September 1, 2026

The Senate President, the Presiding Officer, and Senator-Judges of the Impeachment Court.

The Sergeant-at-Arms is directed to make a proclamation.

All persons are commanded to keep silent under pain of penalty while the Impeachment Court is in session for the trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.

The Impeachment Trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte is hereby called to order. We shall be led in prayer by Senator-Judge Juan Miguel Juan Miguel Zubiri.

Let's

put ourselves in the presence of our Lord.

We also pray that you guide our witnesses and both sides of the court as they illuminate the way towards un-unassailable facts of this trial. Keep us all in the right path. Keep us from straying forward towards rather misrepresentation and diversion from the truth. Habang patuloy ang paglilitis na ito, dasal po namin na hindi itong maging dahilan para magkawatak-watak ang mamayang Pilipino. Sa halip, Sana'y maging mitsa ito ng tunay ng pagkakaisa tungo sa malinis at tapat na pamahamahala sa aming mahal na bansa. This we ask in Jesus' name we pray. Amen.

Senator-Judge, Lacson, Senator-Judge, Lapid, Senator-Judge, Legarda, Senator-Judge, Marcoleta, Senator-Judge, Marcos, Senator-Judge, Padilla, Senator-Judge, Pangilinan, Senator-Judge, Sotto III, Senator-Judge, Tulfo Erwin, Senator-Judge, Tulfo, Raffy, Senator-Judge, Villanueva, Senator-Judge, Villar, Camille, Senator-Judge, Villar, Mark. Senator-Judge Zubiri, the Presiding Officer, Senator-Judge Escudero, the Senate President, Senator-Judge Gatchalian.

With 15 senator-judges present, the chair declares the presence of a quorum. In accordance with the rules of procedure on impeachment trials, the chair now recognizes the duly elected presiding officer to preside over the proceedings of the impeachment court.

Thank you, Mr. Senate President. If there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the August 26th

What is the pleasure of Senator-Judge Sotto?

Thank you, Mr. President.

It's about the journal, and you're about to approve the journal?

Yes, we are about to, unless you have any amendments, Senator.

Yes,

as

a matter of fact, well, you may not call it an amendment, but nevertheless, just for the record, because I was disturbed by a newspaper account saying that the Prosecution counsel was not allowed to answer. and that she was cut off a number of times. I browsed through the journal and she was able to, Atty. Divinagracia, I believe, she was able to answer most of the questions. There was one or two instances where she was cut off. But I think she was pertaining to, so just for the record, to complete it, she was pertaining to Republic Act 6085. And I think the court allowed her to answer this, but probably she was not able to elaborate more. But just for the record, so that for the public and for us, the general rule, Mr. President, that she mentioned is Republic Act 6085, regulating the use of aliases. It's only allowed in the Philippines only for pseudonyms, solely for literary, cinema, television, and other entertainment purposes. Therefore, if there is a person behind the alias, then it is an alias. If there is no person behind the name, it is a fictitious name or a fake name. So, just for the record, Mr. President, thank you.

We note the manifestation of Senator-Judge Sotto and confirm that indeed, Attorney Mae was able to explain, to give an answer to the query, if I remember, of Senator-Judge Padilla, although she was not able to give that much detail that the good Senator-Judge made. The manifestation is duly noted.

To reiterate, if there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the August 26, 2026 Journal of the Senate, sitting as an impeachment court, and consider the same as approved.

The Clerk of Court will please call the matter of the impeachment trial, will please call the case, rather, before the impeachment court.

Case number 004-2026 in the matter of impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.

Appearances of the parties.

Same appearance for the public prosecutor, Your Honor. We're ready.

Good morning, Your Honor. Same appearance for the respondent accused.

Good morning, counsels. Who shall our first witness be, Honorable Chua?

Your Honor, we will be present. For our next witness, Your Honor, may we request that Atty. Ray Robles be recognized. Our next witness is Colonel Boransing, Your Honor.

Atty. Robles is recognized as part of the counsel for the panel of prosecutors. Good morning, Your Honor. Good morning. Do you confirm, Attorney Robles, that your witness shall be Colonel Boransing?

Yes, Your Honor. Just for the record, Your Honor, I am Attorney Reynaldo Robles of the law firm of Chan Robles & Associates. I'm appearing as counsel for the prosecutors under the control and supervision of the honorable panel of prosecutors. Before the

chair instructs the clerk to call Colonel Boransing, chair would like to issue a directive cum ruling with respect to what came out in the recent days and or last week. After Mr. Ortonio testified before this court, an image of him allegedly wearing an earpiece was widely circulated on the internet.

Take this opportunity after verification that it was an AI-generated image and simply false. The chair wishes to remind and take this opportunity the parties that every witness must testify nevertheless solely from his or her own knowledge. free from coaching or influence from counsel or any other person. Again, to reiterate, hindi totoo yung lumalabas ng mga litrato na di umano merong earpiece si Mr. Ortonio, yun po ay AI. What he had was a front-fold helix, an ear piercing in the front-fold helix of his ear, not an earpiece.

The underlying principle being cited by the Presiding Officer will be Section 21E of AM No. 24-1102 by the Supreme Court prohibiting the use of cellphones, tablets, or some other similar gadgets during video conferencing by analogy. Also, basis would be the U.S. case of Villarreal v. Texas wherein a witness must provide his own account rather than one scripted or choreographed by any party, council, or any interested party. Also citing the case of Sky Development Inc. v. VistaView, docket number 3D101274 of the U.S. Supreme Court. Accordingly, no witness while testifying shall possess, have access to, or use any earpiece, headset, cellphone, smartwatch, smart glasses, or any other similar device. Capable of transmitting or receiving information or communication. Witnesses are also prohibited from receiving or attempting to receive any communication, suggestion, answer, signal, message, or prompt for any person, whether inside or outside this court, regardless of the means employed. The prohibition shall remain in force during recesses and until the witness is formally discharged by the court. Consultation on unrelated matters, the use of any necessary medical accessibility, interpretation, or other device shall be subject to the court's prior approval. The clerk, therefore, is hereby directed to inform each witness of these directives prior to testifying, number two, secure all prohibited communication devices in the witness's possession before he or she is sworn in, and number three, to obtain the witness express confirmation on the record that he or she understands and shall comply with this directive. Any violations shall be brought to the attention of the chair and dealt with accordingly under the court's disciplinary powers. The directive shall take effect immediately and shall apply to the witness henceforth this court will be receiving. So ordered.

Your Honor.

Yes, Attorney Sheila.

I request that attorney Lyndon Miguel Bacuel be recognized as well for today's anchor.

Attorney who? Attorney Sheila?

Lyndon Miguel Bacuel.

Thank you, Your Honor.

Attorney Lyndon, you are recognized.

Good morning, Your Honor. Good morning.

I have been informed by the clerk that both panels now have a platform for their use according to their decision whether or not to use it as may be appropriate.

It's up to you, Attorney Ray, if you want to use it too, and Attorney Lindon if you want to use it, but it's there behind you in case. Clerk of Court is directed to call the witness of the prosecution, Colonel Boransing, and direct him to please and situate him to the witness stand.

Is Colonel Boransing here? Yes, sir. After you.

Sir, please raise your right hand. You, Manaros M. Boransing II?

I, Manaros M. Boransing II, do swear.

That the evidence you shall give,

That the evidence that I will,

In the case now pending,

In the case now pending,

Between the Philippines and Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte,

Between the Philippines and Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte,

Shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me God.

You heard in open court earlier since you were seated in the gallery the reminder of the chair that any listening or similar devices are prohibited while you are on the witness stand during recess while you're taking lunch until after your discharge, sir. Do

you understand those instructions?

Yes, sir.

Thank you, sir. Let

us

hear your offer, Attorney Ray.

Thank you very much, Your Honor. The prosecution is most respectfully offering the testimony of the witness to prove the following facts. Number one, at the time relevant to our examination, Colonel Manaros Boransing II was the Assistant Chief of Staff for Civil-Military Operations of the 1st Tabak Division of the Philippine Army and was the officer responsible for supervising and monitoring the Youth Leadership Summits and Information Education Campaign activities of his division from January to December 2023. Sa panahong mahalaga sa kasong ito, si Col. Manaros Boransing ay nagsilbing Assistant Chief of Staff for Civil-Military Operations ng 1st Infantry Tabac Division, Philippine Army. Siya ang opisyal na may tungkuling mga siwa at mag-monitor ng mga civil-military operations ng kanilang dibisyon, kasama dito ang mga youth leadership summits at information-educating campaign activities. Second, the Philippine Army 1st Infantry Tabac Division, without any participation or confidential funding, From the Department of Education, conducted 8 Youth Leadership Summits and 53 Information Education Campaign activities in 2023. Mula Enero hanggang Disyembre 2023, ang 1st Infantry Tabak Division ay nagsagawa ng 8 Leadership Summits at 53 Information Education Campaign activities.

With

the indulgence of Attorney Robles, Choose your language, counsel. English if you want to use English, Filipino if you want to use Filipino. You don't need to translate it in Filipino anymore.

Yes, Your Honor.

To save on the

first time. As you can see, Your Honor, I actually prepared my formal offer in straight English, Your Honor.

You may read it in Filipino if you want, counsel.

Yes, Your Honor.

And just simply flash it in English for those who want to see.

Yes, Your Honor. But I was just saying, over the weekend, Your Honor, When some of my friends and relatives learned that I was going to be presenting, I was told that kung pwede daw po Tagalog kasi tayo-tayo lang daw yung nakakaintindihan kaya gusto nila sana kung pwede. Kaya po pinipilit i-translate po.

Then use Filipino, counsel. Sige po. You don't have to say it in English. Again, to save on the court's time, we don't need to translate each and every statement made or given in court. Sige po. Kindly use Filipino if that is your desire.

Sige po. We'll go to the third offer. Sa kahilingan ni Yusek Nolasco-Mempin, noon ay Undersecretary for Administration ng DepEd, lumagda at nagpalabas si Col. Boransing ng certification dated January 1, 2024. Ang kanyang pag-unawa ay simple at malinaw. Pinapatunayan lamang niya ang tagumpay ng naisagawa ng 1st Infantry Tabac Division na walong leadership youth leadership summits at 53 information education campaign activities noong 2023. Hindi niya pinapatunayan kung sino ang nagbigay ng informasyon. Hindi niya pinapatunayan na may informer na binayaran. Hindi niya pinapatunayan na ang kanilang informasyon ang dahilan ng tagumpay ng aktibidad. At lalong hindi niya pinapatunayan na may kaugnayan ang mga ito sa confidential funds ng DepEd.

Number four,

isinumite ng DepEd sa COA Intelligence and Confidential Funds Auditing Office bilang bahagi ng mga dokumentong di umanay nagpapatunay sa tagumpay ng information gathering or surveillance activity na nagmula raw sa impormasyong binigay ng mga informers. Ginamit ito upang suportahan ang kabuang halagang 15,540,000 pesos na ibinayad umano bilang rewards mula sa confidential funds ng DepEd. Mga gastusing kinwestiyon ng COA sa Audit Observation Memorandum No. 2024-015 na may petsang January 1, 2024. Ngunit walang kaalaman si Colonel Boransing na gagamitin ang kanyang certification para sa layuning ito. Wala rin pinakitang ugnayan sa pagitan ng mga reward di umano na ibinayad ng DepEd. at ang matagumpay na pagsasagawa ng YLS at IEC activities ng Philippine Army.

Number 5. Ang YLS at IEC activities ay bahagi ng isang Army-wide program at ng taonang programs, projects, and activities ng Philippine Army. Isinagawa na ang mga ito bago pa man. Italaga si Vice President Duterte bilang kalihim ng DepEd noong July 2022. Maging ang mga lugar kung saan isinagawa ang mga aktividad noong 2023 ay pinili ng mga operating line units ng 1st Infantry Tabac Division ayon sa kanikanilang areas of operation. Walang partisipasyon ang DepEd sa pag-

6.

Humingi ang DepEd ng sertifikasyon tungkol sa mga programa ng Philippine Army, ngunit isinumite ito sa COA, ginamit ang dokumento na parabang pinapatunayan ito ang information gathering at surveillance activities ng DepEd, at ang diumanoy pagbabayad sa mga informers nito. Ang patunay sa trabaho ng Philippine Army ay ipinresenta bilang patunay sa paggastos ng DepEd. Ang tagumpay ng mga programang pinlano, pinondohan at sinagawa ng Philippine Army at mga LGU ay ginamit upang bigyang katwiran ang 15.54 million na di umano'y binayad mula sa confidential funds ng DepEd.

Bilang panghuli, ang testigo ay magpapatunay at kikilala din sa mga kaugnay na mga dokumento at videos at ibang mga bagay kaugnay ng paratang na maanumalyang paggamit sa confidential funds ng respondent dito sa impeachment case na ito. That is our offer, Your Honor. Comment, Atty. Linden?

Your Honor, the purposes of the testimony of Col. Boransing are not facts but conclusions devoid of any factual or legal basis, Your Honor.

Subject to cross-examination, Your Honor.

Duly noted. Comment is duly noted. It's an offer, counsel. Attorney Rey, your witness, you may proceed when you're ready with your direct examination.

Thank you very much, Your Honor. Colonel Boransing, magandang umakap po.

Yes, sir. Good morning, sir.

I hope you had a pleasant trip. Malayo po yung pinanggalingan niyo.

Yes, sir.

Sir, could you tell us what is your current position sa Armed Forces?

Yes, sir. I'm currently the commander of the Task Force Zamboanga under the 1st Infantry Tabac Division, Philippine Army, sir.

Natanggap niyo po ba yung subpoena na pinadala ng Impeachment Court para tumistigo kayo kaugnay noong certification na inisyo niyo?

Yes, sir. I receive it. I received it at August 25 at 1 p.m.

By the way, sir, is this the first time you're testifying on this matter?

I was called last October 2024 to the lower house, the Congress, for an investigation in aid of a legislation.

Also on this matter, sir?

Specifically on this matter, sir.

Would you know, sir, which committee of the lower house and on what day?

I'm sorry, sir, I can't recall.

If I show you, sir, the TSN for the hearing, will you be able to determine whether or not that would be the hearing which you attended? Yes, sir. At this juncture, Your Honor, we request for authority for our assisting counsel, Attorney Robert John Zalazar.

to present to the witness the document that we intend to show him.

Continuing authority to both assisting counsels are granted to approach the witness. Yes, Attorney Linden?

Your Honor, we object to the presentation of the document being confronted to the witness considering that he testified that he cannot recall.

That's why we're confronting him

with the

document.

Overall counsel, we'll allow it.

At this juncture, Your

Honor, we also request for the benefit of the honorable senator-judges and for the viewing public for us to be allowed to flash the document on the screen.

Counsel is allowed to do so. Chair would like to inform the senator-judges as well as counsel for the parties and the public. that the court has already taken judicial notice of the proceedings of the house, particularly the Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability, but only as to the existence of that hearing and the statements made in that hearing, not as to the truth of the statements made therein. So you may do so, counsel.

Thank you very much, Your Honor. For the record, we are confronting the witness with the transcript of stenographic notes previously marked as exhibit. P-Roman numeral number 1-1-C for the prosecution.

As

stated earlier, Your Honor, this is among the documents for which judicial notice was graciously granted by the Honorable Presiding Officer.

Nakita niyo po, Colonel, itong dokumento?

Yes, sir. And that was the committee, the Committee on Good Government. public accountability. I also saw my specific statements and it's what was...

Naalala niyo po ngayon kung ano yung petsa?

Yes, sir. October 17, 2024, sir. Okay.

Thank you po. So, balik po muna tayo. You are the commanding officer of the 1st Tabac Division or Task Force Zamboanga? Yes, sir. Task Force Zamboanga, sir. Before your position ngayon sir, bago po kayo na-promote, ano po yung position nyo sa Armed Forces?

I was the Deputy Brigade Commander of the 102nd Infantry Iksuon Brigade also under the 1st Infantry Tabac Division from November 2025 to May 2026.

Yun pong certification na sinabi niyong tinestiguhan niyo sa House of Representatives, kailan niyo po in-issue?

I issued it, I signed it, January 1, 2024, when I was then the Assistant Chief of Staff for Civil-Military Operations, G7 of the 1st Infantry Tobacco Division.

Sige po, yun ang pag-usapan natin kasi this is the position relevant to the testimony we intend to request from you. Yes, sir. As Assistant Chief of Staff, for... Civil-military operations po ba? Tama? Yes, sir. Of the 1st Infantry Tabac Division.

I-clarify ko lang po dun sa hierarchy, no? Kasi assistant chief of staff po kayo. Meron po bang chief of staff for civil-military operations?

In the 1st Infantry Tabac Division, sir, we have our commander,

a

major general. We have the assistant division commander. Then we have the chief of staff sir

So ang

question ko po, just to clarify lang po kasi medyo nakakalito po yung terminology, no? Yes, sir.

The commander, sir, but I advise him and do the planning for him, sir.

So you are the staff officer in charge? Yes, sir.

So,

would it be, who is in the 1st Infantry Division, who has among the staff officer the effective oversight and supervision over all civil-military operations of the division?

It is the Assistant Chief of Staff for Civil-Military Operations, G7.

Andthat was your position at that time, sir?

That was my... position a few years ago, sir.

Sige po, sir. Now, anyway, napag-usapan na rin po natin yung certification na in-issue nyo.

Yes, sir.

If that certification is shown to you, will you be able to recognize it?

Yes, sir.

Attorney RJ, Colonel, I'm showing you a document which

is captioned as a certification with the date 1st January 2024.

Pwede po bang pakitignan niyo lang po? For the record, Your Honor, this is the document previously marked as Exhibit P-RN No. 1-22-A for the prosecution.

Nakita niyo na po, Colonel. Yes, sir. Ano po ang kaugnayan nito dun sa certification na in-issue niyo?

That's a copy of the certification I issued.

Ang nakalagang, meron po dito sa ibaba, bandang ibaba, bandang kanan, meron pong parang pirma sa taas ng printed na Manaros M. Boransing II, Colonel, Philippine Army. Kanino po pirma yun?

The one I, the document I saw, it's my signature but the one in the PowerPoint has, doesn't have my signature, sir.

So, anyway, Your Honor, we will be following the document because that is the one marked in evidence.

Yes, sir.

According to our legal staff, it's because of data privacy that's why they had to mask your signature.

Thank you very much, sir.

Okay. Dito po sa certification niyo, sir, meron kayong binanggit na pinapatunayan niyo conduct of eight activities. for youth leadership summit, YLS, with 531 participants and an information education campaign with 53 activities and 9,428 participants in different schools in the area of operations of this command. Ang tanong ko po sa inyo, sir, bago ito, tanongin ko muna kayo, ano po ba yung duties and responsibilities nyo dati po nung kayo ay assistant? Chief of Staff for Civil-Military Operations.

Yes, sir. As the Assistant Chief of Staff for Civil-Military Operations, I primarily advise the commander of the 1st Infantry Division on matters pertaining to Civil-Military Operations in our area of operations. I also draft the plans, operational plans. for civil-military operations in the 1st Infantry Tabac area of operations. I supervise the implementation of the plans and I also get all the data on our sub-units, subordinate units' implementations of those plans. Okay,

thank you po. Ngayon po, balikan ko po yung nakalagay sa certification niyo. May terms po kasi na kung pwedeng ipakipaliwanag niyo po. Ano po iyong ibig sabihin nitong Youth Leadership Summit or YLS?

Yes, sir. The Youth Leadership Summit is a long-time Philippine Army program or Armed Forces of the Philippines program. It is implemented via inter-agency.

Coordinate, we lead, but it is composed of all stakeholders in the area of operations. It was conceptualized and implemented primarily to stop the recruitment of youth, either students in school or out of school youth, to groups who are violent extremists. And this was started, I think, in 2002, sir, by the Philippine Army and adopted. and it has been done and it has been successful in answering the deceptions by different violent extremist groups. These are implemented in areas of where the communist-inspired insurgents are and also in Muslim areas where terrorists or other groups are operating. Thank you, Sir.

Nabanggit niyo po, long time. project na po ito ng Philippine Army.

Yes, sir.

Tama po ba yung narinig ko na 2002 pa po ito nag-umpisa?

The first official, according to the Army's historical records, the first record was 2002 in the Southern Tagalog, sir. Yes, sir.

Ano po ang kaugnayan nito sa regular plans, programs, and activities ng unit nyo?

It is part of the regular program. of the Philippine Army if it is requested by our subordinate unit, Sir.

Yun pong banggit niyo kanina, multi-stakeholder po ito, pero sino po ang lead or primary agency na nag-implement nito?

the Philippine Army coordinates, Sir, but as much as possible, it is, we try to make it that it's a whole of society and a whole of government effort. So we may instigate it or start the planning and the organization but it is co-equal implementation.

Would it

be correct to say that it is a project of the Army? We will invite stakeholders.

Rejection, Your Honor. Leading.

What does counsel say?

Your

Honor, anyway, we'll reform the question. Kindly reform. What is the lead agency insofar as these projects are concerned?

Well sir, it's the army and we try to have the local government unit involved as

much as possible. Sir,

ang tanong ko po, kanino po nagkagaling yung pondo o budget para sa activity ng YLS?

It comes from several sources, sir. Each participant, each contingent is funded by their agency. But the youth, we coordinate that it's the provincial local government and the municipal or city local government who fund their participation. But for the other lecturers and participants from the other government agencies and other stakeholders, they fund their own expenses for the youth. Tama po

ba sa Tagalog? Kanya-kanyang bayad?

Ganun po ba? Yes, sir.

YLS. Kailan po ito hinahanda?

First or second quarter of which year? Halimbawa po ngayong taon nito itong project, kailan po isusubmit

yung budget? Year minus one, sir. So if the budget is for 2027, it's 2026, sir. 2026. So

one year before. Ano po ang kasama pag nag-susubmit kayo ng proposal para sa activities?

Could you clarify? Ang tanong ko po ganito. Sapat na po ba yung general description ng project or kailangang nandun yung mga detalye?

Objection, Your Honor. Leading. Your Honor.

Leading questions are not allowed in direct, Your Honor.

Counsel, kindly reform. Yes. Ano po ang kailangang isama dun sa proposal para sa project?

Sir, as I said earlier, sir, I'm not really a

I'm not an expert on government budget process. But as far as you

know?

Well, I think it follows the current government policy and on SOP on what needs to be submitted for PAPs to be

approved. And as far as you know, what needs to be submitted?

Well, on our part, sir, and our subordinate units, we submit the specific, if you want to have a youth leadership summit, the number of participants and the general area or province where it will be conducted, sir.

Okay, po. So, who

decides who will be the participants to the summit?

It is also, it will be the interagency group. or what we call as a technical working group, sir. It's composed of the Army, the PNP, the local DepEd, and other stakeholders, sir. It varies from area, sir. So it depends on the area, sir. Okay.

Sir, how frequently do you conduct these YLS summits in your area of operations?

If I may, Sir, I think for 2023, Sir, there were eight, but this is because we usually per year we have more in the previous years, but because the threat was waning down in our area of operation, it was lessened. In previous years, Sir, I think I saw one of the records that it was many more. So it depends on the threat level, Sir.

Noon pong kanina po binanggit niyo na 2002 pa. Nagsimula yung... Pero dito sa unit po nyo, sa 1st Tabac Division, sa pagkakaalam nyo, sabi nyo, based on records, kailan po kayo nag-upisa ng Youth Leadership Summit?

I cannot recall, Sir, because we do not have a records way back to 2002, Sir. But I recall, Sir, in 2005, we had a Youth Leadership Summit in Hulo, Sulu, Sir.

As

early

as 2005, for your

unit, sir? Yes, sir. Sulu was then under the first infantry division, sir.

So, magbuhat po noong 2005, gaano po kadalas niyong ginagawa?

I cannot answer, sir. I don't have the relevant data, sir.

Can you just give

a general idea? Was it yearly, quarterly, every three years?

It's definitely annually, sir. Annually? Yes, sir. And it is based on the threat level, sir.

Okay. Thank you, sir. Meron din po kayong binanggit dun sa certification niyo, yung Information Education Campaign or IEC. Ano po itong IEC?

So the Information Education Communication Campaign, Sir, it involves informing the communities and the other stakeholders on the army programs, government programs, and the threat that is in the community, Sir.

Okay, sir. Yun pong IEC activity, campaign activities nyo, sir, sino po ang nagpo-pondo?

Again, sir, it's an interagency effort, sir. We have army funds, but we coordinate with the Philippine Information Agency, the local governments, and other national government agencies, sir, for printing of

tarpaulins, handouts, and for ABPs or audio-visual representation, Sir.

So, Sir, normally, pag ganyang multi-party activity, meron pong lead. Sino po yung lead dito sa IEC activities na?

It's case-to-case basis, Sir. Like, for instance, Sir, last year, Sir, or in 2023, there were some briefings about the The threat of terrorism in Lanao del Sur and the Zamboanga Peninsula. So if the target audience, excuse me, is the school, sir, it will be the school but many stakeholders will be presenting during the forum, sir.

Is this a project of the Philippine Army?

It's case-to-case basis, sir. Sometimes the school or the community requests for it. Sometimes it is the Army. Sometimes it is the LGU, sir.

Sige po. Doon po sa kaso na it's the Philippine Army which is taking the lead, sino po ang nag... Kailan po piniprepare yung pondok?

Again, sir, we follow the budget process of the government. So it's one year before, sir. So

ganun din po, one year before. bago yung actual holding.

Sino po ang nagdi-desisyon kung kailan at saan gaganapin? Of course,

Your Honor, compound, Your Honor.

Sige, Your Honor. Kindly Reform Council. Sino po ang nagdi-desisyon kung saan gaganapin yung IEC activity?

The IEC activities, again, sir, we coordinate with the local government units for their offices and their communities. With DepEd, if the schools are the ones to be delivered for information, education, communication campaigns, sir. So it depends, sir, on the specific area and circumstances, sir.

Pero sabi niyo po kasama ito sa budget process din, tama po?

Yes, sir. Objection, Your Honor, argumentative.

Your Honor, I'm asking him to confirm. I have a follow-up question. Overruled, witness may answer?

Yes, sir. At least for the Army-funded materials, sir, and coordination parts, sir, it is the Army, sir, so that decides. So it is like, for instance, sir, if the threat is to the whole province, then it's the whole province, sir.

So kailan po isinusubmit yung proposal for your IEC activities?

Again, sir, we follow the government budget process, sir. It's a year before, sir. A

year before.

Yes, sir.

Ngayon, punta po tayo dun sa pagtestigo nyo sa Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability noong October 17, 2024.

Yes, sir.

Pwede po bang mabanggit nyo kung ano yung naging pag-uusap dun sa hearing na yon?

Vague, Your Honor.

Your

Honor. Witness may answer.

I think he knows what he's being asked given that he testified earlier. He recalls the hearing and having attended hearing. Witness

may answer.

It's

kind of a very long hearing, sir. I cannot specify. Maybe you can ask a specific question. Okay.

What I'll do, sir, is I'll show you a specific portion because I have questions relating there too. And then I will ask my questions so that you will recall what transpired. Is that fair? It is, sir. Thank you. Your Honor, at this juncture, may we request to refresh the memory of the witness. that we be allowed to play the video contained in the USB previously marked as Exhibit P-RN No. 1-1-C-I for the prosecution. This is part of the videos for which the Honorable... court has graciously extended judicial notice. How long is the video

counsel?

Your Honor, about 4 minutes and 30 seconds. In all? We are specifically requesting for the playing of Exhibit P-RN No. 1-1-5 or Part 5 starting from 39 minutes 34 seconds to 44 minutes. and seven seconds. Technical, can we play the video? Video number one.

The clerk of court through the tech is authorized to so play the video.

Colonel Boransing.

Out of eight youth leadership summit, ilan po yung naatendan nyo?

Colonel Boransing, you're recognized.

Yes, Mr. Chair. I was only able to attend one.

So that means that you have no personal knowledge as well.

of all

the eight youth leadership summit that happened.

I have personal knowledge of this, ma'am. Mr. Chair, if I may explain lang po the structure of my position is I am the G7 of the Infantry Division. So, the Infantry Division has three infantry brigades. They control three... One has four provinces, the other has one province, and the other brigade has one province. So I am in charge of supervising. I am the Civil Military Operations Officer, Mr. Chair. So I closely monitor, we all closely monitor the program of the Youth Leadership Summit to ensure that it... To ensure that it is multi-stakeholder and it fits the objectives of the program. So we have personal knowledge. We can't go around in each barangay. But they have, since we used budget from the Philippine Army, we have after-activity reports, fund utilization reports, pictures and documentations.

We have to ensure this because we have a yearly inspection from higher headquarters. So we may not have been there, but we have personal knowledge. We are the program managers of this book. You

mentioned a while ago, Colonel Boransing, you were using the fund of the Philippine Army. You confirm that?

Yes, Mr. Chair.

Are you

sure?

Yes, Mr. Chair.

48 YLS.

that were

conducted. You used the fund of the Philippine Army. For

our participants, we used the Philippine Army. For the students, they used the local government unit funds, Mr. Chair.

Okay, that is clear. Mr. Chair, I just wish to manifest the statement of Colonel Boransing that during the Youth Leadership Summit For the military, they are using their military fund and for the children or the youth, they are using the LGU fund.

municipal LGU funds. And for the participants from the other stakeholders from DepEd, from Vidaya, from the police, of course, they use their own funds. So it's really a multi-stakeholder. In

other words, Mr. Chair, a lot of offices and agencies are using their respective funds for intelligence in conducting the Youth Leadership Summit. This is your statement. Colonel Boransing.

I didn't say intelligence funds, ma'am. What I said was, like for instance, for their billeting for the hotel, they have to pay from their own agency funds. For their food, they have to pay. What

is clear, there are different offices who shoulder their respective expenses for the purpose of Youth Leadership Summit. Yes, Mr.

Chair, yes.

In other words, it is not only the DepEd

who spends

its confidential fund.

I have no knowledge of what their source of funding is.

But in as far as you are concerned, kanya-kanyang gastos ang iba't-ibang opisina. And

for

the children, the youth, you said it is being shouldered by the LGU. Tama?

Yes, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you, Colonel.

Colonel Boransing. Thank you.

Your Honor, can we proceed with our examination of the retention?

Yes, Counsel,

you may proceed. Thank

you. Colonel, just to clarify, noong po bang tumistigo kayo, was it under oath? It was. And do you confirm the veracity of the statements you made in that hearing? Yes, sir. Okay, thank you. Puntahan po natin yung pinag-usapan doon sa video. Yung pong funding. Doon po ba sa certification nyo, aling YLS at IEC activities ang binabanggit nyo?

I don't get the question, sir. Is it for a

specific period or in general? I

don't get the question, sir.

Ano pong panahon ang covered noong certification nyo?

It was stated in certification sir, January 1 to December 31, 2023.

Yun po ang pag-usapan natin. YLS at IEC activities niyo, ng unit niyo noong 2023.

Para po, para maliwanag, saan po nanggaling yung funding para doon sa YLS at IEC activities niyo noong 2023?

Objection, Your Honor. Asked and answered. No,

Your Honor. This is a different question. The witness was answering before about activities in general. I am asking for a specific period. We'll

allow it. Witness may answer.

Yes, sir. For the 2023 Youth Leadership Summit, sir, the funding for the whole activity itself came from various government agencies. So for the army participants and for the coordinations, it was for the army participants, it was from the army in the budget of the army. For the students and out-of-school youth participants, it was funded from the provincial, city, or municipal local government funds. For the other participants from other agencies or civilian stakeholders, it was from their own funding.

Kanya

-kanya ang bayad.

Yes, sir. So, ang sunod ko po question, nasagot nyo na kung kanino galing yung pondo para dun sa participants. Ang sabi nyo, local government units. Yes, sir.

Ito po yung tanong ko.

Gano po kalaki ang funding by way of confidential funds? na ipinrovide ng DepEd para sa YLS at IEC activities niyo noong 2023?

There was no funding released to the 1st Infantry Division from DepEd sir, of any source

sir. How about funding by way of confidential funds? provided by the offices identified with the respondent Vice President Sara Duterte, particularly the OVP, Office of the Vice President, or the Vice President Security and Protection Group, or VPSPG. Were there funding provided for those offices for your YLS and IEC activities in 2023?

For 2023, sir, there were no funds from

I

was asking you about confidential funds. Now let me ask you about funds in general, confidential or otherwise. How much funding was provided or downloaded to your unit by the DepEd for your conduct of the YLS and IEC activities in 2023?

As I earlier said, Sir, no funds whatsoever or any amount was downloaded to the 1st Infantry Tobacco Division for 2023 for the Youth Leadership Summit and Information Education Communication Campaign, Sir,

by

any government agencies.

Okay. Dun po sa, para lang maliwanag, itatanong ko na rin po sa inyo, although in general, nasagot nyo na rin. How much funding other than confidential funds was provided or downloaded to your unit by the offices identified with the respondent vice president like the OVP or VPSPG for your conduct of the YLS and IEC activities in 2023?

Objection, Your Honor. Asked and answered.

It's a

different question, Your Honor.

Asked and answered, counsel. Objection is sustained. Move on, counsel.

Sir, referring to the YLS and IEC activities you conducted in 2023, who decided when and where to conduct those activities?

As you answered, Your Honor.

Alalawit, counsel. I don't recall witness having answered that.

Yes, sir. So, it is the interagency technical working group, sir, that decides the specific, but it has already been

program for like for instance a single province sir but the specific municipality will be decided by the interagency technical working group composed as you said

it's already been

programmed correct yes sir but for the specific barangay sityo it's not written there it's written like for instance the province sir or the municipality sir so

As you stated earlier, is this part of the budget process you mentioned earlier to be submitted one year before?

Yes, sir. At least for the Army participation, sir. Okay. Thank you.

With your indulgence, counsel, when did the Interagency Committee decide on the venue of the YLS and the IEC? Yes, sir.

Good

morning, sir. Sabi niyo sir kasi yung AFP nag-decide the year before pero wala pang specific barangay and that the areas are chosen by the Interagency Committee. When did the Interagency Committee decide kung saan gagawin yung YLS at IEC ng 2023?

In way of answering, sir, if I may, sir, show a specific example, sir. So like, for instance, sir, in Lanao del Sur, sir, there was a youth leadership summit there conducted December 2023, sir. So a few months before, sir, a interagency meeting was initiated by the 103rd Infantry Brigade in Marawi City, sir. And then they looked at the threat levels where Those killed, terrorists killed or surrendered or captured, where, which specific municipalities are they coming from?

What date was this agreed upon and when was the wireless?

If I could...

This example you're citing, sir. Yes, sir. You may refer to your notes, sir. You may refer to your notes. Just to give us an idea.

Ano po yung binabanggit nyo sa Marawi? Kailan ginawa? At saka kailan pinagpasyahan yun?

This one, sir, in Lanao del Sur, sir, it's, it was in August 7 to 9, 2023, and the specific venue is Barangay Poblasyon, Madaya, Maging, Lanao del Sur. So we have here a preparation phaser, which was done July 15, when they met with the president of, we have an organized alumni youth leadership summit at, they met in Campo Ranaw, sir. with the army officer, sir. And the topic discussed was the preparation for the requirements of the YLS summit, sir. So the

month before, sir?

Yes, sir. It depends on the specific circumstances of the area, sir. It could be a month, it could be two months before, sir.

You're talking nine YLS activities in 2023, correct, sir?

Eight, sir.

Your Honor,

that's a different area for General Bajau.

So,

all eight, meron kayong agreement with an interagency committee. Kasama ba ang deped doon sa interagency committee?

Yes, sir.

Okay. Your Witness Council. Thank you, Your Honor. Balik po tayo doon sa naging hiri noong October 17, 2024 sa Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability. Naalala niyo po, tinanong kayo doon sa certification na inisyo niyo, yung pinakita natin kanina. Yes, sir. In fairness, so that I can ask my question, and marami po kasing naging tanong doon, I will show you the video before asking you questions. Your Honor. Can we be allowed to play Exhibit P-RN No. 1-1-6? This is part 6 of the video to which the Honorable Court has already extended judicial notice starting from 27 minutes 21 seconds to 31 minutes and 9 seconds, which is around 3 or 4 minute video.

You may proceed, counsel.

The tech is so

instructed to

comply. Kindly play video number 4.

Please continue, Congressman Ajo.

Thank you. So, Usec Memphid, wala pong ibinaba na pondo sa Armed Forces of the Philippines or sa Philippine Army units. Wala.

As para sa inyo, sir, wala po daw po, sir.

Yung mga units ng Philippine Army which conducted the summit, wala rin po kayong pondong natanggap galing sa Deped. Would that be correct?

Yes, correct, sir.

That's correct. Now, may I ask, bakit kayo nag-issue ng certification?

Hindi, that's not you kasi hindi naman ikaw nag-certify.

Why did you issue

certification? Sino po ang sasabot? Colonel Boransing, you are recognized.

Mr. Chair, sir, as I earlier mentioned, sir, because almost all of our activities on the ground are multi-stakeholder, when we appear in activities of one or many agencies, many agencies ask for certifications of attendance as I have asked the Secretariat to issue us with a certificate of attendance that we attended this activity.

We assume that the certification was also for for that purpose. So a lot of other national government agencies and local government units asked for certifications in that manner also. So

you're trying to tell us that it was USEC Memphine which required the submission of those certifications. Siya po ba ang nag-require sa inyo?

Yes, he asked, Mr. Chair, yes, sir.

Was it through a written document or what?

He called our commander, sir.

Ganun na po ba ngayon sa our forces of the Philippines?

Well, sir, the other AGCs also, like for instance, the Department of, the Regional Offices of the Department of Agriculture. testa, they also text me during our activities. So I think it's a accepted mode of unofficial communication, sir.

For your information, yun pong purpose ng confidential fund ng Kwan ng DepEd in its accomplishment report ay apat po. For your information. Number one, counter-insurgency programs. Number two is abuse prevention and control within schools. Number three, anti-illegal activities, operations, and anti-extremism and terrorism programs.

Di

po ba? Nowhere could I find, dito po sa accomplishment report na sinabmit ng Office of the Department of Education, what I see na Yung activity ng Armed Forces of the Philippines is enumerated. Wala eh. Wala akong makita.

And yet, yung mga ginawa niyong activities, eh nandun na yun sa liquidation ng contingency fund ng DepEd.

Bakit ganun,

Yosef Membin? Did you not ask why?

Please

continue.

Colonel, I would like to ask you about what you said about the certification you issued. You were asked, sir, why you issued the certification and just to recapitulate or restate, you said essentially that the certificate was issued as a form or certificate of attendance to stakeholders who participated in the activities and you even cited the fact that you also requested for a similar certificate of attendance from the committee secretary. Would that more or less be a correct restatement of what you said? Yes, sir. Okay.

So, do you affirm that answer before this court that you gave?

As an answer, Your Honor.

No, Your Honor, it's a different question.

He did answer that in the video but does he confirm it today?

Do you confirm that? Give me

answer. The truth and veracity of that statement? Yes, sir. Okay. Now, based

on the record, as already also stated in the video, the certificate you issued, sir, was used by the DepEd and submitted to the COA for the purpose of showing proof of success of information gathering or surveillance activity to justify the payment of... 15.54 million in confidential funds as rewards. Objection, Your

Honor. Your Honor, I haven't

asked my question.

Finish your question, counsel.

When was the first time that you learned about this?

What's the objection, counsel?

I withdraw my objection, Your Honor. The prosecution changes its question.

If he knows, witness may answer if he knows.

Yes, sir.

Kailan niyo po

nalaman

na ginamit yung certification na in-issue niyo para ipasa o ilusot sa COA yung 15.54 million ng confidential funds na ipinambayad umunan ng rewards ng Department of Education? Kailan niyo po nalaman?

No basis, Your Honor. Part of the record already. The witness has yet to testify as regards any submission of any document to the court. Neither

have I heard that, counsel, but with the indulgence of the counsel for the parties, I notice that the certifications are all common exhibits of both parties.

Yes, Your Honor.

There is no request for stipulation on the part of the prosecution insofar as the certifications are concerned. Is that correct?

Yes, Your Honor, but these have been previously testified on already by the COA witness, as Your Honor, particularly Mr. Guamil.

Agreed, counsel. Agreed, counsel. All I'm asking is if there are...

So there is basis for us to confront the witness because that is part of the record already, Your Honor.

That's not the issue of the Presiding Officer, counsel. I'm looking at the possibility of shortening the proceedings if indeed these are common exhibits insofar as... I can enumerate all of the certifications if

the

respondent is willing to stipulate on the certifications including the AOMs and the DepEd response. If the respondent is willing. If not, then we proceed as you intend to, Attorney Ray. Attorney Linton, are you willing to stipulate as to the common exhibits pertaining to the COA AOMs on DepEd, the responses and transmitted letters of DepEd? and the certifications issued among others by Colonel Boransing and others pertaining to YLS and IECs. Is that possible?

We can stipulate on that, Your Honor.

I will enumerate, counsel then.

The COA AOM dated 2024-015 dated February 1, 2024. The COA AOM dated Co-AOM number 2024-171 dated August 8, 2024. Do you stipulate, counsel? Yes, Your Honor.

DepEd reply dated April 17 to AOM number 2024-2015. Do you stipulate, counsel?

Yes, Your Honor. For the record, that's Defense Exhibits D-I-79-DE, Your Honor.

Yes.

Do you transmit the letter of DepEd? Response to AUM number 2024-171. If I'm not mistaken, that's D-1-92-DE. Correct, Your Honor. Distributed counsel? Yes, Your Honor.

The certifications issued by various officers of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. Coming from Colonel Boransing, dated January 1, 2024. Colonel Sang Daan dated December 30, 2023 by Lt. Col. Magtanggol Panopio dated December 5, 2023 The certification issued by Lt. Col. Mendoza dated September 25, 2023 by Lt. Col. Jai Chris J. Mendoza dated December 10, 2023 and certification by General Bajao, dated December 12, 2023, and finally by Colonel Darren Comia, dated July 1, 2024.

I can name the exhibits in Seriatim II, counsel, if you want.

We can stipulate, Your Honor. In addition, Your Honor, for the record, in D-I-92-D, it is a transmitted letter of a reply. Dated August 22, 2024. Not dated August

27. August 22, Your Honor. August 22.

Which is attached to D-I-92-D, Your Honor.

This is the one signed by Yusek Sevilla.

That's the D-I-92-DE, Your Honor. The reply dated August 22, 2024, which is attached to the D-I-92-DE, is separately marked as D-I-93-DE, Your Honor.

Yes, and do you stipulate as well with that? Yes, Your Honor. Finally, the letter addressed by Major General Bajau to Yusek Mempin. which is your D-I-84-DE and D-I-85-DE.

We can stipulate on that, Your Honor. Moreover, Your Honor, may we also request stipulation on the data on joint 7ID DepEd anti-insurgency campaign from 01 January 2023 to 31 December 2023. Dated

December 5, 2023.

Yes, Your Honor.

Which is Prosecutions Exhibit P-I-22-P-I-22-C-1. De-stipulate it, Attorney Ray.

Your Honor, let me check. P-I-P

-I-22-C-1. Data on Joint 7-ID

DepEd anti-insurgency campaign from January 1, 2023 to December 31, 2023, dated December 5, 2023, signed by Major Rogelio Dombrique Jr. and Lieutenant Colonel Magtanggol Panopio.

We're willing to stipulate, Your Honor. Yes, Your Honor.

For the record, Your Honor, that document is Defense Exhibits D-I-83-DE,

Your Honor. This is a common exhibit, Your Honor.

Yes. So stipulated. The aforementioned documents are still stipulated by the parties, meaning to say no proof need be presented in regard to these documents other than to complete the narration of the witness. It's ordered.

Thank you, Your Honor. Dito po sa mga dokumento na ngayon lamang po pinagkasunduan ng prosecution at counsel for the respondent, isa po dito yung sulat na isinumite ng DepEd sa COA bilang tugon. sa Audit Observation Memo 2024-05. Ito po ay sulat dated 17 April 2024. Naka-address kay Hon. Nilda B. Plaras ng COA. At pirmado po ni Atty. Michael Wesley T. Poa, Undersecretary and Chief of Staff. Ang tanong ko po, kailan niyo po nalaman na inilakip o sinama sa sulat na ito yung certification na in-issue nyo para patunayan daw na yung aktibidad na sinesertifyan nyo ay patunay ng matagumpay na pag-gastos or pagbigay ng reward para sa surveillance activity and information gathering ng DepEd para sa halagang 15,540,000 pesos. Kailan nyo po nalaman yun?

Your Honor, before the witness answers, Your Honor, can the witness be directed not to, during the examination, not to confer with other people or his staff, Your Honor? Seated behind.

Conferring with which witness,

Your Honor, is he referring to? This witness.

Who are you conferring with, Colonel Bransing?

He's our army lawyer, sir. I was just asking about the stipulations, explanation.

Kindly avoid that, Colonel Bransing.

Yes, sir.

As earlier ordered by the Chair, while you are testifying, you are not to consult or get any coaching from anyone, whether it's a party in interest and or...

The counsels for either party. We will, as best as we can, Colonel, we will look out, the court will look out for your rights and interests and will also invoke it. You may invoke it anytime you need to or the court may do so should the parties fail to invoke it for you. Thank you, Your Honor. It's ordered. Thank you for that, Attorney Linden. We

also object to the question, Your Honor, for being compound and vague, Your Honor. Now I

forgot the question already. Kindly repeat the question, Atty. Ray.

Base po dito sa dokumento, which were already subject to stipulation by the parties, pinagkasunduan na po. I remember. If

you know, overall, if you know, Col. Bransing, if you know that that document was used or was submitted to COA in relation to an AUM, if you know.

Yes, Your Honor. The question was when I... Kailan

mo unang

nalaman?

October 17, 2023, during the hearing

in

the lower house.

Yun lamang po nung mismong hearing

na iyon? Yes, Sir. Okay. So, ang tanong ko po, kasama po ba yung ginawang paghabit ng DepEd doon sa purpose ng pag-issue nyo ng certification?

If we could...

I'd like to clarify the question, sir. Sige po, palitan ko na lang yung tanong.

Ano po ang kaugnayan noong certification na in-issue nyo doon sa umano'y matagumpay na paggastos ng 15.54 million confidential funds ng DepEd para umano sa pagbabayad ng rewards?

Objection, Your Honor. No basis.

If the witness

knows, counsel, I

have no knowledge, sir.

I would have expected that.

Wala kayong kaalaman po? Yes, sir. I haven't even read the COA document, sir.

Hindi niyo po nakita yung COA document? No, sir. Noong maalaman niyo po na ginamit yung certification niyo para dun sa pag-clear ng confidential funds, na dinisallow ng COA.

Could you tell us ano po yung naging reaction nyo? Objection, Your Honor. Misleading.

Objection is sustained, counsel.

Your Honor, there's nothing misleading with the question. I'm just asking for the reaction of the witness when he learned. Counsel, I

don't believe this was disallowed by COA, counsel. There is no evidence to that effect.

I'm sorry. I'll reform. So, yung pong... Nung pong nalaman niyo na ginamit yung certification niyo para sagutin yung papagfaflag ng COA dun sa audit observation nila dun sa 15,540,000 pesos na ginastos umano sa pagbabayad ng reward, ano po yung naging reaction niyo?

Frankly, sir, I did not have any reaction, sir.

because we conducted the Youth Leadership Summit in coordination and with the help of all the stakeholders. And we had our own problems in our area of operations 2023.

During that time, we just had the bombing in Marawi City. So frankly speaking, we had more, at least for us, more important things.

Okay lang po ba yun sa inyo? Argumentative, Your Honor. Move on, counsel.

What explanation did DepEd officials,

naalala niyo po kung ano yung paliwanag ng DepEd officials, yung binigay nila dun sa hearing kung saan kayo nag-attend?

Call for hearsay, Your Honor.

Dun sa issue na ito.

Call for hearsay, Your Honor.

Well, anyway, we'll just confront the witness with the video. You

may do so, counsel. Thank you, Your Honor.

We request that we play, we be allowed to play your honor, exhibit P-1- Roman numeral number 1-1-6, part 6, starting at 17 minutes 43 seconds to 27 minutes 16 seconds. Technical, can we play video number 2?

Thank you, sir. Directed.

Indulgence. With the indulgence of Congressman Flores,

Congressman Acop, the chair recognizes Congressman Acop.

I would just like to ask some clarificatory questions regarding the interpolation of the Honorable Wistro.

May no who can answer me? Sino ang makakasagot? Kanino bang program itong sinasabi natin na Youth Leadership Summit? Is it a program of the DepEd? The Armed Forces of the Philippines? Kanino?

Sino ang makapagsasabi sa akin?

Major General Bajao?

Bajao, Sir.

Bajao? May Ipirecognize, Mr. Chair. Ipirecognize.

Your Honor, it's a Philippine Army-wide program, a three-day activity po.

It's an activity included in the budget of the Armed Forces of the Philippines, tama? Yes,

Your Honor.

It's one of the PPAs insofar as your budget is concerned.

Yes, Sir.

So in other words, when you conduct these events, You do not need the help of other agencies or the funding of other agencies.

I would disagree with that, Your Honor, because we can only spend for our own troops, but the need of other participants and the subject matter experts have to be carried by participating agencies. What

is the legal basis why the program of the Armed Forces of the Philippines is participated on by other agencies of government. What is the legal basis?

Your Honor, we just operate in the context of the Peace and Order Councils. Our participation in the POC would also reflect on the participation of other agencies when we conduct this activity, sir.

Direct question, Nalan General. Did you receive any funds from the confidential funds of the OVP in the conduct of these events?

No, sir.

No.

No, sir.

There's no funds coming from, there are no funds coming from the Office of the Vice President. Yes, sir. No funds coming from them. Thank you.

May I ask Yusek Mempin?

Yes, sir.

Yusek Mempin, you are recognized.

Why would certifications be addressed to you?

Your Honor, Mr. Chair, as I mentioned a while ago, I was asked by the Office of the Secretary to get a report from the Office of the Secretary.

And

who in the Office of the Secretary asked you that?

Hindi namang pwedeng magsalita yung office of the secretary, di po ba? So there must be somebody from the office of the secretary who asked you to do that. And may I know who that is?

It's our former chief of staff.

And who might that be?

And who might that be?

Former USEC attorney Mike Powa po, sir. The

USEC Powa? Would you agree to the answer of the USEC MP?

Mr. Chair, Congressman Acop, yes, I confirm that. That you

asked him to ask for the certifications from the different unit commanders of the Philippine Army?

If I may explain, Your Honor, the answer is yes.

Yes po.

So

tama yung sagot sa akin ni

Yusec Memphian,

na

kayo po ang humingi sa kanya.

Your Honor, I request the technical to pause because I have a question or two for the witness.

You may proceed, counsel.

Thank you, Your Honor. Colonel, narinig niyo po yung usapan dun sa naging hearing. Yes, sir.

In your case, sino po ang humingi nung certification?

I was directed by our then commander. of the 1st Infantry Tabac Division, Major General Viray, to draft the certification. He was called by USEC Undersecretary, Med Pincer.

So more or less tama po yung pinag-usapan dito? Yes, sir.

It's according to what you experienced? Yes, sir. Okay. So can we proceed with the playing of the video?

How many more

minutes is that, counsel?

About 3 or 4 minutes, Your Honor. Proceed.

na humingi siya ng certification doon sa mga units ng Philippine Army na nag-conduct ng YLS.

Your Honor, if I may qualify, hindi po specifically on YLS. What I asked for was for any accomplishment kasi po yung ayon doon sa AOM na natanggap namin. Pag nagbigay daw po ng rewards, you needed evidence of success of the information you received from the rewards. I mean, you received through the giving out of rewards. So, because of this, I coordinated with Usec Mempin to provide any proof of accomplishment para po doon sa rewards na na-disburse ng confidential funds.

Thank you. May I ask, you have been in the Army, Yosec Menfin, di ba?

Yes, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. Ano po ang part ng

programang wireless na may kasamang rewards?

Could

you please tell me which part of that program would require the giving or the awarding of rewards?

Which part of the program would require

the gathering of information. Kasi yun po yung purpose ng confidential fund ng DepEd. Apat po yun.

Now, which part of this?

Your Honor, Mr. Chair, for the conduct of YLF per se, there's no... in that particular, any areas of that for the rewards, giving of rewards, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

Basahin ko man ng ilang beses yung programa na yun, walang nagsasabi doon na pwedeng gamitin yung confidential fund ng isang agency. Would you agree with me?

Yes, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

Yes. So, Yosef Pua, mali po yun.

Kasi kitang-kita naman na natin eh, that you asked for these documents to support your liquidation insofar as the Confidential Fund of the Department of Education is concerned.

Kasi hindi naman kaya basically primordial nakasama doon po sa mga events na iyon eh. And yet, you are submitting or you submitted to COA documents to support your liquidation of the Confidential Fund of the Department of Education. Wala eh. Kahit na anong basa ko.

Kasi, for your information, Yosef Powa, naging controller ako ng pulis eh. Kaya alam ko kung ano ang sinasabi nitong mga membro ng Philippine Army ngayon eh.

Alam ko rin na ginagamit nyo lang yun para i-justify yung expenditure nyo ng confidential fund ng Department of Education.

Counsel, can you already pause it here?

to justify. Attorney Ray. Your Honor, just one minute more, Your Honor.

This

is already Congressman Acop speaking.

Yes, Your Honor. There was an answer. I don't want to end it here because if I remember, there is a response from USEC POA and I don't want to cut it here because makasabihin po nila pinuputol ko yung sagot niya.

Mag-object na nga si Attorney Lindon. Anyway,

Your Honor, I can end it here.

End it here, counsel. You can present this part when you call or after you call Attorney Poa, if you want.

Well, Your Honor, I don't know what the objection of counsel would be but we can address it because the only reason that these are not accepted as proof of the truth is if the respondent will have no opportunity to present the witness to correct, Your Honor. These are senior personnel of the DepEd. They are senior aides. And they were making public statements under oath, Your Honor.

Yes, counsel. But we are dealing with Colonel Boransing here.

He has no relation anymore to the statements of the late Congressman.

I was just going to ask him in relation to the explanation given by DepEd, in relation to the certification issue, Your Honor.

You may proceed, counsel. I think he has heard enough in relation to that.

Sige

po. Ang pagkaka, kung nakapanood niyo po, Colonel, ang paliwanag po noong USEC ng DepEd na sinasabi niya na hiningan daw po sila ng certification, nagkaroon ng AOM, hiningan sila ng proof ng success noong paggastos nila ng reward at naisip daw niya yung certification nyo kasi nakalagay doon na may coordination ng DepEd, baka daw po sakaling nagamit yun at yun ang naging nabigay sa inyo yung information dahil sa kanilang confidential information, confidential operation, at yun ang dahilan kung bakit niya in-attach yung certification doon sa sagot sa AOM.

Your Honor, can the prosecution be directed to just ask the question?

Kindly simplify the question, counsel. I know where you're getting at. Ask the question directly.

Sige po. I'll just... Okay. Let me just ask a few preliminary questions before I ask our ultimate question, Your Honor. Colonel, para lang po sa kaalaman ng lahat, tanong ko lang po, ano po yung area ng operations ng 1st Infantry Division?

Currently, sir, or 2023, sir?

Yung pong 2023?

Yes, sir.

The area of operation of the 1st Infantry Division during 2023 are the provinces of Lanao del Norte, Lanao del Sur, Zamboanga del Sur, Zamboanga del Norte, Zamboanga Sibugay, Misamis Occidental, and parts of Misamis Oriental, Sir.

I understand that's called Zamboanga Peninsula?

Yes, sir.

Ngano po katagal na kayong naka-station dyan, yung unit niyo?

I couldn't, I'd have to look at the historical records for the specific date but I think the 1st Infantry Division transferred there after I think late 70s or early 80s, sir.

So

dekada na po?

Yes, sir.

Tama po ba?

Yes, sir.

So, siguro kung late 70s or 80s, mga 50 years?

So you

have been embedded there for 50 years. Ang tanong ko po, kung mayroon pong ahensya ng gobyerno na magko-conduct ng intelligence or confidential information sa area of operations nyo, ano po ba yung karaniwang SOP?

May I clarify sir, SOP of the army or the police?

Ano po yung SOP na ginagawa ng mga ahensya ng gobyerno? Lalong pag sila ay magko-conduct ng intelligence or confidential information sa area ng kagaya niyong army unit.

Objection, Your Honor. Speculative, incompetent.

No, Your Honor, I'm just asking about this standard operating procedure, Your Honor.

The witness is supposed to know, Your Honor.

The prosecution is asking the SOP of other agencies, Your Honor.

No, I'm asking the supposed SOP of other agencies.

What

are you leading at counsel? Still in relation to the document being submitted as part of DepEd's liquidation?

Yes, Your Honor. In relation to the explanation given by the DepEd during the hearing on 17 October 2024.

With the indulgence of counsels. Colonel Boransing, sinumiti po, sinimuti po ng DepEd bilang bahagi ng sagot nila sa AOM, yung certification na pinirmahan po ninyo, maliban doon sa ibang certifications na in-stipulate kanina, bilang patunay na naging matagumpay yung kanilang confidential operations. Una, nalalaman niyo po ba yan?

No, sir. I am not an intelligence officer, sir. So, I'm not privy to any intelligence officers.

Pangalawa. Binanggit nyo po kanina na walang binigay at wala kayong tinanggap na pera mula sa DepEd. Wala rin binigay na pera ang DepEd sa AFP o sa 1st Infantry "Tabak" Division o sa unit ninyo. Tama po ba?

Yes, sir.

But would you know if DepEd spent on that activity on their own people because you collaborated with DepEd on that activity? Would you know? Sabi nyo kanina kasi KKB eh.

Yes, sir. What I know is they arrived there. They were there during the youth leadership summits and traveling, as I know in the government, entails expenses and permission to leave the post, sir.

Alam niyo ba na confidential funds ang ginastos para dun sa expenses na iyon o hindi pa?

I have no knowledge about the source of funds, sir.

So you can confirm that no money was given to the AFP or any of its units or...

anyone for anyone in your unit but that DepEd must have spent money on the activities.

I can only speak for the 1st Infantry "Tabak" Division Philippine Army, sir. No funds were downloaded to our specific unit, sir.

But it is very possible that DepEd spent on the YLS and the IECs.

Yes, sir.

Final question. Did you spend intelligence or confidential funds for these activities on the part of the AFP?

Or

was this part of your regular programming, as you said earlier, chargeable against your regular budget?

It's part of the regular budget, sir. But if I may explain, sir, so that the...

You may, sir.

Yes, sir.

The conduct of the Youth Leadership Summit is part of the campaign, sir. So it involves civil-military operations, combat operations, and intelligence operations. Although I cannot comment about the intelligence operations, sir, but they are interlinked and mutually supporting. So, all Army and AFP operations are intelligence-driven, sir.

So, it's possible that intelligence funds were spent by the AFP in regard or in relation to these activities?

Yes, sir.

Your witness, counsel.

Thank you, Your Honor.

You may proceed

from there.

Ang tanong ko po, balikan ko lang po yung tanong. Di po ba kanina nasabi nyo na ilang dekada na po kayo dyan sa Zamboanga Peninsula?

Ang tanong ko lamang po kung merong ahensya ng gobyerno na magkoconduct ng intelligence or confidential information sa area ninyo, meron po bang SOP na dapat sundan?

Vague, Your Honor.

Vague, incompetent.

What's your response, Atty. Rey, to the objection?

Your Honor, it's a simple question, Your Honor. If there is an SOP followed by military units.

Your Honor, the witness already mentioned that he is not an intelligence officer. I'm not talking about...

If he knows, counsel, if he knows. If he doesn't, then let that be his response. Colonel Boransing, you may answer, sir.

Thank you, Your Honor. I... I wouldn't know, sir, because, again, sir, I'm not an intelligence officer. I'm

a civil-military officer.

May coordination po bang ginawa yung DepEd noong umano'y nag-conduct sila ng intelligence or confidential information noong 2023 sa area ninyo?

Pleading, Your Honor.

Reform counsel.

So, meron po bang SOP pag magko-conduct ng operations sa area ng isang Kagayan yung division ng Army.

Leading, leading, Your Honor, as you've answered.

So, what

is the SOP, sir?

Just to get over the hump, counsel, please reform. What is the

SOP, sir? As you've answered, Your Honor. Wala pang sagot, sir.

I'll allow it, counsel. Again, just to get over this hump.

Yes, sir. Thank you, Your Honor.

I don't know, sir.

It's not my field of expertise, sir. Again, I'm an infantry operations officer and a civil-military operations officer. It's a completely different field, sir.

We submit, sir. We will move on to another point.

Is there a chance you will finish your direct, counsel, before lunch?

I'll try to finish, Your Honor.

Kindly do so. Kindly try to do so without pressuring you, counsel.

I have several pages...

Please proceed

Sabi po kanina noong Usec ng DepEd. Kaya daw po niya isinama yung certification nyo doon sa kanilang sagot sa AOM ay baka dakaw sakali doon sa information na ipinrovide ng DepEd ay galing sa confidential operations. Kaya niya ginamit yung certification niya. Ngayon, ito po yung tanong ko.

Sino po sa DepEd? or related parties, ang nag-relay sa, o anong informasyon ang binigay nila sa inyo patungkol doon?

Objection, Your Honor. The question is premised on hearsay, Your Honor. No, it's hearsay.

It's not hearsay, Your Honor. They're claiming that to be the fact, Your Honor. I'm just asking him if that is the fact, did they receive any information and from whom?

Hearsay, Your Honor, and misleading, Your Honor.

Counsel, I even doubt if Colonel Boransing would understand or... Let's see, Colonel Boransing, do you understand the question? Can you answer?

I was about to ask clarifications.

That was uh, I would have sustained on that. Kindly clarify your question, counsel.

Sino po sa DepEd ang nag-relay ng information sa inyo tungkol umano sa kanilang confidential information?

Na nakuha nila para daw sabihan kayo kung saan at kailan dapat niyong ganapin yung YLS at IEC activities niyo.

Objection, Your Honor. No basis, compound, misleading.

There's basis, Your Honor, because that's the claim.

I would have to sustain, counsel, for being compound. And again, The witness might have difficulty answering the question. Kindly simplify your question.

I will reform the question. Mayroon po ba kayong natanggap o sino po sa DepEd ang nagbigay ng information sa inyo tungkol sa kung saan dapat nyo i-conduct yung inyong YLS at IEC operations?

Same objection, Your Honor. No basis, Your Honor. Witness has yet been qualified to... answer that question, Your Honor.

I'm the Civil-Military Operations Chief.

With the counsel's indulgence, Colonel Boransing, sa pagpili po ba ng area kung saan nyo ko-conduct ang YLS at saka IEC, meron bang input ang DepEd kaugnay niyan gamit ang di umano confidential information mula sa kanila o mula sa informants nila? Meron po ba o wala dun sa walong area?

Sir, in the eight areas, sir, where the Youth Leadership Summit were conducted, sir, there were some inputs from the DepEd, sir, because some of the areas are schools, sir, and many of the participants are students, sir. So definitely, sir, they were involved in the planning and the choosing of the areas, sir.

Sino yung nagbigay po ng inputs? Anong level sa DepEd?

If I could look at my records, sir.

You can look at your records, sir.

Let's still refer to Lanao del Sur as an example, Colonel Boransing.

Yes, sir.

The one you did in Marawi.

While we're waiting, Attorney Ray, kindly speak closer to the mic so that our TSN people can more accurately get your statements and words.

Yes, Colonel Boransing. Sino po si Deped?

Your Honor, it's not specified here, the specific name. What's specified here is it was conducted in the municipal gymnasium of Maging Lanao del Sur, sir.

Do you remember if it was a local Deped official in the area or a national Deped official that gave you inputs?

It's usually the school principal, the superintendent of a particular school district, the regional officers of the DepEd, sir, that we coordinate with.

Usually walang national DepEd official?

National meeting, sir, from the head office.

From the central office.

In my experience in 2023, sir, there was none, sir.

Still speaking of your experience in 2023, would you characterize inputs given by DepEd insofar as the conduct of these YLS and IECs to be confidential in nature or the product of confidential activities?

I cannot comment on if it's a product of a confidential activity, sir, but what they... provided us were more of information on the schools schedules of specific schedules of the school year where the students may be allowed to join the youth leadership summit and of course permission to talk with the students.

Is it possible that some confidential information were obtained and that was the product of the confidential information they contained?

I have no knowledge about that sir.

Your witness, Attorney Robles.

Thank you, Your Honor. Can I proceed now?

You may proceed, Counsel.

Colonel, yung pong unit niyo, CMO, Civil-Military Operations unit, kayo po yung sabi niyo kanina, ang directang nakatutok sa YLS at IEC activities.

Pag nagko-conduct po kayo ng YLS, at IEC activities. Ano pong operations ang ginagawa ng unit nyo para masigurado na maayos at matiwasay na maida-daos yung activities nyo?

Yes, sir. I think it's basically organizational in nature. Planning, implementation, after-activity reviews and calling the subject-matter experts, asking permission from the parents and school of the youth, and then making sure that they enjoy themselves while conducting the activities.

Mayroon po bang ibang units ng division nyo na tumutulong para siguraduhin na maayos at mapayapang maidaos yung inyong YLS at IEC activities.

Leading, Your Honor.

Alin pong mga units ng inyong division ang tumutulong para masiguradong mapayapa at maayos na maisagawa ang inyong YLS activities.

Relevance, Your Honor.

Witness may answer. Overruled.

Yes,

Sir.

Thank you, Your Honor, Sir.

These youth leadership summits are usually conducted in high-threat areas. because these students and out-of-school youth are usually the target of recruitment for violent extremism. And we use the whole of government and whole of society approach to prevent this. So while conducting this, we try to find a safe place in coordination with DepEd and other stakeholders, but definitely it's in an area of a higher threat level. So while we are conducting the Youth Leadership Summit,

Our infantry units are conducting security operations to ensure that our participants, the activity is not attacked. And of course, the intelligence units also conduct intelligence operations.

So meron po pala kayong intelligence unit, tama po?

Yes, sir.

Ilan pong officers ng inyong infantry division yung tumutulong? sa intelligence operations na ginagawa nyo para matiyak

na

diktas at matagumpay na maisagawa itong YLS at IEC activities ninyo?

It's case-to-case basis, Sir. Like for instance, Sir, if it's in Lanao del Sur, it involves a lot more troops. Mga,

when you say a lot more troops, gaano po kadami?

Well, again, sir, it depends on the specific area, sir. If

it's anywhere

from 100 to 200, sir. It depends on the threat level, sir.

Yes, sir. So, hindi lang naman, tama po ba na sabi niyo, whole of government approach? So, basically, hindi lang po CMO at saka intelligence operatives niyo. Lahat din po ng sundalo nyo are involved. Is that what you're trying to say?

Leading, Your Honor.

Witness, may answer?

When you say who will approach...

As I earlier said, sir, a army campaign involves mutually supporting efforts, sir. So, from combat operations to civil-military operations and intelligence operations. So, lahat po kasama po, sir.

Considering what you've said, sir,

In the YLS and IEC activities that you've conducted through the years, ano po yung naging risulta as a result of your efforts?

Thank you, Your Honor.

Witness may answer. They've been doing it for over two decades.

Yes, sir.

I can only, maybe, let me start with 2023, sir. It involves the certification, sir. in our area of operations, specifically for the...

Colonel, let me just stop you. I'll ask you about 2023 later. But my question is, in the years that you've been conducting the YLS and IEC activities, you said that there were efforts also by CMO and intelligence. Ano po yung nagiging resulta noong pagtutulungan niyo?

It definitely has prevented our recruitment, sir, at least in my personal experience, sir. A lot of these children, youth, are usually misinformed. And this was during the time of, there was no internet yet or texting. So sometimes we were the only representatives of the government that this, we usually have the Youth Leadership Summit and far-flung areas and when the inter-agency technical working group goes up, it's most of the time the first time that they have seen representatives from the government. So, yeah, it's a big part of why the threat level all over the country has gone down. So,

ano po yung sabi niyo, successful po?

Yes, sir.

Ngayon, ang tanong ko po sa inyo,

Anyway, ang tanong ko po, just an estimate, sir. Ayokong tanong yung exact figures. Ganon po kadaming tao ang strength or number of personnel ng isang division?

Relevance, Your Honor.

We'll show the relevance, Your Honor.

I'll allow it, counsel. Kindly move on, counsel.

Witness may answer.

Yes, sir. I think it's a public record how many soldiers we have for specific division, but more or less 5,000, sir.

5,000?

Yes, sir.

So, ito po yung mga naging kasagutan nyo. Meron po kayong around 5,000 troops in the area, estimate.

Dekada na po kayong naandun. May sarili kayong civilian military operations team. Meron kayong intelligence operatives. At taon-taon ginagawa nyo na ito at sabi nyo ngayon, successful naman. Ang tanong ko po,

anong nangyari noong 2023?

Bakit biglang kailangang gumastos ng confidential funds ang DepEd? para lang matsabi sa inyo

kung

saan nyo dapat gawin iyong inyong YLS at IEC activities, Sir.

Objection, Your Honor. Big misleading, no basis, Your Honor.

And witness would be incompetent to answer if indeed, because earlier he said he is not aware if indeed DepEd spent confidential funds or not.

But that DepEd spent for their participants, right, Colonel?

Yes, sir.

That's the claim of the DepEd, sir. We're trying to ask him.

Again, the presiding officer sustained the objection on the ground that the witness is incompetent.

Thank you, Your Honor.

We'll just move to

another point, Your Honor. To answer on the supposed claim of the respondent.

Please proceed, counsel. Move on.

Okay. Colonel.

Just right in time. I'll ask my final question, Your Honor. Ngayon pong nalaman niyo na kung saan po ginamit yung certification niyo. Ginamit po sa pagsagot sa AOM ng COA para maipasa yung pinlag na 15.54 million na pinaggamitan daw ng confidential funds at ibinayad sa rewards.

Kung kayo po ay hihingan ng certification ngayon, sa tingin niyo po ba dapat niyong in-issue yan?

Argumentative, Your Honor. Speculative, argumentative.

If it's his final question, counsel, I will allow it. If you know, Colonel Boransing, if you can answer.

I'd like to clarify.

Yes. Knowing what you know now, that it was used for this purpose, would you have issued it if you were requested to do that?

Your Honor, we register a

continuing objection.

Continuing objection is noted. Witness may answer in the manner he deems fit.

Yes, sir. As I answered during the congressional hearing and you could check it in YouTube, sir, it's very speculative. It did not happen that I had prior knowledge and it's hard to speculate what I would have done. Yes, sir. So, I can't answer.

That's your answer. So, thank you very much, Colonel. Thank you very much. Thank you.

An appropriate time to pause? Attorney Lindon?

Yes, Your Honor.

Yes, Your Honor.

Let's pause for a lunch break and shall resume at 12.45.

Colonel, you... Kindly take your lunch, sir. Relax. But the admonition and reminder of the chair applies during recess. You can speak to your counsel as long as it is not about what you just testified on and will be testifying on.

Thank you, Your Honor.

Thank you.

Trial is in recess.

Let us

resume.

Kindly situate Colonel Boransing to the witness stand.

Clerk of Court, Trawasa.

Magandang hapon po muli, Colonel. Magpapatuloy po kayo sa inyong testimonya sa ilalim ng nauna niyo pong panunumpa kaninang umaga. Naunawa niyo po iyon?

Yes, Your Honor, Sir. Thank you, Sir.

Direct was finished before lunch. We now proceed to the cross-examination by counsel for the respondent, Attorney Lindon. You may proceed, sir, when you're ready.

Nothing to cross-examine, Your Honor.

Given

that there is no cross, we proceed to the interventions of senator-judges. Senator-Judge Tulfo, Erwin, for his interjection. Annika, kindly. And thereafter, Senator-Judge Risa Hontiveros. Aniga, kindly. And then, Senator-Judge Villanueva, kindly write down and then relay it to the chair. Senator-Judge Tulfo, you may proceed. You have two minutes, sir.

Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer, sir.

Colonel Boransing, kung wala po kayong natanggap na pondo from DepEd o para sa 8 Youth Leadership at sa 53 Information Education Campaign noong 2023, Kaya anong pondo po? Saan kayo kumuha ng budget para dito?

Yes, sir.

Sir, good afternoon, sir. The funds for the army participants, sir, for coordination and other expenses of the army participants to the Youth Leadership Summit is programmed by the army, sir, through its budget, sir.

Pero nasa civil-military operations po kayo di po ba? Tama po ba ito?

Yes, Your Honor, sir.

Alright. Wala po talaga yung natanggap na kahit na anong suporta, not financially, like yung venue man lang, sinagot ma rin ng DepEd o pagkain o learning modules sa mga events po na ito?

Sir, some of the venues are schools, sir.

Okay.

So in that sense, sir, tumulong, sir, and making available some of their subject matter experts, sir.

Okay. Sino po sa DepEd or any ranking officials na nag-request para mag-issue po ang office ninyo na certification patungkol po sa YLS and IEC activities?

Sir, it was then Undersecretary Mempin, Sir.

Undersecretary na DepEd,

Mempin?

Yes, Sir, during that time, Sir.

Alam mo ba yung dokumento na pinirmahan mo ay gagamitin sa COA audit para sa liquidation ng DepEd Confidential Fund?

No, sir. I did not know that, sir.

During that time, you did not know?

Yes, sir.

But if you, ika nga, no, na gagamitin yun sa ganun, papipirma ka ba?

As I earlier said, it's hard to speculate, sir, as what I would have done if I had known, sir, since hindi naman po, sir.

I understand. Nakatanggap po ako ang inyong division o sino mang opisyal. sa inyong dibisyon bilang reward money or monetary incentive from DepEd regarding student profiling or anti-insurgency campaign.

Sir, we checked sir, wala pong na-release from any government agencies, specifically yung DepEd sir, doon sa 1st Infantry "Tabak" Division, sir.

Okay, one last two questions. Did you clear from your higher authorities in the issuance of the certification for the DepEd's 2023 Confidential Fund allocation? Ito po ba ay sinabi ninyo, nagpaalam kayo?

Yes, sir. For the issuance of the certificate, sir, it's written there for the commander, sir. So I ask the permission of our commander, sir.

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