WEBVTT 00:06:42.420 --> 00:06:45.100 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: The Sergeant at Arms is directed to make a proclamation. 00:06:47.180 --> 00:06:56.980 Alfredo Sotto Corpuz: All persons are commanded to keep silent under pain of penalty while the impeachment court is in session for the trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte. 00:06:57.970 --> 00:07:06.390 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: The impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte is hereby called to order. Let's pause for a minute of silent prayer. 00:07:23.210 --> 00:07:28.330 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: In Jesus' name, Amen. The Clerk of Court will now call the roll. 00:07:31.980 --> 00:08:14.650 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Sen. Judge Cayetano Allan, Sen. Judge Cayetano Pia, Sen. Judge De La Rosa, Sen. Judge Ejercito, Sen. Judge Estrada, Sen. Judge Goque, Sen. Judge Hontiveros, Sen. Judge Lacson, Sen. Judge Lapid, Sen. Judge Legarda, Sen. Judge Marcoleta, Sen. Judge Marcos, Sen. Judge Padilla, Sen. Judge Pangilinan, Sen. Judge Soto III, Sen. Judge Tulfo Erwin. Senator-Judge, Tulfo Rafi, Senator-Judge, Villanueva, Senator-Judge, Villar Camil, Senator-Judge, Villar Marc, Senator-Judge, Zubiri, The Presiding Officer, Senator-Judge, Escudero, The Senate President, Senator-Judge, Cachalian. 00:08:14.790 --> 00:08:28.920 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: With 16 Senator-judges present, the Chair declares the presence of a quorum. In accordance with the Rules of Procedure on Impeachment Trials, the Chair now recognizes the newly elected Procedure Officer to preside over the proceedings of the Impeachment Court. 00:08:30.690 --> 00:08:34.170 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: I stand corrected. We have 17 Senator-Judges present. 00:08:36.430 --> 00:08:46.910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Mr. Senate President. If there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the September 21, 2026 Journal of the Senate sitting as an Impeachment Court and consider the same as approved. 00:08:48.530 --> 00:08:51.550 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Clerk of Court will please call the case before the Impeachment Court. 00:08:51.790 --> 00:08:58.070 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Case number 004-2026 in the matter of Impeachment Trial of Vice President Saira Zirman Duterte. 00:09:00.160 --> 00:09:01.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Appearances for the parties. 00:09:01.710 --> 00:09:06.390 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Good morning, Your Honors. Same appearance for the prosecution. We are ready, Your Honor. I 00:09:06.390 --> 00:09:10.230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: presume, Honorable Luistro, that Attorney Erwin will still stand for this case. 00:09:10.230 --> 00:09:11.670 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. 00:09:11.670 --> 00:09:13.010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: For the respondent? 00:09:13.170 --> 00:09:14.670 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Good morning, Your Honor. Same appearance for the respondent... 00:09:14.670 --> 00:09:14.671 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Good morning, Attorney Sheila. 00:09:14.671 --> 00:09:17.510 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: ...accused, Your Honor. 00:09:17.790 --> 00:09:19.270 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Same, Attorney Justin will 00:09:19.270 --> 00:09:19.550 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: also 00:09:19.550 --> 00:09:21.710 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: stand for the respondent? 00:09:21.810 --> 00:09:22.650 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: That's correct, Your Honor. 00:09:23.230 --> 00:09:30.290 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The witness will kindly be please escorted by the clerk of court through the auditorial witness stand. Attorney Del Rosario, please. 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:36.120 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May we request Your Honor that Atty. Erwin Matib be recognized, Your Honor. Yes, 00:09:36.140 --> 00:09:41.340 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: please, ma'am. Atty. Erwin is recognized as well as Atty. Justin for the respondent. 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:41.900 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Thank you, Your Honor. 00:09:57.830 --> 00:10:25.000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bago po tayo magsimula, magandang umaga, Atty. Del Rosario. Paumanhin po kahapon kung hindi ko kayo na-excuse bago po kami nag-asikaso ng mga administrative na mga bagay kahapon at bago po ako mag-adjourn. Hindi ko po makakalimutan gawin yan. Ngayon, pangako ko po sa inyo. Salamat po. Do you understand, Atty. Del Rosario, that you will continue to testify under and based on the same oath you took yesterday? 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:25.600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:10:27.160 --> 00:10:30.240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Salamat po, Atty. Del Rosario. Atty. Justin, are you ready for your cross? 00:10:30.460 --> 00:10:31.760 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes, Your Honor, with the court's permission. 00:10:32.280 --> 00:10:34.140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: When you're ready, you may proceed. 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:36.240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thank you, Your Honor. Turning to my cross. 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.360 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sir Del Rosario, Atty. Del Rosario, magandang umaga po. 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:42.550 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magandang umaga po sa inyo. 00:10:42.550 --> 00:11:00.920 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Good morning. Simulan po natin sir. During your direct examination yesterday, you identified records belonging to several corporations. In general, yung mga records na ito are those on file or are available with the records of the SEC or the Securities and Exchange Commission. Tama po ba? 00:11:00.920 --> 00:11:01.860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:11:01.860 --> 00:11:11.110 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And now, the SEC compiled and produced these documents or these records upon the request of the House of Representatives. Tama po ba? 00:11:12.330 --> 00:11:13.910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Direquest po nila sa amin yan. 00:11:14.050 --> 00:11:23.780 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes. And you confirmed that these corporate records were actually first requested po in relation to the hearings of the House of Representatives Committee on Justice. Naalala niyo po iyon? 00:11:23.780 --> 00:11:24.350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:11:24.350 --> 00:11:32.180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes. And you confirmed that you also testified under oath during that committee hearings before the House of Representatives. Tama po? 00:11:32.180 --> 00:11:32.730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:11:32.730 --> 00:11:38.790 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And can you please confirm, sir, whether this date was on April 22, 2026? Can you recall that? 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:57.220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang matandaan ko po ay ang subpina, ang date po niya is April 14, pero hindi naman po agad kami natanong noon. Patuloy siya, hindi ko na po matandaan yung exactong pecha. Kung kailan po ako natanong during that impeachment proceeding sa Committee 00:11:57.220 --> 00:12:11.210 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: of Justice. Okay lang po, Atty. Delosario. Now, tama po bang sabihin, sir, na yung Securities and Exchange Commission ay nag-compile and release ng corporate documents base po sa informasyon na binigay ng House of Representatives. 00:12:12.070 --> 00:12:15.810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po kung ano po yung kanilang hiniling sa amin yung po ang ibinigay namin. 00:12:16.010 --> 00:12:24.935 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In other words, yung House of Representatives po yung nagbigay ng informasyon at listahan ng mga kumpanya kung anong mga kumpanya ang iko-compile nyo yung mga records nila. 00:12:24.935 --> 00:12:26.110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:12:26.110 --> 00:12:41.970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, kahapon po nung direct examination ni Atty. Matib, you testified and answered, or just please correct me, that you stated na hindi naman po kayo personally aware sa mga contents ng SAL-N ng ating VC Presidente. Tama po ba? 00:12:42.570 --> 00:12:47.710 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Wala po akong access sa SAL-N ng kahit sino po. 00:12:47.970 --> 00:12:50.870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Besides your own SAL-N, tama 00:12:50.870 --> 00:12:50.910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: po ba? 00:12:50.910 --> 00:12:52.650 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yun lang pong SAL-N ko ang alam kong 00:12:52.650 --> 00:12:53.620 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: nakikita ko. 00:12:53.620 --> 00:13:12.760 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama. And you confirm also, sir, and just for the record, pakikonfirm na lang po na yung Securities and Exchange Commission natin sa Pilipinas as an office would also have no information about the contents of any salens of other public officers including specifically the salen of the Vice President. Tama po ba? 00:13:13.040 --> 00:13:15.160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Hindi po sa amin ang lagakan 00:13:15.160 --> 00:13:16.120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ng mga salen. 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:36.670 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So yung tanong ko po, at the time when you first compiled and gathered all the documents, corporate records that are on file or maintained by the Securities and Exchange Commission, wala pong personal na knowledge yung SEC na yung mga korporasyon na iyon ay nakadeklara o nakalagay sa salay ng ating vicepresidente? 00:13:37.530 --> 00:13:38.290 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po 00:13:38.290 --> 00:13:38.690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: namin 00:13:38.690 --> 00:13:39.030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: alam. 00:13:39.250 --> 00:13:46.740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In other words, is it correct to say that the SEC merely relied on the information provided by the House of Representatives? 00:13:46.740 --> 00:13:47.430 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Objection. 00:13:47.650 --> 00:14:00.270 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Just to clarify, Your Honor, is the Council is referring to the SEC, Your Honor. Perhaps he should refer to this witness, Your Honor, because SEC, we're talking about an institution, Your Honor. 00:14:01.070 --> 00:14:03.470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: The documents come from the SEC, Your Honor. 00:14:04.070 --> 00:14:09.710 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's a comment, Atty. Justin, anyway. Atty. Erwin, you may proceed, Atty. Justin. 00:14:09.910 --> 00:14:18.530 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat po, Your Honor. Kayo po, kayo po mismo at ang opisina niyo, nag-rely lang po kayo sa impormasyon na pinigay ng House of Representatives. 00:14:18.530 --> 00:14:19.605 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:14:19.605 --> 00:14:35.830 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that as the representative of the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically the Company Registration and Monitoring Department, your testimony Before this court is limited to the records that are maintained by your division. Tama po ba? 00:14:35.830 --> 00:14:36.770 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:51.100 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, kahapon din po, Atty. Del Rosario, nag-identify din po kayo for the first time ng mga summaries na supposedly and according to you, prepared by your office. Do you recall that? 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:53.260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Naalala ko po. 00:14:53.260 --> 00:15:03.780 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And according to you, these summaries were supposedly prepared by the Securities and Exchange Commission upon the request of the Prosecution Panel. Tama po ba? 00:15:03.780 --> 00:15:04.980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:15:04.980 --> 00:15:15.890 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And specifically, this request from the Prosecution Panel of the House of Representatives is through a letter dated September 10, 2026. Tama po ba? 00:15:15.890 --> 00:15:16.810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:15:16.810 --> 00:15:20.880 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At sino po yung pumirma nung letter request na yun galing sa House of Representatives? 00:15:21.520 --> 00:15:25.980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang nakalagda po sa request na yun ay si Congresswoman Louise Stroh. 00:15:26.060 --> 00:15:35.835 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And in relation to that request that we are just discussing now, Atty., You confirmed that your office prepared two separate sets of summaries nung pinakita natin kahapon. 00:15:35.835 --> 00:15:37.000 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:50.330 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Particularly, isa dito is yung may label na tinatawag na Summary of Vice President Duterte Shareholdings tapos sa ibang pages naman, Manassas R. Carpio Shareholdings. Naalala niyo po? 00:15:50.330 --> 00:15:51.860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:15:51.860 --> 00:15:54.160 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kayo po ba yung naglagay ng label na yun? 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:55.020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:15:55.020 --> 00:16:06.385 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. My next question. Now, this summary contains several information relative to articles of incorporation and general information sheets of various corporations. Do you confirm that? 00:16:06.385 --> 00:16:07.430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 00:16:07.430 --> 00:16:12.470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And do you have that document with you now? I'll be going into those documents. 00:16:12.470 --> 00:16:15.040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Dala ko po. Nasa holding room lang yung mga dokument. 00:16:15.040 --> 00:16:28.740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sige. Your Honor, just to allow the witness to have that document since my cross will pertain to that, may we just request that the witness be allowed to secure those documents or if the prosecution... could help and provide the witness with that document. 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:39.040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Your Honor, if I may be clarified, yung summary po, dala ko ngayon, pero yung pinanggalingan po ng buod ng summary ko ay nasa holding room po. 00:16:39.280 --> 00:16:50.840 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ah, okay. I'm referring to particularly po, Atty. Delosario, yung mga summary nasa inyo po. Sige po, please po, pakilabas na lang po kasi may mga tungako in relation to those documents. 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.600 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You already have a copy of that, Atty. Justin, correct? 00:16:53.780 --> 00:17:02.190 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes, Your Honor, we confirm, but Nevertheless, Your Honor, we'd just like to put on record that we haven't been given the letter dated September 10, 2016. 00:17:03.350 --> 00:17:06.430 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: But it's okay, Your Honor. May I proceed, Your Honor? 00:17:06.570 --> 00:17:07.010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Please proceed. 00:17:07.230 --> 00:17:10.130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thank you, Your Honor. Now, hawak nyo na po yung dalawang summary? 00:17:11.490 --> 00:17:12.110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hawak ko na po. 00:17:12.370 --> 00:17:30.620 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now, puntahan po natin yung unang summary po. Yung may informasyon tungkol sa Articles of Incorporation at ng General Information Sheet ng iba't ibang mga kumpanya. Tawagin na lang po natin yung first summary. Tama po ba na 27 pages yan? Pakicheck po. 00:17:32.270 --> 00:17:34.350 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Composed of 27 pages. 00:17:36.560 --> 00:17:37.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:17:37.490 --> 00:18:00.420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Tapos yung pangalawang summary naman po, yung isang summary rather, you confirm that ito yung containing yung title niya, Incorporators Declared in the AOI- by Company, and sa ibang pages naman, Shareholders Declared in the GIS. dash by shareholder. Inukumpirman niyo po ba? 00:18:00.420 --> 00:18:01.270 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:18:01.270 --> 00:18:08.340 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, you confirmed that the second summary or the summary that you are looking at now is composed of 26 pages. Tama po ba? 00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:28.280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pangalawang summary po ay listahan ng mga incorporators. 00:18:28.500 --> 00:18:31.630 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Correct. And it is composed of 26 pages. Yan po yung tanong ko, sir. 00:18:31.630 --> 00:18:32.230 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:18:32.230 --> 00:18:45.620 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now, you confirmed that itong dalawang mga summary na to po that came from your office and was supposedly prepared by your office are undated. or walang date. Tama po ba na nakalagay sa dokumento? 00:18:45.620 --> 00:18:47.030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Walang date. 00:18:47.030 --> 00:18:55.830 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that both these summaries that your office supposedly prepared are also unsigned or walang perma po ng kahit sa sino man. Tama po ba? 00:18:55.830 --> 00:18:57.180 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:18:57.180 --> 00:19:09.060 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that both these summaries that are supposedly again prepared by your office does not have a seal or even the logo of the Securities and Exchange Commission or your division. Tama po ba? 00:19:09.060 --> 00:19:09.710 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:19:11.310 --> 00:19:17.660 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now let's go to the letter dated September 14, 2026 that you signed. Nasa inyo na po? 00:19:17.660 --> 00:19:18.700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nasa akin na po. 00:19:18.700 --> 00:19:39.860 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that in this letter it states, and I quote, and please confirm this, and I quote, To prepare a summary of general information sheet and audited financial statements of the corporations and partnerships in your letter in connection with the impeachment trial of the Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte. You confirm na may paragraph na ganyan? 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:40.540 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. 00:19:40.880 --> 00:20:00.640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And the second paragraph of the same letter dated September 14, 2026 that you also signed, you confirm that it states, and I quote, the Commission respectfully transmits herewith the summaries of GIS and AFS both in electronic and hard copies format. End of quote. You confirm that? 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:01.300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 00:20:01.300 --> 00:20:15.030 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, based on that document po, Atty. Del Rosario, can you please confirm that there is no mention for a request Of a summary of the articles of incorporations. Wala pong nakamention dyan. Tama po ba? 00:20:19.300 --> 00:20:20.660 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po nakasulat. 00:20:24.810 --> 00:20:34.480 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Pasensya po, uminom lang. And you also confirm that there is also no summary, there's also no request rather, of summary of incorporators in that letter request. 00:20:36.980 --> 00:20:38.880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po sa ang trasbital letter, wala po. 00:20:39.280 --> 00:20:59.320 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm, Atty. Del Rosario, that in the general information sheet naman po, Bilang isang kawaninang ating SEC, ang nare-reflect po sa GIS are the current stockholders of the corporation. At iniindicate lang whether yung current stockholders ay incorporator or hindi. Tama po ba? 00:20:59.320 --> 00:21:00.120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:21:00.120 --> 00:21:09.880 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And it does not have a portion where the incorporators of a corporation are declared constantly unlike our articles of incorporation. Tama po ba? 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:10.700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:21:10.700 --> 00:21:29.490 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, despite the absence of a request for a summary of articles of incorporations or incorporators of businesses in the relevant letters, you confirm that in both your summaries, your office supposedly prepared and even included summaries of information relative to articles of incorporation, correct? 00:21:29.730 --> 00:21:32.430 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: I have to object, Your Honor, because the question is misleading. 00:21:34.890 --> 00:21:36.780 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Why is it misleading, Attorney Aaron? 00:21:36.780 --> 00:21:54.170 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: It is misleading, Your Honor, because Council was referring to the September 14, 2026, transmit a letter. That was not the request letter. The request letter was September 10, 2026, which clearly stated the inclusion of articles of incorporation for the summary. 00:21:54.710 --> 00:21:58.830 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Your Honor, we're asking in relation to September 14, 2026. 00:21:59.190 --> 00:22:01.030 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: If there is such a letter. If 00:22:01.030 --> 00:22:04.790 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: there is such... Request with respect to those summaries. 00:22:04.970 --> 00:22:09.330 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: But Your Honor, that September 14 is the transmittal letter from the SEC. 00:22:11.170 --> 00:22:20.490 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Again, if there is such a request, the problem is that the transmittal letter has not yet been furnished with the counsel for the respondent. 00:22:20.490 --> 00:22:20.810 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: That is precisely the point of 00:22:20.810 --> 00:22:23.410 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: the defense, Your Honor. We were never furnished with this request. 00:22:23.410 --> 00:22:23.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I'll allow it. 00:22:25.430 --> 00:22:27.850 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may please answer. Objection overruled. 00:22:28.010 --> 00:22:46.900 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thank you, Your Honor. Maraming salamat po. Atorney, balikan ko lang po. Particularly po sa September 14, 2026 na sinulat ng SEC at yung pinirmahan nyo, hindi naman po sinabi doon na nag-submit kayo ng summaries ng Articles of Incorporation based on the words and those stated in that document. 00:22:47.300 --> 00:22:52.580 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po, hindi nga po nakasulat sa aking transmittal letter about Articles of Incorporation. 00:22:52.920 --> 00:23:00.720 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat po, Delosario. Apologies for interrupting you. And you confirm wala ding nakasulat sa transmittal letter mo yung Incorporators, tama po ba? 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:01.550 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 00:23:01.550 --> 00:23:09.040 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Pero you confirm, nasa summaries na pre-repair niyo, nandun yung mga impormasyon relative to articles in corporation and in corporators, tama? 00:23:09.260 --> 00:23:13.720 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po yung basic na impormasyon sa bawat korporasyon, kaya naisama ko na po siya rin. 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:28.040 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay, I'll take that answer, Atty. Delosario. Now, according to you, after receiving this request from the House of Representatives, you instructed members of your team or your office to work on this request, tama po ba? 00:23:28.040 --> 00:23:28.690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:23:28.690 --> 00:23:38.870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At yan yung sabi niyo, kinumpirma niyo kahapon. Now, it would be correct for me to assume na itong mga empleyado na ito is under your direct supervision po. 00:23:38.870 --> 00:23:39.810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:23:39.810 --> 00:23:45.690 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And these are of course employees of the Securities and Exchange, CMRD. Tama po ba? 00:23:45.690 --> 00:23:48.280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo, ng Departamento po, CRMD. 00:23:48.280 --> 00:23:52.110 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ah, CRMD. Maraming salamat po sa pag-correct sa akin, Sir. Tama po ba? 00:23:52.110 --> 00:23:52.830 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:23:52.830 --> 00:23:56.340 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And ilang membro po yung nagtrabaho dito, kung naalala niyo? 00:23:56.340 --> 00:23:58.055 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Limang tao po. 00:23:58.055 --> 00:24:02.820 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And for the records, can you please name all these five people who helped you work on this? 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:35.880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: At isa pa pong empleyado rin namin na tumulong sa kanya ay si Ms. Pamela Munzon. 00:24:36.430 --> 00:24:57.370 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now, let's go to the first summary that you prepared, Atty. Del Rosario. I notice, sir, that the order of the corporation listed in at least the first four corporations is as follows. Can you please check? The first corporation mentioned is City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation, found on pages 1 and 2, with page 2 being at the back portion of the first leaf. 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:05.590 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po? 00:25:05.590 --> 00:25:06.390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:25:06.390 --> 00:25:13.175 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yung pangalawa naman, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, found on pages 3 and 4, with page 4 being on the back leaf. 00:25:13.175 --> 00:25:14.450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:25:14.450 --> 00:25:18.240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Third is GenCorp Industries, Inc., found on page 5, correct? 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:19.110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:25:19.110 --> 00:25:23.430 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And fourth is Kale88 Foods Corporation, found on page 6, correct? 00:25:26.300 --> 00:25:27.020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:25:27.020 --> 00:25:32.170 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Na kung naalala nyo, ilang korporasyon yung pinaproduce ng House of Representatives sa opisina nyo? 00:25:32.170 --> 00:25:34.120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Around 16 corporations po. 00:25:34.120 --> 00:25:43.100 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: 16 corporations. But you confirm in making that summary, in ordering per corporation, you did not arrange them alphabetically, no? 00:25:43.100 --> 00:25:43.980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po. 00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:49.640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also did not arrange them based on the earliest date of incorporation or the latest date of incorporation, correct? 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:50.400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi rin po. 00:25:50.400 --> 00:26:13.700 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And hindi din siya arranged based on either the highest or the lowest authorized capital stock. Tama po ba? Pero you recall, kahapon, nung nag-direct examination yung prosecution, the direct examination precisely followed. The sequence that is indicated in your summary. Una, yung City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation ang Dinesh Kasa Direct, tama po ba? Naalala nyo? 00:26:13.700 --> 00:26:14.590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:26:14.590 --> 00:26:19.440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At kasunod, Metro City Chow Foods naman, yung Dinesh Kasa Direct, tama po ba? 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:20.560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama rin po. 00:26:20.560 --> 00:26:23.730 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tawangatlo ang Dinesh Kasa Direct, GenCorp Industries, tama po ba? 00:26:23.730 --> 00:26:24.560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:26:24.560 --> 00:26:28.260 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At yung pang-apat, Kale88 Foods Corporation, tama po ba? 00:26:28.260 --> 00:26:28.990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama rin po. 00:26:28.990 --> 00:26:33.550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At nakasunod to sa summary na supposedly, pireneper ng opisina nyo. Tama? 00:26:33.550 --> 00:26:34.050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:26:34.050 --> 00:26:45.520 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now earlier, you confirmed that you received the request on September 10, 2026. Tama po ba? 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:47.840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Natanggap ko po siya ng September... 00:26:47.840 --> 00:26:49.740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: 10. 00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:50.690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ...11 po. 00:26:50.690 --> 00:26:51.640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sorry, yes. 11. 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:56.890 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. At sabi mo kanina limang tao lang po yung gumawa nito. 00:26:56.890 --> 00:26:57.310 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:26:57.310 --> 00:27:07.320 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. So you were able... Okay, let's go to the timelines. You received this September 11. Tama po. And that's a Friday. Tama po ba? 00:27:07.320 --> 00:27:07.690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:27:07.690 --> 00:27:14.020 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And September 12 and 13 are actually Saturdays and Sundays respectively, correct? 00:27:14.020 --> 00:27:14.700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:22.130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you were able to provide the House Prosecution Panel on the following Monday on September 14, 2026, correct? 00:27:22.130 --> 00:27:23.400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po. 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:28.180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kailan niyo po nabigay? Yung transmittal letter niyo kasi sir is September 14, 2026. 00:27:28.180 --> 00:27:29.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kahapon lang po. 00:27:29.080 --> 00:27:35.770 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kapon lang. Pero natapos na po kasi, can you please confirm na natapos na yung summary nung September 14, 2026? 00:27:35.770 --> 00:27:41.440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Natapos po siya ng Monday, September, o Monday na yun, ng hapon. 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:48.060 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ng hapon, 14, 2026. Now, tatlong araw lang po ginawa to ng team nyo na limang tao. 00:27:48.060 --> 00:27:50.020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo, tatlong araw lang po. 00:27:50.020 --> 00:28:10.850 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, I remember yesterday when Atty. Matib asked me to stipulate on these documents, sinabi niya, and I quote, Considering that we have more than 200 exhibits, consisting of more than 3,000 pages. End of quote. Ito din yung mga amount or volume ng documents na in-examine at kinumpile at sinumarize ng five-man team niyo po sa SEC. 00:28:10.850 --> 00:28:12.070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:28:12.070 --> 00:28:16.505 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. That includes working during weekends. Tama po ba? 00:28:16.505 --> 00:28:18.150 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nagtrabaho po ng Sabado. 00:28:18.150 --> 00:28:28.650 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And it includes the process of examination of documents, inputting and typing of data, and review between the documents and the figures appearing therein and those appearing on the summaries that you've prepared. Tama po ba? 00:28:28.650 --> 00:28:29.480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:35.420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Let me conclude. And this is despite the fact that you only received that on September 11, 2026. 00:28:35.420 --> 00:28:36.190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:28:36.190 --> 00:28:49.255 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Maraming salamat. Now, yesterday, you confirmed, nung direct examination niyo, you were made to confirm several corporations identified Yesterday, that did not declare dividends. Naalala niyo po yun? 00:28:49.255 --> 00:28:50.230 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:28:50.230 --> 00:29:00.940 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you also confirmed that for other corporations naman, ang talagang records ng SEC is hindi niyo masabi kasi wala namang po kayong on-file na audited financial statements. 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:03.260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron pong ganon. Meron pong ganon. 00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:22.305 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, let's go to the fact that several corporations did not declare any dividends, no? You are aware naman po, Atty. Del Rosario, at kasi abogado naman po kayo at matagal na po kayo sa SEC, That the power of a corporation to declare dividends is under section 42 of our revised corporation code. 00:29:22.305 --> 00:29:23.630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:29:24.130 --> 00:29:24.770 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And 00:29:24.770 --> 00:29:52.270 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: you confirm that under section 42 of the revised corporation code, it states that, and I quote, the board of directors of a stock corporation may declare dividends out of unrestricted retained earnings which shall be payable in cash, property, or in stock to all stockholders on the basis of the outstanding stock held by them. Naka-flash po siya but you can confirm po if tama yung... 00:29:52.270 --> 00:29:52.640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:59.910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Section 42. Okay. Now you confirm that under Section 42 of the Revised Corporation Code with respect to the... 00:30:05.280 --> 00:30:06.870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po ba? 00:30:06.870 --> 00:30:08.160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:30:20.280 --> 00:30:22.220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:30:29.980 --> 00:30:32.960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Unrestricted retained earnings. Tama po ba ang pagkaintindi ko sa batas? 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:33.370 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:30:33.370 --> 00:30:41.240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now you are also aware, however, na may paragraph 2 itong section 42 ng revised corporation code. Tama po ba? 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:42.430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:30:42.430 --> 00:30:48.200 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And dito po nakalagay yung prohibition on retaining surplus profits. Tama po ba? 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:48.810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:30:48.810 --> 00:31:01.900 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And specifically it states, the prohibition is only that a stock corporation are prohibited from retaining surplus profits. in excess of 100% of their paid-in capital. Tama po ba? 00:31:01.900 --> 00:31:03.520 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:31:03.520 --> 00:31:07.300 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay, may question. Ito po yung paid-in capital. 00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:17.620 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: This is the total amount of cash or property actually contributed by shareholders in relation to the subscribed shares. Tama po ba? 00:31:17.620 --> 00:31:18.610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:31:18.610 --> 00:31:32.870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So sa madaling salita po, ito yung mga amount of shares ng isang kumpanya na payad na talaga ng shareholders whether it be by property or whether it be by cash or other. Other allowable considerations for the purchase of shares. Tama? 00:31:32.870 --> 00:31:33.980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Tama po. 00:31:33.980 --> 00:31:43.800 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kasi pwede naman po para maintindihan po natin na mag-subscribe ng shares sa kumpanya at hindi mo bayaran yung buong subscription. Tama po ba? 00:31:43.800 --> 00:31:44.880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Maari po yan. 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:51.350 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kaya may distinction po sa summary na pre-prepare nyo, amount subscribed at amount paid up. Tama? 00:31:51.350 --> 00:31:52.430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:31:52.430 --> 00:32:01.935 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now let's go back under section 42. What is prohibited is not the fact That a corporation does not issue any dividends. Tama po ba? 00:32:01.935 --> 00:32:03.560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Pakiulit po. 00:32:03.560 --> 00:32:18.960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sorry. I'll do it slowly. Under Section 42, hindi naman prohibited ang hindi pag-declare ng dividendo. Tama po? Dahil sa word na may. What is prohibited is retaining surplus profits in excess by 100% of payment capital. 00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:32:19.970 --> 00:32:24.970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So kapag walang dineklara, hindi naman po illegal yung ginagawa ng mga korporasyon. Tama po ba? 00:32:24.970 --> 00:32:26.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi naman po. 00:32:26.080 --> 00:32:46.100 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Pero kahit na, Under the prohibition on paragraph 42, you agree naman po, Atty. Del Rosario, na may exceptions kung saan pwede po tayong mag-withheld ng declaration of dividendo kahit na nag-exceed na yung surplus profits mo sa paid-in capital. Tama po ba? 00:32:46.260 --> 00:32:47.920 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron pong tatlong exception under 00:32:47.920 --> 00:33:02.800 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: section 42. At ito yung mga exception, just please confirm. A. When justified by definite expansion projects or programs approved by the Board of Directors. Tama po ba? Yan po yung una. Ito yung sa mga abogado tinatawag po 00:33:02.800 --> 00:33:05.790 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: natin na approved expansions for brevity. Tama po? 00:33:05.790 --> 00:33:06.650 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:33:06.650 --> 00:33:24.780 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yung pangalawang exception naman po, when the corporation is prohibited under any loan agreement with financial institution or creditors, whether local or foreign, from declaring dividends without their consent and such consent has not yet been secured. Pwede din po, tama? 00:33:24.780 --> 00:33:25.460 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 00:33:25.460 --> 00:33:29.610 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ito yung mga tinatawag natin na abogado na loan restrictions. Tama po ba? 00:33:29.610 --> 00:33:30.400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:47.340 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, yung pangatlo, when it can be clearly shown that such retention is necessary under special circumstances obtaining in the corporation, such as when there is a need for a special reserve for probable contingencies. Tama po ba? 00:33:47.340 --> 00:33:48.280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po yung pangatlo. 00:33:48.280 --> 00:33:51.900 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ito yung tinatawag natin na special circumstances. Tama po ba? 00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:52.650 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:33:52.650 --> 00:33:58.765 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At kasali dito, Ang yung mga kaso, halimbawa yung kumpanya, may litigation, tama po ba? 00:33:58.765 --> 00:34:00.230 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:34:00.230 --> 00:34:12.555 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. And you confirm, sir, na kapag ginagawa ito ng corporation, meaning invoking those three exceptions, dapat nire-report ito sa audited financial statement? 00:34:12.555 --> 00:34:13.890 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Dapat po. 00:34:13.890 --> 00:34:20.340 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Pero you confirm, sir, in the summary that you prepared, ang nilagay nyo lang, no dividends declared. 00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:21.540 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Objection. 00:34:21.540 --> 00:34:23.710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I'm just asking a confirmation, Your Honor. 00:34:25.770 --> 00:34:26.170 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What 00:34:26.170 --> 00:34:27.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: is your objection, attorney? 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:56.990 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Misleading, your honor, as to the information. All that they put in the summary is no dividends declared because the summary precisely contains more than that information, your honor. It also includes information or columns about appropriation, retained earnings, unrestricted retained earnings. So it's misleading to say that the only information in the summary is... The information that there were no dividends declared. I don't think 00:34:56.990 --> 00:35:30.330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: that was the intention of the question, Attorney Erwin. However, it may nevertheless still be misleading because insofar as that column is concerned, it did not only contain no dividends declared as the witness clarified yesterday upon the questioning of the presiding officer. He clarified that In the illustration of the counsel for the prosecution, hindi siya lahat no dividends declared sa kanyang summary. Iba, no 00:35:30.330 --> 00:35:35.370 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: documents submitted. Sorry for interrupting, Your Honor. I was actually going to touch on those two things, Your Honor. 00:35:35.410 --> 00:35:37.330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. And then in that case, proceed, counsel. 00:35:37.650 --> 00:35:38.070 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes. 00:35:38.070 --> 00:35:41.960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So, ang nakalagay po sa summary is either no dividend declared, tama? 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:42.900 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:45.970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Or sa iba naman, no information, no AFS final. 00:35:45.970 --> 00:35:46.690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: No AFS po. 00:35:46.690 --> 00:36:02.050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama. Correct. Pero sa mga no-dividend declared specifically na mga in-input nyo, ang may correct na walang qualification dun whether the surplus profits of the company already exceeded the paid-in capital. Walang qualification? 00:36:02.050 --> 00:36:03.250 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 00:36:03.250 --> 00:36:14.050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala din qualification dun sa summaries nyo whether the annual financial statements of the corporation disclose exceptions under section 42 to justify non-declaration of dividends? 00:36:14.050 --> 00:36:14.730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 00:36:14.730 --> 00:36:15.570 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 00:36:15.570 --> 00:36:25.010 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, you or the SEC do not have even personal knowledge whether those exceptions were invoked by any of those corporations. Tama po ba? 00:36:25.010 --> 00:36:27.020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Check ko lang po yung aking notes. 00:36:27.020 --> 00:36:30.420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Please do. For the record, Your Honor, the witness is checking notes. 00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:36.900 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: May we just request a representative from the defense to peruse the memorandum or notes being used by the witness. 00:36:37.100 --> 00:36:41.220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Similarly, assisting counsel for the prosecution is authorized to... 00:36:43.430 --> 00:36:46.950 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Assist and view the documents being perused by the witness. 00:37:29.740 --> 00:37:31.190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po sa notes ko. 00:37:31.190 --> 00:37:34.460 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. At wala din po sa dalawang summaries. Tama po ba? 00:37:34.460 --> 00:37:36.030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 00:37:36.030 --> 00:37:55.010 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat, Atty. Del Rosario. Now, yesterday, during the interjections of some of our good senator-judges, you were also asked about what income could the Vice President and Manassas R. Carpio could possibly derive from these corporations given the absence of declaration of dividends. Naalala niyong portion na iyon? 00:37:55.010 --> 00:37:55.615 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 00:37:55.615 --> 00:38:10.800 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: But you confirm that the SEC or the Securities and Exchange Commission has no record or information about the income that the Vice President received during the years that she was a private individual and exerciser profession. 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala naman po tayong recording dyan sa SEC. Wala po kaming ganong informasyon. 00:38:14.120 --> 00:38:24.420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And no record as well about the income that was derived by Atty. Manassas R. Carpio in relation to his several years of practice of profession. Tama po ba? 00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:25.510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 00:38:25.510 --> 00:38:36.520 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm as well that the SEC has no record of the compensation income of the Vice President during the years that she was the Vice Mayor, Mayor, and the Vice President or a Public Officer. Tama? 00:38:36.520 --> 00:38:38.615 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming ganong informasyon. 00:38:38.615 --> 00:38:46.840 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala ding information yung SEC at hindi po ito yung opisina ng gobyerno na nagre-record whether nakantanggap sila ng mga inheritance. 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:48.000 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:53.550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Hindi din sila yung nagre-record whether there was sales of properties, real properties specifically. 00:38:53.550 --> 00:38:54.775 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:38:54.775 --> 00:39:04.470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At hindi din ito yung institution ng ating gobyerno na nag-a-appraise ng mga value ng mga lupain na nakadeklara sa mga salihin or mga lupain in general. 00:39:04.470 --> 00:39:06.730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po mandato ng aming tanggapan yan. 00:39:06.730 --> 00:39:26.960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And all it has, specifically, relative to the possible income of the Vice President and her spouse, are those declarations or non-declarations of dividends which are available in your records. Tama po ba? At yan lang po yung kaya niyong Itestigo sa impeachment court na ito. 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:27.330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung 00:39:27.330 --> 00:39:32.650 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ano lamang po ang laman ng dokumentong na request sa amin, yun lang po ang kaya naming sabihin dito. 00:39:32.890 --> 00:39:53.735 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat, Atty. Del Rosario. Kahapon din, you were asked about circumstances that could possibly justify bakit po wala yung pangalan ng vicepresidente sa mga general information sheet na in-identify niyo. Specifically, you discussed matters relating to trust agreements. Naalala niyo pa ba yun? 00:39:53.735 --> 00:39:54.355 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:39:54.355 --> 00:40:01.640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, this was asked in relation specifically to the corporation GenCorp Industries, Inc. Could you recall that? 00:40:01.640 --> 00:40:02.450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes, sir. 00:40:02.450 --> 00:40:11.520 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: However, you confirm, sir, that your mention of a trust agreement yesterday was not based on information available to the SEC. 00:40:11.520 --> 00:40:12.640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:40:12.640 --> 00:40:20.050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ito lang po yung opinion nyo base sa experience nyo. bilang isang empleyado at officer sa SEC natin. Tama? 00:40:20.050 --> 00:40:20.750 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:40:20.750 --> 00:40:34.770 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also confirm, sir, that you have no personal knowledge whether there is any trust agreement between the Vice President or any of the registered shareholders in GenCorp Industries Inc. or other corporations. Tama po ba? 00:40:34.770 --> 00:40:35.430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:40:35.430 --> 00:40:48.430 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, sir, you can confirm that trust agreements are generally not required to be submitted with the Securities and Exchange Commission Kasi, itong mga agreements na to, between the parties naman. Tama po ba? 00:40:48.430 --> 00:40:49.090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:40:49.090 --> 00:40:52.910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Pero, yung exception dito ay ang mga voting trust agreements. 00:40:52.910 --> 00:40:53.600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama. 00:40:53.600 --> 00:41:10.560 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po. Kasi, sa ilalim ng ating batas, Section 58 of the Revised Corporation Code, kapag may voting trust agreement, dapat sinusumite, specific po yung batas natin, ang certified true copy ng voting trust agreement na yan sa commission or SEC. Tama po ba? Naalala nyo yan? 00:41:10.560 --> 00:41:11.040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:23.750 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm, sir, that in the records that you... Perused and reviewed. For all these corporations, including GenCorp Industries Inc., walang voting trust agreement na CTC na sinumite sa kumpanya niyo. 00:41:23.750 --> 00:41:25.730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala pong application on that. 00:41:25.730 --> 00:41:36.920 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So you confirm, sir, that your testimony relating to trust agreements in general or that hypothetical scenario is only based on possibility and speculation. Tama po ba? 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:37.920 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Objection. 00:41:38.540 --> 00:41:39.660 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Misleading, Your Honor. 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:50.000 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I am not. I am asking the witness to confirm whether my statement is correct. I am not saying that statement was misleading or speculation. Your Honor, 00:41:50.080 --> 00:41:51.060 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: the witness is not 00:41:51.060 --> 00:41:51.880 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: speculating. 00:41:53.020 --> 00:42:03.820 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank you, Your Honor. Witness is not speculating, Your Honor. He's testifying on the basis of his more than 30 years of experience with the SEC, Your Honor. He's not merely speculating. 00:42:06.200 --> 00:42:10.240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If you know... If he knows, counsel, I'll allow it. 00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:13.510 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat. Thank you, Your 00:42:13.510 --> 00:42:13.710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Honor. 00:42:14.130 --> 00:42:23.750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If the objection is with respect to the word speculating, then he can, he's a lawyer, he can say whether he is or he's not. Atty. 00:42:23.850 --> 00:42:25.000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Delosario, kindly answer. 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:37.275 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pong tungkol sa trust agreement ay hindi ko naman po pinapatungkol na meron itong kumpanya na ito. Kundi umiisip lang po, tinatanong ko, kung meron bang posibilidad na nangyayari ito. 00:42:37.275 --> 00:42:41.640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So you confirm 00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:50.740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: possibility or kuru-kuru lang po? Tama? Maraming salamat, Atty. Del Rosario. Now, Atty. Del Rosario, sabihin nyo lang po if kailangan kayong uminom ng tubig. Okay 00:42:50.740 --> 00:42:50.860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: na 00:42:50.860 --> 00:42:51.590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. Nakainom na. 00:42:51.590 --> 00:43:04.270 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thank you po. Another way also to check if a person's ownership is in a corporation despite the fact na hindi siya nag-a-appear as shareholder is looking into the Beneficial Ownership Declaration form. Tama po ba? 00:43:04.270 --> 00:43:05.415 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:43:05.415 --> 00:43:11.650 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At noon, sinusummit ito kasama ng GIS at ngayon meron na po tayong harbor system. Tama po ba? 00:43:11.650 --> 00:43:12.560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:43:12.560 --> 00:43:25.740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, sa summaries nyo, wala po tayong nilagay na any summary in relation to the names or people declared in those beneficial ownership declaration forms. Tama po ba? 00:43:25.740 --> 00:43:27.815 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po akong nilagay. 00:43:27.815 --> 00:43:38.150 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Nevertheless, you confirmed that beneficial ownership declarations only reveal if there is some sort of beneficial or legal ownership. Correct? 00:43:38.150 --> 00:43:39.110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:43:39.110 --> 00:43:46.210 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Hindi ito nagre-reveal kung meron kang investment sa korporasyon kasi hindi naman ito beneficial ownership. Tama? 00:43:48.810 --> 00:43:58.840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po akong... siguro masasabi kong incompetent ako on that dahil hindi po dumaraan sa aking department ang tungkol sa beneficial ownership form. 00:43:58.840 --> 00:43:59.440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:06.280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kaya wala rin po akong nilagay na anumang informasyon dahil... Wala po akong access sa dokumentong iyan. 00:44:06.340 --> 00:44:22.640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: It's okay, Atty. Maraming salamat po for being candid. I'll just ask if you're aware, given your position. Now, are you aware, dinedeklara ba ang may mga credits sa Beneficial Ownership Form? Halimbawa, may utang sa iyo yung korporasyon. Kailangan ka bang ilagay ng korporasyon doon? 00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:30.920 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi nga. Incompetent po ako dyan dahil hindi ko pa rin po alam kung ano ang mga detalye na nasa forms ng BO declaration. 00:44:31.560 --> 00:44:47.160 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay, my next question is actually, abogado at public officer kayo. Now you are aware that under business disclosure requirement of the SAL-N na nagsusumiti dun po kayo, hindi lang naman limitado sa shareholdings ang dapat i-declare under that disclosure. Tama po ba? 00:44:47.160 --> 00:44:47.960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:44:47.960 --> 00:45:34.510 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, as a public officer and as a prudent public officer at that, you are aware of the latest 2025 Omnibus SAL-N rules specifically. Section 62, it describes it and defines it as I quote, Nature of business interest or financial connection refers to existing interest or connection in any business enterprise whether as a proprietor, investor, promoter, partner, shareholder, officer, managing director, executive, creditor, lawyer, legal consultant, and then it goes on and the like. Tama po ba? So kahit hindi ka shareholder sa isang kumpanya, kung meron ka nito, Itong i-enumerate and the like, dapat i-deklara pa rin sa business disclosure. 00:45:34.970 --> 00:45:44.050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung ikaw po ay may interest sa mga bagay niyan at alam mong part siya ng iyong pag-aari o yaman, eh dapat mong ilagay. 00:45:44.310 --> 00:45:55.410 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat po. Sunod, kahapon, tinanong din po kayo, I just don't recall specifically who, about Section 13, Article 7 of the Constitution. You recall that? 00:45:55.410 --> 00:45:57.450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Iaalala ko po. 00:45:58.990 --> 00:46:03.950 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, pardon if I have to ask this question po, Atty. Batu, but this is just for the record. 00:46:05.050 --> 00:46:08.010 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Excuse me, Your Honor, the witness is not Atty. Batu. Pardon, 00:46:08.110 --> 00:46:08.790 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Your Honor. Atty. 00:46:08.850 --> 00:46:10.110 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Batu is done with her testimony. 00:46:10.110 --> 00:46:10.350 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I'm done 00:46:10.350 --> 00:46:21.910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: with Atty. Batu. My apologies. But I will proceed. Atty. Delosario, rather. As the Executive Director of the SEC, CRMD, it is not your function... 00:46:23.780 --> 00:46:24.450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Direktor lang po. 00:46:24.450 --> 00:46:29.190 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Direktor, sorry. Direktor, it is not your function, of course, to interpret the Constitution. 00:46:29.190 --> 00:46:30.610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:46:30.610 --> 00:46:39.560 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So your interpellation or interjection and comments in relation to Section 13, Article 7 of the Constitution, is based on your own understanding as a lawyer. 00:46:40.730 --> 00:46:43.830 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Yun po ang aking pagkakaunawa sa provision na yan. 00:46:43.850 --> 00:46:46.110 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And that was your opinion as a lawyer. Tama po ba? 00:46:46.110 --> 00:46:47.155 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:46:47.155 --> 00:47:01.260 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: However, you confirm that as a lawyer, Section 13, Article 7 of the Constitution, Atty. Del Rosario, uses the term, and I quote, participate in any business, end of quote. Do you confirm that, sir? 00:47:01.260 --> 00:47:04.160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Naka-flash po siya sa screen. Yan po yung nakalagay. 00:47:04.160 --> 00:47:10.040 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: It does not say, and I quote, have interest in any business, end of quote. Correct? 00:47:10.040 --> 00:47:11.910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po ako i-correct ni 00:47:11.910 --> 00:47:13.150 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: President Officer Capal. 00:47:13.290 --> 00:47:19.670 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And it does not say, and I quote, have shares in any corporation, end of quote. Tama po ba? 00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:21.300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala pong sinabi. 00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:36.830 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now yesterday, you also briefly Discussed the prohibition against the conflict of interest under Republic Act 6713 or the Code of Conduct and Ethical Standards for Public Officials and Employees. Naalala niyo? You briefly touched on it. 00:47:37.640 --> 00:47:40.660 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po akong naalala sa paksa na yan. 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:48.690 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Nung tinanong po kayo whether may prohibition po yung mga empleyado to have conflict of interest in businesses. I believe 00:47:48.690 --> 00:47:59.670 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: the question is misleading, Your Honor, because I believe the question was about the local government code pertaining to mayors, governors. If it 00:47:59.670 --> 00:47:59.750 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: all 00:47:59.750 --> 00:48:03.330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: already answered that the witness does not recall, move on, counsel. 00:48:03.330 --> 00:48:04.050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes, Your Honor. 00:48:04.150 --> 00:48:10.710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I will move on. Now, however, as a lawyer and public official yourself, you are aware of 6713. 00:48:12.820 --> 00:48:13.480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:20.710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you're aware, of course, that the phrase conflict of interest in that law As a technical definition under our laws, tama po ba? 00:48:22.250 --> 00:48:24.490 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tinedefine po yung termino na conflict of interest. 00:48:24.930 --> 00:48:33.970 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Your Honor, I'll have to object because as the witness stated, this was not taken up during his direct examination. So this is irrelevant, 00:48:36.010 --> 00:48:44.950 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Your Honor. Outside the scope already of the direct examination. We should not unnecessarily prolong the cross-examination, Your Honor. He should move on to his next point. 00:48:45.130 --> 00:48:59.610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The witness is a lawyer and testified as to matters pertaining to his interpretation of similar provisions. I'll allow it. Witness may answer. If you know, Atty. Del Rosario, kung alam niyo po. Maray po bang pakibasa talaga? 00:48:59.610 --> 00:49:02.310 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes, papunta. So hindi niyo po mabasa sa distance na niyan? 00:49:02.310 --> 00:49:02.850 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po. 00:49:02.850 --> 00:49:37.170 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay, my question is this. Are you aware that under Section 3I of RA 6713, conflict of interest arises when a public official or employee is a member of a board, an officer, or a substantial stockholder of a private corporation or owner or has substantial interest in a business and the interests of such corporation or business or his rights or duties therein may be opposed to or affected by the faithful performance of official duty. Are you aware of that provision? 00:49:37.170 --> 00:49:37.730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po yan. 00:49:37.730 --> 00:49:41.530 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And it mentions substantial stockholder. 00:49:43.300 --> 00:49:46.010 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: May binabanggit 00:49:46.010 --> 00:49:48.290 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: pong substantial stockholder. 00:49:52.170 --> 00:49:53.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:50:09.740 --> 00:50:11.730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:50:11.730 --> 00:50:18.710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You are also not competent to determine whether the vice president in any of these corporations have substantial interest. Tama po ba? 00:50:18.710 --> 00:50:19.180 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:50:19.180 --> 00:50:22.210 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You are limited to what these documents show. Correct? 00:50:22.210 --> 00:50:22.880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:37.150 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also have no personal knowledge whether the alleged interest of the vice president in any of these corporations may be, and I quote, opposed to or affected by the faithful performance of her duties. And then, end of quote. Correct? 00:50:37.150 --> 00:50:38.910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa dokumento po, wala po. 00:50:38.910 --> 00:50:46.540 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And there is no prohibition in fact. For a public officer's spouse to have any interest in a corporation or business. Tama po ba? 00:50:46.540 --> 00:50:47.610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala naman po. 00:50:47.610 --> 00:50:51.240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And no prohibition on their spouse to practice their profession. Tama po ba? 00:50:51.240 --> 00:50:51.780 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:50:51.780 --> 00:50:57.810 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And no prohibition for businesses that are related to their spouse to have contracts with government agencies. Tama po ba? 00:51:01.580 --> 00:51:02.480 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Expressly under the law. 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:08.040 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Which law, Your Honor? And perhaps the witness should be shown a copy of the law for... 00:51:08.040 --> 00:51:11.400 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: If he is aware, Your Honor, I'm referring to 6713. 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.180 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Which specific part, Your Honor? 00:51:14.990 --> 00:51:22.630 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Because what is being shown is merely Section 9 and Letter I under that. So he doesn't have a full copy of the law. 00:51:22.790 --> 00:51:27.970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If he doesn't, then he may answer accordingly. Kung hindi niyo po alam, Atty. Del Rosario, sabihin niyo lang po. Okay lang 00:51:27.970 --> 00:51:33.950 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. Pwede po bang i-flash yung Section 7, Article 13 ng Constitution sa second paragraph? 00:51:34.250 --> 00:51:36.180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I'm referring to 6713 po. 00:51:36.180 --> 00:51:37.590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Dito po, wala po akong nakikita. 00:51:37.590 --> 00:51:55.510 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala naman po. Maraming salamat. Now let's go to, yesterday you were asked also about documents that would possibly show Divestment of the vice president in companies. Ito po yung mga dokumento na baka naman makapakita na nag-divest yung vice president sa kumpanya yan. Naalala nyo? 00:51:55.510 --> 00:51:57.090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. Meron po mga... 00:51:57.090 --> 00:52:09.600 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Nasabi nyo naman po kahapon. And you recall that you also mentioned that in some of the corporation, in the subsequent general information sheets, hindi na po reflected as stockholder si vice president. 00:52:09.600 --> 00:52:11.325 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron pong ganong information. 00:52:11.325 --> 00:52:31.220 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And in other questions by our good Senator-Judges or the Council for Prosecution, apologies, I could not remember which one specifically, you were also asked about the fact that in Calilung 88's Foods Corporation, particularly in the year 2025, Manasis R. Carpio is no longer a stockholder. 00:52:31.520 --> 00:52:32.160 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Do 00:52:32.160 --> 00:52:34.060 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: you confirm that based on your summary or documents? 00:52:44.160 --> 00:52:47.940 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa Calilung 88 Foods Corporation, ano pong taon? 00:52:47.940 --> 00:52:49.160 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: 2025 po. 00:52:51.300 --> 00:52:55.780 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: 2025, Manas Escarpio, does not appear as director or stockholder. 00:52:56.020 --> 00:52:59.170 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sa prior years nag-appear siya, kaya may mga tanong dyan, di ba? 00:52:59.170 --> 00:53:00.050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:53:00.050 --> 00:53:16.440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now, you confirmed that ordinarily po, Atty. Del Rosario, the SEC does not require the submissions of copies of deed of assignments of shares of stock to support change in the ownership of shares na nare-reflect sa ating general information sheet. 00:53:17.680 --> 00:53:27.840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Iri-require po namin yan. Generally, hindi. Pero meron pong requirements yan kung ito ay pinambayad mo ng equity. Which must be transferred in the name of the corporation. Correct. And 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:46.770 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: you confirmed that even under Securities Exchange Memorandum Circular No. 17, Series of 2004, the SEC no longer recognizes the recording of a deed of assignment of shares of stock with respect to any legal benefit to the corporation or the person involved. Tama po ba? 00:53:46.770 --> 00:53:47.670 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:53:47.670 --> 00:54:00.720 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Under that SEC Memorandum Circular, in fact, what controls po is the transfer of shares that are recorded by the corporate secretary in the stock and transfer book of the corporation. Tama po ba? 00:54:00.720 --> 00:54:01.640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:54:01.640 --> 00:54:21.060 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirmed that the SEC would not have any information record relating to any registration of deed of assignment of shares of stock in any of the corporations po na tinalakay niyo since the custody of Stock and transfer books or STBs are with the corporation's corporate secretary. 00:54:21.060 --> 00:54:22.120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:54:22.120 --> 00:54:36.300 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In other words, you are incompetent, Atty. Delosario, to testify whether there was divestment, transfer of shares in relation to any of these corporations as appearing in the STB. As appearing in the STB. That's my question, Your Honor. 00:54:38.120 --> 00:54:38.560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: On 00:54:38.560 --> 00:54:40.820 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: the STB po, wala po kaming access on that. 00:54:40.820 --> 00:54:52.670 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat. Yesterday, You also identified incorporation documents of several corporations that you certified and transmitted to the House of Representatives. Do you recall that? 00:54:52.670 --> 00:54:53.680 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes po. 00:54:53.680 --> 00:54:59.955 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And by incorporation documents, we are referring to certificates of incorporation, correct? 00:54:59.955 --> 00:55:01.160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:55:01.160 --> 00:55:03.000 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Articles of incorporation, correct? 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:03.960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:05.570 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Corporate bylaws, tama po ba? 00:55:05.570 --> 00:55:05.990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama 00:55:05.990 --> 00:55:06.130 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. 00:55:06.350 --> 00:55:15.205 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, to name a few, specifically, ang in-identify niyo ay sa Metro City Chow Foods Corp., Madayo Fisheries, Inc., Amianan Shores, Inc. Tama po ba? 00:55:15.205 --> 00:55:16.965 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po yan. 00:55:16.965 --> 00:55:29.090 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now you confirm that these are in the records of or on file with the SEC because these are documents submitted to the SEC by these corporations in relation to incorporation. 00:55:29.090 --> 00:55:30.220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:55:30.220 --> 00:55:43.360 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In other words, the documents issued by or pwede din naman po ito po yung mga dokumento na ini-issue ng SEC kaugnay sa incorporasyon ng isang kumpanya kagaya ng Certificate of Incorporation. Tama po ba? 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Yan po ang ini-issue namin. 00:55:45.450 --> 00:55:59.530 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: However, you confirm, sir, that besides what appears in these documents, po, the SEC does not have any personal knowledge in relation to agreements between incorporators in relation to the setting up of a corporation. 00:55:59.530 --> 00:56:01.760 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming kidalaman doon. 00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:14.750 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also confirm that the SEC has no personal knowledge on the intended business operation scale besides the primary and secondary purpose, if any, declared in the Articles of Incorporation. 00:56:15.110 --> 00:56:19.250 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: kung ano lang po ang nasa article siya po ang pininiwalaan naming negosyo niya. 00:56:19.310 --> 00:56:30.455 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala din pong record or information yung Securities and Exchange Commission natin kung saan nanggaling yung pera para sa initial paid up capital stock of each incorporator. Tama? 00:56:30.455 --> 00:56:31.700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 00:56:31.700 --> 00:56:48.610 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala din po kayong personal knowledge or information in relation to the amount of the... as to why... There is an initial proportion in the initial subscription of shares for each incorporator. Bakit po? 25-25-25 or 50-25-25? Hindi niyo po alam kung bakit ganyan yung setup. 00:56:49.270 --> 00:56:50.290 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po namin alam. 00:56:50.370 --> 00:56:55.280 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ang alam niyo lang, ni-report yung stockholding structure. Tama po ba? 00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:58.590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sinood po nila yung patakaran at time yung 25-25. 00:56:58.590 --> 00:57:03.220 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Correct. And yung patakaran na yan, hindi naman po nag-a-apply na ngayon. Tama po ba? 00:57:03.220 --> 00:57:03.760 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi na po. 00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:07.310 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. So to confirm, the SEC has no personal knowledge or information. 00:57:16.640 --> 00:57:17.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:57:28.690 --> 00:57:29.210 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:57:39.160 --> 00:57:42.760 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: in relation to the GIS themselves or the summaries. Do you recall that? 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:43.240 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:57:43.240 --> 00:57:54.400 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You confirmed that ito po mga general information sheets, para lang po maintindahan natin lahat, ito po ang mga reports na sinusumite ng corporation sa SEC as required by law. Tama po ba? 00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:55.210 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:57:55.210 --> 00:58:05.970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And under Section 177B of the Revised Corporation Code, this reportorial requirement is imposed upon the corporation. Tama? 00:58:05.970 --> 00:58:07.010 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:58:07.010 --> 00:58:14.030 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that this statutory obligation is not imposed upon stockholders, directors, or officers of the corporation? 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Naka 00:58:16.080 --> 00:58:16.480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: -imposed 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po sa corporate secretary ng 00:58:18.200 --> 00:58:18.600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: kumpanya. 00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:18.940 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Correct. 00:58:18.940 --> 00:58:28.550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: The only exception is the corporate secretary who is required to certify and swear under oath the contents of a general information sheet. 00:58:28.550 --> 00:58:29.070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:58:29.070 --> 00:58:37.850 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: But it is not the corporate secretary who is under the law obligated to File a GIS kasi sa korporasyon naman po yan. Clarification lang po. 00:58:37.850 --> 00:58:38.470 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:58:38.470 --> 00:58:52.240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. And you confirmed that this is the principle or ito po yung framework natin kasi may separate and distinct personality naman po yung korporasyon sa mga stockholders, directors, and officers natin. Tama po ba? 00:58:52.240 --> 00:58:53.060 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:58:53.060 --> 00:59:00.470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you therefore confirmed that the GIS as viewed under the law originates from the corporation. Tama? 00:59:00.470 --> 00:59:01.530 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:59:01.530 --> 00:59:05.290 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: and submitted by the corporation to the SEC. Tama? 00:59:05.290 --> 00:59:06.540 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:59:06.540 --> 00:59:14.280 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And in all the GIS you identified yesterday, you confirmed that the vice president was never a corporate secretary. 00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:15.960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:22.920 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: None of these GISs, accordingly, were sworn upon by the vice president herself. Tama po ba? 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:23.540 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:59:23.540 --> 00:59:31.300 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you testified yesterday that a domestic stock corporation is also required to submit GISs on specific periods. 00:59:31.300 --> 00:59:32.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:59:32.490 --> 00:59:42.300 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Isa po dito, generally, within 30 calendar days from the date of actual stockholders and the conduct of the annual stockholders meeting. Tama po ba? 00:59:42.300 --> 00:59:42.960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:50.180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yung iba naman, may mga specific corporate changes na, if I'm not mistaken, within 7 days should be reported to the SEC. Tama po ba? 00:59:50.200 --> 00:59:54.860 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po. Now you confirm that besides what appears on the face of the general information sheet, 00:59:55.430 --> 00:59:55.950 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: the 00:59:55.950 --> 00:59:59.970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Securities and Exchange Commission po does not have any knowledge or information 01:00:06.520 --> 01:00:08.320 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming informasyon ng dati. 01:00:28.330 --> 01:00:28.710 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: What 01:00:28.710 --> 01:00:30.150 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: kind of information he's asking? 01:00:30.450 --> 01:00:34.910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Your Honor, I think my question was clear, Your Honor. If the witness knows, Your Honor. I think 01:00:34.910 --> 01:00:40.070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: he's referring generally, counsel. Witness may answer if he 01:00:40.070 --> 01:00:41.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: knows. Alam niyo po, Atty. Del Rosario? 01:00:42.290 --> 01:00:45.790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kami personal information kung ano po ang nangyayari sa kanila. 01:00:46.290 --> 01:00:56.570 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, you even confirm, Atty. Del Rosario, na hindi naman nire-require yung mga korporasyon natin na magsumiti ng minutes of the meeting ng kahit anong corporate meeting. Tama po ba? 01:00:56.850 --> 01:00:57.330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 01:00:58.250 --> 01:01:16.090 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now yesterday, you were made to confirm that based on the summary you prepared and the corporate documents from 2022-2025 specifically, declared the Vice President as a member of the Board of Directors of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. Naalala nyo yun? 01:01:16.090 --> 01:01:17.200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 01:01:17.200 --> 01:01:26.050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now you were also made to confirm that the Vice President from 2022-2025 is a member of the Compensation Committee as reflected in your summary? 01:01:31.090 --> 01:01:32.970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Yan po ang nakalagay sa GIS. 01:01:32.970 --> 01:01:46.130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: However, you confirm, given your answers to my earlier questions, that the SEC has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President did in fact participate or attend in any of the meetings of the Board of Directors in these years. Tama 01:01:46.130 --> 01:01:46.350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. 01:01:46.350 --> 01:02:01.550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also have no, in fact, you do not have any minutes of the meeting of the Board of Directors of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, whether special, regular, or organizational meeting, which would show that the Vice President participated or attended. Tama po ba? 01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:03.300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming information on that. 01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:19.230 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You can also confirm that the SEC has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President did in fact participate or attend in any of the meetings of the Compensation Committee of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation in the years 2022 to 2025. Correct? 01:02:19.230 --> 01:02:20.800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: No information po on that. 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:32.700 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, you do not have any minutes of the meeting of the Compensation Committee of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation which would otherwise show that the Vice President participated or attended its meetings. Tama po ba? 01:02:32.700 --> 01:02:33.460 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 01:02:33.460 --> 01:02:45.550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Further, please confirm that the SEC has no personal knowledge or information whether the Vice President is involved in the day-to-day operations of any of the corporations. Sixteen, if I remember correctly. 01:02:46.050 --> 01:02:48.890 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po akong, wala po kaming ganung informasyon. 01:02:49.050 --> 01:02:58.750 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you also have no information or personal knowledge whether the Vice President actively, is actively involved in the management or decision-making of any of these sixteen corporations. 01:03:00.450 --> 01:03:01.810 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And the 01:03:01.810 --> 01:03:19.130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: SEC has no personal knowledge or information based on its records that the Vice President had any participation in the review submission of any of the general information sheets including those submitted by Metro City Child Foods Corporation. 01:03:20.870 --> 01:03:21.550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And 01:03:21.550 --> 01:03:32.420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: the SEC also has no personal knowledge or information whether the Vice President is even aware of the filing of these General Information Sheets by the Corporations. Correct? 01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:39.040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Maari po. Hindi po niya alam. Ba't hindi po siyang meron pong nag-file para sa kumpanya. 01:03:39.200 --> 01:04:20.070 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat po, Atty. Del Rosario. Puntahan naman po natin yung mga audited financial statements. Kahapon, sa mga summary at mga dokumentong pinakita ng proseksyon sa inyo, pinakita po kayo ng mga AFS of these corporations to name a few. City Hall, King Chow Foods Corporation, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. Gencorp Industry Inc. Do you recall that? Yung mga usually nasa likuran sila sa summary nyo. Apo. Now, during your direct examination, you were made to enumerate ang mga sales of these corporations as opposed to their net income, retained earnings, deficit, and sa last portion ng column, dividends declare. Tama po ba? 01:04:20.310 --> 01:04:20.870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:04:21.310 --> 01:04:40.590 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, let's clarify. In relation to the annual audited financial statements of the corporation, You confirm, sir, that the SEC only reviews submissions of these AFSS for purposes of corporate compliance, completeness, and reporting rules. Tama po ba? 01:04:40.590 --> 01:04:41.160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:04:41.160 --> 01:04:53.270 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: But you confirm, sir, that it is actually the Bureau of Internal Revenue that cross-checks those audited financial statements as against reported tax returns or books of accounts of a corporation. Tama po ba? 01:04:53.270 --> 01:04:54.815 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Sa pag-ubahit ng bubis sila. 01:04:54.815 --> 01:05:05.620 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So you cannot determine whether you are not competent to testify today whether there are irregularities or misrepresentations in any of the audited financial statements. You can only confirm whether they are filed. 01:05:06.470 --> 01:05:11.510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung ano po ang naka-file sa amin, yun lang po ang pinaniwalaan at 01:05:11.700 --> 01:05:29.840 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: sinabit dito. In fact, you are not aware as a representative of the SEC whether these audited financial statements you identified today and yesterday by these corporations were even flagged by the Bureau of Internal Revenue in relation to any tax regulation compliance. Tama? Wala 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:31.040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po kaming information on that. 01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:39.400 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Further, you confirm, sir, that these audited financial statements are financial statements, again, of the corporation and not by the stockholders. Tama? 01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:40.920 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Para po sa korporasyon. 01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:45.220 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Audited financial statement siya ng korporasyon, hindi ng direktor. Tama? 01:05:45.220 --> 01:05:46.260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:05:46.260 --> 01:05:52.180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Audited financial statement siya ng korporasyon at hindi ng mga opisyalis na nakadeklara sa GIS. Tama? 01:05:52.180 --> 01:05:52.640 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Objection, 01:05:52.640 --> 01:05:58.040 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Your Honor. Ask and answered. It's just merely enumerating people. It's the 01:05:58.040 --> 01:06:09.580 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: same line of questioning. Your Honor, that would be presumptuous from the prosecution. I'm trying to confirm this from the witness. I am an examination. It's not the same question, counsel. Thank you, Your 01:06:09.680 --> 01:06:10.260 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Honor. 01:06:10.260 --> 01:06:11.040 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may 01:06:11.040 --> 01:06:11.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: answer. 01:06:11.740 --> 01:06:12.440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po. 01:06:13.160 --> 01:06:20.470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And again, this follows the principle that a corporation has a separate and distinct personality from its stockholders, correct? 01:06:20.470 --> 01:06:21.430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:06:21.430 --> 01:06:22.800 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: From its directors, correct? 01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:23.550 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:06:23.550 --> 01:06:25.310 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: From its officers. Correct? 01:06:25.310 --> 01:06:26.860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:06:26.860 --> 01:06:36.360 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thus, any sale, revenue, or loss indicated in these audited financial statements belong to the corporation, not its stockholders. 01:06:36.700 --> 01:06:37.600 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Asked and answered. 01:06:38.750 --> 01:06:46.250 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: That was different, Your Honor. My prior question was where the AFS come from. I'm referring particularly in the contents of the AFS this time. 01:06:46.550 --> 01:06:47.590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's okay. Witness may answer. 01:06:48.780 --> 01:06:49.680 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Para po sa 01:06:49.680 --> 01:06:50.380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: kumpanya ito. 01:06:50.980 --> 01:07:00.540 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So... You also confirmed that the income reflected in this audited financial statement hindi po ito sa vicepresidente pero sa korporasyon na nag-report. Tama? 01:07:00.700 --> 01:07:02.100 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Sa kumpanya. 01:07:02.300 --> 01:07:09.760 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you cannot confirm whether based on that net income reported may natanggap ang vicepresidente dyan. Tama po ba? 01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:10.530 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:07:10.530 --> 01:07:21.440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And similarly, any net losses reflected in an audited financial statement belongs to the corporation and not the stockholder, for example, the vicepresident. Correct? 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:21.980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:07:21.980 --> 01:07:37.700 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirmed that you cannot see whether those net losses as reflected in an audited financial statement is conclusive evidence that the Vice President or any stockholder for that matter incurred losses in relation to his stockholdings or investments. Correct? 01:07:37.700 --> 01:07:39.240 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Para po sa korporasyon nito. 01:07:39.240 --> 01:07:48.330 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirmed that the SEC has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President participated in the preparation of all the audited financial statements you identified. 01:07:48.330 --> 01:07:48.690 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Asked 01:07:48.690 --> 01:07:49.475 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: and answered. 01:07:49.475 --> 01:07:50.960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Participation, Your Honor, in 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:51.710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: the preparation. 01:07:51.710 --> 01:07:53.520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may 01:07:53.520 --> 01:07:56.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: answer. Wala po kaming ganung informasyon. 01:07:56.630 --> 01:08:06.370 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: The SEC also has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President or Manassas R. Carpio participated in the approval of these annual financial statements by the Board of Directors. 01:08:06.930 --> 01:08:08.670 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming ganung informasyon. 01:08:08.690 --> 01:08:19.290 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: The SEC also has no personal knowledge or information whether the Vice President or Manassas R. Carpio were present in the stockholders when these audited financial statements were presented to the stockholders. 01:08:20.240 --> 01:08:21.880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala rin po kaming gano'ng informasyon. 01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:29.520 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And also, the SEC has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President or Manassas R. Carpio are aware of the filing of these audited financial statements. 01:08:29.780 --> 01:08:31.200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala rin po kaming gano'ng informasyon. 01:08:31.380 --> 01:08:35.050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: No further questions, Your Honor. Any redirect, 01:08:35.330 --> 01:08:36.520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Erwin? 01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:38.525 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Redirect, yes, Your Honor. 01:08:38.525 --> 01:08:39.840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may proceed, 01:08:39.940 --> 01:08:40.580 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Sir, when you're ready. 01:08:43.680 --> 01:09:01.110 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Atty. Del Rosario, kanina nabanggit na naman po, nabalik sa diskusyon, itong GenCorp Industries, Inc. Nabanggit ho na hindi malinaw kung anong interest ni VP Sara sa kumpanyang ito. Ito po ba ay dahil confidential yung information? 01:09:03.140 --> 01:09:04.460 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Objection, Your Honor. Misleading. 01:09:06.850 --> 01:09:10.700 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If he knows, Atty. 01:09:11.060 --> 01:09:12.540 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Del Rosario, if you know. 01:09:12.540 --> 01:09:17.790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, wala po kasing pangalan si... I-check ko lang po yung notes ko. 01:09:17.790 --> 01:09:19.380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly do so Atty. Del Rosario. 01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:20.480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa 01:09:26.020 --> 01:09:41.000 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: GenCorp Industries, Inc., wala po kasing pangalan si VP Sara Duterte. from incorporation up to the filing of JIS. Yun po ang nakalagay sa aking summary. 01:09:41.300 --> 01:09:43.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That's the witnesses' answer, Attorney Erwin. 01:09:43.060 --> 01:10:03.780 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank you, Your Honor. And then, pinakita po sa inyo kanina yung Section 62 tungkol sa pag-declare kung ano yung dapat isama ng isang government official about, I believe, May we ask the defense to flash the section again? 01:10:03.780 --> 01:10:05.270 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: We can, your honor. 01:10:05.270 --> 01:10:05.790 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank you. 01:10:06.490 --> 01:10:08.890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you for your accommodation, attorney Justin. 01:10:09.250 --> 01:10:11.450 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: May we just request the tech booth to flash it, your honor. 01:10:11.710 --> 01:10:16.150 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Can the tech please flash section 62 of the omnibus rules? 01:10:29.940 --> 01:10:31.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: There you go, attorney Aaron. 01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:38.090 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: There's a subparagraph that was flashed earlier. I think it's a nice line if I could 01:10:38.090 --> 01:10:38.890 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: help the prosecution. 01:10:39.150 --> 01:10:42.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: On conflict of interest, attorney Aaron? 01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:47.280 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: They showed this and another one. Yes, 01:10:48.060 --> 01:11:04.650 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: this is the correct slide. So, nakalagay po dyan na obligasyon ng government official na ilagay kung ano yung nature ng kanyang business interest o financial connection sa kumpanya. Tama po ba? 01:11:04.730 --> 01:11:17.240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Objection. Misleading, Your Honor. That doesn't appear in the provision. There is no requirement to declare the nature of the business, Your Honor. That's the definition of what a nature of business interest or financial connection is. It 01:11:17.240 --> 01:11:22.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: merely defines, counsel. Go to your question. I think I know where you're getting at, Atty. Rin. 01:11:25.500 --> 01:11:43.200 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So tama po ba na ang nature ng business interest or financial connection ay as stated here, kung ano man pong iba pang ginawa niya. So hindi lang yung pagiging shareholder. Ang kasama sa nature of business interest or financial connection, tama po ba? 01:11:44.180 --> 01:11:49.860 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: May we ask that the prosecutor specifically refer to the particular portion of the provision being asked? 01:11:51.320 --> 01:11:59.640 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Based on, allow the chair, based on this provision, Atty. Del Rosario, can you answer the question of Atty. Erwin? 01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:09.800 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Gusto niyo po palakihan natin? Sige po. Kindly zoom it in. May we request the tech to zoom it in, please? 01:12:16.240 --> 01:12:16.800 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Aling... 01:12:25.410 --> 01:12:39.140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ang katanungan po yata ay, base po sa probisyong ito, ang depenisyon ng interes ay hindi lamang bilang shareholder. Posibleng may ibang kapasidad pa na nakabilang sa nakalista po dito. 01:12:40.390 --> 01:12:47.480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Whether as proprietor, investor, promoter, partner, shareholder po. Okay. 01:12:47.620 --> 01:12:48.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Erwin? 01:12:50.210 --> 01:13:03.260 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, napakarami po na maaaring maging nature kung ano man yung business interest. ng isang tao in connection with the corporation. Tama po ba yan? Tama po. 01:13:04.950 --> 01:13:14.770 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So kung sakaling nakalagay po kasi dito, creditor, so kung nagpa-utang yung government official, kailangan niyang i-deklara. 01:13:16.420 --> 01:13:19.980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo, kung pag-aari po niya, pera niya yan. 01:13:20.200 --> 01:13:24.100 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So part 2 siya ng business interest. And pati nga po kung siya ay 01:13:26.900 --> 01:13:31.020 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Nagsusupply ng services katulad ng business consultancy or 01:13:32.660 --> 01:13:42.870 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: kung abogado siya at nagsusupply siya ng legal services sa kumpanya. Ayon dito sa Section 62. Ayon po dito. Okay, salamat. 01:13:49.890 --> 01:14:05.880 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ngayon, balikan natin yung mga filing sa SEC na nabanggit kanina. Unahin po natin yung mga general information sheets. Napansin ko ho kasi na yung mga exhibits, yung mga general information sheets ay notaryado. 01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:13.190 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Tama po. Ano ho bang ibig sabihin kung yung isang dokumento ay notaryado? 01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:24.980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ibig sabihin lang po noon na pinununumpaan niya ang bawat informasyon na nakalagay doon sa ayon sa kanyang paniniwala at nalalaman. 01:14:26.540 --> 01:14:32.980 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: At in other words, kailangan totoo yung dapat nasa GIS. Tama po ba yan? 01:14:33.290 --> 01:14:33.730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Dapat po. 01:14:34.290 --> 01:14:40.670 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ano ang consequence kung hindi man naging totoo yung mga nakalagay sa general information sheet? 01:14:41.610 --> 01:14:56.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Una po, may provision sa amin sa RCC na yung lawfully submitting erroneous documents, reports, violation po yan. At pangalawa, yung perjury kung ikaw ay nagsisinungaling at alam mo namang mali. 01:14:56.810 --> 01:15:02.180 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, mabigat po pala yung kaparusahan kung hindi pala totoo yung mga nakalagay sa general information sheet. 01:15:02.180 --> 01:15:02.870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Objection, Your Honor. 01:15:02.930 --> 01:15:09.010 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Apologies. Again, with all due respect to the good counsel for the prosecutor, his once again interjected conclusions. 01:15:09.590 --> 01:15:09.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Move on, move 01:15:09.650 --> 01:15:09.730 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: on, 01:15:09.890 --> 01:15:10.070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel. 01:15:10.850 --> 01:15:17.330 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, itong general information sheet, nabanggit niyo na ito ay, sino pong pumipirma sa GIS? 01:15:17.330 --> 01:15:20.090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang corporate secretary po. 01:15:20.090 --> 01:15:25.115 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ang corporate secretary. At sino po ang nag-a-appoint ng corporate secretary? 01:15:25.115 --> 01:15:27.200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang board of directors po. 01:15:27.200 --> 01:15:30.580 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ang board of directors. Tuwing kailan po ina-appoint ang corporate secretary? 01:15:32.360 --> 01:15:33.880 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: During the annual meeting po. 01:15:35.710 --> 01:15:40.450 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Anytime po ba pwedeng palitan ang corporate secretary ng board? Sinsila naman nag-a-appoint? 01:15:40.450 --> 01:15:44.200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Pag po gusto ng board, maaari po nilang gawin yan. Pwedeng palitan. 01:15:44.200 --> 01:15:47.590 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ano po yung mga instances na pwedeng mapalitan yung corporate secretary? 01:15:48.250 --> 01:16:01.800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Siguro po isang loss of confidence. Ayaw nila yung the way mag-report. Yung compliance ng kumpanya, hindi ninyo nasasubmit. Yan po yung mga ibang paraan kung bakit papalitan siya. 01:16:03.260 --> 01:16:07.440 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Tignan nga po natin yung mga general information sheets ng Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. 01:16:13.690 --> 01:16:14.110 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: For 01:16:14.110 --> 01:16:18.930 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: the record, we are showing to the witness copies of the GIS of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. 01:16:19.590 --> 01:16:23.910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Standing authority for assisting counsels, the approach has been given by the presiding officer. 01:16:25.630 --> 01:16:28.690 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pakisabi po kung sino ang corporate secretary ng kumpanyang yan. 01:16:31.910 --> 01:16:33.170 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Base sa unang GIS. 01:16:35.150 --> 01:16:41.350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa JS po ng Metro City Chow Food Corporation as of period covered is June 5, 2018. 01:16:45.730 --> 01:16:50.330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang nakapangalan bilang corporate secretary po ay Gurley S. Delacruz. 01:16:51.290 --> 01:16:53.550 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Gurley S. Delacruz. 01:16:56.190 --> 01:16:58.390 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pakicheck nga po yung 01:17:00.050 --> 01:17:05.630 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: mga sumusunod na general information sheets kung siya pa rin po ba yung nakalagay dyan ng corporate secretary. 01:17:06.380 --> 01:17:11.510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa May 6, 2019, Metro City Chow Food Corporation, GIS. 01:17:12.010 --> 01:17:12.770 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa 01:17:13.830 --> 01:17:22.070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: page 11, meron pong Gurley S. Delacruz, Corporate Secretary of Metro City Chow Food Corporation. 01:17:23.320 --> 01:17:34.660 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pakitignan na lang po lahat. Lahatan na. Pakicheck po kung siya ba sa lahat ng mga general information sheets para sa mga taong 2018 hanggang 2025. 01:18:18.830 --> 01:18:23.410 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Lahat po ng GIS ay nasa pinirmahan ni Gurley Delacruz. 01:18:24.350 --> 01:18:30.310 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Napalitan po ba siya bilang corporate secretary para sa mga taong iyan, para sa kumpanyang Metro City Chow Foods? 01:18:31.550 --> 01:18:35.390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ayon po sa dokumento, wala pong pagbabago. Maaring hindi po siya napalitan. Hindi 01:18:35.390 --> 01:18:43.510 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: siya napalitan. In fact, tama ba na actually si Gurley de la Cruz ay corporate secretary din ng iba pang mga kumpanya? 01:18:46.220 --> 01:18:48.740 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Siguro po, i-check ko lang po yung records kung... 01:18:49.380 --> 01:18:56.120 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: I think meron po tayong, or hindi man na corporate secretary, pero siya ay... 01:18:59.190 --> 01:19:08.190 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Incorporator or stockholder din, based sa nagawa ninyong summary on the table pertaining to incorporators, 01:19:10.040 --> 01:19:11.420 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: stockholders. 01:19:16.710 --> 01:19:18.550 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Meron po kayong summary na by name. 01:19:28.490 --> 01:19:37.090 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pahanap po yung pangalan ni Gurley S. De La Cruz sa inyong incorporators declared in the EOI by incorporator and I think this is on page 7, 01:19:44.210 --> 01:19:45.510 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: 2026. 01:19:49.100 --> 01:20:00.940 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ando na po ba kayo? Sa page 7 of 2026, sa pangalan ng Gurley S. De La Cruz. So based po dyan, incorporator po siya para sa mga aling kumpanya. 01:20:01.910 --> 01:20:18.830 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ayon po dito, si Gurley S. De La Cruz ay incorporator ng Davao New Royal Taipan Foods Corporation, GenCorp Industries, JTC Group of Companies Philippines, Metro City Chow Food Corporation, 01:20:21.340 --> 01:20:22.360 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: B-Food Corporation. 01:20:23.460 --> 01:20:27.960 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Okay. So, Incorporator din po siya sa limang kumpanyang nabanggit niyo. 01:20:38.210 --> 01:20:47.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: To clarify, ito yung Andrew Lozario, limang kumpanya lang po? MetroCity Chow, GenCorp, Times Square, B-Foods, Davao New Royal, and JTC? 01:20:48.910 --> 01:20:56.330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Davao New Royal, GenCorp, JTC Group of Companies, MetroCity Chow, at Times Square B. 01:20:56.510 --> 01:20:58.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Doon lang po siya shareholder? 01:20:58.560 --> 01:20:59.840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Incorporator po. 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:02.610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Incorporator. Incorporator lang po. 01:21:10.380 --> 01:21:11.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Proceed, counsel. 01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:28.540 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Yes, your honor. Ngayon, pinag-usapan din ang articles of incorporation. Ah, sorry, ang audited financial statements. Kanina, no, na-bring up po. Ano po ba ang ibig sabihin kung ang financial statements ay audited? 01:21:30.350 --> 01:21:31.730 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Asking for opinion, your honor. 01:21:33.130 --> 01:21:38.290 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If he knows, counsel, he receives the submissions. He should know what it means. 01:21:39.500 --> 01:21:53.880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ang audited financial statement po ay yung structured data about financial condition ng isang korporasyon kung saan na ito ay sinuri pa ng isang external auditor. Malaman kung ang mga accounting standards ay nasunod. 01:21:55.260 --> 01:21:59.660 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Kanina po galing yung financial information na nakalagay sa audited FS? 01:22:00.080 --> 01:22:00.700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nanggaling 01:22:00.700 --> 01:22:04.040 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: po sa kumpanya. And then, ano po ang gagawin ng external auditor? 01:22:04.500 --> 01:22:10.790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ibabalidate po niya kung ang mga information is in accordance with the Proscribed accounting standards. 01:22:12.910 --> 01:22:20.930 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Punta nga tayo sa isang example ng audited financial statements. 01:22:40.230 --> 01:22:58.340 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Particularly, Your Honor, we would like to show Exhibit P-R2-2-6-2-H which is the audited financial statements for the year 2024. 01:23:07.150 --> 01:23:09.390 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: For Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. 01:23:37.720 --> 01:23:38.920 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hawak ko na po. 01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:45.040 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Hawak niyo na. Ngayon, puntahan niyo yung page 4 ng audited financial statements. 01:23:58.670 --> 01:24:00.990 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Okay, ando na po ba kayo sa page 4? 01:24:02.540 --> 01:24:07.340 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Nando na po. Ano yung title ng document na lumalabas dyan sa page 4? 01:24:08.440 --> 01:24:13.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ito po yung Statement of Management Responsibility for Financial Statements. 01:24:13.550 --> 01:24:17.910 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pwede ba natin basahin yung first paragraph ng statement na yan? 01:24:21.230 --> 01:24:46.610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po dito sa SMR ng Metro City Chow Food Corporation, the management of Metro City Chow Food Corporation is responsible for the preparation and fair presentation of the financial statement for the years ended December 31, 2024 and 2023 in accordance with the prescribed financial reporting framework indicated therein. 01:24:47.230 --> 01:24:47.610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: And 01:24:47.610 --> 01:24:58.330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: for such internal control, as punishment determined is necessary to enable the preparation of financial statement that are free from material statement whether due to fraud or error. 01:25:00.170 --> 01:25:08.740 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Sige po. Punta po tayo sa pangatlo na paragraph. Ano pong sinasabi sa linyang yan? 01:25:09.340 --> 01:25:15.000 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: The board of directors is responsible for overseeing the company's financial reporting process. 01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:18.400 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: How about yung susunod po na linya? Pakibasa po. 01:25:19.240 --> 01:25:27.100 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: The Board of Directors review and approve the financial statements and submit the same to the stockholders. To the what po? 01:25:28.020 --> 01:25:29.880 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Stockholders po. Stockholders. 01:25:31.790 --> 01:25:36.110 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Napansin ko po na notaryado itong Statement of Management Responsibility. 01:25:37.790 --> 01:25:38.730 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Tama po ba? 01:25:39.030 --> 01:25:39.970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Oo, may notary po. 01:25:40.110 --> 01:25:43.590 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, sworn statement din po ito kung ganun? 01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:46.380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Oo po, 01:25:46.380 --> 01:25:47.320 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: yun po ang nakalagay. 01:25:47.480 --> 01:25:52.280 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, ano po ba itong Statement of Management Responsibility? At bakit po ito kailangan? 01:25:53.190 --> 01:26:18.430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Isa po ito sa mga, well, requirement para tanggapin namin ang financial statement ng isang kumpanya. Kasama nga narin po rito yung unang binanggit kahapon about the stamp, the receiving ng BAR. Ito po yung pangalawa na tinitingnan namin na dapat maging parte ng financial statement. Ang nagsasabi na ang accountability dito ay ang board of trustees o directors. 01:26:19.130 --> 01:26:21.150 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ano po ulit? Ang accountability ay? 01:26:21.980 --> 01:26:23.320 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang board of directors po. 01:26:23.440 --> 01:26:24.640 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So sila po ang accountable? 01:26:24.780 --> 01:26:27.440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Base rin po sa nakasulat dito. 01:26:29.430 --> 01:26:34.690 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ngayon, puntahan natin yung notes dyan sa financial statements na iyan. 01:26:45.330 --> 01:26:47.030 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Punta tayo sa page 13. 01:27:03.530 --> 01:27:07.250 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Page 13, nandun po ba kayo? Note 1, corporate information? 01:27:09.180 --> 01:27:09.620 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 01:27:13.400 --> 01:27:18.480 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pwede ba nating basahin yung second paragraph ng note 1 na iyan? 01:27:22.890 --> 01:27:39.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po sa second paragraph nito, the accompanying financial statements of the company as at and for the day, years 2024 and 2023 were approved and authorized by its Board of Directors on March 31, 2025. 01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:43.540 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ano po 01:27:43.540 --> 01:27:44.140 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: ang ibig sabihin 01:27:44.140 --> 01:27:56.090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: na yan? Ibig sabihin lang po nito ay yung financial statement nito ay inaproobahan at inauthorized ng Board of Directors sa Petyang March 31, 2025. 01:27:57.780 --> 01:27:58.420 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank 01:27:59.310 --> 01:28:07.270 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: you. At ano ko ang interest ulit o role ni VP Sara sa Metro City Chow Foods Corporation? 01:28:09.080 --> 01:28:16.660 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Objection, Your Honor. Hasn't answered. And already answered that he has no personal knowledge. 01:28:17.940 --> 01:28:21.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No, on Metro Chow. Based on the documents submitted. Yes, sir. 01:28:23.250 --> 01:28:24.470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may answer? 01:28:24.730 --> 01:28:42.300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po sa general information sheet ng Metro City Chow Foods Corporation from 2018 to 2025 nag-a-appear po na si VP Sara Duterte po ay member of the Board of Directors at stockholder ng nasabing kumpanya. 01:28:45.400 --> 01:28:46.340 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank you. 01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:55.900 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: At based po sa Section 22 ng Revised Corporation Code, ano pa ang sinasabi ng section na ito tungkol sa Board of Directors? 01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:01.140 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ang Board of Directors po ang 01:29:02.980 --> 01:29:05.680 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Siya po ang section 01:29:09.330 --> 01:29:11.450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: 22 po is about 01:29:11.450 --> 01:29:20.470 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Maaari ko ba kayong bigyan ng kopya ng revised corporation code section 2020 ah para mabasa niyo ang section 22. 01:29:21.350 --> 01:29:24.970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: To exercise corporate powers yung post siguro yan. 01:29:33.510 --> 01:29:35.050 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: First paragraph lang ako. 01:29:38.620 --> 01:29:46.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: For the record, assisting counsel is showing Attorney Del Rosario a copy of the revised corporation code RCC for brevity. 01:29:52.910 --> 01:29:59.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Section 22 of RCC, the Board of Directors or Trustee of the Corporation, Qualification. 01:30:11.100 --> 01:30:11.980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: So 01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:23.000 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: anong ibig sabihin niyang nabasa ninyo? 01:30:27.940 --> 01:30:28.820 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: So 01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:39.660 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: may 01:30:39.660 --> 01:30:43.020 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: control ang board sa properties na mapuba? 01:30:43.310 --> 01:30:44.190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 01:30:53.630 --> 01:31:03.950 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Meron po ba kayong natanggap? Tinatanong po kanina na itong mga GIS or AFS ay mga filings galing sa corporations. Tama po ba? 01:31:04.370 --> 01:31:04.990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:31:05.790 --> 01:31:16.390 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Nakatanggap po ba kayo ever ng any information mula sa mga kumpanya based sa mga sinertify nyo na documents na may mali o may dapat baguhin sa mga nakadeklara doon? 01:31:19.690 --> 01:31:30.620 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: With respect po sa request for Correction. Wala po. Pero meron pong amendments. Hindi ko lang po alam kung dahil sa pagkakamali o meron lang po silang i-update. 01:31:31.100 --> 01:31:34.540 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Okay. So that would be all for Redirect, Your Honor. 01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:36.260 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Henry Cross, Maturin Justin. 01:31:39.080 --> 01:31:41.180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sorry, Your Honor. Just a few questions. 01:31:43.130 --> 01:31:55.950 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: First, kanina sa Redirect examination, kinumpirman niyo na ang audited financial statement ay aprobado ng Board of Directors. Tama po ba? Ayon po sa nakasulat sa financial statement 01:31:55.950 --> 01:31:56.590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ng kumpanya. 01:31:56.790 --> 01:32:01.650 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Pero hindi din naman kayo aware whether nag-participate yung vice-presidente sa pag-aproba nito? 01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:09.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, on personal knowledge, kung merong nangyaring ganito, hindi po namin alam but we just rely on what is written in the document. 01:32:09.360 --> 01:32:17.180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, quorum lang naman po yung required para ma-approve yung audited financial statement. Hindi kailangan lahat ng director. Tama po ba? Depende 01:32:17.180 --> 01:32:25.040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po sa provision nila sa articles. Kung kinakailangan ng higher quorum, then they should respect the higher quorum. Correct. Pero kung basic na basic, it should be majority. 01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:33.920 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat. Naupuntahan po natin yung eleksyon ng corporate secretary. Ito po ay ginagawa sa ating organizational meeting. Tama po ba? 01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:34.800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:40.380 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At hindi nyo rin po alam whether nag-participate yung vice-presidente sa organizational meeting. 01:32:40.380 --> 01:32:41.190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:32:41.190 --> 01:32:49.070 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At pwede naman po na hindi lahat ng mga stockholder or board of directors mag-participate sa mga annual meetings. Tama po ba? 01:32:49.070 --> 01:32:49.705 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:32:49.705 --> 01:32:53.100 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Last question, kilala niyo ba si Gurley de la Cruz personally? 01:32:53.100 --> 01:32:54.190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po. 01:32:54.190 --> 01:32:54.950 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: No further questions. 01:32:57.710 --> 01:33:15.630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We now proceed to the interjections of Senator Judges. Hopefully, we can finish with the Attorney de la Rosaria before lunch and move on to the next witness, Mr. Supena, when we resume after lunch. The first to register is Senator Judge Erwin Tulfo. 01:33:19.580 --> 01:33:21.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready. 01:33:24.270 --> 01:33:37.980 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Ito po sa ating testigo. Mr. Witness, itong JTC Group of Companies, ito po ba yung ibig sabihin po ng JTC's Jaime Tan Cruz? 01:33:40.480 --> 01:33:47.560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala pong disclosure sa Articles of Incorporation under the corporate name na JTC stands for Jaime T. Cruz. 01:33:47.820 --> 01:33:48.260 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Okay. 01:33:50.160 --> 01:34:03.160 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: May mga nakikita po ba kayo sa inyong dokumento po sa SEC? na either Incorporator or Board of Director si Jaime Tan Cruz sa City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. 01:34:04.700 --> 01:34:06.800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Silipin ko lang po sandali yung aking notes. 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:07.320 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Sige po. 01:34:33.280 --> 01:34:34.220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. 01:34:34.220 --> 01:34:42.080 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Alright. Sa Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, lumalabas diba ang pangalan ng Jaime Tan Cruz? 01:34:43.210 --> 01:34:49.990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Lumalabas po yung pangalan ni Jaime T. Cruz sa Metro City Chow Food Corporation based po sa Articles of Incorporation. Sa 01:34:49.990 --> 01:34:56.170 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Great Jolly Times Food Corporation, nandyan din ba ang pangalan ni Jaime Tan Cruz? 01:34:56.170 --> 01:34:57.480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nandyan din po. 01:34:57.480 --> 01:35:03.910 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Sa Dabao New Royal Taipan Foods Corporation, nandyan din ba ang pangalan ni Jaime Tan Cruz? 01:35:03.910 --> 01:35:05.115 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nandyan po. 01:35:05.115 --> 01:35:10.740 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Sa Dabao Emerging Taipans Corporation, nandyan din ba ang pangalan niya? 01:35:10.740 --> 01:35:12.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nandyan din po. 01:35:12.080 --> 01:35:19.080 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Sa Davao Bounty Times Food Corporation, nag-a-appear din ba ang pangalan niya dyan? 01:35:19.080 --> 01:35:20.820 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nandun din po ang pangalan niya. 01:35:20.820 --> 01:35:30.020 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Okay. Dito sa JCT Group of Companies, lumalabas ba na Jaime Tan Cruz ang chairman po nito? 01:35:37.340 --> 01:35:44.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Assisting counsel, kindly assist Atty. Del Rosario, JTC. 01:35:52.690 --> 01:36:13.380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Just to remind Senator-Judge Irwin, the reason why the witness is having a difficult time is because both JTC and Pikimon Corporations were not subpoenaed by the court because the name of the Vice President does not appear. 01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:14.520 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Yes, sir. 01:36:14.860 --> 01:36:18.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: as one of the shareholders in the GIS of that corporation. And 01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:19.080 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: as you correctly 01:36:19.080 --> 01:36:22.220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: pointed out, JTC might mean that person that you're mentioning. 01:36:22.360 --> 01:36:31.080 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Okay, well, anyway, I'll move on, Mr. Presiding Officer. Then, let me ask our prosecutor. 01:36:34.510 --> 01:36:39.950 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Maybe he can answer this or any of the members of the prosecution team. 01:36:43.320 --> 01:37:09.820 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Prosecutor, Ito po bang si Jaime Tan Cruz? Is this the same person? Basi po sa inyong pag-iimbestiga po dito po sa House Prosecution. Ito po bang Jaime Tan Cruz na ito is the same person na na-appoint mo po na dating Pangulong Duterte as a special envoy to China for trade and investment? 01:37:10.440 --> 01:37:14.000 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Yes, Your Honor. The same name, Your Honor. Same person. Is 01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:22.900 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: he the same person na inoferan po ng dating Pangulong Duterte na maging chairman po ng PhilHealth pero tinanggihan niya po? 01:37:23.340 --> 01:37:24.240 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Yes, Your Honor. 01:37:24.680 --> 01:37:35.520 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: If I'm not mistaken, tama po ba October 2019 po nung siya po ay na-appoint bilang Special Envoy to China for Trade and Investment? 01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:39.420 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: I'm not sure about the date but he was appointed, Your Honor. 01:37:39.740 --> 01:37:52.460 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: And then after that, tinanggihan niya na po after he stinted as an envoy, inoperan po siya bilang chairman po ng PhilHealth pero he denied or he did not accept. 01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:54.020 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: I believe so, Your Honor. 01:37:54.160 --> 01:37:57.190 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: So this is one and the same person, is that correct? 01:37:57.190 --> 01:37:57.870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes, Your Honor. 01:37:57.870 --> 01:38:01.000 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: I have no further questions, Mr. Presiding Officer. 01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:06.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator-Judge Rafi Tulfo is recognized for his interjection. 01:38:11.030 --> 01:38:13.010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may proceed when you're ready, sir. You have two minutes. 01:38:16.910 --> 01:38:22.315 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Mr. Witness, are you familiar with the Securities Regulation Code RA 8799? 01:38:22.315 --> 01:38:24.030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 01:38:24.030 --> 01:38:30.640 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Under the Securities Regulation Code, anong definition ng securities doon? 01:38:31.780 --> 01:38:53.810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Napakalawak po ng definition ng securities. Kabilang na rin po dyan yung securities po tulad po ng shares of stock o anumang intangible na pwedeng ibigay as investment. Isang produkto ng investment. Maaring investment contract na forms under the ambit of securities po. 01:38:57.110 --> 01:38:59.290 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Tama po. Securities po yan. 01:39:03.210 --> 01:39:04.210 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Tama po. 01:39:17.580 --> 01:39:36.870 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: So, ayon sa Article 7, Section 13, bawal sa isang government official tulad ng VP o presidente na magkaroon ng participation in any company. Ayon po sa nakasaad sa ating Constitution. That's violation of the Constitution, right? Opo. Thank you. That's all. 01:39:37.660 --> 01:39:40.980 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Tulfo. The Senate President is recognized. 01:39:43.430 --> 01:39:43.910 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: You 01:39:43.910 --> 01:39:45.250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready. 01:39:45.450 --> 01:39:50.290 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Presiding Officer. Good morning, Atty. Delosario. 01:39:50.290 --> 01:39:50.900 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Good morning. 01:39:50.900 --> 01:39:53.810 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Good morning sa aking kababayan na taga-Valenzuela. 01:39:54.430 --> 01:39:55.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magandang umaga po. 01:39:57.430 --> 01:40:03.830 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Atty., tinitignan ko pa itong summary na pinadala ninyo or ang ginawa ninyo. 01:40:05.700 --> 01:40:17.860 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Tama po ba na sa lahat po ng mga corporations na may kaugnayan kay Vice President Sara at kay Manassas Carpio, wala pong ni isa nag-declare ng dividends? 01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:22.580 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Wala pong informasyon kung nag-deklara sila ng dividendo. 01:40:22.820 --> 01:40:34.120 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Okay. So, ibig sabihin kung merong, kung babangga po namin ito sa SAL-N, hindi po pwedeng manggaling sa mga corporations niya yung paglaki ng kanyang net worth. 01:40:36.240 --> 01:40:43.400 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Tama po ba? Dahil kung by process of elimination, titignan natin yung mga corporations, pwede na nating i-rule out yung corporations. 01:40:44.350 --> 01:40:52.770 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung ayon po rito at wala po siyang natanggap na beneficiary yung dividendo, hindi ko po alam kung mayroon po siyang may dideklarang kinita out of this company. 01:40:53.110 --> 01:40:58.510 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Correct. Pwede sa ibang source. Hindi lang dito sa corporations. 01:40:58.510 --> 01:40:59.660 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:40:59.660 --> 01:41:02.570 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Tapos tinitignan ko rin po yung mga corporations. 01:41:04.810 --> 01:41:11.290 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Maliban sa GenCorp, Davao Emerging Taipans, SGT Fortune Horse, 01:41:13.950 --> 01:41:16.670 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Mati Ice Plant. Halos lahat po ay lugi. 01:41:18.340 --> 01:41:26.940 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Tama po. Itong kaso lang, ito si GenCorp, hindi naman po shareholder on record si Vice President Sara. 01:41:27.200 --> 01:41:28.400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po sa GenCorp. 01:41:28.660 --> 01:41:50.990 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: So yung may connection lang kay Atty. Manases at kay Vice President Sara ay Mati Ice Plant, Davao Merging Taipan, sa SGT. Ito lang yung kumita. The rest, tinitignan ko dito sa summary, lugi po siya. Tama po. And therefore, hindi ho makakadeclare ng dividends dahil lugi nga eh. 01:41:51.630 --> 01:41:56.630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pong mga deficit ang retained earnings po, hindi po makakapag-declare ng dividendo. 01:41:56.630 --> 01:41:56.830 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Correct. 01:41:56.950 --> 01:41:59.450 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Kakain pa nga yan sa capital niya. Tama 01:41:59.450 --> 01:41:59.630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. 01:42:00.970 --> 01:42:10.990 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Yung mga corporations na hindi ho nagde-declare, ito, I'll jump to another topic. Yung mga corporations na hindi ho nagpa-file ng GIS, 01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:23.780 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: EFS, yung audited financial statements. Hindi niyo ba pinapenalize yan sa inyong departamento dahil importanteng mga source of information to? 01:42:24.990 --> 01:42:48.280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po ay isang trabaho ng aking departamento, i-monitor yung kailang compliance na kung saan kung ang korporasyon, stockman o non-stock ay hindi nakapagsubmitin ang nasabing report, pinapadala po namin sila ng notice to submit. At kung magpapatuloy na hindi sila magsubmit na report, maaari po namin i-revoke yung kanilang Certificate of Registration. 01:42:48.440 --> 01:43:04.780 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: May mga nakita ko ang corporations dito na matagal nang hindi na sasubmit. Meron ba kayong pinadang letter sa kanila para i-compel sila magsubmit? At kung meron, anong action? At kung wala, meron ba kayong mga penalties na i-impose dito sa mga corporations? 01:43:06.260 --> 01:43:14.060 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. In fact, may dala po ako rito yung monitoring sheet about their violations. 01:43:15.830 --> 01:43:32.960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kapag notified po ang JS, pati na rin po ang financial statement, meron po akong hawak dito. At yung iba naman po sa mga nasabing korporasyon ay na-rebalk na namin o dili kaya ay nagpa-dissolve na sila. o nag-shorten ang corporate term. 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:37.280 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Meron 01:43:37.280 --> 01:43:37.380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po 01:43:37.380 --> 01:43:37.540 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: ako. 01:43:44.210 --> 01:43:46.390 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Yung kasama 01:43:46.390 --> 01:43:57.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po sa pangalan ng mga kumpanya ito ay itong CYKNT Davao Corporation. Narevoke po namin ito noong 2018 dahil hindi po nagsasubmit ng report. 01:43:59.790 --> 01:44:10.770 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ito pong SGT Fortune Horse Corporation. Nag-shorten na po ito ng corporate term. Ang buhay po nila hanggang July 29, 2017 na lang po. 01:44:12.350 --> 01:44:15.320 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: At mayroon pa pong isa. 01:44:17.830 --> 01:44:26.630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ito pong Three Kids Racking Services Incorporated na nag-shorten din po ng kanyang term until July 24, 2017. 01:44:27.230 --> 01:44:35.820 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: So ito mga ito ay by... Dahil po sa mandato ninyo, sila po ay na-revoke na yung kanilang incorporation. 01:44:36.060 --> 01:44:41.420 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung isa po, yung dalawa po, sila po mismo ang kusang nag-file ng application to shorten the corporate term. 01:44:41.580 --> 01:44:49.430 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: So, obviously, hindi rin ito pwede maging source ng income sa paglaki ng net worth ni VP Sara. 01:44:49.430 --> 01:44:50.280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:44:50.280 --> 01:44:52.160 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. 01:44:53.710 --> 01:45:06.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator-Judge Hontiveros is recognized. You may proceed, ma'am, when you're ready. There is no one else except for me, though. A Senator-Judge Pangilinan din before Senator-Judge Hontiveros. 01:45:07.660 --> 01:45:08.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You 01:45:08.180 --> 01:45:12.200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: may proceed, sir, when you're ready. You have two minutes. Thereafter, Senator-Judge Hontiveros. 01:45:13.400 --> 01:45:14.060 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Thank you 01:45:14.060 --> 01:45:14.260 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: very much. 01:45:14.260 --> 01:45:14.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let's try to 01:45:14.580 --> 01:45:16.630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: wrap up with this witness before lunch. 01:45:16.630 --> 01:45:18.860 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Magandang umaga, Attorney... 01:45:18.860 --> 01:45:20.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magandang umaga po. 01:45:20.080 --> 01:45:30.410 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: ...Del Rosario. Tama ba na doon sa GIS ng GenCorp ay ang kumpanyang JTC Group ay 01:45:32.280 --> 01:45:34.780 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Nasa list ng shareholders. 01:46:06.620 --> 01:46:18.620 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ayon po sa 2025 GIS ng GenCorp Industries Inc., si JTC Group of Companies po ay shareholders ng nasabing korporasyon. 01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:27.250 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: At ilang porsyento ng shares ang pag-aari ng JTC Group sa GenCorp? 01:46:27.850 --> 01:46:32.390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po rito meron po siyang 54.99% ownership. 01:46:32.850 --> 01:46:39.350 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So majority ng GENCORP is owned by JTC? 01:46:39.350 --> 01:46:41.300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Ayon po dito. 01:46:41.300 --> 01:46:51.730 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. Hindi ba may requirement ng disclosure as to sino talaga ang may control ng GENCORP sa SEC? 01:46:52.460 --> 01:46:58.945 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po yung mga, yung pong informasyon na yan ay nakasaad sa ating, sa aming BO declaration form. 01:46:58.945 --> 01:47:00.630 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Ano yung BO? 01:47:00.630 --> 01:47:02.090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Beneficial Ownership 01:47:02.090 --> 01:47:02.580 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Declaration. 01:47:02.580 --> 01:47:04.750 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So, required yan? 01:47:04.750 --> 01:47:05.900 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kailangan po. 01:47:05.900 --> 01:47:14.940 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So, would you have that document? Sino ang beneficial owner ng JTC Corporation? 01:47:15.790 --> 01:47:22.690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Gaya po nang nasabi ko, sinusubite po yan sa SEC pero wala po sa aming pangangalaga sa aking departamento ang kopya na yan. 01:47:22.890 --> 01:47:36.840 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So, in other words, based on the documents, ang JTC Corporation ang majority stockholder ng GenCorp. 01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:38.445 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:47:38.445 --> 01:47:44.160 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Para lang sa ating mga kababayan, pag majority stockholder ka, 01:47:46.970 --> 01:47:54.815 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Ano ang mga kapangyarihan na meron ka bilang majority stockholder ng isang kumpanya? 01:47:54.815 --> 01:47:57.860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po kayong guaranteed seat sa board. 01:48:00.380 --> 01:48:01.080 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Mataas 01:48:01.080 --> 01:48:03.420 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ang iyong dibidendo kung meron po mang dideklara. 01:48:15.490 --> 01:48:27.070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Gawa po ng malaking porsyento rin po yung board na maaari mong ilagay sa board directors. Malaking porsyento din po about control or decision 01:48:27.070 --> 01:48:28.200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ang magagawa mo. 01:48:28.200 --> 01:48:35.410 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So pwede mong tanggalin ang presidente with 54% of the votes of the shares at palitan? 01:48:35.410 --> 01:48:37.190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung presidente po, opo. 01:48:37.190 --> 01:48:41.045 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Pwede rin palitan ang members of the board? 01:48:41.045 --> 01:48:43.350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron pong required votes na two-thirds. 01:48:43.350 --> 01:48:52.940 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Yes, tama. Two-thirds pagka Board of Directors. Pero yung Presidente, Treasurer, pwede ng majority. 01:48:55.030 --> 01:48:58.970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Ang Presidente, solong na hindi mo siya tatanggalin as member of the Board. 01:48:59.150 --> 01:49:12.370 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Yes. So in other words, JTC na ang beneficial owner or ang major shareholder ng GenCorp, pwede palitan. Yung presidente ng GENCO. 01:49:12.370 --> 01:49:13.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:49:13.490 --> 01:49:38.280 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. Hindi ba dapat, well, I will leave that to the presiding officer, but perhaps at this time, we should be able to subpoena the records, should we, after the presentation, of course, of both panels, the corporate documents and records of JTC. 01:49:40.150 --> 01:49:46.010 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: But I will address that or we will tackle that later on. 01:49:49.940 --> 01:50:00.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The chair will take it under advisement and shall await action emanating from the panel of prosecutors, Senator-Judge Pangilinan. Thank you. And will act accordingly thereafter. 01:50:01.470 --> 01:50:03.170 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So kung 01:50:05.450 --> 01:50:11.320 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: ang JTC ay stockholder ng GenCorp, kailangan, 01:50:15.770 --> 01:50:31.920 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: yes, just to place it on record, we must Know who JTC, who the stockholders are of JTC because they ultimately control or at least through, I mean GenCorp. 01:50:33.870 --> 01:50:34.490 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. 01:50:36.580 --> 01:50:49.440 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Tama ba na sa GenCorp, stockholder ang City Hall, may mga officers at stockholders ng GenCorp na sila rin ay nasa City Hall Chow Foods Corporation? 01:50:51.300 --> 01:50:52.160 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Just to... 01:50:54.370 --> 01:50:57.150 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon 01:51:21.730 --> 01:51:29.350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po sa GS ng GenCorp, maging ang City Chow Food Corporation, meron po silang common stockholders. 01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:46.830 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Yes, so City Corp, City Hall, King Chow Foods at GenCorp. Just to wrap up, pati ang Metro City Chow Foods, iba pa yun, meron ding stockholder ang GenCorp sa Metro City 01:51:46.830 --> 01:51:49.550 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Chow Food. Sa Metro City po meron po. 01:51:49.770 --> 01:52:02.800 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: At meron din sa... Okay. So yung dalawang yun, no? City Hall at Metro ay mayroong shareholders, common shareholders and officers with GenCorp. 01:52:02.980 --> 01:52:06.520 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. City Hall, Metro and... City 01:52:06.650 --> 01:52:08.220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hall, Metro and GenCorp. 01:52:08.220 --> 01:52:13.340 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: And GenCorp is majority shareholder is JTC. 01:52:13.340 --> 01:52:14.400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:52:14.400 --> 01:52:17.990 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. No other questions at this first round, 01:52:18.030 --> 01:52:18.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mr. President? 01:52:18.570 --> 01:52:19.310 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Thank you. Thank 01:52:19.310 --> 01:52:23.070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you, Senator-Judge Pangilinan. Senator-Judge Hontiveros. 01:52:31.490 --> 01:52:35.730 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Salamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer. Magandang umaga po muli, Atty. Del Rosario. 01:52:36.010 --> 01:52:36.910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magandang umaga po, ma'am. 01:52:37.840 --> 01:52:51.870 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Sir, ayon po sa mga records ng SEC, paano niyo po malalaman kung magkano ang binayad ni VP Duterte at o ng asawa niya para sa mga shares sa isang kumpanya? 01:52:53.560 --> 01:53:00.510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang information lamang po na Masasabi namin kung magkano ay kung ano ang nakatala sa kanyang Articles of Incorporation. 01:53:01.530 --> 01:53:05.930 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So malalaman po ng SEC yun kung sa Articles of Incorporation. 01:53:05.930 --> 01:53:13.430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung figure po na nakalagay as paid up capital, yun po yung alam kong parte ng kanyang binayad na investment. Under 01:53:13.430 --> 01:53:15.250 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: paid up capital. 01:53:15.810 --> 01:53:16.410 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 01:53:16.730 --> 01:53:16.990 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Okay. 01:53:18.750 --> 01:53:26.030 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Posible po ba na mas malaki ang binayad niya o nila kesa sa par value ng shares na yun? 01:53:27.450 --> 01:53:31.870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nangyayari naman po na merong additional paid-in capital. 01:53:32.490 --> 01:53:33.130 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Pero 01:53:33.130 --> 01:53:40.310 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: base po sa dokumentong ito, wala naman po nagpapakita na meron siyang APIC. Na merong? APIC, yung additional paid-in capital. 01:53:41.270 --> 01:53:46.090 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Okay. So, hindi nyo ito makikita kahit saan? 01:53:46.810 --> 01:54:02.450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa disclosure po during incorporation, dapat po nakasaad na kung merong siyang premium o APIC. Dahil yan din po ang basehan kung magkano rin po yung dapat bayaran ng kumpanya sa pagpaparehisto ng korporasyon sa amin. 01:54:02.650 --> 01:54:10.550 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So kung hindi po nakalagay yung APIC o yung premium, hindi nyo po makikita? Opo. Okay po. 01:54:12.240 --> 01:54:31.680 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Kapag naman po may isang public official na siya mismo ang nagdeklara sa kanyang salin na meron siyang interest sa isang kumpanya, Pero yung pangalan niya ay hindi po nag-a-appear doon sa GIS bilang stockholder. 01:54:33.390 --> 01:54:40.890 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Hindi ba yun precisely isang bagay yun na dapat tignan o i-review, mag-take action ng SEC? 01:54:43.220 --> 01:54:51.120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Unang-una po ma'am, wala po kaming access on the SAL-N. Therefore, hindi po namin alam kung yung mga kumpanyang in 01:54:51.120 --> 01:54:54.060 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: -list niya roon ay talagang kabilang siya. 01:54:56.080 --> 01:55:13.800 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So, paano po ba tinatrato itong ganitong sitwasyon ng inyong ahensya na wala yung pangalan ng isang opisyal bilang stockholder sa GIS pero na pag-aalaman ninyo na siya mismo inilagay yung pangalan niya sa SAL-N? 01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:52.970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kami magiging action dyan. Gawa po ng base sa record namin, hindi naman po talaga siya stockholder. Ngayon, kung meron po siyang allegation sa kanyang SAL-N na Stockholder siya dito pero wala siyang proof on the registration document sa amin. Siguro po, ibang ahensya po siguro dapat mag-investiga on that. Dahil ang mandato lang po namin ay improve ang capital market. In fact, ang mahalaga nga po sa amin ay yung corporate formations na kaya hinihikayat nga po namin sila na magtayo ng kumpanya sa Pilipinas. 01:55:54.230 --> 01:56:03.410 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Aling ibang ahensya ang dapat mag-imbestiga kung may ganitong sitwasyon na official mismo magsabi sa SAL-N niya kahit wala siya doon sa GIS? 01:56:04.250 --> 01:56:32.630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Una po ang SAL-N ay sinusumiti po, ang alam ko, sa Ombudsman. Kaya para nga sa akin po, yung provision sa Constitution, sila rin po sigurang tumingin. Dahil yung provision na po ito, alam ko, hindi naman dapat ipatupad ng ahensya kundi sarili niya mismo alam niya dapat. kung ano yung restriction sa kanya. Ayon sa pagkakaunawa niya sa definisyon dun sa Section 7, Article 7, Section 13. 01:56:33.430 --> 01:56:42.050 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Kung inilagay sa SAL-N kahit wala siya sa GIS, maituturing ba yan na admission against interest? 01:56:46.380 --> 01:56:51.370 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Admission against interest. Sa akin po, interest nga po yun eh. 01:56:56.370 --> 01:57:17.720 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: And ano naman po yung ginagawa ng SEC para makita Kung may indirect ownership, beneficial ownership, nominee arrangement, intermediary o iba pang layer ng corporate ownership sa mga kumpanya na isinusumite sa inyo sa mga dokumento. 01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:29.600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Iyon nga pong beneficial ownership form. Yun po ang magsisilbing reporting sa amin upang malaman kung sino talaga yung ultimate ownership which should be na dapat ay natural person. 01:57:31.790 --> 01:57:31.910 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: At 01:57:31.910 --> 01:57:40.260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: maiwasan din po yung mga corporate layering at maipakita rin sino ba talaga ang may control nung nasabing shares of stock. 01:57:41.640 --> 01:58:00.900 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So dun lamang po sa beneficial ownership form, yun lamang po yung magagawa ninyo para makita kung sino talaga ang nagmamayari at sino talagang nakikinabang sa mga nakadeklara sa mga dokumentong sinusumite sa inyo. Tama po ma'am. 01:58:01.080 --> 01:58:01.780 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Okay. 01:58:03.740 --> 01:58:04.420 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So 01:58:12.610 --> 01:58:21.690 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: baka huli po Atty. Del Rosario, ano po yung effect ng isang undeclared beneficial ownership sa pananaw po ng SEC? 01:58:23.100 --> 01:58:27.820 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, alam ko po ay nire-review rin po siya ng aming Enforcement Department. 01:58:29.500 --> 01:59:02.170 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ibabase po sa mga submission nila. Kasi kailangan po talagang isubmit yan. We require them to submit fruitful beneficial ownership declaration. Kaya po minomorder din po siya ng aming enforcement department kung natugunan po ng kumpanya ang tamang disclosure. Kung ano po ang penalty, medyo hindi ko po kayang sagutin kung it will revoke the company or what or meron mang monetary penalty dahil hindi nga po kami parte nung pag-review niyan. 01:59:03.210 --> 01:59:09.850 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Bukod sa undeclared beneficial ownership, ano pa po yung nire-review ninyong enforcement department ng SEC? 01:59:11.020 --> 01:59:18.960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ang enforcement po is more on securities violation, investment fraud, investment scam. 01:59:23.530 --> 01:59:29.150 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yun po, yung iniimbestigahan po tungkol sa mga violation ng anti-dummy law, 01:59:29.270 --> 01:59:31.050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: yung 01:59:32.040 --> 01:59:45.910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: fictitious na mga incorporator, stockholders, paging po yung ultra-virus ay part po ng kanilang iniimbestigahan. So 01:59:50.960 --> 02:00:05.580 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: bukod dun sa undeclared beneficial ownership at yung ilang pang kababanggit ninyo, ano pa sa mga provisions ng Anti-Dummy Law ang nire-review ng inyong enforcement department. 02:00:12.290 --> 02:00:12.930 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nabanggit ko na po... 02:00:12.930 --> 02:00:13.470 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Kung meron pa 02:00:13.470 --> 02:00:13.570 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: po. 02:00:13.670 --> 02:00:18.960 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Maraming salamat po, Attorney Del Rosario. Salamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer. 02:00:20.510 --> 02:00:32.790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: To avail of his second round, may I acknowledge for Senator-Judge Bam Aquino, thereafter, Senator-Judge Rafi Tulfo. 02:00:34.240 --> 02:00:38.840 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Magandang araw. Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. I forgot this is my second round already. 02:00:40.780 --> 02:00:57.740 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Hindi po ito para kay Atty. Del Rosario. Gusto po nating malaman ano ba ang role ni Vice President Sara Duterte sa GEN Corp. Okay? Hindi talaga ito malalaman ng ating witness. Hindi niyo po yan malalaman, di ba? 02:00:57.740 --> 02:00:58.640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:00:58.640 --> 02:01:08.660 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay. Ang alam lang natin, si Vice President Sara mismo, Yung naglagay ng kumpanyang GenCorp sa kanyang SAL-N. Is that correct, Atty. Erwin? 02:01:10.580 --> 02:01:14.960 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Yes, Your Honor, for her 2024 and 2025 SAL-Ns. 02:01:14.980 --> 02:01:26.400 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Meaning, ang Vice President mismo ang naglagay ng kumpanya sa kanyang SAL-N kaya natin nalaman na meron siyang interes. Pero hindi natin alam kung ano mismo yung interes na iyon. 02:01:27.580 --> 02:01:30.620 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Nilagay po sa SAL-N SH. 02:01:32.600 --> 02:01:33.690 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: SH? 02:01:33.690 --> 02:01:37.880 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: SH, which presupposes that stockholder po. 02:01:38.540 --> 02:01:42.450 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay, pero wala siya sa GIS, correct no? Tama to? 02:01:42.450 --> 02:01:43.230 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:01:43.230 --> 02:02:12.490 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay. So, sa palagay ko, merong confusion ngayon, paikot-ikot tayo. Dalawang tao lang yung makakaalam kung ano talaga yung role niya. Siya mismo, so let me ask Atty. Justin, of course, ikaw na bahala kung alam mo itong sagot o kung sasagutin mo. So ang kliyente ninyo, ang respondent, siya mismo yung naglagay ng GenCorp sa kanyang salin. Ano nga ba ang kanyang role sa GenCorp? 02:02:13.160 --> 02:02:38.030 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Your Honor, with all due respect, and while I understand where you're coming from, it would be premature for the defense to discuss those matters because currently, Your Honor, it is the prosecution's turn. And may we ask to refer this question to the presiding officer since I believe the impeachment court is a passive body and it should receive evidence at a timely time. Atatlayan niyo part of the proceedings which is at this point, Your Honor, premature. Apologies, Senator Judge. 02:02:38.030 --> 02:02:38.050 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Yes, I 02:02:38.050 --> 02:03:15.320 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: was expecting that answer, Attorney Justin. Pero ibabalikan ko lang yung nasabi ng mga Amici Q. Ray na at the end of the day, itong courting ito is sui generis and we can follow our own path towards truth and fairness. That's why I'm giving you this option. Ang sinasabi mo, you will probably answer this during your time. So I respect that. The other person na pwede magsabi kung ano yung role ni Vice President Sara is of course GenCorp. Si GenCorp mismo. So sino bang presidente ng GenCorp? Nasa ano niyo po ba? Attorney Del Rosario? Sino po bang corporate officers ng GenCorp? 02:03:17.660 --> 02:03:23.680 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Sa palagay ko, sila mismo pwede magsabi kung ano yung role ni Vice President Sara ito sa GenCorp. 02:03:25.550 --> 02:03:28.030 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Who are the corporate officers? Who are the owners? 02:03:58.680 --> 02:04:01.060 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Corporate Secretary po ay si Gurley S. Delacruz. 02:04:01.460 --> 02:04:11.830 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay. So, any of them would be able to tell us ano ba ang role ni Vice President Sara Duterte dito as corporate officers? Tama po ba? 02:04:11.830 --> 02:04:12.400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:04:12.600 --> 02:04:12.980 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Okay. 02:04:13.160 --> 02:04:28.100 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: So, I leave that to the prosecution kasi lang nais nating malaman ano ba talaga ang role niya dito. It's possible it could, maybe it's, maybe it could even be her husband. Hindi natin alam, di ba? Tama ba? 02:04:29.620 --> 02:04:37.420 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Atty. Erwin, pag naglalagay ka ng salin, posibleng yung asawa yung nakatukoy sa mga business interests, correct? 02:04:37.420 --> 02:04:39.970 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Posible po, or anak, pwede rin po yun. 02:04:39.970 --> 02:04:55.720 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay, so we don't know. The answer is we don't know and we want to know, we want to find out. So, sa palagay ko, ito pong witness natin, nasagot niya yung kaya niyang masagot. Pero yung ibang mga kasagutan dito, ibang tao na siguro yung pwedeng sumagot. Yun lang po, Mr. Presiding Officer. Maraming salamat. 02:04:55.840 --> 02:05:03.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you. With the indulgence of Senator-Judge JV, who is availing of his first round, I believe Senator-Judge Raffi has only one question. 02:05:05.480 --> 02:05:09.860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Then, Senator-Judge Raffi. 02:05:14.770 --> 02:06:02.650 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Kahapon po, bilang sagot sa tanong ko, Atty. Gular responded that my question called for an answer. to a hypothetical question. Tama naman kung datusin. Kasi hindi naman po sila ang tinasabi kong brilliant lawyers ni VP Sara when she ran for vice president. Now, ito ang tanong ko para kay Attorney Del Rosario. Para po hindi na maging hypothetical ang tanong ko, kung isang public official ay pasok sa enumeration ng Article 7, Section 13 ng Constitution, automatic po ba na dapat mag-divest ng opisyal? base sa regulasyon ng SEC. Ang sagot po ninyo kahapon, walang ganong regulasyon at least at the level of the SEC. Tama? 02:06:03.270 --> 02:07:16.960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pong sagot ko on that ay kung meron kaming guidelines to report. Kung ang opisyalis na ito ay magtayo ng kumpanya o maging parte ng kumpanya, wala po kaming guidelines on that na dapat namin siyang i-report sa OP, sa Senate, sa House, o sa Judiciary. o sa ombudsman to flag yung mga tao na iyon. Yun po yung wala kaming guidelines. Pero kung sa yung tanong niyo po ngayon kung dapat po siyang may divest, malinaw mo naman po sa batas na meron prohibition. Na dapat sana, alam niya, bilang mataas na ka-opisyal ng gobyerno, na pinanumpaan niya nun siya ay nag-swear to act as president, vice president, na iyon ang Iyon ang kanyang limitasyon. Kaya dapat sana bago siya nanumpa, tinanggal na niya o nag-divest na po siya. Na nakita naman po natin meron ditong GES na kung saan na hindi naging party na si Bibi Sara sa ilang kumpanya nung dumating yung at least 2019 pa po nga ay hindi na rin nag-appear yung kanyang pangalan. Siguro yun po yung divestment. 02:07:17.600 --> 02:07:34.860 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Maraming salamat po sa inyong kasagutan. So, binigit po ninyo that the SEC does not proactively flag these cases. Sino pong ordinarily ang dapat makapansin at mag-correct nito kung kailangan ng koreksyon? Tama po ba na ang documents are ordinarily prepared by the Corporate Secretary? 02:07:34.860 --> 02:07:35.960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:07:37.540 --> 02:08:13.510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nangyayari naman po sa amin yan na mayroong pagkakamali yung opisyal na nagsumite. Ang usual na nangyayari po ay nagpapahal sila sa atin ng petition to amend or to correct yung document. So long na within the jurisdiction ng aming tanggapan, yung issue of correction, gagawin po namin. Pero upang correction will entail corporate, meron po ng tinatawag na intra-corporate controversy. Let's say, tinanggal siya, bakit ako tinanggal? That's issue of corporate controversy which we refer the matter to the regular court. 02:08:14.190 --> 02:08:38.450 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Thank you, sir. So, may ibang records pa po ba sa SEC na magpapakita kung ang direktor ba ay pumirma ng mga resolusyons, bumoto on any corporate decision, or nag-participate in management after assuming office? Kasi gusto lang po namin maging fair dito. We want the court to decide or come up with legal conclusions based on only on the documents and evidence available to us. 02:08:39.820 --> 02:09:00.360 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming record unless mag-submit sila dahil ang talagang Inaasahan namin i-submitin nila sa amin ay yung JS at financial statement lang. Pero on this, wala po kami makitang resolusyon showing na yung participation niya sa kumpanyang ito, na nilagdaan niya. Wala po kami ganong informasyon. 02:09:00.700 --> 02:09:03.820 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Thank you, sir. No further questions. Thank 02:09:03.820 --> 02:09:10.420 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you, Senator-Judge Rafi. Senator-Judge Javy, you may proceed when you're ready. You have two minutes, sir. 02:09:10.600 --> 02:09:11.840 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. 02:09:14.030 --> 02:09:28.370 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: If a person is a shareholder of a corporation but has never received any dividends from it, does the absence of dividends income meaning that he has no participation in the business or no financial interest in the corporation? 02:09:41.350 --> 02:09:48.270 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Siya po ay may interest sa korporasyon. Meron na siyang matanggap o walang dibidendo, hindi po yan 02:09:48.270 --> 02:09:48.410 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ang 02:09:48.410 --> 02:09:57.610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: basehan para sabihin niya na hindi na siya stockholder. Kinakailangan hawak pa rin po niya yung interest, yung shares of stock para sabihin shareholder pa rin siya. 02:09:58.460 --> 02:10:32.640 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang isa pa po ay if a person is merely a shareholder of a corporation without taking part in its management, yung kanina sinabi ni Senator-Judge Tulpo, operations or business decisions, Does the mere continued ownership of shares by itself mean that the person is willfully continuing to engage in the business or corporation? Ang shareholder po ba ay hindi man lang nakikilahok sa pamamahala, operasyon, o disisyon ng negosyo? Ibig sabihin ba ay nangalugan ba na willfully continue to engage in the business ng korporasyon pa rin po siya? 02:10:33.840 --> 02:10:36.440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tulad po nang sabi ko, habang hawak mo ang shares of stock, 02:10:36.990 --> 02:10:37.430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung 02:10:37.430 --> 02:10:43.970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ngayong participation ay dispassive, umaasa ka lang sa dividendo o wala kang matanggap, shareholder pa 02:10:43.970 --> 02:11:00.850 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: rin po kayo. At ang huli po, ayan, gusto ko lang liwanagin din yung kaninang punto po ng Senator-Judge Hontiveros. Yung isang public official ba, yung pagkakaroon ba ng financial interest ay sapat na po bang sa GIS lamang o kinakailangan sa SAL-M din po? Para malaman. 02:11:02.060 --> 02:11:34.010 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, unang-una nga po, ang... Ang information sa ating JS ay information na nanggagaling sa corporation through the corporate secretary. Yung SAL-N naman po ay personal na ginagawa noong empleyado. Dapat po sana kung ano ang pag-aari niya, kung ano ang pagkakautang niya, isaad niya ng tama sa SAL-N. Kasi yan naman po ang inaasahan. At yan po ang dahilan kung bakit tayo nagkaroon ng SAL-N. Para maging transparent tayo, i-disclose natin ang lahat ng yaman natin, maging ang utang natin, ilagay natin doon. No further questions, Mr. 02:11:34.110 --> 02:11:34.310 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: President? 02:11:35.050 --> 02:11:58.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge. Just a few interjections from the chair. We shall be done in a few minutes. And we will be resuming at 1 o'clock after lunch. Atty. Del Rosario, normal po ba o kakaiba na walang dinedeklaran dividendo ang mga kumpanyang dumadaan sa inyo, base sa inyong mga dokumentong nare-receive mula sa iba't ibang tao? 02:11:59.100 --> 02:12:04.200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Una-una po, ang talagang basihan kung bakit gustong mag-invest ng isang shareholder is yung 02:12:04.200 --> 02:12:04.720 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: dividendo. Hindi po yun ang 02:12:04.720 --> 02:12:15.030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: tanong ko. Base po ba sa mga dine-report sa inyo, sa mga natatanggap yung dokumento, normal po ba o kakaiba na walang dinedeklaran dividendo ang isang kumpanya? 02:12:15.790 --> 02:12:20.210 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nasabihin ko po ang kakaiba dahil meron naman po siyang unrestricted retained earnings. 02:12:20.670 --> 02:12:23.530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung meron unrestricted retained earnings. At 02:12:23.530 --> 02:12:28.990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ang binigay naman po ng batas is word na may. Ibig sabihin, discretion pa rin ng board. So 02:12:28.990 --> 02:12:57.090 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: normal po siya kung may unrestricted retained earnings. Tama po. Hindi po siya... Normal at bawal siya pag wala. Tama po. So ang tanong ko po, hindi pa rin niyo po nasasagot. Sa mga dokumentong pinaproseso niyo sa dinami-dami po niya ng opisina niyo, ang normal po ba o kakaiba ang pagdeklara ng dividendo? Meron man o walang unrestricted retained earnings ang isang kumpanya? Ano po yung mas marami? Yung nagdede-deklara ng dividendo o yung hindi? 02:12:58.110 --> 02:13:00.570 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po ako nakitang nagdeklara ng dividendo. 02:13:02.470 --> 02:13:03.950 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Basis ang nire-report sa inyo? 02:13:04.170 --> 02:13:09.220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Sa mga kumpanya ito, maliban sa mga kumpanya na nabanggit po kahapon. Hindi lang po 02:13:09.220 --> 02:13:22.230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ito. Yung ibang sinusumete sa inyo. Base po sa inyong malawak na karanasan bilang opisyal ng SEC, normal po bang nagde-declare, mas marami po ba nagde-declare ng dividendo o hindi? 02:13:22.980 --> 02:13:23.440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: I 02:13:23.440 --> 02:13:26.300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: assume po na mayroon pong marami nagde-declare ng dividendo. 02:13:26.740 --> 02:13:27.760 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Marami din pong wala? 02:13:28.180 --> 02:13:29.160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Marami din pong wala. 02:13:29.440 --> 02:13:31.820 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung bibigyan niyo po ng prosento, 50-50? 02:13:34.160 --> 02:13:34.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Maaaring 02:13:34.680 --> 02:13:34.940 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ganun 02:13:34.940 --> 02:13:39.030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: po. So, kalahati nagdedeklara, kalahati hindi. At wala naman po ang bawal doon. O, 02:13:39.050 --> 02:13:40.050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: para po sa taong iyon. 02:13:40.510 --> 02:13:40.980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 02:13:40.980 --> 02:13:50.130 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ngayon, ang Executive Committee po ay nilikha ng Board of Directors para kumatawan sa kanya, hindi po ba? 02:13:50.130 --> 02:13:51.110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:13:51.110 --> 02:13:54.010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mas maliit na Board of Directors po siya, hindi po ba? 02:13:54.010 --> 02:13:54.960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:13:54.960 --> 02:14:01.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi po siya ang nagpapatakbo ng pang-araw-araw na gawain ng kumpanya o day-to-day operations, ika nga? 02:14:01.710 --> 02:14:02.350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:14:02.670 --> 02:14:03.930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sino po ang gumagawa noon? 02:14:05.100 --> 02:14:14.940 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ng pang-araw-araw. Yung pong mga opisyal tulad ng presidente, treasurer, secretary, yan po ang may... CEO, 02:14:15.040 --> 02:14:31.140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: COO. Tama po. Hindi po ang stockholder. Hindi po ang shareholder. Hindi po ang director. Hindi po ang director. Hindi po ang member ng executive committee. Hindi po. Maliba na lang kung opisyal din siya at the same time. 02:14:31.610 --> 02:14:31.790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: At 02:14:31.790 --> 02:14:35.670 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: tama po kung ang director ay at the same time presidente, treasurer, or secretary. 02:14:37.210 --> 02:14:53.870 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Susubukan ko pong itulay yung tinatanong kanina ni Sen. Ban para sa kalaman ng Sen. Judges ganyan din ang publiko upang hindi tayo mahirapan itahi-tahi ito. May I request the Sergeant, the Clerk of Court, to kindly furnish the witness. 02:14:55.520 --> 02:15:01.600 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: with the SAL-N of VP-SARA for 2015, 2016, and 2024. 02:15:03.120 --> 02:15:12.240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: These are respectively Exhibit P, Roman numeral number 2, dash 1, dash 1, dash G, dash P, dash 1. 02:15:14.490 --> 02:15:32.640 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Exhibit P dash Roman numeral number 2, dash 1, dash 1, dash H, dash P, dash I N.P. Roman numeral 2-1-R1-Q-P-1 Nakita niyo na 02:15:32.640 --> 02:15:55.830 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: po? Nakita ko na po. Unahin po natin yung sa 2015, yung ikalawa sa huling pahina, kung saan nakalagay po yung business interests, business financial interests. Nandun na po kayo? Nandun na po. Ayan, binanggit po kanina itong pag-usapan kahit kahapon, yung City Hall King Chow Foods Corp. At saka Metro City Chow Foods Corp. 02:15:56.520 --> 02:15:57.220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:15:59.930 --> 02:16:01.970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Incorporator o shareholder ba si VP Saerdon? 02:16:03.230 --> 02:16:10.840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: City Hall po, opo. Metro Chow? Sa Metro Chow po, incorporator din po siya. 02:16:11.440 --> 02:16:15.080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Incorporated din po siya. At yan din po ang nakalagay sa sale niya? Tama po. 02:16:17.230 --> 02:16:22.520 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nakalagay din po rito sa kanyang sale na siya incorporator. At stockholder? 02:16:22.520 --> 02:16:24.020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa stockholder. 02:16:24.360 --> 02:16:29.250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: May tanong po ako. Nakaslash po dun sa salihan niya yung dalawang kumpanyang yan. 02:16:30.960 --> 02:16:31.760 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kita niyo po? 02:16:32.020 --> 02:16:33.380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo, nakasulat po rito. 02:16:34.370 --> 02:16:44.530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: City Hall King Chow Foods Corp. slash Metro City Chow Foods Corp. Opo. Kung alam niyo lang po, bakit po siya nakaslash? Anong ibig sabihin nun? 02:16:48.880 --> 02:17:02.020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang unang interpretasyon ko po rito, kahit nung pang ito ay nirequest sa amin, baka kako itong City Hall ay dating Metro Chow. Pero hindi naman po gano'n. 02:17:02.220 --> 02:17:05.800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kumbaga, former company name siya. Ibang 02:17:05.800 --> 02:17:07.320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: kumpanya po yung binabanggit niyo. 02:17:07.480 --> 02:17:11.260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ngayon po, nung nakita ko nga po ang record, magkaibang kumpanya ito. So 02:17:11.260 --> 02:17:12.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ito ay magkaibang kumpanya? 02:17:12.780 --> 02:17:13.800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magkaibang kumpanya po. 02:17:14.890 --> 02:17:27.020 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pangalawa po, yung Great Jolly Times Food Corporation at Times Square B Foods Corporation. Base po sa inyong records, shareholder, incorporator po ba ang vice president? 02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:46.600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa Great Jolly Times Food Corporation po. Hindi po nag-a-appear ang kanyang pangalan dito. Sa 02:17:46.600 --> 02:17:50.240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Times Square B Foods Corporation, nag-a-appear po ba ang pangalan niya? 02:17:50.520 --> 02:17:56.800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi rin po nag-a-appear ang pangalan ni BP Sara sa Times Square B Food Corporation. 02:17:57.640 --> 02:18:10.230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bilang incorporator o shareholder o stockholder? Tama po. Diyan po sa dokumentong hawak niyo sa sale niya, nakalagay po ba na stockholder at incorporator siya? 02:18:10.740 --> 02:18:19.400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nakalagay po na siya po ay incorporator slash stockholder ng Great Jolly Times Food Corporation pati ng Times Square Beef Food Corporation. 02:18:20.150 --> 02:18:24.310 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ngayon, dumako po tayo sa 2024 na salaya niya. 02:18:27.660 --> 02:18:43.730 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Nakalagay po dito, kung papansinin niyo po sa ikalawa, sa huling pahina, sa ikaliwa bago ang huling pahina muli, yung GenCorp Industries Incorporated. Pakibasa nga po yung entry dun sa name of entity, business enterprise? 02:18:45.680 --> 02:18:55.640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa pangalawang grupo po merong GENCORP Industries Inc., formerly Times Square B, Food Corporation, and Great Jolly Times Food. 02:18:56.100 --> 02:19:02.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung alam nyo lang po, ano po ibig sabihin ng formerly kung i-interpret nyo po ito bilang official ng SEC? 02:19:04.020 --> 02:19:16.480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung makikita ko po ito, isipin ko na ito yung dating pangalan ni GENCORP. Subalit, base sa inyong record, may kanya-kanya po siyang juridical entity personality. 02:19:17.160 --> 02:19:29.980 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ito po ay tatlong ibat-ibang kumpanya. Tama po. GenCorp ay ibang kumpanya sa Times B Foods Corp sa Great Jolly Times Food. Iba-ibang kumpanya po ito. 02:19:30.140 --> 02:19:32.880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Tatlong kumpanya ang may kanya-kanyang personality. 02:19:32.880 --> 02:19:39.420 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi po na unang kumpanya ang Times Square B Foods at ang Great Jolly Times Food sa GenCorp. 02:19:39.690 --> 02:19:41.910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala pong ganung record ang aming pisina. 02:19:42.130 --> 02:19:47.370 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi po sumalin, humalinhin, at pumalit ang GenCorp sa dalawang kumpanyang ito. Tama 02:19:47.370 --> 02:19:47.590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. 02:19:48.170 --> 02:19:58.050 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Base po sa dokumentong hawak niyo na salin ng ikalawang Pangulo ng 2024, ano po ang... ang interest ng ikalawang Pangulo dito sa tatlong kumpanyang ito? 02:20:00.130 --> 02:20:04.030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nakatlagay po rito, siya ay stockholder ng mga kumpanyang ito. 02:20:04.170 --> 02:20:08.170 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Base po sa inyong record, siya po ba ay stockholder ng tatlong kumpanyang 02:20:08.170 --> 02:20:10.110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ito? Yung GenCorp po, 02:20:10.540 --> 02:20:10.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sa 02:20:10.740 --> 02:20:13.560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: pagkaalala ko po, hindi po nag-a-appear ang kanyang pangalan. 02:20:16.350 --> 02:20:17.370 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Isang check pa po. 02:20:19.320 --> 02:20:20.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yun, Times Square po? 02:20:28.370 --> 02:20:37.950 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa Times Square po, hindi rin po nag-a-appear ang kanyang pangalan bilang incorporator o director man from incorporation up to the GIS noong 2023. 02:20:39.530 --> 02:21:05.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bilang opisyal ng SEC na matagal na nunungkulan doon, sa kaalaman ninyo sa revised corporation code, bilang opisyal na nagpa-file din ang salin at bilang abogado. Paano niyo po pagtutugma ito kung nalalaman niyo na dineklara niyang incorporator at shareholder siya sa sale niya pero wala sa dokumento? Ano po ang maaaring paliwanag na maaaring niyong ibigay kaugnay nito? 02:21:07.410 --> 02:21:24.380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, magiging paliwanag ko lang po dito ay maaaring meron po siyang trust agreement sa mga taong ito para i-represent ang inyong sarili. Gawa po nang nilagay niyang stockholder siya pero sa dokumento ng SEC wala naman siyang pangalan. bilang incorporator or stockholder. 02:21:24.940 --> 02:21:30.460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yun lamang po ba ang paraan para ma-reconcile natin yung dalawang bagay na iyon? 02:21:30.960 --> 02:21:46.170 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Maaari din po na merong kumpanya rito, merong isang corporate shareholder dito na meron siyang control. Kaya iisip din niya na kanya rin yung kumpanya na iyon. 02:21:46.670 --> 02:22:00.000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Nominee siya o beneficial owner siya? Opo. So, matanong ko po, Dito sa GenCorp, nabanggit na kanina kung sino yung mga shareholders at kabilang ang JTC Corp. 02:22:00.950 --> 02:22:02.110 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Tama po? Tama po. 02:22:03.560 --> 02:22:09.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Doon sa Jolly Foods, puro mga Cruz ang may stockholder. Tama po ba? 02:22:09.920 --> 02:22:10.440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes. 02:22:13.430 --> 02:22:15.130 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Doon sa Jolly Times Food? 02:22:15.750 --> 02:22:16.610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Jolly Times. 02:22:37.080 --> 02:22:50.400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa Great Jolly Times Food po, ang mga aplido pong nakalagay dito ay Cruz. Tatlong Cruz, Isang Tan at Isang Yuste. Opo. Tapos sa Times 02:22:50.400 --> 02:22:50.640 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Square? 02:22:53.530 --> 02:22:54.050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa 02:23:08.070 --> 02:23:18.780 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Times Square po, ang mga apelido rito ay, pangalam pong naka-appel dito ay Ang Hai Peng, Girly Dela Cruz at Richie Evel Cruz. 02:23:19.920 --> 02:23:28.340 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So possible po, isa sa mga ito ay nominee o trustee po ng ikalawang Pangulo? 02:23:28.880 --> 02:23:31.870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Maari po. Dahil siya naman mismo po yung nag-declare. 02:23:32.730 --> 02:23:33.250 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 02:23:35.570 --> 02:23:38.970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: May paglabag po ba kung yan nga ang katotohanan o wala? 02:23:39.770 --> 02:23:43.790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. Ano po ang paglabag? Hindi po tama ang kanyang disclosure. 02:23:48.120 --> 02:24:03.070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po tama ang kanyang disclosure saan po? Sa kanyang mga kumpanya. Sa kumpanya ito, ibig sabihin, iba pala ang may-ari nung mga kumpanya na hindi nag-a-appear ang kanyang pangalan. 02:24:03.420 --> 02:24:13.880 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pero kahit hindi naman po, kahit hindi naman po siyang may-ari talaga at nominee lamang yung nakabanggit dyan na incorporator or shareholder, hindi naman po illegal yun per se. 02:24:14.100 --> 02:24:23.440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po siya illegal. Una, na-violate po niya yung hindi tamang pag-disclose ng impormasyon. Pangalawa... 02:24:23.440 --> 02:24:36.530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sino po nag-violate? Yung shareholder on record o ang ikalawang Pangulo? Yung shareholder on record. Hindi siya. Opo. Kung may nag-violate man, yung shareholder on record. Hindi ang ikalawang Pangulo. 02:24:38.010 --> 02:24:44.370 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kine-claim po kasi nga na siyang shareholder. Although wala siyang hawak na dokumento, but she is 02:24:44.370 --> 02:24:44.410 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: claiming. 02:24:44.410 --> 02:24:44.850 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: So sino po 02:24:44.850 --> 02:24:51.690 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: nag-violate sa punto de vista ng SEC? Eh wala naman nga po siyang nireport dun eh, nirecord dun eh. Wala naman siya sinabit sa inyo tungkol sa kumpanyang yun eh. 02:24:51.950 --> 02:24:54.250 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pamunan po ng korporasyon na nag-report. 02:24:55.000 --> 02:24:59.880 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So sila po ang may liability kung sakasakali? Tama po. Hindi po ang ikalawang Pangulo? 02:25:01.630 --> 02:25:10.870 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Tama po. Yung dineklara niya sa kanyang salen, kung may liability man siya ron, siya yun sa salen. Pero hindi dun sa kumpanya na hindi lumalabas yung kanyang pangalan. 02:25:11.190 --> 02:25:13.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo, dahil hindi naman po siya ang gumawa ng report. 02:25:14.150 --> 02:25:19.030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Dahil hindi po siya nga ang gumawa ng report at hindi siya kabilang sa mga direktor dun sa mga kumpanyang yun. 02:25:20.060 --> 02:25:20.500 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 02:25:20.600 --> 02:25:21.040 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Tama 02:25:21.040 --> 02:25:22.180 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: po? Tama po. At 02:25:22.180 --> 02:25:34.860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: wala pong obligasyon isumiti sa inyo ang anumang trust agreement o deed of assignment. or deed of sale ng mga instrumento kaugnay sa mga stocks sa kumpanyang ito? 02:25:35.990 --> 02:25:37.790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi na po namin nire-require 02:25:37.790 --> 02:25:49.820 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: yan. Hindi na po? Posibleng meron, pero wala po kayong kopya kung meron na. Tama po. Salamat po, Ginong Del Rosario. Kung wala na pong ibang... Ah, Senator-Judge, Pangilinan. 02:25:52.850 --> 02:25:57.150 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sorry, gutom na yata. Yan eh, kaya natagalan ng konti. For the 02:25:57.150 --> 02:25:57.830 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: second round, 02:25:57.830 --> 02:26:03.570 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Ginong Atty. Del Rosario. Kayo naghandaan ng summary, no? 02:26:03.570 --> 02:26:04.270 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:26:04.270 --> 02:26:16.790 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. Dito sa summary, lahat, or at least from years 2007, depende sa kumpanya, hanggang 2024, inilaan ninyo yung total sales. Tama? 02:26:16.790 --> 02:26:17.530 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 02:26:17.530 --> 02:26:27.150 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So, from 2007 to 2017, City Hall King Chow, about 311 million ang kanyang sales. 02:26:30.490 --> 02:26:31.390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nung 02:26:31.390 --> 02:26:46.750 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: 2017 naman hanggang 2025, yung Metro Chow, sabi ninyo, basis sales, 309 million. Ang Great Jolly Times naman from 2007 to 2013, 209 million ang benta. 02:26:51.990 --> 02:27:01.910 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: At yung Times Square, B-Food, 2013 hanggang 2022, 335 million ang benta. 02:27:02.460 --> 02:27:06.540 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Times Square po ay 335,087,332. 02:27:06.580 --> 02:27:19.150 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Tama po. So ang City Hall, King Chow, Metro Chow, Great Jolly Times, Times Square B Food, ang total niya is about 1.15 billion sales. Tama po. 02:27:19.250 --> 02:27:20.870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes. Okay. At 02:27:20.870 --> 02:27:56.300 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: ang GenCorp naman from 2020 to 2024, nakasabi ang kanyang sales ay 1.04 billion. Sa iyong summary. Tama po. So ang total ng GenCorp, City Hall King, Metro Chow, Great Jolly Times, Times Square B Food from 2007 until 2024, total is about 2.159 billion worth of sales. Tama po. And in all those instances, walang dineklarang dividendo. Wala pong information on dividend declaration. 02:27:58.180 --> 02:28:19.200 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Sinabi mo kaninang 50-50 ang nagde-deklara at hindi nagde-deklara ng dividendo. Apo. Pero sabi nyo para sa taong yun. Apo. Pero sa kabuan, experience nyo sa taong-taon, ganun din? 50% ang mga nagde-deklara at 50% ang hindi nagde-deklara? 02:28:19.540 --> 02:28:24.080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yun po yung aking presumption. Mga 50-50 po ang hindi nakapag-deklara. 02:28:24.470 --> 02:28:45.850 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Pero dito naman sa itong 2007 to 2025 o 24 na hindi nagde-deklara, is that part of ano yan? Tama ba? Most companies ganyan ba sa pakiwari mo na taong taon for several years na 2.1 billion ang sales? 02:28:46.970 --> 02:28:53.470 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kasi po baka meron namang proyekto yung kumpanya. Expansion sabi ninyo. Expansion. 02:29:00.810 --> 02:29:02.490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: So non 02:29:02.490 --> 02:29:15.880 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: -declaration does not mean illegal. Yun nga lang, non-declaration means wala kang kinita, wala kang income. Wala pong pinamahagi sa shareholders. 02:29:23.160 --> 02:29:49.790 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Kasi ang mga pangalan, King Chow, Chow, Jolly, Times, Bee. Would you know, itong 2.1 billion na sales, would this be, kasi restaurants eh, di ba? Yes, Your Honor. Pulo restaurants po. So ano yan? Mga Jollibee ba yan? Tsaka mga Chowking? Kasi mukhang yun ang may kinalaman sa Chowking ba yan? Or Jollibee? Would you know? Only if you know. 02:29:50.090 --> 02:29:57.830 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Lumalabas po sa isang financial statement na in-identify kahapon ng witness, may lumabas po yung salitang Jollibee. 02:30:00.750 --> 02:30:02.570 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Gencorp Industries. 02:30:02.570 --> 02:30:02.970 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So 02:30:02.970 --> 02:30:21.360 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: would you know? Only if you know. Ibig sabihin ba itong mga kumpanya na ito ay mga Medialibi and Chowking franchises? Only if you know. Based on your... Kasi kanina sabi mo yung Jaime T. Cruz ay basis sa inyong research. Would you know? 02:30:21.880 --> 02:30:24.400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes, Your Honor. May mga franchises po. 02:30:24.600 --> 02:30:25.360 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Would you know how many? 02:30:27.150 --> 02:30:30.390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: I don't have the exact number, Your Honor. Pero we have... 02:30:30.750 --> 02:30:46.290 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: More or less. Kasi billion eh. So I would assume maraming franchisees ito ng Jollibee at ng Chowking, kaya umaabot ng billion yung kanilang sales over a period of time. Yes, Your Honor. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. 02:30:46.930 --> 02:31:03.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: For the information also, Senator-Judge Pangilinan, we have subpoenaed the BAR records of these companies and through that, to the witness, they will present... that may perhaps be shown. We shall break for lunch and shall resume at 1 02:31:05.730 --> 02:31:07.310 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: .15. 02:31:10.770 --> 02:31:14.410 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Trial is suspended. Yes, Attorney Erwin. 02:31:15.070 --> 02:31:20.970 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Sorry, Your Honor. Just a quick manifestation. May we ask for the marking of... Sorry, 02:31:21.010 --> 02:31:25.930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: nakalimutan kita. Uli, excuse, Attorney. Nangako pa naman ako kanina. Buti na lang hindi. 02:31:27.390 --> 02:31:39.570 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: May we ask the witness to give us a copy of his summary together with the transmittal so that we'll have this marked as our exhibit. Your Honor, we will be redacting the portions. Yes, please. The title. 02:31:40.470 --> 02:31:50.530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, witness is so instructed. And Attorney De Rosario, forgive me for forgetting again. Attorney De Rosario, maraming salamat po sa inyong panahon. Yes, Attorney Justin. 02:31:52.740 --> 02:31:58.130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Off po. Hello, sorry. Yes, Your Honor, we'd also like to adopt marking. Okay, 02:31:59.270 --> 02:31:59.790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Julie noted. 02:32:01.980 --> 02:32:19.260 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Del Rosario, maraming salamat po sa inyong panahon, sa inyong oras, sa muling pagbalik mula kahapon at sa pagsagot sa pagtugon sa mga katanungan ng magkabilang partido at ng senator-judges at sa inyong pong pasensya. You are excused, sir. Salamat po. And thank you for your time. Trial 02:32:19.260 --> 02:32:19.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: is 02:32:19.580 --> 02:32:21.520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: suspended. 03:24:01.740 --> 03:24:03.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Call is resumed. Sorry for the slight delay. 03:24:08.980 --> 03:24:10.840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Ridon, call your next witness. 03:24:12.600 --> 03:24:17.460 Rep. Terry L. Ridon: We are calling our Phil Jeffs witness, Mr. 03:24:19.620 --> 03:24:28.320 Rep. Terry L. Ridon: Rendell Sopena. Direct testimony will be administered by the lead prosecutor, Congresswoman Jerryville Luistra. 03:24:33.580 --> 03:24:39.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Honorable Luistra is recognized. On the part of the respondent, Attorney Justin, it will still be you. 03:24:39.940 --> 03:24:47.660 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: No, Your Honor. May I request that my co-counsel, Atty. Roberto N. Batumbacal, be recognized, Your Honor. 03:24:52.330 --> 03:24:55.630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Good afternoon, Your Honor. What is your nickname, Atty. Batumbacal? 03:24:55.910 --> 03:24:57.810 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, you can call me Roby, Your Honor. 03:25:03.080 --> 03:25:04.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Roby with an I-E or with a Y? 03:25:05.520 --> 03:25:07.140 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: R-O-B-I-E, Your Honor. 03:25:07.180 --> 03:25:15.390 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. Kindly situate the Clerk of Court through the osahas instructed to kindly situate Mr. Supena to the witness stand. 03:25:47.660 --> 03:25:49.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Clerk of Court is instructed to administer the oath. 03:25:51.100 --> 03:25:56.180 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Please raise your right hand. You, Rendell Sopena, do swear 03:25:56.370 --> 03:26:00.790 Rendell P. Sopeña: that the 03:26:00.790 --> 03:26:01.830 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: evidence you shall give 03:26:01.830 --> 03:26:03.910 Rendell P. Sopeña: in 03:26:03.910 --> 03:26:05.130 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: the case now pending 03:26:05.130 --> 03:26:07.110 Rendell P. Sopeña: between 03:26:07.110 --> 03:26:09.930 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: the Philippines and Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte 03:26:09.930 --> 03:26:13.790 Rendell P. Sopeña: shall 03:26:13.790 --> 03:26:14.650 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: be the truth. 03:26:15.390 --> 03:26:17.030 Rendell P. Sopeña: shall be the truth, the whole truth, 03:26:17.950 --> 03:26:18.770 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: and nothing but the truth. 03:26:19.290 --> 03:26:19.810 Rendell P. Sopeña: So 03:26:19.810 --> 03:26:20.350 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: help me God. 03:26:26.590 --> 03:26:37.220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ginong Supena, naunabahan niyo po ang inyong pinanumpaan? Yes, Your Honor. Okay, your witness. I'd rather make your offer, Honorable Bistro. 03:26:37.460 --> 03:26:47.430 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. We are respectfully offering the testimony of Mr. Rendell Supena for the following purposes, Your Honor. 03:26:49.140 --> 03:27:16.700 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Una, ang witness ay ang Division Chief ng Electronic Government Procurement Operations Division sa ilalim ng Philippine Government Electronic Procurement System Office na nasa ilalim din ng Procurement Service Department of Budget and Management. 03:27:19.370 --> 03:27:20.550 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pangalawa, 03:27:22.090 --> 03:28:33.890 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Upang patunayan na ang witness ay may sapat na kaalaman sa procurement at PhilGEPS system, ipapaliwanag ng testigo ang papel ng PhilGEPS bilang single electronic portal na nagsisilbing primary source of information sa lahat ng procurement ng gobyerno upang maisulong ang transparency, efficiency, at competitiveness sa mga transaksyon ng pamahalaan. Pangatlo, upang patunayan ang integridad, pagpapatunay at kredibilidad ng mga rekord na hawak ng PhilGepps kung saan tutukuyin at ipakikilala ng witness ang mga official documents na nakuha mula sa PhilGepps database at ipapaliwanag kung paano formal na naisubmit, naitala, at na-extract ang mga elektronikong dokumentong ito mula sa PhilGepps system. 03:28:36.270 --> 03:29:43.700 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pang-apat, upang patunayan ang mga partikular na transaksyon ng GenCorp Industries Inc. Kung maaalala natin, itong GenCorp ay nabanggit Vice Presidente Sara Duterte sa kanyang SAL-N. Ang sabi ng Vice Presidente, shareholder siya ng GenCorp Industries, Inc. Sa pamamagitan ng testigong ito, patutunayan na ang GenCorp ay may mga kontrata sa gobyerno, kabilang dito ang City Government of Davao. At sa pamamagitan ng testigong ito, patutunayan na mga kontratang ito ay may halagang lampas sa 30 milyong piso. Bilang panlima, patutunayan din ng testigo ang iba pang material at relevant na allegation sa Article 2 ng Articles of Impeachment. That is all for the purposes, Your Honor. 03:29:50.140 --> 03:30:00.000 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: For number four, Your Honor, we object to the offer number four for being conclusions of law and fact, Your Honor. And then the rest will... I'll 03:30:00.000 --> 03:30:01.800 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: just be subject to cross, Your Honor. 03:30:02.440 --> 03:30:06.900 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Are you willing to stipulate the first offer, the position of the witness, counsel? 03:30:07.200 --> 03:30:08.620 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. Willing to stipulate. 03:30:09.740 --> 03:30:20.520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Istro, your first offer insofar as the fact that the witness is the division chief of the EGPOD of Phil Jepps and of PSDBM has been stipulated by counsel, no need to prove the same. 03:30:20.840 --> 03:30:22.020 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We confirm, Your Honor. 03:30:23.660 --> 03:30:26.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The comments of Attorney Robby or Julie Norton? Your Honor, 03:30:26.780 --> 03:30:57.420 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: apologies. Just one more, Your Honor. We understand that the witness for today will be supposed to be identifying and authenticating documents from his office, Your Honor, but a perusal of the pretrial brief and the PTO, Your Honor, shows that they were not listed as one of the documents nor reserved, Your Honor. So, Your Honor, we conduct our cross without waiving the right to raise the objection at the proper time, Your Honor. 03:30:57.850 --> 03:31:07.010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Julie noted, counsel. And we confirm that we likewise do not have a copy of these exhibits as being Julie marked. 03:31:07.230 --> 03:31:12.430 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, your honor. So we also reserve the right to defer cross-examination to study the documents, your honor. 03:31:12.610 --> 03:31:16.890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We will afford you the time needed. Surely we cannot finish it today anymore, counsel. 03:31:17.530 --> 03:31:35.110 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nevertheless, Your Honor, I just wish to put on record that there is a reservation made by the prosecution as early as during the filing of the pre-trial brief. That reservation has been carried over in the pre-trial order that was issued by the Honorable Impeachment Court. 03:31:35.130 --> 03:31:44.070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Chair confirms that. That's why we are allowing it, Honorable Bistro. You may proceed with your direct if you are ready or when you're ready. 03:31:44.270 --> 03:31:45.210 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Thank you, Your Honor. 03:31:48.000 --> 03:31:51.290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness? Kumusta po kayo? 03:31:52.100 --> 03:31:53.180 Rendell P. Sopeña: Mahayos naman po, ma'am. 03:31:53.860 --> 03:31:55.380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nakakain po kayo ng tanghalian? 03:31:56.290 --> 03:31:57.170 Rendell P. Sopeña: Hindi po eh. 03:31:59.030 --> 03:32:05.250 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I hope you will be relaxed, no? Parang nagkwekwentuhan lang po tayo. Yes, 03:32:05.250 --> 03:32:05.410 Rendell P. Sopeña: ma'am. 03:32:06.990 --> 03:32:12.570 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pakisabi po, Mr. Witness, ang inyong pangalan at iba pang pagkakakilanlan. 03:32:13.740 --> 03:32:26.010 Rendell P. Sopeña: Rendell Sopeña po, Division Chief of the Electronic Government Procurement Operations Division of PhilGEPS Office under the Procurement Service Department of Budget and Management, ma'am. 03:32:26.800 --> 03:32:35.800 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit po ninyo itong Electronic Government Procurement Operations Division. Ano po ito, Mr. Witness? 03:32:36.440 --> 03:32:55.510 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ito po ang division under the Philjep's Office who is the sole custody of the Philjep's System Database. And the division is the one who also processes the procurement request coming from internal and external stakeholders. At 03:32:55.510 --> 03:33:05.010 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: gaano na po katagal kayo bilang Division Chief nitong binanggit ninyo na Electronic Government Procurement Operations Division? 03:33:06.910 --> 03:33:11.270 Rendell P. Sopeña: Nagsimula po ako nung March 17, 2025 po ma'am. 03:33:11.870 --> 03:33:33.080 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, for brevity, please allow this representation to use EGPOD. Prior to your position as Division Chief in EGPOD, ano pa po ang inyong naging trabaho o posisyon bago itong EGPOD kung mayroon man? 03:33:33.600 --> 03:33:43.640 Rendell P. Sopeña: Before joining PSDBM under the EGPOD, I am the Information Technology Officer 2 of AFP RSVS. 03:33:44.930 --> 03:33:51.470 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nabanggit po ninyo, Mr. Witness, itong AFPRSBS. Ano po ito, Mr. Witness? 03:33:52.710 --> 03:33:57.890 Rendell P. Sopeña: AFPRSBS is Armed Forces of the Philippines Retirement Separation Benefit System, ma'am. 03:33:59.160 --> 03:34:19.460 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Maraming salamat po sa inyong pagbabahagi ng inyong mga naging at kasalukuyang trabaho. Mr. Witness, kanina'y binanggit mo yung EGPOD. Ano po ba ang mga functions nitong tanggapang ito bilang kayo po ang Division Chief? 03:34:20.140 --> 03:34:45.040 Rendell P. Sopeña: Bilang Division Chief po ng EGPOD, ako po yung buong namamahala ng EGPOD and I'm the overall custodian po ng Philjep System Database. In line with this po, ako po yung mga nag-i-issue ng certifications coming from the request of internals, and yung mga subpina and request letters na natatanggap po ng PhilJep's office. 03:34:46.000 --> 03:34:57.380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ibinahagi po ninyo ang functions ng EGPOD. Ano naman po ang inyong mga responsibilities bilang division chief ng nasabing tanggapan? 03:34:58.050 --> 03:35:17.750 Rendell P. Sopeña: Isa po sa pinaka-function ng division chief po is to validate yung mga data na nire-request and issue. certifications in line with the received subpoenas and requests of procurement data. 03:35:18.840 --> 03:35:31.700 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Kanina po, Mr. Witness, may binanggit kayo na field JEPs. Bilang division chief, ano ho bang inyong nalalaman sa mandato ng field JEPs? 03:35:33.180 --> 03:35:39.160 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang field JEPs po, under the procurement law, 03:35:41.140 --> 03:36:03.380 Rendell P. Sopeña: The field job system po is aiming to promote transparency, efficiency, and the utilization of a single electronic portal which all procurement activities will be recorded. At dito po yung i-record ng lahat ng mga government agencies ang kanilang mga aktividades po for the procurement. 03:36:04.250 --> 03:36:10.980 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit din po ninyo yung single electronic portal. Ano po ito, Mr. Witness? 03:36:12.290 --> 03:36:43.320 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang single electronic portal po is technically isang system or a centralized system po of procurement na gagamitin po ng lahat ng mga ahensya ng mga GOCCs, LGU hanggang barangay level up to SK and mga NJAN including po rito yung mga SUCs natin. Ang mga procurement activities po nila ay dapat po nilang nire-record po dito sa naturang portal po. 03:36:43.880 --> 03:36:57.900 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May binanggit po kayo na agency kasama dito sa mga gumagamit ng single electronic portal. Anong particular na mga branches ng agencies ang inyong tinutukoy? 03:36:59.790 --> 03:37:06.190 Rendell P. Sopeña: Based po sa as indicated all government agencies for your LGUs po lahat po dapat 03:37:07.840 --> 03:37:15.980 Rendell P. Sopeña: Executive branch up to the judiciary. Technically po, dapat lahat po ng government agencies, ma'am. 03:37:16.100 --> 03:37:25.940 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit po ninyo ang executive hanggang kanyo sa barangay level. Binanggit nyo rin po ang judiciary. Paano po kaya ang kongreso? 03:37:26.640 --> 03:37:27.860 Rendell P. Sopeña: Kasama rin po, ma'am. 03:37:29.030 --> 03:37:37.110 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, bilang division chief pa rin ng EGPOD, ano po ang pangkaraniwan? 03:37:45.750 --> 03:38:15.240 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang kadalasan po naming napapansin based po sa tao ng pagpiprepare po ng division namin ng mga statistical bulletin which is publicly po pinopost namin ito sa PhilGepps website through the open data portal. Makikita po ito. Ang statistical bulletin po na ito ay nagpapakita na ang pinaka ginagamit po na modes of procurement of the government are the small value procurement and the competitive bidding po. 03:38:16.700 --> 03:38:34.430 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit nyo, Mr. Witness, yung competitive bidding. Ano-ano naman po ang mga technical documents na nai-encounter nyo pa rin? dito sa field job system. Kaugnay ng mode of procurement kung tawagin ayon sa inyo, competitive bidding. 03:38:36.060 --> 03:38:56.140 Rendell P. Sopeña: For the competitive bidding, ma'am, ang technical documents that is required are the invitation to bid, bid documents, supplemental bid notice if any corrections. Kailangan rin po ng notice of award, notice to proceed, bucket resolution. 03:38:57.860 --> 03:38:59.480 Rendell P. Sopeña: Contracts and Memorandum po. 03:39:00.000 --> 03:39:17.300 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Kanina po, binanggit nyo din kasama dun sa mga karaniwang mode of procurement ang small value procurement. Ano-ano naman po ang mga technical documents na nai-encounter nyo sa field drip system kaugnay ng small value procurement? 03:39:18.480 --> 03:39:25.780 Rendell P. Sopeña: For small value procurement po, ang mga technical documents are the request for quotation, 03:39:27.370 --> 03:39:38.010 Rendell P. Sopeña: Purchase order, abstract of quotation, same po yung notice of award, notice to proceed, back resolution po. 03:39:39.080 --> 03:39:54.860 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At bilang panghuli Mr. Witness sa puntong ito, bilang division chief, pakipaliwanag po sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court, paano ho ba ang actual operation ng PhilGips as a system? 03:39:56.630 --> 03:41:04.400 Rendell P. Sopeña: As a system po, Ang unang kailangan pong gawin ng mga procuring entities or mga government agencies is to register po sa field job system. Upon registering, the procuring entity can create po yung mga procurement activity nila to post sa system. Yung first step na kailangan po nilang gawin is to create a bid notice. So yung bid notice po is The publication of the procurement activity. So parang similar siya with mga pinupost po sa dyaryo ng mga nasa classified ads na mas madaling makita ng publiko. Ang bid notice po is an electronic form of posting ng procurement activity kung saan po is i-encode po ng procuring entity yung mga activity ng details and mag-a-attach po ng mga attachment. And upon creation of the bid notice, This will be viewable by all public and mostly mga merchants na interesado pong sumali sa mga procurement activities ng gobyerno. 03:41:05.160 --> 03:41:05.720 Rendell P. Sopeña: If 03:41:05.720 --> 03:42:37.420 Rendell P. Sopeña: a merchant is willing po sila to join the activity, they should also be registered sa system natin. And upon registration, dun lang po ma-download ng mga merchants na ito or upon registering, pag naka-access na po sila sa system. They would have an access po para ma-download yung mga documents attached sa bid notice pinost ng procuring entity. And upon submission po ng mga merchants, mga interested merchants sa procurement po, magsasubmit po sila ng mga kaukulang dokumento patungkol po dun sa activity na ito. And once the procurement activity is fully conducted by the procuring entity, Ang lahat po ng mga documents, related documents, such as yung mga back resolution, notice of award, yung mga technical documents po na nabanggit kanina. To close the created bid, mag-create po uli ang government agencies which is the main to create and to close po yung bid notice. So upon creation po ng award notice naman, lahat po ng mga dokumento. It pertains to the conducted procurement activity ay kailangan po nilang i-upload sa system para po ma-fully closed yung ginawa nilang bid notice. So, to highlight ang responsibility po ng pag-upload and ang pag-encode po ng mga tamang information sa system is 03:42:39.220 --> 03:43:16.630 Rendell P. Sopeña: sa nakalaan po mismo sa agency. Sila po yung mismong may responsibilidad po na gawin yung mga proseso na ito ayon sa procurement law. And once those processes are completed na po, lahat ng proseso po na ito, dito po yung nanggagaling. Lahat ng mga procurement information na naiipon po sa isang database or yung repository of procurement data. Wherein ang EGPOD po, lahat ng Nasabi ko po kanina yung mga request ng procurement data dito po sa repository of database namin na i-extract or nakukuha. 03:43:17.260 --> 03:43:23.600 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For the benefit of the viewing public, Mr. Witness, sino po yung procuring entity na binanggit nyo? 03:43:23.800 --> 03:43:29.420 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang procuring entity po ay ang mga gobyernang ahensya, government agents po. 03:43:29.800 --> 03:43:31.320 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino naman po yung merchants? 03:43:32.160 --> 03:43:47.020 Rendell P. Sopeña: Merchants are mga corporation suppliers such as kung interested to join. suppliers kunyari po IT po ang pinoprocure so yung mga IT related companies na registered po sa PhilGeps. 03:43:47.500 --> 03:43:53.320 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ano po ang dahilan at inihalin tulad nyo itong PhilGeps system sa isang classified ads? 03:43:57.060 --> 03:44:01.920 Rendell P. Sopeña: Hinintulad ko po siya parang sa classified kasi is the main purpose po for the 03:44:03.470 --> 03:44:15.510 Rendell P. Sopeña: Information po para wider reach po yung information ng activities. Marami pong maimbitahan ng mga interested merchants to join the activity for a fair competition po ng public bidding. 03:44:16.860 --> 03:44:26.720 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At bilang panghuli Mr. Witness, anong ibig sabihin mo by repository? Bakit mo tinatawag itong field rep system na isang repository? 03:44:28.100 --> 03:44:49.810 Rendell P. Sopeña: Through the field rep system ma'am, dito po kasi nanggagaling ang mga Procurement data as the main mandate po ng PhilGEPS is we are the repository of the procurement data. So lahat po ng pinapasok ng mga government agencies na information pertaining to procurement data is collected to this procurement data repository. 03:44:50.410 --> 03:45:09.950 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, maraming salamat sa iyong pagbabahagi tungkol sa actual operation ng PhilGEPS as a system. Dadako na tayo sa susunod. Naririto ka dahil sa subpina na na-issue ng kagalanggalang na impeachment court. Ito ba'y kinukumpirma mo? 03:45:10.470 --> 03:45:11.970 Rendell P. Sopeña: Opo ma'am. At 03:45:11.970 --> 03:45:17.350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: ano ang nilalaman ng subpina na na-issue ng kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 03:45:18.140 --> 03:45:35.010 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang nilalaman po ng subpina is to appear today from 21 to 23. Also included sa subpina is to provide procurement documents. In relation to the merchant name, Gen Corporation Industry Inc. 03:45:35.450 --> 03:45:41.590 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the record, can you say it clearly? What is the name of the company? 03:45:41.870 --> 03:45:43.390 Rendell P. Sopeña: Gen Corp Industries Inc. 03:45:43.970 --> 03:45:48.350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Gen Corp Industries Inc. Tama po ba, Mr. Witness? 03:45:48.610 --> 03:45:50.690 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes po. Gen Corp Industries Inc. 03:45:51.670 --> 03:46:00.800 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pagkatapos po ninyong matanggap itong sa pinapong ito, ano po ang inyong ginawa? kaugnay ng impeachment trial na ito. 03:46:00.860 --> 03:46:29.680 Rendell P. Sopeña: Upon receiving po, we processed po yung, we searched the repository of procurement database based on the requested merchant name which is GenCorp Industry Inc. And upon search po na ginawa namin sa procurement database, it resulted to a 49 awarded contracts to GEN Corporations. 03:46:29.980 --> 03:46:44.400 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit po ninyo na sa inyong pagsisurge ay nakita nyo ang 49 awarded contracts sa GEN Corp Industries Inc. Sino-sino po ang procuring entity? 03:46:45.590 --> 03:47:11.330 Rendell P. Sopeña: The composition of the 49 awarded contracts are OWA. Meron pong isang contract na na-award sa OWA. Meron pong 33 contracts awarded to PhilHealth Region 11 and 15 awarded contracts to City of Davao. 03:47:12.860 --> 03:47:26.960 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Bukod po sa 49 awarded contracts sa GenCorp na inyong nakita sa inyong pagsisearch, ano pa pong dokumento kung mayroon man ang inyong nakita? 03:47:27.590 --> 03:47:33.930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With your indulgence counsel, Mr. Supena, awarded to or awarded by? 03:47:36.320 --> 03:47:37.940 Rendell P. Sopeña: Awarded to po sa merchant. 03:47:38.580 --> 03:47:45.960 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No, you said awarded to City of Davao, awarded to OWWA, awarded to PhilHealth. 03:47:45.960 --> 03:47:50.880 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes po, the procuring entity po, Your Honor. So, awarded by? I 03:47:50.880 --> 03:48:02.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: will 03:48:03.000 --> 03:48:30.040 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: repeat the question. Bukod sa 49 contracts kung saan sinabi mo ang mga procuring entity ang nag-award? ay ang OWA Region 11, PhilHealth Region 11, at City of Davao LGU. Ano pa ang mga dokumentong iyong nakita kung mayroon pa? 03:48:31.400 --> 03:48:47.960 Rendell P. Sopeña: As mentioned earlier po, the procuring entity's responsibility includes the uploading of the procurement-related documents. So meron po kaming mga na-download ng mga related documents pertaining to the 49 awarded contracts po. 03:48:48.690 --> 03:48:59.310 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ilan po, Mr. Witness, itong tinutukoy niyo na related documents to 49 awarded contracts to GenCorp Industries, Inc.? We 03:48:59.310 --> 03:49:06.070 Rendell P. Sopeña: extracted a total number of 231 documents po, ma'am. 03:49:06.590 --> 03:49:13.210 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At kung itatanong ko sa iyo ang kabuang dami ng pages, ito ba'y masasabi mo din? 03:49:15.300 --> 03:49:25.180 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: 49 contracts, 231 documents. May I ask, Mr. Witness, ilan ang kabuang dami ng pahina ng mga dokumentong ito? 03:49:25.800 --> 03:49:38.700 Rendell P. Sopeña: Upon scanning po, so we took note of the count of the scanner, the total page of the 231 documents totaled to 480 03:49:40.510 --> 03:49:44.230 Rendell P. Sopeña: 1 or 84, if I'm not mistaken, ma'am. 03:49:44.530 --> 03:49:48.150 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And this includes already the 49 contracts. 03:49:49.010 --> 03:49:51.050 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, just a quick manifestation, Your Honor. 03:49:51.110 --> 03:49:52.630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, Attorney Robby. 03:49:52.770 --> 03:50:01.430 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor, we just noticed that the witness has notes. May we just find out what those notes are, Your Honor? 03:50:02.730 --> 03:50:05.680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mr. Cepena, are you referring to notes? 03:50:05.680 --> 03:50:06.250 Rendell P. Sopeña: No, sir. 03:50:06.570 --> 03:50:07.410 Rendell P. Sopeña: No, Your Honor. 03:50:07.570 --> 03:50:08.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What is that piece of paper? 03:50:09.800 --> 03:50:15.040 Rendell P. Sopeña: It's just a copy of the documents. No, 03:50:15.120 --> 03:50:18.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: if these are not your notes, what document are you referring to? 03:50:20.280 --> 03:50:21.260 Rendell P. Sopeña: Sorry, Your Honor, again. 03:50:21.500 --> 03:50:23.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Anong dokumento po yung tinitingnan 03:50:23.180 --> 03:50:23.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ninyo? 03:50:23.580 --> 03:50:27.860 Rendell P. Sopeña: Not in relation to what I just replied from, Your Honor. 03:50:28.060 --> 03:50:32.260 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: In that case, before you refer to a document, kindly ask the permission of the court. 03:50:32.260 --> 03:50:33.400 Rendell P. Sopeña: Apologies, Your Honor. 03:50:33.400 --> 03:50:37.100 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay lang po. Salamat. You may proceed, The Honorable Luistro. 03:50:39.340 --> 03:50:47.040 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit mo na 484 ang kabuang dami ng pahina ng lahat ng dokumentong ito. Kinukumpirma mo ba ito? 03:50:47.520 --> 03:50:48.520 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, ma'am. And 03:50:48.520 --> 03:50:50.540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: that includes the 49 contracts already? 03:50:51.180 --> 03:50:53.420 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes po, the composition of the 49 contracts. 03:50:53.440 --> 03:50:53.540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Thank you. 03:50:54.100 --> 03:51:06.580 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pagkatapos mong makita, masearch ang 49 contracts, 231 documents, may kabuo ang 484 pages, ano ang sunod mong ginawa kung mayroon man? 03:51:08.150 --> 03:51:25.870 Rendell P. Sopeña: After printing po ng lahat ng mga documents po, the 484 documents ay isa-isa ko po itong sinertify and pinirmahan as a truthful representation po na lahat ng documents na ito ay galing po sa Philjep's repository. 03:51:26.930 --> 03:51:41.050 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sinabi mo, Mr. Witness, na lahat ng dokumento iyong print, iyo ding sinertify, iyo ding pinirmahan. Bukod dito, ano pa ang iyong ginawa kung mayroon man? 03:51:41.940 --> 03:52:02.280 Rendell P. Sopeña: For ease of reference po nung binabasa ko yung document. So yung extracted na electronic data that came from the repository po. So I just made a summary of these documents for easy reference lang po while I am familiarizing the information of the extracted information po. 03:52:02.660 --> 03:52:08.300 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nasa saan? Itong sinasabi mong extracted information. 03:52:09.600 --> 03:52:13.160 Rendell P. Sopeña: I saved it po dito if I'm allowed to. 03:52:14.190 --> 03:52:15.060 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor? 03:52:15.060 --> 03:52:20.210 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, you may refer to the document. Kindly identify the document. 03:52:20.450 --> 03:52:27.980 Rendell P. Sopeña: Thank you, Your Honor. So, yung mga extracted file po was downloaded and saved po sa mga USP na to. 03:52:28.040 --> 03:52:37.370 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May I place on record, Your Honor, that the witness is showing May I ask, Mr. Witness, what are you showing inside the plastic container? 03:52:38.410 --> 03:52:44.530 Rendell P. Sopeña: Five pieces of USB thumb drive po, which the extracted data are stored po. 03:52:44.770 --> 03:52:48.530 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May I ask also, what are the contents of that USB? 03:52:49.070 --> 03:53:01.210 Rendell P. Sopeña: The extracted information po, the procurement data in relation to the 49 contracts na nanggaling po sa procurement data and the summary po na nagyawa ko. Nandito po. 03:53:01.940 --> 03:53:17.400 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May binanggit ka din kanina na print mo ang mga dokumento kaugnay ng Procurement Documents ng GenCorp Industries, Inc. Nasa saan naman itong mga printed documents na ito? 03:53:18.140 --> 03:53:22.560 Rendell P. Sopeña: May I be allowed po to get the documents? 03:53:22.820 --> 03:53:23.470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, you may. 03:53:23.470 --> 03:53:24.120 Rendell P. Sopeña: Thank you Your Honor. 03:53:24.120 --> 03:53:24.500 Rendell P. Sopeña: you, Your Honor. 03:53:35.560 --> 03:53:36.860 Rendell P. Sopeña: Repository of the field job system. 03:53:37.850 --> 03:53:53.840 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: With the kind indulgence of the honorable court, since this is the first time that the prosecution will be seeing these documents, and also to give opportunity to the opposing counsel to go over the same, may I request for a 10-minute recess, Your Honor? 03:53:55.860 --> 03:53:56.300 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Just 03:54:00.940 --> 03:54:05.760 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: to be able to go over the documents, Your Honor, and then we will immediately proceed, Your Honor. 03:54:08.780 --> 03:54:19.460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Chair declares a brief recess but kindly staying inside the court as we may give another ruling on the matter given the time. Chair declares a brief recess. 04:02:01.840 --> 04:02:03.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: During the recess, 04:02:04.060 --> 04:02:58.450 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: the presiding officer in the presence of the parties inquired from the witness, Mr. Supena, if he has a summary of the documents he was mentioning earlier and he responded in the affirmative. Thus, the presiding officer gave the parties a hard copy of the summary and or table of the documents that he will be identifying given its voluminous nature. And also, the presiding officer asked what the USB contained that he was showing earlier. And he informed the parties and the presiding officer that it contained a soft copy of all the hard copies of the documents in front of him. The presiding officer gave a copy of the USB to the parties, the court, two copies to the prosecution, one for the tech. 04:03:01.520 --> 04:03:17.780 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: For the record, so we can continue until perhaps 2.30 and the witness subject to cross or any objections or comments by the counsel or correspondent may continue with his testimony on the basis or based on the table and or summary he will be identifying. 04:03:19.660 --> 04:03:22.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Luistro, you may proceed when you're ready. Yes, 04:03:22.460 --> 04:03:23.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: comment 04:03:23.740 --> 04:03:27.480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: or objections, Attorney Robby? 04:03:27.790 --> 04:03:59.520 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Just a few comments, Your Honor. Your Honor, we confirm receipt of the USB, but of course, we have to check if it works. And second, while we confirm receipt of the summary, we just want to put on record that the same appears to be undated and is unsigned by the witness. Nor is it certified, Your Honor. So we just want to put that on record. And also, Your Honor, for the We put on record our request for copies of the documents that were printed, Your Honor, for today. We hope to receive them today, Your Honor. 04:03:59.660 --> 04:04:12.600 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The hard copies that the witness has will be photocopied within the day and the court will also set through the clerk of court a date to mark the same, which 04:04:14.260 --> 04:04:21.320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I believe you already have set a date for marking of documents. We just simply add this to the list of documents as you go along. 04:04:22.440 --> 04:04:27.520 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. And for us to receive copies of the documents, hopefully by today, Your Honor. 04:04:27.820 --> 04:04:36.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, as earlier ruled by the Chair, you shall have a copy. And the prosecution as well will have a copy because I believe they don't have a copy as of yet. 04:04:37.700 --> 04:04:41.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Noted on your comments, Hon. Luistro, you may proceed. 04:04:41.780 --> 04:04:42.680 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, please. 04:04:44.850 --> 04:04:57.120 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, binanggit mo na print itong mga documents na ito na nakita mo from searching the field JEPs. System. Sino ang nag-print ng mga dokumento na iyan? 04:04:58.180 --> 04:05:01.520 Rendell P. Sopeña: With the assistance of my colleagues and ako po. 04:05:02.260 --> 04:05:15.280 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At binanggit mo rin na sinave sa USB lahat ng information at dokumento na iyan. Sino ang nag-save sa USB ng lahat ng dokumentong iyan from the PhilJEP system? 04:05:15.840 --> 04:05:20.540 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ako po yung mga nag-save po sa 6 na USB drive po ma'am. 04:05:21.020 --> 04:05:52.830 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, may I just put on record that we are requesting for the marking of the USB along with the 49 contracts and 231 documents composing of 484 pages as exhibit P, Roman numeral 2, 6, series, Your Honor. We submit that the marking will be done. After this trial before the Honorable Clerk of Court, Your Honor. 04:05:53.050 --> 04:05:58.210 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Jury noted. Your Honor, we make a similar request to have our own copies marked, Your Honor. 04:05:58.510 --> 04:06:00.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Jury noted and granted. 04:06:00.870 --> 04:06:10.690 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, ano itong mga dokumento na in-extract, pre-named, at ngayon ay isinasubmit mo sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 04:06:11.450 --> 04:06:31.590 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ito po yung mga documents na in-upload ng procuring entity. Patungkol po sa 49 contracts. Ito po yung mga RFQ, Request for Quotation. Meron din pong kasama sa mga documents na ito ng Invitation to Bid. Yung mga Notice of Award, Back Resolution, Notice to Proceed, and Memorandum of Agreement po. 04:06:35.080 --> 04:06:41.920 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, puntahan natin itong Bid Reference Number 04:06:45.600 --> 04:06:51.640 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: 11959542. 04:06:55.280 --> 04:07:00.680 Rendell P. Sopeña: Can I be allowed to also look at the documents, Your Honor? Yes, Mr. 04:07:00.920 --> 04:07:01.920 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Cepena. Thank 04:07:01.920 --> 04:07:02.940 Rendell P. Sopeña: you, Your Honor. I 04:07:02.940 --> 04:07:04.240 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: stand corrected, Your Honor. 04:07:04.240 --> 04:07:08.800 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: 11759542. 04:07:09.400 --> 04:07:13.180 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, to clarify, is this an item in the summary, Your Honor? 04:07:13.240 --> 04:07:17.320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Exactly. What are you looking at, Counsel? Referring to, rather. 04:07:20.270 --> 04:07:33.910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: This is a bid reference number, Your Honor, that pertains to the... Contract which was awarded by OWA to GenCorp Industries, Inc. Your Honor, 04:07:33.970 --> 04:07:34.930 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: may we ask for the 04:07:34.930 --> 04:07:35.670 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: item number? 04:07:39.440 --> 04:07:42.380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: 11759542. That is the bid reference number, Your Honor. 04:07:43.310 --> 04:07:50.310 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, apologies. Asking for the item number, not the bid reference, Your Honor. Just for easier reference. Again, 04:07:50.370 --> 04:08:10.910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: um, um, Honorable Luistro, um, I think that's why you're referring to one of the documents that are contained in the pile on the right-hand side of the witness, not on the summary that he supposedly prepared. In fact, we haven't asked him to identify it yet. 04:08:12.430 --> 04:08:13.370 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We're not yet there. 04:08:17.740 --> 04:08:24.380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may ask the witness with respect to awards from OWA that may be in a summary or table if you want. 04:08:24.520 --> 04:08:43.140 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I understand, Your Honor. But the number that I mentioned, Your Honor, pertain to the entire procurement process of this particular contract. So it includes all the procurement documents that has relevance to this particular contract, Your Honor. And it is in the summary, Your Honor. 04:08:43.360 --> 04:08:54.500 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With your indulgence. Mr. Supena? Sa kinapal-kapal ng mga dokumentong yan at sinadinami-dami niyan at na-USB mo pa, gumawa ka ba ng summary or table? Kawag na yan? Yes, 04:08:54.540 --> 04:08:54.780 Rendell P. Sopeña: Your Honor. 04:08:55.040 --> 04:08:56.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kailan niyo po ginawa? 04:08:57.540 --> 04:09:02.040 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yesterday, Your Honor, upon the request to leave the vicinity early. 04:09:02.400 --> 04:09:05.320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mag-isa ka lang na gumawa niyan o may iba kang katulong na gumawa niyan? 04:09:05.340 --> 04:09:07.680 Rendell P. Sopeña: With the assistance po of my colleagues under the AGPOD. 04:09:08.240 --> 04:09:10.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So, ilan po kayong gumawa niyan? 04:09:11.440 --> 04:09:12.500 Rendell P. Sopeña: Tatlo po, Your Honor. 04:09:12.760 --> 04:09:14.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At ginawa niyo kahapon lamang? 04:09:15.250 --> 04:09:16.890 Rendell P. Sopeña: Tinapos po namin kakapon, Your Honor, yes. 04:09:17.070 --> 04:09:19.110 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At yan po yung dokumentong nasa harap niyo ngayon? 04:09:19.850 --> 04:09:20.830 Rendell P. Sopeña: Correct po, Your Honor. 04:09:21.010 --> 04:09:35.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bahagi po ba ng summary o table na yan yung mga bid documents na inaward ng OWA kaugnay ng PR number 1175942? Yes, Your 04:09:35.510 --> 04:09:35.710 Rendell P. Sopeña: Honor. 04:09:36.150 --> 04:09:38.610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Included po. Your witness, Honorable Luistro. 04:09:38.730 --> 04:09:54.270 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the records, Your Honor, the number that I mentioned pertain both to the file name in the USB submitted by the witness and to the bid reference number of this particular contract. Your Honor. Mr. Witness, may I proceed, Your Honor? Please 04:09:54.270 --> 04:09:54.850 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: proceed, Counsel. 04:09:55.190 --> 04:10:22.070 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, I will be showing you documents relevant to this particular bid reference number. Can you please, this document is entitled Request for Quotation. Can you please tell us ano ang kaugnayan? ng dokumentong ito sa mga dokumento na isinasubmit mo ngayon sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court. 04:10:23.340 --> 04:10:25.480 Rendell P. Sopeña: Apologies, medyo malabo po yung mata ko eh, Ken. 04:10:26.690 --> 04:10:29.650 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May we request your honor that assisting counsel, 04:10:32.220 --> 04:10:34.540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Attorney Tricia Soon... Assisting 04:10:34.540 --> 04:10:40.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel from both parties may approach. And Tech, can you kindly zoom in? 04:10:47.060 --> 04:10:52.080 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May she be allowed, your honor, to show it in the laptop so that it will be more readable. 04:10:56.040 --> 04:11:08.800 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I will repeat the question, Mr. Witness. Ano po ang kaugnayan nitong request for quotation na ito sa mga procurement documents ng GenCorp Industries Incorporated na isinasubmit niyo ngayon sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 04:11:09.540 --> 04:11:18.360 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang request for quotation po nito ay ang printed na ginawa po namin kaugnay po sa na-hour na contract with the OWA po, ma'am. 04:11:18.480 --> 04:11:22.180 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: So, you confirm na kasama po yan sa mga submissions niyo? 04:11:22.400 --> 04:11:24.920 Rendell P. Sopeña: This is included po in the submission, yes. 04:11:25.340 --> 04:11:31.600 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ang sunod ko pong ipapakita sa inyo na dokumento ay may pamagat namang memorandum of agreement. 04:11:37.970 --> 04:11:48.910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Maaari niyo bang sabihin sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court, ano po ang kaugnayan ng dokumentong ipinapakita sa inyo sa inyong mga sinusumiting dokumento ngayon dito sa impeachment court? 04:11:49.740 --> 04:11:55.980 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang memorandum of agreement po nito ay isa rin po sa mga print at prepare po namin na dokumento. 04:11:56.140 --> 04:12:02.760 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the record, Mr. Witness, sino-sino po ang contracting parties dito sa memorandum of agreement na ito? 04:12:04.800 --> 04:12:22.390 Rendell P. Sopeña: The contract is between Overseas Workers Welfare Administration, Regional Welfare Office, Region 11, and the Jollibee Bolton Corporation under the Gen Corporation Industry Inc., a franchise of Jollibee Food Corporations, ma'am. 04:12:23.140 --> 04:12:26.100 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, binanggit niyo po yung Jollibee. 04:12:27.640 --> 04:12:33.780 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Jollibee Bolton. Ito ho ba yung Jollibee na alam nating lahat? 04:12:33.980 --> 04:12:36.560 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Objection, Your Honor. You would be incompetent to answer that. 04:12:36.920 --> 04:12:38.460 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: If he knows, Your Honor. 04:12:38.820 --> 04:12:41.100 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I am 04:12:41.100 --> 04:12:42.020 Rendell P. Sopeña: not familiar, Your Honor. 04:12:44.670 --> 04:12:46.870 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Already answered, counsel. Move on. 04:12:50.170 --> 04:12:56.350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, puntahan po natin yung huling bahagi ng Memorandum of Agreement. 04:12:58.960 --> 04:13:06.130 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino po ang contracting parties kung saan? May lagda na ipinapakita sa dokumentong iyan. 04:13:07.310 --> 04:13:10.470 Rendell P. Sopeña: The signature of Expo is my own signature, ma'am. 04:13:12.490 --> 04:13:13.830 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Contracting parties, Mr. Witness. 04:13:14.030 --> 04:13:16.720 Rendell P. Sopeña: Apologies. Contracting parties. 04:13:17.620 --> 04:13:22.220 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, objection, Your Honor. He would be incompetent to identify those signatures, Your Honor. 04:13:22.560 --> 04:13:27.960 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: On the basis, Your Honor, of what he sees from the documents. Precisely, Your Honor. How would he know? 04:13:28.580 --> 04:13:32.380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The question, Counsel, your question is whose signatures appear? 04:13:33.150 --> 04:13:34.610 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: If I may rephrase, Your Honor? 04:13:34.850 --> 04:13:35.890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may rephrase, counsel. 04:13:36.090 --> 04:13:41.650 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino ang mga contracting parties dito sa huling bahagi ng memorandum of agreement na ito? 04:13:42.180 --> 04:13:45.100 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, the document would speak for itself, Your Honor. 04:13:45.940 --> 04:13:47.520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Noted, counsel. Witness may answer. 04:13:50.770 --> 04:13:52.790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly read from the document for the record. 04:13:53.690 --> 04:14:10.920 Rendell P. Sopeña: Gina Mae Quimora, officer in charge of the Overseas Workers Welfare Administration Regional Welfare Office. Region 11, and Jollibee Bolton, signed by Zeegar Z. Izario, Managing Director, Your Honor. 04:14:12.100 --> 04:14:17.040 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nabanggit po ulit yung Jollibee Bolton. Again, Mr. Witness, ito ho 04:14:17.040 --> 04:14:18.380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: ba yung Jollibee na alam ng 04:14:18.380 --> 04:14:19.520 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: lahat ng Pilipino? 04:14:19.680 --> 04:14:22.100 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, same objection as in answered and competent. 04:14:24.040 --> 04:14:25.580 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I will move on, Your Honor. 04:14:27.900 --> 04:14:42.630 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Puntahan naman po natin ngayon. Ang LGU BID reference number 10208635 na may kagaya pong numero ng file name dito sa ating summary at USB. 04:14:46.600 --> 04:14:56.420 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pinapakita ko po sa inyo isang dokumentong may pamagat na request for quotation. Ano pong kaugnayan ng dokumentong ito sa 04:14:58.280 --> 04:15:01.760 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: mga sinusumiti nyo ngayon sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 04:15:04.890 --> 04:15:05.590 Rendell P. Sopeña: May 04:15:05.590 --> 04:15:12.870 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: we request your honor that attorney Mico be allowed to show what appears in the screen of the laptop. 04:15:14.970 --> 04:15:15.450 Rendell P. Sopeña: It's a 04:15:15.450 --> 04:15:20.130 Rendell P. Sopeña: request for quotation for catering services po. 04:15:21.570 --> 04:15:24.290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino po ang procuring entity dito? 04:15:24.840 --> 04:15:28.780 Rendell P. Sopeña: The indicated procuring entity po is the city of Davao, Davao del Sur. 04:15:30.590 --> 04:15:32.350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino naman po ang na-awarda ng 04:15:32.350 --> 04:15:35.310 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: merchant dito sa procurement na ito? 04:15:42.760 --> 04:15:44.840 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I'm sorry, I will rephrase, Your Honor. 04:15:47.040 --> 04:15:55.960 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: This is a request for quotation. Are there merchants mentioned in this particular document, Mr. Witness? 04:15:56.640 --> 04:16:05.120 Rendell P. Sopeña: The initial presented document basically contains po yung requesting procurement activity coming from the procuring entity, Ma'am. 04:16:05.770 --> 04:16:17.330 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Thank you. But I understand that this is part of the bid reference number 10208635 where a notice of award was issued likewise. Do you confirm? 04:16:17.830 --> 04:16:18.310 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, madam. 04:16:18.490 --> 04:16:24.750 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And from that notice of award, can you please tell this honorable court? Kanino na award ang kontratang ito? Your 04:16:24.750 --> 04:16:29.090 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Honor, objection, Your Honor. No notice of award has been shown to the witness so far, Your Honor. 04:16:29.700 --> 04:16:32.040 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: It was mentioned already by the witness, Your Honor. 04:16:32.100 --> 04:16:35.300 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor, but it was not identified by the witness yet, Your Honor. 04:16:35.420 --> 04:16:44.560 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nevertheless, Your Honor, that's among the submissions of the witness, which he testified earlier, he printed, he certified, and he's now submitting to the court. 04:16:44.720 --> 04:16:49.480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We don't know yet that, Counsel. With the permission of the parties, is that part of your summary? 04:16:50.200 --> 04:16:50.960 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 04:16:52.120 --> 04:17:14.920 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If possible, Honorable Luistro, can you refer to the summary and or table? I think the 04:17:14.920 --> 04:17:32.910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: prosecution can... Make reference with the use of the laptop, Your Honor, which we can share in the big screen for the appreciation of the Honorable Senator-Judges and the viewing public, Your Honor. I believe this is very significant, Your Honor, so I hope we can allow the witness to testify on this. 04:17:35.250 --> 04:17:44.070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ito mo bang pinapakita, ginawang sabihin niya, bahagi nung nasa makapal na papel dyan sa kanang bahagi ninyo? 04:17:44.250 --> 04:17:44.930 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 04:17:46.730 --> 04:17:48.790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bahagi yan sa nakapaloob dun sa USB? 04:17:49.190 --> 04:17:49.890 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 04:17:50.670 --> 04:17:52.530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bahagi din yan ng summary ninyo? 04:17:53.050 --> 04:17:54.770 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. Opo. 04:17:54.870 --> 04:17:58.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So is it possible for you to testify based 04:18:03.100 --> 04:18:04.940 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: on your summary 04:18:04.940 --> 04:18:06.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: by looking at this document? 04:18:08.810 --> 04:18:12.670 Rendell P. Sopeña: With the familiarity of the documents that I prepared just recently, yes, Your Honor. 04:18:13.330 --> 04:18:23.150 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If you're familiar but if you're not, kindly indicate as well. I'll give her some leeway, counsel. In the meantime, objection is overruled. You may continue, counsel. 04:18:24.930 --> 04:18:43.310 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, balikan natin yung request for quotation. Ano ang description ng mga items na subject ng procurement process? May I request, Attorney Mico, Your Honor, that he be allowed to show the witness the document through the laptop. 04:18:44.150 --> 04:18:49.630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Standing authority has already been given to assisting counsels. To approach the witness. 04:18:58.920 --> 04:19:08.270 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the records, Your Honor, may we request the witness to please read the description from this document, Your Honor. Request for quotation. 04:19:09.860 --> 04:19:17.320 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, before proceeding, may we just know if what the witness is reading is the same as what is slashed on the screen? We 04:19:17.320 --> 04:19:17.540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: confirm, 04:19:17.760 --> 04:19:18.060 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor. 04:19:19.900 --> 04:19:25.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It should be the same. Your assisting counsel and the part of the respondent should be able to confirm that as well. 04:19:26.890 --> 04:19:28.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We'll know soon enough as soon as he reads it. 04:19:34.430 --> 04:19:38.670 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: In that case, good question, Attorney Robby. It seems to be not the same. 04:19:54.490 --> 04:20:04.370 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May we request, Your Honor, the witness to read for purposes of the record the description of the item of this particular procurement document. 04:20:07.730 --> 04:20:11.410 Rendell P. Sopeña: Based on the shown here po sa laptop, the description is 04:20:13.140 --> 04:20:44.690 Rendell P. Sopeña: the fourth quarter of 2023, ka-25 food. and catering services. One lot meal and snacks without venue October 27, 2023 for 200 packs at 180 pesos per pack. Menu, breakfast, breakfast hot dog, breakfast beefsteak, 350 ml, bottle of water and served with ketchup. Menu, 04:20:44.910 --> 04:20:48.610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: lunch. Honorable Bistro, you have to forgive me. 04:20:52.820 --> 04:20:56.080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: This contract is for 50,000 and you're talking about ketchup. 04:20:59.530 --> 04:21:01.910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: This is in line, Your Honor, with... I agree, 04:21:02.070 --> 04:21:19.810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel. I'm not even aware. Although VP Sara mentioned GenCorp in her salon, you presented a witness that said she's not a stockholder of GenCorp. I'm giving you a lot of leeway here, okay? And we're now going through documents. 04:21:21.330 --> 04:21:33.790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: From Phil Jeffs that awarded a contract for 56,000 to a corporation that according to your previous witness, the respondent is not a stockholder of. 04:21:35.740 --> 04:21:39.440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So you have to understand the court's slight... 04:21:39.440 --> 04:21:40.280 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I 04:21:40.690 --> 04:21:42.470 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: understand, Your Honor, but... 04:21:42.470 --> 04:21:47.490 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Impatience with respect to this document if you will do this with the rest. 04:21:48.690 --> 04:22:11.650 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We have only few documents to be shown to the impeachment court. That is only to give opportunity to the viewing public, including the senator-judges, to understand what these procurement documents are being referred to are all about, Your Honor. I have only five documents to show, Your Honor. 04:22:11.790 --> 04:22:20.850 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: According to the Senate President, he totaled it. And I know him to be good in math. It totals 35 million. All the 40... 04:22:20.850 --> 04:22:29.390 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. And the documents which are being presented are part of the 35 million total amount of contract of GenCorp. 04:22:29.570 --> 04:22:34.250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: But can we skip the description of the ketchup and the maize and the snacks? 04:22:34.710 --> 04:22:36.950 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. We will do this very quick, Your Honor. And 04:22:36.950 --> 04:22:38.030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: the hotdog too, Mr. 04:22:38.230 --> 04:22:38.470 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Witness. 04:22:38.950 --> 04:22:40.110 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Luis Rey, may proceed. 04:22:40.750 --> 04:22:48.150 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Can you just read the menu for lunch? Your Honor, sorry, Your Honor. Just for the last item of this particular document, Mr. 04:22:48.190 --> 04:22:48.670 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Witness. Your Honor, the 04:22:48.670 --> 04:22:51.550 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: court already made the ruling to skip this portion of the document. 04:22:52.510 --> 04:23:00.900 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Again, at Honorable Bistro, let's skip the hotdog and the chicken joy and the ketchup. We submit, Your 04:23:00.900 --> 04:23:02.080 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Honor. I will move on. 04:23:02.520 --> 04:23:03.700 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Please move on, Counsel. 04:23:05.770 --> 04:23:28.820 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Now, let us proceed to LGU bid reference number 11495158 with a similar file number in the USB and in the summary prepared by the witness. I'm showing you a document, the title of which is Invitation to Bid. Ano pong kaugnayan ito sa mga submissions niyo sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 04:23:40.670 --> 04:23:41.850 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Can't you read, sir? 04:23:42.270 --> 04:23:44.670 Rendell P. Sopeña: Medyo malabo po, ma'am. Apologies po. 04:23:46.380 --> 04:23:52.100 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: The question po is ano pong kaugnayan ng dokumentong yan sa inyong mga isinasubmit ngayon sa impeachment court? 04:23:52.990 --> 04:24:01.210 Rendell P. Sopeña: The shown document here, ma'am, the invitation to bid po is included in the prepared documents, ma'am. 04:24:04.780 --> 04:24:16.420 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I'll be moving to the next document. I'm showing another document, the title of which is notice of award. Ano naman pong kaugnayan nito dun sa mga submissions nyo sa kagalang-galang na impeachment court? 04:24:20.490 --> 04:24:21.490 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Notice of award. 04:24:26.380 --> 04:24:31.940 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, may we know which notice of award because there might be multiple notices of award. 04:24:32.120 --> 04:24:41.880 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, we have given already the bid reference number and there is only one contract for every reference number. It's 11-49-5158. 04:24:44.440 --> 04:24:48.900 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ano po ang kaugnayan ng notice of award sa inyong mga submissions sa impeachment court? 04:24:50.220 --> 04:25:00.840 Rendell P. Sopeña: The notice of award po is included in the documents and this indicates that this was awarded to Gencor, Industries Inc. 04:25:02.610 --> 04:25:14.350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ipinapakita ko din po sa inyo isa pang dokumento na may titulong Award Notice Abstract. Ano naman pong kaugnayan nito sa mga sinusumiti nyo ngayon sa Impeachment Court? 04:25:15.470 --> 04:25:34.130 Rendell P. Sopeña: As the walkthrough kanina po, ito po yung nagkoclose ng procurement activity ng mga procuring entities sa FJEP system by creating the notice of award through the system. Ito po yung final document na pinaprepare sa Felgep System, ma'am. 04:25:34.410 --> 04:25:39.490 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At sino po ang merchant na na-awarda ng kontratang ito ayon sa dokumentong iyan? 04:25:40.120 --> 04:25:45.500 Rendell P. Sopeña: The contract was awarded to GenCorp Industries Inc., ma'am. 04:25:47.720 --> 04:25:53.000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At ito po ba yung Jollibee na Bolton Branch, Mr. Witness? Your Honor, same objection, Your Honor. 04:25:53.000 --> 04:25:53.220 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: If you 04:25:53.220 --> 04:25:56.240 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: can check it in the document, Mr. Witness. Your 04:25:56.240 --> 04:26:00.200 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Honor, the court has already made a ruling on this line of questioning, Your Honor. 04:26:01.960 --> 04:26:06.760 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's not the ketchup. It's the corporation. It's not the chicken, counsel. 04:26:06.760 --> 04:26:06.761 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. It's not the ketchup. 04:26:06.880 --> 04:26:09.860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's the corporation. No, not the chicken. It's the corporation. 04:26:10.340 --> 04:26:10.840 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. 04:26:11.000 --> 04:26:14.330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may answer? Can you repeat the question? 04:26:14.490 --> 04:26:15.950 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ito ba'y tumutukoy doon sa 04:26:15.950 --> 04:26:17.450 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Jollibee-Bolton branch? 04:26:21.360 --> 04:26:26.320 Rendell P. Sopeña: Based on the documents, an address is only indicated as a Bolton street. 04:26:26.990 --> 04:26:27.990 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Bolton Street. 04:26:28.530 --> 04:26:29.030 Rendell P. Sopeña: Your 04:26:29.030 --> 04:26:35.810 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Honor, ito po'y chineko sa Google Map at ito po'y tatlong minuto lamang ang layo sa Davao City Hall. 04:26:36.310 --> 04:26:39.770 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, may we move to strike the manifestations of counsel? 04:26:40.630 --> 04:26:43.770 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel cannot supply facts. We 04:26:43.770 --> 04:26:45.070 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: understand, Your Honor. We will move 04:26:45.070 --> 04:26:47.350 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: on. So stricken of the record. We 04:26:47.350 --> 04:26:48.290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: submit, Your Honor. Move on, 04:26:48.390 --> 04:26:48.630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel. 04:26:51.180 --> 04:26:56.280 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Puntahan naman po natin yung tinukoy nyo kanina na 04:27:05.810 --> 04:27:06.410 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. 04:27:14.250 --> 04:27:23.230 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Witness, ano pong kaugnayan ng dokumentong ipinapakita sa inyo ngayon doon sa Excel file na inyong in-extract, print in, sinertify? 04:27:23.850 --> 04:27:29.390 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, misleading. I don't think the witness has identified any Excel file earlier. 04:27:30.090 --> 04:27:35.090 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Are you referring to the table or summary, Honorable Uyistro? I am referring, 04:27:35.270 --> 04:27:47.360 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, to the Excel file extracted from the PhilGEPs itself. That is prior to the summary that was prepared by the witness himself. 04:27:49.220 --> 04:27:50.420 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That's not his summary. 04:27:52.280 --> 04:27:53.880 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: It is an Excel file. 04:27:54.860 --> 04:27:57.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, but that's not the summary that 04:27:57.120 --> 04:28:00.360 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: he has. Yes, it's not yet the summary, Your Honor. It's not yet the summary. 04:28:02.640 --> 04:28:04.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mr. Supena, you 04:28:04.400 --> 04:28:05.490 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: have that? 04:28:05.490 --> 04:28:10.690 Rendell P. Sopeña: The shown file po is included in the provided printout, Your Honor. 04:28:10.690 --> 04:28:12.050 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Not in the summary? 04:28:12.050 --> 04:28:20.510 Rendell P. Sopeña: It's included in the summary, Your Honor, is the summary list of all the documents included in the submission. 04:28:21.070 --> 04:28:23.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Anong kinalaman ng summary sa Excel file? 04:28:25.900 --> 04:28:40.870 Rendell P. Sopeña: The shown file po is the, as mentioned earlier, Your Honor, is the summary of the extracted Excel file that came from the Repository database for my easy viewing po based dun sa na-extract pong 04:28:40.870 --> 04:28:44.040 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So kasama yan sa summary niyong hawak ngayon? 04:28:44.040 --> 04:28:49.080 Rendell P. Sopeña: Hindi. Included po dito yan, Your Honor, yung pinapakita po ngayon sa screen. 04:28:49.080 --> 04:28:50.480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kasama dyan sa summary niyo? 04:28:50.480 --> 04:28:51.190 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes po. 04:28:51.190 --> 04:28:51.510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. 04:28:52.140 --> 04:28:54.300 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may proceed, counsel. Mr. 04:28:54.420 --> 04:28:54.680 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Witness, 04:28:54.860 --> 04:28:56.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Anong 04:28:56.400 --> 04:29:10.880 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: kaugnayan ng Excel file na ipinapakita sa iyo ngayon? Doon sa excel file na tinukoy mo kanina, in-extract, print in, sinave sa USB, at ngayon ay sinusumiti mo sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court. 04:29:11.240 --> 04:29:18.460 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ito po yung summary na list na ginawa ko and pinagwahiwalay ko po lang yung tatlo for my easy reference lang po. 04:29:18.640 --> 04:29:29.140 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At pagkatapos mong ma-extract, ma-print, at ma-certify, ma-save sa USB, yung excel file na yan. Ano pa? Ang iyong ginawa kung mayroon man. 04:29:29.380 --> 04:29:56.240 Rendell P. Sopeña: For easy study and reference po. Kasi upon extraction, kung mabibiyo po, makikita naman po sa provided na USB. Yung tab po dyan, meron pong extracted data na tab kung makikita po nyo. Ayan po yung directly extracted from the data without any intervention of encoding talaga pong diretso ng system. Yes. Kaso iba yung nandun. 04:29:57.510 --> 04:29:59.910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: You're saying Mr. Witness that this ex- 04:30:02.620 --> 04:30:03.100 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: The 04:30:03.100 --> 04:30:05.880 Rendell P. Sopeña: last tab po madam, not this one. 04:30:09.110 --> 04:30:10.290 Rendell P. Sopeña: This one with the 04:30:10.290 --> 04:30:10.950 Rendell P. Sopeña: same tab name. 04:30:12.030 --> 04:30:12.510 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: If 04:30:12.510 --> 04:30:25.910 Rendell P. Sopeña: the shown in the screen and in the laptop are the same, yes. With the exact tab name po, extracted raw data of September. That's the extracted data directly generated. 04:30:26.110 --> 04:30:26.770 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Are they the same? 04:30:29.800 --> 04:30:31.300 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Assisting counsel, are they the same? 04:30:32.460 --> 04:30:33.340 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: The title name. 04:30:33.440 --> 04:30:34.280 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The tab. 04:30:34.460 --> 04:30:38.400 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: The tab name is the same, Your Honor. 04:30:38.950 --> 04:30:39.590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. 04:30:41.060 --> 04:30:44.500 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And after you extracted this Excel file, what did you do? 04:30:44.880 --> 04:30:55.800 Rendell P. Sopeña: I just made the summarization po based on the shown different tabs po as title name, PhilHealth, City of Davao, OWWA, and the summary per year po. 04:30:56.660 --> 04:31:08.650 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And I'll be showing you a summary of OWA. Can you tell us if this is the same summary that you are referring to? The OWA procurement? 04:31:19.110 --> 04:31:22.790 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, madam. This is the OWA procurement which awarded 100. And 04:31:22.790 --> 04:31:23.150 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: for purposes 04:31:23.150 --> 04:31:25.530 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: of the record, Mr. Witness, who is the procuring entity? 04:31:26.110 --> 04:31:31.950 Rendell P. Sopeña: The procuring entity is Overseas Worker Welfare Administration, Region 11, Your Honor. 04:31:32.130 --> 04:31:35.290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And who is the awarded merchant? 04:31:35.910 --> 04:31:38.310 Rendell P. Sopeña: The awarded merchant is GenCorp 04:31:38.310 --> 04:31:39.995 Rendell P. Sopeña: Industries, Inc. 04:31:39.995 --> 04:31:45.120 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: How much is the awarded contract? How much is the amount of the awarded contract? 04:31:45.500 --> 04:31:49.640 Rendell P. Sopeña: For the amount of the contract is 330,000 pesos ma'am. 04:31:49.680 --> 04:31:54.600 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And for purposes of the record, can you cite the bid reference number indicated in your summary? 04:31:54.920 --> 04:32:01.100 Rendell P. Sopeña: The indicated bid reference number is 11759542. 04:32:01.760 --> 04:32:04.860 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ano bang kahalagahan nitong bid reference number na ito? 04:32:05.940 --> 04:32:14.450 Rendell P. Sopeña: The bid reference number is the unique generated Identifier po nung bid activity na ito sa PhilJEP system. 04:32:16.090 --> 04:32:31.630 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Maraming salamat po. Puntahan naman po natin itong isa pang dokumento kung saan makikita ang pangalang PhilHealth Corporation Region 11. Ano pong kaugnayan ito doon sa summary pa rin na tinukoy nyo kanina lamang? So, 04:32:31.670 --> 04:32:44.160 Rendell P. Sopeña: coming from the extracted data po na nanggaling po sa repository, I just summarize po lahat po ng PhilHealth-awarded contracts for easy referencing lang po. 04:32:44.420 --> 04:32:47.780 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the record, sino po ang procuring entity? 04:32:48.180 --> 04:32:49.440 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, Your Honor. 04:32:50.200 --> 04:32:51.400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, Attorney Robby. 04:32:51.480 --> 04:33:00.660 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. May we, at this point, we have to object based on relevance, Your Honor. May we know the purpose of the line of questioning, Your Honor? 04:33:01.120 --> 04:33:02.840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly respond, Honorable Lewistrom. 04:33:02.880 --> 04:33:03.020 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: In 04:33:03.020 --> 04:33:03.540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: relation to 04:33:03.540 --> 04:33:04.320 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Article 2. 04:33:04.580 --> 04:33:36.400 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, the table shows... Or the summary shows the contracts awarded by PhilHealth Region 11 to GenCorp Industries, Inc. And we will remember, Your Honor, that no less than the respondent herself made a declaration in the Salen to be particular 2024 and 2025, that this is one of the companies Where she maintains business and financial interests 04:33:36.400 --> 04:33:36.780 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, I 04:33:36.780 --> 04:33:46.840 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: apologize, Your Honor, but right now, Your Honor, we have to cut off the prosecutor with all due respect. This is already covered by the ruling of the court not to make conclusions of law or fact, Your Honor. I'm 04:33:46.840 --> 04:33:48.000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: not making a conclusion 04:33:48.000 --> 04:33:48.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: of fact or law. 04:33:48.860 --> 04:33:53.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Allow her to finish. Kindly finish, Honorable Luistra, before I make my ruling. 04:33:54.820 --> 04:33:55.900 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May I proceed, Your Honor? 04:33:56.200 --> 04:34:00.180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No, kindly finish with your response to the objection. 04:34:00.600 --> 04:34:49.160 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, this is not a conclusion of fact. As a matter of fact, I wish to invoke mandatory judicial notice that the Honorable Impeachment Court heard already our witness from the Ombudsman which testified or who testified on the 2024 SAL-N and the 2025 SAL-N where the Respondent Vice President herself declared that she is a shareholder of GenCorp Industries, Inc. The admission came from the Respondent herself. And I wish to invoke the jurisprudence, Your Honor, which says that admission must be given greater weight. And it, in fact, throws the burden of proving that it is a mistake to the person who made such declaration or admission, Your Honor. 04:34:57.510 --> 04:35:22.950 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Number 2, Your Honor, the court already made a ruling and even a finding that questions asked to GenCorp are appears to be irrelevant and that the burden is on the prosecution to show the relevance right now, Your Honor. And so far, Your Honor, they still have not shown the relevance of this line of questioning in relation to GenCorp, Your Honor. May I add something, Your Honor? 04:35:23.090 --> 04:35:29.660 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor, please. PhilHealth is the last agency, correct? The City of Davao is 04:35:29.660 --> 04:35:31.000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: the last agency, Your Honor. 04:35:31.100 --> 04:35:32.540 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ah, you're not yet done with the City of Davao? 04:35:32.600 --> 04:36:01.790 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: That is for the summary, Your Honor. But just to put on record, Your Honor, please be reminded that the last subsection of Article 2 of the Articles of Impeachment on Unexplained Wealth is non-divestment of other business and financial interests. And it is along this line that we are showing the participation of the respondent By way of the evidence being presented, Your Honor, with respect to GenCorp Industries Inc., Your Honor. 04:36:01.950 --> 04:36:08.750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let's allow her to finish, Atty. Robby. Kindly finish with this, Hon. Luis Troll. 04:36:09.790 --> 04:36:18.380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, sino po ang merchants na na-awardan ng kontrata ng PhilHealth Insurance Corporation Region 11? 04:36:19.240 --> 04:36:20.980 Rendell P. Sopeña: GenCorp Industries Inc., Ma'am. 04:36:21.550 --> 04:36:32.910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ilan po ang kabuoang kontrata na naiaward ng PhilHealth Insurance Corporation Region 11 sa GenCorp Industries Inc.? 33. 04:36:34.560 --> 04:36:35.540 Rendell P. Sopeña: At 04:36:35.930 --> 04:36:45.870 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: gaano naman po ang kabuoang halaga nitong 33 contracts na inaward ng PhilHealth Region 11 sa GenCorp Industries Inc.? 04:36:45.870 --> 04:36:51.790 Rendell P. Sopeña: Total of 1,331,288 pesos. 04:36:52.540 --> 04:37:01.680 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Maraming salamat, Mr. Witness. Puntahan natin yung huling summary na iyong ginawa, kung saan makikita naman natin ang pangalang City of the Vow. 04:37:03.450 --> 04:37:12.970 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ano po ang kaugnayan nitong summary nito doon sa tinukoy nyo kaninang mga ginawa nyong summary na isinusumiti nyo rin ngayon sa kagalagalang na impeachment court? 04:37:14.250 --> 04:37:18.770 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yung summary po, base lang ng lahat na award po with the City of the Vow. 04:37:19.750 --> 04:37:23.090 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At sino po ang procuring entity for purposes of the record? 04:37:23.530 --> 04:37:26.530 Rendell P. Sopeña: The procuring entity is the City of Dabao, ma'am. At 04:37:26.530 --> 04:37:27.990 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: sino po ang inawarda na 04:37:27.990 --> 04:37:30.370 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: merchant nitong mga kontratang ito? 04:37:31.760 --> 04:37:34.900 Rendell P. Sopeña: The GenCorp Industry Inc., ma'am. 04:37:40.330 --> 04:37:53.020 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness from this table, and I hope attorneys soon can assist, I wish to invite your attention to bid reference number 9126729. 04:37:55.500 --> 04:38:05.060 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Magkano po ang halaga ng kontrata na inaward ng City of Davao sa GenCorp Industries Inc.? A 04:38:05.600 --> 04:38:10.960 Rendell P. Sopeña: total of 5,143,500 pesos ma. 04:38:11.600 --> 04:38:19.300 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Puntahan naman po natin from this summary. Bid reference number 100-177-88. 04:38:21.260 --> 04:38:29.880 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Magkano po ang kabuang halaga ng kontrata na inaward? ng City of Davao sa GenCorp Industries, Inc. 04:38:35.730 --> 04:38:50.910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Puntahan naman po natin ang bid reference number 1149-5158. Magkano po ang kabuang halaga ng kontrata na inaward ng City of Davao LGU sa GenCorp Industries, Inc.? 04:38:54.410 --> 04:39:03.430 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: The prosecutor to specify the year in her question, Your Honor. As stated in the document, Your Honor. Just so the question and the answer would be more accurate. 04:39:03.750 --> 04:39:15.230 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We will proceed to that, Your Honor. The question is qualified by bid reference number and there is only one contract that corresponds to the bid reference number. That is for the guidance of the defense. If I 04:39:15.230 --> 04:39:16.550 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: may, counsel. 04:39:18.090 --> 04:39:21.250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: All of these bids and awards 04:39:22.800 --> 04:39:36.330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: by the City of Davao, by OWA, and PhilHealth. All of these happened during the term of the respondent as Vice President. Do you confirm, Honorable Istro? 04:39:37.280 --> 04:39:38.560 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We confirm, Your Honor. 04:39:38.840 --> 04:39:43.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: None of them pertain to awards that happened prior to her term as Vice President. 04:39:44.000 --> 04:39:44.920 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We confirm that, 04:39:44.940 --> 04:39:52.510 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor. So this is all from what I have. The dates cover July 21, 2020. 04:39:54.260 --> 04:39:54.660 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 32 04:39:54.660 --> 04:39:55.060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: up 04:39:55.350 --> 04:40:06.750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: to June 23, 2026. I think that would be sufficient identification, Atty. Robby. For the meantime, that we don't have a copy yet. 04:40:06.950 --> 04:40:08.300 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: If I may be recognized Your Honor? 04:40:08.300 --> 04:40:08.650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Of course. 04:40:08.650 --> 04:40:09.440 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Thank you, Your Honor. 04:40:09.440 --> 04:40:22.400 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: So, just a short manifestation, Your Honor. So, it is clear, Your Honor, that these contracts were awarded. During the time that the vice president was not in the city of Davao anymore, Your Honor. Just a brief manifestation. 04:40:22.400 --> 04:40:32.340 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, but on the reverse, Attorney Robby, if she was still the mayor, I would not have allowed it because it would have been irrelevant for our purposes. 04:40:32.340 --> 04:40:34.470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Luistro, 04:40:34.470 --> 04:40:45.460 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I have one last for identification, Your Honor. I hope you will allow this representation. Let us move to bid reference number 12508294, Mr. Witness. 04:40:47.790 --> 04:40:57.310 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Magkano po ang kabuang halaga na inaward ng City of the Vow LGU sa GenCorp Industries, Inc.? Your 04:40:57.630 --> 04:40:59.790 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Honor, again, may we just know what year, Your Honor? 04:41:01.000 --> 04:41:05.960 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: This is from 2022 to 2026. All these contracts, Your Honor. 04:41:07.220 --> 04:41:20.470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At the proper time, Attorney Robby, I think we will be able to reference based on DTSN and the journal. For the meantime, this will suffice. Court will allow it. So that we can move forward with this witness. Please answer, Mr. Supena. 04:41:20.970 --> 04:41:24.270 Rendell P. Sopeña: The awarded contract, Your Honor, is 8.4 million. 04:41:26.420 --> 04:41:29.180 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At this juncture, Your Honor, may 04:41:32.030 --> 04:41:44.460 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I ask, Mr. Witness, magkano po ang kabuang halaga ng lahat ng kontrata na nai-award sa GenCorp Industries, Inc.? 04:41:44.720 --> 04:41:47.640 Rendell P. Sopeña: Total 04:41:49.490 --> 04:41:57.260 Rendell P. Sopeña: of 35,800,000 78,188 pesos. At 04:41:57.260 --> 04:42:02.300 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: sa nabanggit pong halaga, magkano po dyan ang inaward ng City of Davao? 04:42:02.950 --> 04:42:09.350 Rendell P. Sopeña: For the City of Davao, a total of 34,216,900 pesos po ma'am. 04:42:09.390 --> 04:42:12.370 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Magkano naman po ang inaward ng PhilHealth Region 11? 04:42:12.370 --> 04:42:18.290 Rendell P. Sopeña: For PhilHealth, 1,331,288 pesos po ma'am. 04:42:18.290 --> 04:42:21.750 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At magkano naman po ang inaward ng OWA Region 11? 04:42:22.640 --> 04:42:25.360 Rendell P. Sopeña: For OVP 330,000 pesos, ma. 04:42:25.540 --> 04:42:46.180 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, at this juncture, Your Honor, we just want to manifest, Your Honor, that earlier the Congressman Luis Trost said that this is the first time that they saw the documents. So it's just interesting to the defense, Your Honor, that they already have graphs and presentations prepared on the documents. We just want to put that on record, Your Honor. 04:42:48.710 --> 04:42:51.110 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: If I may just put on record, Your Honor, 04:42:51.330 --> 04:42:53.330 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: we have 04:42:53.330 --> 04:43:12.540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: a lot of volunteer lawyers who are working simultaneously to this examination, Your Honor. And we can honestly say that they are capable in coming up with this visual presentation that will aid the appreciation of the Honorable Senator-Judges along with the viewing public, Your Honor. 04:43:12.910 --> 04:43:18.210 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Again, noted, but again, proper subject matter of course. During your turn, Attorney Robbie. 04:43:18.210 --> 04:43:19.370 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: During trial, Your Honor. 04:43:19.370 --> 04:43:21.110 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Please proceed. 04:43:21.110 --> 04:43:22.430 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At 04:43:22.430 --> 04:44:10.570 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: this juncture, Your Honor, I respectfully move that the Honorable Impeachment Court take mandatory judicial notice of the following. Number one, Your Honor, that Ombudsman Records Division OIC already testified before the Impeachment Court, particularly with respect to the 2024 and the 2025 SAL-N of the Respondent Vice President, where she herself declared that she is a shareholder of GenCorp Industries, Inc. As a matter of fact, Your Honor, she even indicated in those SAL-N that the same was acquired in 2013. Number two, Your Honor, 04:44:12.100 --> 04:44:44.790 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Article 7, Section 13 of the Constitution. Public officials shall not, during their tenure, directly or indirectly practice any other profession, participate in any business, or be financially interested in any contract with or in any franchise or special privilege granted by the government or any subdivision, agency or instrumentality thereof, 04:44:44.810 --> 04:44:45.530 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: including 04:44:45.530 --> 04:44:48.750 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: government-owned or controlled corporations and 04:44:48.750 --> 04:44:49.290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: their subsidiaries. 04:45:07.340 --> 04:46:07.000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Number 3, Your Honor, is Section 66, RA 12009. The HOPE or the Head of Procuring Entity or his Duly Authorized Representative shall approve or disapprove the recommendation of the BAC or the Bids and Awards Committee. Number 4, Your Honor, Section 5, RA 12009. The hope of the LGU is the local chief executive. And ultimately, Your Honor, we invoke mandatory judicial notice to the fact that the local chief executive of the VAU City, the head of procurement entity, the one who approves the resolution of the BAC, is no less than Mayor Sebastian Duterte. 04:46:09.130 --> 04:46:10.410 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I conclude, Your Honor. 04:46:11.130 --> 04:46:12.870 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With your direct or with your motion? 04:46:14.020 --> 04:46:16.100 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sorry, with my motion. Your Honor? 04:46:16.340 --> 04:46:18.000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And I was hoping that... 04:46:18.000 --> 04:47:05.430 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Allow the chair to rule. Yes, the chair, given that the court, rather, given that the salons have been identified in court, that indeed GenCorp was mentioned there, the chair takes judicial notice of the law cited by the... Honorable Wistro, but not as to the interpretation, meaning, nor application of those laws according to the view of one party, only as to what the laws actually state. As to whether or not Mayor Duterte is the brother of, I think that will be proven in due course when the mayor is presented. 04:47:07.300 --> 04:47:16.740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: As regards the request for judicial notice, as the presiding officer also said earlier, which is why I was wondering why the previous witness was presented. 04:47:18.800 --> 04:47:52.010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Although GenCorp was mentioned in the salon, you also presented a witness council that said that the records of GenCorp do not show that the respondent is a stockholder or director of that corporation. We take notice of that as well because it was equally testified to in court and let the senator-judges peruse, evaluate, and weigh the testimony of those witnesses. So ordered. Kindly proceed, counsel. 04:47:52.910 --> 04:47:56.490 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We have nothing further, Your Honor. That would be all for the direct examination. 04:47:57.130 --> 04:48:00.590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. If that is all for the direct, it's also 241. 04:48:04.130 --> 04:48:06.310 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Attorney Robby, cross for... 04:48:08.020 --> 04:48:08.460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Monday. 04:48:08.460 --> 04:48:09.180 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. 04:48:09.340 --> 04:48:09.940 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If any. 04:48:10.280 --> 04:48:10.980 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. 04:48:15.500 --> 04:48:19.580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With the emphasis on if any so that we can move to the next witness. If 04:48:19.580 --> 04:48:20.180 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: any, Your Honor. 04:48:21.260 --> 04:48:25.220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mr. Supena, your excuse in the meantime. Thank you, Your Honor. 04:48:25.220 --> 04:48:36.990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung maaari po na hindi ko na kayo iisaw ng sabbina, hindi na po kayo iisaw ng sabbina ng korte, ng impeachment court, maaari ko bang makuha yung inyong commitment na dadalo po kayo muli sa lunes. 04:48:36.990 --> 04:48:38.060 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 04:48:39.780 --> 04:48:40.860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: September 28, 04:48:43.320 --> 04:48:49.240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 8 [unclear] po ng umaga. Para magpatuloy po kayo sa inyong pagbibigay ng testimonya. 04:48:49.240 --> 04:48:50.590 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 04:48:50.590 --> 04:48:52.660 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Salamat po. You are excused, sir. 04:48:52.660 --> 04:48:53.560 Rendell P. Sopeña: Thank you, Your Honor. 04:48:57.040 --> 04:48:59.620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If there are no other matters to be taken up, 04:49:03.860 --> 04:49:14.300 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: trial is hereby suspended until tomorrow, 10 o'clock, September 23. 04:49:18.430 --> 04:49:36.410 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 2026. And as a reminder to the parties and to the senator-judges, we shall, the reason why we did not call Mr. Supena tomorrow is because we will be hearing the oral arguments of the parties tomorrow. On the part of the prosecution, who will deliver the oral arguments? Honorable Luistro? 04:49:41.740 --> 04:49:51.500 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We would like to manifest, Your Honor, that it will be the Honorable Congresswoman, Laila de Lima, who will be representing the prosecution in the oral argument tomorrow. And 04:49:51.500 --> 04:49:53.480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: on the part of the respondent, Attorney Sheila? 04:49:54.300 --> 04:49:59.900 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: May I ask, Your Honor, if we are being required now to disclose the counsel? 04:49:59.900 --> 04:50:00.560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Not really. If 04:50:00.560 --> 04:50:04.840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you haven't decided, then you may not do so as of yet. 04:50:04.980 --> 04:50:05.740 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Thank you, Your Honor. 04:50:08.270 --> 04:50:11.110 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: The signed lawyer will be disclosed tomorrow, Your Honor. 04:50:11.190 --> 04:50:19.100 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. And in that case, Honorable Luisa, neither are you bound with your choice of Congresswoman de Lima. 04:50:19.400 --> 04:50:20.640 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: We are bound already. 04:50:20.640 --> 04:50:21.840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: In that case, 04:50:21.940 --> 04:50:28.120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: then so be it. So be it. Again, each party will be given 15 minutes. 04:50:29.720 --> 04:50:55.280 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thereafter, Senator, judges may propound questions before we proceed to Vote on the motion or appeal for the consideration of Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo. There being no other matters to be taken up, according to the Senate President, we shall call the session at 3.15 p.m. Trial is suspended.