September 7, 2026

The Senate President, the Presiding Officer,

and the Senator-Judges of the Impeachment Court.

...

Sergeant-at-Arms is directed to make a proclamation.

All persons are commanded to keep silent under pain of penalty while the Impeachment Court is in session for the trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.

The Impeachment Trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte is hereby called to order. We shall be led in prayer by Senator-Judge Alan Peter Cayetano.

2 Chronicles 7:14. If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. Lord, many, many, many years ago, Lord Father God, Your people in Egypt thought they were forgotten, thought that they were worthless, thought that whether it is their culture, their actions, or kung simpleng kapalaran lang nila ang maging slaves po. Ang maging isang nation na hindi nakikita po ang pag-asa. But from a child who will be killed to the son of the Pharaoh, back to being a shepherd, you sent Moses. But Lord God, the 7 to 14 days journey from Egypt to the Promised Land, the 7 to 14 day journey from slavery to conquerors, turned out to be 40 years. It is said that this is so not because only of disobedience, but because one generation refused to think. Like conquerors, refused to submit to you but rather had that slave mentality. Even claiming in the desert that it is better to go back to Egypt because at least there is food and drink. Lord Father, it is 2026 and we are faced with an economic crisis, not only the Philippines, the whole world. We're faced with a crisis with our democracy, facing many, many corruption issues. We are faced with issues of accountability from the president to the vice president all the way down, Lord God, to our barangays. Lord, in 1906, after almost 400 years of Spanish rule, you decreed that we shift in our courts from Spanish to English. Exactly 40 years later, Lord God, we left the Commonwealth of the United States of America. to be an independent nation. Exactly 40 years more, we had the first peaceful people power revolution in the world. Lord, every 40 years it seems you have freed us for something and allowed us to conquer and enter. Lord, we pray that in 2026 you will make things clear to us despite our political persuasions.

We pray that you protect the integrity of this court.

Not

only inside

this court, but external factors, Lord, even pressures targeted, Lord, not only at both parties, at the prosecution and the defense, but also at the senator-judges. We lift up to you our nation, Lord God, and humble ourselves. We pray that you will heal this land. In Jesus' mighty name. Amen.

Amen.

The clerk of court will now call the roll.

Roll call of members. Senator-Judge Aquino. Senator-Judge Cayetano Alan. Sen. Judge Cayetano Pia, Sen. Judge De La Rosa, Sen. Judge Ejercito, Sen. Judge Estrada, Sen. Judge Go, Sen. Judge Hontiveros, Sen. Judge Lacson, Sen. Judge Lapid, Sen. Judge Legarda, Sen. Judge Marcoleta, Sen. Judge Marcos, Sen. Judge Padilla, Sen. Judge Pangilinan, Sen. Judge Sotto III, Sen. Judge Tulfo Erwin. Senator-Judge, Tulfo Raffy, Senator-Judge, Villanueva, Senator-Judge, Villar Camille, Senator-Judge, Villar Mark, Senator-Judge, Zubiri, the presiding officer, Senator-Judge, Escudero,

the

Senate President, Senator-Judge, Gatchalian.

With

15 senator-judges present, the Chair declares the presence of a quorum. In accordance with the rules of procedure on impeachment trials, the Chair now recognizes the duly elected presiding officer. to preside over the proceedings of the impeachment court.

Thank you, Mr. Senate President. If there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the September 2, 2026 Journal of the Senate, sitting as an Impeachment Court and shall consider the same as approved.

The clerk will please call the case before the court.

Case number 004-2026 in the matter of impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.

Appearances.

Good morning, Your Honor. Same appearance for the public prosecutor, [unclear].

Good morning, Your Honor. Same appearance for the respondent accused.

Are you ready to call your witness, Honorable [unclear]?

Your Honor, we received last night about the, or we were informed last night about the medical condition of SDO Edward Fajarda.

And I understand, Your Honor, that during the last hearing, we offered to make a stipulation with the defense, Your Honor. With that, Your Honor, may we request Attorney Ray Robles be recognized?

For what, Honorable Chua? For the stipulation?

For the stipulation, Your Honor.

Do you have that in writing?

I think we discussed in the last hearing that it should be in writing, submitted to both our opposing counsel and the court.

We confirm, Your Honor, that we have received the request for stipulation.

I

do not seem to have a copy. Did you furnish the court with a copy?

Yes, Your Honor. We filed

it last week, Your Honor, Thursday.

So this is only for Mr. Fajarda?

Yes, Your Honor.

Yes. Atty. Robles, Atty. Ray, you may proceed with your proposed stipulations. So, the counsel for respondent, be willing.

Your Honor.

To

stipulate on any of the enumerated stipulations on SDO Fajarda. Yes, Atty. Sheila.

May I ask permission for Atty. Lindon Miguel Bacquel to be recognized, Your Honor, for the purpose of stipulating.

Atty.

Lindon.

Thank you.

You are recognized, sir.

Atty. Ray, you may proceed.

Yes, Your Honor. Good morning.

Your Honor, we are making this request for stipulation out of due consideration for the health and well-being of Mr. Fajarda. In fact, we were going to make this last week so that there will be no need to subpoena him. But anyway, Your Honor, if I could proceed.

May we proceed,

counsel?

Request for permission, Your Honor, to project the...

Proposals for stipulation one by one for the benefit of the honorable senator-judges and the public.

Permission is granted for the benefit of the public and the senator-judges. Again, to confirm, Attorney Lindon, you have a copy, right?

Yes, Your Honor.

Okay. You may proceed, Counsel.

Yes, Your Honor.

Number one, na si ginaong Edward Fajarda ay tinalaga ng Respondent Vice President Sara Z. Duterte. nung siya ay kalihim ng Kagawaran ng Edukasyon bilang Special Disbursing Officer or SDO para sa confidential funds ng Department of Education noong taong 2023.

Your Honor, before we proceed, may we request the prosecution to make the proposals for stipulation in English, Your Honor, considering that the proposals we received are written in English, Your Honor. So that we don't get any contrary or differing interpretation regarding the stipulations, Your

Honor.

Your Honor, the proposal in English are projected on the screen and we are merely trying to translate it to Filipino so that the viewing public may understand.

It is on the screen, Attorney Lindon, and if there are any deviations from the... Of the Tagalog-Filipino translation from their English proposed stipulation, the court will be mindful and take note of it and point it out.

Thank

you,

Your Honor.

Proceed, Attorney Ray.

That is the first request, Your Honor. May we hear from the distinguished counsel for the respondent if they're willing to stipulate in that regard?

We can stipulate, Your Honor.

Thank you. Number two, na bilang special disbursing officer, nag-encash si Ginoong Fajarda ng tatlong cheque bilang cash advance mula sa confidential funds ng Department of Education na may petsang February 20, 2023, April 19, 2023, at July 11, 2023. At ang bawat isa ay nagkakahalaga ng 37,500,000 pesos. Para sa kabuang halagang 112,500,000 pesos at ito ay pinakita ng kaukulang cheque, cash advance voucher at mga kaukulang records ng Department of Education at COA.

[unclear] whether or not counsel is willing to stipulate?

We can stipulate, Your Honor, but, uh, we can we also request for stipulation on defense exhibits 3, 27, and 57, your honor, as well as 4, 29, and 58-D, your honor. These are common exhibits, your honor. These are the Land Bank of the Philippines check ending 453, which is 3, D-I-3-DE, Land Bank of the Philippines check ending 964, which is D-I-27-DE, and Land Bank of the Philippines check number ending 2250 which is D-I-57-DE, Your Honor. Moreover, Your Honor, we would also request for stipulation of the disbursement vouchers dated February 20, 2023 which is D-I-4-DE. Disbursement voucher dated April 19, 2023 which is D-I-28-DE and disbursement voucher number 2307-10503 which is Defense Exhibits D-I-58-DE, Your Honor.

These are Common Exhibits Counsel, right?

Yes, correct, Your Honor.

Attorney Ray?

Willing to stipulate on our part, Your Honor.

So stipulated.

Thank you.

Proceed, Attorney Ray.

4. Na ibinigay ni Ginoong Fajarda ang nasabing confidential funds kay Col. Dennis Nolasco na noon ay deputy commander ng Vice President Security and Protection Group or VPSPG.

So

the requested stipulation is turned over na tinranslate sa binigay.

Your Honor, can we propose a different wording for this stipulation, Your Honor? The defense proposes that this stipulation be worded as SDO Mr. Edward Fajarda disbursed said confidential funds to Colonel Dennis Nolasco as a designated security officer, Your

Honor.

Insofar as the prosecution is concerned, Your Honor, since there is no showing, That there were proper evidence, document evidencing payment as far as we're concerned that was not a disbursement. So we are not willing to stipulate in that regard.

Yes,

we can counsel. But may I ask, Atty. Ray? If I remember correctly, you can correct me if I'm wrong, Atty. Ray. Atty. Lindon, you can correct me too if I'm wrong. My recollection of the TSN, that's what distinguished what Mr. Fajarda said compared to [unclear], that he disbursed. Am I mistaken?

No, Your Honor.

Mr. Fajarda has not yet testified, so we are relying on the video of Mr. Fajarda.

I'm saying in the house.

He

said that he turned it over. He did not say disbursed, Your Honor.

Again, I'm not sure. Attorney Lindon, do you confirm?

Your Honor, we note that the TSN dated November 25, 2024, particularly page 101.

Edward Fajarda stated that he disbursed the confidential funds to the security officers.

That's what I

recall as well. Again, I read it. I did not watch the video.

Yes, Your Honor. We can

show the video, Your Honor. There are several times that he mentioned that he gave it to...

Since the court took judicial notice of this already, both the video and the TSN...

Would the attorney rate be content or satisfied with the fact that let the court simply appreciate the distinction between turnover as worded by the prosecution and disbursed as worded by the

respondent?

Well, Your Honor, we have a proposal so that we can agree to that, Your Honor. If the counsel for the respondent is willing to stipulate that Mr. Fajarda was not able to present, Any document evidencing payment in favor or executed by Colonel Nolasco then we will be willing to stipulate your honor.

We are not willing to stipulate in that regard your honor but can we just read for the record the Considering that the prosecution is in the request for stipulation, they are relying as well on the statements of the witness during the House hearings. May we just read for the record the statement of the witness, the intended witness, Your Honor. For the record, in TSN dated November 25, 2024, page 101 thereof, the intended witness stated, Your Honor, as part po ng trabaho niya po, iyon eh, kasi confidential operation po. So sa kanya ko, i-disburse yung pera.

Your Honor, there are numerous instances when that was discussed and in two other instances, Mr. Fajarda said that he merely turned over the funds.

And I can also point out to page 74 of the same TSN that also makes mention of the fact that he disbursed it. So, can we leave this point and can we just agree that it was turned over to Nolasco? No, that Nolasco received the funds from Edward and that the court will appreciate the distinction between turned over and disbursed at the proper time. Would that be enough?

We submit your honor.

Attorney Lindon, would that be okay?

According to Mr. Edward Fajarda, your honor, he disbursed the...

Yes,

we take note of that, and again, twice, if attorney Ray is correct, twice he said he turned it over, but I also see two occasions where he said he disbursed.

So

can we agree that Colonel Nolasco received the funds from Fajarda?

Can we add, your honor, in Colonel Nolasco's capacity as a security officer?

Would that be acceptable, Atty. Ray?

Yes, Your Honor. But can we also make it of record that there is no document evidencing payment to Colonel Nolasco, from Colonel

Nolasco?

Well, I can confirm that as of now, no evidence has been presented that it was received by Mr. Nolasco.

Then we will submit, Your Honor.

Atty. Lindon, acceptable?

We will just, no, Your Honor, but we will just leave it to the appreciation of this honorable court as regards.

It is without

prejudice to the respondent presenting evidence, counsel, that he very much like what Gina Acosta said, if I'm not mistaken, that Lachica signed an acknowledgement receipt na binawi niya afterwards at wala siyang kopya. So right now there is no evidence on record as of now that Nolasco indeed received the amounts from Fajarda.

Yes, Your Honor.

Okay, move on, counsel.

Yes, Your Honor. Number 4, na ibinigay ni Ginoong Fajarda ang pondo kay Colonel Nolasco sa utos ni Respondent Vice President Duterte at ito ay inamin na ni Ginoong Fajarda sa pagdinig na isinagawa ng House Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability ng House of Representatives. Noong pagdinig noong Noviembre 25, 2024.

The disbursement was based on the instructions of the Vice President, Your Honor.

Can you repeat it,

Attorney Lindon?

If you're agreeing on the word, if we're disagreeing on the words turnover vis-a-vis disbursement, can we just say that the funds were received by Colonel Nolasco upon the instruction of the Vice President to

avoid that?

Yes, Your Honor. Whether it's

turnover or...

Received by.

That it is received by. Again, taking note that the prosecution stands by its turned over quote-unquote words and the respondent stands by its disbursed word.

Yes, Your Honor. Either we'll leave it to the Honorable Court to appreciate whether it's turned over or disbursement as

long as it is upon the instruction of the respondent, Your Honor.

Atty. Lindon, what do you say?

Can we modify the proposal, Your Honor, that it is based on the documents on record, Your Honor?

Is there a document evidencing the instruction given by the Vice President? I don't think so.

I don't think so, Your Honor.

We have a video, Your Honor, of Mr. Fajarda.

Yes, Counsel, but without going into that yet. We're not going into that yet. Attorney Lindon?

Can I ask for a minute to confer with you?

You have a minute, counsel, but I won't declare recess. In the meantime, we will review the [unclear].

We can stipulate, Your Honor.

Okay. Thank you, Atty. Lindon.

Thank

you.

Proceed, Atty. Ray, No. 5.

No. 5, Your Honor, na ang Commission on Audit, Department of Budget and Management, Department of Interior and Local Government, Governance Commission for GOCCs, at Department of National... Defense Joint Circular Number 2015-01 ay nagtatakda ng mga patakaran patungkol sa pag-request, pag-release, disbursement at liquidation ng confidential funds at intelligence funds, pati na rin ang kaukulang tungkulin ng Special Disbursing Officer, Head of Agency at Agency Accountant kaugnay nito.

Your Honor, we have no problem with stipulating this item, Your Honor, but this is a matter of law, Your Honor.

No,

aside from that, Attorney Ray, this is already stipulated to by respondent, if I'm not mistaken, as one of the common exhibits, JC2015-01, which is one of the identified exhibits that was previously requested for stipulation by counsel for respondent, which they already acceded to.

Your Honor, I know that it is a common exhibit but I am not aware that it has been

stipulated.

Number

6, na si Ginong Fajarda ay naghanda, pumirma at gumawa sa ilalim ng panunumpa ng mga certificates na may petsang March 31, 2023, July 30, 2023, at October 2, 2023 na nagpapatunay na ang confidential funds ng DepEd na ipinagkatiwala sa DepEd ay ginastos para sa confidential activities at ito ay kailangan at ginamit para sa legal na kadahilanan.

We can stipulate on that item, Your Honor. However, can we also request stipulation on the Defense Common Exhibits, Your Honor? Particularly certification dated March 31, 2023, which is D-I-6-DE, certification dated June 30, 2023, which is D-I-30-DE, and certification dated October 2, 2023, which is Defense Exhibits D-I-59-DE.

Again, I think this was stipulated already by the parties as well with the corresponding markings made and or given by both parties.

Yes, Your Honor. That

goes without saying because we're also marking them in evidence.

Proceed, Attorney Ray.

Thank you. Number 7. na ang respondent na si Vice President Duterte ay nagpatunay at pumirma rin sa nabanggit na certifications sa ilalim ng panunumpanya sa batas or under oath.

We can stipulate, Your Honor.

Proceed, Attorney Ray.

Number eight, na nilagdaan ni Ginoong Fajarda ang nasabing mga certifications kahit na wala siyang personal na kaalaman kung papaano, kanino at para saan ang aktual na pag-disburse ng nasabing confidential funds ayon na rin sa kanyang pag-amin sa pagdinig na isinagawa ng House Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability noong Noviembre 25, 2024.

Your Honor, May we counter-propose a simplified stipulation, Your Honor, that Edward Fajarda has no personal knowledge on the implementation of confidential operations where the confidential funds was utilized, Your Honor.

Your Honor, it's not the same fact, Your Honor. Mr. Fajarda actually admitted this during the hearing of the Committee on Good Governance and Public Accountability. that he had no personal knowledge as to the actual disbursements of the funds.

But

he said no personal knowledge as well, counsel, with respect to the implementation of the confidential funds, which includes, I presume, counsel, to whom the funds were actually disbursed. Wala nga siyang alam sa implementation eh.

So would that subsume it, counsel?

Would

not having personal knowledge with respect to whom the funds were given be subsumed in no personal knowledge in its implementation?

As I understand it, Your Honor, the videos are subject to judicial notice anyway. We submit, Your Honor.

Your Honor, we will just subject our stipulation based on the record, Your Honor.

Okay. Then we can

proceed.

Number 10. I'm sorry, number 9.

Na inihanda ni Ginoong Fajarda ang accomplishment reports na may petsang March 31, 2023, July 30, 2023, at October 9, 2023 kaugnay ng nasabing confidential funds at ito ay inaprubahan at nilagdaan ng Respondent Vice President Duterte.

We can stipulate your honor but we also request stipulation of defense as Accomplishment Report No. 23-01 which is D-I-21-DE Accomplishment Report No. 2023-02 which is D-I D-51-DE and Accomplishment Report Number 2023-03 which is Defense Exhibits D-I-75-DE, Your Honor.

So 9 and 10, so stipulated, noted. Proceed to number 11, Atty. Ray.

Na ang mga nabanggit na certifications, accomplishment reports, at liquidation reports na ang kopya ay bahagi ng records ng pagdinig na ito ay tunay at wastong isinagawa ng mga taong may pirma dito.

Sorry, I should have included number 11 as well, Atty. Lindon, right?

Number 12

na ang mga dokumentong ito ay na-identify ng isa pang naunang saksi na si ganoong Atty. Roderick C. Wamil, isang dating auditor. ng Commission on Audit, Intelligence and Confidential Funds Auditing Office at kaya ito ay maaring tanggapin bilang ebidensya

nang

wala ng karagdagang identification, authentication, or presentation nito mula kay Ginuong Fajarda.

Your Honor, subject to the appreciation of this honorable court.

Subject to that qualification, so stipulated, noted.

At panghuli, na

ang

mga nabang...

Your Honor, if I may?

Yes, Attorney Lindon.

We did not stipulate on item 12, Your Honor. Our comment is that the proposal is a conclusion which is based on the appreciation of this honorable court and would be improper for stipulation, Your Honor.

So noted. Court, the presiding officer corrects himself. No stipulation but so noted as to the comment. As to the nature of the proposed stipulation of counsel for the panel of prosecutors.

Thank

you, Your Honor.

And lastly, Your Honor, na ang mga nabanggit na facts, statements, at documents ay nakatala na sa records ng kagalanggalang na impeachment court at ng House Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability, kaya't ang testimonyo ng saksi na si Ginoong Fajarda sa paglilitis na ito ay para lamang makadagdag o makakumpirma sa nasabing sa mga nabanggit or just in the nature to corroborate the cumulative or corroborative value, Your Honor.

Same comment as Proposal No. 12, Your Honor.

Yes, subject to the Court's appreciation, counsel, not objected to but subject to the Court's appreciation, duly noted. Does that mean you are withdrawing already your request for subpoena, Attorney Ray?

If I may be given the chance to confer with the public prosecutors in this regard, we will manifest this afternoon, Your Honor, if we could entirely dispense with the witness already.

Okay.

So after you shall have come to a decision or arrived at a decision, and if you so decide to withdraw the subpoena, only at that time will the court recall the subpoena it issued. We will be deciding that within the day.

Thank you very much, Your Honor. Thank you very much to the distinguished counsel for the respondent.

Thank you, Atty. Ray. Thank you, Atty. Lindon. The Honorable Chua is once again recognized.

Thank you, Your Honor. Your Honor, may we request the counsel for the prosecution, Atty. Mae Divinagracia, be recognized for the presentation of our next witness, Your Honor.

Atty. May is recognized. Who will be your first witness, Atty. May?

Your Honor, we would like to call to the witness stand our Tenth witness in the person of Ms. Marizza Grande. But Your Honor, before we proceed, Your Honor, may I kindly request for the box, Your Honor, for the midget or short person that I am?

Ah, yes. I think it's there, Attorney May. Somewhere.

Attorney Sheila, you will be the one representing the respondent.

Your Honor, I will ask permission to recognize Attorney Justin Nicol B. Gular, Your Honor.

Atty. Justin.

Good morning, Your Honor. Justin Nicol B. Gular, Your Honor, with the court's permission.

You don't need a platform, Atty. Justin.

That would be correct, Your Honor.

Are you ready, Atty. May?

Yes, Your Honor. But before we proceed to the offer of testimony, Your Honor, we would like to request the defense to stipulate on the matter stated. in our request for stipulation that we filed last Wednesday.

We

will go there, counsel. Let's just situate first Ms. Grande to the witness stand. Kindly situate, Ms. Grande. Ms. Marizza Grande.

Kindly sit down. We will swear you in, Ms. Grande, once they are through with their stipulations and once we hear the offer because malay niyo, ma'am, hindi ka na kailangan, di ba?

Atty. May, you may proceed with your proposed stipulations. Do you confirm, Atty., that you received a copy of, Atty. Justin, that you received a copy of the proposed stipulations?

It's Justin, Your Honor.

Ah, Justin.

Yes, I do confirm. The defense does confirm that we received the request for stipulation dated September 2, 2026, Your Honor. And to abbreviate the proceedings, there are stipulations the defense is willing to accept.

Okay. Do you want to go through it one by one? Or are there more stipulations you will accept or reject?

We can

just go straight, Your Honor, to the matters that they are willing to stipulate.

Yes.

Of the 14, of the 15, how

many are you willing to stipulate?

Yes, Your Honor. With the court's permission, if I may be able to identify them, Your Honor. Your Honor, we refer this honorable court to page 1. We are willing to stipulate on items 1, item 2, item 3. and item 4, Your Honor. We would like to refer this honorable court to page 2. We are willing to stipulate on page 5.

Number 5.

Item number 5. Pardon, Your Honor. We are also willing to stipulate on item number 6, 8, 9, and 10, Your Honor. So to be clarified, Your Honor, on the second page, we are not willing to stipulate. The defense is not willing to stipulate on item 7 and item 11, Your Honor.

We would also now like to bring this honorable court's attention to page 3 of the request for stipulation. The defense is not willing to stipulate on item 12, Your Honor.

Not willing?

Yes, Your Honor. But we are willing to stipulate on items 13, 14, and 15, Your Honor.

So, Attorney May, I guess your offer will only cover items 7, 11, and 12. Would that be correct?

Yes, Your Honor.

Among others, Your Honor.

With this stipulation, may we request Your Honor that Ms. Grande be already sworn in.

Yes. Atty. Ray, kindly swear in the witness. Kindly stand up, Ms. Grande.

Please raise your right hand. You, Marizza B. Grande, do swear that the evidence you shall give in the case now pending between the Philippines and Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God.

I do.

Napag-nasabihan na po kayo at napaliwanagan na, Ms. Grande, kaugnay ng paggamit ng anumang listening or hearing device habang kayo po ay tumitistigo at kung abutan po kayo ng lunch break kahit po sa panahon yan. May paliwanag po sa inyo?

Yes po, Your Honor.

At naunawaan niyo po yun yung pinanumpaan?

Yes, I do, Your Honor.

Your Witness, Atty. May.

Your Honor, we are offering the testimony of Ms. Marizza B. Grande to prove the following. Number one, the PSA verified all 2,669 alleged payees of the OVP and DepEd confidential funds for 2022 and 2023, one name at a time. Sa kahilingan ng House Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability, dumaan sa apat na phase ang bawat pangalan. 1,992 mula sa OVP at 677 sa DepEd. Hindi ito pagsulyap sa listahan. Isa-isang paghanap ito sa buong CRS. Number two, 1,685 of the 2,669 alleged payees have no birth record, no marriage record, and no death record at all. 398 sa 677 pangalan ng DepEd at 1,287 sa 1,999 ng OVP. Walang maipakitang Estado na sila ay isinilang, nag-asawa, o namatay kailanman sa Pilipinas. Number 3. At least 152 of the 2,669 had a single matched entry in the CRS. Ibig sabihin, sa humigit kumulang 100 milyong records sa PSA, iisa lamang ang tumugma sa pangalan kaya natukoy ang mismong tao at nailabas ang certified copies ng kanilang civil registry documents. Number 4 At least 37 of those single match names were already dead. 32 mula sa OVP at 5 sa DepEd. Lahat may certificate of death sa CRS. Patay na sila ayon sa talaan ng Republika nang umano'y tanggapin nila ang confidential funds. Number five, at least 25 were children. Dalawampu mula sa OVP at lima sa DepEd. Six hanggang 16 na taong gulang noong 2023. At tatlo sa kanila ay wala pang three years old. In short, 6. Confidential funds were liquidated in the names of the non-existent, the long-dead, and children.

Ang

mga pangalang ito ang nasa recipient lists at acknowledgement receipts ng OVP at DepEd sa 2022 at 2023. Mga taong ayon sa talaan ng PSA, walang record ng pag-iral, matagal ng patay o mga bata noon.

The names and acknowledgement receipts matched the marriage certificates. The signatures did not. Naglabas ang PSA ng certified copies ng kanilang certificate of marriage. Iisa ang pangalan sa dalawang dokumento, ngunit magkaiba ang pirma. At ito ay mahihambing sa harap ng hukumang ito. And number eight, such other matters relevant to the instant impeachment case, particularly Article 1 and confidential funds.

With the court's permission, Your Honor, if I may comment.

Attorney Justine, your comment?

Yes, Your Honor. In particular to Purpose No. 7, Your Honor, we believe the witness is incompetent to testify on such matters, Your Honor. And just a general comment, Your Honor. It is just the observation of the defense that the prosecution has developed a penchant for introducing conclusions of law in their offer. While we understand... An offer of evidence is allowed and discretion is given to the prosecution. We believe, Your Honor, that the addition of explanations from the counsel is unwarranted and shouldn't be made in the offer. Nevertheless, all the purpose is subject to cross, Your Honor, with the court's permission.

Just to quickly respond, Your Honor, we've already repeatedly explained this, Your Honor. There's nothing in the rules that prohibit conclusions of law in the offer. In fact, in a host of cases... particularly Catuira, Your Honor, the Supreme Court already enunciated that the purpose of an offer is precisely to inform the court of the matters that the witness seeks, the testimony of the witness seeks to prove, Your Honor. So, necessarily, Your Honor, it would cover and include conclusions of law and fact.

Duly noted, Duly noted, counsel.

Also, Your Honor, on the comment on number 7, Your Honor, that Allegedly, this witness will be incompetent to testify on this particular matter, Your Honor. Again, also, there's nothing in the rule, Your Honor, that says that each issue shall be proven by the testimony of a single witness. In short, Your Honor, we respectfully submit that the testimony of this witness should be taken in conjunction with other pieces of evidence that the prosecution has already adduced.

Duly noted again, counsel, please proceed. Let's not prolong this. Your witness, Attorney May.

Thank you, Your Honor. Ms. Grande, magandang umaga po.

Good morning, ma'am.

Ms. Grande, kasama sa inyong mga katungkulan bilang Assistant National Statistician ang pagbe-verify ng mga Civil Registry documents. Ngayon, Ms. Grande, paano po ba bine-verify ng PSA ang mga Civil Registry documents?

Ang pag-verify po ng mga requests for civil registry documents ay dumadaan po sa apat na proseso po.

Ano po itong apat na proseso na ito na inyong nabanggit?

Yung una pong phase, ito yung pag-receive ng mga requests coming from different agencies at pag-route po dun sa appropriate office within the PSA, Civil Registration Service. Yung pangalawa po ay pag-verify ng mga Request of CRD civil registry documents gamit yung mga information na i-provide using the CRS database. At pangatlo po yung pag-consolidate ng lahat ng mga Verification results at pag-prepare ng official reply. Yung pang-apat po na phase, ito yung final review and approval ng mga appropriate signatories. In this case po, yung National Statistician and Civil Registrar General at yung pag-transmit sa requesting agency po.

By the way, Ms. Grande, kailan po kayo nagsimulang manungkulan bilang Assistant National Statistician?

Ako po ay na-appoint noong August 30, 2022 ma'am.

Bago po kayo naitalaga bilang Assistant National Statistician, ano po ang inyong trabaho kung meron man?

Ako po ay humawak na ng iba't ibang posisyon na may kinalaman po sa civil registration tsaka vital statistics.

Ano

po itong mga katungkulan na ito?

Sa aking pong pagseserbisyo sa NSO tsaka sa PSA, ako po ay naging Division Chief, Registration Officer 5, Registration Officer 4, Archivist 2, at saka yung mga statistician positions, Stat 1 po and statistician aide.

Ms. Grande, nabanggit niyo po na marami na kayong mga katungkulan na hinawakan pareho sa NSA ngayon ay PSA. So, Ms. Grande, ilang taon na po kayong naninilbihan or nanunungkulan sa NSO now PSA?

I've been in the service for more than 25 years na po.

Ngayon, Ms. Grande, again, isa rin po sa inyong katungkulan ay pag-manage ng mga civil registry documents. Paano naman po minamanage ang mga civil registry documents na ito ng PSA?

Ang PSA po bilang central repository ng lahat ng documents ay merong civil registry system po.

Maaari niyo po bang ipaliwanag sa amin kung ano po itong Civil Registry System?

Ang Civil Registry System po ng PSA ay siya pong nagsisilbi bilang central repository ng lahat ng mga Documents na nareceive namin coming from the local civil registry offices. Kasama na rin po dito yung mga vital events na nire-report ng mga Philippine Foreign Service posts abroad. At saka yung mga Muslim divorces and including yung mga conversions and marriages po sa Sharia.

To be precise, Ms. Grande, ano-ano po itong mga dokumentong ito?

Ang naka-store po sa ating PSACRS database yung mga vital events such as births, marriages, and deaths. Kasama na rin po yung ibang registrable documents affected po ng mga court orders at administrative corrections po.

Okay, Ms. Grande, bukod po sa kinakailangan ito sa ilalim ng batas, bakit po mahalaga na mairehistro ang mga kapanganakan, kasal, at pagkamatay?

Ang pagpaparehistro ng births, marriages, and deaths ay mandatory po under Act 3753. Ito yung the Civil Registry Law. At kinakailangan po ito, number one, primarily as a proof of legal identity. At pangalawa po, ang lahat po ng mga registrable documents ay kailangang ipasa sa PSA at nagsisilbi ang mga certified copies na ini-issue po ng aming tanggapan bilang pagpapatunay at sa pag-transact sa iba't ibang government or private na transactions.

Bangit niyo po na kinakailangan itong mga dokumentong ito sa mga transactions. Ano naman po itong mga transactions na ito?

Karaniwan po sa pag-request ng mga civil registry documents, ang mga purpose po nila ay either ito ay gamit sa pag-enroll, school enrollment, pag-a-apply sa trabaho or passport, at iba pang pag nag-a-apply po sila ng mga valid identification card. at saka iba-iba pang purposes po para sa mga personal na transactions sa gobyerno o kaya sa private po.

Kanina po, Ms. Grande, may inilahad kayo na four-phase process. Ano naman po ang inyong personal na participation dito sa prosesong ito?

Bilang Assistant National Statistician, ako po yung nag-supervise ng Civil Registration Service. Ang lahat po ng requests at gayon din po yung pag- Yung mga draft reply at official na certification at verification results ay dumadaan po sa aking kamay for review.

Ngayon Ms. Grande, paano naman po ine-ensure ng PSA o tinitiyak ng PSA na ang mga resulta ng verification ay accurate or tumpak?

So ang PSA Civil Registration Service po ay mayroong mga standard na procedure sa pagbe-verify ng lahat po ng requests coming from government agencies kasama na dito yung legislative bodies and judiciary at meron po kaming unit na in-charge po dito yung Request Verification and Services Processing Unit or RSVPU. na siya po nagbe-verify batay po sa mga information na binigay as against po dun sa record na sa aming database. At bago po ilabas yung official reply, gayon din po yung mga certifications ay dumadaan po ito sa iba't ibang layer po ng review.

Ms. Grande, nabanggit mo rin kanina na may mga requests na nagmumula sa Legislative Branch. Ngayon Ms. Grande, kung iyong maaalala at kung meron man, ano-ano itong mga requests na natanggap ng PSA mula sa Legislative Branch noong December or noong 2024?

Sometime po in November and December, meron po kaming nareceive na letter request from the Honorable

Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability through its chairperson, Jewel Chua.

Tungkol saan naman po itong mga requests na ito?

Ito po yung request para i-verify kung may civil registry document ang isang Mary Grace Piatos.

At paano naman po kayo pamilyar sa mga requests na ito?

As binanggit ko po kanina, yung mga requests at yung mga official reply ay dumadaan po sa akin sa pagre-review po.

Okay. Ngayon, Ms. Grande, punta tayo dun sa November 2024 request. Ano naman po ang naging resulta ng inyong verification?

Alinsunod dun sa request sa November 2024.

Base po doon sa information na ibinigay at sa aming pong database. Wala pong record ng kapanganakan, walang record ng kasal, at wala rin pong record ng kamatayan ang isang Mary Grace Piatos po.

Ano naman po ang ginawa ng PSA pagkatapos magresulta ng negative ang inyong verification?

Ang aming pong opisina through Undersecretary Claire Dennis Mapa ay... nag-submit po, nag-issue ng letter plus certification dated November 5, 2024 sa Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability through Honorable Chua po.

Your Honor, at this point, may we request for continuing authority to confront the witness with the documents that she would mention, she mentioned and she would mention in the course of this proceedings, Your Honor, and At the same time, a continuing authority to flash on the screen the relevant portions of those documents.

Granted, and insofar as assisting counsel approaching the witness, similar authority is granted to counsel for the panel of prosecutors to also assign assisting counsel to approach the witness.

Thank you, Your Honor.

You may proceed, Counsel.

Now, Ms. Grande, pinapakita namin sa inyo ang isang letter na may petsang November 20... 5-20-24 na may kalakip na certification na may kaparehong petsa. Ano ho ang kaugnayan ng mga dokumentong ito dun sa letter at certification na inyong nabanggit kanina?

Ito po yung binabanggit ko po na reply letter po ng PSA dated November 25, 2024 at ang certification po na in-issue namin.

Your Honor, we respectfully manifest that the witness was shown and has identified the letter and certification both dated November 25, 2024 which our prosecutions exhibits P-I-24-A and P-I-24-A-1 respectively.

Ngayon, Ms. Grande, saan po dito sa certification makikita ang verification results ninyo sa isang nag-angalang Mary Grace Piatos?

Ito po ay makita dun sa certification na nag-iisa pong pahina kung saan naka-indicate po dito yung bawat resulta ng aming verification per type of document.

Nevertheless, Your Honor,

I think these are matters stipulated by the parties already, Your Honor. Particularly in the offer of stipulation, item number 13, Your Honor, we have already stipulated the defense for that matter that the signatures appearing on documents are signatures of the PSA officials whose names appear thereon, Your Honor. Just a humble suggestion, Your Honor. Maybe this can contribute to abbreviate the presentation of attorney May.

Yes,

Your Honor. That's the reason, Your Honor, we already dispensed with the identification of the signatures, Your Honor. But I will be propounding questions relating to this document, Your Honor. That's why this document is being flashed on the screen.

The comment of attorney Justin is noted. You may proceed, counsel.

Ms. Grande, dito sa certification na ito, particularly dyan sa table, may makikitang COLB, Negative Record of Birth in the PSA CRS Database. Ano po ba ang ibig sabihin nito?

Ang ibig pong sabihin nito, base po sa information na Mary Grace Piatos, wala pong record of birth. na nakita sa aming po PSA database.

Kasunod naman po yan, meron ding makikitang COM negative record of marriage in the PSA CRS database. Ano po bang ibig sabihin yan?

Ang ibig sabihin po nito, based po sa CRS database, wala pong record of marriage si Mary Grace Piatos.

At last, meron din pong nakasaad dyan na COD negative record of death in the PSA CRS database. Ano po bang ibig sabihin ito?

Again po, based po sa information sa aming CRS database, wala pong record ng death si Mary Grace Piatos.

Ngayon, Ms. Grande, sa makatwid, batay po sa verification ng PSA, ano pong masasabi ninyo tungkol sa records ni Mary Grace Piatos sa PSA?

Based po sa aming CRS database, wala pong nangangalang Mary Grace Piatos sa aming record.

Ngayon Miss Grande, pumunta naman po tayo dun sa request na sinasabing ninyong natanggap ng PSA noong December 2024. Ano po ba itong mga requests na ito?

Nakatanggap po kami ng another request na may dalawang set ng listahan na pinabe-verify po ng House Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability.

Bali Ms. Grande, ilan pong request ang natanggap ninyo noong December 2024?

Dalawa po itong letter request ma'am, December 5 and December 8.

Sino po? Kanino po nanggaling ang request?

Ito po ay galing sa Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability through its Chairperson, Honorable [unclear] po.

Your Honor, for the record, the letters referred to by the witness is prosecutions. Exhibit P or our prosecution's exhibits P-I-24-B and P-I-24-D respectively.

Ngayon Ms. Grande, tungkol saan naman po ang mga requests na inyong natanggap?

Ang request po ay para i-verify ang existence ng mga civil registry documents ng listahan. Yung una po, ito po yung 677 na DepEd Payees po.

Ano naman po yung pangalawang listahan na inyong nabanggit? Sabi niyo po kanina may dalawang listahan nakalakip dun sa dalawang requests, letter requests na inyong natanggap.

Yung isa po ay para naman po i-verify yung mga existence ng civil registry documents ng OVP list of payees na nasa 1,992.

Ano naman po ang ginawa ng PSA matapos matanggap ang dalawang letter requests na may kalakip na dalawang listahan na inyong nabanggit?

Following po nung standard procedure po namin, gamit ang mga information na ibinigay, ito po ay vinerify as against dun sa records po sa aming PSA database po.

Miss Grande, kapag sinasabi po ninyong binerify, Ano po mismo ang ginagawa ng PSA?

Based po dun sa listahan na binigay ng mga pangalan, isa-isa namin po hinanap ito sa aming database. Gamit yun sa birth records at saka yung marriage at saka yung death records po.

Bakit po ba importante na isama sa pag-check ninyo or pag-verify ang marriage records?

Una po, meron din po kasing mga information na nagbabago na yung mga surname. Halimbawa kung married na, so tinignan din po namin po ito. At saka yung mga nagpapakasal para matrace din po kung may existence ng civil registry records.

At bakit nyo naman po sinama sa inyong pag-verify ang mga death records?

Aside from the fact na hiningi po ito ng committee, gusto rin po natin makita na may kopya ng death certificate. Kung maaari dahil meron din pong mga hindi nakarehistro na birth certificate pero may kopya ng death certificate.

Ano naman pong naging resulta ng verification ng PSA?

Based po dun sa mga certification na in-issue po namin dated December 9 and dated December 11, if I may request po your honor na... to check doon sa summary tables which we prepared to be able to share with you the accurate information nung tabulation na ginawa namin sa verification po.

You

may

refer

to the document, Ms. Grande.

I made the summary table, Your Honor, nung lahat po ng results nung mga verification po namin.

You may refer to that table, counsel. Attorney Grande, rather. Rather, Ms. Grande.

Assisting counsel may approach at any time.

Your Honor, we will also be requesting the marking of Ms. Grande's summary as Prosecutions Exhibit P-I-24-H.

This has not yet been previously marked, Atty. May.

Not yet, Your Honor.

Do you have a copy, Atty. May?

Yes, Your Honor. Sorry, the copy is with the witness, Your Honor, Ms. Grande.

Madami ba yan, Ms. Grande?

Actually sir, your honor, the summary table contains three pages but the actual information are also printed for reference.

Yes,

I saw that. So three pages.

Your honor.

Yes, attorney Justin.

Yes, your honor. The defense would just like to put on the record that we do not have copies of the summaries that is being

testified upon or produced by the witness for today, Your Honor.

Neither do we, counsel. Kindly furnish us with a copy, Attorney May, later on, during the break, perhaps, during the lunch recess.

We will do that, Your Honor.

Thank you, Your Honor. Also, counsel, for the respondent, Attorney May. Please proceed.

Based po dun sa verifications po namin, dun sa 677 na listahan ng [unclear], out of the 677 po, nakita namin na 398 po dito ay walang record ng kapanganakan, walang record ng kasal or kamatayan.

Ano pa po ang naging resulta kung meron man? O ano pa po ba ang ibang inininyong nahanap dun sa inyong verification kung meron man?

Doon naman po sa Certificate of Live Birth, 405 po dito ay walang record of birth, 443 ay walang record of marriage, at 507 po ay walang death records.

Pagkatapos po ng inyong verification, ano naman po ang opisyal na hakbang na ginawa ng PSA kung meron man?

The PSA po, through the Undersecretary Claire Dennis Mapa, ay nagpadala po ng letter and certification that reflects all the results of our verification to the Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability po. Dated December 8, 2024.

Your

Honor, for the record. The documents identified by the witness, particularly the letter dated December 8, 2024, and certification dated December 8, 2024, are prosecutions exhibits P-I-24-C and P-I-24-C-1.

Ms. Grande, kabilang po dito sa 677 supposed payees, Nakalista sa certification na ito na may petsang December 8, 2024, makikita ang pangalang Jason Ramos sa page 56. Ano po ang resulta ng verification para sa pangalang ito?

Based po sa verification sa CRS database po, si Jason Ramos ay... Meron pong 907 na most likely match records of births in the PSA database. At meron din po siyang 305 most likely match records of marriage and 53 most likely match records of death in the PSA database.

[unclear], simple terms, ano po ang ibig sabihin kapag ang isang pangalan ay maraming most likely match records?

based po sa verification sa database, meron pong tumutugma sa ganyang pangalan na dalawa or higit pa sa aming database.

At ano naman pong significance niyan relative to that particular name? In this case, the name Jason Ramos.

Ang ibig pong sabihin, ang pangalan na Jason Ramos ay common name na nagre-resulta sa Maraming several records sa aming database na ibig sabihin pwedeng is two or more na persons po.

Tingnan naman po natin ang pangalang Abigail Deomampo na makikita rin sa certification na inyong in-identify.

Based po sa result ng aming verification po, si Abigail Deomampo ay may isang Most likely match record po na nasa CRS database.

In simple terms naman, Ms. Grande, ano po ang ibig sabihin kapag iisa lamang ang most likely match record para sa isang pangalan?

Ibig pong sabihin, out of the 143 million na birth records po na nasa database, meron po nag-iisang record pertaining to Abigail Deomampo sa CRS database po.

Ano naman pong kahalagahan yan? In relation to that particular name, in this case, Abigail Deomampo.

Ibig sabihin po ay nag-iisa na record ang nasa CRS database. Kumbaga ito po ay unique record po or single match na nasa database.

Sinabi niyo po, nabanggit niyo po yung single match or single match and single match. Ano naman pong ibig sabihin yan?

Ang single match entry, as I've mentioned po, ay unique record na may exact na information such as that, yung example si Abigail Deomampo. So, nag-iisang Abigail Deomampo na birth record ang nag-i-exist sa CRS database po.

Maliban po sa single match entry, ano pa po ba ang ibang pwedeng maging resulta kung meron man ng inyong verification?

[unclear] po yung pwedeng results ng aming verification. So aside from the single match na binanggit ko po, yung multiple matches na yung kagaya po kanina. And the other one po yung no record o yung tinatawag namin na negative record sa database, which means wala pong nage-exist na record sa aming pong database.

Ngayon, Ms. Grande, pumunta naman po tayo dun sa nabanggit niyong second list na kalakip nung letters na natanggap ninyo nung December.

Ano naman po ang naging resulta ng verification niyo?

So following our standard procedure po ay nagpadala po ang PSA ng letter dated December 11 at Kasama po dito yung mga certifications na results ng aming verification. And ito po yung summary ng mga aming verification. Out of the 1,992 na listahan ng OVP list of payees, ay nakita natin na 1,287 po ang walang record of birth, walang record of marriage or death na nasa database po.

Ano pa po ba ang ibang naging resulta ng inyong pagkahanap or verification kung mayroon man?

Out of the 1,992 po, 1,322 ang wala pong record ng birth, 1,456 naman po ang walang record of marriage, at 1,593 po ang walang record of death po.

Kanina po, Ms. Grande, nabanggit nyo rin at pinalawanag ninyo na ang verification ay maaaring magresulta either in a multiple matched entry, single matched entry, or no record entry. Doon po sa inyong pag-verify or base sa mga requests na inyong natanggap, ilang single matched entry po ang inyong vinerify?

Based po dun sa na-receive namin na request, nasa 152 po yung aming [unclear] na single match entry.

Okay. Ngayon po, ano naman po yung naging official na action ng PSA matapos makumpleto ang verification?

So, pagkatapos po ng verification, kami po ay nagpadala ng letter request sa committee.

But before that po ay ni-review namin yung mga results as I've mentioned a while ago. Part of the review is pinagbasihan dun sa mga RSVPU na log sheet versus the certification and further re-verification conducted po sa CRS database for some names na medyo unusual po siya.

Okay, kanina may nabanggit kang certification. or certifications, nalawang certification na nag-reflect or nagpapakita ng mga resulta ng inyong verification sa mga supposed DepEd and OVP payees. Ngayon, in the process of your verification, ikaw po personally, ano pang hakbang ang inyong ginawa kung mayroon man?

As I've mentioned po, ako po ay nag-re-verify some of the names listed which I find na unusual doon po sa mga certifications po.

Bakit niyo po nasabi na unusual yung mga pangalan na inyong re-verify?

Nag-run through lang po ako doon sa mga listahan and I find it unusual because unique po yung mga names po na ito and conducted a re-verification using the database po.

Ano po ba itong mga pangalan na nabanggit nyo? You found unusual.

Yung naalala ko po dito, yung pangalan nila Arthur Baon, Beverly Claire Pampano. So yung mga pangalan po na yun, [unclear], si Charles Sampaloc Jr., ilan lang po sa mga pangalan na tinignan po. Kasama din po dito yung kay Maxine Callos.

Ngayon, Ms. Grande, may I invite your attention to the screen. May papakita ko sa inyong iba't ibang mga pangalan. Ang una ay ang pangalang Arthur Baon. Ano po ang kinalaman nitong Arthur Bao na ito sa mga pangalang sinabi ninyo kanina na sa tingin nyo ay unusual?

Isa po siya sa benerify namin at based po sa CRS database, wala pong kopya ng birth, marriage, or death certificate.

Ngayon, punta naman tayo sa susunod na pangalan. I request the tech booth. Ngayon, pinapakita ko sa inyong pangalang Ralph Josh. Bacon, ano naman po ang kinalaman nitong pangalan na ito dun sa mga pangalang binanggit ninyo kanina that you found unusual?

Kasama din po siya sa benerify po namin under [unclear] at wala rin po siyang record ng birth marriage or death certificate po.

Susunod, pinapakita ko naman sa inyo ang pangalang Beverly Claire Pampano. Ano rin po ba ang kinalaman nitong pangalan na ito dun sa mga pangalang binanggit ninyo kanina?

Kasama rin po sila sa Bineripay ko na pangalan na under po sa OVP list at wala pong record ng birth, marriage, and death certificate po.

Punta naman po tayo sa pangalang Mathew N. Keso. Ano rin po ba ang kinalaman nito dun sa mga pangalang nabanggit ninyo kanina?

Kasama rin po dun sa verification at nag-resulta po siya ng no record of birth, no record of marriage, at no record of death.

Ang susunod naman po ay ang pangalang Maxine Callos. Ano rin po ba ang kinalaman nitong pangalan nito dun sa mga pangalang binanggit ninyo kanina?

Kasama din po siya sa OVP list of payees at nagdisulta po ng verification na walang record of birth, walang record of marriage, at walang record of death.

Susunod ay ang pangalang Charles Sampaloc Jr. Ano rin po ba ang kinalaman nito? Pangalang ito, dun sa mga pangalang na mention nyo kanina.

Isa rin po yan sa benerify ko na wala pong record of birth. No record of marriage at no record of death po.

Saan po makikita yung mga verification results na binabanggit ninyo?

Ito pong mga pangalan po na ito ay nasa listahan po ng OVP list doon sa 1,992 po.

Maliban po doon sa mga pangalang nabanggit ninyo na, ano pa po ba kung meron man ang ibang pangalang nakakuha ng inyong attention for being unusual?

Ang nare-recall ko po yung dalawang...

Xiaome Ocho, and Dan Rick Otso.

Let me again invite your attention to the screen. Pinapakita ko sa inyo ang pangalang Xiaome Ocho. Ano po ba ang kinalaman nitong pangalan na ito sa mga pangalang binanggit, dun sa dalawang pangalang binanggit ninyo?

Kasama po siya sa listahan ng OVP Payees po na walang record of birth, no record of marriage, at no record of death po.

Susunod ay ang pangalang Dan Rick Otso. Ano rin po ba ang kinalaman ng pangalang ito dun sa dalawang pangalang nabanggit ninyo?

Kasama din po ito sa binerify ko na wala pong record of birth, no record of marriage, at no record of death po.

Okay. Ms. Grande, maliban dyan sa mga pangalang inyong nabanggit na ano pa kung meron man ang mga pangalan na nakakuha ng inyong pansin o nakaagaw ng inyong pansin bilang unusual?

Ang nare-recall ko po yung tatlong pangalan, yung Toman Panda, Timon Angelo Pusa, at saka yung Tina Maching.

Okay, ngayon pinapakita ko ulit sa inyo sa screen. Kung maaari nyo lang pong tingnan ang screen, ang pangalang Toman Panda. Ano po bang kinalaman ang pangalang ito sa mga pangalang binanggit nyo, kakabanggit nyo lang?

Kasama din po siya sa binerify na walang record of birth, no record of marriage, and no record of death.

Susunod po ang pangalang Timon Angelo Pusa. Ano naman pong kinalaman nito sa mga pangalang kakabanggit nyo lang?

Isa rin po yan sa binerify namin na walang birth, walang marriage at walang death certificate po.

At last ay ang pangalang Tina Maching. Ano po ba ang kinalaman nitong pangalan nito sa mga pangalang binanggit ninyo?

Kasama din po siya dun sa binerify namin sa listahan na wala pong record ng birth, marriage, at death certificate.

Ngayon, Ms. Grande, matapos ang naunang verification ng PSA sa mga pangalang lumabas sa DEPED at OVP list of supposed payees, ano pa po ba ang ibang request na natanggap ng PSA kung meron man mula sa House of Representatives?

Nag-send po ang House of Representatives ng isa pa pong letter addressed to our Undersecretary Claire Dennis Mapa noong June 25, 2026 po.

Tungkol saan naman po itong letter request na ito?

Ang letter po na ito ay mula sa chairperson ng lead public prosecutor. Ang nire-request po niya na i-re-verify. yung mga previously civil registry documents na may single match entry doon po sa na-verify po namin at mag-issue ng certified copies ng mga civil registry documents.

Paano po kayo pamilyar dito sa dokumentong ito?

Again po, as Assistant National Statistician, I supervise po yung RSVPU and yung mga requests including yung mga certifications and the official reply po ay dumaan po sa akin for review po.

Ngayon, Ms. Grande, ipinapakita namin sa inyo ang isang letter dated June 25, 2026. Ano po ba ang kaugnayan nitong letter na ito dun sa letter na inyong nabanggit?

Ito po yung binabanggit ko po na letter, ma'am.

Your Honor, for the record, the witness just identified Prosecutions Exhibit P-I-24-G-5.

Following po yung standard procedure po namin, kami po ay nag-re-verify nung mga nasa listahan na single match entry as provided po doon sa annexes po. And we issued certified copies ng mga corresponding na civil registry documents generated from the system po.

Sorry, Your Honor. Can I just have a minute to confer with my co-counsel?

You may do so, counsel.

Kanina na, banggit niyo po na nag-issue kayo. ng certified true copies of documents bilang response dun sa letter request. Maliban po dun sa mga certified true copies, ano po ba ang in-issue pa ng PSA kung mayroon man?

Kasama po dito yung resulta nung verification ng single match entry na mga marriage certificate po.

Saan po nakapaloob itong resulta? Ang verification ng single match entry.

Ang PSA po through Undersecretary Mapa ay nagawa ng official reply dated June 26, 2026 kasama po yung mga listahan ng verification ng mga results po namin and some omnibus certifications po.

Ngayon, Ms. Grande, pinapakita namin sa inyo. Ang isang letter na may petsang June 26, 2026 at may naka-attach na list of recipients with available civil registry documents at mga certified true copies ng iba-iba ang mga dokumento. Ano po ang kinalaman o kaugnayan nitong mga dokumentong ito doon sa nabanggit ninyong letter, omnibus certification at certified copies of documents?

Ito po yung official reply po ng PSA kasama yung mga list of recipients at yung mga omnibus certifications. Ito naman po yung mga...

For the record, Your Honor, the witness just identified prosecution's exhibit P-I-24-G, P-I-24-G-1, P-I-24-G-3, P-I-24-G-2, And P-I-24-G-4. Miss Grande, dun po sa letter at certification or letter at list of recipients with available civil registry documents na inyong in-identify kanina, meron din pong nakalakip na iba't ibang certified true copies. Ano pong kinalaman itong mga certified true copies na ito sa mga certified true copies na binanggit ninyo kanina?

Ito po mga certified copies po, ito yung mga generate po na results ng aming verification based dun po sa single match entry na nirequest po ng committee po.

Your Honor, for the record, the witnesses identified prosecutions exhibits P-I-24-G-1-OVP to P-I-24-G-137-OVP. and P-I-24-G-1-DE, P-I-24-G-61-DE.

Noted.

Again, Ms. Grande, I am inviting your attention to the screen. Pinapakita ko sa inyo ang pangalang Adonis Mascarinas. Ano po ba ang kinalaman or nakaugnayan nitong pangalang Adonis Mascarinas? Doon sa mga pangalang ni-re-verify ninyo pursuant to the June 2026 request.

Si Adonis Mascarinas ay isa po sa listahan na may single match entry under the OBP list po at meron po kaming in-issue na marriage certificate po.

Ang sunod ay pinapakita ko sa inyo ang pangalang Anselmo Sta. Cruz. Ano rin po bang? Ikaugnayan ng pangalang ito dun sa mga nire-verify ninyo in relation to the June 25, 2026 request.

Kasama din po si Anselmo Sta. Cruz sa may available na marriage certificate na in-issue po ng PSA under the OVP list na listahan po.

Sunod, pinapakita ko sa inyo ang pangalang Joel Mataflorida. Ano rin po ba ang kaugnayan nitong pangalang ito sa mga pangalang nire-verify ninyo pursuant to the June 25, 2026 request?

Kasama po si Joel Mataflorida doon po sa listahan ng DepEd na meron pong kopya din ng marriage certificate.

Sunod, pinapakita ko rin sa inyo ang pangalang Paulo Fernan. Ano rin po ba ang kinalaman ng pangalang ito dun sa mga pangalang nire-verify ninyo?

Kasama din po siya sa listahan ng DepEd list na may kopya na na-generate sa CRS database na marriage certificate po.

At panghuli? Pinapakita ko sa inyo ang pangalang Ramil Dabon. Ano po bang kinalaman itong pangalang ito dun sa mga pangalang nire-verify ninyo in relation to the June 25, 2026 request?

Si Ramil Dabon po ay kasama din po sa listahan ng DepEd at meron po siyang kopya ng marriage certificate na in-issue ng PSA.

Okay. Your Honor, for the record, the witness just identified prosecutions exhibits P-I-24-G-2-OVP P-I-24-G-13-OVP P-I-24-G-24-DE P-I-24-G-45-DE P-I-24-G-47-DE

Bukod po sa mga nabanggit na ninyong request, ano pa po bang ibang request ang natanggap ng PSA mula sa House of Representatives?

Meron din pong letter addressed to our Undersecretary Mapa dated June 15, 2026, again from the House Committee on Justice through its lead prosecutor, Public Prosecutor, Honorable Gerville Luistro po.

Tungkol saan naman po ang request na ito?

Yung letter po na ito ay nagre-request para i-verify ng PSA yung mga single match, actually re-verify din po, re-verify the single match entries na may mga kopya ng birth, marriage, and or death certificate po.

At paano din po ulit kayo naging pamilyar dito sa letter na ito?

Again po as ANS po, Assistant National Statistician, dumaan po yun sa akin for review yung mga requests including yung mga official reply and certifications as part of my duties po.

Now, Ms. Grande, pinapakita po namin ulit sa inyo ang isang letter dated June 15, 2026.

Ano po bang kinalaman ng letter na ito dun sa letter request na nabanggit ninyo?

Ito po yung letter na sinabi ko nga.

Your Honor, the witness, Ms. Grande, just identified prosecution's exhibit P-I-24-F-1. Ngayon, Ms. Grande, ano naman pong naging tugon ng PSA dito sa letter request na ito?

Kami po ay nag-re-verify sa database based po dun sa mga binigay na single match na listahan at Ang aming Undersecretary Mapa ay nagpadala ng reply, sulat, dated June 19 kasama po yung listahan ng mga results ng aming verification and certified copies po ng mga documents.

Ano naman po ang naging resulta ng inyong re-verification?

Based po dito sa re-verification namin ng single match entry, nakita po namin na Doon sa mga pangalan under the OVP ay meron pong mga talaan kung saan may records na po ng mga kamatayan or death certificates po. At 32 po ay nakita namin na mga official death certificates sa mga pangalan po na yun.

Okay. Ano pa po ba ang naging ibang resulta kung mayroon man? Nabanggit ninyo ang resulta relative to the OVP list.

Yung isang listahan po na pertaining po doon sa DepEd list naman, meron pong lima na official na death certificate na nakita po namin sa CRS database.

Miss

Grande, nabanggit ninyo na based on your re-verification, 32 sa mga pangalan sa OVP list of recipients at 5 naman sa mga pangalan. DepEd list of recipients ay may kaukulang certificate of death. Ano po ibig sabihin ito?

Ang ibig pong sabihin ito ma'am, doon sa mga may single match entry na binerify po namin, 37 po ang nasa talaan na may official na pong record ng kamatayan or death certificate sa PSA database.

At nabanggit niyo rin kanina na bilang tugon dun sa request, letter request, nagpadala kayo ng letter Sa House of Representatives na may kasamang table of verification results pati ng certified true copies.

Tama po ma'am. So ang Undersecretary Mapa po nag-issue ng letter dated June 19, 2026 kasama po yung mga table of verification list na listahan at yung mga certified copies ng mga civil registry documents.

Punta muna po tayo sa letter. May pinapakita po kami. Letter sa inyo na may petsang June 19, 2026. Ano po ba ang kinalaman ng letter na ito dun sa letter na binanggit ninyo naging tugon ng PSA sa request ng House of Representatives?

Ito po yung letter na binabanggit ko po, ma'am.

You

honor the witness, Ms. Grande, just identified, Prosecutions Exhibit P-I-24-F.

May na-mention din po kayo na table of verification results. Pinapakita ko po sa inyo ang

isang table of verification results. Ano po bang kinalaman nito dun sa table of verification results na sinabi ninyo kalakip ng letter na pinadala ninyo sa House of Representatives.

Ito po yung results po ng aming verification na may single match entries both dun po sa OVP list at saka yung sa DepEd na payees po.

At may pinapakita din po kaming certified true copies ng mga documents. Ano rin po ba ang kinalaman o kaugnayan ng mga certified true copies na ito dun sa certified true copies na nabanggit ninyo kanina?

Ito po yung mga certified copies in security paper na in-issue po ng PSA based po sa results ng verification namin ng mga single match entry na ni-request po ng committee po.

Okay, Ms. Grande, paano po ba na-generate itong certified true copies na ito?

Dine-generate po ito based dun sa official records na naka-store po sa aming PSA database po.

At ano naman pong kaugnayan nitong certified true copies na ito at nung table of verification results na in-identify ninyo kanina?

Ito pong mga certified copies ng civil registry documents ay nagsusupport po doon sa result verification list na nasa table po.

Okay. Your Honor, for the record, for the Certified true copies that the witness just identified. These are prosecutions exhibits P-I-24-F-1-OVP to P-I-24-F-63-OVP and P-I-24-F-1-DE to P-I-24-F-14-DE.

Your Honor, with the indulgence of the counsel for Prosecution.

Attorney Justin,

may we just be able to request for copies of these documents, Your Honor? The defense do not have copies of these documents.

Kindly furnish after this afternoon's trial, kindly furnish the defense with a copy. If you have similarly marked documents, kindly furnish the prosecution as well.

Your Honor, if I may be clarified, these are not The common exhibits, Your Honor.

These are not common exhibits.

And further, Your Honor, may we request copies of these documents and the letters, Your Honor, those identified since, of course, we will need to inspect these for cross-examination, Your Honor.

Of course. Counsel, kindly furnish them with a copy if you haven't yet.

Thank you so much, Your Honor.

These are the letters written by PSA, right?

Yes, Your Honor.

Ms. Grande?

Yes, sir.

Your Honor, to be specific, Your Honor. We're just referring to those issued by the lead prosecutor in 2026, Your Honor.

The letter requests?

Yes. And the corresponding reply of the PSA, Your Honor. We already have copies of those in relation to 2024, Your Honor.

Okay. Kindly do so, Attorney Mae.

Yes, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor.

Kindly proceed, Attorney Mae.

Okay. Again, Ms. Grande, may I invite your attention to the screen?

May papakita po muli. Ako sa inyo, mga pangalan. Simulan po natin sa pangalang Fortunato Salig.

Ano po ba ang kinalaman nitong Fortunato Salig na ito doon sa mga nire-verify ng PSA?

Si Fortunato Salig po ay isa sa na-verify namin na may single match entry at nakita namin sa talaan sa civil registry na siya po ay may death certificate at patay na.

Pinapakita ko rin sa inyo ang certificate of death pertaining to one Fortunato Salig.

Ano naman pong impormasyon hinggil sa araw ng pagkamatay ni Fortunato Salig ang lumalabas sa certificate na iyan?

Based po sa death certificate ni Fortunato Salig, siya ay namatay noong June 29, 2011 po.

At base rin po sa death certificate, Ano po ba ang cause ng pagkamatay ni Fortunato Salig?

Ayon po sa kanyang death certificate, ang cause of death ay uncal herniation, antecedent cause, cerebrovascular disease, probably hemorrhagic.

Ang other causes po dito ay community acquired pneumonia.

Punta naman po tayo sa pangalang Emilio Sagan.

Ano naman pong naging resulta or ano pong kinalaman itong pangalan na ito sa mga pangalang ni-reverify ng PSA?

Si Emilio Sagan ay isa rin po dun sa nakita namin na single match entry at based po sa CRS database, siya po ay patay na sa pamamagitan po ng death certificate po na ito.

Ngayon, pinapakita rin po namin sa inyo ang certificate of death ng isang Emilio Sagan. Dito po sa death certificate na ito, Ano po bang impormasyon hinggil sa araw ng pagkamatay ng Emilio Sagan na yan ang lumalabas sa Certificate of Death?

Based po sa kanyang death certificate, si Emilio Sagan ay namatay po noong July 28, 2015.

At ano naman ang naging sanhi ng kanyang pagkamatay?

Sa medical certificate po niya, ang kamatayan ay dahil sa cardiopulmonary arrest, secondary to aspiration,

secondary to massive hemoptysis, secondary to pneumonia po.

Ngayon punta naman po tayo sa pangalang Rodolfo P. Traya.

Ano rin po ba ang kinalaman o kaugnayan nitong Rodolfo P. Traya na ito sa mga pangalang nire-verify ng PSA?

Kasama din po siya sa binerify namin na may kopya ng death certificate.

Pinapakita rin po namin sa inyo ang certificate of death ng isang Rodolfo Traya. Ano pong impormasyon hinggil sa araw ng kanyang pagkamatay ang makikita o lumalabas sa death certificate?

Based po sa death certificate, si Rodolfo Traya ay namatay po noong May 4, 2021.

Your Honor, for the record, the death certificates identified by the witness are Prosecutions Exhibits P-I-24-F-26-OVP. P-I-24-F-20-OVP and P-I-24-F-58-OVP respectively.

Noted. With the indulgence of counsel, Ms. Grande, sabi mo si Rodolfo Traya ay namatay?

Yes.

Tama ba?

Yes po, Your Honor. Based dito sa death certificate.

Hindi ba dapat ang sinasabi mo, mayroong Rodolfo Traya na namatay?

Yes, sir. Sorry po.

Dahil hindi mo naman alam kung siya talaga yun eh. Pero base sa talaan niyo, may ganung pangalan na namatay, pinanganak, o kinasal, pero hindi niyo alam kung siya din yun o hindi na nakalagay dun sa acknowledgement receipt o dun sa pinagbasihan ng pangalan.

Your Honor, based po dun sa death certificate, may Rodolfo Traya na namatay.

Merong Rodolfo Traya, pero hindi si Rodolfo Traya. Thank you. Counsel, you may proceed.

Kanina, just a clarification, Ms. Grande. Kanina, sinabi ninyo na yung verification ay maaaring mag-resulta into either a single matched entry, multiple matched entry, and no record entry. Dito po sa kay...

Rodolfo Traya. Ano po yung naging resulta ng verification ninyo dun sa tatlo?

Si Rodolfo Traya ay may single match na document po ng death certificate.

Base rin po dun sa mga certificates of death or sa certificate of death ni Emilio Sagan na inyong in-identify kanina. Ilang taong patay na po ba si Emilio Sagan noong taong 2022?

Based po dun sa death certificate po siya, nung 2022 siya ay 7 years old.

Ilang

taon po

na po siyang patay?

7 years.

Punta naman po tayo.

Ms. Grande, 7 years old siya nung namatay o 7 taon nang patay?

7 years nang namatay noong 2022.

Proceed, Attorney Mae.

Anong edad ni...

Emilio Sagan nung namatay siya ng 2022.

Siya po ay 49 years old po.

49 years.

Punta naman tayo sa Certificate of Death ni Fortunato Salig. Batay po dyan sa Certificate of Death na yan. Ilang taon ang patay si Fortunato Salig noong 2022?

11 years po noong 2022.

Miss Grande, maliban sa mga binanggit nating pangalan, Ilan pa basis sa certification or sa verification niyo ang nahanap na single matched entry na may death certificate?

Meron pa po balit 34 na may death certificate po.

Ngayon, Ms. Grande, sinabi mo na nag-request ng re-verification ng mga single matched entries ang House of Representatives noong June 25, 2026. Matapos makumpleto ang re-verification na ito, Ano pa ang naging mga resulta kung mayroon man?

Based po dun sa June 26 na verification po namin nakita rin namin that as per record meron pong 20 na menor de edad doon po sa OVP list at doon naman po sa DepEd list based on record po meron pong 5 na menor de edad based sa kanilang mga birth certificates po.

Ano naman pong ginawa ng PSA matapos itong re-verification na ito?

Following po yung standard protocol po, kami ay nagpadala ng sulat at ng official ng mga certifications at certified copies ng mga documents sa Committee on Justice through the Public Prosecutor Team po.

By the way, Ms. Grande, let's just backtrack a bit. Medyo...

Naka-ago pansin lang sa akin yung mga sinabi mo, mga taong namatay na. Sa pagkakawari mo, Ms. Grande, ano po kayo mga informasyon ang maibigay nitong mga patay ng tao na ito noong 2022?

Objection, Your Honor. Speculative, Your Honor.

Sustained. Move on, counsel.

Balik po ulit tayo dun sa request ng inyong verification.

Ano po ang ginawa nitong PSA? Matapos i-conduct yung re-verification na nagresulta sa pagkakahanap ninyo ng mga minors base sa talaan na ibinigay ng House of Representatives.

So kagaya po nung binanggit ko following yung standard verification, nag-issue po kami ng letter and yung listahan ng mga verified results ng aming verification at gayon din po yung mga certified copies ng mga civil registry documents based po doon sa resulta ng aming verification.

Your Honor, just for the record, this letter list of Names and certified copies of civil registry documents were already identified by the witness earlier. These are prosecution's exhibits P-I-24-G, P-I-24-G-1, P-I-24-G-3, P-I-24-G-2, P-I-24-G-4, T-I-24-G-1-OVP to P-I-24-G-65-OVP and P-I-24-G-1-DE to P-I-24-G-61-GE. Ngayon, Ms. Grande,

Noted, Ms. Mae.

Thank you your honor. May I again invite your attention

To the screen. May pinapakita po ulit ako sa inyo mga pangalan. Magsimula po tayo sa pangalang Miko Alquizar. Ano po bang kinalaman nitong pangalan na ito dun sa mga pangalang nire-verify ninyo pursuant to the June 25, 2026 letter request na nagmula sa House of Representatives.

Kasama din po siya sa binerify po namin ng single match entry po. Si Miko Alquizar at meron po siyang kopya ng birth certificate.

At base po sa birth certificate nitong Miko Alquizar, ano po ang kanyang kalagayan nung ginawa ninyo ang verification?

Or let me rephrase the question, Your Honor. Base sa certificate or sa death certificate nitong si Miko Alquizar, sorry, birth certificate ni Miko Alquizar, Ilang taon na siya?

Si Miko

Alquizar po

ay pinanganak noong June 11, 2022.

So ilang taon na po siya noong 2022?

Isang taon po.

Punta naman po tayo sa pangalang Beatrice Cuenca. Ano rin po ba ang kinalaman nitong pangalan na ito dun sa mga pangalang nire-verify ninyo? in relation to the June 25, 2026 request.

Kasama rin po siya sa listahan na binerify namin under the OVP list at meron po siyang kopya ng birth certificate.

Base po sa kanyang birth certificate, ano ang kanyang araw ng kapanganakan?

Si

Beatrice Cuenca po ay pinanganak noong January 7, 2022.

January 7, 2022. Kung gayon, Ms. Grande, ilang taon na itong Beatrice Cuenca noong 2023?

Mga one-year-old pa siguro siya.

One-year-old? Sa pagkawari mo, Ms. Grande, ano kayang impormasyon ang maibibigay nitong one-year-old na si Beatrice Cuenca sa OVP or sa DepEd?

Your Honor, speculative.

If she knows, counsel, and the Chair will follow up with the question in a bit.

Thank you, Your Honor.

Miss Grande, would you know?

Well, one year old po, Your Honor, so...

Then, I have to ask then, you're basing your testimony, Miss Grande, on your records, yung certificate of live birth, not on the acknowledgement receipt.

Yes, Your Honor.

So, you're testifying na merong pangalan na... Sorry, Miss May, Attorney

May, what's your first name?

Beatrice Cuenca.

So, tumetestigo po kayo na base sa talaan ninyo, sa CRS ninyo, meron pong Beatrice Cuenca na pinanganak ng 2022 na one-year-old.

Your Honor, yes po. Base lang po ako sa record, Your Honor, so I cannot speculate.

Would you know if it's the same Beatrice Cuenca that signed that document? Would you be in a position to answer?

No, sir.

No, rightfully so, ma'am, because you're with the PSA. Please proceed, Attorney Mae.

Again, just a clarification, Ms. Grande. Ano po ang naging resulta? Sinabi niyo kanina, yung verification may result into either single match entry, multiple match entry, and no record entry. Dito po kay Beatrice Cuenca, ano pong naging resulta ng inyong verification?

Beatrice Cuenca po ay single match entry at meron po siyang kopya ng birth certificate. May record po ang Beatrice Cuenca na siya po ay minor pa.

Punta naman po tayo sa pangalang Mikay de los Reyes. Ano rin po bang kinalaman itong Mikay de los Reyes na ito doon sa mga pangalang ni-re-verify ninyo in relation to the June? 25-2026 request.

Kasama din po sa pangalan na Mikay de los Reyes. Na-verify namin under the OVP list na may kopya ng birth record as per the PSA po.

At base rin po dyan sa kanyang certificate of death, ilang taon na po ba si Mikay de los Reyes? Or base sa kanyang birth certificate, ano po ba ang araw ng kapanganakan ni Mikay de los Reyes?

January 13, 2020.

Kung gayon, dahil pinanganak siya ng January 13, 2020, ilang taon na po ba itong si Mikay de los Reyes noong 2023?

Three years old.

Ano naman po ang confidential information kaya na maibibigay ng isang three-year-old na si Mikay de los Reyes noong 2023?

Same objection, Your Honor.

I would have to sustain, counsel.

Thank you, Your Honor. Your Honor, the witness just identified Prosecutions Exhibit P. Exhibits P-I-24-G-66-OVP, P-I-24-G-67-OVP, P-I-24-G-22-OVP, respectively.

Ms. Grande.

Noted. You'll wind up before lunch, right?

Yes, Your Honor.

Because you're about to finish, I presume, Attorney Mae.

Yes, Your Honor.

Ms.

Grande, base po. Doon sa inyong verification ng mga minor de edad, sino po ang pinakabata noong 2023?

Doon po sa records na binerify namin, ang pinakabata ay si Marlin Sunga.

At base po doon sa inyong verification, ilang taon po itong si Marlin Sunga in 2023?

Based po kasi sa death certificate po niya, two months pa lang ay namatay na po siya.

Two months? Ano naman po kayang confidential information na mabibigay nitong Marlin Sunga?

Objection, Your Honor. The same ground, Your Honor.

You know it, Counsel.

Yes, Your Honor. Just trying, Your Honor.

At

itong si Marlin Sunga, Ms. Grande, anong status niya ngayon?

As per the record po, ay merong kopya ng death certificate po. na nakatala sa CRS database po.

We are showing you, we will be showing you the death certificate of Miss, of a certain Marlin Sunga.

Base po sa kanyang death certificate, kailan po namatay itong si Marlin Sunga?

Si Marlin Sunga ay namatay November 2, 1965.

November 2, 1965.

So kung gayon, Miss Grande,

Gaano o ilang taon nang patay itong si Marlin Sunga noong 2023?

About 57 years.

So in short, Miss Grande.

Mamali yung math niyo.

69

ako pinanganak, 57 ako ngayon taon na to eh. Kung 65 yan, mas matagal pa.

Dagdagan mo ma'am ng 4 years.

61.

61.

So kung gayon, Ms. Grande, itong si Marlin Sunga, noong 2023, ang taon ang diumanoy nagkabayaran ng confidential funds, hindi lamang siya 61 years ng patay, siya rin ay 2 months old lamang. Tama ba?

Objection, Your Honor. Calls for an opinion.

Move on, counsel.

Last. Your Honor, the witness just identified prosecution's exhibit P-I-24-F-41.

Finally, Ms. Grande, pakitingnan lang po yung screen.

Inapakita ko po sa inyo ang isang summary ng mga resulta ng isinagawang verification ng PSA. Gaano po katumpak o ka-accurate ang buod or summary na ito kumpara sa mga resultang nakasaad sa certification na inyo nang kinilala.

Based po dun sa mga pangalan na ibinigay sa PSA na aming po binerify at sa aming po verification at sa summary tabulation po kanina, ang mga information po na ito ay 100% accurate. Tumpak po.

That would be all for your direct examination, Your Honor.

You want to cross now, Attorney Justin, or after lunch?

After lunch, Your Honor. We also reiterate our request for the documents.

Yes, over lunch, Attorney Mae, can you give them a copy of the documents you requested?

Yes, Your Honor.

We still have a couple of minutes. Would any senator-judge wish to make an intervention to make the most use of our time? Senator-Judge Raffy may avail of his time to interject.

You have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready.

Actually, Mr. Presiding Officer, more on the manifestation nito sa akin.

Yes, what would it be, Senator-Judge?

Sa akin, in my humble opinion, aliases lang itong mga ginamit nila at yung mga nagkakatugma-tugma sa mga birth certificate, yun ay tsamba lamang.

Ang sa akin lamang, kasi napapansin ko, yung mga signatures doon sa mga Pagung, Pusa, kung sino-sino pa. Magkakapare-pareho. So ibig sabihin isang tao lang po ipirma. At saka isang handwriting lang doon sa mga pangalan. So for me, it's really important na mapatawag dito yung Lachica at saka yung counterpart ng Lachica sa DepEd para sila talaga yung may kinalaman doon sa pagbibigay ng mga pangalan na yan. And I'm very sure, Mr. Presiding Officer, habang [unclear]. Ginagawa tayong mga kenkoy, yung tao dyan sa [unclear] OVP. Ang tanong ko lang, last, sa prosecution. Okay, granting, sabi nga nung sa PSA, may mga pangalan doon nagmamatch, special mga newborn. Okay, hindi nyo ba pinaluap, pinuntahan yung mga magulang noon? Baka maaari yung mga magulang nun ang pumirma doon. Lalo yung mga 2 years old, diba may 1 year old, 2 years old. So did you not guys, did they follow up and trace or track down the parents or guardians of these 1 or 2 years old na mga bata para to confirm kung baka sila nga talaga involved sa DepEd, baka mga empleyado to ng DepEd or ng OVP?

To be candid, Your Honor, we did not, Your Honor, because we do not know the whereabouts of these people, Your Honor. And given the limited time, Your Honor, we could not track their...

Walang address sa LTO or sa PhilHealth, sa GSIS or any government agencies for that matter na they might have a record on that. Maybe these persons, okay. Maybe yung mga tao po, Mr. Presiding Officer, na kung saan yung mga bata. May mga nakalist ng mga bata. Maybe yung mga magulang noon ay empleyado ng DepEd or OVP.

It's possible na ginamit nilang pangalan ng kanilang mga anak. But take note ano, even the military, even the NBI, even the PNP, gumagamit siguro sila ng aliases para sa kanilang mga informants. So I don't see anything different. para dito sa DepEd at ka-OVP. Kaya lang, [unclear] ginagamit ng mga alias, Pusa, Daga, [unclear] Pusa, Pagong, etc.

Your Honor, if I may just quickly respond. Kung yan po, if such was the fact, Your Honor, then the defense should have at the earliest opportunity already indicated that in their answer. But they never did, Your Honor. So we worked on the theory that these are the real names of the supposed payees. That's why, Your Honor, we went through this whole exercise of verifying with the PSA. Because they never claimed that, Your Honor, they were again given the opportunity to raise that defense in their pre-trial order. But again, Your Honor, they never did.

Your Honor, if the defense may be able to briefly respond.

With the permission of Senator-Judge Tulfo, I am obligated to allow Attorney Justin to respond. Please, your comment, Attorney Justin.

It has to be remembered, Your Honor, that in relation to Article 1, the basis of the prosecution is based on the findings of the Commission on Audit, Your Honor. And given that the findings of the Commission on Audit never pointed any problems in relation to the names in the acknowledgement receipts, much less the use of aliases, Your Honor, there was nothing to respond to with all due respect.

With all due respect, Your Honor, if I can again just quickly respond to that, Your Honor. Quite the contrary, Your Honor.

Yes, Attorney Mae.

We explicitly stated in the Articles of Incorporation

Impeachment.

I'm sorry. Articles of Incorporation. Force of habit, Your Honor. In the Articles of Impeachment, Your Honor, particularly,

particularly,

Your Honor, in page 5 of the Articles of Impeachment, paragraph D, and I quote, The Philippine Statistics Authority certified that a significant number of individuals listed in acknowledgement receipts do not exist in official civil registry records. Of 677 names in DepEd receipts, at least 398 had no corresponding birth, death, or marriage records. Of 1,992 names in OVP receipts, At least 1,287 individuals could not be verified. Notably, names such as Mary Grace Piattos, Milky Secuya, and Kokoy Villamin have no records. They could

have

already addressed this in their answer, but they never raised that these are aliases. Now, assuming, Your Honor, that these are aliases, we respectfully submit that the use of the aliases if we consider the requirements under The anti-alias law, Your Honor, it's improper.

You can end there, Attorney Mae. Final rejoinder, Attorney Justin.

Your Honor, the fact remains at this point of the proceedings, and even at the time the articles of impeachment was filed, is that the prosecution had the burden of proof to explain and prove every allegation. If they are now claiming that these are aliases, the burden is with them, not with the defense.

It's 12 o'clock, Atty.

May. Besides, they made the denial with respect to the allegations of the impeachment complaint. So, I guess it is deemed

denied.

If I may just quickly reply, Your Honor, please.

Then Your Honor, we will not stop. We will continue responding, Your Honor.

This will never end, Atty. Mae.

Just a final point, Your Honor, please.

Last point na lang.

I will recognize Senator Judge Tulfo, with your permission Attorney Mae.

Okay. Granting each of those informants, they used different alias or aliases. Sabihin na natin na [unclear] silang mga alias tulad ng ginagawa sa PNP, sa NBI. Isa-isa sila pumunta doon sa kay Colonel Lachica, kung kanina man yung counterpart niya si DepEd, pumipirma. Ang hindi ko lang nagustuhan doon ay yung pare-pareho ang pirma. Pare-pareho yung handwriting sa different names. So doon may [unclear] makakalusot pa sa akin yung bang gagamit ng alias. Kasi nga naman siyempre as an informant, especially giving intelligence information or confidential information, siguro allowed sila na gumamit ng alias to protect their identity para hindi sila masunog, ika nga. Pero yung bang pirma ng bawat ng ilang mga informants po doon, Mr. Presiding Officer, pare-pareho. Tapos yung handwriting, yung [unclear] ng mga pangalan doon, pare-pareho. Ibig sabihin, isang tao lang ang [unclear] noon. So, yun ay very questionable for me. Maraming salamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer.

Thank you, Senator-Judge Tulfo.

Again, with the indulgence of counsels and senator-judges, we pause for lunch. We shall resume at 12.45.

We

submit your

honor.

Trial is in recess.

The

clerk of court is directed to once again bring the witness, Ms. Grande, to the witness stand.

Ma'am Marizza, bago po tayo magpatuloy, naunawaan niyo [unclear] patuloy na magbibigay [unclear] inyong testimonya [unclear] niyo pong panunumpa na magsasabi ng katotohanan at pawang katotohanan lamang. Naunawaan niyo po yan?

Yes po, Your Honor.

Salamat po. Attorney Justin, your witness for your cross.

Thank you, Your Honor. Turning to my cross, Your Honor. Magandang hapon po, Ms. Grande.

Good afternoon, sir.

Ms. Grande, during your direct examination, you stated that you are the assistant national statistician of the Civil Registration Service of the PSA, correct?

Yes, sir.

And in that position, Ms. Grande, this is not the first time that you testified under oath in relation to the impeachment of the Vice President, correct?

Yes, sir.

You recall that you testified before the Committee of Justice of the House of Representatives back on April 14, 2026.

Yes, sir.

Okay. And in that hearing, Ms. Grande, before the Committee on Justice, you confirmed, as you testified, that you are in charge of the verification, processing, and archiving of civil registry documents in the Philippine Statistics Authority or the PSA.

Yes, sir.

And you are also in charge in the generation of vital statistics. Tama po ba?

Yes, sir.

At ilang taon na po kayo sa PSA?

More than 25 years, sir.

Okay. Nung direct examination niyo po kay Atty. Mae, nag-identify po kayo ng ilan na mga PSA certifications. Yung tanong ko po, ito po yung mga resulta ng verification process na sinagawa ng PSA. Tama po ba?

Tama, sir.

And this verification process that the PSA conducted used the Civil Registry System database of the PSA itself, correct?

Yes, sir.

And the civil registry system database is considered as the centralized or national repository of all our civil registry documents in the Philippines. Tama po ba?

Correct sir.

At ang laman po nito ay ang mga sinusumite ng ating mga local civil registry offices. Tama?

Yes, sir.

Kasama na po yung mga syariah courts natin. Tama?

Yes po.

Kasama na rin po yung mga Philippine Foreign Service Posts natin. Tama?

Yes po, sir.

So, is it therefore correct to say, Ms. Grande, that the CRS database of our PSA relies on the submissions of these offices?

That's correct, sir.

In other words, once these offices submit civil registry documents or information to the PSA, The PSA then enters the information and documents in the database, correct?

Yes, sir.

And this CRS database is an electronic database, would that be correct?

Yes sir.

Now, the PSA does not conduct field investigations to verify whether all births in the country is registered. Tama po ba?

Partly yes sir for the CRS but there are other like for example in the census. where we gather information on birth registration.

Allow me to repeat the question po, Ma'am Grande. Particularly for the CRS, does the PSA conduct field investigations to physically check whether rehestrado lahat ng mga births dito sa Pilipinas?

Already asked and answered, Your Honor.

Your Honor, I'm just asking a clarification.

Witness will answer. She did not answer clearly the first time.

Yes, sir. We rely on the submission of the local civil registry offices on the registration including the post and the sharia. But as the PSA is also in charge in the censuses, we get information also on the birth registration.

Yes. And tama din po with respect to the CRS database. Hindi po nagko-conduct yung PSA natin ng field investigation to investigate whether all deaths, I'm referring to deaths, Atty. Mae, in the country is registered.

Yes, sir. We do study as to the completeness based on the available censuses and the vital statistics.

So,

estimate kami, sir.

Sorry, Ms. Grande, for interrupting you. But my next question is, and similarly, The PSA also does not conduct any field investigations in relation to the CRS database to physically check whether all marriages in the Philippines are recorded, correct?

For that, sir, yes.

But you do confirm, Ms. Grande, ma'am, na nagko-conduct po naman yung PSA ng mga registration programs?

Yes, sir. We have the birth registration assistance project we launched in February 2022.

Yes. And the reason why we have these registration programs is because, admittedly, not all births are recorded in the Philippines. Tama po ba?

Sir, yes. Registration is not universal. That's why we have programs to register all para sa universal civil registration.

Meron po ba tayong ginagawa na similar with respect to deaths? Nagre-registration program din po ba tayo?

Mga IECs lang po because there are areas lang that we identified based on the census and in some of the indirect estimates na may low registration rates.

So you confirm based on the census available to the PSA that not all deaths in the country are also registered?

Sorry sir, for the deaths po, indirect estimates meaning hindi po siya sa census. Sa census kasi birth registration lang po.

Okay, let me rephrase my question. Ma'am, so hindi po makukumperma ng PSA na recorded o rehistrado lahat ng pagkakamatay. Tama po ba?

Yes po, sir.

And in the same manner, the PSA hindi din kayang ikuperma kung lahat ng mga kasalan sa Pilipinas ay nakarehistrado sa sistema niyo. Tama po ba?

Yes for now, sir.

Yes. Now, so you confirm that it is possible that a certain birth did in fact occur but it is not registered in the CRS database.

Based on the data po, there are births not registered.

And you do confirm that it is also possible that a death had in fact occurred but it is not registered in your database.

Yes, there are deaths na unregistered but there are process also to reconstruct or to file the late registration.

Maraming salamat, ma'am. I'll take that answer. And you also confirm na posible din po, ma'am, na may marriage that was celebrated pero hindi rehistarado sa CRS database natin?

Yes po, sir.

Okay. Now, you do confirm, Ms. Grande, na meron din tayong cases na tinatawag na late registration. Tama po ba?

Yes, ma'am.

Meron tayong late registration sa mga births or sa mga pagpanganag.

Yes.

Meron din tayong mga late registration sa deaths or sa mga pagkamatay. Tama po ba?

Tama po, Sir.

Meron din po tayong mga late registration sa marriages at sa mga kasalan na nangyayari. Tama po ba?

Tama po.

And tama po ba na kapag hindi pa sila rehestrado kasi nga late, hindi din ito lalabas sa CRS database natin?

Agree, Sir.

Now, next. You mentioned during your direct examination that in your verification process, You inputted the information provided by the House of Representatives. Tama po ba?

Yes, sir.