August 17, 2026

The Senate President, the Presiding Officer,

and Senator-Judges of the Impeachment Court.

The

Sergeant at Arms is directed to make a proclamation.

All persons are commanded to keep silent under pain of penalty while the Impeachment Court is in session for the trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.

The Impeachment Trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte is hereby called to order. We shall be led in prayer by Senator Judge Raffy Tulfo.

Almighty Father, as we enter The seventh week of the impeachment trial guide everyone here. The senator-judges, the presiding officer, the prosecution and defense counsels, the witnesses, and the Filipino people so that we remember why we are conducting these proceedings. Help us to make the most of the Time and resources of our people by making the impeachment trial an instrument that would restore the people's trust in their public officials. Finally, send our most holy spirit upon us so that we are rendered a just judgment over this case. May we embody what Jesus said that for the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Lord, let our words and actions here reflect the public servants that we should be. All these we pray in your mighty name. Amen.

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13 senator-judges present, the chair declares the presence of a quorum. In accordance with the rules of procedure on impeachment trials, the Chair now recognizes the duly elected presiding officer to preside over the proceedings of the impeachment court.

Thank you, Mr. Senate President. If there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the August 12, 2026 Journal of the Senate sitting as an impeachment court and shall consider the same as approved.

The Clerk of Court is directed to kindly call the case before the impeachment court.

Case number 004-2026. In the

matter of impeachment trial, Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.

Appearances of the parties.

Same appearance for the prosecution, Your Honor. We are ready. Thank

you, Honorable Chua.

Same appearance for the respondent accused, Your Honor. Good morning.

Thank you, Atty. Powa.

Call your witness, Honorable Chua.

Your Honor, before we call our next witness, Your Honor.

May we respectfully ask the Honorable Court to recognize Attorney Ligutan, counsel for the prosecution because we understand that his name was alluded to by the defense in the last hearing, Your Honor. May he be given the opportunity to make a brief manifestation or comment. At

the proper time we will, Honorable Attorney Ligutan. At the

proper time we will. The Chair does not intend to rule yet on that matter at this time. But before the Chair does so, Attorney Ligutan will be heard. I assure you.

In that case, Your Honor, may we request the public prosecutor, Congressman Lordan Suwan, be recognized by the Chair for the presentation of our next witness.

The Honorable Suwan is recognized.

Your Honor, on the part of the defense, Your Honor, may we also request that Attorney Lyndon Bacuel be recognized for

this witness. Attorney Lyndon, you are recognized, sir, as far as this witness is concerned.

Good morning, Your Honor. Lyndon Bacuel, appearing for respondent accused.

The Honorable Suwan is recognized.

Thank you, Your Honor.

May it please the Honorable Impeachment Court. The prosecution calls Ms. Marivic M. Pareja.

The Clerk of Court, through the Sergeant at Arms, is directed to kindly situate Ms. Marivic Pareja to the witness stand.

Kindly place the witness under oath, Clerk of Court.

Please raise your right hand. You, Marivic M. Pareja, do swear... that the evidence you shall give in the case now pending between the Philippines and Vice President Cyrus Zimmerman Duterte shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God.

Yes, sir.

Kindly be seated.

Ma'am Marivic. Atty. Soan, you

are recognized to make your offer.

Your Honors, before we proceed with the offer of testimony, we respectfully manifest that we are distributing copies to all the senator-judges. of our offer of testimony. And we also request that this be flashed on the screen for the convenience of the senators and the viewing public.

Your Honor, we only have four offers for the testimony of Witness Pareja, Your Honor.

Your Honor, the testimony of Witness Marivic M. Pareja is being offered to prove the following. Number one, she has been an employee of the House of Representatives for the past 27 years. and has for the last eight years up to the present served as the service director of the Legislative Archives and Museum Management Service or Archives of the House of Representatives. Number two,

the Archives is the official repository of all records of the House of Representatives including those that were transmitted to it by the Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability or CGGPA. in connection with the committee's hearings conducted from September 18, 2024 to December 9, 2024 and is responsible for the storage, preservation, retrieval, and release of certified true copies of such records and issuance of certifications.

Number three, the identity of the following documents that were received by the Archives for Storage and Custody. as transmitted by the Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability relative to its September 18, 2024 to December 9, 2024 committee hearings.

Your Honor, may we be allowed to flash on the screen these documents as I am enumerating them?

Before you proceed, counsel,

let

me be the one to do it. Would Attorney Lyndon be willing to stipulate? Insofar as the current position of the witness in the house is concerned relative to offers 1 and 2 of the council.

Yes, Your Honor, stipulated.

Second, counsel, the Honorable Suwan, you will only be presenting documents enumerated in your offer, namely P. Roman numeral number 1-26A up to P.R.1-26L1.

May I ask,

insofar as your pre-marked documents P.R.1-3 up

to P.R.1-25I-1, these were not part of the documents you requested this Court to take judicial notice of? which we are more than willing to do because they're of the same nature. And since you're not presenting it to this witness, would you want to make the corresponding motion for us to take judicial notice of those documents? Again, to reiterate, P-RN 1-3 up to P-RN 1-25-I-1.

Mostly, these are documents pertaining to documents submitted to the House. pertaining to the ombudsman case and the counter affidavits of some of the respondents in that case? Yes, Your Honor. Or you'd have no intention of presenting those documents anymore?

We do, Your Honor, and judicial notice would be much appreciated.

Kindly ask for it because it is not part of those that we can give judicial notice of in a mandatory manner. So you are asking for judicial notice for the documents I mentioned?

Yes, Your Honor, the prosecution moves.

Any objection on the part of the respondent? Again, just as to the existence of these documents, as to the fact that they were submitted before the House of Representatives, not as to the truth or relevance of these documents to these proceedings.

Counsel?

Stipulated, Your Honor. We have no objection as regards the motion to take judicial notice of these documents.

Court therefore makes an order that the documents inclusive from P-RN1-3 to P-RN1-25I-1 are all taken judicial notice of. Copies are therefore directed to be furnished to all the senator-judges for their information and reference. Again, as to the fact that these are part of the official records of the House, duly submitted to them, and that

and that they form part of the records forming the House deliberations and hearings. Now, next, Honorable Suwan, insofar as these documents you presented are concerned, again, these are all submissions to the House, correct?

Yes, Your Honor.

May I hear from Counsel for Respondent, Atty. Linden? Are you willing to stipulate as to these documents that they intend to present through the witness, Atty. Pareja? Again, only as to the fact that they were submitted to the House, part of the official records of the House, and that in the performance of her regular duties that these are within her custody, and that she performed her duties in the regular course of events.

We stipulate, Your Honor, as regards the transmittal of these documents to the Department of the Witness, Your Honor.

And that she is in possession and custody of these documents?

Yes, Your Honor.

as part of the official records of the hearings of the House.

Yes, Your Honor.

Honorable Suwan, since it has been stipulated by the Council, would there be anything else? Again, just for clarity, Atty. Linden, we are referring to previously

marked documents P-R1-26-A up to P-R1-26-L-1. A total of 11 documents, I think you've been furnished with a copy?

No, Your Honor. We have not... Kindly

furnish opposing counsel with a copy.

And it's also being flashed on the screen, counsel.

If I may, Your Honor.

Yes, Honorable Suwan?

For the record, may we be allowed to identify these documents that defense has agreed to stipulate upon?

Yes, you're referring to P-R1-3 up to... P-R1-25-I-1?

No, Your Honor. We are referring to P-R1-26-20. Ah,

the

ones on

the

screen. Yes, Your Honor. For the viewing public and for the record.

Yes, you may read the documents. All 11 of them. For the information of the counsel as well and the senator-judges while the counsel is going over it. You may proceed,

The Honorable Swan.

Thank you, Your Honor. So the first letter The first document is the letter of Vice President Sara Z. Duterte to Honorable Joel Chua, Chairperson of the CGGPA, dated September 23, 2024, where the Vice President informed the committee that she will not attend the deliberations of the CGGPA and requested to terminate the inquiry. The second document is the letter of Attorney Zuleika T. Lopez, Undersecretary and Chief of Staff, OVP. to Honorable Joel R. Chua, Chairperson, CGGPA, dated October 7, 2024, where Attorney Zuleika Lopez responded to the show-cause order issued by the CGGPA to explain her failure to attend or respond to the invitations of the Committee. Number 3, the letter of Edward D. Fajarda to Honorable Joel Chua, Chairperson of the CGGPA, dated October 7, 2024, where Edward Fajarda responded to the show cause order issued by the CGGPA to explain his failure to attend or respond to the invitations of the committee. Number 4, Letter of Attorney Rosaline Sanchez, Director, Administrative and Financial Services Office, OVP to Honorable Joel Chua, Chairperson of the CGGPA dated October 7, 2024. where OVP Director Rosaline Sanchez responded to the show-cause order issued by the CGGPA to explain her failure to attend or respond to the invitations of the committee. Your Honor, we also manifest that these documents have been previously marked and the current one has been marked as P-R1-26-D as shown on the screen, Your Honor, as well as the previous documents, which were already previously marked.

So the fifth document is the letter of Lemuel G. Ortonio, Assistant Secretary, OVP, to Honorable Joel Archua, Chairperson, CGGPA, dated October 7, 2024, where OVP ASEC Lemuel Ortonio responded to the show-cause order issued by the CGGPA to explain his failure to attend or respond. to the invitations of the committee. This was also previously marked as P-R1-26-E, sixth document. The position paper of Attorney Lopez et al. dated November 5, 2024, where Attorney Lopez, Ms. Acosta, spouses Edward and Sunshine Fajarda et al. refused to attend the CGGPA hearings and requested for termination of the inquiry by the CGGPA. This was previously marked, Your Honor, as P-R1-26-F. Seventh document, the position paper of OVP employees dated November 5, 2024, where the OVP employees refused to attend the CGGPA hearings and requested for termination of the inquiry by the CGGPA. This was previously marked as P-R1

26-G. Eighth document, the letter of Gina Acosta, Sunshine Shari Fajarda, and Edward Fajarda to Honorable Joel Chua, chairperson of CGGPA, dated November 12, 2024, where Gina Acosta and spouses Edward and Sunshine Fajarda responded to the contempt order and arrest order. for their failure to attend the CGGPA hearing and this was previously marked as P-R1-26-H. Ninth, letter of Attorney Zuleika T. Lopez under Secretary and Chief of Staff, OVP, to Honorable Joel Chua, Chairperson, CGGPA, dated November 24, 2024, where Attorney Zuleika Lopez attempted to excuse her appearance in the CGGPA hearing, and this was previously marked as P-R1-26-I. Number 10, letter of Gamaliel A. Cordoba, Chairperson, Commission on Audit, with subject, Compliance with Sapina Duchesnecum, dated August 16, 2024, addressed to Honorable Sal Dico, Chairperson, Committee on Appropriations, dated August 21, 2024 where COA informed the Committee on Appropriations of the COA's compliance with the Sapina-Duches-Tecum for OVP and DepEd documents. This was marked as P-R1-26-K-1.

And

last, the letter of Attorney Zuleika Lopez under Secretary and Chief of Staff, OVP. to Honorable Gamaliel Cordova, Chairperson, COA, dated August 21, 2024, where Attorney Zuleika Lopez told the COA not to comply with the subpoena by the Committee on Appropriations and refused submission of the OVP and DPED documents. This was previously marked as P-R1-26-L-1. That is it, Your Honor.

Thank you.

Comment, Attorney Linden?

Your Honor, we confirm our stipulation as to the documents mentioned by the prosecution that these documents are transmitted to the archives and the archives are the custodian of these documents, Your Honor.

Having so stipulated, counsel, any other thing? Given that these are your four offers, I don't believe there is a need to present this witness before the court.

Your Honor, there is still the matter of that certification that the witness issued as to the identity of these documents, the identity and faithful reproduction of these documents. If counsel will agree to stipulate, then that would be welcomed.

May we show the certification on the screen, Your Honor?

It's not so much the certification, but I guess... Without prejudice to proof being presented by counsel for the respondents that these are not faithful reproductions of the original on file, then we can presume regularity. Correct, counsel? We are amenable to that proposition, Your Honor. We can presume regularity, Honorable Suwan. Unless proof later on during cross at any stage of the trial is presented regarding the inaccuracy of these documents, we can already... Counsel is willing to stipulate. Thereby dispensing again with this witness.

Your Honor.

Who's speaking? Yes, Honorable Son.

If Council is willing to stipulate as to the certification, then for the record, may we have the certification marked as P-R1-26.

It has already been marked previously. It's been

marked, yes.

Just

for the record.

Thank you. So, can we dispense with this witness, Honorable Son?

Yes, Your Honor.

Ms. Pareja, you are excused. Kindly send our regards to Cesar over there.

Thank

you, Your Honor.

And we thank you for your time and for coming over. Thank you for your patience as well.

Thank you, sir.

Call

your next witness, the Honorable Sua. If you're going to be the one to stand up, call your next witness, Honorable Chua.

Your Honor, may we request Attorney Ligutan, counsel for the prosecution, to be recognized for the presentation of our next witness, Your Honor.

Attorney Ligutan is recognized for the presentation of the prosecutor's next witness. Attorney Ligutan, you may proceed when you're ready.

Your Honor, we were expecting to present the witness at a bit later time.

May move for a quick recess. Two minutes, Your Honor, please.

Brief

recess is declared.

The Clerk of Court is directed to kindly escort and situate Ms. Gina Acosta to the witness stand for her testimony.

Kindly place the witness under oath, Atty. Bantog.

Please raise your right hand, ma'am.

You, Gina F. Acosta, do swear that the evidence you shall give in the case now pending between the Philippines and Vice President Cyrus Girmayman Duterte shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God.

Miss Gina, and also for the information of the Council for the Parties, we have on hand a nurse from the Senate and on call the doctors of the Senate. given that in the last appearance of Ms. Gina before the House, I believe, medyo tumaas po yung presyon ninyo. So we're just exercising some precautions with respect to this, but please try to be relaxed.

Attorney Ligutan, your witness.

Thank

you so

much, Your Honor, please.

Mr. Presiding Officer, our senator-judges,

The prosecution presents the first hostile or hostile witness in this impeachment trial. The testimony of the first, we'll pronounce it as hostile, we're accustomed to hostile.

Ang

testigo, testimonya ng kauna-unahang hostile witness sa impeachment trial na ito is

being presented to prove Ang mga sumusunod, layo ng prosecution na ipresenta o iharap si Gina Acosta bilang isang hostile witness. Ibig sabihin hindi po siya testigo pabor sa prosecution.

Pangalawa, si Ms. Acosta ay nanunungkulan ngayon bilang Vice Presidential Staff Officer VI sa Office of the Vice President. Pangatlo, Siya ay nagsilbing Special Disbursing Officer or SDO ng Office of the Vice President noong taong 2022 at 2023.

Pangapat, siya rin ang nagsilbing SDO para sa Confidential Funds noong the Mayor Sara Duterte sa Davao City mula taong 2019. hanggang 2022. Panglima, siya ang naging staff member sa Davao City Administrator's Office sa pagitan ng mga taong 2016 at 2022 at ng Davao City Budget Office sa panunungkulan noon ni Mayor Sara Zimmerman Duterte. Panganim, sa last quarter o huling tatlong buwan, ng 2022, ginastos ng OVP or Office of the Vice Presidents ang halagang 125 million pesos na confidential funds sa loob lamang ng labing isang araw sa ilalim at pamamahala at pangangasiwa ng Vice Presidente ng walang liquidation ng hindi kumpleto o walang sapat na dokumento na nagpapatunay sa pagbabayad. Pangpito. Rather, pangwalo. Inatasa ng Vice Presidente ang witness na i-encash ang kabuuhang halaga na 500 million pesos or kalahating bilyon noong ikadalawampu ng Disyembre 2022, ikaanim ng Prebrero, ikadalawamputlima ng Abril, at ikalabingapat ng Hulyo 2023.

I

skip number seven, sorry. Sa tatlong taon, sorry, sa tatlong three-quarters ng 2023, ginastos ng OVP. Ang halagang 375 million na confidential funds sa ilalim ng pamamahala at pangangasiwa ng vice-presidente ng walang liquidation, ng hindi, wastong liquidation rather, ng hindi kompleto o walang sapat na mga dokumento na nagpapatunay sa pagbabayan. Let's go to number nine.

Ang lahat ng confidential funds na inilaan sa OVP ay nawithdraw in cold cash na nagkakahalagang kalahating bilyong piso noong December 20, 2022, February 6, April 25, at July 14, 2023. Pang-sampo, inutusan ni VP Sara na ibigay ang kabuuhang Half a billion pesos, 500 million pesos in cold cash sa security officer ng OVP na si Colonel La Chica na hindi isang accountable officer, isang paglabag sa batas sa Joint Circular 2015-01. Panglabing isa. Ang ginagawang disbursements ng confidential funds sa ilalim ng Office of the Vice President. Ang ginawang disbursements ay maraming bahid o namumutakti sa pagsuway at paglabag sa Joint Circular 2015-01. Dabing dalawa, bigo ang respondent, Vice President, na maliquidate ang kabuuhang halaga. na half a billion pesos na pera ng bayan, 500 million pesos alinsunod sa demand or kahingian ng Joint Circular Act 2015-01. Panglabing tatlo,

dahil dito maituturing na ginastos ng Vice Presidente sa pansariling gamit at kapakinabangan

ang half a billion pesos na pera ng bayan na confidential funds ng Office of the Vice President. Lastly, Your Honor, please, tutukuyin ng witness ang mga dokumentong may kaugnayan sa mga aligasyong nakasaan sa articles of impeachment.

That's for the offer.

Comment, Atty. Bacuel?

Your Honor, for purposes number 2 and 3, we are willing to stipulate We note that for purpose 3, this was already part of the admissions of the parties in the pre-trial order.

And it's contained in part 1A, item 2.8 of the pre-trial order, Your Honor. For purpose number 4 and 5, as regards the confidential funds in Davao City and the position of the witness as STO of Davao City, We would like to object on the ground of irrelevance, Your Honor, considering that for the simple reason that the confidential funds in Davao City are not part of the allegations in the articles of impeachment. So there's really no fact in issue to be proved by the testimony of the witness, Your Honor. And for all the other purposes, Your Honor, these are subject to cross-examination.

What does Attorney Ligutan say with respect to counsel's stipulation to your second and third offer? The stipulation

is well taken, Your Honor, please. So, therefore, it is established na si Ms. Acosta ay ngayon nanunungkulan bilang Vice Presidential Staff, Offer 6, saka nagsilbi siyang Special Dispersing Officer noong taong 2022 saka 2023. However, Your Honor, please, yung punto na walang relevance yung naging pagsisilbi as SDO para sa confidential funds mula 2019 saka 2022 saka I think union, di ba? Your Honor, please, we beg to disagree. It is very much relevant, very much relevant in today's proceedings considering, Your Honor, please, that it is her experience as the SDO of Davao City. in those inclusive years that led the Vice President to also bring her to the office of the Vice President and do and do the things they did in Davao City this time with the money of the office of the Vice President. That is very much relevant to the prosecution's case, Your Honor, please.

May I respond, Your Honor?

Yes, before the Presiding Officer makes a ruling, Counsel.

Yes, Your Honor. The rebuttal presented by the prosecution is wrong considering that there's no such allegation in the articles of impeachment, Your Honor. Moreover, Your Honor, it is clear in the ruling of the Supreme Court in Duterte v. House of Representatives that the basis of any charge must be for acts committed.

In relation to the impeachable office and within the term of the impeachable officer, Your Honor.

Your Honor, can I make a quick rebuttal to the last point?

No

need, counsel. The presiding officer will make a ruling. The court will allow it given that it is for the purpose of establishing pattern and or behavior on the part of the witness. But to be clear, that whatever she says with respect to acts committed by her in relation to the vice president now while she was a mayor in Davao City is not part. of this impeachment trial and will not in any way add to the charges that has been filed and are pending before this court under the four articles of impeachment as previously ruled by the chair in previous requests for subpoena, for example. However, may I ask counsel further to abbreviate the proceedings? Attorney Bacal. Are you willing to stipulate that the witness is a hostile witness and therefore counsel may ask leading questions already instead of qualifying the witness as a hostile witness?

No, Your Honor. The prosecution must first qualify the witness as hostile, Your Honor. Then

qualify her, Atty. Ligutan. We will. We shall. Qualify her. You may proceed when you're ready.

Madam Witness, Mayong Buntag.

Mayong Buntag, Saab.

Ma'am, Your Honor, pwede bang magpaduulgamay sa ating grupo? Can you draw closer to the microphone?

Okay, okay. Salamat po.

How are you, Madam Witness?

Okay, okay, Jutay.

Okay, okay, Jutay. Ibig sabihin, I'm a bit fine. Madam Witness, natay tubig. We have water.

Excuse me, sir.

Opo.

Sir, pwede diniligbog na natin rin. Okay.

Your Honor, ingon ng witness, sabi po ng witness, puwede bang hindi po malamig yung tubig? Um,

the, uh, OSAA is directed to kindly give her... Ma'am Gina, you prefer warm water? Hindi naman daw po malamig yan, pero baka dahil sir ko nalang lumamig.

Ano lang po, sir, yung kung merong maligam-gam,

maligam-gam na lang po. Bakit bigyan na lang po ng maligam-gam?

Salamat po.

You're welcome, ma'am. You may proceed, Atty. Ligutan. Salamat, ma'am.

Why are you here today, if you know?

Na ako diri tungod sa akong subpoena.

Nagipatawag ko diri sa Senado, Pitsa, August.

With your permission, Atty. Ligutan, kung papahintulutan niyo po, Ms. Gina, pwede po gamitin po ninyo para mas maunawaan ang

mas nakararami, Ingles o Pilipino sa pagsagot?

Your Honor, pwede po haluan ng Bisaya, Your Honor.

Sige po, basta matranslate ni Atty. Legutan without any objection from the respondent yung ibang mga kataga o salita. Your Honor, may

we request an interpreter from this honorable court if this honorable court would allow? so that the defense would be able to easily understand the statements of the

witness. We have a senator-judge who can interpret but I doubt if I can do that or will do that. Okay.

Ma'am, Your Honor, I have a proposition. Ma'am Acosta, alala ko when you testified before the Committee on Good Government sa House of Representatives, ma'am, we spoke in Tagalog then sinigitan natin ng Our great Bisaya language. Pero po, para po mas mabilis, kung po pwede po, let's try as much as we could po to speak Tagalog. Kung po pwede lang ha. And then, if you really have to speak Bisaya, then of course, hindi po pinagbabawal yan. We should be proud of it. Pero kung po pwede po, Tagalog po tayo.

I-try po na po, sir. I will try my best po.

Let's try our best po, madam.

Sige, ma'am. While we're looking for a court-appointed or selected translator to get an official translation, hanggang kaya, ma'am. Pero kung hindi po, kung hindi po kayang gamitin ang ingles o wikang Pilipino, gamitin niyo po ang Bisaya o Cebuano. Subukan po naming unawain at interpret. Alright. You

may proceed, Attorney Legudan.

Salamat. Ma'am, sinabi mo, andito ka kasi nga pinasabbi na ka. Pinasabbi na ng impeachment court, di ba po ba?

Yes po.

Ma'am, na-mention din, na nasabi rin na ikaw ay isang special disbursing officer, hindi lang sa Davao City, pati na rin. So, office of the Vice President. Yung tanong now is, what funds?

Anong klaseng pondo po yung didi-disperse nyo bilang isang special disbursing officer po?

Confidential funds po, Your Honor.

Confidential funds. So, na-mention mo yung confidential funds. Now, sinabi mo, ma'am, na ikaw ay andito. Kasi nga, napasabpi na ka. Ma'am, yung tanong ma'am is, ito po ba ang unang pagkakataon na kayo ay napasabpi na para tumistigo?

This is my second time. Pangalawang time na po ito, Your Honor.

And then, pag sinabi niyo pong pangalawang time, ma'am, kailan yun? Kailan yung unang pagkakataon?

Yung pong sa House of Representatives, Your Honor.

Now, House of Representatives. Maalala nyo yung PETSA, Ma'am? Kailan kayo nag-appear before the House of Representatives?

November, November 2025.

Taon po is?

Anong taon?

No, 2025.

Hindi po 2024?

2020.

Sandali lang sir ha. Sige,

sige. Anyways ma'am, basta sinasabi niyo po, secondary na po yung taon because it's on record naman. Pero nasabi niyo, ito po yung pangalawang pagkakataon na kayo ay naimbitahan po na tumistigo. kasi po may sabi na. Now, yung tanong ma'am is, this is preliminary question, ikaw ba ay nakatanggap na ng isang reklamong kriminal or administratiba na may pagkakaugnay sa paggamit ng confidential funds?

Pleading, Your Honor. Exactly, I just said preliminary, Your Honor. Preliminary, counsel,

witness may answer?

Wala, Your Honor. Aha.

So, sinasabi mo, Ma'am, na wala pa kayong natatanggap na reklamo. Yun po yung sagot nyo, diba? Ma'am, ipinapakita ko ngayon, Ma'am, yung isang counter-epidemic.

Okay? Your Honor, I move that the Prosecution Council, Attorney Jay, be allowed to confront the witness with the documents. And we'll be, that is a continuing motion because we'll be doing that for the rest of the remainder of the testimony, Your Honor.

Assisting counsels from both parties may approach.

Your Honor. Yes. Yes, Attorney Baquel.

May we know the purpose of the questioning of the prosecution?

Your Honor, I am tempted to state that but we are leading there. We are about to establish the ground for to make this witness an hostile witness. May we not be

preempted, Your Honor? You answered the query of counsel. You may

proceed. Your Honor, please. This witness, Madam Acosta, is facing a complaint together with the Vice President exactly because of their misuse of confidential funds. Your Honor. It is stated in the witnesses' counter-affidavit that the Vice President is not responsible or should not be held liable for any misuse of confidential funds. Your Honor, that interest is directly adverse to the prosecution's case before this impeachment court. The prosecution seeks to prove otherwise that this witness, that the Vice President, rather, is responsible for the illegal disbursement of confidential funds. Therefore, if on one hand, sinasabi ng testigo sa counter-affidavit niya na walang pagkakasala yung Vice President sa maling paggamit ng confidential funds, that's on one hand. On the other hand naman, sinasabi ng prosecution, Your Honor, please, na no, hindi, may ebidensya, it's so clear, na kailangan, kailangan.

Managot yung Vice President for misusing public funds. Now, this is the time, Your Honor, please. Okay? If the Good Counsel will allow,

with the presentation of a counter-affidavit by the witness stating under oath that the Vice President did not misuse confidential funds in direct conflict

With the prosecution's case, Your Honor, please, we now invoke Section 13, Rule 132 of the Revised Rules and Evidence, if the court may allow.

Your Honor, according to Section 13, Rule 132, a witness may be considered as an unwilling or hostile if so declared by the courts upon adequate showing. Yun yung una po, Your Honor. Adverse interests.

Miss Acosta, the witness, has an adverse interest in this case as her position as shown sa counter-affidavit niya is clearly inconsistent with the position of the prosecution that called her as a witness. The prosecution presents her to prove that the respondent misappropriated confidential funds. Sa kabilang panig, sinasabi ni Ms. Acosta, yung Vice President complied sa lahat ng rules saka batas sa paggamit ng confidential funds. Sinasabi ni Ms. Acosta, hindi nag-misuse si Vice Presidente Sara Duterte ng kahit isang sentimo ng confidential funds. We now invoke the case of People v. Che Chun Ting. GR number 130-568-69 dated March 21, 2000. Supreme Court dealt with a hostile witness. Kasi nga adverse yung interest doon. Sinasabi sa kaso ngayon, having an adverse interest meant, eto, that the position or interest was adverse to what the party called or wanted to establish or prove. yun po yung bataya ng Supreme Court. Kung yung posisyon ng isang witness ay salungat sa posisyon ng partidong nagpapatawag sa kanya, sa kaso ng

iyan, sabi ng

Supreme Court, established na po yung requirement ng adverse interests sa ilalim ng rules of courts.

Your Honor, the respondent respectfully submits that the adverse interest must be shown by the prosecution through an examination of the witness and not through a mere motion or manifestation, Your Honor.

He just did, counsel, by showing the position taken by the witness in her counter-affidavit.

Additionally, Your Honor, the defense also submits that the mere fact of dependency of the criminal case This not satisfy the requirement of adverse interest under the rules of evidence, considering that it apparently constitutes to a mere expectation that the witness will testify unfavorably to the prosecution, which is not within the ambit of the rules. Considering that the declaration of a witness as hostile presupposes that the prosecution would face difficulty in obtaining answers from the witness on account of such adverse interests, Your Honor.

Allow the presiding officer. Ms. Gina? Saan po kayo nagtatrabaho ngayon sa Office of the Vice President? Tama po?

Yes, Your Honor.

Sino po ang boss niyo sa Office of the Vice President?

Si Vice President Sara Duterte.

Permanente po ba kayo doon o coterminous?

Coterminous po, Your Honor.

So pag wala na si VP Sara doon sa OBP, wala na rin po kayo?

Yes, Your Honor.

So pag na-impeach si VP Sara o matanggal siya, wala na rin po kayong trabaho doon?

Wala na po akong trabaho sa OVP.

Sa OVP, syempre. Maalis kayo sa OVP. Tama po?

Yes, Your Honor.

In addition to the ground raised by Attorney Ligutan, that witness has taken a position by virtue of her counter-affidavit filed before the Office of the Ombudsman. The court hereby declares the witness to be a hostile witness under and in accordance with Rule 132, Section 13. However, for the information of the senator-judges and the public and councils as well, this only gives Attorney Ligutan the right to ask leading questions, still not allowed to ask misleading questions. As I know, Attorney Ligutan is well aware of the distinction.

Yes, Your Honor.

Okay. To abbreviate the proceedings, the witness is so declared and Attorney Ligutan may ask leading questions of this witness. It's ordered.

Maraming salamat. Madam Witness, kayo po, ma'am, ay isang hostile witness na. So, ma'am, I can now ask you questions. Sorry for a brief beside. Pero, ma'am, wala tanag-away, ha? We are not enemies. Okay? Andito po tayo sa isang bagay lang. Ano yung totoo? kung sa'y tinuod, kung sa'y kamaturan. Let's proceed. Madam Witness, you already mentioned, in fact established, na bago ka naging SDO para sa Office of the Vice President, ikaw rin ang SDO na nag-a-handle ng confidential funds po para sa Davao City. Alala mo po ba yan? Your Honor. That's preliminary, preliminary, Your Honor.

Atty. Baquel?

are at issue in this case, Your Honor. Can I respond

to

that,

Your Honor, please?

The Chair already made a ruling in regard to that, Attorney Baquel. We will allow it to establish pattern and or behavior but not to add to the articles of impeachment against the Vice President. That is quite clear. Not only to counsels, but also to the senator-judges and for the public as well. But the Chair would like to note, if you would like to make one, a continuing objection insofar as this line of questioning is concerned. Yes, Your Honor. Continuing objection of counsel to this line of questioning is hereby noted. Thank you so

much. We are also, we

will be continually invoking isang rule sa rules a procedure Rule 130, Section 35. Exactly. I think that's what the honorable presiding officer had in mind. Rule 130, Section 5. Allowing presentation of evidence on previous acts to prove specific intent, knowledge, identity, plan, system, scheme, habit, custom, usage, or the like.

maaintindihan ng ating mga kababayan, pattern. May pattern.

May proceed, Your Honor? You may proceed, counsel.

Thank you. So therefore, madam, yung paghahandle po ng confidential funds hindi na bago sa inyo. Tama po ba?

Ano po, Your Honor? Pamilya lang po ako sa pagiging SDO, Special Disbursement Officer.

Alright, now. And ma'am, familiar din po kayo sa mga dokumento or reports na kailangang ihanda bago po magamit

ng

isang opisina gaya ng Office of the Vice President ng Confidential Funds. Tama po ba?

Opo, Your Honor. Opo.

Thank you so much, ma'am. In fact, madam,

You are familiar with Joint Circular 2015-01. In particular, nakasaad dyan, paragraph 4.2. May we be allowed, Your Honor, please, to... Ayan. Ma'am, nakasulat po sa paragraph 4.2 ng Joint Circular 2015-01 na lahat ng allocations ng confidential funds Dapat supported by yung unang dokumento, ma'am, nakasulat dyan, physical and financial plan. Familiar po kayo sa provision na ito, ma'am, di ba?

Yes, Your Honor. Okay,

ma'am. Salamat po. Now, according sa provision na ito, ang pagdi-disperse, okay, ang paggagamit, Ma'am, what's Visaya for disbursement? Kung alam niyo po. Ano ba yung Visaya? What term do we use? Cebuano-Visaya for disbursement?

Ang pag-release.

Pag-release. Okay. Kailangan base yan sa physical and financial plan. Okay. Therefore, hindi po pwede na may marirelease na confidential funds kung walang tinatawag na PFP. No? physical and financial plan. Tama po ba?

Tama po, Your Honor.

Tama po, ma'am. Di po ba, ma'am, kinukumpirma mo na para sa ikaapat at huling quarter ng 2022 para mairelease yung 125 million pesos na confidential funds, sinasabi niyo, nag-comply naman yung Office of the Vice President sa kinakailangang physical and financial plan. Tama po ba?

Yes, Your Honor.

Tama po ba? Now, in fact, ma'am, pumerma ka at nagsumiti kayo ng isang physical and financial plan na yung petsa is December 13, 2022. Tama po ba, ma'am?

Hindi ko maalala exactly ang number, Your Honor, pero nag-himot niyo physical financial plan.

Dagnaghimo, Your Honor, means gumawa sila ng

physical and

financial plan. Thank you so much. Now, so para po maalala natin, ma'am, ipapakita natin ngayon yung isang physical and financial plan.

Mark as P-I-14-1 for the prosecution. Show the document on the screen.

and to the witness.

Ma'am, yung physical and financial plan, ipinirmahan po ni Rosalyn Sanchez tsaka ni Sara Z. Duterte. Tama po ba?

Yes, Your Honor.

Now, maalala mo now yung dokumentong ito. Tama po ba?

Yes, Your Honor. And

then, base sa dokumentong ito, ma'am, sinasabi dyan, ikaw yung tinatawag natin na Project Accountable Officer. Tama po ba?

Opo, Your Honor.

In fact, ma'am, you will also confirm na pinirmahan niyo po yung PFP as the Project Accountable Officer. Nakasulat dyan, ma'am. Diba, ma'am, nakasulat dyan? Prepared by. Ibig sabihin, kayo po, ma'am, yung nag-prepare.

ng PFP. Based on document. Based on document.

Yes, Your Honor, pero during paghimuan ni Your Honor, kasama ko po ang aming security officer, Your Honor.

By paghimuan, it means while we were making this, I was with the our security officer. Ma'am, tama po yung interpretation ko, di po ba?

Kasama ko po ang aming security officer, Your Honor, kasi Sa kanya po ako nakihingi ng mga inputs or guidelines in preparation for the fiscal financial plan.

Maraming salamat for that. But we will go into that, ma'am. We will go into that. Taabot po tayo sa punto niyan. Okay po, ma'am? Now, ma'am, bilang po project accountable officer, ikaw nakasulat dyan, ikaw yung nagprepara ng plano, ikaw din. being the officer, accountable officer. Yung naglista ng mga confidential funds. Ma'am, yung paglista, ma'am, ha? Yung tanong ko, ha? Paglista ng confidential funds, programs, and activities na nasusulat sa physical and financial plan. Di po ba?

Pwede usabon, Your Honor, ang question.

Ako usabon, ma'am, no? Bilang project accountable officer.

The one who prepared the plan, ikaw din yung naglista. Yung naglista ba?

Tulad.

Sa plano, sa plan, ano yung mga programa at activities? Yung paglilista po. Kayo po yun, di ba? As the project accountable officer, the one who prepared the plan. Tama po ba?

Tama po with the...

tulong po ng security officer. Yes, ma

'am.

We'll go into that. Ma'am, let's continue. Now, makikita natin sa plano, ma'am, na inlistan nyo under the column programs with an S, activities with an S, projects with an S,

PAP. Ma'am, ano yung nakasulat dyan? Ano yung programa sa mga programs?

activities, projects. Anong programa yung sinulat niyo dyan? Good governance program.

Sorry, Your Honor. Hadikai. Dilikayo ko.

Dilikayo ko kabasa, Your Honor, kay Gagmay Kayo ang letra. The

witness

said hindi niya kayang basahin dahil maliit yung mga letra.

So, you can peruse the document even without. Okay? Pwede ba mas? Ayan, ma'am, di ba?

Good governance program.

Attorney Ligutan, if you're approaching the witness, kindly bring the mic para hindi mahirapan yung ating gumagawa ng TSN.

Alright.

Now, ma'am, okay

na po ba?

Okay po.

Ma'am, now, yung tanong is, ano ba

itong

good governance program na ito? What is this all about?

Ito po yung mga programa ng opisina ng Office of the Vice President na nakalista na po sa buong taon. Halimbawa po, yung libring sakay, yung plant at risk millionaires, or million, kalimutan ko sir, libring sakay, yung financial, medical, Medical assistance, Your

Honor. Okay. So, ma'am, yun yung mga sinasabi mong mga programa under this program. Yun yung sinasabi mo, di ba? Ma'am, sino po yung nag-conceptualize? Sino pong bumuo o nag-isip ng programang ito?

Ang opisina po ng Office of the Vice President, Your Honor, with coordination po sa aming security officer.

Now. Kailan po nabuo ang planong ito?

Sa security officer naman, yung nag-conceptualize, di po ba,

ng

mga planong ito?

Repeat, Your Honor, sa question.

Sino yung kailan na conceptualize? Ito yung tanong. Kailan nabuo or napag-isipan or na-conceptualize itong good governance program? Kailan?

Sa pag... Sa pag ano na, Your Honor, pag kimo na o pag-request na ni Ma'am VP ng confidential funds.

When the Vice President requested for confidential funds. Ma'am, may mga pag-aaral ba o pagsasaliksik na ginawa ang inyong opisina to come up with the program?

Wala akong personal knowledge, Anna, Your Honor.

May proseso ba o kriteriya na ginamit to select of all programs, good governance programs? Wala po.

Wala akong kabalo, Your Honor.

By wala'y kabalo, it means wala po akong personal knowledge. Wala po akong alam.

Ma'am.

We're fine here, okay?

Let's continue, Your Honor. You may continue, counsel, but the public is reminded to kindly put their phones in silent mode.

Okay, now.

Ma'am,

sinabi niyo, ma'am, na wala po kayong alam, wala kayong personal knowledge, kasi po, hindi naman po ikaw yung nag-identify ng mga programa. Tsaka mga activities na nakasulat sa 2022 Physical and Financial Plan. Tama po ba?

Tama po, Your Honor.

In fact, ma'am, you will admit, confirm, na noong November 25, 2024, yung pagdinig ng Committee on Good Governments and Accountability, you

merely ask a security officer Colonel La Chica. What to state in the physical and financial plan as confidential activities in relation sa paggamit ng Office of the Vice President ng Confidential Funds. To aid your memory, Your Honor, please, we are showing on the screen, on the screen, a portion of the transcript of the Committee on Good Government and Accountability hearing. November 25, 2024 where sinasabi ng witness that all information that will be reflected in the physical and financial plan of the Office of the Vice President which she prepared galing lang sa isang security officer si Colonel Achica.

Siya po ang nagbigay sa akin ng inputs, Your Honor, or mga guidelines, Your Honor, kung ano po ang mga activities in relation po sa pagkandak po ng confidential operations or activities.

Salamat, ma'am. Ma'am, who is this Colonel La Chica?

Si

Colonel La Chica po ay siya po ang commanding officer ng aming BPSPG, at siya din ang aming security officer ng Office of the Vice President.

Si Colonel La Chica, yung full name niya po ay si Colonel Raymond Dante La Chica. Tama po ba?

Muna yung full name, Your Honor.

Yun yung full name niya. Now, thank you so much. Nag-agsalamat, ma'am. Now, hindi po ba na-aside po na si La Chica? Colonel La Chica yung magsasabi sa iyo ano yung isusula sa plan, hindi po ba na the same? Colonel La Chica, yung nagbibigay sa iyo ng mga listahan ng object of expenditures where the confidential funds will be used. Ma'am, before you answer that, to remind you, eto naman, page 126 po ng transcript of the C. GGPA hearing dated November 25, 2024.

Nakasaad dyan, inamin niyo, under oath ma'am, na iyong nagbibigay sa iyo ng listahan ng object of expenditures, paano gagamitin yung confidential funds.

Ikaw po yung nagprepara, pero si Col. La Chica yung nagsasabi sa iyo sa mga listahan ng paggagamitan ng confidential funds. Based on that transcript. Tama po ba?

Sorry, Your Honor, nalibog ko sa imahang question. Taas man kaayo.

We have to clarify. By nalibog, ibig sabihin, confused. Na-confused po. Now, ma'am, base po sa November 25, 2024 hearing, inamin niyo po na si Colonel La Chica yung nagbibigay sa iyo ng listahan ng Object of Expenditures for Confidential Funds. Tama po ba?

Object of Expenditures. Yes, Your Honor. Yes, Your

Honor. Nag

-agsalamat, ma'am. Ma'am, eto na yung tanong, ma'am.

Isn't it po na yung paggagawa, pagpre-prepara ng plano, tsaka yung pagdidetali, pagdidetali ng Objects of

expenditures,

hindi po ba trabaho niyo yun? Bilang

special

disbursing officer being the project accountable officer as indicated in the plan prepared by. Hindi po ba dapat kayo yun?

Counsel for the respondent. We respectfully

object, Your Honor. on the ground of being compound and argumentative, Your Honor.

Objection is overruled. Witness may answer.

Pakisagot po yung tanong, Ma 'am

Gina.

Your Honor, pwede po usbon ang iyang pangutana. Taas mang good, Your Honor. Yes, Ma

'am. I will, Ma'am. Para kay Gina Acosta, I will do that. Ma'am.

Salamat.

Okay now, hindi po ba na yung pagdadraft ng physical and financial plan, trabaho niyo bilang project accountable officer as indicated by the note prepared by in the plan. Di ba trabaho niyo dapat yan?

Trabaho ko po yan with the inputs or guidelines sa aming security officer, Your Honor. Yes,

ma'am. Ma'am, hindi po ba? na yung paglilista ng expenditures, ma'am, sa planong iyan, as indicated by the note, prepared by you being the project accountable officer, hindi po ba trabaho niyo rin po yan?

Objection, Your Honor. Ask and answer.

Wala, iba yun. Yung kanina was drafting, now is detailing of the list of expenses.

Kindly address the court, counsel.

Witness may answer.

Ano po yun, sir?

Ma'am, kanina sinabi mo yung pag-prepare para trabaho niyo with inputs ni Colonel Chica. Yung tanong nao is, yung paglilista, pagdidetalye ng expenditures. Opo, di ba trabaho niyo rin po yan as SDO slash Project Accountable Officer as indicated by the note, prepared by.

Ang pagsulat po, ako, pero ang... Ang mga expenses po kung unsa ang gamiton kay Sir, kay security officer po kasi siya po ang mag-implement ng various confidential operation activities. Kaya siya po ang eksperto dito sa ground, Your Honor.

So therefore, ma'am, kayo po yung taga-sulat sa lahat ng gustong ispasulat ni Colonel Achica. Tama po ba?

Misleading, Your Honor. Misleading, counsel. The witness did not say that. She said she was getting inputs from Colonel La Chica. Your Honor, that's a follow-up question, Your Honor,

please. That's a

follow-up question. So I'm confirming with her that it was Colonel La Chica who told her what to write, what to input. That's the question, Your Honor, please. On the basis of her previous answer that it was with the inputs of Colonel La Chica. So that's a question by itself, Your Honor, please. A follow-up question.

Ma'am Gina, kayo po ang nagta-type dito sa form na to. Pag sinabing prepared by you, kayo po yung nag-type, nag-sulat.

Ako po ang nag-sulat, Your Honor.

Pero kinukuha niyo po yung sinusulat ninyo mula kay Colonel Lachica. Kumukuha po kayo ng input sa kanya kung anong ita-type o isusulat niyo dyan.

After we discuss, po, Your Honor.

Pagkatapos niyo mag-usap ni Colonel Lachica.

Opo, Your Honor.

Ibig sabihin po ba nun, pwede niyong sabihin kay Colonel Lachica, maliyag. Hindi pwede yan.

O

sinusunod niyo lang po lahat ng sinasabi niya?

Mangutana, nangutana ako sa iya, Your Honor, kung unsan na, Your Honor, ngano ka na ang gastuhon, Your Honor, asa na, paunsan na siya maka, maka, paunsan na siya na related sa confidential, Your Honor.

So tinatanong niyo lang po siya, ano yan, para saan yan, pasok ba yan sa confidential, paano hindi, at pag sumagot siya, isusunod niyo po yan.

Kung ma-satisfy ko po sa iyong i-explain sa ko ay Your Honor.

Pag nakontento kayo sa paliwanag niya, ilalagay niyo po.

Yes, Your Honor. Okay. Tony Ligudan,

your witness. Thank you so much. Now, going back, Madam Witness, going to the physical and financial plan for the so-called Good Governance Program, you will confirm you allocated 125 million pesos. Tama po ba?

Yes, Your Honor.

In facts, ma'am, as can be seen, show the plan again.

You

did not list specific activities under the good governance program. Ulitin ko, wala po kayong inilista ng mga specific particular activities under the good governance program. Wala po kayong nakalistang specific activities.

Objection, Your Honor. Original document rule, Your Honor. Can

I explain? Can I rebut that? Witness may... What's your comment, Attorney Legutan? Your Honor, I would not... I don't want to put the defense on the spot. Your Honor, please. That is, with all respect, a wrong invocation of the original document rule. The original document rule simply states na hindi po pwede...

Hindi po puwedeng

magpresenta ng ebidensya na secondary kung hindi ipipresenta yung original. Pero Your Honor, the fact na yung original ay nasa harap na sa isang witness, I don't see anywhere in the rules that will prohibit counsel from propounding questions. on the basis of that document.

For

me...

Besides counsel, Atty. Bachel, the counsel is not trying to change the contents of the document. He's merely asking the witness to explain the contents of the document. Ms. Acosta, you may answer, ma'am. Ang nilagay niyo lamang po, good governance... Ano

po yan? Program po.

Programs at wala po kayo nilagay na detalye ng mga programang yan.

Wala po akong nilagay na detail, Your Honor, kasi sa GC po, Your Honor, wala naman po nakabutang dito na i-itemize, Your Honor.

Now, let's go to paragraph 6.1 ng Joint Circular 2015.

Okay, show it please.

Di po ba sa 6.1 sinasabi dyan? Cash advances shall be used for specific legal purpose.

At saka 5.2.2, nakasulat dyan, agencies shall report the specific detail of the corresponding expenditures. In two instances po, nakasulat sa joint circular yung term na specific. And you will stand by your answer. Argumentative, Your Honor. Wait, wait,

wait.

I'm just confirming. I'm just confirming. Despite these two provisions, you are of the opinion, Madam, na

walang requirement na dapat specific. Argumentative,

Your Honor. Objection is overruled. Witness will answer, please.

Your Honor, sa mga dokumento po nga i-attach dito sa confidential funds liquidation, dagahan po ang document, Your Honor, na i-submit ni mo nga na ay documents dito na kailangan i-itemize ni mo, Your Honor. In

the report. Your

Honor. sa isa sa

mga dokumento na i-attach nimo dito, i-liquidate nimo sa confidential funds, Your Honor.

Okay. Let me state that for the record. Correct me if I'm wrong, Ma'am Gina.

Yung binabanggit po niyong pag-comply, walang nakalagay specifically sa joint circular, na dapat specific yun, dun sa, what's that, counsel? physical and financial plan po. Pero sa dokumentong sinasubmit, nandoon na

yung mga detalye, ma'am Gina.

Inanak, Your Honor.

Yes, Your

Honor.

There is only, this is another question now. There is only a blanket program, general program, good governance program in the plan and the plan did not mention any surveillance operations by specific number, location or cost. Do you want me to repeat the question or you can answer now?

Objection, Your Honor. Askin answered and original document rule, Your Honor.

Not yet answered, counsel. And again, same ruling as your point on the original document rule. Ma

'am, yung tanong is, wala pong specific mention ng specific number, location, or cost ng mga sinasabi niyong surveillance operations. Wala doon sa plano, di po ba?

pwede mangutana, Your Honor, unsan ang documento, Your Honor. Katong

plano po, yung plano po, physical and financial plan. Nakasulat dyan, good governance program. Anyways, Your Honor, please.

At this juncture, I will agree with counsel for the respondent. Asked and answered, counsel. That's her answer. Thank you so much. Now, aside

from walang surveillance operations by number, location, or cost, wala ding specific targets nakasulat sa plano. for each of the program activities. Tama po ba? Walang specific targets this time.

By

all

means po.

For 2022, Your Honor,

saan

mo ang physical financial plan, Your Honor, na ikulong dito nga physical target, Your Honor?

Okay, mayroon. Ma'am, yung tanong is, nakasulat lang dyan is, ma'am o, number, period, of identified areas of surveillance conducted and monitored, and then yung pangalawa, letter B, yung ano lang, yung simbolo ng percentage, no? Percentage of activities implemented without specifying, una po, this is the

first question, ano yung actual number? Wala po, di po ba? Yes po?

Wala pa, Your Honor, kaya wala pa manay tabo. Plano pa manay, Your Honor.

Okay.

So wala pa kasi plano pa lang and then you asked for 125 million pesos. Kahit wala pang activities, plano pa lang. Tama po ba? Misleading, Your Honor.

That's a

follow-up question, Your Honor.

Objection is sustained.

Ask based on the document, counsel.

You're referring to the physical target only. Yes, sir. Yes,

sir. Now, nakalagay ba dyan yung actual number?

Yes or no? May numero ba?

Wala pa, Your Honor.

Okay. May naka-indicate ba na percentage, actual percentage under the category percentage of activities implemented? Wala po ba? Meron ba? Wala.

Wala pa, Your Honor. Pero gihimon na, Your Honor, kay naanay approval. Kung asa minakabalo, kung pila ang kwarta, Your Honor, kay naanay saru.

Now, okay. Ma'am. Kindly translate that for the record. Who can translate that, please?

It's indicated because there is already a saru. if the defense will stipulate on that interpretation.

You may

have

your own.

Your Honor.

The translation we're getting is it's not The number and percentage is not there. Yung percentage po at yung bilang, wala po doon. Dahil kaka-release pa lang ng SARO. Tama po ma'am?

Yes, Your Honor.

Okay. As best as we could, counsel. Please proceed.

Now, the 2022 physical and financial plan allocated, ma'am, nag-allocate po ng 125 billion pesos kahit walang breakdown ng amount for for each specific activity. Tama po ba?

As

you answered, Your Honor. There's another angle as to the amount relative to the activity as to the budget that the Office of the Vice President is asking. It's the

same point, Your Honor. Same point, Counsel. Move on. We get what you have established.

Thank you so much. Now, therefore, Madam Witness, yung

Office of the Vice President can just include, pupwedeng,

i

-include, i-sama ng Office of the Vice President sa liquidation reports ng kahit anong activity so

long as ililabel siya na parte ng broad good governance program. Do you want me to repeat the question or you can answer now?

I will.

Clarify, Your Honor. Your

Honor, if the court may allow, I will repeat the question. Therefore, madam, kasi nga walang breakdown, in draft sa paggawa niyo ng liquidation report,

pupwede niyong isama doon sa liquidation report ng kahit anong aktibidad so

long as sasabihin niyo

partyan ng good governance program. Objection, Your Honor.

What's the basis?

What's the

objection, counsel?

Misleading and speculative, Your Honor. It's

not counsel. In fact, I think that's one of the questions some of the senator-judges will ask.

Ma

'am,

naintindihan

niyo po yung tanong? Ma'am Gina, naintindihan niyo po yung tanong?

Good governance, good governance, what's that

counsel? Programs? Good governance program po. Good governance program, ang tanong po niya. So, ano man yung sabihin nila, basta sabihin good governance program, pasok na po yan doon? Sa report po, sa report. Sa report lang po.

Sa report na liquidation po. Your Honor, kung pag-ibon ako o liquidation report, nagbasi po ako sa fund utilization report na gihatag sa ako saan mo ang security officer, Your Honor,

na

makita dito kung asan na gasto ang kwarta unsa nga mga expenses o pila, Your Honor.

So ang pinagbabasihan niyo po yung liquidation report noong security officer na si Colonel Lachica, tama po?

Yes, Your Honor.

Out of curiosity, May tinanggihan ba kayong liquidation report na sinabmit ni Cornella Chica o lahat po nang binigay niya sayo ay tinanggap mo na parte ng Good Governance Program?

Sa Your Honor.

Meron po ba kayong tinanggihan na liquidation na sinabmit si Cornella Chica sa 125 million sa last quarter ng 2022 o lahat po nang sinumitin niya na liquidation, tinanggap niyo at sa pananaw niyo ay kasama ng Good Governance Program?

Ang lahat ng mga Lahat ng mga reports na giwihatag niya sa koa, Your Honor, akong gidawat, Your Honor, kay siyaman ang nakabalo unsaon pag-implementar sa mga confidential activities, kay siya ang eksperto, Your Honor, dito sa ground,

Your Honor. Lahat po nang binigay niya sa inyo, tinanggap niyo, at kinonsideran ninyo na parte ng good governance program dahil saan naman niyo nakakaalam at intindi, dahil saan naman niyo nasa ground.

Inanay, Your Honor. Yes, Your

Honor. Let me continue on that point, counsel, with your permission and indulgence. So yung tree planting, good governance program po yun.

Yung

tree planting, binanggit niyo po kanina, tree planting, good governance program po yun. Kasama po yun doon sa pag-liquidate?

Ang ibig sabihin, Your Honor, sa pag-gihing mo ang tree planting, Your Honor, na ay gihing mo.

Ang sinatanong ko po, ma'am, yung activity

na

tree planting Barte po yun ng good governance sa pagkakaunawa ninyo na program. Yes or no, ma'am?

Yes, Your Honor, pero usada gihim mo, Your Honor, ang security officer, Your Honor, na gihim mong surveillance, monitoring, Your Honor.

Nabasa ko po yun. Pati yung libring sakay, part ng good governance.

May surveillance din po doon. Nakita ko po sa liquidation report.

Yes, Your Honor.

Yes. Okay,

counsel, proceed. Thank you so much. Yun yung liquidation report.

Now,

the point is, punta naman tayo sa accomplishment report. Kasi nga, iba yun, diba? Now, same line of question, but this time, different document.

You can just include. Pupwede nyong isulat sa accomplishment report.

kahit anong na lang activity, kahit anong activity in the accomplishment report this time, not liquidation reports, so long as ililabel niyo lang under yan ng good governance program. You want me to repeat the question, ma'am, or you can answer now?

Accomplishment

report this time. Yung kanina po, nag-guess nyo na, liquidation report. Ngayon ngayon yung tanong is sa accomplishment report naman, pareho lang. Kahit anong activity, isasama sa accomplishment report so long as isusulat under good governance program. Tama po ba?

Counsel, can you confront the witness with the accomplishment report? Assisting counsel, can you forward the accomplishment report?

Para maunawaan ang

testigo na ibang dokumento na ang pinag-uusapan natin, kanina yung physical and financial plan, ngayon naman yung accomplishment report.

Pakitingnan po at pag-aralan yung dokumento, Ma'am Gina, para alam niyo po na yan ang tinutukoy ni Atty. Ligutan sa mga katanungan po niya sa inyo.

Excuse me, Your Honor.

Kajuhamin Agihimo o Accomplishment Report, Your Honor, for 2022.

Yes,

ma

'am.

Kung dalawang beses kayo, dalawang beses po kayo gumawa ng Accomplishment Report, Ma'am Gina?

Opo, Your Honor.

Alin po yan? Yung nauna o yung sumunod?

Ang kaninggatag sakwa, Your Honor, mauni ang unang Agihimo, Your Honor.

Yung unang Accomplishment Report. Do you have

a copy of the second report? We can leave with one report.

For this

point, Your

Honor, please. I'll ask the direct question.

Madam

Witness, you are

confirming that there are activities in your report, in the liquidation, in the Accomplishment Report that

you have

read,

and financial plan. Tama po ba?

Your Honor, pagimol na po.

Ma'am, this time po, I hope you don't mind po. The question is simple. So, puwede kang tanungin ng abogado ng kabila. Pero, pag-isagot lang po muna.

The witness is answering, Your Honor. Let the witness answer.

Allow the witness to answer,

counsel.

May mga aktibidades, activities, programa, kalihukan. in Visaya. Reflected in the reports, accomplishment reports, na hindi naman mababasa, makikita, nailista sa physical and financial plan. Tama po ba?

Libog. Nalito ako, Your Honor.

Anyways, Your Honor. Ma'am, sa accomplishment report, yes, Senator-Judge Zubiri, would you like to offer your services?

Yes, actually, not the services to interpret, but it's possible that Attorney Ligutan could ask the question in Bisaya, so that Mama Costa can understand.

And then, anyway, it can be objected to by the defense because I know there are three or four of you, Bisaya, Taga Cebu, Tulu, Tulumo Ria, Nakasabot. So you can always object if the translation of Attorney Ligutan is wrong. is different. It's simple Bisaya naman.

Makasabot man ta, pero ang mga Tinagalog din hindi kasabot. But you know, it's very simple. So maybe that way we don't have to keep stopping. Attorney Ligutan can ask the question first in Tagalog and then translate to simple Bisaya. Makatubag ni si ma'am. She can answer. And then... Attorney Ligutan can offer the answer also in Tagalog. If it is not like, of course, approved by the defense, the defense can give a clarification of what the answer of the lady witness has.

The point of the Senator-Judge is well taken. Let's try to do that, counsels, with your permission.

Yes,

Attorney Bakel?

Yes, Your Honor. May we respectfully suggest for a Court-appointed interpreter, considering that hindi po kasi ako bisaya, so actually nahihirapan po ako to understand the witness, understand Attorney Ligutan, and understand my colleagues who are likewise.

If you may, if you will please. We already have an interpreter, actually two of them here, that will course it through the chair if there is a need to do so. Some of the words are understandable.

Anyway, I'm kindly proceed slowly, Attorney Ligutan. But on this issue and this question, Ms. Acosta, ang tanong po sa inyo, may mga nilagay po kayong accomplishment report sa accomplishment report na wala dun sa physical and financial plan. Na sinabi niyo lamang o tinisip niyo lang kasama yan sa good governance program.

Accomplishment report, Your Honor, is yung mga expenses na allowable po sa confidential funds.

Opo, pero wala nga po yan, hindi yan nilagay doon sa physical and financial plan. Nakalagay lang po sa accomplishment report.

Sa

accomplishment report, Your Honor, actual.

Kaya nga, doon nga lang po nakasulat. Sa physical and financial plan, wala po doon.

Generic po ang sa physical and financial plan, Your Honor.

Attorney

Ligutan,

continue.

That's a

cue to the next question.

And

because the program indicated in the plan is broad and general, generic sabi niyo, so

much discretion is

given to the Office of the Vice President on how to utilize confidential funds. Translate into Tagalog, unfortunately I'll be needing What's Tagalog for this question po?

Kasi

nga broad general yung program nakasulat sa PFP.

Maski ano na lang

kahit

anong gustong gawin magagawa ng Office of the Vice President sa paggamit

Confidential funds. You want to state in Visaya po?

Kay tungod.

General. Generic. Ang programang nakasulat sa plano.

Bisag unsa.

So much discretion. Ma'am, I think you understand discretion, di po ba?

Um, authority?

Dako ang pagbuot sa office of the Vice President kung unsaon nila paggamit. sa confidential funds. Tama po ba? Objection,

Your Honor.

What's the objection, counsel?

Speculative and argumentative, Your Honor.

It's not argumentative, counsel. Neither is it speculative. Objection overruled. Ma'am Gina, dahil po kayo nagsabi generic yung good governance program, malaking laya ang nabigay sa inyo. para magsulat ng kung anumang mga programa na papasok doon sa generic na good governance program.

Duly, Your Honor, kaya

nagbasi

ako sa Joint Circular 2015.

So ang sagot ay hindi. Hindi ganun kalaki ang kalayaang meron sila dahil binasin niya yung kanyang accomplishment report sa JC2015-1. Tama po ba?

Yes, Your Honor. Okay.

Atty.

Rigutan.

Now, showing you again, Madam Witness, the 2022 physical and financial plan. After you prepared the plan, it was noted by a certain Rosaline Sanchez. Is that

correct?

Yes, Your Honor.

Yes, Your Honor. The document please. And thereafter,

You presented the plan kay Inday Sara, Vice President Sara,

for her approval. Tama po ba?

Yes, Your Honor. Di

pakitaan

ako sa iyo.

In this case, did she provide any feedback on the stated generic, coming from your own mouth, good governance program?

What is it,

Your Honor?

I'm sure you know feedback.

Saan po pumirma si Sara Zimmerman Duterte? Sa parte ng plano, saan jan?

Sa approve.

Approved by, showing on screen, approved by Sara Z. Duterte, Vice President, Agency Head, Department Secretary, LCE.

With the indulgence of Attorney Ligutan, what is the pleasure of Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo?

Mr. President, I have here the transcript of the hearing in Congress.

Hindi ko po maintindihan bakit parang dito hirap na hirap po siya magtagalog when in fact sa Congress po noong November, itagalog naman po ang sagot niya. Ang tanong po sa kanya ni Congressman Luistro, payment of incentive, 11 po. Would you know whether this amounts would total 120 exactly? Yes, ma'am. Gitotal ko po iyan, ma'am. 120

million po.

It's all... Puro Tagalog, Mr. President. What is this? I mean, mabuti po sana pati yung discretionary. And she's a government official. She doesn't know what discretionary means is. I mean, what it means. Dito po, sumasagot naman po siya. English, Tagalog. Yes po. Are you aware of my authority, Special Dispersing Officer? Kasi po wala akong alam kung paano po i-implement ang mga confidential. Mr. President, tama na po itong paluloko sa atin. Please, Mr. President, compel this witness to talk in Tagalog. Kahit po yung mga Bisaya po nakaintindi ng Tagalog, nakakasalita ng Tagalog, ano tayo sa ibang bansa? Ano tayo? Mga Japon? Mga Chinese? I know, Ms. Witness, you can understand. You can understand Tagalog. You can speak Tagalog. Dahil nandito po ito. Ilang pahina po ito.

Tagalog po yung sagot po ninyo. English po, sumasagot kayo. Tinatanong kayo ng English, sumasagot po kayo. Bakit ngayon parang hirap na hirap? Kailangang i-translate sa Tagalog, sa Bisaya. Sagot, Tagalog, Bisaya, Tagalog, Bisaya. E abutin mo tayo ng

isang taon dito, Mr. President. Ito po, yo.

That's all, Mr. President.

Thank you, Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo. Point well taken. Attorney Ligutan, to abbreviate the proceedings, kindly choose one language, English or Filipino, in asking the question. You don't have to translate each time unless the witness requests you to do so.

Yes, Your Honor.

Preferably use Filipino, Attorney Ligutan, as I'm sure you're well versed with it as well.

Yes. Since

you said, inapprobahan po ng vice president yung plano kasama sa inapprobahan ng vice president yung generic good governance program.

I

approve, Your Honor.

Okay. In fact, ma'am, yun din po yung naging tugon niyo sa same line of questioning. noong November 25, 2024. As shown by that portion of that transcript, you

confirm that it was may approval po ng head of agency at saka yung head of agency is the respondent in this case, Sara Zimmerman Duterte, Vice President. Tama po ba?

Tama po, Your Honor.

Let's proceed po sa susunod na punto. Let's go to the physical and financial plan naman. This time, para naman sa 2023.

From good governance program, ma'am, this time, Atty. J,

it can be seen sa plano, this time, hindi na good governance program, kundi nakasunod dyan, socio-economic program.

Delivery. With the indulgence of counsel, can the tech please zoom in? Yes, kindly zoom in.

Proceed, Your Honor. Ms. Gina will please answer, kindly confirm, ang nakasulat na po sa 2023 ay yung socio-economic program delivery.

Yes, Your Honor.

Hindi na po good governance program.

Yes, Your Honor.

Proceed, Your Honor.

But,

but, sa 2023 physical and financial plan

Yung

expected outcome naman nananatili. 2022 na expected outcome. Nakasulat, safe implementation of OVP initiatives and confidence building for 2022. Same expected outcome, safe implementation of OVP initiatives and confidence building. Tama po ba?

Tama po, Your Honor. Ma

'am, puwedeng mas malapit pa sa mikropono para po marinig. Again, may tubig diyan, ma'am, ha? If you want to drink water now. Therefore, masasabi natin, base sa dokumento, ma'am, yung 2023 physical and financial plan, kopya lang.

Kopya lang ng number one, physical target, Galing sa 2022. Tama po ba?

Objection, Your Honor. The document would speak for itself because the prosecution is asking the witness what is already based on the document as the question is framed, Your Honor.

Witness may answer. I'm just not so sure if she understands the word copy. So, Ma'am Gina, pareho lang po ang nilalaman ng physical and financial plan.

Yes,

Your Honor. Now

proceed. Same with budget for each quarter.

Fourth quarter ng 2023, ma'am. Kopyang kopya yung amount. 125 million pesos. Tama po ba?

Tama, Your Honor, kay Ma'am Manda ang nakabutang saga, Your Honor.

Proceed, Your Honor.

Yung may

tama daw dahil yung daw ang nakalagay is saga.

Both the 2020 2022 physical and financial plan and the 2023 version provided for broad program under po sa programs, activities, and projects sa 2022 good governance program sa 2023 naman socio-economic program. Pero as to budget, pareho. Yes

or no?

Pareho, Your Honor.

As to expected outcome? Pareho.

Pareho, Your Honor.

Alright. Now, let's go to this physical target naman. In the 2023 physical plan, same observation ba, ma'am? Na nakasulat dyan, letter A, number, identified areas with surveillance conducted and monitored without, hindi po nakasulat dyan yung aktual na numero. Tama po ba?

Tama po, Your Honor.

Same with the letter B entry. Percentage. Nakasulat dyan. Percentage. The symbol symbolizing percentage of activities implemented without and toward security-related incidents without stating the actual percentage. Tama po ba? Walang number.

Walang number. Tama po, Your Honor. In

fact, you admitted, Madam, In the 2020, in the November 25, 2024 Committee on Good Government Hearing, that you have to consult Colonel La Chica on what to put in the physical and financial plan. Do you remember this?

Yes, Your Honor.

Yan. The programs, yung programa po, yung mga ine-expect natin resulta sa mga programa, Yung mga targets ng mga plano, lahat ng ito ay gawa ay galing kay Colonel La Chica de Puba.

I will

repeat. Ang programa sa plano, ang expected outcome, ang

target sa physical plan,

galing. Kay Colonel Lachika. Tama po ba?

Objection, Your Honor.

What's the

objection? What's the objection, counsel?

As can be answered, Your Honor, the witness has already testified previously that security officers is providing inputs and

guidance, Your Honor.

This is 2023, Your Honor. I think the question pertains to 2023 now. That was answered with respect to 2022. Ma'am Gina, yung nangyari po ba noong 2022, ganun din po sa 2023, galing kay Colonel Lachika?

Sa paggawa ng physical financial plan, Your Honor, kasama kaya po na ko siya. Kasama ko siya, Your Honor. Sa kanya pa rin ako nanghingi ng inputs and guidelines po, Your Honor.

So galing nga po sa kanya. Galing kay Colonel Atchika yung inyong inputs na nilagay dito.

Kaming dalawa po, Your Honor, ang nag-discuss, Your Honor.

Counsel, your witness. Let's go to that November 25, 2024 hearing. Ma'am. Tinanong ka ni Representative Jean K. Luistro. As a matter of fact, the financial plan does not bear at all the signature or the name of Colonel La Chica. Ma'am, yung sagot niyo diyan. Yes po. Pero sa kanya po ako humihingi ng inputs or information with regards to the implementation of all these projects included in the confidential funds. This is what you said under oath in November 25. 2024, under oath. Tama po ba?

Your Honor, please. Ma'am, did you answer opo?

Opo.

Opo, ma'am. Your Honor, it's 12. Can I ask one

question? And I move for lunch break? Yes, counsel. Before we proceed to the next question.

Ito yung tanong na aw.

Ma'am.

Yes, sir. Ay, it's attorney. Opo.

Sa lahat ng mga dokumento, isinumitin nyo sa COA, Commission on Audit. The plan, accomplishment reports,

liquidation

reports.

Nakasaad ba dyan sa kahit anong dokumento? Yung sinasabi nyo na lahat ng inputs yung sinulat nyo sa plano, lahat ng inputs sinulat nyo sa reporting to COA. Nakasaad ba dyan yung pangalan ni Colonel Lachica? Direction,

Your Honor. The document would speak for itself, Your Honor. That's a

question

the public is very much willing to hear.

Witness may answer. Counsel, let the witness answer. I think she knows the answer anyway.

Yes or no?

Tama ba pag-understand ko sa question mo, Your Honor, na sa lahat ng mga dokumento na isubmit ko sa... Plano,

physical plan, ma'am. Physical

plan. Okay,

sa accomplishment report

mismo.

sa liquidation report,

sa

certification na successful yung paggamit, tama yung paggamit ng plano. May isang dokumento ba dun? Ma'am, limited po tayo dun ha? Na ipinakita nyo sa publiko na si Curdel Lachica yung nagbibigay sa'yo ng input sa mga plano, saka siya yung nag-implement ng mga programs, activities. Meron ba dun? Yes? or no.

Wala.

Move for

lunch

break, Your Honor,

please.

Ma'am Gina, kain muna tayo para makahinga at relax kayo. Sige po.

Mas better po, attorney. Ay,

Your Honor. Okay lang po, ma'am. Huwag kayong mag-alala dun. Pahinga muna kayo. Kain tayo. The court will declare a lunch recess. We shall resume at 12.45.

Trial

is resumed. For the information of the counsel for the parties, we shall only be holding trial given the inclement weather until 2 p.m. this afternoon and we shall convene session according to the Senate President

at

2.30 p.m. So kindly be aware of the time, Atty. Ligutan, and if at all we reach cross, kindly be aware of the time.

Ma'am Gina? Patuloy po kayo magtetestigo sa ilalim ng pareho niyong pinanumpaan kanina. Naunawaan niyo po iyon? Opo,

Your Honor.

Okay. Atty. Ligutan, your witness.

Hello.

Marami Tess, now, kanina nabanggit mo na si Colonel La Chica yung nagbibigay sa iyo ng inputs. Ano yung isusulat sa plano? at saka sa liquidation saka accomplishment reports. Kanina rin, the record will bear me out, in fact, nasabi mo rin, na siya rin yung may alam sa pag-i-implement ng mga sinasabi nyong confidential activities na pinagagamitan ng confidential funds. Now, yung tanong now is, Ma'am, empleyado ba, empleyado ba ng Office of the Vice President si Colonel Achica?

Siya po ang itinalaga na security officer ng Office of the Vice President, Your Honor.

Yung tanong, I think, is simple.

Ma'am Gina, pag sinabi niyong security, sagot niyo po kanina, siya ang commanding officer ng VPSPG. Sinabi niyo rin po na siya ang security officer ng OVP. Meron po ba siyang appointment at sweldong tinatanggap bilang security officer ng OVP? Wala po.

Hindi ko po alam, Your Honor, kung may sahod po siya. Pero ang alam ko, meron po siyang office order na siya po ang security officer ng Office of the Vice President. Okay.

Your witness, counsel?

I think the question is simple, ma'am. Sa alam niyo, sa pagkakaalam niyo, I'm not asking ano yung designation niya. I think you are more than competent to answer this question.

Impliyado ba ng Office of the Vice President? Si Colonel Achica.

Asking and answered, Your Honor.

No

answer yet. Witness will answer, please.

Kung alam niyo po, ma'am.

Ang alam ko po, siya po ang security officer, Your Honor. Yung lang po, ang alam ko.

That was his answer, counsel. Her answer, rather. Alright, now. Madam

Witness, I'm showing you now yung isang letter. Galing sa office of the Vice President, May Pichang, November 30, 2023. Pirmado ng isang Lemuel Ortonio.

We

are confronting you with the documents through authority and the letter is also being shown on our screen.

Assistant

Councils may approach.

Now, kindly

zoom in to the relevant person.

Okay.

According to this letter, ma'am,

November 30, 2023.

Nakasulat dyan na as early as July 2022,

yung OVP nakapag-identify na ng mga programa tsaka surveillance activities na sinasabi dyan intertwined with matters of national security. Yung letter is dated November 30, 2023.

Pero nakasulat dyan as early as July 2022, nakapag-identify ng mga programa. Aware ka ba sa letter na ito?

Yes or no?

Aware ka hindi?

Aware po ako,

Your Honor. Now,

in fact, aware ka rin na itong letter na ito, ito yung tugon, reply ng OVP through Ortonio sa Audit Observation Memorandum. Aware ka rin yan, di ba?

Yes, Your Honor. Now,

based sa letter na ito ma'am, programs at surveillance activities na sinasabi niyo intertwined with national security, eh sinasabi niyo na-identify na as early as July 2022 and you will agree with me ma'am eh kung July pa lang 2022.

Your

Honor,

saan po dito

Sinabi mo na activities, Your Honor?

Ma'am, nasa screen. These programs, program goals are indistricably intertwined with matters of national security.

July

22. Assistant counsel, kindly point it out

on page 2.

Page 2.

Kindly point it out to the witness.

What counsel is referring to?

Sir, ano po yung question? Yung

tanong now is, hindi ba dapat? Isinama niyo ito, yung mga sinasabi niyo mga specific activities sa physical and financial plan for the fourth quarter 2022 which is dated December 13, 2022. Isinama niyo ba yan?

Objection, Your Honor. Argumentative, Your Honor.

Repraise, counsel. I get the point of the objection of the counsel. Sustained. Okay, now.

Hindi

po ba?

Those should have been reflected in the physical and financial plan for the fourth part of 2022. Same objection, Your Honor.

Ma'am Gina, bakit di niyo po sinama yung mga bagay na yan doon sa physical and financial plan ng 2022? Kung Julyo pa lang, may ganyan na pala, bakit hindi niyo po yan sinama? Sa 2022 physical and financial plan.

Sir,

ito po ba yung target property alleviation treats to peace and order and the promotion of economic development po?

Counsel? I think the public knows whether the witnesses answered the question or not. I will move on, Your Honor, please. Move forward, Counsel. Thank you. Now, Madam. Let's go to this cash encashment for the check-in cashment para sa 2022 Confidential Funds. Now, pinapakita sa iyo ngayon yung isang cheque, May-Pechang, December 20, 2022.

Okay? As well as yung nasa likod ng checking iyan. Okay? Yung checking yan has been previously marked as Exhibit PI-28, small letter A, and PI-28, small letter A-1.

Yung tanong, you personally encashed, ikaw mismo yung nag-encash ng 125 million pesos cash advance ng confidential funds noong December 20, 2022, correct?

Opo, sir.

And then, ma'am, na-encash mo yan only pagkatapos yung cheque maibigay sa iyo. Tama po ba?

Yes, sir.

Tanong, kailan ba na-encash yung cheque nito? Diba, December 20, 2022?

Yes, sir.

And hindi po ba, bago ma-release yung cheque sa iyo, Yung checking iyan, kailangan munang i-prepara at saka dapat pirmado ng chief accountant. Tama po ba?

Ah, nag-perma po?

No, ma'am. The question is, tama po ba na bago nyo ma-relate, bago nyo natanggap yung checking, yung checking iyan, kailangan i-prepare muna at saka pirmahan.

I

-prepare po ng accountant po.

Yes. Okay now. And of course, madam, yung checking iyan, Naprepare lang, napirmahan lang, na-release sa'yo lang only after the required disbursement voucher had been signed and approved. Tama po ba?

Opo.

If you can remember, ma'am, yung disbursement voucher napirmahan tsaka na-approved same day, December 20, 2022. Tama po ba?

Yung date ng voucher at saka date ng cheque. On

the same day?

Yes, Your Honor. Yes, sir.

In fact, yun yung disbursement voucher dated December 20, 2022, Exhibit P, I-10A. Now, yung voucher na iyan, firmado ng VP Sara Duterte, Julieta Villadil Rey, tsaka Lemuel Ortonio. Tama po ba?

Your Honor, di ko ma... Mabasa yung after my name

kung orto

niyo