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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed. Majority Leader.

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, considering that copies of Journal No. 7 dated September 7 to 9, 2026 were already distributed to the members, I move to dispense with the reading thereof and subsequently to approve the said journal.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Is there an objection?

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The chair hears none. The motion is approved.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The reading of the said journal is dispensed with and journal number 7 dated September 7 to 9, 2026 is hereby approved.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader?

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, I move to take up additional reference of business and may I request the Secretary General be directed to read the titles of bills, resolutions on first reading, as well as communications and committee.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Is there an objection?

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The chair hears none.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Secretary General is directed to read the titles of bills and resolutions on first reading, as well as messages, communications, and committee reports for referral to the appropriate committees.

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Secretary-General: Additional reference of business.

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Secretary-General: Bills on first reading.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11243, further amending the Magna Carta for PWDs to provide for the lifetime validity of ID cards issued to persons with permanent disability.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Special Committee on Persons with Disabilities.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11244, instituting a comprehensive housing program for public school teachers.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Housing and Urban Development.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11245, prohibiting the pass-through and recovery of system loss charges from electricity consumers.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Energy.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11245, prohibiting the pass-through and recovery of system loss charges from electricity consumers.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11246, prohibiting threatening, harassing, coercive, and abusive debt collection practices by online lending applications, digital credit providers, financing companies, lending companies, and other similar entities.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Banks and Financial Intermediaries.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11247, providing incentives and financial assistance for the modernization of public utility jeepneys and tricycles,

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Secretary-General: ensuring the protection of drivers and small transport operators,

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Secretary-General: during the transition.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Transportation.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11248, strengthening the mental health services of SUCs.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Tianko.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Higher and Technical Education.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11249, reestablishing the Presidential Commission on Good Government,

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Secretary-General: creating the Anti-Corruption and Forfeiture Commission.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Tan Keith Maika.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Justice and the Committee on Government Reorganization,

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11250, further strengthening the Anti-Money-Laundering Council.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Tan Keith Maika.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Banks and Financial Intermediaries.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11251, establishing a DFA Passport Satellite Office in Lilawan, Cebu.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Prasco.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Foreign Affairs.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11252, establishing the Philippine Safe Sports Center,

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Secretary-General: institutionalizing a national airport,

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Secretary-General: and the Athlete Safeguarding System.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Youth and Sports Development.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11253, promoting urban flood resilience and rainwater harvesting

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Secretary-General: through the adoption of a National Urban Drainage and Runoff Management Code.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Public Works and Highways.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11254, declaring it a policy of the State to provide universal access

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Secretary-General: to reliable, affordable, and environmentally sustainable electricity.

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Secretary-General: Establishing a comprehensive program for the solar electrification of barangays that remain off-grid.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Energy.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11255, recognizing motorcycles as public utility vehicles.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Transportation.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11256, prohibiting the direct or indirect recovery from water consumers

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Secretary-General: of costs attributable to non-revenue water, requiring water service providers

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Secretary-General: to reduce and publicly disclose water losses.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Public Works and Highways.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11257, establishing the Overseas Filipino Workers Pension Fund

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Secretary-General: to provide pension to overseas Filipino workers.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Overseas Workers Affairs.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11258, strengthening government support for the digital transformation of MSMEs

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Secretary-General: through e-commerce and responsible use of AI.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Micro-Small and Medium Enterprise Development.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 11259, promoting the widespread use of solar power among Filipinos,

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Secretary-General: providing incentives for solar energy adoption, establishing the Solar Power Access Program.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Nazal.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Energy.

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Secretary-General: Resolution.

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Secretary-General: House Resolution 1442, congratulating and commending Lea Salonga for her historic achievement

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Secretary-General: as the first Filipina to receive a star on the Hollywood...

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Secretary-General: Walk of Fame, and recognizing her extraordinary contributions to the performing arts,

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Secretary-General: Filipino culture, and global entertainment.

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Secretary-General: For Representative Olivares.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Special Committee on Creative Industries.

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Secretary-General: Committee Reports.

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Secretary-General: Committee Report No. 639 and 640, submitted by the Committee on Legislative Franchises,

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Secretary-General: on House Bill No. 11310 and 11311.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: For the Committee on Rules.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader.

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker.

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: On the part of the majority, I move to nominate and elect

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committee on Appropriations as Vice Chairperson,

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Representative Carl Fernandez Legazpi.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: An objection? Hearing none, the motion is approved.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Honorable Carl Legazpi of Pinoy Workers Party

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: is hereby elected as Vice Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader.

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to suspend session for a few minutes.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session suspended.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader.

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, before we proceed with the sponsorship and plenary deliberations on House Bill No. 10858, I move to recognize the Hon. Perci Cendaña of Akbayan Partylist for a brief manifestation.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Hon. Perci Cendaña of Akbayan Partylist is hereby recognized for his manifestation.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Maraming salamat, Madam Speaker. Magandang hapon po sa ating mga kasamahan dito sa kapulongan ito at sa mga kababayan nating nanonood ngayon, lalong-lalo na ang mga miyembro ng Civil Society Organization.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Madam Speaker, my dear colleagues, this representation would like to raise an important concern from our Civil Society Organization.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Last year po, nagkaroon tayo ng guidelines on CSO participation. Ito po ang chinampion ng ating good chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Chair Mika Suansing. Hindi naman po ito bago. May ganito na rin pong effort noong 15 Congress in 2006.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: It seems that while we are driving towards the right direction, this year, parang biglang nag-U-turn po tayo.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Our CSOs are sharing their frustration about how they are being treated in the budget process for the 2027 General Appropriations Bill.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sa isang inquiry article,

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: nabanggit po ng mga CSO na sila daw ay na-seen zone, ni hindi nalaman that we adopted last year's guidelines until week 2 of our budget deliberations.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Tapos ngayon, parang naghahabol tayo to bring them and draw them in.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Kaya po ang tanong natin, Madam Speaker, my dear colleagues, aniyari?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Saan po tayo nagkaroon ng gap in terms of coordinating with our CSOs?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Wala na bang mas makabulang participation than their questions being read out?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Will CSOs be informed and involved at sa magiging amendments sa budget through the BAR-C?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: And most importantly, nagkaroon lang po ba ng guidelines on CSO participation last year dahil nabuking ang flood control projects?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sa totoo lamang po, Madam Speaker, napakahalagan na ang transparency in winning back the confidence of our people in the budget process in this House.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: What we began last year was a very significant and important step and we have to learn from that.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: And from the unfortunate experiences of our CSO representatives this year.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: We hope that it's not too late for the House leadership to take this matter seriously and act on it.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Hindi na pwedeng ipalusot lang sa kanila na we're still learning.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Pera ng taong bayan, sa bulsa ng mamamayang Pilipino galing, ang pinag-uusapan nating P7.2 trillion na ito.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sa dulo po, hayaan po natin ang meaningful participation ng civil society organizations to define the kind of budget,

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: that our country really needs.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Marami pong salamat, Madam Speaker.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader.

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, under the calendar of business for the day, I move to consider House Bill No. 10858 as contained in Committee Report No. 638,

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: submitted by the Committee on Appropriations, and for this purpose, may request the Secretary-General be directed to read the title of the measure.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: An objection?

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Hearing none, the Secretary-General is hereby

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: directed to read the title of House Bill No. 10858.

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Secretary-General: House Bill No. 10858, an Act Appropriating Funds for the Operation of the Government of the Republic of the Philippines from January 1 to December 31, 2027.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader.

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to open the period of sponsorship and debate on general principles and provisions.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: An objection?

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Hearing none, said motion is approved.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The period of sponsorship and debate on general principles is hereby opened.

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker.

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: I move to recognize the Chairperson

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of the Committee on Appropriations

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Representative

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of the 1st District of Nueva Ecija

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Any objection?

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Hearing none, the Honorable Swansing is hereby recognized

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleagues

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Esteemed Members of the

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Development Budget Coordination Committee

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or the DBCC

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Fellow Public Servants

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Partners from Civil Society Organizations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and to the Filipino public

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: closely watching today's deliberations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Magandang araw po sa ating lahat

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Today, we open

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the plenary deliberations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the Fiscal Year 2027

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: General Appropriations Bill

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The backbone of our fiscal policy

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the clearest mirror

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our government's priorities

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The Constitution entrusts

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Congress with the power of the purse

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: A solemn responsibility

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that demands integrity

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and vigilance

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The plenary deliberations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the General Appropriations Bill

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are among the greatest exercises

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our democracy

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The spirited debates

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that will result from these discussions

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: should ensure

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that the General Appropriations Act

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will represent the priorities

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and necessities of every Filipino

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: from every corner of our archipelago

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Our challenge

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is to ask the difficult questions

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: test every assumption

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and demand full justification

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for every line item on the budget

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to ensure that every peso

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is grounded in science

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: feasibility

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na ang bawat linya sa HGAB

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay may saysay

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tiyak na kapaki-pakinabang

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at direkta ang makakabuti

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa bawat pamilyang Pilipino

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We deliberate on the proposed

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the government of the Philippines

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the fiscal year 2027

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The DBCC has anchored

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: inflation within 4-5%

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Our goal

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that would accelerate growth

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: despite this challenging fiscal landscape

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which would give due consideration

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the pressing needs

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It is our objective

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: capacitating every Filipino

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with the goals

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the Philippine Development Plan

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2023 to 2028

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: People-Centered Growth

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for an Inclusive and Resilient Future

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Under the proposed fiscal year

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: education currently has an allocation

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of 1.326 trillion pesos

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: representing a strong commitment

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to invest in our next generation

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Health remains a central priority

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with a current allocation

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of 353.76 billion pesos

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: across the Department of Health

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Department of Social Welfare and Development

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of 241.56 billion pesos

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 276.57 billion pesos

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the welfare

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our beloved farmers

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The allocations for these

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will be subjected to further

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: rigorous scrutiny

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: over the course of the plenary deliberations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The final allocations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are truly reflective of

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and responsive to the needs

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our kababayan

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Bukod po dito

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: alinsunod sa panawagan

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating mga kababayan

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na mas maging bukas ang proseso

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng pagbuon ng budget

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: matagumpay pong sinimulan

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng inyong Kongreso noong nakaraang taon

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang mga mahalagang reforma

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We enacted a series

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of structural reforms

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that place transparency

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and accountability

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and public participation

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at the center of our budget process

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At ang ating mga magagandang na simulan

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong nakaraang taon

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ipinagpapatuloy po natin

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa pagbuon ng budget

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para sa taong 2027

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Having successfully abolished

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and constituting

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or BARC last year

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the BARC will once again

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deliberate on amendments

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the 2027 HGAB

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in a manner that is

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: open and transparent to the public

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The BARC will work

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: over the next few weeks

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in crafting refinements

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the General Appropriations Bill

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that will be put forth

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the consideration

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: before the House General Appropriations Bill

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This Congress

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: has continually engaged

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with civil society organizations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: over the course of these deliberations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and conducted

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the second People's Budget Review

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: before the start

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of these debates

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Moreover,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are happy to report that

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Civil Society Organization

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and People's Organization Corner

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is now live

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the House of Representatives

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: website

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and that is

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a portal through which

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our civil society organization partners

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: can access all pertinent documents

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for example

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the copy of the schedules

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the videos

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of committee and plenary

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as well as BARC deliberations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We want to engage

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: civil society organizations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meaningfully Madam Speaker

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and we are taking all

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the steps we could

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to make that happen

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Moreover,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are coordinating with our counterparts

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the Senate to open the

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Bicameral Conference Committee Proceedings

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the public for the second year

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in history

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Matibay po ang paninindigan

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng inyong Kongreso na

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tanggalin ang tabing

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa usaping budget

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at talagang ipakita kung

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: saan napupunta ang bawat piso

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng buwis na mula sa dugo

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at pawis ng bawat Pilipino.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished colleagues

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This budget

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: must be more than a spreadsheet of numbers

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It must be a

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: covenant of accountability

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This budget must embody

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our collective resolve

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to build a stronger and better

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: future for every Filipino

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This budget needs

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to hold a hope for a nation

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where no Filipino is left

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: behind

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I stand before this Chamber today

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at eight and a half months pregnant

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I do so

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the power of the purse

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is not a privilege we exercise

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: when convenient

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It is a constitutional duty

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we owe to the Filipino people

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in every season

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and under every circumstance

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Long after this plenary ends

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a generation of

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Filipinos will live

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with what we decide

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: inside this August Chamber

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Let them find

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that we decided well

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nawa'y matagpuan

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng susunod na salinlahi

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na tayo'y tumindig

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng tapat sa ating tungkulin.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I humbly sponsor

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the proposed General Appropriations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Bill for Fiscal Year

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 and respectfully

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: seek the support of our distinguished

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleagues in the House

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for its passage

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Together, let us ensure

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that this budget reflects

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the aspirations of our people

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and strengthens trust

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in our institutions

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa bawat proyekto,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang mamamayan ang dapat nasa sentro.

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01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:36,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa bawat alokasyon,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang kapakanan ng taong bayan

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang dapat maging pangunahing batayan.

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01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:42,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Maraming salamat po.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Para sa Diyos at bayan.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: I move to suspend session for a few minutes

435
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:52,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session suspended

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed

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01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:20,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: May we acknowledge the presence

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: from the Development Budget

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01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:28,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Coordination Committee

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01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:30,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: from the

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Department of Budget and Management

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01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:34,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Acting Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon

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01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:36,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary Janet B. Abuel

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mary Anne Z. Dela Vega

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:44,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Ryan S. Lita

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Goddes Hope O. Libiran

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Wilford Will L. Wong

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: From the Department of Economy, Planning and Development

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Rosemarie G. Edillon

458
01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:02,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Dennis S. Mapa

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01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:06,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

461
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:08,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Joseph J. Capuno

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

463
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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Melbourne Ziro D. Pana

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01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:14,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Glenda R. Rumohr

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: From the Department of Finance, Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: [unclear] S. Adriano

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary Rolando T. Ligon, Jr.

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Catherine L. Fong

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Maria Angela E. Ignacio

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:34,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Joven Z. Balbosa

475
01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:36,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Krystal Lyn T. Uy

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and OIC

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Under Secretary

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Niño Raymond B. Alvina

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: From the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Deputy Governor

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Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mamerto E. Tangonan

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: To the officials of the

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Department of Budget and Management

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: headed by our Acting Secretary

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Kim Robert C. De Leon

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: From the Department of Economy, Planning and Development

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: headed by the

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Honorable Secretary Arsenio Balisacan

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: From the Department of Finance

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01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:08,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: headed by

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01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:10,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Under Secretary

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Karlo Fermin Adriano

494
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:14,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: under the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas

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01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:16,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: represented by Deputy Governor

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Mamerto Tangonan

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01:14:18,500 --> 01:14:20,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: At sa lahat ng

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01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:22,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: kaakibat sa DBCC

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: family, maraming salamat

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01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:26,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: sa inyong presensya.

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01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:28,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Your tolerance,

502
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: patience, sacrifice

503
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:32,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: and hard work is truly

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: appreciated by the Filipino people.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Welcome to the House

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: of the People.

507
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:40,500
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader

508
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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, I move to recognize

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Chairwoman

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Mika Suansing

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Chairperson of the Committee of

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Appropriations to answer questions

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: on General Principles and

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Provisions.

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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Honorable

516
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Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Mika Suansing is recognized.

517
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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker,

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: I move to recognize

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: our first interpellator,

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01:15:02,060 --> 01:15:03,840
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Minority Leader Marcelino

521
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:04,900
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: C. Libanan.

522
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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Sorry, ma'am, I withdraw my motion.

523
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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Ma'am, Madam Speaker,

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01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:11,820
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: I move to suspend session for a few minutes.

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01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:12,540
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session suspended.

526
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:08,420
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed.

527
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:10,620
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader.

528
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:13,000
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, I move to recognize

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Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Minority Leader, the Honorable

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01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,400
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Marcelino C. Libanan

531
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,660
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: from the 4Ps Party-list to interpellate

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01:17:18,660 --> 01:17:19,220
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: the sponsor.

533
01:17:20,460 --> 01:17:22,720
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The brilliant legislator

534
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,640
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: from the province of Samar,

535
01:17:25,340 --> 01:17:26,920
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: the Honorable Minority Leader

536
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,640
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: representing 4Ps

537
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:29,340
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Party-list,

538
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,400
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Nonoy Libanan is hereby recognized

539
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:32,440
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: for his interpellation.

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01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,400
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

541
01:17:38,140 --> 01:17:39,620
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: And good afternoon

542
01:17:39,620 --> 01:17:41,380
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: to our sponsor,

543
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:43,260
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Honorable

544
01:17:43,260 --> 01:17:44,860
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Suansing and

545
01:17:44,860 --> 01:17:47,060
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the DBCC family.

546
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:49,460
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

547
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:51,460
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: before we discuss

548
01:17:51,460 --> 01:17:52,840
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: individual departments,

549
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,380
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: may I begin with the principles

550
01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:57,260
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that should govern

551
01:17:57,260 --> 01:17:59,280
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: this entire bill.

552
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,160
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: A national budget

553
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,560
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is more than a table

554
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,200
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: of appropriations.

555
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:07,740
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: It tells us what government

556
01:18:07,740 --> 01:18:09,240
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: considers important,

557
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:11,520
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: who bears the burden

558
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,660
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: when fiscal space

559
01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:16,040
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is tight, where development

560
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,960
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: will occur, and what

561
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:19,980
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: safeguards Congress

562
01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:21,980
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: places around the people's

563
01:18:21,980 --> 01:18:22,280
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: money.

564
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:25,720
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: There are provisions in this bill

565
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,280
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that deserve recognition.

566
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:29,920
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: The significance

567
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,440
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: reduction in unprogrammed

568
01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:34,020
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: appropriations is one.

569
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,420
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Greater transparency

570
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:37,980
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: in those budget processes

571
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:38,960
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is another.

572
01:18:40,300 --> 01:18:41,240
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: But precisely

573
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,180
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: because Congress has improved

574
01:18:44,180 --> 01:18:44,860
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the process,

575
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,080
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: we should now ask the harder questions

576
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,960
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: about the substance.

577
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:51,860
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: How much of this

578
01:18:51,860 --> 01:18:53,680
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: 7.2 trillion

579
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,180
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: do we actually control?

580
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:58,420
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Are appropriations

581
01:18:58,420 --> 01:18:59,720
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: specific enough?

582
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:01,420
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: For Congress to know

583
01:19:01,420 --> 01:19:03,580
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: where the money will go?

584
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,400
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Do the special provisions

585
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,540
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: preserve congressional intent?

586
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:12,560
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Are constitutional

587
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,700
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: priorities protected?

588
01:19:15,860 --> 01:19:16,840
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Is spending

589
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,400
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: geographically fair?

590
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,060
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: And what

591
01:19:21,060 --> 01:19:22,440
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: measurable results

592
01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:24,220
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: should the people expect

593
01:19:24,220 --> 01:19:25,100
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: in return?

594
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,280
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Those are the principles

595
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:29,840
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: by which the minority

596
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,840
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: proposes to examine this bill.

597
01:19:32,780 --> 01:19:34,740
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: The General Appropriations Act

598
01:19:34,740 --> 01:19:36,340
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is not merely

599
01:19:36,340 --> 01:19:37,800
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: a schedule of amounts.

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01:19:38,860 --> 01:19:40,460
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: It is the principal

601
01:19:40,460 --> 01:19:42,400
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: instrument through which Congress

602
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:43,960
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: determines priorities,

603
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,220
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: imposes conditions

604
01:19:46,220 --> 01:19:47,320
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: on expenditure,

605
01:19:48,580 --> 01:19:50,160
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: safeguards public money,

606
01:19:50,940 --> 01:19:51,660
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and holds

607
01:19:51,660 --> 01:19:54,440
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: executive accountable

608
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:55,980
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for results.

609
01:19:58,200 --> 01:19:59,380
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Sponsor,

610
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,780
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

611
01:20:01,780 --> 01:20:03,620
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: would you agree

612
01:20:03,620 --> 01:20:07,360
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that Congress is not entirely free

613
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,560
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: to rank all expenditures equally

614
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,460
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: because the Constitution itself

615
01:20:12,460 --> 01:20:15,100
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: establishes certain priorities,

616
01:20:15,860 --> 01:20:17,380
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: most expressly

617
01:20:17,380 --> 01:20:19,880
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the command to assign

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the highest budgetary priority

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: to education?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, yes. Um,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: however, in that particular instance,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it is actually for the benefit

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of our countrymen that such

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: provision which states that education

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: has to be the highest budgetary

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocation,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it's actually beneficial to our countrymen.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Then, Madam Speaker,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: when Congress

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: evaluates this bill, shouldn't we look

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: not merely on whether education

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: receives the largest

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: nominal amount, but whether

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: our overall fiscal choices

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: preserve constitutional priorities

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: given to education

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: despite

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: rising automatic obligation?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yes, I agree with

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our distinguished colleague.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, when we look at the budget

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and we determine

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the allocations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the different agencies,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we look at it at a holistic level.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But, yes, I agree, Madam Speaker.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: I raised this question because

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: comparison between

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the interest payment

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and the budget

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for DepEd

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is 1.114 trillion

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for interest payments

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: 976 billion

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for the Department

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: of Education.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: would the sponsor

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: agree?

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: That, as a general rule,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Congress should prepare

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: specific itemized appropriations

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: over broad lump sums

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: whenever the expenditure

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: can reasonably be identified

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: in advance?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague, I agree.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Where possible, we would prefer

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: specific line items over lump sum amounts.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you, Madam Speaker,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for that answer.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: But, Madam Speaker,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: there are items

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: which we cannot really calculate.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Example, calamities.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: We shall have

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: leeway for that.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: It cannot be predicted.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: But roads, bridges,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: buildings, and other

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: identified infrastructure

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: normally can be.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Can the sponsor

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: therefore assure the House

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that broad lump sums

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: have not simply been

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: migrated from

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: unprogrammed appropriations

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: into programmed appropriations

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: or special provision?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished colleague,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with regard to that particular instance,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in response to the calamities,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we do have

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the NDRRMF, which at the moment has an allocation of 45.67 billion. While that is a lump sum amount, we do have within it QRF allocations for the different agencies.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In that case, given that it needs to be flexible to be able to respond to whichever agencies, calamities, or activities would need to be funded at a particular time, for this particular instance, a lump sum amount is actually preferable for the NDRRMF.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you for that, Madam Speaker.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Because our country is most often visited by typhoons and catastrophes.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Would the sponsor agree that a special provision should implement an appropriation approved by Congress and should not effectively create a new spending authority that is broader than the appropriation itself?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, a special provision sets the condition by which an appropriation can be disbursed.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, a special provision emanates from the appropriation itself.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in theory, technically speaking, a special provision would not supersede a particular appropriation.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And this conforms to our Constitution and applicable law.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Yes, Madam Speaker.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Then, can the sponsor assure this Chamber that there is no provision in this bill that allows funds appropriated for one clearly defined purpose to be redirected to an unrelated purpose without returning to Congress?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, in general, that is the case.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, there is a general provision within the

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: General Appropriations Bill which allows for the declaration and use of savings, which is guided by Supreme Court jurisprudence.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But generally, aside from that particular case, generally, whichever intended use is there when the GAA was approved should be eventually the use for a particular fund.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, we can also probably revisit on augmentation, on fund transfers, on GOCC remittances, foreign assisted fund projects, lump sum infrastructure,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: LGU support funds, and release of unprogrammed appropriations.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my apologies.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May I clarify if there is a question from the Honorable Minority Leader, or is it more of an example of the different kinds of funds?

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: It's just to revisit like your assurance that the Madam Sponsor gave us about the use of savings.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Perhaps we can revisit the appropriate

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: laws on this so that, if possible, we go back to Congress for appropriation.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, after consultation with DBM, for those particular items, generally it is governed by the general provision on the Declaration and Use of Savings.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, upon conferring with the DBM, what they can assure is that they will make sure that they will strictly adhere to whichever conditions are there that is set forth in the general provision for the use of savings.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there will, because that particular general provision is also authorized by Congress, but what they can assure, what the DBM can assure is that those funds will not be reallocated.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: They will not be reallocated or augmented without adherence to the particular conditions set forth in the general provision.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you for that assurance, Madam Speaker.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, of the 7.2 trillion before us, how much is truly discretionary and how much is already committed by automatic appropriations, statutory transfers?

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: personal obligations, and debt service.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of the split for the 7.2 trillion pesos,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 4.494 trillion is under programmed appropriations

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and 2.706 trillion is under automatic appropriations.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So on the part of Congress,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the General Appropriations Bill,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are unable to touch the automatic appropriations.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we are looking at the 4.494 trillion pesos

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under programmed appropriations.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: That's why this question, Madam Speaker,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: because we are only appropriating 4.9 trillion

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: in comparison to the 7.2 trillion

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: we are releasing in our headlines, Madam Speaker.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: So it's only 4.9 trillion.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: would the sponsor agree

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that an appropriation

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is not merely an accomplishment?

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: That the proper measure

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is whether the money is obligated,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: disbursed,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and produces the promised physical

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: or social result?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I agree, Madam Speaker.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I agree completely

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with our Honorable Minority Leader.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The gauge really is the impact

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of these items.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: What would be the benefit

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that these allocations would give

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to our countrymen?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: They are not simply

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: numbers on a page.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: I would like to emphasize this,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that this is only the beginning,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: but the more important

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: benefit of appropriation

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: is implementation.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Implementation of this

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: appropriated fund.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: So that this will redound

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: really to the benefit

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: of our people.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Then should agencies receiving major increases be required to show their obligation, disbursement, and physical accomplishment rates before Congress increases their budget?

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished colleague, yes, that is the case.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There is also an assessment

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the utilization rate, especially

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for agencies that receive high

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocations.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker, we shall see to it

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that if there is

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: low utilization,

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01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,280
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: we shall not be increasing

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: their budget, Madam Speaker.

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: And like the

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: 2027 budget,

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01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,040
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: we did not allow them to

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: increase their budget because of

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01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,160
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: low utilization

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01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,260
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: rate. Madam

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Speaker, would the sponsor

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01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:08,480
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: agree that the national budget

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: financed by all Filipinos

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01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,180
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: should reasonably

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: distribute development

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01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,480
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: opportunities throughout the country?

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01:33:17,380 --> 01:33:18,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

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01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:22,120
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

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01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:23,600
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: I agree.

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01:33:23,780 --> 01:33:25,760
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: That equality

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01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:27,540
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: does not mean

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01:33:27,540 --> 01:33:29,240
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: identical amounts.

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01:33:30,100 --> 01:33:31,640
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: We cannot talk of identical amounts,

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01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:33,580
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: but should the criteria

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01:33:33,580 --> 01:33:35,280
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: not include poverty,

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01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:37,400
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: infrastructure deficits,

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01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:39,320
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: geographic isolation,

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01:33:40,220 --> 01:33:42,160
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and disaster exposure,

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01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:44,060
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: not merely on

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01:33:44,060 --> 01:33:46,200
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: existing economic activity

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Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: and project

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01:33:47,780 --> 01:33:49,780
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: readiness. Would you agree,

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01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:51,700
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker?

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01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:53,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, there should be different

819
01:33:53,780 --> 01:33:55,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: parameters for determining the

820
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocations of different

821
01:33:57,780 --> 01:33:59,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: regions or different geographic locations.

822
01:34:01,580 --> 01:34:02,800
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

823
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:04,640
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Sponsor,

824
01:34:05,980 --> 01:34:07,600
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: if we strip away the individual

825
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:08,860
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: agencies for a moment,

826
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:11,620
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: how would you describe

827
01:34:11,620 --> 01:34:13,900
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: the fiscal strategy of this bill?

828
01:34:14,940 --> 01:34:15,400
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Is it

829
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,760
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: principally a revenue expansion

830
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:19,620
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: budget, a borrowing

831
01:34:19,620 --> 01:34:21,540
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: budget, or an

832
01:34:21,540 --> 01:34:23,460
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: expenditure compression budget?

833
01:34:53,780 --> 01:34:55,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague,

834
01:34:55,780 --> 01:34:57,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this budget is a product

835
01:34:57,780 --> 01:34:59,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of two things.

836
01:34:59,780 --> 01:35:01,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: First, it is a product of the fiscal

837
01:35:01,780 --> 01:35:03,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: consolidation strategy wherein

838
01:35:03,780 --> 01:35:05,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the particular expenditures are

839
01:35:05,780 --> 01:35:07,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: determined to reduce the

840
01:35:07,780 --> 01:35:09,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deficit, but also by

841
01:35:09,780 --> 01:35:11,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: choosing the quality

842
01:35:11,780 --> 01:35:13,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the spending, we are also hoping

843
01:35:13,780 --> 01:35:15,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that this budget would be

844
01:35:15,780 --> 01:35:17,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a recovery budget.

845
01:35:17,780 --> 01:35:19,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It would help the country go

846
01:35:19,780 --> 01:35:21,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: back towards the targets,

847
01:35:21,780 --> 01:35:23,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the macroeconomic targets,

848
01:35:23,780 --> 01:35:25,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that inevitably

849
01:35:25,780 --> 01:35:27,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: needed to be

850
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:29,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: lowered as a result of

851
01:35:29,780 --> 01:35:31,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: external factors,

852
01:35:31,780 --> 01:35:33,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: external shocks, geopolitical

853
01:35:33,780 --> 01:35:35,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: conflicts, and other

854
01:35:35,780 --> 01:35:37,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: items that affected

855
01:35:37,780 --> 01:35:39,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the global trade market.

856
01:35:39,780 --> 01:35:41,780
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Madam Speaker,

857
01:35:41,780 --> 01:35:43,780
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: that would be all

858
01:35:43,780 --> 01:35:45,780
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: for my interpellation.

859
01:35:45,780 --> 01:35:47,780
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you, distinguished Sponsor.

860
01:35:47,780 --> 01:35:49,780
Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

861
01:35:49,780 --> 01:35:51,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker,

862
01:35:51,780 --> 01:35:53,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and thank you very much to the Honorable

863
01:35:53,780 --> 01:35:55,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Minority Leader.

864
01:35:55,780 --> 01:35:57,780
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Majority Leader.

865
01:35:57,780 --> 01:35:59,780
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Mr. Speaker, I move that we

866
01:35:59,780 --> 01:36:01,780
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: recognize the Honorable Edgar R.

867
01:36:01,780 --> 01:36:03,780
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Erice from the 2nd District of

868
01:36:03,780 --> 01:36:05,780
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Caloocan to interpolate

869
01:36:05,780 --> 01:36:07,780
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: the sponsor.

870
01:36:09,780 --> 01:36:11,780
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Honorable Edgar Erice of the 2nd

871
01:36:11,780 --> 01:36:13,780
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: District of Caloocan City,

872
01:36:13,780 --> 01:36:15,780
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: a very good friend of

873
01:36:15,780 --> 01:36:17,780
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: ours,

874
01:36:17,780 --> 01:36:19,780
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: is hereby recognized for his

875
01:36:19,780 --> 01:36:21,780
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: interpolation.

876
01:36:23,780 --> 01:36:25,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.

877
01:36:25,780 --> 01:36:27,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: To the Chairman of the

878
01:36:27,780 --> 01:36:29,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Committee on Appropriation,

879
01:36:29,780 --> 01:36:31,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: may I ask

880
01:36:31,780 --> 01:36:33,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: a few questions?

881
01:36:33,780 --> 01:36:35,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. It would be my honor

882
01:36:35,780 --> 01:36:37,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to field questions

883
01:36:37,780 --> 01:36:39,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: from the Honorable Edgar Erice.

884
01:36:39,780 --> 01:36:41,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you, ma'am. Madam Speaker,

885
01:36:41,780 --> 01:36:43,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Madam Chair,

886
01:36:43,780 --> 01:36:45,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba

887
01:36:45,780 --> 01:36:47,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na ang layunin ng

888
01:36:47,780 --> 01:36:49,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: P7.2 trilyong panukalang budget

889
01:36:49,780 --> 01:36:51,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ay hindi lamang pataasin

890
01:36:51,780 --> 01:36:53,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang government spending,

891
01:36:53,780 --> 01:36:55,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kundi tiyakin ang quality spending,

892
01:36:55,780 --> 01:36:57,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: paggastang na

893
01:36:57,780 --> 01:36:59,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: magpapalago sa ekonomiya

894
01:36:59,780 --> 01:37:01,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at direktang magpapabuti

895
01:37:01,780 --> 01:37:03,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: sa buhay ng mga mamamayan?

896
01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:05,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, Madam Speaker.

897
01:37:05,780 --> 01:37:07,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung gano'n, maaari po bang

898
01:37:07,780 --> 01:37:09,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: tukuyin kung magkano sa

899
01:37:09,780 --> 01:37:11,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: P7.2 trillion ang tunay na

900
01:37:11,780 --> 01:37:13,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: nakalaan sa mga

901
01:37:13,780 --> 01:37:15,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: bagong development programs

902
01:37:15,780 --> 01:37:17,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: or capital outlay,

903
01:37:17,780 --> 01:37:19,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at magkano ang

904
01:37:19,780 --> 01:37:21,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: nakatali na sa government

905
01:37:21,780 --> 01:37:23,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: operations, sweldo,

906
01:37:23,780 --> 01:37:25,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: interest, amortization

907
01:37:25,780 --> 01:37:27,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at iba pang mandatory expenditures?

908
01:37:27,780 --> 01:37:29,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi sapat na sabihing

909
01:37:29,780 --> 01:37:31,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: inclusive at

910
01:37:31,780 --> 01:37:33,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: development-oriented ang budget.

911
01:37:33,780 --> 01:37:35,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kailangan po malaman natin

912
01:37:35,780 --> 01:37:37,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang eksaktong halaga

913
01:37:37,780 --> 01:37:39,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at porsyento ng pondong

914
01:37:39,780 --> 01:37:41,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: lilikha ng bagong trabaho,

915
01:37:41,780 --> 01:37:43,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: [unclear], ospital,

916
01:37:43,780 --> 01:37:45,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: irigasyon, pabahay at

917
01:37:45,780 --> 01:37:47,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: transport infrastructure.

918
01:37:47,780 --> 01:37:49,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba na

919
01:37:49,780 --> 01:37:51,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: malaking bahagi ng budget

920
01:37:51,780 --> 01:37:53,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang nakalaan sa government operations,

921
01:37:53,780 --> 01:37:55,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: personal services, interest payments

922
01:37:55,780 --> 01:37:57,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: at iba pang mandatory obligation?

923
01:38:01,780 --> 01:38:03,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, I will answer

924
01:38:03,780 --> 01:38:05,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: based on the different

925
01:38:05,780 --> 01:38:07,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: categories as highlighted by

926
01:38:07,780 --> 01:38:09,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Honorable Irise.

927
01:38:09,780 --> 01:38:11,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of the breakdown

928
01:38:11,780 --> 01:38:13,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the 7.2 trillion

929
01:38:13,780 --> 01:38:15,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pesos

930
01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:17,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by general expense class,

931
01:38:17,780 --> 01:38:19,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: out of the 7.2 trillion,

932
01:38:19,780 --> 01:38:21,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.98

933
01:38:21,780 --> 01:38:23,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion will go to

934
01:38:23,780 --> 01:38:25,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: personal services,

935
01:38:25,780 --> 01:38:27,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2.944

936
01:38:27,780 --> 01:38:29,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion will go to

937
01:38:29,780 --> 01:38:31,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: MOUE,

938
01:38:31,780 --> 01:38:33,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.114 trillion

939
01:38:33,780 --> 01:38:35,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will go to financial

940
01:38:35,780 --> 01:38:37,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: expenses, and

941
01:38:37,780 --> 01:38:39,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.159 trillion

942
01:38:39,780 --> 01:38:41,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will go to capital outlays.

943
01:38:41,780 --> 01:38:43,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of the

944
01:38:43,780 --> 01:38:45,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: debt burden

945
01:38:45,780 --> 01:38:47,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the interest expense payment,

946
01:38:47,780 --> 01:38:49,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that would be

947
01:38:49,780 --> 01:38:51,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.8

948
01:38:51,780 --> 01:38:53,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion,

949
01:38:53,780 --> 01:38:55,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.14 trillion pesos

950
01:38:55,780 --> 01:38:57,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: out of the 7.2 trillion

951
01:38:57,780 --> 01:38:59,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pesos budget, Madam Speaker.

952
01:38:59,780 --> 01:39:01,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 15.5 percent

953
01:39:01,780 --> 01:39:03,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the debt payment.

954
01:39:03,780 --> 01:39:05,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: That's correct, Madam Speaker.

955
01:39:05,780 --> 01:39:07,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: And for the capital

956
01:39:07,780 --> 01:39:09,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: and developmental projects,

957
01:39:09,780 --> 01:39:11,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: it's only 16 percent.

958
01:39:11,780 --> 01:39:13,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: That's correct, Madam Speaker.

959
01:39:13,780 --> 01:39:15,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: And this is the lowest

960
01:39:15,780 --> 01:39:17,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: fiscal space

961
01:39:17,780 --> 01:39:19,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: in recent years.

962
01:39:19,780 --> 01:39:21,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Is that correct?

963
01:39:21,780 --> 01:39:23,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: I remember that in

964
01:39:23,780 --> 01:39:25,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2024,

965
01:39:25,780 --> 01:39:27,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the fiscal space

966
01:39:27,780 --> 01:39:29,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: was 20 percent higher.

967
01:39:29,780 --> 01:39:31,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Last year, it was 19 percent.

968
01:39:31,780 --> 01:39:33,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Now, it's 16 percent.

969
01:39:33,780 --> 01:39:35,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Is that correct?

970
01:39:51,780 --> 01:39:55,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That's correct.

971
01:39:55,780 --> 01:39:57,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

972
01:39:57,780 --> 01:39:59,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung ikukumpara po natin

973
01:39:59,780 --> 01:40:01,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa fiscal year

974
01:40:01,780 --> 01:40:03,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2026 GAA,

975
01:40:03,780 --> 01:40:05,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: last year po,

976
01:40:05,780 --> 01:40:07,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang capital outlays po

977
01:40:07,780 --> 01:40:09,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nag-a-amount sa 15% po,

978
01:40:09,780 --> 01:40:11,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kumpara sa kasalukuyan po

979
01:40:11,780 --> 01:40:13,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa 2027 NEP

980
01:40:13,780 --> 01:40:15,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na

981
01:40:15,780 --> 01:40:17,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 16.1% po.

982
01:40:17,780 --> 01:40:19,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually po,

983
01:40:19,780 --> 01:40:21,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung atin pong hihimayin

984
01:40:21,780 --> 01:40:23,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa loob po ng MOOE,

985
01:40:23,780 --> 01:40:25,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meron din pong capital outlay component

986
01:40:25,780 --> 01:40:27,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: doon sapagkat

987
01:40:27,780 --> 01:40:29,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung national tax allotment po

988
01:40:29,780 --> 01:40:31,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nakapaloob sa MOOE.

989
01:40:31,780 --> 01:40:33,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So yung mga nangyayari pong

990
01:40:33,780 --> 01:40:35,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: capital outlay ng iba't ibang LGUs

991
01:40:35,780 --> 01:40:37,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nandoon po sa MOOE.

992
01:40:37,780 --> 01:40:39,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero kung ikukumpara po natin,

993
01:40:39,780 --> 01:40:41,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 15% po ang capital outlay

994
01:40:41,780 --> 01:40:43,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa 2026 GAA,

995
01:40:43,780 --> 01:40:45,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at 16.1% po sa 2027.

996
01:40:45,780 --> 01:40:47,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang ibig ko pong sabihin ay

997
01:40:47,780 --> 01:40:49,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung capital outlay

998
01:40:49,780 --> 01:40:51,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na pamumunuan ng national government

999
01:40:51,780 --> 01:40:53,900
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ay 16% lang po.

1000
01:40:54,740 --> 01:40:56,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 16.1% po

1001
01:40:56,620 --> 01:40:59,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pag national government po.

1002
01:40:59,540 --> 01:41:00,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po yun.

1003
01:41:00,780 --> 01:41:02,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At kasama na roon,

1004
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 16% yung

1005
01:41:04,700 --> 01:41:06,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa mga local government.

1006
01:41:06,860 --> 01:41:07,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May NTA

1007
01:41:08,060 --> 01:41:09,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on top pa po yun,

1008
01:41:09,460 --> 01:41:10,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kasi po yung

1009
01:41:10,860 --> 01:41:13,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: capital component outlay

1010
01:41:13,260 --> 01:41:15,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga LGUs po

1011
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nakapaloob sa national tax allotment

1012
01:41:17,620 --> 01:41:20,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at yun po ay nakapailalim sa MOOE.

1013
01:41:20,500 --> 01:41:22,000
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa akin pong datos,

1014
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,000
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: nung nakaraang taon,

1015
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,500
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 19% ang [unclear].

1016
01:41:24,500 --> 01:41:25,500
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Mali po ba yun?

1017
01:41:27,780 --> 01:41:29,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Posible po sigurong

1018
01:41:29,780 --> 01:41:31,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 19% kung isasama po natin

1019
01:41:31,780 --> 01:41:33,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung sa local government unit

1020
01:41:33,780 --> 01:41:35,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa loob ng NTA.

1021
01:41:35,780 --> 01:41:37,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero kung pagbabasihan lang po natin

1022
01:41:37,780 --> 01:41:39,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay yung sa national government,

1023
01:41:39,780 --> 01:41:41,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 15% lamang po

1024
01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:43,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong 2026.

1025
01:41:43,780 --> 01:41:45,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: What is the exact

1026
01:41:45,780 --> 01:41:47,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: definition of DBM,

1027
01:41:47,780 --> 01:41:49,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: or capital outlay?

1028
01:41:49,780 --> 01:41:51,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Are these just capital outlays

1029
01:41:51,780 --> 01:41:53,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: or are the subsidies included?

1030
01:41:53,780 --> 01:41:55,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Transfers,

1031
01:41:55,780 --> 01:41:57,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ayuda, financial assistance,

1032
01:41:57,780 --> 01:41:59,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: and discretionary funds?

1033
01:42:07,780 --> 01:42:09,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

1034
01:42:09,780 --> 01:42:11,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa definition po natin ng

1035
01:42:11,780 --> 01:42:13,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: capital outlays,

1036
01:42:13,780 --> 01:42:15,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang nakapaloob po dito ay

1037
01:42:15,780 --> 01:42:17,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga

1038
01:42:17,780 --> 01:42:19,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um,

1039
01:42:19,780 --> 01:42:21,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually wala

1040
01:42:21,780 --> 01:42:23,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: [unclear]

1041
01:42:31,780 --> 01:42:33,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ongoing banner

1042
01:42:33,780 --> 01:42:35,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: infrastructure projects sa ilalim

1043
01:42:35,780 --> 01:42:37,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po ng Build Better More

1044
01:42:37,780 --> 01:42:39,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: program.

1045
01:42:39,780 --> 01:42:41,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Nasama po ba dito

1046
01:42:41,780 --> 01:42:43,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung pondo

1047
01:42:43,780 --> 01:42:49,000
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na inilalaan para sa LGSF o Local Government Support Fund?

1048
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:54,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, hindi po sapagkat ang LGSF po ay nakapaloob sa MOOE.

1049
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Wala po siya sa capital outlay.

1050
01:43:02,860 --> 01:43:06,220
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ba ay regular na government operations?

1051
01:43:06,220 --> 01:43:15,060
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Local Government Support Fund po ba ay regular government operations at nakalagay sa MOOE?

1052
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:21,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sapagkat po nakapaloob siya doon sa kategorya ng fund transfer.

1053
01:43:21,900 --> 01:43:28,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po yung tag po doon is financial talgo, financial assistance to local government units.

1054
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:34,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya po kahit po posible na i-disperse po iyon ng mga local government units

1055
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:43,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as infrastructure projects dahil po doon sa technicality na yung accounting treatment po ng fund transfers

1056
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na lalagay po siya sa ilalim ng MOOE.

1057
01:43:45,700 --> 01:43:53,320
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Maari po ba magbigay ang DBM ng COPIA kung anong mga bagong capital projects,

1058
01:43:53,460 --> 01:44:00,620
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ongoing capital projects at malahat ng mga programa nakapaloob doon sa capital outlay na 16%.

1059
01:44:00,620 --> 01:44:03,120
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Can you readily do that?

1060
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:10,260
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Siguro naman may data kayo nga.

1061
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:16,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. Ibibigay po ng DBM across all agencies po kasi yun.

1062
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero pwede po sila magbigay ng consolidated.

1063
01:44:19,340 --> 01:44:23,380
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yes. Opo. Para pag tatanong ko mamaya sa DBM eh, pwede kong maging basapatayan.

1064
01:44:23,940 --> 01:44:24,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Apo.

1065
01:44:25,980 --> 01:44:28,280
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pagdating po sa LGSF.

1066
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:32,920
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung 2026 po, 57 billion.

1067
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:40,220
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2027 po ay 58 billion.

1068
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:48,840
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ay sole discretionary fund ng presidente.

1069
01:44:50,540 --> 01:44:56,500
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Wala pong makakapag-disperse nito o makakapag-decision dito kundi ang ating pangulo.

1070
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,460
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito ba'y isang presidential pork barrel?

1071
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, ang paggagawad po ng LGSF ay nakabase po doon sa pag-request ng mga local government units

1072
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:18,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at yung binabantayan po na kriteriya sa pagdesisyon kung sino po yung gagawalan

1073
01:45:18,580 --> 01:45:22,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay nakabase po doon sa special provision patungkol sa LGSF

1074
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:26,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na nandun din po, nakapaloob din po sa General Appropriations Bill.

1075
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:32,360
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Madam Chair, andito po sa akin ngayon yung mga parameters sa pagbibigay.

1076
01:45:32,460 --> 01:45:36,160
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Halos lahat pwede. Halos lahat pwede.

1077
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:40,420
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Basta disisyonan ng Presidente, bibigay ko yan sa Naga, 500 million.

1078
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Okay yan. Wala ng parameter.

1079
01:45:45,500 --> 01:45:52,040
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung kailan, kung saan, kung paano, kung sino, discretion ng Presidente. Tama ba?

1080
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Okay.

1081
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:35,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, yung determination po ng evaluation ng mga request ng mga local government units

1082
01:46:35,340 --> 01:46:37,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sits solely with the DBM po.

1083
01:46:38,180 --> 01:46:46,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi na po kailangan magsabi po o umabot po sa Presidente upang magdesisyon po kung sino po yung gagawaran.

1084
01:46:46,540 --> 01:46:50,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nakabase po doon sa parameters sa special provision. May menu po kasi doon.

1085
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:56,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero ang sinasabi po sa atin ng DBM, up to the discretion of Congress po,

1086
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung ano po yung gusto natin ipaloob doon po sa special provision,

1087
01:47:00,020 --> 01:47:07,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung meron po tayong mga karagdagang parameters o karagdagang menu na nais pong ilagay doon po sa special provision sa LGSF.

1088
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:11,340
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig pong sabihin, may legislative power na ngayon ang DBM.

1089
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:17,100
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Dahil sila na magdedetermine. Sila na magbibigay ng parameters.

1090
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:21,440
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sila na magdedetermine kung magkano ibibigay, kung kanino ibibigay.

1091
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:25,740
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kahit na, halimbawa, bibigyan ko ng, tatanungin ko po ang DBM ngayon.

1092
01:47:25,740 --> 01:47:26,540
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Nandito na sila.

1093
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:29,180
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bakit nagbigay ng 500 million sa Naga?

1094
01:47:29,660 --> 01:47:35,280
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Second to the richest city ang Naga sa Bicol.

1095
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:41,840
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung city ni Congresswoman Representative Criselle Lagman, mas mahirap.

1096
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,160
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung pong Masbate sa Bicol, napaka mahirap.

1097
01:47:45,500 --> 01:47:47,900
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung pong Iriga City, napaka hirap.

1098
01:47:48,060 --> 01:47:53,220
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano kung naging batayan, bakit magbibigay ng basketball court?

1099
01:47:53,220 --> 01:47:55,160
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po pala. Stayed yung sa Naga.

1100
01:47:55,740 --> 01:47:56,680
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano pong parameters?

1101
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:01,120
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung ba ang priority para o yung mga mahihirap ng mga local government?

1102
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:09,220
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: O pinupulitika lang ito ni Presidente dahil gusto niyang maging kakampi si Mayor Lenny Robredo?

1103
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:11,020
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ba batayan ng pagbabadget?

1104
01:48:11,020 --> 01:48:24,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, most definitely po wala pong legislative power na ine-exercise ang DBM.

1105
01:48:25,740 --> 01:48:34,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Batay lang po yung kanilang kriteriya doon po sa special provision na nakapaloob sa ating General Appropriations Act na ino-authorize po ng Kongreso.

1106
01:48:35,140 --> 01:48:50,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nandito po, ibinigay po, nandito po sa atin yung menu ng LGSF at meron din po kami kinukuha lang po na yun po yung memorandum circular para po doon sa kriteriya na kanilang sinusunod.

1107
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:54,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero definitely po within the parameters set forth by Congress.

1108
01:48:54,140 --> 01:49:01,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung kanilang pamantayan para po sa pag-disperse, pag-evaluate ng LGSF projects.

1109
01:49:01,820 --> 01:49:05,000
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ang mga components.

1110
01:49:05,380 --> 01:49:11,520
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Financial assistance to LGUs for agriculture related programs, agri-support, farm produce.

1111
01:49:12,420 --> 01:49:15,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po ba ito trabaho ng Department of Agriculture?

1112
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:23,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po ba magiging fragmented ang implementation ng agricultural program?

1113
01:49:24,140 --> 01:49:38,720
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung ibibigay na lang ito ng kung kanin-kaninong LGUs without coordination with the corresponding departments that is really in charge of agriculture?

1114
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:54,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, sa kasalukoyin po kasi kaya po nagkakaroon ng ganyan na disbursement sa loob po ng LGSF ay dahil po pumayag po yung Kongreso na isama po yung LGSF.

1115
01:49:54,140 --> 01:49:59,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ito ang mga programa na ito sa menu na nakapaloob po doon po sa General Appropriations Act.

1116
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:02,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya po nagkakaroon ng duplication po.

1117
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:07,320
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi ba ito pagsusuko ng ating legislative powers?

1118
01:50:09,220 --> 01:50:12,200
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: That can be questioned before the courts?

1119
01:50:13,860 --> 01:50:22,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The decision as to which items would be included in the menu solely rests with Congress.

1120
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:26,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we are not giving up legislative powers po.

1121
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:31,680
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Natatandaan ko, Madam Speaker, Madam Chair,

1122
01:50:32,860 --> 01:50:37,900
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: noong panahon ni Pangulong Aquino, meron pong bottoms-up budgeting.

1123
01:50:38,980 --> 01:50:42,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yan po yung suporta ng national government sa mga local government.

1124
01:50:43,580 --> 01:50:48,620
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pero bawat line item inaaprobahan ng Kongreso.

1125
01:50:48,620 --> 01:50:51,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung merong bibigay sa naga,

1126
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:52,480
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: aprobado,

1127
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:54,380
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: may bibigay sa Sulu,

1128
01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:56,340
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: may bibigay sa iba't ibang probinsya,

1129
01:50:56,500 --> 01:50:57,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: aprobado ng Kongreso.

1130
01:50:58,240 --> 01:50:58,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ngayon lang,

1131
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,640
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ngayon lang na ito ay sole discretionary.

1132
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:06,560
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At hindi nyo pa sinasabing Pangulo,

1133
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:09,640
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kundi BBM lang may discretion.

1134
01:51:38,980 --> 01:51:40,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ...

1135
01:51:40,180 --> 01:51:43,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, meron pong kasintalawang magkaibang component.

1136
01:51:44,260 --> 01:51:47,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun pong LGSF na pwede po natin gabitin

1137
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:48,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: bilang halimbawa.

1138
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:51,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung Falgo po,

1139
01:51:51,140 --> 01:51:53,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung financial assistance

1140
01:51:53,460 --> 01:51:55,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to LGUs. Yun po kasi

1141
01:51:55,660 --> 01:51:56,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po naka

1142
01:51:56,980 --> 01:51:59,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: per line item yung breakdown sa GAA.

1143
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:01,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, the other

1144
01:52:01,500 --> 01:52:03,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: type po, which is for example

1145
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:05,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: NTF-LCAC, kung makikita nyo po

1146
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:07,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa NEP

1147
01:52:07,060 --> 01:52:09,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pa lamang, meron ng listahan

1148
01:52:09,380 --> 01:52:11,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga iba't-ibang mga beneficiary

1149
01:52:11,780 --> 01:52:13,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: barangays na pwede pong bigyan

1150
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:15,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa ilalim na NTF-LCAC. So within

1151
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:17,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: LGSF itself,

1152
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meron po ang dalawang variants. Yung

1153
01:52:19,300 --> 01:52:21,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Falgo na hindi po naka line

1154
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:23,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: item. Tapos po yung NTF-LCAC

1155
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:25,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na naka line item po. So

1156
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:27,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ina-approbahan po natin per line item.

1157
01:52:27,300 --> 01:52:28,980
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 37 billion po yung

1158
01:52:28,980 --> 01:52:30,500
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Falgo dito ba?

1159
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:32,480
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: May line item po ba yun?

1160
01:52:34,660 --> 01:52:35,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po.

1161
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:37,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 37.45

1162
01:52:37,100 --> 01:52:39,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: billion pesos po ang Falgo.

1163
01:52:39,660 --> 01:52:40,660
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: May line item po yan?

1164
01:52:45,020 --> 01:52:47,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Wala pong line item yung sa

1165
01:52:47,100 --> 01:52:49,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Falgo, but it is governed

1166
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by the menu as

1167
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:53,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: indicated in the special provision

1168
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:54,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: approved by Congress.

1169
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,840
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung ating aprobahan yan, hindi po ba tayo

1170
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,020
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: we will be subjected to a violation

1171
01:52:59,020 --> 01:53:00,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: of the constitutional provision

1172
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,840
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: of an undue delegation of

1173
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:04,820
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: legislative power under Article

1174
01:53:04,820 --> 01:53:06,960
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 6, Section 1 of the

1175
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:07,440
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Constitution?

1176
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:22,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, meron na pong

1177
01:53:22,060 --> 01:53:24,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: previous Supreme Court ruling

1178
01:53:24,620 --> 01:53:26,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: citing that the LGSF

1179
01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:28,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is a valid expenditure.

1180
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:30,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The Supreme Court in the case of

1181
01:53:30,900 --> 01:53:33,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Belgica v. Secretary of Budget

1182
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and Management et al. ruled that

1183
01:53:35,140 --> 01:53:36,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the LGSF complies with the

1184
01:53:36,980 --> 01:53:38,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: rule on singular correspondence

1185
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because it has the discernible singular

1186
01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:43,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: appropriation purpose of

1187
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: providing funds for the support to local

1188
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: government units. Moreover,

1189
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:48,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: LGSF satisfies

1190
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:50,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: both the completeness and sufficient

1191
01:53:50,620 --> 01:53:52,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: standard test since, one,

1192
01:53:52,860 --> 01:53:54,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it specifies the standards by

1193
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:57,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which set the limits

1194
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:58,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the executive's authority to

1195
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:00,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: disperse the LGSF, and number

1196
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: two, it determines the legislative

1197
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:04,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: policy behind the fund, and finally,

1198
01:54:04,740 --> 01:54:07,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: number three, it identifies the condition

1199
01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:08,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under which the fund may be utilized.

1200
01:54:09,020 --> 01:54:10,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So meron na pong previous jurisprudence

1201
01:54:11,420 --> 01:54:11,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dito.

1202
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:14,680
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung

1203
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:16,920
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: implementation of programs, project

1204
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:18,640
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: activities, promotion of cultural,

1205
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:20,560
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: heritage, rehabilitation, repair,

1206
01:54:20,700 --> 01:54:22,580
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: improvement of national heritage

1207
01:54:22,580 --> 01:54:23,340
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: structures.

1208
01:54:25,340 --> 01:54:26,320
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po ba ito

1209
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:30,640
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ano po ang very

1210
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:31,900
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: special dito para

1211
01:54:31,900 --> 01:54:34,240
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ipadaan sa

1212
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:34,920
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: mga

1213
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,560
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: local government, samantarang meron na pong

1214
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,540
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: mga ahensya na mas

1215
01:54:40,540 --> 01:54:41,440
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: meron pong

1216
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:44,540
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pakayahan, capability

1217
01:54:44,540 --> 01:54:47,080
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: to implement these projects.

1218
01:54:47,980 --> 01:54:48,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: National

1219
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:50,200
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Heritage, meron po tayong

1220
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:53,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ahensya para dyan.

1221
01:55:42,540 --> 01:55:44,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, meron po kasing

1222
01:55:44,780 --> 01:55:46,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mga local

1223
01:55:46,260 --> 01:55:48,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: government sites, ay mga local

1224
01:55:48,260 --> 01:55:48,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sites,

1225
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:56,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na actually po hindi po nakapaloob doon po sa pinanghahawakan ng NHCP.

1226
01:55:56,460 --> 01:56:02,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So in cases like that po, may mga pagkakataon po na nag-request po yung mga LGUs.

1227
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:20,000
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: For example po, Madam Speaker, ano po ba yung mga hindi nasasakop ng cultural heritage, rehabilitation and repair ng ahensya para sa National Heritage Commission?

1228
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:40,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Isa pong halimbawa na binigay po ng DBM ay yung Old City Hall ng Cotabato.

1229
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:44,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ito po kasi ay kinonvert na po sa isang museum.

1230
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:56,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So isa po ito sa mga halimbawa na inirequest po sa kanila ng Cotabato City Government na mapondohan po sa ilalim po ng menu item B po.

1231
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:59,940
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito po ba ay nadeklara ng heritage site?

1232
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, nadeklara na po.

1233
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:06,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bakit hindi po po pwedeng pondohan ang National Heritage Commission?

1234
01:57:09,940 --> 01:57:19,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po ito po ay isang, bagamat ito po ay nadeklara na bilang isang heritage site, nanatili po ito bilang isang LGU property.

1235
01:57:19,940 --> 01:57:23,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya po ang nag-maintain pa rin po ay yung local government unit.

1236
01:57:25,380 --> 01:57:31,380
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa pagkakaalam ko, may parameters sa pagkukumpuni, pagre-rehab.

1237
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:39,380
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At ang mga heritage site at ang tanging authority dyan ay ang national heritage.

1238
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:48,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, may mga pagkakataon po kasi na hindi naman po ganun kalakihan yung budget ng NHCP.

1239
01:57:48,740 --> 01:57:54,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So hindi din po nila na-accommodate lahat po ng mga nadeklara bilang heritage site.

1240
01:57:54,300 --> 01:58:01,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So may mga pagkakataon po na mismo yung mga local government units na po yung nag-initiate ng request sa ilalim po ng LGU.

1241
01:58:01,980 --> 01:58:07,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Para po mapondohan yung ganitong mga maintenance po or restoration ng mga heritage sites.

1242
01:58:07,820 --> 01:58:18,640
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So ibig pong sabihin, lahat na nakapaloob dito sa mga parameters neto, pwede nang hindi humingi sa mga departamento at mga ahensya ng national government at pwede nang dumiretsyo sa office of the president.

1243
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:19,440
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba?

1244
01:58:22,300 --> 01:58:30,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, mayroon po itong mga complement sa iba't ibang mga programa ng mga ahensya ng gobyerno.

1245
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:31,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, Pai, you just said it.

1246
01:58:31,980 --> 01:58:38,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I just want to clarify po, the request is not directed to the president but rather it's directed to DBM through a portal.

1247
01:58:39,620 --> 01:58:41,640
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: DBM is the alter ego of the president.

1248
01:58:42,900 --> 01:58:46,780
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pag pinadaan sa DBM, ang request po kay presidente, hindi sa DBM.

1249
01:58:48,860 --> 01:58:54,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The approval po, the evaluation and the approval stops at the level of DBM.

1250
01:58:55,880 --> 01:58:58,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi na po ito kailangang iakyat po sa office of the president.

1251
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:01,820
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Construction, concreting, rehab.

1252
01:59:01,980 --> 01:59:08,600
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Repair of local roads, bridges, public markets, multi-purpose buildings, multi-purpose halls.

1253
01:59:09,780 --> 01:59:14,200
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi po ba trabaho ito ng Department of Public Works and Highways?

1254
01:59:15,180 --> 01:59:20,740
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Di ba po ito, yan yung pinag-aawayan dito sa Kongreso kung saan may mga allocables ang mga kinatawan?

1255
01:59:22,980 --> 01:59:26,040
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ngayon po, inililipat na lang sa mga local governments?

1256
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:26,140
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yes.

1257
01:59:28,740 --> 01:59:31,960
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Paano natin masisiguro na equitable ang distribution?

1258
01:59:31,980 --> 01:59:33,220
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang mga pondong ito?

1259
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, I agree with the Honorable Erice.

1260
02:00:06,620 --> 02:00:14,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually, opo, tama po yun. Meron din pong component yung DPWH na Basic Infrastructure Program or SIPAG

1261
02:00:14,980 --> 02:00:23,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung saan pwede pong mapondohan ng DPWH yun po mga local roads, yung mga multipurpose buildings sa iba't ibang mga lugar po.

1262
02:00:23,860 --> 02:00:31,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero binibigyan pa rin po ito dahil po kasama siya doon sa menu na na-aprobahan ng Kongreso.

1263
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:35,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pwede po itong i-request sa ilalim po ng LGSF.

1264
02:00:35,480 --> 02:00:43,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Okay po. Para pa ang patunayan natin, Madam Speaker, Madam Chair, kung equitable yung distribution nitong LGSF.

1265
02:00:45,020 --> 02:00:52,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Nakapag-release na po ba sila o sa mga local governments ng 2025, 37 billion po ang LGSF.

1266
02:00:53,860 --> 02:01:00,920
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: May mga na-release na po ba dyan? O naubos na yan?

1267
02:01:04,300 --> 02:01:07,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, opo, meron na pong ganong listahan.

1268
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:16,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ayon po sa DBM, maaari po itong makita doon sa Compass na portal sa DBM website.

1269
02:01:16,620 --> 02:01:23,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nandun na po yung listahan ng mga releases sa ilalim po ng LGSF so far for 2025.

1270
02:01:23,860 --> 02:01:26,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Fiscal year 2026 po.

1271
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:28,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: How about 2025?

1272
02:01:29,640 --> 02:01:36,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mula po 2022 hanggang so far po, half or until August of 2026.

1273
02:01:37,780 --> 02:01:44,260
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano po ang utilization rate ng LGSF 2025 and 2026?

1274
02:02:16,500 --> 02:02:21,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa taong 2025 po,

1275
02:02:21,980 --> 02:02:23,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang LGSF,

1276
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:34,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang released ay 59.74%, ang obligated po ay 13.01%, at ang disbursed po ay 4.15%.

1277
02:02:34,660 --> 02:02:48,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa 2026 po, as of July 22, ang released po ay 82.73%, obligated ay 20.2%, at yung disbursement po ay 43.1%.

1278
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:50,760
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano po ang ano? 2026, ano po ang utilization rate?

1279
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:51,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May...

1280
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:53,760
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Anong gamitin natin?

1281
02:02:53,840 --> 02:03:03,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang basehan na lang po natin, Madam Speaker, yung released amount.

1282
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:12,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So sa 2025 po, 59.74% out of the 18.95 billion pesos na allocation.

1283
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:20,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At sa 2026 po, 82.73% out of the 37.49 billion allocation.

1284
02:03:20,060 --> 02:03:23,060
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig pong sabihin yung utilization ng 2026.

1285
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:27,140
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig pong sabihin yung utilization ng 2026 ay mas mataas kaysa sa 2025.

1286
02:03:27,380 --> 02:03:28,000
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan?

1287
02:03:28,300 --> 02:03:30,380
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 82% ang utilization.

1288
02:03:52,150 --> 02:03:52,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po yan.

1289
02:03:53,160 --> 02:03:59,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang base po sa datos ng DBM, mas mataas po yung utilization rate ng 2026 ng LGSF

1290
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:01,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kumpara po sa 2025 ng LGSF.

1291
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:04,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang kadahilanan po ay yung LGSF price.

1292
02:04:05,220 --> 02:04:07,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun po yung mataas yung utilization rate.

1293
02:04:07,820 --> 02:04:11,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Meron po siya sa 2026, pero wala po siya sa 2025.

1294
02:04:13,120 --> 02:04:19,280
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig pong sabihin, mas madaling na nagamit yung pondo ng 2026.

1295
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:22,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bakit po kaya madaling na gamit yung price?

1296
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:22,460
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bakit po kaya madaling na gamit yung price?

1297
02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:25,460
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Binamigay na lang lahat sa lahat yung rice.

1298
02:04:27,220 --> 02:04:35,920
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano po ang development economic impact nung pagbibigay ng bigas ng kanyang kalalaki?

1299
02:04:44,720 --> 02:04:50,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mabilis po kasi yung distribution ng rice kasi po lahat po ng mga LGUs sa buong bansa nabigyan po.

1300
02:04:50,940 --> 02:04:52,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So mas mabilis po siya kumpara sa halimbawa.

1301
02:04:53,160 --> 02:04:58,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa yung individual projects na rinirequest po ng LGU doon sa portal.

1302
02:04:58,520 --> 02:05:07,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung dahilan po kung bakit ipinamigay po yung bigas ay bilang pagresponde po doon sa iba't ibang mga krisis.

1303
02:05:08,060 --> 02:05:16,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po yung pagtaas po ng presyo ng crudo, ng koryente, at yung mga nawalan din po ng trabaho.

1304
02:05:17,020 --> 02:05:18,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya kailangan po matugunan din po kagad.

1305
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:20,100
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Talagang ayuda rin po ito.

1306
02:05:22,040 --> 02:05:22,920
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ayuda to, di ba?

1307
02:05:24,020 --> 02:05:25,420
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Walang economic impact to eh.

1308
02:05:25,480 --> 02:05:27,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kundi pagbibigay ng bigas, limang kilo, sampung kilo.

1309
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:32,800
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi ba ito patronage politics?

1310
02:05:36,460 --> 02:05:46,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There is an economic factor din po which is where we are endeavoring po na hindi po bumagsak sa below poverty line.

1311
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:52,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung mga pamilya na pinaka-vulnerable po dito po sa mga ganitong external shock.

1312
02:05:53,160 --> 02:06:03,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there's also a multiplier effect in the sense that yung mga bigas po ay kinukuha sa mga local farmers.

1313
02:06:03,780 --> 02:06:10,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So meron po din guaranteed na bumibili noong bigas, yung mga palay, yung mga produkto na ating mga magsasaka.

1314
02:06:10,640 --> 02:06:16,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So meron din po siyang economic, may economic ecosystem din po.

1315
02:06:17,240 --> 02:06:22,380
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Namomonitor po ba ng PBM yung pagbibigay ng bigas?

1316
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:31,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang DILG po, ang nag-incharge po ng monitoring ng distribution ng LGS price.

1317
02:06:31,780 --> 02:06:34,420
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Bibigyan ko po kayo ng isang example sa Kaloocan.

1318
02:06:35,260 --> 02:06:37,460
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung isang banko, Philippine Business Bank.

1319
02:06:37,660 --> 02:06:44,980
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Lahat na empleyado, from manager to ordinary employee, tigko 40 kilos na bigas.

1320
02:06:46,780 --> 02:06:47,800
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 40 kilos.

1321
02:06:48,460 --> 02:06:50,500
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So exclusively at the discretion.

1322
02:06:53,160 --> 02:06:59,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Paano nakakatulong ito sa mga mahirap kung ang binibigyan mo ang mga executive ng banko?

1323
02:07:04,500 --> 02:07:14,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, given that the DILG is in charge of the monitoring, yun po dapat yung mga bagay na huhuli ng DILG.

1324
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:21,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So kung may mga ganito pong pagkakataon, dapat po ma-report po sa DILG para po matugunan nila.

1325
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:23,140
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So meron po ba?

1326
02:07:23,160 --> 02:07:29,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ito ang assessment na nagawa ang PBM sa utilization ng 2025 at least.

1327
02:07:30,060 --> 02:07:31,160
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2025 LGSF.

1328
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:34,460
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: And can you furnish us a copy?

1329
02:07:34,460 --> 02:07:34,540
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you.

1330
02:07:53,160 --> 02:08:11,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, may I ask po our distinguished colleague, what sort of report po would you like for the 2025 utilization?

1331
02:08:11,020 --> 02:08:11,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: How it was distributed?

1332
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:13,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: How it was distributed?

1333
02:08:13,940 --> 02:08:16,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of which LGUs po?

1334
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:19,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Are the recipients the types of projects?

1335
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:20,140
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yes.

1336
02:08:20,140 --> 02:08:20,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Apo.

1337
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:23,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa kasalukuyan po, yung...

1338
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:35,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So far po, yung roughly 52% na na-dispersed po for 2025, lahat po ng datos doon po sa releases, nandun na rin po, naka-upload na po sa Compass portal ng DBM.

1339
02:08:35,460 --> 02:08:36,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero magbibigay din po.

1340
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:42,160
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang nakalagay po doon yung amount of releases o yung goods that were given?

1341
02:08:45,300 --> 02:08:50,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nandito po sa Compass, actually po, nakita ko po ngayon ang ganda po ng dashboard nila.

1342
02:08:51,180 --> 02:08:52,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And nandun po yung...

1343
02:08:53,160 --> 02:09:00,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Bawat proyekto at bawat LGU at magkano at kung anong klaseng proyekto po.

1344
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:14,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po, NCR, Metro Manila, Manila, Multipurpose Building, Construction of Pamantasan ng Lungsod na Maynila, College of Allied Health Sciences, 500 million, year 2025 po.

1345
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:17,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So pwede nating ma-filter po yun doon po sa Compass website.

1346
02:09:18,180 --> 02:09:22,420
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa apalagay niyo po, Madam Chair, equitable po ang distribution nito?

1347
02:09:23,160 --> 02:09:23,900
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Equitable.

1348
02:09:36,540 --> 02:09:43,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For 2026 po, Madam Speaker, equitable po dahil po lahat binigyan.

1349
02:09:44,300 --> 02:09:48,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung 2025 po, nakabatay po kasi sa kung sino yung nag-request.

1350
02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:53,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So posible po na may ibang mga LGU, may ibang mga probinsya.

1351
02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:56,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Na hindi po nag-request. So wala po silang natanggap.

1352
02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:02,820
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So sa 2027 po, paano po i-dedistribute ito?

1353
02:10:16,420 --> 02:10:23,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Para po sa taong 2027, dahil po yung panukalang amount po ng LGU,

1354
02:10:23,140 --> 02:10:27,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: GSF ay parehas doon sa 2026 ga.

1355
02:10:27,720 --> 02:10:32,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang intensyon po ayon sa DBM ay pareho pa rin po yung distribution.

1356
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:37,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So with regard to rice, lahat pa rin po na local government units mabibigyan.

1357
02:10:37,700 --> 02:10:46,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And with regard to infrastructure po, it would still depend on whether there's an LGU that requested from a particular area.

1358
02:10:46,160 --> 02:10:52,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And it would still be consistent po with the same menu and criteria that we approve.

1359
02:10:52,220 --> 02:10:57,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So in the 2027 ga, under the special provision for LGSF.

1360
02:10:57,060 --> 02:10:59,480
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: With the indulgence of our good mentor.

1361
02:10:59,480 --> 02:11:00,900
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Last question, ma'am. Thank you.

1362
02:11:04,200 --> 02:11:11,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kaya po ako nagtatanong, sapagkat napakamahalaga po na masinop yung paggamit natin ng 7.2 trillion.

1363
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:21,420
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sapagkat sa 17.2 trillion, ang projected government revenue ay 5.2 trillion lamang. Tama po?

1364
02:11:22,220 --> 02:11:24,860
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At yun ay projected pa lang.

1365
02:11:26,420 --> 02:11:29,620
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa bagsak nating GDP, baka hindi pa ma-realize.

1366
02:11:31,060 --> 02:11:36,980
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pagkatapos po, ang uutangin natin para ponduhan nito ay 1.69 trillion.

1367
02:11:38,620 --> 02:11:46,640
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sa 1.69 trillion po, for development projects, kasama na yung mga ayuda, 1.1 trillion.

1368
02:11:46,640 --> 02:11:52,060
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig sabihin, yung napuponduhan ng pagutang natin, pati yung personal services,

1369
02:11:52,220 --> 02:11:55,080
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pati yung MOOE. Kaya po mahalaga.

1370
02:11:56,280 --> 02:12:07,420
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At pagkatapos po, kailangan pa nating mangutang muli ng 3.3 trillion para bayaran yung mga nag-mature na utang natin.

1371
02:12:07,780 --> 02:12:08,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan?

1372
02:12:10,420 --> 02:12:18,380
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Aside from the 1.69 trillion na uutangin para ponduhan ng 2027 national budget,

1373
02:12:18,780 --> 02:12:21,400
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: mangungutang na naman tayo ng 3.3.

1374
02:12:22,220 --> 02:12:27,540
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 3.3 trillion para bayaran yung mga maturing na utang.

1375
02:12:28,040 --> 02:12:28,880
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan?

1376
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:44,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, if we may clarify po, the 3.3 trillion peso borrowing already includes the deficit of 1.69.

1377
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:49,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, kabuuan na po na borrowing po natin yung 3.3 trillion.

1378
02:12:50,340 --> 02:12:51,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasama na po yung deficit.

1379
02:12:51,620 --> 02:12:53,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tapos on top po yung iba pa.

1380
02:12:55,280 --> 02:13:07,040
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ibig sabihin po, ang 1.69 trillion yung utangin for the 2027 national budget. Tama po?

1381
02:13:14,540 --> 02:13:15,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, tama po yan.

1382
02:13:15,780 --> 02:13:21,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.694 trillion para po doon sa 2027 budget.

1383
02:13:21,240 --> 02:13:22,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Para po mapondohan.

1384
02:13:22,720 --> 02:13:25,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At yung remainder po ay...

1385
02:13:25,020 --> 02:13:28,940
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang 1.6 trillion ay yun naman yung pangbayad po.

1386
02:13:29,960 --> 02:13:34,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pangbayad po is doon sa mga nag-mature na natin na mga utang.

1387
02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:37,800
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, payment of maturities.

1388
02:13:38,180 --> 02:13:39,220
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, utangin natin ulit yun.

1389
02:13:39,460 --> 02:13:43,560
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ibig pong sabihin, next year, after 2027, lalaki na naman.

1390
02:13:44,180 --> 02:13:46,920
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Mas langong lalaki yung ating interest payment.

1391
02:13:47,160 --> 02:13:47,760
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan?

1392
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:49,140
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po ba yan?

1393
02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:16,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po, madam speaker. Last year po kasi, 0.996 trillion po yun po interest payments.

1394
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:20,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa 2027 po, 1.114.

1395
02:14:20,360 --> 02:14:21,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At sa 2027, 1.114.

1396
02:14:22,500 --> 02:14:28,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At sa 2028, ang forecast po, although very preliminary, tataas din po kumpada sa 2027.

1397
02:14:28,380 --> 02:14:37,800
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ang ibig sabihin po ba dito ay lilit muli ang fiscal space for 2028?

1398
02:14:42,300 --> 02:14:45,060
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: With the indulgence of our good colleague.

1399
02:14:45,500 --> 02:14:46,100
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Last question.

1400
02:14:46,100 --> 02:14:49,100
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: You have an...

1401
02:14:50,340 --> 02:14:51,100
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: You're...

1402
02:14:51,220 --> 02:14:55,860
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: You have exceeded the 30-minute rule.

1403
02:14:56,860 --> 02:14:59,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam speaker, if I may respond po.

1404
02:14:59,140 --> 02:14:59,980
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Very quickly, please.

1405
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:15,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The last question. Sa kasalukuyan po, publicly available na rin po ang initial po na inaprobahan ng DBCC para po sa 2028 budget ay 7.2 trillion pesos pa rin po.

1406
02:15:15,320 --> 02:15:32,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, preliminarily po, preliminarily, yun po yung naaprobahan ng DBCC. So, tama po na dahil tataas yung interest payment sa 2028 pero po mananatiling 7.2 trillion pesos yung kabuuan ng budget.

1407
02:15:32,840 --> 02:15:38,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In essence po, kinakain niya po yung ating fiscal space. So, ninipis po na konti yung fiscal space.

1408
02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:39,880
Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Maraming salamat po.

1409
02:15:40,220 --> 02:15:43,000
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Thank you very much, Congressman Erice. Majority Leader?

1410
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:45,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po, Madam Speaker.

1411
02:15:45,420 --> 02:15:47,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po to the Honorable Ege Erice.

1412
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:54,440
Rep. Ryan S. Recto: Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable Robert Nazal of the BH Party List Interpolation.

1413
02:15:54,440 --> 02:15:57,080
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: The Honorable Nazal is recognized for his interpolation.

1414
02:16:03,820 --> 02:16:05,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Chair.

1415
02:16:12,120 --> 02:16:15,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, through you, to the DBM.

1416
02:16:15,320 --> 02:16:24,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Your own 2026 NEP still contained the long-standing prohibition against impoundment of appropriations.

1417
02:16:26,020 --> 02:16:42,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: But in the enacted 2026 GAA, this was replaced by Section 78, suspension of expenditure, which allows the President to stop expenditure when public interest so requires.

1418
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:45,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: The same provision is again proposed.

1419
02:16:45,320 --> 02:17:02,460
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, my question, Madam Chair, is Section 38 of the Administrative Code already gave the President authority to suspend expenditure when public interest so requires.

1420
02:17:02,460 --> 02:17:15,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: If that authority already exists, why was it necessary to remove the long-standing prohibition against impoundment provision and replace it with this provision?

1421
02:17:21,100 --> 02:17:22,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po, Madam Chair.

1422
02:17:22,180 --> 02:17:29,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, it is simply a reiteration of what is indicated in Section 38 of EO 292.

1423
02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:34,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And actually po ginagawa rin naman po natin yun, hindi lang sa provision na to.

1424
02:17:34,860 --> 02:17:42,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May iba din po mga special provisions and general provisions na simple reiteration ng po sila noong pong substantive law.

1425
02:17:43,800 --> 02:17:45,260
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero originally po

1426
02:17:45,260 --> 02:17:46,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for the last 20 years

1427
02:17:46,820 --> 02:17:49,260
Rep. Roberto Nazal: binabawal natin yung impounding

1428
02:17:49,260 --> 02:17:50,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that's why

1429
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:53,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for the last 20 years since 2007

1430
02:17:53,480 --> 02:17:54,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: very specific

1431
02:17:54,680 --> 02:17:57,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang nilalagay po natin

1432
02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:59,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: up to the 2026

1433
02:17:59,520 --> 02:18:00,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: NEP

1434
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:05,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: prohibition section 74

1435
02:18:05,720 --> 02:18:07,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: up to the 2026 NEP

1436
02:18:07,440 --> 02:18:09,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: prohibition against impoundment

1437
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:10,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: of appropriations

1438
02:18:10,540 --> 02:18:13,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ngayon bigla na lang natin binago

1439
02:18:13,780 --> 02:18:14,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nung

1440
02:18:14,940 --> 02:18:17,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ga-a ng 2026

1441
02:18:17,340 --> 02:18:24,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: so may I ask

1442
02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:26,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: what additional authority ba

1443
02:18:26,360 --> 02:18:28,320
Rep. Roberto Nazal: if any was intended

1444
02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:30,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: to be given to the president

1445
02:18:30,100 --> 02:18:32,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: meron po ba

1446
02:18:32,580 --> 02:18:33,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: additional authority

1447
02:18:33,880 --> 02:18:35,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kaya natin inintroduce to

1448
02:18:35,400 --> 02:18:36,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: at tinanggal natin yung impounding

1449
02:18:36,980 --> 02:18:40,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: okay

1450
02:19:13,780 --> 02:19:20,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, that is correct po.

1451
02:19:20,560 --> 02:19:28,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2026 GAA is the first wherein the terminology suspension of expenditure was used.

1452
02:19:28,100 --> 02:19:35,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, in previous GAAs where impoundment was used, in terms of the concept and the spirit, it's the same po.

1453
02:19:35,980 --> 02:19:38,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We just changed the terminology in the 2026 GAA.

1454
02:19:41,240 --> 02:19:42,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: But why did we change it?

1455
02:19:42,940 --> 02:19:49,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Are we giving the President or the Executive additional authority by doing so?

1456
02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:55,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, this is really just for consistency with EO 292

1457
02:19:55,940 --> 02:20:01,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the terminology that is used in EO 292 is suspension of expenditure.

1458
02:20:01,940 --> 02:20:08,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So just to be consistent po, given that we are reiterating that substantive law in the general provision of the GAA,

1459
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:12,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: just to be consistent po, in the 2026 GAA, we also,

1460
02:20:12,940 --> 02:20:16,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: carried the terminology suspension of expenditure.

1461
02:20:16,560 --> 02:20:20,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, wala po tayong, Madam Chair, we are not Distinguished Colleague,

1462
02:20:20,560 --> 02:20:25,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: wala po tayong dinadagdag na additional authority sa Presidente?

1463
02:20:27,320 --> 02:20:33,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Wala po, Madam Speaker, we can categorically say we are not adding any more power.

1464
02:20:33,900 --> 02:20:36,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We are just simply reiterating what is there in EO 292.

1465
02:20:36,980 --> 02:20:40,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So we changed it because of a reiteration.

1466
02:20:41,100 --> 02:20:42,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Just to be consistent po.

1467
02:20:42,940 --> 02:20:47,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague, who proposed or requested this change?

1468
02:20:48,260 --> 02:20:51,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Was it the DBM, the DOF or the Executive Department?

1469
02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:56,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And sino po ang nag-introduce nito sa BICAM?

1470
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:28,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pakipause yung time ko, please.

1471
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:36,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: My time is running. Can you please pause it?

1472
02:26:04,100 --> 02:26:06,300
Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin: Session resumed. The sponsor may respond quickly.

1473
02:26:06,300 --> 02:26:12,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker. So for this particular general provision,

1474
02:26:12,940 --> 02:26:14,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This was concurred by both houses,

1475
02:26:14,820 --> 02:26:16,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: both chambers, during the

1476
02:26:16,820 --> 02:26:17,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: BICAM.

1477
02:26:18,700 --> 02:26:20,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So who introduced this in the

1478
02:26:20,780 --> 02:26:22,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: BICAM? Madam Chair?

1479
02:26:24,380 --> 02:26:27,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And sino po ang nag-recommend

1480
02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:28,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: na ipasok ito sa BICAM?

1481
02:26:35,500 --> 02:26:36,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

1482
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:39,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I don't want

1483
02:26:39,100 --> 02:26:40,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to make a mistake po. So,

1484
02:26:40,400 --> 02:26:41,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with the indulgence of

1485
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:42,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Representative

1486
02:26:42,760 --> 02:26:44,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nasal, may we

1487
02:26:44,300 --> 02:26:46,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: request for some time to look back at the

1488
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:48,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: records of the BICAM

1489
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:50,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and see po. We'll just trace back

1490
02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:52,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po, just to make sure we answer

1491
02:26:52,640 --> 02:26:53,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: correctly.

1492
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:00,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: While we're doing

1493
02:27:00,860 --> 02:27:02,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that po, may we proceed with other questions

1494
02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:04,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and then we'll get back to you po

1495
02:27:04,680 --> 02:27:06,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as soon as we

1496
02:27:06,340 --> 02:27:07,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: were able to backtrack.

1497
02:27:08,440 --> 02:27:10,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay. My question,

1498
02:27:11,020 --> 02:27:12,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague,

1499
02:27:12,760 --> 02:27:12,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: is

1500
02:27:12,960 --> 02:27:16,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: when we

1501
02:27:16,620 --> 02:27:17,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: introduced yung

1502
02:27:17,740 --> 02:27:20,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: provision on impoundment,

1503
02:27:20,920 --> 02:27:22,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang purpose po

1504
02:27:22,900 --> 02:27:24,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: natin is ma-implement

1505
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:26,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung GAA.

1506
02:27:27,060 --> 02:27:28,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ayaw natin na mag-impound.

1507
02:27:29,340 --> 02:27:30,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, basically, ang ginawa natin

1508
02:27:30,840 --> 02:27:32,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng ngayon by introducing this provision,

1509
02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:36,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: tinatanggal natin yung

1510
02:27:36,340 --> 02:27:38,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: provision on impounding

1511
02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:41,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and

1512
02:27:41,640 --> 02:27:42,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: we are

1513
02:27:42,760 --> 02:27:44,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: making, parang

1514
02:27:44,740 --> 02:27:46,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: naglalagay na naman tayo ng kulatilya

1515
02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:48,260
Rep. Roberto Nazal: na pwedeng

1516
02:27:48,260 --> 02:27:50,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: mamili

1517
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:52,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng mga project na pwedeng

1518
02:27:52,600 --> 02:27:55,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: isuspend. Hindi po ba ganoon na nangyayari?

1519
02:28:01,960 --> 02:28:03,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair,

1520
02:28:04,460 --> 02:28:05,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Distinguished Colleague.

1521
02:28:08,360 --> 02:28:09,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

1522
02:28:10,480 --> 02:28:12,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually po, even without this general provision,

1523
02:28:12,760 --> 02:28:14,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the GAA, given that

1524
02:28:14,660 --> 02:28:16,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there is already EO 292,

1525
02:28:17,360 --> 02:28:18,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meron na yun po talagang

1526
02:28:18,900 --> 02:28:20,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ganon. So, the GAA is simply

1527
02:28:20,840 --> 02:28:22,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a reiteration of that. So, we were

1528
02:28:22,880 --> 02:28:24,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: not the ones who actually

1529
02:28:24,300 --> 02:28:26,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: implemented that,

1530
02:28:26,700 --> 02:28:28,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but rather we are simply just reiterating.

1531
02:28:28,740 --> 02:28:30,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, why introduce it in the first place,

1532
02:28:31,080 --> 02:28:31,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair?

1533
02:28:32,740 --> 02:28:34,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Meron na tayong provision

1534
02:28:34,940 --> 02:28:36,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: prior to this

1535
02:28:36,760 --> 02:28:38,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: on impounding, which protects

1536
02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:40,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the GAA from being

1537
02:28:40,940 --> 02:28:41,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: um

1538
02:28:41,620 --> 02:28:41,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: um

1539
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:45,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: , which protects

1540
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:46,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the GAA from being implemented.

1541
02:28:48,500 --> 02:28:49,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Protects the GAA

1542
02:28:49,640 --> 02:28:51,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: na hindi po siya

1543
02:28:51,060 --> 02:28:52,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pwede mag-impound

1544
02:28:52,920 --> 02:28:54,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang executive ng basta-basta.

1545
02:28:54,740 --> 02:28:56,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, why did we have to remove this provision?

1546
02:28:57,660 --> 02:28:58,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, actually,

1547
02:28:58,820 --> 02:29:00,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: speaking to DBM, they're actually

1548
02:29:00,920 --> 02:29:02,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: okay with removing this.

1549
02:29:02,920 --> 02:29:04,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, they're okay with removing this?

1550
02:29:04,340 --> 02:29:06,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: They will submit to the wisdom of Congress with regard to this.

1551
02:29:07,560 --> 02:29:08,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But, it was

1552
02:29:08,900 --> 02:29:10,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: simply a reiteration, but

1553
02:29:10,380 --> 02:29:12,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: they will submit to our wisdom

1554
02:29:12,380 --> 02:29:14,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we choose to take this out

1555
02:29:14,400 --> 02:29:16,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the 2027 GAA.

1556
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:17,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay.

1557
02:29:18,760 --> 02:29:19,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Um,

1558
02:29:20,200 --> 02:29:22,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: thank you for that.

1559
02:29:23,160 --> 02:29:24,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, pero Madam Chair,

1560
02:29:24,240 --> 02:29:26,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: since nandito pa rin siya sa

1561
02:29:26,020 --> 02:29:28,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: 2026, and we applied it to ano,

1562
02:29:28,520 --> 02:29:29,380
Rep. Roberto Nazal: gusto ko lang tanungin,

1563
02:29:30,500 --> 02:29:32,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: um, unmanageable

1564
02:29:32,200 --> 02:29:33,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: national government budget deficit

1565
02:29:33,980 --> 02:29:35,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: is specifically defined

1566
02:29:35,620 --> 02:29:38,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: dun sa 2026.

1567
02:29:39,140 --> 02:29:39,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Um,

1568
02:29:40,380 --> 02:29:40,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: GAA.

1569
02:29:42,060 --> 02:29:44,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: But when public interest so requires,

1570
02:29:44,600 --> 02:29:45,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: it's not similarly defined.

1571
02:29:47,020 --> 02:29:49,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: May I ask, ano yung concrete example

1572
02:29:49,180 --> 02:29:51,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng public interest na sapat

1573
02:29:51,240 --> 02:29:53,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: para ipatigil ang expenditure

1574
02:29:53,360 --> 02:29:54,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for a project?

1575
02:29:55,480 --> 02:29:56,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Change of policy?

1576
02:29:57,000 --> 02:29:57,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Change of priority?

1577
02:29:57,880 --> 02:29:59,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: May problema?

1578
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano malya? Ano ba ang objective standard natin?

1579
02:30:04,660 --> 02:30:07,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And has this provision been invoked already in 2026?

1580
02:30:10,580 --> 02:30:15,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, there is actually jurisprudence with regard to this matter.

1581
02:30:15,780 --> 02:30:26,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The Supreme Court has already ruled that the definition of when public interest requires is quite vague.

1582
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:31,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In essence, leaving it up to the President to decide on that.

1583
02:30:32,120 --> 02:30:40,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But we're pulling right now, Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, this specific jurisprudence so we can cite it correctly.

1584
02:30:42,380 --> 02:30:46,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung Arawlio po. Arawlio. You can look at Arawlio.

1585
02:30:53,980 --> 02:30:56,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DBM is just pulling.

1586
02:30:56,880 --> 02:30:58,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The DBM is just pulling up the specific jurisprudence.

1587
02:31:00,120 --> 02:31:05,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague, has this been invoked in 2026?

1588
02:31:08,160 --> 02:31:13,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, no. This particular general provision has not been invoked.

1589
02:31:16,820 --> 02:31:19,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Diretso ko na lang po dun sa susunod kong tanong.

1590
02:31:22,380 --> 02:31:26,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, under the new Section 78,

1591
02:31:26,880 --> 02:31:34,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pwede ba ninyong gamitin ang public interest para hindi na i-release ang allotment for a project in the first place?

1592
02:31:34,860 --> 02:31:35,320
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes or no?

1593
02:31:56,880 --> 02:32:06,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the answer is no po, given that these speak of two different things.

1594
02:32:07,180 --> 02:32:09,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Releases is different from suspension.

1595
02:32:09,820 --> 02:32:14,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So this particular general provision only deals with suspension.

1596
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:22,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So hindi po pwedeng gamitin yung general provision na ito para hindi po i-release ang isa pong allocation or funding.

1597
02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:26,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Then Madam Chair, can DBM kadilis?

1598
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:37,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: DBM kategorikali confirm that public interest under Section 78 cannot be used to withhold the initial release of an allotment.

1599
02:32:51,780 --> 02:32:54,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, yes, the category...

1600
02:32:54,440 --> 02:32:55,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: My apologies, yes and no.

1601
02:32:55,820 --> 02:32:56,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo confusing po.

1602
02:32:56,600 --> 02:33:00,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The categorical answer of DBM is no.

1603
02:33:01,260 --> 02:33:04,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi po pwedeng gamitin ito para mag-hold ng releases.

1604
02:33:05,180 --> 02:33:07,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Then Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague,

1605
02:33:07,780 --> 02:33:13,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: what provision now protects appropriations against impoundment

1606
02:33:13,220 --> 02:33:21,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: considering that the express prohibition against impoundment provision was removed?

1607
02:33:56,600 --> 02:33:57,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: May time?

1608
02:33:57,600 --> 02:33:58,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Please suspend.

1609
02:33:58,940 --> 02:33:59,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you.

1610
02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:00,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you.

1611
02:34:20,600 --> 02:34:22,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, if I may.

1612
02:34:23,900 --> 02:34:26,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: As a response, there is general provision number 3.

1613
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:31,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Which pertains to the General Appropriations Act as allotment order.

1614
02:34:32,300 --> 02:34:43,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It says here that the General Appropriations Act upon its effectivity shall be considered the allotment authorizing agencies to obligate in accordance with its provisions except for two conditions.

1615
02:34:43,260 --> 02:34:56,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The first would be the appropriations that by virtue of law, general or special provisions, and rules and regulations, have conditions or requirements before release, and lump sum appropriations in the agency budget.

1616
02:34:56,600 --> 02:35:03,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And special purpose funds that have no details necessary for release. So yun po yung safeguard, General Provision No. 3 po.

1617
02:35:03,440 --> 02:35:06,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Can you please

1618
02:35:06,040 --> 02:35:17,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there are specific conditions by which a particular allotment would not be released; otherwise the general rule is it should be released.

1619
02:35:17,500 --> 02:35:21,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bakit po yung ano? Bakit po yung based doon sa NEP?

1620
02:35:21,620 --> 02:35:24,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bakit po yung congressional initiatives

1621
02:35:24,600 --> 02:35:24,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bakit po?

1622
02:35:26,260 --> 02:35:40,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bakit po yung congressional initiatives, nirequire ng aficero tapos nag-require ng additional requirements?

1623
02:35:42,020 --> 02:35:45,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Wala po yun sa binasa nyo, Madam Chair.

1624
02:35:46,020 --> 02:35:50,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In the case po, I wouldn't call them congressional initiatives.

1625
02:35:50,140 --> 02:35:57,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Those are probably, with your permission po, we'll tag them as items that have deviations between the NEP and the GAA.

1626
02:35:58,440 --> 02:36:03,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun po kasi, those are items that have not been vetted by the DBM.

1627
02:36:04,520 --> 02:36:12,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It didn't go through the usual process that the other projects had to undergo during the budget call.

1628
02:36:12,800 --> 02:36:17,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in that case po, it's an additional safeguard on the part of DBM

1629
02:36:17,360 --> 02:36:19,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to be able to make sure that these projects,

1630
02:36:19,780 --> 02:36:23,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: comply with the same requirements as the projects in the NEP.

1631
02:36:23,360 --> 02:36:27,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, meron pong ganong additional safeguard, kaya po naging FISARO po.

1632
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:31,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano po yung legal basis para gawin yun?

1633
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:45,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Every congressional initiative or amendment was done, dumaan po yan sa RDC and was properly vetted.

1634
02:36:52,620 --> 02:36:55,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I wanted to know what the legal basis was for the president to do a veto.

1635
02:36:55,200 --> 02:36:56,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Are you saying, Madam Chair,

1636
02:36:58,360 --> 02:37:00,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: distinguished colleague, na pag dumaan po sa atin,

1637
02:37:01,240 --> 02:37:03,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: dumaan po sa congressional,

1638
02:37:04,160 --> 02:37:06,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa House, dumaan sa Senate, hindi po natin binibeta?

1639
02:37:07,160 --> 02:37:10,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The legal basis po for this, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague,

1640
02:37:10,820 --> 02:37:15,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is the veto power of the president as indicated in the veto message.

1641
02:37:16,200 --> 02:37:19,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There's a particular section there in the veto message that

1642
02:37:19,400 --> 02:37:23,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that pertains to increases in appropriations and new budgetary items.

1643
02:37:23,440 --> 02:37:32,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At doon po, linae out po yung mga conditions na kailangan po ma-meet for the release of these items

1644
02:37:32,200 --> 02:37:37,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that are either new budgetary items or saw increases in appropriations.

1645
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:44,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: In the 2026 GAA, ano yung veto message?

1646
02:37:45,120 --> 02:37:47,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Saan po nakalagay na veto message yun?

1647
02:37:47,160 --> 02:37:50,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Wala po sa veto message yun.

1648
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:57,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Doon po sa mismong veto message, it is under Section 6 with the header

1649
02:37:57,560 --> 02:38:01,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Increases in Appropriations and New Budgetary Items as Published po.

1650
02:38:02,300 --> 02:38:05,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: With the veto message as published in the official gazette.

1651
02:38:05,780 --> 02:38:09,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Under what provision po nakalagay sa veto message?

1652
02:38:09,820 --> 02:38:10,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Item 6 po.

1653
02:38:11,020 --> 02:38:12,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: What does it state specifically?

1654
02:38:12,620 --> 02:38:17,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It pertains to increases in appropriations and new budgetary items.

1655
02:38:17,160 --> 02:38:26,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I could read po the particular item if our distinguished colleague so desires.

1656
02:38:27,020 --> 02:38:30,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In the exercise of the budget execution function vested upon the executive branch,

1657
02:38:31,240 --> 02:38:37,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it is understood that the increases in appropriations and new budgetary items introduced by the Congress in this budget

1658
02:38:37,240 --> 02:38:40,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shall be subject to the national government's cash programming,

1659
02:38:40,880 --> 02:38:43,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: observance of prudent fiscal management,

1660
02:38:44,040 --> 02:38:46,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: applicable budget execution rules and procedures,

1661
02:38:46,520 --> 02:38:47,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and,

1662
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:51,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and approval by the president based on the program priorities of the government.

1663
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:56,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Considering that such releases in appropriations and new budgetary items will have corresponding effects

1664
02:38:56,480 --> 02:38:59,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on the outputs and outcomes of the agencies concerned,

1665
02:38:59,740 --> 02:39:03,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the DBM shall inform the said agencies of the changes in their respective appropriations

1666
02:39:03,940 --> 02:39:06,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and require the submission of their revised performance target.

1667
02:39:07,080 --> 02:39:11,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So nasa first paragraph po, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleagues, yung mga conditions.

1668
02:39:13,020 --> 02:39:15,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, Madam Chair, distinguished colleague.

1669
02:39:16,620 --> 02:39:17,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair,

1670
02:39:17,160 --> 02:39:23,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: may I apply natin kung ang isang project ay nasa FISARO at wala pang SARO,

1671
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:27,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: can public interest be invoked so that the SARO is never released?

1672
02:39:28,320 --> 02:39:28,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes or no?

1673
02:39:33,360 --> 02:39:38,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: My apologies, Madam Chair, Madam Speaker, medyo technical po kasi.

1674
02:39:38,740 --> 02:39:43,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May I request for the question to be reiterated, releases po ba or suspension?

1675
02:39:43,780 --> 02:39:46,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: No, I'll just...

1676
02:39:47,160 --> 02:39:47,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'll just repeat the question.

1677
02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:48,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, please po.

1678
02:39:48,760 --> 02:39:52,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung ang isang project po ay nasa FISARO at wala pang SARO,

1679
02:39:53,560 --> 02:39:57,320
Rep. Roberto Nazal: can public interest be invoked so that the SARO is never released?

1680
02:40:14,200 --> 02:40:22,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, given that the question pertains to releases of items categorized under FISARO, opo, sa ilalim po nitong Section 6 ng veto message, maaari pong mangyari yan.

1681
02:40:23,140 --> 02:40:23,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo.

1682
02:40:24,540 --> 02:40:36,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa ilalim po nitong section six ng veto message, maaari pong mangyari yan if several of the conditions, one of the conditions set forth are met.

1683
02:40:36,620 --> 02:40:37,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Either...

1684
02:40:37,940 --> 02:40:38,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi...

1685
02:40:38,980 --> 02:40:46,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It could either not meet the national government's cash programming or prudent fiscal management,

1686
02:40:46,620 --> 02:40:51,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or it went against applicable budget execution rules and procedures,

1687
02:40:52,440 --> 02:41:02,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if any of the conditions are not met, it is possible po that an item under PESARO will not be released under Section 6 of the veto message.

1688
02:41:02,540 --> 02:41:12,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: How about, Madam Chair, distinguished colleagues, how about appropriations or line items introduced or amended by Congress?

1689
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:17,320
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can the Executive likewise refuse the release by invoking public interest?

1690
02:41:21,340 --> 02:41:39,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. Given that whichever was included in either the HGAB or the SGAB or the BICAM that was not there in the NEPFOS under new budgetary items or increases in appropriations, the same section holds po. So it is possible.

1691
02:41:39,580 --> 02:41:41,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, kung hindi po natin tatanggal,

1692
02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:48,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung hindi po natin tatanggalin yung provision, which okay naman na sinasabi ng DBM, willing silang tanggalin yung provision on suspension.

1693
02:41:51,320 --> 02:41:58,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: For 2026, bakit hindi po kasi, bakit hindi na lang veto ang nangyari?

1694
02:41:59,180 --> 02:42:05,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi parang nakakatakot po eh. Kung pagkatapos ba in-act ang GAA, pwede nang piliin ng Executive.

1695
02:42:05,680 --> 02:42:11,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Given this provision, pwede na pong piliin ng Executive kung alin ang ilalabas at alin ang hindi.

1696
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:22,380
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi simply ang hindi i-invoke at alin ang hindi simply by invoking public interest, hindi pa parang nire-rewrite na ng Executive ang GAA.

1697
02:42:42,000 --> 02:43:06,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, ang nangyari po kasi kung dumedetsa po kaagad sa veto, given the volume of the line items of the budget that would be affected by the condition,

1698
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:11,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which would be the increases in appropriations or the new budgetary items,

1699
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:22,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: maapektuhan po kasi yung essentially marami pong mga projects and programs and activities na madi-disallow kung dalesyo po tayo sa veto.

1700
02:43:22,520 --> 02:43:27,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang ginawa nilang po as a safeguard, sinubject nilang po doon sa iba't ibang mga kondisyon.

1701
02:43:28,140 --> 02:43:38,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So if straight to veto po kasi, ang mangyayari matatanggal po lahat sila so that would affect economic growth and government expenditure.

1702
02:43:38,620 --> 02:43:41,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po ba pwede, Madam Chair, na very...

1703
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:45,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Like you mentioned, very specific naman yung veto message.

1704
02:43:46,180 --> 02:43:52,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: It can be very specific where kung ano yung ayaw ng Presidente na provision, yun lang ang i-veto niya.

1705
02:43:59,820 --> 02:44:05,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And may I ask, bakit nyo po sinasabing maapektuhan ng economic growth?

1706
02:44:05,480 --> 02:44:11,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi parang ang sinasabi nyo, effectively, by saying that this will affect economic growth,

1707
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:15,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi ba nyo sinasabi na parang gagamitin natin ito as savings?

1708
02:44:17,800 --> 02:44:23,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Mr. Speaker, actually po yun po yung ginawa ng Presidente.

1709
02:44:23,260 --> 02:44:28,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nag-line veto lang po siya ng particular items doon po sa 2026 budget.

1710
02:44:29,480 --> 02:44:40,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But ito po is the veto message, the Section 6 of veto message specifically governs increases in appropriations and new budgetary items.

1711
02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:41,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Based on your answer lang, Madam Chair.

1712
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:44,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you very much, Mr. Presidente.

1713
02:44:44,000 --> 02:45:00,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Distinguished colleague, parang ang sinasabi nyo kasi, the reason why we introduced this provision is for the purpose na magkaroon ng flexibility yung Presidente para kung sakaling gagamitin niya, i-invoke niya yung public interest.

1714
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:01,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: interest na

1715
02:45:01,860 --> 02:45:03,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: provision, ay pwede pong

1716
02:45:03,960 --> 02:45:06,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: gamitin yung pera

1717
02:45:06,200 --> 02:45:07,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: at ilipat sa ibang

1718
02:45:07,780 --> 02:45:09,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: mga proyekto.

1719
02:45:15,480 --> 02:45:16,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: May time, please.

1720
02:45:18,460 --> 02:45:19,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pakitigil.

1721
02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:59,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, actually po kahit wala po itong provision na 'to, kahit wala po itong general provision na 'to, the President has the power vested by the Constitution to use savings.

1722
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:01,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Under Section 25,

1723
02:47:02,620 --> 02:47:04,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Subsection 5,

1724
02:47:04,380 --> 02:47:05,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Article 6 of the

1725
02:47:05,700 --> 02:47:07,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1987 Constitution,

1726
02:47:08,080 --> 02:47:09,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: no law shall be passed

1727
02:47:09,580 --> 02:47:11,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: authorizing any transfer

1728
02:47:11,280 --> 02:47:13,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of appropriations. However,

1729
02:47:13,880 --> 02:47:15,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the President, the President of the Senate,

1730
02:47:15,980 --> 02:47:17,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the Chief

1731
02:47:17,860 --> 02:47:19,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Justice of the Supreme Court, and the

1732
02:47:19,800 --> 02:47:21,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Heads of Constitutional Commissions

1733
02:47:21,340 --> 02:47:23,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: may, by law, be authorized

1734
02:47:23,940 --> 02:47:25,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to augment any item in the General

1735
02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:27,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Appropriations Law for their respective

1736
02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:29,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: offices from savings in other

1737
02:47:29,620 --> 02:47:31,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: items of their respective

1738
02:47:31,240 --> 02:47:33,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: appropriations. So, mayroon din pong

1739
02:47:33,380 --> 02:47:35,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: constitutional basis ito pong

1740
02:47:35,620 --> 02:47:37,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: use of savings ng Pangulo.

1741
02:47:39,240 --> 02:47:41,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Sige. Madam Chair,

1742
02:47:41,720 --> 02:47:43,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kapag, I'll just go

1743
02:47:43,080 --> 02:47:44,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: on to my next question, no?

1744
02:47:45,360 --> 02:47:46,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Diyan rin naman tayo pupunta.

1745
02:47:47,080 --> 02:47:49,280
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kapag pinatigil ang isang project under

1746
02:47:49,280 --> 02:47:51,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Section 78, is it

1747
02:47:51,420 --> 02:47:52,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: merely suspended

1748
02:47:52,360 --> 02:47:54,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: or is it finally

1749
02:47:54,520 --> 02:47:56,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: discontinued or abandoned?

1750
02:47:56,540 --> 02:47:58,280
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Is it finally discontinued?

1751
02:47:59,620 --> 02:48:11,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

1752
02:48:11,700 --> 02:48:14,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we base it on Section 78,

1753
02:48:14,660 --> 02:48:16,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it is merely suspended.

1754
02:48:16,740 --> 02:48:17,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It is not declared

1755
02:48:17,780 --> 02:48:20,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as abandoned or

1756
02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:22,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi pa naman po siya technically na

1757
02:48:22,060 --> 02:48:23,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: de-declare as a savings.

1758
02:48:23,860 --> 02:48:24,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, suspended lang po.

1759
02:48:25,300 --> 02:48:27,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, Madam Chair,

1760
02:48:27,320 --> 02:48:28,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: you agree that hindi po siya pwedeng

1761
02:48:28,820 --> 02:48:29,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: gamitin as savings?

1762
02:48:29,620 --> 02:48:31,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi suspended pa lang siya?

1763
02:48:32,280 --> 02:48:34,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Technically nga po, hindi din po siya

1764
02:48:34,320 --> 02:48:35,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pwede pang i-declare as savings

1765
02:48:35,820 --> 02:48:37,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kasi hindi pa siya na-release.

1766
02:48:37,300 --> 02:48:38,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Because for something to be declared

1767
02:48:38,740 --> 02:48:40,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as savings, it has to be,

1768
02:48:40,860 --> 02:48:42,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the SARA has to be released

1769
02:48:42,140 --> 02:48:43,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to a particular agency

1770
02:48:43,460 --> 02:48:45,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the agency has to give it up

1771
02:48:45,180 --> 02:48:46,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as savings. So,

1772
02:48:47,040 --> 02:48:49,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po posible na

1773
02:48:49,180 --> 02:48:51,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: maging savings dahil po

1774
02:48:51,200 --> 02:48:53,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa Section 78. So, merely

1775
02:48:53,320 --> 02:48:54,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: suspended lang po.

1776
02:48:56,220 --> 02:48:58,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ang specific kasi na nakasabi po

1777
02:48:58,540 --> 02:48:59,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa Arawlio,

1778
02:48:59,620 --> 02:49:01,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: stopping expenditure does not

1779
02:49:01,580 --> 02:49:03,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: automatically create savings.

1780
02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:05,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, if you subsequently

1781
02:49:05,820 --> 02:49:08,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: declare the unused amount as savings,

1782
02:49:09,380 --> 02:49:10,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: aren't you also

1783
02:49:10,100 --> 02:49:11,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: formally declaring that the project

1784
02:49:11,840 --> 02:49:13,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: has been finally discontinued

1785
02:49:13,580 --> 02:49:14,460
Rep. Roberto Nazal: or abandoned?

1786
02:49:17,280 --> 02:49:17,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam,

1787
02:49:18,360 --> 02:49:19,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

1788
02:49:19,740 --> 02:49:22,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: iba po yung suspension ng project

1789
02:49:22,180 --> 02:49:23,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa discontinuance.

1790
02:49:24,020 --> 02:49:25,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, sa Section 78 po,

1791
02:49:26,240 --> 02:49:27,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: suspension lang po.

1792
02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:29,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It still doesn't talk about the

1793
02:49:29,320 --> 02:49:31,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: discontinuance, which is the

1794
02:49:31,340 --> 02:49:33,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: prerequisite condition

1795
02:49:33,280 --> 02:49:35,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for something to be

1796
02:49:35,400 --> 02:49:36,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: declared as savings.

1797
02:49:37,020 --> 02:49:39,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, kailan po siya, from suspension,

1798
02:49:39,800 --> 02:49:41,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kailan siya nagiging savings?

1799
02:49:41,180 --> 02:49:41,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano yung procedure?

1800
02:49:51,980 --> 02:49:53,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And di ba po,

1801
02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:55,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: based sa Arawlio,

1802
02:49:55,820 --> 02:49:57,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: bawal po mag-suspend

1803
02:49:57,880 --> 02:49:58,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: before allotment.

1804
02:50:02,320 --> 02:50:03,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

1805
02:50:03,580 --> 02:50:05,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there are several steps

1806
02:50:05,700 --> 02:50:09,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for something to be declared

1807
02:50:09,580 --> 02:50:10,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as savings.

1808
02:50:10,860 --> 02:50:12,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, the first po,

1809
02:50:12,700 --> 02:50:14,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is for something to be released.

1810
02:50:15,300 --> 02:50:16,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun po yung number one.

1811
02:50:16,400 --> 02:50:18,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, kailangan po ma-release po muna yung SARO.

1812
02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:20,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, after that,

1813
02:50:21,280 --> 02:50:23,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: projects that have

1814
02:50:23,520 --> 02:50:24,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: been

1815
02:50:24,140 --> 02:50:27,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: released but have not been obligated

1816
02:50:27,560 --> 02:50:29,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a result of any

1817
02:50:29,080 --> 02:50:30,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the following conditions

1818
02:50:30,840 --> 02:50:33,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: can be declared as savings.

1819
02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:35,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, first condition po,

1820
02:50:35,800 --> 02:50:37,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it can completion,

1821
02:50:37,820 --> 02:50:39,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: final discontinuance,

1822
02:50:39,480 --> 02:50:41,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or abandonment of a program,

1823
02:50:41,240 --> 02:50:42,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: activity, or project for which

1824
02:50:42,760 --> 02:50:43,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the appropriation is authorized.

1825
02:50:44,600 --> 02:50:46,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Or, the second po would be

1826
02:50:46,440 --> 02:50:48,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: implementation of measures resulting

1827
02:50:48,200 --> 02:50:50,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in improved systems and efficiencies

1828
02:50:50,480 --> 02:50:52,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and thus enabled an agency

1829
02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:54,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to meet and deliver the required

1830
02:50:54,280 --> 02:50:56,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or planned targets, programs,

1831
02:50:56,180 --> 02:50:57,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and services approved in this Act

1832
02:50:57,640 --> 02:50:58,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at a lesser cost.

1833
02:50:58,780 --> 02:50:59,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, it's either

1834
02:50:59,580 --> 02:51:01,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there were efficiencies

1835
02:51:01,240 --> 02:51:03,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were realized

1836
02:51:03,360 --> 02:51:05,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or a project was considered

1837
02:51:05,380 --> 02:51:07,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: abandoned or

1838
02:51:07,220 --> 02:51:10,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ruled as final discontinuance.

1839
02:51:10,400 --> 02:51:11,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Section 84 po ito

1840
02:51:11,820 --> 02:51:13,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng General Provisions.

1841
02:51:16,740 --> 02:51:19,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung suspension po ba

1842
02:51:19,100 --> 02:51:21,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay pwedeng eventually

1843
02:51:21,240 --> 02:51:23,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: maging savings?

1844
02:51:28,780 --> 02:51:33,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, technically po, hindi.

1845
02:51:34,100 --> 02:51:35,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po, pag sinuspend po

1846
02:51:35,820 --> 02:51:37,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung isang project, ibig sabihin po,

1847
02:51:37,720 --> 02:51:39,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po marirelease yung

1848
02:51:39,420 --> 02:51:41,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SARO niya in the first place,

1849
02:51:41,740 --> 02:51:44,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which is the first step

1850
02:51:44,120 --> 02:51:46,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for something to be considered

1851
02:51:46,340 --> 02:51:47,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: eventually as a saving.

1852
02:51:48,360 --> 02:51:49,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, hindi po,

1853
02:51:50,320 --> 02:51:52,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pag suspended po, wala pong posibilidad

1854
02:51:52,140 --> 02:51:53,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na ma-declare siya bilang savings.

1855
02:51:57,460 --> 02:51:58,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung ang project na ito,

1856
02:51:58,540 --> 02:51:59,260
Rep. Roberto Nazal: project po ay

1857
02:51:59,260 --> 02:52:00,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: implementation ready naman

1858
02:52:00,820 --> 02:52:02,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: at pinatigil lang

1859
02:52:02,820 --> 02:52:04,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: because of public interest

1860
02:52:04,300 --> 02:52:04,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: so requires,

1861
02:52:06,840 --> 02:52:07,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi siya pwede maging,

1862
02:52:07,860 --> 02:52:08,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pwede ba siya maging savings?

1863
02:52:14,120 --> 02:52:16,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For, if we're going back po

1864
02:52:16,540 --> 02:52:18,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to Section 78,

1865
02:52:18,660 --> 02:52:19,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

1866
02:52:19,860 --> 02:52:21,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where public,

1867
02:52:22,160 --> 02:52:23,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: when public interest

1868
02:52:23,960 --> 02:52:25,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so requires,

1869
02:52:25,620 --> 02:52:27,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: was set forth as a condition,

1870
02:52:27,900 --> 02:52:28,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po.

1871
02:52:28,540 --> 02:52:31,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, dahil yung Section 78 po

1872
02:52:31,100 --> 02:52:33,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay tumutukoy lang po

1873
02:52:33,940 --> 02:52:34,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa suspension,

1874
02:52:34,980 --> 02:52:36,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po sa release.

1875
02:52:37,160 --> 02:52:38,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya hindi po,

1876
02:52:38,580 --> 02:52:40,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dahil po suspended, wala pong SARO,

1877
02:52:41,400 --> 02:52:42,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kaya po later on,

1878
02:52:42,660 --> 02:52:44,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi rin po pwedeng i-declare as savings.

1879
02:52:47,180 --> 02:52:47,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair,

1880
02:52:49,000 --> 02:52:50,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi pwedeng suspended

1881
02:52:50,300 --> 02:52:53,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kapag tinanong natin kung bakit pinatigil.

1882
02:52:53,680 --> 02:52:54,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero abandoned

1883
02:52:54,580 --> 02:52:56,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: naman kapag kailangan yung gumawa

1884
02:52:56,680 --> 02:52:57,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng savings.

1885
02:52:57,200 --> 02:52:57,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So,

1886
02:52:58,540 --> 02:53:01,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ano ba talaga?

1887
02:53:02,600 --> 02:53:03,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Magkaiba po,

1888
02:53:03,840 --> 02:53:04,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

1889
02:53:04,840 --> 02:53:06,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if I may draw the distinction.

1890
02:53:06,920 --> 02:53:09,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, if a project is suspended,

1891
02:53:09,760 --> 02:53:11,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the SARO was not released

1892
02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:12,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the first place.

1893
02:53:12,100 --> 02:53:14,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, there is no ongoing project

1894
02:53:14,020 --> 02:53:16,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to be declared as discontinued.

1895
02:53:17,600 --> 02:53:19,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, magkaiba po yun.

1896
02:53:19,700 --> 02:53:21,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If I may draw the distinction,

1897
02:53:21,760 --> 02:53:22,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

1898
02:53:22,880 --> 02:53:24,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if something is suspended,

1899
02:53:25,260 --> 02:53:26,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: wala pong

1900
02:53:26,340 --> 02:53:28,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SARO na na-release,

1901
02:53:28,540 --> 02:53:30,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: wala pong project na pwedeng i-declare

1902
02:53:30,860 --> 02:53:32,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as discontinued.

1903
02:53:32,520 --> 02:53:34,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in effect po, wala din pong pwedeng

1904
02:53:34,980 --> 02:53:36,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: project na

1905
02:53:36,260 --> 02:53:39,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pwedeng i-declare as savings.

1906
02:53:39,300 --> 02:53:41,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, magkaiba po, just to draw the distinction po,

1907
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:42,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker.

1908
02:53:42,540 --> 02:53:44,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: But based on Arawlio, Madam Chair,

1909
02:53:46,380 --> 02:53:47,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: distinguished colleague,

1910
02:53:48,080 --> 02:53:49,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: bawal po i-suspend

1911
02:53:49,560 --> 02:53:51,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang project

1912
02:53:51,860 --> 02:53:53,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng walang SARO.

1913
02:53:56,100 --> 02:53:57,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Very clear po yun.

1914
02:53:58,540 --> 02:54:03,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, if I may po,

1915
02:54:03,580 --> 02:54:05,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the Arawlio

1916
02:54:05,160 --> 02:54:06,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ruling po,

1917
02:54:07,020 --> 02:54:09,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it says na bawal pong

1918
02:54:09,340 --> 02:54:11,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: i-declare

1919
02:54:11,760 --> 02:54:13,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: my apologies, bawal pong

1920
02:54:13,340 --> 02:54:15,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: i-declare as savings

1921
02:54:15,460 --> 02:54:17,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hanggang walang

1922
02:54:17,360 --> 02:54:19,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SARO release. Wala pong nare-release

1923
02:54:19,620 --> 02:54:21,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na SARO. So, it's not actually

1924
02:54:21,560 --> 02:54:25,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of suspension,

1925
02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:27,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it actually talks about the prohibition

1926
02:54:27,340 --> 02:54:28,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of declaring

1927
02:54:28,640 --> 02:54:31,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: savings for a project

1928
02:54:31,640 --> 02:54:33,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or a discontinued project for which

1929
02:54:33,720 --> 02:54:35,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a SARO has not been released.

1930
02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:39,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: In Arawlio,

1931
02:54:40,080 --> 02:54:41,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: if you will look at the

1932
02:54:41,220 --> 02:54:49,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: It includes suspension po,

1933
02:54:50,040 --> 02:54:50,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair.

1934
02:54:53,120 --> 02:54:55,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, we'll just pull up

1935
02:54:55,740 --> 02:54:56,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the

1936
02:54:56,140 --> 02:54:58,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actual document for Arawlio.

1937
02:54:59,960 --> 02:55:01,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If we may request po

1938
02:55:01,420 --> 02:55:02,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for a few

1939
02:55:02,400 --> 02:55:04,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: seconds.

1940
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:44,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, if we may request

1941
02:55:44,620 --> 02:55:46,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for a moment

1942
02:55:46,840 --> 02:55:48,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of suspension po for us just to be able

1943
02:55:48,760 --> 02:55:50,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to pull the exact wordings from the Arawlio

1944
02:55:50,880 --> 02:55:52,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: jurisprudence.

1945
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:53,100
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Session suspended.

1946
03:00:06,200 --> 03:00:11,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, we're ready po.

1947
03:00:11,700 --> 03:00:13,900
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Session is resumed.

1948
03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:16,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, if I may respond to our distinguished colleague.

1949
03:00:16,300 --> 03:00:27,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So looking at the Araulio jurisprudence, it defines the terminology that would allow for the use of savings.

1950
03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:45,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If I may read out, just if you would allow me, Section 60, Section 54, and Section 53 of the General Provisions of the 2011, 2012, and 2013 GAAS, respectively, contemplate three sources of savings.

1951
03:00:45,400 --> 03:00:48,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So dinidefine po yung tatlong sources ng savings.

1952
03:00:49,280 --> 03:00:56,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: First, there can be savings when there are funds still available after completion of work, activity, or project,

1953
03:00:56,080 --> 03:01:01,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which means there are excess funds remaining after the work, activity, or project is completed.

1954
03:01:02,200 --> 03:01:08,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There can also be savings when there is final discontinuance of the work, activity, or project,

1955
03:01:08,960 --> 03:01:17,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which means that there are funds remaining after work, activity, or project was started but finally discontinued before completion.

1956
03:01:18,080 --> 03:01:24,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: To illustrate, a bridge halfway completed is destroyed by floods or earthquake and thus finally discontinued

1957
03:01:24,320 --> 03:01:26,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the remaining funds are not sufficient.

1958
03:01:26,080 --> 03:01:35,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Here, the funds are obligated but the remaining funds are deobligated upon final discontinuance of the project.

1959
03:01:35,560 --> 03:01:43,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: On the other hand, abandonment means the work, activity, or project can no longer be started because of lack of time to obligate the funds,

1960
03:01:44,220 --> 03:01:47,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: resulting in the physical impossibility to obligate the funds.

1961
03:01:48,060 --> 03:01:55,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: This happens when a month or two before the end of the fiscal year, there is no more time to conduct a public bidding to obligate the funds.

1962
03:01:55,200 --> 03:02:01,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The funds are not and can no longer be obligated and thus will constitute savings.

1963
03:02:01,800 --> 03:02:05,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Dito po tayo sa last sentence mag-align.

1964
03:02:05,960 --> 03:02:17,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, final discontinuance or abandonment excludes suspension or temporary stoppage of the work, activity, or the project.

1965
03:02:17,600 --> 03:02:25,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Suspension, as it is referred to here in the Arroyo jurisprudence,

1966
03:02:25,960 --> 03:02:31,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is the whole phrase po, suspension or temporary stoppage of the work, activity, or project.

1967
03:02:31,380 --> 03:02:41,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So it is not the same suspension that is talked about in Section 78 of the General Provision.

1968
03:02:41,600 --> 03:02:44,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po yun ang tinatanong ko, Madam Chair.

1969
03:02:45,000 --> 03:02:54,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: What I was asking is, you replied earlier that the President has the power, can exercise the power to suspend

1970
03:02:54,900 --> 03:02:55,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: even before the end of the fiscal year.

1971
03:02:55,820 --> 03:02:55,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Even before the end of the fiscal year.

1972
03:02:55,840 --> 03:02:57,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Even before allotment.

1973
03:02:57,820 --> 03:03:08,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ang very clear po na sinasabi sa Arroyo is that the President cannot exercise the power to suspend or stop expenditure under Section 38

1974
03:03:08,680 --> 03:03:15,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: towards appropriations as funds for it have yet to be released and allotted.

1975
03:03:16,660 --> 03:03:21,300
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Chair would like to remind Honorable Nazal, your time has expired.

1976
03:03:21,640 --> 03:03:23,060
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Please wrap up your interpellation.

1977
03:03:25,840 --> 03:03:27,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Maantay ko lang po yung sagot nila, Mr. Chair.

1978
03:06:48,660 --> 03:06:55,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, we found the paragraph that Representative Nazal was referring to. If I may draw attention to a particular line which says Section 38 cannot be used by the President to stop permanently the expenditure of unobligated appropriated funds because that would amount to presidential power to impound funds appropriated in the GAA.

1979
03:06:55,840 --> 03:07:25,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At yung nire-refer po ni Cong Robert is the next line: the President has no power to impound unobligated funds in the GAA. The operative word here po would be unobligated funds, and if something is categorized as unobligated, ibig sabihin po na-release na po iyon.

1980
03:07:25,840 --> 03:07:55,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So it's different from something that has not been released. So ibig sabihin, the operative term here is that the President has no power to impound funds in the GAA that have been released but not yet obligated.

1981
03:07:55,840 --> 03:08:25,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That's why in the succeeding sentences in the same paragraph the ruling reiterated the two reasons as also outlined in Section 84 on declaration of savings. So yun po, siguro po yung key doon: unobligated means it has already been released.

1982
03:08:25,840 --> 03:08:28,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So kailangan may SARO na. Kailangan po may SARO na.

1983
03:08:28,800 --> 03:08:34,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So only pag may SARO na, doon lang pwedeng i-invoke?

1984
03:08:34,500 --> 03:08:42,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, yung use of savings po. The suspension applies to

1985
03:08:42,000 --> 03:08:46,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: unreleased funds.

1986
03:08:46,300 --> 03:08:55,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And for those that are obligated, sorry, released, yun na po yung naggo-govern yung use of savings.

1987
03:08:55,840 --> 03:09:01,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So only those which are allotted, or may allotment, ang pwedeng i-suspend?

1988
03:09:01,200 --> 03:09:15,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I-declare as savings po, not suspend. Ang pwede lang pong i-suspend ay yung hindi pa released, pero ang pwede lang pong i-declare as savings ay yung released na po, meaning may allotment na po.

1989
03:09:15,000 --> 03:09:19,200
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: All right. Honorable Nazal, your time is up.

1990
03:09:19,200 --> 03:09:25,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I just like to reiterate. Ang nakalagay po kasi sa Araulio

1991
03:09:25,840 --> 03:09:40,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the President cannot exercise the power to suspend or stop expenditure under Section 38 towards appropriations as funds for it have yet to be released and allotted.

1992
03:09:40,640 --> 03:09:42,870
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Final from the Chair.

1993
03:09:42,870 --> 03:09:55,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes po, to that point, the President cannot declare something as savings. Cannot suspend, because something has

1994
03:09:55,840 --> 03:09:58,250
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung...

1995
03:09:58,250 --> 03:10:04,160
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: So your time is up. Thank you so much, Majority Leader.

1996
03:10:04,160 --> 03:10:13,620
Floor Leader: Mr. Speaker, may we recognize the Honorable [unclear] of ACT Teachers Party-list for his interpellation.

1997
03:10:13,620 --> 03:10:22,840
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The honorable member of ACT Teachers is recognized. Please proceed.

1998
03:10:25,840 --> 03:10:28,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

1999
03:10:30,080 --> 03:10:34,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Meron po tayong PowerPoint as aid in our interpellation.

2000
03:10:36,480 --> 03:10:39,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If the sponsor will allow.

2001
03:10:42,520 --> 03:10:42,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes.

2002
03:10:44,100 --> 03:10:46,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If the majority leader po would allow.

2003
03:10:46,840 --> 03:10:47,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pintayin lang po natin.

2004
03:10:48,660 --> 03:10:49,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pakistop muna.

2005
03:10:49,460 --> 03:10:50,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan, okay.

2006
03:10:50,660 --> 03:10:50,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright.

2007
03:10:50,860 --> 03:10:55,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, medyo historical po ang ating...

2008
03:10:55,840 --> 03:10:57,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: approach dito.

2009
03:10:57,360 --> 03:11:08,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, tinignan po natin yung budget from General Appropriations Act and NEP from 2016 to 2026 and of course the proposed for 2027.

2010
03:11:08,800 --> 03:11:11,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang unang pag-usapan po natin, yung usapin ng debt.

2011
03:11:12,880 --> 03:11:13,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Utang.

2012
03:11:14,840 --> 03:11:19,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ayan na, nasa laman ng balita na papalaki ng papalaki ang utang ng bansa.

2013
03:11:20,640 --> 03:11:22,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, gaano kalaki ang paglaki?

2014
03:11:22,680 --> 03:11:22,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2015
03:11:23,040 --> 03:11:23,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2016.

2016
03:11:24,720 --> 03:11:25,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang...

2017
03:11:25,840 --> 03:11:30,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: outstanding national debt was 6.09 trillion.

2018
03:11:30,300 --> 03:11:31,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That was 2016.

2019
03:11:32,160 --> 03:11:40,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And by 2026, yung pangalawa, sa kanan, 19.7 trillion projected.

2020
03:11:40,300 --> 03:11:43,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi pa po tapos ang 2026.

2021
03:11:43,240 --> 03:11:49,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And for 2027, it is projected to be 21.48 trillion.

2022
03:11:49,880 --> 03:11:55,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Notably po, parang lumaki talaga or unang malaking talon was in...

2023
03:11:55,840 --> 03:11:56,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2020.

2024
03:11:57,640 --> 03:11:58,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The debt.

2025
03:11:58,560 --> 03:12:02,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: From 7.7 trillion, naging 9.8 trillion.

2026
03:12:03,820 --> 03:12:08,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, mula noon, if you're looking at the trends, ay tuloy-tuloy po.

2027
03:12:09,100 --> 03:12:09,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Steeper.

2028
03:12:09,840 --> 03:12:16,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: You can see a much steeper rise from 2020 onwards up to the present.

2029
03:12:17,160 --> 03:12:21,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano po ang explanation ng ating mga economic managers?

2030
03:12:21,340 --> 03:12:24,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Why was it that from 2020 onwards, ay...

2031
03:12:25,840 --> 03:12:31,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: naging mas pambihira o mas malaki ang paglaki ng utang?

2032
03:12:49,920 --> 03:12:51,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung oras po.

2033
03:12:55,270 --> 03:12:57,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dapat pala, binabantayan yung oras dito.

2034
03:16:24,840 --> 03:16:31,950
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, my apologies. It took us and the [unclear] family some time to pull out the historical data.

2035
03:16:31,950 --> 03:16:33,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So for actual debt as a percentage of nominal GDP,

2036
03:16:34,080 --> 03:16:37,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tama po yung binanggit ni Representative Tinio

2037
03:16:37,140 --> 03:16:42,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na malaki po yung tinaas sa pagitan po ng 2019 and 2020.

2038
03:16:42,560 --> 03:16:46,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang dahilan po dito ay yung COVID response na ating gobyerno.

2039
03:16:46,400 --> 03:16:49,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So umutang po ng malaki yung ating gobyerno.

2040
03:16:50,060 --> 03:16:53,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tumaas po yung ating actual debt as a percentage of nominal GDP

2041
03:16:53,060 --> 03:16:59,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: from 39.6% in 2019 up to 54.6% in 2020.

2042
03:17:00,000 --> 03:17:05,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And thereafter po, binabayada na po natin yung mga interest payments

2043
03:17:05,100 --> 03:17:09,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at yung maturity po noong mga inutang natin noong 2019.

2044
03:17:09,420 --> 03:17:13,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So yun po yung dahilan kung bakit napaka laki po noong talon

2045
03:17:13,500 --> 03:17:17,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong ating debt servicing simula po 2019.

2046
03:17:17,800 --> 03:17:19,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, and let us note yung sinabi nyo,

2047
03:17:19,920 --> 03:17:27,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in 2019, debt to GDP ratio was at 39.6%.

2048
03:17:27,560 --> 03:17:28,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 39.6%.

2049
03:17:28,120 --> 03:17:29,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But currently, it's already,

2050
03:17:30,000 --> 03:17:31,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: around 65%.

2051
03:17:31,580 --> 03:17:37,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: As of 2026 po, 66%.

2052
03:17:37,440 --> 03:17:38,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 66%.

2053
03:17:38,680 --> 03:17:43,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So lagpas na po dun sa usual benchmark, di ba?

2054
03:17:44,660 --> 03:17:45,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And even that benchmark,

2055
03:17:45,940 --> 03:17:47,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I have something to say about that benchmark.

2056
03:17:48,080 --> 03:17:50,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kasi iba na yung sinasabing benchmark ng DOF ngayon

2057
03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:53,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kumpara noong, naalala ko to,

2058
03:17:53,200 --> 03:17:55,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: noong una kaming nasa kongreso ni Kong Alvarez eh,

2059
03:17:55,860 --> 03:17:56,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na nakikita ko,

2060
03:17:59,120 --> 03:17:59,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sina,

2061
03:18:00,000 --> 03:18:00,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: purisima?

2062
03:18:00,880 --> 03:18:01,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Iba eh.

2063
03:18:01,880 --> 03:18:02,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, but anyway.

2064
03:18:03,020 --> 03:18:03,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

2065
03:18:04,380 --> 03:18:06,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if I may clarify lang po,

2066
03:18:06,340 --> 03:18:07,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: what we use against the benchmark

2067
03:18:07,980 --> 03:18:11,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is not the actual debt as a percentage of nominal GDP

2068
03:18:11,760 --> 03:18:14,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as stated in the presentation.

2069
03:18:14,240 --> 03:18:16,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Rather, it's general government debt

2070
03:18:16,260 --> 03:18:17,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a percentage of GDP.

2071
03:18:18,100 --> 03:18:20,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And if we look at general government debt,

2072
03:18:20,940 --> 03:18:25,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it's only at 58.6 for 2026.

2073
03:18:25,940 --> 03:18:27,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So it's below the benchmark po.

2074
03:18:27,540 --> 03:18:28,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright, alright.

2075
03:18:28,860 --> 03:18:29,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sige.

2076
03:18:29,040 --> 03:18:32,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So depende pala kung anong pipiliin nating benchmark.

2077
03:18:32,300 --> 03:18:32,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, but anyway,

2078
03:18:33,640 --> 03:18:35,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: we'll have more on that I suppose

2079
03:18:35,400 --> 03:18:36,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: when DOF comes.

2080
03:18:37,540 --> 03:18:39,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But, so papalaki ang utang.

2081
03:18:39,640 --> 03:18:40,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So ang explanation,

2082
03:18:40,740 --> 03:18:43,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kinailangan ng umutang na malaki dahil sa COVID response

2083
03:18:43,380 --> 03:18:44,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: at mula noon,

2084
03:18:45,180 --> 03:18:46,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kailangan bayaran.

2085
03:18:46,160 --> 03:18:47,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So kaya lumalaki lalo.

2086
03:18:48,120 --> 03:18:49,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Parang ganun yung paliwanag.

2087
03:18:49,640 --> 03:18:51,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Anyway, this is the reality.

2088
03:18:51,500 --> 03:18:52,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If you go to the next table,

2089
03:18:54,540 --> 03:18:55,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: consequently,

2090
03:18:57,160 --> 03:18:58,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: next table,

2091
03:18:58,000 --> 03:18:59,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: wala na po.

2092
03:19:00,100 --> 03:19:03,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: This is just a graph to visualize the debt payment.

2093
03:19:04,660 --> 03:19:06,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yung pag, obviously,

2094
03:19:06,500 --> 03:19:07,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: lumalaki ang utang,

2095
03:19:07,280 --> 03:19:08,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: lumalaki ang debt payment.

2096
03:19:09,160 --> 03:19:12,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yung blue is principal amortization

2097
03:19:12,400 --> 03:19:15,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and orange is interest payments.

2098
03:19:16,140 --> 03:19:17,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So in 2016,

2099
03:19:18,980 --> 03:19:21,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: total debt payments were,

2100
03:19:22,200 --> 03:19:22,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: can you imagine,

2101
03:19:23,260 --> 03:19:25,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 790 million,

2102
03:19:25,900 --> 03:19:26,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: a billion pesos.

2103
03:19:26,980 --> 03:19:27,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So 790,

2104
03:19:28,000 --> 03:19:29,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 20 billion pesos.

2105
03:19:29,900 --> 03:19:31,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero ngayon pong,

2106
03:19:31,640 --> 03:19:34,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2026,

2107
03:19:35,720 --> 03:19:37,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2.05 trillion.

2108
03:19:37,540 --> 03:19:39,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And for 2027,

2109
03:19:39,740 --> 03:19:41,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it's projected to be at

2110
03:19:41,340 --> 03:19:44,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2.7 trillion pesos.

2111
03:19:44,800 --> 03:19:45,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yung

2112
03:19:45,000 --> 03:19:47,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: stands to reason,

2113
03:19:47,200 --> 03:19:48,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: dahil mas malaki ang utang,

2114
03:19:48,180 --> 03:19:49,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: mas malaki ang babayaran.

2115
03:19:50,700 --> 03:19:52,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi na po kailangan ng response.

2116
03:19:53,080 --> 03:19:53,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Basta,

2117
03:19:54,300 --> 03:19:55,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tama po ba yan?

2118
03:19:55,400 --> 03:19:55,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung figures.

2119
03:19:55,960 --> 03:19:57,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That for 2026,

2120
03:19:58,000 --> 03:20:02,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 25 principal and interest payments,

2121
03:20:02,520 --> 03:20:03,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2.05 trillion,

2122
03:20:03,960 --> 03:20:05,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and then 2.7 trillion.

2123
03:20:12,540 --> 03:20:13,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

2124
03:20:14,000 --> 03:20:15,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we may clarify po,

2125
03:20:15,460 --> 03:20:18,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the figures presented by the Honorable Tinio

2126
03:20:18,740 --> 03:20:22,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are not debt servicing figures.

2127
03:20:23,260 --> 03:20:23,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Rather,

2128
03:20:24,220 --> 03:20:27,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these are gross borrowings po.

2129
03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:30,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2130
03:20:30,840 --> 03:20:31,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well,

2131
03:20:32,760 --> 03:20:34,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kinuha natin ito sa BESF

2132
03:20:34,580 --> 03:20:36,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and their principal amortization

2133
03:20:36,680 --> 03:20:37,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and interest payments.

2134
03:20:39,280 --> 03:20:39,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di po ba?

2135
03:20:41,320 --> 03:20:43,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung nabanggit po,

2136
03:20:43,280 --> 03:20:44,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dito po sa chart,

2137
03:20:44,420 --> 03:20:46,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay gross borrowings po.

2138
03:20:47,140 --> 03:20:49,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung interest payments po,

2139
03:20:49,300 --> 03:20:52,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mas mababa po.

2140
03:20:52,880 --> 03:20:54,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For 2016,

2141
03:20:55,380 --> 03:20:55,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sorry,

2142
03:20:55,700 --> 03:20:57,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for 2026 po,

2143
03:20:57,260 --> 03:20:57,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yun na lang po,

2144
03:20:57,780 --> 03:20:59,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: siguro yung ikumpa na natin.

2145
03:20:59,420 --> 03:20:59,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay.

2146
03:20:59,780 --> 03:21:01,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Instead of the 2 point,

2147
03:21:01,020 --> 03:21:03,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as compared to the 2.05 trillion

2148
03:21:03,780 --> 03:21:05,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in gross borrowings,

2149
03:21:05,780 --> 03:21:06,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay.

2150
03:21:06,280 --> 03:21:10,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P995 billion po.

2151
03:21:10,020 --> 03:21:12,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then for 2027,

2152
03:21:12,660 --> 03:21:13,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang projected po,

2153
03:21:13,780 --> 03:21:16,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as compared to the 2.7 trillion

2154
03:21:16,540 --> 03:21:18,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in gross borrowings,

2155
03:21:18,020 --> 03:21:21,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.11 trillion pesos po.

2156
03:21:21,820 --> 03:21:22,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes.

2157
03:21:22,320 --> 03:21:24,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If the,

2158
03:21:24,320 --> 03:21:26,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwede pong i-

2159
03:21:26,320 --> 03:21:28,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: i-highlight yung

2160
03:21:28,820 --> 03:21:29,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung orange part.

2161
03:21:30,820 --> 03:21:31,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan yun.

2162
03:21:31,280 --> 03:21:31,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Bakit yung,

2163
03:21:31,880 --> 03:21:32,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the figures you mentioned,

2164
03:21:33,000 --> 03:21:33,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the orange part,

2165
03:21:33,820 --> 03:21:35,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that's 1.11 trillion.

2166
03:21:35,720 --> 03:21:37,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That's the interest payments.

2167
03:21:38,160 --> 03:21:38,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2168
03:21:38,420 --> 03:21:38,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos,

2169
03:21:39,200 --> 03:21:40,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in 2026,

2170
03:21:42,380 --> 03:21:44,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that's 995 trillion.

2171
03:21:45,120 --> 03:21:45,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So,

2172
03:21:45,980 --> 03:21:46,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: we're talking,

2173
03:21:46,580 --> 03:21:47,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: we're using the same figures here.

2174
03:21:48,220 --> 03:21:48,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay.

2175
03:21:48,920 --> 03:21:50,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: My apologies po.

2176
03:21:50,320 --> 03:21:51,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo nahirapan po kami.

2177
03:21:51,440 --> 03:21:52,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang liit po kasi ng numbers.

2178
03:21:53,320 --> 03:21:53,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I think,

2179
03:21:53,940 --> 03:21:54,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang nangyari po,

2180
03:21:55,000 --> 03:21:56,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in-add po yung interest,

2181
03:21:56,320 --> 03:21:57,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments at yung

2182
03:21:57,820 --> 03:21:59,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: amortization po.

2183
03:22:00,420 --> 03:22:00,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po.

2184
03:22:01,080 --> 03:22:02,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in-add po yung column

2185
03:22:02,460 --> 03:22:03,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng interest payments

2186
03:22:03,460 --> 03:22:04,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and principal payments.

2187
03:22:04,780 --> 03:22:05,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes.

2188
03:22:05,320 --> 03:22:05,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay.

2189
03:22:05,580 --> 03:22:05,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That's correct.

2190
03:22:05,940 --> 03:22:06,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sige po.

2191
03:22:06,380 --> 03:22:07,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We have,

2192
03:22:07,200 --> 03:22:07,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we're aligned po.

2193
03:22:08,400 --> 03:22:08,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We're aligned.

2194
03:22:08,740 --> 03:22:09,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We're aligned.

2195
03:22:10,220 --> 03:22:11,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Our apologies,

2196
03:22:11,300 --> 03:22:12,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sobrang liit po

2197
03:22:12,140 --> 03:22:13,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kasi hindi talaga naman makita.

2198
03:22:13,280 --> 03:22:13,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ang datos natin.

2199
03:22:13,860 --> 03:22:14,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun lang po ang point.

2200
03:22:14,820 --> 03:22:15,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

2201
03:22:15,660 --> 03:22:15,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So,

2202
03:22:16,240 --> 03:22:17,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: para maintindihan ng publiko,

2203
03:22:17,980 --> 03:22:20,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: magkano yung binabayaran,

2204
03:22:20,100 --> 03:22:21,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: binabayaran at babayaran

2205
03:22:21,440 --> 03:22:22,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: nating utang.

2206
03:22:22,620 --> 03:22:22,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So,

2207
03:22:22,780 --> 03:22:24,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: principal and interest payments

2208
03:22:24,520 --> 03:22:25,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for 2027,

2209
03:22:27,120 --> 03:22:28,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa proposed budget,

2210
03:22:28,140 --> 03:22:28,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: aabot yan sa

2211
03:22:28,760 --> 03:22:30,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2.7 trillion pesos.

2212
03:22:30,860 --> 03:22:31,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun lang po yung point natin.

2213
03:22:32,580 --> 03:22:32,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2214
03:22:33,780 --> 03:22:34,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now,

2215
03:22:35,380 --> 03:22:35,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of course,

2216
03:22:36,080 --> 03:22:36,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: napakalaki.

2217
03:22:37,700 --> 03:22:38,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Imagine.

2218
03:22:38,300 --> 03:22:39,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos, alam natin,

2219
03:22:39,980 --> 03:22:41,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung principal amortization,

2220
03:22:41,380 --> 03:22:42,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: di na nga kasama yan sa ano eh.

2221
03:22:43,620 --> 03:22:46,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa GAA na ina-aprobahan natin.

2222
03:22:46,540 --> 03:22:47,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Automatic yan.

2223
03:22:47,660 --> 03:22:47,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

2224
03:22:48,300 --> 03:22:49,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Even the interest payments.

2225
03:22:50,260 --> 03:22:50,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

2226
03:22:51,300 --> 03:22:51,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, labas pa to

2227
03:22:51,980 --> 03:22:53,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: dun sa 7.2 trillion.

2228
03:22:55,000 --> 03:22:55,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Na,

2229
03:22:55,960 --> 03:22:56,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pinapakasama,

2230
03:22:56,320 --> 03:22:57,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ipa-aprubahan sa atin.

2231
03:22:57,980 --> 03:22:58,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

2232
03:22:59,380 --> 03:22:59,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon,

2233
03:23:00,620 --> 03:23:01,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: napakalaking utang.

2234
03:23:02,960 --> 03:23:04,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Napakalaking binabayaran.

2235
03:23:04,980 --> 03:23:06,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang tanong po ngayon,

2236
03:23:07,880 --> 03:23:08,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: well,

2237
03:23:09,300 --> 03:23:10,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tignan natin yung budget.

2238
03:23:10,480 --> 03:23:11,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: First of all,

2239
03:23:11,720 --> 03:23:12,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: how much of our budget

2240
03:23:12,960 --> 03:23:14,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: is funded by debt?

2241
03:23:15,380 --> 03:23:15,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ibig sabihin,

2242
03:23:16,020 --> 03:23:17,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: deficit spending.

2243
03:23:17,600 --> 03:23:17,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

2244
03:23:18,340 --> 03:23:18,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2245
03:23:18,880 --> 03:23:20,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, that's the next table.

2246
03:23:21,120 --> 03:23:22,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yan po yung budget

2247
03:23:22,060 --> 03:23:23,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and then yung blue,

2248
03:23:24,060 --> 03:23:25,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the orange part,

2249
03:23:25,020 --> 03:23:26,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that's the deficit part.

2250
03:23:26,320 --> 03:23:28,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, obviously,

2251
03:23:29,080 --> 03:23:29,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: papalaki na rin

2252
03:23:29,980 --> 03:23:31,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from 2020 onwards,

2253
03:23:32,640 --> 03:23:34,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: papalaki na rin yung

2254
03:23:34,020 --> 03:23:35,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: total of the

2255
03:23:35,600 --> 03:23:36,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: GAA

2256
03:23:36,740 --> 03:23:38,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: funded by debt.

2257
03:23:39,400 --> 03:23:39,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

2258
03:23:40,340 --> 03:23:40,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So,

2259
03:23:41,680 --> 03:23:43,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in the case of

2260
03:23:43,080 --> 03:23:45,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2026,

2261
03:23:46,740 --> 03:23:47,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the current budget,

2262
03:23:48,560 --> 03:23:49,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 24%

2263
03:23:49,720 --> 03:23:50,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: is deficit,

2264
03:23:51,140 --> 03:23:51,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: deficit,

2265
03:23:51,960 --> 03:23:54,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: will be funded by

2266
03:23:54,340 --> 03:23:55,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: deficit payment.

2267
03:23:55,320 --> 03:23:55,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Deficit payment.

2268
03:23:56,320 --> 03:23:57,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: O, deficit spending.

2269
03:23:58,380 --> 03:24:00,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 1.6 trillion pesos.

2270
03:24:01,580 --> 03:24:02,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then,

2271
03:24:03,180 --> 03:24:03,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for

2272
03:24:03,580 --> 03:24:05,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2027,

2273
03:24:06,100 --> 03:24:06,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: proposed budget,

2274
03:24:07,000 --> 03:24:07,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ganun din,

2275
03:24:07,480 --> 03:24:09,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: around 1.69 trillion.

2276
03:24:10,960 --> 03:24:11,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba?

2277
03:24:12,460 --> 03:24:13,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Whereas, in 2016,

2278
03:24:14,880 --> 03:24:17,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in 2016,

2279
03:24:18,360 --> 03:24:20,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: total of 13%

2280
03:24:20,140 --> 03:24:21,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of the budget

2281
03:24:21,040 --> 03:24:23,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: was funded by debt.

2282
03:24:23,780 --> 03:24:24,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung deficit spending.

2283
03:24:24,860 --> 03:24:25,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016,

2284
03:24:26,320 --> 03:24:27,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung 27,

2285
03:24:27,160 --> 03:24:29,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it will be 24%

2286
03:24:29,060 --> 03:24:29,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of total budget.

2287
03:24:29,900 --> 03:24:30,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun po yung point natin.

2288
03:24:31,780 --> 03:24:32,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, almost

2289
03:24:32,420 --> 03:24:33,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: one-fourth

2290
03:24:33,260 --> 03:24:34,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of the GAA

2291
03:24:34,600 --> 03:24:35,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: will be

2292
03:24:35,320 --> 03:24:37,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: funded through

2293
03:24:37,120 --> 03:24:38,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: deficit spending.

2294
03:24:39,380 --> 03:24:39,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Meaning,

2295
03:24:40,140 --> 03:24:40,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from debt,

2296
03:24:40,840 --> 03:24:41,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: mainly.

2297
03:24:41,660 --> 03:24:42,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba?

2298
03:24:44,400 --> 03:24:45,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That is correct,

2299
03:24:45,440 --> 03:24:45,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker.

2300
03:24:45,840 --> 03:24:46,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes.

2301
03:24:46,160 --> 03:24:46,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2302
03:24:47,560 --> 03:24:49,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 1.69 trillion

2303
03:24:49,480 --> 03:24:50,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa 7.2

2304
03:24:50,600 --> 03:24:52,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for next year,

2305
03:24:53,620 --> 03:24:54,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kailangan utangin.

2306
03:24:54,380 --> 03:24:56,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In-utang na.

2307
03:24:56,320 --> 03:24:57,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Or utangin.

2308
03:24:57,220 --> 03:24:57,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2309
03:24:58,660 --> 03:24:59,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon,

2310
03:24:59,460 --> 03:25:00,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang tanong na,

2311
03:25:01,960 --> 03:25:03,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sabi nga,

2312
03:25:03,520 --> 03:25:04,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: umuutang tayo

2313
03:25:04,240 --> 03:25:05,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: or living beyond our means.

2314
03:25:05,500 --> 03:25:06,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ika nga, no?

2315
03:25:06,200 --> 03:25:07,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang usapin lang naman,

2316
03:25:07,200 --> 03:25:08,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and you will probably argue,

2317
03:25:08,320 --> 03:25:09,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kaya pa rin nating bayaran.

2318
03:25:09,980 --> 03:25:10,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

2319
03:25:10,940 --> 03:25:11,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon,

2320
03:25:11,540 --> 03:25:12,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang tanong na ngayon is,

2321
03:25:13,680 --> 03:25:15,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: where does that deficit spending go to?

2322
03:25:16,340 --> 03:25:16,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

2323
03:25:16,680 --> 03:25:17,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa napunta yung inutang mo?

2324
03:25:19,440 --> 03:25:20,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pinag-utanga natin,

2325
03:25:20,680 --> 03:25:21,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa napupunta?

2326
03:25:21,580 --> 03:25:22,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang gusto ko pang

2327
03:25:22,300 --> 03:25:23,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: i-highlight dito,

2328
03:25:25,240 --> 03:25:25,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: well,

2329
03:25:26,320 --> 03:25:28,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: what did that deficit spending enable?

2330
03:25:29,380 --> 03:25:29,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2331
03:25:30,500 --> 03:25:32,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang gusto po natin ipakita rito,

2332
03:25:32,900 --> 03:25:33,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: among others,

2333
03:25:34,080 --> 03:25:34,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it enabled

2334
03:25:34,820 --> 03:25:37,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: massive increase

2335
03:25:37,580 --> 03:25:39,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in public infrastructure

2336
03:25:39,840 --> 03:25:42,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and to highlight,

2337
03:25:43,120 --> 03:25:43,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: flood control.

2338
03:25:45,220 --> 03:25:45,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pa?

2339
03:25:46,100 --> 03:25:48,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, what does this table show?

2340
03:25:49,180 --> 03:25:50,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang pinapakita po natin

2341
03:25:50,300 --> 03:25:51,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa table na to,

2342
03:25:52,640 --> 03:25:54,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: again, same time frame,

2343
03:25:54,040 --> 03:25:56,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2016 to 2020,

2344
03:25:56,320 --> 03:25:57,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 27 proposed,

2345
03:25:58,620 --> 03:25:59,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang pinapakita po rito

2346
03:25:59,820 --> 03:26:00,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay yung

2347
03:26:00,900 --> 03:26:02,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: increase

2348
03:26:02,440 --> 03:26:04,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng appropriations

2349
03:26:04,160 --> 03:26:05,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for flood control.

2350
03:26:06,560 --> 03:26:06,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2351
03:26:07,200 --> 03:26:07,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And,

2352
03:26:08,200 --> 03:26:09,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: what do we note?

2353
03:26:09,940 --> 03:26:10,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Actually,

2354
03:26:10,360 --> 03:26:11,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang makikita natin dito

2355
03:26:11,660 --> 03:26:13,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay talagang

2356
03:26:13,300 --> 03:26:14,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: significant

2357
03:26:14,900 --> 03:26:17,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang naging paglaki ng flood control

2358
03:26:17,060 --> 03:26:18,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: starting in 2018.

2359
03:26:19,420 --> 03:26:20,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2018.

2360
03:26:20,900 --> 03:26:21,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2361
03:26:21,580 --> 03:26:23,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: From 430 billion,

2362
03:26:24,000 --> 03:26:25,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: naging 613 billion,

2363
03:26:25,260 --> 03:26:26,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 613 billion,

2364
03:26:26,320 --> 03:26:27,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in 2018.

2365
03:26:27,320 --> 03:26:28,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But,

2366
03:26:28,320 --> 03:26:29,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pero,

2367
03:26:30,880 --> 03:26:32,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pinakamarkado talaga

2368
03:26:32,300 --> 03:26:33,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang paglaki.

2369
03:26:33,560 --> 03:26:37,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course,

2370
03:26:37,720 --> 03:26:39,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in the golden age

2371
03:26:39,200 --> 03:26:40,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of flood control

2372
03:26:40,200 --> 03:26:41,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: dito sa Pilipinas,

2373
03:26:41,400 --> 03:26:43,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the first three years

2374
03:26:43,800 --> 03:26:45,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of the Marcos Junior Administration.

2375
03:26:45,680 --> 03:26:47,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2023.

2376
03:26:47,240 --> 03:26:47,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2377
03:26:47,700 --> 03:26:49,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Total of 287 billion

2378
03:26:49,300 --> 03:26:50,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang flood control alone.

2379
03:26:50,120 --> 03:26:50,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At,

2380
03:26:50,500 --> 03:26:52,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2024,

2381
03:26:52,200 --> 03:26:53,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the peak,

2382
03:26:53,600 --> 03:26:57,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 357 billion

2383
03:26:57,240 --> 03:26:59,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang flood control alone.

2384
03:26:59,000 --> 03:26:59,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At,

2385
03:26:59,960 --> 03:27:00,250
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At,

2386
03:27:00,250 --> 03:27:01,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2025,

2387
03:27:01,300 --> 03:27:02,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 353 billion

2388
03:27:02,800 --> 03:27:04,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang flood control alone.

2389
03:27:04,000 --> 03:27:04,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

2390
03:27:04,600 --> 03:27:05,490
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course,

2391
03:27:05,490 --> 03:27:06,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: alam natin,

2392
03:27:06,380 --> 03:27:07,270
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2026,

2393
03:27:07,270 --> 03:27:08,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: halos nawala yan.

2394
03:27:08,160 --> 03:27:09,050
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then,

2395
03:27:09,050 --> 03:27:09,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ngayon,

2396
03:27:09,940 --> 03:27:10,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: gustong ibalik.

2397
03:27:10,840 --> 03:27:11,730
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So,

2398
03:27:11,730 --> 03:27:12,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ngayon,

2399
03:27:12,620 --> 03:27:13,510
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: meron

2400
03:27:13,510 --> 03:27:14,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for DPWH,

2401
03:27:14,400 --> 03:27:15,290
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: this is actually

2402
03:27:15,290 --> 03:27:16,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: just DPWH,

2403
03:27:16,180 --> 03:27:17,070
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: may 83 billion

2404
03:27:17,070 --> 03:27:17,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for flood control

2405
03:27:17,960 --> 03:27:18,850
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in DPWH.

2406
03:27:18,850 --> 03:27:19,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2407
03:27:19,740 --> 03:27:20,630
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So,

2408
03:27:20,630 --> 03:27:21,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tama po ba

2409
03:27:21,520 --> 03:27:22,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na talagang

2410
03:27:22,420 --> 03:27:23,310
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: naging pambihira

2411
03:27:23,310 --> 03:27:24,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang

2412
03:27:24,200 --> 03:27:25,090
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: flood control

2413
03:27:25,090 --> 03:27:25,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng DPWH?

2414
03:27:25,980 --> 03:27:26,870
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Naging pambihira

2415
03:27:26,870 --> 03:27:27,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang,

2416
03:27:27,760 --> 03:27:28,650
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: naging

2417
03:27:28,650 --> 03:27:30,430
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: significant

2418
03:27:30,430 --> 03:27:31,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang paglaki ng

2419
03:27:31,320 --> 03:27:32,210
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: flood control

2420
03:27:32,210 --> 03:27:33,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: during the

2421
03:27:33,100 --> 03:27:33,990
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Marcos,

2422
03:27:33,990 --> 03:27:34,890
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the first

2423
03:27:34,890 --> 03:27:35,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: three years

2424
03:27:35,780 --> 03:27:36,670
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of the Marcos Jr.

2425
03:27:36,670 --> 03:27:37,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: administration.

2426
03:27:37,560 --> 03:27:38,450
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: It's right there.

2427
03:27:38,450 --> 03:27:39,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama naman,

2428
03:28:09,120 --> 03:28:09,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Based on the

2429
03:28:09,700 --> 03:28:10,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Um,

2430
03:28:10,200 --> 03:28:10,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

2431
03:28:10,840 --> 03:28:11,850
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That is correct po.

2432
03:28:11,850 --> 03:28:12,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes,

2433
03:28:12,440 --> 03:28:13,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of course,

2434
03:28:13,120 --> 03:28:14,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it's correct.

2435
03:28:14,400 --> 03:28:14,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now,

2436
03:28:14,920 --> 03:28:15,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: so in other words

2437
03:28:15,960 --> 03:28:16,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang

2438
03:28:16,320 --> 03:28:16,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: parang

2439
03:28:16,640 --> 03:28:18,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: gusto kong

2440
03:28:18,040 --> 03:28:19,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ipakita rito,

2441
03:28:19,840 --> 03:28:22,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: umutang tayo ng malaki.

2442
03:28:22,080 --> 03:28:24,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: large budget deficit,

2443
03:28:24,480 --> 03:28:26,390
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Funded by debt.

2444
03:28:26,400 --> 03:28:27,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Saan napunta yun?

2445
03:28:27,560 --> 03:28:29,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Anong pinunduhan nun?

2446
03:28:29,140 --> 03:28:30,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sinasabi natin,

2447
03:28:31,060 --> 03:28:32,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: a significant expansion

2448
03:28:32,460 --> 03:28:34,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: of flood control.

2449
03:28:35,260 --> 03:28:36,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: It's one.

2450
03:28:37,040 --> 03:28:39,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The other that I would like to point out,

2451
03:28:40,680 --> 03:28:40,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ayuda.

2452
03:28:42,580 --> 03:28:43,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ayuda naman.

2453
03:28:43,960 --> 03:28:44,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nangyari sa ayuda?

2454
03:28:47,220 --> 03:28:49,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, again, we looked at 2016

2455
03:28:49,480 --> 03:28:51,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: to 2027.

2456
03:28:51,780 --> 03:28:55,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Then, DSWD, DOLE, and DOH.

2457
03:28:56,860 --> 03:28:59,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan yung mga major ayuda agencies.

2458
03:28:59,820 --> 03:29:00,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Let's call them that.

2459
03:29:02,000 --> 03:29:02,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: DSWD.

2460
03:29:03,320 --> 03:29:04,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nung 2016 po,

2461
03:29:05,900 --> 03:29:06,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang AICS,

2462
03:29:06,900 --> 03:29:09,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: alam nyo kung magkano ang AICS nung 2016?

2463
03:29:10,100 --> 03:29:11,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang AICS po nung 2016,

2464
03:29:11,980 --> 03:29:13,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: last year of the Aquino administration,

2465
03:29:14,780 --> 03:29:16,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: P697 million.

2466
03:29:18,480 --> 03:29:19,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: P697 million.

2467
03:29:19,660 --> 03:29:20,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: P697 million pesos.

2468
03:29:20,960 --> 03:29:21,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero,

2469
03:29:21,780 --> 03:29:23,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: nakita natin

2470
03:29:23,000 --> 03:29:24,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang significant na paglaki

2471
03:29:24,700 --> 03:29:27,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: starting, let's say, in 20,

2472
03:29:27,580 --> 03:29:29,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: well,

2473
03:29:29,320 --> 03:29:30,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sabihin na natin 2020.

2474
03:29:31,260 --> 03:29:32,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And maybe we can understand,

2475
03:29:32,820 --> 03:29:33,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pandemia.

2476
03:29:33,940 --> 03:29:34,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

2477
03:29:35,280 --> 03:29:36,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 8.7

2478
03:29:36,720 --> 03:29:38,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: billion.

2479
03:29:38,520 --> 03:29:40,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, from P697 million,

2480
03:29:40,420 --> 03:29:41,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 8.7 billion.

2481
03:29:42,100 --> 03:29:44,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, kahit tapos na ang pandemia,

2482
03:29:44,220 --> 03:29:45,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: even up to the present,

2483
03:29:46,420 --> 03:29:48,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay tuloy-tuloy ang paglaki

2484
03:29:48,340 --> 03:29:50,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng AICS,

2485
03:29:50,160 --> 03:29:51,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: or what I will call,

2486
03:29:51,780 --> 03:29:54,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: patronage-based

2487
03:29:54,500 --> 03:29:55,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ayuda.

2488
03:29:56,260 --> 03:29:58,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: By the way, yung blue dito,

2489
03:29:58,620 --> 03:29:59,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yan yung four-piece.

2490
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nakikita ko si Congressman Abalos, 4-piece party list.

2491
03:30:06,060 --> 03:30:06,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung blue 4-piece.

2492
03:30:07,480 --> 03:30:11,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So let's call that the parametric-based ayuda.

2493
03:30:12,160 --> 03:30:15,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Parametric ayuda, meron mga objective criteria supposedly

2494
03:30:15,960 --> 03:30:19,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: as against the patronage-based ayuda, which is AIC.

2495
03:30:19,900 --> 03:30:30,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, makita po natin, especially in 2022, 23, 24, 25,

2496
03:30:30,700 --> 03:30:33,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pambihira po ang naging paglaki ng AICs.

2497
03:30:33,740 --> 03:30:39,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2026, it was 63.8 billion pesos.

2498
03:30:40,500 --> 03:30:42,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 63.8 billion pesos.

2499
03:30:42,720 --> 03:30:49,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That's a 9,000% increase from the AICs level in 2016.

2500
03:30:49,900 --> 03:30:55,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Times 90. Times 90 plus ang naging increase ng AICs.

2501
03:30:55,500 --> 03:31:01,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Noong 2024 and 2025, AICs yung orange, meron pangyelo dyan.

2502
03:31:01,560 --> 03:31:04,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung AICs na nadagdaga ng tinatawag na ACAP.

2503
03:31:05,640 --> 03:31:06,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan yung dalawang taon na ACAP,

2504
03:31:07,720 --> 03:31:10,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: which is another form of patronage-based ayuda.

2505
03:31:10,920 --> 03:31:14,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yun po ang point. Ngayon sa Dole, Tupad.

2506
03:31:15,860 --> 03:31:18,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016, Tupad was 3.2 billion.

2507
03:31:19,900 --> 03:31:27,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At the peak, 2024, it became 29 billion.

2508
03:31:28,040 --> 03:31:29,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 29 billion.

2509
03:31:30,540 --> 03:31:32,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: How many times ang increase nito?

2510
03:31:33,460 --> 03:31:36,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Times 3.

2511
03:31:36,980 --> 03:31:38,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Times 6, sorry.

2512
03:31:38,960 --> 03:31:40,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Six times increase.

2513
03:31:40,680 --> 03:31:41,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Six times increase.

2514
03:31:42,540 --> 03:31:45,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos, medyo bumaba yung levels ng Tupad,

2515
03:31:45,640 --> 03:31:47,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pero generally much higher.

2516
03:31:48,320 --> 03:31:49,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And you can see,

2517
03:31:49,180 --> 03:31:50,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: as a percentage,

2518
03:31:51,660 --> 03:31:53,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung Dole budget, yun yung blue.

2519
03:31:53,120 --> 03:31:55,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The rest of the Dole budget, that's the blue.

2520
03:31:56,320 --> 03:31:57,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung Dole budget, halos di lumalaki.

2521
03:31:58,740 --> 03:32:00,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Lumalaki lang sa budget ng Dole,

2522
03:32:00,920 --> 03:32:02,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung Tupad.

2523
03:32:03,140 --> 03:32:04,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kaya nga sa briefing, sabi ko,

2524
03:32:04,560 --> 03:32:06,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ano ba ang Dole? Ayuda agency na ba ito?

2525
03:32:07,900 --> 03:32:10,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Rather than an agency, supposedly,

2526
03:32:10,440 --> 03:32:12,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for protecting workers' rights?

2527
03:32:13,820 --> 03:32:14,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2528
03:32:14,860 --> 03:32:15,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, MAIF.

2529
03:32:16,520 --> 03:32:18,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. The MAIF story is

2530
03:32:19,180 --> 03:32:20,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: it's the same, no?

2531
03:32:22,000 --> 03:32:23,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016,

2532
03:32:23,920 --> 03:32:28,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 1.4 billion pesos ang tama ba?

2533
03:32:29,020 --> 03:32:29,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang MAIF.

2534
03:32:30,900 --> 03:32:33,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, 2026, it was 51 billion.

2535
03:32:34,880 --> 03:32:40,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, from 1 billion to 51 billion in one decade.

2536
03:32:41,800 --> 03:32:43,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, again, how many times increase yan?

2537
03:32:43,500 --> 03:32:46,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Times 40 plus, roughly.

2538
03:32:46,780 --> 03:32:47,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I don't know.

2539
03:32:47,660 --> 03:32:48,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2540
03:32:49,180 --> 03:32:50,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano ang point?

2541
03:32:51,240 --> 03:32:53,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ang pinakita,

2542
03:32:54,240 --> 03:32:55,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: nabaon tayo sa utang,

2543
03:32:56,140 --> 03:32:57,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: malaki ang binabayaran.

2544
03:32:59,140 --> 03:32:59,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung utang na yun,

2545
03:32:59,920 --> 03:33:01,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ginamit for deficit spending.

2546
03:33:02,900 --> 03:33:03,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

2547
03:33:03,960 --> 03:33:06,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yung hindi kinikita through taxes,

2548
03:33:07,200 --> 03:33:07,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: utangin natin.

2549
03:33:08,080 --> 03:33:10,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: San ginamit yung deficit spending na yun?

2550
03:33:11,500 --> 03:33:12,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Malaking bahagi,

2551
03:33:12,620 --> 03:33:15,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ginamit para sa pork barrel.

2552
03:33:15,900 --> 03:33:16,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dalawang klase.

2553
03:33:16,640 --> 03:33:18,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Infrastructure.

2554
03:33:19,180 --> 03:33:20,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Flood control.

2555
03:33:21,120 --> 03:33:23,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi ko na nga sinama yung iba pang infrastructure.

2556
03:33:23,480 --> 03:33:24,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nandyan din yan.

2557
03:33:24,720 --> 03:33:25,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Flood control,

2558
03:33:26,220 --> 03:33:29,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: as well as patronage-based ayuda.

2559
03:33:31,000 --> 03:33:31,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

2560
03:33:31,800 --> 03:33:33,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yun po sinasabi natin.

2561
03:33:34,180 --> 03:33:34,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2562
03:33:35,540 --> 03:33:36,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba?

2563
03:33:36,280 --> 03:33:37,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Is my analysis correct?

2564
03:33:38,320 --> 03:33:41,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam, Mr. Speaker, and Madam Sponsor?

2565
03:33:42,120 --> 03:33:44,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, if we may segment

2566
03:33:44,880 --> 03:33:45,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay.

2567
03:33:45,480 --> 03:33:46,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: All right.

2568
03:33:46,320 --> 03:33:48,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The different topics

2569
03:33:49,180 --> 03:33:50,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were put forth,

2570
03:33:50,180 --> 03:33:53,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung doon po sa nabanggit,

2571
03:33:53,180 --> 03:33:55,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: siguro po kasi ang dami po na noona,

2572
03:33:55,180 --> 03:33:58,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: present po muna yung deficit

2573
03:33:58,180 --> 03:34:00,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a percentage of the budget,

2574
03:34:00,180 --> 03:34:02,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and then pangalawa po,

2575
03:34:02,180 --> 03:34:05,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in-associate po doon po sa flood control

2576
03:34:05,180 --> 03:34:07,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: budgets per year,

2577
03:34:07,180 --> 03:34:09,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tapos ito po, yung mga social services.

2578
03:34:09,180 --> 03:34:11,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, siguro po,

2579
03:34:11,180 --> 03:34:14,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung sa flood control po,

2580
03:34:14,180 --> 03:34:17,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at saka sa borrowing,

2581
03:34:17,180 --> 03:34:19,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: siguro po, we would like to highlight po,

2582
03:34:19,180 --> 03:34:22,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that most of the borrowings,

2583
03:34:22,180 --> 03:34:26,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tinanong po kanina ng ating distinguished colleague,

2584
03:34:26,180 --> 03:34:28,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where the deficit went.

2585
03:34:28,180 --> 03:34:31,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Essentially, what was funded using the deficit?

2586
03:34:31,180 --> 03:34:34,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually po, majority of the deficit

2587
03:34:34,180 --> 03:34:38,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: went into funding different ODA,

2588
03:34:38,180 --> 03:34:40,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: big-ticket ODA items.

2589
03:34:40,180 --> 03:34:43,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For example po, the North-South Commuter Railway

2590
03:34:43,180 --> 03:34:48,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: started in 2015 as an ODA project,

2591
03:34:48,180 --> 03:34:51,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and then the Metro Manila Subway project

2592
03:34:51,180 --> 03:34:53,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: started in 2018.

2593
03:34:53,180 --> 03:34:55,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, majority of the borrowings

2594
03:34:55,180 --> 03:34:57,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: went towards funding

2595
03:34:57,180 --> 03:34:59,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the counterparts po

2596
03:34:59,180 --> 03:35:03,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for those big-ticket items po.

2597
03:35:03,180 --> 03:35:06,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, of course,

2598
03:35:06,180 --> 03:35:09,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwedeng sabihin yun,

2599
03:35:09,180 --> 03:35:11,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pero in the end, pwede rin sabihin,

2600
03:35:11,180 --> 03:35:13,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: eh yung pera na yan, fungible.

2601
03:35:13,180 --> 03:35:15,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? They're all in one pot.

2602
03:35:15,180 --> 03:35:16,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

2603
03:35:16,180 --> 03:35:20,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And yung kasamahan natin dito,

2604
03:35:20,180 --> 03:35:22,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: si Congressman [unclear], sinasabing,

2605
03:35:22,180 --> 03:35:25,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: hindi nga napopondohan yung ODA eh.

2606
03:35:25,180 --> 03:35:28,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nilalagay saan program?

2607
03:35:28,180 --> 03:35:32,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero what I posit here is that

2608
03:35:32,180 --> 03:35:36,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: since the budget and all sources

2609
03:35:36,180 --> 03:35:38,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: are fungible, ultimately,

2610
03:35:38,180 --> 03:35:40,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang sinasabing natin dito,

2611
03:35:40,180 --> 03:35:45,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: one thing made possible by the deficit spending,

2612
03:35:45,180 --> 03:35:47,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: funded by debt,

2613
03:35:47,180 --> 03:35:49,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: is the massive expansion

2614
03:35:49,180 --> 03:35:53,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in what I call pork barrel projects.

2615
03:35:53,180 --> 03:35:56,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Both yung tinatawag nating hard, infra,

2616
03:35:56,180 --> 03:35:58,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: at saka yung soft, ayuda.

2617
03:35:58,180 --> 03:36:01,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yun po ang ating pinapakita rito.

2618
03:36:01,180 --> 03:36:03,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon, hindi lang yun.

2619
03:36:03,180 --> 03:36:06,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I mean, next table,

2620
03:36:06,180 --> 03:36:08,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the other thing we will show here is

2621
03:36:08,180 --> 03:36:11,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung a new kind of pork

2622
03:36:11,180 --> 03:36:13,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na lumabas only

2623
03:36:13,180 --> 03:36:15,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for 2026.

2624
03:36:15,180 --> 03:36:16,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That is the

2625
03:36:16,180 --> 03:36:18,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: LGSF.

2626
03:36:18,180 --> 03:36:20,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun yung tinatanong kanina ni Congressman Erice

2627
03:36:20,180 --> 03:36:21,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: at iba pa, no?

2628
03:36:21,180 --> 03:36:23,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Na 2026 lang yan.

2629
03:36:23,180 --> 03:36:26,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And that's on the right, what you see.

2630
03:36:26,180 --> 03:36:29,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pambihirang paglaki sa GAA,

2631
03:36:29,180 --> 03:36:31,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: actually Congressional Initiative,

2632
03:36:31,180 --> 03:36:34,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: if you will, you know, be strict about it,

2633
03:36:34,180 --> 03:36:38,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung paglaki ng yung 57.8 billion

2634
03:36:38,180 --> 03:36:42,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na LGSF, 37 billion of which is,

2635
03:36:42,180 --> 03:36:44,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung FALGO,

2636
03:36:44,180 --> 03:36:46,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Financial Assistance to Local Government Units.

2637
03:36:46,180 --> 03:36:48,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi na tayo magtatagal dyan.

2638
03:36:48,180 --> 03:36:49,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2639
03:36:49,180 --> 03:36:52,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, and then the next table that I'll show,

2640
03:36:52,180 --> 03:36:54,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pasensya na po, data overload siguro,

2641
03:36:54,180 --> 03:36:56,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pero wala.

2642
03:36:56,180 --> 03:37:00,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: We're talking about 10 years of appropriations, no?

2643
03:37:00,180 --> 03:37:02,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Go to the next table.

2644
03:37:02,180 --> 03:37:04,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next table pa.

2645
03:37:04,180 --> 03:37:06,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That's unprogrammed appropriations.

2646
03:37:06,180 --> 03:37:09,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, unprogrammed appropriations

2647
03:37:09,180 --> 03:37:11,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from 2016 to 20...

2648
03:37:11,180 --> 03:37:13,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2027.

2649
03:37:13,180 --> 03:37:14,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, proposed.

2650
03:37:14,180 --> 03:37:16,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Wala, yan. Okay.

2651
03:37:16,180 --> 03:37:18,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, what is remarkable here?

2652
03:37:18,180 --> 03:37:20,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: You know, pag binisualize mo, makikita mo.

2653
03:37:20,180 --> 03:37:25,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Actually, you will see that una muna,

2654
03:37:25,180 --> 03:37:29,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from 2016 to 2021,

2655
03:37:29,180 --> 03:37:32,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: even during the peak of the pandemic,

2656
03:37:32,180 --> 03:37:35,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kung ano yung pinroposed ng NEP na unprogrammed,

2657
03:37:35,180 --> 03:37:38,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yun din yung aprobahan ng Kongreso.

2658
03:37:38,180 --> 03:37:40,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And generally, at a lower level.

2659
03:37:41,180 --> 03:37:42,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2660
03:37:42,180 --> 03:37:46,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2016, 67.5 billion yung UA.

2661
03:37:46,180 --> 03:37:51,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then 2021, kasagsagan ng pandemia,

2662
03:37:51,180 --> 03:37:56,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: unprogrammed is 176 billion.

2663
03:37:56,180 --> 03:37:59,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kung anong pinroposed ng NEP, yun din ang in-approve ng Kongreso.

2664
03:37:59,180 --> 03:38:03,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, starting in 2022, the last year,

2665
03:38:03,180 --> 03:38:06,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the last budget of the Duterte administration,

2666
03:38:06,180 --> 03:38:09,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ito yung unang kagat sa mansanas.

2667
03:38:09,180 --> 03:38:10,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ika nga. No?

2668
03:38:10,180 --> 03:38:12,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Biglang natuklasan ng Kongreso.

2669
03:38:12,180 --> 03:38:13,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Teka muna.

2670
03:38:13,180 --> 03:38:17,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pwede pala nating lakihan tong unprogrammed appropriations.

2671
03:38:17,180 --> 03:38:22,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 2022, the proposed is 151B.

2672
03:38:22,180 --> 03:38:26,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But GAA, 251B.

2673
03:38:26,180 --> 03:38:29,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, lumaki by 100B.

2674
03:38:29,180 --> 03:38:36,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, really, pagupo ng Marcos Jr. administration, tinodo na.

2675
03:38:36,180 --> 03:38:37,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2676
03:38:37,180 --> 03:38:39,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pag-abuso sa unprogrammed appropriations.

2677
03:38:39,180 --> 03:38:49,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2023, unbelievable, 807 billion ang unprogrammed appropriations.

2678
03:38:49,180 --> 03:38:54,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos 2024, 731 billion.

2679
03:38:54,180 --> 03:38:59,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then 2025, bumaba sa 336.

2680
03:38:59,180 --> 03:39:04,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos dahil naging constitutional issue na ito, and so on and so forth,

2681
03:39:04,180 --> 03:39:07,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ayan, papaliit ngayon ang unprogrammed.

2682
03:39:07,180 --> 03:39:08,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang iba nga. Sinasabi.

2683
03:39:08,180 --> 03:39:10,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dapat tanggalin na outright.

2684
03:39:10,180 --> 03:39:11,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

2685
03:39:11,180 --> 03:39:14,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But this is the story of unprogrammed appropriations.

2686
03:39:14,180 --> 03:39:15,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2687
03:39:15,180 --> 03:39:18,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, why is this relevant?

2688
03:39:18,180 --> 03:39:19,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2689
03:39:19,180 --> 03:39:20,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano ba ang nangyari?

2690
03:39:20,180 --> 03:39:27,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, alam natin na yung modus ng unprogrammed appropriations, bakit lumaki ng ganyan?

2691
03:39:27,180 --> 03:39:35,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Because regular items of the budget were being forced into unprogrammed appropriations

2692
03:39:35,180 --> 03:39:37,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: to create space for...

2693
03:39:38,180 --> 03:39:39,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Congressional insertions.

2694
03:39:39,180 --> 03:39:45,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung mga dagdag na ayuda, dagdag na flood control, at iba pa.

2695
03:39:45,180 --> 03:39:46,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

2696
03:39:46,180 --> 03:39:48,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba?

2697
03:39:48,180 --> 03:39:51,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Are my facts correct?

2698
03:39:51,180 --> 03:39:56,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam sponsor, tama po ba yan?

2699
03:39:56,180 --> 03:40:03,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, siguro po ang aking pong nais-isagot sa ating kasamahan.

2700
03:40:04,440 --> 03:40:05,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung 2026 po.

2701
03:40:05,180 --> 03:40:07,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Siguro doon po kasi ako nagsimula man nung...

2702
03:40:07,360 --> 03:40:12,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nagsimula man nung kulan bilang chairperson ng Committee on Appropriations.

2703
03:40:12,040 --> 03:40:14,790
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun po yung maaari ko pong maipaliwanag.

2704
03:40:14,790 --> 03:40:17,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Because that is within my purview na po.

2705
03:40:17,180 --> 03:40:22,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang ginawa po talaga natin noong 2026, sinagurado po natin, nalinagyan po natin ng

2706
03:40:22,180 --> 03:40:26,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: karampatang safeguards yung mga unprogrammed appropriations po.

2707
03:40:26,180 --> 03:40:33,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Makikita po sa version po ng house na inaproobahan po natin ng GAB, tinanggal nga po natin

2708
03:40:33,180 --> 03:40:35,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung infrastructure mula doon sa sagip.

2709
03:40:35,180 --> 03:40:43,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So hindi na po natin pinayagan na magkaroon po ng kahit ano na releases patungo sa infrastructure

2710
03:40:43,180 --> 03:40:45,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: galing po sa unprogrammed appropriations.

2711
03:40:45,180 --> 03:40:52,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kaya makikita din po natin yung ating ginawang pag-rationalize ng mga allowable items under

2712
03:40:52,180 --> 03:40:58,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: unprogrammed appropriations during the HGAB as well as yung veto po na isinagawa na ating

2713
03:40:58,180 --> 03:41:03,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pangulo sa 2026 GAA nung unprogrammed appropriations.

2714
03:41:03,180 --> 03:41:04,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nakita po natin ang laki po ng binaba.

2715
03:41:04,180 --> 03:41:11,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At ngayon po ang 2027, kung titignan po natin, ito po yung pinakamababa.

2716
03:41:11,180 --> 03:41:19,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In nominal terms po, yung unprogrammed appropriations for the year 2027 as proposed in the NEP

2717
03:41:19,180 --> 03:41:25,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is the lowest since 1991 as a percentage of the budget.

2718
03:41:25,180 --> 03:41:32,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kung nominal terms naman po yung ating titignan, siguro po pagbabasihan po natin dito, at least 2019 po,

2719
03:41:32,180 --> 03:41:35,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yun po yung pinakamababa in nominal terms.

2720
03:41:35,180 --> 03:41:44,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, rest assured po, in the 2027 budget, sisiguraduhin po natin na kung ano man yung mga papayagan natin,

2721
03:41:44,180 --> 03:41:53,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga allowable uses under the unprogrammed appropriations na ating po aaprobahan sa House version ng General Appropriations Bill,

2722
03:41:53,180 --> 03:42:00,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sisiguraduhin po talaga natin na may safeguards yun at talagang doon lang pupunta sa pinakakinakailangan.

2723
03:42:00,180 --> 03:42:10,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po yung mga foreign assisted projects, risk management, yung mga obligasyon po natin na kinakailangan-kailangan po talaga ng standby funds.

2724
03:42:10,180 --> 03:42:18,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, thank you Madam Chair. So, ang point ko dito sa overview, baliktanaw sa 10 years ng pagbabudget,

2725
03:42:18,180 --> 03:42:25,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: una, na markado talaga ang paglaki ng utang starting during the pandemic.

2726
03:42:25,180 --> 03:42:28,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Naintindihan pa natin siguro, kailangan talagang umutang.

2727
03:42:28,180 --> 03:42:37,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero nagtuloy-tuloy ito. Ngayon lumaki na rin yung deficit spending sa panahon yun.

2728
03:42:37,180 --> 03:42:45,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ang tanong ngayon, saan ginamit yung utang? Napakinabangan ba ng taong bayan?

2729
03:42:45,180 --> 03:42:56,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pinakita natin, well, malaking bahagi ng inutang ginamit para mapalaki yung DPWH budget.

2730
03:42:56,180 --> 03:43:04,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Particularly flood control. Flood control lang pinakita natin dito. Hindi natin sinama yung mga iba pa, mga road, bridges, etc.

2731
03:43:04,180 --> 03:43:13,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But it follows the same trend. So, saan ginamit ang utang? Ginamit ang utang para sa flood control.

2732
03:43:13,180 --> 03:43:21,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ginamit din ang utang para palakihin astronomically ang ayuda.

2733
03:43:21,180 --> 03:43:25,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yung TUPAD, yung AICS.

2734
03:43:26,180 --> 03:43:34,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, anong naging pakinabang ng sambayan ng Pilipino?

2735
03:43:34,180 --> 03:43:39,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At ano ang naging pakinabang sa ekonomiya, sa pambansa, sa pag-unlad?

2736
03:43:39,180 --> 03:43:47,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ito na po ang point natin. Dahil sa ganito, ang nangyari, alam natin nangyari sa flood control.

2737
03:43:47,180 --> 03:43:53,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang nangyari sa flood control, ang laki ng binuhos, lumalala pa ang baha.

2738
03:43:53,180 --> 03:44:04,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Samantala, ang daming, ayan na, naging bahagi na ng araw-araw na pananalita ng mga kababayan natin, yung maleta.

2739
03:44:04,180 --> 03:44:13,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan na, ang daming nakatanggap daw ng maleta. That's because of the flood control corruption scandal, plunder.

2740
03:44:13,180 --> 03:44:22,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, a significant portion of the flood control money, according to whistleblowers,

2741
03:44:22,180 --> 03:44:28,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: like Bernardo, Yusec Bernardo, former Secretary Bonoan, napunta raw sa kickback.

2742
03:44:28,180 --> 03:44:33,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? As high as 30 to 50 percent of that money.

2743
03:44:33,180 --> 03:44:39,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. So, doon napunta sa corruption. Hindi sa aktual na proyektong pinakinabangan ng taong bayan.

2744
03:44:39,180 --> 03:44:42,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ganun din po. Paano naman yung ayuda?

2745
03:44:42,180 --> 03:44:47,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sabi ko nga, TUPAD. Sorry, AICS.

2746
03:44:47,180 --> 03:44:51,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 9,000 percent growth in AICS.

2747
03:44:51,180 --> 03:44:59,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Growth in AICS over a decade. Okay. Sabihin, well, natulungan naman ang kababayan natin ng AICS. And it's true.

2748
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:22,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba? For the most part, talaga namang nakakatulong sa taong bag. Ganun din naman yung MyFIP. Diba? It's a medical assistance. Sure. Okay. Pero ang sinasabi nga, ito yung patronage-based. Kailangan dumaan ka kay congressman, kailangan dumaan ka kay senator o kung sino paman. Okay.

2749
03:45:22,100 --> 03:45:28,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The other question is, so napunta, in other words, saan napunta ang napakalaking inutang?

2750
03:45:28,480 --> 03:45:36,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang pinupunta po natin dito ay napunta sa pork barrel, flood control, at sa patronage.

2751
03:45:37,600 --> 03:45:40,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Social services as patronage. Okay.

2752
03:45:41,300 --> 03:45:42,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Saan hindi napunta?

2753
03:45:43,960 --> 03:45:48,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi napunta, I mean, napakalaking ng inutang natin.

2754
03:45:48,580 --> 03:45:51,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pwede rin naman sana inilagay ito.

2755
03:45:51,620 --> 03:45:58,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa pagpapalakas ng agrikultura, pagpapalakas ng manupaktura.

2756
03:45:58,360 --> 03:46:03,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nakikita ko si Dep Dev Sek Balisakan.

2757
03:46:03,860 --> 03:46:08,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sinasabi niya, ang problema raw ng ekonomiya natin, largely consumption-driven.

2758
03:46:09,580 --> 03:46:14,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, pagka puro ayuda ang binibigay mo, ayun, consumption-driven.

2759
03:46:14,620 --> 03:46:20,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi ka lumili ka ng bago at pangmatagalang trabaho.

2760
03:46:20,540 --> 03:46:30,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, Madam, Mr. Chair, Madam Speaker, marami pa po tayo. Parang part one pa lang po tayo.

2761
03:46:31,880 --> 03:46:36,460
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Chair would like to remind Honorable Tinio that your time has expired.

2762
03:46:36,840 --> 03:46:41,720
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Okay. So, the Honorable Suansing will respond.

2763
03:46:41,860 --> 03:46:42,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes.

2764
03:46:42,140 --> 03:46:50,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No. Mr. Speaker, that was just my first point, no, that nabaon po tayo sa utang.

2765
03:46:50,540 --> 03:46:56,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Especially under the Marcos Jr. Administration, where did that debt go?

2766
03:46:56,920 --> 03:47:07,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No, it went to fund pork barrel, yung flood control, at saka yung pagpapalaki ng ayuda.

2767
03:47:07,220 --> 03:47:13,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No. So, dependence instead of economic independence.

2768
03:47:14,840 --> 03:47:20,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mr. Speaker, marami pa po tayong tanong. I suppose I can continue this.

2769
03:47:20,540 --> 03:47:27,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: During the interpellation of DEVDEV and then DBM, since magkakaugnay naman po yung mga tanong natin.

2770
03:47:28,180 --> 03:47:29,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, hanggang dyan na lang po. Marami kalamat.

2771
03:47:30,060 --> 03:47:30,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you. Majority Leader.

2772
03:47:31,580 --> 03:47:39,360
Floor Leader: Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize Honorable Sarah Jane Elago of Gabriela Party-list to interpellate the provisions and principles.

2773
03:47:39,360 --> 03:47:48,960
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Honorable Sarah Jane Elago of Gabriela Women's Party is recognized. Please proceed.

2774
03:48:05,070 --> 03:48:08,190
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Magandang araw sa lahat.

2775
03:48:09,030 --> 03:48:20,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ginoong Speaker, isang linggo na lang bago ang unang anibersaryo ng Baha sa Luneta at Trillion Peso March noong September 21, 2025.

2776
03:48:20,540 --> 03:48:32,760
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung kailan, libo-libong mga kababayan natin ang kumilos, nagmarcha at nagprotesta laban sa mga pagbaha, laban sa korupsyon at laban sa kawalan ng pananagutan.

2777
03:48:33,060 --> 03:48:49,760
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang isa sa mga bunga ng pagigigit ng mamamayan, ang pagsasama ng Section 19 ng Prohibition on Political Involvement in the Distribution of Cash and Other Forms of Financial Assistance sa 2026.

2778
03:48:50,540 --> 03:48:58,180
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na ngayon ay nasa Section 20 na ng ating 2027 General Appropriations Bill.

2779
03:48:58,180 --> 03:49:20,540
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang katanungan ko sa ating sponsor, at nagmula na rin sa naunang interpellation ni Representative Tinio, kung saan naipakita sa atin na bilyon-bilyon pa rin yung nakalaan para sa ayuda at malaki yung panawagan ng ating mga kababayan na

2780
03:49:20,540 --> 03:49:28,780
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: matugunan yung mga issue na may kinalaman sa pork, may kinalaman sa patronage, may kinalaman sa korupsyon.

2781
03:49:30,100 --> 03:49:38,560
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya lahat ba ng national government agencies na responsable sa pamimigay ng cash assistance

2782
03:49:38,560 --> 03:49:49,720
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: at iba pang financial aid ay nakapagbuo at nakapagpatupad ng kanilang mga requirements, protocols, at reporting mechanisms?

2783
03:49:50,540 --> 03:49:57,000
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para matiyak ang strict compliance sa Section 19 ng 2026 GAA.

2784
03:50:09,160 --> 03:50:15,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleagues, so for these po, if you would look at Section 19,

2785
03:50:15,520 --> 03:50:20,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I would use specific examples po to respond to the query of our Distinguished Colleagues.

2786
03:50:20,540 --> 03:50:28,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po, for AICS, under DSWD, bumuo po ng sarili nilang internal guidelines yung iba't-ibang mga ahensya.

2787
03:50:28,700 --> 03:50:34,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I believe it's the same po. Nakita ko rin po yun, may guidelines yung MAEFIP, may guidelines po yung TAPAD.

2788
03:50:34,660 --> 03:50:38,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So nagsagawa po sila ng kanilang kanya-kanyang internal guidelines po.

2789
03:50:39,260 --> 03:50:48,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: At pagdating po sa monitoring, sila din po sa loob na ahensya, yung nagsisigurado na may strict enforcement po

2790
03:50:48,400 --> 03:50:50,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng kanilang mga internal guidelines.

2791
03:50:50,540 --> 03:50:52,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ito ang maaaring maarating kaakibat po noong Section 19.

2792
03:50:53,680 --> 03:51:00,340
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, para masigurado, maari ba nating malaman kung ano ang bilang ng Department Order,

2793
03:51:00,720 --> 03:51:08,740
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Memorandum Circular ba yan, or Administrative Order, na magtitiyak ng maayos na paggamit sa mga programa na ito?

2794
03:51:16,820 --> 03:51:19,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

2795
03:51:19,080 --> 03:51:22,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang pwede po naming gawin ay kukuha po kami ng kopya nung

2796
03:51:22,160 --> 03:51:34,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: iba't ibang department order or memorandum circular ng iba't ibang ahensya na apektado po nitong Section 19, at maaari po naming ibigay sa ating kasamahan.

2797
03:51:34,900 --> 03:51:50,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, sa isang madaling paghahanap, halimbawa sa Department of Social Welfare and Development para sa kanilang Protective Services for Individuals and Families in Difficult Circumstances, nakasama rito yung AICS.

2798
03:51:50,620 --> 03:52:04,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang pinakahuling nilabas nilang memorandum circular tungkol sa guidelines sa implementation ng programa na ito ay noong 2022 pa sa kanilang memorandum circular No. 15, Series of 2022.

2799
03:52:04,900 --> 03:52:14,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Gayon din sa halimbawa sa Department of Labor and Employment sa kanilang programa sa tupad.

2800
03:52:15,220 --> 03:52:25,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang pinakahuli na nilabas ay noong 2023 pa sa Department Order No. 239.

2801
03:52:26,100 --> 03:52:34,880
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pagdating naman sa Department of Health para sa kanilang medical assistance para sa indigent patients,

2802
03:52:34,900 --> 03:52:45,220
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ang pinakahuli po na lumabas ay meron ng Administrative Order No. 2026-0031.

2803
03:52:46,220 --> 03:53:03,900
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit kung titignan nyo yung body ng mismong nilabas na guidelines na ito, wala hong pagkakabanggit ng Section 19 na magtitiyak ng prohibisyon ng political involvement sa distribution.

2804
03:53:03,960 --> 03:53:08,230
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng cash assistance at financial aid.

2805
03:53:08,230 --> 03:53:10,260
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ano hong masasabi dito ng ating sponsor?

2806
03:53:10,260 --> 03:53:15,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo, kinukuha lang po namin yung mismong kopya po.

2807
03:53:16,200 --> 03:53:34,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero halimbawa po, yung doon po sa DSWD, siguradong sigurado po ako na merong pagbanggit, kung hindi man po nila nabanggit yung Section 19 specifically, yung wording po ay nakaayon doon po sa nakalagay sa Section 19.

2808
03:53:34,900 --> 03:53:36,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kukunin lang po namin sa DSWD.

2809
03:53:36,700 --> 03:53:56,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun po talaga, linalagay talaga yung exact wording po na yung hindi po pwedeng maging present or walang kahit anong paraphernalia na pwedeng ilagay sa kahit anuman sa mga cash assistance releases ng DSWD.

2810
03:53:56,420 --> 03:54:04,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So sure po ako doon, may bago pong guideline yung DSWD na re-release lang po pagkatapos ng 2026 GA.

2811
03:54:04,900 --> 03:54:14,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sigurado din po ako sa MAIFIP. Yun po naka-explicitly stated po doon yung nabawal na po yung guarantee letter.

2812
03:54:15,340 --> 03:54:18,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ganon po ka-explicit yung nakalagay doon po sa MAIFIP.

2813
03:54:18,420 --> 03:54:34,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So kinukuha ko lang po, pero ang pagkakaalam po natin ay lahat po ng mga ahensya na nabanggit po dito, masisigurado ko po yung DSWD at saka yung AX at saka MAIFIP kasi yun po yung nakita ko po yung kopya.

2814
03:54:34,900 --> 03:54:41,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Na meron po, nabanggit po yung ating intention doon po sa Section 19.

2815
03:54:42,220 --> 03:54:47,180
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, napakahirap pong maging sigurado kung walang ispesipikong numero.

2816
03:54:47,180 --> 03:55:03,180
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya hintayin po natin yung kopya ng mga guidelines na yan dahil hindi natin gusto na parang token lang yung pagsasama ng seksyon na ito na magagamit sana natin para labanan.

2817
03:55:03,180 --> 03:55:12,120
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: labanan yung paggamit sa pamumulitika o sa patronahe ng ganitong tipo ng mga serbisyo at mga programa.

2818
03:55:12,120 --> 03:55:22,900
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon naman, nakasaad din, Ginoong Speaker, sa Section 19 ang obligasyon ng Joint Congressional Oversight Committee on Public Expenditures.

2819
03:55:23,400 --> 03:55:34,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para bantayan, subaybayan ang compliance ng mga national government agencies pagdating sa programa na ito.

2820
03:55:34,320 --> 03:55:38,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: at yung compliance mismo ng NGAs.

2821
03:55:38,460 --> 03:55:44,560
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maaari ba nating malaman, nakapagpulong ba ang Joint Congressional Oversight Committee na ito?

2822
03:55:45,580 --> 03:55:48,640
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At ano sa ngayon, yung inyong mga findings?

2823
03:55:51,200 --> 03:55:57,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, sa totoo po, ito pong Joint Congressional Oversight Committee on Public Expenditures

2824
03:55:57,740 --> 03:56:03,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi pa po na-co-convene para po sa 20th Congress.

2825
03:56:03,060 --> 03:56:10,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang dahilan po ay dahil nagkaroon po ng pagkakataon na nauna po kasing kino-convene yung InfraCom.

2826
03:56:10,860 --> 03:56:21,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So medyo nagsabay-sabay po kasi yung mga oversight committees na pareho po yung intention na kanila pong babantayan.

2827
03:56:21,280 --> 03:56:26,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang assurance po na maibibigay po natin sa ating distinguished colleague

2828
03:56:26,800 --> 03:56:32,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay i-convene po natin soon yung Joint Congressional Oversight Committee.

2829
03:56:33,060 --> 03:56:45,720
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, kailan ho balak ng Joint Congressional Oversight Committee na makapagpulong para dito?

2830
03:56:46,780 --> 03:56:54,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa kasalukuyan po kasi, nagsabay po yung budget deliberations ng Kamara at ng Senado.

2831
03:56:54,940 --> 03:57:02,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo inaayos lang po namin ng ating counterpart sa Senado, si Sen. J.V. Ejercito po,

2832
03:57:02,140 --> 03:57:04,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung chairman po ng Committee on Finance.

2833
03:57:05,060 --> 03:57:11,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero kapag naayos po namin ito, ipabalitaan ko po kayo kaagad kung kailan po i-convene.

2834
03:57:11,900 --> 03:57:17,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo nabibusy lang po sa schedule ng budget hearings sa parehong kapulungan.

2835
03:57:19,380 --> 03:57:29,520
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Naintindihan natin, Mr. Speaker, pero sa kabila nito, nakakadismaya pa rin po na nilalagay natin ang mga mahalagang seksyon na ito.

2836
03:57:29,520 --> 03:57:31,280
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit hindi po natin nakikita.

2837
03:57:32,140 --> 03:57:40,240
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: O ay nagiging strikto na tayo din ay nagiging seryoso sa pagpapatupad ng mga seksyon na makakatulong sa atin,

2838
03:57:40,340 --> 03:57:45,020
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: natiyakin na ang bawat piso napupunta talaga sa serbisyo para sa tao.

2839
03:57:45,240 --> 03:57:49,140
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya ho, abangan natin yung mga guidelines.

2840
03:57:49,520 --> 03:57:58,400
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At sana ho, kung meron ng initial na assessment, monitoring, ang DSWD, ang DOLE, gayon din ang DOH,

2841
03:57:58,400 --> 03:58:01,960
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa pagtitiyak nito, ay pag-aaralan din.

2842
03:58:02,140 --> 03:58:03,740
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: O, ng representasyon na ito.

2843
03:58:04,100 --> 03:58:12,040
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Napakahalaga nito, ginoong speaker, dahil, halimbawa na lang po, gano'n ba kalaki yung pinag-uusapan natin na pondo?

2844
03:58:12,600 --> 03:58:19,780
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa, yung pondo sa AECS, na nasa 63.9 billion para sa 2026.

2845
03:58:20,160 --> 03:58:26,300
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yan ho ay lagpa sa doble ng buong pondo ng Department of Science and Technology.

2846
03:58:26,920 --> 03:58:31,260
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At yan din ho ay bilyong-bilyong pondo.

2847
03:58:32,120 --> 03:58:33,800
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At sana ay nailalaan din natin.

2848
03:58:33,900 --> 03:58:39,120
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa ibang mga proyekto, halimbawa, yung tulong para sa mga children with disability,

2849
03:58:39,880 --> 03:58:45,380
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: yung tulong para sa mga nagiging biktima ng online sexual abuse and exploitation of children,

2850
03:58:46,000 --> 03:58:51,040
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: yung tulong para sa mga adolescent parents and mothers,

2851
03:58:51,820 --> 03:58:55,060
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ang lakiho na pangangailangan sa mga projects na yan.

2852
03:58:55,060 --> 03:59:00,060
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit nakita natin na hindi nabibigyan ng sapat na pondo.

2853
03:59:00,060 --> 03:59:02,300
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon.

2854
03:59:02,300 --> 03:59:02,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes.

2855
03:59:02,900 --> 03:59:03,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Opo.

2856
03:59:03,400 --> 03:59:06,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kung maaari po akong tumugon, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

2857
03:59:07,360 --> 03:59:11,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ito pong mga nabanggit po ni Representative Elago,

2858
03:59:12,400 --> 03:59:16,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: isa din po yan sa ating mga tinututukan ng mga programa.

2859
03:59:16,800 --> 03:59:22,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kung matatandaan po natin sa Barisipo para sa GAA ng taong 2026,

2860
03:59:22,740 --> 03:59:23,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dinagdagan po natin yan.

2861
03:59:23,900 --> 03:59:29,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nagdagdag po tayo sa Protect Teen under DSWD to protect,

2862
03:59:30,060 --> 03:59:30,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Adolescent Mothers.

2863
03:59:31,540 --> 03:59:36,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nagbigay din po tayo ng pondo sa ilalim ng OSIIC

2864
03:59:36,100 --> 03:59:41,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para po sa protection ng youth at yung mga kabataan po against abuses.

2865
03:59:41,880 --> 03:59:43,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, rest assured naman po,

2866
03:59:44,260 --> 03:59:52,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are making sure po that these programs also get the funding that they need po.

2867
03:59:53,200 --> 03:59:56,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi naman po dahil nagkakalon po ng pondo,

2868
03:59:56,100 --> 04:00:00,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: itong mga social services natin ay nakakaligtaan na po natin yung ibang mga programs.

2869
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:07,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na mahahalaga din. So I'm with you po on that in making sure that we are able to fund these programs as well.

2870
04:00:08,700 --> 04:00:16,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung dun po sa monitoring, siguro po pagdating po ng iba't-ibang mga ahensya, maaari din po nating talakayin sa kanila yan.

2871
04:00:16,960 --> 04:00:23,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pag na-isa lang po natin yung DSWD, yung DOLE, yung DOH dito po sa plenaryo.

2872
04:00:23,720 --> 04:00:35,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So commitment ko po, maaari po na tutulungan ko po ang ating kasamahan na matanong din po yung mga ahensya patungkol po dun sa monitoring nila ng implementasyon ng Section 19.

2873
04:00:35,660 --> 04:00:47,340
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, para ko sa kaalaman ng ating distinguished sponsor, na alam ko po ay talagang may pagtutok tulad ng kanyang nasabi sa mahalagang programa na ito

2874
04:00:47,340 --> 04:00:53,220
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: para sa 2027 na General Appropriations Bill, zero ang budget ng ESP.

2875
04:00:53,720 --> 04:01:02,520
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Enhanced Protecting, zero ang budget ng Project SAFE, zero ang budget para sa Project Aruga.

2876
04:01:02,520 --> 04:01:05,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yan po yung para sa children with disability.

2877
04:01:06,320 --> 04:01:23,580
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At nangangailangan at nananawagan sila na yung 25 million pesos na naibigay at nailagak para sa kanilang mga proyekto noong 2026 ay magpatuloy para sa 2027 at kung pwede pa nga ay mataas.

2878
04:01:23,720 --> 04:01:29,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Dahil gayon din kalaki yung pangangailangan sa mga proyekto na ito.

2879
04:01:29,100 --> 04:01:47,920
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon naman, aginoong speaker, hayaan nyo naman po ako magtanong tungkol sa pagpapaliwanag ng ating distinguished sponsor tungkol sa House Bill No. 10858 na naglalaman ng ating 2027 General Appropriations Bill.

2880
04:01:47,920 --> 04:01:51,920
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung babasahin po natin ang ating mga...

2881
04:01:53,720 --> 04:02:02,340
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: dahilan, ang paliwanag para sa ating mga budget priorities at direksyon para sa susunod na taon,

2882
04:02:03,120 --> 04:02:14,540
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: napaka-optimistic po ng ating mga nakikita para sa susunod na taon ng ating macroeconomic assumptions.

2883
04:02:15,540 --> 04:02:23,540
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa, para sa fiscal year 2027, ang ating projection para sa inflation rate ay nasa

2884
04:02:23,720 --> 04:02:25,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: 4% to 5% lamang.

2885
04:02:26,860 --> 04:02:33,180
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pagdating naman sa foreign exchange rate, nasa 60 pesos to 60 pesos lamang.

2886
04:02:34,000 --> 04:02:46,840
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At sa parehong halaga, aginoong speaker, ngayon hong September 2026, ay pareho na tayong lumagpas sa mga projection na ito para sa susunod na taon.

2887
04:02:47,600 --> 04:02:52,260
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya hong katanungan ko ay ano yung mga hakbang?

2888
04:02:52,260 --> 04:02:55,200
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para matiyak yung pagkamit.

2889
04:02:55,460 --> 04:02:57,720
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa, yung mga projection na ito.

2890
04:02:58,920 --> 04:03:09,260
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At paano natin magagawa rin na mapaunlad yung trabaho, yung kabuhayan, yung kalagayan ng ating mga kababayan?

2891
04:03:10,360 --> 04:03:20,400
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Lalo lalo na sa panahon ngayon na bagsak na bagsak ang piso, pataas ang presyo ng mga biligin, pataas ang presyo ng pagkain.

2892
04:03:20,400 --> 04:03:21,640
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At ito, ito, ito.

2893
04:03:22,260 --> 04:03:28,220
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Lumagpas na naman sa isang daang piso, tada litro, ang presyo ng gasolina.

2894
04:03:29,080 --> 04:03:36,900
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ayan po yung mga issue na lubos na nakapagpahirap sa ating mga kababayan.

2895
04:03:39,140 --> 04:03:40,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, this is my colleague.

2896
04:03:40,900 --> 04:03:51,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So pagdating po doon sa mga macroeconomic assumptions na nabanggit po, halimbawa po inflation rate, foreign exchange rate, unemployment rate,

2897
04:03:51,240 --> 04:04:04,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: GDP growth, lahat po ng mga economic assumptions po, ina-update po siya ng DBCC every three months.

2898
04:04:04,860 --> 04:04:13,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So quarterly po yung pag-update noong mga macroeconomic assumptions and targets, base po sa mga nangyayadi.

2899
04:04:13,120 --> 04:04:21,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Halimbawa po kung may pagkakaiba po, halimbawa sa ini-impose na US tariffs, kailangan po i-update yun because that affects the global trade.

2900
04:04:21,240 --> 04:04:27,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Or halimbawa po yung geopolitical conflict po sa Middle East, ina-update din po yun.

2901
04:04:27,920 --> 04:04:40,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So yun po yung dahilan kung bakit paminsan nagmumukha po na medyo optimistic siya masyado as compared to the current realities kasi i-update pa lang po siya.

2902
04:04:41,260 --> 04:04:50,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms po of papaano po natin i-bridge yung gap sa pagitan po noong targets at saka yung actual po na nangyayadi.

2903
04:04:51,240 --> 04:05:03,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang ginawa po sa pag-develop po noong budget, sinigurado po na maganda po yung kalidad noong mga spending priorities.

2904
04:05:03,440 --> 04:05:14,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ibig sabihin po, nag-focus po doon sa mga programa na may mataas na economic multipliers o di kaya mag-generate po ng mas magandang mga trabaho

2905
04:05:14,200 --> 04:05:20,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or mag-accelerate po ng government expenditures.

2906
04:05:21,240 --> 04:05:22,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And the like.

2907
04:05:22,620 --> 04:05:28,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ganun po yung ginagawa po ng DBCC family.

2908
04:05:28,480 --> 04:05:32,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ina-update po yung macroeconomic assumptions natin every three months.

2909
04:05:32,340 --> 04:05:46,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And at the same time po, sinisigurado po na yung mga pinapasok po ng mga activities and projects and programs sa budget ay talagang makakatulong po na mas mapabilis po yung paglago ng ating ekonomiya

2910
04:05:46,400 --> 04:05:51,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at makakatugon po doon sa pinakailangan ng ating mga kababayan.

2911
04:05:51,240 --> 04:05:58,400
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nabanggit Mr. Speaker ng ating Distinguished Sponsor yung tungkol sa pandaigdiga na crisis.

2912
04:05:58,820 --> 04:06:07,560
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit ang napakahalaga din na silipin natin paano naman yung krisis sa lokal na ekonomiya sa ating bayan.

2913
04:06:08,140 --> 04:06:12,220
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kumusta ba ang ating agrikultura? Kumusta ba ang ating manupaktura?

2914
04:06:12,640 --> 04:06:19,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At nakita po natin na ang agriculture at manufacturing, parehong bagsak na bagsak dito sa ating bansa.

2915
04:06:19,940 --> 04:06:26,760
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At makikita natin na halos walang nagbago mula 2026 sa kung paano natin tinitignan yung mga programa.

2916
04:06:26,920 --> 04:06:33,460
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa, pagdating sa micro-small-medium enterprise development program na nasa 900 million.

2917
04:06:34,120 --> 04:06:39,080
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nandiyan din yung industry development program na nasa 900 million noong 2026.

2918
04:06:39,380 --> 04:06:43,440
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At may konting pagtaas, may konting pagbaba para sa 2027.

2919
04:06:43,440 --> 04:06:48,800
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pero wala hong signifikante na pagbabago sa kung paano natin na minamalaki.

2920
04:06:48,800 --> 04:06:51,780
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yung pagpapaunlad ng lokal na produksyon.

2921
04:06:52,340 --> 04:07:01,280
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Gayun din ho, pagdating sa lokal na agrikultura, ang matagal na panawagan ng mga magsasaka at mga manginisda para sa production subsidy.

2922
04:07:01,860 --> 04:07:10,340
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para matiyak na sa harap ng mga sunod-sunod na malalakas na bagyo, mga habagat na may dalang malakas na pagulan.

2923
04:07:10,340 --> 04:07:14,560
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa extreme heat, dulot din ang super-elminyo.

2924
04:07:15,400 --> 04:07:18,780
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Hindi lang mas mainit, kundi mga mas madalas at mas malalakas na mga bagyo.

2925
04:07:18,800 --> 04:07:21,460
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Tulot ng banta ng super-elminyo.

2926
04:07:22,040 --> 04:07:30,580
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakita ho natin na hindi po gumalaw yung mga priorities at hindi nakalapat sa pangangailangan.

2927
04:07:31,160 --> 04:07:37,880
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung paano ba natin kitiyakin yung pagiging self-reliant ng ating national economy.

2928
04:07:38,260 --> 04:07:47,340
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Na tayo ho ay matibay, nakakatindig sa sarili nating paa sa panahon na may matinding pandaigdigan na krisis.

2929
04:07:48,800 --> 04:07:52,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague.

2930
04:07:52,760 --> 04:08:01,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So pagdating po sa agrikultura, kung titignan po natin, nandiyan pa rin po yung Rice Competitiveness Enhancement Fund.

2931
04:08:01,780 --> 04:08:09,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May 30 billion pesos pa rin po doon para po makatulong sa makinarya, binhi, training at pautang para po sa ating mga magsasaka.

2932
04:08:11,940 --> 04:08:16,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We recognize the point of our distinguished colleague na kung titignan po natin,

2933
04:08:16,960 --> 04:08:27,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: NEP to NEP or GAAT to NEP yung pondo po ng agricultural sector bumaba.

2934
04:08:29,940 --> 04:08:32,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: From GAAT to NEP po bumaba.

2935
04:08:32,580 --> 04:08:43,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po nung BARC po na isinagawa natin dito sa Kamara noong nakaraang taon, malaki po kasi yung mga naidagdag natin para po sa agrikultura.

2936
04:08:43,060 --> 04:08:46,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nakapaglagay po tayo para sa Presidential Assistance.

2937
04:08:46,960 --> 04:08:56,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Farmers and Fisher Folk, nakapaglagay po tayo para sa Farm to Market Road, mga deep water ports, mga irrigation, solar irrigation pumps and the like.

2938
04:08:56,400 --> 04:09:03,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So sa atin pong parte, sa parte po ng Committee on Appropriations at sa atin po dito sa Kamara,

2939
04:09:04,160 --> 04:09:13,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: iisa po yung ating paninindigan na gusto po talaga nating matulungan yung sektor ng agrikultura, gusto po nating matulungan ng ating mga magsasaka at manging isda.

2940
04:09:14,140 --> 04:09:16,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So on our part po, we will endeavor.

2941
04:09:16,960 --> 04:09:36,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In the next weeks that we are deliberating on the budget po at dinideliberate din po natin yung mga amyenda na gusto po nating maipasok na sana po magawa din natin yung nagawa natin noong nakaraang taon na madagdagan po natin yung mga pangangailangan na pondo ng ating agricultural sector.

2942
04:09:36,540 --> 04:09:40,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Lalo na po merong banta ng El Nino na papadating.

2943
04:09:41,080 --> 04:09:46,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So nabanggit din po yan ng DA, hingi po sana sa additional funding para sa...

2944
04:09:46,960 --> 04:09:51,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Utilizer assistance, mga subsidies para po sa ating mga magsasaka.

2945
04:09:51,820 --> 04:10:09,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang aking assurance ay sa mga dadating na linggo po, sisiguraduhin po din natin na mabibigyan natin ng prioridad yung mga pangangailangan ng agriculture sector para po mapaigting yung lokal na production at saka masecure po yung ating food security.

2946
04:10:11,040 --> 04:10:16,860
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: So seryoso tayo, ginaong speaker sa pagbibigay ng prioridad sa lokal na agrikultura at industrial.

2947
04:10:16,960 --> 04:10:28,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: So sa pagbibigay ng prioridad sa lokal na agrikultura at industrial, makakakita talaga tayo ng signifikante na pagbabago sa kung paano din nilalaanan ng kinakailangan pondo ang ating mga agencies na may kinalaman sa mga ito.

2948
04:10:28,620 --> 04:10:32,840
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Hindi natin kailangan ngayon ng bariya-bariya lang na pagtataas o bariya-bariyang pagbabago.

2949
04:10:33,640 --> 04:10:41,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kundi mas mataas, substantial, ayon sa pangangailangan para mapalakas ang ating agrikultura at industriyang Pilipino.

2950
04:10:41,940 --> 04:10:46,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon naman may kinalaman din dito, ginaong speaker, section 34 ng ating...

2951
04:10:46,960 --> 04:10:53,860
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: General Provisions ang tungkol sa Harmonized National Research and Development Agenda.

2952
04:10:54,320 --> 04:11:11,380
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maari mo bang magulat ang ating distinguished sponsor sa kung nasusunod ba talaga yung pambansa na koordinado na nagagamit natin yung bunga ng mga pananaliksik ng ating mga government research institutions

2953
04:11:11,380 --> 04:11:16,460
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa iba't ibang mga services, needs, programs.

2954
04:11:16,960 --> 04:11:20,780
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng iba't ibang national government agencies sa ating bansa.

2955
04:11:29,960 --> 04:11:35,920
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, kasama din dito, hindi lang po ang ating mga national government agencies,

2956
04:11:36,660 --> 04:11:43,240
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kabilang din ang local government units, ang academe, ang industry, ang communities.

2957
04:11:43,240 --> 04:11:46,240
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung paano ba titiyakin na yung...

2958
04:11:46,960 --> 04:11:59,280
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mga binawa, pinag-isipan, mga likha ng ating mga siyentista, ng ating mga manggagawa sa agham at teknolohiya ay lubos na napapakinabangan ng mamamayang Pilipino.

2959
04:11:59,960 --> 04:12:10,880
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yan ho ay nakalagay sa ating general provisions na mahalaga para wala hong masasayang na resources pagdating sa research and development.

2960
04:12:23,560 --> 04:12:29,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, my apologies po. The question po is how do we monitor po, di ba?

2961
04:12:32,100 --> 04:12:33,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'll defer po to DBM.

2962
04:13:00,490 --> 04:13:16,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, ito pong Section 34, yung Harmonized National Research and Development Agenda, the agency principally tasked to manage this government research and development agenda

2963
04:13:16,960 --> 04:13:37,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: One of the development agenda programs would be DOST. Sa kasalukuyin po, wala pong visibility yung DBM doon po sa actual na implementasyon nito. So kung papayagan po tayo na ating distinguished colleague, we can pose the same question to DOST when they're here for their plenary deliberations.

2964
04:13:38,240 --> 04:13:44,820
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, nagsumite ba ng progress report ang DOST tungkol dito sa ating House Committee on Appropriations?

2965
04:13:45,840 --> 04:13:46,820
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakalagay rin po kasi sa DOST.

2966
04:13:46,960 --> 04:14:10,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa Section 34 na dapat sila ay dalga bibigay ng kopya ng kanilang progress report. Hindi lang po sa House Committee on Appropriations pero sa, ganyan din po sa Senado, sa iba't ibang mahalaga po na officials na may kinalaman sa pagpapatupad ng General Appropriations Act.

2967
04:14:10,640 --> 04:14:16,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, given that the Committee on Appropriations is one of the recipients,

2968
04:14:16,960 --> 04:14:35,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: supposedly, of the report, we are doing a quick check lang po. Mr. Speaker, if we could revert back to our distinguished colleague, if we could move to a different question and then give us a few minutes lang po. We're checking with our staff in the Committee on Appropriations kung nagsumite na po sila.

2969
04:14:35,960 --> 04:14:46,960
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Speaker, natanong ko ito dahil ang DOST nakapag-develop ng isang local sexual assault investigation team.

2970
04:14:46,960 --> 04:15:00,020
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At nabalita nila sa atin dito sa Congress na namumblema sila, na meron silang napaunlad, meron silang produkto ng ating agham at teknoloy.

2971
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:03,840
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na dito mismo sa ating bansa na paunlad.

2972
04:15:04,440 --> 04:15:11,180
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit ang problema, hindi naman ito ang unang prioridad pagdating sa procurement.

2973
04:15:11,440 --> 04:15:16,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa, ng mga Women and Children Protection Unit sa ating mga ospital

2974
04:15:16,620 --> 04:15:25,640
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: para makatulong sa timely collection ng forensic evidence na may kinalaman sa sexual assault cases

2975
04:15:25,640 --> 04:15:32,740
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: at iba't iba pang kaso ng gender-based violence na makangailangan ng ganitong tipo ng kit.

2976
04:15:33,220 --> 04:15:38,680
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Namumblema po tayo na, kumbaga yung tawag po dyan ng mga Gen Z Millennials,

2977
04:15:38,820 --> 04:15:41,740
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: parang walang GC, parang hindi nag-uusap.

2978
04:15:41,740 --> 04:15:50,800
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Bagamat may ganitong napakahalagang seksyon, pero kanya-kanya po yung trabaho pagdating sa mga serbisyo at plataporma.

2979
04:15:51,340 --> 04:15:55,500
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nagtanong din po tayo sa harap halimbawa ng DICT.

2980
04:15:55,640 --> 04:16:05,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yung ginagamit ba nila ng mga software, programs, online, learning platforms na binabayaran natin ng mga subscription,

2981
04:16:06,960 --> 04:16:11,980
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: license renewal, yan ba ay gawa, na-develop ng mga Pilipino?

2982
04:16:12,640 --> 04:16:22,200
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kasi napakarami din po nating mga profesional, mga talento, siyentista, engineer, na eksperto sa development ng ganito.

2983
04:16:22,200 --> 04:16:25,020
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit, paano ba natin natitiyak?

2984
04:16:25,020 --> 04:16:32,380
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya yung kanila hong mga outputs ay nagagamit mismo din ng ating pamahalaan.

2985
04:16:32,500 --> 04:16:41,420
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya ho, aabangan natin yung submission ng ating committee pagdating sa napakahalagang agenda na ito.

2986
04:16:41,980 --> 04:16:49,660
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon naman, pagdating ho sa Section 35 na bilang panghuli sa Programs and Projects Related to Gender and Development.

2987
04:16:50,660 --> 04:16:53,060
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nagsumiti ho sa amin ang DBM.

2988
04:16:53,300 --> 04:16:54,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maraming salamat po.

2989
04:16:55,020 --> 04:17:02,000
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ang report na tungkol sa utilization ng Gender and Development Fund.

2990
04:17:02,900 --> 04:17:11,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Or, hindi pala fund, kasi dapat po integrated yan sa iba't-ibang mga programs, projects, at activities ng ating NGAs.

2991
04:17:11,780 --> 04:17:15,540
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pero napansin ho namin na meron ding hindi nagpasa.

2992
04:17:18,060 --> 04:17:22,680
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakasalukuyan ho ba na mga guidelines ng DBM?

2993
04:17:23,220 --> 04:17:24,540
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Meron ho ba tayong...

2994
04:17:25,020 --> 04:17:29,140
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ang ginagawa para itong mga hindi nagpapasa ng kanilang mga ulat,

2995
04:17:29,340 --> 04:17:36,020
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kung paano nila ginagamit yung at least 5% ng kanilang funding para sa Gender and Development,

2996
04:17:36,520 --> 04:17:48,220
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ay hindi lang ho nasasabikan, kundi napapaalalahanan at may pananagutan pagdating sa paggamit ng kanilang GAD budget.

2997
04:17:52,100 --> 04:17:54,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

2998
04:17:55,020 --> 04:18:02,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I think po dito, in terms of the monitoring, Commission on Audit po, yung parte po ng audit reports nila,

2999
04:18:02,780 --> 04:18:06,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung patungkol po sa Gender and Development program.

3000
04:18:06,280 --> 04:18:13,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, halimbawa po po may isang ahensya po na bumaba doon po sa 5% na requirement,

3001
04:18:13,940 --> 04:18:15,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kuwa po yung nagko-call out.

3002
04:18:16,000 --> 04:18:18,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Parte po yun ng kanilang audit findings.

3003
04:18:19,340 --> 04:18:21,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Maraming salamat, Ginong Speaker.

3004
04:18:21,720 --> 04:18:23,280
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At hindi lang po ito tungkol sa pag-comply doon sa at least 5%.

3005
04:18:25,020 --> 04:18:30,980
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pero pagkikiyak na talagang nagamit para sa layunin na i-integrate,

3006
04:18:32,200 --> 04:18:37,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: tunay na i-mainstream yung Gender and Development sa lahat ng mga programa, proyekto at aktividad,

3007
04:18:37,980 --> 04:18:42,780
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: yan ho ang ating bubusisiin pa sa mga susunod na deliberasyon dito sa plenaryo.

3008
04:18:42,880 --> 04:18:46,080
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maraming salamat, Ginong Speaker. Maraming salamat, Distinguished Sponsor.

3009
04:18:46,800 --> 04:18:50,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much to our Distinguished Colleague.

3010
04:18:50,540 --> 04:18:51,180
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Majority Leader.

3011
04:18:53,520 --> 04:18:54,620
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mr. Speaker.

3012
04:18:55,020 --> 04:19:01,200
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mr. Speaker, next to interpellate the sponsor, I move to recognize the Honorable Presley C. De Jesus of PHILRECA Party-list.

3013
04:19:01,860 --> 04:19:07,460
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Honorable Presley De Jesus of PHILRECA Party-list is recognized. Please proceed.

3014
04:19:08,560 --> 04:19:13,280
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, Distinguished Sponsor.

3015
04:19:13,280 --> 04:19:17,460
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: My question, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor,

3016
04:19:17,960 --> 04:19:23,280
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is it correct that the government expected to borrow for fiscal year 2027

3017
04:19:25,020 --> 04:19:31,400
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: P3.3 trillion to finance the expected fiscal deficit for 2027?

3018
04:19:32,320 --> 04:19:34,420
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Is that the amount correct? P3.3 trillion?

3019
04:19:40,300 --> 04:19:48,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, yes, I can confirm that. Total gross borrowing for 2027 is P3.3 trillion.

3020
04:19:49,220 --> 04:19:54,520
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So that P3.3 trillion does include the principal and interest. Is that correct?

3021
04:19:55,020 --> 04:19:56,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That is correct, Mr. Speaker.

3022
04:19:57,260 --> 04:20:04,580
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So for 2027, magkano po yung forecast natin na income natin?

3023
04:20:05,240 --> 04:20:10,580
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Coming from BIR, Bureau of Customs, and I guess other income.

3024
04:20:23,060 --> 04:20:23,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P3.3 trillion.

3025
04:20:23,540 --> 04:20:24,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, for 2020,

3026
04:20:25,020 --> 04:20:29,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sorry, for 2027, as indicated in the BASF po,

3027
04:20:30,260 --> 04:20:34,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: total projected revenues is at P5.2 trillion.

3028
04:20:34,840 --> 04:20:40,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Of that po, P4.85 trillion will be tax revenues,

3029
04:20:41,260 --> 04:20:47,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and P354 billion will be non-tax revenues po.

3030
04:20:48,620 --> 04:20:51,820
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So what's this P4.8 trillion?

3031
04:20:51,820 --> 04:20:51,960
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Ano?

3032
04:20:53,660 --> 04:20:54,400
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Ano yung breakdown?

3033
04:20:55,020 --> 04:20:56,100
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Can you repeat the breakdown, please?

3034
04:20:59,100 --> 04:21:06,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For, for, ano po, out of the P5.2 trillion total projected revenues,

3035
04:21:06,580 --> 04:21:11,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P4.85 trillion of that are projected to be tax revenues.

3036
04:21:11,700 --> 04:21:12,280
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: From BIR.

3037
04:21:12,880 --> 04:21:13,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sorry po.

3038
04:21:13,580 --> 04:21:14,120
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: From BIR.

3039
04:21:14,600 --> 04:21:15,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ito po yung breakdown.

3040
04:21:16,140 --> 04:21:24,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Out of the P4.85 trillion, for BIR po, BIR is projected to generate P3.74,

3041
04:21:25,020 --> 04:21:26,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion pesos.

3042
04:21:26,140 --> 04:21:32,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The Bureau of Customs expected to generate P1.07 trillion pesos.

3043
04:21:33,440 --> 04:21:36,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And other offices po, at P40 billion pesos.

3044
04:21:37,340 --> 04:21:38,600
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: P14 billion.

3045
04:21:38,840 --> 04:21:40,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P40 billion.

3046
04:21:40,120 --> 04:21:41,960
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: P40 billion, that's other.

3047
04:21:42,180 --> 04:21:43,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Other offices po.

3048
04:21:43,440 --> 04:21:47,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So do you know what's the breakdown of the other income?

3049
04:21:47,140 --> 04:21:49,140
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Is that the sales from privatization?

3050
04:21:50,380 --> 04:21:50,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yeah.

3051
04:21:52,020 --> 04:21:54,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang sigurado ko po yung sa privatization,

3052
04:21:54,380 --> 04:21:58,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P100 billion, P101 billion pesos po.

3053
04:22:00,240 --> 04:22:01,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero ano po yun eh.

3054
04:22:01,840 --> 04:22:02,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: You said?

3055
04:22:03,620 --> 04:22:04,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Non-tax po yun.

3056
04:22:04,920 --> 04:22:06,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi po siya parte ng tax revenues.

3057
04:22:07,480 --> 04:22:13,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, kukulitin po natin, out of the P5.2 trillion in total revenues,

3058
04:22:14,380 --> 04:22:17,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P4.85 trillion po yung tax revenues.

3059
04:22:18,440 --> 04:22:22,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tapos yun po yung binanggit ko na breakdown kanina ng BIR, BOC, and other offices.

3060
04:22:22,860 --> 04:22:23,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, P300 billion.

3061
04:22:24,380 --> 04:22:28,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: P354 billion po ang non-tax revenues.

3062
04:22:28,340 --> 04:22:30,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Doon po nakapasok yung privatization.

3063
04:22:31,320 --> 04:22:33,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So, the P3.3 trillion, no?

3064
04:22:34,100 --> 04:22:39,140
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So, out of that, the P2.4 trillion from domestic sources through treasury bills, ba?

3065
04:22:40,140 --> 04:22:41,360
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Yung P2.4 billion.

3066
04:22:41,600 --> 04:22:42,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: The P3.3 total.

3067
04:22:43,120 --> 04:22:44,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nasaan si Ma'am Sharon?

3068
04:22:44,300 --> 04:22:45,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ma'am Sharon?

3069
04:23:07,300 --> 04:23:10,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kinukuha lang po natin mula po sa DOF,

3070
04:23:10,640 --> 04:23:16,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung po breakdown ng by domestic versus foreign sources and by type po.

3071
04:23:16,680 --> 04:23:20,380
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Yeah, Mr. Speaker, kasi kailangang maintindihan natin mga kababayan kung bakit.

3072
04:23:20,800 --> 04:23:22,320
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Paano yung breakdown ng 3.3?

3073
04:23:23,220 --> 04:23:23,780
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Domestic?

3074
04:23:23,780 --> 04:23:26,440
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: saka externally

3075
04:23:26,440 --> 04:23:28,660
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: through programs.

3076
04:23:53,780 --> 04:23:55,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

3077
04:23:56,260 --> 04:23:57,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so with regard to the

3078
04:23:57,700 --> 04:23:59,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: total borrowings po,

3079
04:24:01,140 --> 04:24:02,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: gross external

3080
04:24:02,340 --> 04:24:03,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: borrowings account for

3081
04:24:03,760 --> 04:24:06,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 914 billion

3082
04:24:06,140 --> 04:24:10,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 914

3083
04:24:10,300 --> 04:24:12,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually

3084
04:24:12,060 --> 04:24:14,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 915 billion pesos po.

3085
04:24:15,280 --> 04:24:16,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Gross domestic borrowings

3086
04:24:16,780 --> 04:24:18,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: account for 2.39

3087
04:24:19,320 --> 04:24:20,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion.

3088
04:24:21,620 --> 04:24:23,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kung gusto po ba natin

3089
04:24:23,420 --> 04:24:24,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang breakdown ng

3090
04:24:24,640 --> 04:24:26,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: domestic borrowings.

3091
04:24:26,340 --> 04:24:28,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Andun po yung T-bills and fixed rate.

3092
04:24:28,500 --> 04:24:29,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Yes, please.

3093
04:24:29,500 --> 04:24:32,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa ilalim po noong gross domestic borrowings

3094
04:24:32,800 --> 04:24:34,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: out of the 2.39

3095
04:24:34,320 --> 04:24:35,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion,

3096
04:24:36,140 --> 04:24:38,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 60 billion of that

3097
04:24:38,040 --> 04:24:40,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are treasury bills.

3098
04:24:40,960 --> 04:24:41,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then the rest po,

3099
04:24:42,020 --> 04:24:44,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the remaining 2.33

3100
04:24:44,020 --> 04:24:46,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion are fixed rate treasury

3101
04:24:46,540 --> 04:24:47,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: bonds.

3102
04:24:48,000 --> 04:24:50,520
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you, Mr. Speaker,

3103
04:24:50,680 --> 04:24:51,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor.

3104
04:24:52,280 --> 04:24:53,200
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Moving forward,

3105
04:24:53,420 --> 04:24:55,440
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: just to continue from the line of

3106
04:24:55,440 --> 04:24:57,280
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: questioning of Representatives

3107
04:24:57,280 --> 04:24:59,540
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Tinio and Elago. Mr. Speaker,

3108
04:24:59,700 --> 04:25:00,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor,

3109
04:25:00,620 --> 04:25:02,380
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: when all debt

3110
04:25:02,380 --> 04:25:04,940
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: matures, the government

3111
04:25:04,940 --> 04:25:06,800
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: may need to borrow again

3112
04:25:06,800 --> 04:25:08,020
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: to replace it.

3113
04:25:08,920 --> 04:25:10,780
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: The problem is that some of

3114
04:25:10,780 --> 04:25:13,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the debt being refinanced

3115
04:25:13,000 --> 04:25:14,480
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: was contracted

3116
04:25:14,480 --> 04:25:15,940
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: during pandemic.

3117
04:25:17,120 --> 04:25:18,660
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: When interest rates were

3118
04:25:18,660 --> 04:25:19,960
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: relatively low,

3119
04:25:23,420 --> 04:25:25,280
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: if the new loans carry higher

3120
04:25:25,280 --> 04:25:27,340
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: interest rate, the government will

3121
04:25:27,340 --> 04:25:29,380
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: have to pay more to service

3122
04:25:29,380 --> 04:25:31,260
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the same debts. Is this

3123
04:25:31,260 --> 04:25:32,480
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: observation accurate?

3124
04:25:33,700 --> 04:25:35,420
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Because remember, during pandemic, there's

3125
04:25:35,420 --> 04:25:37,480
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: no businesses at all. So talaga,

3126
04:25:37,900 --> 04:25:39,360
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: walang umuutang, walang

3127
04:25:39,360 --> 04:25:40,840
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: business at all, kaya mababa

3128
04:25:40,840 --> 04:25:43,300
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ang rate natin. And ngayon,

3129
04:25:43,820 --> 04:25:45,500
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: because the pandemic

3130
04:25:45,500 --> 04:25:47,880
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: problem resurfaced

3131
04:25:47,880 --> 04:25:49,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ngayon, binabayaran natin ngayon

3132
04:25:49,620 --> 04:25:50,820
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: with different

3133
04:25:50,820 --> 04:25:52,900
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: interest rate. So,

3134
04:25:53,420 --> 04:25:55,120
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: paano maapektuhan yun sa atin ngayon ito?

3135
04:26:10,700 --> 04:26:11,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

3136
04:26:12,560 --> 04:26:14,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague, to be able

3137
04:26:14,240 --> 04:26:16,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to cushion

3138
04:26:16,300 --> 04:26:17,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: any

3139
04:26:17,540 --> 04:26:19,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: exposure

3140
04:26:19,740 --> 04:26:22,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to external shocks, 70%

3141
04:26:22,480 --> 04:26:23,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po of our

3142
04:26:23,380 --> 04:26:27,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: borrowings are

3143
04:26:27,080 --> 04:26:29,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: domestic. So, that's the reason

3144
04:26:29,220 --> 04:26:31,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po why kahit

3145
04:26:31,200 --> 04:26:32,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: paano po na babawasan po yung

3146
04:26:32,920 --> 04:26:35,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: exposure natin sa foreign shocks.

3147
04:26:35,200 --> 04:26:37,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And within the domestic borrowings

3148
04:26:37,220 --> 04:26:38,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po, we

3149
04:26:38,600 --> 04:26:40,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: recognize the point of our distinguished

3150
04:26:40,940 --> 04:26:43,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleague that the rates as of

3151
04:26:43,140 --> 04:26:45,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: now are elevated as compared to

3152
04:26:45,320 --> 04:26:47,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: during the time of the pandemic

3153
04:26:47,060 --> 04:26:48,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: when these loans were

3154
04:26:48,840 --> 04:26:50,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: secured. But the way po

3155
04:26:50,960 --> 04:26:52,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that we are also reducing

3156
04:26:52,400 --> 04:27:06,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our exposure is that 90% of our gross domestic borrowings are fixed rate treasury bonds. So, at least po, hindi po tayo dumidepende sa prevailing market interest rates.

3157
04:27:06,940 --> 04:27:11,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, at least medyo nagbe-blend siya because of the domestic borrowings.

3158
04:27:11,300 --> 04:27:21,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Dalawa po. We rely mostly on domestic borrowings and within our domestic borrowings, 90% of those are fixed rate treasury bonds.

3159
04:27:22,400 --> 04:27:24,280
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Fixed rate, that's the most important thing.

3160
04:27:24,700 --> 04:27:26,440
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Okay. So, am I correct

3161
04:27:26,440 --> 04:27:28,720
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: in stating that this situation

3162
04:27:28,720 --> 04:27:30,460
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: means that a larger portion

3163
04:27:30,460 --> 04:27:32,420
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: of government spending will be

3164
04:27:32,420 --> 04:27:34,300
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: tied up in debt payments in

3165
04:27:34,300 --> 04:27:36,700
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: 2027? Debt service

3166
04:27:36,700 --> 04:27:38,120
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: projected to account for

3167
04:27:38,120 --> 04:27:40,600
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: 39.2% of total

3168
04:27:40,600 --> 04:27:41,840
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: government expenditures,

3169
04:27:42,620 --> 04:27:44,660
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: an increase of 7.6%

3170
04:27:44,660 --> 04:27:46,560
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: points from the previous

3171
04:27:46,560 --> 04:27:48,100
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: year. Is this correct?

3172
04:27:51,360 --> 04:27:52,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

3173
04:27:52,400 --> 04:27:54,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we may clarify, is it debt servicing

3174
04:27:54,480 --> 04:27:56,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a percentage of

3175
04:27:56,120 --> 04:27:58,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the budget or as a percentage of GDP po?

3176
04:27:58,880 --> 04:27:59,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung percentage po.

3177
04:28:00,480 --> 04:28:01,300
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Percentage of GDP.

3178
04:28:35,050 --> 04:28:38,240
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: For 2027 po,

3179
04:28:38,240 --> 04:28:44,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, based on the data from the DOF for 2027 po, if we look at interest

3180
04:28:44,480 --> 04:28:46,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments as a percentage of

3181
04:28:46,480 --> 04:28:48,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: GDP, the figure that we have

3182
04:28:48,460 --> 04:28:49,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po is 3.4%.

3183
04:28:49,880 --> 04:28:52,380
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

3184
04:28:52,400 --> 04:28:53,440
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor.

3185
04:28:54,880 --> 04:28:56,240
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: My point is,

3186
04:28:56,420 --> 04:28:58,300
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: how long the Filipino taxpayers

3187
04:28:58,300 --> 04:28:59,640
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: expect

3188
04:28:59,640 --> 04:29:01,680
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: to pay these debts?

3189
04:29:02,460 --> 04:29:04,420
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: This portion of the budget represents

3190
04:29:04,420 --> 04:29:06,700
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: money that have been allocated

3191
04:29:06,700 --> 04:29:08,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: for projects that can actually

3192
04:29:08,620 --> 04:29:10,460
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: be felt and experienced

3193
04:29:10,460 --> 04:29:12,280
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: by Filipinos. Because

3194
04:29:12,280 --> 04:29:14,600
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: continued budget deficits

3195
04:29:14,600 --> 04:29:16,580
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: that will be financed

3196
04:29:16,580 --> 04:29:18,120
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: by additional borrowings

3197
04:29:18,120 --> 04:29:20,360
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: will continue to experience

3198
04:29:20,360 --> 04:29:22,240
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: these increases annually,

3199
04:29:22,400 --> 04:29:24,780
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: perpetually, until

3200
04:29:24,780 --> 04:29:26,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: we reach a point that maybe half of

3201
04:29:26,620 --> 04:29:28,580
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: our budget goes to debt servicing.

3202
04:29:29,620 --> 04:29:30,540
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Ito na po yung nakikita

3203
04:29:30,540 --> 04:29:32,140
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ang kinakatakutan po natin, no?

3204
04:29:32,840 --> 04:29:34,540
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Because, Mr. Speaker,

3205
04:29:34,660 --> 04:29:36,500
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor, every year,

3206
04:29:36,900 --> 04:29:38,680
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: I'm not blaming any

3207
04:29:38,680 --> 04:29:40,680
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: administration, kasi ito na talaga eh.

3208
04:29:41,180 --> 04:29:41,860
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Doon na yung papunta.

3209
04:29:42,280 --> 04:29:43,260
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So, dating ba tayo,

3210
04:29:43,700 --> 04:29:46,320
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor,

3211
04:29:47,080 --> 04:29:48,560
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: na dating ba tayo na pano na

3212
04:29:48,560 --> 04:29:50,400
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: kalahatin ng ating budget

3213
04:29:50,400 --> 04:29:51,720
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: will be

3214
04:29:51,720 --> 04:29:53,780
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: allocated for debt servicing

3215
04:29:53,780 --> 04:29:55,900
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: principal interest. Dating ba tayo

3216
04:29:55,900 --> 04:29:57,680
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: sa ganung oras? Kasi right now, it's

3217
04:29:57,680 --> 04:30:00,120
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: one-third. Am I right? Almost one-third.

3218
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:01,940
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: third of our total

3219
04:30:01,940 --> 04:30:04,220
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: budget, pambahid lang natin

3220
04:30:04,220 --> 04:30:05,700
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ng interest

3221
04:30:05,700 --> 04:30:08,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: at principal. Ang kinakatukot

3222
04:30:08,000 --> 04:30:10,080
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ng ko po rito, baka dumating araw,

3223
04:30:10,840 --> 04:30:11,700
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: 50%

3224
04:30:11,700 --> 04:30:13,720
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: pambahid natin. Ano pa

3225
04:30:13,720 --> 04:30:15,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: mangyayari sa ating mga social

3226
04:30:15,620 --> 04:30:16,600
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: services natin?

3227
04:30:17,620 --> 04:30:19,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa kasalukuyin po, Mr. Speaker,

3228
04:30:19,720 --> 04:30:21,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: just to clarify po, interest

3229
04:30:21,660 --> 04:30:23,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments as a percentage

3230
04:30:23,960 --> 04:30:26,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the budget is at 15%

3231
04:30:26,160 --> 04:30:27,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at the moment.

3232
04:30:28,300 --> 04:30:29,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ngayon po,

3233
04:30:29,520 --> 04:30:31,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang pinitignan po, ang goal din po

3234
04:30:31,560 --> 04:30:33,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating economic managers

3235
04:30:33,020 --> 04:30:35,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is to do fiscal consolidation.

3236
04:30:36,200 --> 04:30:37,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the goal po is to narrow

3237
04:30:37,680 --> 04:30:39,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the deficit as we go along.

3238
04:30:40,520 --> 04:30:42,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ang target po

3239
04:30:42,560 --> 04:30:43,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is by

3240
04:30:43,320 --> 04:30:45,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027

3241
04:30:45,280 --> 04:30:47,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: from 5.4%

3242
04:30:47,820 --> 04:30:50,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sorry, from a 5.4

3243
04:30:50,240 --> 04:30:51,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ratio in

3244
04:30:51,500 --> 04:30:53,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2026, bababa po ng

3245
04:30:53,360 --> 04:30:55,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 5.1 ng

3246
04:30:55,220 --> 04:30:57,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 and by 2030 po,

3247
04:30:57,660 --> 04:30:59,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hopefully, 3.5%.

3248
04:30:59,520 --> 04:31:01,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung debt to GDP ratio

3249
04:31:01,780 --> 04:31:03,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po natin. So

3250
04:31:03,360 --> 04:31:05,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ngayon po, I recognize

3251
04:31:05,680 --> 04:31:07,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the point po of our distinguished

3252
04:31:07,340 --> 04:31:09,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleague that this is also eating up

3253
04:31:09,600 --> 04:31:11,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our fiscal space,

3254
04:31:11,540 --> 04:31:13,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the debt servicing, the interest

3255
04:31:13,320 --> 04:31:15,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments. As mentioned earlier

3256
04:31:15,660 --> 04:31:17,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po, in 2028,

3257
04:31:18,540 --> 04:31:19,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang target po kasi

3258
04:31:19,460 --> 04:31:21,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is the same level of 7.2

3259
04:31:21,680 --> 04:31:23,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: trillion pesos in terms of the budget.

3260
04:31:23,800 --> 04:31:25,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So given that we have higher interest

3261
04:31:25,400 --> 04:31:27,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments po, it will

3262
04:31:27,520 --> 04:31:29,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: eat up our fiscal space.

3263
04:31:29,520 --> 04:31:31,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero rest assured po,

3264
04:31:31,580 --> 04:31:33,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we will make sure in the

3265
04:31:33,480 --> 04:31:35,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: way that we craft the budget for

3266
04:31:35,080 --> 04:31:37,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027, hindi po

3267
04:31:37,640 --> 04:31:39,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: bababa

3268
04:31:39,640 --> 04:31:41,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung ating

3269
04:31:41,980 --> 04:31:43,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: budget para sa social

3270
04:31:43,340 --> 04:31:45,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: services at iba pang mga

3271
04:31:45,000 --> 04:31:47,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: critical na mga proyekto at programa

3272
04:31:47,600 --> 04:31:49,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dahil po sa interest

3273
04:31:49,540 --> 04:31:51,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: payments at sa debt servicing. So we will

3274
04:31:51,460 --> 04:31:52,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: make sure po that we safeguard

3275
04:31:52,940 --> 04:31:55,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the budget for

3276
04:31:55,240 --> 04:31:56,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: those critical

3277
04:31:56,980 --> 04:31:57,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: programs.

3278
04:31:59,520 --> 04:32:01,500
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Mr. Sponsor, yun lang naman kailangan natin, no?

3279
04:32:01,580 --> 04:32:03,500
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: We need to safeguard. Kasi tayang.

3280
04:32:04,000 --> 04:32:05,940
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Just imagine, yung ordinaryong

3281
04:32:05,940 --> 04:32:07,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: pamilya, kumikita lang

3282
04:32:07,620 --> 04:32:09,560
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: ng 10,000, nakakapag-save sila.

3283
04:32:10,160 --> 04:32:11,560
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Tayo, we need to

3284
04:32:11,560 --> 04:32:13,880
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: borrow money para lang

3285
04:32:13,880 --> 04:32:15,700
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: we know, we understand, we have to

3286
04:32:15,700 --> 04:32:17,820
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: pump up the economy. Kailangan natin

3287
04:32:17,820 --> 04:32:18,920
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: niya para umiikot ang

3288
04:32:18,920 --> 04:32:19,960
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: economy natin.

3289
04:32:21,160 --> 04:32:23,220
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Mr. Speaker, Mr. Sponsor,

3290
04:32:23,840 --> 04:32:25,700
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal year 2027 budget

3291
04:32:25,700 --> 04:32:27,380
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: claims to pursue

3292
04:32:27,380 --> 04:32:29,300
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal consolidation.

3293
04:32:29,520 --> 04:32:31,680
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Consolidation. But if consolidation

3294
04:32:31,680 --> 04:32:33,720
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is proceeding more slowly

3295
04:32:33,720 --> 04:32:35,700
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: than originally intended

3296
04:32:35,700 --> 04:32:37,900
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: and debt to GDP

3297
04:32:37,900 --> 04:32:40,060
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is projected to rise

3298
04:32:40,060 --> 04:32:42,380
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: from 66%

3299
04:32:42,380 --> 04:32:43,820
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: in 2026

3300
04:32:43,820 --> 04:32:46,240
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: to 72.9%

3301
04:32:46,240 --> 04:32:47,200
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: by 2030,

3302
04:32:47,880 --> 04:32:49,720
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: can we really say that the current

3303
04:32:49,720 --> 04:32:51,160
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal path is sufficient

3304
04:32:51,160 --> 04:32:53,240
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: to stabilize our debt?

3305
04:33:25,520 --> 04:33:26,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

3306
04:33:26,080 --> 04:33:27,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague,

3307
04:33:27,040 --> 04:33:29,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we recognize the

3308
04:33:29,480 --> 04:33:31,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: point po and we agree that given

3309
04:33:31,440 --> 04:33:33,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the macroeconomic

3310
04:33:33,140 --> 04:33:35,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: situation, the geopolitical

3311
04:33:35,460 --> 04:33:37,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: political conflict,

3312
04:33:37,940 --> 04:33:39,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: external trade shocks

3313
04:33:39,660 --> 04:33:41,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the like, mas bumagal po

3314
04:33:41,860 --> 04:33:43,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: than projected.

3315
04:33:43,600 --> 04:33:43,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung

3316
04:33:43,960 --> 04:33:46,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pagbaba

3317
04:33:46,920 --> 04:33:49,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong debt to GDP ratio natin.

3318
04:33:49,980 --> 04:33:51,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, if we look

3319
04:33:51,600 --> 04:33:53,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at the projections po, between

3320
04:33:53,560 --> 04:33:56,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2026 and 2030,

3321
04:33:56,120 --> 04:33:57,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the goal is to

3322
04:33:57,900 --> 04:33:59,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: reduce the debt

3323
04:33:59,480 --> 04:34:00,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to GDP ratio from

3324
04:34:00,780 --> 04:34:04,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 58.6 in 2026

3325
04:34:04,760 --> 04:34:08,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to 56.1 in 2030.

3326
04:34:08,540 --> 04:34:10,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So even po, even if the fiscal

3327
04:34:10,600 --> 04:34:13,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: consolidation slowed down,

3328
04:34:13,000 --> 04:34:14,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the rate of fiscal consolidation

3329
04:34:14,720 --> 04:34:17,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: slowed down, the goal po is by

3330
04:34:17,220 --> 04:34:19,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2030, we'll be able to reduce

3331
04:34:19,240 --> 04:34:21,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: debt to GDP ratio by

3332
04:34:21,080 --> 04:34:23,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at least 2.5%.

3333
04:34:23,940 --> 04:34:25,040
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you.

3334
04:34:25,040 --> 04:34:27,100
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: While there is no immediate liquidity

3335
04:34:27,100 --> 04:34:29,320
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: crisis, medium term

3336
04:34:29,320 --> 04:34:31,620
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal risks are increasing.

3337
04:34:31,620 --> 04:34:33,360
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So the issue is not whether we are

3338
04:34:33,360 --> 04:34:35,480
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: in a debt crisis today,

3339
04:34:35,480 --> 04:34:38,060
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: but whether we are moving forward

3340
04:34:38,060 --> 04:34:40,180
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: toward a sustainable debt

3341
04:34:40,180 --> 04:34:41,400
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: trajectory.

3342
04:34:41,400 --> 04:34:42,400
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: This is correct.

3343
04:34:51,460 --> 04:34:53,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, we can say

3344
04:34:53,460 --> 04:34:55,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that yes, it is sustainable

3345
04:34:55,860 --> 04:34:58,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the benchmark for

3346
04:34:58,660 --> 04:35:01,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: general government debt is at 70%.

3347
04:35:01,640 --> 04:35:04,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And right now, we are at 58.6%.

3348
04:35:04,440 --> 04:35:06,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And targeting to go down

3349
04:35:06,580 --> 04:35:09,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to 56.1% by 2030.

3350
04:35:10,760 --> 04:35:13,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Can you also confirm the statement

3351
04:35:13,000 --> 04:35:14,320
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: that weaker economic

3352
04:35:14,320 --> 04:35:16,500
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: growth presents

3353
04:35:16,500 --> 04:35:19,040
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the greatest risk to the country's

3354
04:35:19,040 --> 04:35:19,900
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: debt trajectory?

3355
04:35:20,640 --> 04:35:21,880
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Would it therefore be

3356
04:35:21,880 --> 04:35:24,280
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: counterproductive to pursue

3357
04:35:24,280 --> 04:35:26,760
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: fiscal consolidation

3358
04:35:26,760 --> 04:35:28,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: by indiscriminate

3359
04:35:28,000 --> 04:35:30,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: cutting productive

3360
04:35:30,000 --> 04:35:31,740
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: public spending?

3361
04:35:38,980 --> 04:35:39,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

3362
04:35:39,940 --> 04:35:42,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the economic managers

3363
04:35:42,220 --> 04:35:43,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the government is focusing

3364
04:35:43,680 --> 04:35:46,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on quality spending.

3365
04:35:46,560 --> 04:35:48,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we're focusing on projects

3366
04:35:48,360 --> 04:35:50,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with high economic

3367
04:35:50,300 --> 04:35:51,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: multipliers.

3368
04:35:52,080 --> 04:35:53,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So even though we are

3369
04:35:53,840 --> 04:35:56,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: technically cutting down on

3370
04:35:56,100 --> 04:35:57,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: spending, we are,

3371
04:35:58,000 --> 04:36:00,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: making sure that those

3372
04:36:00,000 --> 04:36:03,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: expenditure items are of high quality

3373
04:36:03,000 --> 04:36:05,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and have high economic multipliers.

3374
04:36:05,000 --> 04:36:06,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you,

3375
04:36:06,000 --> 04:36:08,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor.

3376
04:36:08,000 --> 04:36:09,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Again, my follow-up question.

3377
04:36:09,000 --> 04:36:12,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: If expenditure cuts

3378
04:36:12,000 --> 04:36:14,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: cannot be the sole answer,

3379
04:36:14,000 --> 04:36:16,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: what then should be the way forward

3380
04:36:16,000 --> 04:36:20,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: for the fiscal year 2027 budget?

3381
04:36:40,220 --> 04:36:45,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, for 2027,

3382
04:36:45,000 --> 04:36:48,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it is still a budget that is a product

3383
04:36:48,000 --> 04:36:50,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of fiscal consolidation.

3384
04:36:50,000 --> 04:36:52,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The goal is to focus,

3385
04:36:52,000 --> 04:36:55,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as I mentioned, on quality spending

3386
04:36:55,000 --> 04:36:57,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in order to accelerate growth.

3387
04:36:57,000 --> 04:36:59,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And for it to facilitate

3388
04:36:59,000 --> 04:37:01,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: economic recovery,

3389
04:37:01,000 --> 04:37:03,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: given the previous shocks

3390
04:37:03,000 --> 04:37:05,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were experienced by our economy

3391
04:37:05,000 --> 04:37:07,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the past

3392
04:37:07,000 --> 04:37:09,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: quarters.

3393
04:37:09,000 --> 04:37:11,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Okay, how about those

3394
04:37:11,000 --> 04:37:13,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: tax revenue natin?

3395
04:37:13,000 --> 04:37:15,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Will they have to streamline it?

3396
04:37:15,000 --> 04:37:17,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Kasi meraming inefficient tax

3397
04:37:17,000 --> 04:37:19,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: expenditures tayo eh. Is it

3398
04:37:19,000 --> 04:37:21,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: possible na isama

3399
04:37:21,000 --> 04:37:23,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: natin sila yung revenue

3400
04:37:23,000 --> 04:37:25,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: mobilization natin para

3401
04:37:25,000 --> 04:37:26,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: maging mas effective?

3402
04:37:26,000 --> 04:37:28,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: At magiging ano tayo,

3403
04:37:28,000 --> 04:37:30,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: kumbaga magiging competitive tayo?

3404
04:37:30,000 --> 04:37:32,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Kasi right now,

3405
04:37:32,000 --> 04:37:34,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: yung deficiency natin masyado na malaki.

3406
04:37:34,000 --> 04:37:36,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Remember, almost 5 trillion

3407
04:37:36,000 --> 04:37:38,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: compared to 7.2 trillion.

3408
04:37:38,000 --> 04:37:40,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So medyo malaki ang ating

3409
04:37:40,000 --> 04:37:42,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: deficit ngayon.

3410
04:37:42,000 --> 04:37:44,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Kung gaganda ang ating collection,

3411
04:37:44,000 --> 04:37:46,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: at least, no,

3412
04:37:46,000 --> 04:37:48,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: 1 trillion a year o 1.5 trillion

3413
04:37:48,000 --> 04:37:50,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: na borrowings natin,

3414
04:37:50,000 --> 04:37:52,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: deficit siguro ay maganda.

3415
04:37:52,000 --> 04:37:54,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: So,

3416
04:37:54,000 --> 04:37:56,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is there any

3417
04:37:56,000 --> 04:37:58,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: future actions

3418
04:37:58,000 --> 04:38:00,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: na pabain natin ng ating

3419
04:38:00,000 --> 04:38:02,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: deficit by streamlining

3420
04:38:02,000 --> 04:38:04,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: yung ating mga collection?

3421
04:38:40,000 --> 04:38:42,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mister Speaker,

3422
04:38:42,000 --> 04:38:44,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague,

3423
04:38:44,000 --> 04:38:46,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: if we compare our revenue effort

3424
04:38:46,000 --> 04:38:48,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of

3425
04:38:48,000 --> 04:38:50,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: benchmarking it with

3426
04:38:50,000 --> 04:38:52,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: peer countries,

3427
04:38:52,000 --> 04:38:59,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: currently at 16.6 percent in the first half of 2026 and we are doing better than several of our

3428
04:39:00,400 --> 04:39:06,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: peer countries for example malaysia is at 15.7 percent thailand at 15.6 percent in indonesia at

3429
04:39:06,960 --> 04:39:15,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 11.5 percent so in terms of revenue effort our our country is doing well um and the dof is saying

3430
04:39:15,280 --> 04:39:24,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that they are also implementing um programs uh uh in order to uh optimize the non-tax revenues

3431
04:39:24,640 --> 04:39:32,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so um they are trying to maximize our revenues sure we are at par with our neighboring countries

3432
04:39:33,440 --> 04:39:38,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um actually we're doing even better um than than several of our peer countries although

3433
04:39:38,720 --> 04:39:44,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: singapore and vietnam are ahead in terms of our revenue efforts but we're we're doing well

3434
04:39:45,280 --> 04:39:52,640
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: compared to our peer countries thank you speaker thank you uh uh sponsor my next question

3435
04:39:53,760 --> 04:40:01,840
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the fiscal year 2027 this is about social services budget increases overall by six percent yet the

3436
04:40:01,840 --> 04:40:12,800
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: social services sector climbs by 5.5 or 143.7 billion the reductions include health education

3437
04:40:13,360 --> 04:40:15,200
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: and manpower development and

3438
04:40:15,280 --> 04:40:23,840
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: social security welfare and employment meanwhile economic services increases by 17.8 percent

3439
04:40:24,560 --> 04:40:25,760
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: is this figure correct

3440
04:40:32,280 --> 04:40:35,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Mr. Speaker, if we compare GAA to NEP, opo, bumaba po yung

3441
04:40:35,960 --> 04:40:39,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: specifically because of the capital outlay components po.

3442
04:40:39,440 --> 04:40:43,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Malaki po kasi yung ating naibigay sa parte po ng Kamara

3443
04:40:43,360 --> 04:40:53,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: during the BARC deliberations. But based on the utilization rates po,

3444
04:40:53,200 --> 04:40:58,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for example, for BEF, for HFEP, and for farm-to-market roads,

3445
04:40:58,040 --> 04:41:03,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: medyo mababa po yung utilization rate. So on the part of the executive,

3446
04:41:03,280 --> 04:41:10,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: binaba po ulit nila, back to previous NEP levels as compared to GAA.

3447
04:41:10,080 --> 04:41:12,880
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: just for the allocation is that the justification

3448
04:41:12,880 --> 04:41:13,760
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: just for the allocation? Is that the justification natin, yan ba iyon?

3449
04:41:15,360 --> 04:41:22,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Sa parte po ng executive, iyon po yung justification nila. But again, on the part of the House,

3450
04:41:22,240 --> 04:41:29,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we will endeavor to recalibrate the funding levels for these

3451
04:41:29,040 --> 04:41:31,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: critical programs.

3452
04:41:31,200 --> 04:41:35,080
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: About the privatization proceeds,

3453
04:41:35,080 --> 04:41:39,520
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Distinguished Sponsor, the fiscal year 2027 revenue program

3454
04:41:39,520 --> 04:41:41,320
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: includes approximately

3455
04:41:41,320 --> 04:41:43,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: binanggit mo kanina,

3456
04:41:43,000 --> 04:41:46,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: P101.5 billion in privatization proceeds.

3457
04:41:46,420 --> 04:41:54,060
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Yet, this target was originally contemplated for an earlier budget and has already been deferred twice.

3458
04:41:54,800 --> 04:41:59,300
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: If our information is accurate, tama mo ba ito?

3459
04:42:00,600 --> 04:42:03,180
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: The other income natin, privatization?

3460
04:42:03,180 --> 04:42:14,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, actually po, this representation actually asked about that during the DBCC hearing

3461
04:42:14,740 --> 04:42:25,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because the 101 billion is a lot higher than their previous projections in terms of the privatization revenues.

3462
04:42:26,000 --> 04:42:32,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Dati po, the highest was I think at 35 billion and for 2027, they projected at 101 billion.

3463
04:42:32,480 --> 04:42:37,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, ang sagot po ni SECDEC nung tinanong ko po yun,

3464
04:42:38,120 --> 04:42:47,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: they have several privatization projects in the pipeline that would, we'll give the example.

3465
04:42:48,380 --> 04:42:55,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We can mention several po of these privatization projects in the pipeline.

3466
04:42:55,060 --> 04:43:03,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there's the Mile Long asset, FTI, SLEX shares, and Semirara shares.

3467
04:43:03,660 --> 04:43:07,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Totaling 60 billion among others.

3468
04:43:07,680 --> 04:43:12,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun po yung projected nila na privatization revenues for 2027.

3469
04:43:13,500 --> 04:43:16,100
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor.

3470
04:43:16,780 --> 04:43:25,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Ultimately, the challenge is not simply to reduce the deficit or keep that below a particular numerical threshold.

3471
04:43:25,220 --> 04:43:33,120
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: It is to place our debt on a path toward stabilization and eventual decline without sacrificing

3472
04:43:33,120 --> 04:43:47,200
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: the economic growth that makes that objective possible. So the goal is not simply to spend less today, but to build a stronger economy that can generate more revenues.

3473
04:43:47,200 --> 04:44:14,040
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: In crafting that 2027 budget, we must make targeted investment in the foundations of economic growth, reliable and affordable energy, better infrastructure, human capital education, support for productive industries, MSMEs, faster and more predictable government processes,

3474
04:44:14,040 --> 04:44:17,180
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: and an environment that attracts both domestic and international demand.

3475
04:44:17,200 --> 04:44:33,460
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: And of course, this is on top of efforts improving the efficiency of public spending, so that every peso of government expenditure contributes as much as possible productivity and job creation.

3476
04:44:34,180 --> 04:44:37,920
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: That is the balance we should pursue as we move forward with this debate.

3477
04:44:38,860 --> 04:44:43,760
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Those are all my questions, Mr. Speaker and Madam Sponsor. Thank you for the opportunity.

3478
04:44:43,760 --> 04:44:47,000
Rep. Presley C. De Jesus: Thank you very much.

3479
04:44:47,200 --> 04:44:50,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, thank you very much to our distinguished colleague, the Honorable Presley De Jesus.

3480
04:44:51,100 --> 04:44:53,420
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Thank you, the Honorable De Jesus. Majority Leader.

3481
04:44:53,760 --> 04:44:59,640
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mr. Speaker, next to interpellate, I move to recognize the Honorable Sergio Dagooc of APEC Party-list.

3482
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:05,000
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Honorable Sergio Dagooc of APEC Party-list is recognized. Please proceed.

3483
04:45:05,820 --> 04:45:09,340
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Majority Leader.

3484
04:45:11,300 --> 04:45:18,660
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang paborito bang Sir ay pwedeng matanong ng ilang katanungan?

3485
04:45:18,760 --> 04:45:21,000
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Hindi kita pahirapan kasi...

3486
04:45:22,320 --> 04:45:24,460
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Buti lang nakaupo si Sir, no?

3487
04:45:24,460 --> 04:45:31,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, of course, Mr. Speaker. I would be honored to field questions from the Honorable Sergio Dagooc.

3488
04:45:31,820 --> 04:45:37,680
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: The distinguished sponsor is aware of what sector I am representing.

3489
04:45:38,580 --> 04:45:50,540
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, hindi ko na po ulitin yung mga natanong na kanina kung saan nang gagaling yung ating mga revenue na ipupundo dito kasama na ako yung mga utang.

3490
04:45:50,540 --> 04:45:53,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: For the interest of the public,

3491
04:45:54,460 --> 04:45:58,420
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kailangan kasi very important yung issue ng kuryente.

3492
04:45:59,720 --> 04:46:04,180
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kaya kailangan kong mag-Tagalog kahit hirap ako dahil bisaya ako.

3493
04:46:04,940 --> 04:46:08,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, during the budget briefing,

3494
04:46:09,840 --> 04:46:12,120
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: inami naman po ng DipDip mismo,

3495
04:46:13,100 --> 04:46:20,560
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: napakahalaga po ng kuryente sa ating pambansang ekonomiya.

3496
04:46:21,820 --> 04:46:23,200
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, ngayon,

3497
04:46:24,460 --> 04:46:28,080
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pinanggalingan po ng ating revenue,

3498
04:46:28,660 --> 04:46:30,340
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: which includes privatization.

3499
04:46:30,600 --> 04:46:34,260
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tama po ba, Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor?

3500
04:46:35,840 --> 04:46:37,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po yun, Mr. Speaker.

3501
04:46:38,240 --> 04:46:44,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There's a projected privatization revenue of P101 billion for 2027.

3502
04:46:45,580 --> 04:46:47,940
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, doon po ako mag-focus.

3503
04:46:48,500 --> 04:46:50,320
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yan po yung unang issue ko.

3504
04:46:52,620 --> 04:46:53,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasama po ba,

3505
04:46:54,460 --> 04:46:55,360
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker,

3506
04:46:55,880 --> 04:46:57,560
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Distinguished Sponsor,

3507
04:46:58,420 --> 04:47:00,520
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung privatization natin sa

3508
04:47:00,520 --> 04:47:03,500
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung nalalabi pang mga asit,

3509
04:47:03,720 --> 04:47:05,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: lalong-lalo na ikaw, no?

3510
04:47:05,460 --> 04:47:08,220
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: From Sultan Kudarat, yung ano mo.

3511
04:47:08,220 --> 04:47:11,240
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, yung Agus and Pulangi po,

3512
04:47:11,640 --> 04:47:17,860
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na natitirang energy asit ng ating pamahalaan,

3513
04:47:18,580 --> 04:47:21,060
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ay ang pagkakaalam ko,

3514
04:47:22,180 --> 04:47:23,700
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: inumpisahan na po nating,

3515
04:47:24,460 --> 04:47:28,580
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: tumanggap ng unsolicited proposal.

3516
04:47:29,640 --> 04:47:31,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tama po ba, Mr. Speaker?

3517
04:47:38,600 --> 04:47:39,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Although, alam ko,

3518
04:47:40,200 --> 04:47:41,740
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: itatanong ko din to sa PISAM,

3519
04:47:41,900 --> 04:47:46,720
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pero sa general provision kasi kasama yung privatization.

3520
04:47:47,840 --> 04:47:49,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, yes, we can confirm.

3521
04:47:49,980 --> 04:47:53,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yung nabanggit po na project na ating distinguished colleague,

3522
04:47:53,820 --> 04:47:54,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: meron pong

3523
04:47:54,220 --> 04:48:00,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kumukuha po ng unsolicited proposals sa kasinukuyan.

3524
04:48:02,120 --> 04:48:06,360
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

3525
04:48:07,300 --> 04:48:11,220
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: hindi po ba natalakay sa LIDAC?

3526
04:48:12,560 --> 04:48:17,540
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Although, baka mag-poll na ito sa tanong ko sa DIPDIB,

3527
04:48:17,760 --> 04:48:22,380
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pero kasama kasi siya sa revenue na pinanggalingan.

3528
04:48:22,380 --> 04:48:23,900
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, napakahalaga po,

3529
04:48:23,900 --> 04:48:51,620
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ng mga asset na 'yan. At sa LEDAC dapat napag-usapan ang nangyari. Bakit ganito kataas ang ating kuryente? At bakit nagmamakaawa tayo sa private sector kung kailan sila magtayo ng planta, saan nila itayo, at magkano yung presyo, kasi deregulated siya? So ito na lang yung natitira nating kapiranggot na asset within our control,

3530
04:48:51,620 --> 04:48:53,580
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: revenue generating,

3531
04:48:54,400 --> 04:48:59,480
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: instead na in relisyon sa mga katanungan kanina ng aking mga kasamahan,

3532
04:49:00,020 --> 04:49:03,120
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: namumutang tayo ng trilyon.

3533
04:49:04,440 --> 04:49:05,960
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tinanong ng mga kasamahan ko,

3534
04:49:06,140 --> 04:49:06,920
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: saan ba napunta?

3535
04:49:07,840 --> 04:49:12,260
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Anong pakinabang ng mga taxpayers na nagbabayad ng mga otang na yon?

3536
04:49:13,260 --> 04:49:16,900
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Dito, tumanggap tayo ng unsolicited proposal

3537
04:49:16,900 --> 04:49:21,740
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: para i-rehabilitate ang kaisa-isang jewel ng Mindanao,

3538
04:49:21,740 --> 04:49:22,740
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Agos Anpulangi,

3539
04:49:23,900 --> 04:49:28,580
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na humihila pababa sa presyo ng kurinti sa Mindanao

3540
04:49:28,580 --> 04:49:31,520
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: to be competitive from Luzon and Visayas,

3541
04:49:32,040 --> 04:49:35,220
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na ngayon ay nagiging 19 pesos na,

3542
04:49:35,640 --> 04:49:37,040
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: tas ibinta pa natin.

3543
04:49:38,180 --> 04:49:44,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, saan ba nanggaling yung hugot ng ating economic managers sa LIDAC?

3544
04:49:45,600 --> 04:49:48,820
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Bakit pinayaga nila at hindi sila nakapag-advise

3545
04:49:48,820 --> 04:49:52,820
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na huwag nang isama yung mga asit na revenue generating

3546
04:49:53,900 --> 04:49:56,400
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: at mga mga businessbook na ito?

3547
04:49:56,780 --> 04:50:15,360
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Instead, mangutang tayo. Napakaliit, no? Mangutang tayo ng trilyon; ang kinakailangan sa Agus and Pulangi, bilyon lang na rehabilitation. After ma-rehabilitate, we solve the power [unclear], we reduce the cost of electricity, pati na yung Visayas kasi nag-i-import na si Mindanao ngayon ng

3548
04:50:15,360 --> 04:50:17,940
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kuryente sa Visayas with the interconnection of Visayas and Mindanao.

3549
04:50:17,940 --> 04:50:24,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tapos, nakinabang pa tayo sa employment.

3550
04:50:25,240 --> 04:50:27,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: isang asit lang ang tinutukoy ko.

3551
04:50:27,780 --> 04:50:28,700
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ah, kandi

3552
04:50:28,700 --> 04:50:31,300
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: economic managers

3553
04:50:31,300 --> 04:50:33,360
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: naman, pansinin naman ninyo

3554
04:50:33,360 --> 04:50:35,820
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung mga pagagandang

3555
04:50:35,820 --> 04:50:37,540
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: rekomendasyon

3556
04:50:37,540 --> 04:50:39,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: galing sa mga membro ng

3557
04:50:39,100 --> 04:50:41,300
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kongreso, lalong-lalong

3558
04:50:41,300 --> 04:50:43,480
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na po sa kinatawang

3559
04:50:43,480 --> 04:50:45,180
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ito, na talagang

3560
04:50:45,180 --> 04:50:47,400
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: alam ko kung saan po punta.

3561
04:50:50,280 --> 04:50:51,200
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Madam Sponsor,

3562
04:50:51,200 --> 04:50:53,000
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker, sana ay

3563
04:50:53,000 --> 04:50:55,000
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: i-evaluate

3564
04:50:55,000 --> 04:50:56,700
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ng ating lidak,

3565
04:50:57,320 --> 04:50:59,040
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: lalong-lalo na sa dip-dip

3566
04:50:59,040 --> 04:51:00,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung mga nangyari

3567
04:51:00,780 --> 04:51:02,880
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: sa planta

3568
04:51:02,880 --> 04:51:05,420
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na na-privatize

3569
04:51:05,420 --> 04:51:07,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: natin. Deutermal natin

3570
04:51:07,280 --> 04:51:08,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: sa liti, magkano na

3571
04:51:08,980 --> 04:51:10,960
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ang presyo ngayon

3572
04:51:10,960 --> 04:51:11,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ng kurinte sa liti?

3573
04:51:12,640 --> 04:51:15,160
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 25 pesos may deutermal?

3574
04:51:15,640 --> 04:51:17,160
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 18 pesos may deutermal?

3575
04:51:17,700 --> 04:51:18,420
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Magkano na

3576
04:51:18,420 --> 04:51:20,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nung hindi pa

3577
04:51:20,280 --> 04:51:21,000
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nabinta yan?

3578
04:51:21,200 --> 04:51:22,520
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Only

3579
04:51:22,520 --> 04:51:25,520
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 4 pesos.

3580
04:51:26,460 --> 04:51:27,540
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung Agus

3581
04:51:27,540 --> 04:51:29,180
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: at Pulangi ngayon sa Mindanao,

3582
04:51:29,620 --> 04:51:30,900
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 2 pesos ang 85.

3583
04:51:31,500 --> 04:51:33,400
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pag na-privatize na naman yan,

3584
04:51:34,460 --> 04:51:35,060
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kahit

3585
04:51:35,060 --> 04:51:37,200
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung kanyang

3586
04:51:37,200 --> 04:51:39,320
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: rehabilitation lang, times

3587
04:51:39,320 --> 04:51:41,360
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 3 na naman yan. Kaliraya,

3588
04:51:42,700 --> 04:51:43,160
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: evaluate

3589
04:51:43,160 --> 04:51:45,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kung anong nangyayari

3590
04:51:45,100 --> 04:51:47,400
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: after naibinta natin yung kaliraya,

3591
04:51:47,800 --> 04:51:48,580
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano lang?

3592
04:51:49,040 --> 04:51:50,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 40 billion yata,

3593
04:51:50,640 --> 04:51:51,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 39 billion.

3594
04:51:52,420 --> 04:51:53,860
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero ang balik sa atin,

3595
04:51:54,420 --> 04:51:55,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: wala na sa atin yung control.

3596
04:51:56,600 --> 04:51:58,460
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Hindi na nga natin masilip kung totoo

3597
04:51:58,460 --> 04:51:59,940
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: bang nasira yung mga planta

3598
04:51:59,940 --> 04:52:01,700
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: dahil privately owned na.

3599
04:52:02,360 --> 04:52:03,520
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, I hope, no?

3600
04:52:05,220 --> 04:52:06,380
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker,

3601
04:52:06,840 --> 04:52:08,180
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Madam Sponsor,

3602
04:52:09,600 --> 04:52:12,720
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ako naman po ay papayag

3603
04:52:12,720 --> 04:52:14,480
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na hindi na ninyo

3604
04:52:14,480 --> 04:52:15,040
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: sagutin.

3605
04:52:16,700 --> 04:52:18,440
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang gusto ko lang marinig

3606
04:52:18,440 --> 04:52:20,620
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: sa ating mga economic manager,

3607
04:52:20,640 --> 04:52:22,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: can you take a look

3608
04:52:22,760 --> 04:52:24,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: of what I am recommending?

3609
04:52:25,960 --> 04:52:26,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kindly review

3610
04:52:27,160 --> 04:52:28,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung presyo ng mga

3611
04:52:28,780 --> 04:52:30,560
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: planta na tinutukoy ko

3612
04:52:30,560 --> 04:52:32,900
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: as some of the examples,

3613
04:52:33,500 --> 04:52:34,740
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano yung

3614
04:52:34,740 --> 04:52:35,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: rate niya,

3615
04:52:36,620 --> 04:52:38,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: energy, yung generation

3616
04:52:38,840 --> 04:52:40,960
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: cost bago na i-privatize,

3617
04:52:41,280 --> 04:52:42,300
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano na ngayon

3618
04:52:42,300 --> 04:52:43,740
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na na-privatize na?

3619
04:52:44,360 --> 04:52:46,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Then, kindly take a look

3620
04:52:46,980 --> 04:52:49,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano yung

3621
04:52:49,100 --> 04:52:50,420
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ginastos niya?

3622
04:52:50,420 --> 04:52:51,920
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ginastos ni private

3623
04:52:51,920 --> 04:52:52,680
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ticker

3624
04:52:52,680 --> 04:52:56,940
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: at i-add mo yung

3625
04:52:56,940 --> 04:52:59,460
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: binayad niya sa goberno

3626
04:52:59,460 --> 04:53:03,540
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: to acquire

3627
04:53:03,540 --> 04:53:05,340
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: the facility

3628
04:53:05,340 --> 04:53:07,200
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: to acquire the asset

3629
04:53:07,200 --> 04:53:08,720
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: of napokor

3630
04:53:08,720 --> 04:53:11,060
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pag i-add mo yan

3631
04:53:11,060 --> 04:53:12,400
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ilang buwan lang

3632
04:53:12,400 --> 04:53:14,300
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: or taon niya mababawi.

3633
04:53:14,880 --> 04:53:16,460
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kaysa tayo ang nangutang

3634
04:53:16,460 --> 04:53:18,940
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na gastusan yung planta na yan

3635
04:53:18,940 --> 04:53:19,500
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na marihab,

3636
04:53:19,500 --> 04:53:21,720
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: we own the power plant

3637
04:53:21,720 --> 04:53:24,500
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: baka ang isasagot

3638
04:53:24,500 --> 04:53:25,260
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na naman ninyo

3639
04:53:25,260 --> 04:53:27,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nasa EPIRA kasi naibenta.

3640
04:53:28,440 --> 04:53:29,540
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Why did you not recommend

3641
04:53:29,540 --> 04:53:31,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na we will

3642
04:53:31,280 --> 04:53:33,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: we will

3643
04:53:33,280 --> 04:53:36,320
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: amend Section 47 of EPIRA

3644
04:53:36,320 --> 04:53:38,140
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na hindi naibinta

3645
04:53:38,140 --> 04:53:39,200
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung mga planta na yan?

3646
04:53:39,860 --> 04:53:42,020
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Na mga planta na yan na hindi pa

3647
04:53:42,020 --> 04:53:43,900
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: na-dispose should be excluded

3648
04:53:43,900 --> 04:53:45,220
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: from privatization

3649
04:53:45,220 --> 04:53:48,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kasi may experience na tayo doon sa naunang

3650
04:53:48,100 --> 04:53:49,340
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nabinta na nagtagal

3651
04:53:49,500 --> 04:53:50,220
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: times 2,

3652
04:53:50,220 --> 04:53:51,260
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nag times 3

3653
04:53:51,260 --> 04:53:52,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung balik sa atin.

3654
04:53:52,840 --> 04:53:56,360
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kandi economic managers

3655
04:53:56,360 --> 04:53:58,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: assured this representation

3656
04:53:58,280 --> 04:54:00,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: that you will look into that.

3657
04:54:32,020 --> 04:54:33,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker

3658
04:54:33,000 --> 04:54:33,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague

3659
04:54:33,940 --> 04:54:35,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I was talking po to

3660
04:54:35,500 --> 04:54:37,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Secretary Balisacan

3661
04:54:37,660 --> 04:54:39,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the evaluation po

3662
04:54:39,660 --> 04:54:42,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with regard to privatization initiatives

3663
04:54:42,500 --> 04:54:44,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is handled by the ICC

3664
04:54:44,500 --> 04:54:46,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the membership of the ICC

3665
04:54:46,280 --> 04:54:48,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is mostly po yung economic managers

3666
04:54:48,260 --> 04:54:49,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: din naman po natin.

3667
04:54:49,340 --> 04:55:01,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So I spoke to them po and they commit po that whichever projects po yung nabanggit na ating distinguished colleague po for evaluation, they will take a look at it po.

3668
04:55:01,720 --> 04:55:09,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So not just a value for money analysis on the part of the government, but also a bigger financial analysis.

3669
04:55:09,800 --> 04:55:21,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo sa totoo po nakakabahala po yung binanggit na ating distinguished colleague na may mga pagkakataon po na pagkatapos i-privatize yung isang power plant, mas tumataas yung power rate.

3670
04:55:21,660 --> 04:55:24,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So ang naapektuhan po yung ating mga consumers.

3671
04:55:24,620 --> 04:55:35,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So if we may request po our distinguished colleague for a list of the particular projects that you would like for the ICC to look into for evaluation,

3672
04:55:37,240 --> 04:55:39,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: magiging masaya po yung ICC na test.

3673
04:55:39,800 --> 04:55:41,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tignan po yung mga proyekto na babanggitin.

3674
04:55:42,040 --> 04:55:43,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we'll wait for the list po.

3675
04:55:43,920 --> 04:55:48,380
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Binanggit ko na po, ang natitira na lang natin ngayon ay Agus and Pulangi.

3676
04:55:48,380 --> 04:55:59,920
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang tinutukoy ko po, Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, na i-review yung na-privatize na magkano yung natanggap natin acquisition cost,

3677
04:56:00,480 --> 04:56:09,080
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: magkano yung ginastos lang nila na na-rehabilitate din yung binta nila ngayon per kilowatt hour,

3678
04:56:09,460 --> 04:56:09,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pakikita.

3679
04:56:09,800 --> 04:56:12,540
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pakikita ninyo, napakabilis nilang mabawi yun.

3680
04:56:12,880 --> 04:56:17,400
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: What if tayo na lang ang nangutang, tayo na lang ang nag-rehab,

3681
04:56:18,460 --> 04:56:23,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kontrolado pa natin yung presyo, hindi masasaktan yung ating mga taong bayan.

3682
04:56:24,940 --> 04:56:28,000
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yan yung punto na pinaparating ko dito, Mr. Speaker.

3683
04:56:31,180 --> 04:56:39,620
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Hindi po yung ilang planta lang, kundi lahat po ng planta na ibinta natin, sure,

3684
04:56:39,800 --> 04:56:48,220
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: times to ang nagiging presyo na niya under the hands of the private sector.

3685
04:56:50,080 --> 04:56:58,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If we may, Mr. Speaker, our distinguished colleague, if we can also get the list of even those that have been privatized previously na po,

3686
04:56:58,520 --> 04:57:01,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para po ma-evaluate din po ng ating economic managers.

3687
04:57:01,720 --> 04:57:07,920
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung termal natin sa liti, yung latest, at saka yung kaliraya natin, yan yung mga latest.

3688
04:57:08,680 --> 04:57:09,720
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi tinitimula.

3689
04:57:09,800 --> 04:57:14,000
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tingnan ko yung presyo, umiiyak yung mga taga-liti natin.

3690
04:57:14,160 --> 04:57:19,620
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ayaw ko mangyari yung loha ng taga-liti na mangyari sa magiging loha ng Mindanao.

3691
04:57:20,200 --> 04:57:24,180
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Iba po ang kultura sa Mindanao, lalong-lalo na sa Agos.

3692
04:57:24,680 --> 04:57:26,500
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Iba po yung kultura ng liti.

3693
04:57:26,500 --> 04:57:33,500
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Alam na siguro ng distinguished sponsor, yung punto na gusto kong iparating.

3694
04:57:35,000 --> 04:57:39,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kung magkaroon ng privatization, kahit lang

3695
04:57:39,800 --> 04:57:43,920
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kung sa rehabilitasyon at control ang operasyon ng Agos,

3696
04:57:45,600 --> 04:57:51,820
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: siguro, hindi matindi yung issue sa Pulangi, nasa bukid nun yun.

3697
04:57:52,500 --> 04:57:56,660
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero I don't know pagdating sa Agos, I don't know.

3698
04:57:57,040 --> 04:57:58,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi magkaiba talaga.

3699
04:57:58,100 --> 04:58:07,500
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, ang susunod ko pong katanungan, Mr. Speaker, distinguished sponsor,

3700
04:58:09,800 --> 04:58:14,500
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ito po punta sa ating 2027 budget.

3701
04:58:17,800 --> 04:58:20,800
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Balikan ko po sandali yung 2026.

3702
04:58:23,800 --> 04:58:31,800
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Tinalakay na natin yung 2027, pero kaya po ba nating punduhan yung 2026 natin na budget?

3703
04:58:32,300 --> 04:58:37,300
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung ga-an natin sa 2026, kaya po ba nating punduhan lahat yun?

3704
04:58:39,800 --> 04:58:44,800
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, ang susunod ko pong katanungan, Mr. Speaker,

3705
04:58:44,800 --> 04:58:49,800
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: What I'm asking distinguished sponsor, Mr. Speaker, is that

3706
04:58:49,800 --> 04:58:57,800
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: before we discuss the current budget intended for 2027,

3707
04:58:57,800 --> 04:59:07,800
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: has the government the fiscal capacity to fully fund our 2026 general appropriations act?

3708
04:59:07,860 --> 04:59:09,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

3709
04:59:09,280 --> 04:59:21,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: With us, our National Treasurer, sorry to quote our National Treasurer, but she gives the assurance that we will be able to fund our 2026 budget.

3710
04:59:21,740 --> 04:59:29,160
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Okay, maganda naman pong ganoon pala, kaya naman pala natin.

3711
04:59:29,160 --> 04:59:41,460
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor, nakalimutan ko pa po yung isang nakapublish na yung Diliman property ng Napokor.

3712
04:59:41,460 --> 04:59:58,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang hindi ko rin maintindihan dyan, bakit ibinta natin, nandyan yung Napokor, nandyan nakaopisina yung Transco, ang ginawa, pinalipat si Napokor, nagririnta na lang ng 3.5 million a month.

3713
04:59:59,160 --> 04:59:59,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero mayroon naman.

3714
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:06,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: silang opisina. So siguro isama na rin pong tingnan yan ng mga economic

3715
05:00:06,280 --> 05:00:13,340
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: managers natin. Although hindi po siya ganun kabigat doon sa pag-privatize

3716
05:00:13,340 --> 05:00:17,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ng isang planta. Kasi yung planta talaga nag-degenerate ka agad ng income

3717
05:00:17,640 --> 05:00:25,620
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yun. Tapos nag-contribute pa na mapababa yung cost of electricity natin.

3718
05:00:25,620 --> 05:00:31,240
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero isama rin 'yan sa privatization kasi naalala ko kasama yung

3719
05:00:31,240 --> 05:00:45,660
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: diliman property ng napokor. So for my next point, Mr. Speaker, since you

3720
05:00:45,660 --> 05:00:55,240
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: categorically answer na kaya naman po nating punduhan yung 2026

3721
05:00:55,240 --> 05:01:06,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: budget natin or yung ga-a, in 2027, ito po ay people-centered.

3722
05:01:07,900 --> 05:01:19,680
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sabi nga ni Secretary Kim ng DBM, ang meaning nito: Dapat ang Budget Makatao.

3723
05:01:20,680 --> 05:01:24,940
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So tama naman po yun. I agree with him. So may we ask the

3724
05:01:25,240 --> 05:01:32,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: good sponsor to explain what objective or criteria, no, such as the

3725
05:01:32,760 --> 05:01:40,680
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Philippine Development Plan for 2023 to 2028, sectoral plans, no, that needs

3726
05:01:40,680 --> 05:01:46,400
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: assessments, feasibility study, and measurable outcomes. We're used to

3727
05:01:46,400 --> 05:01:53,940
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: classify projects and programs as priorities across economic, social, defense,

3728
05:01:53,940 --> 05:01:55,180
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: general public service.

3729
05:01:55,240 --> 05:02:23,340
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: We also need to consider the debt-burdened sectors. Natanong na po ito kanina. Medyo pasensya na po, Mr. Speaker, distinguished sponsor, medyo nakulangan ako doon sa sagot kasi I agree with Congressman Tinio na medyo may mga nilagyan tayo ng budget na

3730
05:02:23,340 --> 05:02:49,680
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Hindi naman totoong revenue generating yung contributor to economic growth na sana kung inuna natin yung ibang sektor na contributing to the economic growth, makikinabang din naman yung mga targeted subsidized sector.

3731
05:02:49,680 --> 05:03:17,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, amid very limited fiscal space, increasing borrowing costs and growing debt levels, kinailangan pong mag-prioritize ng DBM sapagkat P[unclear] trillion po yung kabuuang budget proposals na dumating po sa kanila. So they had to prioritize P7.2 trillion out of that. The criteria that they used po, they employed five criteria:

3732
05:03:17,820 --> 05:03:38,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: First is alignment with the Philippine Development Plan. Second is shovel readiness. Third is absorptive capacity. Fourth is fiscal space. And fifth po, prioritization of government programs that deliver the highest value and impact. So yun po yung limang kriteriya na ginamit po ng DBM.

3733
05:03:39,780 --> 05:03:46,440
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Maraming salamat po, Distinguished Sponsor. Pupunta po ako doon sa absorptive capacity.

3734
05:03:47,820 --> 05:04:03,340
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I totally agree na tama po yung kriteriya na yun. But I have a reservation, no? In reality, for example, may I cite the sitio electrification program of NEA.

3735
05:04:03,680 --> 05:04:16,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Alam naman po natin yung economic contribution pag na-electrify natin yung isang lugar. Aside na nabigyan natin ng ginhawa yung mga tao.

3736
05:04:17,820 --> 05:04:39,320
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Baka may mga negosyo. O hindi lang baka. In my experience, 43 years ako sa rural electrification, talagang umuunlad. Kaya nga yung mga barangay noon, nung nailawan na sa mga electric co-op yung area, nagiging munisipyo. Yung mga munisipyo nagiging city. Kaya malinaw po yung economic growth.

3737
05:04:39,320 --> 05:04:47,320
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero pag-i-measure natin yung absorptive capacity ng NEA, dahil lang hindi nagastos yung...

3738
05:04:47,820 --> 05:05:10,060
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mayroon po tayong hindi nakita na dahilan. Nire-release po yung pundo, third quarter. Pag-release mo ng third quarter, sa bidding process pa lang, kakainin na niya yung buong third quarter.

3739
05:05:10,500 --> 05:05:16,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pag-release ng DBM sa third quarter yan, mag-umpisa na yung project.

3740
05:05:17,820 --> 05:05:30,020
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Third quarter na, ay six months yung kailangan para ma-latag yung mga linya doon sa mga liblib na lugar. Ay talagang hindi niya ma-li-liquidate yun. Hindi ma-uubos.

3741
05:05:30,020 --> 05:05:47,700
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kaya kung titignan yan, ay hindi maganda yung absorptive capacity. Ang sinasabi ko po, ay tingnan yung mga gray area na yan. Kung i-release yan ng first quarter, I agree na kung 70 lang siya, 60 or less.

3742
05:05:47,820 --> 05:05:59,660
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: May problema siya sa absorptive capacity. Kasi we are talking here, doon sa example ko, of extending the lines to par-plunk and unviable areas na hindi po basta-basta.

3743
05:05:59,660 --> 05:06:01,660
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you.

3744
05:06:17,820 --> 05:06:30,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May malaki po tayong inilagay dyan sa Barsi noong 2026 budget po kasi nag-release po tayo ng, if I'm not mistaken, 2 billion sa sityo electrification program po within NEA.

3745
05:06:30,880 --> 05:06:37,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, iti-check lang po ng pamilya natin sa DBM yung absorptive capacity utilization rate po ng NEA.

3746
05:06:37,720 --> 05:06:47,220
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ang tinutukoy ko lang, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, Distinguished Sponsor, ang ginawa ko lang example yung NEA.

3747
05:06:47,820 --> 05:06:58,580
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: But I know, there are a lot of government agencies na hindi on time na-release yung kanilang budget appropriation.

3748
05:06:58,580 --> 05:07:08,720
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kaya, yung kriteriya natin na measurement na absorptive capacity, mayroon akong reservation.

3749
05:07:09,440 --> 05:07:15,580
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi kung sasabi ko, third quarter muna i-release yan, tapos yung project nila, DICT halimbawa,

3750
05:07:15,580 --> 05:07:27,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: e, bibiding pa nila yung mga kawan, yung mga supplier, yung mga contractor, ay hindi talaga nila ma-liquidate yan at the end of the fiscal year.

3751
05:07:31,580 --> 05:07:35,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, magre-replic yan na mababa yung absorptive capacity nila.

3752
05:07:36,700 --> 05:07:42,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, upon conferring with DBM, yes, they recognize that.

3753
05:07:42,320 --> 05:07:45,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po, halimbawa, second quarter na.

3754
05:07:45,580 --> 05:07:56,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Or, paminsan third quarter na po nare-release yung SARO, talaga po natatamaan po yung utilization rate ng ahensya sa buong taon.

3755
05:07:56,520 --> 05:08:05,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, they will look into it po and make sure that instead of doing, siguro, a straight line assessment,

3756
05:08:05,660 --> 05:08:13,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: medyo baka pwedeng pro-rated yung approach para hindi naman po masaktan talaga yung utilization rate ng ahensya

3757
05:08:13,140 --> 05:08:15,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: dahil late na-release yung SARO.

3758
05:08:15,580 --> 05:08:17,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, DBM will look into it po.

3759
05:08:17,960 --> 05:08:25,960
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I appreciate that. Sa lahat ng sekretary sa seven years ko dito, si Sekretary Kim lang ang umamin na titignan nila.

3760
05:08:26,560 --> 05:08:32,120
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Lahat may mga ibang dahilan. So, thank you, Sekretary Kim, na titignan ninyo.

3761
05:08:32,300 --> 05:08:41,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Lahat ng agency, ginawa ko lang example yung, ano, yung, actually, Mr. Speaker, may apat pa ako na issue.

3762
05:08:41,640 --> 05:08:44,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero, papahingayin ko muna yung...

3763
05:08:45,580 --> 05:08:51,920
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: favorite person ko. So, hindi ko na itatanong tong iba. Hindi ko na itatanong.

3764
05:08:52,040 --> 05:08:58,160
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you sa mga sagot, Sekretary Kim, Distinguished Sponsor.

3765
05:08:58,740 --> 05:09:04,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po to our distinguished colleague, Kong Sergio Dagooc. Thank you very much po.

3766
05:09:04,500 --> 05:09:07,100
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: Thank you, the Honorable Dagooc. Majority Leader.

3767
05:09:09,180 --> 05:09:12,100
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable...

3768
05:09:12,100 --> 05:09:24,820
Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: Honorable Elijah San Fernando from Partylist Kamanggagawa to interplay it on the proposed budget on the debate on general principles and provisions.

3769
05:09:25,760 --> 05:09:32,120
Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.: The Honorable Elijah San Fernando of Partylist Kamanggagawa is recognized. Please proceed.

3770
05:09:32,740 --> 05:09:38,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po, Mr. Speaker, at sa ating kagalang-galang na sponsor, Chairperson Mika.

3771
05:09:39,720 --> 05:09:40,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang una kong katanungan...

3772
05:09:42,100 --> 05:09:55,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, kinikilala po ng Estado ang fundamental na karapatan ng mga Pilipino sa impormasyon po yung People's Right to Information,

3773
05:09:55,320 --> 05:09:58,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Article 3, Section 7 of 1987 Constitution.

3774
05:09:59,740 --> 05:10:09,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And this simply means, Madam Sponsor, that transparency is paramount in all government proceedings, including the budget deliberations.

3775
05:10:09,980 --> 05:10:11,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now, Madam Sponsor, the...

3776
05:10:12,100 --> 05:10:17,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The general provisions contain six separate transparency sections.

3777
05:10:17,520 --> 05:10:38,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Can the sponsor point to a single provision in the HGAB or the 2027 NEP that gives an ordinary citizen or a duly accredited organization the right to be heard on record before an appropriation is finalized?

3778
05:10:39,580 --> 05:10:40,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

3779
05:10:42,100 --> 05:10:55,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Sponsor.

3780
05:10:56,380 --> 05:11:08,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, there are two stages where there is involvement, not in the GAAP, but the first stage would be during the budget call.

3781
05:11:08,740 --> 05:11:10,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So during the budget preparation stage...

3782
05:11:12,100 --> 05:11:21,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yun noong budget calendar ng DBM na meron pong consultation sa atin pong mga civil society organizations

3783
05:11:21,120 --> 05:11:24,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or kung sino po yung gusto mag-participate in the budget process.

3784
05:11:24,380 --> 05:11:40,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In the budget process, on that part po, there is section 54 which pertains to Philippine Open Government Partnership.

3785
05:11:40,180 --> 05:11:46,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, departments, bureaus, offices, and instrumentalities of the national government, etc.,

3786
05:11:46,860 --> 05:11:53,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shall adopt the open government partnership values of transparency, accountability, and citizen participation.

3787
05:11:53,720 --> 05:11:57,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, doon po, nabanggit po yun, section 54.

3788
05:11:57,760 --> 05:12:05,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We also have it not during the budget deliberations in Congress because that is a legislative function.

3789
05:12:05,720 --> 05:12:10,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But while that's not in the GA itself or in the special...

3790
05:12:10,160 --> 05:12:15,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or general provisions, we've adopted that, we've institutionalized that.

3791
05:12:16,040 --> 05:12:22,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Within the House po, we've formed the task force for people's participation, we've done the people's budget review,

3792
05:12:22,980 --> 05:12:27,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we are refining the engagement models with civil society organizations.

3793
05:12:28,120 --> 05:12:29,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, meron din pong ganong engagement.

3794
05:12:30,480 --> 05:12:38,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, when it comes to implementation, after the GA is passed, marami pong special provisions na nakakalat po sa iba't-ibang ahensya

3795
05:12:38,780 --> 05:12:39,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na nag...

3796
05:12:40,160 --> 05:12:44,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that allows people's audit for monitoring purposes.

3797
05:12:44,780 --> 05:12:50,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'm sure meron po under the special provision of the Department of Agriculture, for example,

3798
05:12:51,460 --> 05:12:57,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: wherein a people's audit is allowed for infrastructure and for up-to-market road projects.

3799
05:12:57,780 --> 05:13:01,420
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Mrs. Speaker, for pointing that out.

3800
05:13:01,420 --> 05:13:08,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na merong konsultasyon na nagaganap sa agency level bago po umakyat o pumasok dito sa Kongreso.

3801
05:13:09,020 --> 05:13:09,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero the civil society...

3802
05:13:10,160 --> 05:13:15,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the organizations would agree with me, and in fact, partner po natin, ang karamihan sa kanila,

3803
05:13:16,320 --> 05:13:20,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na kadalasan po, dito sa mga budget call ng mga ahensya ng gobyerno,

3804
05:13:21,240 --> 05:13:25,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi naman po talaga napaka-meaningful ng participation ng mga civil society organizations.

3805
05:13:26,720 --> 05:13:33,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: More often than not, nagiging stampad lang yung mga civil society organizations para lang masabi na merong participation.

3806
05:13:33,340 --> 05:13:40,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At maganda po na na-point out ng ating sponsor yung Section 54, which I will proceed to that later, Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

3807
05:13:40,160 --> 05:13:51,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maganda po, Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor, na binanggit ninyo na merong mga mekanismo tungkol sa transparency after the funds are already spent.

3808
05:13:51,240 --> 05:14:04,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In fact, if we are going to read together all the sections pertaining to transparency, lahat ito ay pumapatungkol kapag na-spent na o na-gasos na yung pondo.

3809
05:14:04,320 --> 05:14:09,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So walang mga probisyon na pumapatungkol doon sa participation ng mga organizations.

3810
05:14:10,160 --> 05:14:18,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Inari yung Pilipino o na mga people's organizations, civil society organizations, doon sa proseso ng pagbalangkas pa lang ng budget.

3811
05:14:18,720 --> 05:14:20,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Tama po ba ito, Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker?

3812
05:14:23,360 --> 05:14:27,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, yes, we recognize that point.

3813
05:14:27,860 --> 05:14:35,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, sa gaap po kasi, the special provisions there relate to budget implementation.

3814
05:14:36,240 --> 05:14:39,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That's why there are no general or special provisions.

3815
05:14:39,540 --> 05:14:45,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That pertain in the deliberation and the formulation of the budget itself.

3816
05:14:46,640 --> 05:14:55,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun po, kung titinan po natin, lahat po ng mga general provisions at special provisions na nakapaloob sa budget ay patungkol po sa budget implementation.

3817
05:14:55,620 --> 05:14:57,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker.

3818
05:14:57,880 --> 05:14:59,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nabanggit po ng sponsor.

3819
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:01,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kanina, yung Section 54 ng

3820
05:15:01,700 --> 05:15:03,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: General Provisions po natin.

3821
05:15:04,440 --> 05:15:05,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And the government shall adopt

3822
05:15:05,960 --> 05:15:07,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the values of transparency,

3823
05:15:09,160 --> 05:15:09,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability,

3824
05:15:10,520 --> 05:15:11,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and citizens' participation.

3825
05:15:12,100 --> 05:15:13,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker,

3826
05:15:13,980 --> 05:15:15,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: what is the operational definition

3827
05:15:15,680 --> 05:15:17,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of transparency,

3828
05:15:17,920 --> 05:15:19,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability, and citizens'

3829
05:15:20,020 --> 05:15:22,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation? Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker.

3830
05:15:30,000 --> 05:15:36,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

3831
05:15:36,240 --> 05:15:38,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: given that the Philippine

3832
05:15:38,020 --> 05:15:40,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Open Government Partnership is under

3833
05:15:40,020 --> 05:15:41,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the purview of the DBM,

3834
05:15:42,260 --> 05:15:44,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so I've deferred to that on

3835
05:15:44,060 --> 05:15:44,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the query,

3836
05:15:45,560 --> 05:15:47,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we can cite the definitions

3837
05:15:47,900 --> 05:15:49,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as stated in the proposed

3838
05:15:49,940 --> 05:15:51,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Philippine Budgeting Code. This is

3839
05:15:51,860 --> 05:15:54,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: still currently a bill under deliberation,

3840
05:15:54,580 --> 05:15:55,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but using the

3841
05:15:55,680 --> 05:15:57,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: definitions here.

3842
05:15:58,220 --> 05:15:59,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So transparency means

3843
05:15:59,980 --> 05:16:02,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where the relevant

3844
05:16:02,180 --> 05:16:04,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: information at all stages

3845
05:16:04,020 --> 05:16:05,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the budget cycle is proactively

3846
05:16:05,700 --> 05:16:08,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: disclosed as may be practicable

3847
05:16:08,040 --> 05:16:10,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and where citizen participation is integral

3848
05:16:10,020 --> 05:16:11,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in all phases of the budget cycle

3849
05:16:11,640 --> 05:16:14,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to promote informed, equitable, and responsive

3850
05:16:14,180 --> 05:16:16,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocation and use of resources.

3851
05:16:17,720 --> 05:16:18,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Accountability

3852
05:16:18,320 --> 05:16:19,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is defined as

3853
05:16:19,980 --> 05:16:22,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: where all heads of agencies

3854
05:16:22,180 --> 05:16:24,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and instrumentalities of the national government

3855
05:16:24,140 --> 05:16:25,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are held responsible for the proper use,

3856
05:16:26,080 --> 05:16:28,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: management, and safeguarding of government

3857
05:16:28,080 --> 05:16:29,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: funds and property

3858
05:16:29,120 --> 05:16:31,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pertaining to their institutions,

3859
05:16:31,980 --> 05:16:34,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ensuring that all actions and expenditures

3860
05:16:34,080 --> 05:16:36,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: comply with authorized appropriations,

3861
05:16:36,280 --> 05:16:37,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: laws, rules, and regulations.

3862
05:16:39,160 --> 05:16:40,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Citizen participation

3863
05:17:10,160 --> 05:17:11,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for

3864
05:17:11,460 --> 05:17:11,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: citizen

3865
05:17:11,940 --> 05:17:12,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: participation

3866
05:17:12,840 --> 05:17:13,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

3867
05:17:13,560 --> 05:17:14,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: also

3868
05:17:14,040 --> 05:17:15,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the same

3869
05:17:15,040 --> 05:17:15,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: bill

3870
05:17:15,300 --> 05:17:15,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: section

3871
05:17:15,580 --> 05:17:16,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 27

3872
05:17:16,140 --> 05:17:17,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the government

3873
05:17:17,020 --> 05:17:17,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shall establish

3874
05:17:17,680 --> 05:17:18,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and implement

3875
05:17:18,240 --> 05:17:18,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: suitable

3876
05:17:18,720 --> 05:17:19,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: participatory

3877
05:17:19,500 --> 05:17:19,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: budget

3878
05:17:19,860 --> 05:17:20,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mechanisms

3879
05:17:20,360 --> 05:17:20,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to ensure

3880
05:17:20,860 --> 05:17:21,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: open

3881
05:17:21,280 --> 05:17:22,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: inclusive

3882
05:17:22,060 --> 05:17:22,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transparent

3883
05:17:22,680 --> 05:17:23,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and meaningful

3884
05:17:23,260 --> 05:17:23,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: engagement

3885
05:17:23,700 --> 05:17:24,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of citizens

3886
05:17:24,360 --> 05:17:25,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and stakeholder

3887
05:17:25,280 --> 05:17:26,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: during the

3888
05:17:26,200 --> 05:17:26,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: budget

3889
05:17:26,420 --> 05:17:26,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: preparation

3890
05:17:26,940 --> 05:17:27,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: process

3891
05:17:27,440 --> 05:17:27,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so

3892
05:17:27,880 --> 05:17:28,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yun pa yung

3893
05:17:28,760 --> 05:17:29,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: technical

3894
05:17:29,080 --> 05:17:29,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: definitions

3895
05:17:29,760 --> 05:17:30,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

3896
05:17:30,300 --> 05:17:30,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so far

3897
05:17:30,740 --> 05:17:31,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa draft

3898
05:17:31,680 --> 05:17:32,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pa lang po yun

3899
05:17:32,320 --> 05:17:32,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng Philippine

3900
05:17:32,780 --> 05:17:33,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Budgeting Code

3901
05:17:33,420 --> 05:17:34,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maraming salamat po

3902
05:17:34,960 --> 05:17:35,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pagbibigay

3903
05:17:35,740 --> 05:17:36,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng ilang mga

3904
05:17:36,460 --> 05:17:37,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: definisyon

3905
05:17:37,120 --> 05:17:37,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: tungkol po

3906
05:17:37,780 --> 05:17:38,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa transparency

3907
05:17:38,760 --> 05:17:39,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability

3908
05:17:39,960 --> 05:17:40,940
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at citizens

3909
05:17:40,940 --> 05:17:41,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation

3910
05:17:41,980 --> 05:17:42,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

3911
05:17:42,720 --> 05:17:43,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

3912
05:17:43,560 --> 05:17:44,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: would the sponsor

3913
05:17:44,200 --> 05:17:44,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: agree with me

3914
05:17:44,840 --> 05:17:45,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that

3915
05:17:45,120 --> 05:17:47,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: transparency

3916
05:17:47,000 --> 05:17:49,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is

3917
05:17:49,380 --> 05:17:50,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability

3918
05:17:50,220 --> 05:17:50,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and citizens

3919
05:17:50,980 --> 05:17:52,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation

3920
05:17:52,080 --> 05:17:53,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: are integral

3921
05:17:53,500 --> 05:17:54,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: components

3922
05:17:54,180 --> 05:17:55,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of transparency

3923
05:17:55,620 --> 05:17:56,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

3924
05:17:56,520 --> 05:17:57,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

3925
05:17:57,140 --> 05:17:58,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ibig sabihin po

3926
05:17:58,640 --> 05:17:59,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: transparency

3927
05:17:59,800 --> 05:18:00,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: cannot stand

3928
05:18:00,760 --> 05:18:02,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: without accountability

3929
05:18:02,480 --> 05:18:03,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and citizens

3930
05:18:03,660 --> 05:18:04,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation

3931
05:18:04,480 --> 05:18:05,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: especially when

3932
05:18:05,900 --> 05:18:06,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: we are talking

3933
05:18:06,480 --> 05:18:06,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: about

3934
05:18:06,920 --> 05:18:08,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: deliberations

3935
05:18:08,020 --> 05:18:08,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on budget

3936
05:18:08,740 --> 05:18:09,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

3937
05:18:09,900 --> 05:18:10,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

3938
05:18:10,780 --> 05:18:12,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I think one

3939
05:18:12,920 --> 05:18:13,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is not dependent

3940
05:18:13,820 --> 05:18:14,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on the other

3941
05:18:14,580 --> 05:18:15,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these three

3942
05:18:15,360 --> 05:18:16,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: go hand in hand

3943
05:18:16,700 --> 05:18:17,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so hindi po siguro

3944
05:18:17,700 --> 05:18:19,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: one is dependent

3945
05:18:19,360 --> 05:18:20,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on the other

3946
05:18:20,600 --> 05:18:21,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or meaning

3947
05:18:21,380 --> 05:18:22,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: subsumed

3948
05:18:22,140 --> 05:18:22,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung transparency

3949
05:18:22,880 --> 05:18:23,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under these two

3950
05:18:23,900 --> 05:18:25,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but those three

3951
05:18:25,080 --> 05:18:25,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are interconnected

3952
05:18:25,880 --> 05:18:27,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: thank you Madam Sponsor

3953
05:18:27,240 --> 05:18:27,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

3954
05:18:27,880 --> 05:18:28,420
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maganda po

3955
05:18:28,420 --> 05:18:28,940
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang pinunto

3956
05:18:28,940 --> 05:18:30,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng ating

3957
05:18:30,020 --> 05:18:30,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kagalang-galang

3958
05:18:30,880 --> 05:18:31,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na sponsor

3959
05:18:31,460 --> 05:18:32,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na it goes

3960
05:18:32,340 --> 05:18:32,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hand in hand

3961
05:18:32,920 --> 05:18:34,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: so po pwede rin po

3962
05:18:34,760 --> 05:18:35,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nating masabi

3963
05:18:35,460 --> 05:18:37,820
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na magiging mahirap

3964
05:18:37,820 --> 05:18:38,540
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na mag-exist

3965
05:18:38,540 --> 05:18:39,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang transparency

3966
05:18:39,840 --> 05:18:41,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: without accountability

3967
05:18:41,020 --> 05:18:42,540
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and vice versa

3968
05:18:42,540 --> 05:18:44,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at isama na rin po

3969
05:18:44,340 --> 05:18:45,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: natin yung usapin

3970
05:18:45,280 --> 05:18:45,540
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng

3971
05:18:45,540 --> 05:18:47,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: citizens participation

3972
05:18:47,440 --> 05:18:48,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ngayon po Madam Sponsor

3973
05:18:48,620 --> 05:18:49,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

3974
05:18:49,280 --> 05:18:50,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: given the definition

3975
05:18:50,960 --> 05:18:51,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at dun po sa

3976
05:18:51,700 --> 05:18:52,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: agreement natin

3977
05:18:52,700 --> 05:18:53,820
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on those principles

3978
05:18:53,820 --> 05:18:55,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: papaano po

3979
05:18:55,500 --> 05:18:56,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: inapply

3980
05:18:56,200 --> 05:18:57,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung prinsipyo

3981
05:18:57,800 --> 05:18:58,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng transparency

3982
05:18:58,420 --> 05:18:59,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability

3983
05:18:59,520 --> 05:19:01,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and citizens participation

3984
05:19:01,360 --> 05:19:03,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pagbalangkas po

3985
05:19:03,000 --> 05:19:03,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng

3986
05:19:03,760 --> 05:19:05,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng

3987
05:19:05,860 --> 05:19:08,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 2027 NEP

3988
05:19:08,140 --> 05:19:09,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at ng HGAP

3989
05:19:09,960 --> 05:19:11,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa kasalukuyan po

3990
05:19:11,280 --> 05:19:13,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kasi 2027 NEP eh

3991
05:19:13,500 --> 05:19:15,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so nasimulan po natin

3992
05:19:15,120 --> 05:19:16,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: itong mga mahalagang

3993
05:19:16,220 --> 05:19:16,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: reforma na to

3994
05:19:16,980 --> 05:19:18,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nung nakalaang taon

3995
05:19:18,000 --> 05:19:19,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung pinakamahalaga po

3996
05:19:19,440 --> 05:19:20,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this is

3997
05:19:20,280 --> 05:19:21,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: probably the biggest

3998
05:19:21,800 --> 05:19:23,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transparency related

3999
05:19:23,460 --> 05:19:24,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: reform we've done

4000
05:19:24,680 --> 05:19:25,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which is

4001
05:19:25,160 --> 05:19:26,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we've abolished

4002
05:19:26,100 --> 05:19:27,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the small committee

4003
05:19:27,340 --> 05:19:28,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which

4004
05:19:28,120 --> 05:19:29,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: was perceived

4005
05:19:29,320 --> 05:19:30,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as a very opaque

4006
05:19:30,580 --> 05:19:32,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: behind the scenes

4007
05:19:32,600 --> 05:19:33,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: process in the past

4008
05:19:33,800 --> 05:19:35,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so wala na po

4009
05:19:35,200 --> 05:19:36,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung small committee

4010
05:19:36,400 --> 05:19:37,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ngayon po

4011
05:19:37,040 --> 05:19:38,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: lahat ng mga amienda

4012
05:19:38,100 --> 05:19:39,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay tinatalakay

4013
05:19:39,540 --> 05:19:40,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng bukas

4014
05:19:40,280 --> 05:19:41,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa publiko

4015
05:19:41,260 --> 05:19:41,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nakikita po

4016
05:19:41,940 --> 05:19:43,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na ating mga kabayan

4017
05:19:43,180 --> 05:19:44,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: line by line

4018
05:19:44,120 --> 05:19:45,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung ating mga amienda

4019
05:19:45,700 --> 05:19:47,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pangalawa po

4020
05:19:47,100 --> 05:19:49,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa level din po

4021
05:19:49,020 --> 05:19:49,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng

4022
05:19:49,480 --> 05:19:50,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng kongreso

4023
05:19:50,400 --> 05:19:52,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung citizens participation po

4024
05:19:52,640 --> 05:19:53,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: although we are still

4025
05:19:53,920 --> 05:19:55,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: refining the engagement models

4026
05:19:55,600 --> 05:19:56,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as we go along

4027
05:19:56,520 --> 05:19:57,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in institution

4028
05:19:57,860 --> 05:19:59,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: lies na rin po natin

4029
05:19:59,360 --> 05:20:00,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung people's budget review

4030
05:20:00,600 --> 05:20:01,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at yung

4031
05:20:01,860 --> 05:20:03,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung

4032
05:20:03,560 --> 05:20:05,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: abilidad na ating mga

4033
05:20:05,080 --> 05:20:06,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: civil society organizations

4034
05:20:06,320 --> 05:20:07,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na makapagtanong

4035
05:20:07,420 --> 05:20:08,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa mga ahensya na gobyerno

4036
05:20:08,760 --> 05:20:10,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa kahabahan po

4037
05:20:10,060 --> 05:20:11,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga committee hearings

4038
05:20:11,200 --> 05:20:12,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa pamamagitan po

4039
05:20:12,680 --> 05:20:14,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating mga vice chairpersons

4040
05:20:14,500 --> 05:20:15,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at tuloy-tuloy po

4041
05:20:15,360 --> 05:20:16,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung kanilang engagement

4042
05:20:16,220 --> 05:20:17,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we've also

4043
05:20:17,520 --> 05:20:19,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: put together po

4044
05:20:19,460 --> 05:20:20,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at kaka

4045
05:20:20,180 --> 05:20:21,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: start lang po

4046
05:20:21,620 --> 05:20:23,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa congress website

4047
05:20:23,580 --> 05:20:25,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong portal natin

4048
05:20:25,000 --> 05:20:26,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para sa mga civil society

4049
05:20:26,440 --> 05:20:27,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: organizations

4050
05:20:27,340 --> 05:20:28,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nabanggit po kasi

4051
05:20:28,780 --> 05:20:29,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na paminsan

4052
05:20:29,300 --> 05:20:30,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: medyo nahihirapan

4053
05:20:30,140 --> 05:20:31,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa namakuha yung mga dokumento

4054
05:20:31,860 --> 05:20:33,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so in the spirit of

4055
05:20:33,680 --> 05:20:34,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transparency

4056
05:20:34,600 --> 05:20:36,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and close coordination

4057
05:20:36,140 --> 05:20:38,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nagsimula na po tayo

4058
05:20:38,300 --> 05:20:39,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: noong portal na yun

4059
05:20:39,340 --> 05:20:40,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at isa pa po

4060
05:20:40,400 --> 05:20:41,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa pinakamahalaga

4061
05:20:41,820 --> 05:20:43,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay yung ating

4062
05:20:43,020 --> 05:20:44,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pagsagawa

4063
05:20:44,380 --> 05:20:45,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng unang

4064
05:20:45,600 --> 05:20:47,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: open bicam

4065
05:20:47,080 --> 05:20:47,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa kasaysayan

4066
05:20:47,880 --> 05:20:48,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating bansa

4067
05:20:48,660 --> 05:20:50,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na yun dati po

4068
05:20:50,340 --> 05:20:50,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay

4069
05:20:50,800 --> 05:20:52,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hindi po nakikita

4070
05:20:52,640 --> 05:20:53,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung ano yung

4071
05:20:53,400 --> 05:20:54,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deliberasyon

4072
05:20:54,720 --> 05:20:55,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng bicam

4073
05:20:55,480 --> 05:20:56,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nakita po yan

4074
05:20:56,900 --> 05:20:57,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating mga

4075
05:20:57,340 --> 05:20:58,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kababayan

4076
05:20:58,020 --> 05:20:58,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: anim na araw

4077
05:20:58,900 --> 05:21:00,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: hanggang madaling araw po

4078
05:21:00,600 --> 05:21:03,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: linivestream po natin

4079
05:21:03,300 --> 05:21:03,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung bicam

4080
05:21:03,920 --> 05:21:05,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so we started

4081
05:21:05,300 --> 05:21:06,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these meaningful reforms

4082
05:21:06,960 --> 05:21:08,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: last year

4083
05:21:08,000 --> 05:21:08,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and although

4084
05:21:08,840 --> 05:21:09,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there are still

4085
05:21:09,900 --> 05:21:10,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: some

4086
05:21:10,660 --> 05:21:12,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: minor

4087
05:21:12,000 --> 05:21:13,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: like minor

4088
05:21:13,020 --> 05:21:13,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and major tweaks

4089
05:21:13,880 --> 05:21:14,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that we would have to do

4090
05:21:14,940 --> 05:21:15,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to refine these

4091
05:21:15,820 --> 05:21:17,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: engagement models

4092
05:21:17,460 --> 05:21:18,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: talaga pong

4093
05:21:18,280 --> 05:21:19,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: isinasa po

4094
05:21:19,660 --> 05:21:20,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: natin yan

4095
05:21:20,640 --> 05:21:21,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at

4096
05:21:21,000 --> 05:21:22,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: panghuli po

4097
05:21:22,140 --> 05:21:23,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ang mahalaga din po

4098
05:21:23,460 --> 05:21:24,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kung makikita nyo po

4099
05:21:24,560 --> 05:21:25,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa mga special provisions

4100
05:21:25,660 --> 05:21:26,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa iba't ibang mga ahensya

4101
05:21:26,920 --> 05:21:27,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: lalo na po

4102
05:21:27,340 --> 05:21:29,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga ahensya

4103
05:21:29,320 --> 05:21:30,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na merong imprestruktura

4104
05:21:30,620 --> 05:21:32,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: makikita nyo po doon

4105
05:21:32,180 --> 05:21:33,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: naglagay po tayo

4106
05:21:33,440 --> 05:21:34,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga requirement

4107
05:21:34,680 --> 05:21:36,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na kailangan maglagay

4108
05:21:36,120 --> 05:21:37,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung iba't ibang ahensya

4109
05:21:37,640 --> 05:21:38,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga

4110
05:21:38,460 --> 05:21:40,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transparency portals

4111
05:21:40,360 --> 05:21:41,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or monitoring portals

4112
05:21:41,940 --> 05:21:43,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: para po sa kanilang

4113
05:21:43,180 --> 05:21:43,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mga infrastructure

4114
05:21:43,920 --> 05:21:45,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: projects

4115
05:21:45,020 --> 05:21:46,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so yun po

4116
05:21:46,020 --> 05:21:46,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ay ating

4117
05:21:46,740 --> 05:21:47,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: idinagdag

4118
05:21:47,780 --> 05:21:48,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sa level po

4119
05:21:48,960 --> 05:21:50,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng ating pagbalangkas

4120
05:21:50,080 --> 05:21:50,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng budget

4121
05:21:50,560 --> 05:21:52,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po

4122
05:21:52,360 --> 05:21:52,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4123
05:21:52,880 --> 05:21:53,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4124
05:21:53,840 --> 05:21:54,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bagamat na

4125
05:21:54,520 --> 05:21:55,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: appreciate po natin

4126
05:21:55,660 --> 05:21:56,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang pagtalakay

4127
05:21:56,560 --> 05:21:57,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa ilang mga reports

4128
05:21:57,340 --> 05:21:57,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and informa

4129
05:21:57,720 --> 05:22:00,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the civil society organizations

4130
05:22:00,060 --> 05:22:01,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: would say otherwise

4131
05:22:01,320 --> 05:22:02,160
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4132
05:22:02,160 --> 05:22:02,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4133
05:22:02,800 --> 05:22:03,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in fact

4134
05:22:03,780 --> 05:22:04,940
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sinabi po

4135
05:22:04,940 --> 05:22:06,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng People's Budget Coalition

4136
05:22:06,500 --> 05:22:08,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa People's Budget Review

4137
05:22:08,560 --> 05:22:10,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi po sapat

4138
05:22:10,200 --> 05:22:12,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o hindi meaningful participation

4139
05:22:12,300 --> 05:22:14,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang tatlong minutong

4140
05:22:14,440 --> 05:22:15,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ibinigay

4141
05:22:15,280 --> 05:22:16,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa bawat

4142
05:22:16,300 --> 05:22:18,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: civil society organizations

4143
05:22:18,340 --> 05:22:19,160
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: alam nyo po

4144
05:22:19,160 --> 05:22:19,820
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4145
05:22:19,820 --> 05:22:20,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4146
05:22:20,460 --> 05:22:21,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang nangyari po

4147
05:22:21,200 --> 05:22:22,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay nag-imbitalang

4148
05:22:22,020 --> 05:22:23,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga civil society organizations

4149
05:22:23,660 --> 05:22:25,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng People's Budget Review

4150
05:22:25,060 --> 05:22:26,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung saan

4151
05:22:26,360 --> 05:22:27,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: tatlong minuto

4152
05:22:27,300 --> 05:22:27,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lang

4153
05:22:27,340 --> 05:22:28,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang ibinigay

4154
05:22:28,480 --> 05:22:29,940
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa bawat isang CSO

4155
05:22:29,940 --> 05:22:31,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi po sapat

4156
05:22:31,560 --> 05:22:32,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang tatlong minuto

4157
05:22:32,520 --> 05:22:33,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker

4158
05:22:33,200 --> 05:22:34,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4159
05:22:34,560 --> 05:22:35,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4160
05:22:35,240 --> 05:22:36,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: para talakayin

4161
05:22:36,700 --> 05:22:37,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: buo

4162
05:22:37,120 --> 05:22:39,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o komprehensibo

4163
05:22:39,000 --> 05:22:40,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung mga nais

4164
05:22:40,240 --> 05:22:41,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na reforma

4165
05:22:41,020 --> 05:22:42,160
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga civil society

4166
05:22:42,160 --> 05:22:43,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations

4167
05:22:43,280 --> 05:22:44,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in fact

4168
05:22:44,000 --> 05:22:44,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: if I may quote

4169
05:22:44,780 --> 05:22:46,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: one of the members

4170
05:22:46,000 --> 05:22:47,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of People's Budget Coalition

4171
05:22:47,960 --> 05:22:49,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Ziza

4172
05:22:49,740 --> 05:22:50,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nadine Susara

4173
05:22:50,760 --> 05:22:52,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: what exactly

4174
05:22:52,240 --> 05:22:52,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: was covered

4175
05:22:52,880 --> 05:22:54,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: by the People's Budget Review

4176
05:22:54,380 --> 05:22:54,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: today

4177
05:22:54,760 --> 05:22:55,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: this pertains

4178
05:22:55,600 --> 05:22:56,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4179
05:22:56,220 --> 05:22:57,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to the People's Budget Review

4180
05:22:57,340 --> 05:22:58,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that was conducted

4181
05:22:58,520 --> 05:23:00,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: by the Committee on Appropriations

4182
05:23:00,000 --> 05:23:01,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which agency

4183
05:23:01,360 --> 05:23:02,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: program budgets

4184
05:23:02,200 --> 05:23:02,940
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: were presented

4185
05:23:02,940 --> 05:23:03,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and discussed

4186
05:23:03,640 --> 05:23:04,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nothing

4187
05:23:04,600 --> 05:23:06,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: were CSOs

4188
05:23:06,320 --> 05:23:07,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: given a chance

4189
05:23:07,180 --> 05:23:08,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to explain their proposals

4190
05:23:08,400 --> 05:23:09,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: no

4191
05:23:09,280 --> 05:23:11,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: they were only given

4192
05:23:11,220 --> 05:23:12,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: three minutes

4193
05:23:12,680 --> 05:23:13,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to speak

4194
05:23:13,340 --> 05:23:14,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: how the heck

4195
05:23:14,780 --> 05:23:15,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: can anyone

4196
05:23:15,380 --> 05:23:16,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: explain a technical proposal

4197
05:23:16,900 --> 05:23:18,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in such short

4198
05:23:18,140 --> 05:23:18,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: a time

4199
05:23:18,840 --> 05:23:20,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which CSO

4200
05:23:20,440 --> 05:23:21,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: inputs

4201
05:23:21,100 --> 05:23:22,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: did the Committee on Appropriations

4202
05:23:22,560 --> 05:23:23,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: consider

4203
05:23:23,080 --> 05:23:24,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: none

4204
05:23:24,040 --> 05:23:25,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: what did they commit

4205
05:23:25,840 --> 05:23:26,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to include

4206
05:23:26,360 --> 05:23:27,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in the 2027

4207
05:23:27,340 --> 05:23:27,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: gov

4208
05:23:27,880 --> 05:23:28,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: none

4209
05:23:28,780 --> 05:23:30,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: are they going

4210
05:23:30,140 --> 05:23:31,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to publish a report

4211
05:23:31,080 --> 05:23:31,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on the proceedings

4212
05:23:31,980 --> 05:23:32,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ewan

4213
05:23:32,920 --> 05:23:34,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: are they going

4214
05:23:34,000 --> 05:23:34,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to post photos

4215
05:23:34,880 --> 05:23:35,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: oh for sure

4216
05:23:35,840 --> 05:23:36,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: meron nga eh

4217
05:23:36,480 --> 05:23:37,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: so ang naramdaman po

4218
05:23:37,720 --> 05:23:38,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga civil society

4219
05:23:38,660 --> 05:23:39,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations dito

4220
05:23:39,560 --> 05:23:40,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4221
05:23:40,140 --> 05:23:41,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4222
05:23:41,080 --> 05:23:42,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: e naging palamuti lang

4223
05:23:42,520 --> 05:23:43,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang mga CSOs

4224
05:23:43,460 --> 05:23:44,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: doon sa tinatawag natin

4225
05:23:44,840 --> 05:23:45,540
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na People's

4226
05:23:45,540 --> 05:23:46,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Budget Review

4227
05:23:46,700 --> 05:23:48,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi po nila nakita

4228
05:23:48,240 --> 05:23:49,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung pagsasalubungan

4229
05:23:49,760 --> 05:23:50,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga konsepto

4230
05:23:50,740 --> 05:23:51,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng transparency

4231
05:23:51,640 --> 05:23:52,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: accountability

4232
05:23:52,440 --> 05:23:53,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at citizens

4233
05:23:53,120 --> 05:23:53,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: participation

4234
05:23:53,980 --> 05:23:55,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: now would the sponsor

4235
05:23:55,280 --> 05:23:56,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: agree with me

4236
05:23:56,100 --> 05:23:56,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4237
05:23:56,840 --> 05:23:57,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4238
05:23:57,340 --> 05:23:59,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that transparency

4239
05:23:59,280 --> 05:24:00,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is not just about

4240
05:24:00,500 --> 05:24:01,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: live streaming

4241
05:24:01,180 --> 05:24:02,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of the proceedings

4242
05:24:02,120 --> 05:24:02,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4243
05:24:02,900 --> 05:24:03,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4244
05:24:03,720 --> 05:24:04,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Siguro

4245
05:24:04,600 --> 05:24:05,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker

4246
05:24:05,180 --> 05:24:06,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I would like to clarify

4247
05:24:06,220 --> 05:24:06,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a point

4248
05:24:06,780 --> 05:24:08,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the People's Budget Review

4249
05:24:08,120 --> 05:24:09,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the format

4250
05:24:09,180 --> 05:24:09,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the way

4251
05:24:09,680 --> 05:24:10,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it was conducted

4252
05:24:10,460 --> 05:24:11,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the number of minutes

4253
05:24:11,740 --> 05:24:13,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were allocated

4254
05:24:13,380 --> 05:24:14,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to each of the

4255
05:24:14,700 --> 05:24:16,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: different CSOs

4256
05:24:16,060 --> 05:24:16,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to present

4257
05:24:16,520 --> 05:24:17,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that was not

4258
05:24:17,500 --> 05:24:18,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the purview

4259
05:24:18,340 --> 05:24:18,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the Committee

4260
05:24:18,840 --> 05:24:19,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations

4261
05:24:19,820 --> 05:24:21,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it was the

4262
05:24:21,040 --> 05:24:22,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: CPBRD

4263
05:24:22,700 --> 05:24:24,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which is the head

4264
05:24:24,560 --> 05:24:25,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the House

4265
05:24:25,480 --> 05:24:26,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Task Force

4266
05:24:26,820 --> 05:24:27,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on People's

4267
05:24:27,320 --> 05:24:28,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Participation

4268
05:24:28,160 --> 05:24:29,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who set forth

4269
05:24:29,000 --> 05:24:30,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: all of that

4270
05:24:30,140 --> 05:24:31,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in fairness

4271
05:24:31,180 --> 05:24:32,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to the Committee

4272
05:24:32,360 --> 05:24:33,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations

4273
05:24:33,280 --> 05:24:35,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Vice Chairpersons

4274
05:24:35,220 --> 05:24:36,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who were assigned

4275
05:24:36,540 --> 05:24:37,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to sponsor

4276
05:24:37,420 --> 05:24:39,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the agencies

4277
05:24:39,020 --> 05:24:41,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the sectors

4278
05:24:41,700 --> 05:24:42,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were represented

4279
05:24:42,620 --> 05:24:43,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by the different

4280
05:24:43,480 --> 05:24:44,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: civil society

4281
05:24:44,460 --> 05:24:45,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: organizations

4282
05:24:45,420 --> 05:24:46,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sinigurado po namin

4283
05:24:46,980 --> 05:24:48,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: tinanong pa namin

4284
05:24:48,280 --> 05:24:49,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: alin pong mga

4285
05:24:49,440 --> 05:24:49,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: sektor

4286
05:24:49,920 --> 05:24:50,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung represented

4287
05:24:50,980 --> 05:24:52,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng mga CSOs

4288
05:24:52,120 --> 05:24:53,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pumunta po

4289
05:24:53,400 --> 05:24:54,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung Vice Chairperson

4290
05:24:54,420 --> 05:24:54,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng Committee

4291
05:24:54,880 --> 05:24:55,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations

4292
05:24:55,940 --> 05:24:56,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na

4293
05:24:56,560 --> 05:24:57,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4294
05:24:57,320 --> 05:24:57,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ,

4295
05:24:57,820 --> 05:24:59,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na-assigned po

4296
05:24:59,020 --> 05:25:00,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: doon po sa sektor na yun

4297
05:25:00,460 --> 05:25:01,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so on the part of the Committee

4298
05:25:01,620 --> 05:25:02,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations

4299
05:25:02,980 --> 05:25:04,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker

4300
05:25:04,020 --> 05:25:05,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished Colleague

4301
05:25:05,020 --> 05:25:06,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we did our part

4302
05:25:06,520 --> 05:25:07,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in a sense na

4303
05:25:07,320 --> 05:25:08,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we made sure

4304
05:25:08,000 --> 05:25:10,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there was representation

4305
05:25:10,640 --> 05:25:12,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for the different sectors

4306
05:25:12,060 --> 05:25:12,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and

4307
05:25:12,560 --> 05:25:13,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: finally po

4308
05:25:13,560 --> 05:25:15,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung sa commitment po

4309
05:25:15,320 --> 05:25:16,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually po

4310
05:25:16,260 --> 05:25:18,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: no one member

4311
05:25:18,760 --> 05:25:19,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: not even

4312
05:25:19,880 --> 05:25:20,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: myself

4313
05:25:20,560 --> 05:25:22,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: can commit

4314
05:25:22,660 --> 05:25:23,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: point blank

4315
05:25:23,920 --> 05:25:25,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on a particular

4316
05:25:25,280 --> 05:25:25,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: funding

4317
05:25:25,800 --> 05:25:27,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for a particular project

4318
05:25:27,320 --> 05:25:28,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or a program

4319
05:25:28,320 --> 05:25:29,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because all of these

4320
05:25:29,320 --> 05:25:30,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: amendments

4321
05:25:30,320 --> 05:25:31,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would have to go through

4322
05:25:31,320 --> 05:25:32,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the deliberation

4323
05:25:32,320 --> 05:25:33,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the BARC

4324
05:25:33,320 --> 05:25:34,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the

4325
05:25:34,320 --> 05:25:35,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and um

4326
05:25:35,320 --> 05:25:36,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and approved

4327
05:25:36,320 --> 05:25:37,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um by the body

4328
05:25:37,320 --> 05:25:38,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and by the plenary

4329
05:25:38,320 --> 05:25:39,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so siguro po

4330
05:25:39,320 --> 05:25:40,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: naiintindihan ko po

4331
05:25:40,320 --> 05:25:41,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung

4332
05:25:41,320 --> 05:25:42,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4333
05:25:42,320 --> 05:25:43,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung pagnanais

4334
05:25:43,320 --> 05:25:44,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng commitment

4335
05:25:44,320 --> 05:25:45,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng Diretso

4336
05:25:45,320 --> 05:25:46,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pero

4337
05:25:46,320 --> 05:25:47,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um I would like to

4338
05:25:47,320 --> 05:25:48,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: clarify po

4339
05:25:48,320 --> 05:25:49,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that there is

4340
05:25:49,320 --> 05:25:50,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: no one member

4341
05:25:50,320 --> 05:25:51,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: no Vice Chairperson

4342
05:25:51,320 --> 05:25:52,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: not even the Chairperson

4343
05:25:52,320 --> 05:25:53,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the Committee

4344
05:25:53,320 --> 05:25:54,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on Appropriations

4345
05:25:54,320 --> 05:25:55,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who can commit

4346
05:25:55,320 --> 05:25:56,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on a specific funding

4347
05:25:56,320 --> 05:25:57,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: right then and there

4348
05:25:57,320 --> 05:25:58,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but in terms

4349
05:25:58,320 --> 05:25:59,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of considering

4350
05:25:59,320 --> 05:26:00,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the amendments po

4351
05:26:00,320 --> 05:26:01,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4352
05:26:01,320 --> 05:26:02,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we definitely

4353
05:26:02,320 --> 05:26:03,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: took note

4354
05:26:03,320 --> 05:26:04,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we definitely

4355
05:26:04,320 --> 05:26:05,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: uh

4356
05:26:05,320 --> 05:26:06,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are making sure

4357
05:26:06,320 --> 05:26:07,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that their inputs

4358
05:26:07,320 --> 05:26:08,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at the time

4359
05:26:08,320 --> 05:26:09,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4360
05:26:09,320 --> 05:26:10,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: will be incorporated

4361
05:26:10,320 --> 05:26:11,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the deliberations

4362
05:26:11,320 --> 05:26:12,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the BARC

4363
05:26:12,320 --> 05:26:13,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: last year po

4364
05:26:13,320 --> 05:26:14,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4365
05:26:14,320 --> 05:26:15,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga nabanggit nila

4366
05:26:15,320 --> 05:26:16,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: additional funding

4367
05:26:16,320 --> 05:26:17,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for classrooms

4368
05:26:17,320 --> 05:26:18,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: additional funding

4369
05:26:18,320 --> 05:26:19,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for transportation

4370
05:26:19,320 --> 05:26:20,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: initiatives

4371
05:26:20,320 --> 05:26:21,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: additional funding

4372
05:26:21,320 --> 05:26:22,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for health

4373
05:26:22,320 --> 05:26:23,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: initiatives

4374
05:26:23,320 --> 05:26:24,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: climate initiatives

4375
05:26:24,320 --> 05:26:25,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: all of those

4376
05:26:25,320 --> 05:26:26,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: were considered

4377
05:26:26,320 --> 05:26:28,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by the 2026 GAA

4378
05:26:28,320 --> 05:26:29,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so our request po

4379
05:26:29,320 --> 05:26:30,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: please give us time

4380
05:26:30,320 --> 05:26:31,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as we move forward

4381
05:26:31,320 --> 05:26:32,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with the

4382
05:26:32,320 --> 05:26:33,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deliberation

4383
05:26:33,320 --> 05:26:34,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of the amendments

4384
05:26:34,320 --> 05:26:35,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but rest assured po

4385
05:26:35,320 --> 05:26:36,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: their input

4386
05:26:36,320 --> 05:26:37,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: inputs are

4387
05:26:37,320 --> 05:26:38,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4388
05:26:38,320 --> 05:26:39,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: being considered

4389
05:26:39,320 --> 05:26:40,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: by the House

4390
05:26:40,320 --> 05:26:41,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maganda po

4391
05:26:41,320 --> 05:26:42,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na nabanggit

4392
05:26:42,320 --> 05:26:43,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng kagalang-galang

4393
05:26:43,320 --> 05:26:44,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na sponsor

4394
05:26:44,320 --> 05:26:45,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mrs. Speaker

4395
05:26:45,320 --> 05:26:46,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi naman daw

4396
05:26:46,320 --> 05:26:47,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Committee on Appropriations

4397
05:26:47,320 --> 05:26:48,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung nagli-lead

4398
05:26:48,320 --> 05:26:49,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng People's Budget Review

4399
05:26:49,320 --> 05:26:50,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: paggos

4400
05:26:50,320 --> 05:26:51,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ito'y pinangungunahan

4401
05:26:51,320 --> 05:26:52,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng CPBRD

4402
05:26:52,320 --> 05:26:53,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: so ang tanong po

4403
05:26:53,320 --> 05:26:54,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mrs. Speaker

4404
05:26:54,320 --> 05:26:55,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4405
05:26:55,320 --> 05:26:57,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: why was the People's Budget Review

4406
05:26:57,320 --> 05:26:58,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: conducted by the

4407
05:26:58,320 --> 05:26:59,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: CPBRD

4408
05:26:59,320 --> 05:27:00,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which has

4409
05:27:00,320 --> 05:27:01,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: no authority

4410
05:27:01,320 --> 05:27:02,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to adopt

4411
05:27:02,320 --> 05:27:03,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or reject

4412
05:27:03,320 --> 05:27:04,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: any budget proposal

4413
05:27:04,320 --> 05:27:05,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: rather than

4414
05:27:05,320 --> 05:27:06,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: by the Committee

4415
05:27:06,320 --> 05:27:07,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on Appropriations

4416
05:27:07,320 --> 05:27:08,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: itself

4417
05:27:08,320 --> 05:27:09,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4418
05:27:09,320 --> 05:27:10,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mrs. Speaker

4419
05:27:10,320 --> 05:27:11,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker

4420
05:27:11,320 --> 05:27:12,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4421
05:27:12,320 --> 05:27:13,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the reason for that

4422
05:27:13,320 --> 05:27:14,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is when

4423
05:27:14,320 --> 05:27:15,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the House constituted

4424
05:27:15,320 --> 05:27:16,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the House

4425
05:27:16,320 --> 05:27:17,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4426
05:27:17,320 --> 05:27:18,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Task Force

4427
05:27:18,320 --> 05:27:19,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on People's Participation

4428
05:27:19,320 --> 05:27:20,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung CPBRD po

4429
05:27:20,320 --> 05:27:21,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung

4430
05:27:21,320 --> 05:27:22,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4431
05:27:22,320 --> 05:27:23,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in-assign

4432
05:27:23,320 --> 05:27:24,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as the head

4433
05:27:24,320 --> 05:27:25,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of that particular

4434
05:27:25,320 --> 05:27:26,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: task force

4435
05:27:26,320 --> 05:27:27,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the reason being

4436
05:27:27,320 --> 05:27:28,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4437
05:27:28,320 --> 05:27:29,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of engagement

4438
05:27:29,320 --> 05:27:30,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po

4439
05:27:30,320 --> 05:27:31,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4440
05:27:31,320 --> 05:27:32,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Committee on Appropriations

4441
05:27:32,320 --> 05:27:33,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po kasi handles

4442
05:27:33,320 --> 05:27:34,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the budget itself

4443
05:27:34,320 --> 05:27:35,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4444
05:27:35,320 --> 05:27:36,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so

4445
05:27:36,320 --> 05:27:37,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: kailangan po namin

4446
05:27:37,320 --> 05:27:38,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng tulong

4447
05:27:38,320 --> 05:27:39,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na meron pong

4448
05:27:39,320 --> 05:27:40,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ibang

4449
05:27:40,320 --> 05:27:41,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: opisina

4450
05:27:41,320 --> 05:27:42,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: within Congress

4451
05:27:42,320 --> 05:27:43,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who would help us out

4452
05:27:43,320 --> 05:27:44,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: also with all the

4453
05:27:44,320 --> 05:27:45,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: coordination

4454
05:27:45,320 --> 05:27:46,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: logistics

4455
05:27:46,320 --> 05:27:47,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4456
05:27:47,320 --> 05:27:48,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and the

4457
05:27:48,320 --> 05:27:49,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the continuous

4458
05:27:49,320 --> 05:27:50,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: engagement po

4459
05:27:50,320 --> 05:27:51,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so

4460
05:27:51,320 --> 05:27:52,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: um

4461
05:27:52,320 --> 05:27:53,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that is

4462
05:27:53,320 --> 05:27:54,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: simply the reason po

4463
05:27:54,320 --> 05:27:55,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the House Task Force

4464
05:27:55,320 --> 05:27:56,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on People's Participation

4465
05:27:56,320 --> 05:27:57,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: was constituted

4466
05:27:57,320 --> 05:27:58,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: CPBRD

4467
05:27:58,320 --> 05:27:59,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: was the one assigned

4468
05:27:59,320 --> 05:28:01,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to head such task force

4469
05:28:01,320 --> 05:28:02,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you Madam Sponsor

4470
05:28:02,320 --> 05:28:03,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mrs. Speaker

4471
05:28:03,320 --> 05:28:04,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Alam niyo po

4472
05:28:04,320 --> 05:28:05,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4473
05:28:05,320 --> 05:28:06,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4474
05:28:06,320 --> 05:28:07,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kaya ako po pinupoint out

4475
05:28:07,320 --> 05:28:08,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: itong mga katanungan nito

4476
05:28:08,320 --> 05:28:09,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dahil 20 years ago

4477
05:28:09,320 --> 05:28:10,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in this August Chamber

4478
05:28:10,320 --> 05:28:12,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the Committee on Appropriations

4479
05:28:12,320 --> 05:28:14,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: had broken tradition

4480
05:28:14,320 --> 05:28:16,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: after it approved

4481
05:28:16,320 --> 05:28:19,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on 17 September 2007

4482
05:28:19,320 --> 05:28:21,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the participation of

4483
05:28:21,320 --> 05:28:22,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bona fide people's

4484
05:28:22,320 --> 05:28:23,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations

4485
05:28:23,320 --> 05:28:24,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and non-government

4486
05:28:24,320 --> 05:28:25,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations

4487
05:28:25,320 --> 05:28:27,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in public hearings

4488
05:28:27,320 --> 05:28:29,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on the General Appropriations

4489
05:28:29,320 --> 05:28:30,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Bill

4490
05:28:30,320 --> 05:28:31,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi lang po sila

4491
05:28:31,320 --> 05:28:32,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: simpleng spectator

4492
05:28:32,320 --> 05:28:33,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or observer

4493
05:28:33,320 --> 05:28:34,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor

4494
05:28:34,320 --> 05:28:35,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi lang po sila

4495
05:28:35,320 --> 05:28:36,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: simpleng pinagpasa

4496
05:28:36,320 --> 05:28:37,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga papel

4497
05:28:37,320 --> 05:28:38,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung ano ang tingin nila

4498
05:28:38,320 --> 05:28:39,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: doon sa pambansang

4499
05:28:39,320 --> 05:28:40,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: budget

4500
05:28:40,320 --> 05:28:41,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kundi sila po

4501
05:28:41,320 --> 05:28:42,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay aktibong

4502
05:28:42,320 --> 05:28:43,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: inimbita

4503
05:28:43,320 --> 05:28:44,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bilang mga

4504
05:28:44,320 --> 05:28:46,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: resource persons

4505
05:28:46,320 --> 05:28:47,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: para maging kalahok

4506
05:28:47,320 --> 05:28:49,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: themselves

4507
05:28:49,320 --> 05:28:50,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pagbalangkas

4508
05:28:50,320 --> 05:28:51,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at pagbusisi po

4509
05:28:51,320 --> 05:28:52,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pambansang budget

4510
05:28:52,320 --> 05:28:53,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and this reform

4511
05:28:53,320 --> 05:28:55,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: structural reform

4512
05:28:55,320 --> 05:28:57,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: was spearheaded

4513
05:28:57,320 --> 05:28:58,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: by no other than

4514
05:28:58,320 --> 05:28:59,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the late honorable

4515
05:28:59,320 --> 05:29:01,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Edsel Lagman

4516
05:29:01,320 --> 05:29:02,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he believed

4517
05:29:02,320 --> 05:29:03,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and he argued then

4518
05:29:03,320 --> 05:29:04,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he was the Committee

4519
05:29:04,320 --> 05:29:06,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of Appropriations Chair

4520
05:29:06,320 --> 05:29:07,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: during that time

4521
05:29:07,320 --> 05:29:08,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he argued

4522
05:29:08,320 --> 05:29:09,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that the traditional

4523
05:29:09,320 --> 05:29:10,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: practice

4524
05:29:10,320 --> 05:29:11,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of limiting

4525
05:29:11,320 --> 05:29:12,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: budget briefings

4526
05:29:12,320 --> 05:29:13,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and deliberations

4527
05:29:13,320 --> 05:29:14,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and hearings

4528
05:29:14,320 --> 05:29:15,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: solely to

4529
05:29:15,320 --> 05:29:16,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: government department

4530
05:29:16,320 --> 05:29:17,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: heads

4531
05:29:17,320 --> 05:29:18,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and representatives

4532
05:29:18,320 --> 05:29:20,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: was an incomplete

4533
05:29:20,320 --> 05:29:21,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: process

4534
05:29:21,320 --> 05:29:23,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and that the people

4535
05:29:23,320 --> 05:29:26,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: as the ultimate beneficiaries

4536
05:29:26,320 --> 05:29:27,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or casualties

4537
05:29:27,320 --> 05:29:29,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of budget allocations

4538
05:29:29,320 --> 05:29:30,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: should be given

4539
05:29:30,320 --> 05:29:31,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the opportunity

4540
05:29:31,320 --> 05:29:32,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to be heard

4541
05:29:32,320 --> 05:29:33,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: through their non-elective

4542
05:29:33,320 --> 05:29:35,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and alternative representatives

4543
05:29:35,320 --> 05:29:37,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in the people's organizations

4544
05:29:37,320 --> 05:29:38,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and non-government

4545
05:29:38,320 --> 05:29:40,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations community

4546
05:29:40,320 --> 05:29:41,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: alam niyo po napakalaking

4547
05:29:41,320 --> 05:29:42,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: reforma ang ginawa

4548
05:29:42,320 --> 05:29:43,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: during that time

4549
05:29:43,320 --> 05:29:44,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he argued

4550
05:29:44,320 --> 05:29:45,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the late honorable

4551
05:29:45,320 --> 05:29:46,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Edsel Lagman

4552
05:29:46,320 --> 05:29:47,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: argued that

4553
05:29:47,320 --> 05:29:49,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: way back in 2007

4554
05:29:49,320 --> 05:29:50,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and this representation

4555
05:29:50,320 --> 05:29:51,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: delivers it

4556
05:29:51,320 --> 05:29:52,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: until now

4557
05:29:52,320 --> 05:29:53,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na kailangan po

4558
05:29:53,320 --> 05:29:54,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi lang

4559
05:29:54,320 --> 05:29:55,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: spectator at observer

4560
05:29:55,320 --> 05:29:56,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang mga people's

4561
05:29:56,320 --> 05:29:57,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: organizations

4562
05:29:57,320 --> 05:29:58,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and in fact

4563
05:29:58,320 --> 05:29:59,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: during this time

4564
05:29:59,320 --> 05:30:00,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. Speaker

4565
05:30:00,320 --> 05:30:10,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, inimbita po ang mga civil society organizations to present yung tinatawag na Alternative Budget Initiative, ABI.

4566
05:30:11,200 --> 05:30:17,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At ang mga civil society organizations na po na ito noon ay kasama at kaibigan pa rin po natin hanggang ngayon.

4567
05:30:18,000 --> 05:30:21,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: These are the Social Watch Philippines and other civil society organizations.

4568
05:30:21,860 --> 05:30:31,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So ito po yung pinupunto natin Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, na pagdating po sa pagre-reforma patungkol sa transparency, accountability, at citizens' participation,

4569
05:30:32,080 --> 05:30:42,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: our CSOs demand not a tokenistic, hindi po tokenistic na ibibigay sa kanila na isang espasyo kung saan magiging observer lang po sila,

4570
05:30:42,620 --> 05:30:47,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o pagpapasahin natin ang mga papel patungkol dun sa mga reformang gusto natin.

4571
05:30:47,060 --> 05:30:51,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So ano po ang tingin dito ng kagalang-galang na sponsor, Mr. Speaker?

4572
05:30:52,180 --> 05:30:53,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker?

4573
05:30:54,080 --> 05:31:00,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, the engagement guidelines po, to be honest, are not drafted by the Committee on Appropriations.

4574
05:31:01,160 --> 05:31:07,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of what would be the level of participation po, again, that is under the purview of the CPBRD.

4575
05:31:07,940 --> 05:31:18,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But I have the greatest respect for the Honorable Edson Lagman, and I really admire all the reforms that he put forth when he was Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations.

4576
05:31:19,440 --> 05:31:21,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we will look into it po.

4577
05:31:22,560 --> 05:31:32,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Again, we started it last year to engage the civil society organizations after so many, like more than a decade of not having engaged them.

4578
05:31:33,280 --> 05:31:35,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So please give us some time po.

4579
05:31:35,280 --> 05:31:40,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We will look into all of these engagement models.

4580
05:31:40,500 --> 05:31:43,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Here with us is Representative Chrisel.

4581
05:31:43,340 --> 05:31:45,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: You know po how much I love Kong Edsel.

4582
05:31:45,620 --> 05:31:51,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we will look at all of these and the models that were employed during the time of Chairperson.

4583
05:31:51,860 --> 05:31:52,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Edsel Lagman.

4584
05:31:52,560 --> 05:31:56,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4585
05:31:56,580 --> 05:32:06,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang nais lamang po nating ipunto dito, hindi naman po natin po pwedeng laging ituro na CPBRD ang nag-head o nagsispearhead ng maganyang reformang o aktibidad.

4586
05:32:07,300 --> 05:32:15,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Dapat po ang mismong Committee on Appropriations ang siyang nangunguna at nagtitiyak na ang ating mga kasama sa civil society organizations

4587
05:32:15,140 --> 05:32:20,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay nagiging kabahagi o aktibong kabahagi ng pagbabalangkas ng ating pambansang budget.

4588
05:32:21,860 --> 05:32:23,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

4589
05:32:23,680 --> 05:32:47,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: will the Sponsor accept an amendment at the appropriate time requiring that the detailed breakdown of every lump sum appropriation including the LGSF and the FALGU be published in machine readable form under the Unified Accounts Code Structure at the time the National Expenditure Program is transmitted to Congress?

4590
05:32:51,860 --> 05:32:55,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We will hear it at the proper time, Madam Speaker.

4591
05:32:55,960 --> 05:33:05,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We will hear it during the proper time, during the deliberations po, as to which amendment the Honorable San Fernando wants to put forth.

4592
05:33:05,720 --> 05:33:07,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4593
05:33:07,960 --> 05:33:16,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Table 8.6 of the Budget Expenditure and Sources of Financing was released as an image rather than as data.

4594
05:33:16,440 --> 05:33:21,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Was that a deliberate choice and can the DBM be directed to reissue the entire DBM?

4595
05:33:21,860 --> 05:33:28,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The majority of the budget, the NEP and the BESF in a machine readable format before this bill is put to a vote.

4596
05:33:28,880 --> 05:33:30,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4597
05:33:31,320 --> 05:33:39,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We'll take a look at it po, given that the HGAB is a reflection, is a mirror image of the National Expenditure Program.

4598
05:33:40,020 --> 05:33:44,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So we are checking po with DBM as they are the source for that particular table.

4599
05:33:45,220 --> 05:33:47,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Give me a few seconds po to confer with DBM.

4600
05:33:49,260 --> 05:33:51,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: May we clarify lang po, Madam Speaker.

4601
05:33:51,860 --> 05:33:54,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Which table number is it po alet?

4602
05:33:55,960 --> 05:33:59,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Table 8.6 of the BESF.

4603
05:34:02,140 --> 05:34:09,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So pwede po bang i-direct natin ang DBM to issue the entirety of the budget, the NEP and BESF in machine read?

4604
05:34:09,280 --> 05:34:13,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Actually, matagal na pong problema ito ng mga CSOs, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4605
05:34:14,200 --> 05:34:19,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Hindi po machine readable yung format ng mga dokumento natin, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4606
05:34:19,740 --> 05:34:21,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The uploaded version po.

4607
05:34:21,860 --> 05:34:24,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tine-check po, tine-test po ni Sec Kim ngayon.

4608
05:34:24,980 --> 05:34:28,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The uploaded version is actually copyable.

4609
05:34:29,160 --> 05:34:32,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It's not an image. It's a table po.

4610
05:34:32,600 --> 05:34:36,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So our partners from CSOs will just confirm that.

4611
05:34:36,680 --> 05:34:39,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po if the good secretary has confirmed that.

4612
05:34:39,020 --> 05:34:44,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We'll just take a look po if whether when it was translated in the soft copy of the GAB,

4613
05:34:44,960 --> 05:34:49,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: whether the same table was lifted as is or it was converted to an image.

4614
05:34:50,780 --> 05:34:51,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Ado po.

4615
05:34:51,860 --> 05:34:52,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi sinasadya.

4616
05:34:53,000 --> 05:34:54,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4617
05:34:55,760 --> 05:34:58,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Proceeding to my next question, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4618
05:34:58,400 --> 05:35:04,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Section 106 allows the Commission on Audit until 31st October of the following year

4619
05:35:04,560 --> 05:35:11,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to publish annual audit reports which is after the budget hearings for the succeeding year have concluded.

4620
05:35:12,000 --> 05:35:17,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In the appropriate time, will the sponsor accept an amendment advancing that deadline

4621
05:35:17,660 --> 05:35:21,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: so that the audited record of the preceding year is available?

4622
05:35:21,860 --> 05:35:26,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: While we are still deliberating, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4623
05:35:26,380 --> 05:35:31,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Madam Speaker, I would be happy to hear that at the proper time.

4624
05:35:31,640 --> 05:35:34,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually, that was something that I advocated for last year.

4625
05:35:34,460 --> 05:35:39,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If you would remember, during the budget deliberations of COA, it was later.

4626
05:35:39,560 --> 05:35:41,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Dati po, December 31.

4627
05:35:42,720 --> 05:35:48,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pero, ado po, we negotiated po kasi with COA kung ano talaga yung kaya nila

4628
05:35:48,960 --> 05:35:50,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: because there are also deadlines.

4629
05:35:50,580 --> 05:35:56,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: From the agencies and then may consolidation pa po on the part of COA.

4630
05:35:56,560 --> 05:36:02,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, at that time, last year, the best that they can commit was October 31

4631
05:36:02,580 --> 05:36:08,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and whichever becomes available by September 31, they would publish or transmit right away.

4632
05:36:08,500 --> 05:36:10,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, actually, po sinubukan ko din po yun.

4633
05:36:10,880 --> 05:36:19,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I actually requested last year kung kaya sana by July 30 or July 1 before the NEP is transmitted to us.

4634
05:36:19,480 --> 05:36:20,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But at that time,

4635
05:36:20,460 --> 05:36:23,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there were certain logistical limitations on the part of COA.

4636
05:36:24,040 --> 05:36:29,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But I'm with you on that po because I tried last year also to move up the timeline by a lot.

4637
05:36:30,340 --> 05:36:32,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4638
05:36:32,720 --> 05:36:36,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At nagkatagpo po kami ni Madam Sponsor on that particular issue.

4639
05:36:36,920 --> 05:36:39,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Last question before I wind up, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4640
05:36:40,960 --> 05:36:45,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Interpolation on the office of the President was suspended by a vote of 37-5

4641
05:36:45,860 --> 05:36:49,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: on parliamentary courtesy

4642
05:36:49,460 --> 05:36:50,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and the question is,

4643
05:36:50,460 --> 05:36:56,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: questions on 4.55 billion in confidential and intelligence funds when unasked.

4644
05:36:57,260 --> 05:37:03,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: On what constitutional basis can a custom of courtesy defeat the duty of this Chamber

4645
05:37:03,220 --> 05:37:09,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to examine an appropriation and will those questions be answered in writing

4646
05:37:09,140 --> 05:37:15,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or even in this plenary discussion before the bill is passed, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

4647
05:37:16,240 --> 05:37:19,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, most definitely po.

4648
05:37:19,880 --> 05:37:26,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We will be able to assure there is a plenary deliberation for the office of the President

4649
05:37:26,480 --> 05:37:38,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and all of our colleagues who wish to propound questions has the time to ask the budget sponsor for the office of the President.

4650
05:37:38,460 --> 05:37:46,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So lahat po ng katanungan pwede po maitanong dito po sa deliberation ng office of the President sa plenaryo at the proper time.

4651
05:37:46,080 --> 05:37:48,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

4652
05:37:49,880 --> 05:37:53,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Last note, before I end my interpellation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

4653
05:37:53,800 --> 05:38:00,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: gusto ko lang pong bigyang diin yung pinag-usapan po natin kanina tungkol sa mga reformang naumpisahan

4654
05:38:00,060 --> 05:38:06,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at inuumpisahan patungkol sa partisipasyon ng mamamayan sa pagbalangkas po ng ating budget.

4655
05:38:07,060 --> 05:38:11,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, hindi po po pwede na lagi po nating sinasabi

4656
05:38:11,720 --> 05:38:16,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na transparent ang buong proseso ng pagbalangkas o paggawa ng budget

4657
05:38:16,200 --> 05:38:19,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at nililimitahan lang natin ito sa pamamagitan na,

4658
05:38:19,880 --> 05:38:22,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: naka-livestream yung mga proceedings.

4659
05:38:23,080 --> 05:38:26,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Transparency, accountability, and citizens' participation go hand-in-hand.

4660
05:38:27,540 --> 05:38:31,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At matitiyak lang po natin na tunay na may participation ang ating mamamayan

4661
05:38:31,920 --> 05:38:35,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung sila po ay mismong kalahok kasama nating nagbabalangkas

4662
05:38:35,640 --> 05:38:41,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: because the ultimate beneficiary, and as the Honorable Late Edsel Agman has said,

4663
05:38:41,760 --> 05:38:48,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the ultimate beneficiary or casualty of whatever we are deliberating upon here in this August Chamber

4664
05:38:48,720 --> 05:38:49,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay ang

4665
05:38:49,860 --> 05:38:55,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mga mamamayan at ang mamamayang Pilipino, mga manggagawa, at ordinaryong Pilipino.

4666
05:38:55,100 --> 05:39:01,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun lamang po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, maraming salamat po sa ating sponsor sa pagsagot sa mga katanungan,

4667
05:39:01,240 --> 05:39:04,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lalong-lalo na ng ating mga CSOs and POs. Maraming salamat po.

4668
05:39:05,560 --> 05:39:10,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Thank you very much to our distinguished colleague, the Honorable Elie San Fernando.

4669
05:39:10,900 --> 05:39:11,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Majority Leader.

4670
05:39:12,580 --> 05:39:19,100
Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable Rene Luis M. Co. from Partylist Kabataan.

4671
05:39:19,860 --> 05:39:25,780
Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: To interpolate on the debate on general principles and provisions.

4672
05:39:26,740 --> 05:39:33,020
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none, Representative Rene Luis Co. of Partylist Kabataan is recognized.

4673
05:39:33,020 --> 05:39:38,660
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Madam Speaker, and good afternoon to our distinguished colleague.

4674
05:39:39,260 --> 05:39:48,180
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: I'd just like to pick up on the earlier interpolations of our colleagues on LGSF and even on the BDP.

4675
05:39:48,980 --> 05:39:49,620
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker,

4676
05:39:49,860 --> 05:39:56,100
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Distinguished colleague, why do we have this funding mechanism where specific LGUs have an entitled allotment

4677
05:39:56,100 --> 05:39:59,560
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: then they can have a menu of items they can choose from?

4678
05:39:59,560 --> 05:40:11,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: My concern is, won't this be prone to abuse depending on the priorities of the executive head of government

4679
05:40:11,480 --> 05:40:16,240
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that is elected and can change per electoral cycle?

4680
05:40:16,980 --> 05:40:19,560
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Why not just allocate these funds accordingly?

4681
05:40:19,860 --> 05:40:24,220
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Regarding to what is programmed in Master Plans instead?

4682
05:40:38,820 --> 05:40:48,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, perhaps if I may suggest po, if we could differentiate the different items

4683
05:40:48,920 --> 05:40:49,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or different plans.

4684
05:40:49,860 --> 05:41:10,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For example, there's a menu that is approved by Congress during every Ga'a as to what the menu would be for those particular items.

4685
05:41:10,780 --> 05:41:16,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: However, there are certain programs na meron na po talaga silang intended use.

4686
05:41:16,520 --> 05:41:19,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For example, NTF-ELCAC.

4687
05:41:19,860 --> 05:41:26,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Talagang may identified lang po talaga na qualified barangays na pwede sa NTF-ELCAC.

4688
05:41:26,480 --> 05:41:31,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For the Growth Equity Fund, it's limited to 4th and 5th class municipalities

4689
05:41:31,400 --> 05:41:37,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: who may have deficits even after the NTA allotment is provided.

4690
05:41:37,060 --> 05:41:49,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, actually po, the disbursement of the LGSF is actually governed by the special provision on LGSF.

4691
05:41:49,860 --> 05:41:57,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, every Ga'a po, actually, posibleng magpalit yung menu ng Falgo, for example.

4692
05:41:57,320 --> 05:42:02,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But for NTF-ELCAC and for Growth Equity Fund, may intended use po talaga sila.

4693
05:42:02,720 --> 05:42:08,560
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, as much as this representation would like to put trust

4694
05:42:08,560 --> 05:42:19,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: on the implementation of supposedly these standards, these mechanisms that should check whether the funding for specific local projects

4695
05:42:19,860 --> 05:42:31,520
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: are followed, we have on record a discussion, an admission from a Secretary for last year when I asked during the

4696
05:42:31,520 --> 05:42:40,100
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: discussions on the Department of Agriculture's budget proposal in 2026, this good Secretary admitted that

4697
05:42:40,100 --> 05:42:49,080
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: even though there's already a national plan for farm-to-market roads, it is still the congressmen who dictate which roads will be built

4698
05:42:49,080 --> 05:42:49,700
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: depending on whose lobbying will be granted.

4699
05:42:49,860 --> 05:42:58,860
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And for this fiscal year, 2026, we saw that Region 1 was given the greatest allocation.

4700
05:42:59,520 --> 05:43:05,580
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, even though we see that there are standards provided in law,

4701
05:43:05,640 --> 05:43:11,040
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: they can differ, that there could be special provisions in different types of fundings,

4702
05:43:11,120 --> 05:43:19,840
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: whether that be LGSF or NTF-ELCAC, which I will go to a bit later, how do we ensure that these standards are met?

4703
05:43:19,840 --> 05:43:27,600
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: given that there are admissions from our members of different agencies that they're not really followed?

4704
05:43:27,860 --> 05:43:29,040
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

4705
05:43:34,720 --> 05:43:43,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, in the case of LGSF, for example, Falgo, it is highly dependent on the LGUs.

4706
05:43:43,840 --> 05:43:49,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, it really depends on which LGUs submit project proposals into the portal.

4707
05:43:49,800 --> 05:43:58,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, the evaluation and the determination as to which LGUs would receive projects

4708
05:43:58,180 --> 05:44:04,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is solely at the discretion of the DBM based on specific criteria and evaluation requirements.

4709
05:44:05,980 --> 05:44:17,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, pagdating po sa LGSF, actually, wala po talaga, aside from Congress laying out which menu items would be allowable for that year,

4710
05:44:17,920 --> 05:44:24,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it's really in the purview of DBM to receive proposals from the local government units

4711
05:44:24,900 --> 05:44:28,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and to evaluate them and ultimately determine which projects will be funded.

4712
05:44:29,220 --> 05:44:32,920
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, is the answer, Madam Speaker, that at least for LGSF,

4713
05:44:34,840 --> 05:44:42,940
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: there are, well, the protection is that DBM will eventually be the one to release that funding,

4714
05:44:42,940 --> 05:44:45,200
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and approve certain projects.

4715
05:44:45,200 --> 05:44:54,240
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: After the lump sum is granted, but that's only for LGSF, in particular, Madam Speaker.

4716
05:44:55,240 --> 05:44:59,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Particularly po for LGSF Falgo, based on the menu and

4717
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:02,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: put forth, set forth

4718
05:45:02,540 --> 05:45:04,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the GAA as well as the criteria

4719
05:45:04,740 --> 05:45:05,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for evaluation.

4720
05:45:06,800 --> 05:45:08,840
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, I'd like to

4721
05:45:08,840 --> 05:45:10,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: relate to

4722
05:45:10,480 --> 05:45:12,680
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and LGSF also

4723
05:45:12,680 --> 05:45:14,700
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: nabanggit na nakalign item

4724
05:45:14,700 --> 05:45:16,740
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ang funds para sa Barangay Development

4725
05:45:16,740 --> 05:45:18,620
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Program or BDP

4726
05:45:18,620 --> 05:45:20,880
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ng NTF-ELCAC. Tama po ba

4727
05:45:20,880 --> 05:45:21,560
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker?

4728
05:45:25,180 --> 05:45:26,720
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Nakalign item po ang funds

4729
05:45:26,720 --> 05:45:28,640
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: para sa Barangay Development Program.

4730
05:45:30,000 --> 05:45:44,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, what we have

4731
05:45:44,640 --> 05:45:47,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: as an annex in the

4732
05:45:47,260 --> 05:45:49,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: NEP and also in the

4733
05:45:49,000 --> 05:45:50,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: HGAB is the list of

4734
05:45:50,860 --> 05:45:52,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: cleared barangays who are qualified

4735
05:45:52,800 --> 05:45:54,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to receive NTF-ELCAC

4736
05:45:54,960 --> 05:45:56,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for a particular year.

4737
05:45:56,780 --> 05:45:59,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So yes, in effect po, nakalign item po

4738
05:45:59,020 --> 05:45:59,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung mga recipient.

4739
05:46:00,000 --> 05:46:01,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It's now NTF-ELCAC.

4740
05:46:01,800 --> 05:46:03,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

4741
05:46:03,700 --> 05:46:06,120
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: I'm hearing a confirmation that in the

4742
05:46:06,120 --> 05:46:07,680
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: NEP and later in the GAA,

4743
05:46:08,160 --> 05:46:10,100
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ang line items na ito ay listahan

4744
05:46:10,100 --> 05:46:12,100
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: lang ng lahat ng mga barangay

4745
05:46:12,100 --> 05:46:13,940
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: na beneficiary ng BDP.

4746
05:46:14,460 --> 05:46:16,580
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Pero lopsang pa rin po ba siya?

4747
05:46:16,960 --> 05:46:18,420
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

4748
05:46:18,920 --> 05:46:20,360
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Last year, 10 million each

4749
05:46:20,360 --> 05:46:21,940
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: for 808 barangays

4750
05:46:21,940 --> 05:46:24,300
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and for the next fiscal year, 5 billion

4751
05:46:24,300 --> 05:46:26,000
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: each for 1,948

4752
05:46:26,760 --> 05:46:28,180
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: barangays. Is this correct,

4753
05:46:28,180 --> 05:46:28,700
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker?

4754
05:46:30,000 --> 05:46:32,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

4755
05:46:32,220 --> 05:46:33,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Technically, if you look at it

4756
05:46:33,920 --> 05:46:36,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the item of

4757
05:46:36,060 --> 05:46:39,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for ALGU,

4758
05:46:39,840 --> 05:46:41,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: allocation for LGUs,

4759
05:46:41,940 --> 05:46:43,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: technically lump sum po siya doon.

4760
05:46:43,880 --> 05:46:46,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But in the annex of the GAA,

4761
05:46:46,720 --> 05:46:48,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there is a list,

4762
05:46:48,860 --> 05:46:49,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a supporting table

4763
05:46:49,900 --> 05:46:51,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which lists all the

4764
05:46:51,940 --> 05:46:53,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: beneficiary barangays.

4765
05:46:54,100 --> 05:46:55,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Uniform naman po kasi yung amount

4766
05:46:55,980 --> 05:46:57,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na nare-receive per barangay.

4767
05:46:57,960 --> 05:46:59,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So naka-detail out po siya.

4768
05:47:00,000 --> 05:47:01,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So it's lump sum in its presentation

4769
05:47:01,760 --> 05:47:04,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the main body of the budget.

4770
05:47:04,540 --> 05:47:06,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But it has an annex that

4771
05:47:06,060 --> 05:47:07,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shows the line items,

4772
05:47:07,980 --> 05:47:09,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: essentially the full list of beneficiaries.

4773
05:47:11,180 --> 05:47:11,780
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker,

4774
05:47:11,900 --> 05:47:13,280
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: distinguished sponsor,

4775
05:47:13,800 --> 05:47:15,880
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: gaya po ng tanong natin sa LGSF,

4776
05:47:16,260 --> 05:47:17,800
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ano-ano nga ba ang standards

4777
05:47:17,800 --> 05:47:19,900
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and safeguards natin para sa

4778
05:47:19,900 --> 05:47:22,120
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: pondong ito? Ang nakasulat lang po

4779
05:47:22,120 --> 05:47:24,160
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sa special provision on BDP,

4780
05:47:24,740 --> 05:47:25,920
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: quote-unquote, cleared

4781
05:47:25,920 --> 05:47:27,940
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: barangays as certified by the

4782
05:47:27,940 --> 05:47:29,980
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: NTFL cap. Pero ano nga ba?

4783
05:47:29,980 --> 05:47:31,500
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Ano ba ang mga pamantayan para masabing

4784
05:47:31,500 --> 05:47:33,180
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: cleared ang isang barangay?

4785
05:47:33,540 --> 05:47:36,080
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Simply put, Madam Speaker, what constitutes

4786
05:47:36,080 --> 05:47:37,180
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: a cleared barangay?

4787
05:47:52,320 --> 05:47:54,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague,

4788
05:47:54,500 --> 05:47:56,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the identification of

4789
05:47:56,160 --> 05:47:57,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these cleared barangays is actually

4790
05:47:57,940 --> 05:47:59,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the purview of the DILG.

4791
05:47:59,980 --> 05:48:01,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The

4792
05:48:01,020 --> 05:48:04,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: condition or criteria being

4793
05:48:04,160 --> 05:48:06,160
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that the target beneficiary LGUs

4794
05:48:06,160 --> 05:48:07,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: under the LGSF

4795
05:48:07,900 --> 05:48:09,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SBDP or the NTFL

4796
05:48:09,860 --> 05:48:11,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: are the cleared barangays which

4797
05:48:11,780 --> 05:48:13,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: underwent community

4798
05:48:13,700 --> 05:48:15,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: support program or CSP

4799
05:48:15,840 --> 05:48:18,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and retooled CSP in

4800
05:48:18,020 --> 05:48:20,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: calendar year 2026.

4801
05:48:20,580 --> 05:48:21,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So meron pong

4802
05:48:21,420 --> 05:48:24,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: specific conditions na kailangan

4803
05:48:24,080 --> 05:48:26,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po nila ma-meet as per LCAC.

4804
05:48:27,900 --> 05:48:28,160
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: These

4805
05:48:28,160 --> 05:48:29,760
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: CSPs, Madam Speaker, good

4806
05:48:29,980 --> 05:48:31,440
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sponsor, dapat po noong

4807
05:48:31,440 --> 05:48:35,960
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: 2026 ay naisagawa nila,

4808
05:48:36,220 --> 05:48:36,720
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker.

4809
05:48:37,460 --> 05:48:39,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tama po, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague,

4810
05:48:39,420 --> 05:48:41,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for them to be considered a cleared

4811
05:48:41,280 --> 05:48:43,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: barangay for inclusion in the

4812
05:48:43,440 --> 05:48:45,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 2027 NEP, kailangan

4813
05:48:45,640 --> 05:48:47,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po na gawa po nila

4814
05:48:47,860 --> 05:48:49,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: yung CSP at retooled CSP

4815
05:48:49,580 --> 05:48:51,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ng calendar year 2026.

4816
05:48:52,000 --> 05:48:53,580
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Saan po nakalista, Madam Speaker,

4817
05:48:53,720 --> 05:48:55,700
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: good sponsor, kung ano pong listahan

4818
05:48:55,700 --> 05:48:57,860
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ng mga community support programs na ito?

4819
05:48:59,980 --> 05:49:18,000
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Because Madam Speaker, even the answer just that dapat naka-undergo sila ng CSPs still puts into question ano po ba siya and hindi pa nakukomplete yung answer kung ano po ba yung criteria na ito, Madam Speaker.

4820
05:49:18,000 --> 05:49:40,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, we're just looking at it kasi sa special provision po ng NTF-LCAC, meron ng mga qualified programs under CSP. So may menu din po yung CSP. We're just looking for it po as a special provision to NTF-LCAC.

4821
05:49:40,680 --> 05:49:41,440
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

4822
05:49:41,440 --> 05:49:44,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Please give us a few seconds, Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague.

4823
05:49:48,000 --> 05:49:49,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ...

4824
05:50:18,000 --> 05:50:43,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, my apologies. I would like to clarify my answer earlier. So ang nagsasagawa po ng CSP is DILG. So they conduct the community support program with the different target beneficiary barangays in order for them to determine which of the projects are best suited for that particular barangay.

4825
05:50:43,640 --> 05:50:47,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Tapos yung particular menu po na yun.

4826
05:50:48,000 --> 05:51:01,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun yung farm-to-market roads, school building, water and sanitation system, health stations, and electrification. So the whole process of conducting the CSP lies with DILG po. Wala pong visibility yung DBM.

4827
05:51:02,800 --> 05:51:17,900
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor, na-mention nga po kung ano yung mga CSPs na yun lang po dapat yung saklaw ng BDP. However, sa website po ng NTF-LCAC kung saan pwede pong ilista.

4828
05:51:18,000 --> 05:51:47,120
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Yung mga BDPs na naimplementa, meron din daw housing or reconstruction at livelihood projects without breakdown of which barangays implemented what. It therefore begs the question, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, saan-saan nga ba napunta ang pondo na ito? Natatapos ba ang mga proyekto na ito sa ilalim ng BDP? O tulad ba ito ng ghost or substandard projects na natimbog po natin last year?

4829
05:51:48,000 --> 05:52:14,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, the report as to where the funds went and what programs or projects each barangay got is actually being generated and maintained po by DILG. And that particular report is available in their Subay Bayan portal. So may full list po ng lahat po ng mga projects na napondohan under NTF-LCAC.

4830
05:52:14,280 --> 05:52:15,680
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Yes po, Madam Speaker.

4831
05:52:18,000 --> 05:52:44,180
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Sa website, there are items there that are not provided for in that special provision or in the classification of CSPs. As I mentioned po, there's housing, there's reconstruction, and it is not contemplated in the list provided by the good sponsor which said that may form to market roads, school building, water and sanitation system, health stations, and electrification.

4832
05:52:44,180 --> 05:52:47,980
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So saan po nanggaling yung ibang mga items na ito?

4833
05:52:48,000 --> 05:53:07,080
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And ano yung role po ng DBM or ng DBCC to ensure na kung ano lang po yung nakalagay sa special provision, yun po yung na-implementa? Kung meron pong nakalista na hindi po nasa loob ng CSP, ano pong karampatang aksyon ang magawa para po macheck kung tama po yung funding?

4834
05:53:07,400 --> 05:53:12,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po for bringing up that point, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague.

4835
05:53:12,780 --> 05:53:17,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Actually, nabanggit din po ng DBM yun na yung monitoring po.

4836
05:53:18,000 --> 05:53:35,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kapat ay nasa DILG, reporting sa kanila. But also, it should be part of the COA audit report. Kung may nakita po na mga proyekto na na-implement na wala po doon sa menu na sinet, kailangan po makall yung attention.

4837
05:53:35,640 --> 05:53:46,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So thank you very much po to our distinguished colleague for bringing that up. We can relay that also to DILG and COA to look into these items po.

4838
05:53:46,860 --> 05:54:15,500
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But to clarify, thank you for answering that. If ever there is feedback on that, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, if it can be written, this representation would like a copy of the feedback kung ano pong explanation kung bakit may ganitong mga items listed sa website na wala naman po sa mga nalistang CSPs. If that's possible, Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

4839
05:54:15,500 --> 05:54:35,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague. That would be possible. We'll just have to coordinate with COA and DILG with regard to that. Because as of now po, as per DBM, wala po pong nare-receive na report yung DBM with regard to this. So once available po, we'll share it with our distinguished colleague.

4840
05:54:35,700 --> 05:54:45,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But to clarify, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, kapag sabi ng barangay na ito ay nasa ilalim or naisip,

4841
05:54:45,500 --> 05:55:12,260
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: na isagawa yung CSP and therefore they can qualify for funding ng BDP for 2027, ano po ang therefore nakukuha ng DBM para po ma-authorize na sila po ay pwedeng makakuha ng funding ulit for BDP? It's just a list of barangays? Is that the limitation of the visibility of DBM, Madam Speaker, good sponsor?

4842
05:55:15,500 --> 05:55:45,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague. Even though they're listed separately already in the GAA, at the point of release, kailangan po ulit magsumite ng DILG sa DBM ng patunay. Essentially, they endorse which of the qualified barangays actually already went the CSP and meron ng identified project and plansyado na po lahat ng requirements.

4843
05:55:45,500 --> 05:55:50,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And only then will DBM release the funding for that particular project.

4844
05:55:51,140 --> 05:56:15,380
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: We raise these questions, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, because the NTF-ELCAC, since its establishment and has also been notorious in its reputation internationally, it targets unarmed civilians, progressives, and activists. Kahit po igiit na issued by the DBM in coordination with the NTF-ELCAC and limited po ang visibility ng DBM,

4845
05:56:15,500 --> 05:56:33,080
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sa certifications in relation to BDM funds na wala rin pong nahawakan na pera ang NTF-ELCAC mismo, it is upon us as the branch of government with the power of the purse to question where the budget goes.

4846
05:56:33,080 --> 05:56:45,420
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Hindi natin kinakwestiyon ng pag-unlad o grassroots development. We actually want that, Madam Speaker, good sponsor. What we do not want is conditional development that the BDP of the NTF-ELCAC shows.

4847
05:56:45,500 --> 05:56:49,560
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: O kailangan cleared ka muna bago ka makakakuha ng pondo.

4848
05:56:49,980 --> 05:57:00,000
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And this representation will move at the proper time to amend the HGAB for the abolition of the BDP and the transferring of the funding directly to schools, housing, and the like.

4849
05:57:00,000 --> 05:57:13,600
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Because this representation, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, is not convinced that the scheme that is being implemented now, wherein DBM has limited visibility para macheck pong ano pong effectivity,

4850
05:57:13,600 --> 05:57:31,240
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and even yung qualification ng CSP supposedly na nakuha ng previous barangay cleared that entitles them to funding now, should allow for more billions to be funneled in this way.

4851
05:57:31,640 --> 05:57:36,040
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Kung pwede naman pong nakaayon po ito sa master plan, Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

4852
05:57:36,960 --> 05:57:41,520
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor, if there's no response, I'd like to move on to my next line of questioning.

4853
05:57:41,520 --> 05:57:42,520
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker.

4854
05:57:43,600 --> 05:57:47,100
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor, this is now about confidential funds.

4855
05:57:47,940 --> 05:57:55,360
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Article 2, Section 28 of the 1987 Constitution says that subject to reasonable conditions prescribed by law,

4856
05:57:55,900 --> 05:58:03,440
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: the state adopts and implements a policy of full public disclosure of all its transactions involving public interest.

4857
05:58:03,960 --> 05:58:11,400
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: While Article 3, Section 7 states the right of the people to information on matters of public concern shall be recognized.

4858
05:58:11,860 --> 05:58:13,400
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: However, the General Assembly...

4859
05:58:13,600 --> 05:58:26,320
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: The General Principles and Provisions of House Bill 10585 again authorize lump sum confidential and intelligence appropriations across various agencies of the national government.

4860
05:58:26,320 --> 05:58:39,300
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And under Joint Circular No. 2015-01 between DBMs, COA, and other agencies, disbursements from these funds are supported by documentary evidence kept in sealed envelopes.

4861
05:58:39,860 --> 05:58:43,520
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Liquidation is subjected only to post-audit by the COA.

4862
05:58:43,580 --> 05:58:50,060
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: The COA Intelligence and Confidential Fund Audit Unit and a notice of this allowance may be issued years after the fact.

4863
05:58:50,600 --> 05:59:01,400
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: A delay now glaringly exposed as the impeachment proceedings reveal questionable confidential fund disbursements that escape timely scrutiny.

4864
05:59:02,320 --> 05:59:12,600
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Can the sponsor therefore explain the wisdom of retaining confidential fund provisions in the 2027 GAB and its general principles

4865
05:59:12,600 --> 05:59:13,500
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: when the existing...

4866
05:59:13,500 --> 05:59:25,760
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: When the existing audit architecture inherently guarantees that illegal or unconstitutional spending can remain concealed for years, defeating the constitutional demand for public accountability, Madam Speaker?

4867
05:59:43,500 --> 05:59:57,600
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: When the existing audit architecture inherently guarantees that illegal or unconstitutional spending can remain concealed for years, defeating the constitutional demand for public accountability, Madam Speaker?

4868
05:59:57,600 --> 06:00:00,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, the...

4869
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:26,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The basis for essentially which outlines the guidelines for allotment of confidential intelligence funds or essentially outlines who are allowed to avail of confidential intelligence funds is outlined in the COA, DBM, DILG, GECG, and DND Joint Circular Number 2015-01.

4870
06:00:26,680 --> 06:00:45,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So there, in Section 4.0, it says that the following are entitled to confidential funds and intelligence funds. So kung iisa-isahin po ba natin, there are…

4871
06:00:45,960 --> 06:00:53,920
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor, perhaps no need for that because the good secretary already did that during the budget briefing.

4872
06:00:53,920 --> 06:00:55,920
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But I am asking, Madam Speaker…

4873
06:00:56,680 --> 06:01:12,840
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: For the wisdom of the continuing grant of confidential expenses, despite the exposure of the currently flawed architecture that allows the disbursement of confidential expenses,

4874
06:01:12,840 --> 06:01:23,040
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: but when there are illegal or abusive expenses, it can take years before it can be exposed,

4875
06:01:23,820 --> 06:01:25,840
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: which by then, lumabas.

4876
06:01:26,680 --> 06:01:34,520
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Lumabas na yung funding. Sana na po napunta sa ibang mas deserving na items, but nonetheless, ay pinunta po sa confidential funds.

4877
06:01:35,000 --> 06:01:41,780
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: This is the topic of the daily political diet of Filipinos. Bakit may confidential funds?

4878
06:01:42,320 --> 06:01:48,820
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So we have an opportunity to engage it in this budget, but it's still here, Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

4879
06:01:49,820 --> 06:01:55,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, if you would look at the NEP,

4880
06:01:56,680 --> 06:02:07,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the 2027 NEP, yung whichever agencies had COA findings relating to their confidential and intelligence funds,

4881
06:02:07,660 --> 06:02:13,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: wala pong inalocate na CIF sa loob po na 2027 NEP.

4882
06:02:13,480 --> 06:02:26,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: The agencies that were given continuing confidential or intelligence funds are those that really have mandates relating to national security.

4883
06:02:26,680 --> 06:02:45,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, doon po sa ating budget, ang meron lang po is DOF, BOC, DILG-OSEC, DILG-PNP, DOJ-OSEC, DOJ-NBI, AMLAC, ARTA, DND, and DOTR.

4884
06:02:45,000 --> 06:02:54,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, and the Office of the President.

4885
06:02:54,500 --> 06:02:56,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun lang po. Linimitahan naman na po.

4886
06:02:56,680 --> 06:03:05,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yung bilang ng mga ahensya, sinigurado po ng DBM sa pagbuo po ng 2027 NEP,

4887
06:03:05,160 --> 06:03:10,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: natangin yung mga ahensya lang po talaga na may mandato na related po sa,

4888
06:03:11,100 --> 06:03:16,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na pwede pong lagyan ng kaukalang CIF yung kanila po ninagyan sa budget.

4889
06:03:17,800 --> 06:03:22,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And no increase po, sorry. Much lower than it was in the previous year.

4890
06:03:22,420 --> 06:03:24,160
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

4891
06:03:24,160 --> 06:03:31,220
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, perhaps we still need to sharply interrogate whose security is actually being served

4892
06:03:31,220 --> 06:03:35,940
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in the grant of the confidential expenses of the various agencies mentioned,

4893
06:03:36,360 --> 06:03:41,100
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: but we will reserve those questions to the agencies that are in question.

4894
06:03:41,540 --> 06:03:46,160
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But nonetheless, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, the answer I'm hearing is that,

4895
06:03:46,660 --> 06:03:53,160
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yes, there were, there's proof, and nakita natin kung paano naabuso yung confidential expenses.

4896
06:03:54,160 --> 06:03:58,880
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, now we mitigated it by ensuring that in the next budget cycle,

4897
06:03:59,220 --> 06:04:02,820
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yung mga nararapat na lang yung pwedeng gastahan.

4898
06:04:03,380 --> 06:04:08,220
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, am I interpreting it correctly that, right now,

4899
06:04:08,520 --> 06:04:16,620
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: there is no mechanism to ensure non-abusive confidential fund spending

4900
06:04:16,620 --> 06:04:23,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: other than by leaving it to COA when it receives its audit agency reports

4901
06:04:23,480 --> 06:04:24,140
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and submits it to the agency?

4902
06:04:25,680 --> 06:04:34,020
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And to mitigate it in the next budget cycle when an anomaly has been discovered,

4903
06:04:34,020 --> 06:04:36,180
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: which can happen, you know, years later.

4904
06:04:36,680 --> 06:04:42,260
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Are there no mechanisms in place that DBCC or the DBM can exercise

4905
06:04:42,260 --> 06:04:45,360
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: other than what I've specified, Madam Speaker, good sponsor?

4906
06:04:45,360 --> 06:04:54,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, yes, the DBCC family recognizes that point,

4907
06:04:54,160 --> 06:05:00,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that at this point, there are, nandun lang po, nasa level lang po nang kuha.

4908
06:05:01,260 --> 06:05:07,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It's really like a post-audit arrangement in terms of CIF.

4909
06:05:08,360 --> 06:05:10,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun po, we recognize that point.

4910
06:05:10,480 --> 06:05:15,340
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, there are no preventive mechanisms in place

4911
06:05:15,340 --> 06:05:18,640
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in the existing rules, like in the 2015 Joint Circular,

4912
06:05:19,060 --> 06:05:21,920
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: where questionable plans for spending can be halted,

4913
06:05:21,980 --> 06:05:27,900
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: even though the Confidential Expenses Plan, or Annex A,

4914
06:05:28,120 --> 06:05:34,140
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: is already attached when the request for allocation of confidential expenses

4915
06:05:34,140 --> 06:05:37,340
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: is submitted to DBM, Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

4916
06:06:15,340 --> 06:06:19,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, upon conferring with DBM,

4917
06:06:20,200 --> 06:06:25,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so, the only thing that is submitted to them when the releases are requested

4918
06:06:25,640 --> 06:06:28,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is something like a physical and financial plan.

4919
06:06:28,640 --> 06:06:33,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And even the contents are very vague to the point that they're unable to detect

4920
06:06:33,900 --> 06:06:39,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at that stage whether there may be issues down the road.

4921
06:06:39,660 --> 06:06:43,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, admittedly po, because of the nature of the expenses themselves,

4922
06:06:43,960 --> 06:06:45,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: naka-sealed envelope.

4923
06:06:45,340 --> 06:06:48,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, they're not able to validate it at that point.

4924
06:06:48,680 --> 06:06:52,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, on the part of DBM, during the SARA release,

4925
06:06:52,460 --> 06:06:58,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: unfortunately, walang mechanism in place at the moment for them to be able to check.

4926
06:06:58,660 --> 06:07:02,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, it's really at the part of COA once they do the audit.

4927
06:07:03,340 --> 06:07:04,860
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Speaker, good sponsor,

4928
06:07:06,280 --> 06:07:09,620
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: so, essentially, we hope that COA does a good job.

4929
06:07:09,620 --> 06:07:13,240
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But at the end of the day, this means that there can be years

4930
06:07:13,240 --> 06:07:14,620
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: wherein these disbursements,

4931
06:07:15,340 --> 06:07:21,340
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: these disbursements happen at kung naspotan ng COA

4932
06:07:21,340 --> 06:07:24,000
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yung anomalous spending,

4933
06:07:24,000 --> 06:07:27,200
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: dito lang po magsisimulang investigasyon

4934
06:07:27,200 --> 06:07:31,860
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: at dito po magkakaroon ng chance na matignan

4935
06:07:31,860 --> 06:07:35,100
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: at syempre yung pinakagusto nating mangyari, mabawi.

4936
06:07:35,100 --> 06:07:38,800
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, as it stands, Madam Speaker, good sponsor,

4937
06:07:38,800 --> 06:07:45,140
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: not only does this representation see that confidential expenses, confidential funds,

4938
06:07:45,340 --> 06:07:51,060
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: is not in line with our constitutional principles

4939
06:07:51,060 --> 06:07:54,760
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: of accountability, of transparency,

4940
06:07:55,340 --> 06:07:56,980
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: of full public disclosure,

4941
06:07:57,700 --> 06:08:02,660
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: of all the state's transactions involving public interests.

4942
06:08:02,860 --> 06:08:05,720
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: We also believe that confidential funds and expenses

4943
06:08:05,720 --> 06:08:07,500
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: are a relic of opaque governance

4944
06:08:07,500 --> 06:08:13,500
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that has no place after the misspending of them has been exposed.

4945
06:08:14,620 --> 06:08:15,180
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: The ongoing implications,

4946
06:08:15,340 --> 06:08:19,300
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: the impeachment proceedings expose how billions in confidential appropriations

4947
06:08:19,300 --> 06:08:22,880
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: were dispersed with zero real-time accountability,

4948
06:08:22,880 --> 06:08:27,840
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: shielded by sealed envelopes and post-audits that take years to surface.

4949
06:08:27,840 --> 06:08:31,060
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And I think this is not a mere technical flaw.

4950
06:08:31,060 --> 06:08:34,120
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: This can be a systemic weapon against the people's purse.

4951
06:08:34,120 --> 06:08:39,140
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: We heard that there are moves to amend the rules.

4952
06:08:39,140 --> 06:08:42,040
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So while we're waiting for that,

4953
06:08:42,040 --> 06:08:43,340
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: we're of the stance that there should be no confidential expenses.

4954
06:08:45,660 --> 06:08:47,320
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: In this budget,

4955
06:08:47,320 --> 06:08:49,560
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and it should be allocated instead,

4956
06:08:50,060 --> 06:08:52,280
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: to different services that our people

4957
06:08:52,280 --> 06:08:54,220
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: direly need more.

4958
06:08:54,540 --> 06:08:56,760
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And while our people starve for health, education,

4959
06:08:56,900 --> 06:08:57,360
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and housing,

4960
06:08:58,020 --> 06:09:00,380
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: the state entrenches budgetary mechanisms

4961
06:09:00,380 --> 06:09:02,300
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that bankroll, surveillance,

4962
06:09:02,660 --> 06:09:05,220
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: red-tagging, and counterinsurgency programs

4963
06:09:05,220 --> 06:09:06,640
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: like the NAPI-OPD.

4964
06:09:07,100 --> 06:09:08,320
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And for us, Madam Speaker,

4965
06:09:08,420 --> 06:09:10,240
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: there is no wisdom in continuing these

4966
06:09:10,240 --> 06:09:11,740
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in House Bill 1058.

4967
06:09:12,140 --> 06:09:14,340
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Public funds must flow to public welfare,

4968
06:09:14,420 --> 06:09:15,320
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: not to secrecy,

4969
06:09:15,340 --> 06:09:17,020
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: see that breeds plunder and

4970
06:09:17,020 --> 06:09:19,400
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: impunity. Madam Speaker, I will

4971
06:09:19,400 --> 06:09:21,360
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: move, and good sponsor, I will move

4972
06:09:21,360 --> 06:09:22,640
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: at the appropriate time

4973
06:09:22,640 --> 06:09:24,940
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: for the proper amendments

4974
06:09:24,940 --> 06:09:27,580
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: which this representation hopes

4975
06:09:27,580 --> 06:09:29,060
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that the body considers.

4976
06:09:29,580 --> 06:09:31,580
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: In the meantime, we hope

4977
06:09:31,580 --> 06:09:33,680
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that the requested documents may be

4978
06:09:33,680 --> 06:09:35,460
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: submitted at the proper time

4979
06:09:35,460 --> 06:09:37,360
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: and this representation

4980
06:09:37,360 --> 06:09:39,540
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: thanks the indulgence of the

4981
06:09:39,540 --> 06:09:41,340
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sponsor for their time in

4982
06:09:41,340 --> 06:09:43,620
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: answering this representation's

4983
06:09:43,620 --> 06:09:45,440
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: questions. That's all, Madam Speaker.

4984
06:09:45,860 --> 06:09:47,240
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.

4985
06:09:47,380 --> 06:09:49,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much to the Honorable Reniko.

4986
06:09:51,640 --> 06:09:52,850
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

4987
06:09:52,850 --> 06:09:53,500
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, next

4988
06:09:53,500 --> 06:09:55,340
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to introduce...

4989
06:09:55,340 --> 06:09:57,260
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to suspend the session

4990
06:09:57,260 --> 06:09:58,100
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: for a few minutes.

4991
06:09:58,100 --> 06:09:59,020
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Motion suspended.

4992
06:09:59,200 --> 06:10:00,200
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Session suspended.

4993
06:29:22,000 --> 06:29:24,000
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Session resumed. Majority Leader.

4994
06:29:24,000 --> 06:29:26,000
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, next to interpellate the sponsor,

4995
06:29:26,000 --> 06:29:28,000
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: I move to recognize the Honorable Bong Suntay

4996
06:29:28,000 --> 06:29:30,000
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of the Fourth District of Quezon City.

4997
06:29:30,000 --> 06:29:39,780
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none, the Honorable Representative Jesus "Bong" Suntay from the Fourth District of Quezon City is recognized.

4998
06:29:40,060 --> 06:29:57,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Speaker, to our good sponsor. Madam Speaker, dahil sa current condition ng ating Chair Mika, I will keep my questions simple so that it will be very easy to answer.

4999
06:29:57,280 --> 06:29:59,920
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Magsasamahin ko na rin yung tanong ko.

5000
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:02,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: DepDev at saka sa

5001
06:30:02,220 --> 06:30:04,520
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: DBM para maiklian

5002
06:30:04,520 --> 06:30:05,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: yung oras.

5003
06:30:06,580 --> 06:30:08,740
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I will limit it to my general concern

5004
06:30:08,740 --> 06:30:10,460
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: regarding the

5005
06:30:10,460 --> 06:30:12,920
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 7.2 trillion

5006
06:30:12,920 --> 06:30:14,260
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: budget. I will not

5007
06:30:14,260 --> 06:30:16,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: no longer go to specifics dahil

5008
06:30:16,180 --> 06:30:17,200
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: tatagal lang tayo.

5009
06:30:18,900 --> 06:30:19,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In

5010
06:30:19,220 --> 06:30:20,700
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2024,

5011
06:30:21,700 --> 06:30:24,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we approved the budget of

5012
06:30:24,440 --> 06:30:26,400
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 5.76 trillion

5013
06:30:26,400 --> 06:30:28,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for 2025.

5014
06:30:28,080 --> 06:30:30,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It was 6.3 trillion

5015
06:30:30,180 --> 06:30:31,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for 2026.

5016
06:30:31,840 --> 06:30:33,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It was 6.7

5017
06:30:33,760 --> 06:30:35,900
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 93 trillion.

5018
06:30:36,760 --> 06:30:37,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And now,

5019
06:30:38,160 --> 06:30:40,060
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we are asking for a

5020
06:30:40,060 --> 06:30:42,160
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 7.2 trillion budget.

5021
06:30:44,720 --> 06:30:46,140
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: My concern

5022
06:30:46,140 --> 06:30:48,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is not that the 7.2 trillion

5023
06:30:48,280 --> 06:30:50,360
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is not mathematically impossible

5024
06:30:50,360 --> 06:30:51,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to support.

5025
06:30:52,100 --> 06:30:53,700
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: My worry is that,

5026
06:30:54,020 --> 06:30:55,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: given the current economic

5027
06:30:56,420 --> 06:30:57,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: situation,

5028
06:30:57,180 --> 06:30:59,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the fiscal space

5029
06:30:59,080 --> 06:31:01,200
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: supporting it

5030
06:31:01,200 --> 06:31:02,680
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: has become tight.

5031
06:31:04,360 --> 06:31:05,640
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Sa ating mga

5032
06:31:05,640 --> 06:31:06,920
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: sources of revenue,

5033
06:31:09,080 --> 06:31:09,680
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: magkano ang

5034
06:31:09,680 --> 06:31:10,940
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: projected natin

5035
06:31:10,940 --> 06:31:12,460
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: na makukuha?

5036
06:31:19,900 --> 06:31:21,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

5037
06:31:21,560 --> 06:31:22,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: my distinguished colleague,

5038
06:31:23,080 --> 06:31:25,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: first of all, I would like to say thank you

5039
06:31:25,060 --> 06:31:27,060
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to our distinguished colleagues,

5040
06:31:27,180 --> 06:31:28,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleague the Honorable Bong Suntay,

5041
06:31:28,640 --> 06:31:29,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for taking into account

5042
06:31:29,840 --> 06:31:32,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the very pregnant state

5043
06:31:32,780 --> 06:31:34,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that I am currently in.

5044
06:31:34,320 --> 06:31:35,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Maraming maraming salamat po.

5045
06:31:36,800 --> 06:31:38,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Their response po to the

5046
06:31:38,760 --> 06:31:41,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: query for 2027 po,

5047
06:31:41,480 --> 06:31:42,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our assumption

5048
06:31:42,660 --> 06:31:44,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: with regard to total revenues as stated

5049
06:31:44,800 --> 06:31:46,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in the 2027 BASF,

5050
06:31:47,080 --> 06:31:48,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: total revenues is at

5051
06:31:48,780 --> 06:31:51,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 5.2 trillion pesos

5052
06:31:51,860 --> 06:31:53,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and that is a combination

5053
06:31:53,200 --> 06:31:54,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po of tax and

5054
06:31:54,980 --> 06:31:56,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: non-tax revenues.

5055
06:31:56,200 --> 06:31:57,160
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Okay, this would be a

5056
06:31:57,160 --> 06:31:59,340
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: combination from collections

5057
06:31:59,340 --> 06:32:01,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: from the BIR, BOC, and

5058
06:32:01,080 --> 06:32:02,380
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: non-tax revenues.

5059
06:32:03,160 --> 06:32:04,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But this assumption was based

5060
06:32:04,760 --> 06:32:06,500
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: on a more

5061
06:32:06,500 --> 06:32:09,460
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: on a more

5062
06:32:09,460 --> 06:32:15,900
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: economically

5063
06:32:15,900 --> 06:32:18,800
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: acceptable backdrop.

5064
06:32:19,340 --> 06:32:20,740
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Pero nag-iba na po ngayon eh.

5065
06:32:22,100 --> 06:32:23,160
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Well, assuming that

5066
06:32:23,160 --> 06:32:24,560
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we, well,

5067
06:32:25,420 --> 06:32:26,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: achieved the 5.2 billion

5068
06:32:27,160 --> 06:32:27,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: target,

5069
06:32:28,780 --> 06:32:29,700
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: based on

5070
06:32:29,700 --> 06:32:33,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: our 2027 government

5071
06:32:33,180 --> 06:32:34,300
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: fiscal program,

5072
06:32:34,720 --> 06:32:35,600
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the projected

5073
06:32:35,600 --> 06:32:39,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: cash disbursements

5074
06:32:39,280 --> 06:32:41,360
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: expect that

5075
06:32:41,360 --> 06:32:43,480
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 6.9 trillion.

5076
06:32:44,180 --> 06:32:45,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So magkakaroon po tayo

5077
06:32:45,420 --> 06:32:47,120
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ng fiscal

5078
06:32:47,120 --> 06:32:48,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: deficit of

5079
06:32:48,440 --> 06:32:50,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 1.695 trillion.

5080
06:32:51,540 --> 06:32:52,320
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Would that be correct?

5081
06:32:55,740 --> 06:32:57,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: That is correct,

5082
06:32:57,160 --> 06:32:59,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: for 2027, the projected

5083
06:32:59,920 --> 06:33:02,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deficit is at 1.69 trillion.

5084
06:33:02,880 --> 06:33:04,840
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Okay, now so given that

5085
06:33:04,840 --> 06:33:06,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: yung projected revenues

5086
06:33:06,000 --> 06:33:08,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is pegged at 5.2,

5087
06:33:08,000 --> 06:33:10,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ang ating proposed

5088
06:33:10,000 --> 06:33:13,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: budget obligation naman

5089
06:33:13,000 --> 06:33:15,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is 7.2,

5090
06:33:15,000 --> 06:33:17,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: di kulang po tayo,

5091
06:33:17,000 --> 06:33:18,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: magkakaroon tayo ng

5092
06:33:18,420 --> 06:33:20,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: fiscal deficit of around

5093
06:33:20,420 --> 06:33:22,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 1.695.

5094
06:33:22,420 --> 06:33:25,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: How do we intend to fund it?

5095
06:33:25,420 --> 06:33:25,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: By securing

5096
06:33:27,060 --> 06:33:28,380
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: A loan.

5097
06:33:28,380 --> 06:33:30,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: At what amount?

5098
06:33:30,180 --> 06:33:30,940
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

5099
06:33:30,940 --> 06:33:32,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Distinguished Colleague,

5100
06:33:32,780 --> 06:33:35,700
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: there is a projected gross borrowing

5101
06:33:35,700 --> 06:33:38,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of 3.3 trillion pesos

5102
06:33:38,580 --> 06:33:40,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: to be able to fund the deficit po.

5103
06:33:40,980 --> 06:33:41,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Okay.

5104
06:33:41,780 --> 06:33:44,260
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But the 3.3 points,

5105
06:33:44,260 --> 06:33:47,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 3.304 trillion

5106
06:33:47,220 --> 06:33:49,260
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is not only to fund

5107
06:33:49,260 --> 06:33:50,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that budget deficit.

5108
06:33:50,580 --> 06:33:52,300
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi meron pa tayong

5109
06:33:52,300 --> 06:33:54,100
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: how much will go to principal

5110
06:33:54,100 --> 06:33:56,260
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: repayment and amortization?

5111
06:33:56,260 --> 06:33:56,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Hindi kasi nakalagay ng

5112
06:33:56,860 --> 06:33:58,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nakalagay sa

5113
06:33:58,860 --> 06:34:00,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: sa HGAB natin eh.

5114
06:34:00,860 --> 06:34:02,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And then how much will fall

5115
06:34:02,860 --> 06:34:04,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for net financing?

5116
06:34:26,860 --> 06:34:35,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Pagkakaroon tayo ng

5117
06:34:35,860 --> 06:34:37,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 3.3 trillion pesos po,

5118
06:34:37,860 --> 06:34:39,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.69 trillion will go towards

5119
06:34:39,860 --> 06:34:41,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: funding the deficit in the budget.

5120
06:34:41,860 --> 06:34:43,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And the rest po,

5121
06:34:43,860 --> 06:34:45,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the remainder which is also around

5122
06:34:45,860 --> 06:34:47,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 1.5 trillion pesos

5123
06:34:47,860 --> 06:34:49,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would go towards

5124
06:34:49,860 --> 06:34:51,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: amortization of gross

5125
06:34:51,860 --> 06:34:53,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: external borrowings and amortization

5126
06:34:53,860 --> 06:34:55,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of gross domestic borrowings.

5127
06:34:55,860 --> 06:35:00,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So 254 billion of that

5128
06:35:00,860 --> 06:35:02,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would go towards amortization

5129
06:35:02,860 --> 06:35:04,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of external borrowings.

5130
06:35:04,860 --> 06:35:06,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And 1.3 trillion of that

5131
06:35:06,860 --> 06:35:08,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would go towards amortization

5132
06:35:08,860 --> 06:35:10,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of domestic borrowings.

5133
06:35:10,860 --> 06:35:12,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, isn't this disconcerning?

5134
06:35:12,860 --> 06:35:14,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: While I understand that

5135
06:35:14,860 --> 06:35:16,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: hindi naman laging masama ang

5136
06:35:16,860 --> 06:35:18,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: deficit spending, pero

5137
06:35:18,860 --> 06:35:20,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pag nagde-deficit spending tayo,

5138
06:35:20,860 --> 06:35:22,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it is supposedly to fund projects

5139
06:35:22,860 --> 06:35:24,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: which may generate long-term yield,

5140
06:35:24,860 --> 06:35:26,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: o kaya pagka merong

5141
06:35:26,860 --> 06:35:28,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: economic crisis absorption

5142
06:35:28,860 --> 06:35:30,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that has to be done.

5143
06:35:30,860 --> 06:35:32,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In fact, if you go back nung

5144
06:35:32,860 --> 06:35:34,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2010 to 2015,

5145
06:35:34,860 --> 06:35:36,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it was a time of fiscal consolidation

5146
06:35:36,860 --> 06:35:38,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: during the term of

5147
06:35:38,860 --> 06:35:40,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: former President Aquino,

5148
06:35:40,860 --> 06:35:42,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: wherein which budget

5149
06:35:42,860 --> 06:35:44,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: deficit was

5150
06:35:44,860 --> 06:35:46,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: minimized from

5151
06:35:46,860 --> 06:35:48,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 0.09 to 2.5%.

5152
06:35:48,860 --> 06:35:50,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: During the

5153
06:35:50,860 --> 06:35:52,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2016 to 2009

5154
06:35:52,860 --> 06:35:54,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: period, during the

5155
06:35:54,860 --> 06:35:56,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: first half of the term of

5156
06:35:56,860 --> 06:35:58,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: former President Duterte,

5157
06:35:58,860 --> 06:36:00,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it was at an average of

5158
06:36:00,860 --> 06:36:02,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 3.5%.

5159
06:36:02,860 --> 06:36:04,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But after nung

5160
06:36:04,860 --> 06:36:06,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2019, nagkaroon tayo

5161
06:36:06,860 --> 06:36:08,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ng pandemic,

5162
06:36:08,860 --> 06:36:10,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: tapos nun,

5163
06:36:10,860 --> 06:36:12,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that's 2000, well,

5164
06:36:12,860 --> 06:36:14,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2021, 22 naman

5165
06:36:14,860 --> 06:36:16,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: was the rebound, kaya

5166
06:36:16,860 --> 06:36:18,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: tumaas ng unti. Pero

5167
06:36:18,860 --> 06:36:20,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ngayon,

5168
06:36:20,860 --> 06:36:22,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: how

5169
06:36:22,860 --> 06:36:24,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: do we intend to

5170
06:36:24,860 --> 06:36:26,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: be able to

5171
06:36:26,860 --> 06:36:28,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: support such

5172
06:36:28,860 --> 06:36:30,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: budget?

5173
06:37:02,860 --> 06:37:04,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker, my

5174
06:37:04,860 --> 06:37:06,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleague,

5175
06:37:06,860 --> 06:37:08,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we recognize the point of

5176
06:37:08,860 --> 06:37:10,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: our distinguished colleague,

5177
06:37:10,860 --> 06:37:12,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: but the goal is to

5178
06:37:12,860 --> 06:37:14,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: do fiscal consolidation

5179
06:37:14,860 --> 06:37:16,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: down the line, and the

5180
06:37:16,860 --> 06:37:18,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: goal is to reduce

5181
06:37:18,860 --> 06:37:20,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: deficit to

5182
06:37:20,860 --> 06:37:31,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: From 5.4 in 2026 to 2030, sorry, just 3.5 in 2030.

5183
06:37:31,240 --> 06:37:34,460
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: How do we intend to do it?

5184
06:37:34,600 --> 06:37:43,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil if we look at the current economic situation,

5185
06:37:43,280 --> 06:37:53,300
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we have GDP is down to around 2.4%, inflation is up.

5186
06:37:55,860 --> 06:38:02,820
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, paano pa natin maibababa yung, how do we plan to accomplish it?

5187
06:38:03,360 --> 06:38:07,940
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi ang sakin lang, instead of belt tightening, given the current situation, ito yung concern.

5188
06:38:07,940 --> 06:38:12,500
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In 2024, the national debt was at 16.5 trillion.

5189
06:38:12,500 --> 06:38:16,520
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: For 2025, it increased to 17.71 trillion.

5190
06:38:16,920 --> 06:38:22,120
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: For 2026, it's now up to 19.39 trillion.

5191
06:38:22,880 --> 06:38:25,100
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, and it will not stop here.

5192
06:38:25,720 --> 06:38:37,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil from the government's own BESF projects, budget expenditures and source of finance,

5193
06:38:39,080 --> 06:38:41,400
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it presupposes that,

5194
06:38:41,400 --> 06:38:48,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it will go up, the debt will go up to 19.77 trillion at the end of 2026,

5195
06:38:49,500 --> 06:38:55,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: and further up to 21.48 trillion at the end of 2027.

5196
06:38:56,040 --> 06:39:01,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, dollar now is at, kanina nag-close, I think at 62.80.

5197
06:39:01,780 --> 06:39:08,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We should also factor it in dahil it will have a big effect on debt servicing.

5198
06:39:25,480 --> 06:39:31,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my distinguished colleague, upon conferring with economic managers,

5199
06:39:31,980 --> 06:39:38,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: really it's fiscal consolidation and really targeting quality spending,

5200
06:39:39,420 --> 06:39:41,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: looking at allocating funds.

5201
06:39:41,380 --> 06:39:46,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: towards items, programs, projects that have high economic multipliers.

5202
06:39:46,520 --> 06:39:51,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the goal is for us to be able to leverage on that to accelerate growth.

5203
06:39:52,120 --> 06:39:55,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: On the other hand po, with regard to the macroeconomic conditions

5204
06:39:55,200 --> 06:39:57,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that were cited by our distinguished colleagues,

5205
06:39:57,900 --> 06:40:01,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the projection is that by 2028,

5206
06:40:02,720 --> 06:40:08,400
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these magre-reverse somehow in a more positive way

5207
06:40:08,400 --> 06:40:13,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in terms of the macroeconomic factors surrounding it po.

5208
06:40:13,540 --> 06:40:16,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So hopefully, inflation would lessen,

5209
06:40:16,100 --> 06:40:18,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the foreign exchange rate would be more favorable,

5210
06:40:19,120 --> 06:40:21,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the price of fuel will go down.

5211
06:40:22,420 --> 06:40:25,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So with that po, coupled with quality spending,

5212
06:40:25,240 --> 06:40:28,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ma-be-bridge po yung gap doon po sa ating deficit.

5213
06:40:28,080 --> 06:40:29,640
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

5214
06:40:29,920 --> 06:40:37,900
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I hope that our economic managers have the same positive view.

5215
06:40:38,180 --> 06:40:38,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi,

5216
06:40:38,400 --> 06:40:40,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if we want to be realistic,

5217
06:40:41,460 --> 06:40:43,940
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I'm sure that they all know it is unwise

5218
06:40:43,940 --> 06:40:48,460
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to go on a big budget deficit spending

5219
06:40:48,460 --> 06:40:51,020
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if there is already inflationary pressure.

5220
06:40:51,620 --> 06:40:56,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And pagka hindi nararamdaman ng economic managers natin yung inflationary pressure,

5221
06:40:56,420 --> 06:40:58,820
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: then there's something wrong with our government.

5222
06:41:00,700 --> 06:41:03,340
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Walang mangyayari sa atin if we do not feel

5223
06:41:03,340 --> 06:41:06,680
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that there is economic pressure already dahil

5224
06:41:06,680 --> 06:41:08,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ano yung ekonomiya,

5225
06:41:08,180 --> 06:41:09,340
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: economic pressure natin.

5226
06:41:10,440 --> 06:41:11,520
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Sa FDI na lang,

5227
06:41:12,080 --> 06:41:14,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: makano yung foreign direct investment natin ngayon?

5228
06:41:15,300 --> 06:41:19,640
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: From a high of, I think, 9.7 billion way back in 2024,

5229
06:41:19,900 --> 06:41:24,320
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it's down to 3.4 billion for 2026.

5230
06:41:25,020 --> 06:41:28,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's a good indicator of investor's confidence in our country.

5231
06:41:29,580 --> 06:41:32,100
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, if we are not concerned about that,

5232
06:41:32,600 --> 06:41:34,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: then pupunta tayo, dapat tignan natin yung

5233
06:41:34,980 --> 06:41:37,960
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: what is the current,

5234
06:41:38,180 --> 06:41:41,560
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: projected inflation natin ngayon.

5235
06:41:43,840 --> 06:41:44,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Diba?

5236
06:41:45,000 --> 06:41:45,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's also down.

5237
06:41:46,620 --> 06:41:47,900
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We projected what?

5238
06:41:49,420 --> 06:41:53,380
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It to be at a lower percentage,

5239
06:41:53,480 --> 06:41:54,140
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: but now it's,

5240
06:41:54,760 --> 06:41:57,260
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nasa 6.1 ba?

5241
06:41:58,320 --> 06:42:06,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Expected po, inflation is at around 5.4% in 2027.

5242
06:42:06,080 --> 06:42:06,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yan po yung,

5243
06:42:06,900 --> 06:42:09,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: naka-embed po,

5244
06:42:09,140 --> 06:42:11,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: na assumption sa budget.

5245
06:42:13,000 --> 06:42:17,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And 3.3 and down to 3.3% in 2028.

5246
06:42:19,340 --> 06:42:20,020
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi,

5247
06:42:20,180 --> 06:42:22,040
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: kaya ako lang ito,

5248
06:42:22,300 --> 06:42:23,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: cause for concern,

5249
06:42:24,680 --> 06:42:26,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if we really look at it,

5250
06:42:27,840 --> 06:42:30,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for the second quarter 2026,

5251
06:42:30,320 --> 06:42:32,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: real GDP growth was 2.3%.

5252
06:42:32,880 --> 06:42:36,240
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: August inflation was 6.1%.

5253
06:42:36,900 --> 06:42:41,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Bottom 30% of household inflation was actually 8.2%.

5254
06:42:41,440 --> 06:42:43,960
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: These are concerning data.

5255
06:42:44,960 --> 06:42:47,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kung titignan talaga natin.

5256
06:42:47,780 --> 06:42:49,340
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, as I mentioned,

5257
06:42:50,160 --> 06:42:51,020
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we also feel it.

5258
06:42:51,960 --> 06:42:55,200
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Fuel prices alone is projected to go up to,

5259
06:42:56,120 --> 06:43:01,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: diesel prices projected to go up to as high as 100 pesos per liter.

5260
06:43:02,260 --> 06:43:03,800
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: That will have an economic impact.

5261
06:43:03,800 --> 06:43:05,380
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In fact, makikita nyo,

5262
06:43:05,860 --> 06:43:06,060
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: mas,

5263
06:43:06,060 --> 06:43:07,600
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: less traffic ngayon,

5264
06:43:07,700 --> 06:43:09,680
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: especially yung mga public utility vehicles.

5265
06:43:09,960 --> 06:43:10,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: They,

5266
06:43:11,040 --> 06:43:12,840
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: not as much fly the roads anymore.

5267
06:43:13,260 --> 06:43:13,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil,

5268
06:43:14,080 --> 06:43:15,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it's better to stay at home

5269
06:43:15,440 --> 06:43:16,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: dan maglabas ka,

5270
06:43:17,320 --> 06:43:19,480
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: bumiyahi ka dahil hindi ka kikita.

5271
06:43:23,040 --> 06:43:23,960
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Mr. Speaker,

5272
06:43:24,140 --> 06:43:25,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: my distinguished colleague,

5273
06:43:25,780 --> 06:43:27,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: on the part of the economic managers,

5274
06:43:27,940 --> 06:43:28,640
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: they assure,

5275
06:43:29,200 --> 06:43:31,360
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: they give the assurance that they review

5276
06:43:31,360 --> 06:43:34,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: these macroeconomic assumptions every three months po.

5277
06:43:34,600 --> 06:43:35,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, quarterly naman,

5278
06:43:36,060 --> 06:43:40,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: depending on the realities that are prevailing,

5279
06:43:40,680 --> 06:43:43,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: in-update naman po nila yung macroeconomic assumptions.

5280
06:43:43,700 --> 06:43:44,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil,

5281
06:43:44,900 --> 06:43:45,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: well, yung sakin lang,

5282
06:43:45,900 --> 06:43:47,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we have to look at the indicators.

5283
06:43:48,560 --> 06:43:51,900
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Is our economy already in its full capacity?

5284
06:43:52,560 --> 06:43:53,800
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Given the current rate,

5285
06:43:53,860 --> 06:43:54,340
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I believe,

5286
06:43:55,800 --> 06:43:58,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: mahirap nang tumaas pa yan.

5287
06:43:58,700 --> 06:43:59,660
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And it will go down,

5288
06:43:59,780 --> 06:44:00,720
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: given the current state.

5289
06:44:01,280 --> 06:44:03,020
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We're also looking at 2028.

5290
06:44:03,940 --> 06:44:05,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Anong ibig ko sabihin sa 2028?

5291
06:44:06,060 --> 06:44:08,240
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's an election year.

5292
06:44:09,380 --> 06:44:10,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Investors,

5293
06:44:10,180 --> 06:44:11,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: both foreign and local,

5294
06:44:12,820 --> 06:44:13,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: usually,

5295
06:44:13,800 --> 06:44:15,620
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: they hold on investments.

5296
06:44:15,920 --> 06:44:17,640
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil, because of political uncertainty.

5297
06:44:18,220 --> 06:44:19,620
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: That is also something that we

5298
06:44:19,620 --> 06:44:21,060
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: have to consider.

5299
06:44:21,880 --> 06:44:23,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madali magtaas nang magtaas ng budget

5300
06:44:23,980 --> 06:44:26,060
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pagka hindi natin pera yung ginagamit.

5301
06:44:26,920 --> 06:44:28,320
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Like in a company,

5302
06:44:28,400 --> 06:44:29,260
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: when you run a company,

5303
06:44:29,780 --> 06:44:32,960
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: you don't just like approve a huge budget

5304
06:44:32,960 --> 06:44:34,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if you know that it cannot be sustained.

5305
06:44:34,940 --> 06:44:35,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi ang nararamdaman,

5306
06:44:36,060 --> 06:44:40,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we have to look at the state of our economy.

5307
06:44:40,440 --> 06:44:41,640
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's already, as I mentioned,

5308
06:44:41,860 --> 06:44:42,600
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: full capacity.

5309
06:44:43,880 --> 06:44:44,040
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now,

5310
06:44:45,080 --> 06:44:46,040
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ang problema rin,

5311
06:44:47,380 --> 06:44:48,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: as we all know,

5312
06:44:48,160 --> 06:44:49,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: excess spending drives up inflation.

5313
06:44:52,420 --> 06:44:52,620
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So,

5314
06:44:53,240 --> 06:44:56,300
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: kagaya ng sinabi ni Sheck Balizakan,

5315
06:44:56,440 --> 06:44:56,820
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: alam mo naman,

5316
06:44:57,240 --> 06:44:59,700
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ang economy natin is consumption driven.

5317
06:45:00,000 --> 06:45:03,700
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's not money coming from external sources.

5318
06:45:03,980 --> 06:45:07,100
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's everyone's money just going around.

5319
06:45:07,780 --> 06:45:10,740
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, well, these are my concerns.

5320
06:45:11,160 --> 06:45:18,480
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Dahil, which, because I would want to see more of the money that we approve

5321
06:45:18,480 --> 06:45:25,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: be used in programs and projects which would pump prime the economy.

5322
06:45:25,780 --> 06:45:32,400
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi dito sa 7.2 trillion, how much is actually available to pump prime the economy?

5323
06:45:33,380 --> 06:45:36,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And what specific projects ang pupuntahan nito?

5324
06:45:37,520 --> 06:45:42,300
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Because kagaya yung mga projects which are supposed to pump prime the economy,

5325
06:45:42,700 --> 06:45:46,120
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: North to South Railway, dapat natapos na pero hindi.

5326
06:45:47,000 --> 06:45:52,940
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Subway natin, tinanggalan natin yan ng, nilagay natin sa amprogram what was already there.

5327
06:45:52,940 --> 06:45:55,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And, ako, saan nilagay?

5328
06:45:55,780 --> 06:45:56,900
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Nilagay sa ayuda.

5329
06:45:57,960 --> 06:46:00,520
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But, it does not pump prime the economy.

5330
06:46:01,500 --> 06:46:04,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, for 2027, saan natin dadalhin?

5331
06:46:05,000 --> 06:46:11,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For 2027 po, for pump priming the economy, we will rely mostly on capital outlay po

5332
06:46:11,660 --> 06:46:12,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and infrastructure spending.

5333
06:46:13,080 --> 06:46:20,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, as a proportion of the NEP po, we're looking at 1.16 trillion pesos

5334
06:46:20,480 --> 06:46:23,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which accounts for 16.1% of the NEP.

5335
06:46:23,580 --> 06:46:25,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In terms of specific...

5336
06:46:25,780 --> 06:46:33,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: specific projects, medyo malalaki po, but I'll just cite yung mga big-ticket items po.

5337
06:46:33,780 --> 06:46:40,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, we're looking at North-South Commuter Railway at 123.8 billion,

5338
06:46:40,780 --> 06:46:44,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Metro Manila Subway Project at 67.4 billion,

5339
06:46:44,780 --> 06:46:53,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the bridge program within DPWH, the Bataan-Cavite Interlink Bridge at 22 billion,

5340
06:46:53,780 --> 06:46:55,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Cebu-Bactan Bridge at 8 billion,

5341
06:46:55,780 --> 06:47:00,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Metro Manila Priority Bridges for 3.7 billion.

5342
06:47:00,780 --> 06:47:03,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There's also, under the Network Development Program po,

5343
06:47:03,780 --> 06:47:10,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: several projects that would total 52 billion.

5344
06:47:10,780 --> 06:47:15,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And meron din po ang flood management program na FAPs po

5345
06:47:15,780 --> 06:47:22,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: at totaling 17 billion pesos po.

5346
06:47:22,780 --> 06:47:24,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, ito po yung mga big-ticket items that we hope to see.

5347
06:47:25,780 --> 06:47:28,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, that would pump prime the economy.

5348
06:47:28,780 --> 06:47:33,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: You mentioned the 16.1% of the budget.

5349
06:47:33,780 --> 06:47:36,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Ito, well, actually, yung computation would be,

5350
06:47:36,780 --> 06:47:43,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if I'm correct, is 7.2 trillion minus the 6.40 trillion

5351
06:47:43,780 --> 06:47:49,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that leaves us with yung 1.16 trillion for capital outlay.

5352
06:47:49,780 --> 06:47:53,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Pero pagtitignan mo, that's just, it just translates to

5353
06:47:53,780 --> 06:47:56,040
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 16 centavos for every

5354
06:47:56,040 --> 06:47:57,240
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: peso that goes into

5355
06:47:57,240 --> 06:47:58,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: capital

5356
06:47:58,580 --> 06:48:01,620
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: assets, which is

5357
06:48:01,620 --> 06:48:04,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: also very small. Pag tinignan mo

5358
06:48:04,220 --> 06:48:05,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: rin yung portion of the budget

5359
06:48:05,980 --> 06:48:07,620
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that goes into debt servicing,

5360
06:48:08,800 --> 06:48:09,360
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: for every

5361
06:48:09,360 --> 06:48:11,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 6 pesos, 1 peso

5362
06:48:11,980 --> 06:48:14,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: goes to debt servicing. So,

5363
06:48:14,060 --> 06:48:15,920
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: roughly 12 centavos

5364
06:48:15,920 --> 06:48:16,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: of

5365
06:48:16,280 --> 06:48:19,620
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: every peso goes to it.

5366
06:48:20,480 --> 06:48:20,600
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So,

5367
06:48:23,140 --> 06:48:23,340
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: well,

5368
06:48:23,780 --> 06:48:27,260
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: yung

5369
06:48:27,260 --> 06:48:29,700
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we're using the North to South

5370
06:48:29,700 --> 06:48:31,720
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Railway to

5371
06:48:31,720 --> 06:48:33,660
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: justify that it will

5372
06:48:33,660 --> 06:48:34,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pump prime economy.

5373
06:48:36,200 --> 06:48:37,720
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But the North to South Railway

5374
06:48:37,720 --> 06:48:39,800
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: cannot be

5375
06:48:39,800 --> 06:48:41,520
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: utilized until, I think,

5376
06:48:41,600 --> 06:48:43,100
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2032.

5377
06:48:43,600 --> 06:48:45,120
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We're talking about

5378
06:48:45,120 --> 06:48:46,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2027.

5379
06:48:48,100 --> 06:48:48,940
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Even the subway

5380
06:48:48,940 --> 06:48:51,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is not meant to

5381
06:48:51,220 --> 06:48:52,640
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to,

5382
06:48:52,640 --> 06:48:54,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: we won't be able to utilize

5383
06:48:54,780 --> 06:48:57,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: it for 2027.

5384
06:48:57,520 --> 06:49:01,020
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, ano talaga yung

5385
06:49:01,020 --> 06:49:02,160
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: what will

5386
06:49:02,160 --> 06:49:05,140
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pump prime the economy? Not all roads

5387
06:49:05,140 --> 06:49:06,680
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: built

5388
06:49:06,680 --> 06:49:08,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: translates to

5389
06:49:08,760 --> 06:49:12,960
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: a share in the economic

5390
06:49:12,960 --> 06:49:14,960
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: recovery. It doesn't

5391
06:49:14,960 --> 06:49:15,340
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: follow.

5392
06:49:17,220 --> 06:49:18,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Taka gumawa ka ng kalsada going to

5393
06:49:18,980 --> 06:49:20,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nowhere, then it doesn't contribute

5394
06:49:20,980 --> 06:49:21,560
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to anything.

5395
06:49:22,640 --> 06:49:24,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my distinguished

5396
06:49:24,600 --> 06:49:26,800
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: colleague, in the cases kasi po

5397
06:49:26,800 --> 06:49:28,540
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: of big infrastructure projects,

5398
06:49:29,060 --> 06:49:30,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: malaki po yung economic multiplier

5399
06:49:30,920 --> 06:49:32,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: niya in terms of, one,

5400
06:49:32,600 --> 06:49:34,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the jobs generated,

5401
06:49:35,500 --> 06:49:36,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: and then, particularly

5402
06:49:36,680 --> 06:49:38,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: po for North-South

5403
06:49:38,180 --> 06:49:40,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Commuter Railway, the goal po is to

5404
06:49:40,680 --> 06:49:42,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: have partial operability by

5405
06:49:42,600 --> 06:49:44,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: end of 2027. So,

5406
06:49:44,880 --> 06:49:46,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: mag-open na po yung mga

5407
06:49:46,460 --> 06:49:48,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: segments, ito po mga big ticket

5408
06:49:48,600 --> 06:49:50,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: projects na ito. So, malaki po yung

5409
06:49:50,480 --> 06:49:51,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: maitutulong niya in terms of

5410
06:49:51,840 --> 06:49:53,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: transportation and

5411
06:49:53,920 --> 06:49:56,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: being able to spur growth in the

5412
06:49:56,440 --> 06:49:58,460
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: adjacent areas to Metro Manila.

5413
06:49:58,800 --> 06:50:00,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Speaker,

5414
06:50:00,400 --> 06:50:02,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: good sponsor. Actually,

5415
06:50:02,580 --> 06:50:04,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: during the DOTR

5416
06:50:04,220 --> 06:50:06,200
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: budget consultation,

5417
06:50:06,500 --> 06:50:08,120
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: when I asked them kung

5418
06:50:08,120 --> 06:50:10,360
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: kailan mapapanda, it was not

5419
06:50:10,360 --> 06:50:12,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2027. They were hopeful

5420
06:50:12,760 --> 06:50:13,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: na

5421
06:50:13,860 --> 06:50:16,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: best case scenario, maaring

5422
06:50:16,540 --> 06:50:18,200
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2028, but

5423
06:50:18,200 --> 06:50:19,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: not 2027.

5424
06:50:21,200 --> 06:50:21,800
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Which,

5425
06:50:21,840 --> 06:50:22,160
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: which is,

5426
06:50:22,940 --> 06:50:25,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: well, points to consider.

5427
06:50:26,720 --> 06:50:26,840
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But,

5428
06:50:30,360 --> 06:50:31,700
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: yung sakin lang is,

5429
06:50:32,420 --> 06:50:34,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: even to

5430
06:50:34,080 --> 06:50:35,300
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the economic managers,

5431
06:50:35,920 --> 06:50:36,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: question of,

5432
06:50:38,000 --> 06:50:40,120
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: can the economy realistically

5433
06:50:40,120 --> 06:50:42,120
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: carry

5434
06:50:42,120 --> 06:50:42,840
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: this budget?

5435
06:50:43,520 --> 06:50:45,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I think we owe it to the Filipino

5436
06:50:45,880 --> 06:50:47,900
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: people to ask this very

5437
06:50:47,900 --> 06:50:49,920
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: question. Kaya ba

5438
06:50:49,920 --> 06:50:50,940
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: talagang i-sustain?

5439
06:50:51,840 --> 06:50:53,840
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: O, ang gagawin lang natin

5440
06:50:53,840 --> 06:50:56,460
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: next year, mangungutang na naman tayong

5441
06:50:56,460 --> 06:50:57,820
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: mas malaki because we have to

5442
06:50:57,820 --> 06:50:59,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: service more debt.

5443
06:51:01,080 --> 06:51:01,920
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And then,

5444
06:51:02,500 --> 06:51:04,260
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: malulunod lang tayo sa utang.

5445
06:51:05,100 --> 06:51:06,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Why is it my concern?

5446
06:51:07,720 --> 06:51:08,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: For 2027,

5447
06:51:09,240 --> 06:51:09,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the government,

5448
06:51:10,280 --> 06:51:12,340
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: the government's fiscal program

5449
06:51:12,340 --> 06:51:13,240
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: on recovery

5450
06:51:13,240 --> 06:51:16,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: pegged GDP growth

5451
06:51:16,540 --> 06:51:18,240
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: at 5 to 6 percent.

5452
06:51:19,920 --> 06:51:21,680
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And 4 to 5

5453
06:51:21,680 --> 06:51:23,680
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: percent inflation. We all know

5454
06:51:23,680 --> 06:51:25,720
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that will not happen. Inflation will

5455
06:51:25,720 --> 06:51:26,740
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: shoot up next year.

5456
06:51:28,420 --> 06:51:29,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: GDP will not go up

5457
06:51:29,880 --> 06:51:31,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: next year.

5458
06:51:31,420 --> 06:51:33,320
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Ngayon pa lang, nararamdaman na nang

5459
06:51:33,320 --> 06:51:35,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: if you talk to big

5460
06:51:35,180 --> 06:51:37,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: or big,

5461
06:51:37,360 --> 06:51:39,560
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: well, the big businessmen in our

5462
06:51:39,560 --> 06:51:41,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: country, lahat

5463
06:51:41,580 --> 06:51:43,560
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: sila ify

5464
06:51:43,560 --> 06:51:45,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to add new investments.

5465
06:51:46,440 --> 06:51:46,600
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So,

5466
06:51:47,860 --> 06:51:49,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: parang hopeful yung target

5467
06:51:49,420 --> 06:51:51,440
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: natin. Given

5468
06:51:51,440 --> 06:51:53,300
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: that for the second quarter of

5469
06:51:53,300 --> 06:51:55,500
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2026, real GDP growth

5470
06:51:55,500 --> 06:51:56,940
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: was 2.3 percent.

5471
06:51:58,020 --> 06:51:58,920
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: August inflation,

5472
06:51:59,160 --> 06:52:01,520
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 6.1 percent as I stated.

5473
06:52:02,420 --> 06:52:03,520
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Second quarter of

5474
06:52:03,520 --> 06:52:05,480
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: gross capital formation was

5475
06:52:05,480 --> 06:52:07,400
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: negative 9.2 percent.

5476
06:52:08,540 --> 06:52:09,680
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Foreign direct investment

5477
06:52:09,680 --> 06:52:11,380
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: fell

5478
06:52:11,380 --> 06:52:12,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: to 3.3

5479
06:52:12,780 --> 06:52:15,680
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: billion dollars.

5480
06:52:16,680 --> 06:52:17,560
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Debt to GDP,

5481
06:52:18,360 --> 06:52:19,400
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 66 percent.

5482
06:52:20,280 --> 06:52:20,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Ah, yes.

5483
06:52:21,440 --> 06:52:22,320
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: In

5484
06:52:22,320 --> 06:52:26,060
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: outstanding debt,

5485
06:52:26,740 --> 06:52:28,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 19.39 trillion.

5486
06:52:29,660 --> 06:52:31,220
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now, kung rosy yung

5487
06:52:31,220 --> 06:52:32,700
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: outlook nyo, given this

5488
06:52:32,700 --> 06:52:33,360
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: economic

5489
06:52:33,360 --> 06:52:36,380
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: backdrop,

5490
06:52:37,980 --> 06:52:38,940
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: may problema tayo.

5491
06:53:19,320 --> 06:53:29,820
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my distinguished colleague, if we would look at the growth in the budget from 2026 to 2027,

5492
06:53:30,820 --> 06:53:37,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: while in nominal terms, nag-increase po siya by 6%, in real terms po, hindi siya nag-increase.

5493
06:53:37,040 --> 06:53:43,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So actually, hindi po na siya in-increase because of the current situation.

5494
06:53:43,120 --> 06:53:53,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But looking at the debt projections po, if we look at the general government debt to GDP projections from 2026 to 2030,

5495
06:53:54,080 --> 06:53:58,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which we can use as an indicator of the sustainability of our debt levels,

5496
06:53:58,380 --> 06:54:13,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the goal po is for it to reduce from 58.6% to 56.1%, which is below the 70% benchmark po for the general government debt to GDP ratio.

5497
06:54:13,120 --> 06:54:19,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the goal po is little by little through fiscal consolidation and quality spending,

5498
06:54:20,120 --> 06:54:27,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: which would hopefully spur growth, we'll be able to bridge the deficit po and make sure the debt is sustainable.

5499
06:54:27,920 --> 06:54:39,340
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Well, yung sustainability of our national debt, maaaring nating tanggapin yung binigay mo, Madam Chair.

5500
06:54:40,340 --> 06:54:42,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: If ang binabangga natin,

5501
06:54:43,120 --> 06:54:48,600
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: is yung debt servicing vis-a-vis na 7.2 national budget.

5502
06:54:49,800 --> 06:54:54,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But if we, pero dapat ibangga natin yung debt servicing natin dun sa ano eh,

5503
06:54:55,460 --> 06:55:06,160
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: sa projected revenues na 5.2%, dahil hindi naman nakakadagdag sa ekonomiya natin yung mga ibang kinargahan nung ano eh,

5504
06:55:06,160 --> 06:55:09,160
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nung 7.2 eh, lalo na yung...

5505
06:55:10,840 --> 06:55:12,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, lalampas ka nung ano eh.

5506
06:55:13,120 --> 06:55:16,880
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Lalampas ka sa 30% to 40% na acceptable eh.

5507
06:55:31,180 --> 06:55:37,760
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Because interest now, interest payment consumes a bigger share of the revenue.

5508
06:55:39,360 --> 06:55:42,260
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Pagka umapak ng 30% to 40%, then...

5509
06:55:43,120 --> 06:55:45,460
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: It's a, it's a red flag.

5510
06:55:56,300 --> 06:55:56,360
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Thank you.

5511
06:56:13,120 --> 06:56:27,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, my distinguished colleague, the goal is to make sure that the borrowings go towards quality spending such that it can expand production capacity.

5512
06:56:27,340 --> 06:56:37,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Kasi po, speaking to DOF, it looks like we won't be able to generate revenues as much given the current parameters.

5513
06:56:37,560 --> 06:56:43,100
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So talaga pong we will have to rely on us being able to expand our production capacity.

5514
06:56:43,100 --> 06:56:48,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Through quality spending of whichever we're borrowing at the moment.

5515
06:56:48,320 --> 06:56:54,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I understand. That's why I've been asking kung ano yung quality spending na yun eh.

5516
06:56:55,140 --> 06:56:59,460
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Because I was looking for it dun sa HGAB natin.

5517
06:57:00,500 --> 06:57:10,360
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And hindi ko talaga mahanap yung punto na yun eh.

5518
06:57:10,360 --> 06:57:12,360
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: We have to understand that the 2027 budget assumes...

5519
06:57:13,100 --> 06:57:16,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: A fairly significant economic rebound.

5520
06:57:16,260 --> 06:57:23,360
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kaya nga, 7.2 trillion yung hinihingi, ang prinupose.

5521
06:57:23,860 --> 06:57:27,300
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And kaya nga, sinasabi ngayon na kaya natin gawin yun.

5522
06:57:27,900 --> 06:57:39,140
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Now assuming if the economy grows only 2 to 3%, rather than the 5 to 6%, which is projected, ano mangyayari sa atin?

5523
06:57:39,140 --> 06:57:42,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kunyari mag-maintain tayo for next year, 2027.

5524
06:57:43,100 --> 06:57:46,920
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2 to 3% lang ang growth rate natin.

5525
06:57:47,060 --> 06:57:52,180
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Not the 5 to 6% which is projected to support the 7.2 trillion budget.

5526
06:57:53,300 --> 06:57:54,960
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Three things will happen.

5527
06:57:56,360 --> 06:57:59,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Kasi three things becomes increasingly difficult.

5528
06:57:59,580 --> 06:58:09,900
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Simultaneously hitting the 5.2 trillion in revenues, reducing the deficit to GDP ratio, and preventing the debt ratio from increasing further.

5529
06:58:10,260 --> 06:58:12,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Ang magiging choice lang ng gobyerno,

5530
06:58:13,100 --> 06:58:14,640
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Chair, good sponsor,

5531
06:58:15,900 --> 06:58:18,580
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: paka nangyari yan, paka 2 to 3% lang tayo,

5532
06:58:18,680 --> 06:58:23,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: ang magiging choice lang ng gobyerno is to borrow more money for 2028,

5533
06:58:24,660 --> 06:58:27,960
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: raise additional revenues from taxes,

5534
06:58:30,200 --> 06:58:31,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: reduce expenditures,

5535
06:58:31,760 --> 06:58:36,860
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: or i-delay natin o i-hold yung mga appropriated spending.

5536
06:58:38,540 --> 06:58:41,080
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: That's the only way that you would be able to control it.

5537
06:58:42,500 --> 06:58:42,980
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But...

5538
06:58:43,100 --> 06:58:45,140
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Would that be feasible?

5539
06:58:46,140 --> 06:58:47,720
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Well, Madam Chair, good sponsor,

5540
06:58:48,720 --> 06:58:51,520
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: I just want to remind everyone that

5541
06:58:51,520 --> 06:58:58,820
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: on the part of debt, foreign debt, or our national debt,

5542
06:59:00,960 --> 06:59:10,060
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: debt sustainability increasingly depends on government converting borrowed money into productive

5543
06:59:10,060 --> 06:59:11,060
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: income.

5544
06:59:13,100 --> 06:59:16,140
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So, that's the only way that you would be able to control it.

5545
06:59:16,240 --> 06:59:18,040
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: But if we do not do it,

5546
06:59:18,860 --> 06:59:22,780
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: nga gastusin lang natin for recurring expenditures, kagaya pagkatinignan mo,

5547
06:59:23,340 --> 06:59:24,820
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: dito sa 7.2 trillion,

5548
06:59:25,280 --> 06:59:26,420
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: tignan natin yung breakdown.

5549
06:59:26,900 --> 06:59:31,020
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 1.982 trillion is for personal services,

5550
06:59:31,860 --> 06:59:34,940
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 2.944 trillion is for MOUE,

5551
06:59:36,060 --> 06:59:41,700
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: 1.114 trillion is for interest and financial expenses.

5552
06:59:41,700 --> 06:59:42,000
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: So,

5553
06:59:42,000 --> 06:59:45,640
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: as correctly pointed out by Chair Mica,

5554
06:59:45,960 --> 06:59:51,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: what is left is 1.160 trillion for capital expenditure.

5555
06:59:51,540 --> 06:59:59,540
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: And if that 1.160 trillion is not allocated properly for projects that will prime our economy...

5556
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:03,540
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Representative Suntay, can you wrap up?

5557
07:00:03,840 --> 07:00:11,120
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Thank you. Madam Speaker, as I mentioned, pinagsama-sama na natin ito na 30 minutes each.

5558
07:00:11,120 --> 07:00:20,280
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Yung sa DepDev, saka sa DBM, yung unang 30 minutes ko tapos na. Isang oras na lang ang matitira.

5559
07:00:22,260 --> 07:00:25,380
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Madam Chair, good sponsor. Maraming maraming salamat to.

5560
07:00:25,380 --> 07:00:46,640
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: As I mentioned, I just needed to point this out because it is truly a cause for concern dahil kawawa naman yung susunod na henerasyon pagka palaki lang ng palaki yung utang at hindi naman natin kayang bayaran na o hindi kayang isustain ng ating ekonomiya.

5561
07:00:47,200 --> 07:00:47,920
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Thank you very much.

5562
07:00:47,920 --> 07:00:48,840
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Honorable Suntay.

5563
07:00:48,840 --> 07:00:51,520
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Quick response lang po, Madam Speaker. Very quick lang po.

5564
07:00:51,720 --> 07:00:55,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, it's really going to be a combination of qualities.

5565
07:00:55,380 --> 07:01:05,760
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Depending on infrastructure projects and other items with economic multipliers and at the same time po, high economic multipliers and at the same time po, investments in human capital development.

5566
07:01:06,040 --> 07:01:14,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hopefully po, the combination of both would help expand our production capacity and spur economic growth and hopefully that would help narrow down the deficit.

5567
07:01:14,920 --> 07:01:20,000
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But we recognize the points raised by the Honorable Bong Suntay. Maraming maraming salamat po.

5568
07:01:20,000 --> 07:01:21,160
Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay: Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

5569
07:01:23,460 --> 07:01:24,240
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5570
07:01:24,440 --> 07:01:25,360
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to

5571
07:01:25,380 --> 07:01:28,980
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: recognize the Honorable Sergio Dagooc.

5572
07:01:30,560 --> 07:01:32,600
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none.

5573
07:01:33,180 --> 07:01:34,820
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Honorable Dagoog is recognized.

5574
07:01:35,880 --> 07:01:37,020
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

5575
07:01:37,560 --> 07:01:38,600
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Majority Leader.

5576
07:01:39,120 --> 07:01:46,060
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Madam Speaker, there being no other members from the minority who wish to interpellate,

5577
07:01:46,060 --> 07:01:55,060
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I move to terminate the interpellation of the general principles

5578
07:01:55,380 --> 07:02:06,860
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: and provisions of House Bill 10858.

5579
07:02:06,860 --> 07:02:08,820
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I so move, Madam Speaker.

5580
07:02:09,100 --> 07:02:11,580
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: What does the House say?

5581
07:02:12,440 --> 07:02:13,640
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, on the part of the majority, we join the

5582
07:02:13,640 --> 07:02:19,800
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: minority in the motion to terminate the debate of general principles and provisions.

5583
07:02:21,700 --> 07:02:27,800
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: There is a joint motion to terminate the debate on general principles and provisions.

5584
07:02:27,840 --> 07:02:29,120
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection?

5585
07:02:30,200 --> 07:02:31,280
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The chair hears none.

5586
07:02:31,460 --> 07:02:33,820
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The interpellation and debate is now terminated.

5587
07:02:34,700 --> 07:02:35,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

5588
07:02:40,720 --> 07:02:43,240
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to suspend consideration

5589
07:02:43,240 --> 07:02:45,240
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of House Bill No. 10858.

5590
07:02:58,600 --> 07:03:00,420
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Consideration of House Bill

5591
07:03:00,420 --> 07:03:03,740
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: No. 10858

5592
07:03:03,740 --> 07:03:06,600
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: is hereby suspended.

5593
07:03:10,460 --> 07:03:11,300
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5594
07:03:11,380 --> 07:03:14,320
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move that we take up additional reference of business

5595
07:03:14,320 --> 07:03:16,300
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and request the Secretary General

5596
07:03:16,300 --> 07:03:17,660
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to read the title of the bills

5597
07:03:17,660 --> 07:03:19,660
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and resolutions on first reading

5598
07:03:19,660 --> 07:03:21,920
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: as well as communications and committee reports.

5599
07:03:22,200 --> 07:03:23,980
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The Secretary is directed

5600
07:03:23,980 --> 07:03:25,360
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: to read the title of the bill.

5601
07:03:25,380 --> 07:03:29,100
Secretary-General: Additional reference of business.

5602
07:03:29,700 --> 07:03:30,860
Secretary-General: Message from the Senate.

5603
07:03:31,640 --> 07:03:32,540
Secretary-General: Message dated

5604
07:03:32,540 --> 07:03:35,120
Secretary-General: September 14, 2026

5605
07:03:35,120 --> 07:03:37,500
Secretary-General: informing the House that on an even date

5606
07:03:37,500 --> 07:03:39,920
Secretary-General: the Senate passed the following Senate bills

5607
07:03:39,920 --> 07:03:41,800
Secretary-General: in which it requests

5608
07:03:41,800 --> 07:03:43,220
Secretary-General: the concurrence of the House.

5609
07:03:43,840 --> 07:03:45,840
Secretary-General: Senate Bill 2272

5610
07:03:45,840 --> 07:03:47,520
Secretary-General: on the proposed Expanded National

5611
07:03:47,520 --> 07:03:48,980
Secretary-General: Nutrition Program Act.

5612
07:03:50,000 --> 07:03:51,680
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: To the Committee on Basic Education

5613
07:03:51,680 --> 07:03:52,240
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: and Culture.

5614
07:03:53,240 --> 07:03:54,360
Secretary-General: Senate Bill

5615
07:03:54,360 --> 07:03:55,240
Secretary-General: 1926

5616
07:03:55,380 --> 07:03:57,000
Secretary-General: on the proposed

5617
07:03:57,000 --> 07:03:58,640
Secretary-General: Child Tourist Safety Act

5618
07:03:58,640 --> 07:03:59,900
Secretary-General: or Sandys Act.

5619
07:04:00,540 --> 07:04:01,900
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: To the Committee on Tourism.

5620
07:04:03,020 --> 07:04:05,060
Secretary-General: Senate Bill 2421

5621
07:04:05,060 --> 07:04:06,620
Secretary-General: on the proposed adequate

5622
07:04:06,620 --> 07:04:08,420
Secretary-General: and decent housing through

5623
07:04:08,420 --> 07:04:10,360
Secretary-General: [unclear] Act.

5624
07:04:10,940 --> 07:04:13,540
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: To the Committee on Housing and Urban Development.

5625
07:04:14,540 --> 07:04:15,180
Secretary-General: Senate Bill

5626
07:04:15,180 --> 07:04:16,060
Secretary-General: 2387

5627
07:04:16,060 --> 07:04:19,220
Secretary-General: fixing the term of Office of Barangay Officials

5628
07:04:19,220 --> 07:04:21,120
Secretary-General: and Members of the Sangudinang Kabataan

5629
07:04:21,120 --> 07:04:22,340
Secretary-General: to five years

5630
07:04:22,340 --> 07:04:24,340
Secretary-General: amending Republic Act No. 12232

5631
07:04:25,380 --> 07:04:27,880
Secretary-General: or an Act setting the term of Office

5632
07:04:27,880 --> 07:04:31,080
Secretary-General: of Barangay Officials and Members of the Sangudinang Kabataan

5633
07:04:31,080 --> 07:04:32,080
Secretary-General: and for other purposes.

5634
07:04:33,080 --> 07:04:34,640
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: To the Committee on Local Government.

5635
07:04:35,980 --> 07:04:36,920
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5636
07:04:39,000 --> 07:04:40,080
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker,

5637
07:04:40,840 --> 07:04:43,200
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: in accordance with the rules governing inquiries

5638
07:04:43,200 --> 07:04:44,360
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: in aid of legislation,

5639
07:04:45,040 --> 07:04:47,280
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: I move to refer the following House resolutions

5640
07:04:47,280 --> 07:04:48,680
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the appropriate committees.

5641
07:04:49,340 --> 07:04:51,160
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: House Resolution 1429

5642
07:04:51,160 --> 07:04:53,040
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committees on Energy,

5643
07:04:53,340 --> 07:04:54,960
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Visayas Development,

5644
07:04:55,380 --> 07:04:56,080
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and Legislative Franchises.

5645
07:04:56,640 --> 07:04:59,240
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: House Resolution 1430

5646
07:04:59,240 --> 07:05:00,960
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committees on Energy,

5647
07:05:01,340 --> 07:05:03,700
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Visayas Development and Legislative Franchises.

5648
07:05:03,760 --> 07:05:08,160
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: And House Resolution 1439

5649
07:05:08,160 --> 07:05:09,880
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committees on Energy,

5650
07:05:10,100 --> 07:05:11,980
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Visayas Development,

5651
07:05:12,040 --> 07:05:12,640
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and Legislative Franchises.

5652
07:05:14,120 --> 07:05:15,600
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection?

5653
07:05:16,200 --> 07:05:17,720
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Hearing none, the motion is approved.

5654
07:05:18,840 --> 07:05:19,600
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5655
07:05:19,680 --> 07:05:22,340
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move for the change of referral

5656
07:05:22,340 --> 07:05:25,000
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: of House Resolutions Nos.

5657
07:05:25,000 --> 07:05:25,360
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: 1024,

5658
07:05:25,380 --> 07:05:26,000
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: 1031

5659
07:05:26,000 --> 07:05:28,900
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and 1114.

5660
07:05:30,020 --> 07:05:32,840
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: From the Committees on Energy and Legislative Franchises

5661
07:05:32,840 --> 07:05:35,880
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: to the Committees on Energy, Visayas Development

5662
07:05:35,880 --> 07:05:37,700
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: and Legislative Franchises.

5663
07:05:37,700 --> 07:05:39,760
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none.

5664
07:05:40,680 --> 07:05:41,440
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Motion is approved.

5665
07:05:42,120 --> 07:05:44,200
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: Madam Speaker, I move to suspend session

5666
07:05:44,200 --> 07:05:45,040
Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.: for a few minutes.

5667
07:05:45,600 --> 07:05:46,380
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Motion suspended.

5668
07:23:51,500 --> 07:23:59,980
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move that we resume consideration of House Bill No. 10858, and for this purpose request the Secretary General to read the title of the bill.

5669
07:24:00,000 --> 07:24:03,960
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The Secretary General is directed to read the title of the bill.

5670
07:24:05,280 --> 07:24:18,860
Secretary-General: House Bill 10858, An Act Appropriating Funds for the Operation of the Government of the Republic of the Philippines from January 1 to December 31, 2027.

5671
07:24:20,360 --> 07:24:21,420
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5672
07:24:21,660 --> 07:24:28,100
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, the parliamentary status of the bill is that we are in the period of sponsorship and debate.

5673
07:24:28,100 --> 07:24:34,620
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move to consider the proposed budget of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

5674
07:24:39,540 --> 07:24:49,660
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: We consider the proposed budget of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

5675
07:24:51,520 --> 07:24:52,600
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5676
07:24:53,060 --> 07:24:56,200
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Including the attached agency.

5677
07:25:10,440 --> 07:25:11,060
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5678
07:25:11,060 --> 07:25:19,120
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, may we acknowledge the heads and officials of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

5679
07:25:19,380 --> 07:25:27,820
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Secretary Arsenio Balisacan, Usec Rosemarie Edillon, Usec Dennis Mapa, Usec Joseph Capuno,

5680
07:25:28,100 --> 07:25:38,780
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Usec Melbourne Ziro Pana, Usec Glenda Rumohr, Asec Reynaldo Cancio, Asec Roderick Planta, Asec Agnes Tolentino,

5681
07:25:38,780 --> 07:25:46,780
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Executive Director Lisa Grace Bersales, Senior VP Magdalena Mendoza, President Philip Arnold Tuanyo,

5682
07:25:48,220 --> 07:25:59,500
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Executive Director Donald James Gaue, Executive Director Josefina Almeda, Chairperson Mary Lou Mendoza, and Deputy Executive Director Eleazer E. Ricote.

5683
07:26:00,500 --> 07:26:07,500
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: We acknowledge the presence of the heads and officials from the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

5684
07:26:07,760 --> 07:26:09,740
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Welcome to the House of Representatives.

5685
07:26:10,260 --> 07:26:10,920
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5686
07:26:11,800 --> 07:26:15,300
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move that we open the period of sponsorship and debate.

5687
07:26:17,300 --> 07:26:18,220
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection?

5688
07:26:19,060 --> 07:26:20,980
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Hearing none, motion is approved.

5689
07:26:24,180 --> 07:26:25,060
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5690
07:26:25,060 --> 07:26:27,060
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the

5691
07:26:28,100 --> 07:26:39,100
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Honorable Bella Vanessa Suansing, Vice Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations, to sponsor the proposed budget of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

5692
07:26:40,260 --> 07:26:48,260
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Representative Bella Suansing, Vice Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations, is hereby recognized.

5693
07:26:48,260 --> 07:26:50,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

5694
07:26:51,260 --> 07:26:57,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, distinguished colleagues, this representation has the great privilege of sponsoring the proposed budget

5695
07:26:57,260 --> 07:26:57,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

5696
07:26:57,860 --> 07:27:09,100
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The Department of Economy, Planning, and Development, or DepDev, and its attached agencies for fiscal year 2027, amounting to 18.474 billion pesos.

5697
07:27:09,100 --> 07:27:27,100
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As a primary policy, planning, coordinating, and monitoring arm of the national government, DEPDev has continually assured the formulation of policies that pursue the objectives of the Philippine Development Plan 2023?2028

5698
07:27:27,860 --> 07:27:28,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to shepherd economic

5699
07:27:28,860 --> 07:27:37,900
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and social transformation through productive and strategic investments in the country?s social and economic sectors.

5700
07:27:38,860 --> 07:27:42,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: At a time when our country faces external headwinds that raise challenges to each segment of Philippine society,

5701
07:27:42,140 --> 07:27:46,440
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it is incumbent upon our government and this Congress

5702
07:27:46,440 --> 07:27:54,460
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to assure the continued operations of DEPDev in pursuit of its mandate

5703
07:27:55,340 --> 07:27:55,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to facilitate policies that encourage local investment,

5704
07:27:57,140 --> 07:27:59,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: coordinate

5705
07:27:59,260 --> 07:28:01,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the vertical and horizontal alignment

5706
07:28:01,380 --> 07:28:03,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and coherence of national and

5707
07:28:03,180 --> 07:28:05,360
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: subnational policies, plans, and programs,

5708
07:28:06,020 --> 07:28:07,500
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and to generate impartial,

5709
07:28:08,620 --> 07:28:09,280
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: objective, and

5710
07:28:09,280 --> 07:28:11,460
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: evidence-based policy analysis and recommendations.

5711
07:28:12,680 --> 07:28:13,280
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It is then

5712
07:28:13,280 --> 07:28:14,900
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the humble appeal of this representation

5713
07:28:14,900 --> 07:28:17,040
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for this Chamber to support the immediate

5714
07:28:17,040 --> 07:28:18,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: passage of the proposed fiscal year

5715
07:28:18,800 --> 07:28:21,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 2027 budget of the Department of

5716
07:28:21,000 --> 07:28:22,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Economy, Planning, and Development.

5717
07:28:23,380 --> 07:28:25,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: This representation is ready

5718
07:28:25,120 --> 07:28:27,040
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to answer questions and look forward to

5719
07:28:27,040 --> 07:28:29,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: very productive discussions.

5720
07:28:30,360 --> 07:28:31,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

5721
07:28:31,900 --> 07:28:32,700
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Majority Leader.

5722
07:28:33,360 --> 07:28:35,040
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Madam Speaker, I move that we

5723
07:28:35,040 --> 07:28:37,020
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: recognize the Honorable J.C.

5724
07:28:37,100 --> 07:28:38,520
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: Abalos of the

5725
07:28:38,520 --> 07:28:40,920
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: 4Ps Party-list to interpellate

5726
07:28:40,920 --> 07:28:43,000
Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu: on the proposed budget of DEPDev.

5727
07:28:43,740 --> 07:28:45,340
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Is there any objection? Hearing none.

5728
07:28:45,340 --> 07:28:47,700
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Representative Abalos is recognized.

5729
07:28:48,600 --> 07:28:49,220
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker,

5730
07:28:49,640 --> 07:28:51,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: distinguished sponsor sa

5731
07:28:51,320 --> 07:28:53,760
Rep. JC M. Abalos: DEPTEV, pati sa kanyang mga naka-akibat

5732
07:28:53,760 --> 07:28:55,520
Rep. JC M. Abalos: na ahensya, magandang-magandang

5733
07:28:55,520 --> 07:28:56,880
Rep. JC M. Abalos: gabi po. Madam Speaker,

5734
07:28:57,040 --> 07:28:59,140
Rep. JC M. Abalos: will the distinguished sponsor yield to a few

5735
07:28:59,140 --> 07:28:59,740
Rep. JC M. Abalos: questions?

5736
07:29:00,900 --> 07:29:02,580
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, gladly, Madam Speaker.

5737
07:29:03,020 --> 07:29:05,200
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Maraming maraming salamat po, Madam Speaker,

5738
07:29:05,380 --> 07:29:06,360
Rep. JC M. Abalos: distinguished sponsor.

5739
07:29:06,920 --> 07:29:09,200
Rep. JC M. Abalos: For the information of the distinguished sponsor

5740
07:29:09,200 --> 07:29:10,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: as well as the DEPTEV,

5741
07:29:10,860 --> 07:29:13,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ikatlong budget cycle na po ito, Madam Speaker,

5742
07:29:13,020 --> 07:29:14,840
Rep. JC M. Abalos: na nais ko pong magtanong

5743
07:29:14,840 --> 07:29:17,240
Rep. JC M. Abalos: tungkol sa community-based monitoring

5744
07:29:17,240 --> 07:29:18,800
Rep. JC M. Abalos: system na pinapangunahan

5745
07:29:18,800 --> 07:29:20,980
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng Philippine Statistics Authority.

5746
07:29:21,840 --> 07:29:22,220
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Noong

5747
07:29:22,220 --> 07:29:25,040
Rep. JC M. Abalos: 2019, Madam Speaker, ipinasan

5748
07:29:25,040 --> 07:29:27,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: natin ang Republic Act No. 11315,

5749
07:29:27,040 --> 07:29:29,220
Rep. JC M. Abalos: o ang Community-Based

5750
07:29:29,220 --> 07:29:30,920
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Monitoring System Act.

5751
07:29:31,500 --> 07:29:33,140
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Simula noon, taon-taon

5752
07:29:33,140 --> 07:29:34,680
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ay naglalaan ang gobyerno

5753
07:29:34,680 --> 07:29:37,220
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng pondo para maitayo, ma-implement,

5754
07:29:37,480 --> 07:29:38,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ma-validate, at magamit

5755
07:29:38,860 --> 07:29:41,200
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ang sistemang ito. And, Madam Speaker,

5756
07:29:41,360 --> 07:29:42,940
Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi po maliit ang halaga

5757
07:29:42,940 --> 07:29:45,000
Rep. JC M. Abalos: na pinag-uusapan natin tungkol

5758
07:29:45,000 --> 07:29:46,600
Rep. JC M. Abalos: diton. Para lamang sa

5759
07:29:46,600 --> 07:29:48,740
Rep. JC M. Abalos: 2024 nationwide operation

5760
07:29:48,740 --> 07:29:50,520
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng POPCEN CBMS,

5761
07:29:51,080 --> 07:29:52,580
Rep. JC M. Abalos: bilyong-bilyong piso ang

5762
07:29:52,580 --> 07:29:54,720
Rep. JC M. Abalos: inilaan para sa CBMS.

5763
07:29:54,720 --> 07:29:56,720
Rep. JC M. Abalos: At ngayong 2027,

5764
07:29:57,040 --> 07:29:59,200
Rep. JC M. Abalos: humihingi na naman tayo ng humigit-

5765
07:29:59,200 --> 07:30:00,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kumulang

5766
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:05,380
Rep. JC M. Abalos: 5.06 billion para sa CBMS, para sa panibagong cycle.

5767
07:30:05,960 --> 07:30:09,120
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Unang-una, pwede po ba ito kumpirmahin ng ating sponsor

5768
07:30:09,120 --> 07:30:15,180
Rep. JC M. Abalos: na may halagang mahigit kumulang 5.06 billion para sa CBMS for year 2027?

5769
07:30:16,140 --> 07:30:17,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

5770
07:30:17,360 --> 07:30:19,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, would the distinguished sponsor also confirm

5771
07:30:19,860 --> 07:30:23,880
Rep. JC M. Abalos: that for year 2024 when the POPCEN CBMS was conducted,

5772
07:30:24,500 --> 07:30:28,200
Rep. JC M. Abalos: meron rin ditong budget na nakaalan na humigit kumulang 5 billion piso din?

5773
07:30:28,200 --> 07:30:58,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

5774
07:30:58,200 --> 07:31:01,180
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ang 2027, 10 billion na agad to.

5775
07:31:01,440 --> 07:31:02,820
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So nais ko po malaman, Madam Chair,

5776
07:31:03,300 --> 07:31:05,660
Rep. JC M. Abalos: mula nung naisabatas ang CBMS,

5777
07:31:05,920 --> 07:31:10,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: magkano na po ang total appropriations na ininvest ng ating pamahalaan sa CBMS?

5778
07:31:28,200 --> 07:31:32,740
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, perhaps we could stop my time as we wait for the response from the sponsor.

5779
07:31:38,240 --> 07:31:39,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes.

5780
07:31:39,640 --> 07:31:42,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then from 2024...

5781
07:32:52,500 --> 07:33:14,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, so from 2019 to 2023, given that we were only doing pilot programs for the CBMS, 500 million po yung inallocate natin for the CBMS.

5782
07:33:14,120 --> 07:33:31,060
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then for 2024, mayroon na pong 5 billion kasi full-fledged na po yung pag-implement because it was a census year. We conducted the census in 2024, so for 2025 and 2026, again 500 million annually.

5783
07:33:31,080 --> 07:33:38,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then for 2027, since we're also conducting the census for 2027, 5 billion din po ang i-allocate.

5784
07:33:38,680 --> 07:33:43,140
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Maraming salamat po, distinguished sponsor. So, uulitin ko lang po, Madam Speaker.

5785
07:33:43,740 --> 07:33:50,380
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kung sakaling papayagan po natin na bigyan muli ng mahigit 5 bilyong piso ang CBMS,

5786
07:33:50,860 --> 07:34:00,680
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ang ibig sabihin ito, mula nung naisabatas ang CBMS, magkakaroon po tayo ng more than 10 billion pesos that will be allocated to the CBMS.

5787
07:34:00,680 --> 07:34:05,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Just one thing I want to make clear here, Madam Speaker. Hindi po ako tutol sa CBMS.

5788
07:34:05,140 --> 07:34:07,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: As a matter of fact, I fully support it.

5789
07:34:07,980 --> 07:34:15,380
Rep. JC M. Abalos: When the CBMS Act was enacted into law, I thought that this would be a time wherein this would usher a new era

5790
07:34:15,380 --> 07:34:20,540
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung saan meron po tayong data-driven at evidence-based governance.

5791
07:34:21,120 --> 07:34:28,960
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kaya nga po mula naging membro ako ng Kongreso, taon-taon, parating ko po tinatanong kung ano yung mga nagiging accomplishment ng CBMS

5792
07:34:28,960 --> 07:34:36,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: dahil nagsisilbi po itong gabay, hindi lamang sa LGU, kung hindi, sa bawat ahensya po ng pamahalaan.

5793
07:34:36,420 --> 07:34:46,600
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ngayon, ngayong nalaman po natin ang potential investment natin sa CBMS, gusto ko po malaman, Madam Speaker, kung ano ang nakuha natin kapalit nito.

5794
07:34:47,140 --> 07:34:55,940
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Uulitin ko po, Madam Speaker, we've spent more than 5 billion pesos for the CBMS and we're looking to invest 5 billion pesos more.

5795
07:34:55,940 --> 07:34:58,940
Rep. JC M. Abalos: It's very important for us to know kung ano ang kabalitan.

5796
07:34:58,960 --> 07:35:02,220
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kung ano ang buoang investment na makukuha natin kapalit nito.

5797
07:35:04,140 --> 07:35:12,280
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Unang-una, Madam Speaker, importante ang CBMS dahil hindi nakuhulaan ng gobyerno kung saan ang kahirapan.

5798
07:35:13,060 --> 07:35:16,260
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi na kanyang-kanyang listahan ang bawat ahensya.

5799
07:35:16,960 --> 07:35:24,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi na dapat may hiwalay na listahan ang DSWD, ang ibang departamento, at ibang listahan ng LGU na hindi nagtutugma.

5800
07:35:24,860 --> 07:35:28,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kaya po ipinasa ang CBMS Act para magkaroon tayo ng ehem.

5801
07:35:28,960 --> 07:35:37,940
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Updated, disaggregated, household level information na maaaring gamitin ng national government at local government

5802
07:35:37,940 --> 07:35:46,060
Rep. JC M. Abalos: para malaman natin sino sa ating populasyon, sino sa pamayanan ang nangangailangan, nasaan sila, ano ang kailangan nila,

5803
07:35:46,540 --> 07:35:50,940
Rep. JC M. Abalos: at saan dapat mapunta ang limitadong pondo ng gobyerno.

5804
07:35:50,940 --> 07:35:58,040
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And after all these years, and after all these billions allocated, magandang malaman po natin, Madam Speaker,

5805
07:35:58,220 --> 07:35:58,940
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung na-deliverance.

5806
07:35:58,960 --> 07:36:01,280
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Mag-deliver ba natin ang pangakong yun?

5807
07:36:02,020 --> 07:36:07,400
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, as I've said, taon-taon po natin sinusubaybayan ang CBMS.

5808
07:36:07,560 --> 07:36:14,500
Rep. JC M. Abalos: As a matter of fact, during the deliberations for the 2025 budget, if my recollection is correct,

5809
07:36:15,340 --> 07:36:26,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: the PSA said, on the plenary, as we were deliberating its budget, noong 2025, 70% completed ang CBMS.

5810
07:36:26,340 --> 07:36:30,520
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And during that time, they even provided us original targets.

5811
07:36:30,620 --> 07:36:32,840
Rep. JC M. Abalos: This is all on the record, Madam Speaker.

5812
07:36:33,340 --> 07:36:37,640
Rep. JC M. Abalos: They said, October or December 2024, tatapusin na nila.

5813
07:36:38,160 --> 07:36:40,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ngunit, hindi nasunod.

5814
07:36:40,400 --> 07:36:45,420
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And then during the succeeding budget deliberations, last year, August last year,

5815
07:36:45,940 --> 07:36:54,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: sinabi po sa atin na completed na ang 2024 CBMS covering approximately 26.3 million households.

5816
07:36:54,860 --> 07:36:55,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Could the distinguished sponsor?

5817
07:36:56,340 --> 07:36:57,520
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Could the distinguished sponsor confirm this?

5818
07:37:00,700 --> 07:37:02,960
Rep. JC M. Abalos: This is all on the record, Madam Speaker.

5819
07:37:03,260 --> 07:37:05,560
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Sinabi po sa atin ng PSA last year,

5820
07:37:06,120 --> 07:37:11,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kumpleto na ang CBMS covering 26.3 million households.

5821
07:37:13,860 --> 07:37:15,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

5822
07:37:15,700 --> 07:37:17,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Just to the first point,

5823
07:37:17,680 --> 07:37:23,320
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we are one with our distinguished colleague that it's actually one of the mandates of the DepDep.

5824
07:37:24,460 --> 07:37:26,220
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It's supposed to generate,

5825
07:37:26,700 --> 07:37:32,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: impartial and evidence-based analysis and programs that pursue national development.

5826
07:37:32,160 --> 07:37:36,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that is precisely the reason why we establish a CBMS.

5827
07:37:37,820 --> 07:37:41,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Just with regards to the accomplishments of the CBMS,

5828
07:37:41,140 --> 07:37:43,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this is from, according to the PSA,

5829
07:37:44,620 --> 07:37:49,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 26.9 million households were collected information from,

5830
07:37:50,020 --> 07:37:54,280
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: yeah, from out of the 29.7 million total households.

5831
07:37:54,280 --> 07:37:55,280
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that's 91%.

5832
07:37:56,340 --> 07:37:57,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: After that,

5833
07:37:57,340 --> 07:38:02,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and 2.9 million households were then identified as poor.

5834
07:38:03,340 --> 07:38:07,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Another 2.5 million households were identified as near poor.

5835
07:38:07,340 --> 07:38:08,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So,

5836
07:38:08,340 --> 07:38:09,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker,

5837
07:38:09,340 --> 07:38:15,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: could the distinguished sponsor confirm kung last year during the plenary budget deliberations,

5838
07:38:16,340 --> 07:38:22,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: the PSA mentioned here in the plenary that the CBMS was completed,

5839
07:38:22,340 --> 07:38:24,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: covering more than 26 million households.

5840
07:38:24,340 --> 07:38:25,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: This is all in the record.

5841
07:38:25,340 --> 07:38:25,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And gusto ko lang ito.

5842
07:38:25,780 --> 07:38:28,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And gusto ko lang po i-confirm ng distinguished sponsor na

5843
07:38:28,780 --> 07:38:31,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: yun po ang naging representation ng PSA dito sa Kongreso.

5844
07:38:31,780 --> 07:38:33,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kompleto na daw siya as of last year.

5845
07:38:34,780 --> 07:38:35,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

5846
07:38:35,780 --> 07:38:40,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: We confirm that we did indeed say that the CBMS was complete.

5847
07:38:40,780 --> 07:38:48,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: All data was transmitted to the DSWD for their evaluation on the conditionality.

5848
07:38:48,780 --> 07:38:53,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Of course, for the assessments and so that they can be guided in terms of

5849
07:38:53,780 --> 07:38:54,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: what programs to evaluate.

5850
07:38:54,780 --> 07:38:56,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: What programs to institute.

5851
07:38:56,780 --> 07:38:58,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: With that being said,

5852
07:38:58,780 --> 07:39:03,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the data that was collected because the CBMS was completed

5853
07:39:03,780 --> 07:39:06,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: was used for the following DSWD programs,

5854
07:39:06,780 --> 07:39:08,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the four-piece program,

5855
07:39:08,780 --> 07:39:10,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the walang gutom program,

5856
07:39:10,780 --> 07:39:12,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the social pension,

5857
07:39:12,780 --> 07:39:16,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and the uplift beneficiaries which we ruled out because of the fuel crisis.

5858
07:39:16,780 --> 07:39:18,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That's only for 2026.

5859
07:39:18,780 --> 07:39:19,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker,

5860
07:39:19,780 --> 07:39:21,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: and if I also remember correctly,

5861
07:39:21,780 --> 07:39:23,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: binanggit rin po ng PSA sa atin dito,

5862
07:39:23,780 --> 07:39:24,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: last year,

5863
07:39:24,780 --> 07:39:27,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi lamang DSWD ang nag-request ng datos na ito.

5864
07:39:27,780 --> 07:39:30,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: At sinabi po ito ng budget sponsor last year.

5865
07:39:30,780 --> 07:39:32,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Sinabi nila na noong,

5866
07:39:32,780 --> 07:39:34,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: for year 2026,

5867
07:39:34,780 --> 07:39:36,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: may mga ahensya po,

5868
07:39:36,780 --> 07:39:37,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi lamang DSWD,

5869
07:39:37,780 --> 07:39:39,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kundi kasama dito ang DA, DOE,

5870
07:39:39,780 --> 07:39:40,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: TESDA,

5871
07:39:40,780 --> 07:39:41,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: NCSC,

5872
07:39:41,780 --> 07:39:42,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: DepEd,

5873
07:39:42,780 --> 07:39:43,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: DOLE,

5874
07:39:43,780 --> 07:39:44,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: DOH,

5875
07:39:44,780 --> 07:39:47,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung saan naghihingi po sila ng datos.

5876
07:39:47,780 --> 07:39:49,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So hindi lamang DSWD programs dito.

5877
07:39:49,780 --> 07:39:50,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: As a matter of fact,

5878
07:39:50,780 --> 07:39:52,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: the CBMS is the backbone

5879
07:39:52,780 --> 07:39:54,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: of all our programs.

5880
07:39:54,780 --> 07:39:56,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ito po yung datos na mag-guide,

5881
07:39:56,780 --> 07:39:58,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi lamang sa ating mga policy makers,

5882
07:39:58,780 --> 07:39:59,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung hindi,

5883
07:39:59,780 --> 07:40:01,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: pati sa implementers ng ating mga programs.

5884
07:40:01,780 --> 07:40:03,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And could the distinguished sponsor confirm this?

5885
07:40:03,780 --> 07:40:04,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi lamang DSWD,

5886
07:40:04,780 --> 07:40:07,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kundi lahat ng iba't ibang ahensya ng pamahalaan.

5887
07:40:07,780 --> 07:40:09,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

5888
07:40:09,780 --> 07:40:10,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As a matter of fact,

5889
07:40:10,780 --> 07:40:11,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: besides all of the

5890
07:40:11,780 --> 07:40:14,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: agencies mentioned by our distinguished colleague,

5891
07:40:14,780 --> 07:40:15,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: so that's DSWD,

5892
07:40:15,780 --> 07:40:16,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DA,

5893
07:40:16,780 --> 07:40:17,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DOE,

5894
07:40:17,780 --> 07:40:18,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: PhilHealth,

5895
07:40:18,780 --> 07:40:19,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DOLE,

5896
07:40:19,780 --> 07:40:21,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the National Commission on Senior Citizens,

5897
07:40:21,780 --> 07:40:23,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: so this is for the social attention,

5898
07:40:23,780 --> 07:40:24,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DepEd,

5899
07:40:24,780 --> 07:40:25,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the TESDA,

5900
07:40:25,780 --> 07:40:26,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DOH,

5901
07:40:26,780 --> 07:40:28,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and the National Council on Disability Affairs.

5902
07:40:28,780 --> 07:40:29,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

5903
07:40:29,780 --> 07:40:31,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: gusto ko po malaman,

5904
07:40:31,780 --> 07:40:34,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ano ba ang definition ng Philippine Statistics Authority

5905
07:40:34,780 --> 07:40:37,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung sinabi nila na completed na ang CBMS?

5906
07:40:37,780 --> 07:40:38,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kasi last year sinabi nila,

5907
07:40:38,780 --> 07:40:39,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: completed na,

5908
07:40:39,780 --> 07:40:42,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: covering 26.3 million households.

5909
07:40:42,780 --> 07:40:44,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Let me remind everyone once again,

5910
07:40:44,780 --> 07:40:47,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: limang bilyong piso ang ginastos natin dito.

5911
07:40:47,780 --> 07:40:50,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And it's not just about the collection of data eh.

5912
07:40:50,780 --> 07:40:53,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ang makalaga dito kung paano ginagamit ang datos na ito,

5913
07:40:53,780 --> 07:40:58,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: lalong-lalo na na pinaplano natin ang budget ng buong pamahalaan.

5914
07:40:58,780 --> 07:41:00,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

5915
07:41:00,780 --> 07:41:03,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the definition of the completion of the CBMS is that

5916
07:41:03,780 --> 07:41:05,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: all data has been gathered,

5917
07:41:05,780 --> 07:41:08,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: all data has been transmitted to the respective agencies

5918
07:41:08,780 --> 07:41:10,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and also to all of the LGUs.

5919
07:41:10,780 --> 07:41:11,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, Madam Speaker,

5920
07:41:11,780 --> 07:41:13,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: just to clarify ah,

5921
07:41:13,780 --> 07:41:16,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: when the PSA says that the CBMS was completed,

5922
07:41:16,780 --> 07:41:18,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kasama dito yung enumeration,

5923
07:41:18,780 --> 07:41:19,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: data collection,

5924
07:41:19,780 --> 07:41:21,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: processing,

5925
07:41:21,780 --> 07:41:22,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: validation,

5926
07:41:22,780 --> 07:41:23,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: turnover,

5927
07:41:23,780 --> 07:41:25,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: at dahil nagagamit na talaga siya

5928
07:41:25,780 --> 07:41:26,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng mga ahensya ng pamahalaan,

5929
07:41:26,780 --> 07:41:28,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: pati ng mga LGU?

5930
07:41:28,780 --> 07:41:30,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

5931
07:41:30,780 --> 07:41:31,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Okay.

5932
07:41:31,780 --> 07:41:32,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker,

5933
07:41:32,780 --> 07:41:33,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: so to recall,

5934
07:41:33,780 --> 07:41:34,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: last year,

5935
07:41:34,780 --> 07:41:35,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: sinabi ng PSA

5936
07:41:35,780 --> 07:41:38,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: that they have completed the CBMS.

5937
07:41:38,780 --> 07:41:41,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: We've spent more than 5 billion pesos for this.

5938
07:41:41,780 --> 07:41:43,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Meron po ako ditong sulat mismo.

5939
07:41:43,780 --> 07:41:47,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Mula sa Philippine Statistics Authority,

5940
07:41:47,780 --> 07:41:50,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: dated June 26, 2026,

5941
07:41:50,780 --> 07:41:53,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: addressed to the Committee on Poverty Alleviation.

5942
07:41:53,780 --> 07:41:57,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: According to that letter, Madam Speaker,

5943
07:41:57,780 --> 07:42:05,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: 1,499 out of 1,628 cities and municipalities

5944
07:42:05,780 --> 07:42:13,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: or 92% had received their respective 2024 CBMS data files.

5945
07:42:13,780 --> 07:42:15,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Meaning, Madam Speaker,

5946
07:42:15,780 --> 07:42:19,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kahit na sinasabi ng PSA na kompleto na ang CBMS,

5947
07:42:19,780 --> 07:42:27,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: it appears that 129 LGUs had still not received their data.

5948
07:42:27,780 --> 07:42:29,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, Madam Speaker,

5949
07:42:29,780 --> 07:42:33,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung sinabi natin noong 2025 last year na complete na siya,

5950
07:42:33,780 --> 07:42:36,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: pero pagdating ng June this year,

5951
07:42:36,780 --> 07:42:40,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: meron pa tayong 129 LGUs na naghihintay pa rin,

5952
07:42:40,780 --> 07:42:44,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ano po talaga ang ibig sabihin ng complete, Madam Speaker?

5953
07:42:54,780 --> 07:42:57,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: perhaps we could pause my time as we wait for her response.

5954
07:43:10,300 --> 07:43:13,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Could our distinguished colleague please repeat the date of the

5955
07:43:13,780 --> 07:43:15,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: letter that you received?

5956
07:43:16,300 --> 07:43:17,180
Rep. JC M. Abalos: June 16,

5957
07:43:17,920 --> 07:43:18,920
Rep. JC M. Abalos: 2026.

5958
07:43:20,920 --> 07:43:22,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam

5959
07:43:22,080 --> 07:43:23,360
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Speaker. Thank you, Distinguished Colleague.

5960
07:43:23,620 --> 07:43:25,980
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As of now, as for the PSA, all

5961
07:43:25,980 --> 07:43:27,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 1,604

5962
07:43:27,860 --> 07:43:29,100
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: LGUs have

5963
07:43:29,100 --> 07:43:31,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: received the data for the CBMS.

5964
07:43:32,420 --> 07:43:34,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Partly the reason why

5965
07:43:34,120 --> 07:43:36,200
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: probably as of

5966
07:43:36,200 --> 07:43:38,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: June, around

5967
07:43:38,180 --> 07:43:39,580
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 129

5968
07:43:39,580 --> 07:43:42,100
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: LGUs have yet to receive their

5969
07:43:42,100 --> 07:43:43,980
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: CBMS data

5970
07:43:43,980 --> 07:43:46,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: is that one of the

5971
07:43:46,120 --> 07:43:47,740
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: requirements for the LGUs

5972
07:43:47,740 --> 07:43:49,060
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: before they receive

5973
07:43:49,060 --> 07:43:51,820
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the CBMS data would be

5974
07:43:51,820 --> 07:43:54,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the existence or the designation

5975
07:43:54,020 --> 07:43:55,640
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of a National Privacy Officer.

5976
07:43:55,980 --> 07:43:57,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Sorry, a Data Privacy Officer

5977
07:43:57,780 --> 07:43:59,720
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for the National Privacy Commission.

5978
07:44:00,600 --> 07:44:02,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that might be one of the

5979
07:44:02,140 --> 07:44:04,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: reasons why as of June, there

5980
07:44:04,080 --> 07:44:06,100
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: was a delay. But now, we

5981
07:44:06,100 --> 07:44:08,060
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: can confirm, as per

5982
07:44:08,060 --> 07:44:10,620
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the PSA, that all 1,604

5983
07:44:10,620 --> 07:44:12,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: LGUs have received

5984
07:44:12,080 --> 07:44:13,300
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: their CBMS data.

5985
07:44:14,380 --> 07:44:15,880
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, so is it safe to say

5986
07:44:15,880 --> 07:44:18,300
Rep. JC M. Abalos: that all LGUs

5987
07:44:18,300 --> 07:44:20,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: already have a final and

5988
07:44:20,020 --> 07:44:21,680
Rep. JC M. Abalos: usable CBMS

5989
07:44:21,680 --> 07:44:23,540
Rep. JC M. Abalos: data set?

5990
07:44:25,400 --> 07:44:26,640
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

5991
07:44:26,960 --> 07:44:28,460
Rep. JC M. Abalos: May na-monitor po ba, Madam Speaker,

5992
07:44:28,620 --> 07:44:30,280
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng PSA kung

5993
07:44:30,280 --> 07:44:31,720
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ilang LGU ang

5994
07:44:31,720 --> 07:44:34,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: aktual nang gumagamit ng CBMS

5995
07:44:34,020 --> 07:44:35,740
Rep. JC M. Abalos: para sa local planning, budgeting,

5996
07:44:36,000 --> 07:44:38,240
Rep. JC M. Abalos: investment programming, and beneficiary

5997
07:44:38,240 --> 07:44:40,040
Rep. JC M. Abalos: targeting? Pati na rin po sa

5998
07:44:40,040 --> 07:44:41,960
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ating mga national government,

5999
07:44:42,080 --> 07:44:44,120
Rep. JC M. Abalos: government agencies, pati sa mga departments.

6000
07:44:46,040 --> 07:44:47,580
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

6001
07:44:48,200 --> 07:44:50,320
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Besides that, the PSA also conducts

6002
07:44:50,320 --> 07:44:52,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: trainings for local employees

6003
07:44:52,480 --> 07:44:54,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and also monitoring

6004
07:44:54,260 --> 07:44:56,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of their processes.

6005
07:44:57,040 --> 07:44:58,260
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Can the PSA furnish

6006
07:44:58,260 --> 07:45:00,000
Rep. JC M. Abalos: to this representation kung ano yung

6007
07:45:00,000 --> 07:45:02,380
Rep. JC M. Abalos: monitoring mechanisms ninyo at kung ano-ano

6008
07:45:02,380 --> 07:45:03,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: mga LGU ang gumagamit nito

6009
07:45:03,780 --> 07:45:05,880
Rep. JC M. Abalos: at kung ano-ano mga departamento

6010
07:45:05,880 --> 07:45:08,040
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ang gumagamit ng CBMS data sets.

6011
07:45:08,780 --> 07:45:10,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. The agency

6012
07:45:10,140 --> 07:45:11,400
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: will comply.

6013
07:45:11,400 --> 07:45:12,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Going back to the letter

6014
07:45:12,320 --> 07:45:14,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: that was furnished to the Committee on Poverty

6015
07:45:14,320 --> 07:45:15,840
Rep. JC M. Abalos: on Poverty Alleviation, Madam Speaker,

6016
07:45:17,260 --> 07:45:18,040
Rep. JC M. Abalos: sinabi rin po ng

6017
07:45:18,040 --> 07:45:20,140
Rep. JC M. Abalos: PSA na nagkaroon muna ng

6018
07:45:20,140 --> 07:45:21,920
Rep. JC M. Abalos: presentation sa LGUs

6019
07:45:21,920 --> 07:45:23,700
Rep. JC M. Abalos: prior to data sharing

6020
07:45:23,700 --> 07:45:26,260
Rep. JC M. Abalos: to ensure accuracy. Is this correct,

6021
07:45:26,260 --> 07:45:27,140
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker?

6022
07:45:28,120 --> 07:45:29,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

6023
07:45:29,140 --> 07:45:31,760
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Maaari ko po ba malaman kung ano po

6024
07:45:31,760 --> 07:45:33,800
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ang ginagawa sa mga during these

6025
07:45:33,800 --> 07:45:34,400
Rep. JC M. Abalos: presentations?

6026
07:45:45,620 --> 07:45:48,080
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Pagbibigay po ako ng halimbawa, Madam Speaker.

6027
07:45:48,600 --> 07:45:50,100
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Nagpapakita ba tayo ng aggregated

6028
07:45:50,100 --> 07:45:51,420
Rep. JC M. Abalos: data? Kunwari,

6029
07:45:52,280 --> 07:45:53,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: mayor, ganitong percentage ng

6030
07:45:53,860 --> 07:45:55,600
Rep. JC M. Abalos: households ninyo ang walang

6031
07:45:55,600 --> 07:45:56,480
Rep. JC M. Abalos: access sa tubig.

6032
07:45:57,640 --> 07:45:58,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ganon po ba yung parang

6033
07:45:58,780 --> 07:46:00,680
Rep. JC M. Abalos: proseso, yun pa yung mga data. Could the

6034
07:46:00,680 --> 07:46:02,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: distinguished sponsor elaborate on

6035
07:46:02,860 --> 07:46:04,980
Rep. JC M. Abalos: this process para lang meron tayong idea

6036
07:46:04,980 --> 07:46:07,160
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung gaano kahalaga ang CBMS?

6037
07:46:07,720 --> 07:46:09,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

6038
07:46:09,660 --> 07:46:11,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, in the

6039
07:46:11,020 --> 07:46:12,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: presentation of CBMS data

6040
07:46:12,860 --> 07:46:15,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to our LGUs or LSEs,

6041
07:46:15,680 --> 07:46:17,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the PSA,

6042
07:46:17,360 --> 07:46:18,220
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the representatives,

6043
07:46:18,720 --> 07:46:20,640
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: furnish or present

6044
07:46:20,640 --> 07:46:22,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: tables. So, these are the products

6045
07:46:22,940 --> 07:46:23,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of the surveys.

6046
07:46:25,700 --> 07:46:27,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Like a summary

6047
07:46:27,080 --> 07:46:28,760
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of, like,

6048
07:46:28,780 --> 07:46:30,660
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: targeted municipal-level data.

6049
07:46:31,180 --> 07:46:33,420
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then, the LCEs

6050
07:46:33,420 --> 07:46:34,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and all of the local

6051
07:46:34,480 --> 07:46:36,700
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: officials and employees present,

6052
07:46:36,940 --> 07:46:39,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: then, give feedback to the PSA

6053
07:46:39,000 --> 07:46:40,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: with regards to

6054
07:46:40,860 --> 07:46:43,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the data, whether or not

6055
07:46:43,780 --> 07:46:45,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this is accurate

6056
07:46:45,340 --> 07:46:46,720
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: or not. And then,

6057
07:46:47,160 --> 07:46:49,440
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it's a continuous feedback mechanism

6058
07:46:49,440 --> 07:46:51,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: on the part of the PSA and the LGUs.

6059
07:46:51,620 --> 07:46:53,460
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, babalikan ko lang po ulit, no?

6060
07:46:53,460 --> 07:46:55,480
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kasi hanggang ngayon, hindi ko pa rin po maunawaan

6061
07:46:55,480 --> 07:46:57,480
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kung bakit last year

6062
07:46:57,480 --> 07:46:58,540
Rep. JC M. Abalos: sinabi ng PSA,

6063
07:46:58,780 --> 07:47:00,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: na na-turnover na nila

6064
07:47:00,780 --> 07:47:02,840
Rep. JC M. Abalos: lahat ng CBMS data.

6065
07:47:03,540 --> 07:47:04,960
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Tapos ngayon, sasabihin nila na

6066
07:47:04,960 --> 07:47:06,620
Rep. JC M. Abalos: parang ngayon lang siya nangyari.

6067
07:47:07,120 --> 07:47:09,460
Rep. JC M. Abalos: But, I feel like, Madam Speaker,

6068
07:47:09,580 --> 07:47:11,440
Rep. JC M. Abalos: na parang nagkaroon ng misrepresentation

6069
07:47:11,440 --> 07:47:13,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: sa akin. Nung nakaraang taon,

6070
07:47:13,620 --> 07:47:15,440
Rep. JC M. Abalos: nung sinabi ng PSA, na completed

6071
07:47:15,440 --> 07:47:17,520
Rep. JC M. Abalos: na nila. When, as a matter of fact,

6072
07:47:17,640 --> 07:47:19,400
Rep. JC M. Abalos: they sent a letter to the Committee on Poverty

6073
07:47:19,400 --> 07:47:20,380
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Elevation this year,

6074
07:47:21,200 --> 07:47:23,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: saying that not all LGUs have received

6075
07:47:23,340 --> 07:47:25,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: their CBMS datasets. So, can we

6076
07:47:25,320 --> 07:47:27,220
Rep. JC M. Abalos: get some clarification on the

6077
07:47:27,220 --> 07:47:28,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: representation that this,

6078
07:47:28,780 --> 07:47:30,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: the PSA mentioned during the

6079
07:47:30,340 --> 07:47:32,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: budget deliberations last year?

6080
07:47:45,440 --> 07:47:46,820
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Perhaps we could pause my time

6081
07:47:46,820 --> 07:47:48,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: as we wait for a response.

6082
07:48:12,600 --> 07:48:13,560
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

6083
07:48:14,020 --> 07:48:15,040
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Just to clarify,

6084
07:48:15,580 --> 07:48:17,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: just to do a step-by-step. So,

6085
07:48:17,440 --> 07:48:19,420
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: after the presentation of the tables

6086
07:48:19,420 --> 07:48:21,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to the LGUs,

6087
07:48:21,220 --> 07:48:22,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the LECEs,

6088
07:48:23,900 --> 07:48:24,280
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: at the,

6089
07:48:24,780 --> 07:48:27,540
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: on the spot, there has to be

6090
07:48:27,540 --> 07:48:29,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: a data privacy officer.

6091
07:48:30,280 --> 07:48:31,840
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: If not, then

6092
07:48:31,840 --> 07:48:34,200
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the CBMS

6093
07:48:34,200 --> 07:48:35,440
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: data, which already

6094
07:48:35,440 --> 07:48:37,640
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: is completed, cannot be

6095
07:48:37,640 --> 07:48:38,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: fully turned over.

6096
07:48:39,460 --> 07:48:41,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, why didn't the PSA mention this

6097
07:48:41,780 --> 07:48:43,060
Rep. JC M. Abalos: to us last year?

6098
07:48:43,520 --> 07:48:45,880
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kaya po ito napaka-importante sa akin, Madam Speaker,

6099
07:48:46,040 --> 07:48:47,980
Rep. JC M. Abalos: dahil ngayong 20th Congress,

6100
07:48:48,440 --> 07:48:49,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: nagpasa po ako ng resolution,

6101
07:48:50,520 --> 07:48:52,360
Rep. JC M. Abalos: nagbigay ako ng privilege speech,

6102
07:48:52,480 --> 07:48:53,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: dahil natuklasan ko na hindi pa pala

6103
07:48:53,860 --> 07:48:56,220
Rep. JC M. Abalos: tapos yung CBMS. Kahit na sinabi nila

6104
07:48:56,220 --> 07:48:57,380
Rep. JC M. Abalos: last year, natapos na siya.

6105
07:48:57,540 --> 07:48:59,060
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, yung sa akin lang po, Madam Speaker,

6106
07:48:59,720 --> 07:49:01,960
Rep. JC M. Abalos: sana, sinabi ng PSA ito

6107
07:49:01,960 --> 07:49:04,000
Rep. JC M. Abalos: sa atin, nung nakaraang taon,

6108
07:49:04,240 --> 07:49:05,880
Rep. JC M. Abalos: para maiwasan natin yung mga ganitong problema.

6109
07:49:05,980 --> 07:49:07,160
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, yung tanong ko po, Madam Speaker,

6110
07:49:07,780 --> 07:49:09,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ba't ngayon lang nila sa atin sinasabi

6111
07:49:09,340 --> 07:49:11,660
Rep. JC M. Abalos: na may mga data privacy compliances

6112
07:49:11,660 --> 07:49:13,140
Rep. JC M. Abalos: kaya hindi pa na ito turn over?

6113
07:49:13,380 --> 07:49:15,600
Rep. JC M. Abalos: When? They could have said that during the budget

6114
07:49:15,600 --> 07:49:16,660
Rep. JC M. Abalos: deliberations last year.

6115
07:49:27,540 --> 07:49:37,660
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, we understand, Madam Speaker,

6116
07:49:37,820 --> 07:49:40,240
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the concern of our distinguished colleague.

6117
07:49:40,840 --> 07:49:45,400
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Really, from the 2025 deliberations,

6118
07:49:45,980 --> 07:49:48,980
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it was really because of this requirement

6119
07:49:48,980 --> 07:49:50,700
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for the data privacy officers,

6120
07:49:50,820 --> 07:49:53,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: which we thought would not be a hindrance

6121
07:49:53,920 --> 07:49:57,320
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to the full turnover of CBMS data.

6122
07:49:58,000 --> 07:50:00,040
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And that's the reason why

6123
07:50:00,040 --> 07:50:02,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: at the time,

6124
07:50:02,880 --> 07:50:04,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the requirement wasn't

6125
07:50:04,860 --> 07:50:06,900
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: fully implemented.

6126
07:50:08,340 --> 07:50:08,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And then,

6127
07:50:10,240 --> 07:50:11,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: over the course of

6128
07:50:11,340 --> 07:50:13,560
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the turnover to the LGUs,

6129
07:50:13,620 --> 07:50:14,660
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it became a requirement.

6130
07:50:14,960 --> 07:50:16,980
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, ano po ang measured error rate

6131
07:50:16,980 --> 07:50:18,000
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ng CBMS?

6132
07:50:20,000 --> 07:50:21,040
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ilan ang duplicate?

6133
07:50:21,500 --> 07:50:22,420
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ilan ang missing household?

6134
07:50:23,200 --> 07:50:24,740
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ilan ang maliang household composition?

6135
07:50:25,320 --> 07:50:26,640
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ilan maliang employment status?

6136
07:50:26,640 --> 07:50:34,120
Rep. JC M. Abalos: ilan ang maling socioeconomic information, may mga tao ba sa database na sinasabing patay na pero buhay pa pala.

6137
07:50:34,480 --> 07:50:42,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Gusto ko pong malaman dahil napaka-importante po nito habang pinaplano natin ang budget ng bawat departamento na umaasa sa datos.

6138
07:50:42,740 --> 07:50:51,540
Rep. JC M. Abalos: At napaka-importante po, Madam Speaker ng CBMS, dahil isa po itong gabay para sigurado tayo na ang mga pulisiyan natin sinasalamin niya ang pangangailangan ng pamayanan.

6139
07:50:56,640 --> 07:51:06,200
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, so the CBMS is a census.

6140
07:51:06,200 --> 07:51:13,420
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So after which the census is conducted, the PSA then checks with the death registry.

6141
07:51:14,440 --> 07:51:21,500
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that is the way in which we check at least for the deaths recorded.

6142
07:51:23,760 --> 07:51:26,580
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, but in terms of the margin of error,

6143
07:51:26,640 --> 07:51:40,440
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it's really a continuous back-to-forth, I think it's a case-by-case basis regarding which constituency or which area, which jurisdiction would be subject to this.

6144
07:51:40,440 --> 07:51:46,820
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So up to now, Madam Speaker, wala pa po tayong precise number kung ano yung margin of error dun sa mga datos na nakokolekta natin mula sa CBMS.

6145
07:51:48,080 --> 07:51:56,500
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Wala po tayong error rate, wala po tayong metric or data sa mga kinokolekta natin kung mayroong erroneous na entry.

6146
07:51:56,640 --> 07:51:57,840
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Wala po tayong idea.

6147
07:52:00,460 --> 07:52:05,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, just to clarify, Madam Speaker, the CBMS is a census, it's not a survey.

6148
07:52:06,800 --> 07:52:10,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So it's literally a collection of data.

6149
07:52:11,060 --> 07:52:21,860
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, pwede ko po ba malaman, ano yung pinakamatandang household record na ginagamit pa rin ngayon bilang current CBMS information?

6150
07:52:21,860 --> 07:52:26,620
Rep. JC M. Abalos: For example, gusto ko po malaman, Madam Speaker, ano yung average or median age?

6151
07:52:26,640 --> 07:52:34,100
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Considering na hindi naman siya ginawa all at once. May mga census kayong ginawa sa ibang time frame.

6152
07:52:34,200 --> 07:52:38,280
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So pwede po ba namin malaman, Madam Speaker, ano yung average or median age ng records?

6153
07:52:41,580 --> 07:52:49,820
Rep. JC M. Abalos: May mga records po ba tayo galing mula 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026? Pwede po ba namin malaman yun, Madam Speaker?

6154
07:52:56,640 --> 07:53:19,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: 2024 CBMS, Madam Speaker, is the oldest record that we have for using for PSA data.

6155
07:53:19,920 --> 07:53:25,040
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ano naman po, Madam Speaker, yung pinakabago? 2024 lang ba lahat?

6156
07:53:26,640 --> 07:53:44,460
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kasi naiintindihan ko po, Madam Speaker, the first cycle, POPs and CBMS 2024, I want to find out if there are certain household information collected beyond 2024.

6157
07:53:44,460 --> 07:53:50,460
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Let's say last year, may mga sinensos ba kayo ng 2025? May mga sinensos ba kayo ng 2026?

6158
07:53:50,460 --> 07:53:57,060
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Or 2024 lang ba lahat?

6159
07:53:57,460 --> 07:54:13,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: For social protection, Madam Speaker, the oldest would be 2024. But for the FIES, which is the Family Income and Expenditure Survey, it would be just for 2026.

6160
07:54:14,440 --> 07:54:20,440
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So meron pong two-year interval yung FIES and for social protection.

6161
07:54:20,460 --> 07:54:21,740
Rep. JC M. Abalos: For social services, is that correct?

6162
07:54:22,060 --> 07:54:23,980
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, two-year interval, Madam Speaker.

6163
07:54:24,600 --> 07:54:34,140
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Okay. So, Madam Speaker, yung tanong ko po sa PSA, and of course, for the guidance of all our government agencies who are relying on the CBMS data,

6164
07:54:34,820 --> 07:54:40,840
Rep. JC M. Abalos: malaking pagkakaiba po kasi yung mga nakokollect natin ng 2026 and 2024.

6165
07:54:41,520 --> 07:54:49,460
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Dahil sa isang household, in the span of two years, a lot can change. May mga nawawala ng trabaho, may mga lumilipat.

6166
07:54:50,460 --> 07:55:01,580
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, yung tanong po dito, masyado na bang luma ang household information, let's say, ng 2024 para gamitin sa beneficiary targeting?

6167
07:55:01,960 --> 07:55:12,500
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And I also want to know, Madam Speaker, maglalaan tayo muli ng 5 billion para sa CBMS census, kailan po yung target date natin para isagawa ang second cycle?

6168
07:55:20,460 --> 07:55:42,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

6169
07:55:42,920 --> 07:55:49,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the agency agrees that given the long interval,

6170
07:55:50,460 --> 07:55:58,520
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we can't fully capture the shocks that we experience over the course of those two years.

6171
07:55:58,960 --> 07:56:09,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, that's precisely the reason why for 2027, we're asking for 5 billion, because of the shocks that happened in 2025 and also, of course, 2026.

6172
07:56:09,940 --> 07:56:17,540
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, really, the 5 billion for the CBMS for 2027, besides the regular census processes,

6173
07:56:20,460 --> 07:56:32,400
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: so, the effects of those shocks in 2025 and 2026, so that social protection programs and all social policies would be informed and tailored accordingly.

6174
07:56:32,960 --> 07:56:37,300
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, kailan po yung target natin para sa second cycle ng CBMS?

6175
07:56:38,380 --> 07:56:40,540
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: September 2027, Madam Speaker.

6176
07:56:40,960 --> 07:56:48,660
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And gusto ko po malaman, ano yung pinaka-recent na CBMS data turnover na ibinigay ng PSA sa LGU this year?

6177
07:56:49,220 --> 07:56:50,300
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Ano yung pinaka-recent yung turnover?

6178
07:57:30,000 --> 07:57:33,550
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: First quarter of 2026, Madam Speaker.

6179
07:57:33,550 --> 07:57:52,800
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So you mean to tell me, Madam Speaker, kunwari isa po akong LGU, natanggap ko lamang ang aking CBMS data nung taong 2026, tapos 2027 maglalaan tayo ng 5 bilyon ulit, tapos kokolektahan na naman ako ng data sa 2027?

6180
07:57:52,800 --> 07:57:59,180
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi po ba, Madam Speaker, parang nakapanghinayang na isang taon lang halos napakinabangan ng data na na-collect?

6181
07:57:59,640 --> 07:58:06,420
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And, since malapit na po matapos oras ko, Madam Speaker, may I just illustrate kung gaano po kaimportante ang CBMS?

6182
07:58:06,560 --> 07:58:10,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And I hope our kind sponsor helps me verify this information.

6183
07:58:11,200 --> 07:58:12,660
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Magbibigay po ako ng example.

6184
07:58:13,440 --> 07:58:17,100
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Status of CBMS source, social pension validation.

6185
07:58:17,400 --> 07:58:19,180
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Para po ito sa social pension ng ating mga seniors.

6186
07:58:20,040 --> 07:58:21,100
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Total potential balance.

6187
07:58:21,140 --> 07:58:23,020
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Beneficiaries identified from CBMS.

6188
07:58:23,200 --> 07:58:24,080
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Batches 1 to 3.

6189
07:58:24,460 --> 07:58:28,060
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Figure, 568,651.

6190
07:58:28,600 --> 07:58:34,980
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Remaining for field validation, 251,318.

6191
07:58:35,540 --> 07:58:41,780
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Chair, sa aming pagsusuri, nagpapakita naman na gumagana mas kipapano ang ating CBMS.

6192
07:58:41,900 --> 07:58:45,540
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Dahil may mga na-identify tayong mga beneficiaries.

6193
07:58:46,240 --> 07:58:50,540
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Kaso lang po, binavalidate pa rin yung remaining 251,318.

6194
07:58:51,140 --> 07:58:55,960
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Beneficiaries, hindi lamang po sa social pension for senior citizens.

6195
07:58:56,460 --> 07:59:02,800
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Mas ka sa 4Ps, for example, may 107,000 households pa subject to validation.

6196
07:59:03,420 --> 07:59:15,600
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Like I said, Madam Speaker, napakahalaga po ng CBMS dahil ito po ang listahan na pinapagbasihan natin for our social protection programs for our most vulnerable sectors.

6197
07:59:15,600 --> 07:59:21,000
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Hindi po biro ang perang inilalaan natin para dito at napakahalaga po ito para mag-guide ang ating...

6198
07:59:21,140 --> 07:59:22,460
Rep. JC M. Abalos: National Government Agency.

6199
07:59:22,620 --> 07:59:24,840
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, can we get a response from our distinguished sponsor?

6200
07:59:26,460 --> 07:59:28,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

6201
07:59:28,840 --> 07:59:34,360
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: With regards to the social pension particularly, there are multiple layers of validation.

6202
07:59:35,120 --> 07:59:40,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: For one, it's the PSA checks for the death registry.

6203
07:59:40,580 --> 07:59:46,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: At the same time, given that there's an age requirement for being able to avail of the social pension, so 60,

6204
07:59:47,000 --> 07:59:50,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: they also counter-check that with other surveys and other...

6205
07:59:51,140 --> 07:59:51,640
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Registries.

6206
07:59:52,400 --> 07:59:57,880
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, that would be at least one of the reasons why validation takes so long.

6207
07:59:58,940 --> 08:00:00,040
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: At least on the part of the...

6208
08:00:00,000 --> 08:00:06,480
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Before I close, Madam Speaker, may I request from our distinguished sponsor as well as the PSA,

6209
08:00:06,480 --> 08:00:14,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: baka pwede niyo po ako bigyan ng timeline lang kung meron kayong target dates for completion sa mga bina-validate niyo pa pong population

6210
08:00:14,340 --> 08:00:22,940
Rep. JC M. Abalos: dahil napakahalaga po yung timely delivery ng data, lalong-lalo na po na maglalaan tayo ulit ng mahigit 5 bilyong piso

6211
08:00:22,940 --> 08:00:29,040
Rep. JC M. Abalos: at magsasagawa na naman tayo ng census sa parating na taon.

6212
08:00:29,040 --> 08:00:37,820
Rep. JC M. Abalos: So, pwede ko po ba makuha yung commitment ng ating sponsor pati ng PSA na bibigyan tayo ng timeline kung kailan nila tatapusin ang validation,

6213
08:00:38,120 --> 08:00:44,340
Rep. JC M. Abalos: hindi lamang sa social pension, hindi lamang sa 4Ps, kundi sa lahat ng programa na may pending pa tayong validation.

6214
08:00:45,800 --> 08:00:52,580
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. The agency will assess and will furnish a copy to our good colleagues.

6215
08:00:53,100 --> 08:00:58,580
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Madam Speaker, gusto ko pong ulitin and I hope hindi po ako mamisinterpret ng definition.

6216
08:00:59,040 --> 08:01:11,320
Rep. JC M. Abalos: I want the CBMS to succeed. Napakaganda po kasi ng vision ng batas dahil napakahalaga na alam po natin kung saan may deprivation of services.

6217
08:01:11,540 --> 08:01:17,140
Rep. JC M. Abalos: We must know where government resources must go to populations that need it the most.

6218
08:01:17,640 --> 08:01:24,880
Rep. JC M. Abalos: And of course, magandang bigyan natin ang pagkakataon yung mga LGU na magplano based on actual household conditions.

6219
08:01:25,880 --> 08:01:28,280
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Yun lamang po, Madam Speaker.

6220
08:01:29,040 --> 08:01:34,540
Rep. JC M. Abalos: Salamat po ako sa ating distinguished sponsor, pati po sa DepDev at sa PSA. Maraming salamat po. Magandang gabi po.

6221
08:01:34,800 --> 08:01:36,460
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

6222
08:01:36,660 --> 08:01:39,040
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Thank you, Honorable Abalos, Majority Leader.

6223
08:01:48,040 --> 08:01:57,560
Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable Roberto Nazal of BH Party-list to interpellate on the proposed budget

6224
08:01:57,560 --> 08:01:59,020
Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development,

6225
08:01:59,040 --> 08:02:03,160
Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla: including its attached agencies and corporations.

6226
08:02:03,840 --> 08:02:07,700
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: The Honorable Roberto Nazal is recognized.

6227
08:02:08,700 --> 08:02:12,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Chair, distinguished sponsor. Good evening to the DepDev.

6228
08:02:15,500 --> 08:02:25,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, through you, do you agree, distinguished sponsor, that when government spending is significantly delayed

6229
08:02:25,160 --> 08:02:27,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: or falls short of program,

6230
08:02:29,040 --> 08:02:30,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that can slow economic growth?

6231
08:02:32,000 --> 08:02:34,460
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. We agree.

6232
08:02:36,500 --> 08:02:42,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Every year, we have unobligated, unused, and reverted appropriations.

6233
08:02:43,760 --> 08:02:47,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Does DepDev compute the economic cost?

6234
08:02:48,620 --> 08:02:55,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Not just the unused money, but the projects, jobs, services, and economic activity that were delayed?

6235
08:02:55,980 --> 08:02:56,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you.

6236
08:02:59,040 --> 08:03:14,540
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, there is a competition with regards to primary infrastructure,

6237
08:03:14,720 --> 08:03:21,400
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the effects of delays in primary infrastructure projects, and also social programs.

6238
08:03:21,960 --> 08:03:22,300
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker.

6239
08:03:22,300 --> 08:03:26,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, distinguished sponsor.

6240
08:03:26,760 --> 08:03:27,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, and do you show the...

6241
08:03:27,300 --> 08:03:28,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, and do you show the...

6242
08:03:28,500 --> 08:03:31,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, and do you show this to the agencies concerned?

6243
08:03:32,660 --> 08:03:36,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Does DepDev, minapakita po ba ito sa mga ahensya?

6244
08:03:37,340 --> 08:03:43,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And do we tell them what their failure to implement is costing the economy?

6245
08:03:47,600 --> 08:03:48,280
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Okay.

6246
08:03:49,160 --> 08:03:50,560
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

6247
08:03:51,240 --> 08:03:53,200
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: These are discussed with the agencies.

6248
08:03:53,480 --> 08:03:56,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: This is also reported to the President through the Economic Development Council.

6249
08:03:56,800 --> 08:03:57,880
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Okay.

6250
08:03:58,500 --> 08:04:01,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, distinguished sponsor.

6251
08:04:02,420 --> 08:04:09,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Natsi-check po ba natin, distinguished sponsor, Madam Chair, kung ano yung bottlenecks?

6252
08:04:09,180 --> 08:04:23,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And once identified, do we recommend what the executive and the legislature needs to do to help departments address them?

6253
08:04:25,460 --> 08:04:26,760
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, these are checked, Madam Speaker.

6254
08:04:28,500 --> 08:04:40,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, kapag may cabinet meeting po, do we flag the repeat underspenders and explain what their failure to implement is costing the economy?

6255
08:04:41,820 --> 08:04:43,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, the level of the cabinet.

6256
08:04:43,800 --> 08:04:50,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do we have the data kung sino po ang laging underspending?

6257
08:04:51,440 --> 08:04:55,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And can you give a sample kung ano po ang nagiging cost nito sa economy?

6258
08:04:56,660 --> 08:04:57,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay.

6259
08:04:58,500 --> 08:05:19,500
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, just for those that fall within the purview of the DEPDEV, which is the primary infrastructure programs and the social programs,

6260
08:05:19,640 --> 08:05:24,220
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: but in terms of agency per agency, that would be under the DBM?

6261
08:05:24,220 --> 08:05:28,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: For example, in 2020...

6262
08:05:28,500 --> 08:05:40,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: In 2025, Madam Chair, ang dami po natin naging underspending at marami po tayo naging FISARO under sa DPWH, for example.

6263
08:05:42,340 --> 08:05:54,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano po ang naging economic effect nung underspending natin sa DPWH noong 2025?

6264
08:05:56,440 --> 08:05:56,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay.

6265
08:05:58,500 --> 08:06:03,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And can you cite the economic indicators na naapektuhan?

6266
08:06:05,960 --> 08:06:16,560
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As per the DEPDEV, if these projects would have been implemented in a timely manner, we would have grown an additional 1%.

6267
08:06:16,560 --> 08:06:19,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: 1% in terms of GDP?

6268
08:06:20,180 --> 08:06:20,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: In terms of GDP.

6269
08:06:21,560 --> 08:06:23,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, Madam Sponsor.

6270
08:06:23,820 --> 08:06:23,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Sponsor.

6271
08:06:25,220 --> 08:06:28,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: How about implementation?

6272
08:06:28,500 --> 08:06:41,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Every year, we see unfilled positions and heavy reliance on JOs and job orders and contract of service workers.

6273
08:06:42,880 --> 08:06:51,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: The DEPDEV study, whether these recurring staffing issues are constraining government implementation and economic growth.

6274
08:06:51,240 --> 08:06:55,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And if this happens year after year,

6275
08:06:56,460 --> 08:06:58,260
Rep. Roberto Nazal: shouldn't there be a greater urgency?

6276
08:06:58,500 --> 08:07:00,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Should we find a government-wide solution?

6277
08:07:09,100 --> 08:07:19,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: In terms of the unfilled positions and the effect of these unfilled positions with regards to performances of agencies,

6278
08:07:20,240 --> 08:07:22,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that would not be under the purview of the DEPDEV.

6279
08:07:23,640 --> 08:07:26,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: However, with regards to the job orders,

6280
08:07:26,800 --> 08:07:32,100
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and those workers for contracts of service,

6281
08:07:32,540 --> 08:07:37,300
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DEPDEV has issued an EO recommending for social protections for them.

6282
08:07:37,840 --> 08:07:38,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Again, sorry.

6283
08:07:39,260 --> 08:07:40,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can you repeat that, Madam Sponsor?

6284
08:07:40,620 --> 08:07:44,320
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The DEPDEV, so, the DEPDEV cannot,

6285
08:07:45,100 --> 08:07:51,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DEPDEV doesn't assess the effects of unfilled positions and JOs and the COSs

6286
08:07:51,860 --> 08:07:55,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: with regards to the implementing capacity of agencies,

6287
08:07:55,800 --> 08:07:56,440
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: agencies.

6288
08:07:56,800 --> 08:08:04,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But, it has issued an executive order recommending for social protections for workers who are job orders,

6289
08:08:04,800 --> 08:08:05,740
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: contracts of service.

6290
08:08:05,740 --> 08:08:08,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po ba dapat tingnan din po natin ito?

6291
08:08:09,840 --> 08:08:12,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And it's about time we look at it because, first and foremost,

6292
08:08:13,940 --> 08:08:20,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung JOs and COS po, ang dami po nating posisyon na laging hindi nafi-fill up na

6293
08:08:21,200 --> 08:08:22,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: mga permanent positions.

6294
08:08:23,960 --> 08:08:26,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And yung JOs and COS,

6295
08:08:26,340 --> 08:08:29,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: they remain people who have no security of tenure.

6296
08:08:31,480 --> 08:08:33,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And siyempre, that will affect,

6297
08:08:33,840 --> 08:08:35,460
Rep. Roberto Nazal: if I were in their position,

6298
08:08:36,020 --> 08:08:40,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and wala po akong titignan na magiging future ko,

6299
08:08:41,640 --> 08:08:43,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: unstable po yung aking kinabukasan,

6300
08:08:44,200 --> 08:08:46,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po ba makakaapekto yun sa productivity?

6301
08:08:47,780 --> 08:08:49,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, it will.

6302
08:08:49,920 --> 08:08:52,660
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Given that, of course, livelihood and security.

6303
08:08:52,660 --> 08:08:56,320
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And this is a problem year in and year out.

6304
08:08:57,080 --> 08:09:01,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Lagi po tayong ganito karami ang posisyon na dapat fill upan.

6305
08:09:01,580 --> 08:09:01,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero

6306
08:09:02,540 --> 08:09:05,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: napakadami namang JOs and COS,

6307
08:09:05,740 --> 08:09:08,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: tapos hindi po napupuno yung mga posisyon.

6308
08:09:09,520 --> 08:09:10,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And I'm sure,

6309
08:09:11,540 --> 08:09:13,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the DepDev will agree that

6310
08:09:13,920 --> 08:09:15,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: this will affect

6311
08:09:15,960 --> 08:09:18,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the productivity,

6312
08:09:18,940 --> 08:09:20,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: not only of the people

6313
08:09:20,040 --> 08:09:22,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: in those positions,

6314
08:09:22,420 --> 08:09:23,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: but also of the departments,

6315
08:09:23,640 --> 08:09:24,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi hindi po nila napupuno yung

6316
08:09:24,940 --> 08:09:26,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kailangan

6317
08:09:26,320 --> 08:09:27,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nilang punuin na trabaho.

6318
08:09:28,480 --> 08:09:29,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Na posisyon.

6319
08:09:30,220 --> 08:09:31,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do you agree, Madam Sponsor?

6320
08:09:32,900 --> 08:09:33,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes. Madam Chair.

6321
08:09:33,760 --> 08:09:35,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker, we agree.

6322
08:09:35,440 --> 08:09:36,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The agency agrees.

6323
08:09:37,680 --> 08:09:39,600
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: However, as of now,

6324
08:09:40,000 --> 08:09:42,560
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this will not fall under the mandate of the DEF-DEF.

6325
08:09:42,560 --> 08:09:45,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: But what will the DEF-DEF do

6326
08:09:45,140 --> 08:09:47,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: moving forward?

6327
08:09:56,320 --> 08:10:07,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes, Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague.

6328
08:10:08,020 --> 08:10:09,820
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The DEF-DEF is part of

6329
08:10:09,820 --> 08:10:14,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the Committee on Drafting the IRRs

6330
08:10:14,940 --> 08:10:17,840
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and the Guidelines for the Government Optimization Act.

6331
08:10:18,560 --> 08:10:21,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: This might be one of the considerations

6332
08:10:21,160 --> 08:10:23,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that we will consider

6333
08:10:23,080 --> 08:10:26,300
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for the productivity

6334
08:10:26,300 --> 08:10:27,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of our workers.

6335
08:10:27,520 --> 08:10:28,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And baka po, it's about time

6336
08:10:28,860 --> 08:10:30,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that we measure this also

6337
08:10:30,080 --> 08:10:33,380
Rep. Roberto Nazal: so that we can definitely tell

6338
08:10:33,380 --> 08:10:34,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the Executive

6339
08:10:34,480 --> 08:10:36,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: or inform the Executive

6340
08:10:36,720 --> 08:10:38,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung ano po ang epekto

6341
08:10:38,000 --> 08:10:39,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nung tuloy-tuloy po

6342
08:10:39,420 --> 08:10:41,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: na hindi po nila pinupuno yung posisyon.

6343
08:10:42,740 --> 08:10:43,840
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

6344
08:10:44,280 --> 08:10:46,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Definitely, this will be one of the vehicles

6345
08:10:46,120 --> 08:10:48,240
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: in which we can raise this issue.

6346
08:10:51,880 --> 08:10:54,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'd like to continue to my next question.

6347
08:10:54,800 --> 08:10:55,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: On right-of-way,

6348
08:10:56,300 --> 08:10:59,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, Madam Sponsor,

6349
08:11:01,960 --> 08:11:04,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: isang kongkreto pong halimbawa

6350
08:11:04,560 --> 08:11:05,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay yung right-of-way, no?

6351
08:11:06,520 --> 08:11:09,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: We were informed in a meeting with DPWH

6352
08:11:09,640 --> 08:11:11,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that for BIT,

6353
08:11:13,400 --> 08:11:15,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: SIPAG, and convergence projects,

6354
08:11:16,180 --> 08:11:18,460
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the LGU is expected to finance

6355
08:11:18,460 --> 08:11:21,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the ROW, yung right-of-way.

6356
08:11:22,360 --> 08:11:24,260
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So ibig sabihin, for a project funded

6357
08:11:24,260 --> 08:11:25,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: in the national

6358
08:11:25,420 --> 08:11:25,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: G20,

6359
08:11:25,720 --> 08:11:29,380
Rep. Roberto Nazal: GAA, and implemented by DPWH,

6360
08:11:31,080 --> 08:11:32,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: anong posisyon ng DEPDEV,

6361
08:11:33,340 --> 08:11:34,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: sino po ba talaga

6362
08:11:34,640 --> 08:11:36,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang dapat mag-finance ng ROW?

6363
08:11:37,980 --> 08:11:40,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: National Government or LGU?

6364
08:11:40,620 --> 08:11:42,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi ang sabi po sa amin,

6365
08:11:43,120 --> 08:11:43,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pag

6366
08:11:43,440 --> 08:11:46,380
Rep. Roberto Nazal: under BIP, SIPAG,

6367
08:11:46,440 --> 08:11:47,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: or convergence,

6368
08:11:48,600 --> 08:11:50,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang dapat daw yung LGU.

6369
08:11:53,300 --> 08:11:54,200
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

6370
08:11:54,360 --> 08:11:55,680
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the position of the DEPDEV at least,

6371
08:11:55,720 --> 08:11:58,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: if it's a national project,

6372
08:11:58,480 --> 08:11:59,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: then it should be

6373
08:11:59,720 --> 08:12:01,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: funded nationally.

6374
08:12:01,960 --> 08:12:04,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Then, can we please come up with a

6375
08:12:04,400 --> 08:12:06,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: can we come up with a

6376
08:12:06,060 --> 08:12:08,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: siguro, I don't know kung anong pwede natin

6377
08:12:08,400 --> 08:12:08,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ilabas,

6378
08:12:09,440 --> 08:12:11,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: a recommendation

6379
08:12:11,720 --> 08:12:13,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: na

6380
08:12:13,100 --> 08:12:15,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: baka dapat po,

6381
08:12:16,800 --> 08:12:18,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kasi ang nangyayari sa atin,

6382
08:12:19,740 --> 08:12:20,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: any project

6383
08:12:20,800 --> 08:12:22,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: under BIP, SIPAG, and convergence,

6384
08:12:22,680 --> 08:12:24,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po siya natutuloy.

6385
08:12:25,720 --> 08:12:28,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Dahil, ang laging nagiging issue

6386
08:12:28,000 --> 08:12:30,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay sasabihin nila, LGU ang dapat magbayad.

6387
08:12:30,880 --> 08:12:32,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, nagiging problema po yung

6388
08:12:32,640 --> 08:12:33,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: right of way.

6389
08:12:36,980 --> 08:12:37,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: For me,

6390
08:12:40,680 --> 08:12:41,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: if it is sa national,

6391
08:12:41,880 --> 08:12:43,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: tama po yung sinabi nyo, and I agree,

6392
08:12:44,420 --> 08:12:46,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: para sa amin po, pagka national kasi,

6393
08:12:46,680 --> 08:12:48,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang ga-a, dapat ang

6394
08:12:48,420 --> 08:12:50,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: right of way, dapat sa

6395
08:12:50,640 --> 08:12:52,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: DPWH, dapat sa National Government.

6396
08:12:55,720 --> 08:12:57,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Meron na po bang final IRR

6397
08:12:57,880 --> 08:12:59,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang ARO Act?

6398
08:13:25,720 --> 08:13:34,760
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As per the agency, Madam Speaker,

6399
08:13:35,660 --> 08:13:37,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this would, the lead agency

6400
08:13:37,260 --> 08:13:38,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: would be the DPWH.

6401
08:13:38,760 --> 08:13:41,320
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, we're confirming, we'll get back to you,

6402
08:13:41,840 --> 08:13:42,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: distinguished colleague.

6403
08:13:43,340 --> 08:13:44,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you.

6404
08:13:45,120 --> 08:13:47,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung wala po pa po kasi,

6405
08:13:47,720 --> 08:13:49,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: can DEV-DEV

6406
08:13:49,740 --> 08:13:50,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: commit

6407
08:13:50,160 --> 08:13:53,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that this issue should be expressly

6408
08:13:53,040 --> 08:13:54,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: clarified in the IRR,

6409
08:13:55,160 --> 08:13:55,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: particularly,

6410
08:13:55,720 --> 08:13:59,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for BIP, SIPAG, and Convergence projects.

6411
08:13:59,160 --> 08:14:02,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, we agree, Madam Speaker.

6412
08:14:04,520 --> 08:14:14,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And kasi nga po, if LGUs are not supposed to finance the ROW, then bakit po yun ang understanding ng DPWH?

6413
08:14:14,560 --> 08:14:19,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Sana po malinaw na natin para po maiwasan na itong issue na ito.

6414
08:14:19,580 --> 08:14:32,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Has DEPDev, Madam Sponsor, quantified how many projects and how much in appropriations are currently delayed because of unresolved ROW?

6415
08:14:50,540 --> 08:14:57,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DepDEP will only have data on the IFPs, the Infrastructure Flagship Projects.

6416
08:14:57,340 --> 08:15:00,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But with the other infrastructure...

6417
08:15:00,000 --> 08:15:01,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: projects that would be under the

6418
08:15:01,920 --> 08:15:03,980
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: implementing agency? Madam Speaker.

6419
08:15:04,540 --> 08:15:06,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Then how can we say

6420
08:15:06,020 --> 08:15:08,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Speaker,

6421
08:15:08,580 --> 08:15:09,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor,

6422
08:15:10,280 --> 08:15:12,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: na we are monitoring kung ano po yung

6423
08:15:12,060 --> 08:15:14,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: mga delayed projects na hindi na i-implement

6424
08:15:14,220 --> 08:15:16,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: if we are not monitoring this?

6425
08:15:16,840 --> 08:15:17,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Because this is part

6426
08:15:17,940 --> 08:15:19,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and parcel of what

6427
08:15:19,900 --> 08:15:22,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the DPWH needs to be

6428
08:15:22,060 --> 08:15:24,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: able to implement the project and make

6429
08:15:24,040 --> 08:15:24,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the project

6430
08:15:24,620 --> 08:15:26,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: generate

6431
08:15:26,980 --> 08:15:29,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: benefit for

6432
08:15:29,020 --> 08:15:31,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: each project na matapos nila.

6433
08:15:33,220 --> 08:15:34,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung ito po ay

6434
08:15:34,100 --> 08:15:35,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: cause of delay,

6435
08:15:36,120 --> 08:15:38,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: magkano po ang nagiging

6436
08:15:38,180 --> 08:15:39,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: effect nito

6437
08:15:39,660 --> 08:15:40,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa ating ekonomiya?

6438
08:15:59,020 --> 08:16:05,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

6439
08:16:06,180 --> 08:16:07,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: really, well given

6440
08:16:07,920 --> 08:16:09,740
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that DEPDEV only has purview for

6441
08:16:09,740 --> 08:16:11,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the flagship programs,

6442
08:16:12,220 --> 08:16:13,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it will only have data on the

6443
08:16:13,860 --> 08:16:15,420
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: flagship program. But

6444
08:16:15,420 --> 08:16:17,760
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the rest of the projects

6445
08:16:17,760 --> 08:16:19,500
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: under the GAA, unfortunately

6446
08:16:19,500 --> 08:16:21,820
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DEPDEV doesn't have purview over that.

6447
08:16:22,820 --> 08:16:23,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: But shouldn't we be

6448
08:16:23,660 --> 08:16:24,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: monitoring this?

6449
08:16:25,940 --> 08:16:26,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor?

6450
08:16:26,780 --> 08:16:26,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor?

6451
08:16:29,020 --> 08:16:30,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi siyempre this will contribute

6452
08:16:30,940 --> 08:16:32,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: to the delay of

6453
08:16:32,220 --> 08:16:35,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung payback nung ating mga

6454
08:16:35,160 --> 08:16:37,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: gastos eh. Aren't we

6455
08:16:37,180 --> 08:16:39,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: borrowing also for this to accomplish

6456
08:16:39,300 --> 08:16:40,380
Rep. Roberto Nazal: itong mga project na to?

6457
08:16:41,280 --> 08:16:42,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And kung hindi po siya nagagawa,

6458
08:16:44,200 --> 08:16:44,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi ba meron

6459
08:16:44,920 --> 08:16:47,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: katumbas na

6460
08:16:47,180 --> 08:16:48,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: economic cost dito?

6461
08:16:50,080 --> 08:16:51,360
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam

6462
08:16:51,360 --> 08:16:51,680
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Speaker.

6463
08:16:52,740 --> 08:16:55,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well as of now, DEPDEV doesn't have

6464
08:16:55,160 --> 08:16:57,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the mandate to monitor the

6465
08:16:57,260 --> 08:16:59,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: project under the GAA.

6466
08:16:59,020 --> 08:17:01,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: However, I was

6467
08:17:01,160 --> 08:17:02,820
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: informed that the DBM does have

6468
08:17:02,820 --> 08:17:04,640
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Project DIME, which

6469
08:17:04,640 --> 08:17:06,620
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: somewhat pursues what

6470
08:17:06,620 --> 08:17:08,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: our distinguished colleague wants to do.

6471
08:17:08,960 --> 08:17:10,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So the data for this

6472
08:17:10,880 --> 08:17:12,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: should be with the DBM?

6473
08:17:12,760 --> 08:17:14,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

6474
08:17:14,500 --> 08:17:16,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero shouldn't the DEPDEV be familiar

6475
08:17:16,980 --> 08:17:18,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: with, shouldn't they share that

6476
08:17:18,980 --> 08:17:20,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: data with you po para alam nyo?

6477
08:17:29,020 --> 08:17:37,700
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

6478
08:17:38,920 --> 08:17:40,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: these challenges

6479
08:17:40,940 --> 08:17:42,360
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: are

6480
08:17:42,360 --> 08:17:44,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: discussed by the DEPDEV

6481
08:17:44,920 --> 08:17:46,880
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and the DBM during the

6482
08:17:46,880 --> 08:17:48,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Economic Development Council meeting.

6483
08:17:49,660 --> 08:17:50,760
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So that is one

6484
08:17:50,760 --> 08:17:52,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: way in which they

6485
08:17:52,860 --> 08:17:53,980
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: exchange information.

6486
08:17:54,900 --> 08:17:56,280
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: However, with regards to the

6487
08:17:56,280 --> 08:17:58,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: project-by-project basis, it would be

6488
08:17:58,960 --> 08:18:00,880
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: through the Implementing Agency

6489
08:18:00,880 --> 08:18:02,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and DBM

6490
08:18:02,480 --> 08:18:03,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: as a project.

6491
08:18:04,360 --> 08:18:06,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'm just asking naman po if it's quantified

6492
08:18:06,800 --> 08:18:08,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: e, saka kung ano po yung effect

6493
08:18:08,400 --> 08:18:09,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: in terms of

6494
08:18:09,920 --> 08:18:12,460
Rep. Roberto Nazal: how

6495
08:18:12,460 --> 08:18:15,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: this is affecting the economic indicators

6496
08:18:15,160 --> 08:18:17,260
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung hindi po siya

6497
08:18:17,260 --> 08:18:19,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nagagawa. So kung alam po

6498
08:18:19,020 --> 08:18:21,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: natin yun, yun lang naman po ang tinatanong.

6499
08:18:28,960 --> 08:18:51,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can you patigil po nung aking?

6500
08:18:51,780 --> 08:18:52,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: We will,

6501
08:18:53,440 --> 08:18:54,680
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the agency will assess,

6502
08:18:55,480 --> 08:18:56,540
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the agency will discuss

6503
08:18:56,540 --> 08:18:58,880
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: like the best

6504
08:18:58,940 --> 08:19:00,200
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So those are the best ways in which we can

6505
08:19:00,200 --> 08:19:03,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: quantify these effects, Madam Speaker.

6506
08:19:04,100 --> 08:19:06,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, Madam Sponsor.

6507
08:19:07,720 --> 08:19:09,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: On earmarked

6508
08:19:09,040 --> 08:19:09,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: funds,

6509
08:19:10,900 --> 08:19:12,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor, Madam

6510
08:19:12,060 --> 08:19:14,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Speaker, Madam Chair,

6511
08:19:16,060 --> 08:19:16,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: from a planning

6512
08:19:16,720 --> 08:19:18,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: perspective, does DEPDEV study

6513
08:19:18,700 --> 08:19:20,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: how government handles

6514
08:19:20,360 --> 08:19:21,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: earmarked funds?

6515
08:19:25,500 --> 08:19:26,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: When the law kasi

6516
08:19:26,720 --> 08:19:28,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: earmarks revenues for a particular

6517
08:19:28,860 --> 08:19:31,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: development purpose,

6518
08:19:32,240 --> 08:19:32,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: do you compare

6519
08:19:32,980 --> 08:19:34,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the economic and social return of

6520
08:19:34,880 --> 08:19:37,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: deploying these funds

6521
08:19:37,080 --> 08:19:38,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: against the fiscal benefit

6522
08:19:38,780 --> 08:19:41,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: of national government, retaining

6523
08:19:41,040 --> 08:19:42,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the cash, reducing

6524
08:19:42,800 --> 08:19:44,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: borrowing, or using the fiscal

6525
08:19:44,920 --> 08:19:46,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: space elsewhere?

6526
08:19:49,000 --> 08:19:50,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pinitignan po ba natin ito?

6527
08:19:54,120 --> 08:19:55,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

6528
08:19:55,160 --> 08:19:57,040
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that would not be

6529
08:19:57,040 --> 08:19:58,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: under the DEPDEV's

6530
08:19:58,860 --> 08:20:00,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: mandate, though the

6531
08:20:00,800 --> 08:20:02,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DEPDEV, given that it's in charge

6532
08:20:02,960 --> 08:20:05,240
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of the macroeconomic

6533
08:20:05,240 --> 08:20:05,760
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: outlook,

6534
08:20:06,600 --> 08:20:09,040
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: would look at these challenges

6535
08:20:09,040 --> 08:20:10,900
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and also

6536
08:20:10,900 --> 08:20:13,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: these issues. But in terms

6537
08:20:13,020 --> 08:20:14,220
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of actually recommending

6538
08:20:14,220 --> 08:20:15,980
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: which particular

6539
08:20:15,980 --> 08:20:18,820
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: funding we should

6540
08:20:18,820 --> 08:20:20,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: propose for which particular sector, given that

6541
08:20:20,920 --> 08:20:23,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: there are earmarked revenues

6542
08:20:23,160 --> 08:20:24,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for that particular sector,

6543
08:20:24,960 --> 08:20:26,760
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DEPDEV doesn't have the mandate to

6544
08:20:26,760 --> 08:20:28,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: make such recommendations.

6545
08:20:28,860 --> 08:20:35,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, hindi po natin tinitignan.

6546
08:20:35,280 --> 08:20:36,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: We're not measuring this.

6547
08:20:37,920 --> 08:20:39,280
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po natin siya

6548
08:20:39,280 --> 08:20:41,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ina-assess.

6549
08:20:42,120 --> 08:20:42,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi,

6550
08:20:43,460 --> 08:20:46,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang sinasabi po

6551
08:20:46,080 --> 08:20:47,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor

6552
08:20:47,000 --> 08:20:50,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: in previous hearings,

6553
08:20:51,680 --> 08:20:53,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang sabi po sa amin

6554
08:20:53,740 --> 08:20:54,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: is cash is fungible.

6555
08:20:55,720 --> 08:20:55,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So,

6556
08:20:55,900 --> 08:20:57,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: when we use

6557
08:20:57,900 --> 08:20:58,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the earmarked

6558
08:20:58,860 --> 08:21:00,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: funds for a particular

6559
08:21:00,700 --> 08:21:01,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: purpose, for example,

6560
08:21:01,960 --> 08:21:04,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung SUF,

6561
08:21:04,560 --> 08:21:06,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: we're using yung Spectrum Users Fund.

6562
08:21:07,720 --> 08:21:08,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: At hindi po siya

6563
08:21:08,920 --> 08:21:10,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nagagamit para sa free Wi-Fi.

6564
08:21:12,640 --> 08:21:12,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Tapos,

6565
08:21:13,040 --> 08:21:14,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang dami pong areas na hindi pa rin

6566
08:21:14,840 --> 08:21:16,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: natin nalalagyan

6567
08:21:16,920 --> 08:21:18,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ng Wi-Fi. Pero,

6568
08:21:18,720 --> 08:21:20,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ginagamit yung pera at hindi siya

6569
08:21:20,820 --> 08:21:22,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nabibigay dun sa DICT

6570
08:21:22,680 --> 08:21:23,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for that purpose,

6571
08:21:25,080 --> 08:21:26,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po ba merong

6572
08:21:26,060 --> 08:21:27,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: trade-off yun?

6573
08:21:28,060 --> 08:21:28,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So,

6574
08:21:28,860 --> 08:21:29,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that is what I'm asking.

6575
08:21:30,600 --> 08:21:32,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: If we are using it

6576
08:21:32,100 --> 08:21:33,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for a particular purpose,

6577
08:21:33,300 --> 08:21:33,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: halimbawa,

6578
08:21:33,880 --> 08:21:34,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ginamit natin siya

6579
08:21:34,800 --> 08:21:36,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for another project

6580
08:21:36,720 --> 08:21:38,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: instead of

6581
08:21:38,360 --> 08:21:39,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: what it's earmarked for,

6582
08:21:42,160 --> 08:21:43,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi tayo humiram.

6583
08:21:46,960 --> 08:21:47,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero,

6584
08:21:47,880 --> 08:21:48,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang kapalit naman niya

6585
08:21:48,780 --> 08:21:49,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay yung free Wi-Fi,

6586
08:21:50,060 --> 08:21:50,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po ba dapat

6587
08:21:50,700 --> 08:21:51,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: tinitignan natin

6588
08:21:51,640 --> 08:21:53,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung ano yung trade-off?

6589
08:22:55,500 --> 08:22:56,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker,

6590
08:22:56,800 --> 08:22:58,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we recognize

6591
08:22:58,000 --> 08:22:59,300
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and we actually commend

6592
08:22:59,300 --> 08:23:01,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: our distinguished colleague for that

6593
08:23:01,020 --> 08:23:03,220
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: suggestion. We should be

6594
08:23:03,220 --> 08:23:05,500
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: looking at earmarked revenues

6595
08:23:05,500 --> 08:23:06,880
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: given that these are also

6596
08:23:06,880 --> 08:23:08,620
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: enumerated and see

6597
08:23:08,620 --> 08:23:10,820
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: which sectors have

6598
08:23:10,820 --> 08:23:12,440
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: which particular earmarked funds.

6599
08:23:13,100 --> 08:23:15,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That would be beneficial

6600
08:23:15,000 --> 08:23:17,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: in terms of the budgeting process.

6601
08:23:18,020 --> 08:23:18,740
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But

6602
08:23:18,740 --> 08:23:21,320
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: at least as of now, what DepDep does

6603
08:23:21,320 --> 08:23:22,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: is that they look at the

6604
08:23:22,960 --> 08:23:23,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: different

6605
08:23:23,340 --> 08:23:26,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: forms of legislation,

6606
08:23:26,000 --> 08:23:27,980
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: see if, for example,

6607
08:23:28,720 --> 08:23:29,320
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: a particular

6608
08:23:29,320 --> 08:23:32,760
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: earmarked fund

6609
08:23:32,760 --> 08:23:34,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: should be given

6610
08:23:34,480 --> 08:23:36,360
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: to a different sector,

6611
08:23:37,280 --> 08:23:39,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: like a sector

6612
08:23:39,020 --> 08:23:40,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that needs it more.

6613
08:23:41,600 --> 08:23:42,680
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DepDep looks

6614
08:23:42,680 --> 08:23:44,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: at that. So that's

6615
08:23:44,800 --> 08:23:45,280
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the only

6616
08:23:45,280 --> 08:23:48,740
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: flexibility that DepDep has as of the moment.

6617
08:23:48,920 --> 08:23:50,600
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Though, this is a good

6618
08:23:50,600 --> 08:23:52,640
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: suggestion on the part of

6619
08:23:52,640 --> 08:23:53,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: our good colleague.

6620
08:23:53,920 --> 08:23:55,460
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So are you saying

6621
08:23:55,460 --> 08:23:55,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that

6622
08:23:56,000 --> 08:23:57,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Sponsor

6623
08:23:57,000 --> 08:23:58,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that currently

6624
08:23:58,760 --> 08:24:00,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: before

6625
08:24:00,240 --> 08:24:02,460
Rep. Roberto Nazal: an earmarked fund is used

6626
08:24:02,460 --> 08:24:03,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for a different purpose,

6627
08:24:03,960 --> 08:24:07,250
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ini-evaluate po ng DepDev?

6628
08:24:07,260 --> 08:24:08,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung halimbawa,

6629
08:24:09,640 --> 08:24:10,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kesa na ilagay natin 'yan

6630
08:24:10,660 --> 08:24:11,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa free Wi-Fi,

6631
08:24:11,700 --> 08:24:13,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pagamit na lang sa isang sector

6632
08:24:13,700 --> 08:24:14,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: dahil kesa

6633
08:24:14,420 --> 08:24:17,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: umutang pa tayo para doon sa project na 'yon,

6634
08:24:17,620 --> 08:24:21,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ay tanggalin na lang natin

6635
08:24:21,860 --> 08:24:22,460
Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa free Wi-Fi

6636
08:24:22,460 --> 08:24:23,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: tapos ilagay natin doon sa

6637
08:24:23,960 --> 08:24:26,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung funding doon sa, ano,

6638
08:24:26,140 --> 08:24:27,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: For that particular

6639
08:24:27,800 --> 08:24:29,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: whatever purpose or other project.

6640
08:24:30,700 --> 08:24:31,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So are we saying

6641
08:24:31,940 --> 08:24:34,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that the DepDep evaluates

6642
08:24:34,580 --> 08:24:36,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: before the

6643
08:24:36,160 --> 08:24:37,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: earmarked fund is used?

6644
08:24:40,860 --> 08:24:41,540
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Not

6645
08:24:41,540 --> 08:24:43,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for earmarked revenue,

6646
08:24:44,700 --> 08:24:45,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker.

6647
08:24:45,780 --> 08:24:47,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yun po ang concern ko, Madam Sponsor.

6648
08:24:48,120 --> 08:24:50,080
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi, shouldn't we

6649
08:24:50,080 --> 08:24:52,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: be making an assessment

6650
08:24:52,160 --> 08:24:52,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: first?

6651
08:24:52,680 --> 08:24:54,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: If the

6652
08:24:54,680 --> 08:24:55,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: government,

6653
08:24:56,000 --> 08:24:58,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the intended purpose

6654
08:24:58,000 --> 08:25:00,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for why Congress earmarked

6655
08:25:00,000 --> 08:25:02,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: or why we earmarked

6656
08:25:02,000 --> 08:25:04,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the funds for that project,

6657
08:25:04,000 --> 08:25:06,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po po dapat kung

6658
08:25:06,000 --> 08:25:08,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: less important siya or less

6659
08:25:08,000 --> 08:25:10,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang economic benefit niya,

6660
08:25:10,000 --> 08:25:12,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: dun lang natin siya

6661
08:25:12,000 --> 08:25:14,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ilipat.

6662
08:25:14,000 --> 08:25:16,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi kung hindi natin ginagawa yun,

6663
08:25:16,000 --> 08:25:18,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: we might be using

6664
08:25:18,000 --> 08:25:20,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the earmarked funds for projects

6665
08:25:20,000 --> 08:25:22,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: which have less benefit to the country.

6666
08:25:26,000 --> 08:25:28,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As of now, Madam Speaker,

6667
08:25:28,000 --> 08:25:30,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: this is not a practice

6668
08:25:30,000 --> 08:25:32,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: that the DepDep is currently

6669
08:25:32,000 --> 08:25:34,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: undertaking. Though,

6670
08:25:34,000 --> 08:25:36,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: given the suggestion of the Honorable

6671
08:25:36,000 --> 08:25:38,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Nazal, the DepDep will

6672
08:25:38,000 --> 08:25:40,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: consider assessing

6673
08:25:40,000 --> 08:25:42,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: all of the earmarked revenues,

6674
08:25:42,000 --> 08:25:44,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: but just the line items.

6675
08:25:44,000 --> 08:25:46,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Because the DepDep doesn't have visibility

6676
08:25:46,000 --> 08:25:48,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: over which particular revenues

6677
08:25:48,000 --> 08:25:50,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: actually go into

6678
08:25:50,000 --> 08:25:52,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: government funds, like the pool

6679
08:25:52,000 --> 08:25:54,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: of funds that we have.

6680
08:25:54,000 --> 08:25:56,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: What I want to, um,

6681
08:25:56,000 --> 08:25:58,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: emphasize on Madam

6682
08:25:58,000 --> 08:26:00,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Sponsor is, before,

6683
08:26:00,000 --> 08:26:02,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: sana, before we do anything

6684
08:26:02,000 --> 08:26:04,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: to touch, kasi yung earmarked

6685
08:26:04,000 --> 08:26:06,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: funds, batas po yan eh.

6686
08:26:06,000 --> 08:26:08,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So we earmarked something,

6687
08:26:08,000 --> 08:26:10,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the funds for a particular purpose.

6688
08:26:10,000 --> 08:26:12,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And that purpose,

6689
08:26:12,000 --> 08:26:14,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kaya po tayo ng earmark, importante siya.

6690
08:26:14,000 --> 08:26:16,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ngayon, kung

6691
08:26:16,000 --> 08:26:18,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: gagamitin natin sa iba,

6692
08:26:18,000 --> 08:26:20,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: at the very least,

6693
08:26:20,000 --> 08:26:22,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: dapat meron po tayong procedure

6694
08:26:22,000 --> 08:26:24,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and we came up with a

6695
08:26:24,000 --> 08:26:26,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: meron tayong tamang proseso

6696
08:26:26,000 --> 08:26:28,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: in evaluating why

6697
08:26:28,000 --> 08:26:30,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: we used it. Hindi po siya

6698
08:26:30,000 --> 08:26:32,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: arbitrary. Hindi po ba?

6699
08:26:34,000 --> 08:26:36,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So kung gagamitin natin siya,

6700
08:26:36,000 --> 08:26:38,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ginamit natin for a different purpose,

6701
08:26:40,000 --> 08:26:42,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: at tatanggalin natin dun sa

6702
08:26:42,000 --> 08:26:44,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: purpose nung batas, eh

6703
08:26:44,000 --> 08:26:46,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: dapat, talagang napaka-importante

6704
08:26:46,000 --> 08:26:48,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nung proyektong yun. At mas malaki

6705
08:26:48,000 --> 08:26:50,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: talaga yung magiging benepisyon niya.

6706
08:26:50,000 --> 08:26:52,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam

6707
08:26:52,000 --> 08:26:54,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Speaker. The agency,

6708
08:26:54,000 --> 08:26:56,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the DepDep, uh,

6709
08:26:56,000 --> 08:26:58,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: takes note of the suggestion by the

6710
08:26:58,000 --> 08:27:00,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Honorable Nazal, which is a very good suggestion

6711
08:27:00,000 --> 08:27:02,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: actually. So baka po

6712
08:27:02,000 --> 08:27:04,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: we can also come up with a

6713
08:27:04,000 --> 08:27:06,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I don't know, a policy or whatever na

6714
08:27:06,000 --> 08:27:08,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yes.

6715
08:27:08,000 --> 08:27:10,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Bago po gamitin

6716
08:27:10,000 --> 08:27:12,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang any earmark, eh dapat meron

6717
08:27:12,000 --> 08:27:14,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: what do you call this,

6718
08:27:14,000 --> 08:27:16,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: merong

6719
08:27:16,000 --> 08:27:18,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: merong criteria.

6720
08:27:20,000 --> 08:27:22,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, we take note

6721
08:27:22,000 --> 08:27:24,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and we agree, Madam Speaker.

6722
08:27:26,000 --> 08:27:30,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, um,

6723
08:27:30,000 --> 08:27:32,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: let me go to my next question,

6724
08:27:32,000 --> 08:27:34,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair. Sa

6725
08:27:34,000 --> 08:27:36,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: PhilHealth po,

6726
08:27:36,000 --> 08:27:38,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: magkano exactly ang sin tax

6727
08:27:38,000 --> 08:27:40,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: revenues earmarked for PhilHealth

6728
08:27:40,000 --> 08:27:42,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that remain unremitted

6729
08:27:42,000 --> 08:27:44,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: or unavailable to PhilHealth today?

6730
08:27:44,000 --> 08:27:46,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can you please give us

6731
08:27:46,000 --> 08:27:48,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the balance by year?

6732
08:27:48,000 --> 08:27:50,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, that

6733
08:27:50,000 --> 08:27:52,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: would be under the Department of

6734
08:27:52,000 --> 08:27:54,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Finance. Okay,

6735
08:27:54,000 --> 08:27:56,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kaya ako po tinatanong yan, kasi

6736
08:27:56,000 --> 08:27:58,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: from a DepDep perspective,

6737
08:27:58,000 --> 08:28:00,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: do you compute the economic cost

6738
08:28:00,000 --> 08:28:02,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: of delaying

6739
08:28:02,000 --> 08:28:04,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: those funds being remitted to PhilHealth?

6740
08:28:04,000 --> 08:28:06,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi,

6741
08:28:06,000 --> 08:28:08,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung may sakit po, di ba?

6742
08:28:08,000 --> 08:28:10,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung ating mga taong

6743
08:28:10,000 --> 08:28:12,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: may sakit, for example, hindi sila

6744
08:28:12,000 --> 08:28:14,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nagiging productive. Ngayon, kung merong

6745
08:28:14,000 --> 08:28:16,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kung sila

6746
08:28:16,000 --> 08:28:18,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: naman ay kailangan nilang gastusin

6747
08:28:18,000 --> 08:28:20,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: yung pera na iyon para sa

6748
08:28:20,000 --> 08:28:22,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kanilang pagpapagamot,

6749
08:28:22,000 --> 08:28:24,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ito po ay pera na pwede

6750
08:28:24,000 --> 08:28:26,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: naman po nilang gamitin para

6751
08:28:26,000 --> 08:28:28,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pang hanap buhay or pang negosyo.

6752
08:28:28,000 --> 08:28:30,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So,

6753
08:28:30,000 --> 08:28:32,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that is the reason why

6754
08:28:32,000 --> 08:28:34,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'm asking, kasi

6755
08:28:34,000 --> 08:28:36,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: dapat po tinitignan din natin ito, because

6756
08:28:36,000 --> 08:28:38,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: sabi nga nila,

6757
08:28:38,000 --> 08:28:40,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: health is wealth. Hindi po ba?

6758
08:28:40,000 --> 08:28:42,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

6759
08:28:42,000 --> 08:28:44,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The

6760
08:28:44,000 --> 08:28:46,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Good Secretary assures that if there are

6761
08:28:46,000 --> 08:28:48,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: requests for

6762
08:28:48,000 --> 08:28:50,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for example, for the

6763
08:28:50,000 --> 08:28:52,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: study or the assessment of

6764
08:28:52,000 --> 08:28:54,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: these types of issues,

6765
08:28:54,000 --> 08:28:56,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: then the DepDep can

6766
08:28:56,000 --> 08:28:58,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: conduct studies on it.

6767
08:28:58,000 --> 08:29:00,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So,

6768
08:29:00,000 --> 08:29:02,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ito po ang nais kong

6769
08:29:02,000 --> 08:29:04,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: tingnan nyo rin po.

6770
08:29:04,000 --> 08:29:06,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Efficient healthcare

6771
08:29:06,000 --> 08:29:08,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: frees household income.

6772
08:29:08,000 --> 08:29:10,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung hindi kailangan ubusin ng

6773
08:29:10,000 --> 08:29:12,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pamilya ang savings nila sa hospitalization,

6774
08:29:12,000 --> 08:29:14,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that money can

6775
08:29:14,000 --> 08:29:16,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: go to education, housing, business,

6776
08:29:16,000 --> 08:29:18,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: investment, or consumption

6777
08:29:18,000 --> 08:29:20,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that makes the economy move.

6778
08:29:20,000 --> 08:29:22,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ang tanong po natin is

6779
08:29:22,000 --> 08:29:24,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: do we quantify

6780
08:29:24,000 --> 08:29:26,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the effect of inadequate

6781
08:29:26,000 --> 08:29:28,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: healthcare financing

6782
08:29:28,000 --> 08:29:30,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: on out-of-pocket spending,

6783
08:29:30,000 --> 08:29:32,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: household savings,

6784
08:29:32,000 --> 08:29:34,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: consumption, productivity,

6785
08:29:34,000 --> 08:29:36,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and economic growth?

6786
08:29:48,000 --> 08:29:50,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: May time, please.

6787
08:29:54,000 --> 08:29:56,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

6788
08:29:56,000 --> 08:29:58,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you.

6789
08:30:00,000 --> 08:30:12,880
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the Philippine Institute of Development Studies has a health economics program.

6790
08:30:13,740 --> 08:30:18,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: There are multiple studies that they are conducting with regards to this issue.

6791
08:30:19,720 --> 08:30:24,700
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The agency, the DepDev, will be happy to furnish copies to our distinguished colleagues.

6792
08:30:26,080 --> 08:30:29,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for that, Madam Chair, Madam Sponsor.

6793
08:30:30,680 --> 08:30:35,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: My next question is, kasi ito po, magkakadugtong po ito eh, so please bear with me.

6794
08:30:37,100 --> 08:30:42,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do you also compare the economic cost against whatever the national government gains?

6795
08:30:42,980 --> 08:30:44,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi po, dinidelay natin yung pondo.

6796
08:30:45,280 --> 08:30:52,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, most likely, because cash is fungible, we are using it elsewhere instead of dinadala natin sa PhilHealth.

6797
08:30:53,600 --> 08:30:56,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, do we compute?

6798
08:30:58,720 --> 08:30:59,980
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do we compare the economic cost?

6799
08:31:00,000 --> 08:31:09,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Do we compare the economic cost against whatever the national government gains by retaining the money, reducing borrowing, or using the fiscal space elsewhere?

6800
08:32:15,430 --> 08:32:26,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the PIDS and also the other attachments that will see the records if we have assessments of these trade-offs.

6801
08:32:26,000 --> 08:32:30,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you. Thank you for that. Sana po tignan natin kasi napaka-importante.

6802
08:32:31,420 --> 08:32:34,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay, let me move to my next question on the HEDF.

6803
08:32:35,540 --> 08:32:40,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, magkano exactly ang HEDF balance still with the Bureau of Treasury?

6804
08:32:41,540 --> 08:32:45,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Would we know that? Meron po ba tayong details on that?

6805
08:32:46,720 --> 08:32:49,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Can we repeat the abbreviation, Madam Speaker?

6806
08:32:51,080 --> 08:32:54,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Magkano exactly ang HEDF balance?

6807
08:32:55,280 --> 08:32:55,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay.

6808
08:32:55,640 --> 08:32:57,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Still with the Bureau of Treasury?

6809
08:32:58,960 --> 08:32:59,220
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Oh.

6810
08:32:59,880 --> 08:33:01,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ito po yung sa CHED.

6811
08:33:02,260 --> 08:33:04,660
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That would be under the DOF, Madam Speaker.

6812
08:33:05,260 --> 08:33:08,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: No, the reason why I'm asking is because

6813
08:33:08,540 --> 08:33:18,680
Rep. Roberto Nazal: RA 7722 says CHED shall appoint a reputable government financial institution as portfolio manager for the HEDF.

6814
08:33:19,260 --> 08:33:20,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yun po yung Republic Act.

6815
08:33:20,720 --> 08:33:25,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yet the funds were transferred to Treasury pursuant to E0338.

6816
08:33:25,640 --> 08:33:29,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: An executive order cannot supersede a law passed by Congress.

6817
08:33:30,720 --> 08:33:35,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ang tanong po, why is the government allowing this apparent violation of the law to continue?

6818
08:33:36,440 --> 08:33:42,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Is this fiscal convenience because the national government needs the money elsewhere or wants to reduce borrowing?

6819
08:33:45,920 --> 08:33:51,400
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the Bureau of Treasury is an attached agency of the Department of Finance.

6820
08:33:51,400 --> 08:33:57,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: The reason why this is important, Madam Chair, distinguished sponsor,

6821
08:33:58,300 --> 08:34:02,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: has DEPDev computed whether that is actually a better economic decision?

6822
08:34:03,460 --> 08:34:04,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi parang ang nangyari po,

6823
08:34:04,860 --> 08:34:09,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: iniwan natin, kaysa sa nasa CHED po yung pera,

6824
08:34:09,760 --> 08:34:14,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: managed by a private institution, ang ginawa po,

6825
08:34:14,760 --> 08:34:19,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nag-issue po tayo ng executive order, tapos nilagay po natin sa Bureau of Treasury.

6826
08:34:20,140 --> 08:34:22,260
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ang nangyayari po, CHED,

6827
08:34:22,260 --> 08:34:29,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po nababayaran ng CHED yung mga obligasyon niya sa mga state universities.

6828
08:34:31,340 --> 08:34:34,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ngayon, meron pong economic effect yan.

6829
08:34:34,200 --> 08:34:35,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano yung economic effect niyan?

6830
08:34:36,280 --> 08:34:42,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi po nabibigyan ng, maraming hindi na-accommodate na college scholars

6831
08:34:42,180 --> 08:34:51,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: or students yung mga SUCs kasi yung pera ng CHED nasa Bureau of Treasury.

6832
08:34:51,840 --> 08:34:54,960
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Honorable Nazal, please wrap up.

6833
08:34:56,120 --> 08:35:03,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, that's something lang po na I would like to, for health, for education, sana po na mamesure din po natin.

6834
08:35:04,180 --> 08:35:13,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Let me go to my next, Madam Chair, does the DEV-DEV set a long-term objective towards a balanced budget?

6835
08:35:14,760 --> 08:35:21,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Meron po ba tayong long-term plan na eventually, tinitignan po natin, we will achieve a balanced budget?

6836
08:35:21,840 --> 08:35:24,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Are we gunning for that?

6837
08:35:25,120 --> 08:35:31,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi po, pataas ng pataas ang utang natin, while at the same time, marami tayong appropriations na hindi nagagamit.

6838
08:35:32,420 --> 08:35:37,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Are we borrowing partly to support a level of appropriations that government cannot even implement?

6839
08:35:42,020 --> 08:35:48,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, well, at least on the part of DEV-DEV, in terms of a balanced budget,

6840
08:35:48,080 --> 08:35:51,360
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it just assesses the macroeconomic outlook.

6841
08:35:51,840 --> 08:35:54,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It gives the recommendation to the DBCC.

6842
08:35:55,120 --> 08:36:02,540
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But in terms of balanced budget in prioritizing critical sectors, that's something that the DEV-DEV does.

6843
08:36:03,380 --> 08:36:09,240
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It also assesses our compliance to sustainable development goals.

6844
08:36:09,860 --> 08:36:18,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That's one way in which we can prioritize critical sectors in health, in education, and all of the related sectors.

6845
08:36:19,920 --> 08:36:21,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: The reason why I'm asking,

6846
08:36:21,120 --> 08:36:22,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: asking this,

6847
08:36:22,240 --> 08:36:25,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: kasi wala po ba tayong end goal in sight?

6848
08:36:25,060 --> 08:36:26,400
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Your time has ended already.

6849
08:36:26,480 --> 08:36:28,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Just, almost done, ma'am.

6850
08:36:28,960 --> 08:36:29,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Almost done.

6851
08:36:30,120 --> 08:36:33,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, because I understand that deficits can make sense.

6852
08:36:33,580 --> 08:36:35,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kasi right now, we're deficit spending.

6853
08:36:36,120 --> 08:36:39,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: If we borrow for productive investments that generate growth,

6854
08:36:39,760 --> 08:36:43,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: but if we borrow and the money cannot be implemented effectively,

6855
08:36:44,320 --> 08:36:47,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: doesn't that weaken the justification for additional debt?

6856
08:36:47,040 --> 08:36:49,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, yun po ang isa sa gusto kong tingnan.

6857
08:36:49,780 --> 08:36:50,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Secondly,

6858
08:36:51,120 --> 08:36:55,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: has DEV-DEV modeled what level of deficit is actually optimal for the Philippines?

6859
08:36:56,700 --> 08:37:02,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And what would it take eventually to balance the budget without damaging growth and essential services?

6860
08:37:02,740 --> 08:37:04,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, wala po ba tayong long-term plan?

6861
08:37:14,840 --> 08:37:21,100
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DEV-DEV is involved with at least the revisions and updating of the medium-term fiscal framework.

6862
08:37:21,120 --> 08:37:26,900
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, these are challenges and issues that the DEV-DEV also considers.

6863
08:37:27,700 --> 08:37:28,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, okay. Thank you.

6864
08:37:29,020 --> 08:37:34,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Madam Chair, just a quick manifestation to end my interpolation.

6865
08:37:35,500 --> 08:37:37,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Planning should not stop with setting targets.

6866
08:37:38,720 --> 08:37:43,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: For me, DEV-DEV should also know what is preventing government from implementing them,

6867
08:37:44,200 --> 08:37:46,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: what that failure costs the economy,

6868
08:37:46,820 --> 08:37:49,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and what government needs to do to fix it.

6869
08:37:49,800 --> 08:37:50,960
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Every decision,

6870
08:37:50,960 --> 08:37:51,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: to spend,

6871
08:37:51,680 --> 08:37:52,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: has a cost.

6872
08:37:52,940 --> 08:37:54,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: But every decision not to spend

6873
08:37:54,700 --> 08:37:56,040
Rep. Roberto Nazal: or to delay spending

6874
08:37:56,040 --> 08:37:57,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: also has a cost.

6875
08:37:58,200 --> 08:38:02,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I hope DEV-DEV will be much more proactive in monitoring the spending

6876
08:38:02,560 --> 08:38:06,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and implementation performance of our agencies,

6877
08:38:06,840 --> 08:38:08,520
Rep. Roberto Nazal: identifying bottlenecks early

6878
08:38:08,520 --> 08:38:11,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and recommending to both the Executive and Congress

6879
08:38:11,240 --> 08:38:12,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: what needs to be done

6880
08:38:12,480 --> 08:38:16,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: before these problems translate into slower growth.

6881
08:38:16,360 --> 08:38:17,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Madam Chair.

6882
08:38:18,240 --> 08:38:18,940
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: [unclear] Leader.

6883
08:38:26,710 --> 08:38:28,300
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Madam Speaker,

6884
08:38:28,760 --> 08:38:30,200
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: may we recognize

6885
08:38:30,200 --> 08:38:32,540
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the Honorable Antonio Tinio

6886
08:38:32,540 --> 08:38:35,080
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: of ACT Teachers Party-list

6887
08:38:35,080 --> 08:38:36,200
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: for his interpellation.

6888
08:38:36,680 --> 08:38:38,580
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: Honorable Antonio Tinio

6889
08:38:38,580 --> 08:38:40,980
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: of ACT Teachers Party-list

6890
08:38:40,980 --> 08:38:41,520
Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas: is recognized.

6891
08:38:48,440 --> 08:38:49,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you.

6892
08:38:49,380 --> 08:38:50,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

6893
08:38:50,940 --> 08:39:11,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Speaker, sponsor, kanina ang mga tanong po natin ay kinalaman sa debt, papalaking utang, papalaking ring deficit spending at sinabi natin na saan napunta yung inutang.

6894
08:39:11,320 --> 08:39:37,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pinakita rin natin yung utang ang nagpondos at nag-enable sa pambihirang paglobo ng pork infrastructure, notably flood control, and pork ayuda, yung maifip, tupad, aiks, among others.

6895
08:39:37,820 --> 08:39:45,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Only possible because umutang tayo ng malaki.

6896
08:39:45,880 --> 08:40:05,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Ngayon, let's talk about yung regional allocation ng spending.

6897
08:40:06,460 --> 08:40:07,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Paano nahahati?

6898
08:40:07,820 --> 08:40:20,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan. Okay. So, kaya may kinalaman pa rin ito sa dev-dev, diba? Okay. Regional development. Okay.

6899
08:40:21,560 --> 08:40:26,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright. So, I think I have some slides as well. Meron ba?

6900
08:40:31,360 --> 08:40:32,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Slides po. Yeah.

6901
08:40:32,760 --> 08:40:36,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ito pa ang number one natin? Okay.

6902
08:40:36,900 --> 08:40:39,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Parang hindi yan yung number one slide natin. Okay.

6903
08:40:43,840 --> 08:41:01,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nabalita, na-report sa balita, no? When the former DPWH Secretary Bonoan, diba? Testified in a plunder case, diba? Kaugnay sa flood control, he mentioned, sabi niya, there was such a thing.

6904
08:41:01,360 --> 08:41:06,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: During the first three years of this administration, there was such a thing.

6905
08:41:06,900 --> 08:41:12,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: As a leadership fund, yun na sabi niya. Leadership fund sa DPWH.

6906
08:41:12,040 --> 08:41:30,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ibig sabihin, merong parang centralized, no? Central office na pondo for infrastructure. Infrastructure funding na centrally managed. Okay.

6907
08:41:30,140 --> 08:41:34,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: As distinct from yung nasa mga region.

6908
08:41:34,520 --> 08:41:37,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa mga district engineering offices.

6909
08:41:38,580 --> 08:41:49,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sabi niya, well, sino yung nakinabang dyan? Sabi niya, as reported, lahat daw ng mga senador in the previous congress, they all partook of this leadership fund.

6910
08:41:49,940 --> 08:41:53,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Ano pa yung nasa slide natin? Next slide.

6911
08:41:54,300 --> 08:41:57,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kalimutan ko na yung laman ng presentation, eh. Next slide.

6912
08:41:57,020 --> 08:41:58,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6913
08:41:58,500 --> 08:41:58,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6914
08:41:59,580 --> 08:42:04,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And so, if you do look at the 2026...

6915
08:42:04,520 --> 08:42:15,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2027 budget of... proposed budget of DPWH, you'll notice 80% talaga centrally managed.

6916
08:42:16,360 --> 08:42:16,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

6917
08:42:17,220 --> 08:42:20,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Centrally managed as against yung directly nasa region.

6918
08:42:21,320 --> 08:42:27,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 80% of their capital outlay budget is in the central office.

6919
08:42:28,180 --> 08:42:29,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Next slide.

6920
08:42:29,960 --> 08:42:31,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di na natin iti-detalye.

6921
08:42:31,060 --> 08:42:34,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then if you zoom in even further,

6922
08:42:34,520 --> 08:42:46,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kung tignan natin yung flood control, gano'n din in distribution, central office, pero broken down pa rin into regions yan, ha?

6923
08:42:46,620 --> 08:43:01,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Central office ay may malaking 80% as well is in the central office and then yung regions, yung nasa baba, are 20%.

6924
08:43:01,080 --> 08:43:01,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Gano'n.

6925
08:43:02,360 --> 08:43:02,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6926
08:43:03,640 --> 08:43:04,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6927
08:43:04,240 --> 08:43:24,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, parang ganito, in terms of number of projects, 1,255 of the projects are centrally managed, distributed sa region, yung directly nasa district engineering offices are 100...

6928
08:43:24,120 --> 08:43:24,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6929
08:43:24,660 --> 08:43:33,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No, actually, number of DEOs with flood control projects, 112 of 199.

6930
08:43:34,240 --> 08:43:44,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, actually, hindi lahat ng mga district engineering offices merong flood control projects.

6931
08:43:45,820 --> 08:43:48,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And baka sabihin nyo, well, hindi naman siguro lahat, binabaha.

6932
08:43:49,900 --> 08:43:52,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But if you will notice, kung titignan mo yan, merong blanco.

6933
08:43:52,800 --> 08:44:02,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: For example, you look at that column, region 11, that's Davao region, blanco.

6934
08:44:02,560 --> 08:44:03,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Blanco, blanco.

6935
08:44:03,420 --> 08:44:07,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yung district engineering offices doon, walang flood control projects.

6936
08:44:08,460 --> 08:44:13,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, parang sabihin nyo, but ganun, binabaha naman sa Davao, pero wala sila.

6937
08:44:14,360 --> 08:44:17,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa central office, meron for them.

6938
08:44:17,300 --> 08:44:17,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6939
08:44:18,380 --> 08:44:19,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: What's the point here?

6940
08:44:19,340 --> 08:44:23,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The point nga is yung allocation.

6941
08:44:23,980 --> 08:44:24,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

6942
08:44:24,360 --> 08:44:26,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung allocation ng mga pondo.

6943
08:44:27,640 --> 08:44:31,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ginawa lang natin example yung sa DPWH.

6944
08:44:32,000 --> 08:44:32,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6945
08:44:32,280 --> 08:44:32,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6946
08:44:33,420 --> 08:44:37,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano ba yung next slide natin?

6947
08:44:41,740 --> 08:44:42,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Can I see the next slide?

6948
08:44:46,400 --> 08:44:46,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I don't know.

6949
08:44:47,040 --> 08:44:47,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6950
08:44:48,000 --> 08:44:48,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright.

6951
08:44:48,420 --> 08:44:58,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The question here is, usually, this is the NEP.

6952
08:44:58,460 --> 08:44:59,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: This is the NEP.

6953
08:44:59,180 --> 08:45:00,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And in the...

6954
08:45:00,000 --> 08:45:15,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, from the point of view, lalo na of district representatives, kasabihin nila, mukhang hindi equitable ang allocation ng infrastructure budget.

6955
08:45:15,660 --> 08:45:34,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But ganun, may mga marami na sa central office, tapos ito nga, as you can see here, in the case of one program, only 112 of 199 district engineering offices have projects.

6956
08:45:34,160 --> 08:45:45,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, so my question actually, the question is more addressed to the Committee on Appropriations rather than DepDev actually.

6957
08:45:45,660 --> 08:46:06,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Will Congress entertain and incorporate amendments to address such gaps in the allocation of infrastructure?

6958
08:46:06,700 --> 08:46:15,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ibig sabihin, tatanggap ba ang kongresong ito at magpapasok ng mga, let's call them, congressional amendments?

6959
08:46:15,660 --> 08:46:32,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Commendments to the NEP to address these, pwedeng sabihin, the inequity, the regional inequity in allocation.

6960
08:46:35,640 --> 08:46:36,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan ang tanong.

6961
08:46:45,660 --> 08:46:50,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tigil po muna, o, tigil po muna.

6962
08:46:51,380 --> 08:46:52,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tigil po muna.

6963
08:46:53,080 --> 08:46:53,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker.

6964
08:46:53,800 --> 08:46:54,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Top the clock.

6965
08:46:55,520 --> 08:46:55,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Ayaw.

6966
08:46:57,040 --> 08:47:15,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, at least on the part of the DepDev, the DepDev has been closely coordinating with the DBM in terms of enhancing at least the planning stages and the proposals of the projects that are needed.

6967
08:47:15,660 --> 08:47:20,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Like the strategic investments needed for infrastructure projects.

6968
08:47:21,300 --> 08:47:21,540
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Alright.

6969
08:47:21,800 --> 08:47:24,640
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, at least on the part of DepDev, that is the...

6970
08:47:24,640 --> 08:47:31,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yeah, as I understand, supposedly in the preparation of the NEP, the DepDev is involved, is that correct?

6971
08:47:32,880 --> 08:47:40,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In the, at the, from starting at the RDC level, Regional Development Council level, is that correct?

6972
08:47:41,200 --> 08:47:42,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

6973
08:47:42,160 --> 08:47:43,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, so involved dun.

6974
08:47:44,000 --> 08:47:44,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

6975
08:47:44,140 --> 08:47:44,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

6976
08:47:44,620 --> 08:47:45,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At actually, ang paliwanag,

6977
08:47:45,640 --> 08:47:51,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa akin, during the budget briefings, ang mga nasama daw sa NEP, yung dumaan sa mga RDC.

6978
08:47:52,540 --> 08:47:52,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

6979
08:47:53,900 --> 08:48:04,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kung yung mga sabi dito, kung merong mga halimbawa, districts na wala o kulang, hindi sila nakahabol dun.

6980
08:48:05,540 --> 08:48:06,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6981
08:48:07,300 --> 08:48:09,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, pero, yung ang tanong ko nga, paano yung mga yun?

6982
08:48:10,920 --> 08:48:14,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Will this Congress, no?

6983
08:48:14,060 --> 08:48:15,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In this gap.

6984
08:48:15,640 --> 08:48:28,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Will it incorporate yung mga proposed amendment to address these gaps?

6985
08:48:30,540 --> 08:48:33,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Particularly in the case of public infrastructure.

6986
08:48:33,260 --> 08:48:37,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kahit hindi na dumaan dun sa proseso ng RDC.

6987
08:48:38,540 --> 08:48:40,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, tatanggapin ba ng Kongreso?

6988
08:48:40,780 --> 08:48:43,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: As I said, the question is more addressed to Congress itself.

6989
08:48:44,440 --> 08:48:44,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

6990
08:48:45,640 --> 08:48:47,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, that's the question.

6991
08:48:47,880 --> 08:48:51,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, I'm asking actually, the Vice Chair of the Committee on Appropriation.

6992
08:48:53,780 --> 08:48:57,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, as the Budget Sponsor of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development,

6993
08:48:58,080 --> 08:49:07,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: I can only speak for the involvement of the DEP-DEV in terms of proposing infrastructure projects on the regional level.

6994
08:49:07,620 --> 08:49:07,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

6995
08:49:09,100 --> 08:49:09,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: All right.

6996
08:49:10,380 --> 08:49:10,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sige.

6997
08:49:11,240 --> 08:49:12,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ready na.

6998
08:49:12,020 --> 08:49:13,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The next...

6999
08:49:13,780 --> 08:49:14,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next...

7000
08:49:15,640 --> 08:49:19,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next slide po.

7001
08:49:19,620 --> 08:49:20,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next slide.

7002
08:49:20,980 --> 08:49:21,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tubos oras natin.

7003
08:49:22,480 --> 08:49:22,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7004
08:49:23,760 --> 08:49:37,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, historically, if I may, if we go by yung kasaysayan ng budget, historically, nangyayari yun.

7005
08:49:38,620 --> 08:49:38,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7006
08:49:38,780 --> 08:49:41,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: From the NEP, no?

7007
08:49:41,620 --> 08:49:48,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Biglang magpapasok ng mga proyekto, particular for infrastructure.

7008
08:49:49,400 --> 08:49:50,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: That happened.

7009
08:49:51,160 --> 08:49:56,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, from the NEP, you get the approved general appropriations bill.

7010
08:49:56,860 --> 08:50:00,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And there, yung mga deficiencies na sinabi natin, mapupunuan yan.

7011
08:50:01,860 --> 08:50:03,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, historically, nangyayari yun.

7012
08:50:04,060 --> 08:50:05,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, in order to be able to do that,

7013
08:50:05,780 --> 08:50:11,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in order to be able to do that, alam naman natin, since there's a fixed ceiling,

7014
08:50:11,620 --> 08:50:13,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: on the budget, diba?

7015
08:50:13,400 --> 08:50:15,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In this case, it's 7.2 trillion.

7016
08:50:16,720 --> 08:50:17,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kailangan may pagkunan.

7017
08:50:18,120 --> 08:50:21,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Para madagdagan mo yung DPWH, kailangan may bawasan ka from somewhere.

7018
08:50:22,920 --> 08:50:23,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Correct?

7019
08:50:23,980 --> 08:50:25,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, what does this table show?

7020
08:50:25,600 --> 08:50:33,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: This table shows, historically, saan yung mga pinakalaking, malaking binawasan?

7021
08:50:34,360 --> 08:50:35,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Para makapagdagdag.

7022
08:50:36,620 --> 08:50:36,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

7023
08:50:38,120 --> 08:50:40,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Informally, this is referred to as source.

7024
08:50:40,560 --> 08:50:41,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano yung ginagawang source?

7025
08:50:41,620 --> 08:50:42,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Source ng funding.

7026
08:50:43,020 --> 08:50:44,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course, that's incorrect, no?

7027
08:50:44,860 --> 08:50:45,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, source.

7028
08:50:46,240 --> 08:50:57,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, pakita natin, historically, ang isang favorite source ng Kongreso ay the DOTR, Foreign Assisted Project.

7029
08:50:58,840 --> 08:51:02,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And, of course, DepDEP may kinalaman kasi silang nag-a-approve dyan, eh.

7030
08:51:02,560 --> 08:51:02,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama ba?

7031
08:51:03,840 --> 08:51:08,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung mga flagship DOTR projects.

7032
08:51:08,500 --> 08:51:11,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: San yung may kinalaman sa DepDEP yung tanong ko?

7033
08:51:11,620 --> 08:51:11,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

7034
08:51:12,500 --> 08:51:15,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, nakita po natin dito.

7035
08:51:16,140 --> 08:51:19,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, again, you will notice a pattern.

7036
08:51:20,280 --> 08:51:22,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016, we only went back as far as 2016.

7037
08:51:24,460 --> 08:51:33,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nakita natin nun, ang kalakaran, kung ano yung pinroposed na DOTR, Foreign Assisted Project, yun din ang in-approve ng Kongreso sa GAA.

7038
08:51:33,380 --> 08:51:33,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

7039
08:51:34,120 --> 08:51:34,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7040
08:51:34,380 --> 08:51:35,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2016, that was the case.

7041
08:51:36,340 --> 08:51:36,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2017.

7042
08:51:38,700 --> 08:51:39,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2018.

7043
08:51:39,340 --> 08:51:43,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Medyo, dito na nagsimula yung pattern.

7044
08:51:44,580 --> 08:51:49,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: May pinroposed, tapos, kalahati lang ang in-approve sa GAA.

7045
08:51:50,900 --> 08:51:51,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7046
08:51:51,120 --> 08:51:59,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But then, we see that pattern on a larger scale, no?

7047
08:51:59,500 --> 08:52:02,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Starting 2020 up to 2026.

7048
08:52:02,900 --> 08:52:04,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano po nakita natin?

7049
08:52:05,220 --> 08:52:07,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Partikular sa DOTR, Foreign Assisted Projects.

7050
08:52:08,020 --> 08:52:09,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung mga DOTR, Foreign Assisted Projects.

7051
08:52:09,340 --> 08:52:15,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan yung mga railway, North-North-South Railway, Subway, and so on.

7052
08:52:15,620 --> 08:52:15,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

7053
08:52:15,860 --> 08:52:17,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mga mainly, these are rail projects.

7054
08:52:18,280 --> 08:52:19,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nangyari?

7055
08:52:19,480 --> 08:52:22,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Starting, especially in 2020, as you can see.

7056
08:52:23,120 --> 08:52:23,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7057
08:52:27,000 --> 08:52:27,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan.

7058
08:52:28,140 --> 08:52:28,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nakita nyo.

7059
08:52:29,060 --> 08:52:32,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2020, the proposed was 101 billion.

7060
08:52:33,620 --> 08:52:38,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, the approved was only, was 46% below the proposal.

7061
08:52:38,360 --> 08:52:38,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

7062
08:52:39,340 --> 08:52:45,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And then, if you go to the 2024, talagang ito yung pinaka-extreme.

7063
08:52:46,720 --> 08:52:51,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ito rin yung, it's no coincidence, ito rin yung may pinakamalaking flood control.

7064
08:52:52,220 --> 08:52:55,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At may pinakamalaking dagdag sa ayuda.

7065
08:52:56,420 --> 08:52:57,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pinakita ko kanina, no?

7066
08:52:57,820 --> 08:52:58,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, tignan nyo.

7067
08:52:59,100 --> 08:53:03,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang proposed for Foreign Assisted Projects was 161 billion.

7068
08:53:04,100 --> 08:53:08,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang in-approved was only 3.5 billion.

7069
08:53:08,760 --> 08:53:08,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7070
08:53:08,820 --> 08:53:11,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang in-approved was only 98% below the proposal.

7071
08:53:12,840 --> 08:53:13,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay?

7072
08:53:14,780 --> 08:53:15,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7073
08:53:15,320 --> 08:53:16,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ganun ang pattern.

7074
08:53:16,360 --> 08:53:20,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon, I ask this because in 2027, malaki.

7075
08:53:20,780 --> 08:53:24,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Napakalaki nung, napakalaki nung Foreign Assisted.

7076
08:53:26,400 --> 08:53:27,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 232 billion.

7077
08:53:27,720 --> 08:53:30,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, my question is, will this happen again?

7078
08:53:31,580 --> 08:53:31,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7079
08:53:31,700 --> 08:53:37,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang laki-laki ng pinroposed for DOTR, DOTR Foreign Assisted Projects.

7080
08:53:37,700 --> 08:53:42,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos sa GAA, 2% lang pala yung ma-approve.

7081
08:53:43,380 --> 08:53:43,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7082
08:53:43,940 --> 08:53:46,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, anong epekto pagka ganun?

7083
08:53:47,520 --> 08:53:51,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sa DepDev, ano yung epekto pagka ganun ang ginagawa ng Kongreso?

7084
08:53:53,680 --> 08:53:58,700
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, going back to what was mentioned a while ago,

7085
08:53:59,080 --> 08:54:02,400
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: given the delays in public infrastructure spending,

7086
08:54:02,400 --> 08:54:05,900
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: if we implemented those in a timely manner,

7087
08:54:06,040 --> 08:54:07,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we would have grown.

7088
08:54:07,700 --> 08:54:09,240
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: One percentage point higher.

7089
08:54:09,760 --> 08:54:14,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, that's one estimate that the DepDev has.

7090
08:54:15,380 --> 08:54:18,360
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But in terms of the DOTR projects,

7091
08:54:19,680 --> 08:54:22,900
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: like the DepDev only has purview over the IFPs.

7092
08:54:23,880 --> 08:54:27,900
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: So, there are 60 IFPs for DOTR.

7093
08:54:28,900 --> 08:54:31,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: If it's okay with our distinguished colleague,

7094
08:54:31,100 --> 08:54:34,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: we can give a copy as well as the status of these projects.

7095
08:54:35,600 --> 08:54:37,620
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Or I can enumerate if we're good.

7096
08:54:37,700 --> 08:54:39,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If my colleague wants.

7097
08:54:40,080 --> 08:54:40,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7098
08:54:40,960 --> 08:54:41,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, I am told...

7099
08:54:42,700 --> 08:54:44,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam Chair, baka pwedeng...

7100
08:54:45,260 --> 08:54:50,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: May tanong lang po ako sa regarding the parliamentary status.

7101
08:54:53,100 --> 08:54:55,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: If I may ask first,

7102
08:54:55,960 --> 08:54:57,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwede mo matigil lang po yung oras?

7103
08:55:01,000 --> 08:55:02,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayaw, itigil yung oras.

7104
08:55:03,100 --> 08:55:07,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No, I am told that now the interpolation will include both...

7105
08:55:07,700 --> 08:55:10,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: DepDev and DBM?

7106
08:55:11,140 --> 08:55:11,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ganun po ba yun?

7107
08:55:15,140 --> 08:55:15,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7108
08:55:15,700 --> 08:55:15,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: O hindi.

7109
08:55:16,480 --> 08:55:19,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: You are not defending DBM budget.

7110
08:55:19,980 --> 08:55:20,960
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Just the DepDev budget.

7111
08:55:21,020 --> 08:55:21,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ah, DepDev budget.

7112
08:55:22,100 --> 08:55:22,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, it's clear.

7113
08:55:22,900 --> 08:55:23,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you.

7114
08:55:23,620 --> 08:55:24,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you.

7115
08:55:24,720 --> 08:55:24,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright.

7116
08:55:25,680 --> 08:55:25,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright.

7117
08:55:26,240 --> 08:55:28,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano po nangyayari?

7118
08:55:28,140 --> 08:55:30,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, obviously, pagka hindi pinunduhan,

7119
08:55:30,680 --> 08:55:33,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: hindi ma-implement.

7120
08:55:33,280 --> 08:55:33,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po.

7121
08:55:34,780 --> 08:55:35,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7122
08:55:36,240 --> 08:55:36,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: However,

7123
08:55:36,480 --> 08:55:38,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: meron akong question dyan

7124
08:55:38,480 --> 08:55:38,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: because

7125
08:55:38,980 --> 08:55:41,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in the NEP,

7126
08:55:42,360 --> 08:55:44,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung mga foreign-assisted projects na ganyan,

7127
08:55:45,800 --> 08:55:47,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: they are tied to specific loans.

7128
08:55:48,320 --> 08:55:48,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba?

7129
08:55:49,060 --> 08:55:50,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Perfected loans.

7130
08:55:50,500 --> 08:55:50,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Correct?

7131
08:55:52,380 --> 08:55:52,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Correct?

7132
08:55:53,020 --> 08:55:53,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba?

7133
08:55:55,420 --> 08:55:56,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung nasa NEP,

7134
08:55:57,640 --> 08:55:59,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: na foreign-assisted project ng DOTR,

7135
08:56:00,600 --> 08:56:03,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: meron ng loan agreement yun.

7136
08:56:04,320 --> 08:56:04,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama?

7137
08:56:04,480 --> 08:56:05,040
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Tama?

7138
08:56:06,480 --> 08:56:09,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Not all projects, Madam Speaker.

7139
08:56:10,540 --> 08:56:18,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But most IFPs for foreign-assisted would be tied to official development assistance loans.

7140
08:56:18,480 --> 08:56:22,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, as a general rule, yung nilalagay sa NEP, yun ay yung meron ng loan na.

7141
08:56:22,600 --> 08:56:23,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sigurado na, nandyan na.

7142
08:56:23,720 --> 08:56:27,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi yung mag-ne-negotiate pa lang kami, lalagay na namin sa NEP.

7143
08:56:27,520 --> 08:56:28,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba? Hindi ganon?

7144
08:56:28,800 --> 08:56:29,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yes.

7145
08:56:29,280 --> 08:56:30,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nando na yung loan.

7146
08:56:30,240 --> 08:56:30,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7147
08:56:31,300 --> 08:56:33,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, however, my question now is,

7148
08:56:33,540 --> 08:56:35,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pagka ginawa yan ng Kongreso,

7149
08:56:36,480 --> 08:56:41,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: proposal was 151 billion,

7150
08:56:42,500 --> 08:56:46,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and then the approved in the GAA was only a fraction of that,

7151
08:56:46,640 --> 08:56:47,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2% of that.

7152
08:56:49,740 --> 08:56:53,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang tanyari, shouldn't that then, dahil natanggal na yung...

7153
08:56:54,100 --> 08:56:59,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The effect there is that the source of funding is no longer available, correct?

7154
08:57:01,300 --> 08:57:02,120
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

7155
08:57:02,120 --> 08:57:02,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In other words,

7156
08:57:03,540 --> 08:57:06,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Congress cannot use the...

7157
08:57:06,480 --> 08:57:13,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The freed up, let's call that freed up fiscal space, yun ba ang tawag doon?

7158
08:57:14,420 --> 08:57:14,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7159
08:57:16,220 --> 08:57:17,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: To fund other projects.

7160
08:57:18,000 --> 08:57:18,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba hindi pwede yun?

7161
08:57:19,640 --> 08:57:20,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: No, Madam Speaker.

7162
08:57:20,360 --> 08:57:21,200
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Hindi pwede, di ba?

7163
08:57:21,320 --> 08:57:28,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nasabi natin, teka, 150 dapat sa foreign assisted, pero ginawasan natin ng 140.

7164
08:57:29,560 --> 08:57:33,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Therefore, we have freed up 140 for other projects.

7165
08:57:33,900 --> 08:57:34,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba hindi pwede yun?

7166
08:57:35,860 --> 08:57:36,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No.

7167
08:57:36,480 --> 08:57:37,060
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: No, Madam Speaker.

7168
08:57:37,080 --> 08:57:37,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi pwede.

7169
08:57:37,700 --> 08:57:39,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Eh, pero yun ang ginagawa ng Kongreso all the time.

7170
08:57:41,440 --> 08:57:42,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba may mali doon?

7171
08:57:43,560 --> 08:57:44,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, in other words,

7172
08:57:44,420 --> 08:57:53,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: if when Congress, or if Congress specifically reduces the appropriation for

7173
08:57:53,160 --> 08:57:58,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: foreign assisted projects with perfected loan agreements,

7174
08:57:59,780 --> 08:58:04,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pagka binawasan yun ng Kongreso, in terms of pag hindi inappropriate yun ng Kongreso,

7175
08:58:05,280 --> 08:58:06,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: then that should...

7176
08:58:06,480 --> 08:58:09,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: reduce the total budget.

7177
08:58:10,180 --> 08:58:18,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kung baga, yung, kunyari, 7.2, dapat kung binawasan mo ng 100B na foreign assisted,

7178
08:58:18,780 --> 08:58:21,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: dapat 7.1 na lang ang ceiling.

7179
08:58:21,460 --> 08:58:23,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi ba ganun dapat ang epekto nun?

7180
08:58:24,040 --> 08:58:24,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: You get my point?

7181
08:58:25,840 --> 08:58:28,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam, correct?

7182
08:58:30,000 --> 08:58:33,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Could you please place that on the record?

7183
08:58:35,100 --> 08:58:36,280
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well, Madam Speaker,

7184
08:58:36,480 --> 08:58:39,240
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: if it's in the GAA,

7185
08:58:39,480 --> 08:58:42,360
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: then it should be,

7186
08:58:42,920 --> 08:58:46,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the funding for that particular project is,

7187
08:58:46,340 --> 08:58:48,420
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: for that particular project, you can't modify.

7188
08:58:49,100 --> 08:58:52,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, I think what I'm pointing out is, in fact,

7189
08:58:52,340 --> 08:58:53,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that ganun nga nangyayari, no?

7190
08:58:54,300 --> 08:58:56,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I mean, for many years,

7191
08:58:57,360 --> 08:58:59,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ginagawa ng Kongreso, binabawasan ng malaki

7192
08:58:59,980 --> 08:59:03,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung DOTR, foreign assisted projects,

7193
08:59:03,520 --> 08:59:06,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: and these are specifically,

7194
08:59:06,180 --> 08:59:08,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tied to a source, the loan,

7195
08:59:10,620 --> 08:59:17,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tapos, the freed up space is used for, you know,

7196
08:59:17,780 --> 08:59:21,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: for insertion, congressional insertion.

7197
08:59:22,100 --> 08:59:24,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung mga proyektong dinadagdag.

7198
08:59:26,060 --> 08:59:27,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, specifically,

7199
08:59:28,160 --> 08:59:33,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pinakamalala yan nung years 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025.

7200
08:59:34,060 --> 08:59:35,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ayan din yung panahon na pinakamalala,

7201
08:59:35,820 --> 08:59:37,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung flood control

7202
08:59:37,980 --> 08:59:39,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: insertions, diba?

7203
08:59:40,660 --> 08:59:41,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yun ang point ko.

7204
08:59:41,840 --> 08:59:44,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. That is the point

7205
08:59:44,100 --> 08:59:45,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I'm making. And now,

7206
08:59:45,920 --> 08:59:47,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the question I am asking

7207
08:59:47,280 --> 08:59:50,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: this Congress is, gagawin na naman ba yun

7208
08:59:50,220 --> 08:59:52,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng Kongresong ito?

7209
08:59:54,760 --> 08:59:56,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pwede pa bang gawin yun ng Kongresong ito?

7210
09:00:00,000 --> 09:00:04,140
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well, Madam Speaker, well, not pertaining to the budget of the DepDev.

7211
09:00:04,400 --> 09:00:10,000
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: That's precisely the reason why we're instituting a lot of the reforms that we have.

7212
09:00:10,120 --> 09:00:11,680
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: We're trying to be transparent and accountable.

7213
09:00:11,680 --> 09:00:15,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Alright. So nagre-reforman na, so dapat hindi na pwede.

7214
09:00:16,680 --> 09:00:27,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, klaro, hindi porke 2027, nasa 232 billion ang proposed foreign-assisted projects.

7215
09:00:27,680 --> 09:00:32,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Projects. Tapos kung titignan nyo yung item nyo, nakalagay talaga doon yung loan agreement.

7216
09:00:32,740 --> 09:00:36,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Meron pang serial number, etc., etc., nung loan agreement.

7217
09:00:36,660 --> 09:00:43,660
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So hindi na pwedeng galawin ito as a source for congressional amendments or insertions.

7218
09:00:44,880 --> 09:00:45,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, that's clear.

7219
09:00:46,380 --> 09:00:49,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Another, the other, yan naman, yung isa naman.

7220
09:00:50,060 --> 09:00:57,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan, ang isa pang paborito over the years, PS, personnel services.

7221
09:00:57,680 --> 09:01:03,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Specifically here, we're focusing on miscellaneous personnel benefits fund.

7222
09:01:04,480 --> 09:01:06,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, ano yung miscellaneous personnel?

7223
09:01:06,820 --> 09:01:14,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Para po yan sa dagdag na sweldo, dagdag na binipisyo, o new hiring, new plantilla positions ng gobyerno.

7224
09:01:15,160 --> 09:01:16,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, and what do we see?

7225
09:01:17,080 --> 09:01:18,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Again, we see the same pattern.

7226
09:01:19,380 --> 09:01:25,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In 2016, doon tayo nagsimula, kung ano yung pinroposed sa NEP na MPBF noon,

7227
09:01:25,880 --> 09:01:27,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yun din ang aprobahan.

7228
09:01:27,680 --> 09:01:28,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Anong kongreso?

7229
09:01:31,100 --> 09:01:39,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, I mean, even up to, well, ayan, meron na nangyari, no?

7230
09:01:39,740 --> 09:01:46,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero makikita talaga natin, starting in 2020, anong year ba ito?

7231
09:01:46,720 --> 09:01:52,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2022, and especially 2023, we see the same pattern.

7232
09:01:52,320 --> 09:01:56,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: NEP, MPBF is 62 billion.

7233
09:01:57,680 --> 09:02:06,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But the GAA, MPBF is, 2023, GAA is 26 billion.

7234
09:02:06,780 --> 09:02:08,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 70% lower.

7235
09:02:09,380 --> 09:02:11,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Binawasan ng 70%.

7236
09:02:11,200 --> 09:02:13,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tapos, and so on.

7237
09:02:14,380 --> 09:02:18,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Again, ang pinakamalala, no?

7238
09:02:18,400 --> 09:02:24,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kailangan matalasa kay Saisaya na ang pinakamalalang mga abuso sa budget, 2024.

7239
09:02:25,140 --> 09:02:26,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7240
09:02:27,680 --> 09:02:36,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, MPBF then was 135, but approved in GAA is 29 billion.

7241
09:02:37,340 --> 09:02:38,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 29 billion.

7242
09:02:39,180 --> 09:02:39,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7243
09:02:40,000 --> 09:02:41,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ano nangyari doon sa pondo na yun?

7244
09:02:42,700 --> 09:02:42,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7245
09:02:43,220 --> 09:02:43,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nangyari?

7246
09:02:43,940 --> 09:02:50,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun yung sinatawag dito colloquially na ginawang source para sa mga insertions.

7247
09:02:51,220 --> 09:02:51,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba?

7248
09:02:52,580 --> 09:02:53,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Am I correct in my analysis?

7249
09:02:54,800 --> 09:02:55,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Madam sponsor?

7250
09:02:57,680 --> 09:03:00,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The DEV cannot confirm.

7251
09:03:00,520 --> 09:03:02,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The DEV cannot confirm.

7252
09:03:03,060 --> 09:03:03,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7253
09:03:04,660 --> 09:03:06,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, I confirm.

7254
09:03:07,140 --> 09:03:09,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And the data shows na ganun po ang nangyari.

7255
09:03:10,500 --> 09:03:10,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7256
09:03:11,660 --> 09:03:18,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, my specific concern is with regard to MPBF for 2027.

7257
09:03:18,300 --> 09:03:22,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: As you can see, the 2027 proposed is 55 billion.

7258
09:03:22,740 --> 09:03:24,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: A little over 55 billion.

7259
09:03:24,220 --> 09:03:25,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mamaya.

7260
09:03:26,560 --> 09:03:27,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Wala yata yung...

7261
09:03:27,520 --> 09:03:27,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Wala.

7262
09:03:27,680 --> 09:03:28,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Wala pa yung DBM.

7263
09:03:28,480 --> 09:03:29,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Babalik sila.

7264
09:03:30,160 --> 09:03:33,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: But isang tinututukan natin dito yung ano eh.

7265
09:03:33,880 --> 09:03:38,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ito ang paggagalingan ng pagpapataas sa pera.

7266
09:03:39,180 --> 09:03:43,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Personal, economic relief allowance ng mga government employees.

7267
09:03:44,060 --> 09:03:44,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yan.

7268
09:03:44,200 --> 09:03:45,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Lahat kayo rito, government employees.

7269
09:03:46,640 --> 09:03:48,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung iba sa inyo, siguro mas malaki ang kita.

7270
09:03:48,540 --> 09:03:50,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Baka hindi nyo masyadong nararamdaman to.

7271
09:03:50,440 --> 09:03:56,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero yung pera, yan yung 2,000 pesos a month na allowance.

7272
09:03:56,840 --> 09:03:59,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: On top of the basic pay.

7273
09:04:00,120 --> 09:04:00,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7274
09:04:00,360 --> 09:04:07,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung pera na yan, 2,000 na yung papuyan na set at 2,000 pesos a month.

7275
09:04:08,100 --> 09:04:08,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7276
09:04:09,280 --> 09:04:10,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, it's about time.

7277
09:04:10,280 --> 09:04:16,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung subsistence allowance sa mga sundalo last year was practically tripled.

7278
09:04:17,680 --> 09:04:17,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7279
09:04:20,280 --> 09:04:23,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: It cost the government something like...

7280
09:04:24,360 --> 09:04:24,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Baka na ba yun?

7281
09:04:24,820 --> 09:04:26,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 20 plus billion nga tayo.

7282
09:04:26,320 --> 09:04:27,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Parang ganun.

7283
09:04:27,840 --> 09:04:27,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7284
09:04:28,920 --> 09:04:29,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7285
09:04:30,500 --> 09:04:34,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Paano naman yung mga civilian bureaucracy natin?

7286
09:04:35,820 --> 09:04:36,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7287
09:04:36,640 --> 09:04:39,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, it's about time.

7288
09:04:39,560 --> 09:04:42,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Actually, mamaya sa DBM, papakonfirm natin.

7289
09:04:42,620 --> 09:04:44,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero, yan ang paggagalingan nun.

7290
09:04:45,340 --> 09:04:45,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7291
09:04:46,620 --> 09:04:47,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yung dagdag sa pera.

7292
09:04:47,900 --> 09:04:54,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: A 1,000 peso increase in pera will require 24 billion.

7293
09:04:55,200 --> 09:04:55,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Given...

7294
09:04:56,320 --> 09:05:01,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2 million national government employees.

7295
09:05:02,220 --> 09:05:02,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7296
09:05:03,080 --> 09:05:05,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 24 billion.

7297
09:05:06,360 --> 09:05:08,860
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kung 2,000 dadagdag, 48 billion.

7298
09:05:09,360 --> 09:05:10,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 55 billion yan.

7299
09:05:11,000 --> 09:05:17,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang point ko lang, again, tatanong ko to sa Committee on Appropriations at sa DepDEP na rin.

7300
09:05:17,680 --> 09:05:17,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: No?

7301
09:05:18,740 --> 09:05:21,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba favorable yan para sa mga kamuni?

7302
09:05:21,680 --> 09:05:23,220
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Gagalawin ba yung MPDF?

7303
09:05:24,320 --> 09:05:25,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Gagawin na naman bang source yan?

7304
09:05:26,320 --> 09:05:30,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Katulad nung ginawa noon, natatapya siya ng malaki.

7305
09:05:32,060 --> 09:05:34,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At tuloy, hindi na mabibigay sa government employees.

7306
09:05:34,900 --> 09:05:35,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun po yung tanong.

7307
09:05:37,760 --> 09:05:38,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Please answer.

7308
09:05:39,860 --> 09:05:41,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The DepDEP cannot confirm.

7309
09:05:41,200 --> 09:05:41,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7310
09:05:41,440 --> 09:05:42,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: The DepDEP cannot confirm.

7311
09:05:43,260 --> 09:05:43,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you.

7312
09:05:45,880 --> 09:05:46,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7313
09:05:47,080 --> 09:05:49,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ngayon, next slide.

7314
09:05:49,160 --> 09:05:50,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nga ba yung...

7315
09:05:52,880 --> 09:05:53,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7316
09:05:56,320 --> 09:05:56,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7317
09:05:59,280 --> 09:06:01,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Well, so yun po ang mga...

7318
09:06:01,300 --> 09:06:02,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Let me at this point.

7319
09:06:03,480 --> 09:06:10,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Some of my questions will be more properly addressed to DBM.

7320
09:06:10,960 --> 09:06:13,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, pero yun po ang nirace natin.

7321
09:06:17,440 --> 09:06:21,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Nandito na si chair ng Committee on Appropriations.

7322
09:06:21,260 --> 09:06:24,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang mga nirace ko po na tanong ay...

7323
09:06:26,320 --> 09:06:27,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7324
09:06:27,320 --> 09:06:28,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ano nga ba yung...

7325
09:06:28,320 --> 09:06:29,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mga tanong ko.

7326
09:06:29,320 --> 09:06:46,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mga tanong ko ay una, will the Committee on Operations and will this Congress entertain

7327
09:06:46,560 --> 09:06:54,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: major amendments to the infrastructure budget?

7328
09:06:56,040 --> 09:07:02,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ibig sabihin, mga dagdag sa whether it's flood control or roads, bridges,

7329
09:07:02,840 --> 09:07:05,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: multi-purpose buildings, and so on.

7330
09:07:06,280 --> 09:07:11,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Will we see major changes in the General Appropriations Bill?

7331
09:07:11,900 --> 09:07:12,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, yun yung isang tanong.

7332
09:07:13,420 --> 09:07:16,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pangalawa, gagawin bang source?

7333
09:07:17,840 --> 09:07:24,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kung yes, if yes, gagamitin bang source yung Foreign Assisted Project?

7334
09:07:24,740 --> 09:07:31,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Particular DOTR as well as Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund.

7335
09:07:32,260 --> 09:07:39,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Na historically yun ang mga pangunahing pinagkukunan ng source to fund.

7336
09:07:40,620 --> 09:07:43,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course, ang sinasabi natin dito, huwag nyo na gawin yun.

7337
09:07:45,080 --> 09:07:52,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In the case of DOTR, Foreign Assisted Project, sabi natin, actually there are constitutional and legal issues

7338
09:07:52,480 --> 09:07:53,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: that should...

7339
09:07:54,740 --> 09:07:55,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: prohibit that.

7340
09:07:56,460 --> 09:08:02,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi pwedeng i-maintain mo yung ceiling kung tinanggal mo yung source.

7341
09:08:02,980 --> 09:08:03,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Diba?

7342
09:08:03,960 --> 09:08:04,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

7343
09:08:04,400 --> 09:08:09,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And as to Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund, especially this year,

7344
09:08:10,300 --> 09:08:14,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang panawagan natin sa Kongreso, huwag po gagalawin yan.

7345
09:08:16,120 --> 09:08:23,400
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: It's lower than in previous years and yung mga government employees po natin,

7346
09:08:23,860 --> 09:08:24,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay matagalawin.

7347
09:08:24,740 --> 09:08:29,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dahil na pong nag-iintay ng increase sa kanilang pera,

7348
09:08:29,400 --> 09:08:32,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: personal economic relief allowance, at yan ang panggagalingan yan.

7349
09:08:33,380 --> 09:08:35,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, hands off, please. Do not touch.

7350
09:08:36,180 --> 09:08:37,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Parang yun po ang mensahe natin dito.

7351
09:08:38,680 --> 09:08:40,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay? Hanggang doon na lang po muna.

7352
09:08:41,260 --> 09:08:43,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Maraming salamat po, Madam Speaker.

7353
09:08:46,140 --> 09:08:47,000
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Majority Leader.

7354
09:08:49,180 --> 09:08:53,860
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Madam Speaker, may we recognize the Honorable Eli San Fernando?

7355
09:08:54,740 --> 09:08:58,020
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Of Kamanggagawa Party-list for his interpellation.

7356
09:08:58,960 --> 09:09:03,020
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Representative Eli San Fernando is now recognized for his interpellation.

7357
09:09:18,680 --> 09:09:20,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po, Madam Speaker.

7358
09:09:21,420 --> 09:09:23,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Magandang gabi po sa ating kagalang-galang na sponsor.

7359
09:09:24,740 --> 09:09:33,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Noong September 7,

7360
09:09:34,720 --> 09:09:38,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pinirmahan po ng National Capital Region Regional Wage Board

7361
09:09:38,660 --> 09:09:41,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang Wage Order No. 28.

7362
09:09:42,880 --> 09:09:48,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Signing on behalf of DEFDEV was ASEC Tolentino.

7363
09:09:49,840 --> 09:09:52,160
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Bahagi ng proseso sa wage determination

7364
09:09:52,160 --> 09:09:54,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang public consultation.

7365
09:09:54,720 --> 09:09:57,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor,

7366
09:09:57,280 --> 09:09:58,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker.

7367
09:09:59,420 --> 09:10:02,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nandoon po ba ang DEFDEV sa public consultation?

7368
09:10:04,660 --> 09:10:06,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

7369
09:10:06,860 --> 09:10:10,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kinukonfirm po ng DEFDEV, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7370
09:10:10,760 --> 09:10:15,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na nandoon po ang DEFDEV sa ginanap na public consultation.

7371
09:10:16,680 --> 09:10:22,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, with the indulgence of this honorable chamber,

7372
09:10:22,820 --> 09:10:24,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nagsisinungaling po harap-harapan.

7373
09:10:24,720 --> 09:10:27,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang DEV-DEV.

7374
09:10:29,120 --> 09:10:32,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wala pong public consultation na naganap, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7375
09:10:34,180 --> 09:10:36,580
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: September 2, 2026.

7376
09:10:37,260 --> 09:10:39,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: I was there, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7377
09:10:40,700 --> 09:10:42,580
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: together with labor representatives,

7378
09:10:42,580 --> 09:10:47,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: and we were questioning the nature of that meeting.

7379
09:10:49,280 --> 09:10:53,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wala pong naganap na public consultation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7380
09:10:53,480 --> 09:11:02,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dahil patagupo na inilunsad ng Regional Wage Board National Capital Region

7381
09:11:02,360 --> 09:11:04,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang meeting na iyon.

7382
09:11:05,140 --> 09:11:08,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And the labor representatives, this representation included,

7383
09:11:08,700 --> 09:11:13,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: was actually questioning the nature of that meeting.

7384
09:11:14,260 --> 09:11:16,260
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In fact, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7385
09:11:17,160 --> 09:11:20,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the Regional Director of National Capital Region, DOLE,

7386
09:11:21,680 --> 09:11:22,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: said verbatim,

7387
09:11:23,480 --> 09:11:27,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pinupulsuhan lang namin ang mga manggagawa.

7388
09:11:29,480 --> 09:11:32,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Not even in the agenda, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7389
09:11:33,460 --> 09:11:37,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na nakalagay ang wage determination.

7390
09:11:37,180 --> 09:11:43,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So again, my question to the Honorable Sponsor,

7391
09:11:44,280 --> 09:11:48,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: meron po bang naganap na public consultation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

7392
09:11:50,820 --> 09:11:53,180
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, there was a public hearing.

7393
09:11:53,480 --> 09:11:56,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So a public hearing.

7394
09:11:57,780 --> 09:12:00,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Tama po ba, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

7395
09:12:02,760 --> 09:12:03,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

7396
09:12:04,120 --> 09:12:09,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So there was a public hearing on wage determination.

7397
09:12:10,260 --> 09:12:13,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Let it be put on record, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7398
09:12:13,960 --> 09:12:18,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that the DEF-DEF affirms that there was a public hearing

7399
09:12:18,920 --> 09:12:22,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which was conducted by the Regional Wage Board NCR

7400
09:12:23,480 --> 09:12:31,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Unto which, DepDev is a member na nagkaroon daw po ng public hearing noong araw na yon, September 2, 2026.

7401
09:12:33,100 --> 09:12:42,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meron po bang minutes of the meeting na available at hawak ngayon ang DepDev being a member of the Regional Wage Board National Capital Region?

7402
09:12:45,400 --> 09:12:51,800
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As of the moment, Madam Speaker, there are no on-hand documents of the minutes of the hearing.

7403
09:12:51,800 --> 09:12:53,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wala pong on-hand na dokumento.

7404
09:12:54,320 --> 09:13:10,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero mapoproduce po ba ng DepDev, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, that specific minutes of the meeting wherein nakasulat po sa katitikan ng meeting na yan na nagkaroon ng public consultation, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor?

7405
09:13:11,780 --> 09:13:17,440
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DepDev can ask the Wage Board for a copy of the hearing.

7406
09:13:18,000 --> 09:13:21,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So when can we have the copy of the minutes of the meeting, Madam Sponsor?

7407
09:13:21,800 --> 09:13:29,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, because it is important. We are talking about 1.1 million minimum wage earners, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7408
09:13:31,880 --> 09:13:35,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The DepDev will request for a copy of the minutes of the meeting.

7409
09:13:35,020 --> 09:13:45,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Will there be a timeline as to when the minutes of the meeting of that particular public hearing will be produced or will be submitted to this chamber, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor?

7410
09:13:45,560 --> 09:13:46,560
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: I will request it now.

7411
09:13:51,800 --> 09:13:55,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: I will request as right now, this very moment.

7412
09:13:56,320 --> 09:13:59,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor. Maraming salamat, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7413
09:13:59,480 --> 09:14:10,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So this representation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, stands firm that the labor representatives were there and we were actually questioning the nature of that particular meeting.

7414
09:14:11,600 --> 09:14:14,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Second question, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7415
09:14:15,000 --> 09:14:21,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sa proseso po ng wage determination, kapag may wage order na, dapat pagtibayin

7416
09:14:21,800 --> 09:14:25,940
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng National Wages and Productivity Commission.

7417
09:14:26,580 --> 09:14:37,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yung anumang wage order na ilalabas, DepDev serves as an ex-official vice chair of the National Wages and Productivity Commission.

7418
09:14:37,460 --> 09:14:44,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: My question is very straightforward. Nagkaroon ba ng NWPC meeting to affirm wage order number 28?

7419
09:14:46,900 --> 09:14:50,580
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker. As per the DepDev.

7420
09:14:51,800 --> 09:14:57,120
Floor Leader: Majority Leader, Madam Speaker, I move to suspend.

7421
09:14:58,180 --> 09:15:06,560
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Session is suspended for a few minutes. Session is resumed.

7422
09:15:08,200 --> 09:15:12,000
Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: Madam Speaker, the majority would just like to make a quick manifestation.

7423
09:15:12,000 --> 09:15:22,020
Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: As previously discussed with members of the minority, some are willing to address both DEP, DEV, and DBM in the interest of expediency,

7424
09:15:22,720 --> 09:15:27,680
Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: as Pong Eli San Fernando has earlier signified.

7425
09:15:27,680 --> 09:15:38,160
Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: So we would also like to recognize the presence of DBM Secretary Kim and his staff in order to answer those questions along with DEP.

7426
09:15:38,280 --> 09:15:39,420
Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

7427
09:15:39,840 --> 09:15:44,440
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: This is noted. Majority Leader, we may proceed.

7428
09:15:45,120 --> 09:15:47,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7429
09:15:47,100 --> 09:15:50,820
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: If I may just repeat my question.

7430
09:15:51,320 --> 09:15:57,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sa proseso ng wage determination, kapag merong wage order, dapat pagtibayin

7431
09:15:57,680 --> 09:15:59,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng National Wages and Productivity Commission.

7432
09:16:00,620 --> 09:16:04,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, DEP-DEV serves as an ex-official vice chair of NWPC.

7433
09:16:05,480 --> 09:16:10,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question is, nagkaroon ba ng NWPC meeting to affirm wage order number 28?

7434
09:16:12,320 --> 09:16:13,620
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, Madam Speaker.

7435
09:16:14,100 --> 09:16:16,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: When was this meeting held, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

7436
09:16:19,220 --> 09:16:21,440
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: The 11th of September, 2026, Madam Speaker.

7437
09:16:21,440 --> 09:16:22,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 11th of September.

7438
09:16:23,320 --> 09:16:26,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maganda po na sinabi yan ng ating butihing sponsor.

7439
09:16:26,720 --> 09:16:27,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Dahil po sa una,

7440
09:16:27,680 --> 09:16:31,540
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nang inilabas po ng National Wages and Productivity Commission,

7441
09:16:32,120 --> 09:16:33,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nandun din po ang kinatawang ito.

7442
09:16:36,820 --> 09:16:41,940
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wala pong naganap na NWPC meeting sa Manila Hotel,

7443
09:16:42,080 --> 09:16:43,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nandyan po si Yusik Edelion,

7444
09:16:44,060 --> 09:16:49,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung saan siya po dapat ang uupo doon bilang kinatawan ng NWPC meeting.

7445
09:16:49,960 --> 09:16:51,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, ibig sabihin po ba nito?

7446
09:16:52,240 --> 09:16:56,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Talagang tinatago ng NWPC meeting ang pulong kung saan pinagtitibay

7447
09:16:57,680 --> 09:16:59,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang sahod ng mga manggagawa.

7448
09:17:08,120 --> 09:17:15,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DepDev confirms that there was a meeting held on the 11th of September, 2026.

7449
09:17:15,620 --> 09:17:18,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kinukumpirma po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7450
09:17:18,620 --> 09:17:22,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng DepDev na may naganap na meeting noong September 11.

7451
09:17:23,320 --> 09:17:25,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maaari po bang malaman ang kinatawang ito?

7452
09:17:26,400 --> 09:17:27,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Anong oras at saan?

7453
09:17:27,520 --> 09:17:32,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Saan ginanap ang meeting ng NWPC dated September 11, 2026?

7454
09:17:38,520 --> 09:17:46,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, this said meeting was transpired at Manila Hotel around 1pm.

7455
09:17:46,760 --> 09:17:47,600
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: As for the DepDev?

7456
09:17:48,220 --> 09:17:52,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Parang hindi po sigurado, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, ang DepDev.

7457
09:17:53,960 --> 09:17:57,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nagkaroon po ng meeting September 11.

7458
09:17:57,520 --> 09:18:02,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Manila Hotel para pagtibayin yung wage order number 28.

7459
09:18:03,660 --> 09:18:11,260
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: A day after ng supposedly meeting ng NWPC para pagtibayin yung wage order 28.

7460
09:18:11,600 --> 09:18:18,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, my question is, deliberately ba tinatago ng NWPC ang usapin ng sahod ng mga manggagawa?

7461
09:18:48,600 --> 09:18:52,600
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, that's not the intention of the DepDev.

7462
09:18:52,600 --> 09:18:54,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: That's not the intention.

7463
09:18:54,660 --> 09:18:56,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: But it was the result, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7464
09:18:57,520 --> 09:19:08,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Itinago ng NWPC kung saan miyembro ang DepDev yung pag-uusap tungkol sa sahod ng mga minimum wage earners.

7465
09:19:09,300 --> 09:19:13,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We are not just talking about 1, 2, 3 minimum wage earners.

7466
09:19:13,940 --> 09:19:17,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We are talking about 1.1 million minimum wage earners in NCR.

7467
09:19:21,160 --> 09:19:25,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, would the DepDev clarify this, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

7468
09:19:27,520 --> 09:19:38,780
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, the DepDev also cites that there were labor representatives and employee representatives present at the meeting.

7469
09:19:38,780 --> 09:19:44,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: There were labor representatives and employee representatives at the said NWPC meeting.

7470
09:19:45,880 --> 09:19:53,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question is, is NWPC deliberately hiding the said meeting?

7471
09:19:53,900 --> 09:19:56,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question is, is NWPC deliberately hiding the said meeting?

7472
09:19:57,520 --> 09:20:06,100
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: But at least on the part of DepDev, Madam Speaker, the board, well, we can only speak for the representative of DepDev.

7473
09:20:06,880 --> 09:20:11,100
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And that is not the intention of the DepDev in attending that meeting.

7474
09:20:11,680 --> 09:20:14,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, kaya ako po binabanggit ito.

7475
09:20:15,560 --> 09:20:23,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Una, nandun po ang kinatawang ito sa supposedly public consultation na ina-affirm ng DepDev na nangyari daw.

7476
09:20:23,360 --> 09:20:27,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And I am proving them wrong, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7477
09:20:27,520 --> 09:20:29,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: There was no public consultation.

7478
09:20:30,160 --> 09:20:35,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nanggaling na mismo yan sa bibig ng regional director ng DOLE-NCR.

7479
09:20:35,320 --> 09:20:38,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And we will question him sa proper time.

7480
09:20:38,640 --> 09:20:50,580
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Second, sinasabi ngayon ng DepDev na nagkaroon daw ng NWPC meeting a day after nung supposed or original na schedule ng NWPC meeting.

7481
09:20:50,980 --> 09:20:55,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Same hotel, Manila Hotel, itinago sa mga manggagawa.

7482
09:20:55,400 --> 09:21:03,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At sinasabi na hindi naman intensyon ng DepDev na itago yung pag-uusap tungkol sa sahod ng mga manggagawa.

7483
09:21:03,900 --> 09:21:06,260
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: But it was the result, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7484
09:21:06,880 --> 09:21:10,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: I will not belabor the point on that, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7485
09:21:10,780 --> 09:21:13,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maganda po na nabanggit na dito sa bulwagang ito.

7486
09:21:14,480 --> 09:21:18,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Rule 4, Section 5 of the Omnibus Rules on Minimum Wage Determination.

7487
09:21:18,620 --> 09:21:25,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: As amended by NWPC Resolution No. 5, Series of 2013.

7488
09:21:25,400 --> 09:21:29,260
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: It provides, and I quote,

7489
09:21:30,100 --> 09:21:38,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Should the Board find urgent and reasonable grounds to commence the Minimum Wage Determination process

7490
09:21:38,760 --> 09:21:43,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: earlier than 60 days prior to the anniversary date of the current wage order,

7491
09:21:44,600 --> 09:21:51,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: it shall submit a written recommendation and justification for this purpose to the Commission

7492
09:21:51,140 --> 09:21:55,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: for the latter's consideration and approval within five working days.

7493
09:21:55,400 --> 09:22:02,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Once approved by the Commission, the Board may initiate the Minimum Wage Determination process.

7494
09:22:04,080 --> 09:22:04,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: End of quote.

7495
09:22:05,200 --> 09:22:05,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Question.

7496
09:22:07,520 --> 09:22:13,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nagkaroon po ba ng sapat na justification para maglabas ng panibagong wage order?

7497
09:22:14,180 --> 09:22:19,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wage order No. 27 was effective July 25 of this year.

7498
09:22:19,860 --> 09:22:23,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And surprisingly, nabiglat, nagulat ang lahat.

7499
09:22:25,400 --> 09:22:28,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: May panibago ng wage order.

7500
09:22:29,020 --> 09:22:30,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yung wage order No. 28.

7501
09:22:31,080 --> 09:22:35,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: What was the justification of the Commission and the Regional Wage Board?

7502
09:22:36,080 --> 09:22:38,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: As approved by the NWPC wherein?

7503
09:22:39,280 --> 09:22:40,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Depdev is a member.

7504
09:22:40,820 --> 09:22:42,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7505
09:22:48,240 --> 09:22:53,420
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, this representation is in receipt of a new document.

7506
09:22:55,300 --> 09:23:00,080
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: To correct, the meeting was held on September 10.

7507
09:23:00,280 --> 09:23:01,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: September 10 po yung?

7508
09:23:02,120 --> 09:23:06,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Meeting. The NWPC meeting in Manila Hotel.

7509
09:23:06,380 --> 09:23:07,600
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: And the NWPC meeting.

7510
09:23:08,020 --> 09:23:08,300
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes.

7511
09:23:08,440 --> 09:23:09,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: What time was it?

7512
09:23:10,840 --> 09:23:12,760
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well, at least on the document, it says 1pm.

7513
09:23:13,320 --> 09:23:14,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 1 p.m., Madam?

7514
09:23:16,640 --> 09:23:23,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, niloloko po ang kinatawang ito at ang bulwagang ito.

7515
09:23:23,120 --> 09:23:27,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: I was there 1pm until 5pm.

7516
09:23:28,360 --> 09:23:30,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kami nagbukas, kami rin ang nagsara.

7517
09:23:30,920 --> 09:23:34,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Umuwi na nga yung mga sekretaryat ng Regional Wage Board.

7518
09:23:36,460 --> 09:23:40,160
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, deliberately niloloko ng dep-dep.

7519
09:23:41,620 --> 09:23:42,820
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang mga mambabatas.

7520
09:23:52,100 --> 09:23:53,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nandun po ako.

7521
09:23:53,120 --> 09:23:55,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, ito po, picture o.

7522
09:23:55,640 --> 09:23:55,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yan.

7523
09:23:56,940 --> 09:23:58,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nandun ako sa pangalan ni Sekretary Tolentino.

7524
09:24:05,260 --> 09:24:15,560
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, at least on this document, it says that the meeting was held in, well, 10 September 2020, 6 at 1pm at the DAO?

7525
09:24:16,000 --> 09:24:16,480
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DAO?

7526
09:24:16,660 --> 09:24:17,220
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: DAO!

7527
09:24:17,760 --> 09:24:18,520
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Meeting Room.

7528
09:24:19,140 --> 09:24:22,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, nandoon po ako sa DAO!

7529
09:24:23,120 --> 09:24:31,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In fact, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, inantay namin hanggang gabi.

7530
09:24:32,440 --> 09:24:36,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Inuwian na lang kami ng sekretaryat ng Regional Wage Board.

7531
09:24:37,060 --> 09:24:43,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, naiintindihan ko po kung may confusion sa bahagi ng dep-dep,

7532
09:24:44,520 --> 09:24:49,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: but someone from the Regional Wage Board NCR is not telling the truth.

7533
09:24:51,340 --> 09:24:52,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now, how can we?

7534
09:24:53,120 --> 09:25:03,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: How can we justify yung budget na hinihingi o pinopropose ng dep-dep kung sa simpleng usapin ng sahot ng mga manggagawa,

7535
09:25:03,880 --> 09:25:08,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi masagot ng deretsahan at ng totohanan ang mga manggagawa?

7536
09:25:08,880 --> 09:25:15,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We demand a clarification, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, from the Department of Economy, Planning and Development.

7537
09:25:16,000 --> 09:25:17,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7538
09:25:22,440 --> 09:25:52,420
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Thank you.

7539
09:26:03,920 --> 09:26:13,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, just to expound also, the representative of DepDev is saying that there was a change in venue.

7540
09:26:15,420 --> 09:26:22,420
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Unfortunately, the name of the meeting room, it's an unofficial correspondence.

7541
09:26:22,440 --> 09:26:30,860
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It's the U. However, the recollection is muddy in terms of what particular meeting room they actually went to.

7542
09:26:32,600 --> 09:26:37,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, I cannot believe this, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7543
09:26:38,860 --> 09:26:42,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Hindi maalala kung saan sila nag-meeting.

7544
09:26:44,240 --> 09:26:47,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yung Manila room, nakalagay dun mismo anong room.

7545
09:26:48,480 --> 09:26:49,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Makikita, mababasa.

7546
09:26:50,600 --> 09:26:52,420
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7547
09:26:52,440 --> 09:26:58,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meron pong nagsisinungaling at nanluloko sa mga manggagawa, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7548
09:27:04,020 --> 09:27:10,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Adjacent, Madam Sponsor, adjacent o katabi nung the room, wala rin pong mga nag-me-meeting.

7549
09:27:11,700 --> 09:27:15,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We know for a fact, because we were there, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7550
09:27:42,500 --> 09:28:22,400
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Well, Madam Speaker, we understand the concern. Definitely, we share the same concern of the Honorable San Fernando. If it would be beneficial, I think the best course of action, at least at this point in time, there is a list of people who supposedly attended the meeting. We can just give you the list of people

7551
09:28:22,440 --> 09:28:27,160
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and we can confirm if the meeting actually took place.

7552
09:28:27,900 --> 09:28:32,340
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: I personally, this representation will help the Honorable San Fernando confirm this also.

7553
09:28:32,940 --> 09:28:35,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7554
09:28:36,400 --> 09:28:43,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mahalaga po na napag-uusapan natin ang bagay na ito, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7555
09:28:44,460 --> 09:28:52,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Dahil meron pong hindi malinaw sa proseso ng pagtatakda ng meeting.

7556
09:28:52,440 --> 09:29:01,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Minimum wage at may kalituhang nangyayari na idinulot ng Wage Order 28 at ng Wage Order 27.

7557
09:29:01,780 --> 09:29:12,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And it is surprising, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, na pati ang DepDev who sits as the ex-official vice chair of NWPC,

7558
09:29:13,800 --> 09:29:15,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mukha po silang clueless.

7559
09:29:16,900 --> 09:29:22,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero kung binabanggit po ng butihing sponsor na magpoprovide ng mga dokumentasyon,

7560
09:29:22,440 --> 09:29:29,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na nagpapakita na merong naganap na pulong, gusto pong makita ng representasyong yan.

7561
09:29:29,620 --> 09:29:37,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At maraming salamat po sa sponsor na tinitiyak na magkakaroon tayo ng kopya ng nasabing pulong.

7562
09:29:38,340 --> 09:29:41,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: But let it be put on record, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7563
09:29:42,840 --> 09:29:48,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na kahit po ang DepDev ay lito at hindi alam ang mga espesipikong detalye

7564
09:29:48,620 --> 09:29:52,420
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng pagtitibay ng Wage Order 28,

7565
09:29:52,440 --> 09:29:57,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na bahagi ng kanilang responsibilidad at ng kanilang mandato.

7566
09:29:58,060 --> 09:29:58,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: This is unacceptable.

7567
09:30:00,000 --> 09:30:05,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Proper time, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, kapag sumalang na po ang Department of Labor and Employment,

7568
09:30:06,360 --> 09:30:14,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sisingilin po natin ang kagawaran na yun, batay sa record at sinasabi ng DepDev ngayon sa deliberasyong ito.

7569
09:30:15,240 --> 09:30:17,540
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Susunod po, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7570
09:30:19,340 --> 09:30:25,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sabi po ng Wage Order No. 28 kung saan pumirma ulit ang DepDev.

7571
09:30:25,100 --> 09:30:32,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sabi po, Wage Order No. 27 never took effect.

7572
09:30:33,860 --> 09:30:36,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ano pong kalukuhan ito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor?

7573
09:30:37,660 --> 09:30:44,540
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Is it the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect?

7574
09:30:45,120 --> 09:30:47,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kasi pumirma po sila, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7575
09:30:55,100 --> 09:31:09,920
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, as for the DepDev, the reason for the non-implementation of Wage Order No. 27 is because

7576
09:31:09,920 --> 09:31:15,880
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: apparently there was a TRO that was issued the day before the meeting took place.

7577
09:31:15,880 --> 09:31:24,580
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, non-implementation is different from the wording of Wage Order No. 28 which specifically say,

7578
09:31:25,100 --> 09:31:29,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wage Order No. 27 never took effect.

7579
09:31:30,260 --> 09:31:32,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: What does that mean in popular parlance?

7580
09:31:33,040 --> 09:31:37,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang ibig sabihin po niyan, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, sinasabi ng Regional Wage Board

7581
09:31:37,560 --> 09:31:40,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi naman nangyari yung dagdag sahod na P85.

7582
09:31:42,760 --> 09:31:45,540
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Never took effect. Hindi nangyari.

7583
09:31:46,860 --> 09:31:53,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: But it was the Secretary of the Department of Labor and Employment who announced it as historic wage increase.

7584
09:31:54,300 --> 09:31:54,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now, my friends...

7585
09:31:55,100 --> 09:32:04,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question again is, is it the position of the DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect?

7586
09:32:13,240 --> 09:32:17,660
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, on the part of DepDev, apparently this was a collegial decision.

7587
09:32:18,820 --> 09:32:22,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: It was a collegial, but they signed. DepDev signed. So, it is the position.

7588
09:32:23,040 --> 09:32:24,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: It's answerable by yes or no.

7589
09:32:24,260 --> 09:32:25,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Okay lang kung...

7590
09:32:25,020 --> 09:32:26,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun ang position ng DepDev, Madam Sponsor.

7591
09:32:27,140 --> 09:32:28,560
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: In the function of that, yes, Madam Sponsor.

7592
09:32:28,560 --> 09:32:35,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yes. So, it is the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect.

7593
09:32:35,960 --> 09:32:40,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Chapter 3, Section 4, IRR of RA 6727.

7594
09:32:41,420 --> 09:32:48,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 15 days upon the publication of any wage order, that wage order shall take effect.

7595
09:32:49,020 --> 09:32:49,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Question.

7596
09:32:50,620 --> 09:32:52,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na-publish ba yung Wage Order No. 27?

7597
09:32:52,940 --> 09:32:54,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The answer is yes.

7598
09:32:55,020 --> 09:32:56,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na-isa publiko ba?

7599
09:32:56,360 --> 09:32:57,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The answer is yes.

7600
09:32:58,220 --> 09:33:01,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thirdly, na-i-announce ba ng mismong kalihim ng DOLE?

7601
09:33:01,800 --> 09:33:02,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The answer is yes.

7602
09:33:03,340 --> 09:33:08,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Why is it the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect?

7603
09:33:15,200 --> 09:33:16,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Never took [unclear].

7604
09:33:16,460 --> 09:33:19,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The problem is, nagcirculate [unclear].

7605
09:33:38,480 --> 09:33:42,260
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, on the part of DepDev, it's really the TRO.

7606
09:33:43,060 --> 09:33:45,940
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Apparently, there was a declaration also of the status quo ante.

7607
09:33:47,280 --> 09:33:48,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, it's because of the TRO.

7608
09:33:49,920 --> 09:33:51,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yes. Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7609
09:33:51,780 --> 09:33:54,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: if I may remind, DepDev,

7610
09:33:55,020 --> 09:34:00,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: there was an order coming from Pasig RTC Branch 152.

7611
09:34:00,380 --> 09:34:02,940
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And the order explicitly say,

7612
09:34:04,120 --> 09:34:12,160
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: let a preliminary injunction be issued upon putting up a bond of 10 billion pesos.

7613
09:34:13,460 --> 09:34:17,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: In the previous DOLE budget consideration in the committee,

7614
09:34:18,040 --> 09:34:19,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7615
09:34:19,280 --> 09:34:23,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: it was the Department of Labor and Employment Secretary himself who said,

7616
09:34:24,400 --> 09:34:25,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: he doesn't know.

7617
09:34:25,020 --> 09:34:27,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meaning, walang nalagay na bond.

7618
09:34:28,620 --> 09:34:32,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, if there is no bond, then there is no injunction.

7619
09:34:33,480 --> 09:34:37,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The rules of court is very specific about this.

7620
09:34:38,660 --> 09:34:41,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Now, without a bond, walang preliminary injunction.

7621
09:34:42,960 --> 09:34:46,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Indispensable requirement ng preliminary injunction ang bond.

7622
09:34:48,240 --> 09:34:49,580
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, wala pong nailagak na bond.

7623
09:34:50,400 --> 09:34:51,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Therefore, there is no injunction.

7624
09:34:51,600 --> 09:34:53,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: If there is no injunction,

7625
09:34:53,660 --> 09:34:55,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: it is the position of the office,

7626
09:34:55,020 --> 09:34:56,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: the office of the Solicitor General,

7627
09:34:56,980 --> 09:34:58,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: abogado ng gobyerno,

7628
09:34:58,760 --> 09:34:59,580
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na sinasabi nila,

7629
09:35:00,020 --> 09:35:06,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: there is no legal impediment in enforcing Wage Order No. 27.

7630
09:35:06,660 --> 09:35:08,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The question again is,

7631
09:35:08,600 --> 09:35:12,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: even if that is very clear sa ating mga batas,

7632
09:35:13,000 --> 09:35:19,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: why is it the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect?

7633
09:35:25,020 --> 09:35:29,900
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Madam Speaker, again, just on the part of DepDev,

7634
09:35:30,060 --> 09:35:31,380
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: it was a collegial decision.

7635
09:35:32,820 --> 09:35:34,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7636
09:35:36,360 --> 09:35:39,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang punto ko po, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7637
09:35:41,380 --> 09:35:44,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa dinami-rami ko pong binanggit ng mga puntos,

7638
09:35:44,980 --> 09:35:47,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mismong DepDev na bahagi ng NWPC

7639
09:35:47,860 --> 09:35:52,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay lito, una, sa mga tunay na nangyari at naganap

7640
09:35:52,500 --> 09:35:54,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: leading to the issuance of Wage Order No. 27.

7641
09:35:55,020 --> 09:36:00,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mas nalito pa tayo lahat dahil may existing Wage Order No. 27

7642
09:36:00,480 --> 09:36:03,420
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at naglabas ng panibagong Wage Order No. 28

7643
09:36:03,420 --> 09:36:07,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kahit labag ito sa rules mismo ng NWPC.

7644
09:36:07,760 --> 09:36:10,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Second point, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7645
09:36:10,600 --> 09:36:12,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi nagkaroon ng public consultation.

7646
09:36:13,000 --> 09:36:17,280
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Third point, hindi rin nagkaroon ng meeting ang NWPC

7647
09:36:17,280 --> 09:36:20,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: para pagtibayin yung Wage Order No. 28.

7648
09:36:21,320 --> 09:36:23,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero binabanggit kanina, nagkaroon daw ng pulong,

7649
09:36:23,880 --> 09:36:24,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pero hindi rin nilaman.

7650
09:36:25,020 --> 09:36:27,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Malaman o matandaan saan sila nagpulong,

7651
09:36:27,520 --> 09:36:29,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: anong oras sila nagpulong, at merong kalituhan.

7652
09:36:30,540 --> 09:36:32,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7653
09:36:32,600 --> 09:36:36,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mas nagbibigay ito ng maraming tanong kaysa kalinawan.

7654
09:36:37,440 --> 09:36:40,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kaya ako po binibigyang din ito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7655
09:36:41,300 --> 09:36:44,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: malinaw po kasi na merong wage rollback na nangyari.

7656
09:36:45,200 --> 09:36:50,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Wage Order No. 27, total wage increase amounts to P85.

7657
09:36:51,180 --> 09:36:55,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: P60 of which, the first tranche,

7658
09:36:55,860 --> 09:36:57,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: effective na since July 25.

7659
09:36:58,480 --> 09:37:01,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: That means, kapag in-implement yung Wage Order No. 27,

7660
09:37:02,640 --> 09:37:06,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: may retroactive pay ang mga manggagawang minimum wage earner

7661
09:37:06,140 --> 09:37:09,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng P60 starting July 25.

7662
09:37:10,580 --> 09:37:16,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, pumapatak ang metro, mahigit P3,000 na ang naaagaw mula sa mga manggagawa.

7663
09:37:16,440 --> 09:37:17,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Hindi po simpleng halaga yan.

7664
09:37:18,140 --> 09:37:21,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Malaking tulong yan para sa mga manggagawa, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7665
09:37:21,720 --> 09:37:24,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, sa halip na tindigan,

7666
09:37:25,020 --> 09:37:29,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng NWPC, ng DOLE, kung ano yung kanyang mandato,

7667
09:37:29,600 --> 09:37:33,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dahil iginawad yan ng Kongreso sa visa ng RA 6727,

7668
09:37:35,080 --> 09:37:39,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nakikita po natin na parang isinasantabi o isinusuko

7669
09:37:39,780 --> 09:37:43,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng NWPC mismo kung saan pahagi ang DepDev,

7670
09:37:44,220 --> 09:37:46,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung kanyang responsibilidad at trabaho

7671
09:37:46,600 --> 09:37:53,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bilang merong exclusive jurisdiction on wage determination.

7672
09:37:55,020 --> 09:37:57,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun po ang punto dito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7673
09:37:58,600 --> 09:38:01,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mas malaking problema, because of Wage Order No. 28,

7674
09:38:02,440 --> 09:38:06,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: wala nang aasahan na retroactive pay yung mga manggagawa

7675
09:38:06,220 --> 09:38:09,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: unless otherwise clarified and cleared by the court.

7676
09:38:11,100 --> 09:38:13,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang problema pa dito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7677
09:38:14,220 --> 09:38:15,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: because of Wage Order No. 28,

7678
09:38:16,280 --> 09:38:20,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na wala na yung dagdag na P25 sa mga minimum wage earners

7679
09:38:20,480 --> 09:38:23,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na dapat matanggap nila Enero 2027.

7680
09:38:23,900 --> 09:38:27,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And it will produce another question.

7681
09:38:28,140 --> 09:38:32,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kung ang posisyon ng NWPC ay para magkaroon ng inovasyon

7682
09:38:32,660 --> 09:38:35,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maibigay na sa mga manggagawa, yung P60,

7683
09:38:35,640 --> 09:38:38,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ibig sabihin ba magkakaroon ng Wage Order No. 29?

7684
09:38:40,080 --> 09:38:44,820
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na magsasabi, magdagdag tayo ng panibagong P25

7685
09:38:44,820 --> 09:38:47,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: para sa mga minimum wage earners.

7686
09:38:47,700 --> 09:38:51,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: E di-veniolate na, nilabag na ng NWPC

7687
09:38:51,400 --> 09:38:53,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung kanyang sariling rules.

7688
09:38:53,900 --> 09:38:57,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Naglabas ng dalawang wage order sa isang taon

7689
09:38:57,380 --> 09:39:00,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at ngayon may question kung maglalabas ulit ng panibagong wage order.

7690
09:39:01,960 --> 09:39:04,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun po ang punto dito, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7691
09:39:05,440 --> 09:39:08,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mismong mga regional wage boards, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7692
09:39:09,240 --> 09:39:12,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ay hindi sumusunod sa mga proseso ng batas

7693
09:39:12,220 --> 09:39:19,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na ginawa para itakda yung minimum wage natatanggap ng mga manggagawa

7694
09:39:19,020 --> 09:39:20,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at yan po yung dahilan.

7695
09:39:20,140 --> 09:39:21,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mga manggagawa na tayo,

7696
09:39:22,200 --> 09:39:23,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: una, hindi nang-responsive,

7697
09:39:23,900 --> 09:39:25,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa pangangailangan ng mga manggagawa.

7698
09:39:26,200 --> 09:39:30,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ikalawa, nilalabag pa mismo ng mga ahensa ng gobyerno

7699
09:39:30,100 --> 09:39:31,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung ano nakasulat sa batas.

7700
09:39:32,580 --> 09:39:34,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kung hindi nasusunod ang batas,

7701
09:39:34,840 --> 09:39:39,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: logical lang na dapat reviewhin o repasuhin ang batas.

7702
09:39:39,780 --> 09:39:43,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon po, kung nakikita natin na may kaguluhan na nagaganap

7703
09:39:43,700 --> 09:39:46,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dito sa wage setting determination natin

7704
09:39:46,440 --> 09:39:49,040
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: as enshrined in RA 6727,

7705
09:39:49,800 --> 09:39:52,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nakakapagtaka po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

7706
09:39:52,340 --> 09:39:53,340
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that the position,

7707
09:39:53,900 --> 09:39:56,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: of the Secretary of Dep-Def,

7708
09:39:57,240 --> 09:39:58,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sabi po ay,

7709
09:39:58,680 --> 09:40:00,960
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: legislating a minimum wage

7710
09:40:00,960 --> 09:40:03,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is not the right thing to do.

7711
09:40:04,840 --> 09:40:07,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Papaano pong bibigyang matwid ng Dep-Def

7712
09:40:07,760 --> 09:40:10,560
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi tama ang pagle-legislate

7713
09:40:10,560 --> 09:40:12,420
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng minimum wage

7714
09:40:12,420 --> 09:40:14,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung nakikita na natin ngayon

7715
09:40:14,480 --> 09:40:17,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na malaki ang problema sa mga regional wage boards?

7716
09:40:18,280 --> 09:40:20,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: If we're going back to our history,

7717
09:40:21,100 --> 09:40:22,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: bakit nagkaroon ng RA 6727

7718
09:40:23,900 --> 09:40:27,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pinoproteksyonan niya yung wage setting mechanism?

7719
09:40:27,880 --> 09:40:29,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sabi nung mga nagtulak niyan,

7720
09:40:29,420 --> 09:40:32,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kailangan ma-insulate natin,

7721
09:40:32,560 --> 09:40:35,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mailayo natin mula sa awayan sa politika

7722
09:40:35,600 --> 09:40:36,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o pamumulitika

7723
09:40:36,720 --> 09:40:39,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: o pangingi-alam ng korte

7724
09:40:39,380 --> 09:40:41,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung wage setting determination natin.

7725
09:40:42,120 --> 09:40:43,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: That was in 1989.

7726
09:40:45,100 --> 09:40:48,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7727
09:40:48,960 --> 09:40:51,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nakikita na natin lahat ng kinatatakutan

7728
09:40:51,840 --> 09:40:53,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng mga gumawa ng batas noong 1989.

7729
09:40:53,900 --> 09:40:54,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ngayon, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7730
09:40:54,700 --> 09:40:56,440
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na ang niyayari na ngayon.

7731
09:40:57,760 --> 09:40:59,080
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pinanghimasukan ng korte

7732
09:40:59,080 --> 09:41:01,360
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung tungkol sa sahod

7733
09:41:01,360 --> 09:41:04,660
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at ikalawa, nilalabag na mismo ng gobyerno

7734
09:41:04,660 --> 09:41:06,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kung ano ang nakasulat sa batas

7735
09:41:06,600 --> 09:41:08,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na iginawad ng kongresong ito

7736
09:41:08,800 --> 09:41:12,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: papunta doon sa National Wages and Productivity Commission.

7737
09:41:12,840 --> 09:41:14,160
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And what we're going to hear

7738
09:41:14,160 --> 09:41:17,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: from Secretary Balisakan and Dep-Dev

7739
09:41:17,000 --> 09:41:19,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is that legislating a minimum wage

7740
09:41:19,900 --> 09:41:21,520
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: is not the right thing to do.

7741
09:41:22,440 --> 09:41:23,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Is it still the position of the government?

7742
09:41:23,800 --> 09:41:24,400
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Is it still the position of Dep-Dev

7743
09:41:24,400 --> 09:41:28,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na hindi po magkaroon ng legislated wage increase

7744
09:41:28,640 --> 09:41:33,720
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or any review on RA 6727

7745
09:41:33,720 --> 09:41:38,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: which determines and defines wage-setting mechanism?

7746
09:41:39,400 --> 09:41:40,580
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

7747
09:41:42,100 --> 09:41:45,240
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: The Chair would like to remind Representative San Fernando

7748
09:41:45,240 --> 09:41:46,240
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: that his time has expired.

7749
09:41:47,460 --> 09:41:50,220
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Please answer, Madam Sponsor.

7750
09:41:50,340 --> 09:41:51,420
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker.

7751
09:41:51,420 --> 09:41:53,640
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: At least on the part of Dep-Dev,

7752
09:41:53,800 --> 09:41:57,500
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: the Dep-Dev will just adhere to what the law says

7753
09:41:57,500 --> 09:42:00,820
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: with regards to wages

7754
09:42:00,820 --> 09:42:02,520
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: and determination of wages.

7755
09:42:04,000 --> 09:42:06,200
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: The Dep-Dev will just...

7756
09:42:06,200 --> 09:42:08,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Can you repeat that, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

7757
09:42:09,220 --> 09:42:12,400
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: It would adhere to what the law prescribed

7758
09:42:12,400 --> 09:42:15,020
Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing: with regards to determination of wages.

7759
09:42:15,460 --> 09:42:17,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7760
09:42:17,820 --> 09:42:20,160
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: as much as I would like to believe that,

7761
09:42:20,800 --> 09:42:23,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: alam niyo po, kanina ko pa po pinaulit-ulit,

7762
09:42:23,800 --> 09:42:26,500
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mga batas na po mismo na dapat nilang sundin,

7763
09:42:26,600 --> 09:42:27,420
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi nila ginagawa.

7764
09:42:28,700 --> 09:42:31,320
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mga batas na nakasulat sa ating...

7765
09:42:31,320 --> 09:42:33,900
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na iginawad sa kanila ng kongresyong ito,

7766
09:42:34,120 --> 09:42:35,000
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi nila ginagawa.

7767
09:42:35,480 --> 09:42:36,920
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Tapos sasabihin nila sa atin ngayon,

7768
09:42:37,040 --> 09:42:38,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

7769
09:42:39,000 --> 09:42:41,180
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: gagalangin nila kung ano nakasulat sa batas.

7770
09:42:41,500 --> 09:42:43,020
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ano ba namang clashing Dep-Dev yan?

7771
09:42:43,500 --> 09:42:45,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7772
09:42:46,000 --> 09:42:47,660
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Thank you, Representative San Fernando.

7773
09:42:47,780 --> 09:42:50,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So alam ko po, time's up na po ako, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

7774
09:42:50,800 --> 09:42:51,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Maraming salamat po.

7775
09:42:51,680 --> 09:42:53,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At least nabigyan po ng kalinawan,

7776
09:42:54,220 --> 09:42:55,460
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ang representasyong ito,

7777
09:42:55,900 --> 09:42:58,860
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: at sa lahat po ng mga manggagawang minimum wage earner

7778
09:42:58,860 --> 09:43:01,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa NCR at sa buong Pilipinas,

7779
09:43:01,580 --> 09:43:03,780
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ito po ang mga economic managers natin.

7780
09:43:04,080 --> 09:43:06,240
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Puro kalituhan ang ginagawa sa mga manggagawang.

7781
09:43:06,260 --> 09:43:06,940
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Majority Leader.

7782
09:43:07,160 --> 09:43:07,700
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Salamat po.

7783
09:43:09,900 --> 09:43:11,620
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Madam Speaker, may we recognize

7784
09:43:11,620 --> 09:43:13,680
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the Honorable Sarah Jane Elago

7785
09:43:13,680 --> 09:43:16,020
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: of the Gabriela Women's Party List

7786
09:43:16,020 --> 09:43:17,520
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: for her interpellation.

7787
09:43:18,040 --> 09:43:19,780
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Representative Sarah Jane Elago

7788
09:43:19,780 --> 09:43:20,920
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: of Gabriela Party List

7789
09:43:20,920 --> 09:43:23,040
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: is now recognized for her interpellation.

7790
09:43:23,800 --> 09:43:28,420
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maraming salamat, Madam Speaker.

7791
09:43:28,420 --> 09:43:31,060
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Isang ayon kay...