# House Committee on Appropriations: DOJ Part 2 - August 24, 2026

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqtXECkcdis

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**[00:00:00.460] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000001)  
Arelma and the Swiss accounts, they were the subject of summary judgments po ng Sandiganbayan.

**[00:00:09.320] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000002)  
So, na-recover na ho iyan.

**[00:00:11.540] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000003)  
And then, as to the other assets po, they became the subject of compromise agreements,

**[00:00:18.220] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000004)  
whereby these assets were surrendered to the government.

**[00:00:23.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000005)  
Surrendered by whom?

**[00:00:25.057] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000006)  
Surrendered po.

**[00:00:26.000] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000007)  
Iyong mga, those who were, uh, perhaps standing as dummies, they surrendered the, the assets po.

**[00:00:32.759] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000008)  
So, marami na po tayong recoveries diyan.

**[00:00:35.520] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000009)  
And some of these properties were recovered in other cases po.

**[00:00:39.468] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000010)  
Okay. Some but not all.

**[00:00:41.820] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000011)  
Well, there are still assets, but, uh, when we investigated po, ano eh, wala na po talagang—for example po, there were corporations listed in that case.

**[00:00:55.640] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000012)  
But then, these corporations turned out to be unregistered or non-operational na po,

**[00:01:01.304] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000013)  
and then we don't have anymore the witnesses.

**[00:01:03.980] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000014)  
So, we had to be candid with the court, uh, by stating that we are no longer presenting evidence po.

**[00:01:11.682] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000015)  
Ah, so, Chair, maaari po bang makahingi sa PCGG ng parang pinaka-report on, uh, the recovered hidden wealth,

**[00:01:25.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000016)  
ah, especially, ah, iyong mga pinakahuli na nabanggit ninyo?

**[00:01:29.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000018)  
At mayroon ba tayong imbentaryo?

**[00:01:31.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000019)  
Ano ba talaga iyong buong tina-target natin?

**[00:01:35.440] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000020)  
Opo.

**[00:01:36.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000021)  
At ano iyong na-recover na natin at ano iyong hindi pa natin nare-recover?

**[00:01:40.580] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000022)  
Mayroon po tayong imbentaryo niyan.

**[00:01:43.080] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000023)  
Uh, mayroon din tayong imbentaryo ng current cases po.

**[00:01:46.462] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000024)  
Okay.

**[00:01:47.140] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000025)  
Ah, about, uh, 67 cases po iyan which are pending in the appellate courts.

**[00:01:53.180] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000026)  
Ang halaga po niyan,

**[00:01:54.700] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000027)  
mga more than 70

**[00:01:55.640] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000028)  
billion pa ho.

**[00:01:56.900] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000029)  
More than ₱70 billion?

**[00:01:58.561] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000030)  
Oo.

**[00:01:59.000] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000031)  
Ang abogado po namin eh ang OSG po.

**[00:02:01.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000032)  
Okay.

**[00:02:02.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000033)  
So, ₱70 billion pa ang tina-target natin na mabawi na ill-gotten wealth ng pamilyang Marcos.

**[00:02:12.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000034)  
Tama po?

**[00:02:12.989] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000035)  
Opo.

**[00:02:13.917] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000036)  
Tama po.

**[00:02:14.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000037)  
At ang PCGG po ay, ah, ano po ba kayo? Attached agency to the—

**[00:02:22.860] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000038)  
Attached agency po kami sa Department of Justice.

**[00:02:25.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000039)  
Okay.

**[00:02:27.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000040)  
Kayo po, appointee po kayo?

**[00:02:30.185] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000041)  
Opo.

**[00:02:30.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000042)  
Sino ang nag-appoint sa inyo?

**[00:02:32.140] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000043)  
Si President Marcos po.

**[00:02:33.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000044)  
Si President Marcos din.

**[00:02:35.460] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000045)  
Okay.

**[00:02:36.400] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000046)  
So, well, just your—gusto ko lang po marinig:

**[00:02:43.080] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000047)  
Hindi po ba awkward sa inyo?

**[00:02:46.240] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000048)  
Awkward po, pero trabaho po iyan.

**[00:02:50.570] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000049)  
Okay.

**[00:02:51.025] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000050)  
But then, to the credit of the President

**[00:02:54.460] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000051)  
and the family,

**[00:02:55.640] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000052)  
we never, uh, uh, were pressured on anything po.

**[00:03:00.480] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000053)  
We have been performing our duty independently.

**[00:03:05.220] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000054)  
So, wala pong undue influence on us.

**[00:03:08.221] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000055)  
Okay.

**[00:03:09.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000056)  
Ah, well, so, ang malinaw po, may tina-target pa kayo na ₱70 billion worth of ill-gotten wealth.

**[00:03:19.940] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000057)  
Opo.

**[00:03:20.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000058)  
Ah, at may mga pending cases ang mga iyan.

**[00:03:23.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000059)  
Tama po ba?

**[00:03:24.353] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000060)  
Opo.

**[00:03:24.910] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000061)  
Okay.

**[00:03:25.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000062)  
Kaya narito kayo ngayon para humingi ng budget para matuloy ninyo pa iyong laban na iyon.

**[00:03:33.220] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000063)  
Tama po ba?

**[00:03:34.073] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000064)  
Tama po.

**[00:03:34.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000067)  
Okay.

**[00:03:35.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000068)  
At, ah, kasi noon, may mga proposal po na i-abolish na raw ang PCGG,

**[00:03:43.020] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000069)  
no?

**[00:03:43.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000070)  
Tapos na raw ang, ang, you know, ang mandato ninyo o wala nang mare-recover.

**[00:03:49.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000071)  
Sumasang-ayon ba kayo doon?

**[00:03:51.560] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000072)  
Ah, kami po eh sang-ayon na ma-abolish iyong PCGG,

**[00:03:54.700] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000073)  
but in its place, mayroon po sanang maitatayong new agency that will take over the mandate of the PCGG, but expanded mandate po.

**[00:04:05.700] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000074)  
Kasi ang mandate po ngayon ng PCGG is napaka-limited po eh.

**[00:04:09.440] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000075)  
It's just the Marcos ill-gotten wealth.

**[00:04:12.059] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000076)  
Tama po.

**[00:04:13.180] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000077)  
Uh, but then, we want it to be expanded so that, uh, the mandate will be applied to all public officials who have unlawfully acquired assets.

**[00:04:22.589] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000078)  
Okay.

**[00:04:23.163] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000079)  
Yes.

**[00:04:23.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000080)  
Ah, so, halimbawa,

**[00:04:24.700] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000081)  
Ibig ninyong sabihin iyong mga tipong flood control, ganoon?

**[00:04:28.242] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000082)  
Opo.

**[00:04:29.140] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000083)  
Ang, ang puwede pong gawin diyan is just to file civil forfeiture cases under RA 1379 po.

**[00:04:37.560] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000084)  
Kasi under that law eh nakalagay po doon na any public official who has assets that are manifestly out of proportion to his salary and other legitimate sources of income,

**[00:04:51.500] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000085)  
there is already a presumption po na ill-gotten iyan.

**[00:04:54.700] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000086)  
And so, the burden of proof shifts to the public official to explain how he was able to amass so much assets, given na this is only salary.

**[00:05:06.140] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000087)  
Kaya nga po mapapansin ninyo, iyong, iyong decision po ng Sandiganbayan doon sa Swiss accounts po tsaka Arelma, summary judgment po iyon.

**[00:05:14.880] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000088)  
In other words, it's just based on the pleadings.

**[00:05:19.560] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000090)  
Mahirap ho kasi ang criminal case

**[00:05:21.440] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000091)  
kasi, ang unang-una po, ang quantum of evidence

**[00:05:24.700] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000092)  
is proof beyond reasonable doubt,

**[00:05:27.080] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000093)  
and you have to establish iyong, iyong paper trail to show na iyong asset na iyan came from government funds.

**[00:05:35.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000094)  
Could you just explain further ano iyong ibig sabihin ng summary judgment?

**[00:05:39.421] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000095)  
Opo.

**[00:05:40.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000096)  
By foreign courts?

**[00:05:42.104] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000097)  
Dito po.

**[00:05:42.695] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000098)  
By local courts.

**[00:05:43.720] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000099)  
Sandiganbayan po ang nag-render ng summary judgment.

**[00:05:46.840] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000100)  
Ah, okay.

**[00:05:47.560] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000101)  
Iyong pong isang summary judgment na iyan, opo, kasama iyong Arelma.

**[00:05:52.100] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000102)  
Ah, the Philippine government filed a petition for forfeiture—ay, for enforcement of foreign judgment po sa New York.

**[00:06:02.040] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000103)  
Eh nanalo po tayo diyan.

**[00:06:03.680] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000104)  
There was an appeal.

**[00:06:05.080] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000105)  
Recently eh lumabas na po iyong decision.

**[00:06:07.700] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000106)  
We won the appeal po.

**[00:06:09.440] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000107)  
So, we are just waiting for the action of the U.S. Supreme Court if they will still, uh, affirm the decision of the Court of Appeals po ng, ano, ng New York.

**[00:06:20.275] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000108)  
Okay.

**[00:06:20.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000109)  
Well, Chair,

**[00:06:22.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000110)  
Ah, nagpapasalamat po ako sa chair ng PCGG.

**[00:06:28.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000111)  
We, we look forward doon sa report, no, iyong kabuuang summary ng mga efforts na ginagawa ng komisyon para ituloy ang laban para bawiin ang ill-gotten wealth ng pamilyang Marcos.

**[00:06:44.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000112)  
So, ang sinasabi po rito, may ₱70 billion pa.

**[00:06:48.940] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000113)  
₱70 billion na kailangang bawiin.

**[00:06:52.100] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000114)  
So, we look forward to that report, Mr. Chair,

**[00:06:56.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000115)  
thank you.

**[00:06:57.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-000116)  
Thank you, po.

**[00:06:57.940] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000117)  
Thank you, po.

**[00:06:58.640] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000118)  
Ah, Cong. Tony Tinio?

**[00:07:11.890] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000119)  
Okay.

**[00:07:12.550] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000120)  
May we recognize Chair Mika Suansing for her manifestation.

**[00:07:24.738] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000121)  
Thank you, Vice Chair Mike.

**[00:07:26.560] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000122)  
Thank you for presiding over today's deliberation on the budget of the Department of Justice.

**[00:07:33.879] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000123)  
Thank you.

**[00:07:35.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000125)  
Iniwan ko po kayo, Sec, kay Vice Chair Mike Tan because you're in very...

**[00:07:39.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000126)  
You're in very good hands with him and he did so well today in facilitating all the discussions.

**[00:07:44.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000127)  
Thank you so much, Vice Chair Mike Tan.

**[00:07:47.039] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000128)  
So, I just wanted to, po, wrap up essentially everything that was discussed today.

**[00:07:52.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000129)  
I think it all boils down to the budgetary requirements of the DOJ.

**[00:07:57.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000130)  
I was looking through your slides, Sec, and very clear naman that in terms of MOOE, in terms of capital outlay,

**[00:08:07.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000131)  
ang laki ng binagsak ng budget.

**[00:08:09.639] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000132)  
ng DOJ.

**[00:08:11.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000133)  
I'm looking at the agency-wise allocations.

**[00:08:22.599] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000134)  
The one that stands out to me is Bureau of Immigration.

**[00:08:26.039] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000135)  
Malaki po talaga yung nawala sa Bureau of Immigration.

**[00:08:29.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000136)  
It's not just the capital outlay, the locally funded project, kasi yun po yata yung ICT.

**[00:08:35.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000137)  
But even the GASS.

**[00:08:38.599] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000139)  
Malaki talaga yung binagsak.

**[00:08:40.159] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000140)  
May I know, po?

**[00:08:42.719] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000141)  
Which...

**[00:08:43.279] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000142)  
Specific components of the GASS were reduced.

**[00:08:47.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000143)  
May I have a better idea of what we would need to restore, if ever?

**[00:08:50.680] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000144)  
Yes, po, Your Honor.

**[00:08:52.080] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000145)  
Magandang gabi po, Your Honor.

**[00:08:55.440] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000146)  
Yung pong sa maintenance and other operating expenses, or MOOE, tinanggalan po kami ng 673,476,000.

**[00:09:07.200] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000147)  
Ito po ang breakdown nun.

**[00:09:08.519] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000148)  
Additional provision for a drug-free workplace initiative.

**[00:09:12.279] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000149)  
In the amount of...

**[00:09:13.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000150)  
3,403,000.

**[00:09:15.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000151)  
Additional MOOE for EXPATS.

**[00:09:17.959] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000152)  
Yan po yung aming expanded alien registration system.

**[00:09:21.360] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000153)  
Umiikot po yung mga tao po namin sa buong Pilipinas para mag-alien mapping.

**[00:09:26.200] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000154)  
Tinanggalan po kami ng budget para doon ng 18,871,000.

**[00:09:31.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000155)  
And then, yun din pong MOOE for locally funded projects for the development, enhancement, and procurement of IT systems and infrastructures.

**[00:09:40.360] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000156)  
Ang amount po niyan is 651,202,000.

**[00:09:44.519] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000157)  
Pagdating naman po, Your Honor, sa capital outlay, tinanggalan rin po kami ng 1,227,811,000.

**[00:09:58.320] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000158)  
Representing yung pong capital outlay for locally funded projects for the development, enhancement, and procurement of IT systems and infrastructures.

**[00:10:07.760] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000159)  
Yan po yung sa aming main office and sa support offices po namin over the Philippines.

**[00:10:12.120] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000160)  
Ang amount po diyan na tinanggal is 951,531,000.

**[00:10:19.360] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000161)  
And last po, tinanggalan din po kami para sa post-construction ng aming bagong BI building in the amount of 276,280,000.

**[00:10:31.800] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000162)  
Dati po kasi ma'am, hindi po namin ma-request ito kasi ang sabi po ng DBM, hindi pa po kami nakakalipat sa building.

**[00:10:40.200] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000163)  
Ngayon po, nakalipat na po kami recently.

**[00:10:43.839] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000164)  
So, pero po kailangan po namin ng additional funding

**[00:10:46.920] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000165)  
Para po sa post-construction, Your Honor.

**[00:10:54.427] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000166)  
Kom, I'd have to coordinate with you po because, like for example, just the Bureau of Immigration alone, that's a very substantive amount that would need to be restored if ever.

**[00:11:09.639] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000167)  
So, given the limited fiscal space, we'd really have to prioritize which items we would need.

**[00:11:17.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000168)  
So, in the Bureau of Immigration...

**[00:11:18.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000169)  
In the Bureau of Immigration alone, we're looking at over 1.1, 1.2 billion, kasi nabanggit niyo po, IT system pa lang, 1 plus billion na po.

**[00:11:31.639] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000170)  
So, siguro po, Kom, with SEC, kasi it's going to be one, essentially one list coming from DOJ.

**[00:11:41.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000171)  
So, when Sec gives the list to me for items for consideration,

**[00:11:48.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000172)  
ipa-prioritize na natin siya, Sec, among the different attached agencies within the DOJ.

**[00:11:56.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000173)  
So, we'll have to look through that later on.

**[00:11:58.754] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000174)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[00:11:59.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000175)  
We'll gladly submit that wish list with the corresponding order of prioritization.

**[00:12:04.680] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000176)  
And we will do the proper consultation with the various agencies here.

**[00:12:09.487] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000177)  
Yes, po.

**[00:12:10.079] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000178)  
Kasi usually po, di ba, I really ask for the help of the head of the agency to essentially rationalize all the requests from the different agencies.

**[00:12:20.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000179)  
So, thank you, Kom, for enlightening us.

**[00:12:24.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000180)  
Actually, as I was looking through the NEP, like, stand out sa akin yung over 1 billion reduction sa Bureau of Immigration alone.

**[00:12:31.920] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000181)  
And then now that I'm looking through the presentation of the Department of Justice as a whole,

**[00:12:38.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000182)  
mas nakita ko na it's not just one agency that experienced that.

**[00:12:43.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000183)  
It's actually across the board.

**[00:12:46.279] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000184)  
So, next po, we have...

**[00:12:48.519] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000185)  
Sorry, po.

**[00:12:49.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000186)  
Medyo himayin ko lang siya, so I know where to focus.

**[00:12:54.680] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000187)  
Under the law enforcement program, siguro po, dito ako nagulat because a lot of the items that are considered priorities at the moment received a substantial cut.

**[00:13:09.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000188)  
For example po, anti-trafficking in persons enforcement, that got a 41% decrease.

**[00:13:16.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000189)  
And ito talagang nagulat ako because this is a LEDAC measure.

**[00:13:19.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000190)  
We even amended the OSAEC law.

**[00:13:23.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000191)  
OSAEC got a 59% decrease.

**[00:13:25.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000192)  
So, yun po siguro, i-consider natin siguro, Sek, yun.

**[00:13:30.385] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000193)  
We will put them in the priority.

**[00:13:32.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000194)  
Thank you, po.

**[00:13:35.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000195)  
What else?

**[00:13:38.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000196)  
For the corrections program, over half cut from the victims' compensation services.

**[00:13:48.399] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000197)  
For the NBI?

**[00:13:49.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000198)  
Okay.

**[00:13:52.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000199)  
Director Melvin, nakita ko yung sa NBI, yung cut.

**[00:13:55.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000200)  
Sobrang laki din po for general administration support services.

**[00:14:00.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000201)  
42% yung nawala po.

**[00:14:03.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000202)  
So, may you just enlighten me as to what items were cut within the GASS.

**[00:14:10.399] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000203)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[00:14:12.079] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000204)  
There are six items na we want sana na ma-address yung mabalik, but there are a lot na tanggal.

**[00:14:19.000] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000205)  
Yung isa po, number one, yung priority ko is sana we increase the hazard pay

**[00:14:22.959] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000207)  
of our agents, only the agents, from 4,000 to 15,000.

**[00:14:27.759] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000208)  
Medyo hindi na po kami at par with other law enforcement.

**[00:14:31.399] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000209)  
So, we've been transferring agents from one province to another, and it's very difficult

**[00:14:36.920] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000210)  
for them to cope up with the transfer.

**[00:14:40.639] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000211)  
So, nahihirapan po kami na mag-ikot.

**[00:14:42.360] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000212)  
Number two, we are doing now an operation, so about 200 to 220 average operations per month.

**[00:14:51.480] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000213)  
Ito po yung mga kasama.

**[00:14:52.560] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000214)  
Kasama na po diyan yung mga [unclear].

**[00:14:54.240] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000215)  
Lahat na po, financial scams, cybercrimes, and everything.

**[00:14:58.680] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000216)  
So, right now, we are...

**[00:14:59.079] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000217)  
Right now, we are asking for the increase; we're spending so much for the COPLAN.

**[00:15:04.880] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000218)  
If you will just—yung pong COPLAN na tinatawag—when we do the operations,

**[00:15:09.880] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000219)  
nandoon po lahat yung data na kailangan, including the expenses.

**[00:15:13.839] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000220)  
Normally, we are averaging the expenses nasa minimum 100.

**[00:15:17.759] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000221)  
So if you put to 100 po yung sa co-plan namin, averaging at 200 to 220,

**[00:15:23.079] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000222)  
mga 44 billion a month na po yung kailangan namin dyan to continue what we've been doing.

**[00:15:29.959] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000223)  
At meron po kaming upgrade sana ng equipment, yung pong sa mga drones na kailangan namin bilhin,

**[00:15:37.160] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000224)  
and other issues that we want to address in order for us also to address yung administrative capability namin.

**[00:15:43.519] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000225)  
We want to do yung pong ISO namin, gusto rin namin sanang gawin doon.

**[00:15:49.680] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000226)  
And another is purchase of additional vehicles,

**[00:15:52.639] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000227)  
which is very critical in our operations.

**[00:15:56.120] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000228)  
A lot of our vehicles right now are marked or red plate po.

**[00:15:59.800] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000229)  
So we cannot do the operations using the marked vehicles,

**[00:16:03.600] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000230)  
kasi darating pa lang po kami, sasabihin, ‘Andiyan yung mga NBI, may gagawin.’

**[00:16:07.680] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000231)  
So those are the things po na kinat po sa amin, medyo marami po talaga.

**[00:16:13.319] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000232)  
We recognize yung sa budget utilization on the previous year,

**[00:16:17.720] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000233)  
and we have plugged it down, and if we look at the mandate given by the Congress,

**[00:16:22.000] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000234)  
na nag-expand po yung aming

**[00:16:23.480] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000235)  
investigative power,

**[00:16:24.880] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000236)  
which we have to cope up, especially in the issues po of cybercrime.

**[00:16:29.240] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000237)  
About 8 out of 10 crimes, related na po yung cyber, 80%.

**[00:16:34.079] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000238)  
So yan po yung isa namin gusto sanang ma-address.

**[00:16:37.199] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000239)  
Right now, we are sharing the tools that CICC have,

**[00:16:42.600] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000240)  
pero sana po meron din kami capability.

**[00:16:45.079] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000241)  
So siguro may mga Congs po na very concerned in their district to address also those crimes.

**[00:16:52.360] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000242)  
We are looking forward to put up cybercrime laboratories sana sa mga regions.

**[00:16:58.079] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000243)  
And those things po, those are all law enforcement tools and equipment that we need

**[00:17:05.240] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000244)  
para po medyo makahabol.

**[00:17:06.559] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000245)  
Kasama na po dyan yung issue ng shooting sa Ateneo de Zamboanga and also sa Tacloban.

**[00:17:14.559] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000246)  
Meron po kaming mga continuous monitoring that we need the support po of the Committee on Appropriations

**[00:17:20.839] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000247)  
to address these concerns po.

**[00:17:22.799] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000248)  
Salamat po.

**[00:17:23.682] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000249)  
Thank you, Director Melvin.

**[00:17:25.160] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000250)  
Actually, you were talking about anti-cybercrime.

**[00:17:28.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000251)  
And nakita ko, hindi ko pa lang po nabanggit kanina,

**[00:17:31.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000252)  
aside from anti-trafficking in persons enforcement and OSAEC,

**[00:17:36.559] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000253)  
yung anti-cybercrime pala sobrang laki ng binagsak, 71%.

**[00:17:41.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000254)  
Across the board, looking at the corrections program,

**[00:17:45.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000255)  
half from the victims' compensation,

**[00:17:48.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000256)  
looking at the legal services program,

**[00:17:51.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000257)  
15% from the...

**[00:17:53.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000258)  
refugee and stateless persons protection unit.

**[00:17:56.679] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000259)  
Sa BuCor, natanggalan din po sa GASS, 13%.

**[00:18:02.159] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000260)  
Sa immigration, we've discussed that already.

**[00:18:06.320] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000261)  
LRA, nabawasan din yung GASS by 12%.

**[00:18:11.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000262)  
OGCC, nabawasan din yung GASS.

**[00:18:15.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000263)  
So across the board talaga yung general administration and support services.

**[00:18:20.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000264)  
And then for OSG,

**[00:18:22.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000265)  
operations got cut by 8%.

**[00:18:27.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000266)  
PPA, 36% din sa GASS.

**[00:18:31.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000267)  
And PCGG, 64%, less RLIP and special account.

**[00:18:38.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000268)  
So across the board,

**[00:18:41.039] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000269)  
it's very helpful that you were able to segment it in this manner,

**[00:18:44.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000270)  
kasi at least nakikita namin na each agency talaga,

**[00:18:49.480] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000271)  
even OADR, GASS din and operations,

**[00:18:52.679] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000273)  
So we're able to see the cuts across the board within the DOJ.

**[00:18:58.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000274)  
So SEC, we'll work together po with Vice Chair Mike Tan

**[00:19:04.039] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000275)  
in terms of prioritizing the items for consideration in restoration.

**[00:19:09.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000276)  
Because as you know po, here in the Committee on Appropriations,

**[00:19:13.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000277)  
one of the important reforms that we've done

**[00:19:15.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000278)  
was we now have the Budget Amendments Review Subcommittee,

**[00:19:18.919] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000279)  
which deliberates on,

**[00:19:22.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000280)  
and discusses line by line,

**[00:19:24.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000281)  
all the amendments that we would incorporate into the GAB.

**[00:19:28.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000282)  
And those amendments po would come from the request,

**[00:19:33.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000283)  
the institutional amendments request emanating from the agencies.

**[00:19:37.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000284)  
So hihingi po sana kami ng tulong ninyo,

**[00:19:42.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000285)  
all the heads of agencies and all of our officials po in the DOJ,

**[00:19:48.960] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000286)  
please help us po, please guide us,

**[00:19:51.159] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000287)  
so that,

**[00:19:51.880] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000288)  
when we do prioritize items for restoration,

**[00:19:56.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000289)  
at least po, it's in line with the priorities of the agencies.

**[00:19:59.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000290)  
Sayang naman po kung malagyan namin ng pondo yung isang bagay,

**[00:20:02.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000291)  
na hindi naman talaga yun yung priority ng ahensya.

**[00:20:05.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000292)  
So in this, in this, ano po, in this process,

**[00:20:09.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000293)  
let's partner po.

**[00:20:10.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000294)  
So we would best allocate and optimize the utilization of resources,

**[00:20:17.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000295)  
given our very limited fiscal space.

**[00:20:20.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000296)  
So SEC, sorry po.

**[00:20:21.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000297)  
Magse-set lang ako ng

**[00:20:23.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000298)  
kung kaya po sana,

**[00:20:25.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000299)  
if you can send us within the week,

**[00:20:29.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000300)  
best po if you can send it ASAP,

**[00:20:31.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000301)  
just so we're able to consolidate everything before the deliberation of the BARC.

**[00:20:37.039] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000302)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[00:20:37.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000303)  
We will comply.

**[00:20:38.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000304)  
We will comply and definitely submit a comprehensive listing

**[00:20:42.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000305)  
with the appropriate prioritization per agency.

**[00:20:46.942] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000306)  
And then I'll also defer to Vice Chair Mike,

**[00:20:52.200] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000307)  
if in case there's like back and forth before we finalize the prioritized list.

**[00:20:58.720] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000308)  
Yun lang.

**[00:20:59.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000309)  
I think yun po, that's the most important,

**[00:21:02.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000310)  
my most important role in this hearing,

**[00:21:05.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000311)  
which is to make sure that we're able to best identify the items that would require restoration.

**[00:21:13.039] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000312)  
So on our part po, best effort.

**[00:21:16.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000313)  
But again, we all recognize that we have limited fiscal space.

**[00:21:20.559] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000314)  
But we'll make sure po that we're able to allocate resources in the most optimized manner.

**[00:21:26.600] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000315)  
Thank you.

**[00:21:27.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000316)  
Thank you.

**[00:21:27.559] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000317)  
Thank you SEC.

**[00:21:28.159] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000318)  
Thank you to the officials po of the DOJ. Ay, sorry po.

**[00:21:34.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000319)  
And lastly po, lastly po,

**[00:21:37.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000320)  
we recognize the great work that the DOJ and all the attached agencies have been doing,

**[00:21:43.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000321)  
especially from the law enforcement side.

**[00:21:48.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000322)  
And ano po,

**[00:21:49.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000323)  
we want to recognize that by also equipping you

**[00:21:51.640] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000324)  
with the resources that you need

**[00:21:53.440] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000325)  
to be able to perform your mandates better.

**[00:21:56.679] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000326)  
So we're your partners po.

**[00:21:59.360] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000327)  
Alam niyo naman po 'yan.

**[00:22:00.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000328)  
We're always in support of all the projects and programs that you are,

**[00:22:06.799] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000329)  
and all the good that you are doing for our country.

**[00:22:09.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000330)  
So I just wanted to take this opportunity.

**[00:22:11.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-000331)  
Maraming maraming salamat po for all the great work that you're doing.

**[00:22:18.080] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000332)  
Thank you, Chair Mika.

**[00:22:20.560] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000333)  
Uh, may we solicit a motion to terminate

**[00:22:23.240] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000334)  
the budget briefing of the DOJ and its attached agencies?

**[00:22:28.120] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-000335)  
Madam Chair, I move to terminate today's—

**[00:22:33.440] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-000336)  
I move that we suspend the committee proceedings

**[00:22:35.600] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-000337)  
and resume tomorrow, August 25, 2026 at 9 a.m.

**[00:22:39.360] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-000338)  
So I so move, Madam Chair.

**[00:22:42.920] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000339)  
Ah, there is a motion.

**[00:22:43.880] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000340)  
Duly seconded.

**[00:22:45.520] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000341)  
The— for the Andaya Hall,

**[00:22:50.000] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000342)  
the committee proceedings are now suspended

**[00:22:52.240] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000343)  
and will resume tomorrow, August 25, 2026.

**[00:22:55.600] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000344)  
at 9 a.m.