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House Committee on Appropriations · August 25, 2026

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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For budget deliberation of the Commission on Audit,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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I request the budget briefing hearing of COA is resumed and the hearing is called to order.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Comsec, please acknowledge the members and resource persons present today.

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Committee Secretary

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Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, Your Honors.

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May we acknowledge the members present today.

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We have Vice Chair John Tracy Cagas,

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Deputy Minority Leader Percival Persik Sendanya,

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Representative Franz Pumared,

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Vice Chair Monique Yasmin Maria Lagdameo,

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Representative Arturo Robes,

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Assistant Minority Leader Iris Marie de Mesa Montes,

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Deputy Majority Leader Alay Cesar,

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Representative Mauricio Dumogan.

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May we also acknowledge our guests from the Commission on Audit.

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We have Chairperson Gamaliel Cordoba,

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Commissioner Mario Lipana,

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Commissioner Douglas Michael Malilin,

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Assistant Commissioner Alexander Juliano,

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Assistant Commissioner Nilda Plano,

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Assistant Commissioner Marta Roxana Zese

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Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan,

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Assistant Commissioner Roy Ursal,

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Assistant Commissioner Joel Estolatan,

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Assistant Commissioner Lito Martin,

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Assistant Commissioner Bressilo Zabaldan,

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Assistant Commissioner Lucila Isidro,

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Commissioner Sofia Jimora,

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Assistant Commissioner Estela Mercado.

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We have also our Regional Directors of COA,

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Director Miriam Villanueva of the National Capital Region.

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From the Cordillera Administrative Region,

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Director Omar Roque,

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Director Olympia Balugay from Region 1.

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Please raise your hand when you are called.

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Please acknowledge.

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Director Frederick Barillo, Region 2.

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From Region 3, Director Yumaida Chongson.

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Region 4B, 4A, Director Dondon Marcos.

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From Region 4B, Director Hector Cortez.

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Region 5, Director Felix Basaliahe Jr.

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Region 6, Director Almer Tuante.

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From the Negros Island Region, Director Rusty Guiling.

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Region 7, Director Chona Labrague.

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Director Enriquito Bolos of Region 8.

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Director Matthew Ray Magno, Region 9.

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Director Marisol Legaspe, Region 10.

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Director Alfredo Largo, Region 11.

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Director Glenn Cambray of Region 12.

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Director Alia Arumpac Masbud of Region 13.

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Director Wilson Ibrahim Panawidan of the Bangsamoro Administrative Region in Muslim Mindanao.

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We have also guests or representatives from the Department of Budget and Management.

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Chief Budget and Management Specialist Patricia Arabella Villamin.

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And Chief Budget...

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And Chief Budget and Management Specialist Marilo Lagarde.

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We have another additional members present.

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Mr. Chair, Vice Chair, Nicanor Briones.

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That's all, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Honorable Briones, please sit beside us.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Okay, thank you.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Honorable members, distinguished colleagues, and esteemed guests,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Magandang hapon po sa ating lahat.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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We welcome our guests from the Commission on Audit, headed by our Chairperson, Gamaliel Cordoba.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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The Commission on Audit stands as a constitutional institution entrusted with a fundamental responsibility to safeguard the people's resources and ensure that public funds are collected, managed, and utilized in accordance with law.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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with accountability, transparency, economy, efficiency, and effectiveness.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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The proposed 2027 fiscal year budget of the Commission

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amounting to P16.046 billion

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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is an investment in the country's system of public accountability,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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strengthen its audit operations,

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modernize its systems and processes,

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develop the capabilities of its personnel,

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and respond more effectively to the increasing complexity of government programs, transactions,

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and public expenditures.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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With the support of Congress,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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the Commission on Audit will continue to uphold its constitutional mandate with independence,

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professionalism, and integrity.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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We will strive to make

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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public audit, not merely an exercise in detecting irregularities,

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but an instrument for improving government performance,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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preventing the wastage of public resources and strengthening public trust.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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The 16.046 billion proposed budget for fiscal year 2027 will help ensure that the Commission has the resources necessary to perform its mandate

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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effectively and to remain a steadfast partner in promoting good governance and responsible stewardship of the nation's wealth.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Maraming salamat po.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Chairperson Gamaliel Cordoba, sir, you may now proceed with your presentation.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Chairperson Cagas and to the other honorable members of the

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Appropriations Committee, magandang hapon po sa inyong lahat and thank you for giving us the chance to present our budget here in your committee and to Congress as a whole.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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I have here po, ASCOM Nilda Plaras, who is in charge of our finance office to present our budget. Thank you very much.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Commissioner Plaras, go ahead, please.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Good morning. Good afternoon, Vice Chair and members of the Committee on Appropriations.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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My COA family and my fellow public servants, may I now present first as the major accomplishment of the Commission on Audit for fiscal year 2025 and the first semester of fiscal year 2026.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Then the next part is the budget of the Commission under the fiscal year 2027 National Expenditure Program.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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So with our major accomplishments categorized into two, the financial performance and the physical performance.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For our financial performance for fiscal year 2025, COA received total allotment of 15,101,610,000 and this comprised of agency-specific budget.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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The special purpose fund, this is for the second trans-salary standardization.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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The unprogrammed appropriation, this is for our performance-based bonus for fiscal year 2023.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Then the retirement and life insurance premiums and the continuing appropriations.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Out of this total allotment, we were able to obligate 14,702,701,000.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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or obligation rate of 97.36, resulting to a balance of unobligated allotment of 398,909,000.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Out of the total obligations incurred, we dispersed 14,309,736,000, which is 97.33.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Resulting to a balance of unpaid obligations of 392,965,000.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For the first semester of fiscal year 2026, we received total allotment for the whole year of 2026, 15,773,503,000.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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And we were able to obligate 8,054,240,000 or 51.06%.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Then we were able to disburse also 7,848,598,000 or 97.45% disbursement rate.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Then we have the balance of unobligated allotment of 7,719,263,000.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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With unpaid obligations of 205,642,000.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For our physical performance under the government auditing programs, COA was able to transmit to the audited agencies the following reports.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For Fiscal Year 2025, there were 2,663 annual audit reports transmitted, 43 fraud audit reports, 10 special audit reports, and 3 performance audit reports.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For the first half of 2026, we transmitted 2,605 annual audit reports, 10 fraud audit reports, special audit reports of 4, and 3 performance audit reports.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Still under the government auditing program, COA was able to publish in our COA website annual audit reports.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For Fiscal Year 2025, a total of 2,255 annual audit reports and 295 AERs from the national government audit sector,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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533 annual audit reports from the corporate government audit sector, and 1,427 from the local government sector.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For the first half of 2027,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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we don't have yet because the deadline of the transmittal of the annual audit reports was last June 30,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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and pursuant to Section 107 of the General Provisions of the Fiscal Year General Appropriations Act,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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we are given until October 31 for the publication of the annual audit reports.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Under the government accountancy program,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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COA was able to,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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submit annual report of appropriations, allotments, obligations, and disbursements

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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to the Office of the President, House of Representatives, and the Senate,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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both for Fiscal Years 2025 and 2026.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For the annual financial reports of local government, national government, and government corporations,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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COA was able to submit to the three offices,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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reports

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for fiscal year 2025.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For 2026, our deadline of submission will be on September 30, 2026.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Still under the government accountancy program,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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COA was able to issue accounting rules and regulations.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For Fiscal Year 2025,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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there were two COA circulars,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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and for the first half of 2026,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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we have also issued two COA circulars.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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As to the number of agency users that COA trained and assisted

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on the use of COA-developed computerized systems

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for government accounting and financial management,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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for fiscal year 2025, we were able to train agency users 3,817.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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And for the first semester of fiscal year 2026,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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there were 2,148 agency users that were trained and assisted.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For the next program, the government financial adjudication program,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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for fiscal year 2025, the commission proper decided 811 cases.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For the national government audit sector, 587 cases.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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188

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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188 cases for the corporate government audit sector,

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and 571 cases for the local government audit sector.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For the first semester of fiscal year 2026,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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the commission proper was able to decide 448 cases,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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116 cases from the national government audit sector,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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42 cases from the corporate government audit sector,

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and 224 cases from the local government audit sector.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Next is our budget of the commission under the fiscal year 2027 National Expenditure Program.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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And COA was allotted a total budget of 16,046,527,000.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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And this consists of the

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agency-specific budget of 14.774 billion,

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and for the retirement and life insurance premium of 1.272 billion.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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And this agency-specific budget comprises of the personal services

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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in the total amount of 14.036 billion,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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and the maintenance and other operating expenses for 737.977 million.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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So we don't have a capital outlay for the next year.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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And then last slide is the comparative data between the NEP

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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as against the budget proposal of COA.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For the personal services,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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there is an increase of 179,185,000

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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and this is due to the increase in the

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authorized plantilla positions and inclusions of the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Fourth Tranche Salary Standardization Law.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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For the MOOE, there is a decrease of 254,420,000 and

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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this reduction pertains to the first year

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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implementation of the COA ISSP and also

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our additional funding for the citizen

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participatory audit MOOE requirements.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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And for capital outlay,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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we were not able, our proposal was not considered. So that's all for the presentation.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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Thank you.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Thank you, Commissioner Plaras. May I remind our

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distinguished colleagues that each member is given five minutes

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for questioning or interpolation excluding the response of the resource

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persons and when you hear the bell sound it means you have only 30 seconds to

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wind up with your questions as part of a long-standing and respected tradition of

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the House, to accord preferential treatment to the minority members of the House,

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and followed by the independent and majority members in an alternating manner.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Okay, the Chair

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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recognizes from the minority, the Honorable Representative Perci Cendaña, sir.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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Thank you very much mr. chair magandang hapon po magandang hapon po as the chairperson

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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ng ating COA at sa buong COA family. Good afternoon po.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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Good afternoon. At special shout out po doon sa atin pong galing pa sa region

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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to join us today. Thank you for being with us. Yung una kong tanong ay, bukod po doon sa

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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mga legit na bagyo, binabagyo ang bansa natin ng korupsyon. Ito pong nakaraang

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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taon hanggang ngayon ito po lagu yung top of mind issue when people think of

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government.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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At ito po ay korupsyon sa issue ng flood control, hot facilities at iba pang infrastructure projects.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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Sa totoo lamang po, COWA dapat yung tatampal sa kamay ng korap at magsasabi na, huy, bawal yan.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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Pero sabi ng COWA last year, dalawa lang daw ang taga-audit natin ng flood control.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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Ang ending na ibulsa ang triliyong-triliyong pisong pera ng taong bayan.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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Ang tanong po ay, natuganan na po ba natin?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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Natuganan po ba sa kasulukuyang budget yung gap na ito?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

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At sa ngayon po, ilan na po ba ang nahire from last year to this year, Mr. Chairperson?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Thank you very much, Kong Sendanya, for that question.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Tungkol po muna doon sa binanggit ninyo, doon po sa, I think you were referring to the 1st District Engineering Office of Bulacan.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Ang ginawa po namin, galing na po sa Central Office ang naging tugon po namin through the Fraud Audit Office.

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So, ang ginawa po namin ay nag-conduct na po kami ng Fraud Audit on marami na pong take-up na transaction po doon sa Bulacan.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Actually, I think we're able to have around 50 Fraud Audit, or 50 transactions.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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And ito nga po ang ginagamit na po ng ombudsman.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Una pong muna, nung wala po, nung una po ay sinabit po namin ito sa ICI.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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But noon pong natapos na po si ICI.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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We submitted everything to ombudsman.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Ito na po ang ginagamit ng ombudsman for the cases that are being tried in the preliminary investigation po sa kanila,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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and then sa Sandigan Bayan na po yung iba.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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And also, our auditors are the ones, mga naging witnesses po dito.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Tungkol naman po doon sa pag-hire, I think natugunan naman po kami ng DBM dahil humingi po kami ng tulong.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Sabi po namin, dati po kasi kulang sa Region 3.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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At saka po sa BARM, ang number of personnel, kasi po ay nabawasan po yun.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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So, nandito po si ASCOM Lord na Kabutyan para po explain po yung grinan po ng DBM sa amin, na number of personnel.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

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Salamat po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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Good afternoon po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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As early as 2020, when our OSSP po, yung plantilla possessions was approved,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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upon review,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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meron po kami nabawasan kami ng around 716 possessions.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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That's why we filed our MR with the DBM.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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And luckily po, this was favorably acted upon by the DBM last July po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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And they already granted or restored the 332 possessions po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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And basically po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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ang merami po dito, like what the Chair mentioned, yung COWA-BARM po of 141 possessions because that time,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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this was deducted to our original plantilla.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

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And COWA Region 3 of 123 and the others naman po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000241

with the other offices na very minimal po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000242

So we are very thankful po for the DBM in granting po yung MR namin.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000243

Out of 716, we were restored to 332 positions.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000244

So ilan pa po ang kailangan natin?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000245

So the balance po ng 716, less 332 po is around mga almost 400 pa po.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000246

So more than half pa yung kailangan natin from the original.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000247

Is this a cause for concern?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000248

Yes po, it's a cause for concern.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000249

Because as the agencies are adding and as present,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000250

medyo kulang na rin ang mga auditors natin in the field.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000251

And aside from yung separation, meron din po kaming data on the separation of our auditors

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000252

less than 10 years who were staying with us.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000253

During the exit interview, mas preferable po sa kanila yung higher pay

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000254

and proximity po sa residence nila and yung flexible working arrangement po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000255

So, though we are continually recruiting, meron din po kasing separation through transfer

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000256

po sa ibang government agencies and resignation.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000257

And of course, also po ngayon, they are considering to retire at the age of 60 na po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-000258

They wouldn't wait for 65 po. as soon as they reach the age of 60, they are availing the optional retirement.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000262

Mr. Chair, sa totoo lamang po,

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000263

medyo alarming itong trend na ito.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000264

Mas lalo ding alarming na kulang na kulang

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000265

pa rin pala hanggang ngayon.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000266

Ngayong 2027 po, may proposed 107 billion pesos para sa flood control under DPWH.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000267

Pagpalpak uli ang audit or kapag kulang, mabagal ang audit, repeat performance tayo sa 2025.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000268

At alam na po natin kung ano yung dahilan. Ito nga po nabanggit natin nakakulangan.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000269

on top of yung budgetary needs po natin, may plano ba ang COA na i-enhance ang capacity ng special audit teams

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000270

para maimbestigahan kung may gross and anomalous flood control projects ulit.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000271

Si Commissioner Douglas Malilin po ang magsasakit.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000272

Magandang hapon po. May mga reforma po na ginagawa po ang COA.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000273

Habang may kakulangan po ang aming budget lalo na ho sa capital outlay at may kakulangan din ho sa tao,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000274

may mga ginagawa ho kaming pamamaraan para mapabilis naman ho yung natututunan ng mga tao.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000275

Sa ngayon po, sa kabuuan ng lahat po ng regions namin, sinasalang ho namin sila sa mga mabibigat hon training courses

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000276

for data analytics po. Ito lang po ang pamamaraan ho namin ngayon dahil ang traditional ng audit ho

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000277

ay madalas alam namin na dinadaan ho sa papel. But with the present technology that we have

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000278

and with what we have in the basic technology, we have the ability to do that.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000279

At the same time po, tinitingnan niyo namin yung mga ahensya na mapabago ho namin yung sistema.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000280

Kung mamarapatin po namin ang accounting processes ho ng COA na isiniwalat ho namin sa lahat ng ahensya

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000281

ay nasa salubo ng kinatawag ho namin government accounting manual.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000282

Kung titignan ho natin itong government accounting manual, may kalumaan na ho, bago ho yung issuance noong 2015.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000283

Pero yung mga proseso ho ng COA, inaamin ho namin marami na ho kailangan palitan.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000284

Napaparami ho yung papel.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000285

Naiiba naman ho yung tawag ng teknolohiya. So binabago po namin yun.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000286

So simula proseso ho hanggang kung anuman ng teknolohiya ang pwede namin gamitin ay ginagamit po namin ngayon.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000287

Meron ho kaming iminungkahi noong nakaraang taon but because of the budget constraints,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000288

ang ginawa ho namin muna ay kung ano lang muna magagawa in terms of what technology we can use.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000289

At the same time po, meron nilabas po ang COA na resolution at circular po na geotagging.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000290

Nakita ho namin na malaking bagay ho ito sa mga infrastructure projects.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000291

We are coordinating po with DPWH so that yung geotagging requirements and our other stricter requirements po ay hindi naman po makasagabal sa kailangan ho nilang magampanan na proyekto.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000292

Dahil pag sumobra naman po ang nagiging requirements at bumagal po yung pangangailangan, binabalansi ho namin ito.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000293

Noong nakaraang taon, there was also a suggestion for pre-audit.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000294

May kaakibat na budget din po ito pero ang ginagawa namin in the middle ground.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000295

We are looking at ways and means po, para lang magkaroon ho ng continuous audit without exactly it being a pre-audit.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000296

Marami hong mga programa ngayon sa loob ng COA.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000297

Ang tinututukan namin ngayon muna po ay ang kaalaman ng mga tao to upskill them.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000298

Dahil

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000299

Kung kulang kami sa tao at madalas nawawalan, di po kami ng tao.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000300

We take a look at technology as the response po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000301

Maraming salamat po.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000302

Mr. Chair, napakabait po ng pagka-frame ng ating COA Commissioner nung sinabi niya na kulang yung kanilang capital outlay.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000303

Pero pag binilikan po natin yung budget pa, zero po ang capital outlay ng COA.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000304

Ano po ang impact nitong zero capital outlay sa pag-acquire natin ng necessary technologies para mas paigihin po ang ating trabaho sa loob ng COA?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000305

Meron po kaming, yung pamamaraan po namin ngayon po ay turuan po ng mga tauhan po namin ng tamang paggamit po ng teknolohiya.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000306

We basically have two items po that we have been doing since last year.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000307

Data analytics, at the same time po we're taking a look at enhancing po yung citizens participatory audit.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000308

So kung kulang man po ang tao, pero matatapos.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000309

At po namin ang publiko, mga NGOs, mga CSOs po, na tulungan po kami sa audit, nakakadagdag manpower din po ito.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000310

Yun nga lang po, kasama po sa hiling namin na budget po for this program, yung citizens participatory audit, mukhang may kakulangan din po sa larangan po nung budget for that aspect po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000311

So overall po, despite the lack of a capital outlay, we do what we can.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000312

Pero mas maganda po kung magpagbigyan po kami sa area po ng dagdag capital outlay po, dagdag opisina, dagdag teknolohiya, hardware and software po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000313

Mas maganda po ang magiging performance po ng audit dahil mag-iiba po ang landscape of how we audit.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000314

Hindi na po yung papel po ang inahanap po namin.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000315

Ang nangyayari po is magiging mas analytic po ang mga auditors po natin.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000316

Maraming salamat po.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000317

Again po, nakababahala itong zero capital outlay para sa COA, lalo na sa panahon kailangan-kailangan natin i-bolster yung capacity ng ahensya, lalo na pagdating sa software at hardware.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000318

The only way for us to be more efficient is with efficient use of technology at hindi po yan hinuhugot sa hangin, kailangan po ang capital outlay.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000319

And we hope that the committee will really work with COA in restoring the capital outlay proposal of COA, lalo na po sa panahon ito na matinding korupsyon.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000320

Nabagid nyo po kanina.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000321

Mayroong pre-audit systems. Ano po ba ang kailangan nating budgetary support para po sa staffing, training at implementation ng ating pre-audit system?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000322

Mr. Chair, meron po kaming, ito po yung tinake up na rin po natin last year based on the question of Congressman Romeo Momo.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000323

We have computation kasama po ang salaries, etc.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000324

Lahat po ng kailangan.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000325

We will have 146 additional pre-audit teams composed of various audit technical and administrative positions.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000326

We can submit it po to the committee.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000327

Lahat-lahat na po ito, more or less around 2.5 billion po ito.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000328

Pero sa tingin po namin, sulit po ito dahil bigyan ko po kayong statistics just for this year, your honors, sa DPWH lang po ang na-issue po na notice,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000329

ang notice of suspension na na-issue ng ating mga auditors sa DPWH is already 107.771 billion.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000330

At ang notice of disallowance na na-issue po is 51.27 billion.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000331

Of course, iba-iba na po ang stages ito ngayon dahil may appeal, etc.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000332

But the total amount that was issued for DPWH only for this year is already 158 billion pesos.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000333

Can you imagine po?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000334

Ang magagagawa natin kung madadagdagan po ng 148 pre-audit teams.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000335

Tama ba? 148 pre-audit teams ang ating Commission on Audit.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000336

Napakalaking bagay po. Dito pa lang po sa existing natin ngayon, we already were able to do actions on 158 billion pesos.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000337

Thank you.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000338

Marami pong salamat and we support you on this call.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000339

Lalo na po, napakahalaga ng pre-audit teams.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000340

Kayo po talaga ang frontliners at first line of defense against corruption.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000341

Kaya nga po, hindi ko maintindihan na while the government is saying na ang priority ay anti-corruption,

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000342

hindi po ba dapat binibigay natin ng dagdag na sandata, dagdag na resources at investment ang COA.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000343

Kaya po, medyo I still find it quite difficult to believe na zero ang nilagay sa ating capital outlay

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000344

at ngayon ay bitin-bitin pa rin tayo padating po sa mga needs natin in terms of personnel.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000345

Let me just go back to the issue of flood control.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000346

Meron po ba tayong audit reforms na in-implement para pigilan ang license, renting schemes at contractor monopolies?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000347

Para sagutin ko po yung tanong po ninyo.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000348

Nung nagsimula po nagkaroon ng kontrobersiya po ang PICAB,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000349

ang mga auditors po namin in the auditing PICAB po ay tumutok na po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000350

Ang unahong tinignan nila dahil dito po nang gagaling ang...

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000351

Yung malaking parte ng problema po ng PICAB ay ang qualifications po at yung conflict of...

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000352

possible conflict of interest.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000353

Dito po unang nagkaroon ng problema.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000354

But more so po, ang tinignan po namin ay ang kadikit po niyang mga sistema po sa loob ng DPWH.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000355

Dahil po, inaayos na rin po ng DPWH yung mga sistema nila.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000356

We are coordinating po with them.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000357

So we're taking a look at all their data po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000358

So that moving forward...

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000359

Nakikita po natin, magkakaroon na po tayo ng idea kung sino ho yung mga contractor na medyo malalaki ho yung proyekto.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000360

Sino yung nakakakuha sa bawat area.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000361

So ang nangyayari po dito is we can do reverse engineering po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000362

Kung ano ho yung nakikita natin nakakakuha po ng kontrata o sumasali po sa bidding,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000363

nakikita po natin we tie it back po sa PICAB data.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000364

Nung una po, pag ina-audit namin ng PICAB, it is more of a...

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000365

But because of what happened po, pinapasok namin ho yung ibang modes of audit namin.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000366

Compliance, performance audit, at meron pang iba pa.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000367

Kaya ang pinapalakas po namin yung areas of weaknesses, lalo na po at this point in time where we saw the deficiencies po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000368

At naging red flag po sa COA at pinalakas din po namin yung sa side po namin ng COA kung ano po dapat namin gawin.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000369

Salamat po.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000370

Maraming salamat.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000371

Mr. Chair, may the committee kindly direct the Commission on Audit to submit a progress report on these efforts pertaining to license renting and contractor monopolies.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000372

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000373

And for my last set of questions, simple lamang po.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000374

Napakahalaga po talaga ng AAR, no po?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000375

At nabanggit po ninyo na ang deadline ng annual audit reports ay September 2026.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000376

September na po next week, no?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000377

May we ask the COA kung ilang percent na po ng mga agencies ang nakapag-submit ng kanilang AARs for 2025 at ilan pa po ang hinihintayin natin?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000378

Natanong ko po ito kasi inaabangan po talaga namin sa inyong website yung publication ng mga AARs.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000379

For

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000380

the annual audit reports, the deadline of the transmittal to the audited agency was June 30.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000381

Then we have 60 days from the...

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000382

Transmittal for requiring the audited agency to submit the actions taken on the audit observations and recommendations.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000383

Then these actions taken by the management will be appended to the annual audit report to be published in the COA website.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000384

So we are given until October 31 to publish the annual audit reports.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000385

Ibig sabihin po, nakasabing na po ang lahat ng mga ahensya o ilang percent na po ang nakasabing?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000386

No, transmitted to the audited agencies.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000387

To the audited agencies. Okay. Sige po. Marami pong salamat.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000388

Siguro po as a last point, we say that anti-corruption is a priority of the government and yet we do not see this in the allocation that was given to COA.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000389

Kung sinasabi po natin na ang budget ang pinakakongkreta expression of the priorities of government,

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000390

then it seems like...

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000391

Based on this budget, particularly yung nakababahalang zero capital outlay sa panahon na kailangan-kailangan natin ng teknolihiya ay hindi binigay sa COA.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000392

So again, we question if truly anti-corruption is the priority if it's not reflective of yung investments na niligay sa napakahalagang ahensya ng ito.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000393

Muli po kayo ang ating frontliners at first time defense against corruption at sana mabigyan kayo ng sapat na support ng gobyerno.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña

asr-000394

Mabuhay po kayo. Salamat po, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000395

Thank you, Representative Cendaña.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000396

We now call from the majority, Representative Mauricio Domogan, sir.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000397

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000398

Good afternoon, the COA family, leaded by our chairperson, Apo Cordoba.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000399

I was the one who brought last year.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000400

Siguro walang nanakaw kung hindi natin inalis yung pre-audit.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000401

Umuon naman kayo last year to that effect.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000402

Yung problema lang, sabi ninyo, kulang yung manpower.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000403

Relative to the question of Congressman Zindania,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000404

bakit hindi natin binigyan ng priority?

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000405

Yung increase sa personal...

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000406

services.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000407

So that we hire additional auditors that will be conducting pre-audit.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000408

Actually, I filed already a bill pursuant to what we had discussed last year.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000409

Making pre-audit coupled with geo-mapping

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000410

as mandatory requisite of

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000411

payment of government projects.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000412

Kasi kung ginawa natin ito,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000413

imposible na may ghost project na nababayaran.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000414

As we all know, post-audit usually concentrate on the record submitted.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000415

Di masyado tinitingnan yung project. O, nakakalusot na.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000416

So I hope that COA,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000417

should support this bill.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000418

And my question now is,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000419

do we have an amount that we need

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000420

to augment yung inyong budget

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000421

for 2027

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000422

in order to hire the necessary personnels

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000423

to perform pre-audit

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000424

coupled with

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000426

geo-mapping?

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000427

Maraming salamat po, Apo.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000428

First of all po,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000429

we manifest our support for your pending bill.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000430

Kung kailangan po kaming mag-attend

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000431

or maging resource person po sa inyong pending bill,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000432

we are ready to help po doon.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000433

Secondly po, tungkol po dun sa amount that you mentioned,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000434

we already submitted na rin po ito.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000435

Last year, but we will resubmit it again.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000436

At meron na po kami.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000437

Tulad po ng nabanggit ko kanina,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000438

we would need additional 146 pre-audit teams

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000439

composed of several personnel per team.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000440

And nandito na po yung whole amount.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000441

Our estimate is around 2.2 billion po for pre-audit.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000442

But 2.2 billion pesos.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000443

But actually po, as I have mentioned earlier,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000444

napaka maliit po ito

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000445

kumpara po sa magiging action.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000446

If we have this, kapalis po nang sinabi ko kanina,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000447

even without this,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000448

ang na-issue po na NS,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000449

or Notice of Suspension ng aming DPWH team,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000450

ay 107 billion na po agad.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000451

So kung titigan niyo po,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000452

yung butal pa lang po noon ay katapat na po nito.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000453

And then meron pa pong NDNCs

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000454

na na-issue na 51 of total of 158 billion.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000455

Doon pa lang po sa butal ay ito pong gastos na to.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000456

So sa 2.1 ay kuwang-kuwa na po, Your Honors.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000457

Salamat po.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000459

Chairman, thank you.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000460

Presiding Officer.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000461

I am sure not only me,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000462

but my colleagues will support

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000463

the motion later on in the floor.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000464

Nadagdagan yung inyong budget to comply with this one.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000465

If we are really serious to fight

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000466

corruption,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000467

pinapakinggan ko yung presentation ninyo eh,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000468

may additional personnel.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000469

Ngunit,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000470

hindi nakatutok sa talagang requirement.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000471

Parang ito nga,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000472

mapigil itong ano.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000473

Imagine,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000474

aabot ng halos billion-billions yung nawala.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000475

Kasi,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000476

if you look at what happened,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000477

pre-audit was being done.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000478

It was only removed in 2011.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000479

That was,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000480

what happened.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000481

And eh,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000482

yung talagang ghost projects na nababayaran,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000483

yun na nangyari.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000484

See,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000485

I remember the rehabilitation of Baguio

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000486

from the ruins of the killer quick.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000487

And I am happy that we have some

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000488

graduates of Baguio here with the commission.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000489

A lot of you.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000490

A lot of you, even the one who testified in the impeachment is from Erisan Bagusitian, graduate of St. Louis University.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000491

Eh, siyong ko siguro may balik natin yan, malaking bagay sa ating gobyerno if again we are serious of addressing this issue of corruption.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000492

Eh, hindi siguro lulusot yung ano. Kasi kung may pre-audit coupled with geo-tagging or mapping, talagang maliwanag na nandyan na yung project.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000493

Eh, hindi yung ghost projects pagkatapos full payment. Ano naman yan?

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000494

Eh, yung talagang maliwanag na nangyayari, pinapayagan natin yung magnanakaw na.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000495

Magnanakaw ka muna bago namin kayo kabulin. Asan tayo ngayon? Mahabol mo pa ng nasa Amerika.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000496

Hindi pa natin alam kung asan siya at this point in time.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000497

So, thank you for your manifestation to support this one.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000498

Eh, well, I was about to ask, alright, the result of your audit na pinakita ninyo, ilan yan yung na-issue ng AOM at Notice of Order?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000500

Yun pong sa nangyayari po dun sa DPWH sa Bulacan, we're able to have fraud audit po sa 50 projects. Lahat po yun ay na-issuean po namin.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000501

Yeah, but for this year, 2026.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000502

Ah, okay. Ito po. Ang na-issuean po namin ng NS na po, Notice of Suspension of Payment is 107 billion. Sa DPWH pa lang po ito.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000503

Sa ND, or Notice of Charge po, tsaka Notice of Disallowance, nasa 50.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000504

51 billion po. For a total of 158 billion.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000505

Na yun mga naman, nabayaran na.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000506

Ah, yun po, nabayaran na po.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000507

Ayun na, yung problema.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000509

Kung siguro pre-audit, hindi nabayaran yan.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000511

Tingnan mo yan, billions pa.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000513

That's why, talagang kailangan na kailangan ito.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000514

Ah, meron lang po idadagdag, ah, ah po.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000515

Yes, ah.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000516

Yun pong binanggit nyo kanina, na pre-audit with geo-tagging.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000517

Nakalaking bagay po nung word na geo-tagging.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000518

Dahil dito po sa fraud audit namin, medyo napapansin po namin,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000519

nahirapan po kaming hanapin yun mismo pong project.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000520

We don't know if it's really ghost or not.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000521

Because iba-iba po yung coordinates.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000522

Correct.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000523

Yung po ang aming, kaya po nahirapan din po ang aming auditor na maghanap.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000524

Itinuturo-turo lang po sila.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000525

But yung po ang coordinates, nagbabago po kasi.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000526

Yeah.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000528

So, importante din yung geo-tagging.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000529

Yep, Mr. Chairman, thank you very much.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000530

Unfortunately, mag-expire na yung aking time.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000531

May second round pa naman.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000532

Thank you, ah, COA family.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000533

Ah, thank you, Representative Mauricio Dumogan, sir.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000534

May we proceed with the minority.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000535

Representative Iris Montes, ma'am.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000536

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000537

Magandang hapon po sa COA, sa ating lahat.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000538

Ah, let me begin by saying that alam naman po nating lahat

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000539

kung ano ang role namin.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000540

Ah, napakahalaga ng role na ginagampanan ng COA,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000541

especially during these times,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000542

na talamak po talaga yung mga issues sa korupsyon.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000543

I cannot overemphasize your role, ano po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000544

And then, dito din po sa Kongreso,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000545

meron din po kaming oversight functions that we really have to do.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000546

And bahagi po ng oversight function na yan,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000547

ay, ah, nakaasa po kami sa COA

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000548

pagdating sa mga AAR, sa annual audit reports.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000549

Because, um, I have been in, ah, before being a,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000550

Congresswoman, I've been in Congress for the last three decades.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000551

And I would always rely on the audit reports of COA

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000552

to be able to frame questions

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000553

so that my principal would be able to write,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000554

to ask the right questions, ano.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000555

So, um, itatanong ko po tungkol po,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000556

can you walk us through very briefly

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000557

paano po ginagawa ang AARs?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000558

Um, halimbawa po for 2026, itong 2026,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000559

can you explain to us very briefly how to go about it?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000560

Magandang

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000561

hapon po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000562

Um, mamaya po, ah, if you could, ah, give the floor po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000563

to Assistant Commissioner Cese.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000564

But, ah, I would like to give you po an overview

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000565

of, ah, the annual audit report.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000566

Yung annual audit report po ay katumbas po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000567

ng audited financial statements po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000568

ng mga private companies.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000569

Ang may, ah, nakabase po sa aming batas,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000570

ah, Presidential Decree 1445,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000571

ah, we require,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000572

all the auditees po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000573

to, ah, submit their trial balances

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000574

or their, um, their initial balance sheet

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000575

and income statement on February 14

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000576

of the following year.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000577

Kaya po kung 2025 po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000578

they are required to meet the deadline

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000579

until February 14 of 2026.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000580

Pagkasubmit po nila ng mga trial balances po nila,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000581

um

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000582

ang pinakasimula po ng proseso

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000583

ng pag-audit po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000584

nagsisimula pa nga ho yan ng

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000585

bago 2026.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000586

Meron ho kami mga prosesong tinatawag na

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000587

yung mga audit sector po namin,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000588

nag-i-issue po ng mga general audit instructions,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000589

part ho yan ng planning phase.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000590

Then, susunod ho yan, bababa pa yan,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000591

at magkakaroon po ng tinatawag namin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000592

specific audit instructions, pababa.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000593

But the actual work begins po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000594

when we start scrutinizing,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000595

the paperwork is when they start submitting

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000596

their trial balances.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000597

So February 14.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000598

Magkakaroon po kami ng mga tinatawag naming

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000599

entrance conferences.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000600

So this is the time that

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000601

we start discussing po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000602

with the auditee,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000603

yung dating mga findings po ng COA

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000604

Kung ano po ang mga naresolva,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000605

kung ano po yung bitin,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000606

at kailangan po hong gawin.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000607

So aside from the financials,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000608

we also take a look at the audit findings

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000609

of the previous year and its resolution.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000610

Then moving forward po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000611

yung mga audit teams that are assigned,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000612

assuming po ito ay singular entity,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000613

wala po siyang sabihin nating regional office,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000614

so we only have one audit team

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000615

to take a look at this,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000616

and they are given po a deadline

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000617

so that by June 30 po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000618

tapos na po yung kanilang annual audit report.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000619

Ito po ay isang overview.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000620

But for certain agencies po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000621

that are multi-office,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000622

tulad ho ng may mga regional offices,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000623

tulad ho ng Department of Education,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000624

na maraming ho silang district schools,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000625

maraming din ho silang regional offices,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000626

So meron ng proseso

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000627

sa ibang areas po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000628

na we start auditing from the ground,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000629

may mga auditors po kami sa iba-ibang region,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000630

they submit their audit reports,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000631

to the central auditing team,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000632

and the central auditing team po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000633

will consolidate these reports.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000634

So we have what we call

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000635

the consolidated annual audit reports.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000636

So kung malaki ho yung ahensya,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000637

baka magtaka po kayo,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000638

kakaiba ang tawag ho namin ka-R,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000639

dahil ho consolidated.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000640

Yung mga ibang ahensya ho na singular entity,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000641

AR lang po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000642

But they're all the same po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000643

So come June 30 po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000644

ito po ay natapos na po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000645

nakausap na po yung ahensya.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000646

Then comes the reglamentary periods

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000647

that we observe,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000648

yung tinatawag ho ni

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000649

Assistant Commissioner Nilda po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000650

na may 60 days.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000651

Then, eventually po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000652

based on the General Appropriations Act,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000653

that's the deadline we are given

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000654

to publish po sa COA report.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000655

Although po, yung publication po namin kakaiba,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000656

sa aming website,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000657

may ibang kakaibang deadline naman po kami sa Kongreso.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000658

Dahil po, nauuna rin po kayong nakakatanggap

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000659

ng mga audit reports na kinakailangan ho sa budget,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000660

kakaiba naman po yung nilalagay ho namin sa website.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000661

Magkapareho yung report.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000662

Iba lang po yung panahon

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000663

ng aming pagpo-post po sa website.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000664

In other words,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000665

what is the turn-around time?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000666

For instance, yung fiscal year 2024,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000667

kailan po dapat nailabas yung Consolidated Audit Report?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000668

Kung fiscal year 2024 po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000669

ito po ay lalabas ng June of 2025,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000670

that is the deadline.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000671

Then, mapapublish po ito,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000672

base dun po sa requirements po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000673

or instructions po ng GAA.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000674

Which is?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000675

That time po, it was December 31,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000676

of 2025.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000677

Pinaaga lang po ngayong 2026 po yung requirement po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000678

So, what is the latest AAR meron po kayo ngayon?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000679

Nasa report po ninyo 2025 is already available?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000680

Nasaan po yung 2025?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000681

Nasa website because 10 minutes ago,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000682

I checked the website, wala pa po doon.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000683

Nasaan po siya?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000684

Ang deadline po ngayong taon po ay October 31, 2025

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000685

for publication po sa website.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000686

Pero transmitted na po sa mga ahensya

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000687

ng June 30 po yung kopya po nila.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000688

So 2024 pa lang dapat talaga ang available by now?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000689

Yes po. Tama po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000690

So, is there a way we can fast track it?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000691

Ano po mag mga delays ang pwede nating ma-address

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000692

or mga challenges so that we can advance it a little bit

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000693

para pagdating dito sa Kongreso medyo updated po

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000694

yung fiscal year na ating pinagbabase?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000695

If I could turn over the floor po sa isa sa mga assistant commissioners po namin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000696

to give you an insight po as to what are the usual concerns

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000697

and what causes the bottlenecks po for the publication.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000698

Thank you po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000699

Hello. Good afternoon po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000700

Based on that overview po and looking at the legal deadlines po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000701

actually we are on time naman po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000702

In fact, if there are certain challenges po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000703

like for example, an auditee is not able to submit the financial statements

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000704

kasi dapat po all or nothing.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000705

So that's when we accept na kompleto yung financial statements.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000706

Kahit ganun pa man po yung situation,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000707

we still come up with an audit report minus the FS.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000708

It will follow po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000709

So management letter po yun.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000710

In short po, namimit naman po namin lahat yung deadlines for the output.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000711

Henceforth po, this year and even last year, June 30,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000712

well delivered po lahat yung aming annual audit reports,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000713

consolidated annual audit reports,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000714

even the management letters po for the foreign assisted projects.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000715

Kasi may mga reports po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000716

That started last year.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000717

Lahat po na-deliver namin.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000718

I think yung issue lang po would be kung kailan po ipapublish

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000719

that will be for the public consumption po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000720

Pero again, we were also able to deliver din po sa mga oversight bodies

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000721

yung mga reports po right after the June 30 deadline po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000722

And other than that din po, meron din po yung submissions namin sa mga committees,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000723

sa House of Representatives, sa Senate po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000724

Those who require the reports for their studies,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000725

for these budget hearings po, meron po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000726

It's just that of course we have protocols to follow po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000727

Like there are certain watermarks, ganun po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000728

Kailan niyo po na-submit yung para sa Congress?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000729

If I may ask, please.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000730

I'm not sure of the actual dates po for the national government audit sector,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000731

but I'm pretty sure na-submit na po lahat sa oversight bodies po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000732

Kung merong last lang na na-release, it would be yung isang agency po namin

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000733

kasi ang dami pa hong ginawa sa aming KR, which is the DPWH po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000734

But we also gave advance copies po dun sa DPWH na Consolidated Annual Audit Report.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-000735

Yun lang naman po for the national government sector po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000736

Maraming salamat po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000737

Maraming salamat po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000738

Yung nabanggit din po kanina ng ating kasamahan si Kong Dumogan kanina,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000739

yung tungkol sa pre-audit.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000740

So ang tatanong ko po, are you not doing it?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000741

At present po, hindi po kaya kasi your honors.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000742

Kaya nga po ang nangyari po sa amin, naghahabol na lang po kami sa fraud audit.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-000743

Kasi po ano eh, kukulang po talaga kami ng personnel to do it po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000744

I understand po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000745

Pero if it was already a recurring concern, if it's already a recurring concern,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000746

I understand, we don't even have to wait for a bill for you to be able to do that.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000747

In fact, COA has already the constitutional and statutory authority to conduct pre-audits and implement the pre-audit on its own.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000748

So I also share yung sentiment ni Kong.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000749

I also share yung sentiment ni Kong Percy kanina na kung corruption nga ay ating priority that it should have been reflected in the budget of mismo po ng COA

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000750

who's supposed to do the audits and flag down wrongdoings, discrepancies, o kung anuman pong anomalya.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000751

So ang next ko pong tanong, doon po sa mga sinubmit, are you, do you, meron po ba kayong mechanism pag nagsasubmit?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000752

Doon po sa mga sinubmit, meron po kayong mechanism pag nagsasubmit po kayo ng budget sa DBM?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000753

Na ito, ang pinaka-marganda... Binibigyan ba kayo ng pagkakataong magpaliwatin?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000754

magpaliwanag.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000755

Because what I

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000756

can do

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000757

on my own is for

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000758

at the proper time sa floor deliberation

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000759

ng DBM, I will also have to

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000760

ask them, bakit

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000761

hindi nabigyan ng karampatang

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000762

budget kung talagang ipinaglaban

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000763

at mahalaga po

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000764

para sa inyo yung hinihingi ninyong

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000765

pondo. Hindi lamang po, while it

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000766

is true that 92%, almost

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000767

92% of your budget is

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000768

already dedicated for PS,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000769

at kulang pa po yun,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000770

pwede naman po natin ipaglaban

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000771

kung talagang, diba,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000772

kailangan po natin ipaglalaban

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000773

po natin iyon para magawa

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000774

po ng COA

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000775

ang tungkulin po ninyo.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000776

Ano po?

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000777

Can I just manifest

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000778

just little question?

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000779

Importante yung filing of bill kasi

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000780

nakalagay dyan, mandatory

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000781

requisite of payment

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000782

of government

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000783

infrastructure projects.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000784

Yes, they can do the pre-audit

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000785

but kung binabayaran na

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-000786

walang pre-audit, wala rin.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000787

Walang ngipin. That's the importance

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000788

of the same bill.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000789

Yes, Mr. Chair, I do understand

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000790

that, but even without that

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000791

they can actually already do it

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000792

on its own because it is already the

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000793

statutory mandate to do so.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000794

That bill would improve

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000795

all the more yung inyong

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000796

pong kapasidad to be able

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000797

to do that.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000798

Pertaining to our

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000799

proposal for

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000800

budget,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000801

the process that we observe,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000802

the Department

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000803

of Budget Management

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000804

provide us the budget

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000805

ceiling, but

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000806

only for the MOE

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000807

and capital outlay. For

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000808

the personal services, they're the one.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000809

We are not the one proposing.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000810

So, what we did

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000811

after

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000812

receiving the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000813

budget ceiling, we proposed

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000814

that we call this Tier 2

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000815

our proposal.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000816

But upon the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000817

issuance of the NEP,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000818

yun nakikita namin na the following

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000819

items were not considered.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000820

So, yun po ang processes na

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000821

ginagawa namin.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000822

Although we submitted naman

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000823

justifications.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000824

Kuling

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000825

katanungan na lamang po,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000826

maari po bang maliwanagan

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000827

ako itong

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000828

component ng COA ISSP.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000829

Parang computerization, digitalization

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000830

po yata ito.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000831

Does it also include halimbawa

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000832

yung mga procurement of modern

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000833

or napapanahong mga

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000834

pamamaraan ng

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000835

pag-iimbestigan ninyo para mas

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000836

mapadali ang trabaho, mas maging accurate,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000837

mas maging efficient?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000838

Kasama po ba yun dito? Can you please

Source

Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000839

give me lang

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000840

a little, very briefly

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000841

kung ano po itong programa ninyo,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000842

itong hindi na-aprubahan ng

Source

Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000843

DBM?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000844

Doon po sa MOE, it pertains to the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000845

semi-expendable information

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000846

communication technology,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000847

office productivity and ICT

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000848

projects. Then,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000849

doon naman sa capital outlay,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000850

yung sa ISSP is

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000851

the ICT equipment and software.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000852

So, yun po ang

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000853

pertaining to ISSP.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000854

Part lang po yun sa MOE.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000855

The other

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000856

part of the MOE is the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000857

MOE requirements

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000858

for the citizen

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000859

participatory audit.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000860

Mr. Chair, yung citizen

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000861

participatory audit, because I already

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000862

raised that sa COA during the last

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000863

budget hearing, during your budget

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000864

deliberation. Can you

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000865

tell us exactly kung ano po yan?

Source

Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000866

Anong mekanismo niyan?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000867

Ako na po sasagot.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000868

Ang citizens

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000869

participatory audit ay isang

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000870

programa na nilunsad po ng COA

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000871

na nakakasama po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000872

namin ng mga ilang miyembro po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000873

ng mga NGO, mga CSO.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000874

Practically po, mga private

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000875

citizens.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000876

They help us in auditing.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000877

So, meron pong

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000878

kaakibat pong budget po to.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000879

Dahil hindi naman po namin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000880

sila basta-basta hinihikayat

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000881

at sila ho gumagastos.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000882

May mga gastusin po na

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000883

COA po ang

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000884

nag-shoulder.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000885

Nung nakaraang

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000886

taon po, we had

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000887

this program, but

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000888

on a very

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000889

small level, dahil

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000890

yung budget na naibigay po ay

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000891

medyo kulang din po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000892

I think for this year din po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000893

may kakulangan din po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000894

So, we're trying to fit in po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000895

whatever we can and whatever is

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000896

afforded us. And that's what

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000897

we fit into this program.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000898

Kung may mga privado pong

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000899

mga ibang sektor na

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000900

willing naman pong gumastos

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000901

na hindi magagamit po

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000902

yung budget, wala naman pong

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000903

problema. Pero pag ang COA

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000904

po ang gagastos po at

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000905

hindi naman po kami rin pwedeng

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000906

lumampas po sa naibigay na budget

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000907

po sa amin. So, the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000908

extent of how

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000909

far we can actually

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000910

tap this program

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000911

also depends on the budget

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000912

po given to COA

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000913

to trigger this program po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000914

So, it becomes, it is

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000915

a big help po if this

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000916

program is expanded

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000917

simply because if

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000918

we lack manpower,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000919

we have people out there po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000920

who may not be exactly the same

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000921

profession we have, engineers or

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000922

certified public accountants.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000923

But in a way po, dahil

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000924

they are part of organizations,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000925

they can equip themselves

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000926

po and they have networks to

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-000927

assist COA po sa audit. Maraming salamat po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000928

Maraming salamat po. Mr. Chair,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000929

maraming salamat po. My time is up.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000930

So, okay na po ako.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-000931

Maraming salamat.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000932

Thank you, Representative

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000933

Iris Montes, ma'am.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000934

We proceed with the majority.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000935

Representative

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-000936

Tony Roman, sir.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000937

Magandang hapon po sa inyo.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000938

Konting katanungan lang.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000939

Sorry po for being late. So, some of my

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000940

questions may have been answered already.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000941

To the extent they have been answered, just summarize it lang.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000942

It's really

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000943

more understanding the processes within

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000944

COA.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000945

ano?

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000946

Starting and it's really helpful to have

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000947

a historical perspective of the budget

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000948

proposals. Ito hong

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000949

sa chart nyo,

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000950

yung budget proposal nyo,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000951

is 17 million, 17.2

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000952

million, tama po ba?

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000953

Billion, in thousand,

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000954

billion, sorry.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000955

17.2 billion, is that correct?

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000956

How does this, sorry.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000957

Yes, sir.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000958

How does this compare to last year's

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000959

proposal in

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000960

2026?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000961

For the

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000962

GA,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000963

fiscal year 2026,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000964

we have the total

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000965

allotment of

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000966

15

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000967

billion, 610

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000968

million, 903,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000969

as against for

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000970

the 2027

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000971

of 16 billion, 46

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000972

million,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000973

527.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000974

Okay. So, tumaas po yung

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000975

net nyo for this year?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000976

Yes, because of our

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000977

P.E.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000978

Yes, the fourth branch of the

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000979

salary standardization, and

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000980

yung tungkol doon sa

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000981

MR was

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000982

partially granted,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000983

so mayroong component,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000984

sa P.S. lang po siya,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000985

ang may increase. The MOE,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000986

mayroong reduction, and then

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000987

the capital outlay, it was not considered.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000988

Okay. So,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000989

parang scheduled yung increase

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000990

na yun, no? Dahil sa salary

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000991

standardization. Ang tanong ko po,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000992

actually, ang tanong ko po, yung

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000993

magkano po yung budget proposal nyo for

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000994

2026? O, last year po,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000995

last year.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000996

16 billion,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-000997

990 million, 664.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000998

O, so out of

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-000999

the 16 billion, 16.9

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001000

billion, i-round off ko na lang po,

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001001

ang nag-grant po, ay

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001002

15.6

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001003

billion. This year,

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001004

17 billion,

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001005

rata na grant, eh, 16

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001006

16 billion, no?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001007

Yes.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001008

Rounded off. So, parang these are like

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001009

modest

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001010

increases

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001011

in the budget proposal, and

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001012

modest increases in the

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001013

NEP. And I, medyo

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001014

nabuta ko po yung parte na

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001015

binabanggit na

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001016

meron kayo mga gustong ilunsad

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001017

ng mga programa na hindi yung may ilunsad.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001018

In particular,

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001019

yun sa capital outlay, and

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001020

using technology to help you perform

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001021

your work, na hindi po nagawa

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001022

yun.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001023

Yung expansion,

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001024

hindi po kayo makapagdagdag ng tao, tama po ba?

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001025

Hindi.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001026

Actually, meron pong nadagdag, but

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001027

it was based on the

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001028

personnel na binilig po

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001029

ng DBM sa amin,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001030

which is around 300.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001031

So, it's already part of the budget na po.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001032

Okay. And then, kung hindi nyo

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001033

mapaparami yung mga tao,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001034

ang iniisip nyo, technology na lang

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001035

gagamitin. Pero dito,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001036

hindi po kayo napagbigyan.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001037

No capital outlay.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001038

No capital outlay. Ano yung dahilan na binigay?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001039

So, wala.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001040

Hindi kayo nagtanong?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001041

Upon receipt na lang,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001042

we learned it upon the

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001043

issuance of the NEP.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001044

Naluha ko ba kayo?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001045

Nung nakuha nyo yun?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001046

Upo.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001047

Kung ako yun, maluluha ako eh.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001048

So, kung

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001049

mabibigyan ro kayo ng pagkakataon na

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001050

nagdagdagan yung pondo ninyo,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001051

ano ko yung mga programa na

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001052

gusto nyong isulong?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001053

O kung yung mga gamit na kailangan ninyo

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001054

para masagbagampanan ninyo yung

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001055

trabaho ninyo?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001056

At,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001057

kakibat yan,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001058

magkano po yun?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001059

Three wishes lang ah. Three wishes.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001060

We prepared a

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001061

letter

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001062

requesting reconsideration

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001063

before the Speaker of the House.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001064

This is subject for the approval

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001065

of the Chair.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001066

Kung ano yung letter,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001067

yung mga nakasulot yan.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001068

Our wish list,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001069

ay yung

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001070

semi-expendable na

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001071

P213.686 million

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001072

and also

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001073

the MOE for the CPA

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001074

P40.734 million.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001075

Then, the capital

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001076

outlay, we have the

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001077

ICT equipment of

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001078

P525.405 million.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001079

The supply

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001080

and installation of furniture and

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001081

fixture for our offices

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001082

for building

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001083

2,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001084

125.523 million.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001085

And, kung po pwede,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001086

the last,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001087

the motor vehicles for our

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001088

three officials.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001089

Three lang naman po.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001090

Including the NIR.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001091

Magkano po yung mga sasakyan?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001092

5.6 million.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001093

Ilang pasa po kayo, three lang eh.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001094

Ay?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001095

Kung pipili po kayo ng tatlo,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001096

if you had to prioritize,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001097

Sige,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001098

Huli na lang yung motor vehicles.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001099

So, which would you pick of the,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001100

one, two, three, four, five.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001101

Up to the... huwag na lang mo muna yung

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001102

motor vehicles.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001103

I'm trying to see your prioritization eh,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001104

because that also reflects your need.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001105

We need the supply and installation of the furniture

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001106

so that we can, ah, move the...

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001107

Yan po yung P125.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001108

Yes, apo.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001109

Ano po yung tatlong item na pipiliin ninyo?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001110

Ah, for the MOE,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001111

MOE?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001112

Ah, 213.686 million

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001113

and, ah,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001114

P40.734 million.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001115

So, the total amount of MOE

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001116

that was not considered

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001117

then the capital outlay,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001118

the ICT,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001119

ah, of 525.405 million

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001120

and the supply and installation of furniture.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001121

So, yun na yun.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001122

Yun tatlo?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001123

Ah, okay. So, yung ICT, yung capital outlay

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001124

and the furniture. Tama po ba?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001125

Yung MOE.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001126

Okay. Yung tatlong yun. Malaking ba-a-a-a

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001127

party po nun yung capital outlay, no?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001128

yung technology. Kasi kung

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001129

hindi nyo madadagdagan at papaparaming

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001130

yung staff ninyo,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001131

gagamitin yung technology. That's a way of

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001132

expanding your presence. Tama po ba?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001133

Yes po.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001134

Now, alam ko, ang

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001135

inyong mandato ay

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001136

pumuna. Di ba?

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001137

Namumuna po kayo ng mga transaksyon.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001138

Diba? Sinisilip ninyo.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001139

That is a good characterization

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001140

para sinisimplify ko lang.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001141

Ano at

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001142

pag may napuna kayo,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001143

binibigyan nyo ang pagkakataon na ayusin.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001144

Tama.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001145

We issue an audit

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001146

observation memorandum, giving

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001147

them a chance to explain or to correct it po, Your Honors.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001148

At kapag hindi na ayos,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001149

bari mahinog yan maging admin

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001150

case o kaya criminal case, tama po ba?

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001151

Nangyari po, Your Honors,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001152

ay nagiging notice of disallowance

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001153

or notice of suspension.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001154

And then if we see po

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001155

a problem

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001156

with it sa

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001157

graft and corruption,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001158

we endorse it also to the Office of the Ombudsman.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001159

Paano nyo sinasukat yung

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001160

success nyo sa

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001161

bagay na yan? Kung inu-endorse

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001162

nyo sa Office of the Ombudsman,

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001163

ano po yung

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001164

success metric na ginagamit nyo, panukat?

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001165

Actually po, the Office of the

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001166

Ombudsman considers it, Your Honor.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001167

At ginagamit po nila ito

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001168

to file, nagkakaroon po sila

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001169

ng preliminary investigation

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001170

based on our submissions.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001171

submissions and then kapag nakita

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001172

po nila na there's a prima facie

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001173

evidence, pina-file

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001174

po nila sa Sandigan Bayan ng kaso, Your Honor.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001175

Meron po ba kayong

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001176

success rate

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001177

na manasabi sa dami na mga

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001178

in-endorse mo nyo sa Office ng Ombudsman

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001179

like X percent ang nakasuhan

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001180

or anything like that?

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001181

Hindi ko lang po hawak ang data ngayon

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001182

but mataas po ang aming batting average.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001183

Ah, okay.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001184

And then lastly, kaugnay doon sa unang tanong ko

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001185

sa kahalagahan ng technology

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001186

pagkakamitin ng technology na

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001187

naulamaan ko, unang-una yung technology

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001188

nakakabata pag ginagamit.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001189

Tama? Okay.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001190

Marami ho na ngiti sa ngiti sa likod

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001191

nakaka-relate.

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001192

Meron ho ko yung ifinal na

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001193

panukalang batas yung kadena bill

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001194

okay, na ang

Source

Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001195

actually nagbigay po ako ng sulat kanina, gusto ko

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001196

sana makuha yun yung pananaw

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001197

at kumaari inyong suporta.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001198

Ang mungkahi ko po

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001199

doon, gawing end-to-end

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001200

ah, hindi lang sa

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001201

expenditure side, pati yung

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001202

revenue side. Kasi doon

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001203

natin makikita, yung

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001204

aking analogy yung tollgate eh.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001205

Yung tollgate, kung

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001206

10,000 na dumaan sa tollgate

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001207

pero ang dideklara lang ay 8,000

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001208

sa napunta yung 2,000.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001209

So in-account natin,

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001210

8,000, actually dapat in-account 10,000.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001211

Ano? Pasahero.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001212

Where do you stand on that? Do you believe

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001213

that dapat isama yung revenue

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001214

side bukod sa expenditure side?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001215

Um, Your Honor,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001216

we agree with your proposal po na

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001217

kasama ang revenue side.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001218

Because kasama naman po sa

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001219

amin mandate to check kung

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001220

nasisingil ba or na

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001221

kukolekta ba ng government

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001222

yung mga dapat kolektahin.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001223

Kapag hindi po nagawa, yun yung tinatawag po yung

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001224

notice of charge po naman yun.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001225

Meron na ho ba kayong position paper dyan?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001226

I would have to check, Your Honor, but we will,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001227

kung wala pa po, we will submit and we will support

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001228

your bill, Your Honor.

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Rep. Antonino B. Roman III

asr-001229

Okay, marami salamat po. Thank you.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001230

We got it po. We will submit our position

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001231

paper supporting your draft

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001232

bill, Your Honor. Salamat.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001233

Thank you.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001234

I would like to

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001235

acknowledge our

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001236

committee chair on

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001237

accounts, Representative

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001238

Maricar Zamora.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001239

May I proceed with

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001240

the minority,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001241

Representative Robert

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001242

Nazal. Sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001243

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001244

Good afternoon.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001245

Commissioner, commissioners,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001246

and good afternoon to the

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001247

COA family.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001248

I'd like to begin.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001249

I want to ask about

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001250

transparency and accountability

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001251

over earmarked revenues.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001252

Government

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001253

repeatedly invokes the one fund

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001254

concept and tells us that cash

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001255

is fungible. That once

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001256

revenues enter the treasury,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001257

the cash may temporarily be used

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001258

for other government

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001259

cash requirements.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001260

I understand cash

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001261

management, but cash

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001262

being fungible does not mean

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001263

government should no longer be accountable

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001264

or transparent about

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001265

where earmarked cash is temporarily

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001266

used. So my question is,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001267

does COA actually track the

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001268

cash corresponding to earmarked fund

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001269

balances once treasury

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001270

temporarily uses that cash

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001271

elsewhere?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001272

Kung meron pong kayang sagutin ng yes

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001273

or no in the interest of time,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001274

sagutin na lang po natin ang yes or no.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001275

Magandang hapon po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001276

We are coordinating po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001277

with DBM.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001278

When the issue was raised po last year

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001279

regarding the earmarked funds,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001280

we have been monitoring the earmarked funds po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001281

In fact,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001282

we have their latest report

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001283

as of May of

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001284

2026.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001285

They have committed po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001286

DBM has committed to

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001287

include in their portal po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001288

to be more transparent as to

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001289

these types of funds.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001290

Ito po yung mga earmarked funds at yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001291

tinatawag naming SAGF

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001292

or mga special funds

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001293

subject to monitoring.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001294

Ang isang tinitingnan lang po namin,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001295

ang point of coordination po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001296

na tinitingnan namin po yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001297

detalya is

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001298

these funds,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001299

meron pong mga statutory

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001300

appropriations, ito po yung automatic.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001301

May mga funds po daw sila na

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001302

tinatawag nilang subject po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001303

to a further

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001304

GAA issuance.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001305

But more or less po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001306

COA has been tracking these funds.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001307

Ang kailangan lang po namin,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001308

point of coordination lang po sa

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001309

DBM is

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001310

despite the one fund concept,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001311

that these funds remain intact

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001312

and ang habol po namin is

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001313

it is only spent

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001314

for the purpose of

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001315

the fund.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001316

Doon po namin ito ino-audit.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001317

Ang nakita lang namin po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001318

isa sa mga concern po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001319

is there may be a fund,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001320

of a certain sum.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001321

Ang nakikita po namin concern would be

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001322

yung releases po or how

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001323

the Bureau of Treasury and the DBM

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001324

releases these funds for the use

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001325

of the agency.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001326

Pagdating naman po doon sa aspeto na yun po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001327

doon po namin tinitingnan

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001328

how the funds are used

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001329

if ever they are released.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001330

Pagdating naman po, if the funds are

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001331

maintained po by the Bureau

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001332

of Treasury and not released,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001333

then it's a concern po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001334

between, we flag it

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001335

with DBM, but eventually

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001336

po, their main

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001337

reason for the fiscal

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001338

space is

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001339

something we also

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001340

consider. But overall po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001341

we keep track and take

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001342

a look at the funds because the moment

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001343

these funds po are used for something

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001344

outside the purpose they were meant for,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001345

we come up with our

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001346

audit observations and memorandum po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001347

So, the moment

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001348

these things are released,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001349

then we keep track of them because

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001350

they can only be disbursed for this.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001351

So, sa madaling salita po,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001352

you're saying that

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001353

ever since we

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001354

pinag-usapan natin to

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001355

and binanggit nila that cash is

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001356

fungible, yung earmark

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001357

hindi nyo po pinapayagan

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001358

na gamitin elsewhere for any

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001359

other purpose other than what is

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001360

what it's earmarked for

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001361

by the law. Yes po.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001362

And if they, if ever

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001363

meron gagamitin,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001364

for any other purpose, you will flag it?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001365

Yes po. That's the reason

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001366

why we audit the specific,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001367

the moment the fund is released po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001368

to the agency, we

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001369

follow the money

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001370

trail so that it is only spent

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001371

for the purpose for which

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001372

the fund is built for. You're saying

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001373

that you're only monitoring

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001374

it once the fund is released

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001375

to the agency? Yes po.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001376

Paano po yung, for example,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001377

yung, halimbawa,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001378

yung spectrum users,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001379

let's just cite this

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001380

as an example. So, nanggagaling

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001381

po yan sa payment

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001382

ng mga

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001383

telco, no?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001384

And then, it's supposed to be

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001385

used for the purpose of

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001386

free Wi-Fi. San po siya

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001387

nakadeposito?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001388

Ito po ay kinukolekta po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001389

ng National Telecommunications Commission

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001390

but they have to deposit

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001391

this to the Bureau of Treasury.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001392

So, when it's deposited to the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001393

Bureau of Treasury, hindi nyo siya

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001394

minumonitor? The moment

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001395

pagkatanggap po ng NTC,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001396

i-audit po namin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001397

that this is recorded

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001398

in the books and eventually

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001399

transmitted po to the Bureau of Treasury.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001400

The moment the Bureau of Treasury po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001401

along with

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001402

the DBM, releases this

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001403

for the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001404

for the free Wi-Fi

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001405

purpose po, like DICT po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001406

ang implementor. Dun lang kayo po mapasok?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001407

Dun po kami papasok. Dahil po, yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001408

pondo pong yan,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001409

COA comes in for

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001410

accounting and auditing. But

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001411

how DBM or the Bureau

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001412

of Treasury manages the fund

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001413

is

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001414

an executive function. Pagdating naman po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001415

ng gastos, we make sure

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001416

na ito ay ginastos

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001417

for that purpose. So, ang sinasabi nyo po,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001418

habang hindi pa natatransfer ng Bureau

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001419

of Treasury dun sa

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001420

department, hindi nyo covered yun.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001421

So, kung gamitin nila elsewhere,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001422

yung pondo at maubos,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001423

hindi nyo monitored yun.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001424

Hindi nyo obligasyon.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001425

We keep track po of the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001426

special fund.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001427

If there are any charges or additions,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001428

that's what we audit po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001429

Now, if there

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001430

is one point in time

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001431

where the one fund concept, dahil po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001432

in terms of accounting

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001433

entries po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001434

just like with a private corporation, they can

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001435

set up a lot of funds.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001436

But they can maintain one depository account

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001437

for those funds.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001438

Now, yung totality po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001439

ng mga special funds na to, if you sum

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001440

them up, and they remain

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001441

intact as far as cash is concerned,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001442

then the presumption

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001443

of the one fund concept po, as

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001444

explained by DBM, is the fund is there.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001445

Now, if they spend

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001446

a peso

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001447

out of that, and they charge the fund,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001448

that makes the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001449

assumption po, that that fund

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001450

was the one that was disbursed

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001451

because it was the one that was

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001452

debited po, or that was

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001453

the fund was reduced to that extent.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001454

So, possibly po, accounting

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001455

entry lang yun. Pero yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001456

bondo, with the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001457

Bureau of Treasury, hindi na ganun yung amount.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001458

They explain po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001459

in that the fund,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001460

the moment it is in their

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001461

books as a credit, as long

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001462

as it does not move po, then

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001463

that remains to be

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001464

an intact fund, or the

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001465

balance of the fund po. And if

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001466

they say so, we won't

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001467

audit that. Hindi mo po natin sisiguraduhin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001468

na dapat ganun yung totoo yung sinasabi nila.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001469

Yan ito po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001470

When we take a look at

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001471

all their financial transactions

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001472

po, and they

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001473

spend, as long as they

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001474

do not charge the fund,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001475

assuming po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001476

as long as they do not charge the fund,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001477

the fund remains intact. So that

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001478

means, if an agency po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001479

requires the fund,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001480

then the fund should be made available

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001481

also to the agency po.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001482

E paano po kung, for example,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001483

katulad yung sa DICT,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001484

hinihingi po nila

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001485

yung pondo nila, pero

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001486

ang sabi ng DICT, they publicly

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001487

admitted that 12 government digital systems

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001488

had to be disabled because it could not afford

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001489

additional cloud server capacity.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001490

Kasi, yung hinihingi nila para

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001491

dun sa free wifi, hindi po

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001492

mabigay ng DBM.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001493

Tingnan po namin yun.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001494

The last time we were also

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001495

base po sa mga

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001496

annual audit reports po ng DICT,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001497

which we also monitor,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001498

the department po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001499

as far as the DICT is concerned, is

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001500

one of the few who have

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001501

very low budget utilization

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001502

rates po. Pero namamatay

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001503

na nga po yung mga nila, hindi nila

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001504

kasi hindi nila nababayarin yung subscription.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001505

Kasi hindi nabibigay yung pera

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001506

para dun sa what it was

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001507

intended for. And

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001508

pagka, paano po kung,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001509

let's say, ang ilagay nila,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001510

25 billion or 26 billion pa rin

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001511

ang laman yan. Pero,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001512

one reason or another, nagamit

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001513

natin. And the government,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001514

may downturn tayo. Hindi tayo

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001515

makautang. Hindi nila mabalik. Paano yun?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001516

We will

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001517

try to coordinate po with the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001518

Bureau of Treasury para to point out po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001519

So, ang binabantayan po namin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001520

is, if the fund is

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001521

used, and there are

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001522

movements in the account po, as a fund,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001523

dun po pumapasok

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001524

ang koa. Pagdating naman po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001525

sa decision

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001526

po ng DBM at the Bureau of Treasury

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001527

to release the fund po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001528

it's something between the agency po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001529

and

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001530

the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001531

DBM and BTR. Ang binabantayan po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001532

namin is, kung anytime

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001533

po gumalaw yung pondo,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001534

makikita rin po namin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001535

sa kabuwan, if

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001536

the BTR has so much

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001537

cash, then it

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001538

spends based on its budget

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001539

and does not book

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001540

any charges po on the fund.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001541

So, accounting wise

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001542

or audit wise po, the fund was not

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001543

used. But if

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001544

it turns out that the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001545

BTR or DBM

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001546

started using

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001547

more than its budget,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001548

then wala po yung cash.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001549

Then, lumalabas po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001550

hindi na nagsisynchronize po yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001551

trust fund, and whatever

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001552

funds it should have, koa

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001553

will also flag it did po.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001554

But no matter what po, hindi po ba

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001555

dapat, whatever movement,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001556

at hindi nila i-book,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001557

dapat minomonitor nyo.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001558

Naka-monitor po yung fund.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001559

Overall po, like

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001560

for any other agency which has special

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001561

funds, and which has general funds,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001562

this thing is seen

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001563

as a holistic

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001564

view po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001565

So, as long as the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001566

fund has not been charged,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001567

like, kung may budget po siya

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001568

sa PS, MOE, and capital

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001569

outlay, at yung narilis po yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001570

pondo na yun for those items,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001571

minomonitor po yung budget utilization

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001572

rates for those items.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001573

Makikita't makikita po, pag lumampas

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001574

po yung utilization nila against

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001575

what was budgeted, that's

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001576

the time po, it becomes a red flag

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001577

that some other fund, or

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001578

the source was from somewhere po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001579

But as long as an agency does

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001580

not exceed whatever it

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001581

was given, first as a budget,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001582

then SARO, then NCA po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001583

So, the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001584

assumption is, it was

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001585

funded. But the moment nag-disalign

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001586

po ito, it should, it would

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-001587

have come from somewhere, kaya

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001588

magiging critical ho yung review ho

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001589

ng special funds.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001590

Anyway,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001591

cash is fundable may explain how

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001592

treasury manages cash, but it should never

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001593

become an exemption from transparency

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001594

and accountability. So, dapat po,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001595

minomonitor natin, whether

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001596

i-book nila o hindi, nakikita

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001597

natin kung saan pumupunta, at saan

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001598

dinadala. Anyway, let me get,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001599

balik na lang po tayo dyan.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001600

Punta muna ako sa manufactured savings.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001601

This is where

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001602

I would like

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001603

to ask about what I call

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001604

yung tinatawag po nila na manufactured savings.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001605

Let's use DPWH

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001606

as an example. There are

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001607

projects that already have SAROs, have

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001608

undergone bidding, and passed rigorous

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001609

requirements under NBC 595.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001610

In other words,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001611

government itself already determined that these

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001612

projects were feasible for

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001613

implementation. Yes,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001614

Yet, DPWH has not issued the sub-allotment advice or SAA for some of the projects.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001615

DBM in a previous hearing also told us that NCA is not a prerequisite to issue a SAA and obligate the project.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001616

So if there is no legal, technical, or funding impediment preventing implementation,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001617

what valid reason would there be for the agency to continue withholding the SAA?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Martha Roxana C. Sese

asr-001618

Mr. Chair, may we give the floor to our DPWH Supervising Auditor and now also Director of Cluster 7.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001619

Good afternoon, sir.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001620

Sir, I think there's nothing to transfer by the Central Office.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001621

Please introduce yourself first.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001622

Yes, sir. Good afternoon.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001623

I'm Tracy Ann Sunico, sir, the OIC Director of Cluster 7, handling DPWH, DOT, DOE, and DOTR.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001624

The Central Office will be the one transferring.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001625

To the regional or district engineering offices which were funded or the programs, projects, and activities were downloaded to the Central Office.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001626

So the implementing agency could either be the regional office, the district engineering offices, or the Central Office, sir.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001627

In case of SAA, wherein the implementing office

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001628

It will either be the regional or the district engineering office.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001629

So under the GAA, it was originally identified to be implemented by the Central Office.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001630

So if there is no SARO or NCAA issued by the DBM or the Department of Finance,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001631

there is nothing to be transferred to the district or the regional office, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001632

Ang tinatanong ko po, lahat ng naisuhan ng SARO?

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001633

Yes, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001634

Na hindi naisuhan ng SAA.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001635

Yes, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001636

Bakit?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001637

Yung every project na no legal, technical, or funding impediment preventing implementation.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001638

Yes, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001639

May SARO, pero hindi inisuhan ng SAA.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001640

Ano yung dahilan?

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001641

Sir, in our audit of the DPWH, sir, I think wala naman pong ganung case, sir.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001642

Except siguro, sir, where the district or the regional office.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001643

The regional offices have not submitted the required supporting documents for the Central Office to issue the SAA, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001644

Napakadami pong project na ganun.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001645

Kaya nga po, kaya ako po tinatanong ito.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001646

Because there are so many projects na hindi na-implement.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001647

Yes, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001648

Because, simply because may SARO na siya, from DBM's point of view, na-issuehan siya ng SARO,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001649

dapat obligated na siya, pero hindi po in-implement.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001650

Opo.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001651

Ngayon, ang nangyari po dun is parang,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001652

kaya ako tinatanong ito,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001653

kasi, parang ang direction is,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001654

dapat hindi siya maging, ayaw natin, or gusto natin maiwasan,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001655

na maging manufactured savings siya.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001656

Opo.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001657

Kasi, kumbaga, na-issuehan, meron siyang SARO,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001658

hindi in-issuehan ng SAA,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001659

tapos, ika-cancel yung project,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001660

tapos, gagawin na lang savings,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001661

tapos, augmentation dapat.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001662

Or gagamitin sa augmentation.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001663

Opo.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001664

Based on the previous audit, sir,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001665

we noted that there were a lot of SAA released to the district and regional offices, sir,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001666

which were reverted back to the central office

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001667

due to non-readiness of the implementing agency, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001668

Non-readiness of the implementing agency?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001669

So, ang sinasabi nyo,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001670

ang implementing agency is DPWH?

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001671

Yes, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001672

So, ang DPWH ang hindi ready?

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001673

May mga ganong issues po kasi, sir,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001674

na hindi pa rin ready yung district or yung regional office, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001675

Can you submit a list of projects na ganun po yung nangyari?

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001676

Yes, sir. Opo.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001677

Kasi, wala po.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001678

Kasi, based po sa NBC 595,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001679

kung, alam nyo po yung circular, di ba?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001680

Yes, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001681

Ang dami po natin hiningi ng mga,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001682

what do you call this, requirements,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001683

additional requirements, aside from the GAA.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001684

Opo.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001685

So, pinirmahan na ng presidente yung GAA.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001686

Nandun po sa GAA yung line item.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001687

Yes, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001688

Humingi tayo ng additional requirements

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001689

dun sa NBC 595,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001690

sinertify, kaya na-issuehan ng SARO.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001691

So, ibig sabihin, ready na yung project to be undertaken.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001692

Pero, tapos pinirmahan pa ng presidente uli yun,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001693

sinertify uli.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001694

And yet, and yet,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001695

pagka nung na-bid na,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001696

naisuhan ng SARO, ng DBM,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001697

hindi in-implement ng DPWH.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001698

We need hold lang yung SAA.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001699

So, yun po ang tinatanong ko,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001700

bakit we need hold yung SAA?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001701

Kung ready, shovel ready yung project.

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001702

Opo.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001703

So, what is the,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001704

now, what is the

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001705

COA doing

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001706

to prevent this from happening?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001707

Yun po ang aking tanong.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001708

Yes, sir.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001709

Ang pwede po namin gawin,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001710

your honors, would be to coordinate with DPWH

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-001711

and to flag them on this item.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001712

Siyempre, yun po

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001713

yun po ang kailangan natin malaman.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001714

Because, syempre, this affects the

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001715

economic

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001716

situation of our country.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001717

Yes.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001718

If,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001719

if we've already,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001720

if Congress has already

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001721

approved the GAA,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001722

tapos, ito po ay investment natin,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001723

inuutang pa natin for economic activity,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001724

tapos, kailangan natin,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001725

dapat ma-implement natin yung infrastructure na yan,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001726

dahil inuutang natin yan eh.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001727

We'll be paying interest on that.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001728

Ngayon, it's only the department

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001729

who will determine kung ano yung

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001730

ma-implement tsaka hindi.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001731

Hindi, parang tinatanggal nyo na po yung

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001732

power of the purse

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001733

sa Congress.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001734

So, bali, wala na po yung GAA.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001735

Parang,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001736

where are you doing the budget already?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001737

Parang ganon.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001738

Yes.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001739

So, that is what we want to prevent.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001740

We agree with you, your,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001741

Honor.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001742

Last question, please,

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001743

Rep. Nazar.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001744

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001745

So, Commissioner,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001746

if an agency can withhold implementation

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001747

of an item,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001748

Congress appropriated,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001749

allow it to become unobligated,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001750

declare it a savings,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001751

and then use that money

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001752

to augment another item,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001753

aren't we effectively allowing

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001754

the executive

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001757

to rewrite the budget

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001758

after Congress has enacted the GAA.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001759

So, if that becomes

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001760

acceptable practice,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001761

congressional appropriations

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001762

become illusory

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001763

and the GAA becomes

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001764

meaningless in practice.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001765

So, sana po, meron tayong

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001766

what do you call this?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001767

Meron po tayong mechanism

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001768

to check

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001769

para hindi na po

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001770

mangyari ito.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001771

Kasi, this will affect

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001772

our economy.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001773

Pagka sila po

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001774

ang magpipigil.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001775

So, any agency

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001776

should not be able

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001777

to do that.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001778

So, dapat po

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001779

na-check natin

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001780

na pag na-issue na yung SARO,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001781

dapat in-implement na po.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001782

Can I go to

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001783

off-budget accounts?

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001784

Sige po.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001785

Second round.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001786

Balikan na lang po natin.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-001787

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001788

You can do second round, sir.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001789

Okay.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001790

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001791

But we agree

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001792

with the manifestations

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001793

and the observations

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001794

of Congressman

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001795

Nassal, your honors.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001796

Salamat.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001797

Thank you po.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001798

Thank you po, Chairman.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001799

Thank you, Representative Nazal.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001800

May we proceed

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001801

with the majority.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001802

Representative Ramil Hernandez, sir.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001803

Okay.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001804

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001805

Magandang hapon

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001806

sa ating mga

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001807

katrabaho sa COA.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001808

So, follow-up question lang po ito.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001809

Nung tinanong ko na rin

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001810

last hearing

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001811

o last year,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001812

wala naman po akong

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001813

bad experience sa COA

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001814

kahit nung nasa

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001815

local pa ako.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001816

Pagdating sa mga dokumentong

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001817

kinakailangan,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001818

napoprovide at nailalabas po

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001819

natin ng maayos.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001820

Pero,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001821

aware din po ako

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001822

na isang tambak

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001823

ang inyong file,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001824

isang tambak

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001825

ang inyong mga dokumento.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001826

At nabanggit ko nung last year

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001827

na dapat

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001828

ay binabudgetan yan

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001829

pagdating po sa

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001830

upgrading

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001831

o pagbabago

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001832

ng technology.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001833

Ang tanong ko po,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001834

this year po ba,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001835

meron kayong budget

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001836

na inilagay dyan

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001837

kahit hindi po bigla,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001838

kahit,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001839

by phasing lang,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001840

by phasing lang,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001841

para at least unti-unti

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001842

ay na-upgrade natin

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001843

yung recording

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001844

or filing system

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001845

ng COA.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001846

Wala po kami

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001847

capital outlay po

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001848

for the next year.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-001849

For next year.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001850

Very important po yan.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001851

Mr. Chair,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001852

sana po naman

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001853

na mabigyan ng

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001854

consideration

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001855

na kung wala yan

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001856

sa budget ng COA

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001857

this 2027,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001858

sana po kahit

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001859

hindi 100%,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001860

sana po ay mabigyan

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001861

para at least kahit pa paano

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001862

ay nakakasimula po sila

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001863

sa pag-upgrade.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001864

Kasi po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001865

your honors,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001866

naniniwala po kami

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001867

sa binanggitin nyo

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001868

because we are required

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001869

to keep the documents

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001870

for 10 years po.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001871

Actually po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001872

medyo nahihirapan po kami dun

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001873

because physical,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001874

storage.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001875

So actually,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001876

nagkaroon po kami

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001877

ng bagong building

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001878

but kinukulang pa rin po.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001879

Actually po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001880

ang ano namin is

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001881

if the law can be amended

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001882

to

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001883

to

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001884

allow

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001885

digital,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001886

digital storage po.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001887

Sa ngayon po kasi

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001888

it's physical.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001889

Okay po,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001890

please

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001891

take note lang po

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001892

na

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001893

sama-sama po

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001894

nating ilaban

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001895

na mapondohan po yan.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001896

Kung hindi man

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001897

napalagay

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001898

sa pondo ninyo

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001899

at kung talagang

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001900

walang magawang paraan

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001901

this year,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001902

sana naman

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001903

next year

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001904

ay mapasama na po yan.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001905

Kasi,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001906

kita ko po sa lokal,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001907

konti-kontener,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001908

yung mga dokumento nyo doon eh,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001909

na naka-stack eh.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001910

Eh,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001911

of course,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001912

sabi ko nga,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001913

kahit nung ako ay nasa lokal,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001914

wala naman akong problema

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001915

kapag may mga dokumentong kailangan.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001916

Pero,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001917

I doubt,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001918

kung sa iba,

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001919

ganun din ang experience.

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001920

Ano po?

Source

Rep. Ramil L. Hernandez

asr-001921

Thank you.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001922

Thank you,

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001923

Representative Ramil Hernandez, sir.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001924

We proceed with the minority.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001925

Representative Renee Co.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-001926

Ma'am.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001927

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001928

And

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001929

to the Commission,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001930

good afternoon.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001931

Last

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001932

year po,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001933

nagbigay po ng numbers

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001934

yung Commission on Audit

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001935

sa mga notices of suspension,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001936

notices of disallowances,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001937

and notices of charge

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001938

na na-issue niya sa DPWH

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001939

in the past 10 years.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001940

But ever since then,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001941

may na-uncover tayo na

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001942

isang malaking

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001943

or billions of pesos

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001944

in flood control

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001945

and in other DPWH projects

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001946

na nandito din po

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001947

malaki

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001948

yung kickback schemes,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001949

may corruption na nangyayari.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001950

So,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001951

pwede po bang

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001952

ma-refresh yung publiko?

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001953

for the

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001954

past year,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001955

ilan po ba

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001956

ang na-issue ng COA

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001957

na notices of suspension,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001958

disallowances,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001959

and charges

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001960

against DPWH?

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001961

Thank you, uh,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001962

Your Honors.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001963

Thank you,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001964

um, Sir Chair.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001965

Uh, actually po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001966

I have the

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001967

amounts po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001968

kung okay po sa inyo.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001969

As

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001970

of

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001971

as

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001972

of

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001973

starting

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001974

2025

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001975

until mid

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001976

2026

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001977

ang

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001978

gawa

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001979

po

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001980

natin

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001981

notice of

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001982

suspension

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001983

is 107 billion

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001984

771 po.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001985

Ano po ulit?

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001986

107

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001987

billion

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001988

771

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001989

107.771 billion

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001990

notice of suspension po yan.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001991

How about po yung,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001992

disallowance

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001993

and charges?

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-001994

Meron na po.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001995

Notice

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001996

of disallowance

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001997

and notice

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001998

of charges,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-001999

51.277 po.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002000

Billion.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002001

And

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002002

ilan notices po yung

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002003

in question dito?

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002004

Because these are amounts.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002005

Pero yung number po.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002006

This

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002007

is the

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002008

only

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002009

DPWH po ha.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002010

May

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002011

number

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002012

po.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002013

Ikaw na po.

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002014

Ito kasi,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002015

One

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002016

minute

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002017

lang po,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002018

Your Honor

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002019

Yes po,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002020

take your time.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002021

Thank you.

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002022

Ma’am

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002023

bali

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002024

yung mga

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002025

issued natin dito

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002026

for 2025

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002027

and 2026,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002028

it does not mean po that

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002029

these are transactions,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002030

for 2025

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002031

and 2026,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002032

nor,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002033

specific

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002034

that

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002035

these were coming from

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002036

GAAs of 2025 po.

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002037

Ibig sabihin po,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002038

when these were audited

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002039

by the,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002040

uh, concerned

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002041

audit

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002042

teams,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002043

it could be

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002044

these transactions

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002045

pertain to

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002046

prior years po.

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002047

So,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002048

the total issued,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002049

NS

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002050

for 2025

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002051

and 26 po

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002052

is

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002053

4,378

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002054

and

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002055

614

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002056

respectively po.

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002057

Well,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002058

for

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002059

notices

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002060

of

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002061

disallowances po,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002062

220

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002063

transactions

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002064

and 166

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002065

for 2026.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002066

And there are also

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002067

notice of charges

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002068

issued

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002069

totaling

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002070

111

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002071

for 2025

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002072

and 4

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002073

for 2026 po.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002074

Opo. And

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002075

yung mga amounts no,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002076

tama,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002077

107

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002078

billion

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002079

for the suspension.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002080

How many po ulit yung sa

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002081

disallowance and charges?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002082

um, 51

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002083

billion.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002084

51

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002085

.277

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002086

billion.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002087

Ano na po yung round-off na lang po,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002088

your honors.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002089

Okay.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002090

And sa numbers

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002091

na po ito, alin po

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002092

yung because of

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002093

ito ay nasa

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002094

ga-a ng 2025-2026

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002095

at flood control,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002096

meron na po ba?

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002097

Your Honor, dahil hindi pa po submitted

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002098

yung ibang transactions, hindi pa po

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002099

nasama yung mga 2026 transactions

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002100

dito. This pertains to

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002101

prior years pa rin po.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002102

How about po flood control

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002103

from 2020 to

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002104

2025, for example, dahil

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002105

yun nga po ang na-uncovered din naman po

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002106

na dito in the past years,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002107

yung meteoric rise

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002108

of flood control

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002109

for those years. So kahit

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002110

hindi naman po siya ng previous year

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002111

in particular,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002112

how much po dito yung flood control?

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002113

Sa ngayon, ma'am, hindi po namin

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002114

madetalihan, but based on

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002115

the numbers I have read a while ago,

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002116

it could be that the

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002117

2025

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002118

NSND and NCIS issued

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002119

would pertain to 2020.

Source

COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002120

2022 to 2024 po.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002121

Or even

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002122

pababa. Submit na lang po namin, ma'am.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002123

Yes po. If possible,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002124

masubmit po to this representation

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002125

through the committee, yung

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002126

ma-identify no, dun po sa mga

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002127

na-mention na figures, anon po dito yung

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002128

pertaining to flood control. Siyempre,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002129

gusto natin na sinusuportahan yung

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002130

gawain ng COA na

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002131

na-flag nga po, and nakita naman po natin

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002132

na hard at work in the past

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002133

few months since na-uncover yung

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002134

corruption, na

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002135

ma-identify as soon as possible

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002136

alin po dito yung

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002137

fake, substandard,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002138

or hindi maganda

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002139

talaga yung paggawa.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002140

I'd like to ask din po kasi

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002141

dahil meron pong

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002142

mga existing flood control

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002143

mechanisms

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002144

that

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002145

hindi po nakasaad sa kahit

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002146

anong parang master plan, and then

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002147

therefore nagbe-bring ng active harm

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002148

to the community for its

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002149

existence, diba?

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002150

Paano po ba

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002151

ma-ensure ng COA na

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002152

nagagawa, bahagi po ba

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002153

ng purview niya, yung pag-check

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002154

kung

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002155

na-function ba ng flood control

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002156

mechanism na ito, yung kanyang gawain?

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002157

And kung hindi, when soonest,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002158

kaya siya pwede pwede matanggal?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002159

Actually, Your Honors,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002160

ano po,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002161

meron po kaming in-issue before

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002162

sa DPWH, we can submit it

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002163

to you. Ang ano po kasi nun,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002164

dapat sa flood control, it should be a

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002165

holistic

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002166

holistic approach po eh.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002167

Hindi po pwedeng kanya-kanyang

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002168

lugar. So,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002169

ang puna nga po namin,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002170

dati pa, I think that was

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002171

around 2016

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002172

or, we can submit it to you,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002173

wala po kasi yung

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002174

master plan.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002175

Yes, parang last year pa lang natin naririnig

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002176

yung, pero kayo po,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002177

since 2016, na-flog nyo na sa

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002178

DPWH na dapat may master plan.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002179

Master plan. Kasi po, ano po eh,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002180

holistic po dapat siya,

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002181

kunwari po ba, hindi lang

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002182

dito sa munisipyo na to, dapat pati

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002183

yung kabilang munisipyo, pati yung iba.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002184

So, hindi po pwedeng,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002185

para ang nangyari po kasi kanya-kanya po sila na.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002186

So, tama na, since 2016,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002187

parang na-flog nyo na yung pattern na yan.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002188

Mukhang may flood control,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002189

isa-isa,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002190

hindi naka-isang

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002191

master plan, and dahil

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002192

doon, hindi natin

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002193

may ensure yung effectiveness niya.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002194

Sa isang particular locality.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002195

Okay.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002196

May na-flog na po ba yung COA

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002197

na mga projects na,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002198

kayo may nakita yung trend,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002199

pero yung salungat talaga doon

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002200

sa kakayahan niya na makapag-flood control,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002201

meron po bang naging mechanism

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002202

yung COA na mag-identify ng gano'n?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002203

Actually po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002204

nagpa-performance audit na rin po kami

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002205

dito po sa mga existing,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002206

but hindi pa po siya tapos.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002207

Medyo marami po siya.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002208

Meron po ba siya, meron po ba kayong

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002209

previous performance audits,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002210

of other flood control projects

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002211

of the previous years?

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002212

Parang wala.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002213

Compliance audit.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002214

We'll submit it po, Your Honors.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002215

Yes po. Kung kumaari, pwede rin po masubmit.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002216

Kasi, everywhere

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002217

in the Philippines,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002218

ang mga citizens na po yung nag-identify

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002219

na itong flood control project,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002220

kaysa na makabenepisyo,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002221

ay nakapinsala pa nga.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002222

Kung nga, a structure in the middle of a creek,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002223

na dahil diyan,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002224

ay mabilis na umaapaw yung tubig.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002225

At ako, at least,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002226

it's good to know na na-identify na ng COA,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002227

pero ngayon, nabahala ako na 2016 pa pala

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002228

nyo na-identify,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002229

and it's been 10 years at wala ang action

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002230

yung DPWH on this.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002231

So, siguro tanong ko na lang,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002232

may follow-up mechanisms ba kayo

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002233

na parang, oh, since na-flag nyo na before,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002234

dapat matagal na yung flood control master plan?

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002235

Parang paano nyo po ba na

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002236

i-ensure na yung audit ninyo

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002237

ay may policy,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002238

may policy action sa dulo?

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002239

Tuloy-tuloy po kasi yung your honors

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002240

na pag-raise namin sa kanila po noon.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002241

Actually po kasi, I think,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002242

one of the reasons kung bakit

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002243

kuminsan po ay iba-iba yung policy,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002244

because of the change in management

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002245

of DPWH,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002246

tsaka po syempre,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002247

nag-iiba yung secretaries,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002248

nag-iiba yung president.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002249

Kaya po, kuminsan,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002250

hindi po natutuloy yun pong mga napag-usapan.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002251

Ang isa pa pong gusto sana namin

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002252

i-submit sa inyo is

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002253

natapos po na po kami ng

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002254

50 fraud

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002255

audit reports po.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002256

And these fraud audit reports

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002257

are the one being used

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002258

by the ombudsman

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002259

sa filing po of cases nila

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002260

sa Sandigat Bayan.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002261

Kung maaari din po ay masubmit din po

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002262

yun sa committee.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002263

Thank you po, Mr. Chair.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002264

Ang next na question ko na lang din po,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002265

since 2015,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002266

ilang notices of suspension,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002267

disallowance,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002268

or charges,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002269

ang na-issue na po ba

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002270

on confidential and intelligence funds?

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002271

One minute lang po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002272

Your Honor.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002273

Your honors,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002274

what we have here po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002275

is sabi niyo po kasi kanina,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002276

starting 2015,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002277

what we have is 2021 lang po.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002278

To the present,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002279

for AOMs,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002280

ang issue po namin is

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002281

3,016 AOMs po.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002282

And then notice of suspension,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002283

92,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002284

and NDs,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002285

22 po.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002286

And yung reason po kung bakit

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002287

since 2021 lang,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002288

dahil ang binasayan kong year

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002289

is yung 2015,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002290

yung inyong joint memorandum circular.

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002291

Actually po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002292

we'll compile it po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002293

your honors,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002294

para makompleto po,

Source

COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-002295

namin from 2015 to the present.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002296

But ang hinanda po kasi namin

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002297

is for the past five years po.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002298

Kung maaari din po

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002299

ay makapagsubmit po

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002300

nung list ng mga

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002301

confidential intelligence funds expenses

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002302

na na-issuehan ng mga

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002303

ganitong AOM and SND.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002304

And siguro,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002305

ako na lang din po,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002306

we're aware of the discourse

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002307

on confidential and intelligence funds now.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002308

Yung paano po ba,

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002309

because iba yung kanyang

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002310

ah, from

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002311

ordinary procurement

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002312

and itemized reporting rules.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002313

Siguro ang tanong ko na lang po dito ay

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002314

ano po ba yung nakikitang

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002315

dapat magbago doon

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002316

sa existing rules

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002317

ng COA

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002318

with regards to CIF.

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002319

Given nga yung nakita nga natin

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002320

sa maaaring

Source

Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002321

hindi po nag-reflect

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sa rules ninyo,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

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yung sinasabit na audit reports.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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Magandang hapon po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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Ako na pong sasagot nung tanong.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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Base po dun sa mga nakaraang

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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mga hearings,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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din po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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tungkol sa confidential fund.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002330

Lumabas din po yung mga kakulangan

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002331

na kailangan ayusin po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002332

dun sa aming joint circular.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002333

But just as a reminder po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002334

yung joint circular po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002335

is an issuance po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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of the different agencies.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002337

Hindi lang po COA.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002338

Department of National Defense,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002339

we also have the DILG

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002340

dahil nasa kanila rin po ang PNP.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002341

Ang kasama rin po namin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002342

sa nag-issue po nito ay

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002343

DBM.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002344

So, we practically have

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002345

NGCG po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002346

So, we have these five groups po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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that came up

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002348

with the joint circular.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002349

Naintindihan po ng COA

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002350

that there are some operational items

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002351

regarding the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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confidential funds and the intelligence funds.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002353

So, magkaiba po yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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trato ng dalawa.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002355

Magka-coordinate po kami.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002356

May mga proposals na po ang COA

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002357

base po dun sa mga nakita

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002358

naming mga kakulangan.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002359

We just need to sit down po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002360

with these agencies

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002361

because we understand

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002362

their operational concerns din po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002363

regarding the intelligence

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002364

and confidential funds.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002365

But we already took note

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002366

of the certain items

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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that were raised po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002368

Yung acknowledgement receipts,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002369

yung identity po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002370

at yung paggamit po ng alias.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002371

May mga rekomendasyon na rin po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002372

yung mataas na kapulungan

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002373

tungkol ho dito.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002374

Yung kailangan pong

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002375

ano po ang talagang

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002376

requirement po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002377

as evidence of success

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002378

as the basis of reward.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002379

Then, yung papano po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002380

kailangan ma-prove

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002381

kung may binili ho sila

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002382

anong procurement process

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002383

if we need to refine.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002384

Then, kung kailangan higpitan po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002385

o anong pa talaga

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002386

ang mga kailangan pong gastusin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002387

tungkol sa confidential

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002388

and intelligence fund.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002389

At the same time po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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yung audit scope

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002391

and security clearances po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002392

ng mga auditor po namin,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002393

tungkol sa pag-imbestigaho

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002394

ng mga pondong ito.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002395

What is the extent?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002396

What is the limit?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002397

But what is also the coordination

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002398

we need to do

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002399

with the operating unit po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002400

spending these funds?

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002401

Last manifestation na lang po,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002402

Chair, no?

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002403

Dahil nakapaglatag ng mga

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002404

nakitang so far butas

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002405

doon sa mga existing rules

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002406

na unfortunate ang nangyayari ngayon.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002407

May nakita tayong clear case

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002408

kung saan na-exploit po

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002409

yung mga kakulangan na ito.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002410

And now, up until now,

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002411

hindi tayo sure kung saan may ilang milyon

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002412

na saan po nag-end up

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002413

na sana po pumunta sa mga ibang-ibang

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002414

pangailangan ng budget

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002415

na ibang-ibang ahensya ngayon

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002416

nag-aagawan for.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002417

So, yun lang naman po.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002418

Mr. Chair, thank you very much

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002419

for answering our questions

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002420

and we look forward to the submissions

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002421

to the office through the committee.

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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co

asr-002422

Thank you very much.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002423

Thank you, Representative Renee Co.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002424

Let's proceed with the majority.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002425

Representative Salvador Pleyto.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002426

Sir.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002427

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002428

Chairman Cordoba

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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and Commissioner Lillian

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002430

and the Coa family,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002431

this representation fully supports

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002432

the approval of the proposed

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002433

2007 budget of the Commission on Audit.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002434

We do appreciate the Commission's

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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continuing efforts

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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to strengthen financial compliance,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002437

performance, and technical audits

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002438

as well as its move

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002439

towards digitalization

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002440

and greater use of technology

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002441

in detecting irregularities.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002442

More so, COA has come up with

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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initiatives such as the

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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Citizen Participatory Audit

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002445

because this brings ordinary citizens

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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and civil society

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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into the audit process

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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and gives Filipino people

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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a more direct role

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002450

in safeguarding public resources.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002451

Napakaganda po,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002452

Chairman Cordoba,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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ang inyong inisyatiba

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002454

na ito na dapat isama o isali

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002455

ang ating mga kababayan

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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na maging partner po ninyo

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002457

sa pag-audit

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002458

on the prudent utilization

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002459

of public funds.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002460

With the Citizen Participatory Audit,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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how exactly can ordinary citizens

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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participate in this audit process?

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002463

Can a citizen report,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002464

a suspected anomalous project,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002465

submit evidence,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002466

or join ocular inspections

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002467

or validation activities,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002468

and receive feedback

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002469

on the action taken by COA?

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002470

And how does COA

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002471

ensure that these

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002472

citizen inputs

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002473

actually become part

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002474

of the formal audit process

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002475

and are not simply

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002476

treated as complaints?

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002477

Could COA institutionalize

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002478

a more accessible

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002479

citizen-to-audit mechanism

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002480

where citizens can help verify

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

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whether a project exists,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002482

was completed according to specifications,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002483

and is actually being used

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002484

by the community?

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002485

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002486

Good afternoon.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002487

To answer the questions

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002488

regarding the Citizen Participatory Audit,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002489

may pagkakaiba po na

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002491

nagsulong po ng complaint

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002492

ang isang private citizen

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

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regarding a certain project

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002494

or a certain transaction po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002495

Normally po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002496

if the complaint is submitted,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002497

this would fall under our COA complaints desk,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002498

and this would be transmitted to

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002499

the audit sector po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002500

na sumasako po sa area na to.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002501

Kung nanggagaling po ito sa Cebu,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002502

nanggagaling po ito sa Apari,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002503

kung sino po ang local government audit sector po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002504

sa kanya po itatransmit to look into.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002505

Kakaiba naman po yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002506

Citizens Participatory Audit.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002507

Yung proseso na to,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002508

although it does involve citizens po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002509

we have this program po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002510

to have NGOs,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002511

private citizens,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002512

and CSOs po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002513

They become part po of the audit team.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002514

Magkakaroon po ng isang programa na

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002515

kung kailangan ma-audit ang isang

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002516

infrastruktura o isang programa po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002517

Nagiging parte po sila ng audit team.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002518

They are trained po how to audit.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002519

So they become part of the audit team complement.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002520

Nagiging very formal po yung process.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002521

They are trained

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002522

how to go about it.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002523

Tinuturuan ho sila kung ano

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002524

ho dapat tingnan.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002525

Inaayos ho din sila

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002526

na tingnan at makagawa po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002527

ng report tulad ho ng mga

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002528

auditor at ginagabayan ho sila

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002529

ng COA. Ito ho

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002530

ay isinasama ho namin sila sa

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002531

proseso dahil gusto

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002532

rin na ho namin as COA

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002533

na makita ng pribadong

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002534

sektor kung ano ho ang ginagawa

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002535

ng COA. At the same time

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002536

po dahil very voluntary po yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002537

participation nila

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002538

although COA ho shoulders

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002539

part of their expenses, it

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002540

becomes a more effective audit

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002541

po. So kakaiba po yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002542

ordinary complaint where

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002543

a citizen based on the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002544

observation or based on a complaint

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002545

simply submits

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002546

what they think COA

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002547

should look into. Yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002548

kinatawag ko nating CPA, Citizens

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002549

Participatory Audit,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002550

lumalabas ho, they do not

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002551

just do one act.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002552

Nasasama ho sila

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002553

sa buong gawain ng pag-audit.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002554

And we value

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002555

po the output

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002556

and the outcomes of their audit report.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002557

So yung programa

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002558

po, ito kakaiba po talaga.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002559

In fact,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002560

in the international community

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002561

of supreme audit institutions po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002562

ibig sabihin, ito po yung

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002563

mga ibang komisyon o opisina

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002564

sa buong mundo, they recognize

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002565

that program po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002566

As a program

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002567

that should be emulated po sa

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002568

ibang bansa. So malaking

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002569

bagay po sa amin yung CPA.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002570

Pagdating naman po doon sa mga complaints,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002571

siniseryoso po ng COA

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002572

yung mga complaints.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002573

May mga, pagdating

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002574

sa infrastructure projects nga po,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002575

ang ginagawa po ng mga

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002576

complainant, nililitratuhan

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002577

nila yung mga poster

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002578

ng nakalagay po yung

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002579

budget, time of

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002580

start, time of completion,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002581

para ma-indicate po nila

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002582

kung ano ho yung proyektong tinitingnan nila.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002583

At pinapadala ho yun sa amin.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002584

In our audit of the

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002585

DPWH, kasama ho sa

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002586

geo-tagging,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002587

maisasama ho ito at makikita rin

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002588

namin. So outside

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002589

the geo-tagging,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002590

outside the actual audits, we get

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002591

constant feedback din po

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002592

sa publiko.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002593

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Commissioner,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002594

for that response.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002596

With

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002597

the increasing complexity

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002598

and size of government programs

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002599

and projects, digital

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asr-002600

transactions, PPPs,

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asr-002601

and other emerging

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asr-002602

areas, do you still believe,

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asr-002603

Commissioner, that your

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present technical manpower and systems

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asr-002605

are already sufficient?

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asr-002606

Or are there still areas

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asr-002607

where you need additional

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asr-002608

engineers, IT

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asr-002609

specialists,

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asr-002610

data analysts,

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asr-002611

forensic

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asr-002612

auditors,

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asr-002613

and other technical experts?

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002614

But precisely because COA

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is our constitutional

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asr-002616

guardian of public funds,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002617

I believe, Mr. Chair,

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asr-002618

that we should continuously ask

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asr-002619

how can we make

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asr-002620

COA even more effective,

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asr-002621

more proactive, and more responsive

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002622

to the challenges that government

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asr-002623

faces today. Mr. Chair,

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asr-002624

it's now more than ever

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asr-002625

incumbent upon us in Congress,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002626

my colleagues,

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002627

my dear colleagues, to provide

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asr-002628

COA with the necessary support,

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asr-002629

resources, and assistance it needs

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002630

to effectively

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asr-002631

fulfill and strengthen its constitutional mandate.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002632

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Salvador A. Pleyto

asr-002633

Thank you.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002634

Thank you,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002635

Representative Salvador

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002636

Pleyto, sir. Let's proceed

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002637

with the second round.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002638

The minority

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002639

may acknowledge

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002640

Representative Robert Nazal,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-002641

sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002642

Thank you again, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002643

Chairman,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002644

Mr. Chair and

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002645

Chairman, I'd like to go back

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002646

to yung representative

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002647

natin for DPWH.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002648

So my question,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002649

ang question ko lang po is that

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002650

ito pong may mga

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002651

projects kasi na na-validate na

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002652

under NBC 595, di ba?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002653

So tapos, ang sinabi sa inyo,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002654

hindi siya

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002655

implementable.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002656

Tama ba?

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002657

Your Honor, yung iba po kasi

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002658

based dun sa audit po namin na lumabas.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002659

Kung pwede ko pong

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002660

i-explain, sir.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002661

Pero hindi po siya.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002662

Bali, ang specific po na inaudit

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002663

ng audit team po natin

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002664

sa Central Office

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002665

ay yung mga projects

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002666

under Bridges Program po.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002667

So, nakita po nila

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002668

na may mga nasa NEP po.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002669

Originally, sa NEP po niya

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002670

nasa District Original Office.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002671

And then, pagdating po sa GAA,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002672

nalipat po siya sa

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002673

Central Office

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002674

ang implementing agency.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002675

So, eventually po, itong mga nasa

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002676

Central Office, upon release

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002677

of the SARO, eventually,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002678

nirelease din po sa

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002679

District Original

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002680

Offices. Pero dahil

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002681

late din po yung SARO,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002682

late din pong na-download

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002683

sa Regional or

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002684

District Offices. Or yung

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002685

iba po, hindi po talaga ready

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002686

yung ating implementing

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002687

office. Dahil po sa nangyari last

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002688

year, sir. So, yun po yung

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002689

mga naging problema po natin.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002690

So, basically, ang sinasabi nyo,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002691

hindi naging ready

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002692

yung agency. Kasi kahit meron pondo

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002693

at may SARO,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002694

hindi

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002695

implementable nung

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002696

sub-agency dahil may mga

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002697

for whatever reason, may mga tinanggal,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002698

may mga pinalitan.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002699

So, bakit po

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002700

na-issue yung SARO? Kasi, di ba,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002701

nag-pangalawang certification tayo.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002702

Through NBC 595.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002703

Na-bid na lahat to.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002704

And then, sasabihin lang nila na

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002705

hindi po na-implementable. Anong

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002706

validation ang ginawa nyo?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002707

To make sure na hindi

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002708

siya implementable. Did you just take

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002709

that hook, line, and sinker? Kasi,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002710

kung ganun po ang mangyayari, at

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002711

hindi po natin i-validate,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002712

parang ini-enable po natin

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002713

sila na mag-manufacture ng savings.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002714

Hindi po ba?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002715

Yes, sir. So, my question

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002716

is, what other actions

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002717

did you take, did the COA take

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002718

para i-check

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002719

na talagang hindi siya implementable?

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002720

Opo. We agree po

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002721

with your intention, sir, na

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002722

dapat hindi mag-fabricate

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002723

ng fake savings,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002724

but rather, kasi,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002725

we are also with you,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002726

sir, para po medyo mapaikot

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002727

po natin yung economy natin. Lalo na po

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002728

at medyo bagsak po tayo

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002729

last year. So, kaya nga din po,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002730

kami din po, ini-enable

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002731

din po namin yung management.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002732

Na tingnan po nila yung mga

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002733

toong root causes,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002734

kasi, sir, sa totoo lang po, siguro dahil

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002735

dun sa problema po last year, kaya hindi

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002736

po talagang nakapag-implement

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002737

yung mga implementing

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002738

agencies po natin.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002739

When an agency po does

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002740

declares

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002741

savings, yung pondo,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002742

dinodouble-check po ba natin yun?

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002743

Yes, sir.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002744

Actually, sir, yung iba naman po,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002745

implemented naman po siya.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002746

Yun nga lang po, may mga suspended,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002747

may mga for termination

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002748

dahil din po doon sa mga

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002749

na-revoke yung mga

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002750

pick-up license. Kaya po,

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002751

ang ginawa ng team, nire-recommend po nila

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002752

na immediately po sana

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002753

mag-act po si DPWH

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002754

through re-bidding or

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002755

takeover of contracts po.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002756

So, ang sinasabi mo,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002757

there are some projects that were

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002758

bided out, pero ang nangyari,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002759

may problema dun sa sub-agency,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002760

whether district or ano, at hindi

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002761

nila ma-implement. Pero,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002762

karamihan po kasi sa kanila, parang

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002763

ang sinasabi, waiting lang kami.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002764

Naga-antay lang kami.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002765

And then, there were a lot

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002766

of reports that we received that

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002767

na parang

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002768

ready na to implement. Talagang hindi lang

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002769

nire-release yung saa.

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002770

We'll confirm po that with the central officer

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COA Director III Tracy Ann D. Sunico

asr-002771

and we'll revert po sa inyo.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002772

Anyway, ang gusto ko lang naman

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002773

pong i-drive at, is dapat po

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002774

meron tayong mechanism and we make sure

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002775

that hindi mangyari yung manufactured

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002776

savings. Kung meron man augmentation,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002777

na i-declare, savings,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002778

tapos dadalhin sa augmentation,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002779

dapat po natin double-check po natin.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002780

So, let me go now to

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002781

off-budget

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002782

accounts. So,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002783

Commissioner, I want to understand

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002784

what the off-budget balances reported

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002785

in the BESF actually represent

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002786

and how

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002787

COA audits them.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002788

When the BESF reports

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002789

an off-budget balance,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002790

is that necessarily actual

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002791

cash still available to the agent?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002792

Or can it merely be an

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002793

accounting balance where the underlying

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002794

cash is deposited with

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002795

the treasury or being

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002796

temporarily used elsewhere?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002797

Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002798

Good afternoon, everyone.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002799

When we refer off-budgetary

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002800

accounts, these are

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002801

usually revenues

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002802

authorized by law to be

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002803

collected by certain government

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002804

agencies. The purpose

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002805

of these off-budgetary accounts are

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002806

for expenses.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002807

Not included in the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002808

national, in the NEP.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002809

In the NEP. So,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002810

we call it off-budgetary accounts

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002811

because we cannot speculate like

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002812

ECUCs, how much is the amount that

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002813

could be collected on this.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002814

So, but COA

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002815

reports on that. The

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002816

amount of off-budgetary

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002817

accounts are actually being monitored

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002818

by the DBM. The audit

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002819

is done by the COA.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002820

And we include that in our annual financial report

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002821

which we

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002822

issued,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002823

issue, I mean, every September

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002824

30 of the year, and post

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002825

it in the website within the year.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002826

For funds na-deposited

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002827

sa national treasury,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002828

siyempre, does the one-fund concept

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002829

or the principle that cash is

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002830

fungible apply also?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002831

Kailangan lang po natin daanan eh.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002832

Kamaganda, sir.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002833

For funds deposited with the national

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002834

treasury, does the one-fund

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002835

concept or the principle of

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002836

cash is fungible apply?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002837

I think so.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002838

So, ibig sabihin, the

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002839

treasury can temporarily use

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002840

that cash while the agency

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002841

does not need it.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002842

Tama po ba?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002843

I believe so, sir.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002844

So, does

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002845

COA actually trace that cash?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002846

How much was temporarily

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002847

used? Where it was

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002848

used? Whether it was restored?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002849

And whether the full amount

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002850

remained available when the

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002851

agency eventually needed it?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002852

Actually, COA comes in the picture

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002853

the moment the

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002854

off-budgetary funds are

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002855

being disbursed by agencies.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002856

So, doon pa lang din?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002857

Doon pa lang din, but while

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002858

in the treasury,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002859

atsaka with DBM,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002860

that's an executive

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002861

activity

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002862

for which

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002863

limited ang

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002864

intrusion

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002865

ng COA on that aspect.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002866

So, while with

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002867

the BTR, hindi nyo pwedeng i-audit?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002868

Because the funds are

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002869

there, the law

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002870

allows it to be there,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002871

and the revenues

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002872

of course were audited

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002873

by the COA when they're collected.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002874

And the moment they're transmitted to BTR,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002875

so it's there.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002876

I'd like to

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002877

cite an example. There is a certain

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002878

fund, I think

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002879

yung sa CHED. And then

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002880

based on the law,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002881

dapat po, naka-deposit siya

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002882

sa isang

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002883

fund manager.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002884

It is

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002885

specifically stated doon sa batas.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002886

Pero, ang nangyari ho,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002887

nilipat sa Bureau of Treasury.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002888

Nakita nyo po ba yun?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002889

Actually, the authorized

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002890

bank to be

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002891

where the money should go is the

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002892

AGDP, o tinatawag na

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002893

Authorized Government Depository Banks.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002894

And the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002895

agency actually that

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002896

generates that

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002897

off-budgetary accounts

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002898

practically control the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002899

funds

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002900

that they collected.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002901

Ted, like,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002902

similar also with what is being or

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002903

happening

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002904

with the SUCs,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002905

State University and Colleges.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002906

So, ang sinasabi nyo po, for off-budget funds

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002907

deposited in authorized government

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002908

depository banks,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002909

yung deposits are

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002910

under the control of the agency.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002911

Yeah, because that's their account.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002912

That exactly is their money.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002913

Um, do these, ano, do these, um,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002914

do they earn interest?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002915

Yeah, with the bank, of course.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002916

Ngayon, kung kumikita po

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002917

ng interest yun, sino ang

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002918

legally entitled to that interest?

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002919

The fund, the agency,

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002920

or the general fund?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002921

It accrues to the agency,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002922

I suppose. Because the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002923

name of the account is in the agency.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002924

Like, if you see,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002925

it's in there.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002926

So, yung interest earned

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002927

by the off-budget account

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002928

for the SUCs, sa kanila na pupunta?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002929

It is,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002930

I think, intrinsically included in the

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002931

balance in the account, in the

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002932

AGDB.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002933

Hindi po yun pwede gamitin ng

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002934

national government

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002935

for a different purpose?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002936

I'm not quite sure on that.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002937

Nakikita po ba natin yun?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002938

Yes, because we report it.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002939

We include it in the report.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002940

Ginalaw nila yung, ginalaw ng

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002941

national government yung

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002942

interest

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002943

or yung off-budget account.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002944

Nakikita nyo lahat ng movement.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002945

That can be

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002946

seen, sir.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002947

So, you are monitoring that?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002948

Yes, of course.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002949

Can an agency itself invoke

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002950

cash is fungible and temporarily

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002951

use the money from one

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002952

off-budget account for another agency

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002953

purpose simply because the cash is not yet

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002954

needed?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002955

I believe it cannot be

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002956

without facing legal

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002957

complication on that, sir.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002958

So, every off-budget is strictly

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002959

limited to the purpose authorized by

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002961

its enabling law.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002962

That's correct, sir. That's correct, sir.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002963

Does the COA monitor and flag

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002964

temporary borrowing, commingling,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002965

or cross-using among an agency's

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002966

different off-budget accounts?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Roy L. Orsal

asr-002967

Yeah, that can be discovered in the audit, sir.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002968

More importantly, Commissioner,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002969

pag nakikita po ba natin ng COA

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002970

na an agency is accumulating

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002971

a large off-budget balance year after year,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-002972

do you examine why the agency is not spending it?

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002973

We take a look at, ano ho,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002974

tinitinan ho namin yung budget requirements

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002975

and their fund.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002976

As long as the fund is a special fund,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002977

maski na nag-accumulate nga po yun minsan,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002978

to a point of it being excessive

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002979

and not to a point of being useful anymore

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002980

to the agency,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002981

it's flagged as having,

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002982

it's being too much for the agency.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002983

But it's not really something that

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002984

we normally immediately disallow

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002985

if there is no irregularity on the use of the fund.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002986

But in case there are instances of

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002987

where the fund exceeds

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002988

what the auditee can make use of,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002989

ang trabaho po ng COA is to make certain recommendations

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002990

to the executive

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002991

and possibly if it is legislated,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002993

it is also a recommendation to Congress

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002994

on the management or the reduction

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002995

or the possible use of the fund po.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002996

But our audit po

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002997

will stick to the areas where

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002998

if the fund is there

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-002999

and they use it for a different purpose,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003000

that's when the red flag goes up po.

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003001

Hindi ko kaya posible na

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003002

the reason why sometimes the fund is accumulating

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003003

is because the agency has no access to the fund

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003004

or nagagamit.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003005

And when the agency needs it,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003006

hindi nila magamit.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003007

Kaya siya parang nag-accumulate

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003008

dahil tinitignan lang natin

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003009

yung sinasabi nyo,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003010

yung fund balance eh.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003011

So, if we're just looking at the fund balance,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003012

hindi po ba kaya

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Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003013

ang nangyayari,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003014

kaya meron tayong mga ganyang pangyayari,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003015

is dahil nagagamit,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003016

so kailangan nilang humingi ng humingi.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003017

Pero pag tinitignan mo yung fund balance,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003018

paakyat siya ng pag-agamit.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003019

Dapat may pera sila.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003020

Pero kung tutuusin, kaya hindi nila magamit,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003021

dahil wala ng pera.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003022

For COA po, as long as the fund balance is there,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003023

the corresponding availability,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003024

yung tinitignan po namin is

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003025

the fund should be available to the agency.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003026

Now, the moment po it is restricted,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003027

it is something where the DBM and the BTR,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003028

its relationship po to the agency comes into play

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003029

as to releasing.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003030

But the moment the agency po

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003031

touches the fund,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003032

and touches it for a different purpose,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003033

that's when we raise the red flag po.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003034

But the moment there is a certain restriction

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003035

as to the use of the fund,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003036

and it is between the relationship of DBM-BTR

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003037

and the agency po,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003038

we simply take a look at,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003039

we do this in the compliance audits.

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COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003040

We take a look at the fund requirement,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003041

and the required outcome.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003042

But this does not necessarily go po

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003043

to a financial audit,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003044

where we find a disallowance or a charge.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003045

It is between,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003046

it is how the fund is going to be used

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003047

based on what the executive deems

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003048

to be available for use po.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003049

But we keep monitoring the fund.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003050

Any charges outside the fund,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003051

outside its purpose,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003052

is what COA takes and puts into a report po.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003053

Ang problema po,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003054

po kasi,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003055

is when the agency asks for budget.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003056

Diba?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003057

So, hingi po sila ng hingi.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003058

Titignan ngayon ang i-examine ng Congress

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003059

yung kanilang budget.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003060

Sasabihin ng Congress,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003061

oh, meron kang pera eh.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003062

Ba't ka humihingi?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003063

Diba?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003064

Pero,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003065

hindi niya ma-access yung pera na yun,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003066

hindi niya masabi na wala na,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003067

kasi hindi binibigay sa kanya ng DBM or whatever.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003068

Diba kung naka-deposit with the Bureau of Treasury?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003069

Sabihin ng Bureau of Treasury,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003070

uh, ah what

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003071

do you

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003072

call this?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003073

Fiscal space.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003074

Excuse me, sir.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003075

You can do third round.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003076

We have, ah,

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003077

still waiting, ah,

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003078

another interview.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003079

Sige po.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003080

I will wrap up.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003081

So, do you get my point po?

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003082

Uh, that

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003083

if

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003084

we do not monitor

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003085

how it's being used

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003086

or bago pa siya mapunta sa agency

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003087

at nagamit na siya,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003088

may problema na kagad eh.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003089

So, I think the COA

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003090

should also be looking at that.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003091

We should also be looking at the funds

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003092

from the source pa lang.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003093

Pagka pumasok sa kanila,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003094

ginalaw,

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003095

dapat tinitignan na natin yun.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003096

Do you get my point?

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003097

Ah, we get it po.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003098

Ah, we'll take a look at it

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003099

and come up with a certain protocol

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003100

so that we can monitor

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003101

the balance of the fund.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003102

We have, ah,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003103

regular reports po from DBM

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003104

as to the balances of the fund.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003105

Kaya po nababantayan din namin

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003106

the use of the fund.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003107

Um, but kung kailangan po ng kongreso

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003108

makita po natin yung movement of the fund,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003109

um, then we can also flag this

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003110

and coordinate with DBM and PTR.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003111

Um, because these funds should be available

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003112

for the purposes,

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003113

especially kung statutory po

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003114

yung creation ng fund.

Source

Rep. Roberto Nazal

asr-003115

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Source

COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin

asr-003116

We will po.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003117

Thank you.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003118

Before proceeding,

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003119

I'd like to acknowledge the

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003120

presence of our committee chair

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003121

on Appropriation,

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003122

Representative

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003123

Mika Suansing.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003124

And our

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003125

HDS

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003126

Representative Dinan.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003127

And

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003128

also our

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003129

Deputy Majority Leader,

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003130

Representative

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003131

Pipito Alvarez.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003132

So,

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003133

let's proceed with the

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003134

majority.

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003135

Representative Mauricio

Source

Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003136

Dumogan.

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003137

Thank you.

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003138

Mr. Chair.

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003139

I was listening a while ago

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003140

of the specific amount

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003141

that you enumerated

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003142

to be augmented.

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003143

Can you please

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003144

state that again?

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003145

For

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003146

the MOE,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003147

semi-expendable information

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003148

and communication technology

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003149

items and software subscriptions,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003150

213.686 million.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003151

Then, for the

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003152

MOE,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003153

requirements for citizen

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003154

participatory audit

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003155

for 40.734 million.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003156

For the capital

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003157

outlay,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003158

a total of 656.528 million,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003159

which consists of

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003160

ICT equipment and software.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003161

For the amount of

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003162

525.405 million,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003163

Supply and

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003164

installation of furniture and fixtures

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003165

for Building 2,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003166

125.523 million,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003167

and

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003168

motor vehicles for some of our

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003169

officials.

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003170

and for the NIR,

Source

COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003171

5.6 million.

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003172

It

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003173

appears that it does not include

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003174

an amount that

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003175

uh,

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003176

hire additional personnel

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003177

to implement

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003178

pre-audit.

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003179

Yes,

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003180

wala pa po.

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003181

Why?

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003182

You have agreed that this is a priority

Source

Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003183

in order to

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prevent one.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

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why did you not include it as

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003186

your priority?

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003187

Because I am about to move

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003188

for the augmentation of your fund.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003189

But look,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

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you do not include what you are seeing

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003191

as a priority.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003192

Your Honor,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003193

this wish list is

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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are the items that were not

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003195

considered in the NEP

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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as proposed by COA.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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In addition to this,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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the amount

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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recommended

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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by the Honorable Chair

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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on the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003202

pre-audit,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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we will include in our list,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

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in the wish list.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003205

Mr. Chair,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

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with the

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

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clear answer

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

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of COA

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

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at this stage of the proceedings,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003210

I respectfully move

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003211

that we respectfully ask

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003212

the leadership

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003213

through the Speaker,

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003214

through appropriation

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003215

to augment the budget of COA to address this pressing important issue, priority needs, especially yung fight against corruption. So move, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan

asr-003216

Second. Second.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

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Ah, thank you, uh, Representative Domogan. We have

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003217

now with the last,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003218

but not the least, our minority.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003219

Representative Iris Montes, ma'am.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003220

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003221

Pasensya na po,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003222

hindi natapos kanina yung katanungan ko.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003223

Balik muna po ako, no?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003224

Um, the reason why I'm asking about this, um,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003225

comprehensive, um,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003226

audit, um, annual audit report is that,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003227

um, tutal naman po,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003228

may manifestation na, na,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003229

i-increase ang budget nyo.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003230

Gusto ko pong ipaliwanag

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003231

kung bakit ko gustong, ah, um,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003232

um, talakayin ito.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003233

Kasi napakahalaga

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003234

po

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003235

ng role ninyo.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003236

Alam nyo naman po yan,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003237

especially in,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003238

our oversight functions.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003239

Just imagine po,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003240

kung ang kongreso,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003241

we are equipped

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003242

with the right information

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003243

at the proper time.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003244

Meaning,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003245

during the budget deliberations,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003246

ng mga findings po ninyo.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003247

Mas ma-exercise po namin

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003248

yung role namin

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003249

as legislators.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003250

Mas maiexamine po namin mabuti

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003251

yung mga budget

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003252

ng mga agencies.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003253

Mas malalaman po namin

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003254

kung sinong mga ahensya

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003255

ang compliant

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003256

ng inyong recommendations or not.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003257

We can move for, um,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003258

sa pagbawas ng budget

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003259

ng bawat ahensya

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003260

sa pag-increase

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003261

at hindi nakaasa

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003262

ang kongreso

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003263

sa sinasabi lamang

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003264

na tight fiscal space

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003265

ng DBM

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003266

or ng DOF.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003267

Kami po ay, ah,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003268

malaki po ang role

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003269

ninyong gagampanan

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003270

para magawa din po namin

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003271

yung aming tungkulin.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003272

So balik po ako sa

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003273

on my earlier question,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003274

Yung sinasabing

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003275

niyo po,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003276

yung date na June 30,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003277

yan po ba yung 120 days

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003278

na nakatalaga

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003279

sa citizens charter ninyo?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003280

Meron po kayong citizens charter,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003281

tama po,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003282

as provided or

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003283

required by the ARTA

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003284

and the ease of doing business,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003285

tama po ba ako?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003286

It's just, you know,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003287

a publication that you have

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003288

and it's not really

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003289

religiously followed

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003290

or it's just a compliance tool

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003291

for the COA.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003292

Ah, Mr. Chair,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003293

Honorable,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003294

I think po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003295

yung transparency namin,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003296

it's on the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003297

different process,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003298

but the publication of

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003299

the ARs po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003300

we'll still have to follow

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003301

yung pong sa GAA.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003302

However po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003303

as we said a while ago,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003304

that the ARs

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003305

are already transmitted

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003306

to the respective audities

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003307

or agencies

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003308

as of June 30

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003309

of every year.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003310

And we also provide, uh,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003311

copies of these reports

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003312

to the Oversight Committee po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003313

particularly po sa,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003314

dito po sa Congress

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003315

and the Senate po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003316

What comes later po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003317

is the publication po

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003318

doon sa website natin.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003319

that medyo doon po tayo

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003320

kasi nasanay

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003321

to download yung ARs,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003322

but we follow

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003323

a certain period po

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003324

kasi to

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003325

complete the publication,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003326

yung pong action plan

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003327

nung mga agencies

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003328

regarding po

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003329

sa mga observations

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003330

or findings

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003331

ng maating mga auditors po.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003332

So to complete po yung cycle,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003333

when we publish it to the

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003334

to the website po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003335

kompleto na po yung management comments

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003336

at saka po yung mga

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003337

action plan po nila.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003338

So, and that will take place

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003339

uh, on

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003340

or before po

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003341

ng October 31 po

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003342

this year po,

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003343

Your Honor.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003344

Ibig sabihin po,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003345

ito na lang po siguro,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003346

for the past years

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003347

or sa current year,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003348

compliant po tayo,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003349

hindi po tayo late.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003350

Timely po yung atin.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003351

And then the report,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003352

for instance,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003353

for Congress,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003354

is submitted to where?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003355

The Committee on Approval,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003356

Office of the Speaker,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003357

Office po ni

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003358

Speaker, ano po?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003359

The Speaker daw po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003360

Okay.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003361

Um, siguro,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003362

yung, yung the point I'm trying to

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003363

just raise is that

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003364

we need you in Congress

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003365

to help us do our jobs.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003366

No, if you

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003367

have timely

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003368

and quality

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003369

reports,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003370

hindi lang po siguro technical,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003371

Um, pwede po ba yun?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003372

Is it with,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003373

Um, hindi po ba na,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003374

pwede po ba nyo yung gawin

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003375

na yung halimbawa,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003376

yung report,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003377

yung car,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003378

yung comprehensive,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003379

meron pong,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003380

parang meron kang tracking

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003381

kung sino ang ahensya

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003382

ang hindi sumusunod,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003383

Ilang porsyento lang

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003384

ang compliance.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003385

Halimbawa,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003386

for fiscal year,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003387

since 2020,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003388

itong ahensyang to,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003389

20% lang ang compliance

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003390

so that Congress

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003391

is given the information

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003392

kung sino ang mga ahensyang

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003393

hindi sumusunod,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003394

paulit-ulit lang na

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003395

sumusuway

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003396

o kung pasaway ba talaga, yun po ang kailangan natin.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003397

Quality reports, that would help us determine kung tama ba ang ibinibigay natin.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003398

Pondo, kaya ba nilang gastusin yan?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003399

We talk about yung absorptive capacity and all.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003400

We can see that sa reports, kung may tracking po tayo, tama po.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003401

So yun lamang po ay support yung manifestation na ibigyan po kayo ng nire-request yung MOE.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003402

Pero po, pinapakiusap ko na sana ibigyan natin ng prioridad yung mga pagkakagastusan

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003403

that would help us do our job na mas maging efficient tayo,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003404

mas magkaroon po tayo ng quality, comprehensive annual reports

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003405

na kayang intindihin po ng layman,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003406

kayang intindihin po ng members of Congress

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003407

so that we can help you also do your job.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes

asr-003408

Maraming salamat po, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003409

Representative Montes, salamat po.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003410

I'd like to acknowledge, although belatedly, our Vice Chair, Bernadette Escudero, ma'am.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003411

We now give the floor to our Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriation.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003412

Thank you very much.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003413

Vice Chair Cagas, I just wanted to first of all say thank you to our Vice Chair

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003414

and the Budget Sponsor for COA, Vice Chair John Tracy Cagas,

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003415

for doing such a great job in managing today's hearings.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003416

And you have a very able partner po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003417

Talaga pong sinigurado po namin, Chair, that COA is in great hands with your Budget Sponsor.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003418

And he and we will be your partners.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003419

We've been advocating for the budget of COA until the very end,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003420

from the approval of HGAB to BICAM until GAA.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003421

Alam niyo naman po yan, last year, we helped COA with the requirements sa building.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003422

Kamusta na po ba yung building ninyo, Chair?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003423

Okay na?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003424

Hindi na yung takot na guguho siya at any given point.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003425

Okay, good, good.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003426

Kasi po, last year po,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003427

we asked po, Chair, as to what is the most pressing concern for COA.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003428

And it's really the safety and the well-being of the employees in the building.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003429

So, sana po yung naibigay po natin na additional funding last year.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003430

But now, at least mo kampante na po na hindi na po guguho yung building.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003431

At tagal-tagal na po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003432

1970s pa ba?

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003433

1960s pa yung building.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003434

So, alam niyo po.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003435

We're always your partners.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003436

And you're doing such important work in COA.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003437

As Kong Iris manifested, the output of your work is a great input to us exercising our oversight function.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003438

So, what we can do on our part po is to give you the resources to be able to perform your mandate better.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003439

So, I'm happy to hear po, Chair, na okay na yung building natin.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003440

If I may ask po, because I was looking through the 2027.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003441

For COA.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003442

And ang talagang standout dito is zero yung capital outlay.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003443

And I just wanted to ask po, whether there's a particular explanation that DBM gave as to why the whole proposal for capital outlay was zeroed out.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003444

There was none po, Your Honor.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003445

But all of these po, you indicated here that the proposal included,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003446

it included a 1.17, 1.18 billion proposal.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003447

But there was no explanation po as to why.

Source

Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003448

Kasi iba-iba naman siya.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003449

It's not all ICT.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003450

There's also buildings and vehicles.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003451

But it was all, even the one po in NIR, pati yun hindi nila in-approve.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003452

Yes, one vehicle for the NIR.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003453

Interesting.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003454

Sige po, SDS.

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Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez

asr-003456

Pwede bang mag-conduct kayo ng audit sa DBM?

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Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez

asr-003457

Para siguro palagay ko, bibigay nila yung request nyo.

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Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez

asr-003458

Gawin nyo yun bago mag-budget.

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Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez

asr-003459

Bago niya ibigay sa presidente yung budget.

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Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez

asr-003460

Sa sunod pwede special audit na.

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Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez

asr-003461

Thank you, Che.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003462

Thank you, SDS.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003463

So, just to understand po, because medyo generic po yung pagkalagay dito po sa presentation.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003464

First year implementation of COA ISSP.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003465

For 2027, ah, 2027 to 2029.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003466

Is there a, do you have a road map po?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003467

Because I remember, Chair, this was a conversation that we had last year.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003468

That the previous ICT road map that was commenced a few years prior was no longer up-to-date.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003469

Medyo nagiging obsolete na yung laman ng previous ICT road map.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003470

So, is this a completely new road map?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003471

This is not a continuation of the previous road map that was rendered obsolete.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003472

Yes, Pa.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003473

Yes, Your Honor.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003474

Because this was reviewed by the ICT and endorsed it to DBM.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003475

So, this is a complete road map for five years where we emphasize the digitalization of our day-to-day operations.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003476

Particularly, on the use of the subscription to software.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003477

ICT equipment to enhance the quality of our audit.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan

asr-003478

And this was endorsed by the ICT to DBM.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003479

If we may request for a more detailed...

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003480

Yes.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003481

If we can request a more detailed plan for this, how much?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003482

Because nakikita ko pa, it's 1.18 billion for the entire capital outlay request.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003483

So, if we could get some details on the ICT request.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003484

And then for the building, po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003485

Proposals for buildings.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003486

And other structures and furniture and fixtures.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003487

Originally proposed in 2026.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003488

But was not considered.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003489

May I ask, po, for additional information on that?

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003490

On the building, we have the modernization of the COA main building facade.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003491

Fire protection works.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003492

Renovation of our professional development center building.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003493

And the construction of building in NIR.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003494

Then, we have also the construction of the two-story records of storage building in Ordeneta.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003495

Then, the construction of our three-story office training center and dormitory in Region 9.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003496

And also Region 10.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003497

And the training center and dormitory building in Pisao, Sultan Kudarat.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003498

That's for the building and other structures.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003499

Then, we have also the other structures.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003500

Upgrading of main distribution panel and low voltage switch gear for COA main buildings 1 and 2.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003501

And the upgrading of main distribution panel and low voltage switch gear for various COA central office buildings.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003502

And also the upgrading of our powerhouse for our dormitory.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003503

Then, the furniture and fixtures.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003504

This is for the additional funding for building 2.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003505

And the creation of NIR for the building to be constructed.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003506

Then, the transportation for the three vehicles.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003507

And the ICT equipment.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003508

And software.

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COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras

asr-003509

So, that's for the capital outlay, Your Honor.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003510

Andami po palang components.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003511

So, for us to get a better sense, because given the limited fiscal space,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003512

realistically, we would not be able to fund all.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003513

So, for us to get a better sense, again, may we request for a more detailed list of all of the items under the capital outlay request.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003514

With the corresponding details.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003515

And then, Chair Leal, if I may request lang po, for you to be able to, if it's okay po, if you could give us a list of, like, a list of, essentially a wish list of all the items that were left out in the NEP that COA wishes to advocate for.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003516

Because, as we mentioned before, one of the main reforms that we've done last year in the Committee on Appropriations and here in Congress is we institutionalized a budget amendments review subcommittee

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003517

wherein we are deliberating on the institutional amendment requests emanating from the different agencies.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003518

So, open po yun, kita ng mga kababayan natin line by line, which amendments we are deliberating on and where the funds are going.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003519

So, siguro po, Chair, medyo andami po kasi.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003520

When we receive the wish list po, or the request for institutional amendments, kung saan na po pwede po kung nakaprioritize na po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003521

Because the worst that could happen is if we're able to find additional fiscal space, mali yung malagyan namin na program, hindi naman po pala yun yung priority ng COA.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003522

So, Chair, if we may request for that document, if possible, this week, because we plan on convening the BARC either next week or the week after, before the plenary po, so we can have time to deliberate on them.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003523

Yan po, Chair.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003524

We'll do that po, ma'am. Thank you very much.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003525

Thank you so much po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003526

And then, Chair, lastly, this was something that I also raised last year.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003527

This is with regard to the submission of the COA reports from the previous year to aid us in our analysis of the different agencies for their budgetary requirements for the succeeding year.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003528

So, we checked po, may tatlo na lang po na agencies na kulang.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003529

DPWH, NHA, and Judiciary.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003530

Para po magamit po namin, we can leverage on the COA audit reports as we do our assessment and scrutiny of the budget of the different agencies.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003531

So, aside from their budget utilization rates, yung audit reports, magamit din po namin na basihan.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003532

Yung audit findings, para po magamit din po namin basihan kung saan po natin ilalagay yung pondo.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003533

So, i-request po namin, Chair, lalo na nandito yung DPWH, if we may receive that as soon as possible po.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003534

Yesterday po, ma'am, nasubmit na daw po ang DPWH.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003535

I'll check yung NHA and Judiciary.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003536

But the...

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003537

Ah, submitted na daw po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003538

Okay.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003539

Anong wala na lang?

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003540

Dito daw po. Dito daw po, your honors.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003541

But if kailangan po, we can resend it naman po.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003542

Magpadala lang po kami ulit.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003543

Padala lang tayo.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003544

Sige po, we'll do that.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003545

Thank you, thank you so much, Chair Liel.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003546

Because, and thank you po, I would like to say thank you to COA also because that was a big request from our end last year.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003547

And linagay po natin yun as a special provision in the GAI.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003548

And we're so grateful to COA for saying yes to that because we wanted to advance, essentially,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003549

the COA audit reports na ma-furnish po ng kopya yung Kongreso para po magamit po namin sa pag-deliberate po namin sa budget.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003550

So, thank you po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003551

We'll take a look at that po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003552

We'll just coordinate po with COA.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003553

But we will, to be sure po, we'll resubmit also.

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COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba

asr-003554

We'll send po tomorrow morning again.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003555

Thank you, thank you so much po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003556

That would be very, very helpful for us po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003557

Sakto din po kasi DPWH budget hearing din po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003558

Bukas.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003559

So, at least po, we have that as a point of reference.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003560

And again, that goes to show po the important role that COA plays in all of these.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003561

Thank you po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003562

You really are our partners in all of this.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003563

And we're so grateful po for your work kasi, again, we're able to perform our oversight functions better because po of the, of the output of COA.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003564

So, yun lang po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003565

Chair,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003566

We'll just coordinate po on the wish list.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003567

Hopefully po, the more details there are, the better.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003568

So, we're better informed po when we make our...

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003569

May mga Barsi members po tayo na nandito.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003570

Ayan si SDS kasama.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003571

Ayan, mag-manifest si SDS na I support the increase.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003572

Ayan, nag-ready na po ng microphone si SDS.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003573

But, again, lahat po kami ng mga kasamahan namin dito.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003574

I believe that was really what was

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003575

manifested by a lot of our colleagues this afternoon, is that we're grateful to COA for all the great work you're doing for our country.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003576

You're helping all of the agencies.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003577

You're helping us make better informed decisions on how to move forward with the programs and projects.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003578

You're helping keep everyone accountable po to make sure that we are doing our work as well.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003579

And, again, as I mentioned earlier, the best way that we could thank you po is to give you the resources.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003580

To be able to perform remanded better po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003581

So, Chair Liel, and to the COA family, we're here po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003582

We are your partners.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003583

We will help advocate po for...

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003584

a better resourced

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003585

COA. I don't want to commit

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003586

yet on a higher

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003587

budget for COA, but

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003588

alam niyo naman po yan, if we're able po,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003589

we will. Kaya po we really

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003590

need that list po to inform

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003591

us. So I won't keep everyone

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003592

any longer na po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003593

Again, thank you to the COA

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003594

family. Thank you, Chair

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003595

Liel, and

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003596

to our colleagues and to

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003597

the COA family.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003598

I will...

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Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero

asr-003598-split-1

Madam Chair?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003599

Yes, go ahead po.

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Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero

asr-003599-split-1

Madam Chair, may I move

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Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero

asr-003600

that we terminate the budget briefing of the

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Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero

asr-003601

Commission on Audit?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003602

We'll, ano po, we'll

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003603

defer po to our Vice Chairperson

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003604

Cong. John Tracy Cagas

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003605

to rule on that motion. Bring it home po,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003606

Vice Chair.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003606-split-1

I second

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003607

the motion, Madam Chair.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003608

It has been moved and seconded.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003609

The motion is carried.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003610

One more motion pa po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003611

Sorry,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

asr-003612

before we can go home.

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Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero

asr-003613

Mr. Chair, I move that

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Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero

asr-003614

we suspend the committee proceedings here at

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Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero

asr-003615

the Andaya Hall, and we will resume tomorrow,

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Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero

asr-003616

August 28 at 9 a.m.

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Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero

asr-003617

I so move, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003618

It has been moved and

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003619

duly seconded. The committee proceedings

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003620

are hereby suspended here

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003621

at the Andaya Hall, and will resume tomorrow,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003622

August 26, 2026,

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Rep. John Tracy F. Cagas

asr-003623

at 9 a.m.