1 00:06:42,420 --> 00:06:45,100 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: The Sergeant at Arms is directed to make a proclamation. 2 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:56,980 Alfredo Sotto Corpuz: All persons are commanded to keep silent under pain of penalty while the impeachment court is in session for the trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte. 3 00:06:57,970 --> 00:07:06,390 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: The impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte is hereby called to order. Let's pause for a minute of silent prayer. 4 00:07:23,210 --> 00:07:28,330 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: In Jesus' name, Amen. The Clerk of Court will now call the roll. 5 00:07:31,980 --> 00:08:14,650 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Sen. Judge Cayetano Allan, Sen. Judge Cayetano Pia, Sen. Judge De La Rosa, Sen. Judge Ejercito, Sen. Judge Estrada, Sen. Judge Goque, Sen. Judge Hontiveros, Sen. Judge Lacson, Sen. Judge Lapid, Sen. Judge Legarda, Sen. Judge Marcoleta, Sen. Judge Marcos, Sen. Judge Padilla, Sen. Judge Pangilinan, Sen. Judge Soto III, Sen. Judge Tulfo Erwin. Senator-Judge, Tulfo Rafi, Senator-Judge, Villanueva, Senator-Judge, Villar Camil, Senator-Judge, Villar Marc, Senator-Judge, Zubiri, The Presiding Officer, Senator-Judge, Escudero, The Senate President, Senator-Judge, Cachalian. 6 00:08:14,790 --> 00:08:28,920 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: With 16 Senator-judges present, the Chair declares the presence of a quorum. In accordance with the Rules of Procedure on Impeachment Trials, the Chair now recognizes the newly elected Procedure Officer to preside over the proceedings of the Impeachment Court. 7 00:08:30,690 --> 00:08:34,170 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: I stand corrected. We have 17 Senator-Judges present. 8 00:08:36,430 --> 00:08:46,910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Mr. Senate President. If there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the September 21, 2026 Journal of the Senate sitting as an Impeachment Court and consider the same as approved. 9 00:08:48,530 --> 00:08:51,550 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Clerk of Court will please call the case before the Impeachment Court. 10 00:08:51,790 --> 00:08:58,070 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Case number 004-2026 in the matter of Impeachment Trial of Vice President Saira Zirman Duterte. 11 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Appearances for the parties. 12 00:09:01,710 --> 00:09:06,390 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Good morning, Your Honors. Same appearance for the prosecution. We are ready, Your Honor. I 13 00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:10,230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: presume, Honorable Luistro, that Attorney Erwin will still stand for this case. 14 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:11,670 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. 15 00:09:11,670 --> 00:09:13,010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: For the respondent? 16 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:14,670 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Good morning, Your Honor. Same appearance for the respondent... 17 00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:14,671 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Good morning, Attorney Sheila. 18 00:09:14,671 --> 00:09:17,510 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: ...accused, Your Honor. 19 00:09:17,790 --> 00:09:19,270 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Same, Attorney Justin will 20 00:09:19,270 --> 00:09:19,550 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: also 21 00:09:19,550 --> 00:09:21,710 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: stand for the respondent? 22 00:09:21,810 --> 00:09:22,650 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: That's correct, Your Honor. 23 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:30,290 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The witness will kindly be please escorted by the clerk of court through the auditorial witness stand. Attorney Del Rosario, please. 24 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,120 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May we request Your Honor that Atty. Erwin Matib be recognized, Your Honor. Yes, 25 00:09:36,140 --> 00:09:41,340 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: please, ma'am. Atty. Erwin is recognized as well as Atty. Justin for the respondent. 26 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:41,900 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Thank you, Your Honor. 27 00:09:57,830 --> 00:10:25,000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bago po tayo magsimula, magandang umaga, Atty. Del Rosario. Paumanhin po kahapon kung hindi ko kayo na-excuse bago po kami nag-asikaso ng mga administrative na mga bagay kahapon at bago po ako mag-adjourn. Hindi ko po makakalimutan gawin yan. Ngayon, pangako ko po sa inyo. Salamat po. Do you understand, Atty. Del Rosario, that you will continue to testify under and based on the same oath you took yesterday? 28 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:25,600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 29 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Salamat po, Atty. Del Rosario. Atty. Justin, are you ready for your cross? 30 00:10:30,460 --> 00:10:31,760 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes, Your Honor, with the court's permission. 31 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: When you're ready, you may proceed. 32 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thank you, Your Honor. Turning to my cross. 33 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,360 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sir Del Rosario, Atty. Del Rosario, magandang umaga po. 34 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,550 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magandang umaga po sa inyo. 35 00:10:42,550 --> 00:11:00,920 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Good morning. Simulan po natin sir. During your direct examination yesterday, you identified records belonging to several corporations. In general, yung mga records na ito are those on file or are available with the records of the SEC or the Securities and Exchange Commission. Tama po ba? 36 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:01,860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 37 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:11,110 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And now, the SEC compiled and produced these documents or these records upon the request of the House of Representatives. Tama po ba? 38 00:11:12,330 --> 00:11:13,910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Direquest po nila sa amin yan. 39 00:11:14,050 --> 00:11:23,780 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes. And you confirmed that these corporate records were actually first requested po in relation to the hearings of the House of Representatives Committee on Justice. Naalala niyo po iyon? 40 00:11:23,780 --> 00:11:24,350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 41 00:11:24,350 --> 00:11:32,180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes. And you confirmed that you also testified under oath during that committee hearings before the House of Representatives. Tama po? 42 00:11:32,180 --> 00:11:32,730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 43 00:11:32,730 --> 00:11:38,790 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And can you please confirm, sir, whether this date was on April 22, 2026? Can you recall that? 44 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:57,220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang matandaan ko po ay ang subpina, ang date po niya is April 14, pero hindi naman po agad kami natanong noon. Patuloy siya, hindi ko na po matandaan yung exactong pecha. Kung kailan po ako natanong during that impeachment proceeding sa Committee 45 00:11:57,220 --> 00:12:11,210 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: of Justice. Okay lang po, Atty. Delosario. Now, tama po bang sabihin, sir, na yung Securities and Exchange Commission ay nag-compile and release ng corporate documents base po sa informasyon na binigay ng House of Representatives. 46 00:12:12,070 --> 00:12:15,810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po kung ano po yung kanilang hiniling sa amin yung po ang ibinigay namin. 47 00:12:16,010 --> 00:12:24,935 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In other words, yung House of Representatives po yung nagbigay ng informasyon at listahan ng mga kumpanya kung anong mga kumpanya ang iko-compile nyo yung mga records nila. 48 00:12:24,935 --> 00:12:26,110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 49 00:12:26,110 --> 00:12:41,970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, kahapon po nung direct examination ni Atty. Matib, you testified and answered, or just please correct me, that you stated na hindi naman po kayo personally aware sa mga contents ng SAL-N ng ating VC Presidente. Tama po ba? 50 00:12:42,570 --> 00:12:47,710 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Wala po akong access sa SAL-N ng kahit sino po. 51 00:12:47,970 --> 00:12:50,870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Besides your own SAL-N, tama 52 00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:50,910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: po ba? 53 00:12:50,910 --> 00:12:52,650 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yun lang pong SAL-N ko ang alam kong 54 00:12:52,650 --> 00:12:53,620 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: nakikita ko. 55 00:12:53,620 --> 00:13:12,760 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama. And you confirm also, sir, and just for the record, pakikonfirm na lang po na yung Securities and Exchange Commission natin sa Pilipinas as an office would also have no information about the contents of any salens of other public officers including specifically the salen of the Vice President. Tama po ba? 56 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Hindi po sa amin ang lagakan 57 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ng mga salen. 58 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:36,670 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So yung tanong ko po, at the time when you first compiled and gathered all the documents, corporate records that are on file or maintained by the Securities and Exchange Commission, wala pong personal na knowledge yung SEC na yung mga korporasyon na iyon ay nakadeklara o nakalagay sa salay ng ating vicepresidente? 59 00:13:37,530 --> 00:13:38,290 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po 60 00:13:38,290 --> 00:13:38,690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: namin 61 00:13:38,690 --> 00:13:39,030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: alam. 62 00:13:39,250 --> 00:13:46,740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In other words, is it correct to say that the SEC merely relied on the information provided by the House of Representatives? 63 00:13:46,740 --> 00:13:47,430 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Objection. 64 00:13:47,650 --> 00:14:00,270 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Just to clarify, Your Honor, is the Council is referring to the SEC, Your Honor. Perhaps he should refer to this witness, Your Honor, because SEC, we're talking about an institution, Your Honor. 65 00:14:01,070 --> 00:14:03,470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: The documents come from the SEC, Your Honor. 66 00:14:04,070 --> 00:14:09,710 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's a comment, Atty. Justin, anyway. Atty. Erwin, you may proceed, Atty. Justin. 67 00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:18,530 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat po, Your Honor. Kayo po, kayo po mismo at ang opisina niyo, nag-rely lang po kayo sa impormasyon na pinigay ng House of Representatives. 68 00:14:18,530 --> 00:14:19,605 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 69 00:14:19,605 --> 00:14:35,830 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that as the representative of the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically the Company Registration and Monitoring Department, your testimony Before this court is limited to the records that are maintained by your division. Tama po ba? 70 00:14:35,830 --> 00:14:36,770 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 71 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:51,100 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, kahapon din po, Atty. Del Rosario, nag-identify din po kayo for the first time ng mga summaries na supposedly and according to you, prepared by your office. Do you recall that? 72 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:53,260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Naalala ko po. 73 00:14:53,260 --> 00:15:03,780 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And according to you, these summaries were supposedly prepared by the Securities and Exchange Commission upon the request of the Prosecution Panel. Tama po ba? 74 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:04,980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 75 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:15,890 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And specifically, this request from the Prosecution Panel of the House of Representatives is through a letter dated September 10, 2026. Tama po ba? 76 00:15:15,890 --> 00:15:16,810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 77 00:15:16,810 --> 00:15:20,880 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At sino po yung pumirma nung letter request na yun galing sa House of Representatives? 78 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang nakalagda po sa request na yun ay si Congresswoman Louise Stroh. 79 00:15:26,060 --> 00:15:35,835 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And in relation to that request that we are just discussing now, Atty., You confirmed that your office prepared two separate sets of summaries nung pinakita natin kahapon. 80 00:15:35,835 --> 00:15:37,000 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 81 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:50,330 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Particularly, isa dito is yung may label na tinatawag na Summary of Vice President Duterte Shareholdings tapos sa ibang pages naman, Manassas R. Carpio Shareholdings. Naalala niyo po? 82 00:15:50,330 --> 00:15:51,860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 83 00:15:51,860 --> 00:15:54,160 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kayo po ba yung naglagay ng label na yun? 84 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 85 00:15:55,020 --> 00:16:06,385 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. My next question. Now, this summary contains several information relative to articles of incorporation and general information sheets of various corporations. Do you confirm that? 86 00:16:06,385 --> 00:16:07,430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 87 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:12,470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And do you have that document with you now? I'll be going into those documents. 88 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:15,040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Dala ko po. Nasa holding room lang yung mga dokument. 89 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:28,740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sige. Your Honor, just to allow the witness to have that document since my cross will pertain to that, may we just request that the witness be allowed to secure those documents or if the prosecution... could help and provide the witness with that document. 90 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:39,040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Your Honor, if I may be clarified, yung summary po, dala ko ngayon, pero yung pinanggalingan po ng buod ng summary ko ay nasa holding room po. 91 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:50,840 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ah, okay. I'm referring to particularly po, Atty. Delosario, yung mga summary nasa inyo po. Sige po, please po, pakilabas na lang po kasi may mga tungako in relation to those documents. 92 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You already have a copy of that, Atty. Justin, correct? 93 00:16:53,780 --> 00:17:02,190 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes, Your Honor, we confirm, but Nevertheless, Your Honor, we'd just like to put on record that we haven't been given the letter dated September 10, 2016. 94 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:06,430 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: But it's okay, Your Honor. May I proceed, Your Honor? 95 00:17:06,570 --> 00:17:07,010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Please proceed. 96 00:17:07,230 --> 00:17:10,130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thank you, Your Honor. Now, hawak nyo na po yung dalawang summary? 97 00:17:11,490 --> 00:17:12,110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hawak ko na po. 98 00:17:12,370 --> 00:17:30,620 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now, puntahan po natin yung unang summary po. Yung may informasyon tungkol sa Articles of Incorporation at ng General Information Sheet ng iba't ibang mga kumpanya. Tawagin na lang po natin yung first summary. Tama po ba na 27 pages yan? Pakicheck po. 99 00:17:32,270 --> 00:17:34,350 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Composed of 27 pages. 100 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:37,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 101 00:17:37,490 --> 00:18:00,420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Tapos yung pangalawang summary naman po, yung isang summary rather, you confirm that ito yung containing yung title niya, Incorporators Declared in the AOI- by Company, and sa ibang pages naman, Shareholders Declared in the GIS. dash by shareholder. Inukumpirman niyo po ba? 102 00:18:00,420 --> 00:18:01,270 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 103 00:18:01,270 --> 00:18:08,340 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, you confirmed that the second summary or the summary that you are looking at now is composed of 26 pages. Tama po ba? 104 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:28,280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pangalawang summary po ay listahan ng mga incorporators. 105 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:31,630 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Correct. And it is composed of 26 pages. Yan po yung tanong ko, sir. 106 00:18:31,630 --> 00:18:32,230 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 107 00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:45,620 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now, you confirmed that itong dalawang mga summary na to po that came from your office and was supposedly prepared by your office are undated. or walang date. Tama po ba na nakalagay sa dokumento? 108 00:18:45,620 --> 00:18:47,030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Walang date. 109 00:18:47,030 --> 00:18:55,830 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that both these summaries that your office supposedly prepared are also unsigned or walang perma po ng kahit sa sino man. Tama po ba? 110 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:57,180 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 111 00:18:57,180 --> 00:19:09,060 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that both these summaries that are supposedly again prepared by your office does not have a seal or even the logo of the Securities and Exchange Commission or your division. Tama po ba? 112 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:09,710 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 113 00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:17,660 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now let's go to the letter dated September 14, 2026 that you signed. Nasa inyo na po? 114 00:19:17,660 --> 00:19:18,700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nasa akin na po. 115 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:39,860 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that in this letter it states, and I quote, and please confirm this, and I quote, To prepare a summary of general information sheet and audited financial statements of the corporations and partnerships in your letter in connection with the impeachment trial of the Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte. You confirm na may paragraph na ganyan? 116 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:40,540 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. 117 00:19:40,880 --> 00:20:00,640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And the second paragraph of the same letter dated September 14, 2026 that you also signed, you confirm that it states, and I quote, the Commission respectfully transmits herewith the summaries of GIS and AFS both in electronic and hard copies format. End of quote. You confirm that? 118 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:01,300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 119 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:15,030 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, based on that document po, Atty. Del Rosario, can you please confirm that there is no mention for a request Of a summary of the articles of incorporations. Wala pong nakamention dyan. Tama po ba? 120 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:20,660 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po nakasulat. 121 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:34,480 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Pasensya po, uminom lang. And you also confirm that there is also no summary, there's also no request rather, of summary of incorporators in that letter request. 122 00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:38,880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po sa ang trasbital letter, wala po. 123 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:59,320 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm, Atty. Del Rosario, that in the general information sheet naman po, Bilang isang kawaninang ating SEC, ang nare-reflect po sa GIS are the current stockholders of the corporation. At iniindicate lang whether yung current stockholders ay incorporator or hindi. Tama po ba? 124 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:00,120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 125 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:09,880 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And it does not have a portion where the incorporators of a corporation are declared constantly unlike our articles of incorporation. Tama po ba? 126 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:10,700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 127 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:29,490 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, despite the absence of a request for a summary of articles of incorporations or incorporators of businesses in the relevant letters, you confirm that in both your summaries, your office supposedly prepared and even included summaries of information relative to articles of incorporation, correct? 128 00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:32,430 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: I have to object, Your Honor, because the question is misleading. 129 00:21:34,890 --> 00:21:36,780 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Why is it misleading, Attorney Aaron? 130 00:21:36,780 --> 00:21:54,170 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: It is misleading, Your Honor, because Council was referring to the September 14, 2026, transmit a letter. That was not the request letter. The request letter was September 10, 2026, which clearly stated the inclusion of articles of incorporation for the summary. 131 00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:58,830 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Your Honor, we're asking in relation to September 14, 2026. 132 00:21:59,190 --> 00:22:01,030 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: If there is such a letter. If 133 00:22:01,030 --> 00:22:04,790 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: there is such... Request with respect to those summaries. 134 00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:09,330 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: But Your Honor, that September 14 is the transmittal letter from the SEC. 135 00:22:11,170 --> 00:22:20,490 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Again, if there is such a request, the problem is that the transmittal letter has not yet been furnished with the counsel for the respondent. 136 00:22:20,490 --> 00:22:20,810 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: That is precisely the point of 137 00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:23,410 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: the defense, Your Honor. We were never furnished with this request. 138 00:22:23,410 --> 00:22:23,990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I'll allow it. 139 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:27,850 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may please answer. Objection overruled. 140 00:22:28,010 --> 00:22:46,900 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thank you, Your Honor. Maraming salamat po. Atorney, balikan ko lang po. Particularly po sa September 14, 2026 na sinulat ng SEC at yung pinirmahan nyo, hindi naman po sinabi doon na nag-submit kayo ng summaries ng Articles of Incorporation based on the words and those stated in that document. 141 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:52,580 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po, hindi nga po nakasulat sa aking transmittal letter about Articles of Incorporation. 142 00:22:52,920 --> 00:23:00,720 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat po, Delosario. Apologies for interrupting you. And you confirm wala ding nakasulat sa transmittal letter mo yung Incorporators, tama po ba? 143 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,550 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 144 00:23:01,550 --> 00:23:09,040 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Pero you confirm, nasa summaries na pre-repair niyo, nandun yung mga impormasyon relative to articles in corporation and in corporators, tama? 145 00:23:09,260 --> 00:23:13,720 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po yung basic na impormasyon sa bawat korporasyon, kaya naisama ko na po siya rin. 146 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:28,040 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay, I'll take that answer, Atty. Delosario. Now, according to you, after receiving this request from the House of Representatives, you instructed members of your team or your office to work on this request, tama po ba? 147 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 148 00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:38,870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At yan yung sabi niyo, kinumpirma niyo kahapon. Now, it would be correct for me to assume na itong mga empleyado na ito is under your direct supervision po. 149 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:39,810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 150 00:23:39,810 --> 00:23:45,690 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And these are of course employees of the Securities and Exchange, CMRD. Tama po ba? 151 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:48,280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo, ng Departamento po, CRMD. 152 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,110 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ah, CRMD. Maraming salamat po sa pag-correct sa akin, Sir. Tama po ba? 153 00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:52,830 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 154 00:23:52,830 --> 00:23:56,340 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And ilang membro po yung nagtrabaho dito, kung naalala niyo? 155 00:23:56,340 --> 00:23:58,055 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Limang tao po. 156 00:23:58,055 --> 00:24:02,820 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And for the records, can you please name all these five people who helped you work on this? 157 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:35,880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: At isa pa pong empleyado rin namin na tumulong sa kanya ay si Ms. Pamela Munzon. 158 00:24:36,430 --> 00:24:57,370 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now, let's go to the first summary that you prepared, Atty. Del Rosario. I notice, sir, that the order of the corporation listed in at least the first four corporations is as follows. Can you please check? The first corporation mentioned is City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation, found on pages 1 and 2, with page 2 being at the back portion of the first leaf. 159 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,590 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po? 160 00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:06,390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 161 00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:13,175 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yung pangalawa naman, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, found on pages 3 and 4, with page 4 being on the back leaf. 162 00:25:13,175 --> 00:25:14,450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 163 00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:18,240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Third is GenCorp Industries, Inc., found on page 5, correct? 164 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 165 00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:23,430 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And fourth is Kale88 Foods Corporation, found on page 6, correct? 166 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:27,020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 167 00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:32,170 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Na kung naalala nyo, ilang korporasyon yung pinaproduce ng House of Representatives sa opisina nyo? 168 00:25:32,170 --> 00:25:34,120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Around 16 corporations po. 169 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:43,100 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: 16 corporations. But you confirm in making that summary, in ordering per corporation, you did not arrange them alphabetically, no? 170 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:43,980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po. 171 00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:49,640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also did not arrange them based on the earliest date of incorporation or the latest date of incorporation, correct? 172 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi rin po. 173 00:25:50,400 --> 00:26:13,700 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And hindi din siya arranged based on either the highest or the lowest authorized capital stock. Tama po ba? Pero you recall, kahapon, nung nag-direct examination yung prosecution, the direct examination precisely followed. The sequence that is indicated in your summary. Una, yung City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation ang Dinesh Kasa Direct, tama po ba? Naalala nyo? 174 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:14,590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 175 00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:19,440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At kasunod, Metro City Chow Foods naman, yung Dinesh Kasa Direct, tama po ba? 176 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama rin po. 177 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,730 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tawangatlo ang Dinesh Kasa Direct, GenCorp Industries, tama po ba? 178 00:26:23,730 --> 00:26:24,560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 179 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,260 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At yung pang-apat, Kale88 Foods Corporation, tama po ba? 180 00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:28,990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama rin po. 181 00:26:28,990 --> 00:26:33,550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At nakasunod to sa summary na supposedly, pireneper ng opisina nyo. Tama? 182 00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:34,050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 183 00:26:34,050 --> 00:26:45,520 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now earlier, you confirmed that you received the request on September 10, 2026. Tama po ba? 184 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Natanggap ko po siya ng September... 185 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: 10. 186 00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:50,690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ...11 po. 187 00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:51,640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sorry, yes. 11. 188 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,890 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. At sabi mo kanina limang tao lang po yung gumawa nito. 189 00:26:56,890 --> 00:26:57,310 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 190 00:26:57,310 --> 00:27:07,320 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. So you were able... Okay, let's go to the timelines. You received this September 11. Tama po. And that's a Friday. Tama po ba? 191 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:07,690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 192 00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:14,020 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And September 12 and 13 are actually Saturdays and Sundays respectively, correct? 193 00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:14,700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 194 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:22,130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you were able to provide the House Prosecution Panel on the following Monday on September 14, 2026, correct? 195 00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:23,400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po. 196 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kailan niyo po nabigay? Yung transmittal letter niyo kasi sir is September 14, 2026. 197 00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:29,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kahapon lang po. 198 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:35,770 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kapon lang. Pero natapos na po kasi, can you please confirm na natapos na yung summary nung September 14, 2026? 199 00:27:35,770 --> 00:27:41,440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Natapos po siya ng Monday, September, o Monday na yun, ng hapon. 200 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:48,060 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ng hapon, 14, 2026. Now, tatlong araw lang po ginawa to ng team nyo na limang tao. 201 00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:50,020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo, tatlong araw lang po. 202 00:27:50,020 --> 00:28:10,850 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, I remember yesterday when Atty. Matib asked me to stipulate on these documents, sinabi niya, and I quote, Considering that we have more than 200 exhibits, consisting of more than 3,000 pages. End of quote. Ito din yung mga amount or volume ng documents na in-examine at kinumpile at sinumarize ng five-man team niyo po sa SEC. 203 00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:12,070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 204 00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:16,505 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. That includes working during weekends. Tama po ba? 205 00:28:16,505 --> 00:28:18,150 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nagtrabaho po ng Sabado. 206 00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:28,650 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And it includes the process of examination of documents, inputting and typing of data, and review between the documents and the figures appearing therein and those appearing on the summaries that you've prepared. Tama po ba? 207 00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:29,480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 208 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:35,420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Let me conclude. And this is despite the fact that you only received that on September 11, 2026. 209 00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:36,190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 210 00:28:36,190 --> 00:28:49,255 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Maraming salamat. Now, yesterday, you confirmed, nung direct examination niyo, you were made to confirm several corporations identified Yesterday, that did not declare dividends. Naalala niyo po yun? 211 00:28:49,255 --> 00:28:50,230 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 212 00:28:50,230 --> 00:29:00,940 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you also confirmed that for other corporations naman, ang talagang records ng SEC is hindi niyo masabi kasi wala namang po kayong on-file na audited financial statements. 213 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron pong ganon. Meron pong ganon. 214 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:22,305 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, let's go to the fact that several corporations did not declare any dividends, no? You are aware naman po, Atty. Del Rosario, at kasi abogado naman po kayo at matagal na po kayo sa SEC, That the power of a corporation to declare dividends is under section 42 of our revised corporation code. 215 00:29:22,305 --> 00:29:23,630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 216 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:24,770 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And 217 00:29:24,770 --> 00:29:52,270 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: you confirm that under section 42 of the revised corporation code, it states that, and I quote, the board of directors of a stock corporation may declare dividends out of unrestricted retained earnings which shall be payable in cash, property, or in stock to all stockholders on the basis of the outstanding stock held by them. Naka-flash po siya but you can confirm po if tama yung... 218 00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:52,640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 219 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:59,910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Section 42. Okay. Now you confirm that under Section 42 of the Revised Corporation Code with respect to the... 220 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po ba? 221 00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:08,160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 222 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 223 00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:32,960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Unrestricted retained earnings. Tama po ba ang pagkaintindi ko sa batas? 224 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,370 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 225 00:30:33,370 --> 00:30:41,240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now you are also aware, however, na may paragraph 2 itong section 42 ng revised corporation code. Tama po ba? 226 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 227 00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:48,200 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And dito po nakalagay yung prohibition on retaining surplus profits. Tama po ba? 228 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:48,810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 229 00:30:48,810 --> 00:31:01,900 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And specifically it states, the prohibition is only that a stock corporation are prohibited from retaining surplus profits. in excess of 100% of their paid-in capital. Tama po ba? 230 00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:03,520 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 231 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,300 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay, may question. Ito po yung paid-in capital. 232 00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:17,620 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: This is the total amount of cash or property actually contributed by shareholders in relation to the subscribed shares. Tama po ba? 233 00:31:17,620 --> 00:31:18,610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 234 00:31:18,610 --> 00:31:32,870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So sa madaling salita po, ito yung mga amount of shares ng isang kumpanya na payad na talaga ng shareholders whether it be by property or whether it be by cash or other. Other allowable considerations for the purchase of shares. Tama? 235 00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:33,980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Tama po. 236 00:31:33,980 --> 00:31:43,800 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kasi pwede naman po para maintindihan po natin na mag-subscribe ng shares sa kumpanya at hindi mo bayaran yung buong subscription. Tama po ba? 237 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Maari po yan. 238 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:51,350 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Kaya may distinction po sa summary na pre-prepare nyo, amount subscribed at amount paid up. Tama? 239 00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:52,430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 240 00:31:52,430 --> 00:32:01,935 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now let's go back under section 42. What is prohibited is not the fact That a corporation does not issue any dividends. Tama po ba? 241 00:32:01,935 --> 00:32:03,560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Pakiulit po. 242 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:18,960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sorry. I'll do it slowly. Under Section 42, hindi naman prohibited ang hindi pag-declare ng dividendo. Tama po? Dahil sa word na may. What is prohibited is retaining surplus profits in excess by 100% of payment capital. 243 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 244 00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:24,970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So kapag walang dineklara, hindi naman po illegal yung ginagawa ng mga korporasyon. Tama po ba? 245 00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:26,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi naman po. 246 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:46,100 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Pero kahit na, Under the prohibition on paragraph 42, you agree naman po, Atty. Del Rosario, na may exceptions kung saan pwede po tayong mag-withheld ng declaration of dividendo kahit na nag-exceed na yung surplus profits mo sa paid-in capital. Tama po ba? 247 00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:47,920 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron pong tatlong exception under 248 00:32:47,920 --> 00:33:02,800 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: section 42. At ito yung mga exception, just please confirm. A. When justified by definite expansion projects or programs approved by the Board of Directors. Tama po ba? Yan po yung una. Ito yung sa mga abogado tinatawag po 249 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,790 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: natin na approved expansions for brevity. Tama po? 250 00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:06,650 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 251 00:33:06,650 --> 00:33:24,780 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yung pangalawang exception naman po, when the corporation is prohibited under any loan agreement with financial institution or creditors, whether local or foreign, from declaring dividends without their consent and such consent has not yet been secured. Pwede din po, tama? 252 00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:25,460 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 253 00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:29,610 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ito yung mga tinatawag natin na abogado na loan restrictions. Tama po ba? 254 00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:30,400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 255 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:47,340 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, yung pangatlo, when it can be clearly shown that such retention is necessary under special circumstances obtaining in the corporation, such as when there is a need for a special reserve for probable contingencies. Tama po ba? 256 00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:48,280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po yung pangatlo. 257 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,900 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ito yung tinatawag natin na special circumstances. Tama po ba? 258 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:52,650 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 259 00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:58,765 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At kasali dito, Ang yung mga kaso, halimbawa yung kumpanya, may litigation, tama po ba? 260 00:33:58,765 --> 00:34:00,230 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 261 00:34:00,230 --> 00:34:12,555 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. And you confirm, sir, na kapag ginagawa ito ng corporation, meaning invoking those three exceptions, dapat nire-report ito sa audited financial statement? 262 00:34:12,555 --> 00:34:13,890 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Dapat po. 263 00:34:13,890 --> 00:34:20,340 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Pero you confirm, sir, in the summary that you prepared, ang nilagay nyo lang, no dividends declared. 264 00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:21,540 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Objection. 265 00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:23,710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I'm just asking a confirmation, Your Honor. 266 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:26,170 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What 267 00:34:26,170 --> 00:34:27,440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: is your objection, attorney? 268 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:56,990 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Misleading, your honor, as to the information. All that they put in the summary is no dividends declared because the summary precisely contains more than that information, your honor. It also includes information or columns about appropriation, retained earnings, unrestricted retained earnings. So it's misleading to say that the only information in the summary is... The information that there were no dividends declared. I don't think 269 00:34:56,990 --> 00:35:30,330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: that was the intention of the question, Attorney Erwin. However, it may nevertheless still be misleading because insofar as that column is concerned, it did not only contain no dividends declared as the witness clarified yesterday upon the questioning of the presiding officer. He clarified that In the illustration of the counsel for the prosecution, hindi siya lahat no dividends declared sa kanyang summary. Iba, no 270 00:35:30,330 --> 00:35:35,370 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: documents submitted. Sorry for interrupting, Your Honor. I was actually going to touch on those two things, Your Honor. 271 00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:37,330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. And then in that case, proceed, counsel. 272 00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:38,070 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes. 273 00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:41,960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So, ang nakalagay po sa summary is either no dividend declared, tama? 274 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:42,900 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 275 00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Or sa iba naman, no information, no AFS final. 276 00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:46,690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: No AFS po. 277 00:35:46,690 --> 00:36:02,050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama. Correct. Pero sa mga no-dividend declared specifically na mga in-input nyo, ang may correct na walang qualification dun whether the surplus profits of the company already exceeded the paid-in capital. Walang qualification? 278 00:36:02,050 --> 00:36:03,250 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 279 00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:14,050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala din qualification dun sa summaries nyo whether the annual financial statements of the corporation disclose exceptions under section 42 to justify non-declaration of dividends? 280 00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:14,730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 281 00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:15,570 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 282 00:36:15,570 --> 00:36:25,010 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, you or the SEC do not have even personal knowledge whether those exceptions were invoked by any of those corporations. Tama po ba? 283 00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:27,020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Check ko lang po yung aking notes. 284 00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:30,420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Please do. For the record, Your Honor, the witness is checking notes. 285 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:36,900 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: May we just request a representative from the defense to peruse the memorandum or notes being used by the witness. 286 00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:41,220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Similarly, assisting counsel for the prosecution is authorized to... 287 00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:46,950 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Assist and view the documents being perused by the witness. 288 00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:31,190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po sa notes ko. 289 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:34,460 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. At wala din po sa dalawang summaries. Tama po ba? 290 00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:36,030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 291 00:37:36,030 --> 00:37:55,010 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat, Atty. Del Rosario. Now, yesterday, during the interjections of some of our good senator-judges, you were also asked about what income could the Vice President and Manassas R. Carpio could possibly derive from these corporations given the absence of declaration of dividends. Naalala niyong portion na iyon? 292 00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:55,615 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 293 00:37:55,615 --> 00:38:10,800 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: But you confirm that the SEC or the Securities and Exchange Commission has no record or information about the income that the Vice President received during the years that she was a private individual and exerciser profession. 294 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala naman po tayong recording dyan sa SEC. Wala po kaming ganong informasyon. 295 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:24,420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And no record as well about the income that was derived by Atty. Manassas R. Carpio in relation to his several years of practice of profession. Tama po ba? 296 00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:25,510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 297 00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:36,520 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm as well that the SEC has no record of the compensation income of the Vice President during the years that she was the Vice Mayor, Mayor, and the Vice President or a Public Officer. Tama? 298 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,615 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming ganong informasyon. 299 00:38:38,615 --> 00:38:46,840 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala ding information yung SEC at hindi po ito yung opisina ng gobyerno na nagre-record whether nakantanggap sila ng mga inheritance. 300 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,000 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 301 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:53,550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Hindi din sila yung nagre-record whether there was sales of properties, real properties specifically. 302 00:38:53,550 --> 00:38:54,775 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 303 00:38:54,775 --> 00:39:04,470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At hindi din ito yung institution ng ating gobyerno na nag-a-appraise ng mga value ng mga lupain na nakadeklara sa mga salihin or mga lupain in general. 304 00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:06,730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po mandato ng aming tanggapan yan. 305 00:39:06,730 --> 00:39:26,960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And all it has, specifically, relative to the possible income of the Vice President and her spouse, are those declarations or non-declarations of dividends which are available in your records. Tama po ba? At yan lang po yung kaya niyong Itestigo sa impeachment court na ito. 306 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung 307 00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:32,650 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ano lamang po ang laman ng dokumentong na request sa amin, yun lang po ang kaya naming sabihin dito. 308 00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:53,735 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat, Atty. Del Rosario. Kahapon din, you were asked about circumstances that could possibly justify bakit po wala yung pangalan ng vicepresidente sa mga general information sheet na in-identify niyo. Specifically, you discussed matters relating to trust agreements. Naalala niyo pa ba yun? 309 00:39:53,735 --> 00:39:54,355 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 310 00:39:54,355 --> 00:40:01,640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, this was asked in relation specifically to the corporation GenCorp Industries, Inc. Could you recall that? 311 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes, sir. 312 00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:11,520 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: However, you confirm, sir, that your mention of a trust agreement yesterday was not based on information available to the SEC. 313 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 314 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:20,050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ito lang po yung opinion nyo base sa experience nyo. bilang isang empleyado at officer sa SEC natin. Tama? 315 00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:20,750 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 316 00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:34,770 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also confirm, sir, that you have no personal knowledge whether there is any trust agreement between the Vice President or any of the registered shareholders in GenCorp Industries Inc. or other corporations. Tama po ba? 317 00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:35,430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 318 00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:48,430 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, sir, you can confirm that trust agreements are generally not required to be submitted with the Securities and Exchange Commission Kasi, itong mga agreements na to, between the parties naman. Tama po ba? 319 00:40:48,430 --> 00:40:49,090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 320 00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:52,910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Pero, yung exception dito ay ang mga voting trust agreements. 321 00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:53,600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama. 322 00:40:53,600 --> 00:41:10,560 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po. Kasi, sa ilalim ng ating batas, Section 58 of the Revised Corporation Code, kapag may voting trust agreement, dapat sinusumite, specific po yung batas natin, ang certified true copy ng voting trust agreement na yan sa commission or SEC. Tama po ba? Naalala nyo yan? 323 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 324 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:23,750 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm, sir, that in the records that you... Perused and reviewed. For all these corporations, including GenCorp Industries Inc., walang voting trust agreement na CTC na sinumite sa kumpanya niyo. 325 00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:25,730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala pong application on that. 326 00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:36,920 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So you confirm, sir, that your testimony relating to trust agreements in general or that hypothetical scenario is only based on possibility and speculation. Tama po ba? 327 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:37,920 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Objection. 328 00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:39,660 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Misleading, Your Honor. 329 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:50,000 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I am not. I am asking the witness to confirm whether my statement is correct. I am not saying that statement was misleading or speculation. Your Honor, 330 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,060 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: the witness is not 331 00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:51,880 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: speculating. 332 00:41:53,020 --> 00:42:03,820 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank you, Your Honor. Witness is not speculating, Your Honor. He's testifying on the basis of his more than 30 years of experience with the SEC, Your Honor. He's not merely speculating. 333 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If you know... If he knows, counsel, I'll allow it. 334 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:13,510 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat. Thank you, Your 335 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:13,710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Honor. 336 00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:23,750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If the objection is with respect to the word speculating, then he can, he's a lawyer, he can say whether he is or he's not. Atty. 337 00:42:23,850 --> 00:42:25,000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Delosario, kindly answer. 338 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:37,275 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pong tungkol sa trust agreement ay hindi ko naman po pinapatungkol na meron itong kumpanya na ito. Kundi umiisip lang po, tinatanong ko, kung meron bang posibilidad na nangyayari ito. 339 00:42:37,275 --> 00:42:41,640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So you confirm 340 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:50,740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: possibility or kuru-kuru lang po? Tama? Maraming salamat, Atty. Del Rosario. Now, Atty. Del Rosario, sabihin nyo lang po if kailangan kayong uminom ng tubig. Okay 341 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:50,860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: na 342 00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:51,590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. Nakainom na. 343 00:42:51,590 --> 00:43:04,270 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thank you po. Another way also to check if a person's ownership is in a corporation despite the fact na hindi siya nag-a-appear as shareholder is looking into the Beneficial Ownership Declaration form. Tama po ba? 344 00:43:04,270 --> 00:43:05,415 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 345 00:43:05,415 --> 00:43:11,650 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At noon, sinusummit ito kasama ng GIS at ngayon meron na po tayong harbor system. Tama po ba? 346 00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:12,560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 347 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:25,740 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, sa summaries nyo, wala po tayong nilagay na any summary in relation to the names or people declared in those beneficial ownership declaration forms. Tama po ba? 348 00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:27,815 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po akong nilagay. 349 00:43:27,815 --> 00:43:38,150 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Nevertheless, you confirmed that beneficial ownership declarations only reveal if there is some sort of beneficial or legal ownership. Correct? 350 00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:39,110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 351 00:43:39,110 --> 00:43:46,210 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Hindi ito nagre-reveal kung meron kang investment sa korporasyon kasi hindi naman ito beneficial ownership. Tama? 352 00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:58,840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po akong... siguro masasabi kong incompetent ako on that dahil hindi po dumaraan sa aking department ang tungkol sa beneficial ownership form. 353 00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. 354 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:06,280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kaya wala rin po akong nilagay na anumang informasyon dahil... Wala po akong access sa dokumentong iyan. 355 00:44:06,340 --> 00:44:22,640 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: It's okay, Atty. Maraming salamat po for being candid. I'll just ask if you're aware, given your position. Now, are you aware, dinedeklara ba ang may mga credits sa Beneficial Ownership Form? Halimbawa, may utang sa iyo yung korporasyon. Kailangan ka bang ilagay ng korporasyon doon? 356 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:30,920 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi nga. Incompetent po ako dyan dahil hindi ko pa rin po alam kung ano ang mga detalye na nasa forms ng BO declaration. 357 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:47,160 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay, my next question is actually, abogado at public officer kayo. Now you are aware that under business disclosure requirement of the SAL-N na nagsusumiti dun po kayo, hindi lang naman limitado sa shareholdings ang dapat i-declare under that disclosure. Tama po ba? 358 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 359 00:44:47,960 --> 00:45:34,510 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, as a public officer and as a prudent public officer at that, you are aware of the latest 2025 Omnibus SAL-N rules specifically. Section 62, it describes it and defines it as I quote, Nature of business interest or financial connection refers to existing interest or connection in any business enterprise whether as a proprietor, investor, promoter, partner, shareholder, officer, managing director, executive, creditor, lawyer, legal consultant, and then it goes on and the like. Tama po ba? So kahit hindi ka shareholder sa isang kumpanya, kung meron ka nito, Itong i-enumerate and the like, dapat i-deklara pa rin sa business disclosure. 360 00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:44,050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung ikaw po ay may interest sa mga bagay niyan at alam mong part siya ng iyong pag-aari o yaman, eh dapat mong ilagay. 361 00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:55,410 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat po. Sunod, kahapon, tinanong din po kayo, I just don't recall specifically who, about Section 13, Article 7 of the Constitution. You recall that? 362 00:45:55,410 --> 00:45:57,450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Iaalala ko po. 363 00:45:58,990 --> 00:46:03,950 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, pardon if I have to ask this question po, Atty. Batu, but this is just for the record. 364 00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:08,010 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Excuse me, Your Honor, the witness is not Atty. Batu. Pardon, 365 00:46:08,110 --> 00:46:08,790 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Your Honor. Atty. 366 00:46:08,850 --> 00:46:10,110 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Batu is done with her testimony. 367 00:46:10,110 --> 00:46:10,350 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I'm done 368 00:46:10,350 --> 00:46:21,910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: with Atty. Batu. My apologies. But I will proceed. Atty. Delosario, rather. As the Executive Director of the SEC, CRMD, it is not your function... 369 00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:24,450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Direktor lang po. 370 00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:29,190 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Direktor, sorry. Direktor, it is not your function, of course, to interpret the Constitution. 371 00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:30,610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 372 00:46:30,610 --> 00:46:39,560 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So your interpellation or interjection and comments in relation to Section 13, Article 7 of the Constitution, is based on your own understanding as a lawyer. 373 00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:43,830 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Yun po ang aking pagkakaunawa sa provision na yan. 374 00:46:43,850 --> 00:46:46,110 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And that was your opinion as a lawyer. Tama po ba? 375 00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:47,155 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 376 00:46:47,155 --> 00:47:01,260 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: However, you confirm that as a lawyer, Section 13, Article 7 of the Constitution, Atty. Del Rosario, uses the term, and I quote, participate in any business, end of quote. Do you confirm that, sir? 377 00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:04,160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Naka-flash po siya sa screen. Yan po yung nakalagay. 378 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:10,040 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: It does not say, and I quote, have interest in any business, end of quote. Correct? 379 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po ako i-correct ni 380 00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:13,150 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: President Officer Capal. 381 00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:19,670 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And it does not say, and I quote, have shares in any corporation, end of quote. Tama po ba? 382 00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:21,300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala pong sinabi. 383 00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:36,830 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now yesterday, you also briefly Discussed the prohibition against the conflict of interest under Republic Act 6713 or the Code of Conduct and Ethical Standards for Public Officials and Employees. Naalala niyo? You briefly touched on it. 384 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,660 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po akong naalala sa paksa na yan. 385 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:48,690 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Nung tinanong po kayo whether may prohibition po yung mga empleyado to have conflict of interest in businesses. I believe 386 00:47:48,690 --> 00:47:59,670 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: the question is misleading, Your Honor, because I believe the question was about the local government code pertaining to mayors, governors. If it 387 00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:59,750 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: all 388 00:47:59,750 --> 00:48:03,330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: already answered that the witness does not recall, move on, counsel. 389 00:48:03,330 --> 00:48:04,050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes, Your Honor. 390 00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:10,710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I will move on. Now, however, as a lawyer and public official yourself, you are aware of 6713. 391 00:48:12,820 --> 00:48:13,480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 392 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:20,710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you're aware, of course, that the phrase conflict of interest in that law As a technical definition under our laws, tama po ba? 393 00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:24,490 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tinedefine po yung termino na conflict of interest. 394 00:48:24,930 --> 00:48:33,970 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Your Honor, I'll have to object because as the witness stated, this was not taken up during his direct examination. So this is irrelevant, 395 00:48:36,010 --> 00:48:44,950 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Your Honor. Outside the scope already of the direct examination. We should not unnecessarily prolong the cross-examination, Your Honor. He should move on to his next point. 396 00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:59,610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The witness is a lawyer and testified as to matters pertaining to his interpretation of similar provisions. I'll allow it. Witness may answer. If you know, Atty. Del Rosario, kung alam niyo po. Maray po bang pakibasa talaga? 397 00:48:59,610 --> 00:49:02,310 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yes, papunta. So hindi niyo po mabasa sa distance na niyan? 398 00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:02,850 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po. 399 00:49:02,850 --> 00:49:37,170 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay, my question is this. Are you aware that under Section 3I of RA 6713, conflict of interest arises when a public official or employee is a member of a board, an officer, or a substantial stockholder of a private corporation or owner or has substantial interest in a business and the interests of such corporation or business or his rights or duties therein may be opposed to or affected by the faithful performance of official duty. Are you aware of that provision? 400 00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:37,730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po yan. 401 00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:41,530 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And it mentions substantial stockholder. 402 00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,010 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: May binabanggit 403 00:49:46,010 --> 00:49:48,290 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: pong substantial stockholder. 404 00:49:52,170 --> 00:49:53,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 405 00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:11,730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 406 00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:18,710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You are also not competent to determine whether the vice president in any of these corporations have substantial interest. Tama po ba? 407 00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:19,180 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 408 00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:22,210 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You are limited to what these documents show. Correct? 409 00:50:22,210 --> 00:50:22,880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 410 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:37,150 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also have no personal knowledge whether the alleged interest of the vice president in any of these corporations may be, and I quote, opposed to or affected by the faithful performance of her duties. And then, end of quote. Correct? 411 00:50:37,150 --> 00:50:38,910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa dokumento po, wala po. 412 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:46,540 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And there is no prohibition in fact. For a public officer's spouse to have any interest in a corporation or business. Tama po ba? 413 00:50:46,540 --> 00:50:47,610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala naman po. 414 00:50:47,610 --> 00:50:51,240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And no prohibition on their spouse to practice their profession. Tama po ba? 415 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:51,780 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 416 00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:57,810 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And no prohibition for businesses that are related to their spouse to have contracts with government agencies. Tama po ba? 417 00:51:01,580 --> 00:51:02,480 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Expressly under the law. 418 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:08,040 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Which law, Your Honor? And perhaps the witness should be shown a copy of the law for... 419 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,400 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: If he is aware, Your Honor, I'm referring to 6713. 420 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,180 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Which specific part, Your Honor? 421 00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:22,630 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Because what is being shown is merely Section 9 and Letter I under that. So he doesn't have a full copy of the law. 422 00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:27,970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If he doesn't, then he may answer accordingly. Kung hindi niyo po alam, Atty. Del Rosario, sabihin niyo lang po. Okay lang 423 00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:33,950 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. Pwede po bang i-flash yung Section 7, Article 13 ng Constitution sa second paragraph? 424 00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:36,180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: I'm referring to 6713 po. 425 00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:37,590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Dito po, wala po akong nakikita. 426 00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:55,510 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala naman po. Maraming salamat. Now let's go to, yesterday you were asked also about documents that would possibly show Divestment of the vice president in companies. Ito po yung mga dokumento na baka naman makapakita na nag-divest yung vice president sa kumpanya yan. Naalala nyo? 427 00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:57,090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. Meron po mga... 428 00:51:57,090 --> 00:52:09,600 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Nasabi nyo naman po kahapon. And you recall that you also mentioned that in some of the corporation, in the subsequent general information sheets, hindi na po reflected as stockholder si vice president. 429 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,325 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron pong ganong information. 430 00:52:11,325 --> 00:52:31,220 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And in other questions by our good Senator-Judges or the Council for Prosecution, apologies, I could not remember which one specifically, you were also asked about the fact that in Calilung 88's Foods Corporation, particularly in the year 2025, Manasis R. Carpio is no longer a stockholder. 431 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:32,160 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Do 432 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,060 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: you confirm that based on your summary or documents? 433 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,940 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa Calilung 88 Foods Corporation, ano pong taon? 434 00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:49,160 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: 2025 po. 435 00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:55,780 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: 2025, Manas Escarpio, does not appear as director or stockholder. 436 00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:59,170 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sa prior years nag-appear siya, kaya may mga tanong dyan, di ba? 437 00:52:59,170 --> 00:53:00,050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 438 00:53:00,050 --> 00:53:16,440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. Now, you confirmed that ordinarily po, Atty. Del Rosario, the SEC does not require the submissions of copies of deed of assignments of shares of stock to support change in the ownership of shares na nare-reflect sa ating general information sheet. 439 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:27,840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Iri-require po namin yan. Generally, hindi. Pero meron pong requirements yan kung ito ay pinambayad mo ng equity. Which must be transferred in the name of the corporation. Correct. And 440 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:46,770 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: you confirmed that even under Securities Exchange Memorandum Circular No. 17, Series of 2004, the SEC no longer recognizes the recording of a deed of assignment of shares of stock with respect to any legal benefit to the corporation or the person involved. Tama po ba? 441 00:53:46,770 --> 00:53:47,670 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 442 00:53:47,670 --> 00:54:00,720 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Under that SEC Memorandum Circular, in fact, what controls po is the transfer of shares that are recorded by the corporate secretary in the stock and transfer book of the corporation. Tama po ba? 443 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:01,640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 444 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:21,060 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirmed that the SEC would not have any information record relating to any registration of deed of assignment of shares of stock in any of the corporations po na tinalakay niyo since the custody of Stock and transfer books or STBs are with the corporation's corporate secretary. 445 00:54:21,060 --> 00:54:22,120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 446 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:36,300 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In other words, you are incompetent, Atty. Delosario, to testify whether there was divestment, transfer of shares in relation to any of these corporations as appearing in the STB. As appearing in the STB. That's my question, Your Honor. 447 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:38,560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: On 448 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,820 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: the STB po, wala po kaming access on that. 449 00:54:40,820 --> 00:54:52,670 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat. Yesterday, You also identified incorporation documents of several corporations that you certified and transmitted to the House of Representatives. Do you recall that? 450 00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:53,680 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes po. 451 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:59,955 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And by incorporation documents, we are referring to certificates of incorporation, correct? 452 00:54:59,955 --> 00:55:01,160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 453 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,000 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Articles of incorporation, correct? 454 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:03,960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 455 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,570 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Corporate bylaws, tama po ba? 456 00:55:05,570 --> 00:55:05,990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama 457 00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:06,130 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. 458 00:55:06,350 --> 00:55:15,205 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, to name a few, specifically, ang in-identify niyo ay sa Metro City Chow Foods Corp., Madayo Fisheries, Inc., Amianan Shores, Inc. Tama po ba? 459 00:55:15,205 --> 00:55:16,965 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po yan. 460 00:55:16,965 --> 00:55:29,090 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now you confirm that these are in the records of or on file with the SEC because these are documents submitted to the SEC by these corporations in relation to incorporation. 461 00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:30,220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 462 00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:43,360 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In other words, the documents issued by or pwede din naman po ito po yung mga dokumento na ini-issue ng SEC kaugnay sa incorporasyon ng isang kumpanya kagaya ng Certificate of Incorporation. Tama po ba? 463 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Yan po ang ini-issue namin. 464 00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:59,530 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: However, you confirm, sir, that besides what appears in these documents, po, the SEC does not have any personal knowledge in relation to agreements between incorporators in relation to the setting up of a corporation. 465 00:55:59,530 --> 00:56:01,760 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming kidalaman doon. 466 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:14,750 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also confirm that the SEC has no personal knowledge on the intended business operation scale besides the primary and secondary purpose, if any, declared in the Articles of Incorporation. 467 00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:19,250 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: kung ano lang po ang nasa article siya po ang pininiwalaan naming negosyo niya. 468 00:56:19,310 --> 00:56:30,455 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala din pong record or information yung Securities and Exchange Commission natin kung saan nanggaling yung pera para sa initial paid up capital stock of each incorporator. Tama? 469 00:56:30,455 --> 00:56:31,700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po. 470 00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:48,610 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Wala din po kayong personal knowledge or information in relation to the amount of the... as to why... There is an initial proportion in the initial subscription of shares for each incorporator. Bakit po? 25-25-25 or 50-25-25? Hindi niyo po alam kung bakit ganyan yung setup. 471 00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:50,290 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po namin alam. 472 00:56:50,370 --> 00:56:55,280 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Ang alam niyo lang, ni-report yung stockholding structure. Tama po ba? 473 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sinood po nila yung patakaran at time yung 25-25. 474 00:56:58,590 --> 00:57:03,220 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Correct. And yung patakaran na yan, hindi naman po nag-a-apply na ngayon. Tama po ba? 475 00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:03,760 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi na po. 476 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,310 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. So to confirm, the SEC has no personal knowledge or information. 477 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:17,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 478 00:57:28,690 --> 00:57:29,210 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 479 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,760 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: in relation to the GIS themselves or the summaries. Do you recall that? 480 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,240 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 481 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:54,400 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You confirmed that ito po mga general information sheets, para lang po maintindahan natin lahat, ito po ang mga reports na sinusumite ng corporation sa SEC as required by law. Tama po ba? 482 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,210 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 483 00:57:55,210 --> 00:58:05,970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And under Section 177B of the Revised Corporation Code, this reportorial requirement is imposed upon the corporation. Tama? 484 00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:07,010 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 485 00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:14,030 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirm that this statutory obligation is not imposed upon stockholders, directors, or officers of the corporation? 486 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Naka 487 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:16,480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: -imposed 488 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po sa corporate secretary ng 489 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:18,600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: kumpanya. 490 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:18,940 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Correct. 491 00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:28,550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: The only exception is the corporate secretary who is required to certify and swear under oath the contents of a general information sheet. 492 00:58:28,550 --> 00:58:29,070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 493 00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:37,850 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: But it is not the corporate secretary who is under the law obligated to File a GIS kasi sa korporasyon naman po yan. Clarification lang po. 494 00:58:37,850 --> 00:58:38,470 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 495 00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:52,240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Okay. And you confirmed that this is the principle or ito po yung framework natin kasi may separate and distinct personality naman po yung korporasyon sa mga stockholders, directors, and officers natin. Tama po ba? 496 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,060 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 497 00:58:53,060 --> 00:59:00,470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you therefore confirmed that the GIS as viewed under the law originates from the corporation. Tama? 498 00:59:00,470 --> 00:59:01,530 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 499 00:59:01,530 --> 00:59:05,290 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: and submitted by the corporation to the SEC. Tama? 500 00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:06,540 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 501 00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:14,280 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And in all the GIS you identified yesterday, you confirmed that the vice president was never a corporate secretary. 502 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 503 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:22,920 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: None of these GISs, accordingly, were sworn upon by the vice president herself. Tama po ba? 504 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:23,540 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 505 00:59:23,540 --> 00:59:31,300 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you testified yesterday that a domestic stock corporation is also required to submit GISs on specific periods. 506 00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:32,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 507 00:59:32,490 --> 00:59:42,300 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Isa po dito, generally, within 30 calendar days from the date of actual stockholders and the conduct of the annual stockholders meeting. Tama po ba? 508 00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:42,960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 509 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:50,180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Yung iba naman, may mga specific corporate changes na, if I'm not mistaken, within 7 days should be reported to the SEC. Tama po ba? 510 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,860 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po. Now you confirm that besides what appears on the face of the general information sheet, 511 00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:55,950 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: the 512 00:59:55,950 --> 00:59:59,970 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Securities and Exchange Commission po does not have any knowledge or information 513 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,320 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming informasyon ng dati. 514 01:00:28,330 --> 01:00:28,710 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: What 515 01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:30,150 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: kind of information he's asking? 516 01:00:30,450 --> 01:00:34,910 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Your Honor, I think my question was clear, Your Honor. If the witness knows, Your Honor. I think 517 01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:40,070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: he's referring generally, counsel. Witness may answer if he 518 01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:41,650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: knows. Alam niyo po, Atty. Del Rosario? 519 01:00:42,290 --> 01:00:45,790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kami personal information kung ano po ang nangyayari sa kanila. 520 01:00:46,290 --> 01:00:56,570 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, you even confirm, Atty. Del Rosario, na hindi naman nire-require yung mga korporasyon natin na magsumiti ng minutes of the meeting ng kahit anong corporate meeting. Tama po ba? 521 01:00:56,850 --> 01:00:57,330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 522 01:00:58,250 --> 01:01:16,090 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now yesterday, you were made to confirm that based on the summary you prepared and the corporate documents from 2022-2025 specifically, declared the Vice President as a member of the Board of Directors of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. Naalala nyo yun? 523 01:01:16,090 --> 01:01:17,200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 524 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:26,050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now you were also made to confirm that the Vice President from 2022-2025 is a member of the Compensation Committee as reflected in your summary? 525 01:01:31,090 --> 01:01:32,970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Yan po ang nakalagay sa GIS. 526 01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:46,130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: However, you confirm, given your answers to my earlier questions, that the SEC has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President did in fact participate or attend in any of the meetings of the Board of Directors in these years. Tama 527 01:01:46,130 --> 01:01:46,350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. 528 01:01:46,350 --> 01:02:01,550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You also have no, in fact, you do not have any minutes of the meeting of the Board of Directors of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, whether special, regular, or organizational meeting, which would show that the Vice President participated or attended. Tama po ba? 529 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming information on that. 530 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:19,230 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: You can also confirm that the SEC has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President did in fact participate or attend in any of the meetings of the Compensation Committee of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation in the years 2022 to 2025. Correct? 531 01:02:19,230 --> 01:02:20,800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: No information po on that. 532 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:32,700 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, you do not have any minutes of the meeting of the Compensation Committee of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation which would otherwise show that the Vice President participated or attended its meetings. Tama po ba? 533 01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:33,460 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 534 01:02:33,460 --> 01:02:45,550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Further, please confirm that the SEC has no personal knowledge or information whether the Vice President is involved in the day-to-day operations of any of the corporations. Sixteen, if I remember correctly. 535 01:02:46,050 --> 01:02:48,890 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po akong, wala po kaming ganung informasyon. 536 01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:58,750 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you also have no information or personal knowledge whether the Vice President actively, is actively involved in the management or decision-making of any of these sixteen corporations. 537 01:03:00,450 --> 01:03:01,810 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And the 538 01:03:01,810 --> 01:03:19,130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: SEC has no personal knowledge or information based on its records that the Vice President had any participation in the review submission of any of the general information sheets including those submitted by Metro City Child Foods Corporation. 539 01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:21,550 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And 540 01:03:21,550 --> 01:03:32,420 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: the SEC also has no personal knowledge or information whether the Vice President is even aware of the filing of these General Information Sheets by the Corporations. Correct? 541 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:39,040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Maari po. Hindi po niya alam. Ba't hindi po siyang meron pong nag-file para sa kumpanya. 542 01:03:39,200 --> 01:04:20,070 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat po, Atty. Del Rosario. Puntahan naman po natin yung mga audited financial statements. Kahapon, sa mga summary at mga dokumentong pinakita ng proseksyon sa inyo, pinakita po kayo ng mga AFS of these corporations to name a few. City Hall, King Chow Foods Corporation, Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. Gencorp Industry Inc. Do you recall that? Yung mga usually nasa likuran sila sa summary nyo. Apo. Now, during your direct examination, you were made to enumerate ang mga sales of these corporations as opposed to their net income, retained earnings, deficit, and sa last portion ng column, dividends declare. Tama po ba? 543 01:04:20,310 --> 01:04:20,870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 544 01:04:21,310 --> 01:04:40,590 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Now, let's clarify. In relation to the annual audited financial statements of the corporation, You confirm, sir, that the SEC only reviews submissions of these AFSS for purposes of corporate compliance, completeness, and reporting rules. Tama po ba? 545 01:04:40,590 --> 01:04:41,160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 546 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:53,270 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: But you confirm, sir, that it is actually the Bureau of Internal Revenue that cross-checks those audited financial statements as against reported tax returns or books of accounts of a corporation. Tama po ba? 547 01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:54,815 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Sa pag-ubahit ng bubis sila. 548 01:04:54,815 --> 01:05:05,620 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So you cannot determine whether you are not competent to testify today whether there are irregularities or misrepresentations in any of the audited financial statements. You can only confirm whether they are filed. 549 01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:11,510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung ano po ang naka-file sa amin, yun lang po ang pinaniwalaan at 550 01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:29,840 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: sinabit dito. In fact, you are not aware as a representative of the SEC whether these audited financial statements you identified today and yesterday by these corporations were even flagged by the Bureau of Internal Revenue in relation to any tax regulation compliance. Tama? Wala 551 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po kaming information on that. 552 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:39,400 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Further, you confirm, sir, that these audited financial statements are financial statements, again, of the corporation and not by the stockholders. Tama? 553 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:40,920 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Para po sa korporasyon. 554 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,220 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Audited financial statement siya ng korporasyon, hindi ng direktor. Tama? 555 01:05:45,220 --> 01:05:46,260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 556 01:05:46,260 --> 01:05:52,180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Audited financial statement siya ng korporasyon at hindi ng mga opisyalis na nakadeklara sa GIS. Tama? 557 01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:52,640 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Objection, 558 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:58,040 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Your Honor. Ask and answered. It's just merely enumerating people. It's the 559 01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:09,580 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: same line of questioning. Your Honor, that would be presumptuous from the prosecution. I'm trying to confirm this from the witness. I am an examination. It's not the same question, counsel. Thank you, Your 560 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:10,260 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Honor. 561 01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:11,040 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may 562 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:11,740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: answer. 563 01:06:11,740 --> 01:06:12,440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Tama po. 564 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:20,470 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And again, this follows the principle that a corporation has a separate and distinct personality from its stockholders, correct? 565 01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:21,430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 566 01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:22,800 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: From its directors, correct? 567 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:23,550 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 568 01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:25,310 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: From its officers. Correct? 569 01:06:25,310 --> 01:06:26,860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 570 01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:36,360 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Thus, any sale, revenue, or loss indicated in these audited financial statements belong to the corporation, not its stockholders. 571 01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:37,600 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Asked and answered. 572 01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:46,250 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: That was different, Your Honor. My prior question was where the AFS come from. I'm referring particularly in the contents of the AFS this time. 573 01:06:46,550 --> 01:06:47,590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's okay. Witness may answer. 574 01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:49,680 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Para po sa 575 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:50,380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: kumpanya ito. 576 01:06:50,980 --> 01:07:00,540 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: So... You also confirmed that the income reflected in this audited financial statement hindi po ito sa vicepresidente pero sa korporasyon na nag-report. Tama? 577 01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:02,100 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Sa kumpanya. 578 01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:09,760 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you cannot confirm whether based on that net income reported may natanggap ang vicepresidente dyan. Tama po ba? 579 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:10,530 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 580 01:07:10,530 --> 01:07:21,440 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And similarly, any net losses reflected in an audited financial statement belongs to the corporation and not the stockholder, for example, the vicepresident. Correct? 581 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:21,980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 582 01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:37,700 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirmed that you cannot see whether those net losses as reflected in an audited financial statement is conclusive evidence that the Vice President or any stockholder for that matter incurred losses in relation to his stockholdings or investments. Correct? 583 01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:39,240 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Para po sa korporasyon nito. 584 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:48,330 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And you confirmed that the SEC has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President participated in the preparation of all the audited financial statements you identified. 585 01:07:48,330 --> 01:07:48,690 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Asked 586 01:07:48,690 --> 01:07:49,475 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: and answered. 587 01:07:49,475 --> 01:07:50,960 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Participation, Your Honor, in 588 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:51,710 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: the preparation. 589 01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:53,520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may 590 01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: answer. Wala po kaming ganung informasyon. 591 01:07:56,630 --> 01:08:06,370 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: The SEC also has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President or Manassas R. Carpio participated in the approval of these annual financial statements by the Board of Directors. 592 01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:08,670 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming ganung informasyon. 593 01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:19,290 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: The SEC also has no personal knowledge or information whether the Vice President or Manassas R. Carpio were present in the stockholders when these audited financial statements were presented to the stockholders. 594 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala rin po kaming gano'ng informasyon. 595 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:29,520 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: And also, the SEC has no personal knowledge whether the Vice President or Manassas R. Carpio are aware of the filing of these audited financial statements. 596 01:08:29,780 --> 01:08:31,200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala rin po kaming gano'ng informasyon. 597 01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:35,050 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: No further questions, Your Honor. Any redirect, 598 01:08:35,330 --> 01:08:36,520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Erwin? 599 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,525 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Redirect, yes, Your Honor. 600 01:08:38,525 --> 01:08:39,840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may proceed, 601 01:08:39,940 --> 01:08:40,580 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Sir, when you're ready. 602 01:08:43,680 --> 01:09:01,110 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Atty. Del Rosario, kanina nabanggit na naman po, nabalik sa diskusyon, itong GenCorp Industries, Inc. Nabanggit ho na hindi malinaw kung anong interest ni VP Sara sa kumpanyang ito. Ito po ba ay dahil confidential yung information? 603 01:09:03,140 --> 01:09:04,460 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Objection, Your Honor. Misleading. 604 01:09:06,850 --> 01:09:10,700 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If he knows, Atty. 605 01:09:11,060 --> 01:09:12,540 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Del Rosario, if you know. 606 01:09:12,540 --> 01:09:17,790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, wala po kasing pangalan si... I-check ko lang po yung notes ko. 607 01:09:17,790 --> 01:09:19,380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly do so Atty. Del Rosario. 608 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:20,480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa 609 01:09:26,020 --> 01:09:41,000 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: GenCorp Industries, Inc., wala po kasing pangalan si VP Sara Duterte. from incorporation up to the filing of JIS. Yun po ang nakalagay sa aking summary. 610 01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:43,060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That's the witnesses' answer, Attorney Erwin. 611 01:09:43,060 --> 01:10:03,780 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank you, Your Honor. And then, pinakita po sa inyo kanina yung Section 62 tungkol sa pag-declare kung ano yung dapat isama ng isang government official about, I believe, May we ask the defense to flash the section again? 612 01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:05,270 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: We can, your honor. 613 01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:05,790 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank you. 614 01:10:06,490 --> 01:10:08,890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you for your accommodation, attorney Justin. 615 01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:11,450 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: May we just request the tech booth to flash it, your honor. 616 01:10:11,710 --> 01:10:16,150 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Can the tech please flash section 62 of the omnibus rules? 617 01:10:29,940 --> 01:10:31,120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: There you go, attorney Aaron. 618 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:38,090 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: There's a subparagraph that was flashed earlier. I think it's a nice line if I could 619 01:10:38,090 --> 01:10:38,890 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: help the prosecution. 620 01:10:39,150 --> 01:10:42,510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: On conflict of interest, attorney Aaron? 621 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,280 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: They showed this and another one. Yes, 622 01:10:48,060 --> 01:11:04,650 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: this is the correct slide. So, nakalagay po dyan na obligasyon ng government official na ilagay kung ano yung nature ng kanyang business interest o financial connection sa kumpanya. Tama po ba? 623 01:11:04,730 --> 01:11:17,240 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Objection. Misleading, Your Honor. That doesn't appear in the provision. There is no requirement to declare the nature of the business, Your Honor. That's the definition of what a nature of business interest or financial connection is. It 624 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:22,990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: merely defines, counsel. Go to your question. I think I know where you're getting at, Atty. Rin. 625 01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:43,200 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So tama po ba na ang nature ng business interest or financial connection ay as stated here, kung ano man pong iba pang ginawa niya. So hindi lang yung pagiging shareholder. Ang kasama sa nature of business interest or financial connection, tama po ba? 626 01:11:44,180 --> 01:11:49,860 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: May we ask that the prosecutor specifically refer to the particular portion of the provision being asked? 627 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:59,640 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Based on, allow the chair, based on this provision, Atty. Del Rosario, can you answer the question of Atty. Erwin? 628 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:09,800 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Gusto niyo po palakihan natin? Sige po. Kindly zoom it in. May we request the tech to zoom it in, please? 629 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:16,800 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Aling... 630 01:12:25,410 --> 01:12:39,140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ang katanungan po yata ay, base po sa probisyong ito, ang depenisyon ng interes ay hindi lamang bilang shareholder. Posibleng may ibang kapasidad pa na nakabilang sa nakalista po dito. 631 01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:47,480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Whether as proprietor, investor, promoter, partner, shareholder po. Okay. 632 01:12:47,620 --> 01:12:48,440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Erwin? 633 01:12:50,210 --> 01:13:03,260 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, napakarami po na maaaring maging nature kung ano man yung business interest. ng isang tao in connection with the corporation. Tama po ba yan? Tama po. 634 01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:14,770 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So kung sakaling nakalagay po kasi dito, creditor, so kung nagpa-utang yung government official, kailangan niyang i-deklara. 635 01:13:16,420 --> 01:13:19,980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo, kung pag-aari po niya, pera niya yan. 636 01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,100 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So part 2 siya ng business interest. And pati nga po kung siya ay 637 01:13:26,900 --> 01:13:31,020 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Nagsusupply ng services katulad ng business consultancy or 638 01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:42,870 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: kung abogado siya at nagsusupply siya ng legal services sa kumpanya. Ayon dito sa Section 62. Ayon po dito. Okay, salamat. 639 01:13:49,890 --> 01:14:05,880 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ngayon, balikan natin yung mga filing sa SEC na nabanggit kanina. Unahin po natin yung mga general information sheets. Napansin ko ho kasi na yung mga exhibits, yung mga general information sheets ay notaryado. 640 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:13,190 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Tama po. Ano ho bang ibig sabihin kung yung isang dokumento ay notaryado? 641 01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:24,980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ibig sabihin lang po noon na pinununumpaan niya ang bawat informasyon na nakalagay doon sa ayon sa kanyang paniniwala at nalalaman. 642 01:14:26,540 --> 01:14:32,980 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: At in other words, kailangan totoo yung dapat nasa GIS. Tama po ba yan? 643 01:14:33,290 --> 01:14:33,730 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Dapat po. 644 01:14:34,290 --> 01:14:40,670 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ano ang consequence kung hindi man naging totoo yung mga nakalagay sa general information sheet? 645 01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:56,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Una po, may provision sa amin sa RCC na yung lawfully submitting erroneous documents, reports, violation po yan. At pangalawa, yung perjury kung ikaw ay nagsisinungaling at alam mo namang mali. 646 01:14:56,810 --> 01:15:02,180 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, mabigat po pala yung kaparusahan kung hindi pala totoo yung mga nakalagay sa general information sheet. 647 01:15:02,180 --> 01:15:02,870 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Objection, Your Honor. 648 01:15:02,930 --> 01:15:09,010 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Apologies. Again, with all due respect to the good counsel for the prosecutor, his once again interjected conclusions. 649 01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:09,650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Move on, move 650 01:15:09,650 --> 01:15:09,730 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: on, 651 01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:10,070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel. 652 01:15:10,850 --> 01:15:17,330 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, itong general information sheet, nabanggit niyo na ito ay, sino pong pumipirma sa GIS? 653 01:15:17,330 --> 01:15:20,090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang corporate secretary po. 654 01:15:20,090 --> 01:15:25,115 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ang corporate secretary. At sino po ang nag-a-appoint ng corporate secretary? 655 01:15:25,115 --> 01:15:27,200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang board of directors po. 656 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,580 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ang board of directors. Tuwing kailan po ina-appoint ang corporate secretary? 657 01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:33,880 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: During the annual meeting po. 658 01:15:35,710 --> 01:15:40,450 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Anytime po ba pwedeng palitan ang corporate secretary ng board? Sinsila naman nag-a-appoint? 659 01:15:40,450 --> 01:15:44,200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Pag po gusto ng board, maaari po nilang gawin yan. Pwedeng palitan. 660 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,590 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ano po yung mga instances na pwedeng mapalitan yung corporate secretary? 661 01:15:48,250 --> 01:16:01,800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Siguro po isang loss of confidence. Ayaw nila yung the way mag-report. Yung compliance ng kumpanya, hindi ninyo nasasubmit. Yan po yung mga ibang paraan kung bakit papalitan siya. 662 01:16:03,260 --> 01:16:07,440 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Tignan nga po natin yung mga general information sheets ng Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. 663 01:16:13,690 --> 01:16:14,110 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: For 664 01:16:14,110 --> 01:16:18,930 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: the record, we are showing to the witness copies of the GIS of Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. 665 01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:23,910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Standing authority for assisting counsels, the approach has been given by the presiding officer. 666 01:16:25,630 --> 01:16:28,690 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pakisabi po kung sino ang corporate secretary ng kumpanyang yan. 667 01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:33,170 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Base sa unang GIS. 668 01:16:35,150 --> 01:16:41,350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa JS po ng Metro City Chow Food Corporation as of period covered is June 5, 2018. 669 01:16:45,730 --> 01:16:50,330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang nakapangalan bilang corporate secretary po ay Gurley S. Delacruz. 670 01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:53,550 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Gurley S. Delacruz. 671 01:16:56,190 --> 01:16:58,390 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pakicheck nga po yung 672 01:17:00,050 --> 01:17:05,630 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: mga sumusunod na general information sheets kung siya pa rin po ba yung nakalagay dyan ng corporate secretary. 673 01:17:06,380 --> 01:17:11,510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa May 6, 2019, Metro City Chow Food Corporation, GIS. 674 01:17:12,010 --> 01:17:12,770 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa 675 01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:22,070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: page 11, meron pong Gurley S. Delacruz, Corporate Secretary of Metro City Chow Food Corporation. 676 01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:34,660 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pakitignan na lang po lahat. Lahatan na. Pakicheck po kung siya ba sa lahat ng mga general information sheets para sa mga taong 2018 hanggang 2025. 677 01:18:18,830 --> 01:18:23,410 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Lahat po ng GIS ay nasa pinirmahan ni Gurley Delacruz. 678 01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:30,310 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Napalitan po ba siya bilang corporate secretary para sa mga taong iyan, para sa kumpanyang Metro City Chow Foods? 679 01:18:31,550 --> 01:18:35,390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ayon po sa dokumento, wala pong pagbabago. Maaring hindi po siya napalitan. Hindi 680 01:18:35,390 --> 01:18:43,510 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: siya napalitan. In fact, tama ba na actually si Gurley de la Cruz ay corporate secretary din ng iba pang mga kumpanya? 681 01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:48,740 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Siguro po, i-check ko lang po yung records kung... 682 01:18:49,380 --> 01:18:56,120 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: I think meron po tayong, or hindi man na corporate secretary, pero siya ay... 683 01:18:59,190 --> 01:19:08,190 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Incorporator or stockholder din, based sa nagawa ninyong summary on the table pertaining to incorporators, 684 01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,420 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: stockholders. 685 01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:18,550 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Meron po kayong summary na by name. 686 01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:37,090 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pahanap po yung pangalan ni Gurley S. De La Cruz sa inyong incorporators declared in the EOI by incorporator and I think this is on page 7, 687 01:19:44,210 --> 01:19:45,510 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: 2026. 688 01:19:49,100 --> 01:20:00,940 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ando na po ba kayo? Sa page 7 of 2026, sa pangalan ng Gurley S. De La Cruz. So based po dyan, incorporator po siya para sa mga aling kumpanya. 689 01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:18,830 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ayon po dito, si Gurley S. De La Cruz ay incorporator ng Davao New Royal Taipan Foods Corporation, GenCorp Industries, JTC Group of Companies Philippines, Metro City Chow Food Corporation, 690 01:20:21,340 --> 01:20:22,360 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: B-Food Corporation. 691 01:20:23,460 --> 01:20:27,960 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Okay. So, Incorporator din po siya sa limang kumpanyang nabanggit niyo. 692 01:20:38,210 --> 01:20:47,810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: To clarify, ito yung Andrew Lozario, limang kumpanya lang po? MetroCity Chow, GenCorp, Times Square, B-Foods, Davao New Royal, and JTC? 693 01:20:48,910 --> 01:20:56,330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Davao New Royal, GenCorp, JTC Group of Companies, MetroCity Chow, at Times Square B. 694 01:20:56,510 --> 01:20:58,560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Doon lang po siya shareholder? 695 01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:59,840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Incorporator po. 696 01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Incorporator. Incorporator lang po. 697 01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:11,060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Proceed, counsel. 698 01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:28,540 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Yes, your honor. Ngayon, pinag-usapan din ang articles of incorporation. Ah, sorry, ang audited financial statements. Kanina, no, na-bring up po. Ano po ba ang ibig sabihin kung ang financial statements ay audited? 699 01:21:30,350 --> 01:21:31,730 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Asking for opinion, your honor. 700 01:21:33,130 --> 01:21:38,290 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If he knows, counsel, he receives the submissions. He should know what it means. 701 01:21:39,500 --> 01:21:53,880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ang audited financial statement po ay yung structured data about financial condition ng isang korporasyon kung saan na ito ay sinuri pa ng isang external auditor. Malaman kung ang mga accounting standards ay nasunod. 702 01:21:55,260 --> 01:21:59,660 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Kanina po galing yung financial information na nakalagay sa audited FS? 703 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:00,700 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nanggaling 704 01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:04,040 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: po sa kumpanya. And then, ano po ang gagawin ng external auditor? 705 01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:10,790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ibabalidate po niya kung ang mga information is in accordance with the Proscribed accounting standards. 706 01:22:12,910 --> 01:22:20,930 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Punta nga tayo sa isang example ng audited financial statements. 707 01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:58,340 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Particularly, Your Honor, we would like to show Exhibit P-R2-2-6-2-H which is the audited financial statements for the year 2024. 708 01:23:07,150 --> 01:23:09,390 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: For Metro City Chow Foods Corporation. 709 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:38,920 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hawak ko na po. 710 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:45,040 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Hawak niyo na. Ngayon, puntahan niyo yung page 4 ng audited financial statements. 711 01:23:58,670 --> 01:24:00,990 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Okay, ando na po ba kayo sa page 4? 712 01:24:02,540 --> 01:24:07,340 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Nando na po. Ano yung title ng document na lumalabas dyan sa page 4? 713 01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:13,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ito po yung Statement of Management Responsibility for Financial Statements. 714 01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:17,910 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pwede ba natin basahin yung first paragraph ng statement na yan? 715 01:24:21,230 --> 01:24:46,610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po dito sa SMR ng Metro City Chow Food Corporation, the management of Metro City Chow Food Corporation is responsible for the preparation and fair presentation of the financial statement for the years ended December 31, 2024 and 2023 in accordance with the prescribed financial reporting framework indicated therein. 716 01:24:47,230 --> 01:24:47,610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: And 717 01:24:47,610 --> 01:24:58,330 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: for such internal control, as punishment determined is necessary to enable the preparation of financial statement that are free from material statement whether due to fraud or error. 718 01:25:00,170 --> 01:25:08,740 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Sige po. Punta po tayo sa pangatlo na paragraph. Ano pong sinasabi sa linyang yan? 719 01:25:09,340 --> 01:25:15,000 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: The board of directors is responsible for overseeing the company's financial reporting process. 720 01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,400 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: How about yung susunod po na linya? Pakibasa po. 721 01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:27,100 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: The Board of Directors review and approve the financial statements and submit the same to the stockholders. To the what po? 722 01:25:28,020 --> 01:25:29,880 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Stockholders po. Stockholders. 723 01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:36,110 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Napansin ko po na notaryado itong Statement of Management Responsibility. 724 01:25:37,790 --> 01:25:38,730 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Tama po ba? 725 01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:39,970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Oo, may notary po. 726 01:25:40,110 --> 01:25:43,590 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, sworn statement din po ito kung ganun? 727 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:46,380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Oo po, 728 01:25:46,380 --> 01:25:47,320 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: yun po ang nakalagay. 729 01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:52,280 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So, ano po ba itong Statement of Management Responsibility? At bakit po ito kailangan? 730 01:25:53,190 --> 01:26:18,430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Isa po ito sa mga, well, requirement para tanggapin namin ang financial statement ng isang kumpanya. Kasama nga narin po rito yung unang binanggit kahapon about the stamp, the receiving ng BAR. Ito po yung pangalawa na tinitingnan namin na dapat maging parte ng financial statement. Ang nagsasabi na ang accountability dito ay ang board of trustees o directors. 731 01:26:19,130 --> 01:26:21,150 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ano po ulit? Ang accountability ay? 732 01:26:21,980 --> 01:26:23,320 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang board of directors po. 733 01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:24,640 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: So sila po ang accountable? 734 01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:27,440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Base rin po sa nakasulat dito. 735 01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:34,690 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ngayon, puntahan natin yung notes dyan sa financial statements na iyan. 736 01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:47,030 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Punta tayo sa page 13. 737 01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:07,250 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Page 13, nandun po ba kayo? Note 1, corporate information? 738 01:27:09,180 --> 01:27:09,620 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 739 01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:18,480 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Pwede ba nating basahin yung second paragraph ng note 1 na iyan? 740 01:27:22,890 --> 01:27:39,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po sa second paragraph nito, the accompanying financial statements of the company as at and for the day, years 2024 and 2023 were approved and authorized by its Board of Directors on March 31, 2025. 741 01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:43,540 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Ano po 742 01:27:43,540 --> 01:27:44,140 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: ang ibig sabihin 743 01:27:44,140 --> 01:27:56,090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: na yan? Ibig sabihin lang po nito ay yung financial statement nito ay inaproobahan at inauthorized ng Board of Directors sa Petyang March 31, 2025. 744 01:27:57,780 --> 01:27:58,420 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank 745 01:27:59,310 --> 01:28:07,270 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: you. At ano ko ang interest ulit o role ni VP Sara sa Metro City Chow Foods Corporation? 746 01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:16,660 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Objection, Your Honor. Hasn't answered. And already answered that he has no personal knowledge. 747 01:28:17,940 --> 01:28:21,620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No, on Metro Chow. Based on the documents submitted. Yes, sir. 748 01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:24,470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may answer? 749 01:28:24,730 --> 01:28:42,300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po sa general information sheet ng Metro City Chow Foods Corporation from 2018 to 2025 nag-a-appear po na si VP Sara Duterte po ay member of the Board of Directors at stockholder ng nasabing kumpanya. 750 01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:46,340 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Thank you. 751 01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:55,900 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: At based po sa Section 22 ng Revised Corporation Code, ano pa ang sinasabi ng section na ito tungkol sa Board of Directors? 752 01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,140 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ang Board of Directors po ang 753 01:29:02,980 --> 01:29:05,680 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Siya po ang section 754 01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:11,450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: 22 po is about 755 01:29:11,450 --> 01:29:20,470 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Maaari ko ba kayong bigyan ng kopya ng revised corporation code section 2020 ah para mabasa niyo ang section 22. 756 01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:24,970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: To exercise corporate powers yung post siguro yan. 757 01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:35,050 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: First paragraph lang ako. 758 01:29:38,620 --> 01:29:46,180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: For the record, assisting counsel is showing Attorney Del Rosario a copy of the revised corporation code RCC for brevity. 759 01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:59,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Section 22 of RCC, the Board of Directors or Trustee of the Corporation, Qualification. 760 01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:11,980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: So 761 01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,000 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: anong ibig sabihin niyang nabasa ninyo? 762 01:30:27,940 --> 01:30:28,820 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: So 763 01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:39,660 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: may 764 01:30:39,660 --> 01:30:43,020 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: control ang board sa properties na mapuba? 765 01:30:43,310 --> 01:30:44,190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 766 01:30:53,630 --> 01:31:03,950 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Meron po ba kayong natanggap? Tinatanong po kanina na itong mga GIS or AFS ay mga filings galing sa corporations. Tama po ba? 767 01:31:04,370 --> 01:31:04,990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 768 01:31:05,790 --> 01:31:16,390 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Nakatanggap po ba kayo ever ng any information mula sa mga kumpanya based sa mga sinertify nyo na documents na may mali o may dapat baguhin sa mga nakadeklara doon? 769 01:31:19,690 --> 01:31:30,620 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: With respect po sa request for Correction. Wala po. Pero meron pong amendments. Hindi ko lang po alam kung dahil sa pagkakamali o meron lang po silang i-update. 770 01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:34,540 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Okay. So that would be all for Redirect, Your Honor. 771 01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,260 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Henry Cross, Maturin Justin. 772 01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Sorry, Your Honor. Just a few questions. 773 01:31:43,130 --> 01:31:55,950 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: First, kanina sa Redirect examination, kinumpirman niyo na ang audited financial statement ay aprobado ng Board of Directors. Tama po ba? Ayon po sa nakasulat sa financial statement 774 01:31:55,950 --> 01:31:56,590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ng kumpanya. 775 01:31:56,790 --> 01:32:01,650 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Pero hindi din naman kayo aware whether nag-participate yung vice-presidente sa pag-aproba nito? 776 01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:09,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, on personal knowledge, kung merong nangyaring ganito, hindi po namin alam but we just rely on what is written in the document. 777 01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:17,180 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: In fact, quorum lang naman po yung required para ma-approve yung audited financial statement. Hindi kailangan lahat ng director. Tama po ba? Depende 778 01:32:17,180 --> 01:32:25,040 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po sa provision nila sa articles. Kung kinakailangan ng higher quorum, then they should respect the higher quorum. Correct. Pero kung basic na basic, it should be majority. 779 01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:33,920 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Maraming salamat. Naupuntahan po natin yung eleksyon ng corporate secretary. Ito po ay ginagawa sa ating organizational meeting. Tama po ba? 780 01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:34,800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 781 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:40,380 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At hindi nyo rin po alam whether nag-participate yung vice-presidente sa organizational meeting. 782 01:32:40,380 --> 01:32:41,190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 783 01:32:41,190 --> 01:32:49,070 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: At pwede naman po na hindi lahat ng mga stockholder or board of directors mag-participate sa mga annual meetings. Tama po ba? 784 01:32:49,070 --> 01:32:49,705 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 785 01:32:49,705 --> 01:32:53,100 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Last question, kilala niyo ba si Gurley de la Cruz personally? 786 01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:54,190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po. 787 01:32:54,190 --> 01:32:54,950 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: No further questions. 788 01:32:57,710 --> 01:33:15,630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We now proceed to the interjections of Senator Judges. Hopefully, we can finish with the Attorney de la Rosaria before lunch and move on to the next witness, Mr. Supena, when we resume after lunch. The first to register is Senator Judge Erwin Tulfo. 789 01:33:19,580 --> 01:33:21,620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready. 790 01:33:24,270 --> 01:33:37,980 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Ito po sa ating testigo. Mr. Witness, itong JTC Group of Companies, ito po ba yung ibig sabihin po ng JTC's Jaime Tan Cruz? 791 01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:47,560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala pong disclosure sa Articles of Incorporation under the corporate name na JTC stands for Jaime T. Cruz. 792 01:33:47,820 --> 01:33:48,260 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Okay. 793 01:33:50,160 --> 01:34:03,160 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: May mga nakikita po ba kayo sa inyong dokumento po sa SEC? na either Incorporator or Board of Director si Jaime Tan Cruz sa City Hall King Chow Foods Corporation. 794 01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:06,800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Silipin ko lang po sandali yung aking notes. 795 01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:07,320 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Sige po. 796 01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:34,220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. 797 01:34:34,220 --> 01:34:42,080 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Alright. Sa Metro City Chow Foods Corporation, lumalabas diba ang pangalan ng Jaime Tan Cruz? 798 01:34:43,210 --> 01:34:49,990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Lumalabas po yung pangalan ni Jaime T. Cruz sa Metro City Chow Food Corporation based po sa Articles of Incorporation. Sa 799 01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:56,170 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Great Jolly Times Food Corporation, nandyan din ba ang pangalan ni Jaime Tan Cruz? 800 01:34:56,170 --> 01:34:57,480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nandyan din po. 801 01:34:57,480 --> 01:35:03,910 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Sa Dabao New Royal Taipan Foods Corporation, nandyan din ba ang pangalan ni Jaime Tan Cruz? 802 01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:05,115 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nandyan po. 803 01:35:05,115 --> 01:35:10,740 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Sa Dabao Emerging Taipans Corporation, nandyan din ba ang pangalan niya? 804 01:35:10,740 --> 01:35:12,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nandyan din po. 805 01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:19,080 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Sa Davao Bounty Times Food Corporation, nag-a-appear din ba ang pangalan niya dyan? 806 01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:20,820 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nandun din po ang pangalan niya. 807 01:35:20,820 --> 01:35:30,020 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Okay. Dito sa JCT Group of Companies, lumalabas ba na Jaime Tan Cruz ang chairman po nito? 808 01:35:37,340 --> 01:35:44,180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Assisting counsel, kindly assist Atty. Del Rosario, JTC. 809 01:35:52,690 --> 01:36:13,380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Just to remind Senator-Judge Irwin, the reason why the witness is having a difficult time is because both JTC and Pikimon Corporations were not subpoenaed by the court because the name of the Vice President does not appear. 810 01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:14,520 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Yes, sir. 811 01:36:14,860 --> 01:36:18,560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: as one of the shareholders in the GIS of that corporation. And 812 01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:19,080 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: as you correctly 813 01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:22,220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: pointed out, JTC might mean that person that you're mentioning. 814 01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:31,080 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Okay, well, anyway, I'll move on, Mr. Presiding Officer. Then, let me ask our prosecutor. 815 01:36:34,510 --> 01:36:39,950 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Maybe he can answer this or any of the members of the prosecution team. 816 01:36:43,320 --> 01:37:09,820 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Prosecutor, Ito po bang si Jaime Tan Cruz? Is this the same person? Basi po sa inyong pag-iimbestiga po dito po sa House Prosecution. Ito po bang Jaime Tan Cruz na ito is the same person na na-appoint mo po na dating Pangulong Duterte as a special envoy to China for trade and investment? 817 01:37:10,440 --> 01:37:14,000 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Yes, Your Honor. The same name, Your Honor. Same person. Is 818 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:22,900 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: he the same person na inoferan po ng dating Pangulong Duterte na maging chairman po ng PhilHealth pero tinanggihan niya po? 819 01:37:23,340 --> 01:37:24,240 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Yes, Your Honor. 820 01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:35,520 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: If I'm not mistaken, tama po ba October 2019 po nung siya po ay na-appoint bilang Special Envoy to China for Trade and Investment? 821 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,420 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: I'm not sure about the date but he was appointed, Your Honor. 822 01:37:39,740 --> 01:37:52,460 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: And then after that, tinanggihan niya na po after he stinted as an envoy, inoperan po siya bilang chairman po ng PhilHealth pero he denied or he did not accept. 823 01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,020 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: I believe so, Your Honor. 824 01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:57,190 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: So this is one and the same person, is that correct? 825 01:37:57,190 --> 01:37:57,870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes, Your Honor. 826 01:37:57,870 --> 01:38:01,000 Sen. Erwin Tulfo: I have no further questions, Mr. Presiding Officer. 827 01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:06,560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator-Judge Rafi Tulfo is recognized for his interjection. 828 01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:13,010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may proceed when you're ready, sir. You have two minutes. 829 01:38:16,910 --> 01:38:22,315 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Mr. Witness, are you familiar with the Securities Regulation Code RA 8799? 830 01:38:22,315 --> 01:38:24,030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 831 01:38:24,030 --> 01:38:30,640 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Under the Securities Regulation Code, anong definition ng securities doon? 832 01:38:31,780 --> 01:38:53,810 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Napakalawak po ng definition ng securities. Kabilang na rin po dyan yung securities po tulad po ng shares of stock o anumang intangible na pwedeng ibigay as investment. Isang produkto ng investment. Maaring investment contract na forms under the ambit of securities po. 833 01:38:57,110 --> 01:38:59,290 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Tama po. Securities po yan. 834 01:39:03,210 --> 01:39:04,210 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Tama po. 835 01:39:17,580 --> 01:39:36,870 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: So, ayon sa Article 7, Section 13, bawal sa isang government official tulad ng VP o presidente na magkaroon ng participation in any company. Ayon po sa nakasaad sa ating Constitution. That's violation of the Constitution, right? Opo. Thank you. That's all. 836 01:39:37,660 --> 01:39:40,980 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Tulfo. The Senate President is recognized. 837 01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:43,910 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: You 838 01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:45,250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready. 839 01:39:45,450 --> 01:39:50,290 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Presiding Officer. Good morning, Atty. Delosario. 840 01:39:50,290 --> 01:39:50,900 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Good morning. 841 01:39:50,900 --> 01:39:53,810 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Good morning sa aking kababayan na taga-Valenzuela. 842 01:39:54,430 --> 01:39:55,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magandang umaga po. 843 01:39:57,430 --> 01:40:03,830 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Atty., tinitignan ko pa itong summary na pinadala ninyo or ang ginawa ninyo. 844 01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:17,860 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Tama po ba na sa lahat po ng mga corporations na may kaugnayan kay Vice President Sara at kay Manassas Carpio, wala pong ni isa nag-declare ng dividends? 845 01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,580 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Wala pong informasyon kung nag-deklara sila ng dividendo. 846 01:40:22,820 --> 01:40:34,120 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Okay. So, ibig sabihin kung merong, kung babangga po namin ito sa SAL-N, hindi po pwedeng manggaling sa mga corporations niya yung paglaki ng kanyang net worth. 847 01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:43,400 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Tama po ba? Dahil kung by process of elimination, titignan natin yung mga corporations, pwede na nating i-rule out yung corporations. 848 01:40:44,350 --> 01:40:52,770 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung ayon po rito at wala po siyang natanggap na beneficiary yung dividendo, hindi ko po alam kung mayroon po siyang may dideklarang kinita out of this company. 849 01:40:53,110 --> 01:40:58,510 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Correct. Pwede sa ibang source. Hindi lang dito sa corporations. 850 01:40:58,510 --> 01:40:59,660 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 851 01:40:59,660 --> 01:41:02,570 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Tapos tinitignan ko rin po yung mga corporations. 852 01:41:04,810 --> 01:41:11,290 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Maliban sa GenCorp, Davao Emerging Taipans, SGT Fortune Horse, 853 01:41:13,950 --> 01:41:16,670 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Mati Ice Plant. Halos lahat po ay lugi. 854 01:41:18,340 --> 01:41:26,940 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Tama po. Itong kaso lang, ito si GenCorp, hindi naman po shareholder on record si Vice President Sara. 855 01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:28,400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po sa GenCorp. 856 01:41:28,660 --> 01:41:50,990 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: So yung may connection lang kay Atty. Manases at kay Vice President Sara ay Mati Ice Plant, Davao Merging Taipan, sa SGT. Ito lang yung kumita. The rest, tinitignan ko dito sa summary, lugi po siya. Tama po. And therefore, hindi ho makakadeclare ng dividends dahil lugi nga eh. 857 01:41:51,630 --> 01:41:56,630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pong mga deficit ang retained earnings po, hindi po makakapag-declare ng dividendo. 858 01:41:56,630 --> 01:41:56,830 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Correct. 859 01:41:56,950 --> 01:41:59,450 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Kakain pa nga yan sa capital niya. Tama 860 01:41:59,450 --> 01:41:59,630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. 861 01:42:00,970 --> 01:42:10,990 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Yung mga corporations na hindi ho nagde-declare, ito, I'll jump to another topic. Yung mga corporations na hindi ho nagpa-file ng GIS, 862 01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:23,780 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: EFS, yung audited financial statements. Hindi niyo ba pinapenalize yan sa inyong departamento dahil importanteng mga source of information to? 863 01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:48,280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po ay isang trabaho ng aking departamento, i-monitor yung kailang compliance na kung saan kung ang korporasyon, stockman o non-stock ay hindi nakapagsubmitin ang nasabing report, pinapadala po namin sila ng notice to submit. At kung magpapatuloy na hindi sila magsubmit na report, maaari po namin i-revoke yung kanilang Certificate of Registration. 864 01:42:48,440 --> 01:43:04,780 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: May mga nakita ko ang corporations dito na matagal nang hindi na sasubmit. Meron ba kayong pinadang letter sa kanila para i-compel sila magsubmit? At kung meron, anong action? At kung wala, meron ba kayong mga penalties na i-impose dito sa mga corporations? 865 01:43:06,260 --> 01:43:14,060 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. In fact, may dala po ako rito yung monitoring sheet about their violations. 866 01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:32,960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kapag notified po ang JS, pati na rin po ang financial statement, meron po akong hawak dito. At yung iba naman po sa mga nasabing korporasyon ay na-rebalk na namin o dili kaya ay nagpa-dissolve na sila. o nag-shorten ang corporate term. 867 01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:37,280 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Meron 868 01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:37,380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po 869 01:43:37,380 --> 01:43:37,540 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: ako. 870 01:43:44,210 --> 01:43:46,390 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Yung kasama 871 01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:57,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po sa pangalan ng mga kumpanya ito ay itong CYKNT Davao Corporation. Narevoke po namin ito noong 2018 dahil hindi po nagsasubmit ng report. 872 01:43:59,790 --> 01:44:10,770 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ito pong SGT Fortune Horse Corporation. Nag-shorten na po ito ng corporate term. Ang buhay po nila hanggang July 29, 2017 na lang po. 873 01:44:12,350 --> 01:44:15,320 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: At mayroon pa pong isa. 874 01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:26,630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ito pong Three Kids Racking Services Incorporated na nag-shorten din po ng kanyang term until July 24, 2017. 875 01:44:27,230 --> 01:44:35,820 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: So ito mga ito ay by... Dahil po sa mandato ninyo, sila po ay na-revoke na yung kanilang incorporation. 876 01:44:36,060 --> 01:44:41,420 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung isa po, yung dalawa po, sila po mismo ang kusang nag-file ng application to shorten the corporate term. 877 01:44:41,580 --> 01:44:49,430 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: So, obviously, hindi rin ito pwede maging source ng income sa paglaki ng net worth ni VP Sara. 878 01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:50,280 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 879 01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:52,160 Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. 880 01:44:53,710 --> 01:45:06,510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator-Judge Hontiveros is recognized. You may proceed, ma'am, when you're ready. There is no one else except for me, though. A Senator-Judge Pangilinan din before Senator-Judge Hontiveros. 881 01:45:07,660 --> 01:45:08,180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You 882 01:45:08,180 --> 01:45:12,200 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: may proceed, sir, when you're ready. You have two minutes. Thereafter, Senator-Judge Hontiveros. 883 01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:14,060 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Thank you 884 01:45:14,060 --> 01:45:14,260 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: very much. 885 01:45:14,260 --> 01:45:14,580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let's try to 886 01:45:14,580 --> 01:45:16,630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: wrap up with this witness before lunch. 887 01:45:16,630 --> 01:45:18,860 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Magandang umaga, Attorney... 888 01:45:18,860 --> 01:45:20,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magandang umaga po. 889 01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:30,410 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: ...Del Rosario. Tama ba na doon sa GIS ng GenCorp ay ang kumpanyang JTC Group ay 890 01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:34,780 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Nasa list ng shareholders. 891 01:46:06,620 --> 01:46:18,620 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ayon po sa 2025 GIS ng GenCorp Industries Inc., si JTC Group of Companies po ay shareholders ng nasabing korporasyon. 892 01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:27,250 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: At ilang porsyento ng shares ang pag-aari ng JTC Group sa GenCorp? 893 01:46:27,850 --> 01:46:32,390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon po rito meron po siyang 54.99% ownership. 894 01:46:32,850 --> 01:46:39,350 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So majority ng GENCORP is owned by JTC? 895 01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:41,300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Ayon po dito. 896 01:46:41,300 --> 01:46:51,730 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. Hindi ba may requirement ng disclosure as to sino talaga ang may control ng GENCORP sa SEC? 897 01:46:52,460 --> 01:46:58,945 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yan po yung mga, yung pong informasyon na yan ay nakasaad sa ating, sa aming BO declaration form. 898 01:46:58,945 --> 01:47:00,630 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Ano yung BO? 899 01:47:00,630 --> 01:47:02,090 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Beneficial Ownership 900 01:47:02,090 --> 01:47:02,580 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Declaration. 901 01:47:02,580 --> 01:47:04,750 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So, required yan? 902 01:47:04,750 --> 01:47:05,900 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kailangan po. 903 01:47:05,900 --> 01:47:14,940 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So, would you have that document? Sino ang beneficial owner ng JTC Corporation? 904 01:47:15,790 --> 01:47:22,690 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Gaya po nang nasabi ko, sinusubite po yan sa SEC pero wala po sa aming pangangalaga sa aking departamento ang kopya na yan. 905 01:47:22,890 --> 01:47:36,840 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So, in other words, based on the documents, ang JTC Corporation ang majority stockholder ng GenCorp. 906 01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:38,445 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 907 01:47:38,445 --> 01:47:44,160 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Para lang sa ating mga kababayan, pag majority stockholder ka, 908 01:47:46,970 --> 01:47:54,815 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Ano ang mga kapangyarihan na meron ka bilang majority stockholder ng isang kumpanya? 909 01:47:54,815 --> 01:47:57,860 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po kayong guaranteed seat sa board. 910 01:48:00,380 --> 01:48:01,080 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Mataas 911 01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,420 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ang iyong dibidendo kung meron po mang dideklara. 912 01:48:15,490 --> 01:48:27,070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Gawa po ng malaking porsyento rin po yung board na maaari mong ilagay sa board directors. Malaking porsyento din po about control or decision 913 01:48:27,070 --> 01:48:28,200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ang magagawa mo. 914 01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:35,410 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So pwede mong tanggalin ang presidente with 54% of the votes of the shares at palitan? 915 01:48:35,410 --> 01:48:37,190 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung presidente po, opo. 916 01:48:37,190 --> 01:48:41,045 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Pwede rin palitan ang members of the board? 917 01:48:41,045 --> 01:48:43,350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron pong required votes na two-thirds. 918 01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:52,940 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Yes, tama. Two-thirds pagka Board of Directors. Pero yung Presidente, Treasurer, pwede ng majority. 919 01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:58,970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Ang Presidente, solong na hindi mo siya tatanggalin as member of the Board. 920 01:48:59,150 --> 01:49:12,370 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Yes. So in other words, JTC na ang beneficial owner or ang major shareholder ng GenCorp, pwede palitan. Yung presidente ng GENCO. 921 01:49:12,370 --> 01:49:13,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 922 01:49:13,490 --> 01:49:38,280 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. Hindi ba dapat, well, I will leave that to the presiding officer, but perhaps at this time, we should be able to subpoena the records, should we, after the presentation, of course, of both panels, the corporate documents and records of JTC. 923 01:49:40,150 --> 01:49:46,010 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: But I will address that or we will tackle that later on. 924 01:49:49,940 --> 01:50:00,400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The chair will take it under advisement and shall await action emanating from the panel of prosecutors, Senator-Judge Pangilinan. Thank you. And will act accordingly thereafter. 925 01:50:01,470 --> 01:50:03,170 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So kung 926 01:50:05,450 --> 01:50:11,320 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: ang JTC ay stockholder ng GenCorp, kailangan, 927 01:50:15,770 --> 01:50:31,920 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: yes, just to place it on record, we must Know who JTC, who the stockholders are of JTC because they ultimately control or at least through, I mean GenCorp. 928 01:50:33,870 --> 01:50:34,490 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. 929 01:50:36,580 --> 01:50:49,440 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Tama ba na sa GenCorp, stockholder ang City Hall, may mga officers at stockholders ng GenCorp na sila rin ay nasa City Hall Chow Foods Corporation? 930 01:50:51,300 --> 01:50:52,160 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Just to... 931 01:50:54,370 --> 01:50:57,150 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ayon 932 01:51:21,730 --> 01:51:29,350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po sa GS ng GenCorp, maging ang City Chow Food Corporation, meron po silang common stockholders. 933 01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:46,830 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Yes, so City Corp, City Hall, King Chow Foods at GenCorp. Just to wrap up, pati ang Metro City Chow Foods, iba pa yun, meron ding stockholder ang GenCorp sa Metro City 934 01:51:46,830 --> 01:51:49,550 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Chow Food. Sa Metro City po meron po. 935 01:51:49,770 --> 01:52:02,800 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: At meron din sa... Okay. So yung dalawang yun, no? City Hall at Metro ay mayroong shareholders, common shareholders and officers with GenCorp. 936 01:52:02,980 --> 01:52:06,520 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. City Hall, Metro and... City 937 01:52:06,650 --> 01:52:08,220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hall, Metro and GenCorp. 938 01:52:08,220 --> 01:52:13,340 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: And GenCorp is majority shareholder is JTC. 939 01:52:13,340 --> 01:52:14,400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 940 01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:17,990 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. No other questions at this first round, 941 01:52:18,030 --> 01:52:18,510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mr. President? 942 01:52:18,570 --> 01:52:19,310 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Thank you. Thank 943 01:52:19,310 --> 01:52:23,070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you, Senator-Judge Pangilinan. Senator-Judge Hontiveros. 944 01:52:31,490 --> 01:52:35,730 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Salamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer. Magandang umaga po muli, Atty. Del Rosario. 945 01:52:36,010 --> 01:52:36,910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magandang umaga po, ma'am. 946 01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:51,870 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Sir, ayon po sa mga records ng SEC, paano niyo po malalaman kung magkano ang binayad ni VP Duterte at o ng asawa niya para sa mga shares sa isang kumpanya? 947 01:52:53,560 --> 01:53:00,510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang information lamang po na Masasabi namin kung magkano ay kung ano ang nakatala sa kanyang Articles of Incorporation. 948 01:53:01,530 --> 01:53:05,930 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So malalaman po ng SEC yun kung sa Articles of Incorporation. 949 01:53:05,930 --> 01:53:13,430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung figure po na nakalagay as paid up capital, yun po yung alam kong parte ng kanyang binayad na investment. Under 950 01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:15,250 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: paid up capital. 951 01:53:15,810 --> 01:53:16,410 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 952 01:53:16,730 --> 01:53:16,990 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Okay. 953 01:53:18,750 --> 01:53:26,030 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Posible po ba na mas malaki ang binayad niya o nila kesa sa par value ng shares na yun? 954 01:53:27,450 --> 01:53:31,870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nangyayari naman po na merong additional paid-in capital. 955 01:53:32,490 --> 01:53:33,130 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Pero 956 01:53:33,130 --> 01:53:40,310 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: base po sa dokumentong ito, wala naman po nagpapakita na meron siyang APIC. Na merong? APIC, yung additional paid-in capital. 957 01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:46,090 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Okay. So, hindi nyo ito makikita kahit saan? 958 01:53:46,810 --> 01:54:02,450 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa disclosure po during incorporation, dapat po nakasaad na kung merong siyang premium o APIC. Dahil yan din po ang basehan kung magkano rin po yung dapat bayaran ng kumpanya sa pagpaparehisto ng korporasyon sa amin. 959 01:54:02,650 --> 01:54:10,550 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So kung hindi po nakalagay yung APIC o yung premium, hindi nyo po makikita? Opo. Okay po. 960 01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:31,680 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Kapag naman po may isang public official na siya mismo ang nagdeklara sa kanyang salin na meron siyang interest sa isang kumpanya, Pero yung pangalan niya ay hindi po nag-a-appear doon sa GIS bilang stockholder. 961 01:54:33,390 --> 01:54:40,890 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Hindi ba yun precisely isang bagay yun na dapat tignan o i-review, mag-take action ng SEC? 962 01:54:43,220 --> 01:54:51,120 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Unang-una po ma'am, wala po kaming access on the SAL-N. Therefore, hindi po namin alam kung yung mga kumpanyang in 963 01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:54,060 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: -list niya roon ay talagang kabilang siya. 964 01:54:56,080 --> 01:55:13,800 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So, paano po ba tinatrato itong ganitong sitwasyon ng inyong ahensya na wala yung pangalan ng isang opisyal bilang stockholder sa GIS pero na pag-aalaman ninyo na siya mismo inilagay yung pangalan niya sa SAL-N? 965 01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:52,970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kami magiging action dyan. Gawa po ng base sa record namin, hindi naman po talaga siya stockholder. Ngayon, kung meron po siyang allegation sa kanyang SAL-N na Stockholder siya dito pero wala siyang proof on the registration document sa amin. Siguro po, ibang ahensya po siguro dapat mag-investiga on that. Dahil ang mandato lang po namin ay improve ang capital market. In fact, ang mahalaga nga po sa amin ay yung corporate formations na kaya hinihikayat nga po namin sila na magtayo ng kumpanya sa Pilipinas. 966 01:55:54,230 --> 01:56:03,410 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Aling ibang ahensya ang dapat mag-imbestiga kung may ganitong sitwasyon na official mismo magsabi sa SAL-N niya kahit wala siya doon sa GIS? 967 01:56:04,250 --> 01:56:32,630 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Una po ang SAL-N ay sinusumiti po, ang alam ko, sa Ombudsman. Kaya para nga sa akin po, yung provision sa Constitution, sila rin po sigurang tumingin. Dahil yung provision na po ito, alam ko, hindi naman dapat ipatupad ng ahensya kundi sarili niya mismo alam niya dapat. kung ano yung restriction sa kanya. Ayon sa pagkakaunawa niya sa definisyon dun sa Section 7, Article 7, Section 13. 968 01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:42,050 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Kung inilagay sa SAL-N kahit wala siya sa GIS, maituturing ba yan na admission against interest? 969 01:56:46,380 --> 01:56:51,370 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Admission against interest. Sa akin po, interest nga po yun eh. 970 01:56:56,370 --> 01:57:17,720 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: And ano naman po yung ginagawa ng SEC para makita Kung may indirect ownership, beneficial ownership, nominee arrangement, intermediary o iba pang layer ng corporate ownership sa mga kumpanya na isinusumite sa inyo sa mga dokumento. 971 01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:29,600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Iyon nga pong beneficial ownership form. Yun po ang magsisilbing reporting sa amin upang malaman kung sino talaga yung ultimate ownership which should be na dapat ay natural person. 972 01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:31,910 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: At 973 01:57:31,910 --> 01:57:40,260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: maiwasan din po yung mga corporate layering at maipakita rin sino ba talaga ang may control nung nasabing shares of stock. 974 01:57:41,640 --> 01:58:00,900 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So dun lamang po sa beneficial ownership form, yun lamang po yung magagawa ninyo para makita kung sino talaga ang nagmamayari at sino talagang nakikinabang sa mga nakadeklara sa mga dokumentong sinusumite sa inyo. Tama po ma'am. 975 01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:01,780 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Okay. 976 01:58:03,740 --> 01:58:04,420 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So 977 01:58:12,610 --> 01:58:21,690 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: baka huli po Atty. Del Rosario, ano po yung effect ng isang undeclared beneficial ownership sa pananaw po ng SEC? 978 01:58:23,100 --> 01:58:27,820 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, alam ko po ay nire-review rin po siya ng aming Enforcement Department. 979 01:58:29,500 --> 01:59:02,170 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ibabase po sa mga submission nila. Kasi kailangan po talagang isubmit yan. We require them to submit fruitful beneficial ownership declaration. Kaya po minomorder din po siya ng aming enforcement department kung natugunan po ng kumpanya ang tamang disclosure. Kung ano po ang penalty, medyo hindi ko po kayang sagutin kung it will revoke the company or what or meron mang monetary penalty dahil hindi nga po kami parte nung pag-review niyan. 980 01:59:03,210 --> 01:59:09,850 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Bukod sa undeclared beneficial ownership, ano pa po yung nire-review ninyong enforcement department ng SEC? 981 01:59:11,020 --> 01:59:18,960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, ang enforcement po is more on securities violation, investment fraud, investment scam. 982 01:59:23,530 --> 01:59:29,150 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yun po, yung iniimbestigahan po tungkol sa mga violation ng anti-dummy law, 983 01:59:29,270 --> 01:59:31,050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: yung 984 01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:45,910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: fictitious na mga incorporator, stockholders, paging po yung ultra-virus ay part po ng kanilang iniimbestigahan. So 985 01:59:50,960 --> 02:00:05,580 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: bukod dun sa undeclared beneficial ownership at yung ilang pang kababanggit ninyo, ano pa sa mga provisions ng Anti-Dummy Law ang nire-review ng inyong enforcement department. 986 02:00:12,290 --> 02:00:12,930 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nabanggit ko na po... 987 02:00:12,930 --> 02:00:13,470 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Kung meron pa 988 02:00:13,470 --> 02:00:13,570 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: po. 989 02:00:13,670 --> 02:00:18,960 Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Maraming salamat po, Attorney Del Rosario. Salamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer. 990 02:00:20,510 --> 02:00:32,790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: To avail of his second round, may I acknowledge for Senator-Judge Bam Aquino, thereafter, Senator-Judge Rafi Tulfo. 991 02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:38,840 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Magandang araw. Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. I forgot this is my second round already. 992 02:00:40,780 --> 02:00:57,740 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Hindi po ito para kay Atty. Del Rosario. Gusto po nating malaman ano ba ang role ni Vice President Sara Duterte sa GEN Corp. Okay? Hindi talaga ito malalaman ng ating witness. Hindi niyo po yan malalaman, di ba? 993 02:00:57,740 --> 02:00:58,640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 994 02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:08,660 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay. Ang alam lang natin, si Vice President Sara mismo, Yung naglagay ng kumpanyang GenCorp sa kanyang SAL-N. Is that correct, Atty. Erwin? 995 02:01:10,580 --> 02:01:14,960 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Yes, Your Honor, for her 2024 and 2025 SAL-Ns. 996 02:01:14,980 --> 02:01:26,400 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Meaning, ang Vice President mismo ang naglagay ng kumpanya sa kanyang SAL-N kaya natin nalaman na meron siyang interes. Pero hindi natin alam kung ano mismo yung interes na iyon. 997 02:01:27,580 --> 02:01:30,620 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Nilagay po sa SAL-N SH. 998 02:01:32,600 --> 02:01:33,690 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: SH? 999 02:01:33,690 --> 02:01:37,880 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: SH, which presupposes that stockholder po. 1000 02:01:38,540 --> 02:01:42,450 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay, pero wala siya sa GIS, correct no? Tama to? 1001 02:01:42,450 --> 02:01:43,230 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 1002 02:01:43,230 --> 02:02:12,490 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay. So, sa palagay ko, merong confusion ngayon, paikot-ikot tayo. Dalawang tao lang yung makakaalam kung ano talaga yung role niya. Siya mismo, so let me ask Atty. Justin, of course, ikaw na bahala kung alam mo itong sagot o kung sasagutin mo. So ang kliyente ninyo, ang respondent, siya mismo yung naglagay ng GenCorp sa kanyang salin. Ano nga ba ang kanyang role sa GenCorp? 1003 02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:38,030 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Your Honor, with all due respect, and while I understand where you're coming from, it would be premature for the defense to discuss those matters because currently, Your Honor, it is the prosecution's turn. And may we ask to refer this question to the presiding officer since I believe the impeachment court is a passive body and it should receive evidence at a timely time. Atatlayan niyo part of the proceedings which is at this point, Your Honor, premature. Apologies, Senator Judge. 1004 02:02:38,030 --> 02:02:38,050 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Yes, I 1005 02:02:38,050 --> 02:03:15,320 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: was expecting that answer, Attorney Justin. Pero ibabalikan ko lang yung nasabi ng mga Amici Q. Ray na at the end of the day, itong courting ito is sui generis and we can follow our own path towards truth and fairness. That's why I'm giving you this option. Ang sinasabi mo, you will probably answer this during your time. So I respect that. The other person na pwede magsabi kung ano yung role ni Vice President Sara is of course GenCorp. Si GenCorp mismo. So sino bang presidente ng GenCorp? Nasa ano niyo po ba? Attorney Del Rosario? Sino po bang corporate officers ng GenCorp? 1006 02:03:17,660 --> 02:03:23,680 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Sa palagay ko, sila mismo pwede magsabi kung ano yung role ni Vice President Sara ito sa GenCorp. 1007 02:03:25,550 --> 02:03:28,030 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Who are the corporate officers? Who are the owners? 1008 02:03:58,680 --> 02:04:01,060 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Corporate Secretary po ay si Gurley S. Delacruz. 1009 02:04:01,460 --> 02:04:11,830 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay. So, any of them would be able to tell us ano ba ang role ni Vice President Sara Duterte dito as corporate officers? Tama po ba? 1010 02:04:11,830 --> 02:04:12,400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 1011 02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:12,980 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Okay. 1012 02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:28,100 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: So, I leave that to the prosecution kasi lang nais nating malaman ano ba talaga ang role niya dito. It's possible it could, maybe it's, maybe it could even be her husband. Hindi natin alam, di ba? Tama ba? 1013 02:04:29,620 --> 02:04:37,420 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Atty. Erwin, pag naglalagay ka ng salin, posibleng yung asawa yung nakatukoy sa mga business interests, correct? 1014 02:04:37,420 --> 02:04:39,970 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Posible po, or anak, pwede rin po yun. 1015 02:04:39,970 --> 02:04:55,720 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay, so we don't know. The answer is we don't know and we want to know, we want to find out. So, sa palagay ko, ito pong witness natin, nasagot niya yung kaya niyang masagot. Pero yung ibang mga kasagutan dito, ibang tao na siguro yung pwedeng sumagot. Yun lang po, Mr. Presiding Officer. Maraming salamat. 1016 02:04:55,840 --> 02:05:03,560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you. With the indulgence of Senator-Judge JV, who is availing of his first round, I believe Senator-Judge Raffi has only one question. 1017 02:05:05,480 --> 02:05:09,860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Then, Senator-Judge Raffi. 1018 02:05:14,770 --> 02:06:02,650 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Kahapon po, bilang sagot sa tanong ko, Atty. Gular responded that my question called for an answer. to a hypothetical question. Tama naman kung datusin. Kasi hindi naman po sila ang tinasabi kong brilliant lawyers ni VP Sara when she ran for vice president. Now, ito ang tanong ko para kay Attorney Del Rosario. Para po hindi na maging hypothetical ang tanong ko, kung isang public official ay pasok sa enumeration ng Article 7, Section 13 ng Constitution, automatic po ba na dapat mag-divest ng opisyal? base sa regulasyon ng SEC. Ang sagot po ninyo kahapon, walang ganong regulasyon at least at the level of the SEC. Tama? 1019 02:06:03,270 --> 02:07:16,960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pong sagot ko on that ay kung meron kaming guidelines to report. Kung ang opisyalis na ito ay magtayo ng kumpanya o maging parte ng kumpanya, wala po kaming guidelines on that na dapat namin siyang i-report sa OP, sa Senate, sa House, o sa Judiciary. o sa ombudsman to flag yung mga tao na iyon. Yun po yung wala kaming guidelines. Pero kung sa yung tanong niyo po ngayon kung dapat po siyang may divest, malinaw mo naman po sa batas na meron prohibition. Na dapat sana, alam niya, bilang mataas na ka-opisyal ng gobyerno, na pinanumpaan niya nun siya ay nag-swear to act as president, vice president, na iyon ang Iyon ang kanyang limitasyon. Kaya dapat sana bago siya nanumpa, tinanggal na niya o nag-divest na po siya. Na nakita naman po natin meron ditong GES na kung saan na hindi naging party na si Bibi Sara sa ilang kumpanya nung dumating yung at least 2019 pa po nga ay hindi na rin nag-appear yung kanyang pangalan. Siguro yun po yung divestment. 1020 02:07:17,600 --> 02:07:34,860 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Maraming salamat po sa inyong kasagutan. So, binigit po ninyo that the SEC does not proactively flag these cases. Sino pong ordinarily ang dapat makapansin at mag-correct nito kung kailangan ng koreksyon? Tama po ba na ang documents are ordinarily prepared by the Corporate Secretary? 1021 02:07:34,860 --> 02:07:35,960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 1022 02:07:37,540 --> 02:08:13,510 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nangyayari naman po sa amin yan na mayroong pagkakamali yung opisyal na nagsumite. Ang usual na nangyayari po ay nagpapahal sila sa atin ng petition to amend or to correct yung document. So long na within the jurisdiction ng aming tanggapan, yung issue of correction, gagawin po namin. Pero upang correction will entail corporate, meron po ng tinatawag na intra-corporate controversy. Let's say, tinanggal siya, bakit ako tinanggal? That's issue of corporate controversy which we refer the matter to the regular court. 1023 02:08:14,190 --> 02:08:38,450 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Thank you, sir. So, may ibang records pa po ba sa SEC na magpapakita kung ang direktor ba ay pumirma ng mga resolusyons, bumoto on any corporate decision, or nag-participate in management after assuming office? Kasi gusto lang po namin maging fair dito. We want the court to decide or come up with legal conclusions based on only on the documents and evidence available to us. 1024 02:08:39,820 --> 02:09:00,360 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po kaming record unless mag-submit sila dahil ang talagang Inaasahan namin i-submitin nila sa amin ay yung JS at financial statement lang. Pero on this, wala po kami makitang resolusyon showing na yung participation niya sa kumpanyang ito, na nilagdaan niya. Wala po kami ganong informasyon. 1025 02:09:00,700 --> 02:09:03,820 Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Thank you, sir. No further questions. Thank 1026 02:09:03,820 --> 02:09:10,420 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you, Senator-Judge Rafi. Senator-Judge Javy, you may proceed when you're ready. You have two minutes, sir. 1027 02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:11,840 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. 1028 02:09:14,030 --> 02:09:28,370 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: If a person is a shareholder of a corporation but has never received any dividends from it, does the absence of dividends income meaning that he has no participation in the business or no financial interest in the corporation? 1029 02:09:41,350 --> 02:09:48,270 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Siya po ay may interest sa korporasyon. Meron na siyang matanggap o walang dibidendo, hindi po yan 1030 02:09:48,270 --> 02:09:48,410 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ang 1031 02:09:48,410 --> 02:09:57,610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: basehan para sabihin niya na hindi na siya stockholder. Kinakailangan hawak pa rin po niya yung interest, yung shares of stock para sabihin shareholder pa rin siya. 1032 02:09:58,460 --> 02:10:32,640 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang isa pa po ay if a person is merely a shareholder of a corporation without taking part in its management, yung kanina sinabi ni Senator-Judge Tulpo, operations or business decisions, Does the mere continued ownership of shares by itself mean that the person is willfully continuing to engage in the business or corporation? Ang shareholder po ba ay hindi man lang nakikilahok sa pamamahala, operasyon, o disisyon ng negosyo? Ibig sabihin ba ay nangalugan ba na willfully continue to engage in the business ng korporasyon pa rin po siya? 1033 02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:36,440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tulad po nang sabi ko, habang hawak mo ang shares of stock, 1034 02:10:36,990 --> 02:10:37,430 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung 1035 02:10:37,430 --> 02:10:43,970 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ngayong participation ay dispassive, umaasa ka lang sa dividendo o wala kang matanggap, shareholder pa 1036 02:10:43,970 --> 02:11:00,850 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: rin po kayo. At ang huli po, ayan, gusto ko lang liwanagin din yung kaninang punto po ng Senator-Judge Hontiveros. Yung isang public official ba, yung pagkakaroon ba ng financial interest ay sapat na po bang sa GIS lamang o kinakailangan sa SAL-M din po? Para malaman. 1037 02:11:02,060 --> 02:11:34,010 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, unang-una nga po, ang... Ang information sa ating JS ay information na nanggagaling sa corporation through the corporate secretary. Yung SAL-N naman po ay personal na ginagawa noong empleyado. Dapat po sana kung ano ang pag-aari niya, kung ano ang pagkakautang niya, isaad niya ng tama sa SAL-N. Kasi yan naman po ang inaasahan. At yan po ang dahilan kung bakit tayo nagkaroon ng SAL-N. Para maging transparent tayo, i-disclose natin ang lahat ng yaman natin, maging ang utang natin, ilagay natin doon. No further questions, Mr. 1038 02:11:34,110 --> 02:11:34,310 Sen. Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: President? 1039 02:11:35,050 --> 02:11:58,060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge. Just a few interjections from the chair. We shall be done in a few minutes. And we will be resuming at 1 o'clock after lunch. Atty. Del Rosario, normal po ba o kakaiba na walang dinedeklaran dividendo ang mga kumpanyang dumadaan sa inyo, base sa inyong mga dokumentong nare-receive mula sa iba't ibang tao? 1040 02:11:59,100 --> 02:12:04,200 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Una-una po, ang talagang basihan kung bakit gustong mag-invest ng isang shareholder is yung 1041 02:12:04,200 --> 02:12:04,720 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: dividendo. Hindi po yun ang 1042 02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:15,030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: tanong ko. Base po ba sa mga dine-report sa inyo, sa mga natatanggap yung dokumento, normal po ba o kakaiba na walang dinedeklaran dividendo ang isang kumpanya? 1043 02:12:15,790 --> 02:12:20,210 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nasabihin ko po ang kakaiba dahil meron naman po siyang unrestricted retained earnings. 1044 02:12:20,670 --> 02:12:23,530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung meron unrestricted retained earnings. At 1045 02:12:23,530 --> 02:12:28,990 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ang binigay naman po ng batas is word na may. Ibig sabihin, discretion pa rin ng board. So 1046 02:12:28,990 --> 02:12:57,090 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: normal po siya kung may unrestricted retained earnings. Tama po. Hindi po siya... Normal at bawal siya pag wala. Tama po. So ang tanong ko po, hindi pa rin niyo po nasasagot. Sa mga dokumentong pinaproseso niyo sa dinami-dami po niya ng opisina niyo, ang normal po ba o kakaiba ang pagdeklara ng dividendo? Meron man o walang unrestricted retained earnings ang isang kumpanya? Ano po yung mas marami? Yung nagdede-deklara ng dividendo o yung hindi? 1047 02:12:58,110 --> 02:13:00,570 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala po ako nakitang nagdeklara ng dividendo. 1048 02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:03,950 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Basis ang nire-report sa inyo? 1049 02:13:04,170 --> 02:13:09,220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. Sa mga kumpanya ito, maliban sa mga kumpanya na nabanggit po kahapon. Hindi lang po 1050 02:13:09,220 --> 02:13:22,230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ito. Yung ibang sinusumete sa inyo. Base po sa inyong malawak na karanasan bilang opisyal ng SEC, normal po bang nagde-declare, mas marami po ba nagde-declare ng dividendo o hindi? 1051 02:13:22,980 --> 02:13:23,440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: I 1052 02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:26,300 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: assume po na mayroon pong marami nagde-declare ng dividendo. 1053 02:13:26,740 --> 02:13:27,760 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Marami din pong wala? 1054 02:13:28,180 --> 02:13:29,160 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Marami din pong wala. 1055 02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:31,820 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung bibigyan niyo po ng prosento, 50-50? 1056 02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:34,680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Maaaring 1057 02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:34,940 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ganun 1058 02:13:34,940 --> 02:13:39,030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: po. So, kalahati nagdedeklara, kalahati hindi. At wala naman po ang bawal doon. O, 1059 02:13:39,050 --> 02:13:40,050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: para po sa taong iyon. 1060 02:13:40,510 --> 02:13:40,980 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Apo. 1061 02:13:40,980 --> 02:13:50,130 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ngayon, ang Executive Committee po ay nilikha ng Board of Directors para kumatawan sa kanya, hindi po ba? 1062 02:13:50,130 --> 02:13:51,110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 1063 02:13:51,110 --> 02:13:54,010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mas maliit na Board of Directors po siya, hindi po ba? 1064 02:13:54,010 --> 02:13:54,960 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 1065 02:13:54,960 --> 02:14:01,510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi po siya ang nagpapatakbo ng pang-araw-araw na gawain ng kumpanya o day-to-day operations, ika nga? 1066 02:14:01,710 --> 02:14:02,350 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 1067 02:14:02,670 --> 02:14:03,930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sino po ang gumagawa noon? 1068 02:14:05,100 --> 02:14:14,940 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ng pang-araw-araw. Yung pong mga opisyal tulad ng presidente, treasurer, secretary, yan po ang may... CEO, 1069 02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:31,140 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: COO. Tama po. Hindi po ang stockholder. Hindi po ang shareholder. Hindi po ang director. Hindi po ang director. Hindi po ang member ng executive committee. Hindi po. Maliba na lang kung opisyal din siya at the same time. 1070 02:14:31,610 --> 02:14:31,790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: At 1071 02:14:31,790 --> 02:14:35,670 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: tama po kung ang director ay at the same time presidente, treasurer, or secretary. 1072 02:14:37,210 --> 02:14:53,870 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Susubukan ko pong itulay yung tinatanong kanina ni Sen. Ban para sa kalaman ng Sen. Judges ganyan din ang publiko upang hindi tayo mahirapan itahi-tahi ito. May I request the Sergeant, the Clerk of Court, to kindly furnish the witness. 1073 02:14:55,520 --> 02:15:01,600 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: with the SAL-N of VP-SARA for 2015, 2016, and 2024. 1074 02:15:03,120 --> 02:15:12,240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: These are respectively Exhibit P, Roman numeral number 2, dash 1, dash 1, dash G, dash P, dash 1. 1075 02:15:14,490 --> 02:15:32,640 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Exhibit P dash Roman numeral number 2, dash 1, dash 1, dash H, dash P, dash I N.P. Roman numeral 2-1-R1-Q-P-1 Nakita niyo na 1076 02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:55,830 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: po? Nakita ko na po. Unahin po natin yung sa 2015, yung ikalawa sa huling pahina, kung saan nakalagay po yung business interests, business financial interests. Nandun na po kayo? Nandun na po. Ayan, binanggit po kanina itong pag-usapan kahit kahapon, yung City Hall King Chow Foods Corp. At saka Metro City Chow Foods Corp. 1077 02:15:56,520 --> 02:15:57,220 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 1078 02:15:59,930 --> 02:16:01,970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Incorporator o shareholder ba si VP Saerdon? 1079 02:16:03,230 --> 02:16:10,840 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: City Hall po, opo. Metro Chow? Sa Metro Chow po, incorporator din po siya. 1080 02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:15,080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Incorporated din po siya. At yan din po ang nakalagay sa sale niya? Tama po. 1081 02:16:17,230 --> 02:16:22,520 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nakalagay din po rito sa kanyang sale na siya incorporator. At stockholder? 1082 02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:24,020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa stockholder. 1083 02:16:24,360 --> 02:16:29,250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: May tanong po ako. Nakaslash po dun sa salihan niya yung dalawang kumpanyang yan. 1084 02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:31,760 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kita niyo po? 1085 02:16:32,020 --> 02:16:33,380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo, nakasulat po rito. 1086 02:16:34,370 --> 02:16:44,530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: City Hall King Chow Foods Corp. slash Metro City Chow Foods Corp. Opo. Kung alam niyo lang po, bakit po siya nakaslash? Anong ibig sabihin nun? 1087 02:16:48,880 --> 02:17:02,020 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ang unang interpretasyon ko po rito, kahit nung pang ito ay nirequest sa amin, baka kako itong City Hall ay dating Metro Chow. Pero hindi naman po gano'n. 1088 02:17:02,220 --> 02:17:05,800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kumbaga, former company name siya. Ibang 1089 02:17:05,800 --> 02:17:07,320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: kumpanya po yung binabanggit niyo. 1090 02:17:07,480 --> 02:17:11,260 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Ngayon po, nung nakita ko nga po ang record, magkaibang kumpanya ito. So 1091 02:17:11,260 --> 02:17:12,560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ito ay magkaibang kumpanya? 1092 02:17:12,780 --> 02:17:13,800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Magkaibang kumpanya po. 1093 02:17:14,890 --> 02:17:27,020 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pangalawa po, yung Great Jolly Times Food Corporation at Times Square B Foods Corporation. Base po sa inyong records, shareholder, incorporator po ba ang vice president? 1094 02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:46,600 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa Great Jolly Times Food Corporation po. Hindi po nag-a-appear ang kanyang pangalan dito. Sa 1095 02:17:46,600 --> 02:17:50,240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Times Square B Foods Corporation, nag-a-appear po ba ang pangalan niya? 1096 02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:56,800 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi rin po nag-a-appear ang pangalan ni BP Sara sa Times Square B Food Corporation. 1097 02:17:57,640 --> 02:18:10,230 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bilang incorporator o shareholder o stockholder? Tama po. Diyan po sa dokumentong hawak niyo sa sale niya, nakalagay po ba na stockholder at incorporator siya? 1098 02:18:10,740 --> 02:18:19,400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nakalagay po na siya po ay incorporator slash stockholder ng Great Jolly Times Food Corporation pati ng Times Square Beef Food Corporation. 1099 02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:24,310 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ngayon, dumako po tayo sa 2024 na salaya niya. 1100 02:18:27,660 --> 02:18:43,730 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Nakalagay po dito, kung papansinin niyo po sa ikalawa, sa huling pahina, sa ikaliwa bago ang huling pahina muli, yung GenCorp Industries Incorporated. Pakibasa nga po yung entry dun sa name of entity, business enterprise? 1101 02:18:45,680 --> 02:18:55,640 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa pangalawang grupo po merong GENCORP Industries Inc., formerly Times Square B, Food Corporation, and Great Jolly Times Food. 1102 02:18:56,100 --> 02:19:02,560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung alam nyo lang po, ano po ibig sabihin ng formerly kung i-interpret nyo po ito bilang official ng SEC? 1103 02:19:04,020 --> 02:19:16,480 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kung makikita ko po ito, isipin ko na ito yung dating pangalan ni GENCORP. Subalit, base sa inyong record, may kanya-kanya po siyang juridical entity personality. 1104 02:19:17,160 --> 02:19:29,980 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ito po ay tatlong ibat-ibang kumpanya. Tama po. GenCorp ay ibang kumpanya sa Times B Foods Corp sa Great Jolly Times Food. Iba-ibang kumpanya po ito. 1105 02:19:30,140 --> 02:19:32,880 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. Tatlong kumpanya ang may kanya-kanyang personality. 1106 02:19:32,880 --> 02:19:39,420 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi po na unang kumpanya ang Times Square B Foods at ang Great Jolly Times Food sa GenCorp. 1107 02:19:39,690 --> 02:19:41,910 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Wala pong ganung record ang aming pisina. 1108 02:19:42,130 --> 02:19:47,370 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi po sumalin, humalinhin, at pumalit ang GenCorp sa dalawang kumpanyang ito. Tama 1109 02:19:47,370 --> 02:19:47,590 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: po. 1110 02:19:48,170 --> 02:19:58,050 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Base po sa dokumentong hawak niyo na salin ng ikalawang Pangulo ng 2024, ano po ang... ang interest ng ikalawang Pangulo dito sa tatlong kumpanyang ito? 1111 02:20:00,130 --> 02:20:04,030 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nakatlagay po rito, siya ay stockholder ng mga kumpanyang ito. 1112 02:20:04,170 --> 02:20:08,170 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Base po sa inyong record, siya po ba ay stockholder ng tatlong kumpanyang 1113 02:20:08,170 --> 02:20:10,110 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: ito? Yung GenCorp po, 1114 02:20:10,540 --> 02:20:10,740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sa 1115 02:20:10,740 --> 02:20:13,560 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: pagkaalala ko po, hindi po nag-a-appear ang kanyang pangalan. 1116 02:20:16,350 --> 02:20:17,370 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Isang check pa po. 1117 02:20:19,320 --> 02:20:20,680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yun, Times Square po? 1118 02:20:28,370 --> 02:20:37,950 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa Times Square po, hindi rin po nag-a-appear ang kanyang pangalan bilang incorporator o director man from incorporation up to the GIS noong 2023. 1119 02:20:39,530 --> 02:21:05,400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bilang opisyal ng SEC na matagal na nunungkulan doon, sa kaalaman ninyo sa revised corporation code, bilang opisyal na nagpa-file din ang salin at bilang abogado. Paano niyo po pagtutugma ito kung nalalaman niyo na dineklara niyang incorporator at shareholder siya sa sale niya pero wala sa dokumento? Ano po ang maaaring paliwanag na maaaring niyong ibigay kaugnay nito? 1120 02:21:07,410 --> 02:21:24,380 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Well, magiging paliwanag ko lang po dito ay maaaring meron po siyang trust agreement sa mga taong ito para i-represent ang inyong sarili. Gawa po nang nilagay niyang stockholder siya pero sa dokumento ng SEC wala naman siyang pangalan. bilang incorporator or stockholder. 1121 02:21:24,940 --> 02:21:30,460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yun lamang po ba ang paraan para ma-reconcile natin yung dalawang bagay na iyon? 1122 02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:46,170 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Maaari din po na merong kumpanya rito, merong isang corporate shareholder dito na meron siyang control. Kaya iisip din niya na kanya rin yung kumpanya na iyon. 1123 02:21:46,670 --> 02:22:00,000 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Nominee siya o beneficial owner siya? Opo. So, matanong ko po, Dito sa GenCorp, nabanggit na kanina kung sino yung mga shareholders at kabilang ang JTC Corp. 1124 02:22:00,950 --> 02:22:02,110 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Tama po? Tama po. 1125 02:22:03,560 --> 02:22:09,620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Doon sa Jolly Foods, puro mga Cruz ang may stockholder. Tama po ba? 1126 02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:10,440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes. 1127 02:22:13,430 --> 02:22:15,130 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Doon sa Jolly Times Food? 1128 02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:16,610 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Jolly Times. 1129 02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:50,400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa Great Jolly Times Food po, ang mga aplido pong nakalagay dito ay Cruz. Tatlong Cruz, Isang Tan at Isang Yuste. Opo. Tapos sa Times 1130 02:22:50,400 --> 02:22:50,640 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Square? 1131 02:22:53,530 --> 02:22:54,050 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Sa 1132 02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:18,780 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Times Square po, ang mga apelido rito ay, pangalam pong naka-appel dito ay Ang Hai Peng, Girly Dela Cruz at Richie Evel Cruz. 1133 02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:28,340 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So possible po, isa sa mga ito ay nominee o trustee po ng ikalawang Pangulo? 1134 02:23:28,880 --> 02:23:31,870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Maari po. Dahil siya naman mismo po yung nag-declare. 1135 02:23:32,730 --> 02:23:33,250 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 1136 02:23:35,570 --> 02:23:38,970 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: May paglabag po ba kung yan nga ang katotohanan o wala? 1137 02:23:39,770 --> 02:23:43,790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Meron po. Ano po ang paglabag? Hindi po tama ang kanyang disclosure. 1138 02:23:48,120 --> 02:24:03,070 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po tama ang kanyang disclosure saan po? Sa kanyang mga kumpanya. Sa kumpanya ito, ibig sabihin, iba pala ang may-ari nung mga kumpanya na hindi nag-a-appear ang kanyang pangalan. 1139 02:24:03,420 --> 02:24:13,880 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pero kahit hindi naman po, kahit hindi naman po siyang may-ari talaga at nominee lamang yung nakabanggit dyan na incorporator or shareholder, hindi naman po illegal yun per se. 1140 02:24:14,100 --> 02:24:23,440 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi po siya illegal. Una, na-violate po niya yung hindi tamang pag-disclose ng impormasyon. Pangalawa... 1141 02:24:23,440 --> 02:24:36,530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sino po nag-violate? Yung shareholder on record o ang ikalawang Pangulo? Yung shareholder on record. Hindi siya. Opo. Kung may nag-violate man, yung shareholder on record. Hindi ang ikalawang Pangulo. 1142 02:24:38,010 --> 02:24:44,370 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kine-claim po kasi nga na siyang shareholder. Although wala siyang hawak na dokumento, but she is 1143 02:24:44,370 --> 02:24:44,410 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: claiming. 1144 02:24:44,410 --> 02:24:44,850 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: So sino po 1145 02:24:44,850 --> 02:24:51,690 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: nag-violate sa punto de vista ng SEC? Eh wala naman nga po siyang nireport dun eh, nirecord dun eh. Wala naman siya sinabit sa inyo tungkol sa kumpanyang yun eh. 1146 02:24:51,950 --> 02:24:54,250 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yung pamunan po ng korporasyon na nag-report. 1147 02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:59,880 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So sila po ang may liability kung sakasakali? Tama po. Hindi po ang ikalawang Pangulo? 1148 02:25:01,630 --> 02:25:10,870 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Tama po. Yung dineklara niya sa kanyang salen, kung may liability man siya ron, siya yun sa salen. Pero hindi dun sa kumpanya na hindi lumalabas yung kanyang pangalan. 1149 02:25:11,190 --> 02:25:13,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo, dahil hindi naman po siya ang gumawa ng report. 1150 02:25:14,150 --> 02:25:19,030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Dahil hindi po siya nga ang gumawa ng report at hindi siya kabilang sa mga direktor dun sa mga kumpanyang yun. 1151 02:25:20,060 --> 02:25:20,500 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Opo. 1152 02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:21,040 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Tama 1153 02:25:21,040 --> 02:25:22,180 Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: po? Tama po. At 1154 02:25:22,180 --> 02:25:34,860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: wala pong obligasyon isumiti sa inyo ang anumang trust agreement o deed of assignment. or deed of sale ng mga instrumento kaugnay sa mga stocks sa kumpanyang ito? 1155 02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:37,790 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Hindi na po namin nire-require 1156 02:25:37,790 --> 02:25:49,820 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: yan. Hindi na po? Posibleng meron, pero wala po kayong kopya kung meron na. Tama po. Salamat po, Ginong Del Rosario. Kung wala na pong ibang... Ah, Senator-Judge, Pangilinan. 1157 02:25:52,850 --> 02:25:57,150 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sorry, gutom na yata. Yan eh, kaya natagalan ng konti. For the 1158 02:25:57,150 --> 02:25:57,830 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: second round, 1159 02:25:57,830 --> 02:26:03,570 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Ginong Atty. Del Rosario. Kayo naghandaan ng summary, no? 1160 02:26:03,570 --> 02:26:04,270 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 1161 02:26:04,270 --> 02:26:16,790 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. Dito sa summary, lahat, or at least from years 2007, depende sa kumpanya, hanggang 2024, inilaan ninyo yung total sales. Tama? 1162 02:26:16,790 --> 02:26:17,530 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Tama po. 1163 02:26:17,530 --> 02:26:27,150 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So, from 2007 to 2017, City Hall King Chow, about 311 million ang kanyang sales. 1164 02:26:30,490 --> 02:26:31,390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Nung 1165 02:26:31,390 --> 02:26:46,750 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: 2017 naman hanggang 2025, yung Metro Chow, sabi ninyo, basis sales, 309 million. Ang Great Jolly Times naman from 2007 to 2013, 209 million ang benta. 1166 02:26:51,990 --> 02:27:01,910 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: At yung Times Square, B-Food, 2013 hanggang 2022, 335 million ang benta. 1167 02:27:02,460 --> 02:27:06,540 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Times Square po ay 335,087,332. 1168 02:27:06,580 --> 02:27:19,150 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Tama po. So ang City Hall, King Chow, Metro Chow, Great Jolly Times, Times Square B Food, ang total niya is about 1.15 billion sales. Tama po. 1169 02:27:19,250 --> 02:27:20,870 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes. Okay. At 1170 02:27:20,870 --> 02:27:56,300 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: ang GenCorp naman from 2020 to 2024, nakasabi ang kanyang sales ay 1.04 billion. Sa iyong summary. Tama po. So ang total ng GenCorp, City Hall King, Metro Chow, Great Jolly Times, Times Square B Food from 2007 until 2024, total is about 2.159 billion worth of sales. Tama po. And in all those instances, walang dineklarang dividendo. Wala pong information on dividend declaration. 1171 02:27:58,180 --> 02:28:19,200 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Sinabi mo kaninang 50-50 ang nagde-deklara at hindi nagde-deklara ng dividendo. Apo. Pero sabi nyo para sa taong yun. Apo. Pero sa kabuan, experience nyo sa taong-taon, ganun din? 50% ang mga nagde-deklara at 50% ang hindi nagde-deklara? 1172 02:28:19,540 --> 02:28:24,080 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yun po yung aking presumption. Mga 50-50 po ang hindi nakapag-deklara. 1173 02:28:24,470 --> 02:28:45,850 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Pero dito naman sa itong 2007 to 2025 o 24 na hindi nagde-deklara, is that part of ano yan? Tama ba? Most companies ganyan ba sa pakiwari mo na taong taon for several years na 2.1 billion ang sales? 1174 02:28:46,970 --> 02:28:53,470 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Kasi po baka meron namang proyekto yung kumpanya. Expansion sabi ninyo. Expansion. 1175 02:29:00,810 --> 02:29:02,490 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: So non 1176 02:29:02,490 --> 02:29:15,880 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: -declaration does not mean illegal. Yun nga lang, non-declaration means wala kang kinita, wala kang income. Wala pong pinamahagi sa shareholders. 1177 02:29:23,160 --> 02:29:49,790 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Kasi ang mga pangalan, King Chow, Chow, Jolly, Times, Bee. Would you know, itong 2.1 billion na sales, would this be, kasi restaurants eh, di ba? Yes, Your Honor. Pulo restaurants po. So ano yan? Mga Jollibee ba yan? Tsaka mga Chowking? Kasi mukhang yun ang may kinalaman sa Chowking ba yan? Or Jollibee? Would you know? Only if you know. 1178 02:29:50,090 --> 02:29:57,830 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Lumalabas po sa isang financial statement na in-identify kahapon ng witness, may lumabas po yung salitang Jollibee. 1179 02:30:00,750 --> 02:30:02,570 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Gencorp Industries. 1180 02:30:02,570 --> 02:30:02,970 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So 1181 02:30:02,970 --> 02:30:21,360 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: would you know? Only if you know. Ibig sabihin ba itong mga kumpanya na ito ay mga Medialibi and Chowking franchises? Only if you know. Based on your... Kasi kanina sabi mo yung Jaime T. Cruz ay basis sa inyong research. Would you know? 1182 02:30:21,880 --> 02:30:24,400 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: Yes, Your Honor. May mga franchises po. 1183 02:30:24,600 --> 02:30:25,360 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Would you know how many? 1184 02:30:27,150 --> 02:30:30,390 Atty. Gerardo F. del Rosario: I don't have the exact number, Your Honor. Pero we have... 1185 02:30:30,750 --> 02:30:46,290 Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: More or less. Kasi billion eh. So I would assume maraming franchisees ito ng Jollibee at ng Chowking, kaya umaabot ng billion yung kanilang sales over a period of time. Yes, Your Honor. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. 1186 02:30:46,930 --> 02:31:03,810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: For the information also, Senator-Judge Pangilinan, we have subpoenaed the BAR records of these companies and through that, to the witness, they will present... that may perhaps be shown. We shall break for lunch and shall resume at 1 1187 02:31:05,730 --> 02:31:07,310 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: .15. 1188 02:31:10,770 --> 02:31:14,410 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Trial is suspended. Yes, Attorney Erwin. 1189 02:31:15,070 --> 02:31:20,970 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: Sorry, Your Honor. Just a quick manifestation. May we ask for the marking of... Sorry, 1190 02:31:21,010 --> 02:31:25,930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: nakalimutan kita. Uli, excuse, Attorney. Nangako pa naman ako kanina. Buti na lang hindi. 1191 02:31:27,390 --> 02:31:39,570 Atty. Erwin G. Matib: May we ask the witness to give us a copy of his summary together with the transmittal so that we'll have this marked as our exhibit. Your Honor, we will be redacting the portions. Yes, please. The title. 1192 02:31:40,470 --> 02:31:50,530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, witness is so instructed. And Attorney De Rosario, forgive me for forgetting again. Attorney De Rosario, maraming salamat po sa inyong panahon. Yes, Attorney Justin. 1193 02:31:52,740 --> 02:31:58,130 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: Off po. Hello, sorry. Yes, Your Honor, we'd also like to adopt marking. Okay, 1194 02:31:59,270 --> 02:31:59,790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Julie noted. 1195 02:32:01,980 --> 02:32:19,260 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Del Rosario, maraming salamat po sa inyong panahon, sa inyong oras, sa muling pagbalik mula kahapon at sa pagsagot sa pagtugon sa mga katanungan ng magkabilang partido at ng senator-judges at sa inyong pong pasensya. You are excused, sir. Salamat po. And thank you for your time. Trial 1196 02:32:19,260 --> 02:32:19,580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: is 1197 02:32:19,580 --> 02:32:21,520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: suspended. 1198 03:24:01,740 --> 03:24:03,620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Call is resumed. Sorry for the slight delay. 1199 03:24:08,980 --> 03:24:10,840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Ridon, call your next witness. 1200 03:24:12,600 --> 03:24:17,460 Rep. Terry L. Ridon: We are calling our Phil Jeffs witness, Mr. 1201 03:24:19,620 --> 03:24:28,320 Rep. Terry L. Ridon: Rendell Sopena. Direct testimony will be administered by the lead prosecutor, Congresswoman Jerryville Luistra. 1202 03:24:33,580 --> 03:24:39,680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Honorable Luistra is recognized. On the part of the respondent, Attorney Justin, it will still be you. 1203 03:24:39,940 --> 03:24:47,660 Atty. Justin Nicol B. Gular: No, Your Honor. May I request that my co-counsel, Atty. Roberto N. Batumbacal, be recognized, Your Honor. 1204 03:24:52,330 --> 03:24:55,630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Good afternoon, Your Honor. What is your nickname, Atty. Batumbacal? 1205 03:24:55,910 --> 03:24:57,810 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, you can call me Roby, Your Honor. 1206 03:25:03,080 --> 03:25:04,740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Roby with an I-E or with a Y? 1207 03:25:05,520 --> 03:25:07,140 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: R-O-B-I-E, Your Honor. 1208 03:25:07,180 --> 03:25:15,390 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. Kindly situate the Clerk of Court through the osahas instructed to kindly situate Mr. Supena to the witness stand. 1209 03:25:47,660 --> 03:25:49,620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Clerk of Court is instructed to administer the oath. 1210 03:25:51,100 --> 03:25:56,180 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Please raise your right hand. You, Rendell Sopena, do swear 1211 03:25:56,370 --> 03:26:00,790 Rendell P. Sopeña: that the 1212 03:26:00,790 --> 03:26:01,830 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: evidence you shall give 1213 03:26:01,830 --> 03:26:03,910 Rendell P. Sopeña: in 1214 03:26:03,910 --> 03:26:05,130 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: the case now pending 1215 03:26:05,130 --> 03:26:07,110 Rendell P. Sopeña: between 1216 03:26:07,110 --> 03:26:09,930 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: the Philippines and Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte 1217 03:26:09,930 --> 03:26:13,790 Rendell P. Sopeña: shall 1218 03:26:13,790 --> 03:26:14,650 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: be the truth. 1219 03:26:15,390 --> 03:26:17,030 Rendell P. Sopeña: shall be the truth, the whole truth, 1220 03:26:17,950 --> 03:26:18,770 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: and nothing but the truth. 1221 03:26:19,290 --> 03:26:19,810 Rendell P. Sopeña: So 1222 03:26:19,810 --> 03:26:20,350 Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: help me God. 1223 03:26:26,590 --> 03:26:37,220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ginong Supena, naunabahan niyo po ang inyong pinanumpaan? Yes, Your Honor. Okay, your witness. I'd rather make your offer, Honorable Bistro. 1224 03:26:37,460 --> 03:26:47,430 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. We are respectfully offering the testimony of Mr. Rendell Supena for the following purposes, Your Honor. 1225 03:26:49,140 --> 03:27:16,700 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Una, ang witness ay ang Division Chief ng Electronic Government Procurement Operations Division sa ilalim ng Philippine Government Electronic Procurement System Office na nasa ilalim din ng Procurement Service Department of Budget and Management. 1226 03:27:19,370 --> 03:27:20,550 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pangalawa, 1227 03:27:22,090 --> 03:28:33,890 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Upang patunayan na ang witness ay may sapat na kaalaman sa procurement at PhilGEPS system, ipapaliwanag ng testigo ang papel ng PhilGEPS bilang single electronic portal na nagsisilbing primary source of information sa lahat ng procurement ng gobyerno upang maisulong ang transparency, efficiency, at competitiveness sa mga transaksyon ng pamahalaan. Pangatlo, upang patunayan ang integridad, pagpapatunay at kredibilidad ng mga rekord na hawak ng PhilGepps kung saan tutukuyin at ipakikilala ng witness ang mga official documents na nakuha mula sa PhilGepps database at ipapaliwanag kung paano formal na naisubmit, naitala, at na-extract ang mga elektronikong dokumentong ito mula sa PhilGepps system. 1228 03:28:36,270 --> 03:29:43,700 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pang-apat, upang patunayan ang mga partikular na transaksyon ng GenCorp Industries Inc. Kung maaalala natin, itong GenCorp ay nabanggit Vice Presidente Sara Duterte sa kanyang SAL-N. Ang sabi ng Vice Presidente, shareholder siya ng GenCorp Industries, Inc. Sa pamamagitan ng testigong ito, patutunayan na ang GenCorp ay may mga kontrata sa gobyerno, kabilang dito ang City Government of Davao. At sa pamamagitan ng testigong ito, patutunayan na mga kontratang ito ay may halagang lampas sa 30 milyong piso. Bilang panlima, patutunayan din ng testigo ang iba pang material at relevant na allegation sa Article 2 ng Articles of Impeachment. That is all for the purposes, Your Honor. 1229 03:29:50,140 --> 03:30:00,000 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: For number four, Your Honor, we object to the offer number four for being conclusions of law and fact, Your Honor. And then the rest will... I'll 1230 03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:01,800 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: just be subject to cross, Your Honor. 1231 03:30:02,440 --> 03:30:06,900 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Are you willing to stipulate the first offer, the position of the witness, counsel? 1232 03:30:07,200 --> 03:30:08,620 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. Willing to stipulate. 1233 03:30:09,740 --> 03:30:20,520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Istro, your first offer insofar as the fact that the witness is the division chief of the EGPOD of Phil Jepps and of PSDBM has been stipulated by counsel, no need to prove the same. 1234 03:30:20,840 --> 03:30:22,020 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We confirm, Your Honor. 1235 03:30:23,660 --> 03:30:26,680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The comments of Attorney Robby or Julie Norton? Your Honor, 1236 03:30:26,780 --> 03:30:57,420 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: apologies. Just one more, Your Honor. We understand that the witness for today will be supposed to be identifying and authenticating documents from his office, Your Honor, but a perusal of the pretrial brief and the PTO, Your Honor, shows that they were not listed as one of the documents nor reserved, Your Honor. So, Your Honor, we conduct our cross without waiving the right to raise the objection at the proper time, Your Honor. 1237 03:30:57,850 --> 03:31:07,010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Julie noted, counsel. And we confirm that we likewise do not have a copy of these exhibits as being Julie marked. 1238 03:31:07,230 --> 03:31:12,430 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, your honor. So we also reserve the right to defer cross-examination to study the documents, your honor. 1239 03:31:12,610 --> 03:31:16,890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We will afford you the time needed. Surely we cannot finish it today anymore, counsel. 1240 03:31:17,530 --> 03:31:35,110 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nevertheless, Your Honor, I just wish to put on record that there is a reservation made by the prosecution as early as during the filing of the pre-trial brief. That reservation has been carried over in the pre-trial order that was issued by the Honorable Impeachment Court. 1241 03:31:35,130 --> 03:31:44,070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Chair confirms that. That's why we are allowing it, Honorable Bistro. You may proceed with your direct if you are ready or when you're ready. 1242 03:31:44,270 --> 03:31:45,210 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Thank you, Your Honor. 1243 03:31:48,000 --> 03:31:51,290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness? Kumusta po kayo? 1244 03:31:52,100 --> 03:31:53,180 Rendell P. Sopeña: Mahayos naman po, ma'am. 1245 03:31:53,860 --> 03:31:55,380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nakakain po kayo ng tanghalian? 1246 03:31:56,290 --> 03:31:57,170 Rendell P. Sopeña: Hindi po eh. 1247 03:31:59,030 --> 03:32:05,250 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I hope you will be relaxed, no? Parang nagkwekwentuhan lang po tayo. Yes, 1248 03:32:05,250 --> 03:32:05,410 Rendell P. Sopeña: ma'am. 1249 03:32:06,990 --> 03:32:12,570 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pakisabi po, Mr. Witness, ang inyong pangalan at iba pang pagkakakilanlan. 1250 03:32:13,740 --> 03:32:26,010 Rendell P. Sopeña: Rendell Sopeña po, Division Chief of the Electronic Government Procurement Operations Division of PhilGEPS Office under the Procurement Service Department of Budget and Management, ma'am. 1251 03:32:26,800 --> 03:32:35,800 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit po ninyo itong Electronic Government Procurement Operations Division. Ano po ito, Mr. Witness? 1252 03:32:36,440 --> 03:32:55,510 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ito po ang division under the Philjep's Office who is the sole custody of the Philjep's System Database. And the division is the one who also processes the procurement request coming from internal and external stakeholders. At 1253 03:32:55,510 --> 03:33:05,010 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: gaano na po katagal kayo bilang Division Chief nitong binanggit ninyo na Electronic Government Procurement Operations Division? 1254 03:33:06,910 --> 03:33:11,270 Rendell P. Sopeña: Nagsimula po ako nung March 17, 2025 po ma'am. 1255 03:33:11,870 --> 03:33:33,080 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, for brevity, please allow this representation to use EGPOD. Prior to your position as Division Chief in EGPOD, ano pa po ang inyong naging trabaho o posisyon bago itong EGPOD kung mayroon man? 1256 03:33:33,600 --> 03:33:43,640 Rendell P. Sopeña: Before joining PSDBM under the EGPOD, I am the Information Technology Officer 2 of AFP RSVS. 1257 03:33:44,930 --> 03:33:51,470 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nabanggit po ninyo, Mr. Witness, itong AFPRSBS. Ano po ito, Mr. Witness? 1258 03:33:52,710 --> 03:33:57,890 Rendell P. Sopeña: AFPRSBS is Armed Forces of the Philippines Retirement Separation Benefit System, ma'am. 1259 03:33:59,160 --> 03:34:19,460 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Maraming salamat po sa inyong pagbabahagi ng inyong mga naging at kasalukuyang trabaho. Mr. Witness, kanina'y binanggit mo yung EGPOD. Ano po ba ang mga functions nitong tanggapang ito bilang kayo po ang Division Chief? 1260 03:34:20,140 --> 03:34:45,040 Rendell P. Sopeña: Bilang Division Chief po ng EGPOD, ako po yung buong namamahala ng EGPOD and I'm the overall custodian po ng Philjep System Database. In line with this po, ako po yung mga nag-i-issue ng certifications coming from the request of internals, and yung mga subpina and request letters na natatanggap po ng PhilJep's office. 1261 03:34:46,000 --> 03:34:57,380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ibinahagi po ninyo ang functions ng EGPOD. Ano naman po ang inyong mga responsibilities bilang division chief ng nasabing tanggapan? 1262 03:34:58,050 --> 03:35:17,750 Rendell P. Sopeña: Isa po sa pinaka-function ng division chief po is to validate yung mga data na nire-request and issue. certifications in line with the received subpoenas and requests of procurement data. 1263 03:35:18,840 --> 03:35:31,700 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Kanina po, Mr. Witness, may binanggit kayo na field JEPs. Bilang division chief, ano ho bang inyong nalalaman sa mandato ng field JEPs? 1264 03:35:33,180 --> 03:35:39,160 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang field JEPs po, under the procurement law, 1265 03:35:41,140 --> 03:36:03,380 Rendell P. Sopeña: The field job system po is aiming to promote transparency, efficiency, and the utilization of a single electronic portal which all procurement activities will be recorded. At dito po yung i-record ng lahat ng mga government agencies ang kanilang mga aktividades po for the procurement. 1266 03:36:04,250 --> 03:36:10,980 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit din po ninyo yung single electronic portal. Ano po ito, Mr. Witness? 1267 03:36:12,290 --> 03:36:43,320 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang single electronic portal po is technically isang system or a centralized system po of procurement na gagamitin po ng lahat ng mga ahensya ng mga GOCCs, LGU hanggang barangay level up to SK and mga NJAN including po rito yung mga SUCs natin. Ang mga procurement activities po nila ay dapat po nilang nire-record po dito sa naturang portal po. 1268 03:36:43,880 --> 03:36:57,900 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May binanggit po kayo na agency kasama dito sa mga gumagamit ng single electronic portal. Anong particular na mga branches ng agencies ang inyong tinutukoy? 1269 03:36:59,790 --> 03:37:06,190 Rendell P. Sopeña: Based po sa as indicated all government agencies for your LGUs po lahat po dapat 1270 03:37:07,840 --> 03:37:15,980 Rendell P. Sopeña: Executive branch up to the judiciary. Technically po, dapat lahat po ng government agencies, ma'am. 1271 03:37:16,100 --> 03:37:25,940 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit po ninyo ang executive hanggang kanyo sa barangay level. Binanggit nyo rin po ang judiciary. Paano po kaya ang kongreso? 1272 03:37:26,640 --> 03:37:27,860 Rendell P. Sopeña: Kasama rin po, ma'am. 1273 03:37:29,030 --> 03:37:37,110 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, bilang division chief pa rin ng EGPOD, ano po ang pangkaraniwan? 1274 03:37:45,750 --> 03:38:15,240 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang kadalasan po naming napapansin based po sa tao ng pagpiprepare po ng division namin ng mga statistical bulletin which is publicly po pinopost namin ito sa PhilGepps website through the open data portal. Makikita po ito. Ang statistical bulletin po na ito ay nagpapakita na ang pinaka ginagamit po na modes of procurement of the government are the small value procurement and the competitive bidding po. 1275 03:38:16,700 --> 03:38:34,430 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit nyo, Mr. Witness, yung competitive bidding. Ano-ano naman po ang mga technical documents na nai-encounter nyo pa rin? dito sa field job system. Kaugnay ng mode of procurement kung tawagin ayon sa inyo, competitive bidding. 1276 03:38:36,060 --> 03:38:56,140 Rendell P. Sopeña: For the competitive bidding, ma'am, ang technical documents that is required are the invitation to bid, bid documents, supplemental bid notice if any corrections. Kailangan rin po ng notice of award, notice to proceed, bucket resolution. 1277 03:38:57,860 --> 03:38:59,480 Rendell P. Sopeña: Contracts and Memorandum po. 1278 03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:17,300 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Kanina po, binanggit nyo din kasama dun sa mga karaniwang mode of procurement ang small value procurement. Ano-ano naman po ang mga technical documents na nai-encounter nyo sa field drip system kaugnay ng small value procurement? 1279 03:39:18,480 --> 03:39:25,780 Rendell P. Sopeña: For small value procurement po, ang mga technical documents are the request for quotation, 1280 03:39:27,370 --> 03:39:38,010 Rendell P. Sopeña: Purchase order, abstract of quotation, same po yung notice of award, notice to proceed, back resolution po. 1281 03:39:39,080 --> 03:39:54,860 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At bilang panghuli Mr. Witness sa puntong ito, bilang division chief, pakipaliwanag po sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court, paano ho ba ang actual operation ng PhilGips as a system? 1282 03:39:56,630 --> 03:41:04,400 Rendell P. Sopeña: As a system po, Ang unang kailangan pong gawin ng mga procuring entities or mga government agencies is to register po sa field job system. Upon registering, the procuring entity can create po yung mga procurement activity nila to post sa system. Yung first step na kailangan po nilang gawin is to create a bid notice. So yung bid notice po is The publication of the procurement activity. So parang similar siya with mga pinupost po sa dyaryo ng mga nasa classified ads na mas madaling makita ng publiko. Ang bid notice po is an electronic form of posting ng procurement activity kung saan po is i-encode po ng procuring entity yung mga activity ng details and mag-a-attach po ng mga attachment. And upon creation of the bid notice, This will be viewable by all public and mostly mga merchants na interesado pong sumali sa mga procurement activities ng gobyerno. 1283 03:41:05,160 --> 03:41:05,720 Rendell P. Sopeña: If 1284 03:41:05,720 --> 03:42:37,420 Rendell P. Sopeña: a merchant is willing po sila to join the activity, they should also be registered sa system natin. And upon registration, dun lang po ma-download ng mga merchants na ito or upon registering, pag naka-access na po sila sa system. They would have an access po para ma-download yung mga documents attached sa bid notice pinost ng procuring entity. And upon submission po ng mga merchants, mga interested merchants sa procurement po, magsasubmit po sila ng mga kaukulang dokumento patungkol po dun sa activity na ito. And once the procurement activity is fully conducted by the procuring entity, Ang lahat po ng mga documents, related documents, such as yung mga back resolution, notice of award, yung mga technical documents po na nabanggit kanina. To close the created bid, mag-create po uli ang government agencies which is the main to create and to close po yung bid notice. So upon creation po ng award notice naman, lahat po ng mga dokumento. It pertains to the conducted procurement activity ay kailangan po nilang i-upload sa system para po ma-fully closed yung ginawa nilang bid notice. So, to highlight ang responsibility po ng pag-upload and ang pag-encode po ng mga tamang information sa system is 1285 03:42:39,220 --> 03:43:16,630 Rendell P. Sopeña: sa nakalaan po mismo sa agency. Sila po yung mismong may responsibilidad po na gawin yung mga proseso na ito ayon sa procurement law. And once those processes are completed na po, lahat ng proseso po na ito, dito po yung nanggagaling. Lahat ng mga procurement information na naiipon po sa isang database or yung repository of procurement data. Wherein ang EGPOD po, lahat ng Nasabi ko po kanina yung mga request ng procurement data dito po sa repository of database namin na i-extract or nakukuha. 1286 03:43:17,260 --> 03:43:23,600 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For the benefit of the viewing public, Mr. Witness, sino po yung procuring entity na binanggit nyo? 1287 03:43:23,800 --> 03:43:29,420 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang procuring entity po ay ang mga gobyernang ahensya, government agents po. 1288 03:43:29,800 --> 03:43:31,320 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino naman po yung merchants? 1289 03:43:32,160 --> 03:43:47,020 Rendell P. Sopeña: Merchants are mga corporation suppliers such as kung interested to join. suppliers kunyari po IT po ang pinoprocure so yung mga IT related companies na registered po sa PhilGeps. 1290 03:43:47,500 --> 03:43:53,320 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ano po ang dahilan at inihalin tulad nyo itong PhilGeps system sa isang classified ads? 1291 03:43:57,060 --> 03:44:01,920 Rendell P. Sopeña: Hinintulad ko po siya parang sa classified kasi is the main purpose po for the 1292 03:44:03,470 --> 03:44:15,510 Rendell P. Sopeña: Information po para wider reach po yung information ng activities. Marami pong maimbitahan ng mga interested merchants to join the activity for a fair competition po ng public bidding. 1293 03:44:16,860 --> 03:44:26,720 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At bilang panghuli Mr. Witness, anong ibig sabihin mo by repository? Bakit mo tinatawag itong field rep system na isang repository? 1294 03:44:28,100 --> 03:44:49,810 Rendell P. Sopeña: Through the field rep system ma'am, dito po kasi nanggagaling ang mga Procurement data as the main mandate po ng PhilGEPS is we are the repository of the procurement data. So lahat po ng pinapasok ng mga government agencies na information pertaining to procurement data is collected to this procurement data repository. 1295 03:44:50,410 --> 03:45:09,950 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, maraming salamat sa iyong pagbabahagi tungkol sa actual operation ng PhilGEPS as a system. Dadako na tayo sa susunod. Naririto ka dahil sa subpina na na-issue ng kagalanggalang na impeachment court. Ito ba'y kinukumpirma mo? 1296 03:45:10,470 --> 03:45:11,970 Rendell P. Sopeña: Opo ma'am. At 1297 03:45:11,970 --> 03:45:17,350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: ano ang nilalaman ng subpina na na-issue ng kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 1298 03:45:18,140 --> 03:45:35,010 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang nilalaman po ng subpina is to appear today from 21 to 23. Also included sa subpina is to provide procurement documents. In relation to the merchant name, Gen Corporation Industry Inc. 1299 03:45:35,450 --> 03:45:41,590 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the record, can you say it clearly? What is the name of the company? 1300 03:45:41,870 --> 03:45:43,390 Rendell P. Sopeña: Gen Corp Industries Inc. 1301 03:45:43,970 --> 03:45:48,350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Gen Corp Industries Inc. Tama po ba, Mr. Witness? 1302 03:45:48,610 --> 03:45:50,690 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes po. Gen Corp Industries Inc. 1303 03:45:51,670 --> 03:46:00,800 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pagkatapos po ninyong matanggap itong sa pinapong ito, ano po ang inyong ginawa? kaugnay ng impeachment trial na ito. 1304 03:46:00,860 --> 03:46:29,680 Rendell P. Sopeña: Upon receiving po, we processed po yung, we searched the repository of procurement database based on the requested merchant name which is GenCorp Industry Inc. And upon search po na ginawa namin sa procurement database, it resulted to a 49 awarded contracts to GEN Corporations. 1305 03:46:29,980 --> 03:46:44,400 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit po ninyo na sa inyong pagsisurge ay nakita nyo ang 49 awarded contracts sa GEN Corp Industries Inc. Sino-sino po ang procuring entity? 1306 03:46:45,590 --> 03:47:11,330 Rendell P. Sopeña: The composition of the 49 awarded contracts are OWA. Meron pong isang contract na na-award sa OWA. Meron pong 33 contracts awarded to PhilHealth Region 11 and 15 awarded contracts to City of Davao. 1307 03:47:12,860 --> 03:47:26,960 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Bukod po sa 49 awarded contracts sa GenCorp na inyong nakita sa inyong pagsisearch, ano pa pong dokumento kung mayroon man ang inyong nakita? 1308 03:47:27,590 --> 03:47:33,930 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With your indulgence counsel, Mr. Supena, awarded to or awarded by? 1309 03:47:36,320 --> 03:47:37,940 Rendell P. Sopeña: Awarded to po sa merchant. 1310 03:47:38,580 --> 03:47:45,960 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No, you said awarded to City of Davao, awarded to OWWA, awarded to PhilHealth. 1311 03:47:45,960 --> 03:47:50,880 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes po, the procuring entity po, Your Honor. So, awarded by? I 1312 03:47:50,880 --> 03:48:02,580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: will 1313 03:48:03,000 --> 03:48:30,040 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: repeat the question. Bukod sa 49 contracts kung saan sinabi mo ang mga procuring entity ang nag-award? ay ang OWA Region 11, PhilHealth Region 11, at City of Davao LGU. Ano pa ang mga dokumentong iyong nakita kung mayroon pa? 1314 03:48:31,400 --> 03:48:47,960 Rendell P. Sopeña: As mentioned earlier po, the procuring entity's responsibility includes the uploading of the procurement-related documents. So meron po kaming mga na-download ng mga related documents pertaining to the 49 awarded contracts po. 1315 03:48:48,690 --> 03:48:59,310 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ilan po, Mr. Witness, itong tinutukoy niyo na related documents to 49 awarded contracts to GenCorp Industries, Inc.? We 1316 03:48:59,310 --> 03:49:06,070 Rendell P. Sopeña: extracted a total number of 231 documents po, ma'am. 1317 03:49:06,590 --> 03:49:13,210 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At kung itatanong ko sa iyo ang kabuang dami ng pages, ito ba'y masasabi mo din? 1318 03:49:15,300 --> 03:49:25,180 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: 49 contracts, 231 documents. May I ask, Mr. Witness, ilan ang kabuang dami ng pahina ng mga dokumentong ito? 1319 03:49:25,800 --> 03:49:38,700 Rendell P. Sopeña: Upon scanning po, so we took note of the count of the scanner, the total page of the 231 documents totaled to 480 1320 03:49:40,510 --> 03:49:44,230 Rendell P. Sopeña: 1 or 84, if I'm not mistaken, ma'am. 1321 03:49:44,530 --> 03:49:48,150 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And this includes already the 49 contracts. 1322 03:49:49,010 --> 03:49:51,050 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, just a quick manifestation, Your Honor. 1323 03:49:51,110 --> 03:49:52,630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, Attorney Robby. 1324 03:49:52,770 --> 03:50:01,430 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor, we just noticed that the witness has notes. May we just find out what those notes are, Your Honor? 1325 03:50:02,730 --> 03:50:05,680 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mr. Cepena, are you referring to notes? 1326 03:50:05,680 --> 03:50:06,250 Rendell P. Sopeña: No, sir. 1327 03:50:06,570 --> 03:50:07,410 Rendell P. Sopeña: No, Your Honor. 1328 03:50:07,570 --> 03:50:08,990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: What is that piece of paper? 1329 03:50:09,800 --> 03:50:15,040 Rendell P. Sopeña: It's just a copy of the documents. No, 1330 03:50:15,120 --> 03:50:18,740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: if these are not your notes, what document are you referring to? 1331 03:50:20,280 --> 03:50:21,260 Rendell P. Sopeña: Sorry, Your Honor, again. 1332 03:50:21,500 --> 03:50:23,180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Anong dokumento po yung tinitingnan 1333 03:50:23,180 --> 03:50:23,580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ninyo? 1334 03:50:23,580 --> 03:50:27,860 Rendell P. Sopeña: Not in relation to what I just replied from, Your Honor. 1335 03:50:28,060 --> 03:50:32,260 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: In that case, before you refer to a document, kindly ask the permission of the court. 1336 03:50:32,260 --> 03:50:33,400 Rendell P. Sopeña: Apologies, Your Honor. 1337 03:50:33,400 --> 03:50:37,100 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay lang po. Salamat. You may proceed, The Honorable Luistro. 1338 03:50:39,340 --> 03:50:47,040 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Binanggit mo na 484 ang kabuang dami ng pahina ng lahat ng dokumentong ito. Kinukumpirma mo ba ito? 1339 03:50:47,520 --> 03:50:48,520 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, ma'am. And 1340 03:50:48,520 --> 03:50:50,540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: that includes the 49 contracts already? 1341 03:50:51,180 --> 03:50:53,420 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes po, the composition of the 49 contracts. 1342 03:50:53,440 --> 03:50:53,540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Thank you. 1343 03:50:54,100 --> 03:51:06,580 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pagkatapos mong makita, masearch ang 49 contracts, 231 documents, may kabuo ang 484 pages, ano ang sunod mong ginawa kung mayroon man? 1344 03:51:08,150 --> 03:51:25,870 Rendell P. Sopeña: After printing po ng lahat ng mga documents po, the 484 documents ay isa-isa ko po itong sinertify and pinirmahan as a truthful representation po na lahat ng documents na ito ay galing po sa Philjep's repository. 1345 03:51:26,930 --> 03:51:41,050 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sinabi mo, Mr. Witness, na lahat ng dokumento iyong print, iyo ding sinertify, iyo ding pinirmahan. Bukod dito, ano pa ang iyong ginawa kung mayroon man? 1346 03:51:41,940 --> 03:52:02,280 Rendell P. Sopeña: For ease of reference po nung binabasa ko yung document. So yung extracted na electronic data that came from the repository po. So I just made a summary of these documents for easy reference lang po while I am familiarizing the information of the extracted information po. 1347 03:52:02,660 --> 03:52:08,300 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nasa saan? Itong sinasabi mong extracted information. 1348 03:52:09,600 --> 03:52:13,160 Rendell P. Sopeña: I saved it po dito if I'm allowed to. 1349 03:52:14,190 --> 03:52:15,060 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor? 1350 03:52:15,060 --> 03:52:20,210 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, you may refer to the document. Kindly identify the document. 1351 03:52:20,450 --> 03:52:27,980 Rendell P. Sopeña: Thank you, Your Honor. So, yung mga extracted file po was downloaded and saved po sa mga USP na to. 1352 03:52:28,040 --> 03:52:37,370 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May I place on record, Your Honor, that the witness is showing May I ask, Mr. Witness, what are you showing inside the plastic container? 1353 03:52:38,410 --> 03:52:44,530 Rendell P. Sopeña: Five pieces of USB thumb drive po, which the extracted data are stored po. 1354 03:52:44,770 --> 03:52:48,530 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May I ask also, what are the contents of that USB? 1355 03:52:49,070 --> 03:53:01,210 Rendell P. Sopeña: The extracted information po, the procurement data in relation to the 49 contracts na nanggaling po sa procurement data and the summary po na nagyawa ko. Nandito po. 1356 03:53:01,940 --> 03:53:17,400 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May binanggit ka din kanina na print mo ang mga dokumento kaugnay ng Procurement Documents ng GenCorp Industries, Inc. Nasa saan naman itong mga printed documents na ito? 1357 03:53:18,140 --> 03:53:22,560 Rendell P. Sopeña: May I be allowed po to get the documents? 1358 03:53:22,820 --> 03:53:23,470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, you may. 1359 03:53:23,470 --> 03:53:24,120 Rendell P. Sopeña: Thank you Your Honor. 1360 03:53:24,120 --> 03:53:24,500 Rendell P. Sopeña: you, Your Honor. 1361 03:53:35,560 --> 03:53:36,860 Rendell P. Sopeña: Repository of the field job system. 1362 03:53:37,850 --> 03:53:53,840 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: With the kind indulgence of the honorable court, since this is the first time that the prosecution will be seeing these documents, and also to give opportunity to the opposing counsel to go over the same, may I request for a 10-minute recess, Your Honor? 1363 03:53:55,860 --> 03:53:56,300 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Just 1364 03:54:00,940 --> 03:54:05,760 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: to be able to go over the documents, Your Honor, and then we will immediately proceed, Your Honor. 1365 03:54:08,780 --> 03:54:19,460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Chair declares a brief recess but kindly staying inside the court as we may give another ruling on the matter given the time. Chair declares a brief recess. 1366 04:02:01,840 --> 04:02:03,620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: During the recess, 1367 04:02:04,060 --> 04:02:58,450 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: the presiding officer in the presence of the parties inquired from the witness, Mr. Supena, if he has a summary of the documents he was mentioning earlier and he responded in the affirmative. Thus, the presiding officer gave the parties a hard copy of the summary and or table of the documents that he will be identifying given its voluminous nature. And also, the presiding officer asked what the USB contained that he was showing earlier. And he informed the parties and the presiding officer that it contained a soft copy of all the hard copies of the documents in front of him. The presiding officer gave a copy of the USB to the parties, the court, two copies to the prosecution, one for the tech. 1368 04:03:01,520 --> 04:03:17,780 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: For the record, so we can continue until perhaps 2.30 and the witness subject to cross or any objections or comments by the counsel or correspondent may continue with his testimony on the basis or based on the table and or summary he will be identifying. 1369 04:03:19,660 --> 04:03:22,440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Luistro, you may proceed when you're ready. Yes, 1370 04:03:22,460 --> 04:03:23,740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: comment 1371 04:03:23,740 --> 04:03:27,480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: or objections, Attorney Robby? 1372 04:03:27,790 --> 04:03:59,520 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Just a few comments, Your Honor. Your Honor, we confirm receipt of the USB, but of course, we have to check if it works. And second, while we confirm receipt of the summary, we just want to put on record that the same appears to be undated and is unsigned by the witness. Nor is it certified, Your Honor. So we just want to put that on record. And also, Your Honor, for the We put on record our request for copies of the documents that were printed, Your Honor, for today. We hope to receive them today, Your Honor. 1373 04:03:59,660 --> 04:04:12,600 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The hard copies that the witness has will be photocopied within the day and the court will also set through the clerk of court a date to mark the same, which 1374 04:04:14,260 --> 04:04:21,320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I believe you already have set a date for marking of documents. We just simply add this to the list of documents as you go along. 1375 04:04:22,440 --> 04:04:27,520 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. And for us to receive copies of the documents, hopefully by today, Your Honor. 1376 04:04:27,820 --> 04:04:36,180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, as earlier ruled by the Chair, you shall have a copy. And the prosecution as well will have a copy because I believe they don't have a copy as of yet. 1377 04:04:37,700 --> 04:04:41,180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Noted on your comments, Hon. Luistro, you may proceed. 1378 04:04:41,780 --> 04:04:42,680 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, please. 1379 04:04:44,850 --> 04:04:57,120 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, binanggit mo na print itong mga documents na ito na nakita mo from searching the field JEPs. System. Sino ang nag-print ng mga dokumento na iyan? 1380 04:04:58,180 --> 04:05:01,520 Rendell P. Sopeña: With the assistance of my colleagues and ako po. 1381 04:05:02,260 --> 04:05:15,280 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At binanggit mo rin na sinave sa USB lahat ng information at dokumento na iyan. Sino ang nag-save sa USB ng lahat ng dokumentong iyan from the PhilJEP system? 1382 04:05:15,840 --> 04:05:20,540 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ako po yung mga nag-save po sa 6 na USB drive po ma'am. 1383 04:05:21,020 --> 04:05:52,830 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, may I just put on record that we are requesting for the marking of the USB along with the 49 contracts and 231 documents composing of 484 pages as exhibit P, Roman numeral 2, 6, series, Your Honor. We submit that the marking will be done. After this trial before the Honorable Clerk of Court, Your Honor. 1384 04:05:53,050 --> 04:05:58,210 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Jury noted. Your Honor, we make a similar request to have our own copies marked, Your Honor. 1385 04:05:58,510 --> 04:06:00,510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Jury noted and granted. 1386 04:06:00,870 --> 04:06:10,690 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, ano itong mga dokumento na in-extract, pre-named, at ngayon ay isinasubmit mo sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 1387 04:06:11,450 --> 04:06:31,590 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ito po yung mga documents na in-upload ng procuring entity. Patungkol po sa 49 contracts. Ito po yung mga RFQ, Request for Quotation. Meron din pong kasama sa mga documents na ito ng Invitation to Bid. Yung mga Notice of Award, Back Resolution, Notice to Proceed, and Memorandum of Agreement po. 1388 04:06:35,080 --> 04:06:41,920 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, puntahan natin itong Bid Reference Number 1389 04:06:45,600 --> 04:06:51,640 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: 11959542. 1390 04:06:55,280 --> 04:07:00,680 Rendell P. Sopeña: Can I be allowed to also look at the documents, Your Honor? Yes, Mr. 1391 04:07:00,920 --> 04:07:01,920 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Cepena. Thank 1392 04:07:01,920 --> 04:07:02,940 Rendell P. Sopeña: you, Your Honor. I 1393 04:07:02,940 --> 04:07:04,240 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: stand corrected, Your Honor. 1394 04:07:04,240 --> 04:07:08,800 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: 11759542. 1395 04:07:09,400 --> 04:07:13,180 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, to clarify, is this an item in the summary, Your Honor? 1396 04:07:13,240 --> 04:07:17,320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Exactly. What are you looking at, Counsel? Referring to, rather. 1397 04:07:20,270 --> 04:07:33,910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: This is a bid reference number, Your Honor, that pertains to the... Contract which was awarded by OWA to GenCorp Industries, Inc. Your Honor, 1398 04:07:33,970 --> 04:07:34,930 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: may we ask for the 1399 04:07:34,930 --> 04:07:35,670 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: item number? 1400 04:07:39,440 --> 04:07:42,380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: 11759542. That is the bid reference number, Your Honor. 1401 04:07:43,310 --> 04:07:50,310 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, apologies. Asking for the item number, not the bid reference, Your Honor. Just for easier reference. Again, 1402 04:07:50,370 --> 04:08:10,910 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: um, um, Honorable Luistro, um, I think that's why you're referring to one of the documents that are contained in the pile on the right-hand side of the witness, not on the summary that he supposedly prepared. In fact, we haven't asked him to identify it yet. 1403 04:08:12,430 --> 04:08:13,370 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We're not yet there. 1404 04:08:17,740 --> 04:08:24,380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may ask the witness with respect to awards from OWA that may be in a summary or table if you want. 1405 04:08:24,520 --> 04:08:43,140 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I understand, Your Honor. But the number that I mentioned, Your Honor, pertain to the entire procurement process of this particular contract. So it includes all the procurement documents that has relevance to this particular contract, Your Honor. And it is in the summary, Your Honor. 1406 04:08:43,360 --> 04:08:54,500 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With your indulgence. Mr. Supena? Sa kinapal-kapal ng mga dokumentong yan at sinadinami-dami niyan at na-USB mo pa, gumawa ka ba ng summary or table? Kawag na yan? Yes, 1407 04:08:54,540 --> 04:08:54,780 Rendell P. Sopeña: Your Honor. 1408 04:08:55,040 --> 04:08:56,060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kailan niyo po ginawa? 1409 04:08:57,540 --> 04:09:02,040 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yesterday, Your Honor, upon the request to leave the vicinity early. 1410 04:09:02,400 --> 04:09:05,320 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mag-isa ka lang na gumawa niyan o may iba kang katulong na gumawa niyan? 1411 04:09:05,340 --> 04:09:07,680 Rendell P. Sopeña: With the assistance po of my colleagues under the AGPOD. 1412 04:09:08,240 --> 04:09:10,740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So, ilan po kayong gumawa niyan? 1413 04:09:11,440 --> 04:09:12,500 Rendell P. Sopeña: Tatlo po, Your Honor. 1414 04:09:12,760 --> 04:09:14,400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At ginawa niyo kahapon lamang? 1415 04:09:15,250 --> 04:09:16,890 Rendell P. Sopeña: Tinapos po namin kakapon, Your Honor, yes. 1416 04:09:17,070 --> 04:09:19,110 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At yan po yung dokumentong nasa harap niyo ngayon? 1417 04:09:19,850 --> 04:09:20,830 Rendell P. Sopeña: Correct po, Your Honor. 1418 04:09:21,010 --> 04:09:35,510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bahagi po ba ng summary o table na yan yung mga bid documents na inaward ng OWA kaugnay ng PR number 1175942? Yes, Your 1419 04:09:35,510 --> 04:09:35,710 Rendell P. Sopeña: Honor. 1420 04:09:36,150 --> 04:09:38,610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Included po. Your witness, Honorable Luistro. 1421 04:09:38,730 --> 04:09:54,270 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the records, Your Honor, the number that I mentioned pertain both to the file name in the USB submitted by the witness and to the bid reference number of this particular contract. Your Honor. Mr. Witness, may I proceed, Your Honor? Please 1422 04:09:54,270 --> 04:09:54,850 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: proceed, Counsel. 1423 04:09:55,190 --> 04:10:22,070 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, I will be showing you documents relevant to this particular bid reference number. Can you please, this document is entitled Request for Quotation. Can you please tell us ano ang kaugnayan? ng dokumentong ito sa mga dokumento na isinasubmit mo ngayon sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court. 1424 04:10:23,340 --> 04:10:25,480 Rendell P. Sopeña: Apologies, medyo malabo po yung mata ko eh, Ken. 1425 04:10:26,690 --> 04:10:29,650 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May we request your honor that assisting counsel, 1426 04:10:32,220 --> 04:10:34,540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Attorney Tricia Soon... Assisting 1427 04:10:34,540 --> 04:10:40,810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel from both parties may approach. And Tech, can you kindly zoom in? 1428 04:10:47,060 --> 04:10:52,080 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May she be allowed, your honor, to show it in the laptop so that it will be more readable. 1429 04:10:56,040 --> 04:11:08,800 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I will repeat the question, Mr. Witness. Ano po ang kaugnayan nitong request for quotation na ito sa mga procurement documents ng GenCorp Industries Incorporated na isinasubmit niyo ngayon sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 1430 04:11:09,540 --> 04:11:18,360 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang request for quotation po nito ay ang printed na ginawa po namin kaugnay po sa na-hour na contract with the OWA po, ma'am. 1431 04:11:18,480 --> 04:11:22,180 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: So, you confirm na kasama po yan sa mga submissions niyo? 1432 04:11:22,400 --> 04:11:24,920 Rendell P. Sopeña: This is included po in the submission, yes. 1433 04:11:25,340 --> 04:11:31,600 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ang sunod ko pong ipapakita sa inyo na dokumento ay may pamagat namang memorandum of agreement. 1434 04:11:37,970 --> 04:11:48,910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Maaari niyo bang sabihin sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court, ano po ang kaugnayan ng dokumentong ipinapakita sa inyo sa inyong mga sinusumiting dokumento ngayon dito sa impeachment court? 1435 04:11:49,740 --> 04:11:55,980 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ang memorandum of agreement po nito ay isa rin po sa mga print at prepare po namin na dokumento. 1436 04:11:56,140 --> 04:12:02,760 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the record, Mr. Witness, sino-sino po ang contracting parties dito sa memorandum of agreement na ito? 1437 04:12:04,800 --> 04:12:22,390 Rendell P. Sopeña: The contract is between Overseas Workers Welfare Administration, Regional Welfare Office, Region 11, and the Jollibee Bolton Corporation under the Gen Corporation Industry Inc., a franchise of Jollibee Food Corporations, ma'am. 1438 04:12:23,140 --> 04:12:26,100 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, binanggit niyo po yung Jollibee. 1439 04:12:27,640 --> 04:12:33,780 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Jollibee Bolton. Ito ho ba yung Jollibee na alam nating lahat? 1440 04:12:33,980 --> 04:12:36,560 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Objection, Your Honor. You would be incompetent to answer that. 1441 04:12:36,920 --> 04:12:38,460 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: If he knows, Your Honor. 1442 04:12:38,820 --> 04:12:41,100 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I am 1443 04:12:41,100 --> 04:12:42,020 Rendell P. Sopeña: not familiar, Your Honor. 1444 04:12:44,670 --> 04:12:46,870 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Already answered, counsel. Move on. 1445 04:12:50,170 --> 04:12:56,350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, puntahan po natin yung huling bahagi ng Memorandum of Agreement. 1446 04:12:58,960 --> 04:13:06,130 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino po ang contracting parties kung saan? May lagda na ipinapakita sa dokumentong iyan. 1447 04:13:07,310 --> 04:13:10,470 Rendell P. Sopeña: The signature of Expo is my own signature, ma'am. 1448 04:13:12,490 --> 04:13:13,830 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Contracting parties, Mr. Witness. 1449 04:13:14,030 --> 04:13:16,720 Rendell P. Sopeña: Apologies. Contracting parties. 1450 04:13:17,620 --> 04:13:22,220 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, objection, Your Honor. He would be incompetent to identify those signatures, Your Honor. 1451 04:13:22,560 --> 04:13:27,960 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: On the basis, Your Honor, of what he sees from the documents. Precisely, Your Honor. How would he know? 1452 04:13:28,580 --> 04:13:32,380 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The question, Counsel, your question is whose signatures appear? 1453 04:13:33,150 --> 04:13:34,610 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: If I may rephrase, Your Honor? 1454 04:13:34,850 --> 04:13:35,890 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may rephrase, counsel. 1455 04:13:36,090 --> 04:13:41,650 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino ang mga contracting parties dito sa huling bahagi ng memorandum of agreement na ito? 1456 04:13:42,180 --> 04:13:45,100 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, the document would speak for itself, Your Honor. 1457 04:13:45,940 --> 04:13:47,520 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Noted, counsel. Witness may answer. 1458 04:13:50,770 --> 04:13:52,790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly read from the document for the record. 1459 04:13:53,690 --> 04:14:10,920 Rendell P. Sopeña: Gina Mae Quimora, officer in charge of the Overseas Workers Welfare Administration Regional Welfare Office. Region 11, and Jollibee Bolton, signed by Zeegar Z. Izario, Managing Director, Your Honor. 1460 04:14:12,100 --> 04:14:17,040 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nabanggit po ulit yung Jollibee Bolton. Again, Mr. Witness, ito ho 1461 04:14:17,040 --> 04:14:18,380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: ba yung Jollibee na alam ng 1462 04:14:18,380 --> 04:14:19,520 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: lahat ng Pilipino? 1463 04:14:19,680 --> 04:14:22,100 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, same objection as in answered and competent. 1464 04:14:24,040 --> 04:14:25,580 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I will move on, Your Honor. 1465 04:14:27,900 --> 04:14:42,630 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Puntahan naman po natin ngayon. Ang LGU BID reference number 10208635 na may kagaya pong numero ng file name dito sa ating summary at USB. 1466 04:14:46,600 --> 04:14:56,420 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Pinapakita ko po sa inyo isang dokumentong may pamagat na request for quotation. Ano pong kaugnayan ng dokumentong ito sa 1467 04:14:58,280 --> 04:15:01,760 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: mga sinusumiti nyo ngayon sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 1468 04:15:04,890 --> 04:15:05,590 Rendell P. Sopeña: May 1469 04:15:05,590 --> 04:15:12,870 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: we request your honor that attorney Mico be allowed to show what appears in the screen of the laptop. 1470 04:15:14,970 --> 04:15:15,450 Rendell P. Sopeña: It's a 1471 04:15:15,450 --> 04:15:20,130 Rendell P. Sopeña: request for quotation for catering services po. 1472 04:15:21,570 --> 04:15:24,290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino po ang procuring entity dito? 1473 04:15:24,840 --> 04:15:28,780 Rendell P. Sopeña: The indicated procuring entity po is the city of Davao, Davao del Sur. 1474 04:15:30,590 --> 04:15:32,350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sino naman po ang na-awarda ng 1475 04:15:32,350 --> 04:15:35,310 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: merchant dito sa procurement na ito? 1476 04:15:42,760 --> 04:15:44,840 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I'm sorry, I will rephrase, Your Honor. 1477 04:15:47,040 --> 04:15:55,960 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: This is a request for quotation. Are there merchants mentioned in this particular document, Mr. Witness? 1478 04:15:56,640 --> 04:16:05,120 Rendell P. Sopeña: The initial presented document basically contains po yung requesting procurement activity coming from the procuring entity, Ma'am. 1479 04:16:05,770 --> 04:16:17,330 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Thank you. But I understand that this is part of the bid reference number 10208635 where a notice of award was issued likewise. Do you confirm? 1480 04:16:17,830 --> 04:16:18,310 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, madam. 1481 04:16:18,490 --> 04:16:24,750 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And from that notice of award, can you please tell this honorable court? Kanino na award ang kontratang ito? Your 1482 04:16:24,750 --> 04:16:29,090 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Honor, objection, Your Honor. No notice of award has been shown to the witness so far, Your Honor. 1483 04:16:29,700 --> 04:16:32,040 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: It was mentioned already by the witness, Your Honor. 1484 04:16:32,100 --> 04:16:35,300 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor, but it was not identified by the witness yet, Your Honor. 1485 04:16:35,420 --> 04:16:44,560 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Nevertheless, Your Honor, that's among the submissions of the witness, which he testified earlier, he printed, he certified, and he's now submitting to the court. 1486 04:16:44,720 --> 04:16:49,480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We don't know yet that, Counsel. With the permission of the parties, is that part of your summary? 1487 04:16:50,200 --> 04:16:50,960 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 1488 04:16:52,120 --> 04:17:14,920 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If possible, Honorable Luistro, can you refer to the summary and or table? I think the 1489 04:17:14,920 --> 04:17:32,910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: prosecution can... Make reference with the use of the laptop, Your Honor, which we can share in the big screen for the appreciation of the Honorable Senator-Judges and the viewing public, Your Honor. I believe this is very significant, Your Honor, so I hope we can allow the witness to testify on this. 1490 04:17:35,250 --> 04:17:44,070 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ito mo bang pinapakita, ginawang sabihin niya, bahagi nung nasa makapal na papel dyan sa kanang bahagi ninyo? 1491 04:17:44,250 --> 04:17:44,930 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 1492 04:17:46,730 --> 04:17:48,790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bahagi yan sa nakapaloob dun sa USB? 1493 04:17:49,190 --> 04:17:49,890 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 1494 04:17:50,670 --> 04:17:52,530 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bahagi din yan ng summary ninyo? 1495 04:17:53,050 --> 04:17:54,770 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. Opo. 1496 04:17:54,870 --> 04:17:58,650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So is it possible for you to testify based 1497 04:18:03,100 --> 04:18:04,940 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: on your summary 1498 04:18:04,940 --> 04:18:06,400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: by looking at this document? 1499 04:18:08,810 --> 04:18:12,670 Rendell P. Sopeña: With the familiarity of the documents that I prepared just recently, yes, Your Honor. 1500 04:18:13,330 --> 04:18:23,150 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If you're familiar but if you're not, kindly indicate as well. I'll give her some leeway, counsel. In the meantime, objection is overruled. You may continue, counsel. 1501 04:18:24,930 --> 04:18:43,310 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, balikan natin yung request for quotation. Ano ang description ng mga items na subject ng procurement process? May I request, Attorney Mico, Your Honor, that he be allowed to show the witness the document through the laptop. 1502 04:18:44,150 --> 04:18:49,630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Standing authority has already been given to assisting counsels. To approach the witness. 1503 04:18:58,920 --> 04:19:08,270 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the records, Your Honor, may we request the witness to please read the description from this document, Your Honor. Request for quotation. 1504 04:19:09,860 --> 04:19:17,320 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, before proceeding, may we just know if what the witness is reading is the same as what is slashed on the screen? We 1505 04:19:17,320 --> 04:19:17,540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: confirm, 1506 04:19:17,760 --> 04:19:18,060 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor. 1507 04:19:19,900 --> 04:19:25,120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It should be the same. Your assisting counsel and the part of the respondent should be able to confirm that as well. 1508 04:19:26,890 --> 04:19:28,990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We'll know soon enough as soon as he reads it. 1509 04:19:34,430 --> 04:19:38,670 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: In that case, good question, Attorney Robby. It seems to be not the same. 1510 04:19:54,490 --> 04:20:04,370 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May we request, Your Honor, the witness to read for purposes of the record the description of the item of this particular procurement document. 1511 04:20:07,730 --> 04:20:11,410 Rendell P. Sopeña: Based on the shown here po sa laptop, the description is 1512 04:20:13,140 --> 04:20:44,690 Rendell P. Sopeña: the fourth quarter of 2023, ka-25 food. and catering services. One lot meal and snacks without venue October 27, 2023 for 200 packs at 180 pesos per pack. Menu, breakfast, breakfast hot dog, breakfast beefsteak, 350 ml, bottle of water and served with ketchup. Menu, 1513 04:20:44,910 --> 04:20:48,610 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: lunch. Honorable Bistro, you have to forgive me. 1514 04:20:52,820 --> 04:20:56,080 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: This contract is for 50,000 and you're talking about ketchup. 1515 04:20:59,530 --> 04:21:01,910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: This is in line, Your Honor, with... I agree, 1516 04:21:02,070 --> 04:21:19,810 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel. I'm not even aware. Although VP Sara mentioned GenCorp in her salon, you presented a witness that said she's not a stockholder of GenCorp. I'm giving you a lot of leeway here, okay? And we're now going through documents. 1517 04:21:21,330 --> 04:21:33,790 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: From Phil Jeffs that awarded a contract for 56,000 to a corporation that according to your previous witness, the respondent is not a stockholder of. 1518 04:21:35,740 --> 04:21:39,440 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So you have to understand the court's slight... 1519 04:21:39,440 --> 04:21:40,280 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I 1520 04:21:40,690 --> 04:21:42,470 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: understand, Your Honor, but... 1521 04:21:42,470 --> 04:21:47,490 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Impatience with respect to this document if you will do this with the rest. 1522 04:21:48,690 --> 04:22:11,650 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We have only few documents to be shown to the impeachment court. That is only to give opportunity to the viewing public, including the senator-judges, to understand what these procurement documents are being referred to are all about, Your Honor. I have only five documents to show, Your Honor. 1523 04:22:11,790 --> 04:22:20,850 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: According to the Senate President, he totaled it. And I know him to be good in math. It totals 35 million. All the 40... 1524 04:22:20,850 --> 04:22:29,390 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. And the documents which are being presented are part of the 35 million total amount of contract of GenCorp. 1525 04:22:29,570 --> 04:22:34,250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: But can we skip the description of the ketchup and the maize and the snacks? 1526 04:22:34,710 --> 04:22:36,950 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. We will do this very quick, Your Honor. And 1527 04:22:36,950 --> 04:22:38,030 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: the hotdog too, Mr. 1528 04:22:38,230 --> 04:22:38,470 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Witness. 1529 04:22:38,950 --> 04:22:40,110 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Luis Rey, may proceed. 1530 04:22:40,750 --> 04:22:48,150 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Can you just read the menu for lunch? Your Honor, sorry, Your Honor. Just for the last item of this particular document, Mr. 1531 04:22:48,190 --> 04:22:48,670 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Witness. Your Honor, the 1532 04:22:48,670 --> 04:22:51,550 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: court already made the ruling to skip this portion of the document. 1533 04:22:52,510 --> 04:23:00,900 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Again, at Honorable Bistro, let's skip the hotdog and the chicken joy and the ketchup. We submit, Your 1534 04:23:00,900 --> 04:23:02,080 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Honor. I will move on. 1535 04:23:02,520 --> 04:23:03,700 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Please move on, Counsel. 1536 04:23:05,770 --> 04:23:28,820 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Now, let us proceed to LGU bid reference number 11495158 with a similar file number in the USB and in the summary prepared by the witness. I'm showing you a document, the title of which is Invitation to Bid. Ano pong kaugnayan ito sa mga submissions niyo sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court? 1537 04:23:40,670 --> 04:23:41,850 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Can't you read, sir? 1538 04:23:42,270 --> 04:23:44,670 Rendell P. Sopeña: Medyo malabo po, ma'am. Apologies po. 1539 04:23:46,380 --> 04:23:52,100 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: The question po is ano pong kaugnayan ng dokumentong yan sa inyong mga isinasubmit ngayon sa impeachment court? 1540 04:23:52,990 --> 04:24:01,210 Rendell P. Sopeña: The shown document here, ma'am, the invitation to bid po is included in the prepared documents, ma'am. 1541 04:24:04,780 --> 04:24:16,420 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I'll be moving to the next document. I'm showing another document, the title of which is notice of award. Ano naman pong kaugnayan nito dun sa mga submissions nyo sa kagalang-galang na impeachment court? 1542 04:24:20,490 --> 04:24:21,490 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Notice of award. 1543 04:24:26,380 --> 04:24:31,940 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, may we know which notice of award because there might be multiple notices of award. 1544 04:24:32,120 --> 04:24:41,880 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, we have given already the bid reference number and there is only one contract for every reference number. It's 11-49-5158. 1545 04:24:44,440 --> 04:24:48,900 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ano po ang kaugnayan ng notice of award sa inyong mga submissions sa impeachment court? 1546 04:24:50,220 --> 04:25:00,840 Rendell P. Sopeña: The notice of award po is included in the documents and this indicates that this was awarded to Gencor, Industries Inc. 1547 04:25:02,610 --> 04:25:14,350 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ipinapakita ko din po sa inyo isa pang dokumento na may titulong Award Notice Abstract. Ano naman pong kaugnayan nito sa mga sinusumiti nyo ngayon sa Impeachment Court? 1548 04:25:15,470 --> 04:25:34,130 Rendell P. Sopeña: As the walkthrough kanina po, ito po yung nagkoclose ng procurement activity ng mga procuring entities sa FJEP system by creating the notice of award through the system. Ito po yung final document na pinaprepare sa Felgep System, ma'am. 1549 04:25:34,410 --> 04:25:39,490 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At sino po ang merchant na na-awarda ng kontratang ito ayon sa dokumentong iyan? 1550 04:25:40,120 --> 04:25:45,500 Rendell P. Sopeña: The contract was awarded to GenCorp Industries Inc., ma'am. 1551 04:25:47,720 --> 04:25:53,000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At ito po ba yung Jollibee na Bolton Branch, Mr. Witness? Your Honor, same objection, Your Honor. 1552 04:25:53,000 --> 04:25:53,220 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: If you 1553 04:25:53,220 --> 04:25:56,240 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: can check it in the document, Mr. Witness. Your 1554 04:25:56,240 --> 04:26:00,200 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Honor, the court has already made a ruling on this line of questioning, Your Honor. 1555 04:26:01,960 --> 04:26:06,760 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's not the ketchup. It's the corporation. It's not the chicken, counsel. 1556 04:26:06,760 --> 04:26:06,761 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Yes, Your Honor. It's not the ketchup. 1557 04:26:06,880 --> 04:26:09,860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's the corporation. No, not the chicken. It's the corporation. 1558 04:26:10,340 --> 04:26:10,840 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. 1559 04:26:11,000 --> 04:26:14,330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may answer? Can you repeat the question? 1560 04:26:14,490 --> 04:26:15,950 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ito ba'y tumutukoy doon sa 1561 04:26:15,950 --> 04:26:17,450 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Jollibee-Bolton branch? 1562 04:26:21,360 --> 04:26:26,320 Rendell P. Sopeña: Based on the documents, an address is only indicated as a Bolton street. 1563 04:26:26,990 --> 04:26:27,990 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Bolton Street. 1564 04:26:28,530 --> 04:26:29,030 Rendell P. Sopeña: Your 1565 04:26:29,030 --> 04:26:35,810 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Honor, ito po'y chineko sa Google Map at ito po'y tatlong minuto lamang ang layo sa Davao City Hall. 1566 04:26:36,310 --> 04:26:39,770 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, may we move to strike the manifestations of counsel? 1567 04:26:40,630 --> 04:26:43,770 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel cannot supply facts. We 1568 04:26:43,770 --> 04:26:45,070 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: understand, Your Honor. We will move 1569 04:26:45,070 --> 04:26:47,350 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: on. So stricken of the record. We 1570 04:26:47,350 --> 04:26:48,290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: submit, Your Honor. Move on, 1571 04:26:48,390 --> 04:26:48,630 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: counsel. 1572 04:26:51,180 --> 04:26:56,280 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Puntahan naman po natin yung tinukoy nyo kanina na 1573 04:27:05,810 --> 04:27:06,410 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. 1574 04:27:14,250 --> 04:27:23,230 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Witness, ano pong kaugnayan ng dokumentong ipinapakita sa inyo ngayon doon sa Excel file na inyong in-extract, print in, sinertify? 1575 04:27:23,850 --> 04:27:29,390 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, misleading. I don't think the witness has identified any Excel file earlier. 1576 04:27:30,090 --> 04:27:35,090 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Are you referring to the table or summary, Honorable Uyistro? I am referring, 1577 04:27:35,270 --> 04:27:47,360 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, to the Excel file extracted from the PhilGEPs itself. That is prior to the summary that was prepared by the witness himself. 1578 04:27:49,220 --> 04:27:50,420 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That's not his summary. 1579 04:27:52,280 --> 04:27:53,880 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: It is an Excel file. 1580 04:27:54,860 --> 04:27:57,120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, but that's not the summary that 1581 04:27:57,120 --> 04:28:00,360 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: he has. Yes, it's not yet the summary, Your Honor. It's not yet the summary. 1582 04:28:02,640 --> 04:28:04,400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mr. Supena, you 1583 04:28:04,400 --> 04:28:05,490 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: have that? 1584 04:28:05,490 --> 04:28:10,690 Rendell P. Sopeña: The shown file po is included in the provided printout, Your Honor. 1585 04:28:10,690 --> 04:28:12,050 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Not in the summary? 1586 04:28:12,050 --> 04:28:20,510 Rendell P. Sopeña: It's included in the summary, Your Honor, is the summary list of all the documents included in the submission. 1587 04:28:21,070 --> 04:28:23,510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Anong kinalaman ng summary sa Excel file? 1588 04:28:25,900 --> 04:28:40,870 Rendell P. Sopeña: The shown file po is the, as mentioned earlier, Your Honor, is the summary of the extracted Excel file that came from the Repository database for my easy viewing po based dun sa na-extract pong 1589 04:28:40,870 --> 04:28:44,040 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So kasama yan sa summary niyong hawak ngayon? 1590 04:28:44,040 --> 04:28:49,080 Rendell P. Sopeña: Hindi. Included po dito yan, Your Honor, yung pinapakita po ngayon sa screen. 1591 04:28:49,080 --> 04:28:50,480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kasama dyan sa summary niyo? 1592 04:28:50,480 --> 04:28:51,190 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes po. 1593 04:28:51,190 --> 04:28:51,510 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. 1594 04:28:52,140 --> 04:28:54,300 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may proceed, counsel. Mr. 1595 04:28:54,420 --> 04:28:54,680 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Witness, 1596 04:28:54,860 --> 04:28:56,400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Anong 1597 04:28:56,400 --> 04:29:10,880 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: kaugnayan ng Excel file na ipinapakita sa iyo ngayon? Doon sa excel file na tinukoy mo kanina, in-extract, print in, sinave sa USB, at ngayon ay sinusumiti mo sa kagalanggalang na impeachment court. 1598 04:29:11,240 --> 04:29:18,460 Rendell P. Sopeña: Ito po yung summary na list na ginawa ko and pinagwahiwalay ko po lang yung tatlo for my easy reference lang po. 1599 04:29:18,640 --> 04:29:29,140 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At pagkatapos mong ma-extract, ma-print, at ma-certify, ma-save sa USB, yung excel file na yan. Ano pa? Ang iyong ginawa kung mayroon man. 1600 04:29:29,380 --> 04:29:56,240 Rendell P. Sopeña: For easy study and reference po. Kasi upon extraction, kung mabibiyo po, makikita naman po sa provided na USB. Yung tab po dyan, meron pong extracted data na tab kung makikita po nyo. Ayan po yung directly extracted from the data without any intervention of encoding talaga pong diretso ng system. Yes. Kaso iba yung nandun. 1601 04:29:57,510 --> 04:29:59,910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: You're saying Mr. Witness that this ex- 1602 04:30:02,620 --> 04:30:03,100 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: The 1603 04:30:03,100 --> 04:30:05,880 Rendell P. Sopeña: last tab po madam, not this one. 1604 04:30:09,110 --> 04:30:10,290 Rendell P. Sopeña: This one with the 1605 04:30:10,290 --> 04:30:10,950 Rendell P. Sopeña: same tab name. 1606 04:30:12,030 --> 04:30:12,510 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: If 1607 04:30:12,510 --> 04:30:25,910 Rendell P. Sopeña: the shown in the screen and in the laptop are the same, yes. With the exact tab name po, extracted raw data of September. That's the extracted data directly generated. 1608 04:30:26,110 --> 04:30:26,770 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Are they the same? 1609 04:30:29,800 --> 04:30:31,300 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Assisting counsel, are they the same? 1610 04:30:32,460 --> 04:30:33,340 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: The title name. 1611 04:30:33,440 --> 04:30:34,280 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The tab. 1612 04:30:34,460 --> 04:30:38,400 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: The tab name is the same, Your Honor. 1613 04:30:38,950 --> 04:30:39,590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. 1614 04:30:41,060 --> 04:30:44,500 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And after you extracted this Excel file, what did you do? 1615 04:30:44,880 --> 04:30:55,800 Rendell P. Sopeña: I just made the summarization po based on the shown different tabs po as title name, PhilHealth, City of Davao, OWWA, and the summary per year po. 1616 04:30:56,660 --> 04:31:08,650 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And I'll be showing you a summary of OWA. Can you tell us if this is the same summary that you are referring to? The OWA procurement? 1617 04:31:19,110 --> 04:31:22,790 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, madam. This is the OWA procurement which awarded 100. And 1618 04:31:22,790 --> 04:31:23,150 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: for purposes 1619 04:31:23,150 --> 04:31:25,530 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: of the record, Mr. Witness, who is the procuring entity? 1620 04:31:26,110 --> 04:31:31,950 Rendell P. Sopeña: The procuring entity is Overseas Worker Welfare Administration, Region 11, Your Honor. 1621 04:31:32,130 --> 04:31:35,290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And who is the awarded merchant? 1622 04:31:35,910 --> 04:31:38,310 Rendell P. Sopeña: The awarded merchant is GenCorp 1623 04:31:38,310 --> 04:31:39,995 Rendell P. Sopeña: Industries, Inc. 1624 04:31:39,995 --> 04:31:45,120 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: How much is the awarded contract? How much is the amount of the awarded contract? 1625 04:31:45,500 --> 04:31:49,640 Rendell P. Sopeña: For the amount of the contract is 330,000 pesos ma'am. 1626 04:31:49,680 --> 04:31:54,600 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And for purposes of the record, can you cite the bid reference number indicated in your summary? 1627 04:31:54,920 --> 04:32:01,100 Rendell P. Sopeña: The indicated bid reference number is 11759542. 1628 04:32:01,760 --> 04:32:04,860 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ano bang kahalagahan nitong bid reference number na ito? 1629 04:32:05,940 --> 04:32:14,450 Rendell P. Sopeña: The bid reference number is the unique generated Identifier po nung bid activity na ito sa PhilJEP system. 1630 04:32:16,090 --> 04:32:31,630 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Maraming salamat po. Puntahan naman po natin itong isa pang dokumento kung saan makikita ang pangalang PhilHealth Corporation Region 11. Ano pong kaugnayan ito doon sa summary pa rin na tinukoy nyo kanina lamang? So, 1631 04:32:31,670 --> 04:32:44,160 Rendell P. Sopeña: coming from the extracted data po na nanggaling po sa repository, I just summarize po lahat po ng PhilHealth-awarded contracts for easy referencing lang po. 1632 04:32:44,420 --> 04:32:47,780 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: For purposes of the record, sino po ang procuring entity? 1633 04:32:48,180 --> 04:32:49,440 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, Your Honor. 1634 04:32:50,200 --> 04:32:51,400 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, Attorney Robby. 1635 04:32:51,480 --> 04:33:00,660 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. May we, at this point, we have to object based on relevance, Your Honor. May we know the purpose of the line of questioning, Your Honor? 1636 04:33:01,120 --> 04:33:02,840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly respond, Honorable Lewistrom. 1637 04:33:02,880 --> 04:33:03,020 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: In 1638 04:33:03,020 --> 04:33:03,540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: relation to 1639 04:33:03,540 --> 04:33:04,320 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Article 2. 1640 04:33:04,580 --> 04:33:36,400 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, the table shows... Or the summary shows the contracts awarded by PhilHealth Region 11 to GenCorp Industries, Inc. And we will remember, Your Honor, that no less than the respondent herself made a declaration in the Salen to be particular 2024 and 2025, that this is one of the companies Where she maintains business and financial interests 1641 04:33:36,400 --> 04:33:36,780 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, I 1642 04:33:36,780 --> 04:33:46,840 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: apologize, Your Honor, but right now, Your Honor, we have to cut off the prosecutor with all due respect. This is already covered by the ruling of the court not to make conclusions of law or fact, Your Honor. I'm 1643 04:33:46,840 --> 04:33:48,000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: not making a conclusion 1644 04:33:48,000 --> 04:33:48,180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: of fact or law. 1645 04:33:48,860 --> 04:33:53,120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Allow her to finish. Kindly finish, Honorable Luistra, before I make my ruling. 1646 04:33:54,820 --> 04:33:55,900 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: May I proceed, Your Honor? 1647 04:33:56,200 --> 04:34:00,180 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No, kindly finish with your response to the objection. 1648 04:34:00,600 --> 04:34:49,160 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor, this is not a conclusion of fact. As a matter of fact, I wish to invoke mandatory judicial notice that the Honorable Impeachment Court heard already our witness from the Ombudsman which testified or who testified on the 2024 SAL-N and the 2025 SAL-N where the Respondent Vice President herself declared that she is a shareholder of GenCorp Industries, Inc. The admission came from the Respondent herself. And I wish to invoke the jurisprudence, Your Honor, which says that admission must be given greater weight. And it, in fact, throws the burden of proving that it is a mistake to the person who made such declaration or admission, Your Honor. 1649 04:34:57,510 --> 04:35:22,950 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Number 2, Your Honor, the court already made a ruling and even a finding that questions asked to GenCorp are appears to be irrelevant and that the burden is on the prosecution to show the relevance right now, Your Honor. And so far, Your Honor, they still have not shown the relevance of this line of questioning in relation to GenCorp, Your Honor. May I add something, Your Honor? 1650 04:35:23,090 --> 04:35:29,660 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor, please. PhilHealth is the last agency, correct? The City of Davao is 1651 04:35:29,660 --> 04:35:31,000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: the last agency, Your Honor. 1652 04:35:31,100 --> 04:35:32,540 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ah, you're not yet done with the City of Davao? 1653 04:35:32,600 --> 04:36:01,790 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: That is for the summary, Your Honor. But just to put on record, Your Honor, please be reminded that the last subsection of Article 2 of the Articles of Impeachment on Unexplained Wealth is non-divestment of other business and financial interests. And it is along this line that we are showing the participation of the respondent By way of the evidence being presented, Your Honor, with respect to GenCorp Industries Inc., Your Honor. 1654 04:36:01,950 --> 04:36:08,750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let's allow her to finish, Atty. Robby. Kindly finish with this, Hon. Luis Troll. 1655 04:36:09,790 --> 04:36:18,380 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness, sino po ang merchants na na-awardan ng kontrata ng PhilHealth Insurance Corporation Region 11? 1656 04:36:19,240 --> 04:36:20,980 Rendell P. Sopeña: GenCorp Industries Inc., Ma'am. 1657 04:36:21,550 --> 04:36:32,910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ilan po ang kabuoang kontrata na naiaward ng PhilHealth Insurance Corporation Region 11 sa GenCorp Industries Inc.? 33. 1658 04:36:34,560 --> 04:36:35,540 Rendell P. Sopeña: At 1659 04:36:35,930 --> 04:36:45,870 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: gaano naman po ang kabuoang halaga nitong 33 contracts na inaward ng PhilHealth Region 11 sa GenCorp Industries Inc.? 1660 04:36:45,870 --> 04:36:51,790 Rendell P. Sopeña: Total of 1,331,288 pesos. 1661 04:36:52,540 --> 04:37:01,680 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Maraming salamat, Mr. Witness. Puntahan natin yung huling summary na iyong ginawa, kung saan makikita naman natin ang pangalang City of the Vow. 1662 04:37:03,450 --> 04:37:12,970 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Ano po ang kaugnayan nitong summary nito doon sa tinukoy nyo kaninang mga ginawa nyong summary na isinusumiti nyo rin ngayon sa kagalagalang na impeachment court? 1663 04:37:14,250 --> 04:37:18,770 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yung summary po, base lang ng lahat na award po with the City of the Vow. 1664 04:37:19,750 --> 04:37:23,090 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At sino po ang procuring entity for purposes of the record? 1665 04:37:23,530 --> 04:37:26,530 Rendell P. Sopeña: The procuring entity is the City of Dabao, ma'am. At 1666 04:37:26,530 --> 04:37:27,990 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: sino po ang inawarda na 1667 04:37:27,990 --> 04:37:30,370 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: merchant nitong mga kontratang ito? 1668 04:37:31,760 --> 04:37:34,900 Rendell P. Sopeña: The GenCorp Industry Inc., ma'am. 1669 04:37:40,330 --> 04:37:53,020 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Mr. Witness from this table, and I hope attorneys soon can assist, I wish to invite your attention to bid reference number 9126729. 1670 04:37:55,500 --> 04:38:05,060 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Magkano po ang halaga ng kontrata na inaward ng City of Davao sa GenCorp Industries Inc.? A 1671 04:38:05,600 --> 04:38:10,960 Rendell P. Sopeña: total of 5,143,500 pesos ma. 1672 04:38:11,600 --> 04:38:19,300 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Puntahan naman po natin from this summary. Bid reference number 100-177-88. 1673 04:38:21,260 --> 04:38:29,880 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Magkano po ang kabuang halaga ng kontrata na inaward? ng City of Davao sa GenCorp Industries, Inc. 1674 04:38:35,730 --> 04:38:50,910 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Puntahan naman po natin ang bid reference number 1149-5158. Magkano po ang kabuang halaga ng kontrata na inaward ng City of Davao LGU sa GenCorp Industries, Inc.? 1675 04:38:54,410 --> 04:39:03,430 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: The prosecutor to specify the year in her question, Your Honor. As stated in the document, Your Honor. Just so the question and the answer would be more accurate. 1676 04:39:03,750 --> 04:39:15,230 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We will proceed to that, Your Honor. The question is qualified by bid reference number and there is only one contract that corresponds to the bid reference number. That is for the guidance of the defense. If I 1677 04:39:15,230 --> 04:39:16,550 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: may, counsel. 1678 04:39:18,090 --> 04:39:21,250 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: All of these bids and awards 1679 04:39:22,800 --> 04:39:36,330 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: by the City of Davao, by OWA, and PhilHealth. All of these happened during the term of the respondent as Vice President. Do you confirm, Honorable Istro? 1680 04:39:37,280 --> 04:39:38,560 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We confirm, Your Honor. 1681 04:39:38,840 --> 04:39:43,740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: None of them pertain to awards that happened prior to her term as Vice President. 1682 04:39:44,000 --> 04:39:44,920 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We confirm that, 1683 04:39:44,940 --> 04:39:52,510 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Your Honor. So this is all from what I have. The dates cover July 21, 2020. 1684 04:39:54,260 --> 04:39:54,660 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 32 1685 04:39:54,660 --> 04:39:55,060 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: up 1686 04:39:55,350 --> 04:40:06,750 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: to June 23, 2026. I think that would be sufficient identification, Atty. Robby. For the meantime, that we don't have a copy yet. 1687 04:40:06,950 --> 04:40:08,300 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: If I may be recognized Your Honor? 1688 04:40:08,300 --> 04:40:08,650 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Of course. 1689 04:40:08,650 --> 04:40:09,440 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Thank you, Your Honor. 1690 04:40:09,440 --> 04:40:22,400 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: So, just a short manifestation, Your Honor. So, it is clear, Your Honor, that these contracts were awarded. During the time that the vice president was not in the city of Davao anymore, Your Honor. Just a brief manifestation. 1691 04:40:22,400 --> 04:40:32,340 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, but on the reverse, Attorney Robby, if she was still the mayor, I would not have allowed it because it would have been irrelevant for our purposes. 1692 04:40:32,340 --> 04:40:34,470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honorable Luistro, 1693 04:40:34,470 --> 04:40:45,460 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I have one last for identification, Your Honor. I hope you will allow this representation. Let us move to bid reference number 12508294, Mr. Witness. 1694 04:40:47,790 --> 04:40:57,310 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Magkano po ang kabuang halaga na inaward ng City of the Vow LGU sa GenCorp Industries, Inc.? Your 1695 04:40:57,630 --> 04:40:59,790 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Honor, again, may we just know what year, Your Honor? 1696 04:41:01,000 --> 04:41:05,960 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: This is from 2022 to 2026. All these contracts, Your Honor. 1697 04:41:07,220 --> 04:41:20,470 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At the proper time, Attorney Robby, I think we will be able to reference based on DTSN and the journal. For the meantime, this will suffice. Court will allow it. So that we can move forward with this witness. Please answer, Mr. Supena. 1698 04:41:20,970 --> 04:41:24,270 Rendell P. Sopeña: The awarded contract, Your Honor, is 8.4 million. 1699 04:41:26,420 --> 04:41:29,180 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At this juncture, Your Honor, may 1700 04:41:32,030 --> 04:41:44,460 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I ask, Mr. Witness, magkano po ang kabuang halaga ng lahat ng kontrata na nai-award sa GenCorp Industries, Inc.? 1701 04:41:44,720 --> 04:41:47,640 Rendell P. Sopeña: Total 1702 04:41:49,490 --> 04:41:57,260 Rendell P. Sopeña: of 35,800,000 78,188 pesos. At 1703 04:41:57,260 --> 04:42:02,300 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: sa nabanggit pong halaga, magkano po dyan ang inaward ng City of Davao? 1704 04:42:02,950 --> 04:42:09,350 Rendell P. Sopeña: For the City of Davao, a total of 34,216,900 pesos po ma'am. 1705 04:42:09,390 --> 04:42:12,370 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Magkano naman po ang inaward ng PhilHealth Region 11? 1706 04:42:12,370 --> 04:42:18,290 Rendell P. Sopeña: For PhilHealth, 1,331,288 pesos po ma'am. 1707 04:42:18,290 --> 04:42:21,750 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At magkano naman po ang inaward ng OWA Region 11? 1708 04:42:22,640 --> 04:42:25,360 Rendell P. Sopeña: For OVP 330,000 pesos, ma. 1709 04:42:25,540 --> 04:42:46,180 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Your Honor, at this juncture, Your Honor, we just want to manifest, Your Honor, that earlier the Congressman Luis Trost said that this is the first time that they saw the documents. So it's just interesting to the defense, Your Honor, that they already have graphs and presentations prepared on the documents. We just want to put that on record, Your Honor. 1710 04:42:48,710 --> 04:42:51,110 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: If I may just put on record, Your Honor, 1711 04:42:51,330 --> 04:42:53,330 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: we have 1712 04:42:53,330 --> 04:43:12,540 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: a lot of volunteer lawyers who are working simultaneously to this examination, Your Honor. And we can honestly say that they are capable in coming up with this visual presentation that will aid the appreciation of the Honorable Senator-Judges along with the viewing public, Your Honor. 1713 04:43:12,910 --> 04:43:18,210 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Again, noted, but again, proper subject matter of course. During your turn, Attorney Robbie. 1714 04:43:18,210 --> 04:43:19,370 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: During trial, Your Honor. 1715 04:43:19,370 --> 04:43:21,110 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Please proceed. 1716 04:43:21,110 --> 04:43:22,430 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: At 1717 04:43:22,430 --> 04:44:10,570 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: this juncture, Your Honor, I respectfully move that the Honorable Impeachment Court take mandatory judicial notice of the following. Number one, Your Honor, that Ombudsman Records Division OIC already testified before the Impeachment Court, particularly with respect to the 2024 and the 2025 SAL-N of the Respondent Vice President, where she herself declared that she is a shareholder of GenCorp Industries, Inc. As a matter of fact, Your Honor, she even indicated in those SAL-N that the same was acquired in 2013. Number two, Your Honor, 1718 04:44:12,100 --> 04:44:44,790 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Article 7, Section 13 of the Constitution. Public officials shall not, during their tenure, directly or indirectly practice any other profession, participate in any business, or be financially interested in any contract with or in any franchise or special privilege granted by the government or any subdivision, agency or instrumentality thereof, 1719 04:44:44,810 --> 04:44:45,530 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: including 1720 04:44:45,530 --> 04:44:48,750 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: government-owned or controlled corporations and 1721 04:44:48,750 --> 04:44:49,290 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: their subsidiaries. 1722 04:45:07,340 --> 04:46:07,000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Number 3, Your Honor, is Section 66, RA 12009. The HOPE or the Head of Procuring Entity or his Duly Authorized Representative shall approve or disapprove the recommendation of the BAC or the Bids and Awards Committee. Number 4, Your Honor, Section 5, RA 12009. The hope of the LGU is the local chief executive. And ultimately, Your Honor, we invoke mandatory judicial notice to the fact that the local chief executive of the VAU City, the head of procurement entity, the one who approves the resolution of the BAC, is no less than Mayor Sebastian Duterte. 1723 04:46:09,130 --> 04:46:10,410 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: I conclude, Your Honor. 1724 04:46:11,130 --> 04:46:12,870 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With your direct or with your motion? 1725 04:46:14,020 --> 04:46:16,100 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Sorry, with my motion. Your Honor? 1726 04:46:16,340 --> 04:46:18,000 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And I was hoping that... 1727 04:46:18,000 --> 04:47:05,430 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Allow the chair to rule. Yes, the chair, given that the court, rather, given that the salons have been identified in court, that indeed GenCorp was mentioned there, the chair takes judicial notice of the law cited by the... Honorable Wistro, but not as to the interpretation, meaning, nor application of those laws according to the view of one party, only as to what the laws actually state. As to whether or not Mayor Duterte is the brother of, I think that will be proven in due course when the mayor is presented. 1728 04:47:07,300 --> 04:47:16,740 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: As regards the request for judicial notice, as the presiding officer also said earlier, which is why I was wondering why the previous witness was presented. 1729 04:47:18,800 --> 04:47:52,010 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Although GenCorp was mentioned in the salon, you also presented a witness council that said that the records of GenCorp do not show that the respondent is a stockholder or director of that corporation. We take notice of that as well because it was equally testified to in court and let the senator-judges peruse, evaluate, and weigh the testimony of those witnesses. So ordered. Kindly proceed, counsel. 1730 04:47:52,910 --> 04:47:56,490 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We have nothing further, Your Honor. That would be all for the direct examination. 1731 04:47:57,130 --> 04:48:00,590 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. If that is all for the direct, it's also 241. 1732 04:48:04,130 --> 04:48:06,310 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Attorney Robby, cross for... 1733 04:48:08,020 --> 04:48:08,460 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Monday. 1734 04:48:08,460 --> 04:48:09,180 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. 1735 04:48:09,340 --> 04:48:09,940 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If any. 1736 04:48:10,280 --> 04:48:10,980 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: Yes, Your Honor. 1737 04:48:15,500 --> 04:48:19,580 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With the emphasis on if any so that we can move to the next witness. If 1738 04:48:19,580 --> 04:48:20,180 Atty. Roberto N. Batungbacal: any, Your Honor. 1739 04:48:21,260 --> 04:48:25,220 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mr. Supena, your excuse in the meantime. Thank you, Your Honor. 1740 04:48:25,220 --> 04:48:36,990 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kung maaari po na hindi ko na kayo iisaw ng sabbina, hindi na po kayo iisaw ng sabbina ng korte, ng impeachment court, maaari ko bang makuha yung inyong commitment na dadalo po kayo muli sa lunes. 1741 04:48:36,990 --> 04:48:38,060 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 1742 04:48:39,780 --> 04:48:40,860 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: September 28, 1743 04:48:43,320 --> 04:48:49,240 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 8 [unclear] po ng umaga. Para magpatuloy po kayo sa inyong pagbibigay ng testimonya. 1744 04:48:49,240 --> 04:48:50,590 Rendell P. Sopeña: Yes, Your Honor. 1745 04:48:50,590 --> 04:48:52,660 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Salamat po. You are excused, sir. 1746 04:48:52,660 --> 04:48:53,560 Rendell P. Sopeña: Thank you, Your Honor. 1747 04:48:57,040 --> 04:48:59,620 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If there are no other matters to be taken up, 1748 04:49:03,860 --> 04:49:14,300 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: trial is hereby suspended until tomorrow, 10 o'clock, September 23. 1749 04:49:18,430 --> 04:49:36,410 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 2026. And as a reminder to the parties and to the senator-judges, we shall, the reason why we did not call Mr. Supena tomorrow is because we will be hearing the oral arguments of the parties tomorrow. On the part of the prosecution, who will deliver the oral arguments? Honorable Luistro? 1750 04:49:41,740 --> 04:49:51,500 Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: We would like to manifest, Your Honor, that it will be the Honorable Congresswoman, Laila de Lima, who will be representing the prosecution in the oral argument tomorrow. And 1751 04:49:51,500 --> 04:49:53,480 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: on the part of the respondent, Attorney Sheila? 1752 04:49:54,300 --> 04:49:59,900 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: May I ask, Your Honor, if we are being required now to disclose the counsel? 1753 04:49:59,900 --> 04:50:00,560 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Not really. If 1754 04:50:00,560 --> 04:50:04,840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you haven't decided, then you may not do so as of yet. 1755 04:50:04,980 --> 04:50:05,740 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Thank you, Your Honor. 1756 04:50:08,270 --> 04:50:11,110 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: The signed lawyer will be disclosed tomorrow, Your Honor. 1757 04:50:11,190 --> 04:50:19,100 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. And in that case, Honorable Luisa, neither are you bound with your choice of Congresswoman de Lima. 1758 04:50:19,400 --> 04:50:20,640 Atty. Sheila C. Sison: We are bound already. 1759 04:50:20,640 --> 04:50:21,840 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: In that case, 1760 04:50:21,940 --> 04:50:28,120 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: then so be it. So be it. Again, each party will be given 15 minutes. 1761 04:50:29,720 --> 04:50:55,280 Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thereafter, Senator, judges may propound questions before we proceed to Vote on the motion or appeal for the consideration of Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo. There being no other matters to be taken up, according to the Senate President, we shall call the session at 3.15 p.m. Trial is suspended.