Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.
S00001The Senate President, the Presiding Officer, and Senator-Judges of the Impeachment Court.
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The Senate President, the Presiding Officer, and Senator-Judges of the Impeachment Court.
Report correctionAll persons are commanded to keep silent under pain of penalty while the Impeachment Court is in session for the trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.
Report correctionThe impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte is hereby called to order. We shall be led in prayer by Senator-Judge Kiko Pangilinan.
Report correctionIlagay natin ang ating mga sarili sa harap ng Panginoon. Ngayong tatlumpu?t pangalawang araw ng impeachment trial, naway maging gabay nating lahat ang salita ng Diyos mula sa Proverbs 18:5. Hindi mabuting magpakita ng pagkiling sa masama o ipagkait ang katarungan sa matuwid. It is not good to be partial to the wicked and so deprive the innocent of justice. Panginoon Diyos ng katarungan, katotohanan, at katapatan, dalangin namin ang kalinawan ng isip at katatagan ng paninindigan. Tulungan niyo po kaming maging patas ang aming mga pagsusuri sa bawat ebidensya at testigong inihaharap sa impeachment court na ito. Naway maging gabay din ng lahat ang Proverbs 12:22 Namumuhi si Yahweh sa mga taong sinungaling, ngunit ang tapat ay ligaya niya at aliw. The Lord detests lying lips, but He delights in people who are trustworthy. Kalugdan mo o Diyos ang aming inang bayang Pilipinas na uhaw sa katotohanan, katarungan, pananagutan. Look with favor O God, upon our motherland,
Report correctionPhilippines, a nation that thirsts for truth and justice. Amen.
Report correctionRoll call of members. Senator-Judge Aquino, Senator-Judge Cayetano Alan, Senator-Judge Cayetano Pia, Senator-Judge Dela Rosa, Senator-Judge Ejercito, Senator-Judge Estrada, Senator-Judge Go, Senator-Judge Hontiveros, Senator-Judge Lacson, Senator-Judge Lapid, Senator-Judge Legarda, Senator-Judge Marcoleta, Senator-Judge Marcos, Senator-Judge Padilla, Senator-Judge Pangilinan, Senator-Judge Sotto III, Senator-Judge Tulfo Erwin, Senator-Judge Tulfo Raffy, Senator-Judge Villanueva, Senator-Judge Villar Camille, Senator-Judge Villar Mark, Senator-Judge Zubiri, the presiding officer, Senator-Judge Escudero, the Senate President, Senator-Judge Gatchalian.
Report correctionWith 13 senator-judges present, the chair declares the presence of a quorum.
Report correctionIn accordance with the rules of procedure on impeachment trials, the chair now recognizes the duly elected presiding officer to preside over the proceedings of the impeachment court.
Report correctionThank you, Mr. Senate President. If there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the September 29, 2026 Journal of the Senate, sitting as an impeachment court, and shall consider the same as approved.
Report correctionThe Clerk of Court will please read, rather, call the case before the impeachment court.
Report correctionCase number 004-2026 in the matter of impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.
Report correctionGood morning, Your Honor. Same appearance for the prosecution, Your Honor. We are ready.
Report correctionGood morning, Your Honor. Same appearance for the respondent accused.
Report correctionThank you. Good morning, Honorable Luistro. Good morning, Attorney Poa. I hope, like the Senator-Judges, you were able to... Get some rest and respite from the procedural pause that we had yesterday. Yes, what is the pleasure of the Honorable Luistro?
Report correctionWe wish to manifest Your Honor that we will be beginning our presentation with the two LRA witnesses for this morning and in the afternoon, Your Honor, it will be the AMLC Executive Director.
Report correctionAnd tomorrow? So that we can prepare the subpoenas?
Report correctionWe will be manifesting the witness for tomorrow, Your Honor, this afternoon before we adjourn.
Report correctionOkay, but you already submitted a request for subpoena.
Report correctionI believe, Your Honor, that's for the representatives of banks and insurance companies for next week, Your Honor.
Report correctionKindly look into it as well, Honorable Luistro, because we will be having, this is our first whole day trial. Tomorrow will be for one whole day too.
Report correctionI'd rather have more witnesses in line than lacking witnesses and having to adjourn early. So you might want to add more witnesses for tomorrow and deduct it from your Monday witness list.
Report correctionWe will do, Your Honor, before the adjournment today.
Report correctionAfter we resume. After lunch. After we resume, after the lunch recess.
Report correctionMay we just respectfully request from our colleagues in the prosecution panel to just give us the list of the order of their witnesses as to be presented just so, Your Honor, we have fair notice and we are able to prepare for these witnesses.
Report correctionWe will be presenting the two LRA witnesses first, Your Honor.
Report correctionYour Honor, at this juncture, may I respectfully request that my colleague, my co-public prosecutor, Congressman Keith Flores be recognized so that he can address the questions concerning the first witnesses to be presented.
Report correctionOf course, the Honorable Flores is recognized.
Report correctionBut as to our request for the order of witnesses, I hope that will also include...
Report correctionAt least for today, can we get that order? And can we get the order for tomorrow as well as for next week after lunch? Can we have the order for today, Honorable Flores?
Report correctionYes, Your Honor. We will be presenting the two LRA representatives, Your Honor.
Report correctionYes, we will be calling first Attorney Cathy Florence Baldonado, Your Honor.
Report correctionof Davao City, followed by Attorney Pineda of the City of Samal.
Report correctionAnd thereafter, the MLC, if you still have time.
Report correctionAnd then after lunch, we get to hear the sequence for Friday and for Monday.
Report correctionAs well as the other witnesses, they are asking the issuance of a subpoena against... You've received the request for subpoena, Attorney Poa?
Report correctionYes, your honor. We confirmed receipt last night at 8.40 p.m.
Report correctionOkay. We have a fresh start for today then. Attorney, or rather, Honorable Flores, kindly call your first witness. It's Attorney Cathy Florence
Report correctionYour Honor, may I turn over the proceedings to our co-counsel, Attorney Lindon Bacquel, for this witness, Your Honor. Attorney Lindon.
Report correctionWhile we're calling the witness, Attorney Lindon, would you like the Apple box or platform?
Report correctionGood morning, Your Honor. No need, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor.
Report correctionMr. Presiding Officer, my question pertains to the witness, Attorney Trillanes, if he's going to be presented tomorrow? or the day after tomorrow, or I don't know, next week. Is he going to be presented as witness?
Report correctionHonorable Flores, can you respond to the query of the Honorable Tulfo?
Report correctionYour Honor, we will be informing the Court after lunch, Your Honor, once we get our business in order, Your Honor.
Report correctionpa po natin iniisuan ng subpoena ang dating senador na si Senator Sonny Trillanes.
Report correctionBa't napag-usapan na ba na kung siya ay papayagan o hindi?
Report correctionby the court yesterday, given the motion for the issuance of subpoena predicated upon the presentation and evidence of AMLC and or bank records, The court declined to issue the subpoena without prejudice to the prosecution calling him and to appear voluntarily as a witness. However, given the sequence of presentation of the witnesses to be announced by the counsel, rather by the Honorable Flores from the panel of prosecutors, the court may issue that subpoena after it hears the sequence and that it is in order in line with the motion for the request of the subpoena earlier filed.
Report correctionCorrect. Kasi kung kukuning witness si former Senator Trillanes, much better kung mauna muna siya bago ang AMLA. Kasi yung mga sasabihin ni Mr. Trillanes, may kinalaman sa mga bank accounts na kanyang nakalap long time ago. So kung meron siya mga ibubulgar na mga bank accounts, mga pera, pumasok labas sa accounts na nakuha niya sa kanyang source, then after makausap natin si Senator Trillanes, Iko-confirm yun ang AMLA. So dapat mauna muna si Trillanes, Mr. Trillanes, and then AMLA. Hindi pwede yung AMLA and then Trillanes.
Report correctionLet's allow the Prosecutors, Senator-Judge Tulfo, to decide on that after lunch, as they said. Kasi
Report correctionkuminsan, yung prosecution, sorry, pumapalpak-palpak kayo. There are times na naglalagay kayo ng mga witnesses dito na hindi naman kailangan talaga. Nagsasayang lang tayo ng oras. Nakikita naman yung mga senador inaantok. Yung iba pa na yung punta ng CR kasi wala eh. Parang useless eh. Di ba? So kukuha kayo ng witness. Make sure na talaga yung witness na yun. Merong masasabing bagay na makatulong sa ginagawa ng investigasyon dito sa impeachment. [unclear] kinuha na pinagtatawanan tuloy. Napapa-cute lang habang may kinakausap na witness na polis, etc. So, ingat kayo sa pagkukuha ng mga witness at ingat kayo sa pagsasalan ng mga abogado ninyo dyan.
Report correctionWe will take due notice and consider the advice of the Senator-Judge. Thank you very much.
Report correctionThe remarks of the Honorable Tulfo are noted and the Prosecutor shall take it in advisement. Clerk is directed to kindly call and situate to the witness stand, Attorney Kathy Florence M. Baldonado.
Report correctionMa'am, please raise your right hand. You, Cathy Florence M. Baldonado, do swear that the evidence you shall give in the case now pending between the Philippines and Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me God.
Report correctionAttorney Cathy, naunawaan niyo po ang inyong pinanumpaan kaugnay ng pagbigay niyo ng inyong testimonya ngayong umaga sa hukuman ito?
Report correctionSalamat po. Kindly make your offer, Honorable Keith.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Your Honor, the testimony of this witness is offered to prove the following. Number one, that the witness is the Register of Deeds of Davao City. Number two, that based on official records, there is a property covering 379 square meters in Barangay Matina, Davao City, registered under the name of Attorney Manases Carpio, married to Vice President Sara Duterte. Number three, that based on the deed of sale in the official record of the Register of Deeds, the property was purchased at 6 million pesos. 4. Until today,
Report correctionproperty remains to be registered in the name of Atty. Manases Carpio, married to Vice President Sara Duterte, according to the official record of the Registry of Deeds. 5. All other matters relevant to Article 2 on unexplained wealth, false SALNs, and continued business interests. This witness, Your Honor, is one of the several prosecution witnesses who will establish that there were undeclared properties with the Vice President.
Report correctionPero sa ordinaryang Pilipino po, malaking halaga na to ang 6 million pesos.
Report correctionIt is our position that the testimony of Atty. Baldonado is irrelevant, Your Honor, considering that in the articles of impeachment, there's no specific allegation as regards any particular real property which was not... Allegedly not disclosed in any of the SALN of the Vice President, Your Honor. As recently ruled by this honorable court, the impeachment is highly penal in character and thus the Bill of Rights apply in all stages of the proceedings. Without any specific allegations in the articles of impeachment, the presentation of The testimony of a witness would violate the respondent's right to be informed of the nature and cause of the allegations against him, Your Honor. Nonetheless, all the purposes are subject to cross-examination.
Report correctionYour Honor, we clearly mentioned in Article 2, particularly Paragraph B of the Articles of Impeachment, Your Honor, that one of the allegations is that the Vice President failed to disclose in her SALN all of her properties, Your Honor, and that it was impossible for us to have known of this property simply because it was not disclosed in the SALN, Your Honor.
Report correctionYour Honor, the particular portion referred to by the prosecution are mere conclusions, Your Honor, particularly because in the articles of impeachment, the reference was only made to salaries, alleged business interests, and alleged suspicious and covert transactions, Your Honor, without mentioning any particular real property, Your Honor. So it is our position that the testimony of Atty. Baldonado would be irrelevant, Your Honor.
Report correctionThe objection on relevance of Atty. Lindon is duly noted and will likewise note the continuing objection after the Court makes a ruling allowing the testimony of this witness given that the prosecution is not bound to so attach in its complaint or impeachment complaint any and all pieces of evidence it shall be presenting to prove. This particular article on ill-gotten or unexplained wealth. Would you like to note your continuing objection, Atty. Lindon?
Report correctionSo noted. Atty. Keith, Hon. Keith, you may proceed with your witness.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Atty. Baldonado, can you please state your full name and your position for the record?
Report correctionAko po si Atty. Cathy Florence Baldonado, ang kasalukuyang Register of Deeds ng Davao City po.
Report correctionAko po bilang Register of Deeds ay nagre-rehistro o nagtatala po ng mga instrumento, mga dokumento po, or kasulatan regarding po ng mga real properties, particularly ang lupa po. At kami po yung nag-i-issue ng katibayan ng titulo at kami din po yung mga nagsi-safekeep or nagtatago ng mga records kaugnay dito po.
Report correctionCan you tell us why you're here today, Atty. Baldonado?
Report correctionAnd ano naman po ang sinabi ng subpoena na natanggap niya?
Report correctionAng subpoena ko po ay maging witness ngayong araw na ito at meron din pong pinadala sa aking mga dokumento po.
Report correctionSa naaalala ko po, ang hinihingi po ay isang certified true copy at tatlong USB drive ng mga dokumentong hawak ko po.
Report correctionAno po yung mga dokumento specifically na dala ninyo ngayon?
Report correctionIf I may, Your Honor, pwede ko pong tingnan isa-isa yung aking...
Report correctionAng certified true copy po ng Transfer Certificate of Title Bilang 146-2024-010775.
Report correctionofficial receipt ng transfer tax, certification, tax on transfer of real property ownership, ang tax declaration ng land at ng building nito. At ang e-car, pati na rin po itong nakanselang titulo kung saan ang galing itong transfer certificate of title number 146-2024010775.
Report correctionYour Honor, may we ask for copies of the documents brought by the witness?
Report correctionYes. Attorney, Atty. Cathy, yung USB po niyong dala, yung po ang naglalaman, yung mga dokumentong binanggit ninyo?
Report correctionYung hard copy po, yan yung certified true copy?
Report correctionCan you turn over please the USB so that tatlo po ang dala po ninyo?
Report correctionYes, Your Honor. At yung isa po ay naibigay ko na po kanina po sa Clerk of Court.
Report correctionWe will be printing it. Clerk of Court is directed to print the same and immediately furnish a copy to the Counsel for Respondent as well as to the Court. And in the meantime, Attorney Cathy, can you give one copy of the USB to the Counsel for the Respondent, Assistant Counsel for Respondent?
Report correctionSo that they may start perusing it already through their laptop. as well as one USB for the counsel for the panel of prosecutors.
Report correctionLet the documents stay with her so that she can refer to it whenever necessary. You can refer to it, counsel, through perhaps a laptop.
Report correctionBut we are having the documents photocopied already.
Report correctionActually, we're giving copies to both parties now.
Report correctionMay we request our assisting counsel, Attorney Hester, to bring the USB to the tech booth so
Report correctionAssisting counsel may do so. Likewise, continuing authority for assisting counsel of both parties is given throughout the testimony of Attorney Cathy.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Atty. Baldonado, you mentioned earlier that the copies that you brought were certified true copies. How would you know that these are certified true copies?
Report correctionIto pong dala ko ay isang certified true copy. Malalaman po natin ito dahil ito po ay espesyal na papel, sir. Tapos, meron po itong mga security features. Ito po ay eksklusibong ini-issue po ng Land Registration Authority. Meron po itong mga QR code. Halimbawa na po, meron siyang QR code sa itaas at kanang bahagi ng certified true copy. Meron din po itong serial number at barcode sa ilalim na kaliwang bahagi po ng dokumento at meron din po itong mga watermark, sir.
Report correctionthe certified copy of TCT No. 146-2024010775 and all other documents, Your Honor, brought by the witness, be marked as our exhibit numbers P, Roman numeral 2, dash 4, dash 1, and series, Your Honor.
Report correctionSo ordered, but Clerk of Courts shall do it at the proper time, not necessarily now.
Report correctionYes, Your Honor. May we then ask the tech booth, Your Honor, to flash on the screen, Your Honor, TCT number 146-2024010775, Your Honor.
Report correctionto the title, saan po ba located ang property na ito?
Report correctionBase po sa aming record, ito po ay situated in the barrio of Matina, city of Davao, island of Mindanao.
Report correctionBased on the e-car na dala ninyo, ano din po ang nakasabi na location ng property?
Report correctionBase po sa record namin, ang location po ng property na ito ay Huna Subdivision, Matina Crossing, Talomo, Davao City, Davao del Sur po.
Report correctionWould you know if magkaiba ba ang Matina Crossing at barangay Matina? Atty. Baldonado?
Report correctionWould you know if kaiba ba or different ba ang Barangay Matina at Matina Crossing?
Report correctionAng Matina po ay mas malaki po ang area ng Matina po, Sir. Ang Matina Crossing po ay parte ng Matina po.
Report correctionAlright. Now, based on the title, ano naman ang size ng property?
Report correctionSa pangalawang pahina po ng... Title na ito, nakalagay po na ito ay containing an area of 379 square meters more or less po.
Report correctionAnd based on the title, sino naman po ang nakalagay na registered owners ng property?
Report correctionAyon po dito sa record namin, ito ay pagmamayari ng isang nakapangalang attorney Manases R. Carpio, married to Sara Z. Duterte Carpio.
Report correctionOkay, and based on the title, ano naman po ang status ng title na ito?
Report correctionAng status po ng titulong ito ay active po siya, sir.
Report correctionAnd when you say active, ano pong ibig sabihin na active title?
Report correctionAttorney Baldonado, magkano naman po based on the deed of sale ang benta ng property na ito?
Report correctionBase po sa aming record, sir, ang... Ang consideration po dito ay 6 million pesos po.
Report correction6 million pesos. Now, kailan naman po binenta itong property na ito to the spouses, Atty. Manases Carpio and Sara Duterte?
Report correctionOkay now, let's go to the third page of the title. May isang entry dyan. Ano po yung entry na number 2024-018983?
Report correctionBase po sa record namin, may nakalagay po na annotation, real estate mortgage. Basahin ko po ang buong nakasulat, sir.
Report correctionExecuted by Manases Reyes Carpio and Sara Zimmerman Duterte Carpio in favor of Philippine Savings Bank for the sum of 8 million pesos in accordance with doc number 231, page number 48. Book No. 39, Series of 2024 of Notary Public of Davao City, Atty. Cheryl Joy N. Castillo, dated August 27, 2024.
Report correctionSo binili siya ng July for 6 million at minortgage on August 2024, the same year, for 8 million. Tama po ba?
Report correctionBase po dito sa dokumentong pinapakita ko, yes po.
Report correctionMay request that SALN of the Vice President, Mark as our exhibit P-Roman numeral 2-1-1-R for the year 2025 be flashed on the screen, Your Honor.
Report correctionCan the document not be flashed before I lodge my objection, Your Honor?
Report correctionCan we take it down for a while, Honorable Keith?
Report correctionYour Honor, we object on the ground of incompetence, Your Honor, and no basis, Your Honor, considering that the witness would not know anything about the SALN of the Vice President and that the prosecution has yet to lay any foundational or testimonial evidence allowing them to show the SALN, Your Honor.
Report correctionYour Honor, the SALN is a common exhibit for both the prosecution and the defense, Your Honor. We're not asking the witness to testify or analyze what's inside the SALN, Your Honor. All we're asking the witness, Your Honor, is to identify whether or not the details as mentioned in the title and in the deed of sale, Your Honor, are properly reflected in the list of properties that were declared by the Vice President in her SALN, Your Honor. She will not be testifying outside of the four corners of the SALN, Your Honor. She will just say whether or not the details as mentioned earlier are found or can be found. In the SALN of 2025, Your Honor.
Report correctionThe witness, Your Honor, all she has to do is actually say whether or not the details in this title and the deed of sale, Your Honor, can be found or located in the SALN of the Vice President, Your Honor.
Report correctionIf I may, Your Honor, that is not the import of the objection grounded on original document rule. The original document rule, Your Honor, prohibits any inquiry as regards the contents of the document and the only evidence admissible would be the document itself, Your Honor.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. It will be the same document, Your Honor. All we are trying to ask, Your Honor, of the witness is that whether the amount, the date it was purchased, the location of the property that she just mentioned earlier can be found in the declaration. Made by the Vice President herself, Your Honor.
Report correctionHindi ko na alam kung anong tawag dun sa sasabihin mo pa ang Attorney Lindon, pero sige na, bago ako mag-ruling.
Report correctionThen, it's as if, Your Honor, the prosecution would be asking for the interpretation and the analysis of the witness, which would be another ground for objection, Your Honor, violation of opinion rule, Your Honor.
Report correctionThen, allow the court to do it. The SALNs were earlier identified and proven to have been authentic by a previous witness by the counsel for the panel of prosecutors. The SALNs were marked by both parties, duly sworn to by the Vice President, and thus far there is no evidence to show that the Vice President or the respondent has denied or is denying. The SALNs on record, not only before the Office of the Ombudsman but also before this Court. Let the Court abbreviate the proceedings by stating that the Court, the Presiding Officer, has looked into the SALN of the Vice President in 2025 and does not find this particular property as one of the real properties declared because we checked it. Against all of the declarations of the Vice President. In fact, it's not found in previous SALNs too, prior to 2025, for the information and guidance of the senator-judges, that I'm sure you'll also see and find when you compare it. But the objection of Attorney Lindon is duly noted.
Report correctionJust to set the record straight, Your Honor, we respectfully manifest that it would be erroneous for this Honorable Court to find that this property is not included in the SALN of the Vice President, Your Honor. While the property is described in the TCT as located in Matina, Davao City, and it's described in the other document as located in Matina Crossing, Davao City, Your Honor,
Report correctionThen this Honorable Court must take mandatory Judicial Notice of the Geographical Divisions in the Philippines that Matina Crossing is also known as Barangay 7-4-A, Your Honor, which is declared in the SALN.
Report correctionProper subject matter of cross during your time, counsel, but in the meantime, this particular property is not declared as such. I'm allowed the court to specify that and limit its statement. As such, without prejudice to a proper showing, during your time to cross, which property it refers to here, given the, as you said, the geographic location it may have and may be covered in the declared assets here.
Report correctionSubject to that qualification, you may proceed, Honorable Keith.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. May we request our assisting counsel, Your Honor, to... Provide the witness with a copy of the 2025 SALN of the Vice President, Your Honor.
Report correctionAtty. Baldonado, you testified earlier na ang property na ito is located in Matina, Davao City, was purchased in July 2024, registered in the names of the Atty. Manases Carpio, and the Vice President, Sara Duterte, and was acquired for the sum of 6 million pesos.
Report correctionwould like you to go over the SALN of the Vice President, particularly the area which states the real properties of the Vice President.
Report correctioncan you find these details from that document, Atty. Baldonado, that would fit the description? 6 million, Matina, and in the year 2024.
Report correctionafter the witness peruses the document, may the respondent be given a similar time to peruse the SALN being confronted to the witness, Your Honor?
Report correctionBut, if I may, Your Honor, we marked our own documents so we just want to...
Report correctioninstruct your assisting counsel, Attorney Lindon, to... He's there anyway beside the witness. If you may confirm, if the copy that the witness is perusing is the same copy that you have.
Report correctionWhile we're waiting, for the record, for the information of the Senator, judges, and the viewing public as well. The problem with the SALN is that it does not require the actual area to be stated. It only makes mention of the area. Sometimes it's even redacted. So the earlier statement of the chair that it did not find this property exactly is because there is no one-to-one correspondence between what was stated in the TCT and the deed of sale. But the areas are too generic to identify and find out. However, in the 2025 SALN of the Vice President, there is no mention of a sale of a new property to Attorney Manases Carpio in the amount of 6 million. There is a sale made mention here as identified earlier by Attorney Lindon. of a parcel of land in 76A Davao City, but the amount of acquisition is 10 million. And a sale of a property in Dumoy, Davao City, but the acquisition cost is 2 million. So walang one-to-one, unless later on, again, it is explained and shown to us which one it is and if it is one of these. And I think the Register of Deeds will be in a position. to hopefully assist us in this because she would know the area. Kasi di ba meron po kayong mapa sa inyong tanggapan para makita kung ano talaga yung loteng binili ng kada TCT base na rin po sa tax dec?
Report correctionIf I may, Your Honor, ang ano lang po namin is ang aming pong mandato, we are only ministerial, Your Honor. Pag tinignan po namin ang dokumento na kompleto, Amin po itong nire-registro. Hindi po sa lahat ng panahon meron po siyang mapa. Kung buo naman po itong property katulad nito, wala po siyang naka-attach na mapa po.
Report correctionSo ang nakakaalam po ay yung city assessor kung sa kasakali, siya po yung may kompletong mapa?
Report correctionHindi po. Hindi po siya kasama sa jurisdiction po namin.
Report correctionSo, base po sa dokumentong tinitingnan nyo, kaya nyo bang sabihin kung may katapat na lote yan o hindi po?
Report correctionYour Honor, ang tangi ko lang pong maikukumpirma ay kung meron bang nag-match dito sa entries na nakalagay sa SAL-N kung iba base po sa dokumento na nakapresentar. Kung may nagmamatch ba o wala. Pero hindi po ako ang tamang tao na makakadetermine kung nai-declare ba siya o hindi.
Report correctionSo, [unclear]. Wala po kayo nakikitang may biniling lupain ng 6 na milyon base sa deed of sale na hawak niyo?
Report correctionBase po dito sa record na hawak ko, Sir, Your Honor, wala po sa 2024 at... 2025.
Report correctionHindi po mag-appear yan sa 2024, Atty. Cathy, dahil kung yung deed of sale ay 2024, July 2, kailangan po yung i-declare ng 2025, hindi po sa 2024. Pang-2023 po yung 2024.
Report correctionSa presyo at sa lugar po at... Ang mode of acquisition po ang nakalagay po sa 2025 ay construction po. At dito po sa aming dokumento ay deed of sale po.
Report correctionMay nakalagay din po 2024 sale. Kita niyo po yan?
Report correctionOpo. Pero ang purchase price po dito ay wala pong 6 million po, Sir.
Report correctionTen million po at two million po ang nakalagay.
Report correctionE yung lugar po, familiar po ba kayo sa lugar kung pareho o hindi?
Report correctionActually, that will be all for our direct, Your Honor.
Report correctionAttorney Lindon, you want... Do you need time to do your cross to review the sale and the documents? Because we can proceed to the next witness if you're not yet ready to do your cross.
Report correctionYes, Your Honor. We would need time to peruse the documents brought by the witness, Your Honor.
Report correctionIn that case, we will temporarily excuse Attorney Cathy.
Report correctionPansamantala po muna namin kayong ipagpapaliban sa inyong testimonya. Ma'am Cathy, upo muna po kayo doon.
Report correctionYou?re excused, ma'am. To make use of the court's time, we shall proceed with the next witness, the direct examination of the next witness. Atty.
Report correctionAtty. Marco Pineda, kindly situate Atty. Marco Pineda to the witness stand.
Report correctionThe clerk of court through [unclear], so directed.
Report correctionAtty. Cathy, you may... Doon muna po kayo sa holding area para hindi po kayo ma-stress dyan.
Report correctionFor the information of the Council for the Parties, the witness answered to the call of nature for a bit.
Report correctionYes. Can we situate Ms. Atty. Pineda to the witness stand?
Report correctionClerk of Court is directed to administer the oath to the witness.
Report correctionSir, can you raise your right hand? You, Marco K. Pineda. Do swear that the evidence that you shall give in the case now pending between the Philippines and Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me God.
Report correctionthat the testimony of this witness is offered to prove the following, Your Honor. Number one, that the witness is the acting Register of Deeds of the Island Garden City of Samal, Davao del Norte. Number two, that based on official records, there's
Report correctiona property in the Island Garden City of Samal, Davao del Norte with TCT number 142-2019-013-134 registered under the name of Attorney Manases Carpio, married to Vice President Sara Duterte. 3. Based on the deed of sale in the official record of the Registry of Deeds, the property was purchased in 2018 for 3,453,849. 4. Since 2018 until today, the property remains to be registered in the name of Atty. Manases Carpio, married to Vice President Sara Duterte according to the official record of the Registry of Deeds. 5. All other matters relevant to Article 2 on Unexplained Wealth, false SALNs, and continued business interests. This witness also, Your Honor, will testify that some of the properties were not duly declared by the Vice President. Maari pong sabihin na, again, ilang milyong piso lang ito, but para sa iba, malaking mahalaga na po itong 3.4 million pesos, Your Honor.
Report correctionAttorney Lindon, do you want to repeat or simply copy-paste what you said earlier?
Report correctionKindly repeat it for the record, nevertheless.
Report correctionWe just put on record that we adopt the same objection as to relevance and comment as to that the purposes of the offer of the witness is subject to cross-examination, Your Honor.
Report correctionDuly noted and the continuing objection along the same lines of the earlier witness is also Duly noted.
Report correctionHonorable Flores, you may proceed with your direct examination.
Report correctionCan you please state your full name and your position, Atty. Pineda?
Report correctionYes, sir. I am Atty. Marco K. Pineda, Deputy Register of Deeds III, designated presently as the Acting Register of Deeds of the Island Garden City of Samal, concurrently serving as an Assisting Register of Deeds of the Davao City.
Report correctionNow, as Acting Register of Deeds, ano po yung mandate ng Register of Deeds?
Report correctionPag sinasabi pong mandate, nakabatay po yan sa batas, Section 10 po ng Presidential Decree 1529. It is the solemn duty of all Register of Deeds to act as custodians of records pertaining to land titles. Kami po ang ambakan o repositorio ng lahat ng mga titulo at ari-arian personal or real sa Pilipinas. Tsaka tungkulin po namin, Sir, na
Report correctionKung mayroon pong mga dokumentong sinusumite sa aming tanggapan, ito po'y aming tungkulin na suriin kung ito ba'y kompleto. At kung ito po'y kompleto at dumaan sa tamang notaryo at bayad po ang karampatang buwis, ay amin po itong agad-agad bilang ministerial officers na i-rehistro na walang pagkaantala.
Report correctionAno naman po ang area or jurisdiction ng opisina ninyo?
Report correctionAng area po ng Samal po, ang Samal po kasi ay napapailalim sa Batas Public Act 8471 bilang isang component city ng probinsya ng Davao del Norte. Kaya po ang aming tanggapan ay nagkikater sa buong probinsya ng Davao del Norte kasama po rito po ang siyudad ng Tagom, ang siyudad ng Panabo, ang siyudad ng
Report correctionNakatanggap po ako ng subpoena mula po sa kagalanggalang na hukuman na ito.
Report correctionIsinubiti ko po sa clerk of court kaninang umaga. Hindi ko na po masyadong memoriado po ang exact words na nakasulat po roon. If my memory serves me right, it required me to submit All the documents pertaining to that certain title as projected on screen, sir, earlier.
Report correctionAnd dala niyo naman yung titles at saka other documents required of you by the subpoena?
Report correctionMay I be allowed, sir, to get it from my records officer, sir?
Report correctionAgain, assisting counsels from both sides may approach the witness at any point in time that they deem necessary.
Report correctionIn the meantime, the court is instructing the clerk of court through the OSAA to furnish hard copies of what's contained in the USB and what the witness is referring to at the moment.
Report correctionPlease proceed. By the way, apologies. Would you rather refer... How do you want to be referred to? John or Keith or...
Report correctionAttorney Pineda, what type of copies did you bring today?
Report correctionSunod ko lang po to the letter po yung nakasulat po sa subpoena testificandum, at saka duces tecum. Nakalagay po rin, that I have to bring with me before this honorable court, three USB flash drives copy of all the documents. At the same time, one certified true copy of all the documents pertaining to this case, for your honor.
Report correctionMay I ask you, honor, if the defense is willing to stipulate that these are certified true copy so that we don't have to go through questioning them about...
Report correctionKindly, so the... Assisting Council, kindly inspect the copies if they are certified.
Report correctionSir, Your Honor, the office is under the so-called PHILARIS system. This is the Philippine Land Registration Utilization Titling System. So all register of deeds across the island issues this special paper. as proof of its being the repository of custodians of all titles in the Philippines.
Report correctionSo that this machine produced need not be signed by anyone?
Report correctionYes, sir, as it is already apparent on the face of the CTC, sir. There is that wording there.
Report correctionThis is the tax declaration, for example, Your Honor, tax declaration of real property. On the bottom portion, and I quote, It is hereby certified that this is a true electronic copy on file in the Registry of Deeds of the Province of Davao del Norte. It consists of one pages, pages, quote-unquote, S. This is a system-generated certified true copy and does not require manually affixed signature printed at the Registry of Deeds of the Province of Davao del Norte. Requested by Atty. Marco K. Pineda po.
Report correctionAtty. Marco, do you need to stipulate or will the court issue? Yes, Atty. Lindon.
Report correctionWe can stipulate that the documents are certified copies, Your Honor.
Report correctionOkay. So stipulated. Thank you, Atty. Lindon. You may proceed, Atty. John.
Report correctionThank you, Atty. I'll say thank you, sir. At this point, Your Honor may request that the documents be respectively marked as exhibits numbers P-Roman numeral 2-4-2 and series, Your Honor.
Report correctionGranted, so ordered, but at a later time by the Clerk of Court.
Report correctionMay we then ask the Tech Booth, Your Honor, to please flash on the screen TCT No. 142-2019-013134.
Report correctionThe Tech is so authorized to flash before the screen the requested document.
Report correctionwe know, Your Honor, if the defense is also willing to stipulate on the title to abbreviate the proceedings?
Report correctionSo, I have several things to offer, Your Honor, so that we can abbreviate things. That the size
Report correctionof the property is 751 square meters as stated by the title. Will you stipulate?
Report correctionJust a moment, Your Honor. We're just perusing the title here.
Report correctionWill the defense stipulate that the registered owners of the property are Atty. Manases Carpio, married to the Vice President, Sara Duterte.
Report correctionYes, Your Honor. We stipulate that that is how it's described in the title, Your Honor.
Report correctionAnd that the property is situated in Matanos, Island Garden City of Samal.
Report correctionWe can stipulate that it's how it's stated in the title, Your Honor.
Report correctionAnd that from the deed of sale, the property was bought by the spouses for the sum of 3,458,849 pesos, Your Honor.
Report correctionWe will just peruse the deed of sale, Your Honor.
Report correctionWe can stipulate, Your Honor, that as annotated in the said title, the amount is 3,453,849 pesos, Your Honor.
Report correctiontitle says that the property is situated in Matanos Island, Garden City of Samal. The deed of sale however, says that it's a Kembali Resort where
Report correctionIs Kembali Resort in Matanos Island, Garden City of Samal.
Report correctionAs appearing in the transfer certificate of title on the face of the said title, Your Honor, sir, it reads, reads, The land situated in Matanos Island, Garden City of Samal, Province of Davao del Norte, Philippines. End of quote.
Report correctionAnd when was the property purchased by the spouses based on the deed of sale?
Report correctionAs appearing on the face of the said CTC copy of the deed of absolute sale, sir, it reads, and I quote, March 15, 2018 po.
Report correction2018. At this point, may request from the defense counsels kasi they got a copy of the sale. Pabalik lang po. There.
Report correctionThank you. So ang property is binili noong 20 March 2018 and it's situated in Matanos Island, Garden City of Samal by the spouses, Atty. Manases Carpio, married to Vice President Sara Duterte for the sum of 3,458,849,000. Tama po ba Atty. Pineda?
Report correctionSorry, I mentioned 8. Ako pala ang mali. Sorry. Now, we're showing to you the SALN of the Vice President for the year 2025.
Report correctionWe raised the same objection as to incompetence, lack of foundation, and violation of the opinion rule and relevance, Your Honor.
Report correctionSame ruling of the court. In fact, allow the court once again. Atty.
Report correctionMarco, sa anong year binili po yung property? 2018, [unclear]?
Report correction2019 SALN ng ikalawang Pangulo, may nakalagay po doon na Barangay Aundanao, Igakos.
Report correctionNakikita niyo po ba yan sa 2019 Sal-N niya? Kindly show the 2019 Sal-N to the witness.
Report correctionApologies, Your Honor, I cannot read what's projected on screen.
Report correctionExactly. The Presiding Officer is asking the Assisting Counsel to kindly show the 2019 SALN of the Vice President.
Report correctionWe'll provide him with the 2019 SALN, Your Honor.
Report correctionMay nakalagay po dyan sa bandang gitnang baba.
Report correctionTatlong property. Yung isa't nakalagay puro Aundanao. Ano po ba ang pronunciation ng itong barangay na ito? Atty.
Report correctionAundanao. Atty. Marco? Aundanao ba ang pronunciation po dyan?
Report correctionAundanao. Tatlo po ang properties na nakalagay sa bandang kalahating baba na parte ng SALN.
Report correctionAundanao-IGACOS 2016 sale, Aundanao-IGACOS 2019 sale, Aundanao-IGACOS 2019 sale.
Report correctionDoon sa 2019 sale, may nakalagay po na dalawang 1,000,000 at dalawang tag-500,000 sa kabuhang halaga na 3,000,000.
Report correctionMeron po ba kayo nakikitang tumutugma dito sa 3.453 million na deed of sale kaugnay sa pagbili ng lupa dyan sa Aundanao, IGACOS?
Report correctionYour Honor, [unclear]. Your Honor, ako po ay custodian ng land titles. Hindi po kami custodian po ng SALN po.
Report correctionOpo, pero ang tanong ko po, meron po bang katumbas o tumutugmang halaga dyan sa nakikita nyo?
Report correctionI can only read what is strictly written on the paper, Sir, Your Honor, and does not match the deed of sale.
Report correctionNow, yung deed of sale ba, dalawang lote ba yung binenta o isa lang?
Report correctionInsofar as this title is concerned, there is only one, Your Honor.
Report correctionThere is only one parcel of land, not two parcels of land.
Report correctionYour Honor, just for the record, may we know what year of SALN is the document?
Report correctionDuring your cross, Attorney Lindon, you can clarify this matter on the part of the court.
Report correctionAttorney Pineda. So, based on the... Three identifiers na sinabi namin. The amount, the location, and the year it was bought. May mahanap ka bang entry dyan sa salen na yan?
Report correctionYes, sir. I can only read what strictly appears on the document. I cannot draw conclusions, sir.
Report correctionon that premise, nothing in this salen perfectly matches the DOAS sale, sir.
Report correctionSo there's nothing in the title that would say that the property was purchased by Atty. Manassas Carpio, the Vice President, in the year 2018 for the sum of 3,453,849 for a property that is located in Barangay Matanos, Island Garden, City of Samal.
Report correctionquestion, Your Honor, was that I was just asking Atty. Pineda whether or not he could find an entry in the SALN that would reflect a deed of property that was bought. It's located in Matanos Island, Garden City of Samal in the year 2018 for the sum of 3,453,849 [unclear].
Report correctionYour Honor, for the end time, I will reiterate my position and my statement that I can only read what is patent on the paper, sir. That is because I'm a ministerial officer. Subject to that qualification,
Report correctionsubject to that qualification to your answer, Atty. Marco, you may respond.
Report correctionYes, Your Honor. I can read here, agricultural land located at Barangay Undanaw, Igacos, land area 2700, rather
Report correctionclassified as agricultural, Barangay Undanaw, IGaCoS, land, land, 2019, mode of acquisition, sale, valued at 1 million, land, 2019 sale, also sold, valued at 1 million, land, agricultural, Barangay Undanaw, IGaCoS, land, 2019 sale, 500,000, 2 entries, 500,000.
Report correctionNothing matches the land described in the deed of absolute sale dated 2018, sir.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Now, ano ang status ng title na ito? Ito ang TCT number 142-2019-013134.
Report correctionapparent on the face of the title, transfer certificate of title, sir, it is uncanceled, it is active.
Report correctionSo when you say it's an active title, what does it mean?
Report correctionIt means that it is... Still the same title, it reflects because we adhere to the so-called mirror principle. All the details as reflected on the face of the title ay sumasalamin po sa lahat ng legal na detalye, interes hinggil sa lupa.
Report correctionDo you want to do your cross with this witness, First Lieutenant Lindon, or the first witness?
Report correctionYour Honor, can we request to, can we be allowed to do the cross after lunch, Your Honor, so that we can prepare the necessary visuals?
Report correctionWe can again call for an early lunch. The only question is if the food is already available because the last time it was not.
Report correctionAre there any Senator-Judges who wishes to make interjections to this witness?
Report correctionWe're trying to make use of the time so if you can make your interjections now, it would be preferred unless they are not yet ready.
Report correctionSo, it'll be brunch then. I hope the food is ready. We shall convene.
Report correctionIn preparation to the prosecution's presentation of the AMLC Director, Executive Director, Your Honor, we just want to put on record that the witness sent copy of the summaries prepared by them to the Honorable Impeachment Court, including the parties. and they will be part of the presentation of this witness, Your Honor. That is, in order not to delay the presentation on matters concerning the summaries, we wish to put on record that including the defense, I believe, was sent copy of this summaries, Your Honor. And for purposes of the records, we wish to enumerate this summaries prepared and submitted by AMLC. This includes the summary of covered transaction reports and suspicious transaction reports submitted by the Anti-Money Laundering Council to the Senate Impeachment Court. Second, Your Honor, is the summary of all CTRs and CTRs involving 15 juridical persons from 2007 to 2025. The third, Your Honor, is all CTRs and STRs involving Vice President Sara Z. Duterte and Attorney Manassas R. Carpio, likewise from 2022 or from 2022 to 2025. The fourth summary, Your Honor, is all CTRs and STRs involving the 15 juridical persons from 2022 to 2025. The fifth, Your Honor, CTRs and STRs pertaining to inward remittances. to Cale88 Foods Corporations from China, and B, other countries. And for the last summary, Your Honor, CTRs and STRs involving insurance policies and investment-related transactions. We wish to seek confirmation from the defense that they received copy of the summaries from the AMLC, Your Honor.
Report correctionmorning, Your Honor. Unfortunately, Your Honor, we have not received any of the documents mentioned by the lead prosecutor, Your Honor. I just checked my email now and I don't see any email coming from the AMLC or the prosecution. I was also informed that we haven't also received yet. Any hard copies, Your Honor. In fact, this is the first time that we're hearing of these summaries. The
Report correctionclerk is directed to obtain a copy from the prosecution and furnish the counsel for respondent a copy in accordance with the court's earlier ruling that any summaries that a witness that will be presented will be identifying should be furnished. Counsel for respondent and the opposing party. As the case may be. So ordered.
Report correctionAnything else, Attorney? Honorable Luistro, rather?
Report correctionYour Honor. Since we are concluding early for our morning trial, I would like to proceed to our manifestation which we are supposed to make after lunch, Your Honor, if the court will allow.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. First, Your Honor, the prosecution has finally decided not to present former Senator Sonny Trillanes. We seek the kind indulgence of the Honorable Impeachment Court for the belated final position on this particular concern. Second, Your Honor, pursuant to the directive of the Honorable Impeachment Court, we are respectfully submitting The order of presentation of witnesses as follows. For October 2, Friday, that is tomorrow, Your Honor, we anticipate the continuation of presentation of the AMLC Executive Director. We lament, Your Honor, that we have no other witness to be presented tomorrow. Thus, we will be constrained to move for the deferment of presentation. Should the AMLC Executive Director conclude early his presentation on Friday?
Report correctionSo we only have one witness for tomorrow and if at all that will be the continuation of the testimony of the AMLC Director.
Report correctionThat is correct, Your Honor. To continue, Your Honor, for Monday, October 5, we will be presenting the BIR and for Tuesday, October 6, we will be presenting the representatives of banks and insurance companies. And it is in this light, Your Honor, that we respectfully reiterate our request for issuance of subpoena to BIR as well as the representatives of banks and insurance companies.
Report correctionInsofar as the banks are concerned, do you have a sequence already, Honorable Luistro? You have here seven banks. Is it, will it be as it appears in your request for subpoena?
Report correctionWe intend, Your Honor, to present them on Tuesday. On Monday, Monday
Report correctionTuesday, Your Honor, or Monday, if the BIR will conclude early.
Report correctionIn the same order, Your Honor, as mentioned in the request, Your Honor. So,
Report correctionfor the record and for the information of counsel-respondent, the order shall be after AMLC, BIR, on Monday. And then, insofar as the banks are concerned, Land Bank, Asia United Bank, Philippine Savings Bank, Metro Bank, BPI, PNB, and finally, BDO.
Report correctionAnd for the insurance companies, Honorable Luistro, also in the same order that they appear in your request for subpoena?
Report correctionSo for the record, that will be Prudential Life, Allianz,
Report correctionManufacturers Life, FWD Life, BPI-AIA Life, BDO Securities, and BDO Life. In that order. Would that be correct, Honorable Luistro?
Report correctionChair, hereby grants the request for the issuance of subpoena, duces tecum, and ad testificandum to the BIR as well as the banks and insurance companies named In the request for subpoena with a caveat or change that it shall be for Monday and Tuesday, October 5 and 6.
Report correctionTo be certain that we have enough time for all of these. So ordered.
Report correctionYes, Attorney Sheila is recognized before the Honorable Senator Judge Sotto.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Just the two items. Just to clarify,
Report correctionWill the prosecution no longer present the former Senator Trillanes completely? Which means that they will no longer or they have removed him from their list of witness or are they just deferring on the presentation of the former Senator?
Report correctionAs manifested already, Your Honor, we will no longer be presenting the former Senator Sonny Trillanes.
Report correctionSo they will now drop this particular witness, Your Honor?
Report correctionsecond item, Your Honor, may we also ask the prosecution if they can provide us copies of any summaries or other documents that the witnesses for the Insurance Commission and BIR as well as the banks. Would identify so that we'll have ample time to examine them. Based
Report correctionon the earlier ruling of the court, yes, the court will grant that request of Attorney Sheila, kindly furnished as you did with AMLC, Honorable Luistro. We
Report correctionAny summaries that the witnesses may present during their testimony ahead of time.
Report correctionThank you, Mr. Presiding Officer, Mr. President. Thank you. Just some trivia questions for Attorney Pineda, if you don't mind. Anyway, we have time.
Report correctionYes, please. You may proceed, Senator Judge Sotto. You have two minutes.
Report correctionYour Register of Deeds of the Island Garden City of Samal.
Report correctionYour Honor, I am merely the Acting Register of Deeds of the Island Garden City.
Report correctionActing Register of Deeds. How long have you been in the Samal City?
Report correctionDid you know that Samal City used to have three municipalities and no city?
Report correctionAnyway, the island of Samal used to be three municipalities.
Report correctionIt was converted into one city after convincing the three mayors and all the register of deeds people then to make it into one island garden city of Samal in 1998. Just as I said, it's just a trivia. Did you know who made the city of island garden of city of Samal?
Report correctionYou're correct. Thank you. I have no more questions, Mr. President.
Report correctionFollowing the footsteps of Senator-Judge Sotto, Sorsogon did the same thing. We merged two towns to form the city of Sorsogon and we relied on the Supreme Court decision in the island city of Samal that said that you can actually merge and create at the same time in one law. and that it will not violate the one subject matter that should be contained in the Title Rule found in the Constitution. And both laws were declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. So anyway, we shall pause for lunch. We shall resume at 12.30 with the first witness earlier presented, Attorney Baldonado of the City of Davao. You are excused and kindly partake of lunch. Atty. Marco.
Report correctionKindly situate Atty. Cathy to the witness stand.
Report correctionThe clerk of court through the sergeant at arms is so directed.
Report correctionI'm assuming you have a cross right, Atty. Lindon?
Report correctionHindi kasi kung wala, hindi ko na papaupuin si Atty. Cathy.
Report correctionAtty. Cathy, naunawaan niyo po na patuloy kayong tetestigo basis sa nauna po niyong pinanumpaan kaninang umaga.
Report correctionKindly answer, ma'am, so that we can have it on record.
Report correctionAttorney Lindon, your witness. You may proceed with your cross when you're ready.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Good afternoon, ma'am. Good
Report correctionAnd you are also the Register of Deeds for Davao City?
Report correctionAnd you are testifying here in that capacity, ma'am?
Report correctionThe Registry of Deeds is the public repository of records or instruments affecting registered lands, tama po?
Report correctionIt has also the duty to immediately register an instrument for registration dealing with real property, tama po?
Report correctionProvided po na na-comply nila lahat ng requirements for
Report correctionthe public repository of records of lands, ma'am, The title you identified is public correct?
Report correctionAnd anyone can request for a copy of that title?
Report correctionThe requesting person does not need to be the owner of that property correct?
Report correctionHe does not need to have an interest over that property correct?
Report correctionYou are also aware that before a title may be transferred to another person or may be issued
Report correctionHe or she must submit a certificate authorizing registration regarding payment of transfer taxes from the Bureau of Internal Revenue, real property tax clearance from the local government unit concerned, and proof of payment of transfer taxes. Correct ma'am?
Report correctionThese are the requirements so that your office knows that the proper taxes have been paid. Correct ma'am?
Report correctionAnd you would not transfer a title or issue a title without submission of these requirements, correct?
Report correctionOkay. And in the title you identified, it was issued to Manassas R. Carpio, correct?
Report correctionOkay. The Registry of Deeds, ma'am, is not the repository of SALNs of any public official or employee, correct?
Report correctionOkay. So you would not have any personal knowledge on the listed assets in any of the SALNs of the Vice President?
Report correctionYou would not have any personal knowledge on the listed liabilities in any of the SALNs of the Vice President. Tama po? You would not have any personal knowledge on the listed net worth in any of the Vice President SALNs. Tama po?
Report correctionOkay. You would also not have any personal knowledge on the financial and business interests listed in any of the Vice President SALNs.
Report correctionYou would not know if any of the Vice President SALNs Need any correction, ma'am?
Report correctionyou cannot testify on the completeness or incompleteness of the disclosure in the SALN because you have no personal knowledge. Tama po?
Report correctionYung title po na in-identify niyo kanina, ito po, issued noong July 26, 2024. Tama po?
Report correctionOpo, base po sa aming record. July 26, 2024.
Report correctionTapos yung parcel of land na naka-describe po dyan sa property is nakalagay located in Matina, Davao City. Tama po ma'am?
Report correctionGano'n na po kayo katagal na register of deeds sa Davao City?
Report correctionOkay. So you would know ma'am na ang Matina Crossing is also known as Barangay 748. Alam niyo po yun?
Report correctionIn that light, Your Honor, may we just reiterate our earlier manifestation that this honorable court can take mandatory judicial notice of the geographical divisions in the Philippines, particularly that Matina Crossing is also known or officially known as Paranggay 748, Your Honor.
Report correctionYour Honor, we'd like to make a counter-manifestation, Your Honor.
Report correctionWe'd like to make a counter-manifestation also. Kindly
Report correctionHonor, Matina is a general area and it comprises of several barangays, Your Honor. So, we'd just like to put that
Report correctionThe court will look into it with the permission of Attorney Lindon.
Report correctionI'm showing you tax declarations pertaining to the transfer certificate of title which you identified.
Report correctionDo you have two... Tax declarations, ma'am. Dalawa po yung hawak nyo.
Report correctionYou would confirm, ma'am, that the tax declarations na hawak mo pertain to the same TCT number.
Report correctionNakalagay po dyan yung TCT number. You may refer to it, ma'am.
Report correctionMay we know, Your Honor, if this is a separate document from that which was produced by the witness?
Report correctionIt is a separate document, Your Honor. It is the more recent tax declaration, Your Honor.
Report correctionSo you're showing the witness a tax declaration?
Report correctionobjecting, Your Honor, to any question related to this particular document. Because this is not one of the documents that was presented by... The witness in this fact a document that has not been identified nor authenticated by any witness whatsoever, Your Honor.
Report correctionYour Honor, with due respect to the prosecution, the cross covers any relevant matter. And since the witness identified a particular TCT, then we can confront her with documents related to that particular title, Your Honor.
Report correctionSorry, Your Honor. That tax declaration did not come with the documents presented by the witness, Your Honor. Therefore, she could not be confronted with that document, Your Honor.
Report correctionthey want to present that tax declaration, Your Honor, they should present their own witness who will be able to identify and authenticate that tax declaration, Your Honor.
Report correctionAside from covering relevant matters, Your Honor, cross-examination also covers all facts bearing an important, bearing significance in the case, Your Honor.
Report correctionSo this is, we submit, this is an important fact which can be elicited.
Report correctionWith the indulgence of Attorney John, the court will allow it, proper subject matter for cross, to confront the witness with this document, if she knows, of course.
Report correctionMay we ask to inspect first the document, Your Honor?
Report correctionYou have assisting counsel there to look at the copy?
Report correctionCan you confront the witness with that extra copy while the prosecution is perusing the document so that you may proceed with your cross-examination?
Report correctionCan you proceed, Atty. Cathy? You were asked, yung tax declaration po ba na yan ay tumutugma o ang tinutukoy ay yung TCT na binanggit niyo kanina?
Report correctionMakikita niyo po sa tax declaration, typical na tax declaration sa registradong lupa, yung TCT number sa bandang kaliwang bahagi.
Report correctionMay we just request the tech, your honor, to flash the tax declaration?
Report correctionKindly flash it on the screen, please. The clerk of court and the tech is so directed.
Report correctionYes, sir. Base po dito sa ibinigay niyong dokumento, ang nakalagay po na TCT. ay 146-2024010-775 na nagtutugma po sa titolong naka-certify po sa aming records.
Report correctionJust to clarify ma'am, yung hawak niyo pong tax declaration pertains to tax declaration over the land and tax declaration over the building, tama po?
Report correctionOkay. Ma'am, do you confirm that the declared market value of the land is 1,864,680 pesos?
Report correctionWe object, Your Honor. Again, the witness is incompetent to testify on the matter, Your Honor. They should be presenting the city assessor, Your Honor, who will be testifying on that tax declaration.
Report correctionShe's being asked only as to the contents of the document, not as to the accuracy or truth of the same. Witness may answer.
Report correctionTama ma'am. Ang nakalagay na declared market value ng land is 1,864,680 pesos.
Report correctionIpagpaumanin niyo po sir. Ang akin po is hindi po ito nagagaling sa aming record so hindi po ako maka... Kung ipapabasa niyo lang
Report correctionYour Honor, she already answered that she's incompetent to testify.
Report correctionBased on the record, what you read in the document anyway?
Report correctionYour Honor, the witness agreed to confirm the contents of the tax declaration. We confronted her by reading the same, Your Honor.
Report correctionThe witness likewise manifested, Your Honor, that she is incompetent to testify on this matter.
Report correctionBut the witness may read what the document is stating in front of her. Just to get over this, Attorney,
Report correctionKathy, kindly read what is the market value contained in the tax declaration.
Report correctionAng market value po na nakikita ko dito ay ang nakalagay 1,864,680 pesos po sa land.
Report correctionOkay, that's my next question. What's the declared market value? You confirmed that the declared market value of the building is 6,992,847 pesos and 80 centavos, ma'am. You confirm po?
Report correctionOkay. You also confirm ma'am that the assessed value of the land is 82,04... 82,046 pesos. Assessed value ng land.
Report correctionWell, in your experience, in every sale of real property, transfer taxes must be paid, tama po?
Report correctionTapos may bayad din po yung pag-register ng instrument sa inyo?
Report correctionOkay. May bayad din po yung proseso ng pag-transfer ng title sa inyo, tama po?
Report correctionOkay. Tapos, only if you can answer, ma'am, every sale of property entails surveying the lot na bibilin. Tama po? In your experience lang, ma'am, kasi familiar kayo sa dealings with your property.
Report correctionI'm now gonna show you the 2024 SALN of the Vice President.
Report correctionI direct your attention to page 3, line 6 of the 2024 SALN.
Report correctionDo you confirm ma'am that there is a Barangay 7-4A Davao City property?
Report correctiondo you also confirm na ang nakalagay na... Cost of acquisition is 10 million.
Report correctionDo you also confirm na ang nakalagay na assessed value is 82,046 pesos?
Report correctionOkay. And kapareho po ito nung binanggit nyo kaninang assessed value na nakalagay sa tax declaration ng lupa. Tama po?
Report correctionOkay. Basahin nyo po ulit yung nakalagay na tax declaration sa land. Pareho po ng amount. Pareho po
Report correctionPareho po ng amount. At you confirm din ma'am na nakalagay ito sa SALN ng VP sa portion under her spouse or kay Mr. Manassas R. Carpio.
Report correctionAt yung titulo po ulit, tatanungin ko lang po ulit, nakalapangalan po kay Manassas R. Carpio. Tama po?
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Just a few questions for redirect.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Atty. Cathy, ang assessed value is given on a property based on the area it's situated, correct?
Report correctionSo yung magkalapit na properties, even if they're not the same property, would most likely have the same assessed value?
Report correctionWitness already answered that she would not be in a position to answer.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Now, you testified earlier na itong portion na pina-identify ni Atty. Lindon sa inyo ay hindi katugma doon sa deed of sale na dala ninyo. Tama po ba? Kasi ang amount of acquisition cost sa deed of sale na dala ninyo is only 6 million pesos.
Report correctionang kinuturo niyang property sa cross niya is ang acquisition cost is 10 million pesos.
Report correctionBase po sa Deed of sale at saka SALN na pinakita po.
Report correctionSo sa experience niyo po as register of deeds, di ba usually nilalagay nila yung lower amount ang iba to avoid paying taxes, di ba?
Report correctionYung ibang bumibili ng property, nilalagay nila ang lower amount para iwasan ang pagbayad ng tamang buwis. Tama po ba?
Report correctionYes, you may proceed, Attorney Lindon. Thereafter, we shall proceed with the interjection of Senator-Judges.
Report correctionEarlier, ma'am, you confirmed that the declared market value of the land is 1,864,680 and that the declared market value of the building based on the instrument you were confronted with is 6,992,847 pesos and 80 pesos. Correct?
Report correctionNo, I'm just as attorney. I'm just playing the predicate for my question.
Report correctionYes. Do you confirm that those were the amounts? The amounts I read are correct?
Report correctionCorrect. And you confirmed that the total declared market value of both the land and the building is around 8,800,000.
Report correctionAnd earlier, during my cross, you also testified that other fees must be paid for every sale or purchase of property, correct? You remember saying that?
Report correctionWe won't let go of this witness if there are any interjections. If there are none, then that's
Report correctionthe only time we will excuse the witness so that she doesn't have to come back to the witness stand.
Report correctionThe Senate President is recognized for his interjection.
Report correctionInterjection. You have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready.
Report correctionThank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Madam Witness, itong tinitignan ko ngayon yung TCT.
Report correctionItong pinakita nyo kanina, Ito ay nakapangalan na kay Atty. Manassas. Tama. Yung pinakita niyo po kanina sa amin.
Report correctionOpo, nakapangalan po ito sa isang Atty. Manassas R. Carpio. Married to Sara Z. Duterte-Carpio.
Report correctionAnd then, na-transfer to sa kanya July of 2024. Tama po ba?
Report correctionBilang RD, bilang Register of Deeds, ibig ba sabihin nito, nung July of 2024, siya na ang may-ari nitong lupang ito? Officially?
Report correctionAs between the parties po, sir. As between the parties, sila na po ang may-ari. But ang purpose po ng registration is to bind third persons. Itong titulo po.
Report correctionPero base dito sa titulo, Si Atty. Manases na ang may-ari nitong lupang ito. Tama. By July 26, 2024.
Report correctionTinitignan ko ulit itong titulo. Ano ang exact address nito? Anong barangay? Anong street?
Report correctionDahil nakasulat dito Barrio Matina, City of Davao, Island of Mindanao. Pero ano yung current exact address niya?
Report correctionBase po dito sa kanyang tax declaration at saka sa e-car, pati
Report correctiondin po sa kanyang tax clearance, ang particular po na address nito ay Huna Subdivision, Matina Crossing, Talomo.
Report correctionAng sa iyong, kasi narinig ko kanina, one year ka na sa Davao. So, most likely, kabisado mo na yung mga barangays doon.
Report correctionAlam ko malaki nga. But merong barangay Matina, Crossing, Tolomo?
Report correctionYan bang address na yan ay hindi nakalagay yan sa TCT?
Report correctionHindi po. Ang nakalagay po sa TCT ay Barrio of Matina, City of Davao.
Report correctionSo saan nakalagay yung Matina Crossing, Barangay Matina Crossing para maging official siyang address?
Report correctionDito po sa kanyang e-car. Gaya po nang sabi ko kanina sa kanyang e-card po, real property tax clearance at tax declaration po. Sa
Report correctiontax declaration. Pag nakalagay doon, ibig sabihin, official address na ito. Yan yung kanyang official address na gagamitin. Dahil hindi ko siya makita sa tax declaration.
Report correctionSila na nagtataks ba? Pero kinoconsider na kayo bilang Register of Deeds yung Barangay Matina Crossing as the official address of this particular TCT.
Report correctionTumatanggap lang naman po kami ng dokumento. Hindi po kami nag-nagdi-determine kung saan po talaga. Kasi ito pong...
Report correctionKasi ang punto ko is paano natin malaman kung yung TCT at yung Barangay Matina Crossing na binanggit nyo ay... One in the same property. Yun ang pinupuntokon. Dahil nasa ibang dokumento yung barangay Matina Crossing.
Report correctionGanito po kasi yan, sir. Itong barrio of Matina, City of Davao, mas broad po siya kasi ito po yung nakalagay sa kanyang original na pagpaparehistro and hindi po ito pwedeng i-alter without court order. So habang ano po... Kaya po yung particular po talaga na address is makikita mo na doon sa mga supporting documents which is ito pong e-car, tax declaration, at saka real property tax clearance po.
Report correctionAnd lahat yun ang sinasabi, itong particular TCT, ang kanyang barangay is Barangay Matina Crossing, Tolomo.
Report correctionThank you, Mr. Senate President. Senator Judge Villanueva for his interjections. You may proceed, sir, when you're ready. You
Report correctionVery quickly, Madam Witness, from a registry standpoint, does the phrase married to by itself establish that property is owned jointly by both parties?
Report correctionHindi po kami nag-a-assume kung ano po ang kanilang property regime na ano po sir.
Report correctionHindi po kami nag-a-assume kung ano po ang property regime ng parties po. Ang kinokopya po namin dito sa paglagay ng pangalan is kung ano po ang nakalagay sa deed of absolute sale. Kaya ang nakalagay po dito sa deed of absolute sale... Atty. Manassas R. Carpio of legal age, Filipino, married to Sara Z. Duterte-Carpio. So yun po ang inilagay dito. But ministerial po ang aming duty, i-re-register lang po namin kung ano po ang nakalagay sa dokumento.
Report correctionMarried to? VP Sara. Dun sa George versus Marcelo kasi ng Supreme Court explained the phrase married to appearing beside a registered owner's name may simply describe civil status and does not by itself prove co-ownership or the property's conjugal community property. Gusto nating malaman dito sa pagdinig na ito kasi relevant ba under Article 2 because the court is examining the respondent's own assets and financial conduct. While yung title na na-identify natin ngayon by the subpoena is registered to her spouse. So ang tanong ko po, Madam Witness, mayroon bang document personally signed by VP Sara dito sa dokumento na hiniharap niyo ngayon?
Report correctionBase po dito sa dokumentong ibinigay po sir, ang deed of sale po ay pinirmahan ng vendor na si Cynthia Basilio Madelo at attorney Manassas R. Carpio bilang vendee po. Hindi po pumirma ang kanyang asawa po.
Report correctionMeron po bang nakalagay dito that the respondent, si VP Sara, pay any portion of the purchase price or does it merely reflect consent or acknowledgement as a spouse? Meron po ba?
Report correctionTinatanong ko po yan kasi importante na ma-distinguish being named as buyer or grantee from merely signing as a consenting spouse because those acts do not...
Report correctionLast question. Do the documents retained by the Registry of Deeds identify who actually paid the purchase price for this property and where the funds came from?
Report correctionPapakiulit po yan? Ano pong ibig na sabihin?
Report correctionUlitin ko po yung tanong. Dito po sa mga dokumento na ito na nasa registry of deeds, ina-identify po ba sino yung nagbayad o bumili, yung purchase price for this property, at kung saan po nang galing yung salapi na pambili dito.
Report correctionHindi po, nakabase lang po kami sa deed of conveyance which is yung deed of absolute sale po.
Report correctionAt kung meron pong mortgage deed or other registered instrument, does that document establish the actual source and the movement of the purchase funds?
Report correctionMinisterial na naman kami sir, so kung, your honor, kaya kung...
Report correctionAnd the court still need, ito yung gusto kong puntuhin, does the court still need... Bank records, probably seller records, loan disbursement records. Kaya po, sa tingin ko po, mas magandang makita talaga yung bank records, company bank records, at doon makikita po natin kung talagang ito ay nagpo-fall doon sa Article 2 na ating pinag-uusapan ngayon. Maraming salamat po, Madam Witness. Thank you.
Report correctionIf there are no other senator or judges who wishes to make interjections, briefly on the part of the presiding officer, Atty. Cathy, assessor's office po ang may hawak ng tax map ng buong siyudad, hindi po ba? Would you know?
Report correctionHindi ba magkatabi lang halos yung opisina niyo? Madalas magkatabi yan, di ba?
Report correctionUsually kasi, hindi ba, may mapa? Ang assessor's office, nakalagay doon yung mga tax deck number o TCT number ng kada parsela ng lupa para malaman nila kung sino yung sisingilin, di ba, ng real property tax, hindi po ba?
Report correctionpo yung makakaalam kung sakasakali ng alin-alin ba talaga to.
Report correctionSo yung tax deck na pinakita sa inyo kanina, na nakalagay doon yung TCT number na binanggit po ninyo, galing po yun sa Assessor's Office at hindi po galing sa Register of Deeds.
Report correctionAscertain those maps as we speak from sources we can obtain. Perhaps if you can lend assistance to the court by giving us the tax map from the city assessor's office so that we can so determine it more conclusively. Attorney Lindon?
Report correctionYes, Your Honor. We will provide the tax map as soon as possible. We're trying to get
Report correctionYes, Your Honor. But in order to guide this honorable court and the senator-judges, Your Honor, we actually looked further into it and there's actually a official Facebook account of Barangay Matina crossing 74A, Davao City, Your Honor.
Report correctionKindly check. Candy, look into it. The clerk of court is directed to
Report correctionWe can flash it on the screen, Your Honor, if this honorable court would allow.
Report correctionJust furnish the court so that we can take judicial notice of it as you requested earlier so that we can decide with respect to your request for judicial notice.
Report correctionThank you. If there are no other senators, Senator Erwin Tulfo is recognized for his interjection.
Report correctionMaraming salamat po, Ginoong presiding officer. Magandang hapon po.
Report correction[unclear] Testigo. Ma'am, ang sabi niyo po kayo ay nagtatala ng mga instrumento sa real properties. Tama po ba ito?
Report correctionPosible ba na magbenta ng properties at hindi pa registered ng new buyer sa LRA ang isang property?
Report correctionOkay. Kailangan ba ilagay sa SALN kahit na ibenta na ang property? For example, binili ko po ngayon tapos after one month may bumili, may patong na bilhin ko sa'yo. Hindi ko na kailangan ilagay sa SALN o kailangan ko pa rin ilagay yun yung pagbebenta ng SALN?
Report correctionNot within your competence. Okay. Pangalawang tanong po ay sana nasa competence nyo
Report correctionna po itong tanong ko. Um, gaano karami po ang property na pinag-uusapan natin dito, ma'am, ng mag-asawa? Gaano karami ito?
Report correctionEh ano yung pinag-uusapan natin dito? Anong property po? Isa lang?
Report correctionUm, base po sa sabina po, ito lang po ang pina-identify po sa akin.
Report correction379 square meters. Hindi naman po ito etarya. Sa loob po ba na city ito? Pasensya na ma'am, di ako nakikinig kanina. Nasa lounge po ako naglalunch kanina. I went to early lunch.
Report correctionNasa base po sa kanyang tax deck, nasa HUNA subdivision po siya.
Report correctionpo. Parang hindi naman po yan talaga na big time subdivision. Magkano ro po ito sa inyong dokumento, sa records nyo? Kung nalalaman lang ninyo.
Report correctionSix million. Pero hindi nyo makikita dyan kung magkano ilang.
Report correctionThank you, Senator Judge Tulfo. There being no other Senator Judge who wishes to... Make an interjection to the witness.
Report correctionThe chair will now excuse Atty. Kathy Baldonado. Ma'am, maraming salamat po sa inyong oras, panahon, pasensya at pagsagot at pagtugon sa mga katanungan ng magkabilang abogado ng magkabilang partido, gayon din po ng ilang senator-judge kabilang na po ang presiding officer. Magandang hapon po at maraming salamat. Your excuse, ma'am.
Report correctionThe clerk of court is directed to now call back to the witness stand, Atty. Marco Pineda, the Register of Deeds of the City of Samal.
Report correctionKindly situate Mr. Marco, Atty. Marco rather, to the witness stand.
Report correctionNaunawaan niyo po na kayo ipatuloy na magbibigyan ng inyong testimonya base at sa ayon sa nauna na po niyong pinanumpaan kanina umaga.
Report correctionSalamat po. Attorney Lindon, you may proceed with your cross-examination when you're ready.
Report correctionAnd you are the Deputy Register of Deeds for Island Garden City of Samal?
Report correctionActing RD. Okay. Sir, the registry of deeds is the repository of records or instruments affecting registered lands. Tama po?
Report correctionMay duty rin po kayo to register instruments presented for registration na may kinalaman sa real property?
Report correctionPublic repository of registry of deeds. Public record.
Report correctionIn accordance with section 56 of presidential decree 1529, all documents registered before our registry are considered public documents.
Report correctionThank you, sir. Being public, kahit po sino pwedeng humingi ng kopya ng
Report correctionyou are aware that before a title may be issued or transferred to the name of another person, he or she must submit a certificate authorizing registration from the BIR Real property tax clearance from the LGU and proof of payment of transfer taxes. Correct sir?
Report correctionAnd this is to ensure po that your office knows that proper taxes have been paid.
Report correctionSir, I cannot make a definite statement considering that we are simply ministerial officers. We accept documents at face value. If the documents are present and complied, we immediately register as ministerial officers.
Report correctionIt's okay sir. It's okay, sir. But you would agree, sir, that your office, the Registry of Deeds, would not issue any title or would not cause the transfer of title to another person without complying with the requirements submitted to you?
Report correctionThe e-card or the electronic certificate authorizing registration of the Bureau of Internal Revenue is a mandatory requirement, sir.
Report correctionAnd the title you identified is issued in the name of Manassas R. Carpio, correct, sir?
Report correctionThe Registry of Deeds po is not the repository of SAL-Ns of any public official or employee, tama po?
Report correctionSo you would not have personal knowledge on the listed assets sa mga SAL-N ng ating VC Presidente?
Report correctionWala rin po kayong personal knowledge sa listed liabilities sa mga SAL-N?
Report correctionWala rin kayong personal knowledge sa listed net worth sa kanyang mga SAL-N, tama po?
Report correctionOkay. And wala rin po kayong personal knowledge, any listed financial and business interests sa kanyang mga SALN. Tama po?
Report correctionOkay. Hindi rin po kayo makakapag-testigo kung kumpleto o hindi ang mga nakalagay sa kanyang SALN. Tama po?
Report correctionOkay. Sir, you testified that a deed of absolute sale was annotated to the title. Correct, sir?
Report correctionIt is part of the supporting document, sir, and annotated as well on the Facebook title as part of the incumbrances.
Report correctionOkay. The deed of absolute sale is dated March 15, 2018. Correct, sir?
Report correctionI will confirm, sir, as it appears on the Facebook document, March 15, 2018.
Report correctionThank you, sir. In the same deed of absolute sale, sir, the property was described... As being located in Barangay San Isidro, Kaputian District, Island Garden, City of Samal. Correct, sir?
Report correctionMay I be clarified, sir? You are referring to the deed of absolute sale?
Report correctionCorrect, sir. Yung nakalagay na property description sa deed of absolute sale.
Report correctionAs it appears in the document, sir, in a quote, property description, Lot L11, Block Number B1, Phase 1, Project Kembali Coast, Subdivision Village, located at Barangay San Isidro, Kaputian District. Island Garden City of Samal, Davao City, Philippines, uncovered by transfer certificate of Title No. T-44681 of the Register of Deeds of Davao del Norte. End of quote.
Report correctionThank you, Sir. So yung TCT po na sinabi niyo, tama po na in-issue ito ng inyong ipusina noong March 28, 2019?
Report correctionAt ang description ng property dito ay The property is located in Matanos, Island Garden, City of Samal. Tama po ba? Sa T-City po mismo.
Report correctionSir, the transfer certificate of title which is in my hand, number 142-2019-013134 states that the land, and I read... It is certified that certain land situated in Matanos Island Garden City of Samal, province of the Baudel, North Philippines, as it appears on the face of the title, sir.
Report correctionOkay. So, thank you, sir. I will be showing you the 2018 Sal-N of the Vice President, sir.
Report correctionI direct your attention to the portion of listed real properties under Manassas R. Carpio.
Report correctionDo you confirm, sir, that that is the 2018 SALN?
Report correctionDo you confirm, sir, that that is the 2018 SALN?
Report correctionOkay. And do you confirm also that there is a property declared located in San Isidro, Igakos? Correct, sir?
Report correctionYour Honor, can the counsel be more specific? There are several properties from Samal Island indicated in the SALN.
Report correctionNo, he's referring to the one, the earlier ones are under the name of the Vice President. This one is under the name of Attorney Carpio.
Report correctionI will read before this Honorable Court. As it appears in this document, Your Honor, sir, there is one lot.
Report correctionResidential, Barangay, San Isidro, Capotean, Igakos, 52,500, Date of Acquisition, 2013, Mode of Acquisition, Sale, amounting to 4,041,000 pesos.
Report correctionThank you, sir. Thank you, sir. You confirm, sir, that San Isidro, Capotean District, Igakos also appears in the deed of absolute sale, correct, sir?
Report correctionWith the indulgence of Attorney Lindon, can you... IGACOS is Island, Garden, City of Samal. Is that the abbreviation?
Report correctionYes, Your Honor. IGACOS means to embrace, but its literal meaning is Island, Garden, City of Samal.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. I'm going to be showing you the 2019 SALN of the Vice President, Sir. And I'm going to be directing your attention to the list of real properties under Manassas R. Carpio.
Report correctionMy question, Sir, is do you confirm that there is a declared Matanos-Igacos property? In the 2019 SALN of the Vice President.
Report correctionI will read before this for the full appreciation of this honorable court, sir.
Report correctionThank you, your honor. Lot, residential, Barangay Matanos, Kaputian District, Igakos, 270,360, 2,700,000, 3,600. Date of acquisition, 2013.
Report correction2,730,600 pesos, 2013 mode of acquisition, sale, and valued at 4,041,000 pesos, Your Honor, sirs.
Report correctionIs it a fair statement, sir, that this reflects the description of the location of the property in the transfer of certificate of title which you identified?
Report correctionObjection, Your Honor. The best evidence is the title itself, Your Honor.
Report correctionWell, if the witness knows, he may answer. If you know, Attorney Marco.
Report correctionYour Honor, based on my legal expertise and knowledge, Your Honor, I cannot draw conclusions because I am a mere ministerial officer. It cannot be done with pure quick visual check of the SALN, Your Honor. We are simply repositories or custodians of titles. I am confronted with documents for the first time. In this honorable court, sir. Ngayon ko pala nakita. Mahirap po magbigay ng conclusion, sir.
Report correctionOkay. That's your answer. Attorney Lindon, that's his answer.
Report correctionBut you agree that the property is described in the transfer certificate of title as one being located in Barangay Matanos, Island Garden, City of Samal. Correct, sir? Based on the TCT?
Report correctionSo it's in the same barangay but you're not sure if it's the same property?
Report correctionAt the same time, the year, because it was acquired as per perusal of the absolute sale in 2018, but this one is...
Report correctionIn the sale, and what year is the deed of sale?
Report correctionI'm going to be showing you a tax declaration regarding the TCT of said property, Your Honor. Again,
Report correctionYour Honor, we'll be raising the same objections, Your Honor.
Report correctionPreviously ruled by the Court, Attorney John, you may note your continuing objection to this line of questioning, which the Court shall note.
Report correctionSir, do you confirm that the tax declaration you are holding as indicated in the document pertains to the same TCT number?
Report correctionAnd would you confirm, sir, that the assessed value is P346,960 as indicated in the tax declaration?
Report correctionAs appearing in the document itself, sir, it reads in a quote, P346,960, end of quote.
Report correctionI'm gonna be showing you sir the 2024 SAL-N of the Vice President.
Report correctionI direct your attention to the portion under Manassas R. Carpio sir,
Report correctionwhere the property is declared in Matanos, Igakos.
Report correctionWould you kindly read the assessed value in that portion sir?
Report correctionThe assessed value based on this document, sir, is P346,960.
Report correctionAnd it's the same value as the tax declaration you earlier testified on. Correct, sir?
Report correctionThe assessed value as appearing in the tax declaration states
Report correctionWell, it may match with the figure of the tax declaration but doesn't mean that it was declared, Your Honor.
Report correctionAs appearing in the document, not necessarily as of yet that it is the same property.
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. Just a few questions will redirect, Your Honor. The property being referred to by the Defense Counsel and as shown by the Sal-N. The acquisition date. Ano po yung acquisition date as shown in the SALN na pinapakita sa'yo kanina?
Report correctionMay I be allowed to peruse the document, sir? [unclear], please.
Report correctionUnder the heading or caption, acquisition year, as reflected in this document under the heading Manasis Carpio, it reads 2013, Your Honor.
Report correction2013. At ikumpara niyo po dun sa deed of sale na dala ninyo. Anong year po yung deed of sale?
Report correctionAyan, tinan natin yung amount, ang acquisition cost sa deed of sale.
Report correctionOn page 2 of this document, sir, and I read the purchase price. The purchase price for the property is Philippine pesos 3,453,849 pesos. End of quote.
Report correctionAnd can you please compare it with the acquisition cost on the SALN as declared?
Report correctionThe acquisition cost as appearing in this document sir reads 4,041,000 pesos.
Report correctionSo magkaiba yung year of acquisition at magkaiba din yung acquisition cost based on what you read?
Report correctionSo they declared na nabili na nila ang property in 2013 yet
Report correctionang actual deed of sale Ay ginawa noong 2018, 5 years after. Ano ba ang penalty for perjury or for making a...
Report correctionUnless you have any other questions, Atty. John?
Report correctionSir, as Register of Deeds, malamang familiar po kayo sa dealings with real property, tama po? Yung mga kontrata involving real property, familiar po kayo?
Report correctionSo, time and again, we encountered the documents required pertinent to a specific transaction.
Report correctionAnd nabanggit nyo rin po kanina na na-abogado kayo. So, familiar po kayo kung papaano binibenta ang isang lupa, diba?
Report correctionBago mabayaran ng kabuoan ng hinihingi ng purchase price sa lupa, nag-execute po na ng contract to sell ang mga partido. Tama po? In your experience?
Report correctionwitness knows, kung alam nyo po, Atty. Margo, kung hindi po, sabihin nyo rin po kung hindi nyo po alam.
Report correctionIt is usual that before the entire purchase price is paid, a contract to sell is executed between the parties.
Report correctiona purely academic fashion, sir, with all due respect to this honorable court, a contract begins with a consent, object and consideration. If the parties have a meeting of minds, They can sell lands orally but that would not bind the world. It is the registration of the land that binds the whole world as a constructive notice.
Report correctionBut it is binding us within the parties, attorney.
Report correctionAnd sa pagbebenta po ng lupa, kapag nakabayad na yung buyer ng buong purchase price, doon pa lang itatransfer yung pangalan sa titulo. Tama po ba?
Report correctionAs I've said sir, with all your respect to the Honorable Court, we have a system that pops out the documentary requirements. So it requires more than just the deed of sale or the deed of conveyance. It requires the payment of the tax, the ECAR, the capital gains tax.
Report correctionOkay, sige sir. Nabanggit nyo rin po yan. So yun pong nakalagay na purchase price. Aside from the purchase price, every sale of property nagbabayad din ng transfer tax. Tama po sir?
Report correctionan earlier witness. He was merely mentioning the documentary requirements that the Register of Deeds require to be submitted before they issue a new title in favor of the buyer. Witness may answer?
Report correctionI'll repeat my question, sir. So aside from the purchase price, nagbabayad rin yung mga parties ng transfer tax, tama po?
Report correctionFor the Senator's interjections, we have Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo. You have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready.
Report correctionThank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Just a point of clarification lamang po to the defense. Are you saying that the subject properties are all stated in the SALN of the Vice President? Kasi it seems to me that the prosecution is saying that the subject properties were not declared. Pakiclarify lang.
Report correctionThat is the position of... Our position, Your Honor, that the properties that the two witnesses testified to today are in fact declared in the SALN of the Vice President, Your Honor.
Report correctionDito po tayo sa ati pong witness. Mr. Witness, does the registry of these possess any corporate records, bank trails, or financial documents indicating? Public funds or personal funds belonging strictly to Vice President Sara were utilized to purchase these properties. Sir, do you have those?
Report correctionNo, sir, because as I said, sir, with all due respect, we have a set of requirements, documentary requirements. So, we just adhere to what is required of us as ministerial officers. We don't have any paper trail on the source of the funds.
Report correctionOkay. May susunod ko po ng question. As an official of the LRA, sir, meron ba kayong personal knowledge regarding sa marital property regime? Example, sir, mga absolute community or complete separation of property, yung establishment between the spouses bago po sila nag-asawa, baka meron ng lupa si Atty. Man Scarpio, magkahiwalay sila ng property?
Report correctionif a public official declares a real estate in their SAL-N, tapos using a broad geographical classification, alright, a developer's project name or an aggregate real property without explicitly writing the words Barangay Matano-Samal, for example,
Report correctionYour automated title lookup would register that as a no matching record? Correct? Tama po ba?
Report correctionmy recollection serves me right, Your Honor, that would be the output or the outcome.
Report correctionOkay. So, the standard SALN format provided by the Civil Service Commission does not strictly require public official to itemize the exact lot. and block number of the micro barangay address of every single parcel. That's it.
Report correctionYes, sir, but I have some reservations, Your Honor, considering that under the law, Republic Act 6713, the official custodian of the SALN is the office of the Ombudsman. So I have some reservations, Your Honor, because I might be saying something that... and I will be violating the law as a lawyer.
Report correctionYes, sir, as a matter of mandate, the mandate for office, Your Honor.
Report correctionThank you, Senator Judge Erwin. The Senate President is recognized. You may proceed, sir. You have two minutes when you're ready.
Report correctionThank you. Thank you. Good afternoon sa ating witness.
Report correctionItong, again, tinitignan ko itong TCT. Anong exact barangay itong property na ito? According to the TCT. Mr. Pineda.
Report correctionKagalanggalang na Pangulo. Hingi pa ako ng kuting oras, tinitignan ko po muna.
Report correctionAng nakasulat po rito sa mukha ng mismong titulo ay, and I read, Kagalanggalang na Pangulo. It is hereby certified. that certain land situated in Matanos Island Garden City of Samal, province of the Baldo-Norte Philippines. Yan po ang nakasulat, end of quote, Your Honor.
Report correctionYan ang official barangay nitong property, itong TCT ending 3134?
Report correctionAs appearing in the document, yes, kagalang-galang na Pangulo.
Report correctionTingin-tingin ko rin yung kanina na point out ng defense lawyers. Meron ding barangay San Isidro? Merong barangay San Isidro?
Report correctionNagpareho ba yun yung San Isidro at barangay Matanos?
Report correctionKasi dito sa tinitignan ko yung SAL-N, merong ring barangay San Isidro particularly. So magkaibang barangay ito. Hindi siya nag-rename o hindi naging isang barangay. Magkaiba siya.
Report correctionKakalanggalang at mahal na Pangulo, kung hayaan niyo po akong ihayag kung paano po nangyayari ito.
Report correction2018 may Barangay San Isidro pero doon sa titulo Barangay Matanos. So magkaiba siya. Magkaiba.
Report correctionGanito po kasi yan. Kung mayroong malaking lupa na gusto pong bilhin ng isang malaking developer, bibilhin po niya. At saka ito po ay sumasaklaw ng maraming barangay. At kung ito pong barangay ay nakaugat sa dating kadastri po, Ang trabaho po ng isang Register of Deeds ay purely ministerial. Isa'y automaticong pagganap ng tungkulin na walang pagpapasya. Kinukopya po namin yan. Kine-carry over namin yung dating titulo, yung tinatawag na mother title, yung ina. At ipapasok po namin yan sa derivative title, yung anak na titulo. Kaya kung ang dati pong pinagugatan ng titulo ay nakasulat po sa buka nito ay matanos, carried over po yan. Dadalin po yan ng anak yung derivative title. Ito po ang nangyari kadalasan po.
Report correctionOkay, pero for this purpose, itong lupang ito, nasa barangay Matano siya, hindi sa barangay San Isidro. Yun ang gusto natin malaman.
Report correctionNapakaganda po ng tanong po ninyo, mahal na Pangulo. Kasi po ganito yan, kung gusto nyo talagang matiyak kung saan ang lupa na binili at nakalagay sa titulo, kailangan po natin yung recent tax mapping. At ang recent tax mapping po ay matatagpuan sa tax declaration.
Report correctionBatay po, mahal na Pangulo, sa tax declaration of real property na hinawakan ko po.
Report correctionAng nakasulat po rito ay, location of property, and I quote, San Isidro, Kaputian, District Igakos, end of quote. Yun po ang recent latest tax mapping ng City Assessor ng Samal po.
Report correctionKaya po. Kasi po yung po ang dati pong kadastre. Ayon po sa Section 108 ng Presidential Decree 1529 or the Property Registration Decree, we are not authorized to change or alter any entries in the title unless there is a court order po or order from the Registration Authority.
Report correctionSo kung wala po, we will just carry that over to the succeeding titles or the derivative titles po. If you want to know the exact place po ng property, we have to go to the recent tax mapping based on the tax declaration po. Mahal na Pangulo.
Report correctionOkay. And then, base po sa inyong karanasan, kasi nakikinig ako kanina sa inyong mga sagot, dito ba sa Samal ay, base sa inyong karanasan, dahil five years na kayo doon, ang presyo ba ng lupa, tumataas o bumaba ba?
Report correctionHindi ko po saklaw na aking mandato po, yun po rin sa assessor po. Pero tumataas po based on public knowledge.
Report correctionKasi nung tinitignan ko yung acquisition cost, 4 million, pero doon sa deed of sale, kanina pinapoint out ang defense, 4 million yung acquisition cost, pero ang deed of sale is 3.4 million in 2018, so bumaba siya.
Report correctionPosible ba yun kung talagang one and the same property yan?
Report correctionPero may ganyan bang pangyayari dyan sa area? I think Kimbali ang tawag dyan sa area na yan. Bumaba ba ang presyo ng lupa?
Report correctionTatapatin ko po kayo mahal na Pangulo. Hindi pa po ako nakapunta sa Kimbali coast po. Pero sa pagkakaalam ko po, tumataas po.
Report correctionThat's my personal opinion lang po. Hindi po yung legal na opinion.
Report correctionDahil matagal na kayo dyan eh. So nakikita niyo yung transactions dahil kayo ang register of deeds, nakikita niyo yung transfer ng... At least meron kayong gut feel ang takbuhan ng presyo dyan sa area.
Report correctionThank you Mr. Senate President. Senator Judge Villanueva is recognized for his interjections. You have two minutes sir.
Report correctionWould you respect your honor, we would just like to, in light of the interjection of... The Senate President, we would just like to clarify that while the acquisition cost is constant, the declared property from 2013 to until present reflects the increase in assessed and market value, Your Honor. But
Report correctionthe SALN merely requires the declarant to write the acquisition cost, not the market value.
Report correctionYour Honor, may we also make a counter-manifestation since he was allowed?
Report correctionYes, Attorney John, in light of the manifestation of Attorney Lindon.
Report correctionYour Honor, it's also worthy to note that this property subject matter of the title, Your Honor, is in Kembali Resort. It's an exclusive resort subdivision, Your Honor. So the price does not go down, it goes up.
Report correctionNoted, counsel, but that did not come from the witness. Same is true with the manifestation of Attorney Lindon. Senator-Judge Villanueva, you may proceed, sir. You have 10 minutes.
Report correctionYes, Mr. President. Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. I will no longer ask questions because I think I'm interested again in asking the same question and I already know the answer. would be the same. So again, let me just put into the records as mentioned earlier that this court needs evidence tracing who actually paid for this property and where the funds came from and we need probably Mr. President, seller's payment, records, loan disbursement records and if loan is being relied on and bank or AMLC records specifically linked to this acquisition. This will help definitely establish how this transaction supports the allegations under Article 2. So, I hope, Mr. President, that we can proceed now to the next witness. Thank you, Mr. President.
Report correctionThank you, Senator-Judge Villanueva. If there are no other Senator-Judges who wishes to make an interjection, the Chair will wind it up. Mr. Attorney... Pinela.
Report correctionMay I ask, ang nakalagay po sa titlo, hindi ba technical description lamang ng lupa at hindi address? Kunwari, ang bahay po namin sa probinsya, kilometer 584, Maharlika Highway, Barangay Buhatan, Sorsogon City, Province of Sorsogon, wala pong address sa titlo, di po ba?
Report correctionMeron po yung under the registered owners po na caption.
Report correctionYung address po ng may-ari pero hindi po yung address nung lupaing binibili subject matter of the TCT.
Report correctionMeron lang po yung caption sa itaas po kung saan na situated po, your honor.
Report correctionNakalagay nga lang po yung address nung registered owner.
Report correctionHindi po yung pinakauna po yung parang preface niya. It is hereby certified that certain land situated in Matanos.
Report correctionKaya yung barangay po nakalagay pero hindi po address nga talaga. May numero at may kalye.
Report correctionWala pa po kayong nakitang titolo, TCT man o OCT, na nakalagay na description ng lupa, yung actual na street number and street name plus barangay and city.
Report correctionAng mababasa po lamang ay technical description.
Report correctionIbig sabihin, from a point beginning 1-2 on the northeast, x meters, x degrees, hindi po ba ganun lang?
Report correctionKaya nga kailangan po ng surveyor para tiyakin na yung technical description sa titulo, yun nga ay tumutugma sa lupa yung binili ninyo.
Report correctionSo, hindi po ganung kadali na imatch yung address, kung may street address man yung bahay na binili, kung bahay man po yun, dito sa titulo.
Report correctionIn the SALN of the Vice President in 2015 and 2016 and 2017, she declared a property in Icagos stating that she bought a property in 2013 but it first appeared only in her SALN in 2015 and then she wrote installment in 2015 as pointed out by the Senate.
Report correctionInstallment in 2015, Deferred Installment in 2016, which she described as Deferred Installment again in 2017, and in 2018 declared it as a sale. So, posible po ba na sale
Report correctionon installment itong lupa ang pinag-uusapan natin at dineklara lamang nung fully paid na ito? Is that possible if you know, sir?
Report correctionApologies, Your Honor. I have no personal knowledge, sir.
Report correctionPero nakakita na kayo ng mga dupain, Atty. Marco, na binibenta on installment sale.
Report correctionMeron po yung sa gobyerno po yung sa National Housing Finance Corporation. Meron pong ganun na pautang.
Report correctionIto na lang po. Will you register a contract to sell? In the register of deeds and transfer ownership to the buyer?
Report correctionNo sir, it is your honor, it is merely an annotation to the title.
Report correctionSo it is only a deed of sale that you will register, if at all, in the register of deeds as evidence of transfer of real estate property?
Report correctionYes, your honor. Those which are simply contracts to sell or conditional sale, we may annotate that as part of the incumbrances but there is no transfer so the title remains in the name of the original. Registered owner po, your honor.
Report correctionThat is perhaps one thing for the civil service to look at dahil ang dinedeklara po sa SAL-N ay general description lamang ng real property at hindi po ganung kadali, para din sa kaalaman ng ating mga manonood at viewing public, hindi po ganung kasimplang ipagtugma yung aktual na lupain o lugar dun sa dineklara sa SAL-N at dun sa nasa titulo dahil magkakaiba po ang nilalaman po nun. Tama po ba yun, Atty. Marco?
Report correctionThank you very much. If there are no other senator-judges who wishes to make interjections, we shall dispense with this witness.
Report correctionAtty. Marco, maraming salamat po sa inyong panahon, pasensya, at pagtugon-pagsagot sa mga katanungan ng abogado ng magkabilang partido, gayon din ng ilang senator-judges. You are excused, sir, and thank you very much.
Report correctionThe honor is all mine, Your Honor. Thank you po. Thank you, Your Honor.
Report correctionThe Chair declares a brief recess upon the request of the parties for a sidebar before we call on the next witness. The next witness, Attorney John, is the AMLAC representative or head, correct?
Report correctionThe Chair declares a brief recess of 10 minutes.
Report correctionFor your record, the chair called for a brief recess upon the request of council correspondent for a sidebar where we discussed some matters pertaining to the next witness, particularly some provisions in the AMLC Law 9-160 as amended, which the chair during the recess brought up in caucus. and inform the senators to take it, senator-judges to take the same under-advisement for the matter to be decided upon when trial resumes.
Report correctionAlso, Attorney Sheila kindly confirmed, during the sidebar, can you be the one, Attorney Sheila? Attorney Sheila also raised some...
Report correctionConcerns given the voluminous documents that the AMLC will be presenting, best to come from your own words, Attorney Sheila.
Report correctionThat's correct, Your Honor. Thank you. I confirm that we raised some concerns after perusal of the summaries that were mentioned by the lead prosecutor earlier this morning. I also would like just to correct the record that
Report correctionActually, we're able to receive this through our office email at 9.34 a.m. but this was only forwarded to us at 11.28 a.m. and we were only able to see these during the lunch break. But going back to our concern, we just noticed that this document consists or the summaries including the cover letter submitted by Executive Director of the Secretariat of the Anti-Money Laundering Council, Atty. Ronel Buenaventura, consisting of 11 pages, actually has on each and every page of this document a strictly confidential mark. And this repeats in the entire submission including the accompanying summaries. identified as Annex A, and so on and so forth. There is also a portion in the cover letter dated October 1, 2026 of the Executive Director of AMLC addressed to the lead of the panel of the prosecutors explicitly saying that the AMLC is not waiving the confidentiality of AMLC records. Now, in view of that, and Section 8-A of AMLA as amended by Republic Act No. 11521 and as well as the fact that we just received copies of these summaries today. which now will involve an undertaking of a review of at least 23 to 24 boxes of documents on the part of the defense. And without a review of that, we cannot imagine how we would be able to intelligently respond to the questioning of the prosecution to their intended witness should it come to that. And raise the proper grounds, therefore, without examination of the documents that we need to do to appreciate the so-called summaries here, in addition, of course, to our objection that we may raise on the confidentiality, absolute confidentiality of these records. And we note, Your Honor, that when this court ruled to grant the request for subpoena of the prosecution in July 20, 2026, I think the limitation of that ruling was only on the issuance of the subpoena. And the court had made clear that that ruling is without prejudice to the eventual objection at the proper time that will come from the respondent. Also, in the journal that we had reviewed on that ruling, it cited the case of Republic v. Sandiganbayan to justify the grant of the request for subpoena. But we would note that that case was decided at the time when the amendatory law, Republic Act No. 11521, was not yet in effect. And the facts of the case obtaining were under the old law, before the passage of the old law, providing for the absolute confidentiality of the AMLC records. Just those for now, Your Honor.
Report correctionout of an abundance of caution, as used by Attorney Sheila also last week, Ex-Abundante Gautela furnished the Senator-Judges with a copy of the provisions of the law raised by the Council of Respondents, again, for their perusal and for them to study before we make an intelligent judgment on the matter when we resume. Kaugnay nung isa po niyong sinabi, Atty. Sheila, sa madali salita, kailangan niyo pa ng panahon para maghandaan at maghanda. Para sa cross-examination at kung sakasakali kahandaan din na mag-object sa direct examination kung may mga punto mang dapat objectan. Tama po ba?
Report correctionThat is correct, Your Honor, but not only to time to prepare for the cross-examination and to object to the direct examination, but as well as to offer a proper comment to the offer of the testimonial evidence.
Report correctionAnd during the recess, during the sidebar, Atty. Sheila, do you also confirm that you requested for Monday to do this?
Report correctionNot exactly a request, Your Honor, but I think that schedule was considered earlier.
Report correctionThe subpoenas to be issued were only given now. We will be issuing the subpoenas for the respective banks and insurance companies today. Hence, it would be too late to serve them for any witness to be presented tomorrow because originally we were planning to spend this afternoon and tomorrow for AMLC for both parties as well as the senator-judges. Hence, there will be no available witness tomorrow through no fault of the prosecution. And given that, we will be expecting the other witnesses to appear on Monday. Monday it shall be for us to continue with this trial. Honorable Diokno is recognized. You seem to be indicating that you wish to talk. Yes, Honorable
Report correctionThank you, Your Honor. I did not want to interrupt the Honorable Presiding Officer. If I may be allowed to respond to some of the Statements made by the defense counsel. First of all, Your Honor, the records will bear me out that the documents of the Anti-Money Laundering Council were provided to the defense way back in September 2. That is, I believe, enough time for them to have produced the documents and prepared for the presentation of the... Witness from the AMLC. Second, if your honor please, this matter was actually resolved directly by this honorable court on July 20, 2026 and I did not hear the defense counsel address this particular portion of the ruling of this court which I may be allowed to read if I may. I quote, The defense vigorously argues that the AMLC is absolutely shielded from this court's compulsory process by the confidentiality provisions of Section 80 of the Anti-Money Laundering Act as amended and warrants that compliance with exposed AMLC officers to criminal sanctions for breach of confidentiality. The court, however, finds this argument unavailing. Section 8-A, this is referring to the Anti-Money Laundering Law, Regulates unauthorized and arbitrary disclosures by AMLC personnel. It does not and constitutionally cannot nullify the lawful subpoena powers of the Senate sitting as an impeachment court where compliance with the lawful constitutional subpoena is a justifying circumstance that if at all would extinguish any penal liability under Article 11, Paragraph 6 of the Revised Penal Code for any person acting in obedience to an order issued by a superior or some other lawful purpose. And I believe, Your Honor, that that ruling still stands. Neither the prosecution or the defense has any standing under the rules to move for its reconsideration. If ever, only an honorable member of this court may do so. And Your Honor, in that respect, the statements of the defense are really in the nature of a motion for reconsideration, which as I said, is not allowed. Now, if we were to address the substance of the arguments, may I simply say, and I believe I have said this before, that Section 8-A was only intended to prevent leaks by officers or employees. of the Anti-Money Laundering Council. It was never intended as a blanket shield for any lawful subpoenas issued by a proper court. In fact, very often, I remember also saying this before that the Sandigan Bayan has issued subpoenas to the Anti-Money Laundering Council and they have appeared before that court and brought documents despite the existence of Section 8A. I see no difference
Report correctionBetween this Honorable Court exercising its subpoena power and in fact its power to try and decide this case given directly by the Constitution is even more impelling and compelling than a subpoena issued by the Sandiganbayan in the course of its exercise of its jurisdiction. Therefore, if Your Honors please, we respectfully submit that we put our witness on the stand. We proceed with the direct examination. If there are any objections to the offer or to any specific questions, of course, the defense, we would gladly hear them and argue with them about it. But I believe we should move forward already with the presentation of this witness.
Report correctionThe gentleman quoted, and I will quote. The same portion of the journal dated July 20, 2026 that the Honorable Congressman Diokno read. It says here, The defense vigorously argues that the AMLC is absolutely shielded from this court's compulsory process by the confidentiality provisions of Section 8 of the Anti-Money Laundering Act as amended and warrants that compliance with exposed AMLC officers to criminal sanctions for breach of confidentiality. However, I think it may have escaped the attention of the gentleman the following paragraph. It says here, The court, however, finds this argument unavailing. Section 8-A regulates unauthorized and arbitrary disclosures by AMLC personnel. It does not and constitutionally cannot nullify the lawful subpoena powers of the Senate sitting as an impeachment court where compliance with the lawful constitutional
Report correctionSo in other words, even this court as early as July 20, 2026 had recognized that there is absolute confidentiality involving AMLC personnel and the witness about to be presented by the prosecution today is undeniably Not only at AMLC personnel, but the Executive Director of its Secretariat, Your Honor.
Report correctionOne sentence, sir, rebuttal. Good, sir. Yes, Honorable Diokno.
Report correctionYour Honor, if the Court, as claimed by the Defense Counsel, recognized the absolute confidentiality, then why did it issue this subpoena in the first place? That's all, Your Honor.
Report correctionI am not aware of what the presiding officer's ruling would be, but I have very strong reservations about postponing any proceedings this afternoon because all this time I am... I've thought that the prosecution and the defense have been ready with this since July, since the time we took an oath. Talab na nila kung ano yung mga parating eh. Di ba? So I don't think many would enjoy a postponement only because they were not given proper time. This was since July. And I understand September 2 being in the defense. I'm speaking for the public, Mr. Presiding Officer, Your Honor. So I leave it to you and my colleagues, but I have very strong reservations of not proceeding this afternoon.
Report correctionThe comments of Senator-Judge Sotto are duly noted. Senator-Judge Alan Cayetano, thereafter, Senator-Judge Risa Hontiveros.
Report correctionMr. Presiding Officer, I share former Senator Tito Sotto's concern. Not to postpone.
Report correctionFormer Senate President, sorry. Former Senate President more than once. He was our majority, minority leader and Senate President in two administrations. Sorry, Senator Soto. But I agree with you na we shouldn't keep postponing. I agree with Congressman Diokno that we will move forward. Upon verification, I do agree that when the subpoena was issued and all these documents. But I also take note that the summaries were only sent this morning. And I don't mean to prejudge everything you've presented before this. But if I can use the word main event, one of the, if not the main event of this trial, the same as the corona trial, is actually the questions about financial impropriety or graph and corruption and about the actual finances of the respondent accused. So in a democracy, the result is important but the process is as important. That's why we all believe hopefully that the end does not justify the means. So, I don't think the defense is asking for a month, a week. They're asking for this afternoon and tomorrow. So, meaning on Monday. Because the problem, Mr. Presiding Officer, is that when we want the result right away, we also want fairness. There are so many issues from the Presiding Officer to the threshold through... Whether or not AMLLC has actually shown this document to others or have they been faithful in not sharing this document. Ang dami pong issues eh. So we don't want to add to that in saying that the defense wasn't given the opportunity to go through all of this and the senator-judges to see to the issues that the defense is... that the defense... Mayrace today or on Monday. So my point, Mr. President, is that just like the budget hearings, we have to balance the speed with fairness. So we all want results. Kung pwede, ipasa na natin yung 2027 budget tomorrow. Kung pwede, tapusin na natin ang prosecution tomorrow, next week yung defense na. But that has to be balanced with fairness. And it's the same thing in the... prosecution side. If the defense in their turn presents certain documents that you feel you need an afternoon or a day or weekend to read, I think prudence dictates that we give in to that. Subject to the defense not abusing that request na every time may dokumentong Tingin nila ngayon lang nila nakita ay hihingin nila na ipabukas o ipanext week na. So my small contribution today, Mr. President, is I think it will speak well of this impeachment court if we balance fairness and if the prosecution would so see fit that, you know, if you were in the shoes of the defense, you'd also like to go through all of this and make intelligent
Report correctionDecisions from their comments to the offer to whether or not they will object to the presentation to questioning the witness and even asking the court whether or not this can be submitted to us or whatever it is. Fairness, I think, dictates that we give each other enough time. So that's my humble opinion, Mr. Presiding Officer. Thank you.
Report correctionSalamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer. Regardless po kung iyong mga pananalita ay galing sa prosecution o sa defense at bago po mag-ruling ang Presiding Officer para sa impeachment court, kailangan ko lang po sabihin ng representasyong ito, Mr. Presiding Officer, nasa isyong tinatalakay at importanteng i-gawin ito of record. para sa mga susunod na trial days na haharapin natin o di kaya para sa mga susunod na posibleng impeachment trial sa mga susunod na taon. Wala pong sinasabing absolute confidentiality na nagdatali sa kamay ng isang impeachment court sa usaping ito na tinatalakay natin sa ngayon. For the record po, Mr. Presiding Officer, yung confidentiality requirement para sa AMLAC officials sa mismong Anti-Money Laundering Act ay prohibition sa indiscriminate o voluntaryong pag-leak ng impormasyon. Hindi po yan prohibition sa compliance sa sabina issued ng isang proper court. Kasama na po ang isang impeachment court. Hindi po ito prohibition sa compliance o hindi po ito prohibition sa lawful disclosure ng impormasyon sa mga law enforcement agencies. Kasi po ang isang absolute reading ay magiging na pong Kabulastugan dahil hindi na po magagawa ng AMLOC ang mismong trabaho niya kung bakit siya nilikha ng ating batas. And in this case po, Mr. Presiding Officer, mukha namang willing mag-testigo ang AMLOC official. Ano pa man po ang maging ruling po ng Korte sa pamamagitan ng ating Presiding Officer kung itutuloy po niya ngayong hapon. or Bukas pa kaya. At magpatuloy ang trial na ito sa mga usapin ng records ng mga bangko sa susunod na linggo. Kinailangan lang po nitong representasyon bilang miyembro ng impeachment court na ito. Going of record po itong mga... Itong mga puntong ito. As I mentioned earlier, Mr. Presiding Officer, hindi lang para sa kasalukuyang trial, pero sa mga susunod pa kung sa kasagali, kung kailan ang mga impeachment courts na iyon ay maaaring mga ilangan tawagin ang AMLOC or rather... Either side, prosecution or defense, tawagin ang mga opisyal ng AMLAC bilang mga testigo, Mr. Presiding Officer. Salamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer.
Report correctionThank you very much, Mr. Presiding Officer. Just very briefly, I share the concern of some of our colleagues regarding the matter having been resolved by way of oral arguments in July. and as such therefore there should be no reason why we should go back reiterate or return to the debate but I also recognize that that this is a one day trial delay in other words I think the prosecution is asking for Monday so So, hindi naman nila hininging Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday. So, if we're going to miss one day to be able to process this and have both panels prepare, I would go by allowing for that one day, one trial day delay. I think it's reasonable in that regard. For the record, Mr. President.
Report correctionYour Honor, Your Honor, if I may just make a brief manifestation.
Report correctionThe request emanated from the defense, not from the prosecution. Just for the record.
Report correctionThe Chair did not consider the sidebar of Atty. Sheila as a motion for reconsideration. As the Chair said earlier, ex abundante cautela, out of the exercise of extreme caution, the Chair decided. To furnish the Senator-Judges with a copy of, to be specific, Section 9C and Section 14D of RA No. 9160 as amended by Republic Act No. 11521, specifically Section 8A of the same. Again, out of an abundance of caution, just for them to be able to look at it again because the initial look-see was simply made by the presiding officer when it made a ruling in order to afford any senator-judge ample opportunity and time as well to raise a question if anyone should desire to do so and the matter will be settled either in caucus or in open session on Monday. Number two, on the requested time of the respondent or counsel-respondent to prepare adequately for the MLC, I believe this is the... This is only the first time that this is being done in excess of the day. So, ex comitate, ex aequo, out of courtesy and equity, the chair grants the time requested by the council correspondent for time to prepare for the direct and cross-examination of the AMLC witness on Monday. Therefore, the Clerk of Court is directed to amend and issue the corresponding subpoena to be issued to him again and to the other bank officials to October 6 and 7 and October 5 and 6 respectively for the insurance companies and the bank officials and BIR in accordance with the sequence requested by the Council. Rather, the sequence mentioned by the lead prosecutor earlier. So, there...
Report correctionThere being no other matters to be taken up, yes, Senator-Judge Zabiri, wala tayong session mamaya.
Report correctionOkay, um... The Honorable Chelle Diokno, I think, or the lead prosecutor would be in a better position to enumerate it once again for the information of the Senator-Judges. So we will begin with AMLC on Monday followed by BIR, I believe, if I remember correctly.
Report correctionAnd then the bank officials and then the insurance companies. The sequence of the bank officials will be as they appeared in the motion for the request for subpoena. and the sequence of the insurance companies will also be in the sequence as they appear in the motion for request for subpoena. The Clerk of Court is directed to come up with a calendar of the sequence of the witnesses for the information and reference of the Senator-Judges.
Report correctionIf I recall, I'm sorry, Your Honor, thank you. If I recall the manifestation of the chair earlier, our team leader, I don't recall her mentioning the BIR unless it refers to the authenticating witnesses.
Report correctionThere was a subpoena for the BIR for October 5.
Report correctionInsofar as the order is concerned, Your Honor, please, we will present, with the permission of the court, the banks and insurance companies before we present the BIR witness.
Report correctionTo be fair, nag-iisa lang yung lamang ng motion for request for subpoena sa BIR. Wala siya sa sequence ng banks at insurance companies. So the BIR will be after the banks and the insurance companies?
Report correctionWe will come up with an advisory in accordance with this manifestation for the information of the Senator-judges and for confirmation by the parties too at the appropriate time on Monday. Attorney Sheila?
Report correctionActually, Your Honor, in my notes from the manifestation of the lead prosecutor earlier, she said that, number one, they will no longer present the former Senator Trillanes, and they were supposed to present next the AMLC witness. On October 5, on Monday, they will present the BIR witness. And on Tuesday, the bank's insurance... I mean, it's their prerogative, Your Honor. I just want to clarify if they will stick with this order of presentation.
Report correctionWe will present after, first we will begin with the Anti-Money Laundering Council Executive Director, Your Honor. Then we will proceed to the banks and insurance companies and present the BIR after.
Report correctionIf you will be in a position, Honorable Diokno, or anyone from the panel of prosecutors, Can you kindly furnish at least a day before any tables or summaries that any of your witnesses from the banks, insurance companies, or the BAR will be presenting to give adequate notice or sufficient notice, rather, and information to the counsel for the respondents to avoid this situation from occurring again next week?
Report correctionSenator-Judge, Lacson is recognized. What is your pleasure, sir?
Report correctionThank you, Mr. President. This is for our fellow Senator-Judges. When we do our research over the weekend, kindly include Section 2, Republic Act 1405. It makes an exception for impeachment cases. And even the Supreme Court recognizes the statutory exception pagdating sa mga impeachment cases. Thank you.
Report correctionIf there are no other matters to be taken up, again, as per the request of the Counsel for the Respondents and granted by the Presiding Officer, there will be no trial tomorrow and trial shall resume on Monday. In the meantime, trial is hereby adjourned for today and we shall resume on Monday, October 5 at 10 o'clock in the morning. And according to the Senate President, ito na yung bawi niya sa Family Day na hindi na-celebrate nung Monday. We are adjourned.
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