WEBVTT asr-000035 00:07:05.940 --> 00:07:09.900 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed. Majority Leader. asr-000035-split-2 00:07:09.900 --> 00:07:25.920 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, considering that copies of Journal No. 7 dated September 7 to 9, 2026 were already distributed to the members, I move to dispense with the reading thereof and subsequently to approve the said journal. asr-000036 00:07:25.940 --> 00:07:27.120 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Is there an objection? asr-000037 00:07:27.820 --> 00:07:30.020 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The chair hears none. The motion is approved. asr-000038 00:07:30.640 --> 00:07:38.380 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The reading of the said journal is dispensed with and journal number 7 dated September 7 to 9, 2026 is hereby approved. asr-000039 00:07:39.540 --> 00:07:40.340 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader? asr-000040 00:07:41.100 --> 00:07:53.280 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, I move to take up additional reference of business and may I request the Secretary General be directed to read the titles of bills, resolutions on first reading, as well as communications and committee. asr-000041 00:07:53.580 --> 00:07:54.800 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Is there an objection? asr-000042 00:07:55.100 --> 00:07:55.800 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The chair hears none. asr-000043 00:07:55.800 --> 00:08:08.640 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Secretary General is directed to read the titles of bills and resolutions on first reading, as well as messages, communications, and committee reports for referral to the appropriate committees. asr-000044 00:08:10.080 --> 00:08:12.040 Secretary-General: Additional reference of business. asr-000045 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:14.140 Secretary-General: Bills on first reading. asr-000046 00:08:14.960 --> 00:08:24.780 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11243, further amending the Magna Carta for PWDs to provide for the lifetime validity of ID cards issued to persons with permanent disability. asr-000047 00:08:24.780 --> 00:08:26.640 Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares. asr-000048 00:08:27.140 --> 00:08:30.000 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Special Committee on Persons with Disabilities. asr-000049 00:08:30.900 --> 00:08:37.560 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11244, instituting a comprehensive housing program for public school teachers. asr-000050 00:08:37.920 --> 00:08:38.780 Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares. asr-000051 00:08:39.740 --> 00:08:41.620 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Housing and Urban Development. asr-000052 00:08:42.560 --> 00:08:49.820 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11245, prohibiting the pass-through and recovery of system loss charges from electricity consumers. asr-000053 00:08:50.160 --> 00:08:51.700 Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares. asr-000054 00:08:52.160 --> 00:08:53.140 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Energy. asr-000055 00:08:53.700 --> 00:08:54.760 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11245, prohibiting the pass-through and recovery of system loss charges from electricity consumers. asr-000056 00:08:54.760 --> 00:09:08.140 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11246, prohibiting threatening, harassing, coercive, and abusive debt collection practices by online lending applications, digital credit providers, financing companies, lending companies, and other similar entities. asr-000057 00:09:08.520 --> 00:09:09.840 Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares. asr-000058 00:09:10.180 --> 00:09:11.760 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Banks and Financial Intermediaries. asr-000059 00:09:13.060 --> 00:09:21.680 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11247, providing incentives and financial assistance for the modernization of public utility jeepneys and tricycles, asr-000060 00:09:21.680 --> 00:09:24.680 Secretary-General: ensuring the protection of drivers and small transport operators, asr-000061 00:09:24.760 --> 00:09:26.140 Secretary-General: during the transition. asr-000062 00:09:26.660 --> 00:09:28.060 Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares. asr-000063 00:09:28.580 --> 00:09:29.900 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Transportation. asr-000064 00:09:30.760 --> 00:09:35.940 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11248, strengthening the mental health services of SUCs. asr-000065 00:09:36.300 --> 00:09:37.620 Secretary-General: For Representative Tianko. asr-000066 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.540 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Higher and Technical Education. asr-000067 00:09:41.300 --> 00:09:46.460 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11249, reestablishing the Presidential Commission on Good Government, asr-000068 00:09:46.940 --> 00:09:49.360 Secretary-General: creating the Anti-Corruption and Forfeiture Commission. asr-000069 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:51.720 Secretary-General: For Representative Tan Keith Maika. asr-000070 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.720 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Justice and the Committee on Government Reorganization, asr-000071 00:09:55.520 --> 00:10:01.620 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11250, further strengthening the Anti-Money-Laundering Council. asr-000072 00:10:02.040 --> 00:10:03.800 Secretary-General: For Representative Tan Keith Maika. asr-000073 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.800 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Banks and Financial Intermediaries. asr-000074 00:10:07.540 --> 00:10:13.660 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11251, establishing a DFA Passport Satellite Office in Lilawan, Cebu. asr-000075 00:10:14.040 --> 00:10:15.400 Secretary-General: For Representative Prasco. asr-000076 00:10:15.740 --> 00:10:17.240 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Foreign Affairs. asr-000077 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:22.700 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11252, establishing the Philippine Safe Sports Center, asr-000078 00:10:23.180 --> 00:10:24.740 Secretary-General: institutionalizing a national airport, asr-000079 00:10:24.760 --> 00:10:26.200 Secretary-General: and the Athlete Safeguarding System. asr-000080 00:10:26.640 --> 00:10:27.800 Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal. asr-000081 00:10:28.180 --> 00:10:30.120 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Youth and Sports Development. asr-000082 00:10:30.900 --> 00:10:36.220 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11253, promoting urban flood resilience and rainwater harvesting asr-000083 00:10:36.220 --> 00:10:40.480 Secretary-General: through the adoption of a National Urban Drainage and Runoff Management Code. asr-000084 00:10:40.820 --> 00:10:42.000 Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal. asr-000085 00:10:42.400 --> 00:10:44.180 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Public Works and Highways. asr-000086 00:10:45.060 --> 00:10:50.480 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11254, declaring it a policy of the State to provide universal access asr-000087 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:54.440 Secretary-General: to reliable, affordable, and environmentally sustainable electricity. asr-000088 00:10:54.760 --> 00:11:00.420 Secretary-General: Establishing a comprehensive program for the solar electrification of barangays that remain off-grid. asr-000089 00:11:00.740 --> 00:11:01.880 Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal. asr-000090 00:11:02.300 --> 00:11:03.340 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Energy. asr-000091 00:11:03.800 --> 00:11:10.060 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11255, recognizing motorcycles as public utility vehicles. asr-000092 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:11.300 Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal. asr-000093 00:11:11.760 --> 00:11:12.900 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Transportation. asr-000094 00:11:13.800 --> 00:11:19.940 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11256, prohibiting the direct or indirect recovery from water consumers asr-000095 00:11:19.940 --> 00:11:24.180 Secretary-General: of costs attributable to non-revenue water, requiring water service providers asr-000096 00:11:24.180 --> 00:11:27.140 Secretary-General: to reduce and publicly disclose water losses. asr-000097 00:11:27.560 --> 00:11:28.620 Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal. asr-000098 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:30.800 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Public Works and Highways. asr-000099 00:11:31.500 --> 00:11:36.640 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11257, establishing the Overseas Filipino Workers Pension Fund asr-000100 00:11:36.640 --> 00:11:39.480 Secretary-General: to provide pension to overseas Filipino workers. asr-000101 00:11:39.880 --> 00:11:41.000 Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal. asr-000102 00:11:41.300 --> 00:11:43.120 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Overseas Workers Affairs. asr-000103 00:11:43.620 --> 00:11:49.980 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11258, strengthening government support for the digital transformation of MSMEs asr-000104 00:11:49.980 --> 00:11:52.640 Secretary-General: through e-commerce and responsible use of AI. asr-000105 00:11:52.640 --> 00:11:53.640 Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal. asr-000106 00:11:54.180 --> 00:11:57.180 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Micro-Small and Medium Enterprise Development. asr-000107 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:03.960 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11259, promoting the widespread use of solar power among Filipinos, asr-000108 00:12:04.400 --> 00:12:09.180 Secretary-General: providing incentives for solar energy adoption, establishing the Solar Power Access Program. asr-000109 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:10.180 Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal. asr-000110 00:12:10.940 --> 00:12:11.960 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Energy. asr-000111 00:12:13.400 --> 00:12:14.080 Secretary-General: Resolution. asr-000112 00:12:14.980 --> 00:12:21.140 Secretary-General: House Resolution 1442, congratulating and commending Lea Salonga for her historic achievement asr-000113 00:12:21.140 --> 00:12:24.140 Secretary-General: as the first Filipina to receive a star on the Hollywood... asr-000114 00:12:24.180 --> 00:12:29.500 Secretary-General: Walk of Fame, and recognizing her extraordinary contributions to the performing arts, asr-000115 00:12:29.500 --> 00:12:32.060 Secretary-General: Filipino culture, and global entertainment. asr-000116 00:12:32.060 --> 00:12:33.640 Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares. asr-000117 00:12:33.640 --> 00:12:36.640 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Special Committee on Creative Industries. asr-000118 00:12:36.640 --> 00:12:38.640 Secretary-General: Committee Reports. asr-000119 00:12:38.640 --> 00:12:44.500 Secretary-General: Committee Report No. 639 and 640, submitted by the Committee on Legislative Franchises, asr-000120 00:12:44.500 --> 00:12:48.500 Secretary-General: on House Bill No. 11310 and 11311. asr-000121 00:12:48.500 --> 00:12:50.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Rules. asr-000122 00:12:50.500 --> 00:12:52.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader. asr-000123 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:53.800 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker. asr-000124 00:12:53.800 --> 00:12:57.620 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: On the part of the majority, I move to nominate and elect asr-000125 00:12:57.620 --> 00:13:01.700 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committee on Appropriations as Vice Chairperson, asr-000126 00:13:01.700 --> 00:13:05.820 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Representative Carl Fernandez Legazpi. asr-000127 00:13:05.820 --> 00:13:09.420 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: An objection? Hearing none, the motion is approved. asr-000128 00:13:09.420 --> 00:13:12.420 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Honorable Carl Legazpi of Pinoy Workers Party asr-000129 00:13:12.420 --> 00:13:17.320 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: is hereby elected as Vice Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations. asr-000130 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:18.160 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader. asr-000131 00:13:18.160 --> 00:13:21.060 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to suspend session for a few minutes. asr-000132 00:13:21.060 --> 00:13:22.060 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session suspended. asr-000243 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:58.000 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed. asr-000244 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.000 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader. asr-000245 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:15.340 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, before we proceed with the sponsorship and plenary deliberations on House Bill No. 10858, I move to recognize the Hon. Perci Cendaña of Akbayan Partylist for a brief manifestation. asr-000246 00:56:16.220 --> 00:56:21.920 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Hon. Perci Cendaña of Akbayan Partylist is hereby recognized for his manifestation. asr-000247 00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:34.660 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Maraming salamat, Madam Speaker. Magandang hapon po sa ating mga kasamahan dito sa kapulongan ito at sa mga kababayan nating nanonood ngayon, lalong-lalo na ang mga miyembro ng Civil Society Organization. asr-000248 00:56:35.520 --> 00:56:42.720 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Madam Speaker, my dear colleagues, this representation would like to raise an important concern from our Civil Society Organization. asr-000249 00:56:43.540 --> 00:56:51.900 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Last year po, nagkaroon tayo ng guidelines on CSO participation. Ito po ang chinampion ng ating good chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations. asr-000250 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:59.620 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Chair Mika Suansing. Hindi naman po ito bago. May ganito na rin pong effort noong 15 Congress in 2006. asr-000251 00:57:00.660 --> 00:57:08.360 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: It seems that while we are driving towards the right direction, this year, parang biglang nag-U-turn po tayo. asr-000252 00:57:09.260 --> 00:57:18.580 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Our CSOs are sharing their frustration about how they are being treated in the budget process for the 2027 General Appropriations Bill. asr-000253 00:57:18.580 --> 00:57:21.900 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sa isang inquiry article, asr-000254 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:31.600 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: nabanggit po ng mga CSO na sila daw ay na-seen zone, ni hindi nalaman that we adopted last year's guidelines until week 2 of our budget deliberations. asr-000255 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:36.800 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Tapos ngayon, parang naghahabol tayo to bring them and draw them in. asr-000256 00:57:37.520 --> 00:57:42.400 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Kaya po ang tanong natin, Madam Speaker, my dear colleagues, aniyari? asr-000257 00:57:43.220 --> 00:57:46.700 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Saan po tayo nagkaroon ng gap in terms of coordinating with our CSOs? asr-000258 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:51.320 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Wala na bang mas makabulang participation than their questions being read out? asr-000259 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:56.540 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Will CSOs be informed and involved at sa magiging amendments sa budget through the BAR-C? asr-000260 00:57:57.080 --> 00:58:04.740 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: And most importantly, nagkaroon lang po ba ng guidelines on CSO participation last year dahil nabuking ang flood control projects? asr-000261 00:58:05.620 --> 00:58:15.260 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sa totoo lamang po, Madam Speaker, napakahalagan na ang transparency in winning back the confidence of our people in the budget process in this House. asr-000262 00:58:15.500 --> 00:58:21.600 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: What we began last year was a very significant and important step and we have to learn from that. asr-000263 00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:26.520 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: And from the unfortunate experiences of our CSO representatives this year. asr-000264 00:58:27.300 --> 00:58:32.380 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: We hope that it's not too late for the House leadership to take this matter seriously and act on it. asr-000265 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:36.060 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Hindi na pwedeng ipalusot lang sa kanila na we're still learning. asr-000266 00:58:36.600 --> 00:58:43.660 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Pera ng taong bayan, sa bulsa ng mamamayang Pilipino galing, ang pinag-uusapan nating P7.2 trillion na ito. asr-000267 00:58:43.660 --> 00:58:51.560 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sa dulo po, hayaan po natin ang meaningful participation ng civil society organizations to define the kind of budget, asr-000268 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:53.500 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: that our country really needs. asr-000269 00:58:53.500 --> 00:58:55.500 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Marami pong salamat, Madam Speaker. asr-000270 00:58:57.300 --> 00:58:58.620 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader. asr-000271 00:58:58.620 --> 00:59:09.200 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, under the calendar of business for the day, I move to consider House Bill No. 10858 as contained in Committee Report No. 638, asr-000272 00:59:09.200 --> 00:59:17.640 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: submitted by the Committee on Appropriations, and for this purpose, may request the Secretary-General be directed to read the title of the measure. asr-000273 00:59:17.640 --> 00:59:19.640 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: An objection? asr-000274 00:59:19.640 --> 00:59:21.640 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Hearing none, the Secretary-General is hereby asr-000275 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:25.920 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: directed to read the title of House Bill No. 10858. asr-000276 00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:38.780 Secretary-General: House Bill No. 10858, an Act Appropriating Funds for the Operation of the Government of the Republic of the Philippines from January 1 to December 31, 2027. asr-000277 00:59:41.780 --> 00:59:42.680 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader. asr-000278 00:59:42.680 --> 00:59:48.680 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to open the period of sponsorship and debate on general principles and provisions. asr-000279 00:59:49.540 --> 00:59:50.720 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: An objection? asr-000280 00:59:50.720 --> 00:59:51.760 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Hearing none, said motion is approved. asr-000284 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:56.260 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The period of sponsorship and debate on general principles is hereby opened. asr-000285 00:59:59.350 --> 00:59:59.800 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker. asr-000286 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.920 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: I move to recognize the Chairperson asr-000287 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:04.420 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of the Committee on Appropriations asr-000288 01:00:04.420 --> 01:00:06.340 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Representative asr-000289 01:00:06.340 --> 01:00:08.420 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mikaela Angela B. Suansing asr-000290 01:00:08.420 --> 01:00:10.240 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of the 1st District of Nueva Ecija asr-000291 01:00:10.240 --> 01:00:11.320 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Any objection? asr-000292 01:00:11.820 --> 01:00:14.160 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Hearing none, the Honorable Swansing is hereby recognized asr-000293 01:00:14.160 --> 01:00:16.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much asr-000294 01:00:16.540 --> 01:00:17.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker asr-000295 01:00:17.340 --> 01:00:20.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleagues asr-000296 01:00:20.620 --> 01:00:22.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Esteemed Members of the asr-000297 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Development Budget Coordination Committee asr-000298 01:00:24.240 --> 01:00:25.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or the DBCC asr-000299 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:27.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Fellow Public Servants asr-000300 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:30.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Partners from Civil Society Organizations asr-000301 01:00:30.140 --> 01:00:32.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and to the Filipino public asr-000302 01:00:32.180 --> 01:00:34.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: closely watching today's deliberations asr-000303 01:00:34.660 --> 01:00:36.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Magandang araw po sa ating lahat asr-000304 01:00:36.980 --> 01:00:38.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Today, we open asr-000305 01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:40.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the plenary deliberations asr-000306 01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:42.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the Fiscal Year 2027 asr-000307 01:00:42.660 --> 01:00:44.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: General Appropriations Bill asr-000308 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The backbone of our fiscal policy asr-000309 01:00:47.120 --> 01:00:48.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the clearest mirror asr-000310 01:00:48.660 --> 01:00:50.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our government's priorities asr-000311 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:52.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The Constitution entrusts asr-000312 01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:55.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Congress with the power of the purse asr-000313 01:00:55.120 --> 01:00:57.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: A solemn responsibility asr-000314 01:00:57.160 --> 01:00:58.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that demands integrity asr-000315 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:00.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and vigilance asr-000316 01:01:00.080 --> 01:01:02.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The plenary deliberations asr-000317 01:01:02.020 --> 01:01:03.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the General Appropriations Bill asr-000318 01:01:03.720 --> 01:01:05.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are among the greatest exercises asr-000319 01:01:05.980 --> 01:01:07.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our democracy asr-000320 01:01:07.260 --> 01:01:09.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The spirited debates asr-000321 01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:12.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that will result from these discussions asr-000322 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:13.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: should ensure asr-000323 01:01:13.820 --> 01:01:15.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that the General Appropriations Act asr-000324 01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:17.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will represent the priorities asr-000325 01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:20.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and necessities of every Filipino asr-000326 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: from every corner of our archipelago asr-000327 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:24.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Our challenge asr-000328 01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:26.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is to ask the difficult questions asr-000329 01:01:26.780 --> 01:01:28.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: test every assumption asr-000330 01:01:28.780 --> 01:01:30.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and demand full justification asr-000331 01:01:30.780 --> 01:01:32.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for every line item on the budget asr-000332 01:01:32.780 --> 01:01:34.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to ensure that every peso asr-000333 01:01:34.780 --> 01:01:36.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is grounded in science asr-000334 01:01:36.780 --> 01:01:38.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: feasibility asr-000335 01:01:38.780 --> 01:01:40.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and genuine need asr-000336 01:01:40.780 --> 01:01:42.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na ang bawat linya sa HGAB asr-000337 01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:44.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay may saysay asr-000338 01:01:44.780 --> 01:01:46.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tiyak na kapaki-pakinabang asr-000339 01:01:46.780 --> 01:01:48.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at direkta ang makakabuti asr-000340 01:01:48.780 --> 01:01:50.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa bawat pamilyang Pilipino asr-000341 01:01:50.780 --> 01:01:52.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We deliberate on the proposed asr-000342 01:01:52.780 --> 01:01:54.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 7.2 trillion peso asr-000343 01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:56.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the government of the Philippines asr-000344 01:01:56.500 --> 01:01:58.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the fiscal year 2027 asr-000345 01:01:58.500 --> 01:02:00.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: national budget asr-000346 01:02:00.500 --> 01:02:02.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under a challenging fiscal landscape asr-000347 01:02:02.500 --> 01:02:04.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The country is grappling asr-000348 01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:06.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with slower economic growth asr-000349 01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:08.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: inflationary pressures asr-000350 01:02:08.500 --> 01:02:10.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: rising debt obligations asr-000351 01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:12.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: geopolitical conflict asr-000352 01:02:12.500 --> 01:02:14.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: volatile fuel prices asr-000353 01:02:14.500 --> 01:02:16.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and climate-related risks asr-000354 01:02:16.500 --> 01:02:18.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: all of which place greater constraints asr-000355 01:02:18.500 --> 01:02:20.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on our fiscal space asr-000356 01:02:20.500 --> 01:02:22.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The DBCC has anchored asr-000357 01:02:22.500 --> 01:02:24.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the proposed fiscal year 2027 budget asr-000358 01:02:24.500 --> 01:02:26.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on the following assumptions asr-000359 01:02:26.500 --> 01:02:28.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and projections asr-000360 01:02:28.500 --> 01:02:30.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: GDP growth at 5-6% asr-000361 01:02:30.500 --> 01:02:32.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: inflation within 4-5% asr-000362 01:02:32.500 --> 01:02:34.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: fiscal deficit asr-000363 01:02:34.500 --> 01:02:36.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at 5.1% of GDP asr-000364 01:02:36.500 --> 01:02:38.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: debt to GDP ratio asr-000365 01:02:38.500 --> 01:02:40.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of 64.6% asr-000366 01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:42.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Our goal asr-000367 01:02:42.500 --> 01:02:44.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: over the course of these deliberations asr-000368 01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:46.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is to craft a asr-000369 01:02:46.500 --> 01:02:48.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 national budget asr-000370 01:02:48.500 --> 01:02:50.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that would accelerate growth asr-000371 01:02:50.500 --> 01:02:52.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: despite this challenging fiscal landscape asr-000372 01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:54.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which would give due consideration asr-000373 01:02:54.500 --> 01:02:56.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and prioritization asr-000374 01:02:56.500 --> 01:02:58.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the pressing needs asr-000375 01:02:58.500 --> 01:03:00.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our most salient social asr-000376 01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:02.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and economic sectors asr-000377 01:03:02.500 --> 01:03:04.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It is our objective asr-000378 01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:06.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to ensure that every aspect asr-000379 01:03:06.500 --> 01:03:08.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the budget must act towards asr-000380 01:03:08.500 --> 01:03:10.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: capacitating every Filipino asr-000381 01:03:10.500 --> 01:03:12.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: through quality education asr-000382 01:03:12.500 --> 01:03:14.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and health care asr-000383 01:03:14.500 --> 01:03:16.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: stronger social services asr-000384 01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:18.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: quality jobs asr-000385 01:03:18.500 --> 01:03:20.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in conjunction to ensuring food and energy security asr-000386 01:03:20.500 --> 01:03:22.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: critical infrastructure asr-000387 01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:24.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and climate resilience asr-000388 01:03:24.500 --> 01:03:26.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The proposed fiscal year asr-000389 01:03:26.500 --> 01:03:28.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 General Appropriations Bill asr-000390 01:03:28.500 --> 01:03:30.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: was crafted in line asr-000391 01:03:30.500 --> 01:03:32.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with the goals asr-000392 01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:34.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the Philippine Development Plan asr-000393 01:03:34.500 --> 01:03:36.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2023 to 2028 asr-000394 01:03:36.500 --> 01:03:38.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and our ambition asr-000395 01:03:38.500 --> 01:03:40.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2040 asr-000396 01:03:40.500 --> 01:03:42.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the theme asr-000397 01:03:42.500 --> 01:03:44.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: People-Centered Growth asr-000398 01:03:44.500 --> 01:03:46.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for an Inclusive and Resilient Future asr-000399 01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:48.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Under the proposed fiscal year asr-000400 01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:50.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 General Appropriations Bill asr-000401 01:03:50.500 --> 01:03:52.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: education currently has an allocation asr-000402 01:03:52.500 --> 01:03:54.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of 1.326 trillion pesos asr-000403 01:03:54.500 --> 01:03:56.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: across basic asr-000404 01:03:56.500 --> 01:03:58.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: higher and technical asr-000405 01:03:58.500 --> 01:04:00.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: vocational education asr-000406 01:04:00.500 --> 01:04:02.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: representing a strong commitment asr-000407 01:04:02.500 --> 01:04:04.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to invest in our next generation asr-000408 01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:06.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Health remains a central priority asr-000409 01:04:06.500 --> 01:04:08.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with a current allocation asr-000410 01:04:08.500 --> 01:04:10.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of 353.76 billion pesos asr-000411 01:04:10.500 --> 01:04:12.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: across the Department of Health asr-000412 01:04:12.500 --> 01:04:14.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: PhilHealth asr-000413 01:04:14.500 --> 01:04:16.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and our specialty hospitals asr-000414 01:04:16.500 --> 01:04:18.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: To directly support asr-000415 01:04:18.500 --> 01:04:20.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the most vulnerable families asr-000416 01:04:20.500 --> 01:04:22.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and to provide timely aid asr-000417 01:04:22.500 --> 01:04:24.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for various sectors asr-000418 01:04:24.500 --> 01:04:26.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Department of Social Welfare and Development asr-000419 01:04:26.500 --> 01:04:28.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: has allocated asr-000420 01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:30.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a total allocation asr-000421 01:04:30.500 --> 01:04:32.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of 241.56 billion pesos asr-000422 01:04:32.500 --> 01:04:34.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The Agriculture and Agrarian Reform Sector asr-000423 01:04:34.500 --> 01:04:36.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is currently allocated asr-000424 01:04:36.500 --> 01:04:38.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 276.57 billion pesos asr-000425 01:04:38.500 --> 01:04:40.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: towards ensuring food security asr-000426 01:04:40.500 --> 01:04:42.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the welfare asr-000427 01:04:42.500 --> 01:04:44.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our beloved farmers asr-000428 01:04:44.500 --> 01:04:46.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and fisherfolk asr-000429 01:04:46.500 --> 01:04:48.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The allocations for these asr-000430 01:04:48.500 --> 01:04:50.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as well as other sectors asr-000431 01:04:50.500 --> 01:04:52.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will be subjected to further asr-000432 01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:54.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: rigorous scrutiny asr-000433 01:04:54.500 --> 01:04:56.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: over the course of the plenary deliberations asr-000434 01:04:56.500 --> 01:04:58.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The final allocations asr-000435 01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:00.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are truly reflective of asr-000436 01:05:00.500 --> 01:05:02.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and responsive to the needs asr-000437 01:05:02.500 --> 01:05:04.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our kababayan asr-000438 01:05:04.500 --> 01:05:06.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Bukod po dito asr-000439 01:05:06.500 --> 01:05:08.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: alinsunod sa panawagan asr-000440 01:05:08.500 --> 01:05:10.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating mga kababayan asr-000441 01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:12.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na mas maging bukas ang proseso asr-000442 01:05:12.500 --> 01:05:14.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng pagbuon ng budget asr-000443 01:05:14.500 --> 01:05:16.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: matagumpay pong sinimulan asr-000444 01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:18.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng inyong Kongreso noong nakaraang taon asr-000445 01:05:18.500 --> 01:05:20.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang mga mahalagang reforma asr-000446 01:05:20.500 --> 01:05:22.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We enacted a series asr-000447 01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:24.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of structural reforms asr-000448 01:05:24.500 --> 01:05:26.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that place transparency asr-000449 01:05:26.500 --> 01:05:28.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and accountability asr-000450 01:05:28.500 --> 01:05:30.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and public participation asr-000451 01:05:30.500 --> 01:05:32.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at the center of our budget process asr-000452 01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:34.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At ang ating mga magagandang na simulan asr-000453 01:05:34.500 --> 01:05:36.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong nakaraang taon asr-000454 01:05:36.500 --> 01:05:38.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ipinagpapatuloy po natin asr-000455 01:05:38.500 --> 01:05:40.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa pagbuon ng budget asr-000456 01:05:40.500 --> 01:05:42.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para sa taong 2027 asr-000457 01:05:42.500 --> 01:05:44.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Having successfully abolished asr-000458 01:05:44.500 --> 01:05:46.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Small Committee asr-000459 01:05:46.500 --> 01:05:48.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and constituting asr-000460 01:05:48.500 --> 01:05:50.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Budget Amendments Review Subcommittee asr-000461 01:05:50.500 --> 01:05:52.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or BARC last year asr-000462 01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:54.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the BARC will once again asr-000463 01:05:54.500 --> 01:05:56.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deliberate on amendments asr-000464 01:05:56.500 --> 01:05:58.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the 2027 HGAB asr-000465 01:05:58.500 --> 01:06:00.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in a manner that is asr-000466 01:06:00.500 --> 01:06:02.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: open and transparent to the public asr-000467 01:06:02.500 --> 01:06:04.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The BARC will work asr-000468 01:06:04.500 --> 01:06:06.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: over the next few weeks asr-000469 01:06:06.500 --> 01:06:08.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in crafting refinements asr-000470 01:06:08.500 --> 01:06:10.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the General Appropriations Bill asr-000471 01:06:10.500 --> 01:06:12.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that will be put forth asr-000472 01:06:12.500 --> 01:06:14.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: later on asr-000473 01:06:14.500 --> 01:06:16.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the consideration asr-000474 01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:18.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the House asr-000475 01:06:18.500 --> 01:06:20.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: before the House General Appropriations Bill asr-000476 01:06:20.500 --> 01:06:22.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is approved on second reading asr-000477 01:06:22.500 --> 01:06:24.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This Congress asr-000478 01:06:24.500 --> 01:06:26.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: has continually engaged asr-000479 01:06:26.500 --> 01:06:28.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with civil society organizations asr-000480 01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:30.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: over the course of these deliberations asr-000481 01:06:30.500 --> 01:06:32.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and conducted asr-000482 01:06:32.500 --> 01:06:34.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the second People's Budget Review asr-000483 01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:36.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: before the start asr-000484 01:06:36.500 --> 01:06:38.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of these debates asr-000485 01:06:38.500 --> 01:06:40.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Moreover, asr-000486 01:06:40.500 --> 01:06:42.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are happy to report that asr-000487 01:06:42.500 --> 01:06:44.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Civil Society Organization asr-000488 01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:46.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and People's Organization Corner asr-000489 01:06:46.500 --> 01:06:48.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is now live asr-000490 01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:50.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the House of Representatives asr-000491 01:06:50.500 --> 01:06:52.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: website asr-000492 01:06:52.500 --> 01:06:54.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and that is asr-000493 01:06:54.500 --> 01:06:56.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a portal through which asr-000494 01:06:56.500 --> 01:06:58.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our civil society organization partners asr-000495 01:06:58.500 --> 01:07:00.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: can access all pertinent documents asr-000496 01:07:00.500 --> 01:07:02.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for example asr-000497 01:07:02.500 --> 01:07:04.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a copy of the House General Appropriations Bill asr-000498 01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:06.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the copy of the schedules asr-000499 01:07:06.500 --> 01:07:08.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the videos asr-000500 01:07:08.500 --> 01:07:10.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the links to all the livestreams asr-000501 01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:12.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of committee and plenary asr-000502 01:07:12.500 --> 01:07:14.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as well as BARC deliberations asr-000503 01:07:14.500 --> 01:07:16.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We want to engage asr-000504 01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:18.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: civil society organizations asr-000505 01:07:18.500 --> 01:07:20.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meaningfully Madam Speaker asr-000506 01:07:20.500 --> 01:07:22.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and we are taking all asr-000507 01:07:22.500 --> 01:07:24.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the steps we could asr-000508 01:07:24.500 --> 01:07:26.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to make that happen asr-000509 01:07:26.500 --> 01:07:28.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Moreover, asr-000510 01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:30.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are coordinating with our counterparts asr-000511 01:07:30.500 --> 01:07:32.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the Senate to open the asr-000512 01:07:32.500 --> 01:07:34.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Bicameral Conference Committee Proceedings asr-000513 01:07:34.500 --> 01:07:36.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the public for the second year asr-000514 01:07:36.500 --> 01:07:38.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in history asr-000515 01:07:38.500 --> 01:07:40.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Matibay po ang paninindigan asr-000516 01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:42.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng inyong Kongreso na asr-000517 01:07:42.500 --> 01:07:44.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tanggalin ang tabing asr-000518 01:07:44.500 --> 01:07:46.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa usaping budget asr-000519 01:07:46.500 --> 01:07:48.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at talagang ipakita kung asr-000520 01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:50.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: saan napupunta ang bawat piso asr-000521 01:07:50.500 --> 01:07:52.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng buwis na mula sa dugo asr-000522 01:07:52.500 --> 01:07:54.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at pawis ng bawat Pilipino. asr-000523 01:07:54.500 --> 01:07:56.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker asr-000524 01:07:56.500 --> 01:07:58.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished colleagues asr-000525 01:07:58.500 --> 01:08:00.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This budget asr-000526 01:08:00.500 --> 01:08:02.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: must be more than a spreadsheet of numbers asr-000527 01:08:02.500 --> 01:08:04.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It must be a asr-000528 01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:06.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: covenant of accountability asr-000529 01:08:06.500 --> 01:08:08.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This budget must embody asr-000530 01:08:08.500 --> 01:08:10.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our collective resolve asr-000531 01:08:10.500 --> 01:08:12.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to build a stronger and better asr-000532 01:08:12.500 --> 01:08:14.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: future for every Filipino asr-000533 01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:16.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This budget needs asr-000534 01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:18.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to hold a hope for a nation asr-000535 01:08:18.500 --> 01:08:20.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where no Filipino is left asr-000536 01:08:20.500 --> 01:08:22.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: behind asr-000537 01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:24.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I stand before this Chamber today asr-000538 01:08:24.500 --> 01:08:26.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at eight and a half months pregnant asr-000539 01:08:26.500 --> 01:08:28.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I do so asr-000540 01:08:28.500 --> 01:08:30.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the power of the purse asr-000541 01:08:30.500 --> 01:08:32.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is not a privilege we exercise asr-000542 01:08:32.500 --> 01:08:34.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: when convenient asr-000543 01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:36.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It is a constitutional duty asr-000544 01:08:36.500 --> 01:08:38.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we owe to the Filipino people asr-000545 01:08:38.500 --> 01:08:40.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in every season asr-000546 01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:42.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and under every circumstance asr-000547 01:08:42.500 --> 01:08:44.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Long after this plenary ends asr-000548 01:08:44.500 --> 01:08:46.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a generation of asr-000549 01:08:46.500 --> 01:08:48.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Filipinos will live asr-000550 01:08:48.500 --> 01:08:50.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with what we decide asr-000551 01:08:50.500 --> 01:08:52.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: inside this August Chamber asr-000552 01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:54.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Let them find asr-000553 01:08:54.500 --> 01:08:56.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that we decided well asr-000554 01:08:56.500 --> 01:08:58.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nawa'y matagpuan asr-000555 01:08:58.500 --> 01:09:00.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng susunod na salinlahi asr-000556 01:09:00.500 --> 01:09:02.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na tayo'y tumindig asr-000557 01:09:02.500 --> 01:09:04.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng tapat sa ating tungkulin. asr-000558 01:09:04.500 --> 01:09:06.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker asr-000559 01:09:06.500 --> 01:09:08.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I humbly sponsor asr-000560 01:09:08.500 --> 01:09:10.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the proposed General Appropriations asr-000561 01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:12.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Bill for Fiscal Year asr-000562 01:09:12.500 --> 01:09:14.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 and respectfully asr-000563 01:09:14.500 --> 01:09:16.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: seek the support of our distinguished asr-000564 01:09:16.500 --> 01:09:18.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleagues in the House asr-000565 01:09:18.500 --> 01:09:20.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for its passage asr-000566 01:09:20.500 --> 01:09:22.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Together, let us ensure asr-000567 01:09:22.500 --> 01:09:24.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that this budget reflects asr-000568 01:09:24.500 --> 01:09:26.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the aspirations of our people asr-000569 01:09:26.500 --> 01:09:28.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and strengthens trust asr-000570 01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:30.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in our institutions asr-000571 01:09:30.500 --> 01:09:32.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa bawat proyekto, asr-000572 01:09:32.500 --> 01:09:34.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang mamamayan ang dapat nasa sentro. asr-000573 01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:36.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa bawat alokasyon, asr-000574 01:09:36.500 --> 01:09:38.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang kapakanan ng taong bayan asr-000575 01:09:38.500 --> 01:09:40.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang dapat maging pangunahing batayan. asr-000576 01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:42.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Maraming salamat po. asr-000577 01:09:42.500 --> 01:09:44.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Para sa Diyos at bayan. asr-000578 01:09:44.500 --> 01:09:46.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader asr-000579 01:09:46.500 --> 01:09:48.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker asr-000580 01:09:48.500 --> 01:09:50.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: I move to suspend session for a few minutes asr-000581 01:09:50.500 --> 01:09:52.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session suspended asr-000587 01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:18.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed asr-000588 01:12:18.500 --> 01:12:20.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader asr-000589 01:12:20.500 --> 01:12:22.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker asr-000590 01:12:22.500 --> 01:12:24.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: May we acknowledge the presence asr-000591 01:12:24.500 --> 01:12:26.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: from the Development Budget asr-000592 01:12:26.500 --> 01:12:28.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Coordination Committee asr-000593 01:12:28.500 --> 01:12:30.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: from the asr-000594 01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:32.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Department of Budget and Management asr-000595 01:12:32.500 --> 01:12:34.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Acting Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon asr-000596 01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:36.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary Janet B. Abuel asr-000597 01:12:36.500 --> 01:12:38.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000598 01:12:38.500 --> 01:12:40.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mary Anne Z. Dela Vega asr-000599 01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:42.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000600 01:12:42.500 --> 01:12:44.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Ryan S. Lita asr-000601 01:12:44.500 --> 01:12:46.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000602 01:12:46.500 --> 01:12:48.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Goddes Hope O. Libiran asr-000603 01:12:48.500 --> 01:12:50.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000604 01:12:50.500 --> 01:12:52.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Wilford Will L. Wong asr-000605 01:12:52.500 --> 01:12:54.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: From the Department of Economy, Planning and Development asr-000606 01:12:54.500 --> 01:12:56.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan asr-000607 01:12:56.500 --> 01:12:58.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000608 01:12:58.500 --> 01:13:00.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Rosemarie G. Edillon asr-000609 01:13:00.500 --> 01:13:02.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000610 01:13:02.500 --> 01:13:04.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Dennis S. Mapa asr-000611 01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:06.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000612 01:13:06.500 --> 01:13:08.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Joseph J. Capuno asr-000613 01:13:08.500 --> 01:13:10.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000614 01:13:10.500 --> 01:13:12.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Melbourne Ziro D. Pana asr-000615 01:13:12.500 --> 01:13:14.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000616 01:13:14.500 --> 01:13:16.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Glenda R. Rumohr asr-000617 01:13:16.500 --> 01:13:18.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: From the Department of Finance, Under Secretary asr-000618 01:13:18.500 --> 01:13:20.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: [unclear] S. Adriano asr-000619 01:13:20.500 --> 01:13:23.000 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary Rolando T. Ligon, Jr. asr-000620 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:24.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000621 01:13:24.500 --> 01:13:26.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Catherine L. Fong asr-000622 01:13:26.500 --> 01:13:28.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000623 01:13:28.500 --> 01:13:30.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Maria Angela E. Ignacio asr-000624 01:13:30.500 --> 01:13:32.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000625 01:13:32.500 --> 01:13:34.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Joven Z. Balbosa asr-000626 01:13:34.500 --> 01:13:36.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000627 01:13:36.500 --> 01:13:38.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Krystal Lyn T. Uy asr-000628 01:13:38.500 --> 01:13:40.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and OIC asr-000629 01:13:40.500 --> 01:13:42.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary asr-000630 01:13:42.500 --> 01:13:44.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Niño Raymond B. Alvina asr-000631 01:13:44.500 --> 01:13:46.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: From the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas asr-000632 01:13:46.500 --> 01:13:48.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Deputy Governor asr-000633 01:13:48.500 --> 01:13:50.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mamerto E. Tangonan asr-000634 01:13:50.500 --> 01:13:52.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: To the officials of the asr-000635 01:13:52.500 --> 01:13:54.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Department of Budget and Management asr-000636 01:13:54.500 --> 01:13:56.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: headed by our Acting Secretary asr-000637 01:13:56.500 --> 01:13:58.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Kim Robert C. De Leon asr-000638 01:13:58.500 --> 01:14:00.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: From the Department of Economy, Planning and Development asr-000639 01:14:00.500 --> 01:14:02.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: headed by the asr-000640 01:14:02.500 --> 01:14:04.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Honorable Secretary Arsenio Balisacan asr-000641 01:14:04.500 --> 01:14:06.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: From the Department of Finance asr-000642 01:14:06.500 --> 01:14:08.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: headed by asr-000643 01:14:08.500 --> 01:14:10.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Under Secretary asr-000644 01:14:10.500 --> 01:14:12.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Karlo Fermin Adriano asr-000645 01:14:12.500 --> 01:14:14.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: under the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas asr-000646 01:14:14.500 --> 01:14:16.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: represented by Deputy Governor asr-000647 01:14:16.500 --> 01:14:18.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Mamerto Tangonan asr-000648 01:14:18.500 --> 01:14:20.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: At sa lahat ng asr-000649 01:14:20.500 --> 01:14:22.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: kaakibat sa DBCC asr-000650 01:14:22.500 --> 01:14:24.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: family, maraming salamat asr-000651 01:14:24.500 --> 01:14:26.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: sa inyong presensya. asr-000652 01:14:26.500 --> 01:14:28.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Your tolerance, asr-000653 01:14:28.500 --> 01:14:30.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: patience, sacrifice asr-000654 01:14:30.500 --> 01:14:32.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: and hard work is truly asr-000655 01:14:32.500 --> 01:14:34.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: appreciated by the Filipino people. asr-000656 01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:36.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Welcome to the House asr-000657 01:14:36.500 --> 01:14:38.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: of the People. asr-000658 01:14:38.500 --> 01:14:40.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader asr-000659 01:14:40.500 --> 01:14:42.500 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, I move to recognize asr-000660 01:14:42.500 --> 01:14:44.500 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Chairwoman asr-000661 01:14:44.500 --> 01:14:46.500 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Mika Suansing asr-000662 01:14:46.500 --> 01:14:48.500 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Chairperson of the Committee of asr-000663 01:14:48.500 --> 01:14:50.500 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Appropriations to answer questions asr-000664 01:14:50.500 --> 01:14:52.500 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: on General Principles and asr-000665 01:14:52.500 --> 01:14:53.500 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Provisions. asr-000665-split-2 01:14:53.500 --> 01:14:54.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Honorable asr-000666 01:14:54.500 --> 01:14:56.500 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Mika Suansing is recognized. asr-000667 01:14:56.500 --> 01:14:58.500 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, asr-000668 01:14:58.500 --> 01:14:59.800 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: I move to recognize asr-000669 01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:01.260 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: our first interpellator, asr-000670 01:15:02.060 --> 01:15:03.840 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Minority Leader Marcelino asr-000671 01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:04.900 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: C. Libanan. asr-000672 01:15:06.360 --> 01:15:07.680 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Sorry, ma'am, I withdraw my motion. asr-000673 01:15:08.260 --> 01:15:10.200 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Ma'am, Madam Speaker, asr-000674 01:15:10.320 --> 01:15:11.820 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: I move to suspend session for a few minutes. asr-000675 01:15:11.820 --> 01:15:12.540 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session suspended. asr-000680 01:17:07.240 --> 01:17:08.420 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed. asr-000681 01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:10.620 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader. asr-000682 01:17:10.620 --> 01:17:13.000 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, I move to recognize asr-000683 01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:14.760 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Minority Leader, the Honorable asr-000684 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:16.400 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Marcelino C. Libanan asr-000685 01:17:16.400 --> 01:17:18.660 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: from the 4Ps Party-list to interpellate asr-000686 01:17:18.660 --> 01:17:19.220 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: the sponsor. asr-000687 01:17:20.460 --> 01:17:22.720 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The brilliant legislator asr-000688 01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:24.640 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: from the province of Samar, asr-000689 01:17:25.340 --> 01:17:26.920 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: the Honorable Minority Leader asr-000690 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:28.640 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: representing 4Ps asr-000691 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:29.340 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Party-list, asr-000692 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.400 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Nonoy Libanan is hereby recognized asr-000693 01:17:31.400 --> 01:17:32.440 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: for his interpellation. asr-000694 01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:35.400 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-000695 01:17:38.140 --> 01:17:39.620 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: And good afternoon asr-000696 01:17:39.620 --> 01:17:41.380 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: to our sponsor, asr-000697 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:43.260 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Honorable asr-000698 01:17:43.260 --> 01:17:44.860 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Suansing and asr-000699 01:17:44.860 --> 01:17:47.060 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the DBCC family. asr-000700 01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:49.460 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-000701 01:17:50.360 --> 01:17:51.460 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: before we discuss asr-000702 01:17:51.460 --> 01:17:52.840 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: individual departments, asr-000703 01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:55.380 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: may I begin with the principles asr-000704 01:17:55.380 --> 01:17:57.260 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that should govern asr-000705 01:17:57.260 --> 01:17:59.280 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: this entire bill. asr-000706 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:01.160 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: A national budget asr-000707 01:18:01.160 --> 01:18:03.560 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is more than a table asr-000708 01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:05.200 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: of appropriations. asr-000709 01:18:06.120 --> 01:18:07.740 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: It tells us what government asr-000710 01:18:07.740 --> 01:18:09.240 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: considers important, asr-000711 01:18:10.100 --> 01:18:11.520 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: who bears the burden asr-000712 01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:13.660 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: when fiscal space asr-000713 01:18:13.660 --> 01:18:16.040 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is tight, where development asr-000714 01:18:16.040 --> 01:18:17.960 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: will occur, and what asr-000715 01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:19.980 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: safeguards Congress asr-000716 01:18:19.980 --> 01:18:21.980 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: places around the people's asr-000717 01:18:21.980 --> 01:18:22.280 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: money. asr-000718 01:18:23.480 --> 01:18:25.720 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: There are provisions in this bill asr-000719 01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:28.280 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that deserve recognition. asr-000720 01:18:29.320 --> 01:18:29.920 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: The significance asr-000721 01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.440 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: reduction in unprogrammed asr-000722 01:18:32.440 --> 01:18:34.020 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: appropriations is one. asr-000723 01:18:35.160 --> 01:18:36.420 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Greater transparency asr-000724 01:18:36.420 --> 01:18:37.980 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: in those budget processes asr-000725 01:18:37.980 --> 01:18:38.960 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is another. asr-000726 01:18:40.300 --> 01:18:41.240 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: But precisely asr-000727 01:18:41.240 --> 01:18:44.180 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: because Congress has improved asr-000728 01:18:44.180 --> 01:18:44.860 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the process, asr-000729 01:18:46.040 --> 01:18:48.080 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: we should now ask the harder questions asr-000730 01:18:48.080 --> 01:18:49.960 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: about the substance. asr-000731 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:51.860 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: How much of this asr-000732 01:18:51.860 --> 01:18:53.680 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: 7.2 trillion asr-000733 01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:56.180 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: do we actually control? asr-000734 01:18:57.280 --> 01:18:58.420 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Are appropriations asr-000735 01:18:58.420 --> 01:18:59.720 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: specific enough? asr-000736 01:18:59.920 --> 01:19:01.420 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: For Congress to know asr-000737 01:19:01.420 --> 01:19:03.580 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: where the money will go? asr-000738 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:06.400 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Do the special provisions asr-000739 01:19:06.400 --> 01:19:08.540 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: preserve congressional intent? asr-000740 01:19:10.860 --> 01:19:12.560 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Are constitutional asr-000741 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.700 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: priorities protected? asr-000742 01:19:15.860 --> 01:19:16.840 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Is spending asr-000743 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:18.400 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: geographically fair? asr-000744 01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:21.060 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: And what asr-000745 01:19:21.060 --> 01:19:22.440 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: measurable results asr-000746 01:19:22.440 --> 01:19:24.220 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: should the people expect asr-000747 01:19:24.220 --> 01:19:25.100 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: in return? asr-000748 01:19:26.320 --> 01:19:28.280 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Those are the principles asr-000749 01:19:28.280 --> 01:19:29.840 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: by which the minority asr-000750 01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:31.840 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: proposes to examine this bill. asr-000751 01:19:32.780 --> 01:19:34.740 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: The General Appropriations Act asr-000752 01:19:34.740 --> 01:19:36.340 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is not merely asr-000753 01:19:36.340 --> 01:19:37.800 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: a schedule of amounts. asr-000754 01:19:38.860 --> 01:19:40.460 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: It is the principal asr-000755 01:19:40.460 --> 01:19:42.400 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: instrument through which Congress asr-000756 01:19:42.400 --> 01:19:43.960 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: determines priorities, asr-000757 01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:46.220 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: imposes conditions asr-000758 01:19:46.220 --> 01:19:47.320 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: on expenditure, asr-000759 01:19:48.580 --> 01:19:50.160 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: safeguards public money, asr-000760 01:19:50.940 --> 01:19:51.660 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and holds asr-000761 01:19:51.660 --> 01:19:54.440 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: executive accountable asr-000762 01:19:54.440 --> 01:19:55.980 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for results. asr-000763 01:19:58.200 --> 01:19:59.380 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Sponsor, asr-000764 01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:01.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-000765 01:20:01.780 --> 01:20:03.620 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: would you agree asr-000766 01:20:03.620 --> 01:20:07.360 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that Congress is not entirely free asr-000767 01:20:07.360 --> 01:20:09.560 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: to rank all expenditures equally asr-000768 01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:12.460 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: because the Constitution itself asr-000769 01:20:12.460 --> 01:20:15.100 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: establishes certain priorities, asr-000770 01:20:15.860 --> 01:20:17.380 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: most expressly asr-000771 01:20:17.380 --> 01:20:19.880 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the command to assign asr-000772 01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:21.700 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the highest budgetary priority asr-000773 01:20:21.700 --> 01:20:23.100 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: to education? asr-000774 01:20:28.020 --> 01:20:31.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, yes. Um, asr-000777 01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:33.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: however, in that particular instance, asr-000778 01:20:33.820 --> 01:20:35.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it is actually for the benefit asr-000779 01:20:35.580 --> 01:20:37.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our countrymen that such asr-000780 01:20:37.340 --> 01:20:39.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: provision which states that education asr-000781 01:20:39.900 --> 01:20:42.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: has to be the highest budgetary asr-000782 01:20:42.180 --> 01:20:43.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocation, asr-000783 01:20:43.460 --> 01:20:45.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it's actually beneficial to our countrymen. asr-000784 01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:49.060 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Then, Madam Speaker, asr-000785 01:20:49.620 --> 01:20:51.820 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: when Congress asr-000786 01:20:51.820 --> 01:20:53.860 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: evaluates this bill, shouldn't we look asr-000787 01:20:53.860 --> 01:20:55.640 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: not merely on whether education asr-000788 01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:57.620 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: receives the largest asr-000789 01:20:57.620 --> 01:20:59.720 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: nominal amount, but whether asr-000790 01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:01.860 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: our overall fiscal choices asr-000791 01:21:01.860 --> 01:21:04.800 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: preserve constitutional priorities asr-000792 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:06.660 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: given to education asr-000793 01:21:06.660 --> 01:21:08.100 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: despite asr-000794 01:21:08.100 --> 01:21:10.460 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: rising automatic obligation? asr-000795 01:21:13.460 --> 01:21:14.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-000796 01:21:14.860 --> 01:21:15.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague, asr-000797 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:18.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yes, I agree with asr-000798 01:21:18.440 --> 01:21:19.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our distinguished colleague. asr-000799 01:21:20.020 --> 01:21:21.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, when we look at the budget asr-000800 01:21:21.900 --> 01:21:23.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and we determine asr-000801 01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:26.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the allocations asr-000802 01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:28.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the different agencies, asr-000803 01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:29.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we look at it at a holistic level. asr-000804 01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:31.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But, yes, I agree, Madam Speaker. asr-000805 01:21:33.060 --> 01:21:33.700 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-000806 01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:35.540 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: I raised this question because asr-000807 01:21:35.540 --> 01:21:37.880 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: comparison between asr-000808 01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:39.760 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the interest payment asr-000809 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:41.980 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and the budget asr-000810 01:21:41.980 --> 01:21:42.860 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for DepEd asr-000811 01:21:42.860 --> 01:21:46.720 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is 1.114 trillion asr-000812 01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:48.000 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for interest payments asr-000813 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:49.560 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and asr-000814 01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:51.840 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: 976 billion asr-000815 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:53.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for the Department asr-000816 01:21:53.780 --> 01:21:54.460 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: of Education. asr-000817 01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:56.880 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-000818 01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:58.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: would the sponsor asr-000819 01:21:58.780 --> 01:21:59.260 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: agree? asr-000820 01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:01.520 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: That, as a general rule, asr-000821 01:22:02.580 --> 01:22:04.580 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Congress should prepare asr-000822 01:22:04.580 --> 01:22:07.240 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: specific itemized appropriations asr-000823 01:22:07.240 --> 01:22:09.720 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: over broad lump sums asr-000824 01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:11.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: whenever the expenditure asr-000825 01:22:11.780 --> 01:22:13.940 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: can reasonably be identified asr-000826 01:22:13.940 --> 01:22:14.760 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: in advance? asr-000827 01:22:16.660 --> 01:22:17.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, asr-000828 01:22:18.100 --> 01:22:19.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague, I agree. asr-000829 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:22.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Where possible, we would prefer asr-000830 01:22:22.160 --> 01:22:24.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: specific line items over lump sum amounts. asr-000831 01:22:26.060 --> 01:22:26.800 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you, Madam Speaker, asr-000832 01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:27.620 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for that answer. asr-000833 01:22:28.040 --> 01:22:28.980 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: But, Madam Speaker, asr-000834 01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:31.260 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: there are items asr-000835 01:22:31.260 --> 01:22:32.860 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: which we cannot really calculate. asr-000836 01:22:33.620 --> 01:22:35.700 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Example, calamities. asr-000837 01:22:36.540 --> 01:22:37.300 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: We shall have asr-000838 01:22:37.300 --> 01:22:39.600 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: leeway for that. asr-000839 01:22:41.940 --> 01:22:43.660 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: It cannot be predicted. asr-000840 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:45.420 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: But roads, bridges, asr-000841 01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:47.600 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: buildings, and other asr-000842 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:50.080 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: identified infrastructure asr-000843 01:22:50.080 --> 01:22:52.200 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: normally can be. asr-000844 01:22:53.540 --> 01:22:54.320 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Can the sponsor asr-000845 01:22:54.320 --> 01:22:55.880 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: therefore assure the House asr-000846 01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:57.800 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that broad lump sums asr-000847 01:22:57.800 --> 01:22:58.580 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: have not simply been asr-000848 01:22:58.580 --> 01:23:00.940 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: migrated from asr-000849 01:23:00.940 --> 01:23:02.620 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: unprogrammed appropriations asr-000850 01:23:02.620 --> 01:23:04.980 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: into programmed appropriations asr-000851 01:23:04.980 --> 01:23:06.460 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: or special provision? asr-000852 01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:22.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-000853 01:23:22.040 --> 01:23:22.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished colleague, asr-000854 01:23:23.140 --> 01:23:25.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with regard to that particular instance, asr-000855 01:23:25.740 --> 01:23:27.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in response to the calamities, asr-000856 01:23:27.780 --> 01:23:28.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we do have asr-000857 01:23:28.260 --> 01:23:44.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the NDRRMF, which at the moment has an allocation of 45.67 billion. While that is a lump sum amount, we do have within it QRF allocations for the different agencies. asr-000858 01:23:44.000 --> 01:24:04.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In that case, given that it needs to be flexible to be able to respond to whichever agencies, calamities, or activities would need to be funded at a particular time, for this particular instance, a lump sum amount is actually preferable for the NDRRMF. asr-000859 01:24:07.540 --> 01:24:09.620 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you for that, Madam Speaker. asr-000860 01:24:10.420 --> 01:24:16.480 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Because our country is most often visited by typhoons and catastrophes. asr-000861 01:24:18.080 --> 01:24:34.180 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Would the sponsor agree that a special provision should implement an appropriation approved by Congress and should not effectively create a new spending authority that is broader than the appropriation itself? asr-000862 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:57.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, a special provision sets the condition by which an appropriation can be disbursed. asr-000863 01:24:58.100 --> 01:25:02.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, a special provision emanates from the appropriation itself. asr-000864 01:25:02.440 --> 01:25:09.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in theory, technically speaking, a special provision would not supersede a particular appropriation. asr-000865 01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:13.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And this conforms to our Constitution and applicable law. asr-000866 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:15.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker. asr-000867 01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:17.000 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-000868 01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:35.340 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Then, can the sponsor assure this Chamber that there is no provision in this bill that allows funds appropriated for one clearly defined purpose to be redirected to an unrelated purpose without returning to Congress? asr-000869 01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:10.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, in general, that is the case. asr-000870 01:26:10.480 --> 01:26:13.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, there is a general provision within the asr-000871 01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:22.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: General Appropriations Bill which allows for the declaration and use of savings, which is guided by Supreme Court jurisprudence. asr-000872 01:26:22.440 --> 01:26:40.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But generally, aside from that particular case, generally, whichever intended use is there when the GAA was approved should be eventually the use for a particular fund. asr-000873 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:59.260 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, we can also probably revisit on augmentation, on fund transfers, on GOCC remittances, foreign assisted fund projects, lump sum infrastructure, asr-000874 01:27:00.860 --> 01:27:05.020 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: LGU support funds, and release of unprogrammed appropriations. asr-000875 01:27:05.280 --> 01:27:06.140 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker. asr-000876 01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:24.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my apologies. asr-000877 01:27:24.280 --> 01:27:32.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May I clarify if there is a question from the Honorable Minority Leader, or is it more of an example of the different kinds of funds? asr-000878 01:27:32.300 --> 01:27:39.100 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: It's just to revisit like your assurance that the Madam Sponsor gave us about the use of savings. asr-000879 01:27:40.480 --> 01:27:43.480 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Perhaps we can revisit the appropriate asr-000880 01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:51.700 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: laws on this so that, if possible, we go back to Congress for appropriation. asr-000882 01:28:50.000 --> 01:29:02.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, after consultation with DBM, for those particular items, generally it is governed by the general provision on the Declaration and Use of Savings. asr-000883 01:29:02.100 --> 01:29:16.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, upon conferring with the DBM, what they can assure is that they will make sure that they will strictly adhere to whichever conditions are there that is set forth in the general provision for the use of savings. asr-000884 01:29:16.080 --> 01:29:32.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there will, because that particular general provision is also authorized by Congress, but what they can assure, what the DBM can assure is that those funds will not be reallocated. asr-000885 01:29:32.100 --> 01:29:41.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: They will not be reallocated or augmented without adherence to the particular conditions set forth in the general provision. asr-000886 01:29:43.280 --> 01:29:45.320 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you for that assurance, Madam Speaker. asr-000887 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:59.720 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, of the 7.2 trillion before us, how much is truly discretionary and how much is already committed by automatic appropriations, statutory transfers? asr-000888 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:03.200 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: personal obligations, and debt service. asr-000889 01:30:04.780 --> 01:30:07.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, asr-000890 01:30:07.120 --> 01:30:10.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of the split for the 7.2 trillion pesos, asr-000891 01:30:11.140 --> 01:30:15.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 4.494 trillion is under programmed appropriations asr-000892 01:30:15.280 --> 01:30:20.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and 2.706 trillion is under automatic appropriations. asr-000893 01:30:21.060 --> 01:30:23.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So on the part of Congress, asr-000894 01:30:24.280 --> 01:30:26.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the General Appropriations Bill, asr-000895 01:30:26.480 --> 01:30:29.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are unable to touch the automatic appropriations. asr-000896 01:30:29.180 --> 01:30:33.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we are looking at the 4.494 trillion pesos asr-000897 01:30:33.980 --> 01:30:35.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under programmed appropriations. asr-000898 01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:37.840 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: That's why this question, Madam Speaker, asr-000899 01:30:37.980 --> 01:30:41.320 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: because we are only appropriating 4.9 trillion asr-000900 01:30:41.320 --> 01:30:45.300 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: in comparison to the 7.2 trillion asr-000901 01:30:45.300 --> 01:30:49.440 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: we are releasing in our headlines, Madam Speaker. asr-000902 01:30:50.120 --> 01:30:52.100 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: So it's only 4.9 trillion. asr-000903 01:30:53.700 --> 01:30:55.000 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-000904 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:57.160 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: would the sponsor agree asr-000905 01:30:57.160 --> 01:30:59.000 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that an appropriation asr-000906 01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:00.500 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is not merely an accomplishment? asr-000907 01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:03.460 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: That the proper measure asr-000908 01:31:03.460 --> 01:31:05.680 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is whether the money is obligated, asr-000909 01:31:06.700 --> 01:31:07.260 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: disbursed, asr-000910 01:31:07.680 --> 01:31:10.320 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and produces the promised physical asr-000911 01:31:10.320 --> 01:31:11.960 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: or social result? asr-000912 01:31:13.240 --> 01:31:15.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I agree, Madam Speaker. asr-000913 01:31:15.220 --> 01:31:16.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I agree completely asr-000914 01:31:16.060 --> 01:31:17.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with our Honorable Minority Leader. asr-000915 01:31:18.400 --> 01:31:20.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The gauge really is the impact asr-000916 01:31:20.660 --> 01:31:23.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of these items. asr-000917 01:31:23.580 --> 01:31:24.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: What would be the benefit asr-000918 01:31:24.900 --> 01:31:26.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that these allocations would give asr-000919 01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:27.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to our countrymen? asr-000920 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:28.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: They are not simply asr-000921 01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:29.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: numbers on a page. asr-000922 01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:32.260 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-000923 01:31:32.740 --> 01:31:33.980 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: I would like to emphasize this, asr-000924 01:31:34.100 --> 01:31:36.040 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that this is only the beginning, asr-000925 01:31:36.260 --> 01:31:38.540 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: but the more important asr-000926 01:31:38.540 --> 01:31:41.200 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: benefit of appropriation asr-000927 01:31:41.200 --> 01:31:43.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is implementation. asr-000928 01:31:45.160 --> 01:31:46.760 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Implementation of this asr-000929 01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:48.340 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: appropriated fund. asr-000930 01:31:48.980 --> 01:31:50.700 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: So that this will redound asr-000931 01:31:50.700 --> 01:31:52.760 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: really to the benefit asr-000932 01:31:52.760 --> 01:31:53.560 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: of our people. asr-000933 01:31:55.620 --> 01:31:56.180 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-000934 01:32:02.440 --> 01:32:18.520 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Then should agencies receiving major increases be required to show their obligation, disbursement, and physical accomplishment rates before Congress increases their budget? asr-000935 01:32:25.500 --> 01:32:29.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-000936 01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:32.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished colleague, yes, that is the case. asr-000937 01:32:32.780 --> 01:32:34.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There is also an assessment asr-000938 01:32:34.300 --> 01:32:36.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the utilization rate, especially asr-000939 01:32:36.100 --> 01:32:38.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for agencies that receive high asr-000940 01:32:38.220 --> 01:32:38.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocations. asr-000941 01:32:39.900 --> 01:32:42.440 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, we shall see to it asr-000942 01:32:42.440 --> 01:32:43.840 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that if there is asr-000943 01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:46.440 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: low utilization, asr-000944 01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:50.280 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: we shall not be increasing asr-000945 01:32:50.280 --> 01:32:52.140 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: their budget, Madam Speaker. asr-000946 01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:53.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: And like the asr-000947 01:32:53.780 --> 01:32:55.560 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: 2027 budget, asr-000948 01:32:56.400 --> 01:32:58.040 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: we did not allow them to asr-000949 01:32:58.040 --> 01:32:59.800 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: increase their budget because of asr-000950 01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:02.160 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: low utilization asr-000951 01:33:02.160 --> 01:33:04.260 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: rate. Madam asr-000952 01:33:04.260 --> 01:33:06.120 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Speaker, would the sponsor asr-000953 01:33:06.120 --> 01:33:08.480 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: agree that the national budget asr-000954 01:33:08.480 --> 01:33:10.400 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: financed by all Filipinos asr-000955 01:33:10.400 --> 01:33:12.180 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: should reasonably asr-000956 01:33:12.180 --> 01:33:14.320 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: distribute development asr-000957 01:33:14.320 --> 01:33:16.480 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: opportunities throughout the country? asr-000958 01:33:17.380 --> 01:33:18.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-000959 01:33:21.040 --> 01:33:22.120 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-000960 01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:23.600 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: I agree. asr-000961 01:33:23.780 --> 01:33:25.760 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: That equality asr-000962 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:27.540 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: does not mean asr-000963 01:33:27.540 --> 01:33:29.240 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: identical amounts. asr-000964 01:33:30.100 --> 01:33:31.640 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: We cannot talk of identical amounts, asr-000965 01:33:32.160 --> 01:33:33.580 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: but should the criteria asr-000966 01:33:33.580 --> 01:33:35.280 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: not include poverty, asr-000967 01:33:36.200 --> 01:33:37.400 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: infrastructure deficits, asr-000968 01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:39.320 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: geographic isolation, asr-000969 01:33:40.220 --> 01:33:42.160 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and disaster exposure, asr-000970 01:33:42.840 --> 01:33:44.060 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: not merely on asr-000971 01:33:44.060 --> 01:33:46.200 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: existing economic activity asr-000972 01:33:46.200 --> 01:33:47.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and project asr-000973 01:33:47.780 --> 01:33:49.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: readiness. Would you agree, asr-000974 01:33:49.900 --> 01:33:51.700 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker? asr-000975 01:33:51.700 --> 01:33:53.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, there should be different asr-000976 01:33:53.780 --> 01:33:55.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: parameters for determining the asr-000977 01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:57.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocations of different asr-000978 01:33:57.780 --> 01:33:59.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: regions or different geographic locations. asr-000979 01:34:01.580 --> 01:34:02.800 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-000980 01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:04.640 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Sponsor, asr-000981 01:34:05.980 --> 01:34:07.600 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: if we strip away the individual asr-000982 01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:08.860 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: agencies for a moment, asr-000983 01:34:10.200 --> 01:34:11.620 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: how would you describe asr-000984 01:34:11.620 --> 01:34:13.900 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the fiscal strategy of this bill? asr-000985 01:34:14.940 --> 01:34:15.400 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Is it asr-000986 01:34:15.400 --> 01:34:17.760 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: principally a revenue expansion asr-000987 01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:19.620 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: budget, a borrowing asr-000988 01:34:19.620 --> 01:34:21.540 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: budget, or an asr-000989 01:34:21.540 --> 01:34:23.460 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: expenditure compression budget? asr-000992 01:34:53.780 --> 01:34:55.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, asr-000993 01:34:55.780 --> 01:34:57.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this budget is a product asr-000994 01:34:57.780 --> 01:34:59.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of two things. asr-000995 01:34:59.780 --> 01:35:01.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: First, it is a product of the fiscal asr-000996 01:35:01.780 --> 01:35:03.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: consolidation strategy wherein asr-000997 01:35:03.780 --> 01:35:05.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the particular expenditures are asr-000998 01:35:05.780 --> 01:35:07.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: determined to reduce the asr-000999 01:35:07.780 --> 01:35:09.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deficit, but also by asr-001000 01:35:09.780 --> 01:35:11.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: choosing the quality asr-001001 01:35:11.780 --> 01:35:13.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the spending, we are also hoping asr-001002 01:35:13.780 --> 01:35:15.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that this budget would be asr-001003 01:35:15.780 --> 01:35:17.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a recovery budget. asr-001004 01:35:17.780 --> 01:35:19.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It would help the country go asr-001005 01:35:19.780 --> 01:35:21.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: back towards the targets, asr-001006 01:35:21.780 --> 01:35:23.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the macroeconomic targets, asr-001007 01:35:23.780 --> 01:35:25.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that inevitably asr-001008 01:35:25.780 --> 01:35:27.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: needed to be asr-001009 01:35:27.780 --> 01:35:29.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: lowered as a result of asr-001010 01:35:29.780 --> 01:35:31.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: external factors, asr-001011 01:35:31.780 --> 01:35:33.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: external shocks, geopolitical asr-001012 01:35:33.780 --> 01:35:35.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: conflicts, and other asr-001013 01:35:35.780 --> 01:35:37.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: items that affected asr-001014 01:35:37.780 --> 01:35:39.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the global trade market. asr-001015 01:35:39.780 --> 01:35:41.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, asr-001016 01:35:41.780 --> 01:35:43.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that would be all asr-001017 01:35:43.780 --> 01:35:45.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for my interpellation. asr-001018 01:35:45.780 --> 01:35:47.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you, distinguished Sponsor. asr-001019 01:35:47.780 --> 01:35:49.780 Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-001020 01:35:49.780 --> 01:35:51.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, asr-001021 01:35:51.780 --> 01:35:53.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and thank you very much to the Honorable asr-001022 01:35:53.780 --> 01:35:55.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Minority Leader. asr-001023 01:35:55.780 --> 01:35:57.780 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader. asr-001024 01:35:57.780 --> 01:35:59.780 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Mr. Speaker, I move that we asr-001025 01:35:59.780 --> 01:36:01.780 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: recognize the Honorable Edgar R. asr-001026 01:36:01.780 --> 01:36:03.780 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Erice from the 2nd District of asr-001027 01:36:03.780 --> 01:36:05.780 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Caloocan to interpolate asr-001028 01:36:05.780 --> 01:36:07.780 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: the sponsor. asr-001029 01:36:09.780 --> 01:36:11.780 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Honorable Edgar Erice of the 2nd asr-001030 01:36:11.780 --> 01:36:13.780 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: District of Caloocan City, asr-001031 01:36:13.780 --> 01:36:15.780 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: a very good friend of asr-001032 01:36:15.780 --> 01:36:17.780 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: ours, asr-001033 01:36:17.780 --> 01:36:19.780 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: is hereby recognized for his asr-001034 01:36:19.780 --> 01:36:21.780 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: interpolation. asr-001035 01:36:23.780 --> 01:36:25.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. asr-001036 01:36:25.780 --> 01:36:27.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: To the Chairman of the asr-001037 01:36:27.780 --> 01:36:29.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Committee on Appropriation, asr-001038 01:36:29.780 --> 01:36:31.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: may I ask asr-001039 01:36:31.780 --> 01:36:33.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: a few questions? asr-001040 01:36:33.780 --> 01:36:35.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. It would be my honor asr-001041 01:36:35.780 --> 01:36:37.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to field questions asr-001042 01:36:37.780 --> 01:36:39.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: from the Honorable Edgar Erice. asr-001043 01:36:39.780 --> 01:36:41.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you, ma'am. Madam Speaker, asr-001044 01:36:41.780 --> 01:36:43.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Madam Chair, asr-001045 01:36:43.780 --> 01:36:45.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba asr-001046 01:36:45.780 --> 01:36:47.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na ang layunin ng asr-001047 01:36:47.780 --> 01:36:49.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: P7.2 trilyong panukalang budget asr-001048 01:36:49.780 --> 01:36:51.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ay hindi lamang pataasin asr-001049 01:36:51.780 --> 01:36:53.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang government spending, asr-001050 01:36:53.780 --> 01:36:55.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kundi tiyakin ang quality spending, asr-001051 01:36:55.780 --> 01:36:57.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: paggastang na asr-001052 01:36:57.780 --> 01:36:59.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: magpapalago sa ekonomiya asr-001053 01:36:59.780 --> 01:37:01.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at direktang magpapabuti asr-001054 01:37:01.780 --> 01:37:03.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: sa buhay ng mga mamamayan? asr-001055 01:37:03.780 --> 01:37:05.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, Madam Speaker. asr-001056 01:37:05.780 --> 01:37:07.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung gano'n, maaari po bang asr-001057 01:37:07.780 --> 01:37:09.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: tukuyin kung magkano sa asr-001058 01:37:09.780 --> 01:37:11.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: P7.2 trillion ang tunay na asr-001059 01:37:11.780 --> 01:37:13.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: nakalaan sa mga asr-001060 01:37:13.780 --> 01:37:15.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: bagong development programs asr-001061 01:37:15.780 --> 01:37:17.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: or capital outlay, asr-001062 01:37:17.780 --> 01:37:19.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at magkano ang asr-001063 01:37:19.780 --> 01:37:21.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: nakatali na sa government asr-001064 01:37:21.780 --> 01:37:23.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: operations, sweldo, asr-001065 01:37:23.780 --> 01:37:25.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: interest, amortization asr-001066 01:37:25.780 --> 01:37:27.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at iba pang mandatory expenditures? asr-001067 01:37:27.780 --> 01:37:29.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi sapat na sabihing asr-001068 01:37:29.780 --> 01:37:31.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: inclusive at asr-001069 01:37:31.780 --> 01:37:33.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: development-oriented ang budget. asr-001070 01:37:33.780 --> 01:37:35.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kailangan po malaman natin asr-001071 01:37:35.780 --> 01:37:37.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang eksaktong halaga asr-001072 01:37:37.780 --> 01:37:39.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at porsyento ng pondong asr-001073 01:37:39.780 --> 01:37:41.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: lilikha ng bagong trabaho, asr-001074 01:37:41.780 --> 01:37:43.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: [unclear], ospital, asr-001075 01:37:43.780 --> 01:37:45.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: irigasyon, pabahay at asr-001076 01:37:45.780 --> 01:37:47.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: transport infrastructure. asr-001077 01:37:47.780 --> 01:37:49.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba na asr-001078 01:37:49.780 --> 01:37:51.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: malaking bahagi ng budget asr-001079 01:37:51.780 --> 01:37:53.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang nakalaan sa government operations, asr-001080 01:37:53.780 --> 01:37:55.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: personal services, interest payments asr-001081 01:37:55.780 --> 01:37:57.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at iba pang mandatory obligation? asr-001082 01:38:01.780 --> 01:38:03.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, I will answer asr-001083 01:38:03.780 --> 01:38:05.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: based on the different asr-001084 01:38:05.780 --> 01:38:07.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: categories as highlighted by asr-001085 01:38:07.780 --> 01:38:09.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Honorable Irise. asr-001086 01:38:09.780 --> 01:38:11.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of the breakdown asr-001087 01:38:11.780 --> 01:38:13.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the 7.2 trillion asr-001088 01:38:13.780 --> 01:38:15.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pesos asr-001089 01:38:15.780 --> 01:38:17.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by general expense class, asr-001090 01:38:17.780 --> 01:38:19.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: out of the 7.2 trillion, asr-001091 01:38:19.780 --> 01:38:21.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.98 asr-001092 01:38:21.780 --> 01:38:23.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion will go to asr-001093 01:38:23.780 --> 01:38:25.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: personal services, asr-001094 01:38:25.780 --> 01:38:27.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2.944 asr-001095 01:38:27.780 --> 01:38:29.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion will go to asr-001096 01:38:29.780 --> 01:38:31.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: MOUE, asr-001097 01:38:31.780 --> 01:38:33.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.114 trillion asr-001098 01:38:33.780 --> 01:38:35.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will go to financial asr-001099 01:38:35.780 --> 01:38:37.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: expenses, and asr-001100 01:38:37.780 --> 01:38:39.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.159 trillion asr-001101 01:38:39.780 --> 01:38:41.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will go to capital outlays. asr-001102 01:38:41.780 --> 01:38:43.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of the asr-001103 01:38:43.780 --> 01:38:45.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: debt burden asr-001104 01:38:45.780 --> 01:38:47.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the interest expense payment, asr-001105 01:38:47.780 --> 01:38:49.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that would be asr-001106 01:38:49.780 --> 01:38:51.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.8 asr-001107 01:38:51.780 --> 01:38:53.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion, asr-001108 01:38:53.780 --> 01:38:55.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.14 trillion pesos asr-001109 01:38:55.780 --> 01:38:57.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: out of the 7.2 trillion asr-001110 01:38:57.780 --> 01:38:59.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pesos budget, Madam Speaker. asr-001111 01:38:59.780 --> 01:39:01.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 15.5 percent asr-001112 01:39:01.780 --> 01:39:03.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the debt payment. asr-001113 01:39:03.780 --> 01:39:05.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: That's correct, Madam Speaker. asr-001114 01:39:05.780 --> 01:39:07.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: And for the capital asr-001115 01:39:07.780 --> 01:39:09.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: and developmental projects, asr-001116 01:39:09.780 --> 01:39:11.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: it's only 16 percent. asr-001117 01:39:11.780 --> 01:39:13.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: That's correct, Madam Speaker. asr-001118 01:39:13.780 --> 01:39:15.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: And this is the lowest asr-001119 01:39:15.780 --> 01:39:17.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: fiscal space asr-001120 01:39:17.780 --> 01:39:19.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: in recent years. asr-001121 01:39:19.780 --> 01:39:21.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Is that correct? asr-001122 01:39:21.780 --> 01:39:23.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: I remember that in asr-001123 01:39:23.780 --> 01:39:25.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2024, asr-001124 01:39:25.780 --> 01:39:27.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the fiscal space asr-001125 01:39:27.780 --> 01:39:29.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: was 20 percent higher. asr-001126 01:39:29.780 --> 01:39:31.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Last year, it was 19 percent. asr-001127 01:39:31.780 --> 01:39:33.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Now, it's 16 percent. asr-001128 01:39:33.780 --> 01:39:35.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Is that correct? asr-001129 01:39:51.780 --> 01:39:55.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That's correct. asr-001130 01:39:55.780 --> 01:39:57.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-001131 01:39:57.780 --> 01:39:59.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung ikukumpara po natin asr-001132 01:39:59.780 --> 01:40:01.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa fiscal year asr-001133 01:40:01.780 --> 01:40:03.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2026 GAA, asr-001134 01:40:03.780 --> 01:40:05.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: last year po, asr-001135 01:40:05.780 --> 01:40:07.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang capital outlays po asr-001136 01:40:07.780 --> 01:40:09.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nag-a-amount sa 15% po, asr-001137 01:40:09.780 --> 01:40:11.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kumpara sa kasalukuyan po asr-001138 01:40:11.780 --> 01:40:13.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa 2027 NEP asr-001139 01:40:13.780 --> 01:40:15.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na asr-001140 01:40:15.780 --> 01:40:17.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 16.1% po. asr-001141 01:40:17.780 --> 01:40:19.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually po, asr-001142 01:40:19.780 --> 01:40:21.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung atin pong hihimayin asr-001143 01:40:21.780 --> 01:40:23.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa loob po ng MOOE, asr-001144 01:40:23.780 --> 01:40:25.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meron din pong capital outlay component asr-001145 01:40:25.780 --> 01:40:27.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: doon sapagkat asr-001146 01:40:27.780 --> 01:40:29.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung national tax allotment po asr-001147 01:40:29.780 --> 01:40:31.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nakapaloob sa MOOE. asr-001148 01:40:31.780 --> 01:40:33.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So yung mga nangyayari pong asr-001149 01:40:33.780 --> 01:40:35.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: capital outlay ng iba't ibang LGUs asr-001150 01:40:35.780 --> 01:40:37.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nandoon po sa MOOE. asr-001151 01:40:37.780 --> 01:40:39.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero kung ikukumpara po natin, asr-001152 01:40:39.780 --> 01:40:41.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 15% po ang capital outlay asr-001153 01:40:41.780 --> 01:40:43.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa 2026 GAA, asr-001154 01:40:43.780 --> 01:40:45.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at 16.1% po sa 2027. asr-001155 01:40:45.780 --> 01:40:47.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang ibig ko pong sabihin ay asr-001156 01:40:47.780 --> 01:40:49.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung capital outlay asr-001157 01:40:49.780 --> 01:40:51.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na pamumunuan ng national government asr-001158 01:40:51.780 --> 01:40:53.900 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ay 16% lang po. asr-001159 01:40:54.740 --> 01:40:56.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 16.1% po asr-001160 01:40:56.620 --> 01:40:59.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pag national government po. asr-001161 01:40:59.540 --> 01:41:00.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po yun. asr-001162 01:41:00.780 --> 01:41:02.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At kasama na roon, asr-001163 01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:04.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 16% yung asr-001164 01:41:04.700 --> 01:41:06.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa mga local government. asr-001165 01:41:06.860 --> 01:41:07.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May NTA asr-001166 01:41:08.060 --> 01:41:09.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on top pa po yun, asr-001167 01:41:09.460 --> 01:41:10.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kasi po yung asr-001168 01:41:10.860 --> 01:41:13.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: capital component outlay asr-001169 01:41:13.260 --> 01:41:15.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga LGUs po asr-001170 01:41:15.120 --> 01:41:17.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nakapaloob sa national tax allotment asr-001171 01:41:17.620 --> 01:41:20.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at yun po ay nakapailalim sa MOOE. asr-001172 01:41:20.500 --> 01:41:22.000 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa akin pong datos, asr-001173 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:23.000 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: nung nakaraang taon, asr-001174 01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:24.500 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 19% ang [unclear]. asr-001175 01:41:24.500 --> 01:41:25.500 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Mali po ba yun? asr-001176 01:41:27.780 --> 01:41:29.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Posible po sigurong asr-001177 01:41:29.780 --> 01:41:31.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 19% kung isasama po natin asr-001178 01:41:31.780 --> 01:41:33.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung sa local government unit asr-001179 01:41:33.780 --> 01:41:35.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa loob ng NTA. asr-001180 01:41:35.780 --> 01:41:37.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero kung pagbabasihan lang po natin asr-001181 01:41:37.780 --> 01:41:39.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay yung sa national government, asr-001182 01:41:39.780 --> 01:41:41.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 15% lamang po asr-001183 01:41:41.780 --> 01:41:43.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong 2026. asr-001184 01:41:43.780 --> 01:41:45.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: What is the exact asr-001185 01:41:45.780 --> 01:41:47.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: definition of DBM, asr-001186 01:41:47.780 --> 01:41:49.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: or capital outlay? asr-001187 01:41:49.780 --> 01:41:51.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Are these just capital outlays asr-001188 01:41:51.780 --> 01:41:53.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: or are the subsidies included? asr-001189 01:41:53.780 --> 01:41:55.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Transfers, asr-001190 01:41:55.780 --> 01:41:57.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ayuda, financial assistance, asr-001191 01:41:57.780 --> 01:41:59.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: and discretionary funds? asr-001192 01:42:07.780 --> 01:42:09.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-001193 01:42:09.780 --> 01:42:11.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa definition po natin ng asr-001194 01:42:11.780 --> 01:42:13.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: capital outlays, asr-001195 01:42:13.780 --> 01:42:15.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang nakapaloob po dito ay asr-001196 01:42:15.780 --> 01:42:17.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga asr-001197 01:42:17.780 --> 01:42:19.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um, asr-001198 01:42:19.780 --> 01:42:21.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually wala asr-001199 01:42:21.780 --> 01:42:23.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: [unclear] asr-001204 01:42:31.780 --> 01:42:33.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ongoing banner asr-001205 01:42:33.780 --> 01:42:35.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: infrastructure projects sa ilalim asr-001206 01:42:35.780 --> 01:42:37.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po ng Build Better More asr-001207 01:42:37.780 --> 01:42:39.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: program. asr-001208 01:42:39.780 --> 01:42:41.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Nasama po ba dito asr-001209 01:42:41.780 --> 01:42:43.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung pondo asr-001210 01:42:43.780 --> 01:42:49.000 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na inilalaan para sa LGSF o Local Government Support Fund? asr-001211 01:42:49.640 --> 01:42:54.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, hindi po sapagkat ang LGSF po ay nakapaloob sa MOOE. asr-001212 01:42:56.520 --> 01:42:58.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Wala po siya sa capital outlay. asr-001213 01:43:02.860 --> 01:43:06.220 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ba ay regular na government operations? asr-001214 01:43:06.220 --> 01:43:15.060 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Local Government Support Fund po ba ay regular government operations at nakalagay sa MOOE? asr-001215 01:43:17.120 --> 01:43:21.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sapagkat po nakapaloob siya doon sa kategorya ng fund transfer. asr-001216 01:43:21.900 --> 01:43:28.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po yung tag po doon is financial talgo, financial assistance to local government units. asr-001217 01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:34.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya po kahit po posible na i-disperse po iyon ng mga local government units asr-001218 01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:43.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as infrastructure projects dahil po doon sa technicality na yung accounting treatment po ng fund transfers asr-001219 01:43:43.400 --> 01:43:45.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na lalagay po siya sa ilalim ng MOOE. asr-001220 01:43:45.700 --> 01:43:53.320 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Maari po ba magbigay ang DBM ng COPIA kung anong mga bagong capital projects, asr-001221 01:43:53.460 --> 01:44:00.620 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ongoing capital projects at malahat ng mga programa nakapaloob doon sa capital outlay na 16%. asr-001222 01:44:00.620 --> 01:44:03.120 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Can you readily do that? asr-001223 01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:10.260 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Siguro naman may data kayo nga. asr-001224 01:44:11.240 --> 01:44:16.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. Ibibigay po ng DBM across all agencies po kasi yun. asr-001225 01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:19.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero pwede po sila magbigay ng consolidated. asr-001226 01:44:19.340 --> 01:44:23.380 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yes. Opo. Para pag tatanong ko mamaya sa DBM eh, pwede kong maging basapatayan. asr-001227 01:44:23.940 --> 01:44:24.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Apo. asr-001228 01:44:25.980 --> 01:44:28.280 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pagdating po sa LGSF. asr-001229 01:44:30.280 --> 01:44:32.920 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung 2026 po, 57 billion. asr-001230 01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:40.220 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2027 po ay 58 billion. asr-001231 01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:48.840 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ay sole discretionary fund ng presidente. asr-001232 01:44:50.540 --> 01:44:56.500 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Wala pong makakapag-disperse nito o makakapag-decision dito kundi ang ating pangulo. asr-001233 01:44:56.600 --> 01:44:59.460 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito ba'y isang presidential pork barrel? asr-001234 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:11.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, ang paggagawad po ng LGSF ay nakabase po doon sa pag-request ng mga local government units asr-001235 01:45:11.800 --> 01:45:18.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at yung binabantayan po na kriteriya sa pagdesisyon kung sino po yung gagawalan asr-001236 01:45:18.580 --> 01:45:22.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nakabase po doon sa special provision patungkol sa LGSF asr-001237 01:45:22.720 --> 01:45:26.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na nandun din po, nakapaloob din po sa General Appropriations Bill. asr-001238 01:45:26.400 --> 01:45:32.360 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Madam Chair, andito po sa akin ngayon yung mga parameters sa pagbibigay. asr-001239 01:45:32.460 --> 01:45:36.160 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Halos lahat pwede. Halos lahat pwede. asr-001240 01:45:36.320 --> 01:45:40.420 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Basta disisyonan ng Presidente, bibigay ko yan sa Naga, 500 million. asr-001241 01:45:41.040 --> 01:45:43.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Okay yan. Wala ng parameter. asr-001242 01:45:45.500 --> 01:45:52.040 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung kailan, kung saan, kung paano, kung sino, discretion ng Presidente. Tama ba? asr-001243 01:45:56.400 --> 01:45:57.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Okay. asr-001244 01:46:26.400 --> 01:46:35.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, yung determination po ng evaluation ng mga request ng mga local government units asr-001245 01:46:35.340 --> 01:46:37.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sits solely with the DBM po. asr-001246 01:46:38.180 --> 01:46:46.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi na po kailangan magsabi po o umabot po sa Presidente upang magdesisyon po kung sino po yung gagawaran. asr-001247 01:46:46.540 --> 01:46:50.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nakabase po doon sa parameters sa special provision. May menu po kasi doon. asr-001248 01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:56.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero ang sinasabi po sa atin ng DBM, up to the discretion of Congress po, asr-001249 01:46:56.400 --> 01:46:59.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung ano po yung gusto natin ipaloob doon po sa special provision, asr-001250 01:47:00.020 --> 01:47:07.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung meron po tayong mga karagdagang parameters o karagdagang menu na nais pong ilagay doon po sa special provision sa LGSF. asr-001251 01:47:08.500 --> 01:47:11.340 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig pong sabihin, may legislative power na ngayon ang DBM. asr-001252 01:47:12.400 --> 01:47:17.100 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Dahil sila na magdedetermine. Sila na magbibigay ng parameters. asr-001253 01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:21.440 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sila na magdedetermine kung magkano ibibigay, kung kanino ibibigay. asr-001254 01:47:22.160 --> 01:47:25.740 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kahit na, halimbawa, bibigyan ko ng, tatanungin ko po ang DBM ngayon. asr-001255 01:47:25.740 --> 01:47:26.540 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Nandito na sila. asr-001256 01:47:27.100 --> 01:47:29.180 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bakit nagbigay ng 500 million sa Naga? asr-001257 01:47:29.660 --> 01:47:35.280 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Second to the richest city ang Naga sa Bicol. asr-001258 01:47:36.320 --> 01:47:41.840 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung city ni Congresswoman Representative Criselle Lagman, mas mahirap. asr-001259 01:47:42.400 --> 01:47:45.160 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung pong Masbate sa Bicol, napaka mahirap. asr-001260 01:47:45.500 --> 01:47:47.900 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung pong Iriga City, napaka hirap. asr-001261 01:47:48.060 --> 01:47:53.220 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano kung naging batayan, bakit magbibigay ng basketball court? asr-001262 01:47:53.220 --> 01:47:55.160 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po pala. Stayed yung sa Naga. asr-001263 01:47:55.740 --> 01:47:56.680 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano pong parameters? asr-001264 01:47:57.040 --> 01:48:01.120 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung ba ang priority para o yung mga mahihirap ng mga local government? asr-001265 01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:09.220 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: O pinupulitika lang ito ni Presidente dahil gusto niyang maging kakampi si Mayor Lenny Robredo? asr-001266 01:48:09.400 --> 01:48:11.020 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ba batayan ng pagbabadget? asr-001267 01:48:11.020 --> 01:48:24.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, most definitely po wala pong legislative power na ine-exercise ang DBM. asr-001268 01:48:25.740 --> 01:48:34.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Batay lang po yung kanilang kriteriya doon po sa special provision na nakapaloob sa ating General Appropriations Act na ino-authorize po ng Kongreso. asr-001269 01:48:35.140 --> 01:48:50.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nandito po, ibinigay po, nandito po sa atin yung menu ng LGSF at meron din po kami kinukuha lang po na yun po yung memorandum circular para po doon sa kriteriya na kanilang sinusunod. asr-001270 01:48:50.480 --> 01:48:54.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero definitely po within the parameters set forth by Congress. asr-001271 01:48:54.140 --> 01:49:01.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung kanilang pamantayan para po sa pag-disperse, pag-evaluate ng LGSF projects. asr-001272 01:49:01.820 --> 01:49:05.000 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ang mga components. asr-001273 01:49:05.380 --> 01:49:11.520 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Financial assistance to LGUs for agriculture related programs, agri-support, farm produce. asr-001274 01:49:12.420 --> 01:49:15.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po ba ito trabaho ng Department of Agriculture? asr-001275 01:49:17.400 --> 01:49:23.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po ba magiging fragmented ang implementation ng agricultural program? asr-001276 01:49:24.140 --> 01:49:38.720 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung ibibigay na lang ito ng kung kanin-kaninong LGUs without coordination with the corresponding departments that is really in charge of agriculture? asr-001277 01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:54.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, sa kasalukoyin po kasi kaya po nagkakaroon ng ganyan na disbursement sa loob po ng LGSF ay dahil po pumayag po yung Kongreso na isama po yung LGSF. asr-001278 01:49:54.140 --> 01:49:59.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ito ang mga programa na ito sa menu na nakapaloob po doon po sa General Appropriations Act. asr-001279 01:50:00.040 --> 01:50:02.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya po nagkakaroon ng duplication po. asr-001280 01:50:03.120 --> 01:50:07.320 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi ba ito pagsusuko ng ating legislative powers? asr-001281 01:50:09.220 --> 01:50:12.200 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: That can be questioned before the courts? asr-001282 01:50:13.860 --> 01:50:22.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The decision as to which items would be included in the menu solely rests with Congress. asr-001283 01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:26.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we are not giving up legislative powers po. asr-001284 01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:31.680 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Natatandaan ko, Madam Speaker, Madam Chair, asr-001285 01:50:32.860 --> 01:50:37.900 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: noong panahon ni Pangulong Aquino, meron pong bottoms-up budgeting. asr-001286 01:50:38.980 --> 01:50:42.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yan po yung suporta ng national government sa mga local government. asr-001287 01:50:43.580 --> 01:50:48.620 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pero bawat line item inaaprobahan ng Kongreso. asr-001288 01:50:48.620 --> 01:50:51.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung merong bibigay sa naga, asr-001289 01:50:51.840 --> 01:50:52.480 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: aprobado, asr-001290 01:50:52.520 --> 01:50:54.380 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: may bibigay sa Sulu, asr-001291 01:50:54.780 --> 01:50:56.340 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: may bibigay sa iba't ibang probinsya, asr-001292 01:50:56.500 --> 01:50:57.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: aprobado ng Kongreso. asr-001293 01:50:58.240 --> 01:50:58.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ngayon lang, asr-001294 01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:02.640 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ngayon lang na ito ay sole discretionary. asr-001295 01:51:04.360 --> 01:51:06.560 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At hindi nyo pa sinasabing Pangulo, asr-001296 01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:09.640 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kundi BBM lang may discretion. asr-001298 01:51:38.980 --> 01:51:40.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ... asr-001299 01:51:40.180 --> 01:51:43.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, meron pong kasintalawang magkaibang component. asr-001300 01:51:44.260 --> 01:51:47.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun pong LGSF na pwede po natin gabitin asr-001301 01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:48.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: bilang halimbawa. asr-001302 01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:51.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung Falgo po, asr-001303 01:51:51.140 --> 01:51:53.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung financial assistance asr-001304 01:51:53.460 --> 01:51:55.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to LGUs. Yun po kasi asr-001305 01:51:55.660 --> 01:51:56.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po naka asr-001306 01:51:56.980 --> 01:51:59.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: per line item yung breakdown sa GAA. asr-001307 01:52:00.280 --> 01:52:01.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, the other asr-001308 01:52:01.500 --> 01:52:03.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: type po, which is for example asr-001309 01:52:03.320 --> 01:52:05.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: NTF-LCAC, kung makikita nyo po asr-001310 01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:07.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa NEP asr-001311 01:52:07.060 --> 01:52:09.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pa lamang, meron ng listahan asr-001312 01:52:09.380 --> 01:52:11.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga iba't-ibang mga beneficiary asr-001313 01:52:11.780 --> 01:52:13.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: barangays na pwede pong bigyan asr-001314 01:52:13.400 --> 01:52:15.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa ilalim na NTF-LCAC. So within asr-001315 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:17.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: LGSF itself, asr-001316 01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:19.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meron po ang dalawang variants. Yung asr-001317 01:52:19.300 --> 01:52:21.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Falgo na hindi po naka line asr-001318 01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:23.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: item. Tapos po yung NTF-LCAC asr-001319 01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:25.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na naka line item po. So asr-001320 01:52:25.320 --> 01:52:27.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ina-approbahan po natin per line item. asr-001321 01:52:27.300 --> 01:52:28.980 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 37 billion po yung asr-001322 01:52:28.980 --> 01:52:30.500 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Falgo dito ba? asr-001323 01:52:31.400 --> 01:52:32.480 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: May line item po ba yun? asr-001324 01:52:34.660 --> 01:52:35.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po. asr-001325 01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:37.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 37.45 asr-001326 01:52:37.100 --> 01:52:39.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: billion pesos po ang Falgo. asr-001327 01:52:39.660 --> 01:52:40.660 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: May line item po yan? asr-001328 01:52:45.020 --> 01:52:47.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Wala pong line item yung sa asr-001329 01:52:47.100 --> 01:52:49.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Falgo, but it is governed asr-001330 01:52:49.120 --> 01:52:51.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by the menu as asr-001331 01:52:51.120 --> 01:52:53.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: indicated in the special provision asr-001332 01:52:53.020 --> 01:52:54.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: approved by Congress. asr-001333 01:52:54.400 --> 01:52:56.840 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung ating aprobahan yan, hindi po ba tayo asr-001334 01:52:56.840 --> 01:52:59.020 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: we will be subjected to a violation asr-001335 01:52:59.020 --> 01:53:00.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: of the constitutional provision asr-001336 01:53:00.400 --> 01:53:02.840 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: of an undue delegation of asr-001337 01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:04.820 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: legislative power under Article asr-001338 01:53:04.820 --> 01:53:06.960 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 6, Section 1 of the asr-001339 01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:07.440 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Constitution? asr-001340 01:53:19.120 --> 01:53:22.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, meron na pong asr-001341 01:53:22.060 --> 01:53:24.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: previous Supreme Court ruling asr-001342 01:53:24.620 --> 01:53:26.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: citing that the LGSF asr-001343 01:53:26.480 --> 01:53:28.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is a valid expenditure. asr-001344 01:53:29.320 --> 01:53:30.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The Supreme Court in the case of asr-001345 01:53:30.900 --> 01:53:33.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Belgica v. Secretary of Budget asr-001346 01:53:33.000 --> 01:53:35.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and Management et al. ruled that asr-001347 01:53:35.140 --> 01:53:36.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the LGSF complies with the asr-001348 01:53:36.980 --> 01:53:38.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: rule on singular correspondence asr-001349 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:41.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because it has the discernible singular asr-001350 01:53:41.100 --> 01:53:43.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: appropriation purpose of asr-001351 01:53:43.040 --> 01:53:45.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: providing funds for the support to local asr-001352 01:53:45.040 --> 01:53:46.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: government units. Moreover, asr-001353 01:53:47.080 --> 01:53:48.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: LGSF satisfies asr-001354 01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:50.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: both the completeness and sufficient asr-001355 01:53:50.620 --> 01:53:52.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: standard test since, one, asr-001356 01:53:52.860 --> 01:53:54.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it specifies the standards by asr-001357 01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:57.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which set the limits asr-001358 01:53:57.000 --> 01:53:58.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the executive's authority to asr-001359 01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:00.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: disperse the LGSF, and number asr-001360 01:54:00.640 --> 01:54:02.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: two, it determines the legislative asr-001361 01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:04.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: policy behind the fund, and finally, asr-001362 01:54:04.740 --> 01:54:07.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: number three, it identifies the condition asr-001363 01:54:07.020 --> 01:54:08.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under which the fund may be utilized. asr-001364 01:54:09.020 --> 01:54:10.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So meron na pong previous jurisprudence asr-001365 01:54:11.420 --> 01:54:11.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dito. asr-001366 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:14.680 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung asr-001367 01:54:14.680 --> 01:54:16.920 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: implementation of programs, project asr-001368 01:54:16.920 --> 01:54:18.640 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: activities, promotion of cultural, asr-001369 01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:20.560 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: heritage, rehabilitation, repair, asr-001370 01:54:20.700 --> 01:54:22.580 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: improvement of national heritage asr-001371 01:54:22.580 --> 01:54:23.340 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: structures. asr-001372 01:54:25.340 --> 01:54:26.320 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po ba ito asr-001373 01:54:26.320 --> 01:54:30.640 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ano po ang very asr-001374 01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:31.900 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: special dito para asr-001375 01:54:31.900 --> 01:54:34.240 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ipadaan sa asr-001376 01:54:34.240 --> 01:54:34.920 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: mga asr-001377 01:54:34.920 --> 01:54:38.560 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: local government, samantarang meron na pong asr-001378 01:54:38.560 --> 01:54:40.540 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: mga ahensya na mas asr-001379 01:54:40.540 --> 01:54:41.440 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: meron pong asr-001380 01:54:41.440 --> 01:54:44.540 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pakayahan, capability asr-001381 01:54:44.540 --> 01:54:47.080 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: to implement these projects. asr-001382 01:54:47.980 --> 01:54:48.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: National asr-001383 01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:50.200 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Heritage, meron po tayong asr-001384 01:54:50.200 --> 01:54:53.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ahensya para dyan. asr-001390 01:55:42.540 --> 01:55:44.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, meron po kasing asr-001391 01:55:44.780 --> 01:55:46.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mga local asr-001392 01:55:46.260 --> 01:55:48.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: government sites, ay mga local asr-001393 01:55:48.260 --> 01:55:48.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sites, asr-001394 01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:56.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na actually po hindi po nakapaloob doon po sa pinanghahawakan ng NHCP. asr-001395 01:55:56.460 --> 01:56:02.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So in cases like that po, may mga pagkakataon po na nag-request po yung mga LGUs. asr-001396 01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:20.000 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: For example po, Madam Speaker, ano po ba yung mga hindi nasasakop ng cultural heritage, rehabilitation and repair ng ahensya para sa National Heritage Commission? asr-001397 01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:40.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Isa pong halimbawa na binigay po ng DBM ay yung Old City Hall ng Cotabato. asr-001398 01:56:40.760 --> 01:56:44.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ito po kasi ay kinonvert na po sa isang museum. asr-001399 01:56:44.840 --> 01:56:56.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So isa po ito sa mga halimbawa na inirequest po sa kanila ng Cotabato City Government na mapondohan po sa ilalim po ng menu item B po. asr-001400 01:56:56.040 --> 01:56:59.940 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ba ay nadeklara ng heritage site? asr-001401 01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:04.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, nadeklara na po. asr-001402 01:57:04.440 --> 01:57:06.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bakit hindi po po pwedeng pondohan ang National Heritage Commission? asr-001403 01:57:09.940 --> 01:57:19.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po ito po ay isang, bagamat ito po ay nadeklara na bilang isang heritage site, nanatili po ito bilang isang LGU property. asr-001404 01:57:19.940 --> 01:57:23.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya po ang nag-maintain pa rin po ay yung local government unit. asr-001405 01:57:25.380 --> 01:57:31.380 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa pagkakaalam ko, may parameters sa pagkukumpuni, pagre-rehab. asr-001406 01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:39.380 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At ang mga heritage site at ang tanging authority dyan ay ang national heritage. asr-001407 01:57:42.600 --> 01:57:48.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, may mga pagkakataon po kasi na hindi naman po ganun kalakihan yung budget ng NHCP. asr-001408 01:57:48.740 --> 01:57:54.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So hindi din po nila na-accommodate lahat po ng mga nadeklara bilang heritage site. asr-001409 01:57:54.300 --> 01:58:01.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So may mga pagkakataon po na mismo yung mga local government units na po yung nag-initiate ng request sa ilalim po ng LGU. asr-001410 01:58:01.980 --> 01:58:07.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Para po mapondohan yung ganitong mga maintenance po or restoration ng mga heritage sites. asr-001411 01:58:07.820 --> 01:58:18.640 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So ibig pong sabihin, lahat na nakapaloob dito sa mga parameters neto, pwede nang hindi humingi sa mga departamento at mga ahensya ng national government at pwede nang dumiretsyo sa office of the president. asr-001412 01:58:18.920 --> 01:58:19.440 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba? asr-001413 01:58:22.300 --> 01:58:30.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, mayroon po itong mga complement sa iba't ibang mga programa ng mga ahensya ng gobyerno. asr-001414 01:58:31.100 --> 01:58:31.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, Pai, you just said it. asr-001415 01:58:31.980 --> 01:58:38.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I just want to clarify po, the request is not directed to the president but rather it's directed to DBM through a portal. asr-001416 01:58:39.620 --> 01:58:41.640 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: DBM is the alter ego of the president. asr-001417 01:58:42.900 --> 01:58:46.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pag pinadaan sa DBM, ang request po kay presidente, hindi sa DBM. asr-001418 01:58:48.860 --> 01:58:54.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The approval po, the evaluation and the approval stops at the level of DBM. asr-001419 01:58:55.880 --> 01:58:58.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi na po ito kailangang iakyat po sa office of the president. asr-001420 01:59:00.200 --> 01:59:01.820 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Construction, concreting, rehab. asr-001421 01:59:01.980 --> 01:59:08.600 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Repair of local roads, bridges, public markets, multi-purpose buildings, multi-purpose halls. asr-001422 01:59:09.780 --> 01:59:14.200 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po ba trabaho ito ng Department of Public Works and Highways? asr-001423 01:59:15.180 --> 01:59:20.740 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Di ba po ito, yan yung pinag-aawayan dito sa Kongreso kung saan may mga allocables ang mga kinatawan? asr-001424 01:59:22.980 --> 01:59:26.040 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ngayon po, inililipat na lang sa mga local governments? asr-001425 01:59:26.040 --> 01:59:26.140 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yes. asr-001426 01:59:28.740 --> 01:59:31.960 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Paano natin masisiguro na equitable ang distribution? asr-001427 01:59:31.980 --> 01:59:33.220 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang mga pondong ito? asr-001428 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:06.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, I agree with the Honorable Erice. asr-001429 02:00:06.620 --> 02:00:14.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually, opo, tama po yun. Meron din pong component yung DPWH na Basic Infrastructure Program or SIPAG asr-001430 02:00:14.980 --> 02:00:23.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung saan pwede pong mapondohan ng DPWH yun po mga local roads, yung mga multipurpose buildings sa iba't ibang mga lugar po. asr-001431 02:00:23.860 --> 02:00:31.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero binibigyan pa rin po ito dahil po kasama siya doon sa menu na na-aprobahan ng Kongreso. asr-001432 02:00:32.640 --> 02:00:35.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pwede po itong i-request sa ilalim po ng LGSF. asr-001433 02:00:35.480 --> 02:00:43.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Okay po. Para pa ang patunayan natin, Madam Speaker, Madam Chair, kung equitable yung distribution nitong LGSF. asr-001434 02:00:45.020 --> 02:00:52.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Nakapag-release na po ba sila o sa mga local governments ng 2025, 37 billion po ang LGSF. asr-001435 02:00:53.860 --> 02:01:00.920 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: May mga na-release na po ba dyan? O naubos na yan? asr-001436 02:01:04.300 --> 02:01:07.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, opo, meron na pong ganong listahan. asr-001437 02:01:08.360 --> 02:01:16.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ayon po sa DBM, maaari po itong makita doon sa Compass na portal sa DBM website. asr-001438 02:01:16.620 --> 02:01:23.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nandun na po yung listahan ng mga releases sa ilalim po ng LGSF so far for 2025. asr-001439 02:01:23.860 --> 02:01:26.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Fiscal year 2026 po. asr-001440 02:01:27.680 --> 02:01:28.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: How about 2025? asr-001441 02:01:29.640 --> 02:01:36.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mula po 2022 hanggang so far po, half or until August of 2026. asr-001442 02:01:37.780 --> 02:01:44.260 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano po ang utilization rate ng LGSF 2025 and 2026? asr-001443 02:02:16.500 --> 02:02:21.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa taong 2025 po, asr-001444 02:02:21.980 --> 02:02:23.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang LGSF, asr-001445 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:34.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang released ay 59.74%, ang obligated po ay 13.01%, at ang disbursed po ay 4.15%. asr-001446 02:02:34.660 --> 02:02:48.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa 2026 po, as of July 22, ang released po ay 82.73%, obligated ay 20.2%, at yung disbursement po ay 43.1%. asr-001447 02:02:48.120 --> 02:02:50.760 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano po ang ano? 2026, ano po ang utilization rate? asr-001448 02:02:50.760 --> 02:02:51.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May... asr-001449 02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:53.760 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Anong gamitin natin? asr-001450 02:02:53.840 --> 02:03:03.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang basehan na lang po natin, Madam Speaker, yung released amount. asr-001451 02:03:03.480 --> 02:03:12.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So sa 2025 po, 59.74% out of the 18.95 billion pesos na allocation. asr-001452 02:03:13.160 --> 02:03:20.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At sa 2026 po, 82.73% out of the 37.49 billion allocation. asr-001453 02:03:20.060 --> 02:03:23.060 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig pong sabihin yung utilization ng 2026. asr-001454 02:03:23.840 --> 02:03:27.140 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig pong sabihin yung utilization ng 2026 ay mas mataas kaysa sa 2025. asr-001455 02:03:27.380 --> 02:03:28.000 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan? asr-001456 02:03:28.300 --> 02:03:30.380 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 82% ang utilization. asr-001457 02:03:52.150 --> 02:03:52.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po yan. asr-001460 02:03:53.160 --> 02:03:59.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang base po sa datos ng DBM, mas mataas po yung utilization rate ng 2026 ng LGSF asr-001461 02:03:59.440 --> 02:04:01.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kumpara po sa 2025 ng LGSF. asr-001462 02:04:01.640 --> 02:04:04.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang kadahilanan po ay yung LGSF price. asr-001463 02:04:05.220 --> 02:04:07.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun po yung mataas yung utilization rate. asr-001464 02:04:07.820 --> 02:04:11.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Meron po siya sa 2026, pero wala po siya sa 2025. asr-001465 02:04:13.120 --> 02:04:19.280 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig pong sabihin, mas madaling na nagamit yung pondo ng 2026. asr-001466 02:04:20.000 --> 02:04:22.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bakit po kaya madaling na gamit yung price? asr-001467 02:04:22.400 --> 02:04:22.460 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bakit po kaya madaling na gamit yung price? asr-001468 02:04:23.160 --> 02:04:25.460 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Binamigay na lang lahat sa lahat yung rice. asr-001469 02:04:27.220 --> 02:04:35.920 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano po ang development economic impact nung pagbibigay ng bigas ng kanyang kalalaki? asr-001470 02:04:44.720 --> 02:04:50.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mabilis po kasi yung distribution ng rice kasi po lahat po ng mga LGUs sa buong bansa nabigyan po. asr-001471 02:04:50.940 --> 02:04:52.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So mas mabilis po siya kumpara sa halimbawa. asr-001472 02:04:53.160 --> 02:04:58.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa yung individual projects na rinirequest po ng LGU doon sa portal. asr-001473 02:04:58.520 --> 02:05:07.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung dahilan po kung bakit ipinamigay po yung bigas ay bilang pagresponde po doon sa iba't ibang mga krisis. asr-001474 02:05:08.060 --> 02:05:16.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po yung pagtaas po ng presyo ng crudo, ng koryente, at yung mga nawalan din po ng trabaho. asr-001475 02:05:17.020 --> 02:05:18.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya kailangan po matugunan din po kagad. asr-001476 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:20.100 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Talagang ayuda rin po ito. asr-001477 02:05:22.040 --> 02:05:22.920 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ayuda to, di ba? asr-001478 02:05:24.020 --> 02:05:25.420 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Walang economic impact to eh. asr-001479 02:05:25.480 --> 02:05:27.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kundi pagbibigay ng bigas, limang kilo, sampung kilo. asr-001480 02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:32.800 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi ba ito patronage politics? asr-001481 02:05:36.460 --> 02:05:46.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There is an economic factor din po which is where we are endeavoring po na hindi po bumagsak sa below poverty line. asr-001482 02:05:46.360 --> 02:05:52.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung mga pamilya na pinaka-vulnerable po dito po sa mga ganitong external shock. asr-001483 02:05:53.160 --> 02:06:03.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there's also a multiplier effect in the sense that yung mga bigas po ay kinukuha sa mga local farmers. asr-001484 02:06:03.780 --> 02:06:10.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So meron po din guaranteed na bumibili noong bigas, yung mga palay, yung mga produkto na ating mga magsasaka. asr-001485 02:06:10.640 --> 02:06:16.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So meron din po siyang economic, may economic ecosystem din po. asr-001486 02:06:17.240 --> 02:06:22.380 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Namomonitor po ba ng PBM yung pagbibigay ng bigas? asr-001487 02:06:23.160 --> 02:06:31.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang DILG po, ang nag-incharge po ng monitoring ng distribution ng LGS price. asr-001488 02:06:31.780 --> 02:06:34.420 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bibigyan ko po kayo ng isang example sa Kaloocan. asr-001489 02:06:35.260 --> 02:06:37.460 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung isang banko, Philippine Business Bank. asr-001490 02:06:37.660 --> 02:06:44.980 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Lahat na empleyado, from manager to ordinary employee, tigko 40 kilos na bigas. asr-001491 02:06:46.780 --> 02:06:47.800 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 40 kilos. asr-001492 02:06:48.460 --> 02:06:50.500 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So exclusively at the discretion. asr-001493 02:06:53.160 --> 02:06:59.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Paano nakakatulong ito sa mga mahirap kung ang binibigyan mo ang mga executive ng banko? asr-001494 02:07:04.500 --> 02:07:14.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, given that the DILG is in charge of the monitoring, yun po dapat yung mga bagay na huhuli ng DILG. asr-001495 02:07:15.040 --> 02:07:21.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So kung may mga ganito pong pagkakataon, dapat po ma-report po sa DILG para po matugunan nila. asr-001496 02:07:22.400 --> 02:07:23.140 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So meron po ba? asr-001497 02:07:23.160 --> 02:07:29.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito ang assessment na nagawa ang PBM sa utilization ng 2025 at least. asr-001498 02:07:30.060 --> 02:07:31.160 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2025 LGSF. asr-001499 02:07:32.560 --> 02:07:34.460 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: And can you furnish us a copy? asr-001500 02:07:34.460 --> 02:07:34.540 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you. asr-001501 02:07:53.160 --> 02:08:11.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, may I ask po our distinguished colleague, what sort of report po would you like for the 2025 utilization? asr-001502 02:08:11.020 --> 02:08:11.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: How it was distributed? asr-001503 02:08:12.600 --> 02:08:13.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: How it was distributed? asr-001504 02:08:13.940 --> 02:08:16.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of which LGUs po? asr-001506 02:08:17.040 --> 02:08:19.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Are the recipients the types of projects? asr-001507 02:08:19.920 --> 02:08:20.140 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yes. asr-001508 02:08:20.140 --> 02:08:20.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Apo. asr-001509 02:08:20.560 --> 02:08:23.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa kasalukuyan po, yung... asr-001510 02:08:23.160 --> 02:08:35.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So far po, yung roughly 52% na na-dispersed po for 2025, lahat po ng datos doon po sa releases, nandun na rin po, naka-upload na po sa Compass portal ng DBM. asr-001511 02:08:35.460 --> 02:08:36.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero magbibigay din po. asr-001512 02:08:36.640 --> 02:08:42.160 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang nakalagay po doon yung amount of releases o yung goods that were given? asr-001513 02:08:45.300 --> 02:08:50.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nandito po sa Compass, actually po, nakita ko po ngayon ang ganda po ng dashboard nila. asr-001514 02:08:51.180 --> 02:08:52.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And nandun po yung... asr-001515 02:08:53.160 --> 02:09:00.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Bawat proyekto at bawat LGU at magkano at kung anong klaseng proyekto po. asr-001516 02:09:00.560 --> 02:09:14.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po, NCR, Metro Manila, Manila, Multipurpose Building, Construction of Pamantasan ng Lungsod na Maynila, College of Allied Health Sciences, 500 million, year 2025 po. asr-001517 02:09:15.040 --> 02:09:17.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So pwede nating ma-filter po yun doon po sa Compass website. asr-001518 02:09:18.180 --> 02:09:22.420 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa apalagay niyo po, Madam Chair, equitable po ang distribution nito? asr-001519 02:09:23.160 --> 02:09:23.900 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Equitable. asr-001520 02:09:36.540 --> 02:09:43.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For 2026 po, Madam Speaker, equitable po dahil po lahat binigyan. asr-001521 02:09:44.300 --> 02:09:48.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung 2025 po, nakabatay po kasi sa kung sino yung nag-request. asr-001522 02:09:48.240 --> 02:09:53.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So posible po na may ibang mga LGU, may ibang mga probinsya. asr-001523 02:09:53.160 --> 02:09:56.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Na hindi po nag-request. So wala po silang natanggap. asr-001524 02:09:56.880 --> 02:10:02.820 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So sa 2027 po, paano po i-dedistribute ito? asr-001525 02:10:16.420 --> 02:10:23.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Para po sa taong 2027, dahil po yung panukalang amount po ng LGU, asr-001526 02:10:23.140 --> 02:10:27.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: GSF ay parehas doon sa 2026 ga. asr-001527 02:10:27.720 --> 02:10:32.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang intensyon po ayon sa DBM ay pareho pa rin po yung distribution. asr-001528 02:10:32.560 --> 02:10:37.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So with regard to rice, lahat pa rin po na local government units mabibigyan. asr-001529 02:10:37.700 --> 02:10:46.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And with regard to infrastructure po, it would still depend on whether there's an LGU that requested from a particular area. asr-001530 02:10:46.160 --> 02:10:52.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And it would still be consistent po with the same menu and criteria that we approve. asr-001531 02:10:52.220 --> 02:10:57.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So in the 2027 ga, under the special provision for LGSF. asr-001532 02:10:57.060 --> 02:10:59.480 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: With the indulgence of our good mentor. asr-001533 02:10:59.480 --> 02:11:00.900 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Last question, ma'am. Thank you. asr-001534 02:11:04.200 --> 02:11:11.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kaya po ako nagtatanong, sapagkat napakamahalaga po na masinop yung paggamit natin ng 7.2 trillion. asr-001535 02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:21.420 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sapagkat sa 17.2 trillion, ang projected government revenue ay 5.2 trillion lamang. Tama po? asr-001536 02:11:22.220 --> 02:11:24.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At yun ay projected pa lang. asr-001537 02:11:26.420 --> 02:11:29.620 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa bagsak nating GDP, baka hindi pa ma-realize. asr-001538 02:11:31.060 --> 02:11:36.980 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pagkatapos po, ang uutangin natin para ponduhan nito ay 1.69 trillion. asr-001539 02:11:38.620 --> 02:11:46.640 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa 1.69 trillion po, for development projects, kasama na yung mga ayuda, 1.1 trillion. asr-001540 02:11:46.640 --> 02:11:52.060 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig sabihin, yung napuponduhan ng pagutang natin, pati yung personal services, asr-001541 02:11:52.220 --> 02:11:55.080 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pati yung MOOE. Kaya po mahalaga. asr-001542 02:11:56.280 --> 02:12:07.420 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At pagkatapos po, kailangan pa nating mangutang muli ng 3.3 trillion para bayaran yung mga nag-mature na utang natin. asr-001543 02:12:07.780 --> 02:12:08.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan? asr-001544 02:12:10.420 --> 02:12:18.380 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Aside from the 1.69 trillion na uutangin para ponduhan ng 2027 national budget, asr-001545 02:12:18.780 --> 02:12:21.400 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: mangungutang na naman tayo ng 3.3. asr-001546 02:12:22.220 --> 02:12:27.540 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 3.3 trillion para bayaran yung mga maturing na utang. asr-001547 02:12:28.040 --> 02:12:28.880 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan? asr-001548 02:12:34.320 --> 02:12:44.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, if we may clarify po, the 3.3 trillion peso borrowing already includes the deficit of 1.69. asr-001549 02:12:44.800 --> 02:12:49.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, kabuuan na po na borrowing po natin yung 3.3 trillion. asr-001550 02:12:50.340 --> 02:12:51.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasama na po yung deficit. asr-001551 02:12:51.620 --> 02:12:53.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tapos on top po yung iba pa. asr-001552 02:12:55.280 --> 02:13:07.040 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ibig sabihin po, ang 1.69 trillion yung utangin for the 2027 national budget. Tama po? asr-001553 02:13:14.540 --> 02:13:15.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, tama po yan. asr-001554 02:13:15.780 --> 02:13:21.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.694 trillion para po doon sa 2027 budget. asr-001555 02:13:21.240 --> 02:13:22.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Para po mapondohan. asr-001556 02:13:22.720 --> 02:13:25.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At yung remainder po ay... asr-001557 02:13:25.020 --> 02:13:28.940 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang 1.6 trillion ay yun naman yung pangbayad po. asr-001558 02:13:29.960 --> 02:13:34.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pangbayad po is doon sa mga nag-mature na natin na mga utang. asr-001559 02:13:36.280 --> 02:13:37.800 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, payment of maturities. asr-001560 02:13:38.180 --> 02:13:39.220 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, utangin natin ulit yun. asr-001561 02:13:39.460 --> 02:13:43.560 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ibig pong sabihin, next year, after 2027, lalaki na naman. asr-001562 02:13:44.180 --> 02:13:46.920 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Mas langong lalaki yung ating interest payment. asr-001563 02:13:47.160 --> 02:13:47.760 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan? asr-001564 02:13:47.760 --> 02:13:49.140 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan? asr-001565 02:14:11.600 --> 02:14:16.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po, madam speaker. Last year po kasi, 0.996 trillion po yun po interest payments. asr-001566 02:14:16.960 --> 02:14:20.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa 2027 po, 1.114. asr-001567 02:14:20.360 --> 02:14:21.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At sa 2027, 1.114. asr-001569 02:14:22.500 --> 02:14:28.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At sa 2028, ang forecast po, although very preliminary, tataas din po kumpada sa 2027. asr-001570 02:14:28.380 --> 02:14:37.800 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang ibig sabihin po ba dito ay lilit muli ang fiscal space for 2028? asr-001571 02:14:42.300 --> 02:14:45.060 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: With the indulgence of our good colleague. asr-001572 02:14:45.500 --> 02:14:46.100 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Last question. asr-001573 02:14:46.100 --> 02:14:49.100 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: You have an... asr-001574 02:14:50.340 --> 02:14:51.100 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: You're... asr-001575 02:14:51.220 --> 02:14:55.860 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: You have exceeded the 30-minute rule. asr-001576 02:14:56.860 --> 02:14:59.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam speaker, if I may respond po. asr-001577 02:14:59.140 --> 02:14:59.980 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Very quickly, please. asr-001578 02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:15.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The last question. Sa kasalukuyan po, publicly available na rin po ang initial po na inaprobahan ng DBCC para po sa 2028 budget ay 7.2 trillion pesos pa rin po. asr-001579 02:15:15.320 --> 02:15:32.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, preliminarily po, preliminarily, yun po yung naaprobahan ng DBCC. So, tama po na dahil tataas yung interest payment sa 2028 pero po mananatiling 7.2 trillion pesos yung kabuuan ng budget. asr-001580 02:15:32.840 --> 02:15:38.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In essence po, kinakain niya po yung ating fiscal space. So, ninipis po na konti yung fiscal space. asr-001581 02:15:38.920 --> 02:15:39.880 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Maraming salamat po. asr-001582 02:15:40.220 --> 02:15:43.000 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Thank you very much, Congressman Erice. Majority Leader? asr-001583 02:15:43.000 --> 02:15:45.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po, Madam Speaker. asr-001584 02:15:45.420 --> 02:15:47.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po to the Honorable Ege Erice. asr-001585 02:15:48.640 --> 02:15:54.440 Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable Robert Nazal of the BH Party List Interpolation. asr-001586 02:15:54.440 --> 02:15:57.080 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Honorable Nazal is recognized for his interpolation. asr-001587 02:16:03.820 --> 02:16:05.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Chair. asr-001588 02:16:12.120 --> 02:16:15.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, through you, to the DBM. asr-001589 02:16:15.320 --> 02:16:24.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Your own 2026 NEP still contained the long-standing prohibition against impoundment of appropriations. asr-001590 02:16:26.020 --> 02:16:42.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: But in the enacted 2026 GAA, this was replaced by Section 78, suspension of expenditure, which allows the President to stop expenditure when public interest so requires. asr-001591 02:16:42.160 --> 02:16:45.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: The same provision is again proposed. asr-001592 02:16:45.320 --> 02:17:02.460 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, my question, Madam Chair, is Section 38 of the Administrative Code already gave the President authority to suspend expenditure when public interest so requires. asr-001593 02:17:02.460 --> 02:17:15.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: If that authority already exists, why was it necessary to remove the long-standing prohibition against impoundment provision and replace it with this provision? asr-001596 02:17:21.100 --> 02:17:22.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po, Madam Chair. asr-001597 02:17:22.180 --> 02:17:29.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, it is simply a reiteration of what is indicated in Section 38 of EO 292. asr-001598 02:17:30.720 --> 02:17:34.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And actually po ginagawa rin naman po natin yun, hindi lang sa provision na to. asr-001599 02:17:34.860 --> 02:17:42.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May iba din po mga special provisions and general provisions na simple reiteration ng po sila noong pong substantive law. asr-001609 02:17:43.800 --> 02:17:45.260 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero originally po asr-001611 02:17:45.260 --> 02:17:46.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for the last 20 years asr-001612 02:17:46.820 --> 02:17:49.260 Rep. Roberto Nazal: binabawal natin yung impounding asr-001613 02:17:49.260 --> 02:17:50.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that's why asr-001614 02:17:50.560 --> 02:17:53.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for the last 20 years since 2007 asr-001615 02:17:53.480 --> 02:17:54.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: very specific asr-001616 02:17:54.680 --> 02:17:57.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang nilalagay po natin asr-001617 02:17:57.120 --> 02:17:59.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: up to the 2026 asr-001618 02:17:59.520 --> 02:18:00.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: NEP asr-001619 02:18:00.240 --> 02:18:05.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: prohibition section 74 asr-001620 02:18:05.720 --> 02:18:07.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: up to the 2026 NEP asr-001621 02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:09.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: prohibition against impoundment asr-001622 02:18:09.520 --> 02:18:10.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: of appropriations asr-001623 02:18:10.540 --> 02:18:13.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ngayon bigla na lang natin binago asr-001624 02:18:13.780 --> 02:18:14.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nung asr-001625 02:18:14.940 --> 02:18:17.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ga-a ng 2026 asr-001626 02:18:17.340 --> 02:18:24.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: so may I ask asr-001627 02:18:24.120 --> 02:18:26.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: what additional authority ba asr-001628 02:18:26.360 --> 02:18:28.320 Rep. Roberto Nazal: if any was intended asr-001629 02:18:28.320 --> 02:18:30.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: to be given to the president asr-001630 02:18:30.100 --> 02:18:32.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: meron po ba asr-001631 02:18:32.580 --> 02:18:33.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: additional authority asr-001632 02:18:33.880 --> 02:18:35.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kaya natin inintroduce to asr-001633 02:18:35.400 --> 02:18:36.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: at tinanggal natin yung impounding asr-001634 02:18:36.980 --> 02:18:40.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: okay asr-001636 02:19:13.780 --> 02:19:20.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, that is correct po. asr-001637 02:19:20.560 --> 02:19:28.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2026 GAA is the first wherein the terminology suspension of expenditure was used. asr-001638 02:19:28.100 --> 02:19:35.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, in previous GAAs where impoundment was used, in terms of the concept and the spirit, it's the same po. asr-001639 02:19:35.980 --> 02:19:38.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We just changed the terminology in the 2026 GAA. asr-001640 02:19:41.240 --> 02:19:42.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: But why did we change it? asr-001641 02:19:42.940 --> 02:19:49.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Are we giving the President or the Executive additional authority by doing so? asr-001642 02:19:50.160 --> 02:19:55.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, this is really just for consistency with EO 292 asr-001643 02:19:55.940 --> 02:20:01.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the terminology that is used in EO 292 is suspension of expenditure. asr-001644 02:20:01.940 --> 02:20:08.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So just to be consistent po, given that we are reiterating that substantive law in the general provision of the GAA, asr-001645 02:20:09.280 --> 02:20:12.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: just to be consistent po, in the 2026 GAA, we also, asr-001646 02:20:12.940 --> 02:20:16.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: carried the terminology suspension of expenditure. asr-001647 02:20:16.560 --> 02:20:20.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, wala po tayong, Madam Chair, we are not Distinguished Colleague, asr-001648 02:20:20.560 --> 02:20:25.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: wala po tayong dinadagdag na additional authority sa Presidente? asr-001649 02:20:27.320 --> 02:20:33.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Wala po, Madam Speaker, we can categorically say we are not adding any more power. asr-001650 02:20:33.900 --> 02:20:36.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We are just simply reiterating what is there in EO 292. asr-001651 02:20:36.980 --> 02:20:40.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So we changed it because of a reiteration. asr-001652 02:20:41.100 --> 02:20:42.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Just to be consistent po. asr-001653 02:20:42.940 --> 02:20:47.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague, who proposed or requested this change? asr-001654 02:20:48.260 --> 02:20:51.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Was it the DBM, the DOF or the Executive Department? asr-001655 02:20:53.280 --> 02:20:56.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And sino po ang nag-introduce nito sa BICAM? asr-001657 02:21:27.280 --> 02:21:28.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pakipause yung time ko, please. asr-001658 02:21:34.160 --> 02:21:36.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: My time is running. Can you please pause it? asr-001668 02:26:04.100 --> 02:26:06.300 Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed. The sponsor may respond quickly. asr-001668-split-2 02:26:06.300 --> 02:26:12.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. So for this particular general provision, asr-001669 02:26:12.940 --> 02:26:14.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This was concurred by both houses, asr-001670 02:26:14.820 --> 02:26:16.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: both chambers, during the asr-001671 02:26:16.820 --> 02:26:17.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: BICAM. asr-001672 02:26:18.700 --> 02:26:20.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So who introduced this in the asr-001673 02:26:20.780 --> 02:26:22.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: BICAM? Madam Chair? asr-001674 02:26:24.380 --> 02:26:27.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And sino po ang nag-recommend asr-001675 02:26:27.200 --> 02:26:28.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: na ipasok ito sa BICAM? asr-001676 02:26:35.500 --> 02:26:36.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-001677 02:26:37.000 --> 02:26:39.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I don't want asr-001678 02:26:39.100 --> 02:26:40.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to make a mistake po. So, asr-001679 02:26:40.400 --> 02:26:41.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with the indulgence of asr-001680 02:26:41.920 --> 02:26:42.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Representative asr-001681 02:26:42.760 --> 02:26:44.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nasal, may we asr-001682 02:26:44.300 --> 02:26:46.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: request for some time to look back at the asr-001683 02:26:46.720 --> 02:26:48.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: records of the BICAM asr-001684 02:26:48.640 --> 02:26:50.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and see po. We'll just trace back asr-001685 02:26:50.800 --> 02:26:52.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po, just to make sure we answer asr-001686 02:26:52.640 --> 02:26:53.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: correctly. asr-001687 02:26:59.760 --> 02:27:00.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: While we're doing asr-001688 02:27:00.860 --> 02:27:02.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that po, may we proceed with other questions asr-001689 02:27:02.800 --> 02:27:04.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and then we'll get back to you po asr-001690 02:27:04.680 --> 02:27:06.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as soon as we asr-001691 02:27:06.340 --> 02:27:07.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: were able to backtrack. asr-001692 02:27:08.440 --> 02:27:10.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay. My question, asr-001693 02:27:11.020 --> 02:27:12.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague, asr-001694 02:27:12.760 --> 02:27:12.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: is asr-001695 02:27:12.960 --> 02:27:16.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: when we asr-001696 02:27:16.620 --> 02:27:17.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: introduced yung asr-001697 02:27:17.740 --> 02:27:20.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: provision on impoundment, asr-001698 02:27:20.920 --> 02:27:22.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang purpose po asr-001699 02:27:22.900 --> 02:27:24.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: natin is ma-implement asr-001700 02:27:24.400 --> 02:27:26.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung GAA. asr-001701 02:27:27.060 --> 02:27:28.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ayaw natin na mag-impound. asr-001702 02:27:29.340 --> 02:27:30.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, basically, ang ginawa natin asr-001703 02:27:30.840 --> 02:27:32.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng ngayon by introducing this provision, asr-001704 02:27:34.400 --> 02:27:36.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: tinatanggal natin yung asr-001705 02:27:36.340 --> 02:27:38.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: provision on impounding asr-001706 02:27:40.640 --> 02:27:41.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and asr-001707 02:27:41.640 --> 02:27:42.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: we are asr-001708 02:27:42.760 --> 02:27:44.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: making, parang asr-001709 02:27:44.740 --> 02:27:46.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: naglalagay na naman tayo ng kulatilya asr-001710 02:27:46.640 --> 02:27:48.260 Rep. Roberto Nazal: na pwedeng asr-001711 02:27:48.260 --> 02:27:50.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: mamili asr-001712 02:27:50.800 --> 02:27:52.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng mga project na pwedeng asr-001713 02:27:52.600 --> 02:27:55.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: isuspend. Hindi po ba ganoon na nangyayari? asr-001714 02:28:01.960 --> 02:28:03.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, asr-001715 02:28:04.460 --> 02:28:05.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Distinguished Colleague. asr-001716 02:28:08.360 --> 02:28:09.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-001717 02:28:10.480 --> 02:28:12.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually po, even without this general provision, asr-001718 02:28:12.760 --> 02:28:14.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the GAA, given that asr-001719 02:28:14.660 --> 02:28:16.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there is already EO 292, asr-001720 02:28:17.360 --> 02:28:18.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meron na yun po talagang asr-001721 02:28:18.900 --> 02:28:20.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ganon. So, the GAA is simply asr-001722 02:28:20.840 --> 02:28:22.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a reiteration of that. So, we were asr-001723 02:28:22.880 --> 02:28:24.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: not the ones who actually asr-001724 02:28:24.300 --> 02:28:26.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: implemented that, asr-001725 02:28:26.700 --> 02:28:28.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but rather we are simply just reiterating. asr-001726 02:28:28.740 --> 02:28:30.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, why introduce it in the first place, asr-001727 02:28:31.080 --> 02:28:31.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair? asr-001728 02:28:32.740 --> 02:28:34.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Meron na tayong provision asr-001729 02:28:34.940 --> 02:28:36.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: prior to this asr-001730 02:28:36.760 --> 02:28:38.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: on impounding, which protects asr-001731 02:28:38.880 --> 02:28:40.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the GAA from being asr-001732 02:28:40.940 --> 02:28:41.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: um asr-001733 02:28:41.620 --> 02:28:41.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: um asr-001734 02:28:41.840 --> 02:28:45.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: , which protects asr-001735 02:28:45.200 --> 02:28:46.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the GAA from being implemented. asr-001736 02:28:48.500 --> 02:28:49.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Protects the GAA asr-001737 02:28:49.640 --> 02:28:51.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: na hindi po siya asr-001738 02:28:51.060 --> 02:28:52.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pwede mag-impound asr-001739 02:28:52.920 --> 02:28:54.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang executive ng basta-basta. asr-001740 02:28:54.740 --> 02:28:56.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, why did we have to remove this provision? asr-001741 02:28:57.660 --> 02:28:58.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, actually, asr-001742 02:28:58.820 --> 02:29:00.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: speaking to DBM, they're actually asr-001743 02:29:00.920 --> 02:29:02.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: okay with removing this. asr-001744 02:29:02.920 --> 02:29:04.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, they're okay with removing this? asr-001745 02:29:04.340 --> 02:29:06.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: They will submit to the wisdom of Congress with regard to this. asr-001746 02:29:07.560 --> 02:29:08.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But, it was asr-001747 02:29:08.900 --> 02:29:10.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: simply a reiteration, but asr-001748 02:29:10.380 --> 02:29:12.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: they will submit to our wisdom asr-001749 02:29:12.380 --> 02:29:14.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we choose to take this out asr-001750 02:29:14.400 --> 02:29:16.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the 2027 GAA. asr-001751 02:29:17.280 --> 02:29:17.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay. asr-001752 02:29:18.760 --> 02:29:19.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Um, asr-001753 02:29:20.200 --> 02:29:22.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: thank you for that. asr-001754 02:29:23.160 --> 02:29:24.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, pero Madam Chair, asr-001755 02:29:24.240 --> 02:29:26.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: since nandito pa rin siya sa asr-001756 02:29:26.020 --> 02:29:28.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: 2026, and we applied it to ano, asr-001757 02:29:28.520 --> 02:29:29.380 Rep. Roberto Nazal: gusto ko lang tanungin, asr-001758 02:29:30.500 --> 02:29:32.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: um, unmanageable asr-001759 02:29:32.200 --> 02:29:33.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: national government budget deficit asr-001760 02:29:33.980 --> 02:29:35.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: is specifically defined asr-001761 02:29:35.620 --> 02:29:38.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: dun sa 2026. asr-001762 02:29:39.140 --> 02:29:39.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Um, asr-001763 02:29:40.380 --> 02:29:40.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: GAA. asr-001764 02:29:42.060 --> 02:29:44.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: But when public interest so requires, asr-001765 02:29:44.600 --> 02:29:45.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: it's not similarly defined. asr-001766 02:29:47.020 --> 02:29:49.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: May I ask, ano yung concrete example asr-001767 02:29:49.180 --> 02:29:51.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng public interest na sapat asr-001768 02:29:51.240 --> 02:29:53.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: para ipatigil ang expenditure asr-001769 02:29:53.360 --> 02:29:54.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for a project? asr-001770 02:29:55.480 --> 02:29:56.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Change of policy? asr-001771 02:29:57.000 --> 02:29:57.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Change of priority? asr-001772 02:29:57.880 --> 02:29:59.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: May problema? asr-001773 02:30:00.000 --> 02:30:02.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano malya? Ano ba ang objective standard natin? asr-001774 02:30:04.660 --> 02:30:07.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And has this provision been invoked already in 2026? asr-001775 02:30:10.580 --> 02:30:15.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, there is actually jurisprudence with regard to this matter. asr-001776 02:30:15.780 --> 02:30:26.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The Supreme Court has already ruled that the definition of when public interest requires is quite vague. asr-001777 02:30:26.880 --> 02:30:31.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In essence, leaving it up to the President to decide on that. asr-001778 02:30:32.120 --> 02:30:40.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But we're pulling right now, Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, this specific jurisprudence so we can cite it correctly. asr-001779 02:30:42.380 --> 02:30:46.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung Arawlio po. Arawlio. You can look at Arawlio. asr-001780 02:30:53.980 --> 02:30:56.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DBM is just pulling. asr-001781 02:30:56.880 --> 02:30:58.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The DBM is just pulling up the specific jurisprudence. asr-001782 02:31:00.120 --> 02:31:05.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague, has this been invoked in 2026? asr-001783 02:31:08.160 --> 02:31:13.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, no. This particular general provision has not been invoked. asr-001784 02:31:16.820 --> 02:31:19.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Diretso ko na lang po dun sa susunod kong tanong. asr-001785 02:31:22.380 --> 02:31:26.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, under the new Section 78, asr-001786 02:31:26.880 --> 02:31:34.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pwede ba ninyong gamitin ang public interest para hindi na i-release ang allotment for a project in the first place? asr-001787 02:31:34.860 --> 02:31:35.320 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes or no? asr-001788 02:31:56.880 --> 02:32:06.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the answer is no po, given that these speak of two different things. asr-001789 02:32:07.180 --> 02:32:09.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Releases is different from suspension. asr-001790 02:32:09.820 --> 02:32:14.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So this particular general provision only deals with suspension. asr-001791 02:32:14.000 --> 02:32:22.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So hindi po pwedeng gamitin yung general provision na ito para hindi po i-release ang isa pong allocation or funding. asr-001792 02:32:23.920 --> 02:32:26.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Then Madam Chair, can DBM kadilis? asr-001793 02:32:26.880 --> 02:32:37.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: DBM kategorikali confirm that public interest under Section 78 cannot be used to withhold the initial release of an allotment. asr-001794 02:32:51.780 --> 02:32:54.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, yes, the category... asr-001795 02:32:54.440 --> 02:32:55.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: My apologies, yes and no. asr-001796 02:32:55.820 --> 02:32:56.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo confusing po. asr-001797 02:32:56.600 --> 02:33:00.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The categorical answer of DBM is no. asr-001798 02:33:01.260 --> 02:33:04.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi po pwedeng gamitin ito para mag-hold ng releases. asr-001799 02:33:05.180 --> 02:33:07.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Then Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague, asr-001800 02:33:07.780 --> 02:33:13.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: what provision now protects appropriations against impoundment asr-001801 02:33:13.220 --> 02:33:21.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: considering that the express prohibition against impoundment provision was removed? asr-001807 02:33:56.600 --> 02:33:57.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: May time? asr-001808 02:33:57.600 --> 02:33:58.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Please suspend. asr-001809 02:33:58.940 --> 02:33:59.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you. asr-001810 02:33:59.600 --> 02:34:00.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you. asr-001811 02:34:20.600 --> 02:34:22.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, if I may. asr-001812 02:34:23.900 --> 02:34:26.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: As a response, there is general provision number 3. asr-001813 02:34:27.600 --> 02:34:31.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Which pertains to the General Appropriations Act as allotment order. asr-001814 02:34:32.300 --> 02:34:43.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It says here that the General Appropriations Act upon its effectivity shall be considered the allotment authorizing agencies to obligate in accordance with its provisions except for two conditions. asr-001815 02:34:43.260 --> 02:34:56.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The first would be the appropriations that by virtue of law, general or special provisions, and rules and regulations, have conditions or requirements before release, and lump sum appropriations in the agency budget. asr-001816 02:34:56.600 --> 02:35:03.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And special purpose funds that have no details necessary for release. So yun po yung safeguard, General Provision No. 3 po. asr-001817 02:35:03.440 --> 02:35:06.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Can you please asr-001818 02:35:06.040 --> 02:35:17.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there are specific conditions by which a particular allotment would not be released; otherwise the general rule is it should be released. asr-001819 02:35:17.500 --> 02:35:21.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bakit po yung ano? Bakit po yung based doon sa NEP? asr-001820 02:35:21.620 --> 02:35:24.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bakit po yung congressional initiatives asr-001821 02:35:24.600 --> 02:35:24.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bakit po? asr-001826 02:35:26.260 --> 02:35:40.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bakit po yung congressional initiatives, nirequire ng aficero tapos nag-require ng additional requirements? asr-001827 02:35:42.020 --> 02:35:45.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Wala po yun sa binasa nyo, Madam Chair. asr-001828 02:35:46.020 --> 02:35:50.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In the case po, I wouldn't call them congressional initiatives. asr-001829 02:35:50.140 --> 02:35:57.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Those are probably, with your permission po, we'll tag them as items that have deviations between the NEP and the GAA. asr-001830 02:35:58.440 --> 02:36:03.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun po kasi, those are items that have not been vetted by the DBM. asr-001831 02:36:04.520 --> 02:36:12.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It didn't go through the usual process that the other projects had to undergo during the budget call. asr-001832 02:36:12.800 --> 02:36:17.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in that case po, it's an additional safeguard on the part of DBM asr-001833 02:36:17.360 --> 02:36:19.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to be able to make sure that these projects, asr-001834 02:36:19.780 --> 02:36:23.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: comply with the same requirements as the projects in the NEP. asr-001835 02:36:23.360 --> 02:36:27.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, meron pong ganong additional safeguard, kaya po naging FISARO po. asr-001836 02:36:28.000 --> 02:36:31.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano po yung legal basis para gawin yun? asr-001837 02:36:34.080 --> 02:36:45.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Every congressional initiative or amendment was done, dumaan po yan sa RDC and was properly vetted. asr-001839 02:36:52.620 --> 02:36:55.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I wanted to know what the legal basis was for the president to do a veto. asr-001840 02:36:55.200 --> 02:36:56.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Are you saying, Madam Chair, asr-001841 02:36:58.360 --> 02:37:00.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: distinguished colleague, na pag dumaan po sa atin, asr-001842 02:37:01.240 --> 02:37:03.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: dumaan po sa congressional, asr-001843 02:37:04.160 --> 02:37:06.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa House, dumaan sa Senate, hindi po natin binibeta? asr-001844 02:37:07.160 --> 02:37:10.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The legal basis po for this, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, asr-001845 02:37:10.820 --> 02:37:15.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is the veto power of the president as indicated in the veto message. asr-001846 02:37:16.200 --> 02:37:19.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There's a particular section there in the veto message that asr-001847 02:37:19.400 --> 02:37:23.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that pertains to increases in appropriations and new budgetary items. asr-001848 02:37:23.440 --> 02:37:32.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At doon po, linae out po yung mga conditions na kailangan po ma-meet for the release of these items asr-001849 02:37:32.200 --> 02:37:37.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that are either new budgetary items or saw increases in appropriations. asr-001850 02:37:38.000 --> 02:37:44.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: In the 2026 GAA, ano yung veto message? asr-001851 02:37:45.120 --> 02:37:47.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Saan po nakalagay na veto message yun? asr-001852 02:37:47.160 --> 02:37:50.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Wala po sa veto message yun. asr-001853 02:37:51.600 --> 02:37:57.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Doon po sa mismong veto message, it is under Section 6 with the header asr-001854 02:37:57.560 --> 02:38:01.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Increases in Appropriations and New Budgetary Items as Published po. asr-001855 02:38:02.300 --> 02:38:05.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: With the veto message as published in the official gazette. asr-001856 02:38:05.780 --> 02:38:09.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Under what provision po nakalagay sa veto message? asr-001857 02:38:09.820 --> 02:38:10.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Item 6 po. asr-001858 02:38:11.020 --> 02:38:12.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: What does it state specifically? asr-001859 02:38:12.620 --> 02:38:17.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It pertains to increases in appropriations and new budgetary items. asr-001860 02:38:17.160 --> 02:38:26.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I could read po the particular item if our distinguished colleague so desires. asr-001861 02:38:27.020 --> 02:38:30.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In the exercise of the budget execution function vested upon the executive branch, asr-001862 02:38:31.240 --> 02:38:37.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it is understood that the increases in appropriations and new budgetary items introduced by the Congress in this budget asr-001863 02:38:37.240 --> 02:38:40.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shall be subject to the national government's cash programming, asr-001864 02:38:40.880 --> 02:38:43.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: observance of prudent fiscal management, asr-001865 02:38:44.040 --> 02:38:46.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: applicable budget execution rules and procedures, asr-001866 02:38:46.520 --> 02:38:47.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and, asr-001867 02:38:47.160 --> 02:38:51.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and approval by the president based on the program priorities of the government. asr-001868 02:38:51.600 --> 02:38:56.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Considering that such releases in appropriations and new budgetary items will have corresponding effects asr-001869 02:38:56.480 --> 02:38:59.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on the outputs and outcomes of the agencies concerned, asr-001870 02:38:59.740 --> 02:39:03.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the DBM shall inform the said agencies of the changes in their respective appropriations asr-001871 02:39:03.940 --> 02:39:06.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and require the submission of their revised performance target. asr-001872 02:39:07.080 --> 02:39:11.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So nasa first paragraph po, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleagues, yung mga conditions. asr-001873 02:39:13.020 --> 02:39:15.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, Madam Chair, distinguished colleague. asr-001874 02:39:16.620 --> 02:39:17.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, asr-001875 02:39:17.160 --> 02:39:23.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: may I apply natin kung ang isang project ay nasa FISARO at wala pang SARO, asr-001876 02:39:23.680 --> 02:39:27.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: can public interest be invoked so that the SARO is never released? asr-001877 02:39:28.320 --> 02:39:28.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes or no? asr-001878 02:39:33.360 --> 02:39:38.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: My apologies, Madam Chair, Madam Speaker, medyo technical po kasi. asr-001879 02:39:38.740 --> 02:39:43.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May I request for the question to be reiterated, releases po ba or suspension? asr-001880 02:39:43.780 --> 02:39:46.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: No, I'll just... asr-001881 02:39:47.160 --> 02:39:47.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'll just repeat the question. asr-001882 02:39:48.000 --> 02:39:48.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, please po. asr-001883 02:39:48.760 --> 02:39:52.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung ang isang project po ay nasa FISARO at wala pang SARO, asr-001884 02:39:53.560 --> 02:39:57.320 Rep. Roberto Nazal: can public interest be invoked so that the SARO is never released? asr-001903 02:40:14.200 --> 02:40:22.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, given that the question pertains to releases of items categorized under FISARO, opo, sa ilalim po nitong Section 6 ng veto message, maaari pong mangyari yan. asr-001920 02:40:23.140 --> 02:40:23.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo. asr-001921 02:40:24.540 --> 02:40:36.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa ilalim po nitong section six ng veto message, maaari pong mangyari yan if several of the conditions, one of the conditions set forth are met. asr-001922 02:40:36.620 --> 02:40:37.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Either... asr-001923 02:40:37.940 --> 02:40:38.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi... asr-001924 02:40:38.980 --> 02:40:46.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It could either not meet the national government's cash programming or prudent fiscal management, asr-001925 02:40:46.620 --> 02:40:51.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or it went against applicable budget execution rules and procedures, asr-001926 02:40:52.440 --> 02:41:02.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if any of the conditions are not met, it is possible po that an item under PESARO will not be released under Section 6 of the veto message. asr-001927 02:41:02.540 --> 02:41:12.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: How about, Madam Chair, distinguished colleagues, how about appropriations or line items introduced or amended by Congress? asr-001928 02:41:12.000 --> 02:41:17.320 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can the Executive likewise refuse the release by invoking public interest? asr-001929 02:41:21.340 --> 02:41:39.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. Given that whichever was included in either the HGAB or the SGAB or the BICAM that was not there in the NEPFOS under new budgetary items or increases in appropriations, the same section holds po. So it is possible. asr-001930 02:41:39.580 --> 02:41:41.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, kung hindi po natin tatanggal, asr-001931 02:41:42.000 --> 02:41:48.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung hindi po natin tatanggalin yung provision, which okay naman na sinasabi ng DBM, willing silang tanggalin yung provision on suspension. asr-001932 02:41:51.320 --> 02:41:58.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: For 2026, bakit hindi po kasi, bakit hindi na lang veto ang nangyari? asr-001933 02:41:59.180 --> 02:42:05.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi parang nakakatakot po eh. Kung pagkatapos ba in-act ang GAA, pwede nang piliin ng Executive. asr-001934 02:42:05.680 --> 02:42:11.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Given this provision, pwede na pong piliin ng Executive kung alin ang ilalabas at alin ang hindi. asr-001935 02:42:12.000 --> 02:42:22.380 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi simply ang hindi i-invoke at alin ang hindi simply by invoking public interest, hindi pa parang nire-rewrite na ng Executive ang GAA. asr-001936 02:42:42.000 --> 02:43:06.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, ang nangyari po kasi kung dumedetsa po kaagad sa veto, given the volume of the line items of the budget that would be affected by the condition, asr-001937 02:43:06.240 --> 02:43:11.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which would be the increases in appropriations or the new budgetary items, asr-001938 02:43:12.000 --> 02:43:22.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: maapektuhan po kasi yung essentially marami pong mga projects and programs and activities na madi-disallow kung dalesyo po tayo sa veto. asr-001939 02:43:22.520 --> 02:43:27.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang ginawa nilang po as a safeguard, sinubject nilang po doon sa iba't ibang mga kondisyon. asr-001940 02:43:28.140 --> 02:43:38.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So if straight to veto po kasi, ang mangyayari matatanggal po lahat sila so that would affect economic growth and government expenditure. asr-001941 02:43:38.620 --> 02:43:41.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po ba pwede, Madam Chair, na very... asr-001942 02:43:42.000 --> 02:43:45.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Like you mentioned, very specific naman yung veto message. asr-001943 02:43:46.180 --> 02:43:52.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: It can be very specific where kung ano yung ayaw ng Presidente na provision, yun lang ang i-veto niya. asr-001944 02:43:59.820 --> 02:44:05.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And may I ask, bakit nyo po sinasabing maapektuhan ng economic growth? asr-001945 02:44:05.480 --> 02:44:11.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi parang ang sinasabi nyo, effectively, by saying that this will affect economic growth, asr-001946 02:44:12.000 --> 02:44:15.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi ba nyo sinasabi na parang gagamitin natin ito as savings? asr-001947 02:44:17.800 --> 02:44:23.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Mr. Speaker, actually po yun po yung ginawa ng Presidente. asr-001948 02:44:23.260 --> 02:44:28.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nag-line veto lang po siya ng particular items doon po sa 2026 budget. asr-001949 02:44:29.480 --> 02:44:40.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But ito po is the veto message, the Section 6 of veto message specifically governs increases in appropriations and new budgetary items. asr-001950 02:44:40.000 --> 02:44:41.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Based on your answer lang, Madam Chair. asr-001951 02:44:42.000 --> 02:44:44.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you very much, Mr. Presidente. asr-001952 02:44:44.000 --> 02:45:00.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Distinguished colleague, parang ang sinasabi nyo kasi, the reason why we introduced this provision is for the purpose na magkaroon ng flexibility yung Presidente para kung sakaling gagamitin niya, i-invoke niya yung public interest. asr-001953 02:45:00.000 --> 02:45:01.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: interest na asr-001954 02:45:01.860 --> 02:45:03.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: provision, ay pwede pong asr-001955 02:45:03.960 --> 02:45:06.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: gamitin yung pera asr-001956 02:45:06.200 --> 02:45:07.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: at ilipat sa ibang asr-001957 02:45:07.780 --> 02:45:09.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: mga proyekto. asr-001958 02:45:15.480 --> 02:45:16.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: May time, please. asr-001959 02:45:18.460 --> 02:45:19.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pakitigil. asr-001964 02:46:43.200 --> 02:46:59.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, actually po kahit wala po itong provision na 'to, kahit wala po itong general provision na 'to, the President has the power vested by the Constitution to use savings. asr-001965 02:47:00.000 --> 02:47:01.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Under Section 25, asr-001966 02:47:02.620 --> 02:47:04.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Subsection 5, asr-001967 02:47:04.380 --> 02:47:05.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Article 6 of the asr-001968 02:47:05.700 --> 02:47:07.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1987 Constitution, asr-001969 02:47:08.080 --> 02:47:09.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: no law shall be passed asr-001970 02:47:09.580 --> 02:47:11.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: authorizing any transfer asr-001971 02:47:11.280 --> 02:47:13.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of appropriations. However, asr-001972 02:47:13.880 --> 02:47:15.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the President, the President of the Senate, asr-001973 02:47:15.980 --> 02:47:17.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the Chief asr-001974 02:47:17.860 --> 02:47:19.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Justice of the Supreme Court, and the asr-001975 02:47:19.800 --> 02:47:21.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Heads of Constitutional Commissions asr-001976 02:47:21.340 --> 02:47:23.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: may, by law, be authorized asr-001977 02:47:23.940 --> 02:47:25.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to augment any item in the General asr-001978 02:47:25.840 --> 02:47:27.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Appropriations Law for their respective asr-001979 02:47:27.840 --> 02:47:29.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: offices from savings in other asr-001980 02:47:29.620 --> 02:47:31.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: items of their respective asr-001981 02:47:31.240 --> 02:47:33.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: appropriations. So, mayroon din pong asr-001982 02:47:33.380 --> 02:47:35.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: constitutional basis ito pong asr-001983 02:47:35.620 --> 02:47:37.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: use of savings ng Pangulo. asr-001984 02:47:39.240 --> 02:47:41.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Sige. Madam Chair, asr-001985 02:47:41.720 --> 02:47:43.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kapag, I'll just go asr-001986 02:47:43.080 --> 02:47:44.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: on to my next question, no? asr-001987 02:47:45.360 --> 02:47:46.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Diyan rin naman tayo pupunta. asr-001988 02:47:47.080 --> 02:47:49.280 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kapag pinatigil ang isang project under asr-001989 02:47:49.280 --> 02:47:51.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Section 78, is it asr-001990 02:47:51.420 --> 02:47:52.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: merely suspended asr-001991 02:47:52.360 --> 02:47:54.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: or is it finally asr-001992 02:47:54.520 --> 02:47:56.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: discontinued or abandoned? asr-001993 02:47:56.540 --> 02:47:58.280 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Is it finally discontinued? asr-001994 02:47:59.620 --> 02:48:11.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-001995 02:48:11.700 --> 02:48:14.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we base it on Section 78, asr-001996 02:48:14.660 --> 02:48:16.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it is merely suspended. asr-001997 02:48:16.740 --> 02:48:17.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It is not declared asr-001998 02:48:17.780 --> 02:48:20.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as abandoned or asr-001999 02:48:20.120 --> 02:48:22.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi pa naman po siya technically na asr-002000 02:48:22.060 --> 02:48:23.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: de-declare as a savings. asr-002001 02:48:23.860 --> 02:48:24.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, suspended lang po. asr-002002 02:48:25.300 --> 02:48:27.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, Madam Chair, asr-002003 02:48:27.320 --> 02:48:28.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: you agree that hindi po siya pwedeng asr-002004 02:48:28.820 --> 02:48:29.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: gamitin as savings? asr-002005 02:48:29.620 --> 02:48:31.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi suspended pa lang siya? asr-002006 02:48:32.280 --> 02:48:34.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Technically nga po, hindi din po siya asr-002007 02:48:34.320 --> 02:48:35.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pwede pang i-declare as savings asr-002008 02:48:35.820 --> 02:48:37.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kasi hindi pa siya na-release. asr-002009 02:48:37.300 --> 02:48:38.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Because for something to be declared asr-002010 02:48:38.740 --> 02:48:40.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as savings, it has to be, asr-002011 02:48:40.860 --> 02:48:42.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the SARA has to be released asr-002012 02:48:42.140 --> 02:48:43.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to a particular agency asr-002013 02:48:43.460 --> 02:48:45.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the agency has to give it up asr-002014 02:48:45.180 --> 02:48:46.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as savings. So, asr-002015 02:48:47.040 --> 02:48:49.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po posible na asr-002016 02:48:49.180 --> 02:48:51.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: maging savings dahil po asr-002017 02:48:51.200 --> 02:48:53.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa Section 78. So, merely asr-002018 02:48:53.320 --> 02:48:54.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: suspended lang po. asr-002019 02:48:56.220 --> 02:48:58.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ang specific kasi na nakasabi po asr-002020 02:48:58.540 --> 02:48:59.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa Arawlio, asr-002021 02:48:59.620 --> 02:49:01.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: stopping expenditure does not asr-002022 02:49:01.580 --> 02:49:03.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: automatically create savings. asr-002023 02:49:04.800 --> 02:49:05.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, if you subsequently asr-002024 02:49:05.820 --> 02:49:08.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: declare the unused amount as savings, asr-002025 02:49:09.380 --> 02:49:10.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: aren't you also asr-002026 02:49:10.100 --> 02:49:11.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: formally declaring that the project asr-002027 02:49:11.840 --> 02:49:13.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: has been finally discontinued asr-002028 02:49:13.580 --> 02:49:14.460 Rep. Roberto Nazal: or abandoned? asr-002029 02:49:17.280 --> 02:49:17.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam, asr-002030 02:49:18.360 --> 02:49:19.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-002031 02:49:19.740 --> 02:49:22.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: iba po yung suspension ng project asr-002032 02:49:22.180 --> 02:49:23.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa discontinuance. asr-002033 02:49:24.020 --> 02:49:25.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, sa Section 78 po, asr-002034 02:49:26.240 --> 02:49:27.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: suspension lang po. asr-002035 02:49:27.200 --> 02:49:29.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It still doesn't talk about the asr-002036 02:49:29.320 --> 02:49:31.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: discontinuance, which is the asr-002037 02:49:31.340 --> 02:49:33.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: prerequisite condition asr-002038 02:49:33.280 --> 02:49:35.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for something to be asr-002039 02:49:35.400 --> 02:49:36.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: declared as savings. asr-002040 02:49:37.020 --> 02:49:39.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, kailan po siya, from suspension, asr-002041 02:49:39.800 --> 02:49:41.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kailan siya nagiging savings? asr-002042 02:49:41.180 --> 02:49:41.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano yung procedure? asr-002043 02:49:51.980 --> 02:49:53.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And di ba po, asr-002044 02:49:54.240 --> 02:49:55.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: based sa Arawlio, asr-002045 02:49:55.820 --> 02:49:57.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: bawal po mag-suspend asr-002046 02:49:57.880 --> 02:49:58.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: before allotment. asr-002048 02:50:02.320 --> 02:50:03.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-002049 02:50:03.580 --> 02:50:05.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there are several steps asr-002050 02:50:05.700 --> 02:50:09.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for something to be declared asr-002051 02:50:09.580 --> 02:50:10.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as savings. asr-002052 02:50:10.860 --> 02:50:12.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, the first po, asr-002053 02:50:12.700 --> 02:50:14.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is for something to be released. asr-002054 02:50:15.300 --> 02:50:16.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun po yung number one. asr-002055 02:50:16.400 --> 02:50:18.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, kailangan po ma-release po muna yung SARO. asr-002056 02:50:18.800 --> 02:50:20.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, after that, asr-002057 02:50:21.280 --> 02:50:23.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: projects that have asr-002058 02:50:23.520 --> 02:50:24.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: been asr-002059 02:50:24.140 --> 02:50:27.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: released but have not been obligated asr-002060 02:50:27.560 --> 02:50:29.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a result of any asr-002061 02:50:29.080 --> 02:50:30.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the following conditions asr-002062 02:50:30.840 --> 02:50:33.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: can be declared as savings. asr-002063 02:50:33.920 --> 02:50:35.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, first condition po, asr-002064 02:50:35.800 --> 02:50:37.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it can completion, asr-002065 02:50:37.820 --> 02:50:39.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: final discontinuance, asr-002066 02:50:39.480 --> 02:50:41.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or abandonment of a program, asr-002067 02:50:41.240 --> 02:50:42.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: activity, or project for which asr-002068 02:50:42.760 --> 02:50:43.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the appropriation is authorized. asr-002069 02:50:44.600 --> 02:50:46.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Or, the second po would be asr-002070 02:50:46.440 --> 02:50:48.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: implementation of measures resulting asr-002071 02:50:48.200 --> 02:50:50.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in improved systems and efficiencies asr-002072 02:50:50.480 --> 02:50:52.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and thus enabled an agency asr-002073 02:50:52.080 --> 02:50:54.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to meet and deliver the required asr-002074 02:50:54.280 --> 02:50:56.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or planned targets, programs, asr-002075 02:50:56.180 --> 02:50:57.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and services approved in this Act asr-002076 02:50:57.640 --> 02:50:58.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at a lesser cost. asr-002077 02:50:58.780 --> 02:50:59.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, it's either asr-002078 02:50:59.580 --> 02:51:01.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there were efficiencies asr-002079 02:51:01.240 --> 02:51:03.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were realized asr-002080 02:51:03.360 --> 02:51:05.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or a project was considered asr-002081 02:51:05.380 --> 02:51:07.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: abandoned or asr-002082 02:51:07.220 --> 02:51:10.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ruled as final discontinuance. asr-002083 02:51:10.400 --> 02:51:11.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Section 84 po ito asr-002084 02:51:11.820 --> 02:51:13.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng General Provisions. asr-002085 02:51:16.740 --> 02:51:19.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung suspension po ba asr-002086 02:51:19.100 --> 02:51:21.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay pwedeng eventually asr-002087 02:51:21.240 --> 02:51:23.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: maging savings? asr-002088 02:51:28.780 --> 02:51:33.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, technically po, hindi. asr-002089 02:51:34.100 --> 02:51:35.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po, pag sinuspend po asr-002090 02:51:35.820 --> 02:51:37.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung isang project, ibig sabihin po, asr-002091 02:51:37.720 --> 02:51:39.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po marirelease yung asr-002092 02:51:39.420 --> 02:51:41.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SARO niya in the first place, asr-002093 02:51:41.740 --> 02:51:44.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which is the first step asr-002094 02:51:44.120 --> 02:51:46.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for something to be considered asr-002095 02:51:46.340 --> 02:51:47.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: eventually as a saving. asr-002096 02:51:48.360 --> 02:51:49.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, hindi po, asr-002097 02:51:50.320 --> 02:51:52.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pag suspended po, wala pong posibilidad asr-002098 02:51:52.140 --> 02:51:53.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na ma-declare siya bilang savings. asr-002099 02:51:57.460 --> 02:51:58.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung ang project na ito, asr-002100 02:51:58.540 --> 02:51:59.260 Rep. Roberto Nazal: project po ay asr-002101 02:51:59.260 --> 02:52:00.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: implementation ready naman asr-002102 02:52:00.820 --> 02:52:02.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: at pinatigil lang asr-002103 02:52:02.820 --> 02:52:04.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: because of public interest asr-002104 02:52:04.300 --> 02:52:04.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: so requires, asr-002105 02:52:06.840 --> 02:52:07.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi siya pwede maging, asr-002106 02:52:07.860 --> 02:52:08.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pwede ba siya maging savings? asr-002107 02:52:14.120 --> 02:52:16.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For, if we're going back po asr-002108 02:52:16.540 --> 02:52:18.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to Section 78, asr-002109 02:52:18.660 --> 02:52:19.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-002110 02:52:19.860 --> 02:52:21.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where public, asr-002111 02:52:22.160 --> 02:52:23.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: when public interest asr-002112 02:52:23.960 --> 02:52:25.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so requires, asr-002113 02:52:25.620 --> 02:52:27.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: was set forth as a condition, asr-002114 02:52:27.900 --> 02:52:28.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po. asr-002115 02:52:28.540 --> 02:52:31.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, dahil yung Section 78 po asr-002116 02:52:31.100 --> 02:52:33.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay tumutukoy lang po asr-002117 02:52:33.940 --> 02:52:34.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa suspension, asr-002118 02:52:34.980 --> 02:52:36.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po sa release. asr-002119 02:52:37.160 --> 02:52:38.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya hindi po, asr-002120 02:52:38.580 --> 02:52:40.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dahil po suspended, wala pong SARO, asr-002121 02:52:41.400 --> 02:52:42.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kaya po later on, asr-002122 02:52:42.660 --> 02:52:44.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi rin po pwedeng i-declare as savings. asr-002123 02:52:47.180 --> 02:52:47.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, asr-002124 02:52:49.000 --> 02:52:50.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi pwedeng suspended asr-002125 02:52:50.300 --> 02:52:53.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kapag tinanong natin kung bakit pinatigil. asr-002126 02:52:53.680 --> 02:52:54.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero abandoned asr-002127 02:52:54.580 --> 02:52:56.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: naman kapag kailangan yung gumawa asr-002128 02:52:56.680 --> 02:52:57.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng savings. asr-002129 02:52:57.200 --> 02:52:57.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, asr-002130 02:52:58.540 --> 02:53:01.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ano ba talaga? asr-002131 02:53:02.600 --> 02:53:03.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Magkaiba po, asr-002132 02:53:03.840 --> 02:53:04.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-002133 02:53:04.840 --> 02:53:06.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if I may draw the distinction. asr-002134 02:53:06.920 --> 02:53:09.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, if a project is suspended, asr-002135 02:53:09.760 --> 02:53:11.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the SARO was not released asr-002136 02:53:11.200 --> 02:53:12.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the first place. asr-002137 02:53:12.100 --> 02:53:14.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, there is no ongoing project asr-002138 02:53:14.020 --> 02:53:16.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to be declared as discontinued. asr-002139 02:53:17.600 --> 02:53:19.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, magkaiba po yun. asr-002140 02:53:19.700 --> 02:53:21.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If I may draw the distinction, asr-002141 02:53:21.760 --> 02:53:22.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-002142 02:53:22.880 --> 02:53:24.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if something is suspended, asr-002143 02:53:25.260 --> 02:53:26.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: wala pong asr-002144 02:53:26.340 --> 02:53:28.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SARO na na-release, asr-002145 02:53:28.540 --> 02:53:30.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: wala pong project na pwedeng i-declare asr-002146 02:53:30.860 --> 02:53:32.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as discontinued. asr-002147 02:53:32.520 --> 02:53:34.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in effect po, wala din pong pwedeng asr-002148 02:53:34.980 --> 02:53:36.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: project na asr-002149 02:53:36.260 --> 02:53:39.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pwedeng i-declare as savings. asr-002150 02:53:39.300 --> 02:53:41.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, magkaiba po, just to draw the distinction po, asr-002151 02:53:41.680 --> 02:53:42.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker. asr-002152 02:53:42.540 --> 02:53:44.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: But based on Arawlio, Madam Chair, asr-002153 02:53:46.380 --> 02:53:47.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: distinguished colleague, asr-002154 02:53:48.080 --> 02:53:49.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: bawal po i-suspend asr-002155 02:53:49.560 --> 02:53:51.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang project asr-002156 02:53:51.860 --> 02:53:53.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng walang SARO. asr-002157 02:53:56.100 --> 02:53:57.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Very clear po yun. asr-002158 02:53:58.540 --> 02:54:03.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, if I may po, asr-002159 02:54:03.580 --> 02:54:05.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the Arawlio asr-002160 02:54:05.160 --> 02:54:06.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ruling po, asr-002161 02:54:07.020 --> 02:54:09.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it says na bawal pong asr-002162 02:54:09.340 --> 02:54:11.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: i-declare asr-002163 02:54:11.760 --> 02:54:13.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: my apologies, bawal pong asr-002164 02:54:13.340 --> 02:54:15.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: i-declare as savings asr-002165 02:54:15.460 --> 02:54:17.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hanggang walang asr-002166 02:54:17.360 --> 02:54:19.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SARO release. Wala pong nare-release asr-002167 02:54:19.620 --> 02:54:21.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na SARO. So, it's not actually asr-002168 02:54:21.560 --> 02:54:25.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of suspension, asr-002169 02:54:25.520 --> 02:54:27.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it actually talks about the prohibition asr-002170 02:54:27.340 --> 02:54:28.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of declaring asr-002171 02:54:28.640 --> 02:54:31.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: savings for a project asr-002172 02:54:31.640 --> 02:54:33.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or a discontinued project for which asr-002173 02:54:33.720 --> 02:54:35.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a SARO has not been released. asr-002174 02:54:38.080 --> 02:54:39.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: In Arawlio, asr-002175 02:54:40.080 --> 02:54:41.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: if you will look at the asr-002176 02:54:41.220 --> 02:54:49.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: It includes suspension po, asr-002177 02:54:50.040 --> 02:54:50.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair. asr-002178 02:54:53.120 --> 02:54:55.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, we'll just pull up asr-002179 02:54:55.740 --> 02:54:56.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the asr-002180 02:54:56.140 --> 02:54:58.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actual document for Arawlio. asr-002181 02:54:59.960 --> 02:55:01.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If we may request po asr-002182 02:55:01.420 --> 02:55:02.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for a few asr-002183 02:55:02.400 --> 02:55:04.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: seconds. asr-002186 02:55:34.240 --> 02:55:44.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, if we may request asr-002187 02:55:44.620 --> 02:55:46.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for a moment asr-002188 02:55:46.840 --> 02:55:48.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of suspension po for us just to be able asr-002189 02:55:48.760 --> 02:55:50.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to pull the exact wordings from the Arawlio asr-002190 02:55:50.880 --> 02:55:52.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: jurisprudence. asr-002191 02:55:52.000 --> 02:55:53.100 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Session suspended. asr-002200 03:00:06.200 --> 03:00:11.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, we're ready po. asr-002200-split-2 03:00:11.700 --> 03:00:13.900 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Session is resumed. asr-002201 03:00:14.000 --> 03:00:16.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, if I may respond to our distinguished colleague. asr-002202 03:00:16.300 --> 03:00:27.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So looking at the Araulio jurisprudence, it defines the terminology that would allow for the use of savings. asr-002203 03:00:27.040 --> 03:00:45.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If I may read out, just if you would allow me, Section 60, Section 54, and Section 53 of the General Provisions of the 2011, 2012, and 2013 GAAS, respectively, contemplate three sources of savings. asr-002204 03:00:45.400 --> 03:00:48.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So dinidefine po yung tatlong sources ng savings. asr-002205 03:00:49.280 --> 03:00:56.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: First, there can be savings when there are funds still available after completion of work, activity, or project, asr-002206 03:00:56.080 --> 03:01:01.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which means there are excess funds remaining after the work, activity, or project is completed. asr-002207 03:01:02.200 --> 03:01:08.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There can also be savings when there is final discontinuance of the work, activity, or project, asr-002208 03:01:08.960 --> 03:01:17.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which means that there are funds remaining after work, activity, or project was started but finally discontinued before completion. asr-002209 03:01:18.080 --> 03:01:24.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: To illustrate, a bridge halfway completed is destroyed by floods or earthquake and thus finally discontinued asr-002210 03:01:24.320 --> 03:01:26.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the remaining funds are not sufficient. asr-002211 03:01:26.080 --> 03:01:35.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Here, the funds are obligated but the remaining funds are deobligated upon final discontinuance of the project. asr-002212 03:01:35.560 --> 03:01:43.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: On the other hand, abandonment means the work, activity, or project can no longer be started because of lack of time to obligate the funds, asr-002213 03:01:44.220 --> 03:01:47.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: resulting in the physical impossibility to obligate the funds. asr-002214 03:01:48.060 --> 03:01:55.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This happens when a month or two before the end of the fiscal year, there is no more time to conduct a public bidding to obligate the funds. asr-002218 03:01:55.200 --> 03:02:01.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The funds are not and can no longer be obligated and thus will constitute savings. asr-002219 03:02:01.800 --> 03:02:05.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Dito po tayo sa last sentence mag-align. asr-002220 03:02:05.960 --> 03:02:17.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, final discontinuance or abandonment excludes suspension or temporary stoppage of the work, activity, or the project. asr-002221 03:02:17.600 --> 03:02:25.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Suspension, as it is referred to here in the Arroyo jurisprudence, asr-002223 03:02:25.960 --> 03:02:31.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is the whole phrase po, suspension or temporary stoppage of the work, activity, or project. asr-002224 03:02:31.380 --> 03:02:41.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So it is not the same suspension that is talked about in Section 78 of the General Provision. asr-002225 03:02:41.600 --> 03:02:44.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po yun ang tinatanong ko, Madam Chair. asr-002226 03:02:45.000 --> 03:02:54.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: What I was asking is, you replied earlier that the President has the power, can exercise the power to suspend asr-002227 03:02:54.900 --> 03:02:55.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: even before the end of the fiscal year. asr-002228 03:02:55.820 --> 03:02:55.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Even before the end of the fiscal year. asr-002229 03:02:55.840 --> 03:02:57.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Even before allotment. asr-002230 03:02:57.820 --> 03:03:08.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ang very clear po na sinasabi sa Arroyo is that the President cannot exercise the power to suspend or stop expenditure under Section 38 asr-002231 03:03:08.680 --> 03:03:15.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: towards appropriations as funds for it have yet to be released and allotted. asr-002232 03:03:16.660 --> 03:03:21.300 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Chair would like to remind Honorable Nazal, your time has expired. asr-002233 03:03:21.640 --> 03:03:23.060 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Please wrap up your interpellation. asr-002234 03:03:25.840 --> 03:03:27.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Maantay ko lang po yung sagot nila, Mr. Chair. asr-002240 03:06:48.660 --> 03:06:55.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, we found the paragraph that Representative Nazal was referring to. If I may draw attention to a particular line which says Section 38 cannot be used by the President to stop permanently the expenditure of unobligated appropriated funds because that would amount to presidential power to impound funds appropriated in the GAA. asr-002241 03:06:55.840 --> 03:07:25.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At yung nire-refer po ni Cong Robert is the next line: the President has no power to impound unobligated funds in the GAA. The operative word here po would be unobligated funds, and if something is categorized as unobligated, ibig sabihin po na-release na po iyon. asr-002242 03:07:25.840 --> 03:07:55.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So it's different from something that has not been released. So ibig sabihin, the operative term here is that the President has no power to impound funds in the GAA that have been released but not yet obligated. asr-002243 03:07:55.840 --> 03:08:25.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That's why in the succeeding sentences in the same paragraph the ruling reiterated the two reasons as also outlined in Section 84 on declaration of savings. So yun po, siguro po yung key doon: unobligated means it has already been released. asr-002244 03:08:25.840 --> 03:08:28.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So kailangan may SARO na. Kailangan po may SARO na. asr-002244-split-2 03:08:28.800 --> 03:08:34.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So only pag may SARO na, doon lang pwedeng i-invoke? asr-002244-split-3 03:08:34.500 --> 03:08:42.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, yung use of savings po. The suspension applies to asr-002244-split-4 03:08:42.000 --> 03:08:46.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: unreleased funds. asr-002244-split-5 03:08:46.300 --> 03:08:55.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And for those that are obligated, sorry, released, yun na po yung naggo-govern yung use of savings. asr-002245 03:08:55.840 --> 03:09:01.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So only those which are allotted, or may allotment, ang pwedeng i-suspend? asr-002245-split-2 03:09:01.200 --> 03:09:15.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I-declare as savings po, not suspend. Ang pwede lang pong i-suspend ay yung hindi pa released, pero ang pwede lang pong i-declare as savings ay yung released na po, meaning may allotment na po. asr-002245-split-3 03:09:15.000 --> 03:09:19.200 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: All right. Honorable Nazal, your time is up. asr-002245-split-4 03:09:19.200 --> 03:09:25.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I just like to reiterate. Ang nakalagay po kasi sa Araulio asr-002246 03:09:25.840 --> 03:09:40.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the President cannot exercise the power to suspend or stop expenditure under Section 38 towards appropriations as funds for it have yet to be released and allotted. asr-002246-split-2 03:09:40.640 --> 03:09:42.870 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Final from the Chair. asr-002246-split-3 03:09:42.870 --> 03:09:55.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes po, to that point, the President cannot declare something as savings. Cannot suspend, because something has asr-002247 03:09:55.840 --> 03:09:58.250 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung... asr-002247-split-2 03:09:58.250 --> 03:10:04.160 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: So your time is up. Thank you so much, Majority Leader. asr-002247-split-3 03:10:04.160 --> 03:10:13.620 Floor Leader: Mr. Speaker, may we recognize the Honorable [unclear] of ACT Teachers Party-list for his interpellation. asr-002247-split-4 03:10:13.620 --> 03:10:22.840 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The honorable member of ACT Teachers is recognized. Please proceed. asr-002248 03:10:25.840 --> 03:10:28.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. asr-002249 03:10:30.080 --> 03:10:34.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Meron po tayong PowerPoint as aid in our interpellation. asr-002250 03:10:36.480 --> 03:10:39.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If the sponsor will allow. asr-002251 03:10:42.520 --> 03:10:42.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes. asr-002252 03:10:44.100 --> 03:10:46.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If the majority leader po would allow. asr-002253 03:10:46.840 --> 03:10:47.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pintayin lang po natin. asr-002254 03:10:48.660 --> 03:10:49.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pakistop muna. asr-002255 03:10:49.460 --> 03:10:50.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan, okay. asr-002256 03:10:50.660 --> 03:10:50.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright. asr-002257 03:10:50.860 --> 03:10:55.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, medyo historical po ang ating... asr-002258 03:10:55.840 --> 03:10:57.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: approach dito. asr-002259 03:10:57.360 --> 03:11:08.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, tinignan po natin yung budget from General Appropriations Act and NEP from 2016 to 2026 and of course the proposed for 2027. asr-002260 03:11:08.800 --> 03:11:11.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang unang pag-usapan po natin, yung usapin ng debt. asr-002261 03:11:12.880 --> 03:11:13.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Utang. asr-002262 03:11:14.840 --> 03:11:19.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ayan na, nasa laman ng balita na papalaki ng papalaki ang utang ng bansa. asr-002263 03:11:20.640 --> 03:11:22.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, gaano kalaki ang paglaki? asr-002264 03:11:22.680 --> 03:11:22.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002265 03:11:23.040 --> 03:11:23.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2016. asr-002266 03:11:24.720 --> 03:11:25.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang... asr-002267 03:11:25.840 --> 03:11:30.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: outstanding national debt was 6.09 trillion. asr-002268 03:11:30.300 --> 03:11:31.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That was 2016. asr-002269 03:11:32.160 --> 03:11:40.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And by 2026, yung pangalawa, sa kanan, 19.7 trillion projected. asr-002270 03:11:40.300 --> 03:11:43.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi pa po tapos ang 2026. asr-002271 03:11:43.240 --> 03:11:49.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And for 2027, it is projected to be 21.48 trillion. asr-002272 03:11:49.880 --> 03:11:55.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Notably po, parang lumaki talaga or unang malaking talon was in... asr-002273 03:11:55.840 --> 03:11:56.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2020. asr-002274 03:11:57.640 --> 03:11:58.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The debt. asr-002275 03:11:58.560 --> 03:12:02.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: From 7.7 trillion, naging 9.8 trillion. asr-002276 03:12:03.820 --> 03:12:08.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, mula noon, if you're looking at the trends, ay tuloy-tuloy po. asr-002277 03:12:09.100 --> 03:12:09.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Steeper. asr-002278 03:12:09.840 --> 03:12:16.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: You can see a much steeper rise from 2020 onwards up to the present. asr-002279 03:12:17.160 --> 03:12:21.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano po ang explanation ng ating mga economic managers? asr-002280 03:12:21.340 --> 03:12:24.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Why was it that from 2020 onwards, ay... asr-002281 03:12:25.840 --> 03:12:31.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: naging mas pambihira o mas malaki ang paglaki ng utang? asr-002282 03:12:49.920 --> 03:12:51.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung oras po. asr-002284 03:12:55.270 --> 03:12:57.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dapat pala, binabantayan yung oras dito. asr-002293 03:16:24.840 --> 03:16:31.950 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, my apologies. It took us and the [unclear] family some time to pull out the historical data. asr-002294 03:16:31.950 --> 03:16:33.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So for actual debt as a percentage of nominal GDP, asr-002295 03:16:34.080 --> 03:16:37.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tama po yung binanggit ni Representative Tinio asr-002296 03:16:37.140 --> 03:16:42.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na malaki po yung tinaas sa pagitan po ng 2019 and 2020. asr-002297 03:16:42.560 --> 03:16:46.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang dahilan po dito ay yung COVID response na ating gobyerno. asr-002298 03:16:46.400 --> 03:16:49.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So umutang po ng malaki yung ating gobyerno. asr-002299 03:16:50.060 --> 03:16:53.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tumaas po yung ating actual debt as a percentage of nominal GDP asr-002300 03:16:53.060 --> 03:16:59.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: from 39.6% in 2019 up to 54.6% in 2020. asr-002301 03:17:00.000 --> 03:17:05.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And thereafter po, binabayada na po natin yung mga interest payments asr-002302 03:17:05.100 --> 03:17:09.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at yung maturity po noong mga inutang natin noong 2019. asr-002303 03:17:09.420 --> 03:17:13.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So yun po yung dahilan kung bakit napaka laki po noong talon asr-002304 03:17:13.500 --> 03:17:17.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong ating debt servicing simula po 2019. asr-002305 03:17:17.800 --> 03:17:19.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, and let us note yung sinabi nyo, asr-002306 03:17:19.920 --> 03:17:27.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in 2019, debt to GDP ratio was at 39.6%. asr-002307 03:17:27.560 --> 03:17:28.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 39.6%. asr-002308 03:17:28.120 --> 03:17:29.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But currently, it's already, asr-002309 03:17:30.000 --> 03:17:31.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: around 65%. asr-002310 03:17:31.580 --> 03:17:37.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: As of 2026 po, 66%. asr-002311 03:17:37.440 --> 03:17:38.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 66%. asr-002312 03:17:38.680 --> 03:17:43.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So lagpas na po dun sa usual benchmark, di ba? asr-002313 03:17:44.660 --> 03:17:45.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And even that benchmark, asr-002314 03:17:45.940 --> 03:17:47.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I have something to say about that benchmark. asr-002315 03:17:48.080 --> 03:17:50.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kasi iba na yung sinasabing benchmark ng DOF ngayon asr-002316 03:17:50.800 --> 03:17:53.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kumpara noong, naalala ko to, asr-002317 03:17:53.200 --> 03:17:55.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: noong una kaming nasa kongreso ni Kong Alvarez eh, asr-002318 03:17:55.860 --> 03:17:56.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na nakikita ko, asr-002319 03:17:59.120 --> 03:17:59.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sina, asr-002320 03:18:00.000 --> 03:18:00.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: purisima? asr-002321 03:18:00.880 --> 03:18:01.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Iba eh. asr-002322 03:18:01.880 --> 03:18:02.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, but anyway. asr-002323 03:18:03.020 --> 03:18:03.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-002324 03:18:04.380 --> 03:18:06.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if I may clarify lang po, asr-002325 03:18:06.340 --> 03:18:07.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: what we use against the benchmark asr-002326 03:18:07.980 --> 03:18:11.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is not the actual debt as a percentage of nominal GDP asr-002327 03:18:11.760 --> 03:18:14.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as stated in the presentation. asr-002328 03:18:14.240 --> 03:18:16.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Rather, it's general government debt asr-002329 03:18:16.260 --> 03:18:17.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a percentage of GDP. asr-002330 03:18:18.100 --> 03:18:20.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And if we look at general government debt, asr-002331 03:18:20.940 --> 03:18:25.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it's only at 58.6 for 2026. asr-002332 03:18:25.940 --> 03:18:27.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So it's below the benchmark po. asr-002333 03:18:27.540 --> 03:18:28.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright, alright. asr-002334 03:18:28.860 --> 03:18:29.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sige. asr-002335 03:18:29.040 --> 03:18:32.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So depende pala kung anong pipiliin nating benchmark. asr-002336 03:18:32.300 --> 03:18:32.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, but anyway, asr-002337 03:18:33.640 --> 03:18:35.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: we'll have more on that I suppose asr-002338 03:18:35.400 --> 03:18:36.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: when DOF comes. asr-002339 03:18:37.540 --> 03:18:39.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But, so papalaki ang utang. asr-002340 03:18:39.640 --> 03:18:40.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So ang explanation, asr-002341 03:18:40.740 --> 03:18:43.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kinailangan ng umutang na malaki dahil sa COVID response asr-002342 03:18:43.380 --> 03:18:44.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: at mula noon, asr-002343 03:18:45.180 --> 03:18:46.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kailangan bayaran. asr-002344 03:18:46.160 --> 03:18:47.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So kaya lumalaki lalo. asr-002345 03:18:48.120 --> 03:18:49.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Parang ganun yung paliwanag. asr-002346 03:18:49.640 --> 03:18:51.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Anyway, this is the reality. asr-002347 03:18:51.500 --> 03:18:52.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If you go to the next table, asr-002348 03:18:54.540 --> 03:18:55.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: consequently, asr-002349 03:18:57.160 --> 03:18:58.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: next table, asr-002350 03:18:58.000 --> 03:18:59.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: wala na po. asr-002351 03:19:00.100 --> 03:19:03.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: This is just a graph to visualize the debt payment. asr-002352 03:19:04.660 --> 03:19:06.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yung pag, obviously, asr-002353 03:19:06.500 --> 03:19:07.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: lumalaki ang utang, asr-002354 03:19:07.280 --> 03:19:08.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: lumalaki ang debt payment. asr-002355 03:19:09.160 --> 03:19:12.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yung blue is principal amortization asr-002356 03:19:12.400 --> 03:19:15.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and orange is interest payments. asr-002357 03:19:16.140 --> 03:19:17.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So in 2016, asr-002358 03:19:18.980 --> 03:19:21.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: total debt payments were, asr-002359 03:19:22.200 --> 03:19:22.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: can you imagine, asr-002360 03:19:23.260 --> 03:19:25.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 790 million, asr-002361 03:19:25.900 --> 03:19:26.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: a billion pesos. asr-002362 03:19:26.980 --> 03:19:27.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So 790, asr-002363 03:19:28.000 --> 03:19:29.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 20 billion pesos. asr-002364 03:19:29.900 --> 03:19:31.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero ngayon pong, asr-002365 03:19:31.640 --> 03:19:34.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2026, asr-002366 03:19:35.720 --> 03:19:37.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2.05 trillion. asr-002367 03:19:37.540 --> 03:19:39.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And for 2027, asr-002368 03:19:39.740 --> 03:19:41.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it's projected to be at asr-002369 03:19:41.340 --> 03:19:44.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2.7 trillion pesos. asr-002370 03:19:44.800 --> 03:19:45.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yung asr-002371 03:19:45.000 --> 03:19:47.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: stands to reason, asr-002372 03:19:47.200 --> 03:19:48.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: dahil mas malaki ang utang, asr-002373 03:19:48.180 --> 03:19:49.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: mas malaki ang babayaran. asr-002374 03:19:50.700 --> 03:19:52.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi na po kailangan ng response. asr-002375 03:19:53.080 --> 03:19:53.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Basta, asr-002376 03:19:54.300 --> 03:19:55.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tama po ba yan? asr-002377 03:19:55.400 --> 03:19:55.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung figures. asr-002378 03:19:55.960 --> 03:19:57.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That for 2026, asr-002379 03:19:58.000 --> 03:20:02.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 25 principal and interest payments, asr-002380 03:20:02.520 --> 03:20:03.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2.05 trillion, asr-002381 03:20:03.960 --> 03:20:05.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and then 2.7 trillion. asr-002382 03:20:12.540 --> 03:20:13.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-002383 03:20:14.000 --> 03:20:15.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we may clarify po, asr-002384 03:20:15.460 --> 03:20:18.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the figures presented by the Honorable Tinio asr-002385 03:20:18.740 --> 03:20:22.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are not debt servicing figures. asr-002386 03:20:23.260 --> 03:20:23.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Rather, asr-002387 03:20:24.220 --> 03:20:27.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these are gross borrowings po. asr-002388 03:20:28.000 --> 03:20:30.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002389 03:20:30.840 --> 03:20:31.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, asr-002390 03:20:32.760 --> 03:20:34.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kinuha natin ito sa BESF asr-002391 03:20:34.580 --> 03:20:36.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and their principal amortization asr-002392 03:20:36.680 --> 03:20:37.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and interest payments. asr-002393 03:20:39.280 --> 03:20:39.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di po ba? asr-002394 03:20:41.320 --> 03:20:43.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung nabanggit po, asr-002395 03:20:43.280 --> 03:20:44.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dito po sa chart, asr-002396 03:20:44.420 --> 03:20:46.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay gross borrowings po. asr-002397 03:20:47.140 --> 03:20:49.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung interest payments po, asr-002398 03:20:49.300 --> 03:20:52.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mas mababa po. asr-002399 03:20:52.880 --> 03:20:54.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For 2016, asr-002400 03:20:55.380 --> 03:20:55.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sorry, asr-002401 03:20:55.700 --> 03:20:57.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for 2026 po, asr-002402 03:20:57.260 --> 03:20:57.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yun na lang po, asr-002403 03:20:57.780 --> 03:20:59.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: siguro yung ikumpa na natin. asr-002404 03:20:59.420 --> 03:20:59.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay. asr-002405 03:20:59.780 --> 03:21:01.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Instead of the 2 point, asr-002406 03:21:01.020 --> 03:21:03.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as compared to the 2.05 trillion asr-002407 03:21:03.780 --> 03:21:05.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in gross borrowings, asr-002408 03:21:05.780 --> 03:21:06.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay. asr-002409 03:21:06.280 --> 03:21:10.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P995 billion po. asr-002410 03:21:10.020 --> 03:21:12.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then for 2027, asr-002411 03:21:12.660 --> 03:21:13.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang projected po, asr-002412 03:21:13.780 --> 03:21:16.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as compared to the 2.7 trillion asr-002413 03:21:16.540 --> 03:21:18.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in gross borrowings, asr-002414 03:21:18.020 --> 03:21:21.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.11 trillion pesos po. asr-002415 03:21:21.820 --> 03:21:22.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes. asr-002416 03:21:22.320 --> 03:21:24.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If the, asr-002417 03:21:24.320 --> 03:21:26.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwede pong i- asr-002418 03:21:26.320 --> 03:21:28.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: i-highlight yung asr-002419 03:21:28.820 --> 03:21:29.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung orange part. asr-002420 03:21:30.820 --> 03:21:31.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan yun. asr-002421 03:21:31.280 --> 03:21:31.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Bakit yung, asr-002422 03:21:31.880 --> 03:21:32.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the figures you mentioned, asr-002423 03:21:33.000 --> 03:21:33.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the orange part, asr-002424 03:21:33.820 --> 03:21:35.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that's 1.11 trillion. asr-002425 03:21:35.720 --> 03:21:37.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That's the interest payments. asr-002426 03:21:38.160 --> 03:21:38.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002427 03:21:38.420 --> 03:21:38.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos, asr-002428 03:21:39.200 --> 03:21:40.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in 2026, asr-002429 03:21:42.380 --> 03:21:44.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that's 995 trillion. asr-002430 03:21:45.120 --> 03:21:45.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, asr-002431 03:21:45.980 --> 03:21:46.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: we're talking, asr-002432 03:21:46.580 --> 03:21:47.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: we're using the same figures here. asr-002433 03:21:48.220 --> 03:21:48.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay. asr-002434 03:21:48.920 --> 03:21:50.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: My apologies po. asr-002435 03:21:50.320 --> 03:21:51.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo nahirapan po kami. asr-002436 03:21:51.440 --> 03:21:52.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang liit po kasi ng numbers. asr-002437 03:21:53.320 --> 03:21:53.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I think, asr-002438 03:21:53.940 --> 03:21:54.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang nangyari po, asr-002439 03:21:55.000 --> 03:21:56.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in-add po yung interest, asr-002440 03:21:56.320 --> 03:21:57.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments at yung asr-002441 03:21:57.820 --> 03:21:59.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: amortization po. asr-002442 03:22:00.420 --> 03:22:00.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po. asr-002443 03:22:01.080 --> 03:22:02.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in-add po yung column asr-002444 03:22:02.460 --> 03:22:03.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng interest payments asr-002445 03:22:03.460 --> 03:22:04.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and principal payments. asr-002446 03:22:04.780 --> 03:22:05.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes. asr-002447 03:22:05.320 --> 03:22:05.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay. asr-002448 03:22:05.580 --> 03:22:05.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That's correct. asr-002449 03:22:05.940 --> 03:22:06.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sige po. asr-002450 03:22:06.380 --> 03:22:07.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We have, asr-002451 03:22:07.200 --> 03:22:07.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we're aligned po. asr-002452 03:22:08.400 --> 03:22:08.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We're aligned. asr-002453 03:22:08.740 --> 03:22:09.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We're aligned. asr-002454 03:22:10.220 --> 03:22:11.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Our apologies, asr-002455 03:22:11.300 --> 03:22:12.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sobrang liit po asr-002456 03:22:12.140 --> 03:22:13.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kasi hindi talaga naman makita. asr-002457 03:22:13.280 --> 03:22:13.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ang datos natin. asr-002458 03:22:13.860 --> 03:22:14.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun lang po ang point. asr-002459 03:22:14.820 --> 03:22:15.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-002460 03:22:15.660 --> 03:22:15.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, asr-002461 03:22:16.240 --> 03:22:17.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: para maintindihan ng publiko, asr-002462 03:22:17.980 --> 03:22:20.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: magkano yung binabayaran, asr-002463 03:22:20.100 --> 03:22:21.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: binabayaran at babayaran asr-002464 03:22:21.440 --> 03:22:22.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: nating utang. asr-002465 03:22:22.620 --> 03:22:22.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, asr-002466 03:22:22.780 --> 03:22:24.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: principal and interest payments asr-002467 03:22:24.520 --> 03:22:25.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for 2027, asr-002468 03:22:27.120 --> 03:22:28.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa proposed budget, asr-002470 03:22:28.140 --> 03:22:28.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: aabot yan sa asr-002471 03:22:28.760 --> 03:22:30.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2.7 trillion pesos. asr-002472 03:22:30.860 --> 03:22:31.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun lang po yung point natin. asr-002473 03:22:32.580 --> 03:22:32.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002474 03:22:33.780 --> 03:22:34.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, asr-002475 03:22:35.380 --> 03:22:35.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of course, asr-002476 03:22:36.080 --> 03:22:36.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: napakalaki. asr-002477 03:22:37.700 --> 03:22:38.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Imagine. asr-002478 03:22:38.300 --> 03:22:39.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos, alam natin, asr-002479 03:22:39.980 --> 03:22:41.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung principal amortization, asr-002480 03:22:41.380 --> 03:22:42.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: di na nga kasama yan sa ano eh. asr-002481 03:22:43.620 --> 03:22:46.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa GAA na ina-aprobahan natin. asr-002482 03:22:46.540 --> 03:22:47.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Automatic yan. asr-002483 03:22:47.660 --> 03:22:47.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-002484 03:22:48.300 --> 03:22:49.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Even the interest payments. asr-002485 03:22:50.260 --> 03:22:50.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-002486 03:22:51.300 --> 03:22:51.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, labas pa to asr-002487 03:22:51.980 --> 03:22:53.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: dun sa 7.2 trillion. asr-002488 03:22:55.000 --> 03:22:55.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Na, asr-002489 03:22:55.960 --> 03:22:56.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pinapakasama, asr-002490 03:22:56.320 --> 03:22:57.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ipa-aprubahan sa atin. asr-002491 03:22:57.980 --> 03:22:58.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-002492 03:22:59.380 --> 03:22:59.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon, asr-002493 03:23:00.620 --> 03:23:01.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: napakalaking utang. asr-002494 03:23:02.960 --> 03:23:04.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Napakalaking binabayaran. asr-002495 03:23:04.980 --> 03:23:06.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang tanong po ngayon, asr-002496 03:23:07.880 --> 03:23:08.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: well, asr-002497 03:23:09.300 --> 03:23:10.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tignan natin yung budget. asr-002498 03:23:10.480 --> 03:23:11.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: First of all, asr-002499 03:23:11.720 --> 03:23:12.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: how much of our budget asr-002500 03:23:12.960 --> 03:23:14.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: is funded by debt? asr-002501 03:23:15.380 --> 03:23:15.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ibig sabihin, asr-002502 03:23:16.020 --> 03:23:17.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: deficit spending. asr-002503 03:23:17.600 --> 03:23:17.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-002504 03:23:18.340 --> 03:23:18.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002505 03:23:18.880 --> 03:23:20.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, that's the next table. asr-002506 03:23:21.120 --> 03:23:22.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yan po yung budget asr-002507 03:23:22.060 --> 03:23:23.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and then yung blue, asr-002508 03:23:24.060 --> 03:23:25.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the orange part, asr-002509 03:23:25.020 --> 03:23:26.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that's the deficit part. asr-002510 03:23:26.320 --> 03:23:28.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, obviously, asr-002511 03:23:29.080 --> 03:23:29.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: papalaki na rin asr-002512 03:23:29.980 --> 03:23:31.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from 2020 onwards, asr-002513 03:23:32.640 --> 03:23:34.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: papalaki na rin yung asr-002514 03:23:34.020 --> 03:23:35.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: total of the asr-002515 03:23:35.600 --> 03:23:36.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: GAA asr-002516 03:23:36.740 --> 03:23:38.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: funded by debt. asr-002517 03:23:39.400 --> 03:23:39.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-002518 03:23:40.340 --> 03:23:40.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, asr-002519 03:23:41.680 --> 03:23:43.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in the case of asr-002520 03:23:43.080 --> 03:23:45.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2026, asr-002521 03:23:46.740 --> 03:23:47.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the current budget, asr-002522 03:23:48.560 --> 03:23:49.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 24% asr-002523 03:23:49.720 --> 03:23:50.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: is deficit, asr-002524 03:23:51.140 --> 03:23:51.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: deficit, asr-002525 03:23:51.960 --> 03:23:54.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: will be funded by asr-002526 03:23:54.340 --> 03:23:55.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: deficit payment. asr-002527 03:23:55.320 --> 03:23:55.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Deficit payment. asr-002528 03:23:56.320 --> 03:23:57.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: O, deficit spending. asr-002529 03:23:58.380 --> 03:24:00.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 1.6 trillion pesos. asr-002530 03:24:01.580 --> 03:24:02.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, asr-002531 03:24:03.180 --> 03:24:03.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for asr-002532 03:24:03.580 --> 03:24:05.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2027, asr-002533 03:24:06.100 --> 03:24:06.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: proposed budget, asr-002534 03:24:07.000 --> 03:24:07.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ganun din, asr-002535 03:24:07.480 --> 03:24:09.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: around 1.69 trillion. asr-002536 03:24:10.960 --> 03:24:11.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? asr-002537 03:24:12.460 --> 03:24:13.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Whereas, in 2016, asr-002538 03:24:14.880 --> 03:24:17.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in 2016, asr-002539 03:24:18.360 --> 03:24:20.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: total of 13% asr-002540 03:24:20.140 --> 03:24:21.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of the budget asr-002541 03:24:21.040 --> 03:24:23.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: was funded by debt. asr-002542 03:24:23.780 --> 03:24:24.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung deficit spending. asr-002543 03:24:24.860 --> 03:24:25.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016, asr-002544 03:24:26.320 --> 03:24:27.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung 27, asr-002545 03:24:27.160 --> 03:24:29.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it will be 24% asr-002546 03:24:29.060 --> 03:24:29.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of total budget. asr-002547 03:24:29.900 --> 03:24:30.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun po yung point natin. asr-002548 03:24:31.780 --> 03:24:32.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, almost asr-002549 03:24:32.420 --> 03:24:33.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: one-fourth asr-002550 03:24:33.260 --> 03:24:34.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of the GAA asr-002551 03:24:34.600 --> 03:24:35.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: will be asr-002552 03:24:35.320 --> 03:24:37.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: funded through asr-002553 03:24:37.120 --> 03:24:38.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: deficit spending. asr-002554 03:24:39.380 --> 03:24:39.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Meaning, asr-002555 03:24:40.140 --> 03:24:40.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from debt, asr-002556 03:24:40.840 --> 03:24:41.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: mainly. asr-002557 03:24:41.660 --> 03:24:42.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? asr-002558 03:24:44.400 --> 03:24:45.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That is correct, asr-002559 03:24:45.440 --> 03:24:45.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker. asr-002560 03:24:45.840 --> 03:24:46.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes. asr-002561 03:24:46.160 --> 03:24:46.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002562 03:24:47.560 --> 03:24:49.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 1.69 trillion asr-002563 03:24:49.480 --> 03:24:50.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa 7.2 asr-002564 03:24:50.600 --> 03:24:52.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for next year, asr-002565 03:24:53.620 --> 03:24:54.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kailangan utangin. asr-002566 03:24:54.380 --> 03:24:56.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In-utang na. asr-002567 03:24:56.320 --> 03:24:57.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Or utangin. asr-002568 03:24:57.220 --> 03:24:57.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002569 03:24:58.660 --> 03:24:59.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon, asr-002570 03:24:59.460 --> 03:25:00.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang tanong na, asr-002571 03:25:01.960 --> 03:25:03.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sabi nga, asr-002572 03:25:03.520 --> 03:25:04.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: umuutang tayo asr-002573 03:25:04.240 --> 03:25:05.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: or living beyond our means. asr-002574 03:25:05.500 --> 03:25:06.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ika nga, no? asr-002575 03:25:06.200 --> 03:25:07.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang usapin lang naman, asr-002576 03:25:07.200 --> 03:25:08.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and you will probably argue, asr-002577 03:25:08.320 --> 03:25:09.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kaya pa rin nating bayaran. asr-002578 03:25:09.980 --> 03:25:10.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-002579 03:25:10.940 --> 03:25:11.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon, asr-002580 03:25:11.540 --> 03:25:12.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang tanong na ngayon is, asr-002581 03:25:13.680 --> 03:25:15.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: where does that deficit spending go to? asr-002582 03:25:16.340 --> 03:25:16.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-002583 03:25:16.680 --> 03:25:17.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa napunta yung inutang mo? asr-002584 03:25:19.440 --> 03:25:20.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pinag-utanga natin, asr-002585 03:25:20.680 --> 03:25:21.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa napupunta? asr-002586 03:25:21.580 --> 03:25:22.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang gusto ko pang asr-002587 03:25:22.300 --> 03:25:23.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: i-highlight dito, asr-002588 03:25:25.240 --> 03:25:25.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: well, asr-002589 03:25:26.320 --> 03:25:28.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: what did that deficit spending enable? asr-002590 03:25:29.380 --> 03:25:29.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002591 03:25:30.500 --> 03:25:32.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang gusto po natin ipakita rito, asr-002592 03:25:32.900 --> 03:25:33.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: among others, asr-002593 03:25:34.080 --> 03:25:34.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it enabled asr-002594 03:25:34.820 --> 03:25:37.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: massive increase asr-002595 03:25:37.580 --> 03:25:39.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in public infrastructure asr-002596 03:25:39.840 --> 03:25:42.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and to highlight, asr-002597 03:25:43.120 --> 03:25:43.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: flood control. asr-002598 03:25:45.220 --> 03:25:45.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pa? asr-002599 03:25:46.100 --> 03:25:48.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, what does this table show? asr-002600 03:25:49.180 --> 03:25:50.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang pinapakita po natin asr-002601 03:25:50.300 --> 03:25:51.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa table na to, asr-002602 03:25:52.640 --> 03:25:54.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: again, same time frame, asr-002603 03:25:54.040 --> 03:25:56.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2016 to 2020, asr-002604 03:25:56.320 --> 03:25:57.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 27 proposed, asr-002605 03:25:58.620 --> 03:25:59.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang pinapakita po rito asr-002606 03:25:59.820 --> 03:26:00.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay yung asr-002607 03:26:00.900 --> 03:26:02.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: increase asr-002608 03:26:02.440 --> 03:26:04.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng appropriations asr-002609 03:26:04.160 --> 03:26:05.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for flood control. asr-002610 03:26:06.560 --> 03:26:06.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002611 03:26:07.200 --> 03:26:07.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And, asr-002612 03:26:08.200 --> 03:26:09.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: what do we note? asr-002613 03:26:09.940 --> 03:26:10.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Actually, asr-002614 03:26:10.360 --> 03:26:11.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang makikita natin dito asr-002615 03:26:11.660 --> 03:26:13.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay talagang asr-002616 03:26:13.300 --> 03:26:14.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: significant asr-002617 03:26:14.900 --> 03:26:17.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang naging paglaki ng flood control asr-002618 03:26:17.060 --> 03:26:18.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: starting in 2018. asr-002619 03:26:19.420 --> 03:26:20.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2018. asr-002620 03:26:20.900 --> 03:26:21.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002621 03:26:21.580 --> 03:26:23.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: From 430 billion, asr-002622 03:26:24.000 --> 03:26:25.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: naging 613 billion, asr-002623 03:26:25.260 --> 03:26:26.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 613 billion, asr-002624 03:26:26.320 --> 03:26:27.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in 2018. asr-002625 03:26:27.320 --> 03:26:28.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But, asr-002626 03:26:28.320 --> 03:26:29.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pero, asr-002627 03:26:30.880 --> 03:26:32.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pinakamarkado talaga asr-002628 03:26:32.300 --> 03:26:33.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang paglaki. asr-002629 03:26:33.560 --> 03:26:37.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course, asr-002630 03:26:37.720 --> 03:26:39.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in the golden age asr-002631 03:26:39.200 --> 03:26:40.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of flood control asr-002632 03:26:40.200 --> 03:26:41.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: dito sa Pilipinas, asr-002633 03:26:41.400 --> 03:26:43.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the first three years asr-002634 03:26:43.800 --> 03:26:45.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of the Marcos Junior Administration. asr-002635 03:26:45.680 --> 03:26:47.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2023. asr-002636 03:26:47.240 --> 03:26:47.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002637 03:26:47.700 --> 03:26:49.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Total of 287 billion asr-002638 03:26:49.300 --> 03:26:50.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang flood control alone. asr-002639 03:26:50.120 --> 03:26:50.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At, asr-002640 03:26:50.500 --> 03:26:52.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2024, asr-002641 03:26:52.200 --> 03:26:53.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the peak, asr-002642 03:26:53.600 --> 03:26:57.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 357 billion asr-002643 03:26:57.240 --> 03:26:59.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang flood control alone. asr-002644 03:26:59.000 --> 03:26:59.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At, asr-002654 03:26:59.960 --> 03:27:00.250 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At, asr-002655 03:27:00.250 --> 03:27:01.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2025, asr-002656 03:27:01.300 --> 03:27:02.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 353 billion asr-002657 03:27:02.800 --> 03:27:04.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang flood control alone. asr-002658 03:27:04.000 --> 03:27:04.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-002659 03:27:04.600 --> 03:27:05.490 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course, asr-002660 03:27:05.490 --> 03:27:06.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: alam natin, asr-002661 03:27:06.380 --> 03:27:07.270 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2026, asr-002662 03:27:07.270 --> 03:27:08.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: halos nawala yan. asr-002663 03:27:08.160 --> 03:27:09.050 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, asr-002664 03:27:09.050 --> 03:27:09.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ngayon, asr-002665 03:27:09.940 --> 03:27:10.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: gustong ibalik. asr-002666 03:27:10.840 --> 03:27:11.730 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, asr-002667 03:27:11.730 --> 03:27:12.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ngayon, asr-002668 03:27:12.620 --> 03:27:13.510 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: meron asr-002669 03:27:13.510 --> 03:27:14.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for DPWH, asr-002670 03:27:14.400 --> 03:27:15.290 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: this is actually asr-002671 03:27:15.290 --> 03:27:16.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: just DPWH, asr-002672 03:27:16.180 --> 03:27:17.070 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: may 83 billion asr-002673 03:27:17.070 --> 03:27:17.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for flood control asr-002674 03:27:17.960 --> 03:27:18.850 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in DPWH. asr-002675 03:27:18.850 --> 03:27:19.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002676 03:27:19.740 --> 03:27:20.630 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, asr-002677 03:27:20.630 --> 03:27:21.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tama po ba asr-002678 03:27:21.520 --> 03:27:22.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na talagang asr-002679 03:27:22.420 --> 03:27:23.310 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: naging pambihira asr-002680 03:27:23.310 --> 03:27:24.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang asr-002681 03:27:24.200 --> 03:27:25.090 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: flood control asr-002682 03:27:25.090 --> 03:27:25.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng DPWH? asr-002683 03:27:25.980 --> 03:27:26.870 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Naging pambihira asr-002684 03:27:26.870 --> 03:27:27.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang, asr-002685 03:27:27.760 --> 03:27:28.650 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: naging asr-002686 03:27:28.650 --> 03:27:30.430 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: significant asr-002687 03:27:30.430 --> 03:27:31.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang paglaki ng asr-002688 03:27:31.320 --> 03:27:32.210 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: flood control asr-002689 03:27:32.210 --> 03:27:33.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: during the asr-002690 03:27:33.100 --> 03:27:33.990 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Marcos, asr-002691 03:27:33.990 --> 03:27:34.890 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the first asr-002692 03:27:34.890 --> 03:27:35.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: three years asr-002693 03:27:35.780 --> 03:27:36.670 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of the Marcos Jr. asr-002694 03:27:36.670 --> 03:27:37.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: administration. asr-002695 03:27:37.560 --> 03:27:38.450 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: It's right there. asr-002696 03:27:38.450 --> 03:27:39.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama naman, asr-002720 03:28:09.120 --> 03:28:09.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Based on the asr-002721 03:28:09.700 --> 03:28:10.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Um, asr-002722 03:28:10.200 --> 03:28:10.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-002723 03:28:10.840 --> 03:28:11.850 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That is correct po. asr-002724 03:28:11.850 --> 03:28:12.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes, asr-002725 03:28:12.440 --> 03:28:13.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of course, asr-002726 03:28:13.120 --> 03:28:14.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it's correct. asr-002727 03:28:14.400 --> 03:28:14.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, asr-002728 03:28:14.920 --> 03:28:15.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: so in other words asr-002729 03:28:15.960 --> 03:28:16.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang asr-002730 03:28:16.320 --> 03:28:16.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: parang asr-002731 03:28:16.640 --> 03:28:18.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: gusto kong asr-002732 03:28:18.040 --> 03:28:19.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ipakita rito, asr-002733 03:28:19.840 --> 03:28:22.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: umutang tayo ng malaki. asr-002734 03:28:22.080 --> 03:28:24.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: large budget deficit, asr-002735 03:28:24.480 --> 03:28:26.390 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Funded by debt. asr-002736 03:28:26.400 --> 03:28:27.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Saan napunta yun? asr-002737 03:28:27.560 --> 03:28:29.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Anong pinunduhan nun? asr-002738 03:28:29.140 --> 03:28:30.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sinasabi natin, asr-002739 03:28:31.060 --> 03:28:32.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: a significant expansion asr-002740 03:28:32.460 --> 03:28:34.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of flood control. asr-002741 03:28:35.260 --> 03:28:36.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: It's one. asr-002742 03:28:37.040 --> 03:28:39.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The other that I would like to point out, asr-002743 03:28:40.680 --> 03:28:40.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ayuda. asr-002744 03:28:42.580 --> 03:28:43.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ayuda naman. asr-002745 03:28:43.960 --> 03:28:44.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nangyari sa ayuda? asr-002746 03:28:47.220 --> 03:28:49.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, again, we looked at 2016 asr-002747 03:28:49.480 --> 03:28:51.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: to 2027. asr-002748 03:28:51.780 --> 03:28:55.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Then, DSWD, DOLE, and DOH. asr-002749 03:28:56.860 --> 03:28:59.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan yung mga major ayuda agencies. asr-002750 03:28:59.820 --> 03:29:00.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Let's call them that. asr-002751 03:29:02.000 --> 03:29:02.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: DSWD. asr-002752 03:29:03.320 --> 03:29:04.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nung 2016 po, asr-002753 03:29:05.900 --> 03:29:06.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang AICS, asr-002754 03:29:06.900 --> 03:29:09.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: alam nyo kung magkano ang AICS nung 2016? asr-002755 03:29:10.100 --> 03:29:11.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang AICS po nung 2016, asr-002756 03:29:11.980 --> 03:29:13.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: last year of the Aquino administration, asr-002757 03:29:14.780 --> 03:29:16.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: P697 million. asr-002758 03:29:18.480 --> 03:29:19.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: P697 million. asr-002759 03:29:19.660 --> 03:29:20.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: P697 million pesos. asr-002760 03:29:20.960 --> 03:29:21.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, asr-002761 03:29:21.780 --> 03:29:23.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: nakita natin asr-002762 03:29:23.000 --> 03:29:24.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang significant na paglaki asr-002763 03:29:24.700 --> 03:29:27.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: starting, let's say, in 20, asr-002764 03:29:27.580 --> 03:29:29.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: well, asr-002765 03:29:29.320 --> 03:29:30.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sabihin na natin 2020. asr-002766 03:29:31.260 --> 03:29:32.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And maybe we can understand, asr-002767 03:29:32.820 --> 03:29:33.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pandemia. asr-002768 03:29:33.940 --> 03:29:34.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-002769 03:29:35.280 --> 03:29:36.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 8.7 asr-002770 03:29:36.720 --> 03:29:38.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: billion. asr-002771 03:29:38.520 --> 03:29:40.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, from P697 million, asr-002772 03:29:40.420 --> 03:29:41.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 8.7 billion. asr-002773 03:29:42.100 --> 03:29:44.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, kahit tapos na ang pandemia, asr-002774 03:29:44.220 --> 03:29:45.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: even up to the present, asr-002775 03:29:46.420 --> 03:29:48.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay tuloy-tuloy ang paglaki asr-002776 03:29:48.340 --> 03:29:50.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng AICS, asr-002777 03:29:50.160 --> 03:29:51.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: or what I will call, asr-002778 03:29:51.780 --> 03:29:54.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: patronage-based asr-002779 03:29:54.500 --> 03:29:55.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ayuda. asr-002780 03:29:56.260 --> 03:29:58.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: By the way, yung blue dito, asr-002781 03:29:58.620 --> 03:29:59.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yan yung four-piece. asr-002782 03:30:00.000 --> 03:30:05.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nakikita ko si Congressman Abalos, 4-piece party list. asr-002783 03:30:06.060 --> 03:30:06.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung blue 4-piece. asr-002784 03:30:07.480 --> 03:30:11.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So let's call that the parametric-based ayuda. asr-002785 03:30:12.160 --> 03:30:15.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Parametric ayuda, meron mga objective criteria supposedly asr-002786 03:30:15.960 --> 03:30:19.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: as against the patronage-based ayuda, which is AIC. asr-002787 03:30:19.900 --> 03:30:30.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, makita po natin, especially in 2022, 23, 24, 25, asr-002788 03:30:30.700 --> 03:30:33.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pambihira po ang naging paglaki ng AICs. asr-002789 03:30:33.740 --> 03:30:39.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2026, it was 63.8 billion pesos. asr-002790 03:30:40.500 --> 03:30:42.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 63.8 billion pesos. asr-002791 03:30:42.720 --> 03:30:49.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That's a 9,000% increase from the AICs level in 2016. asr-002792 03:30:49.900 --> 03:30:55.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Times 90. Times 90 plus ang naging increase ng AICs. asr-002793 03:30:55.500 --> 03:31:01.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Noong 2024 and 2025, AICs yung orange, meron pangyelo dyan. asr-002794 03:31:01.560 --> 03:31:04.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung AICs na nadagdaga ng tinatawag na ACAP. asr-002795 03:31:05.640 --> 03:31:06.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan yung dalawang taon na ACAP, asr-002796 03:31:07.720 --> 03:31:10.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: which is another form of patronage-based ayuda. asr-002797 03:31:10.920 --> 03:31:14.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yun po ang point. Ngayon sa Dole, Tupad. asr-002798 03:31:15.860 --> 03:31:18.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016, Tupad was 3.2 billion. asr-002799 03:31:19.900 --> 03:31:27.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At the peak, 2024, it became 29 billion. asr-002800 03:31:28.040 --> 03:31:29.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 29 billion. asr-002801 03:31:30.540 --> 03:31:32.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: How many times ang increase nito? asr-002802 03:31:33.460 --> 03:31:36.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Times 3. asr-002803 03:31:36.980 --> 03:31:38.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Times 6, sorry. asr-002804 03:31:38.960 --> 03:31:40.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Six times increase. asr-002805 03:31:40.680 --> 03:31:41.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Six times increase. asr-002806 03:31:42.540 --> 03:31:45.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos, medyo bumaba yung levels ng Tupad, asr-002807 03:31:45.640 --> 03:31:47.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pero generally much higher. asr-002808 03:31:48.320 --> 03:31:49.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And you can see, asr-002809 03:31:49.180 --> 03:31:50.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: as a percentage, asr-002810 03:31:51.660 --> 03:31:53.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung Dole budget, yun yung blue. asr-002811 03:31:53.120 --> 03:31:55.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The rest of the Dole budget, that's the blue. asr-002812 03:31:56.320 --> 03:31:57.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung Dole budget, halos di lumalaki. asr-002813 03:31:58.740 --> 03:32:00.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Lumalaki lang sa budget ng Dole, asr-002814 03:32:00.920 --> 03:32:02.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung Tupad. asr-002815 03:32:03.140 --> 03:32:04.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kaya nga sa briefing, sabi ko, asr-002816 03:32:04.560 --> 03:32:06.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ano ba ang Dole? Ayuda agency na ba ito? asr-002817 03:32:07.900 --> 03:32:10.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Rather than an agency, supposedly, asr-002818 03:32:10.440 --> 03:32:12.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for protecting workers' rights? asr-002819 03:32:13.820 --> 03:32:14.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002820 03:32:14.860 --> 03:32:15.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, MAIF. asr-002821 03:32:16.520 --> 03:32:18.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. The MAIF story is asr-002822 03:32:19.180 --> 03:32:20.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it's the same, no? asr-002823 03:32:22.000 --> 03:32:23.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016, asr-002824 03:32:23.920 --> 03:32:28.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 1.4 billion pesos ang tama ba? asr-002825 03:32:29.020 --> 03:32:29.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang MAIF. asr-002826 03:32:30.900 --> 03:32:33.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, 2026, it was 51 billion. asr-002827 03:32:34.880 --> 03:32:40.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, from 1 billion to 51 billion in one decade. asr-002828 03:32:41.800 --> 03:32:43.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, again, how many times increase yan? asr-002829 03:32:43.500 --> 03:32:46.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Times 40 plus, roughly. asr-002830 03:32:46.780 --> 03:32:47.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I don't know. asr-002831 03:32:47.660 --> 03:32:48.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002832 03:32:49.180 --> 03:32:50.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano ang point? asr-002833 03:32:51.240 --> 03:32:53.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ang pinakita, asr-002834 03:32:54.240 --> 03:32:55.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: nabaon tayo sa utang, asr-002835 03:32:56.140 --> 03:32:57.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: malaki ang binabayaran. asr-002836 03:32:59.140 --> 03:32:59.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung utang na yun, asr-002837 03:32:59.920 --> 03:33:01.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ginamit for deficit spending. asr-002838 03:33:02.900 --> 03:33:03.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-002839 03:33:03.960 --> 03:33:06.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yung hindi kinikita through taxes, asr-002840 03:33:07.200 --> 03:33:07.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: utangin natin. asr-002841 03:33:08.080 --> 03:33:10.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: San ginamit yung deficit spending na yun? asr-002842 03:33:11.500 --> 03:33:12.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Malaking bahagi, asr-002843 03:33:12.620 --> 03:33:15.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ginamit para sa pork barrel. asr-002844 03:33:15.900 --> 03:33:16.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dalawang klase. asr-002845 03:33:16.640 --> 03:33:18.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Infrastructure. asr-002846 03:33:19.180 --> 03:33:20.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Flood control. asr-002847 03:33:21.120 --> 03:33:23.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi ko na nga sinama yung iba pang infrastructure. asr-002848 03:33:23.480 --> 03:33:24.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nandyan din yan. asr-002849 03:33:24.720 --> 03:33:25.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Flood control, asr-002850 03:33:26.220 --> 03:33:29.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: as well as patronage-based ayuda. asr-002851 03:33:31.000 --> 03:33:31.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-002852 03:33:31.800 --> 03:33:33.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yun po sinasabi natin. asr-002853 03:33:34.180 --> 03:33:34.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002854 03:33:35.540 --> 03:33:36.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? asr-002855 03:33:36.280 --> 03:33:37.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Is my analysis correct? asr-002856 03:33:38.320 --> 03:33:41.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam, Mr. Speaker, and Madam Sponsor? asr-002857 03:33:42.120 --> 03:33:44.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, if we may segment asr-002858 03:33:44.880 --> 03:33:45.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay. asr-002859 03:33:45.480 --> 03:33:46.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: All right. asr-002860 03:33:46.320 --> 03:33:48.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The different topics asr-002861 03:33:49.180 --> 03:33:50.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were put forth, asr-002862 03:33:50.180 --> 03:33:53.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung doon po sa nabanggit, asr-002863 03:33:53.180 --> 03:33:55.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: siguro po kasi ang dami po na noona, asr-002864 03:33:55.180 --> 03:33:58.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: present po muna yung deficit asr-002865 03:33:58.180 --> 03:34:00.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a percentage of the budget, asr-002866 03:34:00.180 --> 03:34:02.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and then pangalawa po, asr-002867 03:34:02.180 --> 03:34:05.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in-associate po doon po sa flood control asr-002868 03:34:05.180 --> 03:34:07.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: budgets per year, asr-002869 03:34:07.180 --> 03:34:09.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tapos ito po, yung mga social services. asr-002870 03:34:09.180 --> 03:34:11.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, siguro po, asr-002871 03:34:11.180 --> 03:34:14.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung sa flood control po, asr-002872 03:34:14.180 --> 03:34:17.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at saka sa borrowing, asr-002873 03:34:17.180 --> 03:34:19.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: siguro po, we would like to highlight po, asr-002874 03:34:19.180 --> 03:34:22.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that most of the borrowings, asr-002875 03:34:22.180 --> 03:34:26.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tinanong po kanina ng ating distinguished colleague, asr-002876 03:34:26.180 --> 03:34:28.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where the deficit went. asr-002877 03:34:28.180 --> 03:34:31.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Essentially, what was funded using the deficit? asr-002878 03:34:31.180 --> 03:34:34.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually po, majority of the deficit asr-002879 03:34:34.180 --> 03:34:38.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: went into funding different ODA, asr-002880 03:34:38.180 --> 03:34:40.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: big-ticket ODA items. asr-002881 03:34:40.180 --> 03:34:43.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For example po, the North-South Commuter Railway asr-002882 03:34:43.180 --> 03:34:48.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: started in 2015 as an ODA project, asr-002883 03:34:48.180 --> 03:34:51.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and then the Metro Manila Subway project asr-002884 03:34:51.180 --> 03:34:53.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: started in 2018. asr-002885 03:34:53.180 --> 03:34:55.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, majority of the borrowings asr-002886 03:34:55.180 --> 03:34:57.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: went towards funding asr-002887 03:34:57.180 --> 03:34:59.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the counterparts po asr-002888 03:34:59.180 --> 03:35:03.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for those big-ticket items po. asr-002889 03:35:03.180 --> 03:35:06.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, of course, asr-002890 03:35:06.180 --> 03:35:09.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwedeng sabihin yun, asr-002891 03:35:09.180 --> 03:35:11.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pero in the end, pwede rin sabihin, asr-002892 03:35:11.180 --> 03:35:13.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: eh yung pera na yan, fungible. asr-002893 03:35:13.180 --> 03:35:15.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? They're all in one pot. asr-002894 03:35:15.180 --> 03:35:16.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-002895 03:35:16.180 --> 03:35:20.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And yung kasamahan natin dito, asr-002896 03:35:20.180 --> 03:35:22.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: si Congressman [unclear], sinasabing, asr-002897 03:35:22.180 --> 03:35:25.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: hindi nga napopondohan yung ODA eh. asr-002898 03:35:25.180 --> 03:35:28.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nilalagay saan program? asr-002899 03:35:28.180 --> 03:35:32.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero what I posit here is that asr-002900 03:35:32.180 --> 03:35:36.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: since the budget and all sources asr-002901 03:35:36.180 --> 03:35:38.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: are fungible, ultimately, asr-002902 03:35:38.180 --> 03:35:40.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang sinasabing natin dito, asr-002903 03:35:40.180 --> 03:35:45.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: one thing made possible by the deficit spending, asr-002904 03:35:45.180 --> 03:35:47.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: funded by debt, asr-002905 03:35:47.180 --> 03:35:49.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: is the massive expansion asr-002906 03:35:49.180 --> 03:35:53.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in what I call pork barrel projects. asr-002907 03:35:53.180 --> 03:35:56.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Both yung tinatawag nating hard, infra, asr-002908 03:35:56.180 --> 03:35:58.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: at saka yung soft, ayuda. asr-002909 03:35:58.180 --> 03:36:01.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yun po ang ating pinapakita rito. asr-002910 03:36:01.180 --> 03:36:03.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon, hindi lang yun. asr-002911 03:36:03.180 --> 03:36:06.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I mean, next table, asr-002912 03:36:06.180 --> 03:36:08.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the other thing we will show here is asr-002913 03:36:08.180 --> 03:36:11.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung a new kind of pork asr-002914 03:36:11.180 --> 03:36:13.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na lumabas only asr-002915 03:36:13.180 --> 03:36:15.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for 2026. asr-002916 03:36:15.180 --> 03:36:16.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That is the asr-002917 03:36:16.180 --> 03:36:18.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: LGSF. asr-002918 03:36:18.180 --> 03:36:20.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun yung tinatanong kanina ni Congressman Erice asr-002919 03:36:20.180 --> 03:36:21.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: at iba pa, no? asr-002920 03:36:21.180 --> 03:36:23.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Na 2026 lang yan. asr-002921 03:36:23.180 --> 03:36:26.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And that's on the right, what you see. asr-002922 03:36:26.180 --> 03:36:29.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pambihirang paglaki sa GAA, asr-002923 03:36:29.180 --> 03:36:31.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: actually Congressional Initiative, asr-002924 03:36:31.180 --> 03:36:34.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: if you will, you know, be strict about it, asr-002925 03:36:34.180 --> 03:36:38.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung paglaki ng yung 57.8 billion asr-002926 03:36:38.180 --> 03:36:42.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na LGSF, 37 billion of which is, asr-002927 03:36:42.180 --> 03:36:44.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung FALGO, asr-002928 03:36:44.180 --> 03:36:46.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Financial Assistance to Local Government Units. asr-002929 03:36:46.180 --> 03:36:48.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi na tayo magtatagal dyan. asr-002930 03:36:48.180 --> 03:36:49.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002931 03:36:49.180 --> 03:36:52.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, and then the next table that I'll show, asr-002932 03:36:52.180 --> 03:36:54.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pasensya na po, data overload siguro, asr-002933 03:36:54.180 --> 03:36:56.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pero wala. asr-002934 03:36:56.180 --> 03:37:00.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: We're talking about 10 years of appropriations, no? asr-002935 03:37:00.180 --> 03:37:02.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Go to the next table. asr-002936 03:37:02.180 --> 03:37:04.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next table pa. asr-002937 03:37:04.180 --> 03:37:06.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That's unprogrammed appropriations. asr-002938 03:37:06.180 --> 03:37:09.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, unprogrammed appropriations asr-002939 03:37:09.180 --> 03:37:11.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from 2016 to 20... asr-002940 03:37:11.180 --> 03:37:13.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2027. asr-002941 03:37:13.180 --> 03:37:14.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, proposed. asr-002942 03:37:14.180 --> 03:37:16.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Wala, yan. Okay. asr-002943 03:37:16.180 --> 03:37:18.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, what is remarkable here? asr-002944 03:37:18.180 --> 03:37:20.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: You know, pag binisualize mo, makikita mo. asr-002945 03:37:20.180 --> 03:37:25.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Actually, you will see that una muna, asr-002946 03:37:25.180 --> 03:37:29.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from 2016 to 2021, asr-002947 03:37:29.180 --> 03:37:32.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: even during the peak of the pandemic, asr-002948 03:37:32.180 --> 03:37:35.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kung ano yung pinroposed ng NEP na unprogrammed, asr-002949 03:37:35.180 --> 03:37:38.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yun din yung aprobahan ng Kongreso. asr-002950 03:37:38.180 --> 03:37:40.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And generally, at a lower level. asr-002951 03:37:41.180 --> 03:37:42.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002952 03:37:42.180 --> 03:37:46.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2016, 67.5 billion yung UA. asr-002953 03:37:46.180 --> 03:37:51.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then 2021, kasagsagan ng pandemia, asr-002954 03:37:51.180 --> 03:37:56.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: unprogrammed is 176 billion. asr-002955 03:37:56.180 --> 03:37:59.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kung anong pinroposed ng NEP, yun din ang in-approve ng Kongreso. asr-002956 03:37:59.180 --> 03:38:03.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, starting in 2022, the last year, asr-002957 03:38:03.180 --> 03:38:06.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the last budget of the Duterte administration, asr-002958 03:38:06.180 --> 03:38:09.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ito yung unang kagat sa mansanas. asr-002959 03:38:09.180 --> 03:38:10.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ika nga. No? asr-002960 03:38:10.180 --> 03:38:12.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Biglang natuklasan ng Kongreso. asr-002961 03:38:12.180 --> 03:38:13.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Teka muna. asr-002962 03:38:13.180 --> 03:38:17.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pwede pala nating lakihan tong unprogrammed appropriations. asr-002963 03:38:17.180 --> 03:38:22.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 2022, the proposed is 151B. asr-002964 03:38:22.180 --> 03:38:26.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But GAA, 251B. asr-002965 03:38:26.180 --> 03:38:29.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, lumaki by 100B. asr-002966 03:38:29.180 --> 03:38:36.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, really, pagupo ng Marcos Jr. administration, tinodo na. asr-002967 03:38:36.180 --> 03:38:37.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002968 03:38:37.180 --> 03:38:39.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pag-abuso sa unprogrammed appropriations. asr-002969 03:38:39.180 --> 03:38:49.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2023, unbelievable, 807 billion ang unprogrammed appropriations. asr-002970 03:38:49.180 --> 03:38:54.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos 2024, 731 billion. asr-002971 03:38:54.180 --> 03:38:59.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then 2025, bumaba sa 336. asr-002972 03:38:59.180 --> 03:39:04.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos dahil naging constitutional issue na ito, and so on and so forth, asr-002973 03:39:04.180 --> 03:39:07.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ayan, papaliit ngayon ang unprogrammed. asr-002974 03:39:07.180 --> 03:39:08.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang iba nga. Sinasabi. asr-002975 03:39:08.180 --> 03:39:10.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dapat tanggalin na outright. asr-002976 03:39:10.180 --> 03:39:11.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-002977 03:39:11.180 --> 03:39:14.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But this is the story of unprogrammed appropriations. asr-002978 03:39:14.180 --> 03:39:15.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002979 03:39:15.180 --> 03:39:18.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, why is this relevant? asr-002980 03:39:18.180 --> 03:39:19.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002981 03:39:19.180 --> 03:39:20.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano ba ang nangyari? asr-002982 03:39:20.180 --> 03:39:27.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, alam natin na yung modus ng unprogrammed appropriations, bakit lumaki ng ganyan? asr-002983 03:39:27.180 --> 03:39:35.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Because regular items of the budget were being forced into unprogrammed appropriations asr-002984 03:39:35.180 --> 03:39:37.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: to create space for... asr-002985 03:39:38.180 --> 03:39:39.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Congressional insertions. asr-002986 03:39:39.180 --> 03:39:45.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung mga dagdag na ayuda, dagdag na flood control, at iba pa. asr-002987 03:39:45.180 --> 03:39:46.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-002988 03:39:46.180 --> 03:39:48.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? asr-002989 03:39:48.180 --> 03:39:51.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Are my facts correct? asr-002990 03:39:51.180 --> 03:39:56.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam sponsor, tama po ba yan? asr-002991 03:39:56.180 --> 03:40:03.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, siguro po ang aking pong nais-isagot sa ating kasamahan. asr-002993 03:40:04.440 --> 03:40:05.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung 2026 po. asr-002994 03:40:05.180 --> 03:40:07.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Siguro doon po kasi ako nagsimula man nung... asr-002996 03:40:07.360 --> 03:40:12.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nagsimula man nung kulan bilang chairperson ng Committee on Appropriations. asr-002999 03:40:12.040 --> 03:40:14.790 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun po yung maaari ko pong maipaliwanag. asr-003001 03:40:14.790 --> 03:40:17.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Because that is within my purview na po. asr-003002 03:40:17.180 --> 03:40:22.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang ginawa po talaga natin noong 2026, sinagurado po natin, nalinagyan po natin ng asr-003003 03:40:22.180 --> 03:40:26.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: karampatang safeguards yung mga unprogrammed appropriations po. asr-003004 03:40:26.180 --> 03:40:33.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Makikita po sa version po ng house na inaproobahan po natin ng GAB, tinanggal nga po natin asr-003005 03:40:33.180 --> 03:40:35.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung infrastructure mula doon sa sagip. asr-003006 03:40:35.180 --> 03:40:43.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So hindi na po natin pinayagan na magkaroon po ng kahit ano na releases patungo sa infrastructure asr-003007 03:40:43.180 --> 03:40:45.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: galing po sa unprogrammed appropriations. asr-003008 03:40:45.180 --> 03:40:52.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya makikita din po natin yung ating ginawang pag-rationalize ng mga allowable items under asr-003009 03:40:52.180 --> 03:40:58.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: unprogrammed appropriations during the HGAB as well as yung veto po na isinagawa na ating asr-003010 03:40:58.180 --> 03:41:03.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pangulo sa 2026 GAA nung unprogrammed appropriations. asr-003011 03:41:03.180 --> 03:41:04.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nakita po natin ang laki po ng binaba. asr-003012 03:41:04.180 --> 03:41:11.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At ngayon po ang 2027, kung titignan po natin, ito po yung pinakamababa. asr-003013 03:41:11.180 --> 03:41:19.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In nominal terms po, yung unprogrammed appropriations for the year 2027 as proposed in the NEP asr-003014 03:41:19.180 --> 03:41:25.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is the lowest since 1991 as a percentage of the budget. asr-003015 03:41:25.180 --> 03:41:32.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kung nominal terms naman po yung ating titignan, siguro po pagbabasihan po natin dito, at least 2019 po, asr-003016 03:41:32.180 --> 03:41:35.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yun po yung pinakamababa in nominal terms. asr-003017 03:41:35.180 --> 03:41:44.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, rest assured po, in the 2027 budget, sisiguraduhin po natin na kung ano man yung mga papayagan natin, asr-003018 03:41:44.180 --> 03:41:53.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga allowable uses under the unprogrammed appropriations na ating po aaprobahan sa House version ng General Appropriations Bill, asr-003019 03:41:53.180 --> 03:42:00.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sisiguraduhin po talaga natin na may safeguards yun at talagang doon lang pupunta sa pinakakinakailangan. asr-003020 03:42:00.180 --> 03:42:10.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po yung mga foreign assisted projects, risk management, yung mga obligasyon po natin na kinakailangan-kailangan po talaga ng standby funds. asr-003021 03:42:10.180 --> 03:42:18.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, thank you Madam Chair. So, ang point ko dito sa overview, baliktanaw sa 10 years ng pagbabudget, asr-003022 03:42:18.180 --> 03:42:25.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: una, na markado talaga ang paglaki ng utang starting during the pandemic. asr-003023 03:42:25.180 --> 03:42:28.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Naintindihan pa natin siguro, kailangan talagang umutang. asr-003024 03:42:28.180 --> 03:42:37.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero nagtuloy-tuloy ito. Ngayon lumaki na rin yung deficit spending sa panahon yun. asr-003025 03:42:37.180 --> 03:42:45.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ang tanong ngayon, saan ginamit yung utang? Napakinabangan ba ng taong bayan? asr-003026 03:42:45.180 --> 03:42:56.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pinakita natin, well, malaking bahagi ng inutang ginamit para mapalaki yung DPWH budget. asr-003027 03:42:56.180 --> 03:43:04.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Particularly flood control. Flood control lang pinakita natin dito. Hindi natin sinama yung mga iba pa, mga road, bridges, etc. asr-003028 03:43:04.180 --> 03:43:13.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But it follows the same trend. So, saan ginamit ang utang? Ginamit ang utang para sa flood control. asr-003029 03:43:13.180 --> 03:43:21.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ginamit din ang utang para palakihin astronomically ang ayuda. asr-003030 03:43:21.180 --> 03:43:25.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yung TUPAD, yung AICS. asr-003031 03:43:26.180 --> 03:43:34.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, anong naging pakinabang ng sambayan ng Pilipino? asr-003032 03:43:34.180 --> 03:43:39.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At ano ang naging pakinabang sa ekonomiya, sa pambansa, sa pag-unlad? asr-003033 03:43:39.180 --> 03:43:47.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ito na po ang point natin. Dahil sa ganito, ang nangyari, alam natin nangyari sa flood control. asr-003034 03:43:47.180 --> 03:43:53.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang nangyari sa flood control, ang laki ng binuhos, lumalala pa ang baha. asr-003035 03:43:53.180 --> 03:44:04.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Samantala, ang daming, ayan na, naging bahagi na ng araw-araw na pananalita ng mga kababayan natin, yung maleta. asr-003036 03:44:04.180 --> 03:44:13.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan na, ang daming nakatanggap daw ng maleta. That's because of the flood control corruption scandal, plunder. asr-003037 03:44:13.180 --> 03:44:22.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, a significant portion of the flood control money, according to whistleblowers, asr-003038 03:44:22.180 --> 03:44:28.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: like Bernardo, Yusec Bernardo, former Secretary Bonoan, napunta raw sa kickback. asr-003039 03:44:28.180 --> 03:44:33.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? As high as 30 to 50 percent of that money. asr-003040 03:44:33.180 --> 03:44:39.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. So, doon napunta sa corruption. Hindi sa aktual na proyektong pinakinabangan ng taong bayan. asr-003041 03:44:39.180 --> 03:44:42.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ganun din po. Paano naman yung ayuda? asr-003042 03:44:42.180 --> 03:44:47.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sabi ko nga, TUPAD. Sorry, AICS. asr-003043 03:44:47.180 --> 03:44:51.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 9,000 percent growth in AICS. asr-003044 03:44:51.180 --> 03:44:59.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Growth in AICS over a decade. Okay. Sabihin, well, natulungan naman ang kababayan natin ng AICS. And it's true. asr-003045 03:45:00.000 --> 03:45:22.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? For the most part, talaga namang nakakatulong sa taong bag. Ganun din naman yung MyFIP. Diba? It's a medical assistance. Sure. Okay. Pero ang sinasabi nga, ito yung patronage-based. Kailangan dumaan ka kay congressman, kailangan dumaan ka kay senator o kung sino paman. Okay. asr-003046 03:45:22.100 --> 03:45:28.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The other question is, so napunta, in other words, saan napunta ang napakalaking inutang? asr-003047 03:45:28.480 --> 03:45:36.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang pinupunta po natin dito ay napunta sa pork barrel, flood control, at sa patronage. asr-003048 03:45:37.600 --> 03:45:40.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Social services as patronage. Okay. asr-003049 03:45:41.300 --> 03:45:42.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Saan hindi napunta? asr-003050 03:45:43.960 --> 03:45:48.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi napunta, I mean, napakalaking ng inutang natin. asr-003051 03:45:48.580 --> 03:45:51.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pwede rin naman sana inilagay ito. asr-003052 03:45:51.620 --> 03:45:58.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa pagpapalakas ng agrikultura, pagpapalakas ng manupaktura. asr-003053 03:45:58.360 --> 03:46:03.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nakikita ko si Dep Dev Sek Balisakan. asr-003054 03:46:03.860 --> 03:46:08.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sinasabi niya, ang problema raw ng ekonomiya natin, largely consumption-driven. asr-003055 03:46:09.580 --> 03:46:14.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, pagka puro ayuda ang binibigay mo, ayun, consumption-driven. asr-003056 03:46:14.620 --> 03:46:20.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi ka lumili ka ng bago at pangmatagalang trabaho. asr-003057 03:46:20.540 --> 03:46:30.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, Madam, Mr. Chair, Madam Speaker, marami pa po tayo. Parang part one pa lang po tayo. asr-003058 03:46:31.880 --> 03:46:36.460 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Chair would like to remind Honorable Tinio that your time has expired. asr-003059 03:46:36.840 --> 03:46:41.720 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Okay. So, the Honorable Suansing will respond. asr-003060 03:46:41.860 --> 03:46:42.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes. asr-003061 03:46:42.140 --> 03:46:50.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No. Mr. Speaker, that was just my first point, no, that nabaon po tayo sa utang. asr-003062 03:46:50.540 --> 03:46:56.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Especially under the Marcos Jr. Administration, where did that debt go? asr-003063 03:46:56.920 --> 03:47:07.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No, it went to fund pork barrel, yung flood control, at saka yung pagpapalaki ng ayuda. asr-003064 03:47:07.220 --> 03:47:13.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No. So, dependence instead of economic independence. asr-003065 03:47:14.840 --> 03:47:20.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mr. Speaker, marami pa po tayong tanong. I suppose I can continue this. asr-003066 03:47:20.540 --> 03:47:27.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: During the interpellation of DEVDEV and then DBM, since magkakaugnay naman po yung mga tanong natin. asr-003067 03:47:28.180 --> 03:47:29.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, hanggang dyan na lang po. Marami kalamat. asr-003068 03:47:30.060 --> 03:47:30.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you. Majority Leader. asr-003069 03:47:31.580 --> 03:47:39.360 Floor Leader: Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize Honorable Sarah Jane Elago of Gabriela Party-list to interpellate the provisions and principles. asr-003070 03:47:39.360 --> 03:47:48.960 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Honorable Sarah Jane Elago of Gabriela Women's Party is recognized. Please proceed. asr-003071 03:48:05.070 --> 03:48:08.190 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Magandang araw sa lahat. asr-003072 03:48:09.030 --> 03:48:20.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ginoong Speaker, isang linggo na lang bago ang unang anibersaryo ng Baha sa Luneta at Trillion Peso March noong September 21, 2025. asr-003073 03:48:20.540 --> 03:48:32.760 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung kailan, libo-libong mga kababayan natin ang kumilos, nagmarcha at nagprotesta laban sa mga pagbaha, laban sa korupsyon at laban sa kawalan ng pananagutan. asr-003074 03:48:33.060 --> 03:48:49.760 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang isa sa mga bunga ng pagigigit ng mamamayan, ang pagsasama ng Section 19 ng Prohibition on Political Involvement in the Distribution of Cash and Other Forms of Financial Assistance sa 2026. asr-003075 03:48:50.540 --> 03:48:58.180 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na ngayon ay nasa Section 20 na ng ating 2027 General Appropriations Bill. asr-003076 03:48:58.180 --> 03:49:20.540 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang katanungan ko sa ating sponsor, at nagmula na rin sa naunang interpellation ni Representative Tinio, kung saan naipakita sa atin na bilyon-bilyon pa rin yung nakalaan para sa ayuda at malaki yung panawagan ng ating mga kababayan na asr-003078 03:49:20.540 --> 03:49:28.780 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: matugunan yung mga issue na may kinalaman sa pork, may kinalaman sa patronage, may kinalaman sa korupsyon. asr-003079 03:49:30.100 --> 03:49:38.560 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya lahat ba ng national government agencies na responsable sa pamimigay ng cash assistance asr-003080 03:49:38.560 --> 03:49:49.720 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: at iba pang financial aid ay nakapagbuo at nakapagpatupad ng kanilang mga requirements, protocols, at reporting mechanisms? asr-003081 03:49:50.540 --> 03:49:57.000 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para matiyak ang strict compliance sa Section 19 ng 2026 GAA. asr-003082 03:50:09.160 --> 03:50:15.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleagues, so for these po, if you would look at Section 19, asr-003083 03:50:15.520 --> 03:50:20.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I would use specific examples po to respond to the query of our Distinguished Colleagues. asr-003084 03:50:20.540 --> 03:50:28.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po, for AICS, under DSWD, bumuo po ng sarili nilang internal guidelines yung iba't-ibang mga ahensya. asr-003085 03:50:28.700 --> 03:50:34.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I believe it's the same po. Nakita ko rin po yun, may guidelines yung MAEFIP, may guidelines po yung TAPAD. asr-003086 03:50:34.660 --> 03:50:38.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So nagsagawa po sila ng kanilang kanya-kanyang internal guidelines po. asr-003087 03:50:39.260 --> 03:50:48.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At pagdating po sa monitoring, sila din po sa loob na ahensya, yung nagsisigurado na may strict enforcement po asr-003088 03:50:48.400 --> 03:50:50.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng kanilang mga internal guidelines. asr-003089 03:50:50.540 --> 03:50:52.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ito ang maaaring maarating kaakibat po noong Section 19. asr-003090 03:50:53.680 --> 03:51:00.340 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, para masigurado, maari ba nating malaman kung ano ang bilang ng Department Order, asr-003091 03:51:00.720 --> 03:51:08.740 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Memorandum Circular ba yan, or Administrative Order, na magtitiyak ng maayos na paggamit sa mga programa na ito? asr-003092 03:51:16.820 --> 03:51:19.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-003093 03:51:19.080 --> 03:51:22.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang pwede po naming gawin ay kukuha po kami ng kopya nung asr-003094 03:51:22.160 --> 03:51:34.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: iba't ibang department order or memorandum circular ng iba't ibang ahensya na apektado po nitong Section 19, at maaari po naming ibigay sa ating kasamahan. asr-003095 03:51:34.900 --> 03:51:50.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, sa isang madaling paghahanap, halimbawa sa Department of Social Welfare and Development para sa kanilang Protective Services for Individuals and Families in Difficult Circumstances, nakasama rito yung AICS. asr-003096 03:51:50.620 --> 03:52:04.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang pinakahuling nilabas nilang memorandum circular tungkol sa guidelines sa implementation ng programa na ito ay noong 2022 pa sa kanilang memorandum circular No. 15, Series of 2022. asr-003097 03:52:04.900 --> 03:52:14.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Gayon din sa halimbawa sa Department of Labor and Employment sa kanilang programa sa tupad. asr-003098 03:52:15.220 --> 03:52:25.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang pinakahuli na nilabas ay noong 2023 pa sa Department Order No. 239. asr-003099 03:52:26.100 --> 03:52:34.880 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pagdating naman sa Department of Health para sa kanilang medical assistance para sa indigent patients, asr-003100 03:52:34.900 --> 03:52:45.220 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ang pinakahuli po na lumabas ay meron ng Administrative Order No. 2026-0031. asr-003101 03:52:46.220 --> 03:53:03.900 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit kung titignan nyo yung body ng mismong nilabas na guidelines na ito, wala hong pagkakabanggit ng Section 19 na magtitiyak ng prohibisyon ng political involvement sa distribution. asr-003102 03:53:03.960 --> 03:53:08.230 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng cash assistance at financial aid. asr-003104 03:53:08.230 --> 03:53:10.260 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ano hong masasabi dito ng ating sponsor? asr-003105 03:53:10.260 --> 03:53:15.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, kinukuha lang po namin yung mismong kopya po. asr-003106 03:53:16.200 --> 03:53:34.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero halimbawa po, yung doon po sa DSWD, siguradong sigurado po ako na merong pagbanggit, kung hindi man po nila nabanggit yung Section 19 specifically, yung wording po ay nakaayon doon po sa nakalagay sa Section 19. asr-003107 03:53:34.900 --> 03:53:36.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kukunin lang po namin sa DSWD. asr-003108 03:53:36.700 --> 03:53:56.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun po talaga, linalagay talaga yung exact wording po na yung hindi po pwedeng maging present or walang kahit anong paraphernalia na pwedeng ilagay sa kahit anuman sa mga cash assistance releases ng DSWD. asr-003109 03:53:56.420 --> 03:54:04.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So sure po ako doon, may bago pong guideline yung DSWD na re-release lang po pagkatapos ng 2026 GA. asr-003110 03:54:04.900 --> 03:54:14.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sigurado din po ako sa MAIFIP. Yun po naka-explicitly stated po doon yung nabawal na po yung guarantee letter. asr-003111 03:54:15.340 --> 03:54:18.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ganon po ka-explicit yung nakalagay doon po sa MAIFIP. asr-003112 03:54:18.420 --> 03:54:34.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So kinukuha ko lang po, pero ang pagkakaalam po natin ay lahat po ng mga ahensya na nabanggit po dito, masisigurado ko po yung DSWD at saka yung AX at saka MAIFIP kasi yun po yung nakita ko po yung kopya. asr-003113 03:54:34.900 --> 03:54:41.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Na meron po, nabanggit po yung ating intention doon po sa Section 19. asr-003114 03:54:42.220 --> 03:54:47.180 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, napakahirap pong maging sigurado kung walang ispesipikong numero. asr-003115 03:54:47.180 --> 03:55:03.180 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya hintayin po natin yung kopya ng mga guidelines na yan dahil hindi natin gusto na parang token lang yung pagsasama ng seksyon na ito na magagamit sana natin para labanan. asr-003116 03:55:03.180 --> 03:55:12.120 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: labanan yung paggamit sa pamumulitika o sa patronahe ng ganitong tipo ng mga serbisyo at mga programa. asr-003142 03:55:12.120 --> 03:55:22.900 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon naman, nakasaad din, Ginoong Speaker, sa Section 19 ang obligasyon ng Joint Congressional Oversight Committee on Public Expenditures. asr-003143 03:55:23.400 --> 03:55:34.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para bantayan, subaybayan ang compliance ng mga national government agencies pagdating sa programa na ito. asr-003144 03:55:34.320 --> 03:55:38.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: at yung compliance mismo ng NGAs. asr-003145 03:55:38.460 --> 03:55:44.560 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maaari ba nating malaman, nakapagpulong ba ang Joint Congressional Oversight Committee na ito? asr-003146 03:55:45.580 --> 03:55:48.640 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At ano sa ngayon, yung inyong mga findings? asr-003147 03:55:51.200 --> 03:55:57.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, sa totoo po, ito pong Joint Congressional Oversight Committee on Public Expenditures asr-003148 03:55:57.740 --> 03:56:03.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi pa po na-co-convene para po sa 20th Congress. asr-003149 03:56:03.060 --> 03:56:10.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang dahilan po ay dahil nagkaroon po ng pagkakataon na nauna po kasing kino-convene yung InfraCom. asr-003150 03:56:10.860 --> 03:56:21.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So medyo nagsabay-sabay po kasi yung mga oversight committees na pareho po yung intention na kanila pong babantayan. asr-003151 03:56:21.280 --> 03:56:26.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang assurance po na maibibigay po natin sa ating distinguished colleague asr-003152 03:56:26.800 --> 03:56:32.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay i-convene po natin soon yung Joint Congressional Oversight Committee. asr-003153 03:56:33.060 --> 03:56:45.720 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, kailan ho balak ng Joint Congressional Oversight Committee na makapagpulong para dito? asr-003154 03:56:46.780 --> 03:56:54.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa kasalukuyan po kasi, nagsabay po yung budget deliberations ng Kamara at ng Senado. asr-003155 03:56:54.940 --> 03:57:02.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo inaayos lang po namin ng ating counterpart sa Senado, si Sen. J.V. Ejercito po, asr-003156 03:57:02.140 --> 03:57:04.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung chairman po ng Committee on Finance. asr-003157 03:57:05.060 --> 03:57:11.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero kapag naayos po namin ito, ipabalitaan ko po kayo kaagad kung kailan po i-convene. asr-003158 03:57:11.900 --> 03:57:17.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo nabibusy lang po sa schedule ng budget hearings sa parehong kapulungan. asr-003159 03:57:19.380 --> 03:57:29.520 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Naintindihan natin, Mr. Speaker, pero sa kabila nito, nakakadismaya pa rin po na nilalagay natin ang mga mahalagang seksyon na ito. asr-003160 03:57:29.520 --> 03:57:31.280 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit hindi po natin nakikita. asr-003161 03:57:32.140 --> 03:57:40.240 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: O ay nagiging strikto na tayo din ay nagiging seryoso sa pagpapatupad ng mga seksyon na makakatulong sa atin, asr-003162 03:57:40.340 --> 03:57:45.020 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: natiyakin na ang bawat piso napupunta talaga sa serbisyo para sa tao. asr-003163 03:57:45.240 --> 03:57:49.140 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya ho, abangan natin yung mga guidelines. asr-003164 03:57:49.520 --> 03:57:58.400 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At sana ho, kung meron ng initial na assessment, monitoring, ang DSWD, ang DOLE, gayon din ang DOH, asr-003165 03:57:58.400 --> 03:58:01.960 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa pagtitiyak nito, ay pag-aaralan din. asr-003166 03:58:02.140 --> 03:58:03.740 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: O, ng representasyon na ito. asr-003167 03:58:04.100 --> 03:58:12.040 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Napakahalaga nito, ginoong speaker, dahil, halimbawa na lang po, gano'n ba kalaki yung pinag-uusapan natin na pondo? asr-003168 03:58:12.600 --> 03:58:19.780 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa, yung pondo sa AECS, na nasa 63.9 billion para sa 2026. asr-003169 03:58:20.160 --> 03:58:26.300 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yan ho ay lagpa sa doble ng buong pondo ng Department of Science and Technology. asr-003170 03:58:26.920 --> 03:58:31.260 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At yan din ho ay bilyong-bilyong pondo. asr-003173 03:58:32.120 --> 03:58:33.800 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At sana ay nailalaan din natin. asr-003174 03:58:33.900 --> 03:58:39.120 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa ibang mga proyekto, halimbawa, yung tulong para sa mga children with disability, asr-003175 03:58:39.880 --> 03:58:45.380 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: yung tulong para sa mga nagiging biktima ng online sexual abuse and exploitation of children, asr-003176 03:58:46.000 --> 03:58:51.040 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: yung tulong para sa mga adolescent parents and mothers, asr-003177 03:58:51.820 --> 03:58:55.060 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ang lakiho na pangangailangan sa mga projects na yan. asr-003178 03:58:55.060 --> 03:59:00.060 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit nakita natin na hindi nabibigyan ng sapat na pondo. asr-003179 03:59:00.060 --> 03:59:02.300 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon. asr-003179-split-2 03:59:02.300 --> 03:59:02.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes. asr-003180 03:59:02.900 --> 03:59:03.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo. asr-003181 03:59:03.400 --> 03:59:06.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kung maaari po akong tumugon, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, asr-003182 03:59:07.360 --> 03:59:11.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ito pong mga nabanggit po ni Representative Elago, asr-003183 03:59:12.400 --> 03:59:16.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: isa din po yan sa ating mga tinututukan ng mga programa. asr-003184 03:59:16.800 --> 03:59:22.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kung matatandaan po natin sa Barisipo para sa GAA ng taong 2026, asr-003185 03:59:22.740 --> 03:59:23.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dinagdagan po natin yan. asr-003186 03:59:23.900 --> 03:59:29.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nagdagdag po tayo sa Protect Teen under DSWD to protect, asr-003187 03:59:30.060 --> 03:59:30.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Adolescent Mothers. asr-003188 03:59:31.540 --> 03:59:36.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nagbigay din po tayo ng pondo sa ilalim ng OSIIC asr-003189 03:59:36.100 --> 03:59:41.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para po sa protection ng youth at yung mga kabataan po against abuses. asr-003190 03:59:41.880 --> 03:59:43.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, rest assured naman po, asr-003191 03:59:44.260 --> 03:59:52.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are making sure po that these programs also get the funding that they need po. asr-003192 03:59:53.200 --> 03:59:56.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi naman po dahil nagkakalon po ng pondo, asr-003193 03:59:56.100 --> 04:00:00.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: itong mga social services natin ay nakakaligtaan na po natin yung ibang mga programs. asr-003194 04:00:00.000 --> 04:00:07.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na mahahalaga din. So I'm with you po on that in making sure that we are able to fund these programs as well. asr-003195 04:00:08.700 --> 04:00:16.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung dun po sa monitoring, siguro po pagdating po ng iba't-ibang mga ahensya, maaari din po nating talakayin sa kanila yan. asr-003196 04:00:16.960 --> 04:00:23.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pag na-isa lang po natin yung DSWD, yung DOLE, yung DOH dito po sa plenaryo. asr-003197 04:00:23.720 --> 04:00:35.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So commitment ko po, maaari po na tutulungan ko po ang ating kasamahan na matanong din po yung mga ahensya patungkol po dun sa monitoring nila ng implementasyon ng Section 19. asr-003198 04:00:35.660 --> 04:00:47.340 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, para ko sa kaalaman ng ating distinguished sponsor, na alam ko po ay talagang may pagtutok tulad ng kanyang nasabi sa mahalagang programa na ito asr-003199 04:00:47.340 --> 04:00:53.220 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: para sa 2027 na General Appropriations Bill, zero ang budget ng ESP. asr-003200 04:00:53.720 --> 04:01:02.520 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Enhanced Protecting, zero ang budget ng Project SAFE, zero ang budget para sa Project Aruga. asr-003201 04:01:02.520 --> 04:01:05.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yan po yung para sa children with disability. asr-003202 04:01:06.320 --> 04:01:23.580 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At nangangailangan at nananawagan sila na yung 25 million pesos na naibigay at nailagak para sa kanilang mga proyekto noong 2026 ay magpatuloy para sa 2027 at kung pwede pa nga ay mataas. asr-003203 04:01:23.720 --> 04:01:29.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Dahil gayon din kalaki yung pangangailangan sa mga proyekto na ito. asr-003204 04:01:29.100 --> 04:01:47.920 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon naman, aginoong speaker, hayaan nyo naman po ako magtanong tungkol sa pagpapaliwanag ng ating distinguished sponsor tungkol sa House Bill No. 10858 na naglalaman ng ating 2027 General Appropriations Bill. asr-003205 04:01:47.920 --> 04:01:51.920 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung babasahin po natin ang ating mga... asr-003206 04:01:53.720 --> 04:02:02.340 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: dahilan, ang paliwanag para sa ating mga budget priorities at direksyon para sa susunod na taon, asr-003207 04:02:03.120 --> 04:02:14.540 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: napaka-optimistic po ng ating mga nakikita para sa susunod na taon ng ating macroeconomic assumptions. asr-003208 04:02:15.540 --> 04:02:23.540 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa, para sa fiscal year 2027, ang ating projection para sa inflation rate ay nasa asr-003209 04:02:23.720 --> 04:02:25.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: 4% to 5% lamang. asr-003210 04:02:26.860 --> 04:02:33.180 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pagdating naman sa foreign exchange rate, nasa 60 pesos to 60 pesos lamang. asr-003211 04:02:34.000 --> 04:02:46.840 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At sa parehong halaga, aginoong speaker, ngayon hong September 2026, ay pareho na tayong lumagpas sa mga projection na ito para sa susunod na taon. asr-003212 04:02:47.600 --> 04:02:52.260 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya hong katanungan ko ay ano yung mga hakbang? asr-003213 04:02:52.260 --> 04:02:55.200 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para matiyak yung pagkamit. asr-003214 04:02:55.460 --> 04:02:57.720 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa, yung mga projection na ito. asr-003215 04:02:58.920 --> 04:03:09.260 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At paano natin magagawa rin na mapaunlad yung trabaho, yung kabuhayan, yung kalagayan ng ating mga kababayan? asr-003216 04:03:10.360 --> 04:03:20.400 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Lalo lalo na sa panahon ngayon na bagsak na bagsak ang piso, pataas ang presyo ng mga biligin, pataas ang presyo ng pagkain. asr-003217 04:03:20.400 --> 04:03:21.640 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At ito, ito, ito. asr-003218 04:03:22.260 --> 04:03:28.220 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Lumagpas na naman sa isang daang piso, tada litro, ang presyo ng gasolina. asr-003219 04:03:29.080 --> 04:03:36.900 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ayan po yung mga issue na lubos na nakapagpahirap sa ating mga kababayan. asr-003220 04:03:39.140 --> 04:03:40.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, this is my colleague. asr-003221 04:03:40.900 --> 04:03:51.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So pagdating po doon sa mga macroeconomic assumptions na nabanggit po, halimbawa po inflation rate, foreign exchange rate, unemployment rate, asr-003222 04:03:51.240 --> 04:04:04.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: GDP growth, lahat po ng mga economic assumptions po, ina-update po siya ng DBCC every three months. asr-003223 04:04:04.860 --> 04:04:13.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So quarterly po yung pag-update noong mga macroeconomic assumptions and targets, base po sa mga nangyayadi. asr-003224 04:04:13.120 --> 04:04:21.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po kung may pagkakaiba po, halimbawa sa ini-impose na US tariffs, kailangan po i-update yun because that affects the global trade. asr-003225 04:04:21.240 --> 04:04:27.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Or halimbawa po yung geopolitical conflict po sa Middle East, ina-update din po yun. asr-003226 04:04:27.920 --> 04:04:40.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So yun po yung dahilan kung bakit paminsan nagmumukha po na medyo optimistic siya masyado as compared to the current realities kasi i-update pa lang po siya. asr-003227 04:04:41.260 --> 04:04:50.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms po of papaano po natin i-bridge yung gap sa pagitan po noong targets at saka yung actual po na nangyayadi. asr-003228 04:04:51.240 --> 04:05:03.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang ginawa po sa pag-develop po noong budget, sinigurado po na maganda po yung kalidad noong mga spending priorities. asr-003229 04:05:03.440 --> 04:05:14.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ibig sabihin po, nag-focus po doon sa mga programa na may mataas na economic multipliers o di kaya mag-generate po ng mas magandang mga trabaho asr-003230 04:05:14.200 --> 04:05:20.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or mag-accelerate po ng government expenditures. asr-003231 04:05:21.240 --> 04:05:22.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And the like. asr-003232 04:05:22.620 --> 04:05:28.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ganun po yung ginagawa po ng DBCC family. asr-003233 04:05:28.480 --> 04:05:32.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ina-update po yung macroeconomic assumptions natin every three months. asr-003234 04:05:32.340 --> 04:05:46.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And at the same time po, sinisigurado po na yung mga pinapasok po ng mga activities and projects and programs sa budget ay talagang makakatulong po na mas mapabilis po yung paglago ng ating ekonomiya asr-003235 04:05:46.400 --> 04:05:51.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at makakatugon po doon sa pinakailangan ng ating mga kababayan. asr-003236 04:05:51.240 --> 04:05:58.400 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nabanggit Mr. Speaker ng ating Distinguished Sponsor yung tungkol sa pandaigdiga na crisis. asr-003237 04:05:58.820 --> 04:06:07.560 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit ang napakahalaga din na silipin natin paano naman yung krisis sa lokal na ekonomiya sa ating bayan. asr-003238 04:06:08.140 --> 04:06:12.220 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kumusta ba ang ating agrikultura? Kumusta ba ang ating manupaktura? asr-003239 04:06:12.640 --> 04:06:19.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At nakita po natin na ang agriculture at manufacturing, parehong bagsak na bagsak dito sa ating bansa. asr-003240 04:06:19.940 --> 04:06:26.760 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At makikita natin na halos walang nagbago mula 2026 sa kung paano natin tinitignan yung mga programa. asr-003241 04:06:26.920 --> 04:06:33.460 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa, pagdating sa micro-small-medium enterprise development program na nasa 900 million. asr-003242 04:06:34.120 --> 04:06:39.080 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nandiyan din yung industry development program na nasa 900 million noong 2026. asr-003243 04:06:39.380 --> 04:06:43.440 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At may konting pagtaas, may konting pagbaba para sa 2027. asr-003244 04:06:43.440 --> 04:06:48.800 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pero wala hong signifikante na pagbabago sa kung paano natin na minamalaki. asr-003245 04:06:48.800 --> 04:06:51.780 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yung pagpapaunlad ng lokal na produksyon. asr-003246 04:06:52.340 --> 04:07:01.280 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Gayun din ho, pagdating sa lokal na agrikultura, ang matagal na panawagan ng mga magsasaka at mga manginisda para sa production subsidy. asr-003247 04:07:01.860 --> 04:07:10.340 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para matiyak na sa harap ng mga sunod-sunod na malalakas na bagyo, mga habagat na may dalang malakas na pagulan. asr-003248 04:07:10.340 --> 04:07:14.560 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa extreme heat, dulot din ang super-elminyo. asr-003249 04:07:15.400 --> 04:07:18.780 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Hindi lang mas mainit, kundi mga mas madalas at mas malalakas na mga bagyo. asr-003250 04:07:18.800 --> 04:07:21.460 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Tulot ng banta ng super-elminyo. asr-003251 04:07:22.040 --> 04:07:30.580 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakita ho natin na hindi po gumalaw yung mga priorities at hindi nakalapat sa pangangailangan. asr-003252 04:07:31.160 --> 04:07:37.880 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung paano ba natin kitiyakin yung pagiging self-reliant ng ating national economy. asr-003253 04:07:38.260 --> 04:07:47.340 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Na tayo ho ay matibay, nakakatindig sa sarili nating paa sa panahon na may matinding pandaigdigan na krisis. asr-003254 04:07:48.800 --> 04:07:52.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague. asr-003255 04:07:52.760 --> 04:08:01.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So pagdating po sa agrikultura, kung titignan po natin, nandiyan pa rin po yung Rice Competitiveness Enhancement Fund. asr-003256 04:08:01.780 --> 04:08:09.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May 30 billion pesos pa rin po doon para po makatulong sa makinarya, binhi, training at pautang para po sa ating mga magsasaka. asr-003257 04:08:11.940 --> 04:08:16.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We recognize the point of our distinguished colleague na kung titignan po natin, asr-003258 04:08:16.960 --> 04:08:27.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: NEP to NEP or GAAT to NEP yung pondo po ng agricultural sector bumaba. asr-003259 04:08:29.940 --> 04:08:32.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: From GAAT to NEP po bumaba. asr-003260 04:08:32.580 --> 04:08:43.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po nung BARC po na isinagawa natin dito sa Kamara noong nakaraang taon, malaki po kasi yung mga naidagdag natin para po sa agrikultura. asr-003261 04:08:43.060 --> 04:08:46.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nakapaglagay po tayo para sa Presidential Assistance. asr-003262 04:08:46.960 --> 04:08:56.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Farmers and Fisher Folk, nakapaglagay po tayo para sa Farm to Market Road, mga deep water ports, mga irrigation, solar irrigation pumps and the like. asr-003263 04:08:56.400 --> 04:09:03.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So sa atin pong parte, sa parte po ng Committee on Appropriations at sa atin po dito sa Kamara, asr-003264 04:09:04.160 --> 04:09:13.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: iisa po yung ating paninindigan na gusto po talaga nating matulungan yung sektor ng agrikultura, gusto po nating matulungan ng ating mga magsasaka at manging isda. asr-003265 04:09:14.140 --> 04:09:16.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So on our part po, we will endeavor. asr-003266 04:09:16.960 --> 04:09:36.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In the next weeks that we are deliberating on the budget po at dinideliberate din po natin yung mga amyenda na gusto po nating maipasok na sana po magawa din natin yung nagawa natin noong nakaraang taon na madagdagan po natin yung mga pangangailangan na pondo ng ating agricultural sector. asr-003267 04:09:36.540 --> 04:09:40.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Lalo na po merong banta ng El Nino na papadating. asr-003268 04:09:41.080 --> 04:09:46.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So nabanggit din po yan ng DA, hingi po sana sa additional funding para sa... asr-003269 04:09:46.960 --> 04:09:51.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Utilizer assistance, mga subsidies para po sa ating mga magsasaka. asr-003270 04:09:51.820 --> 04:10:09.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang aking assurance ay sa mga dadating na linggo po, sisiguraduhin po din natin na mabibigyan natin ng prioridad yung mga pangangailangan ng agriculture sector para po mapaigting yung lokal na production at saka masecure po yung ating food security. asr-003271 04:10:11.040 --> 04:10:16.860 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: So seryoso tayo, ginaong speaker sa pagbibigay ng prioridad sa lokal na agrikultura at industrial. asr-003272 04:10:16.960 --> 04:10:28.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: So sa pagbibigay ng prioridad sa lokal na agrikultura at industrial, makakakita talaga tayo ng signifikante na pagbabago sa kung paano din nilalaanan ng kinakailangan pondo ang ating mga agencies na may kinalaman sa mga ito. asr-003273 04:10:28.620 --> 04:10:32.840 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Hindi natin kailangan ngayon ng bariya-bariya lang na pagtataas o bariya-bariyang pagbabago. asr-003274 04:10:33.640 --> 04:10:41.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kundi mas mataas, substantial, ayon sa pangangailangan para mapalakas ang ating agrikultura at industriyang Pilipino. asr-003275 04:10:41.940 --> 04:10:46.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon naman may kinalaman din dito, ginaong speaker, section 34 ng ating... asr-003276 04:10:46.960 --> 04:10:53.860 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: General Provisions ang tungkol sa Harmonized National Research and Development Agenda. asr-003277 04:10:54.320 --> 04:11:11.380 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maari mo bang magulat ang ating distinguished sponsor sa kung nasusunod ba talaga yung pambansa na koordinado na nagagamit natin yung bunga ng mga pananaliksik ng ating mga government research institutions asr-003278 04:11:11.380 --> 04:11:16.460 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa iba't ibang mga services, needs, programs. asr-003279 04:11:16.960 --> 04:11:20.780 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng iba't ibang national government agencies sa ating bansa. asr-003280 04:11:29.960 --> 04:11:35.920 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, kasama din dito, hindi lang po ang ating mga national government agencies, asr-003281 04:11:36.660 --> 04:11:43.240 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kabilang din ang local government units, ang academe, ang industry, ang communities. asr-003282 04:11:43.240 --> 04:11:46.240 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung paano ba titiyakin na yung... asr-003283 04:11:46.960 --> 04:11:59.280 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mga binawa, pinag-isipan, mga likha ng ating mga siyentista, ng ating mga manggagawa sa agham at teknolohiya ay lubos na napapakinabangan ng mamamayang Pilipino. asr-003284 04:11:59.960 --> 04:12:10.880 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yan ho ay nakalagay sa ating general provisions na mahalaga para wala hong masasayang na resources pagdating sa research and development. asr-003286 04:12:23.560 --> 04:12:29.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, my apologies po. The question po is how do we monitor po, di ba? asr-003287 04:12:32.100 --> 04:12:33.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'll defer po to DBM. asr-003292 04:13:00.490 --> 04:13:16.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, ito pong Section 34, yung Harmonized National Research and Development Agenda, the agency principally tasked to manage this government research and development agenda asr-003293 04:13:16.960 --> 04:13:37.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: One of the development agenda programs would be DOST. Sa kasalukuyin po, wala pong visibility yung DBM doon po sa actual na implementasyon nito. So kung papayagan po tayo na ating distinguished colleague, we can pose the same question to DOST when they're here for their plenary deliberations. asr-003294 04:13:38.240 --> 04:13:44.820 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, nagsumite ba ng progress report ang DOST tungkol dito sa ating House Committee on Appropriations? asr-003295 04:13:45.840 --> 04:13:46.820 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakalagay rin po kasi sa DOST. asr-003296 04:13:46.960 --> 04:14:10.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa Section 34 na dapat sila ay dalga bibigay ng kopya ng kanilang progress report. Hindi lang po sa House Committee on Appropriations pero sa, ganyan din po sa Senado, sa iba't ibang mahalaga po na officials na may kinalaman sa pagpapatupad ng General Appropriations Act. asr-003297 04:14:10.640 --> 04:14:16.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, given that the Committee on Appropriations is one of the recipients, asr-003298 04:14:16.960 --> 04:14:35.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: supposedly, of the report, we are doing a quick check lang po. Mr. Speaker, if we could revert back to our distinguished colleague, if we could move to a different question and then give us a few minutes lang po. We're checking with our staff in the Committee on Appropriations kung nagsumite na po sila. asr-003299 04:14:35.960 --> 04:14:46.960 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, natanong ko ito dahil ang DOST nakapag-develop ng isang local sexual assault investigation team. asr-003300 04:14:46.960 --> 04:15:00.020 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At nabalita nila sa atin dito sa Congress na namumblema sila, na meron silang napaunlad, meron silang produkto ng ating agham at teknoloy. asr-003301 04:15:00.000 --> 04:15:03.840 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na dito mismo sa ating bansa na paunlad. asr-003302 04:15:04.440 --> 04:15:11.180 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit ang problema, hindi naman ito ang unang prioridad pagdating sa procurement. asr-003303 04:15:11.440 --> 04:15:16.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa, ng mga Women and Children Protection Unit sa ating mga ospital asr-003304 04:15:16.620 --> 04:15:25.640 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: para makatulong sa timely collection ng forensic evidence na may kinalaman sa sexual assault cases asr-003305 04:15:25.640 --> 04:15:32.740 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: at iba't iba pang kaso ng gender-based violence na makangailangan ng ganitong tipo ng kit. asr-003306 04:15:33.220 --> 04:15:38.680 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Namumblema po tayo na, kumbaga yung tawag po dyan ng mga Gen Z Millennials, asr-003307 04:15:38.820 --> 04:15:41.740 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: parang walang GC, parang hindi nag-uusap. asr-003308 04:15:41.740 --> 04:15:50.800 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Bagamat may ganitong napakahalagang seksyon, pero kanya-kanya po yung trabaho pagdating sa mga serbisyo at plataporma. asr-003309 04:15:51.340 --> 04:15:55.500 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nagtanong din po tayo sa harap halimbawa ng DICT. asr-003310 04:15:55.640 --> 04:16:05.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yung ginagamit ba nila ng mga software, programs, online, learning platforms na binabayaran natin ng mga subscription, asr-003311 04:16:06.960 --> 04:16:11.980 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: license renewal, yan ba ay gawa, na-develop ng mga Pilipino? asr-003312 04:16:12.640 --> 04:16:22.200 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kasi napakarami din po nating mga profesional, mga talento, siyentista, engineer, na eksperto sa development ng ganito. asr-003313 04:16:22.200 --> 04:16:25.020 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit, paano ba natin natitiyak? asr-003314 04:16:25.020 --> 04:16:32.380 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya yung kanila hong mga outputs ay nagagamit mismo din ng ating pamahalaan. asr-003315 04:16:32.500 --> 04:16:41.420 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya ho, aabangan natin yung submission ng ating committee pagdating sa napakahalagang agenda na ito. asr-003316 04:16:41.980 --> 04:16:49.660 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon naman, pagdating ho sa Section 35 na bilang panghuli sa Programs and Projects Related to Gender and Development. asr-003317 04:16:50.660 --> 04:16:53.060 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nagsumiti ho sa amin ang DBM. asr-003318 04:16:53.300 --> 04:16:54.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maraming salamat po. asr-003319 04:16:55.020 --> 04:17:02.000 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang report na tungkol sa utilization ng Gender and Development Fund. asr-003320 04:17:02.900 --> 04:17:11.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Or, hindi pala fund, kasi dapat po integrated yan sa iba't-ibang mga programs, projects, at activities ng ating NGAs. asr-003321 04:17:11.780 --> 04:17:15.540 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pero napansin ho namin na meron ding hindi nagpasa. asr-003322 04:17:18.060 --> 04:17:22.680 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakasalukuyan ho ba na mga guidelines ng DBM? asr-003323 04:17:23.220 --> 04:17:24.540 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Meron ho ba tayong... asr-003324 04:17:25.020 --> 04:17:29.140 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ang ginagawa para itong mga hindi nagpapasa ng kanilang mga ulat, asr-003325 04:17:29.340 --> 04:17:36.020 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kung paano nila ginagamit yung at least 5% ng kanilang funding para sa Gender and Development, asr-003326 04:17:36.520 --> 04:17:48.220 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ay hindi lang ho nasasabikan, kundi napapaalalahanan at may pananagutan pagdating sa paggamit ng kanilang GAD budget. asr-003327 04:17:52.100 --> 04:17:54.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, asr-003328 04:17:55.020 --> 04:18:02.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I think po dito, in terms of the monitoring, Commission on Audit po, yung parte po ng audit reports nila, asr-003329 04:18:02.780 --> 04:18:06.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung patungkol po sa Gender and Development program. asr-003330 04:18:06.280 --> 04:18:13.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, halimbawa po po may isang ahensya po na bumaba doon po sa 5% na requirement, asr-003331 04:18:13.940 --> 04:18:15.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kuwa po yung nagko-call out. asr-003332 04:18:16.000 --> 04:18:18.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Parte po yun ng kanilang audit findings. asr-003333 04:18:19.340 --> 04:18:21.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Maraming salamat, Ginong Speaker. asr-003334 04:18:21.720 --> 04:18:23.280 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At hindi lang po ito tungkol sa pag-comply doon sa at least 5%. asr-003335 04:18:25.020 --> 04:18:30.980 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pero pagkikiyak na talagang nagamit para sa layunin na i-integrate, asr-003336 04:18:32.200 --> 04:18:37.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: tunay na i-mainstream yung Gender and Development sa lahat ng mga programa, proyekto at aktividad, asr-003337 04:18:37.980 --> 04:18:42.780 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: yan ho ang ating bubusisiin pa sa mga susunod na deliberasyon dito sa plenaryo. asr-003338 04:18:42.880 --> 04:18:46.080 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maraming salamat, Ginong Speaker. Maraming salamat, Distinguished Sponsor. asr-003339 04:18:46.800 --> 04:18:50.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much to our Distinguished Colleague. asr-003340 04:18:50.540 --> 04:18:51.180 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Majority Leader. asr-003342 04:18:53.520 --> 04:18:54.620 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mr. Speaker. asr-003343 04:18:55.020 --> 04:19:01.200 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mr. Speaker, next to interpellate the sponsor, I move to recognize the Honorable Presley C. De Jesus of PHILRECA Party-list. asr-003344 04:19:01.860 --> 04:19:07.460 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Honorable Presley De Jesus of PHILRECA Party-list is recognized. Please proceed. asr-003345 04:19:08.560 --> 04:19:13.280 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, Distinguished Sponsor. asr-003346 04:19:13.280 --> 04:19:17.460 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: My question, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor, asr-003347 04:19:17.960 --> 04:19:23.280 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is it correct that the government expected to borrow for fiscal year 2027 asr-003348 04:19:25.020 --> 04:19:31.400 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: P3.3 trillion to finance the expected fiscal deficit for 2027? asr-003349 04:19:32.320 --> 04:19:34.420 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Is that the amount correct? P3.3 trillion? asr-003350 04:19:40.300 --> 04:19:48.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, yes, I can confirm that. Total gross borrowing for 2027 is P3.3 trillion. asr-003351 04:19:49.220 --> 04:19:54.520 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So that P3.3 trillion does include the principal and interest. Is that correct? asr-003352 04:19:55.020 --> 04:19:56.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That is correct, Mr. Speaker. asr-003353 04:19:57.260 --> 04:20:04.580 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So for 2027, magkano po yung forecast natin na income natin? asr-003354 04:20:05.240 --> 04:20:10.580 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Coming from BIR, Bureau of Customs, and I guess other income. asr-003355 04:20:23.060 --> 04:20:23.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P3.3 trillion. asr-003356 04:20:23.540 --> 04:20:24.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, for 2020, asr-003357 04:20:25.020 --> 04:20:29.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sorry, for 2027, as indicated in the BASF po, asr-003358 04:20:30.260 --> 04:20:34.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: total projected revenues is at P5.2 trillion. asr-003359 04:20:34.840 --> 04:20:40.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Of that po, P4.85 trillion will be tax revenues, asr-003360 04:20:41.260 --> 04:20:47.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and P354 billion will be non-tax revenues po. asr-003361 04:20:48.620 --> 04:20:51.820 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So what's this P4.8 trillion? asr-003362 04:20:51.820 --> 04:20:51.960 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Ano? asr-003363 04:20:53.660 --> 04:20:54.400 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Ano yung breakdown? asr-003364 04:20:55.020 --> 04:20:56.100 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Can you repeat the breakdown, please? asr-003365 04:20:59.100 --> 04:21:06.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For, for, ano po, out of the P5.2 trillion total projected revenues, asr-003366 04:21:06.580 --> 04:21:11.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P4.85 trillion of that are projected to be tax revenues. asr-003367 04:21:11.700 --> 04:21:12.280 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: From BIR. asr-003368 04:21:12.880 --> 04:21:13.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sorry po. asr-003369 04:21:13.580 --> 04:21:14.120 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: From BIR. asr-003370 04:21:14.600 --> 04:21:15.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ito po yung breakdown. asr-003371 04:21:16.140 --> 04:21:24.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Out of the P4.85 trillion, for BIR po, BIR is projected to generate P3.74, asr-003372 04:21:25.020 --> 04:21:26.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion pesos. asr-003373 04:21:26.140 --> 04:21:32.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The Bureau of Customs expected to generate P1.07 trillion pesos. asr-003374 04:21:33.440 --> 04:21:36.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And other offices po, at P40 billion pesos. asr-003375 04:21:37.340 --> 04:21:38.600 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: P14 billion. asr-003376 04:21:38.840 --> 04:21:40.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P40 billion. asr-003377 04:21:40.120 --> 04:21:41.960 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: P40 billion, that's other. asr-003378 04:21:42.180 --> 04:21:43.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Other offices po. asr-003379 04:21:43.440 --> 04:21:47.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So do you know what's the breakdown of the other income? asr-003380 04:21:47.140 --> 04:21:49.140 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Is that the sales from privatization? asr-003381 04:21:50.380 --> 04:21:50.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yeah. asr-003382 04:21:52.020 --> 04:21:54.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang sigurado ko po yung sa privatization, asr-003383 04:21:54.380 --> 04:21:58.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P100 billion, P101 billion pesos po. asr-003384 04:22:00.240 --> 04:22:01.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero ano po yun eh. asr-003385 04:22:01.840 --> 04:22:02.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: You said? asr-003386 04:22:03.620 --> 04:22:04.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Non-tax po yun. asr-003387 04:22:04.920 --> 04:22:06.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi po siya parte ng tax revenues. asr-003388 04:22:07.480 --> 04:22:13.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, kukulitin po natin, out of the P5.2 trillion in total revenues, asr-003389 04:22:14.380 --> 04:22:17.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P4.85 trillion po yung tax revenues. asr-003390 04:22:18.440 --> 04:22:22.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tapos yun po yung binanggit ko na breakdown kanina ng BIR, BOC, and other offices. asr-003391 04:22:22.860 --> 04:22:23.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, P300 billion. asr-003392 04:22:24.380 --> 04:22:28.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P354 billion po ang non-tax revenues. asr-003393 04:22:28.340 --> 04:22:30.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Doon po nakapasok yung privatization. asr-003394 04:22:31.320 --> 04:22:33.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So, the P3.3 trillion, no? asr-003395 04:22:34.100 --> 04:22:39.140 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So, out of that, the P2.4 trillion from domestic sources through treasury bills, ba? asr-003396 04:22:40.140 --> 04:22:41.360 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Yung P2.4 billion. asr-003397 04:22:41.600 --> 04:22:42.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: The P3.3 total. asr-003398 04:22:43.120 --> 04:22:44.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nasaan si Ma'am Sharon? asr-003399 04:22:44.300 --> 04:22:45.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ma'am Sharon? asr-003402 04:23:07.300 --> 04:23:10.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kinukuha lang po natin mula po sa DOF, asr-003403 04:23:10.640 --> 04:23:16.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung po breakdown ng by domestic versus foreign sources and by type po. asr-003404 04:23:16.680 --> 04:23:20.380 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Yeah, Mr. Speaker, kasi kailangang maintindihan natin mga kababayan kung bakit. asr-003405 04:23:20.800 --> 04:23:22.320 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Paano yung breakdown ng 3.3? asr-003406 04:23:23.220 --> 04:23:23.780 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Domestic? asr-003407 04:23:23.780 --> 04:23:26.440 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: saka externally asr-003408 04:23:26.440 --> 04:23:28.660 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: through programs. asr-003409 04:23:53.780 --> 04:23:55.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, asr-003410 04:23:56.260 --> 04:23:57.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so with regard to the asr-003411 04:23:57.700 --> 04:23:59.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: total borrowings po, asr-003412 04:24:01.140 --> 04:24:02.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: gross external asr-003413 04:24:02.340 --> 04:24:03.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: borrowings account for asr-003414 04:24:03.760 --> 04:24:06.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 914 billion asr-003415 04:24:06.140 --> 04:24:10.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 914 asr-003416 04:24:10.300 --> 04:24:12.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually asr-003417 04:24:12.060 --> 04:24:14.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 915 billion pesos po. asr-003418 04:24:15.280 --> 04:24:16.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Gross domestic borrowings asr-003419 04:24:16.780 --> 04:24:18.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: account for 2.39 asr-003420 04:24:19.320 --> 04:24:20.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion. asr-003421 04:24:21.620 --> 04:24:23.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kung gusto po ba natin asr-003422 04:24:23.420 --> 04:24:24.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang breakdown ng asr-003423 04:24:24.640 --> 04:24:26.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: domestic borrowings. asr-003424 04:24:26.340 --> 04:24:28.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Andun po yung T-bills and fixed rate. asr-003425 04:24:28.500 --> 04:24:29.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Yes, please. asr-003426 04:24:29.500 --> 04:24:32.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa ilalim po noong gross domestic borrowings asr-003427 04:24:32.800 --> 04:24:34.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: out of the 2.39 asr-003428 04:24:34.320 --> 04:24:35.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion, asr-003429 04:24:36.140 --> 04:24:38.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 60 billion of that asr-003430 04:24:38.040 --> 04:24:40.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are treasury bills. asr-003431 04:24:40.960 --> 04:24:41.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then the rest po, asr-003432 04:24:42.020 --> 04:24:44.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the remaining 2.33 asr-003433 04:24:44.020 --> 04:24:46.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion are fixed rate treasury asr-003434 04:24:46.540 --> 04:24:47.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: bonds. asr-003435 04:24:48.000 --> 04:24:50.520 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, asr-003436 04:24:50.680 --> 04:24:51.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor. asr-003437 04:24:52.280 --> 04:24:53.200 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Moving forward, asr-003438 04:24:53.420 --> 04:24:55.440 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: just to continue from the line of asr-003439 04:24:55.440 --> 04:24:57.280 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: questioning of Representatives asr-003440 04:24:57.280 --> 04:24:59.540 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Tinio and Elago. Mr. Speaker, asr-003441 04:24:59.700 --> 04:25:00.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor, asr-003442 04:25:00.620 --> 04:25:02.380 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: when all debt asr-003443 04:25:02.380 --> 04:25:04.940 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: matures, the government asr-003444 04:25:04.940 --> 04:25:06.800 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: may need to borrow again asr-003445 04:25:06.800 --> 04:25:08.020 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: to replace it. asr-003446 04:25:08.920 --> 04:25:10.780 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: The problem is that some of asr-003447 04:25:10.780 --> 04:25:13.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the debt being refinanced asr-003448 04:25:13.000 --> 04:25:14.480 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: was contracted asr-003449 04:25:14.480 --> 04:25:15.940 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: during pandemic. asr-003450 04:25:17.120 --> 04:25:18.660 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: When interest rates were asr-003451 04:25:18.660 --> 04:25:19.960 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: relatively low, asr-003453 04:25:23.420 --> 04:25:25.280 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: if the new loans carry higher asr-003454 04:25:25.280 --> 04:25:27.340 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: interest rate, the government will asr-003455 04:25:27.340 --> 04:25:29.380 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: have to pay more to service asr-003456 04:25:29.380 --> 04:25:31.260 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the same debts. Is this asr-003457 04:25:31.260 --> 04:25:32.480 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: observation accurate? asr-003458 04:25:33.700 --> 04:25:35.420 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Because remember, during pandemic, there's asr-003459 04:25:35.420 --> 04:25:37.480 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: no businesses at all. So talaga, asr-003460 04:25:37.900 --> 04:25:39.360 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: walang umuutang, walang asr-003461 04:25:39.360 --> 04:25:40.840 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: business at all, kaya mababa asr-003462 04:25:40.840 --> 04:25:43.300 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ang rate natin. And ngayon, asr-003463 04:25:43.820 --> 04:25:45.500 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: because the pandemic asr-003464 04:25:45.500 --> 04:25:47.880 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: problem resurfaced asr-003465 04:25:47.880 --> 04:25:49.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ngayon, binabayaran natin ngayon asr-003466 04:25:49.620 --> 04:25:50.820 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: with different asr-003467 04:25:50.820 --> 04:25:52.900 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: interest rate. So, asr-003468 04:25:53.420 --> 04:25:55.120 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: paano maapektuhan yun sa atin ngayon ito? asr-003469 04:26:10.700 --> 04:26:11.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-003470 04:26:12.560 --> 04:26:14.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague, to be able asr-003471 04:26:14.240 --> 04:26:16.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to cushion asr-003472 04:26:16.300 --> 04:26:17.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: any asr-003473 04:26:17.540 --> 04:26:19.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: exposure asr-003474 04:26:19.740 --> 04:26:22.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to external shocks, 70% asr-003475 04:26:22.480 --> 04:26:23.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po of our asr-003476 04:26:23.380 --> 04:26:27.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: borrowings are asr-003477 04:26:27.080 --> 04:26:29.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: domestic. So, that's the reason asr-003478 04:26:29.220 --> 04:26:31.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po why kahit asr-003479 04:26:31.200 --> 04:26:32.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: paano po na babawasan po yung asr-003480 04:26:32.920 --> 04:26:35.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: exposure natin sa foreign shocks. asr-003481 04:26:35.200 --> 04:26:37.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And within the domestic borrowings asr-003482 04:26:37.220 --> 04:26:38.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po, we asr-003483 04:26:38.600 --> 04:26:40.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: recognize the point of our distinguished asr-003484 04:26:40.940 --> 04:26:43.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleague that the rates as of asr-003485 04:26:43.140 --> 04:26:45.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: now are elevated as compared to asr-003486 04:26:45.320 --> 04:26:47.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: during the time of the pandemic asr-003487 04:26:47.060 --> 04:26:48.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: when these loans were asr-003488 04:26:48.840 --> 04:26:50.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: secured. But the way po asr-003489 04:26:50.960 --> 04:26:52.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that we are also reducing asr-003490 04:26:52.400 --> 04:27:06.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our exposure is that 90% of our gross domestic borrowings are fixed rate treasury bonds. So, at least po, hindi po tayo dumidepende sa prevailing market interest rates. asr-003491 04:27:06.940 --> 04:27:11.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, at least medyo nagbe-blend siya because of the domestic borrowings. asr-003492 04:27:11.300 --> 04:27:21.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Dalawa po. We rely mostly on domestic borrowings and within our domestic borrowings, 90% of those are fixed rate treasury bonds. asr-003493 04:27:22.400 --> 04:27:24.280 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Fixed rate, that's the most important thing. asr-003494 04:27:24.700 --> 04:27:26.440 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Okay. So, am I correct asr-003495 04:27:26.440 --> 04:27:28.720 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: in stating that this situation asr-003496 04:27:28.720 --> 04:27:30.460 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: means that a larger portion asr-003497 04:27:30.460 --> 04:27:32.420 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: of government spending will be asr-003498 04:27:32.420 --> 04:27:34.300 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: tied up in debt payments in asr-003499 04:27:34.300 --> 04:27:36.700 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: 2027? Debt service asr-003500 04:27:36.700 --> 04:27:38.120 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: projected to account for asr-003501 04:27:38.120 --> 04:27:40.600 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: 39.2% of total asr-003502 04:27:40.600 --> 04:27:41.840 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: government expenditures, asr-003503 04:27:42.620 --> 04:27:44.660 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: an increase of 7.6% asr-003504 04:27:44.660 --> 04:27:46.560 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: points from the previous asr-003505 04:27:46.560 --> 04:27:48.100 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: year. Is this correct? asr-003506 04:27:51.360 --> 04:27:52.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-003507 04:27:52.400 --> 04:27:54.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we may clarify, is it debt servicing asr-003508 04:27:54.480 --> 04:27:56.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a percentage of asr-003509 04:27:56.120 --> 04:27:58.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the budget or as a percentage of GDP po? asr-003510 04:27:58.880 --> 04:27:59.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung percentage po. asr-003511 04:28:00.480 --> 04:28:01.300 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Percentage of GDP. asr-003512 04:28:35.050 --> 04:28:38.240 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: For 2027 po, asr-003513 04:28:38.240 --> 04:28:44.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, based on the data from the DOF for 2027 po, if we look at interest asr-003514 04:28:44.480 --> 04:28:46.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments as a percentage of asr-003515 04:28:46.480 --> 04:28:48.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: GDP, the figure that we have asr-003516 04:28:48.460 --> 04:28:49.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po is 3.4%. asr-003517 04:28:49.880 --> 04:28:52.380 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. asr-003518 04:28:52.400 --> 04:28:53.440 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor. asr-003519 04:28:54.880 --> 04:28:56.240 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: My point is, asr-003520 04:28:56.420 --> 04:28:58.300 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: how long the Filipino taxpayers asr-003521 04:28:58.300 --> 04:28:59.640 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: expect asr-003522 04:28:59.640 --> 04:29:01.680 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: to pay these debts? asr-003523 04:29:02.460 --> 04:29:04.420 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: This portion of the budget represents asr-003524 04:29:04.420 --> 04:29:06.700 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: money that have been allocated asr-003525 04:29:06.700 --> 04:29:08.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: for projects that can actually asr-003526 04:29:08.620 --> 04:29:10.460 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: be felt and experienced asr-003527 04:29:10.460 --> 04:29:12.280 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: by Filipinos. Because asr-003528 04:29:12.280 --> 04:29:14.600 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: continued budget deficits asr-003529 04:29:14.600 --> 04:29:16.580 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: that will be financed asr-003530 04:29:16.580 --> 04:29:18.120 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: by additional borrowings asr-003531 04:29:18.120 --> 04:29:20.360 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: will continue to experience asr-003532 04:29:20.360 --> 04:29:22.240 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: these increases annually, asr-003533 04:29:22.400 --> 04:29:24.780 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: perpetually, until asr-003534 04:29:24.780 --> 04:29:26.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: we reach a point that maybe half of asr-003535 04:29:26.620 --> 04:29:28.580 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: our budget goes to debt servicing. asr-003536 04:29:29.620 --> 04:29:30.540 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Ito na po yung nakikita asr-003537 04:29:30.540 --> 04:29:32.140 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ang kinakatakutan po natin, no? asr-003538 04:29:32.840 --> 04:29:34.540 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Because, Mr. Speaker, asr-003539 04:29:34.660 --> 04:29:36.500 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor, every year, asr-003540 04:29:36.900 --> 04:29:38.680 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: I'm not blaming any asr-003541 04:29:38.680 --> 04:29:40.680 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: administration, kasi ito na talaga eh. asr-003542 04:29:41.180 --> 04:29:41.860 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Doon na yung papunta. asr-003543 04:29:42.280 --> 04:29:43.260 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So, dating ba tayo, asr-003544 04:29:43.700 --> 04:29:46.320 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor, asr-003545 04:29:47.080 --> 04:29:48.560 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: na dating ba tayo na pano na asr-003546 04:29:48.560 --> 04:29:50.400 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: kalahatin ng ating budget asr-003547 04:29:50.400 --> 04:29:51.720 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: will be asr-003548 04:29:51.720 --> 04:29:53.780 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: allocated for debt servicing asr-003549 04:29:53.780 --> 04:29:55.900 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: principal interest. Dating ba tayo asr-003550 04:29:55.900 --> 04:29:57.680 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: sa ganung oras? Kasi right now, it's asr-003551 04:29:57.680 --> 04:30:00.120 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: one-third. Am I right? Almost one-third. asr-003552 04:30:00.000 --> 04:30:01.940 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: third of our total asr-003553 04:30:01.940 --> 04:30:04.220 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: budget, pambahid lang natin asr-003554 04:30:04.220 --> 04:30:05.700 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ng interest asr-003555 04:30:05.700 --> 04:30:08.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: at principal. Ang kinakatukot asr-003556 04:30:08.000 --> 04:30:10.080 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ng ko po rito, baka dumating araw, asr-003557 04:30:10.840 --> 04:30:11.700 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: 50% asr-003558 04:30:11.700 --> 04:30:13.720 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: pambahid natin. Ano pa asr-003559 04:30:13.720 --> 04:30:15.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: mangyayari sa ating mga social asr-003560 04:30:15.620 --> 04:30:16.600 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: services natin? asr-003561 04:30:17.620 --> 04:30:19.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa kasalukuyin po, Mr. Speaker, asr-003562 04:30:19.720 --> 04:30:21.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: just to clarify po, interest asr-003563 04:30:21.660 --> 04:30:23.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments as a percentage asr-003564 04:30:23.960 --> 04:30:26.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the budget is at 15% asr-003565 04:30:26.160 --> 04:30:27.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at the moment. asr-003566 04:30:28.300 --> 04:30:29.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ngayon po, asr-003567 04:30:29.520 --> 04:30:31.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang pinitignan po, ang goal din po asr-003568 04:30:31.560 --> 04:30:33.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating economic managers asr-003569 04:30:33.020 --> 04:30:35.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is to do fiscal consolidation. asr-003570 04:30:36.200 --> 04:30:37.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the goal po is to narrow asr-003571 04:30:37.680 --> 04:30:39.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the deficit as we go along. asr-003572 04:30:40.520 --> 04:30:42.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang target po asr-003573 04:30:42.560 --> 04:30:43.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is by asr-003574 04:30:43.320 --> 04:30:45.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 asr-003575 04:30:45.280 --> 04:30:47.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: from 5.4% asr-003576 04:30:47.820 --> 04:30:50.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sorry, from a 5.4 asr-003577 04:30:50.240 --> 04:30:51.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ratio in asr-003578 04:30:51.500 --> 04:30:53.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2026, bababa po ng asr-003579 04:30:53.360 --> 04:30:55.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 5.1 ng asr-003580 04:30:55.220 --> 04:30:57.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 and by 2030 po, asr-003581 04:30:57.660 --> 04:30:59.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hopefully, 3.5%. asr-003582 04:30:59.520 --> 04:31:01.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung debt to GDP ratio asr-003583 04:31:01.780 --> 04:31:03.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po natin. So asr-003584 04:31:03.360 --> 04:31:05.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ngayon po, I recognize asr-003585 04:31:05.680 --> 04:31:07.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the point po of our distinguished asr-003586 04:31:07.340 --> 04:31:09.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleague that this is also eating up asr-003587 04:31:09.600 --> 04:31:11.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our fiscal space, asr-003588 04:31:11.540 --> 04:31:13.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the debt servicing, the interest asr-003589 04:31:13.320 --> 04:31:15.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments. As mentioned earlier asr-003590 04:31:15.660 --> 04:31:17.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po, in 2028, asr-003591 04:31:18.540 --> 04:31:19.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang target po kasi asr-003592 04:31:19.460 --> 04:31:21.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is the same level of 7.2 asr-003593 04:31:21.680 --> 04:31:23.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion pesos in terms of the budget. asr-003594 04:31:23.800 --> 04:31:25.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So given that we have higher interest asr-003595 04:31:25.400 --> 04:31:27.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments po, it will asr-003596 04:31:27.520 --> 04:31:29.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: eat up our fiscal space. asr-003597 04:31:29.520 --> 04:31:31.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero rest assured po, asr-003598 04:31:31.580 --> 04:31:33.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we will make sure in the asr-003599 04:31:33.480 --> 04:31:35.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: way that we craft the budget for asr-003600 04:31:35.080 --> 04:31:37.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027, hindi po asr-003601 04:31:37.640 --> 04:31:39.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: bababa asr-003602 04:31:39.640 --> 04:31:41.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung ating asr-003603 04:31:41.980 --> 04:31:43.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: budget para sa social asr-003604 04:31:43.340 --> 04:31:45.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: services at iba pang mga asr-003605 04:31:45.000 --> 04:31:47.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: critical na mga proyekto at programa asr-003606 04:31:47.600 --> 04:31:49.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dahil po sa interest asr-003607 04:31:49.540 --> 04:31:51.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments at sa debt servicing. So we will asr-003608 04:31:51.460 --> 04:31:52.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: make sure po that we safeguard asr-003609 04:31:52.940 --> 04:31:55.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the budget for asr-003610 04:31:55.240 --> 04:31:56.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: those critical asr-003611 04:31:56.980 --> 04:31:57.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: programs. asr-003612 04:31:59.520 --> 04:32:01.500 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Mr. Sponsor, yun lang naman kailangan natin, no? asr-003613 04:32:01.580 --> 04:32:03.500 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: We need to safeguard. Kasi tayang. asr-003614 04:32:04.000 --> 04:32:05.940 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Just imagine, yung ordinaryong asr-003615 04:32:05.940 --> 04:32:07.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: pamilya, kumikita lang asr-003616 04:32:07.620 --> 04:32:09.560 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ng 10,000, nakakapag-save sila. asr-003617 04:32:10.160 --> 04:32:11.560 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Tayo, we need to asr-003618 04:32:11.560 --> 04:32:13.880 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: borrow money para lang asr-003619 04:32:13.880 --> 04:32:15.700 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: we know, we understand, we have to asr-003620 04:32:15.700 --> 04:32:17.820 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: pump up the economy. Kailangan natin asr-003621 04:32:17.820 --> 04:32:18.920 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: niya para umiikot ang asr-003622 04:32:18.920 --> 04:32:19.960 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: economy natin. asr-003623 04:32:21.160 --> 04:32:23.220 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Sponsor, asr-003624 04:32:23.840 --> 04:32:25.700 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal year 2027 budget asr-003625 04:32:25.700 --> 04:32:27.380 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: claims to pursue asr-003626 04:32:27.380 --> 04:32:29.300 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal consolidation. asr-003627 04:32:29.520 --> 04:32:31.680 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Consolidation. But if consolidation asr-003628 04:32:31.680 --> 04:32:33.720 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is proceeding more slowly asr-003629 04:32:33.720 --> 04:32:35.700 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: than originally intended asr-003630 04:32:35.700 --> 04:32:37.900 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: and debt to GDP asr-003631 04:32:37.900 --> 04:32:40.060 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is projected to rise asr-003632 04:32:40.060 --> 04:32:42.380 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: from 66% asr-003633 04:32:42.380 --> 04:32:43.820 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: in 2026 asr-003634 04:32:43.820 --> 04:32:46.240 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: to 72.9% asr-003635 04:32:46.240 --> 04:32:47.200 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: by 2030, asr-003636 04:32:47.880 --> 04:32:49.720 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: can we really say that the current asr-003637 04:32:49.720 --> 04:32:51.160 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal path is sufficient asr-003638 04:32:51.160 --> 04:32:53.240 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: to stabilize our debt? asr-003639 04:33:25.520 --> 04:33:26.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. asr-003640 04:33:26.080 --> 04:33:27.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, asr-003641 04:33:27.040 --> 04:33:29.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we recognize the asr-003642 04:33:29.480 --> 04:33:31.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: point po and we agree that given asr-003643 04:33:31.440 --> 04:33:33.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the macroeconomic asr-003644 04:33:33.140 --> 04:33:35.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: situation, the geopolitical asr-003645 04:33:35.460 --> 04:33:37.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: political conflict, asr-003646 04:33:37.940 --> 04:33:39.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: external trade shocks asr-003647 04:33:39.660 --> 04:33:41.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the like, mas bumagal po asr-003648 04:33:41.860 --> 04:33:43.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: than projected. asr-003649 04:33:43.600 --> 04:33:43.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung asr-003650 04:33:43.960 --> 04:33:46.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pagbaba asr-003651 04:33:46.920 --> 04:33:49.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong debt to GDP ratio natin. asr-003652 04:33:49.980 --> 04:33:51.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, if we look asr-003653 04:33:51.600 --> 04:33:53.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at the projections po, between asr-003654 04:33:53.560 --> 04:33:56.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2026 and 2030, asr-003655 04:33:56.120 --> 04:33:57.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the goal is to asr-003656 04:33:57.900 --> 04:33:59.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: reduce the debt asr-003657 04:33:59.480 --> 04:34:00.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to GDP ratio from asr-003658 04:34:00.780 --> 04:34:04.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 58.6 in 2026 asr-003659 04:34:04.760 --> 04:34:08.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to 56.1 in 2030. asr-003660 04:34:08.540 --> 04:34:10.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So even po, even if the fiscal asr-003661 04:34:10.600 --> 04:34:13.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: consolidation slowed down, asr-003662 04:34:13.000 --> 04:34:14.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the rate of fiscal consolidation asr-003663 04:34:14.720 --> 04:34:17.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: slowed down, the goal po is by asr-003664 04:34:17.220 --> 04:34:19.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2030, we'll be able to reduce asr-003665 04:34:19.240 --> 04:34:21.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: debt to GDP ratio by asr-003666 04:34:21.080 --> 04:34:23.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at least 2.5%. asr-003667 04:34:23.940 --> 04:34:25.040 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you. asr-003668 04:34:25.040 --> 04:34:27.100 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: While there is no immediate liquidity asr-003669 04:34:27.100 --> 04:34:29.320 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: crisis, medium term asr-003670 04:34:29.320 --> 04:34:31.620 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal risks are increasing. asr-003671 04:34:31.620 --> 04:34:33.360 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So the issue is not whether we are asr-003672 04:34:33.360 --> 04:34:35.480 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: in a debt crisis today, asr-003673 04:34:35.480 --> 04:34:38.060 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: but whether we are moving forward asr-003674 04:34:38.060 --> 04:34:40.180 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: toward a sustainable debt asr-003675 04:34:40.180 --> 04:34:41.400 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: trajectory. asr-003676 04:34:41.400 --> 04:34:42.400 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: This is correct. asr-003677 04:34:51.460 --> 04:34:53.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, we can say asr-003678 04:34:53.460 --> 04:34:55.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that yes, it is sustainable asr-003679 04:34:55.860 --> 04:34:58.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the benchmark for asr-003680 04:34:58.660 --> 04:35:01.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: general government debt is at 70%. asr-003681 04:35:01.640 --> 04:35:04.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And right now, we are at 58.6%. asr-003682 04:35:04.440 --> 04:35:06.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And targeting to go down asr-003683 04:35:06.580 --> 04:35:09.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to 56.1% by 2030. asr-003684 04:35:10.760 --> 04:35:13.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Can you also confirm the statement asr-003685 04:35:13.000 --> 04:35:14.320 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: that weaker economic asr-003686 04:35:14.320 --> 04:35:16.500 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: growth presents asr-003687 04:35:16.500 --> 04:35:19.040 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the greatest risk to the country's asr-003688 04:35:19.040 --> 04:35:19.900 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: debt trajectory? asr-003689 04:35:20.640 --> 04:35:21.880 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Would it therefore be asr-003690 04:35:21.880 --> 04:35:24.280 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: counterproductive to pursue asr-003691 04:35:24.280 --> 04:35:26.760 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal consolidation asr-003692 04:35:26.760 --> 04:35:28.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: by indiscriminate asr-003693 04:35:28.000 --> 04:35:30.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: cutting productive asr-003694 04:35:30.000 --> 04:35:31.740 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: public spending? asr-003695 04:35:38.980 --> 04:35:39.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-003696 04:35:39.940 --> 04:35:42.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the economic managers asr-003697 04:35:42.220 --> 04:35:43.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the government is focusing asr-003698 04:35:43.680 --> 04:35:46.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on quality spending. asr-003699 04:35:46.560 --> 04:35:48.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we're focusing on projects asr-003700 04:35:48.360 --> 04:35:50.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with high economic asr-003701 04:35:50.300 --> 04:35:51.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: multipliers. asr-003702 04:35:52.080 --> 04:35:53.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So even though we are asr-003703 04:35:53.840 --> 04:35:56.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: technically cutting down on asr-003704 04:35:56.100 --> 04:35:57.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: spending, we are, asr-003705 04:35:58.000 --> 04:36:00.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: making sure that those asr-003706 04:36:00.000 --> 04:36:03.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: expenditure items are of high quality asr-003707 04:36:03.000 --> 04:36:05.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and have high economic multipliers. asr-003708 04:36:05.000 --> 04:36:06.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you, asr-003709 04:36:06.000 --> 04:36:08.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor. asr-003710 04:36:08.000 --> 04:36:09.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Again, my follow-up question. asr-003711 04:36:09.000 --> 04:36:12.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: If expenditure cuts asr-003712 04:36:12.000 --> 04:36:14.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: cannot be the sole answer, asr-003713 04:36:14.000 --> 04:36:16.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: what then should be the way forward asr-003714 04:36:16.000 --> 04:36:20.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: for the fiscal year 2027 budget? asr-003715 04:36:40.220 --> 04:36:45.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, for 2027, asr-003716 04:36:45.000 --> 04:36:48.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it is still a budget that is a product asr-003717 04:36:48.000 --> 04:36:50.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of fiscal consolidation. asr-003718 04:36:50.000 --> 04:36:52.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The goal is to focus, asr-003719 04:36:52.000 --> 04:36:55.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as I mentioned, on quality spending asr-003720 04:36:55.000 --> 04:36:57.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in order to accelerate growth. asr-003721 04:36:57.000 --> 04:36:59.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And for it to facilitate asr-003722 04:36:59.000 --> 04:37:01.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: economic recovery, asr-003723 04:37:01.000 --> 04:37:03.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: given the previous shocks asr-003724 04:37:03.000 --> 04:37:05.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were experienced by our economy asr-003725 04:37:05.000 --> 04:37:07.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the past asr-003726 04:37:07.000 --> 04:37:09.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: quarters. asr-003727 04:37:09.000 --> 04:37:11.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Okay, how about those asr-003728 04:37:11.000 --> 04:37:13.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: tax revenue natin? asr-003729 04:37:13.000 --> 04:37:15.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Will they have to streamline it? asr-003730 04:37:15.000 --> 04:37:17.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Kasi meraming inefficient tax asr-003731 04:37:17.000 --> 04:37:19.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: expenditures tayo eh. Is it asr-003732 04:37:19.000 --> 04:37:21.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: possible na isama asr-003733 04:37:21.000 --> 04:37:23.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: natin sila yung revenue asr-003734 04:37:23.000 --> 04:37:25.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: mobilization natin para asr-003735 04:37:25.000 --> 04:37:26.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: maging mas effective? asr-003736 04:37:26.000 --> 04:37:28.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: At magiging ano tayo, asr-003737 04:37:28.000 --> 04:37:30.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: kumbaga magiging competitive tayo? asr-003738 04:37:30.000 --> 04:37:32.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Kasi right now, asr-003739 04:37:32.000 --> 04:37:34.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: yung deficiency natin masyado na malaki. asr-003740 04:37:34.000 --> 04:37:36.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Remember, almost 5 trillion asr-003741 04:37:36.000 --> 04:37:38.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: compared to 7.2 trillion. asr-003742 04:37:38.000 --> 04:37:40.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So medyo malaki ang ating asr-003743 04:37:40.000 --> 04:37:42.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: deficit ngayon. asr-003744 04:37:42.000 --> 04:37:44.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Kung gaganda ang ating collection, asr-003745 04:37:44.000 --> 04:37:46.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: at least, no, asr-003746 04:37:46.000 --> 04:37:48.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: 1 trillion a year o 1.5 trillion asr-003747 04:37:48.000 --> 04:37:50.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: na borrowings natin, asr-003748 04:37:50.000 --> 04:37:52.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: deficit siguro ay maganda. asr-003749 04:37:52.000 --> 04:37:54.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So, asr-003750 04:37:54.000 --> 04:37:56.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is there any asr-003751 04:37:56.000 --> 04:37:58.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: future actions asr-003752 04:37:58.000 --> 04:38:00.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: na pabain natin ng ating asr-003753 04:38:00.000 --> 04:38:02.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: deficit by streamlining asr-003754 04:38:02.000 --> 04:38:04.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: yung ating mga collection? asr-003756 04:38:40.000 --> 04:38:42.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mister Speaker, asr-003757 04:38:42.000 --> 04:38:44.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague, asr-003758 04:38:44.000 --> 04:38:46.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we compare our revenue effort asr-003759 04:38:46.000 --> 04:38:48.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of asr-003760 04:38:48.000 --> 04:38:50.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: benchmarking it with asr-003761 04:38:50.000 --> 04:38:52.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: peer countries, asr-003762 04:38:52.000 --> 04:38:59.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: currently at 16.6 percent in the first half of 2026 and we are doing better than several of our asr-003763 04:39:00.400 --> 04:39:06.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: peer countries for example malaysia is at 15.7 percent thailand at 15.6 percent in indonesia at asr-003764 04:39:06.960 --> 04:39:15.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 11.5 percent so in terms of revenue effort our our country is doing well um and the dof is saying asr-003765 04:39:15.280 --> 04:39:24.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that they are also implementing um programs uh uh in order to uh optimize the non-tax revenues asr-003766 04:39:24.640 --> 04:39:32.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so um they are trying to maximize our revenues sure we are at par with our neighboring countries asr-003767 04:39:33.440 --> 04:39:38.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um actually we're doing even better um than than several of our peer countries although asr-003768 04:39:38.720 --> 04:39:44.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: singapore and vietnam are ahead in terms of our revenue efforts but we're we're doing well asr-003769 04:39:45.280 --> 04:39:52.640 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: compared to our peer countries thank you speaker thank you uh uh sponsor my next question asr-003770 04:39:53.760 --> 04:40:01.840 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the fiscal year 2027 this is about social services budget increases overall by six percent yet the asr-003771 04:40:01.840 --> 04:40:12.800 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: social services sector climbs by 5.5 or 143.7 billion the reductions include health education asr-003772 04:40:13.360 --> 04:40:15.200 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: and manpower development and asr-003773 04:40:15.280 --> 04:40:23.840 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: social security welfare and employment meanwhile economic services increases by 17.8 percent asr-003774 04:40:24.560 --> 04:40:25.760 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is this figure correct asr-003775 04:40:32.280 --> 04:40:35.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Mr. Speaker, if we compare GAA to NEP, opo, bumaba po yung asr-003776 04:40:35.960 --> 04:40:39.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: specifically because of the capital outlay components po. asr-003777 04:40:39.440 --> 04:40:43.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Malaki po kasi yung ating naibigay sa parte po ng Kamara asr-003778 04:40:43.360 --> 04:40:53.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: during the BARC deliberations. But based on the utilization rates po, asr-003779 04:40:53.200 --> 04:40:58.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for example, for BEF, for HFEP, and for farm-to-market roads, asr-003780 04:40:58.040 --> 04:41:03.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: medyo mababa po yung utilization rate. So on the part of the executive, asr-003781 04:41:03.280 --> 04:41:10.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: binaba po ulit nila, back to previous NEP levels as compared to GAA. asr-003782 04:41:10.080 --> 04:41:12.880 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: just for the allocation is that the justification asr-003783 04:41:12.880 --> 04:41:13.760 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: just for the allocation? Is that the justification natin, yan ba iyon? asr-003784 04:41:15.360 --> 04:41:22.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Sa parte po ng executive, iyon po yung justification nila. But again, on the part of the House, asr-003785 04:41:22.240 --> 04:41:29.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we will endeavor to recalibrate the funding levels for these asr-003786 04:41:29.040 --> 04:41:31.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: critical programs. asr-003787 04:41:31.200 --> 04:41:35.080 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: About the privatization proceeds, asr-003789 04:41:35.080 --> 04:41:39.520 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor, the fiscal year 2027 revenue program asr-003790 04:41:39.520 --> 04:41:41.320 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: includes approximately asr-003791 04:41:41.320 --> 04:41:43.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: binanggit mo kanina, asr-003792 04:41:43.000 --> 04:41:46.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: P101.5 billion in privatization proceeds. asr-003793 04:41:46.420 --> 04:41:54.060 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Yet, this target was originally contemplated for an earlier budget and has already been deferred twice. asr-003794 04:41:54.800 --> 04:41:59.300 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: If our information is accurate, tama mo ba ito? asr-003795 04:42:00.600 --> 04:42:03.180 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: The other income natin, privatization? asr-003796 04:42:03.180 --> 04:42:14.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, actually po, this representation actually asked about that during the DBCC hearing asr-003797 04:42:14.740 --> 04:42:25.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the 101 billion is a lot higher than their previous projections in terms of the privatization revenues. asr-003798 04:42:26.000 --> 04:42:32.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Dati po, the highest was I think at 35 billion and for 2027, they projected at 101 billion. asr-003799 04:42:32.480 --> 04:42:37.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, ang sagot po ni SECDEC nung tinanong ko po yun, asr-003800 04:42:38.120 --> 04:42:47.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: they have several privatization projects in the pipeline that would, we'll give the example. asr-003801 04:42:48.380 --> 04:42:55.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We can mention several po of these privatization projects in the pipeline. asr-003802 04:42:55.060 --> 04:43:03.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there's the Mile Long asset, FTI, SLEX shares, and Semirara shares. asr-003804 04:43:03.660 --> 04:43:07.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Totaling 60 billion among others. asr-003805 04:43:07.680 --> 04:43:12.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun po yung projected nila na privatization revenues for 2027. asr-003806 04:43:13.500 --> 04:43:16.100 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor. asr-003807 04:43:16.780 --> 04:43:25.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Ultimately, the challenge is not simply to reduce the deficit or keep that below a particular numerical threshold. asr-003808 04:43:25.220 --> 04:43:33.120 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: It is to place our debt on a path toward stabilization and eventual decline without sacrificing asr-003812 04:43:33.120 --> 04:43:47.200 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the economic growth that makes that objective possible. So the goal is not simply to spend less today, but to build a stronger economy that can generate more revenues. asr-003813 04:43:47.200 --> 04:44:14.040 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: In crafting that 2027 budget, we must make targeted investment in the foundations of economic growth, reliable and affordable energy, better infrastructure, human capital education, support for productive industries, MSMEs, faster and more predictable government processes, asr-003814 04:44:14.040 --> 04:44:17.180 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: and an environment that attracts both domestic and international demand. asr-003815 04:44:17.200 --> 04:44:33.460 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: And of course, this is on top of efforts improving the efficiency of public spending, so that every peso of government expenditure contributes as much as possible productivity and job creation. asr-003816 04:44:34.180 --> 04:44:37.920 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: That is the balance we should pursue as we move forward with this debate. asr-003817 04:44:38.860 --> 04:44:43.760 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Those are all my questions, Mr. Speaker and Madam Sponsor. Thank you for the opportunity. asr-003818 04:44:43.760 --> 04:44:47.000 Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you very much. asr-003819 04:44:47.200 --> 04:44:50.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, thank you very much to our distinguished colleague, the Honorable Presley De Jesus. asr-003820 04:44:51.100 --> 04:44:53.420 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Thank you, the Honorable De Jesus. Majority Leader. asr-003821 04:44:53.760 --> 04:44:59.640 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mr. Speaker, next to interpellate, I move to recognize the Honorable Sergio Dagooc of APEC Party-list. asr-003822 04:45:00.000 --> 04:45:05.000 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Honorable Sergio Dagooc of APEC Party-list is recognized. Please proceed. asr-003823 04:45:05.820 --> 04:45:09.340 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Majority Leader. asr-003824 04:45:11.300 --> 04:45:18.660 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang paborito bang Sir ay pwedeng matanong ng ilang katanungan? asr-003825 04:45:18.760 --> 04:45:21.000 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Hindi kita pahirapan kasi... asr-003826 04:45:22.320 --> 04:45:24.460 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Buti lang nakaupo si Sir, no? asr-003827 04:45:24.460 --> 04:45:31.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, of course, Mr. Speaker. I would be honored to field questions from the Honorable Sergio Dagooc. asr-003828 04:45:31.820 --> 04:45:37.680 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: The distinguished sponsor is aware of what sector I am representing. asr-003829 04:45:38.580 --> 04:45:50.540 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, hindi ko na po ulitin yung mga natanong na kanina kung saan nang gagaling yung ating mga revenue na ipupundo dito kasama na ako yung mga utang. asr-003830 04:45:50.540 --> 04:45:53.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: For the interest of the public, asr-003831 04:45:54.460 --> 04:45:58.420 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kailangan kasi very important yung issue ng kuryente. asr-003832 04:45:59.720 --> 04:46:04.180 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kaya kailangan kong mag-Tagalog kahit hirap ako dahil bisaya ako. asr-003833 04:46:04.940 --> 04:46:08.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, during the budget briefing, asr-003834 04:46:09.840 --> 04:46:12.120 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: inami naman po ng DipDip mismo, asr-003835 04:46:13.100 --> 04:46:20.560 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: napakahalaga po ng kuryente sa ating pambansang ekonomiya. asr-003836 04:46:21.820 --> 04:46:23.200 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, ngayon, asr-003837 04:46:24.460 --> 04:46:28.080 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pinanggalingan po ng ating revenue, asr-003838 04:46:28.660 --> 04:46:30.340 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: which includes privatization. asr-003839 04:46:30.600 --> 04:46:34.260 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tama po ba, Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor? asr-003840 04:46:35.840 --> 04:46:37.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po yun, Mr. Speaker. asr-003841 04:46:38.240 --> 04:46:44.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There's a projected privatization revenue of P101 billion for 2027. asr-003842 04:46:45.580 --> 04:46:47.940 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, doon po ako mag-focus. asr-003843 04:46:48.500 --> 04:46:50.320 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yan po yung unang issue ko. asr-003844 04:46:52.620 --> 04:46:53.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasama po ba, asr-003845 04:46:54.460 --> 04:46:55.360 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker, asr-003846 04:46:55.880 --> 04:46:57.560 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Distinguished Sponsor, asr-003847 04:46:58.420 --> 04:47:00.520 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung privatization natin sa asr-003848 04:47:00.520 --> 04:47:03.500 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung nalalabi pang mga asit, asr-003849 04:47:03.720 --> 04:47:05.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: lalong-lalo na ikaw, no? asr-003850 04:47:05.460 --> 04:47:08.220 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: From Sultan Kudarat, yung ano mo. asr-003851 04:47:08.220 --> 04:47:11.240 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, yung Agus and Pulangi po, asr-003852 04:47:11.640 --> 04:47:17.860 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na natitirang energy asit ng ating pamahalaan, asr-003853 04:47:18.580 --> 04:47:21.060 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ay ang pagkakaalam ko, asr-003854 04:47:22.180 --> 04:47:23.700 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: inumpisahan na po nating, asr-003855 04:47:24.460 --> 04:47:28.580 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: tumanggap ng unsolicited proposal. asr-003856 04:47:29.640 --> 04:47:31.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tama po ba, Mr. Speaker? asr-003857 04:47:38.600 --> 04:47:39.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Although, alam ko, asr-003858 04:47:40.200 --> 04:47:41.740 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: itatanong ko din to sa PISAM, asr-003859 04:47:41.900 --> 04:47:46.720 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pero sa general provision kasi kasama yung privatization. asr-003860 04:47:47.840 --> 04:47:49.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, yes, we can confirm. asr-003861 04:47:49.980 --> 04:47:53.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung nabanggit po na project na ating distinguished colleague, asr-003862 04:47:53.820 --> 04:47:54.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meron pong asr-003863 04:47:54.220 --> 04:48:00.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kumukuha po ng unsolicited proposals sa kasinukuyan. asr-003864 04:48:02.120 --> 04:48:06.360 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-003865 04:48:07.300 --> 04:48:11.220 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: hindi po ba natalakay sa LIDAC? asr-003866 04:48:12.560 --> 04:48:17.540 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Although, baka mag-poll na ito sa tanong ko sa DIPDIB, asr-003867 04:48:17.760 --> 04:48:22.380 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pero kasama kasi siya sa revenue na pinanggalingan. asr-003868 04:48:22.380 --> 04:48:23.900 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, napakahalaga po, asr-003869 04:48:23.900 --> 04:48:51.620 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ng mga asset na 'yan. At sa LEDAC dapat napag-usapan ang nangyari. Bakit ganito kataas ang ating kuryente? At bakit nagmamakaawa tayo sa private sector kung kailan sila magtayo ng planta, saan nila itayo, at magkano yung presyo, kasi deregulated siya? So ito na lang yung natitira nating kapiranggot na asset within our control, asr-003870 04:48:51.620 --> 04:48:53.580 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: revenue generating, asr-003872 04:48:54.400 --> 04:48:59.480 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: instead na in relisyon sa mga katanungan kanina ng aking mga kasamahan, asr-003873 04:49:00.020 --> 04:49:03.120 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: namumutang tayo ng trilyon. asr-003874 04:49:04.440 --> 04:49:05.960 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tinanong ng mga kasamahan ko, asr-003875 04:49:06.140 --> 04:49:06.920 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: saan ba napunta? asr-003876 04:49:07.840 --> 04:49:12.260 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Anong pakinabang ng mga taxpayers na nagbabayad ng mga otang na yon? asr-003877 04:49:13.260 --> 04:49:16.900 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Dito, tumanggap tayo ng unsolicited proposal asr-003878 04:49:16.900 --> 04:49:21.740 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: para i-rehabilitate ang kaisa-isang jewel ng Mindanao, asr-003879 04:49:21.740 --> 04:49:22.740 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Agos Anpulangi, asr-003880 04:49:23.900 --> 04:49:28.580 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na humihila pababa sa presyo ng kurinti sa Mindanao asr-003881 04:49:28.580 --> 04:49:31.520 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: to be competitive from Luzon and Visayas, asr-003882 04:49:32.040 --> 04:49:35.220 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na ngayon ay nagiging 19 pesos na, asr-003883 04:49:35.640 --> 04:49:37.040 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: tas ibinta pa natin. asr-003884 04:49:38.180 --> 04:49:44.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, saan ba nanggaling yung hugot ng ating economic managers sa LIDAC? asr-003885 04:49:45.600 --> 04:49:48.820 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Bakit pinayaga nila at hindi sila nakapag-advise asr-003886 04:49:48.820 --> 04:49:52.820 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na huwag nang isama yung mga asit na revenue generating asr-003887 04:49:53.900 --> 04:49:56.400 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: at mga mga businessbook na ito? asr-003888 04:49:56.780 --> 04:50:15.360 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Instead, mangutang tayo. Napakaliit, no? Mangutang tayo ng trilyon; ang kinakailangan sa Agus and Pulangi, bilyon lang na rehabilitation. After ma-rehabilitate, we solve the power [unclear], we reduce the cost of electricity, pati na yung Visayas kasi nag-i-import na si Mindanao ngayon ng asr-003889 04:50:15.360 --> 04:50:17.940 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kuryente sa Visayas with the interconnection of Visayas and Mindanao. asr-003890 04:50:17.940 --> 04:50:24.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tapos, nakinabang pa tayo sa employment. asr-003894 04:50:25.240 --> 04:50:27.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: isang asit lang ang tinutukoy ko. asr-003895 04:50:27.780 --> 04:50:28.700 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ah, kandi asr-003896 04:50:28.700 --> 04:50:31.300 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: economic managers asr-003897 04:50:31.300 --> 04:50:33.360 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: naman, pansinin naman ninyo asr-003898 04:50:33.360 --> 04:50:35.820 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung mga pagagandang asr-003899 04:50:35.820 --> 04:50:37.540 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: rekomendasyon asr-003900 04:50:37.540 --> 04:50:39.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: galing sa mga membro ng asr-003901 04:50:39.100 --> 04:50:41.300 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kongreso, lalong-lalong asr-003902 04:50:41.300 --> 04:50:43.480 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na po sa kinatawang asr-003903 04:50:43.480 --> 04:50:45.180 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ito, na talagang asr-003904 04:50:45.180 --> 04:50:47.400 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: alam ko kung saan po punta. asr-003905 04:50:50.280 --> 04:50:51.200 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Madam Sponsor, asr-003906 04:50:51.200 --> 04:50:53.000 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker, sana ay asr-003907 04:50:53.000 --> 04:50:55.000 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: i-evaluate asr-003908 04:50:55.000 --> 04:50:56.700 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ng ating lidak, asr-003909 04:50:57.320 --> 04:50:59.040 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: lalong-lalo na sa dip-dip asr-003910 04:50:59.040 --> 04:51:00.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung mga nangyari asr-003911 04:51:00.780 --> 04:51:02.880 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: sa planta asr-003912 04:51:02.880 --> 04:51:05.420 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na na-privatize asr-003913 04:51:05.420 --> 04:51:07.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: natin. Deutermal natin asr-003914 04:51:07.280 --> 04:51:08.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: sa liti, magkano na asr-003915 04:51:08.980 --> 04:51:10.960 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ang presyo ngayon asr-003916 04:51:10.960 --> 04:51:11.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ng kurinte sa liti? asr-003917 04:51:12.640 --> 04:51:15.160 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 25 pesos may deutermal? asr-003918 04:51:15.640 --> 04:51:17.160 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 18 pesos may deutermal? asr-003919 04:51:17.700 --> 04:51:18.420 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Magkano na asr-003920 04:51:18.420 --> 04:51:20.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nung hindi pa asr-003921 04:51:20.280 --> 04:51:21.000 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nabinta yan? asr-003922 04:51:21.200 --> 04:51:22.520 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Only asr-003923 04:51:22.520 --> 04:51:25.520 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 4 pesos. asr-003924 04:51:26.460 --> 04:51:27.540 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung Agus asr-003925 04:51:27.540 --> 04:51:29.180 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: at Pulangi ngayon sa Mindanao, asr-003926 04:51:29.620 --> 04:51:30.900 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 2 pesos ang 85. asr-003927 04:51:31.500 --> 04:51:33.400 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pag na-privatize na naman yan, asr-003928 04:51:34.460 --> 04:51:35.060 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kahit asr-003929 04:51:35.060 --> 04:51:37.200 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung kanyang asr-003930 04:51:37.200 --> 04:51:39.320 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: rehabilitation lang, times asr-003931 04:51:39.320 --> 04:51:41.360 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 3 na naman yan. Kaliraya, asr-003932 04:51:42.700 --> 04:51:43.160 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: evaluate asr-003933 04:51:43.160 --> 04:51:45.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kung anong nangyayari asr-003934 04:51:45.100 --> 04:51:47.400 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: after naibinta natin yung kaliraya, asr-003935 04:51:47.800 --> 04:51:48.580 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano lang? asr-003936 04:51:49.040 --> 04:51:50.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 40 billion yata, asr-003937 04:51:50.640 --> 04:51:51.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 39 billion. asr-003938 04:51:52.420 --> 04:51:53.860 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero ang balik sa atin, asr-003939 04:51:54.420 --> 04:51:55.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: wala na sa atin yung control. asr-003940 04:51:56.600 --> 04:51:58.460 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Hindi na nga natin masilip kung totoo asr-003941 04:51:58.460 --> 04:51:59.940 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: bang nasira yung mga planta asr-003942 04:51:59.940 --> 04:52:01.700 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: dahil privately owned na. asr-003943 04:52:02.360 --> 04:52:03.520 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, I hope, no? asr-003944 04:52:05.220 --> 04:52:06.380 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker, asr-003945 04:52:06.840 --> 04:52:08.180 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Madam Sponsor, asr-003946 04:52:09.600 --> 04:52:12.720 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ako naman po ay papayag asr-003947 04:52:12.720 --> 04:52:14.480 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na hindi na ninyo asr-003948 04:52:14.480 --> 04:52:15.040 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: sagutin. asr-003949 04:52:16.700 --> 04:52:18.440 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang gusto ko lang marinig asr-003950 04:52:18.440 --> 04:52:20.620 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: sa ating mga economic manager, asr-003951 04:52:20.640 --> 04:52:22.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: can you take a look asr-003952 04:52:22.760 --> 04:52:24.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: of what I am recommending? asr-003953 04:52:25.960 --> 04:52:26.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kindly review asr-003954 04:52:27.160 --> 04:52:28.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung presyo ng mga asr-003955 04:52:28.780 --> 04:52:30.560 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: planta na tinutukoy ko asr-003956 04:52:30.560 --> 04:52:32.900 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: as some of the examples, asr-003957 04:52:33.500 --> 04:52:34.740 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano yung asr-003958 04:52:34.740 --> 04:52:35.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: rate niya, asr-003959 04:52:36.620 --> 04:52:38.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: energy, yung generation asr-003960 04:52:38.840 --> 04:52:40.960 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: cost bago na i-privatize, asr-003961 04:52:41.280 --> 04:52:42.300 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano na ngayon asr-003962 04:52:42.300 --> 04:52:43.740 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na na-privatize na? asr-003963 04:52:44.360 --> 04:52:46.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Then, kindly take a look asr-003964 04:52:46.980 --> 04:52:49.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano yung asr-003965 04:52:49.100 --> 04:52:50.420 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ginastos niya? asr-003966 04:52:50.420 --> 04:52:51.920 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ginastos ni private asr-003967 04:52:51.920 --> 04:52:52.680 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ticker asr-003968 04:52:52.680 --> 04:52:56.940 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: at i-add mo yung asr-003969 04:52:56.940 --> 04:52:59.460 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: binayad niya sa goberno asr-003970 04:52:59.460 --> 04:53:03.540 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: to acquire asr-003971 04:53:03.540 --> 04:53:05.340 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: the facility asr-003972 04:53:05.340 --> 04:53:07.200 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: to acquire the asset asr-003973 04:53:07.200 --> 04:53:08.720 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: of napokor asr-003974 04:53:08.720 --> 04:53:11.060 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pag i-add mo yan asr-003975 04:53:11.060 --> 04:53:12.400 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ilang buwan lang asr-003976 04:53:12.400 --> 04:53:14.300 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: or taon niya mababawi. asr-003977 04:53:14.880 --> 04:53:16.460 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kaysa tayo ang nangutang asr-003978 04:53:16.460 --> 04:53:18.940 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na gastusan yung planta na yan asr-003979 04:53:18.940 --> 04:53:19.500 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na marihab, asr-003980 04:53:19.500 --> 04:53:21.720 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: we own the power plant asr-003981 04:53:21.720 --> 04:53:24.500 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: baka ang isasagot asr-003982 04:53:24.500 --> 04:53:25.260 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na naman ninyo asr-003983 04:53:25.260 --> 04:53:27.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nasa EPIRA kasi naibenta. asr-003984 04:53:28.440 --> 04:53:29.540 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Why did you not recommend asr-003985 04:53:29.540 --> 04:53:31.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na we will asr-003986 04:53:31.280 --> 04:53:33.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: we will asr-003987 04:53:33.280 --> 04:53:36.320 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: amend Section 47 of EPIRA asr-003988 04:53:36.320 --> 04:53:38.140 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na hindi naibinta asr-003989 04:53:38.140 --> 04:53:39.200 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung mga planta na yan? asr-003990 04:53:39.860 --> 04:53:42.020 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Na mga planta na yan na hindi pa asr-003991 04:53:42.020 --> 04:53:43.900 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na-dispose should be excluded asr-003992 04:53:43.900 --> 04:53:45.220 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: from privatization asr-003993 04:53:45.220 --> 04:53:48.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kasi may experience na tayo doon sa naunang asr-003994 04:53:48.100 --> 04:53:49.340 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nabinta na nagtagal asr-003995 04:53:49.500 --> 04:53:50.220 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: times 2, asr-003996 04:53:50.220 --> 04:53:51.260 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nag times 3 asr-003997 04:53:51.260 --> 04:53:52.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung balik sa atin. asr-003998 04:53:52.840 --> 04:53:56.360 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kandi economic managers asr-003999 04:53:56.360 --> 04:53:58.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: assured this representation asr-004000 04:53:58.280 --> 04:54:00.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: that you will look into that. asr-004002 04:54:32.020 --> 04:54:33.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker asr-004003 04:54:33.000 --> 04:54:33.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague asr-004004 04:54:33.940 --> 04:54:35.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I was talking po to asr-004005 04:54:35.500 --> 04:54:37.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Secretary Balisacan asr-004006 04:54:37.660 --> 04:54:39.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the evaluation po asr-004007 04:54:39.660 --> 04:54:42.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with regard to privatization initiatives asr-004008 04:54:42.500 --> 04:54:44.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is handled by the ICC asr-004009 04:54:44.500 --> 04:54:46.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the membership of the ICC asr-004010 04:54:46.280 --> 04:54:48.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is mostly po yung economic managers asr-004011 04:54:48.260 --> 04:54:49.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: din naman po natin. asr-004012 04:54:49.340 --> 04:55:01.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So I spoke to them po and they commit po that whichever projects po yung nabanggit na ating distinguished colleague po for evaluation, they will take a look at it po. asr-004013 04:55:01.720 --> 04:55:09.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So not just a value for money analysis on the part of the government, but also a bigger financial analysis. asr-004014 04:55:09.800 --> 04:55:21.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo sa totoo po nakakabahala po yung binanggit na ating distinguished colleague na may mga pagkakataon po na pagkatapos i-privatize yung isang power plant, mas tumataas yung power rate. asr-004015 04:55:21.660 --> 04:55:24.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang naapektuhan po yung ating mga consumers. asr-004016 04:55:24.620 --> 04:55:35.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So if we may request po our distinguished colleague for a list of the particular projects that you would like for the ICC to look into for evaluation, asr-004017 04:55:37.240 --> 04:55:39.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: magiging masaya po yung ICC na test. asr-004018 04:55:39.800 --> 04:55:41.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tignan po yung mga proyekto na babanggitin. asr-004019 04:55:42.040 --> 04:55:43.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we'll wait for the list po. asr-004020 04:55:43.920 --> 04:55:48.380 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Binanggit ko na po, ang natitira na lang natin ngayon ay Agus and Pulangi. asr-004021 04:55:48.380 --> 04:55:59.920 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang tinutukoy ko po, Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, na i-review yung na-privatize na magkano yung natanggap natin acquisition cost, asr-004022 04:56:00.480 --> 04:56:09.080 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano yung ginastos lang nila na na-rehabilitate din yung binta nila ngayon per kilowatt hour, asr-004023 04:56:09.460 --> 04:56:09.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pakikita. asr-004024 04:56:09.800 --> 04:56:12.540 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pakikita ninyo, napakabilis nilang mabawi yun. asr-004025 04:56:12.880 --> 04:56:17.400 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: What if tayo na lang ang nangutang, tayo na lang ang nag-rehab, asr-004026 04:56:18.460 --> 04:56:23.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kontrolado pa natin yung presyo, hindi masasaktan yung ating mga taong bayan. asr-004027 04:56:24.940 --> 04:56:28.000 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yan yung punto na pinaparating ko dito, Mr. Speaker. asr-004028 04:56:31.180 --> 04:56:39.620 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Hindi po yung ilang planta lang, kundi lahat po ng planta na ibinta natin, sure, asr-004029 04:56:39.800 --> 04:56:48.220 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: times to ang nagiging presyo na niya under the hands of the private sector. asr-004030 04:56:50.080 --> 04:56:58.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If we may, Mr. Speaker, our distinguished colleague, if we can also get the list of even those that have been privatized previously na po, asr-004031 04:56:58.520 --> 04:57:01.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para po ma-evaluate din po ng ating economic managers. asr-004032 04:57:01.720 --> 04:57:07.920 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung termal natin sa liti, yung latest, at saka yung kaliraya natin, yan yung mga latest. asr-004033 04:57:08.680 --> 04:57:09.720 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi tinitimula. asr-004034 04:57:09.800 --> 04:57:14.000 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tingnan ko yung presyo, umiiyak yung mga taga-liti natin. asr-004035 04:57:14.160 --> 04:57:19.620 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ayaw ko mangyari yung loha ng taga-liti na mangyari sa magiging loha ng Mindanao. asr-004036 04:57:20.200 --> 04:57:24.180 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Iba po ang kultura sa Mindanao, lalong-lalo na sa Agos. asr-004037 04:57:24.680 --> 04:57:26.500 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Iba po yung kultura ng liti. asr-004038 04:57:26.500 --> 04:57:33.500 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Alam na siguro ng distinguished sponsor, yung punto na gusto kong iparating. asr-004039 04:57:35.000 --> 04:57:39.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kung magkaroon ng privatization, kahit lang asr-004040 04:57:39.800 --> 04:57:43.920 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kung sa rehabilitasyon at control ang operasyon ng Agos, asr-004041 04:57:45.600 --> 04:57:51.820 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: siguro, hindi matindi yung issue sa Pulangi, nasa bukid nun yun. asr-004042 04:57:52.500 --> 04:57:56.660 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero I don't know pagdating sa Agos, I don't know. asr-004043 04:57:57.040 --> 04:57:58.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi magkaiba talaga. asr-004044 04:57:58.100 --> 04:58:07.500 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, ang susunod ko pong katanungan, Mr. Speaker, distinguished sponsor, asr-004045 04:58:09.800 --> 04:58:14.500 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ito po punta sa ating 2027 budget. asr-004046 04:58:17.800 --> 04:58:20.800 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Balikan ko po sandali yung 2026. asr-004047 04:58:23.800 --> 04:58:31.800 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tinalakay na natin yung 2027, pero kaya po ba nating punduhan yung 2026 natin na budget? asr-004048 04:58:32.300 --> 04:58:37.300 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung ga-an natin sa 2026, kaya po ba nating punduhan lahat yun? asr-004049 04:58:39.800 --> 04:58:44.800 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, ang susunod ko pong katanungan, Mr. Speaker, asr-004050 04:58:44.800 --> 04:58:49.800 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: What I'm asking distinguished sponsor, Mr. Speaker, is that asr-004051 04:58:49.800 --> 04:58:57.800 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: before we discuss the current budget intended for 2027, asr-004052 04:58:57.800 --> 04:59:07.800 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: has the government the fiscal capacity to fully fund our 2026 general appropriations act? asr-004053 04:59:07.860 --> 04:59:09.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-004055 04:59:09.280 --> 04:59:21.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: With us, our National Treasurer, sorry to quote our National Treasurer, but she gives the assurance that we will be able to fund our 2026 budget. asr-004056 04:59:21.740 --> 04:59:29.160 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Okay, maganda naman pong ganoon pala, kaya naman pala natin. asr-004057 04:59:29.160 --> 04:59:41.460 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor, nakalimutan ko pa po yung isang nakapublish na yung Diliman property ng Napokor. asr-004058 04:59:41.460 --> 04:59:58.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang hindi ko rin maintindihan dyan, bakit ibinta natin, nandyan yung Napokor, nandyan nakaopisina yung Transco, ang ginawa, pinalipat si Napokor, nagririnta na lang ng 3.5 million a month. asr-004059 04:59:59.160 --> 04:59:59.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero mayroon naman. asr-004060 05:00:00.000 --> 05:00:06.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: silang opisina. So siguro isama na rin pong tingnan yan ng mga economic asr-004061 05:00:06.280 --> 05:00:13.340 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: managers natin. Although hindi po siya ganun kabigat doon sa pag-privatize asr-004062 05:00:13.340 --> 05:00:17.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ng isang planta. Kasi yung planta talaga nag-degenerate ka agad ng income asr-004063 05:00:17.640 --> 05:00:25.620 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yun. Tapos nag-contribute pa na mapababa yung cost of electricity natin. asr-004064 05:00:25.620 --> 05:00:31.240 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero isama rin 'yan sa privatization kasi naalala ko kasama yung asr-004065 05:00:31.240 --> 05:00:45.660 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: diliman property ng napokor. So for my next point, Mr. Speaker, since you asr-004066 05:00:45.660 --> 05:00:55.240 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: categorically answer na kaya naman po nating punduhan yung 2026 asr-004067 05:00:55.240 --> 05:01:06.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: budget natin or yung ga-a, in 2027, ito po ay people-centered. asr-004068 05:01:07.900 --> 05:01:19.680 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sabi nga ni Secretary Kim ng DBM, ang meaning nito: Dapat ang Budget Makatao. asr-004069 05:01:20.680 --> 05:01:24.940 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So tama naman po yun. I agree with him. So may we ask the asr-004070 05:01:25.240 --> 05:01:32.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: good sponsor to explain what objective or criteria, no, such as the asr-004071 05:01:32.760 --> 05:01:40.680 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Philippine Development Plan for 2023 to 2028, sectoral plans, no, that needs asr-004072 05:01:40.680 --> 05:01:46.400 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: assessments, feasibility study, and measurable outcomes. We're used to asr-004073 05:01:46.400 --> 05:01:53.940 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: classify projects and programs as priorities across economic, social, defense, asr-004074 05:01:53.940 --> 05:01:55.180 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: general public service. asr-004075 05:01:55.240 --> 05:02:23.340 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: We also need to consider the debt-burdened sectors. Natanong na po ito kanina. Medyo pasensya na po, Mr. Speaker, distinguished sponsor, medyo nakulangan ako doon sa sagot kasi I agree with Congressman Tinio na medyo may mga nilagyan tayo ng budget na asr-004076 05:02:23.340 --> 05:02:49.680 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Hindi naman totoong revenue generating yung contributor to economic growth na sana kung inuna natin yung ibang sektor na contributing to the economic growth, makikinabang din naman yung mga targeted subsidized sector. asr-004077 05:02:49.680 --> 05:03:17.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, amid very limited fiscal space, increasing borrowing costs and growing debt levels, kinailangan pong mag-prioritize ng DBM sapagkat P[unclear] trillion po yung kabuuang budget proposals na dumating po sa kanila. So they had to prioritize P7.2 trillion out of that. The criteria that they used po, they employed five criteria: asr-004078 05:03:17.820 --> 05:03:38.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: First is alignment with the Philippine Development Plan. Second is shovel readiness. Third is absorptive capacity. Fourth is fiscal space. And fifth po, prioritization of government programs that deliver the highest value and impact. So yun po yung limang kriteriya na ginamit po ng DBM. asr-004079 05:03:39.780 --> 05:03:46.440 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Maraming salamat po, Distinguished Sponsor. Pupunta po ako doon sa absorptive capacity. asr-004080 05:03:47.820 --> 05:04:03.340 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I totally agree na tama po yung kriteriya na yun. But I have a reservation, no? In reality, for example, may I cite the sitio electrification program of NEA. asr-004081 05:04:03.680 --> 05:04:16.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Alam naman po natin yung economic contribution pag na-electrify natin yung isang lugar. Aside na nabigyan natin ng ginhawa yung mga tao. asr-004082 05:04:17.820 --> 05:04:39.320 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Baka may mga negosyo. O hindi lang baka. In my experience, 43 years ako sa rural electrification, talagang umuunlad. Kaya nga yung mga barangay noon, nung nailawan na sa mga electric co-op yung area, nagiging munisipyo. Yung mga munisipyo nagiging city. Kaya malinaw po yung economic growth. asr-004083 05:04:39.320 --> 05:04:47.320 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero pag-i-measure natin yung absorptive capacity ng NEA, dahil lang hindi nagastos yung... asr-004084 05:04:47.820 --> 05:05:10.060 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mayroon po tayong hindi nakita na dahilan. Nire-release po yung pundo, third quarter. Pag-release mo ng third quarter, sa bidding process pa lang, kakainin na niya yung buong third quarter. asr-004085 05:05:10.500 --> 05:05:16.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pag-release ng DBM sa third quarter yan, mag-umpisa na yung project. asr-004086 05:05:17.820 --> 05:05:30.020 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Third quarter na, ay six months yung kailangan para ma-latag yung mga linya doon sa mga liblib na lugar. Ay talagang hindi niya ma-li-liquidate yun. Hindi ma-uubos. asr-004087 05:05:30.020 --> 05:05:47.700 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kaya kung titignan yan, ay hindi maganda yung absorptive capacity. Ang sinasabi ko po, ay tingnan yung mga gray area na yan. Kung i-release yan ng first quarter, I agree na kung 70 lang siya, 60 or less. asr-004088 05:05:47.820 --> 05:05:59.660 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: May problema siya sa absorptive capacity. Kasi we are talking here, doon sa example ko, of extending the lines to par-plunk and unviable areas na hindi po basta-basta. asr-004089 05:05:59.660 --> 05:06:01.660 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you. asr-004090 05:06:17.820 --> 05:06:30.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May malaki po tayong inilagay dyan sa Barsi noong 2026 budget po kasi nag-release po tayo ng, if I'm not mistaken, 2 billion sa sityo electrification program po within NEA. asr-004091 05:06:30.880 --> 05:06:37.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, iti-check lang po ng pamilya natin sa DBM yung absorptive capacity utilization rate po ng NEA. asr-004092 05:06:37.720 --> 05:06:47.220 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang tinutukoy ko lang, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, Distinguished Sponsor, ang ginawa ko lang example yung NEA. asr-004093 05:06:47.820 --> 05:06:58.580 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: But I know, there are a lot of government agencies na hindi on time na-release yung kanilang budget appropriation. asr-004094 05:06:58.580 --> 05:07:08.720 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kaya, yung kriteriya natin na measurement na absorptive capacity, mayroon akong reservation. asr-004095 05:07:09.440 --> 05:07:15.580 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi kung sasabi ko, third quarter muna i-release yan, tapos yung project nila, DICT halimbawa, asr-004096 05:07:15.580 --> 05:07:27.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: e, bibiding pa nila yung mga kawan, yung mga supplier, yung mga contractor, ay hindi talaga nila ma-liquidate yan at the end of the fiscal year. asr-004097 05:07:31.580 --> 05:07:35.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, magre-replic yan na mababa yung absorptive capacity nila. asr-004098 05:07:36.700 --> 05:07:42.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, upon conferring with DBM, yes, they recognize that. asr-004099 05:07:42.320 --> 05:07:45.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po, halimbawa, second quarter na. asr-004100 05:07:45.580 --> 05:07:56.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Or, paminsan third quarter na po nare-release yung SARO, talaga po natatamaan po yung utilization rate ng ahensya sa buong taon. asr-004101 05:07:56.520 --> 05:08:05.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, they will look into it po and make sure that instead of doing, siguro, a straight line assessment, asr-004102 05:08:05.660 --> 05:08:13.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: medyo baka pwedeng pro-rated yung approach para hindi naman po masaktan talaga yung utilization rate ng ahensya asr-004103 05:08:13.140 --> 05:08:15.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dahil late na-release yung SARO. asr-004104 05:08:15.580 --> 05:08:17.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, DBM will look into it po. asr-004105 05:08:17.960 --> 05:08:25.960 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I appreciate that. Sa lahat ng sekretary sa seven years ko dito, si Sekretary Kim lang ang umamin na titignan nila. asr-004106 05:08:26.560 --> 05:08:32.120 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Lahat may mga ibang dahilan. So, thank you, Sekretary Kim, na titignan ninyo. asr-004107 05:08:32.300 --> 05:08:41.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Lahat ng agency, ginawa ko lang example yung, ano, yung, actually, Mr. Speaker, may apat pa ako na issue. asr-004108 05:08:41.640 --> 05:08:44.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero, papahingayin ko muna yung... asr-004109 05:08:45.580 --> 05:08:51.920 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: favorite person ko. So, hindi ko na itatanong tong iba. Hindi ko na itatanong. asr-004110 05:08:52.040 --> 05:08:58.160 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you sa mga sagot, Sekretary Kim, Distinguished Sponsor. asr-004111 05:08:58.740 --> 05:09:04.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po to our distinguished colleague, Kong Sergio Dagooc. Thank you very much po. asr-004112 05:09:04.500 --> 05:09:07.100 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Thank you, the Honorable Dagooc. Majority Leader. asr-004113 05:09:09.180 --> 05:09:12.100 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable... asr-004114 05:09:12.100 --> 05:09:24.820 Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: Honorable Elijah San Fernando from Partylist Kamanggagawa to interplay it on the proposed budget on the debate on general principles and provisions. asr-004115 05:09:25.760 --> 05:09:32.120 Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Honorable Elijah San Fernando of Partylist Kamanggagawa is recognized. Please proceed. asr-004116 05:09:32.740 --> 05:09:38.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po, Mr. Speaker, at sa ating kagalang-galang na sponsor, Chairperson Mika. asr-004117 05:09:39.720 --> 05:09:40.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang una kong katanungan... asr-004118 05:09:42.100 --> 05:09:55.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, kinikilala po ng Estado ang fundamental na karapatan ng mga Pilipino sa impormasyon po yung People's Right to Information, asr-004119 05:09:55.320 --> 05:09:58.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Article 3, Section 7 of 1987 Constitution. asr-004120 05:09:59.740 --> 05:10:09.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And this simply means, Madam Sponsor, that transparency is paramount in all government proceedings, including the budget deliberations. asr-004121 05:10:09.980 --> 05:10:11.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now, Madam Sponsor, the... asr-004122 05:10:12.100 --> 05:10:17.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The general provisions contain six separate transparency sections. asr-004123 05:10:17.520 --> 05:10:38.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Can the sponsor point to a single provision in the HGAB or the 2027 NEP that gives an ordinary citizen or a duly accredited organization the right to be heard on record before an appropriation is finalized? asr-004124 05:10:39.580 --> 05:10:40.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-004125 05:10:42.100 --> 05:10:55.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Sponsor. asr-004126 05:10:56.380 --> 05:11:08.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, there are two stages where there is involvement, not in the GAAP, but the first stage would be during the budget call. asr-004127 05:11:08.740 --> 05:11:10.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So during the budget preparation stage... asr-004128 05:11:12.100 --> 05:11:21.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yun noong budget calendar ng DBM na meron pong consultation sa atin pong mga civil society organizations asr-004129 05:11:21.120 --> 05:11:24.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or kung sino po yung gusto mag-participate in the budget process. asr-004130 05:11:24.380 --> 05:11:40.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In the budget process, on that part po, there is section 54 which pertains to Philippine Open Government Partnership. asr-004131 05:11:40.180 --> 05:11:46.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, departments, bureaus, offices, and instrumentalities of the national government, etc., asr-004132 05:11:46.860 --> 05:11:53.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shall adopt the open government partnership values of transparency, accountability, and citizen participation. asr-004133 05:11:53.720 --> 05:11:57.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, doon po, nabanggit po yun, section 54. asr-004134 05:11:57.760 --> 05:12:05.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We also have it not during the budget deliberations in Congress because that is a legislative function. asr-004135 05:12:05.720 --> 05:12:10.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But while that's not in the GA itself or in the special... asr-004136 05:12:10.160 --> 05:12:15.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or general provisions, we've adopted that, we've institutionalized that. asr-004137 05:12:16.040 --> 05:12:22.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Within the House po, we've formed the task force for people's participation, we've done the people's budget review, asr-004138 05:12:22.980 --> 05:12:27.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are refining the engagement models with civil society organizations. asr-004139 05:12:28.120 --> 05:12:29.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, meron din pong ganong engagement. asr-004140 05:12:30.480 --> 05:12:38.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, when it comes to implementation, after the GA is passed, marami pong special provisions na nakakalat po sa iba't-ibang ahensya asr-004141 05:12:38.780 --> 05:12:39.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na nag... asr-004142 05:12:40.160 --> 05:12:44.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that allows people's audit for monitoring purposes. asr-004143 05:12:44.780 --> 05:12:50.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'm sure meron po under the special provision of the Department of Agriculture, for example, asr-004144 05:12:51.460 --> 05:12:57.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: wherein a people's audit is allowed for infrastructure and for up-to-market road projects. asr-004145 05:12:57.780 --> 05:13:01.420 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Mrs. Speaker, for pointing that out. asr-004146 05:13:01.420 --> 05:13:08.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na merong konsultasyon na nagaganap sa agency level bago po umakyat o pumasok dito sa Kongreso. asr-004147 05:13:09.020 --> 05:13:09.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero the civil society... asr-004148 05:13:10.160 --> 05:13:15.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the organizations would agree with me, and in fact, partner po natin, ang karamihan sa kanila, asr-004149 05:13:16.320 --> 05:13:20.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na kadalasan po, dito sa mga budget call ng mga ahensya ng gobyerno, asr-004150 05:13:21.240 --> 05:13:25.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi naman po talaga napaka-meaningful ng participation ng mga civil society organizations. asr-004151 05:13:26.720 --> 05:13:33.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: More often than not, nagiging stampad lang yung mga civil society organizations para lang masabi na merong participation. asr-004152 05:13:33.340 --> 05:13:40.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At maganda po na na-point out ng ating sponsor yung Section 54, which I will proceed to that later, Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-004153 05:13:40.160 --> 05:13:51.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maganda po, Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor, na binanggit ninyo na merong mga mekanismo tungkol sa transparency after the funds are already spent. asr-004154 05:13:51.240 --> 05:14:04.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In fact, if we are going to read together all the sections pertaining to transparency, lahat ito ay pumapatungkol kapag na-spent na o na-gasos na yung pondo. asr-004155 05:14:04.320 --> 05:14:09.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So walang mga probisyon na pumapatungkol doon sa participation ng mga organizations. asr-004156 05:14:10.160 --> 05:14:18.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Inari yung Pilipino o na mga people's organizations, civil society organizations, doon sa proseso ng pagbalangkas pa lang ng budget. asr-004157 05:14:18.720 --> 05:14:20.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Tama po ba ito, Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker? asr-004158 05:14:23.360 --> 05:14:27.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, yes, we recognize that point. asr-004159 05:14:27.860 --> 05:14:35.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, sa gaap po kasi, the special provisions there relate to budget implementation. asr-004160 05:14:36.240 --> 05:14:39.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That's why there are no general or special provisions. asr-004161 05:14:39.540 --> 05:14:45.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That pertain in the deliberation and the formulation of the budget itself. asr-004162 05:14:46.640 --> 05:14:55.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun po, kung titinan po natin, lahat po ng mga general provisions at special provisions na nakapaloob sa budget ay patungkol po sa budget implementation. asr-004163 05:14:55.620 --> 05:14:57.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker. asr-004164 05:14:57.880 --> 05:14:59.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nabanggit po ng sponsor. asr-004165 05:15:00.000 --> 05:15:01.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kanina, yung Section 54 ng asr-004166 05:15:01.700 --> 05:15:03.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: General Provisions po natin. asr-004167 05:15:04.440 --> 05:15:05.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And the government shall adopt asr-004168 05:15:05.960 --> 05:15:07.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the values of transparency, asr-004169 05:15:09.160 --> 05:15:09.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability, asr-004170 05:15:10.520 --> 05:15:11.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and citizens' participation. asr-004171 05:15:12.100 --> 05:15:13.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, asr-004172 05:15:13.980 --> 05:15:15.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: what is the operational definition asr-004173 05:15:15.680 --> 05:15:17.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of transparency, asr-004174 05:15:17.920 --> 05:15:19.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability, and citizens' asr-004175 05:15:20.020 --> 05:15:22.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation? Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker. asr-004176 05:15:30.000 --> 05:15:36.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, asr-004177 05:15:36.240 --> 05:15:38.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: given that the Philippine asr-004178 05:15:38.020 --> 05:15:40.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Open Government Partnership is under asr-004179 05:15:40.020 --> 05:15:41.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the purview of the DBM, asr-004180 05:15:42.260 --> 05:15:44.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so I've deferred to that on asr-004181 05:15:44.060 --> 05:15:44.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the query, asr-004182 05:15:45.560 --> 05:15:47.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we can cite the definitions asr-004183 05:15:47.900 --> 05:15:49.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as stated in the proposed asr-004184 05:15:49.940 --> 05:15:51.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Philippine Budgeting Code. This is asr-004185 05:15:51.860 --> 05:15:54.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: still currently a bill under deliberation, asr-004186 05:15:54.580 --> 05:15:55.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but using the asr-004187 05:15:55.680 --> 05:15:57.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: definitions here. asr-004188 05:15:58.220 --> 05:15:59.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So transparency means asr-004189 05:15:59.980 --> 05:16:02.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where the relevant asr-004190 05:16:02.180 --> 05:16:04.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: information at all stages asr-004191 05:16:04.020 --> 05:16:05.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the budget cycle is proactively asr-004192 05:16:05.700 --> 05:16:08.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: disclosed as may be practicable asr-004193 05:16:08.040 --> 05:16:10.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and where citizen participation is integral asr-004194 05:16:10.020 --> 05:16:11.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in all phases of the budget cycle asr-004195 05:16:11.640 --> 05:16:14.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to promote informed, equitable, and responsive asr-004196 05:16:14.180 --> 05:16:16.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocation and use of resources. asr-004197 05:16:17.720 --> 05:16:18.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Accountability asr-004198 05:16:18.320 --> 05:16:19.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is defined as asr-004199 05:16:19.980 --> 05:16:22.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where all heads of agencies asr-004200 05:16:22.180 --> 05:16:24.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and instrumentalities of the national government asr-004201 05:16:24.140 --> 05:16:25.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are held responsible for the proper use, asr-004202 05:16:26.080 --> 05:16:28.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: management, and safeguarding of government asr-004203 05:16:28.080 --> 05:16:29.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: funds and property asr-004204 05:16:29.120 --> 05:16:31.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pertaining to their institutions, asr-004205 05:16:31.980 --> 05:16:34.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ensuring that all actions and expenditures asr-004206 05:16:34.080 --> 05:16:36.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: comply with authorized appropriations, asr-004207 05:16:36.280 --> 05:16:37.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: laws, rules, and regulations. asr-004208 05:16:39.160 --> 05:16:40.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Citizen participation asr-004243 05:17:10.160 --> 05:17:11.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for asr-004244 05:17:11.460 --> 05:17:11.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: citizen asr-004245 05:17:11.940 --> 05:17:12.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: participation asr-004246 05:17:12.840 --> 05:17:13.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004247 05:17:13.560 --> 05:17:14.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: also asr-004248 05:17:14.040 --> 05:17:15.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the same asr-004249 05:17:15.040 --> 05:17:15.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: bill asr-004250 05:17:15.300 --> 05:17:15.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: section asr-004251 05:17:15.580 --> 05:17:16.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 27 asr-004252 05:17:16.140 --> 05:17:17.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the government asr-004253 05:17:17.020 --> 05:17:17.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shall establish asr-004254 05:17:17.680 --> 05:17:18.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and implement asr-004255 05:17:18.240 --> 05:17:18.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: suitable asr-004256 05:17:18.720 --> 05:17:19.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: participatory asr-004257 05:17:19.500 --> 05:17:19.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: budget asr-004258 05:17:19.860 --> 05:17:20.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mechanisms asr-004259 05:17:20.360 --> 05:17:20.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to ensure asr-004260 05:17:20.860 --> 05:17:21.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: open asr-004261 05:17:21.280 --> 05:17:22.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: inclusive asr-004262 05:17:22.060 --> 05:17:22.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transparent asr-004263 05:17:22.680 --> 05:17:23.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and meaningful asr-004264 05:17:23.260 --> 05:17:23.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: engagement asr-004265 05:17:23.700 --> 05:17:24.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of citizens asr-004266 05:17:24.360 --> 05:17:25.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and stakeholder asr-004267 05:17:25.280 --> 05:17:26.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: during the asr-004268 05:17:26.200 --> 05:17:26.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: budget asr-004269 05:17:26.420 --> 05:17:26.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: preparation asr-004270 05:17:26.940 --> 05:17:27.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: process asr-004271 05:17:27.440 --> 05:17:27.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so asr-004272 05:17:27.880 --> 05:17:28.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yun pa yung asr-004273 05:17:28.760 --> 05:17:29.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: technical asr-004274 05:17:29.080 --> 05:17:29.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: definitions asr-004275 05:17:29.760 --> 05:17:30.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004276 05:17:30.300 --> 05:17:30.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so far asr-004277 05:17:30.740 --> 05:17:31.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa draft asr-004278 05:17:31.680 --> 05:17:32.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pa lang po yun asr-004279 05:17:32.320 --> 05:17:32.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng Philippine asr-004280 05:17:32.780 --> 05:17:33.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Budgeting Code asr-004281 05:17:33.420 --> 05:17:34.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maraming salamat po asr-004282 05:17:34.960 --> 05:17:35.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pagbibigay asr-004283 05:17:35.740 --> 05:17:36.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng ilang mga asr-004284 05:17:36.460 --> 05:17:37.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: definisyon asr-004285 05:17:37.120 --> 05:17:37.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: tungkol po asr-004286 05:17:37.780 --> 05:17:38.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa transparency asr-004287 05:17:38.760 --> 05:17:39.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability asr-004288 05:17:39.960 --> 05:17:40.940 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at citizens asr-004289 05:17:40.940 --> 05:17:41.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation asr-004290 05:17:41.980 --> 05:17:42.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004291 05:17:42.720 --> 05:17:43.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004292 05:17:43.560 --> 05:17:44.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: would the sponsor asr-004293 05:17:44.200 --> 05:17:44.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: agree with me asr-004294 05:17:44.840 --> 05:17:45.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that asr-004295 05:17:45.120 --> 05:17:47.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: transparency asr-004296 05:17:47.000 --> 05:17:49.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is asr-004297 05:17:49.380 --> 05:17:50.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability asr-004298 05:17:50.220 --> 05:17:50.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and citizens asr-004299 05:17:50.980 --> 05:17:52.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation asr-004300 05:17:52.080 --> 05:17:53.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: are integral asr-004301 05:17:53.500 --> 05:17:54.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: components asr-004302 05:17:54.180 --> 05:17:55.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of transparency asr-004303 05:17:55.620 --> 05:17:56.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004304 05:17:56.520 --> 05:17:57.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004305 05:17:57.140 --> 05:17:58.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ibig sabihin po asr-004306 05:17:58.640 --> 05:17:59.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: transparency asr-004307 05:17:59.800 --> 05:18:00.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: cannot stand asr-004308 05:18:00.760 --> 05:18:02.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: without accountability asr-004309 05:18:02.480 --> 05:18:03.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and citizens asr-004310 05:18:03.660 --> 05:18:04.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation asr-004311 05:18:04.480 --> 05:18:05.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: especially when asr-004312 05:18:05.900 --> 05:18:06.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: we are talking asr-004313 05:18:06.480 --> 05:18:06.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: about asr-004314 05:18:06.920 --> 05:18:08.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: deliberations asr-004315 05:18:08.020 --> 05:18:08.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on budget asr-004316 05:18:08.740 --> 05:18:09.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004317 05:18:09.900 --> 05:18:10.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004318 05:18:10.780 --> 05:18:12.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I think one asr-004319 05:18:12.920 --> 05:18:13.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is not dependent asr-004320 05:18:13.820 --> 05:18:14.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on the other asr-004321 05:18:14.580 --> 05:18:15.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these three asr-004322 05:18:15.360 --> 05:18:16.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: go hand in hand asr-004323 05:18:16.700 --> 05:18:17.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so hindi po siguro asr-004324 05:18:17.700 --> 05:18:19.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: one is dependent asr-004325 05:18:19.360 --> 05:18:20.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on the other asr-004326 05:18:20.600 --> 05:18:21.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or meaning asr-004327 05:18:21.380 --> 05:18:22.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: subsumed asr-004328 05:18:22.140 --> 05:18:22.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung transparency asr-004329 05:18:22.880 --> 05:18:23.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under these two asr-004330 05:18:23.900 --> 05:18:25.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but those three asr-004331 05:18:25.080 --> 05:18:25.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are interconnected asr-004332 05:18:25.880 --> 05:18:27.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: thank you Madam Sponsor asr-004333 05:18:27.240 --> 05:18:27.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004334 05:18:27.880 --> 05:18:28.420 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maganda po asr-004335 05:18:28.420 --> 05:18:28.940 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang pinunto asr-004336 05:18:28.940 --> 05:18:30.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng ating asr-004337 05:18:30.020 --> 05:18:30.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kagalang-galang asr-004338 05:18:30.880 --> 05:18:31.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na sponsor asr-004339 05:18:31.460 --> 05:18:32.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na it goes asr-004340 05:18:32.340 --> 05:18:32.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hand in hand asr-004341 05:18:32.920 --> 05:18:34.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: so po pwede rin po asr-004342 05:18:34.760 --> 05:18:35.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nating masabi asr-004343 05:18:35.460 --> 05:18:37.820 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na magiging mahirap asr-004344 05:18:37.820 --> 05:18:38.540 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na mag-exist asr-004345 05:18:38.540 --> 05:18:39.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang transparency asr-004346 05:18:39.840 --> 05:18:41.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: without accountability asr-004347 05:18:41.020 --> 05:18:42.540 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and vice versa asr-004348 05:18:42.540 --> 05:18:44.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at isama na rin po asr-004349 05:18:44.340 --> 05:18:45.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: natin yung usapin asr-004350 05:18:45.280 --> 05:18:45.540 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng asr-004351 05:18:45.540 --> 05:18:47.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: citizens participation asr-004352 05:18:47.440 --> 05:18:48.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ngayon po Madam Sponsor asr-004353 05:18:48.620 --> 05:18:49.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004354 05:18:49.280 --> 05:18:50.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: given the definition asr-004355 05:18:50.960 --> 05:18:51.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at dun po sa asr-004356 05:18:51.700 --> 05:18:52.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: agreement natin asr-004357 05:18:52.700 --> 05:18:53.820 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on those principles asr-004358 05:18:53.820 --> 05:18:55.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: papaano po asr-004359 05:18:55.500 --> 05:18:56.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: inapply asr-004360 05:18:56.200 --> 05:18:57.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung prinsipyo asr-004361 05:18:57.800 --> 05:18:58.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng transparency asr-004362 05:18:58.420 --> 05:18:59.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability asr-004363 05:18:59.520 --> 05:19:01.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and citizens participation asr-004364 05:19:01.360 --> 05:19:03.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pagbalangkas po asr-004365 05:19:03.000 --> 05:19:03.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng asr-004366 05:19:03.760 --> 05:19:05.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng asr-004367 05:19:05.860 --> 05:19:08.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 2027 NEP asr-004368 05:19:08.140 --> 05:19:09.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at ng HGAP asr-004369 05:19:09.960 --> 05:19:11.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa kasalukuyan po asr-004370 05:19:11.280 --> 05:19:13.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kasi 2027 NEP eh asr-004371 05:19:13.500 --> 05:19:15.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so nasimulan po natin asr-004372 05:19:15.120 --> 05:19:16.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: itong mga mahalagang asr-004373 05:19:16.220 --> 05:19:16.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: reforma na to asr-004374 05:19:16.980 --> 05:19:18.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nung nakalaang taon asr-004375 05:19:18.000 --> 05:19:19.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung pinakamahalaga po asr-004376 05:19:19.440 --> 05:19:20.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this is asr-004377 05:19:20.280 --> 05:19:21.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: probably the biggest asr-004378 05:19:21.800 --> 05:19:23.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transparency related asr-004379 05:19:23.460 --> 05:19:24.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: reform we've done asr-004380 05:19:24.680 --> 05:19:25.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which is asr-004381 05:19:25.160 --> 05:19:26.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we've abolished asr-004382 05:19:26.100 --> 05:19:27.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the small committee asr-004383 05:19:27.340 --> 05:19:28.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which asr-004384 05:19:28.120 --> 05:19:29.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: was perceived asr-004385 05:19:29.320 --> 05:19:30.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a very opaque asr-004386 05:19:30.580 --> 05:19:32.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: behind the scenes asr-004387 05:19:32.600 --> 05:19:33.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: process in the past asr-004388 05:19:33.800 --> 05:19:35.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so wala na po asr-004389 05:19:35.200 --> 05:19:36.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung small committee asr-004390 05:19:36.400 --> 05:19:37.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ngayon po asr-004391 05:19:37.040 --> 05:19:38.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: lahat ng mga amienda asr-004392 05:19:38.100 --> 05:19:39.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay tinatalakay asr-004393 05:19:39.540 --> 05:19:40.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng bukas asr-004394 05:19:40.280 --> 05:19:41.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa publiko asr-004395 05:19:41.260 --> 05:19:41.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nakikita po asr-004396 05:19:41.940 --> 05:19:43.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na ating mga kabayan asr-004397 05:19:43.180 --> 05:19:44.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: line by line asr-004398 05:19:44.120 --> 05:19:45.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung ating mga amienda asr-004399 05:19:45.700 --> 05:19:47.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pangalawa po asr-004400 05:19:47.100 --> 05:19:49.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa level din po asr-004401 05:19:49.020 --> 05:19:49.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng asr-004402 05:19:49.480 --> 05:19:50.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng kongreso asr-004403 05:19:50.400 --> 05:19:52.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung citizens participation po asr-004404 05:19:52.640 --> 05:19:53.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: although we are still asr-004405 05:19:53.920 --> 05:19:55.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: refining the engagement models asr-004406 05:19:55.600 --> 05:19:56.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as we go along asr-004407 05:19:56.520 --> 05:19:57.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in institution asr-004408 05:19:57.860 --> 05:19:59.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: lies na rin po natin asr-004409 05:19:59.360 --> 05:20:00.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung people's budget review asr-004410 05:20:00.600 --> 05:20:01.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at yung asr-004411 05:20:01.860 --> 05:20:03.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung asr-004412 05:20:03.560 --> 05:20:05.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: abilidad na ating mga asr-004413 05:20:05.080 --> 05:20:06.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: civil society organizations asr-004414 05:20:06.320 --> 05:20:07.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na makapagtanong asr-004415 05:20:07.420 --> 05:20:08.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa mga ahensya na gobyerno asr-004416 05:20:08.760 --> 05:20:10.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa kahabahan po asr-004417 05:20:10.060 --> 05:20:11.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga committee hearings asr-004418 05:20:11.200 --> 05:20:12.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa pamamagitan po asr-004419 05:20:12.680 --> 05:20:14.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating mga vice chairpersons asr-004420 05:20:14.500 --> 05:20:15.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at tuloy-tuloy po asr-004421 05:20:15.360 --> 05:20:16.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung kanilang engagement asr-004422 05:20:16.220 --> 05:20:17.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we've also asr-004423 05:20:17.520 --> 05:20:19.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: put together po asr-004424 05:20:19.460 --> 05:20:20.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at kaka asr-004425 05:20:20.180 --> 05:20:21.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: start lang po asr-004426 05:20:21.620 --> 05:20:23.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa congress website asr-004427 05:20:23.580 --> 05:20:25.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong portal natin asr-004428 05:20:25.000 --> 05:20:26.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para sa mga civil society asr-004429 05:20:26.440 --> 05:20:27.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: organizations asr-004430 05:20:27.340 --> 05:20:28.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nabanggit po kasi asr-004431 05:20:28.780 --> 05:20:29.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na paminsan asr-004432 05:20:29.300 --> 05:20:30.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: medyo nahihirapan asr-004433 05:20:30.140 --> 05:20:31.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa namakuha yung mga dokumento asr-004434 05:20:31.860 --> 05:20:33.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so in the spirit of asr-004435 05:20:33.680 --> 05:20:34.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transparency asr-004436 05:20:34.600 --> 05:20:36.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and close coordination asr-004437 05:20:36.140 --> 05:20:38.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nagsimula na po tayo asr-004438 05:20:38.300 --> 05:20:39.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong portal na yun asr-004439 05:20:39.340 --> 05:20:40.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at isa pa po asr-004440 05:20:40.400 --> 05:20:41.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa pinakamahalaga asr-004441 05:20:41.820 --> 05:20:43.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay yung ating asr-004442 05:20:43.020 --> 05:20:44.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pagsagawa asr-004443 05:20:44.380 --> 05:20:45.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng unang asr-004444 05:20:45.600 --> 05:20:47.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: open bicam asr-004445 05:20:47.080 --> 05:20:47.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa kasaysayan asr-004446 05:20:47.880 --> 05:20:48.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating bansa asr-004447 05:20:48.660 --> 05:20:50.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na yun dati po asr-004448 05:20:50.340 --> 05:20:50.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay asr-004449 05:20:50.800 --> 05:20:52.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po nakikita asr-004450 05:20:52.640 --> 05:20:53.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung ano yung asr-004451 05:20:53.400 --> 05:20:54.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deliberasyon asr-004452 05:20:54.720 --> 05:20:55.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng bicam asr-004453 05:20:55.480 --> 05:20:56.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nakita po yan asr-004454 05:20:56.900 --> 05:20:57.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating mga asr-004455 05:20:57.340 --> 05:20:58.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kababayan asr-004456 05:20:58.020 --> 05:20:58.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: anim na araw asr-004457 05:20:58.900 --> 05:21:00.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hanggang madaling araw po asr-004458 05:21:00.600 --> 05:21:03.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: linivestream po natin asr-004459 05:21:03.300 --> 05:21:03.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung bicam asr-004460 05:21:03.920 --> 05:21:05.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so we started asr-004461 05:21:05.300 --> 05:21:06.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these meaningful reforms asr-004462 05:21:06.960 --> 05:21:08.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: last year asr-004463 05:21:08.000 --> 05:21:08.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and although asr-004464 05:21:08.840 --> 05:21:09.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there are still asr-004465 05:21:09.900 --> 05:21:10.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: some asr-004466 05:21:10.660 --> 05:21:12.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: minor asr-004467 05:21:12.000 --> 05:21:13.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: like minor asr-004468 05:21:13.020 --> 05:21:13.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and major tweaks asr-004469 05:21:13.880 --> 05:21:14.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that we would have to do asr-004470 05:21:14.940 --> 05:21:15.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to refine these asr-004471 05:21:15.820 --> 05:21:17.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: engagement models asr-004472 05:21:17.460 --> 05:21:18.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: talaga pong asr-004473 05:21:18.280 --> 05:21:19.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: isinasa po asr-004474 05:21:19.660 --> 05:21:20.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: natin yan asr-004475 05:21:20.640 --> 05:21:21.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at asr-004476 05:21:21.000 --> 05:21:22.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: panghuli po asr-004477 05:21:22.140 --> 05:21:23.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang mahalaga din po asr-004478 05:21:23.460 --> 05:21:24.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung makikita nyo po asr-004479 05:21:24.560 --> 05:21:25.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa mga special provisions asr-004480 05:21:25.660 --> 05:21:26.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa iba't ibang mga ahensya asr-004481 05:21:26.920 --> 05:21:27.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: lalo na po asr-004482 05:21:27.340 --> 05:21:29.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga ahensya asr-004483 05:21:29.320 --> 05:21:30.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na merong imprestruktura asr-004484 05:21:30.620 --> 05:21:32.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: makikita nyo po doon asr-004485 05:21:32.180 --> 05:21:33.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: naglagay po tayo asr-004486 05:21:33.440 --> 05:21:34.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga requirement asr-004487 05:21:34.680 --> 05:21:36.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na kailangan maglagay asr-004488 05:21:36.120 --> 05:21:37.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung iba't ibang ahensya asr-004489 05:21:37.640 --> 05:21:38.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga asr-004490 05:21:38.460 --> 05:21:40.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transparency portals asr-004491 05:21:40.360 --> 05:21:41.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or monitoring portals asr-004492 05:21:41.940 --> 05:21:43.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para po sa kanilang asr-004493 05:21:43.180 --> 05:21:43.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mga infrastructure asr-004494 05:21:43.920 --> 05:21:45.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: projects asr-004495 05:21:45.020 --> 05:21:46.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so yun po asr-004496 05:21:46.020 --> 05:21:46.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay ating asr-004497 05:21:46.740 --> 05:21:47.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: idinagdag asr-004498 05:21:47.780 --> 05:21:48.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa level po asr-004499 05:21:48.960 --> 05:21:50.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating pagbalangkas asr-004500 05:21:50.080 --> 05:21:50.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng budget asr-004501 05:21:50.560 --> 05:21:52.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po asr-004502 05:21:52.360 --> 05:21:52.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004503 05:21:52.880 --> 05:21:53.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004504 05:21:53.840 --> 05:21:54.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bagamat na asr-004505 05:21:54.520 --> 05:21:55.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: appreciate po natin asr-004506 05:21:55.660 --> 05:21:56.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang pagtalakay asr-004507 05:21:56.560 --> 05:21:57.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa ilang mga reports asr-004508 05:21:57.340 --> 05:21:57.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and informa asr-004509 05:21:57.720 --> 05:22:00.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the civil society organizations asr-004510 05:22:00.060 --> 05:22:01.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: would say otherwise asr-004511 05:22:01.320 --> 05:22:02.160 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004512 05:22:02.160 --> 05:22:02.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004513 05:22:02.800 --> 05:22:03.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in fact asr-004514 05:22:03.780 --> 05:22:04.940 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sinabi po asr-004515 05:22:04.940 --> 05:22:06.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng People's Budget Coalition asr-004516 05:22:06.500 --> 05:22:08.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa People's Budget Review asr-004517 05:22:08.560 --> 05:22:10.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi po sapat asr-004518 05:22:10.200 --> 05:22:12.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o hindi meaningful participation asr-004519 05:22:12.300 --> 05:22:14.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang tatlong minutong asr-004520 05:22:14.440 --> 05:22:15.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ibinigay asr-004521 05:22:15.280 --> 05:22:16.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa bawat asr-004522 05:22:16.300 --> 05:22:18.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: civil society organizations asr-004523 05:22:18.340 --> 05:22:19.160 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: alam nyo po asr-004524 05:22:19.160 --> 05:22:19.820 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004525 05:22:19.820 --> 05:22:20.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004526 05:22:20.460 --> 05:22:21.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang nangyari po asr-004527 05:22:21.200 --> 05:22:22.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay nag-imbitalang asr-004528 05:22:22.020 --> 05:22:23.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga civil society organizations asr-004529 05:22:23.660 --> 05:22:25.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng People's Budget Review asr-004530 05:22:25.060 --> 05:22:26.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung saan asr-004531 05:22:26.360 --> 05:22:27.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: tatlong minuto asr-004532 05:22:27.300 --> 05:22:27.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lang asr-004533 05:22:27.340 --> 05:22:28.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang ibinigay asr-004534 05:22:28.480 --> 05:22:29.940 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa bawat isang CSO asr-004535 05:22:29.940 --> 05:22:31.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi po sapat asr-004536 05:22:31.560 --> 05:22:32.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang tatlong minuto asr-004537 05:22:32.520 --> 05:22:33.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker asr-004538 05:22:33.200 --> 05:22:34.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004539 05:22:34.560 --> 05:22:35.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004540 05:22:35.240 --> 05:22:36.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: para talakayin asr-004541 05:22:36.700 --> 05:22:37.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: buo asr-004542 05:22:37.120 --> 05:22:39.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o komprehensibo asr-004543 05:22:39.000 --> 05:22:40.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung mga nais asr-004544 05:22:40.240 --> 05:22:41.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na reforma asr-004545 05:22:41.020 --> 05:22:42.160 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga civil society asr-004546 05:22:42.160 --> 05:22:43.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations asr-004547 05:22:43.280 --> 05:22:44.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in fact asr-004548 05:22:44.000 --> 05:22:44.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: if I may quote asr-004549 05:22:44.780 --> 05:22:46.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: one of the members asr-004550 05:22:46.000 --> 05:22:47.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of People's Budget Coalition asr-004551 05:22:47.960 --> 05:22:49.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Ziza asr-004552 05:22:49.740 --> 05:22:50.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nadine Susara asr-004553 05:22:50.760 --> 05:22:52.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: what exactly asr-004554 05:22:52.240 --> 05:22:52.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: was covered asr-004555 05:22:52.880 --> 05:22:54.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: by the People's Budget Review asr-004556 05:22:54.380 --> 05:22:54.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: today asr-004557 05:22:54.760 --> 05:22:55.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: this pertains asr-004558 05:22:55.600 --> 05:22:56.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004559 05:22:56.220 --> 05:22:57.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to the People's Budget Review asr-004560 05:22:57.340 --> 05:22:58.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that was conducted asr-004561 05:22:58.520 --> 05:23:00.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: by the Committee on Appropriations asr-004562 05:23:00.000 --> 05:23:01.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which agency asr-004563 05:23:01.360 --> 05:23:02.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: program budgets asr-004564 05:23:02.200 --> 05:23:02.940 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: were presented asr-004565 05:23:02.940 --> 05:23:03.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and discussed asr-004566 05:23:03.640 --> 05:23:04.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nothing asr-004567 05:23:04.600 --> 05:23:06.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: were CSOs asr-004568 05:23:06.320 --> 05:23:07.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: given a chance asr-004569 05:23:07.180 --> 05:23:08.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to explain their proposals asr-004570 05:23:08.400 --> 05:23:09.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: no asr-004571 05:23:09.280 --> 05:23:11.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: they were only given asr-004572 05:23:11.220 --> 05:23:12.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: three minutes asr-004573 05:23:12.680 --> 05:23:13.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to speak asr-004574 05:23:13.340 --> 05:23:14.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: how the heck asr-004575 05:23:14.780 --> 05:23:15.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: can anyone asr-004576 05:23:15.380 --> 05:23:16.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: explain a technical proposal asr-004577 05:23:16.900 --> 05:23:18.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in such short asr-004578 05:23:18.140 --> 05:23:18.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: a time asr-004579 05:23:18.840 --> 05:23:20.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which CSO asr-004580 05:23:20.440 --> 05:23:21.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: inputs asr-004581 05:23:21.100 --> 05:23:22.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: did the Committee on Appropriations asr-004582 05:23:22.560 --> 05:23:23.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: consider asr-004583 05:23:23.080 --> 05:23:24.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: none asr-004584 05:23:24.040 --> 05:23:25.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: what did they commit asr-004585 05:23:25.840 --> 05:23:26.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to include asr-004586 05:23:26.360 --> 05:23:27.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in the 2027 asr-004587 05:23:27.340 --> 05:23:27.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: gov asr-004588 05:23:27.880 --> 05:23:28.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: none asr-004589 05:23:28.780 --> 05:23:30.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: are they going asr-004590 05:23:30.140 --> 05:23:31.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to publish a report asr-004591 05:23:31.080 --> 05:23:31.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on the proceedings asr-004592 05:23:31.980 --> 05:23:32.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ewan asr-004593 05:23:32.920 --> 05:23:34.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: are they going asr-004594 05:23:34.000 --> 05:23:34.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to post photos asr-004595 05:23:34.880 --> 05:23:35.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: oh for sure asr-004596 05:23:35.840 --> 05:23:36.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: meron nga eh asr-004597 05:23:36.480 --> 05:23:37.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: so ang naramdaman po asr-004598 05:23:37.720 --> 05:23:38.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga civil society asr-004599 05:23:38.660 --> 05:23:39.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations dito asr-004600 05:23:39.560 --> 05:23:40.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004601 05:23:40.140 --> 05:23:41.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004602 05:23:41.080 --> 05:23:42.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: e naging palamuti lang asr-004603 05:23:42.520 --> 05:23:43.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang mga CSOs asr-004604 05:23:43.460 --> 05:23:44.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: doon sa tinatawag natin asr-004605 05:23:44.840 --> 05:23:45.540 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na People's asr-004606 05:23:45.540 --> 05:23:46.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Budget Review asr-004607 05:23:46.700 --> 05:23:48.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi po nila nakita asr-004608 05:23:48.240 --> 05:23:49.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung pagsasalubungan asr-004609 05:23:49.760 --> 05:23:50.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga konsepto asr-004610 05:23:50.740 --> 05:23:51.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng transparency asr-004611 05:23:51.640 --> 05:23:52.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability asr-004612 05:23:52.440 --> 05:23:53.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at citizens asr-004613 05:23:53.120 --> 05:23:53.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation asr-004614 05:23:53.980 --> 05:23:55.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: now would the sponsor asr-004615 05:23:55.280 --> 05:23:56.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: agree with me asr-004616 05:23:56.100 --> 05:23:56.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004617 05:23:56.840 --> 05:23:57.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004618 05:23:57.340 --> 05:23:59.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that transparency asr-004619 05:23:59.280 --> 05:24:00.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is not just about asr-004620 05:24:00.500 --> 05:24:01.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: live streaming asr-004621 05:24:01.180 --> 05:24:02.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of the proceedings asr-004622 05:24:02.120 --> 05:24:02.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004623 05:24:02.900 --> 05:24:03.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004624 05:24:03.720 --> 05:24:04.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Siguro asr-004625 05:24:04.600 --> 05:24:05.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker asr-004626 05:24:05.180 --> 05:24:06.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I would like to clarify asr-004627 05:24:06.220 --> 05:24:06.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a point asr-004628 05:24:06.780 --> 05:24:08.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the People's Budget Review asr-004629 05:24:08.120 --> 05:24:09.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the format asr-004630 05:24:09.180 --> 05:24:09.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the way asr-004631 05:24:09.680 --> 05:24:10.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it was conducted asr-004632 05:24:10.460 --> 05:24:11.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the number of minutes asr-004633 05:24:11.740 --> 05:24:13.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were allocated asr-004634 05:24:13.380 --> 05:24:14.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to each of the asr-004635 05:24:14.700 --> 05:24:16.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: different CSOs asr-004636 05:24:16.060 --> 05:24:16.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to present asr-004637 05:24:16.520 --> 05:24:17.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that was not asr-004638 05:24:17.500 --> 05:24:18.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the purview asr-004639 05:24:18.340 --> 05:24:18.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the Committee asr-004640 05:24:18.840 --> 05:24:19.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations asr-004641 05:24:19.820 --> 05:24:21.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it was the asr-004642 05:24:21.040 --> 05:24:22.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: CPBRD asr-004643 05:24:22.700 --> 05:24:24.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which is the head asr-004644 05:24:24.560 --> 05:24:25.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the House asr-004645 05:24:25.480 --> 05:24:26.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Task Force asr-004646 05:24:26.820 --> 05:24:27.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on People's asr-004647 05:24:27.320 --> 05:24:28.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Participation asr-004648 05:24:28.160 --> 05:24:29.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who set forth asr-004649 05:24:29.000 --> 05:24:30.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: all of that asr-004650 05:24:30.140 --> 05:24:31.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in fairness asr-004651 05:24:31.180 --> 05:24:32.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the Committee asr-004652 05:24:32.360 --> 05:24:33.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations asr-004653 05:24:33.280 --> 05:24:35.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Vice Chairpersons asr-004654 05:24:35.220 --> 05:24:36.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who were assigned asr-004655 05:24:36.540 --> 05:24:37.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to sponsor asr-004656 05:24:37.420 --> 05:24:39.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the agencies asr-004657 05:24:39.020 --> 05:24:41.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the sectors asr-004658 05:24:41.700 --> 05:24:42.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were represented asr-004659 05:24:42.620 --> 05:24:43.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by the different asr-004660 05:24:43.480 --> 05:24:44.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: civil society asr-004661 05:24:44.460 --> 05:24:45.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: organizations asr-004662 05:24:45.420 --> 05:24:46.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sinigurado po namin asr-004663 05:24:46.980 --> 05:24:48.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tinanong pa namin asr-004664 05:24:48.280 --> 05:24:49.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: alin pong mga asr-004665 05:24:49.440 --> 05:24:49.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sektor asr-004666 05:24:49.920 --> 05:24:50.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung represented asr-004667 05:24:50.980 --> 05:24:52.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga CSOs asr-004668 05:24:52.120 --> 05:24:53.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pumunta po asr-004669 05:24:53.400 --> 05:24:54.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung Vice Chairperson asr-004670 05:24:54.420 --> 05:24:54.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng Committee asr-004671 05:24:54.880 --> 05:24:55.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations asr-004672 05:24:55.940 --> 05:24:56.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na asr-004673 05:24:56.560 --> 05:24:57.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004674 05:24:57.320 --> 05:24:57.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: , asr-004675 05:24:57.820 --> 05:24:59.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na-assigned po asr-004676 05:24:59.020 --> 05:25:00.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: doon po sa sektor na yun asr-004677 05:25:00.460 --> 05:25:01.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so on the part of the Committee asr-004678 05:25:01.620 --> 05:25:02.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations asr-004679 05:25:02.980 --> 05:25:04.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker asr-004680 05:25:04.020 --> 05:25:05.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished Colleague asr-004681 05:25:05.020 --> 05:25:06.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we did our part asr-004682 05:25:06.520 --> 05:25:07.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in a sense na asr-004683 05:25:07.320 --> 05:25:08.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we made sure asr-004684 05:25:08.000 --> 05:25:10.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there was representation asr-004685 05:25:10.640 --> 05:25:12.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the different sectors asr-004686 05:25:12.060 --> 05:25:12.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and asr-004687 05:25:12.560 --> 05:25:13.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: finally po asr-004688 05:25:13.560 --> 05:25:15.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung sa commitment po asr-004689 05:25:15.320 --> 05:25:16.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually po asr-004690 05:25:16.260 --> 05:25:18.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: no one member asr-004691 05:25:18.760 --> 05:25:19.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: not even asr-004692 05:25:19.880 --> 05:25:20.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: myself asr-004693 05:25:20.560 --> 05:25:22.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: can commit asr-004694 05:25:22.660 --> 05:25:23.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: point blank asr-004695 05:25:23.920 --> 05:25:25.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on a particular asr-004696 05:25:25.280 --> 05:25:25.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: funding asr-004697 05:25:25.800 --> 05:25:27.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for a particular project asr-004698 05:25:27.320 --> 05:25:28.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or a program asr-004699 05:25:28.320 --> 05:25:29.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because all of these asr-004700 05:25:29.320 --> 05:25:30.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: amendments asr-004701 05:25:30.320 --> 05:25:31.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would have to go through asr-004702 05:25:31.320 --> 05:25:32.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the deliberation asr-004703 05:25:32.320 --> 05:25:33.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the BARC asr-004704 05:25:33.320 --> 05:25:34.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the asr-004705 05:25:34.320 --> 05:25:35.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and um asr-004706 05:25:35.320 --> 05:25:36.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and approved asr-004707 05:25:36.320 --> 05:25:37.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um by the body asr-004708 05:25:37.320 --> 05:25:38.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and by the plenary asr-004709 05:25:38.320 --> 05:25:39.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so siguro po asr-004710 05:25:39.320 --> 05:25:40.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: naiintindihan ko po asr-004711 05:25:40.320 --> 05:25:41.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung asr-004712 05:25:41.320 --> 05:25:42.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004713 05:25:42.320 --> 05:25:43.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung pagnanais asr-004714 05:25:43.320 --> 05:25:44.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng commitment asr-004715 05:25:44.320 --> 05:25:45.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng Diretso asr-004716 05:25:45.320 --> 05:25:46.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pero asr-004717 05:25:46.320 --> 05:25:47.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um I would like to asr-004718 05:25:47.320 --> 05:25:48.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: clarify po asr-004719 05:25:48.320 --> 05:25:49.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that there is asr-004720 05:25:49.320 --> 05:25:50.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: no one member asr-004721 05:25:50.320 --> 05:25:51.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: no Vice Chairperson asr-004722 05:25:51.320 --> 05:25:52.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: not even the Chairperson asr-004723 05:25:52.320 --> 05:25:53.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the Committee asr-004724 05:25:53.320 --> 05:25:54.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations asr-004725 05:25:54.320 --> 05:25:55.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who can commit asr-004726 05:25:55.320 --> 05:25:56.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on a specific funding asr-004727 05:25:56.320 --> 05:25:57.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: right then and there asr-004728 05:25:57.320 --> 05:25:58.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but in terms asr-004729 05:25:58.320 --> 05:25:59.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of considering asr-004730 05:25:59.320 --> 05:26:00.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the amendments po asr-004731 05:26:00.320 --> 05:26:01.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004732 05:26:01.320 --> 05:26:02.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we definitely asr-004733 05:26:02.320 --> 05:26:03.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: took note asr-004734 05:26:03.320 --> 05:26:04.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we definitely asr-004735 05:26:04.320 --> 05:26:05.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: uh asr-004736 05:26:05.320 --> 05:26:06.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are making sure asr-004737 05:26:06.320 --> 05:26:07.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that their inputs asr-004738 05:26:07.320 --> 05:26:08.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at the time asr-004739 05:26:08.320 --> 05:26:09.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004740 05:26:09.320 --> 05:26:10.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will be incorporated asr-004741 05:26:10.320 --> 05:26:11.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the deliberations asr-004742 05:26:11.320 --> 05:26:12.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the BARC asr-004743 05:26:12.320 --> 05:26:13.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: last year po asr-004744 05:26:13.320 --> 05:26:14.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004745 05:26:14.320 --> 05:26:15.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga nabanggit nila asr-004746 05:26:15.320 --> 05:26:16.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: additional funding asr-004747 05:26:16.320 --> 05:26:17.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for classrooms asr-004748 05:26:17.320 --> 05:26:18.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: additional funding asr-004749 05:26:18.320 --> 05:26:19.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for transportation asr-004750 05:26:19.320 --> 05:26:20.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: initiatives asr-004751 05:26:20.320 --> 05:26:21.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: additional funding asr-004752 05:26:21.320 --> 05:26:22.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for health asr-004753 05:26:22.320 --> 05:26:23.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: initiatives asr-004754 05:26:23.320 --> 05:26:24.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: climate initiatives asr-004755 05:26:24.320 --> 05:26:25.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: all of those asr-004756 05:26:25.320 --> 05:26:26.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: were considered asr-004757 05:26:26.320 --> 05:26:28.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by the 2026 GAA asr-004758 05:26:28.320 --> 05:26:29.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so our request po asr-004759 05:26:29.320 --> 05:26:30.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: please give us time asr-004760 05:26:30.320 --> 05:26:31.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as we move forward asr-004761 05:26:31.320 --> 05:26:32.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with the asr-004762 05:26:32.320 --> 05:26:33.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deliberation asr-004763 05:26:33.320 --> 05:26:34.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the amendments asr-004764 05:26:34.320 --> 05:26:35.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but rest assured po asr-004765 05:26:35.320 --> 05:26:36.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: their input asr-004766 05:26:36.320 --> 05:26:37.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: inputs are asr-004767 05:26:37.320 --> 05:26:38.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004768 05:26:38.320 --> 05:26:39.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: being considered asr-004769 05:26:39.320 --> 05:26:40.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by the House asr-004770 05:26:40.320 --> 05:26:41.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maganda po asr-004771 05:26:41.320 --> 05:26:42.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na nabanggit asr-004772 05:26:42.320 --> 05:26:43.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng kagalang-galang asr-004773 05:26:43.320 --> 05:26:44.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na sponsor asr-004774 05:26:44.320 --> 05:26:45.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mrs. Speaker asr-004775 05:26:45.320 --> 05:26:46.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi naman daw asr-004776 05:26:46.320 --> 05:26:47.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Committee on Appropriations asr-004777 05:26:47.320 --> 05:26:48.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung nagli-lead asr-004778 05:26:48.320 --> 05:26:49.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng People's Budget Review asr-004779 05:26:49.320 --> 05:26:50.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: paggos asr-004780 05:26:50.320 --> 05:26:51.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ito'y pinangungunahan asr-004781 05:26:51.320 --> 05:26:52.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng CPBRD asr-004782 05:26:52.320 --> 05:26:53.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: so ang tanong po asr-004783 05:26:53.320 --> 05:26:54.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mrs. Speaker asr-004784 05:26:54.320 --> 05:26:55.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004785 05:26:55.320 --> 05:26:57.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: why was the People's Budget Review asr-004786 05:26:57.320 --> 05:26:58.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: conducted by the asr-004787 05:26:58.320 --> 05:26:59.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: CPBRD asr-004788 05:26:59.320 --> 05:27:00.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which has asr-004789 05:27:00.320 --> 05:27:01.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: no authority asr-004790 05:27:01.320 --> 05:27:02.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to adopt asr-004791 05:27:02.320 --> 05:27:03.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or reject asr-004792 05:27:03.320 --> 05:27:04.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: any budget proposal asr-004793 05:27:04.320 --> 05:27:05.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: rather than asr-004794 05:27:05.320 --> 05:27:06.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: by the Committee asr-004795 05:27:06.320 --> 05:27:07.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on Appropriations asr-004796 05:27:07.320 --> 05:27:08.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: itself asr-004797 05:27:08.320 --> 05:27:09.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004798 05:27:09.320 --> 05:27:10.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mrs. Speaker asr-004799 05:27:10.320 --> 05:27:11.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker asr-004800 05:27:11.320 --> 05:27:12.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004801 05:27:12.320 --> 05:27:13.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the reason for that asr-004802 05:27:13.320 --> 05:27:14.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is when asr-004803 05:27:14.320 --> 05:27:15.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the House constituted asr-004804 05:27:15.320 --> 05:27:16.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the House asr-004805 05:27:16.320 --> 05:27:17.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004806 05:27:17.320 --> 05:27:18.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Task Force asr-004807 05:27:18.320 --> 05:27:19.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on People's Participation asr-004808 05:27:19.320 --> 05:27:20.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung CPBRD po asr-004809 05:27:20.320 --> 05:27:21.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung asr-004810 05:27:21.320 --> 05:27:22.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004811 05:27:22.320 --> 05:27:23.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in-assign asr-004812 05:27:23.320 --> 05:27:24.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as the head asr-004813 05:27:24.320 --> 05:27:25.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of that particular asr-004814 05:27:25.320 --> 05:27:26.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: task force asr-004815 05:27:26.320 --> 05:27:27.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the reason being asr-004816 05:27:27.320 --> 05:27:28.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004817 05:27:28.320 --> 05:27:29.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of engagement asr-004818 05:27:29.320 --> 05:27:30.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po asr-004819 05:27:30.320 --> 05:27:31.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004820 05:27:31.320 --> 05:27:32.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Committee on Appropriations asr-004821 05:27:32.320 --> 05:27:33.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po kasi handles asr-004822 05:27:33.320 --> 05:27:34.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the budget itself asr-004823 05:27:34.320 --> 05:27:35.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004824 05:27:35.320 --> 05:27:36.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so asr-004825 05:27:36.320 --> 05:27:37.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kailangan po namin asr-004826 05:27:37.320 --> 05:27:38.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng tulong asr-004827 05:27:38.320 --> 05:27:39.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na meron pong asr-004828 05:27:39.320 --> 05:27:40.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ibang asr-004829 05:27:40.320 --> 05:27:41.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: opisina asr-004830 05:27:41.320 --> 05:27:42.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: within Congress asr-004831 05:27:42.320 --> 05:27:43.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who would help us out asr-004832 05:27:43.320 --> 05:27:44.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: also with all the asr-004833 05:27:44.320 --> 05:27:45.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: coordination asr-004834 05:27:45.320 --> 05:27:46.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: logistics asr-004835 05:27:46.320 --> 05:27:47.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004836 05:27:47.320 --> 05:27:48.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the asr-004837 05:27:48.320 --> 05:27:49.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the continuous asr-004838 05:27:49.320 --> 05:27:50.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: engagement po asr-004839 05:27:50.320 --> 05:27:51.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so asr-004840 05:27:51.320 --> 05:27:52.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um asr-004841 05:27:52.320 --> 05:27:53.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that is asr-004842 05:27:53.320 --> 05:27:54.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: simply the reason po asr-004843 05:27:54.320 --> 05:27:55.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the House Task Force asr-004844 05:27:55.320 --> 05:27:56.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on People's Participation asr-004845 05:27:56.320 --> 05:27:57.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: was constituted asr-004846 05:27:57.320 --> 05:27:58.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: CPBRD asr-004847 05:27:58.320 --> 05:27:59.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: was the one assigned asr-004848 05:27:59.320 --> 05:28:01.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to head such task force asr-004849 05:28:01.320 --> 05:28:02.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you Madam Sponsor asr-004850 05:28:02.320 --> 05:28:03.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mrs. Speaker asr-004851 05:28:03.320 --> 05:28:04.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Alam niyo po asr-004852 05:28:04.320 --> 05:28:05.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004853 05:28:05.320 --> 05:28:06.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004854 05:28:06.320 --> 05:28:07.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kaya ako po pinupoint out asr-004855 05:28:07.320 --> 05:28:08.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: itong mga katanungan nito asr-004856 05:28:08.320 --> 05:28:09.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dahil 20 years ago asr-004857 05:28:09.320 --> 05:28:10.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in this August Chamber asr-004858 05:28:10.320 --> 05:28:12.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the Committee on Appropriations asr-004859 05:28:12.320 --> 05:28:14.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: had broken tradition asr-004860 05:28:14.320 --> 05:28:16.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: after it approved asr-004861 05:28:16.320 --> 05:28:19.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on 17 September 2007 asr-004862 05:28:19.320 --> 05:28:21.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the participation of asr-004863 05:28:21.320 --> 05:28:22.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bona fide people's asr-004864 05:28:22.320 --> 05:28:23.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations asr-004865 05:28:23.320 --> 05:28:24.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and non-government asr-004866 05:28:24.320 --> 05:28:25.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations asr-004867 05:28:25.320 --> 05:28:27.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in public hearings asr-004868 05:28:27.320 --> 05:28:29.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on the General Appropriations asr-004869 05:28:29.320 --> 05:28:30.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Bill asr-004870 05:28:30.320 --> 05:28:31.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi lang po sila asr-004871 05:28:31.320 --> 05:28:32.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: simpleng spectator asr-004872 05:28:32.320 --> 05:28:33.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or observer asr-004873 05:28:33.320 --> 05:28:34.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor asr-004874 05:28:34.320 --> 05:28:35.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi lang po sila asr-004875 05:28:35.320 --> 05:28:36.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: simpleng pinagpasa asr-004876 05:28:36.320 --> 05:28:37.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga papel asr-004877 05:28:37.320 --> 05:28:38.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung ano ang tingin nila asr-004878 05:28:38.320 --> 05:28:39.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: doon sa pambansang asr-004879 05:28:39.320 --> 05:28:40.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: budget asr-004880 05:28:40.320 --> 05:28:41.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kundi sila po asr-004881 05:28:41.320 --> 05:28:42.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay aktibong asr-004882 05:28:42.320 --> 05:28:43.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: inimbita asr-004883 05:28:43.320 --> 05:28:44.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bilang mga asr-004884 05:28:44.320 --> 05:28:46.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: resource persons asr-004885 05:28:46.320 --> 05:28:47.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: para maging kalahok asr-004886 05:28:47.320 --> 05:28:49.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: themselves asr-004887 05:28:49.320 --> 05:28:50.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pagbalangkas asr-004888 05:28:50.320 --> 05:28:51.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at pagbusisi po asr-004889 05:28:51.320 --> 05:28:52.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pambansang budget asr-004890 05:28:52.320 --> 05:28:53.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and this reform asr-004891 05:28:53.320 --> 05:28:55.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: structural reform asr-004892 05:28:55.320 --> 05:28:57.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: was spearheaded asr-004893 05:28:57.320 --> 05:28:58.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: by no other than asr-004894 05:28:58.320 --> 05:28:59.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the late honorable asr-004895 05:28:59.320 --> 05:29:01.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Edsel Lagman asr-004896 05:29:01.320 --> 05:29:02.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he believed asr-004897 05:29:02.320 --> 05:29:03.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and he argued then asr-004898 05:29:03.320 --> 05:29:04.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he was the Committee asr-004899 05:29:04.320 --> 05:29:06.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of Appropriations Chair asr-004900 05:29:06.320 --> 05:29:07.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: during that time asr-004901 05:29:07.320 --> 05:29:08.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he argued asr-004902 05:29:08.320 --> 05:29:09.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that the traditional asr-004903 05:29:09.320 --> 05:29:10.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: practice asr-004904 05:29:10.320 --> 05:29:11.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of limiting asr-004905 05:29:11.320 --> 05:29:12.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: budget briefings asr-004906 05:29:12.320 --> 05:29:13.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and deliberations asr-004907 05:29:13.320 --> 05:29:14.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and hearings asr-004908 05:29:14.320 --> 05:29:15.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: solely to asr-004909 05:29:15.320 --> 05:29:16.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: government department asr-004910 05:29:16.320 --> 05:29:17.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: heads asr-004911 05:29:17.320 --> 05:29:18.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and representatives asr-004912 05:29:18.320 --> 05:29:20.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: was an incomplete asr-004913 05:29:20.320 --> 05:29:21.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: process asr-004914 05:29:21.320 --> 05:29:23.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and that the people asr-004915 05:29:23.320 --> 05:29:26.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: as the ultimate beneficiaries asr-004916 05:29:26.320 --> 05:29:27.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or casualties asr-004917 05:29:27.320 --> 05:29:29.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of budget allocations asr-004918 05:29:29.320 --> 05:29:30.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: should be given asr-004919 05:29:30.320 --> 05:29:31.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the opportunity asr-004920 05:29:31.320 --> 05:29:32.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to be heard asr-004921 05:29:32.320 --> 05:29:33.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: through their non-elective asr-004922 05:29:33.320 --> 05:29:35.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and alternative representatives asr-004923 05:29:35.320 --> 05:29:37.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in the people's organizations asr-004924 05:29:37.320 --> 05:29:38.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and non-government asr-004925 05:29:38.320 --> 05:29:40.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations community asr-004926 05:29:40.320 --> 05:29:41.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: alam niyo po napakalaking asr-004927 05:29:41.320 --> 05:29:42.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: reforma ang ginawa asr-004928 05:29:42.320 --> 05:29:43.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: during that time asr-004929 05:29:43.320 --> 05:29:44.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he argued asr-004930 05:29:44.320 --> 05:29:45.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the late honorable asr-004931 05:29:45.320 --> 05:29:46.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Edsel Lagman asr-004932 05:29:46.320 --> 05:29:47.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: argued that asr-004933 05:29:47.320 --> 05:29:49.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: way back in 2007 asr-004934 05:29:49.320 --> 05:29:50.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and this representation asr-004935 05:29:50.320 --> 05:29:51.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: delivers it asr-004936 05:29:51.320 --> 05:29:52.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: until now asr-004937 05:29:52.320 --> 05:29:53.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na kailangan po asr-004938 05:29:53.320 --> 05:29:54.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi lang asr-004939 05:29:54.320 --> 05:29:55.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: spectator at observer asr-004940 05:29:55.320 --> 05:29:56.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang mga people's asr-004941 05:29:56.320 --> 05:29:57.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations asr-004942 05:29:57.320 --> 05:29:58.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and in fact asr-004943 05:29:58.320 --> 05:29:59.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: during this time asr-004944 05:29:59.320 --> 05:30:00.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker asr-004945 05:30:00.320 --> 05:30:10.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, inimbita po ang mga civil society organizations to present yung tinatawag na Alternative Budget Initiative, ABI. asr-004946 05:30:11.200 --> 05:30:17.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At ang mga civil society organizations na po na ito noon ay kasama at kaibigan pa rin po natin hanggang ngayon. asr-004947 05:30:18.000 --> 05:30:21.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: These are the Social Watch Philippines and other civil society organizations. asr-004948 05:30:21.860 --> 05:30:31.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So ito po yung pinupunto natin Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, na pagdating po sa pagre-reforma patungkol sa transparency, accountability, at citizens' participation, asr-004949 05:30:32.080 --> 05:30:42.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: our CSOs demand not a tokenistic, hindi po tokenistic na ibibigay sa kanila na isang espasyo kung saan magiging observer lang po sila, asr-004950 05:30:42.620 --> 05:30:47.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o pagpapasahin natin ang mga papel patungkol dun sa mga reformang gusto natin. asr-004951 05:30:47.060 --> 05:30:51.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So ano po ang tingin dito ng kagalang-galang na sponsor, Mr. Speaker? asr-004952 05:30:52.180 --> 05:30:53.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker? asr-004953 05:30:54.080 --> 05:31:00.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, the engagement guidelines po, to be honest, are not drafted by the Committee on Appropriations. asr-004954 05:31:01.160 --> 05:31:07.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of what would be the level of participation po, again, that is under the purview of the CPBRD. asr-004955 05:31:07.940 --> 05:31:18.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But I have the greatest respect for the Honorable Edson Lagman, and I really admire all the reforms that he put forth when he was Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations. asr-004956 05:31:19.440 --> 05:31:21.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we will look into it po. asr-004957 05:31:22.560 --> 05:31:32.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Again, we started it last year to engage the civil society organizations after so many, like more than a decade of not having engaged them. asr-004958 05:31:33.280 --> 05:31:35.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So please give us some time po. asr-004959 05:31:35.280 --> 05:31:40.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We will look into all of these engagement models. asr-004960 05:31:40.500 --> 05:31:43.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Here with us is Representative Chrisel. asr-004961 05:31:43.340 --> 05:31:45.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: You know po how much I love Kong Edsel. asr-004962 05:31:45.620 --> 05:31:51.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we will look at all of these and the models that were employed during the time of Chairperson. asr-004963 05:31:51.860 --> 05:31:52.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Edsel Lagman. asr-004964 05:31:52.560 --> 05:31:56.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-004965 05:31:56.580 --> 05:32:06.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang nais lamang po nating ipunto dito, hindi naman po natin po pwedeng laging ituro na CPBRD ang nag-head o nagsispearhead ng maganyang reformang o aktibidad. asr-004966 05:32:07.300 --> 05:32:15.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Dapat po ang mismong Committee on Appropriations ang siyang nangunguna at nagtitiyak na ang ating mga kasama sa civil society organizations asr-004967 05:32:15.140 --> 05:32:20.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay nagiging kabahagi o aktibong kabahagi ng pagbabalangkas ng ating pambansang budget. asr-004968 05:32:21.860 --> 05:32:23.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-004969 05:32:23.680 --> 05:32:47.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: will the Sponsor accept an amendment at the appropriate time requiring that the detailed breakdown of every lump sum appropriation including the LGSF and the FALGU be published in machine readable form under the Unified Accounts Code Structure at the time the National Expenditure Program is transmitted to Congress? asr-004970 05:32:51.860 --> 05:32:55.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We will hear it at the proper time, Madam Speaker. asr-004971 05:32:55.960 --> 05:33:05.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We will hear it during the proper time, during the deliberations po, as to which amendment the Honorable San Fernando wants to put forth. asr-004972 05:33:05.720 --> 05:33:07.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-004973 05:33:07.960 --> 05:33:16.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Table 8.6 of the Budget Expenditure and Sources of Financing was released as an image rather than as data. asr-004974 05:33:16.440 --> 05:33:21.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Was that a deliberate choice and can the DBM be directed to reissue the entire DBM? asr-004975 05:33:21.860 --> 05:33:28.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The majority of the budget, the NEP and the BESF in a machine readable format before this bill is put to a vote. asr-004976 05:33:28.880 --> 05:33:30.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-004977 05:33:31.320 --> 05:33:39.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We'll take a look at it po, given that the HGAB is a reflection, is a mirror image of the National Expenditure Program. asr-004978 05:33:40.020 --> 05:33:44.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we are checking po with DBM as they are the source for that particular table. asr-004979 05:33:45.220 --> 05:33:47.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Give me a few seconds po to confer with DBM. asr-004980 05:33:49.260 --> 05:33:51.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May we clarify lang po, Madam Speaker. asr-004981 05:33:51.860 --> 05:33:54.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Which table number is it po alet? asr-004982 05:33:55.960 --> 05:33:59.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Table 8.6 of the BESF. asr-004983 05:34:02.140 --> 05:34:09.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So pwede po bang i-direct natin ang DBM to issue the entirety of the budget, the NEP and BESF in machine read? asr-004984 05:34:09.280 --> 05:34:13.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Actually, matagal na pong problema ito ng mga CSOs, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-004985 05:34:14.200 --> 05:34:19.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Hindi po machine readable yung format ng mga dokumento natin, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-004986 05:34:19.740 --> 05:34:21.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The uploaded version po. asr-004987 05:34:21.860 --> 05:34:24.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tine-check po, tine-test po ni Sec Kim ngayon. asr-004988 05:34:24.980 --> 05:34:28.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The uploaded version is actually copyable. asr-004989 05:34:29.160 --> 05:34:32.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It's not an image. It's a table po. asr-004990 05:34:32.600 --> 05:34:36.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So our partners from CSOs will just confirm that. asr-004991 05:34:36.680 --> 05:34:39.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po if the good secretary has confirmed that. asr-004992 05:34:39.020 --> 05:34:44.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We'll just take a look po if whether when it was translated in the soft copy of the GAB, asr-004993 05:34:44.960 --> 05:34:49.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: whether the same table was lifted as is or it was converted to an image. asr-004994 05:34:50.780 --> 05:34:51.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ado po. asr-004995 05:34:51.860 --> 05:34:52.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi sinasadya. asr-004996 05:34:53.000 --> 05:34:54.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-004997 05:34:55.760 --> 05:34:58.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Proceeding to my next question, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-004998 05:34:58.400 --> 05:35:04.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Section 106 allows the Commission on Audit until 31st October of the following year asr-004999 05:35:04.560 --> 05:35:11.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to publish annual audit reports which is after the budget hearings for the succeeding year have concluded. asr-005000 05:35:12.000 --> 05:35:17.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In the appropriate time, will the sponsor accept an amendment advancing that deadline asr-005001 05:35:17.660 --> 05:35:21.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: so that the audited record of the preceding year is available? asr-005002 05:35:21.860 --> 05:35:26.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: While we are still deliberating, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-005003 05:35:26.380 --> 05:35:31.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Madam Speaker, I would be happy to hear that at the proper time. asr-005004 05:35:31.640 --> 05:35:34.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually, that was something that I advocated for last year. asr-005005 05:35:34.460 --> 05:35:39.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If you would remember, during the budget deliberations of COA, it was later. asr-005006 05:35:39.560 --> 05:35:41.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Dati po, December 31. asr-005007 05:35:42.720 --> 05:35:48.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero, ado po, we negotiated po kasi with COA kung ano talaga yung kaya nila asr-005008 05:35:48.960 --> 05:35:50.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because there are also deadlines. asr-005009 05:35:50.580 --> 05:35:56.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: From the agencies and then may consolidation pa po on the part of COA. asr-005010 05:35:56.560 --> 05:36:02.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, at that time, last year, the best that they can commit was October 31 asr-005011 05:36:02.580 --> 05:36:08.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and whichever becomes available by September 31, they would publish or transmit right away. asr-005012 05:36:08.500 --> 05:36:10.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, actually, po sinubukan ko din po yun. asr-005013 05:36:10.880 --> 05:36:19.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I actually requested last year kung kaya sana by July 30 or July 1 before the NEP is transmitted to us. asr-005014 05:36:19.480 --> 05:36:20.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But at that time, asr-005015 05:36:20.460 --> 05:36:23.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there were certain logistical limitations on the part of COA. asr-005016 05:36:24.040 --> 05:36:29.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But I'm with you on that po because I tried last year also to move up the timeline by a lot. asr-005017 05:36:30.340 --> 05:36:32.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-005018 05:36:32.720 --> 05:36:36.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At nagkatagpo po kami ni Madam Sponsor on that particular issue. asr-005019 05:36:36.920 --> 05:36:39.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Last question before I wind up, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-005020 05:36:40.960 --> 05:36:45.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Interpolation on the office of the President was suspended by a vote of 37-5 asr-005021 05:36:45.860 --> 05:36:49.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on parliamentary courtesy asr-005022 05:36:49.460 --> 05:36:50.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and the question is, asr-005023 05:36:50.460 --> 05:36:56.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: questions on 4.55 billion in confidential and intelligence funds when unasked. asr-005024 05:36:57.260 --> 05:37:03.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: On what constitutional basis can a custom of courtesy defeat the duty of this Chamber asr-005025 05:37:03.220 --> 05:37:09.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to examine an appropriation and will those questions be answered in writing asr-005026 05:37:09.140 --> 05:37:15.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or even in this plenary discussion before the bill is passed, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker? asr-005027 05:37:16.240 --> 05:37:19.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, most definitely po. asr-005028 05:37:19.880 --> 05:37:26.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We will be able to assure there is a plenary deliberation for the office of the President asr-005029 05:37:26.480 --> 05:37:38.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and all of our colleagues who wish to propound questions has the time to ask the budget sponsor for the office of the President. asr-005030 05:37:38.460 --> 05:37:46.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So lahat po ng katanungan pwede po maitanong dito po sa deliberation ng office of the President sa plenaryo at the proper time. asr-005031 05:37:46.080 --> 05:37:48.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-005032 05:37:49.880 --> 05:37:53.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Last note, before I end my interpellation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-005033 05:37:53.800 --> 05:38:00.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: gusto ko lang pong bigyang diin yung pinag-usapan po natin kanina tungkol sa mga reformang naumpisahan asr-005034 05:38:00.060 --> 05:38:06.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at inuumpisahan patungkol sa partisipasyon ng mamamayan sa pagbalangkas po ng ating budget. asr-005035 05:38:07.060 --> 05:38:11.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, hindi po po pwede na lagi po nating sinasabi asr-005036 05:38:11.720 --> 05:38:16.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na transparent ang buong proseso ng pagbalangkas o paggawa ng budget asr-005037 05:38:16.200 --> 05:38:19.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at nililimitahan lang natin ito sa pamamagitan na, asr-005038 05:38:19.880 --> 05:38:22.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: naka-livestream yung mga proceedings. asr-005039 05:38:23.080 --> 05:38:26.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Transparency, accountability, and citizens' participation go hand-in-hand. asr-005040 05:38:27.540 --> 05:38:31.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At matitiyak lang po natin na tunay na may participation ang ating mamamayan asr-005041 05:38:31.920 --> 05:38:35.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung sila po ay mismong kalahok kasama nating nagbabalangkas asr-005042 05:38:35.640 --> 05:38:41.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: because the ultimate beneficiary, and as the Honorable Late Edsel Agman has said, asr-005043 05:38:41.760 --> 05:38:48.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the ultimate beneficiary or casualty of whatever we are deliberating upon here in this August Chamber asr-005044 05:38:48.720 --> 05:38:49.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay ang asr-005045 05:38:49.860 --> 05:38:55.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mga mamamayan at ang mamamayang Pilipino, mga manggagawa, at ordinaryong Pilipino. asr-005046 05:38:55.100 --> 05:39:01.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun lamang po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, maraming salamat po sa ating sponsor sa pagsagot sa mga katanungan, asr-005047 05:39:01.240 --> 05:39:04.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lalong-lalo na ng ating mga CSOs and POs. Maraming salamat po. asr-005048 05:39:05.560 --> 05:39:10.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Thank you very much to our distinguished colleague, the Honorable Elie San Fernando. asr-005049 05:39:10.900 --> 05:39:11.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Majority Leader. asr-005050 05:39:12.580 --> 05:39:19.100 Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable Rene Luis M. Co. from Partylist Kabataan. asr-005051 05:39:19.860 --> 05:39:25.780 Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: To interpolate on the debate on general principles and provisions. asr-005052 05:39:26.740 --> 05:39:33.020 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none, Representative Rene Luis Co. of Partylist Kabataan is recognized. asr-005053 05:39:33.020 --> 05:39:38.660 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Madam Speaker, and good afternoon to our distinguished colleague. asr-005054 05:39:39.260 --> 05:39:48.180 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: I'd just like to pick up on the earlier interpolations of our colleagues on LGSF and even on the BDP. asr-005055 05:39:48.980 --> 05:39:49.620 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, asr-005056 05:39:49.860 --> 05:39:56.100 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Distinguished colleague, why do we have this funding mechanism where specific LGUs have an entitled allotment asr-005057 05:39:56.100 --> 05:39:59.560 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: then they can have a menu of items they can choose from? asr-005058 05:39:59.560 --> 05:40:11.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: My concern is, won't this be prone to abuse depending on the priorities of the executive head of government asr-005059 05:40:11.480 --> 05:40:16.240 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that is elected and can change per electoral cycle? asr-005060 05:40:16.980 --> 05:40:19.560 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Why not just allocate these funds accordingly? asr-005061 05:40:19.860 --> 05:40:24.220 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Regarding to what is programmed in Master Plans instead? asr-005062 05:40:38.820 --> 05:40:48.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, perhaps if I may suggest po, if we could differentiate the different items asr-005063 05:40:48.920 --> 05:40:49.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or different plans. asr-005064 05:40:49.860 --> 05:41:10.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For example, there's a menu that is approved by Congress during every Ga'a as to what the menu would be for those particular items. asr-005065 05:41:10.780 --> 05:41:16.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, there are certain programs na meron na po talaga silang intended use. asr-005066 05:41:16.520 --> 05:41:19.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For example, NTF-ELCAC. asr-005067 05:41:19.860 --> 05:41:26.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Talagang may identified lang po talaga na qualified barangays na pwede sa NTF-ELCAC. asr-005068 05:41:26.480 --> 05:41:31.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For the Growth Equity Fund, it's limited to 4th and 5th class municipalities asr-005069 05:41:31.400 --> 05:41:37.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who may have deficits even after the NTA allotment is provided. asr-005070 05:41:37.060 --> 05:41:49.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, actually po, the disbursement of the LGSF is actually governed by the special provision on LGSF. asr-005071 05:41:49.860 --> 05:41:57.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, every Ga'a po, actually, posibleng magpalit yung menu ng Falgo, for example. asr-005072 05:41:57.320 --> 05:42:02.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But for NTF-ELCAC and for Growth Equity Fund, may intended use po talaga sila. asr-005073 05:42:02.720 --> 05:42:08.560 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, as much as this representation would like to put trust asr-005074 05:42:08.560 --> 05:42:19.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: on the implementation of supposedly these standards, these mechanisms that should check whether the funding for specific local projects asr-005075 05:42:19.860 --> 05:42:31.520 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: are followed, we have on record a discussion, an admission from a Secretary for last year when I asked during the asr-005076 05:42:31.520 --> 05:42:40.100 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: discussions on the Department of Agriculture's budget proposal in 2026, this good Secretary admitted that asr-005077 05:42:40.100 --> 05:42:49.080 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: even though there's already a national plan for farm-to-market roads, it is still the congressmen who dictate which roads will be built asr-005078 05:42:49.080 --> 05:42:49.700 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: depending on whose lobbying will be granted. asr-005082 05:42:49.860 --> 05:42:58.860 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And for this fiscal year, 2026, we saw that Region 1 was given the greatest allocation. asr-005083 05:42:59.520 --> 05:43:05.580 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, even though we see that there are standards provided in law, asr-005084 05:43:05.640 --> 05:43:11.040 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: they can differ, that there could be special provisions in different types of fundings, asr-005085 05:43:11.120 --> 05:43:19.840 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: whether that be LGSF or NTF-ELCAC, which I will go to a bit later, how do we ensure that these standards are met? asr-005086 05:43:19.840 --> 05:43:27.600 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: given that there are admissions from our members of different agencies that they're not really followed? asr-005087 05:43:27.860 --> 05:43:29.040 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor. asr-005088 05:43:34.720 --> 05:43:43.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, in the case of LGSF, for example, Falgo, it is highly dependent on the LGUs. asr-005089 05:43:43.840 --> 05:43:49.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, it really depends on which LGUs submit project proposals into the portal. asr-005090 05:43:49.800 --> 05:43:58.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, the evaluation and the determination as to which LGUs would receive projects asr-005091 05:43:58.180 --> 05:44:04.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is solely at the discretion of the DBM based on specific criteria and evaluation requirements. asr-005092 05:44:05.980 --> 05:44:17.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, pagdating po sa LGSF, actually, wala po talaga, aside from Congress laying out which menu items would be allowable for that year, asr-005093 05:44:17.920 --> 05:44:24.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it's really in the purview of DBM to receive proposals from the local government units asr-005094 05:44:24.900 --> 05:44:28.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and to evaluate them and ultimately determine which projects will be funded. asr-005095 05:44:29.220 --> 05:44:32.920 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, is the answer, Madam Speaker, that at least for LGSF, asr-005096 05:44:34.840 --> 05:44:42.940 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: there are, well, the protection is that DBM will eventually be the one to release that funding, asr-005097 05:44:42.940 --> 05:44:45.200 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and approve certain projects. asr-005098 05:44:45.200 --> 05:44:54.240 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: After the lump sum is granted, but that's only for LGSF, in particular, Madam Speaker. asr-005099 05:44:55.240 --> 05:44:59.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Particularly po for LGSF Falgo, based on the menu and asr-005100 05:45:00.000 --> 05:45:02.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: put forth, set forth asr-005101 05:45:02.540 --> 05:45:04.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the GAA as well as the criteria asr-005102 05:45:04.740 --> 05:45:05.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for evaluation. asr-005103 05:45:06.800 --> 05:45:08.840 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, I'd like to asr-005104 05:45:08.840 --> 05:45:10.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: relate to asr-005105 05:45:10.480 --> 05:45:12.680 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and LGSF also asr-005106 05:45:12.680 --> 05:45:14.700 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: nabanggit na nakalign item asr-005107 05:45:14.700 --> 05:45:16.740 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ang funds para sa Barangay Development asr-005108 05:45:16.740 --> 05:45:18.620 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Program or BDP asr-005109 05:45:18.620 --> 05:45:20.880 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ng NTF-ELCAC. Tama po ba asr-005110 05:45:20.880 --> 05:45:21.560 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker? asr-005111 05:45:25.180 --> 05:45:26.720 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Nakalign item po ang funds asr-005112 05:45:26.720 --> 05:45:28.640 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: para sa Barangay Development Program. asr-005113 05:45:30.000 --> 05:45:44.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, what we have asr-005114 05:45:44.640 --> 05:45:47.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as an annex in the asr-005115 05:45:47.260 --> 05:45:49.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: NEP and also in the asr-005116 05:45:49.000 --> 05:45:50.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: HGAB is the list of asr-005117 05:45:50.860 --> 05:45:52.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: cleared barangays who are qualified asr-005118 05:45:52.800 --> 05:45:54.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to receive NTF-ELCAC asr-005119 05:45:54.960 --> 05:45:56.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for a particular year. asr-005120 05:45:56.780 --> 05:45:59.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So yes, in effect po, nakalign item po asr-005121 05:45:59.020 --> 05:45:59.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga recipient. asr-005122 05:46:00.000 --> 05:46:01.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It's now NTF-ELCAC. asr-005123 05:46:01.800 --> 05:46:03.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor. asr-005124 05:46:03.700 --> 05:46:06.120 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: I'm hearing a confirmation that in the asr-005125 05:46:06.120 --> 05:46:07.680 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: NEP and later in the GAA, asr-005126 05:46:08.160 --> 05:46:10.100 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ang line items na ito ay listahan asr-005127 05:46:10.100 --> 05:46:12.100 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: lang ng lahat ng mga barangay asr-005128 05:46:12.100 --> 05:46:13.940 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: na beneficiary ng BDP. asr-005129 05:46:14.460 --> 05:46:16.580 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Pero lopsang pa rin po ba siya? asr-005130 05:46:16.960 --> 05:46:18.420 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor. asr-005131 05:46:18.920 --> 05:46:20.360 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Last year, 10 million each asr-005132 05:46:20.360 --> 05:46:21.940 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: for 808 barangays asr-005133 05:46:21.940 --> 05:46:24.300 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and for the next fiscal year, 5 billion asr-005134 05:46:24.300 --> 05:46:26.000 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: each for 1,948 asr-005135 05:46:26.760 --> 05:46:28.180 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: barangays. Is this correct, asr-005136 05:46:28.180 --> 05:46:28.700 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker? asr-005137 05:46:30.000 --> 05:46:32.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-005138 05:46:32.220 --> 05:46:33.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Technically, if you look at it asr-005139 05:46:33.920 --> 05:46:36.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the item of asr-005140 05:46:36.060 --> 05:46:39.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for ALGU, asr-005141 05:46:39.840 --> 05:46:41.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocation for LGUs, asr-005142 05:46:41.940 --> 05:46:43.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: technically lump sum po siya doon. asr-005143 05:46:43.880 --> 05:46:46.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But in the annex of the GAA, asr-005144 05:46:46.720 --> 05:46:48.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there is a list, asr-005145 05:46:48.860 --> 05:46:49.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a supporting table asr-005146 05:46:49.900 --> 05:46:51.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which lists all the asr-005147 05:46:51.940 --> 05:46:53.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: beneficiary barangays. asr-005148 05:46:54.100 --> 05:46:55.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Uniform naman po kasi yung amount asr-005149 05:46:55.980 --> 05:46:57.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na nare-receive per barangay. asr-005150 05:46:57.960 --> 05:46:59.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So naka-detail out po siya. asr-005151 05:47:00.000 --> 05:47:01.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So it's lump sum in its presentation asr-005152 05:47:01.760 --> 05:47:04.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the main body of the budget. asr-005153 05:47:04.540 --> 05:47:06.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But it has an annex that asr-005154 05:47:06.060 --> 05:47:07.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shows the line items, asr-005155 05:47:07.980 --> 05:47:09.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: essentially the full list of beneficiaries. asr-005156 05:47:11.180 --> 05:47:11.780 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, asr-005157 05:47:11.900 --> 05:47:13.280 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: distinguished sponsor, asr-005158 05:47:13.800 --> 05:47:15.880 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: gaya po ng tanong natin sa LGSF, asr-005159 05:47:16.260 --> 05:47:17.800 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ano-ano nga ba ang standards asr-005160 05:47:17.800 --> 05:47:19.900 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and safeguards natin para sa asr-005161 05:47:19.900 --> 05:47:22.120 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: pondong ito? Ang nakasulat lang po asr-005162 05:47:22.120 --> 05:47:24.160 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sa special provision on BDP, asr-005163 05:47:24.740 --> 05:47:25.920 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: quote-unquote, cleared asr-005164 05:47:25.920 --> 05:47:27.940 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: barangays as certified by the asr-005165 05:47:27.940 --> 05:47:29.980 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: NTFL cap. Pero ano nga ba? asr-005166 05:47:29.980 --> 05:47:31.500 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Ano ba ang mga pamantayan para masabing asr-005167 05:47:31.500 --> 05:47:33.180 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: cleared ang isang barangay? asr-005168 05:47:33.540 --> 05:47:36.080 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Simply put, Madam Speaker, what constitutes asr-005169 05:47:36.080 --> 05:47:37.180 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: a cleared barangay? asr-005170 05:47:52.320 --> 05:47:54.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, asr-005171 05:47:54.500 --> 05:47:56.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the identification of asr-005172 05:47:56.160 --> 05:47:57.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these cleared barangays is actually asr-005173 05:47:57.940 --> 05:47:59.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the purview of the DILG. asr-005174 05:47:59.980 --> 05:48:01.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The asr-005175 05:48:01.020 --> 05:48:04.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: condition or criteria being asr-005176 05:48:04.160 --> 05:48:06.160 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that the target beneficiary LGUs asr-005177 05:48:06.160 --> 05:48:07.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the LGSF asr-005178 05:48:07.900 --> 05:48:09.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SBDP or the NTFL asr-005179 05:48:09.860 --> 05:48:11.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are the cleared barangays which asr-005180 05:48:11.780 --> 05:48:13.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: underwent community asr-005181 05:48:13.700 --> 05:48:15.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: support program or CSP asr-005182 05:48:15.840 --> 05:48:18.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and retooled CSP in asr-005183 05:48:18.020 --> 05:48:20.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: calendar year 2026. asr-005184 05:48:20.580 --> 05:48:21.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So meron pong asr-005185 05:48:21.420 --> 05:48:24.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: specific conditions na kailangan asr-005186 05:48:24.080 --> 05:48:26.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po nila ma-meet as per LCAC. asr-005187 05:48:27.900 --> 05:48:28.160 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: These asr-005188 05:48:28.160 --> 05:48:29.760 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: CSPs, Madam Speaker, good asr-005189 05:48:29.980 --> 05:48:31.440 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sponsor, dapat po noong asr-005190 05:48:31.440 --> 05:48:35.960 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: 2026 ay naisagawa nila, asr-005191 05:48:36.220 --> 05:48:36.720 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker. asr-005192 05:48:37.460 --> 05:48:39.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, asr-005193 05:48:39.420 --> 05:48:41.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for them to be considered a cleared asr-005194 05:48:41.280 --> 05:48:43.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: barangay for inclusion in the asr-005195 05:48:43.440 --> 05:48:45.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 NEP, kailangan asr-005196 05:48:45.640 --> 05:48:47.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po na gawa po nila asr-005197 05:48:47.860 --> 05:48:49.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung CSP at retooled CSP asr-005198 05:48:49.580 --> 05:48:51.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng calendar year 2026. asr-005199 05:48:52.000 --> 05:48:53.580 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Saan po nakalista, Madam Speaker, asr-005200 05:48:53.720 --> 05:48:55.700 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: good sponsor, kung ano pong listahan asr-005201 05:48:55.700 --> 05:48:57.860 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ng mga community support programs na ito? asr-005202 05:48:59.980 --> 05:49:18.000 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Because Madam Speaker, even the answer just that dapat naka-undergo sila ng CSPs still puts into question ano po ba siya and hindi pa nakukomplete yung answer kung ano po ba yung criteria na ito, Madam Speaker. asr-005203 05:49:18.000 --> 05:49:40.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, we're just looking at it kasi sa special provision po ng NTF-LCAC, meron ng mga qualified programs under CSP. So may menu din po yung CSP. We're just looking for it po as a special provision to NTF-LCAC. asr-005204 05:49:40.680 --> 05:49:41.440 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-005205 05:49:41.440 --> 05:49:44.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Please give us a few seconds, Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague. asr-005206 05:49:48.000 --> 05:49:49.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ... asr-005207 05:50:18.000 --> 05:50:43.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, my apologies. I would like to clarify my answer earlier. So ang nagsasagawa po ng CSP is DILG. So they conduct the community support program with the different target beneficiary barangays in order for them to determine which of the projects are best suited for that particular barangay. asr-005208 05:50:43.640 --> 05:50:47.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tapos yung particular menu po na yun. asr-005209 05:50:48.000 --> 05:51:01.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun yung farm-to-market roads, school building, water and sanitation system, health stations, and electrification. So the whole process of conducting the CSP lies with DILG po. Wala pong visibility yung DBM. asr-005210 05:51:02.800 --> 05:51:17.900 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor, na-mention nga po kung ano yung mga CSPs na yun lang po dapat yung saklaw ng BDP. However, sa website po ng NTF-LCAC kung saan pwede pong ilista. asr-005211 05:51:18.000 --> 05:51:47.120 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Yung mga BDPs na naimplementa, meron din daw housing or reconstruction at livelihood projects without breakdown of which barangays implemented what. It therefore begs the question, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, saan-saan nga ba napunta ang pondo na ito? Natatapos ba ang mga proyekto na ito sa ilalim ng BDP? O tulad ba ito ng ghost or substandard projects na natimbog po natin last year? asr-005212 05:51:48.000 --> 05:52:14.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, the report as to where the funds went and what programs or projects each barangay got is actually being generated and maintained po by DILG. And that particular report is available in their Subay Bayan portal. So may full list po ng lahat po ng mga projects na napondohan under NTF-LCAC. asr-005213 05:52:14.280 --> 05:52:15.680 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Yes po, Madam Speaker. asr-005214 05:52:18.000 --> 05:52:44.180 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Sa website, there are items there that are not provided for in that special provision or in the classification of CSPs. As I mentioned po, there's housing, there's reconstruction, and it is not contemplated in the list provided by the good sponsor which said that may form to market roads, school building, water and sanitation system, health stations, and electrification. asr-005215 05:52:44.180 --> 05:52:47.980 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So saan po nanggaling yung ibang mga items na ito? asr-005216 05:52:48.000 --> 05:53:07.080 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And ano yung role po ng DBM or ng DBCC to ensure na kung ano lang po yung nakalagay sa special provision, yun po yung na-implementa? Kung meron pong nakalista na hindi po nasa loob ng CSP, ano pong karampatang aksyon ang magawa para po macheck kung tama po yung funding? asr-005217 05:53:07.400 --> 05:53:12.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po for bringing up that point, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague. asr-005218 05:53:12.780 --> 05:53:17.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually, nabanggit din po ng DBM yun na yung monitoring po. asr-005219 05:53:18.000 --> 05:53:35.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kapat ay nasa DILG, reporting sa kanila. But also, it should be part of the COA audit report. Kung may nakita po na mga proyekto na na-implement na wala po doon sa menu na sinet, kailangan po makall yung attention. asr-005220 05:53:35.640 --> 05:53:46.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So thank you very much po to our distinguished colleague for bringing that up. We can relay that also to DILG and COA to look into these items po. asr-005221 05:53:46.860 --> 05:54:15.500 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But to clarify, thank you for answering that. If ever there is feedback on that, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, if it can be written, this representation would like a copy of the feedback kung ano pong explanation kung bakit may ganitong mga items listed sa website na wala naman po sa mga nalistang CSPs. If that's possible, Madam Speaker, good sponsor. asr-005222 05:54:15.500 --> 05:54:35.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague. That would be possible. We'll just have to coordinate with COA and DILG with regard to that. Because as of now po, as per DBM, wala po pong nare-receive na report yung DBM with regard to this. So once available po, we'll share it with our distinguished colleague. asr-005223 05:54:35.700 --> 05:54:45.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But to clarify, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, kapag sabi ng barangay na ito ay nasa ilalim or naisip, asr-005224 05:54:45.500 --> 05:55:12.260 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: na isagawa yung CSP and therefore they can qualify for funding ng BDP for 2027, ano po ang therefore nakukuha ng DBM para po ma-authorize na sila po ay pwedeng makakuha ng funding ulit for BDP? It's just a list of barangays? Is that the limitation of the visibility of DBM, Madam Speaker, good sponsor? asr-005225 05:55:15.500 --> 05:55:45.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague. Even though they're listed separately already in the GAA, at the point of release, kailangan po ulit magsumite ng DILG sa DBM ng patunay. Essentially, they endorse which of the qualified barangays actually already went the CSP and meron ng identified project and plansyado na po lahat ng requirements. asr-005226 05:55:45.500 --> 05:55:50.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And only then will DBM release the funding for that particular project. asr-005227 05:55:51.140 --> 05:56:15.380 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: We raise these questions, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, because the NTF-ELCAC, since its establishment and has also been notorious in its reputation internationally, it targets unarmed civilians, progressives, and activists. Kahit po igiit na issued by the DBM in coordination with the NTF-ELCAC and limited po ang visibility ng DBM, asr-005228 05:56:15.500 --> 05:56:33.080 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sa certifications in relation to BDM funds na wala rin pong nahawakan na pera ang NTF-ELCAC mismo, it is upon us as the branch of government with the power of the purse to question where the budget goes. asr-005229 05:56:33.080 --> 05:56:45.420 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Hindi natin kinakwestiyon ng pag-unlad o grassroots development. We actually want that, Madam Speaker, good sponsor. What we do not want is conditional development that the BDP of the NTF-ELCAC shows. asr-005230 05:56:45.500 --> 05:56:49.560 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: O kailangan cleared ka muna bago ka makakakuha ng pondo. asr-005231 05:56:49.980 --> 05:57:00.000 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And this representation will move at the proper time to amend the HGAB for the abolition of the BDP and the transferring of the funding directly to schools, housing, and the like. asr-005232 05:57:00.000 --> 05:57:13.600 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Because this representation, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, is not convinced that the scheme that is being implemented now, wherein DBM has limited visibility para macheck pong ano pong effectivity, asr-005233 05:57:13.600 --> 05:57:31.240 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and even yung qualification ng CSP supposedly na nakuha ng previous barangay cleared that entitles them to funding now, should allow for more billions to be funneled in this way. asr-005234 05:57:31.640 --> 05:57:36.040 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Kung pwede naman pong nakaayon po ito sa master plan, Madam Speaker, good sponsor. asr-005235 05:57:36.960 --> 05:57:41.520 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor, if there's no response, I'd like to move on to my next line of questioning. asr-005236 05:57:41.520 --> 05:57:42.520 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker. asr-005237 05:57:43.600 --> 05:57:47.100 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor, this is now about confidential funds. asr-005238 05:57:47.940 --> 05:57:55.360 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Article 2, Section 28 of the 1987 Constitution says that subject to reasonable conditions prescribed by law, asr-005239 05:57:55.900 --> 05:58:03.440 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: the state adopts and implements a policy of full public disclosure of all its transactions involving public interest. asr-005240 05:58:03.960 --> 05:58:11.400 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: While Article 3, Section 7 states the right of the people to information on matters of public concern shall be recognized. asr-005241 05:58:11.860 --> 05:58:13.400 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: However, the General Assembly... asr-005242 05:58:13.600 --> 05:58:26.320 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: The General Principles and Provisions of House Bill 10585 again authorize lump sum confidential and intelligence appropriations across various agencies of the national government. asr-005243 05:58:26.320 --> 05:58:39.300 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And under Joint Circular No. 2015-01 between DBMs, COA, and other agencies, disbursements from these funds are supported by documentary evidence kept in sealed envelopes. asr-005244 05:58:39.860 --> 05:58:43.520 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Liquidation is subjected only to post-audit by the COA. asr-005246 05:58:43.580 --> 05:58:50.060 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: The COA Intelligence and Confidential Fund Audit Unit and a notice of this allowance may be issued years after the fact. asr-005247 05:58:50.600 --> 05:59:01.400 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: A delay now glaringly exposed as the impeachment proceedings reveal questionable confidential fund disbursements that escape timely scrutiny. asr-005248 05:59:02.320 --> 05:59:12.600 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Can the sponsor therefore explain the wisdom of retaining confidential fund provisions in the 2027 GAB and its general principles asr-005249 05:59:12.600 --> 05:59:13.500 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: when the existing... asr-005250 05:59:13.500 --> 05:59:25.760 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: When the existing audit architecture inherently guarantees that illegal or unconstitutional spending can remain concealed for years, defeating the constitutional demand for public accountability, Madam Speaker? asr-005251 05:59:43.500 --> 05:59:57.600 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: When the existing audit architecture inherently guarantees that illegal or unconstitutional spending can remain concealed for years, defeating the constitutional demand for public accountability, Madam Speaker? asr-005252 05:59:57.600 --> 06:00:00.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, the... asr-005253 06:00:00.000 --> 06:00:26.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The basis for essentially which outlines the guidelines for allotment of confidential intelligence funds or essentially outlines who are allowed to avail of confidential intelligence funds is outlined in the COA, DBM, DILG, GECG, and DND Joint Circular Number 2015-01. asr-005254 06:00:26.680 --> 06:00:45.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there, in Section 4.0, it says that the following are entitled to confidential funds and intelligence funds. So kung iisa-isahin po ba natin, there are… asr-005255 06:00:45.960 --> 06:00:53.920 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor, perhaps no need for that because the good secretary already did that during the budget briefing. asr-005256 06:00:53.920 --> 06:00:55.920 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But I am asking, Madam Speaker… asr-005257 06:00:56.680 --> 06:01:12.840 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: For the wisdom of the continuing grant of confidential expenses, despite the exposure of the currently flawed architecture that allows the disbursement of confidential expenses, asr-005258 06:01:12.840 --> 06:01:23.040 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: but when there are illegal or abusive expenses, it can take years before it can be exposed, asr-005259 06:01:23.820 --> 06:01:25.840 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: which by then, lumabas. asr-005260 06:01:26.680 --> 06:01:34.520 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Lumabas na yung funding. Sana na po napunta sa ibang mas deserving na items, but nonetheless, ay pinunta po sa confidential funds. asr-005261 06:01:35.000 --> 06:01:41.780 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: This is the topic of the daily political diet of Filipinos. Bakit may confidential funds? asr-005262 06:01:42.320 --> 06:01:48.820 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So we have an opportunity to engage it in this budget, but it's still here, Madam Speaker, good sponsor. asr-005263 06:01:49.820 --> 06:01:55.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, if you would look at the NEP, asr-005264 06:01:56.680 --> 06:02:07.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the 2027 NEP, yung whichever agencies had COA findings relating to their confidential and intelligence funds, asr-005265 06:02:07.660 --> 06:02:13.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: wala pong inalocate na CIF sa loob po na 2027 NEP. asr-005266 06:02:13.480 --> 06:02:26.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The agencies that were given continuing confidential or intelligence funds are those that really have mandates relating to national security. asr-005267 06:02:26.680 --> 06:02:45.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, doon po sa ating budget, ang meron lang po is DOF, BOC, DILG-OSEC, DILG-PNP, DOJ-OSEC, DOJ-NBI, AMLAC, ARTA, DND, and DOTR. asr-005268 06:02:45.000 --> 06:02:54.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, and the Office of the President. asr-005269 06:02:54.500 --> 06:02:56.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun lang po. Linimitahan naman na po. asr-005270 06:02:56.680 --> 06:03:05.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yung bilang ng mga ahensya, sinigurado po ng DBM sa pagbuo po ng 2027 NEP, asr-005271 06:03:05.160 --> 06:03:10.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: natangin yung mga ahensya lang po talaga na may mandato na related po sa, asr-005272 06:03:11.100 --> 06:03:16.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na pwede pong lagyan ng kaukalang CIF yung kanila po ninagyan sa budget. asr-005273 06:03:17.800 --> 06:03:22.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And no increase po, sorry. Much lower than it was in the previous year. asr-005274 06:03:22.420 --> 06:03:24.160 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor. asr-005275 06:03:24.160 --> 06:03:31.220 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, perhaps we still need to sharply interrogate whose security is actually being served asr-005276 06:03:31.220 --> 06:03:35.940 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in the grant of the confidential expenses of the various agencies mentioned, asr-005277 06:03:36.360 --> 06:03:41.100 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: but we will reserve those questions to the agencies that are in question. asr-005278 06:03:41.540 --> 06:03:46.160 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But nonetheless, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, the answer I'm hearing is that, asr-005279 06:03:46.660 --> 06:03:53.160 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yes, there were, there's proof, and nakita natin kung paano naabuso yung confidential expenses. asr-005280 06:03:54.160 --> 06:03:58.880 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, now we mitigated it by ensuring that in the next budget cycle, asr-005281 06:03:59.220 --> 06:04:02.820 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yung mga nararapat na lang yung pwedeng gastahan. asr-005282 06:04:03.380 --> 06:04:08.220 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, am I interpreting it correctly that, right now, asr-005283 06:04:08.520 --> 06:04:16.620 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: there is no mechanism to ensure non-abusive confidential fund spending asr-005284 06:04:16.620 --> 06:04:23.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: other than by leaving it to COA when it receives its audit agency reports asr-005285 06:04:23.480 --> 06:04:24.140 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and submits it to the agency? asr-005293 06:04:25.680 --> 06:04:34.020 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And to mitigate it in the next budget cycle when an anomaly has been discovered, asr-005294 06:04:34.020 --> 06:04:36.180 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: which can happen, you know, years later. asr-005295 06:04:36.680 --> 06:04:42.260 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Are there no mechanisms in place that DBCC or the DBM can exercise asr-005296 06:04:42.260 --> 06:04:45.360 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: other than what I've specified, Madam Speaker, good sponsor? asr-005297 06:04:45.360 --> 06:04:54.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, yes, the DBCC family recognizes that point, asr-005298 06:04:54.160 --> 06:05:00.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that at this point, there are, nandun lang po, nasa level lang po nang kuha. asr-005299 06:05:01.260 --> 06:05:07.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It's really like a post-audit arrangement in terms of CIF. asr-005300 06:05:08.360 --> 06:05:10.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun po, we recognize that point. asr-005301 06:05:10.480 --> 06:05:15.340 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, there are no preventive mechanisms in place asr-005302 06:05:15.340 --> 06:05:18.640 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in the existing rules, like in the 2015 Joint Circular, asr-005303 06:05:19.060 --> 06:05:21.920 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: where questionable plans for spending can be halted, asr-005304 06:05:21.980 --> 06:05:27.900 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: even though the Confidential Expenses Plan, or Annex A, asr-005305 06:05:28.120 --> 06:05:34.140 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: is already attached when the request for allocation of confidential expenses asr-005306 06:05:34.140 --> 06:05:37.340 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: is submitted to DBM, Madam Speaker, good sponsor. asr-005308 06:06:15.340 --> 06:06:19.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, upon conferring with DBM, asr-005309 06:06:20.200 --> 06:06:25.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so, the only thing that is submitted to them when the releases are requested asr-005310 06:06:25.640 --> 06:06:28.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is something like a physical and financial plan. asr-005311 06:06:28.640 --> 06:06:33.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And even the contents are very vague to the point that they're unable to detect asr-005312 06:06:33.900 --> 06:06:39.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at that stage whether there may be issues down the road. asr-005313 06:06:39.660 --> 06:06:43.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, admittedly po, because of the nature of the expenses themselves, asr-005314 06:06:43.960 --> 06:06:45.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: naka-sealed envelope. asr-005315 06:06:45.340 --> 06:06:48.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, they're not able to validate it at that point. asr-005316 06:06:48.680 --> 06:06:52.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, on the part of DBM, during the SARA release, asr-005317 06:06:52.460 --> 06:06:58.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: unfortunately, walang mechanism in place at the moment for them to be able to check. asr-005318 06:06:58.660 --> 06:07:02.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, it's really at the part of COA once they do the audit. asr-005319 06:07:03.340 --> 06:07:04.860 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor, asr-005320 06:07:06.280 --> 06:07:09.620 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: so, essentially, we hope that COA does a good job. asr-005321 06:07:09.620 --> 06:07:13.240 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But at the end of the day, this means that there can be years asr-005322 06:07:13.240 --> 06:07:14.620 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: wherein these disbursements, asr-005323 06:07:15.340 --> 06:07:21.340 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: these disbursements happen at kung naspotan ng COA asr-005324 06:07:21.340 --> 06:07:24.000 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yung anomalous spending, asr-005325 06:07:24.000 --> 06:07:27.200 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: dito lang po magsisimulang investigasyon asr-005326 06:07:27.200 --> 06:07:31.860 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: at dito po magkakaroon ng chance na matignan asr-005327 06:07:31.860 --> 06:07:35.100 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: at syempre yung pinakagusto nating mangyari, mabawi. asr-005328 06:07:35.100 --> 06:07:38.800 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, as it stands, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, asr-005329 06:07:38.800 --> 06:07:45.140 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: not only does this representation see that confidential expenses, confidential funds, asr-005330 06:07:45.340 --> 06:07:51.060 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: is not in line with our constitutional principles asr-005331 06:07:51.060 --> 06:07:54.760 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: of accountability, of transparency, asr-005332 06:07:55.340 --> 06:07:56.980 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: of full public disclosure, asr-005333 06:07:57.700 --> 06:08:02.660 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: of all the state's transactions involving public interests. asr-005334 06:08:02.860 --> 06:08:05.720 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: We also believe that confidential funds and expenses asr-005335 06:08:05.720 --> 06:08:07.500 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: are a relic of opaque governance asr-005336 06:08:07.500 --> 06:08:13.500 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that has no place after the misspending of them has been exposed. asr-005337 06:08:14.620 --> 06:08:15.180 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: The ongoing implications, asr-005338 06:08:15.340 --> 06:08:19.300 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: the impeachment proceedings expose how billions in confidential appropriations asr-005339 06:08:19.300 --> 06:08:22.880 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: were dispersed with zero real-time accountability, asr-005340 06:08:22.880 --> 06:08:27.840 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: shielded by sealed envelopes and post-audits that take years to surface. asr-005341 06:08:27.840 --> 06:08:31.060 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And I think this is not a mere technical flaw. asr-005342 06:08:31.060 --> 06:08:34.120 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: This can be a systemic weapon against the people's purse. asr-005343 06:08:34.120 --> 06:08:39.140 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: We heard that there are moves to amend the rules. asr-005344 06:08:39.140 --> 06:08:42.040 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So while we're waiting for that, asr-005345 06:08:42.040 --> 06:08:43.340 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: we're of the stance that there should be no confidential expenses. asr-005348 06:08:45.660 --> 06:08:47.320 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: In this budget, asr-005349 06:08:47.320 --> 06:08:49.560 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and it should be allocated instead, asr-005350 06:08:50.060 --> 06:08:52.280 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: to different services that our people asr-005351 06:08:52.280 --> 06:08:54.220 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: direly need more. asr-005352 06:08:54.540 --> 06:08:56.760 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And while our people starve for health, education, asr-005353 06:08:56.900 --> 06:08:57.360 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and housing, asr-005354 06:08:58.020 --> 06:09:00.380 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: the state entrenches budgetary mechanisms asr-005355 06:09:00.380 --> 06:09:02.300 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that bankroll, surveillance, asr-005356 06:09:02.660 --> 06:09:05.220 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: red-tagging, and counterinsurgency programs asr-005357 06:09:05.220 --> 06:09:06.640 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: like the NAPI-OPD. asr-005358 06:09:07.100 --> 06:09:08.320 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And for us, Madam Speaker, asr-005359 06:09:08.420 --> 06:09:10.240 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: there is no wisdom in continuing these asr-005360 06:09:10.240 --> 06:09:11.740 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in House Bill 1058. asr-005361 06:09:12.140 --> 06:09:14.340 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Public funds must flow to public welfare, asr-005362 06:09:14.420 --> 06:09:15.320 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: not to secrecy, asr-005363 06:09:15.340 --> 06:09:17.020 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: see that breeds plunder and asr-005364 06:09:17.020 --> 06:09:19.400 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: impunity. Madam Speaker, I will asr-005365 06:09:19.400 --> 06:09:21.360 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: move, and good sponsor, I will move asr-005366 06:09:21.360 --> 06:09:22.640 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: at the appropriate time asr-005367 06:09:22.640 --> 06:09:24.940 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: for the proper amendments asr-005368 06:09:24.940 --> 06:09:27.580 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: which this representation hopes asr-005369 06:09:27.580 --> 06:09:29.060 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that the body considers. asr-005370 06:09:29.580 --> 06:09:31.580 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: In the meantime, we hope asr-005371 06:09:31.580 --> 06:09:33.680 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that the requested documents may be asr-005372 06:09:33.680 --> 06:09:35.460 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: submitted at the proper time asr-005373 06:09:35.460 --> 06:09:37.360 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and this representation asr-005374 06:09:37.360 --> 06:09:39.540 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: thanks the indulgence of the asr-005375 06:09:39.540 --> 06:09:41.340 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sponsor for their time in asr-005376 06:09:41.340 --> 06:09:43.620 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: answering this representation's asr-005377 06:09:43.620 --> 06:09:45.440 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: questions. That's all, Madam Speaker. asr-005378 06:09:45.860 --> 06:09:47.240 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. asr-005379 06:09:47.380 --> 06:09:49.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much to the Honorable Reniko. asr-005380 06:09:51.640 --> 06:09:52.850 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-005380-split-2 06:09:52.850 --> 06:09:53.500 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, next asr-005381 06:09:53.500 --> 06:09:55.340 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to introduce... asr-005382 06:09:55.340 --> 06:09:57.260 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to suspend the session asr-005383 06:09:57.260 --> 06:09:58.100 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: for a few minutes. asr-005383-split-2 06:09:58.100 --> 06:09:59.020 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Motion suspended. asr-005384 06:09:59.200 --> 06:10:00.200 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Session suspended. asr-005434 06:29:22.000 --> 06:29:24.000 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Session resumed. Majority Leader. asr-005435 06:29:24.000 --> 06:29:26.000 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, next to interpellate the sponsor, asr-005436 06:29:26.000 --> 06:29:28.000 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: I move to recognize the Honorable Bong Suntay asr-005437 06:29:28.000 --> 06:29:30.000 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of the Fourth District of Quezon City. asr-005438 06:29:30.000 --> 06:29:39.780 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none, the Honorable Representative Jesus "Bong" Suntay from the Fourth District of Quezon City is recognized. asr-005439 06:29:40.060 --> 06:29:57.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Speaker, to our good sponsor. Madam Speaker, dahil sa current condition ng ating Chair Mika, I will keep my questions simple so that it will be very easy to answer. asr-005440 06:29:57.280 --> 06:29:59.920 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Magsasamahin ko na rin yung tanong ko. asr-005441 06:30:00.000 --> 06:30:02.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: DepDev at saka sa asr-005442 06:30:02.220 --> 06:30:04.520 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: DBM para maiklian asr-005443 06:30:04.520 --> 06:30:05.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: yung oras. asr-005444 06:30:06.580 --> 06:30:08.740 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I will limit it to my general concern asr-005445 06:30:08.740 --> 06:30:10.460 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: regarding the asr-005446 06:30:10.460 --> 06:30:12.920 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 7.2 trillion asr-005447 06:30:12.920 --> 06:30:14.260 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: budget. I will not asr-005448 06:30:14.260 --> 06:30:16.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: no longer go to specifics dahil asr-005449 06:30:16.180 --> 06:30:17.200 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: tatagal lang tayo. asr-005450 06:30:18.900 --> 06:30:19.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In asr-005451 06:30:19.220 --> 06:30:20.700 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2024, asr-005452 06:30:21.700 --> 06:30:24.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we approved the budget of asr-005453 06:30:24.440 --> 06:30:26.400 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 5.76 trillion asr-005454 06:30:26.400 --> 06:30:28.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for 2025. asr-005455 06:30:28.080 --> 06:30:30.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It was 6.3 trillion asr-005456 06:30:30.180 --> 06:30:31.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for 2026. asr-005457 06:30:31.840 --> 06:30:33.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It was 6.7 asr-005458 06:30:33.760 --> 06:30:35.900 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 93 trillion. asr-005459 06:30:36.760 --> 06:30:37.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And now, asr-005460 06:30:38.160 --> 06:30:40.060 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we are asking for a asr-005461 06:30:40.060 --> 06:30:42.160 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 7.2 trillion budget. asr-005462 06:30:44.720 --> 06:30:46.140 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: My concern asr-005463 06:30:46.140 --> 06:30:48.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is not that the 7.2 trillion asr-005464 06:30:48.280 --> 06:30:50.360 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is not mathematically impossible asr-005465 06:30:50.360 --> 06:30:51.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to support. asr-005466 06:30:52.100 --> 06:30:53.700 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: My worry is that, asr-005467 06:30:54.020 --> 06:30:55.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: given the current economic asr-005468 06:30:56.420 --> 06:30:57.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: situation, asr-005469 06:30:57.180 --> 06:30:59.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the fiscal space asr-005470 06:30:59.080 --> 06:31:01.200 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: supporting it asr-005471 06:31:01.200 --> 06:31:02.680 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: has become tight. asr-005472 06:31:04.360 --> 06:31:05.640 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Sa ating mga asr-005473 06:31:05.640 --> 06:31:06.920 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: sources of revenue, asr-005474 06:31:09.080 --> 06:31:09.680 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: magkano ang asr-005475 06:31:09.680 --> 06:31:10.940 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: projected natin asr-005476 06:31:10.940 --> 06:31:12.460 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: na makukuha? asr-005477 06:31:19.900 --> 06:31:21.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-005478 06:31:21.560 --> 06:31:22.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: my distinguished colleague, asr-005479 06:31:23.080 --> 06:31:25.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: first of all, I would like to say thank you asr-005480 06:31:25.060 --> 06:31:27.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to our distinguished colleagues, asr-005481 06:31:27.180 --> 06:31:28.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleague the Honorable Bong Suntay, asr-005482 06:31:28.640 --> 06:31:29.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for taking into account asr-005483 06:31:29.840 --> 06:31:32.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the very pregnant state asr-005484 06:31:32.780 --> 06:31:34.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that I am currently in. asr-005485 06:31:34.320 --> 06:31:35.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Maraming maraming salamat po. asr-005486 06:31:36.800 --> 06:31:38.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Their response po to the asr-005487 06:31:38.760 --> 06:31:41.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: query for 2027 po, asr-005488 06:31:41.480 --> 06:31:42.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our assumption asr-005489 06:31:42.660 --> 06:31:44.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with regard to total revenues as stated asr-005490 06:31:44.800 --> 06:31:46.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the 2027 BASF, asr-005491 06:31:47.080 --> 06:31:48.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: total revenues is at asr-005492 06:31:48.780 --> 06:31:51.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 5.2 trillion pesos asr-005493 06:31:51.860 --> 06:31:53.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and that is a combination asr-005494 06:31:53.200 --> 06:31:54.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po of tax and asr-005495 06:31:54.980 --> 06:31:56.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: non-tax revenues. asr-005496 06:31:56.200 --> 06:31:57.160 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Okay, this would be a asr-005497 06:31:57.160 --> 06:31:59.340 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: combination from collections asr-005498 06:31:59.340 --> 06:32:01.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: from the BIR, BOC, and asr-005499 06:32:01.080 --> 06:32:02.380 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: non-tax revenues. asr-005500 06:32:03.160 --> 06:32:04.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But this assumption was based asr-005501 06:32:04.760 --> 06:32:06.500 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: on a more asr-005502 06:32:06.500 --> 06:32:09.460 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: on a more asr-005503 06:32:09.460 --> 06:32:15.900 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: economically asr-005504 06:32:15.900 --> 06:32:18.800 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: acceptable backdrop. asr-005505 06:32:19.340 --> 06:32:20.740 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Pero nag-iba na po ngayon eh. asr-005506 06:32:22.100 --> 06:32:23.160 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Well, assuming that asr-005507 06:32:23.160 --> 06:32:24.560 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we, well, asr-005508 06:32:25.420 --> 06:32:26.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: achieved the 5.2 billion asr-005509 06:32:27.160 --> 06:32:27.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: target, asr-005510 06:32:28.780 --> 06:32:29.700 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: based on asr-005511 06:32:29.700 --> 06:32:33.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: our 2027 government asr-005512 06:32:33.180 --> 06:32:34.300 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: fiscal program, asr-005513 06:32:34.720 --> 06:32:35.600 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the projected asr-005514 06:32:35.600 --> 06:32:39.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: cash disbursements asr-005515 06:32:39.280 --> 06:32:41.360 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: expect that asr-005516 06:32:41.360 --> 06:32:43.480 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 6.9 trillion. asr-005517 06:32:44.180 --> 06:32:45.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So magkakaroon po tayo asr-005518 06:32:45.420 --> 06:32:47.120 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ng fiscal asr-005519 06:32:47.120 --> 06:32:48.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: deficit of asr-005520 06:32:48.440 --> 06:32:50.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 1.695 trillion. asr-005521 06:32:51.540 --> 06:32:52.320 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Would that be correct? asr-005522 06:32:55.740 --> 06:32:57.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That is correct, asr-005523 06:32:57.160 --> 06:32:59.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for 2027, the projected asr-005524 06:32:59.920 --> 06:33:02.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deficit is at 1.69 trillion. asr-005525 06:33:02.880 --> 06:33:04.840 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Okay, now so given that asr-005526 06:33:04.840 --> 06:33:06.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: yung projected revenues asr-005527 06:33:06.000 --> 06:33:08.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is pegged at 5.2, asr-005528 06:33:08.000 --> 06:33:10.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ang ating proposed asr-005529 06:33:10.000 --> 06:33:13.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: budget obligation naman asr-005530 06:33:13.000 --> 06:33:15.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is 7.2, asr-005531 06:33:15.000 --> 06:33:17.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: di kulang po tayo, asr-005532 06:33:17.000 --> 06:33:18.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: magkakaroon tayo ng asr-005533 06:33:18.420 --> 06:33:20.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: fiscal deficit of around asr-005534 06:33:20.420 --> 06:33:22.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 1.695. asr-005535 06:33:22.420 --> 06:33:25.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: How do we intend to fund it? asr-005536 06:33:25.420 --> 06:33:25.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: By securing asr-005539 06:33:27.060 --> 06:33:28.380 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: A loan. asr-005540 06:33:28.380 --> 06:33:30.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: At what amount? asr-005541 06:33:30.180 --> 06:33:30.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-005542 06:33:30.940 --> 06:33:32.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished Colleague, asr-005543 06:33:32.780 --> 06:33:35.700 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there is a projected gross borrowing asr-005544 06:33:35.700 --> 06:33:38.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of 3.3 trillion pesos asr-005545 06:33:38.580 --> 06:33:40.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to be able to fund the deficit po. asr-005546 06:33:40.980 --> 06:33:41.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Okay. asr-005547 06:33:41.780 --> 06:33:44.260 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But the 3.3 points, asr-005548 06:33:44.260 --> 06:33:47.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 3.304 trillion asr-005549 06:33:47.220 --> 06:33:49.260 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is not only to fund asr-005550 06:33:49.260 --> 06:33:50.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that budget deficit. asr-005551 06:33:50.580 --> 06:33:52.300 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi meron pa tayong asr-005552 06:33:52.300 --> 06:33:54.100 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: how much will go to principal asr-005553 06:33:54.100 --> 06:33:56.260 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: repayment and amortization? asr-005554 06:33:56.260 --> 06:33:56.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Hindi kasi nakalagay ng asr-005555 06:33:56.860 --> 06:33:58.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nakalagay sa asr-005556 06:33:58.860 --> 06:34:00.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: sa HGAB natin eh. asr-005557 06:34:00.860 --> 06:34:02.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And then how much will fall asr-005558 06:34:02.860 --> 06:34:04.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for net financing? asr-005559 06:34:26.860 --> 06:34:35.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pagkakaroon tayo ng asr-005560 06:34:35.860 --> 06:34:37.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 3.3 trillion pesos po, asr-005561 06:34:37.860 --> 06:34:39.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.69 trillion will go towards asr-005562 06:34:39.860 --> 06:34:41.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: funding the deficit in the budget. asr-005563 06:34:41.860 --> 06:34:43.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And the rest po, asr-005564 06:34:43.860 --> 06:34:45.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the remainder which is also around asr-005565 06:34:45.860 --> 06:34:47.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.5 trillion pesos asr-005566 06:34:47.860 --> 06:34:49.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would go towards asr-005567 06:34:49.860 --> 06:34:51.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: amortization of gross asr-005568 06:34:51.860 --> 06:34:53.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: external borrowings and amortization asr-005569 06:34:53.860 --> 06:34:55.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of gross domestic borrowings. asr-005570 06:34:55.860 --> 06:35:00.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So 254 billion of that asr-005571 06:35:00.860 --> 06:35:02.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would go towards amortization asr-005572 06:35:02.860 --> 06:35:04.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of external borrowings. asr-005573 06:35:04.860 --> 06:35:06.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And 1.3 trillion of that asr-005574 06:35:06.860 --> 06:35:08.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would go towards amortization asr-005575 06:35:08.860 --> 06:35:10.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of domestic borrowings. asr-005576 06:35:10.860 --> 06:35:12.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, isn't this disconcerning? asr-005577 06:35:12.860 --> 06:35:14.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: While I understand that asr-005578 06:35:14.860 --> 06:35:16.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: hindi naman laging masama ang asr-005579 06:35:16.860 --> 06:35:18.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: deficit spending, pero asr-005580 06:35:18.860 --> 06:35:20.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pag nagde-deficit spending tayo, asr-005581 06:35:20.860 --> 06:35:22.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it is supposedly to fund projects asr-005582 06:35:22.860 --> 06:35:24.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: which may generate long-term yield, asr-005583 06:35:24.860 --> 06:35:26.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: o kaya pagka merong asr-005584 06:35:26.860 --> 06:35:28.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: economic crisis absorption asr-005585 06:35:28.860 --> 06:35:30.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that has to be done. asr-005586 06:35:30.860 --> 06:35:32.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In fact, if you go back nung asr-005587 06:35:32.860 --> 06:35:34.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2010 to 2015, asr-005588 06:35:34.860 --> 06:35:36.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it was a time of fiscal consolidation asr-005589 06:35:36.860 --> 06:35:38.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: during the term of asr-005590 06:35:38.860 --> 06:35:40.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: former President Aquino, asr-005591 06:35:40.860 --> 06:35:42.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: wherein which budget asr-005592 06:35:42.860 --> 06:35:44.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: deficit was asr-005593 06:35:44.860 --> 06:35:46.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: minimized from asr-005594 06:35:46.860 --> 06:35:48.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 0.09 to 2.5%. asr-005595 06:35:48.860 --> 06:35:50.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: During the asr-005596 06:35:50.860 --> 06:35:52.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2016 to 2009 asr-005597 06:35:52.860 --> 06:35:54.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: period, during the asr-005598 06:35:54.860 --> 06:35:56.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: first half of the term of asr-005599 06:35:56.860 --> 06:35:58.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: former President Duterte, asr-005600 06:35:58.860 --> 06:36:00.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it was at an average of asr-005601 06:36:00.860 --> 06:36:02.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 3.5%. asr-005602 06:36:02.860 --> 06:36:04.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But after nung asr-005603 06:36:04.860 --> 06:36:06.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2019, nagkaroon tayo asr-005604 06:36:06.860 --> 06:36:08.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ng pandemic, asr-005605 06:36:08.860 --> 06:36:10.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: tapos nun, asr-005606 06:36:10.860 --> 06:36:12.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that's 2000, well, asr-005607 06:36:12.860 --> 06:36:14.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2021, 22 naman asr-005608 06:36:14.860 --> 06:36:16.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: was the rebound, kaya asr-005609 06:36:16.860 --> 06:36:18.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: tumaas ng unti. Pero asr-005610 06:36:18.860 --> 06:36:20.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ngayon, asr-005611 06:36:20.860 --> 06:36:22.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: how asr-005612 06:36:22.860 --> 06:36:24.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: do we intend to asr-005613 06:36:24.860 --> 06:36:26.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: be able to asr-005614 06:36:26.860 --> 06:36:28.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: support such asr-005615 06:36:28.860 --> 06:36:30.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: budget? asr-005617 06:37:02.860 --> 06:37:04.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, my asr-005618 06:37:04.860 --> 06:37:06.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague, asr-005619 06:37:06.860 --> 06:37:08.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we recognize the point of asr-005620 06:37:08.860 --> 06:37:10.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our distinguished colleague, asr-005621 06:37:10.860 --> 06:37:12.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but the goal is to asr-005622 06:37:12.860 --> 06:37:14.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: do fiscal consolidation asr-005623 06:37:14.860 --> 06:37:16.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: down the line, and the asr-005624 06:37:16.860 --> 06:37:18.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: goal is to reduce asr-005625 06:37:18.860 --> 06:37:20.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deficit to asr-005626 06:37:20.860 --> 06:37:31.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: From 5.4 in 2026 to 2030, sorry, just 3.5 in 2030. asr-005627 06:37:31.240 --> 06:37:34.460 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: How do we intend to do it? asr-005628 06:37:34.600 --> 06:37:43.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil if we look at the current economic situation, asr-005629 06:37:43.280 --> 06:37:53.300 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we have GDP is down to around 2.4%, inflation is up. asr-005630 06:37:55.860 --> 06:38:02.820 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, paano pa natin maibababa yung, how do we plan to accomplish it? asr-005631 06:38:03.360 --> 06:38:07.940 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi ang sakin lang, instead of belt tightening, given the current situation, ito yung concern. asr-005632 06:38:07.940 --> 06:38:12.500 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In 2024, the national debt was at 16.5 trillion. asr-005633 06:38:12.500 --> 06:38:16.520 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: For 2025, it increased to 17.71 trillion. asr-005634 06:38:16.920 --> 06:38:22.120 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: For 2026, it's now up to 19.39 trillion. asr-005635 06:38:22.880 --> 06:38:25.100 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, and it will not stop here. asr-005636 06:38:25.720 --> 06:38:37.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil from the government's own BESF projects, budget expenditures and source of finance, asr-005637 06:38:39.080 --> 06:38:41.400 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it presupposes that, asr-005638 06:38:41.400 --> 06:38:48.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it will go up, the debt will go up to 19.77 trillion at the end of 2026, asr-005639 06:38:49.500 --> 06:38:55.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: and further up to 21.48 trillion at the end of 2027. asr-005640 06:38:56.040 --> 06:39:01.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, dollar now is at, kanina nag-close, I think at 62.80. asr-005641 06:39:01.780 --> 06:39:08.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We should also factor it in dahil it will have a big effect on debt servicing. asr-005648 06:39:25.480 --> 06:39:31.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my distinguished colleague, upon conferring with economic managers, asr-005649 06:39:31.980 --> 06:39:38.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: really it's fiscal consolidation and really targeting quality spending, asr-005650 06:39:39.420 --> 06:39:41.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: looking at allocating funds. asr-005652 06:39:41.380 --> 06:39:46.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: towards items, programs, projects that have high economic multipliers. asr-005653 06:39:46.520 --> 06:39:51.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the goal is for us to be able to leverage on that to accelerate growth. asr-005654 06:39:52.120 --> 06:39:55.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: On the other hand po, with regard to the macroeconomic conditions asr-005655 06:39:55.200 --> 06:39:57.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were cited by our distinguished colleagues, asr-005656 06:39:57.900 --> 06:40:01.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the projection is that by 2028, asr-005657 06:40:02.720 --> 06:40:08.400 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these magre-reverse somehow in a more positive way asr-005658 06:40:08.400 --> 06:40:13.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of the macroeconomic factors surrounding it po. asr-005659 06:40:13.540 --> 06:40:16.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So hopefully, inflation would lessen, asr-005660 06:40:16.100 --> 06:40:18.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the foreign exchange rate would be more favorable, asr-005661 06:40:19.120 --> 06:40:21.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the price of fuel will go down. asr-005662 06:40:22.420 --> 06:40:25.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So with that po, coupled with quality spending, asr-005663 06:40:25.240 --> 06:40:28.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ma-be-bridge po yung gap doon po sa ating deficit. asr-005664 06:40:28.080 --> 06:40:29.640 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Speaker, good sponsor. asr-005665 06:40:29.920 --> 06:40:37.900 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I hope that our economic managers have the same positive view. asr-005666 06:40:38.180 --> 06:40:38.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi, asr-005667 06:40:38.400 --> 06:40:40.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if we want to be realistic, asr-005668 06:40:41.460 --> 06:40:43.940 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I'm sure that they all know it is unwise asr-005669 06:40:43.940 --> 06:40:48.460 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to go on a big budget deficit spending asr-005670 06:40:48.460 --> 06:40:51.020 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if there is already inflationary pressure. asr-005671 06:40:51.620 --> 06:40:56.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And pagka hindi nararamdaman ng economic managers natin yung inflationary pressure, asr-005672 06:40:56.420 --> 06:40:58.820 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: then there's something wrong with our government. asr-005673 06:41:00.700 --> 06:41:03.340 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Walang mangyayari sa atin if we do not feel asr-005674 06:41:03.340 --> 06:41:06.680 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that there is economic pressure already dahil asr-005675 06:41:06.680 --> 06:41:08.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ano yung ekonomiya, asr-005676 06:41:08.180 --> 06:41:09.340 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: economic pressure natin. asr-005677 06:41:10.440 --> 06:41:11.520 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Sa FDI na lang, asr-005678 06:41:12.080 --> 06:41:14.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: makano yung foreign direct investment natin ngayon? asr-005679 06:41:15.300 --> 06:41:19.640 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: From a high of, I think, 9.7 billion way back in 2024, asr-005680 06:41:19.900 --> 06:41:24.320 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it's down to 3.4 billion for 2026. asr-005681 06:41:25.020 --> 06:41:28.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's a good indicator of investor's confidence in our country. asr-005682 06:41:29.580 --> 06:41:32.100 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, if we are not concerned about that, asr-005683 06:41:32.600 --> 06:41:34.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: then pupunta tayo, dapat tignan natin yung asr-005684 06:41:34.980 --> 06:41:37.960 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: what is the current, asr-005685 06:41:38.180 --> 06:41:41.560 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: projected inflation natin ngayon. asr-005686 06:41:43.840 --> 06:41:44.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Diba? asr-005687 06:41:45.000 --> 06:41:45.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's also down. asr-005688 06:41:46.620 --> 06:41:47.900 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We projected what? asr-005689 06:41:49.420 --> 06:41:53.380 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It to be at a lower percentage, asr-005690 06:41:53.480 --> 06:41:54.140 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: but now it's, asr-005691 06:41:54.760 --> 06:41:57.260 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nasa 6.1 ba? asr-005692 06:41:58.320 --> 06:42:06.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Expected po, inflation is at around 5.4% in 2027. asr-005693 06:42:06.080 --> 06:42:06.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yan po yung, asr-005694 06:42:06.900 --> 06:42:09.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: naka-embed po, asr-005695 06:42:09.140 --> 06:42:11.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na assumption sa budget. asr-005696 06:42:13.000 --> 06:42:17.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And 3.3 and down to 3.3% in 2028. asr-005697 06:42:19.340 --> 06:42:20.020 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi, asr-005698 06:42:20.180 --> 06:42:22.040 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: kaya ako lang ito, asr-005699 06:42:22.300 --> 06:42:23.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: cause for concern, asr-005700 06:42:24.680 --> 06:42:26.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if we really look at it, asr-005701 06:42:27.840 --> 06:42:30.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for the second quarter 2026, asr-005702 06:42:30.320 --> 06:42:32.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: real GDP growth was 2.3%. asr-005703 06:42:32.880 --> 06:42:36.240 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: August inflation was 6.1%. asr-005704 06:42:36.900 --> 06:42:41.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Bottom 30% of household inflation was actually 8.2%. asr-005705 06:42:41.440 --> 06:42:43.960 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: These are concerning data. asr-005706 06:42:44.960 --> 06:42:47.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kung titignan talaga natin. asr-005707 06:42:47.780 --> 06:42:49.340 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, as I mentioned, asr-005708 06:42:50.160 --> 06:42:51.020 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we also feel it. asr-005709 06:42:51.960 --> 06:42:55.200 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Fuel prices alone is projected to go up to, asr-005710 06:42:56.120 --> 06:43:01.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: diesel prices projected to go up to as high as 100 pesos per liter. asr-005711 06:43:02.260 --> 06:43:03.800 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: That will have an economic impact. asr-005712 06:43:03.800 --> 06:43:05.380 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In fact, makikita nyo, asr-005713 06:43:05.860 --> 06:43:06.060 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: mas, asr-005714 06:43:06.060 --> 06:43:07.600 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: less traffic ngayon, asr-005715 06:43:07.700 --> 06:43:09.680 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: especially yung mga public utility vehicles. asr-005716 06:43:09.960 --> 06:43:10.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: They, asr-005717 06:43:11.040 --> 06:43:12.840 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: not as much fly the roads anymore. asr-005718 06:43:13.260 --> 06:43:13.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil, asr-005719 06:43:14.080 --> 06:43:15.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it's better to stay at home asr-005720 06:43:15.440 --> 06:43:16.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: dan maglabas ka, asr-005721 06:43:17.320 --> 06:43:19.480 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: bumiyahi ka dahil hindi ka kikita. asr-005722 06:43:23.040 --> 06:43:23.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, asr-005723 06:43:24.140 --> 06:43:25.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: my distinguished colleague, asr-005724 06:43:25.780 --> 06:43:27.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on the part of the economic managers, asr-005725 06:43:27.940 --> 06:43:28.640 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: they assure, asr-005726 06:43:29.200 --> 06:43:31.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: they give the assurance that they review asr-005727 06:43:31.360 --> 06:43:34.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these macroeconomic assumptions every three months po. asr-005728 06:43:34.600 --> 06:43:35.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, quarterly naman, asr-005729 06:43:36.060 --> 06:43:40.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: depending on the realities that are prevailing, asr-005730 06:43:40.680 --> 06:43:43.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in-update naman po nila yung macroeconomic assumptions. asr-005731 06:43:43.700 --> 06:43:44.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil, asr-005732 06:43:44.900 --> 06:43:45.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: well, yung sakin lang, asr-005733 06:43:45.900 --> 06:43:47.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we have to look at the indicators. asr-005734 06:43:48.560 --> 06:43:51.900 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Is our economy already in its full capacity? asr-005735 06:43:52.560 --> 06:43:53.800 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Given the current rate, asr-005736 06:43:53.860 --> 06:43:54.340 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I believe, asr-005737 06:43:55.800 --> 06:43:58.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: mahirap nang tumaas pa yan. asr-005738 06:43:58.700 --> 06:43:59.660 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And it will go down, asr-005739 06:43:59.780 --> 06:44:00.720 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: given the current state. asr-005740 06:44:01.280 --> 06:44:03.020 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We're also looking at 2028. asr-005741 06:44:03.940 --> 06:44:05.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Anong ibig ko sabihin sa 2028? asr-005742 06:44:06.060 --> 06:44:08.240 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's an election year. asr-005743 06:44:09.380 --> 06:44:10.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Investors, asr-005744 06:44:10.180 --> 06:44:11.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: both foreign and local, asr-005745 06:44:12.820 --> 06:44:13.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: usually, asr-005746 06:44:13.800 --> 06:44:15.620 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: they hold on investments. asr-005747 06:44:15.920 --> 06:44:17.640 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil, because of political uncertainty. asr-005748 06:44:18.220 --> 06:44:19.620 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: That is also something that we asr-005749 06:44:19.620 --> 06:44:21.060 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: have to consider. asr-005750 06:44:21.880 --> 06:44:23.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madali magtaas nang magtaas ng budget asr-005751 06:44:23.980 --> 06:44:26.060 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pagka hindi natin pera yung ginagamit. asr-005752 06:44:26.920 --> 06:44:28.320 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Like in a company, asr-005753 06:44:28.400 --> 06:44:29.260 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: when you run a company, asr-005754 06:44:29.780 --> 06:44:32.960 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: you don't just like approve a huge budget asr-005755 06:44:32.960 --> 06:44:34.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if you know that it cannot be sustained. asr-005756 06:44:34.940 --> 06:44:35.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi ang nararamdaman, asr-005757 06:44:36.060 --> 06:44:40.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we have to look at the state of our economy. asr-005758 06:44:40.440 --> 06:44:41.640 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's already, as I mentioned, asr-005759 06:44:41.860 --> 06:44:42.600 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: full capacity. asr-005760 06:44:43.880 --> 06:44:44.040 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, asr-005761 06:44:45.080 --> 06:44:46.040 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ang problema rin, asr-005762 06:44:47.380 --> 06:44:48.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: as we all know, asr-005763 06:44:48.160 --> 06:44:49.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: excess spending drives up inflation. asr-005764 06:44:52.420 --> 06:44:52.620 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, asr-005765 06:44:53.240 --> 06:44:56.300 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: kagaya ng sinabi ni Sheck Balizakan, asr-005766 06:44:56.440 --> 06:44:56.820 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: alam mo naman, asr-005767 06:44:57.240 --> 06:44:59.700 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ang economy natin is consumption driven. asr-005768 06:45:00.000 --> 06:45:03.700 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's not money coming from external sources. asr-005769 06:45:03.980 --> 06:45:07.100 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's everyone's money just going around. asr-005770 06:45:07.780 --> 06:45:10.740 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, well, these are my concerns. asr-005771 06:45:11.160 --> 06:45:18.480 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil, which, because I would want to see more of the money that we approve asr-005772 06:45:18.480 --> 06:45:25.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: be used in programs and projects which would pump prime the economy. asr-005773 06:45:25.780 --> 06:45:32.400 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi dito sa 7.2 trillion, how much is actually available to pump prime the economy? asr-005774 06:45:33.380 --> 06:45:36.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And what specific projects ang pupuntahan nito? asr-005775 06:45:37.520 --> 06:45:42.300 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Because kagaya yung mga projects which are supposed to pump prime the economy, asr-005776 06:45:42.700 --> 06:45:46.120 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: North to South Railway, dapat natapos na pero hindi. asr-005777 06:45:47.000 --> 06:45:52.940 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Subway natin, tinanggalan natin yan ng, nilagay natin sa amprogram what was already there. asr-005778 06:45:52.940 --> 06:45:55.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And, ako, saan nilagay? asr-005779 06:45:55.780 --> 06:45:56.900 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Nilagay sa ayuda. asr-005780 06:45:57.960 --> 06:46:00.520 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But, it does not pump prime the economy. asr-005781 06:46:01.500 --> 06:46:04.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, for 2027, saan natin dadalhin? asr-005782 06:46:05.000 --> 06:46:11.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For 2027 po, for pump priming the economy, we will rely mostly on capital outlay po asr-005783 06:46:11.660 --> 06:46:12.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and infrastructure spending. asr-005784 06:46:13.080 --> 06:46:20.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, as a proportion of the NEP po, we're looking at 1.16 trillion pesos asr-005785 06:46:20.480 --> 06:46:23.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which accounts for 16.1% of the NEP. asr-005786 06:46:23.580 --> 06:46:25.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of specific... asr-005787 06:46:25.780 --> 06:46:33.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: specific projects, medyo malalaki po, but I'll just cite yung mga big-ticket items po. asr-005788 06:46:33.780 --> 06:46:40.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, we're looking at North-South Commuter Railway at 123.8 billion, asr-005789 06:46:40.780 --> 06:46:44.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Metro Manila Subway Project at 67.4 billion, asr-005790 06:46:44.780 --> 06:46:53.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the bridge program within DPWH, the Bataan-Cavite Interlink Bridge at 22 billion, asr-005791 06:46:53.780 --> 06:46:55.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Cebu-Bactan Bridge at 8 billion, asr-005792 06:46:55.780 --> 06:47:00.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Metro Manila Priority Bridges for 3.7 billion. asr-005793 06:47:00.780 --> 06:47:03.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There's also, under the Network Development Program po, asr-005794 06:47:03.780 --> 06:47:10.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: several projects that would total 52 billion. asr-005795 06:47:10.780 --> 06:47:15.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And meron din po ang flood management program na FAPs po asr-005796 06:47:15.780 --> 06:47:22.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at totaling 17 billion pesos po. asr-005797 06:47:22.780 --> 06:47:24.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, ito po yung mga big-ticket items that we hope to see. asr-005798 06:47:25.780 --> 06:47:28.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, that would pump prime the economy. asr-005799 06:47:28.780 --> 06:47:33.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: You mentioned the 16.1% of the budget. asr-005800 06:47:33.780 --> 06:47:36.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Ito, well, actually, yung computation would be, asr-005801 06:47:36.780 --> 06:47:43.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if I'm correct, is 7.2 trillion minus the 6.40 trillion asr-005802 06:47:43.780 --> 06:47:49.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that leaves us with yung 1.16 trillion for capital outlay. asr-005803 06:47:49.780 --> 06:47:53.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Pero pagtitignan mo, that's just, it just translates to asr-005804 06:47:53.780 --> 06:47:56.040 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 16 centavos for every asr-005805 06:47:56.040 --> 06:47:57.240 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: peso that goes into asr-005806 06:47:57.240 --> 06:47:58.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: capital asr-005807 06:47:58.580 --> 06:48:01.620 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: assets, which is asr-005808 06:48:01.620 --> 06:48:04.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: also very small. Pag tinignan mo asr-005809 06:48:04.220 --> 06:48:05.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: rin yung portion of the budget asr-005810 06:48:05.980 --> 06:48:07.620 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that goes into debt servicing, asr-005811 06:48:08.800 --> 06:48:09.360 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for every asr-005812 06:48:09.360 --> 06:48:11.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 6 pesos, 1 peso asr-005813 06:48:11.980 --> 06:48:14.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: goes to debt servicing. So, asr-005814 06:48:14.060 --> 06:48:15.920 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: roughly 12 centavos asr-005815 06:48:15.920 --> 06:48:16.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: of asr-005816 06:48:16.280 --> 06:48:19.620 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: every peso goes to it. asr-005817 06:48:20.480 --> 06:48:20.600 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, asr-005818 06:48:23.140 --> 06:48:23.340 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: well, asr-005819 06:48:23.780 --> 06:48:27.260 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: yung asr-005820 06:48:27.260 --> 06:48:29.700 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we're using the North to South asr-005821 06:48:29.700 --> 06:48:31.720 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Railway to asr-005822 06:48:31.720 --> 06:48:33.660 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: justify that it will asr-005823 06:48:33.660 --> 06:48:34.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pump prime economy. asr-005824 06:48:36.200 --> 06:48:37.720 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But the North to South Railway asr-005825 06:48:37.720 --> 06:48:39.800 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: cannot be asr-005826 06:48:39.800 --> 06:48:41.520 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: utilized until, I think, asr-005827 06:48:41.600 --> 06:48:43.100 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2032. asr-005828 06:48:43.600 --> 06:48:45.120 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We're talking about asr-005829 06:48:45.120 --> 06:48:46.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2027. asr-005830 06:48:48.100 --> 06:48:48.940 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Even the subway asr-005831 06:48:48.940 --> 06:48:51.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is not meant to asr-005832 06:48:51.220 --> 06:48:52.640 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to, asr-005833 06:48:52.640 --> 06:48:54.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we won't be able to utilize asr-005834 06:48:54.780 --> 06:48:57.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it for 2027. asr-005835 06:48:57.520 --> 06:49:01.020 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, ano talaga yung asr-005836 06:49:01.020 --> 06:49:02.160 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: what will asr-005837 06:49:02.160 --> 06:49:05.140 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pump prime the economy? Not all roads asr-005838 06:49:05.140 --> 06:49:06.680 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: built asr-005839 06:49:06.680 --> 06:49:08.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: translates to asr-005840 06:49:08.760 --> 06:49:12.960 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: a share in the economic asr-005841 06:49:12.960 --> 06:49:14.960 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: recovery. It doesn't asr-005842 06:49:14.960 --> 06:49:15.340 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: follow. asr-005843 06:49:17.220 --> 06:49:18.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Taka gumawa ka ng kalsada going to asr-005844 06:49:18.980 --> 06:49:20.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nowhere, then it doesn't contribute asr-005845 06:49:20.980 --> 06:49:21.560 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to anything. asr-005846 06:49:22.640 --> 06:49:24.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my distinguished asr-005847 06:49:24.600 --> 06:49:26.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleague, in the cases kasi po asr-005848 06:49:26.800 --> 06:49:28.540 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of big infrastructure projects, asr-005849 06:49:29.060 --> 06:49:30.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: malaki po yung economic multiplier asr-005850 06:49:30.920 --> 06:49:32.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: niya in terms of, one, asr-005851 06:49:32.600 --> 06:49:34.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the jobs generated, asr-005852 06:49:35.500 --> 06:49:36.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and then, particularly asr-005853 06:49:36.680 --> 06:49:38.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po for North-South asr-005854 06:49:38.180 --> 06:49:40.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Commuter Railway, the goal po is to asr-005855 06:49:40.680 --> 06:49:42.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: have partial operability by asr-005856 06:49:42.600 --> 06:49:44.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: end of 2027. So, asr-005857 06:49:44.880 --> 06:49:46.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mag-open na po yung mga asr-005858 06:49:46.460 --> 06:49:48.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: segments, ito po mga big ticket asr-005859 06:49:48.600 --> 06:49:50.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: projects na ito. So, malaki po yung asr-005860 06:49:50.480 --> 06:49:51.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: maitutulong niya in terms of asr-005861 06:49:51.840 --> 06:49:53.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transportation and asr-005862 06:49:53.920 --> 06:49:56.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: being able to spur growth in the asr-005863 06:49:56.440 --> 06:49:58.460 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: adjacent areas to Metro Manila. asr-005864 06:49:58.800 --> 06:50:00.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Speaker, asr-005865 06:50:00.400 --> 06:50:02.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: good sponsor. Actually, asr-005866 06:50:02.580 --> 06:50:04.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: during the DOTR asr-005867 06:50:04.220 --> 06:50:06.200 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: budget consultation, asr-005868 06:50:06.500 --> 06:50:08.120 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: when I asked them kung asr-005869 06:50:08.120 --> 06:50:10.360 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: kailan mapapanda, it was not asr-005870 06:50:10.360 --> 06:50:12.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2027. They were hopeful asr-005871 06:50:12.760 --> 06:50:13.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: na asr-005872 06:50:13.860 --> 06:50:16.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: best case scenario, maaring asr-005873 06:50:16.540 --> 06:50:18.200 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2028, but asr-005874 06:50:18.200 --> 06:50:19.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: not 2027. asr-005875 06:50:21.200 --> 06:50:21.800 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Which, asr-005876 06:50:21.840 --> 06:50:22.160 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: which is, asr-005877 06:50:22.940 --> 06:50:25.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: well, points to consider. asr-005878 06:50:26.720 --> 06:50:26.840 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But, asr-005879 06:50:30.360 --> 06:50:31.700 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: yung sakin lang is, asr-005880 06:50:32.420 --> 06:50:34.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: even to asr-005881 06:50:34.080 --> 06:50:35.300 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the economic managers, asr-005882 06:50:35.920 --> 06:50:36.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: question of, asr-005883 06:50:38.000 --> 06:50:40.120 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: can the economy realistically asr-005884 06:50:40.120 --> 06:50:42.120 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: carry asr-005885 06:50:42.120 --> 06:50:42.840 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: this budget? asr-005886 06:50:43.520 --> 06:50:45.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I think we owe it to the Filipino asr-005887 06:50:45.880 --> 06:50:47.900 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: people to ask this very asr-005888 06:50:47.900 --> 06:50:49.920 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: question. Kaya ba asr-005889 06:50:49.920 --> 06:50:50.940 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: talagang i-sustain? asr-005890 06:50:51.840 --> 06:50:53.840 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: O, ang gagawin lang natin asr-005891 06:50:53.840 --> 06:50:56.460 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: next year, mangungutang na naman tayong asr-005892 06:50:56.460 --> 06:50:57.820 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: mas malaki because we have to asr-005893 06:50:57.820 --> 06:50:59.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: service more debt. asr-005894 06:51:01.080 --> 06:51:01.920 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And then, asr-005895 06:51:02.500 --> 06:51:04.260 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: malulunod lang tayo sa utang. asr-005896 06:51:05.100 --> 06:51:06.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Why is it my concern? asr-005897 06:51:07.720 --> 06:51:08.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: For 2027, asr-005898 06:51:09.240 --> 06:51:09.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the government, asr-005899 06:51:10.280 --> 06:51:12.340 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the government's fiscal program asr-005900 06:51:12.340 --> 06:51:13.240 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: on recovery asr-005901 06:51:13.240 --> 06:51:16.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pegged GDP growth asr-005902 06:51:16.540 --> 06:51:18.240 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: at 5 to 6 percent. asr-005903 06:51:19.920 --> 06:51:21.680 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And 4 to 5 asr-005904 06:51:21.680 --> 06:51:23.680 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: percent inflation. We all know asr-005905 06:51:23.680 --> 06:51:25.720 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that will not happen. Inflation will asr-005906 06:51:25.720 --> 06:51:26.740 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: shoot up next year. asr-005907 06:51:28.420 --> 06:51:29.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: GDP will not go up asr-005908 06:51:29.880 --> 06:51:31.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: next year. asr-005909 06:51:31.420 --> 06:51:33.320 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Ngayon pa lang, nararamdaman na nang asr-005910 06:51:33.320 --> 06:51:35.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if you talk to big asr-005911 06:51:35.180 --> 06:51:37.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: or big, asr-005912 06:51:37.360 --> 06:51:39.560 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: well, the big businessmen in our asr-005913 06:51:39.560 --> 06:51:41.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: country, lahat asr-005914 06:51:41.580 --> 06:51:43.560 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: sila ify asr-005915 06:51:43.560 --> 06:51:45.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to add new investments. asr-005916 06:51:46.440 --> 06:51:46.600 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, asr-005917 06:51:47.860 --> 06:51:49.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: parang hopeful yung target asr-005918 06:51:49.420 --> 06:51:51.440 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: natin. Given asr-005919 06:51:51.440 --> 06:51:53.300 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that for the second quarter of asr-005920 06:51:53.300 --> 06:51:55.500 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2026, real GDP growth asr-005921 06:51:55.500 --> 06:51:56.940 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: was 2.3 percent. asr-005922 06:51:58.020 --> 06:51:58.920 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: August inflation, asr-005923 06:51:59.160 --> 06:52:01.520 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 6.1 percent as I stated. asr-005924 06:52:02.420 --> 06:52:03.520 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Second quarter of asr-005925 06:52:03.520 --> 06:52:05.480 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: gross capital formation was asr-005926 06:52:05.480 --> 06:52:07.400 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: negative 9.2 percent. asr-005927 06:52:08.540 --> 06:52:09.680 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Foreign direct investment asr-005928 06:52:09.680 --> 06:52:11.380 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: fell asr-005929 06:52:11.380 --> 06:52:12.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to 3.3 asr-005930 06:52:12.780 --> 06:52:15.680 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: billion dollars. asr-005931 06:52:16.680 --> 06:52:17.560 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Debt to GDP, asr-005932 06:52:18.360 --> 06:52:19.400 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 66 percent. asr-005933 06:52:20.280 --> 06:52:20.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Ah, yes. asr-005934 06:52:21.440 --> 06:52:22.320 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In asr-005935 06:52:22.320 --> 06:52:26.060 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: outstanding debt, asr-005936 06:52:26.740 --> 06:52:28.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 19.39 trillion. asr-005937 06:52:29.660 --> 06:52:31.220 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, kung rosy yung asr-005938 06:52:31.220 --> 06:52:32.700 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: outlook nyo, given this asr-005939 06:52:32.700 --> 06:52:33.360 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: economic asr-005940 06:52:33.360 --> 06:52:36.380 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: backdrop, asr-005941 06:52:37.980 --> 06:52:38.940 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: may problema tayo. asr-005948 06:53:19.320 --> 06:53:29.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my distinguished colleague, if we would look at the growth in the budget from 2026 to 2027, asr-005949 06:53:30.820 --> 06:53:37.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: while in nominal terms, nag-increase po siya by 6%, in real terms po, hindi siya nag-increase. asr-005950 06:53:37.040 --> 06:53:43.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So actually, hindi po na siya in-increase because of the current situation. asr-005951 06:53:43.120 --> 06:53:53.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But looking at the debt projections po, if we look at the general government debt to GDP projections from 2026 to 2030, asr-005952 06:53:54.080 --> 06:53:58.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which we can use as an indicator of the sustainability of our debt levels, asr-005953 06:53:58.380 --> 06:54:13.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the goal po is for it to reduce from 58.6% to 56.1%, which is below the 70% benchmark po for the general government debt to GDP ratio. asr-005954 06:54:13.120 --> 06:54:19.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the goal po is little by little through fiscal consolidation and quality spending, asr-005955 06:54:20.120 --> 06:54:27.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which would hopefully spur growth, we'll be able to bridge the deficit po and make sure the debt is sustainable. asr-005956 06:54:27.920 --> 06:54:39.340 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Well, yung sustainability of our national debt, maaaring nating tanggapin yung binigay mo, Madam Chair. asr-005957 06:54:40.340 --> 06:54:42.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: If ang binabangga natin, asr-005958 06:54:43.120 --> 06:54:48.600 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is yung debt servicing vis-a-vis na 7.2 national budget. asr-005959 06:54:49.800 --> 06:54:54.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But if we, pero dapat ibangga natin yung debt servicing natin dun sa ano eh, asr-005960 06:54:55.460 --> 06:55:06.160 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: sa projected revenues na 5.2%, dahil hindi naman nakakadagdag sa ekonomiya natin yung mga ibang kinargahan nung ano eh, asr-005961 06:55:06.160 --> 06:55:09.160 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nung 7.2 eh, lalo na yung... asr-005962 06:55:10.840 --> 06:55:12.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, lalampas ka nung ano eh. asr-005963 06:55:13.120 --> 06:55:16.880 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Lalampas ka sa 30% to 40% na acceptable eh. asr-005964 06:55:31.180 --> 06:55:37.760 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Because interest now, interest payment consumes a bigger share of the revenue. asr-005965 06:55:39.360 --> 06:55:42.260 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Pagka umapak ng 30% to 40%, then... asr-005966 06:55:43.120 --> 06:55:45.460 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's a, it's a red flag. asr-005967 06:55:56.300 --> 06:55:56.360 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Thank you. asr-005968 06:56:13.120 --> 06:56:27.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my distinguished colleague, the goal is to make sure that the borrowings go towards quality spending such that it can expand production capacity. asr-005969 06:56:27.340 --> 06:56:37.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po, speaking to DOF, it looks like we won't be able to generate revenues as much given the current parameters. asr-005970 06:56:37.560 --> 06:56:43.100 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So talaga pong we will have to rely on us being able to expand our production capacity. asr-005971 06:56:43.100 --> 06:56:48.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Through quality spending of whichever we're borrowing at the moment. asr-005972 06:56:48.320 --> 06:56:54.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I understand. That's why I've been asking kung ano yung quality spending na yun eh. asr-005973 06:56:55.140 --> 06:56:59.460 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Because I was looking for it dun sa HGAB natin. asr-005974 06:57:00.500 --> 06:57:10.360 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And hindi ko talaga mahanap yung punto na yun eh. asr-005975 06:57:10.360 --> 06:57:12.360 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We have to understand that the 2027 budget assumes... asr-005976 06:57:13.100 --> 06:57:16.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: A fairly significant economic rebound. asr-005977 06:57:16.260 --> 06:57:23.360 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kaya nga, 7.2 trillion yung hinihingi, ang prinupose. asr-005978 06:57:23.860 --> 06:57:27.300 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And kaya nga, sinasabi ngayon na kaya natin gawin yun. asr-005979 06:57:27.900 --> 06:57:39.140 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now assuming if the economy grows only 2 to 3%, rather than the 5 to 6%, which is projected, ano mangyayari sa atin? asr-005980 06:57:39.140 --> 06:57:42.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kunyari mag-maintain tayo for next year, 2027. asr-005981 06:57:43.100 --> 06:57:46.920 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2 to 3% lang ang growth rate natin. asr-005982 06:57:47.060 --> 06:57:52.180 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Not the 5 to 6% which is projected to support the 7.2 trillion budget. asr-005983 06:57:53.300 --> 06:57:54.960 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Three things will happen. asr-005984 06:57:56.360 --> 06:57:59.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi three things becomes increasingly difficult. asr-005985 06:57:59.580 --> 06:58:09.900 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Simultaneously hitting the 5.2 trillion in revenues, reducing the deficit to GDP ratio, and preventing the debt ratio from increasing further. asr-005986 06:58:10.260 --> 06:58:12.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Ang magiging choice lang ng gobyerno, asr-005987 06:58:13.100 --> 06:58:14.640 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Chair, good sponsor, asr-005988 06:58:15.900 --> 06:58:18.580 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: paka nangyari yan, paka 2 to 3% lang tayo, asr-005989 06:58:18.680 --> 06:58:23.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ang magiging choice lang ng gobyerno is to borrow more money for 2028, asr-005990 06:58:24.660 --> 06:58:27.960 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: raise additional revenues from taxes, asr-005991 06:58:30.200 --> 06:58:31.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: reduce expenditures, asr-005992 06:58:31.760 --> 06:58:36.860 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: or i-delay natin o i-hold yung mga appropriated spending. asr-005993 06:58:38.540 --> 06:58:41.080 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: That's the only way that you would be able to control it. asr-005994 06:58:42.500 --> 06:58:42.980 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But... asr-005995 06:58:43.100 --> 06:58:45.140 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Would that be feasible? asr-005996 06:58:46.140 --> 06:58:47.720 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Well, Madam Chair, good sponsor, asr-005997 06:58:48.720 --> 06:58:51.520 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I just want to remind everyone that asr-005998 06:58:51.520 --> 06:58:58.820 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: on the part of debt, foreign debt, or our national debt, asr-005999 06:59:00.960 --> 06:59:10.060 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: debt sustainability increasingly depends on government converting borrowed money into productive asr-006000 06:59:10.060 --> 06:59:11.060 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: income. asr-006001 06:59:13.100 --> 06:59:16.140 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, that's the only way that you would be able to control it. asr-006003 06:59:16.240 --> 06:59:18.040 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But if we do not do it, asr-006004 06:59:18.860 --> 06:59:22.780 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nga gastusin lang natin for recurring expenditures, kagaya pagkatinignan mo, asr-006005 06:59:23.340 --> 06:59:24.820 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: dito sa 7.2 trillion, asr-006006 06:59:25.280 --> 06:59:26.420 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: tignan natin yung breakdown. asr-006007 06:59:26.900 --> 06:59:31.020 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 1.982 trillion is for personal services, asr-006008 06:59:31.860 --> 06:59:34.940 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2.944 trillion is for MOUE, asr-006009 06:59:36.060 --> 06:59:41.700 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 1.114 trillion is for interest and financial expenses. asr-006010 06:59:41.700 --> 06:59:42.000 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, asr-006011 06:59:42.000 --> 06:59:45.640 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: as correctly pointed out by Chair Mica, asr-006012 06:59:45.960 --> 06:59:51.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: what is left is 1.160 trillion for capital expenditure. asr-006013 06:59:51.540 --> 06:59:59.540 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And if that 1.160 trillion is not allocated properly for projects that will prime our economy... asr-006014 07:00:00.000 --> 07:00:03.540 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Representative Suntay, can you wrap up? asr-006015 07:00:03.840 --> 07:00:11.120 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Thank you. Madam Speaker, as I mentioned, pinagsama-sama na natin ito na 30 minutes each. asr-006016 07:00:11.120 --> 07:00:20.280 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Yung sa DepDev, saka sa DBM, yung unang 30 minutes ko tapos na. Isang oras na lang ang matitira. asr-006017 07:00:22.260 --> 07:00:25.380 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Chair, good sponsor. Maraming maraming salamat to. asr-006018 07:00:25.380 --> 07:00:46.640 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: As I mentioned, I just needed to point this out because it is truly a cause for concern dahil kawawa naman yung susunod na henerasyon pagka palaki lang ng palaki yung utang at hindi naman natin kayang bayaran na o hindi kayang isustain ng ating ekonomiya. asr-006019 07:00:47.200 --> 07:00:47.920 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Thank you very much. asr-006020 07:00:47.920 --> 07:00:48.840 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Honorable Suntay. asr-006021 07:00:48.840 --> 07:00:51.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Quick response lang po, Madam Speaker. Very quick lang po. asr-006022 07:00:51.720 --> 07:00:55.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, it's really going to be a combination of qualities. asr-006023 07:00:55.380 --> 07:01:05.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Depending on infrastructure projects and other items with economic multipliers and at the same time po, high economic multipliers and at the same time po, investments in human capital development. asr-006024 07:01:06.040 --> 07:01:14.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hopefully po, the combination of both would help expand our production capacity and spur economic growth and hopefully that would help narrow down the deficit. asr-006025 07:01:14.920 --> 07:01:20.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But we recognize the points raised by the Honorable Bong Suntay. Maraming maraming salamat po. asr-006026 07:01:20.000 --> 07:01:21.160 Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. asr-006027 07:01:23.460 --> 07:01:24.240 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006028 07:01:24.440 --> 07:01:25.360 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to asr-006029 07:01:25.380 --> 07:01:28.980 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: recognize the Honorable Sergio Dagooc. asr-006030 07:01:30.560 --> 07:01:32.600 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none. asr-006031 07:01:33.180 --> 07:01:34.820 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Honorable Dagoog is recognized. asr-006032 07:01:35.880 --> 07:01:37.020 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-006033 07:01:37.560 --> 07:01:38.600 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Majority Leader. asr-006034 07:01:39.120 --> 07:01:46.060 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Madam Speaker, there being no other members from the minority who wish to interpellate, asr-006035 07:01:46.060 --> 07:01:55.060 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I move to terminate the interpellation of the general principles asr-006036 07:01:55.380 --> 07:02:06.860 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: and provisions of House Bill 10858. asr-006037 07:02:06.860 --> 07:02:08.820 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I so move, Madam Speaker. asr-006038 07:02:09.100 --> 07:02:11.580 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: What does the House say? asr-006040 07:02:12.440 --> 07:02:13.640 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, on the part of the majority, we join the asr-006041 07:02:13.640 --> 07:02:19.800 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: minority in the motion to terminate the debate of general principles and provisions. asr-006042 07:02:21.700 --> 07:02:27.800 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: There is a joint motion to terminate the debate on general principles and provisions. asr-006051 07:02:27.840 --> 07:02:29.120 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? asr-006052 07:02:30.200 --> 07:02:31.280 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The chair hears none. asr-006053 07:02:31.460 --> 07:02:33.820 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The interpellation and debate is now terminated. asr-006054 07:02:34.700 --> 07:02:35.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-006055 07:02:40.720 --> 07:02:43.240 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to suspend consideration asr-006056 07:02:43.240 --> 07:02:45.240 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of House Bill No. 10858. asr-006057 07:02:58.600 --> 07:03:00.420 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Consideration of House Bill asr-006058 07:03:00.420 --> 07:03:03.740 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: No. 10858 asr-006059 07:03:03.740 --> 07:03:06.600 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: is hereby suspended. asr-006060 07:03:10.460 --> 07:03:11.300 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006061 07:03:11.380 --> 07:03:14.320 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move that we take up additional reference of business asr-006062 07:03:14.320 --> 07:03:16.300 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and request the Secretary General asr-006063 07:03:16.300 --> 07:03:17.660 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to read the title of the bills asr-006064 07:03:17.660 --> 07:03:19.660 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and resolutions on first reading asr-006065 07:03:19.660 --> 07:03:21.920 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: as well as communications and committee reports. asr-006066 07:03:22.200 --> 07:03:23.980 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The Secretary is directed asr-006067 07:03:23.980 --> 07:03:25.360 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: to read the title of the bill. asr-006068 07:03:25.380 --> 07:03:29.100 Secretary-General: Additional reference of business. asr-006069 07:03:29.700 --> 07:03:30.860 Secretary-General: Message from the Senate. asr-006070 07:03:31.640 --> 07:03:32.540 Secretary-General: Message dated asr-006071 07:03:32.540 --> 07:03:35.120 Secretary-General: September 14, 2026 asr-006072 07:03:35.120 --> 07:03:37.500 Secretary-General: informing the House that on an even date asr-006073 07:03:37.500 --> 07:03:39.920 Secretary-General: the Senate passed the following Senate bills asr-006074 07:03:39.920 --> 07:03:41.800 Secretary-General: in which it requests asr-006075 07:03:41.800 --> 07:03:43.220 Secretary-General: the concurrence of the House. asr-006076 07:03:43.840 --> 07:03:45.840 Secretary-General: Senate Bill 2272 asr-006077 07:03:45.840 --> 07:03:47.520 Secretary-General: on the proposed Expanded National asr-006078 07:03:47.520 --> 07:03:48.980 Secretary-General: Nutrition Program Act. asr-006079 07:03:50.000 --> 07:03:51.680 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: To the Committee on Basic Education asr-006080 07:03:51.680 --> 07:03:52.240 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: and Culture. asr-006081 07:03:53.240 --> 07:03:54.360 Secretary-General: Senate Bill asr-006082 07:03:54.360 --> 07:03:55.240 Secretary-General: 1926 asr-006083 07:03:55.380 --> 07:03:57.000 Secretary-General: on the proposed asr-006084 07:03:57.000 --> 07:03:58.640 Secretary-General: Child Tourist Safety Act asr-006085 07:03:58.640 --> 07:03:59.900 Secretary-General: or Sandys Act. asr-006086 07:04:00.540 --> 07:04:01.900 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: To the Committee on Tourism. asr-006087 07:04:03.020 --> 07:04:05.060 Secretary-General: Senate Bill 2421 asr-006088 07:04:05.060 --> 07:04:06.620 Secretary-General: on the proposed adequate asr-006089 07:04:06.620 --> 07:04:08.420 Secretary-General: and decent housing through asr-006090 07:04:08.420 --> 07:04:10.360 Secretary-General: [unclear] Act. asr-006091 07:04:10.940 --> 07:04:13.540 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: To the Committee on Housing and Urban Development. asr-006092 07:04:14.540 --> 07:04:15.180 Secretary-General: Senate Bill asr-006093 07:04:15.180 --> 07:04:16.060 Secretary-General: 2387 asr-006094 07:04:16.060 --> 07:04:19.220 Secretary-General: fixing the term of Office of Barangay Officials asr-006095 07:04:19.220 --> 07:04:21.120 Secretary-General: and Members of the Sangudinang Kabataan asr-006096 07:04:21.120 --> 07:04:22.340 Secretary-General: to five years asr-006097 07:04:22.340 --> 07:04:24.340 Secretary-General: amending Republic Act No. 12232 asr-006098 07:04:25.380 --> 07:04:27.880 Secretary-General: or an Act setting the term of Office asr-006099 07:04:27.880 --> 07:04:31.080 Secretary-General: of Barangay Officials and Members of the Sangudinang Kabataan asr-006100 07:04:31.080 --> 07:04:32.080 Secretary-General: and for other purposes. asr-006101 07:04:33.080 --> 07:04:34.640 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: To the Committee on Local Government. asr-006102 07:04:35.980 --> 07:04:36.920 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006103 07:04:39.000 --> 07:04:40.080 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, asr-006104 07:04:40.840 --> 07:04:43.200 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: in accordance with the rules governing inquiries asr-006105 07:04:43.200 --> 07:04:44.360 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: in aid of legislation, asr-006106 07:04:45.040 --> 07:04:47.280 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: I move to refer the following House resolutions asr-006107 07:04:47.280 --> 07:04:48.680 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the appropriate committees. asr-006108 07:04:49.340 --> 07:04:51.160 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: House Resolution 1429 asr-006109 07:04:51.160 --> 07:04:53.040 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committees on Energy, asr-006110 07:04:53.340 --> 07:04:54.960 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Visayas Development, asr-006111 07:04:55.380 --> 07:04:56.080 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and Legislative Franchises. asr-006112 07:04:56.640 --> 07:04:59.240 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: House Resolution 1430 asr-006113 07:04:59.240 --> 07:05:00.960 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committees on Energy, asr-006114 07:05:01.340 --> 07:05:03.700 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Visayas Development and Legislative Franchises. asr-006115 07:05:03.760 --> 07:05:08.160 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: And House Resolution 1439 asr-006116 07:05:08.160 --> 07:05:09.880 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committees on Energy, asr-006117 07:05:10.100 --> 07:05:11.980 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Visayas Development, asr-006118 07:05:12.040 --> 07:05:12.640 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and Legislative Franchises. asr-006119 07:05:14.120 --> 07:05:15.600 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? asr-006120 07:05:16.200 --> 07:05:17.720 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Hearing none, the motion is approved. asr-006121 07:05:18.840 --> 07:05:19.600 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006122 07:05:19.680 --> 07:05:22.340 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move for the change of referral asr-006123 07:05:22.340 --> 07:05:25.000 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of House Resolutions Nos. asr-006124 07:05:25.000 --> 07:05:25.360 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: 1024, asr-006125 07:05:25.380 --> 07:05:26.000 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: 1031 asr-006126 07:05:26.000 --> 07:05:28.900 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and 1114. asr-006127 07:05:30.020 --> 07:05:32.840 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: From the Committees on Energy and Legislative Franchises asr-006128 07:05:32.840 --> 07:05:35.880 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committees on Energy, Visayas Development asr-006129 07:05:35.880 --> 07:05:37.700 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and Legislative Franchises. asr-006130 07:05:37.700 --> 07:05:39.760 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none. asr-006131 07:05:40.680 --> 07:05:41.440 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Motion is approved. asr-006132 07:05:42.120 --> 07:05:44.200 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to suspend session asr-006133 07:05:44.200 --> 07:05:45.040 Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: for a few minutes. asr-006134 07:05:45.600 --> 07:05:46.380 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Motion suspended. asr-006172 07:23:51.500 --> 07:23:59.980 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move that we resume consideration of House Bill No. 10858, and for this purpose request the Secretary General to read the title of the bill. asr-006173 07:24:00.000 --> 07:24:03.960 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The Secretary General is directed to read the title of the bill. asr-006174 07:24:05.280 --> 07:24:18.860 Secretary-General: House Bill 10858, An Act Appropriating Funds for the Operation of the Government of the Republic of the Philippines from January 1 to December 31, 2027. asr-006175 07:24:20.360 --> 07:24:21.420 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006176 07:24:21.660 --> 07:24:28.100 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, the parliamentary status of the bill is that we are in the period of sponsorship and debate. asr-006177 07:24:28.100 --> 07:24:34.620 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move to consider the proposed budget of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development. asr-006178 07:24:39.540 --> 07:24:49.660 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: We consider the proposed budget of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development. asr-006179 07:24:51.520 --> 07:24:52.600 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006180 07:24:53.060 --> 07:24:56.200 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Including the attached agency. asr-006181 07:25:10.440 --> 07:25:11.060 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006182 07:25:11.060 --> 07:25:19.120 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, may we acknowledge the heads and officials of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development. asr-006183 07:25:19.380 --> 07:25:27.820 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Secretary Arsenio Balisacan, Usec Rosemarie Edillon, Usec Dennis Mapa, Usec Joseph Capuno, asr-006184 07:25:28.100 --> 07:25:38.780 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Usec Melbourne Ziro Pana, Usec Glenda Rumohr, Asec Reynaldo Cancio, Asec Roderick Planta, Asec Agnes Tolentino, asr-006185 07:25:38.780 --> 07:25:46.780 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Executive Director Lisa Grace Bersales, Senior VP Magdalena Mendoza, President Philip Arnold Tuanyo, asr-006186 07:25:48.220 --> 07:25:59.500 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Executive Director Donald James Gaue, Executive Director Josefina Almeda, Chairperson Mary Lou Mendoza, and Deputy Executive Director Eleazer E. Ricote. asr-006187 07:26:00.500 --> 07:26:07.500 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: We acknowledge the presence of the heads and officials from the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development. asr-006188 07:26:07.760 --> 07:26:09.740 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Welcome to the House of Representatives. asr-006189 07:26:10.260 --> 07:26:10.920 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006190 07:26:11.800 --> 07:26:15.300 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move that we open the period of sponsorship and debate. asr-006191 07:26:17.300 --> 07:26:18.220 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? asr-006192 07:26:19.060 --> 07:26:20.980 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Hearing none, motion is approved. asr-006193 07:26:24.180 --> 07:26:25.060 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006194 07:26:25.060 --> 07:26:27.060 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the asr-006195 07:26:28.100 --> 07:26:39.100 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Honorable Bella Vanessa Suansing, Vice Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations, to sponsor the proposed budget of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development. asr-006196 07:26:40.260 --> 07:26:48.260 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Representative Bella Suansing, Vice Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations, is hereby recognized. asr-006197 07:26:48.260 --> 07:26:50.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-006198 07:26:51.260 --> 07:26:57.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleagues, this representation has the great privilege of sponsoring the proposed budget asr-006199 07:26:57.260 --> 07:26:57.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development. asr-006200 07:26:57.860 --> 07:27:09.100 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The Department of Economy, Planning, and Development, or DepDev, and its attached agencies for fiscal year 2027, amounting to 18.474 billion pesos. asr-006201 07:27:09.100 --> 07:27:27.100 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As a primary policy, planning, coordinating, and monitoring arm of the national government, DEPDev has continually assured the formulation of policies that pursue the objectives of the Philippine Development Plan 2023?2028 asr-006202 07:27:27.860 --> 07:27:28.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to shepherd economic asr-006203 07:27:28.860 --> 07:27:37.900 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and social transformation through productive and strategic investments in the country?s social and economic sectors. asr-006204 07:27:38.860 --> 07:27:42.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: At a time when our country faces external headwinds that raise challenges to each segment of Philippine society, asr-006205 07:27:42.140 --> 07:27:46.440 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it is incumbent upon our government and this Congress asr-006206 07:27:46.440 --> 07:27:54.460 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to assure the continued operations of DEPDev in pursuit of its mandate asr-006207 07:27:55.340 --> 07:27:55.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to facilitate policies that encourage local investment, asr-006211 07:27:57.140 --> 07:27:59.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: coordinate asr-006212 07:27:59.260 --> 07:28:01.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the vertical and horizontal alignment asr-006213 07:28:01.380 --> 07:28:03.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and coherence of national and asr-006214 07:28:03.180 --> 07:28:05.360 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: subnational policies, plans, and programs, asr-006215 07:28:06.020 --> 07:28:07.500 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and to generate impartial, asr-006216 07:28:08.620 --> 07:28:09.280 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: objective, and asr-006217 07:28:09.280 --> 07:28:11.460 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: evidence-based policy analysis and recommendations. asr-006218 07:28:12.680 --> 07:28:13.280 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It is then asr-006219 07:28:13.280 --> 07:28:14.900 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the humble appeal of this representation asr-006220 07:28:14.900 --> 07:28:17.040 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for this Chamber to support the immediate asr-006221 07:28:17.040 --> 07:28:18.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: passage of the proposed fiscal year asr-006222 07:28:18.800 --> 07:28:21.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 2027 budget of the Department of asr-006223 07:28:21.000 --> 07:28:22.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Economy, Planning, and Development. asr-006224 07:28:23.380 --> 07:28:25.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: This representation is ready asr-006225 07:28:25.120 --> 07:28:27.040 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to answer questions and look forward to asr-006226 07:28:27.040 --> 07:28:29.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: very productive discussions. asr-006227 07:28:30.360 --> 07:28:31.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-006228 07:28:31.900 --> 07:28:32.700 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader. asr-006229 07:28:33.360 --> 07:28:35.040 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move that we asr-006230 07:28:35.040 --> 07:28:37.020 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: recognize the Honorable J.C. asr-006231 07:28:37.100 --> 07:28:38.520 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Abalos of the asr-006232 07:28:38.520 --> 07:28:40.920 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: 4Ps Party-list to interpellate asr-006233 07:28:40.920 --> 07:28:43.000 Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: on the proposed budget of DEPDev. asr-006234 07:28:43.740 --> 07:28:45.340 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none. asr-006235 07:28:45.340 --> 07:28:47.700 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Representative Abalos is recognized. asr-006236 07:28:48.600 --> 07:28:49.220 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, asr-006237 07:28:49.640 --> 07:28:51.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: distinguished sponsor sa asr-006238 07:28:51.320 --> 07:28:53.760 Rep. JC M. Abalos: DEPTEV, pati sa kanyang mga naka-akibat asr-006239 07:28:53.760 --> 07:28:55.520 Rep. JC M. Abalos: na ahensya, magandang-magandang asr-006240 07:28:55.520 --> 07:28:56.880 Rep. JC M. Abalos: gabi po. Madam Speaker, asr-006241 07:28:57.040 --> 07:28:59.140 Rep. JC M. Abalos: will the distinguished sponsor yield to a few asr-006242 07:28:59.140 --> 07:28:59.740 Rep. JC M. Abalos: questions? asr-006243 07:29:00.900 --> 07:29:02.580 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, gladly, Madam Speaker. asr-006244 07:29:03.020 --> 07:29:05.200 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Maraming maraming salamat po, Madam Speaker, asr-006245 07:29:05.380 --> 07:29:06.360 Rep. JC M. Abalos: distinguished sponsor. asr-006246 07:29:06.920 --> 07:29:09.200 Rep. JC M. Abalos: For the information of the distinguished sponsor asr-006247 07:29:09.200 --> 07:29:10.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: as well as the DEPTEV, asr-006248 07:29:10.860 --> 07:29:13.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ikatlong budget cycle na po ito, Madam Speaker, asr-006249 07:29:13.020 --> 07:29:14.840 Rep. JC M. Abalos: na nais ko pong magtanong asr-006250 07:29:14.840 --> 07:29:17.240 Rep. JC M. Abalos: tungkol sa community-based monitoring asr-006251 07:29:17.240 --> 07:29:18.800 Rep. JC M. Abalos: system na pinapangunahan asr-006252 07:29:18.800 --> 07:29:20.980 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng Philippine Statistics Authority. asr-006253 07:29:21.840 --> 07:29:22.220 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Noong asr-006254 07:29:22.220 --> 07:29:25.040 Rep. JC M. Abalos: 2019, Madam Speaker, ipinasan asr-006255 07:29:25.040 --> 07:29:27.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: natin ang Republic Act No. 11315, asr-006256 07:29:27.040 --> 07:29:29.220 Rep. JC M. Abalos: o ang Community-Based asr-006257 07:29:29.220 --> 07:29:30.920 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Monitoring System Act. asr-006258 07:29:31.500 --> 07:29:33.140 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Simula noon, taon-taon asr-006259 07:29:33.140 --> 07:29:34.680 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ay naglalaan ang gobyerno asr-006260 07:29:34.680 --> 07:29:37.220 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng pondo para maitayo, ma-implement, asr-006261 07:29:37.480 --> 07:29:38.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ma-validate, at magamit asr-006262 07:29:38.860 --> 07:29:41.200 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ang sistemang ito. And, Madam Speaker, asr-006263 07:29:41.360 --> 07:29:42.940 Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi po maliit ang halaga asr-006264 07:29:42.940 --> 07:29:45.000 Rep. JC M. Abalos: na pinag-uusapan natin tungkol asr-006265 07:29:45.000 --> 07:29:46.600 Rep. JC M. Abalos: diton. Para lamang sa asr-006266 07:29:46.600 --> 07:29:48.740 Rep. JC M. Abalos: 2024 nationwide operation asr-006267 07:29:48.740 --> 07:29:50.520 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng POPCEN CBMS, asr-006268 07:29:51.080 --> 07:29:52.580 Rep. JC M. Abalos: bilyong-bilyong piso ang asr-006269 07:29:52.580 --> 07:29:54.720 Rep. JC M. Abalos: inilaan para sa CBMS. asr-006270 07:29:54.720 --> 07:29:56.720 Rep. JC M. Abalos: At ngayong 2027, asr-006271 07:29:57.040 --> 07:29:59.200 Rep. JC M. Abalos: humihingi na naman tayo ng humigit- asr-006272 07:29:59.200 --> 07:30:00.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kumulang asr-006273 07:30:00.000 --> 07:30:05.380 Rep. JC M. Abalos: 5.06 billion para sa CBMS, para sa panibagong cycle. asr-006274 07:30:05.960 --> 07:30:09.120 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Unang-una, pwede po ba ito kumpirmahin ng ating sponsor asr-006275 07:30:09.120 --> 07:30:15.180 Rep. JC M. Abalos: na may halagang mahigit kumulang 5.06 billion para sa CBMS for year 2027? asr-006276 07:30:16.140 --> 07:30:17.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006277 07:30:17.360 --> 07:30:19.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, would the distinguished sponsor also confirm asr-006278 07:30:19.860 --> 07:30:23.880 Rep. JC M. Abalos: that for year 2024 when the POPCEN CBMS was conducted, asr-006279 07:30:24.500 --> 07:30:28.200 Rep. JC M. Abalos: meron rin ditong budget na nakaalan na humigit kumulang 5 billion piso din? asr-006280 07:30:28.200 --> 07:30:58.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006281 07:30:58.200 --> 07:31:01.180 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ang 2027, 10 billion na agad to. asr-006282 07:31:01.440 --> 07:31:02.820 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So nais ko po malaman, Madam Chair, asr-006283 07:31:03.300 --> 07:31:05.660 Rep. JC M. Abalos: mula nung naisabatas ang CBMS, asr-006284 07:31:05.920 --> 07:31:10.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: magkano na po ang total appropriations na ininvest ng ating pamahalaan sa CBMS? asr-006285 07:31:28.200 --> 07:31:32.740 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, perhaps we could stop my time as we wait for the response from the sponsor. asr-006286 07:31:38.240 --> 07:31:39.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes. asr-006287 07:31:39.640 --> 07:31:42.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then from 2024... asr-006348 07:32:52.500 --> 07:33:14.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, so from 2019 to 2023, given that we were only doing pilot programs for the CBMS, 500 million po yung inallocate natin for the CBMS. asr-006349 07:33:14.120 --> 07:33:31.060 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then for 2024, mayroon na pong 5 billion kasi full-fledged na po yung pag-implement because it was a census year. We conducted the census in 2024, so for 2025 and 2026, again 500 million annually. asr-006350 07:33:31.080 --> 07:33:38.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then for 2027, since we're also conducting the census for 2027, 5 billion din po ang i-allocate. asr-006351 07:33:38.680 --> 07:33:43.140 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Maraming salamat po, distinguished sponsor. So, uulitin ko lang po, Madam Speaker. asr-006352 07:33:43.740 --> 07:33:50.380 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kung sakaling papayagan po natin na bigyan muli ng mahigit 5 bilyong piso ang CBMS, asr-006353 07:33:50.860 --> 07:34:00.680 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ang ibig sabihin ito, mula nung naisabatas ang CBMS, magkakaroon po tayo ng more than 10 billion pesos that will be allocated to the CBMS. asr-006354 07:34:00.680 --> 07:34:05.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Just one thing I want to make clear here, Madam Speaker. Hindi po ako tutol sa CBMS. asr-006355 07:34:05.140 --> 07:34:07.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: As a matter of fact, I fully support it. asr-006356 07:34:07.980 --> 07:34:15.380 Rep. JC M. Abalos: When the CBMS Act was enacted into law, I thought that this would be a time wherein this would usher a new era asr-006357 07:34:15.380 --> 07:34:20.540 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung saan meron po tayong data-driven at evidence-based governance. asr-006358 07:34:21.120 --> 07:34:28.960 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kaya nga po mula naging membro ako ng Kongreso, taon-taon, parating ko po tinatanong kung ano yung mga nagiging accomplishment ng CBMS asr-006359 07:34:28.960 --> 07:34:36.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: dahil nagsisilbi po itong gabay, hindi lamang sa LGU, kung hindi, sa bawat ahensya po ng pamahalaan. asr-006360 07:34:36.420 --> 07:34:46.600 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ngayon, ngayong nalaman po natin ang potential investment natin sa CBMS, gusto ko po malaman, Madam Speaker, kung ano ang nakuha natin kapalit nito. asr-006361 07:34:47.140 --> 07:34:55.940 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Uulitin ko po, Madam Speaker, we've spent more than 5 billion pesos for the CBMS and we're looking to invest 5 billion pesos more. asr-006362 07:34:55.940 --> 07:34:58.940 Rep. JC M. Abalos: It's very important for us to know kung ano ang kabalitan. asr-006363 07:34:58.960 --> 07:35:02.220 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kung ano ang buoang investment na makukuha natin kapalit nito. asr-006364 07:35:04.140 --> 07:35:12.280 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Unang-una, Madam Speaker, importante ang CBMS dahil hindi nakuhulaan ng gobyerno kung saan ang kahirapan. asr-006365 07:35:13.060 --> 07:35:16.260 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi na kanyang-kanyang listahan ang bawat ahensya. asr-006366 07:35:16.960 --> 07:35:24.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi na dapat may hiwalay na listahan ang DSWD, ang ibang departamento, at ibang listahan ng LGU na hindi nagtutugma. asr-006367 07:35:24.860 --> 07:35:28.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kaya po ipinasa ang CBMS Act para magkaroon tayo ng ehem. asr-006368 07:35:28.960 --> 07:35:37.940 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Updated, disaggregated, household level information na maaaring gamitin ng national government at local government asr-006369 07:35:37.940 --> 07:35:46.060 Rep. JC M. Abalos: para malaman natin sino sa ating populasyon, sino sa pamayanan ang nangangailangan, nasaan sila, ano ang kailangan nila, asr-006370 07:35:46.540 --> 07:35:50.940 Rep. JC M. Abalos: at saan dapat mapunta ang limitadong pondo ng gobyerno. asr-006371 07:35:50.940 --> 07:35:58.040 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And after all these years, and after all these billions allocated, magandang malaman po natin, Madam Speaker, asr-006372 07:35:58.220 --> 07:35:58.940 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung na-deliverance. asr-006373 07:35:58.960 --> 07:36:01.280 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Mag-deliver ba natin ang pangakong yun? asr-006374 07:36:02.020 --> 07:36:07.400 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, as I've said, taon-taon po natin sinusubaybayan ang CBMS. asr-006375 07:36:07.560 --> 07:36:14.500 Rep. JC M. Abalos: As a matter of fact, during the deliberations for the 2025 budget, if my recollection is correct, asr-006376 07:36:15.340 --> 07:36:26.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: the PSA said, on the plenary, as we were deliberating its budget, noong 2025, 70% completed ang CBMS. asr-006377 07:36:26.340 --> 07:36:30.520 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And during that time, they even provided us original targets. asr-006378 07:36:30.620 --> 07:36:32.840 Rep. JC M. Abalos: This is all on the record, Madam Speaker. asr-006379 07:36:33.340 --> 07:36:37.640 Rep. JC M. Abalos: They said, October or December 2024, tatapusin na nila. asr-006380 07:36:38.160 --> 07:36:40.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ngunit, hindi nasunod. asr-006381 07:36:40.400 --> 07:36:45.420 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And then during the succeeding budget deliberations, last year, August last year, asr-006382 07:36:45.940 --> 07:36:54.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: sinabi po sa atin na completed na ang 2024 CBMS covering approximately 26.3 million households. asr-006383 07:36:54.860 --> 07:36:55.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Could the distinguished sponsor? asr-006384 07:36:56.340 --> 07:36:57.520 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Could the distinguished sponsor confirm this? asr-006385 07:37:00.700 --> 07:37:02.960 Rep. JC M. Abalos: This is all on the record, Madam Speaker. asr-006386 07:37:03.260 --> 07:37:05.560 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Sinabi po sa atin ng PSA last year, asr-006387 07:37:06.120 --> 07:37:11.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kumpleto na ang CBMS covering 26.3 million households. asr-006388 07:37:13.860 --> 07:37:15.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-006389 07:37:15.700 --> 07:37:17.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Just to the first point, asr-006390 07:37:17.680 --> 07:37:23.320 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we are one with our distinguished colleague that it's actually one of the mandates of the DepDep. asr-006391 07:37:24.460 --> 07:37:26.220 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It's supposed to generate, asr-006392 07:37:26.700 --> 07:37:32.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: impartial and evidence-based analysis and programs that pursue national development. asr-006393 07:37:32.160 --> 07:37:36.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that is precisely the reason why we establish a CBMS. asr-006394 07:37:37.820 --> 07:37:41.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Just with regards to the accomplishments of the CBMS, asr-006395 07:37:41.140 --> 07:37:43.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this is from, according to the PSA, asr-006396 07:37:44.620 --> 07:37:49.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 26.9 million households were collected information from, asr-006397 07:37:50.020 --> 07:37:54.280 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: yeah, from out of the 29.7 million total households. asr-006398 07:37:54.280 --> 07:37:55.280 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that's 91%. asr-006399 07:37:56.340 --> 07:37:57.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: After that, asr-006400 07:37:57.340 --> 07:38:02.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and 2.9 million households were then identified as poor. asr-006401 07:38:03.340 --> 07:38:07.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Another 2.5 million households were identified as near poor. asr-006402 07:38:07.340 --> 07:38:08.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, asr-006403 07:38:08.340 --> 07:38:09.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, asr-006404 07:38:09.340 --> 07:38:15.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: could the distinguished sponsor confirm kung last year during the plenary budget deliberations, asr-006405 07:38:16.340 --> 07:38:22.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: the PSA mentioned here in the plenary that the CBMS was completed, asr-006406 07:38:22.340 --> 07:38:24.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: covering more than 26 million households. asr-006407 07:38:24.340 --> 07:38:25.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: This is all in the record. asr-006408 07:38:25.340 --> 07:38:25.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And gusto ko lang ito. asr-006409 07:38:25.780 --> 07:38:28.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And gusto ko lang po i-confirm ng distinguished sponsor na asr-006410 07:38:28.780 --> 07:38:31.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: yun po ang naging representation ng PSA dito sa Kongreso. asr-006411 07:38:31.780 --> 07:38:33.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kompleto na daw siya as of last year. asr-006412 07:38:34.780 --> 07:38:35.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006413 07:38:35.780 --> 07:38:40.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: We confirm that we did indeed say that the CBMS was complete. asr-006414 07:38:40.780 --> 07:38:48.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: All data was transmitted to the DSWD for their evaluation on the conditionality. asr-006415 07:38:48.780 --> 07:38:53.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Of course, for the assessments and so that they can be guided in terms of asr-006416 07:38:53.780 --> 07:38:54.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: what programs to evaluate. asr-006417 07:38:54.780 --> 07:38:56.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: What programs to institute. asr-006418 07:38:56.780 --> 07:38:58.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: With that being said, asr-006419 07:38:58.780 --> 07:39:03.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the data that was collected because the CBMS was completed asr-006420 07:39:03.780 --> 07:39:06.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: was used for the following DSWD programs, asr-006421 07:39:06.780 --> 07:39:08.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the four-piece program, asr-006422 07:39:08.780 --> 07:39:10.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the walang gutom program, asr-006423 07:39:10.780 --> 07:39:12.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the social pension, asr-006424 07:39:12.780 --> 07:39:16.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and the uplift beneficiaries which we ruled out because of the fuel crisis. asr-006425 07:39:16.780 --> 07:39:18.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That's only for 2026. asr-006426 07:39:18.780 --> 07:39:19.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, asr-006427 07:39:19.780 --> 07:39:21.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: and if I also remember correctly, asr-006428 07:39:21.780 --> 07:39:23.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: binanggit rin po ng PSA sa atin dito, asr-006429 07:39:23.780 --> 07:39:24.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: last year, asr-006430 07:39:24.780 --> 07:39:27.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi lamang DSWD ang nag-request ng datos na ito. asr-006431 07:39:27.780 --> 07:39:30.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: At sinabi po ito ng budget sponsor last year. asr-006432 07:39:30.780 --> 07:39:32.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Sinabi nila na noong, asr-006433 07:39:32.780 --> 07:39:34.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: for year 2026, asr-006434 07:39:34.780 --> 07:39:36.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: may mga ahensya po, asr-006435 07:39:36.780 --> 07:39:37.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi lamang DSWD, asr-006436 07:39:37.780 --> 07:39:39.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kundi kasama dito ang DA, DOE, asr-006437 07:39:39.780 --> 07:39:40.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: TESDA, asr-006438 07:39:40.780 --> 07:39:41.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: NCSC, asr-006439 07:39:41.780 --> 07:39:42.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: DepEd, asr-006440 07:39:42.780 --> 07:39:43.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: DOLE, asr-006441 07:39:43.780 --> 07:39:44.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: DOH, asr-006442 07:39:44.780 --> 07:39:47.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung saan naghihingi po sila ng datos. asr-006443 07:39:47.780 --> 07:39:49.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So hindi lamang DSWD programs dito. asr-006444 07:39:49.780 --> 07:39:50.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: As a matter of fact, asr-006445 07:39:50.780 --> 07:39:52.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: the CBMS is the backbone asr-006446 07:39:52.780 --> 07:39:54.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: of all our programs. asr-006447 07:39:54.780 --> 07:39:56.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ito po yung datos na mag-guide, asr-006448 07:39:56.780 --> 07:39:58.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi lamang sa ating mga policy makers, asr-006449 07:39:58.780 --> 07:39:59.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung hindi, asr-006450 07:39:59.780 --> 07:40:01.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: pati sa implementers ng ating mga programs. asr-006451 07:40:01.780 --> 07:40:03.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And could the distinguished sponsor confirm this? asr-006452 07:40:03.780 --> 07:40:04.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi lamang DSWD, asr-006453 07:40:04.780 --> 07:40:07.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kundi lahat ng iba't ibang ahensya ng pamahalaan. asr-006454 07:40:07.780 --> 07:40:09.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006455 07:40:09.780 --> 07:40:10.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As a matter of fact, asr-006456 07:40:10.780 --> 07:40:11.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: besides all of the asr-006457 07:40:11.780 --> 07:40:14.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: agencies mentioned by our distinguished colleague, asr-006458 07:40:14.780 --> 07:40:15.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: so that's DSWD, asr-006459 07:40:15.780 --> 07:40:16.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DA, asr-006460 07:40:16.780 --> 07:40:17.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DOE, asr-006461 07:40:17.780 --> 07:40:18.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: PhilHealth, asr-006462 07:40:18.780 --> 07:40:19.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DOLE, asr-006463 07:40:19.780 --> 07:40:21.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the National Commission on Senior Citizens, asr-006464 07:40:21.780 --> 07:40:23.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: so this is for the social attention, asr-006465 07:40:23.780 --> 07:40:24.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DepEd, asr-006466 07:40:24.780 --> 07:40:25.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the TESDA, asr-006467 07:40:25.780 --> 07:40:26.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DOH, asr-006468 07:40:26.780 --> 07:40:28.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and the National Council on Disability Affairs. asr-006469 07:40:28.780 --> 07:40:29.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-006470 07:40:29.780 --> 07:40:31.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: gusto ko po malaman, asr-006471 07:40:31.780 --> 07:40:34.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ano ba ang definition ng Philippine Statistics Authority asr-006472 07:40:34.780 --> 07:40:37.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung sinabi nila na completed na ang CBMS? asr-006473 07:40:37.780 --> 07:40:38.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kasi last year sinabi nila, asr-006474 07:40:38.780 --> 07:40:39.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: completed na, asr-006475 07:40:39.780 --> 07:40:42.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: covering 26.3 million households. asr-006476 07:40:42.780 --> 07:40:44.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Let me remind everyone once again, asr-006477 07:40:44.780 --> 07:40:47.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: limang bilyong piso ang ginastos natin dito. asr-006478 07:40:47.780 --> 07:40:50.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And it's not just about the collection of data eh. asr-006479 07:40:50.780 --> 07:40:53.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ang makalaga dito kung paano ginagamit ang datos na ito, asr-006480 07:40:53.780 --> 07:40:58.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: lalong-lalo na na pinaplano natin ang budget ng buong pamahalaan. asr-006481 07:40:58.780 --> 07:41:00.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-006482 07:41:00.780 --> 07:41:03.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the definition of the completion of the CBMS is that asr-006483 07:41:03.780 --> 07:41:05.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: all data has been gathered, asr-006484 07:41:05.780 --> 07:41:08.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: all data has been transmitted to the respective agencies asr-006485 07:41:08.780 --> 07:41:10.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and also to all of the LGUs. asr-006486 07:41:10.780 --> 07:41:11.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, Madam Speaker, asr-006487 07:41:11.780 --> 07:41:13.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: just to clarify ah, asr-006488 07:41:13.780 --> 07:41:16.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: when the PSA says that the CBMS was completed, asr-006489 07:41:16.780 --> 07:41:18.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kasama dito yung enumeration, asr-006490 07:41:18.780 --> 07:41:19.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: data collection, asr-006491 07:41:19.780 --> 07:41:21.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: processing, asr-006492 07:41:21.780 --> 07:41:22.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: validation, asr-006493 07:41:22.780 --> 07:41:23.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: turnover, asr-006494 07:41:23.780 --> 07:41:25.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: at dahil nagagamit na talaga siya asr-006495 07:41:25.780 --> 07:41:26.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng mga ahensya ng pamahalaan, asr-006496 07:41:26.780 --> 07:41:28.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: pati ng mga LGU? asr-006497 07:41:28.780 --> 07:41:30.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006498 07:41:30.780 --> 07:41:31.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Okay. asr-006499 07:41:31.780 --> 07:41:32.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, asr-006500 07:41:32.780 --> 07:41:33.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: so to recall, asr-006501 07:41:33.780 --> 07:41:34.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: last year, asr-006502 07:41:34.780 --> 07:41:35.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: sinabi ng PSA asr-006503 07:41:35.780 --> 07:41:38.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: that they have completed the CBMS. asr-006504 07:41:38.780 --> 07:41:41.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: We've spent more than 5 billion pesos for this. asr-006505 07:41:41.780 --> 07:41:43.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Meron po ako ditong sulat mismo. asr-006506 07:41:43.780 --> 07:41:47.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Mula sa Philippine Statistics Authority, asr-006507 07:41:47.780 --> 07:41:50.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: dated June 26, 2026, asr-006508 07:41:50.780 --> 07:41:53.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: addressed to the Committee on Poverty Alleviation. asr-006509 07:41:53.780 --> 07:41:57.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: According to that letter, Madam Speaker, asr-006510 07:41:57.780 --> 07:42:05.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: 1,499 out of 1,628 cities and municipalities asr-006511 07:42:05.780 --> 07:42:13.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: or 92% had received their respective 2024 CBMS data files. asr-006512 07:42:13.780 --> 07:42:15.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Meaning, Madam Speaker, asr-006513 07:42:15.780 --> 07:42:19.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kahit na sinasabi ng PSA na kompleto na ang CBMS, asr-006514 07:42:19.780 --> 07:42:27.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: it appears that 129 LGUs had still not received their data. asr-006515 07:42:27.780 --> 07:42:29.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, Madam Speaker, asr-006516 07:42:29.780 --> 07:42:33.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung sinabi natin noong 2025 last year na complete na siya, asr-006517 07:42:33.780 --> 07:42:36.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: pero pagdating ng June this year, asr-006518 07:42:36.780 --> 07:42:40.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: meron pa tayong 129 LGUs na naghihintay pa rin, asr-006519 07:42:40.780 --> 07:42:44.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ano po talaga ang ibig sabihin ng complete, Madam Speaker? asr-006524 07:42:54.780 --> 07:42:57.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: perhaps we could pause my time as we wait for her response. asr-006533 07:43:10.300 --> 07:43:13.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Could our distinguished colleague please repeat the date of the asr-006539 07:43:13.780 --> 07:43:15.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: letter that you received? asr-006540 07:43:16.300 --> 07:43:17.180 Rep. JC M. Abalos: June 16, asr-006541 07:43:17.920 --> 07:43:18.920 Rep. JC M. Abalos: 2026. asr-006542 07:43:20.920 --> 07:43:22.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam asr-006543 07:43:22.080 --> 07:43:23.360 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Speaker. Thank you, Distinguished Colleague. asr-006544 07:43:23.620 --> 07:43:25.980 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As of now, as for the PSA, all asr-006545 07:43:25.980 --> 07:43:27.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 1,604 asr-006546 07:43:27.860 --> 07:43:29.100 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: LGUs have asr-006547 07:43:29.100 --> 07:43:31.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: received the data for the CBMS. asr-006548 07:43:32.420 --> 07:43:34.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Partly the reason why asr-006549 07:43:34.120 --> 07:43:36.200 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: probably as of asr-006550 07:43:36.200 --> 07:43:38.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: June, around asr-006551 07:43:38.180 --> 07:43:39.580 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 129 asr-006552 07:43:39.580 --> 07:43:42.100 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: LGUs have yet to receive their asr-006553 07:43:42.100 --> 07:43:43.980 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: CBMS data asr-006554 07:43:43.980 --> 07:43:46.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: is that one of the asr-006555 07:43:46.120 --> 07:43:47.740 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: requirements for the LGUs asr-006556 07:43:47.740 --> 07:43:49.060 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: before they receive asr-006557 07:43:49.060 --> 07:43:51.820 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the CBMS data would be asr-006558 07:43:51.820 --> 07:43:54.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the existence or the designation asr-006559 07:43:54.020 --> 07:43:55.640 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of a National Privacy Officer. asr-006560 07:43:55.980 --> 07:43:57.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Sorry, a Data Privacy Officer asr-006561 07:43:57.780 --> 07:43:59.720 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for the National Privacy Commission. asr-006562 07:44:00.600 --> 07:44:02.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that might be one of the asr-006563 07:44:02.140 --> 07:44:04.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: reasons why as of June, there asr-006564 07:44:04.080 --> 07:44:06.100 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: was a delay. But now, we asr-006565 07:44:06.100 --> 07:44:08.060 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: can confirm, as per asr-006566 07:44:08.060 --> 07:44:10.620 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the PSA, that all 1,604 asr-006567 07:44:10.620 --> 07:44:12.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: LGUs have received asr-006568 07:44:12.080 --> 07:44:13.300 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: their CBMS data. asr-006569 07:44:14.380 --> 07:44:15.880 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, so is it safe to say asr-006570 07:44:15.880 --> 07:44:18.300 Rep. JC M. Abalos: that all LGUs asr-006571 07:44:18.300 --> 07:44:20.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: already have a final and asr-006572 07:44:20.020 --> 07:44:21.680 Rep. JC M. Abalos: usable CBMS asr-006573 07:44:21.680 --> 07:44:23.540 Rep. JC M. Abalos: data set? asr-006574 07:44:25.400 --> 07:44:26.640 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006575 07:44:26.960 --> 07:44:28.460 Rep. JC M. Abalos: May na-monitor po ba, Madam Speaker, asr-006576 07:44:28.620 --> 07:44:30.280 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng PSA kung asr-006577 07:44:30.280 --> 07:44:31.720 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ilang LGU ang asr-006578 07:44:31.720 --> 07:44:34.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: aktual nang gumagamit ng CBMS asr-006579 07:44:34.020 --> 07:44:35.740 Rep. JC M. Abalos: para sa local planning, budgeting, asr-006580 07:44:36.000 --> 07:44:38.240 Rep. JC M. Abalos: investment programming, and beneficiary asr-006581 07:44:38.240 --> 07:44:40.040 Rep. JC M. Abalos: targeting? Pati na rin po sa asr-006582 07:44:40.040 --> 07:44:41.960 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ating mga national government, asr-006583 07:44:42.080 --> 07:44:44.120 Rep. JC M. Abalos: government agencies, pati sa mga departments. asr-006584 07:44:46.040 --> 07:44:47.580 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006585 07:44:48.200 --> 07:44:50.320 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Besides that, the PSA also conducts asr-006586 07:44:50.320 --> 07:44:52.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: trainings for local employees asr-006587 07:44:52.480 --> 07:44:54.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and also monitoring asr-006588 07:44:54.260 --> 07:44:56.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of their processes. asr-006589 07:44:57.040 --> 07:44:58.260 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Can the PSA furnish asr-006590 07:44:58.260 --> 07:45:00.000 Rep. JC M. Abalos: to this representation kung ano yung asr-006596 07:45:00.000 --> 07:45:02.380 Rep. JC M. Abalos: monitoring mechanisms ninyo at kung ano-ano asr-006597 07:45:02.380 --> 07:45:03.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: mga LGU ang gumagamit nito asr-006598 07:45:03.780 --> 07:45:05.880 Rep. JC M. Abalos: at kung ano-ano mga departamento asr-006599 07:45:05.880 --> 07:45:08.040 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ang gumagamit ng CBMS data sets. asr-006600 07:45:08.780 --> 07:45:10.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. The agency asr-006601 07:45:10.140 --> 07:45:11.400 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: will comply. asr-006601-split-2 07:45:11.400 --> 07:45:12.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Going back to the letter asr-006602 07:45:12.320 --> 07:45:14.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: that was furnished to the Committee on Poverty asr-006603 07:45:14.320 --> 07:45:15.840 Rep. JC M. Abalos: on Poverty Alleviation, Madam Speaker, asr-006604 07:45:17.260 --> 07:45:18.040 Rep. JC M. Abalos: sinabi rin po ng asr-006605 07:45:18.040 --> 07:45:20.140 Rep. JC M. Abalos: PSA na nagkaroon muna ng asr-006606 07:45:20.140 --> 07:45:21.920 Rep. JC M. Abalos: presentation sa LGUs asr-006607 07:45:21.920 --> 07:45:23.700 Rep. JC M. Abalos: prior to data sharing asr-006608 07:45:23.700 --> 07:45:26.260 Rep. JC M. Abalos: to ensure accuracy. Is this correct, asr-006609 07:45:26.260 --> 07:45:27.140 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker? asr-006610 07:45:28.120 --> 07:45:29.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006611 07:45:29.140 --> 07:45:31.760 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Maaari ko po ba malaman kung ano po asr-006612 07:45:31.760 --> 07:45:33.800 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ang ginagawa sa mga during these asr-006613 07:45:33.800 --> 07:45:34.400 Rep. JC M. Abalos: presentations? asr-006614 07:45:45.620 --> 07:45:48.080 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Pagbibigay po ako ng halimbawa, Madam Speaker. asr-006615 07:45:48.600 --> 07:45:50.100 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Nagpapakita ba tayo ng aggregated asr-006616 07:45:50.100 --> 07:45:51.420 Rep. JC M. Abalos: data? Kunwari, asr-006617 07:45:52.280 --> 07:45:53.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: mayor, ganitong percentage ng asr-006618 07:45:53.860 --> 07:45:55.600 Rep. JC M. Abalos: households ninyo ang walang asr-006619 07:45:55.600 --> 07:45:56.480 Rep. JC M. Abalos: access sa tubig. asr-006620 07:45:57.640 --> 07:45:58.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ganon po ba yung parang asr-006621 07:45:58.780 --> 07:46:00.680 Rep. JC M. Abalos: proseso, yun pa yung mga data. Could the asr-006622 07:46:00.680 --> 07:46:02.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: distinguished sponsor elaborate on asr-006623 07:46:02.860 --> 07:46:04.980 Rep. JC M. Abalos: this process para lang meron tayong idea asr-006624 07:46:04.980 --> 07:46:07.160 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung gaano kahalaga ang CBMS? asr-006625 07:46:07.720 --> 07:46:09.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006626 07:46:09.660 --> 07:46:11.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, in the asr-006627 07:46:11.020 --> 07:46:12.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: presentation of CBMS data asr-006628 07:46:12.860 --> 07:46:15.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to our LGUs or LSEs, asr-006629 07:46:15.680 --> 07:46:17.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the PSA, asr-006630 07:46:17.360 --> 07:46:18.220 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the representatives, asr-006631 07:46:18.720 --> 07:46:20.640 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: furnish or present asr-006632 07:46:20.640 --> 07:46:22.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: tables. So, these are the products asr-006633 07:46:22.940 --> 07:46:23.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of the surveys. asr-006634 07:46:25.700 --> 07:46:27.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Like a summary asr-006635 07:46:27.080 --> 07:46:28.760 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of, like, asr-006636 07:46:28.780 --> 07:46:30.660 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: targeted municipal-level data. asr-006637 07:46:31.180 --> 07:46:33.420 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then, the LCEs asr-006638 07:46:33.420 --> 07:46:34.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and all of the local asr-006639 07:46:34.480 --> 07:46:36.700 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: officials and employees present, asr-006640 07:46:36.940 --> 07:46:39.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: then, give feedback to the PSA asr-006641 07:46:39.000 --> 07:46:40.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: with regards to asr-006642 07:46:40.860 --> 07:46:43.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the data, whether or not asr-006643 07:46:43.780 --> 07:46:45.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this is accurate asr-006644 07:46:45.340 --> 07:46:46.720 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: or not. And then, asr-006645 07:46:47.160 --> 07:46:49.440 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it's a continuous feedback mechanism asr-006646 07:46:49.440 --> 07:46:51.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: on the part of the PSA and the LGUs. asr-006647 07:46:51.620 --> 07:46:53.460 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, babalikan ko lang po ulit, no? asr-006648 07:46:53.460 --> 07:46:55.480 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kasi hanggang ngayon, hindi ko pa rin po maunawaan asr-006649 07:46:55.480 --> 07:46:57.480 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung bakit last year asr-006650 07:46:57.480 --> 07:46:58.540 Rep. JC M. Abalos: sinabi ng PSA, asr-006651 07:46:58.780 --> 07:47:00.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: na na-turnover na nila asr-006652 07:47:00.780 --> 07:47:02.840 Rep. JC M. Abalos: lahat ng CBMS data. asr-006653 07:47:03.540 --> 07:47:04.960 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Tapos ngayon, sasabihin nila na asr-006654 07:47:04.960 --> 07:47:06.620 Rep. JC M. Abalos: parang ngayon lang siya nangyari. asr-006655 07:47:07.120 --> 07:47:09.460 Rep. JC M. Abalos: But, I feel like, Madam Speaker, asr-006656 07:47:09.580 --> 07:47:11.440 Rep. JC M. Abalos: na parang nagkaroon ng misrepresentation asr-006657 07:47:11.440 --> 07:47:13.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: sa akin. Nung nakaraang taon, asr-006658 07:47:13.620 --> 07:47:15.440 Rep. JC M. Abalos: nung sinabi ng PSA, na completed asr-006659 07:47:15.440 --> 07:47:17.520 Rep. JC M. Abalos: na nila. When, as a matter of fact, asr-006660 07:47:17.640 --> 07:47:19.400 Rep. JC M. Abalos: they sent a letter to the Committee on Poverty asr-006661 07:47:19.400 --> 07:47:20.380 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Elevation this year, asr-006662 07:47:21.200 --> 07:47:23.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: saying that not all LGUs have received asr-006663 07:47:23.340 --> 07:47:25.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: their CBMS datasets. So, can we asr-006664 07:47:25.320 --> 07:47:27.220 Rep. JC M. Abalos: get some clarification on the asr-006665 07:47:27.220 --> 07:47:28.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: representation that this, asr-006666 07:47:28.780 --> 07:47:30.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: the PSA mentioned during the asr-006667 07:47:30.340 --> 07:47:32.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: budget deliberations last year? asr-006668 07:47:45.440 --> 07:47:46.820 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Perhaps we could pause my time asr-006669 07:47:46.820 --> 07:47:48.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: as we wait for a response. asr-006671 07:48:12.600 --> 07:48:13.560 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-006672 07:48:14.020 --> 07:48:15.040 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Just to clarify, asr-006673 07:48:15.580 --> 07:48:17.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: just to do a step-by-step. So, asr-006674 07:48:17.440 --> 07:48:19.420 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: after the presentation of the tables asr-006675 07:48:19.420 --> 07:48:21.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to the LGUs, asr-006676 07:48:21.220 --> 07:48:22.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the LECEs, asr-006677 07:48:23.900 --> 07:48:24.280 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: at the, asr-006678 07:48:24.780 --> 07:48:27.540 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: on the spot, there has to be asr-006679 07:48:27.540 --> 07:48:29.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: a data privacy officer. asr-006680 07:48:30.280 --> 07:48:31.840 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: If not, then asr-006681 07:48:31.840 --> 07:48:34.200 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the CBMS asr-006682 07:48:34.200 --> 07:48:35.440 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: data, which already asr-006683 07:48:35.440 --> 07:48:37.640 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: is completed, cannot be asr-006684 07:48:37.640 --> 07:48:38.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: fully turned over. asr-006685 07:48:39.460 --> 07:48:41.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, why didn't the PSA mention this asr-006686 07:48:41.780 --> 07:48:43.060 Rep. JC M. Abalos: to us last year? asr-006687 07:48:43.520 --> 07:48:45.880 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kaya po ito napaka-importante sa akin, Madam Speaker, asr-006688 07:48:46.040 --> 07:48:47.980 Rep. JC M. Abalos: dahil ngayong 20th Congress, asr-006689 07:48:48.440 --> 07:48:49.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: nagpasa po ako ng resolution, asr-006690 07:48:50.520 --> 07:48:52.360 Rep. JC M. Abalos: nagbigay ako ng privilege speech, asr-006691 07:48:52.480 --> 07:48:53.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: dahil natuklasan ko na hindi pa pala asr-006692 07:48:53.860 --> 07:48:56.220 Rep. JC M. Abalos: tapos yung CBMS. Kahit na sinabi nila asr-006693 07:48:56.220 --> 07:48:57.380 Rep. JC M. Abalos: last year, natapos na siya. asr-006694 07:48:57.540 --> 07:48:59.060 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, yung sa akin lang po, Madam Speaker, asr-006695 07:48:59.720 --> 07:49:01.960 Rep. JC M. Abalos: sana, sinabi ng PSA ito asr-006696 07:49:01.960 --> 07:49:04.000 Rep. JC M. Abalos: sa atin, nung nakaraang taon, asr-006697 07:49:04.240 --> 07:49:05.880 Rep. JC M. Abalos: para maiwasan natin yung mga ganitong problema. asr-006698 07:49:05.980 --> 07:49:07.160 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, yung tanong ko po, Madam Speaker, asr-006699 07:49:07.780 --> 07:49:09.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ba't ngayon lang nila sa atin sinasabi asr-006700 07:49:09.340 --> 07:49:11.660 Rep. JC M. Abalos: na may mga data privacy compliances asr-006701 07:49:11.660 --> 07:49:13.140 Rep. JC M. Abalos: kaya hindi pa na ito turn over? asr-006702 07:49:13.380 --> 07:49:15.600 Rep. JC M. Abalos: When? They could have said that during the budget asr-006703 07:49:15.600 --> 07:49:16.660 Rep. JC M. Abalos: deliberations last year. asr-006704 07:49:27.540 --> 07:49:37.660 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, we understand, Madam Speaker, asr-006705 07:49:37.820 --> 07:49:40.240 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the concern of our distinguished colleague. asr-006706 07:49:40.840 --> 07:49:45.400 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Really, from the 2025 deliberations, asr-006707 07:49:45.980 --> 07:49:48.980 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it was really because of this requirement asr-006708 07:49:48.980 --> 07:49:50.700 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for the data privacy officers, asr-006709 07:49:50.820 --> 07:49:53.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: which we thought would not be a hindrance asr-006710 07:49:53.920 --> 07:49:57.320 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to the full turnover of CBMS data. asr-006711 07:49:58.000 --> 07:50:00.040 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And that's the reason why asr-006712 07:50:00.040 --> 07:50:02.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: at the time, asr-006713 07:50:02.880 --> 07:50:04.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the requirement wasn't asr-006714 07:50:04.860 --> 07:50:06.900 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: fully implemented. asr-006715 07:50:08.340 --> 07:50:08.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then, asr-006716 07:50:10.240 --> 07:50:11.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: over the course of asr-006717 07:50:11.340 --> 07:50:13.560 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the turnover to the LGUs, asr-006718 07:50:13.620 --> 07:50:14.660 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it became a requirement. asr-006719 07:50:14.960 --> 07:50:16.980 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, ano po ang measured error rate asr-006720 07:50:16.980 --> 07:50:18.000 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng CBMS? asr-006721 07:50:20.000 --> 07:50:21.040 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ilan ang duplicate? asr-006722 07:50:21.500 --> 07:50:22.420 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ilan ang missing household? asr-006723 07:50:23.200 --> 07:50:24.740 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ilan ang maliang household composition? asr-006724 07:50:25.320 --> 07:50:26.640 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ilan maliang employment status? asr-006725 07:50:26.640 --> 07:50:34.120 Rep. JC M. Abalos: ilan ang maling socioeconomic information, may mga tao ba sa database na sinasabing patay na pero buhay pa pala. asr-006726 07:50:34.480 --> 07:50:42.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Gusto ko pong malaman dahil napaka-importante po nito habang pinaplano natin ang budget ng bawat departamento na umaasa sa datos. asr-006727 07:50:42.740 --> 07:50:51.540 Rep. JC M. Abalos: At napaka-importante po, Madam Speaker ng CBMS, dahil isa po itong gabay para sigurado tayo na ang mga pulisiyan natin sinasalamin niya ang pangangailangan ng pamayanan. asr-006728 07:50:56.640 --> 07:51:06.200 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, so the CBMS is a census. asr-006729 07:51:06.200 --> 07:51:13.420 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So after which the census is conducted, the PSA then checks with the death registry. asr-006730 07:51:14.440 --> 07:51:21.500 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that is the way in which we check at least for the deaths recorded. asr-006731 07:51:23.760 --> 07:51:26.580 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, but in terms of the margin of error, asr-006732 07:51:26.640 --> 07:51:40.440 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it's really a continuous back-to-forth, I think it's a case-by-case basis regarding which constituency or which area, which jurisdiction would be subject to this. asr-006733 07:51:40.440 --> 07:51:46.820 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So up to now, Madam Speaker, wala pa po tayong precise number kung ano yung margin of error dun sa mga datos na nakokolekta natin mula sa CBMS. asr-006734 07:51:48.080 --> 07:51:56.500 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Wala po tayong error rate, wala po tayong metric or data sa mga kinokolekta natin kung mayroong erroneous na entry. asr-006735 07:51:56.640 --> 07:51:57.840 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Wala po tayong idea. asr-006736 07:52:00.460 --> 07:52:05.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, just to clarify, Madam Speaker, the CBMS is a census, it's not a survey. asr-006737 07:52:06.800 --> 07:52:10.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So it's literally a collection of data. asr-006738 07:52:11.060 --> 07:52:21.860 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, pwede ko po ba malaman, ano yung pinakamatandang household record na ginagamit pa rin ngayon bilang current CBMS information? asr-006739 07:52:21.860 --> 07:52:26.620 Rep. JC M. Abalos: For example, gusto ko po malaman, Madam Speaker, ano yung average or median age? asr-006740 07:52:26.640 --> 07:52:34.100 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Considering na hindi naman siya ginawa all at once. May mga census kayong ginawa sa ibang time frame. asr-006741 07:52:34.200 --> 07:52:38.280 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So pwede po ba namin malaman, Madam Speaker, ano yung average or median age ng records? asr-006742 07:52:41.580 --> 07:52:49.820 Rep. JC M. Abalos: May mga records po ba tayo galing mula 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026? Pwede po ba namin malaman yun, Madam Speaker? asr-006743 07:52:56.640 --> 07:53:19.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 2024 CBMS, Madam Speaker, is the oldest record that we have for using for PSA data. asr-006744 07:53:19.920 --> 07:53:25.040 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ano naman po, Madam Speaker, yung pinakabago? 2024 lang ba lahat? asr-006745 07:53:26.640 --> 07:53:44.460 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kasi naiintindihan ko po, Madam Speaker, the first cycle, POPs and CBMS 2024, I want to find out if there are certain household information collected beyond 2024. asr-006746 07:53:44.460 --> 07:53:50.460 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Let's say last year, may mga sinensos ba kayo ng 2025? May mga sinensos ba kayo ng 2026? asr-006747 07:53:50.460 --> 07:53:57.060 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Or 2024 lang ba lahat? asr-006748 07:53:57.460 --> 07:54:13.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: For social protection, Madam Speaker, the oldest would be 2024. But for the FIES, which is the Family Income and Expenditure Survey, it would be just for 2026. asr-006749 07:54:14.440 --> 07:54:20.440 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So meron pong two-year interval yung FIES and for social protection. asr-006750 07:54:20.460 --> 07:54:21.740 Rep. JC M. Abalos: For social services, is that correct? asr-006751 07:54:22.060 --> 07:54:23.980 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, two-year interval, Madam Speaker. asr-006752 07:54:24.600 --> 07:54:34.140 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Okay. So, Madam Speaker, yung tanong ko po sa PSA, and of course, for the guidance of all our government agencies who are relying on the CBMS data, asr-006753 07:54:34.820 --> 07:54:40.840 Rep. JC M. Abalos: malaking pagkakaiba po kasi yung mga nakokollect natin ng 2026 and 2024. asr-006754 07:54:41.520 --> 07:54:49.460 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Dahil sa isang household, in the span of two years, a lot can change. May mga nawawala ng trabaho, may mga lumilipat. asr-006755 07:54:50.460 --> 07:55:01.580 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, yung tanong po dito, masyado na bang luma ang household information, let's say, ng 2024 para gamitin sa beneficiary targeting? asr-006756 07:55:01.960 --> 07:55:12.500 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And I also want to know, Madam Speaker, maglalaan tayo muli ng 5 billion para sa CBMS census, kailan po yung target date natin para isagawa ang second cycle? asr-006757 07:55:20.460 --> 07:55:42.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006758 07:55:42.920 --> 07:55:49.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the agency agrees that given the long interval, asr-006759 07:55:50.460 --> 07:55:58.520 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we can't fully capture the shocks that we experience over the course of those two years. asr-006760 07:55:58.960 --> 07:56:09.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, that's precisely the reason why for 2027, we're asking for 5 billion, because of the shocks that happened in 2025 and also, of course, 2026. asr-006761 07:56:09.940 --> 07:56:17.540 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, really, the 5 billion for the CBMS for 2027, besides the regular census processes, asr-006762 07:56:20.460 --> 07:56:32.400 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: so, the effects of those shocks in 2025 and 2026, so that social protection programs and all social policies would be informed and tailored accordingly. asr-006763 07:56:32.960 --> 07:56:37.300 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, kailan po yung target natin para sa second cycle ng CBMS? asr-006764 07:56:38.380 --> 07:56:40.540 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: September 2027, Madam Speaker. asr-006765 07:56:40.960 --> 07:56:48.660 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And gusto ko po malaman, ano yung pinaka-recent na CBMS data turnover na ibinigay ng PSA sa LGU this year? asr-006766 07:56:49.220 --> 07:56:50.300 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ano yung pinaka-recent yung turnover? asr-006769 07:57:30.000 --> 07:57:33.550 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: First quarter of 2026, Madam Speaker. asr-006770 07:57:33.550 --> 07:57:52.800 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So you mean to tell me, Madam Speaker, kunwari isa po akong LGU, natanggap ko lamang ang aking CBMS data nung taong 2026, tapos 2027 maglalaan tayo ng 5 bilyon ulit, tapos kokolektahan na naman ako ng data sa 2027? asr-006771 07:57:52.800 --> 07:57:59.180 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi po ba, Madam Speaker, parang nakapanghinayang na isang taon lang halos napakinabangan ng data na na-collect? asr-006772 07:57:59.640 --> 07:58:06.420 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And, since malapit na po matapos oras ko, Madam Speaker, may I just illustrate kung gaano po kaimportante ang CBMS? asr-006773 07:58:06.560 --> 07:58:10.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And I hope our kind sponsor helps me verify this information. asr-006774 07:58:11.200 --> 07:58:12.660 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Magbibigay po ako ng example. asr-006775 07:58:13.440 --> 07:58:17.100 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Status of CBMS source, social pension validation. asr-006776 07:58:17.400 --> 07:58:19.180 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Para po ito sa social pension ng ating mga seniors. asr-006777 07:58:20.040 --> 07:58:21.100 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Total potential balance. asr-006778 07:58:21.140 --> 07:58:23.020 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Beneficiaries identified from CBMS. asr-006779 07:58:23.200 --> 07:58:24.080 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Batches 1 to 3. asr-006780 07:58:24.460 --> 07:58:28.060 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Figure, 568,651. asr-006781 07:58:28.600 --> 07:58:34.980 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Remaining for field validation, 251,318. asr-006782 07:58:35.540 --> 07:58:41.780 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Chair, sa aming pagsusuri, nagpapakita naman na gumagana mas kipapano ang ating CBMS. asr-006783 07:58:41.900 --> 07:58:45.540 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Dahil may mga na-identify tayong mga beneficiaries. asr-006784 07:58:46.240 --> 07:58:50.540 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kaso lang po, binavalidate pa rin yung remaining 251,318. asr-006785 07:58:51.140 --> 07:58:55.960 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Beneficiaries, hindi lamang po sa social pension for senior citizens. asr-006786 07:58:56.460 --> 07:59:02.800 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Mas ka sa 4Ps, for example, may 107,000 households pa subject to validation. asr-006787 07:59:03.420 --> 07:59:15.600 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Like I said, Madam Speaker, napakahalaga po ng CBMS dahil ito po ang listahan na pinapagbasihan natin for our social protection programs for our most vulnerable sectors. asr-006788 07:59:15.600 --> 07:59:21.000 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi po biro ang perang inilalaan natin para dito at napakahalaga po ito para mag-guide ang ating... asr-006789 07:59:21.140 --> 07:59:22.460 Rep. JC M. Abalos: National Government Agency. asr-006790 07:59:22.620 --> 07:59:24.840 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, can we get a response from our distinguished sponsor? asr-006791 07:59:26.460 --> 07:59:28.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-006792 07:59:28.840 --> 07:59:34.360 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: With regards to the social pension particularly, there are multiple layers of validation. asr-006793 07:59:35.120 --> 07:59:40.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: For one, it's the PSA checks for the death registry. asr-006794 07:59:40.580 --> 07:59:46.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: At the same time, given that there's an age requirement for being able to avail of the social pension, so 60, asr-006795 07:59:47.000 --> 07:59:50.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: they also counter-check that with other surveys and other... asr-006796 07:59:51.140 --> 07:59:51.640 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Registries. asr-006797 07:59:52.400 --> 07:59:57.880 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, that would be at least one of the reasons why validation takes so long. asr-006798 07:59:58.940 --> 08:00:00.040 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: At least on the part of the... asr-006799 08:00:00.000 --> 08:00:06.480 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Before I close, Madam Speaker, may I request from our distinguished sponsor as well as the PSA, asr-006800 08:00:06.480 --> 08:00:14.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: baka pwede niyo po ako bigyan ng timeline lang kung meron kayong target dates for completion sa mga bina-validate niyo pa pong population asr-006801 08:00:14.340 --> 08:00:22.940 Rep. JC M. Abalos: dahil napakahalaga po yung timely delivery ng data, lalong-lalo na po na maglalaan tayo ulit ng mahigit 5 bilyong piso asr-006802 08:00:22.940 --> 08:00:29.040 Rep. JC M. Abalos: at magsasagawa na naman tayo ng census sa parating na taon. asr-006803 08:00:29.040 --> 08:00:37.820 Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, pwede ko po ba makuha yung commitment ng ating sponsor pati ng PSA na bibigyan tayo ng timeline kung kailan nila tatapusin ang validation, asr-006804 08:00:38.120 --> 08:00:44.340 Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi lamang sa social pension, hindi lamang sa 4Ps, kundi sa lahat ng programa na may pending pa tayong validation. asr-006805 08:00:45.800 --> 08:00:52.580 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. The agency will assess and will furnish a copy to our good colleagues. asr-006806 08:00:53.100 --> 08:00:58.580 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, gusto ko pong ulitin and I hope hindi po ako mamisinterpret ng definition. asr-006807 08:00:59.040 --> 08:01:11.320 Rep. JC M. Abalos: I want the CBMS to succeed. Napakaganda po kasi ng vision ng batas dahil napakahalaga na alam po natin kung saan may deprivation of services. asr-006808 08:01:11.540 --> 08:01:17.140 Rep. JC M. Abalos: We must know where government resources must go to populations that need it the most. asr-006809 08:01:17.640 --> 08:01:24.880 Rep. JC M. Abalos: And of course, magandang bigyan natin ang pagkakataon yung mga LGU na magplano based on actual household conditions. asr-006810 08:01:25.880 --> 08:01:28.280 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Yun lamang po, Madam Speaker. asr-006811 08:01:29.040 --> 08:01:34.540 Rep. JC M. Abalos: Salamat po ako sa ating distinguished sponsor, pati po sa DepDev at sa PSA. Maraming salamat po. Magandang gabi po. asr-006812 08:01:34.800 --> 08:01:36.460 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-006813 08:01:36.660 --> 08:01:39.040 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Thank you, Honorable Abalos, Majority Leader. asr-006814 08:01:48.040 --> 08:01:57.560 Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable Roberto Nazal of BH Party-list to interpellate on the proposed budget asr-006815 08:01:57.560 --> 08:01:59.020 Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development, asr-006816 08:01:59.040 --> 08:02:03.160 Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: including its attached agencies and corporations. asr-006817 08:02:03.840 --> 08:02:07.700 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The Honorable Roberto Nazal is recognized. asr-006818 08:02:08.700 --> 08:02:12.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Chair, distinguished sponsor. Good evening to the DepDev. asr-006819 08:02:15.500 --> 08:02:25.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, through you, do you agree, distinguished sponsor, that when government spending is significantly delayed asr-006820 08:02:25.160 --> 08:02:27.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: or falls short of program, asr-006821 08:02:29.040 --> 08:02:30.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that can slow economic growth? asr-006822 08:02:32.000 --> 08:02:34.460 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. We agree. asr-006823 08:02:36.500 --> 08:02:42.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Every year, we have unobligated, unused, and reverted appropriations. asr-006824 08:02:43.760 --> 08:02:47.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Does DepDev compute the economic cost? asr-006825 08:02:48.620 --> 08:02:55.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Not just the unused money, but the projects, jobs, services, and economic activity that were delayed? asr-006826 08:02:55.980 --> 08:02:56.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you. asr-006827 08:02:59.040 --> 08:03:14.540 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, there is a competition with regards to primary infrastructure, asr-006828 08:03:14.720 --> 08:03:21.400 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the effects of delays in primary infrastructure projects, and also social programs. asr-006829 08:03:21.960 --> 08:03:22.300 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker. asr-006830 08:03:22.300 --> 08:03:26.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, distinguished sponsor. asr-006831 08:03:26.760 --> 08:03:27.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, and do you show the... asr-006832 08:03:27.300 --> 08:03:28.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, and do you show the... asr-006833 08:03:28.500 --> 08:03:31.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, and do you show this to the agencies concerned? asr-006834 08:03:32.660 --> 08:03:36.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Does DepDev, minapakita po ba ito sa mga ahensya? asr-006835 08:03:37.340 --> 08:03:43.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And do we tell them what their failure to implement is costing the economy? asr-006836 08:03:47.600 --> 08:03:48.280 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Okay. asr-006837 08:03:49.160 --> 08:03:50.560 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006838 08:03:51.240 --> 08:03:53.200 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: These are discussed with the agencies. asr-006839 08:03:53.480 --> 08:03:56.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: This is also reported to the President through the Economic Development Council. asr-006840 08:03:56.800 --> 08:03:57.880 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Okay. asr-006841 08:03:58.500 --> 08:04:01.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, distinguished sponsor. asr-006842 08:04:02.420 --> 08:04:09.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Natsi-check po ba natin, distinguished sponsor, Madam Chair, kung ano yung bottlenecks? asr-006843 08:04:09.180 --> 08:04:23.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And once identified, do we recommend what the executive and the legislature needs to do to help departments address them? asr-006844 08:04:25.460 --> 08:04:26.760 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, these are checked, Madam Speaker. asr-006845 08:04:28.500 --> 08:04:40.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, kapag may cabinet meeting po, do we flag the repeat underspenders and explain what their failure to implement is costing the economy? asr-006846 08:04:41.820 --> 08:04:43.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, the level of the cabinet. asr-006847 08:04:43.800 --> 08:04:50.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do we have the data kung sino po ang laging underspending? asr-006848 08:04:51.440 --> 08:04:55.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And can you give a sample kung ano po ang nagiging cost nito sa economy? asr-006849 08:04:56.660 --> 08:04:57.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay. asr-006850 08:04:58.500 --> 08:05:19.500 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, just for those that fall within the purview of the DEPDEV, which is the primary infrastructure programs and the social programs, asr-006851 08:05:19.640 --> 08:05:24.220 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: but in terms of agency per agency, that would be under the DBM? asr-006852 08:05:24.220 --> 08:05:28.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: For example, in 2020... asr-006853 08:05:28.500 --> 08:05:40.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: In 2025, Madam Chair, ang dami po natin naging underspending at marami po tayo naging FISARO under sa DPWH, for example. asr-006854 08:05:42.340 --> 08:05:54.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano po ang naging economic effect nung underspending natin sa DPWH noong 2025? asr-006855 08:05:56.440 --> 08:05:56.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay. asr-006856 08:05:58.500 --> 08:06:03.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And can you cite the economic indicators na naapektuhan? asr-006857 08:06:05.960 --> 08:06:16.560 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As per the DEPDEV, if these projects would have been implemented in a timely manner, we would have grown an additional 1%. asr-006858 08:06:16.560 --> 08:06:19.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: 1% in terms of GDP? asr-006859 08:06:20.180 --> 08:06:20.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: In terms of GDP. asr-006860 08:06:21.560 --> 08:06:23.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, Madam Sponsor. asr-006861 08:06:23.820 --> 08:06:23.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Sponsor. asr-006862 08:06:25.220 --> 08:06:28.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: How about implementation? asr-006863 08:06:28.500 --> 08:06:41.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Every year, we see unfilled positions and heavy reliance on JOs and job orders and contract of service workers. asr-006864 08:06:42.880 --> 08:06:51.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: The DEPDEV study, whether these recurring staffing issues are constraining government implementation and economic growth. asr-006865 08:06:51.240 --> 08:06:55.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And if this happens year after year, asr-006866 08:06:56.460 --> 08:06:58.260 Rep. Roberto Nazal: shouldn't there be a greater urgency? asr-006867 08:06:58.500 --> 08:07:00.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Should we find a government-wide solution? asr-006868 08:07:09.100 --> 08:07:19.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: In terms of the unfilled positions and the effect of these unfilled positions with regards to performances of agencies, asr-006869 08:07:20.240 --> 08:07:22.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that would not be under the purview of the DEPDEV. asr-006870 08:07:23.640 --> 08:07:26.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: However, with regards to the job orders, asr-006871 08:07:26.800 --> 08:07:32.100 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and those workers for contracts of service, asr-006872 08:07:32.540 --> 08:07:37.300 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DEPDEV has issued an EO recommending for social protections for them. asr-006873 08:07:37.840 --> 08:07:38.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Again, sorry. asr-006874 08:07:39.260 --> 08:07:40.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can you repeat that, Madam Sponsor? asr-006875 08:07:40.620 --> 08:07:44.320 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The DEPDEV, so, the DEPDEV cannot, asr-006876 08:07:45.100 --> 08:07:51.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DEPDEV doesn't assess the effects of unfilled positions and JOs and the COSs asr-006877 08:07:51.860 --> 08:07:55.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: with regards to the implementing capacity of agencies, asr-006878 08:07:55.800 --> 08:07:56.440 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: agencies. asr-006879 08:07:56.800 --> 08:08:04.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But, it has issued an executive order recommending for social protections for workers who are job orders, asr-006880 08:08:04.800 --> 08:08:05.740 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: contracts of service. asr-006881 08:08:05.740 --> 08:08:08.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po ba dapat tingnan din po natin ito? asr-006882 08:08:09.840 --> 08:08:12.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And it's about time we look at it because, first and foremost, asr-006883 08:08:13.940 --> 08:08:20.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung JOs and COS po, ang dami po nating posisyon na laging hindi nafi-fill up na asr-006884 08:08:21.200 --> 08:08:22.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: mga permanent positions. asr-006885 08:08:23.960 --> 08:08:26.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And yung JOs and COS, asr-006886 08:08:26.340 --> 08:08:29.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: they remain people who have no security of tenure. asr-006887 08:08:31.480 --> 08:08:33.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And siyempre, that will affect, asr-006888 08:08:33.840 --> 08:08:35.460 Rep. Roberto Nazal: if I were in their position, asr-006889 08:08:36.020 --> 08:08:40.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and wala po akong titignan na magiging future ko, asr-006890 08:08:41.640 --> 08:08:43.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: unstable po yung aking kinabukasan, asr-006891 08:08:44.200 --> 08:08:46.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po ba makakaapekto yun sa productivity? asr-006892 08:08:47.780 --> 08:08:49.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, it will. asr-006893 08:08:49.920 --> 08:08:52.660 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Given that, of course, livelihood and security. asr-006894 08:08:52.660 --> 08:08:56.320 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And this is a problem year in and year out. asr-006895 08:08:57.080 --> 08:09:01.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Lagi po tayong ganito karami ang posisyon na dapat fill upan. asr-006896 08:09:01.580 --> 08:09:01.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero asr-006897 08:09:02.540 --> 08:09:05.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: napakadami namang JOs and COS, asr-006898 08:09:05.740 --> 08:09:08.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: tapos hindi po napupuno yung mga posisyon. asr-006899 08:09:09.520 --> 08:09:10.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And I'm sure, asr-006900 08:09:11.540 --> 08:09:13.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the DepDev will agree that asr-006901 08:09:13.920 --> 08:09:15.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: this will affect asr-006902 08:09:15.960 --> 08:09:18.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the productivity, asr-006903 08:09:18.940 --> 08:09:20.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: not only of the people asr-006904 08:09:20.040 --> 08:09:22.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: in those positions, asr-006905 08:09:22.420 --> 08:09:23.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: but also of the departments, asr-006906 08:09:23.640 --> 08:09:24.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi hindi po nila napupuno yung asr-006907 08:09:24.940 --> 08:09:26.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kailangan asr-006913 08:09:26.320 --> 08:09:27.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nilang punuin na trabaho. asr-006914 08:09:28.480 --> 08:09:29.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Na posisyon. asr-006915 08:09:30.220 --> 08:09:31.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do you agree, Madam Sponsor? asr-006916 08:09:32.900 --> 08:09:33.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes. Madam Chair. asr-006917 08:09:33.760 --> 08:09:35.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, we agree. asr-006918 08:09:35.440 --> 08:09:36.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The agency agrees. asr-006919 08:09:37.680 --> 08:09:39.600 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: However, as of now, asr-006920 08:09:40.000 --> 08:09:42.560 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this will not fall under the mandate of the DEF-DEF. asr-006921 08:09:42.560 --> 08:09:45.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: But what will the DEF-DEF do asr-006922 08:09:45.140 --> 08:09:47.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: moving forward? asr-006923 08:09:56.320 --> 08:10:07.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes, Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague. asr-006924 08:10:08.020 --> 08:10:09.820 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The DEF-DEF is part of asr-006925 08:10:09.820 --> 08:10:14.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the Committee on Drafting the IRRs asr-006926 08:10:14.940 --> 08:10:17.840 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and the Guidelines for the Government Optimization Act. asr-006927 08:10:18.560 --> 08:10:21.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: This might be one of the considerations asr-006928 08:10:21.160 --> 08:10:23.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that we will consider asr-006929 08:10:23.080 --> 08:10:26.300 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for the productivity asr-006930 08:10:26.300 --> 08:10:27.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of our workers. asr-006931 08:10:27.520 --> 08:10:28.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And baka po, it's about time asr-006932 08:10:28.860 --> 08:10:30.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that we measure this also asr-006933 08:10:30.080 --> 08:10:33.380 Rep. Roberto Nazal: so that we can definitely tell asr-006934 08:10:33.380 --> 08:10:34.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the Executive asr-006935 08:10:34.480 --> 08:10:36.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: or inform the Executive asr-006936 08:10:36.720 --> 08:10:38.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung ano po ang epekto asr-006937 08:10:38.000 --> 08:10:39.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nung tuloy-tuloy po asr-006938 08:10:39.420 --> 08:10:41.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: na hindi po nila pinupuno yung posisyon. asr-006939 08:10:42.740 --> 08:10:43.840 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-006940 08:10:44.280 --> 08:10:46.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Definitely, this will be one of the vehicles asr-006941 08:10:46.120 --> 08:10:48.240 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: in which we can raise this issue. asr-006942 08:10:51.880 --> 08:10:54.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'd like to continue to my next question. asr-006943 08:10:54.800 --> 08:10:55.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: On right-of-way, asr-006944 08:10:56.300 --> 08:10:59.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, Madam Sponsor, asr-006945 08:11:01.960 --> 08:11:04.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: isang kongkreto pong halimbawa asr-006946 08:11:04.560 --> 08:11:05.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay yung right-of-way, no? asr-006947 08:11:06.520 --> 08:11:09.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: We were informed in a meeting with DPWH asr-006948 08:11:09.640 --> 08:11:11.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that for BIT, asr-006949 08:11:13.400 --> 08:11:15.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: SIPAG, and convergence projects, asr-006950 08:11:16.180 --> 08:11:18.460 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the LGU is expected to finance asr-006951 08:11:18.460 --> 08:11:21.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the ROW, yung right-of-way. asr-006952 08:11:22.360 --> 08:11:24.260 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So ibig sabihin, for a project funded asr-006953 08:11:24.260 --> 08:11:25.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: in the national asr-006954 08:11:25.420 --> 08:11:25.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: G20, asr-006955 08:11:25.720 --> 08:11:29.380 Rep. Roberto Nazal: GAA, and implemented by DPWH, asr-006956 08:11:31.080 --> 08:11:32.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: anong posisyon ng DEPDEV, asr-006957 08:11:33.340 --> 08:11:34.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: sino po ba talaga asr-006958 08:11:34.640 --> 08:11:36.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang dapat mag-finance ng ROW? asr-006959 08:11:37.980 --> 08:11:40.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: National Government or LGU? asr-006960 08:11:40.620 --> 08:11:42.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi ang sabi po sa amin, asr-006961 08:11:43.120 --> 08:11:43.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pag asr-006962 08:11:43.440 --> 08:11:46.380 Rep. Roberto Nazal: under BIP, SIPAG, asr-006963 08:11:46.440 --> 08:11:47.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: or convergence, asr-006964 08:11:48.600 --> 08:11:50.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang dapat daw yung LGU. asr-006965 08:11:53.300 --> 08:11:54.200 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-006966 08:11:54.360 --> 08:11:55.680 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the position of the DEPDEV at least, asr-006967 08:11:55.720 --> 08:11:58.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: if it's a national project, asr-006968 08:11:58.480 --> 08:11:59.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: then it should be asr-006969 08:11:59.720 --> 08:12:01.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: funded nationally. asr-006970 08:12:01.960 --> 08:12:04.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Then, can we please come up with a asr-006971 08:12:04.400 --> 08:12:06.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: can we come up with a asr-006972 08:12:06.060 --> 08:12:08.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: siguro, I don't know kung anong pwede natin asr-006973 08:12:08.400 --> 08:12:08.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ilabas, asr-006974 08:12:09.440 --> 08:12:11.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: a recommendation asr-006975 08:12:11.720 --> 08:12:13.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: na asr-006976 08:12:13.100 --> 08:12:15.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: baka dapat po, asr-006977 08:12:16.800 --> 08:12:18.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kasi ang nangyayari sa atin, asr-006978 08:12:19.740 --> 08:12:20.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: any project asr-006979 08:12:20.800 --> 08:12:22.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: under BIP, SIPAG, and convergence, asr-006980 08:12:22.680 --> 08:12:24.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po siya natutuloy. asr-006981 08:12:25.720 --> 08:12:28.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Dahil, ang laging nagiging issue asr-006982 08:12:28.000 --> 08:12:30.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay sasabihin nila, LGU ang dapat magbayad. asr-006983 08:12:30.880 --> 08:12:32.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, nagiging problema po yung asr-006984 08:12:32.640 --> 08:12:33.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: right of way. asr-006985 08:12:36.980 --> 08:12:37.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: For me, asr-006986 08:12:40.680 --> 08:12:41.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: if it is sa national, asr-006987 08:12:41.880 --> 08:12:43.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: tama po yung sinabi nyo, and I agree, asr-006988 08:12:44.420 --> 08:12:46.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: para sa amin po, pagka national kasi, asr-006989 08:12:46.680 --> 08:12:48.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang ga-a, dapat ang asr-006990 08:12:48.420 --> 08:12:50.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: right of way, dapat sa asr-006991 08:12:50.640 --> 08:12:52.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: DPWH, dapat sa National Government. asr-006992 08:12:55.720 --> 08:12:57.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Meron na po bang final IRR asr-006993 08:12:57.880 --> 08:12:59.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang ARO Act? asr-007010 08:13:25.720 --> 08:13:34.760 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As per the agency, Madam Speaker, asr-007011 08:13:35.660 --> 08:13:37.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this would, the lead agency asr-007012 08:13:37.260 --> 08:13:38.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: would be the DPWH. asr-007013 08:13:38.760 --> 08:13:41.320 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, we're confirming, we'll get back to you, asr-007014 08:13:41.840 --> 08:13:42.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: distinguished colleague. asr-007015 08:13:43.340 --> 08:13:44.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you. asr-007016 08:13:45.120 --> 08:13:47.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung wala po pa po kasi, asr-007017 08:13:47.720 --> 08:13:49.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: can DEV-DEV asr-007018 08:13:49.740 --> 08:13:50.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: commit asr-007019 08:13:50.160 --> 08:13:53.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that this issue should be expressly asr-007020 08:13:53.040 --> 08:13:54.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: clarified in the IRR, asr-007021 08:13:55.160 --> 08:13:55.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: particularly, asr-007022 08:13:55.720 --> 08:13:59.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for BIP, SIPAG, and Convergence projects. asr-007023 08:13:59.160 --> 08:14:02.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, we agree, Madam Speaker. asr-007025 08:14:04.520 --> 08:14:14.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And kasi nga po, if LGUs are not supposed to finance the ROW, then bakit po yun ang understanding ng DPWH? asr-007035 08:14:14.560 --> 08:14:19.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Sana po malinaw na natin para po maiwasan na itong issue na ito. asr-007041 08:14:19.580 --> 08:14:32.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Has DEPDev, Madam Sponsor, quantified how many projects and how much in appropriations are currently delayed because of unresolved ROW? asr-007093 08:14:50.540 --> 08:14:57.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DepDEP will only have data on the IFPs, the Infrastructure Flagship Projects. asr-007094 08:14:57.340 --> 08:15:00.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But with the other infrastructure... asr-007095 08:15:00.000 --> 08:15:01.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: projects that would be under the asr-007096 08:15:01.920 --> 08:15:03.980 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: implementing agency? Madam Speaker. asr-007097 08:15:04.540 --> 08:15:06.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Then how can we say asr-007098 08:15:06.020 --> 08:15:08.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Speaker, asr-007099 08:15:08.580 --> 08:15:09.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor, asr-007100 08:15:10.280 --> 08:15:12.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: na we are monitoring kung ano po yung asr-007101 08:15:12.060 --> 08:15:14.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: mga delayed projects na hindi na i-implement asr-007102 08:15:14.220 --> 08:15:16.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: if we are not monitoring this? asr-007103 08:15:16.840 --> 08:15:17.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Because this is part asr-007104 08:15:17.940 --> 08:15:19.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and parcel of what asr-007105 08:15:19.900 --> 08:15:22.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the DPWH needs to be asr-007106 08:15:22.060 --> 08:15:24.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: able to implement the project and make asr-007107 08:15:24.040 --> 08:15:24.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the project asr-007108 08:15:24.620 --> 08:15:26.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: generate asr-007109 08:15:26.980 --> 08:15:29.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: benefit for asr-007110 08:15:29.020 --> 08:15:31.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: each project na matapos nila. asr-007111 08:15:33.220 --> 08:15:34.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung ito po ay asr-007112 08:15:34.100 --> 08:15:35.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: cause of delay, asr-007113 08:15:36.120 --> 08:15:38.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: magkano po ang nagiging asr-007114 08:15:38.180 --> 08:15:39.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: effect nito asr-007115 08:15:39.660 --> 08:15:40.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa ating ekonomiya? asr-007116 08:15:59.020 --> 08:16:05.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-007117 08:16:06.180 --> 08:16:07.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: really, well given asr-007118 08:16:07.920 --> 08:16:09.740 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that DEPDEV only has purview for asr-007119 08:16:09.740 --> 08:16:11.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the flagship programs, asr-007120 08:16:12.220 --> 08:16:13.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it will only have data on the asr-007121 08:16:13.860 --> 08:16:15.420 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: flagship program. But asr-007122 08:16:15.420 --> 08:16:17.760 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the rest of the projects asr-007123 08:16:17.760 --> 08:16:19.500 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: under the GAA, unfortunately asr-007124 08:16:19.500 --> 08:16:21.820 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DEPDEV doesn't have purview over that. asr-007125 08:16:22.820 --> 08:16:23.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: But shouldn't we be asr-007126 08:16:23.660 --> 08:16:24.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: monitoring this? asr-007127 08:16:25.940 --> 08:16:26.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor? asr-007128 08:16:26.780 --> 08:16:26.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor? asr-007129 08:16:29.020 --> 08:16:30.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi siyempre this will contribute asr-007130 08:16:30.940 --> 08:16:32.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: to the delay of asr-007131 08:16:32.220 --> 08:16:35.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung payback nung ating mga asr-007132 08:16:35.160 --> 08:16:37.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: gastos eh. Aren't we asr-007133 08:16:37.180 --> 08:16:39.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: borrowing also for this to accomplish asr-007134 08:16:39.300 --> 08:16:40.380 Rep. Roberto Nazal: itong mga project na to? asr-007135 08:16:41.280 --> 08:16:42.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And kung hindi po siya nagagawa, asr-007136 08:16:44.200 --> 08:16:44.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi ba meron asr-007137 08:16:44.920 --> 08:16:47.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: katumbas na asr-007138 08:16:47.180 --> 08:16:48.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: economic cost dito? asr-007139 08:16:50.080 --> 08:16:51.360 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam asr-007140 08:16:51.360 --> 08:16:51.680 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Speaker. asr-007141 08:16:52.740 --> 08:16:55.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well as of now, DEPDEV doesn't have asr-007142 08:16:55.160 --> 08:16:57.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the mandate to monitor the asr-007143 08:16:57.260 --> 08:16:59.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: project under the GAA. asr-007144 08:16:59.020 --> 08:17:01.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: However, I was asr-007145 08:17:01.160 --> 08:17:02.820 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: informed that the DBM does have asr-007146 08:17:02.820 --> 08:17:04.640 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Project DIME, which asr-007147 08:17:04.640 --> 08:17:06.620 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: somewhat pursues what asr-007148 08:17:06.620 --> 08:17:08.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: our distinguished colleague wants to do. asr-007149 08:17:08.960 --> 08:17:10.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So the data for this asr-007150 08:17:10.880 --> 08:17:12.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: should be with the DBM? asr-007151 08:17:12.760 --> 08:17:14.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-007152 08:17:14.500 --> 08:17:16.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero shouldn't the DEPDEV be familiar asr-007153 08:17:16.980 --> 08:17:18.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: with, shouldn't they share that asr-007154 08:17:18.980 --> 08:17:20.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: data with you po para alam nyo? asr-007155 08:17:29.020 --> 08:17:37.700 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-007156 08:17:38.920 --> 08:17:40.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: these challenges asr-007157 08:17:40.940 --> 08:17:42.360 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: are asr-007158 08:17:42.360 --> 08:17:44.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: discussed by the DEPDEV asr-007159 08:17:44.920 --> 08:17:46.880 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and the DBM during the asr-007160 08:17:46.880 --> 08:17:48.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Economic Development Council meeting. asr-007161 08:17:49.660 --> 08:17:50.760 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that is one asr-007162 08:17:50.760 --> 08:17:52.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: way in which they asr-007163 08:17:52.860 --> 08:17:53.980 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: exchange information. asr-007164 08:17:54.900 --> 08:17:56.280 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: However, with regards to the asr-007165 08:17:56.280 --> 08:17:58.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: project-by-project basis, it would be asr-007166 08:17:58.960 --> 08:18:00.880 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: through the Implementing Agency asr-007167 08:18:00.880 --> 08:18:02.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and DBM asr-007168 08:18:02.480 --> 08:18:03.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: as a project. asr-007169 08:18:04.360 --> 08:18:06.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'm just asking naman po if it's quantified asr-007170 08:18:06.800 --> 08:18:08.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: e, saka kung ano po yung effect asr-007171 08:18:08.400 --> 08:18:09.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: in terms of asr-007172 08:18:09.920 --> 08:18:12.460 Rep. Roberto Nazal: how asr-007173 08:18:12.460 --> 08:18:15.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: this is affecting the economic indicators asr-007174 08:18:15.160 --> 08:18:17.260 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung hindi po siya asr-007175 08:18:17.260 --> 08:18:19.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nagagawa. So kung alam po asr-007176 08:18:19.020 --> 08:18:21.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: natin yun, yun lang naman po ang tinatanong. asr-007177 08:18:28.960 --> 08:18:51.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can you patigil po nung aking? asr-007178 08:18:51.780 --> 08:18:52.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: We will, asr-007179 08:18:53.440 --> 08:18:54.680 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the agency will assess, asr-007180 08:18:55.480 --> 08:18:56.540 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the agency will discuss asr-007181 08:18:56.540 --> 08:18:58.880 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: like the best asr-007183 08:18:58.940 --> 08:19:00.200 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So those are the best ways in which we can asr-007184 08:19:00.200 --> 08:19:03.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: quantify these effects, Madam Speaker. asr-007185 08:19:04.100 --> 08:19:06.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, Madam Sponsor. asr-007186 08:19:07.720 --> 08:19:09.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: On earmarked asr-007187 08:19:09.040 --> 08:19:09.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: funds, asr-007188 08:19:10.900 --> 08:19:12.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor, Madam asr-007189 08:19:12.060 --> 08:19:14.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Speaker, Madam Chair, asr-007190 08:19:16.060 --> 08:19:16.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: from a planning asr-007191 08:19:16.720 --> 08:19:18.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: perspective, does DEPDEV study asr-007192 08:19:18.700 --> 08:19:20.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: how government handles asr-007193 08:19:20.360 --> 08:19:21.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: earmarked funds? asr-007194 08:19:25.500 --> 08:19:26.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: When the law kasi asr-007195 08:19:26.720 --> 08:19:28.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: earmarks revenues for a particular asr-007196 08:19:28.860 --> 08:19:31.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: development purpose, asr-007197 08:19:32.240 --> 08:19:32.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: do you compare asr-007198 08:19:32.980 --> 08:19:34.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the economic and social return of asr-007199 08:19:34.880 --> 08:19:37.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: deploying these funds asr-007200 08:19:37.080 --> 08:19:38.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: against the fiscal benefit asr-007201 08:19:38.780 --> 08:19:41.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: of national government, retaining asr-007202 08:19:41.040 --> 08:19:42.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the cash, reducing asr-007203 08:19:42.800 --> 08:19:44.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: borrowing, or using the fiscal asr-007204 08:19:44.920 --> 08:19:46.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: space elsewhere? asr-007205 08:19:49.000 --> 08:19:50.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pinitignan po ba natin ito? asr-007206 08:19:54.120 --> 08:19:55.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-007207 08:19:55.160 --> 08:19:57.040 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that would not be asr-007208 08:19:57.040 --> 08:19:58.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: under the DEPDEV's asr-007209 08:19:58.860 --> 08:20:00.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: mandate, though the asr-007210 08:20:00.800 --> 08:20:02.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DEPDEV, given that it's in charge asr-007211 08:20:02.960 --> 08:20:05.240 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of the macroeconomic asr-007212 08:20:05.240 --> 08:20:05.760 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: outlook, asr-007213 08:20:06.600 --> 08:20:09.040 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: would look at these challenges asr-007214 08:20:09.040 --> 08:20:10.900 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and also asr-007215 08:20:10.900 --> 08:20:13.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: these issues. But in terms asr-007216 08:20:13.020 --> 08:20:14.220 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of actually recommending asr-007217 08:20:14.220 --> 08:20:15.980 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: which particular asr-007218 08:20:15.980 --> 08:20:18.820 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: funding we should asr-007219 08:20:18.820 --> 08:20:20.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: propose for which particular sector, given that asr-007220 08:20:20.920 --> 08:20:23.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: there are earmarked revenues asr-007221 08:20:23.160 --> 08:20:24.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for that particular sector, asr-007222 08:20:24.960 --> 08:20:26.760 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DEPDEV doesn't have the mandate to asr-007223 08:20:26.760 --> 08:20:28.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: make such recommendations. asr-007224 08:20:28.860 --> 08:20:35.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, hindi po natin tinitignan. asr-007225 08:20:35.280 --> 08:20:36.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: We're not measuring this. asr-007226 08:20:37.920 --> 08:20:39.280 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po natin siya asr-007227 08:20:39.280 --> 08:20:41.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ina-assess. asr-007228 08:20:42.120 --> 08:20:42.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi, asr-007229 08:20:43.460 --> 08:20:46.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang sinasabi po asr-007230 08:20:46.080 --> 08:20:47.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor asr-007231 08:20:47.000 --> 08:20:50.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: in previous hearings, asr-007232 08:20:51.680 --> 08:20:53.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang sabi po sa amin asr-007233 08:20:53.740 --> 08:20:54.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: is cash is fungible. asr-007234 08:20:55.720 --> 08:20:55.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, asr-007235 08:20:55.900 --> 08:20:57.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: when we use asr-007236 08:20:57.900 --> 08:20:58.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the earmarked asr-007237 08:20:58.860 --> 08:21:00.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: funds for a particular asr-007238 08:21:00.700 --> 08:21:01.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: purpose, for example, asr-007239 08:21:01.960 --> 08:21:04.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung SUF, asr-007240 08:21:04.560 --> 08:21:06.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: we're using yung Spectrum Users Fund. asr-007241 08:21:07.720 --> 08:21:08.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: At hindi po siya asr-007242 08:21:08.920 --> 08:21:10.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nagagamit para sa free Wi-Fi. asr-007243 08:21:12.640 --> 08:21:12.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Tapos, asr-007244 08:21:13.040 --> 08:21:14.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang dami pong areas na hindi pa rin asr-007245 08:21:14.840 --> 08:21:16.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: natin nalalagyan asr-007246 08:21:16.920 --> 08:21:18.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng Wi-Fi. Pero, asr-007247 08:21:18.720 --> 08:21:20.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ginagamit yung pera at hindi siya asr-007248 08:21:20.820 --> 08:21:22.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nabibigay dun sa DICT asr-007249 08:21:22.680 --> 08:21:23.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for that purpose, asr-007250 08:21:25.080 --> 08:21:26.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po ba merong asr-007251 08:21:26.060 --> 08:21:27.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: trade-off yun? asr-007252 08:21:28.060 --> 08:21:28.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, asr-007253 08:21:28.860 --> 08:21:29.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that is what I'm asking. asr-007254 08:21:30.600 --> 08:21:32.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: If we are using it asr-007255 08:21:32.100 --> 08:21:33.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for a particular purpose, asr-007256 08:21:33.300 --> 08:21:33.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: halimbawa, asr-007257 08:21:33.880 --> 08:21:34.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ginamit natin siya asr-007258 08:21:34.800 --> 08:21:36.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for another project asr-007259 08:21:36.720 --> 08:21:38.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: instead of asr-007260 08:21:38.360 --> 08:21:39.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: what it's earmarked for, asr-007261 08:21:42.160 --> 08:21:43.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi tayo humiram. asr-007262 08:21:46.960 --> 08:21:47.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero, asr-007263 08:21:47.880 --> 08:21:48.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang kapalit naman niya asr-007264 08:21:48.780 --> 08:21:49.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay yung free Wi-Fi, asr-007265 08:21:50.060 --> 08:21:50.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po ba dapat asr-007266 08:21:50.700 --> 08:21:51.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: tinitignan natin asr-007267 08:21:51.640 --> 08:21:53.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung ano yung trade-off? asr-007281 08:22:55.500 --> 08:22:56.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, asr-007282 08:22:56.800 --> 08:22:58.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we recognize asr-007283 08:22:58.000 --> 08:22:59.300 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and we actually commend asr-007284 08:22:59.300 --> 08:23:01.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: our distinguished colleague for that asr-007285 08:23:01.020 --> 08:23:03.220 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: suggestion. We should be asr-007286 08:23:03.220 --> 08:23:05.500 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: looking at earmarked revenues asr-007287 08:23:05.500 --> 08:23:06.880 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: given that these are also asr-007288 08:23:06.880 --> 08:23:08.620 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: enumerated and see asr-007289 08:23:08.620 --> 08:23:10.820 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: which sectors have asr-007290 08:23:10.820 --> 08:23:12.440 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: which particular earmarked funds. asr-007291 08:23:13.100 --> 08:23:15.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That would be beneficial asr-007292 08:23:15.000 --> 08:23:17.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: in terms of the budgeting process. asr-007293 08:23:18.020 --> 08:23:18.740 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But asr-007294 08:23:18.740 --> 08:23:21.320 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: at least as of now, what DepDep does asr-007295 08:23:21.320 --> 08:23:22.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: is that they look at the asr-007296 08:23:22.960 --> 08:23:23.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: different asr-007297 08:23:23.340 --> 08:23:26.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: forms of legislation, asr-007298 08:23:26.000 --> 08:23:27.980 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: see if, for example, asr-007299 08:23:28.720 --> 08:23:29.320 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: a particular asr-007300 08:23:29.320 --> 08:23:32.760 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: earmarked fund asr-007301 08:23:32.760 --> 08:23:34.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: should be given asr-007302 08:23:34.480 --> 08:23:36.360 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to a different sector, asr-007303 08:23:37.280 --> 08:23:39.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: like a sector asr-007304 08:23:39.020 --> 08:23:40.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that needs it more. asr-007305 08:23:41.600 --> 08:23:42.680 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DepDep looks asr-007306 08:23:42.680 --> 08:23:44.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: at that. So that's asr-007307 08:23:44.800 --> 08:23:45.280 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the only asr-007308 08:23:45.280 --> 08:23:48.740 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: flexibility that DepDep has as of the moment. asr-007309 08:23:48.920 --> 08:23:50.600 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Though, this is a good asr-007310 08:23:50.600 --> 08:23:52.640 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: suggestion on the part of asr-007311 08:23:52.640 --> 08:23:53.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: our good colleague. asr-007312 08:23:53.920 --> 08:23:55.460 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So are you saying asr-007313 08:23:55.460 --> 08:23:55.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that asr-007314 08:23:56.000 --> 08:23:57.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor asr-007315 08:23:57.000 --> 08:23:58.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that currently asr-007316 08:23:58.760 --> 08:24:00.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: before asr-007317 08:24:00.240 --> 08:24:02.460 Rep. Roberto Nazal: an earmarked fund is used asr-007318 08:24:02.460 --> 08:24:03.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for a different purpose, asr-007319 08:24:03.960 --> 08:24:07.250 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ini-evaluate po ng DepDev? asr-007320 08:24:07.260 --> 08:24:08.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung halimbawa, asr-007321 08:24:09.640 --> 08:24:10.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kesa na ilagay natin 'yan asr-007322 08:24:10.660 --> 08:24:11.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa free Wi-Fi, asr-007323 08:24:11.700 --> 08:24:13.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pagamit na lang sa isang sector asr-007324 08:24:13.700 --> 08:24:14.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: dahil kesa asr-007325 08:24:14.420 --> 08:24:17.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: umutang pa tayo para doon sa project na 'yon, asr-007326 08:24:17.620 --> 08:24:21.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay tanggalin na lang natin asr-007327 08:24:21.860 --> 08:24:22.460 Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa free Wi-Fi asr-007328 08:24:22.460 --> 08:24:23.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: tapos ilagay natin doon sa asr-007329 08:24:23.960 --> 08:24:26.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung funding doon sa, ano, asr-007334 08:24:26.140 --> 08:24:27.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: For that particular asr-007335 08:24:27.800 --> 08:24:29.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: whatever purpose or other project. asr-007336 08:24:30.700 --> 08:24:31.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So are we saying asr-007337 08:24:31.940 --> 08:24:34.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that the DepDep evaluates asr-007338 08:24:34.580 --> 08:24:36.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: before the asr-007339 08:24:36.160 --> 08:24:37.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: earmarked fund is used? asr-007340 08:24:40.860 --> 08:24:41.540 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Not asr-007341 08:24:41.540 --> 08:24:43.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for earmarked revenue, asr-007342 08:24:44.700 --> 08:24:45.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker. asr-007343 08:24:45.780 --> 08:24:47.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yun po ang concern ko, Madam Sponsor. asr-007344 08:24:48.120 --> 08:24:50.080 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi, shouldn't we asr-007345 08:24:50.080 --> 08:24:52.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: be making an assessment asr-007346 08:24:52.160 --> 08:24:52.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: first? asr-007347 08:24:52.680 --> 08:24:54.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: If the asr-007348 08:24:54.680 --> 08:24:55.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: government, asr-007349 08:24:56.000 --> 08:24:58.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the intended purpose asr-007350 08:24:58.000 --> 08:25:00.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for why Congress earmarked asr-007351 08:25:00.000 --> 08:25:02.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: or why we earmarked asr-007352 08:25:02.000 --> 08:25:04.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the funds for that project, asr-007353 08:25:04.000 --> 08:25:06.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po po dapat kung asr-007354 08:25:06.000 --> 08:25:08.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: less important siya or less asr-007355 08:25:08.000 --> 08:25:10.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang economic benefit niya, asr-007356 08:25:10.000 --> 08:25:12.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: dun lang natin siya asr-007357 08:25:12.000 --> 08:25:14.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ilipat. asr-007358 08:25:14.000 --> 08:25:16.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi kung hindi natin ginagawa yun, asr-007359 08:25:16.000 --> 08:25:18.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: we might be using asr-007360 08:25:18.000 --> 08:25:20.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the earmarked funds for projects asr-007361 08:25:20.000 --> 08:25:22.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: which have less benefit to the country. asr-007362 08:25:26.000 --> 08:25:28.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As of now, Madam Speaker, asr-007363 08:25:28.000 --> 08:25:30.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this is not a practice asr-007364 08:25:30.000 --> 08:25:32.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that the DepDep is currently asr-007365 08:25:32.000 --> 08:25:34.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: undertaking. Though, asr-007366 08:25:34.000 --> 08:25:36.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: given the suggestion of the Honorable asr-007367 08:25:36.000 --> 08:25:38.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Nazal, the DepDep will asr-007368 08:25:38.000 --> 08:25:40.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: consider assessing asr-007369 08:25:40.000 --> 08:25:42.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: all of the earmarked revenues, asr-007370 08:25:42.000 --> 08:25:44.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: but just the line items. asr-007371 08:25:44.000 --> 08:25:46.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Because the DepDep doesn't have visibility asr-007372 08:25:46.000 --> 08:25:48.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: over which particular revenues asr-007373 08:25:48.000 --> 08:25:50.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: actually go into asr-007374 08:25:50.000 --> 08:25:52.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: government funds, like the pool asr-007375 08:25:52.000 --> 08:25:54.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of funds that we have. asr-007376 08:25:54.000 --> 08:25:56.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: What I want to, um, asr-007377 08:25:56.000 --> 08:25:58.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: emphasize on Madam asr-007378 08:25:58.000 --> 08:26:00.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Sponsor is, before, asr-007379 08:26:00.000 --> 08:26:02.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: sana, before we do anything asr-007380 08:26:02.000 --> 08:26:04.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: to touch, kasi yung earmarked asr-007381 08:26:04.000 --> 08:26:06.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: funds, batas po yan eh. asr-007382 08:26:06.000 --> 08:26:08.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So we earmarked something, asr-007383 08:26:08.000 --> 08:26:10.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the funds for a particular purpose. asr-007384 08:26:10.000 --> 08:26:12.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And that purpose, asr-007385 08:26:12.000 --> 08:26:14.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kaya po tayo ng earmark, importante siya. asr-007386 08:26:14.000 --> 08:26:16.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ngayon, kung asr-007387 08:26:16.000 --> 08:26:18.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: gagamitin natin sa iba, asr-007388 08:26:18.000 --> 08:26:20.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: at the very least, asr-007389 08:26:20.000 --> 08:26:22.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: dapat meron po tayong procedure asr-007390 08:26:22.000 --> 08:26:24.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and we came up with a asr-007391 08:26:24.000 --> 08:26:26.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: meron tayong tamang proseso asr-007392 08:26:26.000 --> 08:26:28.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: in evaluating why asr-007393 08:26:28.000 --> 08:26:30.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: we used it. Hindi po siya asr-007394 08:26:30.000 --> 08:26:32.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: arbitrary. Hindi po ba? asr-007395 08:26:34.000 --> 08:26:36.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So kung gagamitin natin siya, asr-007396 08:26:36.000 --> 08:26:38.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ginamit natin for a different purpose, asr-007397 08:26:40.000 --> 08:26:42.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: at tatanggalin natin dun sa asr-007398 08:26:42.000 --> 08:26:44.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: purpose nung batas, eh asr-007399 08:26:44.000 --> 08:26:46.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: dapat, talagang napaka-importante asr-007400 08:26:46.000 --> 08:26:48.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nung proyektong yun. At mas malaki asr-007401 08:26:48.000 --> 08:26:50.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: talaga yung magiging benepisyon niya. asr-007402 08:26:50.000 --> 08:26:52.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam asr-007403 08:26:52.000 --> 08:26:54.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Speaker. The agency, asr-007404 08:26:54.000 --> 08:26:56.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DepDep, uh, asr-007405 08:26:56.000 --> 08:26:58.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: takes note of the suggestion by the asr-007406 08:26:58.000 --> 08:27:00.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Honorable Nazal, which is a very good suggestion asr-007407 08:27:00.000 --> 08:27:02.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: actually. So baka po asr-007408 08:27:02.000 --> 08:27:04.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: we can also come up with a asr-007409 08:27:04.000 --> 08:27:06.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I don't know, a policy or whatever na asr-007410 08:27:06.000 --> 08:27:08.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes. asr-007411 08:27:08.000 --> 08:27:10.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bago po gamitin asr-007412 08:27:10.000 --> 08:27:12.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang any earmark, eh dapat meron asr-007413 08:27:12.000 --> 08:27:14.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: what do you call this, asr-007414 08:27:14.000 --> 08:27:16.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: merong asr-007415 08:27:16.000 --> 08:27:18.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: merong criteria. asr-007416 08:27:20.000 --> 08:27:22.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, we take note asr-007417 08:27:22.000 --> 08:27:24.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and we agree, Madam Speaker. asr-007418 08:27:26.000 --> 08:27:30.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, um, asr-007419 08:27:30.000 --> 08:27:32.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: let me go to my next question, asr-007420 08:27:32.000 --> 08:27:34.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair. Sa asr-007421 08:27:34.000 --> 08:27:36.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: PhilHealth po, asr-007422 08:27:36.000 --> 08:27:38.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: magkano exactly ang sin tax asr-007423 08:27:38.000 --> 08:27:40.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: revenues earmarked for PhilHealth asr-007424 08:27:40.000 --> 08:27:42.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that remain unremitted asr-007425 08:27:42.000 --> 08:27:44.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: or unavailable to PhilHealth today? asr-007426 08:27:44.000 --> 08:27:46.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can you please give us asr-007427 08:27:46.000 --> 08:27:48.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the balance by year? asr-007428 08:27:48.000 --> 08:27:50.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, that asr-007429 08:27:50.000 --> 08:27:52.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: would be under the Department of asr-007430 08:27:52.000 --> 08:27:54.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Finance. Okay, asr-007431 08:27:54.000 --> 08:27:56.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kaya ako po tinatanong yan, kasi asr-007432 08:27:56.000 --> 08:27:58.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: from a DepDep perspective, asr-007433 08:27:58.000 --> 08:28:00.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: do you compute the economic cost asr-007434 08:28:00.000 --> 08:28:02.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: of delaying asr-007435 08:28:02.000 --> 08:28:04.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: those funds being remitted to PhilHealth? asr-007436 08:28:04.000 --> 08:28:06.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi, asr-007437 08:28:06.000 --> 08:28:08.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung may sakit po, di ba? asr-007438 08:28:08.000 --> 08:28:10.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung ating mga taong asr-007439 08:28:10.000 --> 08:28:12.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: may sakit, for example, hindi sila asr-007440 08:28:12.000 --> 08:28:14.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nagiging productive. Ngayon, kung merong asr-007441 08:28:14.000 --> 08:28:16.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung sila asr-007442 08:28:16.000 --> 08:28:18.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: naman ay kailangan nilang gastusin asr-007443 08:28:18.000 --> 08:28:20.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung pera na iyon para sa asr-007444 08:28:20.000 --> 08:28:22.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kanilang pagpapagamot, asr-007445 08:28:22.000 --> 08:28:24.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ito po ay pera na pwede asr-007446 08:28:24.000 --> 08:28:26.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: naman po nilang gamitin para asr-007447 08:28:26.000 --> 08:28:28.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pang hanap buhay or pang negosyo. asr-007448 08:28:28.000 --> 08:28:30.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, asr-007449 08:28:30.000 --> 08:28:32.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that is the reason why asr-007450 08:28:32.000 --> 08:28:34.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'm asking, kasi asr-007451 08:28:34.000 --> 08:28:36.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: dapat po tinitignan din natin ito, because asr-007452 08:28:36.000 --> 08:28:38.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: sabi nga nila, asr-007453 08:28:38.000 --> 08:28:40.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: health is wealth. Hindi po ba? asr-007454 08:28:40.000 --> 08:28:42.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-007455 08:28:42.000 --> 08:28:44.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The asr-007456 08:28:44.000 --> 08:28:46.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Good Secretary assures that if there are asr-007457 08:28:46.000 --> 08:28:48.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: requests for asr-007458 08:28:48.000 --> 08:28:50.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for example, for the asr-007459 08:28:50.000 --> 08:28:52.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: study or the assessment of asr-007460 08:28:52.000 --> 08:28:54.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: these types of issues, asr-007461 08:28:54.000 --> 08:28:56.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: then the DepDep can asr-007462 08:28:56.000 --> 08:28:58.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: conduct studies on it. asr-007463 08:28:58.000 --> 08:29:00.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, asr-007464 08:29:00.000 --> 08:29:02.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ito po ang nais kong asr-007465 08:29:02.000 --> 08:29:04.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: tingnan nyo rin po. asr-007466 08:29:04.000 --> 08:29:06.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Efficient healthcare asr-007467 08:29:06.000 --> 08:29:08.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: frees household income. asr-007468 08:29:08.000 --> 08:29:10.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung hindi kailangan ubusin ng asr-007469 08:29:10.000 --> 08:29:12.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pamilya ang savings nila sa hospitalization, asr-007470 08:29:12.000 --> 08:29:14.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that money can asr-007471 08:29:14.000 --> 08:29:16.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: go to education, housing, business, asr-007472 08:29:16.000 --> 08:29:18.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: investment, or consumption asr-007473 08:29:18.000 --> 08:29:20.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that makes the economy move. asr-007474 08:29:20.000 --> 08:29:22.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ang tanong po natin is asr-007475 08:29:22.000 --> 08:29:24.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: do we quantify asr-007476 08:29:24.000 --> 08:29:26.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the effect of inadequate asr-007477 08:29:26.000 --> 08:29:28.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: healthcare financing asr-007478 08:29:28.000 --> 08:29:30.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: on out-of-pocket spending, asr-007479 08:29:30.000 --> 08:29:32.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: household savings, asr-007480 08:29:32.000 --> 08:29:34.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: consumption, productivity, asr-007481 08:29:34.000 --> 08:29:36.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and economic growth? asr-007482 08:29:48.000 --> 08:29:50.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: May time, please. asr-007483 08:29:54.000 --> 08:29:56.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-007484 08:29:56.000 --> 08:29:58.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you. asr-007485 08:30:00.000 --> 08:30:12.880 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the Philippine Institute of Development Studies has a health economics program. asr-007486 08:30:13.740 --> 08:30:18.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: There are multiple studies that they are conducting with regards to this issue. asr-007487 08:30:19.720 --> 08:30:24.700 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The agency, the DepDev, will be happy to furnish copies to our distinguished colleagues. asr-007488 08:30:26.080 --> 08:30:29.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, Madam Chair, Madam Sponsor. asr-007489 08:30:30.680 --> 08:30:35.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: My next question is, kasi ito po, magkakadugtong po ito eh, so please bear with me. asr-007490 08:30:37.100 --> 08:30:42.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do you also compare the economic cost against whatever the national government gains? asr-007491 08:30:42.980 --> 08:30:44.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi po, dinidelay natin yung pondo. asr-007492 08:30:45.280 --> 08:30:52.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, most likely, because cash is fungible, we are using it elsewhere instead of dinadala natin sa PhilHealth. asr-007493 08:30:53.600 --> 08:30:56.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, do we compute? asr-007494 08:30:58.720 --> 08:30:59.980 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do we compare the economic cost? asr-007495 08:31:00.000 --> 08:31:09.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do we compare the economic cost against whatever the national government gains by retaining the money, reducing borrowing, or using the fiscal space elsewhere? asr-007504 08:32:15.430 --> 08:32:26.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the PIDS and also the other attachments that will see the records if we have assessments of these trade-offs. asr-007505 08:32:26.000 --> 08:32:30.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you. Thank you for that. Sana po tignan natin kasi napaka-importante. asr-007506 08:32:31.420 --> 08:32:34.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay, let me move to my next question on the HEDF. asr-007507 08:32:35.540 --> 08:32:40.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, magkano exactly ang HEDF balance still with the Bureau of Treasury? asr-007508 08:32:41.540 --> 08:32:45.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Would we know that? Meron po ba tayong details on that? asr-007509 08:32:46.720 --> 08:32:49.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Can we repeat the abbreviation, Madam Speaker? asr-007510 08:32:51.080 --> 08:32:54.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Magkano exactly ang HEDF balance? asr-007511 08:32:55.280 --> 08:32:55.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay. asr-007512 08:32:55.640 --> 08:32:57.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Still with the Bureau of Treasury? asr-007513 08:32:58.960 --> 08:32:59.220 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Oh. asr-007514 08:32:59.880 --> 08:33:01.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ito po yung sa CHED. asr-007515 08:33:02.260 --> 08:33:04.660 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That would be under the DOF, Madam Speaker. asr-007516 08:33:05.260 --> 08:33:08.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: No, the reason why I'm asking is because asr-007517 08:33:08.540 --> 08:33:18.680 Rep. Roberto Nazal: RA 7722 says CHED shall appoint a reputable government financial institution as portfolio manager for the HEDF. asr-007518 08:33:19.260 --> 08:33:20.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yun po yung Republic Act. asr-007519 08:33:20.720 --> 08:33:25.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yet the funds were transferred to Treasury pursuant to E0338. asr-007520 08:33:25.640 --> 08:33:29.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: An executive order cannot supersede a law passed by Congress. asr-007521 08:33:30.720 --> 08:33:35.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ang tanong po, why is the government allowing this apparent violation of the law to continue? asr-007522 08:33:36.440 --> 08:33:42.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Is this fiscal convenience because the national government needs the money elsewhere or wants to reduce borrowing? asr-007523 08:33:45.920 --> 08:33:51.400 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the Bureau of Treasury is an attached agency of the Department of Finance. asr-007524 08:33:51.400 --> 08:33:57.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: The reason why this is important, Madam Chair, distinguished sponsor, asr-007525 08:33:58.300 --> 08:34:02.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: has DEPDev computed whether that is actually a better economic decision? asr-007526 08:34:03.460 --> 08:34:04.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi parang ang nangyari po, asr-007527 08:34:04.860 --> 08:34:09.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: iniwan natin, kaysa sa nasa CHED po yung pera, asr-007528 08:34:09.760 --> 08:34:14.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: managed by a private institution, ang ginawa po, asr-007529 08:34:14.760 --> 08:34:19.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nag-issue po tayo ng executive order, tapos nilagay po natin sa Bureau of Treasury. asr-007530 08:34:20.140 --> 08:34:22.260 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ang nangyayari po, CHED, asr-007531 08:34:22.260 --> 08:34:29.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po nababayaran ng CHED yung mga obligasyon niya sa mga state universities. asr-007536 08:34:31.340 --> 08:34:34.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ngayon, meron pong economic effect yan. asr-007537 08:34:34.200 --> 08:34:35.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano yung economic effect niyan? asr-007538 08:34:36.280 --> 08:34:42.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po nabibigyan ng, maraming hindi na-accommodate na college scholars asr-007539 08:34:42.180 --> 08:34:51.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: or students yung mga SUCs kasi yung pera ng CHED nasa Bureau of Treasury. asr-007540 08:34:51.840 --> 08:34:54.960 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Honorable Nazal, please wrap up. asr-007541 08:34:56.120 --> 08:35:03.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, that's something lang po na I would like to, for health, for education, sana po na mamesure din po natin. asr-007542 08:35:04.180 --> 08:35:13.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Let me go to my next, Madam Chair, does the DEV-DEV set a long-term objective towards a balanced budget? asr-007543 08:35:14.760 --> 08:35:21.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Meron po ba tayong long-term plan na eventually, tinitignan po natin, we will achieve a balanced budget? asr-007544 08:35:21.840 --> 08:35:24.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Are we gunning for that? asr-007545 08:35:25.120 --> 08:35:31.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi po, pataas ng pataas ang utang natin, while at the same time, marami tayong appropriations na hindi nagagamit. asr-007546 08:35:32.420 --> 08:35:37.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Are we borrowing partly to support a level of appropriations that government cannot even implement? asr-007547 08:35:42.020 --> 08:35:48.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, well, at least on the part of DEV-DEV, in terms of a balanced budget, asr-007548 08:35:48.080 --> 08:35:51.360 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it just assesses the macroeconomic outlook. asr-007549 08:35:51.840 --> 08:35:54.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It gives the recommendation to the DBCC. asr-007550 08:35:55.120 --> 08:36:02.540 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But in terms of balanced budget in prioritizing critical sectors, that's something that the DEV-DEV does. asr-007551 08:36:03.380 --> 08:36:09.240 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It also assesses our compliance to sustainable development goals. asr-007552 08:36:09.860 --> 08:36:18.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That's one way in which we can prioritize critical sectors in health, in education, and all of the related sectors. asr-007553 08:36:19.920 --> 08:36:21.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: The reason why I'm asking, asr-007554 08:36:21.120 --> 08:36:22.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: asking this, asr-007555 08:36:22.240 --> 08:36:25.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: kasi wala po ba tayong end goal in sight? asr-007556 08:36:25.060 --> 08:36:26.400 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Your time has ended already. asr-007557 08:36:26.480 --> 08:36:28.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Just, almost done, ma'am. asr-007558 08:36:28.960 --> 08:36:29.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Almost done. asr-007559 08:36:30.120 --> 08:36:33.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, because I understand that deficits can make sense. asr-007560 08:36:33.580 --> 08:36:35.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi right now, we're deficit spending. asr-007561 08:36:36.120 --> 08:36:39.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: If we borrow for productive investments that generate growth, asr-007562 08:36:39.760 --> 08:36:43.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: but if we borrow and the money cannot be implemented effectively, asr-007563 08:36:44.320 --> 08:36:47.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: doesn't that weaken the justification for additional debt? asr-007564 08:36:47.040 --> 08:36:49.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, yun po ang isa sa gusto kong tingnan. asr-007565 08:36:49.780 --> 08:36:50.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Secondly, asr-007566 08:36:51.120 --> 08:36:55.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: has DEV-DEV modeled what level of deficit is actually optimal for the Philippines? asr-007567 08:36:56.700 --> 08:37:02.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And what would it take eventually to balance the budget without damaging growth and essential services? asr-007568 08:37:02.740 --> 08:37:04.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, wala po ba tayong long-term plan? asr-007569 08:37:14.840 --> 08:37:21.100 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DEV-DEV is involved with at least the revisions and updating of the medium-term fiscal framework. asr-007570 08:37:21.120 --> 08:37:26.900 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, these are challenges and issues that the DEV-DEV also considers. asr-007571 08:37:27.700 --> 08:37:28.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, okay. Thank you. asr-007572 08:37:29.020 --> 08:37:34.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, just a quick manifestation to end my interpolation. asr-007573 08:37:35.500 --> 08:37:37.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Planning should not stop with setting targets. asr-007574 08:37:38.720 --> 08:37:43.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: For me, DEV-DEV should also know what is preventing government from implementing them, asr-007575 08:37:44.200 --> 08:37:46.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: what that failure costs the economy, asr-007576 08:37:46.820 --> 08:37:49.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and what government needs to do to fix it. asr-007577 08:37:49.800 --> 08:37:50.960 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Every decision, asr-007578 08:37:50.960 --> 08:37:51.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: to spend, asr-007579 08:37:51.680 --> 08:37:52.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: has a cost. asr-007580 08:37:52.940 --> 08:37:54.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: But every decision not to spend asr-007581 08:37:54.700 --> 08:37:56.040 Rep. Roberto Nazal: or to delay spending asr-007582 08:37:56.040 --> 08:37:57.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: also has a cost. asr-007583 08:37:58.200 --> 08:38:02.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I hope DEV-DEV will be much more proactive in monitoring the spending asr-007584 08:38:02.560 --> 08:38:06.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and implementation performance of our agencies, asr-007585 08:38:06.840 --> 08:38:08.520 Rep. Roberto Nazal: identifying bottlenecks early asr-007586 08:38:08.520 --> 08:38:11.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and recommending to both the Executive and Congress asr-007587 08:38:11.240 --> 08:38:12.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: what needs to be done asr-007588 08:38:12.480 --> 08:38:16.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: before these problems translate into slower growth. asr-007589 08:38:16.360 --> 08:38:17.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Chair. asr-007590 08:38:18.240 --> 08:38:18.940 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: [unclear] Leader. asr-007591 08:38:26.710 --> 08:38:28.300 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Madam Speaker, asr-007592 08:38:28.760 --> 08:38:30.200 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: may we recognize asr-007593 08:38:30.200 --> 08:38:32.540 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the Honorable Antonio Tinio asr-007594 08:38:32.540 --> 08:38:35.080 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: of ACT Teachers Party-list asr-007595 08:38:35.080 --> 08:38:36.200 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: for his interpellation. asr-007596 08:38:36.680 --> 08:38:38.580 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Honorable Antonio Tinio asr-007597 08:38:38.580 --> 08:38:40.980 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: of ACT Teachers Party-list asr-007598 08:38:40.980 --> 08:38:41.520 Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: is recognized. asr-007599 08:38:48.440 --> 08:38:49.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you. asr-007600 08:38:49.380 --> 08:38:50.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-007601 08:38:50.940 --> 08:39:11.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Speaker, sponsor, kanina ang mga tanong po natin ay kinalaman sa debt, papalaking utang, papalaking ring deficit spending at sinabi natin na saan napunta yung inutang. asr-007602 08:39:11.320 --> 08:39:37.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pinakita rin natin yung utang ang nagpondos at nag-enable sa pambihirang paglobo ng pork infrastructure, notably flood control, and pork ayuda, yung maifip, tupad, aiks, among others. asr-007603 08:39:37.820 --> 08:39:45.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Only possible because umutang tayo ng malaki. asr-007604 08:39:45.880 --> 08:40:05.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Ngayon, let's talk about yung regional allocation ng spending. asr-007605 08:40:06.460 --> 08:40:07.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Paano nahahati? asr-007606 08:40:07.820 --> 08:40:20.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan. Okay. So, kaya may kinalaman pa rin ito sa dev-dev, diba? Okay. Regional development. Okay. asr-007607 08:40:21.560 --> 08:40:26.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright. So, I think I have some slides as well. Meron ba? asr-007608 08:40:31.360 --> 08:40:32.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Slides po. Yeah. asr-007609 08:40:32.760 --> 08:40:36.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ito pa ang number one natin? Okay. asr-007610 08:40:36.900 --> 08:40:39.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Parang hindi yan yung number one slide natin. Okay. asr-007611 08:40:43.840 --> 08:41:01.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nabalita, na-report sa balita, no? When the former DPWH Secretary Bonoan, diba? Testified in a plunder case, diba? Kaugnay sa flood control, he mentioned, sabi niya, there was such a thing. asr-007612 08:41:01.360 --> 08:41:06.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: During the first three years of this administration, there was such a thing. asr-007613 08:41:06.900 --> 08:41:12.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: As a leadership fund, yun na sabi niya. Leadership fund sa DPWH. asr-007614 08:41:12.040 --> 08:41:30.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ibig sabihin, merong parang centralized, no? Central office na pondo for infrastructure. Infrastructure funding na centrally managed. Okay. asr-007615 08:41:30.140 --> 08:41:34.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: As distinct from yung nasa mga region. asr-007616 08:41:34.520 --> 08:41:37.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa mga district engineering offices. asr-007617 08:41:38.580 --> 08:41:49.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sabi niya, well, sino yung nakinabang dyan? Sabi niya, as reported, lahat daw ng mga senador in the previous congress, they all partook of this leadership fund. asr-007618 08:41:49.940 --> 08:41:53.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Ano pa yung nasa slide natin? Next slide. asr-007619 08:41:54.300 --> 08:41:57.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kalimutan ko na yung laman ng presentation, eh. Next slide. asr-007620 08:41:57.020 --> 08:41:58.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007621 08:41:58.500 --> 08:41:58.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007622 08:41:59.580 --> 08:42:04.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And so, if you do look at the 2026... asr-007623 08:42:04.520 --> 08:42:15.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2027 budget of... proposed budget of DPWH, you'll notice 80% talaga centrally managed. asr-007624 08:42:16.360 --> 08:42:16.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007625 08:42:17.220 --> 08:42:20.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Centrally managed as against yung directly nasa region. asr-007626 08:42:21.320 --> 08:42:27.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 80% of their capital outlay budget is in the central office. asr-007627 08:42:28.180 --> 08:42:29.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Next slide. asr-007628 08:42:29.960 --> 08:42:31.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di na natin iti-detalye. asr-007629 08:42:31.060 --> 08:42:34.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then if you zoom in even further, asr-007630 08:42:34.520 --> 08:42:46.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kung tignan natin yung flood control, gano'n din in distribution, central office, pero broken down pa rin into regions yan, ha? asr-007631 08:42:46.620 --> 08:43:01.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Central office ay may malaking 80% as well is in the central office and then yung regions, yung nasa baba, are 20%. asr-007632 08:43:01.080 --> 08:43:01.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Gano'n. asr-007633 08:43:02.360 --> 08:43:02.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007634 08:43:03.640 --> 08:43:04.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007635 08:43:04.240 --> 08:43:24.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, parang ganito, in terms of number of projects, 1,255 of the projects are centrally managed, distributed sa region, yung directly nasa district engineering offices are 100... asr-007636 08:43:24.120 --> 08:43:24.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007637 08:43:24.660 --> 08:43:33.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No, actually, number of DEOs with flood control projects, 112 of 199. asr-007638 08:43:34.240 --> 08:43:44.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, actually, hindi lahat ng mga district engineering offices merong flood control projects. asr-007639 08:43:45.820 --> 08:43:48.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And baka sabihin nyo, well, hindi naman siguro lahat, binabaha. asr-007640 08:43:49.900 --> 08:43:52.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But if you will notice, kung titignan mo yan, merong blanco. asr-007641 08:43:52.800 --> 08:44:02.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: For example, you look at that column, region 11, that's Davao region, blanco. asr-007642 08:44:02.560 --> 08:44:03.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Blanco, blanco. asr-007643 08:44:03.420 --> 08:44:07.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yung district engineering offices doon, walang flood control projects. asr-007644 08:44:08.460 --> 08:44:13.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, parang sabihin nyo, but ganun, binabaha naman sa Davao, pero wala sila. asr-007645 08:44:14.360 --> 08:44:17.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa central office, meron for them. asr-007646 08:44:17.300 --> 08:44:17.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007647 08:44:18.380 --> 08:44:19.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: What's the point here? asr-007648 08:44:19.340 --> 08:44:23.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The point nga is yung allocation. asr-007649 08:44:23.980 --> 08:44:24.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-007650 08:44:24.360 --> 08:44:26.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung allocation ng mga pondo. asr-007651 08:44:27.640 --> 08:44:31.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ginawa lang natin example yung sa DPWH. asr-007652 08:44:32.000 --> 08:44:32.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007653 08:44:32.280 --> 08:44:32.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007654 08:44:33.420 --> 08:44:37.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano ba yung next slide natin? asr-007655 08:44:41.740 --> 08:44:42.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Can I see the next slide? asr-007656 08:44:46.400 --> 08:44:46.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I don't know. asr-007657 08:44:47.040 --> 08:44:47.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007658 08:44:48.000 --> 08:44:48.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright. asr-007659 08:44:48.420 --> 08:44:58.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The question here is, usually, this is the NEP. asr-007660 08:44:58.460 --> 08:44:59.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: This is the NEP. asr-007661 08:44:59.180 --> 08:45:00.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And in the... asr-007662 08:45:00.000 --> 08:45:15.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, from the point of view, lalo na of district representatives, kasabihin nila, mukhang hindi equitable ang allocation ng infrastructure budget. asr-007663 08:45:15.660 --> 08:45:34.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But ganun, may mga marami na sa central office, tapos ito nga, as you can see here, in the case of one program, only 112 of 199 district engineering offices have projects. asr-007664 08:45:34.160 --> 08:45:45.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, so my question actually, the question is more addressed to the Committee on Appropriations rather than DepDev actually. asr-007665 08:45:45.660 --> 08:46:06.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Will Congress entertain and incorporate amendments to address such gaps in the allocation of infrastructure? asr-007666 08:46:06.700 --> 08:46:15.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ibig sabihin, tatanggap ba ang kongresong ito at magpapasok ng mga, let's call them, congressional amendments? asr-007667 08:46:15.660 --> 08:46:32.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Commendments to the NEP to address these, pwedeng sabihin, the inequity, the regional inequity in allocation. asr-007668 08:46:35.640 --> 08:46:36.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan ang tanong. asr-007669 08:46:45.660 --> 08:46:50.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tigil po muna, o, tigil po muna. asr-007670 08:46:51.380 --> 08:46:52.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tigil po muna. asr-007671 08:46:53.080 --> 08:46:53.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker. asr-007672 08:46:53.800 --> 08:46:54.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Top the clock. asr-007673 08:46:55.520 --> 08:46:55.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Ayaw. asr-007674 08:46:57.040 --> 08:47:15.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, at least on the part of the DepDev, the DepDev has been closely coordinating with the DBM in terms of enhancing at least the planning stages and the proposals of the projects that are needed. asr-007675 08:47:15.660 --> 08:47:20.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Like the strategic investments needed for infrastructure projects. asr-007676 08:47:21.300 --> 08:47:21.540 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Alright. asr-007677 08:47:21.800 --> 08:47:24.640 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, at least on the part of DepDev, that is the... asr-007678 08:47:24.640 --> 08:47:31.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yeah, as I understand, supposedly in the preparation of the NEP, the DepDev is involved, is that correct? asr-007679 08:47:32.880 --> 08:47:40.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In the, at the, from starting at the RDC level, Regional Development Council level, is that correct? asr-007680 08:47:41.200 --> 08:47:42.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-007681 08:47:42.160 --> 08:47:43.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, so involved dun. asr-007682 08:47:44.000 --> 08:47:44.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007683 08:47:44.140 --> 08:47:44.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007684 08:47:44.620 --> 08:47:45.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At actually, ang paliwanag, asr-007685 08:47:45.640 --> 08:47:51.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa akin, during the budget briefings, ang mga nasama daw sa NEP, yung dumaan sa mga RDC. asr-007686 08:47:52.540 --> 08:47:52.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-007687 08:47:53.900 --> 08:48:04.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kung yung mga sabi dito, kung merong mga halimbawa, districts na wala o kulang, hindi sila nakahabol dun. asr-007688 08:48:05.540 --> 08:48:06.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007689 08:48:07.300 --> 08:48:09.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, pero, yung ang tanong ko nga, paano yung mga yun? asr-007690 08:48:10.920 --> 08:48:14.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Will this Congress, no? asr-007691 08:48:14.060 --> 08:48:15.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In this gap. asr-007692 08:48:15.640 --> 08:48:28.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Will it incorporate yung mga proposed amendment to address these gaps? asr-007693 08:48:30.540 --> 08:48:33.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Particularly in the case of public infrastructure. asr-007694 08:48:33.260 --> 08:48:37.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kahit hindi na dumaan dun sa proseso ng RDC. asr-007695 08:48:38.540 --> 08:48:40.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, tatanggapin ba ng Kongreso? asr-007696 08:48:40.780 --> 08:48:43.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: As I said, the question is more addressed to Congress itself. asr-007697 08:48:44.440 --> 08:48:44.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-007698 08:48:45.640 --> 08:48:47.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, that's the question. asr-007699 08:48:47.880 --> 08:48:51.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, I'm asking actually, the Vice Chair of the Committee on Appropriation. asr-007700 08:48:53.780 --> 08:48:57.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, as the Budget Sponsor of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development, asr-007701 08:48:58.080 --> 08:49:07.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: I can only speak for the involvement of the DEP-DEV in terms of proposing infrastructure projects on the regional level. asr-007702 08:49:07.620 --> 08:49:07.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007703 08:49:09.100 --> 08:49:09.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: All right. asr-007704 08:49:10.380 --> 08:49:10.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sige. asr-007705 08:49:11.240 --> 08:49:12.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ready na. asr-007706 08:49:12.020 --> 08:49:13.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The next... asr-007707 08:49:13.780 --> 08:49:14.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next... asr-007708 08:49:15.640 --> 08:49:19.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next slide po. asr-007709 08:49:19.620 --> 08:49:20.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next slide. asr-007710 08:49:20.980 --> 08:49:21.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tubos oras natin. asr-007711 08:49:22.480 --> 08:49:22.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007712 08:49:23.760 --> 08:49:37.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, historically, if I may, if we go by yung kasaysayan ng budget, historically, nangyayari yun. asr-007713 08:49:38.620 --> 08:49:38.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007714 08:49:38.780 --> 08:49:41.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: From the NEP, no? asr-007715 08:49:41.620 --> 08:49:48.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Biglang magpapasok ng mga proyekto, particular for infrastructure. asr-007716 08:49:49.400 --> 08:49:50.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That happened. asr-007717 08:49:51.160 --> 08:49:56.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, from the NEP, you get the approved general appropriations bill. asr-007718 08:49:56.860 --> 08:50:00.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And there, yung mga deficiencies na sinabi natin, mapupunuan yan. asr-007719 08:50:01.860 --> 08:50:03.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, historically, nangyayari yun. asr-007720 08:50:04.060 --> 08:50:05.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, in order to be able to do that, asr-007721 08:50:05.780 --> 08:50:11.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in order to be able to do that, alam naman natin, since there's a fixed ceiling, asr-007722 08:50:11.620 --> 08:50:13.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: on the budget, diba? asr-007723 08:50:13.400 --> 08:50:15.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In this case, it's 7.2 trillion. asr-007724 08:50:16.720 --> 08:50:17.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kailangan may pagkunan. asr-007725 08:50:18.120 --> 08:50:21.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Para madagdagan mo yung DPWH, kailangan may bawasan ka from somewhere. asr-007726 08:50:22.920 --> 08:50:23.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Correct? asr-007727 08:50:23.980 --> 08:50:25.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, what does this table show? asr-007728 08:50:25.600 --> 08:50:33.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: This table shows, historically, saan yung mga pinakalaking, malaking binawasan? asr-007729 08:50:34.360 --> 08:50:35.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Para makapagdagdag. asr-007730 08:50:36.620 --> 08:50:36.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-007731 08:50:38.120 --> 08:50:40.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Informally, this is referred to as source. asr-007732 08:50:40.560 --> 08:50:41.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano yung ginagawang source? asr-007733 08:50:41.620 --> 08:50:42.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Source ng funding. asr-007734 08:50:43.020 --> 08:50:44.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course, that's incorrect, no? asr-007735 08:50:44.860 --> 08:50:45.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, source. asr-007736 08:50:46.240 --> 08:50:57.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, pakita natin, historically, ang isang favorite source ng Kongreso ay the DOTR, Foreign Assisted Project. asr-007737 08:50:58.840 --> 08:51:02.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And, of course, DepDEP may kinalaman kasi silang nag-a-approve dyan, eh. asr-007738 08:51:02.560 --> 08:51:02.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama ba? asr-007739 08:51:03.840 --> 08:51:08.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung mga flagship DOTR projects. asr-007740 08:51:08.500 --> 08:51:11.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: San yung may kinalaman sa DepDEP yung tanong ko? asr-007741 08:51:11.620 --> 08:51:11.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-007742 08:51:12.500 --> 08:51:15.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, nakita po natin dito. asr-007743 08:51:16.140 --> 08:51:19.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, again, you will notice a pattern. asr-007744 08:51:20.280 --> 08:51:22.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016, we only went back as far as 2016. asr-007745 08:51:24.460 --> 08:51:33.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nakita natin nun, ang kalakaran, kung ano yung pinroposed na DOTR, Foreign Assisted Project, yun din ang in-approve ng Kongreso sa GAA. asr-007746 08:51:33.380 --> 08:51:33.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-007747 08:51:34.120 --> 08:51:34.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007748 08:51:34.380 --> 08:51:35.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2016, that was the case. asr-007749 08:51:36.340 --> 08:51:36.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2017. asr-007750 08:51:38.700 --> 08:51:39.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2018. asr-007751 08:51:39.340 --> 08:51:43.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Medyo, dito na nagsimula yung pattern. asr-007752 08:51:44.580 --> 08:51:49.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: May pinroposed, tapos, kalahati lang ang in-approve sa GAA. asr-007753 08:51:50.900 --> 08:51:51.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007754 08:51:51.120 --> 08:51:59.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But then, we see that pattern on a larger scale, no? asr-007755 08:51:59.500 --> 08:52:02.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Starting 2020 up to 2026. asr-007756 08:52:02.900 --> 08:52:04.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano po nakita natin? asr-007757 08:52:05.220 --> 08:52:07.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Partikular sa DOTR, Foreign Assisted Projects. asr-007758 08:52:08.020 --> 08:52:09.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung mga DOTR, Foreign Assisted Projects. asr-007759 08:52:09.340 --> 08:52:15.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan yung mga railway, North-North-South Railway, Subway, and so on. asr-007760 08:52:15.620 --> 08:52:15.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-007761 08:52:15.860 --> 08:52:17.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mga mainly, these are rail projects. asr-007762 08:52:18.280 --> 08:52:19.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nangyari? asr-007763 08:52:19.480 --> 08:52:22.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Starting, especially in 2020, as you can see. asr-007764 08:52:23.120 --> 08:52:23.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007765 08:52:27.000 --> 08:52:27.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan. asr-007766 08:52:28.140 --> 08:52:28.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nakita nyo. asr-007767 08:52:29.060 --> 08:52:32.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2020, the proposed was 101 billion. asr-007768 08:52:33.620 --> 08:52:38.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, the approved was only, was 46% below the proposal. asr-007769 08:52:38.360 --> 08:52:38.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-007780 08:52:39.340 --> 08:52:45.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, if you go to the 2024, talagang ito yung pinaka-extreme. asr-007781 08:52:46.720 --> 08:52:51.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ito rin yung, it's no coincidence, ito rin yung may pinakamalaking flood control. asr-007782 08:52:52.220 --> 08:52:55.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At may pinakamalaking dagdag sa ayuda. asr-007783 08:52:56.420 --> 08:52:57.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pinakita ko kanina, no? asr-007784 08:52:57.820 --> 08:52:58.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, tignan nyo. asr-007785 08:52:59.100 --> 08:53:03.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang proposed for Foreign Assisted Projects was 161 billion. asr-007786 08:53:04.100 --> 08:53:08.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang in-approved was only 3.5 billion. asr-007787 08:53:08.760 --> 08:53:08.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007788 08:53:08.820 --> 08:53:11.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang in-approved was only 98% below the proposal. asr-007789 08:53:12.840 --> 08:53:13.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? asr-007790 08:53:14.780 --> 08:53:15.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007791 08:53:15.320 --> 08:53:16.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ganun ang pattern. asr-007792 08:53:16.360 --> 08:53:20.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon, I ask this because in 2027, malaki. asr-007793 08:53:20.780 --> 08:53:24.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Napakalaki nung, napakalaki nung Foreign Assisted. asr-007794 08:53:26.400 --> 08:53:27.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 232 billion. asr-007795 08:53:27.720 --> 08:53:30.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, my question is, will this happen again? asr-007796 08:53:31.580 --> 08:53:31.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007797 08:53:31.700 --> 08:53:37.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang laki-laki ng pinroposed for DOTR, DOTR Foreign Assisted Projects. asr-007798 08:53:37.700 --> 08:53:42.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos sa GAA, 2% lang pala yung ma-approve. asr-007799 08:53:43.380 --> 08:53:43.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007800 08:53:43.940 --> 08:53:46.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, anong epekto pagka ganun? asr-007801 08:53:47.520 --> 08:53:51.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa DepDev, ano yung epekto pagka ganun ang ginagawa ng Kongreso? asr-007802 08:53:53.680 --> 08:53:58.700 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, going back to what was mentioned a while ago, asr-007803 08:53:59.080 --> 08:54:02.400 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: given the delays in public infrastructure spending, asr-007804 08:54:02.400 --> 08:54:05.900 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: if we implemented those in a timely manner, asr-007805 08:54:06.040 --> 08:54:07.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we would have grown. asr-007806 08:54:07.700 --> 08:54:09.240 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: One percentage point higher. asr-007807 08:54:09.760 --> 08:54:14.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, that's one estimate that the DepDev has. asr-007808 08:54:15.380 --> 08:54:18.360 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But in terms of the DOTR projects, asr-007809 08:54:19.680 --> 08:54:22.900 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: like the DepDev only has purview over the IFPs. asr-007810 08:54:23.880 --> 08:54:27.900 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, there are 60 IFPs for DOTR. asr-007811 08:54:28.900 --> 08:54:31.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: If it's okay with our distinguished colleague, asr-007812 08:54:31.100 --> 08:54:34.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we can give a copy as well as the status of these projects. asr-007813 08:54:35.600 --> 08:54:37.620 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Or I can enumerate if we're good. asr-007814 08:54:37.700 --> 08:54:39.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If my colleague wants. asr-007815 08:54:40.080 --> 08:54:40.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007816 08:54:40.960 --> 08:54:41.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, I am told... asr-007817 08:54:42.700 --> 08:54:44.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam Chair, baka pwedeng... asr-007818 08:54:45.260 --> 08:54:50.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: May tanong lang po ako sa regarding the parliamentary status. asr-007819 08:54:53.100 --> 08:54:55.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If I may ask first, asr-007820 08:54:55.960 --> 08:54:57.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwede mo matigil lang po yung oras? asr-007821 08:55:01.000 --> 08:55:02.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayaw, itigil yung oras. asr-007822 08:55:03.100 --> 08:55:07.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No, I am told that now the interpolation will include both... asr-007823 08:55:07.700 --> 08:55:10.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: DepDev and DBM? asr-007824 08:55:11.140 --> 08:55:11.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ganun po ba yun? asr-007825 08:55:15.140 --> 08:55:15.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007826 08:55:15.700 --> 08:55:15.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: O hindi. asr-007827 08:55:16.480 --> 08:55:19.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: You are not defending DBM budget. asr-007828 08:55:19.980 --> 08:55:20.960 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Just the DepDev budget. asr-007829 08:55:21.020 --> 08:55:21.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ah, DepDev budget. asr-007830 08:55:22.100 --> 08:55:22.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, it's clear. asr-007831 08:55:22.900 --> 08:55:23.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you. asr-007832 08:55:23.620 --> 08:55:24.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you. asr-007833 08:55:24.720 --> 08:55:24.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright. asr-007834 08:55:25.680 --> 08:55:25.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright. asr-007835 08:55:26.240 --> 08:55:28.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano po nangyayari? asr-007836 08:55:28.140 --> 08:55:30.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, obviously, pagka hindi pinunduhan, asr-007837 08:55:30.680 --> 08:55:33.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: hindi ma-implement. asr-007838 08:55:33.280 --> 08:55:33.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po. asr-007839 08:55:34.780 --> 08:55:35.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007840 08:55:36.240 --> 08:55:36.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: However, asr-007841 08:55:36.480 --> 08:55:38.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: meron akong question dyan asr-007842 08:55:38.480 --> 08:55:38.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: because asr-007843 08:55:38.980 --> 08:55:41.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in the NEP, asr-007844 08:55:42.360 --> 08:55:44.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung mga foreign-assisted projects na ganyan, asr-007845 08:55:45.800 --> 08:55:47.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: they are tied to specific loans. asr-007846 08:55:48.320 --> 08:55:48.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? asr-007847 08:55:49.060 --> 08:55:50.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Perfected loans. asr-007848 08:55:50.500 --> 08:55:50.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Correct? asr-007849 08:55:52.380 --> 08:55:52.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Correct? asr-007850 08:55:53.020 --> 08:55:53.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? asr-007851 08:55:55.420 --> 08:55:56.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung nasa NEP, asr-007852 08:55:57.640 --> 08:55:59.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na foreign-assisted project ng DOTR, asr-007853 08:56:00.600 --> 08:56:03.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: meron ng loan agreement yun. asr-007854 08:56:04.320 --> 08:56:04.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama? asr-007855 08:56:04.480 --> 08:56:05.040 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Tama? asr-007856 08:56:06.480 --> 08:56:09.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Not all projects, Madam Speaker. asr-007857 08:56:10.540 --> 08:56:18.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But most IFPs for foreign-assisted would be tied to official development assistance loans. asr-007858 08:56:18.480 --> 08:56:22.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, as a general rule, yung nilalagay sa NEP, yun ay yung meron ng loan na. asr-007859 08:56:22.600 --> 08:56:23.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sigurado na, nandyan na. asr-007860 08:56:23.720 --> 08:56:27.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi yung mag-ne-negotiate pa lang kami, lalagay na namin sa NEP. asr-007861 08:56:27.520 --> 08:56:28.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba? Hindi ganon? asr-007862 08:56:28.800 --> 08:56:29.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes. asr-007863 08:56:29.280 --> 08:56:30.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nando na yung loan. asr-007864 08:56:30.240 --> 08:56:30.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007865 08:56:31.300 --> 08:56:33.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, however, my question now is, asr-007866 08:56:33.540 --> 08:56:35.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pagka ginawa yan ng Kongreso, asr-007867 08:56:36.480 --> 08:56:41.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: proposal was 151 billion, asr-007868 08:56:42.500 --> 08:56:46.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and then the approved in the GAA was only a fraction of that, asr-007869 08:56:46.640 --> 08:56:47.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2% of that. asr-007870 08:56:49.740 --> 08:56:53.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang tanyari, shouldn't that then, dahil natanggal na yung... asr-007871 08:56:54.100 --> 08:56:59.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The effect there is that the source of funding is no longer available, correct? asr-007872 08:57:01.300 --> 08:57:02.120 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-007873 08:57:02.120 --> 08:57:02.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In other words, asr-007874 08:57:03.540 --> 08:57:06.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Congress cannot use the... asr-007875 08:57:06.480 --> 08:57:13.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The freed up, let's call that freed up fiscal space, yun ba ang tawag doon? asr-007876 08:57:14.420 --> 08:57:14.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007877 08:57:16.220 --> 08:57:17.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: To fund other projects. asr-007878 08:57:18.000 --> 08:57:18.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba hindi pwede yun? asr-007879 08:57:19.640 --> 08:57:20.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: No, Madam Speaker. asr-007880 08:57:20.360 --> 08:57:21.200 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Hindi pwede, di ba? asr-007881 08:57:21.320 --> 08:57:28.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nasabi natin, teka, 150 dapat sa foreign assisted, pero ginawasan natin ng 140. asr-007882 08:57:29.560 --> 08:57:33.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Therefore, we have freed up 140 for other projects. asr-007883 08:57:33.900 --> 08:57:34.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba hindi pwede yun? asr-007884 08:57:35.860 --> 08:57:36.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No. asr-007885 08:57:36.480 --> 08:57:37.060 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: No, Madam Speaker. asr-007886 08:57:37.080 --> 08:57:37.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi pwede. asr-007887 08:57:37.700 --> 08:57:39.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Eh, pero yun ang ginagawa ng Kongreso all the time. asr-007888 08:57:41.440 --> 08:57:42.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba may mali doon? asr-007889 08:57:43.560 --> 08:57:44.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, in other words, asr-007890 08:57:44.420 --> 08:57:53.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: if when Congress, or if Congress specifically reduces the appropriation for asr-007891 08:57:53.160 --> 08:57:58.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: foreign assisted projects with perfected loan agreements, asr-007892 08:57:59.780 --> 08:58:04.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pagka binawasan yun ng Kongreso, in terms of pag hindi inappropriate yun ng Kongreso, asr-007893 08:58:05.280 --> 08:58:06.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: then that should... asr-007894 08:58:06.480 --> 08:58:09.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: reduce the total budget. asr-007895 08:58:10.180 --> 08:58:18.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kung baga, yung, kunyari, 7.2, dapat kung binawasan mo ng 100B na foreign assisted, asr-007896 08:58:18.780 --> 08:58:21.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: dapat 7.1 na lang ang ceiling. asr-007897 08:58:21.460 --> 08:58:23.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi ba ganun dapat ang epekto nun? asr-007898 08:58:24.040 --> 08:58:24.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: You get my point? asr-007899 08:58:25.840 --> 08:58:28.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam, correct? asr-007900 08:58:30.000 --> 08:58:33.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Could you please place that on the record? asr-007901 08:58:35.100 --> 08:58:36.280 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well, Madam Speaker, asr-007902 08:58:36.480 --> 08:58:39.240 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: if it's in the GAA, asr-007903 08:58:39.480 --> 08:58:42.360 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: then it should be, asr-007904 08:58:42.920 --> 08:58:46.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the funding for that particular project is, asr-007905 08:58:46.340 --> 08:58:48.420 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for that particular project, you can't modify. asr-007906 08:58:49.100 --> 08:58:52.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, I think what I'm pointing out is, in fact, asr-007907 08:58:52.340 --> 08:58:53.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that ganun nga nangyayari, no? asr-007908 08:58:54.300 --> 08:58:56.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I mean, for many years, asr-007909 08:58:57.360 --> 08:58:59.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ginagawa ng Kongreso, binabawasan ng malaki asr-007910 08:58:59.980 --> 08:59:03.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung DOTR, foreign assisted projects, asr-007911 08:59:03.520 --> 08:59:06.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and these are specifically, asr-007912 08:59:06.180 --> 08:59:08.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tied to a source, the loan, asr-007913 08:59:10.620 --> 08:59:17.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tapos, the freed up space is used for, you know, asr-007914 08:59:17.780 --> 08:59:21.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for insertion, congressional insertion. asr-007915 08:59:22.100 --> 08:59:24.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung mga proyektong dinadagdag. asr-007916 08:59:26.060 --> 08:59:27.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, specifically, asr-007917 08:59:28.160 --> 08:59:33.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pinakamalala yan nung years 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025. asr-007918 08:59:34.060 --> 08:59:35.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan din yung panahon na pinakamalala, asr-007919 08:59:35.820 --> 08:59:37.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung flood control asr-007920 08:59:37.980 --> 08:59:39.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: insertions, diba? asr-007921 08:59:40.660 --> 08:59:41.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yun ang point ko. asr-007922 08:59:41.840 --> 08:59:44.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. That is the point asr-007923 08:59:44.100 --> 08:59:45.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I'm making. And now, asr-007924 08:59:45.920 --> 08:59:47.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the question I am asking asr-007925 08:59:47.280 --> 08:59:50.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: this Congress is, gagawin na naman ba yun asr-007926 08:59:50.220 --> 08:59:52.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng Kongresong ito? asr-007927 08:59:54.760 --> 08:59:56.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pwede pa bang gawin yun ng Kongresong ito? asr-007928 09:00:00.000 --> 09:00:04.140 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well, Madam Speaker, well, not pertaining to the budget of the DepDev. asr-007929 09:00:04.400 --> 09:00:10.000 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That's precisely the reason why we're instituting a lot of the reforms that we have. asr-007930 09:00:10.120 --> 09:00:11.680 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: We're trying to be transparent and accountable. asr-007931 09:00:11.680 --> 09:00:15.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright. So nagre-reforman na, so dapat hindi na pwede. asr-007932 09:00:16.680 --> 09:00:27.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, klaro, hindi porke 2027, nasa 232 billion ang proposed foreign-assisted projects. asr-007933 09:00:27.680 --> 09:00:32.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Projects. Tapos kung titignan nyo yung item nyo, nakalagay talaga doon yung loan agreement. asr-007934 09:00:32.740 --> 09:00:36.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Meron pang serial number, etc., etc., nung loan agreement. asr-007935 09:00:36.660 --> 09:00:43.660 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So hindi na pwedeng galawin ito as a source for congressional amendments or insertions. asr-007936 09:00:44.880 --> 09:00:45.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, that's clear. asr-007937 09:00:46.380 --> 09:00:49.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Another, the other, yan naman, yung isa naman. asr-007938 09:00:50.060 --> 09:00:57.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan, ang isa pang paborito over the years, PS, personnel services. asr-007939 09:00:57.680 --> 09:01:03.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Specifically here, we're focusing on miscellaneous personnel benefits fund. asr-007940 09:01:04.480 --> 09:01:06.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, ano yung miscellaneous personnel? asr-007941 09:01:06.820 --> 09:01:14.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Para po yan sa dagdag na sweldo, dagdag na binipisyo, o new hiring, new plantilla positions ng gobyerno. asr-007942 09:01:15.160 --> 09:01:16.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, and what do we see? asr-007943 09:01:17.080 --> 09:01:18.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Again, we see the same pattern. asr-007944 09:01:19.380 --> 09:01:25.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016, doon tayo nagsimula, kung ano yung pinroposed sa NEP na MPBF noon, asr-007945 09:01:25.880 --> 09:01:27.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yun din ang aprobahan. asr-007946 09:01:27.680 --> 09:01:28.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Anong kongreso? asr-007947 09:01:31.100 --> 09:01:39.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, I mean, even up to, well, ayan, meron na nangyari, no? asr-007948 09:01:39.740 --> 09:01:46.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero makikita talaga natin, starting in 2020, anong year ba ito? asr-007949 09:01:46.720 --> 09:01:52.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2022, and especially 2023, we see the same pattern. asr-007950 09:01:52.320 --> 09:01:56.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: NEP, MPBF is 62 billion. asr-007951 09:01:57.680 --> 09:02:06.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But the GAA, MPBF is, 2023, GAA is 26 billion. asr-007952 09:02:06.780 --> 09:02:08.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 70% lower. asr-007953 09:02:09.380 --> 09:02:11.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Binawasan ng 70%. asr-007954 09:02:11.200 --> 09:02:13.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos, and so on. asr-007955 09:02:14.380 --> 09:02:18.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Again, ang pinakamalala, no? asr-007956 09:02:18.400 --> 09:02:24.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kailangan matalasa kay Saisaya na ang pinakamalalang mga abuso sa budget, 2024. asr-007957 09:02:25.140 --> 09:02:26.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007958 09:02:27.680 --> 09:02:36.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, MPBF then was 135, but approved in GAA is 29 billion. asr-007959 09:02:37.340 --> 09:02:38.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 29 billion. asr-007960 09:02:39.180 --> 09:02:39.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007961 09:02:40.000 --> 09:02:41.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano nangyari doon sa pondo na yun? asr-007962 09:02:42.700 --> 09:02:42.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007963 09:02:43.220 --> 09:02:43.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nangyari? asr-007964 09:02:43.940 --> 09:02:50.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun yung sinatawag dito colloquially na ginawang source para sa mga insertions. asr-007965 09:02:51.220 --> 09:02:51.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? asr-007966 09:02:52.580 --> 09:02:53.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Am I correct in my analysis? asr-007967 09:02:54.800 --> 09:02:55.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam sponsor? asr-007968 09:02:57.680 --> 09:03:00.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The DEV cannot confirm. asr-007969 09:03:00.520 --> 09:03:02.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The DEV cannot confirm. asr-007970 09:03:03.060 --> 09:03:03.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007971 09:03:04.660 --> 09:03:06.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, I confirm. asr-007972 09:03:07.140 --> 09:03:09.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And the data shows na ganun po ang nangyari. asr-007973 09:03:10.500 --> 09:03:10.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007974 09:03:11.660 --> 09:03:18.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, my specific concern is with regard to MPBF for 2027. asr-007975 09:03:18.300 --> 09:03:22.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: As you can see, the 2027 proposed is 55 billion. asr-007976 09:03:22.740 --> 09:03:24.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: A little over 55 billion. asr-007977 09:03:24.220 --> 09:03:25.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mamaya. asr-007978 09:03:26.560 --> 09:03:27.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Wala yata yung... asr-007979 09:03:27.520 --> 09:03:27.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Wala. asr-007980 09:03:27.680 --> 09:03:28.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Wala pa yung DBM. asr-007981 09:03:28.480 --> 09:03:29.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Babalik sila. asr-007982 09:03:30.160 --> 09:03:33.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But isang tinututukan natin dito yung ano eh. asr-007983 09:03:33.880 --> 09:03:38.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ito ang paggagalingan ng pagpapataas sa pera. asr-007984 09:03:39.180 --> 09:03:43.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Personal, economic relief allowance ng mga government employees. asr-007985 09:03:44.060 --> 09:03:44.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan. asr-007986 09:03:44.200 --> 09:03:45.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Lahat kayo rito, government employees. asr-007987 09:03:46.640 --> 09:03:48.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung iba sa inyo, siguro mas malaki ang kita. asr-007988 09:03:48.540 --> 09:03:50.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Baka hindi nyo masyadong nararamdaman to. asr-007989 09:03:50.440 --> 09:03:56.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero yung pera, yan yung 2,000 pesos a month na allowance. asr-007990 09:03:56.840 --> 09:03:59.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: On top of the basic pay. asr-007991 09:04:00.120 --> 09:04:00.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007992 09:04:00.360 --> 09:04:07.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pera na yan, 2,000 na yung papuyan na set at 2,000 pesos a month. asr-007993 09:04:08.100 --> 09:04:08.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-007994 09:04:09.280 --> 09:04:10.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, it's about time. asr-007995 09:04:10.280 --> 09:04:16.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung subsistence allowance sa mga sundalo last year was practically tripled. asr-007996 09:04:17.680 --> 09:04:17.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-007997 09:04:20.280 --> 09:04:23.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: It cost the government something like... asr-007998 09:04:24.360 --> 09:04:24.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Baka na ba yun? asr-007999 09:04:24.820 --> 09:04:26.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 20 plus billion nga tayo. asr-008000 09:04:26.320 --> 09:04:27.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Parang ganun. asr-008001 09:04:27.840 --> 09:04:27.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-008002 09:04:28.920 --> 09:04:29.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008003 09:04:30.500 --> 09:04:34.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Paano naman yung mga civilian bureaucracy natin? asr-008004 09:04:35.820 --> 09:04:36.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008005 09:04:36.640 --> 09:04:39.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, it's about time. asr-008006 09:04:39.560 --> 09:04:42.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Actually, mamaya sa DBM, papakonfirm natin. asr-008007 09:04:42.620 --> 09:04:44.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, yan ang paggagalingan nun. asr-008008 09:04:45.340 --> 09:04:45.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008009 09:04:46.620 --> 09:04:47.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung dagdag sa pera. asr-008010 09:04:47.900 --> 09:04:54.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: A 1,000 peso increase in pera will require 24 billion. asr-008011 09:04:55.200 --> 09:04:55.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Given... asr-008012 09:04:56.320 --> 09:05:01.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2 million national government employees. asr-008013 09:05:02.220 --> 09:05:02.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008014 09:05:03.080 --> 09:05:05.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 24 billion. asr-008015 09:05:06.360 --> 09:05:08.860 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kung 2,000 dadagdag, 48 billion. asr-008016 09:05:09.360 --> 09:05:10.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 55 billion yan. asr-008017 09:05:11.000 --> 09:05:17.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang point ko lang, again, tatanong ko to sa Committee on Appropriations at sa DepDEP na rin. asr-008018 09:05:17.680 --> 09:05:17.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No? asr-008019 09:05:18.740 --> 09:05:21.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba favorable yan para sa mga kamuni? asr-008020 09:05:21.680 --> 09:05:23.220 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Gagalawin ba yung MPDF? asr-008021 09:05:24.320 --> 09:05:25.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Gagawin na naman bang source yan? asr-008022 09:05:26.320 --> 09:05:30.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Katulad nung ginawa noon, natatapya siya ng malaki. asr-008023 09:05:32.060 --> 09:05:34.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At tuloy, hindi na mabibigay sa government employees. asr-008024 09:05:34.900 --> 09:05:35.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun po yung tanong. asr-008025 09:05:37.760 --> 09:05:38.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Please answer. asr-008026 09:05:39.860 --> 09:05:41.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The DepDEP cannot confirm. asr-008027 09:05:41.200 --> 09:05:41.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008028 09:05:41.440 --> 09:05:42.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The DepDEP cannot confirm. asr-008029 09:05:43.260 --> 09:05:43.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you. asr-008030 09:05:45.880 --> 09:05:46.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008031 09:05:47.080 --> 09:05:49.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon, next slide. asr-008032 09:05:49.160 --> 09:05:50.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nga ba yung... asr-008033 09:05:52.880 --> 09:05:53.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008060 09:05:56.320 --> 09:05:56.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008061 09:05:59.280 --> 09:06:01.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, so yun po ang mga... asr-008062 09:06:01.300 --> 09:06:02.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Let me at this point. asr-008063 09:06:03.480 --> 09:06:10.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Some of my questions will be more properly addressed to DBM. asr-008064 09:06:10.960 --> 09:06:13.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, pero yun po ang nirace natin. asr-008065 09:06:17.440 --> 09:06:21.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nandito na si chair ng Committee on Appropriations. asr-008066 09:06:21.260 --> 09:06:24.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang mga nirace ko po na tanong ay... asr-008067 09:06:26.320 --> 09:06:27.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008068 09:06:27.320 --> 09:06:28.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nga ba yung... asr-008069 09:06:28.320 --> 09:06:29.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mga tanong ko. asr-008070 09:06:29.320 --> 09:06:46.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mga tanong ko ay una, will the Committee on Operations and will this Congress entertain asr-008071 09:06:46.560 --> 09:06:54.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: major amendments to the infrastructure budget? asr-008077 09:06:56.040 --> 09:07:02.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ibig sabihin, mga dagdag sa whether it's flood control or roads, bridges, asr-008078 09:07:02.840 --> 09:07:05.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: multi-purpose buildings, and so on. asr-008079 09:07:06.280 --> 09:07:11.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Will we see major changes in the General Appropriations Bill? asr-008080 09:07:11.900 --> 09:07:12.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yun yung isang tanong. asr-008081 09:07:13.420 --> 09:07:16.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pangalawa, gagawin bang source? asr-008082 09:07:17.840 --> 09:07:24.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kung yes, if yes, gagamitin bang source yung Foreign Assisted Project? asr-008083 09:07:24.740 --> 09:07:31.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Particular DOTR as well as Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund. asr-008084 09:07:32.260 --> 09:07:39.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Na historically yun ang mga pangunahing pinagkukunan ng source to fund. asr-008085 09:07:40.620 --> 09:07:43.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course, ang sinasabi natin dito, huwag nyo na gawin yun. asr-008086 09:07:45.080 --> 09:07:52.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In the case of DOTR, Foreign Assisted Project, sabi natin, actually there are constitutional and legal issues asr-008087 09:07:52.480 --> 09:07:53.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that should... asr-008088 09:07:54.740 --> 09:07:55.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: prohibit that. asr-008089 09:07:56.460 --> 09:08:02.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi pwedeng i-maintain mo yung ceiling kung tinanggal mo yung source. asr-008090 09:08:02.980 --> 09:08:03.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? asr-008091 09:08:03.960 --> 09:08:04.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. asr-008092 09:08:04.400 --> 09:08:09.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And as to Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund, especially this year, asr-008093 09:08:10.300 --> 09:08:14.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang panawagan natin sa Kongreso, huwag po gagalawin yan. asr-008094 09:08:16.120 --> 09:08:23.400 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: It's lower than in previous years and yung mga government employees po natin, asr-008095 09:08:23.860 --> 09:08:24.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay matagalawin. asr-008096 09:08:24.740 --> 09:08:29.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dahil na pong nag-iintay ng increase sa kanilang pera, asr-008097 09:08:29.400 --> 09:08:32.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: personal economic relief allowance, at yan ang panggagalingan yan. asr-008098 09:08:33.380 --> 09:08:35.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, hands off, please. Do not touch. asr-008099 09:08:36.180 --> 09:08:37.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Parang yun po ang mensahe natin dito. asr-008100 09:08:38.680 --> 09:08:40.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? Hanggang doon na lang po muna. asr-008101 09:08:41.260 --> 09:08:43.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Maraming salamat po, Madam Speaker. asr-008102 09:08:46.140 --> 09:08:47.000 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Majority Leader. asr-008103 09:08:49.180 --> 09:08:53.860 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Madam Speaker, may we recognize the Honorable Eli San Fernando? asr-008104 09:08:54.740 --> 09:08:58.020 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Of Kamanggagawa Party-list for his interpellation. asr-008105 09:08:58.960 --> 09:09:03.020 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Representative Eli San Fernando is now recognized for his interpellation. asr-008106 09:09:18.680 --> 09:09:20.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po, Madam Speaker. asr-008107 09:09:21.420 --> 09:09:23.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Magandang gabi po sa ating kagalang-galang na sponsor. asr-008108 09:09:24.740 --> 09:09:33.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Noong September 7, asr-008109 09:09:34.720 --> 09:09:38.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pinirmahan po ng National Capital Region Regional Wage Board asr-008110 09:09:38.660 --> 09:09:41.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang Wage Order No. 28. asr-008111 09:09:42.880 --> 09:09:48.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Signing on behalf of DEFDEV was ASEC Tolentino. asr-008112 09:09:49.840 --> 09:09:52.160 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Bahagi ng proseso sa wage determination asr-008113 09:09:52.160 --> 09:09:54.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang public consultation. asr-008114 09:09:54.720 --> 09:09:57.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, asr-008115 09:09:57.280 --> 09:09:58.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker. asr-008116 09:09:59.420 --> 09:10:02.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nandoon po ba ang DEFDEV sa public consultation? asr-008117 09:10:04.660 --> 09:10:06.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-008118 09:10:06.860 --> 09:10:10.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kinukonfirm po ng DEFDEV, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008119 09:10:10.760 --> 09:10:15.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na nandoon po ang DEFDEV sa ginanap na public consultation. asr-008120 09:10:16.680 --> 09:10:22.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, with the indulgence of this honorable chamber, asr-008121 09:10:22.820 --> 09:10:24.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nagsisinungaling po harap-harapan. asr-008122 09:10:24.720 --> 09:10:27.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang DEV-DEV. asr-008123 09:10:29.120 --> 09:10:32.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wala pong public consultation na naganap, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008124 09:10:34.180 --> 09:10:36.580 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: September 2, 2026. asr-008125 09:10:37.260 --> 09:10:39.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: I was there, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008126 09:10:40.700 --> 09:10:42.580 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: together with labor representatives, asr-008127 09:10:42.580 --> 09:10:47.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and we were questioning the nature of that meeting. asr-008128 09:10:49.280 --> 09:10:53.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wala pong naganap na public consultation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008129 09:10:53.480 --> 09:11:02.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dahil patagupo na inilunsad ng Regional Wage Board National Capital Region asr-008130 09:11:02.360 --> 09:11:04.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang meeting na iyon. asr-008131 09:11:05.140 --> 09:11:08.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And the labor representatives, this representation included, asr-008132 09:11:08.700 --> 09:11:13.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: was actually questioning the nature of that meeting. asr-008133 09:11:14.260 --> 09:11:16.260 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In fact, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008134 09:11:17.160 --> 09:11:20.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the Regional Director of National Capital Region, DOLE, asr-008135 09:11:21.680 --> 09:11:22.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: said verbatim, asr-008136 09:11:23.480 --> 09:11:27.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pinupulsuhan lang namin ang mga manggagawa. asr-008137 09:11:29.480 --> 09:11:32.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Not even in the agenda, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008138 09:11:33.460 --> 09:11:37.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na nakalagay ang wage determination. asr-008139 09:11:37.180 --> 09:11:43.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So again, my question to the Honorable Sponsor, asr-008140 09:11:44.280 --> 09:11:48.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: meron po bang naganap na public consultation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker? asr-008141 09:11:50.820 --> 09:11:53.180 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, there was a public hearing. asr-008142 09:11:53.480 --> 09:11:56.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So a public hearing. asr-008143 09:11:57.780 --> 09:12:00.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Tama po ba, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker? asr-008144 09:12:02.760 --> 09:12:03.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-008145 09:12:04.120 --> 09:12:09.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So there was a public hearing on wage determination. asr-008146 09:12:10.260 --> 09:12:13.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Let it be put on record, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008147 09:12:13.960 --> 09:12:18.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that the DEF-DEF affirms that there was a public hearing asr-008148 09:12:18.920 --> 09:12:22.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which was conducted by the Regional Wage Board NCR asr-008149 09:12:23.480 --> 09:12:31.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Unto which, DepDev is a member na nagkaroon daw po ng public hearing noong araw na yon, September 2, 2026. asr-008150 09:12:33.100 --> 09:12:42.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meron po bang minutes of the meeting na available at hawak ngayon ang DepDev being a member of the Regional Wage Board National Capital Region? asr-008151 09:12:45.400 --> 09:12:51.800 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As of the moment, Madam Speaker, there are no on-hand documents of the minutes of the hearing. asr-008152 09:12:51.800 --> 09:12:53.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wala pong on-hand na dokumento. asr-008153 09:12:54.320 --> 09:13:10.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero mapoproduce po ba ng DepDev, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, that specific minutes of the meeting wherein nakasulat po sa katitikan ng meeting na yan na nagkaroon ng public consultation, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor? asr-008154 09:13:11.780 --> 09:13:17.440 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DepDev can ask the Wage Board for a copy of the hearing. asr-008155 09:13:18.000 --> 09:13:21.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So when can we have the copy of the minutes of the meeting, Madam Sponsor? asr-008156 09:13:21.800 --> 09:13:29.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, because it is important. We are talking about 1.1 million minimum wage earners, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008157 09:13:31.880 --> 09:13:35.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The DepDev will request for a copy of the minutes of the meeting. asr-008158 09:13:35.020 --> 09:13:45.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Will there be a timeline as to when the minutes of the meeting of that particular public hearing will be produced or will be submitted to this chamber, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor? asr-008159 09:13:45.560 --> 09:13:46.560 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: I will request it now. asr-008160 09:13:51.800 --> 09:13:55.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: I will request as right now, this very moment. asr-008161 09:13:56.320 --> 09:13:59.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor. Maraming salamat, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008162 09:13:59.480 --> 09:14:10.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So this representation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, stands firm that the labor representatives were there and we were actually questioning the nature of that particular meeting. asr-008163 09:14:11.600 --> 09:14:14.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Second question, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008164 09:14:15.000 --> 09:14:21.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sa proseso po ng wage determination, kapag may wage order na, dapat pagtibayin asr-008165 09:14:21.800 --> 09:14:25.940 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng National Wages and Productivity Commission. asr-008166 09:14:26.580 --> 09:14:37.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yung anumang wage order na ilalabas, DepDev serves as an ex-official vice chair of the National Wages and Productivity Commission. asr-008167 09:14:37.460 --> 09:14:44.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: My question is very straightforward. Nagkaroon ba ng NWPC meeting to affirm wage order number 28? asr-008168 09:14:46.900 --> 09:14:50.580 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. As per the DepDev. asr-008169 09:14:51.800 --> 09:14:57.120 Floor Leader: Majority Leader, Madam Speaker, I move to suspend. asr-008170 09:14:58.180 --> 09:15:06.560 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Session is suspended for a few minutes. Session is resumed. asr-008171 09:15:08.200 --> 09:15:12.000 Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: Madam Speaker, the majority would just like to make a quick manifestation. asr-008172 09:15:12.000 --> 09:15:22.020 Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: As previously discussed with members of the minority, some are willing to address both DEP, DEV, and DBM in the interest of expediency, asr-008173 09:15:22.720 --> 09:15:27.680 Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: as Pong Eli San Fernando has earlier signified. asr-008174 09:15:27.680 --> 09:15:38.160 Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: So we would also like to recognize the presence of DBM Secretary Kim and his staff in order to answer those questions along with DEP. asr-008175 09:15:38.280 --> 09:15:39.420 Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: Thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-008176 09:15:39.840 --> 09:15:44.440 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: This is noted. Majority Leader, we may proceed. asr-008177 09:15:45.120 --> 09:15:47.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008178 09:15:47.100 --> 09:15:50.820 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: If I may just repeat my question. asr-008179 09:15:51.320 --> 09:15:57.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sa proseso ng wage determination, kapag merong wage order, dapat pagtibayin asr-008180 09:15:57.680 --> 09:15:59.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng National Wages and Productivity Commission. asr-008181 09:16:00.620 --> 09:16:04.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, DEP-DEV serves as an ex-official vice chair of NWPC. asr-008182 09:16:05.480 --> 09:16:10.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question is, nagkaroon ba ng NWPC meeting to affirm wage order number 28? asr-008183 09:16:12.320 --> 09:16:13.620 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. asr-008184 09:16:14.100 --> 09:16:16.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: When was this meeting held, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker? asr-008185 09:16:19.220 --> 09:16:21.440 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The 11th of September, 2026, Madam Speaker. asr-008186 09:16:21.440 --> 09:16:22.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 11th of September. asr-008187 09:16:23.320 --> 09:16:26.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maganda po na sinabi yan ng ating butihing sponsor. asr-008188 09:16:26.720 --> 09:16:27.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Dahil po sa una, asr-008189 09:16:27.680 --> 09:16:31.540 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nang inilabas po ng National Wages and Productivity Commission, asr-008190 09:16:32.120 --> 09:16:33.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nandun din po ang kinatawang ito. asr-008191 09:16:36.820 --> 09:16:41.940 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wala pong naganap na NWPC meeting sa Manila Hotel, asr-008192 09:16:42.080 --> 09:16:43.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nandyan po si Yusik Edelion, asr-008193 09:16:44.060 --> 09:16:49.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung saan siya po dapat ang uupo doon bilang kinatawan ng NWPC meeting. asr-008194 09:16:49.960 --> 09:16:51.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, ibig sabihin po ba nito? asr-008195 09:16:52.240 --> 09:16:56.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Talagang tinatago ng NWPC meeting ang pulong kung saan pinagtitibay asr-008196 09:16:57.680 --> 09:16:59.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang sahod ng mga manggagawa. asr-008197 09:17:08.120 --> 09:17:15.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DepDev confirms that there was a meeting held on the 11th of September, 2026. asr-008198 09:17:15.620 --> 09:17:18.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kinukumpirma po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008199 09:17:18.620 --> 09:17:22.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng DepDev na may naganap na meeting noong September 11. asr-008200 09:17:23.320 --> 09:17:25.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maaari po bang malaman ang kinatawang ito? asr-008201 09:17:26.400 --> 09:17:27.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Anong oras at saan? asr-008202 09:17:27.520 --> 09:17:32.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Saan ginanap ang meeting ng NWPC dated September 11, 2026? asr-008203 09:17:38.520 --> 09:17:46.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, this said meeting was transpired at Manila Hotel around 1pm. asr-008204 09:17:46.760 --> 09:17:47.600 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As for the DepDev? asr-008205 09:17:48.220 --> 09:17:52.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Parang hindi po sigurado, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, ang DepDev. asr-008206 09:17:53.960 --> 09:17:57.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nagkaroon po ng meeting September 11. asr-008207 09:17:57.520 --> 09:18:02.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Manila Hotel para pagtibayin yung wage order number 28. asr-008208 09:18:03.660 --> 09:18:11.260 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: A day after ng supposedly meeting ng NWPC para pagtibayin yung wage order 28. asr-008209 09:18:11.600 --> 09:18:18.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, my question is, deliberately ba tinatago ng NWPC ang usapin ng sahod ng mga manggagawa? asr-008212 09:18:48.600 --> 09:18:52.600 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, that's not the intention of the DepDev. asr-008213 09:18:52.600 --> 09:18:54.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: That's not the intention. asr-008214 09:18:54.660 --> 09:18:56.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: But it was the result, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008215 09:18:57.520 --> 09:19:08.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Itinago ng NWPC kung saan miyembro ang DepDev yung pag-uusap tungkol sa sahod ng mga minimum wage earners. asr-008216 09:19:09.300 --> 09:19:13.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We are not just talking about 1, 2, 3 minimum wage earners. asr-008217 09:19:13.940 --> 09:19:17.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We are talking about 1.1 million minimum wage earners in NCR. asr-008218 09:19:21.160 --> 09:19:25.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, would the DepDev clarify this, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker? asr-008219 09:19:27.520 --> 09:19:38.780 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DepDev also cites that there were labor representatives and employee representatives present at the meeting. asr-008220 09:19:38.780 --> 09:19:44.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: There were labor representatives and employee representatives at the said NWPC meeting. asr-008221 09:19:45.880 --> 09:19:53.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question is, is NWPC deliberately hiding the said meeting? asr-008222 09:19:53.900 --> 09:19:56.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question is, is NWPC deliberately hiding the said meeting? asr-008223 09:19:57.520 --> 09:20:06.100 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But at least on the part of DepDev, Madam Speaker, the board, well, we can only speak for the representative of DepDev. asr-008224 09:20:06.880 --> 09:20:11.100 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And that is not the intention of the DepDev in attending that meeting. asr-008225 09:20:11.680 --> 09:20:14.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, kaya ako po binabanggit ito. asr-008226 09:20:15.560 --> 09:20:23.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Una, nandun po ang kinatawang ito sa supposedly public consultation na ina-affirm ng DepDev na nangyari daw. asr-008227 09:20:23.360 --> 09:20:27.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And I am proving them wrong, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008228 09:20:27.520 --> 09:20:29.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: There was no public consultation. asr-008229 09:20:30.160 --> 09:20:35.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nanggaling na mismo yan sa bibig ng regional director ng DOLE-NCR. asr-008230 09:20:35.320 --> 09:20:38.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And we will question him sa proper time. asr-008231 09:20:38.640 --> 09:20:50.580 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Second, sinasabi ngayon ng DepDev na nagkaroon daw ng NWPC meeting a day after nung supposed or original na schedule ng NWPC meeting. asr-008232 09:20:50.980 --> 09:20:55.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Same hotel, Manila Hotel, itinago sa mga manggagawa. asr-008233 09:20:55.400 --> 09:21:03.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At sinasabi na hindi naman intensyon ng DepDev na itago yung pag-uusap tungkol sa sahod ng mga manggagawa. asr-008234 09:21:03.900 --> 09:21:06.260 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: But it was the result, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008235 09:21:06.880 --> 09:21:10.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: I will not belabor the point on that, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008236 09:21:10.780 --> 09:21:13.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maganda po na nabanggit na dito sa bulwagang ito. asr-008237 09:21:14.480 --> 09:21:18.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Rule 4, Section 5 of the Omnibus Rules on Minimum Wage Determination. asr-008238 09:21:18.620 --> 09:21:25.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: As amended by NWPC Resolution No. 5, Series of 2013. asr-008239 09:21:25.400 --> 09:21:29.260 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: It provides, and I quote, asr-008240 09:21:30.100 --> 09:21:38.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Should the Board find urgent and reasonable grounds to commence the Minimum Wage Determination process asr-008241 09:21:38.760 --> 09:21:43.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: earlier than 60 days prior to the anniversary date of the current wage order, asr-008242 09:21:44.600 --> 09:21:51.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: it shall submit a written recommendation and justification for this purpose to the Commission asr-008243 09:21:51.140 --> 09:21:55.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: for the latter's consideration and approval within five working days. asr-008244 09:21:55.400 --> 09:22:02.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Once approved by the Commission, the Board may initiate the Minimum Wage Determination process. asr-008245 09:22:04.080 --> 09:22:04.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: End of quote. asr-008246 09:22:05.200 --> 09:22:05.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Question. asr-008247 09:22:07.520 --> 09:22:13.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nagkaroon po ba ng sapat na justification para maglabas ng panibagong wage order? asr-008248 09:22:14.180 --> 09:22:19.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wage order No. 27 was effective July 25 of this year. asr-008249 09:22:19.860 --> 09:22:23.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And surprisingly, nabiglat, nagulat ang lahat. asr-008250 09:22:25.400 --> 09:22:28.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: May panibago ng wage order. asr-008251 09:22:29.020 --> 09:22:30.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yung wage order No. 28. asr-008252 09:22:31.080 --> 09:22:35.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: What was the justification of the Commission and the Regional Wage Board? asr-008253 09:22:36.080 --> 09:22:38.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: As approved by the NWPC wherein? asr-008254 09:22:39.280 --> 09:22:40.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Depdev is a member. asr-008255 09:22:40.820 --> 09:22:42.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008256 09:22:48.240 --> 09:22:53.420 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, this representation is in receipt of a new document. asr-008261 09:22:55.300 --> 09:23:00.080 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: To correct, the meeting was held on September 10. asr-008262 09:23:00.280 --> 09:23:01.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: September 10 po yung? asr-008263 09:23:02.120 --> 09:23:06.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Meeting. The NWPC meeting in Manila Hotel. asr-008264 09:23:06.380 --> 09:23:07.600 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And the NWPC meeting. asr-008265 09:23:08.020 --> 09:23:08.300 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes. asr-008266 09:23:08.440 --> 09:23:09.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: What time was it? asr-008267 09:23:10.840 --> 09:23:12.760 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well, at least on the document, it says 1pm. asr-008268 09:23:13.320 --> 09:23:14.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 1 p.m., Madam? asr-008269 09:23:16.640 --> 09:23:23.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, niloloko po ang kinatawang ito at ang bulwagang ito. asr-008270 09:23:23.120 --> 09:23:27.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: I was there 1pm until 5pm. asr-008271 09:23:28.360 --> 09:23:30.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kami nagbukas, kami rin ang nagsara. asr-008272 09:23:30.920 --> 09:23:34.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Umuwi na nga yung mga sekretaryat ng Regional Wage Board. asr-008273 09:23:36.460 --> 09:23:40.160 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, deliberately niloloko ng dep-dep. asr-008274 09:23:41.620 --> 09:23:42.820 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang mga mambabatas. asr-008275 09:23:52.100 --> 09:23:53.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nandun po ako. asr-008276 09:23:53.120 --> 09:23:55.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, ito po, picture o. asr-008277 09:23:55.640 --> 09:23:55.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yan. asr-008278 09:23:56.940 --> 09:23:58.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nandun ako sa pangalan ni Sekretary Tolentino. asr-008279 09:24:05.260 --> 09:24:15.560 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, at least on this document, it says that the meeting was held in, well, 10 September 2020, 6 at 1pm at the DAO? asr-008280 09:24:16.000 --> 09:24:16.480 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DAO? asr-008281 09:24:16.660 --> 09:24:17.220 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DAO! asr-008282 09:24:17.760 --> 09:24:18.520 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Meeting Room. asr-008283 09:24:19.140 --> 09:24:22.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, nandoon po ako sa DAO! asr-008284 09:24:23.120 --> 09:24:31.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In fact, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, inantay namin hanggang gabi. asr-008285 09:24:32.440 --> 09:24:36.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Inuwian na lang kami ng sekretaryat ng Regional Wage Board. asr-008286 09:24:37.060 --> 09:24:43.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, naiintindihan ko po kung may confusion sa bahagi ng dep-dep, asr-008287 09:24:44.520 --> 09:24:49.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: but someone from the Regional Wage Board NCR is not telling the truth. asr-008288 09:24:51.340 --> 09:24:52.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now, how can we? asr-008289 09:24:53.120 --> 09:25:03.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: How can we justify yung budget na hinihingi o pinopropose ng dep-dep kung sa simpleng usapin ng sahot ng mga manggagawa, asr-008290 09:25:03.880 --> 09:25:08.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi masagot ng deretsahan at ng totohanan ang mga manggagawa? asr-008291 09:25:08.880 --> 09:25:15.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We demand a clarification, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, from the Department of Economy, Planning and Development. asr-008292 09:25:16.000 --> 09:25:17.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008296 09:25:22.440 --> 09:25:52.420 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you. asr-008298 09:26:03.920 --> 09:26:13.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, just to expound also, the representative of DepDev is saying that there was a change in venue. asr-008299 09:26:15.420 --> 09:26:22.420 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Unfortunately, the name of the meeting room, it's an unofficial correspondence. asr-008300 09:26:22.440 --> 09:26:30.860 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It's the U. However, the recollection is muddy in terms of what particular meeting room they actually went to. asr-008301 09:26:32.600 --> 09:26:37.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, I cannot believe this, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008302 09:26:38.860 --> 09:26:42.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Hindi maalala kung saan sila nag-meeting. asr-008303 09:26:44.240 --> 09:26:47.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yung Manila room, nakalagay dun mismo anong room. asr-008304 09:26:48.480 --> 09:26:49.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Makikita, mababasa. asr-008305 09:26:50.600 --> 09:26:52.420 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008306 09:26:52.440 --> 09:26:58.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meron pong nagsisinungaling at nanluloko sa mga manggagawa, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008307 09:27:04.020 --> 09:27:10.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Adjacent, Madam Sponsor, adjacent o katabi nung the room, wala rin pong mga nag-me-meeting. asr-008308 09:27:11.700 --> 09:27:15.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We know for a fact, because we were there, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008310 09:27:42.500 --> 09:28:22.400 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well, Madam Speaker, we understand the concern. Definitely, we share the same concern of the Honorable San Fernando. If it would be beneficial, I think the best course of action, at least at this point in time, there is a list of people who supposedly attended the meeting. We can just give you the list of people asr-008311 09:28:22.440 --> 09:28:27.160 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and we can confirm if the meeting actually took place. asr-008312 09:28:27.900 --> 09:28:32.340 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: I personally, this representation will help the Honorable San Fernando confirm this also. asr-008313 09:28:32.940 --> 09:28:35.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008314 09:28:36.400 --> 09:28:43.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mahalaga po na napag-uusapan natin ang bagay na ito, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008315 09:28:44.460 --> 09:28:52.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Dahil meron pong hindi malinaw sa proseso ng pagtatakda ng meeting. asr-008316 09:28:52.440 --> 09:29:01.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Minimum wage at may kalituhang nangyayari na idinulot ng Wage Order 28 at ng Wage Order 27. asr-008317 09:29:01.780 --> 09:29:12.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And it is surprising, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, na pati ang DepDev who sits as the ex-official vice chair of NWPC, asr-008318 09:29:13.800 --> 09:29:15.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mukha po silang clueless. asr-008319 09:29:16.900 --> 09:29:22.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero kung binabanggit po ng butihing sponsor na magpoprovide ng mga dokumentasyon, asr-008320 09:29:22.440 --> 09:29:29.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na nagpapakita na merong naganap na pulong, gusto pong makita ng representasyong yan. asr-008321 09:29:29.620 --> 09:29:37.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At maraming salamat po sa sponsor na tinitiyak na magkakaroon tayo ng kopya ng nasabing pulong. asr-008322 09:29:38.340 --> 09:29:41.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: But let it be put on record, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008323 09:29:42.840 --> 09:29:48.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na kahit po ang DepDev ay lito at hindi alam ang mga espesipikong detalye asr-008324 09:29:48.620 --> 09:29:52.420 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng pagtitibay ng Wage Order 28, asr-008325 09:29:52.440 --> 09:29:57.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na bahagi ng kanilang responsibilidad at ng kanilang mandato. asr-008326 09:29:58.060 --> 09:29:58.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: This is unacceptable. asr-008327 09:30:00.000 --> 09:30:05.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Proper time, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, kapag sumalang na po ang Department of Labor and Employment, asr-008328 09:30:06.360 --> 09:30:14.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sisingilin po natin ang kagawaran na yun, batay sa record at sinasabi ng DepDev ngayon sa deliberasyong ito. asr-008329 09:30:15.240 --> 09:30:17.540 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Susunod po, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008330 09:30:19.340 --> 09:30:25.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sabi po ng Wage Order No. 28 kung saan pumirma ulit ang DepDev. asr-008331 09:30:25.100 --> 09:30:32.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sabi po, Wage Order No. 27 never took effect. asr-008332 09:30:33.860 --> 09:30:36.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ano pong kalukuhan ito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor? asr-008333 09:30:37.660 --> 09:30:44.540 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Is it the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect? asr-008334 09:30:45.120 --> 09:30:47.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kasi pumirma po sila, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008335 09:30:55.100 --> 09:31:09.920 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, as for the DepDev, the reason for the non-implementation of Wage Order No. 27 is because asr-008336 09:31:09.920 --> 09:31:15.880 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: apparently there was a TRO that was issued the day before the meeting took place. asr-008337 09:31:15.880 --> 09:31:24.580 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, non-implementation is different from the wording of Wage Order No. 28 which specifically say, asr-008338 09:31:25.100 --> 09:31:29.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wage Order No. 27 never took effect. asr-008339 09:31:30.260 --> 09:31:32.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: What does that mean in popular parlance? asr-008340 09:31:33.040 --> 09:31:37.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang ibig sabihin po niyan, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, sinasabi ng Regional Wage Board asr-008341 09:31:37.560 --> 09:31:40.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi naman nangyari yung dagdag sahod na P85. asr-008342 09:31:42.760 --> 09:31:45.540 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Never took effect. Hindi nangyari. asr-008343 09:31:46.860 --> 09:31:53.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: But it was the Secretary of the Department of Labor and Employment who announced it as historic wage increase. asr-008344 09:31:54.300 --> 09:31:54.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now, my friends... asr-008345 09:31:55.100 --> 09:32:04.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question again is, is it the position of the DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect? asr-008346 09:32:13.240 --> 09:32:17.660 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, on the part of DepDev, apparently this was a collegial decision. asr-008347 09:32:18.820 --> 09:32:22.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: It was a collegial, but they signed. DepDev signed. So, it is the position. asr-008348 09:32:23.040 --> 09:32:24.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: It's answerable by yes or no. asr-008349 09:32:24.260 --> 09:32:25.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Okay lang kung... asr-008350 09:32:25.020 --> 09:32:26.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun ang position ng DepDev, Madam Sponsor. asr-008351 09:32:27.140 --> 09:32:28.560 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: In the function of that, yes, Madam Sponsor. asr-008352 09:32:28.560 --> 09:32:35.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yes. So, it is the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect. asr-008353 09:32:35.960 --> 09:32:40.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Chapter 3, Section 4, IRR of RA 6727. asr-008354 09:32:41.420 --> 09:32:48.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 15 days upon the publication of any wage order, that wage order shall take effect. asr-008355 09:32:49.020 --> 09:32:49.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Question. asr-008356 09:32:50.620 --> 09:32:52.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na-publish ba yung Wage Order No. 27? asr-008357 09:32:52.940 --> 09:32:54.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The answer is yes. asr-008358 09:32:55.020 --> 09:32:56.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na-isa publiko ba? asr-008359 09:32:56.360 --> 09:32:57.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The answer is yes. asr-008360 09:32:58.220 --> 09:33:01.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thirdly, na-i-announce ba ng mismong kalihim ng DOLE? asr-008361 09:33:01.800 --> 09:33:02.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The answer is yes. asr-008362 09:33:03.340 --> 09:33:08.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Why is it the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect? asr-008363 09:33:15.200 --> 09:33:16.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Never took [unclear]. asr-008365 09:33:16.460 --> 09:33:19.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The problem is, nagcirculate [unclear]. asr-008368 09:33:38.480 --> 09:33:42.260 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, on the part of DepDev, it's really the TRO. asr-008369 09:33:43.060 --> 09:33:45.940 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Apparently, there was a declaration also of the status quo ante. asr-008370 09:33:47.280 --> 09:33:48.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, it's because of the TRO. asr-008371 09:33:49.920 --> 09:33:51.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yes. Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008372 09:33:51.780 --> 09:33:54.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: if I may remind, DepDev, asr-008373 09:33:55.020 --> 09:34:00.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: there was an order coming from Pasig RTC Branch 152. asr-008374 09:34:00.380 --> 09:34:02.940 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And the order explicitly say, asr-008375 09:34:04.120 --> 09:34:12.160 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: let a preliminary injunction be issued upon putting up a bond of 10 billion pesos. asr-008376 09:34:13.460 --> 09:34:17.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In the previous DOLE budget consideration in the committee, asr-008377 09:34:18.040 --> 09:34:19.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008378 09:34:19.280 --> 09:34:23.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: it was the Department of Labor and Employment Secretary himself who said, asr-008379 09:34:24.400 --> 09:34:25.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he doesn't know. asr-008380 09:34:25.020 --> 09:34:27.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meaning, walang nalagay na bond. asr-008381 09:34:28.620 --> 09:34:32.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, if there is no bond, then there is no injunction. asr-008382 09:34:33.480 --> 09:34:37.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The rules of court is very specific about this. asr-008383 09:34:38.660 --> 09:34:41.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now, without a bond, walang preliminary injunction. asr-008384 09:34:42.960 --> 09:34:46.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Indispensable requirement ng preliminary injunction ang bond. asr-008385 09:34:48.240 --> 09:34:49.580 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, wala pong nailagak na bond. asr-008386 09:34:50.400 --> 09:34:51.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Therefore, there is no injunction. asr-008387 09:34:51.600 --> 09:34:53.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: If there is no injunction, asr-008388 09:34:53.660 --> 09:34:55.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: it is the position of the office, asr-008389 09:34:55.020 --> 09:34:56.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the office of the Solicitor General, asr-008390 09:34:56.980 --> 09:34:58.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: abogado ng gobyerno, asr-008391 09:34:58.760 --> 09:34:59.580 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na sinasabi nila, asr-008392 09:35:00.020 --> 09:35:06.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: there is no legal impediment in enforcing Wage Order No. 27. asr-008393 09:35:06.660 --> 09:35:08.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question again is, asr-008394 09:35:08.600 --> 09:35:12.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: even if that is very clear sa ating mga batas, asr-008395 09:35:13.000 --> 09:35:19.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: why is it the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect? asr-008396 09:35:25.020 --> 09:35:29.900 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, again, just on the part of DepDev, asr-008397 09:35:30.060 --> 09:35:31.380 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it was a collegial decision. asr-008398 09:35:32.820 --> 09:35:34.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008399 09:35:36.360 --> 09:35:39.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang punto ko po, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008400 09:35:41.380 --> 09:35:44.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa dinami-rami ko pong binanggit ng mga puntos, asr-008401 09:35:44.980 --> 09:35:47.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mismong DepDev na bahagi ng NWPC asr-008402 09:35:47.860 --> 09:35:52.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay lito, una, sa mga tunay na nangyari at naganap asr-008403 09:35:52.500 --> 09:35:54.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: leading to the issuance of Wage Order No. 27. asr-008404 09:35:55.020 --> 09:36:00.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mas nalito pa tayo lahat dahil may existing Wage Order No. 27 asr-008405 09:36:00.480 --> 09:36:03.420 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at naglabas ng panibagong Wage Order No. 28 asr-008406 09:36:03.420 --> 09:36:07.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kahit labag ito sa rules mismo ng NWPC. asr-008407 09:36:07.760 --> 09:36:10.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Second point, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008408 09:36:10.600 --> 09:36:12.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi nagkaroon ng public consultation. asr-008409 09:36:13.000 --> 09:36:17.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Third point, hindi rin nagkaroon ng meeting ang NWPC asr-008410 09:36:17.280 --> 09:36:20.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: para pagtibayin yung Wage Order No. 28. asr-008411 09:36:21.320 --> 09:36:23.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero binabanggit kanina, nagkaroon daw ng pulong, asr-008412 09:36:23.880 --> 09:36:24.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pero hindi rin nilaman. asr-008413 09:36:25.020 --> 09:36:27.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Malaman o matandaan saan sila nagpulong, asr-008414 09:36:27.520 --> 09:36:29.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: anong oras sila nagpulong, at merong kalituhan. asr-008415 09:36:30.540 --> 09:36:32.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008416 09:36:32.600 --> 09:36:36.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mas nagbibigay ito ng maraming tanong kaysa kalinawan. asr-008417 09:36:37.440 --> 09:36:40.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kaya ako po binibigyang din ito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008418 09:36:41.300 --> 09:36:44.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: malinaw po kasi na merong wage rollback na nangyari. asr-008419 09:36:45.200 --> 09:36:50.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wage Order No. 27, total wage increase amounts to P85. asr-008420 09:36:51.180 --> 09:36:55.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: P60 of which, the first tranche, asr-008421 09:36:55.860 --> 09:36:57.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: effective na since July 25. asr-008422 09:36:58.480 --> 09:37:01.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: That means, kapag in-implement yung Wage Order No. 27, asr-008423 09:37:02.640 --> 09:37:06.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: may retroactive pay ang mga manggagawang minimum wage earner asr-008424 09:37:06.140 --> 09:37:09.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng P60 starting July 25. asr-008425 09:37:10.580 --> 09:37:16.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, pumapatak ang metro, mahigit P3,000 na ang naaagaw mula sa mga manggagawa. asr-008426 09:37:16.440 --> 09:37:17.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Hindi po simpleng halaga yan. asr-008427 09:37:18.140 --> 09:37:21.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Malaking tulong yan para sa mga manggagawa, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008428 09:37:21.720 --> 09:37:24.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, sa halip na tindigan, asr-008429 09:37:25.020 --> 09:37:29.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng NWPC, ng DOLE, kung ano yung kanyang mandato, asr-008430 09:37:29.600 --> 09:37:33.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dahil iginawad yan ng Kongreso sa visa ng RA 6727, asr-008431 09:37:35.080 --> 09:37:39.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nakikita po natin na parang isinasantabi o isinusuko asr-008432 09:37:39.780 --> 09:37:43.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng NWPC mismo kung saan pahagi ang DepDev, asr-008433 09:37:44.220 --> 09:37:46.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung kanyang responsibilidad at trabaho asr-008434 09:37:46.600 --> 09:37:53.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bilang merong exclusive jurisdiction on wage determination. asr-008435 09:37:55.020 --> 09:37:57.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun po ang punto dito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008436 09:37:58.600 --> 09:38:01.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mas malaking problema, because of Wage Order No. 28, asr-008437 09:38:02.440 --> 09:38:06.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: wala nang aasahan na retroactive pay yung mga manggagawa asr-008438 09:38:06.220 --> 09:38:09.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: unless otherwise clarified and cleared by the court. asr-008439 09:38:11.100 --> 09:38:13.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang problema pa dito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008440 09:38:14.220 --> 09:38:15.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: because of Wage Order No. 28, asr-008441 09:38:16.280 --> 09:38:20.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na wala na yung dagdag na P25 sa mga minimum wage earners asr-008442 09:38:20.480 --> 09:38:23.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na dapat matanggap nila Enero 2027. asr-008443 09:38:23.900 --> 09:38:27.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And it will produce another question. asr-008444 09:38:28.140 --> 09:38:32.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kung ang posisyon ng NWPC ay para magkaroon ng inovasyon asr-008445 09:38:32.660 --> 09:38:35.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maibigay na sa mga manggagawa, yung P60, asr-008446 09:38:35.640 --> 09:38:38.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ibig sabihin ba magkakaroon ng Wage Order No. 29? asr-008447 09:38:40.080 --> 09:38:44.820 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na magsasabi, magdagdag tayo ng panibagong P25 asr-008448 09:38:44.820 --> 09:38:47.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: para sa mga minimum wage earners. asr-008449 09:38:47.700 --> 09:38:51.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: E di-veniolate na, nilabag na ng NWPC asr-008450 09:38:51.400 --> 09:38:53.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung kanyang sariling rules. asr-008451 09:38:53.900 --> 09:38:57.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Naglabas ng dalawang wage order sa isang taon asr-008452 09:38:57.380 --> 09:39:00.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at ngayon may question kung maglalabas ulit ng panibagong wage order. asr-008453 09:39:01.960 --> 09:39:04.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun po ang punto dito, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008454 09:39:05.440 --> 09:39:08.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mismong mga regional wage boards, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008455 09:39:09.240 --> 09:39:12.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay hindi sumusunod sa mga proseso ng batas asr-008456 09:39:12.220 --> 09:39:19.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na ginawa para itakda yung minimum wage natatanggap ng mga manggagawa asr-008457 09:39:19.020 --> 09:39:20.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at yan po yung dahilan. asr-008458 09:39:20.140 --> 09:39:21.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mga manggagawa na tayo, asr-008459 09:39:22.200 --> 09:39:23.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: una, hindi nang-responsive, asr-008460 09:39:23.900 --> 09:39:25.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pangangailangan ng mga manggagawa. asr-008461 09:39:26.200 --> 09:39:30.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ikalawa, nilalabag pa mismo ng mga ahensa ng gobyerno asr-008462 09:39:30.100 --> 09:39:31.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung ano nakasulat sa batas. asr-008463 09:39:32.580 --> 09:39:34.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kung hindi nasusunod ang batas, asr-008464 09:39:34.840 --> 09:39:39.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: logical lang na dapat reviewhin o repasuhin ang batas. asr-008465 09:39:39.780 --> 09:39:43.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon po, kung nakikita natin na may kaguluhan na nagaganap asr-008466 09:39:43.700 --> 09:39:46.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dito sa wage setting determination natin asr-008467 09:39:46.440 --> 09:39:49.040 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: as enshrined in RA 6727, asr-008468 09:39:49.800 --> 09:39:52.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nakakapagtaka po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, asr-008469 09:39:52.340 --> 09:39:53.340 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that the position, asr-008470 09:39:53.900 --> 09:39:56.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of the Secretary of Dep-Def, asr-008471 09:39:57.240 --> 09:39:58.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sabi po ay, asr-008472 09:39:58.680 --> 09:40:00.960 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: legislating a minimum wage asr-008473 09:40:00.960 --> 09:40:03.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is not the right thing to do. asr-008474 09:40:04.840 --> 09:40:07.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Papaano pong bibigyang matwid ng Dep-Def asr-008475 09:40:07.760 --> 09:40:10.560 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi tama ang pagle-legislate asr-008476 09:40:10.560 --> 09:40:12.420 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng minimum wage asr-008477 09:40:12.420 --> 09:40:14.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung nakikita na natin ngayon asr-008478 09:40:14.480 --> 09:40:17.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na malaki ang problema sa mga regional wage boards? asr-008479 09:40:18.280 --> 09:40:20.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: If we're going back to our history, asr-008480 09:40:21.100 --> 09:40:22.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bakit nagkaroon ng RA 6727 asr-008483 09:40:23.900 --> 09:40:27.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pinoproteksyonan niya yung wage setting mechanism? asr-008484 09:40:27.880 --> 09:40:29.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sabi nung mga nagtulak niyan, asr-008485 09:40:29.420 --> 09:40:32.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kailangan ma-insulate natin, asr-008486 09:40:32.560 --> 09:40:35.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mailayo natin mula sa awayan sa politika asr-008487 09:40:35.600 --> 09:40:36.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o pamumulitika asr-008488 09:40:36.720 --> 09:40:39.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o pangingi-alam ng korte asr-008489 09:40:39.380 --> 09:40:41.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung wage setting determination natin. asr-008490 09:40:42.120 --> 09:40:43.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: That was in 1989. asr-008491 09:40:45.100 --> 09:40:48.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008492 09:40:48.960 --> 09:40:51.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nakikita na natin lahat ng kinatatakutan asr-008493 09:40:51.840 --> 09:40:53.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga gumawa ng batas noong 1989. asr-008494 09:40:53.900 --> 09:40:54.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ngayon, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008495 09:40:54.700 --> 09:40:56.440 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na ang niyayari na ngayon. asr-008496 09:40:57.760 --> 09:40:59.080 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pinanghimasukan ng korte asr-008497 09:40:59.080 --> 09:41:01.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung tungkol sa sahod asr-008498 09:41:01.360 --> 09:41:04.660 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at ikalawa, nilalabag na mismo ng gobyerno asr-008499 09:41:04.660 --> 09:41:06.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung ano ang nakasulat sa batas asr-008500 09:41:06.600 --> 09:41:08.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na iginawad ng kongresong ito asr-008501 09:41:08.800 --> 09:41:12.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: papunta doon sa National Wages and Productivity Commission. asr-008502 09:41:12.840 --> 09:41:14.160 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And what we're going to hear asr-008503 09:41:14.160 --> 09:41:17.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: from Secretary Balisakan and Dep-Dev asr-008504 09:41:17.000 --> 09:41:19.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is that legislating a minimum wage asr-008505 09:41:19.900 --> 09:41:21.520 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is not the right thing to do. asr-008506 09:41:22.440 --> 09:41:23.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Is it still the position of the government? asr-008508 09:41:23.800 --> 09:41:24.400 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Is it still the position of Dep-Dev asr-008509 09:41:24.400 --> 09:41:28.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi po magkaroon ng legislated wage increase asr-008510 09:41:28.640 --> 09:41:33.720 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or any review on RA 6727 asr-008511 09:41:33.720 --> 09:41:38.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which determines and defines wage-setting mechanism? asr-008512 09:41:39.400 --> 09:41:40.580 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker. asr-008513 09:41:42.100 --> 09:41:45.240 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: The Chair would like to remind Representative San Fernando asr-008514 09:41:45.240 --> 09:41:46.240 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: that his time has expired. asr-008515 09:41:47.460 --> 09:41:50.220 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Please answer, Madam Sponsor. asr-008516 09:41:50.340 --> 09:41:51.420 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. asr-008517 09:41:51.420 --> 09:41:53.640 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: At least on the part of Dep-Dev, asr-008518 09:41:53.800 --> 09:41:57.500 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the Dep-Dev will just adhere to what the law says asr-008519 09:41:57.500 --> 09:42:00.820 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: with regards to wages asr-008520 09:42:00.820 --> 09:42:02.520 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and determination of wages. asr-008521 09:42:04.000 --> 09:42:06.200 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The Dep-Dev will just... asr-008522 09:42:06.200 --> 09:42:08.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Can you repeat that, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker? asr-008523 09:42:09.220 --> 09:42:12.400 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It would adhere to what the law prescribed asr-008524 09:42:12.400 --> 09:42:15.020 Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: with regards to determination of wages. asr-008525 09:42:15.460 --> 09:42:17.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008526 09:42:17.820 --> 09:42:20.160 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: as much as I would like to believe that, asr-008527 09:42:20.800 --> 09:42:23.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: alam niyo po, kanina ko pa po pinaulit-ulit, asr-008528 09:42:23.800 --> 09:42:26.500 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mga batas na po mismo na dapat nilang sundin, asr-008529 09:42:26.600 --> 09:42:27.420 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi nila ginagawa. asr-008530 09:42:28.700 --> 09:42:31.320 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mga batas na nakasulat sa ating... asr-008531 09:42:31.320 --> 09:42:33.900 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na iginawad sa kanila ng kongresyong ito, asr-008532 09:42:34.120 --> 09:42:35.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi nila ginagawa. asr-008533 09:42:35.480 --> 09:42:36.920 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Tapos sasabihin nila sa atin ngayon, asr-008534 09:42:37.040 --> 09:42:38.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, asr-008535 09:42:39.000 --> 09:42:41.180 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: gagalangin nila kung ano nakasulat sa batas. asr-008536 09:42:41.500 --> 09:42:43.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ano ba namang clashing Dep-Dev yan? asr-008537 09:42:43.500 --> 09:42:45.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008538 09:42:46.000 --> 09:42:47.660 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Thank you, Representative San Fernando. asr-008539 09:42:47.780 --> 09:42:50.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So alam ko po, time's up na po ako, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor. asr-008540 09:42:50.800 --> 09:42:51.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po. asr-008541 09:42:51.680 --> 09:42:53.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At least nabigyan po ng kalinawan, asr-008542 09:42:54.220 --> 09:42:55.460 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang representasyong ito, asr-008543 09:42:55.900 --> 09:42:58.860 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at sa lahat po ng mga manggagawang minimum wage earner asr-008544 09:42:58.860 --> 09:43:01.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa NCR at sa buong Pilipinas, asr-008545 09:43:01.580 --> 09:43:03.780 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ito po ang mga economic managers natin. asr-008546 09:43:04.080 --> 09:43:06.240 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Puro kalituhan ang ginagawa sa mga manggagawang. asr-008547 09:43:06.260 --> 09:43:06.940 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Majority Leader. asr-008548 09:43:07.160 --> 09:43:07.700 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Salamat po. asr-008549 09:43:09.900 --> 09:43:11.620 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Madam Speaker, may we recognize asr-008550 09:43:11.620 --> 09:43:13.680 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the Honorable Sarah Jane Elago asr-008551 09:43:13.680 --> 09:43:16.020 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: of the Gabriela Women's Party List asr-008552 09:43:16.020 --> 09:43:17.520 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: for her interpellation. asr-008553 09:43:18.040 --> 09:43:19.780 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Representative Sarah Jane Elago asr-008554 09:43:19.780 --> 09:43:20.920 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: of Gabriela Party List asr-008555 09:43:20.920 --> 09:43:23.040 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: is now recognized for her interpellation. asr-008556 09:43:23.800 --> 09:43:28.420 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maraming salamat, Madam Speaker. asr-008557 09:43:28.420 --> 09:43:31.060 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Isang ayon kay...