# House Plenary: FY 2027 General Appropriations Bill Day 1 Part 1 - September 15, 2026

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J60-qI82U3o

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**[00:07:05.940] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000035)  
Session resumed. Majority Leader.

**[00:07:09.900] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000035-split-2)  
Madam Speaker, considering that copies of Journal No. 7 dated September 7 to 9, 2026 were already distributed to the members, I move to dispense with the reading thereof and subsequently to approve the said journal.

**[00:07:25.940] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000036)  
Is there an objection?

**[00:07:27.820] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000037)  
The chair hears none. The motion is approved.

**[00:07:30.640] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000038)  
The reading of the said journal is dispensed with and journal number 7 dated September 7 to 9, 2026 is hereby approved.

**[00:07:39.540] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000039)  
Majority Leader?

**[00:07:41.100] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000040)  
Madam Speaker, I move to take up additional reference of business and may I request the Secretary General be directed to read the titles of bills, resolutions on first reading, as well as communications and committee.

**[00:07:53.580] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000041)  
Is there an objection?

**[00:07:55.100] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000042)  
The chair hears none.

**[00:07:55.800] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000043)  
The Secretary General is directed to read the titles of bills and resolutions on first reading, as well as messages, communications, and committee reports for referral to the appropriate committees.

**[00:08:10.080] Secretary-General** (asr-000044)  
Additional reference of business.

**[00:08:12.920] Secretary-General** (asr-000045)  
Bills on first reading.

**[00:08:14.960] Secretary-General** (asr-000046)  
House Bill No. 11243, further amending the Magna Carta for PWDs to provide for the lifetime validity of ID cards issued to persons with permanent disability.

**[00:08:24.780] Secretary-General** (asr-000047)  
For Representative Olivares.

**[00:08:27.140] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000048)  
For the Special Committee on Persons with Disabilities.

**[00:08:30.900] Secretary-General** (asr-000049)  
House Bill No. 11244, instituting a comprehensive housing program for public school teachers.

**[00:08:37.920] Secretary-General** (asr-000050)  
For Representative Olivares.

**[00:08:39.740] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000051)  
For the Committee on Housing and Urban Development.

**[00:08:42.560] Secretary-General** (asr-000052)  
House Bill No. 11245, prohibiting the pass-through and recovery of system loss charges from electricity consumers.

**[00:08:50.160] Secretary-General** (asr-000053)  
For Representative Olivares.

**[00:08:52.160] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000054)  
For the Committee on Energy.

**[00:08:53.700] Secretary-General** (asr-000055)  
House Bill No. 11245, prohibiting the pass-through and recovery of system loss charges from electricity consumers.

**[00:08:54.760] Secretary-General** (asr-000056)  
House Bill No. 11246, prohibiting threatening, harassing, coercive, and abusive debt collection practices by online lending applications, digital credit providers, financing companies, lending companies, and other similar entities.

**[00:09:08.520] Secretary-General** (asr-000057)  
For Representative Olivares.

**[00:09:10.180] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000058)  
For the Committee on Banks and Financial Intermediaries.

**[00:09:13.060] Secretary-General** (asr-000059)  
House Bill No. 11247, providing incentives and financial assistance for the modernization of public utility jeepneys and tricycles,

**[00:09:21.680] Secretary-General** (asr-000060)  
ensuring the protection of drivers and small transport operators,

**[00:09:24.760] Secretary-General** (asr-000061)  
during the transition.

**[00:09:26.660] Secretary-General** (asr-000062)  
For Representative Olivares.

**[00:09:28.580] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000063)  
For the Committee on Transportation.

**[00:09:30.760] Secretary-General** (asr-000064)  
House Bill No. 11248, strengthening the mental health services of SUCs.

**[00:09:36.300] Secretary-General** (asr-000065)  
For Representative Tianko.

**[00:09:38.440] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000066)  
For the Committee on Higher and Technical Education.

**[00:09:41.300] Secretary-General** (asr-000067)  
House Bill No. 11249, reestablishing the Presidential Commission on Good Government,

**[00:09:46.940] Secretary-General** (asr-000068)  
creating the Anti-Corruption and Forfeiture Commission.

**[00:09:49.840] Secretary-General** (asr-000069)  
For Representative Tan Keith Maika.

**[00:09:51.720] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000070)  
For the Committee on Justice and the Committee on Government Reorganization,

**[00:09:55.520] Secretary-General** (asr-000071)  
House Bill No. 11250, further strengthening the Anti-Money-Laundering Council.

**[00:10:02.040] Secretary-General** (asr-000072)  
For Representative Tan Keith Maika.

**[00:10:04.440] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000073)  
For the Committee on Banks and Financial Intermediaries.

**[00:10:07.540] Secretary-General** (asr-000074)  
House Bill No. 11251, establishing a DFA Passport Satellite Office in Lilawan, Cebu.

**[00:10:14.040] Secretary-General** (asr-000075)  
For Representative Prasco.

**[00:10:15.740] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000076)  
For the Committee on Foreign Affairs.

**[00:10:17.240] Secretary-General** (asr-000077)  
House Bill No. 11252, establishing the Philippine Safe Sports Center,

**[00:10:23.180] Secretary-General** (asr-000078)  
institutionalizing a national airport,

**[00:10:24.760] Secretary-General** (asr-000079)  
and the Athlete Safeguarding System.

**[00:10:26.640] Secretary-General** (asr-000080)  
For Representative Nazal.

**[00:10:28.180] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000081)  
For the Committee on Youth and Sports Development.

**[00:10:30.900] Secretary-General** (asr-000082)  
House Bill No. 11253, promoting urban flood resilience and rainwater harvesting

**[00:10:36.220] Secretary-General** (asr-000083)  
through the adoption of a National Urban Drainage and Runoff Management Code.

**[00:10:40.820] Secretary-General** (asr-000084)  
For Representative Nazal.

**[00:10:42.400] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000085)  
For the Committee on Public Works and Highways.

**[00:10:45.060] Secretary-General** (asr-000086)  
House Bill No. 11254, declaring it a policy of the State to provide universal access

**[00:10:50.480] Secretary-General** (asr-000087)  
to reliable, affordable, and environmentally sustainable electricity.

**[00:10:54.760] Secretary-General** (asr-000088)  
Establishing a comprehensive program for the solar electrification of barangays that remain off-grid.

**[00:11:00.740] Secretary-General** (asr-000089)  
For Representative Nazal.

**[00:11:02.300] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000090)  
For the Committee on Energy.

**[00:11:03.800] Secretary-General** (asr-000091)  
House Bill No. 11255, recognizing motorcycles as public utility vehicles.

**[00:11:10.200] Secretary-General** (asr-000092)  
For Representative Nazal.

**[00:11:11.760] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000093)  
For the Committee on Transportation.

**[00:11:13.800] Secretary-General** (asr-000094)  
House Bill No. 11256, prohibiting the direct or indirect recovery from water consumers

**[00:11:19.940] Secretary-General** (asr-000095)  
of costs attributable to non-revenue water, requiring water service providers

**[00:11:24.180] Secretary-General** (asr-000096)  
to reduce and publicly disclose water losses.

**[00:11:27.560] Secretary-General** (asr-000097)  
For Representative Nazal.

**[00:11:28.960] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000098)  
For the Committee on Public Works and Highways.

**[00:11:31.500] Secretary-General** (asr-000099)  
House Bill No. 11257, establishing the Overseas Filipino Workers Pension Fund

**[00:11:36.640] Secretary-General** (asr-000100)  
to provide pension to overseas Filipino workers.

**[00:11:39.880] Secretary-General** (asr-000101)  
For Representative Nazal.

**[00:11:41.300] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000102)  
For the Committee on Overseas Workers Affairs.

**[00:11:43.620] Secretary-General** (asr-000103)  
House Bill No. 11258, strengthening government support for the digital transformation of MSMEs

**[00:11:49.980] Secretary-General** (asr-000104)  
through e-commerce and responsible use of AI.

**[00:11:52.640] Secretary-General** (asr-000105)  
For Representative Nazal.

**[00:11:54.180] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000106)  
For the Committee on Micro-Small and Medium Enterprise Development.

**[00:11:58.000] Secretary-General** (asr-000107)  
House Bill No. 11259, promoting the widespread use of solar power among Filipinos,

**[00:12:04.400] Secretary-General** (asr-000108)  
providing incentives for solar energy adoption, establishing the Solar Power Access Program.

**[00:12:09.600] Secretary-General** (asr-000109)  
For Representative Nazal.

**[00:12:10.940] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000110)  
For the Committee on Energy.

**[00:12:13.400] Secretary-General** (asr-000111)  
Resolution.

**[00:12:14.980] Secretary-General** (asr-000112)  
House Resolution 1442, congratulating and commending Lea Salonga for her historic achievement

**[00:12:21.140] Secretary-General** (asr-000113)  
as the first Filipina to receive a star on the Hollywood...

**[00:12:24.180] Secretary-General** (asr-000114)  
Walk of Fame, and recognizing her extraordinary contributions to the performing arts,

**[00:12:29.500] Secretary-General** (asr-000115)  
Filipino culture, and global entertainment.

**[00:12:32.060] Secretary-General** (asr-000116)  
For Representative Olivares.

**[00:12:33.640] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000117)  
For the Special Committee on Creative Industries.

**[00:12:36.640] Secretary-General** (asr-000118)  
Committee Reports.

**[00:12:38.640] Secretary-General** (asr-000119)  
Committee Report No. 639 and 640, submitted by the Committee on Legislative Franchises,

**[00:12:44.500] Secretary-General** (asr-000120)  
on House Bill No. 11310 and 11311.

**[00:12:48.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000121)  
For the Committee on Rules.

**[00:12:50.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000122)  
Majority Leader.

**[00:12:52.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000123)  
Madam Speaker.

**[00:12:53.800] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000124)  
On the part of the majority, I move to nominate and elect

**[00:12:57.620] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000125)  
to the Committee on Appropriations as Vice Chairperson,

**[00:13:01.700] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000126)  
Representative Carl Fernandez Legazpi.

**[00:13:05.820] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000127)  
An objection? Hearing none, the motion is approved.

**[00:13:09.420] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000128)  
The Honorable Carl Legazpi of Pinoy Workers Party

**[00:13:12.420] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000129)  
is hereby elected as Vice Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations.

**[00:13:17.320] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000130)  
Majority Leader.

**[00:13:18.160] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000131)  
Madam Speaker, I move to suspend session for a few minutes.

**[00:13:21.060] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000132)  
Session suspended.

**[00:55:56.000] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000243)  
Session resumed.

**[00:55:58.000] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000244)  
Majority Leader.

**[00:56:00.000] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000245)  
Madam Speaker, before we proceed with the sponsorship and plenary deliberations on House Bill No. 10858, I move to recognize the Hon. Perci Cendaña of Akbayan Partylist for a brief manifestation.

**[00:56:16.220] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000246)  
The Hon. Perci Cendaña of Akbayan Partylist is hereby recognized for his manifestation.

**[00:56:21.920] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000247)  
Maraming salamat, Madam Speaker. Magandang hapon po sa ating mga kasamahan dito sa kapulongan ito at sa mga kababayan nating nanonood ngayon, lalong-lalo na ang mga miyembro ng Civil Society Organization.

**[00:56:35.520] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000248)  
Madam Speaker, my dear colleagues, this representation would like to raise an important concern from our Civil Society Organization.

**[00:56:43.540] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000249)  
Last year po, nagkaroon tayo ng guidelines on CSO participation. Ito po ang chinampion ng ating good chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations.

**[00:56:51.920] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000250)  
Chair Mika Suansing. Hindi naman po ito bago. May ganito na rin pong effort noong 15 Congress in 2006.

**[00:57:00.660] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000251)  
It seems that while we are driving towards the right direction, this year, parang biglang nag-U-turn po tayo.

**[00:57:09.260] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000252)  
Our CSOs are sharing their frustration about how they are being treated in the budget process for the 2027 General Appropriations Bill.

**[00:57:18.580] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000253)  
Sa isang inquiry article,

**[00:57:21.920] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000254)  
nabanggit po ng mga CSO na sila daw ay na-seen zone, ni hindi nalaman that we adopted last year's guidelines until week 2 of our budget deliberations.

**[00:57:32.440] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000255)  
Tapos ngayon, parang naghahabol tayo to bring them and draw them in.

**[00:57:37.520] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000256)  
Kaya po ang tanong natin, Madam Speaker, my dear colleagues, aniyari?

**[00:57:43.220] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000257)  
Saan po tayo nagkaroon ng gap in terms of coordinating with our CSOs?

**[00:57:47.400] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000258)  
Wala na bang mas makabulang participation than their questions being read out?

**[00:57:51.920] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000259)  
Will CSOs be informed and involved at sa magiging amendments sa budget through the BAR-C?

**[00:57:57.080] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000260)  
And most importantly, nagkaroon lang po ba ng guidelines on CSO participation last year dahil nabuking ang flood control projects?

**[00:58:05.620] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000261)  
Sa totoo lamang po, Madam Speaker, napakahalagan na ang transparency in winning back the confidence of our people in the budget process in this House.

**[00:58:15.500] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000262)  
What we began last year was a very significant and important step and we have to learn from that.

**[00:58:21.920] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000263)  
And from the unfortunate experiences of our CSO representatives this year.

**[00:58:27.300] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000264)  
We hope that it's not too late for the House leadership to take this matter seriously and act on it.

**[00:58:32.960] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000265)  
Hindi na pwedeng ipalusot lang sa kanila na we're still learning.

**[00:58:36.600] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000266)  
Pera ng taong bayan, sa bulsa ng mamamayang Pilipino galing, ang pinag-uusapan nating P7.2 trillion na ito.

**[00:58:43.660] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000267)  
Sa dulo po, hayaan po natin ang meaningful participation ng civil society organizations to define the kind of budget,

**[00:58:51.920] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000268)  
that our country really needs.

**[00:58:53.500] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-000269)  
Marami pong salamat, Madam Speaker.

**[00:58:57.300] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000270)  
Majority Leader.

**[00:58:58.620] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000271)  
Madam Speaker, under the calendar of business for the day, I move to consider House Bill No. 10858 as contained in Committee Report No. 638,

**[00:59:09.200] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000272)  
submitted by the Committee on Appropriations, and for this purpose, may request the Secretary-General be directed to read the title of the measure.

**[00:59:17.640] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000273)  
An objection?

**[00:59:19.640] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000274)  
Hearing none, the Secretary-General is hereby

**[00:59:21.920] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000275)  
directed to read the title of House Bill No. 10858.

**[00:59:27.300] Secretary-General** (asr-000276)  
House Bill No. 10858, an Act Appropriating Funds for the Operation of the Government of the Republic of the Philippines from January 1 to December 31, 2027.

**[00:59:41.780] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000277)  
Majority Leader.

**[00:59:42.680] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000278)  
Madam Speaker, I move to open the period of sponsorship and debate on general principles and provisions.

**[00:59:49.540] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000279)  
An objection?

**[00:59:50.720] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000280)  
Hearing none, said motion is approved.

**[00:59:51.920] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000284)  
The period of sponsorship and debate on general principles is hereby opened.

**[00:59:59.350] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000285)  
Madam Speaker.

**[01:00:00.000] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000286)  
I move to recognize the Chairperson

**[01:00:01.920] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000287)  
of the Committee on Appropriations

**[01:00:04.420] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000288)  
Representative

**[01:00:06.340] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000289)  
Mikaela Angela B. Suansing

**[01:00:08.420] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000290)  
of the 1st District of Nueva Ecija

**[01:00:10.240] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000291)  
Any objection?

**[01:00:11.820] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000292)  
Hearing none, the Honorable Swansing is hereby recognized

**[01:00:14.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000293)  
Thank you very much

**[01:00:16.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000294)  
Madam Speaker

**[01:00:17.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000295)  
Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleagues

**[01:00:20.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000296)  
Esteemed Members of the

**[01:00:22.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000297)  
Development Budget Coordination Committee

**[01:00:24.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000298)  
or the DBCC

**[01:00:25.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000299)  
Fellow Public Servants

**[01:00:27.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000300)  
Partners from Civil Society Organizations

**[01:00:30.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000301)  
and to the Filipino public

**[01:00:32.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000302)  
closely watching today's deliberations

**[01:00:34.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000303)  
Magandang araw po sa ating lahat

**[01:00:36.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000304)  
Today, we open

**[01:00:38.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000305)  
the plenary deliberations

**[01:00:40.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000306)  
for the Fiscal Year 2027

**[01:00:42.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000307)  
General Appropriations Bill

**[01:00:44.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000308)  
The backbone of our fiscal policy

**[01:00:47.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000309)  
and the clearest mirror

**[01:00:48.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000310)  
of our government's priorities

**[01:00:50.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000311)  
The Constitution entrusts

**[01:00:52.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000312)  
Congress with the power of the purse

**[01:00:55.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000313)  
A solemn responsibility

**[01:00:57.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000314)  
that demands integrity

**[01:00:58.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000315)  
and vigilance

**[01:01:00.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000316)  
The plenary deliberations

**[01:01:02.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000317)  
of the General Appropriations Bill

**[01:01:03.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000318)  
are among the greatest exercises

**[01:01:05.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000319)  
of our democracy

**[01:01:07.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000320)  
The spirited debates

**[01:01:09.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000321)  
that will result from these discussions

**[01:01:12.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000322)  
should ensure

**[01:01:13.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000323)  
that the General Appropriations Act

**[01:01:15.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000324)  
will represent the priorities

**[01:01:17.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000325)  
and necessities of every Filipino

**[01:01:20.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000326)  
from every corner of our archipelago

**[01:01:23.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000327)  
Our challenge

**[01:01:24.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000328)  
is to ask the difficult questions

**[01:01:26.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000329)  
test every assumption

**[01:01:28.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000330)  
and demand full justification

**[01:01:30.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000331)  
for every line item on the budget

**[01:01:32.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000332)  
to ensure that every peso

**[01:01:34.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000333)  
is grounded in science

**[01:01:36.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000334)  
feasibility

**[01:01:38.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000335)  
and genuine need

**[01:01:40.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000336)  
na ang bawat linya sa HGAB

**[01:01:42.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000337)  
ay may saysay

**[01:01:44.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000338)  
tiyak na kapaki-pakinabang

**[01:01:46.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000339)  
at direkta ang makakabuti

**[01:01:48.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000340)  
sa bawat pamilyang Pilipino

**[01:01:50.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000341)  
We deliberate on the proposed

**[01:01:52.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000342)  
7.2 trillion peso

**[01:01:54.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000343)  
for the government of the Philippines

**[01:01:56.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000344)  
under the fiscal year 2027

**[01:01:58.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000345)  
national budget

**[01:02:00.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000346)  
under a challenging fiscal landscape

**[01:02:02.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000347)  
The country is grappling

**[01:02:04.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000348)  
with slower economic growth

**[01:02:06.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000349)  
inflationary pressures

**[01:02:08.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000350)  
rising debt obligations

**[01:02:10.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000351)  
geopolitical conflict

**[01:02:12.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000352)  
volatile fuel prices

**[01:02:14.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000353)  
and climate-related risks

**[01:02:16.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000354)  
all of which place greater constraints

**[01:02:18.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000355)  
on our fiscal space

**[01:02:20.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000356)  
The DBCC has anchored

**[01:02:22.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000357)  
the proposed fiscal year 2027 budget

**[01:02:24.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000358)  
on the following assumptions

**[01:02:26.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000359)  
and projections

**[01:02:28.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000360)  
GDP growth at 5-6%

**[01:02:30.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000361)  
inflation within 4-5%

**[01:02:32.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000362)  
fiscal deficit

**[01:02:34.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000363)  
at 5.1% of GDP

**[01:02:36.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000364)  
debt to GDP ratio

**[01:02:38.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000365)  
of 64.6%

**[01:02:40.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000366)  
Our goal

**[01:02:42.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000367)  
over the course of these deliberations

**[01:02:44.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000368)  
is to craft a

**[01:02:46.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000369)  
2027 national budget

**[01:02:48.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000370)  
that would accelerate growth

**[01:02:50.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000371)  
despite this challenging fiscal landscape

**[01:02:52.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000372)  
which would give due consideration

**[01:02:54.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000373)  
and prioritization

**[01:02:56.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000374)  
to the pressing needs

**[01:02:58.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000375)  
of our most salient social

**[01:03:00.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000376)  
and economic sectors

**[01:03:02.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000377)  
It is our objective

**[01:03:04.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000378)  
to ensure that every aspect

**[01:03:06.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000379)  
of the budget must act towards

**[01:03:08.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000380)  
capacitating every Filipino

**[01:03:10.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000381)  
through quality education

**[01:03:12.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000382)  
and health care

**[01:03:14.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000383)  
stronger social services

**[01:03:16.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000384)  
quality jobs

**[01:03:18.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000385)  
in conjunction to ensuring food and energy security

**[01:03:20.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000386)  
critical infrastructure

**[01:03:22.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000387)  
and climate resilience

**[01:03:24.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000388)  
The proposed fiscal year

**[01:03:26.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000389)  
2027 General Appropriations Bill

**[01:03:28.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000390)  
was crafted in line

**[01:03:30.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000391)  
with the goals

**[01:03:32.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000392)  
of the Philippine Development Plan

**[01:03:34.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000393)  
2023 to 2028

**[01:03:36.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000394)  
and our ambition

**[01:03:38.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000395)  
2040

**[01:03:40.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000396)  
under the theme

**[01:03:42.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000397)  
People-Centered Growth

**[01:03:44.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000398)  
for an Inclusive and Resilient Future

**[01:03:46.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000399)  
Under the proposed fiscal year

**[01:03:48.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000400)  
2027 General Appropriations Bill

**[01:03:50.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000401)  
education currently has an allocation

**[01:03:52.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000402)  
of 1.326 trillion pesos

**[01:03:54.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000403)  
across basic

**[01:03:56.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000404)  
higher and technical

**[01:03:58.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000405)  
vocational education

**[01:04:00.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000406)  
representing a strong commitment

**[01:04:02.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000407)  
to invest in our next generation

**[01:04:04.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000408)  
Health remains a central priority

**[01:04:06.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000409)  
with a current allocation

**[01:04:08.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000410)  
of 353.76 billion pesos

**[01:04:10.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000411)  
across the Department of Health

**[01:04:12.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000412)  
PhilHealth

**[01:04:14.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000413)  
and our specialty hospitals

**[01:04:16.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000414)  
To directly support

**[01:04:18.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000415)  
the most vulnerable families

**[01:04:20.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000416)  
and to provide timely aid

**[01:04:22.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000417)  
for various sectors

**[01:04:24.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000418)  
the Department of Social Welfare and Development

**[01:04:26.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000419)  
has allocated

**[01:04:28.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000420)  
a total allocation

**[01:04:30.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000421)  
of 241.56 billion pesos

**[01:04:32.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000422)  
The Agriculture and Agrarian Reform Sector

**[01:04:34.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000423)  
is currently allocated

**[01:04:36.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000424)  
276.57 billion pesos

**[01:04:38.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000425)  
towards ensuring food security

**[01:04:40.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000426)  
and the welfare

**[01:04:42.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000427)  
of our beloved farmers

**[01:04:44.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000428)  
and fisherfolk

**[01:04:46.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000429)  
The allocations for these

**[01:04:48.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000430)  
as well as other sectors

**[01:04:50.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000431)  
will be subjected to further

**[01:04:52.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000432)  
rigorous scrutiny

**[01:04:54.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000433)  
over the course of the plenary deliberations

**[01:04:56.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000434)  
The final allocations

**[01:04:58.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000435)  
are truly reflective of

**[01:05:00.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000436)  
and responsive to the needs

**[01:05:02.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000437)  
of our kababayan

**[01:05:04.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000438)  
Bukod po dito

**[01:05:06.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000439)  
alinsunod sa panawagan

**[01:05:08.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000440)  
ng ating mga kababayan

**[01:05:10.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000441)  
na mas maging bukas ang proseso

**[01:05:12.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000442)  
ng pagbuon ng budget

**[01:05:14.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000443)  
matagumpay pong sinimulan

**[01:05:16.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000444)  
ng inyong Kongreso noong nakaraang taon

**[01:05:18.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000445)  
ang mga mahalagang reforma

**[01:05:20.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000446)  
We enacted a series

**[01:05:22.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000447)  
of structural reforms

**[01:05:24.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000448)  
that place transparency

**[01:05:26.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000449)  
and accountability

**[01:05:28.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000450)  
and public participation

**[01:05:30.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000451)  
at the center of our budget process

**[01:05:32.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000452)  
At ang ating mga magagandang na simulan

**[01:05:34.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000453)  
noong nakaraang taon

**[01:05:36.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000454)  
ipinagpapatuloy po natin

**[01:05:38.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000455)  
sa pagbuon ng budget

**[01:05:40.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000456)  
para sa taong 2027

**[01:05:42.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000457)  
Having successfully abolished

**[01:05:44.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000458)  
the Small Committee

**[01:05:46.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000459)  
and constituting

**[01:05:48.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000460)  
the Budget Amendments Review Subcommittee

**[01:05:50.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000461)  
or BARC last year

**[01:05:52.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000462)  
the BARC will once again

**[01:05:54.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000463)  
deliberate on amendments

**[01:05:56.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000464)  
to the 2027 HGAB

**[01:05:58.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000465)  
in a manner that is

**[01:06:00.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000466)  
open and transparent to the public

**[01:06:02.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000467)  
The BARC will work

**[01:06:04.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000468)  
over the next few weeks

**[01:06:06.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000469)  
in crafting refinements

**[01:06:08.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000470)  
to the General Appropriations Bill

**[01:06:10.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000471)  
that will be put forth

**[01:06:12.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000472)  
later on

**[01:06:14.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000473)  
for the consideration

**[01:06:16.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000474)  
of the House

**[01:06:18.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000475)  
before the House General Appropriations Bill

**[01:06:20.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000476)  
is approved on second reading

**[01:06:22.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000477)  
This Congress

**[01:06:24.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000478)  
has continually engaged

**[01:06:26.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000479)  
with civil society organizations

**[01:06:28.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000480)  
over the course of these deliberations

**[01:06:30.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000481)  
and conducted

**[01:06:32.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000482)  
the second People's Budget Review

**[01:06:34.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000483)  
before the start

**[01:06:36.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000484)  
of these debates

**[01:06:38.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000485)  
Moreover,

**[01:06:40.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000486)  
we are happy to report that

**[01:06:42.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000487)  
the Civil Society Organization

**[01:06:44.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000488)  
and People's Organization Corner

**[01:06:46.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000489)  
is now live

**[01:06:48.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000490)  
in the House of Representatives

**[01:06:50.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000491)  
website

**[01:06:52.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000492)  
and that is

**[01:06:54.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000493)  
a portal through which

**[01:06:56.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000494)  
our civil society organization partners

**[01:06:58.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000495)  
can access all pertinent documents

**[01:07:00.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000496)  
for example

**[01:07:02.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000497)  
a copy of the House General Appropriations Bill

**[01:07:04.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000498)  
the copy of the schedules

**[01:07:06.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000499)  
and the videos

**[01:07:08.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000500)  
the links to all the livestreams

**[01:07:10.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000501)  
of committee and plenary

**[01:07:12.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000502)  
as well as BARC deliberations

**[01:07:14.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000503)  
We want to engage

**[01:07:16.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000504)  
civil society organizations

**[01:07:18.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000505)  
meaningfully Madam Speaker

**[01:07:20.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000506)  
and we are taking all

**[01:07:22.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000507)  
the steps we could

**[01:07:24.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000508)  
to make that happen

**[01:07:26.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000509)  
Moreover,

**[01:07:28.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000510)  
we are coordinating with our counterparts

**[01:07:30.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000511)  
in the Senate to open the

**[01:07:32.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000512)  
Bicameral Conference Committee Proceedings

**[01:07:34.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000513)  
to the public for the second year

**[01:07:36.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000514)  
in history

**[01:07:38.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000515)  
Matibay po ang paninindigan

**[01:07:40.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000516)  
ng inyong Kongreso na

**[01:07:42.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000517)  
tanggalin ang tabing

**[01:07:44.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000518)  
sa usaping budget

**[01:07:46.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000519)  
at talagang ipakita kung

**[01:07:48.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000520)  
saan napupunta ang bawat piso

**[01:07:50.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000521)  
ng buwis na mula sa dugo

**[01:07:52.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000522)  
at pawis ng bawat Pilipino.

**[01:07:54.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000523)  
Madam Speaker

**[01:07:56.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000524)  
Distinguished colleagues

**[01:07:58.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000525)  
This budget

**[01:08:00.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000526)  
must be more than a spreadsheet of numbers

**[01:08:02.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000527)  
It must be a

**[01:08:04.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000528)  
covenant of accountability

**[01:08:06.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000529)  
This budget must embody

**[01:08:08.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000530)  
our collective resolve

**[01:08:10.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000531)  
to build a stronger and better

**[01:08:12.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000532)  
future for every Filipino

**[01:08:14.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000533)  
This budget needs

**[01:08:16.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000534)  
to hold a hope for a nation

**[01:08:18.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000535)  
where no Filipino is left

**[01:08:20.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000536)  
behind

**[01:08:22.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000537)  
I stand before this Chamber today

**[01:08:24.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000538)  
at eight and a half months pregnant

**[01:08:26.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000539)  
I do so

**[01:08:28.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000540)  
because the power of the purse

**[01:08:30.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000541)  
is not a privilege we exercise

**[01:08:32.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000542)  
when convenient

**[01:08:34.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000543)  
It is a constitutional duty

**[01:08:36.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000544)  
we owe to the Filipino people

**[01:08:38.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000545)  
in every season

**[01:08:40.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000546)  
and under every circumstance

**[01:08:42.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000547)  
Long after this plenary ends

**[01:08:44.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000548)  
a generation of

**[01:08:46.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000549)  
Filipinos will live

**[01:08:48.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000550)  
with what we decide

**[01:08:50.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000551)  
inside this August Chamber

**[01:08:52.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000552)  
Let them find

**[01:08:54.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000553)  
that we decided well

**[01:08:56.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000554)  
Nawa'y matagpuan

**[01:08:58.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000555)  
ng susunod na salinlahi

**[01:09:00.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000556)  
na tayo'y tumindig

**[01:09:02.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000557)  
ng tapat sa ating tungkulin.

**[01:09:04.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000558)  
Madam Speaker

**[01:09:06.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000559)  
I humbly sponsor

**[01:09:08.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000560)  
the proposed General Appropriations

**[01:09:10.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000561)  
Bill for Fiscal Year

**[01:09:12.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000562)  
2027 and respectfully

**[01:09:14.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000563)  
seek the support of our distinguished

**[01:09:16.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000564)  
colleagues in the House

**[01:09:18.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000565)  
for its passage

**[01:09:20.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000566)  
Together, let us ensure

**[01:09:22.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000567)  
that this budget reflects

**[01:09:24.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000568)  
the aspirations of our people

**[01:09:26.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000569)  
and strengthens trust

**[01:09:28.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000570)  
in our institutions

**[01:09:30.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000571)  
Sa bawat proyekto,

**[01:09:32.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000572)  
ang mamamayan ang dapat nasa sentro.

**[01:09:34.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000573)  
Sa bawat alokasyon,

**[01:09:36.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000574)  
ang kapakanan ng taong bayan

**[01:09:38.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000575)  
ang dapat maging pangunahing batayan.

**[01:09:40.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000576)  
Maraming salamat po.

**[01:09:42.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000577)  
Para sa Diyos at bayan.

**[01:09:44.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000578)  
Majority Leader

**[01:09:46.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000579)  
Madam Speaker

**[01:09:48.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000580)  
I move to suspend session for a few minutes

**[01:09:50.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000581)  
Session suspended

**[01:12:16.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000587)  
Session resumed

**[01:12:18.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000588)  
Majority Leader

**[01:12:20.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000589)  
Madam Speaker

**[01:12:22.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000590)  
May we acknowledge the presence

**[01:12:24.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000591)  
from the Development Budget

**[01:12:26.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000592)  
Coordination Committee

**[01:12:28.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000593)  
from the

**[01:12:30.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000594)  
Department of Budget and Management

**[01:12:32.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000595)  
Acting Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon

**[01:12:34.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000596)  
Under Secretary Janet B. Abuel

**[01:12:36.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000597)  
Under Secretary

**[01:12:38.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000598)  
Mary Anne Z. Dela Vega

**[01:12:40.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000599)  
Under Secretary

**[01:12:42.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000600)  
Ryan S. Lita

**[01:12:44.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000601)  
Under Secretary

**[01:12:46.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000602)  
Goddes Hope O. Libiran

**[01:12:48.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000603)  
Under Secretary

**[01:12:50.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000604)  
Wilford Will L. Wong

**[01:12:52.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000605)  
From the Department of Economy, Planning and Development

**[01:12:54.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000606)  
Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan

**[01:12:56.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000607)  
Under Secretary

**[01:12:58.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000608)  
Rosemarie G. Edillon

**[01:13:00.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000609)  
Under Secretary

**[01:13:02.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000610)  
Dennis S. Mapa

**[01:13:04.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000611)  
Under Secretary

**[01:13:06.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000612)  
Joseph J. Capuno

**[01:13:08.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000613)  
Under Secretary

**[01:13:10.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000614)  
Melbourne Ziro D. Pana

**[01:13:12.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000615)  
Under Secretary

**[01:13:14.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000616)  
Glenda R. Rumohr

**[01:13:16.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000617)  
From the Department of Finance, Under Secretary

**[01:13:18.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000618)  
[unclear] S. Adriano

**[01:13:20.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000619)  
Under Secretary Rolando T. Ligon, Jr.

**[01:13:23.000] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000620)  
Under Secretary

**[01:13:24.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000621)  
Catherine L. Fong

**[01:13:26.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000622)  
Under Secretary

**[01:13:28.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000623)  
Maria Angela E. Ignacio

**[01:13:30.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000624)  
Under Secretary

**[01:13:32.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000625)  
Joven Z. Balbosa

**[01:13:34.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000626)  
Under Secretary

**[01:13:36.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000627)  
Krystal Lyn T. Uy

**[01:13:38.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000628)  
and OIC

**[01:13:40.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000629)  
Under Secretary

**[01:13:42.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000630)  
Niño Raymond B. Alvina

**[01:13:44.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000631)  
From the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas

**[01:13:46.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000632)  
Deputy Governor

**[01:13:48.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-000633)  
Mamerto E. Tangonan

**[01:13:50.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000634)  
To the officials of the

**[01:13:52.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000635)  
Department of Budget and Management

**[01:13:54.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000636)  
headed by our Acting Secretary

**[01:13:56.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000637)  
Kim Robert C. De Leon

**[01:13:58.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000638)  
From the Department of Economy, Planning and Development

**[01:14:00.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000639)  
headed by the

**[01:14:02.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000640)  
Honorable Secretary Arsenio Balisacan

**[01:14:04.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000641)  
From the Department of Finance

**[01:14:06.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000642)  
headed by

**[01:14:08.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000643)  
Under Secretary

**[01:14:10.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000644)  
Karlo Fermin Adriano

**[01:14:12.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000645)  
under the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas

**[01:14:14.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000646)  
represented by Deputy Governor

**[01:14:16.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000647)  
Mamerto Tangonan

**[01:14:18.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000648)  
At sa lahat ng

**[01:14:20.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000649)  
kaakibat sa DBCC

**[01:14:22.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000650)  
family, maraming salamat

**[01:14:24.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000651)  
sa inyong presensya.

**[01:14:26.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000652)  
Your tolerance,

**[01:14:28.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000653)  
patience, sacrifice

**[01:14:30.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000654)  
and hard work is truly

**[01:14:32.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000655)  
appreciated by the Filipino people.

**[01:14:34.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000656)  
Welcome to the House

**[01:14:36.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000657)  
of the People.

**[01:14:38.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000658)  
Majority Leader

**[01:14:40.500] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000659)  
Madam Speaker, I move to recognize

**[01:14:42.500] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000660)  
Chairwoman

**[01:14:44.500] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000661)  
Mika Suansing

**[01:14:46.500] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000662)  
Chairperson of the Committee of

**[01:14:48.500] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000663)  
Appropriations to answer questions

**[01:14:50.500] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000664)  
on General Principles and

**[01:14:52.500] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000665)  
Provisions.

**[01:14:53.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000665-split-2)  
The Honorable

**[01:14:54.500] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000666)  
Mika Suansing is recognized.

**[01:14:56.500] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000667)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:14:58.500] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000668)  
I move to recognize

**[01:14:59.800] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000669)  
our first interpellator,

**[01:15:02.060] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000670)  
Minority Leader Marcelino

**[01:15:03.840] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000671)  
C. Libanan.

**[01:15:06.360] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000672)  
Sorry, ma'am, I withdraw my motion.

**[01:15:08.260] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000673)  
Ma'am, Madam Speaker,

**[01:15:10.320] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000674)  
I move to suspend session for a few minutes.

**[01:15:11.820] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000675)  
Session suspended.

**[01:17:07.240] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000680)  
Session resumed.

**[01:17:09.560] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000681)  
Majority Leader.

**[01:17:10.620] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000682)  
Madam Speaker, I move to recognize

**[01:17:13.000] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000683)  
Minority Leader, the Honorable

**[01:17:14.760] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000684)  
Marcelino C. Libanan

**[01:17:16.400] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000685)  
from the 4Ps Party-list to interpellate

**[01:17:18.660] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-000686)  
the sponsor.

**[01:17:20.460] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000687)  
The brilliant legislator

**[01:17:22.720] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000688)  
from the province of Samar,

**[01:17:25.340] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000689)  
the Honorable Minority Leader

**[01:17:26.920] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000690)  
representing 4Ps

**[01:17:28.640] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000691)  
Party-list,

**[01:17:30.000] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000692)  
Nonoy Libanan is hereby recognized

**[01:17:31.400] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-000693)  
for his interpellation.

**[01:17:33.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000694)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[01:17:38.140] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000695)  
And good afternoon

**[01:17:39.620] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000696)  
to our sponsor,

**[01:17:42.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000697)  
Honorable

**[01:17:43.260] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000698)  
Suansing and

**[01:17:44.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000699)  
the DBCC family.

**[01:17:48.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000700)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:17:50.360] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000701)  
before we discuss

**[01:17:51.460] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000702)  
individual departments,

**[01:17:53.720] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000703)  
may I begin with the principles

**[01:17:55.380] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000704)  
that should govern

**[01:17:57.260] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000705)  
this entire bill.

**[01:18:00.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000706)  
A national budget

**[01:18:01.160] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000707)  
is more than a table

**[01:18:03.560] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000708)  
of appropriations.

**[01:18:06.120] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000709)  
It tells us what government

**[01:18:07.740] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000710)  
considers important,

**[01:18:10.100] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000711)  
who bears the burden

**[01:18:11.520] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000712)  
when fiscal space

**[01:18:13.660] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000713)  
is tight, where development

**[01:18:16.040] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000714)  
will occur, and what

**[01:18:17.960] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000715)  
safeguards Congress

**[01:18:19.980] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000716)  
places around the people's

**[01:18:21.980] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000717)  
money.

**[01:18:23.480] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000718)  
There are provisions in this bill

**[01:18:25.720] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000719)  
that deserve recognition.

**[01:18:29.320] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000720)  
The significance

**[01:18:29.920] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000721)  
reduction in unprogrammed

**[01:18:32.440] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000722)  
appropriations is one.

**[01:18:35.160] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000723)  
Greater transparency

**[01:18:36.420] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000724)  
in those budget processes

**[01:18:37.980] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000725)  
is another.

**[01:18:40.300] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000726)  
But precisely

**[01:18:41.240] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000727)  
because Congress has improved

**[01:18:44.180] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000728)  
the process,

**[01:18:46.040] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000729)  
we should now ask the harder questions

**[01:18:48.080] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000730)  
about the substance.

**[01:18:51.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000731)  
How much of this

**[01:18:51.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000732)  
7.2 trillion

**[01:18:53.680] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000733)  
do we actually control?

**[01:18:57.280] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000734)  
Are appropriations

**[01:18:58.420] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000735)  
specific enough?

**[01:18:59.920] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000736)  
For Congress to know

**[01:19:01.420] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000737)  
where the money will go?

**[01:19:04.760] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000738)  
Do the special provisions

**[01:19:06.400] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000739)  
preserve congressional intent?

**[01:19:10.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000740)  
Are constitutional

**[01:19:12.560] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000741)  
priorities protected?

**[01:19:15.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000742)  
Is spending

**[01:19:16.840] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000743)  
geographically fair?

**[01:19:19.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000744)  
And what

**[01:19:21.060] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000745)  
measurable results

**[01:19:22.440] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000746)  
should the people expect

**[01:19:24.220] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000747)  
in return?

**[01:19:26.320] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000748)  
Those are the principles

**[01:19:28.280] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000749)  
by which the minority

**[01:19:29.840] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000750)  
proposes to examine this bill.

**[01:19:32.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000751)  
The General Appropriations Act

**[01:19:34.740] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000752)  
is not merely

**[01:19:36.340] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000753)  
a schedule of amounts.

**[01:19:38.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000754)  
It is the principal

**[01:19:40.460] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000755)  
instrument through which Congress

**[01:19:42.400] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000756)  
determines priorities,

**[01:19:44.800] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000757)  
imposes conditions

**[01:19:46.220] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000758)  
on expenditure,

**[01:19:48.580] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000759)  
safeguards public money,

**[01:19:50.940] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000760)  
and holds

**[01:19:51.660] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000761)  
executive accountable

**[01:19:54.440] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000762)  
for results.

**[01:19:58.200] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000763)  
Madam Sponsor,

**[01:19:59.840] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000764)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:20:01.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000765)  
would you agree

**[01:20:03.620] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000766)  
that Congress is not entirely free

**[01:20:07.360] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000767)  
to rank all expenditures equally

**[01:20:09.560] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000768)  
because the Constitution itself

**[01:20:12.460] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000769)  
establishes certain priorities,

**[01:20:15.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000770)  
most expressly

**[01:20:17.380] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000771)  
the command to assign

**[01:20:19.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000772)  
the highest budgetary priority

**[01:20:21.700] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000773)  
to education?

**[01:20:28.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000774)  
Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, yes. Um,

**[01:20:31.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000777)  
however, in that particular instance,

**[01:20:33.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000778)  
it is actually for the benefit

**[01:20:35.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000779)  
of our countrymen that such

**[01:20:37.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000780)  
provision which states that education

**[01:20:39.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000781)  
has to be the highest budgetary

**[01:20:42.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000782)  
allocation,

**[01:20:43.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000783)  
it's actually beneficial to our countrymen.

**[01:20:47.760] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000784)  
Then, Madam Speaker,

**[01:20:49.620] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000785)  
when Congress

**[01:20:51.820] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000786)  
evaluates this bill, shouldn't we look

**[01:20:53.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000787)  
not merely on whether education

**[01:20:55.640] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000788)  
receives the largest

**[01:20:57.620] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000789)  
nominal amount, but whether

**[01:20:59.720] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000790)  
our overall fiscal choices

**[01:21:01.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000791)  
preserve constitutional priorities

**[01:21:04.800] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000792)  
given to education

**[01:21:06.660] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000793)  
despite

**[01:21:08.100] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000794)  
rising automatic obligation?

**[01:21:13.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000795)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:21:14.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000796)  
distinguished colleague,

**[01:21:15.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000797)  
yes, I agree with

**[01:21:18.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000798)  
our distinguished colleague.

**[01:21:20.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000799)  
However, when we look at the budget

**[01:21:21.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000800)  
and we determine

**[01:21:23.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000801)  
the allocations

**[01:21:26.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000802)  
for the different agencies,

**[01:21:28.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000803)  
we look at it at a holistic level.

**[01:21:29.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000804)  
But, yes, I agree, Madam Speaker.

**[01:21:33.060] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000805)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:21:33.840] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000806)  
I raised this question because

**[01:21:35.540] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000807)  
comparison between

**[01:21:37.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000808)  
the interest payment

**[01:21:39.760] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000809)  
and the budget

**[01:21:41.980] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000810)  
for DepEd

**[01:21:42.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000811)  
is 1.114 trillion

**[01:21:46.720] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000812)  
for interest payments

**[01:21:48.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000813)  
and

**[01:21:49.560] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000814)  
976 billion

**[01:21:51.840] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000815)  
for the Department

**[01:21:53.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000816)  
of Education.

**[01:21:55.920] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000817)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:21:56.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000818)  
would the sponsor

**[01:21:58.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000819)  
agree?

**[01:21:59.720] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000820)  
That, as a general rule,

**[01:22:02.580] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000821)  
Congress should prepare

**[01:22:04.580] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000822)  
specific itemized appropriations

**[01:22:07.240] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000823)  
over broad lump sums

**[01:22:09.720] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000824)  
whenever the expenditure

**[01:22:11.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000825)  
can reasonably be identified

**[01:22:13.940] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000826)  
in advance?

**[01:22:16.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000827)  
Yes, Madam Speaker,

**[01:22:18.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000828)  
distinguished colleague, I agree.

**[01:22:19.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000829)  
Where possible, we would prefer

**[01:22:22.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000830)  
specific line items over lump sum amounts.

**[01:22:26.060] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000831)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker,

**[01:22:26.800] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000832)  
for that answer.

**[01:22:28.040] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000833)  
But, Madam Speaker,

**[01:22:29.720] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000834)  
there are items

**[01:22:31.260] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000835)  
which we cannot really calculate.

**[01:22:33.620] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000836)  
Example, calamities.

**[01:22:36.540] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000837)  
We shall have

**[01:22:37.300] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000838)  
leeway for that.

**[01:22:41.940] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000839)  
It cannot be predicted.

**[01:22:43.920] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000840)  
But roads, bridges,

**[01:22:46.640] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000841)  
buildings, and other

**[01:22:47.600] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000842)  
identified infrastructure

**[01:22:50.080] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000843)  
normally can be.

**[01:22:53.540] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000844)  
Can the sponsor

**[01:22:54.320] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000845)  
therefore assure the House

**[01:22:55.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000846)  
that broad lump sums

**[01:22:57.800] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000847)  
have not simply been

**[01:22:58.580] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000848)  
migrated from

**[01:23:00.940] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000849)  
unprogrammed appropriations

**[01:23:02.620] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000850)  
into programmed appropriations

**[01:23:04.980] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000851)  
or special provision?

**[01:23:21.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000852)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[01:23:22.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000853)  
Distinguished colleague,

**[01:23:23.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000854)  
with regard to that particular instance,

**[01:23:25.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000855)  
in response to the calamities,

**[01:23:27.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000856)  
we do have

**[01:23:28.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000857)  
the NDRRMF, which at the moment has an allocation of 45.67 billion. While that is a lump sum amount, we do have within it QRF allocations for the different agencies.

**[01:23:44.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000858)  
In that case, given that it needs to be flexible to be able to respond to whichever agencies, calamities, or activities would need to be funded at a particular time, for this particular instance, a lump sum amount is actually preferable for the NDRRMF.

**[01:24:07.540] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000859)  
Thank you for that, Madam Speaker.

**[01:24:10.420] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000860)  
Because our country is most often visited by typhoons and catastrophes.

**[01:24:18.080] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000861)  
Would the sponsor agree that a special provision should implement an appropriation approved by Congress and should not effectively create a new spending authority that is broader than the appropriation itself?

**[01:24:44.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000862)  
Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, a special provision sets the condition by which an appropriation can be disbursed.

**[01:24:58.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000863)  
So, a special provision emanates from the appropriation itself.

**[01:25:02.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000864)  
So, in theory, technically speaking, a special provision would not supersede a particular appropriation.

**[01:25:09.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000865)  
And this conforms to our Constitution and applicable law.

**[01:25:14.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000866)  
Madam Speaker.

**[01:25:15.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000867)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[01:25:17.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000868)  
Then, can the sponsor assure this Chamber that there is no provision in this bill that allows funds appropriated for one clearly defined purpose to be redirected to an unrelated purpose without returning to Congress?

**[01:26:07.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000869)  
Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, in general, that is the case.

**[01:26:10.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000870)  
However, there is a general provision within the

**[01:26:14.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000871)  
General Appropriations Bill which allows for the declaration and use of savings, which is guided by Supreme Court jurisprudence.

**[01:26:22.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000872)  
But generally, aside from that particular case, generally, whichever intended use is there when the GAA was approved should be eventually the use for a particular fund.

**[01:26:44.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000873)  
Madam Speaker, we can also probably revisit on augmentation, on fund transfers, on GOCC remittances, foreign assisted fund projects, lump sum infrastructure,

**[01:27:00.860] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000874)  
LGU support funds, and release of unprogrammed appropriations.

**[01:27:05.280] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000875)  
Madam Speaker.

**[01:27:22.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000876)  
Madam Speaker, my apologies.

**[01:27:24.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000877)  
May I clarify if there is a question from the Honorable Minority Leader, or is it more of an example of the different kinds of funds?

**[01:27:32.300] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000878)  
It's just to revisit like your assurance that the Madam Sponsor gave us about the use of savings.

**[01:27:40.480] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000879)  
Perhaps we can revisit the appropriate

**[01:27:44.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000880)  
laws on this so that, if possible, we go back to Congress for appropriation.

**[01:28:50.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000882)  
Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, after consultation with DBM, for those particular items, generally it is governed by the general provision on the Declaration and Use of Savings.

**[01:29:02.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000883)  
However, upon conferring with the DBM, what they can assure is that they will make sure that they will strictly adhere to whichever conditions are there that is set forth in the general provision for the use of savings.

**[01:29:16.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000884)  
So there will, because that particular general provision is also authorized by Congress, but what they can assure, what the DBM can assure is that those funds will not be reallocated.

**[01:29:32.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000885)  
They will not be reallocated or augmented without adherence to the particular conditions set forth in the general provision.

**[01:29:43.280] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000886)  
Thank you for that assurance, Madam Speaker.

**[01:29:45.800] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000887)  
Madam Speaker, of the 7.2 trillion before us, how much is truly discretionary and how much is already committed by automatic appropriations, statutory transfers?

**[01:30:00.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000888)  
personal obligations, and debt service.

**[01:30:04.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000889)  
Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

**[01:30:07.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000890)  
in terms of the split for the 7.2 trillion pesos,

**[01:30:11.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000891)  
4.494 trillion is under programmed appropriations

**[01:30:15.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000892)  
and 2.706 trillion is under automatic appropriations.

**[01:30:21.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000893)  
So on the part of Congress,

**[01:30:24.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000894)  
in the General Appropriations Bill,

**[01:30:26.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000895)  
we are unable to touch the automatic appropriations.

**[01:30:29.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000896)  
So we are looking at the 4.494 trillion pesos

**[01:30:33.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000897)  
under programmed appropriations.

**[01:30:35.920] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000898)  
That's why this question, Madam Speaker,

**[01:30:37.980] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000899)  
because we are only appropriating 4.9 trillion

**[01:30:41.320] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000900)  
in comparison to the 7.2 trillion

**[01:30:45.300] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000901)  
we are releasing in our headlines, Madam Speaker.

**[01:30:50.120] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000902)  
So it's only 4.9 trillion.

**[01:30:53.700] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000903)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:30:55.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000904)  
would the sponsor agree

**[01:30:57.160] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000905)  
that an appropriation

**[01:30:59.000] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000906)  
is not merely an accomplishment?

**[01:31:01.760] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000907)  
That the proper measure

**[01:31:03.460] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000908)  
is whether the money is obligated,

**[01:31:06.700] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000909)  
disbursed,

**[01:31:07.680] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000910)  
and produces the promised physical

**[01:31:10.320] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000911)  
or social result?

**[01:31:13.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000912)  
I agree, Madam Speaker.

**[01:31:15.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000913)  
I agree completely

**[01:31:16.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000914)  
with our Honorable Minority Leader.

**[01:31:18.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000915)  
The gauge really is the impact

**[01:31:20.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000916)  
of these items.

**[01:31:23.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000917)  
What would be the benefit

**[01:31:24.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000918)  
that these allocations would give

**[01:31:26.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000919)  
to our countrymen?

**[01:31:27.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000920)  
They are not simply

**[01:31:28.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000921)  
numbers on a page.

**[01:31:31.520] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000922)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:31:32.740] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000923)  
I would like to emphasize this,

**[01:31:34.100] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000924)  
that this is only the beginning,

**[01:31:36.260] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000925)  
but the more important

**[01:31:38.540] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000926)  
benefit of appropriation

**[01:31:41.200] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000927)  
is implementation.

**[01:31:45.160] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000928)  
Implementation of this

**[01:31:46.760] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000929)  
appropriated fund.

**[01:31:48.980] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000930)  
So that this will redound

**[01:31:50.700] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000931)  
really to the benefit

**[01:31:52.760] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000932)  
of our people.

**[01:31:55.620] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000933)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:32:02.440] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000934)  
Then should agencies receiving major increases be required to show their obligation, disbursement, and physical accomplishment rates before Congress increases their budget?

**[01:32:25.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000935)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:32:29.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000936)  
Distinguished colleague, yes, that is the case.

**[01:32:32.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000937)  
There is also an assessment

**[01:32:34.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000938)  
of the utilization rate, especially

**[01:32:36.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000939)  
for agencies that receive high

**[01:32:38.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000940)  
allocations.

**[01:32:39.900] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000941)  
Madam Speaker, we shall see to it

**[01:32:42.440] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000942)  
that if there is

**[01:32:43.840] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000943)  
low utilization,

**[01:32:47.720] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000944)  
we shall not be increasing

**[01:32:50.280] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000945)  
their budget, Madam Speaker.

**[01:32:52.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000946)  
And like the

**[01:32:53.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000947)  
2027 budget,

**[01:32:56.400] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000948)  
we did not allow them to

**[01:32:58.040] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000949)  
increase their budget because of

**[01:32:59.800] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000950)  
low utilization

**[01:33:02.160] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000951)  
rate. Madam

**[01:33:04.260] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000952)  
Speaker, would the sponsor

**[01:33:06.120] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000953)  
agree that the national budget

**[01:33:08.480] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000954)  
financed by all Filipinos

**[01:33:10.400] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000955)  
should reasonably

**[01:33:12.180] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000956)  
distribute development

**[01:33:14.320] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000957)  
opportunities throughout the country?

**[01:33:17.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000958)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[01:33:21.040] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000959)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:33:22.920] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000960)  
I agree.

**[01:33:23.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000961)  
That equality

**[01:33:25.760] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000962)  
does not mean

**[01:33:27.540] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000963)  
identical amounts.

**[01:33:30.100] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000964)  
We cannot talk of identical amounts,

**[01:33:32.160] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000965)  
but should the criteria

**[01:33:33.580] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000966)  
not include poverty,

**[01:33:36.200] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000967)  
infrastructure deficits,

**[01:33:37.880] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000968)  
geographic isolation,

**[01:33:40.220] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000969)  
and disaster exposure,

**[01:33:42.840] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000970)  
not merely on

**[01:33:44.060] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000971)  
existing economic activity

**[01:33:46.200] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000972)  
and project

**[01:33:47.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000973)  
readiness. Would you agree,

**[01:33:49.900] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000974)  
Madam Speaker?

**[01:33:51.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000975)  
Yes, Madam Speaker, there should be different

**[01:33:53.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000976)  
parameters for determining the

**[01:33:55.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000977)  
allocations of different

**[01:33:57.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000978)  
regions or different geographic locations.

**[01:34:01.580] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000979)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:34:03.800] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000980)  
Madam Sponsor,

**[01:34:05.980] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000981)  
if we strip away the individual

**[01:34:07.600] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000982)  
agencies for a moment,

**[01:34:10.200] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000983)  
how would you describe

**[01:34:11.620] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000984)  
the fiscal strategy of this bill?

**[01:34:14.940] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000985)  
Is it

**[01:34:15.400] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000986)  
principally a revenue expansion

**[01:34:17.760] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000987)  
budget, a borrowing

**[01:34:19.620] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000988)  
budget, or an

**[01:34:21.540] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-000989)  
expenditure compression budget?

**[01:34:53.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000992)  
Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague,

**[01:34:55.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000993)  
this budget is a product

**[01:34:57.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000994)  
of two things.

**[01:34:59.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000995)  
First, it is a product of the fiscal

**[01:35:01.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000996)  
consolidation strategy wherein

**[01:35:03.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000997)  
the particular expenditures are

**[01:35:05.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000998)  
determined to reduce the

**[01:35:07.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000999)  
deficit, but also by

**[01:35:09.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001000)  
choosing the quality

**[01:35:11.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001001)  
of the spending, we are also hoping

**[01:35:13.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001002)  
that this budget would be

**[01:35:15.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001003)  
a recovery budget.

**[01:35:17.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001004)  
It would help the country go

**[01:35:19.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001005)  
back towards the targets,

**[01:35:21.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001006)  
the macroeconomic targets,

**[01:35:23.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001007)  
that inevitably

**[01:35:25.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001008)  
needed to be

**[01:35:27.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001009)  
lowered as a result of

**[01:35:29.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001010)  
external factors,

**[01:35:31.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001011)  
external shocks, geopolitical

**[01:35:33.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001012)  
conflicts, and other

**[01:35:35.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001013)  
items that affected

**[01:35:37.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001014)  
the global trade market.

**[01:35:39.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-001015)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:35:41.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-001016)  
that would be all

**[01:35:43.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-001017)  
for my interpellation.

**[01:35:45.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-001018)  
Thank you, distinguished Sponsor.

**[01:35:47.780] Minority Leader Marcelino C. Libanan** (asr-001019)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[01:35:49.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001020)  
Thank you very much, Madam Speaker,

**[01:35:51.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001021)  
and thank you very much to the Honorable

**[01:35:53.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001022)  
Minority Leader.

**[01:35:55.780] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001023)  
Majority Leader.

**[01:35:57.780] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-001024)  
Mr. Speaker, I move that we

**[01:35:59.780] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-001025)  
recognize the Honorable Edgar R.

**[01:36:01.780] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-001026)  
Erice from the 2nd District of

**[01:36:03.780] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-001027)  
Caloocan to interpolate

**[01:36:05.780] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-001028)  
the sponsor.

**[01:36:09.780] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001029)  
The Honorable Edgar Erice of the 2nd

**[01:36:11.780] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001030)  
District of Caloocan City,

**[01:36:13.780] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001031)  
a very good friend of

**[01:36:15.780] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001032)  
ours,

**[01:36:17.780] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001033)  
is hereby recognized for his

**[01:36:19.780] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001034)  
interpolation.

**[01:36:23.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001035)  
Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.

**[01:36:25.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001036)  
To the Chairman of the

**[01:36:27.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001037)  
Committee on Appropriation,

**[01:36:29.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001038)  
may I ask

**[01:36:31.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001039)  
a few questions?

**[01:36:33.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001040)  
Yes, Madam Speaker. It would be my honor

**[01:36:35.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001041)  
to field questions

**[01:36:37.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001042)  
from the Honorable Edgar Erice.

**[01:36:39.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001043)  
Thank you, ma'am. Madam Speaker,

**[01:36:41.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001044)  
Madam Chair,

**[01:36:43.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001045)  
Tama po ba

**[01:36:45.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001046)  
na ang layunin ng

**[01:36:47.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001047)  
P7.2 trilyong panukalang budget

**[01:36:49.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001048)  
ay hindi lamang pataasin

**[01:36:51.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001049)  
ang government spending,

**[01:36:53.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001050)  
kundi tiyakin ang quality spending,

**[01:36:55.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001051)  
paggastang na

**[01:36:57.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001052)  
magpapalago sa ekonomiya

**[01:36:59.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001053)  
at direktang magpapabuti

**[01:37:01.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001054)  
sa buhay ng mga mamamayan?

**[01:37:03.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001055)  
Opo, Madam Speaker.

**[01:37:05.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001056)  
Kung gano'n, maaari po bang

**[01:37:07.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001057)  
tukuyin kung magkano sa

**[01:37:09.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001058)  
P7.2 trillion ang tunay na

**[01:37:11.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001059)  
nakalaan sa mga

**[01:37:13.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001060)  
bagong development programs

**[01:37:15.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001061)  
or capital outlay,

**[01:37:17.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001062)  
at magkano ang

**[01:37:19.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001063)  
nakatali na sa government

**[01:37:21.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001064)  
operations, sweldo,

**[01:37:23.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001065)  
interest, amortization

**[01:37:25.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001066)  
at iba pang mandatory expenditures?

**[01:37:27.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001067)  
Hindi sapat na sabihing

**[01:37:29.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001068)  
inclusive at

**[01:37:31.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001069)  
development-oriented ang budget.

**[01:37:33.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001070)  
Kailangan po malaman natin

**[01:37:35.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001071)  
ang eksaktong halaga

**[01:37:37.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001072)  
at porsyento ng pondong

**[01:37:39.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001073)  
lilikha ng bagong trabaho,

**[01:37:41.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001074)  
[unclear], ospital,

**[01:37:43.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001075)  
irigasyon, pabahay at

**[01:37:45.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001076)  
transport infrastructure.

**[01:37:47.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001077)  
Tama po ba na

**[01:37:49.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001078)  
malaking bahagi ng budget

**[01:37:51.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001079)  
ang nakalaan sa government operations,

**[01:37:53.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001080)  
personal services, interest payments

**[01:37:55.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001081)  
at iba pang mandatory obligation?

**[01:38:01.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001082)  
Madam Speaker, I will answer

**[01:38:03.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001083)  
based on the different

**[01:38:05.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001084)  
categories as highlighted by

**[01:38:07.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001085)  
the Honorable Irise.

**[01:38:09.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001086)  
In terms of the breakdown

**[01:38:11.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001087)  
of the 7.2 trillion

**[01:38:13.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001088)  
pesos

**[01:38:15.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001089)  
by general expense class,

**[01:38:17.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001090)  
out of the 7.2 trillion,

**[01:38:19.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001091)  
1.98

**[01:38:21.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001092)  
trillion will go to

**[01:38:23.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001093)  
personal services,

**[01:38:25.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001094)  
2.944

**[01:38:27.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001095)  
trillion will go to

**[01:38:29.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001096)  
MOUE,

**[01:38:31.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001097)  
1.114 trillion

**[01:38:33.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001098)  
will go to financial

**[01:38:35.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001099)  
expenses, and

**[01:38:37.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001100)  
1.159 trillion

**[01:38:39.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001101)  
will go to capital outlays.

**[01:38:41.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001102)  
In terms of the

**[01:38:43.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001103)  
debt burden

**[01:38:45.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001104)  
and the interest expense payment,

**[01:38:47.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001105)  
that would be

**[01:38:49.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001106)  
1.8

**[01:38:51.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001107)  
trillion,

**[01:38:53.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001108)  
1.14 trillion pesos

**[01:38:55.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001109)  
out of the 7.2 trillion

**[01:38:57.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001110)  
pesos budget, Madam Speaker.

**[01:38:59.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001111)  
15.5 percent

**[01:39:01.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001112)  
for the debt payment.

**[01:39:03.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001113)  
That's correct, Madam Speaker.

**[01:39:05.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001114)  
And for the capital

**[01:39:07.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001115)  
and developmental projects,

**[01:39:09.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001116)  
it's only 16 percent.

**[01:39:11.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001117)  
That's correct, Madam Speaker.

**[01:39:13.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001118)  
And this is the lowest

**[01:39:15.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001119)  
fiscal space

**[01:39:17.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001120)  
in recent years.

**[01:39:19.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001121)  
Is that correct?

**[01:39:21.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001122)  
I remember that in

**[01:39:23.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001123)  
2024,

**[01:39:25.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001124)  
the fiscal space

**[01:39:27.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001125)  
was 20 percent higher.

**[01:39:29.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001126)  
Last year, it was 19 percent.

**[01:39:31.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001127)  
Now, it's 16 percent.

**[01:39:33.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001128)  
Is that correct?

**[01:39:51.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001129)  
That's correct.

**[01:39:55.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001130)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:39:57.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001131)  
kung ikukumpara po natin

**[01:39:59.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001132)  
sa fiscal year

**[01:40:01.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001133)  
2026 GAA,

**[01:40:03.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001134)  
last year po,

**[01:40:05.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001135)  
ang capital outlays po

**[01:40:07.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001136)  
ay nag-a-amount sa 15% po,

**[01:40:09.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001137)  
kumpara sa kasalukuyan po

**[01:40:11.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001138)  
sa 2027 NEP

**[01:40:13.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001139)  
na

**[01:40:15.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001140)  
16.1% po.

**[01:40:17.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001141)  
Actually po,

**[01:40:19.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001142)  
kung atin pong hihimayin

**[01:40:21.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001143)  
sa loob po ng MOOE,

**[01:40:23.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001144)  
meron din pong capital outlay component

**[01:40:25.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001145)  
doon sapagkat

**[01:40:27.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001146)  
yung national tax allotment po

**[01:40:29.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001147)  
ay nakapaloob sa MOOE.

**[01:40:31.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001148)  
So yung mga nangyayari pong

**[01:40:33.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001149)  
capital outlay ng iba't ibang LGUs

**[01:40:35.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001150)  
ay nandoon po sa MOOE.

**[01:40:37.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001151)  
Pero kung ikukumpara po natin,

**[01:40:39.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001152)  
15% po ang capital outlay

**[01:40:41.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001153)  
sa 2026 GAA,

**[01:40:43.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001154)  
at 16.1% po sa 2027.

**[01:40:45.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001155)  
Ang ibig ko pong sabihin ay

**[01:40:47.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001156)  
yung capital outlay

**[01:40:49.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001157)  
na pamumunuan ng national government

**[01:40:51.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001158)  
ay 16% lang po.

**[01:40:54.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001159)  
16.1% po

**[01:40:56.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001160)  
pag national government po.

**[01:40:59.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001161)  
Tama po yun.

**[01:41:00.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001162)  
At kasama na roon,

**[01:41:02.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001163)  
16% yung

**[01:41:04.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001164)  
sa mga local government.

**[01:41:06.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001165)  
May NTA

**[01:41:08.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001166)  
on top pa po yun,

**[01:41:09.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001167)  
kasi po yung

**[01:41:10.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001168)  
capital component outlay

**[01:41:13.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001169)  
ng mga LGUs po

**[01:41:15.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001170)  
ay nakapaloob sa national tax allotment

**[01:41:17.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001171)  
at yun po ay nakapailalim sa MOOE.

**[01:41:20.500] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001172)  
Sa akin pong datos,

**[01:41:22.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001173)  
nung nakaraang taon,

**[01:41:23.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001174)  
19% ang [unclear].

**[01:41:24.500] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001175)  
Mali po ba yun?

**[01:41:27.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001176)  
Posible po sigurong

**[01:41:29.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001177)  
19% kung isasama po natin

**[01:41:31.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001178)  
yung sa local government unit

**[01:41:33.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001179)  
sa loob ng NTA.

**[01:41:35.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001180)  
Pero kung pagbabasihan lang po natin

**[01:41:37.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001181)  
ay yung sa national government,

**[01:41:39.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001182)  
15% lamang po

**[01:41:41.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001183)  
noong 2026.

**[01:41:43.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001184)  
What is the exact

**[01:41:45.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001185)  
definition of DBM,

**[01:41:47.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001186)  
or capital outlay?

**[01:41:49.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001187)  
Are these just capital outlays

**[01:41:51.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001188)  
or are the subsidies included?

**[01:41:53.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001189)  
Transfers,

**[01:41:55.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001190)  
ayuda, financial assistance,

**[01:41:57.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001191)  
and discretionary funds?

**[01:42:07.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001192)  
Madam Speaker,

**[01:42:09.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001193)  
sa definition po natin ng

**[01:42:11.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001194)  
capital outlays,

**[01:42:13.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001195)  
Ang nakapaloob po dito ay

**[01:42:15.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001196)  
yung mga

**[01:42:17.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001197)  
um,

**[01:42:19.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001198)  
actually wala

**[01:42:21.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001199)  
[unclear]

**[01:42:31.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001204)  
ongoing banner

**[01:42:33.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001205)  
infrastructure projects sa ilalim

**[01:42:35.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001206)  
po ng Build Better More

**[01:42:37.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001207)  
program.

**[01:42:39.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001208)  
Nasama po ba dito

**[01:42:41.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001209)  
yung pondo

**[01:42:43.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001210)  
na inilalaan para sa LGSF o Local Government Support Fund?

**[01:42:49.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001211)  
Madam Speaker, hindi po sapagkat ang LGSF po ay nakapaloob sa MOOE.

**[01:42:56.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001212)  
Wala po siya sa capital outlay.

**[01:43:02.860] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001213)  
Ito po ba ay regular na government operations?

**[01:43:06.220] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001214)  
Local Government Support Fund po ba ay regular government operations at nakalagay sa MOOE?

**[01:43:17.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001215)  
Sapagkat po nakapaloob siya doon sa kategorya ng fund transfer.

**[01:43:21.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001216)  
Kasi po yung tag po doon is financial talgo, financial assistance to local government units.

**[01:43:28.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001217)  
Kaya po kahit po posible na i-disperse po iyon ng mga local government units

**[01:43:34.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001218)  
as infrastructure projects dahil po doon sa technicality na yung accounting treatment po ng fund transfers

**[01:43:43.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001219)  
na lalagay po siya sa ilalim ng MOOE.

**[01:43:45.700] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001220)  
Maari po ba magbigay ang DBM ng COPIA kung anong mga bagong capital projects,

**[01:43:53.460] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001221)  
ongoing capital projects at malahat ng mga programa nakapaloob doon sa capital outlay na 16%.

**[01:44:00.620] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001222)  
Can you readily do that?

**[01:44:04.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001223)  
Siguro naman may data kayo nga.

**[01:44:11.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001224)  
Yes, Madam Speaker. Ibibigay po ng DBM across all agencies po kasi yun.

**[01:44:16.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001225)  
Pero pwede po sila magbigay ng consolidated.

**[01:44:19.340] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001226)  
Yes. Opo. Para pag tatanong ko mamaya sa DBM eh, pwede kong maging basapatayan.

**[01:44:23.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001227)  
Apo.

**[01:44:25.980] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001228)  
Pagdating po sa LGSF.

**[01:44:30.280] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001229)  
Yung 2026 po, 57 billion.

**[01:44:34.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001230)  
2027 po ay 58 billion.

**[01:44:41.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001231)  
Ito po ay sole discretionary fund ng presidente.

**[01:44:50.540] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001232)  
Wala pong makakapag-disperse nito o makakapag-decision dito kundi ang ating pangulo.

**[01:44:56.600] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001233)  
Ito ba'y isang presidential pork barrel?

**[01:45:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001234)  
Madam Speaker, ang paggagawad po ng LGSF ay nakabase po doon sa pag-request ng mga local government units

**[01:45:11.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001235)  
at yung binabantayan po na kriteriya sa pagdesisyon kung sino po yung gagawalan

**[01:45:18.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001236)  
ay nakabase po doon sa special provision patungkol sa LGSF

**[01:45:22.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001237)  
na nandun din po, nakapaloob din po sa General Appropriations Bill.

**[01:45:26.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001238)  
Madam Chair, andito po sa akin ngayon yung mga parameters sa pagbibigay.

**[01:45:32.460] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001239)  
Halos lahat pwede. Halos lahat pwede.

**[01:45:36.320] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001240)  
Basta disisyonan ng Presidente, bibigay ko yan sa Naga, 500 million.

**[01:45:41.040] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001241)  
Okay yan. Wala ng parameter.

**[01:45:45.500] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001242)  
Kung kailan, kung saan, kung paano, kung sino, discretion ng Presidente. Tama ba?

**[01:45:56.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001243)  
Okay.

**[01:46:26.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001244)  
Madam Speaker, yung determination po ng evaluation ng mga request ng mga local government units

**[01:46:35.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001245)  
sits solely with the DBM po.

**[01:46:38.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001246)  
Hindi na po kailangan magsabi po o umabot po sa Presidente upang magdesisyon po kung sino po yung gagawaran.

**[01:46:46.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001247)  
Nakabase po doon sa parameters sa special provision. May menu po kasi doon.

**[01:46:50.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001248)  
Pero ang sinasabi po sa atin ng DBM, up to the discretion of Congress po,

**[01:46:56.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001249)  
kung ano po yung gusto natin ipaloob doon po sa special provision,

**[01:47:00.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001250)  
kung meron po tayong mga karagdagang parameters o karagdagang menu na nais pong ilagay doon po sa special provision sa LGSF.

**[01:47:08.500] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001251)  
Ibig pong sabihin, may legislative power na ngayon ang DBM.

**[01:47:12.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001252)  
Dahil sila na magdedetermine. Sila na magbibigay ng parameters.

**[01:47:17.760] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001253)  
Sila na magdedetermine kung magkano ibibigay, kung kanino ibibigay.

**[01:47:22.160] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001254)  
Kahit na, halimbawa, bibigyan ko ng, tatanungin ko po ang DBM ngayon.

**[01:47:25.740] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001255)  
Nandito na sila.

**[01:47:27.100] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001256)  
Bakit nagbigay ng 500 million sa Naga?

**[01:47:29.660] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001257)  
Second to the richest city ang Naga sa Bicol.

**[01:47:36.320] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001258)  
Yung city ni Congresswoman Representative Criselle Lagman, mas mahirap.

**[01:47:42.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001259)  
Yung pong Masbate sa Bicol, napaka mahirap.

**[01:47:45.500] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001260)  
Yung pong Iriga City, napaka hirap.

**[01:47:48.060] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001261)  
Ano kung naging batayan, bakit magbibigay ng basketball court?

**[01:47:53.220] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001262)  
Hindi po pala. Stayed yung sa Naga.

**[01:47:55.740] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001263)  
Ano pong parameters?

**[01:47:57.040] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001264)  
Yung ba ang priority para o yung mga mahihirap ng mga local government?

**[01:48:01.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001265)  
O pinupulitika lang ito ni Presidente dahil gusto niyang maging kakampi si Mayor Lenny Robredo?

**[01:48:09.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001266)  
Ito po ba batayan ng pagbabadget?

**[01:48:11.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001267)  
Madam Speaker, most definitely po wala pong legislative power na ine-exercise ang DBM.

**[01:48:25.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001268)  
Batay lang po yung kanilang kriteriya doon po sa special provision na nakapaloob sa ating General Appropriations Act na ino-authorize po ng Kongreso.

**[01:48:35.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001269)  
Nandito po, ibinigay po, nandito po sa atin yung menu ng LGSF at meron din po kami kinukuha lang po na yun po yung memorandum circular para po doon sa kriteriya na kanilang sinusunod.

**[01:48:50.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001270)  
Pero definitely po within the parameters set forth by Congress.

**[01:48:54.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001271)  
Yung kanilang pamantayan para po sa pag-disperse, pag-evaluate ng LGSF projects.

**[01:49:01.820] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001272)  
Ito po ang mga components.

**[01:49:05.380] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001273)  
Financial assistance to LGUs for agriculture related programs, agri-support, farm produce.

**[01:49:12.420] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001274)  
Hindi po ba ito trabaho ng Department of Agriculture?

**[01:49:17.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001275)  
Hindi po ba magiging fragmented ang implementation ng agricultural program?

**[01:49:24.140] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001276)  
Kung ibibigay na lang ito ng kung kanin-kaninong LGUs without coordination with the corresponding departments that is really in charge of agriculture?

**[01:49:41.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001277)  
Madam Speaker, sa kasalukoyin po kasi kaya po nagkakaroon ng ganyan na disbursement sa loob po ng LGSF ay dahil po pumayag po yung Kongreso na isama po yung LGSF.

**[01:49:54.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001278)  
Ito ang mga programa na ito sa menu na nakapaloob po doon po sa General Appropriations Act.

**[01:50:00.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001279)  
Kaya po nagkakaroon ng duplication po.

**[01:50:03.120] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001280)  
Hindi ba ito pagsusuko ng ating legislative powers?

**[01:50:09.220] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001281)  
That can be questioned before the courts?

**[01:50:13.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001282)  
The decision as to which items would be included in the menu solely rests with Congress.

**[01:50:22.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001283)  
So we are not giving up legislative powers po.

**[01:50:26.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001284)  
Natatandaan ko, Madam Speaker, Madam Chair,

**[01:50:32.860] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001285)  
noong panahon ni Pangulong Aquino, meron pong bottoms-up budgeting.

**[01:50:38.980] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001286)  
Yan po yung suporta ng national government sa mga local government.

**[01:50:43.580] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001287)  
Pero bawat line item inaaprobahan ng Kongreso.

**[01:50:48.620] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001288)  
Kung merong bibigay sa naga,

**[01:50:51.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001289)  
aprobado,

**[01:50:52.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001290)  
may bibigay sa Sulu,

**[01:50:54.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001291)  
may bibigay sa iba't ibang probinsya,

**[01:50:56.500] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001292)  
aprobado ng Kongreso.

**[01:50:58.240] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001293)  
Ngayon lang,

**[01:50:59.680] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001294)  
ngayon lang na ito ay sole discretionary.

**[01:51:04.360] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001295)  
At hindi nyo pa sinasabing Pangulo,

**[01:51:06.960] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001296)  
kundi BBM lang may discretion.

**[01:51:38.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001298)  
...

**[01:51:40.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001299)  
Madam Speaker, meron pong kasintalawang magkaibang component.

**[01:51:44.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001300)  
Yun pong LGSF na pwede po natin gabitin

**[01:51:47.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001301)  
bilang halimbawa.

**[01:51:49.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001302)  
Yung Falgo po,

**[01:51:51.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001303)  
yung financial assistance

**[01:51:53.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001304)  
to LGUs. Yun po kasi

**[01:51:55.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001305)  
hindi po naka

**[01:51:56.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001306)  
per line item yung breakdown sa GAA.

**[01:52:00.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001307)  
However, the other

**[01:52:01.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001308)  
type po, which is for example

**[01:52:03.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001309)  
NTF-LCAC, kung makikita nyo po

**[01:52:05.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001310)  
sa NEP

**[01:52:07.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001311)  
pa lamang, meron ng listahan

**[01:52:09.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001312)  
ng mga iba't-ibang mga beneficiary

**[01:52:11.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001313)  
barangays na pwede pong bigyan

**[01:52:13.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001314)  
sa ilalim na NTF-LCAC. So within

**[01:52:15.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001315)  
LGSF itself,

**[01:52:17.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001316)  
meron po ang dalawang variants. Yung

**[01:52:19.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001317)  
Falgo na hindi po naka line

**[01:52:21.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001318)  
item. Tapos po yung NTF-LCAC

**[01:52:23.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001319)  
na naka line item po. So

**[01:52:25.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001320)  
ina-approbahan po natin per line item.

**[01:52:27.300] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001321)  
37 billion po yung

**[01:52:28.980] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001322)  
Falgo dito ba?

**[01:52:31.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001323)  
May line item po ba yun?

**[01:52:34.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001324)  
Tama po.

**[01:52:35.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001325)  
37.45

**[01:52:37.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001326)  
billion pesos po ang Falgo.

**[01:52:39.660] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001327)  
May line item po yan?

**[01:52:45.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001328)  
Wala pong line item yung sa

**[01:52:47.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001329)  
Falgo, but it is governed

**[01:52:49.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001330)  
by the menu as

**[01:52:51.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001331)  
indicated in the special provision

**[01:52:53.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001332)  
approved by Congress.

**[01:52:54.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001333)  
Kung ating aprobahan yan, hindi po ba tayo

**[01:52:56.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001334)  
we will be subjected to a violation

**[01:52:59.020] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001335)  
of the constitutional provision

**[01:53:00.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001336)  
of an undue delegation of

**[01:53:02.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001337)  
legislative power under Article

**[01:53:04.820] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001338)  
6, Section 1 of the

**[01:53:06.960] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001339)  
Constitution?

**[01:53:19.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001340)  
Madam Speaker, meron na pong

**[01:53:22.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001341)  
previous Supreme Court ruling

**[01:53:24.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001342)  
citing that the LGSF

**[01:53:26.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001343)  
is a valid expenditure.

**[01:53:29.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001344)  
The Supreme Court in the case of

**[01:53:30.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001345)  
Belgica v. Secretary of Budget

**[01:53:33.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001346)  
and Management et al. ruled that

**[01:53:35.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001347)  
the LGSF complies with the

**[01:53:36.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001348)  
rule on singular correspondence

**[01:53:38.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001349)  
because it has the discernible singular

**[01:53:41.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001350)  
appropriation purpose of

**[01:53:43.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001351)  
providing funds for the support to local

**[01:53:45.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001352)  
government units. Moreover,

**[01:53:47.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001353)  
LGSF satisfies

**[01:53:48.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001354)  
both the completeness and sufficient

**[01:53:50.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001355)  
standard test since, one,

**[01:53:52.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001356)  
it specifies the standards by

**[01:53:54.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001357)  
which set the limits

**[01:53:57.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001358)  
of the executive's authority to

**[01:53:58.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001359)  
disperse the LGSF, and number

**[01:54:00.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001360)  
two, it determines the legislative

**[01:54:02.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001361)  
policy behind the fund, and finally,

**[01:54:04.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001362)  
number three, it identifies the condition

**[01:54:07.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001363)  
under which the fund may be utilized.

**[01:54:09.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001364)  
So meron na pong previous jurisprudence

**[01:54:11.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001365)  
dito.

**[01:54:14.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001366)  
Yung

**[01:54:14.680] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001367)  
implementation of programs, project

**[01:54:16.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001368)  
activities, promotion of cultural,

**[01:54:18.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001369)  
heritage, rehabilitation, repair,

**[01:54:20.700] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001370)  
improvement of national heritage

**[01:54:22.580] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001371)  
structures.

**[01:54:25.340] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001372)  
Hindi po ba ito

**[01:54:26.320] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001373)  
ano po ang very

**[01:54:30.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001374)  
special dito para

**[01:54:31.900] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001375)  
ipadaan sa

**[01:54:34.240] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001376)  
mga

**[01:54:34.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001377)  
local government, samantarang meron na pong

**[01:54:38.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001378)  
mga ahensya na mas

**[01:54:40.540] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001379)  
meron pong

**[01:54:41.440] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001380)  
pakayahan, capability

**[01:54:44.540] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001381)  
to implement these projects.

**[01:54:47.980] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001382)  
National

**[01:54:48.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001383)  
Heritage, meron po tayong

**[01:54:50.200] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001384)  
ahensya para dyan.

**[01:55:42.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001390)  
Madam Speaker, meron po kasing

**[01:55:44.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001391)  
mga local

**[01:55:46.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001392)  
government sites, ay mga local

**[01:55:48.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001393)  
sites,

**[01:55:48.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001394)  
na actually po hindi po nakapaloob doon po sa pinanghahawakan ng NHCP.

**[01:55:56.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001395)  
So in cases like that po, may mga pagkakataon po na nag-request po yung mga LGUs.

**[01:56:02.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001396)  
For example po, Madam Speaker, ano po ba yung mga hindi nasasakop ng cultural heritage, rehabilitation and repair ng ahensya para sa National Heritage Commission?

**[01:56:32.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001397)  
Isa pong halimbawa na binigay po ng DBM ay yung Old City Hall ng Cotabato.

**[01:56:40.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001398)  
Ito po kasi ay kinonvert na po sa isang museum.

**[01:56:44.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001399)  
So isa po ito sa mga halimbawa na inirequest po sa kanila ng Cotabato City Government na mapondohan po sa ilalim po ng menu item B po.

**[01:56:56.040] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001400)  
Ito po ba ay nadeklara ng heritage site?

**[01:57:02.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001401)  
Opo, nadeklara na po.

**[01:57:04.440] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001402)  
Bakit hindi po po pwedeng pondohan ang National Heritage Commission?

**[01:57:09.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001403)  
Kasi po ito po ay isang, bagamat ito po ay nadeklara na bilang isang heritage site, nanatili po ito bilang isang LGU property.

**[01:57:19.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001404)  
Kaya po ang nag-maintain pa rin po ay yung local government unit.

**[01:57:25.380] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001405)  
Sa pagkakaalam ko, may parameters sa pagkukumpuni, pagre-rehab.

**[01:57:32.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001406)  
At ang mga heritage site at ang tanging authority dyan ay ang national heritage.

**[01:57:42.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001407)  
Madam Speaker, may mga pagkakataon po kasi na hindi naman po ganun kalakihan yung budget ng NHCP.

**[01:57:48.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001408)  
So hindi din po nila na-accommodate lahat po ng mga nadeklara bilang heritage site.

**[01:57:54.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001409)  
So may mga pagkakataon po na mismo yung mga local government units na po yung nag-initiate ng request sa ilalim po ng LGU.

**[01:58:01.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001410)  
Para po mapondohan yung ganitong mga maintenance po or restoration ng mga heritage sites.

**[01:58:07.820] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001411)  
So ibig pong sabihin, lahat na nakapaloob dito sa mga parameters neto, pwede nang hindi humingi sa mga departamento at mga ahensya ng national government at pwede nang dumiretsyo sa office of the president.

**[01:58:18.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001412)  
Tama po ba?

**[01:58:22.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001413)  
Opo, mayroon po itong mga complement sa iba't ibang mga programa ng mga ahensya ng gobyerno.

**[01:58:31.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001414)  
However, Pai, you just said it.

**[01:58:31.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001415)  
I just want to clarify po, the request is not directed to the president but rather it's directed to DBM through a portal.

**[01:58:39.620] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001416)  
DBM is the alter ego of the president.

**[01:58:42.900] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001417)  
Pag pinadaan sa DBM, ang request po kay presidente, hindi sa DBM.

**[01:58:48.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001418)  
The approval po, the evaluation and the approval stops at the level of DBM.

**[01:58:55.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001419)  
Hindi na po ito kailangang iakyat po sa office of the president.

**[01:59:00.200] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001420)  
Construction, concreting, rehab.

**[01:59:01.980] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001421)  
Repair of local roads, bridges, public markets, multi-purpose buildings, multi-purpose halls.

**[01:59:09.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001422)  
Hindi po ba trabaho ito ng Department of Public Works and Highways?

**[01:59:15.180] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001423)  
Di ba po ito, yan yung pinag-aawayan dito sa Kongreso kung saan may mga allocables ang mga kinatawan?

**[01:59:22.980] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001424)  
Ngayon po, inililipat na lang sa mga local governments?

**[01:59:26.040] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001425)  
Yes.

**[01:59:28.740] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001426)  
Paano natin masisiguro na equitable ang distribution?

**[01:59:31.980] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001427)  
Ang mga pondong ito?

**[02:00:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001428)  
Madam Speaker, I agree with the Honorable Erice.

**[02:00:06.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001429)  
Actually, opo, tama po yun. Meron din pong component yung DPWH na Basic Infrastructure Program or SIPAG

**[02:00:14.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001430)  
kung saan pwede pong mapondohan ng DPWH yun po mga local roads, yung mga multipurpose buildings sa iba't ibang mga lugar po.

**[02:00:23.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001431)  
Pero binibigyan pa rin po ito dahil po kasama siya doon sa menu na na-aprobahan ng Kongreso.

**[02:00:32.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001432)  
Pwede po itong i-request sa ilalim po ng LGSF.

**[02:00:35.480] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001433)  
Okay po. Para pa ang patunayan natin, Madam Speaker, Madam Chair, kung equitable yung distribution nitong LGSF.

**[02:00:45.020] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001434)  
Nakapag-release na po ba sila o sa mga local governments ng 2025, 37 billion po ang LGSF.

**[02:00:53.860] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001435)  
May mga na-release na po ba dyan? O naubos na yan?

**[02:01:04.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001436)  
Madam Speaker, opo, meron na pong ganong listahan.

**[02:01:08.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001437)  
Ayon po sa DBM, maaari po itong makita doon sa Compass na portal sa DBM website.

**[02:01:16.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001438)  
Nandun na po yung listahan ng mga releases sa ilalim po ng LGSF so far for 2025.

**[02:01:23.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001439)  
Fiscal year 2026 po.

**[02:01:27.680] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001440)  
How about 2025?

**[02:01:29.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001441)  
Mula po 2022 hanggang so far po, half or until August of 2026.

**[02:01:37.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001442)  
Ano po ang utilization rate ng LGSF 2025 and 2026?

**[02:02:16.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001443)  
Sa taong 2025 po,

**[02:02:21.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001444)  
ang LGSF,

**[02:02:23.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001445)  
Ang released ay 59.74%, ang obligated po ay 13.01%, at ang disbursed po ay 4.15%.

**[02:02:34.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001446)  
Sa 2026 po, as of July 22, ang released po ay 82.73%, obligated ay 20.2%, at yung disbursement po ay 43.1%.

**[02:02:48.120] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001447)  
Ano po ang ano? 2026, ano po ang utilization rate?

**[02:02:50.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001448)  
May...

**[02:02:51.760] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001449)  
Anong gamitin natin?

**[02:02:53.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001450)  
Ang basehan na lang po natin, Madam Speaker, yung released amount.

**[02:03:03.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001451)  
So sa 2025 po, 59.74% out of the 18.95 billion pesos na allocation.

**[02:03:13.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001452)  
At sa 2026 po, 82.73% out of the 37.49 billion allocation.

**[02:03:20.060] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001453)  
Ibig pong sabihin yung utilization ng 2026.

**[02:03:23.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001454)  
Ibig pong sabihin yung utilization ng 2026 ay mas mataas kaysa sa 2025.

**[02:03:27.380] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001455)  
Tama po ba yan?

**[02:03:28.300] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001456)  
82% ang utilization.

**[02:03:52.150] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001457)  
Tama po yan.

**[02:03:53.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001460)  
Ang base po sa datos ng DBM, mas mataas po yung utilization rate ng 2026 ng LGSF

**[02:03:59.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001461)  
kumpara po sa 2025 ng LGSF.

**[02:04:01.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001462)  
Ang kadahilanan po ay yung LGSF price.

**[02:04:05.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001463)  
Yun po yung mataas yung utilization rate.

**[02:04:07.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001464)  
Meron po siya sa 2026, pero wala po siya sa 2025.

**[02:04:13.120] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001465)  
Ibig pong sabihin, mas madaling na nagamit yung pondo ng 2026.

**[02:04:20.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001466)  
Bakit po kaya madaling na gamit yung price?

**[02:04:22.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001467)  
Bakit po kaya madaling na gamit yung price?

**[02:04:23.160] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001468)  
Binamigay na lang lahat sa lahat yung rice.

**[02:04:27.220] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001469)  
Ano po ang development economic impact nung pagbibigay ng bigas ng kanyang kalalaki?

**[02:04:44.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001470)  
Mabilis po kasi yung distribution ng rice kasi po lahat po ng mga LGUs sa buong bansa nabigyan po.

**[02:04:50.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001471)  
So mas mabilis po siya kumpara sa halimbawa.

**[02:04:53.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001472)  
Halimbawa yung individual projects na rinirequest po ng LGU doon sa portal.

**[02:04:58.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001473)  
Yung dahilan po kung bakit ipinamigay po yung bigas ay bilang pagresponde po doon sa iba't ibang mga krisis.

**[02:05:08.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001474)  
Halimbawa po yung pagtaas po ng presyo ng crudo, ng koryente, at yung mga nawalan din po ng trabaho.

**[02:05:17.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001475)  
Kaya kailangan po matugunan din po kagad.

**[02:05:18.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001476)  
Talagang ayuda rin po ito.

**[02:05:22.040] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001477)  
Ayuda to, di ba?

**[02:05:24.020] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001478)  
Walang economic impact to eh.

**[02:05:25.480] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001479)  
Kundi pagbibigay ng bigas, limang kilo, sampung kilo.

**[02:05:30.960] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001480)  
Hindi ba ito patronage politics?

**[02:05:36.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001481)  
There is an economic factor din po which is where we are endeavoring po na hindi po bumagsak sa below poverty line.

**[02:05:46.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001482)  
Yung mga pamilya na pinaka-vulnerable po dito po sa mga ganitong external shock.

**[02:05:53.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001483)  
So there's also a multiplier effect in the sense that yung mga bigas po ay kinukuha sa mga local farmers.

**[02:06:03.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001484)  
So meron po din guaranteed na bumibili noong bigas, yung mga palay, yung mga produkto na ating mga magsasaka.

**[02:06:10.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001485)  
So meron din po siyang economic, may economic ecosystem din po.

**[02:06:17.240] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001486)  
Namomonitor po ba ng PBM yung pagbibigay ng bigas?

**[02:06:23.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001487)  
Ang DILG po, ang nag-incharge po ng monitoring ng distribution ng LGS price.

**[02:06:31.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001488)  
Bibigyan ko po kayo ng isang example sa Kaloocan.

**[02:06:35.260] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001489)  
Yung isang banko, Philippine Business Bank.

**[02:06:37.660] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001490)  
Lahat na empleyado, from manager to ordinary employee, tigko 40 kilos na bigas.

**[02:06:46.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001491)  
40 kilos.

**[02:06:48.460] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001492)  
So exclusively at the discretion.

**[02:06:53.160] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001493)  
Paano nakakatulong ito sa mga mahirap kung ang binibigyan mo ang mga executive ng banko?

**[02:07:04.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001494)  
Madam Speaker, given that the DILG is in charge of the monitoring, yun po dapat yung mga bagay na huhuli ng DILG.

**[02:07:15.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001495)  
So kung may mga ganito pong pagkakataon, dapat po ma-report po sa DILG para po matugunan nila.

**[02:07:22.400] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001496)  
So meron po ba?

**[02:07:23.160] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001497)  
Ito ang assessment na nagawa ang PBM sa utilization ng 2025 at least.

**[02:07:30.060] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001498)  
2025 LGSF.

**[02:07:32.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001499)  
And can you furnish us a copy?

**[02:07:34.460] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001500)  
Thank you.

**[02:07:53.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001501)  
Madam Speaker, may I ask po our distinguished colleague, what sort of report po would you like for the 2025 utilization?

**[02:08:11.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001502)  
How it was distributed?

**[02:08:12.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001503)  
How it was distributed?

**[02:08:13.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001504)  
In terms of which LGUs po?

**[02:08:17.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001506)  
Are the recipients the types of projects?

**[02:08:19.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001507)  
Yes.

**[02:08:20.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001508)  
Apo.

**[02:08:20.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001509)  
Sa kasalukuyan po, yung...

**[02:08:23.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001510)  
So far po, yung roughly 52% na na-dispersed po for 2025, lahat po ng datos doon po sa releases, nandun na rin po, naka-upload na po sa Compass portal ng DBM.

**[02:08:35.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001511)  
Pero magbibigay din po.

**[02:08:36.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001512)  
Ang nakalagay po doon yung amount of releases o yung goods that were given?

**[02:08:45.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001513)  
Nandito po sa Compass, actually po, nakita ko po ngayon ang ganda po ng dashboard nila.

**[02:08:51.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001514)  
And nandun po yung...

**[02:08:53.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001515)  
Bawat proyekto at bawat LGU at magkano at kung anong klaseng proyekto po.

**[02:09:00.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001516)  
Halimbawa po, NCR, Metro Manila, Manila, Multipurpose Building, Construction of Pamantasan ng Lungsod na Maynila, College of Allied Health Sciences, 500 million, year 2025 po.

**[02:09:15.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001517)  
So pwede nating ma-filter po yun doon po sa Compass website.

**[02:09:18.180] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001518)  
Sa apalagay niyo po, Madam Chair, equitable po ang distribution nito?

**[02:09:23.160] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001519)  
Equitable.

**[02:09:36.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001520)  
For 2026 po, Madam Speaker, equitable po dahil po lahat binigyan.

**[02:09:44.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001521)  
Yung 2025 po, nakabatay po kasi sa kung sino yung nag-request.

**[02:09:48.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001522)  
So posible po na may ibang mga LGU, may ibang mga probinsya.

**[02:09:53.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001523)  
Na hindi po nag-request. So wala po silang natanggap.

**[02:09:56.880] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001524)  
So sa 2027 po, paano po i-dedistribute ito?

**[02:10:16.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001525)  
Para po sa taong 2027, dahil po yung panukalang amount po ng LGU,

**[02:10:23.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001526)  
GSF ay parehas doon sa 2026 ga.

**[02:10:27.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001527)  
Ang intensyon po ayon sa DBM ay pareho pa rin po yung distribution.

**[02:10:32.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001528)  
So with regard to rice, lahat pa rin po na local government units mabibigyan.

**[02:10:37.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001529)  
And with regard to infrastructure po, it would still depend on whether there's an LGU that requested from a particular area.

**[02:10:46.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001530)  
And it would still be consistent po with the same menu and criteria that we approve.

**[02:10:52.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001531)  
So in the 2027 ga, under the special provision for LGSF.

**[02:10:57.060] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001532)  
With the indulgence of our good mentor.

**[02:10:59.480] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001533)  
Last question, ma'am. Thank you.

**[02:11:04.200] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001534)  
Kaya po ako nagtatanong, sapagkat napakamahalaga po na masinop yung paggamit natin ng 7.2 trillion.

**[02:11:13.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001535)  
Sapagkat sa 17.2 trillion, ang projected government revenue ay 5.2 trillion lamang. Tama po?

**[02:11:22.220] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001536)  
At yun ay projected pa lang.

**[02:11:26.420] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001537)  
Sa bagsak nating GDP, baka hindi pa ma-realize.

**[02:11:31.060] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001538)  
Pagkatapos po, ang uutangin natin para ponduhan nito ay 1.69 trillion.

**[02:11:38.620] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001539)  
Sa 1.69 trillion po, for development projects, kasama na yung mga ayuda, 1.1 trillion.

**[02:11:46.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001540)  
Ibig sabihin, yung napuponduhan ng pagutang natin, pati yung personal services,

**[02:11:52.220] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001541)  
pati yung MOOE. Kaya po mahalaga.

**[02:11:56.280] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001542)  
At pagkatapos po, kailangan pa nating mangutang muli ng 3.3 trillion para bayaran yung mga nag-mature na utang natin.

**[02:12:07.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001543)  
Tama po ba yan?

**[02:12:10.420] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001544)  
Aside from the 1.69 trillion na uutangin para ponduhan ng 2027 national budget,

**[02:12:18.780] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001545)  
mangungutang na naman tayo ng 3.3.

**[02:12:22.220] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001546)  
3.3 trillion para bayaran yung mga maturing na utang.

**[02:12:28.040] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001547)  
Tama po ba yan?

**[02:12:34.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001548)  
Madam Speaker, if we may clarify po, the 3.3 trillion peso borrowing already includes the deficit of 1.69.

**[02:12:44.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001549)  
So, kabuuan na po na borrowing po natin yung 3.3 trillion.

**[02:12:50.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001550)  
Kasama na po yung deficit.

**[02:12:51.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001551)  
Tapos on top po yung iba pa.

**[02:12:55.280] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001552)  
So, ibig sabihin po, ang 1.69 trillion yung utangin for the 2027 national budget. Tama po?

**[02:13:14.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001553)  
Opo, tama po yan.

**[02:13:15.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001554)  
1.694 trillion para po doon sa 2027 budget.

**[02:13:21.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001555)  
Para po mapondohan.

**[02:13:22.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001556)  
At yung remainder po ay...

**[02:13:25.020] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001557)  
Ang 1.6 trillion ay yun naman yung pangbayad po.

**[02:13:29.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001558)  
Pangbayad po is doon sa mga nag-mature na natin na mga utang.

**[02:13:36.280] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001559)  
So, payment of maturities.

**[02:13:38.180] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001560)  
So, utangin natin ulit yun.

**[02:13:39.460] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001561)  
So, ibig pong sabihin, next year, after 2027, lalaki na naman.

**[02:13:44.180] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001562)  
Mas langong lalaki yung ating interest payment.

**[02:13:47.160] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001563)  
Tama po ba yan?

**[02:13:47.760] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001564)  
Tama po ba yan?

**[02:14:11.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001565)  
Tama po, madam speaker. Last year po kasi, 0.996 trillion po yun po interest payments.

**[02:14:16.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001566)  
Sa 2027 po, 1.114.

**[02:14:20.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001567)  
At sa 2027, 1.114.

**[02:14:22.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001569)  
At sa 2028, ang forecast po, although very preliminary, tataas din po kumpada sa 2027.

**[02:14:28.380] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001570)  
Ang ibig sabihin po ba dito ay lilit muli ang fiscal space for 2028?

**[02:14:42.300] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001571)  
With the indulgence of our good colleague.

**[02:14:45.500] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001572)  
Last question.

**[02:14:46.100] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001573)  
You have an...

**[02:14:50.340] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001574)  
You're...

**[02:14:51.220] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001575)  
You have exceeded the 30-minute rule.

**[02:14:56.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001576)  
Madam speaker, if I may respond po.

**[02:14:59.140] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001577)  
Very quickly, please.

**[02:15:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001578)  
The last question. Sa kasalukuyan po, publicly available na rin po ang initial po na inaprobahan ng DBCC para po sa 2028 budget ay 7.2 trillion pesos pa rin po.

**[02:15:15.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001579)  
So, preliminarily po, preliminarily, yun po yung naaprobahan ng DBCC. So, tama po na dahil tataas yung interest payment sa 2028 pero po mananatiling 7.2 trillion pesos yung kabuuan ng budget.

**[02:15:32.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001580)  
In essence po, kinakain niya po yung ating fiscal space. So, ninipis po na konti yung fiscal space.

**[02:15:38.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-001581)  
Maraming salamat po.

**[02:15:40.220] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001582)  
Thank you very much, Congressman Erice. Majority Leader?

**[02:15:43.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001583)  
Thank you very much po, Madam Speaker.

**[02:15:45.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001584)  
Thank you very much po to the Honorable Ege Erice.

**[02:15:48.640] Rep. Ryan S. Recto** (asr-001585)  
Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable Robert Nazal of the BH Party List Interpolation.

**[02:15:54.440] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001586)  
The Honorable Nazal is recognized for his interpolation.

**[02:16:03.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001587)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[02:16:12.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001588)  
Madam Chair, through you, to the DBM.

**[02:16:15.320] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001589)  
Your own 2026 NEP still contained the long-standing prohibition against impoundment of appropriations.

**[02:16:26.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001590)  
But in the enacted 2026 GAA, this was replaced by Section 78, suspension of expenditure, which allows the President to stop expenditure when public interest so requires.

**[02:16:42.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001591)  
The same provision is again proposed.

**[02:16:45.320] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001592)  
So, my question, Madam Chair, is Section 38 of the Administrative Code already gave the President authority to suspend expenditure when public interest so requires.

**[02:17:02.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001593)  
If that authority already exists, why was it necessary to remove the long-standing prohibition against impoundment provision and replace it with this provision?

**[02:17:21.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001596)  
Thank you very much po, Madam Chair.

**[02:17:22.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001597)  
Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, it is simply a reiteration of what is indicated in Section 38 of EO 292.

**[02:17:30.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001598)  
And actually po ginagawa rin naman po natin yun, hindi lang sa provision na to.

**[02:17:34.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001599)  
May iba din po mga special provisions and general provisions na simple reiteration ng po sila noong pong substantive law.

**[02:17:43.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001609)  
Pero originally po

**[02:17:45.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001611)  
for the last 20 years

**[02:17:46.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001612)  
binabawal natin yung impounding

**[02:17:49.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001613)  
that's why

**[02:17:50.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001614)  
for the last 20 years since 2007

**[02:17:53.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001615)  
very specific

**[02:17:54.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001616)  
ang nilalagay po natin

**[02:17:57.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001617)  
up to the 2026

**[02:17:59.520] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001618)  
NEP

**[02:18:00.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001619)  
prohibition section 74

**[02:18:05.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001620)  
up to the 2026 NEP

**[02:18:07.440] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001621)  
prohibition against impoundment

**[02:18:09.520] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001622)  
of appropriations

**[02:18:10.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001623)  
ngayon bigla na lang natin binago

**[02:18:13.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001624)  
nung

**[02:18:14.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001625)  
ga-a ng 2026

**[02:18:17.340] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001626)  
so may I ask

**[02:18:24.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001627)  
what additional authority ba

**[02:18:26.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001628)  
if any was intended

**[02:18:28.320] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001629)  
to be given to the president

**[02:18:30.100] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001630)  
meron po ba

**[02:18:32.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001631)  
additional authority

**[02:18:33.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001632)  
kaya natin inintroduce to

**[02:18:35.400] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001633)  
at tinanggal natin yung impounding

**[02:18:36.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001634)  
okay

**[02:19:13.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001636)  
Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, that is correct po.

**[02:19:20.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001637)  
2026 GAA is the first wherein the terminology suspension of expenditure was used.

**[02:19:28.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001638)  
However, in previous GAAs where impoundment was used, in terms of the concept and the spirit, it's the same po.

**[02:19:35.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001639)  
We just changed the terminology in the 2026 GAA.

**[02:19:41.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001640)  
But why did we change it?

**[02:19:42.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001641)  
Are we giving the President or the Executive additional authority by doing so?

**[02:19:50.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001642)  
Madam Speaker, this is really just for consistency with EO 292

**[02:19:55.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001643)  
because the terminology that is used in EO 292 is suspension of expenditure.

**[02:20:01.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001644)  
So just to be consistent po, given that we are reiterating that substantive law in the general provision of the GAA,

**[02:20:09.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001645)  
just to be consistent po, in the 2026 GAA, we also,

**[02:20:12.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001646)  
carried the terminology suspension of expenditure.

**[02:20:16.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001647)  
So, wala po tayong, Madam Chair, we are not Distinguished Colleague,

**[02:20:20.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001648)  
wala po tayong dinadagdag na additional authority sa Presidente?

**[02:20:27.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001649)  
Wala po, Madam Speaker, we can categorically say we are not adding any more power.

**[02:20:33.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001650)  
We are just simply reiterating what is there in EO 292.

**[02:20:36.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001651)  
So we changed it because of a reiteration.

**[02:20:41.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001652)  
Just to be consistent po.

**[02:20:42.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001653)  
Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague, who proposed or requested this change?

**[02:20:48.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001654)  
Was it the DBM, the DOF or the Executive Department?

**[02:20:53.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001655)  
And sino po ang nag-introduce nito sa BICAM?

**[02:21:27.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001657)  
Pakipause yung time ko, please.

**[02:21:34.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001658)  
My time is running. Can you please pause it?

**[02:26:04.100] Deputy Speaker Janette L. Garin** (asr-001668)  
Session resumed. The sponsor may respond quickly.

**[02:26:06.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001668-split-2)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker. So for this particular general provision,

**[02:26:12.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001669)  
This was concurred by both houses,

**[02:26:14.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001670)  
both chambers, during the

**[02:26:16.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001671)  
BICAM.

**[02:26:18.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001672)  
So who introduced this in the

**[02:26:20.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001673)  
BICAM? Madam Chair?

**[02:26:24.380] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001674)  
And sino po ang nag-recommend

**[02:26:27.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001675)  
na ipasok ito sa BICAM?

**[02:26:35.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001676)  
Madam Speaker,

**[02:26:37.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001677)  
I don't want

**[02:26:39.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001678)  
to make a mistake po. So,

**[02:26:40.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001679)  
with the indulgence of

**[02:26:41.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001680)  
Representative

**[02:26:42.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001681)  
Nasal, may we

**[02:26:44.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001682)  
request for some time to look back at the

**[02:26:46.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001683)  
records of the BICAM

**[02:26:48.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001684)  
and see po. We'll just trace back

**[02:26:50.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001685)  
po, just to make sure we answer

**[02:26:52.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001686)  
correctly.

**[02:26:59.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001687)  
While we're doing

**[02:27:00.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001688)  
that po, may we proceed with other questions

**[02:27:02.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001689)  
and then we'll get back to you po

**[02:27:04.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001690)  
as soon as we

**[02:27:06.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001691)  
were able to backtrack.

**[02:27:08.440] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001692)  
Okay. My question,

**[02:27:11.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001693)  
Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague,

**[02:27:12.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001694)  
is

**[02:27:12.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001695)  
when we

**[02:27:16.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001696)  
introduced yung

**[02:27:17.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001697)  
provision on impoundment,

**[02:27:20.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001698)  
ang purpose po

**[02:27:22.900] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001699)  
natin is ma-implement

**[02:27:24.400] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001700)  
yung GAA.

**[02:27:27.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001701)  
So, ayaw natin na mag-impound.

**[02:27:29.340] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001702)  
So, basically, ang ginawa natin

**[02:27:30.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001703)  
ng ngayon by introducing this provision,

**[02:27:34.400] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001704)  
tinatanggal natin yung

**[02:27:36.340] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001705)  
provision on impounding

**[02:27:40.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001706)  
and

**[02:27:41.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001707)  
we are

**[02:27:42.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001708)  
making, parang

**[02:27:44.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001709)  
naglalagay na naman tayo ng kulatilya

**[02:27:46.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001710)  
na pwedeng

**[02:27:48.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001711)  
mamili

**[02:27:50.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001712)  
ng mga project na pwedeng

**[02:27:52.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001713)  
isuspend. Hindi po ba ganoon na nangyayari?

**[02:28:01.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001714)  
Madam Chair,

**[02:28:04.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001715)  
Distinguished Colleague.

**[02:28:08.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001716)  
Madam Speaker,

**[02:28:10.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001717)  
actually po, even without this general provision,

**[02:28:12.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001718)  
in the GAA, given that

**[02:28:14.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001719)  
there is already EO 292,

**[02:28:17.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001720)  
meron na yun po talagang

**[02:28:18.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001721)  
ganon. So, the GAA is simply

**[02:28:20.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001722)  
a reiteration of that. So, we were

**[02:28:22.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001723)  
not the ones who actually

**[02:28:24.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001724)  
implemented that,

**[02:28:26.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001725)  
but rather we are simply just reiterating.

**[02:28:28.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001726)  
So, why introduce it in the first place,

**[02:28:31.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001727)  
Madam Chair?

**[02:28:32.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001728)  
Meron na tayong provision

**[02:28:34.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001729)  
prior to this

**[02:28:36.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001730)  
on impounding, which protects

**[02:28:38.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001731)  
the GAA from being

**[02:28:40.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001732)  
um

**[02:28:41.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001733)  
um

**[02:28:41.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001734)  
, which protects

**[02:28:45.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001735)  
the GAA from being implemented.

**[02:28:48.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001736)  
Protects the GAA

**[02:28:49.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001737)  
na hindi po siya

**[02:28:51.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001738)  
pwede mag-impound

**[02:28:52.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001739)  
ang executive ng basta-basta.

**[02:28:54.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001740)  
So, why did we have to remove this provision?

**[02:28:57.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001741)  
Madam Speaker, actually,

**[02:28:58.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001742)  
speaking to DBM, they're actually

**[02:29:00.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001743)  
okay with removing this.

**[02:29:02.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001744)  
So, they're okay with removing this?

**[02:29:04.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001745)  
They will submit to the wisdom of Congress with regard to this.

**[02:29:07.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001746)  
But, it was

**[02:29:08.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001747)  
simply a reiteration, but

**[02:29:10.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001748)  
they will submit to our wisdom

**[02:29:12.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001749)  
if we choose to take this out

**[02:29:14.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001750)  
in the 2027 GAA.

**[02:29:17.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001751)  
Okay.

**[02:29:18.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001752)  
Um,

**[02:29:20.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001753)  
thank you for that.

**[02:29:23.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001754)  
So, pero Madam Chair,

**[02:29:24.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001755)  
since nandito pa rin siya sa

**[02:29:26.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001756)  
2026, and we applied it to ano,

**[02:29:28.520] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001757)  
gusto ko lang tanungin,

**[02:29:30.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001758)  
um, unmanageable

**[02:29:32.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001759)  
national government budget deficit

**[02:29:33.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001760)  
is specifically defined

**[02:29:35.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001761)  
dun sa 2026.

**[02:29:39.140] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001762)  
Um,

**[02:29:40.380] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001763)  
GAA.

**[02:29:42.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001764)  
But when public interest so requires,

**[02:29:44.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001765)  
it's not similarly defined.

**[02:29:47.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001766)  
May I ask, ano yung concrete example

**[02:29:49.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001767)  
ng public interest na sapat

**[02:29:51.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001768)  
para ipatigil ang expenditure

**[02:29:53.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001769)  
for a project?

**[02:29:55.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001770)  
Change of policy?

**[02:29:57.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001771)  
Change of priority?

**[02:29:57.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001772)  
May problema?

**[02:30:00.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001773)  
Ano malya? Ano ba ang objective standard natin?

**[02:30:04.660] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001774)  
And has this provision been invoked already in 2026?

**[02:30:10.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001775)  
Madam Speaker, there is actually jurisprudence with regard to this matter.

**[02:30:15.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001776)  
The Supreme Court has already ruled that the definition of when public interest requires is quite vague.

**[02:30:26.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001777)  
In essence, leaving it up to the President to decide on that.

**[02:30:32.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001778)  
But we're pulling right now, Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, this specific jurisprudence so we can cite it correctly.

**[02:30:42.380] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001779)  
Yung Arawlio po. Arawlio. You can look at Arawlio.

**[02:30:53.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001780)  
Madam Speaker, the DBM is just pulling.

**[02:30:56.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001781)  
The DBM is just pulling up the specific jurisprudence.

**[02:31:00.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001782)  
Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague, has this been invoked in 2026?

**[02:31:08.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001783)  
Madam Speaker, no. This particular general provision has not been invoked.

**[02:31:16.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001784)  
Diretso ko na lang po dun sa susunod kong tanong.

**[02:31:22.380] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001785)  
Madam Chair, under the new Section 78,

**[02:31:26.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001786)  
pwede ba ninyong gamitin ang public interest para hindi na i-release ang allotment for a project in the first place?

**[02:31:34.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001787)  
Yes or no?

**[02:31:56.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001788)  
Madam Speaker, the answer is no po, given that these speak of two different things.

**[02:32:07.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001789)  
Releases is different from suspension.

**[02:32:09.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001790)  
So this particular general provision only deals with suspension.

**[02:32:14.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001791)  
So hindi po pwedeng gamitin yung general provision na ito para hindi po i-release ang isa pong allocation or funding.

**[02:32:23.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001792)  
Then Madam Chair, can DBM kadilis?

**[02:32:26.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001793)  
DBM kategorikali confirm that public interest under Section 78 cannot be used to withhold the initial release of an allotment.

**[02:32:51.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001794)  
Madam Speaker, yes, the category...

**[02:32:54.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001795)  
My apologies, yes and no.

**[02:32:55.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001796)  
Medyo confusing po.

**[02:32:56.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001797)  
The categorical answer of DBM is no.

**[02:33:01.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001798)  
Hindi po pwedeng gamitin ito para mag-hold ng releases.

**[02:33:05.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001799)  
Then Madam Chair, Distinguished Colleague,

**[02:33:07.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001800)  
what provision now protects appropriations against impoundment

**[02:33:13.220] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001801)  
considering that the express prohibition against impoundment provision was removed?

**[02:33:56.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001807)  
May time?

**[02:33:57.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001808)  
Please suspend.

**[02:33:58.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001809)  
Thank you.

**[02:33:59.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001810)  
Thank you.

**[02:34:20.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001811)  
Madam Speaker, if I may.

**[02:34:23.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001812)  
As a response, there is general provision number 3.

**[02:34:27.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001813)  
Which pertains to the General Appropriations Act as allotment order.

**[02:34:32.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001814)  
It says here that the General Appropriations Act upon its effectivity shall be considered the allotment authorizing agencies to obligate in accordance with its provisions except for two conditions.

**[02:34:43.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001815)  
The first would be the appropriations that by virtue of law, general or special provisions, and rules and regulations, have conditions or requirements before release, and lump sum appropriations in the agency budget.

**[02:34:56.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001816)  
And special purpose funds that have no details necessary for release. So yun po yung safeguard, General Provision No. 3 po.

**[02:35:03.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001817)  
Can you please

**[02:35:06.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001818)  
So there are specific conditions by which a particular allotment would not be released; otherwise the general rule is it should be released.

**[02:35:17.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001819)  
Bakit po yung ano? Bakit po yung based doon sa NEP?

**[02:35:21.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001820)  
Bakit po yung congressional initiatives

**[02:35:24.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001821)  
Bakit po?

**[02:35:26.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001826)  
Bakit po yung congressional initiatives, nirequire ng aficero tapos nag-require ng additional requirements?

**[02:35:42.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001827)  
Wala po yun sa binasa nyo, Madam Chair.

**[02:35:46.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001828)  
In the case po, I wouldn't call them congressional initiatives.

**[02:35:50.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001829)  
Those are probably, with your permission po, we'll tag them as items that have deviations between the NEP and the GAA.

**[02:35:58.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001830)  
So, yun po kasi, those are items that have not been vetted by the DBM.

**[02:36:04.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001831)  
It didn't go through the usual process that the other projects had to undergo during the budget call.

**[02:36:12.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001832)  
So, in that case po, it's an additional safeguard on the part of DBM

**[02:36:17.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001833)  
to be able to make sure that these projects,

**[02:36:19.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001834)  
comply with the same requirements as the projects in the NEP.

**[02:36:23.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001835)  
So, meron pong ganong additional safeguard, kaya po naging FISARO po.

**[02:36:28.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001836)  
Ano po yung legal basis para gawin yun?

**[02:36:34.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001837)  
Every congressional initiative or amendment was done, dumaan po yan sa RDC and was properly vetted.

**[02:36:52.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001839)  
I wanted to know what the legal basis was for the president to do a veto.

**[02:36:55.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001840)  
Are you saying, Madam Chair,

**[02:36:58.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001841)  
distinguished colleague, na pag dumaan po sa atin,

**[02:37:01.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001842)  
dumaan po sa congressional,

**[02:37:04.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001843)  
sa House, dumaan sa Senate, hindi po natin binibeta?

**[02:37:07.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001844)  
The legal basis po for this, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague,

**[02:37:10.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001845)  
is the veto power of the president as indicated in the veto message.

**[02:37:16.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001846)  
There's a particular section there in the veto message that

**[02:37:19.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001847)  
that pertains to increases in appropriations and new budgetary items.

**[02:37:23.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001848)  
At doon po, linae out po yung mga conditions na kailangan po ma-meet for the release of these items

**[02:37:32.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001849)  
that are either new budgetary items or saw increases in appropriations.

**[02:37:38.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001850)  
In the 2026 GAA, ano yung veto message?

**[02:37:45.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001851)  
Saan po nakalagay na veto message yun?

**[02:37:47.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001852)  
Wala po sa veto message yun.

**[02:37:51.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001853)  
Doon po sa mismong veto message, it is under Section 6 with the header

**[02:37:57.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001854)  
Increases in Appropriations and New Budgetary Items as Published po.

**[02:38:02.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001855)  
With the veto message as published in the official gazette.

**[02:38:05.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001856)  
Under what provision po nakalagay sa veto message?

**[02:38:09.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001857)  
Item 6 po.

**[02:38:11.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001858)  
What does it state specifically?

**[02:38:12.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001859)  
It pertains to increases in appropriations and new budgetary items.

**[02:38:17.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001860)  
I could read po the particular item if our distinguished colleague so desires.

**[02:38:27.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001861)  
In the exercise of the budget execution function vested upon the executive branch,

**[02:38:31.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001862)  
it is understood that the increases in appropriations and new budgetary items introduced by the Congress in this budget

**[02:38:37.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001863)  
shall be subject to the national government's cash programming,

**[02:38:40.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001864)  
observance of prudent fiscal management,

**[02:38:44.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001865)  
applicable budget execution rules and procedures,

**[02:38:46.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001866)  
and,

**[02:38:47.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001867)  
and approval by the president based on the program priorities of the government.

**[02:38:51.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001868)  
Considering that such releases in appropriations and new budgetary items will have corresponding effects

**[02:38:56.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001869)  
on the outputs and outcomes of the agencies concerned,

**[02:38:59.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001870)  
the DBM shall inform the said agencies of the changes in their respective appropriations

**[02:39:03.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001871)  
and require the submission of their revised performance target.

**[02:39:07.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001872)  
So nasa first paragraph po, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleagues, yung mga conditions.

**[02:39:13.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001873)  
Thank you for that, Madam Chair, distinguished colleague.

**[02:39:16.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001874)  
Madam Chair,

**[02:39:17.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001875)  
may I apply natin kung ang isang project ay nasa FISARO at wala pang SARO,

**[02:39:23.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001876)  
can public interest be invoked so that the SARO is never released?

**[02:39:28.320] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001877)  
Yes or no?

**[02:39:33.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001878)  
My apologies, Madam Chair, Madam Speaker, medyo technical po kasi.

**[02:39:38.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001879)  
May I request for the question to be reiterated, releases po ba or suspension?

**[02:39:43.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001880)  
No, I'll just...

**[02:39:47.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001881)  
I'll just repeat the question.

**[02:39:48.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001882)  
Yes, please po.

**[02:39:48.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001883)  
Kung ang isang project po ay nasa FISARO at wala pang SARO,

**[02:39:53.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001884)  
can public interest be invoked so that the SARO is never released?

**[02:40:14.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001903)  
Madam Speaker, given that the question pertains to releases of items categorized under FISARO, opo, sa ilalim po nitong Section 6 ng veto message, maaari pong mangyari yan.

**[02:40:23.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001920)  
Opo.

**[02:40:24.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001921)  
Sa ilalim po nitong section six ng veto message, maaari pong mangyari yan if several of the conditions, one of the conditions set forth are met.

**[02:40:36.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001922)  
Either...

**[02:40:37.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001923)  
Hindi...

**[02:40:38.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001924)  
It could either not meet the national government's cash programming or prudent fiscal management,

**[02:40:46.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001925)  
or it went against applicable budget execution rules and procedures,

**[02:40:52.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001926)  
if any of the conditions are not met, it is possible po that an item under PESARO will not be released under Section 6 of the veto message.

**[02:41:02.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001927)  
How about, Madam Chair, distinguished colleagues, how about appropriations or line items introduced or amended by Congress?

**[02:41:12.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001928)  
Can the Executive likewise refuse the release by invoking public interest?

**[02:41:21.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001929)  
Yes, Madam Speaker. Given that whichever was included in either the HGAB or the SGAB or the BICAM that was not there in the NEPFOS under new budgetary items or increases in appropriations, the same section holds po. So it is possible.

**[02:41:39.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001930)  
So, kung hindi po natin tatanggal,

**[02:41:42.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001931)  
kung hindi po natin tatanggalin yung provision, which okay naman na sinasabi ng DBM, willing silang tanggalin yung provision on suspension.

**[02:41:51.320] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001932)  
For 2026, bakit hindi po kasi, bakit hindi na lang veto ang nangyari?

**[02:41:59.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001933)  
Kasi parang nakakatakot po eh. Kung pagkatapos ba in-act ang GAA, pwede nang piliin ng Executive.

**[02:42:05.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001934)  
Given this provision, pwede na pong piliin ng Executive kung alin ang ilalabas at alin ang hindi.

**[02:42:12.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001935)  
Hindi simply ang hindi i-invoke at alin ang hindi simply by invoking public interest, hindi pa parang nire-rewrite na ng Executive ang GAA.

**[02:42:42.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001936)  
Madam Speaker, ang nangyari po kasi kung dumedetsa po kaagad sa veto, given the volume of the line items of the budget that would be affected by the condition,

**[02:43:06.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001937)  
which would be the increases in appropriations or the new budgetary items,

**[02:43:12.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001938)  
maapektuhan po kasi yung essentially marami pong mga projects and programs and activities na madi-disallow kung dalesyo po tayo sa veto.

**[02:43:22.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001939)  
So ang ginawa nilang po as a safeguard, sinubject nilang po doon sa iba't ibang mga kondisyon.

**[02:43:28.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001940)  
So if straight to veto po kasi, ang mangyayari matatanggal po lahat sila so that would affect economic growth and government expenditure.

**[02:43:38.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001941)  
Hindi po ba pwede, Madam Chair, na very...

**[02:43:42.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001942)  
Like you mentioned, very specific naman yung veto message.

**[02:43:46.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001943)  
It can be very specific where kung ano yung ayaw ng Presidente na provision, yun lang ang i-veto niya.

**[02:43:59.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001944)  
And may I ask, bakit nyo po sinasabing maapektuhan ng economic growth?

**[02:44:05.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001945)  
Kasi parang ang sinasabi nyo, effectively, by saying that this will affect economic growth,

**[02:44:12.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001946)  
hindi ba nyo sinasabi na parang gagamitin natin ito as savings?

**[02:44:17.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001947)  
Madam Speaker, Mr. Speaker, actually po yun po yung ginawa ng Presidente.

**[02:44:23.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001948)  
Nag-line veto lang po siya ng particular items doon po sa 2026 budget.

**[02:44:29.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001949)  
But ito po is the veto message, the Section 6 of veto message specifically governs increases in appropriations and new budgetary items.

**[02:44:40.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001950)  
Based on your answer lang, Madam Chair.

**[02:44:42.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001951)  
Thank you very much, Mr. Presidente.

**[02:44:44.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001952)  
Distinguished colleague, parang ang sinasabi nyo kasi, the reason why we introduced this provision is for the purpose na magkaroon ng flexibility yung Presidente para kung sakaling gagamitin niya, i-invoke niya yung public interest.

**[02:45:00.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001953)  
interest na

**[02:45:01.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001954)  
provision, ay pwede pong

**[02:45:03.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001955)  
gamitin yung pera

**[02:45:06.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001956)  
at ilipat sa ibang

**[02:45:07.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001957)  
mga proyekto.

**[02:45:15.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001958)  
May time, please.

**[02:45:18.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001959)  
Pakitigil.

**[02:46:43.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001964)  
Mr. Speaker, actually po kahit wala po itong provision na 'to, kahit wala po itong general provision na 'to, the President has the power vested by the Constitution to use savings.

**[02:47:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001965)  
Under Section 25,

**[02:47:02.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001966)  
Subsection 5,

**[02:47:04.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001967)  
Article 6 of the

**[02:47:05.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001968)  
1987 Constitution,

**[02:47:08.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001969)  
no law shall be passed

**[02:47:09.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001970)  
authorizing any transfer

**[02:47:11.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001971)  
of appropriations. However,

**[02:47:13.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001972)  
the President, the President of the Senate,

**[02:47:15.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001973)  
the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the Chief

**[02:47:17.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001974)  
Justice of the Supreme Court, and the

**[02:47:19.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001975)  
Heads of Constitutional Commissions

**[02:47:21.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001976)  
may, by law, be authorized

**[02:47:23.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001977)  
to augment any item in the General

**[02:47:25.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001978)  
Appropriations Law for their respective

**[02:47:27.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001979)  
offices from savings in other

**[02:47:29.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001980)  
items of their respective

**[02:47:31.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001981)  
appropriations. So, mayroon din pong

**[02:47:33.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001982)  
constitutional basis ito pong

**[02:47:35.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001983)  
use of savings ng Pangulo.

**[02:47:39.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001984)  
Sige. Madam Chair,

**[02:47:41.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001985)  
kapag, I'll just go

**[02:47:43.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001986)  
on to my next question, no?

**[02:47:45.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001987)  
Diyan rin naman tayo pupunta.

**[02:47:47.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001988)  
Kapag pinatigil ang isang project under

**[02:47:49.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001989)  
Section 78, is it

**[02:47:51.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001990)  
merely suspended

**[02:47:52.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001991)  
or is it finally

**[02:47:54.520] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001992)  
discontinued or abandoned?

**[02:47:56.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-001993)  
Is it finally discontinued?

**[02:47:59.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001994)  
Madam Speaker,

**[02:48:11.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001995)  
if we base it on Section 78,

**[02:48:14.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001996)  
it is merely suspended.

**[02:48:16.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001997)  
It is not declared

**[02:48:17.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001998)  
as abandoned or

**[02:48:20.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-001999)  
hindi pa naman po siya technically na

**[02:48:22.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002000)  
de-declare as a savings.

**[02:48:23.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002001)  
So, suspended lang po.

**[02:48:25.300] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002002)  
So, Madam Chair,

**[02:48:27.320] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002003)  
you agree that hindi po siya pwedeng

**[02:48:28.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002004)  
gamitin as savings?

**[02:48:29.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002005)  
Kasi suspended pa lang siya?

**[02:48:32.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002006)  
Technically nga po, hindi din po siya

**[02:48:34.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002007)  
pwede pang i-declare as savings

**[02:48:35.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002008)  
kasi hindi pa siya na-release.

**[02:48:37.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002009)  
Because for something to be declared

**[02:48:38.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002010)  
as savings, it has to be,

**[02:48:40.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002011)  
the SARA has to be released

**[02:48:42.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002012)  
to a particular agency

**[02:48:43.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002013)  
and the agency has to give it up

**[02:48:45.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002014)  
as savings. So,

**[02:48:47.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002015)  
hindi po posible na

**[02:48:49.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002016)  
maging savings dahil po

**[02:48:51.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002017)  
sa Section 78. So, merely

**[02:48:53.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002018)  
suspended lang po.

**[02:48:56.220] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002019)  
Ang specific kasi na nakasabi po

**[02:48:58.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002020)  
sa Arawlio,

**[02:48:59.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002021)  
stopping expenditure does not

**[02:49:01.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002022)  
automatically create savings.

**[02:49:04.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002023)  
So, if you subsequently

**[02:49:05.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002024)  
declare the unused amount as savings,

**[02:49:09.380] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002025)  
aren't you also

**[02:49:10.100] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002026)  
formally declaring that the project

**[02:49:11.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002027)  
has been finally discontinued

**[02:49:13.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002028)  
or abandoned?

**[02:49:17.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002029)  
Madam,

**[02:49:18.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002030)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[02:49:19.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002031)  
iba po yung suspension ng project

**[02:49:22.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002032)  
sa discontinuance.

**[02:49:24.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002033)  
So, sa Section 78 po,

**[02:49:26.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002034)  
suspension lang po.

**[02:49:27.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002035)  
It still doesn't talk about the

**[02:49:29.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002036)  
discontinuance, which is the

**[02:49:31.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002037)  
prerequisite condition

**[02:49:33.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002038)  
for something to be

**[02:49:35.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002039)  
declared as savings.

**[02:49:37.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002040)  
So, kailan po siya, from suspension,

**[02:49:39.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002041)  
kailan siya nagiging savings?

**[02:49:41.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002042)  
Ano yung procedure?

**[02:49:51.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002043)  
And di ba po,

**[02:49:54.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002044)  
based sa Arawlio,

**[02:49:55.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002045)  
bawal po mag-suspend

**[02:49:57.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002046)  
before allotment.

**[02:50:02.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002048)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[02:50:03.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002049)  
there are several steps

**[02:50:05.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002050)  
for something to be declared

**[02:50:09.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002051)  
as savings.

**[02:50:10.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002052)  
So, the first po,

**[02:50:12.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002053)  
is for something to be released.

**[02:50:15.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002054)  
Yun po yung number one.

**[02:50:16.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002055)  
So, kailangan po ma-release po muna yung SARO.

**[02:50:18.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002056)  
And then, after that,

**[02:50:21.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002057)  
projects that have

**[02:50:23.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002058)  
been

**[02:50:24.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002059)  
released but have not been obligated

**[02:50:27.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002060)  
as a result of any

**[02:50:29.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002061)  
of the following conditions

**[02:50:30.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002062)  
can be declared as savings.

**[02:50:33.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002063)  
So, first condition po,

**[02:50:35.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002064)  
it can completion,

**[02:50:37.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002065)  
final discontinuance,

**[02:50:39.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002066)  
or abandonment of a program,

**[02:50:41.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002067)  
activity, or project for which

**[02:50:42.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002068)  
the appropriation is authorized.

**[02:50:44.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002069)  
Or, the second po would be

**[02:50:46.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002070)  
implementation of measures resulting

**[02:50:48.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002071)  
in improved systems and efficiencies

**[02:50:50.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002072)  
and thus enabled an agency

**[02:50:52.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002073)  
to meet and deliver the required

**[02:50:54.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002074)  
or planned targets, programs,

**[02:50:56.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002075)  
and services approved in this Act

**[02:50:57.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002076)  
at a lesser cost.

**[02:50:58.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002077)  
So, it's either

**[02:50:59.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002078)  
there were efficiencies

**[02:51:01.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002079)  
that were realized

**[02:51:03.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002080)  
or a project was considered

**[02:51:05.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002081)  
abandoned or

**[02:51:07.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002082)  
ruled as final discontinuance.

**[02:51:10.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002083)  
Section 84 po ito

**[02:51:11.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002084)  
ng General Provisions.

**[02:51:16.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002085)  
Yung suspension po ba

**[02:51:19.100] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002086)  
ay pwedeng eventually

**[02:51:21.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002087)  
maging savings?

**[02:51:28.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002088)  
Mr. Speaker, technically po, hindi.

**[02:51:34.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002089)  
Kasi po, pag sinuspend po

**[02:51:35.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002090)  
yung isang project, ibig sabihin po,

**[02:51:37.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002091)  
hindi po marirelease yung

**[02:51:39.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002092)  
SARO niya in the first place,

**[02:51:41.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002093)  
which is the first step

**[02:51:44.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002094)  
for something to be considered

**[02:51:46.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002095)  
eventually as a saving.

**[02:51:48.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002096)  
So, hindi po,

**[02:51:50.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002097)  
pag suspended po, wala pong posibilidad

**[02:51:52.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002098)  
na ma-declare siya bilang savings.

**[02:51:57.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002099)  
Kung ang project na ito,

**[02:51:58.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002100)  
project po ay

**[02:51:59.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002101)  
implementation ready naman

**[02:52:00.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002102)  
at pinatigil lang

**[02:52:02.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002103)  
because of public interest

**[02:52:04.300] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002104)  
so requires,

**[02:52:06.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002105)  
hindi siya pwede maging,

**[02:52:07.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002106)  
pwede ba siya maging savings?

**[02:52:14.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002107)  
For, if we're going back po

**[02:52:16.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002108)  
to Section 78,

**[02:52:18.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002109)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[02:52:19.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002110)  
where public,

**[02:52:22.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002111)  
when public interest

**[02:52:23.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002112)  
so requires,

**[02:52:25.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002113)  
was set forth as a condition,

**[02:52:27.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002114)  
hindi po.

**[02:52:28.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002115)  
So, dahil yung Section 78 po

**[02:52:31.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002116)  
ay tumutukoy lang po

**[02:52:33.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002117)  
sa suspension,

**[02:52:34.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002118)  
hindi po sa release.

**[02:52:37.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002119)  
Kaya hindi po,

**[02:52:38.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002120)  
dahil po suspended, wala pong SARO,

**[02:52:41.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002121)  
kaya po later on,

**[02:52:42.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002122)  
hindi rin po pwedeng i-declare as savings.

**[02:52:47.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002123)  
Madam Chair,

**[02:52:49.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002124)  
hindi pwedeng suspended

**[02:52:50.300] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002125)  
kapag tinanong natin kung bakit pinatigil.

**[02:52:53.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002126)  
Pero abandoned

**[02:52:54.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002127)  
naman kapag kailangan yung gumawa

**[02:52:56.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002128)  
ng savings.

**[02:52:57.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002129)  
So,

**[02:52:58.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002130)  
ano ba talaga?

**[02:53:02.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002131)  
Magkaiba po,

**[02:53:03.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002132)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[02:53:04.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002133)  
if I may draw the distinction.

**[02:53:06.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002134)  
So, if a project is suspended,

**[02:53:09.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002135)  
the SARO was not released

**[02:53:11.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002136)  
in the first place.

**[02:53:12.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002137)  
So, there is no ongoing project

**[02:53:14.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002138)  
to be declared as discontinued.

**[02:53:17.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002139)  
So, magkaiba po yun.

**[02:53:19.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002140)  
If I may draw the distinction,

**[02:53:21.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002141)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[02:53:22.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002142)  
if something is suspended,

**[02:53:25.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002143)  
wala pong

**[02:53:26.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002144)  
SARO na na-release,

**[02:53:28.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002145)  
wala pong project na pwedeng i-declare

**[02:53:30.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002146)  
as discontinued.

**[02:53:32.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002147)  
So, in effect po, wala din pong pwedeng

**[02:53:34.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002148)  
project na

**[02:53:36.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002149)  
pwedeng i-declare as savings.

**[02:53:39.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002150)  
So, magkaiba po, just to draw the distinction po,

**[02:53:41.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002151)  
Mr. Speaker.

**[02:53:42.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002152)  
But based on Arawlio, Madam Chair,

**[02:53:46.380] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002153)  
distinguished colleague,

**[02:53:48.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002154)  
bawal po i-suspend

**[02:53:49.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002155)  
ang project

**[02:53:51.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002156)  
ng walang SARO.

**[02:53:56.100] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002157)  
Very clear po yun.

**[02:53:58.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002158)  
Mr. Speaker, if I may po,

**[02:54:03.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002159)  
in the Arawlio

**[02:54:05.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002160)  
ruling po,

**[02:54:07.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002161)  
it says na bawal pong

**[02:54:09.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002162)  
i-declare

**[02:54:11.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002163)  
my apologies, bawal pong

**[02:54:13.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002164)  
i-declare as savings

**[02:54:15.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002165)  
hanggang walang

**[02:54:17.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002166)  
SARO release. Wala pong nare-release

**[02:54:19.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002167)  
na SARO. So, it's not actually

**[02:54:21.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002168)  
in terms of suspension,

**[02:54:25.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002169)  
it actually talks about the prohibition

**[02:54:27.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002170)  
of declaring

**[02:54:28.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002171)  
savings for a project

**[02:54:31.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002172)  
or a discontinued project for which

**[02:54:33.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002173)  
a SARO has not been released.

**[02:54:38.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002174)  
In Arawlio,

**[02:54:40.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002175)  
if you will look at the

**[02:54:41.220] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002176)  
It includes suspension po,

**[02:54:50.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002177)  
Madam Chair.

**[02:54:53.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002178)  
Mr. Speaker, we'll just pull up

**[02:54:55.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002179)  
the

**[02:54:56.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002180)  
actual document for Arawlio.

**[02:54:59.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002181)  
If we may request po

**[02:55:01.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002182)  
for a few

**[02:55:02.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002183)  
seconds.

**[02:55:34.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002186)  
Mr. Speaker, if we may request

**[02:55:44.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002187)  
for a moment

**[02:55:46.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002188)  
of suspension po for us just to be able

**[02:55:48.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002189)  
to pull the exact wordings from the Arawlio

**[02:55:50.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002190)  
jurisprudence.

**[02:55:52.000] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-002191)  
Session suspended.

**[03:00:06.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002200)  
Mr. Speaker, we're ready po.

**[03:00:11.700] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-002200-split-2)  
Session is resumed.

**[03:00:14.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002201)  
Mr. Speaker, if I may respond to our distinguished colleague.

**[03:00:16.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002202)  
So looking at the Araulio jurisprudence, it defines the terminology that would allow for the use of savings.

**[03:00:27.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002203)  
If I may read out, just if you would allow me, Section 60, Section 54, and Section 53 of the General Provisions of the 2011, 2012, and 2013 GAAS, respectively, contemplate three sources of savings.

**[03:00:45.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002204)  
So dinidefine po yung tatlong sources ng savings.

**[03:00:49.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002205)  
First, there can be savings when there are funds still available after completion of work, activity, or project,

**[03:00:56.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002206)  
which means there are excess funds remaining after the work, activity, or project is completed.

**[03:01:02.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002207)  
There can also be savings when there is final discontinuance of the work, activity, or project,

**[03:01:08.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002208)  
which means that there are funds remaining after work, activity, or project was started but finally discontinued before completion.

**[03:01:18.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002209)  
To illustrate, a bridge halfway completed is destroyed by floods or earthquake and thus finally discontinued

**[03:01:24.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002210)  
because the remaining funds are not sufficient.

**[03:01:26.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002211)  
Here, the funds are obligated but the remaining funds are deobligated upon final discontinuance of the project.

**[03:01:35.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002212)  
On the other hand, abandonment means the work, activity, or project can no longer be started because of lack of time to obligate the funds,

**[03:01:44.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002213)  
resulting in the physical impossibility to obligate the funds.

**[03:01:48.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002214)  
This happens when a month or two before the end of the fiscal year, there is no more time to conduct a public bidding to obligate the funds.

**[03:01:55.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002218)  
The funds are not and can no longer be obligated and thus will constitute savings.

**[03:02:01.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002219)  
Dito po tayo sa last sentence mag-align.

**[03:02:05.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002220)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, final discontinuance or abandonment excludes suspension or temporary stoppage of the work, activity, or the project.

**[03:02:17.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002221)  
Suspension, as it is referred to here in the Arroyo jurisprudence,

**[03:02:25.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002223)  
is the whole phrase po, suspension or temporary stoppage of the work, activity, or project.

**[03:02:31.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002224)  
So it is not the same suspension that is talked about in Section 78 of the General Provision.

**[03:02:41.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002225)  
Hindi po yun ang tinatanong ko, Madam Chair.

**[03:02:45.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002226)  
What I was asking is, you replied earlier that the President has the power, can exercise the power to suspend

**[03:02:54.900] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002227)  
even before the end of the fiscal year.

**[03:02:55.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002228)  
Even before the end of the fiscal year.

**[03:02:55.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002229)  
Even before allotment.

**[03:02:57.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002230)  
Ang very clear po na sinasabi sa Arroyo is that the President cannot exercise the power to suspend or stop expenditure under Section 38

**[03:03:08.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002231)  
towards appropriations as funds for it have yet to be released and allotted.

**[03:03:16.660] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-002232)  
The Chair would like to remind Honorable Nazal, your time has expired.

**[03:03:21.640] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-002233)  
Please wrap up your interpellation.

**[03:03:25.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002234)  
Maantay ko lang po yung sagot nila, Mr. Chair.

**[03:06:48.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002240)  
Mr. Speaker, we found the paragraph that Representative Nazal was referring to. If I may draw attention to a particular line which says Section 38 cannot be used by the President to stop permanently the expenditure of unobligated appropriated funds because that would amount to presidential power to impound funds appropriated in the GAA.

**[03:06:55.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002241)  
At yung nire-refer po ni Cong Robert is the next line: the President has no power to impound unobligated funds in the GAA. The operative word here po would be unobligated funds, and if something is categorized as unobligated, ibig sabihin po na-release na po iyon.

**[03:07:25.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002242)  
So it's different from something that has not been released. So ibig sabihin, the operative term here is that the President has no power to impound funds in the GAA that have been released but not yet obligated.

**[03:07:55.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002243)  
That's why in the succeeding sentences in the same paragraph the ruling reiterated the two reasons as also outlined in Section 84 on declaration of savings. So yun po, siguro po yung key doon: unobligated means it has already been released.

**[03:08:25.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002244)  
So kailangan may SARO na. Kailangan po may SARO na.

**[03:08:28.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002244-split-2)  
So only pag may SARO na, doon lang pwedeng i-invoke?

**[03:08:34.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002244-split-3)  
Yes, yung use of savings po. The suspension applies to

**[03:08:42.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002244-split-4)  
unreleased funds.

**[03:08:46.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002244-split-5)  
And for those that are obligated, sorry, released, yun na po yung naggo-govern yung use of savings.

**[03:08:55.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002245)  
So only those which are allotted, or may allotment, ang pwedeng i-suspend?

**[03:09:01.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002245-split-2)  
I-declare as savings po, not suspend. Ang pwede lang pong i-suspend ay yung hindi pa released, pero ang pwede lang pong i-declare as savings ay yung released na po, meaning may allotment na po.

**[03:09:15.000] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-002245-split-3)  
All right. Honorable Nazal, your time is up.

**[03:09:19.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002245-split-4)  
I just like to reiterate. Ang nakalagay po kasi sa Araulio

**[03:09:25.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-002246)  
the President cannot exercise the power to suspend or stop expenditure under Section 38 towards appropriations as funds for it have yet to be released and allotted.

**[03:09:40.640] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-002246-split-2)  
Final from the Chair.

**[03:09:42.870] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002246-split-3)  
Yes po, to that point, the President cannot declare something as savings. Cannot suspend, because something has

**[03:09:55.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002247)  
Yung...

**[03:09:58.250] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-002247-split-2)  
So your time is up. Thank you so much, Majority Leader.

**[03:10:04.160] Floor Leader** (asr-002247-split-3)  
Mr. Speaker, may we recognize the Honorable [unclear] of ACT Teachers Party-list for his interpellation.

**[03:10:13.620] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-002247-split-4)  
The honorable member of ACT Teachers is recognized. Please proceed.

**[03:10:25.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002248)  
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

**[03:10:30.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002249)  
Meron po tayong PowerPoint as aid in our interpellation.

**[03:10:36.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002250)  
If the sponsor will allow.

**[03:10:42.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002251)  
Yes.

**[03:10:44.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002252)  
If the majority leader po would allow.

**[03:10:46.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002253)  
Pintayin lang po natin.

**[03:10:48.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002254)  
Pakistop muna.

**[03:10:49.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002255)  
Ayan, okay.

**[03:10:50.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002256)  
Alright.

**[03:10:50.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002257)  
So, medyo historical po ang ating...

**[03:10:55.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002258)  
approach dito.

**[03:10:57.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002259)  
So, tinignan po natin yung budget from General Appropriations Act and NEP from 2016 to 2026 and of course the proposed for 2027.

**[03:11:08.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002260)  
Ang unang pag-usapan po natin, yung usapin ng debt.

**[03:11:12.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002261)  
Utang.

**[03:11:14.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002262)  
So, ayan na, nasa laman ng balita na papalaki ng papalaki ang utang ng bansa.

**[03:11:20.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002263)  
So, gaano kalaki ang paglaki?

**[03:11:22.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002264)  
Okay.

**[03:11:23.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002265)  
2016.

**[03:11:24.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002266)  
Ang...

**[03:11:25.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002267)  
outstanding national debt was 6.09 trillion.

**[03:11:30.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002268)  
That was 2016.

**[03:11:32.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002269)  
And by 2026, yung pangalawa, sa kanan, 19.7 trillion projected.

**[03:11:40.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002270)  
Hindi pa po tapos ang 2026.

**[03:11:43.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002271)  
And for 2027, it is projected to be 21.48 trillion.

**[03:11:49.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002272)  
Notably po, parang lumaki talaga or unang malaking talon was in...

**[03:11:55.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002273)  
2020.

**[03:11:57.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002274)  
The debt.

**[03:11:58.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002275)  
From 7.7 trillion, naging 9.8 trillion.

**[03:12:03.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002276)  
And then, mula noon, if you're looking at the trends, ay tuloy-tuloy po.

**[03:12:09.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002277)  
Steeper.

**[03:12:09.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002278)  
You can see a much steeper rise from 2020 onwards up to the present.

**[03:12:17.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002279)  
Ano po ang explanation ng ating mga economic managers?

**[03:12:21.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002280)  
Why was it that from 2020 onwards, ay...

**[03:12:25.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002281)  
naging mas pambihira o mas malaki ang paglaki ng utang?

**[03:12:49.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002282)  
Yung oras po.

**[03:12:55.270] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002284)  
Dapat pala, binabantayan yung oras dito.

**[03:16:24.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002293)  
Mr. Speaker, my apologies. It took us and the [unclear] family some time to pull out the historical data.

**[03:16:31.950] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002294)  
So for actual debt as a percentage of nominal GDP,

**[03:16:34.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002295)  
tama po yung binanggit ni Representative Tinio

**[03:16:37.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002296)  
na malaki po yung tinaas sa pagitan po ng 2019 and 2020.

**[03:16:42.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002297)  
Ang dahilan po dito ay yung COVID response na ating gobyerno.

**[03:16:46.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002298)  
So umutang po ng malaki yung ating gobyerno.

**[03:16:50.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002299)  
Tumaas po yung ating actual debt as a percentage of nominal GDP

**[03:16:53.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002300)  
from 39.6% in 2019 up to 54.6% in 2020.

**[03:17:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002301)  
And thereafter po, binabayada na po natin yung mga interest payments

**[03:17:05.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002302)  
at yung maturity po noong mga inutang natin noong 2019.

**[03:17:09.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002303)  
So yun po yung dahilan kung bakit napaka laki po noong talon

**[03:17:13.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002304)  
noong ating debt servicing simula po 2019.

**[03:17:17.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002305)  
Okay, and let us note yung sinabi nyo,

**[03:17:19.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002306)  
in 2019, debt to GDP ratio was at 39.6%.

**[03:17:27.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002307)  
39.6%.

**[03:17:28.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002308)  
But currently, it's already,

**[03:17:30.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002309)  
around 65%.

**[03:17:31.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002310)  
As of 2026 po, 66%.

**[03:17:37.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002311)  
66%.

**[03:17:38.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002312)  
So lagpas na po dun sa usual benchmark, di ba?

**[03:17:44.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002313)  
And even that benchmark,

**[03:17:45.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002314)  
I have something to say about that benchmark.

**[03:17:48.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002315)  
Kasi iba na yung sinasabing benchmark ng DOF ngayon

**[03:17:50.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002316)  
kumpara noong, naalala ko to,

**[03:17:53.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002317)  
noong una kaming nasa kongreso ni Kong Alvarez eh,

**[03:17:55.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002318)  
na nakikita ko,

**[03:17:59.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002319)  
sina,

**[03:18:00.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002320)  
purisima?

**[03:18:00.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002321)  
Iba eh.

**[03:18:01.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002322)  
Okay, but anyway.

**[03:18:03.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002323)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[03:18:04.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002324)  
if I may clarify lang po,

**[03:18:06.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002325)  
what we use against the benchmark

**[03:18:07.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002326)  
is not the actual debt as a percentage of nominal GDP

**[03:18:11.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002327)  
as stated in the presentation.

**[03:18:14.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002328)  
Rather, it's general government debt

**[03:18:16.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002329)  
as a percentage of GDP.

**[03:18:18.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002330)  
And if we look at general government debt,

**[03:18:20.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002331)  
it's only at 58.6 for 2026.

**[03:18:25.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002332)  
So it's below the benchmark po.

**[03:18:27.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002333)  
Alright, alright.

**[03:18:28.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002334)  
Sige.

**[03:18:29.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002335)  
So depende pala kung anong pipiliin nating benchmark.

**[03:18:32.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002336)  
Okay, but anyway,

**[03:18:33.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002337)  
we'll have more on that I suppose

**[03:18:35.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002338)  
when DOF comes.

**[03:18:37.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002339)  
But, so papalaki ang utang.

**[03:18:39.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002340)  
So ang explanation,

**[03:18:40.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002341)  
kinailangan ng umutang na malaki dahil sa COVID response

**[03:18:43.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002342)  
at mula noon,

**[03:18:45.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002343)  
kailangan bayaran.

**[03:18:46.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002344)  
So kaya lumalaki lalo.

**[03:18:48.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002345)  
Parang ganun yung paliwanag.

**[03:18:49.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002346)  
Anyway, this is the reality.

**[03:18:51.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002347)  
If you go to the next table,

**[03:18:54.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002348)  
consequently,

**[03:18:57.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002349)  
next table,

**[03:18:58.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002350)  
wala na po.

**[03:19:00.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002351)  
This is just a graph to visualize the debt payment.

**[03:19:04.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002352)  
So yung pag, obviously,

**[03:19:06.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002353)  
lumalaki ang utang,

**[03:19:07.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002354)  
lumalaki ang debt payment.

**[03:19:09.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002355)  
So yung blue is principal amortization

**[03:19:12.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002356)  
and orange is interest payments.

**[03:19:16.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002357)  
So in 2016,

**[03:19:18.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002358)  
total debt payments were,

**[03:19:22.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002359)  
can you imagine,

**[03:19:23.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002360)  
790 million,

**[03:19:25.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002361)  
a billion pesos.

**[03:19:26.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002362)  
So 790,

**[03:19:28.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002363)  
20 billion pesos.

**[03:19:29.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002364)  
Pero ngayon pong,

**[03:19:31.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002365)  
2026,

**[03:19:35.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002366)  
2.05 trillion.

**[03:19:37.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002367)  
And for 2027,

**[03:19:39.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002368)  
it's projected to be at

**[03:19:41.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002369)  
2.7 trillion pesos.

**[03:19:44.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002370)  
So yung

**[03:19:45.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002371)  
stands to reason,

**[03:19:47.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002372)  
dahil mas malaki ang utang,

**[03:19:48.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002373)  
mas malaki ang babayaran.

**[03:19:50.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002374)  
Hindi na po kailangan ng response.

**[03:19:53.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002375)  
Basta,

**[03:19:54.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002376)  
tama po ba yan?

**[03:19:55.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002377)  
Yung figures.

**[03:19:55.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002378)  
That for 2026,

**[03:19:58.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002379)  
25 principal and interest payments,

**[03:20:02.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002380)  
2.05 trillion,

**[03:20:03.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002381)  
and then 2.7 trillion.

**[03:20:12.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002382)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[03:20:14.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002383)  
if we may clarify po,

**[03:20:15.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002384)  
the figures presented by the Honorable Tinio

**[03:20:18.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002385)  
are not debt servicing figures.

**[03:20:23.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002386)  
Rather,

**[03:20:24.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002387)  
these are gross borrowings po.

**[03:20:28.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002388)  
Okay.

**[03:20:30.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002389)  
Well,

**[03:20:32.760] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002390)  
kinuha natin ito sa BESF

**[03:20:34.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002391)  
and their principal amortization

**[03:20:36.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002392)  
and interest payments.

**[03:20:39.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002393)  
Di po ba?

**[03:20:41.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002394)  
Yung nabanggit po,

**[03:20:43.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002395)  
dito po sa chart,

**[03:20:44.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002396)  
ay gross borrowings po.

**[03:20:47.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002397)  
Yung interest payments po,

**[03:20:49.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002398)  
mas mababa po.

**[03:20:52.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002399)  
For 2016,

**[03:20:55.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002400)  
sorry,

**[03:20:55.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002401)  
for 2026 po,

**[03:20:57.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002402)  
yun na lang po,

**[03:20:57.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002403)  
siguro yung ikumpa na natin.

**[03:20:59.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002404)  
Okay.

**[03:20:59.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002405)  
Instead of the 2 point,

**[03:21:01.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002406)  
as compared to the 2.05 trillion

**[03:21:03.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002407)  
in gross borrowings,

**[03:21:05.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002408)  
Okay.

**[03:21:06.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002409)  
P995 billion po.

**[03:21:10.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002410)  
And then for 2027,

**[03:21:12.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002411)  
ang projected po,

**[03:21:13.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002412)  
as compared to the 2.7 trillion

**[03:21:16.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002413)  
in gross borrowings,

**[03:21:18.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002414)  
1.11 trillion pesos po.

**[03:21:21.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002415)  
Yes.

**[03:21:22.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002416)  
If the,

**[03:21:24.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002417)  
pwede pong i-

**[03:21:26.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002418)  
i-highlight yung

**[03:21:28.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002419)  
yung orange part.

**[03:21:30.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002420)  
Ayan yun.

**[03:21:31.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002421)  
Bakit yung,

**[03:21:31.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002422)  
the figures you mentioned,

**[03:21:33.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002423)  
the orange part,

**[03:21:33.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002424)  
that's 1.11 trillion.

**[03:21:35.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002425)  
That's the interest payments.

**[03:21:38.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002426)  
No?

**[03:21:38.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002427)  
Tapos,

**[03:21:39.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002428)  
in 2026,

**[03:21:42.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002429)  
that's 995 trillion.

**[03:21:45.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002430)  
So,

**[03:21:45.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002431)  
we're talking,

**[03:21:46.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002432)  
we're using the same figures here.

**[03:21:48.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002433)  
Okay.

**[03:21:48.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002434)  
My apologies po.

**[03:21:50.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002435)  
Medyo nahirapan po kami.

**[03:21:51.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002436)  
Ang liit po kasi ng numbers.

**[03:21:53.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002437)  
I think,

**[03:21:53.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002438)  
ang nangyari po,

**[03:21:55.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002439)  
in-add po yung interest,

**[03:21:56.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002440)  
payments at yung

**[03:21:57.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002441)  
amortization po.

**[03:22:00.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002442)  
Tama po.

**[03:22:01.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002443)  
So, in-add po yung column

**[03:22:02.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002444)  
ng interest payments

**[03:22:03.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002445)  
and principal payments.

**[03:22:04.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002446)  
Yes.

**[03:22:05.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002447)  
Okay.

**[03:22:05.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002448)  
That's correct.

**[03:22:05.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002449)  
Sige po.

**[03:22:06.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002450)  
We have,

**[03:22:07.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002451)  
we're aligned po.

**[03:22:08.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002452)  
We're aligned.

**[03:22:08.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002453)  
We're aligned.

**[03:22:10.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002454)  
Our apologies,

**[03:22:11.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002455)  
sobrang liit po

**[03:22:12.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002456)  
kasi hindi talaga naman makita.

**[03:22:13.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002457)  
Tama po ang datos natin.

**[03:22:13.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002458)  
Yun lang po ang point.

**[03:22:14.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002459)  
Okay?

**[03:22:15.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002460)  
So,

**[03:22:16.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002461)  
para maintindihan ng publiko,

**[03:22:17.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002462)  
magkano yung binabayaran,

**[03:22:20.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002463)  
binabayaran at babayaran

**[03:22:21.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002464)  
nating utang.

**[03:22:22.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002465)  
So,

**[03:22:22.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002466)  
principal and interest payments

**[03:22:24.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002467)  
for 2027,

**[03:22:27.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002468)  
sa proposed budget,

**[03:22:28.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002470)  
aabot yan sa

**[03:22:28.760] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002471)  
2.7 trillion pesos.

**[03:22:30.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002472)  
Yun lang po yung point natin.

**[03:22:32.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002473)  
Okay.

**[03:22:33.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002474)  
Now,

**[03:22:35.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002475)  
of course,

**[03:22:36.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002476)  
napakalaki.

**[03:22:37.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002477)  
Imagine.

**[03:22:38.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002478)  
Tapos, alam natin,

**[03:22:39.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002479)  
yung principal amortization,

**[03:22:41.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002480)  
di na nga kasama yan sa ano eh.

**[03:22:43.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002481)  
Sa GAA na ina-aprobahan natin.

**[03:22:46.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002482)  
Automatic yan.

**[03:22:47.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002483)  
Diba?

**[03:22:48.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002484)  
Even the interest payments.

**[03:22:50.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002485)  
Okay?

**[03:22:51.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002486)  
So, labas pa to

**[03:22:51.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002487)  
dun sa 7.2 trillion.

**[03:22:55.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002488)  
Na,

**[03:22:55.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002489)  
pinapakasama,

**[03:22:56.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002490)  
ipa-aprubahan sa atin.

**[03:22:57.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002491)  
Okay?

**[03:22:59.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002492)  
Ngayon,

**[03:23:00.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002493)  
napakalaking utang.

**[03:23:02.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002494)  
Napakalaking binabayaran.

**[03:23:04.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002495)  
Ang tanong po ngayon,

**[03:23:07.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002496)  
well,

**[03:23:09.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002497)  
tignan natin yung budget.

**[03:23:10.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002498)  
First of all,

**[03:23:11.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002499)  
how much of our budget

**[03:23:12.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002500)  
is funded by debt?

**[03:23:15.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002501)  
So, ibig sabihin,

**[03:23:16.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002502)  
deficit spending.

**[03:23:17.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002503)  
Diba?

**[03:23:18.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002504)  
Okay.

**[03:23:18.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002505)  
So, that's the next table.

**[03:23:21.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002506)  
So, yan po yung budget

**[03:23:22.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002507)  
and then yung blue,

**[03:23:24.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002508)  
the orange part,

**[03:23:25.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002509)  
that's the deficit part.

**[03:23:26.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002510)  
So, obviously,

**[03:23:29.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002511)  
papalaki na rin

**[03:23:29.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002512)  
from 2020 onwards,

**[03:23:32.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002513)  
papalaki na rin yung

**[03:23:34.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002514)  
total of the

**[03:23:35.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002515)  
GAA

**[03:23:36.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002516)  
funded by debt.

**[03:23:39.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002517)  
Okay?

**[03:23:40.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002518)  
So,

**[03:23:41.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002519)  
in the case of

**[03:23:43.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002520)  
2026,

**[03:23:46.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002521)  
the current budget,

**[03:23:48.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002522)  
24%

**[03:23:49.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002523)  
is deficit,

**[03:23:51.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002524)  
deficit,

**[03:23:51.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002525)  
will be funded by

**[03:23:54.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002526)  
deficit payment.

**[03:23:55.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002527)  
Deficit payment.

**[03:23:56.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002528)  
O, deficit spending.

**[03:23:58.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002529)  
1.6 trillion pesos.

**[03:24:01.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002530)  
And then,

**[03:24:03.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002531)  
for

**[03:24:03.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002532)  
2027,

**[03:24:06.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002533)  
proposed budget,

**[03:24:07.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002534)  
ganun din,

**[03:24:07.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002535)  
around 1.69 trillion.

**[03:24:10.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002536)  
Tama po ba?

**[03:24:12.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002537)  
Whereas, in 2016,

**[03:24:14.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002538)  
in 2016,

**[03:24:18.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002539)  
total of 13%

**[03:24:20.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002540)  
of the budget

**[03:24:21.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002541)  
was funded by debt.

**[03:24:23.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002542)  
Yung deficit spending.

**[03:24:24.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002543)  
In 2016,

**[03:24:26.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002544)  
yung 27,

**[03:24:27.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002545)  
it will be 24%

**[03:24:29.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002546)  
of total budget.

**[03:24:29.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002547)  
Yun po yung point natin.

**[03:24:31.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002548)  
Now, almost

**[03:24:32.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002549)  
one-fourth

**[03:24:33.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002550)  
of the GAA

**[03:24:34.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002551)  
will be

**[03:24:35.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002552)  
funded through

**[03:24:37.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002553)  
deficit spending.

**[03:24:39.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002554)  
Meaning,

**[03:24:40.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002555)  
from debt,

**[03:24:40.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002556)  
mainly.

**[03:24:41.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002557)  
Tama po ba?

**[03:24:44.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002558)  
That is correct,

**[03:24:45.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002559)  
Mr. Speaker.

**[03:24:45.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002560)  
Yes.

**[03:24:46.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002561)  
Okay.

**[03:24:47.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002562)  
So, 1.69 trillion

**[03:24:49.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002563)  
sa 7.2

**[03:24:50.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002564)  
for next year,

**[03:24:53.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002565)  
kailangan utangin.

**[03:24:54.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002566)  
In-utang na.

**[03:24:56.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002567)  
Or utangin.

**[03:24:57.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002568)  
Okay.

**[03:24:58.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002569)  
Ngayon,

**[03:24:59.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002570)  
ang tanong na,

**[03:25:01.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002571)  
sabi nga,

**[03:25:03.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002572)  
umuutang tayo

**[03:25:04.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002573)  
or living beyond our means.

**[03:25:05.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002574)  
Ika nga, no?

**[03:25:06.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002575)  
Ang usapin lang naman,

**[03:25:07.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002576)  
and you will probably argue,

**[03:25:08.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002577)  
kaya pa rin nating bayaran.

**[03:25:09.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002578)  
Diba?

**[03:25:10.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002579)  
Ngayon,

**[03:25:11.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002580)  
ang tanong na ngayon is,

**[03:25:13.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002581)  
where does that deficit spending go to?

**[03:25:16.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002582)  
Diba?

**[03:25:16.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002583)  
Sa napunta yung inutang mo?

**[03:25:19.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002584)  
Yung pinag-utanga natin,

**[03:25:20.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002585)  
sa napupunta?

**[03:25:21.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002586)  
Ang gusto ko pang

**[03:25:22.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002587)  
i-highlight dito,

**[03:25:25.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002588)  
well,

**[03:25:26.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002589)  
what did that deficit spending enable?

**[03:25:29.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002590)  
No?

**[03:25:30.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002591)  
Ang gusto po natin ipakita rito,

**[03:25:32.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002592)  
among others,

**[03:25:34.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002593)  
it enabled

**[03:25:34.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002594)  
massive increase

**[03:25:37.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002595)  
in public infrastructure

**[03:25:39.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002596)  
and to highlight,

**[03:25:43.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002597)  
flood control.

**[03:25:45.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002598)  
Pa?

**[03:25:46.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002599)  
So, what does this table show?

**[03:25:49.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002600)  
Ang pinapakita po natin

**[03:25:50.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002601)  
sa table na to,

**[03:25:52.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002602)  
again, same time frame,

**[03:25:54.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002603)  
2016 to 2020,

**[03:25:56.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002604)  
27 proposed,

**[03:25:58.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002605)  
ang pinapakita po rito

**[03:25:59.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002606)  
ay yung

**[03:26:00.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002607)  
increase

**[03:26:02.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002608)  
ng appropriations

**[03:26:04.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002609)  
for flood control.

**[03:26:06.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002610)  
No?

**[03:26:07.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002611)  
And,

**[03:26:08.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002612)  
what do we note?

**[03:26:09.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002613)  
Actually,

**[03:26:10.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002614)  
ang makikita natin dito

**[03:26:11.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002615)  
ay talagang

**[03:26:13.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002616)  
significant

**[03:26:14.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002617)  
ang naging paglaki ng flood control

**[03:26:17.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002618)  
starting in 2018.

**[03:26:19.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002619)  
2018.

**[03:26:20.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002620)  
No?

**[03:26:21.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002621)  
From 430 billion,

**[03:26:24.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002622)  
naging 613 billion,

**[03:26:25.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002623)  
613 billion,

**[03:26:26.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002624)  
in 2018.

**[03:26:27.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002625)  
But,

**[03:26:28.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002626)  
pero,

**[03:26:30.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002627)  
pinakamarkado talaga

**[03:26:32.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002628)  
ang paglaki.

**[03:26:33.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002629)  
Of course,

**[03:26:37.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002630)  
in the golden age

**[03:26:39.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002631)  
of flood control

**[03:26:40.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002632)  
dito sa Pilipinas,

**[03:26:41.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002633)  
the first three years

**[03:26:43.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002634)  
of the Marcos Junior Administration.

**[03:26:45.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002635)  
2023.

**[03:26:47.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002636)  
No?

**[03:26:47.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002637)  
Total of 287 billion

**[03:26:49.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002638)  
ang flood control alone.

**[03:26:50.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002639)  
At,

**[03:26:50.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002640)  
2024,

**[03:26:52.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002641)  
the peak,

**[03:26:53.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002642)  
357 billion

**[03:26:57.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002643)  
ang flood control alone.

**[03:26:59.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002644)  
At,

**[03:26:59.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002654)  
At,

**[03:27:00.250] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002655)  
2025,

**[03:27:01.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002656)  
353 billion

**[03:27:02.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002657)  
ang flood control alone.

**[03:27:04.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002658)  
Okay?

**[03:27:04.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002659)  
Of course,

**[03:27:05.490] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002660)  
alam natin,

**[03:27:06.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002661)  
2026,

**[03:27:07.270] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002662)  
halos nawala yan.

**[03:27:08.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002663)  
And then,

**[03:27:09.050] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002664)  
ngayon,

**[03:27:09.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002665)  
gustong ibalik.

**[03:27:10.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002666)  
So,

**[03:27:11.730] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002667)  
ngayon,

**[03:27:12.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002668)  
meron

**[03:27:13.510] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002669)  
for DPWH,

**[03:27:14.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002670)  
this is actually

**[03:27:15.290] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002671)  
just DPWH,

**[03:27:16.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002672)  
may 83 billion

**[03:27:17.070] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002673)  
for flood control

**[03:27:17.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002674)  
in DPWH.

**[03:27:18.850] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002675)  
Okay.

**[03:27:19.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002676)  
So,

**[03:27:20.630] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002677)  
tama po ba

**[03:27:21.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002678)  
na talagang

**[03:27:22.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002679)  
naging pambihira

**[03:27:23.310] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002680)  
ang

**[03:27:24.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002681)  
flood control

**[03:27:25.090] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002682)  
ng DPWH?

**[03:27:25.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002683)  
Naging pambihira

**[03:27:26.870] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002684)  
ang,

**[03:27:27.760] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002685)  
naging

**[03:27:28.650] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002686)  
significant

**[03:27:30.430] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002687)  
ang paglaki ng

**[03:27:31.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002688)  
flood control

**[03:27:32.210] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002689)  
during the

**[03:27:33.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002690)  
Marcos,

**[03:27:33.990] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002691)  
the first

**[03:27:34.890] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002692)  
three years

**[03:27:35.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002693)  
of the Marcos Jr.

**[03:27:36.670] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002694)  
administration.

**[03:27:37.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002695)  
It's right there.

**[03:27:38.450] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002696)  
Tama naman,

**[03:28:09.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002720)  
Based on the

**[03:28:09.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002721)  
Um,

**[03:28:10.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002722)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[03:28:10.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002723)  
That is correct po.

**[03:28:11.850] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002724)  
Yes,

**[03:28:12.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002725)  
of course,

**[03:28:13.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002726)  
it's correct.

**[03:28:14.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002727)  
Now,

**[03:28:14.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002728)  
so in other words

**[03:28:15.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002729)  
ang

**[03:28:16.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002730)  
parang

**[03:28:16.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002731)  
gusto kong

**[03:28:18.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002732)  
ipakita rito,

**[03:28:19.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002733)  
umutang tayo ng malaki.

**[03:28:22.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002734)  
large budget deficit,

**[03:28:24.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002735)  
Funded by debt.

**[03:28:26.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002736)  
Saan napunta yun?

**[03:28:27.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002737)  
Anong pinunduhan nun?

**[03:28:29.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002738)  
Sinasabi natin,

**[03:28:31.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002739)  
a significant expansion

**[03:28:32.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002740)  
of flood control.

**[03:28:35.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002741)  
It's one.

**[03:28:37.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002742)  
The other that I would like to point out,

**[03:28:40.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002743)  
ayuda.

**[03:28:42.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002744)  
So, ayuda naman.

**[03:28:43.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002745)  
Ano nangyari sa ayuda?

**[03:28:47.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002746)  
So, again, we looked at 2016

**[03:28:49.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002747)  
to 2027.

**[03:28:51.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002748)  
Then, DSWD, DOLE, and DOH.

**[03:28:56.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002749)  
Yan yung mga major ayuda agencies.

**[03:28:59.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002750)  
Let's call them that.

**[03:29:02.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002751)  
DSWD.

**[03:29:03.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002752)  
Nung 2016 po,

**[03:29:05.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002753)  
ang AICS,

**[03:29:06.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002754)  
alam nyo kung magkano ang AICS nung 2016?

**[03:29:10.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002755)  
Ang AICS po nung 2016,

**[03:29:11.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002756)  
last year of the Aquino administration,

**[03:29:14.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002757)  
P697 million.

**[03:29:18.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002758)  
P697 million.

**[03:29:19.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002759)  
P697 million pesos.

**[03:29:20.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002760)  
Pero,

**[03:29:21.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002761)  
nakita natin

**[03:29:23.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002762)  
ang significant na paglaki

**[03:29:24.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002763)  
starting, let's say, in 20,

**[03:29:27.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002764)  
well,

**[03:29:29.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002765)  
sabihin na natin 2020.

**[03:29:31.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002766)  
And maybe we can understand,

**[03:29:32.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002767)  
pandemia.

**[03:29:33.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002768)  
Diba?

**[03:29:35.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002769)  
So, 8.7

**[03:29:36.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002770)  
billion.

**[03:29:38.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002771)  
So, from P697 million,

**[03:29:40.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002772)  
8.7 billion.

**[03:29:42.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002773)  
Pero, kahit tapos na ang pandemia,

**[03:29:44.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002774)  
even up to the present,

**[03:29:46.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002775)  
ay tuloy-tuloy ang paglaki

**[03:29:48.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002776)  
ng AICS,

**[03:29:50.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002777)  
or what I will call,

**[03:29:51.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002778)  
patronage-based

**[03:29:54.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002779)  
ayuda.

**[03:29:56.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002780)  
By the way, yung blue dito,

**[03:29:58.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002781)  
yan yung four-piece.

**[03:30:00.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002782)  
Nakikita ko si Congressman Abalos, 4-piece party list.

**[03:30:06.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002783)  
Yung blue 4-piece.

**[03:30:07.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002784)  
So let's call that the parametric-based ayuda.

**[03:30:12.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002785)  
Parametric ayuda, meron mga objective criteria supposedly

**[03:30:15.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002786)  
as against the patronage-based ayuda, which is AIC.

**[03:30:19.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002787)  
Okay, makita po natin, especially in 2022, 23, 24, 25,

**[03:30:30.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002788)  
pambihira po ang naging paglaki ng AICs.

**[03:30:33.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002789)  
In 2026, it was 63.8 billion pesos.

**[03:30:40.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002790)  
63.8 billion pesos.

**[03:30:42.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002791)  
That's a 9,000% increase from the AICs level in 2016.

**[03:30:49.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002792)  
Times 90. Times 90 plus ang naging increase ng AICs.

**[03:30:55.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002793)  
Noong 2024 and 2025, AICs yung orange, meron pangyelo dyan.

**[03:31:01.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002794)  
Yung AICs na nadagdaga ng tinatawag na ACAP.

**[03:31:05.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002795)  
Yan yung dalawang taon na ACAP,

**[03:31:07.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002796)  
which is another form of patronage-based ayuda.

**[03:31:10.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002797)  
So yun po ang point. Ngayon sa Dole, Tupad.

**[03:31:15.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002798)  
In 2016, Tupad was 3.2 billion.

**[03:31:19.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002799)  
At the peak, 2024, it became 29 billion.

**[03:31:28.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002800)  
29 billion.

**[03:31:30.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002801)  
How many times ang increase nito?

**[03:31:33.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002802)  
Times 3.

**[03:31:36.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002803)  
Times 6, sorry.

**[03:31:38.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002804)  
Six times increase.

**[03:31:40.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002805)  
Six times increase.

**[03:31:42.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002806)  
Tapos, medyo bumaba yung levels ng Tupad,

**[03:31:45.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002807)  
pero generally much higher.

**[03:31:48.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002808)  
And you can see,

**[03:31:49.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002809)  
as a percentage,

**[03:31:51.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002810)  
yung Dole budget, yun yung blue.

**[03:31:53.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002811)  
The rest of the Dole budget, that's the blue.

**[03:31:56.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002812)  
Yung Dole budget, halos di lumalaki.

**[03:31:58.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002813)  
Lumalaki lang sa budget ng Dole,

**[03:32:00.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002814)  
yung Tupad.

**[03:32:03.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002815)  
Kaya nga sa briefing, sabi ko,

**[03:32:04.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002816)  
ano ba ang Dole? Ayuda agency na ba ito?

**[03:32:07.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002817)  
Rather than an agency, supposedly,

**[03:32:10.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002818)  
for protecting workers' rights?

**[03:32:13.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002819)  
Okay.

**[03:32:14.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002820)  
And then, MAIF.

**[03:32:16.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002821)  
Okay. The MAIF story is

**[03:32:19.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002822)  
it's the same, no?

**[03:32:22.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002823)  
In 2016,

**[03:32:23.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002824)  
1.4 billion pesos ang tama ba?

**[03:32:29.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002825)  
Ang MAIF.

**[03:32:30.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002826)  
Pero, 2026, it was 51 billion.

**[03:32:34.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002827)  
So, from 1 billion to 51 billion in one decade.

**[03:32:41.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002828)  
So, again, how many times increase yan?

**[03:32:43.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002829)  
Times 40 plus, roughly.

**[03:32:46.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002830)  
I don't know.

**[03:32:47.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002831)  
Okay.

**[03:32:49.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002832)  
So, ano ang point?

**[03:32:51.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002833)  
So, ang pinakita,

**[03:32:54.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002834)  
nabaon tayo sa utang,

**[03:32:56.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002835)  
malaki ang binabayaran.

**[03:32:59.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002836)  
Yung utang na yun,

**[03:32:59.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002837)  
ginamit for deficit spending.

**[03:33:02.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002838)  
Diba?

**[03:33:03.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002839)  
So, yung hindi kinikita through taxes,

**[03:33:07.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002840)  
utangin natin.

**[03:33:08.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002841)  
San ginamit yung deficit spending na yun?

**[03:33:11.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002842)  
Malaking bahagi,

**[03:33:12.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002843)  
ginamit para sa pork barrel.

**[03:33:15.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002844)  
Dalawang klase.

**[03:33:16.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002845)  
Infrastructure.

**[03:33:19.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002846)  
Flood control.

**[03:33:21.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002847)  
Hindi ko na nga sinama yung iba pang infrastructure.

**[03:33:23.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002848)  
Nandyan din yan.

**[03:33:24.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002849)  
Flood control,

**[03:33:26.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002850)  
as well as patronage-based ayuda.

**[03:33:31.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002851)  
Okay?

**[03:33:31.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002852)  
So, yun po sinasabi natin.

**[03:33:34.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002853)  
Okay.

**[03:33:35.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002854)  
Tama po ba?

**[03:33:36.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002855)  
Is my analysis correct?

**[03:33:38.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002856)  
Madam, Mr. Speaker, and Madam Sponsor?

**[03:33:42.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002857)  
Mr. Speaker, if we may segment

**[03:33:44.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002858)  
Okay.

**[03:33:45.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002859)  
All right.

**[03:33:46.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002860)  
The different topics

**[03:33:49.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002861)  
that were put forth,

**[03:33:50.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002862)  
yung doon po sa nabanggit,

**[03:33:53.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002863)  
siguro po kasi ang dami po na noona,

**[03:33:55.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002864)  
present po muna yung deficit

**[03:33:58.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002865)  
as a percentage of the budget,

**[03:34:00.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002866)  
and then pangalawa po,

**[03:34:02.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002867)  
in-associate po doon po sa flood control

**[03:34:05.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002868)  
budgets per year,

**[03:34:07.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002869)  
tapos ito po, yung mga social services.

**[03:34:09.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002870)  
So, siguro po,

**[03:34:11.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002871)  
yung sa flood control po,

**[03:34:14.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002872)  
at saka sa borrowing,

**[03:34:17.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002873)  
siguro po, we would like to highlight po,

**[03:34:19.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002874)  
that most of the borrowings,

**[03:34:22.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002875)  
tinanong po kanina ng ating distinguished colleague,

**[03:34:26.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002876)  
where the deficit went.

**[03:34:28.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002877)  
Essentially, what was funded using the deficit?

**[03:34:31.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002878)  
Actually po, majority of the deficit

**[03:34:34.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002879)  
went into funding different ODA,

**[03:34:38.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002880)  
big-ticket ODA items.

**[03:34:40.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002881)  
For example po, the North-South Commuter Railway

**[03:34:43.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002882)  
started in 2015 as an ODA project,

**[03:34:48.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002883)  
and then the Metro Manila Subway project

**[03:34:51.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002884)  
started in 2018.

**[03:34:53.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002885)  
So, majority of the borrowings

**[03:34:55.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002886)  
went towards funding

**[03:34:57.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002887)  
the counterparts po

**[03:34:59.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002888)  
for those big-ticket items po.

**[03:35:03.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002889)  
Well, of course,

**[03:35:06.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002890)  
pwedeng sabihin yun,

**[03:35:09.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002891)  
pero in the end, pwede rin sabihin,

**[03:35:11.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002892)  
eh yung pera na yan, fungible.

**[03:35:13.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002893)  
Diba? They're all in one pot.

**[03:35:15.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002894)  
Diba?

**[03:35:16.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002895)  
And yung kasamahan natin dito,

**[03:35:20.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002896)  
si Congressman [unclear], sinasabing,

**[03:35:22.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002897)  
hindi nga napopondohan yung ODA eh.

**[03:35:25.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002898)  
Nilalagay saan program?

**[03:35:28.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002899)  
Pero what I posit here is that

**[03:35:32.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002900)  
since the budget and all sources

**[03:35:36.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002901)  
are fungible, ultimately,

**[03:35:38.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002902)  
ang sinasabing natin dito,

**[03:35:40.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002903)  
one thing made possible by the deficit spending,

**[03:35:45.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002904)  
funded by debt,

**[03:35:47.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002905)  
is the massive expansion

**[03:35:49.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002906)  
in what I call pork barrel projects.

**[03:35:53.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002907)  
Both yung tinatawag nating hard, infra,

**[03:35:56.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002908)  
at saka yung soft, ayuda.

**[03:35:58.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002909)  
So, yun po ang ating pinapakita rito.

**[03:36:01.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002910)  
Ngayon, hindi lang yun.

**[03:36:03.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002911)  
I mean, next table,

**[03:36:06.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002912)  
the other thing we will show here is

**[03:36:08.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002913)  
yung a new kind of pork

**[03:36:11.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002914)  
na lumabas only

**[03:36:13.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002915)  
for 2026.

**[03:36:15.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002916)  
That is the

**[03:36:16.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002917)  
LGSF.

**[03:36:18.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002918)  
Yun yung tinatanong kanina ni Congressman Erice

**[03:36:20.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002919)  
at iba pa, no?

**[03:36:21.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002920)  
Na 2026 lang yan.

**[03:36:23.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002921)  
And that's on the right, what you see.

**[03:36:26.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002922)  
Yung pambihirang paglaki sa GAA,

**[03:36:29.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002923)  
actually Congressional Initiative,

**[03:36:31.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002924)  
if you will, you know, be strict about it,

**[03:36:34.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002925)  
yung paglaki ng yung 57.8 billion

**[03:36:38.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002926)  
na LGSF, 37 billion of which is,

**[03:36:42.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002927)  
yung FALGO,

**[03:36:44.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002928)  
Financial Assistance to Local Government Units.

**[03:36:46.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002929)  
Hindi na tayo magtatagal dyan.

**[03:36:48.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002930)  
Okay.

**[03:36:49.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002931)  
Now, and then the next table that I'll show,

**[03:36:52.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002932)  
pasensya na po, data overload siguro,

**[03:36:54.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002933)  
pero wala.

**[03:36:56.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002934)  
We're talking about 10 years of appropriations, no?

**[03:37:00.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002935)  
Go to the next table.

**[03:37:02.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002936)  
Next table pa.

**[03:37:04.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002937)  
That's unprogrammed appropriations.

**[03:37:06.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002938)  
So, unprogrammed appropriations

**[03:37:09.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002939)  
from 2016 to 20...

**[03:37:11.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002940)  
2027.

**[03:37:13.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002941)  
Okay, proposed.

**[03:37:14.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002942)  
Wala, yan. Okay.

**[03:37:16.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002943)  
Well, what is remarkable here?

**[03:37:18.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002944)  
You know, pag binisualize mo, makikita mo.

**[03:37:20.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002945)  
Actually, you will see that una muna,

**[03:37:25.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002946)  
from 2016 to 2021,

**[03:37:29.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002947)  
even during the peak of the pandemic,

**[03:37:32.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002948)  
kung ano yung pinroposed ng NEP na unprogrammed,

**[03:37:35.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002949)  
yun din yung aprobahan ng Kongreso.

**[03:37:38.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002950)  
And generally, at a lower level.

**[03:37:41.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002951)  
No?

**[03:37:42.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002952)  
2016, 67.5 billion yung UA.

**[03:37:46.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002953)  
And then 2021, kasagsagan ng pandemia,

**[03:37:51.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002954)  
unprogrammed is 176 billion.

**[03:37:56.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002955)  
Kung anong pinroposed ng NEP, yun din ang in-approve ng Kongreso.

**[03:37:59.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002956)  
Pero, starting in 2022, the last year,

**[03:38:03.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002957)  
the last budget of the Duterte administration,

**[03:38:06.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002958)  
ito yung unang kagat sa mansanas.

**[03:38:09.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002959)  
Ika nga. No?

**[03:38:10.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002960)  
Biglang natuklasan ng Kongreso.

**[03:38:12.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002961)  
Teka muna.

**[03:38:13.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002962)  
Pwede pala nating lakihan tong unprogrammed appropriations.

**[03:38:17.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002963)  
So, 2022, the proposed is 151B.

**[03:38:22.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002964)  
But GAA, 251B.

**[03:38:26.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002965)  
So, lumaki by 100B.

**[03:38:29.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002966)  
And then, really, pagupo ng Marcos Jr. administration, tinodo na.

**[03:38:36.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002967)  
No?

**[03:38:37.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002968)  
Yung pag-abuso sa unprogrammed appropriations.

**[03:38:39.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002969)  
2023, unbelievable, 807 billion ang unprogrammed appropriations.

**[03:38:49.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002970)  
Tapos 2024, 731 billion.

**[03:38:54.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002971)  
And then 2025, bumaba sa 336.

**[03:38:59.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002972)  
Tapos dahil naging constitutional issue na ito, and so on and so forth,

**[03:39:04.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002973)  
ayan, papaliit ngayon ang unprogrammed.

**[03:39:07.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002974)  
Ang iba nga. Sinasabi.

**[03:39:08.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002975)  
Dapat tanggalin na outright.

**[03:39:10.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002976)  
Okay.

**[03:39:11.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002977)  
But this is the story of unprogrammed appropriations.

**[03:39:14.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002978)  
No?

**[03:39:15.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002979)  
Now, why is this relevant?

**[03:39:18.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002980)  
No?

**[03:39:19.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002981)  
Ano ba ang nangyari?

**[03:39:20.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002982)  
Well, alam natin na yung modus ng unprogrammed appropriations, bakit lumaki ng ganyan?

**[03:39:27.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002983)  
Because regular items of the budget were being forced into unprogrammed appropriations

**[03:39:35.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002984)  
to create space for...

**[03:39:38.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002985)  
Congressional insertions.

**[03:39:39.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002986)  
Yung mga dagdag na ayuda, dagdag na flood control, at iba pa.

**[03:39:45.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002987)  
No?

**[03:39:46.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002988)  
Tama po ba?

**[03:39:48.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002989)  
Are my facts correct?

**[03:39:51.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002990)  
Madam sponsor, tama po ba yan?

**[03:39:56.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002991)  
Mr. Speaker, siguro po ang aking pong nais-isagot sa ating kasamahan.

**[03:40:04.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002993)  
Yung 2026 po.

**[03:40:05.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002994)  
Siguro doon po kasi ako nagsimula man nung...

**[03:40:07.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002996)  
Nagsimula man nung kulan bilang chairperson ng Committee on Appropriations.

**[03:40:12.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002999)  
Yun po yung maaari ko pong maipaliwanag.

**[03:40:14.790] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003001)  
Because that is within my purview na po.

**[03:40:17.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003002)  
So ang ginawa po talaga natin noong 2026, sinagurado po natin, nalinagyan po natin ng

**[03:40:22.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003003)  
karampatang safeguards yung mga unprogrammed appropriations po.

**[03:40:26.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003004)  
Makikita po sa version po ng house na inaproobahan po natin ng GAB, tinanggal nga po natin

**[03:40:33.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003005)  
yung infrastructure mula doon sa sagip.

**[03:40:35.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003006)  
So hindi na po natin pinayagan na magkaroon po ng kahit ano na releases patungo sa infrastructure

**[03:40:43.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003007)  
galing po sa unprogrammed appropriations.

**[03:40:45.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003008)  
Kaya makikita din po natin yung ating ginawang pag-rationalize ng mga allowable items under

**[03:40:52.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003009)  
unprogrammed appropriations during the HGAB as well as yung veto po na isinagawa na ating

**[03:40:58.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003010)  
Pangulo sa 2026 GAA nung unprogrammed appropriations.

**[03:41:03.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003011)  
Nakita po natin ang laki po ng binaba.

**[03:41:04.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003012)  
At ngayon po ang 2027, kung titignan po natin, ito po yung pinakamababa.

**[03:41:11.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003013)  
In nominal terms po, yung unprogrammed appropriations for the year 2027 as proposed in the NEP

**[03:41:19.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003014)  
is the lowest since 1991 as a percentage of the budget.

**[03:41:25.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003015)  
Kung nominal terms naman po yung ating titignan, siguro po pagbabasihan po natin dito, at least 2019 po,

**[03:41:32.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003016)  
yun po yung pinakamababa in nominal terms.

**[03:41:35.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003017)  
So, rest assured po, in the 2027 budget, sisiguraduhin po natin na kung ano man yung mga papayagan natin,

**[03:41:44.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003018)  
yung mga allowable uses under the unprogrammed appropriations na ating po aaprobahan sa House version ng General Appropriations Bill,

**[03:41:53.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003019)  
sisiguraduhin po talaga natin na may safeguards yun at talagang doon lang pupunta sa pinakakinakailangan.

**[03:42:00.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003020)  
Halimbawa po yung mga foreign assisted projects, risk management, yung mga obligasyon po natin na kinakailangan-kailangan po talaga ng standby funds.

**[03:42:10.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003021)  
Okay, thank you Madam Chair. So, ang point ko dito sa overview, baliktanaw sa 10 years ng pagbabudget,

**[03:42:18.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003022)  
una, na markado talaga ang paglaki ng utang starting during the pandemic.

**[03:42:25.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003023)  
Naintindihan pa natin siguro, kailangan talagang umutang.

**[03:42:28.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003024)  
Pero nagtuloy-tuloy ito. Ngayon lumaki na rin yung deficit spending sa panahon yun.

**[03:42:37.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003025)  
So, ang tanong ngayon, saan ginamit yung utang? Napakinabangan ba ng taong bayan?

**[03:42:45.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003026)  
Pinakita natin, well, malaking bahagi ng inutang ginamit para mapalaki yung DPWH budget.

**[03:42:56.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003027)  
Particularly flood control. Flood control lang pinakita natin dito. Hindi natin sinama yung mga iba pa, mga road, bridges, etc.

**[03:43:04.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003028)  
But it follows the same trend. So, saan ginamit ang utang? Ginamit ang utang para sa flood control.

**[03:43:13.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003029)  
Ginamit din ang utang para palakihin astronomically ang ayuda.

**[03:43:21.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003030)  
So, yung TUPAD, yung AICS.

**[03:43:26.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003031)  
So, anong naging pakinabang ng sambayan ng Pilipino?

**[03:43:34.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003032)  
At ano ang naging pakinabang sa ekonomiya, sa pambansa, sa pag-unlad?

**[03:43:39.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003033)  
Ito na po ang point natin. Dahil sa ganito, ang nangyari, alam natin nangyari sa flood control.

**[03:43:47.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003034)  
Ang nangyari sa flood control, ang laki ng binuhos, lumalala pa ang baha.

**[03:43:53.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003035)  
Samantala, ang daming, ayan na, naging bahagi na ng araw-araw na pananalita ng mga kababayan natin, yung maleta.

**[03:44:04.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003036)  
Ayan na, ang daming nakatanggap daw ng maleta. That's because of the flood control corruption scandal, plunder.

**[03:44:13.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003037)  
So, a significant portion of the flood control money, according to whistleblowers,

**[03:44:22.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003038)  
like Bernardo, Yusec Bernardo, former Secretary Bonoan, napunta raw sa kickback.

**[03:44:28.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003039)  
Diba? As high as 30 to 50 percent of that money.

**[03:44:33.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003040)  
Okay. So, doon napunta sa corruption. Hindi sa aktual na proyektong pinakinabangan ng taong bayan.

**[03:44:39.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003041)  
Ganun din po. Paano naman yung ayuda?

**[03:44:42.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003042)  
Sabi ko nga, TUPAD. Sorry, AICS.

**[03:44:47.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003043)  
9,000 percent growth in AICS.

**[03:44:51.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003044)  
Growth in AICS over a decade. Okay. Sabihin, well, natulungan naman ang kababayan natin ng AICS. And it's true.

**[03:45:00.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003045)  
Diba? For the most part, talaga namang nakakatulong sa taong bag. Ganun din naman yung MyFIP. Diba? It's a medical assistance. Sure. Okay. Pero ang sinasabi nga, ito yung patronage-based. Kailangan dumaan ka kay congressman, kailangan dumaan ka kay senator o kung sino paman. Okay.

**[03:45:22.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003046)  
The other question is, so napunta, in other words, saan napunta ang napakalaking inutang?

**[03:45:28.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003047)  
Ang pinupunta po natin dito ay napunta sa pork barrel, flood control, at sa patronage.

**[03:45:37.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003048)  
Social services as patronage. Okay.

**[03:45:41.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003049)  
Saan hindi napunta?

**[03:45:43.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003050)  
Hindi napunta, I mean, napakalaking ng inutang natin.

**[03:45:48.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003051)  
Pwede rin naman sana inilagay ito.

**[03:45:51.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003052)  
Sa pagpapalakas ng agrikultura, pagpapalakas ng manupaktura.

**[03:45:58.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003053)  
Nakikita ko si Dep Dev Sek Balisakan.

**[03:46:03.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003054)  
Sinasabi niya, ang problema raw ng ekonomiya natin, largely consumption-driven.

**[03:46:09.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003055)  
Well, pagka puro ayuda ang binibigay mo, ayun, consumption-driven.

**[03:46:14.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003056)  
Hindi ka lumili ka ng bago at pangmatagalang trabaho.

**[03:46:20.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003057)  
So, Madam, Mr. Chair, Madam Speaker, marami pa po tayo. Parang part one pa lang po tayo.

**[03:46:31.880] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-003058)  
The Chair would like to remind Honorable Tinio that your time has expired.

**[03:46:36.840] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-003059)  
Okay. So, the Honorable Suansing will respond.

**[03:46:41.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003060)  
Yes.

**[03:46:42.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003061)  
No. Mr. Speaker, that was just my first point, no, that nabaon po tayo sa utang.

**[03:46:50.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003062)  
Okay. Especially under the Marcos Jr. Administration, where did that debt go?

**[03:46:56.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003063)  
No, it went to fund pork barrel, yung flood control, at saka yung pagpapalaki ng ayuda.

**[03:47:07.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003064)  
No. So, dependence instead of economic independence.

**[03:47:14.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003065)  
Mr. Speaker, marami pa po tayong tanong. I suppose I can continue this.

**[03:47:20.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003066)  
During the interpellation of DEVDEV and then DBM, since magkakaugnay naman po yung mga tanong natin.

**[03:47:28.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003067)  
So, hanggang dyan na lang po. Marami kalamat.

**[03:47:30.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-003068)  
Thank you. Majority Leader.

**[03:47:31.580] Floor Leader** (asr-003069)  
Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize Honorable Sarah Jane Elago of Gabriela Party-list to interpellate the provisions and principles.

**[03:47:39.360] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-003070)  
The Honorable Sarah Jane Elago of Gabriela Women's Party is recognized. Please proceed.

**[03:48:05.070] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003071)  
Magandang araw sa lahat.

**[03:48:09.030] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003072)  
Ginoong Speaker, isang linggo na lang bago ang unang anibersaryo ng Baha sa Luneta at Trillion Peso March noong September 21, 2025.

**[03:48:20.540] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003073)  
Kung kailan, libo-libong mga kababayan natin ang kumilos, nagmarcha at nagprotesta laban sa mga pagbaha, laban sa korupsyon at laban sa kawalan ng pananagutan.

**[03:48:33.060] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003074)  
Ang isa sa mga bunga ng pagigigit ng mamamayan, ang pagsasama ng Section 19 ng Prohibition on Political Involvement in the Distribution of Cash and Other Forms of Financial Assistance sa 2026.

**[03:48:50.540] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003075)  
na ngayon ay nasa Section 20 na ng ating 2027 General Appropriations Bill.

**[03:48:58.180] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003076)  
Ang katanungan ko sa ating sponsor, at nagmula na rin sa naunang interpellation ni Representative Tinio, kung saan naipakita sa atin na bilyon-bilyon pa rin yung nakalaan para sa ayuda at malaki yung panawagan ng ating mga kababayan na

**[03:49:20.540] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003078)  
matugunan yung mga issue na may kinalaman sa pork, may kinalaman sa patronage, may kinalaman sa korupsyon.

**[03:49:30.100] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003079)  
Kaya lahat ba ng national government agencies na responsable sa pamimigay ng cash assistance

**[03:49:38.560] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003080)  
at iba pang financial aid ay nakapagbuo at nakapagpatupad ng kanilang mga requirements, protocols, at reporting mechanisms?

**[03:49:50.540] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003081)  
Para matiyak ang strict compliance sa Section 19 ng 2026 GAA.

**[03:50:09.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003082)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleagues, so for these po, if you would look at Section 19,

**[03:50:15.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003083)  
I would use specific examples po to respond to the query of our Distinguished Colleagues.

**[03:50:20.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003084)  
Halimbawa po, for AICS, under DSWD, bumuo po ng sarili nilang internal guidelines yung iba't-ibang mga ahensya.

**[03:50:28.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003085)  
I believe it's the same po. Nakita ko rin po yun, may guidelines yung MAEFIP, may guidelines po yung TAPAD.

**[03:50:34.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003086)  
So nagsagawa po sila ng kanilang kanya-kanyang internal guidelines po.

**[03:50:39.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003087)  
At pagdating po sa monitoring, sila din po sa loob na ahensya, yung nagsisigurado na may strict enforcement po

**[03:50:48.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003088)  
ng kanilang mga internal guidelines.

**[03:50:50.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003089)  
So ito ang maaaring maarating kaakibat po noong Section 19.

**[03:50:53.680] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003090)  
Mr. Speaker, para masigurado, maari ba nating malaman kung ano ang bilang ng Department Order,

**[03:51:00.720] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003091)  
Memorandum Circular ba yan, or Administrative Order, na magtitiyak ng maayos na paggamit sa mga programa na ito?

**[03:51:16.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003092)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[03:51:19.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003093)  
ang pwede po naming gawin ay kukuha po kami ng kopya nung

**[03:51:22.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003094)  
iba't ibang department order or memorandum circular ng iba't ibang ahensya na apektado po nitong Section 19, at maaari po naming ibigay sa ating kasamahan.

**[03:51:34.900] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003095)  
Mr. Speaker, sa isang madaling paghahanap, halimbawa sa Department of Social Welfare and Development para sa kanilang Protective Services for Individuals and Families in Difficult Circumstances, nakasama rito yung AICS.

**[03:51:50.620] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003096)  
Ang pinakahuling nilabas nilang memorandum circular tungkol sa guidelines sa implementation ng programa na ito ay noong 2022 pa sa kanilang memorandum circular No. 15, Series of 2022.

**[03:52:04.900] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003097)  
Gayon din sa halimbawa sa Department of Labor and Employment sa kanilang programa sa tupad.

**[03:52:15.220] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003098)  
Ang pinakahuli na nilabas ay noong 2023 pa sa Department Order No. 239.

**[03:52:26.100] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003099)  
Pagdating naman sa Department of Health para sa kanilang medical assistance para sa indigent patients,

**[03:52:34.900] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003100)  
ang pinakahuli po na lumabas ay meron ng Administrative Order No. 2026-0031.

**[03:52:46.220] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003101)  
Ngunit kung titignan nyo yung body ng mismong nilabas na guidelines na ito, wala hong pagkakabanggit ng Section 19 na magtitiyak ng prohibisyon ng political involvement sa distribution.

**[03:53:03.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003102)  
ng cash assistance at financial aid.

**[03:53:08.230] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003104)  
Ano hong masasabi dito ng ating sponsor?

**[03:53:10.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003105)  
Opo, kinukuha lang po namin yung mismong kopya po.

**[03:53:16.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003106)  
Pero halimbawa po, yung doon po sa DSWD, siguradong sigurado po ako na merong pagbanggit, kung hindi man po nila nabanggit yung Section 19 specifically, yung wording po ay nakaayon doon po sa nakalagay sa Section 19.

**[03:53:34.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003107)  
Kukunin lang po namin sa DSWD.

**[03:53:36.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003108)  
Yun po talaga, linalagay talaga yung exact wording po na yung hindi po pwedeng maging present or walang kahit anong paraphernalia na pwedeng ilagay sa kahit anuman sa mga cash assistance releases ng DSWD.

**[03:53:56.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003109)  
So sure po ako doon, may bago pong guideline yung DSWD na re-release lang po pagkatapos ng 2026 GA.

**[03:54:04.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003110)  
Sigurado din po ako sa MAIFIP. Yun po naka-explicitly stated po doon yung nabawal na po yung guarantee letter.

**[03:54:15.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003111)  
Ganon po ka-explicit yung nakalagay doon po sa MAIFIP.

**[03:54:18.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003112)  
So kinukuha ko lang po, pero ang pagkakaalam po natin ay lahat po ng mga ahensya na nabanggit po dito, masisigurado ko po yung DSWD at saka yung AX at saka MAIFIP kasi yun po yung nakita ko po yung kopya.

**[03:54:34.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003113)  
Na meron po, nabanggit po yung ating intention doon po sa Section 19.

**[03:54:42.220] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003114)  
Mr. Speaker, napakahirap pong maging sigurado kung walang ispesipikong numero.

**[03:54:47.180] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003115)  
Kaya hintayin po natin yung kopya ng mga guidelines na yan dahil hindi natin gusto na parang token lang yung pagsasama ng seksyon na ito na magagamit sana natin para labanan.

**[03:55:03.180] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003116)  
labanan yung paggamit sa pamumulitika o sa patronahe ng ganitong tipo ng mga serbisyo at mga programa.

**[03:55:12.120] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003142)  
Ngayon naman, nakasaad din, Ginoong Speaker, sa Section 19 ang obligasyon ng Joint Congressional Oversight Committee on Public Expenditures.

**[03:55:23.400] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003143)  
Para bantayan, subaybayan ang compliance ng mga national government agencies pagdating sa programa na ito.

**[03:55:34.320] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003144)  
at yung compliance mismo ng NGAs.

**[03:55:38.460] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003145)  
Maaari ba nating malaman, nakapagpulong ba ang Joint Congressional Oversight Committee na ito?

**[03:55:45.580] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003146)  
At ano sa ngayon, yung inyong mga findings?

**[03:55:51.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003147)  
Mr. Speaker, sa totoo po, ito pong Joint Congressional Oversight Committee on Public Expenditures

**[03:55:57.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003148)  
hindi pa po na-co-convene para po sa 20th Congress.

**[03:56:03.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003149)  
Ang dahilan po ay dahil nagkaroon po ng pagkakataon na nauna po kasing kino-convene yung InfraCom.

**[03:56:10.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003150)  
So medyo nagsabay-sabay po kasi yung mga oversight committees na pareho po yung intention na kanila pong babantayan.

**[03:56:21.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003151)  
So ang assurance po na maibibigay po natin sa ating distinguished colleague

**[03:56:26.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003152)  
ay i-convene po natin soon yung Joint Congressional Oversight Committee.

**[03:56:33.060] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003153)  
Mr. Speaker, kailan ho balak ng Joint Congressional Oversight Committee na makapagpulong para dito?

**[03:56:46.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003154)  
Sa kasalukuyan po kasi, nagsabay po yung budget deliberations ng Kamara at ng Senado.

**[03:56:54.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003155)  
Medyo inaayos lang po namin ng ating counterpart sa Senado, si Sen. J.V. Ejercito po,

**[03:57:02.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003156)  
yung chairman po ng Committee on Finance.

**[03:57:05.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003157)  
Pero kapag naayos po namin ito, ipabalitaan ko po kayo kaagad kung kailan po i-convene.

**[03:57:11.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003158)  
Medyo nabibusy lang po sa schedule ng budget hearings sa parehong kapulungan.

**[03:57:19.380] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003159)  
Naintindihan natin, Mr. Speaker, pero sa kabila nito, nakakadismaya pa rin po na nilalagay natin ang mga mahalagang seksyon na ito.

**[03:57:29.520] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003160)  
Ngunit hindi po natin nakikita.

**[03:57:32.140] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003161)  
O ay nagiging strikto na tayo din ay nagiging seryoso sa pagpapatupad ng mga seksyon na makakatulong sa atin,

**[03:57:40.340] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003162)  
natiyakin na ang bawat piso napupunta talaga sa serbisyo para sa tao.

**[03:57:45.240] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003163)  
Kaya ho, abangan natin yung mga guidelines.

**[03:57:49.520] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003164)  
At sana ho, kung meron ng initial na assessment, monitoring, ang DSWD, ang DOLE, gayon din ang DOH,

**[03:57:58.400] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003165)  
sa pagtitiyak nito, ay pag-aaralan din.

**[03:58:02.140] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003166)  
O, ng representasyon na ito.

**[03:58:04.100] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003167)  
Napakahalaga nito, ginoong speaker, dahil, halimbawa na lang po, gano'n ba kalaki yung pinag-uusapan natin na pondo?

**[03:58:12.600] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003168)  
Sa, yung pondo sa AECS, na nasa 63.9 billion para sa 2026.

**[03:58:20.160] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003169)  
Yan ho ay lagpa sa doble ng buong pondo ng Department of Science and Technology.

**[03:58:26.920] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003170)  
At yan din ho ay bilyong-bilyong pondo.

**[03:58:32.120] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003173)  
At sana ay nailalaan din natin.

**[03:58:33.900] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003174)  
Sa ibang mga proyekto, halimbawa, yung tulong para sa mga children with disability,

**[03:58:39.880] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003175)  
yung tulong para sa mga nagiging biktima ng online sexual abuse and exploitation of children,

**[03:58:46.000] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003176)  
yung tulong para sa mga adolescent parents and mothers,

**[03:58:51.820] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003177)  
ang lakiho na pangangailangan sa mga projects na yan.

**[03:58:55.060] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003178)  
Ngunit nakita natin na hindi nabibigyan ng sapat na pondo.

**[03:59:00.060] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003179)  
Ngayon.

**[03:59:02.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003179-split-2)  
Yes.

**[03:59:02.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003180)  
Opo.

**[03:59:03.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003181)  
Kung maaari po akong tumugon, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

**[03:59:07.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003182)  
ito pong mga nabanggit po ni Representative Elago,

**[03:59:12.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003183)  
isa din po yan sa ating mga tinututukan ng mga programa.

**[03:59:16.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003184)  
Kung matatandaan po natin sa Barisipo para sa GAA ng taong 2026,

**[03:59:22.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003185)  
dinagdagan po natin yan.

**[03:59:23.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003186)  
Nagdagdag po tayo sa Protect Teen under DSWD to protect,

**[03:59:30.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003187)  
Adolescent Mothers.

**[03:59:31.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003188)  
Nagbigay din po tayo ng pondo sa ilalim ng OSIIC

**[03:59:36.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003189)  
para po sa protection ng youth at yung mga kabataan po against abuses.

**[03:59:41.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003190)  
So, rest assured naman po,

**[03:59:44.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003191)  
we are making sure po that these programs also get the funding that they need po.

**[03:59:53.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003192)  
Hindi naman po dahil nagkakalon po ng pondo,

**[03:59:56.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003193)  
itong mga social services natin ay nakakaligtaan na po natin yung ibang mga programs.

**[04:00:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003194)  
na mahahalaga din. So I'm with you po on that in making sure that we are able to fund these programs as well.

**[04:00:08.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003195)  
Yung dun po sa monitoring, siguro po pagdating po ng iba't-ibang mga ahensya, maaari din po nating talakayin sa kanila yan.

**[04:00:16.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003196)  
Pag na-isa lang po natin yung DSWD, yung DOLE, yung DOH dito po sa plenaryo.

**[04:00:23.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003197)  
So commitment ko po, maaari po na tutulungan ko po ang ating kasamahan na matanong din po yung mga ahensya patungkol po dun sa monitoring nila ng implementasyon ng Section 19.

**[04:00:35.660] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003198)  
Mr. Speaker, para ko sa kaalaman ng ating distinguished sponsor, na alam ko po ay talagang may pagtutok tulad ng kanyang nasabi sa mahalagang programa na ito

**[04:00:47.340] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003199)  
para sa 2027 na General Appropriations Bill, zero ang budget ng ESP.

**[04:00:53.720] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003200)  
Enhanced Protecting, zero ang budget ng Project SAFE, zero ang budget para sa Project Aruga.

**[04:01:02.520] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003201)  
Yan po yung para sa children with disability.

**[04:01:06.320] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003202)  
At nangangailangan at nananawagan sila na yung 25 million pesos na naibigay at nailagak para sa kanilang mga proyekto noong 2026 ay magpatuloy para sa 2027 at kung pwede pa nga ay mataas.

**[04:01:23.720] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003203)  
Dahil gayon din kalaki yung pangangailangan sa mga proyekto na ito.

**[04:01:29.100] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003204)  
Ngayon naman, aginoong speaker, hayaan nyo naman po ako magtanong tungkol sa pagpapaliwanag ng ating distinguished sponsor tungkol sa House Bill No. 10858 na naglalaman ng ating 2027 General Appropriations Bill.

**[04:01:47.920] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003205)  
Kung babasahin po natin ang ating mga...

**[04:01:53.720] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003206)  
dahilan, ang paliwanag para sa ating mga budget priorities at direksyon para sa susunod na taon,

**[04:02:03.120] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003207)  
napaka-optimistic po ng ating mga nakikita para sa susunod na taon ng ating macroeconomic assumptions.

**[04:02:15.540] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003208)  
Halimbawa, para sa fiscal year 2027, ang ating projection para sa inflation rate ay nasa

**[04:02:23.720] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003209)  
4% to 5% lamang.

**[04:02:26.860] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003210)  
Pagdating naman sa foreign exchange rate, nasa 60 pesos to 60 pesos lamang.

**[04:02:34.000] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003211)  
At sa parehong halaga, aginoong speaker, ngayon hong September 2026, ay pareho na tayong lumagpas sa mga projection na ito para sa susunod na taon.

**[04:02:47.600] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003212)  
Kaya hong katanungan ko ay ano yung mga hakbang?

**[04:02:52.260] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003213)  
Para matiyak yung pagkamit.

**[04:02:55.460] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003214)  
Halimbawa, yung mga projection na ito.

**[04:02:58.920] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003215)  
At paano natin magagawa rin na mapaunlad yung trabaho, yung kabuhayan, yung kalagayan ng ating mga kababayan?

**[04:03:10.360] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003216)  
Lalo lalo na sa panahon ngayon na bagsak na bagsak ang piso, pataas ang presyo ng mga biligin, pataas ang presyo ng pagkain.

**[04:03:20.400] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003217)  
At ito, ito, ito.

**[04:03:22.260] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003218)  
Lumagpas na naman sa isang daang piso, tada litro, ang presyo ng gasolina.

**[04:03:29.080] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003219)  
Ayan po yung mga issue na lubos na nakapagpahirap sa ating mga kababayan.

**[04:03:39.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003220)  
Mr. Speaker, this is my colleague.

**[04:03:40.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003221)  
So pagdating po doon sa mga macroeconomic assumptions na nabanggit po, halimbawa po inflation rate, foreign exchange rate, unemployment rate,

**[04:03:51.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003222)  
GDP growth, lahat po ng mga economic assumptions po, ina-update po siya ng DBCC every three months.

**[04:04:04.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003223)  
So quarterly po yung pag-update noong mga macroeconomic assumptions and targets, base po sa mga nangyayadi.

**[04:04:13.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003224)  
Halimbawa po kung may pagkakaiba po, halimbawa sa ini-impose na US tariffs, kailangan po i-update yun because that affects the global trade.

**[04:04:21.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003225)  
Or halimbawa po yung geopolitical conflict po sa Middle East, ina-update din po yun.

**[04:04:27.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003226)  
So yun po yung dahilan kung bakit paminsan nagmumukha po na medyo optimistic siya masyado as compared to the current realities kasi i-update pa lang po siya.

**[04:04:41.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003227)  
In terms po of papaano po natin i-bridge yung gap sa pagitan po noong targets at saka yung actual po na nangyayadi.

**[04:04:51.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003228)  
Ang ginawa po sa pag-develop po noong budget, sinigurado po na maganda po yung kalidad noong mga spending priorities.

**[04:05:03.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003229)  
Ibig sabihin po, nag-focus po doon sa mga programa na may mataas na economic multipliers o di kaya mag-generate po ng mas magandang mga trabaho

**[04:05:14.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003230)  
or mag-accelerate po ng government expenditures.

**[04:05:21.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003231)  
And the like.

**[04:05:22.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003232)  
So ganun po yung ginagawa po ng DBCC family.

**[04:05:28.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003233)  
Ina-update po yung macroeconomic assumptions natin every three months.

**[04:05:32.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003234)  
And at the same time po, sinisigurado po na yung mga pinapasok po ng mga activities and projects and programs sa budget ay talagang makakatulong po na mas mapabilis po yung paglago ng ating ekonomiya

**[04:05:46.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003235)  
at makakatugon po doon sa pinakailangan ng ating mga kababayan.

**[04:05:51.240] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003236)  
Nabanggit Mr. Speaker ng ating Distinguished Sponsor yung tungkol sa pandaigdiga na crisis.

**[04:05:58.820] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003237)  
Ngunit ang napakahalaga din na silipin natin paano naman yung krisis sa lokal na ekonomiya sa ating bayan.

**[04:06:08.140] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003238)  
Kumusta ba ang ating agrikultura? Kumusta ba ang ating manupaktura?

**[04:06:12.640] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003239)  
At nakita po natin na ang agriculture at manufacturing, parehong bagsak na bagsak dito sa ating bansa.

**[04:06:19.940] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003240)  
At makikita natin na halos walang nagbago mula 2026 sa kung paano natin tinitignan yung mga programa.

**[04:06:26.920] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003241)  
Halimbawa, pagdating sa micro-small-medium enterprise development program na nasa 900 million.

**[04:06:34.120] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003242)  
Nandiyan din yung industry development program na nasa 900 million noong 2026.

**[04:06:39.380] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003243)  
At may konting pagtaas, may konting pagbaba para sa 2027.

**[04:06:43.440] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003244)  
Pero wala hong signifikante na pagbabago sa kung paano natin na minamalaki.

**[04:06:48.800] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003245)  
Yung pagpapaunlad ng lokal na produksyon.

**[04:06:52.340] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003246)  
Gayun din ho, pagdating sa lokal na agrikultura, ang matagal na panawagan ng mga magsasaka at mga manginisda para sa production subsidy.

**[04:07:01.860] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003247)  
Para matiyak na sa harap ng mga sunod-sunod na malalakas na bagyo, mga habagat na may dalang malakas na pagulan.

**[04:07:10.340] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003248)  
Sa extreme heat, dulot din ang super-elminyo.

**[04:07:15.400] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003249)  
Hindi lang mas mainit, kundi mga mas madalas at mas malalakas na mga bagyo.

**[04:07:18.800] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003250)  
Tulot ng banta ng super-elminyo.

**[04:07:22.040] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003251)  
Nakita ho natin na hindi po gumalaw yung mga priorities at hindi nakalapat sa pangangailangan.

**[04:07:31.160] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003252)  
Kung paano ba natin kitiyakin yung pagiging self-reliant ng ating national economy.

**[04:07:38.260] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003253)  
Na tayo ho ay matibay, nakakatindig sa sarili nating paa sa panahon na may matinding pandaigdigan na krisis.

**[04:07:48.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003254)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague.

**[04:07:52.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003255)  
So pagdating po sa agrikultura, kung titignan po natin, nandiyan pa rin po yung Rice Competitiveness Enhancement Fund.

**[04:08:01.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003256)  
May 30 billion pesos pa rin po doon para po makatulong sa makinarya, binhi, training at pautang para po sa ating mga magsasaka.

**[04:08:11.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003257)  
We recognize the point of our distinguished colleague na kung titignan po natin,

**[04:08:16.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003258)  
NEP to NEP or GAAT to NEP yung pondo po ng agricultural sector bumaba.

**[04:08:29.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003259)  
From GAAT to NEP po bumaba.

**[04:08:32.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003260)  
Kasi po nung BARC po na isinagawa natin dito sa Kamara noong nakaraang taon, malaki po kasi yung mga naidagdag natin para po sa agrikultura.

**[04:08:43.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003261)  
Nakapaglagay po tayo para sa Presidential Assistance.

**[04:08:46.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003262)  
Farmers and Fisher Folk, nakapaglagay po tayo para sa Farm to Market Road, mga deep water ports, mga irrigation, solar irrigation pumps and the like.

**[04:08:56.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003263)  
So sa atin pong parte, sa parte po ng Committee on Appropriations at sa atin po dito sa Kamara,

**[04:09:04.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003264)  
iisa po yung ating paninindigan na gusto po talaga nating matulungan yung sektor ng agrikultura, gusto po nating matulungan ng ating mga magsasaka at manging isda.

**[04:09:14.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003265)  
So on our part po, we will endeavor.

**[04:09:16.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003266)  
In the next weeks that we are deliberating on the budget po at dinideliberate din po natin yung mga amyenda na gusto po nating maipasok na sana po magawa din natin yung nagawa natin noong nakaraang taon na madagdagan po natin yung mga pangangailangan na pondo ng ating agricultural sector.

**[04:09:36.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003267)  
Lalo na po merong banta ng El Nino na papadating.

**[04:09:41.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003268)  
So nabanggit din po yan ng DA, hingi po sana sa additional funding para sa...

**[04:09:46.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003269)  
Utilizer assistance, mga subsidies para po sa ating mga magsasaka.

**[04:09:51.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003270)  
So ang aking assurance ay sa mga dadating na linggo po, sisiguraduhin po din natin na mabibigyan natin ng prioridad yung mga pangangailangan ng agriculture sector para po mapaigting yung lokal na production at saka masecure po yung ating food security.

**[04:10:11.040] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003271)  
So seryoso tayo, ginaong speaker sa pagbibigay ng prioridad sa lokal na agrikultura at industrial.

**[04:10:16.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003272)  
So sa pagbibigay ng prioridad sa lokal na agrikultura at industrial, makakakita talaga tayo ng signifikante na pagbabago sa kung paano din nilalaanan ng kinakailangan pondo ang ating mga agencies na may kinalaman sa mga ito.

**[04:10:28.620] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003273)  
Hindi natin kailangan ngayon ng bariya-bariya lang na pagtataas o bariya-bariyang pagbabago.

**[04:10:33.640] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003274)  
Kundi mas mataas, substantial, ayon sa pangangailangan para mapalakas ang ating agrikultura at industriyang Pilipino.

**[04:10:41.940] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003275)  
Ngayon naman may kinalaman din dito, ginaong speaker, section 34 ng ating...

**[04:10:46.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003276)  
General Provisions ang tungkol sa Harmonized National Research and Development Agenda.

**[04:10:54.320] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003277)  
Maari mo bang magulat ang ating distinguished sponsor sa kung nasusunod ba talaga yung pambansa na koordinado na nagagamit natin yung bunga ng mga pananaliksik ng ating mga government research institutions

**[04:11:11.380] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003278)  
sa iba't ibang mga services, needs, programs.

**[04:11:16.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003279)  
ng iba't ibang national government agencies sa ating bansa.

**[04:11:29.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003280)  
Mr. Speaker, kasama din dito, hindi lang po ang ating mga national government agencies,

**[04:11:36.660] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003281)  
kabilang din ang local government units, ang academe, ang industry, ang communities.

**[04:11:43.240] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003282)  
Kung paano ba titiyakin na yung...

**[04:11:46.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003283)  
mga binawa, pinag-isipan, mga likha ng ating mga siyentista, ng ating mga manggagawa sa agham at teknolohiya ay lubos na napapakinabangan ng mamamayang Pilipino.

**[04:11:59.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003284)  
Yan ho ay nakalagay sa ating general provisions na mahalaga para wala hong masasayang na resources pagdating sa research and development.

**[04:12:23.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003286)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, my apologies po. The question po is how do we monitor po, di ba?

**[04:12:32.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003287)  
I'll defer po to DBM.

**[04:13:00.490] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003292)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, ito pong Section 34, yung Harmonized National Research and Development Agenda, the agency principally tasked to manage this government research and development agenda

**[04:13:16.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003293)  
One of the development agenda programs would be DOST. Sa kasalukuyin po, wala pong visibility yung DBM doon po sa actual na implementasyon nito. So kung papayagan po tayo na ating distinguished colleague, we can pose the same question to DOST when they're here for their plenary deliberations.

**[04:13:38.240] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003294)  
Mr. Speaker, nagsumite ba ng progress report ang DOST tungkol dito sa ating House Committee on Appropriations?

**[04:13:45.840] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003295)  
Nakalagay rin po kasi sa DOST.

**[04:13:46.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003296)  
Sa Section 34 na dapat sila ay dalga bibigay ng kopya ng kanilang progress report. Hindi lang po sa House Committee on Appropriations pero sa, ganyan din po sa Senado, sa iba't ibang mahalaga po na officials na may kinalaman sa pagpapatupad ng General Appropriations Act.

**[04:14:10.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003297)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, given that the Committee on Appropriations is one of the recipients,

**[04:14:16.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003298)  
supposedly, of the report, we are doing a quick check lang po. Mr. Speaker, if we could revert back to our distinguished colleague, if we could move to a different question and then give us a few minutes lang po. We're checking with our staff in the Committee on Appropriations kung nagsumite na po sila.

**[04:14:35.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003299)  
Mr. Speaker, natanong ko ito dahil ang DOST nakapag-develop ng isang local sexual assault investigation team.

**[04:14:46.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003300)  
At nabalita nila sa atin dito sa Congress na namumblema sila, na meron silang napaunlad, meron silang produkto ng ating agham at teknoloy.

**[04:15:00.000] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003301)  
na dito mismo sa ating bansa na paunlad.

**[04:15:04.440] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003302)  
Ngunit ang problema, hindi naman ito ang unang prioridad pagdating sa procurement.

**[04:15:11.440] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003303)  
Halimbawa, ng mga Women and Children Protection Unit sa ating mga ospital

**[04:15:16.620] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003304)  
para makatulong sa timely collection ng forensic evidence na may kinalaman sa sexual assault cases

**[04:15:25.640] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003305)  
at iba't iba pang kaso ng gender-based violence na makangailangan ng ganitong tipo ng kit.

**[04:15:33.220] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003306)  
Namumblema po tayo na, kumbaga yung tawag po dyan ng mga Gen Z Millennials,

**[04:15:38.820] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003307)  
parang walang GC, parang hindi nag-uusap.

**[04:15:41.740] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003308)  
Bagamat may ganitong napakahalagang seksyon, pero kanya-kanya po yung trabaho pagdating sa mga serbisyo at plataporma.

**[04:15:51.340] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003309)  
Nagtanong din po tayo sa harap halimbawa ng DICT.

**[04:15:55.640] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003310)  
Yung ginagamit ba nila ng mga software, programs, online, learning platforms na binabayaran natin ng mga subscription,

**[04:16:06.960] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003311)  
license renewal, yan ba ay gawa, na-develop ng mga Pilipino?

**[04:16:12.640] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003312)  
Kasi napakarami din po nating mga profesional, mga talento, siyentista, engineer, na eksperto sa development ng ganito.

**[04:16:22.200] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003313)  
Ngunit, paano ba natin natitiyak?

**[04:16:25.020] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003314)  
Kaya yung kanila hong mga outputs ay nagagamit mismo din ng ating pamahalaan.

**[04:16:32.500] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003315)  
Kaya ho, aabangan natin yung submission ng ating committee pagdating sa napakahalagang agenda na ito.

**[04:16:41.980] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003316)  
Ngayon naman, pagdating ho sa Section 35 na bilang panghuli sa Programs and Projects Related to Gender and Development.

**[04:16:50.660] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003317)  
Nagsumiti ho sa amin ang DBM.

**[04:16:53.300] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003318)  
Maraming salamat po.

**[04:16:55.020] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003319)  
Ang report na tungkol sa utilization ng Gender and Development Fund.

**[04:17:02.900] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003320)  
Or, hindi pala fund, kasi dapat po integrated yan sa iba't-ibang mga programs, projects, at activities ng ating NGAs.

**[04:17:11.780] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003321)  
Pero napansin ho namin na meron ding hindi nagpasa.

**[04:17:18.060] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003322)  
Nakasalukuyan ho ba na mga guidelines ng DBM?

**[04:17:23.220] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003323)  
Meron ho ba tayong...

**[04:17:25.020] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003324)  
ang ginagawa para itong mga hindi nagpapasa ng kanilang mga ulat,

**[04:17:29.340] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003325)  
kung paano nila ginagamit yung at least 5% ng kanilang funding para sa Gender and Development,

**[04:17:36.520] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003326)  
ay hindi lang ho nasasabikan, kundi napapaalalahanan at may pananagutan pagdating sa paggamit ng kanilang GAD budget.

**[04:17:52.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003327)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

**[04:17:55.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003328)  
I think po dito, in terms of the monitoring, Commission on Audit po, yung parte po ng audit reports nila,

**[04:18:02.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003329)  
yung patungkol po sa Gender and Development program.

**[04:18:06.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003330)  
So, halimbawa po po may isang ahensya po na bumaba doon po sa 5% na requirement,

**[04:18:13.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003331)  
kuwa po yung nagko-call out.

**[04:18:16.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003332)  
Parte po yun ng kanilang audit findings.

**[04:18:19.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003333)  
Maraming salamat, Ginong Speaker.

**[04:18:21.720] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003334)  
At hindi lang po ito tungkol sa pag-comply doon sa at least 5%.

**[04:18:25.020] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003335)  
Pero pagkikiyak na talagang nagamit para sa layunin na i-integrate,

**[04:18:32.200] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003336)  
tunay na i-mainstream yung Gender and Development sa lahat ng mga programa, proyekto at aktividad,

**[04:18:37.980] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003337)  
yan ho ang ating bubusisiin pa sa mga susunod na deliberasyon dito sa plenaryo.

**[04:18:42.880] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003338)  
Maraming salamat, Ginong Speaker. Maraming salamat, Distinguished Sponsor.

**[04:18:46.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003339)  
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much to our Distinguished Colleague.

**[04:18:50.540] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-003340)  
Majority Leader.

**[04:18:53.520] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-003342)  
Mr. Speaker.

**[04:18:55.020] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-003343)  
Mr. Speaker, next to interpellate the sponsor, I move to recognize the Honorable Presley C. De Jesus of PHILRECA Party-list.

**[04:19:01.860] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-003344)  
The Honorable Presley De Jesus of PHILRECA Party-list is recognized. Please proceed.

**[04:19:08.560] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003345)  
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, Distinguished Sponsor.

**[04:19:13.280] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003346)  
My question, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor,

**[04:19:17.960] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003347)  
is it correct that the government expected to borrow for fiscal year 2027

**[04:19:25.020] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003348)  
P3.3 trillion to finance the expected fiscal deficit for 2027?

**[04:19:32.320] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003349)  
Is that the amount correct? P3.3 trillion?

**[04:19:40.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003350)  
Mr. Speaker, yes, I can confirm that. Total gross borrowing for 2027 is P3.3 trillion.

**[04:19:49.220] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003351)  
So that P3.3 trillion does include the principal and interest. Is that correct?

**[04:19:55.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003352)  
That is correct, Mr. Speaker.

**[04:19:57.260] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003353)  
So for 2027, magkano po yung forecast natin na income natin?

**[04:20:05.240] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003354)  
Coming from BIR, Bureau of Customs, and I guess other income.

**[04:20:23.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003355)  
P3.3 trillion.

**[04:20:23.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003356)  
Mr. Speaker, for 2020,

**[04:20:25.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003357)  
sorry, for 2027, as indicated in the BASF po,

**[04:20:30.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003358)  
total projected revenues is at P5.2 trillion.

**[04:20:34.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003359)  
Of that po, P4.85 trillion will be tax revenues,

**[04:20:41.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003360)  
and P354 billion will be non-tax revenues po.

**[04:20:48.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003361)  
So what's this P4.8 trillion?

**[04:20:51.820] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003362)  
Ano?

**[04:20:53.660] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003363)  
Ano yung breakdown?

**[04:20:55.020] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003364)  
Can you repeat the breakdown, please?

**[04:20:59.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003365)  
For, for, ano po, out of the P5.2 trillion total projected revenues,

**[04:21:06.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003366)  
P4.85 trillion of that are projected to be tax revenues.

**[04:21:11.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003367)  
From BIR.

**[04:21:12.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003368)  
Sorry po.

**[04:21:13.580] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003369)  
From BIR.

**[04:21:14.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003370)  
Ito po yung breakdown.

**[04:21:16.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003371)  
Out of the P4.85 trillion, for BIR po, BIR is projected to generate P3.74,

**[04:21:25.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003372)  
trillion pesos.

**[04:21:26.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003373)  
The Bureau of Customs expected to generate P1.07 trillion pesos.

**[04:21:33.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003374)  
And other offices po, at P40 billion pesos.

**[04:21:37.340] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003375)  
P14 billion.

**[04:21:38.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003376)  
P40 billion.

**[04:21:40.120] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003377)  
P40 billion, that's other.

**[04:21:42.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003378)  
Other offices po.

**[04:21:43.440] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003379)  
So do you know what's the breakdown of the other income?

**[04:21:47.140] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003380)  
Is that the sales from privatization?

**[04:21:50.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003381)  
Yeah.

**[04:21:52.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003382)  
Ang sigurado ko po yung sa privatization,

**[04:21:54.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003383)  
P100 billion, P101 billion pesos po.

**[04:22:00.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003384)  
Pero ano po yun eh.

**[04:22:01.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003385)  
You said?

**[04:22:03.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003386)  
Non-tax po yun.

**[04:22:04.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003387)  
Hindi po siya parte ng tax revenues.

**[04:22:07.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003388)  
So, kukulitin po natin, out of the P5.2 trillion in total revenues,

**[04:22:14.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003389)  
P4.85 trillion po yung tax revenues.

**[04:22:18.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003390)  
Tapos yun po yung binanggit ko na breakdown kanina ng BIR, BOC, and other offices.

**[04:22:22.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003391)  
And then, P300 billion.

**[04:22:24.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003392)  
P354 billion po ang non-tax revenues.

**[04:22:28.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003393)  
Doon po nakapasok yung privatization.

**[04:22:31.320] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003394)  
So, the P3.3 trillion, no?

**[04:22:34.100] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003395)  
So, out of that, the P2.4 trillion from domestic sources through treasury bills, ba?

**[04:22:40.140] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003396)  
Yung P2.4 billion.

**[04:22:41.600] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003397)  
The P3.3 total.

**[04:22:43.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003398)  
Nasaan si Ma'am Sharon?

**[04:22:44.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003399)  
Ma'am Sharon?

**[04:23:07.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003402)  
Kinukuha lang po natin mula po sa DOF,

**[04:23:10.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003403)  
yung po breakdown ng by domestic versus foreign sources and by type po.

**[04:23:16.680] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003404)  
Yeah, Mr. Speaker, kasi kailangang maintindihan natin mga kababayan kung bakit.

**[04:23:20.800] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003405)  
Paano yung breakdown ng 3.3?

**[04:23:23.220] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003406)  
Domestic?

**[04:23:23.780] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003407)  
saka externally

**[04:23:26.440] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003408)  
through programs.

**[04:23:53.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003409)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

**[04:23:56.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003410)  
so with regard to the

**[04:23:57.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003411)  
total borrowings po,

**[04:24:01.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003412)  
gross external

**[04:24:02.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003413)  
borrowings account for

**[04:24:03.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003414)  
914 billion

**[04:24:06.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003415)  
914

**[04:24:10.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003416)  
actually

**[04:24:12.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003417)  
915 billion pesos po.

**[04:24:15.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003418)  
Gross domestic borrowings

**[04:24:16.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003419)  
account for 2.39

**[04:24:19.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003420)  
trillion.

**[04:24:21.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003421)  
Kung gusto po ba natin

**[04:24:23.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003422)  
ang breakdown ng

**[04:24:24.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003423)  
domestic borrowings.

**[04:24:26.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003424)  
Andun po yung T-bills and fixed rate.

**[04:24:28.500] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003425)  
Yes, please.

**[04:24:29.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003426)  
Sa ilalim po noong gross domestic borrowings

**[04:24:32.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003427)  
out of the 2.39

**[04:24:34.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003428)  
trillion,

**[04:24:36.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003429)  
60 billion of that

**[04:24:38.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003430)  
are treasury bills.

**[04:24:40.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003431)  
And then the rest po,

**[04:24:42.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003432)  
the remaining 2.33

**[04:24:44.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003433)  
trillion are fixed rate treasury

**[04:24:46.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003434)  
bonds.

**[04:24:48.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003435)  
Thank you, Mr. Speaker,

**[04:24:50.680] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003436)  
Distinguished Sponsor.

**[04:24:52.280] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003437)  
Moving forward,

**[04:24:53.420] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003438)  
just to continue from the line of

**[04:24:55.440] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003439)  
questioning of Representatives

**[04:24:57.280] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003440)  
Tinio and Elago. Mr. Speaker,

**[04:24:59.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003441)  
Distinguished Sponsor,

**[04:25:00.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003442)  
when all debt

**[04:25:02.380] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003443)  
matures, the government

**[04:25:04.940] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003444)  
may need to borrow again

**[04:25:06.800] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003445)  
to replace it.

**[04:25:08.920] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003446)  
The problem is that some of

**[04:25:10.780] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003447)  
the debt being refinanced

**[04:25:13.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003448)  
was contracted

**[04:25:14.480] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003449)  
during pandemic.

**[04:25:17.120] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003450)  
When interest rates were

**[04:25:18.660] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003451)  
relatively low,

**[04:25:23.420] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003453)  
if the new loans carry higher

**[04:25:25.280] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003454)  
interest rate, the government will

**[04:25:27.340] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003455)  
have to pay more to service

**[04:25:29.380] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003456)  
the same debts. Is this

**[04:25:31.260] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003457)  
observation accurate?

**[04:25:33.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003458)  
Because remember, during pandemic, there's

**[04:25:35.420] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003459)  
no businesses at all. So talaga,

**[04:25:37.900] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003460)  
walang umuutang, walang

**[04:25:39.360] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003461)  
business at all, kaya mababa

**[04:25:40.840] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003462)  
ang rate natin. And ngayon,

**[04:25:43.820] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003463)  
because the pandemic

**[04:25:45.500] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003464)  
problem resurfaced

**[04:25:47.880] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003465)  
ngayon, binabayaran natin ngayon

**[04:25:49.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003466)  
with different

**[04:25:50.820] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003467)  
interest rate. So,

**[04:25:53.420] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003468)  
paano maapektuhan yun sa atin ngayon ito?

**[04:26:10.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003469)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[04:26:12.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003470)  
distinguished colleague, to be able

**[04:26:14.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003471)  
to cushion

**[04:26:16.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003472)  
any

**[04:26:17.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003473)  
exposure

**[04:26:19.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003474)  
to external shocks, 70%

**[04:26:22.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003475)  
po of our

**[04:26:23.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003476)  
borrowings are

**[04:26:27.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003477)  
domestic. So, that's the reason

**[04:26:29.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003478)  
po why kahit

**[04:26:31.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003479)  
paano po na babawasan po yung

**[04:26:32.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003480)  
exposure natin sa foreign shocks.

**[04:26:35.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003481)  
And within the domestic borrowings

**[04:26:37.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003482)  
po, we

**[04:26:38.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003483)  
recognize the point of our distinguished

**[04:26:40.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003484)  
colleague that the rates as of

**[04:26:43.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003485)  
now are elevated as compared to

**[04:26:45.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003486)  
during the time of the pandemic

**[04:26:47.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003487)  
when these loans were

**[04:26:48.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003488)  
secured. But the way po

**[04:26:50.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003489)  
that we are also reducing

**[04:26:52.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003490)  
our exposure is that 90% of our gross domestic borrowings are fixed rate treasury bonds. So, at least po, hindi po tayo dumidepende sa prevailing market interest rates.

**[04:27:06.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003491)  
So, at least medyo nagbe-blend siya because of the domestic borrowings.

**[04:27:11.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003492)  
Dalawa po. We rely mostly on domestic borrowings and within our domestic borrowings, 90% of those are fixed rate treasury bonds.

**[04:27:22.400] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003493)  
Fixed rate, that's the most important thing.

**[04:27:24.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003494)  
Okay. So, am I correct

**[04:27:26.440] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003495)  
in stating that this situation

**[04:27:28.720] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003496)  
means that a larger portion

**[04:27:30.460] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003497)  
of government spending will be

**[04:27:32.420] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003498)  
tied up in debt payments in

**[04:27:34.300] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003499)  
2027? Debt service

**[04:27:36.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003500)  
projected to account for

**[04:27:38.120] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003501)  
39.2% of total

**[04:27:40.600] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003502)  
government expenditures,

**[04:27:42.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003503)  
an increase of 7.6%

**[04:27:44.660] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003504)  
points from the previous

**[04:27:46.560] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003505)  
year. Is this correct?

**[04:27:51.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003506)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[04:27:52.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003507)  
if we may clarify, is it debt servicing

**[04:27:54.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003508)  
as a percentage of

**[04:27:56.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003509)  
the budget or as a percentage of GDP po?

**[04:27:58.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003510)  
Yung percentage po.

**[04:28:00.480] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003511)  
Percentage of GDP.

**[04:28:35.050] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003512)  
For 2027 po,

**[04:28:38.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003513)  
Mr. Speaker, based on the data from the DOF for 2027 po, if we look at interest

**[04:28:44.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003514)  
payments as a percentage of

**[04:28:46.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003515)  
GDP, the figure that we have

**[04:28:48.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003516)  
po is 3.4%.

**[04:28:49.880] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003517)  
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

**[04:28:52.400] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003518)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor.

**[04:28:54.880] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003519)  
My point is,

**[04:28:56.420] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003520)  
how long the Filipino taxpayers

**[04:28:58.300] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003521)  
expect

**[04:28:59.640] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003522)  
to pay these debts?

**[04:29:02.460] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003523)  
This portion of the budget represents

**[04:29:04.420] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003524)  
money that have been allocated

**[04:29:06.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003525)  
for projects that can actually

**[04:29:08.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003526)  
be felt and experienced

**[04:29:10.460] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003527)  
by Filipinos. Because

**[04:29:12.280] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003528)  
continued budget deficits

**[04:29:14.600] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003529)  
that will be financed

**[04:29:16.580] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003530)  
by additional borrowings

**[04:29:18.120] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003531)  
will continue to experience

**[04:29:20.360] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003532)  
these increases annually,

**[04:29:22.400] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003533)  
perpetually, until

**[04:29:24.780] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003534)  
we reach a point that maybe half of

**[04:29:26.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003535)  
our budget goes to debt servicing.

**[04:29:29.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003536)  
Ito na po yung nakikita

**[04:29:30.540] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003537)  
ang kinakatakutan po natin, no?

**[04:29:32.840] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003538)  
Because, Mr. Speaker,

**[04:29:34.660] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003539)  
Distinguished Sponsor, every year,

**[04:29:36.900] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003540)  
I'm not blaming any

**[04:29:38.680] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003541)  
administration, kasi ito na talaga eh.

**[04:29:41.180] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003542)  
Doon na yung papunta.

**[04:29:42.280] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003543)  
So, dating ba tayo,

**[04:29:43.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003544)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor,

**[04:29:47.080] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003545)  
na dating ba tayo na pano na

**[04:29:48.560] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003546)  
kalahatin ng ating budget

**[04:29:50.400] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003547)  
will be

**[04:29:51.720] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003548)  
allocated for debt servicing

**[04:29:53.780] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003549)  
principal interest. Dating ba tayo

**[04:29:55.900] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003550)  
sa ganung oras? Kasi right now, it's

**[04:29:57.680] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003551)  
one-third. Am I right? Almost one-third.

**[04:30:00.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003552)  
third of our total

**[04:30:01.940] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003553)  
budget, pambahid lang natin

**[04:30:04.220] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003554)  
ng interest

**[04:30:05.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003555)  
at principal. Ang kinakatukot

**[04:30:08.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003556)  
ng ko po rito, baka dumating araw,

**[04:30:10.840] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003557)  
50%

**[04:30:11.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003558)  
pambahid natin. Ano pa

**[04:30:13.720] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003559)  
mangyayari sa ating mga social

**[04:30:15.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003560)  
services natin?

**[04:30:17.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003561)  
Sa kasalukuyin po, Mr. Speaker,

**[04:30:19.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003562)  
just to clarify po, interest

**[04:30:21.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003563)  
payments as a percentage

**[04:30:23.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003564)  
of the budget is at 15%

**[04:30:26.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003565)  
at the moment.

**[04:30:28.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003566)  
So ngayon po,

**[04:30:29.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003567)  
ang pinitignan po, ang goal din po

**[04:30:31.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003568)  
ng ating economic managers

**[04:30:33.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003569)  
is to do fiscal consolidation.

**[04:30:36.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003570)  
So the goal po is to narrow

**[04:30:37.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003571)  
the deficit as we go along.

**[04:30:40.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003572)  
Ang target po

**[04:30:42.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003573)  
is by

**[04:30:43.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003574)  
2027

**[04:30:45.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003575)  
from 5.4%

**[04:30:47.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003576)  
sorry, from a 5.4

**[04:30:50.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003577)  
ratio in

**[04:30:51.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003578)  
2026, bababa po ng

**[04:30:53.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003579)  
5.1 ng

**[04:30:55.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003580)  
2027 and by 2030 po,

**[04:30:57.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003581)  
hopefully, 3.5%.

**[04:30:59.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003582)  
Yung debt to GDP ratio

**[04:31:01.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003583)  
po natin. So

**[04:31:03.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003584)  
ngayon po, I recognize

**[04:31:05.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003585)  
the point po of our distinguished

**[04:31:07.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003586)  
colleague that this is also eating up

**[04:31:09.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003587)  
our fiscal space,

**[04:31:11.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003588)  
the debt servicing, the interest

**[04:31:13.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003589)  
payments. As mentioned earlier

**[04:31:15.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003590)  
po, in 2028,

**[04:31:18.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003591)  
ang target po kasi

**[04:31:19.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003592)  
is the same level of 7.2

**[04:31:21.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003593)  
trillion pesos in terms of the budget.

**[04:31:23.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003594)  
So given that we have higher interest

**[04:31:25.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003595)  
payments po, it will

**[04:31:27.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003596)  
eat up our fiscal space.

**[04:31:29.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003597)  
Pero rest assured po,

**[04:31:31.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003598)  
we will make sure in the

**[04:31:33.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003599)  
way that we craft the budget for

**[04:31:35.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003600)  
2027, hindi po

**[04:31:37.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003601)  
bababa

**[04:31:39.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003602)  
yung ating

**[04:31:41.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003603)  
budget para sa social

**[04:31:43.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003604)  
services at iba pang mga

**[04:31:45.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003605)  
critical na mga proyekto at programa

**[04:31:47.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003606)  
dahil po sa interest

**[04:31:49.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003607)  
payments at sa debt servicing. So we will

**[04:31:51.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003608)  
make sure po that we safeguard

**[04:31:52.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003609)  
the budget for

**[04:31:55.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003610)  
those critical

**[04:31:56.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003611)  
programs.

**[04:31:59.520] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003612)  
Mr. Sponsor, yun lang naman kailangan natin, no?

**[04:32:01.580] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003613)  
We need to safeguard. Kasi tayang.

**[04:32:04.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003614)  
Just imagine, yung ordinaryong

**[04:32:05.940] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003615)  
pamilya, kumikita lang

**[04:32:07.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003616)  
ng 10,000, nakakapag-save sila.

**[04:32:10.160] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003617)  
Tayo, we need to

**[04:32:11.560] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003618)  
borrow money para lang

**[04:32:13.880] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003619)  
we know, we understand, we have to

**[04:32:15.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003620)  
pump up the economy. Kailangan natin

**[04:32:17.820] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003621)  
niya para umiikot ang

**[04:32:18.920] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003622)  
economy natin.

**[04:32:21.160] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003623)  
Mr. Speaker, Mr. Sponsor,

**[04:32:23.840] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003624)  
fiscal year 2027 budget

**[04:32:25.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003625)  
claims to pursue

**[04:32:27.380] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003626)  
fiscal consolidation.

**[04:32:29.520] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003627)  
Consolidation. But if consolidation

**[04:32:31.680] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003628)  
is proceeding more slowly

**[04:32:33.720] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003629)  
than originally intended

**[04:32:35.700] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003630)  
and debt to GDP

**[04:32:37.900] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003631)  
is projected to rise

**[04:32:40.060] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003632)  
from 66%

**[04:32:42.380] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003633)  
in 2026

**[04:32:43.820] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003634)  
to 72.9%

**[04:32:46.240] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003635)  
by 2030,

**[04:32:47.880] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003636)  
can we really say that the current

**[04:32:49.720] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003637)  
fiscal path is sufficient

**[04:32:51.160] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003638)  
to stabilize our debt?

**[04:33:25.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003639)  
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

**[04:33:26.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003640)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague,

**[04:33:27.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003641)  
we recognize the

**[04:33:29.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003642)  
point po and we agree that given

**[04:33:31.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003643)  
the macroeconomic

**[04:33:33.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003644)  
situation, the geopolitical

**[04:33:35.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003645)  
political conflict,

**[04:33:37.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003646)  
external trade shocks

**[04:33:39.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003647)  
and the like, mas bumagal po

**[04:33:41.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003648)  
than projected.

**[04:33:43.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003649)  
Yung

**[04:33:43.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003650)  
pagbaba

**[04:33:46.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003651)  
noong debt to GDP ratio natin.

**[04:33:49.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003652)  
However, if we look

**[04:33:51.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003653)  
at the projections po, between

**[04:33:53.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003654)  
2026 and 2030,

**[04:33:56.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003655)  
the goal is to

**[04:33:57.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003656)  
reduce the debt

**[04:33:59.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003657)  
to GDP ratio from

**[04:34:00.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003658)  
58.6 in 2026

**[04:34:04.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003659)  
to 56.1 in 2030.

**[04:34:08.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003660)  
So even po, even if the fiscal

**[04:34:10.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003661)  
consolidation slowed down,

**[04:34:13.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003662)  
the rate of fiscal consolidation

**[04:34:14.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003663)  
slowed down, the goal po is by

**[04:34:17.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003664)  
2030, we'll be able to reduce

**[04:34:19.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003665)  
debt to GDP ratio by

**[04:34:21.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003666)  
at least 2.5%.

**[04:34:23.940] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003667)  
Thank you.

**[04:34:25.040] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003668)  
While there is no immediate liquidity

**[04:34:27.100] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003669)  
crisis, medium term

**[04:34:29.320] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003670)  
fiscal risks are increasing.

**[04:34:31.620] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003671)  
So the issue is not whether we are

**[04:34:33.360] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003672)  
in a debt crisis today,

**[04:34:35.480] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003673)  
but whether we are moving forward

**[04:34:38.060] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003674)  
toward a sustainable debt

**[04:34:40.180] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003675)  
trajectory.

**[04:34:41.400] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003676)  
This is correct.

**[04:34:51.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003677)  
Mr. Speaker, we can say

**[04:34:53.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003678)  
that yes, it is sustainable

**[04:34:55.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003679)  
because the benchmark for

**[04:34:58.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003680)  
general government debt is at 70%.

**[04:35:01.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003681)  
And right now, we are at 58.6%.

**[04:35:04.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003682)  
And targeting to go down

**[04:35:06.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003683)  
to 56.1% by 2030.

**[04:35:10.760] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003684)  
Can you also confirm the statement

**[04:35:13.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003685)  
that weaker economic

**[04:35:14.320] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003686)  
growth presents

**[04:35:16.500] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003687)  
the greatest risk to the country's

**[04:35:19.040] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003688)  
debt trajectory?

**[04:35:20.640] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003689)  
Would it therefore be

**[04:35:21.880] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003690)  
counterproductive to pursue

**[04:35:24.280] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003691)  
fiscal consolidation

**[04:35:26.760] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003692)  
by indiscriminate

**[04:35:28.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003693)  
cutting productive

**[04:35:30.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003694)  
public spending?

**[04:35:38.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003695)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[04:35:39.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003696)  
the economic managers

**[04:35:42.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003697)  
of the government is focusing

**[04:35:43.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003698)  
on quality spending.

**[04:35:46.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003699)  
So we're focusing on projects

**[04:35:48.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003700)  
with high economic

**[04:35:50.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003701)  
multipliers.

**[04:35:52.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003702)  
So even though we are

**[04:35:53.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003703)  
technically cutting down on

**[04:35:56.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003704)  
spending, we are,

**[04:35:58.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003705)  
making sure that those

**[04:36:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003706)  
expenditure items are of high quality

**[04:36:03.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003707)  
and have high economic multipliers.

**[04:36:05.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003708)  
Thank you,

**[04:36:06.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003709)  
Distinguished Sponsor.

**[04:36:08.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003710)  
Again, my follow-up question.

**[04:36:09.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003711)  
If expenditure cuts

**[04:36:12.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003712)  
cannot be the sole answer,

**[04:36:14.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003713)  
what then should be the way forward

**[04:36:16.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003714)  
for the fiscal year 2027 budget?

**[04:36:40.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003715)  
Mr. Speaker, for 2027,

**[04:36:45.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003716)  
it is still a budget that is a product

**[04:36:48.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003717)  
of fiscal consolidation.

**[04:36:50.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003718)  
The goal is to focus,

**[04:36:52.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003719)  
as I mentioned, on quality spending

**[04:36:55.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003720)  
in order to accelerate growth.

**[04:36:57.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003721)  
And for it to facilitate

**[04:36:59.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003722)  
economic recovery,

**[04:37:01.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003723)  
given the previous shocks

**[04:37:03.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003724)  
that were experienced by our economy

**[04:37:05.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003725)  
in the past

**[04:37:07.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003726)  
quarters.

**[04:37:09.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003727)  
Okay, how about those

**[04:37:11.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003728)  
tax revenue natin?

**[04:37:13.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003729)  
Will they have to streamline it?

**[04:37:15.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003730)  
Kasi meraming inefficient tax

**[04:37:17.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003731)  
expenditures tayo eh. Is it

**[04:37:19.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003732)  
possible na isama

**[04:37:21.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003733)  
natin sila yung revenue

**[04:37:23.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003734)  
mobilization natin para

**[04:37:25.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003735)  
maging mas effective?

**[04:37:26.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003736)  
At magiging ano tayo,

**[04:37:28.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003737)  
kumbaga magiging competitive tayo?

**[04:37:30.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003738)  
Kasi right now,

**[04:37:32.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003739)  
yung deficiency natin masyado na malaki.

**[04:37:34.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003740)  
Remember, almost 5 trillion

**[04:37:36.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003741)  
compared to 7.2 trillion.

**[04:37:38.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003742)  
So medyo malaki ang ating

**[04:37:40.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003743)  
deficit ngayon.

**[04:37:42.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003744)  
Kung gaganda ang ating collection,

**[04:37:44.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003745)  
at least, no,

**[04:37:46.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003746)  
1 trillion a year o 1.5 trillion

**[04:37:48.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003747)  
na borrowings natin,

**[04:37:50.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003748)  
deficit siguro ay maganda.

**[04:37:52.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003749)  
So,

**[04:37:54.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003750)  
is there any

**[04:37:56.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003751)  
future actions

**[04:37:58.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003752)  
na pabain natin ng ating

**[04:38:00.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003753)  
deficit by streamlining

**[04:38:02.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003754)  
yung ating mga collection?

**[04:38:40.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003756)  
Mister Speaker,

**[04:38:42.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003757)  
distinguished colleague,

**[04:38:44.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003758)  
if we compare our revenue effort

**[04:38:46.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003759)  
in terms of

**[04:38:48.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003760)  
benchmarking it with

**[04:38:50.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003761)  
peer countries,

**[04:38:52.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003762)  
currently at 16.6 percent in the first half of 2026 and we are doing better than several of our

**[04:39:00.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003763)  
peer countries for example malaysia is at 15.7 percent thailand at 15.6 percent in indonesia at

**[04:39:06.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003764)  
11.5 percent so in terms of revenue effort our our country is doing well um and the dof is saying

**[04:39:15.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003765)  
that they are also implementing um programs uh uh in order to uh optimize the non-tax revenues

**[04:39:24.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003766)  
so um they are trying to maximize our revenues sure we are at par with our neighboring countries

**[04:39:33.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003767)  
um actually we're doing even better um than than several of our peer countries although

**[04:39:38.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003768)  
singapore and vietnam are ahead in terms of our revenue efforts but we're we're doing well

**[04:39:45.280] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003769)  
compared to our peer countries thank you speaker thank you uh uh sponsor my next question

**[04:39:53.760] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003770)  
the fiscal year 2027 this is about social services budget increases overall by six percent yet the

**[04:40:01.840] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003771)  
social services sector climbs by 5.5 or 143.7 billion the reductions include health education

**[04:40:13.360] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003772)  
and manpower development and

**[04:40:15.280] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003773)  
social security welfare and employment meanwhile economic services increases by 17.8 percent

**[04:40:24.560] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003774)  
is this figure correct

**[04:40:32.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003775)  
Yes, Mr. Speaker, if we compare GAA to NEP, opo, bumaba po yung

**[04:40:35.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003776)  
specifically because of the capital outlay components po.

**[04:40:39.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003777)  
Malaki po kasi yung ating naibigay sa parte po ng Kamara

**[04:40:43.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003778)  
during the BARC deliberations. But based on the utilization rates po,

**[04:40:53.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003779)  
for example, for BEF, for HFEP, and for farm-to-market roads,

**[04:40:58.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003780)  
medyo mababa po yung utilization rate. So on the part of the executive,

**[04:41:03.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003781)  
binaba po ulit nila, back to previous NEP levels as compared to GAA.

**[04:41:10.080] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003782)  
just for the allocation is that the justification

**[04:41:12.880] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003783)  
just for the allocation? Is that the justification natin, yan ba iyon?

**[04:41:15.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003784)  
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Sa parte po ng executive, iyon po yung justification nila. But again, on the part of the House,

**[04:41:22.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003785)  
we will endeavor to recalibrate the funding levels for these

**[04:41:29.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003786)  
critical programs.

**[04:41:31.200] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003787)  
About the privatization proceeds,

**[04:41:35.080] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003789)  
Distinguished Sponsor, the fiscal year 2027 revenue program

**[04:41:39.520] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003790)  
includes approximately

**[04:41:41.320] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003791)  
binanggit mo kanina,

**[04:41:43.000] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003792)  
P101.5 billion in privatization proceeds.

**[04:41:46.420] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003793)  
Yet, this target was originally contemplated for an earlier budget and has already been deferred twice.

**[04:41:54.800] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003794)  
If our information is accurate, tama mo ba ito?

**[04:42:00.600] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003795)  
The other income natin, privatization?

**[04:42:03.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003796)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, actually po, this representation actually asked about that during the DBCC hearing

**[04:42:14.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003797)  
because the 101 billion is a lot higher than their previous projections in terms of the privatization revenues.

**[04:42:26.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003798)  
Dati po, the highest was I think at 35 billion and for 2027, they projected at 101 billion.

**[04:42:32.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003799)  
So, ang sagot po ni SECDEC nung tinanong ko po yun,

**[04:42:38.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003800)  
they have several privatization projects in the pipeline that would, we'll give the example.

**[04:42:48.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003801)  
We can mention several po of these privatization projects in the pipeline.

**[04:42:55.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003802)  
So there's the Mile Long asset, FTI, SLEX shares, and Semirara shares.

**[04:43:03.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003804)  
Totaling 60 billion among others.

**[04:43:07.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003805)  
So, yun po yung projected nila na privatization revenues for 2027.

**[04:43:13.500] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003806)  
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor.

**[04:43:16.780] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003807)  
Ultimately, the challenge is not simply to reduce the deficit or keep that below a particular numerical threshold.

**[04:43:25.220] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003808)  
It is to place our debt on a path toward stabilization and eventual decline without sacrificing

**[04:43:33.120] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003812)  
the economic growth that makes that objective possible. So the goal is not simply to spend less today, but to build a stronger economy that can generate more revenues.

**[04:43:47.200] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003813)  
In crafting that 2027 budget, we must make targeted investment in the foundations of economic growth, reliable and affordable energy, better infrastructure, human capital education, support for productive industries, MSMEs, faster and more predictable government processes,

**[04:44:14.040] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003814)  
and an environment that attracts both domestic and international demand.

**[04:44:17.200] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003815)  
And of course, this is on top of efforts improving the efficiency of public spending, so that every peso of government expenditure contributes as much as possible productivity and job creation.

**[04:44:34.180] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003816)  
That is the balance we should pursue as we move forward with this debate.

**[04:44:38.860] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003817)  
Those are all my questions, Mr. Speaker and Madam Sponsor. Thank you for the opportunity.

**[04:44:43.760] Rep. Presley C. De Jesus** (asr-003818)  
Thank you very much.

**[04:44:47.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003819)  
Mr. Speaker, thank you very much to our distinguished colleague, the Honorable Presley De Jesus.

**[04:44:51.100] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-003820)  
Thank you, the Honorable De Jesus. Majority Leader.

**[04:44:53.760] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-003821)  
Mr. Speaker, next to interpellate, I move to recognize the Honorable Sergio Dagooc of APEC Party-list.

**[04:45:00.000] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-003822)  
The Honorable Sergio Dagooc of APEC Party-list is recognized. Please proceed.

**[04:45:05.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003823)  
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Majority Leader.

**[04:45:11.300] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003824)  
Ang paborito bang Sir ay pwedeng matanong ng ilang katanungan?

**[04:45:18.760] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003825)  
Hindi kita pahirapan kasi...

**[04:45:22.320] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003826)  
Buti lang nakaupo si Sir, no?

**[04:45:24.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003827)  
Yes, of course, Mr. Speaker. I would be honored to field questions from the Honorable Sergio Dagooc.

**[04:45:31.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003828)  
The distinguished sponsor is aware of what sector I am representing.

**[04:45:38.580] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003829)  
So, hindi ko na po ulitin yung mga natanong na kanina kung saan nang gagaling yung ating mga revenue na ipupundo dito kasama na ako yung mga utang.

**[04:45:50.540] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003830)  
For the interest of the public,

**[04:45:54.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003831)  
kailangan kasi very important yung issue ng kuryente.

**[04:45:59.720] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003832)  
Kaya kailangan kong mag-Tagalog kahit hirap ako dahil bisaya ako.

**[04:46:04.940] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003833)  
So, during the budget briefing,

**[04:46:09.840] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003834)  
inami naman po ng DipDip mismo,

**[04:46:13.100] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003835)  
napakahalaga po ng kuryente sa ating pambansang ekonomiya.

**[04:46:21.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003836)  
So, ngayon,

**[04:46:24.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003837)  
pinanggalingan po ng ating revenue,

**[04:46:28.660] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003838)  
which includes privatization.

**[04:46:30.600] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003839)  
Tama po ba, Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor?

**[04:46:35.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003840)  
Tama po yun, Mr. Speaker.

**[04:46:38.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003841)  
There's a projected privatization revenue of P101 billion for 2027.

**[04:46:45.580] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003842)  
So, doon po ako mag-focus.

**[04:46:48.500] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003843)  
Yan po yung unang issue ko.

**[04:46:52.620] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003844)  
Kasama po ba,

**[04:46:54.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003845)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[04:46:55.880] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003846)  
Distinguished Sponsor,

**[04:46:58.420] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003847)  
yung privatization natin sa

**[04:47:00.520] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003848)  
yung nalalabi pang mga asit,

**[04:47:03.720] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003849)  
lalong-lalo na ikaw, no?

**[04:47:05.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003850)  
From Sultan Kudarat, yung ano mo.

**[04:47:08.220] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003851)  
So, yung Agus and Pulangi po,

**[04:47:11.640] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003852)  
na natitirang energy asit ng ating pamahalaan,

**[04:47:18.580] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003853)  
ay ang pagkakaalam ko,

**[04:47:22.180] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003854)  
inumpisahan na po nating,

**[04:47:24.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003855)  
tumanggap ng unsolicited proposal.

**[04:47:29.640] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003856)  
Tama po ba, Mr. Speaker?

**[04:47:38.600] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003857)  
Although, alam ko,

**[04:47:40.200] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003858)  
itatanong ko din to sa PISAM,

**[04:47:41.900] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003859)  
pero sa general provision kasi kasama yung privatization.

**[04:47:47.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003860)  
Mr. Speaker, yes, we can confirm.

**[04:47:49.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003861)  
Yung nabanggit po na project na ating distinguished colleague,

**[04:47:53.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003862)  
meron pong

**[04:47:54.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003863)  
kumukuha po ng unsolicited proposals sa kasinukuyan.

**[04:48:02.120] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003864)  
Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[04:48:07.300] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003865)  
hindi po ba natalakay sa LIDAC?

**[04:48:12.560] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003866)  
Although, baka mag-poll na ito sa tanong ko sa DIPDIB,

**[04:48:17.760] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003867)  
pero kasama kasi siya sa revenue na pinanggalingan.

**[04:48:22.380] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003868)  
So, napakahalaga po,

**[04:48:23.900] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003869)  
ng mga asset na 'yan. At sa LEDAC dapat napag-usapan ang nangyari. Bakit ganito kataas ang ating kuryente? At bakit nagmamakaawa tayo sa private sector kung kailan sila magtayo ng planta, saan nila itayo, at magkano yung presyo, kasi deregulated siya? So ito na lang yung natitira nating kapiranggot na asset within our control,

**[04:48:51.620] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003870)  
revenue generating,

**[04:48:54.400] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003872)  
instead na in relisyon sa mga katanungan kanina ng aking mga kasamahan,

**[04:49:00.020] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003873)  
namumutang tayo ng trilyon.

**[04:49:04.440] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003874)  
Tinanong ng mga kasamahan ko,

**[04:49:06.140] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003875)  
saan ba napunta?

**[04:49:07.840] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003876)  
Anong pakinabang ng mga taxpayers na nagbabayad ng mga otang na yon?

**[04:49:13.260] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003877)  
Dito, tumanggap tayo ng unsolicited proposal

**[04:49:16.900] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003878)  
para i-rehabilitate ang kaisa-isang jewel ng Mindanao,

**[04:49:21.740] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003879)  
Agos Anpulangi,

**[04:49:23.900] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003880)  
na humihila pababa sa presyo ng kurinti sa Mindanao

**[04:49:28.580] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003881)  
to be competitive from Luzon and Visayas,

**[04:49:32.040] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003882)  
na ngayon ay nagiging 19 pesos na,

**[04:49:35.640] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003883)  
tas ibinta pa natin.

**[04:49:38.180] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003884)  
So, saan ba nanggaling yung hugot ng ating economic managers sa LIDAC?

**[04:49:45.600] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003885)  
Bakit pinayaga nila at hindi sila nakapag-advise

**[04:49:48.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003886)  
na huwag nang isama yung mga asit na revenue generating

**[04:49:53.900] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003887)  
at mga mga businessbook na ito?

**[04:49:56.780] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003888)  
Instead, mangutang tayo. Napakaliit, no? Mangutang tayo ng trilyon; ang kinakailangan sa Agus and Pulangi, bilyon lang na rehabilitation. After ma-rehabilitate, we solve the power [unclear], we reduce the cost of electricity, pati na yung Visayas kasi nag-i-import na si Mindanao ngayon ng

**[04:50:15.360] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003889)  
kuryente sa Visayas with the interconnection of Visayas and Mindanao.

**[04:50:17.940] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003890)  
Tapos, nakinabang pa tayo sa employment.

**[04:50:25.240] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003894)  
isang asit lang ang tinutukoy ko.

**[04:50:27.780] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003895)  
Ah, kandi

**[04:50:28.700] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003896)  
economic managers

**[04:50:31.300] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003897)  
naman, pansinin naman ninyo

**[04:50:33.360] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003898)  
yung mga pagagandang

**[04:50:35.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003899)  
rekomendasyon

**[04:50:37.540] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003900)  
galing sa mga membro ng

**[04:50:39.100] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003901)  
kongreso, lalong-lalong

**[04:50:41.300] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003902)  
na po sa kinatawang

**[04:50:43.480] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003903)  
ito, na talagang

**[04:50:45.180] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003904)  
alam ko kung saan po punta.

**[04:50:50.280] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003905)  
Madam Sponsor,

**[04:50:51.200] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003906)  
Mr. Speaker, sana ay

**[04:50:53.000] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003907)  
i-evaluate

**[04:50:55.000] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003908)  
ng ating lidak,

**[04:50:57.320] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003909)  
lalong-lalo na sa dip-dip

**[04:50:59.040] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003910)  
yung mga nangyari

**[04:51:00.780] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003911)  
sa planta

**[04:51:02.880] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003912)  
na na-privatize

**[04:51:05.420] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003913)  
natin. Deutermal natin

**[04:51:07.280] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003914)  
sa liti, magkano na

**[04:51:08.980] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003915)  
ang presyo ngayon

**[04:51:10.960] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003916)  
ng kurinte sa liti?

**[04:51:12.640] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003917)  
25 pesos may deutermal?

**[04:51:15.640] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003918)  
18 pesos may deutermal?

**[04:51:17.700] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003919)  
Magkano na

**[04:51:18.420] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003920)  
nung hindi pa

**[04:51:20.280] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003921)  
nabinta yan?

**[04:51:21.200] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003922)  
Only

**[04:51:22.520] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003923)  
4 pesos.

**[04:51:26.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003924)  
Yung Agus

**[04:51:27.540] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003925)  
at Pulangi ngayon sa Mindanao,

**[04:51:29.620] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003926)  
2 pesos ang 85.

**[04:51:31.500] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003927)  
Pag na-privatize na naman yan,

**[04:51:34.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003928)  
kahit

**[04:51:35.060] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003929)  
yung kanyang

**[04:51:37.200] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003930)  
rehabilitation lang, times

**[04:51:39.320] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003931)  
3 na naman yan. Kaliraya,

**[04:51:42.700] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003932)  
evaluate

**[04:51:43.160] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003933)  
kung anong nangyayari

**[04:51:45.100] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003934)  
after naibinta natin yung kaliraya,

**[04:51:47.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003935)  
magkano lang?

**[04:51:49.040] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003936)  
40 billion yata,

**[04:51:50.640] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003937)  
39 billion.

**[04:51:52.420] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003938)  
Pero ang balik sa atin,

**[04:51:54.420] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003939)  
wala na sa atin yung control.

**[04:51:56.600] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003940)  
Hindi na nga natin masilip kung totoo

**[04:51:58.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003941)  
bang nasira yung mga planta

**[04:51:59.940] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003942)  
dahil privately owned na.

**[04:52:02.360] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003943)  
So, I hope, no?

**[04:52:05.220] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003944)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[04:52:06.840] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003945)  
Madam Sponsor,

**[04:52:09.600] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003946)  
ako naman po ay papayag

**[04:52:12.720] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003947)  
na hindi na ninyo

**[04:52:14.480] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003948)  
sagutin.

**[04:52:16.700] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003949)  
Ang gusto ko lang marinig

**[04:52:18.440] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003950)  
sa ating mga economic manager,

**[04:52:20.640] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003951)  
can you take a look

**[04:52:22.760] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003952)  
of what I am recommending?

**[04:52:25.960] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003953)  
Kindly review

**[04:52:27.160] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003954)  
yung presyo ng mga

**[04:52:28.780] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003955)  
planta na tinutukoy ko

**[04:52:30.560] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003956)  
as some of the examples,

**[04:52:33.500] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003957)  
magkano yung

**[04:52:34.740] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003958)  
rate niya,

**[04:52:36.620] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003959)  
energy, yung generation

**[04:52:38.840] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003960)  
cost bago na i-privatize,

**[04:52:41.280] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003961)  
magkano na ngayon

**[04:52:42.300] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003962)  
na na-privatize na?

**[04:52:44.360] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003963)  
Then, kindly take a look

**[04:52:46.980] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003964)  
magkano yung

**[04:52:49.100] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003965)  
ginastos niya?

**[04:52:50.420] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003966)  
Ginastos ni private

**[04:52:51.920] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003967)  
ticker

**[04:52:52.680] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003968)  
at i-add mo yung

**[04:52:56.940] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003969)  
binayad niya sa goberno

**[04:52:59.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003970)  
to acquire

**[04:53:03.540] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003971)  
the facility

**[04:53:05.340] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003972)  
to acquire the asset

**[04:53:07.200] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003973)  
of napokor

**[04:53:08.720] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003974)  
pag i-add mo yan

**[04:53:11.060] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003975)  
ilang buwan lang

**[04:53:12.400] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003976)  
or taon niya mababawi.

**[04:53:14.880] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003977)  
Kaysa tayo ang nangutang

**[04:53:16.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003978)  
na gastusan yung planta na yan

**[04:53:18.940] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003979)  
na marihab,

**[04:53:19.500] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003980)  
we own the power plant

**[04:53:21.720] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003981)  
baka ang isasagot

**[04:53:24.500] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003982)  
na naman ninyo

**[04:53:25.260] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003983)  
nasa EPIRA kasi naibenta.

**[04:53:28.440] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003984)  
Why did you not recommend

**[04:53:29.540] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003985)  
na we will

**[04:53:31.280] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003986)  
we will

**[04:53:33.280] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003987)  
amend Section 47 of EPIRA

**[04:53:36.320] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003988)  
na hindi naibinta

**[04:53:38.140] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003989)  
yung mga planta na yan?

**[04:53:39.860] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003990)  
Na mga planta na yan na hindi pa

**[04:53:42.020] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003991)  
na-dispose should be excluded

**[04:53:43.900] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003992)  
from privatization

**[04:53:45.220] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003993)  
kasi may experience na tayo doon sa naunang

**[04:53:48.100] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003994)  
nabinta na nagtagal

**[04:53:49.500] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003995)  
times 2,

**[04:53:50.220] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003996)  
nag times 3

**[04:53:51.260] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003997)  
yung balik sa atin.

**[04:53:52.840] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003998)  
Kandi economic managers

**[04:53:56.360] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-003999)  
assured this representation

**[04:53:58.280] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004000)  
that you will look into that.

**[04:54:32.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004002)  
Mr. Speaker

**[04:54:33.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004003)  
distinguished colleague

**[04:54:33.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004004)  
I was talking po to

**[04:54:35.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004005)  
Secretary Balisacan

**[04:54:37.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004006)  
So the evaluation po

**[04:54:39.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004007)  
with regard to privatization initiatives

**[04:54:42.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004008)  
is handled by the ICC

**[04:54:44.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004009)  
and the membership of the ICC

**[04:54:46.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004010)  
is mostly po yung economic managers

**[04:54:48.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004011)  
din naman po natin.

**[04:54:49.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004012)  
So I spoke to them po and they commit po that whichever projects po yung nabanggit na ating distinguished colleague po for evaluation, they will take a look at it po.

**[04:55:01.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004013)  
So not just a value for money analysis on the part of the government, but also a bigger financial analysis.

**[04:55:09.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004014)  
Medyo sa totoo po nakakabahala po yung binanggit na ating distinguished colleague na may mga pagkakataon po na pagkatapos i-privatize yung isang power plant, mas tumataas yung power rate.

**[04:55:21.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004015)  
So ang naapektuhan po yung ating mga consumers.

**[04:55:24.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004016)  
So if we may request po our distinguished colleague for a list of the particular projects that you would like for the ICC to look into for evaluation,

**[04:55:37.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004017)  
magiging masaya po yung ICC na test.

**[04:55:39.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004018)  
Tignan po yung mga proyekto na babanggitin.

**[04:55:42.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004019)  
So we'll wait for the list po.

**[04:55:43.920] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004020)  
Binanggit ko na po, ang natitira na lang natin ngayon ay Agus and Pulangi.

**[04:55:48.380] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004021)  
Ang tinutukoy ko po, Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, na i-review yung na-privatize na magkano yung natanggap natin acquisition cost,

**[04:56:00.480] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004022)  
magkano yung ginastos lang nila na na-rehabilitate din yung binta nila ngayon per kilowatt hour,

**[04:56:09.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004023)  
pakikita.

**[04:56:09.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004024)  
Pakikita ninyo, napakabilis nilang mabawi yun.

**[04:56:12.880] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004025)  
What if tayo na lang ang nangutang, tayo na lang ang nag-rehab,

**[04:56:18.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004026)  
kontrolado pa natin yung presyo, hindi masasaktan yung ating mga taong bayan.

**[04:56:24.940] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004027)  
Yan yung punto na pinaparating ko dito, Mr. Speaker.

**[04:56:31.180] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004028)  
Hindi po yung ilang planta lang, kundi lahat po ng planta na ibinta natin, sure,

**[04:56:39.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004029)  
times to ang nagiging presyo na niya under the hands of the private sector.

**[04:56:50.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004030)  
If we may, Mr. Speaker, our distinguished colleague, if we can also get the list of even those that have been privatized previously na po,

**[04:56:58.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004031)  
para po ma-evaluate din po ng ating economic managers.

**[04:57:01.720] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004032)  
Yung termal natin sa liti, yung latest, at saka yung kaliraya natin, yan yung mga latest.

**[04:57:08.680] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004033)  
Kasi tinitimula.

**[04:57:09.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004034)  
Tingnan ko yung presyo, umiiyak yung mga taga-liti natin.

**[04:57:14.160] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004035)  
Ayaw ko mangyari yung loha ng taga-liti na mangyari sa magiging loha ng Mindanao.

**[04:57:20.200] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004036)  
Iba po ang kultura sa Mindanao, lalong-lalo na sa Agos.

**[04:57:24.680] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004037)  
Iba po yung kultura ng liti.

**[04:57:26.500] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004038)  
Alam na siguro ng distinguished sponsor, yung punto na gusto kong iparating.

**[04:57:35.000] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004039)  
Kung magkaroon ng privatization, kahit lang

**[04:57:39.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004040)  
kung sa rehabilitasyon at control ang operasyon ng Agos,

**[04:57:45.600] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004041)  
siguro, hindi matindi yung issue sa Pulangi, nasa bukid nun yun.

**[04:57:52.500] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004042)  
Pero I don't know pagdating sa Agos, I don't know.

**[04:57:57.040] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004043)  
Kasi magkaiba talaga.

**[04:57:58.100] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004044)  
So, ang susunod ko pong katanungan, Mr. Speaker, distinguished sponsor,

**[04:58:09.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004045)  
ito po punta sa ating 2027 budget.

**[04:58:17.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004046)  
Balikan ko po sandali yung 2026.

**[04:58:23.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004047)  
Tinalakay na natin yung 2027, pero kaya po ba nating punduhan yung 2026 natin na budget?

**[04:58:32.300] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004048)  
Yung ga-an natin sa 2026, kaya po ba nating punduhan lahat yun?

**[04:58:39.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004049)  
So, ang susunod ko pong katanungan, Mr. Speaker,

**[04:58:44.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004050)  
What I'm asking distinguished sponsor, Mr. Speaker, is that

**[04:58:49.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004051)  
before we discuss the current budget intended for 2027,

**[04:58:57.800] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004052)  
has the government the fiscal capacity to fully fund our 2026 general appropriations act?

**[04:59:07.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004053)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[04:59:09.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004055)  
With us, our National Treasurer, sorry to quote our National Treasurer, but she gives the assurance that we will be able to fund our 2026 budget.

**[04:59:21.740] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004056)  
Okay, maganda naman pong ganoon pala, kaya naman pala natin.

**[04:59:29.160] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004057)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Sponsor, nakalimutan ko pa po yung isang nakapublish na yung Diliman property ng Napokor.

**[04:59:41.460] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004058)  
Ang hindi ko rin maintindihan dyan, bakit ibinta natin, nandyan yung Napokor, nandyan nakaopisina yung Transco, ang ginawa, pinalipat si Napokor, nagririnta na lang ng 3.5 million a month.

**[04:59:59.160] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004059)  
Pero mayroon naman.

**[05:00:00.000] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004060)  
silang opisina. So siguro isama na rin pong tingnan yan ng mga economic

**[05:00:06.280] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004061)  
managers natin. Although hindi po siya ganun kabigat doon sa pag-privatize

**[05:00:13.340] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004062)  
ng isang planta. Kasi yung planta talaga nag-degenerate ka agad ng income

**[05:00:17.640] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004063)  
yun. Tapos nag-contribute pa na mapababa yung cost of electricity natin.

**[05:00:25.620] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004064)  
Pero isama rin 'yan sa privatization kasi naalala ko kasama yung

**[05:00:31.240] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004065)  
diliman property ng napokor. So for my next point, Mr. Speaker, since you

**[05:00:45.660] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004066)  
categorically answer na kaya naman po nating punduhan yung 2026

**[05:00:55.240] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004067)  
budget natin or yung ga-a, in 2027, ito po ay people-centered.

**[05:01:07.900] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004068)  
Sabi nga ni Secretary Kim ng DBM, ang meaning nito: Dapat ang Budget Makatao.

**[05:01:20.680] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004069)  
So tama naman po yun. I agree with him. So may we ask the

**[05:01:25.240] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004070)  
good sponsor to explain what objective or criteria, no, such as the

**[05:01:32.760] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004071)  
Philippine Development Plan for 2023 to 2028, sectoral plans, no, that needs

**[05:01:40.680] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004072)  
assessments, feasibility study, and measurable outcomes. We're used to

**[05:01:46.400] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004073)  
classify projects and programs as priorities across economic, social, defense,

**[05:01:53.940] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004074)  
general public service.

**[05:01:55.240] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004075)  
We also need to consider the debt-burdened sectors. Natanong na po ito kanina. Medyo pasensya na po, Mr. Speaker, distinguished sponsor, medyo nakulangan ako doon sa sagot kasi I agree with Congressman Tinio na medyo may mga nilagyan tayo ng budget na

**[05:02:23.340] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004076)  
Hindi naman totoong revenue generating yung contributor to economic growth na sana kung inuna natin yung ibang sektor na contributing to the economic growth, makikinabang din naman yung mga targeted subsidized sector.

**[05:02:49.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004077)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, amid very limited fiscal space, increasing borrowing costs and growing debt levels, kinailangan pong mag-prioritize ng DBM sapagkat P[unclear] trillion po yung kabuuang budget proposals na dumating po sa kanila. So they had to prioritize P7.2 trillion out of that. The criteria that they used po, they employed five criteria:

**[05:03:17.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004078)  
First is alignment with the Philippine Development Plan. Second is shovel readiness. Third is absorptive capacity. Fourth is fiscal space. And fifth po, prioritization of government programs that deliver the highest value and impact. So yun po yung limang kriteriya na ginamit po ng DBM.

**[05:03:39.780] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004079)  
Maraming salamat po, Distinguished Sponsor. Pupunta po ako doon sa absorptive capacity.

**[05:03:47.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004080)  
I totally agree na tama po yung kriteriya na yun. But I have a reservation, no? In reality, for example, may I cite the sitio electrification program of NEA.

**[05:04:03.680] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004081)  
Alam naman po natin yung economic contribution pag na-electrify natin yung isang lugar. Aside na nabigyan natin ng ginhawa yung mga tao.

**[05:04:17.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004082)  
Baka may mga negosyo. O hindi lang baka. In my experience, 43 years ako sa rural electrification, talagang umuunlad. Kaya nga yung mga barangay noon, nung nailawan na sa mga electric co-op yung area, nagiging munisipyo. Yung mga munisipyo nagiging city. Kaya malinaw po yung economic growth.

**[05:04:39.320] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004083)  
Pero pag-i-measure natin yung absorptive capacity ng NEA, dahil lang hindi nagastos yung...

**[05:04:47.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004084)  
Mayroon po tayong hindi nakita na dahilan. Nire-release po yung pundo, third quarter. Pag-release mo ng third quarter, sa bidding process pa lang, kakainin na niya yung buong third quarter.

**[05:05:10.500] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004085)  
Pag-release ng DBM sa third quarter yan, mag-umpisa na yung project.

**[05:05:17.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004086)  
Third quarter na, ay six months yung kailangan para ma-latag yung mga linya doon sa mga liblib na lugar. Ay talagang hindi niya ma-li-liquidate yun. Hindi ma-uubos.

**[05:05:30.020] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004087)  
Kaya kung titignan yan, ay hindi maganda yung absorptive capacity. Ang sinasabi ko po, ay tingnan yung mga gray area na yan. Kung i-release yan ng first quarter, I agree na kung 70 lang siya, 60 or less.

**[05:05:47.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004088)  
May problema siya sa absorptive capacity. Kasi we are talking here, doon sa example ko, of extending the lines to par-plunk and unviable areas na hindi po basta-basta.

**[05:05:59.660] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004089)  
Thank you.

**[05:06:17.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004090)  
May malaki po tayong inilagay dyan sa Barsi noong 2026 budget po kasi nag-release po tayo ng, if I'm not mistaken, 2 billion sa sityo electrification program po within NEA.

**[05:06:30.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004091)  
So, iti-check lang po ng pamilya natin sa DBM yung absorptive capacity utilization rate po ng NEA.

**[05:06:37.720] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004092)  
Ang tinutukoy ko lang, Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, Distinguished Sponsor, ang ginawa ko lang example yung NEA.

**[05:06:47.820] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004093)  
But I know, there are a lot of government agencies na hindi on time na-release yung kanilang budget appropriation.

**[05:06:58.580] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004094)  
Kaya, yung kriteriya natin na measurement na absorptive capacity, mayroon akong reservation.

**[05:07:09.440] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004095)  
Kasi kung sasabi ko, third quarter muna i-release yan, tapos yung project nila, DICT halimbawa,

**[05:07:15.580] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004096)  
e, bibiding pa nila yung mga kawan, yung mga supplier, yung mga contractor, ay hindi talaga nila ma-liquidate yan at the end of the fiscal year.

**[05:07:31.580] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004097)  
So, magre-replic yan na mababa yung absorptive capacity nila.

**[05:07:36.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004098)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, upon conferring with DBM, yes, they recognize that.

**[05:07:42.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004099)  
Kasi po, halimbawa, second quarter na.

**[05:07:45.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004100)  
Or, paminsan third quarter na po nare-release yung SARO, talaga po natatamaan po yung utilization rate ng ahensya sa buong taon.

**[05:07:56.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004101)  
So, they will look into it po and make sure that instead of doing, siguro, a straight line assessment,

**[05:08:05.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004102)  
medyo baka pwedeng pro-rated yung approach para hindi naman po masaktan talaga yung utilization rate ng ahensya

**[05:08:13.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004103)  
dahil late na-release yung SARO.

**[05:08:15.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004104)  
So, DBM will look into it po.

**[05:08:17.960] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004105)  
I appreciate that. Sa lahat ng sekretary sa seven years ko dito, si Sekretary Kim lang ang umamin na titignan nila.

**[05:08:26.560] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004106)  
Lahat may mga ibang dahilan. So, thank you, Sekretary Kim, na titignan ninyo.

**[05:08:32.300] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004107)  
Lahat ng agency, ginawa ko lang example yung, ano, yung, actually, Mr. Speaker, may apat pa ako na issue.

**[05:08:41.640] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004108)  
Pero, papahingayin ko muna yung...

**[05:08:45.580] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004109)  
favorite person ko. So, hindi ko na itatanong tong iba. Hindi ko na itatanong.

**[05:08:52.040] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-004110)  
So, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you sa mga sagot, Sekretary Kim, Distinguished Sponsor.

**[05:08:58.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004111)  
Thank you very much po to our distinguished colleague, Kong Sergio Dagooc. Thank you very much po.

**[05:09:04.500] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-004112)  
Thank you, the Honorable Dagooc. Majority Leader.

**[05:09:09.180] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-004113)  
Mr. Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable...

**[05:09:12.100] Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla** (asr-004114)  
Honorable Elijah San Fernando from Partylist Kamanggagawa to interplay it on the proposed budget on the debate on general principles and provisions.

**[05:09:25.760] Deputy Speaker Ferjenel G. Biron, M.D.** (asr-004115)  
The Honorable Elijah San Fernando of Partylist Kamanggagawa is recognized. Please proceed.

**[05:09:32.740] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004116)  
Maraming salamat po, Mr. Speaker, at sa ating kagalang-galang na sponsor, Chairperson Mika.

**[05:09:39.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004117)  
Ang una kong katanungan...

**[05:09:42.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004118)  
Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, kinikilala po ng Estado ang fundamental na karapatan ng mga Pilipino sa impormasyon po yung People's Right to Information,

**[05:09:55.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004119)  
Article 3, Section 7 of 1987 Constitution.

**[05:09:59.740] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004120)  
And this simply means, Madam Sponsor, that transparency is paramount in all government proceedings, including the budget deliberations.

**[05:10:09.980] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004121)  
Now, Madam Sponsor, the...

**[05:10:12.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004122)  
The general provisions contain six separate transparency sections.

**[05:10:17.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004123)  
Can the sponsor point to a single provision in the HGAB or the 2027 NEP that gives an ordinary citizen or a duly accredited organization the right to be heard on record before an appropriation is finalized?

**[05:10:39.580] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004124)  
Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[05:10:42.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004125)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Sponsor.

**[05:10:56.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004126)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, there are two stages where there is involvement, not in the GAAP, but the first stage would be during the budget call.

**[05:11:08.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004127)  
So during the budget preparation stage...

**[05:11:12.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004128)  
yun noong budget calendar ng DBM na meron pong consultation sa atin pong mga civil society organizations

**[05:11:21.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004129)  
or kung sino po yung gusto mag-participate in the budget process.

**[05:11:24.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004130)  
In the budget process, on that part po, there is section 54 which pertains to Philippine Open Government Partnership.

**[05:11:40.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004131)  
So, departments, bureaus, offices, and instrumentalities of the national government, etc.,

**[05:11:46.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004132)  
shall adopt the open government partnership values of transparency, accountability, and citizen participation.

**[05:11:53.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004133)  
So, doon po, nabanggit po yun, section 54.

**[05:11:57.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004134)  
We also have it not during the budget deliberations in Congress because that is a legislative function.

**[05:12:05.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004135)  
But while that's not in the GA itself or in the special...

**[05:12:10.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004136)  
or general provisions, we've adopted that, we've institutionalized that.

**[05:12:16.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004137)  
Within the House po, we've formed the task force for people's participation, we've done the people's budget review,

**[05:12:22.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004138)  
we are refining the engagement models with civil society organizations.

**[05:12:28.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004139)  
So, meron din pong ganong engagement.

**[05:12:30.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004140)  
And then, when it comes to implementation, after the GA is passed, marami pong special provisions na nakakalat po sa iba't-ibang ahensya

**[05:12:38.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004141)  
na nag...

**[05:12:40.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004142)  
that allows people's audit for monitoring purposes.

**[05:12:44.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004143)  
I'm sure meron po under the special provision of the Department of Agriculture, for example,

**[05:12:51.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004144)  
wherein a people's audit is allowed for infrastructure and for up-to-market road projects.

**[05:12:57.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004145)  
Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Mrs. Speaker, for pointing that out.

**[05:13:01.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004146)  
Na merong konsultasyon na nagaganap sa agency level bago po umakyat o pumasok dito sa Kongreso.

**[05:13:09.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004147)  
Pero the civil society...

**[05:13:10.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004148)  
the organizations would agree with me, and in fact, partner po natin, ang karamihan sa kanila,

**[05:13:16.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004149)  
na kadalasan po, dito sa mga budget call ng mga ahensya ng gobyerno,

**[05:13:21.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004150)  
hindi naman po talaga napaka-meaningful ng participation ng mga civil society organizations.

**[05:13:26.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004151)  
More often than not, nagiging stampad lang yung mga civil society organizations para lang masabi na merong participation.

**[05:13:33.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004152)  
At maganda po na na-point out ng ating sponsor yung Section 54, which I will proceed to that later, Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[05:13:40.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004153)  
Maganda po, Mr. Speaker, Madam Sponsor, na binanggit ninyo na merong mga mekanismo tungkol sa transparency after the funds are already spent.

**[05:13:51.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004154)  
In fact, if we are going to read together all the sections pertaining to transparency, lahat ito ay pumapatungkol kapag na-spent na o na-gasos na yung pondo.

**[05:14:04.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004155)  
So walang mga probisyon na pumapatungkol doon sa participation ng mga organizations.

**[05:14:10.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004156)  
Inari yung Pilipino o na mga people's organizations, civil society organizations, doon sa proseso ng pagbalangkas pa lang ng budget.

**[05:14:18.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004157)  
Tama po ba ito, Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker?

**[05:14:23.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004158)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, yes, we recognize that point.

**[05:14:27.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004159)  
However, sa gaap po kasi, the special provisions there relate to budget implementation.

**[05:14:36.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004160)  
That's why there are no general or special provisions.

**[05:14:39.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004161)  
That pertain in the deliberation and the formulation of the budget itself.

**[05:14:46.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004162)  
So, yun po, kung titinan po natin, lahat po ng mga general provisions at special provisions na nakapaloob sa budget ay patungkol po sa budget implementation.

**[05:14:55.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004163)  
Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker.

**[05:14:57.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004164)  
Nabanggit po ng sponsor.

**[05:15:00.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004165)  
kanina, yung Section 54 ng

**[05:15:01.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004166)  
General Provisions po natin.

**[05:15:04.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004167)  
And the government shall adopt

**[05:15:05.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004168)  
the values of transparency,

**[05:15:09.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004169)  
accountability,

**[05:15:10.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004170)  
and citizens' participation.

**[05:15:12.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004171)  
Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker,

**[05:15:13.980] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004172)  
what is the operational definition

**[05:15:15.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004173)  
of transparency,

**[05:15:17.920] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004174)  
accountability, and citizens'

**[05:15:20.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004175)  
participation? Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker.

**[05:15:30.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004176)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague,

**[05:15:36.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004177)  
given that the Philippine

**[05:15:38.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004178)  
Open Government Partnership is under

**[05:15:40.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004179)  
the purview of the DBM,

**[05:15:42.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004180)  
so I've deferred to that on

**[05:15:44.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004181)  
the query,

**[05:15:45.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004182)  
we can cite the definitions

**[05:15:47.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004183)  
as stated in the proposed

**[05:15:49.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004184)  
Philippine Budgeting Code. This is

**[05:15:51.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004185)  
still currently a bill under deliberation,

**[05:15:54.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004186)  
but using the

**[05:15:55.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004187)  
definitions here.

**[05:15:58.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004188)  
So transparency means

**[05:15:59.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004189)  
where the relevant

**[05:16:02.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004190)  
information at all stages

**[05:16:04.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004191)  
of the budget cycle is proactively

**[05:16:05.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004192)  
disclosed as may be practicable

**[05:16:08.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004193)  
and where citizen participation is integral

**[05:16:10.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004194)  
in all phases of the budget cycle

**[05:16:11.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004195)  
to promote informed, equitable, and responsive

**[05:16:14.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004196)  
allocation and use of resources.

**[05:16:17.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004197)  
Accountability

**[05:16:18.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004198)  
is defined as

**[05:16:19.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004199)  
where all heads of agencies

**[05:16:22.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004200)  
and instrumentalities of the national government

**[05:16:24.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004201)  
are held responsible for the proper use,

**[05:16:26.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004202)  
management, and safeguarding of government

**[05:16:28.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004203)  
funds and property

**[05:16:29.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004204)  
pertaining to their institutions,

**[05:16:31.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004205)  
ensuring that all actions and expenditures

**[05:16:34.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004206)  
comply with authorized appropriations,

**[05:16:36.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004207)  
laws, rules, and regulations.

**[05:16:39.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004208)  
Citizen participation

**[05:17:10.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004243)  
for

**[05:17:11.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004244)  
citizen

**[05:17:11.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004245)  
participation

**[05:17:12.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004246)  
um

**[05:17:13.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004247)  
also

**[05:17:14.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004248)  
under the same

**[05:17:15.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004249)  
bill

**[05:17:15.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004250)  
section

**[05:17:15.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004251)  
27

**[05:17:16.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004252)  
the government

**[05:17:17.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004253)  
shall establish

**[05:17:17.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004254)  
and implement

**[05:17:18.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004255)  
suitable

**[05:17:18.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004256)  
participatory

**[05:17:19.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004257)  
budget

**[05:17:19.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004258)  
mechanisms

**[05:17:20.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004259)  
to ensure

**[05:17:20.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004260)  
open

**[05:17:21.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004261)  
inclusive

**[05:17:22.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004262)  
transparent

**[05:17:22.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004263)  
and meaningful

**[05:17:23.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004264)  
engagement

**[05:17:23.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004265)  
of citizens

**[05:17:24.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004266)  
and stakeholder

**[05:17:25.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004267)  
during the

**[05:17:26.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004268)  
budget

**[05:17:26.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004269)  
preparation

**[05:17:26.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004270)  
process

**[05:17:27.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004271)  
so

**[05:17:27.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004272)  
yun pa yung

**[05:17:28.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004273)  
technical

**[05:17:29.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004274)  
definitions

**[05:17:29.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004275)  
um

**[05:17:30.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004276)  
so far

**[05:17:30.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004277)  
sa draft

**[05:17:31.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004278)  
pa lang po yun

**[05:17:32.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004279)  
ng Philippine

**[05:17:32.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004280)  
Budgeting Code

**[05:17:33.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004281)  
maraming salamat po

**[05:17:34.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004282)  
sa pagbibigay

**[05:17:35.740] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004283)  
ng ilang mga

**[05:17:36.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004284)  
definisyon

**[05:17:37.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004285)  
tungkol po

**[05:17:37.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004286)  
sa transparency

**[05:17:38.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004287)  
accountability

**[05:17:39.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004288)  
at citizens

**[05:17:40.940] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004289)  
participation

**[05:17:41.980] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004290)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:17:42.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004291)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:17:43.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004292)  
would the sponsor

**[05:17:44.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004293)  
agree with me

**[05:17:44.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004294)  
that

**[05:17:45.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004295)  
transparency

**[05:17:47.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004296)  
is

**[05:17:49.380] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004297)  
accountability

**[05:17:50.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004298)  
and citizens

**[05:17:50.980] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004299)  
participation

**[05:17:52.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004300)  
are integral

**[05:17:53.500] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004301)  
components

**[05:17:54.180] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004302)  
of transparency

**[05:17:55.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004303)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:17:56.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004304)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:17:57.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004305)  
ibig sabihin po

**[05:17:58.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004306)  
transparency

**[05:17:59.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004307)  
cannot stand

**[05:18:00.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004308)  
without accountability

**[05:18:02.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004309)  
and citizens

**[05:18:03.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004310)  
participation

**[05:18:04.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004311)  
especially when

**[05:18:05.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004312)  
we are talking

**[05:18:06.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004313)  
about

**[05:18:06.920] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004314)  
deliberations

**[05:18:08.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004315)  
on budget

**[05:18:08.740] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004316)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:18:09.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004317)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:18:10.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004318)  
I think one

**[05:18:12.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004319)  
is not dependent

**[05:18:13.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004320)  
on the other

**[05:18:14.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004321)  
these three

**[05:18:15.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004322)  
go hand in hand

**[05:18:16.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004323)  
so hindi po siguro

**[05:18:17.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004324)  
one is dependent

**[05:18:19.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004325)  
on the other

**[05:18:20.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004326)  
or meaning

**[05:18:21.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004327)  
subsumed

**[05:18:22.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004328)  
yung transparency

**[05:18:22.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004329)  
under these two

**[05:18:23.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004330)  
but those three

**[05:18:25.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004331)  
are interconnected

**[05:18:25.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004332)  
thank you Madam Sponsor

**[05:18:27.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004333)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:18:27.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004334)  
maganda po

**[05:18:28.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004335)  
ang pinunto

**[05:18:28.940] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004336)  
ng ating

**[05:18:30.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004337)  
kagalang-galang

**[05:18:30.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004338)  
na sponsor

**[05:18:31.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004339)  
na it goes

**[05:18:32.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004340)  
hand in hand

**[05:18:32.920] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004341)  
so po pwede rin po

**[05:18:34.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004342)  
nating masabi

**[05:18:35.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004343)  
na magiging mahirap

**[05:18:37.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004344)  
na mag-exist

**[05:18:38.540] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004345)  
ang transparency

**[05:18:39.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004346)  
without accountability

**[05:18:41.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004347)  
and vice versa

**[05:18:42.540] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004348)  
at isama na rin po

**[05:18:44.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004349)  
natin yung usapin

**[05:18:45.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004350)  
ng

**[05:18:45.540] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004351)  
citizens participation

**[05:18:47.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004352)  
ngayon po Madam Sponsor

**[05:18:48.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004353)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:18:49.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004354)  
given the definition

**[05:18:50.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004355)  
at dun po sa

**[05:18:51.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004356)  
agreement natin

**[05:18:52.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004357)  
on those principles

**[05:18:53.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004358)  
papaano po

**[05:18:55.500] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004359)  
inapply

**[05:18:56.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004360)  
yung prinsipyo

**[05:18:57.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004361)  
ng transparency

**[05:18:58.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004362)  
accountability

**[05:18:59.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004363)  
and citizens participation

**[05:19:01.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004364)  
sa pagbalangkas po

**[05:19:03.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004365)  
ng

**[05:19:03.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004366)  
ng

**[05:19:05.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004367)  
2027 NEP

**[05:19:08.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004368)  
at ng HGAP

**[05:19:09.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004369)  
sa kasalukuyan po

**[05:19:11.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004370)  
kasi 2027 NEP eh

**[05:19:13.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004371)  
so nasimulan po natin

**[05:19:15.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004372)  
itong mga mahalagang

**[05:19:16.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004373)  
reforma na to

**[05:19:16.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004374)  
nung nakalaang taon

**[05:19:18.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004375)  
yung pinakamahalaga po

**[05:19:19.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004376)  
this is

**[05:19:20.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004377)  
probably the biggest

**[05:19:21.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004378)  
transparency related

**[05:19:23.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004379)  
reform we've done

**[05:19:24.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004380)  
which is

**[05:19:25.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004381)  
we've abolished

**[05:19:26.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004382)  
the small committee

**[05:19:27.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004383)  
which

**[05:19:28.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004384)  
was perceived

**[05:19:29.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004385)  
as a very opaque

**[05:19:30.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004386)  
behind the scenes

**[05:19:32.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004387)  
process in the past

**[05:19:33.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004388)  
so wala na po

**[05:19:35.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004389)  
yung small committee

**[05:19:36.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004390)  
ngayon po

**[05:19:37.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004391)  
lahat ng mga amienda

**[05:19:38.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004392)  
ay tinatalakay

**[05:19:39.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004393)  
ng bukas

**[05:19:40.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004394)  
sa publiko

**[05:19:41.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004395)  
nakikita po

**[05:19:41.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004396)  
na ating mga kabayan

**[05:19:43.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004397)  
line by line

**[05:19:44.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004398)  
yung ating mga amienda

**[05:19:45.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004399)  
pangalawa po

**[05:19:47.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004400)  
sa level din po

**[05:19:49.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004401)  
ng

**[05:19:49.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004402)  
ng kongreso

**[05:19:50.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004403)  
yung citizens participation po

**[05:19:52.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004404)  
although we are still

**[05:19:53.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004405)  
refining the engagement models

**[05:19:55.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004406)  
as we go along

**[05:19:56.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004407)  
in institution

**[05:19:57.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004408)  
lies na rin po natin

**[05:19:59.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004409)  
yung people's budget review

**[05:20:00.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004410)  
at yung

**[05:20:01.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004411)  
yung

**[05:20:03.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004412)  
abilidad na ating mga

**[05:20:05.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004413)  
civil society organizations

**[05:20:06.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004414)  
na makapagtanong

**[05:20:07.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004415)  
sa mga ahensya na gobyerno

**[05:20:08.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004416)  
sa kahabahan po

**[05:20:10.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004417)  
ng mga committee hearings

**[05:20:11.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004418)  
sa pamamagitan po

**[05:20:12.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004419)  
ng ating mga vice chairpersons

**[05:20:14.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004420)  
at tuloy-tuloy po

**[05:20:15.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004421)  
yung kanilang engagement

**[05:20:16.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004422)  
we've also

**[05:20:17.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004423)  
put together po

**[05:20:19.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004424)  
at kaka

**[05:20:20.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004425)  
start lang po

**[05:20:21.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004426)  
sa congress website

**[05:20:23.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004427)  
noong portal natin

**[05:20:25.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004428)  
para sa mga civil society

**[05:20:26.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004429)  
organizations

**[05:20:27.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004430)  
nabanggit po kasi

**[05:20:28.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004431)  
na paminsan

**[05:20:29.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004432)  
medyo nahihirapan

**[05:20:30.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004433)  
sa namakuha yung mga dokumento

**[05:20:31.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004434)  
so in the spirit of

**[05:20:33.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004435)  
transparency

**[05:20:34.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004436)  
and close coordination

**[05:20:36.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004437)  
nagsimula na po tayo

**[05:20:38.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004438)  
noong portal na yun

**[05:20:39.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004439)  
at isa pa po

**[05:20:40.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004440)  
sa pinakamahalaga

**[05:20:41.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004441)  
ay yung ating

**[05:20:43.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004442)  
pagsagawa

**[05:20:44.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004443)  
ng unang

**[05:20:45.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004444)  
open bicam

**[05:20:47.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004445)  
sa kasaysayan

**[05:20:47.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004446)  
ng ating bansa

**[05:20:48.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004447)  
na yun dati po

**[05:20:50.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004448)  
ay

**[05:20:50.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004449)  
hindi po nakikita

**[05:20:52.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004450)  
kung ano yung

**[05:20:53.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004451)  
deliberasyon

**[05:20:54.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004452)  
ng bicam

**[05:20:55.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004453)  
nakita po yan

**[05:20:56.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004454)  
ng ating mga

**[05:20:57.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004455)  
kababayan

**[05:20:58.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004456)  
anim na araw

**[05:20:58.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004457)  
hanggang madaling araw po

**[05:21:00.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004458)  
linivestream po natin

**[05:21:03.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004459)  
yung bicam

**[05:21:03.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004460)  
so we started

**[05:21:05.300] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004461)  
these meaningful reforms

**[05:21:06.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004462)  
last year

**[05:21:08.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004463)  
and although

**[05:21:08.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004464)  
there are still

**[05:21:09.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004465)  
some

**[05:21:10.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004466)  
minor

**[05:21:12.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004467)  
like minor

**[05:21:13.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004468)  
and major tweaks

**[05:21:13.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004469)  
that we would have to do

**[05:21:14.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004470)  
to refine these

**[05:21:15.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004471)  
engagement models

**[05:21:17.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004472)  
talaga pong

**[05:21:18.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004473)  
isinasa po

**[05:21:19.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004474)  
natin yan

**[05:21:20.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004475)  
at

**[05:21:21.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004476)  
panghuli po

**[05:21:22.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004477)  
ang mahalaga din po

**[05:21:23.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004478)  
kung makikita nyo po

**[05:21:24.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004479)  
sa mga special provisions

**[05:21:25.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004480)  
sa iba't ibang mga ahensya

**[05:21:26.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004481)  
lalo na po

**[05:21:27.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004482)  
yung mga ahensya

**[05:21:29.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004483)  
na merong imprestruktura

**[05:21:30.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004484)  
makikita nyo po doon

**[05:21:32.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004485)  
naglagay po tayo

**[05:21:33.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004486)  
ng mga requirement

**[05:21:34.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004487)  
na kailangan maglagay

**[05:21:36.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004488)  
yung iba't ibang ahensya

**[05:21:37.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004489)  
ng mga

**[05:21:38.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004490)  
transparency portals

**[05:21:40.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004491)  
or monitoring portals

**[05:21:41.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004492)  
para po sa kanilang

**[05:21:43.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004493)  
mga infrastructure

**[05:21:43.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004494)  
projects

**[05:21:45.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004495)  
so yun po

**[05:21:46.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004496)  
ay ating

**[05:21:46.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004497)  
idinagdag

**[05:21:47.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004498)  
sa level po

**[05:21:48.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004499)  
ng ating pagbalangkas

**[05:21:50.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004500)  
ng budget

**[05:21:50.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004501)  
Maraming salamat po

**[05:21:52.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004502)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:21:52.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004503)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:21:53.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004504)  
bagamat na

**[05:21:54.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004505)  
appreciate po natin

**[05:21:55.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004506)  
ang pagtalakay

**[05:21:56.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004507)  
sa ilang mga reports

**[05:21:57.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004508)  
and informa

**[05:21:57.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004509)  
the civil society organizations

**[05:22:00.060] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004510)  
would say otherwise

**[05:22:01.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004511)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:22:02.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004512)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:22:02.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004513)  
in fact

**[05:22:03.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004514)  
sinabi po

**[05:22:04.940] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004515)  
ng People's Budget Coalition

**[05:22:06.500] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004516)  
sa People's Budget Review

**[05:22:08.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004517)  
hindi po sapat

**[05:22:10.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004518)  
o hindi meaningful participation

**[05:22:12.300] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004519)  
ang tatlong minutong

**[05:22:14.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004520)  
ibinigay

**[05:22:15.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004521)  
sa bawat

**[05:22:16.300] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004522)  
civil society organizations

**[05:22:18.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004523)  
alam nyo po

**[05:22:19.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004524)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:22:19.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004525)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:22:20.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004526)  
ang nangyari po

**[05:22:21.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004527)  
ay nag-imbitalang

**[05:22:22.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004528)  
ng mga civil society organizations

**[05:22:23.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004529)  
ng People's Budget Review

**[05:22:25.060] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004530)  
kung saan

**[05:22:26.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004531)  
tatlong minuto

**[05:22:27.300] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004532)  
lang

**[05:22:27.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004533)  
ang ibinigay

**[05:22:28.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004534)  
sa bawat isang CSO

**[05:22:29.940] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004535)  
hindi po sapat

**[05:22:31.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004536)  
ang tatlong minuto

**[05:22:32.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004537)  
Madam Speaker

**[05:22:33.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004538)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:22:34.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004539)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:22:35.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004540)  
para talakayin

**[05:22:36.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004541)  
buo

**[05:22:37.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004542)  
o komprehensibo

**[05:22:39.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004543)  
yung mga nais

**[05:22:40.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004544)  
na reforma

**[05:22:41.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004545)  
ng mga civil society

**[05:22:42.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004546)  
organizations

**[05:22:43.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004547)  
in fact

**[05:22:44.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004548)  
if I may quote

**[05:22:44.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004549)  
one of the members

**[05:22:46.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004550)  
of People's Budget Coalition

**[05:22:47.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004551)  
Madam Ziza

**[05:22:49.740] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004552)  
Nadine Susara

**[05:22:50.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004553)  
what exactly

**[05:22:52.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004554)  
was covered

**[05:22:52.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004555)  
by the People's Budget Review

**[05:22:54.380] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004556)  
today

**[05:22:54.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004557)  
this pertains

**[05:22:55.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004558)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:22:56.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004559)  
to the People's Budget Review

**[05:22:57.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004560)  
that was conducted

**[05:22:58.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004561)  
by the Committee on Appropriations

**[05:23:00.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004562)  
which agency

**[05:23:01.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004563)  
program budgets

**[05:23:02.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004564)  
were presented

**[05:23:02.940] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004565)  
and discussed

**[05:23:03.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004566)  
nothing

**[05:23:04.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004567)  
were CSOs

**[05:23:06.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004568)  
given a chance

**[05:23:07.180] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004569)  
to explain their proposals

**[05:23:08.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004570)  
no

**[05:23:09.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004571)  
they were only given

**[05:23:11.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004572)  
three minutes

**[05:23:12.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004573)  
to speak

**[05:23:13.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004574)  
how the heck

**[05:23:14.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004575)  
can anyone

**[05:23:15.380] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004576)  
explain a technical proposal

**[05:23:16.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004577)  
in such short

**[05:23:18.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004578)  
a time

**[05:23:18.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004579)  
which CSO

**[05:23:20.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004580)  
inputs

**[05:23:21.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004581)  
did the Committee on Appropriations

**[05:23:22.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004582)  
consider

**[05:23:23.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004583)  
none

**[05:23:24.040] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004584)  
what did they commit

**[05:23:25.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004585)  
to include

**[05:23:26.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004586)  
in the 2027

**[05:23:27.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004587)  
gov

**[05:23:27.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004588)  
none

**[05:23:28.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004589)  
are they going

**[05:23:30.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004590)  
to publish a report

**[05:23:31.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004591)  
on the proceedings

**[05:23:31.980] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004592)  
ewan

**[05:23:32.920] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004593)  
are they going

**[05:23:34.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004594)  
to post photos

**[05:23:34.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004595)  
oh for sure

**[05:23:35.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004596)  
meron nga eh

**[05:23:36.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004597)  
so ang naramdaman po

**[05:23:37.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004598)  
ng mga civil society

**[05:23:38.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004599)  
organizations dito

**[05:23:39.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004600)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:23:40.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004601)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:23:41.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004602)  
e naging palamuti lang

**[05:23:42.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004603)  
ang mga CSOs

**[05:23:43.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004604)  
doon sa tinatawag natin

**[05:23:44.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004605)  
na People's

**[05:23:45.540] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004606)  
Budget Review

**[05:23:46.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004607)  
hindi po nila nakita

**[05:23:48.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004608)  
yung pagsasalubungan

**[05:23:49.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004609)  
ng mga konsepto

**[05:23:50.740] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004610)  
ng transparency

**[05:23:51.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004611)  
accountability

**[05:23:52.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004612)  
at citizens

**[05:23:53.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004613)  
participation

**[05:23:53.980] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004614)  
now would the sponsor

**[05:23:55.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004615)  
agree with me

**[05:23:56.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004616)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:23:56.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004617)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:23:57.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004618)  
that transparency

**[05:23:59.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004619)  
is not just about

**[05:24:00.500] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004620)  
live streaming

**[05:24:01.180] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004621)  
of the proceedings

**[05:24:02.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004622)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:24:02.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004623)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:24:03.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004624)  
Siguro

**[05:24:04.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004625)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:24:05.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004626)  
I would like to clarify

**[05:24:06.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004627)  
a point

**[05:24:06.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004628)  
the People's Budget Review

**[05:24:08.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004629)  
and the format

**[05:24:09.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004630)  
and the way

**[05:24:09.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004631)  
it was conducted

**[05:24:10.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004632)  
the number of minutes

**[05:24:11.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004633)  
that were allocated

**[05:24:13.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004634)  
to each of the

**[05:24:14.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004635)  
different CSOs

**[05:24:16.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004636)  
to present

**[05:24:16.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004637)  
that was not

**[05:24:17.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004638)  
under the purview

**[05:24:18.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004639)  
of the Committee

**[05:24:18.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004640)  
on Appropriations

**[05:24:19.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004641)  
it was the

**[05:24:21.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004642)  
CPBRD

**[05:24:22.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004643)  
which is the head

**[05:24:24.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004644)  
of the House

**[05:24:25.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004645)  
Task Force

**[05:24:26.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004646)  
on People's

**[05:24:27.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004647)  
Participation

**[05:24:28.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004648)  
who set forth

**[05:24:29.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004649)  
all of that

**[05:24:30.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004650)  
in fairness

**[05:24:31.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004651)  
to the Committee

**[05:24:32.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004652)  
on Appropriations

**[05:24:33.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004653)  
the Vice Chairpersons

**[05:24:35.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004654)  
who were assigned

**[05:24:36.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004655)  
to sponsor

**[05:24:37.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004656)  
the agencies

**[05:24:39.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004657)  
and the sectors

**[05:24:41.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004658)  
that were represented

**[05:24:42.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004659)  
by the different

**[05:24:43.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004660)  
civil society

**[05:24:44.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004661)  
organizations

**[05:24:45.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004662)  
sinigurado po namin

**[05:24:46.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004663)  
tinanong pa namin

**[05:24:48.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004664)  
alin pong mga

**[05:24:49.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004665)  
sektor

**[05:24:49.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004666)  
yung represented

**[05:24:50.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004667)  
ng mga CSOs

**[05:24:52.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004668)  
pumunta po

**[05:24:53.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004669)  
yung Vice Chairperson

**[05:24:54.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004670)  
ng Committee

**[05:24:54.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004671)  
on Appropriations

**[05:24:55.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004672)  
na

**[05:24:56.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004673)  
um

**[05:24:57.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004674)  
,

**[05:24:57.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004675)  
na-assigned po

**[05:24:59.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004676)  
doon po sa sektor na yun

**[05:25:00.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004677)  
so on the part of the Committee

**[05:25:01.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004678)  
on Appropriations

**[05:25:02.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004679)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:25:04.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004680)  
Distinguished Colleague

**[05:25:05.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004681)  
we did our part

**[05:25:06.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004682)  
in a sense na

**[05:25:07.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004683)  
we made sure

**[05:25:08.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004684)  
there was representation

**[05:25:10.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004685)  
for the different sectors

**[05:25:12.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004686)  
and

**[05:25:12.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004687)  
finally po

**[05:25:13.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004688)  
yung sa commitment po

**[05:25:15.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004689)  
actually po

**[05:25:16.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004690)  
no one member

**[05:25:18.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004691)  
not even

**[05:25:19.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004692)  
myself

**[05:25:20.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004693)  
can commit

**[05:25:22.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004694)  
point blank

**[05:25:23.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004695)  
on a particular

**[05:25:25.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004696)  
funding

**[05:25:25.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004697)  
for a particular project

**[05:25:27.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004698)  
or a program

**[05:25:28.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004699)  
because all of these

**[05:25:29.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004700)  
amendments

**[05:25:30.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004701)  
would have to go through

**[05:25:31.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004702)  
the deliberation

**[05:25:32.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004703)  
of the BARC

**[05:25:33.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004704)  
and the

**[05:25:34.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004705)  
and um

**[05:25:35.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004706)  
and approved

**[05:25:36.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004707)  
um by the body

**[05:25:37.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004708)  
and by the plenary

**[05:25:38.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004709)  
so siguro po

**[05:25:39.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004710)  
naiintindihan ko po

**[05:25:40.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004711)  
yung

**[05:25:41.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004712)  
um

**[05:25:42.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004713)  
yung pagnanais

**[05:25:43.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004714)  
ng commitment

**[05:25:44.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004715)  
ng Diretso

**[05:25:45.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004716)  
pero

**[05:25:46.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004717)  
um I would like to

**[05:25:47.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004718)  
clarify po

**[05:25:48.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004719)  
that there is

**[05:25:49.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004720)  
no one member

**[05:25:50.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004721)  
no Vice Chairperson

**[05:25:51.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004722)  
not even the Chairperson

**[05:25:52.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004723)  
of the Committee

**[05:25:53.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004724)  
on Appropriations

**[05:25:54.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004725)  
who can commit

**[05:25:55.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004726)  
on a specific funding

**[05:25:56.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004727)  
right then and there

**[05:25:57.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004728)  
but in terms

**[05:25:58.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004729)  
of considering

**[05:25:59.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004730)  
the amendments po

**[05:26:00.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004731)  
um

**[05:26:01.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004732)  
we definitely

**[05:26:02.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004733)  
took note

**[05:26:03.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004734)  
we definitely

**[05:26:04.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004735)  
uh

**[05:26:05.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004736)  
are making sure

**[05:26:06.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004737)  
that their inputs

**[05:26:07.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004738)  
at the time

**[05:26:08.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004739)  
um

**[05:26:09.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004740)  
will be incorporated

**[05:26:10.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004741)  
in the deliberations

**[05:26:11.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004742)  
of the BARC

**[05:26:12.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004743)  
last year po

**[05:26:13.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004744)  
um

**[05:26:14.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004745)  
yung mga nabanggit nila

**[05:26:15.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004746)  
additional funding

**[05:26:16.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004747)  
for classrooms

**[05:26:17.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004748)  
additional funding

**[05:26:18.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004749)  
for transportation

**[05:26:19.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004750)  
initiatives

**[05:26:20.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004751)  
additional funding

**[05:26:21.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004752)  
for health

**[05:26:22.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004753)  
initiatives

**[05:26:23.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004754)  
climate initiatives

**[05:26:24.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004755)  
all of those

**[05:26:25.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004756)  
were considered

**[05:26:26.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004757)  
by the 2026 GAA

**[05:26:28.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004758)  
so our request po

**[05:26:29.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004759)  
please give us time

**[05:26:30.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004760)  
as we move forward

**[05:26:31.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004761)  
with the

**[05:26:32.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004762)  
deliberation

**[05:26:33.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004763)  
of the amendments

**[05:26:34.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004764)  
but rest assured po

**[05:26:35.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004765)  
their input

**[05:26:36.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004766)  
inputs are

**[05:26:37.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004767)  
um

**[05:26:38.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004768)  
being considered

**[05:26:39.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004769)  
by the House

**[05:26:40.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004770)  
maganda po

**[05:26:41.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004771)  
na nabanggit

**[05:26:42.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004772)  
ng kagalang-galang

**[05:26:43.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004773)  
na sponsor

**[05:26:44.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004774)  
Mrs. Speaker

**[05:26:45.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004775)  
na hindi naman daw

**[05:26:46.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004776)  
Committee on Appropriations

**[05:26:47.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004777)  
yung nagli-lead

**[05:26:48.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004778)  
ng People's Budget Review

**[05:26:49.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004779)  
paggos

**[05:26:50.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004780)  
ito'y pinangungunahan

**[05:26:51.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004781)  
ng CPBRD

**[05:26:52.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004782)  
so ang tanong po

**[05:26:53.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004783)  
Mrs. Speaker

**[05:26:54.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004784)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:26:55.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004785)  
why was the People's Budget Review

**[05:26:57.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004786)  
conducted by the

**[05:26:58.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004787)  
CPBRD

**[05:26:59.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004788)  
which has

**[05:27:00.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004789)  
no authority

**[05:27:01.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004790)  
to adopt

**[05:27:02.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004791)  
or reject

**[05:27:03.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004792)  
any budget proposal

**[05:27:04.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004793)  
rather than

**[05:27:05.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004794)  
by the Committee

**[05:27:06.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004795)  
on Appropriations

**[05:27:07.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004796)  
itself

**[05:27:08.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004797)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:27:09.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004798)  
Mrs. Speaker

**[05:27:10.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004799)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:27:11.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004800)  
um

**[05:27:12.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004801)  
the reason for that

**[05:27:13.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004802)  
is when

**[05:27:14.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004803)  
the House constituted

**[05:27:15.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004804)  
the House

**[05:27:16.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004805)  
um

**[05:27:17.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004806)  
Task Force

**[05:27:18.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004807)  
on People's Participation

**[05:27:19.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004808)  
yung CPBRD po

**[05:27:20.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004809)  
yung

**[05:27:21.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004810)  
um

**[05:27:22.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004811)  
in-assign

**[05:27:23.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004812)  
as the head

**[05:27:24.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004813)  
of that particular

**[05:27:25.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004814)  
task force

**[05:27:26.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004815)  
the reason being

**[05:27:27.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004816)  
um

**[05:27:28.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004817)  
in terms of engagement

**[05:27:29.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004818)  
po

**[05:27:30.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004819)  
um

**[05:27:31.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004820)  
the Committee on Appropriations

**[05:27:32.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004821)  
po kasi handles

**[05:27:33.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004822)  
the budget itself

**[05:27:34.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004823)  
um

**[05:27:35.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004824)  
so

**[05:27:36.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004825)  
kailangan po namin

**[05:27:37.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004826)  
ng tulong

**[05:27:38.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004827)  
na meron pong

**[05:27:39.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004828)  
ibang

**[05:27:40.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004829)  
opisina

**[05:27:41.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004830)  
within Congress

**[05:27:42.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004831)  
who would help us out

**[05:27:43.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004832)  
also with all the

**[05:27:44.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004833)  
coordination

**[05:27:45.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004834)  
logistics

**[05:27:46.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004835)  
um

**[05:27:47.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004836)  
and the

**[05:27:48.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004837)  
the continuous

**[05:27:49.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004838)  
engagement po

**[05:27:50.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004839)  
so

**[05:27:51.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004840)  
um

**[05:27:52.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004841)  
that is

**[05:27:53.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004842)  
simply the reason po

**[05:27:54.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004843)  
the House Task Force

**[05:27:55.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004844)  
on People's Participation

**[05:27:56.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004845)  
was constituted

**[05:27:57.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004846)  
CPBRD

**[05:27:58.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004847)  
was the one assigned

**[05:27:59.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004848)  
to head such task force

**[05:28:01.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004849)  
Thank you Madam Sponsor

**[05:28:02.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004850)  
Mrs. Speaker

**[05:28:03.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004851)  
Alam niyo po

**[05:28:04.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004852)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:28:05.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004853)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:28:06.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004854)  
kaya ako po pinupoint out

**[05:28:07.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004855)  
itong mga katanungan nito

**[05:28:08.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004856)  
dahil 20 years ago

**[05:28:09.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004857)  
in this August Chamber

**[05:28:10.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004858)  
the Committee on Appropriations

**[05:28:12.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004859)  
had broken tradition

**[05:28:14.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004860)  
after it approved

**[05:28:16.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004861)  
on 17 September 2007

**[05:28:19.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004862)  
the participation of

**[05:28:21.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004863)  
bona fide people's

**[05:28:22.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004864)  
organizations

**[05:28:23.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004865)  
and non-government

**[05:28:24.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004866)  
organizations

**[05:28:25.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004867)  
in public hearings

**[05:28:27.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004868)  
on the General Appropriations

**[05:28:29.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004869)  
Bill

**[05:28:30.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004870)  
hindi lang po sila

**[05:28:31.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004871)  
simpleng spectator

**[05:28:32.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004872)  
or observer

**[05:28:33.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004873)  
Madam Sponsor

**[05:28:34.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004874)  
hindi lang po sila

**[05:28:35.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004875)  
simpleng pinagpasa

**[05:28:36.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004876)  
ng mga papel

**[05:28:37.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004877)  
kung ano ang tingin nila

**[05:28:38.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004878)  
doon sa pambansang

**[05:28:39.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004879)  
budget

**[05:28:40.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004880)  
kundi sila po

**[05:28:41.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004881)  
ay aktibong

**[05:28:42.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004882)  
inimbita

**[05:28:43.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004883)  
bilang mga

**[05:28:44.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004884)  
resource persons

**[05:28:46.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004885)  
para maging kalahok

**[05:28:47.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004886)  
themselves

**[05:28:49.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004887)  
sa pagbalangkas

**[05:28:50.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004888)  
at pagbusisi po

**[05:28:51.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004889)  
sa pambansang budget

**[05:28:52.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004890)  
and this reform

**[05:28:53.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004891)  
structural reform

**[05:28:55.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004892)  
was spearheaded

**[05:28:57.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004893)  
by no other than

**[05:28:58.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004894)  
the late honorable

**[05:28:59.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004895)  
Edsel Lagman

**[05:29:01.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004896)  
he believed

**[05:29:02.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004897)  
and he argued then

**[05:29:03.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004898)  
he was the Committee

**[05:29:04.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004899)  
of Appropriations Chair

**[05:29:06.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004900)  
during that time

**[05:29:07.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004901)  
he argued

**[05:29:08.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004902)  
that the traditional

**[05:29:09.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004903)  
practice

**[05:29:10.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004904)  
of limiting

**[05:29:11.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004905)  
budget briefings

**[05:29:12.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004906)  
and deliberations

**[05:29:13.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004907)  
and hearings

**[05:29:14.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004908)  
solely to

**[05:29:15.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004909)  
government department

**[05:29:16.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004910)  
heads

**[05:29:17.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004911)  
and representatives

**[05:29:18.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004912)  
was an incomplete

**[05:29:20.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004913)  
process

**[05:29:21.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004914)  
and that the people

**[05:29:23.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004915)  
as the ultimate beneficiaries

**[05:29:26.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004916)  
or casualties

**[05:29:27.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004917)  
of budget allocations

**[05:29:29.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004918)  
should be given

**[05:29:30.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004919)  
the opportunity

**[05:29:31.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004920)  
to be heard

**[05:29:32.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004921)  
through their non-elective

**[05:29:33.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004922)  
and alternative representatives

**[05:29:35.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004923)  
in the people's organizations

**[05:29:37.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004924)  
and non-government

**[05:29:38.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004925)  
organizations community

**[05:29:40.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004926)  
alam niyo po napakalaking

**[05:29:41.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004927)  
reforma ang ginawa

**[05:29:42.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004928)  
during that time

**[05:29:43.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004929)  
he argued

**[05:29:44.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004930)  
the late honorable

**[05:29:45.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004931)  
Edsel Lagman

**[05:29:46.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004932)  
argued that

**[05:29:47.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004933)  
way back in 2007

**[05:29:49.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004934)  
and this representation

**[05:29:50.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004935)  
delivers it

**[05:29:51.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004936)  
until now

**[05:29:52.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004937)  
na kailangan po

**[05:29:53.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004938)  
na hindi lang

**[05:29:54.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004939)  
spectator at observer

**[05:29:55.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004940)  
ang mga people's

**[05:29:56.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004941)  
organizations

**[05:29:57.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004942)  
and in fact

**[05:29:58.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004943)  
during this time

**[05:29:59.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004944)  
Mr. Speaker

**[05:30:00.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004945)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, inimbita po ang mga civil society organizations to present yung tinatawag na Alternative Budget Initiative, ABI.

**[05:30:11.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004946)  
At ang mga civil society organizations na po na ito noon ay kasama at kaibigan pa rin po natin hanggang ngayon.

**[05:30:18.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004947)  
These are the Social Watch Philippines and other civil society organizations.

**[05:30:21.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004948)  
So ito po yung pinupunto natin Madam Sponsor, Mr. Speaker, na pagdating po sa pagre-reforma patungkol sa transparency, accountability, at citizens' participation,

**[05:30:32.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004949)  
our CSOs demand not a tokenistic, hindi po tokenistic na ibibigay sa kanila na isang espasyo kung saan magiging observer lang po sila,

**[05:30:42.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004950)  
o pagpapasahin natin ang mga papel patungkol dun sa mga reformang gusto natin.

**[05:30:47.060] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004951)  
So ano po ang tingin dito ng kagalang-galang na sponsor, Mr. Speaker?

**[05:30:52.180] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004952)  
Madam Speaker?

**[05:30:54.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004953)  
Mr. Speaker, the engagement guidelines po, to be honest, are not drafted by the Committee on Appropriations.

**[05:31:01.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004954)  
In terms of what would be the level of participation po, again, that is under the purview of the CPBRD.

**[05:31:07.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004955)  
But I have the greatest respect for the Honorable Edson Lagman, and I really admire all the reforms that he put forth when he was Chairman of the Committee on Appropriations.

**[05:31:19.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004956)  
So we will look into it po.

**[05:31:22.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004957)  
Again, we started it last year to engage the civil society organizations after so many, like more than a decade of not having engaged them.

**[05:31:33.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004958)  
So please give us some time po.

**[05:31:35.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004959)  
We will look into all of these engagement models.

**[05:31:40.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004960)  
Here with us is Representative Chrisel.

**[05:31:43.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004961)  
You know po how much I love Kong Edsel.

**[05:31:45.620] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004962)  
So we will look at all of these and the models that were employed during the time of Chairperson.

**[05:31:51.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004963)  
Edsel Lagman.

**[05:31:52.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004964)  
Maraming salamat po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:31:56.580] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004965)  
Ang nais lamang po nating ipunto dito, hindi naman po natin po pwedeng laging ituro na CPBRD ang nag-head o nagsispearhead ng maganyang reformang o aktibidad.

**[05:32:07.300] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004966)  
Dapat po ang mismong Committee on Appropriations ang siyang nangunguna at nagtitiyak na ang ating mga kasama sa civil society organizations

**[05:32:15.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004967)  
ay nagiging kabahagi o aktibong kabahagi ng pagbabalangkas ng ating pambansang budget.

**[05:32:21.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004968)  
Now Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[05:32:23.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004969)  
will the Sponsor accept an amendment at the appropriate time requiring that the detailed breakdown of every lump sum appropriation including the LGSF and the FALGU be published in machine readable form under the Unified Accounts Code Structure at the time the National Expenditure Program is transmitted to Congress?

**[05:32:51.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004970)  
We will hear it at the proper time, Madam Speaker.

**[05:32:55.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004971)  
We will hear it during the proper time, during the deliberations po, as to which amendment the Honorable San Fernando wants to put forth.

**[05:33:05.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004972)  
Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:33:07.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004973)  
Table 8.6 of the Budget Expenditure and Sources of Financing was released as an image rather than as data.

**[05:33:16.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004974)  
Was that a deliberate choice and can the DBM be directed to reissue the entire DBM?

**[05:33:21.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004975)  
The majority of the budget, the NEP and the BESF in a machine readable format before this bill is put to a vote.

**[05:33:28.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004976)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:33:31.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004977)  
We'll take a look at it po, given that the HGAB is a reflection, is a mirror image of the National Expenditure Program.

**[05:33:40.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004978)  
So we are checking po with DBM as they are the source for that particular table.

**[05:33:45.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004979)  
Give me a few seconds po to confer with DBM.

**[05:33:49.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004980)  
May we clarify lang po, Madam Speaker.

**[05:33:51.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004981)  
Which table number is it po alet?

**[05:33:55.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004982)  
Table 8.6 of the BESF.

**[05:34:02.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004983)  
So pwede po bang i-direct natin ang DBM to issue the entirety of the budget, the NEP and BESF in machine read?

**[05:34:09.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004984)  
Actually, matagal na pong problema ito ng mga CSOs, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:34:14.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004985)  
Hindi po machine readable yung format ng mga dokumento natin, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:34:19.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004986)  
The uploaded version po.

**[05:34:21.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004987)  
Tine-check po, tine-test po ni Sec Kim ngayon.

**[05:34:24.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004988)  
The uploaded version is actually copyable.

**[05:34:29.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004989)  
It's not an image. It's a table po.

**[05:34:32.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004990)  
So our partners from CSOs will just confirm that.

**[05:34:36.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004991)  
Maraming salamat po if the good secretary has confirmed that.

**[05:34:39.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004992)  
We'll just take a look po if whether when it was translated in the soft copy of the GAB,

**[05:34:44.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004993)  
whether the same table was lifted as is or it was converted to an image.

**[05:34:50.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004994)  
Ado po.

**[05:34:51.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004995)  
Hindi sinasadya.

**[05:34:53.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004996)  
Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:34:55.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004997)  
Proceeding to my next question, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:34:58.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004998)  
Section 106 allows the Commission on Audit until 31st October of the following year

**[05:35:04.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-004999)  
to publish annual audit reports which is after the budget hearings for the succeeding year have concluded.

**[05:35:12.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005000)  
In the appropriate time, will the sponsor accept an amendment advancing that deadline

**[05:35:17.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005001)  
so that the audited record of the preceding year is available?

**[05:35:21.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005002)  
While we are still deliberating, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:35:26.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005003)  
Mr. Speaker, Madam Speaker, I would be happy to hear that at the proper time.

**[05:35:31.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005004)  
Actually, that was something that I advocated for last year.

**[05:35:34.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005005)  
If you would remember, during the budget deliberations of COA, it was later.

**[05:35:39.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005006)  
Dati po, December 31.

**[05:35:42.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005007)  
Pero, ado po, we negotiated po kasi with COA kung ano talaga yung kaya nila

**[05:35:48.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005008)  
because there are also deadlines.

**[05:35:50.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005009)  
From the agencies and then may consolidation pa po on the part of COA.

**[05:35:56.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005010)  
So, at that time, last year, the best that they can commit was October 31

**[05:36:02.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005011)  
and whichever becomes available by September 31, they would publish or transmit right away.

**[05:36:08.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005012)  
So, actually, po sinubukan ko din po yun.

**[05:36:10.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005013)  
I actually requested last year kung kaya sana by July 30 or July 1 before the NEP is transmitted to us.

**[05:36:19.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005014)  
But at that time,

**[05:36:20.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005015)  
there were certain logistical limitations on the part of COA.

**[05:36:24.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005016)  
But I'm with you on that po because I tried last year also to move up the timeline by a lot.

**[05:36:30.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005017)  
Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:36:32.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005018)  
At nagkatagpo po kami ni Madam Sponsor on that particular issue.

**[05:36:36.920] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005019)  
Last question before I wind up, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:36:40.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005020)  
Interpolation on the office of the President was suspended by a vote of 37-5

**[05:36:45.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005021)  
on parliamentary courtesy

**[05:36:49.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005022)  
and the question is,

**[05:36:50.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005023)  
questions on 4.55 billion in confidential and intelligence funds when unasked.

**[05:36:57.260] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005024)  
On what constitutional basis can a custom of courtesy defeat the duty of this Chamber

**[05:37:03.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005025)  
to examine an appropriation and will those questions be answered in writing

**[05:37:09.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005026)  
or even in this plenary discussion before the bill is passed, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

**[05:37:16.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005027)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, most definitely po.

**[05:37:19.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005028)  
We will be able to assure there is a plenary deliberation for the office of the President

**[05:37:26.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005029)  
and all of our colleagues who wish to propound questions has the time to ask the budget sponsor for the office of the President.

**[05:37:38.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005030)  
So lahat po ng katanungan pwede po maitanong dito po sa deliberation ng office of the President sa plenaryo at the proper time.

**[05:37:46.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005031)  
Maraming salamat, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[05:37:49.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005032)  
Last note, before I end my interpellation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[05:37:53.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005033)  
gusto ko lang pong bigyang diin yung pinag-usapan po natin kanina tungkol sa mga reformang naumpisahan

**[05:38:00.060] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005034)  
at inuumpisahan patungkol sa partisipasyon ng mamamayan sa pagbalangkas po ng ating budget.

**[05:38:07.060] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005035)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, hindi po po pwede na lagi po nating sinasabi

**[05:38:11.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005036)  
na transparent ang buong proseso ng pagbalangkas o paggawa ng budget

**[05:38:16.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005037)  
at nililimitahan lang natin ito sa pamamagitan na,

**[05:38:19.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005038)  
naka-livestream yung mga proceedings.

**[05:38:23.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005039)  
Transparency, accountability, and citizens' participation go hand-in-hand.

**[05:38:27.540] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005040)  
At matitiyak lang po natin na tunay na may participation ang ating mamamayan

**[05:38:31.920] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005041)  
kung sila po ay mismong kalahok kasama nating nagbabalangkas

**[05:38:35.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005042)  
because the ultimate beneficiary, and as the Honorable Late Edsel Agman has said,

**[05:38:41.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005043)  
the ultimate beneficiary or casualty of whatever we are deliberating upon here in this August Chamber

**[05:38:48.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005044)  
ay ang

**[05:38:49.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005045)  
mga mamamayan at ang mamamayang Pilipino, mga manggagawa, at ordinaryong Pilipino.

**[05:38:55.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005046)  
Yun lamang po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, maraming salamat po sa ating sponsor sa pagsagot sa mga katanungan,

**[05:39:01.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-005047)  
lalong-lalo na ng ating mga CSOs and POs. Maraming salamat po.

**[05:39:05.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005048)  
Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. Thank you very much to our distinguished colleague, the Honorable Elie San Fernando.

**[05:39:10.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005049)  
Majority Leader.

**[05:39:12.580] Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla** (asr-005050)  
Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable Rene Luis M. Co. from Partylist Kabataan.

**[05:39:19.860] Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla** (asr-005051)  
To interpolate on the debate on general principles and provisions.

**[05:39:26.740] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-005052)  
Is there any objection? Hearing none, Representative Rene Luis Co. of Partylist Kabataan is recognized.

**[05:39:33.020] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005053)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker, and good afternoon to our distinguished colleague.

**[05:39:39.260] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005054)  
I'd just like to pick up on the earlier interpolations of our colleagues on LGSF and even on the BDP.

**[05:39:48.980] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005055)  
Madam Speaker,

**[05:39:49.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005056)  
Distinguished colleague, why do we have this funding mechanism where specific LGUs have an entitled allotment

**[05:39:56.100] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005057)  
then they can have a menu of items they can choose from?

**[05:39:59.560] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005058)  
My concern is, won't this be prone to abuse depending on the priorities of the executive head of government

**[05:40:11.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005059)  
that is elected and can change per electoral cycle?

**[05:40:16.980] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005060)  
Why not just allocate these funds accordingly?

**[05:40:19.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005061)  
Regarding to what is programmed in Master Plans instead?

**[05:40:38.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005062)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, perhaps if I may suggest po, if we could differentiate the different items

**[05:40:48.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005063)  
or different plans.

**[05:40:49.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005064)  
For example, there's a menu that is approved by Congress during every Ga'a as to what the menu would be for those particular items.

**[05:41:10.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005065)  
However, there are certain programs na meron na po talaga silang intended use.

**[05:41:16.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005066)  
For example, NTF-ELCAC.

**[05:41:19.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005067)  
Talagang may identified lang po talaga na qualified barangays na pwede sa NTF-ELCAC.

**[05:41:26.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005068)  
For the Growth Equity Fund, it's limited to 4th and 5th class municipalities

**[05:41:31.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005069)  
who may have deficits even after the NTA allotment is provided.

**[05:41:37.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005070)  
So, actually po, the disbursement of the LGSF is actually governed by the special provision on LGSF.

**[05:41:49.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005071)  
So, every Ga'a po, actually, posibleng magpalit yung menu ng Falgo, for example.

**[05:41:57.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005072)  
But for NTF-ELCAC and for Growth Equity Fund, may intended use po talaga sila.

**[05:42:02.720] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005073)  
Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, as much as this representation would like to put trust

**[05:42:08.560] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005074)  
on the implementation of supposedly these standards, these mechanisms that should check whether the funding for specific local projects

**[05:42:19.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005075)  
are followed, we have on record a discussion, an admission from a Secretary for last year when I asked during the

**[05:42:31.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005076)  
discussions on the Department of Agriculture's budget proposal in 2026, this good Secretary admitted that

**[05:42:40.100] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005077)  
even though there's already a national plan for farm-to-market roads, it is still the congressmen who dictate which roads will be built

**[05:42:49.080] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005078)  
depending on whose lobbying will be granted.

**[05:42:49.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005082)  
And for this fiscal year, 2026, we saw that Region 1 was given the greatest allocation.

**[05:42:59.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005083)  
So, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, even though we see that there are standards provided in law,

**[05:43:05.640] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005084)  
they can differ, that there could be special provisions in different types of fundings,

**[05:43:11.120] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005085)  
whether that be LGSF or NTF-ELCAC, which I will go to a bit later, how do we ensure that these standards are met?

**[05:43:19.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005086)  
given that there are admissions from our members of different agencies that they're not really followed?

**[05:43:27.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005087)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

**[05:43:34.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005088)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague, in the case of LGSF, for example, Falgo, it is highly dependent on the LGUs.

**[05:43:43.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005089)  
So, it really depends on which LGUs submit project proposals into the portal.

**[05:43:49.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005090)  
And then, the evaluation and the determination as to which LGUs would receive projects

**[05:43:58.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005091)  
is solely at the discretion of the DBM based on specific criteria and evaluation requirements.

**[05:44:05.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005092)  
So, pagdating po sa LGSF, actually, wala po talaga, aside from Congress laying out which menu items would be allowable for that year,

**[05:44:17.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005093)  
it's really in the purview of DBM to receive proposals from the local government units

**[05:44:24.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005094)  
and to evaluate them and ultimately determine which projects will be funded.

**[05:44:29.220] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005095)  
So, is the answer, Madam Speaker, that at least for LGSF,

**[05:44:34.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005096)  
there are, well, the protection is that DBM will eventually be the one to release that funding,

**[05:44:42.940] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005097)  
and approve certain projects.

**[05:44:45.200] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005098)  
After the lump sum is granted, but that's only for LGSF, in particular, Madam Speaker.

**[05:44:55.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005099)  
Particularly po for LGSF Falgo, based on the menu and

**[05:45:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005100)  
put forth, set forth

**[05:45:02.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005101)  
in the GAA as well as the criteria

**[05:45:04.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005102)  
for evaluation.

**[05:45:06.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005103)  
Madam Speaker, I'd like to

**[05:45:08.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005104)  
relate to

**[05:45:10.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005105)  
and LGSF also

**[05:45:12.680] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005106)  
nabanggit na nakalign item

**[05:45:14.700] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005107)  
ang funds para sa Barangay Development

**[05:45:16.740] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005108)  
Program or BDP

**[05:45:18.620] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005109)  
ng NTF-ELCAC. Tama po ba

**[05:45:20.880] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005110)  
Madam Speaker?

**[05:45:25.180] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005111)  
Nakalign item po ang funds

**[05:45:26.720] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005112)  
para sa Barangay Development Program.

**[05:45:30.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005113)  
Mr. Speaker, what we have

**[05:45:44.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005114)  
as an annex in the

**[05:45:47.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005115)  
NEP and also in the

**[05:45:49.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005116)  
HGAB is the list of

**[05:45:50.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005117)  
cleared barangays who are qualified

**[05:45:52.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005118)  
to receive NTF-ELCAC

**[05:45:54.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005119)  
for a particular year.

**[05:45:56.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005120)  
So yes, in effect po, nakalign item po

**[05:45:59.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005121)  
yung mga recipient.

**[05:46:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005122)  
It's now NTF-ELCAC.

**[05:46:01.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005123)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

**[05:46:03.700] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005124)  
I'm hearing a confirmation that in the

**[05:46:06.120] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005125)  
NEP and later in the GAA,

**[05:46:08.160] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005126)  
ang line items na ito ay listahan

**[05:46:10.100] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005127)  
lang ng lahat ng mga barangay

**[05:46:12.100] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005128)  
na beneficiary ng BDP.

**[05:46:14.460] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005129)  
Pero lopsang pa rin po ba siya?

**[05:46:16.960] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005130)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

**[05:46:18.920] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005131)  
Last year, 10 million each

**[05:46:20.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005132)  
for 808 barangays

**[05:46:21.940] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005133)  
and for the next fiscal year, 5 billion

**[05:46:24.300] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005134)  
each for 1,948

**[05:46:26.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005135)  
barangays. Is this correct,

**[05:46:28.180] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005136)  
Madam Speaker?

**[05:46:30.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005137)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[05:46:32.220] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005138)  
Technically, if you look at it

**[05:46:33.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005139)  
in the item of

**[05:46:36.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005140)  
for ALGU,

**[05:46:39.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005141)  
allocation for LGUs,

**[05:46:41.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005142)  
technically lump sum po siya doon.

**[05:46:43.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005143)  
But in the annex of the GAA,

**[05:46:46.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005144)  
there is a list,

**[05:46:48.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005145)  
a supporting table

**[05:46:49.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005146)  
which lists all the

**[05:46:51.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005147)  
beneficiary barangays.

**[05:46:54.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005148)  
Uniform naman po kasi yung amount

**[05:46:55.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005149)  
na nare-receive per barangay.

**[05:46:57.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005150)  
So naka-detail out po siya.

**[05:47:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005151)  
So it's lump sum in its presentation

**[05:47:01.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005152)  
in the main body of the budget.

**[05:47:04.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005153)  
But it has an annex that

**[05:47:06.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005154)  
shows the line items,

**[05:47:07.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005155)  
essentially the full list of beneficiaries.

**[05:47:11.180] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005156)  
Madam Speaker,

**[05:47:11.900] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005157)  
distinguished sponsor,

**[05:47:13.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005158)  
gaya po ng tanong natin sa LGSF,

**[05:47:16.260] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005159)  
ano-ano nga ba ang standards

**[05:47:17.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005160)  
and safeguards natin para sa

**[05:47:19.900] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005161)  
pondong ito? Ang nakasulat lang po

**[05:47:22.120] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005162)  
sa special provision on BDP,

**[05:47:24.740] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005163)  
quote-unquote, cleared

**[05:47:25.920] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005164)  
barangays as certified by the

**[05:47:27.940] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005165)  
NTFL cap. Pero ano nga ba?

**[05:47:29.980] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005166)  
Ano ba ang mga pamantayan para masabing

**[05:47:31.500] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005167)  
cleared ang isang barangay?

**[05:47:33.540] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005168)  
Simply put, Madam Speaker, what constitutes

**[05:47:36.080] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005169)  
a cleared barangay?

**[05:47:52.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005170)  
Mr. Speaker, distinguished colleague,

**[05:47:54.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005171)  
the identification of

**[05:47:56.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005172)  
these cleared barangays is actually

**[05:47:57.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005173)  
under the purview of the DILG.

**[05:47:59.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005174)  
The

**[05:48:01.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005175)  
condition or criteria being

**[05:48:04.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005176)  
that the target beneficiary LGUs

**[05:48:06.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005177)  
under the LGSF

**[05:48:07.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005178)  
SBDP or the NTFL

**[05:48:09.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005179)  
are the cleared barangays which

**[05:48:11.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005180)  
underwent community

**[05:48:13.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005181)  
support program or CSP

**[05:48:15.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005182)  
and retooled CSP in

**[05:48:18.020] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005183)  
calendar year 2026.

**[05:48:20.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005184)  
So meron pong

**[05:48:21.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005185)  
specific conditions na kailangan

**[05:48:24.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005186)  
po nila ma-meet as per LCAC.

**[05:48:27.900] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005187)  
These

**[05:48:28.160] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005188)  
CSPs, Madam Speaker, good

**[05:48:29.980] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005189)  
sponsor, dapat po noong

**[05:48:31.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005190)  
2026 ay naisagawa nila,

**[05:48:36.220] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005191)  
Madam Speaker.

**[05:48:37.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005192)  
Tama po, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague,

**[05:48:39.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005193)  
for them to be considered a cleared

**[05:48:41.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005194)  
barangay for inclusion in the

**[05:48:43.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005195)  
2027 NEP, kailangan

**[05:48:45.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005196)  
po na gawa po nila

**[05:48:47.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005197)  
yung CSP at retooled CSP

**[05:48:49.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005198)  
ng calendar year 2026.

**[05:48:52.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005199)  
Saan po nakalista, Madam Speaker,

**[05:48:53.720] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005200)  
good sponsor, kung ano pong listahan

**[05:48:55.700] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005201)  
ng mga community support programs na ito?

**[05:48:59.980] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005202)  
Because Madam Speaker, even the answer just that dapat naka-undergo sila ng CSPs still puts into question ano po ba siya and hindi pa nakukomplete yung answer kung ano po ba yung criteria na ito, Madam Speaker.

**[05:49:18.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005203)  
Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, we're just looking at it kasi sa special provision po ng NTF-LCAC, meron ng mga qualified programs under CSP. So may menu din po yung CSP. We're just looking for it po as a special provision to NTF-LCAC.

**[05:49:40.680] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005204)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[05:49:41.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005205)  
Please give us a few seconds, Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague.

**[05:49:48.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005206)  
...

**[05:50:18.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005207)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, my apologies. I would like to clarify my answer earlier. So ang nagsasagawa po ng CSP is DILG. So they conduct the community support program with the different target beneficiary barangays in order for them to determine which of the projects are best suited for that particular barangay.

**[05:50:43.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005208)  
Tapos yung particular menu po na yun.

**[05:50:48.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005209)  
Yun yung farm-to-market roads, school building, water and sanitation system, health stations, and electrification. So the whole process of conducting the CSP lies with DILG po. Wala pong visibility yung DBM.

**[05:51:02.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005210)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor, na-mention nga po kung ano yung mga CSPs na yun lang po dapat yung saklaw ng BDP. However, sa website po ng NTF-LCAC kung saan pwede pong ilista.

**[05:51:18.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005211)  
Yung mga BDPs na naimplementa, meron din daw housing or reconstruction at livelihood projects without breakdown of which barangays implemented what. It therefore begs the question, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, saan-saan nga ba napunta ang pondo na ito? Natatapos ba ang mga proyekto na ito sa ilalim ng BDP? O tulad ba ito ng ghost or substandard projects na natimbog po natin last year?

**[05:51:48.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005212)  
Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, the report as to where the funds went and what programs or projects each barangay got is actually being generated and maintained po by DILG. And that particular report is available in their Subay Bayan portal. So may full list po ng lahat po ng mga projects na napondohan under NTF-LCAC.

**[05:52:14.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005213)  
Yes po, Madam Speaker.

**[05:52:18.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005214)  
Sa website, there are items there that are not provided for in that special provision or in the classification of CSPs. As I mentioned po, there's housing, there's reconstruction, and it is not contemplated in the list provided by the good sponsor which said that may form to market roads, school building, water and sanitation system, health stations, and electrification.

**[05:52:44.180] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005215)  
So saan po nanggaling yung ibang mga items na ito?

**[05:52:48.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005216)  
And ano yung role po ng DBM or ng DBCC to ensure na kung ano lang po yung nakalagay sa special provision, yun po yung na-implementa? Kung meron pong nakalista na hindi po nasa loob ng CSP, ano pong karampatang aksyon ang magawa para po macheck kung tama po yung funding?

**[05:53:07.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005217)  
Thank you very much po for bringing up that point, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague.

**[05:53:12.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005218)  
Actually, nabanggit din po ng DBM yun na yung monitoring po.

**[05:53:18.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005219)  
Kapat ay nasa DILG, reporting sa kanila. But also, it should be part of the COA audit report. Kung may nakita po na mga proyekto na na-implement na wala po doon sa menu na sinet, kailangan po makall yung attention.

**[05:53:35.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005220)  
So thank you very much po to our distinguished colleague for bringing that up. We can relay that also to DILG and COA to look into these items po.

**[05:53:46.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005221)  
But to clarify, thank you for answering that. If ever there is feedback on that, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, if it can be written, this representation would like a copy of the feedback kung ano pong explanation kung bakit may ganitong mga items listed sa website na wala naman po sa mga nalistang CSPs. If that's possible, Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

**[05:54:15.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005222)  
Yes, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague. That would be possible. We'll just have to coordinate with COA and DILG with regard to that. Because as of now po, as per DBM, wala po pong nare-receive na report yung DBM with regard to this. So once available po, we'll share it with our distinguished colleague.

**[05:54:35.700] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005223)  
But to clarify, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, kapag sabi ng barangay na ito ay nasa ilalim or naisip,

**[05:54:45.500] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005224)  
na isagawa yung CSP and therefore they can qualify for funding ng BDP for 2027, ano po ang therefore nakukuha ng DBM para po ma-authorize na sila po ay pwedeng makakuha ng funding ulit for BDP? It's just a list of barangays? Is that the limitation of the visibility of DBM, Madam Speaker, good sponsor?

**[05:55:15.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005225)  
Yes, Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague. Even though they're listed separately already in the GAA, at the point of release, kailangan po ulit magsumite ng DILG sa DBM ng patunay. Essentially, they endorse which of the qualified barangays actually already went the CSP and meron ng identified project and plansyado na po lahat ng requirements.

**[05:55:45.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005226)  
And only then will DBM release the funding for that particular project.

**[05:55:51.140] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005227)  
We raise these questions, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, because the NTF-ELCAC, since its establishment and has also been notorious in its reputation internationally, it targets unarmed civilians, progressives, and activists. Kahit po igiit na issued by the DBM in coordination with the NTF-ELCAC and limited po ang visibility ng DBM,

**[05:56:15.500] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005228)  
sa certifications in relation to BDM funds na wala rin pong nahawakan na pera ang NTF-ELCAC mismo, it is upon us as the branch of government with the power of the purse to question where the budget goes.

**[05:56:33.080] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005229)  
Hindi natin kinakwestiyon ng pag-unlad o grassroots development. We actually want that, Madam Speaker, good sponsor. What we do not want is conditional development that the BDP of the NTF-ELCAC shows.

**[05:56:45.500] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005230)  
O kailangan cleared ka muna bago ka makakakuha ng pondo.

**[05:56:49.980] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005231)  
And this representation will move at the proper time to amend the HGAB for the abolition of the BDP and the transferring of the funding directly to schools, housing, and the like.

**[05:57:00.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005232)  
Because this representation, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, is not convinced that the scheme that is being implemented now, wherein DBM has limited visibility para macheck pong ano pong effectivity,

**[05:57:13.600] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005233)  
and even yung qualification ng CSP supposedly na nakuha ng previous barangay cleared that entitles them to funding now, should allow for more billions to be funneled in this way.

**[05:57:31.640] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005234)  
Kung pwede naman pong nakaayon po ito sa master plan, Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

**[05:57:36.960] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005235)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor, if there's no response, I'd like to move on to my next line of questioning.

**[05:57:41.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005236)  
Madam Speaker.

**[05:57:43.600] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005237)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor, this is now about confidential funds.

**[05:57:47.940] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005238)  
Article 2, Section 28 of the 1987 Constitution says that subject to reasonable conditions prescribed by law,

**[05:57:55.900] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005239)  
the state adopts and implements a policy of full public disclosure of all its transactions involving public interest.

**[05:58:03.960] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005240)  
While Article 3, Section 7 states the right of the people to information on matters of public concern shall be recognized.

**[05:58:11.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005241)  
However, the General Assembly...

**[05:58:13.600] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005242)  
The General Principles and Provisions of House Bill 10585 again authorize lump sum confidential and intelligence appropriations across various agencies of the national government.

**[05:58:26.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005243)  
And under Joint Circular No. 2015-01 between DBMs, COA, and other agencies, disbursements from these funds are supported by documentary evidence kept in sealed envelopes.

**[05:58:39.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005244)  
Liquidation is subjected only to post-audit by the COA.

**[05:58:43.580] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005246)  
The COA Intelligence and Confidential Fund Audit Unit and a notice of this allowance may be issued years after the fact.

**[05:58:50.600] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005247)  
A delay now glaringly exposed as the impeachment proceedings reveal questionable confidential fund disbursements that escape timely scrutiny.

**[05:59:02.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005248)  
Can the sponsor therefore explain the wisdom of retaining confidential fund provisions in the 2027 GAB and its general principles

**[05:59:12.600] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005249)  
when the existing...

**[05:59:13.500] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005250)  
When the existing audit architecture inherently guarantees that illegal or unconstitutional spending can remain concealed for years, defeating the constitutional demand for public accountability, Madam Speaker?

**[05:59:43.500] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005251)  
When the existing audit architecture inherently guarantees that illegal or unconstitutional spending can remain concealed for years, defeating the constitutional demand for public accountability, Madam Speaker?

**[05:59:57.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005252)  
Mr. Speaker, Distinguished Colleague, the...

**[06:00:00.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005253)  
The basis for essentially which outlines the guidelines for allotment of confidential intelligence funds or essentially outlines who are allowed to avail of confidential intelligence funds is outlined in the COA, DBM, DILG, GECG, and DND Joint Circular Number 2015-01.

**[06:00:26.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005254)  
So there, in Section 4.0, it says that the following are entitled to confidential funds and intelligence funds. So kung iisa-isahin po ba natin, there are…

**[06:00:45.960] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005255)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor, perhaps no need for that because the good secretary already did that during the budget briefing.

**[06:00:53.920] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005256)  
But I am asking, Madam Speaker…

**[06:00:56.680] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005257)  
For the wisdom of the continuing grant of confidential expenses, despite the exposure of the currently flawed architecture that allows the disbursement of confidential expenses,

**[06:01:12.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005258)  
but when there are illegal or abusive expenses, it can take years before it can be exposed,

**[06:01:23.820] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005259)  
which by then, lumabas.

**[06:01:26.680] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005260)  
Lumabas na yung funding. Sana na po napunta sa ibang mas deserving na items, but nonetheless, ay pinunta po sa confidential funds.

**[06:01:35.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005261)  
This is the topic of the daily political diet of Filipinos. Bakit may confidential funds?

**[06:01:42.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005262)  
So we have an opportunity to engage it in this budget, but it's still here, Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

**[06:01:49.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005263)  
Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, if you would look at the NEP,

**[06:01:56.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005264)  
the 2027 NEP, yung whichever agencies had COA findings relating to their confidential and intelligence funds,

**[06:02:07.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005265)  
wala pong inalocate na CIF sa loob po na 2027 NEP.

**[06:02:13.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005266)  
The agencies that were given continuing confidential or intelligence funds are those that really have mandates relating to national security.

**[06:02:26.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005267)  
So, doon po sa ating budget, ang meron lang po is DOF, BOC, DILG-OSEC, DILG-PNP, DOJ-OSEC, DOJ-NBI, AMLAC, ARTA, DND, and DOTR.

**[06:02:45.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005268)  
So, and the Office of the President.

**[06:02:54.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005269)  
So, yun lang po. Linimitahan naman na po.

**[06:02:56.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005270)  
So, yung bilang ng mga ahensya, sinigurado po ng DBM sa pagbuo po ng 2027 NEP,

**[06:03:05.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005271)  
natangin yung mga ahensya lang po talaga na may mandato na related po sa,

**[06:03:11.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005272)  
na pwede pong lagyan ng kaukalang CIF yung kanila po ninagyan sa budget.

**[06:03:17.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005273)  
And no increase po, sorry. Much lower than it was in the previous year.

**[06:03:22.420] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005274)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

**[06:03:24.160] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005275)  
Madam Speaker, perhaps we still need to sharply interrogate whose security is actually being served

**[06:03:31.220] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005276)  
in the grant of the confidential expenses of the various agencies mentioned,

**[06:03:36.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005277)  
but we will reserve those questions to the agencies that are in question.

**[06:03:41.540] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005278)  
But nonetheless, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, the answer I'm hearing is that,

**[06:03:46.660] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005279)  
yes, there were, there's proof, and nakita natin kung paano naabuso yung confidential expenses.

**[06:03:54.160] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005280)  
So, now we mitigated it by ensuring that in the next budget cycle,

**[06:03:59.220] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005281)  
yung mga nararapat na lang yung pwedeng gastahan.

**[06:04:03.380] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005282)  
But, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, am I interpreting it correctly that, right now,

**[06:04:08.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005283)  
there is no mechanism to ensure non-abusive confidential fund spending

**[06:04:16.620] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005284)  
other than by leaving it to COA when it receives its audit agency reports

**[06:04:23.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005285)  
and submits it to the agency?

**[06:04:25.680] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005293)  
And to mitigate it in the next budget cycle when an anomaly has been discovered,

**[06:04:34.020] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005294)  
which can happen, you know, years later.

**[06:04:36.680] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005295)  
Are there no mechanisms in place that DBCC or the DBM can exercise

**[06:04:42.260] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005296)  
other than what I've specified, Madam Speaker, good sponsor?

**[06:04:45.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005297)  
Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, yes, the DBCC family recognizes that point,

**[06:04:54.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005298)  
that at this point, there are, nandun lang po, nasa level lang po nang kuha.

**[06:05:01.260] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005299)  
It's really like a post-audit arrangement in terms of CIF.

**[06:05:08.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005300)  
So, yun po, we recognize that point.

**[06:05:10.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005301)  
So, Madam Speaker, good sponsor, there are no preventive mechanisms in place

**[06:05:15.340] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005302)  
in the existing rules, like in the 2015 Joint Circular,

**[06:05:19.060] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005303)  
where questionable plans for spending can be halted,

**[06:05:21.980] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005304)  
even though the Confidential Expenses Plan, or Annex A,

**[06:05:28.120] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005305)  
is already attached when the request for allocation of confidential expenses

**[06:05:34.140] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005306)  
is submitted to DBM, Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

**[06:06:15.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005308)  
Madam Speaker, distinguished colleague, upon conferring with DBM,

**[06:06:20.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005309)  
so, the only thing that is submitted to them when the releases are requested

**[06:06:25.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005310)  
is something like a physical and financial plan.

**[06:06:28.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005311)  
And even the contents are very vague to the point that they're unable to detect

**[06:06:33.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005312)  
at that stage whether there may be issues down the road.

**[06:06:39.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005313)  
So, admittedly po, because of the nature of the expenses themselves,

**[06:06:43.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005314)  
naka-sealed envelope.

**[06:06:45.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005315)  
So, they're not able to validate it at that point.

**[06:06:48.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005316)  
So, on the part of DBM, during the SARA release,

**[06:06:52.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005317)  
unfortunately, walang mechanism in place at the moment for them to be able to check.

**[06:06:58.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005318)  
So, it's really at the part of COA once they do the audit.

**[06:07:03.340] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005319)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor,

**[06:07:06.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005320)  
so, essentially, we hope that COA does a good job.

**[06:07:09.620] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005321)  
But at the end of the day, this means that there can be years

**[06:07:13.240] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005322)  
wherein these disbursements,

**[06:07:15.340] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005323)  
these disbursements happen at kung naspotan ng COA

**[06:07:21.340] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005324)  
yung anomalous spending,

**[06:07:24.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005325)  
dito lang po magsisimulang investigasyon

**[06:07:27.200] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005326)  
at dito po magkakaroon ng chance na matignan

**[06:07:31.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005327)  
at syempre yung pinakagusto nating mangyari, mabawi.

**[06:07:35.100] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005328)  
So, as it stands, Madam Speaker, good sponsor,

**[06:07:38.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005329)  
not only does this representation see that confidential expenses, confidential funds,

**[06:07:45.340] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005330)  
is not in line with our constitutional principles

**[06:07:51.060] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005331)  
of accountability, of transparency,

**[06:07:55.340] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005332)  
of full public disclosure,

**[06:07:57.700] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005333)  
of all the state's transactions involving public interests.

**[06:08:02.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005334)  
We also believe that confidential funds and expenses

**[06:08:05.720] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005335)  
are a relic of opaque governance

**[06:08:07.500] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005336)  
that has no place after the misspending of them has been exposed.

**[06:08:14.620] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005337)  
The ongoing implications,

**[06:08:15.340] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005338)  
the impeachment proceedings expose how billions in confidential appropriations

**[06:08:19.300] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005339)  
were dispersed with zero real-time accountability,

**[06:08:22.880] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005340)  
shielded by sealed envelopes and post-audits that take years to surface.

**[06:08:27.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005341)  
And I think this is not a mere technical flaw.

**[06:08:31.060] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005342)  
This can be a systemic weapon against the people's purse.

**[06:08:34.120] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005343)  
We heard that there are moves to amend the rules.

**[06:08:39.140] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005344)  
So while we're waiting for that,

**[06:08:42.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005345)  
we're of the stance that there should be no confidential expenses.

**[06:08:45.660] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005348)  
In this budget,

**[06:08:47.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005349)  
and it should be allocated instead,

**[06:08:50.060] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005350)  
to different services that our people

**[06:08:52.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005351)  
direly need more.

**[06:08:54.540] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005352)  
And while our people starve for health, education,

**[06:08:56.900] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005353)  
and housing,

**[06:08:58.020] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005354)  
the state entrenches budgetary mechanisms

**[06:09:00.380] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005355)  
that bankroll, surveillance,

**[06:09:02.660] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005356)  
red-tagging, and counterinsurgency programs

**[06:09:05.220] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005357)  
like the NAPI-OPD.

**[06:09:07.100] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005358)  
And for us, Madam Speaker,

**[06:09:08.420] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005359)  
there is no wisdom in continuing these

**[06:09:10.240] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005360)  
in House Bill 1058.

**[06:09:12.140] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005361)  
Public funds must flow to public welfare,

**[06:09:14.420] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005362)  
not to secrecy,

**[06:09:15.340] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005363)  
see that breeds plunder and

**[06:09:17.020] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005364)  
impunity. Madam Speaker, I will

**[06:09:19.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005365)  
move, and good sponsor, I will move

**[06:09:21.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005366)  
at the appropriate time

**[06:09:22.640] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005367)  
for the proper amendments

**[06:09:24.940] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005368)  
which this representation hopes

**[06:09:27.580] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005369)  
that the body considers.

**[06:09:29.580] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005370)  
In the meantime, we hope

**[06:09:31.580] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005371)  
that the requested documents may be

**[06:09:33.680] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005372)  
submitted at the proper time

**[06:09:35.460] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005373)  
and this representation

**[06:09:37.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005374)  
thanks the indulgence of the

**[06:09:39.540] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005375)  
sponsor for their time in

**[06:09:41.340] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005376)  
answering this representation's

**[06:09:43.620] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005377)  
questions. That's all, Madam Speaker.

**[06:09:45.860] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005378)  
Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.

**[06:09:47.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005379)  
Thank you very much to the Honorable Reniko.

**[06:09:51.640] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-005380)  
Majority Leader.

**[06:09:52.850] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-005380-split-2)  
Madam Speaker, next

**[06:09:53.500] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-005381)  
to introduce...

**[06:09:55.340] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-005382)  
Madam Speaker, I move to suspend the session

**[06:09:57.260] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-005383)  
for a few minutes.

**[06:09:58.100] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-005383-split-2)  
Motion suspended.

**[06:09:59.200] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-005384)  
Session suspended.

**[06:29:22.000] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-005434)  
Session resumed. Majority Leader.

**[06:29:24.000] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-005435)  
Madam Speaker, next to interpellate the sponsor,

**[06:29:26.000] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-005436)  
I move to recognize the Honorable Bong Suntay

**[06:29:28.000] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-005437)  
of the Fourth District of Quezon City.

**[06:29:30.000] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-005438)  
Is there any objection? Hearing none, the Honorable Representative Jesus "Bong" Suntay from the Fourth District of Quezon City is recognized.

**[06:29:40.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005439)  
Madam Speaker, to our good sponsor. Madam Speaker, dahil sa current condition ng ating Chair Mika, I will keep my questions simple so that it will be very easy to answer.

**[06:29:57.280] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005440)  
Magsasamahin ko na rin yung tanong ko.

**[06:30:00.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005441)  
DepDev at saka sa

**[06:30:02.220] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005442)  
DBM para maiklian

**[06:30:04.520] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005443)  
yung oras.

**[06:30:06.580] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005444)  
I will limit it to my general concern

**[06:30:08.740] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005445)  
regarding the

**[06:30:10.460] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005446)  
7.2 trillion

**[06:30:12.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005447)  
budget. I will not

**[06:30:14.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005448)  
no longer go to specifics dahil

**[06:30:16.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005449)  
tatagal lang tayo.

**[06:30:18.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005450)  
In

**[06:30:19.220] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005451)  
2024,

**[06:30:21.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005452)  
we approved the budget of

**[06:30:24.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005453)  
5.76 trillion

**[06:30:26.400] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005454)  
for 2025.

**[06:30:28.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005455)  
It was 6.3 trillion

**[06:30:30.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005456)  
for 2026.

**[06:30:31.840] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005457)  
It was 6.7

**[06:30:33.760] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005458)  
93 trillion.

**[06:30:36.760] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005459)  
And now,

**[06:30:38.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005460)  
we are asking for a

**[06:30:40.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005461)  
7.2 trillion budget.

**[06:30:44.720] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005462)  
My concern

**[06:30:46.140] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005463)  
is not that the 7.2 trillion

**[06:30:48.280] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005464)  
is not mathematically impossible

**[06:30:50.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005465)  
to support.

**[06:30:52.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005466)  
My worry is that,

**[06:30:54.020] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005467)  
given the current economic

**[06:30:56.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005468)  
situation,

**[06:30:57.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005469)  
the fiscal space

**[06:30:59.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005470)  
supporting it

**[06:31:01.200] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005471)  
has become tight.

**[06:31:04.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005472)  
Sa ating mga

**[06:31:05.640] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005473)  
sources of revenue,

**[06:31:09.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005474)  
magkano ang

**[06:31:09.680] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005475)  
projected natin

**[06:31:10.940] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005476)  
na makukuha?

**[06:31:19.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005477)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[06:31:21.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005478)  
my distinguished colleague,

**[06:31:23.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005479)  
first of all, I would like to say thank you

**[06:31:25.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005480)  
to our distinguished colleagues,

**[06:31:27.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005481)  
colleague the Honorable Bong Suntay,

**[06:31:28.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005482)  
for taking into account

**[06:31:29.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005483)  
the very pregnant state

**[06:31:32.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005484)  
that I am currently in.

**[06:31:34.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005485)  
Maraming maraming salamat po.

**[06:31:36.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005486)  
Their response po to the

**[06:31:38.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005487)  
query for 2027 po,

**[06:31:41.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005488)  
our assumption

**[06:31:42.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005489)  
with regard to total revenues as stated

**[06:31:44.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005490)  
in the 2027 BASF,

**[06:31:47.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005491)  
total revenues is at

**[06:31:48.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005492)  
5.2 trillion pesos

**[06:31:51.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005493)  
and that is a combination

**[06:31:53.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005494)  
po of tax and

**[06:31:54.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005495)  
non-tax revenues.

**[06:31:56.200] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005496)  
Okay, this would be a

**[06:31:57.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005497)  
combination from collections

**[06:31:59.340] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005498)  
from the BIR, BOC, and

**[06:32:01.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005499)  
non-tax revenues.

**[06:32:03.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005500)  
But this assumption was based

**[06:32:04.760] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005501)  
on a more

**[06:32:06.500] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005502)  
on a more

**[06:32:09.460] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005503)  
economically

**[06:32:15.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005504)  
acceptable backdrop.

**[06:32:19.340] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005505)  
Pero nag-iba na po ngayon eh.

**[06:32:22.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005506)  
Well, assuming that

**[06:32:23.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005507)  
we, well,

**[06:32:25.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005508)  
achieved the 5.2 billion

**[06:32:27.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005509)  
target,

**[06:32:28.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005510)  
based on

**[06:32:29.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005511)  
our 2027 government

**[06:32:33.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005512)  
fiscal program,

**[06:32:34.720] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005513)  
the projected

**[06:32:35.600] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005514)  
cash disbursements

**[06:32:39.280] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005515)  
expect that

**[06:32:41.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005516)  
6.9 trillion.

**[06:32:44.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005517)  
So magkakaroon po tayo

**[06:32:45.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005518)  
ng fiscal

**[06:32:47.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005519)  
deficit of

**[06:32:48.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005520)  
1.695 trillion.

**[06:32:51.540] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005521)  
Would that be correct?

**[06:32:55.740] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005522)  
That is correct,

**[06:32:57.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005523)  
for 2027, the projected

**[06:32:59.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005524)  
deficit is at 1.69 trillion.

**[06:33:02.880] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005525)  
Okay, now so given that

**[06:33:04.840] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005526)  
yung projected revenues

**[06:33:06.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005527)  
is pegged at 5.2,

**[06:33:08.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005528)  
ang ating proposed

**[06:33:10.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005529)  
budget obligation naman

**[06:33:13.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005530)  
is 7.2,

**[06:33:15.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005531)  
di kulang po tayo,

**[06:33:17.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005532)  
magkakaroon tayo ng

**[06:33:18.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005533)  
fiscal deficit of around

**[06:33:20.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005534)  
1.695.

**[06:33:22.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005535)  
How do we intend to fund it?

**[06:33:25.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005536)  
By securing

**[06:33:27.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005539)  
A loan.

**[06:33:28.380] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005540)  
At what amount?

**[06:33:30.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005541)  
Madam Speaker,

**[06:33:30.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005542)  
Distinguished Colleague,

**[06:33:32.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005543)  
there is a projected gross borrowing

**[06:33:35.700] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005544)  
of 3.3 trillion pesos

**[06:33:38.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005545)  
to be able to fund the deficit po.

**[06:33:40.980] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005546)  
Okay.

**[06:33:41.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005547)  
But the 3.3 points,

**[06:33:44.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005548)  
3.304 trillion

**[06:33:47.220] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005549)  
is not only to fund

**[06:33:49.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005550)  
that budget deficit.

**[06:33:50.580] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005551)  
Kasi meron pa tayong

**[06:33:52.300] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005552)  
how much will go to principal

**[06:33:54.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005553)  
repayment and amortization?

**[06:33:56.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005554)  
Hindi kasi nakalagay ng

**[06:33:56.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005555)  
nakalagay sa

**[06:33:58.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005556)  
sa HGAB natin eh.

**[06:34:00.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005557)  
And then how much will fall

**[06:34:02.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005558)  
for net financing?

**[06:34:26.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005559)  
Pagkakaroon tayo ng

**[06:34:35.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005560)  
3.3 trillion pesos po,

**[06:34:37.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005561)  
1.69 trillion will go towards

**[06:34:39.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005562)  
funding the deficit in the budget.

**[06:34:41.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005563)  
And the rest po,

**[06:34:43.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005564)  
the remainder which is also around

**[06:34:45.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005565)  
1.5 trillion pesos

**[06:34:47.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005566)  
would go towards

**[06:34:49.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005567)  
amortization of gross

**[06:34:51.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005568)  
external borrowings and amortization

**[06:34:53.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005569)  
of gross domestic borrowings.

**[06:34:55.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005570)  
So 254 billion of that

**[06:35:00.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005571)  
would go towards amortization

**[06:35:02.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005572)  
of external borrowings.

**[06:35:04.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005573)  
And 1.3 trillion of that

**[06:35:06.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005574)  
would go towards amortization

**[06:35:08.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005575)  
of domestic borrowings.

**[06:35:10.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005576)  
Now, isn't this disconcerning?

**[06:35:12.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005577)  
While I understand that

**[06:35:14.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005578)  
hindi naman laging masama ang

**[06:35:16.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005579)  
deficit spending, pero

**[06:35:18.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005580)  
pag nagde-deficit spending tayo,

**[06:35:20.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005581)  
it is supposedly to fund projects

**[06:35:22.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005582)  
which may generate long-term yield,

**[06:35:24.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005583)  
o kaya pagka merong

**[06:35:26.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005584)  
economic crisis absorption

**[06:35:28.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005585)  
that has to be done.

**[06:35:30.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005586)  
In fact, if you go back nung

**[06:35:32.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005587)  
2010 to 2015,

**[06:35:34.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005588)  
it was a time of fiscal consolidation

**[06:35:36.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005589)  
during the term of

**[06:35:38.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005590)  
former President Aquino,

**[06:35:40.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005591)  
wherein which budget

**[06:35:42.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005592)  
deficit was

**[06:35:44.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005593)  
minimized from

**[06:35:46.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005594)  
0.09 to 2.5%.

**[06:35:48.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005595)  
During the

**[06:35:50.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005596)  
2016 to 2009

**[06:35:52.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005597)  
period, during the

**[06:35:54.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005598)  
first half of the term of

**[06:35:56.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005599)  
former President Duterte,

**[06:35:58.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005600)  
it was at an average of

**[06:36:00.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005601)  
3.5%.

**[06:36:02.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005602)  
But after nung

**[06:36:04.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005603)  
2019, nagkaroon tayo

**[06:36:06.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005604)  
ng pandemic,

**[06:36:08.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005605)  
tapos nun,

**[06:36:10.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005606)  
that's 2000, well,

**[06:36:12.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005607)  
2021, 22 naman

**[06:36:14.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005608)  
was the rebound, kaya

**[06:36:16.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005609)  
tumaas ng unti. Pero

**[06:36:18.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005610)  
ngayon,

**[06:36:20.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005611)  
how

**[06:36:22.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005612)  
do we intend to

**[06:36:24.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005613)  
be able to

**[06:36:26.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005614)  
support such

**[06:36:28.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005615)  
budget?

**[06:37:02.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005617)  
Mr. Speaker, my

**[06:37:04.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005618)  
distinguished colleague,

**[06:37:06.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005619)  
we recognize the point of

**[06:37:08.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005620)  
our distinguished colleague,

**[06:37:10.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005621)  
but the goal is to

**[06:37:12.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005622)  
do fiscal consolidation

**[06:37:14.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005623)  
down the line, and the

**[06:37:16.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005624)  
goal is to reduce

**[06:37:18.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005625)  
deficit to

**[06:37:20.860] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005626)  
From 5.4 in 2026 to 2030, sorry, just 3.5 in 2030.

**[06:37:31.240] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005627)  
How do we intend to do it?

**[06:37:34.600] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005628)  
Dahil if we look at the current economic situation,

**[06:37:43.280] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005629)  
we have GDP is down to around 2.4%, inflation is up.

**[06:37:55.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005630)  
So, paano pa natin maibababa yung, how do we plan to accomplish it?

**[06:38:03.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005631)  
Kasi ang sakin lang, instead of belt tightening, given the current situation, ito yung concern.

**[06:38:07.940] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005632)  
In 2024, the national debt was at 16.5 trillion.

**[06:38:12.500] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005633)  
For 2025, it increased to 17.71 trillion.

**[06:38:16.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005634)  
For 2026, it's now up to 19.39 trillion.

**[06:38:22.880] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005635)  
Now, and it will not stop here.

**[06:38:25.720] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005636)  
Dahil from the government's own BESF projects, budget expenditures and source of finance,

**[06:38:39.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005637)  
it presupposes that,

**[06:38:41.400] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005638)  
it will go up, the debt will go up to 19.77 trillion at the end of 2026,

**[06:38:49.500] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005639)  
and further up to 21.48 trillion at the end of 2027.

**[06:38:56.040] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005640)  
Now, dollar now is at, kanina nag-close, I think at 62.80.

**[06:39:01.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005641)  
We should also factor it in dahil it will have a big effect on debt servicing.

**[06:39:25.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005648)  
Madam Speaker, my distinguished colleague, upon conferring with economic managers,

**[06:39:31.980] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005649)  
really it's fiscal consolidation and really targeting quality spending,

**[06:39:39.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005650)  
looking at allocating funds.

**[06:39:41.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005652)  
towards items, programs, projects that have high economic multipliers.

**[06:39:46.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005653)  
So the goal is for us to be able to leverage on that to accelerate growth.

**[06:39:52.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005654)  
On the other hand po, with regard to the macroeconomic conditions

**[06:39:55.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005655)  
that were cited by our distinguished colleagues,

**[06:39:57.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005656)  
the projection is that by 2028,

**[06:40:02.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005657)  
these magre-reverse somehow in a more positive way

**[06:40:08.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005658)  
in terms of the macroeconomic factors surrounding it po.

**[06:40:13.540] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005659)  
So hopefully, inflation would lessen,

**[06:40:16.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005660)  
the foreign exchange rate would be more favorable,

**[06:40:19.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005661)  
the price of fuel will go down.

**[06:40:22.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005662)  
So with that po, coupled with quality spending,

**[06:40:25.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005663)  
ma-be-bridge po yung gap doon po sa ating deficit.

**[06:40:28.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005664)  
Madam Speaker, good sponsor.

**[06:40:29.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005665)  
I hope that our economic managers have the same positive view.

**[06:40:38.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005666)  
Kasi,

**[06:40:38.400] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005667)  
if we want to be realistic,

**[06:40:41.460] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005668)  
I'm sure that they all know it is unwise

**[06:40:43.940] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005669)  
to go on a big budget deficit spending

**[06:40:48.460] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005670)  
if there is already inflationary pressure.

**[06:40:51.620] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005671)  
And pagka hindi nararamdaman ng economic managers natin yung inflationary pressure,

**[06:40:56.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005672)  
then there's something wrong with our government.

**[06:41:00.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005673)  
Walang mangyayari sa atin if we do not feel

**[06:41:03.340] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005674)  
that there is economic pressure already dahil

**[06:41:06.680] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005675)  
ano yung ekonomiya,

**[06:41:08.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005676)  
economic pressure natin.

**[06:41:10.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005677)  
Sa FDI na lang,

**[06:41:12.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005678)  
makano yung foreign direct investment natin ngayon?

**[06:41:15.300] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005679)  
From a high of, I think, 9.7 billion way back in 2024,

**[06:41:19.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005680)  
it's down to 3.4 billion for 2026.

**[06:41:25.020] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005681)  
It's a good indicator of investor's confidence in our country.

**[06:41:29.580] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005682)  
Now, if we are not concerned about that,

**[06:41:32.600] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005683)  
then pupunta tayo, dapat tignan natin yung

**[06:41:34.980] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005684)  
what is the current,

**[06:41:38.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005685)  
projected inflation natin ngayon.

**[06:41:43.840] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005686)  
Diba?

**[06:41:45.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005687)  
It's also down.

**[06:41:46.620] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005688)  
We projected what?

**[06:41:49.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005689)  
It to be at a lower percentage,

**[06:41:53.480] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005690)  
but now it's,

**[06:41:54.760] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005691)  
nasa 6.1 ba?

**[06:41:58.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005692)  
Expected po, inflation is at around 5.4% in 2027.

**[06:42:06.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005693)  
Yan po yung,

**[06:42:06.900] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005694)  
naka-embed po,

**[06:42:09.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005695)  
na assumption sa budget.

**[06:42:13.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005696)  
And 3.3 and down to 3.3% in 2028.

**[06:42:19.340] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005697)  
Kasi,

**[06:42:20.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005698)  
kaya ako lang ito,

**[06:42:22.300] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005699)  
cause for concern,

**[06:42:24.680] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005700)  
if we really look at it,

**[06:42:27.840] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005701)  
for the second quarter 2026,

**[06:42:30.320] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005702)  
real GDP growth was 2.3%.

**[06:42:32.880] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005703)  
August inflation was 6.1%.

**[06:42:36.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005704)  
Bottom 30% of household inflation was actually 8.2%.

**[06:42:41.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005705)  
These are concerning data.

**[06:42:44.960] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005706)  
Kung titignan talaga natin.

**[06:42:47.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005707)  
Now, as I mentioned,

**[06:42:50.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005708)  
we also feel it.

**[06:42:51.960] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005709)  
Fuel prices alone is projected to go up to,

**[06:42:56.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005710)  
diesel prices projected to go up to as high as 100 pesos per liter.

**[06:43:02.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005711)  
That will have an economic impact.

**[06:43:03.800] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005712)  
In fact, makikita nyo,

**[06:43:05.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005713)  
mas,

**[06:43:06.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005714)  
less traffic ngayon,

**[06:43:07.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005715)  
especially yung mga public utility vehicles.

**[06:43:09.960] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005716)  
They,

**[06:43:11.040] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005717)  
not as much fly the roads anymore.

**[06:43:13.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005718)  
Dahil,

**[06:43:14.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005719)  
it's better to stay at home

**[06:43:15.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005720)  
dan maglabas ka,

**[06:43:17.320] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005721)  
bumiyahi ka dahil hindi ka kikita.

**[06:43:23.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005722)  
Mr. Speaker,

**[06:43:24.140] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005723)  
my distinguished colleague,

**[06:43:25.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005724)  
on the part of the economic managers,

**[06:43:27.940] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005725)  
they assure,

**[06:43:29.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005726)  
they give the assurance that they review

**[06:43:31.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005727)  
these macroeconomic assumptions every three months po.

**[06:43:34.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005728)  
So, quarterly naman,

**[06:43:36.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005729)  
depending on the realities that are prevailing,

**[06:43:40.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005730)  
in-update naman po nila yung macroeconomic assumptions.

**[06:43:43.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005731)  
Dahil,

**[06:43:44.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005732)  
well, yung sakin lang,

**[06:43:45.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005733)  
we have to look at the indicators.

**[06:43:48.560] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005734)  
Is our economy already in its full capacity?

**[06:43:52.560] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005735)  
Given the current rate,

**[06:43:53.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005736)  
I believe,

**[06:43:55.800] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005737)  
mahirap nang tumaas pa yan.

**[06:43:58.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005738)  
And it will go down,

**[06:43:59.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005739)  
given the current state.

**[06:44:01.280] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005740)  
We're also looking at 2028.

**[06:44:03.940] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005741)  
Anong ibig ko sabihin sa 2028?

**[06:44:06.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005742)  
It's an election year.

**[06:44:09.380] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005743)  
Investors,

**[06:44:10.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005744)  
both foreign and local,

**[06:44:12.820] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005745)  
usually,

**[06:44:13.800] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005746)  
they hold on investments.

**[06:44:15.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005747)  
Dahil, because of political uncertainty.

**[06:44:18.220] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005748)  
That is also something that we

**[06:44:19.620] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005749)  
have to consider.

**[06:44:21.880] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005750)  
Madali magtaas nang magtaas ng budget

**[06:44:23.980] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005751)  
pagka hindi natin pera yung ginagamit.

**[06:44:26.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005752)  
Like in a company,

**[06:44:28.400] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005753)  
when you run a company,

**[06:44:29.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005754)  
you don't just like approve a huge budget

**[06:44:32.960] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005755)  
if you know that it cannot be sustained.

**[06:44:34.940] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005756)  
Kasi ang nararamdaman,

**[06:44:36.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005757)  
we have to look at the state of our economy.

**[06:44:40.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005758)  
It's already, as I mentioned,

**[06:44:41.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005759)  
full capacity.

**[06:44:43.880] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005760)  
Now,

**[06:44:45.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005761)  
ang problema rin,

**[06:44:47.380] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005762)  
as we all know,

**[06:44:48.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005763)  
excess spending drives up inflation.

**[06:44:52.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005764)  
So,

**[06:44:53.240] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005765)  
kagaya ng sinabi ni Sheck Balizakan,

**[06:44:56.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005766)  
alam mo naman,

**[06:44:57.240] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005767)  
ang economy natin is consumption driven.

**[06:45:00.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005768)  
It's not money coming from external sources.

**[06:45:03.980] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005769)  
It's everyone's money just going around.

**[06:45:07.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005770)  
So, well, these are my concerns.

**[06:45:11.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005771)  
Dahil, which, because I would want to see more of the money that we approve

**[06:45:18.480] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005772)  
be used in programs and projects which would pump prime the economy.

**[06:45:25.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005773)  
Kasi dito sa 7.2 trillion, how much is actually available to pump prime the economy?

**[06:45:33.380] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005774)  
And what specific projects ang pupuntahan nito?

**[06:45:37.520] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005775)  
Because kagaya yung mga projects which are supposed to pump prime the economy,

**[06:45:42.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005776)  
North to South Railway, dapat natapos na pero hindi.

**[06:45:47.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005777)  
Subway natin, tinanggalan natin yan ng, nilagay natin sa amprogram what was already there.

**[06:45:52.940] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005778)  
And, ako, saan nilagay?

**[06:45:55.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005779)  
Nilagay sa ayuda.

**[06:45:57.960] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005780)  
But, it does not pump prime the economy.

**[06:46:01.500] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005781)  
So, for 2027, saan natin dadalhin?

**[06:46:05.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005782)  
For 2027 po, for pump priming the economy, we will rely mostly on capital outlay po

**[06:46:11.660] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005783)  
and infrastructure spending.

**[06:46:13.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005784)  
So, as a proportion of the NEP po, we're looking at 1.16 trillion pesos

**[06:46:20.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005785)  
which accounts for 16.1% of the NEP.

**[06:46:23.580] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005786)  
In terms of specific...

**[06:46:25.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005787)  
specific projects, medyo malalaki po, but I'll just cite yung mga big-ticket items po.

**[06:46:33.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005788)  
So, we're looking at North-South Commuter Railway at 123.8 billion,

**[06:46:40.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005789)  
the Metro Manila Subway Project at 67.4 billion,

**[06:46:44.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005790)  
the bridge program within DPWH, the Bataan-Cavite Interlink Bridge at 22 billion,

**[06:46:53.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005791)  
Cebu-Bactan Bridge at 8 billion,

**[06:46:55.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005792)  
Metro Manila Priority Bridges for 3.7 billion.

**[06:47:00.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005793)  
There's also, under the Network Development Program po,

**[06:47:03.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005794)  
several projects that would total 52 billion.

**[06:47:10.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005795)  
And meron din po ang flood management program na FAPs po

**[06:47:15.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005796)  
at totaling 17 billion pesos po.

**[06:47:22.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005797)  
So, ito po yung mga big-ticket items that we hope to see.

**[06:47:25.780] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005798)  
So, that would pump prime the economy.

**[06:47:28.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005799)  
You mentioned the 16.1% of the budget.

**[06:47:33.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005800)  
Ito, well, actually, yung computation would be,

**[06:47:36.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005801)  
if I'm correct, is 7.2 trillion minus the 6.40 trillion

**[06:47:43.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005802)  
that leaves us with yung 1.16 trillion for capital outlay.

**[06:47:49.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005803)  
Pero pagtitignan mo, that's just, it just translates to

**[06:47:53.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005804)  
16 centavos for every

**[06:47:56.040] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005805)  
peso that goes into

**[06:47:57.240] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005806)  
capital

**[06:47:58.580] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005807)  
assets, which is

**[06:48:01.620] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005808)  
also very small. Pag tinignan mo

**[06:48:04.220] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005809)  
rin yung portion of the budget

**[06:48:05.980] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005810)  
that goes into debt servicing,

**[06:48:08.800] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005811)  
for every

**[06:48:09.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005812)  
6 pesos, 1 peso

**[06:48:11.980] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005813)  
goes to debt servicing. So,

**[06:48:14.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005814)  
roughly 12 centavos

**[06:48:15.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005815)  
of

**[06:48:16.280] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005816)  
every peso goes to it.

**[06:48:20.480] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005817)  
So,

**[06:48:23.140] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005818)  
well,

**[06:48:23.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005819)  
yung

**[06:48:27.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005820)  
we're using the North to South

**[06:48:29.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005821)  
Railway to

**[06:48:31.720] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005822)  
justify that it will

**[06:48:33.660] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005823)  
pump prime economy.

**[06:48:36.200] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005824)  
But the North to South Railway

**[06:48:37.720] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005825)  
cannot be

**[06:48:39.800] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005826)  
utilized until, I think,

**[06:48:41.600] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005827)  
2032.

**[06:48:43.600] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005828)  
We're talking about

**[06:48:45.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005829)  
2027.

**[06:48:48.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005830)  
Even the subway

**[06:48:48.940] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005831)  
is not meant to

**[06:48:51.220] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005832)  
to,

**[06:48:52.640] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005833)  
we won't be able to utilize

**[06:48:54.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005834)  
it for 2027.

**[06:48:57.520] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005835)  
So, ano talaga yung

**[06:49:01.020] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005836)  
what will

**[06:49:02.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005837)  
pump prime the economy? Not all roads

**[06:49:05.140] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005838)  
built

**[06:49:06.680] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005839)  
translates to

**[06:49:08.760] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005840)  
a share in the economic

**[06:49:12.960] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005841)  
recovery. It doesn't

**[06:49:14.960] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005842)  
follow.

**[06:49:17.220] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005843)  
Taka gumawa ka ng kalsada going to

**[06:49:18.980] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005844)  
nowhere, then it doesn't contribute

**[06:49:20.980] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005845)  
to anything.

**[06:49:22.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005846)  
Madam Speaker, my distinguished

**[06:49:24.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005847)  
colleague, in the cases kasi po

**[06:49:26.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005848)  
of big infrastructure projects,

**[06:49:29.060] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005849)  
malaki po yung economic multiplier

**[06:49:30.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005850)  
niya in terms of, one,

**[06:49:32.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005851)  
the jobs generated,

**[06:49:35.500] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005852)  
and then, particularly

**[06:49:36.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005853)  
po for North-South

**[06:49:38.180] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005854)  
Commuter Railway, the goal po is to

**[06:49:40.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005855)  
have partial operability by

**[06:49:42.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005856)  
end of 2027. So,

**[06:49:44.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005857)  
mag-open na po yung mga

**[06:49:46.460] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005858)  
segments, ito po mga big ticket

**[06:49:48.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005859)  
projects na ito. So, malaki po yung

**[06:49:50.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005860)  
maitutulong niya in terms of

**[06:49:51.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005861)  
transportation and

**[06:49:53.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005862)  
being able to spur growth in the

**[06:49:56.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005863)  
adjacent areas to Metro Manila.

**[06:49:58.800] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005864)  
Madam Speaker,

**[06:50:00.400] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005865)  
good sponsor. Actually,

**[06:50:02.580] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005866)  
during the DOTR

**[06:50:04.220] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005867)  
budget consultation,

**[06:50:06.500] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005868)  
when I asked them kung

**[06:50:08.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005869)  
kailan mapapanda, it was not

**[06:50:10.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005870)  
2027. They were hopeful

**[06:50:12.760] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005871)  
na

**[06:50:13.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005872)  
best case scenario, maaring

**[06:50:16.540] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005873)  
2028, but

**[06:50:18.200] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005874)  
not 2027.

**[06:50:21.200] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005875)  
Which,

**[06:50:21.840] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005876)  
which is,

**[06:50:22.940] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005877)  
well, points to consider.

**[06:50:26.720] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005878)  
But,

**[06:50:30.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005879)  
yung sakin lang is,

**[06:50:32.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005880)  
even to

**[06:50:34.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005881)  
the economic managers,

**[06:50:35.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005882)  
question of,

**[06:50:38.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005883)  
can the economy realistically

**[06:50:40.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005884)  
carry

**[06:50:42.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005885)  
this budget?

**[06:50:43.520] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005886)  
I think we owe it to the Filipino

**[06:50:45.880] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005887)  
people to ask this very

**[06:50:47.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005888)  
question. Kaya ba

**[06:50:49.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005889)  
talagang i-sustain?

**[06:50:51.840] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005890)  
O, ang gagawin lang natin

**[06:50:53.840] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005891)  
next year, mangungutang na naman tayong

**[06:50:56.460] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005892)  
mas malaki because we have to

**[06:50:57.820] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005893)  
service more debt.

**[06:51:01.080] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005894)  
And then,

**[06:51:02.500] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005895)  
malulunod lang tayo sa utang.

**[06:51:05.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005896)  
Why is it my concern?

**[06:51:07.720] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005897)  
For 2027,

**[06:51:09.240] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005898)  
the government,

**[06:51:10.280] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005899)  
the government's fiscal program

**[06:51:12.340] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005900)  
on recovery

**[06:51:13.240] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005901)  
pegged GDP growth

**[06:51:16.540] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005902)  
at 5 to 6 percent.

**[06:51:19.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005903)  
And 4 to 5

**[06:51:21.680] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005904)  
percent inflation. We all know

**[06:51:23.680] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005905)  
that will not happen. Inflation will

**[06:51:25.720] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005906)  
shoot up next year.

**[06:51:28.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005907)  
GDP will not go up

**[06:51:29.880] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005908)  
next year.

**[06:51:31.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005909)  
Ngayon pa lang, nararamdaman na nang

**[06:51:33.320] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005910)  
if you talk to big

**[06:51:35.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005911)  
or big,

**[06:51:37.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005912)  
well, the big businessmen in our

**[06:51:39.560] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005913)  
country, lahat

**[06:51:41.580] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005914)  
sila ify

**[06:51:43.560] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005915)  
to add new investments.

**[06:51:46.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005916)  
So,

**[06:51:47.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005917)  
parang hopeful yung target

**[06:51:49.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005918)  
natin. Given

**[06:51:51.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005919)  
that for the second quarter of

**[06:51:53.300] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005920)  
2026, real GDP growth

**[06:51:55.500] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005921)  
was 2.3 percent.

**[06:51:58.020] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005922)  
August inflation,

**[06:51:59.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005923)  
6.1 percent as I stated.

**[06:52:02.420] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005924)  
Second quarter of

**[06:52:03.520] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005925)  
gross capital formation was

**[06:52:05.480] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005926)  
negative 9.2 percent.

**[06:52:08.540] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005927)  
Foreign direct investment

**[06:52:09.680] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005928)  
fell

**[06:52:11.380] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005929)  
to 3.3

**[06:52:12.780] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005930)  
billion dollars.

**[06:52:16.680] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005931)  
Debt to GDP,

**[06:52:18.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005932)  
66 percent.

**[06:52:20.280] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005933)  
Ah, yes.

**[06:52:21.440] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005934)  
In

**[06:52:22.320] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005935)  
outstanding debt,

**[06:52:26.740] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005936)  
19.39 trillion.

**[06:52:29.660] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005937)  
Now, kung rosy yung

**[06:52:31.220] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005938)  
outlook nyo, given this

**[06:52:32.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005939)  
economic

**[06:52:33.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005940)  
backdrop,

**[06:52:37.980] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005941)  
may problema tayo.

**[06:53:19.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005948)  
Madam Speaker, my distinguished colleague, if we would look at the growth in the budget from 2026 to 2027,

**[06:53:30.820] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005949)  
while in nominal terms, nag-increase po siya by 6%, in real terms po, hindi siya nag-increase.

**[06:53:37.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005950)  
So actually, hindi po na siya in-increase because of the current situation.

**[06:53:43.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005951)  
But looking at the debt projections po, if we look at the general government debt to GDP projections from 2026 to 2030,

**[06:53:54.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005952)  
which we can use as an indicator of the sustainability of our debt levels,

**[06:53:58.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005953)  
the goal po is for it to reduce from 58.6% to 56.1%, which is below the 70% benchmark po for the general government debt to GDP ratio.

**[06:54:13.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005954)  
So the goal po is little by little through fiscal consolidation and quality spending,

**[06:54:20.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005955)  
which would hopefully spur growth, we'll be able to bridge the deficit po and make sure the debt is sustainable.

**[06:54:27.920] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005956)  
Well, yung sustainability of our national debt, maaaring nating tanggapin yung binigay mo, Madam Chair.

**[06:54:40.340] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005957)  
If ang binabangga natin,

**[06:54:43.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005958)  
is yung debt servicing vis-a-vis na 7.2 national budget.

**[06:54:49.800] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005959)  
But if we, pero dapat ibangga natin yung debt servicing natin dun sa ano eh,

**[06:54:55.460] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005960)  
sa projected revenues na 5.2%, dahil hindi naman nakakadagdag sa ekonomiya natin yung mga ibang kinargahan nung ano eh,

**[06:55:06.160] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005961)  
nung 7.2 eh, lalo na yung...

**[06:55:10.840] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005962)  
So, lalampas ka nung ano eh.

**[06:55:13.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005963)  
Lalampas ka sa 30% to 40% na acceptable eh.

**[06:55:31.180] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005964)  
Because interest now, interest payment consumes a bigger share of the revenue.

**[06:55:39.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005965)  
Pagka umapak ng 30% to 40%, then...

**[06:55:43.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005966)  
It's a, it's a red flag.

**[06:55:56.300] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005967)  
Thank you.

**[06:56:13.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005968)  
Madam Speaker, my distinguished colleague, the goal is to make sure that the borrowings go towards quality spending such that it can expand production capacity.

**[06:56:27.340] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005969)  
Kasi po, speaking to DOF, it looks like we won't be able to generate revenues as much given the current parameters.

**[06:56:37.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005970)  
So talaga pong we will have to rely on us being able to expand our production capacity.

**[06:56:43.100] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005971)  
Through quality spending of whichever we're borrowing at the moment.

**[06:56:48.320] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005972)  
I understand. That's why I've been asking kung ano yung quality spending na yun eh.

**[06:56:55.140] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005973)  
Because I was looking for it dun sa HGAB natin.

**[06:57:00.500] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005974)  
And hindi ko talaga mahanap yung punto na yun eh.

**[06:57:10.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005975)  
We have to understand that the 2027 budget assumes...

**[06:57:13.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005976)  
A fairly significant economic rebound.

**[06:57:16.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005977)  
Kaya nga, 7.2 trillion yung hinihingi, ang prinupose.

**[06:57:23.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005978)  
And kaya nga, sinasabi ngayon na kaya natin gawin yun.

**[06:57:27.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005979)  
Now assuming if the economy grows only 2 to 3%, rather than the 5 to 6%, which is projected, ano mangyayari sa atin?

**[06:57:39.140] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005980)  
Kunyari mag-maintain tayo for next year, 2027.

**[06:57:43.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005981)  
2 to 3% lang ang growth rate natin.

**[06:57:47.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005982)  
Not the 5 to 6% which is projected to support the 7.2 trillion budget.

**[06:57:53.300] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005983)  
Three things will happen.

**[06:57:56.360] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005984)  
Kasi three things becomes increasingly difficult.

**[06:57:59.580] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005985)  
Simultaneously hitting the 5.2 trillion in revenues, reducing the deficit to GDP ratio, and preventing the debt ratio from increasing further.

**[06:58:10.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005986)  
Ang magiging choice lang ng gobyerno,

**[06:58:13.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005987)  
Madam Chair, good sponsor,

**[06:58:15.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005988)  
paka nangyari yan, paka 2 to 3% lang tayo,

**[06:58:18.680] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005989)  
ang magiging choice lang ng gobyerno is to borrow more money for 2028,

**[06:58:24.660] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005990)  
raise additional revenues from taxes,

**[06:58:30.200] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005991)  
reduce expenditures,

**[06:58:31.760] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005992)  
or i-delay natin o i-hold yung mga appropriated spending.

**[06:58:38.540] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005993)  
That's the only way that you would be able to control it.

**[06:58:42.500] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005994)  
But...

**[06:58:43.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005995)  
Would that be feasible?

**[06:58:46.140] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005996)  
Well, Madam Chair, good sponsor,

**[06:58:48.720] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005997)  
I just want to remind everyone that

**[06:58:51.520] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005998)  
on the part of debt, foreign debt, or our national debt,

**[06:59:00.960] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-005999)  
debt sustainability increasingly depends on government converting borrowed money into productive

**[06:59:10.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006000)  
income.

**[06:59:13.100] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006001)  
So, that's the only way that you would be able to control it.

**[06:59:16.240] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006003)  
But if we do not do it,

**[06:59:18.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006004)  
nga gastusin lang natin for recurring expenditures, kagaya pagkatinignan mo,

**[06:59:23.340] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006005)  
dito sa 7.2 trillion,

**[06:59:25.280] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006006)  
tignan natin yung breakdown.

**[06:59:26.900] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006007)  
1.982 trillion is for personal services,

**[06:59:31.860] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006008)  
2.944 trillion is for MOUE,

**[06:59:36.060] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006009)  
1.114 trillion is for interest and financial expenses.

**[06:59:41.700] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006010)  
So,

**[06:59:42.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006011)  
as correctly pointed out by Chair Mica,

**[06:59:45.960] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006012)  
what is left is 1.160 trillion for capital expenditure.

**[06:59:51.540] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006013)  
And if that 1.160 trillion is not allocated properly for projects that will prime our economy...

**[07:00:00.000] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006014)  
Representative Suntay, can you wrap up?

**[07:00:03.840] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006015)  
Thank you. Madam Speaker, as I mentioned, pinagsama-sama na natin ito na 30 minutes each.

**[07:00:11.120] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006016)  
Yung sa DepDev, saka sa DBM, yung unang 30 minutes ko tapos na. Isang oras na lang ang matitira.

**[07:00:22.260] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006017)  
Madam Chair, good sponsor. Maraming maraming salamat to.

**[07:00:25.380] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006018)  
As I mentioned, I just needed to point this out because it is truly a cause for concern dahil kawawa naman yung susunod na henerasyon pagka palaki lang ng palaki yung utang at hindi naman natin kayang bayaran na o hindi kayang isustain ng ating ekonomiya.

**[07:00:47.200] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006019)  
Thank you very much.

**[07:00:47.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-006020)  
Thank you, Honorable Suntay.

**[07:00:48.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-006021)  
Quick response lang po, Madam Speaker. Very quick lang po.

**[07:00:51.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-006022)  
So, it's really going to be a combination of qualities.

**[07:00:55.380] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-006023)  
Depending on infrastructure projects and other items with economic multipliers and at the same time po, high economic multipliers and at the same time po, investments in human capital development.

**[07:01:06.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-006024)  
Hopefully po, the combination of both would help expand our production capacity and spur economic growth and hopefully that would help narrow down the deficit.

**[07:01:14.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-006025)  
But we recognize the points raised by the Honorable Bong Suntay. Maraming maraming salamat po.

**[07:01:20.000] Rep. Jesus "Bong" C. Suntay** (asr-006026)  
Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

**[07:01:23.460] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006027)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:01:24.440] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006028)  
Madam Speaker, I move to

**[07:01:25.380] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006029)  
recognize the Honorable Sergio Dagooc.

**[07:01:30.560] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006030)  
Is there any objection? Hearing none.

**[07:01:33.180] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006031)  
Honorable Dagoog is recognized.

**[07:01:35.880] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-006032)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[07:01:37.560] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-006033)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:01:39.120] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-006034)  
Madam Speaker, there being no other members from the minority who wish to interpellate,

**[07:01:46.060] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-006035)  
I move to terminate the interpellation of the general principles

**[07:01:55.380] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-006036)  
and provisions of House Bill 10858.

**[07:02:06.860] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-006037)  
I so move, Madam Speaker.

**[07:02:09.100] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006038)  
What does the House say?

**[07:02:12.440] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006040)  
Madam Speaker, on the part of the majority, we join the

**[07:02:13.640] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006041)  
minority in the motion to terminate the debate of general principles and provisions.

**[07:02:21.700] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006042)  
There is a joint motion to terminate the debate on general principles and provisions.

**[07:02:27.840] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006051)  
Is there any objection?

**[07:02:30.200] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006052)  
The chair hears none.

**[07:02:31.460] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006053)  
The interpellation and debate is now terminated.

**[07:02:34.700] Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc** (asr-006054)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[07:02:40.720] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006055)  
Madam Speaker, I move to suspend consideration

**[07:02:43.240] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006056)  
of House Bill No. 10858.

**[07:02:58.600] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006057)  
Consideration of House Bill

**[07:03:00.420] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006058)  
No. 10858

**[07:03:03.740] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006059)  
is hereby suspended.

**[07:03:10.460] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006060)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:03:11.380] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006061)  
Madam Speaker, I move that we take up additional reference of business

**[07:03:14.320] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006062)  
and request the Secretary General

**[07:03:16.300] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006063)  
to read the title of the bills

**[07:03:17.660] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006064)  
and resolutions on first reading

**[07:03:19.660] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006065)  
as well as communications and committee reports.

**[07:03:22.200] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006066)  
The Secretary is directed

**[07:03:23.980] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006067)  
to read the title of the bill.

**[07:03:25.380] Secretary-General** (asr-006068)  
Additional reference of business.

**[07:03:29.700] Secretary-General** (asr-006069)  
Message from the Senate.

**[07:03:31.640] Secretary-General** (asr-006070)  
Message dated

**[07:03:32.540] Secretary-General** (asr-006071)  
September 14, 2026

**[07:03:35.120] Secretary-General** (asr-006072)  
informing the House that on an even date

**[07:03:37.500] Secretary-General** (asr-006073)  
the Senate passed the following Senate bills

**[07:03:39.920] Secretary-General** (asr-006074)  
in which it requests

**[07:03:41.800] Secretary-General** (asr-006075)  
the concurrence of the House.

**[07:03:43.840] Secretary-General** (asr-006076)  
Senate Bill 2272

**[07:03:45.840] Secretary-General** (asr-006077)  
on the proposed Expanded National

**[07:03:47.520] Secretary-General** (asr-006078)  
Nutrition Program Act.

**[07:03:50.000] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006079)  
To the Committee on Basic Education

**[07:03:51.680] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006080)  
and Culture.

**[07:03:53.240] Secretary-General** (asr-006081)  
Senate Bill

**[07:03:54.360] Secretary-General** (asr-006082)  
1926

**[07:03:55.380] Secretary-General** (asr-006083)  
on the proposed

**[07:03:57.000] Secretary-General** (asr-006084)  
Child Tourist Safety Act

**[07:03:58.640] Secretary-General** (asr-006085)  
or Sandys Act.

**[07:04:00.540] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006086)  
To the Committee on Tourism.

**[07:04:03.020] Secretary-General** (asr-006087)  
Senate Bill 2421

**[07:04:05.060] Secretary-General** (asr-006088)  
on the proposed adequate

**[07:04:06.620] Secretary-General** (asr-006089)  
and decent housing through

**[07:04:08.420] Secretary-General** (asr-006090)  
[unclear] Act.

**[07:04:10.940] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006091)  
To the Committee on Housing and Urban Development.

**[07:04:14.540] Secretary-General** (asr-006092)  
Senate Bill

**[07:04:15.180] Secretary-General** (asr-006093)  
2387

**[07:04:16.060] Secretary-General** (asr-006094)  
fixing the term of Office of Barangay Officials

**[07:04:19.220] Secretary-General** (asr-006095)  
and Members of the Sangudinang Kabataan

**[07:04:21.120] Secretary-General** (asr-006096)  
to five years

**[07:04:22.340] Secretary-General** (asr-006097)  
amending Republic Act No. 12232

**[07:04:25.380] Secretary-General** (asr-006098)  
or an Act setting the term of Office

**[07:04:27.880] Secretary-General** (asr-006099)  
of Barangay Officials and Members of the Sangudinang Kabataan

**[07:04:31.080] Secretary-General** (asr-006100)  
and for other purposes.

**[07:04:33.080] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006101)  
To the Committee on Local Government.

**[07:04:35.980] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006102)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:04:39.000] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006103)  
Madam Speaker,

**[07:04:40.840] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006104)  
in accordance with the rules governing inquiries

**[07:04:43.200] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006105)  
in aid of legislation,

**[07:04:45.040] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006106)  
I move to refer the following House resolutions

**[07:04:47.280] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006107)  
to the appropriate committees.

**[07:04:49.340] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006108)  
House Resolution 1429

**[07:04:51.160] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006109)  
to the Committees on Energy,

**[07:04:53.340] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006110)  
Visayas Development,

**[07:04:55.380] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006111)  
and Legislative Franchises.

**[07:04:56.640] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006112)  
House Resolution 1430

**[07:04:59.240] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006113)  
to the Committees on Energy,

**[07:05:01.340] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006114)  
Visayas Development and Legislative Franchises.

**[07:05:03.760] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006115)  
And House Resolution 1439

**[07:05:08.160] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006116)  
to the Committees on Energy,

**[07:05:10.100] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006117)  
Visayas Development,

**[07:05:12.040] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006118)  
and Legislative Franchises.

**[07:05:14.120] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006119)  
Is there any objection?

**[07:05:16.200] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006120)  
Hearing none, the motion is approved.

**[07:05:18.840] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006121)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:05:19.680] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006122)  
Madam Speaker, I move for the change of referral

**[07:05:22.340] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006123)  
of House Resolutions Nos.

**[07:05:25.000] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006124)  
1024,

**[07:05:25.380] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006125)  
1031

**[07:05:26.000] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006126)  
and 1114.

**[07:05:30.020] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006127)  
From the Committees on Energy and Legislative Franchises

**[07:05:32.840] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006128)  
to the Committees on Energy, Visayas Development

**[07:05:35.880] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006129)  
and Legislative Franchises.

**[07:05:37.700] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006130)  
Is there any objection? Hearing none.

**[07:05:40.680] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006131)  
Motion is approved.

**[07:05:42.120] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006132)  
Madam Speaker, I move to suspend session

**[07:05:44.200] Rep. Munir N. Arbison Jr.** (asr-006133)  
for a few minutes.

**[07:05:45.600] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006134)  
Motion suspended.

**[07:23:51.500] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006172)  
Madam Speaker, I move that we resume consideration of House Bill No. 10858, and for this purpose request the Secretary General to read the title of the bill.

**[07:24:00.000] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006173)  
The Secretary General is directed to read the title of the bill.

**[07:24:05.280] Secretary-General** (asr-006174)  
House Bill 10858, An Act Appropriating Funds for the Operation of the Government of the Republic of the Philippines from January 1 to December 31, 2027.

**[07:24:20.360] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006175)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:24:21.660] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006176)  
Madam Speaker, the parliamentary status of the bill is that we are in the period of sponsorship and debate.

**[07:24:28.100] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006177)  
Madam Speaker, I move to consider the proposed budget of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

**[07:24:39.540] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006178)  
We consider the proposed budget of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

**[07:24:51.520] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006179)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:24:53.060] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006180)  
Including the attached agency.

**[07:25:10.440] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006181)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:25:11.060] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006182)  
Madam Speaker, may we acknowledge the heads and officials of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

**[07:25:19.380] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006183)  
Secretary Arsenio Balisacan, Usec Rosemarie Edillon, Usec Dennis Mapa, Usec Joseph Capuno,

**[07:25:28.100] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006184)  
Usec Melbourne Ziro Pana, Usec Glenda Rumohr, Asec Reynaldo Cancio, Asec Roderick Planta, Asec Agnes Tolentino,

**[07:25:38.780] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006185)  
Executive Director Lisa Grace Bersales, Senior VP Magdalena Mendoza, President Philip Arnold Tuanyo,

**[07:25:48.220] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006186)  
Executive Director Donald James Gaue, Executive Director Josefina Almeda, Chairperson Mary Lou Mendoza, and Deputy Executive Director Eleazer E. Ricote.

**[07:26:00.500] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006187)  
We acknowledge the presence of the heads and officials from the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

**[07:26:07.760] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006188)  
Welcome to the House of Representatives.

**[07:26:10.260] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006189)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:26:11.800] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006190)  
Madam Speaker, I move that we open the period of sponsorship and debate.

**[07:26:17.300] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006191)  
Is there any objection?

**[07:26:19.060] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006192)  
Hearing none, motion is approved.

**[07:26:24.180] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006193)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:26:25.060] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006194)  
Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the

**[07:26:28.100] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006195)  
Honorable Bella Vanessa Suansing, Vice Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations, to sponsor the proposed budget of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

**[07:26:40.260] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006196)  
Representative Bella Suansing, Vice Chairperson of the Committee on Appropriations, is hereby recognized.

**[07:26:48.260] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006197)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[07:26:51.260] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006198)  
Madam Speaker, distinguished colleagues, this representation has the great privilege of sponsoring the proposed budget

**[07:26:57.260] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006199)  
of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development.

**[07:26:57.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006200)  
The Department of Economy, Planning, and Development, or DepDev, and its attached agencies for fiscal year 2027, amounting to 18.474 billion pesos.

**[07:27:09.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006201)  
As a primary policy, planning, coordinating, and monitoring arm of the national government, DEPDev has continually assured the formulation of policies that pursue the objectives of the Philippine Development Plan 2023?2028

**[07:27:27.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006202)  
to shepherd economic

**[07:27:28.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006203)  
and social transformation through productive and strategic investments in the country?s social and economic sectors.

**[07:27:38.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006204)  
At a time when our country faces external headwinds that raise challenges to each segment of Philippine society,

**[07:27:42.140] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006205)  
it is incumbent upon our government and this Congress

**[07:27:46.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006206)  
to assure the continued operations of DEPDev in pursuit of its mandate

**[07:27:55.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006207)  
to facilitate policies that encourage local investment,

**[07:27:57.140] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006211)  
coordinate

**[07:27:59.260] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006212)  
the vertical and horizontal alignment

**[07:28:01.380] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006213)  
and coherence of national and

**[07:28:03.180] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006214)  
subnational policies, plans, and programs,

**[07:28:06.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006215)  
and to generate impartial,

**[07:28:08.620] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006216)  
objective, and

**[07:28:09.280] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006217)  
evidence-based policy analysis and recommendations.

**[07:28:12.680] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006218)  
It is then

**[07:28:13.280] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006219)  
the humble appeal of this representation

**[07:28:14.900] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006220)  
for this Chamber to support the immediate

**[07:28:17.040] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006221)  
passage of the proposed fiscal year

**[07:28:18.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006222)  
2027 budget of the Department of

**[07:28:21.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006223)  
Economy, Planning, and Development.

**[07:28:23.380] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006224)  
This representation is ready

**[07:28:25.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006225)  
to answer questions and look forward to

**[07:28:27.040] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006226)  
very productive discussions.

**[07:28:30.360] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006227)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[07:28:31.900] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006228)  
Majority Leader.

**[07:28:33.360] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006229)  
Madam Speaker, I move that we

**[07:28:35.040] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006230)  
recognize the Honorable J.C.

**[07:28:37.100] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006231)  
Abalos of the

**[07:28:38.520] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006232)  
4Ps Party-list to interpellate

**[07:28:40.920] Rep. Jeyzel Victoria C. Yu** (asr-006233)  
on the proposed budget of DEPDev.

**[07:28:43.740] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006234)  
Is there any objection? Hearing none.

**[07:28:45.340] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006235)  
Representative Abalos is recognized.

**[07:28:48.600] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006236)  
Madam Speaker,

**[07:28:49.640] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006237)  
distinguished sponsor sa

**[07:28:51.320] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006238)  
DEPTEV, pati sa kanyang mga naka-akibat

**[07:28:53.760] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006239)  
na ahensya, magandang-magandang

**[07:28:55.520] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006240)  
gabi po. Madam Speaker,

**[07:28:57.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006241)  
will the distinguished sponsor yield to a few

**[07:28:59.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006242)  
questions?

**[07:29:00.900] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006243)  
Yes, gladly, Madam Speaker.

**[07:29:03.020] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006244)  
Maraming maraming salamat po, Madam Speaker,

**[07:29:05.380] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006245)  
distinguished sponsor.

**[07:29:06.920] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006246)  
For the information of the distinguished sponsor

**[07:29:09.200] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006247)  
as well as the DEPTEV,

**[07:29:10.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006248)  
ikatlong budget cycle na po ito, Madam Speaker,

**[07:29:13.020] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006249)  
na nais ko pong magtanong

**[07:29:14.840] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006250)  
tungkol sa community-based monitoring

**[07:29:17.240] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006251)  
system na pinapangunahan

**[07:29:18.800] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006252)  
ng Philippine Statistics Authority.

**[07:29:21.840] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006253)  
Noong

**[07:29:22.220] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006254)  
2019, Madam Speaker, ipinasan

**[07:29:25.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006255)  
natin ang Republic Act No. 11315,

**[07:29:27.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006256)  
o ang Community-Based

**[07:29:29.220] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006257)  
Monitoring System Act.

**[07:29:31.500] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006258)  
Simula noon, taon-taon

**[07:29:33.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006259)  
ay naglalaan ang gobyerno

**[07:29:34.680] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006260)  
ng pondo para maitayo, ma-implement,

**[07:29:37.480] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006261)  
ma-validate, at magamit

**[07:29:38.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006262)  
ang sistemang ito. And, Madam Speaker,

**[07:29:41.360] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006263)  
hindi po maliit ang halaga

**[07:29:42.940] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006264)  
na pinag-uusapan natin tungkol

**[07:29:45.000] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006265)  
diton. Para lamang sa

**[07:29:46.600] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006266)  
2024 nationwide operation

**[07:29:48.740] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006267)  
ng POPCEN CBMS,

**[07:29:51.080] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006268)  
bilyong-bilyong piso ang

**[07:29:52.580] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006269)  
inilaan para sa CBMS.

**[07:29:54.720] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006270)  
At ngayong 2027,

**[07:29:57.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006271)  
humihingi na naman tayo ng humigit-

**[07:29:59.200] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006272)  
kumulang

**[07:30:00.000] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006273)  
5.06 billion para sa CBMS, para sa panibagong cycle.

**[07:30:05.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006274)  
Unang-una, pwede po ba ito kumpirmahin ng ating sponsor

**[07:30:09.120] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006275)  
na may halagang mahigit kumulang 5.06 billion para sa CBMS for year 2027?

**[07:30:16.140] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006276)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:30:17.360] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006277)  
Madam Speaker, would the distinguished sponsor also confirm

**[07:30:19.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006278)  
that for year 2024 when the POPCEN CBMS was conducted,

**[07:30:24.500] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006279)  
meron rin ditong budget na nakaalan na humigit kumulang 5 billion piso din?

**[07:30:28.200] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006280)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:30:58.200] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006281)  
Ang 2027, 10 billion na agad to.

**[07:31:01.440] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006282)  
So nais ko po malaman, Madam Chair,

**[07:31:03.300] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006283)  
mula nung naisabatas ang CBMS,

**[07:31:05.920] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006284)  
magkano na po ang total appropriations na ininvest ng ating pamahalaan sa CBMS?

**[07:31:28.200] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006285)  
Madam Speaker, perhaps we could stop my time as we wait for the response from the sponsor.

**[07:31:38.240] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006286)  
Yes.

**[07:31:39.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006287)  
And then from 2024...

**[07:32:52.500] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006348)  
Madam Speaker, so from 2019 to 2023, given that we were only doing pilot programs for the CBMS, 500 million po yung inallocate natin for the CBMS.

**[07:33:14.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006349)  
And then for 2024, mayroon na pong 5 billion kasi full-fledged na po yung pag-implement because it was a census year. We conducted the census in 2024, so for 2025 and 2026, again 500 million annually.

**[07:33:31.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006350)  
And then for 2027, since we're also conducting the census for 2027, 5 billion din po ang i-allocate.

**[07:33:38.680] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006351)  
Maraming salamat po, distinguished sponsor. So, uulitin ko lang po, Madam Speaker.

**[07:33:43.740] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006352)  
Kung sakaling papayagan po natin na bigyan muli ng mahigit 5 bilyong piso ang CBMS,

**[07:33:50.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006353)  
ang ibig sabihin ito, mula nung naisabatas ang CBMS, magkakaroon po tayo ng more than 10 billion pesos that will be allocated to the CBMS.

**[07:34:00.680] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006354)  
Just one thing I want to make clear here, Madam Speaker. Hindi po ako tutol sa CBMS.

**[07:34:05.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006355)  
As a matter of fact, I fully support it.

**[07:34:07.980] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006356)  
When the CBMS Act was enacted into law, I thought that this would be a time wherein this would usher a new era

**[07:34:15.380] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006357)  
kung saan meron po tayong data-driven at evidence-based governance.

**[07:34:21.120] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006358)  
Kaya nga po mula naging membro ako ng Kongreso, taon-taon, parating ko po tinatanong kung ano yung mga nagiging accomplishment ng CBMS

**[07:34:28.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006359)  
dahil nagsisilbi po itong gabay, hindi lamang sa LGU, kung hindi, sa bawat ahensya po ng pamahalaan.

**[07:34:36.420] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006360)  
Ngayon, ngayong nalaman po natin ang potential investment natin sa CBMS, gusto ko po malaman, Madam Speaker, kung ano ang nakuha natin kapalit nito.

**[07:34:47.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006361)  
Uulitin ko po, Madam Speaker, we've spent more than 5 billion pesos for the CBMS and we're looking to invest 5 billion pesos more.

**[07:34:55.940] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006362)  
It's very important for us to know kung ano ang kabalitan.

**[07:34:58.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006363)  
Kung ano ang buoang investment na makukuha natin kapalit nito.

**[07:35:04.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006364)  
Unang-una, Madam Speaker, importante ang CBMS dahil hindi nakuhulaan ng gobyerno kung saan ang kahirapan.

**[07:35:13.060] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006365)  
Hindi na kanyang-kanyang listahan ang bawat ahensya.

**[07:35:16.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006366)  
Hindi na dapat may hiwalay na listahan ang DSWD, ang ibang departamento, at ibang listahan ng LGU na hindi nagtutugma.

**[07:35:24.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006367)  
Kaya po ipinasa ang CBMS Act para magkaroon tayo ng ehem.

**[07:35:28.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006368)  
Updated, disaggregated, household level information na maaaring gamitin ng national government at local government

**[07:35:37.940] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006369)  
para malaman natin sino sa ating populasyon, sino sa pamayanan ang nangangailangan, nasaan sila, ano ang kailangan nila,

**[07:35:46.540] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006370)  
at saan dapat mapunta ang limitadong pondo ng gobyerno.

**[07:35:50.940] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006371)  
And after all these years, and after all these billions allocated, magandang malaman po natin, Madam Speaker,

**[07:35:58.220] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006372)  
kung na-deliverance.

**[07:35:58.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006373)  
Mag-deliver ba natin ang pangakong yun?

**[07:36:02.020] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006374)  
Madam Speaker, as I've said, taon-taon po natin sinusubaybayan ang CBMS.

**[07:36:07.560] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006375)  
As a matter of fact, during the deliberations for the 2025 budget, if my recollection is correct,

**[07:36:15.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006376)  
the PSA said, on the plenary, as we were deliberating its budget, noong 2025, 70% completed ang CBMS.

**[07:36:26.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006377)  
And during that time, they even provided us original targets.

**[07:36:30.620] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006378)  
This is all on the record, Madam Speaker.

**[07:36:33.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006379)  
They said, October or December 2024, tatapusin na nila.

**[07:36:38.160] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006380)  
Ngunit, hindi nasunod.

**[07:36:40.400] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006381)  
And then during the succeeding budget deliberations, last year, August last year,

**[07:36:45.940] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006382)  
sinabi po sa atin na completed na ang 2024 CBMS covering approximately 26.3 million households.

**[07:36:54.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006383)  
Could the distinguished sponsor?

**[07:36:56.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006384)  
Could the distinguished sponsor confirm this?

**[07:37:00.700] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006385)  
This is all on the record, Madam Speaker.

**[07:37:03.260] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006386)  
Sinabi po sa atin ng PSA last year,

**[07:37:06.120] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006387)  
kumpleto na ang CBMS covering 26.3 million households.

**[07:37:13.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006388)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[07:37:15.700] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006389)  
Just to the first point,

**[07:37:17.680] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006390)  
we are one with our distinguished colleague that it's actually one of the mandates of the DepDep.

**[07:37:24.460] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006391)  
It's supposed to generate,

**[07:37:26.700] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006392)  
impartial and evidence-based analysis and programs that pursue national development.

**[07:37:32.160] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006393)  
So that is precisely the reason why we establish a CBMS.

**[07:37:37.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006394)  
Just with regards to the accomplishments of the CBMS,

**[07:37:41.140] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006395)  
this is from, according to the PSA,

**[07:37:44.620] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006396)  
26.9 million households were collected information from,

**[07:37:50.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006397)  
yeah, from out of the 29.7 million total households.

**[07:37:54.280] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006398)  
So that's 91%.

**[07:37:56.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006399)  
After that,

**[07:37:57.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006400)  
and 2.9 million households were then identified as poor.

**[07:38:03.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006401)  
Another 2.5 million households were identified as near poor.

**[07:38:07.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006402)  
So,

**[07:38:08.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006403)  
Madam Speaker,

**[07:38:09.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006404)  
could the distinguished sponsor confirm kung last year during the plenary budget deliberations,

**[07:38:16.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006405)  
the PSA mentioned here in the plenary that the CBMS was completed,

**[07:38:22.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006406)  
covering more than 26 million households.

**[07:38:24.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006407)  
This is all in the record.

**[07:38:25.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006408)  
And gusto ko lang ito.

**[07:38:25.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006409)  
And gusto ko lang po i-confirm ng distinguished sponsor na

**[07:38:28.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006410)  
yun po ang naging representation ng PSA dito sa Kongreso.

**[07:38:31.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006411)  
Kompleto na daw siya as of last year.

**[07:38:34.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006412)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:38:35.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006413)  
We confirm that we did indeed say that the CBMS was complete.

**[07:38:40.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006414)  
All data was transmitted to the DSWD for their evaluation on the conditionality.

**[07:38:48.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006415)  
Of course, for the assessments and so that they can be guided in terms of

**[07:38:53.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006416)  
what programs to evaluate.

**[07:38:54.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006417)  
What programs to institute.

**[07:38:56.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006418)  
With that being said,

**[07:38:58.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006419)  
the data that was collected because the CBMS was completed

**[07:39:03.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006420)  
was used for the following DSWD programs,

**[07:39:06.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006421)  
the four-piece program,

**[07:39:08.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006422)  
the walang gutom program,

**[07:39:10.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006423)  
the social pension,

**[07:39:12.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006424)  
and the uplift beneficiaries which we ruled out because of the fuel crisis.

**[07:39:16.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006425)  
That's only for 2026.

**[07:39:18.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006426)  
Madam Speaker,

**[07:39:19.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006427)  
and if I also remember correctly,

**[07:39:21.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006428)  
binanggit rin po ng PSA sa atin dito,

**[07:39:23.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006429)  
last year,

**[07:39:24.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006430)  
hindi lamang DSWD ang nag-request ng datos na ito.

**[07:39:27.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006431)  
At sinabi po ito ng budget sponsor last year.

**[07:39:30.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006432)  
Sinabi nila na noong,

**[07:39:32.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006433)  
for year 2026,

**[07:39:34.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006434)  
may mga ahensya po,

**[07:39:36.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006435)  
hindi lamang DSWD,

**[07:39:37.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006436)  
kundi kasama dito ang DA, DOE,

**[07:39:39.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006437)  
TESDA,

**[07:39:40.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006438)  
NCSC,

**[07:39:41.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006439)  
DepEd,

**[07:39:42.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006440)  
DOLE,

**[07:39:43.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006441)  
DOH,

**[07:39:44.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006442)  
kung saan naghihingi po sila ng datos.

**[07:39:47.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006443)  
So hindi lamang DSWD programs dito.

**[07:39:49.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006444)  
As a matter of fact,

**[07:39:50.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006445)  
the CBMS is the backbone

**[07:39:52.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006446)  
of all our programs.

**[07:39:54.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006447)  
Ito po yung datos na mag-guide,

**[07:39:56.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006448)  
hindi lamang sa ating mga policy makers,

**[07:39:58.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006449)  
kung hindi,

**[07:39:59.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006450)  
pati sa implementers ng ating mga programs.

**[07:40:01.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006451)  
And could the distinguished sponsor confirm this?

**[07:40:03.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006452)  
Hindi lamang DSWD,

**[07:40:04.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006453)  
kundi lahat ng iba't ibang ahensya ng pamahalaan.

**[07:40:07.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006454)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:40:09.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006455)  
As a matter of fact,

**[07:40:10.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006456)  
besides all of the

**[07:40:11.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006457)  
agencies mentioned by our distinguished colleague,

**[07:40:14.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006458)  
so that's DSWD,

**[07:40:15.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006459)  
DA,

**[07:40:16.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006460)  
DOE,

**[07:40:17.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006461)  
PhilHealth,

**[07:40:18.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006462)  
DOLE,

**[07:40:19.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006463)  
the National Commission on Senior Citizens,

**[07:40:21.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006464)  
so this is for the social attention,

**[07:40:23.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006465)  
the DepEd,

**[07:40:24.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006466)  
the TESDA,

**[07:40:25.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006467)  
the DOH,

**[07:40:26.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006468)  
and the National Council on Disability Affairs.

**[07:40:28.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006469)  
Madam Speaker,

**[07:40:29.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006470)  
gusto ko po malaman,

**[07:40:31.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006471)  
ano ba ang definition ng Philippine Statistics Authority

**[07:40:34.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006472)  
kung sinabi nila na completed na ang CBMS?

**[07:40:37.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006473)  
Kasi last year sinabi nila,

**[07:40:38.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006474)  
completed na,

**[07:40:39.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006475)  
covering 26.3 million households.

**[07:40:42.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006476)  
Let me remind everyone once again,

**[07:40:44.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006477)  
limang bilyong piso ang ginastos natin dito.

**[07:40:47.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006478)  
And it's not just about the collection of data eh.

**[07:40:50.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006479)  
Ang makalaga dito kung paano ginagamit ang datos na ito,

**[07:40:53.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006480)  
lalong-lalo na na pinaplano natin ang budget ng buong pamahalaan.

**[07:40:58.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006481)  
Madam Speaker,

**[07:41:00.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006482)  
the definition of the completion of the CBMS is that

**[07:41:03.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006483)  
all data has been gathered,

**[07:41:05.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006484)  
all data has been transmitted to the respective agencies

**[07:41:08.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006485)  
and also to all of the LGUs.

**[07:41:10.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006486)  
So, Madam Speaker,

**[07:41:11.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006487)  
just to clarify ah,

**[07:41:13.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006488)  
when the PSA says that the CBMS was completed,

**[07:41:16.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006489)  
kasama dito yung enumeration,

**[07:41:18.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006490)  
data collection,

**[07:41:19.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006491)  
processing,

**[07:41:21.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006492)  
validation,

**[07:41:22.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006493)  
turnover,

**[07:41:23.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006494)  
at dahil nagagamit na talaga siya

**[07:41:25.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006495)  
ng mga ahensya ng pamahalaan,

**[07:41:26.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006496)  
pati ng mga LGU?

**[07:41:28.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006497)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:41:30.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006498)  
Okay.

**[07:41:31.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006499)  
Madam Speaker,

**[07:41:32.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006500)  
so to recall,

**[07:41:33.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006501)  
last year,

**[07:41:34.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006502)  
sinabi ng PSA

**[07:41:35.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006503)  
that they have completed the CBMS.

**[07:41:38.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006504)  
We've spent more than 5 billion pesos for this.

**[07:41:41.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006505)  
Meron po ako ditong sulat mismo.

**[07:41:43.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006506)  
Mula sa Philippine Statistics Authority,

**[07:41:47.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006507)  
dated June 26, 2026,

**[07:41:50.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006508)  
addressed to the Committee on Poverty Alleviation.

**[07:41:53.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006509)  
According to that letter, Madam Speaker,

**[07:41:57.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006510)  
1,499 out of 1,628 cities and municipalities

**[07:42:05.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006511)  
or 92% had received their respective 2024 CBMS data files.

**[07:42:13.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006512)  
Meaning, Madam Speaker,

**[07:42:15.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006513)  
kahit na sinasabi ng PSA na kompleto na ang CBMS,

**[07:42:19.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006514)  
it appears that 129 LGUs had still not received their data.

**[07:42:27.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006515)  
So, Madam Speaker,

**[07:42:29.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006516)  
kung sinabi natin noong 2025 last year na complete na siya,

**[07:42:33.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006517)  
pero pagdating ng June this year,

**[07:42:36.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006518)  
meron pa tayong 129 LGUs na naghihintay pa rin,

**[07:42:40.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006519)  
ano po talaga ang ibig sabihin ng complete, Madam Speaker?

**[07:42:54.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006524)  
perhaps we could pause my time as we wait for her response.

**[07:43:10.300] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006533)  
Could our distinguished colleague please repeat the date of the

**[07:43:13.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006539)  
letter that you received?

**[07:43:16.300] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006540)  
June 16,

**[07:43:17.920] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006541)  
2026.

**[07:43:20.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006542)  
Thank you, Madam

**[07:43:22.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006543)  
Speaker. Thank you, Distinguished Colleague.

**[07:43:23.620] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006544)  
As of now, as for the PSA, all

**[07:43:25.980] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006545)  
1,604

**[07:43:27.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006546)  
LGUs have

**[07:43:29.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006547)  
received the data for the CBMS.

**[07:43:32.420] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006548)  
Partly the reason why

**[07:43:34.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006549)  
probably as of

**[07:43:36.200] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006550)  
June, around

**[07:43:38.180] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006551)  
129

**[07:43:39.580] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006552)  
LGUs have yet to receive their

**[07:43:42.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006553)  
CBMS data

**[07:43:43.980] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006554)  
is that one of the

**[07:43:46.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006555)  
requirements for the LGUs

**[07:43:47.740] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006556)  
before they receive

**[07:43:49.060] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006557)  
the CBMS data would be

**[07:43:51.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006558)  
the existence or the designation

**[07:43:54.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006559)  
of a National Privacy Officer.

**[07:43:55.980] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006560)  
Sorry, a Data Privacy Officer

**[07:43:57.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006561)  
for the National Privacy Commission.

**[07:44:00.600] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006562)  
So that might be one of the

**[07:44:02.140] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006563)  
reasons why as of June, there

**[07:44:04.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006564)  
was a delay. But now, we

**[07:44:06.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006565)  
can confirm, as per

**[07:44:08.060] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006566)  
the PSA, that all 1,604

**[07:44:10.620] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006567)  
LGUs have received

**[07:44:12.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006568)  
their CBMS data.

**[07:44:14.380] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006569)  
Madam Speaker, so is it safe to say

**[07:44:15.880] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006570)  
that all LGUs

**[07:44:18.300] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006571)  
already have a final and

**[07:44:20.020] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006572)  
usable CBMS

**[07:44:21.680] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006573)  
data set?

**[07:44:25.400] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006574)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:44:26.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006575)  
May na-monitor po ba, Madam Speaker,

**[07:44:28.620] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006576)  
ng PSA kung

**[07:44:30.280] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006577)  
ilang LGU ang

**[07:44:31.720] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006578)  
aktual nang gumagamit ng CBMS

**[07:44:34.020] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006579)  
para sa local planning, budgeting,

**[07:44:36.000] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006580)  
investment programming, and beneficiary

**[07:44:38.240] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006581)  
targeting? Pati na rin po sa

**[07:44:40.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006582)  
ating mga national government,

**[07:44:42.080] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006583)  
government agencies, pati sa mga departments.

**[07:44:46.040] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006584)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:44:48.200] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006585)  
Besides that, the PSA also conducts

**[07:44:50.320] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006586)  
trainings for local employees

**[07:44:52.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006587)  
and also monitoring

**[07:44:54.260] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006588)  
of their processes.

**[07:44:57.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006589)  
Can the PSA furnish

**[07:44:58.260] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006590)  
to this representation kung ano yung

**[07:45:00.000] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006596)  
monitoring mechanisms ninyo at kung ano-ano

**[07:45:02.380] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006597)  
mga LGU ang gumagamit nito

**[07:45:03.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006598)  
at kung ano-ano mga departamento

**[07:45:05.880] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006599)  
ang gumagamit ng CBMS data sets.

**[07:45:08.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006600)  
Yes, Madam Speaker. The agency

**[07:45:10.140] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006601)  
will comply.

**[07:45:11.400] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006601-split-2)  
Going back to the letter

**[07:45:12.320] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006602)  
that was furnished to the Committee on Poverty

**[07:45:14.320] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006603)  
on Poverty Alleviation, Madam Speaker,

**[07:45:17.260] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006604)  
sinabi rin po ng

**[07:45:18.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006605)  
PSA na nagkaroon muna ng

**[07:45:20.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006606)  
presentation sa LGUs

**[07:45:21.920] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006607)  
prior to data sharing

**[07:45:23.700] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006608)  
to ensure accuracy. Is this correct,

**[07:45:26.260] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006609)  
Madam Speaker?

**[07:45:28.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006610)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:45:29.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006611)  
Maaari ko po ba malaman kung ano po

**[07:45:31.760] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006612)  
ang ginagawa sa mga during these

**[07:45:33.800] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006613)  
presentations?

**[07:45:45.620] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006614)  
Pagbibigay po ako ng halimbawa, Madam Speaker.

**[07:45:48.600] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006615)  
Nagpapakita ba tayo ng aggregated

**[07:45:50.100] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006616)  
data? Kunwari,

**[07:45:52.280] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006617)  
mayor, ganitong percentage ng

**[07:45:53.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006618)  
households ninyo ang walang

**[07:45:55.600] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006619)  
access sa tubig.

**[07:45:57.640] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006620)  
Ganon po ba yung parang

**[07:45:58.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006621)  
proseso, yun pa yung mga data. Could the

**[07:46:00.680] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006622)  
distinguished sponsor elaborate on

**[07:46:02.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006623)  
this process para lang meron tayong idea

**[07:46:04.980] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006624)  
kung gaano kahalaga ang CBMS?

**[07:46:07.720] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006625)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:46:09.660] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006626)  
So, in the

**[07:46:11.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006627)  
presentation of CBMS data

**[07:46:12.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006628)  
to our LGUs or LSEs,

**[07:46:15.680] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006629)  
the PSA,

**[07:46:17.360] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006630)  
the representatives,

**[07:46:18.720] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006631)  
furnish or present

**[07:46:20.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006632)  
tables. So, these are the products

**[07:46:22.940] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006633)  
of the surveys.

**[07:46:25.700] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006634)  
Like a summary

**[07:46:27.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006635)  
of, like,

**[07:46:28.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006636)  
targeted municipal-level data.

**[07:46:31.180] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006637)  
And then, the LCEs

**[07:46:33.420] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006638)  
and all of the local

**[07:46:34.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006639)  
officials and employees present,

**[07:46:36.940] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006640)  
then, give feedback to the PSA

**[07:46:39.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006641)  
with regards to

**[07:46:40.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006642)  
the data, whether or not

**[07:46:43.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006643)  
this is accurate

**[07:46:45.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006644)  
or not. And then,

**[07:46:47.160] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006645)  
it's a continuous feedback mechanism

**[07:46:49.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006646)  
on the part of the PSA and the LGUs.

**[07:46:51.620] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006647)  
Madam Speaker, babalikan ko lang po ulit, no?

**[07:46:53.460] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006648)  
Kasi hanggang ngayon, hindi ko pa rin po maunawaan

**[07:46:55.480] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006649)  
kung bakit last year

**[07:46:57.480] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006650)  
sinabi ng PSA,

**[07:46:58.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006651)  
na na-turnover na nila

**[07:47:00.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006652)  
lahat ng CBMS data.

**[07:47:03.540] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006653)  
Tapos ngayon, sasabihin nila na

**[07:47:04.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006654)  
parang ngayon lang siya nangyari.

**[07:47:07.120] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006655)  
But, I feel like, Madam Speaker,

**[07:47:09.580] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006656)  
na parang nagkaroon ng misrepresentation

**[07:47:11.440] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006657)  
sa akin. Nung nakaraang taon,

**[07:47:13.620] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006658)  
nung sinabi ng PSA, na completed

**[07:47:15.440] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006659)  
na nila. When, as a matter of fact,

**[07:47:17.640] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006660)  
they sent a letter to the Committee on Poverty

**[07:47:19.400] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006661)  
Elevation this year,

**[07:47:21.200] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006662)  
saying that not all LGUs have received

**[07:47:23.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006663)  
their CBMS datasets. So, can we

**[07:47:25.320] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006664)  
get some clarification on the

**[07:47:27.220] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006665)  
representation that this,

**[07:47:28.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006666)  
the PSA mentioned during the

**[07:47:30.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006667)  
budget deliberations last year?

**[07:47:45.440] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006668)  
Perhaps we could pause my time

**[07:47:46.820] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006669)  
as we wait for a response.

**[07:48:12.600] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006671)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[07:48:14.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006672)  
Just to clarify,

**[07:48:15.580] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006673)  
just to do a step-by-step. So,

**[07:48:17.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006674)  
after the presentation of the tables

**[07:48:19.420] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006675)  
to the LGUs,

**[07:48:21.220] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006676)  
the LECEs,

**[07:48:23.900] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006677)  
at the,

**[07:48:24.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006678)  
on the spot, there has to be

**[07:48:27.540] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006679)  
a data privacy officer.

**[07:48:30.280] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006680)  
If not, then

**[07:48:31.840] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006681)  
the CBMS

**[07:48:34.200] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006682)  
data, which already

**[07:48:35.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006683)  
is completed, cannot be

**[07:48:37.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006684)  
fully turned over.

**[07:48:39.460] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006685)  
Madam Speaker, why didn't the PSA mention this

**[07:48:41.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006686)  
to us last year?

**[07:48:43.520] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006687)  
Kaya po ito napaka-importante sa akin, Madam Speaker,

**[07:48:46.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006688)  
dahil ngayong 20th Congress,

**[07:48:48.440] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006689)  
nagpasa po ako ng resolution,

**[07:48:50.520] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006690)  
nagbigay ako ng privilege speech,

**[07:48:52.480] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006691)  
dahil natuklasan ko na hindi pa pala

**[07:48:53.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006692)  
tapos yung CBMS. Kahit na sinabi nila

**[07:48:56.220] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006693)  
last year, natapos na siya.

**[07:48:57.540] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006694)  
So, yung sa akin lang po, Madam Speaker,

**[07:48:59.720] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006695)  
sana, sinabi ng PSA ito

**[07:49:01.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006696)  
sa atin, nung nakaraang taon,

**[07:49:04.240] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006697)  
para maiwasan natin yung mga ganitong problema.

**[07:49:05.980] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006698)  
So, yung tanong ko po, Madam Speaker,

**[07:49:07.780] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006699)  
ba't ngayon lang nila sa atin sinasabi

**[07:49:09.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006700)  
na may mga data privacy compliances

**[07:49:11.660] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006701)  
kaya hindi pa na ito turn over?

**[07:49:13.380] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006702)  
When? They could have said that during the budget

**[07:49:15.600] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006703)  
deliberations last year.

**[07:49:27.540] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006704)  
Yes, we understand, Madam Speaker,

**[07:49:37.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006705)  
the concern of our distinguished colleague.

**[07:49:40.840] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006706)  
Really, from the 2025 deliberations,

**[07:49:45.980] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006707)  
it was really because of this requirement

**[07:49:48.980] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006708)  
for the data privacy officers,

**[07:49:50.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006709)  
which we thought would not be a hindrance

**[07:49:53.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006710)  
to the full turnover of CBMS data.

**[07:49:58.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006711)  
And that's the reason why

**[07:50:00.040] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006712)  
at the time,

**[07:50:02.880] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006713)  
the requirement wasn't

**[07:50:04.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006714)  
fully implemented.

**[07:50:08.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006715)  
And then,

**[07:50:10.240] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006716)  
over the course of

**[07:50:11.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006717)  
the turnover to the LGUs,

**[07:50:13.620] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006718)  
it became a requirement.

**[07:50:14.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006719)  
Madam Speaker, ano po ang measured error rate

**[07:50:16.980] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006720)  
ng CBMS?

**[07:50:20.000] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006721)  
Ilan ang duplicate?

**[07:50:21.500] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006722)  
Ilan ang missing household?

**[07:50:23.200] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006723)  
Ilan ang maliang household composition?

**[07:50:25.320] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006724)  
Ilan maliang employment status?

**[07:50:26.640] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006725)  
ilan ang maling socioeconomic information, may mga tao ba sa database na sinasabing patay na pero buhay pa pala.

**[07:50:34.480] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006726)  
Gusto ko pong malaman dahil napaka-importante po nito habang pinaplano natin ang budget ng bawat departamento na umaasa sa datos.

**[07:50:42.740] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006727)  
At napaka-importante po, Madam Speaker ng CBMS, dahil isa po itong gabay para sigurado tayo na ang mga pulisiyan natin sinasalamin niya ang pangangailangan ng pamayanan.

**[07:50:56.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006728)  
Madam Speaker, so the CBMS is a census.

**[07:51:06.200] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006729)  
So after which the census is conducted, the PSA then checks with the death registry.

**[07:51:14.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006730)  
So that is the way in which we check at least for the deaths recorded.

**[07:51:23.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006731)  
Yes, but in terms of the margin of error,

**[07:51:26.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006732)  
it's really a continuous back-to-forth, I think it's a case-by-case basis regarding which constituency or which area, which jurisdiction would be subject to this.

**[07:51:40.440] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006733)  
So up to now, Madam Speaker, wala pa po tayong precise number kung ano yung margin of error dun sa mga datos na nakokolekta natin mula sa CBMS.

**[07:51:48.080] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006734)  
Wala po tayong error rate, wala po tayong metric or data sa mga kinokolekta natin kung mayroong erroneous na entry.

**[07:51:56.640] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006735)  
Wala po tayong idea.

**[07:52:00.460] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006736)  
Yes, just to clarify, Madam Speaker, the CBMS is a census, it's not a survey.

**[07:52:06.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006737)  
So it's literally a collection of data.

**[07:52:11.060] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006738)  
Madam Speaker, pwede ko po ba malaman, ano yung pinakamatandang household record na ginagamit pa rin ngayon bilang current CBMS information?

**[07:52:21.860] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006739)  
For example, gusto ko po malaman, Madam Speaker, ano yung average or median age?

**[07:52:26.640] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006740)  
Considering na hindi naman siya ginawa all at once. May mga census kayong ginawa sa ibang time frame.

**[07:52:34.200] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006741)  
So pwede po ba namin malaman, Madam Speaker, ano yung average or median age ng records?

**[07:52:41.580] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006742)  
May mga records po ba tayo galing mula 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026? Pwede po ba namin malaman yun, Madam Speaker?

**[07:52:56.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006743)  
2024 CBMS, Madam Speaker, is the oldest record that we have for using for PSA data.

**[07:53:19.920] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006744)  
Ano naman po, Madam Speaker, yung pinakabago? 2024 lang ba lahat?

**[07:53:26.640] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006745)  
Kasi naiintindihan ko po, Madam Speaker, the first cycle, POPs and CBMS 2024, I want to find out if there are certain household information collected beyond 2024.

**[07:53:44.460] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006746)  
Let's say last year, may mga sinensos ba kayo ng 2025? May mga sinensos ba kayo ng 2026?

**[07:53:50.460] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006747)  
Or 2024 lang ba lahat?

**[07:53:57.460] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006748)  
For social protection, Madam Speaker, the oldest would be 2024. But for the FIES, which is the Family Income and Expenditure Survey, it would be just for 2026.

**[07:54:14.440] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006749)  
So meron pong two-year interval yung FIES and for social protection.

**[07:54:20.460] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006750)  
For social services, is that correct?

**[07:54:22.060] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006751)  
Yes, two-year interval, Madam Speaker.

**[07:54:24.600] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006752)  
Okay. So, Madam Speaker, yung tanong ko po sa PSA, and of course, for the guidance of all our government agencies who are relying on the CBMS data,

**[07:54:34.820] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006753)  
malaking pagkakaiba po kasi yung mga nakokollect natin ng 2026 and 2024.

**[07:54:41.520] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006754)  
Dahil sa isang household, in the span of two years, a lot can change. May mga nawawala ng trabaho, may mga lumilipat.

**[07:54:50.460] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006755)  
So, yung tanong po dito, masyado na bang luma ang household information, let's say, ng 2024 para gamitin sa beneficiary targeting?

**[07:55:01.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006756)  
And I also want to know, Madam Speaker, maglalaan tayo muli ng 5 billion para sa CBMS census, kailan po yung target date natin para isagawa ang second cycle?

**[07:55:20.460] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006757)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[07:55:42.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006758)  
Madam Speaker, the agency agrees that given the long interval,

**[07:55:50.460] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006759)  
we can't fully capture the shocks that we experience over the course of those two years.

**[07:55:58.960] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006760)  
So, that's precisely the reason why for 2027, we're asking for 5 billion, because of the shocks that happened in 2025 and also, of course, 2026.

**[07:56:09.940] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006761)  
So, really, the 5 billion for the CBMS for 2027, besides the regular census processes,

**[07:56:20.460] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006762)  
so, the effects of those shocks in 2025 and 2026, so that social protection programs and all social policies would be informed and tailored accordingly.

**[07:56:32.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006763)  
Madam Speaker, kailan po yung target natin para sa second cycle ng CBMS?

**[07:56:38.380] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006764)  
September 2027, Madam Speaker.

**[07:56:40.960] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006765)  
And gusto ko po malaman, ano yung pinaka-recent na CBMS data turnover na ibinigay ng PSA sa LGU this year?

**[07:56:49.220] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006766)  
Ano yung pinaka-recent yung turnover?

**[07:57:30.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006769)  
First quarter of 2026, Madam Speaker.

**[07:57:33.550] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006770)  
So you mean to tell me, Madam Speaker, kunwari isa po akong LGU, natanggap ko lamang ang aking CBMS data nung taong 2026, tapos 2027 maglalaan tayo ng 5 bilyon ulit, tapos kokolektahan na naman ako ng data sa 2027?

**[07:57:52.800] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006771)  
Hindi po ba, Madam Speaker, parang nakapanghinayang na isang taon lang halos napakinabangan ng data na na-collect?

**[07:57:59.640] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006772)  
And, since malapit na po matapos oras ko, Madam Speaker, may I just illustrate kung gaano po kaimportante ang CBMS?

**[07:58:06.560] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006773)  
And I hope our kind sponsor helps me verify this information.

**[07:58:11.200] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006774)  
Magbibigay po ako ng example.

**[07:58:13.440] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006775)  
Status of CBMS source, social pension validation.

**[07:58:17.400] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006776)  
Para po ito sa social pension ng ating mga seniors.

**[07:58:20.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006777)  
Total potential balance.

**[07:58:21.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006778)  
Beneficiaries identified from CBMS.

**[07:58:23.200] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006779)  
Batches 1 to 3.

**[07:58:24.460] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006780)  
Figure, 568,651.

**[07:58:28.600] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006781)  
Remaining for field validation, 251,318.

**[07:58:35.540] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006782)  
Madam Chair, sa aming pagsusuri, nagpapakita naman na gumagana mas kipapano ang ating CBMS.

**[07:58:41.900] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006783)  
Dahil may mga na-identify tayong mga beneficiaries.

**[07:58:46.240] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006784)  
Kaso lang po, binavalidate pa rin yung remaining 251,318.

**[07:58:51.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006785)  
Beneficiaries, hindi lamang po sa social pension for senior citizens.

**[07:58:56.460] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006786)  
Mas ka sa 4Ps, for example, may 107,000 households pa subject to validation.

**[07:59:03.420] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006787)  
Like I said, Madam Speaker, napakahalaga po ng CBMS dahil ito po ang listahan na pinapagbasihan natin for our social protection programs for our most vulnerable sectors.

**[07:59:15.600] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006788)  
Hindi po biro ang perang inilalaan natin para dito at napakahalaga po ito para mag-guide ang ating...

**[07:59:21.140] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006789)  
National Government Agency.

**[07:59:22.620] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006790)  
So, can we get a response from our distinguished sponsor?

**[07:59:26.460] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006791)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[07:59:28.840] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006792)  
With regards to the social pension particularly, there are multiple layers of validation.

**[07:59:35.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006793)  
For one, it's the PSA checks for the death registry.

**[07:59:40.580] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006794)  
At the same time, given that there's an age requirement for being able to avail of the social pension, so 60,

**[07:59:47.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006795)  
they also counter-check that with other surveys and other...

**[07:59:51.140] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006796)  
Registries.

**[07:59:52.400] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006797)  
So, that would be at least one of the reasons why validation takes so long.

**[07:59:58.940] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006798)  
At least on the part of the...

**[08:00:00.000] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006799)  
Before I close, Madam Speaker, may I request from our distinguished sponsor as well as the PSA,

**[08:00:06.480] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006800)  
baka pwede niyo po ako bigyan ng timeline lang kung meron kayong target dates for completion sa mga bina-validate niyo pa pong population

**[08:00:14.340] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006801)  
dahil napakahalaga po yung timely delivery ng data, lalong-lalo na po na maglalaan tayo ulit ng mahigit 5 bilyong piso

**[08:00:22.940] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006802)  
at magsasagawa na naman tayo ng census sa parating na taon.

**[08:00:29.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006803)  
So, pwede ko po ba makuha yung commitment ng ating sponsor pati ng PSA na bibigyan tayo ng timeline kung kailan nila tatapusin ang validation,

**[08:00:38.120] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006804)  
hindi lamang sa social pension, hindi lamang sa 4Ps, kundi sa lahat ng programa na may pending pa tayong validation.

**[08:00:45.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006805)  
Yes, Madam Speaker. The agency will assess and will furnish a copy to our good colleagues.

**[08:00:53.100] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006806)  
Madam Speaker, gusto ko pong ulitin and I hope hindi po ako mamisinterpret ng definition.

**[08:00:59.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006807)  
I want the CBMS to succeed. Napakaganda po kasi ng vision ng batas dahil napakahalaga na alam po natin kung saan may deprivation of services.

**[08:01:11.540] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006808)  
We must know where government resources must go to populations that need it the most.

**[08:01:17.640] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006809)  
And of course, magandang bigyan natin ang pagkakataon yung mga LGU na magplano based on actual household conditions.

**[08:01:25.880] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006810)  
Yun lamang po, Madam Speaker.

**[08:01:29.040] Rep. JC M. Abalos** (asr-006811)  
Salamat po ako sa ating distinguished sponsor, pati po sa DepDev at sa PSA. Maraming salamat po. Magandang gabi po.

**[08:01:34.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006812)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[08:01:36.660] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006813)  
Thank you, Honorable Abalos, Majority Leader.

**[08:01:48.040] Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla** (asr-006814)  
Madam Speaker, I move that we recognize the Honorable Roberto Nazal of BH Party-list to interpellate on the proposed budget

**[08:01:57.560] Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla** (asr-006815)  
of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development,

**[08:01:59.040] Rep. Crispin Diego D. Remulla** (asr-006816)  
including its attached agencies and corporations.

**[08:02:03.840] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-006817)  
The Honorable Roberto Nazal is recognized.

**[08:02:08.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006818)  
Thank you, Madam Chair, distinguished sponsor. Good evening to the DepDev.

**[08:02:15.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006819)  
Madam Chair, through you, do you agree, distinguished sponsor, that when government spending is significantly delayed

**[08:02:25.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006820)  
or falls short of program,

**[08:02:29.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006821)  
that can slow economic growth?

**[08:02:32.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006822)  
Yes, Madam Speaker. We agree.

**[08:02:36.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006823)  
Every year, we have unobligated, unused, and reverted appropriations.

**[08:02:43.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006824)  
Does DepDev compute the economic cost?

**[08:02:48.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006825)  
Not just the unused money, but the projects, jobs, services, and economic activity that were delayed?

**[08:02:55.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006826)  
Thank you.

**[08:02:59.040] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006827)  
Yes, Madam Speaker, there is a competition with regards to primary infrastructure,

**[08:03:14.720] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006828)  
the effects of delays in primary infrastructure projects, and also social programs.

**[08:03:21.960] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006829)  
Madam Speaker.

**[08:03:22.300] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006830)  
Thank you for that, distinguished sponsor.

**[08:03:26.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006831)  
Madam Chair, and do you show the...

**[08:03:27.300] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006832)  
Madam Chair, and do you show the...

**[08:03:28.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006833)  
Madam Chair, and do you show this to the agencies concerned?

**[08:03:32.660] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006834)  
Does DepDev, minapakita po ba ito sa mga ahensya?

**[08:03:37.340] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006835)  
And do we tell them what their failure to implement is costing the economy?

**[08:03:47.600] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006836)  
Okay.

**[08:03:49.160] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006837)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[08:03:51.240] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006838)  
These are discussed with the agencies.

**[08:03:53.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006839)  
This is also reported to the President through the Economic Development Council.

**[08:03:56.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006840)  
Okay.

**[08:03:58.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006841)  
Thank you for that, distinguished sponsor.

**[08:04:02.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006842)  
Natsi-check po ba natin, distinguished sponsor, Madam Chair, kung ano yung bottlenecks?

**[08:04:09.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006843)  
And once identified, do we recommend what the executive and the legislature needs to do to help departments address them?

**[08:04:25.460] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006844)  
Yes, these are checked, Madam Speaker.

**[08:04:28.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006845)  
So, kapag may cabinet meeting po, do we flag the repeat underspenders and explain what their failure to implement is costing the economy?

**[08:04:41.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006846)  
Yes, Madam Speaker, the level of the cabinet.

**[08:04:43.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006847)  
Do we have the data kung sino po ang laging underspending?

**[08:04:51.440] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006848)  
And can you give a sample kung ano po ang nagiging cost nito sa economy?

**[08:04:56.660] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006849)  
Okay.

**[08:04:58.500] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006850)  
Madam Speaker, just for those that fall within the purview of the DEPDEV, which is the primary infrastructure programs and the social programs,

**[08:05:19.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006851)  
but in terms of agency per agency, that would be under the DBM?

**[08:05:24.220] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006852)  
For example, in 2020...

**[08:05:28.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006853)  
In 2025, Madam Chair, ang dami po natin naging underspending at marami po tayo naging FISARO under sa DPWH, for example.

**[08:05:42.340] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006854)  
Ano po ang naging economic effect nung underspending natin sa DPWH noong 2025?

**[08:05:56.440] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006855)  
Okay.

**[08:05:58.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006856)  
And can you cite the economic indicators na naapektuhan?

**[08:06:05.960] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006857)  
As per the DEPDEV, if these projects would have been implemented in a timely manner, we would have grown an additional 1%.

**[08:06:16.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006858)  
1% in terms of GDP?

**[08:06:20.180] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006859)  
In terms of GDP.

**[08:06:21.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006860)  
Thank you for that, Madam Sponsor.

**[08:06:23.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006861)  
Thank you, Madam Sponsor.

**[08:06:25.220] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006862)  
How about implementation?

**[08:06:28.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006863)  
Every year, we see unfilled positions and heavy reliance on JOs and job orders and contract of service workers.

**[08:06:42.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006864)  
The DEPDEV study, whether these recurring staffing issues are constraining government implementation and economic growth.

**[08:06:51.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006865)  
And if this happens year after year,

**[08:06:56.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006866)  
shouldn't there be a greater urgency?

**[08:06:58.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006867)  
Should we find a government-wide solution?

**[08:07:09.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006868)  
In terms of the unfilled positions and the effect of these unfilled positions with regards to performances of agencies,

**[08:07:20.240] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006869)  
that would not be under the purview of the DEPDEV.

**[08:07:23.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006870)  
However, with regards to the job orders,

**[08:07:26.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006871)  
and those workers for contracts of service,

**[08:07:32.540] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006872)  
the DEPDEV has issued an EO recommending for social protections for them.

**[08:07:37.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006873)  
Again, sorry.

**[08:07:39.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006874)  
Can you repeat that, Madam Sponsor?

**[08:07:40.620] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006875)  
The DEPDEV, so, the DEPDEV cannot,

**[08:07:45.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006876)  
DEPDEV doesn't assess the effects of unfilled positions and JOs and the COSs

**[08:07:51.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006877)  
with regards to the implementing capacity of agencies,

**[08:07:55.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006878)  
agencies.

**[08:07:56.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006879)  
But, it has issued an executive order recommending for social protections for workers who are job orders,

**[08:08:04.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006880)  
contracts of service.

**[08:08:05.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006881)  
Hindi po ba dapat tingnan din po natin ito?

**[08:08:09.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006882)  
And it's about time we look at it because, first and foremost,

**[08:08:13.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006883)  
yung JOs and COS po, ang dami po nating posisyon na laging hindi nafi-fill up na

**[08:08:21.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006884)  
mga permanent positions.

**[08:08:23.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006885)  
And yung JOs and COS,

**[08:08:26.340] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006886)  
they remain people who have no security of tenure.

**[08:08:31.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006887)  
And siyempre, that will affect,

**[08:08:33.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006888)  
if I were in their position,

**[08:08:36.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006889)  
and wala po akong titignan na magiging future ko,

**[08:08:41.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006890)  
unstable po yung aking kinabukasan,

**[08:08:44.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006891)  
hindi po ba makakaapekto yun sa productivity?

**[08:08:47.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006892)  
Yes, Madam Speaker, it will.

**[08:08:49.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006893)  
Given that, of course, livelihood and security.

**[08:08:52.660] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006894)  
And this is a problem year in and year out.

**[08:08:57.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006895)  
Lagi po tayong ganito karami ang posisyon na dapat fill upan.

**[08:09:01.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006896)  
Pero

**[08:09:02.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006897)  
napakadami namang JOs and COS,

**[08:09:05.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006898)  
tapos hindi po napupuno yung mga posisyon.

**[08:09:09.520] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006899)  
And I'm sure,

**[08:09:11.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006900)  
the DepDev will agree that

**[08:09:13.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006901)  
this will affect

**[08:09:15.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006902)  
the productivity,

**[08:09:18.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006903)  
not only of the people

**[08:09:20.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006904)  
in those positions,

**[08:09:22.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006905)  
but also of the departments,

**[08:09:23.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006906)  
Kasi hindi po nila napupuno yung

**[08:09:24.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006907)  
kailangan

**[08:09:26.320] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006913)  
nilang punuin na trabaho.

**[08:09:28.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006914)  
Na posisyon.

**[08:09:30.220] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006915)  
Do you agree, Madam Sponsor?

**[08:09:32.900] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006916)  
Yes. Madam Chair.

**[08:09:33.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006917)  
Yes, Madam Speaker, we agree.

**[08:09:35.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006918)  
The agency agrees.

**[08:09:37.680] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006919)  
However, as of now,

**[08:09:40.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006920)  
this will not fall under the mandate of the DEF-DEF.

**[08:09:42.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006921)  
But what will the DEF-DEF do

**[08:09:45.140] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006922)  
moving forward?

**[08:09:56.320] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006923)  
Yes, Madam Speaker, Distinguished Colleague.

**[08:10:08.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006924)  
The DEF-DEF is part of

**[08:10:09.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006925)  
the Committee on Drafting the IRRs

**[08:10:14.940] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006926)  
and the Guidelines for the Government Optimization Act.

**[08:10:18.560] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006927)  
This might be one of the considerations

**[08:10:21.160] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006928)  
that we will consider

**[08:10:23.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006929)  
for the productivity

**[08:10:26.300] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006930)  
of our workers.

**[08:10:27.520] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006931)  
And baka po, it's about time

**[08:10:28.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006932)  
that we measure this also

**[08:10:30.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006933)  
so that we can definitely tell

**[08:10:33.380] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006934)  
the Executive

**[08:10:34.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006935)  
or inform the Executive

**[08:10:36.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006936)  
kung ano po ang epekto

**[08:10:38.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006937)  
nung tuloy-tuloy po

**[08:10:39.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006938)  
na hindi po nila pinupuno yung posisyon.

**[08:10:42.740] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006939)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[08:10:44.280] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006940)  
Definitely, this will be one of the vehicles

**[08:10:46.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006941)  
in which we can raise this issue.

**[08:10:51.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006942)  
I'd like to continue to my next question.

**[08:10:54.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006943)  
On right-of-way,

**[08:10:56.300] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006944)  
Madam Chair, Madam Sponsor,

**[08:11:01.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006945)  
isang kongkreto pong halimbawa

**[08:11:04.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006946)  
ay yung right-of-way, no?

**[08:11:06.520] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006947)  
We were informed in a meeting with DPWH

**[08:11:09.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006948)  
that for BIT,

**[08:11:13.400] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006949)  
SIPAG, and convergence projects,

**[08:11:16.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006950)  
the LGU is expected to finance

**[08:11:18.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006951)  
the ROW, yung right-of-way.

**[08:11:22.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006952)  
So ibig sabihin, for a project funded

**[08:11:24.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006953)  
in the national

**[08:11:25.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006954)  
G20,

**[08:11:25.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006955)  
GAA, and implemented by DPWH,

**[08:11:31.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006956)  
anong posisyon ng DEPDEV,

**[08:11:33.340] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006957)  
sino po ba talaga

**[08:11:34.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006958)  
ang dapat mag-finance ng ROW?

**[08:11:37.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006959)  
National Government or LGU?

**[08:11:40.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006960)  
Kasi ang sabi po sa amin,

**[08:11:43.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006961)  
pag

**[08:11:43.440] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006962)  
under BIP, SIPAG,

**[08:11:46.440] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006963)  
or convergence,

**[08:11:48.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006964)  
ang dapat daw yung LGU.

**[08:11:53.300] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006965)  
Madam Speaker,

**[08:11:54.360] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006966)  
the position of the DEPDEV at least,

**[08:11:55.720] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006967)  
if it's a national project,

**[08:11:58.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006968)  
then it should be

**[08:11:59.720] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-006969)  
funded nationally.

**[08:12:01.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006970)  
Then, can we please come up with a

**[08:12:04.400] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006971)  
can we come up with a

**[08:12:06.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006972)  
siguro, I don't know kung anong pwede natin

**[08:12:08.400] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006973)  
ilabas,

**[08:12:09.440] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006974)  
a recommendation

**[08:12:11.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006975)  
na

**[08:12:13.100] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006976)  
baka dapat po,

**[08:12:16.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006977)  
kasi ang nangyayari sa atin,

**[08:12:19.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006978)  
any project

**[08:12:20.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006979)  
under BIP, SIPAG, and convergence,

**[08:12:22.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006980)  
hindi po siya natutuloy.

**[08:12:25.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006981)  
Dahil, ang laging nagiging issue

**[08:12:28.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006982)  
ay sasabihin nila, LGU ang dapat magbayad.

**[08:12:30.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006983)  
So, nagiging problema po yung

**[08:12:32.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006984)  
right of way.

**[08:12:36.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006985)  
For me,

**[08:12:40.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006986)  
if it is sa national,

**[08:12:41.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006987)  
tama po yung sinabi nyo, and I agree,

**[08:12:44.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006988)  
para sa amin po, pagka national kasi,

**[08:12:46.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006989)  
ang ga-a, dapat ang

**[08:12:48.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006990)  
right of way, dapat sa

**[08:12:50.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006991)  
DPWH, dapat sa National Government.

**[08:12:55.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006992)  
Meron na po bang final IRR

**[08:12:57.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-006993)  
ang ARO Act?

**[08:13:25.720] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007010)  
As per the agency, Madam Speaker,

**[08:13:35.660] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007011)  
this would, the lead agency

**[08:13:37.260] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007012)  
would be the DPWH.

**[08:13:38.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007013)  
So, we're confirming, we'll get back to you,

**[08:13:41.840] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007014)  
distinguished colleague.

**[08:13:43.340] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007015)  
Thank you.

**[08:13:45.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007016)  
Kung wala po pa po kasi,

**[08:13:47.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007017)  
can DEV-DEV

**[08:13:49.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007018)  
commit

**[08:13:50.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007019)  
that this issue should be expressly

**[08:13:53.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007020)  
clarified in the IRR,

**[08:13:55.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007021)  
particularly,

**[08:13:55.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007022)  
for BIP, SIPAG, and Convergence projects.

**[08:13:59.160] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007023)  
Yes, we agree, Madam Speaker.

**[08:14:04.520] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007025)  
And kasi nga po, if LGUs are not supposed to finance the ROW, then bakit po yun ang understanding ng DPWH?

**[08:14:14.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007035)  
Sana po malinaw na natin para po maiwasan na itong issue na ito.

**[08:14:19.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007041)  
Has DEPDev, Madam Sponsor, quantified how many projects and how much in appropriations are currently delayed because of unresolved ROW?

**[08:14:50.540] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007093)  
Madam Speaker, the DepDEP will only have data on the IFPs, the Infrastructure Flagship Projects.

**[08:14:57.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007094)  
But with the other infrastructure...

**[08:15:00.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007095)  
projects that would be under the

**[08:15:01.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007096)  
implementing agency? Madam Speaker.

**[08:15:04.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007097)  
Then how can we say

**[08:15:06.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007098)  
Madam Speaker,

**[08:15:08.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007099)  
Madam Sponsor,

**[08:15:10.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007100)  
na we are monitoring kung ano po yung

**[08:15:12.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007101)  
mga delayed projects na hindi na i-implement

**[08:15:14.220] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007102)  
if we are not monitoring this?

**[08:15:16.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007103)  
Because this is part

**[08:15:17.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007104)  
and parcel of what

**[08:15:19.900] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007105)  
the DPWH needs to be

**[08:15:22.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007106)  
able to implement the project and make

**[08:15:24.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007107)  
the project

**[08:15:24.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007108)  
generate

**[08:15:26.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007109)  
benefit for

**[08:15:29.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007110)  
each project na matapos nila.

**[08:15:33.220] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007111)  
Kung ito po ay

**[08:15:34.100] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007112)  
cause of delay,

**[08:15:36.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007113)  
magkano po ang nagiging

**[08:15:38.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007114)  
effect nito

**[08:15:39.660] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007115)  
sa ating ekonomiya?

**[08:15:59.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007116)  
Madam Speaker,

**[08:16:06.180] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007117)  
really, well given

**[08:16:07.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007118)  
that DEPDEV only has purview for

**[08:16:09.740] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007119)  
the flagship programs,

**[08:16:12.220] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007120)  
it will only have data on the

**[08:16:13.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007121)  
flagship program. But

**[08:16:15.420] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007122)  
the rest of the projects

**[08:16:17.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007123)  
under the GAA, unfortunately

**[08:16:19.500] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007124)  
the DEPDEV doesn't have purview over that.

**[08:16:22.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007125)  
But shouldn't we be

**[08:16:23.660] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007126)  
monitoring this?

**[08:16:25.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007127)  
Madam Sponsor?

**[08:16:26.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007128)  
Madam Sponsor?

**[08:16:29.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007129)  
Kasi siyempre this will contribute

**[08:16:30.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007130)  
to the delay of

**[08:16:32.220] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007131)  
yung payback nung ating mga

**[08:16:35.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007132)  
gastos eh. Aren't we

**[08:16:37.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007133)  
borrowing also for this to accomplish

**[08:16:39.300] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007134)  
itong mga project na to?

**[08:16:41.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007135)  
And kung hindi po siya nagagawa,

**[08:16:44.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007136)  
hindi ba meron

**[08:16:44.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007137)  
katumbas na

**[08:16:47.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007138)  
economic cost dito?

**[08:16:50.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007139)  
Yes, Madam

**[08:16:51.360] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007140)  
Speaker.

**[08:16:52.740] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007141)  
Well as of now, DEPDEV doesn't have

**[08:16:55.160] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007142)  
the mandate to monitor the

**[08:16:57.260] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007143)  
project under the GAA.

**[08:16:59.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007144)  
However, I was

**[08:17:01.160] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007145)  
informed that the DBM does have

**[08:17:02.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007146)  
Project DIME, which

**[08:17:04.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007147)  
somewhat pursues what

**[08:17:06.620] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007148)  
our distinguished colleague wants to do.

**[08:17:08.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007149)  
So the data for this

**[08:17:10.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007150)  
should be with the DBM?

**[08:17:12.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007151)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[08:17:14.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007152)  
Pero shouldn't the DEPDEV be familiar

**[08:17:16.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007153)  
with, shouldn't they share that

**[08:17:18.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007154)  
data with you po para alam nyo?

**[08:17:29.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007155)  
Madam Speaker,

**[08:17:38.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007156)  
these challenges

**[08:17:40.940] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007157)  
are

**[08:17:42.360] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007158)  
discussed by the DEPDEV

**[08:17:44.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007159)  
and the DBM during the

**[08:17:46.880] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007160)  
Economic Development Council meeting.

**[08:17:49.660] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007161)  
So that is one

**[08:17:50.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007162)  
way in which they

**[08:17:52.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007163)  
exchange information.

**[08:17:54.900] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007164)  
However, with regards to the

**[08:17:56.280] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007165)  
project-by-project basis, it would be

**[08:17:58.960] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007166)  
through the Implementing Agency

**[08:18:00.880] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007167)  
and DBM

**[08:18:02.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007168)  
as a project.

**[08:18:04.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007169)  
I'm just asking naman po if it's quantified

**[08:18:06.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007170)  
e, saka kung ano po yung effect

**[08:18:08.400] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007171)  
in terms of

**[08:18:09.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007172)  
how

**[08:18:12.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007173)  
this is affecting the economic indicators

**[08:18:15.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007174)  
kung hindi po siya

**[08:18:17.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007175)  
nagagawa. So kung alam po

**[08:18:19.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007176)  
natin yun, yun lang naman po ang tinatanong.

**[08:18:28.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007177)  
Can you patigil po nung aking?

**[08:18:51.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007178)  
We will,

**[08:18:53.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007179)  
the agency will assess,

**[08:18:55.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007180)  
the agency will discuss

**[08:18:56.540] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007181)  
like the best

**[08:18:58.940] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007183)  
So those are the best ways in which we can

**[08:19:00.200] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007184)  
quantify these effects, Madam Speaker.

**[08:19:04.100] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007185)  
Thank you for that, Madam Sponsor.

**[08:19:07.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007186)  
On earmarked

**[08:19:09.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007187)  
funds,

**[08:19:10.900] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007188)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam

**[08:19:12.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007189)  
Speaker, Madam Chair,

**[08:19:16.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007190)  
from a planning

**[08:19:16.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007191)  
perspective, does DEPDEV study

**[08:19:18.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007192)  
how government handles

**[08:19:20.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007193)  
earmarked funds?

**[08:19:25.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007194)  
When the law kasi

**[08:19:26.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007195)  
earmarks revenues for a particular

**[08:19:28.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007196)  
development purpose,

**[08:19:32.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007197)  
do you compare

**[08:19:32.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007198)  
the economic and social return of

**[08:19:34.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007199)  
deploying these funds

**[08:19:37.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007200)  
against the fiscal benefit

**[08:19:38.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007201)  
of national government, retaining

**[08:19:41.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007202)  
the cash, reducing

**[08:19:42.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007203)  
borrowing, or using the fiscal

**[08:19:44.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007204)  
space elsewhere?

**[08:19:49.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007205)  
Pinitignan po ba natin ito?

**[08:19:54.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007206)  
Madam Speaker,

**[08:19:55.160] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007207)  
that would not be

**[08:19:57.040] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007208)  
under the DEPDEV's

**[08:19:58.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007209)  
mandate, though the

**[08:20:00.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007210)  
DEPDEV, given that it's in charge

**[08:20:02.960] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007211)  
of the macroeconomic

**[08:20:05.240] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007212)  
outlook,

**[08:20:06.600] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007213)  
would look at these challenges

**[08:20:09.040] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007214)  
and also

**[08:20:10.900] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007215)  
these issues. But in terms

**[08:20:13.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007216)  
of actually recommending

**[08:20:14.220] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007217)  
which particular

**[08:20:15.980] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007218)  
funding we should

**[08:20:18.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007219)  
propose for which particular sector, given that

**[08:20:20.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007220)  
there are earmarked revenues

**[08:20:23.160] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007221)  
for that particular sector,

**[08:20:24.960] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007222)  
DEPDEV doesn't have the mandate to

**[08:20:26.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007223)  
make such recommendations.

**[08:20:28.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007224)  
So, hindi po natin tinitignan.

**[08:20:35.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007225)  
We're not measuring this.

**[08:20:37.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007226)  
Hindi po natin siya

**[08:20:39.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007227)  
ina-assess.

**[08:20:42.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007228)  
Kasi,

**[08:20:43.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007229)  
ang sinasabi po

**[08:20:46.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007230)  
Madam Sponsor

**[08:20:47.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007231)  
in previous hearings,

**[08:20:51.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007232)  
ang sabi po sa amin

**[08:20:53.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007233)  
is cash is fungible.

**[08:20:55.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007234)  
So,

**[08:20:55.900] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007235)  
when we use

**[08:20:57.900] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007236)  
the earmarked

**[08:20:58.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007237)  
funds for a particular

**[08:21:00.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007238)  
purpose, for example,

**[08:21:01.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007239)  
yung SUF,

**[08:21:04.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007240)  
we're using yung Spectrum Users Fund.

**[08:21:07.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007241)  
At hindi po siya

**[08:21:08.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007242)  
nagagamit para sa free Wi-Fi.

**[08:21:12.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007243)  
Tapos,

**[08:21:13.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007244)  
ang dami pong areas na hindi pa rin

**[08:21:14.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007245)  
natin nalalagyan

**[08:21:16.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007246)  
ng Wi-Fi. Pero,

**[08:21:18.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007247)  
ginagamit yung pera at hindi siya

**[08:21:20.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007248)  
nabibigay dun sa DICT

**[08:21:22.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007249)  
for that purpose,

**[08:21:25.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007250)  
hindi po ba merong

**[08:21:26.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007251)  
trade-off yun?

**[08:21:28.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007252)  
So,

**[08:21:28.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007253)  
that is what I'm asking.

**[08:21:30.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007254)  
If we are using it

**[08:21:32.100] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007255)  
for a particular purpose,

**[08:21:33.300] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007256)  
halimbawa,

**[08:21:33.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007257)  
ginamit natin siya

**[08:21:34.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007258)  
for another project

**[08:21:36.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007259)  
instead of

**[08:21:38.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007260)  
what it's earmarked for,

**[08:21:42.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007261)  
hindi tayo humiram.

**[08:21:46.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007262)  
Pero,

**[08:21:47.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007263)  
ang kapalit naman niya

**[08:21:48.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007264)  
ay yung free Wi-Fi,

**[08:21:50.060] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007265)  
hindi po ba dapat

**[08:21:50.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007266)  
tinitignan natin

**[08:21:51.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007267)  
kung ano yung trade-off?

**[08:22:55.500] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007281)  
Madam Speaker,

**[08:22:56.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007282)  
we recognize

**[08:22:58.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007283)  
and we actually commend

**[08:22:59.300] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007284)  
our distinguished colleague for that

**[08:23:01.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007285)  
suggestion. We should be

**[08:23:03.220] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007286)  
looking at earmarked revenues

**[08:23:05.500] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007287)  
given that these are also

**[08:23:06.880] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007288)  
enumerated and see

**[08:23:08.620] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007289)  
which sectors have

**[08:23:10.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007290)  
which particular earmarked funds.

**[08:23:13.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007291)  
That would be beneficial

**[08:23:15.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007292)  
in terms of the budgeting process.

**[08:23:18.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007293)  
But

**[08:23:18.740] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007294)  
at least as of now, what DepDep does

**[08:23:21.320] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007295)  
is that they look at the

**[08:23:22.960] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007296)  
different

**[08:23:23.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007297)  
forms of legislation,

**[08:23:26.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007298)  
see if, for example,

**[08:23:28.720] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007299)  
a particular

**[08:23:29.320] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007300)  
earmarked fund

**[08:23:32.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007301)  
should be given

**[08:23:34.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007302)  
to a different sector,

**[08:23:37.280] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007303)  
like a sector

**[08:23:39.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007304)  
that needs it more.

**[08:23:41.600] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007305)  
DepDep looks

**[08:23:42.680] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007306)  
at that. So that's

**[08:23:44.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007307)  
the only

**[08:23:45.280] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007308)  
flexibility that DepDep has as of the moment.

**[08:23:48.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007309)  
Though, this is a good

**[08:23:50.600] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007310)  
suggestion on the part of

**[08:23:52.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007311)  
our good colleague.

**[08:23:53.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007312)  
So are you saying

**[08:23:55.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007313)  
that

**[08:23:56.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007314)  
Madam Sponsor

**[08:23:57.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007315)  
that currently

**[08:23:58.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007316)  
before

**[08:24:00.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007317)  
an earmarked fund is used

**[08:24:02.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007318)  
for a different purpose,

**[08:24:03.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007319)  
ini-evaluate po ng DepDev?

**[08:24:07.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007320)  
Kung halimbawa,

**[08:24:09.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007321)  
kesa na ilagay natin 'yan

**[08:24:10.660] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007322)  
sa free Wi-Fi,

**[08:24:11.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007323)  
pagamit na lang sa isang sector

**[08:24:13.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007324)  
dahil kesa

**[08:24:14.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007325)  
umutang pa tayo para doon sa project na 'yon,

**[08:24:17.620] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007326)  
ay tanggalin na lang natin

**[08:24:21.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007327)  
sa free Wi-Fi

**[08:24:22.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007328)  
tapos ilagay natin doon sa

**[08:24:23.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007329)  
yung funding doon sa, ano,

**[08:24:26.140] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007334)  
For that particular

**[08:24:27.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007335)  
whatever purpose or other project.

**[08:24:30.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007336)  
So are we saying

**[08:24:31.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007337)  
that the DepDep evaluates

**[08:24:34.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007338)  
before the

**[08:24:36.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007339)  
earmarked fund is used?

**[08:24:40.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007340)  
Not

**[08:24:41.540] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007341)  
for earmarked revenue,

**[08:24:44.700] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007342)  
Madam Speaker.

**[08:24:45.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007343)  
Yun po ang concern ko, Madam Sponsor.

**[08:24:48.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007344)  
Kasi, shouldn't we

**[08:24:50.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007345)  
be making an assessment

**[08:24:52.160] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007346)  
first?

**[08:24:52.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007347)  
If the

**[08:24:54.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007348)  
government,

**[08:24:56.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007349)  
the intended purpose

**[08:24:58.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007350)  
for why Congress earmarked

**[08:25:00.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007351)  
or why we earmarked

**[08:25:02.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007352)  
the funds for that project,

**[08:25:04.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007353)  
hindi po po dapat kung

**[08:25:06.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007354)  
less important siya or less

**[08:25:08.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007355)  
ang economic benefit niya,

**[08:25:10.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007356)  
dun lang natin siya

**[08:25:12.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007357)  
ilipat.

**[08:25:14.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007358)  
Kasi kung hindi natin ginagawa yun,

**[08:25:16.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007359)  
we might be using

**[08:25:18.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007360)  
the earmarked funds for projects

**[08:25:20.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007361)  
which have less benefit to the country.

**[08:25:26.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007362)  
As of now, Madam Speaker,

**[08:25:28.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007363)  
this is not a practice

**[08:25:30.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007364)  
that the DepDep is currently

**[08:25:32.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007365)  
undertaking. Though,

**[08:25:34.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007366)  
given the suggestion of the Honorable

**[08:25:36.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007367)  
Nazal, the DepDep will

**[08:25:38.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007368)  
consider assessing

**[08:25:40.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007369)  
all of the earmarked revenues,

**[08:25:42.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007370)  
but just the line items.

**[08:25:44.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007371)  
Because the DepDep doesn't have visibility

**[08:25:46.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007372)  
over which particular revenues

**[08:25:48.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007373)  
actually go into

**[08:25:50.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007374)  
government funds, like the pool

**[08:25:52.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007375)  
of funds that we have.

**[08:25:54.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007376)  
What I want to, um,

**[08:25:56.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007377)  
emphasize on Madam

**[08:25:58.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007378)  
Sponsor is, before,

**[08:26:00.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007379)  
sana, before we do anything

**[08:26:02.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007380)  
to touch, kasi yung earmarked

**[08:26:04.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007381)  
funds, batas po yan eh.

**[08:26:06.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007382)  
So we earmarked something,

**[08:26:08.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007383)  
the funds for a particular purpose.

**[08:26:10.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007384)  
And that purpose,

**[08:26:12.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007385)  
kaya po tayo ng earmark, importante siya.

**[08:26:14.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007386)  
Ngayon, kung

**[08:26:16.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007387)  
gagamitin natin sa iba,

**[08:26:18.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007388)  
at the very least,

**[08:26:20.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007389)  
dapat meron po tayong procedure

**[08:26:22.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007390)  
and we came up with a

**[08:26:24.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007391)  
meron tayong tamang proseso

**[08:26:26.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007392)  
in evaluating why

**[08:26:28.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007393)  
we used it. Hindi po siya

**[08:26:30.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007394)  
arbitrary. Hindi po ba?

**[08:26:34.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007395)  
So kung gagamitin natin siya,

**[08:26:36.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007396)  
ginamit natin for a different purpose,

**[08:26:40.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007397)  
at tatanggalin natin dun sa

**[08:26:42.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007398)  
purpose nung batas, eh

**[08:26:44.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007399)  
dapat, talagang napaka-importante

**[08:26:46.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007400)  
nung proyektong yun. At mas malaki

**[08:26:48.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007401)  
talaga yung magiging benepisyon niya.

**[08:26:50.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007402)  
Yes, Madam

**[08:26:52.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007403)  
Speaker. The agency,

**[08:26:54.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007404)  
the DepDep, uh,

**[08:26:56.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007405)  
takes note of the suggestion by the

**[08:26:58.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007406)  
Honorable Nazal, which is a very good suggestion

**[08:27:00.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007407)  
actually. So baka po

**[08:27:02.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007408)  
we can also come up with a

**[08:27:04.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007409)  
I don't know, a policy or whatever na

**[08:27:06.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007410)  
Yes.

**[08:27:08.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007411)  
Bago po gamitin

**[08:27:10.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007412)  
ang any earmark, eh dapat meron

**[08:27:12.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007413)  
what do you call this,

**[08:27:14.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007414)  
merong

**[08:27:16.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007415)  
merong criteria.

**[08:27:20.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007416)  
Yes, we take note

**[08:27:22.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007417)  
and we agree, Madam Speaker.

**[08:27:26.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007418)  
So, um,

**[08:27:30.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007419)  
let me go to my next question,

**[08:27:32.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007420)  
Madam Chair. Sa

**[08:27:34.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007421)  
PhilHealth po,

**[08:27:36.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007422)  
magkano exactly ang sin tax

**[08:27:38.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007423)  
revenues earmarked for PhilHealth

**[08:27:40.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007424)  
that remain unremitted

**[08:27:42.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007425)  
or unavailable to PhilHealth today?

**[08:27:44.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007426)  
Can you please give us

**[08:27:46.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007427)  
the balance by year?

**[08:27:48.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007428)  
Madam Speaker, that

**[08:27:50.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007429)  
would be under the Department of

**[08:27:52.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007430)  
Finance. Okay,

**[08:27:54.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007431)  
kaya ako po tinatanong yan, kasi

**[08:27:56.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007432)  
from a DepDep perspective,

**[08:27:58.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007433)  
do you compute the economic cost

**[08:28:00.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007434)  
of delaying

**[08:28:02.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007435)  
those funds being remitted to PhilHealth?

**[08:28:04.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007436)  
Kasi,

**[08:28:06.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007437)  
yung may sakit po, di ba?

**[08:28:08.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007438)  
Yung ating mga taong

**[08:28:10.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007439)  
may sakit, for example, hindi sila

**[08:28:12.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007440)  
nagiging productive. Ngayon, kung merong

**[08:28:14.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007441)  
kung sila

**[08:28:16.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007442)  
naman ay kailangan nilang gastusin

**[08:28:18.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007443)  
yung pera na iyon para sa

**[08:28:20.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007444)  
kanilang pagpapagamot,

**[08:28:22.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007445)  
ito po ay pera na pwede

**[08:28:24.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007446)  
naman po nilang gamitin para

**[08:28:26.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007447)  
pang hanap buhay or pang negosyo.

**[08:28:28.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007448)  
So,

**[08:28:30.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007449)  
that is the reason why

**[08:28:32.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007450)  
I'm asking, kasi

**[08:28:34.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007451)  
dapat po tinitignan din natin ito, because

**[08:28:36.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007452)  
sabi nga nila,

**[08:28:38.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007453)  
health is wealth. Hindi po ba?

**[08:28:40.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007454)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[08:28:42.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007455)  
The

**[08:28:44.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007456)  
Good Secretary assures that if there are

**[08:28:46.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007457)  
requests for

**[08:28:48.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007458)  
for example, for the

**[08:28:50.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007459)  
study or the assessment of

**[08:28:52.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007460)  
these types of issues,

**[08:28:54.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007461)  
then the DepDep can

**[08:28:56.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007462)  
conduct studies on it.

**[08:28:58.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007463)  
So,

**[08:29:00.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007464)  
ito po ang nais kong

**[08:29:02.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007465)  
tingnan nyo rin po.

**[08:29:04.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007466)  
Efficient healthcare

**[08:29:06.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007467)  
frees household income.

**[08:29:08.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007468)  
Kung hindi kailangan ubusin ng

**[08:29:10.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007469)  
pamilya ang savings nila sa hospitalization,

**[08:29:12.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007470)  
that money can

**[08:29:14.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007471)  
go to education, housing, business,

**[08:29:16.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007472)  
investment, or consumption

**[08:29:18.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007473)  
that makes the economy move.

**[08:29:20.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007474)  
So, ang tanong po natin is

**[08:29:22.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007475)  
do we quantify

**[08:29:24.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007476)  
the effect of inadequate

**[08:29:26.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007477)  
healthcare financing

**[08:29:28.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007478)  
on out-of-pocket spending,

**[08:29:30.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007479)  
household savings,

**[08:29:32.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007480)  
consumption, productivity,

**[08:29:34.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007481)  
and economic growth?

**[08:29:48.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007482)  
May time, please.

**[08:29:54.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007483)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[08:29:56.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007484)  
Thank you.

**[08:30:00.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007485)  
Madam Speaker, the Philippine Institute of Development Studies has a health economics program.

**[08:30:13.740] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007486)  
There are multiple studies that they are conducting with regards to this issue.

**[08:30:19.720] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007487)  
The agency, the DepDev, will be happy to furnish copies to our distinguished colleagues.

**[08:30:26.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007488)  
Thank you for that, Madam Chair, Madam Sponsor.

**[08:30:30.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007489)  
My next question is, kasi ito po, magkakadugtong po ito eh, so please bear with me.

**[08:30:37.100] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007490)  
Do you also compare the economic cost against whatever the national government gains?

**[08:30:42.980] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007491)  
Kasi po, dinidelay natin yung pondo.

**[08:30:45.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007492)  
So, most likely, because cash is fungible, we are using it elsewhere instead of dinadala natin sa PhilHealth.

**[08:30:53.600] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007493)  
So, do we compute?

**[08:30:58.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007494)  
Do we compare the economic cost?

**[08:31:00.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007495)  
Do we compare the economic cost against whatever the national government gains by retaining the money, reducing borrowing, or using the fiscal space elsewhere?

**[08:32:15.430] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007504)  
Madam Speaker, the PIDS and also the other attachments that will see the records if we have assessments of these trade-offs.

**[08:32:26.000] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007505)  
Thank you. Thank you for that. Sana po tignan natin kasi napaka-importante.

**[08:32:31.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007506)  
Okay, let me move to my next question on the HEDF.

**[08:32:35.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007507)  
Madam Chair, magkano exactly ang HEDF balance still with the Bureau of Treasury?

**[08:32:41.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007508)  
Would we know that? Meron po ba tayong details on that?

**[08:32:46.720] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007509)  
Can we repeat the abbreviation, Madam Speaker?

**[08:32:51.080] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007510)  
Magkano exactly ang HEDF balance?

**[08:32:55.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007511)  
Okay.

**[08:32:55.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007512)  
Still with the Bureau of Treasury?

**[08:32:58.960] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007513)  
Oh.

**[08:32:59.880] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007514)  
Ito po yung sa CHED.

**[08:33:02.260] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007515)  
That would be under the DOF, Madam Speaker.

**[08:33:05.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007516)  
No, the reason why I'm asking is because

**[08:33:08.540] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007517)  
RA 7722 says CHED shall appoint a reputable government financial institution as portfolio manager for the HEDF.

**[08:33:19.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007518)  
Yun po yung Republic Act.

**[08:33:20.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007519)  
Yet the funds were transferred to Treasury pursuant to E0338.

**[08:33:25.640] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007520)  
An executive order cannot supersede a law passed by Congress.

**[08:33:30.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007521)  
So, ang tanong po, why is the government allowing this apparent violation of the law to continue?

**[08:33:36.440] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007522)  
Is this fiscal convenience because the national government needs the money elsewhere or wants to reduce borrowing?

**[08:33:45.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007523)  
Madam Speaker, the Bureau of Treasury is an attached agency of the Department of Finance.

**[08:33:51.400] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007524)  
The reason why this is important, Madam Chair, distinguished sponsor,

**[08:33:58.300] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007525)  
has DEPDev computed whether that is actually a better economic decision?

**[08:34:03.460] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007526)  
Kasi parang ang nangyari po,

**[08:34:04.860] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007527)  
iniwan natin, kaysa sa nasa CHED po yung pera,

**[08:34:09.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007528)  
managed by a private institution, ang ginawa po,

**[08:34:14.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007529)  
nag-issue po tayo ng executive order, tapos nilagay po natin sa Bureau of Treasury.

**[08:34:20.140] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007530)  
So, ang nangyayari po, CHED,

**[08:34:22.260] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007531)  
hindi po nababayaran ng CHED yung mga obligasyon niya sa mga state universities.

**[08:34:31.340] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007536)  
Ngayon, meron pong economic effect yan.

**[08:34:34.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007537)  
Ano yung economic effect niyan?

**[08:34:36.280] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007538)  
Hindi po nabibigyan ng, maraming hindi na-accommodate na college scholars

**[08:34:42.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007539)  
or students yung mga SUCs kasi yung pera ng CHED nasa Bureau of Treasury.

**[08:34:51.840] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-007540)  
Honorable Nazal, please wrap up.

**[08:34:56.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007541)  
So, that's something lang po na I would like to, for health, for education, sana po na mamesure din po natin.

**[08:35:04.180] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007542)  
Let me go to my next, Madam Chair, does the DEV-DEV set a long-term objective towards a balanced budget?

**[08:35:14.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007543)  
Meron po ba tayong long-term plan na eventually, tinitignan po natin, we will achieve a balanced budget?

**[08:35:21.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007544)  
Are we gunning for that?

**[08:35:25.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007545)  
Kasi po, pataas ng pataas ang utang natin, while at the same time, marami tayong appropriations na hindi nagagamit.

**[08:35:32.420] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007546)  
Are we borrowing partly to support a level of appropriations that government cannot even implement?

**[08:35:42.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007547)  
Madam Speaker, well, at least on the part of DEV-DEV, in terms of a balanced budget,

**[08:35:48.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007548)  
it just assesses the macroeconomic outlook.

**[08:35:51.840] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007549)  
It gives the recommendation to the DBCC.

**[08:35:55.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007550)  
But in terms of balanced budget in prioritizing critical sectors, that's something that the DEV-DEV does.

**[08:36:03.380] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007551)  
It also assesses our compliance to sustainable development goals.

**[08:36:09.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007552)  
That's one way in which we can prioritize critical sectors in health, in education, and all of the related sectors.

**[08:36:19.920] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007553)  
The reason why I'm asking,

**[08:36:21.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007554)  
asking this,

**[08:36:22.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007555)  
kasi wala po ba tayong end goal in sight?

**[08:36:25.060] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-007556)  
Your time has ended already.

**[08:36:26.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007557)  
Just, almost done, ma'am.

**[08:36:28.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007558)  
Almost done.

**[08:36:30.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007559)  
So, because I understand that deficits can make sense.

**[08:36:33.580] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007560)  
Kasi right now, we're deficit spending.

**[08:36:36.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007561)  
If we borrow for productive investments that generate growth,

**[08:36:39.760] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007562)  
but if we borrow and the money cannot be implemented effectively,

**[08:36:44.320] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007563)  
doesn't that weaken the justification for additional debt?

**[08:36:47.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007564)  
So, yun po ang isa sa gusto kong tingnan.

**[08:36:49.780] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007565)  
Secondly,

**[08:36:51.120] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007566)  
has DEV-DEV modeled what level of deficit is actually optimal for the Philippines?

**[08:36:56.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007567)  
And what would it take eventually to balance the budget without damaging growth and essential services?

**[08:37:02.740] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007568)  
So, wala po ba tayong long-term plan?

**[08:37:14.840] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007569)  
Madam Speaker, the DEV-DEV is involved with at least the revisions and updating of the medium-term fiscal framework.

**[08:37:21.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007570)  
So, these are challenges and issues that the DEV-DEV also considers.

**[08:37:27.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007571)  
So, okay. Thank you.

**[08:37:29.020] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007572)  
Madam Chair, just a quick manifestation to end my interpolation.

**[08:37:35.500] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007573)  
Planning should not stop with setting targets.

**[08:37:38.720] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007574)  
For me, DEV-DEV should also know what is preventing government from implementing them,

**[08:37:44.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007575)  
what that failure costs the economy,

**[08:37:46.820] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007576)  
and what government needs to do to fix it.

**[08:37:49.800] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007577)  
Every decision,

**[08:37:50.960] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007578)  
to spend,

**[08:37:51.680] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007579)  
has a cost.

**[08:37:52.940] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007580)  
But every decision not to spend

**[08:37:54.700] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007581)  
or to delay spending

**[08:37:56.040] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007582)  
also has a cost.

**[08:37:58.200] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007583)  
I hope DEV-DEV will be much more proactive in monitoring the spending

**[08:38:02.560] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007584)  
and implementation performance of our agencies,

**[08:38:06.840] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007585)  
identifying bottlenecks early

**[08:38:08.520] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007586)  
and recommending to both the Executive and Congress

**[08:38:11.240] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007587)  
what needs to be done

**[08:38:12.480] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007588)  
before these problems translate into slower growth.

**[08:38:16.360] Rep. Roberto Nazal** (asr-007589)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[08:38:18.240] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-007590)  
[unclear] Leader.

**[08:38:26.710] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-007591)  
Madam Speaker,

**[08:38:28.760] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-007592)  
may we recognize

**[08:38:30.200] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-007593)  
the Honorable Antonio Tinio

**[08:38:32.540] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-007594)  
of ACT Teachers Party-list

**[08:38:35.080] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-007595)  
for his interpellation.

**[08:38:36.680] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-007596)  
Honorable Antonio Tinio

**[08:38:38.580] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-007597)  
of ACT Teachers Party-list

**[08:38:40.980] Deputy Speaker Maria Rachel J. Arenas** (asr-007598)  
is recognized.

**[08:38:48.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007599)  
Thank you.

**[08:38:49.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007600)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[08:38:50.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007601)  
Speaker, sponsor, kanina ang mga tanong po natin ay kinalaman sa debt, papalaking utang, papalaking ring deficit spending at sinabi natin na saan napunta yung inutang.

**[08:39:11.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007602)  
Pinakita rin natin yung utang ang nagpondos at nag-enable sa pambihirang paglobo ng pork infrastructure, notably flood control, and pork ayuda, yung maifip, tupad, aiks, among others.

**[08:39:37.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007603)  
Only possible because umutang tayo ng malaki.

**[08:39:45.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007604)  
Okay. Ngayon, let's talk about yung regional allocation ng spending.

**[08:40:06.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007605)  
Paano nahahati?

**[08:40:07.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007606)  
Yan. Okay. So, kaya may kinalaman pa rin ito sa dev-dev, diba? Okay. Regional development. Okay.

**[08:40:21.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007607)  
Alright. So, I think I have some slides as well. Meron ba?

**[08:40:31.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007608)  
Slides po. Yeah.

**[08:40:32.760] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007609)  
Ito pa ang number one natin? Okay.

**[08:40:36.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007610)  
Okay. Parang hindi yan yung number one slide natin. Okay.

**[08:40:43.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007611)  
Nabalita, na-report sa balita, no? When the former DPWH Secretary Bonoan, diba? Testified in a plunder case, diba? Kaugnay sa flood control, he mentioned, sabi niya, there was such a thing.

**[08:41:01.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007612)  
During the first three years of this administration, there was such a thing.

**[08:41:06.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007613)  
As a leadership fund, yun na sabi niya. Leadership fund sa DPWH.

**[08:41:12.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007614)  
Ibig sabihin, merong parang centralized, no? Central office na pondo for infrastructure. Infrastructure funding na centrally managed. Okay.

**[08:41:30.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007615)  
As distinct from yung nasa mga region.

**[08:41:34.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007616)  
Sa mga district engineering offices.

**[08:41:38.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007617)  
Sabi niya, well, sino yung nakinabang dyan? Sabi niya, as reported, lahat daw ng mga senador in the previous congress, they all partook of this leadership fund.

**[08:41:49.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007618)  
Okay. Ano pa yung nasa slide natin? Next slide.

**[08:41:54.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007619)  
Kalimutan ko na yung laman ng presentation, eh. Next slide.

**[08:41:57.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007620)  
Okay.

**[08:41:58.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007621)  
Okay.

**[08:41:59.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007622)  
And so, if you do look at the 2026...

**[08:42:04.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007623)  
2027 budget of... proposed budget of DPWH, you'll notice 80% talaga centrally managed.

**[08:42:16.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007624)  
No?

**[08:42:17.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007625)  
Centrally managed as against yung directly nasa region.

**[08:42:21.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007626)  
80% of their capital outlay budget is in the central office.

**[08:42:28.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007627)  
Okay. Next slide.

**[08:42:29.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007628)  
Di na natin iti-detalye.

**[08:42:31.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007629)  
And then if you zoom in even further,

**[08:42:34.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007630)  
kung tignan natin yung flood control, gano'n din in distribution, central office, pero broken down pa rin into regions yan, ha?

**[08:42:46.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007631)  
Central office ay may malaking 80% as well is in the central office and then yung regions, yung nasa baba, are 20%.

**[08:43:01.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007632)  
Gano'n.

**[08:43:02.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007633)  
Okay.

**[08:43:03.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007634)  
Okay.

**[08:43:04.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007635)  
So, parang ganito, in terms of number of projects, 1,255 of the projects are centrally managed, distributed sa region, yung directly nasa district engineering offices are 100...

**[08:43:24.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007636)  
Okay.

**[08:43:24.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007637)  
No, actually, number of DEOs with flood control projects, 112 of 199.

**[08:43:34.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007638)  
So, actually, hindi lahat ng mga district engineering offices merong flood control projects.

**[08:43:45.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007639)  
And baka sabihin nyo, well, hindi naman siguro lahat, binabaha.

**[08:43:49.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007640)  
But if you will notice, kung titignan mo yan, merong blanco.

**[08:43:52.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007641)  
For example, you look at that column, region 11, that's Davao region, blanco.

**[08:44:02.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007642)  
Blanco, blanco.

**[08:44:03.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007643)  
So, yung district engineering offices doon, walang flood control projects.

**[08:44:08.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007644)  
So, parang sabihin nyo, but ganun, binabaha naman sa Davao, pero wala sila.

**[08:44:14.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007645)  
Sa central office, meron for them.

**[08:44:17.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007646)  
Okay.

**[08:44:18.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007647)  
What's the point here?

**[08:44:19.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007648)  
The point nga is yung allocation.

**[08:44:23.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007649)  
Diba?

**[08:44:24.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007650)  
Yung allocation ng mga pondo.

**[08:44:27.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007651)  
Ginawa lang natin example yung sa DPWH.

**[08:44:32.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007652)  
Okay.

**[08:44:32.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007653)  
Okay.

**[08:44:33.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007654)  
So, ano ba yung next slide natin?

**[08:44:41.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007655)  
Can I see the next slide?

**[08:44:46.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007656)  
I don't know.

**[08:44:47.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007657)  
Okay.

**[08:44:48.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007658)  
Alright.

**[08:44:48.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007659)  
The question here is, usually, this is the NEP.

**[08:44:58.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007660)  
This is the NEP.

**[08:44:59.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007661)  
And in the...

**[08:45:00.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007662)  
Okay, from the point of view, lalo na of district representatives, kasabihin nila, mukhang hindi equitable ang allocation ng infrastructure budget.

**[08:45:15.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007663)  
But ganun, may mga marami na sa central office, tapos ito nga, as you can see here, in the case of one program, only 112 of 199 district engineering offices have projects.

**[08:45:34.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007664)  
Okay, so my question actually, the question is more addressed to the Committee on Appropriations rather than DepDev actually.

**[08:45:45.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007665)  
Will Congress entertain and incorporate amendments to address such gaps in the allocation of infrastructure?

**[08:46:06.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007666)  
Ibig sabihin, tatanggap ba ang kongresong ito at magpapasok ng mga, let's call them, congressional amendments?

**[08:46:15.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007667)  
Commendments to the NEP to address these, pwedeng sabihin, the inequity, the regional inequity in allocation.

**[08:46:35.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007668)  
Yan ang tanong.

**[08:46:45.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007669)  
Tigil po muna, o, tigil po muna.

**[08:46:51.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007670)  
Tigil po muna.

**[08:46:53.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007671)  
Madam Speaker.

**[08:46:53.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007672)  
Top the clock.

**[08:46:55.520] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007673)  
Ayaw.

**[08:46:57.040] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007674)  
Madam Speaker, at least on the part of the DepDev, the DepDev has been closely coordinating with the DBM in terms of enhancing at least the planning stages and the proposals of the projects that are needed.

**[08:47:15.660] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007675)  
Like the strategic investments needed for infrastructure projects.

**[08:47:21.300] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007676)  
Alright.

**[08:47:21.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007677)  
So, at least on the part of DepDev, that is the...

**[08:47:24.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007678)  
Yeah, as I understand, supposedly in the preparation of the NEP, the DepDev is involved, is that correct?

**[08:47:32.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007679)  
In the, at the, from starting at the RDC level, Regional Development Council level, is that correct?

**[08:47:41.200] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007680)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[08:47:42.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007681)  
Okay, so involved dun.

**[08:47:44.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007682)  
No?

**[08:47:44.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007683)  
No?

**[08:47:44.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007684)  
At actually, ang paliwanag,

**[08:47:45.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007685)  
sa akin, during the budget briefings, ang mga nasama daw sa NEP, yung dumaan sa mga RDC.

**[08:47:52.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007686)  
Diba?

**[08:47:53.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007687)  
So, kung yung mga sabi dito, kung merong mga halimbawa, districts na wala o kulang, hindi sila nakahabol dun.

**[08:48:05.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007688)  
Okay.

**[08:48:07.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007689)  
So, pero, yung ang tanong ko nga, paano yung mga yun?

**[08:48:10.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007690)  
Will this Congress, no?

**[08:48:14.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007691)  
In this gap.

**[08:48:15.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007692)  
Will it incorporate yung mga proposed amendment to address these gaps?

**[08:48:30.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007693)  
Particularly in the case of public infrastructure.

**[08:48:33.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007694)  
Kahit hindi na dumaan dun sa proseso ng RDC.

**[08:48:38.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007695)  
So, tatanggapin ba ng Kongreso?

**[08:48:40.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007696)  
As I said, the question is more addressed to Congress itself.

**[08:48:44.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007697)  
Diba?

**[08:48:45.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007698)  
So, that's the question.

**[08:48:47.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007699)  
So, I'm asking actually, the Vice Chair of the Committee on Appropriation.

**[08:48:53.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007700)  
Madam Speaker, as the Budget Sponsor of the Department of Economy, Planning, and Development,

**[08:48:58.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007701)  
I can only speak for the involvement of the DEP-DEV in terms of proposing infrastructure projects on the regional level.

**[08:49:07.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007702)  
Okay.

**[08:49:09.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007703)  
All right.

**[08:49:10.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007704)  
Sige.

**[08:49:11.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007705)  
Ready na.

**[08:49:12.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007706)  
The next...

**[08:49:13.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007707)  
Next...

**[08:49:15.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007708)  
Next slide po.

**[08:49:19.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007709)  
Next slide.

**[08:49:20.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007710)  
Tubos oras natin.

**[08:49:22.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007711)  
Okay.

**[08:49:23.760] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007712)  
So, historically, if I may, if we go by yung kasaysayan ng budget, historically, nangyayari yun.

**[08:49:38.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007713)  
No?

**[08:49:38.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007714)  
From the NEP, no?

**[08:49:41.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007715)  
Biglang magpapasok ng mga proyekto, particular for infrastructure.

**[08:49:49.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007716)  
That happened.

**[08:49:51.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007717)  
So, from the NEP, you get the approved general appropriations bill.

**[08:49:56.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007718)  
And there, yung mga deficiencies na sinabi natin, mapupunuan yan.

**[08:50:01.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007719)  
So, historically, nangyayari yun.

**[08:50:04.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007720)  
Pero, in order to be able to do that,

**[08:50:05.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007721)  
in order to be able to do that, alam naman natin, since there's a fixed ceiling,

**[08:50:11.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007722)  
on the budget, diba?

**[08:50:13.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007723)  
In this case, it's 7.2 trillion.

**[08:50:16.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007724)  
Kailangan may pagkunan.

**[08:50:18.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007725)  
Para madagdagan mo yung DPWH, kailangan may bawasan ka from somewhere.

**[08:50:22.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007726)  
Correct?

**[08:50:23.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007727)  
And then, what does this table show?

**[08:50:25.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007728)  
This table shows, historically, saan yung mga pinakalaking, malaking binawasan?

**[08:50:34.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007729)  
Para makapagdagdag.

**[08:50:36.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007730)  
Okay?

**[08:50:38.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007731)  
Informally, this is referred to as source.

**[08:50:40.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007732)  
Ano yung ginagawang source?

**[08:50:41.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007733)  
Source ng funding.

**[08:50:43.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007734)  
Of course, that's incorrect, no?

**[08:50:44.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007735)  
Pero, source.

**[08:50:46.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007736)  
Now, pakita natin, historically, ang isang favorite source ng Kongreso ay the DOTR, Foreign Assisted Project.

**[08:50:58.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007737)  
And, of course, DepDEP may kinalaman kasi silang nag-a-approve dyan, eh.

**[08:51:02.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007738)  
Tama ba?

**[08:51:03.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007739)  
Yung mga flagship DOTR projects.

**[08:51:08.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007740)  
San yung may kinalaman sa DepDEP yung tanong ko?

**[08:51:11.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007741)  
Okay?

**[08:51:12.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007742)  
So, nakita po natin dito.

**[08:51:16.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007743)  
So, again, you will notice a pattern.

**[08:51:20.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007744)  
In 2016, we only went back as far as 2016.

**[08:51:24.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007745)  
Nakita natin nun, ang kalakaran, kung ano yung pinroposed na DOTR, Foreign Assisted Project, yun din ang in-approve ng Kongreso sa GAA.

**[08:51:33.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007746)  
Okay?

**[08:51:34.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007747)  
No?

**[08:51:34.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007748)  
2016, that was the case.

**[08:51:36.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007749)  
2017.

**[08:51:38.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007750)  
2018.

**[08:51:39.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007751)  
Medyo, dito na nagsimula yung pattern.

**[08:51:44.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007752)  
May pinroposed, tapos, kalahati lang ang in-approve sa GAA.

**[08:51:50.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007753)  
No?

**[08:51:51.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007754)  
But then, we see that pattern on a larger scale, no?

**[08:51:59.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007755)  
Starting 2020 up to 2026.

**[08:52:02.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007756)  
So, ano po nakita natin?

**[08:52:05.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007757)  
Partikular sa DOTR, Foreign Assisted Projects.

**[08:52:08.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007758)  
Yung mga DOTR, Foreign Assisted Projects.

**[08:52:09.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007759)  
Yan yung mga railway, North-North-South Railway, Subway, and so on.

**[08:52:15.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007760)  
Diba?

**[08:52:15.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007761)  
Mga mainly, these are rail projects.

**[08:52:18.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007762)  
Ano nangyari?

**[08:52:19.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007763)  
Starting, especially in 2020, as you can see.

**[08:52:23.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007764)  
No?

**[08:52:27.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007765)  
Ayan.

**[08:52:28.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007766)  
Nakita nyo.

**[08:52:29.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007767)  
2020, the proposed was 101 billion.

**[08:52:33.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007768)  
And then, the approved was only, was 46% below the proposal.

**[08:52:38.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007769)  
Okay?

**[08:52:39.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007780)  
And then, if you go to the 2024, talagang ito yung pinaka-extreme.

**[08:52:46.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007781)  
Ito rin yung, it's no coincidence, ito rin yung may pinakamalaking flood control.

**[08:52:52.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007782)  
At may pinakamalaking dagdag sa ayuda.

**[08:52:56.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007783)  
Yung pinakita ko kanina, no?

**[08:52:57.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007784)  
So, tignan nyo.

**[08:52:59.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007785)  
Ang proposed for Foreign Assisted Projects was 161 billion.

**[08:53:04.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007786)  
Ang in-approved was only 3.5 billion.

**[08:53:08.760] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007787)  
Okay.

**[08:53:08.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007788)  
Ang in-approved was only 98% below the proposal.

**[08:53:12.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007789)  
Okay?

**[08:53:14.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007790)  
Okay.

**[08:53:15.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007791)  
So, ganun ang pattern.

**[08:53:16.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007792)  
Ngayon, I ask this because in 2027, malaki.

**[08:53:20.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007793)  
Napakalaki nung, napakalaki nung Foreign Assisted.

**[08:53:26.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007794)  
232 billion.

**[08:53:27.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007795)  
So, my question is, will this happen again?

**[08:53:31.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007796)  
No?

**[08:53:31.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007797)  
Ang laki-laki ng pinroposed for DOTR, DOTR Foreign Assisted Projects.

**[08:53:37.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007798)  
Tapos sa GAA, 2% lang pala yung ma-approve.

**[08:53:43.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007799)  
Okay.

**[08:53:43.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007800)  
So, anong epekto pagka ganun?

**[08:53:47.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007801)  
Sa DepDev, ano yung epekto pagka ganun ang ginagawa ng Kongreso?

**[08:53:53.680] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007802)  
Madam Speaker, going back to what was mentioned a while ago,

**[08:53:59.080] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007803)  
given the delays in public infrastructure spending,

**[08:54:02.400] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007804)  
if we implemented those in a timely manner,

**[08:54:06.040] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007805)  
we would have grown.

**[08:54:07.700] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007806)  
One percentage point higher.

**[08:54:09.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007807)  
So, that's one estimate that the DepDev has.

**[08:54:15.380] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007808)  
But in terms of the DOTR projects,

**[08:54:19.680] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007809)  
like the DepDev only has purview over the IFPs.

**[08:54:23.880] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007810)  
So, there are 60 IFPs for DOTR.

**[08:54:28.900] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007811)  
If it's okay with our distinguished colleague,

**[08:54:31.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007812)  
we can give a copy as well as the status of these projects.

**[08:54:35.600] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007813)  
Or I can enumerate if we're good.

**[08:54:37.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007814)  
If my colleague wants.

**[08:54:40.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007815)  
Okay.

**[08:54:40.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007816)  
So, I am told...

**[08:54:42.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007817)  
Madam Chair, baka pwedeng...

**[08:54:45.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007818)  
May tanong lang po ako sa regarding the parliamentary status.

**[08:54:53.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007819)  
If I may ask first,

**[08:54:55.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007820)  
pwede mo matigil lang po yung oras?

**[08:55:01.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007821)  
Ayaw, itigil yung oras.

**[08:55:03.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007822)  
No, I am told that now the interpolation will include both...

**[08:55:07.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007823)  
DepDev and DBM?

**[08:55:11.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007824)  
Ganun po ba yun?

**[08:55:15.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007825)  
Okay.

**[08:55:15.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007826)  
O hindi.

**[08:55:16.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007827)  
You are not defending DBM budget.

**[08:55:19.980] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007828)  
Just the DepDev budget.

**[08:55:21.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007829)  
Ah, DepDev budget.

**[08:55:22.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007830)  
Okay, it's clear.

**[08:55:22.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007831)  
Thank you.

**[08:55:23.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007832)  
Thank you.

**[08:55:24.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007833)  
Alright.

**[08:55:25.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007834)  
Alright.

**[08:55:26.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007835)  
So, ano po nangyayari?

**[08:55:28.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007836)  
So, obviously, pagka hindi pinunduhan,

**[08:55:30.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007837)  
hindi ma-implement.

**[08:55:33.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007838)  
Tama po.

**[08:55:34.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007839)  
Okay.

**[08:55:36.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007840)  
However,

**[08:55:36.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007841)  
meron akong question dyan

**[08:55:38.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007842)  
because

**[08:55:38.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007843)  
in the NEP,

**[08:55:42.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007844)  
yung mga foreign-assisted projects na ganyan,

**[08:55:45.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007845)  
they are tied to specific loans.

**[08:55:48.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007846)  
Tama po ba?

**[08:55:49.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007847)  
Perfected loans.

**[08:55:50.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007848)  
Correct?

**[08:55:52.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007849)  
Correct?

**[08:55:53.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007850)  
Tama po ba?

**[08:55:55.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007851)  
Yung nasa NEP,

**[08:55:57.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007852)  
na foreign-assisted project ng DOTR,

**[08:56:00.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007853)  
meron ng loan agreement yun.

**[08:56:04.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007854)  
Tama?

**[08:56:04.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007855)  
Tama?

**[08:56:06.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007856)  
Not all projects, Madam Speaker.

**[08:56:10.540] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007857)  
But most IFPs for foreign-assisted would be tied to official development assistance loans.

**[08:56:18.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007858)  
So, as a general rule, yung nilalagay sa NEP, yun ay yung meron ng loan na.

**[08:56:22.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007859)  
Sigurado na, nandyan na.

**[08:56:23.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007860)  
Hindi yung mag-ne-negotiate pa lang kami, lalagay na namin sa NEP.

**[08:56:27.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007861)  
Di ba? Hindi ganon?

**[08:56:28.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007862)  
Yes.

**[08:56:29.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007863)  
Nando na yung loan.

**[08:56:30.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007864)  
Okay.

**[08:56:31.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007865)  
So, however, my question now is,

**[08:56:33.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007866)  
pagka ginawa yan ng Kongreso,

**[08:56:36.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007867)  
proposal was 151 billion,

**[08:56:42.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007868)  
and then the approved in the GAA was only a fraction of that,

**[08:56:46.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007869)  
2% of that.

**[08:56:49.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007870)  
Ang tanyari, shouldn't that then, dahil natanggal na yung...

**[08:56:54.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007871)  
The effect there is that the source of funding is no longer available, correct?

**[08:57:01.300] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007872)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[08:57:02.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007873)  
In other words,

**[08:57:03.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007874)  
Congress cannot use the...

**[08:57:06.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007875)  
The freed up, let's call that freed up fiscal space, yun ba ang tawag doon?

**[08:57:14.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007876)  
Okay.

**[08:57:16.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007877)  
To fund other projects.

**[08:57:18.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007878)  
Di ba hindi pwede yun?

**[08:57:19.640] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007879)  
No, Madam Speaker.

**[08:57:20.360] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007880)  
Hindi pwede, di ba?

**[08:57:21.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007881)  
Nasabi natin, teka, 150 dapat sa foreign assisted, pero ginawasan natin ng 140.

**[08:57:29.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007882)  
Therefore, we have freed up 140 for other projects.

**[08:57:33.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007883)  
Di ba hindi pwede yun?

**[08:57:35.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007884)  
No.

**[08:57:36.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007885)  
No, Madam Speaker.

**[08:57:37.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007886)  
Hindi pwede.

**[08:57:37.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007887)  
Eh, pero yun ang ginagawa ng Kongreso all the time.

**[08:57:41.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007888)  
Di ba may mali doon?

**[08:57:43.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007889)  
So, in other words,

**[08:57:44.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007890)  
if when Congress, or if Congress specifically reduces the appropriation for

**[08:57:53.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007891)  
foreign assisted projects with perfected loan agreements,

**[08:57:59.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007892)  
pagka binawasan yun ng Kongreso, in terms of pag hindi inappropriate yun ng Kongreso,

**[08:58:05.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007893)  
then that should...

**[08:58:06.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007894)  
reduce the total budget.

**[08:58:10.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007895)  
Kung baga, yung, kunyari, 7.2, dapat kung binawasan mo ng 100B na foreign assisted,

**[08:58:18.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007896)  
dapat 7.1 na lang ang ceiling.

**[08:58:21.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007897)  
Hindi ba ganun dapat ang epekto nun?

**[08:58:24.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007898)  
You get my point?

**[08:58:25.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007899)  
Madam, correct?

**[08:58:30.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007900)  
Could you please place that on the record?

**[08:58:35.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007901)  
Well, Madam Speaker,

**[08:58:36.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007902)  
if it's in the GAA,

**[08:58:39.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007903)  
then it should be,

**[08:58:42.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007904)  
the funding for that particular project is,

**[08:58:46.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007905)  
for that particular project, you can't modify.

**[08:58:49.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007906)  
Well, I think what I'm pointing out is, in fact,

**[08:58:52.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007907)  
that ganun nga nangyayari, no?

**[08:58:54.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007908)  
I mean, for many years,

**[08:58:57.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007909)  
ginagawa ng Kongreso, binabawasan ng malaki

**[08:58:59.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007910)  
yung DOTR, foreign assisted projects,

**[08:59:03.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007911)  
and these are specifically,

**[08:59:06.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007912)  
tied to a source, the loan,

**[08:59:10.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007913)  
tapos, the freed up space is used for, you know,

**[08:59:17.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007914)  
for insertion, congressional insertion.

**[08:59:22.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007915)  
Yung mga proyektong dinadagdag.

**[08:59:26.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007916)  
So, specifically,

**[08:59:28.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007917)  
pinakamalala yan nung years 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025.

**[08:59:34.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007918)  
Ayan din yung panahon na pinakamalala,

**[08:59:35.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007919)  
yung flood control

**[08:59:37.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007920)  
insertions, diba?

**[08:59:40.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007921)  
So, yun ang point ko.

**[08:59:41.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007922)  
Okay. That is the point

**[08:59:44.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007923)  
I'm making. And now,

**[08:59:45.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007924)  
the question I am asking

**[08:59:47.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007925)  
this Congress is, gagawin na naman ba yun

**[08:59:50.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007926)  
ng Kongresong ito?

**[08:59:54.760] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007927)  
Pwede pa bang gawin yun ng Kongresong ito?

**[09:00:00.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007928)  
Well, Madam Speaker, well, not pertaining to the budget of the DepDev.

**[09:00:04.400] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007929)  
That's precisely the reason why we're instituting a lot of the reforms that we have.

**[09:00:10.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-007930)  
We're trying to be transparent and accountable.

**[09:00:11.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007931)  
Alright. So nagre-reforman na, so dapat hindi na pwede.

**[09:00:16.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007932)  
So, klaro, hindi porke 2027, nasa 232 billion ang proposed foreign-assisted projects.

**[09:00:27.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007933)  
Projects. Tapos kung titignan nyo yung item nyo, nakalagay talaga doon yung loan agreement.

**[09:00:32.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007934)  
Meron pang serial number, etc., etc., nung loan agreement.

**[09:00:36.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007935)  
So hindi na pwedeng galawin ito as a source for congressional amendments or insertions.

**[09:00:44.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007936)  
Okay, that's clear.

**[09:00:46.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007937)  
Another, the other, yan naman, yung isa naman.

**[09:00:50.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007938)  
Yan, ang isa pang paborito over the years, PS, personnel services.

**[09:00:57.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007939)  
Specifically here, we're focusing on miscellaneous personnel benefits fund.

**[09:01:04.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007940)  
Okay, ano yung miscellaneous personnel?

**[09:01:06.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007941)  
Para po yan sa dagdag na sweldo, dagdag na binipisyo, o new hiring, new plantilla positions ng gobyerno.

**[09:01:15.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007942)  
Okay, and what do we see?

**[09:01:17.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007943)  
Again, we see the same pattern.

**[09:01:19.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007944)  
In 2016, doon tayo nagsimula, kung ano yung pinroposed sa NEP na MPBF noon,

**[09:01:25.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007945)  
yun din ang aprobahan.

**[09:01:27.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007946)  
Anong kongreso?

**[09:01:31.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007947)  
Pero, I mean, even up to, well, ayan, meron na nangyari, no?

**[09:01:39.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007948)  
Pero makikita talaga natin, starting in 2020, anong year ba ito?

**[09:01:46.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007949)  
2022, and especially 2023, we see the same pattern.

**[09:01:52.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007950)  
NEP, MPBF is 62 billion.

**[09:01:57.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007951)  
But the GAA, MPBF is, 2023, GAA is 26 billion.

**[09:02:06.780] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007952)  
70% lower.

**[09:02:09.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007953)  
Binawasan ng 70%.

**[09:02:11.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007954)  
Tapos, and so on.

**[09:02:14.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007955)  
Again, ang pinakamalala, no?

**[09:02:18.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007956)  
So, kailangan matalasa kay Saisaya na ang pinakamalalang mga abuso sa budget, 2024.

**[09:02:25.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007957)  
No?

**[09:02:27.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007958)  
So, MPBF then was 135, but approved in GAA is 29 billion.

**[09:02:37.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007959)  
29 billion.

**[09:02:39.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007960)  
Okay.

**[09:02:40.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007961)  
So, ano nangyari doon sa pondo na yun?

**[09:02:42.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007962)  
No?

**[09:02:43.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007963)  
Ano nangyari?

**[09:02:43.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007964)  
Yun yung sinatawag dito colloquially na ginawang source para sa mga insertions.

**[09:02:51.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007965)  
Tama po ba?

**[09:02:52.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007966)  
Am I correct in my analysis?

**[09:02:54.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007967)  
Madam sponsor?

**[09:02:57.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007968)  
The DEV cannot confirm.

**[09:03:00.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007969)  
The DEV cannot confirm.

**[09:03:03.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007970)  
Okay.

**[09:03:04.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007971)  
Well, I confirm.

**[09:03:07.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007972)  
And the data shows na ganun po ang nangyari.

**[09:03:10.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007973)  
Okay.

**[09:03:11.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007974)  
So, my specific concern is with regard to MPBF for 2027.

**[09:03:18.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007975)  
As you can see, the 2027 proposed is 55 billion.

**[09:03:22.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007976)  
A little over 55 billion.

**[09:03:24.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007977)  
Mamaya.

**[09:03:26.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007978)  
Wala yata yung...

**[09:03:27.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007979)  
Wala.

**[09:03:27.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007980)  
Wala pa yung DBM.

**[09:03:28.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007981)  
Babalik sila.

**[09:03:30.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007982)  
But isang tinututukan natin dito yung ano eh.

**[09:03:33.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007983)  
Ito ang paggagalingan ng pagpapataas sa pera.

**[09:03:39.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007984)  
Personal, economic relief allowance ng mga government employees.

**[09:03:44.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007985)  
Yan.

**[09:03:44.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007986)  
Lahat kayo rito, government employees.

**[09:03:46.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007987)  
Yung iba sa inyo, siguro mas malaki ang kita.

**[09:03:48.540] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007988)  
Baka hindi nyo masyadong nararamdaman to.

**[09:03:50.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007989)  
Pero yung pera, yan yung 2,000 pesos a month na allowance.

**[09:03:56.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007990)  
On top of the basic pay.

**[09:04:00.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007991)  
Okay.

**[09:04:00.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007992)  
Yung pera na yan, 2,000 na yung papuyan na set at 2,000 pesos a month.

**[09:04:08.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007993)  
Okay.

**[09:04:09.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007994)  
So, it's about time.

**[09:04:10.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007995)  
Yung subsistence allowance sa mga sundalo last year was practically tripled.

**[09:04:17.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007996)  
No?

**[09:04:20.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007997)  
It cost the government something like...

**[09:04:24.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007998)  
Baka na ba yun?

**[09:04:24.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-007999)  
20 plus billion nga tayo.

**[09:04:26.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008000)  
Parang ganun.

**[09:04:27.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008001)  
No?

**[09:04:28.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008002)  
Okay.

**[09:04:30.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008003)  
Paano naman yung mga civilian bureaucracy natin?

**[09:04:35.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008004)  
Okay.

**[09:04:36.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008005)  
So, it's about time.

**[09:04:39.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008006)  
Actually, mamaya sa DBM, papakonfirm natin.

**[09:04:42.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008007)  
Pero, yan ang paggagalingan nun.

**[09:04:45.340] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008008)  
Okay.

**[09:04:46.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008009)  
Yung dagdag sa pera.

**[09:04:47.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008010)  
A 1,000 peso increase in pera will require 24 billion.

**[09:04:55.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008011)  
Given...

**[09:04:56.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008012)  
2 million national government employees.

**[09:05:02.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008013)  
Okay.

**[09:05:03.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008014)  
So, 24 billion.

**[09:05:06.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008015)  
So, kung 2,000 dadagdag, 48 billion.

**[09:05:09.360] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008016)  
55 billion yan.

**[09:05:11.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008017)  
Ang point ko lang, again, tatanong ko to sa Committee on Appropriations at sa DepDEP na rin.

**[09:05:17.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008018)  
No?

**[09:05:18.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008019)  
Di ba favorable yan para sa mga kamuni?

**[09:05:21.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008020)  
Gagalawin ba yung MPDF?

**[09:05:24.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008021)  
Gagawin na naman bang source yan?

**[09:05:26.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008022)  
Katulad nung ginawa noon, natatapya siya ng malaki.

**[09:05:32.060] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008023)  
At tuloy, hindi na mabibigay sa government employees.

**[09:05:34.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008024)  
Yun po yung tanong.

**[09:05:37.760] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008025)  
Please answer.

**[09:05:39.860] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008026)  
The DepDEP cannot confirm.

**[09:05:41.200] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008027)  
Okay.

**[09:05:41.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008028)  
The DepDEP cannot confirm.

**[09:05:43.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008029)  
Thank you.

**[09:05:45.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008030)  
Okay.

**[09:05:47.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008031)  
Ngayon, next slide.

**[09:05:49.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008032)  
Ano nga ba yung...

**[09:05:52.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008033)  
Okay.

**[09:05:56.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008060)  
Okay.

**[09:05:59.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008061)  
Well, so yun po ang mga...

**[09:06:01.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008062)  
Let me at this point.

**[09:06:03.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008063)  
Some of my questions will be more properly addressed to DBM.

**[09:06:10.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008064)  
So, pero yun po ang nirace natin.

**[09:06:17.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008065)  
Nandito na si chair ng Committee on Appropriations.

**[09:06:21.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008066)  
Ang mga nirace ko po na tanong ay...

**[09:06:26.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008067)  
Okay.

**[09:06:27.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008068)  
Ano nga ba yung...

**[09:06:28.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008069)  
Mga tanong ko.

**[09:06:29.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008070)  
Mga tanong ko ay una, will the Committee on Operations and will this Congress entertain

**[09:06:46.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008071)  
major amendments to the infrastructure budget?

**[09:06:56.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008077)  
So, ibig sabihin, mga dagdag sa whether it's flood control or roads, bridges,

**[09:07:02.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008078)  
multi-purpose buildings, and so on.

**[09:07:06.280] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008079)  
Will we see major changes in the General Appropriations Bill?

**[09:07:11.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008080)  
So, yun yung isang tanong.

**[09:07:13.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008081)  
Pangalawa, gagawin bang source?

**[09:07:17.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008082)  
Kung yes, if yes, gagamitin bang source yung Foreign Assisted Project?

**[09:07:24.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008083)  
Particular DOTR as well as Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund.

**[09:07:32.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008084)  
Na historically yun ang mga pangunahing pinagkukunan ng source to fund.

**[09:07:40.620] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008085)  
Of course, ang sinasabi natin dito, huwag nyo na gawin yun.

**[09:07:45.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008086)  
In the case of DOTR, Foreign Assisted Project, sabi natin, actually there are constitutional and legal issues

**[09:07:52.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008087)  
that should...

**[09:07:54.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008088)  
prohibit that.

**[09:07:56.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008089)  
Hindi pwedeng i-maintain mo yung ceiling kung tinanggal mo yung source.

**[09:08:02.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008090)  
Diba?

**[09:08:03.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008091)  
Okay.

**[09:08:04.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008092)  
And as to Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund, especially this year,

**[09:08:10.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008093)  
ang panawagan natin sa Kongreso, huwag po gagalawin yan.

**[09:08:16.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008094)  
It's lower than in previous years and yung mga government employees po natin,

**[09:08:23.860] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008095)  
ay matagalawin.

**[09:08:24.740] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008096)  
Dahil na pong nag-iintay ng increase sa kanilang pera,

**[09:08:29.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008097)  
personal economic relief allowance, at yan ang panggagalingan yan.

**[09:08:33.380] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008098)  
So, hands off, please. Do not touch.

**[09:08:36.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008099)  
Parang yun po ang mensahe natin dito.

**[09:08:38.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008100)  
Okay? Hanggang doon na lang po muna.

**[09:08:41.260] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-008101)  
Maraming salamat po, Madam Speaker.

**[09:08:46.140] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008102)  
Majority Leader.

**[09:08:49.180] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-008103)  
Madam Speaker, may we recognize the Honorable Eli San Fernando?

**[09:08:54.740] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-008104)  
Of Kamanggagawa Party-list for his interpellation.

**[09:08:58.960] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008105)  
Representative Eli San Fernando is now recognized for his interpellation.

**[09:09:18.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008106)  
Maraming salamat po, Madam Speaker.

**[09:09:21.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008107)  
Magandang gabi po sa ating kagalang-galang na sponsor.

**[09:09:24.740] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008108)  
Noong September 7,

**[09:09:34.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008109)  
pinirmahan po ng National Capital Region Regional Wage Board

**[09:09:38.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008110)  
ang Wage Order No. 28.

**[09:09:42.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008111)  
Signing on behalf of DEFDEV was ASEC Tolentino.

**[09:09:49.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008112)  
Bahagi ng proseso sa wage determination

**[09:09:52.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008113)  
ang public consultation.

**[09:09:54.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008114)  
Madam Sponsor,

**[09:09:57.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008115)  
Madam Speaker.

**[09:09:59.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008116)  
Nandoon po ba ang DEFDEV sa public consultation?

**[09:10:04.660] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008117)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[09:10:06.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008118)  
Kinukonfirm po ng DEFDEV, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:10:10.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008119)  
na nandoon po ang DEFDEV sa ginanap na public consultation.

**[09:10:16.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008120)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, with the indulgence of this honorable chamber,

**[09:10:22.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008121)  
nagsisinungaling po harap-harapan.

**[09:10:24.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008122)  
ang DEV-DEV.

**[09:10:29.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008123)  
Wala pong public consultation na naganap, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:10:34.180] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008124)  
September 2, 2026.

**[09:10:37.260] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008125)  
I was there, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:10:40.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008126)  
together with labor representatives,

**[09:10:42.580] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008127)  
and we were questioning the nature of that meeting.

**[09:10:49.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008128)  
Wala pong naganap na public consultation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:10:53.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008129)  
dahil patagupo na inilunsad ng Regional Wage Board National Capital Region

**[09:11:02.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008130)  
ang meeting na iyon.

**[09:11:05.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008131)  
And the labor representatives, this representation included,

**[09:11:08.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008132)  
was actually questioning the nature of that meeting.

**[09:11:14.260] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008133)  
In fact, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:11:17.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008134)  
the Regional Director of National Capital Region, DOLE,

**[09:11:21.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008135)  
said verbatim,

**[09:11:23.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008136)  
pinupulsuhan lang namin ang mga manggagawa.

**[09:11:29.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008137)  
Not even in the agenda, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:11:33.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008138)  
na nakalagay ang wage determination.

**[09:11:37.180] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008139)  
So again, my question to the Honorable Sponsor,

**[09:11:44.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008140)  
meron po bang naganap na public consultation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

**[09:11:50.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008141)  
Madam Speaker, there was a public hearing.

**[09:11:53.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008142)  
So a public hearing.

**[09:11:57.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008143)  
Tama po ba, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

**[09:12:02.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008144)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[09:12:04.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008145)  
So there was a public hearing on wage determination.

**[09:12:10.260] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008146)  
Let it be put on record, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:12:13.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008147)  
that the DEF-DEF affirms that there was a public hearing

**[09:12:18.920] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008148)  
which was conducted by the Regional Wage Board NCR

**[09:12:23.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008149)  
Unto which, DepDev is a member na nagkaroon daw po ng public hearing noong araw na yon, September 2, 2026.

**[09:12:33.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008150)  
Meron po bang minutes of the meeting na available at hawak ngayon ang DepDev being a member of the Regional Wage Board National Capital Region?

**[09:12:45.400] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008151)  
As of the moment, Madam Speaker, there are no on-hand documents of the minutes of the hearing.

**[09:12:51.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008152)  
Wala pong on-hand na dokumento.

**[09:12:54.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008153)  
Pero mapoproduce po ba ng DepDev, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, that specific minutes of the meeting wherein nakasulat po sa katitikan ng meeting na yan na nagkaroon ng public consultation, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor?

**[09:13:11.780] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008154)  
Madam Speaker, the DepDev can ask the Wage Board for a copy of the hearing.

**[09:13:18.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008155)  
So when can we have the copy of the minutes of the meeting, Madam Sponsor?

**[09:13:21.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008156)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, because it is important. We are talking about 1.1 million minimum wage earners, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:13:31.880] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008157)  
The DepDev will request for a copy of the minutes of the meeting.

**[09:13:35.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008158)  
Will there be a timeline as to when the minutes of the meeting of that particular public hearing will be produced or will be submitted to this chamber, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor?

**[09:13:45.560] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008159)  
I will request it now.

**[09:13:51.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008160)  
I will request as right now, this very moment.

**[09:13:56.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008161)  
Thank you, Madam Sponsor. Maraming salamat, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:13:59.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008162)  
So this representation, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, stands firm that the labor representatives were there and we were actually questioning the nature of that particular meeting.

**[09:14:11.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008163)  
Second question, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:14:15.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008164)  
Sa proseso po ng wage determination, kapag may wage order na, dapat pagtibayin

**[09:14:21.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008165)  
ng National Wages and Productivity Commission.

**[09:14:26.580] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008166)  
Yung anumang wage order na ilalabas, DepDev serves as an ex-official vice chair of the National Wages and Productivity Commission.

**[09:14:37.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008167)  
My question is very straightforward. Nagkaroon ba ng NWPC meeting to affirm wage order number 28?

**[09:14:46.900] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008168)  
Yes, Madam Speaker. As per the DepDev.

**[09:14:51.800] Floor Leader** (asr-008169)  
Majority Leader, Madam Speaker, I move to suspend.

**[09:14:58.180] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008170)  
Session is suspended for a few minutes. Session is resumed.

**[09:15:08.200] Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos** (asr-008171)  
Madam Speaker, the majority would just like to make a quick manifestation.

**[09:15:12.000] Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos** (asr-008172)  
As previously discussed with members of the minority, some are willing to address both DEP, DEV, and DBM in the interest of expediency,

**[09:15:22.720] Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos** (asr-008173)  
as Pong Eli San Fernando has earlier signified.

**[09:15:27.680] Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos** (asr-008174)  
So we would also like to recognize the presence of DBM Secretary Kim and his staff in order to answer those questions along with DEP.

**[09:15:38.280] Rep. Ferdinand Alexander A. Marcos** (asr-008175)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[09:15:39.840] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008176)  
This is noted. Majority Leader, we may proceed.

**[09:15:45.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008177)  
Thank you, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:15:47.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008178)  
If I may just repeat my question.

**[09:15:51.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008179)  
Sa proseso ng wage determination, kapag merong wage order, dapat pagtibayin

**[09:15:57.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008180)  
ng National Wages and Productivity Commission.

**[09:16:00.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008181)  
Ngayon, DEP-DEV serves as an ex-official vice chair of NWPC.

**[09:16:05.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008182)  
The question is, nagkaroon ba ng NWPC meeting to affirm wage order number 28?

**[09:16:12.320] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008183)  
Yes, Madam Speaker.

**[09:16:14.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008184)  
When was this meeting held, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

**[09:16:19.220] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008185)  
The 11th of September, 2026, Madam Speaker.

**[09:16:21.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008186)  
11th of September.

**[09:16:23.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008187)  
Maganda po na sinabi yan ng ating butihing sponsor.

**[09:16:26.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008188)  
Dahil po sa una,

**[09:16:27.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008189)  
nang inilabas po ng National Wages and Productivity Commission,

**[09:16:32.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008190)  
nandun din po ang kinatawang ito.

**[09:16:36.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008191)  
Wala pong naganap na NWPC meeting sa Manila Hotel,

**[09:16:42.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008192)  
nandyan po si Yusik Edelion,

**[09:16:44.060] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008193)  
kung saan siya po dapat ang uupo doon bilang kinatawan ng NWPC meeting.

**[09:16:49.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008194)  
So, ibig sabihin po ba nito?

**[09:16:52.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008195)  
Talagang tinatago ng NWPC meeting ang pulong kung saan pinagtitibay

**[09:16:57.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008196)  
ang sahod ng mga manggagawa.

**[09:17:08.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008197)  
Madam Speaker, the DepDev confirms that there was a meeting held on the 11th of September, 2026.

**[09:17:15.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008198)  
Kinukumpirma po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:17:18.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008199)  
ng DepDev na may naganap na meeting noong September 11.

**[09:17:23.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008200)  
Maaari po bang malaman ang kinatawang ito?

**[09:17:26.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008201)  
Anong oras at saan?

**[09:17:27.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008202)  
Saan ginanap ang meeting ng NWPC dated September 11, 2026?

**[09:17:38.520] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008203)  
Madam Speaker, this said meeting was transpired at Manila Hotel around 1pm.

**[09:17:46.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008204)  
As for the DepDev?

**[09:17:48.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008205)  
Parang hindi po sigurado, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, ang DepDev.

**[09:17:53.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008206)  
Nagkaroon po ng meeting September 11.

**[09:17:57.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008207)  
Manila Hotel para pagtibayin yung wage order number 28.

**[09:18:03.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008208)  
A day after ng supposedly meeting ng NWPC para pagtibayin yung wage order 28.

**[09:18:11.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008209)  
So, my question is, deliberately ba tinatago ng NWPC ang usapin ng sahod ng mga manggagawa?

**[09:18:48.600] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008212)  
Madam Speaker, that's not the intention of the DepDev.

**[09:18:52.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008213)  
That's not the intention.

**[09:18:54.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008214)  
But it was the result, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:18:57.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008215)  
Itinago ng NWPC kung saan miyembro ang DepDev yung pag-uusap tungkol sa sahod ng mga minimum wage earners.

**[09:19:09.300] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008216)  
We are not just talking about 1, 2, 3 minimum wage earners.

**[09:19:13.940] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008217)  
We are talking about 1.1 million minimum wage earners in NCR.

**[09:19:21.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008218)  
So, would the DepDev clarify this, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

**[09:19:27.520] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008219)  
Madam Speaker, the DepDev also cites that there were labor representatives and employee representatives present at the meeting.

**[09:19:38.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008220)  
There were labor representatives and employee representatives at the said NWPC meeting.

**[09:19:45.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008221)  
The question is, is NWPC deliberately hiding the said meeting?

**[09:19:53.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008222)  
The question is, is NWPC deliberately hiding the said meeting?

**[09:19:57.520] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008223)  
But at least on the part of DepDev, Madam Speaker, the board, well, we can only speak for the representative of DepDev.

**[09:20:06.880] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008224)  
And that is not the intention of the DepDev in attending that meeting.

**[09:20:11.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008225)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, kaya ako po binabanggit ito.

**[09:20:15.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008226)  
Una, nandun po ang kinatawang ito sa supposedly public consultation na ina-affirm ng DepDev na nangyari daw.

**[09:20:23.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008227)  
And I am proving them wrong, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:20:27.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008228)  
There was no public consultation.

**[09:20:30.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008229)  
Nanggaling na mismo yan sa bibig ng regional director ng DOLE-NCR.

**[09:20:35.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008230)  
And we will question him sa proper time.

**[09:20:38.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008231)  
Second, sinasabi ngayon ng DepDev na nagkaroon daw ng NWPC meeting a day after nung supposed or original na schedule ng NWPC meeting.

**[09:20:50.980] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008232)  
Same hotel, Manila Hotel, itinago sa mga manggagawa.

**[09:20:55.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008233)  
At sinasabi na hindi naman intensyon ng DepDev na itago yung pag-uusap tungkol sa sahod ng mga manggagawa.

**[09:21:03.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008234)  
But it was the result, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:21:06.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008235)  
I will not belabor the point on that, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:21:10.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008236)  
Maganda po na nabanggit na dito sa bulwagang ito.

**[09:21:14.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008237)  
Rule 4, Section 5 of the Omnibus Rules on Minimum Wage Determination.

**[09:21:18.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008238)  
As amended by NWPC Resolution No. 5, Series of 2013.

**[09:21:25.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008239)  
It provides, and I quote,

**[09:21:30.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008240)  
Should the Board find urgent and reasonable grounds to commence the Minimum Wage Determination process

**[09:21:38.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008241)  
earlier than 60 days prior to the anniversary date of the current wage order,

**[09:21:44.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008242)  
it shall submit a written recommendation and justification for this purpose to the Commission

**[09:21:51.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008243)  
for the latter's consideration and approval within five working days.

**[09:21:55.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008244)  
Once approved by the Commission, the Board may initiate the Minimum Wage Determination process.

**[09:22:04.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008245)  
End of quote.

**[09:22:05.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008246)  
Question.

**[09:22:07.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008247)  
Nagkaroon po ba ng sapat na justification para maglabas ng panibagong wage order?

**[09:22:14.180] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008248)  
Wage order No. 27 was effective July 25 of this year.

**[09:22:19.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008249)  
And surprisingly, nabiglat, nagulat ang lahat.

**[09:22:25.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008250)  
May panibago ng wage order.

**[09:22:29.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008251)  
Yung wage order No. 28.

**[09:22:31.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008252)  
What was the justification of the Commission and the Regional Wage Board?

**[09:22:36.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008253)  
As approved by the NWPC wherein?

**[09:22:39.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008254)  
Depdev is a member.

**[09:22:40.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008255)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:22:48.240] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008256)  
Madam Speaker, this representation is in receipt of a new document.

**[09:22:55.300] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008261)  
To correct, the meeting was held on September 10.

**[09:23:00.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008262)  
September 10 po yung?

**[09:23:02.120] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008263)  
Meeting. The NWPC meeting in Manila Hotel.

**[09:23:06.380] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008264)  
And the NWPC meeting.

**[09:23:08.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008265)  
Yes.

**[09:23:08.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008266)  
What time was it?

**[09:23:10.840] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008267)  
Well, at least on the document, it says 1pm.

**[09:23:13.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008268)  
1 p.m., Madam?

**[09:23:16.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008269)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, niloloko po ang kinatawang ito at ang bulwagang ito.

**[09:23:23.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008270)  
I was there 1pm until 5pm.

**[09:23:28.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008271)  
Kami nagbukas, kami rin ang nagsara.

**[09:23:30.920] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008272)  
Umuwi na nga yung mga sekretaryat ng Regional Wage Board.

**[09:23:36.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008273)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, deliberately niloloko ng dep-dep.

**[09:23:41.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008274)  
Ang mga mambabatas.

**[09:23:52.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008275)  
Nandun po ako.

**[09:23:53.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008276)  
Madam Speaker, ito po, picture o.

**[09:23:55.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008277)  
Yan.

**[09:23:56.940] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008278)  
Nandun ako sa pangalan ni Sekretary Tolentino.

**[09:24:05.260] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008279)  
Madam Speaker, at least on this document, it says that the meeting was held in, well, 10 September 2020, 6 at 1pm at the DAO?

**[09:24:16.000] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008280)  
DAO?

**[09:24:16.660] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008281)  
DAO!

**[09:24:17.760] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008282)  
Meeting Room.

**[09:24:19.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008283)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, nandoon po ako sa DAO!

**[09:24:23.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008284)  
In fact, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, inantay namin hanggang gabi.

**[09:24:32.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008285)  
Inuwian na lang kami ng sekretaryat ng Regional Wage Board.

**[09:24:37.060] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008286)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker, naiintindihan ko po kung may confusion sa bahagi ng dep-dep,

**[09:24:44.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008287)  
but someone from the Regional Wage Board NCR is not telling the truth.

**[09:24:51.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008288)  
Now, how can we?

**[09:24:53.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008289)  
How can we justify yung budget na hinihingi o pinopropose ng dep-dep kung sa simpleng usapin ng sahot ng mga manggagawa,

**[09:25:03.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008290)  
hindi masagot ng deretsahan at ng totohanan ang mga manggagawa?

**[09:25:08.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008291)  
We demand a clarification, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, from the Department of Economy, Planning and Development.

**[09:25:16.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008292)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:25:22.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008296)  
Thank you.

**[09:26:03.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008298)  
Madam Speaker, just to expound also, the representative of DepDev is saying that there was a change in venue.

**[09:26:15.420] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008299)  
Unfortunately, the name of the meeting room, it's an unofficial correspondence.

**[09:26:22.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008300)  
It's the U. However, the recollection is muddy in terms of what particular meeting room they actually went to.

**[09:26:32.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008301)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, I cannot believe this, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:26:38.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008302)  
Hindi maalala kung saan sila nag-meeting.

**[09:26:44.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008303)  
Yung Manila room, nakalagay dun mismo anong room.

**[09:26:48.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008304)  
Makikita, mababasa.

**[09:26:50.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008305)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:26:52.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008306)  
Meron pong nagsisinungaling at nanluloko sa mga manggagawa, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:27:04.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008307)  
Adjacent, Madam Sponsor, adjacent o katabi nung the room, wala rin pong mga nag-me-meeting.

**[09:27:11.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008308)  
We know for a fact, because we were there, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:27:42.500] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008310)  
Well, Madam Speaker, we understand the concern. Definitely, we share the same concern of the Honorable San Fernando. If it would be beneficial, I think the best course of action, at least at this point in time, there is a list of people who supposedly attended the meeting. We can just give you the list of people

**[09:28:22.440] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008311)  
and we can confirm if the meeting actually took place.

**[09:28:27.900] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008312)  
I personally, this representation will help the Honorable San Fernando confirm this also.

**[09:28:32.940] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008313)  
Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:28:36.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008314)  
Mahalaga po na napag-uusapan natin ang bagay na ito, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:28:44.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008315)  
Dahil meron pong hindi malinaw sa proseso ng pagtatakda ng meeting.

**[09:28:52.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008316)  
Minimum wage at may kalituhang nangyayari na idinulot ng Wage Order 28 at ng Wage Order 27.

**[09:29:01.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008317)  
And it is surprising, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, na pati ang DepDev who sits as the ex-official vice chair of NWPC,

**[09:29:13.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008318)  
mukha po silang clueless.

**[09:29:16.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008319)  
Pero kung binabanggit po ng butihing sponsor na magpoprovide ng mga dokumentasyon,

**[09:29:22.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008320)  
na nagpapakita na merong naganap na pulong, gusto pong makita ng representasyong yan.

**[09:29:29.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008321)  
At maraming salamat po sa sponsor na tinitiyak na magkakaroon tayo ng kopya ng nasabing pulong.

**[09:29:38.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008322)  
But let it be put on record, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:29:42.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008323)  
na kahit po ang DepDev ay lito at hindi alam ang mga espesipikong detalye

**[09:29:48.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008324)  
ng pagtitibay ng Wage Order 28,

**[09:29:52.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008325)  
na bahagi ng kanilang responsibilidad at ng kanilang mandato.

**[09:29:58.060] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008326)  
This is unacceptable.

**[09:30:00.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008327)  
Proper time, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, kapag sumalang na po ang Department of Labor and Employment,

**[09:30:06.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008328)  
sisingilin po natin ang kagawaran na yun, batay sa record at sinasabi ng DepDev ngayon sa deliberasyong ito.

**[09:30:15.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008329)  
Susunod po, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:30:19.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008330)  
Sabi po ng Wage Order No. 28 kung saan pumirma ulit ang DepDev.

**[09:30:25.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008331)  
Sabi po, Wage Order No. 27 never took effect.

**[09:30:33.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008332)  
Ano pong kalukuhan ito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor?

**[09:30:37.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008333)  
Is it the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect?

**[09:30:45.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008334)  
Kasi pumirma po sila, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:30:55.100] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008335)  
Madam Speaker, as for the DepDev, the reason for the non-implementation of Wage Order No. 27 is because

**[09:31:09.920] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008336)  
apparently there was a TRO that was issued the day before the meeting took place.

**[09:31:15.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008337)  
So, non-implementation is different from the wording of Wage Order No. 28 which specifically say,

**[09:31:25.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008338)  
Wage Order No. 27 never took effect.

**[09:31:30.260] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008339)  
What does that mean in popular parlance?

**[09:31:33.040] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008340)  
Ang ibig sabihin po niyan, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor, sinasabi ng Regional Wage Board

**[09:31:37.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008341)  
na hindi naman nangyari yung dagdag sahod na P85.

**[09:31:42.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008342)  
Never took effect. Hindi nangyari.

**[09:31:46.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008343)  
But it was the Secretary of the Department of Labor and Employment who announced it as historic wage increase.

**[09:31:54.300] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008344)  
Now, my friends...

**[09:31:55.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008345)  
The question again is, is it the position of the DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect?

**[09:32:13.240] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008346)  
Madam Speaker, on the part of DepDev, apparently this was a collegial decision.

**[09:32:18.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008347)  
It was a collegial, but they signed. DepDev signed. So, it is the position.

**[09:32:23.040] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008348)  
It's answerable by yes or no.

**[09:32:24.260] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008349)  
Okay lang kung...

**[09:32:25.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008350)  
Yun ang position ng DepDev, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:32:27.140] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008351)  
In the function of that, yes, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:32:28.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008352)  
Yes. So, it is the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect.

**[09:32:35.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008353)  
Chapter 3, Section 4, IRR of RA 6727.

**[09:32:41.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008354)  
15 days upon the publication of any wage order, that wage order shall take effect.

**[09:32:49.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008355)  
Question.

**[09:32:50.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008356)  
Na-publish ba yung Wage Order No. 27?

**[09:32:52.940] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008357)  
The answer is yes.

**[09:32:55.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008358)  
Na-isa publiko ba?

**[09:32:56.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008359)  
The answer is yes.

**[09:32:58.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008360)  
Thirdly, na-i-announce ba ng mismong kalihim ng DOLE?

**[09:33:01.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008361)  
The answer is yes.

**[09:33:03.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008362)  
Why is it the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect?

**[09:33:15.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008363)  
Never took [unclear].

**[09:33:16.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008365)  
The problem is, nagcirculate [unclear].

**[09:33:38.480] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008368)  
Madam Speaker, on the part of DepDev, it's really the TRO.

**[09:33:43.060] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008369)  
Apparently, there was a declaration also of the status quo ante.

**[09:33:47.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008370)  
So, it's because of the TRO.

**[09:33:49.920] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008371)  
Yes. Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:33:51.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008372)  
if I may remind, DepDev,

**[09:33:55.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008373)  
there was an order coming from Pasig RTC Branch 152.

**[09:34:00.380] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008374)  
And the order explicitly say,

**[09:34:04.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008375)  
let a preliminary injunction be issued upon putting up a bond of 10 billion pesos.

**[09:34:13.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008376)  
In the previous DOLE budget consideration in the committee,

**[09:34:18.040] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008377)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:34:19.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008378)  
it was the Department of Labor and Employment Secretary himself who said,

**[09:34:24.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008379)  
he doesn't know.

**[09:34:25.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008380)  
Meaning, walang nalagay na bond.

**[09:34:28.620] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008381)  
So, if there is no bond, then there is no injunction.

**[09:34:33.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008382)  
The rules of court is very specific about this.

**[09:34:38.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008383)  
Now, without a bond, walang preliminary injunction.

**[09:34:42.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008384)  
Indispensable requirement ng preliminary injunction ang bond.

**[09:34:48.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008385)  
Ngayon, wala pong nailagak na bond.

**[09:34:50.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008386)  
Therefore, there is no injunction.

**[09:34:51.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008387)  
If there is no injunction,

**[09:34:53.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008388)  
it is the position of the office,

**[09:34:55.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008389)  
the office of the Solicitor General,

**[09:34:56.980] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008390)  
abogado ng gobyerno,

**[09:34:58.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008391)  
na sinasabi nila,

**[09:35:00.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008392)  
there is no legal impediment in enforcing Wage Order No. 27.

**[09:35:06.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008393)  
The question again is,

**[09:35:08.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008394)  
even if that is very clear sa ating mga batas,

**[09:35:13.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008395)  
why is it the position of DepDev to say that Wage Order No. 27 never took effect?

**[09:35:25.020] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008396)  
Madam Speaker, again, just on the part of DepDev,

**[09:35:30.060] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008397)  
it was a collegial decision.

**[09:35:32.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008398)  
Thank you, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:35:36.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008399)  
Ang punto ko po, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:35:41.380] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008400)  
sa dinami-rami ko pong binanggit ng mga puntos,

**[09:35:44.980] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008401)  
mismong DepDev na bahagi ng NWPC

**[09:35:47.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008402)  
ay lito, una, sa mga tunay na nangyari at naganap

**[09:35:52.500] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008403)  
leading to the issuance of Wage Order No. 27.

**[09:35:55.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008404)  
Mas nalito pa tayo lahat dahil may existing Wage Order No. 27

**[09:36:00.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008405)  
at naglabas ng panibagong Wage Order No. 28

**[09:36:03.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008406)  
kahit labag ito sa rules mismo ng NWPC.

**[09:36:07.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008407)  
Second point, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:36:10.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008408)  
hindi nagkaroon ng public consultation.

**[09:36:13.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008409)  
Third point, hindi rin nagkaroon ng meeting ang NWPC

**[09:36:17.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008410)  
para pagtibayin yung Wage Order No. 28.

**[09:36:21.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008411)  
Pero binabanggit kanina, nagkaroon daw ng pulong,

**[09:36:23.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008412)  
pero hindi rin nilaman.

**[09:36:25.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008413)  
Malaman o matandaan saan sila nagpulong,

**[09:36:27.520] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008414)  
anong oras sila nagpulong, at merong kalituhan.

**[09:36:30.540] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008415)  
So, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:36:32.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008416)  
mas nagbibigay ito ng maraming tanong kaysa kalinawan.

**[09:36:37.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008417)  
Kaya ako po binibigyang din ito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:36:41.300] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008418)  
malinaw po kasi na merong wage rollback na nangyari.

**[09:36:45.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008419)  
Wage Order No. 27, total wage increase amounts to P85.

**[09:36:51.180] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008420)  
P60 of which, the first tranche,

**[09:36:55.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008421)  
effective na since July 25.

**[09:36:58.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008422)  
That means, kapag in-implement yung Wage Order No. 27,

**[09:37:02.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008423)  
may retroactive pay ang mga manggagawang minimum wage earner

**[09:37:06.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008424)  
ng P60 starting July 25.

**[09:37:10.580] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008425)  
So, pumapatak ang metro, mahigit P3,000 na ang naaagaw mula sa mga manggagawa.

**[09:37:16.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008426)  
Hindi po simpleng halaga yan.

**[09:37:18.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008427)  
Malaking tulong yan para sa mga manggagawa, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:37:21.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008428)  
Ngayon, sa halip na tindigan,

**[09:37:25.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008429)  
ng NWPC, ng DOLE, kung ano yung kanyang mandato,

**[09:37:29.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008430)  
dahil iginawad yan ng Kongreso sa visa ng RA 6727,

**[09:37:35.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008431)  
nakikita po natin na parang isinasantabi o isinusuko

**[09:37:39.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008432)  
ng NWPC mismo kung saan pahagi ang DepDev,

**[09:37:44.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008433)  
yung kanyang responsibilidad at trabaho

**[09:37:46.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008434)  
bilang merong exclusive jurisdiction on wage determination.

**[09:37:55.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008435)  
Yun po ang punto dito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:37:58.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008436)  
Mas malaking problema, because of Wage Order No. 28,

**[09:38:02.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008437)  
wala nang aasahan na retroactive pay yung mga manggagawa

**[09:38:06.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008438)  
unless otherwise clarified and cleared by the court.

**[09:38:11.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008439)  
Ang problema pa dito, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:38:14.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008440)  
because of Wage Order No. 28,

**[09:38:16.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008441)  
na wala na yung dagdag na P25 sa mga minimum wage earners

**[09:38:20.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008442)  
na dapat matanggap nila Enero 2027.

**[09:38:23.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008443)  
And it will produce another question.

**[09:38:28.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008444)  
Kung ang posisyon ng NWPC ay para magkaroon ng inovasyon

**[09:38:32.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008445)  
maibigay na sa mga manggagawa, yung P60,

**[09:38:35.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008446)  
ibig sabihin ba magkakaroon ng Wage Order No. 29?

**[09:38:40.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008447)  
Na magsasabi, magdagdag tayo ng panibagong P25

**[09:38:44.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008448)  
para sa mga minimum wage earners.

**[09:38:47.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008449)  
E di-veniolate na, nilabag na ng NWPC

**[09:38:51.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008450)  
yung kanyang sariling rules.

**[09:38:53.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008451)  
Naglabas ng dalawang wage order sa isang taon

**[09:38:57.380] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008452)  
at ngayon may question kung maglalabas ulit ng panibagong wage order.

**[09:39:01.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008453)  
Yun po ang punto dito, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:39:05.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008454)  
Mismong mga regional wage boards, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:39:09.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008455)  
ay hindi sumusunod sa mga proseso ng batas

**[09:39:12.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008456)  
na ginawa para itakda yung minimum wage natatanggap ng mga manggagawa

**[09:39:19.020] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008457)  
at yan po yung dahilan.

**[09:39:20.140] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008458)  
Mga manggagawa na tayo,

**[09:39:22.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008459)  
una, hindi nang-responsive,

**[09:39:23.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008460)  
sa pangangailangan ng mga manggagawa.

**[09:39:26.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008461)  
Ikalawa, nilalabag pa mismo ng mga ahensa ng gobyerno

**[09:39:30.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008462)  
kung ano nakasulat sa batas.

**[09:39:32.580] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008463)  
Kung hindi nasusunod ang batas,

**[09:39:34.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008464)  
logical lang na dapat reviewhin o repasuhin ang batas.

**[09:39:39.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008465)  
Ngayon po, kung nakikita natin na may kaguluhan na nagaganap

**[09:39:43.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008466)  
dito sa wage setting determination natin

**[09:39:46.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008467)  
as enshrined in RA 6727,

**[09:39:49.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008468)  
nakakapagtaka po, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker,

**[09:39:52.340] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008469)  
that the position,

**[09:39:53.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008470)  
of the Secretary of Dep-Def,

**[09:39:57.240] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008471)  
sabi po ay,

**[09:39:58.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008472)  
legislating a minimum wage

**[09:40:00.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008473)  
is not the right thing to do.

**[09:40:04.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008474)  
Papaano pong bibigyang matwid ng Dep-Def

**[09:40:07.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008475)  
na hindi tama ang pagle-legislate

**[09:40:10.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008476)  
ng minimum wage

**[09:40:12.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008477)  
kung nakikita na natin ngayon

**[09:40:14.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008478)  
na malaki ang problema sa mga regional wage boards?

**[09:40:18.280] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008479)  
If we're going back to our history,

**[09:40:21.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008480)  
bakit nagkaroon ng RA 6727

**[09:40:23.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008483)  
pinoproteksyonan niya yung wage setting mechanism?

**[09:40:27.880] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008484)  
Sabi nung mga nagtulak niyan,

**[09:40:29.420] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008485)  
kailangan ma-insulate natin,

**[09:40:32.560] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008486)  
mailayo natin mula sa awayan sa politika

**[09:40:35.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008487)  
o pamumulitika

**[09:40:36.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008488)  
o pangingi-alam ng korte

**[09:40:39.380] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008489)  
yung wage setting determination natin.

**[09:40:42.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008490)  
That was in 1989.

**[09:40:45.100] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008491)  
Ngayon, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:40:48.960] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008492)  
nakikita na natin lahat ng kinatatakutan

**[09:40:51.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008493)  
ng mga gumawa ng batas noong 1989.

**[09:40:53.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008494)  
ngayon, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:40:54.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008495)  
na ang niyayari na ngayon.

**[09:40:57.760] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008496)  
Pinanghimasukan ng korte

**[09:40:59.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008497)  
yung tungkol sa sahod

**[09:41:01.360] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008498)  
at ikalawa, nilalabag na mismo ng gobyerno

**[09:41:04.660] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008499)  
kung ano ang nakasulat sa batas

**[09:41:06.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008500)  
na iginawad ng kongresong ito

**[09:41:08.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008501)  
papunta doon sa National Wages and Productivity Commission.

**[09:41:12.840] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008502)  
And what we're going to hear

**[09:41:14.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008503)  
from Secretary Balisakan and Dep-Dev

**[09:41:17.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008504)  
is that legislating a minimum wage

**[09:41:19.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008505)  
is not the right thing to do.

**[09:41:22.440] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008506)  
Is it still the position of the government?

**[09:41:23.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008508)  
Is it still the position of Dep-Dev

**[09:41:24.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008509)  
na hindi po magkaroon ng legislated wage increase

**[09:41:28.640] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008510)  
or any review on RA 6727

**[09:41:33.720] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008511)  
which determines and defines wage-setting mechanism?

**[09:41:39.400] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008512)  
Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker.

**[09:41:42.100] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008513)  
The Chair would like to remind Representative San Fernando

**[09:41:45.240] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008514)  
that his time has expired.

**[09:41:47.460] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008515)  
Please answer, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:41:50.340] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008516)  
Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker.

**[09:41:51.420] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008517)  
At least on the part of Dep-Dev,

**[09:41:53.800] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008518)  
the Dep-Dev will just adhere to what the law says

**[09:41:57.500] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008519)  
with regards to wages

**[09:42:00.820] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008520)  
and determination of wages.

**[09:42:04.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008521)  
The Dep-Dev will just...

**[09:42:06.200] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008522)  
Can you repeat that, Madam Sponsor, Madam Speaker?

**[09:42:09.220] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008523)  
It would adhere to what the law prescribed

**[09:42:12.400] Rep. Bella Vanessa B. Suansing** (asr-008524)  
with regards to determination of wages.

**[09:42:15.460] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008525)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:42:17.820] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008526)  
as much as I would like to believe that,

**[09:42:20.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008527)  
alam niyo po, kanina ko pa po pinaulit-ulit,

**[09:42:23.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008528)  
mga batas na po mismo na dapat nilang sundin,

**[09:42:26.600] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008529)  
hindi nila ginagawa.

**[09:42:28.700] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008530)  
Mga batas na nakasulat sa ating...

**[09:42:31.320] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008531)  
na iginawad sa kanila ng kongresyong ito,

**[09:42:34.120] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008532)  
hindi nila ginagawa.

**[09:42:35.480] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008533)  
Tapos sasabihin nila sa atin ngayon,

**[09:42:37.040] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008534)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor,

**[09:42:39.000] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008535)  
gagalangin nila kung ano nakasulat sa batas.

**[09:42:41.500] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008536)  
Ano ba namang clashing Dep-Dev yan?

**[09:42:43.500] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008537)  
Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:42:46.000] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008538)  
Thank you, Representative San Fernando.

**[09:42:47.780] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008539)  
So alam ko po, time's up na po ako, Madam Speaker, Madam Sponsor.

**[09:42:50.800] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008540)  
Maraming salamat po.

**[09:42:51.680] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008541)  
At least nabigyan po ng kalinawan,

**[09:42:54.220] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008542)  
ang representasyong ito,

**[09:42:55.900] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008543)  
at sa lahat po ng mga manggagawang minimum wage earner

**[09:42:58.860] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008544)  
sa NCR at sa buong Pilipinas,

**[09:43:01.580] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008545)  
ito po ang mga economic managers natin.

**[09:43:04.080] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008546)  
Puro kalituhan ang ginagawa sa mga manggagawang.

**[09:43:06.260] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008547)  
Majority Leader.

**[09:43:07.160] Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando** (asr-008548)  
Salamat po.

**[09:43:09.900] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-008549)  
Madam Speaker, may we recognize

**[09:43:11.620] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-008550)  
the Honorable Sarah Jane Elago

**[09:43:13.680] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-008551)  
of the Gabriela Women's Party List

**[09:43:16.020] Rep. Antonino B. Roman III** (asr-008552)  
for her interpellation.

**[09:43:18.040] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008553)  
Representative Sarah Jane Elago

**[09:43:19.780] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008554)  
of Gabriela Party List

**[09:43:20.920] Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez** (asr-008555)  
is now recognized for her interpellation.

**[09:43:23.800] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-008556)  
Maraming salamat, Madam Speaker.

**[09:43:28.420] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-008557)  
Isang ayon kay...