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Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Judge at Arms is directed to make a

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Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: proclamation.

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Alfredo Sotto Corpuz: All persons are commanded to keep silent under pain of penalty while the impeachment court is in session for the trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.

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Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: The impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte is hereby called to order. We shall be led in prayer by Senator Judge Joel Villanueva.

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Sen. Joel Villanueva: Diyos na nagsabing kung may dalawa o tatlo na nagkakatipon sa Kanyang pangalan, Siya ay nasa kanilang kalagitnaan. Kami po ay naniniklohod at lumalapit sa iyong trono ng biyaya, hinihingi ng kapatawaran ang anumang kasalanan sa isip, sa salita o sa gawa, kasalanang sinasadya man o hindi. Patawarin niyo po kami, linisin niyo po kami ng iyong banal na dugo na nabuho sa krus ng kalbaryo. at hayaan mong makalapit po kami ngayong araw na ito sa iyong kabanalan.

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Sen. Joel Villanueva: Ipaalala mo po sa amin ang sinabi mo sa aklat ng Salmo, Kapitulo 89, Talatang 14. Ang katuwiran at katarungan ang saligan ng iyong luklukan. Ang tapat na pag-ibig at katotohanan ay nauuna sa iyong harapan. Panginoong Diyos, ngayon pong ikalabing pitong araw ng impeachment trial. Gabayan niyo po at tulungan ang bawat isa sa amin lalo na ang aming buong Senado na tumatayo bilang jurado. Tulungan mo po kaming pairalin ang katotohanan, katarungan at katwiran. Ilayo mo po ang bawat isa sa amin sa pagkiling at maging sa pansariling interes upang makapagpasya po kami ng objektibo at may banal na integridad. Hinihingi po namin ang iyong gabay na magbigay sa amin ng puso na may pagpapakumbaba. Puso na paggalang at puso para sa tunay na malasakit at pagmamahal sa aming inang bayan. Lalo na po ngayong mga panahon na ito na marami sa aming mga kababayan ay nakakaranas ng hagupit at epekto ng mga bagyo at habagat. Nawa po ang aming mga pasya ay magmula sa hangaring makabubuti lamang sa nakararami naming mga kababayan. Hindi lamang po dito sa Luzon, Visayas at Mindanao maging sa iba yung dagat. Higit po sa lahat ngayong araw na ito, hinihingi po namin na pagkalooban mo kami ng ibayong karunungan upang makita, makilala, at sa tuwinay, panghawakan po namin ang katotohanan. Nawa po ito ay maging gabay namin at batayan namin sa bawat pagpapasya namin. Hinihiling po namin ito sa ngalan ng pinakamataas na pangalan sa ngalan ng aming Panginoong Yesus ang lahat po'y makiisa at magsabing Amen.

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Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Amen. The Clerk of Court will now call the roll.

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Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Call call of members.

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Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: senator-judge Aquino, senator-judge Cayetano Allan, senator-judge Cayetano Pia, senator-judge De La Rosa, senator-judge Ejercito, senator-judge Estrada, senator-judge Goh, senator-judge Ontiveros, senator-judge Lacson, senator-judge Lapid, senator-judge Legarda, senator-judge Marcoleta, senator-judge Marcos, senator-judge Padilla, senator-judge Pangilinan, senator-judge Sotto III, senator-judge Tulfo Erwin, senator-judge Tulfo Rafi, senator-judge Villanueva, senator-judge Villar Camil, senator-judge Villar Marc, senator-judge Zubiri, the presiding officer, senator-judge Escudero, senate president, senator-judge Gatchalian.

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Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: With 17 senator-judges present, the chair declares the presence of a quorum. Before I recognize the presiding officer, allow me to greet the happy birthday senator-judge Tito Sotto and senator-judge Kiko Pangilinan. Happy birthday po sa inyong dalawa. In accordance with the Rules of Procedure on Impeachment Trials, the Chair now recognizes the duly elected presiding officers to preside over the proceedings of the Impeachment Court.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Distinguished Senate President. If there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the Journal of the Senate sitting as an Impeachment Court dated 17 August 2026 and shall consider the same as approved.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The Clerk of Court will please call the case before the Impeachment Court.

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Atty. Renato N. Bantug Jr.: Case number 004-2026 in the matter of impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Zimmerman Duterte.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Today we shall resume with a direct examination of Ms. Gina Acosta, the Clerk of Court through the Sergeant at Arms. It's directed to kindly situate Ms. Gina Acosta to the witness stand.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma 'am Gina, sa witness stand na po kayo.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Before we continue, appearances for the parties.

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Rep. Joel R. Chua: Same appearance for the prosecution, Your Honor. We are ready.

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Atty. Kristine R. Ferrer: Good morning, Your Honor. Same appearances for respondent of use.

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Rep. Joel R. Chua: May I now turn over to Atty. Ligutan, counsel for the prosecution for the continuation of the direct testimony of our witness, Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, you may. Atty. Ligutan, you're recognized.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Thank you, Honorable Soa. Ma'am Gina, patuloy po kayo magbibigay ng testimonya base po sa nauna ninyong panunumpa nung nagdaang linggo. Nauunawa niyo po ba yan?

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Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor, may muntag po sa tanahan.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So under oath pa rin po kayo at magpapatuloy po yung inyong direct examination. Good morning to you as well. Attorney Ligutan, your witness.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Magandang umaga.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Good morning again, Ms. Gina Acosta. Kumusta po kayo?

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Gina F. Acosta: Good morning po, sir.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: How are you?

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Gina F. Acosta: Medyo kabado po.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Kabado pa rin. Now, let's continue. Now, nasabi mo during the previous hearing na na-withdraw yung 125 million pesos in cold cash sa isang araw lang. Di po ba yung grasundun that you had to withdraw 125 million pesos in one day on December 20, 2022 kasi nga hindi na siya magagamit ng opisina niyo? from after December 31, 2022. Hindi po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Ang pagkakaalam ko po na yung Confidential Fund for 2022 dapat po magamit po within the year 2022.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Until December 31, tama po ba? Now, by the way, nasabi mo na you put yung 125 million pesos sa apat na traveling bags. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And then, saan galing itong mga traveling bags neto?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yung naimungkahi ko po yun kay Ma'am Bebe Sara at saka kay Isaac Ortonio. And then, naisabi ko din yun kay Colonel Lachika.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nag-sabi

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Gina F. Acosta: lang po siya na okay. Tapos yung kay Sir Lachika po.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung lang yung tanong now. Ma'am, hindi po ba na noong araw na iyon, nagpunta kayo sa bangko, dala-dala na yung apat na traveling bags. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Apat lang yung dinala nyo, di ba? Opo. Now, ito yung tanong now.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Kasyang-kasya yung 125 million pesos into four traveling bags. Yung tanong is ganito.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Paano niyo po nalaman na saktong-sakto sa

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: apat na traveling bags yung 125 million pesos? Paano niyo nalaman?

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. The question is misleading. The witness has not testified as to the... na saktong-sakto yung bags.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: But, Your Honor...

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Overruled. Witness testified that it fit. She brought four traveling bags and that they brought out the four traveling bags from the bank with the assistance of the security guards of the bank. Witness may answer?

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pakisagot po, Ma'am Gina. Paano niyo nalaman na apat na bag ang kailangan niyong dalhin para sa 125 million?

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Gina F. Acosta: Ano po? Sige, tansya ko lang po.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Estimate lang?

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Gina F. Acosta: Opo, estimate.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi pa po niyo yung nagawa sa talambuhay ninyo?

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Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, sir. Hindi pa po. Please proceed, counsel.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, now, hindi po ba, this is a probing question, Your Honor, hindi po ba na saktong-sakto yung apat na bags dinalan nyo? Kasi po, na-experience nyo na yung pag-i-encash ng around the same amount, 500 million pesos, yung panahon na kayo ay SDO ng Davao City. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. Asked and answered, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, this is a probing question.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Asked and answered, Counselor, she said, hindi pa. Try to elicit a contrary answer from her.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: We

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: will, Your Honor. Now, Madam Witness, hindi po ba na para sa taong 2019, okay, 2019, ma'am ha, yung Davao City under sa pamumuno, ng Mayor at that time, Sara Duterte, in 2019, ma'am, binigyan din ng 460 million pesos in confidential funds yung Davao City. Now, before you answer that, I'm showing you an infographic of the yearly confidential funds allocated to Davao City from 2016 to 2022. Now, ito yung tanong now.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba in 2019, yung allocated na confidential funds para sa Davao City is 460 million pesos. Naaalala niyo po ba yan?

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Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko maalala, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: For 2020, 460 million pesos din yung na-allocate to Davao City as confidential funds. Naaalala niyo po ba yan?

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Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko maalala, Your Honor, kasi hindi po ganyan ang aking na-withdraw as SDO po sa Davao City.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, so yung tanong hindi yung how much yung na-withdraw nyo, yung tanong is how much yung na-allocate?

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Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko maalala, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: For 2021, hindi mo rin maalala na yung na-allocate? na amount as confidential funds sa Davao City is 460 million pesos. Hindi mo rin maalala yan, ma'am?

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Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko na maalala, Your Honor. Tagal naman kasi yun, Your Honor. Tapos may edad na po ako, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Anyways, okay. That is your answer. For 2022, so ma'am, sinasabi niyo? Okay, what about for 2022? Before you transfer to the OVP, okay? Yung Davao City nabigyan din ng 460 million pesos in confidential funds, 2022. Hindi nyo rin maalala iyan.

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Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko maalala, Your Honor, kung ilan... Ay, maupa na? O yan ba ang confidential fund, Your Honor?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Is it because, sabi mo, sa edad nyo, hindi nyo na maalala, ma'am? Di po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Contributor po ang edad ko, Your Honor. At saka, dugay na po na, Your Honor. Matagal na, Your Honor. By

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: dugay, the witness said, matagal na. 2022.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 2022. Apat na taon pa lang yung nakalipas. I'm not yet done. I'm not yet done. Can we

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: let the counsel finish? This

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: is a probing question.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And you are telling this public, ma'am? Hindi nyo na maalala? yung amount na binigay sa OVP na nangyari lang apat na taon pa lang. Objection, Your Honor.

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Asking answered and argumentative, Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: He's trying to impeach, I believe, the witness with respect to the earlier answer that she gave, which she can do, counsel, given that she has been declared by the court as a hostile witness. Witness may answer. Objection overruled. Hindi niyo maalala, ma'am? 2022?

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Gina F. Acosta: Ano po iyon, sir? I'm confused.

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Gina F. Acosta: Nalibog ko na I'm confused kung ang pangutanan ni mo sa Davao ba o ang pagka-Vice Presidente ni Ma'am Sara.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Before po kayo na-transfer from Davao City to the OVP in 2022, yung budget for 2022, confidential funds, is P460 million. You don't also remember that.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: All

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: in all, from 2019-2022, a simple math will tell us 1,840,000 pesos.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Almost 2 billion confidential funds sa Davao City binigay. Hindi niyo rin maalala yung total na iyan. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Last hearing, August 17, 2026, nasabi niyo, that you released 125 million pesos to Colonel La Chica kasi yun yung instruction sa'yo ng head of agency. Now, to refresh your memory, here is a short clip of that hearing before the Committee on Good Government. Play the video, please.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: You were able to check if the items and the amounts provided in the object of expenditure total to 125 million. You checked that?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, ma'am.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Okay. Tanong Ms. Acosta, what gave you the confidence? Ano ang nagbigay sa inyo ng lakas ng loob na ibigay ang buong 125 million kay Col. Lachica considering that he is not the accountable officer? Because it is you who is the accountable officer.

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Gina F. Acosta: May approval po kay Ma'am Inday Sara.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And without the approval of the Vice President, will you give that to Colonel La Chica?

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Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Do you know Colonel La Chica?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, kasi siya po ang aming ground commander

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Gina F. Acosta: ng BPS.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: How

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: long have you known Colonel La Chica?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yung na-employ po ako after three months, yung na-employ po ako sa OBP, ma'am.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: How long have you known? Since 2022?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, ma'am.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Do you trust Colonel La Chica?

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Gina F. Acosta: I trust Sir La Chica kasi ginatrust po siya ng aking head of office na si

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Gina F. Acosta: Maganday Sara.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: In

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: other words, the only reason why you are giving your trust to Colonel La Chica is because of the instruction of the Vice President.

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, ma'am.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: Without the instruction of the Vice President, you will never give the entire amount of 125 million to Colonel La Chica.

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, ma'am.

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Rep. Gerville “Jinky Bitrics” R. Luistro: And do you realize also, Mr. Okay,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: now, Madam Witness, I'm showing you now a portion of the Joint Circular 6.1.1. Show the circular, please. And you will be aided, if you may, with a copy of the TSN through the assistance of the Joint Circular through Atty. J. Now, hindi po ba, ma'am? Nakasulat sa 6.1.1 ng Joint Circular 2015-01. Sinasabi dyan, under no circumstance, funds,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: it be used for liquidation of the previous cash advance, o ito, or be transferred from one accountable officer to another. It's there. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Second sentence po ng 6.1.1. Uulitin ko. Under no circumstance shall confidential funds in particular be used or be transferred from one accountable It refers to officer to another. Alam niyo itong provision na ito. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Alam po

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: po.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Despite

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: knowing that, you still, binigay mo pa rin sa isang security officer yung pera despite knowing 6.1.1. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Gidisbors po ako sa security officer, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: This is the first time we're hearing that. Now,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: let's go to 6.1.6. at the Joint Circular.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 6.1.6.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nakasulat dyan, ma'am. Confirm. No transfer of funds, appropriation through cash advances or any form of payment from one agency to another for purposes of confidential and intelligence activities shall be allowed. So yung kanina, hindi po pwede yung pag-transfer from one accountable officer to another. Worse. sa hindi-accountable officer. And then you will confirm, based on 6.1.6, hindi rin po pwede yung pag-transfer ng confidential funds from one agency to another. Of course, alam niyo rin yung provision na iyan. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And despite knowing that, pangalawang provision na... na bawal yung pag-transfer, binigay niyo pa rin kay Col. La Chica yung Confidence on Funds. Tama

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: I-disbursed ko po kay Col. La Chica, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Disbursed now, this time, the term you are using is disbursed. That's interesting. Now, Col. La Chica is the ground commander of the Vice Presidential Special Protection Group. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: BPSPG ay isang unit under ng Armed Forces of the Philippines. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Siya po. Unit po iyon sa Office of the Vice President, Your Honor. Ang BPSPG ay Vice Presidential Security Protection Group of the Vice President, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba? The fact remains na si Col. La Chica ay isang career officer pa rin ng Armed Forces of the Philippines. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sundalo si Col. La Chica under the office of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Member po siya, Your Honor. Official po siya, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And then the last hearing, hindi mo masagot-sagot yung napakasimpleng tanong kung empleyado ba or hindi si Col. La Chica. Objection, Your Honor. Argumentative. That's

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: a probate question to what the witness already answered. Just answered rather.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness may answer, kindly answer the question, Ma'am Gina.

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Gina F. Acosta: Wala na ako to nasagot, Your Honor, kay Dilip Manco, nagtrabaho sa HR, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: thank you. Now, Madam

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Witness,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: hindi po ba, as the Special Disbursing Officer, SDO, kayo po ay you posted yung tinatawag na fidelity bond with the Bureau of Treasury. Tama po ba, Ms. Acosta?

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Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: At hindi rin po ba naalala niyo that you admitted na kailangan niyong na kaya kailangan kayong mag-post ng bond Dahil posibleng mawala niyo ang pagkalaki-laking pera. Tama po ba? To aid your memory, we will show you transcript of scenographic notes of that March, sorry, of that 2024, November 25 hearing before the Committee on Good Government of the House of Representatives. Show the TSN, please.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tanong, Ms. Acosta, hindi po ba kayo ay natakot? magbit-bit ng ganitong kalaking halagah na pera considering the possibility na baka ma-hold up kayo. Remember, you are covered by a Fidelity Fund. And one of the reasons is the possibility of losing this huge amount of money. Do you remember having answered that?

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Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You will agree na yung rason ba't kailangan mag-post ng fidelity ban yung isang accountable officer like you e para maprotektahan yung pera ng bayan. Ibig sabihin, kung mawala yung pera, at least, at least, may ban na pupwedeng makarecover yung bansa. Tanong, tanong, si Colonel Achica ba nag-post?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: will repeat the question.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sinabi natin yung rason ba't kailangan ng fidelity ban para maprotektahan yung pera pinaghirapan ng taong bayan. Tanong, si Colonel La Chica ba na pinagbigyan mo ng 125 million pesos plus 375 million pesos or a whopping total of 500 million pesos. Tanong ng bayan, Gina Acosta, si Colonel La Chica ba ay nakapag-post ng Fidelity Band?

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor.

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Misleading, Your Honor. I believe the witness has only testified as regards to 125 million. There's no testimony yet as regards the... Amount mentioned by the counsel for the prosecution, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I will. Can I respond to that, Your Honor, please?

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly respond, Attorney Ligutan. He has a point.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I do remember. Okay. I do remember this witness testifying that's the same thing they did for the three

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: quarters of 2023.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I do remember that. And the

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: question is quite simple. Does some... Tama ba yung tanong, Attorney Ligutan? Sa pagkakaalam niyo po, may bond po ba? May fidelity bond po ba si Colonel Lachica tulad niyo ng SDO?

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Bonded po ba siya ma'am?

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Gina F. Acosta: Si security officer na si Colonel Lachica na siya ang commanding officer sa BPSBG. dili po siya bandit, Your Honor, pero ang accountable pa rin, Your Honor, ako gihapon, Your Honor. I am still the accountable person, Your Honor. That's why po, Your Honor, ako po ang gumawa ng liquidation, Your Honor. That is correct,

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ma'am. You have said that. Ito

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'y niligutan, Your Witness. Now, hindi po ba, ma'am, na para sa three-quarters of 2023, this is, I'll break the question down, you also gave 125 million pesos para sa first quarter ng 2023 kay Col. La Chica. Hindi po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Nag-release po ako, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: To La Chica. Opo, Your Honor. For the second quarter, 125 million pesos to Col. La Chica din. Unbunded si La Chica. You gave 125 million pesos to Col. La Chica. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. Kaya siya po ang amuang security officer ngagi talaga ni Vice President Sara Duterte para mag-implementan ng mga confidential activities, Your Honor. Kaya siya man ang na-axis, Your Honor. Yes,

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Gina F. Acosta: 'am.

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, ma

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Gina F. Acosta: 'am.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And for the third quarter of 2023, another 125 million pesos in cold cash to Colonel Achica. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So in total, kalahatin pilyong piso na pera ng taong bayan pinigay mo sa

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: isang unbounded person. As you answered, Your Honor. Witness

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: may answer. Counsel is seeking emphasis and clarification.

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Gina F. Acosta: Nirelease ko po kay Colonel La Chica, Your Honor, kasi siya po ang tinalaga ng aming vice-presidente na siya po ang security officer, Your Honor. Siya po ang may alam, siya po ang eksperto, Your Honor, sa pagpatupad ng mga project o program regarding sa operation ng confidential activities, Your Honor. I

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: will ask this

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: question, Your Honor. Hindi po ba, ma'am? Nasa iba't-ibang tanong ko, paulit-ulit na yung sagot nyo kasi nga siya yung may alam sa pag-implement ng confidential activities. Hindi nyo rin po ba napansin na sa mga iba't-ibang question ko, sa iba't-ibang punto, parang iisa na lang po yung sagot nyo. Napansin nyo po ba? Hindi.

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Gina F. Acosta: Colonel, Your Honor?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes.

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Gina F. Acosta: Yun lang ang sagot ko, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let's go to this tree planting activity, ma'am. Sinabi niyo, pareho sa good governance program, yung socio-economic program, kinocover din yung tinatawag ninyo na tree planting activities. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, ma'am, ganito po ma'am, no? Napaka-simple ng tanong. Kung gusto niyo pong mag-explain ka. Nang sagot niyo, puwede po sa pamamaraan po ng abogado ng kapila. Napakasimple po ng tanong. Para sa socio-economic program ng Office of the Vice President, isa sa mga activities na pinaggamitan ng confidential funds, sinasabi niyo, siguro pag-secure sa mga tree planting activities, hindi po ba? Yes or no?

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Gina F. Acosta: Ang tree planting po, ay kasali po sa pinag-gastusan ng Confidential Fund. During, before po gawin ang tree planting, ang aming security officer, Your Honor, mag-conduct po sila ng surveillance, Your Honor, kung safe ba. Yes, ma'am. Tama po. Tama po. Kanang action, Your Honor, partner na sa Confidential Fund, Your Honor. So

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sinasabi niyo, importante. yung confidential funds para masigurado yung security ng Vice President. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: hindi po ba, noong Agosto, August 13, may lang araw pa lang yung nakakaraan, 2026, yung Vice President nag-tree planting activity

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: in Masibay Integrated School in Nunungan, Lanao del Norte as can be shown in these news reports. Tanong, 2026. Ito yung tanong now. May

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: confidential funds ba yung office of the Vice President sa taong ito, 2026?

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Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, Your

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor. And despite that, despite the absence of confidential funds, nakapag-treplanting, with

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: God's blessing, nakapag-treplanting yung Vice President.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nagligtas ng walang untoward incident. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Irrelevant, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That's very much relevant,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: If I may, I can explain that.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's part of the liquidation report of the Confidential Funds Council. Why is it irrelevant?

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: This is for 2026, Your Honor. The question pertains to an activity in 2026, Your Honor, which is not covered by the articles of impeachment, Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: This is 2026, counsel?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, Your Honor. 2026, the point is there was no confidential funds allocated and the Vice President was able to conduct one. Sinasabi ng... If I may, Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I get your point, counsel. I think counsel was able to explain.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Atty. Linden? Yes, witness may answer. Ang punto lamang naman, Atty. Ligutan, correct me if I'm wrong, is kasama sa confidential funds na pinag-liquidate nila, yung tree planting, liyo mo no, libre yung sakay, yung mga enumeration nila, baga man hindi ito sa cloud ng taong sakop ng impeachment, gusto mo lang patunayin na nagawa pa rin ito kahit walang confidential funds.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Crystal clear.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, sir.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, witness will answer if she knows. If she knows because she's the SDO for the confidential funds.

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Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam, Your Honor. Hindi mo alam.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi mo alam. Now, going back. Yung nabigay mo yung 125 million pesos to Colonel La Chica, binigyan ka rin niya ng tinatawag niyong list of expenditures. Tama po ba? And then, to aid your memory, ma'am, kasi nga sabi mo, hindi na mo alala yung mga nangyari. Four years ago, I'll show you. I'll show you. Transcript of scenographic notes. November 25, 2024.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Or even before I... Naalala

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: niyo, ma'am, na binigyan din kayo ni Col. Chica yung pinatawag niyong list of objects of expenditures and requests for funding. Hindi po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: List of objects of expenditures, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes. Ano ba itong mga objects of expenditures na ito?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yun po ang mga proposed expenses po na ma-incurred po ni Security Officer, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay now, and then si Colonel LaChica din yung nag-determine ano yung mga objects of expenditures, hindi po ba siya?

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Gina F. Acosta: Sa kanya po galing, Your Honor. Sa

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: kanya galing. Now, ito yung tanong now. Ma'am. Yung binigay mo yung 125 million pesos in cold cash to Col. La Chica, did you ask him to sign an acknowledgement receipt or any voucher na magpapatunay na tinanggap niya galing sa iyo yung 125 million pesos?

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Gina F. Acosta: Di pa-receive na ko siya, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung tanong is, did you ask him to sign an acknowledgement receipt? Yes or no?

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Gina F. Acosta: Di pa-receive na ko siya, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Being evasive. The

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: is so

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: simple. Di ba kasama po sa liquidation report niyo, yung mga acknowledgement receipt na sinubmit, iba't ibang pangalan, di po ba? Opo, di ba? Iba't ibang pangalan. So alam niyo po ang kahulugan ng acknowledgement receipt. Ang tanong, may acknowledgement receipt bang pinirmahan si Colonel Lachica para sa binigay niyong 125 million?

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Gina F. Acosta: Nung nalibog ko, I'm sorry, I'm confused.

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Gina F. Acosta: Paghatag na ko kay Colonel La Chica ng

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Gina F. Acosta: 125M,

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Gina F. Acosta: gipareceive na ko siya, Your Honor. Dito sa objects of expenditure na gihatag niya sa kuha, dito na na na ko siya, gipareceive,

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Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Mam, naniniwala akong kaya niyong gamitin ang wikang Pilipino rito. Nung binigay niyo yung 125M sa kanya, Pinareceive niyo sa kanya. Ibig sabihin, may pinirmahan siyang papel na tinanggap niya yung 125 million mula sa inyo.

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Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. Tanong. Continue, counsel. Ano yung dokumentong iyan kung saan makikita natin, ma'am, na sinasabi ni Colonel Achica, pinirmahan niya, na tinanggap niya yung 125 million pesos galing sa iyo?

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Gina F. Acosta: Internal document namin, Your Honor, doon po sa object of expenditures.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Doon

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Gina F. Acosta: ko siya pinareceive, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, now, ano yung nakasulat sa object of expenditure na yan na magpapatunay sa sinasabi mo ngayon na tinanggap

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ni Colonel La Chica yung 125 million pesos galing sa'yo?

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Gina F. Acosta: Kitatakan ako o receive, Your Honor. Tapos sa receive, sa below sa receive ng word, below the received na word, doon siya nag-sign, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nang? Anong sinayon niya?

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Gina F. Acosta: Gipirmahan niya. Ang permahan niya, Your Honor.

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Gina F. Acosta: Witness, so

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: yung sinasabi mo now, tinatanong ka, ano yung pruweba mo na natanggap ni Colonel Atchika yung 125 million pesos galing sa'yo. Yung sinasabi mo now, and it's plain to see,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tinatakan mo yung object of expenditure. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Opo.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And then, sa ibabaw niyan, pinirmahan ni Colonel La Chica. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Opo.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tanong, walang nakasulat na

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 125 million pesos yung natanggap ni Colonel La Chica galing sa'yo sa araw na iyan. Na, Your Honor. Sa list of expenditures. Now, Your Honor,

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Gina F. Acosta: meron po, Your Honor, kasi ang nakalagay po sa object expenditures, ito po yung purchase of information, amount, then purchase of reward, amount, then ano pa yung mga expenses, then total, 125M. So, doon ko siya pinareceive, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pero

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Gina F. Acosta: yung documento yun, Your Honor, is... Internal po namin, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Anyways, I will probe deeper. Sa list of expenditure nakasulat dun, eto yung paggagamitan tsaka eto yung nakalaan na pera. Tama po ba? O,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: meron ganyan.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yun lang. Yun lang. Ano yung paggagamitan tsaka ano yung nakalaan na pera? Yun lang. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Meron pa siyang sentence, paragraph, Your Honor, sa ibabaw.

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Gina F. Acosta: Na ano?

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Gina F. Acosta: In line with the blah blah blah blah blah, the following are the proposed expenses for the implementation of confidential

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Gina F. Acosta: Activities for calendar year for the fourth quarter 2022.

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Gina F. Acosta: yun na. Yes, ma'am. Particular purchase of information with corresponding amount, blah, blah, blah. Tapos na total 125 amount. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Tapos submitted by the CHICA. Okay. Dito sa baba, dito kung na siya pinareceive. na nireceive niya yung 125 billion. Okay

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: now, kaya nga, yun yung tanong ma'am. Napakasimple ng tanong ma'am eh. Paulit-ulit sabi mo, list of expenditures, nakasulat dun. Ito yung paggagamitan, ito yung nakalaan, 125 billion pesos, saka firma lang ni Colonel Achica, saka tinatakan mo receipt. Ma'am, you are under oath. Pero sa dokumentong iyan, sa dokumentong iyan ma'am,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Walang naka-indicate dun sa isang napaka-simpling phrase. Tinanggap ko galing kay Gina F. Acosta yung perang 125 million pesos sa araw na iyan na makikita natin. Alam ng taong bayan, makikita natin yan sa kahit anong simpleng transaksyon na kung saan may palitan ng kamay. Sa pera, wala yan.

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Honor. Ask and answer,

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: While indeed it was asked and answered, counsel, I think counsel is seeking clarification on this point. It affords the witness an opportunity to clarify her answer too because she seems to be unsure. So, I'll allow it for now, counsel, with your indulgence. Ma'am Gina, pakisagot po yung katanungan ni Atty. Ligutan.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You want me to repeat the question?

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Gina F. Acosta: Gipareceive ko siya, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ayun, exactly. Paulit ulit po. I think

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: alam

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: po natin. Pinareceive po at internal yung papel na nagsasabing nireceive. Hawak niyo po ba yun ngayon? May kopya po ba kayo nalang ngayon?

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Gina F. Acosta: After po nang nakagawa na po ako ng liquidation, Your Honor, kinuha po ulit ni Security Officer La Chica, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung receipt, yung resibo na tinanggap niya yung pera, kinuha niya ulit?

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Gina F. Acosta: Kinuha niya ulit, Your Honor, kasi nakaliquidate naman po ako, Your Honor. Ang base po ng aking liquidation, Your Honor, is yung mga document po

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Gina F. Acosta: na

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Gina F. Acosta: binigay sa akin ni Security Officer. After po, matapos po niya, ma-implement on the grounds ang mga confidential activities po, Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sorry po, Ma'am Gina, with the permission of counsels, with the indulgence of Attorney Legutan as well. Noong binigay niya yung 125 million kay Col. Latsika, may pinirmahan siyang resibo na tinanggap niya yung 125 million. Pribadong dokumento, internal document na opisina niyo. Tama po ah.

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Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Noong nakapagbigay siya ng liquidation kung saan at paano niya ginastos yung binigay niyong 125 million, binawi na po niya yung pinirmahan niyang resibo na tinanggap niya yung 125 kasi na-liquidate na po niya.

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Gina F. Acosta: Nagbigay po siya sa akin, after po yung order, nagbigay siya sa akin ng reports na pinatawag po namin na fund utilization report.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pagbigay po niya yun, binawi niya na yung pinirmahan niyang Resibo na tinanggap niya yung 125?

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Gina F. Acosta: Wala pa, Your Honor. Ah, wala

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: pa?

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Gina F. Acosta: Kasi aking gitali po, Your Honor, na tama po ba ang kinuha niya na 125, ang binigay, ang nirelease ko sa kanya na 125, tama po ba sa kanyang binigay sa akin na fund utilization report? Okay,

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: exacto. Tumama.

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Gina F. Acosta: Exacto. So, nakagawa na ako ng accomplishment report based sa fund utilization report na binigay sa akin.

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Gina F. Acosta: ni CISO officer, Karne Lacheca.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Binigyan niyo na ba,

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: sinoli niyo na ba yung receipts sa kanya pagkatapos nun?

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Gina F. Acosta: After po na, tapos po na aking liquidation, na isubmit po na po sa kuwa. Sa kuwa.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Doon niyo na po sinoli?

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Gina F. Acosta: Kinuha na po niya, Your Honor, kasi nakaliquidate naman po kami. So

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: wala na po sa kamay niyo na? Sa kamay na po niya?

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Gina F. Acosta: Wala na po sa akin, Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At ganyan din po ang ginawa niyo? sa taong 2023 dun sa tatlong 125. Pagkatapos niya, binigay niya yung pera, pinirmahan niya yung resibo ang tinanggap niya. Pagkatapos siya magbibigay ng fund liquidation report at na-liquidate niya at na-submit niya na sa COA, kinuha na rin niya yung resibo. At wala po kayo kopya.

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your

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Gina F. Acosta: Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I will. Now, hindi po ba, at this particular moment, you cannot show any

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: document. At this moment, ma'am, I'm narrowing the question, Your Honors. At this moment, wala kayong may pakitang dokumento o anuman na magpapatunay na tinanggap, inacknowledge ni Colonel Achika yung pagtagap niya ng 125 million pesos galing sa iyo sa araw na iyan, December 20, 2022. Wala. Yes or no?

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Direction, Your Honor. Ask and answer, Your Honor.

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Actually, as the answer already,

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I will have to sustain the objection already, counsel. That is already just for emphasis and I think the witness has answered it already.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I will continue, Your Honor. Same po.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sa three quarters ng 2023, binibigay mo yung pera sa isang non-accountable officer na hindi banded.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tsaka hindi ka... makakapagpakita 2023 this time ng kahit anong dokumento ngayon na magpapatunay na tinanggap nga ni Colonel Achica yung P375 million pesos in cold cash, pera ng bayan. Objection, Your Honor.

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Misleading and asked and answered, Your Honor. It's misleading, Your Honor, because the witness did not make any testimony regarding the claim that the security officer is not accountable, Your Honor. And it's already asked and answered, Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel, I will have to sustain the objection but on the ground that it is compounded and if at all it is misleading because the P375 million was not given one time to Colonel Atchika.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I will break it down, Your Honor, please. You totaled it for her. I will break it down.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Para naman sa first quarter ng 2023 binigay mo rin P125 billion pesos in coal cash to Colonel Atchika. Tama po ba?

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: As you answered, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I'm breaking it down.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes or no? Witness may answer.

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Gina F. Acosta: Gi-release ko po kay security officer kasi siya po ang itinalaga ng aming Vice President, Your Honor, at siya ang nakakaalam paano i-implement ang mga confidential activities, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: There you go again. Now, for the first quarter ng 2023, Wala ka rin maipakitang any acknowledgement receipt, any document ngayon na magpapatunay na tinanggap ni Col. La Chica yung 125 million pesos cash galing sa iyo for the first quarter of 2023. Tama po ba? Magparisip

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Gina F. Acosta: po ako, Your Honor.

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Gina F. Acosta: Magparisip

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Gina F. Acosta: po ako, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: May dokumento kayo now? na ipapakita in an impeachment trial sa harap ng ating mga senator-judges, sa harap ng taong bayan na tinanggap nga ni Colonel Achica yung 125 million pesos galing sa iyo.

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, Your Honor, I would have to register a continuing objection to this line of questioning. Napakasimpleng tanong po, Your Honor. Considering that it's already asked and answered.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ngayon. Counsel, you're on a short leash. I think the witness answered already from the questioning of the presiding officer himself. Although I know and understand it's for emphasis, but it can only go so far. Yes. The witness has already answered. So, ma'am, wala po kayong dokumentong hawak dahil nga binawi ni Col. Latsika. Tama po.

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Gina F. Acosta: Binawi po niya, Your Honor po. Nakagawa na po ako ng liquidation, Your Honor. Nakasubmit na po kami sa kuha, Your Honor. Every time po, meron kaming confidential, Your Honor. Naka-liquidate po kami, Your Honor. Opo,

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: naunawaan

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ko po yan. Pero, klaro lang po na binawi nga po niya, kaya wala po kayong kopya.

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At yan po yung ginagawian na niyo noong 2022 last quarter, first, second, and third quarter noong 2023.

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Opo, tama. Okay.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kaya wala po kayong hawag na kahit anong dokumento ngayon dahil naki-Colonel Latsika na at binabi po niya. Ma'am.

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. Ma'am, eto yung tanong now. Eto yung tanong now, ma'am.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba kakaiba?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Unusual na yung acknowledgement receipt

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: babawiin? ng taong pinagbigyan mo ng pera. You don't find it unusual? Objection, Your Honor. Argumentative. Sustained. Sustained.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am, kindly.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Reform counsel.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: In Davao City, prior to 2022, hindi po ba, ma'am, same pa rin yung procedure na ginagawa niyo?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Binibigay mo yung confidential funds sa isang security officer and then sabi mo, May acknowledgement receipt pero binabawi ng pinagbigyan mo yung acknowledgement receipt. Kaya hindi mo hawak. Tama po ba sa Davao City? Practice nyo doon.

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Gina F. Acosta: I will have to recall, Your Honor, kaya matagal na po kasi yun.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, hindi po ba ito yung nagiging method of procedure? May Latin term po tayo dyan, ma'am, ha? Method of procedure. Ito yung modus operandi.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ibibigay yung pera sa isang security officer hindi banded tsaka babawiin sinasabi mo ng pinagbigyan ng pera ang acknowledgement receipt modus operandi in English in simple English it means method a procedure nakagawian practice modus

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: tama po ba?

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. It's misleading because

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: There's no testimony. The witness testified that she does not remember.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel, we both know modus has a secondary and double meaning. You can always use... Is this the standard operating procedure that you followed when you were SDO in both Davao and under the OVP? Ito po ba'y ginagawin ninyong practice at proseso? nung kayo po ay SDO ng Davao, kaugnayan ng Confidential Fund, at nung kayo ay SDO ng OVP, na yung pagbibigyan nyo, security officer o sino man, hindi bonded, pipirman na acknowledgement receipt, at pag nagbigay na siya ng fund liquidation report, fund utilization report, at nakaliquidate na kayo sa COA, babawin na.

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Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Opo.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: let

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: me proceed. Cash disbursement record. You are aware ano yung konsepto ng cash disbursement record or CDR. Let's go to paragraphs 7.1, 7.2. Your Honor, I endeavor to finish this before 12. I promise, Your Honor. 7.1, 7.2, 7.3. Of course, as an SDO, alam mo ano yung konsepto ng cash disbursement record. Alam mo yung konseptong iyan? Di po ba?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Attorney J., please assist.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 27.1, 7.2, 7.3.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Assisting counsels

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: of both parties may approach.

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Gina F. Acosta: Meron akong kopya, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, now. What was the address? Sorry, ha?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You were supposed to record each invoice, receipt or voucher individually. Sa isang araw, kailangan nakatala sa CDR lahat ng perang lalabas sa opisina mo as SDO. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Meron po akong CDR.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, let's go into that. Sinabi mo may CDR ka. Ito yung tanong now. In that CDR, makikita ba dyan na binigay mo yung 125 million pesos kay Col. La Chica on December 20, 2022?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, nakalagay po doon, Your Honor, release to security officer,

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Gina F. Acosta: Sir

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Gina F. Acosta: La Chica, 125.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Can we have that?

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Do you have a copy?

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Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ako dinala, Your Honor. Hindi

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: mo dinala. Okay. Good. Now, ma'am, hindi po ba? Ma'am, sinabi mo? na yung mga acknowledgement receipt na sabi

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: mo, through the questions of the good presiding officer, pinirmahan, allegedly, ni Colonel La Chica, binawi niya, di po ba? Ma'am, yung tanong, what about yung mga acknowledgement receipts ng mga thousands of recipients like

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Mary Grace Piatos, Andy Lim, binawi ba nila yung acknowledgement receipt? Yes or no?

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Gina F. Acosta: I need to clarify the question, Your

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor. I will

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: repeat the question. Sinabi mo, yung pruweba na binigay at saka tinanggap ni Col. Chica yung 125 million pesos. Sinabi mo, yes, pumerma siya. Pero binawi niya pagkatapos ng liquidation report. Ito yung tanong now. What about yung mga acknowledgement receipts? Mary Grace Piatos, Andy Lim. Binawi ba nila yung acknowledgement receipts or... You retained yung mga acknowledgement receipts na yun. You retained. Tama po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Yung mga acknowledgement na yun, Your Honor, galing po yun kay ISO officer. Tapos, Your Honor, yan po ay hiningi po ng kuwa. Kaya nasubmit na po lahat ang mga acknowledgement, Your Honor, na galing siyang

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Gina F. Acosta: mga

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Gina F. Acosta: tao na

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Gina F. Acosta: na naka-receive o yung pinag-gastusan po ni Colonel La Chica doon sa ground po, Your Honor, habang i-implement po ang confidential operation or activities, Your Honor. Para mais

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: -admit niyo sa COA. Yun yung sabi niyo, di ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Kailangan po yun, Your Honor. Yun, ma'am.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Kaya, Your Honor, with the court's indulgence, I will ask this question again. Yung binabi ni Colonel La Chica. yung acknowledgement receipt, hindi niyo po ba naisip na teka muna, Colonel LaChica, wait, wait, I'm not done, counsel, teka muna,

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: kailangan ko

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: isubmit sa COA. So, of course, I will not give this to you, Colonel LaChica, kasi nga, ano yung proheba ko na tinanggap mo yung pera galing sa akin? Hindi mo ba naisip yan, ginang Gina Acosta?

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Objection, Your Honor. Argumentative, Your Honor.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, ah... Your Honor, this is premise on her answer a while ago that she said because they had to submit that to COA. That's why I'm asking this question again.

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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Argumentative misleading, Your Honor. I

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: think you've established your point, counsel, both to the senator-judges and to the public. It is argumentative. I will move on. Move on to your next point, counsel.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Much obliged. Hindi po ba obligasyon mo bilang SDO na busisihin? yung mga acknowledgement receipts na sinasabi niyo na magpapatunay na tinanggap ng mga recipients yung pera ng taong bayan. Trabaho mo as SDO na busisihin yung mga acknowledgement receipts, hindi po ba?

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Gina F. Acosta: Trabaho ko po, Your Honor, pero sa dami-dami po ng acknowledgement receipts, hindi ko po maalala lahat, Your Honor, yung mga... Mga ibang detalyes kagaya ng mga names, Your Honor. And

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I will help you remember, ma'am. Don't worry. Now, I'm showing you now an itemized confidential expenditures as stated sa accomplishment report niyo for the period December 21 to 31, 2022. Okay, so, para po matulungan natin si Gina Acosta maalala yung nangyari in 2022, apat na taon na kalipas.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Show this on screen please.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Surveillance and monitoring.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: The total

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: amounts, while it's being shown, the process being shown, you will confirm that for an 11-day duration, December 21 to 31, 2022, yung Office of the Vice President nagbayad ng kabuuhang 16 million pesos. Nakasulat sa accomplishment report ninyo, rental of other incidental expenses relative to the maintenance of safe houses.

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 16 million pesos. Rental from December 21 to 31. 11 days. Confirm, Madam Acosta. Now this time, naaalala niyo na po ba?

388
01:06:28,810 --> 01:06:36,410
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ayan po o. Rental of other incidental expenses, letter C, 16 million pesos.

389
01:06:37,170 --> 01:06:44,130
Gina F. Acosta: Excuse me, Your Honor. Ang binigay po sa akin na yung divisisyon po, hindi po kagaya doon, Your Honor.

390
01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:45,890
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You look at the document.

391
01:06:47,740 --> 01:06:50,920
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Accomplishment report. You show it. It's there.

392
01:06:51,960 --> 01:07:02,290
Gina F. Acosta: Kasi po. Ang sa screen po, nakalagay po, Your Honor, is 132. At ang dito, ang bukya

393
01:07:02,290 --> 01:07:03,410
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: po, Your Honor, is 137.

394
01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:34,550
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Give the thumbs up sign which means yes in the affirmative. Tama mam? 16 million. Same na

395
01:07:34,550 --> 01:07:38,350
Gina F. Acosta: po. Same na po ang aking kopya sa screen po, Your Honor.

396
01:07:39,030 --> 01:08:01,740
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 16 million pesos from December 21 to 31, 2020 to 11 days. Tanong, hindi niyo po ba masasabi ito ay unconscionable, kasuklam-suklam or extravagant? or labis-labis. Objection, Your Honor. Argumentative.

397
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:03,560
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Wait, wait, wait. Not yet done.

398
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:11,740
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nasa circular, trabaho ng COVID-19 kung unconscionable ba or extravagant yung expenses. That's why I'm asking this witness now.

399
01:08:12,060 --> 01:08:13,760
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: The witness is not from COVID-19.

400
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:46,690
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I'm not... The witness... Is that... Are you done? Not yet, Your Honor. In fact, I'm not yet done with the question, Your Honor. Hindi po ba kasuklam-suklam labis-labis in English? unconscionable and extravagant as mentioned in the circular for the office of the Vice President to spend 16 million pesos in 11 days or a total of 1.4 million pesos hindi nga per month eh, per day.

401
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,220
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Now, counsel, Attorney Linden, what

402
01:08:50,220 --> 01:08:50,820
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: is your objection? Same

403
01:08:50,820 --> 01:08:56,140
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: objection, Your Honor, with the addition that it's also compound, Your Honor. What was the first objection, counsel?

404
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:59,110
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: It's argumentative, Your Honor.

405
01:08:59,110 --> 01:09:17,930
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I will have to overrule it, counsel. Kindly answer the question, ma'am. Just with one variation, unconscionable is not kasuklam-suklam. Mahirap tanggapin, mahirap makonsensya, pero hindi naman kasuklam-suklam ang unconscionable, counsel. With that clarification, witness may answer?

406
01:09:20,780 --> 01:09:22,020
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi ba niyo nakita?

407
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:24,560
Gina F. Acosta: Sorry po, Your Honor.

408
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:27,030
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi ba

409
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:43,350
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: kayo nahirapang tanggapin na ganong kalaki yung gastusin para sa December 21 to 31 lamang na pagrenta ng mga safe house? Hindi po ba para sa inyo? Katanggap-tanggap po ba yun o hindi?

410
01:09:44,300 --> 01:10:04,960
Gina F. Acosta: Ako po, Your Honor, nag-rely po ako sa mga dokumento na binigay sa akin ng security officer, Your Honor. Kasi siya po ang nag-implement doon sa ground, Your Honor. Wala po ako doon, Your Honor. Kasi wala po akong access sa mga security, Your Honor. Kaya nag-rely po ako sa security officer namin na Sir La Chica, Your Honor. So

411
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:12,960
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: pag nagsabing nag-rely, inasahan nyo lamang po yung binigay sa inyong fund utilization, kaugnay at kabilang na yung renta na ganyan ang amount.

412
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:16,680
Gina F. Acosta: Apo.

413
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:23,120
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Umasa lang kayo sa binigay sa inyong report na 16 million yung renta ng iba't ibang safe house sa loob ng 21 to 31 December.

414
01:10:24,730 --> 01:10:30,970
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Nag-rely po ako sa aming security officer, Your Honor, kasi siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor. Okay.

415
01:10:31,330 --> 01:11:30,220
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let me proceed. Proceed, counsel. Let's take a look at the same list from the accomplishment report for the period December 21 to 31. The amount for the purchase of supplies, provision of medical food aid. Okay? If we sum that up, it totals a whopping 75 million pesos para sa supplies, provision of medical and food aid. 75 million pesos. Tanong, ikaw ba ay in possession ng isang single official receipt na magpapatunay na talagang ginamit yung 75 million pesos para sa pagbili ng supplies, medical, and food aid. Do you have a single niisang official receipt? Yes or no?

416
01:11:31,530 --> 01:11:37,890
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, nag-rely po ako kung anong mga dokumento ang binigay sa akin ng security officer, Your Honor. There

417
01:11:37,890 --> 01:11:38,450
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: you go again.

418
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:58,060
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: The question is so simple. Do you or do you not have a single official receipt to prove na ginamit yung 75 billion pesos na pera ng taong bayan sa pagbili ng supplies, medical, and food aid?

419
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,440
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: As an answer, Your Honor.

420
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:02,420
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma 'am Gina,

421
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:16,200
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: yung binigay sa inyong dokumento ng security officer, para i-liquidate itong pinambilin ng medical at saka food supplies. May kabilang po bang resibo doon o wala? Official receipt o wala po?

422
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,480
Gina F. Acosta: Acknowledgement receipt lang po, Your Honor, kasi po sa...

423
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:34,580
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So wala pong official receipt. Yan lang po yung tanong ni Atty. Ligutan. So wala pong binigay na official receipt yung security officer sa inyo kaugnay sa kabuang halagang ito ng 75 million sa purchase of supplies, medical and food aid.

424
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,460
Gina F. Acosta: Acknowledgement receipt po, Your Honor. So

425
01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:40,880
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: wala pong OR. Alam niyo naman po ma'am, ibig sabihin ng OR, di ba?

426
01:12:41,060 --> 01:12:41,980
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. So

427
01:12:41,980 --> 01:12:42,960
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: wala pong official receipt?

428
01:12:43,790 --> 01:12:44,690
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, Your Honor.

429
01:12:45,090 --> 01:12:46,830
Gina F. Acosta: So, ito

430
01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:46,950
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: yung

431
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:47,350
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: tanong now.

432
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:51,790
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ba't hindi kayo naghanap?

433
01:12:53,820 --> 01:13:01,110
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Galing kay Colonel La Chica. Hindi niyo ba naisip ma'am, Colonel La Chica, kahit ba yung pagbili ng gamot?

434
01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:08,390
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung pagbili? Is this an advertisement by you, Jessica?

435
01:13:11,010 --> 01:13:23,010
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Paracetamol. Ba't hindi tayo mag-produce ng official receipt? Ano po yung napaka-confidential kung saan binili?

436
01:13:24,610 --> 01:13:36,460
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Biogesic, paracetamol. Ano yung confidential? Hindi mo ba naisip tanungin? Kay Colonel La Chica yan. Objection, Your Honor. Compound and argumentative, Your Honor.

437
01:13:38,190 --> 01:13:40,270
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I'll allow it for now, counsel.

438
01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:49,800
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly answer, Ms. Gina. Hindi niya ba naisip humingi ng OR?

439
01:13:52,500 --> 01:14:41,740
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, as I browse or as I verify po ng mga acknowledgement receipt na binigay sa akin ni SO Officer Colonel La Chica, naitanong ko po siya kasi may napansin po ako na Ang iba, walang date, walang name, may perma. Ang sagot naman sa akin ni SO officer, Ma'am Gina, kung ano man ang binigay ko sa'yo ng mga dokumento, yun na yun. Kasi ang mga transaction or ang operation door is very sensitive information.

440
01:14:43,690 --> 01:14:57,920
Gina F. Acosta: Sensitive information po, Ma'am Gina. At saka confidential po ito. Kaya kung ano ang binigay ko sa iyo ng mga acknowledgement receipt, yun po.

441
01:14:58,060 --> 01:15:23,270
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yun na yun. With the indulgence of counsel, matapos kayong makatanggap ng AOM galing sa COA-IGFAO na nagahanap ng resibo, Hindi niyo hiningan pa rin si Colonel Lachica ng resibo? Hindi po ba yun ang nilalaman ng isa sa mga AOM na kailangan yung purchase of food and medical supplies may resibo? So ano pong ginawa niyo nun?

442
01:15:24,730 --> 01:15:35,030
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-reply po ang office yun, Your Honor, pero hindi ko po masyado ma-relate kung ano yung exact reply namin for that, Your Honor.

443
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:47,230
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Nag-reply po, pero bugso. Dahil sa kadahilanan, sa rason ng AOM, hindi po kayo nanghingi pa rin ng OR kay Colonel Lachica sa security officer. Sumagot na lang po yung opisina.

444
01:15:49,340 --> 01:15:59,060
Gina F. Acosta: Sumagot po ang opisina, Your Honor. Tsaka, Your Honor, ang sabi po, kasi po, yung transaction na po, Your Honor, is confidential po, Your Honor.

445
01:15:59,380 --> 01:16:06,000
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kaya nga, sapat na sa inyo yung sagot ni Colonel Lachica nung sinabi niyang, yun na yun, confidential yan, tinanggap niya po yan.

446
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:08,430
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Ma

447
01:16:08,430 --> 01:16:23,370
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'am, ano yung sinasabi ni Col. La Chica? Yun na yun, hindi mo, you don't second guess yung ano yung binibigay na information sa'yo. Eto yung tanong now.

448
01:16:24,970 --> 01:16:42,360
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba obligasyon mo as the SDO na alamin at protektahan ang bawat sentimo? ng pera ng taong bayan.

449
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:55,820
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Manifestation, when asked that question, the witness uminom po ng tubig.

450
01:16:56,180 --> 01:16:57,760
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Put that into record.

451
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:39,270
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, nag-verify po ako kay security officer, Colonel La Chica, Your Honor. Yun po ang pamamaraan ko. Yun po ang way ko na para Malaman ko kung yun po ang pinaggastahan ni Col. La Chica, Your Honor, kasi siya po ang may alam. Siya po ang nag-implement sa mga project po sa confidential operation or activities, Your Honor.

452
01:17:40,470 --> 01:18:07,000
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Same kind answer, Your Honor, please. Manifestation. Now, let's go to 4.15 of the Joint Circular 2015-01. Sinasabi dito, show that on the screen please, 4.15 joint circular. Sinasabi dito na the disbursement of confidential files must be supported by a certification of the accountable officer. Alalan niyo po ba? Di po ba?

453
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:08,840
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

454
01:18:09,460 --> 01:18:40,430
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Of course, you will confirm na ikaw nag-certify for all the disbursements. ng OVP Confidential Funds last quarter ng 2022 tsaka three quarters ng 2023. First three quarters. To aid you, I'm showing you a certification of the Office of the Vice President notarized January 16, 2023 marked as Exhibit P-I-6-a. Show that certification please. The

455
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:52,410
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: name Gina F. Acosta appears on this document. as the Special Disbursing Officer. And a signature appears over this name.

456
01:18:53,980 --> 01:18:55,400
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: This is your signature, correct?

457
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:58,750
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Permako po. Ito, Your Honor.

458
01:18:58,970 --> 01:19:16,150
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes. Certification, this time, notarized on March 30, 2023, marked as Exhibit PI-6, small letter B. The name Gina F. Acosta appears on this document as SDO. May perma sa ibabaw ng pangalan na yan. Perma mo yan, di po ba?

459
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:24,010
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Is another

460
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:31,160
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: document po ma'am, pangalawang certification.

461
01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:32,900
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay.

462
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,240
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, ah, perma mo yan, di po ba?

463
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:35,980
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Opo.

464
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:50,300
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, showing you another certification, notarized this time, July 11, 2023, marked as exhibit PI6C, may pangalang Gina F. Acosta, may perma sa ibabaw ng pangalang yan, perma mo yan, di po ba?

465
01:19:50,780 --> 01:19:51,700
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

466
01:19:51,960 --> 01:20:07,780
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: This time, another certification dated, notarized rather, October 9, 2023. Exhibit P, I, VI, D, may pangalang Gina F. Acosta, May, perma, sa ibabaw ng pangalang iyan, perma mo iyan, di po ba?

467
01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:10,010
Gina F. Acosta: Perma ko po ito, Your

468
01:20:10,010 --> 01:20:25,500
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor. Now, of course, sa mga certifications na ito, nakasulat dyan sa letter B, the expenses were incurred in connection with the agency's intelligence. and or confidential operations and activities sa letter B. Yun yung sinertify mo, di po ba?

469
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,360
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Sa

470
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:34,420
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: letter F naman, naka-certify dyan that the expenditures are necessary and utilized for legal purposes. Tama po ba?

471
01:20:34,940 --> 01:20:35,880
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

472
01:20:36,340 --> 01:20:38,500
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, eto na yung tanong, ma'am.

473
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:47,280
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Kung nag-certify ka under oath na legal yung paggamit,

474
01:20:49,580 --> 01:21:12,330
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: yung personal mong basihan sa pagsa-certify na Tama yung pinaggamitan ng pera ng taong bayan. Yung basihan mo, hindi personal sa nakita, narinig, naramdaman. Kung hindi, ano lang yung isunumiti sa'yo ni Colonel Achica, hindi po ba?

475
01:21:16,460 --> 01:21:26,170
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Opo. Yun. But based on the certification sinasabi mo, hindi na misappropriate yung confidential funds, di po ba?

476
01:21:27,580 --> 01:21:28,900
Gina F. Acosta: Kasi lahat po yung...

477
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:29,140
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, ma

478
01:21:29,140 --> 01:21:41,060
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'am. Yes or no po? Yes or no? Sinasabi niyo certification, hindi na-misappropriate ng Office of the Vice President yung confidential funds?

479
01:21:43,330 --> 01:21:53,710
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Opo. Okay. And since you are the SDO, alam mo lahat ng records sa mga disbursement. Di po ba?

480
01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:57,310
Gina F. Acosta: Galing po kay Sir La Chica lahat, Your Honor.

481
01:21:57,710 --> 01:22:07,630
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Even as an SDO. Now, as an SDO, alam mo rin saan? Paano? At kanino? Disperse and confidence on funds. Tama po ba?

482
01:22:07,810 --> 01:22:12,250
Gina F. Acosta: Based po sa mga document na binigay sa akin ng security officer, Your Honor.

483
01:22:12,670 --> 01:22:19,410
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Alright. There you go again. Now, let's go to an acknowledgement receipt. PI-81382.

484
01:22:22,380 --> 01:22:26,600
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 1P181382. Sinasabi dyan ng isang Antonio Pagong.

485
01:22:28,660 --> 01:22:35,840
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Received 100,000 pesos for the payment of purchase of information. Antonio Pagong.

486
01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:41,480
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ito yung tanong now.

487
01:22:43,320 --> 01:23:11,100
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Do you have personal knowledge? Sa Tagalog, nakita mo ba si Colonel La Chica na nagbigay ng 100,000 pesos in confidential funds sa isang Antonio Pagong? Yes or no? Nakita mo ba si Colonel La Chica nagbigay ng perang iyan, 100,000 pesos? To Antonio Pagong, nakita mo ba siya o hindi?

488
01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:17,460
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko siya nakita, Your Honor, kasi wala po ako doon sa ground. Siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor.

489
01:23:18,670 --> 01:23:26,660
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let's go to P181620, Timon Andrew Pusa.

490
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:53,420
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Timon Andrew Pusa, nakatanggap ng P100,000 rental of transport vehicle. Same sagot ba? Hindi niyo nakita si Col. La Chica nagbigay ng pera, hindi po P100,000 sa isang timon, Andrew Pusa, hindi po ba?

491
01:23:53,820 --> 01:24:00,760
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko po, kasi wala ako doon, Your Honor. Gidisburse ko lang sa kanya ang pera. Siya po ang nag-implement.

492
01:24:01,060 --> 01:24:10,940
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Crystal clear. Let's go to PIA 1069. PIA 1069. This time, isang Don Piang.

493
01:24:12,490 --> 01:24:34,140
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Don Piang received 250,000 pesos for the payment of rental transports. Hindi nyo rin nakita si La Chica na nagbigay ng 250,000 pesos sa isang Don Piang. Kasi wala ka doon. Di po ba?

494
01:24:34,460 --> 01:24:35,900
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Yes.

495
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:47,150
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let's go to P182229. Kung may andilim. Not to be outdone, meron din Shane Ngitngit.

496
01:24:52,430 --> 01:25:13,110
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Translation, Ngitngit, Visaya for Madilim. Nakita niyo ba si La Chica na nagbigay ng P150,000 sa isang Shane Ngitngit? O hindi mo rin nakita? Hindi po ba?

497
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:21,890
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko nakita, Your Honor, kasi wala po ako doon sa ground. Si Col. La Chica po, na security officer, siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor. Hindi

498
01:25:21,890 --> 01:25:27,570
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ko nakita kasi wala ako sa ground. Good. Now, last. May isang acknowledgement receipt.

499
01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:39,440
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: P18612. I should be careful. Binigay sa isang Xuniso Bellat.

500
01:25:44,030 --> 01:25:45,810
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Xuniso Bellat.

501
01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:57,810
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Tanong. Nakita mo ba si Atty. Col. Chica na nagbigay ng 100,000 in confidential funds sa eksang Sunisu Bellat?

502
01:25:58,860 --> 01:26:10,200
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko po nakita, Your Honor, kasi wala po ako sa ground. Siya po ang security officer namin, Your Honor, at siya po ang nag-implement ng mga confidential operations,

503
01:26:10,780 --> 01:26:11,620
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your

504
01:26:11,620 --> 01:26:11,900
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor.

505
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:14,260
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Therefore, Madam,

506
01:26:17,340 --> 01:26:32,530
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sino po kung meron man? ang nag-verify na totoo, sakto, legal lahat ng ginawa ni Col. Chica.

507
01:26:33,890 --> 01:27:07,100
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-verify po ako sa kanya, Your Honor. Tinanong ko po siya, Your Honor. Tapos yun ang sagot niya, Your Honor. Ma'am Gina, yung mga dokumento na binigay ko sa iyo, yan po ang mga bali na resibo na magpapatunay, Your Honor, na nagamit po. ang pera ng confidential fund. At saka, Ma'am Gina, wala po kayo. Those are sensitive matters, sensitive operation po, Ma'am Gina. Confidential po yun.

508
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:32,120
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. Let me continue. So therefore, Madam Witness, in verifying kung tama yung sinasabi ni Colonel La Chica sa pagbe-verify na yan sa dinami-dami ng tao. sa buong mundo. Yung tinanong mo pa rin to verify is the same person, Colonel La Chica. Tama po ba?

509
01:27:34,540 --> 01:27:40,520
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi mo rin nalibog na po ka? Opo. I will move on.

510
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:42,120
Gina F. Acosta: I will

511
01:27:42,120 --> 01:28:17,930
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: move on, Your Honor. Now, sinabi mo, you all rely on Colonel La Chica. Hindi mo alam kung hindi mo nakita. na binigay ni Colonel La Chica yung pera sa mga recipients. Tama po ba? Opo. Wala rin official receipts. Hindi po ba? Opo. So aside sa sinasabi ni Colonel La Chica sa iyo, hindi mo mapapatunayan. Ma'am, careful ha, and being careful with this question because this is really important.

512
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:39,520
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Aside po sa sinasabi ni Colonel La Chica sa iyo, Hindi mo now, hindi mo ngayon malalaman kung totoo ba na binigay ni Colonel La Chica yung pera, for example, kay Xuniso Bellat. Hindi po ba? I'll ask

513
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:40,120
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: an answer, Your Honor.

514
01:28:41,770 --> 01:28:43,090
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: These are really important questions.

515
01:28:43,090 --> 01:28:44,350
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness will answer.

516
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:48,400
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Na -interrupt ako.

517
01:28:49,920 --> 01:29:11,200
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes po, ma'am? Ulitin, na-interrupt ako, Your Honor, sorry. I will, I will. Sinabi mo, hindi mo nakita. si Colonel La Chica na nagbigay ng pera sa mga recipients. Okay? Sinabi mo rin na yung pagbe-verify mo is true. Colonel La Chica himself. Eto yung tanong now.

518
01:29:13,340 --> 01:29:29,930
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Aside sa sinabi ni Colonel La Chica sa'yo, hindi mo ma-be-verify, hindi mo malalaman kung totoo bang binigay ni Colonel La Chica. Yung pera sa sinasabi niyang recipients, di po ba?

519
01:29:30,740 --> 01:29:40,320
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-verify po ako kay Colonel La Chica, Your Honor. Nag-rely po ako sa kanya, Your Honor. Kasi siya po ang nag-implement ng mga confidential activities, Your Honor.

520
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:48,120
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Manifestation, another canned answer to a separate question. I will move on, Your Honor. Motion to strike, Your Honor,

521
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:48,700
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: impertinent.

522
01:29:49,180 --> 01:29:49,620
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That's

523
01:29:49,620 --> 01:29:51,840
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: a manifestation that's allowed, Your Honor. Impertinent, Your

524
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:52,820
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Honor.

525
01:29:52,820 --> 01:29:54,400
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let it stay in the Record Council.

526
01:29:55,610 --> 01:30:04,140
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, so madam, madam... Hindi mo rin malalaman, hindi mo rin malalaman na

527
01:30:06,090 --> 01:30:20,910
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: pinigay pala ni Colonel La Chica yung confidential funds sa mga kaibigan at kaalyado ng Vice President. Hindi po ba? Hindi mo rin malalaman yan, hindi po ba? Yes or no? Nag-relay ka lang kay Colonel La Chica.

528
01:30:21,170 --> 01:30:25,290
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-relay pa ako kay Colonel La Chica at saka sa mga dokumento

529
01:30:25,290 --> 01:30:27,810
Gina F. Acosta: po, Your Honor, na binigay niya sa akin.

530
01:30:29,050 --> 01:30:43,270
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Nagaling mo. Okay. Next question. Hindi mo rin malalaman, ma'am, na in fact, binigay ni Colonel Achika yung half a billion pesos sa Vice President herself. Hindi mo rin malalaman yan. Misleading, Your Honor. Your Honor.

531
01:30:44,090 --> 01:30:47,590
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No basis counsel. No basis counsel. Kindly reform.

532
01:30:47,890 --> 01:31:04,440
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. Hindi mo rin malalaman, ma'am, na yung 125 million pesos na gamit. Not in 11 days, but in just 24 hours. Hindi mo rin malalaman yan.

533
01:31:04,700 --> 01:31:05,700
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Same objection, Your Honor.

534
01:31:08,490 --> 01:31:14,690
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel, I'll allow you to proceed on a short leash on this line of questioning.

535
01:31:14,690 --> 01:31:34,040
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That's the last point, Your Honor, for this. Ma'am Gina, simple po yung tanong. Dahil inasahan niyo lang po yung binigay sa inyong dokumento at sinabi ni Colonel Lachica, kung totoo man o hindi, yung sinabi niya sa inyo at dokumento niya binigay, Wala po kayong personal na kaalaman dahil hindi niyo po nakita ang ginawa niya talaga yun. Tama po?

536
01:31:35,690 --> 01:31:45,110
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po kasi siya po ang nag-implement. Siya po ang nasa ground. Siya po ang nag-implement ng mga activities regarding confidential, Your Honor.

537
01:31:45,310 --> 01:31:45,710
Gina F. Acosta: At

538
01:31:45,710 --> 01:32:02,460
Gina F. Acosta: siya po ang itinalaga. Meron po siyang order, Your Honor, as security officer, Your Honor. Siya po ang may-access, Your Honor, when it comes to security, Your Honor. Siya ang nai-training, siya ang expert, Your Honor. Ako, nag-disperse na ako sa iya, Your Honor.

539
01:32:02,900 --> 01:32:10,940
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So, kung totoo man nga po o hindi, kung tama man o mali, inasahan nyo lamang yung mga binigay sa inyong dokumento

540
01:32:10,940 --> 01:32:16,760
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ni Cornelia Chigal dahil siya yung authorized, siya yung sinabihan na gumagawin yan, at siya yung may training.

541
01:32:17,460 --> 01:32:18,840
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Wala

542
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:25,000
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: kang personal knowledge. na binigay nga dun sa mga taong iyon yung pera o ginastos talaga para sa supplies.

543
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:25,720
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po. Hindi po

544
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,140
Gina F. Acosta: kayo gumano. Wala, Your Honor. Wala po dito.

545
01:32:28,420 --> 01:32:48,080
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay. Last stretch of my questions. Madam Witness, last stretch. 6.2.3.1 of the Joint Circular, repeat, 6.2.3.1, sinasabi ng Joint Circular na ikaw ay required to submit a liquidation report. Tama po ba?

546
01:32:51,030 --> 01:33:03,390
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Opo, Your Honor. In fact, nag-submit ka ng liquidation report dated January 10, 2023. Okay. For the Office of the Vice President sa paggamit ng Confidential Funds, hindi po ba?

547
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:09,630
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Excuse me, Your Honor. Pwede ma nga yung kopya?

548
01:33:09,870 --> 01:33:11,590
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, ma'am. We will do that.

549
01:33:17,660 --> 01:33:18,340
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Salamat po.

550
01:33:28,820 --> 01:33:33,540
Gina F. Acosta: Okay po,

551
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:35,280
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor. Now.

552
01:33:37,060 --> 01:33:43,960
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: So, sincertify mo na lahat ng mga data na sa reports are correct, di po ba?

553
01:33:45,380 --> 01:33:50,320
Gina F. Acosta: Sincertify ko po kung ano ang nakalagay dito sa liquidation report na ito.

554
01:33:50,560 --> 01:34:09,290
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Opo ma'am, I'm showing you now liquidation reports for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd quarters ng 2022. May same certification, di po ba? Sa naging liquidation report nyo sa 2022, ano yung mga nakasaad dyan, di po ba? Same ano yung sinesertify nyo sa liquidation report, di po ba?

555
01:34:09,570 --> 01:34:10,490
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

556
01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:31,950
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: In fact, yung pangalang Sara Z. Duterte as Vice President, makikita natin sa liquidation reports for the fourth quarter of 2022, adiretsyo na, first, second, third quarter ng 2023, tsaka may perma sa pangalang Sara Z. Duterte sa mga dokumentong iyan. Yung mga permang ito, mga perma ng ating Vice President, hindi po ba?

557
01:34:33,870 --> 01:34:35,770
Gina F. Acosta: Perma po niya ito, Your Honor. So

558
01:34:35,770 --> 01:34:54,800
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sinasabi nyo, na yung Vice President din nag-certify sa lahat ng liquidation reports pinakita sa'yo in total half a billion pesos, 500 billion pesos. Sinasabi din ng Vice President na tama yung pinaggamitan ng confidential funds, hindi po ba?

559
01:34:55,950 --> 01:35:01,430
Gina F. Acosta: Ang sinertify po niya dito, Your Honor, is purpose of cash advance duly accomplished.

560
01:35:02,170 --> 01:35:14,920
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes. Now, I will repeat this question. So kung nakapag-certify kayo na duly accomplish yung purposes ng cash advance,

561
01:35:15,380 --> 01:35:16,680
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: yung

562
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:27,210
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: certification, base lang yan sa ano yung sinabi ni Colonel La Chica sa inyo, hindi po ba?

563
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:35,300
Gina F. Acosta: Base po ito sa mga documents po na binigay sa akin ni Security Officer Col. La Chica, Your Honor. Okay,

564
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:46,860
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: so now, hindi mo sinasabi, yun yung sinabi ni Col. La Chica, but this time, sinasabi mo, this time around, base naman sa mga dokumentong binigay sa iyo ni Col. La Chica, hindi po ba?

565
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:49,260
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Asked and answered, Your Honor.

566
01:35:51,580 --> 01:35:53,620
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I'll allow the witness to answer. I'm sorry, counsel.

567
01:35:55,420 --> 01:35:56,140
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba?

568
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:01,000
Gina F. Acosta: Ano po yun?

569
01:36:01,140 --> 01:36:19,330
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sorry po ha, sorry, sorry. Nakapag-certify ka, this time ha, defense, I'm asking about the liquidation report ha. Nakapag-certify ka sa liquidation report na tama yung pinaggamitan kahit hindi mo nakita personal paano ginamit ni Colonel Achica yung pera, hindi po ba?

570
01:36:19,470 --> 01:36:33,410
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Misleading, Your Honor. The liquidation report. contains a different statement, Your Honor. It's box A, certified correctness of the above data, Your Honor. So, the premise, the factual premise of the question is incorrect, Your Honor. That's

571
01:36:33,410 --> 01:36:34,530
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: a liquidation report, Your

572
01:36:34,530 --> 01:36:34,650
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Honor.

573
01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:48,970
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let me counsel. Let me counsel. Ma'am Gina, noong sinabi niyo pong certified correct yung nakapaloob sa liquidation report, ang pinagbasihan niyo pa rin ay yung impormasyong binigay sa inyo.

574
01:36:50,610 --> 01:36:56,370
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: At hindi po personal niyong kaalaman na doon nga nagastos yung pera.

575
01:36:57,420 --> 01:36:59,080
Gina F. Acosta: Excuse me, Your Honor. Yes,

576
01:36:59,100 --> 01:36:59,200
Gina F. Acosta: ma 'am.

577
01:36:59,380 --> 01:37:25,930
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, ang g-certify ko dito sa liquidation report, Your Honor, is the correctness of the above data, Your Honor. Ito lang pong period covered na tama, Your Honor. Ito pong particulars na tama, Your Honor. Entity, Your Honor, tama po, Your Honor. Ang amount, tama po, Your Honor. Kani po ang ako ang bot, ipasabot, nag-certify na ko ang above data. Kana po nga dita, Your Honor. At

578
01:37:25,930 --> 01:37:35,150
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: nakalagay po nga sa data ngayon kung paano ginastos yung confidential fund, liquidation report nga po eh. Di po ba?

579
01:37:36,050 --> 01:37:37,910
Gina F. Acosta: Above data po kasi, Your Honor.

580
01:37:38,190 --> 01:37:45,540
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kaya nga po, nakalagay po sa above data. Can you bring up the... Can you scroll up, please?

581
01:37:46,140 --> 01:37:46,980
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Scroll up, please.

582
01:37:54,220 --> 01:37:57,260
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Can you zoom in on the particulars?

583
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:10,460
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yan po, yung liquidation nga po, sinertify nyo na yung liquidation ay tama.

584
01:38:11,490 --> 01:38:13,210
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. At

585
01:38:13,210 --> 01:38:18,210
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ang basehan ng liquidation, yung mga dokumentong binigay ng security officer na si Colonel Achica.

586
01:38:19,420 --> 01:38:20,400
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

587
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:29,400
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi po yung personal ninyong kalaman na dun nga nag-aslusyon, kundi base sa kanyang binigay sa inyong impormasyon at mga dokumento.

588
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:36,450
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor, kasi wala po ako doon. Siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor. Nag-dispers lang po ako ng pera sa kanya, Your Honor.

589
01:38:37,470 --> 01:38:42,630
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel, you might think of other questions already because I think the witness said that about 20 times already. Yes, sir.

590
01:38:43,270 --> 01:39:25,560
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: We'll go to, this time, Your Honor, hindi na liquidation report. Last points. Accomplishment report naman. Or, let's not belabor the point, ma'am. I'll go for, I'll go directly to the point. Accomplishment report for 2022, three quarters. Sinasabi niyo na tama yung pinaggamitan ng pera ng taong bayan, 500 million pesos, kalahating billion pera ng taong bayan, sinertify niyo na tama yung pinaggamitan kahit wala kayong personal na alam kung totoo bang tama yung pinaggamitan ni Colonel Achica kasi nga nag-rely lang kayo sa sinabi ni Colonel Achica sa inyo, hindi po ba?

591
01:39:26,210 --> 01:39:26,870
Gina F. Acosta: Nag

592
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:27,390
Gina F. Acosta: -rely po.

593
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:35,350
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The witness testified that she relied on the statements and the documents, not merely the...

594
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:37,430
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That is my question, Your Honor.

595
01:39:37,530 --> 01:39:38,650
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: If she relied on the...

596
01:39:38,650 --> 01:39:51,110
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That was the question, counsel. If she relied on the documents given and statements made by Colonel Lachica, which you said several times, na confidential yun, di ba? You may repeat it again, Ma'am Gina. Your answer.

597
01:39:53,770 --> 01:40:24,570
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-rely po ako, nakagawa po ako ng utilization report. Based po sa pagpangutana, pag-verify ko kay security officer La Chica na ma'am Gina, sensitive information na o confidential information o mga dokumento naghihatag, ngagikan kay security officer Colonel La Chica ng nisa ako ah.

598
01:40:24,830 --> 01:40:32,480
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am, curious lang ako, may sinabi po ba siyang Confidential to. Yan lang ang pwedeng bigay ko sa iyo. Wala na akong pwedeng bigay sa iyong iba. May ganun po ba?

599
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:40,900
Gina F. Acosta: Ang sinabi po niya, Your Honor, those transactions po or those operations po are sensitive and confidential in nature, Your Honor.

600
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,500
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kaya wala na po siyang bibigay na iba pang dokumento maliban dyan.

601
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:48,040
Gina F. Acosta: Oy, yung mga dokumento na binigay niya sa aking, Your Honor.

602
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,260
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yun lang yun. Hanggang dun lang.

603
01:40:50,660 --> 01:40:52,840
Gina F. Acosta: Hanggang dun lang po, Your Honor. Okay.

604
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:55,320
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Five questions.

605
01:40:57,180 --> 01:41:21,200
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: You promised before lunch, counsel. Yes, Your Honor. Five questions. Hindi po ba, Madam Witness, pinalabas niyo na kayo mismo ang naghanda ng physical and financial plans para sa confidential funds ng Office of the Vice President for 2022 at 2023? Gayun ang totoo. Si Col. La Chica lamang pala ang nagsabi kung anong dapat isulat sa mga planong iyan sa plan.

606
01:41:22,330 --> 01:41:26,070
Gina F. Acosta: Sorry, Your Honor. I confused with your question, Your Honor.

607
01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:28,910
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, I will not repeat the question. I'll

608
01:41:28,910 --> 01:41:29,450
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: move on to the

609
01:41:29,450 --> 01:41:29,650
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: next.

610
01:41:29,890 --> 01:41:30,830
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No, I think

611
01:41:30,830 --> 01:41:43,070
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: that's already on the Record Council. Yes. Ma'am Gina, sinagot niyo na po dati yan. Na yung physical and financial plan na hinanda niyo, kumuha kayo ng input kay Colonel Atchika. Hindi po ba? Opo,

612
01:41:43,130 --> 01:41:43,930
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor.

613
01:41:44,190 --> 01:41:59,880
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba't sa mga liquidation report, accomplishment report, pinapalabas niyo na tama yung pinagamitan ng confidential funds, pero yung totoo. Wala kayong personal na kaalaman kung sino ang mga tunet na tumigap ng pera, hindi po ba? Misleading, Your

614
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:01,020
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Honor. I

615
01:42:01,020 --> 01:42:01,300
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: think

616
01:42:01,300 --> 01:42:07,680
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: it's just about to be done, counsel. Let's let him summarize his points. Hindi po ba?

617
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:26,690
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba, Madam Witness? Wala kayong personal na alam na tama yung pinagamitan ni Colonel Achica despite the report certification kasi nga sabi ninyo nag-rely lang kayo kay Colonel Achica and this time you added sa mga dokumento, hindi po ba? Ask and answered,

618
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:27,070
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor.

619
01:42:27,610 --> 01:42:27,810
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I

620
01:42:27,810 --> 01:42:28,670
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: think ask and answered.

621
01:42:28,670 --> 01:42:33,930
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Last two questions, Your Honor. Again, for emphasis, I think the witness will confirm that. Tama po, Ma'am Gina?

622
01:42:34,250 --> 01:42:47,070
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-rely po ako sa sinabi ni Colonel La Chica at sa mga document na binigay niya sa akin, Your Honor, after po na-implement po niya sa ground, ang mga confidential activities po, Your Honor.

623
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:48,030
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: At wala po

624
01:42:48,030 --> 01:42:48,670
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: kayo sa ground?

625
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:50,150
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, wala po

626
01:42:50,150 --> 01:42:50,330
Gina F. Acosta: ako

627
01:42:50,330 --> 01:42:51,090
Gina F. Acosta: doon, Your Honor.

628
01:42:51,550 --> 01:43:18,520
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba dahil sa mga... pinaggagawa niyo sa office of the Vice President nawalan ng paraan ang taong bayan na pagtumain, pagtumain, pagtugmain I repeat, hindi ba't dahil sa pinaggagawa niyo nawalan ng paraan ang taong bayan na pagtugmain on one hand ang paper trail I

629
01:43:19,350 --> 01:43:20,190
Gina F. Acosta: cannot understand

630
01:43:20,190 --> 01:43:34,960
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: or makadokumento On the other hand, ang totoong money trail, wala na pong paraan ng taong bayan na pagtugmain yung paper trail tsaka money trail. Hindi po ba? Yes or no?

631
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,700
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Argumentative and speculative, Your Honor. If

632
01:43:37,700 --> 01:43:54,960
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you know, Ma'am Gina, kung alam niyo po, sabihin niyo po, alam niyo, kung hindi niyo alam, sabihin niyo rin pong hindi niyo alam. I will repeat the question if you may, Your Honor. I think she understood the question but... Difficult to answer on her part, counsel, but I don't want to put words in the mouth.

633
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:59,800
Gina F. Acosta: Malalim po ang Tagalog ni attorney Lagutan po. Ma

634
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:00,940
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'am, it's Ligutan. Okay now.

635
01:44:01,300 --> 01:44:03,000
Gina F. Acosta: Sorry po. I'm sorry. I'm

636
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,840
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sorry, Your Honor. It's okay po. I'm sorry po. It's okay,

637
01:44:05,940 --> 01:44:47,800
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ma 'am. Sorry po. Sorry po. It's okay, ma'am. Ma'am, I will repeat the question. Kasi nga, sinasabi nyo, wala namang kayong kinalaman sa paano ginamit ni Colonel La Chica yung pera. Pero sincertify niyo na tama yung pinaggamitan ng pera. So di po ba yung taong bayan nawalan ng pamamaraan na pagtugmain, i-match yung mga dokumento, paper trail tawag natin dyan on one hand, tsaka yung aktual na paggamit ng pera or money trail. Napakaklaro na po. Nawalan po ang taong bayan ng pamamaraan at pagtugmain. yung dalawang bagay na yan. Yes or no? Speculative, Your Honor.

638
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:48,240
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po.

639
01:44:48,340 --> 01:44:49,180
Gina F. Acosta: It's not, it's not.

640
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Gina F. Acosta: Wala, wala, wala, nawalan ang, ano yun?

641
01:44:53,820 --> 01:44:54,740
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi nawalan.

642
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Gina F. Acosta: Hindi nawalan, Your Honor, kasi pwede po nila tanungin ang aming security officer na siya po ang nagpapatupad ng mga.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay now, last question. Darating po tayo dun, ma'am. I assure you. I hope we will arrive to that point.

644
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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am. Hindi ba ito isang scam? or tahasang panililan sa pera

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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ng kaubayan.

646
01:45:43,710 --> 01:45:45,710
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: It did not come from the witness's mouth.

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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly reform a bit, counsel. I think I know where you're getting at, too. And you've said it anyway.

648
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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That will be all

649
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Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: for

650
01:45:53,090 --> 01:45:53,310
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: the

651
01:45:53,310 --> 01:45:55,370
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: prosecution for this witness, Your Honor.

652
01:45:57,690 --> 01:46:03,830
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Do you want to start with your cross, counsel, or do you want to start your cross after lunch?

653
01:46:04,250 --> 01:46:05,690
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Can we do it after lunch, Your Honor?

654
01:46:06,270 --> 01:46:08,310
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, we certainly can, but we shall...

655
01:46:12,190 --> 01:46:13,350
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We shall, since it's

656
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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: a loony, 11.45, we shall break for lunch and shall resume at 12.30.

657
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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I hope 45 minutes would be enough with the senator-judges. Ma'am Gina, lunch break po muna tayo. Makakapaba po kayo sa witness stand. Wag po kayong kakain dyan ha. Kumain po kayo sa lamesa. Salamat

658
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Gina F. Acosta: po, sir. Salamat po, Your Honor. Thank

659
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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you. We are on recess and we shall resume at 12.30 in the afternoon.

660
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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Trial is resumed.

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02:32:20,930 --> 02:32:22,230
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May procedure, Your Honor.

662
02:32:22,650 --> 02:32:39,640
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Before that, Ma'am Gina, you are going to continue with your testimony sa pamamagitan ng cross-examination ng counsel for respondent sa ilalim ng pareho pa rin po niyong pinanumpaan noong nagsimula po kayo ng Tumistigo. Naunawa niyo po yan?

663
02:32:40,380 --> 02:32:41,760
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Okay.

664
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Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Attorney Lindo, your witness for

665
02:32:44,100 --> 02:32:50,820
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: your cross-examination. With the permission of this honorable court, good morning, good afternoon, ma'am Gina. Good

666
02:32:50,820 --> 02:32:51,580
Gina F. Acosta: afternoon po.

667
02:32:51,820 --> 02:32:59,420
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: You mentioned that you were the special dispersing officer of Davao City. And this is from 2018 to 2022, correct?

668
02:33:00,450 --> 02:33:01,490
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

669
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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And the mayor then was Vice President Sara Duterte.

670
02:33:06,200 --> 02:33:07,340
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

671
02:33:08,180 --> 02:33:16,100
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: When you were STO, of Davao City. Your duty pertained to disbursing confidential funds appropriated for Davao City, correct?

672
02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:22,840
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko maklaro ang... Noon pong

673
02:33:22,840 --> 02:33:38,080
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: STO kayo, ang duty niyo po ay ang pag-disburst ng confidential funds para sa Davao City, tama po? Tama po. And you also prepared and submitted liquidation documents during that time, correct po? Yes,

674
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:38,620
Gina F. Acosta: tama po.

675
02:33:39,100 --> 02:33:47,780
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And when you were STO... Davao City, there is no audit observation memorandum issued by the Commission on Audit against you, correct?

676
02:33:48,320 --> 02:33:49,020
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po.

677
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Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And when you were STO of Davao City, there is no audit observation memorandum issued by the Commission on Audit against then Mayor Sara Duterte, correct?

678
02:33:58,560 --> 02:33:59,200
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po.

679
02:34:00,120 --> 02:34:13,780
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: There is likewise no notice of suspension issued by the Commission on Audit against you, correct? Wala. and there is no notice of suspension issued against then Mayor Sara Duterte, correct?

680
02:34:14,180 --> 02:34:14,760
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po.

681
02:34:15,140 --> 02:34:17,300
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Wala rin pong notice of disallowance?

682
02:34:17,660 --> 02:34:18,440
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po.

683
02:34:18,680 --> 02:34:20,000
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Laban sa inyo, wala po?

684
02:34:20,180 --> 02:34:21,060
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po. Wala

685
02:34:21,060 --> 02:34:25,700
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: rin pong notice of disallowance laban sa dating Mayor Sara Duterte, tama po?

686
02:34:26,140 --> 02:34:27,200
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, wala.

687
02:34:27,880 --> 02:34:35,740
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And the Commission on Audit did not reopen any audit for confidential funds of Davao City, correct?

688
02:34:36,840 --> 02:34:38,040
Gina F. Acosta: Correct po. Your

689
02:34:38,040 --> 02:34:45,220
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor. Sorry, but I have to interject a continuing objection to this series of questions. May I state my ground?

690
02:34:46,490 --> 02:34:50,150
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: I think I know what your ground is, counsel, but you may do so for the record.

691
02:34:50,210 --> 02:35:00,870
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, magically, now this witness remembers what happened in Davao. Kanina, when the prosecution was asking her, sabi niya, Wait,

692
02:35:01,690 --> 02:35:02,450
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: incompetent!

693
02:35:04,050 --> 02:35:05,170
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Put the record.

694
02:35:05,390 --> 02:35:05,490
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The

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02:35:05,490 --> 02:35:09,470
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: objection is overruled, counsel.

696
02:35:11,650 --> 02:35:19,620
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Counsel may proceed. And when you were STO of Davao City, it is the Joint Circular which is already in effect, correct?

697
02:35:20,260 --> 02:35:20,980
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, po.

698
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:28,220
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And you are aware of the requirements of the Joint Circular regarding your functions as the Special Dispersing Officer?

699
02:35:28,900 --> 02:35:29,940
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

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02:35:31,210 --> 02:35:45,690
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: You mentioned also that you were the Special Disbursing Officer of the Office of the Vice President for its Confidential Funds from Quarter 4 of 2022 until Quarter 3 of 2023. Correct?

701
02:35:46,030 --> 02:35:47,050
Gina F. Acosta: Correct po, Your Honor.

702
02:35:47,410 --> 02:35:53,670
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And similar with your tasks in Davao City, you also prepared the documents for liquidation.

703
02:35:53,910 --> 02:35:55,070
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

704
02:35:56,340 --> 02:36:02,980
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: As SDO, You were not part of any confidential operations of the agency, correct?

705
02:36:03,460 --> 02:36:05,740
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. You

706
02:36:05,740 --> 02:36:08,200
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: have no experience in confidential operations?

707
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:12,360
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po akong experience niyan, Your Honor. You

708
02:36:12,360 --> 02:36:15,820
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: do not know how confidential operations are done on the ground?

709
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:18,700
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po akong alam niyan, Your Honor. You

710
02:36:18,700 --> 02:36:23,640
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: have not undergone any formal training regarding confidential operations or activities?

711
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:26,000
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po akong training na ganyan.

712
02:36:27,180 --> 02:36:33,580
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: You are not aware of the operational security required when it comes to confidential operations, correct?

713
02:36:33,900 --> 02:36:34,540
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po.

714
02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:37,940
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Wala po kayong military background?

715
02:36:38,460 --> 02:36:39,640
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po akong...

716
02:36:39,640 --> 02:36:41,400
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May law enforcement background po ba kayo?

717
02:36:41,640 --> 02:36:43,040
Gina F. Acosta: Ano po yun? Do

718
02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:44,540
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: you have a law enforcement background?

719
02:36:45,240 --> 02:36:46,840
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po ako, Your Honor.

720
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:53,240
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: When you were STO of the OVP, you have no authority to access security information, correct?

721
02:36:53,620 --> 02:36:54,160
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po.

722
02:36:54,730 --> 02:36:57,770
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Wala rin po kayong authority to access classified information.

723
02:36:58,510 --> 02:36:59,350
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po.

724
02:37:00,180 --> 02:37:04,340
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: You were not also given any security clearance in the OVP.

725
02:37:05,590 --> 02:37:06,250
Gina F. Acosta: Wala.

726
02:37:06,250 --> 02:37:12,250
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And because you were already the STO of Davao City, you remain familiar with the Joint Circular, correct?

727
02:37:13,270 --> 02:37:15,130
Gina F. Acosta: Familiar po a little, Your Honor.

728
02:37:15,730 --> 02:37:25,190
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The Joint Circular does not require you, an STO, to be personally involved in the agency's confidential operations.

729
02:37:26,550 --> 02:37:34,570
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That's misleading, Your Honor. It's clearly in the Joint Circular that that's the job. That's

730
02:37:34,570 --> 02:37:37,790
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: the job of an SDO, to disperse confidential funds.

731
02:37:37,970 --> 02:37:46,530
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, the prosecution also inquired as to the contents of the Joint Circular. I'm examining the witness, Your Honor, if there is such a provision.

732
02:37:47,770 --> 02:37:48,250
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The

733
02:37:48,250 --> 02:37:49,030
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: question is misleading.

734
02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:52,530
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: A witness may answer as she knows. I'll allow it, counsel.

735
02:37:54,030 --> 02:37:54,990
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Gina, kindly

736
02:37:54,990 --> 02:37:55,670
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: answer the question.

737
02:37:55,830 --> 02:38:06,070
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The Joint Circular does not require you, an SDO, to be personally involved in the agency's confidential operations. On the ground.

738
02:38:08,370 --> 02:38:13,390
Gina F. Acosta: Wala pong sinabi ang Joint Circular, Your Honor.

739
02:38:13,730 --> 02:38:19,910
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Wala rin po bang sinabi sa Joint Circular na kailangan may experience kayo pagdating sa confidential operations?

740
02:38:21,290 --> 02:38:26,110
Gina F. Acosta: Wala din, Your Honor, sa akong pagka-understand.

741
02:38:26,570 --> 02:38:33,590
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May nakalagay rin po ba sa Joint Circular na kailangan? May kaalaman kayo kung papaano ginagawa ang confidential activities?

742
02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:37,660
Gina F. Acosta: Wala ko naka-encounteran na, Your Honor, sa GC.

743
02:38:38,180 --> 02:38:45,280
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Nire-require din po ba kayo ng Joint Circular na mag-undergo ng formal na training para sa confidential activities?

744
02:38:46,180 --> 02:38:47,260
Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor.

745
02:38:47,740 --> 02:38:52,670
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Nire-require po ba kayo ng Joint Circular? na dapat ang STO merong military background?

746
02:38:53,770 --> 02:38:55,930
Gina F. Acosta: Wala ko ka ba sana, Your Honor? Wala

747
02:38:55,930 --> 02:38:58,410
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: rin ang law enforcement background. Wala rin ganyang requirement.

748
02:38:58,990 --> 02:38:59,850
Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor.

749
02:39:00,730 --> 02:39:09,870
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Nirequire ba ng Joint Circular na ang isang special disbursing officer kailangan may authority to access security information?

750
02:39:12,820 --> 02:39:13,960
Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor.

751
02:39:15,500 --> 02:39:20,320
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Nirequire din po ba ng Joint Circular na ang STO kailangan may security clearance?

752
02:39:21,960 --> 02:39:23,000
Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor.

753
02:39:24,900 --> 02:39:34,750
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Inerequire din po ba ng Joint Circular na pinagbabawal kayo mag-rely sa documents provided by a security officer?

754
02:39:36,400 --> 02:39:37,700
Gina F. Acosta: Ano yun, Your Honor?

755
02:39:38,180 --> 02:39:47,490
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May pagbabawal po ba sa Joint Circular na bawal mag-rely sa documents na pinaprovide ng security officer?

756
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:49,990
Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor. The

757
02:39:49,990 --> 02:39:57,470
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: requirement of the Joint Circular is that a special disbursing officer must be a regular or permanent employee of the agency, correct?

758
02:39:57,850 --> 02:40:00,280
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. And

759
02:40:00,280 --> 02:40:05,560
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: you are a regular and permanent employee of the office of the Vice President. Tama po ba?

760
02:40:06,480 --> 02:40:09,740
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. Katerminos po, Your Honor.

761
02:40:11,100 --> 02:40:19,420
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And the Joint Circular provides that it is the SO who must have access to security information. Tama po?

762
02:40:19,560 --> 02:40:21,560
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor. At

763
02:40:21,560 --> 02:40:30,780
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: ito rin po ba ang dahilan kaya ang SO, ang security officer ang kailangan mag-implement ng confidential operations ng ahensya?

764
02:40:31,980 --> 02:40:35,020
Gina F. Acosta: Sa ako ang pagsabot sa GC, Your Honor. At

765
02:40:35,020 --> 02:40:39,140
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: ang security officer po ang nag-designate dito ang head of agency, tama?

766
02:40:39,760 --> 02:40:41,720
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, ang head of agency, Your Honor.

767
02:40:42,260 --> 02:40:51,100
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yun din po ba ang dahilan kaya kinailangan nyo ang inputs o guidance ng security officer? in preparing the physical and financial plan?

768
02:40:51,780 --> 02:41:00,540
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor, kasi wala po akong alam sa mga operations sa ground.

769
02:41:03,470 --> 02:41:12,140
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The OVP submitted a physical and financial plan to the Department of Budget and Management, correct? For 2022?

770
02:41:13,340 --> 02:41:14,020
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Are

771
02:41:14,020 --> 02:41:14,500
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: you aware?

772
02:41:16,020 --> 02:41:21,740
Gina F. Acosta: Nagsubmit po ang OVP ng physical and financial plan nag-require po sa DBM.

773
02:41:22,440 --> 02:41:29,700
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Ito pong physical and financial plan is in support of the OVP's request for confidential funds noong 2022?

774
02:41:30,990 --> 02:41:31,670
Gina F. Acosta: Opo.

775
02:41:32,490 --> 02:41:41,930
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And yung the PFP which the OVP submitted to the Department of Budget and Management is also based on the good governance program of the OVP, correct?

776
02:41:44,160 --> 02:41:47,740
Gina F. Acosta: Wala ka, ako ka-get sa question din mo, Your Honor.

777
02:41:48,020 --> 02:42:02,040
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yung po bang physical and financial plan na sinubmit ng OVP sa Department of Budget and Management, nakabase rin po ba sa good governance program ng OVP?

778
02:42:02,600 --> 02:42:03,560
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

779
02:42:04,040 --> 02:42:12,320
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: At matapos pong isubmit ang nasabing physical and financial plan, tama po ba na the Department of Budget and Management

780
02:42:14,810 --> 02:42:15,910
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes,

781
02:42:18,250 --> 02:42:18,770
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor.

782
02:42:19,670 --> 02:42:20,770
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes,

783
02:42:32,610 --> 02:42:32,770
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your

784
02:42:32,770 --> 02:42:33,530
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor.

785
02:42:42,490 --> 02:44:15,370
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: non-adverse witness. Totoo po sa 2019 rules nakasulat dyan in amend ng Korte Suprema na po pwedeng magtanong on cross yung isang partido so long as on any relevant matter. Pero po, Your Honor, in the 2019 rules hindi po nabago. Yung rule po that is applicable to adverse witness Nakasulat po sa rule sa adverse witness, po pwede lang mag-cross sa mga bagay na napag-usapan during redirect. Uulitin ko po, mas pinalawig ng 2019 rules yung cross-examination for ordinary witnesses, pero sa adverse witness, which we have now, hindi po pinalawig ng Supreme Court. Dapat po may relevance sa naging pag-uusap ng abogado tsaka testigo during redirect. Now, that's the point. Now, as to who approved the confidential funds, Your Honor, it was not touched upon. It was not touched upon during the direct examination. Ulitin ko, 2019 rules, pinalawin yung cross for ordinary witness pero mas istrikto pa rin yung rule applicable when it comes to adverse witness. Objection, Your Honor, that's not allowed. During cross of an adverse witness, basis, rules of court.

786
02:44:15,750 --> 02:44:17,610
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, may I respond? Of

787
02:44:17,610 --> 02:44:18,010
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: course you

788
02:44:18,010 --> 02:44:29,270
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: may. Your Honor, my inquiry is based on the physical and financial plan for 2022, which was the subject matter of the inquiry in the examination in chief, Your Honor.

789
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:37,750
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: So the inquiry is necessitated to inform this honorable court of the entire picture.

790
02:44:43,680 --> 02:45:00,220
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: For the meantime, overruled the objection, also because this has been established, but I would like to remind counsel, this has been established already by the previous witnesses' counsel, that the confidential funds was by virtue of a sorrow, and it is indeed in the document that you are referring to.

791
02:45:00,900 --> 02:45:05,180
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Overall, with this, may I answer? May I repeat my question, Your Honor?

792
02:45:08,610 --> 02:45:16,590
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The Office of the President, through the Executive Secretary, approved the Office of the Vice President request. for confidential funds. Opo,

793
02:45:16,690 --> 02:45:17,050
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor.

794
02:45:17,670 --> 02:45:30,980
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And this approval is why the OVP was allocated confidential funds for 2022. Ito po yung dahilan kung bakit nagkaroon ng confidential funds ang OVP noong taong 2022.

795
02:45:31,540 --> 02:45:32,680
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

796
02:45:33,220 --> 02:45:49,000
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: So you also prepared the physical and financial plan for 2023. This physical and financial plan was based on the General Appropriations Act, correct? Yes po. Gaap po.

797
02:45:51,350 --> 02:45:58,150
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And the General Appropriations Act for 2023 allocates confidential funds for the Office of the Vice President.

798
02:45:58,710 --> 02:45:59,390
Gina F. Acosta: Opo.

799
02:45:59,870 --> 02:46:09,290
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The General Appropriations Act contains a line item allocation for OVP's socio-economic program delivery, correct? Yes

800
02:46:09,290 --> 02:46:25,390
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: po. The General Appropriations Act for 2023 was approved by the Senate and the House of Representatives, correct? Opo, Your Honor. Which is why, for the physical and financial plan for 2023, you indicated socio-economic program delivery.

801
02:46:26,150 --> 02:46:26,890
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po.

802
02:46:27,700 --> 02:46:32,000
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And in this physical and financial plan, the Vice President is a signatory, correct?

803
02:46:32,850 --> 02:46:34,910
Gina F. Acosta: Isa po siya sa nagperma, Your Honor.

804
02:46:36,700 --> 02:46:44,990
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: You mentioned that you prepared the documents for liquidation. You also executed certifications, correct?

805
02:46:45,630 --> 02:46:47,210
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. The

806
02:46:47,210 --> 02:46:50,670
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: form of the certification is provided by the Joint Circular, correct?

807
02:46:51,540 --> 02:46:52,040
Gina F. Acosta: Yes,

808
02:46:52,040 --> 02:46:55,940
Gina F. Acosta: po. In fact, the form of said certification is

809
02:46:55,940 --> 02:46:58,680
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: contained in Annex B of the Joint Circular.

810
02:46:59,850 --> 02:47:01,430
Gina F. Acosta: Ano po, Your Honor?

811
02:47:01,850 --> 02:47:09,530
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May the witness be confronted with Defense Exhibits D-I-136, Annex B.

812
02:47:09,980 --> 02:47:11,440
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Assisting counsels may approach.

813
02:47:11,900 --> 02:47:18,400
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Which is the template of the certification, Your Honor, attached in the Joint Circular.

814
02:47:19,320 --> 02:47:27,600
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Ito. Tama po, ma'am, no, na ang form ng certification ay nakalagay sa Annex B ng Joint Circular.

815
02:47:27,940 --> 02:47:28,840
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

816
02:47:29,600 --> 02:47:38,780
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And the Joint Circular states or provides the contents that must appear in the certification. Tama po?

817
02:47:39,490 --> 02:47:40,270
Gina F. Acosta: This one?

818
02:47:41,130 --> 02:47:47,190
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Nakalagay po dyan kung anong mga aligasyon na dapat naka-indicate sa certification, tama po?

819
02:47:47,490 --> 02:47:48,050
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po.

820
02:47:48,870 --> 02:47:56,650
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: The Joint Circular does not give you any authority to alter the form it has given for the certification. Tama po? Tama po.

821
02:48:01,690 --> 02:48:12,130
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And when you were preparing the liquidation documents, nabanggit niyo rin po kanina na you had the opportunity to examine the documents which is submitted to the COA, correct?

822
02:48:13,640 --> 02:48:14,540
Gina F. Acosta: Ano po yun?

823
02:48:14,580 --> 02:48:24,340
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Nung pong nag-prepare kayo ng liquidation, nabanggit nyo rin po kanina na nakita nyo po yung mga documents na kailangan, tama po? Sa liquidation?

824
02:48:24,900 --> 02:48:25,420
Gina F. Acosta: Opo.

825
02:48:26,880 --> 02:48:34,690
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And nakita mo rin po dun yung liquidation report, tama po? Yung mga liquidation reports kada quarter? Opo.

826
02:48:37,110 --> 02:48:47,430
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And you were able to see that the Vice President certified that a cash advance for confidential funds was duly accomplished. Tama po ba?

827
02:48:47,810 --> 02:48:48,690
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

828
02:48:49,530 --> 02:48:59,050
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Nung habang nagli-liquidate din po kayo para sa confidential funds kada quarter, you are, you remain in coordination with the security officer.

829
02:49:00,600 --> 02:49:04,710
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Opo. And ito pong coordination na to, pertain... Your Honor,

830
02:49:04,810 --> 02:49:05,030
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, ah,

831
02:49:05,150 --> 02:49:06,170
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: kada i-object?

832
02:49:06,710 --> 02:49:07,890
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes, what is the

833
02:49:07,890 --> 02:49:34,920
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: basis of the objection, counsel? That's not even a question. There was no question. The counsel is just stating a statement and waiting for the witness to confirm. The witness is justifying. There's no question. What's the basis of the... There's no question. There was a question, Your Honor. There's no question on record. You're just stating a statement and waiting for this witness to say, yes, tama po. That was a question.

834
02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:45,110
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Actually, it assumes that the question was in seriatim, I presume. Yes, Your Honor. In declarative form, Your

835
02:49:45,110 --> 02:49:47,490
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Honor. A question

836
02:49:47,490 --> 02:49:47,730
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: in

837
02:49:47,730 --> 02:49:47,950
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: declarative

838
02:49:47,950 --> 02:49:53,670
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: form? Yes,

839
02:49:57,070 --> 02:50:01,530
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor.

840
02:50:28,700 --> 02:50:37,100
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Ito po yung dahilan kung bakit alam nyo kung papaano in-implement ang confidential funds on the ground. Tama po ba?

841
02:50:37,260 --> 02:50:38,080
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po.

842
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:52,610
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And after your examination of the documents, as you mentioned earlier, and your coordination with the security officer, you are satisfied that the confidential funds were used in connection with confidential activities?

843
02:50:53,370 --> 02:50:56,730
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, based sa mga documents na sinabit niya sa akin.

844
02:50:57,620 --> 02:51:10,540
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: During the examination in chief of the prosecution, you also testified that the security officer did not sign the physical and financial plan? the accomplishment report,

845
02:51:10,860 --> 02:51:30,750
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: the liquidation report, and the certifications, despite the inputs and guidance provided. Pero tama po ba na wala sa Joint Circular nagbabawal from getting inputs and guidance from a security officer in preparation of the physical and financial plan?

846
02:51:31,430 --> 02:51:34,950
Gina F. Acosta: Sa pagkaintindi ko po, wala pong pagbabawal doon.

847
02:51:35,350 --> 02:51:45,000
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Tama rin po ba na walang nakalagay sa Joint Circular na bawal? kumuha ng input o guidance from the security officer sa pag-prepare ng accomplishment report.

848
02:51:45,340 --> 02:51:46,280
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po.

849
02:51:46,520 --> 02:51:57,340
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Tama rin po ba na walang bawal sa Joint Circular kumuha ng input o guidance from a security officer in preparation of the liquidation report?

850
02:51:57,990 --> 02:51:58,910
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po.

851
02:51:59,570 --> 02:52:06,190
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Ganon din po sa certification. Wala pong pagbabawal na kumuha ng inputs and guidance from a security officer. Tama po?

852
02:52:07,010 --> 02:52:07,650
Gina F. Acosta: Wala

853
02:52:07,650 --> 02:52:24,580
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: rin pong nakalagay sa Joint Circular na kailangan nakapirma ang security officer. Tama po? Tama po. The forms provided by the Joint Circular is that these documents must be signed by an accountable officer. Tama po?

854
02:52:25,580 --> 02:52:27,920
Gina F. Acosta: Ano po yun na document? Yung pong

855
02:52:27,920 --> 02:52:46,120
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: physical and financial plan, accomplishment report, liquidation report, and certification. Ang nire-require po ng JC ng Joint Circular ay dapat nakalagda dito ang isang Accountable Officer, tama po? Tama po. At kayo po yun? Kayo po ay Accountable Officer, tama po?

856
02:52:46,360 --> 02:52:46,940
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po.

857
02:52:50,920 --> 02:52:54,320
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: You were also asked about acknowledgement receipts.

858
02:52:55,940 --> 02:53:02,760
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: You examined the acknowledgement receipts, correct? Yes po. And you tallied the amount?

859
02:53:03,240 --> 02:53:04,120
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

860
02:53:04,420 --> 02:53:10,320
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And you checked the purpose for which confidential funds were used in the acknowledgement receipts?

861
02:53:10,560 --> 02:53:11,340
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

862
02:53:11,700 --> 02:53:12,860
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Sinect mo rin po ba yung date?

863
02:53:15,230 --> 02:53:20,710
Gina F. Acosta: Nadaanan ko po yun ang mga date, Your Honor. And nakita niyo po na ang confidential funds ay

864
02:53:20,710 --> 02:53:22,150
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: ginamit within the period required?

865
02:53:22,930 --> 02:53:23,910
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

866
02:53:24,230 --> 02:53:29,270
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And satisfied po kayo na ito ay ginamit sa confidential expenses? Tama po?

867
02:53:29,570 --> 02:53:30,710
Gina F. Acosta: Tama po, Your Honor.

868
02:53:34,400 --> 02:53:55,370
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May nabanggit din po kayong accomplishment report during the examination of the prosecution. The Joint Circular provided a template for the accomplishment report, correct? Opo. The Joint Circular also provided that the accomplishment report must contain the specific detail by object, correct po?

869
02:53:55,670 --> 02:53:56,630
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

870
02:53:57,690 --> 02:54:03,430
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: By object, tama po ba na naintindihan nyo to as by category, tama po?

871
02:54:05,520 --> 02:54:06,760
Gina F. Acosta: Ano ang ibig sabihin po?

872
02:54:07,360 --> 02:54:22,810
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Sinabi sa Joint Circular na by object ang nakalagay dapat sa Accomplishment Report. Tama po ba na ang pagkakaintindi nyo dito ng by object is by category? Opo, Your Honor.

873
02:54:28,130 --> 02:54:38,150
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Since you prepared the liquidation documents, the Office of the Vice President submitted these documents to the Commission on Audit, correct?

874
02:54:38,710 --> 02:54:39,170
Gina F. Acosta: Opo.

875
02:54:40,070 --> 02:54:52,830
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: So you complied with the Joint Circular's requirement that the liquidation of confidential funds must be done within 30 days from the close of each quarter. Tama po? Tama

876
02:54:52,830 --> 02:54:53,390
Gina F. Acosta: po iyon.

877
02:54:53,770 --> 02:55:09,430
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: So for Quarter 1 po noong 2023, tama po ba na ang OVP nagsubmit ng liquidation documents sa Commissional Audit noong April 13, 2023.

878
02:55:12,310 --> 02:55:15,470
Gina F. Acosta: Ano po yung quarter, Your Honor?

879
02:55:16,270 --> 02:55:22,930
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May we ask that the witness be confronted with D-I-29-OVP.

880
02:55:24,050 --> 02:55:25,910
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That's for the first quarter, counsel?

881
02:55:26,170 --> 02:55:33,170
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Yes, Your Honor. The document is a cover letter addressed to Chairman Cordoba, Your Honor.

882
02:55:36,140 --> 02:55:46,070
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Do you confirm, ma'am, that there is a stamp received by the Commission on Audit, ICFAO, on April 13, 2023?

883
02:55:46,810 --> 02:55:48,890
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. For

884
02:55:48,890 --> 02:56:03,450
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Quarter 2 of 2023, Ma'am Gina, the OVP submitted the liquidation documents sa Commission on Audit on July 13, 2023. Naalala niyo po ba kung tama ito?

885
02:56:03,710 --> 02:56:07,360
Gina F. Acosta: Nagsubmit kami, Your Honor, pero... For the record, Your Honor,

886
02:56:11,200 --> 02:56:25,240
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: we would confront the witness with Defense Exhibits D-I-54-OVP. It's a cover letter, same cover letter, Your Honor. For the second quarter. For the second quarter.

887
02:56:25,580 --> 02:56:29,860
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor, nagsubmit po kami last July 13, 2023.

888
02:56:30,740 --> 02:56:38,830
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: And nakalagay po dyan na Tama po, may stamp received ang COA-ICFAO noong July 13, 2023, correct? Meron po,

889
02:56:38,910 --> 02:56:39,030
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your

890
02:56:39,030 --> 02:57:01,930
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Honor. Para sa Quarter 3 naman po, na liquidation, maalala niyo po ba kung kailan niyo sinubmit? Maalala niyo po ba kung tama ang date na October 26, 2023? For the record, Your Honor, we would want to confront the witness with D-I-78-OVP, Your Honor. Which is the same letter for Quarter 3 of 2023.

891
02:57:03,090 --> 02:57:11,790
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, napa-receive po sa Commission on Audit, Intelligence and Confidential Fund on October 26, 2023.

892
02:57:15,520 --> 02:57:23,580
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Do you confirm, Ma'am Gina, that there is a stamp received by the COA-ICFAO on October 26, 2023?

893
02:57:24,380 --> 02:57:29,060
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor, meron. And you

894
02:57:29,990 --> 02:57:41,500
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: are aware that for Quarters 1 to 3, This would be disallowed in a notice of disallowance number 2026-001, correct?

895
02:57:42,540 --> 02:57:44,960
Gina F. Acosta: Mayroon pong disallowance, Your Honor.

896
02:57:47,050 --> 02:58:06,480
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: May we confront the witness with Defense Exhibits D-I-9, which is the notice of disallowance dated number 2026-001, Your Honor. Tama po. Ito po yung disallowance ng Quarter 1 to 3 of 2023?

897
02:58:08,150 --> 02:58:10,390
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Ito po.

898
02:58:10,690 --> 02:58:18,210
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: At ito pong notice of disallowance na to, tama po ba na in-issue ito ng Commission on Audit noong March 31, 2026?

899
02:58:19,640 --> 02:58:21,320
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. At

900
02:58:21,320 --> 02:58:27,580
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: in-issue po ito ng Commission on Audit habang ang Committee on Justice ay nagkoconduct ng mini-trial against the Vice President, correct?

901
02:58:28,800 --> 02:58:31,320
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Objection, Your Honor. Relevance. What's

902
02:58:31,320 --> 02:58:49,880
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: the relevance? Not touched upon, meaning the use of the term minute trial. That's one. Number two, not touched upon during direct examination. The rules are more restrictive when it comes to cross-examination of an adverse witness. Exhibit A is the light of question of the defense.

903
02:58:50,630 --> 02:58:57,980
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kaili Reform Council, I will not sustain the objection. Neither will I overrule it. Just kindly reform, counsel, so

904
02:58:57,980 --> 02:58:58,520
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: that we can proceed.

905
02:58:59,350 --> 02:59:10,350
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: We will reform, Your Honor. This notice of disallowance was issued by the Commission on Audit while the Committee on Justice is conducting its hearing for impeachment. Correct?

906
02:59:13,390 --> 02:59:13,910
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Di

907
02:59:13,910 --> 02:59:15,090
Gina F. Acosta: ko maalala, Your

908
02:59:15,090 --> 02:59:22,690
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Honor. Pero na-receive niyo po itong notice of disallowance noong April 8, 2026. Tama po ba?

909
02:59:22,890 --> 02:59:29,790
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. May signature po ako dito na na-receive ko po April 8. 2026. So,

910
02:59:29,890 --> 02:59:44,730
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: na-receive niyo po yung Notice of Disallowance number 2026-001 on April 8, 2026. Kahit na-submit niyo na yung liquidation noong 2023 pa lamang, tama?

911
02:59:45,250 --> 02:59:46,530
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. At

912
02:59:46,530 --> 02:59:51,350
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: habang, this is in the middle of the Committee on Justice Hearings, correct?

913
02:59:52,320 --> 03:00:06,840
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi kasi ako nakapaminig, hindi kasi ako nakikinig sa D.B. at sa Kasaridjo, Your Honor. Mga about balita-balita, Your Honor. Kaya hindi ko makasagot.

914
03:00:11,810 --> 03:00:13,270
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Ma'am

915
03:00:15,600 --> 03:00:26,940
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Gina, kaya po ba paulit-ulit ang sagot niyo kanina? Kasi paulit-ulit lang rin po yung tanong sa inyo. Objection, that's vague. I withdraw, Your Honor. Nice try, vague.

916
03:00:29,000 --> 03:00:30,940
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: I withdraw the question, Your Honor. You

917
03:00:30,940 --> 03:00:33,830
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: should. So withdrawn. Nice try.

918
03:00:46,860 --> 03:00:47,460
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: No further.

919
03:00:58,210 --> 03:00:59,070
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Madam

920
03:00:59,070 --> 03:00:59,930
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Witness,

921
03:01:02,110 --> 03:01:36,680
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: kanina, noong nakarang araw, while yung prosecution that is presenting you as an hostile or as we are accustomed to, hostile witness, sinabi niyo, In several instances, hindi mo masagot yung mga katanungan nangyari 2022 and prior to that. Kasi sabi mo, hindi mo na maalala. You remember having said that, hindi po ba?

922
03:01:38,280 --> 03:01:48,180
Gina F. Acosta: Yung mga tanong mo po, Your Honor, na sinabi mo yung sa Dabao na 460, di ko maalala yun, Your Honor.

923
03:01:48,360 --> 03:02:10,220
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi mo maalala. Pero ma'am, Kanina, diretso yung defense, tinatanong ka, nakatanggap ba ng audit observation memorandum? Natanggap ba ng notice of disallowance during your stint sa Davao City? Diretso, sabi mo, wala. Midlang naalala nyo. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm testing the committee. Can we allow counsel

924
03:02:10,220 --> 03:02:13,260
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: to finish? Now, digla

925
03:02:14,060 --> 03:02:17,660
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: mong naalala, 2019, 2018 to 2022.

926
03:02:19,190 --> 03:02:26,840
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Alam niyo po ba yung tinatawag nating selective memory, ma'am? Do you know that? Objection, Your Honor.

927
03:02:27,420 --> 03:02:27,980
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Argumentative.

928
03:02:28,140 --> 03:02:53,240
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, I'm confronting this witness with a fact that everybody heard. When I was asking questions, sabi niya conveniently hindi ko maalala. But when propounded with similar line of questioning as to events that happened in Davao City while she was an SDO, she said, Yes, I can remember derechal yung sagot. That's why I'm asking. That question has basis. Alam niyo po ba anong ibig sabihin ng selective memory?

929
03:02:54,770 --> 03:02:56,250
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If the witness knows.

930
03:02:57,910 --> 03:03:26,450
Gina F. Acosta: Ang ako, ang ibig sabihin po kanina, Your Honor, ang amount po na sinabi niyo na yun po ba, yan ba ang halaga ng confidential funds ng Davao City, yun po. Nag-concentrate ako. Ang intindi ko, ang pagsabot ko, Your Honor, is yung the amount po, hindi ko po maalala kung yun ba talaga, Your Honor.

931
03:03:26,870 --> 03:03:27,130
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That's

932
03:03:27,130 --> 03:03:30,150
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: your answer, ma'am. Ma'am, let's proceed po. Let's proceed, ma'am. That's the witness's

933
03:03:30,150 --> 03:03:30,390
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: answer.

934
03:03:30,550 --> 03:03:51,290
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, yes, yes, Mr. Presiding Officer. You know, ako, for two days, medyo nahihirapan sa mga tanong ko kasi sabi mo, hindi ka nakakaintindi. Masyado ng Tagalog. Naalala niyo po ba yung mga episodes na yan during the last hearing and this morning? Yes or no? Alala mo?

935
03:03:51,870 --> 03:03:53,050
Gina F. Acosta: Ano yan, Sir? Yung

936
03:03:53,050 --> 03:04:13,060
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: mga hindi mo maintindihan, yung mga tanong ko na tinatagalog po. Di ba naalala mo? Nasabi mo hindi ko maintindihan. That's why we had to go through the trouble of trying to interpret, translate into Visaya, Tagalog, and English. Alala po ba yan yung mga pangyayari yan sa loob ng courtroom? Di po ba? Yes, naalala

937
03:04:13,060 --> 03:04:19,240
Gina F. Acosta: ko, Your Honor, yung mga Tagalog na lalong, na deeper, dilikay ko ka sabot, Your Honor.

938
03:04:19,560 --> 03:04:31,300
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi ko maintindihan yung sabot now. But when it was the defense asking you, rapid, rapid,

939
03:04:33,220 --> 03:04:35,140
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: rapido. What's

940
03:04:35,140 --> 03:04:35,740
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: the question, Your

941
03:04:35,740 --> 03:04:36,040
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor? Wait, wait,

942
03:04:36,040 --> 03:04:37,200
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: not yet. Hold your horses.

943
03:04:37,200 --> 03:04:38,480
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Counsel is testifying, Your Honor.

944
03:04:38,500 --> 03:04:41,780
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Relax, relax. Hindi pa tapos. I'm just laying the premise. Relax.

945
03:04:43,860 --> 03:04:44,340
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Mabilis. There's

946
03:04:44,340 --> 03:04:45,080
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: no question, Your Honor.

947
03:04:46,050 --> 03:04:46,630
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Wait, wait.

948
03:04:48,000 --> 03:04:55,840
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Mabilis? Tagalog? All of a sudden, nasasagot mo, walang translation, nasasagot mo ng derecho.

949
03:04:56,780 --> 03:05:31,140
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, nag-ask ko sa iyo, Your Honor, kaya hindi ko, ang question niya, na ay mga question niya, Your Honor, na nagpa-repeat ko, kaya hindi kaya ko kasabot, hindi kaya ko ka-understand, Your Honor. Nagmutan ako sa... Kaya attorney, ay nagparipit ko po ng question sa kay attorney kung ano po yun. Hindi ko talaga na maintindihan or makuha ang iyong pangutana, Your Honor.

950
03:05:31,160 --> 03:05:39,700
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, I will not belabor the point. The records are crystal clear. I will move on. Oh, what? I move on to the next question.

951
03:05:40,380 --> 03:05:41,680
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Move to strike, Your Honor.

952
03:05:42,550 --> 03:05:43,530
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Council is testifying.

953
03:05:44,610 --> 03:05:45,170
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: That's a

954
03:05:45,170 --> 03:05:45,670
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: manifestation.

955
03:05:46,270 --> 03:05:49,390
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Motion denied. Motion denied, counsel. You should

956
03:05:49,390 --> 03:05:49,950
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: do your own...

957
03:05:49,950 --> 03:05:50,390
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let

958
03:05:50,390 --> 03:05:54,270
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: it stay the record. Okay, now, Madam Witness, sinabi mo kanina,

959
03:05:54,570 --> 03:06:09,090
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: si ano naman, si Colonel Achica naman yung may access to security information, kaya siya yung may alam sa confidential activities. Tsaka, naalala mong sinabi mo yan kanina, di po ba?

960
03:06:10,640 --> 03:06:29,940
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And then, kinonfron kayo ng Council for the Defense. Eh wala naman daw sa Joint Circular na yung trabaho ng Specialist Bursing Officer ay dapat alam yung mga confidential activities. Yun yung sagot nyo, di po ba?

961
03:06:32,570 --> 03:06:33,410
Gina F. Acosta: I'm confused.

962
03:06:33,710 --> 03:06:34,410
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ayun, yun

963
03:06:34,410 --> 03:06:37,110
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: na yun, ma'am eh. Nakukonfuse po kayo kung ako yung nagtatanong.

964
03:06:38,250 --> 03:06:40,450
Gina F. Acosta: Usapon niyo. Repeat, Your Honor. I'm

965
03:06:40,450 --> 03:06:40,670
Gina F. Acosta: just repeating

966
03:06:40,670 --> 03:07:00,810
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: this series of questions that were propounded to you by the defense. O ulitin ko. I will indulge. Ma'am, sinabi niyo kanina, si Colonel Achika yung nag-i-implement ng confidential activities kasi siya yung may access to security information. Yun, napakaklaro niyan, ma'am, ha?

967
03:07:01,210 --> 03:07:01,730
Gina F. Acosta: Opo.

968
03:07:01,810 --> 03:07:21,710
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Naaalala niyo po ba yan? Opo, Your Honor. Sinabi niyo rin, Kinonfirm mo yung observation ng Defense Council na on the other hand, yung Special Dispersing Officer naman, wala namang nakasulat dyan na may alam about confidential activities. Naaalala niyo po ba yan? Yung sagot niyo.

969
03:07:22,360 --> 03:07:26,640
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, naaalala ko. Sagot ko sa kay attorney. Ano

970
03:07:26,640 --> 03:07:28,100
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: yung pangalan ng attorney, ma'am, if you know?

971
03:07:28,960 --> 03:07:30,500
Gina F. Acosta: Atty. Lyndon.

972
03:07:30,660 --> 03:07:39,480
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, kailan niyo nakausap si Atty. Lyndon before this testimony? Atty. Lyndon. Not part of the... It is. It is. It is. Ma'am, kailan niyo last nakausap? Counsel may

973
03:07:39,480 --> 03:07:41,900
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: impeach the witness. She has been declared a hostile witness.

974
03:07:42,060 --> 03:07:42,460
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma 'am,

975
03:07:42,480 --> 03:07:43,800
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: look at me, ma'am. Tingin ka sa akin.

976
03:07:43,940 --> 03:07:45,160
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma'am, you are under oath.

977
03:07:45,460 --> 03:07:45,860
Gina F. Acosta: Opo.

978
03:07:46,020 --> 03:07:49,680
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, ma'am. Kailan mo last nakausap si Atty. Lyndon?

979
03:07:50,580 --> 03:07:54,030
Gina F. Acosta: Last week. Last, last week pa.

980
03:07:54,250 --> 03:07:55,330
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Last week or last, last week?

981
03:07:55,790 --> 03:08:00,680
Gina F. Acosta: Last, last week. Kasi last week... Umuwi ako ng Davao to visit my husband. And

982
03:08:00,680 --> 03:08:01,720
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: then? So doon

983
03:08:01,720 --> 03:08:03,060
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: mo nakita sa Atty. Lindon?

984
03:08:03,180 --> 03:08:03,260
Gina F. Acosta: No.

985
03:08:03,780 --> 03:08:04,600
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Last last week?

986
03:08:04,720 --> 03:08:06,240
Gina F. Acosta: Last last week, ma'am. Before I go. Ano

987
03:08:06,240 --> 03:08:06,580
Gina F. Acosta: pag-usapan niyo, ma'am?

988
03:08:06,620 --> 03:08:08,300
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Very interesting. Ano pag-usapan niyo?

989
03:08:08,500 --> 03:08:15,960
Gina F. Acosta: Na ano lang, natanong ko lang sa kanya kung what is the proceedings kung sa Senate hearing.

990
03:08:16,620 --> 03:08:18,240
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And then ano sinabi ng Atty. Lindon?

991
03:08:19,160 --> 03:08:22,560
Gina F. Acosta: Ganito, tatanongin po kayo, ma'am. Tapos,

992
03:08:22,560 --> 03:08:23,180
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: blah

993
03:08:23,180 --> 03:08:24,920
Gina F. Acosta: blah blah. And then now?

994
03:08:25,500 --> 03:08:28,480
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ba't sinasabi niya ano yung mga tanong itatanong sa iyo, hindi po ba?

995
03:08:28,740 --> 03:08:30,820
Gina F. Acosta: Wala. Wala siyang sinasabi, Your Honor.

996
03:08:31,780 --> 03:09:19,220
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, anyways. Now, let's go back. Sinasabi mo, security officer may access to security information. Now, if the tech is ready, can we show 3.27? 3.27 ng joint circular. But this is rather brief. I will read for everyone's consumption. Security officer... refers to a personnel who by reason of his duty or employment has been officially designated as such to have access to security information. Tanong, nasa 3.27 ba yung nabanggit kong provision? Yung terminong confidential activities. Yes or no?

997
03:09:21,710 --> 03:09:22,430
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Wala.

998
03:09:24,570 --> 03:09:27,950
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Wala diba? Yes or no?

999
03:09:29,180 --> 03:09:29,700
Gina F. Acosta: Confidensya.

1000
03:09:29,840 --> 03:09:35,200
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Wala po ba security information? Ma'am, I will confront you with a document. Please, Attorney Mark.

1001
03:09:57,930 --> 03:09:59,270
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Wala dyan, di po ba?

1002
03:10:00,860 --> 03:10:01,820
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po dito.

1003
03:10:02,240 --> 03:10:21,400
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pero, on the other hand, 3.29, this time, the definition of a special disbursing officer, nakasulat dyan, refers to head of agency or regular employee designated by the head of agency to be in charge of making disbursements of CF. Anong ibig sabihin ng CF?

1004
03:10:23,490 --> 03:10:30,070
Gina F. Acosta: In my own understanding, Your Honor, CF means confidential funds.

1005
03:10:30,210 --> 03:10:53,970
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Agree. Sa dalawang provision na yan, napakaklaro, trabaho mo as a special disbursing officer yung pag-disburse ng confidential funds. Wala sa security officer's definition ni isa. Wala dyan nakasulat na trabaho niya. Confidential activities. Pag-disburse ng confidential activities, tama po ba?

1006
03:10:54,530 --> 03:11:00,410
Gina F. Acosta: Ako po ang nag-disburse, Your Honor. Dili po siya ang nag-disburse. Siya lang po ang nag-implement, Your Honor.

1007
03:11:00,690 --> 03:11:15,130
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, that's your answer. Now, ma'am, sinabi mo kanina na as SDO, hindi naman required na may background in confidential activities, hindi po ba?

1008
03:11:16,150 --> 03:11:17,170
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

1009
03:11:18,010 --> 03:11:26,210
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sinabi din na walang necessary training into confidential activities, hindi po ba?

1010
03:11:29,760 --> 03:11:40,240
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Walang training in confidential activities na requirement for confidential, I mean, as an SDO, walang requirement na training in confidential activities.

1011
03:11:41,880 --> 03:11:42,980
Gina F. Acosta: I'm just curious,

1012
03:11:43,080 --> 03:11:46,300
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: ma'am, ano po ba yung natapos niyo, ma'am? Ano yung college degree niyo?

1013
03:11:48,420 --> 03:11:50,020
Gina F. Acosta: College graduate po, Your Honor.

1014
03:11:50,600 --> 03:11:51,720
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Anong kurso niyo?

1015
03:11:52,640 --> 03:11:54,360
Gina F. Acosta: Customs administration, Your Honor.

1016
03:11:54,540 --> 03:11:54,640
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Ma

1017
03:11:54,640 --> 03:11:55,520
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'am, saan kayo nag-aral?

1018
03:11:56,040 --> 03:11:57,200
Gina F. Acosta: Sa Davao po.

1019
03:11:57,400 --> 03:11:57,920
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Anong school?

1020
03:11:58,380 --> 03:11:59,700
Gina F. Acosta: Maths College of Technology.

1021
03:12:00,700 --> 03:12:01,440
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Customs administration.

1022
03:12:02,300 --> 03:12:03,280
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Did

1023
03:12:03,280 --> 03:12:05,620
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: you take a licensure exam?

1024
03:12:06,420 --> 03:12:08,080
Gina F. Acosta: Wala, Your Honor. Ma

1025
03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:14,780
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 'am, sinabi niyo na wala kayong background sa confidential activities. Hindi po ba?

1026
03:12:15,690 --> 03:12:17,870
Gina F. Acosta: Confidential operations, Your Honor. Confidential

1027
03:12:17,870 --> 03:12:22,990
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: operations. Yung tanong is, ba't kaya kayo yung, kung alam mo lang ha,

1028
03:12:26,050 --> 03:12:33,490
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: since wala kayong alam, yun yung pinapakita nyo sa mundo na wala kayong alam, ba't ka naging SDO kung alam mo?

1029
03:12:35,670 --> 03:12:37,390
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi mo rin alam. Misleading

1030
03:12:37,390 --> 03:12:38,150
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: argumentative,

1031
03:12:38,190 --> 03:12:38,330
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor.

1032
03:12:38,590 --> 03:12:42,610
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Complete the question, counsel, if I may.

1033
03:12:42,970 --> 03:12:43,590
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Kung

1034
03:12:43,590 --> 03:12:59,830
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: wala kayong training sa confidential activities, Bakit po kayo ang napili bilang SDO para pang hawakan ng confidential fund? Hindi lamang ng OVP, pati ng sa Davao po nun.

1035
03:13:01,550 --> 03:13:09,410
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam po, Your Honor, kung bakit ako po ang kinuha ng vice-presidente as SDO.

1036
03:13:09,750 --> 03:13:12,610
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sa OVP at sa City of Davao?

1037
03:13:14,610 --> 03:13:15,130
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sa

1038
03:13:15,130 --> 03:13:17,090
Gina F. Acosta: dalawa po, Your Honor. I

1039
03:13:17,090 --> 03:13:23,030
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: will ask this question, Your Honor, and there's basis. Hindi po ba? Naging SDO ka because

1040
03:13:24,660 --> 03:13:29,640
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: you follow orders blindly.

1041
03:13:33,110 --> 03:13:46,100
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Naging SDO ka kasi sinusunod mo lang lahat ng utos sa'yo. For example, ng Vice President.

1042
03:13:50,930 --> 03:14:02,670
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: We'll allow it, counsel. We'll allow it, counsel. Kindly answer, sa pananaw niyo po ba, yan ang dahilan kung bakit kayo ang hinirang ng SDO noong Davao at noong OBP?

1043
03:14:04,510 --> 03:14:05,970
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam, Your Honor.

1044
03:14:07,030 --> 03:14:14,010
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi mo rin alam? Hindi mo masabi na dahil sinusunod mo lahat ng inuuto sa'yo?

1045
03:14:15,550 --> 03:14:22,170
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam, Your Honor. Basta ako ginagawa ko lang, Your Honor, ang akong pagiging SDO, Your Honor.

1046
03:14:24,480 --> 03:15:07,240
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, let me continue. Your Honor, please. Please proceed. Madam Witness, sinabi mo kanina, eh yung pagre-report ko naman, that was in coordination with the security officer. In coming up with the report, in coordination with the security officer. Di ba naalala mo yung tanong tsaka sagot na iyan kanina? During cross-examination by the defense. Alala niyo po ba? Opo. Ba't hindi po ba sinabi niyo rin? Ako ako yung nagtatanong while I was asking you, sinabi naman ni Colonel La Chica na huwag nang magtanong kasi nga paano ini-implement kasi confidential yung mga ginagawa niya. Di ba nasabi niyo yan when I was asking you questions?

1047
03:15:08,600 --> 03:15:10,000
Gina F. Acosta: Giverify ko po, Your Honor.

1048
03:15:10,260 --> 03:15:47,560
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Okay, we will go into that. Do you want me to repeat the question? Kanina sinabi mo you came up with the report in coordination with the security officer. You said yes. But... When I was asking you questions, sinabi mo, may mga sinabi si Attorney, si Colonel LaChica na huwag mo nang tatanungin yan kasi that is confidential, that's part of confidential activities. Naalala mong sagot na yan, di ba? Opo. Opo. So therefore, you tried verifying kay Colonel LaChica, sasabihin niya, Ma'am Gina, huwag mong itatanong yan kasi nga, confidential. Pero, you

1049
03:15:49,860 --> 03:15:55,780
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: still submitted certifications na tama yung pinaggamitan. The Colonel La Chica ng Confidential Activities.

1050
03:15:55,920 --> 03:15:56,480
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Based

1051
03:15:56,480 --> 03:15:57,900
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: po sa... I

1052
03:15:57,900 --> 03:16:02,700
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: mean, the... Kindly answer the question, Ma'am Gina. Based sa?

1053
03:16:03,780 --> 03:16:15,400
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-based ko din po yun sa mga documents, Your Honor, na binigay sa akin ni Colonel La Chica after po matapos po ang pag-implement ng Confidential Funds, Your Honor.

1054
03:16:15,760 --> 03:16:28,400
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Mga documents na sinabi niyo rin kanina, klarong-klaro, crystal clear. na wala kayong personal knowledge or personal nananalaman. Hindi po ba?

1055
03:16:28,840 --> 03:16:30,020
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Ah, sinanser, Your Honor.

1056
03:16:30,060 --> 03:16:36,020
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Your Honor, this is another topic. On redirect, no? Wait, let me answer. Ano

1057
03:16:36,020 --> 03:16:36,420
Gina F. Acosta: po, sir?

1058
03:16:36,700 --> 03:16:46,840
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Wala po kayong personal knowledge dun sa mga intelligence, confidential activities na ginawa ni La Chica. Binasin niyo lang sa dokumentong binigay niya.

1059
03:16:47,340 --> 03:16:54,270
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor. Pag-verify na ko sa'yo. Ibig sabihin mo, verified yung pagpangutanan ako sa iya, Your Honor. Okay.

1060
03:16:54,410 --> 03:17:08,490
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let me continue. Now, sinabi niyo kanina na wala namang requirement, na may alam sa confidential activities, walang training. Pero hindi po ba, ma'am, na requirement sa SDO yung pagkakaroon ng common sense?

1061
03:17:14,800 --> 03:17:16,460
Gina F. Acosta: Anong ibig sabihin, Your Honor?

1062
03:17:16,760 --> 03:17:42,300
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Uy, napaka-claro ng tanong ko. Ma'am, I will repeat the question. Sinabi niyo, wala namang requirement. na may alam sa confidential activities, walang special training sa confidential activities. Pero hindi po ba, bilang SDO, at least naman lang ma'am, required na yung SDO na pinipili ng isang Vice President ay may common sense.

1063
03:17:43,200 --> 03:17:44,880
Gina F. Acosta: May utak po ako, Your Honor.

1064
03:17:45,040 --> 03:17:55,290
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Now, kanina, sinabi din ng Defense Council, na yung certification that you identified apat,

1065
03:17:55,450 --> 03:17:56,270
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: eh

1066
03:17:56,270 --> 03:18:04,140
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: may format naman. May format naman yung joint circular, hindi po ba?

1067
03:18:04,400 --> 03:18:05,660
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. And

1068
03:18:05,660 --> 03:18:16,950
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: then, sinabi ng defense, hindi kayo allow to modify yung content ng format na iyan. Objection,

1069
03:18:16,950 --> 03:18:45,430
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor.

1070
03:18:47,570 --> 03:18:48,110
Gina F. Acosta: So

1071
03:18:48,110 --> 03:18:51,170
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sinabi kanina na since may format yung certification,

1072
03:18:51,630 --> 03:18:52,870
Gina F. Acosta: hindi

1073
03:18:52,870 --> 03:19:02,490
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: po pwedeng i-modify ng Office of the Vice President yung format na yan. Hindi po ba? Opo. Opo. Pero ma'am, hindi

1074
03:19:04,410 --> 03:19:21,100
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: po ba required, at least naman lang ma'am, common sense naman lang, na kung sa tingin mo, hindi tama yung nakasulat sa certification, hindi mo pipirmahan. Common sense po ba yan, di ba?

1075
03:19:21,540 --> 03:19:29,080
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Your Honor, we object to the question because the prosecution is already badgering the witness, Your Honor. No,

1076
03:19:29,080 --> 03:19:31,400
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: I'm not badgering. It's

1077
03:19:31,400 --> 03:19:33,560
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: a demeaning request, Your Honor. That's

1078
03:19:33,560 --> 03:19:33,620
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: not

1079
03:19:33,620 --> 03:19:34,080
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: badgering.

1080
03:19:34,080 --> 03:19:51,730
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Overall, counsel, witness may answer. Ma'am Gina, dahil hindi niyo pwedeng baguhin, hindi naman nangangahulugan na pag hindi toto'y nakalagay doon, hindi niyo pipirman. Pinirmahan niyo yan dahil sa paniniwala niyo. Totoo yung nakalagay doon. Sa certification po ha.

1081
03:19:52,510 --> 03:20:12,510
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, totoo, Your Honor, kaya meron naman po akong mga documents na gikan ang galing kay Colonel Lachican na security officer after po na-implement niya ang confidential operations, Your Honor. Kaya nag-firmak ko, Your Honor, mo ito ang isa sa gibasihan o basis, Your Honor. Your

1082
03:20:12,510 --> 03:20:29,640
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor, since it has been raised again, I will ask this question again. Pero paano mo nalaman na na-implement yung ng tama through the document? Eh sinabi mo na eh. Wala kang personal na alam eh.

1083
03:20:31,100 --> 03:20:31,700
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: As an

1084
03:20:31,700 --> 03:20:37,680
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: answer, Your Honor. It was phrased again, that's why I have to repeat that. Witness may answer.

1085
03:20:38,260 --> 03:20:42,640
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Continuing objection on these lines of question, Your

1086
03:20:42,640 --> 03:20:43,140
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Honor. The continuing

1087
03:20:43,140 --> 03:20:49,580
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: objection of counsel with respect to this line of question is duly noted. Witness may answer.

1088
03:20:52,050 --> 03:20:53,350
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes ma'am. Pakisagot po.

1089
03:20:53,670 --> 03:21:21,790
Gina F. Acosta: I sign the certification, Your Honor, na tama po yun. Kasi meron akong gibasihan, meron akong basis na galing po sa security officer na si Colonel La Chica na binigay niya sa akin, Your Honor, after po matapos ang pag-implement. ng confidential activities, Your Honor.

1090
03:21:22,130 --> 03:21:23,010
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now,

1091
03:21:24,950 --> 03:21:50,340
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: iba pa nga yung pagpipirma eh, ma'am. Common sense will tell us we will not raise our hand under oath before a notary public kung hindi totoo yung nakasulat sa certification.

1092
03:21:52,110 --> 03:21:55,080
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: na pinirmahan mo. Agree po ba?

1093
03:21:56,050 --> 03:21:57,690
Gina F. Acosta: Totoo po iyon, Your Honor.

1094
03:21:57,990 --> 03:22:40,210
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba, ma'am, na yung certification, yung example, January 10, 2024, hindi nga lang permado ng isang Gina F. Acosta. Ito rin ay notarized ng isang notary public. Sinasabi dito, subscribed. and Soren II before me this January 16. So sinasabi niyo po ba? Pinirmahan niyo? On one hand. On the other hand, humarap kayo sa isang notary public, pinirmahan niyo ang certification na yan, eh kasi yun naman yung format na binibigyan yung Joint Circular. Is that what you're telling the public, ma'am?

1095
03:22:40,750 --> 03:22:41,910
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Argumentative and misleading,

1096
03:22:42,170 --> 03:22:42,850
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor. There's

1097
03:22:42,850 --> 03:22:48,370
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: basis to that question, Your Honor. Sustained counsel, it's misleading. Okay, now. Now, I will move on, Your Honor.

1098
03:22:50,040 --> 03:22:55,710
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Sinasabi mo na ikaw ay isang accountable officer, hindi po ba?

1099
03:22:56,070 --> 03:22:56,970
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

1100
03:22:57,330 --> 03:23:10,350
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, within the four corners of the Joint Circular, si Colonel Achica ba as a security officer? Isang accountable officer?

1101
03:23:11,230 --> 03:23:12,990
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Argumentative, Your Honor, and ask

1102
03:23:12,990 --> 03:23:15,650
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: and answer. Witness will answer. It's

1103
03:23:15,650 --> 03:23:16,190
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: a valid point.

1104
03:23:17,480 --> 03:23:21,280
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi siya accountable, Your Honor, pero siya ang gatagit.

1105
03:23:25,060 --> 03:23:40,640
Gina F. Acosta: gihatagan siya ni Vice President Sara Duterte as security officer, Your Honor, na siya ang mag-implement sa mga confidential activities sa grounds, Your Honor. Pero ako paghihapon ang accountable officer, Your Honor.

1106
03:23:40,960 --> 03:24:01,600
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: On this point, counsel, ma'am, may dokumento po ba kayo na nagpapakita na... In-appoint ni Vice President Duterte si Colonel Lachica bilang security officer at na siya ang mag-implement ng confidential fund. O verbal lang po yan?

1107
03:24:01,880 --> 03:24:08,320
Gina F. Acosta: Meron pong ano, black and white, papel po, Your Honor. May office

1108
03:24:08,320 --> 03:24:08,940
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: order po?

1109
03:24:09,360 --> 03:24:12,140
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, office order. Tama po, Your Honor. May kopya

1110
03:24:12,140 --> 03:24:12,800
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: po ba kayo nun?

1111
03:24:13,980 --> 03:24:17,040
Gina F. Acosta: Wala akong kopya, Your Honor, pero sa office meron.

1112
03:24:17,660 --> 03:24:18,460
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay, counsel.

1113
03:24:18,680 --> 03:24:28,990
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let me proceed. So, between you and Colonel La Chica, ma'am, ikaw yung banded. Ikaw yung may fidelity bond. Si Colonel La Chica wala, di po ba?

1114
03:24:29,330 --> 03:24:30,270
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

1115
03:24:30,330 --> 03:24:30,390
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: And

1116
03:24:30,390 --> 03:24:37,910
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: then sa mga dokumentong sinubitin nyo sa COA, ikaw yung nakikitang nag-disperse ng confidential funds, di po ba?

1117
03:24:38,190 --> 03:24:43,150
Gina F. Acosta: I-disperse ko po sa security officer na si Colonel La Chica, Your Honor.

1118
03:24:43,210 --> 03:24:47,140
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Let me guess, kasi siya yung appointed as? security

1119
03:24:47,140 --> 03:24:48,540
Gina F. Acosta: officer ng

1120
03:24:48,540 --> 03:24:49,860
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: opisita niyo, hindi po ba?

1121
03:24:50,800 --> 03:24:52,580
Gina F. Acosta: Siya po ang i-appoint, Your Honor. Si

1122
03:24:52,580 --> 03:24:52,700
Gina F. Acosta: Mama, i

1123
03:24:52,700 --> 03:24:53,800
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: -memorize your answer na. Now.

1124
03:24:56,390 --> 03:24:57,450
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Move to strike, Your

1125
03:24:57,450 --> 03:24:59,370
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor, impertinence. That's

1126
03:24:59,370 --> 03:25:03,230
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: a manifestation, Your Honor. The council can make a counter-manifestation. Leave it.

1127
03:25:03,790 --> 03:25:05,850
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let it be on the record.

1128
03:25:06,170 --> 03:25:19,240
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, Colonel La Chica is not banded. As an answer, Your Honor. Hindi po ba, or better yet, alam niyo po ba, Miss Gina Acosta?

1129
03:25:21,870 --> 03:25:42,680
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: na ikaw yung maaring makulong kapag napatunayan sa isang criminal court yung crime, for example, ng plunder. Alam niyo yung gravity ng isang kaso for plunder?

1130
03:25:43,160 --> 03:25:48,280
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Ask and answer, Your Honor, and the prosecution is badgering the witness, Your Honor. Your

1131
03:25:48,280 --> 03:25:50,400
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Honor, I am testing the credibility of this witness.

1132
03:25:50,800 --> 03:26:02,170
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Overall counsel, if the witness knows. She's not a lawyer and her background is customs administration. If she knows. Alam niyo po ba yung sagot sa tanong ng abogado, Ms. Gina?

1133
03:26:02,730 --> 03:26:05,790
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam ang ibig sabihin, Your Honor.

1134
03:26:06,780 --> 03:26:34,070
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi niyo alam, ma'am, na between you and Col. La Chica, kasi Col. La Chica ay wala namang track, walang trace sa mga dokumento. Ikaw yung po pwedeng makulong for misappropriation of confidential funds. Hindi si Colonel La Chica. That question is so simple. Alam niyo po ba yan? Speculative, Your Honor. Your Honor, okay, can I explain? That's not speculative, Your Honor, please. That's not an if and when question. There's basis for that.

1135
03:26:34,810 --> 03:26:35,210
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Witness

1136
03:26:35,210 --> 03:26:35,810
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: will answer.

1137
03:26:36,550 --> 03:26:37,290
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If she knows.

1138
03:26:38,380 --> 03:27:13,160
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, based sa GC po, ang accountable officer po ay ang SDO. Kaya po, ako ang accountable officer. Kaya, I see to it na merong makuha akong, merong documents po na maibigay si Colonel La Chica after po matapos po ang pag-implement ng confidential activities, Your Honor. Kasi ako po ang magagawa ng liquidation kasi ako man po ang accountable officer, Your Honor. A

1139
03:27:13,160 --> 03:27:16,400
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: few more questions, Your Honor, please. Proceed, Pastor. Madam.

1140
03:27:18,110 --> 03:29:16,450
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Paulit-ulit, sinasabi niyo, yung certification niyo, liquidation report, base yan sa dokumento, tsaka inputs, information galing mismo sa isang tao, galing sa isang tao lang, si Colonel La Chica, hindi po ba? Yes, now this is now the question now. Ma'am, alam niyo po ba yung nilalaman ng letter C ng 6.3 ng Joint Circular. Do we have that? Please show that. While it is being shown, babasahin ko for the public to understand. Trabaho ng isang opisina, head of agency, to institute and maintain sound and effective internal control measures to discourage and prevent irregular, unnecessary, excessive, extravagant, and unconscionable expenditures as well as promote prudence in the use of government resources. Trabaho po ng isang ahensya like the Office of the Vice President, Head of Agency na magkaroon ng internal control upang mapigilan yung irregular, unnecessary, Excessive, extravagant. Now, ito yung tanong now. Yung proseso nyo, binibigay mo kay Colonel Achika yung 125 million pesos. Colonel Achika yung nagsasabi ano yung activities. Nagsasubmit siya ng mga dokumento na inamin nyo. Wala kayong personal knowledge. Hindi nyo malam kung totoo ba. Now, nagpapakita ba yan ng rinirequire na internal control? sa loob ng Office of the Vice President. Yes or no?

1141
03:29:16,930 --> 03:29:19,450
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Argumentative, Your Honor. There's basis to the question, Your Honor.

1142
03:29:20,680 --> 03:29:26,260
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: If that's your last question, Counsel, I'll allow it. But actually, it is argumentative. Another one, Your Honor.

1143
03:29:28,260 --> 03:29:29,980
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Proceed to your last question, Counsel.

1144
03:29:30,020 --> 03:29:31,920
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Now, eto now.

1145
03:29:33,510 --> 03:29:34,970
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Yung tinatanong sa'yo,

1146
03:29:37,020 --> 03:29:51,380
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: sinasabi mo, e, bine-verify ko naman yung mga inputs yung mga information, yung mga dokumento galing kay Col. La Chica. Naalala niyo po ba yan?

1147
03:29:51,860 --> 03:29:54,920
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, gi-verify ko kay security officer, Your Honor.

1148
03:29:55,480 --> 03:30:04,560
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: In verifying information handed to you, delivered to you, documents delivered to you by Col. La Chica, Ma'am.

1149
03:30:06,140 --> 03:30:13,320
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Hindi po ba kalukuhan na yung bine-verify niyo, eh yung tao mismo nagbigay ng information? Argumentative, Your Honor.

1150
03:30:15,080 --> 03:30:19,140
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Council, Reform Council, you know what I'm referring to.

1151
03:30:19,440 --> 03:30:19,980
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: That's all,

1152
03:30:20,140 --> 03:30:23,460
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Police Witness, Your Honor. Thank you, Attorney Legutan.

1153
03:30:23,660 --> 03:30:39,660
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Rick Ross, if any? Just a few questions, Your Honor. Ma'am, nag-testify po kayo noong... Ma'am, nag-testify po kayo sa Committee on Good Governance and Public Accountability noong November 25, 2024. Naalala niyo po ba yun?

1154
03:30:40,600 --> 03:30:43,460
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, nag-add to ko dito. I was there.

1155
03:30:45,740 --> 03:30:57,320
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: At naalala niyo rin po ba na sinabi niyo sa committee kung pwede kang magsalita ng Bisaya?

1156
03:30:59,220 --> 03:31:00,180
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: Naalala niyo po ba?

1157
03:31:00,740 --> 03:31:11,540
Gina F. Acosta: Naalala ko, Your Honor, na nagkasulti pa gani ko na, ay sorry po, nagbisaya ako. Sorry po na nasagulan ako o bisaya.

1158
03:31:12,800 --> 03:31:27,660
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: At tama rin po ba na sinabi ng chairperson sa inyo, ng komite, na kahit may request kayo na magbisaya, still try your best to speak in English or Filipino. Tama po ba?

1159
03:31:28,180 --> 03:31:33,900
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, nag-ingon po ko, nagsagot ko sa IAHA, I answered na, Yes, ma'am, I will try my best.

1160
03:31:35,320 --> 03:31:36,820
Atty. Lindon Miguel C. Bacquel: No further questions, Your Honor.

1161
03:31:40,110 --> 03:31:55,330
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Earlier, several senator-judges registered their intention to make some interjections. Ma'am Gina, yung mga senator-judge naman po ang magtatanong sa inyo. First to register is Senator Pangilinan. You may proceed, sir, when you're ready and you have two minutes.

1162
03:32:02,050 --> 03:32:14,330
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The sequence so far would be in this order after Senator Pangilinan, Senator Erwin Tulfo, Senator Raffi, the Senate President, Senator Entiveros, Senator Lacson, and Senator Villanueva.

1163
03:32:14,590 --> 03:32:30,150
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Thank you, Mr. President. Magandang hapon na ginangji na Acosta. Sabi niyo kanina na kayo ang disbursing officer at yung paglipat niyo ng pondo kay La Chica ay na-disburs ninyo ang pondo. Tama?

1164
03:32:31,190 --> 03:32:34,090
Gina F. Acosta: Nadisberse ko po kay Colonel La Chica, Your Honor. Pag

1165
03:32:34,090 --> 03:32:39,800
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: nadisberse ba ang pondo, ibig sabihin hindi na ito pondo ng gobyerno.

1166
03:32:41,700 --> 03:32:55,760
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Alibawa, bumili kayo ng supplies, nadisberse yung pondo, binayaran yung supplies. Pag nabayaran na yung supplies, hindi na yun pondo ng gobyerno, tama?

1167
03:32:57,740 --> 03:33:01,440
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Pag nabayaran na yung supplies, hindi na pondo ng gobyerno, tama?

1168
03:33:02,700 --> 03:33:06,560
Gina F. Acosta: Pero ang supplies po, Your Honor, is property na po ng goberno.

1169
03:33:07,280 --> 03:33:15,650
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Hindi, yung pondo ang pinag-uusapan. Pag nabayaran na yung supplies, yung pondo na nailipat, yun yung disbursement. Tama.

1170
03:33:18,190 --> 03:33:31,410
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Ibig sabihin, yung paglipat ng pondo kay La Chica, disbursement ba yun? O yung paglipat ng pondo mula kay La Chica sa supplies o medicines, yun yung disbursement?

1171
03:33:32,330 --> 03:33:42,290
Gina F. Acosta: Ang ibig sabihin ko po, yung pag-disburse ko ng pera kay La Chica po, yan po ang disbursement ko, Your Honor.

1172
03:33:42,610 --> 03:33:53,110
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay, so pag-disburse, ibig sabihin hindi na wala ka ng tungkulin doon sa 125 million na nilipat? Kasi na-disburse mo na.

1173
03:33:53,670 --> 03:34:13,690
Gina F. Acosta: May tungkulin pa ako, Your Honor, kasi si La Chica po ay siya lang po ang... ang itinalaga na security officer, Your Honor, na siya ang mag-implement po, Your Honor, ng mga proyekto o activities po ng confidential, Your Honor, on the ground kasi siya po ang may eksperto, Your Honor.

1174
03:34:13,970 --> 03:34:20,650
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Yes, siya ang eksperto pero meron pa rin kayong tungkulin na tiyakin na tama yung disbursement. Tama.

1175
03:34:22,500 --> 03:34:27,280
Gina F. Acosta: Meron pa rin akong tungkulin, Your Honor, kasi ako man ang accountable officer, Your Honor. Exactly.

1176
03:34:27,760 --> 03:35:17,140
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So... Noong nilipat niyo kay Tlachica, sabi niyo, wala kayong alam doon sa pag-confidential fund expenses. Hindi ba? Sabi niyo, kasi po, values confidential operations, siya po ang eksperto. Kasi po, may alam, siya po ang may alam, Your Honor. Confidential po yun, Your Honor. Wala akong alam. So, paano kayo, Paano nyo babantayan yung disbursement kung wala kayong alam doon sa paggastos ng confidential funds? Pag sinabi nyo wala kayong alam, paano mo matitiyak na yung sinabit sa iyong affidavit dahil wala kayong alam, eh malalaman nyo na tama ang gastos.

1177
03:35:17,540 --> 03:35:38,040
Gina F. Acosta: Nagsubmit po siya sa akin ng confidential, nagsubmit po siya sa akin ng utilization report, Your Honor, at naniwala din ako kay La Chica, Your Honor, kasi siya po ang itinalaga ni Vice President Sara Duterte, Your Honor, as security officer, at siya po ang aming commanding officer ng BPSBG. Okay,

1178
03:35:38,420 --> 03:35:49,910
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: so naniwala kayo. Pero kung nakuha yung pondo at dineposito sa banko, personal account, Hindi nyo alam yun, hindi po ba?

1179
03:35:50,290 --> 03:35:52,490
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko nakita, Your Honor. So

1180
03:35:52,490 --> 03:35:57,050
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: hindi nyo alam kung inilipat sa private account.

1181
03:35:57,490 --> 03:35:59,670
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam, hindi ko nakita, Your Honor.

1182
03:35:59,690 --> 03:36:00,870
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi nyo rin alam kung

1183
03:36:00,870 --> 03:36:05,450
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: talagang tinanggap ni Mary Grace Piatus yung pondo personal. Hindi nyo rin alam.

1184
03:36:05,750 --> 03:36:07,770
Gina F. Acosta: Wala ako sa ground, Your Honor. Hindi

1185
03:36:07,770 --> 03:36:15,930
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: nyo rin alam kung nilipat yung pondo at ipinamudmod sa kung sino-sino. Tama.

1186
03:36:16,330 --> 03:36:17,990
Gina F. Acosta: Wala pa ako sa grandeur, Your Honor. Okay,

1187
03:36:17,990 --> 03:36:20,250
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: last two, last, wrapping up, Mr. President.

1188
03:36:20,490 --> 03:36:21,090
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly wind up.

1189
03:36:21,190 --> 03:36:32,650
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Yes. Yung nabanggit na 122 million para sa medicines at 112 million para sa supplies. Alam niyo yan, di ba?

1190
03:36:33,800 --> 03:36:41,580
Gina F. Acosta: Alam ko may purchases na ganyan pero di ko makabisado, Your Honor, ang amount, Your Honor. Di ko kainomdom kong pilatanan, Your Honor. So how

1191
03:36:41,580 --> 03:36:59,620
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: much, Your Honor? Hindi mo alam kung magkano dun sa 122 million ang binayad sa gamot pang tree planting. Hindi niyo rin alam kung magkano ang binayad na supplies para sa lakbay-aral dun sa confidential funds. Hindi niyo alam yung specific.

1192
03:37:00,240 --> 03:37:06,780
Gina F. Acosta: Meron pong binigay sa akin si security officer, Your Honor, yung fund utilization report, Your Honor, at saka yung

1193
03:37:06,780 --> 03:37:07,460
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: acknowledgement

1194
03:37:07,460 --> 03:37:08,580
Gina F. Acosta: receipt, Your

1195
03:37:08,580 --> 03:37:12,400
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Honor. So magkano ang medicines na napunta sa Lakbay Aral?

1196
03:37:13,590 --> 03:37:16,090
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko kabisadyo ang amount, Your Honor.

1197
03:37:16,410 --> 03:37:19,810
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Magkano ang medicines na napunta sa tree planting?

1198
03:37:20,430 --> 03:37:32,750
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko na maalala, Your Honor, magkano sa dami-dami pong ng acknowledgement receipt, Your Honor, na binigay at saka. at saka po yun sa fund utilization of Your Honor na apat po yun. So,

1199
03:37:32,750 --> 03:37:44,320
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: kung hindi nyo alam kung ito'y na-deposito sa bank account, hindi nyo rin alam. Kung dokumento lang, maaaring peke, hindi nyo rin alam kung talagang napunta sa tree planting o napunta sa Lakbay Aral.

1200
03:37:44,740 --> 03:37:58,840
Gina F. Acosta: Nagtiwala po ako sa security officer, Your Honor, kasi siya po ang gi-appoint ni Vice President, Your Honor, na siya po ang mag-implement ng confidential activities, Your Honor, on the ground. Kaya siya po ang eksperto, Your Honor. Thank

1201
03:37:58,840 --> 03:38:00,060
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you. No further questions for now.

1202
03:38:00,060 --> 03:38:00,200
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank

1203
03:38:00,200 --> 03:38:04,620
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you, Senator-Judge Panglinan. Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo, you may proceed when you're ready, sir. You have two minutes.

1204
03:38:09,820 --> 03:38:18,680
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Miss Gina Acosta, bago po kayo naging SDO ni VP Sara, ano po ang trabaho niyo?

1205
03:38:20,580 --> 03:38:30,620
Gina F. Acosta: Ano po? Sa office po ng Office of the Vice President, Vice Presidential Officer 6 po ako, Your Honor.

1206
03:38:30,800 --> 03:38:39,700
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: No, no mayor po siya. Anong trabaho niyo? Employado na ba kayo ng gobyerno? Paano kayo nagkakilala ng Vice President?

1207
03:38:40,440 --> 03:38:46,320
Gina F. Acosta: Employado na po ako ng gobyerno, Your Honor, sa Sangguniang Panglongsod, Your Honor. Anong

1208
03:38:46,320 --> 03:38:47,940
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: trabaho niyo po sa Sangguniang Panglongsod?

1209
03:38:49,500 --> 03:38:58,100
Gina F. Acosta: First po is stenographic reporter, Your Honor, and then po nagiging supply officer po, Your Honor.

1210
03:38:58,440 --> 03:39:01,080
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Anong year po kayo nagkakilala ng vice president?

1211
03:39:06,810 --> 03:39:15,030
Gina F. Acosta: Nakilala ko siya, Your Honor, yung nagiging vice mayor po siya sa Sangguniang Panglungsod, Your Honor.

1212
03:39:15,590 --> 03:39:18,430
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Tapos kinuha ka na niya sa kanyang opisina, gano'n po ba?

1213
03:39:19,130 --> 03:39:34,550
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, Your Honor. Nakilala ko lang siya bilang siya po ang vice mayor ng Davao City, Your Honor, sa Sangguniang Panglungsod, ang iyong opisina. Tapos ako doon din nag-opisina sa Sangguniang Panglungsod, Your Honor, sa admin office po.

1214
03:39:34,750 --> 03:39:38,650
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Kailan po kayo kinuhang SDO sa office of the mayor?

1215
03:39:41,130 --> 03:39:44,790
Gina F. Acosta: Siya na po ang mayor ng Davao City, Your Honor. Alright.

1216
03:39:46,140 --> 03:39:57,140
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Alam niyo po yung mga pangalang Mary Grace Piatos, Chipie McDonald, Pusa, Pagong, Ngit-ngit, Belat, na hindi po totoo mga tao ito, na mga totoong pangalan. Alam niyo po yun.

1217
03:39:57,830 --> 03:39:59,610
Gina F. Acosta: Na-encounter ko po yun.

1218
03:40:00,310 --> 03:40:04,290
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Alam niyo na hindi po totoo. Chipie McDonald ninyo, I'm sure.

1219
03:40:06,440 --> 03:40:08,900
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-rely po ako sa... Hindi

1220
03:40:08,900 --> 03:40:14,760
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: po. Common sense lang po. Pusa, Pagong. May apelido bang Pusa, Pagong sa Dabao?

1221
03:40:17,430 --> 03:40:20,970
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po akong narinig na ganyan, Your Honor. Pero

1222
03:40:20,970 --> 03:40:23,070
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: alam mo na ito po hindi totoong mga pangalan.

1223
03:40:25,840 --> 03:40:26,720
Gina F. Acosta: Totoong tao po

1224
03:40:26,720 --> 03:40:29,240
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: sila. Totoong pangalan pero hindi po totoong pangalan?

1225
03:40:31,040 --> 03:40:32,480
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, Your Honor. Okay.

1226
03:40:33,800 --> 03:40:57,420
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Kung hindi po totoong mga pangalan, bakit wala kayong record ng toong mga pangalan ng mga tao na tumanggap na CIF? Bakit di po ninyo niremind si Colonel La Chica o maging COVP na Sir, Ma'am? Kailangan po natin ang totoong pangalan ng recipient, the CIF, dahil baka hindi na kailangan ng COAT na sa Joint Memorandum Circular po yan. You should know that.

1227
03:40:58,830 --> 03:41:08,930
Gina F. Acosta: Sa nabasa ko po sa GC, Your Honor, hindi naman po sinasabi doon na kailangan po ang pangalan ng recipient po, Your Honor.

1228
03:41:09,610 --> 03:41:16,390
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: So sa pagkaintindi mo, hindi kailangan. Ano po yung nilalagay sa SAIFS ng mga dokumento?

1229
03:41:20,100 --> 03:41:20,580
Gina F. Acosta: Anong

1230
03:41:20,580 --> 03:41:26,560
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: nilalaman? Di ba pinapabili po kayo ng safe? Di po ba? At bumili kayo ng safe. Tama po?

1231
03:41:27,280 --> 03:41:29,580
Gina F. Acosta: Meron po kaming safe, Your Honor.

1232
03:41:29,760 --> 03:41:35,130
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Anong nilalagay sa safe? Nakalagay po sa Joint Memorandum Circular po yun.

1233
03:41:35,750 --> 03:41:38,830
Gina F. Acosta: Meron po ang nilalagay po doon yung mga documents po.

1234
03:41:41,630 --> 03:41:42,850
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Anong documents po yun?

1235
03:41:43,390 --> 03:41:44,510
Gina F. Acosta: Yung CDR po.

1236
03:41:46,030 --> 03:41:54,290
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Okay. Alam ninyo na si Colonel La Chica ay hindi po maaaring mag-disperse dahil wala siya fidelity ban. Pero dahil utos po sa iyo ni VP Sara, sumunod ka lang. Tama po.

1237
03:41:56,040 --> 03:41:56,860
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Instruction po yan.

1238
03:41:57,660 --> 03:41:59,080
Gina F. Acosta: Siya po ang... Kaya

1239
03:41:59,080 --> 03:41:59,360
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: nga po.

1240
03:42:00,800 --> 03:42:02,060
Gina F. Acosta: ...gidisignate ni Ma'am VP Sara

1241
03:42:02,060 --> 03:42:12,580
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: na security officer, Your Honor. Kaya nga po. Pero alam nyo na wala po siyang fidelity ban. And yet, dahil utos po ni VP, disperse po sa kanya. Tama po?

1242
03:42:14,200 --> 03:42:15,000
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor.

1243
03:42:15,100 --> 03:42:41,070
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Okay. So... Targap mo rin po ang rason ni Col. La Chica na huwag ka na magtanong kasi confidential fund yan. Hindi ka pwede magtanong. Despite the fact na ikaw ang disbursing officer at makasumabit ka. So hindi mo na tinanong, ano ba talaga ito Colonel? At na delikado, ito makasumabit ako. Eh tama na ba yung sagot niya? Huwag ka na magtanong, tumahimik ka na lang dyan dahil confidential fund yan. Eh ikaw ang disbursing officer.

1244
03:42:41,490 --> 03:42:43,710
Gina F. Acosta: Mayroon po siyang binigay sa akin, Your Honor, na

1245
03:42:45,570 --> 03:42:57,170
Gina F. Acosta: Fund utilization report po, Your Honor. Aside po sa pag-verify ko sa kanya kung ano, bakit ito ang pangalan, Your Honor, kasi confidential in nature po yun, Your Honor.

1246
03:42:57,570 --> 03:43:06,790
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: So sa tingin mo walang mali po sa paggasta ni Col. La Chica sa intelligence fund, confidential fund ng Office of the Vice President?

1247
03:43:08,250 --> 03:43:26,880
Gina F. Acosta: Sa tingin ko po wala kasi nabigyan po niya na ako ng fund utilization. Report, Your Honor, na binabangga ko po sa object of expenditures na binigyan niya sa akin. Nagtugma po ang mga amount, Your Honor, at saka yung ano pong expenses ang dapat ma-inquire niya, nandoon po rin, Your Honor.

1248
03:43:26,940 --> 03:43:44,540
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: One last question, Presiding Officer. So, ibig kong sabihin, from the very start po, pagbibigay ng mga alias, walang totoong pangalan, paggasta ng mga class sa mga tree planting. Okay lang yun. Part po yun ng confidential fund. Sa tingin mo.

1249
03:43:46,510 --> 03:43:48,030
Gina F. Acosta: Basta po binigyan po ako.

1250
03:43:48,090 --> 03:44:07,870
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Kaya nga po. Sa tingin mo. Yung from the very start, yung mga merigespiatos, pagungpusa, normal yun. At pagkatapos yung paggasta sa mga tree planting, paggasta sa mga ikanga, pagbili ng mga silya, lamesa, bahagi ng intelligence fund as a disbursing officer.

1251
03:44:11,280 --> 03:44:13,240
Gina F. Acosta: Marami kasi ang tanong mo, Your

1252
03:44:13,240 --> 03:44:14,380
Gina F. Acosta: Honor. Ang tanong po nga po,

1253
03:44:14,480 --> 03:44:25,340
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: tama ba sa tingin mo yung paggasta ni Carla Chica pag bilhin ng mga lamesa upuan, triplanting, confidential fund, ma'am. Napahagi ng confidential yun.

1254
03:44:25,560 --> 03:44:46,260
Gina F. Acosta: Kasi, Your Honor, sa triplanting po, napasok po doon ang confidential fund po during po sa pag-inspect po ng area po kung saan po mag-triplanting ang mga... tao po at ang mga partner organization po. So pag-survey po, yun po papasok po ang confidential operation, Your

1255
03:44:46,260 --> 03:44:54,560
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Honor. Pati po pagbili ng lamesa, may confidential din yun. Kailangan under strict confidence sa pagbili ng lamesa at upuan.

1256
03:44:55,920 --> 03:44:58,800
Gina F. Acosta: Gagamitin po yun sa operation, Your Honor. Okay.

1257
03:44:58,940 --> 03:45:01,180
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: No further questions, Mr. Presiding Officer.

1258
03:45:01,720 --> 03:45:09,300
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo. Senator-Judge Rafi Tulfo, you may proceed, sir. You have 2 minutes.

1259
03:45:18,740 --> 03:45:20,500
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Ma'am, nakapanood to na ka?

1260
03:45:21,480 --> 03:45:22,280
Gina F. Acosta: Gamay lang, sir.

1261
03:45:22,580 --> 03:45:23,820
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Gamay lang. Ano sa panay mong sudan?

1262
03:45:26,420 --> 03:45:27,740
Gina F. Acosta: Wala ko iga na mukhaon.

1263
03:45:27,940 --> 03:45:31,740
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Wala? Okay. Okay. Tanong ko na lang, how would you consider yourself?

1264
03:45:33,280 --> 03:45:34,600
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Smart, average, or stupid?

1265
03:45:38,840 --> 03:45:42,400
Gina F. Acosta: Nasa average lang pa ako mapagkatao, Your Honor. Correct.

1266
03:45:42,560 --> 03:46:09,450
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Just like millions and millions and millions of Filipinos. Good. Normal. Kasi sa isang normal na tao, kapag siya binigyan bilang isang SDO tulad sa inyo ng listahang pangalan ng mga informants na Bilat, Pagong at Pusa, papalag ka. Ano ba to? Colonel, mukhang hindi ata tama to, bastusan na to. Di po ba? Para sa normal na tao. Am I right?

1267
03:46:10,290 --> 03:46:14,950
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-relay po ako sa sinubmit po sa akin ng security officer, Your Honor.

1268
03:46:15,450 --> 03:46:23,300
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Kaya nga po. Bilang isang normal na tao, ulitin ko, pag nakakita kayo ng ganun pangalan, Bilat, Pagong, Pusa, etc.

1269
03:46:25,070 --> 03:46:26,790
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Okay, Belat, same.

1270
03:46:28,350 --> 03:46:29,250
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Magugulat ka, di ba?

1271
03:46:32,430 --> 03:46:41,470
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Magugulat ko. Yung pronunciation yan eh. Sa Tagalog, Belasat, Bisaya, Bilat yun eh. Kasi yung I nagiging I eh. Bisaya din kasi ako eh.

1272
03:46:41,710 --> 03:46:50,550
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With the permission of Senator Judge Tulfo, Chair would like to remind the gallery to kindly maintain silence during these proceedings. You may proceed, Sir.

1273
03:46:50,870 --> 03:47:14,800
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Kasi isa pa po, Madam Witness, meron akong kopya dito na kung saan, maraming pangalan ng mga informant at isa lang pong ipirma. So if you're a normal or average person, papalag ka na naman. Teka muna, Colonel, bakit ganito? Bastusan na tulokuhan to. Yung iba-iba yung mga pangalan pero isa lang po yung perma. Hindi ko ka nagtaka.

1274
03:47:15,720 --> 03:47:31,620
Gina F. Acosta: Pinerify ko po yun si Col. Lachica, Your Honor. At ang sagot naman niya sa akin, Ma'am Gina, those are sensitive information, Ma'am Gina. At saka, confidential in nature po yun.

1275
03:47:33,230 --> 03:47:40,330
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: So naniwala kayo sa sinabi niya na confidential in nature kahit na isa lang signature sa napakaraming pangalan?

1276
03:47:40,960 --> 03:47:41,940
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: So you took his word

1277
03:47:41,940 --> 03:47:42,260
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: for it.

1278
03:47:42,600 --> 03:47:53,120
Gina F. Acosta: Kasi siya po ang nag-implement sa mga confidential activities, Your Honor, on the grounds. Siya po ang inatasan na mag-implement. Siya ang implementor po, Your

1279
03:47:53,120 --> 03:47:57,120
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Honor. So for me, in this case, you are stupid in the name of blind loyalty.

1280
03:48:02,650 --> 03:48:03,530
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Ano po iyon?

1281
03:48:05,040 --> 03:48:18,170
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Naging stupido kayo sa ngala ng isang tinatawag na blind loyalty. Nakapikit kung ano yung sinasabi sa iyo ng nakakataas, sinusunod mo na lang. Stupido ka pa rin, pero... in the name of blind loyalty. Would you agree?

1282
03:48:18,880 --> 03:48:21,460
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko maintindihan, Your Honor. I'm sorry.

1283
03:48:22,240 --> 03:48:32,680
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Okay. Noong kayo po, noong kayo po ay SDO sa Davao, noong mayor si BP Sara noon, hindi kayo nagkaroon ng disallowance, right? Never?

1284
03:48:33,420 --> 03:48:34,480
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, Your Honor.

1285
03:48:34,480 --> 03:48:44,420
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: So anong pinagkaiba na sa Davao at ngayon sa OVP? Bakit nagkaroon kayo ng disallowance ngayon dito sa OVP and DepEd versus noong nasa Davao kayo, wala kayong disallowance? Anong pinagkaiba?

1286
03:48:46,180 --> 03:48:57,920
Gina F. Acosta: Ang maalala ko lang, Your Honor, sa Dabao po, mag-submit po kami ng accomplishment report doon po sa DILG, hindi po sa Office of the President,

1287
03:49:01,100 --> 03:49:03,440
Gina F. Acosta: sa Senate, at saka sa HOR, Your Honor.

1288
03:49:03,700 --> 03:49:11,740
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: So, noong panahon po sa Dabao, meron ba mga pangalan piyatos, meron ba mga pangalan mga belat, pag-uumpusa, etc.?

1289
03:49:12,180 --> 03:49:15,400
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi kong ma-remember, Your Honor. Hindi kong maalala. Hindi

1290
03:49:15,400 --> 03:49:16,260
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: mo na maalaala.

1291
03:49:17,130 --> 03:49:18,690
Gina F. Acosta: And how long? Hindi mo

1292
03:49:18,690 --> 03:49:21,550
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: na maalaala. And yet, six years ka. Naging SDO doon.

1293
03:49:22,320 --> 03:49:28,860
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi kong maalala, Your Honor. Matagal na po yun, Your Honor. At saka, may edad na po rin po ako, Your Honor. Ayaw

1294
03:49:28,860 --> 03:49:31,840
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: lagi pag tinunto, ma'am. Pati kami banal, tinunto mo dito.

1295
03:49:32,280 --> 03:49:32,980
Gina F. Acosta: Mukhang magiging

1296
03:49:32,980 --> 03:49:34,080
Gina F. Acosta: na ako tinood, Your Honor.

1297
03:49:34,460 --> 03:49:37,490
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Okay. Salamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer.

1298
03:49:38,600 --> 03:49:43,500
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Tulfo. The Senate President is recognized for his interjection. Thank you very

1299
03:49:43,500 --> 03:50:05,260
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: much, Mr. Presiding Officer. Ms. Acosta, narinig ko kanina yung mga sagot-hunin nyo. Bilang isang accountable officer, paano nyo masisigurado o paano nyo masisiguro sa taong bayan na yung perang ibinigay nyo kay Col. La Chica ay hindi na bulsa o hindi na korap?

1300
03:50:07,050 --> 03:50:16,930
Gina F. Acosta: Isa po ang problem, Your Honor, is we were able to liquidate. Nakagawa po kami ng liquidation, Your Honor, at naisubmit po yun sa Kuwa, Your Honor. Pero

1301
03:50:16,930 --> 03:50:30,690
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: kanina narinig ko rin wala kayong personal knowledge at hindi nyo rin nakita yung pagbibigay ng pera. E paano nyo malalaman kung pumunta sa bulsa niya yung pera o hindi?

1302
03:50:31,330 --> 03:50:31,890
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Kung

1303
03:50:31,890 --> 03:50:36,170
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: wala kayong personal knowledge, wala kayong directang nandoon?

1304
03:50:37,180 --> 03:50:44,020
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, nagbigay po sa akin ang security officer namin na si Colonel La Chica ng fund utilization report, Your

1305
03:50:44,020 --> 03:50:44,720
Gina F. Acosta: Honor. Paano po yung fund

1306
03:50:44,720 --> 03:50:51,000
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: utilization report ay peke, dinoktor? E wala kayo doon bilang accountable officer.

1307
03:50:51,020 --> 03:50:52,460
Gina F. Acosta: May perma po niya, Your Honor.

1308
03:50:53,020 --> 03:51:10,980
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Kahit na may perma niya, dapat nandoon kayo bilang accountable officer. Ang trabaho ng accountable officer ay maging accountable sa pera. Bakit buo ang tiwala ninyo kay... Colonel La Chica na hindi niya ibubulsa yung pera.

1309
03:51:11,500 --> 03:51:31,740
Gina F. Acosta: Buo po ang tiwala ko kay Colonel La Chica, Your Honor, kasi unang-una, siya po ang gidisignate ni Vice President Sara, Your Honor, na security officer of the Office of the Vice President. Siya din po ang aming commander, commanding officer ng Vice Presidential Security Protection Group, Your Honor. Pero

1310
03:51:31,740 --> 03:51:40,030
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: hindi ibig sabihin na siya ang pwedeng mag-disperse. Siya lang ang humahawak ng security information. Siya

1311
03:51:40,030 --> 03:51:54,030
Gina F. Acosta: din po ang nag-implement, Your Honor, sa mga programa po na under po ng confidential plan kasi siya po ang expert to Your Honor. Doon sa ground po, Your Honor. Siya po ang may alam, Your Honor.

1312
03:51:54,390 --> 03:52:21,200
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Kanina narinig ko rin na sinabi nyo, nagtanong kayo, nag-verify kay Colonel Achica. Hindi nyo ba sinumbong kay o nagsabi kay VP Sara na Baka may problema itong pagbibigay ng pera kay La Chica dahil ang sagot niya lang sa inyo ay confidential information or security. Hindi ba kayo nagsabi kay VP Sara na baka magka problema ako bilang accountable officer?

1313
03:52:21,600 --> 03:52:37,450
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi pa ako nagsabi kay VP Sara, Your Honor, kasi unang-una po siya po ang nagbigay ng office order po. na si Colonel La Chica ay gawin niyang security officer, Your Honor, po, of the vice president office, Your Honor. So

1314
03:52:37,450 --> 03:52:44,250
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: kahit na mayroong problema, tinanggap niyo at bidigay niyo pa rin yung pera kay La Chica at tinanggap niyo

1315
03:52:44,250 --> 03:52:44,990
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: na lang yung sagot niya?

1316
03:52:45,330 --> 03:52:54,070
Gina F. Acosta: Wala naman po ako na-encounter na problema, Your Honor, kasi nakasubmit po kami ng liquidation, Your Honor, doon sa kuwa, Your Honor. Doon sa

1317
03:52:54,070 --> 03:53:00,680
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: apat na quarters? Apat na beses sinabihan kayo ni VP Sara na ibigay kay Col. La Chica yung pera?

1318
03:53:01,380 --> 03:53:03,700
Gina F. Acosta: Once lang po siya nagsabi sa akin, Your Honor.

1319
03:53:04,180 --> 03:53:06,500
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Yung last quarter of 2022?

1320
03:53:06,800 --> 03:53:09,740
Gina F. Acosta: Oo, na pag ma-incast ko ang pera, Your Honor.

1321
03:53:10,140 --> 03:53:13,700
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: In three quarters, sino nagsabi sa inyong ibigay kay Col. La Chica?

1322
03:53:14,660 --> 03:53:42,400
Gina F. Acosta: Once lang po nagsabi sa akin si Vice President Sara, Your Honor, na pag ma-incast ko. Ang cheque po sa confidential funds, Your Honor, i-release ko po kay Colonel La Chica na siya po ang bigyan ni Ma'am Sara Duterte na security officer, Your Honor, sa office para siya po ang mag-implement ng various confidential activities, Your Honor. So

1323
03:53:42,400 --> 03:53:47,320
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: isang beses lang sinabi para sa apat na quarters. Tama? Opo, Your Honor.

1324
03:53:47,420 --> 03:53:47,920
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Sino nag

1325
03:53:47,920 --> 03:53:51,340
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: -uto sa inyo na i-encash? yung 500 million.

1326
03:53:53,130 --> 03:53:55,210
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po yung buo 500 million,

1327
03:53:55,390 --> 03:53:55,890
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor. Hindi

1328
03:53:55,890 --> 03:54:01,930
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: nga. Every quarter. Every quarter. Sino nag-utos sa inyo yung fourth quarter of 2022 na i-encash yung 125?

1329
03:54:04,590 --> 03:54:17,270
Gina F. Acosta: Kasi tumawag po sa akin ang aming cash division, Your Honor, na Ma'am Gina, handa na po ang cheque at pwede na rin po kayo i-encash po sa bangko.

1330
03:54:17,570 --> 03:54:22,780
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: So siya ang nag-utos. Yung, yung, sino yun? Anong pangalan niya?

1331
03:54:23,260 --> 03:54:26,380
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po siya nag-uutos, Your Honor. Nag-inform lang sa akin, Your Honor.

1332
03:54:26,820 --> 03:54:32,760
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: So, sino nag-uutos sa iyo mag-encash ng 125? Na pumunta ka sa land bank, encash mo 125?

1333
03:54:34,410 --> 03:54:39,890
Gina F. Acosta: Kasi, paano po ako makabigay kay Colonel Atchika, Your Honor, kung hindi ko po e-encash ang... Hindi nga.

1334
03:54:39,890 --> 03:54:53,290
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Pwede in-inform kayo may cash. Pero sino nag-uutos sa inyo i-encash? Iba naman yung may cash, iba yung i-encash, di ba? Sino ang nag-uto sa inyo na pumunta sa land bank i-encash yung 125?

1335
03:54:55,930 --> 03:55:02,690
Gina F. Acosta: Si VP po, Your Honor, para makabigay ko po, ma-release ko po ang pera na yun kay security officer, Your Honor. So

1336
03:55:02,690 --> 03:55:03,010
Gina F. Acosta: si VP,

1337
03:55:03,050 --> 03:55:07,030
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Sara, nag-instruct sa inyo na pumunta sa land bank i-encash yung 125?

1338
03:55:08,670 --> 03:55:16,470
Gina F. Acosta: Ang sabi po niya sa akin, Your Honor, pag ma-encash ko ang pera, Your Honor, i-release ko po sa security officer, Your Honor. Siya rin

1339
03:55:16,470 --> 03:55:18,230
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: ba nag-uto sa inyo pumunta sa land bank?

1340
03:55:23,900 --> 03:55:31,280
Gina F. Acosta: Basta, yan po, paano ko po ma-encash, paano ko po maibigay ang pera, Your Honor, kung hindi po ako magpunta sa land bank, Your Honor?

1341
03:55:33,240 --> 03:55:47,040
Gina F. Acosta: Paano ko po ibigay ang cash doon sa security officer, Your Honor, na sinabi ni Ma'am Bipid na pag ma-encash ko, ibigay ko sa kanya, kung hindi po ako magpunta sa bank ko, Your Honor, para ipa-encash ang shaky po?

1342
03:55:47,320 --> 03:55:58,220
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Ang tanong ko is, sino ang nag-utos sa inyo pumunta sa land bank? para mag-encash. Ganon ka simple lang. Sino ang tumawag sa inyo, nagsabi sa inyo, punta ka sa land bank, encash mo yung 125.

1343
03:55:59,380 --> 03:56:11,340
Gina F. Acosta: Ang pagsabi po sa akin, Your Honor, yung sa cash division namin, ganito po, Your Honor, Ma'am Gina, handa na po ang cheque at pwede na din po kayo magpunta sa banko. Na

1344
03:56:11,340 --> 03:56:11,940
Gina F. Acosta: i-encash.

1345
03:56:12,160 --> 03:56:13,380
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. Yung

1346
03:56:13,380 --> 03:56:18,540
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: sa other quarters, first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, sino nag-utos sa inyo mag-encash?

1347
03:56:18,990 --> 03:56:36,870
Gina F. Acosta: Ganun pa din, Your Honor, ang sabi ng cast division namin, Your Honor, na pag naala ang chiki, pag meron na ang chiki, magtawag sila sa ako, Your Honor, Ma'am Gina, pwede na po makuha ang chiki at pwede na po kayo magpunta sa bangko, Your Honor. Thank

1348
03:56:36,870 --> 03:56:38,810
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: you very much, Mr. President. Thank you.

1349
03:56:39,370 --> 03:56:40,030
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Anika, ha?

1350
03:56:42,900 --> 03:56:44,540
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ikaw, pag CSP.

1351
03:56:55,070 --> 03:57:06,010
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator-Judge Villanueva is recognized. Apologies to Senator Intiveros. I was informed that there was an earlier indication by Senator Villanueva to be called for his interjections. You may proceed, sir.

1352
03:57:06,070 --> 03:57:06,670
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You have two minutes.

1353
03:57:06,670 --> 03:57:18,650
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Mr. President, before I ask questions, can I ask, Mr. President, Presiding Officer, if Colonel La Chica would be the next witness na sasalang po. That

1354
03:57:18,650 --> 03:57:32,570
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: is the call of the prosecution and no such manifestation has been made, although I believe, if I recall correctly, the name of Colonel La Chica is listed as one of the intended witnesses to be presented. Do you confirm, Attorney Legutan?

1355
03:57:32,990 --> 03:57:40,840
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Listed, but the prosecution has yet to decide. If and when we present, Colonel LaChica, Your Honor, please.

1356
03:57:40,900 --> 03:57:43,280
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That is their call, Senator-Judge Villanueva.

1357
03:57:43,300 --> 03:57:53,360
Sen. Joel Villanueva: I understand. Thank you. I hope Chef po yung susunod para hindi mas nakaka-confuse. Maganda ho kasing sundan itong witness natin. May I ask now, Mr. Presiding Officer?

1358
03:57:57,280 --> 03:58:09,520
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Ma'am, matagal na po kayong SDO, di ba? Kung kayo ho ay pipili ng SDO, sino ang pipiliin niyo? Yung average na employee, yung tiwala kayo, o yung sobrang tiwala kayo?

1359
03:58:11,530 --> 03:58:12,390
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Ano po yun?

1360
03:58:14,050 --> 03:58:14,930
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Ako? Ako

1361
03:58:14,930 --> 03:58:31,100
Sen. Joel Villanueva: mismo? Opo, opo. Kunyari kayo po yung magpipili ng SDO ninyo. Ang pipiliin nyo po ba? Average employee? O yung tiwala po kayo? O yung sobrang tiwala po kayo? Kasi sa tingin ko, mahalaga ang pagiging isang SDO.

1362
03:58:34,020 --> 03:58:52,170
Gina F. Acosta: Kung ako, Your Honor, sa ako ang self, ang piliin ako, Your Honor. Kato, I will choose, Your Honor. Yung tao na average po ang kanyang knowledge,

1363
03:58:58,870 --> 03:59:06,230
Gina F. Acosta: ang kanyang thinking, ang kanyang pagkatao, Your Honor.

1364
03:59:07,710 --> 03:59:11,930
Sen. Joel Villanueva: So, yung tiwala ka, hindi yung sobrang tiwala ka?

1365
03:59:13,720 --> 03:59:26,390
Gina F. Acosta: Basta... Na siya ay knowledge, Your Honor. Na siya ay kabalo siya, Your Honor, kung kung saan, kung saan, alam niya, Your Honor, kung ano po ang mali. Alam po niya, Your Honor. Hindi importanteng

1366
03:59:26,390 --> 03:59:28,490
Sen. Joel Villanueva: tiwala ka, ma'am. Hindi po importanteng.

1367
03:59:29,990 --> 03:59:30,950
Gina F. Acosta: Partly po, Your Honor.

1368
03:59:34,230 --> 03:59:38,850
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Noong dinesignate po kayo as SDO, ano po yung sinabing trabaho ninyo?

1369
03:59:40,790 --> 03:59:41,150
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Particular.

1370
03:59:44,560 --> 04:00:07,600
Gina F. Acosta: Yung dinesignate po ako na magiging sa OVP po. Ang trabaho ko po is to hold an amount for the confidential funds and disburse. and process also all the necessary documents, Your Honor, in relation for the confidential funds. Yun

1371
04:00:07,600 --> 04:00:08,700
Sen. Joel Villanueva: po yung sinabi sa inyo.

1372
04:00:11,040 --> 04:00:13,140
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Noong tinalaga kayo, yun po yung sinabi.

1373
04:00:14,080 --> 04:00:32,540
Gina F. Acosta: Actually, Your Honor, ang sinabi lang po sa akin ng head of agency is, Ma'am Gina, gawin kitang SDO. And kung nakaka-anot time, Ma'am Gina, Basahon ni mo ang GC 2015-01. So

1374
04:00:32,540 --> 04:00:46,560
Sen. Joel Villanueva: hindi ka magpwede mag-decide how the confidential funds ay gamitin. Yung role mo limited lang to withdrawing, safeguarding, disbursing, and liquidating funds pursuant to instruction and approval by other officials.

1375
04:00:48,190 --> 04:00:52,750
Gina F. Acosta: Doon po ako nakabasa, Your Honor, sa aking pagiging SDO doon po sa GC, Your Honor.

1376
04:00:53,270 --> 04:00:53,910
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Okay.

1377
04:00:55,730 --> 04:01:14,150
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Maaari po ba ninyong ilahad yung buong proseso? bilang SDO. Yung decision to use confidential funds, yung proseso po, approval ng physical financial plan hanggang sa cash advance, hanggang sa withdrawal, hanggang actual disbursement, and liquidation. Pwede yung ilahad ninyo from the start?

1378
04:01:14,410 --> 04:01:16,210
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po ako nag-decision, Your Honor.

1379
04:01:17,460 --> 04:01:22,820
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Yung proseso po, alam nyo naman po yun eh. Pwede po bang sabihin nyo sa amin ilahad yung proseso?

1380
04:01:24,470 --> 04:01:27,470
Gina F. Acosta: Okay, Your Honor. Sorry, mag...

1381
04:01:29,120 --> 04:02:20,690
Gina F. Acosta: Ang aking lingwahe is merong konting halong bisaya. Okay po. Example, Your Honor, yung 2022. Pag nag-request po si BP ng additional funds at kasali na po doon ang confidential funds. So, nagsulat siya. Then, um, abot na sa DBM. Nag-reply ang DBM na Ang unang sulat ni Ma'am BP is 250. Kaya intended po iyon sana sa third and fourth quarter of 2022. So, pagbalik na, nag-reply na ang DBM, Your Honor, na 125 lang ang ihatag. O naabot to ang sulat o ang sarong, Your Honor, naanapod sa bandang third quarter, ah, fourth quarter, Your Honor, of 2022.

1382
04:02:22,250 --> 04:03:03,780
Gina F. Acosta: So... Nero nang pundo, na-download na po. Na-approve na rin yung FPP. PPP, na-approve na rin po, Your Honor. Pag-approve na na, Your Honor, nagawa na po ako ng disbursement voucher. I-attach po dito ang tanal mga attachments, Your Honor. Example po, yung ban ko po, Your Honor, yung designation ko, Your Honor, as SDO, yung resibo po, Your Honor, ng ng Fidelity Van, Your Honor, yung kopya po ng approved na PAP, Your Honor, at saka yung mga signatories po, Your Honor, at saka And

1383
04:03:03,780 --> 04:03:04,240
Gina F. Acosta: then,

1384
04:03:04,280 --> 04:03:16,640
Gina F. Acosta: actual disbursement. Then, gi-process po, Your Honor, lumabas ang cheque, tapos nagpa-incast, and then, gi-disburse ko po sa security officer, Your Honor. And then,

1385
04:03:16,780 --> 04:03:17,840
Sen. Joel Villanueva: huli, liquidation.

1386
04:03:19,220 --> 04:03:35,720
Gina F. Acosta: Naghihintay po ako, Your Honor, sa documento, Your Honor, na nagpapatunay na natapos na po ang confidential operation na nag-implement po sa aming security officer na si Colonel La Chica. So, naggawa na po ng liquidation, Your Honor.

1387
04:03:36,700 --> 04:03:43,440
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Sa bawat stage, ma'am, sino po ang nagdedetermine? Una, yung purpose.

1388
04:03:47,740 --> 04:03:55,310
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Amount. Intended recipient, timing ng disbursement, who gave the final approval?

1389
04:03:56,910 --> 04:03:58,490
Gina F. Acosta: Pwede isa-isa, Your Honor.

1390
04:03:58,890 --> 04:03:59,530
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Oo, sige.

1391
04:03:59,830 --> 04:04:02,050
Gina F. Acosta: Ano ganun sabi mo? Una po,

1392
04:04:02,170 --> 04:04:05,600
Sen. Joel Villanueva: yun sa amount, purpose.

1393
04:04:06,700 --> 04:04:10,720
Gina F. Acosta: Nakabase po yun, Your Honor, sa saru, Your Honor, na...

1394
04:04:11,270 --> 04:04:21,910
Sen. Joel Villanueva: So wala kayong kinalaman? What? Sa pag-decide. I'm repeating my question. Wala kayong kinalaman sa pag-decide nung... Purpose and amount. Tama?

1395
04:04:23,800 --> 04:04:29,180
Gina F. Acosta: Si VP Sara po ang nagsulat, Your Honor. So siya po ang nakabalo. Siya ang may alam, Your Honor.

1396
04:04:29,460 --> 04:04:32,840
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Sa intended recipient. Inuulit ko lang yung tanong ko. Intended recipient.

1397
04:04:34,690 --> 04:04:40,790
Gina F. Acosta: Ang nakabalolaan na, Your Honor, is yung nag-implement, Your Honor, na si security officer. Ibig sabihin wala po kayong

1398
04:04:40,790 --> 04:04:41,110
Sen. Joel Villanueva: alam.

1399
04:04:42,690 --> 04:04:45,110
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po ako alam. Yung timing ng

1400
04:04:45,110 --> 04:04:48,060
Sen. Joel Villanueva: disbursement, wala din po.

1401
04:04:49,860 --> 04:04:54,840
Gina F. Acosta: Timing ng disbursement, the moment na ay disbursed naman ito, Colonel La Chica, Your Honor. Kaya

1402
04:04:54,840 --> 04:04:56,400
Sen. Joel Villanueva: nga, wala ho kayong alam, sabi niyo nga po.

1403
04:04:57,160 --> 04:05:09,520
Gina F. Acosta: Ang sabi po sa akin ni Vice President Sara Duterte na pag ma-encash ko po ang Chica, Your Honor, i-release ko po sa security officer na itinalagaan niya na si Colonel La Chica, Your Honor.

1404
04:05:10,000 --> 04:05:17,320
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Okay, sa alin pong desisyon ang ginawa ninyo using your own judgment? Yung kayo talaga yung nag-decide?

1405
04:05:20,940 --> 04:05:23,720
Gina F. Acosta: Ano? Mahirap. Uulitin ko po

1406
04:05:23,720 --> 04:05:41,340
Sen. Joel Villanueva: yung tanong ko. Ano po iyong kayo mismo ang nagdidesisyon bilang SDO? Kasi parang lahat po nang sinasabi niyo, hindi niyo po alam at hindi po kayo nagdidesisyon. Pwede po bang sabihin niyo sa amin, ano talaga iyong trabaho niyo na kayo talaga ang nagdidesisyon?

1407
04:05:42,160 --> 04:05:52,750
Gina F. Acosta: Ang trabaho ko po, Your Honor, is i-process po ang papilis po in relation po sa... sa pagkuha po ng confidential funds, Your Honor. So

1408
04:05:52,750 --> 04:06:04,770
Sen. Joel Villanueva: ibig sabihin, walang releasing, walang withholding, pagpapalit ng amount, wala po kayong trabahong ganon. Kahit kailan, hindi niyo po ginawa. Nagbago kayo kasi mali itong binakita sa iyo, binago niyo.

1409
04:06:06,180 --> 04:06:09,720
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko marilit ang sinabi mo, Your Honor. I'm sorry. Ulitin

1410
04:06:09,720 --> 04:06:47,860
Sen. Joel Villanueva: ko po ulit, wala po kayong ginagawa na pagbabago base doon sa inyong nakikita o ibinibigay sa inyong papeles. Wala ho kayo kailanman na binabago. Uy, teka lang. Nagkaroon na ng AOM. Magbabago na ako kasi meron ng COA report. Uy, nagkaroon na ng notice of suspension. Ay, magbabago na tayo. Uy, ito ngayon, may notice of disallowance na. Magbabago ako. Wala ho kayong ginawa. So, ang sinasabi niyo po ay parang dumadaan lang po sa inyo at kung ano po yung dumaan sa inyo, inaaprobahan niyo lang po.

1411
04:06:48,210 --> 04:06:55,370
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, ginagawa ko po ang aking tungkulin bilang SDO. Ginagawa ko po ng tapat, Your Honor, o tama, Your Honor.

1412
04:06:56,840 --> 04:07:10,160
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Ang tanong ko po kasi is wala hong kayong binago. Kahit kailan. Wala hong binago. Kailangan baguhin, kailangan palitan, kailangan mas detalyado, kailangan mas transparent. Yun po yung tanong.

1413
04:07:14,000 --> 04:07:20,460
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The same experience perhaps with Atty. Legutan. That's the witnesses' answer. You've asked her three times already. That's

1414
04:07:20,460 --> 04:07:20,720
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: her answer.

1415
04:07:20,840 --> 04:07:35,940
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Yes, Mr. President. Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. It's just that we wanted to understand clearly. Ito po kasi, kaya siguro ganito yung sagot ninyo dahil noong nasa Davao po kayo na SDO, ganito po yung ginagawa nyo at wala naman pong nagiging problema.

1416
04:07:36,790 --> 04:07:41,730
Gina F. Acosta: Basta, Your Honor, ginagawa ko po ang aking gawain bilang SDO, Your Honor. At

1417
04:07:41,730 --> 04:07:45,230
Sen. Joel Villanueva: noong nasa Davao po kayo, wala kayong naging problema as SDO.

1418
04:07:45,800 --> 04:07:48,700
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, wala po kaming AOM, Your Honor. Ngayon po,

1419
04:07:48,780 --> 04:07:50,080
Sen. Joel Villanueva: naniniwala kayo may problema.

1420
04:07:53,280 --> 04:07:54,860
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po kayo dito kung

1421
04:07:54,860 --> 04:08:00,680
Sen. Joel Villanueva: wala hong problema na pinag-uusapan ngayon, na kailangan klaruhin.

1422
04:08:01,550 --> 04:08:05,890
Gina F. Acosta: Basta, Your Honor, ginagawa ko po ang aking trabaho bilang SDO, Your Honor.

1423
04:08:06,190 --> 04:08:12,390
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Yes, yung trabaho niyo po bilang SDO, binabanggit niyo po kanina, tinignan niyo yung fund utilization, tugma lang.

1424
04:08:17,020 --> 04:08:28,580
Gina F. Acosta: Tugma po, Your Honor, at saka galing po iyon kay Colonel Latika na siya po ang nag-implement doon sa ground po, Your Honor. Siya po ang implementor, Your Honor. At tugma lang?

1425
04:08:30,180 --> 04:08:32,600
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Basta tugma lang yung amount, okay na ho?

1426
04:08:34,600 --> 04:08:42,080
Gina F. Acosta: Tinanong ko po siya, Your Honor, regarding po sa yung mga ERs na... Merong mga walang name, walang ano.

1427
04:08:42,480 --> 04:08:57,380
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Last question po. Doon po ba sa sinasabing yung safe box, meron po doon mga additional documents na kung saan yung mga totoong mga pangalan, maaaring yung mga alias na ginamit, nandun na yung totoong pangalan, nandun po sa safe box. May

1428
04:08:57,380 --> 04:09:02,620
Gina F. Acosta: mga additional documents. Isa lang po ang documents, Your Honor, yung ano lang po, yung acknowledgement.

1429
04:09:06,860 --> 04:09:16,460
Gina F. Acosta: acknowledgement receipt, Your Honor, na ngayon po ay sinasubmit na po sa Kuway, Your Honor, as isa po yun sa mga requirements, Your Honor, na isubmit po sa Kuway, Your Honor. Uulitin

1430
04:09:16,460 --> 04:09:18,440
Gina F. Acosta: ko po, wala na po sa safe box. Wala na.

1431
04:09:18,760 --> 04:09:19,880
Gina F. Acosta: Wala na po, Your Honor.

1432
04:09:19,960 --> 04:09:24,100
Sen. Joel Villanueva: Salamat po, Mr. President. Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Thank you, Madam Witness.

1433
04:09:24,360 --> 04:09:28,920
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Villanueva. Senator-Judge Antiveros, you may proceed when you're ready, ma'am. You have two minutes.

1434
04:09:35,960 --> 04:09:37,380
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Salamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer.

1435
04:09:39,970 --> 04:10:06,650
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Ms. Gina. Alam niyo po ba kung lahat ng mga detalye doon sa acknowledgement receipts ay totoo? Yung petsya, kung kailangan binayaran ng isang produkto o serbisyo, kung saan po binili o binayaran ito, kung ano yung item na yon, at saka yung halaga. Alam niyo ba kung totoo lahat ng mga yon sa mga ARs?

1436
04:10:07,130 --> 04:10:22,320
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-rely po ako sa security officer, ma'am, na si Colonel La Chica, ma'am, kasi siya po ang nag-implement, ma'am, ng mga activities in relation po sa confidential operation, ma'am.

1437
04:10:23,140 --> 04:10:46,760
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Kaya ako rin po tinatanong itong mga ARs kasi noon, may finlash po na AR na may pangalang Clarice Ontiveros, ka-apelido ko po. Ang nakakagulat po, Ms. Gina, yung petsya kung kailan daw binayaran ang Clarice Ontiveros ay February 24, 2023. Petsya po ng birthday ko.

1438
04:10:50,560 --> 04:10:52,160
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Napakalaking coincidence po.

1439
04:10:54,810 --> 04:11:00,740
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: May reaction o comment po ba kayo sa ganung pambihirang detalye ng petsya?

1440
04:11:02,170 --> 04:11:07,950
Gina F. Acosta: Sinanong ko na, yung mga ganyan po na ERs, ma'am, binivirify at...

1441
04:11:32,330 --> 04:11:33,730
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So,

1442
04:11:33,730 --> 04:11:54,990
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: tinanong at binerify niyo ito. na yung pet siya nung AR kay Clarice Ontiveros ay birthday ko. Napansin niyo rin pala po na, wow, parehong birthday dun sa isang Ontiveros. Hindi ko po alam na birthday po mo yun, ma'am. Sabi niyo kasi tinanong niyo at vinerify niyo kay Colonel Atchita. Tinanong po lang

1443
04:11:54,990 --> 04:12:07,650
Gina F. Acosta: po yung, kasi may iba pong ARs doon, ma'am, na wala pong perma, mayroon pong name. Ang iba po, walang date. Ang iba po, hindi po, mabasa masyado ang pangalan, ma'am.

1444
04:12:08,490 --> 04:12:30,730
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Pero itong isang petsa, basang-basa. Anyway, ang pinaka-importante kong pangutana sa inyo, Ms. Gina, no? May nagsasabi na dahil kayo ang SDO, kayo ang pay ng cash advance, kayo lang dapat ang accountable sa confidential funds na ito. Tinatanggap niyo po ba iyon?

1445
04:12:33,050 --> 04:12:37,090
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, kay bilang SDO po, ako po ang accountable officer, ma'am.

1446
04:12:37,730 --> 04:12:53,650
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So, kung wala pong alam si Colonel La Chica, kung wala pong alam si VP, Sara Duterte, sa paggamit nito, kung hindi ma-explain kung saan napunta ang pera, kayo lang ang mananagot? Tama po ba yun?

1447
04:12:56,110 --> 04:13:12,310
Gina F. Acosta: Meron naman pong itinalaga si Vice President, ma'am, na si... Colonel La Chica na magiging security officer po ma'am na siya po ang mag-implement ma'am kasi wala po akong eksperto ma'am kung paano po i-implement ang mga confidential activities po on the ground ma'am.

1448
04:13:12,350 --> 04:13:23,250
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Ms. Gina, wala naman pong implementing officer sa memo circular, wala pong implementing officer sa ibang mga dokumento. Ang importanteng

1449
04:13:25,220 --> 04:13:39,940
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Job doon na kayo ang nagpupuno ay accountable officer. So okay lang po ba yun na kung may mapatunayang ibang nagkasala, kayo ang mapaparusahan para doon?

1450
04:13:43,440 --> 04:13:48,640
Gina F. Acosta: May mga mali po doon. Sa akin po ang responsibilidad na accountable po.

1451
04:13:49,260 --> 04:14:20,710
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Opo, kapag may mali doon, kanina sinabi niyo si VP Sara ang nagdesisyon na i-withdraw ang in cash ang total over four quarters ng 500 million pesos. Kanina sinabi niyo na si VP Sara ang nagdesisyon kanino ito ibibigay si Colonel La Chica kung mapatunayan na mali. Yung mga ginawang iyon ni VP Sara, okay lang ba sa inyo na kayo ang mapaparusahan sa disisyon ng iba?

1452
04:14:22,300 --> 04:14:24,640
Gina F. Acosta: Kasi ako po ang Accountable Officer, ma'am.

1453
04:14:25,080 --> 04:14:29,340
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: So okay lang po sa inyo? Kayo po ang sasalo ng sisi ng iba?

1454
04:14:31,020 --> 04:14:32,520
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kindly wind up, Senator Jeffries.

1455
04:14:32,520 --> 04:14:34,140
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Winding up, Mr. Presiding Officer.

1456
04:14:35,970 --> 04:14:59,300
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Tama fair po ba yun? May ibang nag-desisyon, may ibang nagpagawa. Kaya lang kayo yung nakalagay dun sa blanco na accountable officer kahit hindi kayo ang nagdesisyon sa pag-encash. Hindi kayo ang nagdesisyon sa ibibigay kay Col. La Chica. Fair ba yun? Kayo po ang mapaparusahan.

1457
04:15:00,210 --> 04:15:05,110
Gina F. Acosta: Alam ko po ma'am na alam po ni Ma'am Vice President Sara Duterte ang ginagawa niya.

1458
04:15:06,190 --> 04:15:18,900
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Ay ho po, alam niya ang ginagawa niya. and I hope po maging fair ang kinalabasan nitong lahat ng proseso sa inyo. Salamat kaayo, Ms. Gina. Maraming salamat po, Mr. Presiding Officer.

1459
04:15:19,240 --> 04:15:24,340
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Antiveros. Senator-Judge Lacson, you may proceed, sir. You have two minutes when you're ready.

1460
04:15:25,020 --> 04:15:28,120
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Mag-good afternoon, Ms. Gina.

1461
04:15:28,660 --> 04:15:31,720
Gina F. Acosta: Good afternoon po, sir, Your Honor.

1462
04:15:32,600 --> 04:15:43,910
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Question number one, between you and SDSTO, no? and Colonel La Chica as the security officer. Sa ilalim ng batas ng Republika, sino may fiduciary responsibility?

1463
04:15:45,560 --> 04:15:49,920
Gina F. Acosta: Sir, pwede po, Your Honor, pwede po matanong ano po yung fiduciary...

1464
04:15:49,920 --> 04:15:55,630
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Ah, yun yung may responsibilidad pag in-entrust ka ng pera, ikaw yung may responsibilidad.

1465
04:15:56,150 --> 04:15:56,670
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: So,

1466
04:15:56,670 --> 04:16:02,370
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: between you and Colonel La Chica, sino yung may responsibilidad sa pag-entrust ng pera?

1467
04:16:03,730 --> 04:16:04,270
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Public

1468
04:16:04,270 --> 04:16:05,350
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: funds, ikaw. Thank

1469
04:16:05,350 --> 04:16:05,490
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: you.

1470
04:16:05,590 --> 04:16:05,950
Gina F. Acosta: Ako po, Your Honor.

1471
04:16:06,270 --> 04:16:15,930
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: So, each of the four times, nag-withdraw ka ng 125 million pesos. Diretso mo bang nire-release ka agad kay Colonel La Chica?

1472
04:16:16,530 --> 04:16:17,090
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi

1473
04:16:17,090 --> 04:16:20,410
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: mo na dinadaan ito sa inyong vault? May vault ka sa office, di ba?

1474
04:16:20,750 --> 04:16:21,730
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

1475
04:16:22,250 --> 04:16:26,790
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Yung buong 125 million, hindi na ito dumadaan sa vault mo sa office?

1476
04:16:28,170 --> 04:16:31,790
Gina F. Acosta: Are you repairing po kung anong... Ano pong? Hindi.

1477
04:16:32,290 --> 04:16:40,810
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Kapag kasi yung vault, kaya ka kailangang may vault bilang SDO, paglalagyan mo yun ng cash para safe, para secure.

1478
04:16:41,250 --> 04:16:41,810
Gina F. Acosta: Opo.

1479
04:16:41,830 --> 04:16:45,170
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Paglalagyan mo rin yun ng mga classified documents para safe, para secure.

1480
04:16:45,510 --> 04:16:46,050
Gina F. Acosta: Opo.

1481
04:16:46,270 --> 04:16:53,430
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: So, pag gagaling mo sa bangko, dinadaan mo muna sa vault o diretsyong binibigay mo na kay Colonel Atchika?

1482
04:16:54,110 --> 04:17:02,170
Gina F. Acosta: Pag na-encash na po ang Chica, Your Honor, habang papauwi po ako, Tinawagan ko po si Colonel La Chica. Hindi,

1483
04:17:02,290 --> 04:17:06,130
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: pakisagot lang, dumadaan ba sa vault ng office mo o diretsyo kay Colonel?

1484
04:17:06,730 --> 04:17:14,030
Gina F. Acosta: Yung first po na withdrawal, Your Honor, for 2022 po, hindi na po naipasok sa vault, Your Honor.

1485
04:17:14,270 --> 04:17:15,870
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Yung pangalawa, pangatlo, pangapat?

1486
04:17:16,930 --> 04:17:18,810
Gina F. Acosta: Half-half po, Your Honor.

1487
04:17:21,080 --> 04:17:21,980
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Paano yung half-half?

1488
04:17:23,940 --> 04:17:24,900
Gina F. Acosta: Yung 2023

1489
04:17:24,900 --> 04:17:27,880
Gina F. Acosta: po,

1490
04:17:28,600 --> 04:17:30,060
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor,

1491
04:17:33,580 --> 04:17:46,140
Gina F. Acosta: ganun pa rin ang ginagawa ko, Your Honor. I-inform ang vice-presidente na na-encash po na ang cheque. And then, I also called up security officer, Colonel La Chica, na na-encash po na ang cheque.

1492
04:17:50,160 --> 04:18:07,860
Gina F. Acosta: Agad po, magpunta po, magsagot po sa akin si Colonel La Chica na, yes, Ma'am Gina, pupunta ako. Pero beforehand pa po, Your Honor, nagbigay po ng advance ng copy si Colonel La Chica sa mga expenses na to be incurred na tinatanggol po, Your Honor, yung object of expenditure.

1493
04:18:08,120 --> 04:18:19,360
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Pag muna haluan ng iba, Miss Gina, ang tanong ko lang, yung mismong cash, each of the four times na nag-withdraw ka, diretso yung 125 billion kay Colonel La Chica o meron ka pinasok sa vault?

1494
04:18:20,950 --> 04:18:22,770
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Lahat. Each of the four times.

1495
04:18:23,170 --> 04:18:55,740
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi, lahat. Yung last quarter of 2022, Your Honor, lahat po ng 125 million, nirelease ko po kay Colonel La Chica. Pero yung first quarter po ng 2022, Your Honor, ang hinihingi lang po, ang nirelease ko lang po kay Colonel La Chica based sa kanyang object of expenditures is mga around 80... 80 million lang po, Your Honor. Di ko kabisadyo po, Your Honor, kung ang exact amount, Your Honor. Basta mga 80 million plus or more, Your Honor. Okay. Yung

1496
04:18:55,740 --> 04:18:56,400
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: sumunod na quarter.

1497
04:18:56,780 --> 04:19:00,780
Gina F. Acosta: Then, after that, Your Honor, magsabing siya sa akin ng fund utilization report, Your Honor.

1498
04:19:00,820 --> 04:19:01,260
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: After withdrawal.

1499
04:19:02,840 --> 04:19:23,710
Gina F. Acosta: After withdrawal. Yung second quarter, Your Honor, ng 2023, three times ko na po na-release kay Coroner La Chica. And same also with the Third quarter of 2023, three times ko po na-release. Three tranches. O, three times. O, three tranches. So,

1500
04:19:23,810 --> 04:19:25,110
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: okay. Lipat na tayo

1501
04:19:25,110 --> 04:19:47,850
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: ng topic. Kasi sa pagkaalam ko, and assume, alam mo rin ito, no? Kapag purchase ng supplies, maski paggamitin sa confidential activities, kailangan may official receipts, may sales invoices. Di ba? Napirmado ng totoong tao, ha? Hindi alias. Pag-supplies. Hindi yung purchase of information.

1502
04:19:49,630 --> 04:20:12,700
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Nag-purchase ka ng table, sabi nga ni Senator Erwin. Nag-purchase ka ng silya. Nag-purchase ng medicines. Ito hindi po pwede yung classified, maski classified ang paggagamitan, kailangan pa rin merong sales invoice, merong receipts, ano, official receipts. Napirmado ng totoong tao.

1503
04:20:15,110 --> 04:20:16,010
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Do you agree?

1504
04:20:17,030 --> 04:20:23,280
Gina F. Acosta: Sana. Sa nabasa ko po sa GC, Your Honor, hindi naman po nakalagay doon na...

1505
04:20:23,280 --> 04:20:23,640
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: I'm telling you,

1506
04:20:23,700 --> 04:20:26,120
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: that is supposed to be the practice.

1507
04:20:28,810 --> 04:20:31,770
Gina F. Acosta: Kung regular po na transaction, Your Honor... No, supplies.

1508
04:20:32,310 --> 04:20:32,830
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Regular

1509
04:20:32,830 --> 04:20:36,670
Gina F. Acosta: po ang pag-transact, Your Honor, hindi po in relation sa confidential funds.

1510
04:20:36,950 --> 04:20:46,030
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Supplies. Maski gamitin pa sa confidential activities, pag supplies, kailan may sales invoice, kailan mayroong official receipt, napirmado ng totoong tao.

1511
04:20:47,930 --> 04:20:48,790
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Do you agree?

1512
04:20:50,030 --> 04:21:05,090
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ako ma... Ang sagot po, Your Honor, is yung nabasa ko sa GC, Your Honor, hindi naman po nirequire doon ang pangalan or ang invoice, Your Honor, sa GC, Your Honor.

1513
04:21:07,010 --> 04:21:07,530
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Yung

1514
04:21:07,530 --> 04:21:09,830
Gina F. Acosta: understanding ko sa GC po, Your Honor.

1515
04:21:09,830 --> 04:21:10,090
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: I won't

1516
04:21:10,090 --> 04:21:21,710
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: argue with you. Yung physical sa financial plan, ikaw ang project accountable officer. Ministerial ba yung pag-prepare mo at pag-pirma mo sa PFP?

1517
04:21:22,820 --> 04:21:30,810
Gina F. Acosta: Ano po, Your Honor, ginagawa ko po, Your Honor, with the inputs and guidelines po ng security officer, Your Honor.

1518
04:21:31,690 --> 04:21:33,310
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Wala kang oversight.

1519
04:21:34,140 --> 04:21:39,170
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Kung anong sabihin ni Colonel Chica, prepare, pirma, approve ng

1520
04:21:39,170 --> 04:21:46,610
Gina F. Acosta: SDO. Gidiscuss po namin, Your Honor, based po sa program po ng Office of the Vice President, Your Honor.

1521
04:21:47,990 --> 04:21:50,830
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Mahubos yung oras ko. Ulit yung tanong ko, no?

1522
04:21:53,450 --> 04:22:15,220
Sen. Panfilo “Ping” M. Lacson: Kasi kung ministerial, Sabi ko nga kanina, opening na tanong ko, meron kang, ikaw ang merong fiduciary responsibility. Kung ministerial ka lang, hindi mo ginagawa yung trabaho mo, delikado ka. Pero kung hindi, sabi mo kasi na, rinig ko yung sagot mo kay Atty. Ligutan, pag satisfied po ako, pipirma ako. So hindi ministerial, di ba?

1523
04:22:16,770 --> 04:22:19,270
Gina F. Acosta: Gidiscuss po namin yung Your Honor, yung PAP, Your Honor.

1524
04:22:19,390 --> 04:22:20,010
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po na ako napirma.

1525
04:22:27,710 --> 04:22:35,130
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator-Judge Sotto is recognized for his interjections. You may proceed, sir. You have two minutes.

1526
04:22:39,130 --> 04:22:42,910
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer, Mr. President. Thank you. Madam Witness,

1527
04:22:44,530 --> 04:22:55,850
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: being the special disbursing officer, you are the only official allowed to disburs the funds. Tama po ba?

1528
04:22:57,580 --> 04:23:01,980
Gina F. Acosta: Based sa GC po, Your Honor, ako po ang person mag-disburs, Your Honor.

1529
04:23:02,400 --> 04:23:09,280
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: Correct. Now, can you delegate these powers to others?

1530
04:23:11,920 --> 04:23:16,800
Gina F. Acosta: Gidisberse ko po ang confidential pan, Your Honor, sa aming security officer, Your Honor.

1531
04:23:17,000 --> 04:23:22,620
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: Hindi, pagiging disbursement officer mo, are you allowed to delegate to others?

1532
04:23:24,210 --> 04:23:31,550
Gina F. Acosta: Basta, Your Honor, ang aking pagdisberse, gidisberse ko po sa security officer, Your Honor. Yan po ang trabaho ko, Your Honor,

1533
04:23:31,670 --> 04:23:43,100
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: gidisberse. Therefore, the answer is no. You cannot delegate your power to others, no? Iba yun, nire-release mo eh, yung sabi mo eh, di ba? Alright, now, my question is this.

1534
04:23:46,090 --> 04:23:52,710
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: Hindi ka pwedeng mag-delegate sa mga regional officers? Wala kayong regional officers sa OVP?

1535
04:23:53,910 --> 04:23:56,070
Gina F. Acosta: Wala kaming regional po, Your Honor.

1536
04:23:57,620 --> 04:24:05,310
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: Kasi, in your utilization report submitted to Senate President Mig Subiri,

1537
04:24:06,860 --> 04:24:25,330
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: You had 132 areas nationwide, your activities within 11 days and even over the holidays. So, kanino niyo din-delegate itong 132 areas na nag-distribute kayo? Kung hindi ka pwede mag-delegate ng power, ikaw lang mag-isa.

1538
04:24:26,510 --> 04:24:44,190
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, maiti nalaga po ang vice-presidente na security officer, Your Honor, na siya po ang mag-i-implement, siya po ang mag-conduct ng confidential, siya po ang mag-implement sa mga confidential operations, Your Honor, on the ground. Kasi siya po ang expert to, Your Honor.

1539
04:24:44,690 --> 04:24:51,590
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: So kaya niya yun, expertise niya, 132 areas. In 11 days, siya lang mag-isa, si Colonel La Chica.

1540
04:24:52,650 --> 04:25:06,370
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko yan masabi, Your Honor. Kasi ang alam ko lang, si Colonel La Chica po ay siya po ang itinalaga na security officer, Your Honor, ng Office of the Vice President. Ay siya po ang aming commanding chief, Your Honor, for the BPSBG, Your Honor.

1541
04:25:07,860 --> 04:25:13,100
Sen. Vicente C. Sotto III: Ay, parang, ayoko na marinig yung template, Mr. President. Thank you.

1542
04:25:17,450 --> 04:25:20,730
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator-Judge Marcos is recognized.

1543
04:25:25,050 --> 04:25:27,870
Sen. Imee Marcos: Magandang hapon po. Maraming salamat, Presiding Judge.

1544
04:25:29,750 --> 04:25:42,610
Sen. Imee Marcos: Maikli lang yung mga tanong ko. Huwag kayong mag-alala. So mula nung kinuha ninyo yung pera sa bangko at tinurn over ka Colonel Atchika, may pagkakataon ba na hinawakan yung pera ni VP Sara?

1545
04:25:42,610 --> 04:25:44,110
Gina F. Acosta: Wala ma'am.

1546
04:25:44,110 --> 04:25:52,910
Sen. Imee Marcos: At masasabi mo ba kung nakakita man lang kahit isang sentimo nung pera ni VP?

1547
04:25:52,910 --> 04:25:55,560
Gina F. Acosta: Wala ma'am.

1548
04:25:55,560 --> 04:26:04,740
Sen. Imee Marcos: Pwede mo bang sabihin o alam kung kinuha, inangkin, inagaw ni VP kahit isang sentimo nitong confidential funds na to?

1549
04:26:04,740 --> 04:26:06,480
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko nakita, Ma'am.

1550
04:26:06,480 --> 04:26:07,680
Sen. Imee Marcos: Ay, ganun pala

1551
04:26:07,680 --> 04:26:28,790
Sen. Imee Marcos: eh. Pero ang alam ko, kanina sinabi mo, yung liquidation and supporting documents, ito ang responsibilidad ninyo na iprepara yung mga dokumento para sa COA at sa mga opisyal. Tama po ba? Yung mga documents, di ba yun ang trabaho mo bilang SDO?

1552
04:26:28,790 --> 04:26:31,130
Gina F. Acosta: Kasali po yun, ma'am.

1553
04:26:31,130 --> 04:26:43,390
Sen. Imee Marcos: Anong naghahanda ka nitong mga papeles na to? Kasabi mo ba si VP para tignan yung mga daan-daan, libo-libong mga dokumento tungkol sa confidential funds? Nandun ba siya?

1554
04:26:43,950 --> 04:26:50,040
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po siya, ma'am. Nagbibilis lang po ako, ma'am, kung paano yun gagawin po doon sa GC, ma'am. Tinitignan

1555
04:26:50,040 --> 04:26:59,300
Sen. Imee Marcos: ba niya yung bawat isa ng mga acknowledgement receipt, yung iba't iba pang papel for personal authentication? Tinitignan ba niya yan?

1556
04:27:00,990 --> 04:27:07,630
Gina F. Acosta: Basta, ma'am, yung mga acknowledgement receipt, ma'am, galing po yun kay security officer, ma'am, at binigay po niya sa akin, ma'am.

1557
04:27:07,970 --> 04:27:15,930
Sen. Imee Marcos: At siya bang nagbigay sa'yo? Inabot ba niya yung mga resibong yan? na tinatanong ngayon ng prosecution.

1558
04:27:16,610 --> 04:27:17,110
Gina F. Acosta: Inabot

1559
04:27:17,110 --> 04:27:23,170
Gina F. Acosta: po sa akin, ma'am, na naka-envelope po ng brown envelope ni security officer, ma'am, na si Colonel La Chica, ma'am.

1560
04:27:23,170 --> 04:27:32,910
Sen. Imee Marcos: Si Colonel La Chica at hindi si VP Sara ang nagbigay sa inyo ng mga papeles. Siya ba ang kumuha ng mga signature noong mga nakapirma sa

1561
04:27:32,910 --> 04:27:43,940
Gina F. Acosta: resibo? Si Colonel La Chica po ang security officer, ma'am, at siya po ang nag-implement, ma'am, ng mga various... Confidential activities po, ma'am, on the ground. May

1562
04:27:43,940 --> 04:28:07,910
Sen. Imee Marcos: nakita ba kayo na may kaduda-duda, alanganin, kakaiba sa mga dokumento? Sabi ninyo, wala naman suspicious, irregular, or questionable, di ba? Kanina. Tama po ba yun? Doon sa mga dokumento, wala ka naman nakikita na findings na may suspicious, irregular, or questionable, di ba?

1563
04:28:08,690 --> 04:28:18,650
Gina F. Acosta: May ano po lang yun, ma'am, yung mga walang name, walang perma, walang date, at biniverify ko po yun kay security officer po, ma'am, na si Colonel La Chica.

1564
04:28:19,700 --> 04:28:37,120
Sen. Imee Marcos: So, binununi nyo to at tinama? Ayun ba? At masasabi ba ninyo na alam ni VP Sara na may depekto? Alam ba niya na may kakulangan, may pagkamali sa mga supporting documents o hindi?

1565
04:28:37,690 --> 04:28:38,830
Gina F. Acosta: Wala akong alam, ma'am.

1566
04:28:39,430 --> 04:28:46,370
Sen. Imee Marcos: Last question na lang po. Kumusta yung asawa ninyo na binisita ninyo? Alam ko, undergoing treatment sa Davao.

1567
04:28:47,630 --> 04:28:50,730
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po maganda, ma'am. I'm sorry.

1568
04:28:51,880 --> 04:28:52,900
Sen. Imee Marcos: I'm sorry also.

1569
04:28:53,480 --> 04:28:55,480
Gina F. Acosta: Pinagpadasal namin siya. I'm sorry.

1570
04:28:57,710 --> 04:29:01,090
Sen. Imee Marcos: Thank you po. That will be all. I'm presiding judge.

1571
04:29:02,410 --> 04:29:13,180
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Marcos. Inam kayo ng konting tubig, ma'am Gina. Next to interject, make his interjections rather would be Senator Judge Aquino. You have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready. And

1572
04:29:13,180 --> 04:29:16,000
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: when the witness is ready as well. Let's give the witness some time.

1573
04:29:19,970 --> 04:29:21,870
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Are you okay, ma'am Gina? Can you continue?

1574
04:29:24,100 --> 04:29:24,940
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sandali lang, sir.

1575
04:29:25,360 --> 04:29:26,660
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Inuman niyo po ng tubig, ma'am.

1576
04:29:42,170 --> 04:29:46,290
Gina F. Acosta: I'm sorry. I'm sorry to each one of you. I'm sorry po.

1577
04:29:46,820 --> 04:29:49,620
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: It's okay, ma'am. Are you okay, ma'am? Can you continue?

1578
04:29:50,550 --> 04:29:51,790
Gina F. Acosta: Okay po. Okay po.

1579
04:29:52,870 --> 04:29:54,530
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay, marami salamat. Senator Judge

1580
04:29:54,530 --> 04:29:54,830
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Aquino.

1581
04:29:55,410 --> 04:29:57,110
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Maraming salamat, Mr. Presiding Officer.

1582
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:14,180
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Ines, kailan niyo po unang nakita yung mga kakaibang pangalan? Yung Piatos, Belat, Pagong, Pusa, at iba pa. When was the first time niyo yan nakita?

1583
04:30:15,140 --> 04:30:42,000
Gina F. Acosta: Yung pong nag-ano na po ako sir, yung pong na-receive ko po yun galing kay Security Officer La Chica po, Your Honor. Kasi binabangga ko po yun kung tama po ba. mag-queenside po ba at mag-tally po ba ang hinihingi niya sa akin before na nakasulat po sa object of expenditures, mag-tally po ba sa binigay niya sa akin na fund utilization report at saka yung mga ERs, Your Honor. So

1584
04:30:42,000 --> 04:30:46,660
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: bago pa po ito nilabas sa Kongreso, you're aware already of these names?

1585
04:30:49,820 --> 04:30:50,380
Gina F. Acosta: So

1586
04:30:50,380 --> 04:30:59,390
Gina F. Acosta: maalala ko, Your Honor, Di ko kayo ma-remember, Your Honor, kasi sa dami-dami pong mga ERs na umabot po ng almost 800, Your Honor.

1587
04:31:00,170 --> 04:31:00,650
Gina F. Acosta: Di

1588
04:31:00,650 --> 04:31:19,880
Gina F. Acosta: ko na maalala, Your Honor, kung anong particular name po, Your Honor, kasi po doon po ako nag-concentrate, Your Honor, nagtatali sa amount po at sa anong klase pong expenses na dapat po na... kung anong expenses mo, dapat within the guidelines mo sa GC ang mga expenses na na-encore, Your Honor. So,

1589
04:31:19,900 --> 04:31:26,380
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: paklaruhin ko po, nung una pong binigay sa inyo, wala ko kayong napansin kakaibang pangalan. Napansin nyo na lang nung lumabas na ito sa balita.

1590
04:31:27,760 --> 04:31:46,760
Gina F. Acosta: May napansin po ako, pero hindi ko po binigyan ng lalong concentration, Your Honor, kasi... Doon po ako nag-concentrate sa expenses po at saka sa amount po na dapat po magtali sa kinuha niya na sa nililist ko po na pera sa kanya, Your Honor.

1591
04:31:47,120 --> 04:31:59,780
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay. So, numabas na po sa balita, sa kongreso, itong mga kakaibang pangalan. Doon niyo po ba naisip, nako, baka hindi totoong tao itong mga to, baka mga peking pangalan to? Naisip niyo po yun, ma'am?

1592
04:32:00,940 --> 04:32:19,220
Gina F. Acosta: Ano na po, Your Honor, na kasi yung... Yung nag-verify po ako kay Col. La Chica, Your Honor, ang sabi po niya sa akin na, Ma'am Gina, those are sensitive information po at saka confidential in nature po.

1593
04:32:19,520 --> 04:32:34,060
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Yung vinerify niyo po, kabuuan? Col. La Chica, okay ba itong lahat? Or inisa-isa ninyo, may mga pangalan na kakaiba, may mga datos na mali-mali? Paano po yung pag-verify po ninyo? As a whole or in specific ways?

1594
04:32:34,830 --> 04:32:39,890
Gina F. Acosta: Yung mga nadaanan ko lang po ng mga acknowledgement receipt, Your Honor.

1595
04:32:40,390 --> 04:32:42,530
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: May binerify po kayong pangalan na kakaiba?

1596
04:32:44,270 --> 04:32:54,810
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko maalala, Your Honor, kasi more on po ako sa expenses po at saka yung sa amount po, Your Honor. So ibig

1597
04:32:54,810 --> 04:33:08,510
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: sabihin po, nung panahong binigay po yan sa inyo the first time, hindi niyo talaga pinansin yung mga pangalan. So para po sa inyo, nung first time po yan nakarating sa inyo, tingin niyo po ba? Totoong tao yung mga pangalan o ang tingin niyo po ay alias po sila?

1598
04:33:10,430 --> 04:33:35,880
Gina F. Acosta: Sa tingin ko po, Your Honor, naniwala po ako kay Colonel La Chica, Your Honor, kung ano po ang binigay ng mga forms o mga reports na galing sa kanya, Your Honor. Natiwala po ako na... Totoo po yun, Your Honor, at okay po yun, Your Honor, kasi siya po ang tinalagaan ni Vice President. May tiwala po din si Vice President Sara sa kanya, Your Honor. Madam Witness,

1599
04:33:36,060 --> 04:33:44,920
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: I just want to be clear. Gusto ko lang malinaw na malinaw. Sa tingin niyo po, totoong tao yung mga pangalang yun? O sa tingin niyo po, mga alias po sila ng mga totoong tao?

1600
04:33:46,550 --> 04:33:55,050
Gina F. Acosta: Sa tingin ko po, the moment na sinabi po ni Colonel La Chica na confidential in nature po, sa tingin ko po, mga alias po yun, Your Honor.

1601
04:33:55,270 --> 04:34:03,330
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay, so ngayon sinasabi mo na... From the first time, tingin mo alias na sila. Di niyo po tinanong kung nasaan yung listahan ng mga totoong pangalan?

1602
04:34:04,260 --> 04:34:15,100
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi na po ako nagtanong, Your Honor, kasi confidential in nature po yun, Your Honor, at saka mga sensitive information po, Your Honor, sabi po ni Security Officer Lachica, Your Honor.

1603
04:34:15,120 --> 04:34:21,400
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, pero pagdating naman po ni Colonel Lachica, tatanungin rin namin siya kung nasaan yung listahan ng mga pangalan yun.

1604
04:34:21,400 --> 04:34:45,720
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: So ito po, lumabas po ito more than one year na, no? More than one year na po pinag-uusapan yung mga pangalang ito. And more than one year na rin po inuusig ang OVP, ang DepEd. From that time until now, hindi ho kayo yung nag-internal investigation. Kung totoo ba yung mga pangalan, nasaan yung totoong listahan, yung totoong names, na mga alias, nagkaroon ho ba kayo ng internal investigation?

1605
04:34:47,110 --> 04:34:49,930
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po ako. Wala ako niyan, Your Honor.

1606
04:34:50,230 --> 04:35:17,040
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Hindi ho kayo nagdaka kasi kayo po yung accountable. Inamin niyo po kanina kay Senator... Ontiveros na kayo po yung accountable sa lahat ng ito. Hindi ho ba to your benefit na malaman ninyo kung ano talaga yung totoong sitwasyon? So, more than one year na po ito. Walang internal investigation. Hindi ho kayo nangahas. Alamin natin kung sino si Piatos, sino si Belat, sino si Pusa, sino si Pagong. Wala ho kayong ganyang pagtatangka o wala ho kayong ganyang effort sa inyong opisina.

1607
04:35:17,620 --> 04:35:40,930
Gina F. Acosta: Kasi po, Your Honor, sa GC po ang... Ang na-understanding ko po, Your Honor, hindi naman po kailangan po, Your Honor, na aliasis ba o hindi, Your Honor, ang nakalagay po sa acknowledgement, Your Honor. In fact, Your Honor, wala pong format kung ano po ang form or template po ng acknowledgement receipt, Your Honor.

1608
04:35:41,170 --> 04:36:06,850
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Last point, Mr. Presiding Officer. More than one year na po ito, Ms. Acosta. Hindi ho ba kung una pa lang itong binanggit ng mga congressman? May listahan na kayo. Ito po yung totoong tao. Alias po yan. Hindi po yan totoong tao. Ito po ang mga pangalan nila. Ito po ang mga mukha nila. Ito po, kung ayaw nyo ipakita sa publiko, executive session po natin ipakita. Never po kayo nagtangka na buuwin ang listahan yan. O makuha ang impormasyong yan. Iniwan nyo

1609
04:36:06,850 --> 04:36:07,410
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: na po kay La Chica.

1610
04:36:09,670 --> 04:36:16,240
Gina F. Acosta: Confidential in nature po yun, Your Honor. Kaya hindi na po ako nagtanong kasi... Confidential, for Your Honor.

1611
04:36:16,580 --> 04:36:21,080
Sen. Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino: Okay. Tatungin rin po namin si Colonel La Chica pagating po niya dito. Maraming salamat, Madam Witness.

1612
04:36:21,380 --> 04:36:33,920
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Aquino. With the permission of Senator-Judge Zubiri, Senator Lapid is availing of the privilege of interjecting. So, may I give him priority, Senator-Judge Zubiri?

1613
04:36:35,360 --> 04:36:35,840
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator

1614
04:36:35,840 --> 04:36:38,920
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Lapid is recognized. You may proceed when you're ready, sir.

1615
04:36:39,360 --> 04:37:02,590
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Salamat po sa ating group, sir. Ipapalawap ko lang po yung tanong ni Sen. Lacson kanina. Yung pangalawang deliver nyo sa 125 million, kung binilagay nyo sa kaha, sabi nyo binigay nyo yung 80 kay La Chica, kay Colonel, saan napunta yung 45 million? Kanino nyo binigay?

1616
04:37:02,770 --> 04:37:04,830
Gina F. Acosta: Sa aming vault pa po, Your Honor.

1617
04:37:05,650 --> 04:37:19,910
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Nung kinuha nyo yung apat na bag sa bangko, nakita ba ni... Vice President Sara yun. Binuksan mo sa harap niya. O hindi na, diniretso muna kay Colonel La Chica.

1618
04:37:21,490 --> 04:37:36,490
Gina F. Acosta: Pag kuha ko po ng pera sa bangko, inilagay ko sa bag, Your Honor. Dinala po namin yun sa opisina po namin. At doon po, inilagay ko po sa aking extension office, Your Honor.

1619
04:37:36,710 --> 04:37:37,510
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Hindi mo nilagay sa ball?

1620
04:37:39,530 --> 04:37:45,230
Gina F. Acosta: Yung first withdrawal po, Your Honor, yung 2022, hindi na po nailagay sa Volt, Your Honor. Hindi,

1621
04:37:45,230 --> 04:37:45,570
Gina F. Acosta: yung pangalawa.

1622
04:37:46,110 --> 04:37:47,990
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Sabi mo na, ibigay mo kay La Chica yung

1623
04:37:47,990 --> 04:37:48,110
Gina F. Acosta: 80.

1624
04:37:48,490 --> 04:37:50,470
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Yung 45 million, saan mo linagay?

1625
04:37:50,750 --> 04:37:51,350
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Saan mo

1626
04:37:51,350 --> 04:37:51,910
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: binigay?

1627
04:37:53,430 --> 04:38:25,470
Gina F. Acosta: Ginilagay ko po sa aming Volt, Your Honor. Then, after po na-release ko po, yung first release ko na 80 million plus, after mga one month po, Your Honor, nagsubmit po sa akin si... security officer, La Chica, Your Honor, ng fund utilization report, Your Honor, at saka may dala na po din siyang object of expenditure, Your Honor, na yun ang binabasihan ko po, Your Honor, na i-release ko po yung remaining pera, Your Honor.

1628
04:38:25,990 --> 04:39:07,080
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Yun nga po, at marami rin po nagtatanong, pero hindi ko itatanong kung sino yung piyatos, kung anong alias. Sabi nga po ni Senator Riza Monteveros, may kapangalan siya, may ka-birthday pa siya. Eh meron din pong sinabi yung prosecutor na may dalawang lapid na nando doon. Papasalamat po ako kung totoong lapid yun, kamag-anak ko po kasi. Sabi po kasi ng tatay ko, basta lapid kamag-anak ko. Kaya magpapasalamat po ako sa defense at kay Lotica kung nabigyan yung kamag-anak ko. Eh kung hindi, kung alias yun, paano yung... Yung pangalan at apelido namin na inalyas niyo lang pala, hindi totoong tao.

1629
04:39:09,000 --> 04:39:38,290
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, yung mga documents po na yan ay galing po sa security officer, Your Honor, na si Colonel Lachica, Your Honor, na itinalaga po ni Vice President, Your Honor. Kaya po ako, nag-rely po ako, Your Honor. Sa kanya, kasi meron po siyang office order, Your Honor, na siya ang security officer, Your Honor, at siya po ang mag-implement ng mga various confidential operational activities, Your Honor.

1630
04:39:38,670 --> 04:39:59,420
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Ba't yung pinagkatiwalaan si Colonel La Chica, may nakita ba kayong background niya? Nung siya, active pa siya hanggang ngayon, ano? Meron ba siyang intelligence panto sa office niya, na sarili niya? Kasi karamihan ng mayor, local official, military, police, army, navy, may mga intelligence pan po yan. Siya ba? Mayroon bang sariling intelligence pan?

1631
04:39:59,460 --> 04:40:00,680
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam, Your Honor.

1632
04:40:01,100 --> 04:40:01,980
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Hindi mo inalang?

1633
04:40:02,160 --> 04:40:03,720
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam, Your Honor.

1634
04:40:04,000 --> 04:40:05,220
Sen. Manuel “Lito” M. Lapid: Ayun lang po. Maraming salamat.

1635
04:40:07,000 --> 04:40:10,940
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Lapid. Senator-Judge Zubiri.

1636
04:40:12,550 --> 04:40:16,010
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: You may proceed, sir. You have two minutes. When you're ready.

1637
04:40:18,520 --> 04:40:33,540
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Ayoko na magtanong sana, Mr. Presiding Officer. Napakaganda ng mga tanong ni Senator Lapid. Anti-climatic na po ako pagka ganito. May hapon, Palanga. May hapon. Silingan manta, Ma'am Gina.

1638
04:40:33,900 --> 04:40:36,220
Gina F. Acosta: May hapon, Sub-Sir. I honor.

1639
04:40:36,900 --> 04:40:37,640
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Yes, Ma'am.

1640
04:40:39,490 --> 04:41:05,030
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Kasi mga tanong kanina about sa funds, nabigay niyo po lahat kay Col. La Chica. Pero hindi niyo din po alam kung na-misuse ni Col. La Chica yung pondo. Hindi niyo din po malalaman yan. For example, nagbigay po siya ng 100,000 kay Piatos, pero sa totoo lang, hindi pala tao yun, binulsa lang po nila. Posible din po yan kasi nabigay mo lahat ng pondo kay Col. La Chica. Tama po yun, Madam.

1641
04:41:05,550 --> 04:41:17,810
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-base po ako, Your Honor, sa kanyang sinabit sa akin na fund utilization report, Your Honor. After po, ma-implement po niya ang mga project po or activities po ng confidential funds, Your Honor.

1642
04:41:18,190 --> 04:41:44,830
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: O nga kasi, Madam Witness, ganun din po nangyayari na yan pag mga aiks, misuse ng mga pondo ng gobyerno, may mga... Barangay official na nagpapapirma ng P5,000 pala P2,000 lang pa yun na ibigay doon sa recipient. Yung P3,000 binubulsa nila. Posible yung mangyari din po dito dahil yung mga pinapirma na ibinigay sa iyo ay hindi po natin na-verify. Totoo po yun. Hindi naman na-verify.

1643
04:41:45,290 --> 04:41:53,030
Gina F. Acosta: Biniverify ko po yun through La Chica, Your Honor. Kasi siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor. Siya po ang may alam, Your Honor. Siya po ang eksperto, Your Honor.

1644
04:41:53,330 --> 04:41:59,680
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: So iisang tao lamang ang iyong Gisaligan, yung pininiwalaan mo, madam.

1645
04:42:00,100 --> 04:42:06,840
Gina F. Acosta: Kaysa lang po ang akong girelisan o kwarta, Your Honor.

1646
04:42:07,320 --> 04:42:17,760
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: So, katong gilista, yung nalista po ng mga gamot, yung mga expenses, gasolina, pangano, walang resibo po yun, niisa, walang resibo.

1647
04:42:18,120 --> 04:42:21,780
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, Your Honor, kay confidential in nature po, said.

1648
04:42:23,520 --> 04:42:23,600
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Colonel La

1649
04:42:23,600 --> 04:42:53,630
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Chica, Your Honor. Kailangan may resibo po. At bine-verify pa yung resibo ay official receipt, hindi po ano lang, yung acknowledgement receipt.

1650
04:42:54,070 --> 04:42:54,870
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Wala mong

1651
04:42:54,870 --> 04:42:55,650
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: hard lock, ma'am.

1652
04:42:56,660 --> 04:43:36,810
Gina F. Acosta: Ako, Your Honor, nag-trust ako kay Col. La Chica, Your Honor, kasi nag-trust po si VP Sara. Kasi siya po ang gitudlo ng security officer, Your Honor. At saka ang gigastusan po, Your Honor, is confidential in nature, Your Honor. Sa pagka... Ako ang understanding, Your Honor, kung i-devolve or i-tug-an or i-sulti kung kinsa-tong-taw-hana, Your Honor, mapiligro or mabutan sa masama ang tao, Your Honor.

1653
04:43:37,750 --> 04:43:38,970
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Okay, I'm good

1654
04:43:38,970 --> 04:43:41,230
Gina F. Acosta: for the questions. Confidential in nature, mentor, Your Honor.

1655
04:43:41,690 --> 04:43:43,010
Sen. Juan Miguel “Migz” F. Zubiri: Salamat kayo palangga. Thank you.

1656
04:43:43,310 --> 04:43:44,330
Gina F. Acosta: Salamat po. Thank you,

1657
04:43:44,410 --> 04:43:58,150
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator Judge Zubiri. For the information of the senator-judges, we shall try to wrap this up by 3 p.m. And according to the Senate President, we shall convene session at 3.30 p.m. The Senate President is recognized.

1658
04:43:58,810 --> 04:44:02,230
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. Magandang hapan muli, Ms. Acosta.

1659
04:44:03,930 --> 04:44:25,620
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: According sa Joint Circular, kailangan pag nagsubmit ng liquidation report, kasama doon yung documentary evidence of payment, in this case in acknowledgement receipts. Doon sa apat ninyong liquidation report, bakit po walang mga documentary evidence of payment? Bakit po walang acknowledgement receipts?

1660
04:44:26,120 --> 04:44:43,490
Gina F. Acosta: Wala pa po, Your Honor, kasi kinukulikta pa po ang mga acknowledgement receipts, Your Honor, considering po, Your Honor, na Iba-iba pong location, Your Honor, ang pag-implement po ng confidential activities or operations, Your Honor. Pero

1661
04:44:43,490 --> 04:44:56,790
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: klaro sa Joint Circular na dapat naka-attach yung documentary evidence of payment, yung acknowledgement receipts. At bakit hindi niyo inintay dumating yung acknowledgement receipts?

1662
04:44:57,090 --> 04:45:07,770
Gina F. Acosta: May deadline po, Your Honor, kung... Ganun sa kailan po i-submit ang liquidation report, Your Honor, sa kuwa, Your Honor, in every confidential plan na na-release, Your Honor.

1663
04:45:08,170 --> 04:45:13,230
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Nag-demand ba kayo? Sino ba ang, sa kanino man gagaling yung acknowledgement receipts?

1664
04:45:13,510 --> 04:45:18,050
Gina F. Acosta: Sa security officer po, Your Honor, na si Colonel La Chica, Your Honor.

1665
04:45:18,350 --> 04:45:21,070
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Sino gumawa nung mga acknowledgement receipts?

1666
04:45:22,570 --> 04:45:28,070
Gina F. Acosta: Nagbigay lang po ako sa kanya ng USB template po ng acknowledgement receipts, Your Honor. So

1667
04:45:28,070 --> 04:45:28,850
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: siya gumawa rin?

1668
04:45:29,360 --> 04:45:33,060
Gina F. Acosta: Basta binigay ko po sa kanya ang template na naka-USB po, Your Honor. Hindi

1669
04:45:33,060 --> 04:45:35,140
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: kayo ang gumawa ng acknowledgement receipts.

1670
04:45:35,660 --> 04:45:40,600
Gina F. Acosta: Yun po ang gina- ang bigay ko lang po sa kanya, Your Honor, is yung template, Your Honor.

1671
04:45:40,980 --> 04:45:52,940
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Bakit hindi nyo dinemand sa kanya yung acknowledgement receipts bago nyo i-submit yung liquidation report? Bakit hindi nyo sinabi, bigay muna sa akin dahil may deadline tayo?

1672
04:45:54,200 --> 04:46:02,280
Gina F. Acosta: Wala pa po, di pa po niya nakakulikta lahat, Your Honor. Pero in-attach po kami, Your Honor, yung certification, Your Honor.

1673
04:46:02,600 --> 04:46:07,060
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Pero yung certification, nakasulat rin doon, kailangan yung documentary evidence of payments.

1674
04:46:08,720 --> 04:46:14,540
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Nakasulat rin doon. Hindi ka ba nag-report kay VP Sara na violation to ng Joint Circular?

1675
04:46:17,590 --> 04:46:29,620
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Bakit mo isinaalang-alang yung pangalan na ma-violate itong Joint Circular? Hindi ka ba nag-sumbong kay VP Sara na magkakaroon tayo ng violation?

1676
04:46:30,330 --> 04:46:39,450
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, pagpa-receive po ng aming liaison officer sa aming liquidation report, Your Honor, tinanggap naman po ng kuwa, Your Honor. Hindi naman siya tinanggap.

1677
04:46:39,450 --> 04:46:41,290
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi manila binalik sa amin, Your Honor.

1678
04:46:41,570 --> 04:46:56,270
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Hindi, ang importante ngayon yung joint circular, yung compliance sa joint circular. Yun ang mahalaga ngayon. Kaya hindi mo ba sinabi kay VP Sara na mayroon tayong problema? Baka mademanda tayo sa mga susunod?

1679
04:46:57,800 --> 04:47:02,560
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po, Your Honor, kasi tinanggap naman po nang kuha ang aming liquidation report, Your Honor.

1680
04:47:03,060 --> 04:47:13,800
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Itong ngayon na posibleng makasuhan ka, narinig mo naman kanina, at alam ko may mga kasong ifinal sa iyo.

1681
04:47:16,700 --> 04:47:23,960
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Nagkaroon ka ba ng meeting kay VP Sara kung paano ayusin itong problema at kasong kinakaharap mo?

1682
04:47:28,140 --> 04:47:28,880
Gina F. Acosta: Diba meron

1683
04:47:28,880 --> 04:47:29,720
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: kang kaso ngayon?

1684
04:47:30,190 --> 04:47:34,530
Gina F. Acosta: O yung napailan po kami sa, napailan po ako sa Ombudsman, Your Honor.

1685
04:47:34,710 --> 04:47:35,010
Gina F. Acosta: So nag

1686
04:47:35,010 --> 04:47:43,030
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: -usap pa kayo ni VP Sara na paano, ano ang gagawin natin dito sa problema, problema ang kinakaharap ninyo sa confidential funds?

1687
04:47:43,610 --> 04:47:47,670
Gina F. Acosta: Binigyan po niya kami ng abogado, Your Honor. Pero

1688
04:47:47,670 --> 04:47:54,650
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: kayong mismo ni VP Sara, nakapag-usap pa kayo kung paano, kasi kumuha ka na instruction sa kanya eh, diba?

1689
04:47:56,350 --> 04:48:00,330
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Dapat magkaroon rin kayo ng pag-uusap kung paano malampasan itong kaso.

1690
04:48:00,940 --> 04:48:04,660
Gina F. Acosta: Yun po, Your Honor. Binigyan po niya kami ng abogado, Your Honor.

1691
04:48:04,680 --> 04:48:05,360
Gina F. Acosta: Yun lang ang solusyon,

1692
04:48:05,360 --> 04:48:06,300
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: bigyan ng abogado.

1693
04:48:06,520 --> 04:48:07,540
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor.

1694
04:48:07,960 --> 04:48:09,180
Sen. Sherwin T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer.

1695
04:48:09,800 --> 04:48:13,460
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator-Judge Erwin Tulfo, you have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready.

1696
04:48:19,520 --> 04:48:25,120
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Ms. Gina Costa, una po, sorry po dun sa balita tungkol sa inyong asawa.

1697
04:48:25,900 --> 04:48:46,080
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Sorry to hear that. Mabilisan lamang po. Kanina sabi niyo, Yung tables and chairs na worth 3.5 million huwi ata sa confidential fund ay binili kasi gagamitin sa ikang confidential or intelligence operations. Tama po? Yun po sabi ninyo kanina sa akin.

1698
04:48:46,680 --> 04:48:51,120
Gina F. Acosta: Yun po. Kasi galing po yun sa security officer, Your Honor. Ah,

1699
04:48:51,180 --> 04:48:55,100
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: siya nagsabi sa iyo na ibili natin ng chairs and tables.

1700
04:48:55,520 --> 04:49:04,680
Gina F. Acosta: Ang dumating na lang po sa akin, Your Honor, is yung mga ano na lang po, Your Honor, yung mga acknowledgement system, Your Honor, na galing po sa kanya kasi siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor.

1701
04:49:04,980 --> 04:49:15,160
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Oo, okay. Pero alam niyo, I'm sure hindi niyo kabisado yung Joint Memorandum Circular na 2015-01. Hindi niyo po memorize na po.

1702
04:49:16,430 --> 04:49:18,530
Gina F. Acosta: Di ko po lahat na-memorize, Your Honor.

1703
04:49:18,870 --> 04:49:24,910
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Yung section 4.8, section 4.11, alam niyo ba kung anong sinasabi po nito?

1704
04:49:25,990 --> 04:49:28,150
Gina F. Acosta: Pwede po mag-ingit ng kopya, Your Honor.

1705
04:49:29,310 --> 04:49:58,760
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Mayroon po ako, pero ang sinasabi po doon sa section 4.8, 4.11, kukurikin lang po kita, hindi po po pwedeng gamitin ang confidential fund sa pagbibili ng furniture. Ayon po yan sa JMC 2015-01 section 4.8 hanggang section 4.11 dahil ang confidential fund. Ito po para sa inyong kaalaman ano po ma'am kasi hindi ko po rin kayo masisi baka hindi po ninyo memorize.

1706
04:50:00,450 --> 04:51:05,220
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Purchase of information, rental of transport vehicles for surveillance, rental of incidental expenses of safe houses at purchase of highly specialized technical equipment. Sabihin mga surveillance equipment, mga camera, yun po ang pupwede. Tapos ang sinasabi po dito, yung paggamit daw po ng confidential fund for office set up Furniture or general supplies is prohibited dahil ito bypasses standard public procurement transparency rules without serving direct classified surveillance function. Kahit na po ito gagamitin para sa intelligence surveillance operations, hindi po po pwede dahil yung mga upuan, tables po yan, will fall under the MOOE or capital outlet. Next time, ma'am, ha? Para may idea na kayo. Ano? Kung sakasakali maging, in the future, maging SDO ulit kayo, yan po ang pagbabasihan natin. Alright?

1707
04:51:05,880 --> 04:51:07,460
Gina F. Acosta: Retire na po ako, Your Honor. Ah,

1708
04:51:07,540 --> 04:51:09,780
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: okay. So, but for your information, ma'am.

1709
04:51:10,100 --> 04:51:11,620
Gina F. Acosta: Salamat po, Your Honor. Thank you po.

1710
04:51:11,900 --> 04:51:17,040
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Erwin. Senator-Judge Pangilinan, you have two minutes, sir. You may proceed when you're ready.

1711
04:51:21,810 --> 04:51:24,690
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Maraming salamat. Again, magandang hapon.

1712
04:51:27,210 --> 04:51:43,700
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Miss Acosta, dun sa usapin ng surveillance activities worth 122 million ng mga gamot, nakalagay dun sa acknowledgement receipt na yung mga gamot ay bilang rewards. Tama? Tama?

1713
04:51:45,620 --> 04:51:46,900
Gina F. Acosta: Kanaya pa copy?

1714
04:51:48,300 --> 04:51:54,040
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Would the, either the defense or the prosecution provide copies of?

1715
04:51:54,570 --> 04:52:03,570
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Can assisting counsel provide Ms. Gina with a copy of the... I believe the liquidation report should contain that information.

1716
04:52:06,280 --> 04:52:09,620
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: With the page, kindly assist, Senator-Judge Pangilinan.

1717
04:52:12,120 --> 04:52:14,780
Gina F. Acosta: Salamat po, Sir. Salamat, Your Honor.

1718
04:52:16,120 --> 04:52:16,840
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So,

1719
04:52:28,550 --> 04:52:37,810
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: nakalagay diyan, medicines bilang reward para sa informer. Bakit binabayaran ng gamot?

1720
04:52:39,620 --> 04:52:44,630
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: o binibigyan ng reward ng gamot ang informer.

1721
04:52:45,600 --> 04:52:55,900
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, hindi ko po alam ito, Your Honor, kasi galing po ito kay security officer, Your Honor, na siya po ang nagpa-implement, Your Honor. Siya po ang implementer, Your Honor.

1722
04:52:56,240 --> 04:53:36,350
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Yes, pero matagal ka nang naghahandle ng confidential funds. 2015 pa. Ganun ba ang gawi na binibigyan ng informer ng reward? sa surveillance activities at ang bayad ay gamot. Kasi ang total po niyan is 122 million pesos worth of medicines in three tranches at 112 million pesos worth of supplies also in three tranches. Yung medicines lang medyo reward. Nagtataka ako, paano naging reward sa informer ang gamot?

1723
04:53:36,970 --> 04:53:50,350
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po ako makapag-explain, Your Honor, kasi hindi po ako ang nag-implement, Your Honor. Ako po ay nag-disburst lang po, Your Honor. Hindi po ako nag-implement on the ground, Your Honor. Si security officer po na si Colonel Lachica po, Your Honor.

1724
04:53:50,670 --> 04:54:10,940
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Pero kayo ang authorized to disburst. Kayo ang accountable officer. Paano niyo, ikaw mismo, bilang accountable officer, ano ang sa'yo, palagay mong... Paliwanag na yung informer gamot ang binibigay bilang reward kasi yun ang nakalagay sa acknowledgement receipt.

1725
04:54:12,480 --> 04:54:21,880
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko po ma-explain, Your Honor, kasi hindi po ako ang gumawa nito, Your Honor, si Col. Lachica ng security officer po. Siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor.

1726
04:54:22,240 --> 04:54:41,530
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: So hindi rin, gaya ng nabanggit siguro kanina, hindi rin natin alam kung talagang gamot ang binili o meron talagang gamot na 122 million na pinurchase. At bilang accountable officer, hindi mo rin masabi kung talagang medicine yun. Hindi po ba? Nag

1727
04:54:41,530 --> 04:54:50,390
Gina F. Acosta: -base lang po ako, Your Honor, sa binibigay po ng mga documents na galing po sa security officer, Your Honor, na siya po ang nag-implement on the grounds, Your Honor.

1728
04:54:50,870 --> 04:54:58,750
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay. Kanina nabanggit muna, daladala nyo yung bag, apat na bag, bumalik kayo sa opisina. Kanina nyo tinurn over yung apat na bag?

1729
04:55:02,000 --> 04:55:04,840
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: 125 million. Noong una, yung first, last quarter.

1730
04:55:06,140 --> 04:55:18,920
Gina F. Acosta: Nirelease ko po yun, Your Honor, sa security officer, Your Honor, na yan po ang sabi ng Vice President, Your Honor, na pag ma-encash ko po ang cheque, i-release ko po kay Colonel La Chica.

1731
04:55:19,120 --> 04:55:20,700
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Saan nyo nirelease? Sa opisina na?

1732
04:55:21,080 --> 04:55:24,640
Gina F. Acosta: Sa opisina na po doon sa aking extension office, Your Honor.

1733
04:55:24,900 --> 04:55:29,720
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Sino ang kasama ni Colonel La Chica noong pagbigay mo noong apat na bag?

1734
04:55:30,470 --> 04:55:38,930
Gina F. Acosta: Meron po siyang kasama pero nasa labas lang po, hindi po pumasok sa aking extension office, Your Honor. Mga BPSPG po, Your Honor. So,

1735
04:55:38,930 --> 04:55:41,470
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: sa loob na extension office, sino ang nandun?

1736
04:55:42,030 --> 04:55:47,230
Gina F. Acosta: Ako po, Your Honor, at din pumasok po si Colonel La Chica, Your Honor. So,

1737
04:55:47,230 --> 04:55:48,790
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: dalawa lang kayo sa loob na opisina?

1738
04:55:49,250 --> 04:55:50,770
Gina F. Acosta: Opo, Your Honor. At

1739
04:55:50,770 --> 04:55:55,770
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: pagka nagta-turnover ka ng 70 o 80 million, dalawa lang kayo lagi sa tatlong beses?

1740
04:55:56,750 --> 04:56:04,630
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor, pero pinareceive ko po sa kanya, Your Honor. doon po sa object of expenditures na binigay niya sa akin. Yes, yes.

1741
04:56:04,690 --> 04:56:11,070
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Pero ibig sabihin, kayong dalawa lang ang maaaring magsabi na talagang tinurnover mo sa kanya.

1742
04:56:12,260 --> 04:56:14,780
Gina F. Acosta: Giturnover ko po sa kanya, Your Honor. Walang ibang

1743
04:56:14,780 --> 04:56:15,620
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: kasama ron?

1744
04:56:15,880 --> 04:56:17,020
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po, Your Honor.

1745
04:56:17,340 --> 04:56:24,080
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Okay, last wrap-up. Sa Davao City ba nung ikaw ang SDO, meron ding security officer?

1746
04:56:24,680 --> 04:56:26,340
Gina F. Acosta: Meron po, Your Honor. So,

1747
04:56:26,380 --> 04:56:30,220
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: ganun din ang sistema? Tine-turnover mo yung buong pondo sa security officer?

1748
04:56:30,660 --> 04:56:34,040
Gina F. Acosta: Yes, Your Honor, pero magbigay po sila ng October

1749
04:56:34,040 --> 04:56:34,520
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: expenditure. Sino

1750
04:56:34,520 --> 04:56:34,980
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: yung security

1751
04:56:34,980 --> 04:56:35,640
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: officer

1752
04:56:35,640 --> 04:56:36,640
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: na yun sa Davao?

1753
04:56:37,980 --> 04:56:45,530
Gina F. Acosta: Dalawa po sila, Your Honor. Si Sir Benedilion at saka si...

1754
04:56:47,350 --> 04:56:51,270
Gina F. Acosta: At

1755
04:56:52,940 --> 04:57:09,760
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: ganun din, one last question. Ganun din ang sistema. Walang, kasi dito sa last, yung three tranches na totaling almost 500 million, walang official receipt, walang sales invoice, tama? Dito sa OVP, tama?

1756
04:57:10,100 --> 04:57:12,500
Gina F. Acosta: Ang alin, nawala ko, Your Honor, I'm sorry. Yung

1757
04:57:12,500 --> 04:57:23,070
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: liquidation, walang sales invoice, walang official receipt, puro acknowledgement receipt. Kasi yun ang sinabi ng COA eh. You confirm that?

1758
04:57:26,710 --> 04:57:38,810
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: COA already said, walang Lahat nung mga liquidation reports, walang sales invoice at walang official receipts. Puro acknowledgement receipts. So you acknowledge that. Tama?

1759
04:57:40,580 --> 04:57:41,880
Gina F. Acosta: Sandali lang, Your Honor, ha?

1760
04:57:45,870 --> 04:57:56,170
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: The witness already answered, actually, Senator-Judge Pangilinan, twice earlier, that walang official receipt sa liquidation report na finial nila sa COA.

1761
04:57:56,290 --> 04:58:00,350
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: At ganun din sa Davao, nung ikaw ay SDO?

1762
04:58:00,610 --> 04:58:02,430
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po. Oo, wala po. You're on.

1763
04:58:03,660 --> 04:58:04,320
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: No further

1764
04:58:04,320 --> 04:58:04,760
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: questions,

1765
04:58:04,920 --> 04:58:05,280
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Mr. President.

1766
04:58:05,300 --> 04:58:12,620
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator-Judge Raffi, Tulfo, and finally, after him, Senator-Judge Hercitob. Thank you, Your Honor.

1767
04:58:16,740 --> 04:58:35,380
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Madam Witness, magbibigyan nalang ako ng senaryo kasi predictable na yung mga sagot mo. So hopefully ito, may iba yung sagot mo. I'll give you a senaryo. Halimbawa, ako sila chika and then binigyan mo kan hundred million. Pagbalik, meron na akong dalang Ferrari, Lamborghini, Patek Philippe.

1768
04:58:37,080 --> 04:58:50,260
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Rolex, and then sinabi niya, huwag ka maglala, confidential in nature to, sensitive in nature, ako'y eksperto, ako nakakalam sa ground, anong gagawin? Palulusutin mo pa rin o kukwestiyonin mo?

1769
04:58:50,480 --> 04:58:54,180
Gina F. Acosta: Wala pong ganyan, Sir. Halimbawa nga lang, sinaryo nga

1770
04:58:54,180 --> 04:59:04,960
Gina F. Acosta: po. Hindi ko masabi, Your Honor, kasi wala po, Your Honor. Hindi ako magsagot, Anna, Your Honor, kaya wala akong naka-experience, Anna, Your Honor. I'm sorry, Your Honor. Hindi ko makasagot, Your Honor.

1771
04:59:05,080 --> 04:59:27,870
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Understood. So the reason why I ask that, kasi paulit-ulit na lang yung sagot mo. So binibigyan kita ng extreme scenario na para ang sasagutin mo, it's either, I don't know, wala akong alam, or hindi niya gagawin yun, which napredit ko na. Last question na lamang. Follow-up kasi natanongin tungkol sa Davao.

1772
04:59:29,820 --> 04:59:35,740
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Magkaiba yung naging senaryo sa Davao at saka sa OVP. Sa Davao, nag-comply ata. Diba?

1773
04:59:37,990 --> 04:59:47,970
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: Yung nung SDO ka doon, boras sa Manila, OVP, hindi. Tama. Yan ang pinakaiba. Kasi sa Davao, hindi ka na-flag down ng

1774
04:59:49,570 --> 04:59:50,210
Sen. Raffy T. Tulfo: okuwa.

1775
04:59:51,300 --> 04:59:52,940
Gina F. Acosta: Wala po kami, Your Honor.

1776
04:59:53,600 --> 05:00:28,800
Sen. Erwin Tulfo: Last na lamang. You know what, Madam, seriously, from my heart, naawa ako sa iyo. Nakahawa ako sa iyo kasi I believe in my heart hindi ka kurap ni Singkunduling, wala kang ginalaw doon sa confidential funds na daan-daan, milyon and bilyones. Ang masakit nito, yung mga taong nakinabang doon, binulsa yung ilang halaga sa perang yon or totally binulsa yung mga perang yon. Pangising-ising ngayon habang ikaw dito, ginigil ka, pinagpapawisan ka, kawawa ang dating mo at baka makulong ka pa. My heart goes to you. Maraming salamat.

1777
05:00:29,280 --> 05:00:34,300
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Senator J.V. Ercito for his interjection. You have two minutes, sir. Thank you, Senator Judge Rafi Tulfo. Thank

1778
05:00:34,300 --> 05:01:43,000
Sen. Joseph Victor “JV” Ejercito: you, Mr. President. Oficer, isa lang tatanungin ko kasi nakikinig naman ako sa inyo. Ginangakusta. At consistent naman yung inyong sagot na nagtiwala kayo kay Colonel La Chica kaya hindi na kayo nagtanong kahit minsan. Pag sinabing confidential in nature, ang tanong ko lang... Hindi na ba pwedeng ano yun? Yun ba'y ano na na hindi na pwedeng magtanong? Dahil ang pagkakaalam ko, dahil ako nag-negosyo rin noon at naging mayor din, na natural po sa mga disbursing officer, sa mga na-accountant, ang pagtatanong. Lalo na, 125 million po ito. At tanong ko lang, Sir Presiding Officer, isa lang, doon ba sa mga pagkakataong yun sa ilang beses kayong nag-dispers? ng 125 million, hindi ba sumagi sa inyong isipan na minsan magtanong kung saan ginagamit yung ganun kalaking pera? Kasi alam ko natural yan, ma'am, sa mga accountant, sa mga finance person, matanong talaga yan. So yun lang, ni minsan ba sumagi sa inyong isipan na makapagtanong kung paano ginamit yung 125 million?

1779
05:01:43,460 --> 05:01:46,740
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-verify po ako kay security officer, Your Honor.

1780
05:01:47,720 --> 05:02:17,860
Sen. Joseph Victor “JV” Ejercito: Opo, narinig ko na rin kanina yun eh. Kaya lang ang tanong ko lang kung minsan po naisip niyo bang tanungin kung paanong ginamit kasi paulit-ulit nanigtiwala kayo kay Colonel Achica dahil siya po ang designated na security officer ng inyong head of agency pero yun lang po dahil yun nga dahil natural nga po sa dapat sa mga finance person ang magtanong. So yung sa mga ilang beses na nag-disburse kayo ng 125 million ni Minsan, sumagi ba sa inyong isipan

1781
05:02:17,860 --> 05:02:19,980
Sen. Joseph Victor “JV” Ejercito: at tanong na kung paano ito ginamit? Yan lang po.

1782
05:02:22,300 --> 05:02:23,940
Gina F. Acosta: Confidential in nature po, Your Honor.

1783
05:02:24,940 --> 05:02:28,120
Sen. Joseph Victor “JV” Ejercito: Okay na po, Mr. Presiding Officer. Wala time ako kukuhasi po.

1784
05:02:28,360 --> 05:02:31,340
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank you, Senator-Judge Zerito. Finally, Senator-Judge Riza.

1785
05:02:39,860 --> 05:03:19,940
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Salamat po muli, Mr. President. Una, Ms. Gina Pohon, gumaling agad ang inyong bana. Salamat, Ma. O, isa pa yan. Tatlong tanong na lamang po sa inyo. Sabi niyo po sa amin, kayo mismo ay nakapansin na may kakulangan doon sa acknowledgement receipts. Pero, nung vinerify niyo iyon, ang mga iyon kay Colonel La Chica, tinanggap niyo na lang na confidential ang paliwanag niya. So, sa intindi niyo po, ano po yung required doon sa joint circular? Tiwala ba? o resibo.

1786
05:03:28,710 --> 05:03:52,190
Gina F. Acosta: Basta ma'am, ako po ma'am, nagtiwala po ako sa mga dokumento po na binigay ng aming security officer ma'am kasi siya po ang tindalaga na mag-implement po ng mga various confidential expenses ma'am at saka si Vice President Sara po na ang head ng aming office ang nag-designate sa kanya ma'am bilang security officer ma'am.

1787
05:03:52,870 --> 05:04:13,630
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Okay po. Huling pangalawang tanong ko. Tuwing binibigay niyo po yung tig 125 million pesos kay Col. La Chica, yung apat na quarters na yun, nire-report niyo po ba yun kay VP Sara Duterte na, Ma'am, binigay ko na po yung 125 million kay Col. La Chica?

1788
05:04:14,480 --> 05:04:15,740
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, Ma'am.

1789
05:04:16,180 --> 05:04:16,740
Gina F. Acosta: Naka

1790
05:04:16,740 --> 05:04:22,600
Gina F. Acosta: -record po yun sa CDR po, Ma'am, na nag-release pa ako kay Col. La Chica.

1791
05:04:23,230 --> 05:04:29,190
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: At nakarecord sa CDR na ni-report niyo yung pagbibigay na iyon kay VP Sara Duterte.

1792
05:04:29,190 --> 05:04:30,830
Gina F. Acosta: Tinext ko lang po siya, ma'am.

1793
05:04:30,830 --> 05:04:46,080
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Tinext niyo siya. And huling tanong po, sa pagkakaintindi niyo, si VP Sara rin po ang nagbibigay ng instructions kay Colonel La Chica kung anong gagawin sa pera? Tama po ba yun?

1794
05:04:46,080 --> 05:04:47,300
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam, ma'am.

1795
05:04:47,300 --> 05:04:54,940
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Hindi niyo alam. Alright. Salamat. Muli. Salamat, Ma'am. Miss Gina. Salamat po, Mr. Presiding

1796
05:04:54,940 --> 05:04:55,080
Sen. Risa Hontiveros: Officer.

1797
05:04:55,080 --> 05:05:07,320
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Just a few from the Presiding Officer, Ma'am Gina. Kundi na lang po. Sabi niyo, lahat ng sinasabi ni Colonel Lachiga, pinapaniwalaan niyong base sa tiwala. Ang ginagawa niyo lamang ay tingnan kung tumutugma o nagtatali yung pera. Tama po?

1798
05:05:08,510 --> 05:05:09,510
Gina F. Acosta: Yes po, Your Honor.

1799
05:05:10,170 --> 05:05:22,480
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Eh bakit sabi po ng COA sa notice of suspension nila, hindi nagtali yung pera? Sumobra po yung pinadala niyong acknowledgement receipts ng 150,000. So, mali po yung tali niyo.

1800
05:05:23,380 --> 05:05:45,140
Gina F. Acosta: Yun po, yung instances, Your Honor, yung after po na-release ko po ay yung 125 million kay Sir La Chica, Your Honor, tumawag po siya sa akin na kailangan pa niya ng 150K po, Your Honor. for security purposes, Your Honor.

1801
05:05:45,460 --> 05:05:50,740
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Saan po galing yun eh? 125 million lang po yung perang winedraw niyo sa bangko. So

1802
05:05:50,740 --> 05:06:07,140
Gina F. Acosta: at that time, Your Honor, tumawag ako sa kay Asic Lemer Alton, Your Honor, informing him, Your Honor, na tumawag po sa akin si Security Officer Colonel La Chica na kailangan po niya ng 150 for security, Your Honor.

1803
05:06:07,680 --> 05:06:10,380
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Saan galing po yung pera na binigay niyo sa kanya?

1804
05:06:11,780 --> 05:06:14,580
Gina F. Acosta: Kay Asic Limer, author nyo po, Your Honor.

1805
05:06:14,880 --> 05:06:16,400
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Saan po naman niya nakuha yung pera?

1806
05:06:17,170 --> 05:06:18,590
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko alam, Your Honor.

1807
05:06:19,070 --> 05:06:20,310
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi na rin po kayo nagtanong?

1808
05:06:20,790 --> 05:06:21,270
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi.

1809
05:06:23,270 --> 05:06:27,630
Gina F. Acosta: Basta binigyan niya po ako ng 150,000, Your Honor.

1810
05:06:27,910 --> 05:06:31,690
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ngayon, yung winidraw po nyo sa banko, hindi ba cash advance po yun, yung apat na quarter?

1811
05:06:33,120 --> 05:06:37,280
Gina F. Acosta: As cash advance po, Your Honor. So, kailangan i-liquidate po, Your Honor.

1812
05:06:37,620 --> 05:06:38,680
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Magkano po ang bond ninyo?

1813
05:06:40,780 --> 05:06:43,820
Gina F. Acosta: Di ko kumemorize, Your Honor. I'm sorry.

1814
05:06:44,180 --> 05:06:47,120
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pero saklaw po yung amount na 125 million.

1815
05:06:50,250 --> 05:06:52,090
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi niyo

1816
05:06:53,120 --> 05:06:53,480
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: alam, ma'am?

1817
05:06:55,440 --> 05:07:09,280
Gina F. Acosta: Basta yung sabi ng accountant, ang maalala ko, Your Honor, na ang ban ko po ay kalabel po kung magkano po ang ikakasa advance ko, Your Honor.

1818
05:07:09,870 --> 05:07:26,230
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am, ang kash advance niyo po, 125, hindi pa niyo naliliquidate, nag-cash advance ulit kayo ng 125 million ulit para sa first quarter, nag-cash advance ulit kayo ng another 125, wala pa pong tinanggap na liquidation. So, magkano po ang kabuhang bond ninyo?

1819
05:07:28,200 --> 05:07:32,020
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Aabot po ba ng 500 million yung bond ninyo? Para sa 500 million?

1820
05:07:37,440 --> 05:07:39,820
Gina F. Acosta: Parang 8? 8?

1821
05:07:42,640 --> 05:07:46,480
Gina F. Acosta: Basta meron yung 8 yun, Your Honor. I'm sorry, hindi ko ka-memorize, Your Honor.

1822
05:07:46,940 --> 05:07:49,380
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Pero saklaw yung mini-withdraw niyong cash advance?

1823
05:07:53,000 --> 05:07:54,600
Gina F. Acosta: Saklaw yata, Your Honor.

1824
05:07:54,940 --> 05:07:57,760
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi po pwede kung hindi saklaw. So malamang saklaw, di ba?

1825
05:07:59,590 --> 05:08:19,730
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kanina pa kayo sabi ng sabing, dinisverse niyo kay Latchika, si Latchika nag-implement. Ano po bang ibig sabihin ninyo ng implement? Yung walong iba't ibang lugar sa Pilipinas na binayad, binayaran, sa loob ng parehong araw, sino po ang gumastos noon?

1826
05:08:22,410 --> 05:08:28,070
Gina F. Acosta: Nag-implement po si Col. Lachica, Your Honor. Ako po ang nag-disperse sa kanya.

1827
05:08:28,930 --> 05:08:51,250
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Binigay niyo po yung 125 million kay Col. Lachica ayon mismo sa acknowledgement receipts na hawak ninyo, na tinali ninyo, sabi niyo rin po kanina, nagbigay ng pera sa iba't ibang tao sa iba't ibang lugar sa parehong petsa. Sino po ang nagbigay ng pera ngayon dun sa mga nakapangalan sa acknowledgement receipt?

1828
05:08:51,920 --> 05:08:59,540
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko po alam, Your Honor, kasi hindi po ako nag-implement ng mga confidential activities or operation, Your Honor.

1829
05:08:59,960 --> 05:09:01,340
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi rin si Col. Lachica.

1830
05:09:01,920 --> 05:09:07,740
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi ko masasabi, Your Honor, basta ako, Your Honor, si Col. Lachica po ang security officer, Your Honor. Ma

1831
05:09:07,740 --> 05:09:08,000
Gina F. Acosta: 'am, sorry po

1832
05:09:08,000 --> 05:09:33,730
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ha, hindi ko pwedeng tanggapin yun dahil iba't ibang lugar, lima hanggang walo't iba't ibang lugar, dinisverse yung pera. Kahit po si Colonel Lachica, hindi naman po siya si Superman, hindi naman niya kayang gawin yun, na siya lang. So, ano po yung malamang sagot sa tanong? Hindi po si Colonel Lachica yung nagbigay ng mga pera yun sa mga taong nakapirma sa acknowledgement receipt. Malamang ibang tao yun. Malamang po, di ba?

1833
05:09:34,660 --> 05:09:40,160
Gina F. Acosta: Parang, Your Honor, parang yung issue na yun, Your Honor, is parang sa Deep Ed po yata.

1834
05:09:41,550 --> 05:09:43,190
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Wala pong ganun sa OVP?

1835
05:09:44,400 --> 05:09:46,320
Gina F. Acosta: Wala pong issue na ganun, Your Honor.

1836
05:09:47,390 --> 05:09:49,090
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Paano niyo po nalaman yun sa DPID?

1837
05:09:50,160 --> 05:09:58,470
Gina F. Acosta: Kasi yun po ang nalaman ko, Your Honor. Sa amin po, sa AOM, wala pong ganun, Your Honor. Wala

1838
05:09:58,470 --> 05:10:09,340
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: pong issue sa AOM. Kaugnay niyan, alam ko. Wala pong issue sa AOM. Hindi po in-issue sa AOM yung mga alias, yung paggamit na iba't ibang pangalang kakaiba. Wala pong sa AOM yan.

1839
05:10:11,130 --> 05:10:22,900
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ang tanong ko po, Ma'am Gina, Si Colonel La Chica ba na binigyan niyo ng kabuang pera ang nagbigay din ng pera dun sa mga may acknowledgement receipt? Siya din mismo ba? O may ginamit din siyang ibang tao?

1840
05:10:24,070 --> 05:10:31,550
Gina F. Acosta: Your Honor, hindi ko po iyan masagot, Your Honor, kasi wala po ako sa ground, Your Honor. Si Colonel La Chica po ang nag-implement, Your Honor.

1841
05:10:32,250 --> 05:10:34,850
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ibig sabihin po ba nag-implement siya yung nag-disperse?

1842
05:10:36,010 --> 05:10:40,750
Gina F. Acosta: Siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor, kung may binayaran po siya, Your Honor.

1843
05:10:41,470 --> 05:10:48,630
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ma'am? Kung siya po ang nag-implement, ibig sabihin siya ang nag-disverse. Doon sa mga taong nakatanggap. Di umano.

1844
05:10:51,350 --> 05:10:58,690
Gina F. Acosta: Opo. Basta ako, Your Honor, ako po ang nag-disverse sa kanya, Your Honor. Siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor. Kayo ang nag-disverse sa

1845
05:10:58,690 --> 05:11:00,790
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: kanya, siya ang nag-disverse sa iba.

1846
05:11:03,790 --> 05:11:13,050
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Kayo ang nag-disverse sa kanya, siya ang nagbayad sa iba. O kayo po yung nagbayad sa kanya at binayad niya sa iba. Disverse po yun sa inyo, di ba?

1847
05:11:13,530 --> 05:11:21,930
Gina F. Acosta: Ako po ang nag-disburst sa kanya, Your Honor. Tapos kung may binayaran nun po siya, kasi siya po ang nag-implement, Your Honor. So

1848
05:11:21,930 --> 05:11:23,010
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: nagdi-disburst din siya?

1849
05:11:25,850 --> 05:11:30,130
Gina F. Acosta: Basta ako, Your Honor, nag-disburst ako bilang SDO, Your Honor.

1850
05:11:30,310 --> 05:11:43,350
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Ulitin ko, Ma'am. Ma'am, hindi po komplikado to. Disbursing officer kayo, kaya nga SDO eh. Nag-disburst po kayo sa kanya. Yung ginawa ba niyang pagbabayad, hindi ba disbursement din yun?

1851
05:11:47,320 --> 05:11:48,340
Gina F. Acosta: Nagbayad siya, Your Honor.

1852
05:11:48,700 --> 05:11:54,640
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi ba disbursement din po yun? Dinisberse niya yung pera. Hindi naman niya binulsa ba ni Colonel Lachica yung pera?

1853
05:11:55,020 --> 05:11:55,440
Gina F. Acosta: Wala.

1854
05:11:56,250 --> 05:12:04,830
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Hindi. Siguradong-sigurado kayo. Hindi. So pinabayad niya. So dinisberse nga niya dun sa mga taong nakatanggap ayon sa acknowledgement receipts.

1855
05:12:05,630 --> 05:12:14,630
Gina F. Acosta: Dinisberse po niya, Your Honor, during the implementation po ng confidential activities and operation, Your Honor, sa ground, Your Honor. So yung implementation

1856
05:12:14,630 --> 05:12:18,760
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: nga po niya, kasama doon yung pag-disburse ng pera.

1857
05:12:19,510 --> 05:12:20,410
Gina F. Acosta: Ano po, Your Honor?

1858
05:12:20,710 --> 05:12:28,010
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yung implementation na kanina niyo po po sinasabi, kasama doon, kasama sa pag-implement, ang pag-disburse ng pera.

1859
05:12:29,820 --> 05:12:35,020
Gina F. Acosta: Kaya nag-implement doon siya, Your Honor, di ko na alam, Your Honor, kung paano po niya...

1860
05:12:36,640 --> 05:12:39,860
Gina F. Acosta: Paano po niya ibayaran ang mga tao, Your Honor? Hindi

1861
05:12:39,860 --> 05:12:48,420
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: ko po tinatanong kung paano niya binayaran. Ang sinasabi ko po, siya yung nagbayad ng pera, siya yung nag-disburse ng pera sa iba't ibang pinagbigyan niya. Walang napunta sa kanya.

1862
05:12:49,530 --> 05:12:51,970
Gina F. Acosta: Siya po ang nagbayad, Your Honor. Walang napunta sa kanya.

1863
05:12:52,550 --> 05:12:55,110
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. Thank you very much, Ma'am Gina.

1864
05:12:55,910 --> 05:12:56,510
Gina F. Acosta: Salamat po.

1865
05:12:57,640 --> 05:13:02,840
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: One final point from Senator-Judge Kiko and then we will excuse you, Ma'am Gina.

1866
05:13:02,960 --> 05:13:26,490
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer. It is actually a follow-up to your question, Mr. Presiding Officer. Under Joint Circular 2050 No. 1, the SDO is mandated to disburse the funds directly to the final legitimate recipient or purpose.

1867
05:13:28,240 --> 05:13:36,360
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Si Colonel Lachika ba yung legitimate recipient? Final legitimate recipient or purpose?

1868
05:13:37,370 --> 05:13:38,690
Gina F. Acosta: Hindi po, Your Honor.

1869
05:13:39,710 --> 05:14:17,190
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: Kaya, ibig sabihin, dapat doon ang magdi-disperse na SDO, kayo po yun, kayo dapat. Hindi po ba ang magbibigay doon sa mga tatanggap tulad ng yun na nga, yung mga mailyas. Pero ang sinasabi nyo, ang defense po ninyo is, Dahil confidential in nature at wala kayong access to confidential, wala kayong security clearance, hindi na nyo pwedeng pakialaman bilang SDO yung mga ginastos sa mga confidential activities. Parang ganun po sinasabi nyo, no? Tama?

1870
05:14:17,970 --> 05:14:20,650
Gina F. Acosta: Pinirify po naman po sa kanya, Your Honor. Pero,

1871
05:14:20,770 --> 05:15:09,310
Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan: okay, yes. Yun lang nga. Yun lang. Yun lang actually na dapat ang SDO under the Joint Circular should be the one to disburse the amounts and disbursement means final recipient or purpose. Hindi naman po si Colonel La Chica yung final recipient at hindi rin siya yung final purpose. Meron pang iba. But, yung defensa po ninyo, kaya kayo pinwera ni Colonel La Chica eh dahil ito eh confidential. activities, wala kayong security clearance kaya hindi kayo dapat nangengelam or hindi nyo na kailangan alamin pa kung paano ginagastos ito. Basta merong sinasabi nga ninyong liquidation and supporting documents.

1872
05:15:09,750 --> 05:15:11,890
Gina F. Acosta: Meron po siyang sinasubmit sa akin, Your Honor.

1873
05:15:12,490 --> 05:15:14,470
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Okay. Maraming salamat. Thank you.

1874
05:15:14,610 --> 05:15:15,650
Gina F. Acosta: Salamat din.

1875
05:15:15,650 --> 05:15:16,030
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Thank

1876
05:15:16,030 --> 05:15:33,580
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: you, Senator-Judge Kiko. Madam Gina, you are excused. Maraming salamat po sa panahon, sa pasensya, sa pagtugon sa mga katanungan ng mga abogado ng magkabilang panig at kayo din ng senator-judges. Salamat po, Sara. You are excused, ma'am. You may step

1877
05:15:33,580 --> 05:15:33,680
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: down

1878
05:15:33,680 --> 05:15:36,940
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: from your position. Salamat po sa lahat. Salamat po. Magandang hapon. For

1879
05:15:36,940 --> 05:17:43,750
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: some administrative matters, we are in receipt of a letter from Mr. Ortoño that his exams were suspended last week due to inclement weather and is reset to September 1 and 2. A subpoena has been issued to him to attend today and tomorrow's hearing. So we expect Mr. Ortoño to be here tomorrow as the witness of the prosecution. And we note the manifestation and appreciate the manifestation of Mr. Ortoño regarding the postponement of the exam. We are also in receipt of a letter from Gabriel Mendoza Law Offices and a medical certificate of Edward Fajarda. Our supposed witness for today, tomorrow, and the next day. Excusing himself from attending the 24, 25, and 26 trial because according to the letter and medical certificate, Mr. Fajarda was confined in the ICU for observation although he's in a regular room now because he suffered from a stroke on the lower backside of the brain according to the medical certificate. The court notes the medical certificate from counsel and physician of Mr. Fajarda. However, before we excuse him as requested, the chair, rather, the court, is instructing and directing the head of the Senate's Medical and Dental Bureau, Dr. Sison, to examine the witness and validate the medical findings with his physicians and to submit a report to this court regarding his... Condition, and if indeed he will be unable to testify this week, and when, if at all, he can testify. It's ordered. The Chair will defer. Would have been prepared to make a ruling with respect to the August 12th manifestation of Sheila and hear the answer of Attorney Ligutan. However, given the time, we shall postpone that for tomorrow. So, Lead Prosecutor, do we expect Mr. Antonio to be your next witness tomorrow?

1880
05:17:44,400 --> 05:18:10,360
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: First of all, Your Honor, we would like to request from the Honorable Impeachment Court a certified true copy of the medical certificate of Edward Fajarda, the former SDO of DepEd, whom we expect to present today until tomorrow. Nonetheless, Your Honor, we would like to express our complete understanding and concern should the medical condition has any relation to the ongoing impeachment trial.

1881
05:18:12,440 --> 05:18:15,060
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Pertaining to Mr. Ortonio, Your Honor, Before you

1882
05:18:15,060 --> 05:18:28,660
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: proceed, counsel, so we will furnish you that copy, clerk of court is so directed, as well as the report of the Senate's Medical and Dental Bureau Chief. You and the other party will be furnished with a copy of the same.

1883
05:18:29,210 --> 05:19:52,250
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Likewise, Your Honor. With respect to the advice of the physician to take a rest for a period of two weeks, we understand that the medical certificate was issued on August 20 and two weeks will end on September 3 and that is a Thursday. And therefore, we would like to make a reservation on September 7 for the presentation of Edward Fajarda still as part of the witnesses of the prosecution, Your Honor. With respect to Limuel Ortoño, Your Honor, the Assistant Chief of Staff of the OVP, yes, we confirm to present him tomorrow. However, Your Honor, since tomorrow is only Tuesday and we would like to maximize the schedule that was given to us by the Honorable Impeachment Court, may we likewise request for the issuance of subpoena to the three AFP officials, namely, Your Honor, Colonel Manaros Boransing II, Colonel Magtanggol Panopio, and Colonel Adonis Bahao. This is for Wednesday, Your Honor. That is August 26. And if we will not be able to finish the same, we will be making the necessary manifestation on Wednesday for a possible reissuance of subpoena on the following week, Your Honor.

1884
05:19:52,530 --> 05:19:56,960
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: These officials of the AFP are in active service, Counsel? What do you know?

1885
05:20:01,120 --> 05:20:15,120
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: It is believed, Your Honor, that Colonel Adonis Bahao is retired already. However, the two remaining, such as Colonel Manaros and Colonel Magtanggol, are both in active service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. And this

1886
05:20:15,120 --> 05:20:18,460
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: pertains to the OVP or DepEd's confidential funds?

1887
05:20:18,620 --> 05:20:22,100
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: This pertains to the Department of Education's confidential fund, Your Honor.

1888
05:20:22,300 --> 05:20:48,360
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Although Attorney Ligutan answered already earlier, I think you cannot ignore the fact that the witness has been naming One specific colonel for the whole afternoon and this morning and the name of the colonel does not appear in one of those you are seeking to issue a subpoena against. Out of curiosity, although we cannot compel you, counsel, at some point... Do we expect that to happen?

1889
05:20:49,000 --> 05:21:03,540
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: We confirm, Your Honor, that that is part of the prosecution's witnesses, but as a matter of practice of the prosecution, we will have to revisit the list to come up with our final decision as to who will be presented before this impeachment court, Your Honor.

1890
05:21:03,720 --> 05:21:09,900
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: But again, you cannot deny the fact that Queen Alachica was starring in the testimony of

1891
05:21:09,900 --> 05:21:10,960
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Gina

1892
05:21:10,960 --> 05:21:27,740
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Acosta. Let the subpoena be issued to the aforementioned three current and or former officials of the AFP to attend the hearing beginning on Wednesday. Who will be your first witness? In what order will they appear? Will you call them, counsel?

1893
05:21:28,120 --> 05:21:35,180
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: They will be presented in the order as presented earlier, Your Honor, Boran Singh and then Panopio and then Bahao.

1894
05:21:35,560 --> 05:21:42,080
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Let the corresponding subpoena be issued to the three aforementioned officers and or former officers of the AFP for Wednesday.

1895
05:21:46,380 --> 05:21:47,300
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: August 26,

1896
05:21:47,720 --> 05:21:48,620
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: as

1897
05:21:48,620 --> 05:21:51,520
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: well as for the hearing and trial dates next week.

1898
05:21:53,300 --> 05:21:56,320
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 31 and 1 and 2, if I'm not mistaken.

1899
05:21:56,420 --> 05:21:57,820
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: 31 is a holiday, Your Honor.

1900
05:21:59,120 --> 05:22:03,640
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: 1 and 2 then. For 1 and 2, September 1 and 2. So ordered.

1901
05:22:04,240 --> 05:22:04,880
Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Your Honor.

1902
05:22:05,260 --> 05:22:06,420
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Counsel, respondent,

1903
05:22:06,420 --> 05:22:06,560
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Sheila.

1904
05:22:06,720 --> 05:22:07,000
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes,

1905
05:22:07,000 --> 05:23:06,660
Atty. Sheila C. Sison: ma'am. Yes, good afternoon, Your Honor. We will defer to the... ruling and issuance of this court of the subpoena for the three named AFP officials but we just like to put on record that this would be inconsistent with the pretrial order and the order issued at the start of the trial by this court that with respect to intended witnesses each party must be given at least five days before the intended dates for their presentation. Since the disclosure was only made today, then we're practically given just, what, two days. In fact, one day before Wednesday. And this isn't procedural, Your Honor. This goes into the ability of the respondent to prepare substantively for any cross-examination or presentation of the prosecution's witness.

1906
05:23:09,210 --> 05:23:34,770
Atty. Sheila C. Sison: But this court having issued the subpoena, corresponding subpoena upon the request of the prosecution will just put on record whether this would govern the proceedings from here on where short notice and that are inconsistent with the pretrial order will be allowed by this court moving on for both parties and not only for one party, Your Honor.

1907
05:23:35,080 --> 05:24:12,930
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: No, counsel, if I may. We will be listening to Ortonia tomorrow, who might actually reach until Wednesday. At worst, we will be hearing the direct examination of Colonel Boran Singh, and the court will give due recognition and time to the counsel-respondent to prepare for the cross. So most likely, without... Most likely, the cross-examination of the counsel-respondent for this new unannounced witness will be on Tuesday next week, giving you more than actually five days even. Thank you for

1908
05:24:12,930 --> 05:24:16,650
Atty. Sheila C. Sison: the clarity, Your Honor.

1909
05:24:16,930 --> 05:24:17,770
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: Your Honor, may

1910
05:24:17,770 --> 05:24:18,390
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: I just put on

1911
05:24:18,390 --> 05:25:03,550
Atty. Amando Virgil D. Ligutan: record that our disclosure or submission of the new witnesses, which... as described by the defense as a seeming deviation is not deliberate, Your Honor. If not for the inability of the next witness, former SDO of DepEd, who is Edward Fajarda, we will not be seeking for the issuance of subpoena of this new witnesses. Your Honor, this is prompted by the inability of the next hostile witness in the person of Edward Fajarda to make himself available tomorrow and on Wednesday. reason why we requested for the issuance of subpoena of three AFP officials, Your Honor.

1912
05:25:03,730 --> 05:25:16,790
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Julie noted, the court accepts the explanation of counsel given again the unavailability depending on the findings of the Senate doctor as to his actual condition. Yes, Sheila?

1913
05:25:16,930 --> 05:25:30,280
Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Just very quick manifestation, Your Honor. I did not state or even manifest that there was seeming evasion. by the prosecution. I merely sought clarity, Your Honor.

1914
05:25:31,760 --> 05:25:35,780
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: That was how it was taken by the presiding officer. Any other points?

1915
05:25:36,260 --> 05:25:37,000
Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Yes, Your Honor.

1916
05:25:37,220 --> 05:25:38,600
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Yes, counsel,

1917
05:25:38,780 --> 05:26:53,100
Atty. Sheila C. Sison: respondent. We are in receipt of a request for stipulation. Material facts concerning witness Edward D. Fajarda. dated August 24, 2026. I've read the entirety of this three-page motion including the signature page and we are not willing to stipulate on the matters. Contained in this request for stipulation apart from items number 1 and 2 that Fajardo serve as executive assistant and as the SDO for CF of the Department of Education during the term of respondent Vice President Sara Duterte, Secretary of Education and number 2 in such capacity, Fajardo was tasked to disperse and liquidate 112.5 million debit confidential funds subject of this case. Should the presentation of Mr. Fajarda goes on another... Scheduled. But as to the rest, Your Honor, just so we don't waste any more time waiting for the response to this request for stipulation, we're putting on record, we're not stipulating as to the rest of the items in this request for stipulation because we are aware that whatever stipulation that the defense would enter from items 3 to 11

1918
05:26:57,730 --> 05:27:06,570
Atty. Sheila C. Sison: It may be taken as something that one conclusion can be drawn from another, Your Honor. So, we refuse to stipulate.

1919
05:27:25,540 --> 05:27:27,560
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: So noted. Thank you. Any other points?

1920
05:27:28,470 --> 05:27:29,370
Atty. Sheila C. Sison: Nothing more, Your Honor.

1921
05:27:31,060 --> 05:27:45,880
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: There be no other points to be taken up. And again, Chair reiterates that it will make its ruling tomorrow with respect to the point raised by counsel-respondent and we will hear Attorney Ligutan as well tomorrow, I believe. Hopefully, we'll have enough time.

1922
05:27:47,540 --> 05:27:49,240
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: There be no other matters to be taken up.

1923
05:27:51,020 --> 05:28:05,860
Sen. Francis "Chiz" G. Escudero: Court is here. Before the court adjourn, session will be called at 4pm according to our Senate President for the information of the Senators and the Senator-Judges. The trial is adjourned and we'll see you tomorrow at 10am.