WEBVTT 00:06:01.100 --> 00:06:02.940 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: The Senate President, the Presiding Officer, 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:05.080 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: and Senator-Judges of the Impeachment Court. 00:06:14.900 --> 00:06:15.460 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: The 00:06:15.460 --> 00:06:18.240 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Sergeant at Arms is directed to make a proclamation. 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:29.260 Alfredo Sotto Corpuz: All persons are commanded to keep silent under pain of penalty while the Impeachment Court is in session for the trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte. 00:06:32.990 --> 00:06:40.930 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: The Impeachment Trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte is hereby called to order. We shall be led in prayer by Senator Judge Raffy Tulfo. 00:06:57.780 --> 00:07:55.800 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Almighty Father, as we enter The seventh week of the impeachment trial guide everyone here. The senator-judges, the presiding officer, the prosecution and defense counsels, the witnesses, and the Filipino people so that we remember why we are conducting these proceedings. Help us to make the most of the Time and resources of our people by making the impeachment trial an instrument that would restore the people's trust in their public officials. Finally, send our most holy spirit upon us so that we are rendered a just judgment over this case. May we embody what Jesus said that for the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Lord, let our words and actions here reflect the public servants that we should be. All these we pray in your mighty name. Amen. 00:08:21.530 --> 00:08:45.250 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: senator-judge, Marcoleta, senator-judge, Marcos, senator-judge, Padilla, senator-judge, Pangilinan, senator-judge, Soto III, senator-judge, Tulfo Erwin, senator-judge, Tulfo Rafi, senator-judge, Villanueva, senator-judge, Villar Camil, senator-judge, Villar Marc, senator-judge, Zubiri, the presiding officer, senator-judge, Escudero, senate president, senator-judge, Gatchalian. 00:08:45.390 --> 00:09:00.190 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: 13 senator-judges present, the chair declares the presence of a quorum. In accordance with the rules of procedure on impeachment trials, the Chair now recognizes the duly elected presiding officer to preside over the proceedings of the impeachment court. 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:15.200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Mr. Senate President. If there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the August 12, 2026 Journal of the Senate sitting as an impeachment court and shall consider the same as approved. 00:09:17.620 --> 00:09:22.780 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Clerk of Court is directed to kindly call the case before the impeachment court. 00:09:23.070 --> 00:09:26.530 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Case number 004-2026. In the 00:09:26.530 --> 00:09:29.970 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: matter of impeachment trial, Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte. 00:09:31.170 --> 00:09:32.390 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Appearances of the parties. 00:09:32.990 --> 00:09:37.760 Rep. Joel R. Chua: Same appearance for the prosecution, Your Honor. We are ready. Thank 00:09:37.760 --> 00:09:38.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you, Honorable Chua. 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.920 Atty. Michael Wesley Poa: Same appearance for the respondent accused, Your Honor. Good morning. 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:43.960 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Atty. Powa. 00:09:47.700 --> 00:09:50.160 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Call your witness, Honorable Chua. 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:53.340 Rep. Joel R. Chua: Your Honor, before we call our next witness, Your Honor. 00:09:55.010 --> 00:10:18.740 Rep. Joel R. Chua: May we respectfully ask the Honorable Court to recognize Attorney Ligutan, counsel for the prosecution because we understand that his name was alluded to by the defense in the last hearing, Your Honor. May he be given the opportunity to make a brief manifestation or comment. At 00:10:18.740 --> 00:10:22.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: the proper time we will, Honorable Attorney Ligutan. At the 00:10:22.400 --> 00:10:32.020 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: proper time we will. The Chair does not intend to rule yet on that matter at this time. But before the Chair does so, Attorney Ligutan will be heard. I assure you. 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:42.280 Rep. Joel R. Chua: In that case, Your Honor, may we request the public prosecutor, Congressman Lordan Suwan, be recognized by the Chair for the presentation of our next witness. 00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:44.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Honorable Suwan is recognized. 00:10:47.150 --> 00:10:57.150 Atty. Michael Wesley Poa: Your Honor, on the part of the defense, Your Honor, may we also request that Attorney Lyndon Bacuel be recognized for 00:10:57.150 --> 00:11:02.110 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: this witness. Attorney Lyndon, you are recognized, sir, as far as this witness is concerned. 00:11:03.800 --> 00:11:08.100 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Good morning, Your Honor. Lyndon Bacuel, appearing for respondent accused. 00:11:11.540 --> 00:11:13.080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Honorable Suwan is recognized. 00:11:19.740 --> 00:11:20.840 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Thank you, Your Honor. 00:11:22.950 --> 00:11:28.250 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: May it please the Honorable Impeachment Court. The prosecution calls Ms. Marivic M. Pareja. 00:11:30.490 --> 00:11:38.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Clerk of Court, through the Sergeant at Arms, is directed to kindly situate Ms. Marivic Pareja to the witness stand. 00:11:46.390 --> 00:11:48.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly place the witness under oath, Clerk of Court. 00:11:49.460 --> 00:12:06.530 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Please raise your right hand. You, Marivic M. Pareja, do swear... that the evidence you shall give in the case now pending between the Philippines and Vice President Cyrus Zimmerman Duterte shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God. 00:12:06.970 --> 00:12:07.450 Marivic M. Pareja: Yes, sir. 00:12:08.650 --> 00:12:11.110 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly be seated. 00:12:11.110 --> 00:12:13.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am Marivic. Atty. Soan, you 00:12:13.990 --> 00:12:15.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: are recognized to make your offer. 00:12:16.010 --> 00:12:34.150 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Your Honors, before we proceed with the offer of testimony, we respectfully manifest that we are distributing copies to all the senator-judges. of our offer of testimony. And we also request that this be flashed on the screen for the convenience of the senators and the viewing public. 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:07.330 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Your Honor, we only have four offers for the testimony of Witness Pareja, Your Honor. 00:13:12.350 --> 00:13:39.860 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Your Honor, the testimony of Witness Marivic M. Pareja is being offered to prove the following. Number one, she has been an employee of the House of Representatives for the past 27 years. and has for the last eight years up to the present served as the service director of the Legislative Archives and Museum Management Service or Archives of the House of Representatives. Number two, 00:13:41.650 --> 00:14:16.540 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: the Archives is the official repository of all records of the House of Representatives including those that were transmitted to it by the Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability or CGGPA. in connection with the committee's hearings conducted from September 18, 2024 to December 9, 2024 and is responsible for the storage, preservation, retrieval, and release of certified true copies of such records and issuance of certifications. 00:14:23.510 --> 00:14:42.060 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Number three, the identity of the following documents that were received by the Archives for Storage and Custody. as transmitted by the Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability relative to its September 18, 2024 to December 9, 2024 committee hearings. 00:14:44.690 --> 00:14:51.090 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Your Honor, may we be allowed to flash on the screen these documents as I am enumerating them? 00:14:54.860 --> 00:14:57.040 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Before you proceed, counsel, 00:14:57.260 --> 00:14:59.160 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: let 00:15:01.850 --> 00:15:19.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: me be the one to do it. Would Attorney Lyndon be willing to stipulate? Insofar as the current position of the witness in the house is concerned relative to offers 1 and 2 of the council. 00:15:19.900 --> 00:15:21.340 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes, Your Honor, stipulated. 00:15:23.190 --> 00:15:44.330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Second, counsel, the Honorable Suwan, you will only be presenting documents enumerated in your offer, namely P. Roman numeral number 1-26A up to P.R.1-26L1. 00:15:45.910 --> 00:15:47.450 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: May I ask, 00:15:51.100 --> 00:16:01.700 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: insofar as your pre-marked documents P.R.1-3 up 00:16:03.430 --> 00:16:37.220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: to P.R.1-25I-1, these were not part of the documents you requested this Court to take judicial notice of? which we are more than willing to do because they're of the same nature. And since you're not presenting it to this witness, would you want to make the corresponding motion for us to take judicial notice of those documents? Again, to reiterate, P-RN 1-3 up to P-RN 1-25-I-1. 00:16:40.380 --> 00:16:57.130 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mostly, these are documents pertaining to documents submitted to the House. pertaining to the ombudsman case and the counter affidavits of some of the respondents in that case? Yes, Your Honor. Or you'd have no intention of presenting those documents anymore? 00:16:58.230 --> 00:17:02.170 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: We do, Your Honor, and judicial notice would be much appreciated. 00:17:03.470 --> 00:17:15.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly ask for it because it is not part of those that we can give judicial notice of in a mandatory manner. So you are asking for judicial notice for the documents I mentioned? 00:17:16.250 --> 00:17:18.150 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Yes, Your Honor, the prosecution moves. 00:17:18.770 --> 00:17:33.750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Any objection on the part of the respondent? Again, just as to the existence of these documents, as to the fact that they were submitted before the House of Representatives, not as to the truth or relevance of these documents to these proceedings. 00:17:34.170 --> 00:17:35.000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel? 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:41.710 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Stipulated, Your Honor. We have no objection as regards the motion to take judicial notice of these documents. 00:17:42.920 --> 00:18:10.520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Court therefore makes an order that the documents inclusive from P-RN1-3 to P-RN1-25I-1 are all taken judicial notice of. Copies are therefore directed to be furnished to all the senator-judges for their information and reference. Again, as to the fact that these are part of the official records of the House, duly submitted to them, and that 00:18:12.320 --> 00:18:27.700 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: and that they form part of the records forming the House deliberations and hearings. Now, next, Honorable Suwan, insofar as these documents you presented are concerned, again, these are all submissions to the House, correct? 00:18:28.550 --> 00:18:29.430 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Yes, Your Honor. 00:18:31.320 --> 00:18:59.010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: May I hear from Counsel for Respondent, Atty. Linden? Are you willing to stipulate as to these documents that they intend to present through the witness, Atty. Pareja? Again, only as to the fact that they were submitted to the House, part of the official records of the House, and that in the performance of her regular duties that these are within her custody, and that she performed her duties in the regular course of events. 00:19:00.010 --> 00:19:06.910 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: We stipulate, Your Honor, as regards the transmittal of these documents to the Department of the Witness, Your Honor. 00:19:07.730 --> 00:19:10.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: And that she is in possession and custody of these documents? 00:19:10.770 --> 00:19:11.230 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes, Your Honor. 00:19:11.600 --> 00:19:14.320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: as part of the official records of the hearings of the House. 00:19:14.540 --> 00:19:15.100 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes, Your Honor. 00:19:17.260 --> 00:19:32.660 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Suwan, since it has been stipulated by the Council, would there be anything else? Again, just for clarity, Atty. Linden, we are referring to previously 00:19:34.220 --> 00:19:47.640 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: marked documents P-R1-26-A up to P-R1-26-L-1. A total of 11 documents, I think you've been furnished with a copy? 00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:50.720 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: No, Your Honor. We have not... Kindly 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:53.720 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: furnish opposing counsel with a copy. 00:19:57.580 --> 00:20:00.020 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: And it's also being flashed on the screen, counsel. 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:02.340 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: If I may, Your Honor. 00:20:02.340 --> 00:20:03.800 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, Honorable Suwan? 00:20:03.800 --> 00:20:10.080 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: For the record, may we be allowed to identify these documents that defense has agreed to stipulate upon? 00:20:11.120 --> 00:20:21.350 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, you're referring to P-R1-3 up to... P-R1-25-I-1? 00:20:21.570 --> 00:20:26.690 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: No, Your Honor. We are referring to P-R1-26-20. Ah, 00:20:26.690 --> 00:20:26.750 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: the 00:20:26.750 --> 00:20:27.050 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: ones on 00:20:27.050 --> 00:20:27.130 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: the 00:20:27.130 --> 00:20:30.550 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: screen. Yes, Your Honor. For the viewing public and for the record. 00:20:30.850 --> 00:20:43.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, you may read the documents. All 11 of them. For the information of the counsel as well and the senator-judges while the counsel is going over it. You may proceed, 00:20:43.990 --> 00:20:45.200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Honorable Swan. 00:20:45.200 --> 00:22:44.970 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Thank you, Your Honor. So the first letter The first document is the letter of Vice President Sara Z. Duterte to Honorable Joel Chua, Chairperson of the CGGPA, dated September 23, 2024, where the Vice President informed the committee that she will not attend the deliberations of the CGGPA and requested to terminate the inquiry. The second document is the letter of Attorney Zuleika T. Lopez, Undersecretary and Chief of Staff, OVP. to Honorable Joel R. Chua, Chairperson, CGGPA, dated October 7, 2024, where Attorney Zuleika Lopez responded to the show-cause order issued by the CGGPA to explain her failure to attend or respond to the invitations of the Committee. Number 3, the letter of Edward D. Fajarda to Honorable Joel Chua, Chairperson of the CGGPA, dated October 7, 2024, where Edward Fajarda responded to the show cause order issued by the CGGPA to explain his failure to attend or respond to the invitations of the committee. Number 4, Letter of Attorney Rosaline Sanchez, Director, Administrative and Financial Services Office, OVP to Honorable Joel Chua, Chairperson of the CGGPA dated October 7, 2024. where OVP Director Rosaline Sanchez responded to the show-cause order issued by the CGGPA to explain her failure to attend or respond to the invitations of the committee. Your Honor, we also manifest that these documents have been previously marked and the current one has been marked as P-R1-26-D as shown on the screen, Your Honor, as well as the previous documents, which were already previously marked. 00:22:49.630 --> 00:24:11.050 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: So the fifth document is the letter of Lemuel G. Ortonio, Assistant Secretary, OVP, to Honorable Joel Archua, Chairperson, CGGPA, dated October 7, 2024, where OVP ASEC Lemuel Ortonio responded to the show-cause order issued by the CGGPA to explain his failure to attend or respond. to the invitations of the committee. This was also previously marked as P-R1-26-E, sixth document. The position paper of Attorney Lopez et al. dated November 5, 2024, where Attorney Lopez, Ms. Acosta, spouses Edward and Sunshine Fajarda et al. refused to attend the CGGPA hearings and requested for termination of the inquiry by the CGGPA. This was previously marked, Your Honor, as P-R1-26-F. Seventh document, the position paper of OVP employees dated November 5, 2024, where the OVP employees refused to attend the CGGPA hearings and requested for termination of the inquiry by the CGGPA. This was previously marked as P-R1 00:24:12.690 --> 00:25:57.630 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: 26-G. Eighth document, the letter of Gina Acosta, Sunshine Shari Fajarda, and Edward Fajarda to Honorable Joel Chua, chairperson of CGGPA, dated November 12, 2024, where Gina Acosta and spouses Edward and Sunshine Fajarda responded to the contempt order and arrest order. for their failure to attend the CGGPA hearing and this was previously marked as P-R1-26-H. Ninth, letter of Attorney Zuleika T. Lopez under Secretary and Chief of Staff, OVP, to Honorable Joel Chua, Chairperson, CGGPA, dated November 24, 2024, where Attorney Zuleika Lopez attempted to excuse her appearance in the CGGPA hearing, and this was previously marked as P-R1-26-I. Number 10, letter of Gamaliel A. Cordoba, Chairperson, Commission on Audit, with subject, Compliance with Sapina Duchesnecum, dated August 16, 2024, addressed to Honorable Sal Dico, Chairperson, Committee on Appropriations, dated August 21, 2024 where COA informed the Committee on Appropriations of the COA's compliance with the Sapina-Duches-Tecum for OVP and DepEd documents. This was marked as P-R1-26-K-1. 00:25:57.910 --> 00:25:58.670 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: And 00:25:58.950 --> 00:26:33.010 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: last, the letter of Attorney Zuleika Lopez under Secretary and Chief of Staff, OVP. to Honorable Gamaliel Cordova, Chairperson, COA, dated August 21, 2024, where Attorney Zuleika Lopez told the COA not to comply with the subpoena by the Committee on Appropriations and refused submission of the OVP and DPED documents. This was previously marked as P-R1-26-L-1. That is it, Your Honor. 00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:33.980 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you. 00:26:34.020 --> 00:26:36.150 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Comment, Attorney Linden? 00:26:36.150 --> 00:26:49.760 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, we confirm our stipulation as to the documents mentioned by the prosecution that these documents are transmitted to the archives and the archives are the custodian of these documents, Your Honor. 00:26:50.860 --> 00:27:00.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Having so stipulated, counsel, any other thing? Given that these are your four offers, I don't believe there is a need to present this witness before the court. 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:18.040 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Your Honor, there is still the matter of that certification that the witness issued as to the identity of these documents, the identity and faithful reproduction of these documents. If counsel will agree to stipulate, then that would be welcomed. 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.820 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: May we show the certification on the screen, Your Honor? 00:27:26.760 --> 00:28:01.470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's not so much the certification, but I guess... Without prejudice to proof being presented by counsel for the respondents that these are not faithful reproductions of the original on file, then we can presume regularity. Correct, counsel? We are amenable to that proposition, Your Honor. We can presume regularity, Honorable Suwan. Unless proof later on during cross at any stage of the trial is presented regarding the inaccuracy of these documents, we can already... Counsel is willing to stipulate. Thereby dispensing again with this witness. 00:28:04.520 --> 00:28:05.180 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Your Honor. 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.160 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Who's speaking? Yes, Honorable Son. 00:28:10.840 --> 00:28:22.800 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: If Council is willing to stipulate as to the certification, then for the record, may we have the certification marked as P-R1-26. 00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:30.840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It has already been marked previously. It's been 00:28:30.840 --> 00:28:31.200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: marked, yes. 00:28:31.820 --> 00:28:32.300 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Just 00:28:32.300 --> 00:28:32.960 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: for the record. 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you. So, can we dispense with this witness, Honorable Son? 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.020 Rep. Lordan G. Suan: Yes, Your Honor. 00:28:40.760 --> 00:28:48.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ms. Pareja, you are excused. Kindly send our regards to Cesar over there. 00:28:49.750 --> 00:28:50.250 Marivic M. Pareja: Thank 00:28:50.250 --> 00:28:50.890 Marivic M. Pareja: you, Your Honor. 00:28:52.760 --> 00:28:56.720 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: And we thank you for your time and for coming over. Thank you for your patience as well. 00:28:56.840 --> 00:28:57.720 Marivic M. Pareja: Thank you, sir. 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Call 00:29:05.180 --> 00:29:13.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: your next witness, the Honorable Sua. If you're going to be the one to stand up, call your next witness, Honorable Chua. 00:29:25.090 --> 00:29:33.130 Rep. Joel R. Chua: Your Honor, may we request Attorney Ligutan, counsel for the prosecution, to be recognized for the presentation of our next witness, Your Honor. 00:29:34.990 --> 00:29:43.110 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Attorney Ligutan is recognized for the presentation of the prosecutor's next witness. Attorney Ligutan, you may proceed when you're ready. 00:29:45.130 --> 00:29:50.350 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, we were expecting to present the witness at a bit later time. 00:29:51.910 --> 00:29:55.530 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: May move for a quick recess. Two minutes, Your Honor, please. 00:29:56.510 --> 00:29:56.930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Brief 00:29:56.930 --> 00:29:57.750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: recess is declared. 00:34:24.080 --> 00:34:33.950 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Clerk of Court is directed to kindly escort and situate Ms. Gina Acosta to the witness stand for her testimony. 00:35:06.210 --> 00:35:09.690 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly place the witness under oath, Atty. Bantog. 00:35:10.350 --> 00:35:11.810 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Please raise your right hand, ma'am. 00:35:14.310 --> 00:35:28.470 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: You, Gina F. Acosta, do swear that the evidence you shall give in the case now pending between the Philippines and Vice President Cyrus Girmayman Duterte shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God. 00:35:34.290 --> 00:36:01.240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Miss Gina, and also for the information of the Council for the Parties, we have on hand a nurse from the Senate and on call the doctors of the Senate. given that in the last appearance of Ms. Gina before the House, I believe, medyo tumaas po yung presyon ninyo. So we're just exercising some precautions with respect to this, but please try to be relaxed. 00:36:03.500 --> 00:36:05.240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Attorney Ligutan, your witness. 00:36:05.600 --> 00:36:06.200 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Thank 00:36:06.200 --> 00:36:06.680 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: you so 00:36:06.680 --> 00:36:09.020 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: much, Your Honor, please. 00:36:13.250 --> 00:36:18.220 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Mr. Presiding Officer, our senator-judges, 00:36:20.870 --> 00:36:38.690 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: The prosecution presents the first hostile or hostile witness in this impeachment trial. The testimony of the first, we'll pronounce it as hostile, we're accustomed to hostile. 00:36:41.020 --> 00:36:41.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ang 00:36:42.410 --> 00:36:50.670 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: testigo, testimonya ng kauna-unahang hostile witness sa impeachment trial na ito is 00:36:52.180 --> 00:37:12.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: being presented to prove Ang mga sumusunod, layo ng prosecution na ipresenta o iharap si Gina Acosta bilang isang hostile witness. Ibig sabihin hindi po siya testigo pabor sa prosecution. 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:42.790 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pangalawa, si Ms. Acosta ay nanunungkulan ngayon bilang Vice Presidential Staff Officer VI sa Office of the Vice President. Pangatlo, Siya ay nagsilbing Special Disbursing Officer or SDO ng Office of the Vice President noong taong 2022 at 2023. 00:37:44.450 --> 00:39:50.710 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pangapat, siya rin ang nagsilbing SDO para sa Confidential Funds noong the Mayor Sara Duterte sa Davao City mula taong 2019. hanggang 2022. Panglima, siya ang naging staff member sa Davao City Administrator's Office sa pagitan ng mga taong 2016 at 2022 at ng Davao City Budget Office sa panunungkulan noon ni Mayor Sara Zimmerman Duterte. Panganim, sa last quarter o huling tatlong buwan, ng 2022, ginastos ng OVP or Office of the Vice Presidents ang halagang 125 million pesos na confidential funds sa loob lamang ng labing isang araw sa ilalim at pamamahala at pangangasiwa ng Vice Presidente ng walang liquidation ng hindi kumpleto o walang sapat na dokumento na nagpapatunay sa pagbabayad. Pangpito. Rather, pangwalo. Inatasa ng Vice Presidente ang witness na i-encash ang kabuuhang halaga na 500 million pesos or kalahating bilyon noong ikadalawampu ng Disyembre 2022, ikaanim ng Prebrero, ikadalawamputlima ng Abril, at ikalabingapat ng Hulyo 2023. 00:39:51.870 --> 00:39:52.650 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I 00:39:54.320 --> 00:40:31.290 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: skip number seven, sorry. Sa tatlong taon, sorry, sa tatlong three-quarters ng 2023, ginastos ng OVP. Ang halagang 375 million na confidential funds sa ilalim ng pamamahala at pangangasiwa ng vice-presidente ng walang liquidation, ng hindi, wastong liquidation rather, ng hindi kompleto o walang sapat na mga dokumento na nagpapatunay sa pagbabayan. Let's go to number nine. 00:40:33.500 --> 00:42:16.250 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ang lahat ng confidential funds na inilaan sa OVP ay nawithdraw in cold cash na nagkakahalagang kalahating bilyong piso noong December 20, 2022, February 6, April 25, at July 14, 2023. Pang-sampo, inutusan ni VP Sara na ibigay ang kabuuhang Half a billion pesos, 500 million pesos in cold cash sa security officer ng OVP na si Colonel La Chica na hindi isang accountable officer, isang paglabag sa batas sa Joint Circular 2015-01. Panglabing isa. Ang ginagawang disbursements ng confidential funds sa ilalim ng Office of the Vice President. Ang ginawang disbursements ay maraming bahid o namumutakti sa pagsuway at paglabag sa Joint Circular 2015-01. Dabing dalawa, bigo ang respondent, Vice President, na maliquidate ang kabuuhang halaga. na half a billion pesos na pera ng bayan, 500 million pesos alinsunod sa demand or kahingian ng Joint Circular Act 2015-01. Panglabing tatlo, 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:30.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: dahil dito maituturing na ginastos ng Vice Presidente sa pansariling gamit at kapakinabangan 00:42:32.080 --> 00:42:49.160 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ang half a billion pesos na pera ng bayan na confidential funds ng Office of the Vice President. Lastly, Your Honor, please, tutukuyin ng witness ang mga dokumentong may kaugnayan sa mga aligasyong nakasaan sa articles of impeachment. 00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:53.340 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That's for the offer. 00:42:53.600 --> 00:42:54.920 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Comment, Atty. Bacuel? 00:42:56.140 --> 00:43:10.290 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, for purposes number 2 and 3, we are willing to stipulate We note that for purpose 3, this was already part of the admissions of the parties in the pre-trial order. 00:43:11.830 --> 00:44:02.370 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And it's contained in part 1A, item 2.8 of the pre-trial order, Your Honor. For purpose number 4 and 5, as regards the confidential funds in Davao City and the position of the witness as STO of Davao City, We would like to object on the ground of irrelevance, Your Honor, considering that for the simple reason that the confidential funds in Davao City are not part of the allegations in the articles of impeachment. So there's really no fact in issue to be proved by the testimony of the witness, Your Honor. And for all the other purposes, Your Honor, these are subject to cross-examination. 00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:12.140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What does Attorney Ligutan say with respect to counsel's stipulation to your second and third offer? The stipulation 00:44:12.140 --> 00:45:20.890 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: is well taken, Your Honor, please. So, therefore, it is established na si Ms. Acosta ay ngayon nanunungkulan bilang Vice Presidential Staff, Offer 6, saka nagsilbi siyang Special Dispersing Officer noong taong 2022 saka 2023. However, Your Honor, please, yung punto na walang relevance yung naging pagsisilbi as SDO para sa confidential funds mula 2019 saka 2022 saka I think union, di ba? Your Honor, please, we beg to disagree. It is very much relevant, very much relevant in today's proceedings considering, Your Honor, please, that it is her experience as the SDO of Davao City. in those inclusive years that led the Vice President to also bring her to the office of the Vice President and do and do the things they did in Davao City this time with the money of the office of the Vice President. That is very much relevant to the prosecution's case, Your Honor, please. 00:45:21.050 --> 00:45:22.030 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May I respond, Your Honor? 00:45:22.270 --> 00:45:25.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, before the Presiding Officer makes a ruling, Counsel. 00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:51.820 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes, Your Honor. The rebuttal presented by the prosecution is wrong considering that there's no such allegation in the articles of impeachment, Your Honor. Moreover, Your Honor, it is clear in the ruling of the Supreme Court in Duterte v. House of Representatives that the basis of any charge must be for acts committed. 00:45:53.630 --> 00:45:58.830 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: In relation to the impeachable office and within the term of the impeachable officer, Your Honor. 00:45:59.580 --> 00:46:02.200 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, can I make a quick rebuttal to the last point? 00:46:02.200 --> 00:46:02.360 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:56.450 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: need, counsel. The presiding officer will make a ruling. The court will allow it given that it is for the purpose of establishing pattern and or behavior on the part of the witness. But to be clear, that whatever she says with respect to acts committed by her in relation to the vice president now while she was a mayor in Davao City is not part. of this impeachment trial and will not in any way add to the charges that has been filed and are pending before this court under the four articles of impeachment as previously ruled by the chair in previous requests for subpoena, for example. However, may I ask counsel further to abbreviate the proceedings? Attorney Bacal. Are you willing to stipulate that the witness is a hostile witness and therefore counsel may ask leading questions already instead of qualifying the witness as a hostile witness? 00:46:57.390 --> 00:47:03.010 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: No, Your Honor. The prosecution must first qualify the witness as hostile, Your Honor. Then 00:47:03.010 --> 00:47:08.910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: qualify her, Atty. Ligutan. We will. We shall. Qualify her. You may proceed when you're ready. 00:47:10.390 --> 00:47:15.030 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Madam Witness, Mayong Buntag. 00:47:15.810 --> 00:47:17.090 Gina F. Acosta: Mayong Buntag, Saab. 00:47:17.680 --> 00:47:24.860 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, Your Honor, pwede bang magpaduulgamay sa ating grupo? Can you draw closer to the microphone? 00:47:25.640 --> 00:47:28.860 Gina F. Acosta: Okay, okay. Salamat po. 00:47:29.540 --> 00:47:31.080 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: How are you, Madam Witness? 00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:33.820 Gina F. Acosta: Okay, okay, Jutay. 00:47:34.120 --> 00:47:42.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, okay, Jutay. Ibig sabihin, I'm a bit fine. Madam Witness, natay tubig. We have water. 00:47:43.210 --> 00:47:44.070 Gina F. Acosta: Excuse me, sir. 00:47:44.230 --> 00:47:44.470 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Opo. 00:47:44.630 --> 00:47:46.950 Gina F. Acosta: Sir, pwede diniligbog na natin rin. Okay. 00:47:46.950 --> 00:47:52.350 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, ingon ng witness, sabi po ng witness, puwede bang hindi po malamig yung tubig? Um, 00:47:52.350 --> 00:48:05.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: the, uh, OSAA is directed to kindly give her... Ma'am Gina, you prefer warm water? Hindi naman daw po malamig yan, pero baka dahil sir ko nalang lumamig. 00:48:06.230 --> 00:48:10.110 Gina F. Acosta: Ano lang po, sir, yung kung merong maligam-gam, 00:48:10.290 --> 00:48:13.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: maligam-gam na lang po. Bakit bigyan na lang po ng maligam-gam? 00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:14.710 Gina F. Acosta: Salamat po. 00:48:15.130 --> 00:48:19.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You're welcome, ma'am. You may proceed, Atty. Ligutan. Salamat, ma'am. 00:48:20.890 --> 00:48:24.970 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Why are you here today, if you know? 00:48:28.110 --> 00:48:31.410 Gina F. Acosta: Na ako diri tungod sa akong subpoena. 00:48:33.070 --> 00:48:36.990 Gina F. Acosta: Nagipatawag ko diri sa Senado, Pitsa, August. 00:48:37.250 --> 00:48:48.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With your permission, Atty. Ligutan, kung papahintulutan niyo po, Ms. Gina, pwede po gamitin po ninyo para mas maunawaan ang 00:48:48.120 --> 00:48:52.000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: mas nakararami, Ingles o Pilipino sa pagsagot? 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:57.220 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, pwede po haluan ng Bisaya, Your Honor. 00:48:58.140 --> 00:49:07.800 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sige po, basta matranslate ni Atty. Legutan without any objection from the respondent yung ibang mga kataga o salita. Your Honor, may 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:24.240 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: we request an interpreter from this honorable court if this honorable court would allow? so that the defense would be able to easily understand the statements of the 00:49:24.240 --> 00:49:29.300 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: witness. We have a senator-judge who can interpret but I doubt if I can do that or will do that. Okay. 00:49:29.780 --> 00:50:08.130 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, Your Honor, I have a proposition. Ma'am Acosta, alala ko when you testified before the Committee on Good Government sa House of Representatives, ma'am, we spoke in Tagalog then sinigitan natin ng Our great Bisaya language. Pero po, para po mas mabilis, kung po pwede po, let's try as much as we could po to speak Tagalog. Kung po pwede lang ha. And then, if you really have to speak Bisaya, then of course, hindi po pinagbabawal yan. We should be proud of it. Pero kung po pwede po, Tagalog po tayo. 00:50:08.500 --> 00:50:11.220 Gina F. Acosta: I-try po na po, sir. I will try my best po. 00:50:11.420 --> 00:50:12.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let's try our best po, madam. 00:50:13.080 --> 00:50:35.380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sige, ma'am. While we're looking for a court-appointed or selected translator to get an official translation, hanggang kaya, ma'am. Pero kung hindi po, kung hindi po kayang gamitin ang ingles o wikang Pilipino, gamitin niyo po ang Bisaya o Cebuano. Subukan po naming unawain at interpret. Alright. You 00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:37.000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: may proceed, Attorney Legudan. 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:45.700 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Salamat. Ma'am, sinabi mo, andito ka kasi nga pinasabbi na ka. Pinasabbi na ng impeachment court, di ba po ba? 00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:47.140 Gina F. Acosta: Yes po. 00:50:47.420 --> 00:51:04.500 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, na-mention din, na nasabi rin na ikaw ay isang special disbursing officer, hindi lang sa Davao City, pati na rin. So, office of the Vice President. Yung tanong now is, what funds? 00:51:06.100 --> 00:51:14.720 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Anong klaseng pondo po yung didi-disperse nyo bilang isang special disbursing officer po? 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:17.780 Gina F. Acosta: Confidential funds po, Your Honor. 00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:41.920 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Confidential funds. So, na-mention mo yung confidential funds. Now, sinabi mo, ma'am, na ikaw ay andito. Kasi nga, napasabpi na ka. Ma'am, yung tanong ma'am is, ito po ba ang unang pagkakataon na kayo ay napasabpi na para tumistigo? 00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:49.180 Gina F. Acosta: This is my second time. Pangalawang time na po ito, Your Honor. 00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:59.330 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And then, pag sinabi niyo pong pangalawang time, ma'am, kailan yun? Kailan yung unang pagkakataon? 00:51:59.410 --> 00:52:02.950 Gina F. Acosta: Yung pong sa House of Representatives, Your Honor. 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:12.760 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, House of Representatives. Maalala nyo yung PETSA, Ma'am? Kailan kayo nag-appear before the House of Representatives? 00:52:17.720 --> 00:52:22.710 Gina F. Acosta: November, November 2025. 00:52:28.580 --> 00:52:29.560 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Taon po is? 00:52:31.490 --> 00:52:32.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Anong taon? 00:52:33.210 --> 00:52:34.610 Gina F. Acosta: No, 2025. 00:52:36.130 --> 00:52:38.310 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po 2024? 00:52:41.780 --> 00:52:42.300 Gina F. Acosta: 2020. 00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:45.760 Gina F. Acosta: Sandali lang sir ha. Sige, 00:52:45.800 --> 00:53:19.420 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sige. Anyways ma'am, basta sinasabi niyo po, secondary na po yung taon because it's on record naman. Pero nasabi niyo, ito po yung pangalawang pagkakataon na kayo ay naimbitahan po na tumistigo. kasi po may sabi na. Now, yung tanong ma'am is, this is preliminary question, ikaw ba ay nakatanggap na ng isang reklamong kriminal or administratiba na may pagkakaugnay sa paggamit ng confidential funds? 00:53:19.700 --> 00:53:24.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pleading, Your Honor. Exactly, I just said preliminary, Your Honor. Preliminary, counsel, 00:53:24.560 --> 00:53:25.600 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: witness may answer? 00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:28.820 Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor. Aha. 00:53:29.370 --> 00:53:46.130 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So, sinasabi mo, Ma'am, na wala pa kayong natatanggap na reklamo. Yun po yung sagot nyo, diba? Ma'am, ipinapakita ko ngayon, Ma'am, yung isang counter-epidemic. 00:53:47.850 --> 00:54:02.590 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay? Your Honor, I move that the Prosecution Council, Attorney Jay, be allowed to confront the witness with the documents. And we'll be, that is a continuing motion because we'll be doing that for the rest of the remainder of the testimony, Your Honor. 00:54:02.710 --> 00:54:05.690 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Assisting counsels from both parties may approach. 00:54:08.310 --> 00:54:11.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor. Yes. Yes, Attorney Baquel. 00:54:12.370 --> 00:54:18.400 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May we know the purpose of the questioning of the prosecution? 00:54:19.700 --> 00:54:30.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, I am tempted to state that but we are leading there. We are about to establish the ground for to make this witness an hostile witness. May we not be 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: preempted, Your Honor? You answered the query of counsel. You may 00:54:35.520 --> 00:55:51.690 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: proceed. Your Honor, please. This witness, Madam Acosta, is facing a complaint together with the Vice President exactly because of their misuse of confidential funds. Your Honor. It is stated in the witnesses' counter-affidavit that the Vice President is not responsible or should not be held liable for any misuse of confidential funds. Your Honor, that interest is directly adverse to the prosecution's case before this impeachment court. The prosecution seeks to prove otherwise that this witness, that the Vice President, rather, is responsible for the illegal disbursement of confidential funds. Therefore, if on one hand, sinasabi ng testigo sa counter-affidavit niya na walang pagkakasala yung Vice President sa maling paggamit ng confidential funds, that's on one hand. On the other hand naman, sinasabi ng prosecution, Your Honor, please, na no, hindi, may ebidensya, it's so clear, na kailangan, kailangan. 00:55:53.670 --> 00:56:05.070 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Managot yung Vice President for misusing public funds. Now, this is the time, Your Honor, please. Okay? If the Good Counsel will allow, 00:56:06.600 --> 00:56:22.940 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: with the presentation of a counter-affidavit by the witness stating under oath that the Vice President did not misuse confidential funds in direct conflict 00:56:25.870 --> 00:56:37.030 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: With the prosecution's case, Your Honor, please, we now invoke Section 13, Rule 132 of the Revised Rules and Evidence, if the court may allow. 00:56:40.040 --> 00:56:58.940 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, according to Section 13, Rule 132, a witness may be considered as an unwilling or hostile if so declared by the courts upon adequate showing. Yun yung una po, Your Honor. Adverse interests. 00:57:01.060 --> 00:58:35.120 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Miss Acosta, the witness, has an adverse interest in this case as her position as shown sa counter-affidavit niya is clearly inconsistent with the position of the prosecution that called her as a witness. The prosecution presents her to prove that the respondent misappropriated confidential funds. Sa kabilang panig, sinasabi ni Ms. Acosta, yung Vice President complied sa lahat ng rules saka batas sa paggamit ng confidential funds. Sinasabi ni Ms. Acosta, hindi nag-misuse si Vice Presidente Sara Duterte ng kahit isang sentimo ng confidential funds. We now invoke the case of People v. Che Chun Ting. GR number 130-568-69 dated March 21, 2000. Supreme Court dealt with a hostile witness. Kasi nga adverse yung interest doon. Sinasabi sa kaso ngayon, having an adverse interest meant, eto, that the position or interest was adverse to what the party called or wanted to establish or prove. yun po yung bataya ng Supreme Court. Kung yung posisyon ng isang witness ay salungat sa posisyon ng partidong nagpapatawag sa kanya, sa kaso ng 00:58:35.120 --> 00:58:35.820 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: iyan, sabi ng 00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:45.340 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Supreme Court, established na po yung requirement ng adverse interests sa ilalim ng rules of courts. 00:58:48.120 --> 00:59:02.120 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, the respondent respectfully submits that the adverse interest must be shown by the prosecution through an examination of the witness and not through a mere motion or manifestation, Your Honor. 00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:09.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: He just did, counsel, by showing the position taken by the witness in her counter-affidavit. 00:59:09.300 --> 00:59:55.440 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Additionally, Your Honor, the defense also submits that the mere fact of dependency of the criminal case This not satisfy the requirement of adverse interest under the rules of evidence, considering that it apparently constitutes to a mere expectation that the witness will testify unfavorably to the prosecution, which is not within the ambit of the rules. Considering that the declaration of a witness as hostile presupposes that the prosecution would face difficulty in obtaining answers from the witness on account of such adverse interests, Your Honor. 00:59:56.570 --> 01:00:02.660 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Allow the presiding officer. Ms. Gina? Saan po kayo nagtatrabaho ngayon sa Office of the Vice President? Tama po? 01:00:03.200 --> 01:00:04.000 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:00:05.180 --> 01:00:07.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sino po ang boss niyo sa Office of the Vice President? 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.500 Gina F. Acosta: Si Vice President Sara Duterte. 01:00:11.200 --> 01:00:13.140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Permanente po ba kayo doon o coterminous? 01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:15.100 Gina F. Acosta: Coterminous po, Your Honor. 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:19.160 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So pag wala na si VP Sara doon sa OBP, wala na rin po kayo? 01:00:19.720 --> 01:00:20.580 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:25.860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So pag na-impeach si VP Sara o matanggal siya, wala na rin po kayong trabaho doon? 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:29.940 Gina F. Acosta: Wala na po akong trabaho sa OVP. 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:34.540 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sa OVP, syempre. Maalis kayo sa OVP. Tama po? 01:00:35.040 --> 01:00:35.860 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:00:36.060 --> 01:01:05.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: In addition to the ground raised by Attorney Ligutan, that witness has taken a position by virtue of her counter-affidavit filed before the Office of the Ombudsman. The court hereby declares the witness to be a hostile witness under and in accordance with Rule 132, Section 13. However, for the information of the senator-judges and the public and councils as well, this only gives Attorney Ligutan the right to ask leading questions, still not allowed to ask misleading questions. As I know, Attorney Ligutan is well aware of the distinction. 01:01:06.980 --> 01:01:07.880 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, Your Honor. 01:01:08.120 --> 01:01:15.070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. To abbreviate the proceedings, the witness is so declared and Attorney Ligutan may ask leading questions of this witness. It's ordered. 01:01:15.310 --> 01:02:11.300 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Maraming salamat. Madam Witness, kayo po, ma'am, ay isang hostile witness na. So, ma'am, I can now ask you questions. Sorry for a brief beside. Pero, ma'am, wala tanag-away, ha? We are not enemies. Okay? Andito po tayo sa isang bagay lang. Ano yung totoo? kung sa'y tinuod, kung sa'y kamaturan. Let's proceed. Madam Witness, you already mentioned, in fact established, na bago ka naging SDO para sa Office of the Vice President, ikaw rin ang SDO na nag-a-handle ng confidential funds po para sa Davao City. Alala mo po ba yan? Your Honor. That's preliminary, preliminary, Your Honor. 01:02:11.750 --> 01:02:13.630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Baquel? 01:02:37.620 --> 01:02:41.360 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: are at issue in this case, Your Honor. Can I respond 01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:41.640 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: to 01:02:41.640 --> 01:02:41.780 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: that, 01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:42.440 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, please? 01:02:42.580 --> 01:03:18.230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Chair already made a ruling in regard to that, Attorney Baquel. We will allow it to establish pattern and or behavior but not to add to the articles of impeachment against the Vice President. That is quite clear. Not only to counsels, but also to the senator-judges and for the public as well. But the Chair would like to note, if you would like to make one, a continuing objection insofar as this line of questioning is concerned. Yes, Your Honor. Continuing objection of counsel to this line of questioning is hereby noted. Thank you so 01:03:18.230 --> 01:03:19.810 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: much. We are also, we 01:03:19.810 --> 01:03:52.990 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: will be continually invoking isang rule sa rules a procedure Rule 130, Section 35. Exactly. I think that's what the honorable presiding officer had in mind. Rule 130, Section 5. Allowing presentation of evidence on previous acts to prove specific intent, knowledge, identity, plan, system, scheme, habit, custom, usage, or the like. 01:03:56.430 --> 01:04:01.180 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: maaintindihan ng ating mga kababayan, pattern. May pattern. 01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:03.340 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: May proceed, Your Honor? You may proceed, counsel. 01:04:03.620 --> 01:04:13.180 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Thank you. So therefore, madam, yung paghahandle po ng confidential funds hindi na bago sa inyo. Tama po ba? 01:04:15.820 --> 01:04:25.440 Gina F. Acosta: Ano po, Your Honor? Pamilya lang po ako sa pagiging SDO, Special Disbursement Officer. 01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:41.880 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Alright, now. And ma'am, familiar din po kayo sa mga dokumento or reports na kailangang ihanda bago po magamit 01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:42.260 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ng 01:04:42.260 --> 01:04:49.140 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: isang opisina gaya ng Office of the Vice President ng Confidential Funds. Tama po ba? 01:04:49.600 --> 01:04:51.220 Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Opo. 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:53.880 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Thank you so much, ma'am. In fact, madam, 01:04:56.490 --> 01:05:39.290 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You are familiar with Joint Circular 2015-01. In particular, nakasaad dyan, paragraph 4.2. May we be allowed, Your Honor, please, to... Ayan. Ma'am, nakasulat po sa paragraph 4.2 ng Joint Circular 2015-01 na lahat ng allocations ng confidential funds Dapat supported by yung unang dokumento, ma'am, nakasulat dyan, physical and financial plan. Familiar po kayo sa provision na ito, ma'am, di ba? 01:05:40.470 --> 01:05:42.170 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Okay, 01:05:42.190 --> 01:06:00.990 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ma'am. Salamat po. Now, according sa provision na ito, ang pagdi-disperse, okay, ang paggagamit, Ma'am, what's Visaya for disbursement? Kung alam niyo po. Ano ba yung Visaya? What term do we use? Cebuano-Visaya for disbursement? 01:06:01.250 --> 01:06:02.490 Gina F. Acosta: Ang pag-release. 01:06:02.890 --> 01:06:23.490 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pag-release. Okay. Kailangan base yan sa physical and financial plan. Okay. Therefore, hindi po pwede na may marirelease na confidential funds kung walang tinatawag na PFP. No? physical and financial plan. Tama po ba? 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:26.600 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. 01:06:26.620 --> 01:06:54.550 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tama po, ma'am. Di po ba, ma'am, kinukumpirma mo na para sa ikaapat at huling quarter ng 2022 para mairelease yung 125 million pesos na confidential funds, sinasabi niyo, nag-comply naman yung Office of the Vice President sa kinakailangang physical and financial plan. Tama po ba? 01:06:54.810 --> 01:06:55.890 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:06:56.250 --> 01:07:12.880 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tama po ba? Now, in fact, ma'am, pumerma ka at nagsumiti kayo ng isang physical and financial plan na yung petsa is December 13, 2022. Tama po ba, ma'am? 01:07:14.450 --> 01:07:20.970 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko maalala exactly ang number, Your Honor, pero nag-himot niyo physical financial plan. 01:07:21.780 --> 01:07:24.820 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Dagnaghimo, Your Honor, means gumawa sila ng 01:07:24.820 --> 01:07:25.560 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: physical and 01:07:25.560 --> 01:07:38.640 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: financial plan. Thank you so much. Now, so para po maalala natin, ma'am, ipapakita natin ngayon yung isang physical and financial plan. 01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:50.940 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Mark as P-I-14-1 for the prosecution. Show the document on the screen. 01:07:52.660 --> 01:07:53.520 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: and to the witness. 01:07:58.170 --> 01:08:08.340 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, yung physical and financial plan, ipinirmahan po ni Rosalyn Sanchez tsaka ni Sara Z. Duterte. Tama po ba? 01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:09.860 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:15.180 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, maalala mo now yung dokumentong ito. Tama po ba? 01:08:16.060 --> 01:08:17.780 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. And 01:08:17.780 --> 01:08:28.900 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: then, base sa dokumentong ito, ma'am, sinasabi dyan, ikaw yung tinatawag natin na Project Accountable Officer. Tama po ba? 01:08:30.040 --> 01:08:31.040 Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. 01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:54.670 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: In fact, ma'am, you will also confirm na pinirmahan niyo po yung PFP as the Project Accountable Officer. Nakasulat dyan, ma'am. Diba, ma'am, nakasulat dyan? Prepared by. Ibig sabihin, kayo po, ma'am, yung nag-prepare. 01:08:56.440 --> 01:08:59.120 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ng PFP. Based on document. Based on document. 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:07.480 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor, pero during paghimuan ni Your Honor, kasama ko po ang aming security officer, Your Honor. 01:09:08.200 --> 01:09:19.240 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: By paghimuan, it means while we were making this, I was with the our security officer. Ma'am, tama po yung interpretation ko, di po ba? 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:32.990 Gina F. Acosta: Kasama ko po ang aming security officer, Your Honor, kasi Sa kanya po ako nakihingi ng mga inputs or guidelines in preparation for the fiscal financial plan. 01:09:33.270 --> 01:10:10.340 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Maraming salamat for that. But we will go into that, ma'am. We will go into that. Taabot po tayo sa punto niyan. Okay po, ma'am? Now, ma'am, bilang po project accountable officer, ikaw nakasulat dyan, ikaw yung nagprepara ng plano, ikaw din. being the officer, accountable officer. Yung naglista ng mga confidential funds. Ma'am, yung paglista, ma'am, ha? Yung tanong ko, ha? Paglista ng confidential funds, programs, and activities na nasusulat sa physical and financial plan. Di po ba? 01:10:12.460 --> 01:10:14.460 Gina F. Acosta: Pwede usabon, Your Honor, ang question. 01:10:15.020 --> 01:10:21.760 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ako usabon, ma'am, no? Bilang project accountable officer. 01:10:23.310 --> 01:10:30.930 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: The one who prepared the plan, ikaw din yung naglista. Yung naglista ba? 01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:32.380 Gina F. Acosta: Tulad. 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:45.080 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sa plano, sa plan, ano yung mga programa at activities? Yung paglilista po. Kayo po yun, di ba? As the project accountable officer, the one who prepared the plan. Tama po ba? 01:10:45.500 --> 01:10:47.120 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po with the... 01:10:49.990 --> 01:10:52.770 Gina F. Acosta: tulong po ng security officer. Yes, ma 01:10:52.770 --> 01:10:52.950 Gina F. Acosta: 'am. 01:10:52.950 --> 01:11:12.690 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: We'll go into that. Ma'am, let's continue. Now, makikita natin sa plano, ma'am, na inlistan nyo under the column programs with an S, activities with an S, projects with an S, 01:11:14.410 --> 01:11:20.600 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: PAP. Ma'am, ano yung nakasulat dyan? Ano yung programa sa mga programs? 01:11:22.670 --> 01:11:30.770 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: activities, projects. Anong programa yung sinulat niyo dyan? Good governance program. 01:11:31.230 --> 01:11:34.170 Gina F. Acosta: Sorry, Your Honor. Hadikai. Dilikayo ko. 01:11:35.870 --> 01:11:41.150 Gina F. Acosta: Dilikayo ko kabasa, Your Honor, kay Gagmay Kayo ang letra. The 01:11:41.150 --> 01:11:42.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: witness 01:11:42.850 --> 01:11:47.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: said hindi niya kayang basahin dahil maliit yung mga letra. 01:11:48.590 --> 01:11:54.890 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So, you can peruse the document even without. Okay? Pwede ba mas? Ayan, ma'am, di ba? 01:11:55.290 --> 01:11:56.150 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Good governance program. 01:11:56.150 --> 01:12:02.910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Attorney Ligutan, if you're approaching the witness, kindly bring the mic para hindi mahirapan yung ating gumagawa ng TSN. 01:12:03.330 --> 01:12:03.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Alright. 01:12:05.290 --> 01:12:07.490 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Now, ma'am, okay 01:12:12.740 --> 01:12:13.120 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: na po ba? 01:12:13.540 --> 01:12:14.240 Gina F. Acosta: Okay po. 01:12:14.260 --> 01:12:17.100 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, now, yung tanong is, ano ba 01:12:17.100 --> 01:12:17.540 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: itong 01:12:17.540 --> 01:12:22.720 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: good governance program na ito? What is this all about? 01:12:23.490 --> 01:12:53.060 Gina F. Acosta: Ito po yung mga programa ng opisina ng Office of the Vice President na nakalista na po sa buong taon. Halimbawa po, yung libring sakay, yung plant at risk millionaires, or million, kalimutan ko sir, libring sakay, yung financial, medical, Medical assistance, Your 01:12:53.060 --> 01:13:09.120 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor. Okay. So, ma'am, yun yung mga sinasabi mong mga programa under this program. Yun yung sinasabi mo, di ba? Ma'am, sino po yung nag-conceptualize? Sino pong bumuo o nag-isip ng programang ito? 01:13:11.620 --> 01:13:20.460 Gina F. Acosta: Ang opisina po ng Office of the Vice President, Your Honor, with coordination po sa aming security officer. 01:13:22.180 --> 01:13:27.360 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now. Kailan po nabuo ang planong ito? 01:13:32.480 --> 01:13:37.240 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sa security officer naman, yung nag-conceptualize, di po ba, 01:13:37.490 --> 01:13:38.990 Gina F. Acosta: ng 01:13:38.990 --> 01:13:39.750 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: mga planong ito? 01:13:39.890 --> 01:13:41.730 Gina F. Acosta: Repeat, Your Honor, sa question. 01:13:42.370 --> 01:13:54.390 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sino yung kailan na conceptualize? Ito yung tanong. Kailan nabuo or napag-isipan or na-conceptualize itong good governance program? Kailan? 01:13:56.520 --> 01:14:07.160 Gina F. Acosta: Sa pag... Sa pag ano na, Your Honor, pag kimo na o pag-request na ni Ma'am VP ng confidential funds. 01:14:07.860 --> 01:14:24.050 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: When the Vice President requested for confidential funds. Ma'am, may mga pag-aaral ba o pagsasaliksik na ginawa ang inyong opisina to come up with the program? 01:14:25.770 --> 01:14:28.690 Gina F. Acosta: Wala akong personal knowledge, Anna, Your Honor. 01:14:29.930 --> 01:14:43.030 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: May proseso ba o kriteriya na ginamit to select of all programs, good governance programs? Wala po. 01:14:43.670 --> 01:14:45.950 Gina F. Acosta: Wala akong kabalo, Your Honor. 01:14:46.450 --> 01:14:53.090 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: By wala'y kabalo, it means wala po akong personal knowledge. Wala po akong alam. 01:14:55.890 --> 01:14:56.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am. 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:04.100 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: We're fine here, okay? 01:15:08.050 --> 01:15:15.030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let's continue, Your Honor. You may continue, counsel, but the public is reminded to kindly put their phones in silent mode. 01:15:15.250 --> 01:15:15.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, now. 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:18.400 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, 01:15:21.540 --> 01:15:49.790 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sinabi niyo, ma'am, na wala po kayong alam, wala kayong personal knowledge, kasi po, hindi naman po ikaw yung nag-identify ng mga programa. Tsaka mga activities na nakasulat sa 2022 Physical and Financial Plan. Tama po ba? 01:15:51.860 --> 01:15:53.140 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. 01:15:53.840 --> 01:16:10.340 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: In fact, ma'am, you will admit, confirm, na noong November 25, 2024, yung pagdinig ng Committee on Good Governments and Accountability, you 01:16:11.850 --> 01:17:08.490 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: merely ask a security officer Colonel La Chica. What to state in the physical and financial plan as confidential activities in relation sa paggamit ng Office of the Vice President ng Confidential Funds. To aid your memory, Your Honor, please, we are showing on the screen, on the screen, a portion of the transcript of the Committee on Good Government and Accountability hearing. November 25, 2024 where sinasabi ng witness that all information that will be reflected in the physical and financial plan of the Office of the Vice President which she prepared galing lang sa isang security officer si Colonel Achica. 01:17:09.700 --> 01:17:26.170 Gina F. Acosta: Siya po ang nagbigay sa akin ng inputs, Your Honor, or mga guidelines, Your Honor, kung ano po ang mga activities in relation po sa pagkandak po ng confidential operations or activities. 01:17:26.610 --> 01:17:31.330 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Salamat, ma'am. Ma'am, who is this Colonel La Chica? 01:17:31.710 --> 01:17:32.290 Gina F. Acosta: Si 01:17:34.050 --> 01:17:47.580 Gina F. Acosta: Colonel La Chica po ay siya po ang commanding officer ng aming BPSPG, at siya din ang aming security officer ng Office of the Vice President. 01:17:48.020 --> 01:17:56.720 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Si Colonel La Chica, yung full name niya po ay si Colonel Raymond Dante La Chica. Tama po ba? 01:17:57.160 --> 01:17:59.280 Gina F. Acosta: Muna yung full name, Your Honor. 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:42.200 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yun yung full name niya. Now, thank you so much. Nag-agsalamat, ma'am. Now, hindi po ba na-aside po na si La Chica? Colonel La Chica yung magsasabi sa iyo ano yung isusula sa plan, hindi po ba na the same? Colonel La Chica, yung nagbibigay sa iyo ng mga listahan ng object of expenditures where the confidential funds will be used. Ma'am, before you answer that, to remind you, eto naman, page 126 po ng transcript of the C. GGPA hearing dated November 25, 2024. 01:18:45.020 --> 01:18:57.670 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nakasaad dyan, inamin niyo, under oath ma'am, na iyong nagbibigay sa iyo ng listahan ng object of expenditures, paano gagamitin yung confidential funds. 01:18:59.330 --> 01:19:13.250 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ikaw po yung nagprepara, pero si Col. La Chica yung nagsasabi sa iyo sa mga listahan ng paggagamitan ng confidential funds. Based on that transcript. Tama po ba? 01:19:14.050 --> 01:19:18.350 Gina F. Acosta: Sorry, Your Honor, nalibog ko sa imahang question. Taas man kaayo. 01:19:18.790 --> 01:19:46.040 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: We have to clarify. By nalibog, ibig sabihin, confused. Na-confused po. Now, ma'am, base po sa November 25, 2024 hearing, inamin niyo po na si Colonel La Chica yung nagbibigay sa iyo ng listahan ng Object of Expenditures for Confidential Funds. Tama po ba? 01:19:48.180 --> 01:19:52.400 Gina F. Acosta: Object of Expenditures. Yes, Your Honor. Yes, Your 01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:53.440 Gina F. Acosta: Honor. Nag 01:19:53.440 --> 01:19:57.110 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: -agsalamat, ma'am. Ma'am, eto na yung tanong, ma'am. 01:19:58.890 --> 01:20:15.420 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Isn't it po na yung paggagawa, pagpre-prepara ng plano, tsaka yung pagdidetali, pagdidetali ng Objects of 01:20:15.420 --> 01:20:16.000 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: expenditures, 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:21.970 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: hindi po ba trabaho niyo yun? Bilang 01:20:21.970 --> 01:20:22.830 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: special 01:20:23.120 --> 01:20:39.220 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: disbursing officer being the project accountable officer as indicated in the plan prepared by. Hindi po ba dapat kayo yun? 01:20:39.400 --> 01:20:43.160 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel for the respondent. We respectfully 01:20:43.160 --> 01:20:49.120 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: object, Your Honor. on the ground of being compound and argumentative, Your Honor. 01:20:51.940 --> 01:20:53.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Objection is overruled. Witness may answer. 01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:58.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pakisagot po yung tanong, Ma 'am 01:20:58.740 --> 01:21:00.020 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Gina. 01:21:02.370 --> 01:21:09.010 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, pwede po usbon ang iyang pangutana. Taas mang good, Your Honor. Yes, Ma 01:21:09.010 --> 01:21:13.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'am. I will, Ma'am. Para kay Gina Acosta, I will do that. Ma'am. 01:21:13.550 --> 01:21:14.030 Gina F. Acosta: Salamat. 01:21:15.890 --> 01:21:35.320 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay now, hindi po ba na yung pagdadraft ng physical and financial plan, trabaho niyo bilang project accountable officer as indicated by the note prepared by in the plan. Di ba trabaho niyo dapat yan? 01:21:36.320 --> 01:21:44.100 Gina F. Acosta: Trabaho ko po yan with the inputs or guidelines sa aming security officer, Your Honor. Yes, 01:21:44.100 --> 01:22:01.430 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ma'am. Ma'am, hindi po ba? na yung paglilista ng expenditures, ma'am, sa planong iyan, as indicated by the note, prepared by you being the project accountable officer, hindi po ba trabaho niyo rin po yan? 01:22:01.730 --> 01:22:03.330 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. Ask and answer. 01:22:03.430 --> 01:22:07.770 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Wala, iba yun. Yung kanina was drafting, now is detailing of the list of expenses. 01:22:08.590 --> 01:22:10.230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly address the court, counsel. 01:22:11.830 --> 01:22:12.890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may answer. 01:22:15.080 --> 01:22:16.180 Gina F. Acosta: Ano po yun, sir? 01:22:16.300 --> 01:22:37.770 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, kanina sinabi mo yung pag-prepare para trabaho niyo with inputs ni Colonel Chica. Yung tanong nao is, yung paglilista, pagdidetalye ng expenditures. Opo, di ba trabaho niyo rin po yan as SDO slash Project Accountable Officer as indicated by the note, prepared by. 01:22:40.150 --> 01:23:03.220 Gina F. Acosta: Ang pagsulat po, ako, pero ang... Ang mga expenses po kung unsa ang gamiton kay Sir, kay security officer po kasi siya po ang mag-implement ng various confidential operation activities. Kaya siya po ang eksperto dito sa ground, Your Honor. 01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:13.160 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So therefore, ma'am, kayo po yung taga-sulat sa lahat ng gustong ispasulat ni Colonel Achica. Tama po ba? 01:23:13.820 --> 01:23:23.980 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Misleading, Your Honor. Misleading, counsel. The witness did not say that. She said she was getting inputs from Colonel La Chica. Your Honor, that's a follow-up question, Your Honor, 01:23:23.980 --> 01:23:24.800 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: please. That's a 01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:41.950 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: follow-up question. So I'm confirming with her that it was Colonel La Chica who told her what to write, what to input. That's the question, Your Honor, please. On the basis of her previous answer that it was with the inputs of Colonel La Chica. So that's a question by itself, Your Honor, please. A follow-up question. 01:23:42.890 --> 01:23:50.750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am Gina, kayo po ang nagta-type dito sa form na to. Pag sinabing prepared by you, kayo po yung nag-type, nag-sulat. 01:23:51.070 --> 01:23:53.090 Gina F. Acosta: Ako po ang nag-sulat, Your Honor. 01:23:53.430 --> 01:24:00.770 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pero kinukuha niyo po yung sinusulat ninyo mula kay Colonel Lachica. Kumukuha po kayo ng input sa kanya kung anong ita-type o isusulat niyo dyan. 01:24:00.930 --> 01:24:02.670 Gina F. Acosta: After we discuss, po, Your Honor. 01:24:04.170 --> 01:24:05.890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pagkatapos niyo mag-usap ni Colonel Lachica. 01:24:06.290 --> 01:24:07.210 Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. 01:24:07.650 --> 01:24:13.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ibig sabihin po ba nun, pwede niyong sabihin kay Colonel Lachica, maliyag. Hindi pwede yan. 01:24:14.130 --> 01:24:14.570 Gina F. Acosta: O 01:24:14.570 --> 01:24:17.030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: sinusunod niyo lang po lahat ng sinasabi niya? 01:24:17.670 --> 01:24:34.090 Gina F. Acosta: Mangutana, nangutana ako sa iya, Your Honor, kung unsan na, Your Honor, ngano ka na ang gastuhon, Your Honor, asa na, paunsan na siya maka, maka, paunsan na siya na related sa confidential, Your Honor. 01:24:34.250 --> 01:24:40.890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So tinatanong niyo lang po siya, ano yan, para saan yan, pasok ba yan sa confidential, paano hindi, at pag sumagot siya, isusunod niyo po yan. 01:24:41.610 --> 01:24:46.210 Gina F. Acosta: Kung ma-satisfy ko po sa iyong i-explain sa ko ay Your Honor. 01:24:46.510 --> 01:24:49.850 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pag nakontento kayo sa paliwanag niya, ilalagay niyo po. 01:24:50.210 --> 01:24:52.810 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Okay. Tony Ligudan, 01:24:52.810 --> 01:25:07.930 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: your witness. Thank you so much. Now, going back, Madam Witness, going to the physical and financial plan for the so-called Good Governance Program, you will confirm you allocated 125 million pesos. Tama po ba? 01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:10.640 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:25:10.980 --> 01:25:15.980 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: In facts, ma'am, as can be seen, show the plan again. 01:25:17.510 --> 01:25:18.290 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You 01:25:18.870 --> 01:25:44.380 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: did not list specific activities under the good governance program. Ulitin ko, wala po kayong inilista ng mga specific particular activities under the good governance program. Wala po kayong nakalistang specific activities. 01:25:44.740 --> 01:25:47.940 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. Original document rule, Your Honor. Can 01:25:47.940 --> 01:26:08.840 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I explain? Can I rebut that? Witness may... What's your comment, Attorney Legutan? Your Honor, I would not... I don't want to put the defense on the spot. Your Honor, please. That is, with all respect, a wrong invocation of the original document rule. The original document rule simply states na hindi po pwede... 01:26:10.570 --> 01:26:11.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po puwedeng 01:26:17.290 --> 01:26:48.040 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: magpresenta ng ebidensya na secondary kung hindi ipipresenta yung original. Pero Your Honor, the fact na yung original ay nasa harap na sa isang witness, I don't see anywhere in the rules that will prohibit counsel from propounding questions. on the basis of that document. 01:26:48.540 --> 01:26:48.980 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: For 01:26:48.980 --> 01:26:49.440 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: me... 01:26:49.440 --> 01:27:09.160 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Besides counsel, Atty. Bachel, the counsel is not trying to change the contents of the document. He's merely asking the witness to explain the contents of the document. Ms. Acosta, you may answer, ma'am. Ang nilagay niyo lamang po, good governance... Ano 01:27:09.160 --> 01:27:10.340 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: po yan? Program po. 01:27:11.140 --> 01:27:15.220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Programs at wala po kayo nilagay na detalye ng mga programang yan. 01:27:16.340 --> 01:27:26.500 Gina F. Acosta: Wala po akong nilagay na detail, Your Honor, kasi sa GC po, Your Honor, wala naman po nakabutang dito na i-itemize, Your Honor. 01:27:28.340 --> 01:27:35.180 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, let's go to paragraph 6.1 ng Joint Circular 2015. 01:27:38.020 --> 01:27:40.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, show it please. 01:27:42.430 --> 01:27:59.110 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Di po ba sa 6.1 sinasabi dyan? Cash advances shall be used for specific legal purpose. 01:28:01.510 --> 01:28:28.650 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: At saka 5.2.2, nakasulat dyan, agencies shall report the specific detail of the corresponding expenditures. In two instances po, nakasulat sa joint circular yung term na specific. And you will stand by your answer. Argumentative, Your Honor. Wait, wait, 01:28:28.670 --> 01:28:28.810 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: wait. 01:28:28.930 --> 01:28:40.140 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I'm just confirming. I'm just confirming. Despite these two provisions, you are of the opinion, Madam, na 01:28:41.670 --> 01:28:46.070 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: walang requirement na dapat specific. Argumentative, 01:28:46.070 --> 01:28:49.170 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor. Objection is overruled. Witness will answer, please. 01:28:51.280 --> 01:29:15.500 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, sa mga dokumento po nga i-attach dito sa confidential funds liquidation, dagahan po ang document, Your Honor, na i-submit ni mo nga na ay documents dito na kailangan i-itemize ni mo, Your Honor. In 01:29:15.500 --> 01:29:16.940 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: the report. Your 01:29:16.940 --> 01:29:18.750 Gina F. Acosta: Honor. sa isa sa 01:29:18.750 --> 01:29:26.270 Gina F. Acosta: mga dokumento na i-attach nimo dito, i-liquidate nimo sa confidential funds, Your Honor. 01:29:26.610 --> 01:29:31.450 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. Let me state that for the record. Correct me if I'm wrong, Ma'am Gina. 01:29:33.030 --> 01:29:52.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yung binabanggit po niyong pag-comply, walang nakalagay specifically sa joint circular, na dapat specific yun, dun sa, what's that, counsel? physical and financial plan po. Pero sa dokumentong sinasubmit, nandoon na 01:29:52.810 --> 01:29:54.090 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: yung mga detalye, ma'am Gina. 01:29:54.980 --> 01:29:56.040 Gina F. Acosta: Inanak, Your Honor. 01:29:56.360 --> 01:29:57.120 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your 01:29:57.120 --> 01:29:57.980 Gina F. Acosta: Honor. 01:30:00.940 --> 01:30:28.750 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: There is only, this is another question now. There is only a blanket program, general program, good governance program in the plan and the plan did not mention any surveillance operations by specific number, location or cost. Do you want me to repeat the question or you can answer now? 01:30:28.790 --> 01:30:33.250 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. Askin answered and original document rule, Your Honor. 01:30:34.010 --> 01:30:41.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Not yet answered, counsel. And again, same ruling as your point on the original document rule. Ma 01:30:41.650 --> 01:30:54.560 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'am, yung tanong is, wala pong specific mention ng specific number, location, or cost ng mga sinasabi niyong surveillance operations. Wala doon sa plano, di po ba? 01:30:57.960 --> 01:31:01.720 Gina F. Acosta: pwede mangutana, Your Honor, unsan ang documento, Your Honor. Katong 01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:08.020 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: plano po, yung plano po, physical and financial plan. Nakasulat dyan, good governance program. Anyways, Your Honor, please. 01:31:08.380 --> 01:31:16.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At this juncture, I will agree with counsel for the respondent. Asked and answered, counsel. That's her answer. Thank you so much. Now, aside 01:31:16.420 --> 01:31:32.660 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: from walang surveillance operations by number, location, or cost, wala ding specific targets nakasulat sa plano. for each of the program activities. Tama po ba? Walang specific targets this time. 01:31:34.060 --> 01:31:34.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: By 01:31:34.740 --> 01:31:36.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: all 01:31:36.440 --> 01:31:36.860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: means po. 01:31:40.340 --> 01:31:42.380 Gina F. Acosta: For 2022, Your Honor, 01:31:43.020 --> 01:31:44.640 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: saan 01:31:44.990 --> 01:31:52.620 Gina F. Acosta: mo ang physical financial plan, Your Honor, na ikulong dito nga physical target, Your Honor? 01:31:56.240 --> 01:32:21.480 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, mayroon. Ma'am, yung tanong is, nakasulat lang dyan is, ma'am o, number, period, of identified areas of surveillance conducted and monitored, and then yung pangalawa, letter B, yung ano lang, yung simbolo ng percentage, no? Percentage of activities implemented without specifying, una po, this is the 01:32:21.480 --> 01:32:26.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: first question, ano yung actual number? Wala po, di po ba? Yes po? 01:32:27.370 --> 01:32:31.830 Gina F. Acosta: Wala pa, Your Honor, kaya wala pa manay tabo. Plano pa manay, Your Honor. 01:32:34.260 --> 01:32:34.780 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. 01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:51.190 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So wala pa kasi plano pa lang and then you asked for 125 million pesos. Kahit wala pang activities, plano pa lang. Tama po ba? Misleading, Your Honor. 01:32:53.790 --> 01:32:54.150 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That's a 01:32:54.150 --> 01:32:55.250 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: follow-up question, Your Honor. 01:32:55.890 --> 01:32:56.730 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Objection is sustained. 01:32:58.450 --> 01:33:00.310 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ask based on the document, counsel. 01:33:02.260 --> 01:33:06.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You're referring to the physical target only. Yes, sir. Yes, 01:33:06.240 --> 01:33:11.020 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sir. Now, nakalagay ba dyan yung actual number? 01:33:12.530 --> 01:33:15.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes or no? May numero ba? 01:33:18.120 --> 01:33:19.300 Gina F. Acosta: Wala pa, Your Honor. 01:33:19.580 --> 01:33:33.410 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. May naka-indicate ba na percentage, actual percentage under the category percentage of activities implemented? Wala po ba? Meron ba? Wala. 01:33:34.840 --> 01:33:43.920 Gina F. Acosta: Wala pa, Your Honor. Pero gihimon na, Your Honor, kay naanay approval. Kung asa minakabalo, kung pila ang kwarta, Your Honor, kay naanay saru. 01:33:44.140 --> 01:33:49.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Now, okay. Ma'am. Kindly translate that for the record. Who can translate that, please? 01:33:55.740 --> 01:34:02.460 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: It's indicated because there is already a saru. if the defense will stipulate on that interpretation. 01:34:03.340 --> 01:34:05.820 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may 01:34:05.820 --> 01:34:06.020 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: have 01:34:06.020 --> 01:34:06.480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: your own. 01:34:15.650 --> 01:34:16.530 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor. 01:34:33.870 --> 01:34:48.570 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The translation we're getting is it's not The number and percentage is not there. Yung percentage po at yung bilang, wala po doon. Dahil kaka-release pa lang ng SARO. Tama po ma'am? 01:34:49.070 --> 01:34:50.230 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:34:50.670 --> 01:34:54.430 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. As best as we could, counsel. Please proceed. 01:34:55.010 --> 01:35:13.040 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, the 2022 physical and financial plan allocated, ma'am, nag-allocate po ng 125 billion pesos kahit walang breakdown ng amount for for each specific activity. Tama po ba? 01:35:13.220 --> 01:35:13.520 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: As 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:24.820 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: you answered, Your Honor. There's another angle as to the amount relative to the activity as to the budget that the Office of the Vice President is asking. It's the 01:35:24.820 --> 01:35:29.500 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: same point, Your Honor. Same point, Counsel. Move on. We get what you have established. 01:35:29.780 --> 01:35:33.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Thank you so much. Now, therefore, Madam Witness, yung 01:35:35.690 --> 01:35:41.980 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Office of the Vice President can just include, pupwedeng, 01:35:43.050 --> 01:35:43.370 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: i 01:35:43.370 --> 01:35:57.780 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: -include, i-sama ng Office of the Vice President sa liquidation reports ng kahit anong activity so 01:36:00.310 --> 01:36:14.170 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: long as ililabel siya na parte ng broad good governance program. Do you want me to repeat the question or you can answer now? 01:36:14.390 --> 01:36:14.850 Gina F. Acosta: I will. 01:36:20.590 --> 01:36:22.690 Gina F. Acosta: Clarify, Your Honor. Your 01:36:22.690 --> 01:36:35.910 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor, if the court may allow, I will repeat the question. Therefore, madam, kasi nga walang breakdown, in draft sa paggawa niyo ng liquidation report, 01:36:37.940 --> 01:36:49.470 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: pupwede niyong isama doon sa liquidation report ng kahit anong aktibidad so 01:36:51.580 --> 01:36:54.840 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: long as sasabihin niyo 01:36:56.870 --> 01:37:01.210 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: partyan ng good governance program. Objection, Your Honor. 01:37:01.510 --> 01:37:02.970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What's the basis? 01:37:03.130 --> 01:37:03.270 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What's the 01:37:03.270 --> 01:37:03.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: objection, counsel? 01:37:04.370 --> 01:37:07.330 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Misleading and speculative, Your Honor. It's 01:37:07.330 --> 01:37:10.730 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: not counsel. In fact, I think that's one of the questions some of the senator-judges will ask. 01:37:11.030 --> 01:37:11.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma 01:37:11.510 --> 01:37:11.590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 'am, 01:37:11.590 --> 01:37:12.010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: naintindihan 01:37:12.010 --> 01:37:19.310 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: niyo po yung tanong? Ma'am Gina, naintindihan niyo po yung tanong? 01:37:26.310 --> 01:37:30.570 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Good governance, good governance, what's that 01:37:30.570 --> 01:37:44.470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel? Programs? Good governance program po. Good governance program, ang tanong po niya. So, ano man yung sabihin nila, basta sabihin good governance program, pasok na po yan doon? Sa report po, sa report. Sa report lang po. 01:37:44.730 --> 01:37:58.430 Gina F. Acosta: Sa report na liquidation po. Your Honor, kung pag-ibon ako o liquidation report, nagbasi po ako sa fund utilization report na gihatag sa ako saan mo ang security officer, Your Honor, 01:37:58.590 --> 01:37:58.970 Gina F. Acosta: na 01:37:58.970 --> 01:38:05.070 Gina F. Acosta: makita dito kung asan na gasto ang kwarta unsa nga mga expenses o pila, Your Honor. 01:38:05.090 --> 01:38:10.430 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So ang pinagbabasihan niyo po yung liquidation report noong security officer na si Colonel Lachica, tama po? 01:38:10.530 --> 01:38:11.270 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:38:11.910 --> 01:38:23.330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Out of curiosity, May tinanggihan ba kayong liquidation report na sinabmit ni Cornella Chica o lahat po nang binigay niya sayo ay tinanggap mo na parte ng Good Governance Program? 01:38:24.670 --> 01:38:25.770 Gina F. Acosta: Sa Your Honor. 01:38:26.070 --> 01:38:41.230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Meron po ba kayong tinanggihan na liquidation na sinabmit si Cornella Chica sa 125 million sa last quarter ng 2022 o lahat po nang sinumitin niya na liquidation, tinanggap niyo at sa pananaw niyo ay kasama ng Good Governance Program? 01:38:41.650 --> 01:38:56.800 Gina F. Acosta: Ang lahat ng mga Lahat ng mga reports na giwihatag niya sa koa, Your Honor, akong gidawat, Your Honor, kay siyaman ang nakabalo unsaon pag-implementar sa mga confidential activities, kay siya ang eksperto, Your Honor, dito sa ground, 01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:07.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor. Lahat po nang binigay niya sa inyo, tinanggap niyo, at kinonsideran ninyo na parte ng good governance program dahil saan naman niyo nakakaalam at intindi, dahil saan naman niyo nasa ground. 01:39:08.660 --> 01:39:10.140 Gina F. Acosta: Inanay, Your Honor. Yes, Your 01:39:10.140 --> 01:39:18.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honor. Let me continue on that point, counsel, with your permission and indulgence. So yung tree planting, good governance program po yun. 01:39:21.750 --> 01:39:22.230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yung 01:39:22.230 --> 01:39:29.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: tree planting, binanggit niyo po kanina, tree planting, good governance program po yun. Kasama po yun doon sa pag-liquidate? 01:39:31.050 --> 01:39:37.730 Gina F. Acosta: Ang ibig sabihin, Your Honor, sa pag-gihing mo ang tree planting, Your Honor, na ay gihing mo. 01:39:39.650 --> 01:39:41.590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ang sinatanong ko po, ma'am, yung activity 01:39:41.590 --> 01:39:42.570 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: na 01:39:42.570 --> 01:39:51.730 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: tree planting Barte po yun ng good governance sa pagkakaunawa ninyo na program. Yes or no, ma'am? 01:39:52.330 --> 01:40:04.810 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor, pero usada gihim mo, Your Honor, ang security officer, Your Honor, na gihim mong surveillance, monitoring, Your Honor. 01:40:05.030 --> 01:40:09.610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Nabasa ko po yun. Pati yung libring sakay, part ng good governance. 01:40:11.710 --> 01:40:14.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: May surveillance din po doon. Nakita ko po sa liquidation report. 01:40:15.380 --> 01:40:16.400 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:40:16.620 --> 01:40:17.540 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes. Okay, 01:40:17.620 --> 01:40:21.740 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: counsel, proceed. Thank you so much. Yun yung liquidation report. 01:40:22.220 --> 01:40:22.780 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, 01:40:22.820 --> 01:40:35.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: the point is, punta naman tayo sa accomplishment report. Kasi nga, iba yun, diba? Now, same line of question, but this time, different document. 01:40:38.910 --> 01:40:44.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You can just include. Pupwede nyong isulat sa accomplishment report. 01:40:46.040 --> 01:41:09.160 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: kahit anong na lang activity, kahit anong activity in the accomplishment report this time, not liquidation reports, so long as ililabel niyo lang under yan ng good governance program. You want me to repeat the question, ma'am, or you can answer now? 01:41:14.860 --> 01:41:15.460 Gina F. Acosta: Accomplishment 01:41:15.460 --> 01:41:34.940 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: report this time. Yung kanina po, nag-guess nyo na, liquidation report. Ngayon ngayon yung tanong is sa accomplishment report naman, pareho lang. Kahit anong activity, isasama sa accomplishment report so long as isusulat under good governance program. Tama po ba? 01:41:34.940 --> 01:41:40.080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel, can you confront the witness with the accomplishment report? Assisting counsel, can you forward the accomplishment report? 01:41:42.430 --> 01:41:43.390 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Para maunawaan ang 01:41:43.390 --> 01:41:52.140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: testigo na ibang dokumento na ang pinag-uusapan natin, kanina yung physical and financial plan, ngayon naman yung accomplishment report. 01:42:04.840 --> 01:42:12.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pakitingnan po at pag-aralan yung dokumento, Ma'am Gina, para alam niyo po na yan ang tinutukoy ni Atty. Ligutan sa mga katanungan po niya sa inyo. 01:42:16.100 --> 01:42:17.440 Gina F. Acosta: Excuse me, Your Honor. 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:33.460 Gina F. Acosta: Kajuhamin Agihimo o Accomplishment Report, Your Honor, for 2022. 01:42:36.060 --> 01:42:36.660 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, 01:42:36.700 --> 01:42:36.840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ma 01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:36.940 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 'am. 01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:43.140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung dalawang beses kayo, dalawang beses po kayo gumawa ng Accomplishment Report, Ma'am Gina? 01:42:43.860 --> 01:42:45.000 Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. 01:42:45.180 --> 01:42:47.320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Alin po yan? Yung nauna o yung sumunod? 01:42:47.640 --> 01:42:53.540 Gina F. Acosta: Ang kaninggatag sakwa, Your Honor, mauni ang unang Agihimo, Your Honor. 01:42:53.540 --> 01:42:56.530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yung unang Accomplishment Report. Do you have 01:42:56.530 --> 01:43:02.890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: a copy of the second report? We can leave with one report. 01:43:03.090 --> 01:43:03.630 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: For this 01:43:03.630 --> 01:43:03.990 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: point, Your 01:43:03.990 --> 01:43:06.150 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor, please. I'll ask the direct question. 01:43:07.700 --> 01:43:08.340 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Madam 01:43:08.340 --> 01:43:10.060 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Witness, you are 01:43:10.060 --> 01:43:20.090 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: confirming that there are activities in your report, in the liquidation, in the Accomplishment Report that 01:43:20.090 --> 01:43:20.210 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: you have 01:43:20.210 --> 01:43:20.470 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: read, 01:43:29.390 --> 01:43:31.130 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: and financial plan. Tama po ba? 01:43:32.140 --> 01:43:33.700 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, pagimol na po. 01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:44.840 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, this time po, I hope you don't mind po. The question is simple. So, puwede kang tanungin ng abogado ng kabila. Pero, pag-isagot lang po muna. 01:43:45.360 --> 01:43:48.780 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The witness is answering, Your Honor. Let the witness answer. 01:43:49.900 --> 01:43:51.240 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Allow the witness to answer, 01:43:51.320 --> 01:43:51.540 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: counsel. 01:43:52.200 --> 01:44:15.190 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: May mga aktibidades, activities, programa, kalihukan. in Visaya. Reflected in the reports, accomplishment reports, na hindi naman mababasa, makikita, nailista sa physical and financial plan. Tama po ba? 01:44:16.120 --> 01:44:19.420 Gina F. Acosta: Libog. Nalito ako, Your Honor. 01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:28.910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Anyways, Your Honor. Ma'am, sa accomplishment report, yes, Senator-Judge Zubiri, would you like to offer your services? 01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:43.660 Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Yes, actually, not the services to interpret, but it's possible that Attorney Ligutan could ask the question in Bisaya, so that Mama Costa can understand. 01:44:43.820 --> 01:45:01.100 Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: And then, anyway, it can be objected to by the defense because I know there are three or four of you, Bisaya, Taga Cebu, Tulu, Tulumo Ria, Nakasabot. So you can always object if the translation of Attorney Ligutan is wrong. is different. It's simple Bisaya naman. 01:45:02.700 --> 01:45:34.530 Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Makasabot man ta, pero ang mga Tinagalog din hindi kasabot. But you know, it's very simple. So maybe that way we don't have to keep stopping. Attorney Ligutan can ask the question first in Tagalog and then translate to simple Bisaya. Makatubag ni si ma'am. She can answer. And then... Attorney Ligutan can offer the answer also in Tagalog. If it is not like, of course, approved by the defense, the defense can give a clarification of what the answer of the lady witness has. 01:45:34.530 --> 01:45:40.430 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The point of the Senator-Judge is well taken. Let's try to do that, counsels, with your permission. 01:45:40.770 --> 01:45:41.030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, 01:45:41.090 --> 01:45:42.210 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Attorney Bakel? 01:45:42.750 --> 01:46:01.610 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes, Your Honor. May we respectfully suggest for a Court-appointed interpreter, considering that hindi po kasi ako bisaya, so actually nahihirapan po ako to understand the witness, understand Attorney Ligutan, and understand my colleagues who are likewise. 01:46:02.570 --> 01:46:15.010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If you may, if you will please. We already have an interpreter, actually two of them here, that will course it through the chair if there is a need to do so. Some of the words are understandable. 01:46:16.630 --> 01:46:38.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Anyway, I'm kindly proceed slowly, Attorney Ligutan. But on this issue and this question, Ms. Acosta, ang tanong po sa inyo, may mga nilagay po kayong accomplishment report sa accomplishment report na wala dun sa physical and financial plan. Na sinabi niyo lamang o tinisip niyo lang kasama yan sa good governance program. 01:46:41.010 --> 01:46:45.550 Gina F. Acosta: Accomplishment report, Your Honor, is yung mga expenses na allowable po sa confidential funds. 01:46:45.990 --> 01:46:52.750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Opo, pero wala nga po yan, hindi yan nilagay doon sa physical and financial plan. Nakalagay lang po sa accomplishment report. 01:46:54.300 --> 01:46:54.780 Gina F. Acosta: Sa 01:46:54.780 --> 01:46:57.620 Gina F. Acosta: accomplishment report, Your Honor, actual. 01:46:58.620 --> 01:47:02.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kaya nga, doon nga lang po nakasulat. Sa physical and financial plan, wala po doon. 01:47:04.710 --> 01:47:07.870 Gina F. Acosta: Generic po ang sa physical and financial plan, Your Honor. 01:47:08.150 --> 01:47:08.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Attorney 01:47:08.510 --> 01:47:08.830 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ligutan, 01:47:08.990 --> 01:47:09.270 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: continue. 01:47:11.470 --> 01:47:11.950 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That's a 01:47:11.950 --> 01:47:12.930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: cue to the next question. 01:47:14.570 --> 01:47:15.570 Gina F. Acosta: And 01:47:16.010 --> 01:47:27.290 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: because the program indicated in the plan is broad and general, generic sabi niyo, so 01:47:30.650 --> 01:47:35.140 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: much discretion is 01:47:36.710 --> 01:47:53.230 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: given to the Office of the Vice President on how to utilize confidential funds. Translate into Tagalog, unfortunately I'll be needing What's Tagalog for this question po? 01:47:58.430 --> 01:47:59.370 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Kasi 01:47:59.370 --> 01:48:07.050 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: nga broad general yung program nakasulat sa PFP. 01:48:10.210 --> 01:48:11.730 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Maski ano na lang 01:48:13.360 --> 01:48:15.300 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: kahit 01:48:15.300 --> 01:48:27.500 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: anong gustong gawin magagawa ng Office of the Vice President sa paggamit 01:48:29.430 --> 01:48:31.690 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Confidential funds. You want to state in Visaya po? 01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:34.500 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Kay tungod. 01:48:37.570 --> 01:48:41.530 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: General. Generic. Ang programang nakasulat sa plano. 01:48:46.370 --> 01:48:47.290 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Bisag unsa. 01:48:48.860 --> 01:48:51.980 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So much discretion. Ma'am, I think you understand discretion, di po ba? 01:48:53.200 --> 01:48:54.420 Gina F. Acosta: Um, authority? 01:48:56.500 --> 01:49:11.460 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Dako ang pagbuot sa office of the Vice President kung unsaon nila paggamit. sa confidential funds. Tama po ba? Objection, 01:49:11.460 --> 01:49:11.920 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor. 01:49:13.340 --> 01:49:14.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What's the objection, counsel? 01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:18.700 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Speculative and argumentative, Your Honor. 01:49:18.840 --> 01:49:40.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's not argumentative, counsel. Neither is it speculative. Objection overruled. Ma'am Gina, dahil po kayo nagsabi generic yung good governance program, malaking laya ang nabigay sa inyo. para magsulat ng kung anumang mga programa na papasok doon sa generic na good governance program. 01:49:43.180 --> 01:49:45.080 Gina F. Acosta: Duly, Your Honor, kaya 01:49:45.080 --> 01:49:45.520 Gina F. Acosta: nagbasi 01:49:45.520 --> 01:49:48.280 Gina F. Acosta: ako sa Joint Circular 2015. 01:49:49.400 --> 01:50:02.040 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So ang sagot ay hindi. Hindi ganun kalaki ang kalayaang meron sila dahil binasin niya yung kanyang accomplishment report sa JC2015-1. Tama po ba? 01:50:02.400 --> 01:50:04.380 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Okay. 01:50:04.380 --> 01:50:04.540 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. 01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:04.940 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Rigutan. 01:50:05.480 --> 01:50:26.440 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, showing you again, Madam Witness, the 2022 physical and financial plan. After you prepared the plan, it was noted by a certain Rosaline Sanchez. Is that 01:50:26.440 --> 01:50:26.600 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: correct? 01:50:28.180 --> 01:50:29.420 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:50:30.280 --> 01:50:34.210 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, Your Honor. The document please. And thereafter, 01:50:39.400 --> 01:50:47.600 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You presented the plan kay Inday Sara, Vice President Sara, 01:50:49.230 --> 01:50:53.230 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: for her approval. Tama po ba? 01:50:53.670 --> 01:50:55.010 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Di 01:50:55.010 --> 01:50:55.550 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: pakitaan 01:50:55.550 --> 01:50:56.090 Gina F. Acosta: ako sa iyo. 01:50:56.150 --> 01:51:12.560 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: In this case, did she provide any feedback on the stated generic, coming from your own mouth, good governance program? 01:51:14.620 --> 01:51:15.120 Gina F. Acosta: What is it, 01:51:15.220 --> 01:51:15.500 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor? 01:51:16.860 --> 01:51:19.890 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I'm sure you know feedback. 01:51:47.660 --> 01:51:55.910 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Saan po pumirma si Sara Zimmerman Duterte? Sa parte ng plano, saan jan? 01:51:56.490 --> 01:51:57.390 Gina F. Acosta: Sa approve. 01:51:58.490 --> 01:52:12.630 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Approved by, showing on screen, approved by Sara Z. Duterte, Vice President, Agency Head, Department Secretary, LCE. 01:52:13.170 --> 01:52:18.850 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With the indulgence of Attorney Ligutan, what is the pleasure of Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo? 01:52:20.720 --> 01:52:27.960 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Mr. President, I have here the transcript of the hearing in Congress. 01:52:29.710 --> 01:52:52.130 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Hindi ko po maintindihan bakit parang dito hirap na hirap po siya magtagalog when in fact sa Congress po noong November, itagalog naman po ang sagot niya. Ang tanong po sa kanya ni Congressman Luistro, payment of incentive, 11 po. Would you know whether this amounts would total 120 exactly? Yes, ma'am. Gitotal ko po iyan, ma'am. 120 01:52:52.130 --> 01:52:52.910 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: million po. 01:52:53.650 --> 01:53:55.360 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: It's all... Puro Tagalog, Mr. President. What is this? I mean, mabuti po sana pati yung discretionary. And she's a government official. She doesn't know what discretionary means is. I mean, what it means. Dito po, sumasagot naman po siya. English, Tagalog. Yes po. Are you aware of my authority, Special Dispersing Officer? Kasi po wala akong alam kung paano po i-implement ang mga confidential. Mr. President, tama na po itong paluloko sa atin. Please, Mr. President, compel this witness to talk in Tagalog. Kahit po yung mga Bisaya po nakaintindi ng Tagalog, nakakasalita ng Tagalog, ano tayo sa ibang bansa? Ano tayo? Mga Japon? Mga Chinese? I know, Ms. Witness, you can understand. You can understand Tagalog. You can speak Tagalog. Dahil nandito po ito. Ilang pahina po ito. 01:53:56.990 --> 01:54:12.390 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Tagalog po yung sagot po ninyo. English po, sumasagot kayo. Tinatanong kayo ng English, sumasagot po kayo. Bakit ngayon parang hirap na hirap? Kailangang i-translate sa Tagalog, sa Bisaya. Sagot, Tagalog, Bisaya, Tagalog, Bisaya. E abutin mo tayo ng 01:54:12.390 --> 01:54:15.110 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: isang taon dito, Mr. President. Ito po, yo. 01:54:21.170 --> 01:54:22.790 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: That's all, Mr. President. 01:54:36.380 --> 01:54:50.860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo. Point well taken. Attorney Ligutan, to abbreviate the proceedings, kindly choose one language, English or Filipino, in asking the question. You don't have to translate each time unless the witness requests you to do so. 01:54:51.100 --> 01:54:52.060 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, Your Honor. 01:54:52.600 --> 01:54:57.500 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Preferably use Filipino, Attorney Ligutan, as I'm sure you're well versed with it as well. 01:55:06.490 --> 01:55:07.930 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes. Since 01:55:13.910 --> 01:55:34.160 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: you said, inapprobahan po ng vice president yung plano kasama sa inapprobahan ng vice president yung generic good governance program. 01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:37.160 Gina F. Acosta: I 01:55:37.160 --> 01:55:38.140 Gina F. Acosta: approve, Your Honor. 01:55:38.400 --> 01:55:54.210 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. In fact, ma'am, yun din po yung naging tugon niyo sa same line of questioning. noong November 25, 2024. As shown by that portion of that transcript, you 01:55:56.090 --> 01:56:11.570 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: confirm that it was may approval po ng head of agency at saka yung head of agency is the respondent in this case, Sara Zimmerman Duterte, Vice President. Tama po ba? 01:56:12.070 --> 01:56:13.190 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. 01:56:13.210 --> 01:56:23.050 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let's proceed po sa susunod na punto. Let's go to the physical and financial plan naman. This time, para naman sa 2023. 01:56:25.710 --> 01:56:32.040 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: From good governance program, ma'am, this time, Atty. J, 01:56:35.100 --> 01:56:50.470 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: it can be seen sa plano, this time, hindi na good governance program, kundi nakasunod dyan, socio-economic program. 01:56:51.220 --> 01:56:56.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Delivery. With the indulgence of counsel, can the tech please zoom in? Yes, kindly zoom in. 01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:11.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Proceed, Your Honor. Ms. Gina will please answer, kindly confirm, ang nakasulat na po sa 2023 ay yung socio-economic program delivery. 01:57:12.610 --> 01:57:13.610 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:57:13.790 --> 01:57:15.430 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi na po good governance program. 01:57:15.850 --> 01:57:16.910 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 01:57:17.610 --> 01:57:18.470 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Proceed, Your Honor. 01:57:19.250 --> 01:57:19.810 Gina F. Acosta: But, 01:57:20.190 --> 01:57:27.070 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: but, sa 2023 physical and financial plan 01:57:27.610 --> 01:57:29.030 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung 01:57:31.560 --> 01:58:00.560 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: expected outcome naman nananatili. 2022 na expected outcome. Nakasulat, safe implementation of OVP initiatives and confidence building for 2022. Same expected outcome, safe implementation of OVP initiatives and confidence building. Tama po ba? 01:58:01.450 --> 01:58:03.510 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. Ma 01:58:03.510 --> 01:58:26.460 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'am, puwedeng mas malapit pa sa mikropono para po marinig. Again, may tubig diyan, ma'am, ha? If you want to drink water now. Therefore, masasabi natin, base sa dokumento, ma'am, yung 2023 physical and financial plan, kopya lang. 01:58:28.460 --> 01:58:37.010 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Kopya lang ng number one, physical target, Galing sa 2022. Tama po ba? 01:58:37.250 --> 01:58:48.870 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. The document would speak for itself because the prosecution is asking the witness what is already based on the document as the question is framed, Your Honor. 01:58:49.730 --> 01:58:59.250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may answer. I'm just not so sure if she understands the word copy. So, Ma'am Gina, pareho lang po ang nilalaman ng physical and financial plan. 01:59:02.470 --> 01:59:03.390 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, 01:59:09.050 --> 01:59:10.130 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor. Now 01:59:10.130 --> 01:59:15.750 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: proceed. Same with budget for each quarter. 01:59:32.150 --> 01:59:44.180 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Fourth quarter ng 2023, ma'am. Kopyang kopya yung amount. 125 million pesos. Tama po ba? 01:59:45.520 --> 01:59:48.900 Gina F. Acosta: Tama, Your Honor, kay Ma'am Manda ang nakabutang saga, Your Honor. 01:59:50.510 --> 01:59:51.410 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Proceed, Your Honor. 01:59:52.310 --> 01:59:52.970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yung may 01:59:52.970 --> 01:59:55.530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: tama daw dahil yung daw ang nakalagay is saga. 01:59:57.540 --> 02:00:25.230 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Both the 2020 2022 physical and financial plan and the 2023 version provided for broad program under po sa programs, activities, and projects sa 2022 good governance program sa 2023 naman socio-economic program. Pero as to budget, pareho. Yes 02:00:26.830 --> 02:00:27.050 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: or no? 02:00:27.470 --> 02:00:28.690 Gina F. Acosta: Pareho, Your Honor. 02:00:28.950 --> 02:00:31.420 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: As to expected outcome? Pareho. 02:00:32.180 --> 02:00:33.200 Gina F. Acosta: Pareho, Your Honor. 02:00:33.340 --> 02:00:58.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Alright. Now, let's go to this physical target naman. In the 2023 physical plan, same observation ba, ma'am? Na nakasulat dyan, letter A, number, identified areas with surveillance conducted and monitored without, hindi po nakasulat dyan yung aktual na numero. Tama po ba? 02:00:59.120 --> 02:01:00.380 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. 02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:19.620 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Same with the letter B entry. Percentage. Nakasulat dyan. Percentage. The symbol symbolizing percentage of activities implemented without and toward security-related incidents without stating the actual percentage. Tama po ba? Walang number. 02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:22.360 Gina F. Acosta: Walang number. Tama po, Your Honor. In 02:01:22.680 --> 02:01:44.760 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: fact, you admitted, Madam, In the 2020, in the November 25, 2024 Committee on Good Government Hearing, that you have to consult Colonel La Chica on what to put in the physical and financial plan. Do you remember this? 02:01:45.820 --> 02:01:46.960 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 02:01:47.120 --> 02:02:13.700 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yan. The programs, yung programa po, yung mga ine-expect natin resulta sa mga programa, Yung mga targets ng mga plano, lahat ng ito ay gawa ay galing kay Colonel La Chica de Puba. 02:02:16.580 --> 02:02:18.980 Gina F. Acosta: I will 02:02:18.980 --> 02:02:30.340 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: repeat. Ang programa sa plano, ang expected outcome, ang 02:02:31.870 --> 02:02:34.270 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: target sa physical plan, 02:02:37.760 --> 02:02:43.630 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: galing. Kay Colonel Lachika. Tama po ba? 02:02:43.710 --> 02:02:44.550 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. 02:02:44.550 --> 02:02:44.950 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What's the 02:02:44.950 --> 02:02:47.000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: objection? What's the objection, counsel? 02:02:47.000 --> 02:02:55.890 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: As can be answered, Your Honor, the witness has already testified previously that security officers is providing inputs and 02:02:55.890 --> 02:02:56.470 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: guidance, Your Honor. 02:02:56.470 --> 02:03:08.670 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: This is 2023, Your Honor. I think the question pertains to 2023 now. That was answered with respect to 2022. Ma'am Gina, yung nangyari po ba noong 2022, ganun din po sa 2023, galing kay Colonel Lachika? 02:03:09.180 --> 02:03:22.120 Gina F. Acosta: Sa paggawa ng physical financial plan, Your Honor, kasama kaya po na ko siya. Kasama ko siya, Your Honor. Sa kanya pa rin ako nanghingi ng inputs and guidelines po, Your Honor. 02:03:22.140 --> 02:03:27.720 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So galing nga po sa kanya. Galing kay Colonel Atchika yung inyong inputs na nilagay dito. 02:03:28.460 --> 02:03:31.320 Gina F. Acosta: Kaming dalawa po, Your Honor, ang nag-discuss, Your Honor. 02:03:33.080 --> 02:04:13.360 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Counsel, your witness. Let's go to that November 25, 2024 hearing. Ma'am. Tinanong ka ni Representative Jean K. Luistro. As a matter of fact, the financial plan does not bear at all the signature or the name of Colonel La Chica. Ma'am, yung sagot niyo diyan. Yes po. Pero sa kanya po ako humihingi ng inputs or information with regards to the implementation of all these projects included in the confidential funds. This is what you said under oath in November 25. 2024, under oath. Tama po ba? 02:04:14.990 --> 02:04:17.590 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, please. Ma'am, did you answer opo? 02:04:18.210 --> 02:04:18.610 Gina F. Acosta: Opo. 02:04:18.770 --> 02:04:21.010 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Opo, ma'am. Your Honor, it's 12. Can I ask one 02:04:21.010 --> 02:04:26.590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: question? And I move for lunch break? Yes, counsel. Before we proceed to the next question. 02:04:27.540 --> 02:04:28.760 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ito yung tanong na aw. 02:04:37.730 --> 02:04:38.210 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am. 02:04:38.530 --> 02:04:40.630 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, sir. Ay, it's attorney. Opo. 02:04:42.520 --> 02:04:56.190 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sa lahat ng mga dokumento, isinumitin nyo sa COA, Commission on Audit. The plan, accomplishment reports, 02:04:56.730 --> 02:04:58.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: liquidation 02:04:59.150 --> 02:04:59.570 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: reports. 02:05:03.980 --> 02:05:31.690 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nakasaad ba dyan sa kahit anong dokumento? Yung sinasabi nyo na lahat ng inputs yung sinulat nyo sa plano, lahat ng inputs sinulat nyo sa reporting to COA. Nakasaad ba dyan yung pangalan ni Colonel Lachica? Direction, 02:05:31.730 --> 02:05:35.750 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor. The document would speak for itself, Your Honor. That's a 02:05:35.750 --> 02:05:36.050 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: question 02:05:36.050 --> 02:05:38.390 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: the public is very much willing to hear. 02:05:39.270 --> 02:05:44.590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may answer. Counsel, let the witness answer. I think she knows the answer anyway. 02:05:44.850 --> 02:05:45.510 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes or no? 02:05:48.820 --> 02:05:58.450 Gina F. Acosta: Tama ba pag-understand ko sa question mo, Your Honor, na sa lahat ng mga dokumento na isubmit ko sa... Plano, 02:05:58.530 --> 02:06:00.090 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: physical plan, ma'am. Physical 02:06:00.090 --> 02:06:00.990 Gina F. Acosta: plan. Okay, 02:06:01.110 --> 02:06:02.270 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sa accomplishment report 02:06:02.270 --> 02:06:02.690 Gina F. Acosta: mismo. 02:06:03.720 --> 02:06:05.000 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sa liquidation report, 02:06:05.260 --> 02:06:06.340 Gina F. Acosta: sa 02:06:06.340 --> 02:06:34.910 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: certification na successful yung paggamit, tama yung paggamit ng plano. May isang dokumento ba dun? Ma'am, limited po tayo dun ha? Na ipinakita nyo sa publiko na si Curdel Lachica yung nagbibigay sa'yo ng input sa mga plano, saka siya yung nag-implement ng mga programs, activities. Meron ba dun? Yes? or no. 02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:36.520 Gina F. Acosta: Wala. 02:06:39.340 --> 02:06:40.020 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Move for 02:06:40.020 --> 02:06:40.660 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: lunch 02:06:40.660 --> 02:06:41.100 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: break, Your Honor, 02:06:41.100 --> 02:06:41.240 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: please. 02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:48.540 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am Gina, kain muna tayo para makahinga at relax kayo. Sige po. 02:06:48.540 --> 02:06:50.300 Gina F. Acosta: Mas better po, attorney. Ay, 02:06:50.360 --> 02:07:01.920 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor. Okay lang po, ma'am. Huwag kayong mag-alala dun. Pahinga muna kayo. Kain tayo. The court will declare a lunch recess. We shall resume at 12.45. 02:54:16.370 --> 02:54:16.910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Trial 02:54:16.910 --> 02:54:30.890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: is resumed. For the information of the counsel for the parties, we shall only be holding trial given the inclement weather until 2 p.m. this afternoon and we shall convene session according to the Senate President 02:54:30.890 --> 02:54:32.550 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: at 02:54:33.700 --> 02:54:43.200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 2.30 p.m. So kindly be aware of the time, Atty. Ligutan, and if at all we reach cross, kindly be aware of the time. 02:54:45.640 --> 02:54:54.260 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am Gina? Patuloy po kayo magtetestigo sa ilalim ng pareho niyong pinanumpaan kanina. Naunawaan niyo po iyon? Opo, 02:54:54.300 --> 02:54:54.840 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor. 02:54:55.220 --> 02:54:57.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. Atty. Ligutan, your witness. 02:54:58.520 --> 02:54:59.200 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hello. 02:55:09.520 --> 02:55:58.130 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Marami Tess, now, kanina nabanggit mo na si Colonel La Chica yung nagbibigay sa iyo ng inputs. Ano yung isusulat sa plano? at saka sa liquidation saka accomplishment reports. Kanina rin, the record will bear me out, in fact, nasabi mo rin, na siya rin yung may alam sa pag-i-implement ng mga sinasabi nyong confidential activities na pinagagamitan ng confidential funds. Now, yung tanong now is, Ma'am, empleyado ba, empleyado ba ng Office of the Vice President si Colonel Achica? 02:55:59.490 --> 02:56:05.790 Gina F. Acosta: Siya po ang itinalaga na security officer ng Office of the Vice President, Your Honor. 02:56:07.910 --> 02:56:09.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung tanong, I think, is simple. 02:56:10.230 --> 02:56:28.790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am Gina, pag sinabi niyong security, sagot niyo po kanina, siya ang commanding officer ng VPSPG. Sinabi niyo rin po na siya ang security officer ng OVP. Meron po ba siyang appointment at sweldong tinatanggap bilang security officer ng OVP? Wala po. 02:56:29.480 --> 02:56:39.480 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko po alam, Your Honor, kung may sahod po siya. Pero ang alam ko, meron po siyang office order na siya po ang security officer ng Office of the Vice President. Okay. 02:56:39.620 --> 02:56:40.700 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your witness, counsel? 02:56:41.000 --> 02:56:54.060 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I think the question is simple, ma'am. Sa alam niyo, sa pagkakaalam niyo, I'm not asking ano yung designation niya. I think you are more than competent to answer this question. 02:56:55.780 --> 02:57:01.710 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Impliyado ba ng Office of the Vice President? Si Colonel Achica. 02:57:01.910 --> 02:57:02.890 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Asking and answered, Your Honor. 02:57:03.880 --> 02:57:04.360 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No 02:57:04.360 --> 02:57:07.470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: answer yet. Witness will answer, please. 02:57:10.870 --> 02:57:12.230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung alam niyo po, ma'am. 02:57:13.100 --> 02:57:18.080 Gina F. Acosta: Ang alam ko po, siya po ang security officer, Your Honor. Yung lang po, ang alam ko. 02:57:19.750 --> 02:57:24.890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That was his answer, counsel. Her answer, rather. Alright, now. Madam 02:57:24.890 --> 02:57:39.750 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Witness, I'm showing you now yung isang letter. Galing sa office of the Vice President, May Pichang, November 30, 2023. Pirmado ng isang Lemuel Ortonio. 02:57:41.010 --> 02:57:41.650 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: We 02:57:41.650 --> 02:57:47.910 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: are confronting you with the documents through authority and the letter is also being shown on our screen. 02:57:49.450 --> 02:57:50.090 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Assistant 02:57:50.090 --> 02:57:51.190 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Councils may approach. 02:57:53.970 --> 02:57:55.950 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, kindly 02:58:04.530 --> 02:58:06.150 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: zoom in to the relevant person. 02:58:06.390 --> 02:58:06.770 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. 02:58:08.970 --> 02:58:10.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: According to this letter, ma'am, 02:58:13.100 --> 02:58:15.300 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: November 30, 2023. 02:58:17.710 --> 02:58:23.730 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nakasulat dyan na as early as July 2022, 02:58:25.930 --> 02:58:46.110 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: yung OVP nakapag-identify na ng mga programa tsaka surveillance activities na sinasabi dyan intertwined with matters of national security. Yung letter is dated November 30, 2023. 02:58:48.860 --> 02:58:59.590 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pero nakasulat dyan as early as July 2022, nakapag-identify ng mga programa. Aware ka ba sa letter na ito? 02:59:04.380 --> 02:59:05.180 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes or no? 02:59:19.240 --> 02:59:20.160 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Aware ka hindi? 02:59:20.920 --> 02:59:21.860 Gina F. Acosta: Aware po ako, 02:59:22.000 --> 02:59:22.420 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor. Now, 02:59:22.440 --> 02:59:36.040 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: in fact, aware ka rin na itong letter na ito, ito yung tugon, reply ng OVP through Ortonio sa Audit Observation Memorandum. Aware ka rin yan, di ba? 02:59:36.620 --> 02:59:37.900 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Now, 02:59:37.920 --> 02:59:59.720 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: based sa letter na ito ma'am, programs at surveillance activities na sinasabi niyo intertwined with national security, eh sinasabi niyo na-identify na as early as July 2022 and you will agree with me ma'am eh kung July pa lang 2022. 03:00:22.630 --> 03:00:24.030 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your 03:00:25.380 --> 03:00:26.780 Gina F. Acosta: Honor, 03:00:28.840 --> 03:00:29.660 Gina F. Acosta: saan po dito 03:00:31.590 --> 03:00:36.000 Gina F. Acosta: Sinabi mo na activities, Your Honor? 03:00:36.440 --> 03:00:45.520 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, nasa screen. These programs, program goals are indistricably intertwined with matters of national security. 03:00:46.700 --> 03:00:47.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: July 03:00:47.280 --> 03:00:48.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 22. Assistant counsel, kindly point it out 03:00:48.960 --> 03:00:49.580 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: on page 2. 03:00:51.010 --> 03:00:51.810 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Page 2. 03:00:52.250 --> 03:00:53.710 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly point it out to the witness. 03:00:55.780 --> 03:00:57.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What counsel is referring to? 03:01:18.800 --> 03:01:20.900 Gina F. Acosta: Sir, ano po yung question? Yung 03:01:20.900 --> 03:01:40.680 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: tanong now is, hindi ba dapat? Isinama niyo ito, yung mga sinasabi niyo mga specific activities sa physical and financial plan for the fourth quarter 2022 which is dated December 13, 2022. Isinama niyo ba yan? 03:01:41.650 --> 03:01:44.270 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. Argumentative, Your Honor. 03:01:45.190 --> 03:01:51.330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Repraise, counsel. I get the point of the objection of the counsel. Sustained. Okay, now. 03:01:51.980 --> 03:01:52.620 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi 03:01:52.620 --> 03:01:53.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: po ba? 03:01:54.930 --> 03:02:07.230 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Those should have been reflected in the physical and financial plan for the fourth part of 2022. Same objection, Your Honor. 03:02:09.970 --> 03:02:28.050 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am Gina, bakit di niyo po sinama yung mga bagay na yan doon sa physical and financial plan ng 2022? Kung Julyo pa lang, may ganyan na pala, bakit hindi niyo po yan sinama? Sa 2022 physical and financial plan. 03:02:30.510 --> 03:02:31.050 Gina F. Acosta: Sir, 03:02:32.440 --> 03:02:44.030 Gina F. Acosta: ito po ba yung target property alleviation treats to peace and order and the promotion of economic development po? 03:02:44.690 --> 03:03:14.640 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Counsel? I think the public knows whether the witnesses answered the question or not. I will move on, Your Honor, please. Move forward, Counsel. Thank you. Now, Madam. Let's go to this cash encashment for the check-in cashment para sa 2022 Confidential Funds. Now, pinapakita sa iyo ngayon yung isang cheque, May-Pechang, December 20, 2022. 03:03:16.310 --> 03:03:33.690 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay? As well as yung nasa likod ng checking iyan. Okay? Yung checking yan has been previously marked as Exhibit PI-28, small letter A, and PI-28, small letter A-1. 03:03:35.910 --> 03:03:52.740 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung tanong, you personally encashed, ikaw mismo yung nag-encash ng 125 million pesos cash advance ng confidential funds noong December 20, 2022, correct? 03:03:53.860 --> 03:03:55.000 Gina F. Acosta: Opo, sir. 03:03:56.010 --> 03:04:07.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And then, ma'am, na-encash mo yan only pagkatapos yung cheque maibigay sa iyo. Tama po ba? 03:04:08.620 --> 03:04:09.480 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, sir. 03:04:10.860 --> 03:04:17.900 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tanong, kailan ba na-encash yung cheque nito? Diba, December 20, 2022? 03:04:19.150 --> 03:04:19.990 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, sir. 03:04:20.390 --> 03:04:33.110 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And hindi po ba, bago ma-release yung cheque sa iyo, Yung checking iyan, kailangan munang i-prepara at saka dapat pirmado ng chief accountant. Tama po ba? 03:04:34.400 --> 03:04:35.660 Gina F. Acosta: Ah, nag-perma po? 03:04:35.940 --> 03:04:46.120 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: No, ma'am. The question is, tama po ba na bago nyo ma-relate, bago nyo natanggap yung checking, yung checking iyan, kailangan i-prepare muna at saka pirmahan. 03:04:48.020 --> 03:04:48.420 Gina F. Acosta: I 03:04:48.420 --> 03:04:50.020 Gina F. Acosta: -prepare po ng accountant po. 03:04:50.140 --> 03:05:10.360 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes. Okay now. And of course, madam, yung checking iyan, Naprepare lang, napirmahan lang, na-release sa'yo lang only after the required disbursement voucher had been signed and approved. Tama po ba? 03:05:12.430 --> 03:05:13.170 Gina F. Acosta: Opo. 03:05:13.670 --> 03:05:27.310 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: If you can remember, ma'am, yung disbursement voucher napirmahan tsaka na-approved same day, December 20, 2022. Tama po ba? 03:05:32.120 --> 03:05:37.120 Gina F. Acosta: Yung date ng voucher at saka date ng cheque. On 03:05:37.120 --> 03:05:37.680 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: the same day? 03:05:39.010 --> 03:05:40.730 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Yes, sir. 03:05:41.150 --> 03:05:58.730 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: In fact, yun yung disbursement voucher dated December 20, 2022, Exhibit P, I-10A. Now, yung voucher na iyan, firmado ng VP Sara Duterte, Julieta Villadil Rey, tsaka Lemuel Ortonio. Tama po ba? 03:06:02.000 --> 03:06:05.800 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, di ko ma... Mabasa yung after my name 03:06:05.800 --> 03:06:07.620 Gina F. Acosta: kung orto 03:06:07.620 --> 03:06:07.800 Gina F. Acosta: niyo 03:06:07.800 --> 03:06:07.920 Gina F. Acosta: po 03:06:07.920 --> 03:06:08.420 Gina F. Acosta: ayon. 03:06:09.020 --> 03:06:13.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly furnish Gina a copy of the disbursement voucher. 03:06:14.040 --> 03:06:16.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: It's in her possession at the moment, Your Honor, please. 03:06:18.600 --> 03:06:19.160 Gina F. Acosta: Voucher. 03:06:20.540 --> 03:06:24.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Disbursement voucher for the last quarter of 2022, Ma'am Gina. 03:06:31.260 --> 03:06:43.720 Gina F. Acosta: Claro po yung perma dito. Ang maklaro ko lang dito, Your Honor, is may perma po, signature, and then may perma po dito ng accountant namin. 03:06:44.160 --> 03:06:44.840 Gina F. Acosta: Pero 03:06:44.840 --> 03:06:49.260 Gina F. Acosta: yung sa gitna, hindi po kasi claro dito, Your Honor. 03:06:50.050 --> 03:06:50.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Move on, 03:06:51.050 --> 03:07:17.460 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: counsel. Now, madam, yung disbursement voucher, yung pag-pre-prepare, pag-peperma, tsaka pag-re-release ng cheque, yung date ng cheque, tsaka yung pag-i-incast ng cheque, they all happened on the same day, December 20, 2022. Tama po ba? 03:07:17.820 --> 03:07:19.600 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. 03:07:19.740 --> 03:07:24.620 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: How much was the amount incast on that day? 125 million pesos, di po ba? 03:07:25.020 --> 03:07:25.800 Gina F. Acosta: Yes po. 03:07:26.080 --> 03:07:30.840 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You incast this cheque sa Land Bank Shaw Boulevard Branch. Tama po ba? 03:07:31.500 --> 03:07:32.380 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, po. 03:07:32.540 --> 03:08:06.970 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, listen to this question now. For unusual amounts like 125 million pesos, yung bangko kailangan inotify, manotify yung bangko isang araw minimum or at least two days before ma-encash yung cheque para ma-prepare, maihanda yung cash. Ito yung na-mention ni Ms. Violeta Constantino. Then, Department Manager ng Land Bank Show Boulevard, when she testified, do you confirm this practice? Objection, 03:08:06.970 --> 03:08:07.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor. What's 03:08:07.810 --> 03:08:08.170 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: the objection? 03:08:09.480 --> 03:08:15.400 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The question is misleading, Your Honor. There's no testimony as to unusual amount, Your Honor. 03:08:15.980 --> 03:08:18.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: There was, counsel. There was. There was, counsel. Not by 03:08:18.740 --> 03:08:19.620 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: the witness, Your Honor. 03:08:19.880 --> 03:08:24.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Not by this witness, but by the Land Bank Executive. 03:08:25.990 --> 03:08:31.200 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. Hindi po ba? Kailangan mo notify muna yung bangko a 03:08:31.200 --> 03:08:35.560 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: day or two? May we ask the prosecution to repeat the question, Your Honor? I think 03:08:35.560 --> 03:08:37.380 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: there was a ruling. If 03:08:37.380 --> 03:08:46.940 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: she knows. Yes. Ma'am Gina, kayo po ba yung nag-i-inform sa bangko o may kailangan po ba mag-i-inform sa bangko na mag-i-withdraw kayo ng ganito kalaking pera? 03:08:48.060 --> 03:09:02.050 Gina F. Acosta: Ganito po, Your Honor. Nang handa na po ang cheque, tumawag po ang aming cast division. Now, ma'am Gina, handa na po ang cheque at pwede mo nang ipaincast sa bangko. 03:09:03.530 --> 03:09:12.490 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Not responsive? Okay. Now, continue counsel. Now, by what time did you go to land bank? On December 20, 2022? 03:09:13.650 --> 03:09:20.230 Gina F. Acosta: Mga around 2 to 2.30, nakaabot din to, Your Honor. 03:09:20.530 --> 03:09:23.010 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 2 to 2.30, hindi 3 p.m.? 03:09:24.010 --> 03:09:26.150 Gina F. Acosta: Mga ganyan na, Your Honor. Your Honor, witness 03:09:26.150 --> 03:09:39.060 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: already answered. Wait, wait, time to clarify because that's what he said in the hearing. Anyway, so it's 2, 2.30 and then when confronted with another option, 3pm, yung sagot mo, mga ganyan. So it includes 3pm. Tama po ba? 03:09:39.660 --> 03:09:44.260 Gina F. Acosta: Basta, naabot ko dito, Your Honor, mga 2 to 2.30. Alright, 03:09:44.880 --> 03:10:00.050 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: now, by the time you arrived at the bank on December 20, 2022, yung 125 million pesos in cash, Nakahanda na, di po ba, for your withdrawal? 03:10:01.910 --> 03:10:11.770 Gina F. Acosta: Sa pagkaalam ko, nakahanda na kasi tumawag po ang aming cash division, Your Honor, na kunin ko na ang cheque at pwede na ding ipain-cash sa bangko. Yes. 03:10:12.050 --> 03:10:32.910 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ibig sabihin, at least, nanotify ng opisina nyo yung land bank a day before December 20, 2022 na mag-i-cash kayo ng gandong kahalaking Halaga, 125 million pesos sa araw na iyan, December 20, 2022. Tama po ba? 03:10:34.720 --> 03:10:36.000 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. 03:10:36.080 --> 03:10:39.950 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tama po. Now, meaning, yung 03:10:42.380 --> 03:10:55.890 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: land bank na-notify na, na ihanda yung 125 million pesos bago pa man ma 03:10:57.400 --> 03:11:12.430 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: -aprubahan ang disbursement voucher bago pa man maihanda. Matirmahan, tsaka marilis ang cheque sa inyo. 03:11:33.880 --> 03:11:38.000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: about informing the bank before the voucher or checks were prepared. 03:11:38.260 --> 03:11:40.420 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, anyways, Your Honor, please, we'll move to the next points. 03:11:43.160 --> 03:11:48.700 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Voucher was signed, prepared, check was signed, prepared, released to you on the same day. 03:11:50.520 --> 03:11:52.080 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So, hindi ba iyon? 03:11:54.420 --> 03:11:56.000 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pagfa-fast-track. 03:11:58.400 --> 03:12:05.040 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pagfa-fast-track na pag-iin-cash ng 125 million pesos. on the same day. 03:12:05.180 --> 03:12:07.660 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. Vague and argumentative. 03:12:09.180 --> 03:12:11.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Overruled. Witness may answer. Court would like to know her answer. 03:12:14.330 --> 03:12:16.630 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi ba minadali? 03:12:18.340 --> 03:12:26.080 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung pagdi-disbursement voucher, pag-premipara ng cheque, pag-i-encash, on the same day, 125,000,000 pesos. Yes or no? 03:12:27.210 --> 03:12:31.270 Gina F. Acosta: Dumaan po siya sa regular na proseso namin sa office, Your Honor. 03:12:32.150 --> 03:12:44.120 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Being vague again. Now. As the SDO and Project Accountable Officer, hindi po ba na yung pagmamadaling yan, ikaw yung nag-utos yan? Tama po ba? 03:12:44.320 --> 03:12:46.640 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po ako nag-utos, Your Honor. Okay. 03:12:47.320 --> 03:12:49.000 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sino ang nag-utos sa inyo? 03:12:49.620 --> 03:12:53.740 Gina F. Acosta: Basta gi-process po yun, Your Honor, on a regular processing po, Your Honor. 03:12:54.180 --> 03:13:26.120 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, ma'am, I think I have to repeat the question, Your Honor, because she did not answer the question. Minadali? May nag-utos? When asked, sino nag-utos? Sabi mo, hindi ikaw. I will ask this question again. Yung publiko are very much waiting for an answer. Sino ang nag-utos ng pagmamadali, ng pag-incash, ng checking yan, 125 million sa araw na yan? 03:13:26.380 --> 03:13:32.080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Objection, Your Honor. Misleading. Objection is sustained again, counsel. There is no basis... 03:13:54.540 --> 03:14:11.950 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pagkatapos ma-verify ng bank teller, yung identification at saka pagkatapos i-approve yung pag-i-incast ng checking iyan, di po ba you were instructed na magpunta sa backroom ng bangko? Objection, 03:14:11.950 --> 03:14:17.030 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor. Misleading, Your Honor. The witness hasn't testified yet. I'm asking for confirmation. It 03:14:17.030 --> 03:14:24.670 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: may be leading but it's okay to ask leading questions because this was testified to by another witness from land banks that she went to the backroom. 03:14:25.530 --> 03:14:41.050 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Just to clarify, Your Honor, the objection is grounded that it is misleading, Your Honor, because there's no testimony yet that any bank teller verified, Your Honor. There's no testimony yet from the witness, Your Honor. 03:14:41.410 --> 03:15:06.410 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No testimony. He is asking the witness on the basis of the testimony given before the court council by a land bank official that Gina and... If I recall correctly, Colonel Latsika and Ortonio went to the back room of the bank. And the bank officer, in fact, if I remember correctly, testified that there was a door leading to the exit. 03:15:09.530 --> 03:15:09.950 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: To 03:15:10.040 --> 03:15:17.920 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: another exit. Yes, Your Honor. Your Honor. That pertains to DepEd Council. Your Honor, that 03:15:17.920 --> 03:15:26.780 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: may be the case, Your Honor, but it hasn't yet testified by the witness. With due respect to the prosecution, the proper basis must be laid, Your Honor. 03:15:27.900 --> 03:15:41.960 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Modify, modify, modify for this one, counsel. I stand corrected with respect to the backdoor testimony that it connected to DepEd. I distinctly remember that. Not with the OVP. I stand corrected. Backroom, backroom, Your Honor. I'm asking 03:15:41.960 --> 03:15:54.480 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: for the backroom now. Is it it? Is it it? Okay. In that afternoon, you were instructed... to the back room of the bank. Di po ba? 03:15:55.230 --> 03:15:58.330 Gina F. Acosta: Ano po yun? Back room, bank 03:15:58.330 --> 03:16:01.390 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: room. Back room po, back room. 03:16:01.530 --> 03:16:03.670 Gina F. Acosta: Sorry po, sorry po, sir. It's 03:16:03.670 --> 03:16:04.170 Gina F. Acosta: okay. Sorry 03:16:04.170 --> 03:16:04.350 Gina F. Acosta: po. 03:16:04.430 --> 03:16:08.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Attorney Ligudan, kwarto sa likod o banyo? Kwarto sa likod. 03:16:10.090 --> 03:16:12.850 Gina F. Acosta: Wala pong kwarto sa likod, Your Honor. Okay, 03:16:12.930 --> 03:16:16.940 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: okay. Okay now. The question is simple. 03:16:20.240 --> 03:16:30.540 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Saan nyo nakita? yung 125 million pesos na in-cash niyo sa araw na iyon sa loob ng bangko. 03:16:31.360 --> 03:16:33.980 Gina F. Acosta: Doon po sa may likod niyang, Taylor, Your Honor. 03:16:34.280 --> 03:16:36.520 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, now. Sa likod ng... 03:16:36.520 --> 03:16:37.440 Gina F. Acosta: Open space po. 03:16:37.800 --> 03:16:39.400 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. Sa likod ng... 03:16:39.400 --> 03:16:40.320 Gina F. Acosta: Taylor. 03:16:40.740 --> 03:16:51.950 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Taylor. Now, ma'am, can you describe for us, to give us a mental picture, how big the pile? 03:16:54.140 --> 03:16:58.480 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 125 million pesos in cold cash is. 03:17:04.050 --> 03:17:05.290 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ipa-describe. 03:17:12.430 --> 03:17:38.380 Gina F. Acosta: Sorry, Sir, ha? Pero hindi kaya ko well-versed sa mga measure-measurement. Pero nakasulod siya sa nakalagay siya sa box na nakabandal tag 1 million ang isa kabandal na nakaputos, nakabalot. o xilophen na xilyo pa, xilyado pa. 03:17:38.900 --> 03:17:56.010 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sinasabi mo ma'am, hindi ka well-versed sa measurement. Tama po ba? Di ba? Now, I will show you a simulated representation of 125 million pesos. Sinabi mo 1,000 peso bill, di ba? Show that to the screen, please. 03:17:57.550 --> 03:17:58.290 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I'm sorry. 03:18:05.620 --> 03:18:07.300 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You tell the public, ma'am. 03:18:08.970 --> 03:18:19.970 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: If yung nakita mong 125 million pesos in cold cash, Your Honor, Wait, wait, wait, natin dyan, natin dyan, natin dyan. 03:18:20.090 --> 03:18:22.210 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel, to finish the question, Atty. 03:18:23.980 --> 03:18:24.540 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bacuel, 03:18:24.560 --> 03:18:31.020 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Can you please confirm if the cold cash you 03:18:31.020 --> 03:18:33.040 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: saw, 03:18:35.400 --> 03:18:41.030 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 125 million pesos, do they look like that? 03:18:41.740 --> 03:18:55.240 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, before the prosecution proceeds with the question, may we just ask as to the source of the photo and how it was generated and produced? 03:18:55.520 --> 03:19:00.900 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, counsel, either it is distorted because the 1,000 peso bills look bigger. 03:19:02.320 --> 03:19:04.220 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Is this AI, Your Honor? 03:19:04.540 --> 03:19:06.200 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, of course, that is simulated. 03:19:08.180 --> 03:19:08.760 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Is 03:19:08.760 --> 03:19:19.190 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: this AI? because we don't have 125 million pesos in cold cash. So we have to resort to technology. 03:19:20.250 --> 03:19:26.210 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Is that, Your Honor, artificial intelligence? Is this AI? Yes. Generated? Yes. 03:19:26.890 --> 03:19:35.190 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel, if you will allow the presiding officer. Ma'am Gina, sabi niyo nakalagay po sa kahon tigi isan libong bundle. Ilang kahon po? 03:19:36.840 --> 03:19:38.140 Gina F. Acosta: Dalawa, Your Honor. 03:19:38.620 --> 03:19:40.080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Gaano kalaki po yung kahon? 03:19:44.080 --> 03:19:45.220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Limitin niyo po yung kamay niyo. 03:19:47.940 --> 03:19:48.900 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Gano'ng kataas po? 03:19:50.890 --> 03:19:51.870 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Gano'ng kataas? 03:19:53.850 --> 03:19:54.770 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Gano'ng kataas po? 03:19:59.350 --> 03:20:07.930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yung kamay niyo po sa baba, pakipat yan para makita po namin. Ganyan kataas at ganito kalapad? Kasing lapad po ng witness stand? 03:20:12.190 --> 03:20:15.050 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 125 million po yan. Dalawang kahong ganyan. 03:20:15.730 --> 03:20:16.750 Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. 03:20:17.450 --> 03:20:20.670 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Binilang niyo po ba? Tinanggal niyo po ba mula sa kahon? O hindi na? 03:20:21.520 --> 03:20:23.300 Gina F. Acosta: Tinanggal po sa kahon, Your Honor. 03:20:24.300 --> 03:20:26.380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pagkatanggal niyo sa kahon, binilig niyo ba sa kahon? 03:20:26.640 --> 03:20:27.860 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po, Your Honor. 03:20:28.300 --> 03:20:29.460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Saan niyo na nilagay? 03:20:30.260 --> 03:20:33.140 Gina F. Acosta: Nilagay ko po sa aking apat na bag. 03:20:34.060 --> 03:20:35.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ito po yung daffle bag. 03:20:36.160 --> 03:20:38.940 Gina F. Acosta: Parang traveling bag po, Your Honor, na oblong. 03:20:39.680 --> 03:20:41.200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Traveling bag, apat pong gano'n? 03:20:41.560 --> 03:20:43.220 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Okay. 03:20:43.560 --> 03:20:44.080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Procedure, 03:20:44.120 --> 03:20:45.200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Witness, Counsel. 03:20:45.200 --> 03:21:06.080 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sinabi mo, ma'am, na iyong 125 million pesos naka-bundle. into 1,000 peso bills. Sa isa kang bundle is 1 million pesos. Again, para sa ating mga kababayan na hindi pa nakakita, how does a 1 million buy this? Counsel, is that an actual 03:21:06.080 --> 03:21:07.800 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: thing again or a reproduction? 03:21:08.300 --> 03:21:08.900 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Reproduction. 03:21:10.120 --> 03:21:11.040 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor. 03:21:12.250 --> 03:21:38.330 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes, while you're showing the witness, Attorney Bachel. May we just interpose an objection as regards presenting the witness those props, Your Honor, inasmuch as the parties are uncertain, the defense is uncertain as to how is that an accurate representation of what the prosecution claims to be, Your Honor. 03:21:38.570 --> 03:21:40.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I will ask. I will ask the question, Your Honor, please. 03:21:42.580 --> 03:21:49.290 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Before I rule on the objection, yes, counsel, ask your question. and kindly don't cover Ms. Gina. 03:21:50.570 --> 03:21:51.090 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I'm 03:21:51.090 --> 03:21:51.130 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: so 03:21:51.130 --> 03:21:51.490 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sorry. 03:21:53.360 --> 03:21:53.880 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma 03:21:53.880 --> 03:22:15.990 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'am, sinabi mo, yung 125 billion pesos nakapile by 1 million peso each, tama po ba? Opo. And then, yung bills ginamit is 1,000. Tama po ba? Sinabi mo, hindi ka well-versed sa measurement. Doon sabi mo, di ba? Kaya nga, eto yung simulated. 03:22:18.630 --> 03:22:35.190 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ten bundles. The size is similar to 1,000 peso bills. Ma'am, yung isang milyon, pwede niyo pong hawakan if you want. If you want lang, ha? May lagi dagal, ma'am, ha? Now. 03:22:38.180 --> 03:22:41.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung 1,000,000 pesos, kamukha ba ng 03:22:43.530 --> 03:22:44.950 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: isang bundle na ito? 03:22:45.230 --> 03:22:52.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor. Wait, wait. Is that your question, Atty. Higutan? Yes. Yes, Atty. Bagel. 03:22:53.090 --> 03:23:19.970 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, we manifest that upon the examination of assisting counsel, these appear to be just blue-colored lengthwise papers wrapped in plastic with 10 bundles each. How is this an accurate representation of... The size of whatever the prosecution claims to be, Your Honor, they are yet to lay the proper basis as regards this, Your Honor. 03:23:19.970 --> 03:23:31.790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel claims it's a mere simulation. If that is an objection, counsel, I will have to overrule the objection. Witness will please answer. Ma'am, parang ganyan po ba yung bundle ng tigay isang libong pinitraw ninyo? 03:23:34.070 --> 03:23:41.680 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, may I know po kung ito po ay... Is this... 03:23:44.090 --> 03:23:48.010 Gina F. Acosta: 100,000? Yes. Is this 100,000? 03:23:48.330 --> 03:23:51.770 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sa pagkakaalala niyo po kung tagi isang libo po yan. 03:23:51.970 --> 03:23:52.490 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes. 03:23:52.690 --> 03:24:03.700 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sampung bundle ng tagi isang libo na ang kabuhuan ay isang milyon sa isang balot ng plastic. Ganyan po ba yung itsura ng inyong winidraw? Yung bundle po ha, yung bundle. 03:24:04.730 --> 03:24:09.830 Gina F. Acosta: Basta nakabalot lang po siya ng silupin, Your Honor, tapos binilang po namin. 03:24:10.030 --> 03:24:10.370 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am, when you 03:24:10.370 --> 03:24:12.050 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: say silupin, plastic. Plastic. 03:24:12.410 --> 03:24:14.090 Gina F. Acosta: Ito, ito, Your Honor. 03:24:14.370 --> 03:24:15.970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kaya nga, so ganyan po yung size. Oo, 03:24:16.030 --> 03:24:17.470 Gina F. Acosta: nakasilyo po, Your Honor. 03:24:17.890 --> 03:24:19.550 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bagong pera po ba, lumang pera? 03:24:20.090 --> 03:24:21.530 Gina F. Acosta: Bagong pera po, Your Honor. 03:24:22.370 --> 03:24:32.520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay, so mga ganyan nga po yung size. Yun lang ang tinatanong sa inyo ni Attorney Ligutan. Huwag natin pag-usapan yung bigat, yung hugis. We'll go into the weight later. 03:24:35.820 --> 03:24:36.780 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Halos ganyan po ba? 03:24:37.840 --> 03:24:41.600 Gina F. Acosta: Ganito po, Your Honor. Basta nakabalut po siya ng silupin. 03:24:41.600 --> 03:24:47.830 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am, kayo naman. Makita niyo naman kung halos parehas eh. Para halos parehas mo ba? Yan lang ganun kasimple yung tanaw. 03:24:49.210 --> 03:24:55.030 Gina F. Acosta: May similarity, Your Honor. May manggot siya. Lapad-lapad man ang kwarta. 03:24:55.650 --> 03:25:01.990 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. Thank you, Your Honor. Now, Madam Witness, ilan 03:25:04.030 --> 03:25:08.430 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: yan? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 03:25:09.250 --> 03:25:11.750 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 03:25:12.210 --> 03:25:25.080 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So, 125 of these bundles, correct? Yung nakita niyo sa hapon na iyon, December 20, 2022, tama po ba? 03:25:26.560 --> 03:25:27.120 Gina F. Acosta: Yun 03:25:27.120 --> 03:25:36.980 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: yung nakita niyo sa bangko na in-cash ng Office of the Vice President, cash, cold cash, sa hapon na iyon, tama po ba? 03:25:37.850 --> 03:25:45.550 Gina F. Acosta: Ano po? 125 million po ito, Your Honor, ang nakita na ko, namang giihap. Gibilang po namin, Your Honor. 03:25:48.390 --> 03:25:53.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Just to clarify, Gina, before Atty. Backel, before I recognize you, bundle count lang po ang ginawa niyo. 03:25:55.540 --> 03:25:56.480 Gina F. Acosta: Bundle count po, Your Honor. 03:25:56.480 --> 03:25:56.760 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi niyo na 03:25:56.760 --> 03:26:01.600 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: po binuksan yung cellophane na sinasabi niyo, yung plastic, binilang niyo na lang po, 125 yung gano'n. 03:26:01.860 --> 03:26:06.080 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi na po, Your Honor. Nakasilyo po kasi, Your Honor. 03:26:06.320 --> 03:26:09.720 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So, binilang niyo na lang po, 125 na gano'n. 03:26:10.080 --> 03:26:10.900 Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. 03:26:10.900 --> 03:26:11.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi na isa-isa. 03:26:13.820 --> 03:26:15.480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi niyo na binilang isa-isa yung bill. 03:26:17.030 --> 03:26:17.930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yung tigil isang libo. 03:26:19.260 --> 03:26:19.740 Gina F. Acosta: Atty. 03:26:21.520 --> 03:26:25.200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bakel, yes, what is your comment or objection? 03:26:25.200 --> 03:26:36.660 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, may we respectfully ask if the props could already be removed, Your Honor, as it's not necessary for the testimony of the witness. 03:26:36.900 --> 03:26:40.980 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It is, Your Honor. Are you done yet with that, with your civilization counsel? 03:26:40.980 --> 03:26:41.200 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Not yet, Your 03:26:41.200 --> 03:26:42.460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honor. Not yet. Okay. 03:26:43.120 --> 03:26:43.600 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Wind 03:26:43.600 --> 03:26:44.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: it up. 03:26:44.340 --> 03:26:48.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes. Now, I'm sure, Madam Witness, with your 03:27:10.620 --> 03:27:11.240 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your 03:27:12.170 --> 03:27:16.050 Gina F. Acosta: Honor, ibig sabihin pa kung sinong kasama ko pagpunta sa bangko? 03:27:18.110 --> 03:27:29.690 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sa loob ng bangko, kaharap yung 125 million pesos in cold cash. Sino yung kasama mo from the office of the Vice President kung meron man? 03:27:30.170 --> 03:27:55.250 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, before the Vice President may answer, Your Honor, the question of the prosecution is totally unrelated to the use of the props, Your Honor. May we just request, Your Honor, I'm still not finished. May we just respect, the defense respectfully requests, Your Honor, that these be removed until the relevant question is interposed, considering that the witness has the right to be respected as well. 03:27:55.250 --> 03:27:55.970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Wait, wait, wait. 03:27:56.010 --> 03:27:56.610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I think I 03:27:56.610 --> 03:27:56.830 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: see, 03:27:57.170 --> 03:27:57.850 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Bachel, 03:27:58.010 --> 03:28:09.750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I think the court sees, well, Atty. Ligutan is getting to, get to it, Atty. Ligutan. Yes, yes. Okay. Ms. Gina, may kasama po ba kayong ibang tao mula sa OVP noong pinick up niyo yung pera? 03:28:10.470 --> 03:28:12.130 Gina F. Acosta: Meron po, Your Honor. Sino 03:28:12.130 --> 03:28:12.250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: po? 03:28:12.790 --> 03:28:15.990 Gina F. Acosta: Si Asic or Tonyo po, Your Honor. Okay, 03:28:16.070 --> 03:28:29.250 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tony Lagutan, Your Witness. Okay, now, walang membro ng VPSPG. Okay, yung kasama niyo, yung Vice Presidential Special Protection Group, kasama niyo sa loob ng bangkong iyan. Tama po ba? 03:28:30.240 --> 03:28:37.480 Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor, pero ang aming driver po ay member po ng VPSPG. Yes, 03:28:37.480 --> 03:29:02.030 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ma'am. Now. Even with such large amount of money, hindi niyo naisipan na mag-request ng isang or maraming escorts na sasama sa inyo sa bangko tsaka lalabas with those bills. Tama po ba? 03:29:02.510 --> 03:29:04.290 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. Argumentative. 03:29:06.070 --> 03:29:07.930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Overruled, counsel. Witness will answer. 03:29:09.740 --> 03:29:14.760 Gina F. Acosta: Ang gisama ko po, Your Honor, nakisuyo po ako, nasamahan po ako ni Asik Ortonio. 03:29:16.240 --> 03:29:20.500 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ortonio lang. Nakiusap ka, nasamahan ka ni Asik Ortonio. 03:29:20.820 --> 03:29:22.780 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. How 03:29:22.780 --> 03:29:29.760 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: did you bring out, out of the bank, that 125 million pesos? 03:29:31.360 --> 03:29:33.900 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, pwede ulitin ang question. 03:29:34.320 --> 03:29:41.770 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, paano niyo inilabas ng banko? Yung 125 billion pesos na iyan. 03:29:42.950 --> 03:29:45.230 Gina F. Acosta: May tumulong po sa akin, Your Honor. 03:29:47.340 --> 03:29:49.820 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay now, sino yung tumulong sa inyo? 03:29:50.140 --> 03:29:53.420 Gina F. Acosta: Yung security ng land bank po, Your Honor. This 03:29:53.420 --> 03:29:58.540 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: is the question now. Okay. Yung 125 billion pesos na iyan. 03:30:00.640 --> 03:30:01.200 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Did 03:30:01.200 --> 03:30:09.200 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: you put it into bags or you brought them out one by one? 03:30:10.450 --> 03:30:12.890 Gina F. Acosta: Nilagay po yun sa apat na bag, Your Honor. 03:30:13.310 --> 03:30:17.950 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Apat na bag. So hindi po hand-carry lang yung bills na yan. 03:30:18.150 --> 03:30:18.930 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi, Your Honor. 03:30:18.930 --> 03:30:37.750 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So now we will give in to what the defense wants, Your Honor, please. Having been satisfied that this person cannot bring out of the bank using her own two hands. These bills, no, we can now. Attorney Jay? Assistant counsel. 03:30:45.980 --> 03:30:53.300 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Proceed, counsel. Okay, now. You said you put them sa mga traveling bags. Ilang bags? Apat po, diba? 03:30:54.990 --> 03:30:55.910 Gina F. Acosta: Apat, Your Honor. 03:30:56.150 --> 03:31:00.870 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Can you describe to us yung size ng mga traveling bags na ito? 03:31:04.330 --> 03:31:06.610 Gina F. Acosta: Ganito, Your Honor. Paoblong. 03:31:06.850 --> 03:31:07.390 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, now. 03:31:09.130 --> 03:31:19.550 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, paoblong. I will show you now representation of 125 million pesos inside four traveling bags. 03:31:21.350 --> 03:31:22.710 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ito yung tanong now. 03:31:31.570 --> 03:32:02.000 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, four traveling bags with bills, 1,000 peso bills inside them. Yung hapon na iyon ma'am, maalala niyo ba Miss Gina F. Acosta? kung yung nawithdraw nyo na 125 million pesos na isinilit nyo sa four traveling bags, do they look like this? Before you answer, Gina, 03:32:02.160 --> 03:32:03.020 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel, 03:32:03.220 --> 03:32:03.800 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: for respondent? 03:32:03.800 --> 03:32:22.500 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, we interpose the same objection as regards the use of AI-generated imagery, Your Honor, without laying the proper basis as to how it's... It accurately represents what the prosecution claims to be, Your Honor. It has no basis, Your Honor. 03:32:22.600 --> 03:32:49.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The court will simply note the objection of counsel. And counsel, the court will also take note of your continuing objection with respect to the use of AI-generated representations of what he is asking the witness about. If it shows closely or not. What bag she used to bring out the 125 million. 03:32:50.450 --> 03:32:50.970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With 03:32:50.970 --> 03:33:03.530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: your permission, counsel, court will note your continuing objection, the use of AI representations. Thank you, Your Honor. Counsel, witness will please answer. Ma'am Gina, parang ganyan po ba yung apat na bag na pinaglagyan niyo? 03:33:04.870 --> 03:33:10.230 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ganyan, Your Honor, kasi ang opening niyan is round. 03:33:13.210 --> 03:33:17.390 Gina F. Acosta: Ang sa akin, ang dinala ko po na bag is pa ganun po ang zipper. 03:33:17.830 --> 03:33:23.050 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Buo, pahaba, yung kabuoan ng bag. Okay, number one, yun ang isang pagkakaiba. Kulay? 03:33:24.230 --> 03:33:24.910 Gina F. Acosta: Kulay black. 03:33:25.650 --> 03:33:26.130 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pareho. 03:33:28.100 --> 03:33:30.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At apat na bag, kumasa yung 125. 03:33:31.830 --> 03:33:33.210 Gina F. Acosta: Apat po na bag, Your Honor. 03:33:33.650 --> 03:33:33.970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay, 03:33:34.110 --> 03:33:48.980 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: thank you so much. Ma'am, in putting the bills inside the bag, okay, sino ba yung tumulong? Sa paglalagay ng mga bills, yung 1,000 peso bills sa mga bags na ito, sino yung gumawa niyan? 03:33:49.560 --> 03:33:53.240 Gina F. Acosta: Ako po, Your Honor, ang naglagay ng mga pera sa bag. 03:33:54.200 --> 03:34:02.440 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: May membro pa ng VPSPG na tumulong sa iyo sa paglalagay ng mga bills na iyan sa bag? 03:34:03.040 --> 03:34:04.560 Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor. How 03:34:04.560 --> 03:34:11.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: long did it take? for you to put all the 125 million pesos into the bags. 03:34:11.660 --> 03:34:13.640 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko maalala, Your Honor. 03:34:14.920 --> 03:34:34.160 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Maaalala niyo po ba? Kasi sa'yo kayo naglagay doon. Maaalala niyo po ba gaano ba kabigat yung isang bag containing piles of 1,000 peso bills piled into 1 million each? 03:34:35.170 --> 03:34:36.970 Gina F. Acosta: Basta mabigat po, Your Honor. 03:34:38.810 --> 03:34:43.300 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: What about 30 kilograms per bag. Kung maalala mo. 03:34:48.930 --> 03:34:51.330 Gina F. Acosta: Di ko exactly maalala, Your Honor. 03:34:51.670 --> 03:34:57.530 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Alright. Ikaw ba ay nagkarga ng isa sa mga four bags na ito? 03:34:58.010 --> 03:35:00.370 Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor. So, 03:35:00.370 --> 03:35:01.430 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sino yung nagkarga? 03:35:02.270 --> 03:35:12.130 Gina F. Acosta: Bali, ganito po. Ang pera ay nandiyo na sa lahat na pinanailagay na po sa apat 03:35:12.130 --> 03:35:12.510 Gina F. Acosta: na bag. 03:35:15.940 --> 03:35:26.110 Gina F. Acosta: Sa diyang onawal na ilabas ko na po, Your Honor, tumulong po sa akin ang dalawang security guard, Your Honor, ginano nila, Your Honor, 03:35:26.930 --> 03:35:28.490 Gina F. Acosta: papunta sa 03:35:28.490 --> 03:35:39.750 Gina F. Acosta: entrance ng bangko, kung saan, naghintay po ang aming sasakyan, Your Honor. Tapos ako, Your Honor, nagsunod, nagtanaw sa duwaka security, Your Honor. 03:35:40.010 --> 03:35:44.530 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Alright, now, what about Libel Ortonio? Ano ba yung ginawa niya kung meron man? 03:35:46.420 --> 03:35:56.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sa paglalabas ng four bags containing 125 million pesos in gold cash, may naitulong ba si ginoong Lemuel Ortonio? 03:35:59.370 --> 03:36:00.950 Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, Your Honor. 03:36:01.170 --> 03:36:08.050 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Wala. Again, walang escorts, no request for escort, di po ba? 03:36:09.380 --> 03:36:14.760 Gina F. Acosta: Wala, pero ang amoang driver, Your Honor, is a member of BPSBG. 03:36:15.520 --> 03:36:16.400 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Isang driver? 03:36:17.000 --> 03:36:18.120 Gina F. Acosta: Duhay, Your Honor, 03:36:18.260 --> 03:36:18.560 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: dalawang. Two 03:36:18.560 --> 03:36:27.330 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: drivers. Okay. Aside from these two drivers, yung tanong ko is, aside from the two drivers, walang ibang membro ng BPSPG. 03:36:27.650 --> 03:36:28.610 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: As an answer, Your Honor. 03:36:28.790 --> 03:36:31.570 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: As an answer, counsel. What time did you leave the bank? 03:36:33.110 --> 03:36:33.950 Gina F. Acosta: Ano, Your Honor? 03:36:34.050 --> 03:36:37.290 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Anong oras kayo lumabas ng bangko? 03:36:42.670 --> 03:36:45.390 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko exactly maalala, Your Honor. 03:36:45.910 --> 03:36:56.980 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi mo maalala. Now, galing sa trolley, papunta ng mga sasakyan. Okay? Sino yung nag-transfer ng mga bags na yan? 03:36:57.260 --> 03:37:02.040 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Misleading, Your Honor. There's no testimony as to the trolley. I did hear trolley 03:37:02.040 --> 03:37:02.440 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: as well, 03:37:02.520 --> 03:37:02.760 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: counsel. 03:37:02.780 --> 03:37:02.980 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I will 03:37:02.980 --> 03:37:14.380 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: reform, Your Honor. Now, sino ba yung nag-transfer galing sa bangko papuntahan sa sasakyan ng 03:37:16.240 --> 03:37:18.780 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: four bags na yan? 03:37:19.340 --> 03:37:20.580 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Ask and answer, Your Honor. 03:37:20.820 --> 03:37:27.100 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Gina, with the indulgence of counsels, sabi niyo wala kayong binuwat sa apat na bag. Tama po. 03:37:28.260 --> 03:37:29.380 Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, Your Honor. 03:37:30.600 --> 03:37:33.420 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Wala rin binuhat si Ginong Ortonio sa apat na bag. 03:37:34.100 --> 03:37:35.260 Gina F. Acosta: Wala sab, Your Honor. 03:37:35.440 --> 03:37:38.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ang nagbuhat, dalawang security guard ng bangko. 03:37:38.240 --> 03:37:40.900 Gina F. Acosta: Sila po ang tumulong. Sila, Your Honor. 03:37:41.300 --> 03:37:44.380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Tig dalawang bag ang binuhat nila o may trolley silang ginamit? 03:37:46.150 --> 03:37:53.790 Gina F. Acosta: Di kaya ko ka-remember kung nagamit sila o trolley. Ang ma-remember ko, Your Honor, gi-drag nila ang dua ka bag. 03:37:55.830 --> 03:37:58.210 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Dalawang bag kada guard. 03:37:58.620 --> 03:37:59.500 Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. 03:38:00.060 --> 03:38:01.820 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Isahang labasan yung apat na bag. 03:38:02.160 --> 03:38:08.180 Gina F. Acosta: Sabay po sila, Your Honor, at nandun po ako, Your Honor, nagsunod-sunod sa ilan, nagtanaw, Your Honor. Okay. 03:38:08.360 --> 03:38:23.000 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your witness, counsel. Now, so, paano ninyo, transfer, dinala, yung four bags na yan galing Land Bank Show Boulevard papunta sa pinuntahan nyo after that? 03:38:24.800 --> 03:38:28.990 Gina F. Acosta: Gisakay. Sinakay sa? Amo ang service, Your Honor? Service. 03:38:29.110 --> 03:38:31.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pag sinabing service, ibig niyong sabihin, sasakyan. 03:38:32.130 --> 03:38:32.730 Gina F. Acosta: Opo. 03:38:32.850 --> 03:38:34.590 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ilang sasakyan kung meron man? 03:38:35.310 --> 03:38:36.630 Gina F. Acosta: Dalawa, Your Honor. Kaninong 03:38:36.630 --> 03:38:39.850 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sasakyan yung pinagsidlan, pinagsakyan ng perang iyan? 03:38:40.590 --> 03:38:42.370 Gina F. Acosta: Sa OBP, Your Honor. 03:38:42.470 --> 03:38:49.510 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: OBP. Sumakay ka ba sa similar sa parehong sasakyan together with Lemuel Ortonio? 03:38:50.350 --> 03:38:57.010 Gina F. Acosta: Ako nagsakay sa isang sasakyan, Your Honor. Tapos si Ortonio po nagsakay sa isang sasakyan, Your Honor. 03:38:57.940 --> 03:39:00.080 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Cal, saan kayo nagpunta after that? 03:39:00.600 --> 03:39:05.980 Gina F. Acosta: Nagpunta po kami sa office po ng OBP. 03:39:06.930 --> 03:39:11.830 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Office of the Vice President. Anong oras kayo dumating doon, if at all? 03:39:13.270 --> 03:39:17.450 Gina F. Acosta: Mga, nakaabot mo dito mga 4 o 4 o 'clock 03:39:17.450 --> 03:39:17.830 Gina F. Acosta: ng konti. 03:39:21.050 --> 03:39:22.890 Gina F. Acosta: 4 plus ng hapon. 03:39:23.450 --> 03:39:34.510 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 4 plus ng hapon. Who assisted you, kung meron man, in transferring the bags from the cars to the office of the Vice President? Kung meron man. 03:39:35.600 --> 03:39:43.060 Gina F. Acosta: Pagdating ko doon sa Fort Lawyer, Your Honor, sa office po kasi namin, meron pong talagang naka-duty na mga BPSPG. 03:39:43.420 --> 03:39:44.020 Gina F. Acosta: So, 03:39:44.120 --> 03:40:02.910 Gina F. Acosta: naka-arrive na kami sa Fort Lawyer, Your Honor. Open ang car, tapos nakita ng BPSPG na nag-action ako na kunin ang bag. Nakita nila na dili ko kaya. Tumulong po ang dalawang BPSPG, Your Honor, 03:40:03.070 --> 03:40:03.630 Gina F. Acosta: na 03:40:03.630 --> 03:40:23.420 Gina F. Acosta: ang bag makuha doon sa sasakyan, tapos ilagay namin sa trolley. Tapos sakay na kami, Your Honor, sa elevator na hindi tao ang sumasakay. Service elevator, Your Honor. Saan niyo 03:40:23.420 --> 03:40:24.420 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: dinala yung pera? 03:40:25.500 --> 03:40:29.320 Gina F. Acosta: Dinala ko po sa aking extension office, Your Honor. 03:40:29.900 --> 03:40:31.480 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung four traveling bags? 03:40:32.020 --> 03:40:32.980 Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. 03:40:33.020 --> 03:40:47.820 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ito yung tanong now, Madam Witness. Hindi po ba, noong November 25, 2024, Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability hearing, sinabi niyo dun, please show the TSN. 03:40:49.600 --> 03:41:00.020 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That's right after encashment, pagkatapos pong ma-encash yung 125 million pesos, tinawagan mo sino? 03:41:01.660 --> 03:41:03.520 Gina F. Acosta: CSO officer, Your Honor. 03:41:03.780 --> 03:41:05.380 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Colonel Lachika. 03:41:05.640 --> 03:41:06.340 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: To 03:41:06.340 --> 03:41:19.300 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: quote, sinabi mo dun, you called him and you told him na eto na yung ready na yung 125 million pesos. Tama po ba? 03:41:19.990 --> 03:41:24.990 Gina F. Acosta: Sinabihan ko po siya, Your Honor, na na-encast ko na po ang chike for the confidential funds. 03:41:25.210 --> 03:41:50.940 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, ma'am. Question. Ikaw yung specialist bursing officer. Ikaw yung nag-prepare ng confidential at yung physical financial plan. Hindi mo masabi kung empleyado ba. Hindi mo masagot-sagot yung napakasimpleng tanong kung empleyado ba si Colonel La Chica. The question is, why? 03:41:53.230 --> 03:42:04.880 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Did you have to call Colonel La Chica to inform him? Colonel La Chica, ready na. 125 million pesos. Bakit? 03:42:05.240 --> 03:42:28.390 Gina F. Acosta: Kasi po, may instruction po sa taas, Your Honor, ng aking head of agency na kung ma-encash ko po ang cheque, i-release ko po kay Sir La Chica kinsa ihangi-designate na special officer po. As security officer po sa office of the Vice President, na as I order, Your Honor. 03:42:28.750 --> 03:42:42.670 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, ma'am. Sabi mo, tinawagan mo si Colonel Achica kasi yun yung utos ng head of agency. Siguro sa ating mga kababayan na hindi alam, sino ba? 03:42:45.060 --> 03:43:08.880 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sino ba ang head of agency na nag-utos sa'yo as the special disbursing officer na ibigay? Yung 125 million pesos in cold cash sa isang security officer, Colonel Raymond Dante Lachica. 03:43:11.640 --> 03:43:24.420 Gina F. Acosta: Ang nag-utos po sa akin na i-release ang pera na 125M sa security officer na si Colonel Lachica ay si Ma'am Sara Duterte. 03:43:29.220 --> 03:43:45.070 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You turned over 125 million pesos to Col. La Chica precisely para siya yung mag-disburse ng 125 million pesos for the supposed confidential activities ng Office of the Vice President. Tama po ba? 03:43:45.310 --> 03:43:46.750 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Misleading, Your Honor. What? 03:43:48.800 --> 03:43:50.240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Why is it misleading, counsel? 03:43:50.520 --> 03:43:59.240 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, the witness has yet to testify on anything but the question. is premised on Your Honor. 03:43:59.860 --> 03:44:11.200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Overruled, counsel. Witness said that she was instructed by the head of agency, the vice president, to give the money to... Anong word ginamit niya, ma'am? Transfer? 03:44:12.840 --> 03:44:13.400 Gina F. Acosta: Release. 03:44:13.860 --> 03:44:20.520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Release. To release the money to Colonel Lachica. Proceed, counsel. Now, 03:44:20.600 --> 03:44:48.170 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: hindi po ba na nag-testify ka rin sa November 25, 2024? Committee on Good Government Hearing na binigay mo yung 125 million pesos kay Curly La Chica kasi si La Chica lang yung may alam, siya lang yung may alam on how to implement yung confidential activities. Di po ba? 03:44:50.510 --> 03:44:51.950 Gina F. Acosta: Yes po. Siya po 03:44:51.950 --> 03:45:18.520 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ang expert. You can explain po later, ma'am. And you only came to know that Colonel La Chica knows how to implement the confidential activities. Nalaban nyo lang na si Colonel La Chica yung may alam paano i-implement yung confidential activities precisely because yun yung sabi sa inyo ni VP Inday Sara Duterte. Tama po ba? 03:45:19.050 --> 03:45:19.950 Gina F. Acosta: Kasi po ang 03:45:19.950 --> 03:45:34.940 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: security. With all due respect po, pupwede pong sagutin ng yes or no without... Explain, explanation. Ma'am, I will allow you. Pero po ba, puwede po bang sagutin po muna? Yes or no? I will allow you to explain. 03:45:36.520 --> 03:45:41.220 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, the witness is answering, Your Honor. May the witness be allowed to finish her answer? 03:45:41.580 --> 03:45:49.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: She already started answering, counsel. Let her answer and you can continue with your direct. Kindly answer. Pakisagot po, Ma'am Gina. Yung katanungan. 03:45:51.460 --> 03:45:54.280 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, may I request to repeat the question, Your Honor? 03:45:54.380 --> 03:45:54.900 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ulit na lang 03:45:54.900 --> 03:45:55.700 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: po, Atty. Niligutan. 03:45:56.790 --> 03:46:08.210 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nalaman mo na si Colonel La Chica yung may alam paano i-implement yung confidential activities. Kasi nga, yun yung sabi sa inyo ni VP Sara Duterte. Tama po ba? 03:46:10.230 --> 03:46:14.310 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, siya po ang security officer na sinabi ni Vice Presidente. 03:46:14.370 --> 03:46:20.090 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Alright, now, I'm showing you yung transcript, page 140 this time. 03:46:22.090 --> 03:46:25.520 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Do we have it? Page 140. 03:46:30.370 --> 03:46:51.790 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tanong sa inyo, Representative Luizo, then why did you give all the money to Colonel La Chica? Yung sagot niyo was because po may utos po ni Ma'am Inday Sara na sa kanya po i-release kasi siya po ang nakakaalam kung paano po i-implement ang mga programs and activities in line po sa confidential activities. You confirm that? 03:46:52.680 --> 03:46:53.680 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. 03:46:54.040 --> 03:47:11.320 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Madam, since si La Chica yung may alam, paano i-implement yung project? under confidential funds, siya din yung nag-implement ng mga confidential activities. This time, ma'am, hindi na 2022. This time, for 2023, correct? 03:47:13.880 --> 03:47:15.740 Gina F. Acosta: Same question, Your Honor. 03:47:16.080 --> 03:47:40.000 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, I will repeat the question. Siyang sabi mo, ipinabigay ni VP Sara yung pera kay La Chica kasi siya yung may alam paano i-implement yung confidential activities. Okay now, yung tanong is, si Colonel La Chica din. yung nag-implement ng lahat ng confidential activities this time, ma'am, para sa taong 2023. Tama po ba? 03:47:40.260 --> 03:47:41.520 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. 03:47:42.040 --> 03:47:42.060 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tama po. 03:47:42.510 --> 03:48:06.260 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, this is the question now. You will agree that handling tsaka yung pagdi-disperse ng 500 million pesos na pera ng bayan, ma'am, pondo ng bayan, 03:48:08.080 --> 03:48:21.350 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi iyan trabaho ng isang security officer kagaya ni Colonel La Chica. Tama po ba? 03:48:21.970 --> 03:48:22.910 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. 03:48:23.730 --> 03:48:25.550 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What's the objection? Counsel, what's the objection? 03:48:26.730 --> 03:48:33.110 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, the objection is grounded that it's argumentative and it calls for a conclusion, Your Honor. 03:48:33.630 --> 03:48:39.130 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly modify, counsel. It is argumentative. You can modify and get the response you want from the witness. Yes, 03:48:39.130 --> 03:48:54.430 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ma'am. Yes, sir. Now, Madam Witness, hindi po pa na base sa paragraph 3.27 ng Joint Circular 2015. Please flash that one. 03:48:56.180 --> 03:49:32.960 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yun yung trabaho ng isang security officer. refers to a personnel who by reason of his duty or employment has been officially designated to have access to security information. Tanong, andyan ba dyan? Nakasulat na po puwedeng yung isang security officer yung mag-iimplement ng confidential activities tsaka yung mag-de-disperse ng confidential funds ng isang ahensya. like the office of the Vice President. 03:49:33.240 --> 03:49:36.220 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Same objection, Your Honor. Argumentative and calls for a conclusion. 03:49:36.700 --> 03:49:59.160 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If she knows, counsel, because she answered that she based her actions based on JC 2015-1. Ma'am Gina, pakisagot po yung tanong. Bahagi po ba ng trabaho ng security officer ayon sa Joint Circular ang tumanggap ng confidential at mag-implement ng confidential funds? 03:50:00.000 --> 03:50:17.160 Gina F. Acosta: Siya po ang may alam, siya po ang expert to Your Honor sa pagpatupad po ng confidential operation and activities, Your Honor. Kasi siya po ang may access when it comes to national security, Your Honor. 03:50:17.620 --> 03:50:23.960 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ayon po kanino, ma'am? Ayon sa Joint Circular, ayon sa interpretation niyo, o ayon sa utos sa inyo? 03:50:24.860 --> 03:50:27.440 Gina F. Acosta: Ayon po sa Joint Circular, Your Honor. 03:50:28.860 --> 03:50:31.020 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Saan po sa Joint Circular, alam niyo po? At 03:50:31.020 --> 03:50:40.480 Gina F. Acosta: saka ayon po sa utos ng head of agency kasi meron po siyang security officer na order, Your Honor. 03:50:41.040 --> 03:51:14.170 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Counsel, your witness. Of course, iisa-isahin natin yan. Sinabi mo nasa Joint Circular, yung basihan, na po pwede yung security officer, okay, gumamag-disperse ng confidential funds. Ma'am, I will give you. all the time you will need. Basahin. 2015. Circular. Saan dyan? Saan dyan makikita? Yung sinasabi mong puwedeng security officer yung magkasta disbursed ng confidential funds. 03:51:15.080 --> 03:51:53.130 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, based po sa aking nalalaman sa GC, ako po ang special disbursing officer. Ang gawain ko po, Your Honor, is... to this board. Pero ang pag-implement po ng mga confidential operation activities in related to confidential funds, yan po ay saklaw po sa trabaho po ng isang security officer kasi wala po akong alam. Well, di ako expert to Your Honor sa pagpatupad ng various Confidential activities or operations on the grounds, Your Honor. Okay, 03:51:53.210 --> 03:52:09.580 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I will tailor, I mean, I'll make this narrower. Yung pag-de-disperse, yung pagbabayan, paggagamit ng confidential funds, based sa circular, trabaho ba yan ng isang security officer? 03:52:09.860 --> 03:52:10.780 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: As you answered, Your Honor. 03:52:12.340 --> 03:52:14.980 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Overruled. Overruled. Witness will please answer. 03:52:16.040 --> 03:52:16.800 Gina F. Acosta: Ano po yan? 03:52:16.820 --> 03:52:28.660 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Trabaho po ba ng isang dispersing, ng isang security officer yung paggamit ng confidential funds, pag-disperse ng confidential funds? Trabaho po ba iyan based on circular? 03:52:29.120 --> 03:52:44.910 Gina F. Acosta: Basta ang trabaho ko, Your Honor, ako po ang dispersing officer, Your Honor, ang pagpa-implement po ng various confidential activities in relation po sa confidential funds, Your Honor, ay saklaw po sa trabaho ng security officer, Your Honor, kasi 03:52:44.910 --> 03:52:45.510 Gina F. Acosta: confidential 03:52:45.510 --> 03:52:47.350 Gina F. Acosta: po yun, Your Honor. Ma 03:52:47.350 --> 03:52:57.450 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 'am Gina, ang tanong po, trabaho ba ng security officer, gas to send, i-release, i-labas yung confidential fund na dinisverse po ninyo? 03:52:59.010 --> 03:53:01.750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung oo po, saan sa joint circular nakalaga yun? 03:53:04.170 --> 03:53:05.130 Gina F. Acosta: Ano yun, Sir? 03:53:05.630 --> 03:53:29.460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Trabaho po ba ng security officer, gas to send, yung ni-release yung confidential fund? Iba po yung implement. Siyempre siya yung magagawa ng surveillance. Siyempre siya po yung kukuha ng mga operative na yun sa intelligence. Pero yung paggastos po. Trabaho po ba ng security officer gastusin yung dinisburst ninyong confidential fund? 03:53:30.600 --> 03:54:03.560 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po, Your Honor. Trabaho po yan ng disbursing officer, Your Honor. Pero pag nai-release ko na po ang pera sa kanya, Your Honor, pinareceive ko sa kanya, Your Honor, magbigay po siya sa akin ng utilization report, Your Honor. Yun po ang signed or evidenced, Your Honor, na gawa, na-implement na po niya, Your Honor, ang mga various confidential activities or operations, Your Honor, sa ground kasi siya po ang expert, Your Honor. 03:54:03.680 --> 03:54:07.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So sa pananaw po ninyo, ang ginamit niyo pong salita, release. 03:54:08.120 --> 03:54:08.640 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, 03:54:08.640 --> 03:54:08.960 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor. 03:54:08.960 --> 03:54:15.670 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yung pag-release po nyo ng pera, kay Colonel Lachica eh dapat i-liquidate na po niya yun? 03:54:16.280 --> 03:54:28.040 Gina F. Acosta: I-liquidate po niya, Your Honor, after po matapos po ang pagpa-implement ng various confidential activities po sa ground, Your Honor, kasi siya po ang expert po, Your Honor. Pero 03:54:28.040 --> 03:54:33.480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: siya po ang gumastos ng pera sa iba't ibang nakatanggap ng confidential fund. Tama po. 03:54:34.830 --> 03:54:35.790 Gina F. Acosta: Ano yun, Your Honor? 03:54:35.970 --> 03:54:44.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Siya po ang gumastos ng pera at nag-abot ng pera Sa iba't ibang pinagbigyan niya, base sa intelligence at confidential operations niya, tama po ba? 03:54:44.940 --> 03:54:55.820 Gina F. Acosta: Siya po, Your Honor, kasi siya po ang may alam kung paano po i-implement ang mga confidential operations activities, Your Honor, kasi confidential po, Your Honor, wala po ako alam. 03:54:55.820 --> 03:54:55.960 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po 03:54:55.960 --> 03:55:03.600 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ba sangayon sa Joint Circular, kayo dapat ang nagdi-disperse direkta sa beneficiary o recipient? 03:55:04.560 --> 03:55:20.400 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi naman po sinabi, Your Honor, na ako ang magpunta doon sa ground, Your Honor, kasi wala po akong alam, Your Honor, kung ipapatupad, wala po akong security, wala po akong access, Your Honor, sa tinatawag na security information, Your Honor. 03:55:20.840 --> 03:55:37.360 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Huling katanungan po, kaugnan nito bago kay Paso kay Eterna Lagutan. Sa pananaw niyo po ba, sa pag-release niyo kay Colonel Lachica, recipient si Colonel Lachica ng confidential fund, o... Ginampanan po niya yung tungkulin niya sa pag-disperse lamang. 03:55:38.780 --> 03:55:40.980 Gina F. Acosta: Ah, lalipo ko. I'm sorry. I'm 03:55:40.980 --> 03:55:47.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: confused. Recipient po ba si Atty. Lachica, si Col. Lachica? O tagapagbigay lang siya ng perang ni-release niyo sa kanya? 03:55:49.380 --> 03:55:50.080 Gina F. Acosta: Ah, wait. 03:55:50.700 --> 03:55:54.080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yung pera po ba'y tinanggap ni Col. Lachica para sa sarili niya? 03:55:54.640 --> 03:55:55.620 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi, Your Honor. 03:55:56.220 --> 03:55:58.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Tinanggap po niya para ipamigay sa ibang tao. 03:55:59.960 --> 03:56:14.520 Gina F. Acosta: Tinagka po niyo, Your Honor, para po, Your Honor, sa mga gastusin in relation po sa pagpatupad ng confidential activities or operations, Your Honor, kasi siya po ang may alam, Your Honor, at saka confidential in nature po, Your Honor. So 03:56:14.520 --> 03:56:17.980 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: sa pananaw po ninyo, hindi siya recipient, si Colonel Lachica. 03:56:18.500 --> 03:56:21.340 Gina F. Acosta: Yun po ang explanation ko sa iyo kanina, Your Honor. 03:56:21.640 --> 03:56:22.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi nga po siya recipient. 03:56:24.000 --> 03:56:25.740 Gina F. Acosta: Dily, Your Honor. Okay. 03:56:25.880 --> 03:56:28.140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Dily is hindi. Now, you sit. At 03:56:28.140 --> 03:57:05.550 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: to yung niligutan. You said that you gave the 125 billion pesos to Colonel Achika. Siya yung nag-disperse. Sabi mo kanina, una, kasi yun yung nakasulat sa Joint Circular 2015-01. And then, sabi mo, and that not only that, sinabi mo rin, kasi yun yung utos ng head of agency, si VP Inday Sara. Now, you were asked, saan sa circular nakasulat? na puwedeng mag-disperse ng confidential funds. Isang security officer hindi mo mahanap. Tama po ba? Tama po ba, ma 'am? 03:57:05.550 --> 03:57:08.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes or no? This is a premise to the next question, Your Honor. 03:57:08.450 --> 03:57:09.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may answer, counsel? 03:57:11.330 --> 03:57:12.030 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes or no? 03:57:12.130 --> 03:57:13.070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pakisagot po, ma'am Gina. 03:57:13.670 --> 03:57:26.450 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Kung hindi niyo po naunawaan pa, ulit niyo po. Wala sa Circular 2015-01 nakasulat dyan na puwedeng si Colonel Achika as security officer yung mag-disperse ng confidential funds. Wala dyan. 03:57:29.190 --> 03:57:30.810 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Wala dyan. Yes or no? 03:57:31.500 --> 03:57:32.500 Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor. 03:57:32.840 --> 03:57:45.330 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So, therefore, we are left with only the remaining reason why you gave the confidential funds to Col. La Chica. Kasi, yan. 03:57:47.380 --> 03:57:49.540 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You said, yung pangalawang rason. 03:57:49.760 --> 03:57:53.200 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi, dalawang rason po ang ibig sabihin ko, sir. Okay, 03:57:53.280 --> 03:57:56.590 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ma'am, no question yet. Hindi po tayo nag-aaway. 03:57:56.750 --> 03:57:57.490 Gina F. Acosta: Yes po. 03:57:57.710 --> 03:58:06.010 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You gave. The 125 million pesos kasi utos ni VP Sara sa'yo. Tama po ba? 03:58:06.750 --> 03:58:08.350 Gina F. Acosta: Isa po yan sa rason, Sir. 03:58:08.470 --> 03:58:08.930 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes or no? 03:58:10.170 --> 03:58:11.210 Gina F. Acosta: Yes. Despite 03:58:11.210 --> 03:58:14.970 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: nothing in the 03:58:14.970 --> 03:58:17.370 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: circular. Yes or no? 03:58:17.650 --> 03:58:19.030 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Argumentative and ask and answer, Your Honor. 03:58:19.510 --> 03:58:23.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Please answer the question, Madam Witness. It's quite easy to answer. 03:58:24.450 --> 03:58:25.850 Gina F. Acosta: Despite not being 03:58:25.850 --> 03:58:33.570 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: in the circular na po pwedeng si La Chica yung mag-disperse ng confidential funds, binigay mo pa rin sa kanya. Tama po ba? 03:58:34.110 --> 03:58:38.970 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi na ko ihatag, Your Honor, kung wala siya gi-appoint ng security officer, Your Honor. 03:58:39.310 --> 03:58:45.570 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That's her interpretation, counsel? Yes. That's her interpretation and reason why she gave it to Colonel La Chica? Or 03:58:45.570 --> 03:58:50.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: is it because you cannot dare question? The Vice President's instruction. 03:58:51.380 --> 03:58:52.920 Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor, argumentative. 03:58:53.080 --> 03:59:08.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I would sustain it because it was asked and answered already. She gave two reasons, counsel. Number one, that Colonel Lachica is the one who knows how to implement it. Tama po. And number two, dahil inutos sa kanya ng Vice President bilang Head of Agency. Tama po, Ma'am Gina? 03:59:08.420 --> 03:59:09.500 Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. 03:59:09.520 --> 03:59:12.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yan po yung dalawang rason ba't niya binigay kay Colonel Lachica. 03:59:12.500 --> 03:59:14.040 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Okay. 03:59:14.260 --> 03:59:15.920 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, Madam 03:59:15.920 --> 03:59:16.280 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Witness. 03:59:19.080 --> 03:59:23.720 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I'm showing you now a video where 03:59:25.290 --> 03:59:51.590 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: you said you entrusted the confidential funds in the amount of 125 million pesos to a security officer because the vice president directed you to do so and you merely complied. Can we play that? 03:59:52.960 --> 03:59:53.880 Gina F. Acosta: Comply? 03:59:54.490 --> 03:59:57.010 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Wait po, wala pa po? Wala pang question? 03:59:58.500 --> 04:00:01.220 Gina F. Acosta: Sorry, sorry po. It's 04:00:01.220 --> 04:00:02.520 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: okay po. No need to be sorry po. 04:00:05.520 --> 04:00:06.080 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Counsel, 04:00:06.200 --> 04:00:09.420 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you have three minutes. Is this your last question for the afternoon? 04:00:09.620 --> 04:00:12.090 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: For this afternoon. Let's play it. 04:00:13.850 --> 04:00:32.040 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And then, since part of your job as a special disbursing officer is the disbursement of this amount, please enlighten us. Paano niyo po ginastos, ipinayad, inirelease itong 125 million pesos? 04:00:32.760 --> 04:00:40.370 Gina F. Acosta: Ganito po ang nangyari, ma'am. Nang ma-encash na po ang kwarta, ang pera, ay ang cheque, nag 04:00:43.030 --> 04:01:00.460 Gina F. Acosta: -inform po ang aking head of agency na i-release ko po sa aming security officer. So while on the way na po ako papuntang office, I called up the security officer informing him 04:01:00.460 --> 04:01:01.780 Gina F. Acosta: na 04:01:01.780 --> 04:01:03.940 Gina F. Acosta: na-encash ko na po ang 04:01:03.940 --> 04:01:05.200 Gina F. Acosta: cheque. 04:01:05.200 --> 04:01:08.500 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: You inform the security officer? 04:01:08.500 --> 04:01:09.700 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, ma'am. 04:01:09.700 --> 04:01:16.200 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Can you please mention the name of the security officer? Si Colonel Nolasco din ho ba yan? 04:01:16.480 --> 04:01:23.000 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po, ma'am. Sino po yan? Si Colonel Lachica po. Colonel Lachica. Can you please 04:01:23.000 --> 04:01:25.860 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: enlighten the committee? Sino po ba si Colonel Lachica? 04:01:26.200 --> 04:01:36.990 Gina F. Acosta: Si Colonel Lachica po ay siya po ang ground commander ng aming BPSBGs na na-assign po sa office of the Vice President. 04:01:37.330 --> 04:01:42.250 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Okay. So you informed Colonel La Chica that you have encashed already the cheque. 04:01:42.250 --> 04:01:42.890 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, ma'am. 04:01:42.890 --> 04:01:47.850 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: How about the physical handing of the money? Kailan po nangyari yan? 04:01:49.790 --> 04:01:52.100 Gina F. Acosta: December 20 din po. 04:01:52.100 --> 04:01:54.870 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Magkano po ang binigay niyo kay Colonel La Chica? 04:01:55.150 --> 04:02:01.070 Gina F. Acosta: Binigay ko po sa kanya lahat ang 125 million po. At saan po dinala 04:02:01.070 --> 04:02:01.950 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: ni Colonel La Chica? 04:02:03.500 --> 04:02:05.160 Gina F. Acosta: Yan ang hindi ko naalam, ma 04:02:05.160 --> 04:02:05.450 Gina F. Acosta: 'am. 04:02:05.450 --> 04:02:11.500 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sandali lang po. Anong oras po ba kayo nakabalik sa OVP? 04:02:11.500 --> 04:02:13.340 Gina F. Acosta: Mga around 04:02:13.340 --> 04:02:17.340 Gina F. Acosta: 4, 4pm. 04:02:17.860 --> 04:02:20.480 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: How long did it take you? 04:02:30.180 --> 04:02:31.460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I think that's it, counsel. 04:02:31.940 --> 04:02:32.420 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. 04:02:38.960 --> 04:02:42.100 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let's go to next video for this point, Your Honor, please. 04:02:44.960 --> 04:02:47.260 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That is, can we show it? 04:03:01.370 --> 04:03:02.130 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: You 04:03:02.130 --> 04:03:10.700 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: were able to check if the items and the amounts provided in the object of expenditure total to 125 million. You checked that? 04:03:10.700 --> 04:03:11.700 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, ma'am. 04:03:11.700 --> 04:03:27.560 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Okay. Tanong Ms. Acosta, what gave you the confidence? Ano ang nagbigay sa inyo ng lakas ng loob na ibigay ang buong 125 million? 04:03:38.200 --> 04:03:38.920 Gina F. Acosta: May 04:03:38.920 --> 04:03:41.320 Gina F. Acosta: approval po kay Ma'am Inday Sara. 04:03:45.140 --> 04:03:51.920 Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po. Yes po. 04:04:01.260 --> 04:04:06.880 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Page 137 of the TSN marked as PI-1G for the prosecution, please. 04:04:07.460 --> 04:04:07.880 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That 04:04:11.630 --> 04:04:16.610 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: will be the last item for this afternoon for the prosecution. Do you 04:04:23.010 --> 04:05:11.300 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: trust Colonel La Chica, Representative Luistro? Acosta, I trust La Chica. I trust La Chica kasi ginatrust po siya ng aking head of office in Dysara. Representative Luistro, in other words, the only reason Why you're giving your trust to Col. La Chica is because of the instruction of the Vice President. Ms. Acosta, yes ma'am. Luistro, tama mo ba? Acosta, yes ma'am. Luistro, without the instruction of the Vice President, you will never give the entire amount of the 125 billion pesos to Col. La Chica. Ms. Acosta, what was your answer to that question? 04:05:13.320 --> 04:05:14.060 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, sir. 04:05:14.300 --> 04:05:14.820 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Basahin mo. 04:05:15.380 --> 04:05:16.320 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, ma'am. 04:05:17.030 --> 04:05:23.870 Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That will be all for the prosecution this afternoon. But you will still continue with your direct tomorrow, counsel. Yes, Your Honor. 04:05:24.970 --> 04:05:28.730 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thereafter, we will proceed with the cross of counsel for respondent. 04:05:30.390 --> 04:05:38.270 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am Gina, pansamantala po konyong pagpapaliban yung inyong testimonya. Balik po kayo bukas, ha? Opo, Your 04:05:38.270 --> 04:05:39.150 Gina F. Acosta: Honor. Kung 04:05:39.150 --> 04:05:49.290 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: maaari po, yan ang nasa visa pa rin ng parehong sabi ng inisyo po namin para po hanggang sa bukas. Para ipagpatuloy po niyo inyong testimonya sa kukumang ito. 04:05:49.950 --> 04:05:50.470 Gina F. Acosta: Yes, 04:05:50.490 --> 04:05:50.630 Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor. 04:05:51.210 --> 04:05:51.730 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank 04:05:51.730 --> 04:06:30.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you, ma'am. Your excuse, ma'am. Pwede na po kayong bumaba sa witness stand. Just for some administrative matters, the court takes... The court, rather, is in receipt of a 13 August letter of Mr. Lemuel Ortonio asking for leave or to be excused from attending the hearing this week because he is going to take a scheduled psychologist licensure exam administered by the PRC. Given that we are not yet through with Ms. Gina Acosta, we still have witness Eduarda 04:06:32.330 --> 04:06:33.370 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Eduardo Fajarda. 04:06:35.240 --> 04:08:24.800 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Court finding merit in the request and good faith on the part of Ortonio, hereby grants the request of Mr. Ortonio so that he can take his licensure exam this week. The court will however inform him in advance that we will be issuing a subpoena for him to attend this hearing on Monday after he shall have taken his licensure exam. And a second matter. For the information of the senator-judges and the parties, the Clerk of Court has completed the comparison of the acknowledgement receipts marked as exhibits by both parties. Based on the acknowledgement receipts so far submitted, it appears that there are 3,616 common acknowledgement receipts, 2,666 pertaining to the Office of the Vice President, and 950 pertaining to the DepEd. All ARs are marked by the counsel for the respondent have corresponding ARs from the panel of prosecutors. We note, however, that out of the total of 4,492 acknowledgement receipts of the prosecution, 876 have no counterpart acknowledgement receipts from the respondent. We shall be furnishing both parties with a copy of the Clerk of Court's findings as well as the senator-judges for your information and reference. Forgive us given the inclement weather. We will be adjourning session early in the Senate also by instruction of the Senate President. That's why we're adjourning trial again also a bit earlier today. We will see you tomorrow unless trial is cancelled or unless session is cancelled due to inclement weather. For the meantime, there'll be no other business to be taken up. Trial is hereby adjourned until tomorrow, October 18, rather August 18 at 10 o'clock in the morning.