WEBVTT asr-000041 00:19:23.360 --> 00:19:29.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The entire energy, DOE attached agencies and corporations, welcome. asr-000042 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:59.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: As you all know, we had our extensive briefing two days ago, and most of your heads have been meeting with my staff as well. So today, our agenda is obviously the proposed budget for 2027 in the NEP. I know some of you, or all of you, have some kind of presentation. Whether you have visual aids, I leave that up to you. We start with DOE Office of the asr-000043 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:29.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: secretary and then ERC and then the NEA NPC Philippine National Oil Company um PNOC Exploration Corporation National Transmission Corporation and PSALM so given our limited capacity I think we also have resource persons online. Tama ba? In case but they won't be presenting right? They're just they're just there if we need some additional information. Um asr-000044 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:59.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and uh when some of our colleagues start arriving, I will I would like us to continue with the presentation so we don't disrupt the flow and then uh I'll open the floor to questions later on. Um for your information I discussed with the Senate President who's the former chairman of the committee on energy uh that you have some amendments and I already asked for his support. um to so that we can um push for the amendments asr-000045 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:29.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that I think uh as an energy sector you all you all agree that we we should prioritize so I hope we can make it because he really wanted to attend. So before we proceed um I'd like to acknowledge and put on record some recent developments. We welcome the removal of the VAT on system loss because even when I was still chairman of the committee on energy, marami hong uh dumadaing dito. So alam ko medyo madugo yung process. So, but thank you asr-000046 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:59.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and congratulations for um making this happen. And then um we do have quite a few issues obviously the supply and I know the secretary will will bring that up. Syempre ang habol natin is energy security. Maybe maybe on a daytoday basis yung mga ordinary folks, ordinary moms out there, mga nanay, tatay na nila kayang isipin yun asr-000047 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:29.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yung energy ano natin security they rely on us to make sure that that energy security is in place pero yung effect kasi sa kanila as we all know supply and demand 'di ba? So kung konti supply natin ah nagtataas y'yung presyo. So 'yun naman 'yung talagang uh bottom line nung mga kababayan natin. And of course when we speak of security as I mentioned during the briefing, yung concern ko din talaga is yung ah reliable consistent supply sa lalo na sa mga probinsya na um alam pa rin natin na asr-000048 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:59.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: may mga whether it's planned or um intermittent brown outs eh ang goal talaga natin is 24/7 yung access nila sa kuryente. So we do want uh reliable supply we want transmission and distribution um to be in place. Okay. So I'll mention my other concerns later on as we go along but I think we can asr-000049 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:29.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: proceed. Um sana hindi to mahabaan masyado but um I need to remind everyone I'm very conscious of your health. You are free to stand up. Sitting is the new smoking. So you can stand up without my permission. You may go to the restroom without my permission. You can stand up and stretch. Um and please drink water. Um hindi yata kami magse-serve ng food dahil tapos na lunch. But you can eat. asr-000050 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:59.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Walang problema lahat yan sa akin. Okay? As long as you're available to answer the questions uh when you're called or if you had to step out, just tell your seatmate. You'll be back in 2 minutes. Not a problem. Um and then uh if the principals here need access to their support staff also not a problem pass the notes talk to your principals but if you need them to take the floor then I just need them to uh asr-000051 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:17.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: introduce themselves para ma-record natin kung sino yung nagsasalita. Okay, so we are ready to start. We start with you, Secretary. Secretary Garin, and then after that ERC, be ready, Attorney Juan. Okay, please proceed. asr-000051-split-2 00:24:17.800 --> 00:24:29.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, just for the brevity also, and because most of the companies we have here have their own budgets actually, so if you allow us, it will be just DOE that will report asr-000052 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:36.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and then you can ask questions if there are some clarifications needed. asr-000052-split-2 00:24:36.320 --> 00:24:59.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Better. We are doing that for most. And then they trust that you will bring to our attention their concerns naman, and our staff is still here even after the hearing if they want to provide more information. But that does make it simple because I also want to be sure if they are raising any concerns, dapat asr-000053 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:05.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: aware din kayo and aligned kayo. So mas okay din talaga sa akin yan. Thank you. asr-000053-split-2 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:14.970 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Thank you, Madam Chair. Usec Bacordo will be doing our presentation. Usec Bacordo, please. Usec, asr-000053-split-3 00:25:14.970 --> 00:25:16.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Usec. asr-000053-split-4 00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:29.980 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Gracious budget sponsor and chairperson of the subcommittee, Honorable Senator Pia Cayetano, honorable members of the Senate Committee on Finance, chiefs of the government energy family led by our asr-000054 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.080 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: hyperactive Secretary Sharon Garin. asr-000055 00:25:32.780 --> 00:25:34.360 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. asr-000056 00:25:35.100 --> 00:25:35.900 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Allow me to asr-000057 00:25:35.900 --> 00:25:37.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sir, pa ba na mas hyperactive siya sa akin? asr-000058 00:25:41.980 --> 00:25:44.540 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Allow me to present the Department of Energy's asr-000059 00:25:44.540 --> 00:25:46.400 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: major accomplishments along asr-000060 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.340 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with the proposed budget for fiscal year asr-000061 00:25:48.340 --> 00:25:50.420 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 2027 and plans and asr-000062 00:25:50.420 --> 00:25:51.820 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: programs for the budget year. asr-000063 00:25:52.560 --> 00:25:54.400 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Let me begin with the Department's asr-000064 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:55.300 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: major accomplishments. asr-000065 00:25:56.060 --> 00:25:57.520 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: In response to the energy asr-000066 00:25:57.520 --> 00:26:00.360 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: emergency caused by the Middle East asr-000067 00:26:00.360 --> 00:26:02.200 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: conflict, the DOE asr-000068 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.140 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in coordination with other asr-000069 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.300 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: agencies employed the whole of asr-000070 00:26:06.300 --> 00:26:08.180 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: government approach in securing fuel asr-000071 00:26:08.180 --> 00:26:10.520 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: supply, implementing staggered asr-000072 00:26:10.520 --> 00:26:12.720 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: fuel price adjustments, prescribing asr-000073 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.740 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the price adjustments for oil companies, asr-000074 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:16.760 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: fuel subsidy programs, asr-000075 00:26:17.380 --> 00:26:18.560 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: preventing hoarding and asr-000076 00:26:18.560 --> 00:26:20.400 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: profiteering, enforcing asr-000077 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.480 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: energy efficiency and conservation asr-000078 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.480 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: measures, and setting up asr-000079 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.300 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: support measures for the transport asr-000080 00:26:26.300 --> 00:26:27.280 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and agriculture asr-000081 00:26:27.280 --> 00:26:27.900 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: sectors. asr-000082 00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:30.360 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The country maintains an asr-000083 00:26:30.360 --> 00:26:32.320 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: average available supply of asr-000084 00:26:32.320 --> 00:26:33.080 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 50 days. asr-000085 00:26:34.040 --> 00:26:36.160 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Following the President's directive during asr-000086 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:37.720 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the 2025 SONA, asr-000087 00:26:38.320 --> 00:26:40.240 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the DOE with NEA and asr-000088 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:41.860 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: ERC restored asr-000089 00:26:41.860 --> 00:26:44.080 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 24-7 electricity service asr-000090 00:26:44.080 --> 00:26:46.400 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in Siquijor. The DOE asr-000091 00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:48.260 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: also acted decisively asr-000092 00:26:48.260 --> 00:26:49.900 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to address the prolonged asr-000093 00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:52.060 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: power interruptions in Catanduanes, asr-000094 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:53.840 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: working closely with asr-000095 00:26:53.840 --> 00:26:56.300 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: NPC, NEA, and FISELCO asr-000096 00:26:56.300 --> 00:26:57.260 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to restore asr-000097 00:26:57.280 --> 00:26:57.780 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: reliable asr-000098 00:26:57.780 --> 00:27:00.020 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: electricity service across asr-000099 00:27:00.020 --> 00:27:02.000 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the province. The Department asr-000100 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.680 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: has also been unwavering asr-000101 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:05.960 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in its disaster response efforts asr-000102 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.080 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to ensure power restoration asr-000103 00:27:08.080 --> 00:27:10.160 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and continuity of fuel supply asr-000104 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:11.800 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in affected areas. asr-000105 00:27:12.620 --> 00:27:13.840 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: On household electrification, asr-000106 00:27:14.620 --> 00:27:15.960 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: as of August 2026, asr-000107 00:27:17.280 --> 00:27:17.960 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the country's asr-000108 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:19.620 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: household electrification level asr-000109 00:27:19.620 --> 00:27:22.540 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: has reached 95.1% asr-000110 00:27:22.540 --> 00:27:23.880 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with around asr-000111 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:25.880 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 29.2 million households asr-000112 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:26.560 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: energized. asr-000113 00:27:27.280 --> 00:27:29.020 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Out of the 30.7 million asr-000114 00:27:29.020 --> 00:27:30.560 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: potential households, asr-000115 00:27:31.660 --> 00:27:33.220 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: our renewable energy asr-000116 00:27:33.220 --> 00:27:34.660 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: or RE share asr-000117 00:27:34.660 --> 00:27:36.460 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in the generation mix asr-000118 00:27:36.460 --> 00:27:38.560 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: increased to 25% asr-000119 00:27:38.560 --> 00:27:41.080 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in 2025, equivalent asr-000120 00:27:41.080 --> 00:27:43.240 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to 31.7 terawatt asr-000121 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:44.420 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: hours of generation. asr-000122 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.140 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Through the Green Energy Auction Program, asr-000123 00:27:47.620 --> 00:27:48.860 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we have already awarded asr-000124 00:27:48.860 --> 00:27:51.200 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 20.7 gigawatts asr-000125 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:52.460 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: of RE capacity asr-000126 00:27:52.460 --> 00:27:55.640 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with another 25 gigawatts asr-000127 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:56.960 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: planned for auction asr-000128 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.740 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: from 2027 to 2035. asr-000129 00:27:59.740 --> 00:28:01.700 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The RE sector asr-000130 00:28:01.700 --> 00:28:03.580 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: continues to be the leading asr-000131 00:28:03.580 --> 00:28:05.660 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: contributor to Green Lane investments asr-000132 00:28:05.660 --> 00:28:07.860 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with 187 endorsed asr-000133 00:28:07.860 --> 00:28:09.720 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: projects amounting to asr-000134 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.120 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 5.46 trillion asr-000135 00:28:12.120 --> 00:28:13.620 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: since 2023, asr-000136 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:15.980 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: accounting for 86% asr-000137 00:28:15.980 --> 00:28:17.860 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: of investments under the asr-000138 00:28:17.860 --> 00:28:19.880 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Board of Investments Green Lane asr-000139 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:21.980 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Program. From July asr-000140 00:28:21.980 --> 00:28:23.660 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 2022 to July asr-000141 00:28:23.660 --> 00:28:26.040 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 2026, the country's asr-000142 00:28:26.040 --> 00:28:26.940 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: power capacity asr-000143 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:28.040 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: continued to grow asr-000144 00:28:28.040 --> 00:28:30.520 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with installed capacity increasing asr-000145 00:28:30.520 --> 00:28:33.960 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: by 4,988 megawatts asr-000146 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:35.920 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: or an 18.4% asr-000147 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:36.540 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: increase asr-000148 00:28:36.540 --> 00:28:38.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: while dependable capacity asr-000149 00:28:38.600 --> 00:28:41.680 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: increased by 5,106 asr-000150 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:42.360 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: megawatts asr-000151 00:28:42.360 --> 00:28:44.480 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: or a 22.3% asr-000152 00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:46.800 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: increase. To further support asr-000153 00:28:46.800 --> 00:28:48.720 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the timely delivery of committed power asr-000154 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.460 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: projects and ensure asr-000155 00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:52.700 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: that capacity additions are brought asr-000156 00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:54.620 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: online as scheduled, the asr-000157 00:28:54.620 --> 00:28:56.860 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: DOE established task force asr-000158 00:28:56.860 --> 00:28:58.820 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 200 pursuant to asr-000159 00:28:58.820 --> 00:29:00.200 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the President's pronouncements asr-000160 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.500 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: during the 2025 SONA. asr-000161 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:04.960 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The task force closely asr-000162 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:06.640 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: monitors and facilitates the asr-000163 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:08.060 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: implementation of 200 asr-000164 00:29:08.060 --> 00:29:10.640 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: committed projects. To date, asr-000165 00:29:11.340 --> 00:29:12.840 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 51 power projects asr-000166 00:29:12.840 --> 00:29:14.620 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: are now completed and asr-000167 00:29:14.620 --> 00:29:15.920 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: commercially operational, asr-000168 00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:19.940 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: adding 1,864.6 asr-000169 00:29:19.940 --> 00:29:21.140 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: megawatts to the grid. asr-000170 00:29:22.060 --> 00:29:22.680 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: This includes asr-000171 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:24.300 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 12 BES projects asr-000172 00:29:24.300 --> 00:29:26.380 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with a combined capacity of asr-000173 00:29:26.860 --> 00:29:29.140 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 129.4 megawatts asr-000174 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:31.140 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: that support grid stability asr-000175 00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:33.340 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and frequency regulation. asr-000176 00:29:34.040 --> 00:29:35.500 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: In the upstream sector, asr-000177 00:29:35.500 --> 00:29:37.460 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the 14 petroleum asr-000178 00:29:37.460 --> 00:29:39.380 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: service contracts recently asr-000179 00:29:39.380 --> 00:29:41.400 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: signed by the President will asr-000180 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.680 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: generate $324 asr-000181 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:45.580 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: million potential asr-000182 00:29:45.580 --> 00:29:47.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: investments. The successful asr-000183 00:29:47.600 --> 00:29:48.920 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: drilling of Camago 3 asr-000184 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:51.420 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and Malampaya East 1 wells asr-000185 00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:53.720 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: under Service Contract 38 asr-000186 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:55.300 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: yielded estimated asr-000187 00:29:55.300 --> 00:29:56.500 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: reserves of 222 asr-000188 00:29:56.860 --> 00:29:58.900 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: billion cubic feet of asr-000189 00:29:58.900 --> 00:29:59.260 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: gas. asr-000190 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:08.640 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: extending operations to 2034, and providing enough fuel to power 13.1 million households for one year. asr-000191 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:13.440 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We now present the Department's proposed 2027 budget. asr-000192 00:30:14.380 --> 00:30:21.820 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The DOE's revenue collection for the national government have consistently exceeded its approved budget. asr-000193 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.940 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Collections were driven mainly by the Malampaya Gas Fund. asr-000194 00:30:25.940 --> 00:30:32.220 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Its decline, however, was offset by improved collections from RE sources. asr-000195 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:39.060 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For 2026, the total projected revenue collection is 6.06 billion. asr-000196 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:47.220 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For 2027, revenues are projected to reach 23 billion, mainly because of Malampaya Phase 4. asr-000197 00:30:48.060 --> 00:30:51.680 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: RE collections are also expected to continue increasing. asr-000198 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.680 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For fiscal year 2027… asr-000199 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:55.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sorry, before… Let's… asr-000200 00:30:55.940 --> 00:31:00.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Since there's no other senator, I'll just ask my quick questions. asr-000201 00:31:00.080 --> 00:31:09.380 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I think it's interesting to emphasize that the revenues of DOE are predominantly from Malampaya Gas Fund. asr-000202 00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:16.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then from 2026 to 2027, it's still very high, almost to the 2023 levels. asr-000203 00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:19.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then your others, what are they? asr-000204 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:22.260 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: What are your other sources? asr-000205 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.200 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Other like fee permits. asr-000206 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:25.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So basically… asr-000207 00:31:25.940 --> 00:31:27.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Basically, fee permits, no? asr-000208 00:31:27.560 --> 00:31:29.920 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So talagang ang laking bagay nung sa Malampaya. asr-000209 00:31:30.040 --> 00:31:33.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Of course, I have to say that because ako'y nag-sponsor niyan and pinaglaban natin niyan. asr-000210 00:31:34.280 --> 00:31:38.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And in fact, 2028 will likely go up because of the new discovery. asr-000211 00:31:39.040 --> 00:31:39.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay, that's good. asr-000212 00:31:39.940 --> 00:31:40.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000213 00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:43.020 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Next slide. asr-000214 00:31:43.020 --> 00:31:55.020 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For fiscal year 2027, the DOE's total proposed budget is 5.58 billion, reflecting an increase of 1.14 billion or 25.7%. asr-000215 00:31:55.940 --> 00:32:01.220 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Compared with fiscal year 2026 GA of 4.43 billion. asr-000216 00:32:01.220 --> 00:32:20.220 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: From 2022 to 2026, new appropriations generally maintained the largest share in the DOE's total budget, from 59.4 to 68.9%, versus automatic appropriations of about 31.1 to 40.6%. asr-000217 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:25.220 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: But for 2027, new appropriations decreased by ₱935 million. asr-000218 00:32:25.940 --> 00:32:36.780 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: And account for only 36.4% of the total recommended budget, while 63.6% comes from the SAGF. asr-000219 00:32:37.580 --> 00:32:50.740 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: In other words, the department's budgetary requirements will be heavily supported through the SAGF, sourced from the revenues from energy service contracts and other collections of the department. asr-000220 00:32:51.740 --> 00:32:54.020 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: This chart shows the DOE… asr-000221 00:32:54.020 --> 00:32:55.820 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Before you leave again, I just want to comment. asr-000222 00:32:55.940 --> 00:33:16.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, for the first time since 2022, which is the last six years, the new appropriations will actually be less. asr-000223 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:25.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: This is very important because basically, DOE is more self-sustaining than you were in the past. asr-000224 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I think compared to many other agencies, malaking bagay yun na. asr-000225 00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:30.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, it's really something that I wanted to emphasize. asr-000226 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:38.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And as you said, the reason is, meron kayong revenues na pumapasok to support this. asr-000227 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, I want to emphasize this because it's a good thing. asr-000228 00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:42.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Hirap naman ang puro bad news. asr-000229 00:33:42.320 --> 00:33:43.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, may good news naman tayo. asr-000230 00:33:43.620 --> 00:33:44.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: If you want to add, Secretary? asr-000231 00:33:44.800 --> 00:33:53.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I wanted to add also, hindi pa nabibilang diyan the contributions of our GOCCs because, for example, PSALM is one of the highest contributors in dividends. asr-000232 00:33:53.340 --> 00:33:54.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think just this… asr-000233 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:56.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: This year is about P30 billion. asr-000234 00:33:58.280 --> 00:33:59.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Magkano ba yung contribution mo? asr-000235 00:34:01.180 --> 00:34:03.600 PSALM President and CEO Dennis Edward de la Serna: Good afternoon, Senator Pia. asr-000236 00:34:04.260 --> 00:34:06.980 PSALM President and CEO Dennis Edward de la Serna: Secretary, our contribution for this year is about P4 billion. asr-000237 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.000 PSALM President and CEO Dennis Edward de la Serna: For next year, we're projecting around P30 plus billion. asr-000238 00:34:11.380 --> 00:34:13.560 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, the others are also contributing. asr-000239 00:34:13.720 --> 00:34:17.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Pero wala siya dyan kasi this is remittance lang sa katina. asr-000240 00:34:18.200 --> 00:34:19.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. asr-000241 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:20.640 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Next slide. asr-000242 00:34:20.640 --> 00:34:20.720 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Next slide. asr-000243 00:34:21.240 --> 00:34:24.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: This chart shows the DOE's budget utilization rate. asr-000244 00:34:25.240 --> 00:34:28.100 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: From 2022 to 31 August 2026. asr-000245 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:40.680 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Upon completion of procurement of the mobile energy system and the DOE automation project, which are already undergoing procurement, the obligation rate will increase to 67%. asr-000246 00:34:40.680 --> 00:34:48.160 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The DOE expects to reach at least 95.89% utilization rate for 2026. asr-000247 00:34:48.600 --> 00:34:54.860 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The increase in the DOE's recommended 2027 budget from the current year's budget level. asr-000248 00:34:55.240 --> 00:34:59.820 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: It's in large part owing to increased funding for these three major projects. asr-000249 00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:18.560 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The Philippine Gradiometry and Seismic Survey Project, or simply the Gradiometry Project, the Mobile Energy Systems, or MES, under the Total Electrification Project, and the ISSP, which includes the DOE Automation Project. asr-000250 00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:25.120 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The Gradiometry Project is the department’s initiative to improve resource mapping and prospect asr-000251 00:35:25.240 --> 00:35:25.820 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: identification, asr-000252 00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:38.220 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Reduce exploration risk and help attract greater upstream energy investments in the Philippines by generating higher quality geophysical data across priority petroleum basins. asr-000253 00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:42.780 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The Grid Geometry Project covers 120,000 square kilometers. asr-000254 00:35:43.620 --> 00:35:48.900 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The area could support up to 120 individual exploration service contracts. asr-000255 00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:52.780 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Using data from the recently awarded exploration contracts, asr-000256 00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.220 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: just 10% of asr-000257 00:35:55.220 --> 00:36:04.740 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the potential 120 contracts alone would already account for approximately ₱16.8 billion of potential private-sector investments. asr-000258 00:36:04.740 --> 00:36:09.740 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: And that is not even counting potential oil and gas discoveries. asr-000259 00:36:11.120 --> 00:36:17.680 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Under the Total Electrification Project, the department is procuring MES that will provide... asr-000260 00:36:17.680 --> 00:36:23.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: One last before you go to that again, let's go back to this because I was very interested in this when it was presented. asr-000261 00:36:23.220 --> 00:36:30.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The Philippine Gradiometry and Seismic Survey Project investment is ₱2.7 billion. asr-000262 00:36:31.040 --> 00:36:35.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And that's basically to be surveying that area that was blocked off. asr-000263 00:36:35.500 --> 00:36:40.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I think, Secretary, you explained that even the selection of the area, asr-000264 00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:45.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: because it's costly to survey the whole area, is very strategic. asr-000265 00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:51.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because these are the areas that there's a big chance of making a discovery, correct? asr-000266 00:36:51.020 --> 00:36:51.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes. asr-000267 00:36:53.220 --> 00:36:57.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So you want to be sure that this item is secured in the budget, right? asr-000268 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:02.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: This is not an additional budget you're asking for. It's already in the NEP. asr-000269 00:37:02.120 --> 00:37:02.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, ma'am. asr-000270 00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:03.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Okay. asr-000271 00:37:03.540 --> 00:37:10.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And just briefly, Sandy, our in-house expert on this, can explain why. asr-000272 00:37:10.900 --> 00:37:15.940 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes, explain it very quickly on the record because our briefing is not live. asr-000273 00:37:16.060 --> 00:37:21.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I want people to know that we're investing in this kind of exploration. asr-000274 00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:22.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes. asr-000275 00:37:23.220 --> 00:37:31.300 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, first point really is [unclear] po ng department kung saan natin dadalhin itong bagong acquisition ng data. asr-000276 00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:37.640 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, for the information, the last major exercise like this was in the 80s asr-000277 00:37:37.640 --> 00:37:42.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na nag-acquire ng data ang Philippine government over our basins. asr-000278 00:37:42.600 --> 00:37:45.800 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And it was funded through a World Bank loan. asr-000279 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:52.580 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, major milestone that after so many decades, we are again investing. asr-000280 00:37:53.220 --> 00:37:54.740 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: In our own basins. asr-000281 00:37:55.580 --> 00:38:07.060 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: The main criteria why we picked these basins is parang nakalimutan sila because the decision in the 70s and 80s was that these areas were gas-prone. asr-000282 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:13.020 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: At that time, natural gas po ay mahirap gawing commercial. asr-000283 00:38:13.580 --> 00:38:14.820 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Walang masyadong bumibili. asr-000284 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:22.880 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: When gas became a very valuable commodity beginning in the 2000s and up to the present time. asr-000285 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:30.440 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And in fact, kailangan ng Pilipinas, [unclear] namin itong mga areas na ito, nakalimutan dahil gas-prone daw. asr-000286 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:39.600 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: But it could really matter to the future of the country if we find more indigenous gas in this what we call forgotten areas. asr-000287 00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:40.140 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Thank you po. asr-000288 00:38:40.900 --> 00:38:41.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you for that. asr-000289 00:38:41.780 --> 00:38:51.140 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi I remember when I sponsored our bill on NatGas, we put on record that sadly, asr-000290 00:38:51.140 --> 00:38:57.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the height of exploration, investment was in the 70s. asr-000291 00:38:58.180 --> 00:38:59.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then, hindi na ho naulit yun. asr-000292 00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:05.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, you're tying in that information we have na 80s pala yung last data collection. asr-000293 00:39:06.560 --> 00:39:14.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But it makes sense that at that time, since hindi pa NatGas yung uso, hindi muna tinuloy. asr-000294 00:39:14.500 --> 00:39:20.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Tapos ngayon, kailangan na nating—NatGas is really a very valuable commodity now. asr-000295 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:21.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, now's a good time. asr-000296 00:39:21.140 --> 00:39:25.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: For this to really be, for this to be the focus. asr-000297 00:39:25.520 --> 00:39:25.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000298 00:39:26.060 --> 00:39:33.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But later on, you'll also mention the development also and what, exploration for geothermal, no? asr-000299 00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:36.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi malaki din yung investment natin dati. asr-000300 00:39:37.100 --> 00:39:39.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, later on, I think that's part of your presentation naman. asr-000301 00:39:41.080 --> 00:39:43.480 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Madam Chair, if I may, one last point. asr-000302 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:49.080 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Actually, when we talk to investors, malaking push din yung nangyari sa NatGas law. asr-000303 00:39:49.300 --> 00:39:50.980 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Because, ang nangyari doon, asr-000304 00:39:51.140 --> 00:39:54.800 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: it really bridged the gap between yung upstream, yung pag-explore, asr-000305 00:39:55.160 --> 00:39:56.960 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: and saan natin ibebenta. asr-000306 00:39:57.720 --> 00:40:01.000 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: What happened with our NatGas law was the market was assured asr-000307 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:05.780 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: because we said in the law that preference ang indigenous gas. asr-000308 00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:09.560 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, very important factor when we go out and meet the investors. asr-000309 00:40:09.980 --> 00:40:10.400 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Thank you po. asr-000310 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:16.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And for those just following now, I remember the discussion was, asr-000311 00:40:16.680 --> 00:40:20.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the emphasis here, the reality here is it's such a big investment because, asr-000312 00:40:20.560 --> 00:40:24.900 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yung investors tataya, may makahanap ka ba? asr-000313 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:26.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Hindi tayo sure, di ba? asr-000314 00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:27.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Hindi tayo sure. asr-000315 00:40:27.680 --> 00:40:29.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, they may spend a lot and not get anything. asr-000316 00:40:30.240 --> 00:40:33.140 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, to be able to tell them that if you do find gas, asr-000317 00:40:33.560 --> 00:40:38.940 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: priority in the Philippines to purchase their own indigenous gas versus yung imported. asr-000318 00:40:39.100 --> 00:40:39.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Importante yun. asr-000319 00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:43.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi, for investors, yun ang hinahanap nila na ano yung return of investment. asr-000320 00:40:44.180 --> 00:40:46.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Pwede kasing zero talaga eh kung walang makita. asr-000321 00:40:46.820 --> 00:40:48.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But, at least we're saying, pag may nakita, asr-000322 00:40:48.600 --> 00:40:50.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: then, I mean, asr-000323 00:40:50.100 --> 00:40:53.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: those who are investing are in the industry naman eh. asr-000324 00:40:53.120 --> 00:40:54.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, they know the risk. asr-000325 00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:57.720 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But, to be assured that there will be a buyer is a big thing. asr-000326 00:40:58.300 --> 00:40:59.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, yeah. asr-000327 00:40:59.180 --> 00:41:03.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, I'm glad that you have this investment now for this project to proceed. asr-000328 00:41:07.720 --> 00:41:08.480 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Next slide. asr-000329 00:41:09.100 --> 00:41:11.000 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Under the total electrification project, asr-000330 00:41:11.600 --> 00:41:13.580 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the department is procuring MES asr-000331 00:41:13.580 --> 00:41:15.500 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: that will provide the renewable, asr-000332 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:17.420 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: rapidly deployable, asr-000333 00:41:17.420 --> 00:41:19.100 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and modular solutions, asr-000334 00:41:19.620 --> 00:41:20.060 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: designed, asr-000335 00:41:20.100 --> 00:41:21.100 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: for immediate, asr-000336 00:41:21.100 --> 00:41:21.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: interim, asr-000337 00:41:21.600 --> 00:41:23.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and sustainable electricity access asr-000338 00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:27.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: for both disaster response and electrification purposes. asr-000339 00:41:27.600 --> 00:41:29.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For 2026, asr-000340 00:41:29.600 --> 00:41:33.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we are utilizing 500 million from current appropriations asr-000341 00:41:33.600 --> 00:41:37.100 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and 21 million from continuing appropriations. asr-000342 00:41:37.100 --> 00:41:38.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For 2027, asr-000343 00:41:38.600 --> 00:41:41.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we are proposing 600 million budget asr-000344 00:41:41.600 --> 00:41:45.100 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: for at least 60 additional MES units. asr-000345 00:41:45.100 --> 00:41:47.100 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For 2027, asr-000346 00:41:47.100 --> 00:41:49.100 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we propose a budget of ₱950 million for asr-000347 00:41:49.100 --> 00:41:49.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: ISSP, asr-000348 00:41:49.600 --> 00:41:51.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: of which asr-000349 00:41:51.600 --> 00:41:53.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: ₱491 million asr-000350 00:41:53.600 --> 00:41:55.100 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: or 52% asr-000351 00:41:55.100 --> 00:41:56.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: is for automation, asr-000352 00:41:56.600 --> 00:41:58.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: while ₱458 million asr-000353 00:41:58.600 --> 00:41:59.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: or 48% asr-000354 00:41:59.600 --> 00:42:01.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: is for other ICT asr-000355 00:42:01.600 --> 00:42:02.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: requirements. asr-000356 00:42:02.600 --> 00:42:04.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The DOE automation project asr-000357 00:42:04.600 --> 00:42:06.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: will transform fragmented asr-000358 00:42:06.600 --> 00:42:07.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: stand-alone systems asr-000359 00:42:07.600 --> 00:42:09.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: into a unified, asr-000360 00:42:09.600 --> 00:42:10.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: streamlined, asr-000361 00:42:10.600 --> 00:42:12.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: automated, asr-000362 00:42:12.600 --> 00:42:14.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and AI-enabled enterprise asr-000363 00:42:14.600 --> 00:42:15.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: platform. asr-000364 00:42:15.600 --> 00:42:17.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: It will improve efficiency and transparency, asr-000365 00:42:17.600 --> 00:42:18.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: strengthen accountability, asr-000366 00:42:18.600 --> 00:42:19.600 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and provide a reliable, asr-000367 00:42:19.600 --> 00:42:22.000 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and regulatory compliance asr-000368 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.580 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and reduce opportunities asr-000369 00:42:23.580 --> 00:42:25.620 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: for discretion, manipulation asr-000370 00:42:25.620 --> 00:42:26.920 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and corruption. asr-000371 00:42:27.620 --> 00:42:29.720 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Finally, we present a summary asr-000372 00:42:29.720 --> 00:42:31.740 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: of the department's major plans and asr-000373 00:42:31.740 --> 00:42:32.550 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: programs. asr-000373-split-2 00:42:32.550 --> 00:42:33.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Before you proceed, just asr-000374 00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:35.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: a quick comment on the automation asr-000375 00:42:35.640 --> 00:42:37.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: just to put on record what I also said asr-000376 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:39.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: during the briefing, that make sure asr-000377 00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:40.940 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that whatever asr-000378 00:42:40.940 --> 00:42:43.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: system you purchase asr-000379 00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:45.440 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: is interoperable asr-000380 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.820 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to the extent that you asr-000381 00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:49.140 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: may need to be connecting asr-000382 00:42:49.140 --> 00:42:50.520 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: like for example, asr-000383 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: national ID system. asr-000384 00:42:53.160 --> 00:42:55.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kailangan yung ibang agencies that you may have asr-000385 00:42:55.700 --> 00:42:56.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to be coordinating with. asr-000386 00:42:57.540 --> 00:42:59.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Just a reminder kasi asr-000387 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.820 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: it's not that difficult at this time asr-000388 00:43:01.820 --> 00:43:03.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to make sure that that happens. asr-000389 00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: A few years ago, laging lumalabas na asr-000390 00:43:05.680 --> 00:43:07.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: issue yan eh, na hindi asr-000391 00:43:07.700 --> 00:43:09.820 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: aligned yung mga systems asr-000392 00:43:09.820 --> 00:43:12.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ng gobyerno natin. So just be sure. asr-000393 00:43:13.200 --> 00:43:13.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. asr-000394 00:43:14.260 --> 00:43:14.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Go ahead, Chair. asr-000395 00:43:14.860 --> 00:43:16.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Actually, we have asr-000396 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:17.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a new use sector asr-000397 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:19.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: especially asr-000398 00:43:19.120 --> 00:43:20.560 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: just for automation asr-000399 00:43:20.560 --> 00:43:22.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because we think that this will asr-000400 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:23.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: improve the lives of the asr-000401 00:43:23.980 --> 00:43:26.140 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: people in DOE, make it easier asr-000402 00:43:26.140 --> 00:43:28.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and also make it asr-000403 00:43:28.100 --> 00:43:30.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: streamline the process. asr-000404 00:43:30.680 --> 00:43:32.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I don't know if Yusexasa still asr-000405 00:43:32.260 --> 00:43:34.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: wants to explain but that's the main asr-000406 00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:36.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: objective that we want asr-000407 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:37.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: fully integrated asr-000408 00:43:37.640 --> 00:43:40.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: among us and also with our asr-000409 00:43:40.180 --> 00:43:42.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: stakeholders and also with our asr-000410 00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:43.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: GOCCs para asr-000411 00:43:43.460 --> 00:43:45.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: mas mabilis na yung trabaho. asr-000412 00:43:46.180 --> 00:43:48.160 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Maybe later we can make a note na asr-000413 00:43:48.160 --> 00:43:49.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pag natapos yung asr-000414 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:50.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: main presentation, then you want to say asr-000415 00:43:50.540 --> 00:43:52.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: a few, we will put on record asr-000416 00:43:52.100 --> 00:43:54.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: whatever you want to add or asr-000417 00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:56.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: if not, then at least give me a paper asr-000418 00:43:56.500 --> 00:43:57.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: on it. Thank you. asr-000419 00:43:59.260 --> 00:43:59.740 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Okay. asr-000420 00:44:00.460 --> 00:44:02.420 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Next slide. Finally, we present asr-000421 00:44:02.420 --> 00:44:04.420 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: a summary of the department's major plans asr-000422 00:44:04.420 --> 00:44:05.980 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and programs. First, asr-000423 00:44:06.600 --> 00:44:08.680 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we accelerate energy resource development. asr-000424 00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:10.340 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The biggest investment asr-000425 00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:12.100 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: of the DOE is on the asr-000426 00:44:12.100 --> 00:44:14.360 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: grid geometry project, which is asr-000427 00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:16.480 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: expected to significantly increase oil asr-000428 00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.440 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and gas explorations in the country. asr-000429 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:20.460 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We are implementing the asr-000430 00:44:20.460 --> 00:44:22.700 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Philippine Geothermal Derisking Facility asr-000431 00:44:22.700 --> 00:44:24.480 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to revive geothermal asr-000432 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.820 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: exploration in the Philippines. asr-000433 00:44:26.420 --> 00:44:28.300 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We are also conducting additional asr-000434 00:44:28.300 --> 00:44:29.760 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: green energy auctions asr-000435 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.740 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: such as waste to energy, asr-000436 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:33.820 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: onshore and offshore wind, asr-000437 00:44:34.540 --> 00:44:36.580 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: geothermal, agro-solar, asr-000438 00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:38.240 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: solar on stilts, asr-000439 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.320 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: solar on irrigation canals, asr-000440 00:44:40.540 --> 00:44:41.560 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and off-grid areas. asr-000441 00:44:42.380 --> 00:44:44.500 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Nuclear energy remains part of the asr-000442 00:44:44.500 --> 00:44:46.800 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: DOE's long-term energy strategy, asr-000443 00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:48.500 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: functioning as cheaper asr-000444 00:44:48.500 --> 00:44:50.340 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and more reliable base load asr-000445 00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:52.260 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: power. The mid-merit asr-000446 00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:53.980 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: natural gas capacity auction asr-000447 00:44:53.980 --> 00:44:56.120 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: is targeted to be completed asr-000448 00:44:56.120 --> 00:44:57.840 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: by December 2026. asr-000449 00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:00.060 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We also have major plans asr-000450 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:09.380 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to ensure energy security, including the deployment of MES, establishment of a state-owned strategic fuel reserve, asr-000451 00:45:10.160 --> 00:45:15.120 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: formulation of the Visayas, Mindoro, and Palawan energy master plans, asr-000452 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:23.380 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: implementation of policies for generation companies' accountability, review of systems laws-related policies and programs, asr-000453 00:45:23.380 --> 00:45:31.460 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: push for government-wide adoption of electric vehicles or EVs, and deployment of EV charging stations. asr-000454 00:45:32.120 --> 00:45:42.480 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We also have several key projects to strengthen governance, including the full digitalization, automation, and AI transformation of DOE, asr-000455 00:45:42.660 --> 00:45:53.120 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the establishment of the DOE Center for Energy Excellence, comprising of the Energy Museum, Energy Academy, and R&D Center, asr-000456 00:45:53.380 --> 00:46:00.000 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the strengthening of DOE Manpower, the modernization of the DOE Nationwide Command Center, asr-000457 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:06.180 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and the upgrading of DOE facilities to achieve net-zero energy consumption. asr-000458 00:46:06.560 --> 00:46:13.320 DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Madam Chair, Honorable Members of the Committee, this ends my presentation. Thank you for your kind attention. asr-000459 00:46:14.660 --> 00:46:22.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. Before we go to Attorney Juan, I just had the— asr-000460 00:46:22.180 --> 00:46:23.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I remembered… asr-000461 00:46:23.380 --> 00:46:38.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: In the energy industry, are there specific professions that are required, or even non-professional jobs that we have a shortage of? asr-000462 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:49.920 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I ask because, as you probably know, I'm very passionate about education, and one of the things we are lacking is the direct connection between the industry and CHED or TESDA. asr-000463 00:46:50.100 --> 00:46:51.580 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, meron ba? I'm just curious. asr-000464 00:46:52.520 --> 00:46:53.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, ma'am. asr-000465 00:46:53.380 --> 00:46:57.920 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: You had mentioned electrical engineers. May kulang. I just assumed it's electrical. asr-000466 00:46:58.740 --> 00:47:04.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I have Usec Guevara, our Dean of UP Engineering. asr-000467 00:47:05.940 --> 00:47:06.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Are you a dean? asr-000468 00:47:07.560 --> 00:47:09.940 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: I was a dean from 2004 to 2010. asr-000469 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:16.920 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Saan na ba yan? Kasi when I was in UP, katabi pa yan ng lot. Hindi na, di ba? Nag-move na. Ah, hindi, yung RQ sa taas ang nag-move. asr-000470 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:18.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Pinalayas na namin sila. asr-000471 00:47:18.340 --> 00:47:22.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: May sarili nang building. Kasi UP Arki yung anak ko. asr-000472 00:47:22.140 --> 00:47:23.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: At doon pala sila. asr-000473 00:47:23.380 --> 00:47:24.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: May 6 na bago, pero kayo doon pa rin. asr-000474 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:25.240 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Doon pa rin. asr-000474-split-2 00:47:25.240 --> 00:47:25.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ah, okay. asr-000475 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:27.720 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: May 6 na bagong buildings din po kami. asr-000476 00:47:27.740 --> 00:47:28.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ah, really? asr-000477 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:28.580 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes. asr-000478 00:47:28.580 --> 00:47:29.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: In the area? asr-000479 00:47:29.540 --> 00:47:34.220 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: In the science and engineering area on Velasquez Street. asr-000480 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:35.900 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay, okay. Anyway, go ahead. asr-000481 00:47:35.900 --> 00:47:48.780 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Anyway, depending on the technologies, for example, nuclear, because all our engineers left in 1987, the faculty members and so on, so we have to rebuild. asr-000482 00:47:49.100 --> 00:47:51.640 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Fortunately, DOST started about 5 years ago. asr-000483 00:47:51.820 --> 00:47:53.160 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: They've sent people for PhD. asr-000484 00:47:53.380 --> 00:47:54.780 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Masters and so on. asr-000485 00:47:55.300 --> 00:48:00.100 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And then, for the offshore wind, this is the new technology among the renewables. asr-000486 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:01.140 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes. asr-000487 00:48:01.140 --> 00:48:07.460 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we have a deal with the CHED and TESDA because there's specific job descriptions, no? asr-000488 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:13.400 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: That we need to convert perhaps a mechanical engineer into an offshore wind engineer and so on. asr-000489 00:48:13.820 --> 00:48:14.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Mga bridge programs. asr-000490 00:48:15.040 --> 00:48:15.420 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes. asr-000491 00:48:15.620 --> 00:48:17.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, they're working that out with the universities? asr-000492 00:48:18.100 --> 00:48:18.440 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes. asr-000493 00:48:18.520 --> 00:48:18.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000494 00:48:19.140 --> 00:48:21.240 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And then, we also have— asr-000495 00:48:21.240 --> 00:48:31.360 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We just discovered that many of our plants, coal-fired power plants, gas plants, and so on, are maintained by foreigners. asr-000496 00:48:32.420 --> 00:48:40.300 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, every time there's a breakdown in a plant, we have to wait for the foreigner to come and do the repairs or assess, even the assessment. asr-000497 00:48:40.980 --> 00:48:44.520 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And we have what we call the maintenance program for these plants. asr-000498 00:48:45.080 --> 00:48:51.220 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And once we schedule it for a year, we cannot move the dates because they have to reserve the plants. asr-000499 00:48:51.240 --> 00:48:52.340 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Ahead of time. asr-000500 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.080 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we need to develop that ability again in the Philippines. asr-000501 00:48:57.220 --> 00:49:02.060 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Otherwise, we cannot fix our plants right away. asr-000502 00:49:02.900 --> 00:49:06.060 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, in terms of human resource, we do have a lot of engineers. asr-000503 00:49:06.520 --> 00:49:11.140 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And in fact, those foreign experts, when they come, sometimes they are Filipinos. asr-000504 00:49:12.140 --> 00:49:14.920 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We are not able to keep them, Madam Chair. asr-000505 00:49:15.140 --> 00:49:18.780 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we do have the talent pool. asr-000506 00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:20.620 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We have a lot of engineering graduates. asr-000507 00:49:21.240 --> 00:49:22.380 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We cannot retain them. asr-000508 00:49:23.600 --> 00:49:25.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Just a quick response. asr-000509 00:49:25.540 --> 00:49:32.300 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I'm actually happy with the bulk of your response because you're already communicating with Ched. asr-000510 00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:34.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And that must be because of your experience as a dean. asr-000511 00:49:34.720 --> 00:49:38.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because in many other sectors that I talked to, parang wala. asr-000512 00:49:38.660 --> 00:49:40.140 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, you're already ahead. asr-000513 00:49:40.260 --> 00:49:41.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I'm happy to hear that. asr-000514 00:49:41.200 --> 00:49:42.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ito na bang yung maintenance na lang talaga. asr-000515 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:49.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, Secretary, I'm happy to work with whoever will take over USEC Guevara's... asr-000516 00:49:51.240 --> 00:49:52.260 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ayan, sige. asr-000517 00:49:52.680 --> 00:49:54.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: No, because I want to be sure. asr-000518 00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:56.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I want to be sure you get that done. asr-000519 00:49:56.260 --> 00:49:59.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I mean, even among how many coal plants are there. asr-000520 00:49:59.560 --> 00:50:00.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: How many are there? asr-000521 00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:02.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Di ba sila pwedeng mag-unite? asr-000522 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:04.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I mean, it's just a matter of getting it done. asr-000523 00:50:05.520 --> 00:50:05.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Di ba? asr-000524 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:08.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We, actually, just timely enough. asr-000525 00:50:08.900 --> 00:50:10.560 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We just had a meeting with the... asr-000526 00:50:10.560 --> 00:50:11.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Anong tawag ko dun? asr-000527 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:12.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yeah. asr-000528 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We are trying to do capacity building projects also with them. asr-000529 00:50:16.940 --> 00:50:20.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Para may pool tayo na accredited to do those things. asr-000530 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:22.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But that's still in the initial stages. asr-000531 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:23.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But yes, there's a... asr-000532 00:50:23.820 --> 00:50:29.140 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because I remember when we visited the rig in Palawan, Malampaya, asr-000533 00:50:29.520 --> 00:50:34.200 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: when I visited it, what, almost two years ago, a year and a half ago, asr-000534 00:50:34.740 --> 00:50:42.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that was also the issue that if we don't get assurance that there will be a continuity, asr-000535 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:47.420 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we'll also lose that very capable manpower that we have. asr-000536 00:50:47.560 --> 00:50:49.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And there are all Filipino crew pa naman. asr-000537 00:50:49.660 --> 00:50:50.420 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So... asr-000538 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:55.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, let's get this going and let's try to maintain na talaga. asr-000539 00:50:55.560 --> 00:50:58.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And yeah, the idea is later on when they're so good, sila naman... asr-000540 00:50:58.560 --> 00:50:59.460 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Well, nangyari na nga. asr-000541 00:50:59.560 --> 00:51:00.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Umalis na lahat dati. asr-000542 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:02.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, let's rebuild again. asr-000543 00:51:03.080 --> 00:51:03.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000544 00:51:03.740 --> 00:51:04.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, we'll go now. asr-000545 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:08.300 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I think, wait, before I go to Attorney Juan, just very quick questions. asr-000546 00:51:08.500 --> 00:51:09.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Very quick. asr-000547 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:12.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: What's our current energy mix? asr-000548 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:19.720 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We are currently coal. asr-000549 00:51:19.720 --> 00:51:20.720 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Is about 62%. asr-000550 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:21.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000551 00:51:22.040 --> 00:51:24.680 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And then, renewables is about 25%. asr-000552 00:51:24.680 --> 00:51:30.500 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And then, you have the rest, the oil and gas and so on, as well as the others. asr-000553 00:51:30.680 --> 00:51:34.540 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And also, BES, battery energy storage system. asr-000554 00:51:35.100 --> 00:51:39.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, with the top two, that's already equivalent to 87%, no? asr-000555 00:51:40.380 --> 00:51:45.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But I'll give you a minute to tell me how RE is doing. asr-000556 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:50.420 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because we do know that RE use is going up and even the cost of RE is going down. asr-000557 00:51:50.520 --> 00:51:50.720 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, can you... asr-000558 00:51:50.720 --> 00:51:53.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Can you make your little, you know, make that statement about it? asr-000559 00:51:53.860 --> 00:51:57.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because this is what so many environmentalists have been waiting to happen. asr-000560 00:51:57.940 --> 00:51:59.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And it has happened in our lifetime. asr-000561 00:52:01.200 --> 00:52:01.660 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Madam Chair. asr-000562 00:52:02.020 --> 00:52:04.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Let me just acknowledge Senator Erwin Tulfo. asr-000563 00:52:05.020 --> 00:52:08.200 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sir, I'll give you a minute to make an opening statement if you want. asr-000564 00:52:08.260 --> 00:52:09.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I'll just let her finish this question. asr-000565 00:52:10.020 --> 00:52:10.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Go ahead. asr-000566 00:52:10.680 --> 00:52:13.700 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I don't have any opening statement, Madam Chair. asr-000567 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:14.140 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sige. asr-000568 00:52:14.420 --> 00:52:16.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, go ahead and answer the question lang. asr-000569 00:52:16.640 --> 00:52:19.040 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Madam Chair, from 2022 to 2024, asr-000570 00:52:19.040 --> 00:52:24.720 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: our renewable energy in the generation mix in megawatt hours was 22%. asr-000571 00:52:24.720 --> 00:52:28.940 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Last year, 2025, it jumped to 25%. asr-000572 00:52:28.940 --> 00:52:30.740 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: It's a 3% increase. asr-000573 00:52:31.300 --> 00:52:36.580 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we figured based on our plans and the green energy auction results, asr-000574 00:52:37.300 --> 00:52:42.600 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: by 2030, we will reach 35% of renewable energy in the generation mix. asr-000575 00:52:44.680 --> 00:52:46.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And that's the target? asr-000576 00:52:46.820 --> 00:52:47.340 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes, ma'am. asr-000577 00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:47.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000578 00:52:47.980 --> 00:52:48.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And in terms of pricing, asr-000580 00:52:49.700 --> 00:52:50.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: banggitin mo na, asr-000581 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:52.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kasi on record. asr-000582 00:52:52.460 --> 00:52:55.140 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Dati po yung coal, mas mura siya kesa sa solar. asr-000583 00:52:55.520 --> 00:52:58.120 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Ngayon, solar is cheaper than coal already. asr-000584 00:52:59.020 --> 00:52:59.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, I'll repeat. asr-000585 00:53:00.020 --> 00:53:02.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Solar is now cheaper than coal. asr-000586 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:08.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, in our desire to push for more RE, more renewables, more sustainable, asr-000587 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:15.200 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we are on track and it should happen because hindi na madaling sabihin na asr-000588 00:53:15.200 --> 00:53:17.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: mas mura ang coal, kailangan natin umasa sa coal. asr-000589 00:53:17.720 --> 00:53:19.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And can you also add to the discussion? asr-000590 00:53:19.040 --> 00:53:21.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, people understand, no? asr-000591 00:53:21.700 --> 00:53:25.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because it's very rare that you get a full picture. asr-000592 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:31.920 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: One of the reasons why RE, renewable energy, was difficult to push was because of the storage. asr-000593 00:53:32.640 --> 00:53:36.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, kung walang araw, hindi mo na-store yung na-collect mong energy, asr-000594 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:38.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: wala kang magagamit, diba? asr-000595 00:53:38.160 --> 00:53:40.380 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, hindi siya nagagamit for base load. asr-000596 00:53:41.060 --> 00:53:47.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But now, maybe you can update us on what is the scenario now with the batteries? asr-000597 00:53:49.040 --> 00:53:52.360 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Today, even households can have solar and battery. asr-000598 00:53:52.780 --> 00:53:55.020 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Solar para mag-charge siya ng battery. asr-000599 00:53:55.180 --> 00:53:57.100 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Para pati sa gabi, renewable siya. asr-000600 00:53:57.260 --> 00:54:02.360 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Because battery prices have gone down by 90% in the past 10 years. asr-000601 00:54:02.520 --> 00:54:02.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000602 00:54:03.080 --> 00:54:07.220 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And Madam Chair, to also add, yung pong ating mga renewables ngayon, asr-000603 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.760 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: people are worried na ang mahal naman niyang bagong technology na yan. asr-000604 00:54:11.060 --> 00:54:17.000 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: I would like to remind people that when we started solar as fit in 2015, asr-000605 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.000 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: the price was ₱9.68 asr-000606 00:54:19.560 --> 00:54:20.360 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: per kilowatt hour. asr-000607 00:54:20.620 --> 00:54:20.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000608 00:54:21.040 --> 00:54:22.000 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And today, it's 4.5. asr-000609 00:54:22.680 --> 00:54:23.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Wow. asr-000610 00:54:23.500 --> 00:54:27.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, from 9.68 to 4.5. asr-000611 00:54:27.240 --> 00:54:27.960 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: 4.5. asr-000612 00:54:28.200 --> 00:54:33.300 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we would like to encourage people not to be afraid of the initial high price of new technologies asr-000613 00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:35.320 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: because it will really go down. asr-000614 00:54:35.540 --> 00:54:37.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. Thank you for that, ma'am. asr-000615 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:39.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, energy mix. asr-000616 00:54:39.640 --> 00:54:42.900 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then, my other question is, what's the fastest growing? asr-000617 00:54:43.080 --> 00:54:43.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, solar na nga. asr-000618 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:44.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Solar. asr-000619 00:54:44.740 --> 00:54:48.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, yung aasahan ko sana dyan is geothermal din, no? asr-000620 00:54:48.240 --> 00:54:48.520 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sana. asr-000621 00:54:48.520 --> 00:54:49.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sana. Pero hindi pa. asr-000622 00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:54.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi sabi niyo, yung presentation kanina is binabalik pa lang natin ulit eh. asr-000623 00:54:56.080 --> 00:55:00.260 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We are going to borrow money from Asian Development Bank, asr-000624 00:55:00.340 --> 00:55:06.000 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: $170 million to de-risk the exploration of wells for geothermal. asr-000625 00:55:06.460 --> 00:55:08.780 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yun po kasi yung pinaka-risky part eh. asr-000626 00:55:09.220 --> 00:55:12.580 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Kailangan mong mag-drill ng tatlong wells, $6 to $8 million each. asr-000627 00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:13.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000628 00:55:13.120 --> 00:55:15.240 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Lahat sila successful bago mo sabihin na, asr-000629 00:55:15.660 --> 00:55:16.840 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: bakit di ako mag-drill dito? asr-000630 00:55:17.140 --> 00:55:17.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000631 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:22.140 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And since 2012, when we sold our geothermal plants, asr-000632 00:55:22.420 --> 00:55:24.300 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: we have not had greenfield. asr-000633 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:25.580 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Since 2012. asr-000634 00:55:26.040 --> 00:55:28.240 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Because the private sector is afraid of the risk. asr-000635 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:32.500 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, the geothermal de-risking facility that we are borrowing from ADB asr-000636 00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:37.040 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: will basically say, 50% of the risk will be taken by the government. asr-000637 00:55:37.520 --> 00:55:42.840 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, land bank, our partner, will lend money for exploration, drilling wells. asr-000638 00:55:43.120 --> 00:55:43.440 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000639 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.640 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: If the geothermal developer is successful, asr-000640 00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:48.820 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: repay land bank. asr-000641 00:55:49.060 --> 00:55:51.940 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: If they're not successful, it's a grant from the Philippine government. asr-000642 00:55:52.620 --> 00:55:56.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, tumaya ka, but 50% of that is secure ka. asr-000643 00:55:57.060 --> 00:56:01.440 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, yung risk mo is just 50%. asr-000644 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:06.580 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And it's a loan from ADB by the government? asr-000645 00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:07.460 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Is that what it is? asr-000646 00:56:07.660 --> 00:56:09.040 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes. Sovereign guaranteed loan. asr-000647 00:56:09.140 --> 00:56:11.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. So, that means, basically, yung government yung tumataya. asr-000648 00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:15.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: It's just that tinulungan tayo ng ADB to provide the funding. asr-000649 00:56:16.160 --> 00:56:16.300 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-000650 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.940 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, just for your information, Senator Tulfo, asr-000651 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:22.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there are just two presentations. asr-000652 00:56:22.980 --> 00:56:24.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The first one is done by DOE. asr-000653 00:56:25.080 --> 00:56:30.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The second one is going to be presented to us by Attorney Juan for ERC. asr-000654 00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:32.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then, after that, I'll open it to questions. asr-000655 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:33.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, are you okay with that? asr-000656 00:56:33.560 --> 00:56:34.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Dalawa lang naman tayo, no? asr-000657 00:56:35.180 --> 00:56:35.900 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yes, Madam Chair. asr-000658 00:56:36.460 --> 00:56:39.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. So, Attorney Juan, please proceed. Thank you. asr-000659 00:56:41.220 --> 00:56:46.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Thank you, Madam Chair, Honorable Senator Erwin Tulfo, asr-000660 00:56:46.200 --> 00:56:51.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and my Secretary Sharon Garin, and my colleagues in the Energy Family. asr-000661 00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:55.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: I am Attorney Juan, Chairperson and CEO of the ERC. asr-000662 00:56:56.980 --> 00:57:03.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And with me are the Commissioners of ERC, Commissioner Floresinda Baldo-Digal, asr-000663 00:57:04.200 --> 00:57:08.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Commissioner Amante Liberato, and Commissioner Paris Real. asr-000664 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:15.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our mandate in EPIRA is very clear, and that is to promote competition, asr-000665 00:57:15.500 --> 00:57:16.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ensure asr-000666 00:57:16.200 --> 00:57:19.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consumer choice, protect consumer interests, asr-000667 00:57:19.780 --> 00:57:24.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and keep retail rates based on prudent and reasonable cost recovery, asr-000668 00:57:24.640 --> 00:57:27.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and penalize abuse of market power. asr-000669 00:57:28.380 --> 00:57:28.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Slide three. asr-000670 00:57:29.740 --> 00:57:33.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We regulate the full electricity value chain, the regulated sectors, asr-000671 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:39.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: transmission and distribution, and the competitive sector generation and supply. asr-000672 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:45.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, there can be better appreciation of the following slides as regards the ERC accomplishments asr-000673 00:57:46.200 --> 00:57:52.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Let me just describe briefly how we regulate the transmission and distribution sector. asr-000674 00:57:52.540 --> 00:58:00.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Basically, we set the rates and performance standards for our transmission utility, the NGCP, asr-000675 00:58:00.600 --> 00:58:07.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and our distribution utilities, both the private utilities and the electric cooperatives. asr-000676 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:14.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: For our monitoring and oversight over the competitive sector, namely the generation and supply, asr-000677 00:58:14.500 --> 00:58:15.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we basically license it. asr-000678 00:58:16.200 --> 00:58:30.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: These entities, the generation companies, through the issuance of certificates of compliance, as well as license the retail electricity suppliers through the issuance of the RES licenses to them. asr-000679 00:58:30.080 --> 00:58:46.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: At the same time, we issue regulations that will govern the sector short of setting or regulating the prices at which these entities offer to their respective customers. asr-000680 00:58:46.080 --> 00:58:59.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Except that for generation companies that are selling to distribution utilities for their captive market, we review the power supply agreements. asr-000681 00:59:00.080 --> 00:59:30.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that they enter into, as well as for ancillary service providers that are offering ancillary services to the transmission service provider. We likewise review and approve the ancillary service procurement agreements or ASPAs that they enter into. Slide four: the industry we regulate is valued at ₱4.19 trillion, with the DOE projecting around asr-000682 00:59:30.080 --> 01:00:00.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ₱20 to ₱31 trillion in investment needs through 2050, and with this it is anticipated that 1.8 million jobs will be created. So this is the scale of the energy sector that our proposed budget of ₱940 million must support. Next slide, the ERC has awoken from its slumber: 5,149 decisions asr-000683 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:09.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and orders issued in the period which is more than double the 2,411 issued in the same months asr-000684 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:16.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a year earlier. With the National Lifeline Subsidy Program that ERC developed last year asr-000685 01:00:16.820 --> 01:00:25.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in consultation with the DOE and the DSWD, lifeline rate subsidy coverage is up 85.33 percent. asr-000686 01:00:25.420 --> 01:00:33.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: It now reaches 620,000 qualified marginalized end users. Net metering registrations are up asr-000687 01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:42.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 51.77 percent under the streamlined licensing procedures that ERC implemented also last year. asr-000688 01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:50.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Worthy to mention also is the completed rate reset of NGCP both for the fourth regulatory period asr-000689 01:00:50.660 --> 01:00:55.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the fifth regulatory period. This happened in 2024. asr-000690 01:00:55.420 --> 01:01:00.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And this happened after more than a decade of delays. asr-000691 01:01:01.580 --> 01:01:12.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And together with the rate reset of NGCP was the approval of 1,602 CAPEX projects worth 290 billion. asr-000692 01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:13.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Next slide. asr-000693 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:21.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: The ERC also approved 71.3 billion in refunds as of August 2026. asr-000694 01:01:21.240 --> 01:01:25.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: More than triple the 21.3 billion. asr-000695 01:01:25.420 --> 01:01:34.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: A year earlier, including the 69.95 billion that Meralco was asked to refund asr-000696 01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:44.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the true-up mechanism or the actual weighted average tariff mechanism that ERC devised asr-000697 01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:55.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: so it can address the period during which there were no rate reset that was conducted for our private distribution. asr-000698 01:01:55.420 --> 01:02:04.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So it is Meralco that was directed but soon because the ERC also directed other private distribution utilities asr-000699 01:02:04.160 --> 01:02:15.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to file similar petitions, we will be acting on the other private distribution utilities' AWAT applications. asr-000700 01:02:15.300 --> 01:02:25.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: The ERC also approved last year 292 power supply agreement applications, up from a mere asr-000701 01:02:25.420 --> 01:02:25.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 71 asr-000702 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:26.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a year asr-000703 01:02:26.420 --> 01:02:27.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: earlier, asr-000704 01:02:27.420 --> 01:02:28.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and 184 asr-000705 01:02:28.420 --> 01:02:29.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of those asr-000706 01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:30.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with final asr-000707 01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:31.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: authority or decision. asr-000708 01:02:31.420 --> 01:02:32.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Average asr-000709 01:02:32.420 --> 01:02:33.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: competitive retail asr-000710 01:02:33.420 --> 01:02:34.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: electricity asr-000711 01:02:34.420 --> 01:02:36.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: market, or this is the generation asr-000712 01:02:36.460 --> 01:02:37.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: charge that is usually asr-000713 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: offered by asr-000714 01:02:40.260 --> 01:02:42.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: retail electricity suppliers asr-000715 01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:44.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to contestable customers, asr-000716 01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:46.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the CREM rates are asr-000717 01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:48.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ₱5.33 asr-000718 01:02:48.460 --> 01:02:50.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to ₱5.73 asr-000719 01:02:50.700 --> 01:02:52.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: per kilowatt-hour. asr-000720 01:02:52.420 --> 01:02:54.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, all in all, we asr-000721 01:02:54.380 --> 01:02:55.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: estimate that the CREM asr-000722 01:02:55.900 --> 01:02:58.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: delivered 19.87 asr-000723 01:02:58.580 --> 01:03:00.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: billion in consumer asr-000724 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: savings in 2025. asr-000725 01:03:02.680 --> 01:03:04.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And related to the asr-000726 01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:05.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: CREM is the lowering asr-000727 01:03:05.860 --> 01:03:08.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the threshold. That happened asr-000728 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:09.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: also last year. asr-000729 01:03:10.160 --> 01:03:12.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: From the threshold of asr-000730 01:03:12.100 --> 01:03:14.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 500 kilowatt, we lowered asr-000731 01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the contestability threshold asr-000732 01:03:16.080 --> 01:03:17.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to 100 kilowatt, asr-000733 01:03:18.120 --> 01:03:19.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and then we started, asr-000734 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and we restarted asr-000735 01:03:21.580 --> 01:03:22.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the performance-based asr-000736 01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: rate setting for the private asr-000737 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:26.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: distribution utilities asr-000738 01:03:26.900 --> 01:03:29.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: after more than asr-000739 01:03:29.040 --> 01:03:31.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a decade of delays asr-000740 01:03:31.100 --> 01:03:32.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and made our asr-000741 01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:34.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: filing asr-000742 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:35.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: mandatory, as I mentioned, asr-000743 01:03:36.160 --> 01:03:38.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for all private distribution asr-000744 01:03:38.160 --> 01:03:40.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: utilities. In support asr-000745 01:03:40.060 --> 01:03:41.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: also of the targets of the asr-000746 01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:44.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Department of Energy for asr-000747 01:03:44.300 --> 01:03:46.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the greater renewable asr-000748 01:03:46.240 --> 01:03:48.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: energy share in our total asr-000749 01:03:48.140 --> 01:03:50.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generation mix, we set asr-000750 01:03:50.380 --> 01:03:52.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the green energy auction reserve asr-000751 01:03:52.040 --> 01:03:54.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: price for offshore wind and asr-000752 01:03:54.080 --> 01:03:56.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pioneer waste-to-energy projects. asr-000753 01:03:57.080 --> 01:03:57.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We updated asr-000754 01:03:57.980 --> 01:04:00.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the AMI rules or the advanced asr-000755 01:04:00.040 --> 01:04:01.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: metering infrastructure rules asr-000756 01:04:01.860 --> 01:04:04.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for smart grid modernization, asr-000757 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:06.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and addressed long-standing asr-000758 01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:08.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generation sector issues, asr-000759 01:04:08.660 --> 01:04:10.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: including the public asr-000760 01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:11.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: offering requirement, asr-000761 01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:14.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the PSA and ASPA delayed asr-000762 01:04:14.200 --> 01:04:16.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: approvals, point-to-point asr-000763 01:04:16.020 --> 01:04:17.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: transmission delayed approvals, asr-000764 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:20.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: fit adjustment, and asr-000765 01:04:20.040 --> 01:04:21.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: UCME. asr-000766 01:04:21.820 --> 01:04:23.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Every one of these was delivered asr-000767 01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:25.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: within our existing budget. asr-000768 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:28.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Now, for our asr-000769 01:04:28.140 --> 01:04:30.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: priorities for 2027, asr-000770 01:04:31.020 --> 01:04:31.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: they remain asr-000771 01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: one, fair asr-000772 01:04:34.260 --> 01:04:36.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and evidence-based asr-000773 01:04:36.600 --> 01:04:38.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: rate setting, two, asr-000774 01:04:38.720 --> 01:04:40.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: timely resolution of pending asr-000775 01:04:40.420 --> 01:04:41.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: cases, three, asr-000776 01:04:42.260 --> 01:04:44.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: robust oversight to foster asr-000777 01:04:44.040 --> 01:04:46.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: competition, and four, asr-000778 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:47.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a stable and enhanced regulatory asr-000779 01:04:47.980 --> 01:04:49.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: environment to attract asr-000780 01:04:49.860 --> 01:04:52.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: investment. All of these asr-000781 01:04:52.040 --> 01:04:53.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: are anchored in our most important asr-000782 01:04:53.980 --> 01:04:56.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: thrust, which is five, a proactive asr-000783 01:04:56.300 --> 01:04:58.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consumer-focused leadership. asr-000784 01:04:59.040 --> 01:04:59.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Next slide. asr-000785 01:05:00.060 --> 01:05:01.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Under these five major asr-000786 01:05:01.780 --> 01:05:03.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: trusts are these activities, asr-000787 01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:05.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: one, we will set asr-000788 01:05:05.740 --> 01:05:08.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the reserve asr-000789 01:05:08.120 --> 01:05:10.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: prices for emerging technologies asr-000790 01:05:10.240 --> 01:05:12.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the Green Energy Auction asr-000791 01:05:12.140 --> 01:05:14.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Program of the Department asr-000792 01:05:14.080 --> 01:05:16.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of Energy whenever required, asr-000793 01:05:16.540 --> 01:05:18.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: both for on-grid and off-grid, asr-000794 01:05:18.860 --> 01:05:20.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and build the framework asr-000795 01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:22.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the natural gas asr-000796 01:05:22.160 --> 01:05:24.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: auction and asr-000797 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: possibly nuclear technology asr-000798 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:28.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the future, and force asr-000799 01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:29.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the distribution utilities asr-000800 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:32.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: least-cost supply obligations, asr-000801 01:05:32.660 --> 01:05:33.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: including asr-000804 01:05:33.720 --> 01:05:35.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: More timely audits of their asr-000805 01:05:35.120 --> 01:05:36.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pass-through charges, including asr-000806 01:05:36.700 --> 01:05:38.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a fuel audit of asr-000807 01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:41.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: their pass-through fuel charges. asr-000808 01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:42.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And restart and complete asr-000809 01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:44.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the regulatory rate reset asr-000810 01:05:44.720 --> 01:05:47.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: proceedings for all regulated asr-000811 01:05:47.120 --> 01:05:48.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: entities, both asr-000812 01:05:48.900 --> 01:05:50.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the private distribution utilities asr-000813 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:53.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the electric cooperatives, asr-000814 01:05:53.240 --> 01:05:55.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: both on-grid and off-grid. asr-000815 01:05:55.220 --> 01:05:57.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: By the way, for the electric cooperatives, asr-000816 01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:59.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we have not had any asr-000817 01:05:59.100 --> 01:06:01.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: rate reset or rate adjustment asr-000818 01:06:01.240 --> 01:06:02.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for our electric cooperatives. asr-000819 01:06:02.700 --> 01:06:03.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: For more, asr-000820 01:06:03.720 --> 01:06:05.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for more than a dozen asr-000821 01:06:05.980 --> 01:06:08.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: years. And so it is high time asr-000822 01:06:08.180 --> 01:06:10.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that we look into their rates, especially asr-000823 01:06:10.100 --> 01:06:12.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the mandate of the asr-000824 01:06:12.020 --> 01:06:14.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: president now for these electric cooperatives asr-000825 01:06:14.460 --> 01:06:16.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to shape up, operate more asr-000826 01:06:16.180 --> 01:06:17.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: efficiently, and bring down their asr-000827 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:18.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: system losses. asr-000828 01:06:19.900 --> 01:06:21.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We also intend asr-000829 01:06:21.560 --> 01:06:23.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in 2027 to asr-000830 01:06:23.860 --> 01:06:25.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consolidate our ERCify asr-000831 01:06:25.820 --> 01:06:28.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and other apps into one ERC asr-000832 01:06:28.120 --> 01:06:30.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: app, ensure full compliance asr-000833 01:06:30.060 --> 01:06:31.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the EVOSS Act asr-000834 01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:33.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: timelines and the asr-000835 01:06:33.720 --> 01:06:35.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 135-day asr-000836 01:06:35.780 --> 01:06:38.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Microgrid Systems Act asr-000837 01:06:38.060 --> 01:06:40.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: deadline. By the way, as far asr-000838 01:06:40.100 --> 01:06:41.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: as our performance in the EVOSS, asr-000839 01:06:42.100 --> 01:06:43.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we are delivering asr-000840 01:06:43.700 --> 01:06:45.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on-time approvals for asr-000841 01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:48.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: all the cases and matters under asr-000842 01:06:48.020 --> 01:06:49.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: EVOSS. We further asr-000843 01:06:49.740 --> 01:06:51.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: streamline our processes asr-000844 01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:54.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the 2026 asr-000845 01:06:54.180 --> 01:06:55.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Rules of Practice and asr-000846 01:06:55.960 --> 01:06:57.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Procedure of the ERC, asr-000847 01:06:57.740 --> 01:06:59.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: which we just approved yesterday, asr-000848 01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:01.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and strengthen the monitoring and asr-000849 01:07:01.740 --> 01:07:03.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: enforcement for RPS, asr-000850 01:07:03.720 --> 01:07:05.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: net metering, DUR, FIT asr-000851 01:07:05.620 --> 01:07:07.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance, and JEA allowance asr-000852 01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:09.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: compliance. We will again asr-000853 01:07:09.820 --> 01:07:11.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: support the ASEAN asr-000854 01:07:11.600 --> 01:07:13.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Power Grid and push for EPIRA amendments asr-000855 01:07:13.940 --> 01:07:16.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to strengthen the ERC's asr-000856 01:07:16.080 --> 01:07:17.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: authority, issue asr-000857 01:07:17.640 --> 01:07:19.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: regulations and regulatory frameworks asr-000858 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:21.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: where there are gaps, asr-000859 01:07:22.260 --> 01:07:23.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and align them asr-000860 01:07:23.660 --> 01:07:25.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the amendments to the asr-000861 01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:27.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: RE Act and EPIRA, including asr-000862 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the roadmap for asr-000863 01:07:29.620 --> 01:07:31.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: removing the system loss charge, asr-000864 01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:33.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and ensure timely resolution asr-000865 01:07:33.720 --> 01:07:35.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of all DU and asr-000866 01:07:35.560 --> 01:07:37.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: NGCP rate cases, asr-000867 01:07:37.720 --> 01:07:39.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: PSA, ASPA, KPEX asr-000868 01:07:39.620 --> 01:07:41.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: applications, dispute resolutions, asr-000869 01:07:42.160 --> 01:07:43.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and consumer complaints. asr-000870 01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:45.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We will asr-000871 01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:47.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: soon have the new asr-000872 01:07:47.380 --> 01:07:49.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or the 2026 Philippine asr-000873 01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:51.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Grid Code, and asr-000874 01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:53.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with this, asr-000875 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:55.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we will also enforce asr-000876 01:07:55.680 --> 01:07:57.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the new Magna Carta for asr-000877 01:07:57.460 --> 01:07:59.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Electricity Consumers, backed asr-000878 01:07:59.580 --> 01:08:01.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: by a more vigorous information asr-000879 01:08:01.740 --> 01:08:03.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: campaign on the new rights that asr-000880 01:08:03.600 --> 01:08:05.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we've defined under this new asr-000881 01:08:05.520 --> 01:08:07.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Magna Carta. We'll also asr-000882 01:08:07.300 --> 01:08:09.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pursue and amend our rules on asr-000883 01:08:09.120 --> 01:08:11.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: redistribution, and asr-000884 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:13.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pursue ISO certification asr-000885 01:08:13.300 --> 01:08:14.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the Commission. asr-000886 01:08:15.040 --> 01:08:17.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We will also enhance the consumer asr-000887 01:08:17.120 --> 01:08:19.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: complaints ticketing system, strengthen asr-000888 01:08:19.460 --> 01:08:21.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the ERC's energy prices asr-000889 01:08:21.400 --> 01:08:23.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: response capability, and asr-000890 01:08:23.440 --> 01:08:25.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: fully implement and monitor the asr-000891 01:08:25.100 --> 01:08:27.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 100 kilowatt retail competition asr-000892 01:08:27.140 --> 01:08:29.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and open access threshold asr-000893 01:08:29.340 --> 01:08:31.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with continuous public asr-000894 01:08:31.540 --> 01:08:33.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: education to encourage broader asr-000895 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:35.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: participation. We asr-000896 01:08:35.320 --> 01:08:37.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: integrate this threshold into the asr-000897 01:08:37.360 --> 01:08:39.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: retail market roadmap asr-000898 01:08:39.060 --> 01:08:41.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: alongside the Green Energy asr-000899 01:08:41.420 --> 01:08:43.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Option Program and the Retail asr-000900 01:08:43.220 --> 01:08:45.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Aggregation Program to lay the asr-000901 01:08:45.320 --> 01:08:47.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: groundwork for eventual household sector asr-000902 01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:49.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: inclusion and asr-000903 01:08:49.300 --> 01:08:51.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: support electric vehicle adoption asr-000904 01:08:51.380 --> 01:08:53.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: including, hopefully, in asr-000905 01:08:53.240 --> 01:08:54.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ERC's own fleet. asr-000906 01:08:55.140 --> 01:08:57.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: For our budget, our GAA asr-000907 01:08:57.440 --> 01:08:59.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: grew modestly from asr-000908 01:08:59.040 --> 01:09:01.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 911 million in asr-000909 01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:03.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2024 to 931 asr-000910 01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:05.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: million in 2026. asr-000911 01:09:05.440 --> 01:09:07.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our proposal for asr-000912 01:09:07.400 --> 01:09:09.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2027 is 1.7 asr-000913 01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:11.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: billion. It is significantly asr-000914 01:09:11.580 --> 01:09:13.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: higher, but it reflects asr-000915 01:09:13.460 --> 01:09:15.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the workload, activities, asr-000916 01:09:15.740 --> 01:09:17.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the mandate that we just presented. asr-000917 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:19.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Next slide. asr-000918 01:09:19.420 --> 01:09:21.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our 2027 asr-000919 01:09:21.360 --> 01:09:22.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: budget is asr-000920 01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:25.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 1.7 billion. asr-000921 01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:26.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: However, the NEP asr-000922 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:28.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: only reflects asr-000923 01:09:28.980 --> 01:09:31.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 944 million, or asr-000924 01:09:31.540 --> 01:09:33.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a reduction of 44.6 asr-000925 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:35.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: percent. asr-000926 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:37.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: That disallowance is mainly asr-000927 01:09:37.320 --> 01:09:39.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in MOOE and asr-000928 01:09:39.460 --> 01:09:41.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: capital outlay, the very items asr-000929 01:09:41.620 --> 01:09:43.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that will be funding our rate reset asr-000930 01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:44.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consultancies, asr-000931 01:09:45.360 --> 01:09:47.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ICT modernization, and case asr-000932 01:09:47.340 --> 01:09:48.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: resolution capacity. asr-000933 01:09:49.420 --> 01:09:50.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: This is the increase we asr-000934 01:09:50.940 --> 01:09:53.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: respectfully ask or request of asr-000935 01:09:53.320 --> 01:09:54.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the Honorable Committee asr-000936 01:09:54.480 --> 01:09:56.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to consider. asr-000937 01:09:56.940 --> 01:09:59.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our overall utilization rate asr-000938 01:09:59.380 --> 01:10:00.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the first half of each year asr-000939 01:10:00.940 --> 01:10:02.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: has climbed steadily from asr-000940 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:04.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 28.08 percent asr-000941 01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:06.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in June of 2021 asr-000942 01:10:06.300 --> 01:10:09.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: up to 46.81 asr-000943 01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:10.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: percent in June asr-000944 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:12.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2026. So this is asr-000945 01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:14.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: evidence of stronger absorptive asr-000946 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:16.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: capacity by the ERC asr-000947 01:10:16.780 --> 01:10:18.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to responsibly manage a larger asr-000948 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:20.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: budget. The full asr-000949 01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:22.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: year utilization asr-000950 01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:24.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: has also strengthened asr-000951 01:10:24.500 --> 01:10:26.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 84.2 asr-000952 01:10:26.740 --> 01:10:28.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: percent by end of 2025. asr-000953 01:10:29.820 --> 01:10:30.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: This is up from asr-000954 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:32.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a low of 62.0% asr-000955 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:34.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in 2023. asr-000956 01:10:36.120 --> 01:10:36.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: For in asr-000957 01:10:36.860 --> 01:10:38.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2025, the asr-000958 01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:39.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ERC generated asr-000959 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:42.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2.354 billion asr-000960 01:10:42.540 --> 01:10:43.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in revenue, asr-000961 01:10:44.580 --> 01:10:46.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a 121 percent increase asr-000962 01:10:46.240 --> 01:10:48.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: over our ₱1.065 asr-000963 01:10:48.940 --> 01:10:49.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: billion projection, asr-000964 01:10:50.480 --> 01:10:52.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and above our entire budget asr-000965 01:10:52.460 --> 01:10:53.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allocation for two years, asr-000966 01:10:54.440 --> 01:10:56.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2025 and 2026. asr-000967 01:10:57.140 --> 01:10:58.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: As of June 30, asr-000968 01:10:58.380 --> 01:11:00.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2026, we have already asr-000969 01:11:00.420 --> 01:11:02.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: collected ₱958.3 asr-000970 01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:04.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: million. asr-000971 01:11:06.120 --> 01:11:08.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And the bulk of the asr-000972 01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:10.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: SRF or supervision asr-000973 01:11:10.380 --> 01:11:12.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and regulatory fee collections asr-000974 01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:14.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: are expected by end of asr-000975 01:11:14.700 --> 01:11:16.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: September 2026. asr-000976 01:11:16.620 --> 01:11:18.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So we are expecting asr-000977 01:11:18.480 --> 01:11:20.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that we will surpass the asr-000978 01:11:20.040 --> 01:11:22.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2.3 billion revenue asr-000979 01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:24.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the entire year. asr-000980 01:11:24.780 --> 01:11:26.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So as you can see, the ERC asr-000981 01:11:26.500 --> 01:11:28.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is a net revenue generator, asr-000982 01:11:28.540 --> 01:11:30.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a cash machine for the government. asr-000983 01:11:31.740 --> 01:11:32.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: This budget request asr-000984 01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:34.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of 1.7 billion is more asr-000985 01:11:34.820 --> 01:11:36.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: than offset by what we asr-000986 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:38.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: return to the asr-000987 01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:40.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Treasury. That will be the end asr-000988 01:11:40.700 --> 01:11:42.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of my presentation, Madam Chair, asr-000989 01:11:42.780 --> 01:11:43.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Honorable Senators. asr-000990 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:52.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you so much, asr-000991 01:11:52.580 --> 01:11:54.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Attorney Wan. I want to recognize asr-000992 01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:56.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: our Senate President, asr-000993 01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:58.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Senator Sherwin Gatchalian, asr-000994 01:11:58.820 --> 01:12:00.820 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: former Chairman also of the Committee on Energy, asr-000995 01:12:01.220 --> 01:12:02.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and of course, our Majority Floor Leader, asr-000996 01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:04.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: also former Senate President, asr-000997 01:12:05.100 --> 01:12:06.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Migz Zubiri. Hindi pa naman asr-000998 01:12:06.500 --> 01:12:07.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: naging Chairman ng Committee on Energy. asr-000999 01:12:07.860 --> 01:12:10.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But on that note, asr-001000 01:12:11.240 --> 01:12:12.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Senator Subiri would like to make asr-001001 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:14.400 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: some remarks. asr-001002 01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:36.760 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Okay, better. asr-001003 01:12:36.940 --> 01:12:37.820 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Much better. Thank you. asr-001004 01:12:38.320 --> 01:12:40.700 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I'm just here. I'm not going to ask any questions asr-001005 01:12:40.700 --> 01:12:41.620 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to the DOE and asr-001006 01:12:41.620 --> 01:12:44.020 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: of course to ERC. asr-001007 01:12:44.020 --> 01:12:46.180 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: As far as I'm concerned, they're doing the best asr-001008 01:12:46.180 --> 01:12:48.140 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: that they can with whatever we have asr-001009 01:12:48.140 --> 01:12:50.140 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: going on around the world asr-001010 01:12:50.140 --> 01:12:52.300 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: nowadays with the war asr-001011 01:12:52.300 --> 01:12:53.020 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: in the Middle East. asr-001012 01:12:53.740 --> 01:12:56.100 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I'd just like to greet Secretary Sharon asr-001013 01:12:56.100 --> 01:12:58.040 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Garin. A pleasant good afternoon, asr-001014 01:12:58.180 --> 01:13:00.240 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Madam. Of course, asr-001015 01:13:00.400 --> 01:13:02.120 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to the head of the ERC and all the asr-001016 01:13:02.120 --> 01:13:02.800 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: members of the ERC. asr-001017 01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:04.940 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: All the undersecretaries of the DOE. asr-001018 01:13:06.340 --> 01:13:08.060 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Just maybe one, asr-001019 01:13:08.400 --> 01:13:09.340 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: 'Yung Philatom asr-001020 01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:11.780 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: hindi po sa kanila, Madam. There's a new asr-001021 01:13:11.780 --> 01:13:13.260 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: agency called Philatom, asr-001022 01:13:13.740 --> 01:13:15.720 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: and I know I'm assisting asr-001023 01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.400 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the DOE asr-001024 01:13:18.400 --> 01:13:19.580 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: on certain asr-001025 01:13:19.580 --> 01:13:22.040 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: treaties, which is asr-001026 01:13:22.040 --> 01:13:23.960 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the nuclear treaties, the four asr-001027 01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:25.900 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: nuclear treaties, but we had to asr-001028 01:13:25.900 --> 01:13:28.000 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: suspend, Secretary, we had to suspend asr-001029 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.100 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the deliberation because the questions asr-001030 01:13:30.100 --> 01:13:31.960 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: were actually on Philatom, and asr-001031 01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:34.200 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: since we don't have yet, I think we don't have yet asr-001032 01:13:34.200 --> 01:13:35.800 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: a, yeah, maybe we recognize asr-001033 01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:37.580 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Secretary, really just quick answer. asr-001034 01:13:38.120 --> 01:13:39.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, the Philatom asr-001035 01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:42.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ay naipasa nang batas, asr-001036 01:13:42.020 --> 01:13:44.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: but the commissioners haven't been asr-001037 01:13:44.080 --> 01:13:46.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: appointed yet. Technically, asr-001038 01:13:46.580 --> 01:13:47.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's under asr-001039 01:13:47.480 --> 01:13:49.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the Office of the President. asr-001040 01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:52.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: What's the role of DOE asr-001041 01:13:52.380 --> 01:13:54.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on this? DOE is involved asr-001042 01:13:54.460 --> 01:13:56.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because it is the chair of asr-001043 01:13:56.340 --> 01:13:57.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the NEPYAC, asr-001044 01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Nuclear Energy Program Interagency asr-001045 01:14:00.340 --> 01:14:01.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Committee, and the, asr-001046 01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:03.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the NEPYAC asr-001047 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:05.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: is the one overseeing asr-001048 01:14:05.580 --> 01:14:07.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: everything that's nuclear-related. So, this is asr-001049 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:10.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nuclear-related. We also, asr-001050 01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:11.740 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: only to the extent of, like, asr-001051 01:14:11.780 --> 01:14:13.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: capacity building, organizing the whole thing, asr-001052 01:14:13.900 --> 01:14:16.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: but the appointments and the internals asr-001053 01:14:16.080 --> 01:14:17.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and the Philatom, that's not within the asr-001054 01:14:17.900 --> 01:14:19.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOE. Maybe more of the OST path asr-001055 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:20.560 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: than DOE. asr-001055-split-2 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:21.640 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Okay, thank you. asr-001056 01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:23.820 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Yeah, just, we'll have to remind, I guess, asr-001057 01:14:23.900 --> 01:14:25.780 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the executive that there's asr-001058 01:14:25.780 --> 01:14:27.880 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: that law created Philatom, and asr-001059 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:28.640 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: we need to appoint asr-001060 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:31.940 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the head of Philatom as soon as possible, asr-001061 01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:33.740 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: so that we can discuss all these other asr-001062 01:14:33.740 --> 01:14:34.500 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: policies. Yeah. asr-001063 01:14:35.480 --> 01:14:37.760 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Mahirap yun, ha? Napakahirap maghanap kaya ng asr-001064 01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:39.320 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: nuclear physicist or asr-001065 01:14:39.320 --> 01:14:42.040 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: some sort of expert on, what do you asr-001066 01:14:42.040 --> 01:14:43.360 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: think? Wala akong kaibigan, actually. asr-001067 01:14:43.740 --> 01:14:45.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ako din, wala din akong kilala. asr-001068 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:46.060 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: But, asr-001069 01:14:46.180 --> 01:14:49.780 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: except for Congressman asr-001070 01:14:49.780 --> 01:14:51.440 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Mark Cojuangco, who is a nuclear asr-001071 01:14:51.440 --> 01:14:53.980 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: proponent. He's the only one asr-001072 01:14:53.980 --> 01:14:55.340 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I know whenever I think nuclear. asr-001073 01:14:56.120 --> 01:14:57.680 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: But, yes, so that's it. asr-001074 01:14:57.920 --> 01:14:59.900 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: But I'm here to support the budget of the DOE. asr-001075 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.360 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to support them, not only asr-001076 01:15:02.360 --> 01:15:04.640 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: financial support but also asr-001077 01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:06.680 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: moral support because I know it's a difficult asr-001078 01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:08.400 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: time and they're being asr-001079 01:15:08.400 --> 01:15:10.220 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: ganged up but asr-001080 01:15:10.220 --> 01:15:12.300 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: at no fault of theirs asr-001081 01:15:12.300 --> 01:15:14.600 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: because really, we cannot control asr-001082 01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:16.560 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the factors that are happening in the Middle East asr-001083 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:18.560 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Your Honors, and I'd like asr-001084 01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:20.500 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to also support the budget of the asr-001085 01:15:20.500 --> 01:15:22.580 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: ERC and all the other attached agencies asr-001086 01:15:22.580 --> 01:15:24.460 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: of the Department of Energy. Just asr-001087 01:15:24.460 --> 01:15:26.000 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: ano lang, Madam Chair, really quick, asr-001088 01:15:26.540 --> 01:15:28.560 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: this is for my Bukidnon Airport, asr-001089 01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:30.380 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: we put funds, Sania. asr-001090 01:15:30.940 --> 01:15:32.520 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Good to see you, Chairman asr-001091 01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:33.700 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Administrator Almeda. asr-001092 01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:37.040 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Permission to respond, Ma'am. asr-001093 01:15:38.540 --> 01:15:38.920 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Sen, asr-001094 01:15:39.060 --> 01:15:40.800 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: just to give you a asr-001095 01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:41.700 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: update, asr-001096 01:15:43.340 --> 01:15:44.320 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: FIBEKO already asr-001097 01:15:44.320 --> 01:15:46.580 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: procured a 10 asr-001098 01:15:46.580 --> 01:15:48.300 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: MVA substation asr-001099 01:15:48.300 --> 01:15:50.640 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: that will be situated in asr-001100 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:52.560 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Don Carlos, dedicated asr-001101 01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:54.700 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to the Bukidnon Airport. asr-001102 01:15:55.500 --> 01:15:56.540 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: The congressional asr-001103 01:15:56.540 --> 01:15:58.400 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: initiative of 20 million asr-001104 01:15:58.400 --> 01:16:00.020 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: is about to be approved already asr-001105 01:16:00.020 --> 01:16:02.000 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: so about to be implemented asr-001106 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.540 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: so initially, there was asr-001107 01:16:04.540 --> 01:16:04.920 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: a asr-001108 01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:07.920 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: there was a asr-001109 01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:09.700 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: forecast of asr-001110 01:16:09.700 --> 01:16:11.760 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: initial load projection of asr-001111 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:14.480 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: 3 megawatts and asr-001112 01:16:14.480 --> 01:16:16.220 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: eventually to increase to asr-001113 01:16:16.220 --> 01:16:18.280 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: 5 megawatts. Let me assure you that asr-001114 01:16:18.280 --> 01:16:20.160 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: FIBEKO is ready to accommodate asr-001115 01:16:20.160 --> 01:16:21.960 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the load demand. asr-001116 01:16:22.480 --> 01:16:23.860 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Thank you, Madam Chair, asr-001117 01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:26.300 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Sir Almeda. That's what you asr-001118 01:16:26.300 --> 01:16:28.320 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: call the good initiatives done by the asr-001119 01:16:28.320 --> 01:16:30.320 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Senate. We put the asr-001120 01:16:30.320 --> 01:16:32.220 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: funds just last year for asr-001121 01:16:32.220 --> 01:16:34.260 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: 20 million to the construction of asr-001122 01:16:34.260 --> 01:16:35.820 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: distribution line for Bukidnon Airport. asr-001123 01:16:36.280 --> 01:16:38.420 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Thank you for that update. More power asr-001124 01:16:38.420 --> 01:16:40.460 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to you, Sir, and hopefully we can land. asr-001125 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:42.140 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I will invite all of you to land there asr-001126 01:16:42.140 --> 01:16:44.060 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: pag natapos na yung aming Bukidnon Airport. asr-001127 01:16:44.540 --> 01:16:45.960 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Thank you, Pa. Kung kailangan niyong asr-001128 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:47.720 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: bumisita ng North Cotabato, asr-001129 01:16:48.020 --> 01:16:50.340 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: ng Wao, Lanosur, asr-001130 01:16:50.480 --> 01:16:52.380 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: or even the southern part of asr-001131 01:16:52.380 --> 01:16:54.660 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Davao, which is the Buda area, asr-001132 01:16:55.260 --> 01:16:56.400 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: dyan na po kayo mag-landing asr-001133 01:16:56.400 --> 01:16:58.060 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: sa amin. So, once again, asr-001134 01:16:58.320 --> 01:16:59.920 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: may salamat. I have nothing but asr-001135 01:16:59.920 --> 01:17:01.860 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: full support to the budgets of these asr-001136 01:17:01.860 --> 01:17:03.100 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: departments. Thank you. asr-001137 01:17:03.260 --> 01:17:06.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. The Majority Floor asr-001138 01:17:06.220 --> 01:17:08.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Leader might have to leave soon. So, before asr-001139 01:17:08.240 --> 01:17:10.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I give the floor to the Chairman of the asr-001140 01:17:10.100 --> 01:17:12.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Committee on Energy, sabi niya full support. asr-001141 01:17:12.360 --> 01:17:13.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, sasabihin ko na sa kanya at habang asr-001142 01:17:13.980 --> 01:17:16.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nandito ang Senate President, ang asr-001143 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:18.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: current Chairman ng Committee on Energy, and the asr-001144 01:17:18.020 --> 01:17:20.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Majority Floor Leader, ako na magsasabi asr-001145 01:17:20.020 --> 01:17:22.160 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: para mabilis yung inyong mga budgetary requests. asr-001146 01:17:22.280 --> 01:17:24.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay? Huwag kayong maingay asr-001147 01:17:24.020 --> 01:17:25.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: para full attention sila. asr-001148 01:17:26.780 --> 01:17:28.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, mas malaki ng asr-001149 01:17:28.120 --> 01:17:29.440 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: konti ito sa 20 milyon. asr-001150 01:17:30.460 --> 01:17:32.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yung sa, ano, NEA, asr-001151 01:17:32.400 --> 01:17:33.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kay, ano, kay asr-001152 01:17:33.660 --> 01:17:35.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Chairman Almeda, asr-001153 01:17:36.240 --> 01:17:37.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: they need 7 billion asr-001154 01:17:37.780 --> 01:17:40.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for, to implement the Systems asr-001155 01:17:40.060 --> 01:17:41.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Loss Reduction Program, kasi asr-001156 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:43.580 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: tatamaan talaga dito yung mga asr-001157 01:17:43.580 --> 01:17:45.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: cooperatives. Now, this is asr-001158 01:17:45.980 --> 01:17:48.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for the removal, asr-001159 01:17:48.460 --> 01:17:49.900 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: reduction of the non-technical asr-001160 01:17:49.900 --> 01:17:51.900 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: systems losses. And then, in asr-001161 01:17:51.900 --> 01:17:54.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: addition, they have a 3 billion request asr-001162 01:17:54.280 --> 01:17:56.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for line enhancement of ailing asr-001163 01:17:56.120 --> 01:17:57.960 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: electric cooperatives. We can asr-001164 01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ask later for details na lang. I'm just putting asr-001165 01:18:00.040 --> 01:18:02.160 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: it here now habang kumpleto asr-001166 01:18:02.160 --> 01:18:03.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pa 'tong powerhouse natin. asr-001167 01:18:04.400 --> 01:18:05.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then, asr-001168 01:18:06.220 --> 01:18:08.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ERC, nabanggit na, pero asr-001169 01:18:08.120 --> 01:18:10.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: uulitin ko na lang, it's asr-001170 01:18:10.040 --> 01:18:11.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 728 million lang naman. asr-001171 01:18:12.160 --> 01:18:13.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Hindi man lang umabot sa billion asr-001172 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:16.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: para, ano, magawa asr-001173 01:18:16.020 --> 01:18:18.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nila lahat nitong, nothing asr-001174 01:18:18.120 --> 01:18:20.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: new, but yung mga kailangan nilang gawin. asr-001175 01:18:20.180 --> 01:18:21.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: This is for MOOE and asr-001176 01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:23.940 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: capital outlay. Hindi ko na iisahin, asr-001177 01:18:24.100 --> 01:18:26.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pero the letter, I can asr-001178 01:18:26.060 --> 01:18:27.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: give everyone a copy. It's addressed to asr-001179 01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:29.960 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Chairman J.V. asr-001180 01:18:30.040 --> 01:18:31.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ejercito. And then, asr-001181 01:18:33.280 --> 01:18:35.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: NPC, meron ba sa mga asr-001182 01:18:35.980 --> 01:18:37.440 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: GIDAS and ano? asr-001183 01:18:37.980 --> 01:18:38.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Or may pera ka na? asr-001184 01:18:39.340 --> 01:18:42.020 NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: Wala pong pera. Hiningi sa special asr-001185 01:18:42.020 --> 01:18:42.820 NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: provision po. asr-001185-split-2 01:18:42.820 --> 01:18:44.300 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ah, special provision. asr-001186 01:18:44.320 --> 01:18:45.100 NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: Susulat po kami. asr-001186-split-2 01:18:45.100 --> 01:18:46.200 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But with the special asr-001187 01:18:46.200 --> 01:18:47.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: provision, okay na. asr-001188 01:18:47.700 --> 01:18:49.540 NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: Just the special provision para lang asr-001189 01:18:49.540 --> 01:18:51.050 NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: mga chairperson. asr-001189-split-2 01:18:51.050 --> 01:18:51.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Madali yun. asr-001190 01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:54.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. So, on that note, that's on asr-001191 01:18:54.040 --> 01:18:56.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: record. I will now give the floor asr-001192 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:57.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to the Chairperson. asr-001193 01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:59.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Chairman of the Committee on Energy, Senator asr-001194 01:18:59.320 --> 01:19:00.900 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ay, did I forget something? asr-001195 01:19:01.440 --> 01:19:02.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Senator Tulfo, you have the floor. asr-001196 01:19:03.480 --> 01:19:04.960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you, Madam Chair. asr-001197 01:19:05.260 --> 01:19:07.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I would just like to direct my question first. asr-001198 01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:08.680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Dito po sa asr-001199 01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:11.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Administrator ng National asr-001200 01:19:11.540 --> 01:19:13.820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Electrification Administration. asr-001201 01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:16.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Administrator, asr-001202 01:19:16.300 --> 01:19:17.680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Almeda, yung pong asr-001203 01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:19.500 Senator Erwin Tulfo: 7 billion, ano ho ito? asr-001204 01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Is this ikang asr-001205 01:19:21.220 --> 01:19:23.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: subsidy? Is it a grant that you're asr-001206 01:19:23.580 --> 01:19:25.860 Senator Erwin Tulfo: asking? Or ito po ba ipatautang asr-001207 01:19:25.860 --> 01:19:27.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa mga cooperative natin? asr-001208 01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:30.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Para saan po ito? Pakipaliwanag nga. asr-001209 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:31.380 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Your Honors, asr-001210 01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:33.700 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the 7 billion is asr-001211 01:19:33.700 --> 01:19:34.940 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: a fund asr-001212 01:19:34.940 --> 01:19:37.640 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: in addition to the asr-001213 01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:39.820 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: loan equity fund of the asr-001214 01:19:39.820 --> 01:19:41.840 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: National Electrification Administration asr-001215 01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:44.020 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to loan to the asr-001216 01:19:44.020 --> 01:19:45.920 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: electric cooperatives to cushion asr-001217 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:47.880 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the effect asr-001218 01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:49.900 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: of the elimination of the asr-001219 01:19:49.900 --> 01:19:51.480 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: non-technical system losses. asr-001220 01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:54.040 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: The elimination asr-001221 01:19:54.040 --> 01:19:55.760 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: of the non-technical system losses asr-001222 01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:57.440 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: would entail a lot of asr-001223 01:19:57.440 --> 01:19:58.520 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: expenditures. asr-001224 01:19:59.940 --> 01:20:01.220 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Case in point, asr-001225 01:20:01.740 --> 01:20:03.600 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the electric cooperatives will have asr-001226 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.400 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to do a lot of metering asr-001227 01:20:05.400 --> 01:20:07.820 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: requirements. May metrohan asr-001228 01:20:07.820 --> 01:20:09.660 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: po yung lahat ng walang metro. asr-001229 01:20:10.420 --> 01:20:11.960 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Lahat ho ng nagnanakaw asr-001230 01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:13.640 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ay puputulan at lalagyan asr-001231 01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:14.940 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ho ng panibagong metro. asr-001232 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.060 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Yun po ang aming asr-001233 01:20:17.060 --> 01:20:19.040 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: na-design yung plano asr-001234 01:20:19.040 --> 01:20:21.520 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: that will be involved asr-001235 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:22.640 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: in four stages. asr-001236 01:20:23.660 --> 01:20:25.800 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: And the implementation asr-001237 01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:27.320 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: will be in phases. asr-001238 01:20:27.320 --> 01:20:29.920 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Kinantify po namin asr-001239 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:32.820 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang funding requirement asr-001240 01:20:32.820 --> 01:20:34.100 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: para maka-cope up asr-001241 01:20:34.100 --> 01:20:35.600 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang mga electric cooperatives asr-001242 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:38.220 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: on phase 1, which will be asr-001243 01:20:38.220 --> 01:20:40.020 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the reduction of the asr-001244 01:20:40.020 --> 01:20:42.600 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: non-technical system losses to 25%, asr-001245 01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:43.780 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: it will entail asr-001246 01:20:43.780 --> 01:20:45.620 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: more or less about asr-001247 01:20:45.620 --> 01:20:46.440 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: 4 billion asr-001248 01:20:46.440 --> 01:20:50.820 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: in capital asr-001249 01:20:50.820 --> 01:20:52.900 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: expenditure. asr-001250 01:20:53.380 --> 01:20:53.980 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Phase 2, asr-001251 01:20:54.580 --> 01:20:56.020 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: pagdating po ng phase 2, asr-001252 01:20:57.160 --> 01:20:57.300 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang pag-aaral, asr-001253 01:20:57.320 --> 01:20:58.880 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang projection po namin ay pwede asr-001254 01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.480 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: nang bawasan ng 50% asr-001255 01:21:00.480 --> 01:21:02.180 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang non-technical system losses. asr-001256 01:21:02.580 --> 01:21:04.900 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: It will again entail about 1 billion asr-001257 01:21:04.900 --> 01:21:07.160 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: of capital and expenditure. asr-001258 01:21:08.020 --> 01:21:09.060 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: And phase 3, asr-001259 01:21:09.620 --> 01:21:11.160 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: pagdumating na po sa phase 3, asr-001260 01:21:11.320 --> 01:21:13.320 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: pwede na po natin tanggalin ng 75% asr-001261 01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:15.860 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ng non-technical system losses. asr-001262 01:21:16.420 --> 01:21:17.520 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Another 1 billion. asr-001263 01:21:18.120 --> 01:21:19.280 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: And at the last phase, asr-001264 01:21:19.580 --> 01:21:21.740 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: where there will be a total elimination asr-001265 01:21:21.740 --> 01:21:23.520 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: of the non-technical system losses, asr-001266 01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:26.160 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: meaning 100% na po ang tatanggalin natin, asr-001267 01:21:26.160 --> 01:21:27.200 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: it will entail asr-001268 01:21:27.200 --> 01:21:28.660 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: another 1.5 billion. asr-001269 01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:30.740 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: A total of 7.5 billion, sir. asr-001270 01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:32.860 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you po, asr-001271 01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:34.720 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Administrator Almeda. asr-001272 01:21:35.140 --> 01:21:36.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Now, when I came in, asr-001273 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.340 Senator Erwin Tulfo: it was Yusek Ruena Guevara asr-001274 01:21:39.340 --> 01:21:41.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: making a presentation asr-001275 01:21:41.100 --> 01:21:42.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: about solar energy. asr-001276 01:21:42.900 --> 01:21:43.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Undersecretary, asr-001277 01:21:44.360 --> 01:21:47.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: what is the lifetime of solar panels? asr-001278 01:21:48.360 --> 01:21:48.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kasi mukhang asr-001279 01:21:48.980 --> 01:21:50.720 Senator Erwin Tulfo: papunta na po tayo doon eh. asr-001280 01:21:51.260 --> 01:21:52.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So ano po ang asr-001281 01:21:52.040 --> 01:21:54.140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: lifetime asr-001282 01:21:54.140 --> 01:21:56.440 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng existence asr-001283 01:21:56.440 --> 01:21:57.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng solar panels? asr-001284 01:21:57.200 --> 01:22:00.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Senator, yung mga bagong labas asr-001285 01:22:00.580 --> 01:22:02.220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ay mga 25 years po. asr-001286 01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:04.400 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Okay. Kasi ma'am, asr-001287 01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:06.380 Senator Erwin Tulfo: meron na po ba tayong asr-001288 01:22:06.380 --> 01:22:08.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: pinag-aaralan, how do we asr-001289 01:22:08.480 --> 01:22:10.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: dispose them kung hindi asr-001290 01:22:10.580 --> 01:22:12.420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: natin ma-reuse? Because I was asr-001291 01:22:12.420 --> 01:22:14.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: just talking to some Japanese asr-001292 01:22:14.280 --> 01:22:15.860 Senator Erwin Tulfo: legislators kanina asr-001293 01:22:15.860 --> 01:22:18.360 Senator Erwin Tulfo: and he is assigned with asr-001294 01:22:18.360 --> 01:22:20.220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: the Committee on Energy nila asr-001295 01:22:20.220 --> 01:22:21.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa Senate. And ito po yung asr-001296 01:22:21.980 --> 01:22:23.500 Senator Erwin Tulfo: pinag-aaralan ng Senate nila, asr-001297 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:25.820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: how to dispose them properly? asr-001298 01:22:25.820 --> 01:22:27.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kasi nga may life, asr-001299 01:22:27.200 --> 01:22:29.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: time lang po eh. Hindi naman daw po ito asr-001300 01:22:29.300 --> 01:22:31.160 Senator Erwin Tulfo: basta-basta ibabaon lang sa lupa asr-001301 01:22:31.160 --> 01:22:32.700 Senator Erwin Tulfo: o itapon lang. asr-001302 01:22:33.240 --> 01:22:35.220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kaya they're looking for ways. asr-001303 01:22:35.300 --> 01:22:37.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Are we doing that now? Are we studying? asr-001304 01:22:37.460 --> 01:22:39.240 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Paano pag 25 years asr-001305 01:22:39.240 --> 01:22:40.760 Senator Erwin Tulfo: tapos na ito, kailangan ko na palitan, asr-001306 01:22:40.860 --> 01:22:43.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: itapon ito. Tatapon lang ba ito? asr-001307 01:22:43.480 --> 01:22:45.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ibabaon? Pinag-aaralan nyo na asr-001308 01:22:45.260 --> 01:22:47.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: at this point, how you will, asr-001309 01:22:47.300 --> 01:22:49.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: how we will dispose all of asr-001310 01:22:49.300 --> 01:22:51.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: this solar panels, ma'am? asr-001311 01:22:51.900 --> 01:22:52.880 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Thank you for that question. asr-001312 01:22:53.360 --> 01:22:55.120 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Meron po tayong Renewable Energy asr-001313 01:22:55.120 --> 01:22:57.080 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Trust Fund wherein we fund asr-001314 01:22:57.080 --> 01:22:59.260 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: studies. May dalawa pong asr-001315 01:22:59.260 --> 01:23:01.460 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: universities na mag-uumpisang mag-aral asr-001316 01:23:01.460 --> 01:23:03.280 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: po niyan sometime before the asr-001317 01:23:03.280 --> 01:23:05.420 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: end of the year po. Tamang-tama, asr-001318 01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:07.240 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: 2015 kasi po tayo nag-start asr-001319 01:23:07.240 --> 01:23:09.180 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: ng solar. Ay mga lifetime asr-001320 01:23:09.180 --> 01:23:10.760 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: ng mga yan, 15 to 20. asr-001321 01:23:11.100 --> 01:23:13.600 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So by 2030, in place na po yung technologies asr-001322 01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:15.220 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: na gagamitin natin for asr-001323 01:23:15.220 --> 01:23:17.120 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: sometimes yung ibang parts kasi asr-001324 01:23:17.120 --> 01:23:19.120 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: pwedeng i-reuse. Yung ibang asr-001325 01:23:19.120 --> 01:23:21.320 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: parts pwedeng i-recycle. Tapos asr-001326 01:23:21.320 --> 01:23:23.320 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: yung ibang parts, you have to do something asr-001327 01:23:23.320 --> 01:23:24.940 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: else to change the form po. asr-001328 01:23:26.180 --> 01:23:27.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung something, asr-001329 01:23:27.080 --> 01:23:28.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: something else, anong gagawin doon? asr-001330 01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:30.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung reuse, okay po tayo. asr-001331 01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:32.960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung ika nga, recycle. Pero asr-001332 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:35.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung other parts na hindi mo pwedeng i-reuse, asr-001333 01:23:35.440 --> 01:23:36.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: i-recycle, ano po mangyayari? asr-001334 01:23:36.860 --> 01:23:39.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Hindi naman natin pwedeng ibaon sa lupa asr-001335 01:23:39.040 --> 01:23:39.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: o i-tapon. asr-001335-split-2 01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:41.160 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Ang gagawin po asr-001336 01:23:41.160 --> 01:23:42.900 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: doon sa dalawang studies ay asr-001337 01:23:42.900 --> 01:23:44.540 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: ang tawag nila green asr-001338 01:23:44.540 --> 01:23:46.880 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: processing. Ipa-process po asr-001339 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:48.760 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: para ma-extract yung mga asr-001340 01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:50.840 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: iba't ibang chemicals asr-001341 01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:52.700 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: na present doon sa hindi asr-001342 01:23:52.700 --> 01:23:54.540 DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: ma-recycle at hindi ma-reuse. asr-001343 01:23:54.540 --> 01:23:55.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Alright, thank you Yusef. asr-001344 01:23:57.080 --> 01:23:59.000 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I'll direct my question now to asr-001345 01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:00.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Secretary Garin. Secretary, asr-001346 01:24:01.320 --> 01:24:03.400 Senator Erwin Tulfo: the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company asr-001347 01:24:03.400 --> 01:24:05.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: is asr-001348 01:24:05.200 --> 01:24:07.700 Senator Erwin Tulfo: and na-mention ko asr-001349 01:24:07.700 --> 01:24:09.160 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ito sa last hearing po natin, asr-001350 01:24:09.240 --> 01:24:11.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: is really volunteering to asr-001351 01:24:11.180 --> 01:24:13.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: put up storage facilities. asr-001352 01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:14.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: As a matter of fact, asr-001353 01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:17.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa three main islands natin, isa sa asr-001354 01:24:17.040 --> 01:24:19.000 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Luzon, isa sa Visayas, asr-001355 01:24:19.080 --> 01:24:21.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa Mindanao, ang kailangan asr-001356 01:24:21.180 --> 01:24:23.320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: lang nila po sa atin ay yung lupa asr-001357 01:24:23.320 --> 01:24:24.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung saan sila maglalagay. asr-001358 01:24:25.300 --> 01:24:26.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: And I was talking to them initially, asr-001359 01:24:27.080 --> 01:24:28.760 Senator Erwin Tulfo: they're saying they can put up like about asr-001360 01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:30.720 Senator Erwin Tulfo: 50 million asr-001361 01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:33.340 Senator Erwin Tulfo: barrels asr-001362 01:24:33.340 --> 01:24:35.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: dito po storage asr-001363 01:24:35.300 --> 01:24:36.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: per area. asr-001364 01:24:37.040 --> 01:24:38.820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ang lupa, alam po kailangan, pero asr-001365 01:24:38.820 --> 01:24:41.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: they will pay for all of it, construction, asr-001366 01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:43.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: pati po yung paglalagay ng laman. asr-001367 01:24:44.300 --> 01:24:45.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: And then sabi ko, what do we asr-001368 01:24:45.280 --> 01:24:46.680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: get out of that? Sabi nila, asr-001369 01:24:47.200 --> 01:24:49.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: well, you will be, kung magkakaproblema asr-001370 01:24:49.580 --> 01:24:51.020 Senator Erwin Tulfo: man sa mga oil, kagaya nang asr-001371 01:24:51.020 --> 01:24:52.720 Senator Erwin Tulfo: nangyari ngayon, kayo ang unang asr-001372 01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:55.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: makikinabang because nandyan sa lugar asr-001373 01:24:55.280 --> 01:24:57.060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ninyo, it's a storage facility. asr-001374 01:24:57.080 --> 01:24:58.900 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kung 50 million asr-001375 01:24:58.900 --> 01:25:00.360 Senator Erwin Tulfo: barrels, actually, asr-001376 01:25:01.100 --> 01:25:03.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: that's about 150 asr-001377 01:25:03.040 --> 01:25:03.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: million po asr-001378 01:25:03.980 --> 01:25:07.380 Senator Erwin Tulfo: storage. And we consume asr-001379 01:25:07.380 --> 01:25:08.900 Senator Erwin Tulfo: about 450,000 asr-001380 01:25:08.900 --> 01:25:10.720 Senator Erwin Tulfo: barrels per day. So, asr-001381 01:25:10.900 --> 01:25:12.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: madiyak malaki ho. And then asr-001382 01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:14.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Saudi Arabia is also interested. asr-001383 01:25:15.400 --> 01:25:16.960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ano na ho nangyayari doon, ma'am? asr-001384 01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:19.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, asr-001385 01:25:19.580 --> 01:25:19.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes, asr-001386 01:25:20.940 --> 01:25:22.740 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: numerous yung asr-001387 01:25:22.740 --> 01:25:25.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: advantages of having our own asr-001388 01:25:25.180 --> 01:25:26.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserve or being a regional asr-001389 01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:28.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserve also for asr-001390 01:25:28.120 --> 01:25:30.240 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ASEAN or ASIA. asr-001391 01:25:31.180 --> 01:25:33.220 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: There are many advantages, asr-001392 01:25:33.420 --> 01:25:35.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: not only for energy security, pero asr-001393 01:25:35.200 --> 01:25:37.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: medyo protected tayo asr-001394 01:25:37.500 --> 01:25:39.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sa mga inflation, sa mga asr-001395 01:25:39.340 --> 01:25:41.700 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: currency exchange na impact niyan. asr-001396 01:25:42.400 --> 01:25:43.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: As to the asr-001397 01:25:43.500 --> 01:25:45.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: interest, we are not asr-001398 01:25:45.420 --> 01:25:47.560 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: lacking in interest in putting asr-001399 01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:49.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: up the stockpiling asr-001400 01:25:49.860 --> 01:25:51.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: here. I'll have, if asr-001401 01:25:51.120 --> 01:25:53.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: you, asr-001402 01:25:53.440 --> 01:25:55.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sandy Salas, can answer the rest of the asr-001403 01:25:55.620 --> 01:25:56.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: question. asr-001404 01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.460 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Yes, sir. Maraming asr-001405 01:25:59.460 --> 01:26:01.420 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang interesado. In fact, asr-001406 01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:02.720 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang asr-001407 01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:05.620 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: nag-meet po tayo with asr-001408 01:26:05.620 --> 01:26:07.580 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Adnok at saka si Saudi asr-001409 01:26:07.580 --> 01:26:09.520 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Aramco through the efforts din asr-001410 01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:10.820 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng Japanese government asr-001411 01:26:10.820 --> 01:26:13.620 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na nagkaroon ng asr-001412 01:26:13.620 --> 01:26:15.680 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: separate meetings with Japan asr-001413 01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:17.720 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sitting in as asr-001414 01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:19.420 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: the third party. asr-001415 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:21.320 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, nakausap na natin ang asr-001416 01:26:21.320 --> 01:26:23.340 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Saudi and the Saudi Aramco asr-001417 01:26:23.340 --> 01:26:25.740 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: for the second meeting kahapon lang po. asr-001418 01:26:25.740 --> 01:26:27.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Nire-iterate po nila. asr-001419 01:26:27.900 --> 01:26:29.460 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And then, in-schedule natin yung asr-001420 01:26:29.460 --> 01:26:31.600 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: second meeting with Adnok. asr-001421 01:26:32.220 --> 01:26:33.600 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Along the same lines, ang asr-001422 01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:35.700 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: kanilang mga proposal na asr-001423 01:26:35.700 --> 01:26:37.380 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: maglagay ng forward asr-001424 01:26:37.380 --> 01:26:39.740 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: storage. This will asr-001425 01:26:39.740 --> 01:26:41.580 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: be their commercial storage asr-001426 01:26:41.580 --> 01:26:43.840 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na mabibenta nila around the region asr-001427 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:45.380 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: and they will asr-001428 01:26:45.380 --> 01:26:46.960 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: spend for the asr-001429 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:49.420 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: setting up the facility asr-001430 01:26:49.420 --> 01:26:51.560 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: and yung produkto na asr-001431 01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:53.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ilalagay sa mga tangke. asr-001432 01:26:53.260 --> 01:26:55.180 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: At ang ating asr-001433 01:26:55.180 --> 01:26:57.400 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: interest will be asr-001434 01:26:57.400 --> 01:26:59.780 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: it gives us the flexibility asr-001435 01:26:59.780 --> 01:27:01.900 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: for how we handle asr-001436 01:27:01.900 --> 01:27:03.820 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung ating National Strategic asr-001437 01:27:03.820 --> 01:27:05.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Petroleum Reserve asr-001438 01:27:05.100 --> 01:27:07.880 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: because we could build alongside asr-001439 01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:09.320 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: para makatipid sa asr-001440 01:27:09.320 --> 01:27:11.600 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sarili nating tangke asr-001441 01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:13.120 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: or we could just asr-001442 01:27:13.120 --> 01:27:15.180 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: have arrangement with them asr-001443 01:27:15.180 --> 01:27:17.900 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: to have access sa product asr-001444 01:27:17.900 --> 01:27:19.960 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: so hindi na tayo gagasto asr-001445 01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:21.720 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa tangke mismo. asr-001446 01:27:22.220 --> 01:27:23.360 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Ang principal na asr-001447 01:27:23.360 --> 01:27:24.720 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: trabaho natin, asr-001448 01:27:25.180 --> 01:27:27.300 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na ginagawa namin ngayon is asr-001449 01:27:27.300 --> 01:27:29.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: i-scout yung available asr-001450 01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:31.160 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na lupa. Kasi asr-001451 01:27:31.160 --> 01:27:33.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: malaking lupa yung kailangan. asr-001452 01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:35.460 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So normally, sa malalaking asr-001453 01:27:35.460 --> 01:27:37.040 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tank, baka 1 million asr-001454 01:27:37.040 --> 01:27:39.060 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: barrels, mga 10 hectares po asr-001455 01:27:39.060 --> 01:27:41.040 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang kailangan because may mga asr-001456 01:27:41.040 --> 01:27:42.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: safety asr-001457 01:27:42.100 --> 01:27:45.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: considerations, yung layo nila, asr-001458 01:27:45.580 --> 01:27:46.940 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: magkakanal sa gitna asr-001459 01:27:46.940 --> 01:27:48.900 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: between the tanks. So asr-001460 01:27:48.900 --> 01:27:51.220 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: when you talk about that volume, asr-001461 01:27:51.400 --> 01:27:53.340 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung 50 million, malaking asr-001462 01:27:53.340 --> 01:27:55.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: area po yun. But we can asr-001463 01:27:55.260 --> 01:27:56.860 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: assure the committee asr-001464 01:27:56.860 --> 01:27:59.120 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: that yung interest asr-001465 01:27:59.120 --> 01:28:01.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: is very high and we are continually asr-001466 01:28:01.100 --> 01:28:01.940 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: engaging. asr-001467 01:28:05.160 --> 01:28:07.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: As per yung direction natin asr-001468 01:28:07.260 --> 01:28:08.860 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ngayon, meron po ng asr-001469 01:28:08.860 --> 01:28:11.220 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: working group ang department, asr-001470 01:28:11.900 --> 01:28:13.560 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: DOE and PNOC, asr-001471 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:14.740 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: which eventually asr-001472 01:28:14.740 --> 01:28:17.380 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: will be the implementing arm asr-001473 01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:18.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: para sa ating asr-001474 01:28:18.260 --> 01:28:20.840 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: petroleum reserve. In fact, asr-001475 01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:22.320 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: PNOC has already asr-001476 01:28:22.320 --> 01:28:24.560 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: spearheaded asr-001477 01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:27.020 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: even without pa itong asr-001478 01:28:27.020 --> 01:28:29.080 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mga agreements natin sa foreign asr-001479 01:28:29.080 --> 01:28:30.360 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: crude oil suppliers, asr-001480 01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:33.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: they are committing to build a 1 million asr-001481 01:28:33.100 --> 01:28:35.300 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: barrel facility sa lupa asr-001482 01:28:35.300 --> 01:28:36.920 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: po nila sa Bataan, asr-001483 01:28:37.360 --> 01:28:39.080 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: which strategically po asr-001484 01:28:39.080 --> 01:28:40.960 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: e katabi ng refinery asr-001485 01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:42.660 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa Bataan din. asr-001486 01:28:43.080 --> 01:28:45.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So maganda yung strategic position. asr-001487 01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:47.060 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: It was one of the points of asr-001488 01:28:47.060 --> 01:28:48.760 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: discussion po kahapon sa asr-001489 01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:51.240 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Saudi Aramco about asr-001490 01:28:51.240 --> 01:28:53.600 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: also using yung asr-001491 01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:55.880 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: area ni PNOC. asr-001492 01:28:56.520 --> 01:28:57.440 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Unfortunately, asr-001493 01:28:58.440 --> 01:28:59.400 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung interesting doon, pero asr-001494 01:28:59.400 --> 01:29:02.040 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: for the big 50 million, asr-001495 01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:04.220 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: maliit po yung lupa asr-001496 01:29:04.220 --> 01:29:06.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng PNOC kasi 150 asr-001497 01:29:06.280 --> 01:29:07.860 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: hectares lang asr-001498 01:29:07.860 --> 01:29:08.720 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang available. asr-001499 01:29:10.020 --> 01:29:11.700 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So if we just asr-001500 01:29:11.700 --> 01:29:14.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ballpark 50 million asr-001501 01:29:14.280 --> 01:29:16.340 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: barrels, 10 hectares asr-001502 01:29:16.340 --> 01:29:18.020 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: per million barrels, asr-001503 01:29:18.200 --> 01:29:20.160 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: 500 hectares po asr-001504 01:29:20.160 --> 01:29:21.080 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: para sa asr-001505 01:29:21.080 --> 01:29:22.020 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: 50 million. asr-001506 01:29:23.120 --> 01:29:25.360 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Hindi naman po sila, in our asr-001507 01:29:25.360 --> 01:29:27.520 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mind, not mutually exclusive asr-001508 01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:29.780 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: kung gusto ni Saudi Aramco, asr-001509 01:29:30.460 --> 01:29:31.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pwede pa rin si asr-001510 01:29:31.260 --> 01:29:32.680 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Adnoc kasi ang asr-001511 01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:35.300 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: initial vision naman nila is asr-001512 01:29:35.300 --> 01:29:37.340 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: commercial storage nila to sell asr-001513 01:29:37.340 --> 01:29:38.960 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: product. So asr-001514 01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:40.760 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: these are not mutually asr-001515 01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:43.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: exclusive for the two asr-001516 01:29:43.280 --> 01:29:44.160 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: entities. asr-001517 01:29:45.400 --> 01:29:47.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: My next question is, asr-001518 01:29:47.360 --> 01:29:49.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kailan ho kaya ito mangyayari? Because asr-001519 01:29:49.180 --> 01:29:50.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: these people are asr-001520 01:29:50.480 --> 01:29:52.700 Senator Erwin Tulfo: volunteering na, they're just waiting asr-001521 01:29:52.700 --> 01:29:55.360 Senator Erwin Tulfo: for us kung makapag-provide asr-001522 01:29:55.360 --> 01:29:56.900 Senator Erwin Tulfo: po tayo ng land. Alam nyo naman asr-001523 01:29:56.900 --> 01:29:58.740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: siguro, ano yung asr-001524 01:29:58.740 --> 01:29:59.740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ibig sabihin yan? asr-001525 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:01.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: meron tayong storage facilities asr-001526 01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:03.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng mga Dubai asr-001527 01:30:03.540 --> 01:30:05.620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: dito ng Saudi Arabia, asr-001528 01:30:06.340 --> 01:30:07.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: eh di na ho, magkagyera asr-001529 01:30:07.580 --> 01:30:09.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: man doon, magbombahan sa asr-001530 01:30:09.120 --> 01:30:10.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Strait of Hormuz, sa asr-001531 01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:12.440 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Arabian Sea, etc. asr-001532 01:30:13.180 --> 01:30:15.320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Eh meron ho tayong, ikang nandyan asr-001533 01:30:15.320 --> 01:30:16.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: na sa ating lupa, asr-001534 01:30:17.080 --> 01:30:18.760 Senator Erwin Tulfo: di na ho tayong mangangamba, asr-001535 01:30:19.220 --> 01:30:20.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: matataranta si Secretary Garin asr-001536 01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:23.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: pag meron namang gyera na makikiusap asr-001537 01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:25.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: magpapalimos, eh meron na tayo asr-001538 01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:27.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: dito. And the assurance asr-001539 01:30:27.560 --> 01:30:29.060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: from this government, like, asr-001540 01:30:29.060 --> 01:30:31.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kayo yung una pagbibintahan namin. asr-001541 01:30:31.260 --> 01:30:32.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, hindi tayo kakaba-kaba. asr-001542 01:30:32.700 --> 01:30:35.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, when do you think this will be possible, asr-001543 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:36.220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yusef? asr-001544 01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:38.980 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Yes, uh, una, sir, asr-001545 01:30:39.120 --> 01:30:41.000 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung paghanap ng lupa, and we asr-001546 01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:42.960 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: are actively, ang una namin asr-001547 01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:44.860 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tinignan actually was somewhere in asr-001548 01:30:44.860 --> 01:30:46.840 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Northern Mindanao, but mukhang asr-001549 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:49.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: hindi makukuha ng Department of Energy. asr-001550 01:30:50.060 --> 01:30:51.140 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, we have, asr-001551 01:30:51.300 --> 01:30:53.160 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: we're now looking at another asr-001552 01:30:53.160 --> 01:30:54.740 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: area in Zamboanga, asr-001553 01:30:55.140 --> 01:30:56.940 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: much larger. So, asr-001554 01:30:57.880 --> 01:30:59.020 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pupuntahan na rin namin asr-001555 01:30:59.020 --> 01:31:00.940 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: jointly with the PNOC. asr-001556 01:31:01.340 --> 01:31:03.220 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: But ang agreement namin is asr-001557 01:31:03.220 --> 01:31:05.360 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: to fast-track, because meron po, asr-001558 01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:07.600 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tama po kayo, may interested party. asr-001559 01:31:08.300 --> 01:31:09.840 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, pina-fast-track namin asr-001560 01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:12.120 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung identification at acquisition asr-001561 01:31:12.120 --> 01:31:13.620 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng lupa, para asr-001562 01:31:13.620 --> 01:31:15.300 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mailagay po itong mga asr-001563 01:31:15.300 --> 01:31:17.400 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: strategic reserves asr-001564 01:31:17.400 --> 01:31:19.020 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa bansa po natin. asr-001565 01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:21.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Right, thank you. Let me now direct my next asr-001566 01:31:21.780 --> 01:31:23.860 Senator Erwin Tulfo: question, if you would please, Madam Chair. asr-001567 01:31:24.460 --> 01:31:25.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Uh, Attorney Juan. asr-001568 01:31:26.200 --> 01:31:27.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sir, ang SAMELCO I, asr-001569 01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:28.600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: dito sa Samar, asr-001570 01:31:29.020 --> 01:31:31.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: regarding the WESM, asr-001571 01:31:31.660 --> 01:31:32.680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: particular po yung asr-001572 01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:36.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: exorbitant unjust pricing po. asr-001573 01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:37.700 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, what are you doing asr-001574 01:31:37.700 --> 01:31:39.960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: with this? Ito po yung nakarating na ho ba asr-001575 01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:40.320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa inyo? asr-001576 01:31:42.320 --> 01:31:43.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Madam Chair, asr-001577 01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:45.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yes po, nakarating sa atin. asr-001578 01:31:45.160 --> 01:31:47.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Dalawa yung naging kadahilanan asr-001579 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:48.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ng mataas na asr-001580 01:31:48.220 --> 01:31:50.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: singilan sa WESM these past asr-001581 01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:52.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: few months. asr-001582 01:31:53.060 --> 01:31:55.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And for the case of Samelco asr-001583 01:31:55.040 --> 01:31:55.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the other asr-001584 01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:58.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Visayas distribution utilities, asr-001585 01:31:59.020 --> 01:32:01.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the past few years, asr-001586 01:32:01.060 --> 01:32:03.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: whenever there's the congestion asr-001587 01:32:03.360 --> 01:32:05.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the interconnection lines, asr-001588 01:32:05.140 --> 01:32:07.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ito po yung line rental or yung asr-001589 01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:09.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: line loss and congestion charge asr-001590 01:32:09.100 --> 01:32:10.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: issue. And asr-001591 01:32:10.700 --> 01:32:13.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: more recently, because of asr-001592 01:32:13.160 --> 01:32:14.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the yellow and red alerts asr-001593 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:16.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the Visayas and asr-001594 01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:18.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Mindanao regions, asr-001595 01:32:19.260 --> 01:32:21.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the spike in WESM prices asr-001596 01:32:21.160 --> 01:32:23.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that reached 18 asr-001597 01:32:23.200 --> 01:32:24.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pesos asr-001598 01:32:24.360 --> 01:32:27.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for Mindanao, and asr-001599 01:32:27.120 --> 01:32:28.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 19 pesos for asr-001600 01:32:28.860 --> 01:32:30.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Visayas. So, asr-001601 01:32:31.420 --> 01:32:32.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we've actually acted asr-001602 01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:34.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: quickly in asr-001603 01:32:34.700 --> 01:32:37.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that case of asr-001604 01:32:37.260 --> 01:32:38.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the WESM spikes. asr-001605 01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:41.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We directed asr-001606 01:32:41.060 --> 01:32:42.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the implementation asr-001607 01:32:42.400 --> 01:32:44.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the secondary asr-001608 01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:46.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: price cap by region asr-001609 01:32:47.200 --> 01:32:49.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: instead of system-wide asr-001610 01:32:49.420 --> 01:32:51.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: so that we were asr-001611 01:32:51.100 --> 01:32:53.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: able to temper WESM prices asr-001612 01:32:53.140 --> 01:32:55.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: from as high as 19 pesos asr-001613 01:32:55.300 --> 01:32:57.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: down to around 8 pesos asr-001614 01:32:57.680 --> 01:32:58.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for Visayas. asr-001615 01:32:58.860 --> 01:33:00.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We've directed IEMOP asr-001616 01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:02.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to recalculate asr-001617 01:33:02.500 --> 01:33:04.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the WESM clearing asr-001618 01:33:04.760 --> 01:33:06.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: prices for the August billing, and asr-001619 01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:08.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we intend to continue that asr-001620 01:33:08.380 --> 01:33:10.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for September since we asr-001621 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:12.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: anticipate that there'll still be some asr-001622 01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:15.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: supply deficit happening asr-001623 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:17.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in September for the Visayas. asr-001624 01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:19.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, para po matemper asr-001625 01:33:19.240 --> 01:33:20.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung WESM prices. asr-001626 01:33:21.180 --> 01:33:23.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pagdating po dun sa line rentals asr-001627 01:33:23.040 --> 01:33:24.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or bilateral line asr-001628 01:33:24.980 --> 01:33:26.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: loss and congestion charges, asr-001629 01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:28.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we've issued the August 13th asr-001630 01:33:28.860 --> 01:33:30.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: order asking asr-001631 01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:32.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: also IEMOP asr-001632 01:33:32.580 --> 01:33:34.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to recalculate the asr-001633 01:33:34.540 --> 01:33:36.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: line rentals and NSS asr-001634 01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:38.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allocations. Pagka meron po asr-001635 01:33:38.940 --> 01:33:41.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kasing line rentals, asr-001636 01:33:41.240 --> 01:33:43.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: meron din na asr-001637 01:33:43.140 --> 01:33:44.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kukompute asr-001638 01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:46.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: na net settlement surplus, asr-001639 01:33:47.020 --> 01:33:48.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and supposedly this is asr-001640 01:33:48.440 --> 01:33:50.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: return flow back to the asr-001641 01:33:50.160 --> 01:33:52.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: customers that paid asr-001642 01:33:52.220 --> 01:33:54.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: these higher asr-001643 01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:56.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: line rentals in the proportion of asr-001644 01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:58.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: their contribution. We've seen asr-001645 01:33:58.300 --> 01:33:59.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: some asr-001646 01:33:59.140 --> 01:34:02.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: inequity in the asr-001647 01:34:02.820 --> 01:34:04.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: way the system, the asr-001648 01:34:04.700 --> 01:34:06.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: CRSS that is used in asr-001649 01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:08.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: WESM, computes for asr-001650 01:34:08.580 --> 01:34:10.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the NSS allocation. asr-001651 01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:12.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, with that recalculation and asr-001652 01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:14.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the audit that will happen asr-001653 01:34:14.860 --> 01:34:16.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on the line rentals asr-001654 01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:19.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: paid by the distribution asr-001655 01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:20.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: utilities, particularly in the asr-001656 01:34:20.780 --> 01:34:23.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Visayas, we anticipate asr-001657 01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:24.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that there'll be some distribution asr-001658 01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:27.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: utilities, including Samelcoan, asr-001659 01:34:27.480 --> 01:34:28.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that may, asr-001660 01:34:28.300 --> 01:34:29.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: may be entitled asr-001661 01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:31.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to a reduction asr-001662 01:34:31.460 --> 01:34:34.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or in this case, a refund asr-001663 01:34:34.260 --> 01:34:36.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for whatever they have asr-001664 01:34:36.220 --> 01:34:37.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: paid earlier to asr-001665 01:34:37.800 --> 01:34:38.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: WESM. asr-001666 01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:41.960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Siguro, sir, ang unahong asr-001667 01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:44.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ninyong basahin, silipin, asr-001668 01:34:44.980 --> 01:34:45.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: i-check po yung asr-001669 01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:47.900 Senator Erwin Tulfo: WESM. I'll tell you why later. asr-001670 01:34:48.280 --> 01:34:49.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Pero my next question is, asr-001671 01:34:50.260 --> 01:34:51.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: bakit po lumundag ang asr-001672 01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:53.860 Senator Erwin Tulfo: LLCC, ito pong asr-001673 01:34:53.860 --> 01:34:55.900 Senator Erwin Tulfo: line loss and congestion cost asr-001674 01:34:55.900 --> 01:34:57.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: noong July 2026, asr-001675 01:34:58.300 --> 01:35:00.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: from P277 asr-001676 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:02.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: million noong June, asr-001677 01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:03.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: in one month's time, asr-001678 01:35:04.360 --> 01:35:06.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: 100% ang tinaas, asr-001679 01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:08.380 Senator Erwin Tulfo: P277 million asr-001680 01:35:08.380 --> 01:35:10.640 Senator Erwin Tulfo: to P570 million in July? asr-001681 01:35:10.980 --> 01:35:12.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ano nangyari? I mean, asr-001682 01:35:12.740 --> 01:35:14.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ano yung line ba na yun? asr-001683 01:35:14.320 --> 01:35:16.380 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Dinto ang dinaanan ng kuryente asr-001684 01:35:16.380 --> 01:35:18.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: na kailangan 100%? asr-001685 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:20.320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: P277 asr-001686 01:35:20.320 --> 01:35:22.000 Senator Erwin Tulfo: to P570 asr-001687 01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: million July billing asr-001688 01:35:24.040 --> 01:35:25.440 Senator Erwin Tulfo: in just 30 days, asr-001689 01:35:25.440 --> 01:35:27.320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chairman? asr-001690 01:35:28.300 --> 01:35:30.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yung pong line rental, asr-001691 01:35:30.440 --> 01:35:31.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: actually, hindi ito yung asr-001692 01:35:31.660 --> 01:35:33.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: bayad para doon sa asr-001693 01:35:33.220 --> 01:35:35.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: linya. This is just asr-001694 01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:37.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the terminology that asr-001695 01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:39.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: was initially used, but this was changed asr-001696 01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:41.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to line loss and congestion charge. asr-001697 01:35:42.980 --> 01:35:43.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ang asr-001698 01:35:43.340 --> 01:35:44.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: impact po ng asr-001699 01:35:44.780 --> 01:35:47.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LLCC depends asr-001700 01:35:47.440 --> 01:35:49.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on each customer, asr-001701 01:35:49.820 --> 01:35:51.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: where it is located, and where asr-001702 01:35:51.660 --> 01:35:53.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: it is sourcing its asr-001703 01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:54.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: power bilaterally. asr-001704 01:35:55.560 --> 01:35:57.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ang nangyayari po kasi, asr-001705 01:35:57.300 --> 01:35:58.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: since yung asr-001706 01:35:58.100 --> 01:36:00.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: WESM rules natin, provided for asr-001707 01:36:00.160 --> 01:36:01.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: locational marginal pricing, asr-001708 01:36:02.160 --> 01:36:04.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and this can be, you can asr-001709 01:36:04.240 --> 01:36:06.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: research about locational marginal asr-001710 01:36:06.060 --> 01:36:07.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pricing, ito yung gold standard asr-001711 01:36:07.760 --> 01:36:10.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: nung mga energy asr-001712 01:36:10.320 --> 01:36:11.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: markets all asr-001713 01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:13.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: over the world, asr-001714 01:36:14.220 --> 01:36:16.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung locational marginal pricing. asr-001715 01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:18.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Dahil po, like in the case asr-001716 01:36:18.360 --> 01:36:20.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of Samelco, siguro po yan, asr-001717 01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:22.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: meron siyang kakontrata asr-001718 01:36:22.420 --> 01:36:23.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: from another region. asr-001719 01:36:24.360 --> 01:36:25.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yung region, halimbawa, ay asr-001720 01:36:25.900 --> 01:36:27.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: from Visayas, asr-001721 01:36:28.100 --> 01:36:30.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: meron siyang kakontrata from Mindanao. asr-001722 01:36:30.820 --> 01:36:33.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Doon po sa locational marginal pricing, asr-001723 01:36:33.260 --> 01:36:35.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung po kakontrata niya in Mindanao, asr-001724 01:36:35.480 --> 01:36:36.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: iba yung asr-001725 01:36:36.080 --> 01:36:39.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LMP niya, kaysa doon sa asr-001726 01:36:39.020 --> 01:36:40.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LMP where it is connected, asr-001727 01:36:41.400 --> 01:36:42.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: o yung customer node. asr-001728 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:45.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yung pong line rental, asr-001729 01:36:46.080 --> 01:36:47.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: nakocompute po yan, asr-001730 01:36:48.440 --> 01:36:48.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang asr-001731 01:36:48.740 --> 01:36:50.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: binagamit na konsiderasyon, asr-001732 01:36:51.040 --> 01:36:52.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ay yung difference nung asr-001733 01:36:52.520 --> 01:36:54.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LMP ng generator asr-001734 01:36:54.740 --> 01:36:56.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: node, at saka yung asr-001735 01:36:56.660 --> 01:36:57.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LMP ng customer node. asr-001736 01:36:58.100 --> 01:37:00.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: At kung ganito nga po asr-001737 01:37:00.500 --> 01:37:02.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang sitwasyon ng isang distribution utility, asr-001738 01:37:03.420 --> 01:37:04.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: malaki yung asr-001739 01:37:04.460 --> 01:37:07.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ibabaya niya, kasi mas malaki asr-001740 01:37:07.040 --> 01:37:08.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: na lumabas yung asr-001741 01:37:08.440 --> 01:37:11.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: locational marginal price niya, asr-001742 01:37:11.780 --> 01:37:12.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: at ito ang basis asr-001743 01:37:12.860 --> 01:37:14.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ng trading amount na asr-001744 01:37:14.700 --> 01:37:16.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: sisingilin sa kanya ng asr-001745 01:37:16.360 --> 01:37:18.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: IEMOP or ng WESM operator. asr-001746 01:37:18.980 --> 01:37:20.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pero po, supposedly, asr-001747 01:37:20.620 --> 01:37:23.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kung ano man niyang kinolekta sa kanya, asr-001748 01:37:23.480 --> 01:37:24.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: hindi naman necessarily yun asr-001749 01:37:24.940 --> 01:37:26.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang ibabaya doon sa generator asr-001750 01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:28.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: na kakontrata niya, asr-001751 01:37:28.100 --> 01:37:29.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: which will be paid based on asr-001752 01:37:29.940 --> 01:37:31.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the generator LMP. asr-001753 01:37:31.780 --> 01:37:34.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Kung mas mababa yung generator LMP, asr-001754 01:37:34.420 --> 01:37:36.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: talagang magkakaroon at magkakaroon asr-001755 01:37:36.340 --> 01:37:38.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ng mas malaking asr-001756 01:37:38.060 --> 01:37:40.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: line rental na kukolektahin sa kanya, asr-001757 01:37:40.420 --> 01:37:41.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pero magkakaroon ito ng asr-001758 01:37:41.980 --> 01:37:43.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: surplus. At itong net settlement asr-001759 01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: surplus na ito, dapat ay malaki asr-001760 01:37:46.200 --> 01:37:48.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang balik sa kanya. Kaya lang, asr-001761 01:37:48.280 --> 01:37:49.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: hindi po yun asr-001762 01:37:49.300 --> 01:37:51.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang nangyari asr-001763 01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:54.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: doon sa kaso nung asr-001764 01:37:54.480 --> 01:37:55.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: mga nakalipas na taon, asr-001765 01:37:55.920 --> 01:37:57.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: na every time na nagkakaroon asr-001766 01:37:58.100 --> 01:38:00.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ng price separation, o ibig sabihin, asr-001767 01:38:00.620 --> 01:38:02.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: iba yung nagiging system asr-001768 01:38:02.040 --> 01:38:03.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: marginal price sa Mindanao, asr-001769 01:38:04.080 --> 01:38:05.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: iba yung system marginal price sa asr-001770 01:38:05.940 --> 01:38:07.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Visayas, hindi po ganun asr-001771 01:38:07.820 --> 01:38:09.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang naging NSS asr-001772 01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:11.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allocation as intended sana asr-001773 01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:13.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: based on our rules. asr-001774 01:38:13.780 --> 01:38:15.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Alright, Mr. Chair. Let's move asr-001775 01:38:15.980 --> 01:38:18.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: on now. How many asr-001776 01:38:18.040 --> 01:38:20.020 Senator Erwin Tulfo: percent itong mga asr-001777 01:38:20.020 --> 01:38:21.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: power generators natin, asr-001778 01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:23.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: power generation companies, asr-001779 01:38:24.040 --> 01:38:26.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ilang percent po ang gumagamit asr-001780 01:38:26.120 --> 01:38:27.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa kanila ng coal? asr-001781 01:38:27.180 --> 01:38:28.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How many? asr-001782 01:38:28.100 --> 01:38:30.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How many percent using coal? asr-001783 01:38:30.460 --> 01:38:31.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: And how many percent using asr-001784 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:34.400 Senator Erwin Tulfo: bunker fuel? How many percent asr-001785 01:38:34.400 --> 01:38:36.240 Senator Erwin Tulfo: gumagamit na renewable energy? asr-001786 01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:37.960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Do you have the breakdown, asr-001787 01:38:38.320 --> 01:38:38.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chair? asr-001788 01:38:58.100 --> 01:39:10.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I don't know. asr-001789 01:39:10.100 --> 01:39:12.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I'm just following. Were you asking for a specific asr-001790 01:39:12.180 --> 01:39:13.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: area? Is that in an area? asr-001791 01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:15.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: No, ma'am. Actually, in asr-001792 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:17.320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: general, Madam Chair. asr-001793 01:39:17.540 --> 01:39:20.160 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I can answer it 62 and 25. asr-001794 01:39:20.660 --> 01:39:21.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: O ba't ikalap niyo pa? asr-001795 01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:23.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Okay. Yeah. Well, asr-001796 01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:26.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I appreciate that, Madam Chair. asr-001797 01:39:26.200 --> 01:39:28.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kaya ako po natanong, Madam Chair, asr-001798 01:39:28.100 --> 01:39:30.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: is that may problema asr-001799 01:39:30.100 --> 01:39:32.420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: tayo. Meron po akong natalisod. asr-001800 01:39:33.280 --> 01:39:34.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I don't know asr-001801 01:39:34.200 --> 01:39:36.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung nakita rin ng ERC asr-001802 01:39:36.040 --> 01:39:37.420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: o ng DOE ang problema. asr-001803 01:39:38.040 --> 01:39:39.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Problema po natin pala, nasa asr-001804 01:39:39.780 --> 01:39:41.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: WESM, if I'm not mistaken. asr-001805 01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:44.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa WESM po, correct me asr-001806 01:39:44.080 --> 01:39:45.900 Senator Erwin Tulfo: if I'm wrong. Hindi po ba ang WESM ay parang asr-001807 01:39:45.900 --> 01:39:47.720 Senator Erwin Tulfo: spot market po yan? Diyan tayo, asr-001808 01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:49.740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung mga generation companies, asr-001809 01:39:49.820 --> 01:39:51.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: diyan po bumibili ng power. Tama po. asr-001810 01:39:52.280 --> 01:39:54.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Okay. 60 percent asr-001811 01:39:54.040 --> 01:39:56.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ang karaniwang bumibili. 60 percent asr-001812 01:39:56.100 --> 01:39:58.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng kuryente natin are asr-001813 01:39:58.100 --> 01:39:59.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: through coal. asr-001814 01:40:00.200 --> 01:40:00.740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Tama po ba? asr-001815 01:40:02.320 --> 01:40:03.660 Senator Erwin Tulfo: 62 percent. Alright. asr-001816 01:40:04.140 --> 01:40:05.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Where do we get our coal, asr-001817 01:40:06.380 --> 01:40:07.400 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Madam Secretary? asr-001817-split-2 01:40:07.400 --> 01:40:08.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, asr-001818 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:10.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: our coal is asr-001819 01:40:10.300 --> 01:40:12.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: more than 90 percent asr-001820 01:40:12.460 --> 01:40:14.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of that comes from Indonesia. asr-001821 01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:16.360 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Madam Chair. What about asr-001822 01:40:16.360 --> 01:40:18.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Semirara? Hindi po ba asr-001823 01:40:18.280 --> 01:40:20.160 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Semirara also produces coal? asr-001824 01:40:20.540 --> 01:40:22.220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: And then Semirara even asr-001825 01:40:22.220 --> 01:40:24.620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: exports coal. Bakit asr-001826 01:40:24.620 --> 01:40:26.420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: nage-export ang Semirara? asr-001827 01:40:26.580 --> 01:40:27.900 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I mean, I don't see the logic. asr-001828 01:40:28.100 --> 01:40:29.960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Nage-export itong Filipino asr-001829 01:40:29.960 --> 01:40:31.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: company na ito sa abroad. asr-001830 01:40:32.400 --> 01:40:34.060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bakit hindi nila natin gamitin asr-001831 01:40:34.060 --> 01:40:36.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung coal ng Semirara? Can it asr-001832 01:40:36.200 --> 01:40:38.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: supply? My next question to you, Madam asr-001833 01:40:38.040 --> 01:40:39.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Secretary, Attorney Juan. asr-001834 01:40:40.160 --> 01:40:42.060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Can Semirara's production asr-001835 01:40:42.060 --> 01:40:44.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: fulfill the needs asr-001836 01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:46.140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: or the need of the asr-001837 01:40:46.140 --> 01:40:47.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Filipino generation asr-001838 01:40:47.940 --> 01:40:50.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: companies? Can it fulfill? asr-001839 01:40:51.700 --> 01:40:52.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, asr-001840 01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:54.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Semirara, kung uubusin asr-001841 01:40:54.700 --> 01:40:56.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: siyang gagamitin sa Pilipinas, asr-001842 01:40:56.340 --> 01:40:57.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think it can only, asr-001843 01:40:58.100 --> 01:40:59.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: supply around 10 percent asr-001844 01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:02.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and konti lang. asr-001845 01:41:03.080 --> 01:41:03.740 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Hindi siya ganun asr-001846 01:41:03.740 --> 01:41:06.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi marami tayong asr-001847 01:41:06.020 --> 01:41:06.740 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: coal plants. asr-001848 01:41:08.260 --> 01:41:09.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Can it be used asr-001849 01:41:09.900 --> 01:41:12.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in our coal plants? asr-001850 01:41:14.120 --> 01:41:16.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It depends on the coal asr-001851 01:41:16.160 --> 01:41:18.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: plant, pero generally asr-001852 01:41:18.360 --> 01:41:20.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ang design ng ating asr-001853 01:41:20.160 --> 01:41:22.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: mga, lalo ng mga lumang asr-001854 01:41:22.180 --> 01:41:24.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: coal plants are designed for, let's say, asr-001855 01:41:25.080 --> 01:41:26.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Indonesian kind of asr-001856 01:41:26.260 --> 01:41:27.560 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: coal. Now, asr-001857 01:41:28.100 --> 01:41:29.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we're trying to study that, asr-001858 01:41:30.300 --> 01:41:32.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair. That's why asr-001859 01:41:32.100 --> 01:41:33.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we've been discussing asr-001860 01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:36.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: about having a terminal or a asr-001861 01:41:36.200 --> 01:41:38.220 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: blending, coal blending facility asr-001862 01:41:38.220 --> 01:41:40.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: here. Kasi pwede mo siya imix asr-001863 01:41:40.400 --> 01:41:42.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ang Philippine coal asr-001864 01:41:42.540 --> 01:41:43.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with something else para asr-001865 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:46.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: parang maging Indonesian type of asr-001866 01:41:46.100 --> 01:41:48.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: coal na rin siya. So that's what we're asr-001867 01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:49.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: exploring now. Para hindi tayo asr-001868 01:41:49.620 --> 01:41:51.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: learning from this din, Madam Chair, asr-001869 01:41:52.100 --> 01:41:54.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: about what happened this past few asr-001870 01:41:54.200 --> 01:41:56.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: months about our lack asr-001871 01:41:56.200 --> 01:41:57.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of energy security and fuel. asr-001872 01:41:58.100 --> 01:41:59.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So we're trying to build that up, asr-001873 01:42:00.060 --> 01:42:01.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: looking for areas na rin kung saan siya asr-001874 01:42:01.860 --> 01:42:04.240 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ilalagay and getting some investors in. asr-001875 01:42:04.620 --> 01:42:06.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Pero yes, that's why asr-001876 01:42:06.080 --> 01:42:07.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I'm sorry, but that's why asr-001877 01:42:07.980 --> 01:42:10.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes, I do agree na dapat yung coal asr-001878 01:42:10.160 --> 01:42:12.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: natin as much as possible asr-001879 01:42:12.260 --> 01:42:13.780 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we use it domestically. asr-001880 01:42:14.300 --> 01:42:16.240 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you, Secretary. asr-001881 01:42:17.420 --> 01:42:18.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I don't asr-001882 01:42:18.180 --> 01:42:20.020 Senator Erwin Tulfo: know if Secretary Juan can answer asr-001883 01:42:20.020 --> 01:42:22.360 Senator Erwin Tulfo: this. Sir, magkano po ang coal asr-001884 01:42:22.360 --> 01:42:23.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: na galing po sa Indonesia? asr-001885 01:42:24.380 --> 01:42:26.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How much do they purchase it? asr-001886 01:42:26.260 --> 01:42:27.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How much does it cost? asr-001887 01:42:28.100 --> 01:42:30.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How much po ang landed cost dito asr-001888 01:42:30.260 --> 01:42:31.360 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa ating bayan? asr-001889 01:42:33.020 --> 01:42:34.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, we'll check asr-001890 01:42:34.340 --> 01:42:35.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with our... Sandy, do you have it asr-001891 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in your... Go ahead po, Yusek Salas. asr-001892 01:42:38.380 --> 01:42:39.800 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Just from the... asr-001893 01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:42.240 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Normally, asr-001894 01:42:42.580 --> 01:42:44.080 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: okay, two types po. asr-001895 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:46.540 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, ang gamit po asr-001896 01:42:46.540 --> 01:42:48.180 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: natin, yung ginagamit po ng karamihan asr-001897 01:42:48.180 --> 01:42:49.980 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng pricing po will be asr-001898 01:42:49.980 --> 01:42:51.760 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: normally $60 asr-001899 01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.240 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pero FOB sa asr-001900 01:42:54.240 --> 01:42:55.510 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Kalimantan. asr-001900-split-2 01:42:55.510 --> 01:42:56.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: $16 po? asr-001901 01:42:57.020 --> 01:42:57.380 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: $60. asr-001902 01:42:58.100 --> 01:43:00.420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: $60 ang coal po natin asr-001903 01:43:00.420 --> 01:43:02.820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: per metric ton. asr-001904 01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:05.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: 60 US asr-001905 01:43:05.180 --> 01:43:05.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: dots. asr-001906 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:07.440 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kung i-divide nyo po yan asr-001907 01:43:07.440 --> 01:43:09.680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: through kilowatt hour, ilan po yan? asr-001908 01:43:10.940 --> 01:43:11.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I want you to asr-001909 01:43:11.480 --> 01:43:13.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: divide it in kilowatt hour asr-001910 01:43:13.040 --> 01:43:15.640 Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung 60 metric ton. Kasi po, asr-001911 01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:17.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung i-divide mo yan sa pesos, asr-001912 01:43:17.740 --> 01:43:18.860 Senator Erwin Tulfo: correct me if I'm wrong, asr-001913 01:43:19.400 --> 01:43:21.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung may mga mathematicians po tayo dito, asr-001914 01:43:22.140 --> 01:43:23.620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: it will run to around asr-001915 01:43:23.620 --> 01:43:25.420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: 4 to 5 pesos per asr-001916 01:43:25.420 --> 01:43:27.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kilowatt hour. Landed asr-001917 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:29.160 Senator Erwin Tulfo: cost po natin, shipping, asr-001918 01:43:29.820 --> 01:43:31.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: taxes, etc. Kung anuman po yan. asr-001919 01:43:32.320 --> 01:43:33.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sabihin na natin, maximum asr-001920 01:43:33.580 --> 01:43:35.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: is 8 pesos per kilowatt hour. asr-001921 01:43:36.100 --> 01:43:37.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Lagi patong pa asr-001922 01:43:37.280 --> 01:43:39.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng kumpanya, yung kanyang asr-001923 01:43:39.540 --> 01:43:41.420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: tubo dyan, aabot po siya ng asr-001924 01:43:41.420 --> 01:43:43.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: 10 pesos per kilowatt hour. asr-001925 01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:45.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ngayon, ang tanong ko po, sir, asr-001926 01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:47.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa WESM naman tayo, asr-001927 01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:49.440 Senator Erwin Tulfo: bakit pag tumaas po asr-001928 01:43:49.440 --> 01:43:51.440 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ang banker fuel asr-001929 01:43:51.440 --> 01:43:53.160 Senator Erwin Tulfo: nung nagkagyera sa asr-001930 01:43:53.160 --> 01:43:54.760 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Middle East, asr-001931 01:43:55.200 --> 01:43:56.640 Senator Erwin Tulfo: tumaas din ang asr-001932 01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:59.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ang coal? Eh dapat hindi po, asr-001933 01:43:59.200 --> 01:44:01.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: diba? Because it came from Indonesia. asr-001934 01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:03.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Hindi naman po kasamang Indonesia asr-001935 01:44:03.120 --> 01:44:05.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa gera. Ang pinag-uusapan asr-001936 01:44:05.260 --> 01:44:07.020 Senator Erwin Tulfo: natin is Middle East. Sige, asr-001937 01:44:07.140 --> 01:44:09.420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: banker fuel, diesel, etc. asr-001938 01:44:09.660 --> 01:44:11.460 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Dandong galing, straight of asr-001939 01:44:11.460 --> 01:44:13.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Hormuz. But this is coming asr-001940 01:44:13.120 --> 01:44:14.740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: from Indonesia, sir. Bakit? asr-001941 01:44:15.300 --> 01:44:16.500 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Pag binenta rito, asr-001942 01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:19.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: tumaas ng 32 yata. At one point, asr-001943 01:44:19.260 --> 01:44:21.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: tumabot pa ng 32. Pati asr-001944 01:44:21.120 --> 01:44:23.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung coal natin, tumabot ng 32 asr-001945 01:44:23.300 --> 01:44:25.060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung galing sa Indonesia. Correct me asr-001946 01:44:25.060 --> 01:44:25.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: if I'm wrong, sir. asr-001947 01:44:26.640 --> 01:44:28.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa time, pumantay sila eh. asr-001948 01:44:29.120 --> 01:44:31.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Eh hindi naman po mas mura ang coal asr-001949 01:44:31.100 --> 01:44:32.460 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa banker fuel, asr-001950 01:44:32.780 --> 01:44:33.500 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yusek. asr-001951 01:44:34.440 --> 01:44:36.760 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Tama po kayo. Ang effect dun sa coal asr-001952 01:44:36.760 --> 01:44:38.800 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: was mainly sa shipping cost. asr-001953 01:44:39.860 --> 01:44:41.020 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, kasi asr-001954 01:44:41.020 --> 01:44:42.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tumaas yung diesel, asr-001955 01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:44.940 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: so yung shipping cost, yun ang main effect. asr-001956 01:44:45.220 --> 01:44:46.880 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero hindi ganun kalaki asr-001957 01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:49.080 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: dahil maliit na portion asr-001958 01:44:49.080 --> 01:44:51.220 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung shipping cost. So nakikita asr-001959 01:44:51.220 --> 01:44:53.220 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: natin, yung mga ini-import dati, asr-001960 01:44:53.820 --> 01:44:55.360 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang FOB nila asr-001961 01:44:55.360 --> 01:44:56.600 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: a little below. asr-001962 01:44:56.640 --> 01:44:58.140 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: 60 US dollars asr-001963 01:44:58.140 --> 01:44:59.940 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: per metric ton. asr-001964 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:09.680 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Ito po yung karamihan na quality ng coal na ginagamit natin, which is 4,200 kilocalories per ton. asr-001965 01:45:11.060 --> 01:45:19.240 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, nung nagkaroon ng gera, yung FOB pricing almost remains the same, nasa low 60s. asr-001966 01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:24.400 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero ang landed cost, nadagdagan lang po doon sa shipping cost. asr-001967 01:45:24.400 --> 01:45:38.560 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And kung titignan nga, historically, ang component ng fuel sa isang coal thermal plant is mga 3 to 4 pesos, pero fuel component lang po yun. asr-001968 01:45:39.200 --> 01:45:52.240 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Sa mga coal-fired plants, normally, baka 40% of running or generating yung kuryente galing sa fuel, kasi mataas po ang maintenance cost ng mga coal plants. asr-001969 01:45:52.240 --> 01:45:53.920 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, tama po. asr-001970 01:45:53.920 --> 01:46:10.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, pwedeng umabot yung binibentang kuryente ng coal plant, depende sa condition, time of the year, pwedeng umabot ng 7 pesos, 8 pesos, pero ang fuel component noon, yung coal, mga 3 to 4 pesos lang. asr-001971 01:46:10.460 --> 01:46:17.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Who monitors this, sir? Yung mga pricing neto, yung mga mix neto? Is it ERC? Is it DOE? Who monitors it? asr-001972 01:46:19.440 --> 01:46:22.540 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: If it's the price of electricity, that would be ERC. asr-001973 01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:23.400 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ERC. asr-001974 01:46:23.400 --> 01:46:30.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sir, how often do you check dito sa WESM? Kasi parang palengke ito, correct me if I'm wrong, di po ba ang WESM is like palengke? asr-001975 01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:40.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Iikot si generator, maghahanap doon sino may pinakamurang coal dito na binibenta. Di po ba? So, tama po ba yun yung explanation sa akin? asr-001976 01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:43.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Madam Chair, it's for parang stock exchange. asr-001977 01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:51.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Exactly, ma'am. So, my point is, bakit hindi maghanap si generator ng mas mura? Ito mas mura dito, di ba? asr-001978 01:46:53.400 --> 01:46:58.060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa stock market naman, baligtad. Yung I mean, mura, di ba? Tapos alam mo na it will go up. asr-001979 01:46:58.460 --> 01:47:03.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: The question is, hindi po ba natin na mamonitor yan na mas mura? Kasi doon na lang po kagad question mark eh. asr-001980 01:47:04.320 --> 01:47:10.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bakit itong coal is very, very cheap, itong banker mahal, pero pumapantay po siya? asr-001981 01:47:10.980 --> 01:47:20.720 Senator Erwin Tulfo: E doon po tayo kaya sinasabi natin, and I found out yesterday, and I'm still doing my research right now, na kaya pala tayo, asr-001982 01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:30.460 Senator Erwin Tulfo: eh, we have the most expensive electricity rate in Southeast Asia because pumapayag tayo na yung coal, asr-001983 01:47:30.900 --> 01:47:38.740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung titignan mo 3 pesos per kilowatt hour, 6 pesos, hindi na nating 10 pesos per kilowatt hour, pero pumapayag tayo ng sobra. asr-001984 01:47:39.160 --> 01:47:48.460 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I'll give you an example also, sir. Bakit sa Visayas, Mindanao, 1859 per kilowatt hour. asr-001985 01:47:48.460 --> 01:47:50.460 Senator Erwin Tulfo: This is, we assume this is coal. asr-001986 01:47:50.720 --> 01:47:58.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Powered plant. Tama po ba? Itong 18.59 sa Visayas, 19.56 sa Mindanao? asr-001987 01:48:00.900 --> 01:48:08.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ito po yung average na market clearing prices during this billing month of August. asr-001988 01:48:10.280 --> 01:48:16.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bakit po sa Pampanga, sila doon, nasa 9 pesos lang po per kilowatt hour. Why is that? asr-001989 01:48:17.180 --> 01:48:20.000 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bakit po sa Visayas, Mindanao, napakamahal? asr-001990 01:48:20.100 --> 01:48:20.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa Pampanga? asr-001991 01:48:20.720 --> 01:48:27.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Pampanga, nasa 9 pesos. Dito sa Metro Manila, hindi ko na alam. Magkano po ba ang singil sa atin sa Metro Manila, sir, per kilowatt hour? asr-001992 01:48:29.260 --> 01:48:33.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Depende na po yan doon sa utility at kung saan kumukuha yung utility. asr-001993 01:48:34.740 --> 01:48:45.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, totoo po na nakita natin in August, yung lumabas nga na presyo market clearing sa Luzon is at around 4 pesos. asr-001994 01:48:45.540 --> 01:48:50.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And yet, doon sa Visayas and Mindanao, mabot ng 18.19. asr-001995 01:48:50.720 --> 01:49:00.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yun pong ating WESM, ito po, bukod doon sa prinsipyo ng locational marginal pricing, meron po tayo yung tinatawag na gross pool. asr-001996 01:49:00.540 --> 01:49:17.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ibig sabihin po, lahat ng generators obligado sila to offer yung kanilang available capacity sa WESM at kung ang offer nila ay papasok doon sa mga offers na makakasama sa dispatch schedule, asr-001997 01:49:17.640 --> 01:49:20.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: depende kasi naman niya doon sa demand at that moment. asr-001998 01:49:20.720 --> 01:49:27.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Sila ay makakasama sa dispatch o doon sa mga ipapatakbo ng SO na mga planta. asr-001999 01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:37.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pero po ang bayaran sa kanila ay hindi base doon sa presyo necessarily na lalabas sa merkado dahil yung mga ibang generators dito ay contracted bilaterally. asr-002000 01:49:37.740 --> 01:49:50.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Kaya't yung kanilang naibentang or naisupply na kuryente during that interval, kung pwedeng ang presyo niyan ay yung kanilang bilateral contract with an off-taker and it will be settled. asr-002001 01:49:50.720 --> 01:49:58.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: At pagdating naman po sa offers natin, wala po tayo yung nire-require na yung kanilang offer ay dapat base doon sa kanilang cost. asr-002002 01:49:59.400 --> 01:50:13.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ito po ay kanilang desisyon na kung ano ang kanilang i-offer but normally in a competitive market, kung ikaw ay mag-offer at ang gusto mo ay makabawi ng at least yung marginal cost. asr-002003 01:50:13.320 --> 01:50:19.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So mag-offer ka ng at least yung fuel and operating cost. asr-002004 01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:30.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ay mabawi mo itong gagastusin mo kapag ka ikaw ay natawag at nag-generate ng kuryente, yung iyong capital cost maaaring hindi mo mabawi. asr-002005 01:50:30.180 --> 01:50:46.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pero during times naman na yung mag-clear na presyo ay mas mataas kaysa doon sa marginal cost mo at mas mataas kaysa dito na meron pang kasama na po pwedeng makarecover ka ng capital fee mo or cost mo, doon yung mga panahon na ikaw ay nakakarecover. asr-002006 01:50:46.400 --> 01:50:50.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Kaya't meron po tayong mga ilang coal plants na maaaring ang kanilang... asr-002007 01:50:50.720 --> 01:51:08.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ang presyo during the time na sila ay nakasama doon sa dispatch schedule ay mas mataas kaysa doon sa kanilang all-in na presyo nasa 6 o 7 dahil ang nag-clear na presyo ay mas mataas dito, mabot ng 32 which is our primary cap in WESM. asr-002008 01:51:08.940 --> 01:51:18.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pero hindi necessarily na yun ang ibabayad sa kanila dahil po maaaring sila naman as sa baseload plants, kakailanganin naman po nila ng kontrata. asr-002009 01:51:18.540 --> 01:51:29.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Nang sa ganon, masisiguro nila na lagi silang kinakailangan tumakbo dahil hindi naman po sila po pwede na magpatay sinde ng kanilang planta at ito naman po ang makakapekto sa operasyon nila. asr-002010 01:51:29.660 --> 01:51:37.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Kaya't sisiguruhin nila na sila ay lagi makakasama doon sa dispatch dahil sila ay meron mga kontrata rin na kailangan servisyohan po. asr-002011 01:51:37.400 --> 01:51:42.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Tama po kayo pero will you agree with me na this is all market driven? asr-002012 01:51:43.540 --> 01:51:47.220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kung ano kasi the demand is great? asr-002013 01:51:47.420 --> 01:51:48.400 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Talagang tumakbo. asr-002014 01:51:48.540 --> 01:52:03.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Maski hindi naman po kinakailangan, wala pong iniwan. Parang po karne ng manok, karne ng baboy. May African swine fever isang lugar pero kailangan mo magdala doon dahil walang supply ng baboy so tataas ang baboy when in fact it's not supposed to. asr-002015 01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:13.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Or isang lugar na galunggong is so mura dahil walang supply ng galunggong pero may dumating na galunggong so tataas yung presyo because the demand is great. asr-002016 01:52:13.940 --> 01:52:31.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung po yung sinasabi ko Chairperson Juan and Madam Secretary, we have to check itong WESM. So po pwede ho eh kung titignan ho natin, pag-aralan lang ho siguro ninyo, take time na pag-aralan ho itong po ang problema natin sa generation, hindi po sa distribution. asr-002017 01:52:31.980 --> 01:52:51.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: It's not Meralco, it's not Samelco, it's not the cooperative but the generator yung nagpo-produce ng kuryente para for distribution. Doon po ang problema because sobrang sipa ng presyo kagaya po niyan, full siya but then again parang banker fuel ang presyo niya. asr-002018 01:52:51.540 --> 01:53:00.700 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa sabihin po, barko. Kailangan pumantay dahil doon sa fuel ng barko kaya sobrang taas. Masyado pong exorbitant. asr-002019 01:53:00.700 --> 01:53:30.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I think once in a while you have to look into this siguro Atty. Juan kasi parang ang kawaba po dito yung mga tao. Kailangan lang po nalaga natin, imonitor siguro Atty. Juan para ikang pag-alam ng WESM na minomonitor sila, chinecheck sila, then siyempre magdadahan-dahan kasi po kailangan po natin ang goal po natin lahat tayo dito, si Chairperson Pia, si Senate President, we're all looking for ways. asr-002020 01:53:30.260 --> 01:53:47.960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How to bring our electricity rate down. Lahat naman po tayo kasi tayo po pinakamahal sa Southeast Asia. I mean meron naman pa lang, meron pong pamamaraan. I know there's a way. If we just look, we just do natin simulan sa power generation. asr-002021 01:53:48.140 --> 01:53:57.900 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Huwag po natin sisihin ang Meralco, huwag po natin sisihin itong mga electric cooperatives dahil bumibili lang po sila ng power. Yung po nagma-manufacture. Doon po yun eh. asr-002022 01:53:57.900 --> 01:54:26.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kasi 4 pesos, 5 pesos versus bunker fuel. I understand what Secretary Garin is saying. Noong nagkagira, tataas talaga pero coal galing ng Jakarta, coal galing ng Semirara dyan sa Antique. Why don't we use all this para po bumaba yung presyo natin? Siguro we can do something about it. That's all for me for now, Chairperson Pia. Thank you for your forgiveness. asr-002023 01:54:26.780 --> 01:54:45.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I understand because the WESM is really unusually high now. We anticipated that also. Ang problema kasi talaga, it's unregulated ang generation. So maybe once we revisit the EPIRA, we have to do something about it. asr-002024 01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:55.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But for now, Madam Chair, when the war happened, we did an intervention because of the emergency powers. We had a mandate. Nag-suspend kami ng market. asr-002025 01:54:56.780 --> 01:55:19.140 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Para yung mauna yung mga mas mura mabenta. So we've been studying this. Actually, we just had a meeting yesterday na rin kung ano pang pwedeng intervention. But good enough, ERC already issued a price cap. So from 18 magiging 11 na lang yata siya. Magiging 8 pesos. asr-002026 01:55:19.140 --> 01:55:26.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But still, the abuse of the market should not. Because these are public service. asr-002027 01:55:26.780 --> 01:55:45.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So in fact, hindi lang coal, Madam Chairman, kundi pati hydro, naging mahal na rin because they know there's lack of supply. So they can sell whatever they sell. So medyo may abuse rin. And we're checking what are the recourse na pwede natin gawin to put discipline in the market also. asr-002028 01:55:45.380 --> 01:55:55.360 Senator Erwin Tulfo: May pahabol ako, Madam Chairperson. Thank you po, Attorney Juan, for doing that. It's ika nga kahit papaano, you're looking for ways right now para matulungan po ang kababayan natin. asr-002029 01:55:56.780 --> 01:56:23.660 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kasi yung mga arawan po ng mga kababayan natin, minimum wage below minimum wage. Parang hirap po magbayad ng kuryente. And kuryente should not be. It is already a necessity, hindi po luxury. Siguro noong dekada 80, noong college tayo, Secretary Garin, luxury ang kuryente. Pero ngayon po, it's a necessity. Kahit na po yung nakatira sa barong-barong, kailangan niya ng kuryente. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you po. asr-002030 01:56:23.660 --> 01:56:26.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. asr-002031 01:56:26.780 --> 01:56:34.300 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Chairman, Senator Erwin Tulfo. And now we'll give the floor to our Senate President. Are you ready for your questions? Okay. asr-002032 01:56:34.300 --> 01:56:56.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Sundan ko lang po yung sinabi ni mga tanong ni Chairman Erwin Tulfo. Tama po siya, no? Dahil pag titignan po natin in WESM rates from July 26 to August, no? asr-002033 01:56:56.780 --> 01:57:20.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ang Luzon is only 4.80 pesos. Ang Visayas is 18 pesos. 18.59 pesos. And Mindanao is 19.56. So kung saan pa mataas ang poverty rates natin, sila pa yung nagbabayad ng pinakamataas na presyo ng kuryente. Paano nagkaganon? asr-002034 01:57:20.700 --> 01:57:36.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Obviously, shortage ng power. Kaya tumataas. Pero inimbestigahan ba natin kung sinasadyang nagkakaroon ng shortage? Dahil ang layo naman ng discrepancy from 4 pesos to 19 pesos. asr-002035 01:57:36.820 --> 01:57:41.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And ito yung actually tanong ko. asr-002036 01:57:50.700 --> 01:58:16.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: In fact, in the last six months, 96 yellow alerts and 33 red alerts sa Visayas. This is Visayas lang alone. asr-002037 01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:19.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And paano nagkaganon? asr-002038 01:58:20.700 --> 01:58:22.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yes, go ahead, Sekretary. asr-002039 01:58:24.600 --> 01:58:36.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sir Senate President, first off, there are currently one, two, three, six plants that are down that are related to this. asr-002040 01:58:36.820 --> 01:58:48.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Ang Indalao, medyo naayos na siya. Pero as of today, TVI unit is still down at 169. asr-002041 01:58:50.700 --> 01:58:52.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sa Ilo, 150 megawatt. asr-002042 01:58:52.600 --> 01:58:54.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: SEDC sa Cebu is 82. asr-002043 01:58:55.120 --> 01:59:02.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Tapos sa Mindanao, meron tayong tatlong units, TSI 150, GNPK 103, and TSI 150. asr-002044 01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:04.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Why are these relevant? asr-002045 01:59:04.940 --> 01:59:10.740 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Kasi nag-i-import ang, first off, kulang si Visayas. In general, kulang siya. asr-002046 01:59:11.700 --> 01:59:14.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Walang enough base load sa Visayas. asr-002047 01:59:14.040 --> 01:59:20.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So what does it do? It imports 450 megawatts from Mindanao and then 250 from... asr-002048 01:59:20.700 --> 01:59:25.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So now, nag-down itong mga Mindanao na planta. asr-002049 01:59:26.400 --> 01:59:29.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So wala na siya mapapadala. So kumulang siya. asr-002050 01:59:29.840 --> 01:59:37.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So ginawa ng system operator natin, nag-red and yellow alert siya. asr-002051 01:59:37.700 --> 01:59:41.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And it continues until these plants are back on. asr-002052 01:59:41.180 --> 01:59:43.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So it's really the lack of supply. asr-002053 01:59:44.560 --> 01:59:45.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Two things, no? asr-002054 01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:50.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Obviously, yung presyo sumisipa sa market because court. asr-002055 01:59:50.700 --> 01:59:53.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kulang ng supply. It's a supply issue. asr-002056 01:59:53.960 --> 01:59:58.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pero meron rin tayong, sa ERC, meron na rin na promulgate before. asr-002057 01:59:58.900 --> 01:59:59.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yung mga... asr-002058 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:01.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reliability index ng planta. asr-002059 02:00:01.980 --> 02:00:03.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi time and memorial na itong asr-002060 02:00:03.640 --> 02:00:05.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: problema natin sa asr-002061 02:00:05.520 --> 02:00:07.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reliability ng planta. asr-002062 02:00:07.860 --> 02:00:08.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We can just say, asr-002063 02:00:09.520 --> 02:00:11.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ito nangyari na ito in the past rin. asr-002064 02:00:11.660 --> 02:00:13.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We cannot just say na pumalian planta, asr-002065 02:00:14.020 --> 02:00:15.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nag-force outage. asr-002066 02:00:15.780 --> 02:00:17.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: They have to maintain their plants. asr-002067 02:00:18.760 --> 02:00:20.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And ERC, asr-002068 02:00:20.400 --> 02:00:21.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron na rin mga resolutions asr-002069 02:00:21.720 --> 02:00:22.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: in the past. asr-002070 02:00:23.340 --> 02:00:25.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Even though deregulated ang asr-002071 02:00:25.080 --> 02:00:28.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: generation, alam naman natin deregulated asr-002072 02:00:28.100 --> 02:00:29.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yan. But we cannot rely asr-002073 02:00:29.860 --> 02:00:31.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: so much on them asr-002074 02:00:31.700 --> 02:00:33.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: maintaining asr-002075 02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:34.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the plants asr-002076 02:00:34.700 --> 02:00:37.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: regularly. asr-002077 02:00:39.360 --> 02:00:40.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Because asr-002078 02:00:40.080 --> 02:00:41.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kung ganitong nagkakaroon ng asr-002079 02:00:41.820 --> 02:00:44.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: outage, force outage, asr-002080 02:00:44.620 --> 02:00:45.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tayo naman lahat ang asr-002081 02:00:45.600 --> 02:00:47.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tinatamaan dito. asr-002082 02:00:48.040 --> 02:00:49.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Naimbestigahan ba kung meron, number one, asr-002083 02:00:50.040 --> 02:00:51.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: may anti-competitive asr-002084 02:00:51.320 --> 02:00:53.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: behavior, meron bang collusion, asr-002085 02:00:54.080 --> 02:00:56.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron bang gaming the system. asr-002086 02:00:56.000 --> 02:00:57.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then number two, asr-002087 02:00:58.100 --> 02:00:59.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: napag-aralan ba kung nami-maintain asr-002088 02:00:59.840 --> 02:01:01.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung planta nila? Is it within the asr-002089 02:01:01.640 --> 02:01:03.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reliability index? asr-002090 02:01:03.540 --> 02:01:05.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We have to compel these plants to maintain asr-002091 02:01:05.720 --> 02:01:06.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: their plants. Dahil asr-002092 02:01:06.900 --> 02:01:08.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: wala ka nang... asr-002093 02:01:08.920 --> 02:01:11.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yan, tanong ng ating mga kababayan, Senator Erwin. asr-002094 02:01:11.280 --> 02:01:14.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Wala nang ang kuryente. 19 pesos pa yung binabayaran. asr-002095 02:01:16.600 --> 02:01:17.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sir Chair, asr-002096 02:01:17.980 --> 02:01:21.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the plants, asr-002097 02:01:21.580 --> 02:01:23.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ang mga planta na ito, inisa-isa asr-002098 02:01:23.280 --> 02:01:25.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na talaga, the Joint Task Force of asr-002099 02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:27.220 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOE and ERC, asr-002100 02:01:27.880 --> 02:01:29.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: they're going around asr-002101 02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:31.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nasa mga planta, asr-002102 02:01:31.740 --> 02:01:33.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: inisa-isa nila, visiting it asr-002103 02:01:33.720 --> 02:01:35.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and confirming kung ano ba talaga asr-002104 02:01:35.480 --> 02:01:36.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nangyayari. asr-002105 02:01:36.160 --> 02:01:36.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And asr-002106 02:01:36.440 --> 02:01:40.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there are asr-002107 02:01:40.520 --> 02:01:42.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: some issues, asr-002108 02:01:42.620 --> 02:01:43.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for example, na asr-002109 02:01:43.860 --> 02:01:46.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: most of the maintenance asr-002110 02:01:46.340 --> 02:01:50.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or even the repairs, asr-002111 02:01:51.160 --> 02:01:51.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kailangan pa asr-002112 02:01:51.800 --> 02:01:53.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: magpapasok sila ng asr-002113 02:01:53.580 --> 02:01:55.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: foreign equipments or foreign asr-002114 02:01:55.880 --> 02:01:58.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: personnel para mag-ayos asr-002115 02:01:58.540 --> 02:01:59.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ng mga asr-002116 02:01:59.360 --> 02:02:01.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: turbina nila or ng planta nila. asr-002117 02:02:01.900 --> 02:02:03.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And that really delays us. For example, asr-002118 02:02:03.680 --> 02:02:05.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: one company had to send in asr-002119 02:02:05.720 --> 02:02:06.240 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: their asr-002120 02:02:06.240 --> 02:02:09.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: team from India asr-002121 02:02:09.120 --> 02:02:11.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: para lang ayusin ito. asr-002122 02:02:11.660 --> 02:02:13.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, that's what we have been asr-002123 02:02:13.500 --> 02:02:15.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: checking kung there's something really asr-002124 02:02:15.480 --> 02:02:17.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: intrinsically wrong in the how asr-002125 02:02:17.380 --> 02:02:19.220 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we do this. So, asr-002126 02:02:19.660 --> 02:02:21.220 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: capacity building and all that. Pero, asr-002127 02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:22.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: given that, asr-002128 02:02:23.500 --> 02:02:25.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I would asr-002129 02:02:25.520 --> 02:02:27.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: based on the asr-002130 02:02:27.460 --> 02:02:28.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: results of the visits, asr-002131 02:02:29.360 --> 02:02:31.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: wala naman siyang collusion. It's just asr-002132 02:02:31.420 --> 02:02:32.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that asr-002133 02:02:32.460 --> 02:02:35.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na-overwork din natin yung mga planta, asr-002134 02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:37.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: especially during the times asr-002135 02:02:37.160 --> 02:02:39.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ng crisis and also with the asr-002136 02:02:39.260 --> 02:02:41.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: summer, na dapat magpahinga asr-002137 02:02:41.380 --> 02:02:44.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na siya, pinapatuloy-tuloy asr-002138 02:02:44.060 --> 02:02:44.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pa rin natin. So, asr-002139 02:02:45.280 --> 02:02:47.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there are reforms in the policies that asr-002140 02:02:47.100 --> 02:02:48.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we have done and we are doing asr-002141 02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:51.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: right now. Ang isa sa mga asr-002142 02:02:51.200 --> 02:02:52.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: major reforms namin is asr-002143 02:02:52.800 --> 02:02:54.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: genco-accountability because there asr-002144 02:02:54.940 --> 02:02:56.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: has never been any asr-002145 02:02:56.600 --> 02:02:58.240 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: penalty on the side asr-002152 02:02:58.540 --> 02:03:00.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of DOE kung asr-002153 02:03:00.200 --> 02:03:02.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: palagi kang nawawala asr-002154 02:03:02.320 --> 02:03:04.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or hindi ka-compliance sa mga requirements mo. asr-002155 02:03:04.740 --> 02:03:05.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we're doing that. asr-002156 02:03:06.400 --> 02:03:08.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And then, I think ERC is also asr-002157 02:03:08.420 --> 02:03:09.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: doing some asr-002158 02:03:09.580 --> 02:03:12.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: their own asr-002159 02:03:12.680 --> 02:03:14.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: policies para mag-stricter asr-002160 02:03:14.460 --> 02:03:16.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yung performance nila. asr-002161 02:03:16.780 --> 02:03:16.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Kasi, asr-002162 02:03:17.320 --> 02:03:19.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: you're correct, asr-002163 02:03:20.400 --> 02:03:21.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sir Cher, na talagang asr-002164 02:03:21.520 --> 02:03:24.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: people are suffering because of their asr-002165 02:03:24.180 --> 02:03:24.780 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: inefficiency. asr-002166 02:03:27.960 --> 02:03:28.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes. asr-002167 02:03:28.540 --> 02:03:28.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes. asr-002168 02:03:31.200 --> 02:03:33.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We have the reliability asr-002169 02:03:33.480 --> 02:03:35.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: indices and based on asr-002170 02:03:35.560 --> 02:03:38.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our resolution asr-002171 02:03:38.060 --> 02:03:39.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and monitoring of the asr-002172 02:03:39.960 --> 02:03:42.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: outages, a lot of the asr-002173 02:03:42.080 --> 02:03:43.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: plants on asr-002174 02:03:43.880 --> 02:03:45.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: outage have already exceeded asr-002175 02:03:45.880 --> 02:03:47.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the asr-002176 02:03:47.280 --> 02:03:50.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance for them. asr-002177 02:03:50.520 --> 02:03:51.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And we've issued asr-002178 02:03:51.720 --> 02:03:52.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: notices asr-002179 02:03:52.540 --> 02:03:55.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of asr-002180 02:03:55.740 --> 02:03:57.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: non-compliance to these asr-002181 02:03:57.440 --> 02:04:00.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generating facilities. asr-002182 02:04:00.680 --> 02:04:02.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And after these notices asr-002183 02:04:02.460 --> 02:04:04.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: based on our rules, we will shortly be asr-002184 02:04:04.540 --> 02:04:06.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: issuing at the end of the year asr-002185 02:04:06.140 --> 02:04:08.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the show cost because our asr-002186 02:04:08.280 --> 02:04:09.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: reckoning of the outage asr-002187 02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:12.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance compliance asr-002188 02:04:12.720 --> 02:04:14.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is on an annual basis. asr-002189 02:04:15.400 --> 02:04:16.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, on the asr-002190 02:04:16.820 --> 02:04:18.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: market behavior asr-002191 02:04:18.460 --> 02:04:21.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the participants, asr-002192 02:04:21.700 --> 02:04:22.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: together with asr-002193 02:04:22.660 --> 02:04:24.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our solution on asr-002194 02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:26.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: mitigating the asr-002195 02:04:26.460 --> 02:04:28.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: extraordinarily high asr-002196 02:04:28.640 --> 02:04:31.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: WESM prices in the Visayas and Mindanao, asr-002197 02:04:31.300 --> 02:04:33.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we have directed the governance asr-002198 02:04:33.200 --> 02:04:35.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: body for WESM asr-002199 02:04:35.780 --> 02:04:36.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: which is PEMC. asr-002200 02:04:37.240 --> 02:04:38.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Attached to the PEMC asr-002201 02:04:38.540 --> 02:04:41.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the BEM Board is the Market asr-002202 02:04:41.260 --> 02:04:43.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Surveillance Committee. We've asr-002203 02:04:43.220 --> 02:04:45.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: asked help from the Market Surveillance asr-002204 02:04:45.400 --> 02:04:47.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Committee for us to be able to asr-002205 02:04:47.260 --> 02:04:49.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: validate yung behavior, asr-002206 02:04:49.840 --> 02:04:51.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung conduct of the market asr-002207 02:04:51.140 --> 02:04:52.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: participants to asr-002208 02:04:52.240 --> 02:04:55.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: verify really if asr-002209 02:04:55.100 --> 02:04:56.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: there was no asr-002210 02:04:56.420 --> 02:04:58.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: market power abuse that was asr-002211 02:04:58.060 --> 02:05:00.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: committed during this period. asr-002212 02:05:00.060 --> 02:05:02.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Two things, Chairman. asr-002213 02:05:03.580 --> 02:05:03.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: One, asr-002214 02:05:05.020 --> 02:05:06.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung mga, ano ba asr-002215 02:05:06.620 --> 02:05:07.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang asr-002216 02:05:07.600 --> 02:05:10.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fine or penalty asr-002217 02:05:10.240 --> 02:05:12.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kung nag-exceed sa asr-002218 02:05:12.220 --> 02:05:14.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: allowable allowance? asr-002219 02:05:15.020 --> 02:05:16.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: That's number one. And then number asr-002220 02:05:16.500 --> 02:05:18.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: two, after asr-002221 02:05:18.300 --> 02:05:20.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: alerting the IEMOP, asr-002222 02:05:22.260 --> 02:05:22.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kailan natin asr-002223 02:05:22.860 --> 02:05:24.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: malalaman kung merong asr-002224 02:05:24.160 --> 02:05:26.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: collusion o walang collusion? Kasi asr-002225 02:05:26.420 --> 02:05:28.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: manipis na ngayon ang asr-002226 02:05:28.380 --> 02:05:31.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: supply. So napakadaling asr-002227 02:05:31.220 --> 02:05:33.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: i-manipulate yung market asr-002228 02:05:33.080 --> 02:05:34.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kasi manipis yung supply sa asr-002229 02:05:34.520 --> 02:05:36.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Vismin. So asr-002230 02:05:36.060 --> 02:05:38.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: wala naman akong sinasabi asr-002231 02:05:38.980 --> 02:05:40.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na merong asr-002232 02:05:40.580 --> 02:05:43.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nagkukulud or may anti-competitive asr-002233 02:05:43.100 --> 02:05:44.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: behavior. But in the same manner, asr-002234 02:05:45.080 --> 02:05:46.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we want to get the comfort asr-002235 02:05:46.580 --> 02:05:48.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na walang nag-game asr-002236 02:05:48.880 --> 02:05:49.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng system, walang asr-002237 02:05:49.980 --> 02:05:52.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: inaabuso yung asr-002238 02:05:52.540 --> 02:05:54.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung merkado. So we want to asr-002239 02:05:54.800 --> 02:05:56.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: rule that out. May asr-002240 02:05:56.420 --> 02:05:58.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: process of elimination, we want to rule that asr-002241 02:05:58.500 --> 02:05:58.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: out. asr-002242 02:06:00.500 --> 02:06:02.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Mr. Chair. Karaniwan asr-002243 02:06:02.660 --> 02:06:04.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the asr-002244 02:06:04.700 --> 02:06:06.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: analysis, asr-002245 02:06:07.400 --> 02:06:08.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang tinitingnan po asr-002246 02:06:08.560 --> 02:06:09.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ay yung mga pivotal asr-002247 02:06:09.960 --> 02:06:12.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: suppliers o yung mga marginal plants asr-002248 02:06:12.260 --> 02:06:14.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that are able to set the prices asr-002249 02:06:14.220 --> 02:06:16.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: during times when there's asr-002250 02:06:16.300 --> 02:06:18.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: shortage. And what asr-002251 02:06:18.420 --> 02:06:20.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is being analyzed is asr-002252 02:06:20.300 --> 02:06:21.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kung merong mga asr-002253 02:06:21.320 --> 02:06:23.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consortium or mga asr-002254 02:06:23.740 --> 02:06:25.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generation, asr-002255 02:06:26.420 --> 02:06:27.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: companies that are asr-002256 02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:30.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: owned in common by asr-002257 02:06:30.180 --> 02:06:32.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: some entities asr-002258 02:06:32.340 --> 02:06:34.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and see if the asr-002259 02:06:34.280 --> 02:06:36.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: prices that are set by the asr-002260 02:06:36.360 --> 02:06:38.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pivotal supplier benefit asr-002261 02:06:38.340 --> 02:06:40.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the other members asr-002262 02:06:40.240 --> 02:06:42.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the group. Yun po asr-002263 02:06:42.320 --> 02:06:42.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung asr-002264 02:06:42.720 --> 02:06:46.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: tinitingnan din doon sa aming asr-002265 02:06:46.200 --> 02:06:48.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: analysis. So we can asr-002266 02:06:48.320 --> 02:06:49.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: rule out nga if asr-002267 02:06:49.920 --> 02:06:51.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: some of, if there is asr-002268 02:06:51.960 --> 02:06:54.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: anyone doing asr-002269 02:06:54.180 --> 02:06:56.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: some market asr-002270 02:06:56.140 --> 02:06:58.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: manipulation, setting asr-002271 02:06:58.140 --> 02:06:59.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the prices high so that asr-002272 02:06:59.700 --> 02:07:02.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: other generators, asr-002273 02:07:02.260 --> 02:07:04.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: not necessarily the pivotal supplier, asr-002274 02:07:04.280 --> 02:07:05.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would be able to asr-002275 02:07:05.760 --> 02:07:08.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: benefit from the higher asr-002276 02:07:08.020 --> 02:07:08.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: prices. asr-002277 02:07:10.020 --> 02:07:12.320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. President, if I may asr-002278 02:07:12.320 --> 02:07:14.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: be allowed, I have asr-002279 02:07:14.280 --> 02:07:16.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: another, I have a budget briefing for asr-002280 02:07:16.080 --> 02:07:18.180 Senator Erwin Tulfo: another agency in my office. I would like asr-002281 02:07:18.180 --> 02:07:20.060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: to be excused, but I just want to asr-002282 02:07:20.060 --> 02:07:21.240 Senator Erwin Tulfo: inform the Secretary, asr-002283 02:07:21.680 --> 02:07:23.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Attorney Juan, asr-002284 02:07:23.880 --> 02:07:26.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Chairman Almeda, that I support, asr-002285 02:07:26.140 --> 02:07:28.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: po, the budget request of asr-002286 02:07:28.260 --> 02:07:30.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: the Department of Energy and all asr-002287 02:07:30.080 --> 02:07:31.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: its attached agencies. asr-002288 02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:33.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I will support it. Kung meron pong asr-002289 02:07:33.840 --> 02:07:36.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kailangang idagdag sa plenary, I'll asr-002290 02:07:36.100 --> 02:07:38.160 Senator Erwin Tulfo: work on it. Tutulong asr-002291 02:07:38.160 --> 02:07:40.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: po tayo based asr-002292 02:07:40.040 --> 02:07:42.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: on sinabi po ng chairperson natin asr-002293 02:07:42.280 --> 02:07:44.140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: na I'm asr-002294 02:07:44.140 --> 02:07:46.140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: full support po ako, just like our asr-002295 02:07:46.140 --> 02:07:48.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: majority floor leader. Thank you po. asr-002296 02:07:48.880 --> 02:07:49.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Mr. Chair, asr-002297 02:07:50.280 --> 02:07:52.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I just tanalang we would asr-002298 02:07:52.120 --> 02:07:53.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: like to invite the two asr-002299 02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:55.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: honorable senators asr-002300 02:07:55.300 --> 02:07:57.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to our Palawan meeting asr-002301 02:07:57.980 --> 02:07:59.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: which will involve all the asr-002302 02:07:59.900 --> 02:08:02.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: LGUs, including the congressmen asr-002303 02:08:02.160 --> 02:08:03.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and all the agencies asr-002304 02:08:03.460 --> 02:08:05.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because together with asr-002305 02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:07.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: NEA, NAPO, CORE, TRANSCO, we asr-002306 02:08:07.600 --> 02:08:09.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: have already formulated a asr-002307 02:08:09.900 --> 02:08:11.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: master plan for Palawan to asr-002308 02:08:11.860 --> 02:08:13.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: be completed first quarter asr-002309 02:08:13.820 --> 02:08:15.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of 2028 or last quarter asr-002310 02:08:15.580 --> 02:08:17.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of 2027. Fix asr-002311 02:08:17.900 --> 02:08:19.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: all the generation distribution and asr-002312 02:08:19.600 --> 02:08:22.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: transmission and your support asr-002313 02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:23.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: would be really appreciated. It will asr-002314 02:08:23.820 --> 02:08:25.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: be on September 25. asr-002315 02:08:25.300 --> 02:08:27.760 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Definitely, Secretary, we will be asr-002316 02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:29.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: there. We will support asr-002317 02:08:29.560 --> 02:08:31.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: just as I asr-002318 02:08:31.780 --> 02:08:33.080 Senator Erwin Tulfo: have stated earlier asr-002319 02:08:33.080 --> 02:08:35.000 Senator Erwin Tulfo: for us, asr-002320 02:08:35.000 --> 02:08:37.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Chairman Administrator Almeda. asr-002321 02:08:38.200 --> 02:08:39.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Like I said, I told the Secretary asr-002322 02:08:39.840 --> 02:08:40.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: and Chairman Juan, asr-002323 02:08:41.940 --> 02:08:42.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: this asr-002324 02:08:42.280 --> 02:08:45.740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: representation is asr-002325 02:08:45.740 --> 02:08:47.600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: in full support for the budget asr-002326 02:08:47.600 --> 02:08:49.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: request of the DOE asr-002327 02:08:49.920 --> 02:08:51.380 Senator Erwin Tulfo: and all its attached agencies. asr-002328 02:08:51.380 --> 02:08:53.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Marami salamat po. I have to go because asr-002329 02:08:53.300 --> 02:08:55.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I have to be brief. asr-002330 02:08:55.300 --> 02:08:57.640 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Another agency. Thank you po and good afternoon. asr-002331 02:08:58.980 --> 02:08:59.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you, asr-002332 02:08:59.940 --> 02:09:01.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman Erwin. asr-002333 02:09:02.540 --> 02:09:03.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So going back, asr-002334 02:09:03.840 --> 02:09:06.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang naging dahilan asr-002335 02:09:06.040 --> 02:09:08.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is shortage. Maraming pumaliak asr-002336 02:09:08.080 --> 02:09:09.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kaya sumi pa yung presyo. asr-002337 02:09:10.440 --> 02:09:11.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Just submit to the asr-002338 02:09:11.940 --> 02:09:12.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: committee, asr-002339 02:09:13.320 --> 02:09:15.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman Juan, yung results asr-002340 02:09:15.840 --> 02:09:18.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng kanyong inyong investigation asr-002341 02:09:18.120 --> 02:09:20.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to rule out anti-competitive asr-002342 02:09:20.140 --> 02:09:21.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: behaviors kung mayroong collusion. asr-002343 02:09:23.160 --> 02:09:24.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yung mga ganito ka lang, asr-002344 02:09:24.220 --> 02:09:24.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tignan lahat eh. asr-002345 02:09:25.300 --> 02:09:27.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Not just say na pumaliang asr-002346 02:09:27.740 --> 02:09:28.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung planta tapos asr-002347 02:09:28.840 --> 02:09:31.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we leave the prices to go up. asr-002348 02:09:31.780 --> 02:09:33.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi pwedeng ganun eh. Kailangan i-rule out asr-002349 02:09:33.440 --> 02:09:35.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: one by one. And then second, asr-002350 02:09:36.060 --> 02:09:37.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: just also asr-002351 02:09:37.660 --> 02:09:40.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung penalty asr-002352 02:09:40.380 --> 02:09:41.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and asr-002353 02:09:41.100 --> 02:09:43.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fines. How much is the asr-002354 02:09:43.800 --> 02:09:45.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: penalty and fines to those asr-002355 02:09:45.920 --> 02:09:47.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: who exceed the limit? asr-002356 02:09:48.040 --> 02:09:49.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our base asr-002357 02:09:49.600 --> 02:09:51.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: penalties would range asr-002358 02:09:51.300 --> 02:09:54.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: from P50,000 to P200,000. asr-002359 02:09:55.300 --> 02:09:57.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Depending on the size of asr-002360 02:09:57.180 --> 02:09:59.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the generation asr-002361 02:09:59.560 --> 02:10:01.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: facility. And aside from asr-002362 02:10:01.780 --> 02:10:03.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the base, on top of that, asr-002363 02:10:04.020 --> 02:10:05.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for every day asr-002364 02:10:05.920 --> 02:10:07.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of non-compliance, because asr-002365 02:10:07.800 --> 02:10:09.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: there's the outage allowance, and every asr-002366 02:10:09.940 --> 02:10:11.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: day that they exceed that, there will asr-002367 02:10:11.900 --> 02:10:13.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: be a penalty of asr-002368 02:10:13.340 --> 02:10:15.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 10% of the base asr-002369 02:10:15.880 --> 02:10:17.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: price. So asr-002370 02:10:17.380 --> 02:10:19.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we are able asr-002371 02:10:19.920 --> 02:10:21.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to impose now a asr-002372 02:10:21.800 --> 02:10:23.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: higher penalty based on asr-002373 02:10:23.720 --> 02:10:25.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our amended resolution. asr-002374 02:10:25.300 --> 02:10:26.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: By asr-002375 02:10:26.200 --> 02:10:29.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: considering in the asr-002376 02:10:29.280 --> 02:10:31.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: calculation of the penalty, the asr-002377 02:10:31.180 --> 02:10:32.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: duration of asr-002378 02:10:32.780 --> 02:10:35.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the non-compliance. So asr-002379 02:10:35.020 --> 02:10:37.100 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we believe that asr-002380 02:10:37.100 --> 02:10:39.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: this addresses the earlier asr-002381 02:10:39.040 --> 02:10:40.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: issue of our asr-002382 02:10:40.980 --> 02:10:42.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: penalties not being asr-002383 02:10:42.560 --> 02:10:43.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: commensurate asr-002384 02:10:43.920 --> 02:10:47.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: enough for the violations. asr-002385 02:10:47.680 --> 02:10:49.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So na-increase asr-002386 02:10:49.540 --> 02:10:50.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na in other words? asr-002387 02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:53.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Opo. And that will incentivize asr-002388 02:10:53.340 --> 02:10:55.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: them to as much as possible. asr-002389 02:10:55.260 --> 02:10:57.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Limit their outages asr-002390 02:10:57.640 --> 02:10:59.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the allowance because every asr-002391 02:10:59.440 --> 02:11:00.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: day of asr-002392 02:11:00.340 --> 02:11:03.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: addition to that asr-002393 02:11:03.080 --> 02:11:05.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance is asr-002394 02:11:05.320 --> 02:11:07.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 10% of the base asr-002395 02:11:07.260 --> 02:11:09.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: penalty. Since the asr-002396 02:11:09.160 --> 02:11:11.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: promulgation itong reliability asr-002397 02:11:11.100 --> 02:11:13.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: index, meron ba napatawan asr-002398 02:11:13.400 --> 02:11:14.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na ng fines? asr-002399 02:11:16.660 --> 02:11:17.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron na. asr-002400 02:11:17.120 --> 02:11:19.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I assume yung revenues asr-002401 02:11:19.380 --> 02:11:21.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nyo, malaking part of that will be asr-002402 02:11:21.460 --> 02:11:23.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fines and penalties. asr-002403 02:11:23.740 --> 02:11:25.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: This will be the first asr-002404 02:11:25.260 --> 02:11:27.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: year when we will asr-002405 02:11:27.260 --> 02:11:29.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: implement these new penalties. asr-002406 02:11:30.160 --> 02:11:31.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And as I mentioned earlier, asr-002407 02:11:31.980 --> 02:11:33.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our process is asr-002408 02:11:33.240 --> 02:11:35.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we first call the attention of asr-002409 02:11:35.220 --> 02:11:37.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the generation facility by issuing asr-002410 02:11:37.180 --> 02:11:39.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the notice of non-compliance within asr-002411 02:11:39.220 --> 02:11:41.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the year. And so they asr-002412 02:11:41.180 --> 02:11:43.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: will be aware that they've already asr-002413 02:11:43.080 --> 02:11:45.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: exceeded the outage asr-002414 02:11:45.360 --> 02:11:47.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance. And then at asr-002415 02:11:47.220 --> 02:11:48.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the end of the year, we asr-002416 02:11:48.580 --> 02:11:51.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: start issuing the show cause so we asr-002417 02:11:51.240 --> 02:11:52.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: can proceed with the asr-002418 02:11:52.760 --> 02:11:55.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: imposition of the penalties. asr-002419 02:11:55.260 --> 02:11:57.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And this time, we will be using asr-002420 02:11:57.180 --> 02:11:58.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the new penalties. But in the past, meron na asr-002421 02:11:58.800 --> 02:12:01.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na-fine? Meron na napatawan asr-002422 02:12:01.340 --> 02:12:03.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng fine? Yes. asr-002423 02:12:03.040 --> 02:12:05.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Have you ever imposed fines and penalties? asr-002424 02:12:05.800 --> 02:12:07.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Meron na. We were able to impose. asr-002425 02:12:07.520 --> 02:12:08.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pero obviously, hindi asr-002426 02:12:08.700 --> 02:12:11.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nag-effect. Kasi mababa asr-002427 02:12:11.180 --> 02:12:12.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: siguro. Yes, Mr. Chair. asr-002428 02:12:12.940 --> 02:12:15.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So ngayon, tinaasan nyo na and this year asr-002429 02:12:15.100 --> 02:12:17.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: will be the first time you will asr-002430 02:12:17.220 --> 02:12:19.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: impose using the higher asr-002431 02:12:19.420 --> 02:12:21.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fines. asr-002432 02:12:21.080 --> 02:12:22.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Per day, that will be asr-002433 02:12:22.960 --> 02:12:24.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 10% of the base penalty. asr-002434 02:12:25.260 --> 02:12:27.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. So just submit to us a report asr-002435 02:12:27.360 --> 02:12:29.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: particularly asr-002436 02:12:29.220 --> 02:12:31.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: on this Vismin. And I would asr-002437 02:12:31.260 --> 02:12:32.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: assume itong Vismin, may mga asr-002438 02:12:32.640 --> 02:12:35.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mapapatawan ng fine to. asr-002439 02:12:36.040 --> 02:12:37.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So far, yes. Based asr-002440 02:12:37.320 --> 02:12:39.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on our notice of non-compliance, asr-002441 02:12:39.920 --> 02:12:41.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we have several generation asr-002442 02:12:41.320 --> 02:12:43.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: facilities. Merong candidates to be asr-002443 02:12:43.200 --> 02:12:45.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fined. Yes, Mr. Chair. Okay. So asr-002444 02:12:45.200 --> 02:12:46.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: just submit to us a asr-002445 02:12:46.560 --> 02:12:49.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: report on that. But the bottom line asr-002446 02:12:49.140 --> 02:12:51.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: here is we cannot allow asr-002447 02:12:51.140 --> 02:12:53.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 18 pesos, 19 pesos, asr-002448 02:12:53.560 --> 02:12:54.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 20 pesos. asr-002449 02:12:55.260 --> 02:12:56.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Mamamatay ang consumers asr-002450 02:12:56.480 --> 02:12:58.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: natin sa ganyan. Papamatay asr-002451 02:12:58.420 --> 02:13:00.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: negosyo, actually. I don't asr-002452 02:13:00.440 --> 02:13:02.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: think businesses can asr-002453 02:13:02.300 --> 02:13:04.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: survive with that kind asr-002454 02:13:04.500 --> 02:13:05.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: of prices. asr-002455 02:13:06.260 --> 02:13:08.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pagkausap mo nga yung mga negosyante, asr-002456 02:13:08.480 --> 02:13:10.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang parating reaction nila, asr-002457 02:13:10.560 --> 02:13:12.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nagtatrabaho sila para doon sa asr-002458 02:13:12.180 --> 02:13:14.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: utility na lang. Wala asr-002459 02:13:14.220 --> 02:13:16.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nang natitirang kita sa kanila kasi asr-002460 02:13:16.020 --> 02:13:18.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: almost 40, 50, 60% of asr-002461 02:13:18.220 --> 02:13:19.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: their asr-002462 02:13:19.820 --> 02:13:22.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: cost goes asr-002463 02:13:22.180 --> 02:13:23.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to paying electricity. asr-002464 02:13:24.600 --> 02:13:24.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, asr-002465 02:13:25.260 --> 02:13:26.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we cannot allow that. asr-002466 02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:29.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Basa ko rin na nag-impose na kayo asr-002467 02:13:29.040 --> 02:13:31.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng CAP, albeit asr-002468 02:13:31.220 --> 02:13:33.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: medyo late na. But asr-002469 02:13:33.020 --> 02:13:33.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nevertheless, asr-002470 02:13:34.360 --> 02:13:36.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: importante rin na magkaroon ng asr-002471 02:13:36.840 --> 02:13:38.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: disiplina among the generators. asr-002472 02:13:39.080 --> 02:13:40.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Matagal ng problema ito, Chairman. asr-002473 02:13:41.140 --> 02:13:43.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We need to make sure that there's asr-002474 02:13:43.120 --> 02:13:45.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: also discipline. Alam ko, deregulated asr-002475 02:13:45.300 --> 02:13:46.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sila. But asr-002476 02:13:46.620 --> 02:13:48.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we cannot avoid it. asr-002477 02:13:49.000 --> 02:13:50.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kung recurring na lang itong mga asr-002478 02:13:50.920 --> 02:13:52.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ganitong problema, we cannot avoid asr-002479 02:13:52.800 --> 02:13:54.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: imposing rules. asr-002480 02:13:55.260 --> 02:13:56.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then... asr-002481 02:13:56.400 --> 02:13:58.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Mr. Chair, we're actually asr-002482 02:13:58.640 --> 02:14:00.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: checking the data so that we can asr-002483 02:14:00.800 --> 02:14:02.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pass it to PCC asr-002484 02:14:02.520 --> 02:14:05.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or market abuse if ever asr-002485 02:14:05.060 --> 02:14:06.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there is. asr-002486 02:14:06.520 --> 02:14:08.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you for that, Secretary Chairman. I'll go to some asr-002487 02:14:08.920 --> 02:14:09.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: items in the budget. asr-002488 02:14:10.720 --> 02:14:11.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I saw, asr-002489 02:14:12.400 --> 02:14:14.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Secretary Garin, na asr-002490 02:14:14.620 --> 02:14:16.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: lumaki yung inyong special asr-002491 02:14:16.740 --> 02:14:17.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: account. asr-002492 02:14:18.160 --> 02:14:20.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: In 2025, it's only 800 asr-002493 02:14:20.940 --> 02:14:22.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: million. And then in asr-002494 02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:24.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 2027, it's now asr-002495 02:14:24.620 --> 02:14:25.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 3.7 billion. asr-002496 02:14:26.700 --> 02:14:28.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: What is the reason for the asr-002497 02:14:28.820 --> 02:14:29.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: increase? asr-002498 02:14:32.680 --> 02:14:33.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ano ito? Malampaya? asr-002499 02:14:35.080 --> 02:14:36.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Royalty? Siguro ito eh, no? asr-002500 02:14:38.440 --> 02:14:40.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Mr. Chair, you mean asr-002501 02:14:40.460 --> 02:14:42.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for what it will be used? asr-002502 02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:43.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: No, no. Anong source? asr-002503 02:14:44.420 --> 02:14:45.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Source niya. Ah, yung asr-002504 02:14:45.920 --> 02:14:46.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nag-increase. asr-002505 02:14:46.820 --> 02:14:47.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sorry, siya. asr-002506 02:14:48.380 --> 02:14:49.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi ko nakita. asr-002507 02:14:50.120 --> 02:14:51.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It's okay. It's malampaya. asr-002508 02:14:52.340 --> 02:14:53.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: It's malampaya. asr-002509 02:14:54.620 --> 02:14:56.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And, um... asr-002510 02:14:57.900 --> 02:14:58.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sa reko ba? asr-002511 02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:03.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: at the other fees also that we collect asr-002512 02:15:03.440 --> 02:15:05.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi technically it's supposed to be asr-002513 02:15:05.620 --> 02:15:07.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: like 20% of the asr-002514 02:15:07.060 --> 02:15:08.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of the collections asr-002515 02:15:08.400 --> 02:15:11.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: but majority of that is at asr-002516 02:15:11.060 --> 02:15:12.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong asr-002517 02:15:12.260 --> 02:15:17.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: isa yan asr-002518 02:15:17.200 --> 02:15:19.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think other collections asr-002519 02:15:19.620 --> 02:15:19.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: no asr-002520 02:15:19.880 --> 02:15:25.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: okay asr-002521 02:15:25.740 --> 02:15:26.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and asr-002522 02:15:26.340 --> 02:15:30.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and the reason for that asr-002523 02:15:30.740 --> 02:15:31.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: that's the new well asr-002524 02:15:31.640 --> 02:15:33.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the increase asr-002525 02:15:33.560 --> 02:15:34.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes sir asr-002526 02:15:34.080 --> 02:15:35.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pero there's also the increase asr-002527 02:15:35.440 --> 02:15:36.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on the renewable energy asr-002528 02:15:36.820 --> 02:15:38.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sa mga collections namin asr-002529 02:15:38.880 --> 02:15:40.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi dumadami din yung mga gen asr-002530 02:15:40.920 --> 02:15:42.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: but this is asr-002531 02:15:42.520 --> 02:15:49.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: what is this asr-002532 02:15:49.540 --> 02:15:50.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: this is asr-002533 02:15:54.440 --> 02:15:55.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: this is the collection asr-002534 02:15:55.520 --> 02:15:56.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pero hindi pa asr-002535 02:15:56.180 --> 02:15:56.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: net asr-002536 02:15:56.320 --> 02:15:57.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: net to government asr-002537 02:15:57.040 --> 02:15:57.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yun diba asr-002538 02:15:57.540 --> 02:16:00.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is that net to government asr-002539 02:16:00.660 --> 02:16:02.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yan yan yan asr-002540 02:16:02.780 --> 02:16:04.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: bakit lumaki siya asr-002541 02:16:04.180 --> 02:16:07.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: for 2027 asr-002542 02:16:07.060 --> 02:16:08.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: it's more than your asr-002543 02:16:08.100 --> 02:16:10.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: new appropriation asr-002544 02:16:10.480 --> 02:16:11.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: more than your asr-002545 02:16:11.500 --> 02:16:12.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: appropriation asr-002546 02:16:12.820 --> 02:16:13.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sir asr-002547 02:16:13.120 --> 02:16:14.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's more of a asr-002548 02:16:14.280 --> 02:16:14.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DBM asr-002549 02:16:14.860 --> 02:16:16.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ano na asr-002550 02:16:16.460 --> 02:16:16.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ni asr-002551 02:16:16.900 --> 02:16:18.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ni reallocate asr-002552 02:16:18.180 --> 02:16:19.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ang mga budget namin asr-002553 02:16:19.320 --> 02:16:20.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sa special account asr-002554 02:16:20.340 --> 02:16:21.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: which is asr-002555 02:16:21.740 --> 02:16:22.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: anong source asr-002556 02:16:22.420 --> 02:16:25.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: our collections asr-002557 02:16:25.600 --> 02:16:26.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: our collections asr-002558 02:16:26.160 --> 02:16:26.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: our collections asr-002559 02:16:26.820 --> 02:16:27.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sir asr-002560 02:16:27.060 --> 02:16:28.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: so yung slide na kanina asr-002561 02:16:28.520 --> 02:16:29.220 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yun yung source asr-002562 02:16:29.220 --> 02:16:29.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: part of it asr-002563 02:16:29.880 --> 02:16:30.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes asr-002564 02:16:30.260 --> 02:16:31.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: part of it asr-002565 02:16:31.060 --> 02:16:31.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and asr-002566 02:16:31.900 --> 02:16:33.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang tanong ko asr-002567 02:16:33.400 --> 02:16:34.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is that because asr-002568 02:16:34.020 --> 02:16:35.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: of the new discovery asr-002569 02:16:35.720 --> 02:16:36.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is that asr-002570 02:16:36.300 --> 02:16:37.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is that the reason asr-002571 02:16:37.160 --> 02:16:38.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kasi tingnan nyo asr-002572 02:16:38.720 --> 02:16:40.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: dati 30% lang asr-002573 02:16:40.060 --> 02:16:41.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang automatic asr-002574 02:16:41.040 --> 02:16:42.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: automatic includes asr-002575 02:16:42.680 --> 02:16:43.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ano dyan eh asr-002576 02:16:43.480 --> 02:16:44.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung retirement asr-002577 02:16:44.660 --> 02:16:45.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: parli asr-002578 02:16:45.360 --> 02:16:47.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pero malaki dito asr-002579 02:16:47.000 --> 02:16:48.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nakita ko special account asr-002580 02:16:48.280 --> 02:16:48.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: so asr-002581 02:16:48.500 --> 02:16:49.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: but I don't have the breakdown asr-002582 02:16:49.600 --> 02:16:50.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: technically kasi asr-002583 02:16:50.540 --> 02:16:52.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that's a source of funding asr-002584 02:16:52.520 --> 02:16:53.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pero asr-002585 02:16:53.420 --> 02:16:54.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: what will qualify asr-002586 02:16:54.880 --> 02:16:56.140 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: under that special account asr-002587 02:16:56.160 --> 02:16:58.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or certain projects lang asr-002588 02:16:58.000 --> 02:16:58.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yes yes asr-002589 02:16:58.300 --> 02:16:58.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I understand asr-002590 02:16:58.900 --> 02:17:00.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: but those certain projects asr-002591 02:17:00.460 --> 02:17:01.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: are continuing asr-002592 02:17:01.760 --> 02:17:03.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or nag-increase asr-002593 02:17:03.040 --> 02:17:04.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ng budget siya asr-002594 02:17:04.260 --> 02:17:04.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ah asr-002595 02:17:04.700 --> 02:17:06.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: manap chair asr-002596 02:17:06.460 --> 02:17:07.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yes I understand asr-002597 02:17:07.240 --> 02:17:08.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: what is the driver asr-002598 02:17:08.780 --> 02:17:09.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: of that asr-002599 02:17:09.280 --> 02:17:10.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: increase asr-002600 02:17:10.220 --> 02:17:11.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is it malampaya asr-002601 02:17:11.440 --> 02:17:12.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is it asr-002602 02:17:12.060 --> 02:17:13.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: geothermal asr-002603 02:17:13.620 --> 02:17:14.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is it asr-002604 02:17:14.360 --> 02:17:16.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's mostly malampaya asr-002605 02:17:16.020 --> 02:17:16.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi asr-002606 02:17:16.360 --> 02:17:18.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because of the new discovery asr-002607 02:17:18.200 --> 02:17:18.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that's a new discovery asr-002608 02:17:18.940 --> 02:17:19.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's slowly asr-002609 02:17:19.260 --> 02:17:20.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: going up asr-002610 02:17:20.440 --> 02:17:21.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: bumaba siya ng konti asr-002611 02:17:21.980 --> 02:17:22.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sa 26 asr-002612 02:17:22.900 --> 02:17:24.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ah sa 25 asr-002613 02:17:24.360 --> 02:17:26.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: tapos paakyat na yun naman siya asr-002614 02:17:26.000 --> 02:17:26.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: by asr-002615 02:17:26.320 --> 02:17:27.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: by 27 asr-002616 02:17:27.160 --> 02:17:27.700 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 28 asr-002617 02:17:27.700 --> 02:17:28.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think it will hit asr-002618 02:17:28.660 --> 02:17:29.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it will asr-002619 02:17:29.620 --> 02:17:30.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: keep on increasing asr-002620 02:17:30.580 --> 02:17:31.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: so it's it's asr-002621 02:17:31.480 --> 02:17:33.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the new discovery asr-002622 02:17:33.400 --> 02:17:33.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang asr-002623 02:17:33.800 --> 02:17:35.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang asr-002624 02:17:35.320 --> 02:17:36.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: driver asr-002625 02:17:36.860 --> 02:17:37.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tama asr-002626 02:17:37.620 --> 02:17:38.220 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes asr-002627 02:17:38.220 --> 02:17:40.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the projections of the new discovery asr-002628 02:17:40.120 --> 02:17:40.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes asr-002629 02:17:40.680 --> 02:17:42.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yeah because yung new appropriations asr-002630 02:17:42.680 --> 02:17:44.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: stable siya 2 billion asr-002631 02:17:44.080 --> 02:17:45.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pero the asr-002632 02:17:45.380 --> 02:17:46.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the asr-002633 02:17:46.860 --> 02:17:50.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong automatic appropriations asr-002634 02:17:50.380 --> 02:17:51.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang nakita kong lumalaki asr-002635 02:17:51.820 --> 02:17:52.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: okay asr-002636 02:17:52.600 --> 02:17:53.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: um asr-002637 02:17:53.940 --> 02:17:55.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sige asr-002638 02:17:56.000 --> 02:17:57.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: next will be asr-002639 02:17:57.340 --> 02:17:58.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ito na asr-002640 02:17:58.060 --> 02:17:59.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pag-usapan natin asr-002641 02:17:59.120 --> 02:17:59.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: last year asr-002642 02:17:59.860 --> 02:18:00.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: um asr-002643 02:18:00.380 --> 02:18:06.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pero asr-002644 02:18:06.900 --> 02:18:08.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ito galing sa asr-002645 02:18:08.520 --> 02:18:09.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: LBR mo asr-002646 02:18:09.300 --> 02:18:10.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung automatic asr-002647 02:18:10.080 --> 02:18:12.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: automatic appropriations asr-002648 02:18:12.840 --> 02:18:13.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: does not include asr-002649 02:18:13.920 --> 02:18:14.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: malampaya asr-002650 02:18:14.780 --> 02:18:21.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ... asr-002651 02:18:21.580 --> 02:18:22.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ... asr-002652 02:18:22.040 --> 02:18:22.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ... asr-002653 02:18:56.000 --> 02:18:58.240 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: In the previous years, asr-002654 02:18:58.560 --> 02:19:00.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we weren't given asr-002655 02:19:00.720 --> 02:19:04.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: although by law asr-002656 02:19:04.500 --> 02:19:06.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we should have like 20% of that asr-002657 02:19:06.380 --> 02:19:08.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: but this is like the first time na asr-002658 02:19:08.340 --> 02:19:11.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: hindi lang sa fees kami asr-002659 02:19:11.060 --> 02:19:12.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kundi pati sa malampaya asr-002660 02:19:12.500 --> 02:19:13.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kaya nag-increase siya. asr-002661 02:19:13.660 --> 02:19:15.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ah, okay. Baka asr-002662 02:19:15.020 --> 02:19:16.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: hindi pa recorded. asr-002669 02:19:54.820 --> 02:19:57.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nakita ko kasi dito asr-002670 02:19:57.680 --> 02:19:59.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: secretary may mga asr-002671 02:19:59.100 --> 02:20:03.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: may mga fees, mostly fees asr-002672 02:20:03.940 --> 02:20:05.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and then asr-002673 02:20:05.440 --> 02:20:07.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the other one is asr-002674 02:20:07.120 --> 02:20:09.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: share from national wealth which is asr-002675 02:20:09.500 --> 02:20:10.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: royalties. asr-002676 02:20:12.520 --> 02:20:13.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasama dito asr-002677 02:20:13.720 --> 02:20:15.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: iba-iba. May geothermal, asr-002678 02:20:15.740 --> 02:20:16.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: wind, hydro, solar, asr-002679 02:20:17.340 --> 02:20:17.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: malampaya. asr-002680 02:20:19.880 --> 02:20:21.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Just submit lang to us. asr-002681 02:20:21.780 --> 02:20:23.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I just want to understand bakit asr-002682 02:20:23.400 --> 02:20:24.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: biglang lumaki, asr-002683 02:20:24.820 --> 02:20:25.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: wind jump asr-002684 02:20:25.320 --> 02:20:28.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: from an average asr-002685 02:20:28.820 --> 02:20:31.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is about 800 million to 3 billion. asr-002686 02:20:32.660 --> 02:20:34.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then next is asr-002687 02:20:34.240 --> 02:20:36.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ito na pag-usapan natin yung asr-002688 02:20:36.320 --> 02:20:37.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Philippine asr-002689 02:20:37.820 --> 02:20:40.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Gradiometry and Seismic Survey. asr-002690 02:20:41.360 --> 02:20:42.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We funded it last year asr-002691 02:20:42.980 --> 02:20:44.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think about asr-002692 02:20:44.080 --> 02:20:46.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 600 million. asr-002693 02:20:46.580 --> 02:20:46.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tama ba? asr-002694 02:20:48.060 --> 02:20:49.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 627 million. asr-002695 02:20:50.080 --> 02:20:52.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then this year, there's a funding of asr-002696 02:20:52.560 --> 02:20:54.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 1.3 billion. asr-002697 02:20:54.180 --> 02:20:54.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, asr-002698 02:20:54.820 --> 02:20:57.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: can you give us an update kung ano nang asr-002699 02:20:57.180 --> 02:20:57.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nangyari dito sa asr-002700 02:20:57.980 --> 02:20:59.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 627? asr-002701 02:21:00.220 --> 02:21:01.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I support this. asr-002702 02:21:01.480 --> 02:21:03.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tatama kayo, secretary, dahil asr-002703 02:21:03.120 --> 02:21:05.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mahirap naman mang benta kung wala tayong asr-002704 02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:05.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: data. asr-002705 02:21:07.320 --> 02:21:08.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: This is actually an asr-002706 02:21:08.600 --> 02:21:10.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: insertion, sasabihin ko sa asr-002707 02:21:10.560 --> 02:21:11.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: amendment. asr-002708 02:21:11.820 --> 02:21:14.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Amendment from the asr-002709 02:21:14.620 --> 02:21:16.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: magandang insertion. asr-002710 02:21:16.860 --> 02:21:17.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: No, it's a good asr-002711 02:21:17.720 --> 02:21:18.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: addition. asr-002712 02:21:19.700 --> 02:21:21.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Senator P, magandang insertion asr-002713 02:21:21.480 --> 02:21:22.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: slash amendment to dahil asr-002714 02:21:22.900 --> 02:21:24.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: this will give us asr-002715 02:21:24.660 --> 02:21:26.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: data. Itong mga, here, no? asr-002716 02:21:27.480 --> 02:21:29.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Binigyan tayo ng data so that asr-002717 02:21:29.060 --> 02:21:30.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we can go to the market asr-002718 02:21:30.280 --> 02:21:32.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and sell the asr-002719 02:21:32.020 --> 02:21:34.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: service contracts right away. Dati kasi asr-002720 02:21:34.600 --> 02:21:36.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tatanungin nila kung may laman o wala. asr-002721 02:21:36.960 --> 02:21:38.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi naman natin alam. So, ngayon, asr-002722 02:21:38.840 --> 02:21:40.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron na tayong information and data. asr-002723 02:21:41.040 --> 02:21:42.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But I want to learn asr-002724 02:21:42.880 --> 02:21:44.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kung anong nangyari. asr-002725 02:21:44.860 --> 02:21:46.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: First time kasi natin pinunduhan yan, eh, no? asr-002726 02:21:47.200 --> 02:21:49.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, successful ba siya? asr-002727 02:21:49.340 --> 02:21:50.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi successful? And I guess asr-002728 02:21:50.760 --> 02:21:52.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: it's successful because we're asr-002729 02:21:52.660 --> 02:21:54.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: also funding 1.3 billion. asr-002730 02:21:54.660 --> 02:21:56.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, again, asr-002731 02:21:57.920 --> 02:21:59.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we've been working asr-002732 02:21:59.020 --> 02:22:01.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on this budget asr-002733 02:22:01.660 --> 02:22:03.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: since, well, as far as asr-002734 02:22:03.300 --> 02:22:04.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I'm concerned, since 2022. asr-002735 02:22:05.920 --> 02:22:07.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And this is the first time asr-002736 02:22:07.160 --> 02:22:08.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: after three years it was funded. asr-002737 02:22:09.620 --> 02:22:11.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And we're very happy asr-002738 02:22:11.400 --> 02:22:13.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with the progress of this. And asr-002739 02:22:13.040 --> 02:22:15.140 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yusex Halas will asr-002740 02:22:15.140 --> 02:22:17.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: explain the progress and where asr-002741 02:22:17.160 --> 02:22:19.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we are at now. But this really asr-002742 02:22:19.260 --> 02:22:21.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: gives us a boost on the interest asr-002743 02:22:21.100 --> 02:22:22.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of the international investors, asr-002744 02:22:23.080 --> 02:22:24.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: especially since the asr-002745 02:22:24.480 --> 02:22:24.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: announcement. asr-002746 02:22:24.660 --> 02:22:26.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of the new discovery of asr-002747 02:22:26.520 --> 02:22:28.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Malampaya. In addition asr-002748 02:22:28.860 --> 02:22:30.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to this, we are asr-002749 02:22:30.000 --> 02:22:32.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in the map now for exploration. asr-002750 02:22:32.840 --> 02:22:33.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Go ahead. asr-002751 02:22:33.920 --> 02:22:36.940 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Thank you, Madam Chair. asr-002752 02:22:37.480 --> 02:22:38.900 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: With regards sa ating asr-002753 02:22:38.900 --> 02:22:40.380 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Philippine Gradiometry asr-002754 02:22:40.380 --> 02:22:42.320 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Survey, approved na and we are asr-002755 02:22:42.320 --> 02:22:44.300 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: implementing this year. So, yung asr-002756 02:22:44.300 --> 02:22:45.920 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: proseso humaba doon sa asr-002757 02:22:45.920 --> 02:22:48.620 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pag-bid kasi the first time asr-002758 02:22:48.620 --> 02:22:50.640 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: we're bidding this magnitude and asr-002759 02:22:50.640 --> 02:22:51.980 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: all the bidders asr-002760 02:22:51.980 --> 02:22:54.480 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: were foreign bidders. So, we wanted asr-002761 02:22:54.480 --> 02:22:55.920 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: to be very extra careful. asr-002762 02:22:56.580 --> 02:22:58.540 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: The contract was awarded in asr-002763 02:22:58.540 --> 02:23:00.520 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: August. The airplane that's asr-002764 02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:02.460 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: going to be used in the survey asr-002765 02:23:02.460 --> 02:23:04.760 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: is currently finishing a job asr-002766 02:23:04.760 --> 02:23:06.640 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: in Japan. So, asr-002767 02:23:06.700 --> 02:23:08.520 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang scheduled arrival nung asr-002768 02:23:08.520 --> 02:23:10.500 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: equipment, the airplane, asr-002769 02:23:10.500 --> 02:23:12.040 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: is ngayon sometimes asr-002770 02:23:12.040 --> 02:23:14.800 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: before the end of September. asr-002771 02:23:15.740 --> 02:23:15.880 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, asr-002772 02:23:17.220 --> 02:23:18.220 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: they can start asr-002773 02:23:18.220 --> 02:23:21.000 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: October. Yung 40,000 asr-002774 02:23:21.000 --> 02:23:22.360 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: square kilometers po asr-002775 02:23:22.360 --> 02:23:24.460 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na popondohan itong 20,000. asr-002776 02:23:24.480 --> 02:23:25.240 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, by the end of the year, asr-002777 02:23:25.240 --> 02:23:26.660 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ay matatapos ang asr-002778 02:23:26.660 --> 02:23:28.820 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: acquisition. Approximately asr-002779 02:23:28.820 --> 02:23:30.780 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: three months po. So, by the end asr-002780 02:23:30.780 --> 02:23:32.720 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: of the year, na-acquire yung data. asr-002781 02:23:33.440 --> 02:23:34.840 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: But the data now asr-002782 02:23:34.840 --> 02:23:36.860 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: has to be processed. So, yung processing asr-002783 02:23:36.860 --> 02:23:38.500 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: nito, mga another asr-002784 02:23:38.500 --> 02:23:40.420 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: three months. So, by the asr-002785 02:23:40.420 --> 02:23:42.580 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: end of the first quarter next year, yung asr-002786 02:23:42.580 --> 02:23:44.880 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: final product, makikita asr-002787 02:23:44.880 --> 02:23:46.460 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na po at madideliver na po asr-002788 02:23:46.460 --> 02:23:48.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa Pilipinas. asr-002789 02:23:48.720 --> 02:23:50.300 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And in fact, yung ating asr-002790 02:23:50.300 --> 02:23:52.560 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pinopropose ngayon, which was part of the asr-002791 02:23:52.560 --> 02:23:54.220 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: original phase program, asr-002792 02:23:54.480 --> 02:23:56.360 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: is double the size. asr-002793 02:23:56.980 --> 02:23:58.660 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, ito po ay 80,000 asr-002794 02:23:58.660 --> 02:24:00.420 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: square kilometers, located asr-002795 02:24:00.420 --> 02:24:02.380 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: in Central Visayas asr-002796 02:24:02.380 --> 02:24:04.680 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: region. And we have explained asr-002797 02:24:04.680 --> 02:24:06.680 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: why we chose those two regions asr-002798 02:24:06.680 --> 02:24:08.420 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: dahil ito yung mga parang asr-002799 02:24:08.420 --> 02:24:10.620 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: forgotten areas natin. Dahil asr-002800 02:24:10.620 --> 02:24:12.680 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: dati, inisip ng mga asr-002801 02:24:12.680 --> 02:24:14.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: geologists na asr-002802 02:24:14.100 --> 02:24:16.780 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: gas-prone niyang mga yan. asr-002803 02:24:16.940 --> 02:24:18.540 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, hindi pinag-aksayahan ng asr-002804 02:24:18.540 --> 02:24:20.520 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: panahon, noong 70s at 80s. asr-002805 02:24:20.800 --> 02:24:22.580 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Ngayon, alam natin, importante ang asr-002806 02:24:22.580 --> 02:24:24.440 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: gas. So, nag-acquire. asr-002807 02:24:24.480 --> 02:24:26.080 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Tayo dito sa dalawang lugar. asr-002808 02:24:26.800 --> 02:24:28.080 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: To jumpstart po yung asr-002809 02:24:28.080 --> 02:24:30.300 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: 2027, we plan to do asr-002810 02:24:30.300 --> 02:24:31.560 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: early procurement. asr-002811 02:24:32.360 --> 02:24:34.380 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Kasi merong, ang maganda doon ito asr-002812 02:24:34.380 --> 02:24:36.180 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa ginagawa natin, walang weather asr-002813 02:24:36.180 --> 02:24:37.980 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: window sa Mindanao, they can shoot asr-002814 02:24:37.980 --> 02:24:39.660 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: October, November, December. asr-002815 02:24:40.540 --> 02:24:42.240 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero sa Central Visayas, we asr-002816 02:24:42.240 --> 02:24:44.380 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: want them to start shooting by asr-002817 02:24:44.380 --> 02:24:46.400 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: as early as asr-002818 02:24:46.400 --> 02:24:47.660 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: March para asr-002819 02:24:47.660 --> 02:24:50.060 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: nasa good weather window po asr-002820 02:24:50.060 --> 02:24:52.500 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: itong 2027 program asr-002821 02:24:52.500 --> 02:24:52.980 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: natin. asr-002822 02:24:54.000 --> 02:24:57.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ito ba, Usec, may third-party contractor? asr-002822-split-2 02:24:57.600 --> 02:24:59.960 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Meron po, there are a limited asr-002823 02:24:59.960 --> 02:25:01.880 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: number of companies in the world asr-002824 02:25:01.880 --> 02:25:04.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na ginagawa itong ganitong klaseng asr-002825 02:25:04.100 --> 02:25:06.020 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: acquisition asr-002826 02:25:06.020 --> 02:25:08.040 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng airborne data. asr-002827 02:25:08.460 --> 02:25:09.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, we contract them and asr-002828 02:25:09.960 --> 02:25:11.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: they bring in their airplane. asr-002828-split-2 02:25:11.340 --> 02:25:11.980 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Yes, sir. asr-002829 02:25:12.100 --> 02:25:14.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then they do the survey and asr-002830 02:25:14.060 --> 02:25:15.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pati analysis. asr-002831 02:25:16.600 --> 02:25:18.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Part of it, interpretation asr-002832 02:25:18.280 --> 02:25:20.180 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: but mag-onboard ang ating asr-002833 02:25:20.180 --> 02:25:22.080 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mga tao sa DOE when asr-002834 02:25:22.080 --> 02:25:24.100 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: they process and interpret. asr-002835 02:25:24.480 --> 02:25:26.120 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, may part nung asr-002836 02:25:26.120 --> 02:25:28.400 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ating agreement with asr-002837 02:25:28.400 --> 02:25:30.340 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: them. And in fact, if asr-002838 02:25:30.340 --> 02:25:31.140 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: I may just asr-002839 02:25:31.140 --> 02:25:33.980 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: point out asr-002840 02:25:33.980 --> 02:25:36.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: at this committee, maiksilang asr-002841 02:25:36.280 --> 02:25:38.300 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sir, having done this asr-002842 02:25:38.300 --> 02:25:40.160 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: now, na gobyerno asr-002843 02:25:40.160 --> 02:25:42.520 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang nag-acquire, nakita namin na asr-002844 02:25:42.520 --> 02:25:44.320 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mas marami palang asr-002845 02:25:44.320 --> 02:25:46.400 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: benepiso yung contractor natin asr-002846 02:25:46.400 --> 02:25:48.140 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: kesa pag gobyerno po ang asr-002847 02:25:48.140 --> 02:25:49.980 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: gumawa. Kasi asr-002848 02:25:49.980 --> 02:25:52.140 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pag contractor ang gumawa, under asr-002849 02:25:52.140 --> 02:25:54.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: the law, tax-free lahat ang asr-002850 02:25:54.280 --> 02:25:55.340 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: importasyon. asr-002851 02:25:56.500 --> 02:25:58.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, ngayon... May reimburse them, asr-002852 02:25:58.380 --> 02:25:59.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: di ba? Kasama yan sa asr-002853 02:25:59.960 --> 02:26:01.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reimbursement. They have to recover the cost, asr-002854 02:26:02.020 --> 02:26:04.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: in other words. No, I mean, pasok asr-002855 02:26:04.260 --> 02:26:06.180 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mong equipment, hindi po papatawa asr-002856 02:26:06.180 --> 02:26:08.260 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng customs, duties, and taxes. asr-002857 02:26:08.520 --> 02:26:10.680 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, tax-free. Then, i-re-re-export asr-002858 02:26:10.680 --> 02:26:11.940 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: naman yan after project. asr-002859 02:26:12.200 --> 02:26:13.180 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero ngayon, asr-002860 02:26:13.960 --> 02:26:16.000 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sabi ng DOE sa amin, asr-002861 02:26:16.100 --> 02:26:18.520 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: walang legal basis na DOE asr-002862 02:26:18.520 --> 02:26:20.380 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang kakontrata, asr-002863 02:26:21.200 --> 02:26:22.320 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tax-free and asr-002864 02:26:22.320 --> 02:26:24.000 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: duty-free ang importasyon. asr-002865 02:26:24.280 --> 02:26:26.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, baka patawang kami ng... asr-002866 02:26:27.780 --> 02:26:28.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But this is asr-002867 02:26:28.320 --> 02:26:29.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: purely service naman, di ba? asr-002868 02:26:29.920 --> 02:26:32.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We pay them to do a asr-002869 02:26:32.240 --> 02:26:33.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: service for us. asr-002870 02:26:34.140 --> 02:26:35.660 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero yung physical equipment, asr-002871 02:26:36.380 --> 02:26:38.000 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: importasyon ng aeroplano, asr-002872 02:26:38.540 --> 02:26:39.740 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: may tax and duties yun. asr-002873 02:26:40.960 --> 02:26:41.280 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Which asr-002874 02:26:41.280 --> 02:26:44.060 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: contractor po natin ang gumawa, asr-002875 02:26:44.560 --> 02:26:45.180 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: under law, asr-002876 02:26:46.460 --> 02:26:48.580 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: exempted sila. Hindi sila magbabayad. asr-002877 02:26:49.040 --> 02:26:50.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sige. That's a different asr-002878 02:26:50.480 --> 02:26:52.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: discussion. Pero asr-002879 02:26:52.220 --> 02:26:54.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron na ba asr-002880 02:26:54.200 --> 02:26:56.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tayong na-bid out na service contract asr-002881 02:26:56.260 --> 02:26:57.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na meron nitong mga asr-002882 02:26:57.540 --> 02:27:00.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: geo... asr-002883 02:27:00.100 --> 02:27:02.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: gradiometer surveys? asr-002884 02:27:02.320 --> 02:27:04.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron na ba tayong... And how's the reception? asr-002885 02:27:05.660 --> 02:27:06.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tumaas ba yung asr-002886 02:27:06.420 --> 02:27:08.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: presyo ng service contract? asr-002887 02:27:08.260 --> 02:27:09.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Bidding to eh. Di ba? asr-002888 02:27:10.640 --> 02:27:11.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron na bang ganyan? asr-002889 02:27:12.220 --> 02:27:13.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: This is the first time asr-002890 02:27:13.600 --> 02:27:15.940 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: nag-acquire yung mga asr-002891 02:27:15.940 --> 02:27:18.020 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: contractor natin dati. asr-002892 02:27:18.260 --> 02:27:19.820 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, hawak na nila yung kontrata. asr-002893 02:27:20.000 --> 02:27:22.140 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: They used the technique. Inacquire nila. asr-002894 02:27:22.480 --> 02:27:23.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yes, sir. Ibig sabihin itong asr-002895 02:27:23.860 --> 02:27:25.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: studies na ginagawa na natin asr-002896 02:27:25.940 --> 02:27:27.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na gamit na ba asr-002897 02:27:27.980 --> 02:27:29.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: natin ito in our asr-002898 02:27:29.660 --> 02:27:31.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: auctions? Hindi pa po. asr-002899 02:27:31.780 --> 02:27:33.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Wala pa. When do we asr-002900 02:27:33.740 --> 02:27:34.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: use that? asr-002901 02:27:35.400 --> 02:27:36.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: When na natin mag-agap? asr-002902 02:27:36.860 --> 02:27:39.640 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Final na process na. So, the earliest time, asr-002903 02:27:39.760 --> 02:27:40.900 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: itong first set natin, asr-002904 02:27:41.480 --> 02:27:44.040 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: end of first quarter next year. asr-002905 02:27:44.360 --> 02:27:45.900 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, available na. Final na yung asr-002906 02:27:45.900 --> 02:27:47.400 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: product. Then we can asr-002907 02:27:47.400 --> 02:27:49.420 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: use that in the... asr-002908 02:27:49.420 --> 02:27:51.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, by second quarter next year. asr-002909 02:27:51.740 --> 02:27:53.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yes, sir. Makikita na natin yan sa... asr-002910 02:27:53.860 --> 02:27:56.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Philippine Conventional asr-002911 02:27:56.040 --> 02:27:56.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Energy Contracting asr-002912 02:27:56.980 --> 02:28:00.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: program natin. asr-002913 02:28:00.300 --> 02:28:00.680 DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Yes, sir. asr-002913-split-2 02:28:00.680 --> 02:28:01.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. asr-002914 02:28:02.180 --> 02:28:03.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Alright. And asr-002915 02:28:03.740 --> 02:28:07.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: my other question asr-002916 02:28:07.840 --> 02:28:09.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to DOE is asr-002917 02:28:09.480 --> 02:28:13.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the only way we can get asr-002918 02:28:13.820 --> 02:28:14.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: out of this asr-002919 02:28:14.540 --> 02:28:19.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong oil shock asr-002920 02:28:19.740 --> 02:28:21.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na nakikita natin is asr-002921 02:28:21.340 --> 02:28:23.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: promotion of electric vehicles. asr-002922 02:28:23.860 --> 02:28:25.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And I saw in the news asr-002923 02:28:25.140 --> 02:28:27.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na nag-allocate ng asr-002924 02:28:27.040 --> 02:28:29.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: amounts to encourage manufacturing asr-002925 02:28:29.800 --> 02:28:31.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: here in asr-002926 02:28:31.320 --> 02:28:33.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: our country, which I support. asr-002927 02:28:33.980 --> 02:28:35.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, I want to asr-002928 02:28:35.280 --> 02:28:37.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: understand from DOE, asr-002929 02:28:38.100 --> 02:28:39.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: merong ano na ba ang asr-002930 02:28:39.480 --> 02:28:41.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: strategies natin asr-002931 02:28:41.840 --> 02:28:43.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to improve the asr-002932 02:28:43.360 --> 02:28:45.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: adoption of electric vehicles? asr-002933 02:28:45.500 --> 02:28:46.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: That's the only way. asr-002934 02:28:46.380 --> 02:28:48.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: If we want to get asr-002935 02:28:48.440 --> 02:28:50.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: out of our addiction asr-002936 02:28:50.400 --> 02:28:52.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to oil, imported oil, we need to asr-002937 02:28:52.340 --> 02:28:53.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: adopt electric vehicles. asr-002938 02:28:53.860 --> 02:28:55.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Electric vehicles as quick as possible. asr-002939 02:28:55.580 --> 02:28:57.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: That's the only way. Wala naman ng ibang paraan. asr-002940 02:28:57.960 --> 02:28:59.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, I want to understand from DOE, asr-002941 02:29:00.140 --> 02:29:02.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ano na ba yung mga strategies natin? asr-002942 02:29:02.580 --> 02:29:03.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And I remember during the asr-002943 02:29:03.940 --> 02:29:05.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: LEDOC, Secretary, you were there. asr-002944 02:29:06.020 --> 02:29:07.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: The President was asr-002945 02:29:07.580 --> 02:29:10.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: going to issue an executive order asr-002946 02:29:10.200 --> 02:29:11.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to asr-002947 02:29:11.300 --> 02:29:13.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: only allow electric asr-002948 02:29:13.760 --> 02:29:15.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: vehicles for new asr-002949 02:29:15.820 --> 02:29:16.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: purchases of government. asr-002950 02:29:18.560 --> 02:29:19.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kumusta na yung asr-002951 02:29:19.940 --> 02:29:21.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ION na yun? So, that asr-002952 02:29:21.540 --> 02:29:23.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: government itself, asr-002953 02:29:23.860 --> 02:29:25.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: will be mandated to buy asr-002954 02:29:25.720 --> 02:29:27.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: electric vehicles? asr-002955 02:29:27.840 --> 02:29:29.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: First off, Madam Chair, asr-002956 02:29:30.660 --> 02:29:31.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: transportation asr-002957 02:29:31.180 --> 02:29:33.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: uses, is the asr-002958 02:29:33.580 --> 02:29:35.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: biggest consumer of asr-002959 02:29:35.880 --> 02:29:38.740 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: petroleum. It's 60%. asr-002960 02:29:38.740 --> 02:29:40.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, tama yung asr-002961 02:29:40.120 --> 02:29:41.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: direction na i-electrify siya. asr-002962 02:29:42.760 --> 02:29:44.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Right now, we have asr-002963 02:29:44.380 --> 02:29:46.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: submitted a proposal asr-002964 02:29:46.320 --> 02:29:48.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to the Office of the President for the asr-002965 02:29:48.320 --> 02:29:49.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: executive order na asr-002966 02:29:49.500 --> 02:29:52.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: future procurement of the asr-002967 02:29:52.040 --> 02:29:53.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: national government, except for some of the other things. asr-002968 02:29:53.860 --> 02:29:56.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: cases na dapat asr-002969 02:29:56.320 --> 02:29:57.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ano na siya, electric asr-002970 02:29:57.840 --> 02:29:58.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: vehicles na siya. asr-002971 02:30:00.000 --> 02:30:09.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: There has been an upsurge in the sales of electric vehicles this past, this recent months. asr-002972 02:30:09.760 --> 02:30:20.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And I think if Madam Chair, Director Patrick can further explain what have we been doing and what we plan to do to build this momentum also. asr-002973 02:30:23.240 --> 02:30:26.120 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Thank you, Madam Chair. asr-002974 02:30:26.120 --> 02:30:31.620 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: In relation to what the Secretary has said, we've been monitoring the increasing number of sales. asr-002975 02:30:32.120 --> 02:30:40.600 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We ended 2025 with more than 60,000 registered motor vehicles per the DOTR LTO, Land Transportation Office. asr-002976 02:30:41.060 --> 02:30:48.480 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: This time, as of the end of August, we've reached already more than 60,000 electric vehicles by way of sales. asr-002977 02:30:48.940 --> 02:30:53.480 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: This is the combined sales figures coming from the CAMPI as well as EVA. asr-002978 02:30:53.480 --> 02:30:55.480 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: So we expect to end 2026. asr-002979 02:30:56.120 --> 02:31:01.120 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: With more than 100,000 registered electric vehicles. asr-002980 02:31:01.600 --> 02:31:15.460 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: If you're inquiring as to the breakdown of the electric vehicles for sale, the one out of four, around 25% of the 60,000 that has been sold in 2026 is already battery electric vehicles. asr-002981 02:31:15.980 --> 02:31:21.120 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: The next share would be our hybrid electric vehicles, around 31%. asr-002982 02:31:21.680 --> 02:31:25.320 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And the remaining balance is the hybrid electric vehicles, Mr. Chair. asr-002983 02:31:26.120 --> 02:31:31.340 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: With the permission of the Secretary, we are constantly monitoring the developments right now. asr-002984 02:31:31.780 --> 02:31:40.540 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We take note of the recent pronouncement on the part of a private shipping company on barring electric vehicles. asr-002985 02:31:40.580 --> 02:31:43.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I was going to ask that in Montenegro lines. asr-002986 02:31:43.200 --> 02:31:49.660 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: What we'd like to indicate, Mr. Chair, is that we've already coordinated with Marina on the matter. asr-002987 02:31:50.300 --> 02:31:56.100 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: There's an ongoing review at the interagency level to update the rules. asr-002988 02:31:56.120 --> 02:32:00.420 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And regulations with respect to the transport of electric vehicles. asr-002989 02:32:00.540 --> 02:32:07.200 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Right now, the existing regulations doesn't specifically prohibit the transport of electric vehicles. asr-002990 02:32:07.420 --> 02:32:11.000 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: It falls within the ambit of hazardous transport materials. asr-002991 02:32:11.480 --> 02:32:19.320 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: So we are now working with Marina for the issuance of specific regulations so that our shipping lines would be properly guided. asr-002992 02:32:19.320 --> 02:32:24.020 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We also take note of the recent incident, I think, in Quezon City. asr-002993 02:32:24.560 --> 02:32:25.640 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We're in a townhome. asr-002994 02:32:26.120 --> 02:32:31.960 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: It was possibly been subject to a fire due to an electric scooter. asr-002995 02:32:32.600 --> 02:32:41.320 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We'd like to take this opportunity to put on record that we are in coordination using the Evida Technical Working Group with the Bureau of Fire Protection. asr-002996 02:32:41.320 --> 02:32:51.360 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And today, the Bureau of Fire Protection, with DOE participating and other stakeholders, is presently updating the fire code implementing rules and guidelines asr-002997 02:32:51.360 --> 02:32:55.400 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: so that our fire protection personnel will also be able to reach the airport. asr-002998 02:32:56.120 --> 02:32:58.180 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: be appropriately guided for asr-002999 02:32:58.180 --> 02:32:59.300 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: those instances, Mr. Chair. asr-003000 02:33:00.120 --> 02:33:02.360 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And then for the manufacturing, asr-003001 02:33:03.180 --> 02:33:04.180 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: we take note that asr-003002 02:33:04.180 --> 02:33:05.760 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the President about a month ago asr-003003 02:33:05.760 --> 02:33:08.080 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: issued the Electric Vehicle asr-003004 02:33:08.080 --> 02:33:10.340 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Incentive Strategy under Executive asr-003005 02:33:10.340 --> 02:33:11.960 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Order 121. asr-003006 02:33:12.740 --> 02:33:14.240 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: The DOE is a member asr-003007 02:33:14.240 --> 02:33:16.040 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the Interagency Committee asr-003008 02:33:16.040 --> 02:33:18.000 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: under that, and we are asr-003009 02:33:18.000 --> 02:33:20.020 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: poised to convene with the designation asr-003010 02:33:20.020 --> 02:33:21.900 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the other agency heads asr-003011 02:33:21.900 --> 02:33:24.220 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for that, Mr. Chair. We expect asr-003012 02:33:24.220 --> 02:33:26.320 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: that if the EVIS asr-003013 02:33:26.320 --> 02:33:28.120 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: is implemented in the asr-003014 02:33:28.120 --> 02:33:29.960 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: next two years, maximum asr-003015 02:33:29.960 --> 02:33:31.340 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: assistance for asr-003016 02:33:31.340 --> 02:33:34.040 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: end users, if it's asr-003017 02:33:34.040 --> 02:33:36.060 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: passed on to end users, will be up to asr-003018 02:33:36.060 --> 02:33:38.160 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 200,000 for locally asr-003019 02:33:38.160 --> 02:33:40.240 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: manufactured electric vehicles asr-003020 02:33:40.240 --> 02:33:42.120 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in the country. The program asr-003021 02:33:42.120 --> 02:33:44.200 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: is good for three asr-003022 02:33:44.200 --> 02:33:46.140 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: companies, a maximum of two asr-003023 02:33:46.140 --> 02:33:47.460 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: models each. asr-003024 02:33:48.940 --> 02:33:50.080 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: With your permission, asr-003025 02:33:50.260 --> 02:33:51.980 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: I think you can inquire with the Board of asr-003026 02:33:51.980 --> 02:33:53.840 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Investments being the lead agency, asr-003027 02:33:53.840 --> 02:33:55.020 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: but they have already asr-003028 02:33:55.020 --> 02:33:57.440 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: signified that at least one asr-003029 02:33:57.440 --> 02:33:59.780 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: car manufacturer is asr-003030 02:33:59.780 --> 02:34:01.700 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: interested in availing one or more asr-003031 02:34:01.700 --> 02:34:03.660 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the models for the EV asr-003032 02:34:03.660 --> 02:34:05.060 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Incentive Strategy, Mr. Chair. asr-003033 02:34:05.900 --> 02:34:07.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Just two more questions, asr-003034 02:34:08.080 --> 02:34:08.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Director Patrick. asr-003035 02:34:09.780 --> 02:34:11.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes, please. Before you leave the asr-003036 02:34:11.700 --> 02:34:13.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: topic on EVs, I don't know asr-003037 02:34:13.760 --> 02:34:14.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: if I missed it. asr-003038 02:34:15.780 --> 02:34:17.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Did you mention anything asr-003039 02:34:17.560 --> 02:34:19.440 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: specifically on PUVs asr-003040 02:34:19.440 --> 02:34:21.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: or EVs lang in general? asr-003041 02:34:22.960 --> 02:34:23.820 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair, asr-003042 02:34:23.840 --> 02:34:25.380 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the PUV, asr-003043 02:34:25.660 --> 02:34:27.540 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: there is an ongoing updating asr-003044 02:34:27.540 --> 02:34:29.620 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the asr-003045 02:34:29.620 --> 02:34:31.780 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: plan from the asr-003046 02:34:31.780 --> 02:34:33.820 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: DOTR, the program, so that asr-003047 02:34:33.820 --> 02:34:35.820 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the incentives provided asr-003048 02:34:35.820 --> 02:34:37.640 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the asr-003049 02:34:37.640 --> 02:34:39.700 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: modernization matches asr-003050 02:34:39.700 --> 02:34:41.920 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the cost for public transport. asr-003051 02:34:42.420 --> 02:34:43.860 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We also take note, based on asr-003052 02:34:43.860 --> 02:34:45.500 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the monitoring, that asr-003053 02:34:45.500 --> 02:34:47.500 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: recently the Land Transportation asr-003054 02:34:47.500 --> 02:34:49.340 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Franchising Regulatory Board, asr-003055 02:34:49.440 --> 02:34:51.380 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: LTFRB, issued asr-003056 02:34:51.380 --> 02:34:53.220 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: a call asr-003057 02:34:53.220 --> 02:34:53.780 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for asr-003058 02:34:53.840 --> 02:34:56.140 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 7,000 to 8,000 franchises asr-003059 02:34:56.140 --> 02:34:57.800 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: exclusively for electric asr-003060 02:34:57.800 --> 02:34:59.560 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: vehicles in compliance with asr-003061 02:34:59.560 --> 02:35:01.900 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the EVIDA itself that says asr-003062 02:35:01.900 --> 02:35:03.460 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: to provide preferential asr-003063 02:35:03.460 --> 02:35:06.080 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: licensing for electric asr-003064 02:35:06.080 --> 02:35:07.020 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: vehicles, Madam Chair. asr-003065 02:35:07.660 --> 02:35:09.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So the lead agency is DOTR? asr-003066 02:35:10.600 --> 02:35:11.920 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair, for the asr-003067 02:35:11.920 --> 02:35:13.940 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: franchising, yes, but asr-003068 02:35:13.940 --> 02:35:15.760 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the EVIDA itself, it's asr-003069 02:35:15.760 --> 02:35:17.900 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: DOE. That's why we're able to report on this. asr-003070 02:35:18.020 --> 02:35:18.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. asr-003071 02:35:18.220 --> 02:35:20.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yeah, and it's very thorough. Thank you for that. asr-003072 02:35:21.260 --> 02:35:22.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I just want to asr-003073 02:35:22.060 --> 02:35:23.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: mention, asr-003074 02:35:23.840 --> 02:35:25.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to you, and asr-003075 02:35:25.220 --> 02:35:27.720 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I might have taken this up with asr-003076 02:35:27.720 --> 02:35:29.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: DOTR and not here, so asr-003077 02:35:29.280 --> 02:35:31.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: just remind me, Secretary Garin, if you've asr-003078 02:35:31.840 --> 02:35:33.720 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: heard me talk about this, but asr-003079 02:35:33.720 --> 02:35:36.000 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: this is asr-003080 02:35:36.000 --> 02:35:37.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: my other hat as a asr-003081 02:35:37.560 --> 02:35:39.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: former, ah, former asr-003082 02:35:39.760 --> 02:35:41.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ba ko? Am I still the culture asr-003083 02:35:41.660 --> 02:35:43.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and arts? Am I? No, I'm not. I'm former. asr-003084 02:35:44.380 --> 02:35:45.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ... asr-003085 02:35:46.420 --> 02:35:47.820 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay, so I am handling the budget asr-003086 02:35:47.820 --> 02:35:49.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: of culture and arts. Di ko na maalala kung ano. asr-003087 02:35:51.560 --> 02:35:53.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I wanted to ensure, and I've asr-003088 02:35:53.840 --> 02:35:55.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: discussed it in the past, that yung asr-003089 02:35:55.600 --> 02:35:57.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: jeepneys are a very colorful, asr-003090 02:35:57.880 --> 02:35:59.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: meaningful, vibrant asr-003091 02:35:59.760 --> 02:36:01.380 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: part of our asr-003092 02:36:01.380 --> 02:36:03.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: heritage and culture. asr-003093 02:36:03.660 --> 02:36:05.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So when we, even before asr-003094 02:36:05.860 --> 02:36:07.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: talks of EV, yung mga modern, asr-003095 02:36:07.840 --> 02:36:09.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: wala na, hindi na inaabala, asr-003096 02:36:09.580 --> 02:36:11.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nalagyan ng mga, ano, asr-003097 02:36:11.520 --> 02:36:13.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ng mga artwork, yung mga asr-003098 02:36:13.360 --> 02:36:15.920 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yung kapalit ng, asr-003099 02:36:15.920 --> 02:36:17.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: in fact, kahit yung ibang jeep nga, parang asr-003100 02:36:17.760 --> 02:36:19.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: stainless lang, pangit-pangit, and asr-003101 02:36:19.540 --> 02:36:23.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there's enough evidence that tells us, asr-003102 02:36:23.840 --> 02:36:25.580 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that when we see beautiful things, it makes us asr-003103 02:36:25.580 --> 02:36:27.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: happy. So nastuck ka na nga sa traffic, asr-003104 02:36:28.000 --> 02:36:29.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: lumanghap ka na nga sa katutak na asr-003105 02:36:29.700 --> 02:36:31.960 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: usok, at least may makita kang magagandang asr-003106 02:36:31.960 --> 02:36:33.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kulay, di ba? So asr-003107 02:36:33.560 --> 02:36:35.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: can you make sure that's part of the asr-003108 02:36:35.560 --> 02:36:37.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: agenda? Because, and then asr-003109 02:36:37.120 --> 02:36:39.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we'll employ local artists, so on asr-003110 02:36:39.660 --> 02:36:40.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and so forth. Second point, asr-003111 02:36:41.280 --> 02:36:43.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I read an article recently asr-003112 02:36:43.860 --> 02:36:45.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that asr-003113 02:36:45.560 --> 02:36:47.140 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there's a asr-003114 02:36:47.140 --> 02:36:49.520 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: jeepney manufacturer, asr-003115 02:36:49.660 --> 02:36:50.940 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there's just a few in the country, no? asr-003116 02:36:51.620 --> 02:36:53.140 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But not them pa nga. asr-003117 02:36:53.840 --> 02:36:55.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The one I'm more familiar with, kasi it really asr-003118 02:36:55.760 --> 02:36:57.420 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: died na, is asr-003119 02:36:57.420 --> 02:36:59.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: a town in Cavite, na asr-003120 02:36:59.780 --> 02:37:01.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: known talaga. Like, it asr-003121 02:37:01.660 --> 02:37:02.820 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: was so inspiring, asr-003122 02:37:03.000 --> 02:37:05.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: President, kasi, I don't know if it asr-003123 02:37:05.800 --> 02:37:07.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: was 30, 50 years ago, like asr-003124 02:37:07.660 --> 02:37:09.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the whole town was involved from asr-003125 02:37:09.680 --> 02:37:11.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the, from those who can asr-003126 02:37:11.560 --> 02:37:13.460 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: have the funding to invest in the asr-003127 02:37:13.460 --> 02:37:15.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: manufacture to the specialization on asr-003128 02:37:15.680 --> 02:37:17.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the machine and everything. They produced asr-003129 02:37:17.700 --> 02:37:19.940 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: jeepneys, tapos unti-unti nang namatay. asr-003130 02:37:20.380 --> 02:37:21.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So it would be a great way, asr-003131 02:37:21.900 --> 02:37:23.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you know, I think we have to, I'll asr-003132 02:37:23.760 --> 02:37:25.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: be happy to initiate talks asr-003133 02:37:25.680 --> 02:37:27.520 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: with DTI, pero I'm just asr-003134 02:37:27.520 --> 02:37:29.720 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: parking it with you. I'll tell you the name of the town later asr-003135 02:37:29.720 --> 02:37:31.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kasi best friend ng son ko asr-003136 02:37:31.540 --> 02:37:33.400 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: dun, taga doon sa town na yan. asr-003137 02:37:34.120 --> 02:37:35.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Na buhayin naman natin yung asr-003138 02:37:35.640 --> 02:37:37.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: industry na yun, diba? Kasi asr-003139 02:37:37.220 --> 02:37:39.800 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the only, I mean the, what do you asr-003140 02:37:39.800 --> 02:37:41.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: call it, the hard shell of the asr-003141 02:37:41.560 --> 02:37:43.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: vehicle shouldn't really change, asr-003142 02:37:43.820 --> 02:37:45.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: right? And so anyway, I'm asr-003143 02:37:45.680 --> 02:37:46.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: just parking that because asr-003144 02:37:46.840 --> 02:37:49.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: these small economies, asr-003145 02:37:49.980 --> 02:37:51.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you know, rely on our asr-003146 02:37:51.680 --> 02:37:53.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: vision to thrive. And in asr-003147 02:37:53.640 --> 02:37:55.580 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: this case, namatay na, buhayin natin ulit asr-003148 02:37:55.580 --> 02:37:57.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: in the same way na binubuhayin nyo yung geothermal, asr-003149 02:37:58.560 --> 02:38:00.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yung natural gas, asr-003150 02:38:00.100 --> 02:38:01.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: dibuhayin din natin yung industry asr-003151 02:38:01.660 --> 02:38:03.160 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: na to. So yun lang. asr-003152 02:38:03.380 --> 02:38:04.140 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, Madam Chair. asr-003153 02:38:05.200 --> 02:38:06.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: For example, asr-003154 02:38:07.380 --> 02:38:09.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOST is developing asr-003155 02:38:09.340 --> 02:38:11.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a technology na pwede nilang asr-003156 02:38:11.900 --> 02:38:13.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: how do you call that? asr-003157 02:38:13.520 --> 02:38:14.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I-retrofit asr-003158 02:38:14.480 --> 02:38:17.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yung mga tricycle natin asr-003159 02:38:17.500 --> 02:38:18.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: into electric. asr-003160 02:38:20.020 --> 02:38:21.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOST is developing asr-003161 02:38:21.460 --> 02:38:23.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a technology na may kit sila, asr-003162 02:38:23.640 --> 02:38:25.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: may i-retrofit mo yung tricycle mo asr-003163 02:38:25.920 --> 02:38:27.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: into electric without changing the asr-003164 02:38:27.720 --> 02:38:28.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: whole image. asr-003165 02:38:29.340 --> 02:38:31.740 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We'll coordinate with DOST and maybe asr-003166 02:38:31.740 --> 02:38:33.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: developing it for jeepneys also. asr-003167 02:38:36.140 --> 02:38:39.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: My senior staff is reminding me, asr-003168 02:38:39.560 --> 02:38:41.420 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yes, exactly, that was my amendment pala. asr-003169 02:38:41.540 --> 02:38:42.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So I was, I asr-003170 02:38:42.780 --> 02:38:45.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I'm trying to recall because asr-003171 02:38:45.560 --> 02:38:47.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: when I remember doing the amendment, then I asr-003172 02:38:47.480 --> 02:38:49.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: park it with the agencies, remind them of asr-003173 02:38:49.560 --> 02:38:51.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: it, and yan, binubuhay ko lang. asr-003174 02:38:51.780 --> 02:38:53.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Naalala mo pa kaysa sa akin. Yes, asr-003175 02:38:53.480 --> 02:38:55.440 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: thank you. So nasa batas yan, required asr-003176 02:38:55.440 --> 02:38:57.200 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yan. And the asr-003177 02:38:57.200 --> 02:38:59.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: agency to coordinate with is NCCA asr-003178 02:38:59.640 --> 02:39:01.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kasi sila naman yung expert, hindi naman ako. asr-003179 02:39:02.000 --> 02:39:03.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead, asr-003180 02:39:03.680 --> 02:39:04.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: SP. Thank you, asr-003181 02:39:05.740 --> 02:39:07.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairperson asr-003182 02:39:07.620 --> 02:39:09.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pia. Two things asr-003183 02:39:09.500 --> 02:39:10.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: lang, Director asr-003184 02:39:10.380 --> 02:39:12.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Patrick. Itong asr-003185 02:39:12.940 --> 02:39:15.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong nangyari asr-003186 02:39:15.660 --> 02:39:17.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sa Montenegro lines, isolated asr-003187 02:39:17.580 --> 02:39:19.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: case to. It's a policy asr-003188 02:39:19.420 --> 02:39:21.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na bawal ang EV sa mga asr-003189 02:39:21.480 --> 02:39:23.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: RORO. Kasi we're, our asr-003190 02:39:23.480 --> 02:39:25.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nation eh. Lahat dito asr-003191 02:39:25.480 --> 02:39:27.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: gumagamit ng RORO, lalo na sa asr-003192 02:39:27.200 --> 02:39:29.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: probinsya. E kung pagbabawalan asr-003193 02:39:29.760 --> 02:39:31.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng EV, disincentive asr-003194 02:39:31.700 --> 02:39:33.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yun sa mga bibili sa asr-003195 02:39:33.380 --> 02:39:35.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: probinsya. Is this an isolated case? asr-003196 02:39:35.420 --> 02:39:37.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: May policy ba ang asr-003197 02:39:37.400 --> 02:39:39.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Marina sa ganyan? asr-003198 02:39:40.200 --> 02:39:41.680 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Mr. Chair, as I mentioned, asr-003199 02:39:42.240 --> 02:39:43.600 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the guidelines asr-003200 02:39:43.600 --> 02:39:45.700 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: right now of Marina doesn't have specific asr-003201 02:39:45.700 --> 02:39:47.340 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: rules for electric asr-003202 02:39:47.340 --> 02:39:49.760 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: vehicles. That's why we're asr-003203 02:39:49.760 --> 02:39:51.480 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: coordinating with them to come out asr-003204 02:39:51.480 --> 02:39:53.360 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: with a new guidance specifically asr-003205 02:39:53.360 --> 02:39:54.680 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: to address this concern. asr-003206 02:39:55.600 --> 02:39:56.980 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Incidentally, Mr. Chair, asr-003207 02:39:57.220 --> 02:39:59.620 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair, this is not the first instance asr-003208 02:39:59.620 --> 02:40:01.560 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: wherein a shipping line has issued asr-003209 02:40:01.560 --> 02:40:02.380 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: something similar. asr-003210 02:40:03.080 --> 02:40:05.600 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We saw this happen about a year asr-003211 02:40:05.600 --> 02:40:07.480 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: ago with another asr-003212 02:40:07.480 --> 02:40:09.600 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: shipping line as a knee-jerk asr-003213 02:40:09.600 --> 02:40:11.700 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: reaction whenever there is a fire. asr-003214 02:40:12.260 --> 02:40:13.660 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: I think the fire being referred asr-003215 02:40:13.660 --> 02:40:15.520 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: to here, Mr. Chair, for the asr-003216 02:40:15.520 --> 02:40:17.500 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: record is the one that happened asr-003217 02:40:17.500 --> 02:40:19.580 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in Coron, but that is not asr-003218 02:40:19.580 --> 02:40:21.360 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: a vessel owned by Montenegro. asr-003219 02:40:21.940 --> 02:40:23.280 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Based on our coordination, asr-003220 02:40:23.360 --> 02:40:25.140 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the investigation is still ongoing. asr-003221 02:40:26.060 --> 02:40:27.640 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: What is factual asr-003222 02:40:27.640 --> 02:40:28.680 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in that instance asr-003223 02:40:28.680 --> 02:40:31.620 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the committee and for the rest of the appreciation asr-003224 02:40:31.620 --> 02:40:33.560 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: is that there was an electric asr-003225 02:40:33.560 --> 02:40:35.760 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: vehicle in the vessel asr-003226 02:40:35.760 --> 02:40:37.420 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in Coron, but there were also asr-003227 02:40:37.420 --> 02:40:39.340 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: internal combustion engines. asr-003228 02:40:40.120 --> 02:40:41.620 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: That's why there is no finding yet asr-003229 02:40:41.620 --> 02:40:43.260 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: that the fire asr-003230 02:40:43.260 --> 02:40:45.320 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: was caused by the electric vehicle. asr-003231 02:40:45.720 --> 02:40:47.040 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: But in any event, Mr. Chair, asr-003232 02:40:47.480 --> 02:40:49.060 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the DOE, through the asr-003233 02:40:49.060 --> 02:40:51.040 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: EVIDA Technical Working Group, is coordinating asr-003234 02:40:51.040 --> 02:40:53.100 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: with Marina and the Bureau of Fire Protection. asr-003235 02:40:53.360 --> 02:40:55.440 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: To come out with updated guidance asr-003236 02:40:55.440 --> 02:40:57.320 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: so that all of our asr-003237 02:40:57.320 --> 02:40:59.600 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: government is aware on how to proceed asr-003238 02:40:59.600 --> 02:40:59.960 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: on this. asr-003239 02:41:00.540 --> 02:41:03.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you for that. Itong binabasa ko yung Montenegro lines. asr-003240 02:41:05.740 --> 02:41:07.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Wherein the asr-003241 02:41:07.380 --> 02:41:09.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: initial investigation indicates asr-003242 02:41:09.220 --> 02:41:11.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: that the explosion might have asr-003243 02:41:11.320 --> 02:41:13.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: originated, may have originated asr-003244 02:41:13.420 --> 02:41:15.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: from an electric vehicle. asr-003245 02:41:15.500 --> 02:41:17.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So I think yun yung, yun ba asr-003246 02:41:17.160 --> 02:41:19.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang initial investigation? Parang yun ang asr-003247 02:41:19.360 --> 02:41:21.220 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: That's based on asr-003248 02:41:21.220 --> 02:41:23.180 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: our coordination, Mr. Chair. asr-003249 02:41:23.360 --> 02:41:25.220 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Is that, what is an established asr-003250 02:41:25.220 --> 02:41:27.300 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: fact is there was an electric vehicle asr-003251 02:41:27.300 --> 02:41:29.140 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: but that particular asr-003252 02:41:29.140 --> 02:41:31.460 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: portion has not yet come out asr-003253 02:41:31.460 --> 02:41:33.140 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in any official government asr-003254 02:41:33.140 --> 02:41:35.220 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: investigation. So it's a, I think asr-003255 02:41:35.220 --> 02:41:37.080 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: a proactive approach of Montenegro asr-003256 02:41:37.080 --> 02:41:39.100 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for their vessel safety and asr-003257 02:41:39.100 --> 02:41:41.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the riding. Well, hindi natin pwede asr-003258 02:41:41.240 --> 02:41:43.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: isalang-alang yung safety asr-003259 02:41:43.260 --> 02:41:45.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng mga pasahero. That's number one. asr-003260 02:41:45.680 --> 02:41:47.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But it's important to get asr-003261 02:41:47.260 --> 02:41:48.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: clarity asr-003262 02:41:48.920 --> 02:41:50.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: dahil nga asr-003263 02:41:50.640 --> 02:41:53.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: iniisip ko buong, asr-003264 02:41:53.360 --> 02:41:55.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sa Cebu, Panay Island, asr-003265 02:41:55.580 --> 02:41:56.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: lahat yan puro ro-ro eh. asr-003266 02:41:56.940 --> 02:41:59.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Buhol. It will be a asr-003267 02:41:59.300 --> 02:42:01.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: disincentive to many buyers kung asr-003268 02:42:01.400 --> 02:42:03.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: hindi sila papayagan. asr-003269 02:42:03.580 --> 02:42:05.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So ano lang, let's asr-003270 02:42:05.180 --> 02:42:06.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: clear the asr-003271 02:42:06.620 --> 02:42:08.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: investigation. asr-003272 02:42:09.240 --> 02:42:10.740 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Copy po, Mr. Chair. asr-003273 02:42:10.840 --> 02:42:13.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: My second is the charging stations. asr-003274 02:42:14.140 --> 02:42:15.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Dahil under the law, asr-003275 02:42:16.340 --> 02:42:17.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: hindi talaga binigyan asr-003276 02:42:17.340 --> 02:42:19.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng timetable yung rollout ng asr-003277 02:42:19.060 --> 02:42:20.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: charging station. You know this, Director. asr-003278 02:42:21.220 --> 02:42:22.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We gave the power to the DOE. asr-003279 02:42:23.360 --> 02:42:25.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: At marami na akong nakukuhang asr-003280 02:42:25.320 --> 02:42:27.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mga comments sa mga asr-003281 02:42:27.520 --> 02:42:29.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: electric vehicle asr-003282 02:42:29.640 --> 02:42:31.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: owners na yung asr-003283 02:42:31.160 --> 02:42:32.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: condominium nila kulang ng asr-003284 02:42:32.900 --> 02:42:35.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: charging station. Sa mall, asr-003285 02:42:35.100 --> 02:42:36.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kulang ng charging stations. asr-003286 02:42:38.240 --> 02:42:39.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: The reason asr-003287 02:42:39.300 --> 02:42:41.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: why we gave the DOE that power asr-003288 02:42:41.440 --> 02:42:43.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: because we don't know how fast, asr-003289 02:42:43.320 --> 02:42:45.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: how slow the adoption will asr-003290 02:42:45.320 --> 02:42:47.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: be. Depending yan on asr-003291 02:42:47.020 --> 02:42:49.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the situation and many things. asr-003292 02:42:49.500 --> 02:42:51.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So we didn't put in asr-003293 02:42:51.300 --> 02:42:53.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the law the rollout of the asr-003294 02:42:53.140 --> 02:42:55.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: charging station. We gave that power to asr-003295 02:42:55.080 --> 02:42:57.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the DOE. But right now, wala pa tayong asr-003296 02:42:57.480 --> 02:42:58.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ganun na circular. asr-003297 02:42:58.920 --> 02:43:01.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But now, I think we're in a point asr-003298 02:43:01.080 --> 02:43:03.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: right now that people are looking for charging stations. asr-003299 02:43:03.760 --> 02:43:05.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And we can mandate asr-003300 02:43:05.000 --> 02:43:06.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: under the law, DOE can mandate asr-003301 02:43:06.780 --> 02:43:09.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the installation of charging stations. asr-003302 02:43:11.180 --> 02:43:12.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: After the circular is asr-003303 02:43:12.820 --> 02:43:13.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: just asr-003304 02:43:13.520 --> 02:43:16.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: about to be released, asr-003305 02:43:17.320 --> 02:43:19.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we just need to consider some asr-003306 02:43:19.000 --> 02:43:21.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: comments lang because some asr-003307 02:43:21.040 --> 02:43:23.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of the commercial, asr-003308 02:43:23.140 --> 02:43:24.780 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: commercial establishments need asr-003309 02:43:24.780 --> 02:43:27.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a little more grace period asr-003310 02:43:27.300 --> 02:43:28.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because of the cost of asr-003311 02:43:28.900 --> 02:43:31.220 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: installing it also. So that's asr-003312 02:43:31.220 --> 02:43:32.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: just the only part that we're considering. asr-003313 02:43:33.080 --> 02:43:34.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But the rest on the condominiums asr-003314 02:43:34.820 --> 02:43:36.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and all the other establishments, asr-003315 02:43:36.980 --> 02:43:39.240 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: okay na siya. A few more months. asr-003316 02:43:39.400 --> 02:43:40.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: A few more days. asr-003317 02:43:40.560 --> 02:43:43.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Let's follow up asr-003318 02:43:43.120 --> 02:43:44.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ko lang yung circular na yan. asr-003319 02:43:45.280 --> 02:43:46.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Again, I talked to asr-003320 02:43:46.960 --> 02:43:48.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the industry and asr-003321 02:43:48.840 --> 02:43:50.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron na tayo kasing momentum. asr-003322 02:43:50.880 --> 02:43:52.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So ang hesitating asr-003323 02:43:53.140 --> 02:43:55.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na lang nung further asr-003324 02:43:55.040 --> 02:43:56.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: momentum is the charging station. asr-003325 02:43:57.420 --> 02:43:58.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi pila-pila raw sa asr-003326 02:43:58.820 --> 02:44:00.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kondo nila dahil iisa lang. So asr-003327 02:44:00.720 --> 02:44:02.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think it's about time to asr-003328 02:44:02.900 --> 02:44:04.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: already use that power so that asr-003329 02:44:04.860 --> 02:44:06.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: establishments can asr-003330 02:44:06.460 --> 02:44:07.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: be mandated. asr-003331 02:44:09.640 --> 02:44:11.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Also my condominium asr-003332 02:44:11.040 --> 02:44:11.400 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: doesn't. asr-003333 02:44:12.080 --> 02:44:14.720 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: With the permission po of the secretary, asr-003334 02:44:15.260 --> 02:44:17.080 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: I'll just state the figures po. asr-003335 02:44:17.180 --> 02:44:17.680 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We now have asr-003336 02:44:17.680 --> 02:44:21.000 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 1,926 EV charging points asr-003337 02:44:21.000 --> 02:44:22.060 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: as of today. asr-003338 02:44:22.060 --> 02:44:23.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And our asr-003339 02:44:23.140 --> 02:44:24.820 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: target is asr-003340 02:44:24.820 --> 02:44:26.780 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 7,000 before asr-003341 02:44:26.780 --> 02:44:29.900 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 2028. So we're almost 25% asr-003342 02:44:29.900 --> 02:44:30.960 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the way there. asr-003343 02:44:31.380 --> 02:44:33.360 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We expect with the issuance asr-003344 02:44:33.360 --> 02:44:35.060 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the joint memorandum circular asr-003345 02:44:35.060 --> 02:44:37.300 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: with DILG, ARTA, asr-003346 02:44:37.840 --> 02:44:39.340 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: DPWH and DOE asr-003347 02:44:39.340 --> 02:44:40.780 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: on the streamline permitting asr-003348 02:44:40.780 --> 02:44:42.680 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: and operation asr-003349 02:44:42.680 --> 02:44:45.500 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the electric vehicle charging station, asr-003350 02:44:46.080 --> 02:44:47.140 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: mas bibilis po yung asr-003351 02:44:47.140 --> 02:44:48.860 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: pag-rollout ng charging station, asr-003352 02:44:49.620 --> 02:44:50.060 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair. asr-003353 02:44:50.620 --> 02:44:51.580 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair, asr-003354 02:44:51.580 --> 02:44:53.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we're asr-003355 02:44:53.140 --> 02:44:55.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we're doing several things just to build asr-003356 02:44:55.580 --> 02:44:56.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on the momentum. asr-003357 02:44:57.180 --> 02:44:59.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We're doing, we plan to have asr-003358 02:44:59.620 --> 02:45:00.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: CARAB asr-003359 02:45:00.000 --> 02:45:02.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: funds for the EVs, and we're asr-003360 02:45:02.060 --> 02:45:03.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: rolling out more asr-003361 02:45:03.340 --> 02:45:05.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: government-funded asr-003362 02:45:05.500 --> 02:45:07.780 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: charging stations, especially on asr-003363 02:45:07.780 --> 02:45:09.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: SLEX and NLEX areas. asr-003364 02:45:10.520 --> 02:45:11.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We're allotting asr-003365 02:45:11.820 --> 02:45:13.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: more funding for that from the asr-003366 02:45:13.900 --> 02:45:15.240 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOE budget. asr-003367 02:45:16.020 --> 02:45:17.220 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And then also, we asr-003368 02:45:17.220 --> 02:45:19.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: are trying to, we are entering asr-003369 02:45:19.820 --> 02:45:21.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: into agreements with the LGUs asr-003370 02:45:21.520 --> 02:45:23.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because, for example, in asr-003371 02:45:23.920 --> 02:45:26.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Bataan, they had an asr-003372 02:45:26.060 --> 02:45:27.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: exclusive agreement asr-003373 02:45:27.840 --> 02:45:29.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with one company, and the company will asr-003374 02:45:29.800 --> 02:45:31.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: be the one putting up the asr-003375 02:45:31.620 --> 02:45:33.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: charging stations, but at the same time, asr-003376 02:45:33.820 --> 02:45:35.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: they procure their vehicles. asr-003377 02:45:35.640 --> 02:45:37.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But it works like that, and we're trying to find asr-003378 02:45:37.760 --> 02:45:39.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: more LGUs that will be willing, asr-003379 02:45:39.820 --> 02:45:41.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: especially here in Metro Manila. asr-003380 02:45:41.500 --> 02:45:43.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we're pushing and pushing asr-003381 02:45:43.020 --> 02:45:44.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because asr-003382 02:45:44.420 --> 02:45:47.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's difficult to say at what asr-003383 02:45:47.880 --> 02:45:49.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: point, how many asr-003384 02:45:49.920 --> 02:45:52.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: charging stations do you need asr-003385 02:45:52.060 --> 02:45:53.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to have? Because asr-003386 02:45:53.360 --> 02:45:56.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in some areas, they charge at home. asr-003387 02:45:56.780 --> 02:45:57.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: They don't need asr-003388 02:45:57.840 --> 02:45:58.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: charging stations. asr-003389 02:45:59.800 --> 02:46:01.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We're just pushing lang sa mga highways asr-003390 02:46:01.960 --> 02:46:03.240 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: lang muna, yung mga major asr-003391 02:46:03.240 --> 02:46:05.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: thoroughfares, para they won't asr-003392 02:46:05.900 --> 02:46:07.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: fear traveling to Baguio or going asr-003393 02:46:07.880 --> 02:46:09.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to Batangas. asr-003394 02:46:10.440 --> 02:46:11.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But I think asr-003395 02:46:11.960 --> 02:46:13.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: at a certain point, it asr-003396 02:46:13.900 --> 02:46:15.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: will be organically the, asr-003397 02:46:15.740 --> 02:46:17.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: also the private stakeholders that asr-003398 02:46:17.840 --> 02:46:18.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: will put it up. asr-003399 02:46:20.000 --> 02:46:22.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Well, yun na lang ang kulang, asr-003400 02:46:22.120 --> 02:46:24.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: that circular. Ako, I believe asr-003401 02:46:24.120 --> 02:46:25.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: once you release that circular, asr-003402 02:46:26.980 --> 02:46:28.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: magkakaroon ng mas marami asr-003403 02:46:28.220 --> 02:46:29.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng charging stations sa mga asr-003404 02:46:29.680 --> 02:46:31.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: bahay, building, mall, asr-003405 02:46:31.860 --> 02:46:33.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: offices, and that will encourage asr-003406 02:46:33.460 --> 02:46:35.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: further adoption asr-003407 02:46:35.980 --> 02:46:38.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: of electric vehicles. asr-003408 02:46:39.740 --> 02:46:40.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you. asr-003409 02:46:40.580 --> 02:46:41.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Secretary. asr-003410 02:46:41.780 --> 02:46:43.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I'll wait for my second round. asr-003411 02:46:44.760 --> 02:46:45.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairperson, asr-003412 02:46:45.620 --> 02:46:48.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: makinig muna ako asr-003413 02:46:48.320 --> 02:46:48.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sa iyo. asr-003414 02:46:51.400 --> 02:46:52.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ganito din eh. asr-003415 02:46:55.840 --> 02:46:57.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay na ako sa madaling salita. asr-003416 02:46:57.880 --> 02:46:58.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay na ako. asr-003417 02:46:59.680 --> 02:47:01.840 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kuklosing lang ako. Pagtapos ka na. asr-003418 02:47:02.980 --> 02:47:04.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sige, tuloy ko na, asr-003419 02:47:04.700 --> 02:47:05.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairperson. asr-003420 02:47:06.060 --> 02:47:07.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I just had a question. asr-003421 02:47:08.580 --> 02:47:10.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Follow up lang ako sa inyo. asr-003422 02:47:13.620 --> 02:47:14.380 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Do we have asr-003423 02:47:14.380 --> 02:47:16.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the numbers asr-003424 02:47:16.560 --> 02:47:17.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: of asr-003425 02:47:17.180 --> 02:47:20.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: during, ever since the crisis started, asr-003426 02:47:21.020 --> 02:47:21.900 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: do we know asr-003427 02:47:21.900 --> 02:47:24.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: how much fuel asr-003428 02:47:24.080 --> 02:47:25.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we have saved asr-003429 02:47:25.480 --> 02:47:28.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: by virtue of those who are asr-003430 02:47:28.100 --> 02:47:29.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: using EVs, whether high asr-003431 02:47:29.660 --> 02:47:31.460 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: hybrid or not? If we do, it would be great. asr-003432 02:47:31.540 --> 02:47:33.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: If not, maybe you can find it. Because asr-003433 02:47:33.280 --> 02:47:35.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you know, it's numbers that asr-003434 02:47:35.240 --> 02:47:36.300 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: support asr-003435 02:47:36.300 --> 02:47:39.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: this more sustainable lifestyle. asr-003436 02:47:40.440 --> 02:47:40.960 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Do you have it? asr-003437 02:47:40.960 --> 02:47:42.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We'll generate. asr-003438 02:47:43.560 --> 02:47:45.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: You can estimate that naman, diba? asr-003439 02:47:45.720 --> 02:47:47.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi I was also asking my staff ito. asr-003440 02:47:48.180 --> 02:47:50.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ito yung tanong ko at ito yung sagot. asr-003441 02:47:50.700 --> 02:47:52.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, a hybrid car asr-003442 02:47:52.020 --> 02:47:53.960 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: typically cuts consumption by asr-003443 02:47:53.960 --> 02:47:57.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 35,000 pesos. asr-003444 02:47:58.100 --> 02:47:58.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Tama ba? asr-003445 02:47:59.280 --> 02:47:59.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 35,000 pesos. asr-003446 02:47:59.660 --> 02:48:01.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 35,000 to 45,000 per year. asr-003447 02:48:01.460 --> 02:48:03.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, that's basically 3,000 to 4,000 asr-003448 02:48:03.680 --> 02:48:05.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pesos a month. And that's big asr-003449 02:48:05.280 --> 02:48:07.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for a family or for asr-003450 02:48:07.600 --> 02:48:09.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: an individual. So, asr-003451 02:48:09.920 --> 02:48:11.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: with that in mind, on an individual asr-003452 02:48:11.740 --> 02:48:12.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: basis, asr-003453 02:48:12.800 --> 02:48:14.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: this is asr-003454 02:48:14.740 --> 02:48:17.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: meaningful and then we want to see it collectively asr-003455 02:48:17.740 --> 02:48:19.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: because it also helps you. asr-003456 02:48:19.660 --> 02:48:21.480 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yung stockpile mo na asr-003457 02:48:21.480 --> 02:48:23.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 45 days asr-003458 02:48:23.740 --> 02:48:25.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: or 50 days, how many yung na-extend asr-003459 02:48:25.660 --> 02:48:27.880 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: doon dahil nag-i-EV yung mga tao? asr-003460 02:48:27.880 --> 02:48:28.430 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Diba? asr-003460-split-2 02:48:28.430 --> 02:48:29.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, asr-003461 02:48:29.660 --> 02:48:31.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pre-wire asr-003462 02:48:31.500 --> 02:48:33.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the savings of asr-003463 02:48:33.520 --> 02:48:36.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: electric vehicle, the cost asr-003464 02:48:36.120 --> 02:48:38.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: per kilometer of electric vehicle asr-003465 02:48:38.000 --> 02:48:39.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: is one-third, na? asr-003466 02:48:39.580 --> 02:48:41.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: One-third compared to diesel? asr-003467 02:48:42.880 --> 02:48:43.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Is that correct? asr-003468 02:48:43.480 --> 02:48:46.000 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Correct. Just for the exact figures, asr-003469 02:48:47.060 --> 02:48:48.080 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair, asr-003470 02:48:48.580 --> 02:48:49.720 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: if we say asr-003471 02:48:49.720 --> 02:48:51.660 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 5 pesos per kilometer using an asr-003472 02:48:51.660 --> 02:48:53.320 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: internal combustion engine, asr-003473 02:48:53.920 --> 02:48:55.760 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for a battery asr-003474 02:48:55.760 --> 02:48:57.360 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: electric vehicle, asr-003475 02:48:57.820 --> 02:48:59.520 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: that's only 1 pesos asr-003476 02:48:59.660 --> 02:49:01.620 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: and 50 centavos asr-003477 02:49:01.620 --> 02:49:03.700 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: to run, more or less. asr-003478 02:49:03.840 --> 02:49:05.840 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And then for the PHEV asr-003479 02:49:05.840 --> 02:49:07.720 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: or HEV, it's about 3 pesos and asr-003480 02:49:07.720 --> 02:49:10.120 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 50 centavos per kilometer. asr-003481 02:49:10.380 --> 02:49:11.840 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: So, there's clearly savings as asr-003482 02:49:11.840 --> 02:49:12.780 DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: mentioned by the Secretary. asr-003483 02:49:13.840 --> 02:49:15.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I think to have, asr-003484 02:49:15.800 --> 02:49:17.900 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you know those regular asr-003485 02:49:17.900 --> 02:49:19.720 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: tricycle na pag sa probinsya nakita mo, asr-003486 02:49:19.780 --> 02:49:21.820 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: parang sampu yung nakasakay doon. Parang mukha na asr-003487 02:49:21.820 --> 02:49:22.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: siyang mini-jeep, diba? asr-003488 02:49:23.440 --> 02:49:25.440 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: [unclear] na din EV asr-003489 02:49:25.440 --> 02:49:27.420 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: tricycle? Is it some? And if not, asr-003490 02:49:27.720 --> 02:49:29.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: these are things that we should really be asr-003491 02:49:29.540 --> 02:49:31.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pushing. Kasi, when I talk about this, asr-003492 02:49:31.800 --> 02:49:33.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: sadly, this is probably asr-003493 02:49:33.240 --> 02:49:35.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pang isang tao, yung nagda-drive asr-003494 02:49:35.500 --> 02:49:38.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to work, at best, mag-asawa, asr-003495 02:49:38.680 --> 02:49:39.580 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: best, best, best case asr-003496 02:49:39.580 --> 02:49:41.720 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: scenario, pati mga anak hinahatin, sulit na yun, asr-003497 02:49:41.780 --> 02:49:43.420 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: apat sila, diba? Pero yung asr-003498 02:49:43.420 --> 02:49:45.380 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: sulit talaga is yung tricycle na pang asr-003499 02:49:45.380 --> 02:49:46.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: sampung tao. asr-003500 02:49:46.800 --> 02:49:49.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We do understand. And I think asr-003501 02:49:49.500 --> 02:49:51.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it will come. Because there are many asr-003502 02:49:51.660 --> 02:49:53.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: companies with asr-003503 02:49:53.400 --> 02:49:57.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: they have to design kasi yung mga, asr-003504 02:49:57.360 --> 02:49:59.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: whether it's battery swapping or charging, asr-003505 02:49:59.540 --> 02:50:01.700 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: stations, kailangan whole package yan eh. asr-003506 02:50:02.460 --> 02:50:03.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Kakausapin mo yung toda asr-003507 02:50:03.480 --> 02:50:05.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: para doon sila magcha-charge and asr-003508 02:50:05.600 --> 02:50:07.700 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the facilities have to be asr-003509 02:50:07.700 --> 02:50:09.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there. So, I think it's coming because asr-003510 02:50:09.520 --> 02:50:11.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a few companies are already here asr-003511 02:50:11.480 --> 02:50:13.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: exploring that concept. asr-003512 02:50:13.840 --> 02:50:15.520 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, I just want to make sure we asr-003513 02:50:15.520 --> 02:50:17.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: create that ecosystem that makes it easy asr-003514 02:50:17.640 --> 02:50:19.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for them. Like, pati yung sa LGU, asr-003515 02:50:19.840 --> 02:50:21.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: equip sila with the knowledge to asr-003516 02:50:21.600 --> 02:50:23.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: help, you know, support yung mga asr-003517 02:50:23.540 --> 02:50:25.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: toda. Kasi, LGUs yung mga asr-003518 02:50:25.320 --> 02:50:27.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nakatutok dyan sa mga toda, diba? asr-003519 02:50:27.320 --> 02:50:29.520 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, pag hindi rin nila alam kung paano, asr-003520 02:50:29.540 --> 02:50:31.420 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: matatagalan din. So, let's just asr-003521 02:50:31.420 --> 02:50:33.460 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: support. Okay, anyway, go ahead asr-003522 02:50:33.460 --> 02:50:33.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and answer. asr-003522-split-2 02:50:33.980 --> 02:50:35.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Just as an example, asr-003523 02:50:36.180 --> 02:50:37.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's with the asr-003524 02:50:37.100 --> 02:50:39.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: initiative of the private stakeholders. asr-003525 02:50:40.400 --> 02:50:41.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: For example, they're offering asr-003526 02:50:41.640 --> 02:50:42.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: no down payment asr-003527 02:50:42.980 --> 02:50:44.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for buses asr-003528 02:50:44.360 --> 02:50:47.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na pwede nilang gamitin. asr-003529 02:50:47.840 --> 02:50:49.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, that's, I mean, there asr-003530 02:50:49.400 --> 02:50:51.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: are many packages now coming asr-003531 02:50:51.420 --> 02:50:53.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: out. So, I think it's asr-003532 02:50:53.440 --> 02:50:55.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: just a matter of time na asr-003533 02:50:55.800 --> 02:50:57.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: magka-catch up na yung industry asr-003534 02:50:57.500 --> 02:50:59.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: natin, yung transport industry. Because, asr-003535 02:50:59.540 --> 02:51:01.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: local, asr-003536 02:51:02.200 --> 02:51:03.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: domestic, and international asr-003537 02:51:03.480 --> 02:51:05.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: companies are coming in, trying to explore asr-003538 02:51:05.500 --> 02:51:07.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: where are the opportunities for electric asr-003539 02:51:07.420 --> 02:51:07.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: vehicles. asr-003540 02:51:11.620 --> 02:51:13.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you. Thank you, Chairperson. asr-003541 02:51:15.160 --> 02:51:15.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Autonomous asr-003542 02:51:15.760 --> 02:51:17.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: vehicle na nga pinag-uusapan natin asr-003543 02:51:17.680 --> 02:51:18.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ngayon sa ibang bansa. asr-003544 02:51:19.440 --> 02:51:21.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, pero hindi kaya asr-003545 02:51:21.480 --> 02:51:23.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: dito. Loko-loko asr-003546 02:51:23.280 --> 02:51:25.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mga driver dito, mababangga lang. asr-003547 02:51:29.540 --> 02:51:31.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I'll go to asr-003548 02:51:31.580 --> 02:51:33.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: PNOC. I saw some asr-003549 02:51:33.640 --> 02:51:35.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: items in the budget. Sino na ba asr-003550 02:51:35.740 --> 02:51:37.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang presidente? asr-003551 02:51:38.960 --> 02:51:39.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Mother. asr-003552 02:51:40.700 --> 02:51:41.740 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: That would be asr-003553 02:51:41.740 --> 02:51:42.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: President Chikoy. asr-003554 02:51:43.200 --> 02:51:45.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: President Chikoy. I saw asr-003555 02:51:45.900 --> 02:51:47.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: some items in the budget. asr-003556 02:51:47.640 --> 02:51:48.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron dito sa asr-003557 02:51:48.480 --> 02:51:50.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 2027 NEP. asr-003558 02:51:51.780 --> 02:51:53.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Storage tank farm asr-003559 02:51:53.440 --> 02:51:56.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: project with Maharlika Investment Corporation. asr-003560 02:51:56.020 --> 02:51:57.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion. asr-003561 02:51:59.540 --> 02:52:01.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then, there's also asr-003562 02:52:01.140 --> 02:52:04.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: strategic petroleum asr-003563 02:52:04.820 --> 02:52:06.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reserve study with asr-003564 02:52:06.340 --> 02:52:08.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Japan Meti. asr-003565 02:52:09.000 --> 02:52:09.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion. asr-003566 02:52:10.540 --> 02:52:12.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Can we get details asr-003567 02:52:12.580 --> 02:52:13.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: on asr-003568 02:52:13.160 --> 02:52:16.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion yung feasibility study? asr-003569 02:52:17.940 --> 02:52:18.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Mahal, ah? asr-003570 02:52:19.460 --> 02:52:20.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Is that the amount? asr-003571 02:52:21.360 --> 02:52:22.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion na feasibility asr-003572 02:52:22.560 --> 02:52:24.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: study? Madam Chair, asr-003573 02:52:25.760 --> 02:52:26.880 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Senate President, wala na po asr-003574 02:52:26.880 --> 02:52:28.360 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: yung study na po na 8 billion. asr-003575 02:52:28.500 --> 02:52:29.520 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Yung 8 billion po na yan, gagamitin na lang po asr-003576 02:52:29.520 --> 02:52:30.740 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: para dun sa asr-003577 02:52:30.740 --> 02:52:32.120 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: storage tank farm na asr-003578 02:52:32.120 --> 02:52:34.740 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: first phase po na magiging 1 million asr-003579 02:52:34.740 --> 02:52:35.420 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: barrels po. asr-003580 02:52:36.100 --> 02:52:37.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, wala na itong asr-003581 02:52:37.020 --> 02:52:38.440 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong Meti? asr-003582 02:52:39.140 --> 02:52:41.040 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Wala na po, Madam Chair. asr-003583 02:52:41.140 --> 02:52:43.220 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Nilagay lang po yan dyan para pwede pong magamit dun asr-003584 02:52:43.220 --> 02:52:45.340 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: kung kailangan for the study. asr-003585 02:52:45.460 --> 02:52:46.940 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: And pwede rin siya gamitin for the asr-003586 02:52:46.940 --> 02:52:47.880 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: storage tank farm. asr-003587 02:52:48.300 --> 02:52:50.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We recognize the presence of the asr-003588 02:52:50.720 --> 02:52:52.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman of the Finance Committee asr-003589 02:52:52.920 --> 02:52:54.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na hilong-hilo na. asr-003590 02:52:57.260 --> 02:52:58.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman JV Ejercito. asr-003591 02:52:59.520 --> 02:53:10.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman Alvarez, itong 8 billion tank farm, a project with Maharlika, this is a joint project with Maharlika Investment Fund. asr-003592 02:53:11.860 --> 02:53:21.060 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Supposed to be, Madam Chair, pero gagawin po namin yan, mauna na po yung PNOC kasi kung mag-aantayan pa po kami ng Maharlika matagal po. asr-003593 02:53:21.600 --> 02:53:27.860 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: So, ang gagawin yan, mauna na po ang PNOC and then kung gusto po mag-buy in or pumasok ni Maharlika, pwede po siya na pumasok. asr-003594 02:53:28.640 --> 02:53:29.500 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Pero uunahan na po. asr-003595 02:53:29.520 --> 02:53:31.400 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: So, ang gagawin na po ng PNOC para gumalaw na po tayo. asr-003596 02:53:31.500 --> 02:53:33.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron ba kayong, can you describe to us, asr-003597 02:53:33.360 --> 02:53:34.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tayo magpapatayo ng asr-003598 02:53:34.860 --> 02:53:37.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: farm, tayo bibili asr-003599 02:53:37.620 --> 02:53:39.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng inventory, tayo magbebenta asr-003600 02:53:39.520 --> 02:53:41.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng inventory, how does that work? asr-003601 02:53:42.700 --> 02:53:43.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Alam mo yung presyo asr-003602 02:53:43.700 --> 02:53:45.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng langis, up and down, up and down yan. asr-003603 02:53:45.500 --> 02:53:46.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pag bumili ka ng mataas, asr-003604 02:53:47.300 --> 02:53:49.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: bumaba yan, lugi ka agad gobyerno. asr-003605 02:53:49.800 --> 02:53:50.680 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, we need to, asr-003606 02:53:51.720 --> 02:53:53.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: this is a very specialized asr-003607 02:53:53.080 --> 02:53:55.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: business. I do agree na asr-003608 02:53:55.600 --> 02:53:57.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kailangan may reserve, but the asr-003609 02:53:57.480 --> 02:53:59.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: model of how to do the reserve is a asr-003610 02:53:59.400 --> 02:54:01.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: very tricky one. Kaya nasabi asr-003611 02:54:01.600 --> 02:54:02.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kanina ni asr-003612 02:54:02.300 --> 02:54:05.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Senator Erwin, kung mayroong mamumuhunan, asr-003613 02:54:05.660 --> 02:54:07.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: silang magbibili, silang maglalagay doon, asr-003614 02:54:08.060 --> 02:54:09.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: may access lang tayo tuwing asr-003615 02:54:09.620 --> 02:54:13.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: may merong aberration or may shock. asr-003616 02:54:14.140 --> 02:54:15.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think that's a workable asr-003617 02:54:15.580 --> 02:54:17.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: model. Pero yung tayo bibili, tayo asr-003618 02:54:17.480 --> 02:54:19.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mag-hold, that's a very asr-003619 02:54:19.660 --> 02:54:21.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: risky, that 8 billion asr-003620 02:54:21.520 --> 02:54:22.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pwede mawala yan overnight. asr-003621 02:54:23.280 --> 02:54:25.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, we need to study that carefully. asr-003622 02:54:25.240 --> 02:54:25.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sir Chair, asr-003623 02:54:26.920 --> 02:54:28.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: drawing from the experience of the oil, asr-003624 02:54:29.400 --> 02:54:31.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: oil crisis, asr-003625 02:54:32.360 --> 02:54:35.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we bought our own asr-003626 02:54:35.820 --> 02:54:37.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserves, let's say, asr-003627 02:54:38.000 --> 02:54:39.780 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for about, almost about asr-003628 02:54:39.780 --> 02:54:42.140 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 20 billion. Hindi naman naubos asr-003629 02:54:42.140 --> 02:54:43.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yan. But asr-003630 02:54:43.260 --> 02:54:45.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: since we don't have any tanks, asr-003631 02:54:45.640 --> 02:54:47.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we had to resort to renting asr-003632 02:54:47.420 --> 02:54:49.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or using the tanks of the asr-003633 02:54:49.600 --> 02:54:51.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: private companies. And that's asr-003634 02:54:51.900 --> 02:54:53.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: costly also. asr-003635 02:54:53.780 --> 02:54:54.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, asr-003636 02:54:54.120 --> 02:54:58.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: having learned asr-003637 02:54:58.300 --> 02:54:59.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na dapat talaga, asr-003638 02:54:59.400 --> 02:55:01.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: government, or even a reserve asr-003639 02:55:01.320 --> 02:55:03.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: should be optimized. asr-003640 02:55:05.140 --> 02:55:06.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Hence, we need asr-003641 02:55:06.260 --> 02:55:08.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: tanks, the government itself. asr-003642 02:55:08.840 --> 02:55:10.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Kaya lang, sobrang siyang asr-003643 02:55:10.420 --> 02:55:12.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: very, it's a very expensive endeavor. asr-003644 02:55:12.680 --> 02:55:14.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, the idea is to have asr-003645 02:55:14.320 --> 02:55:15.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: our own reserves, at least to asr-003646 02:55:15.840 --> 02:55:17.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: target about asr-003647 02:55:17.860 --> 02:55:19.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 60 plus 60 days. asr-003648 02:55:20.360 --> 02:55:21.860 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 60 days. asr-003649 02:55:22.300 --> 02:55:23.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 60 days. asr-003650 02:55:23.780 --> 02:55:25.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: That will come over time because asr-003651 02:55:25.500 --> 02:55:27.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 1 million is only 5 days. asr-003652 02:55:28.040 --> 02:55:29.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, but we can asr-003653 02:55:29.400 --> 02:55:30.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: scale it up over time. asr-003654 02:55:31.500 --> 02:55:33.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Para magkaroon tayo ng total asr-003655 02:55:33.480 --> 02:55:35.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of 60 days na asr-003656 02:55:35.300 --> 02:55:37.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserve dito sa asr-003657 02:55:37.320 --> 02:55:39.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Aten. And then, asr-003658 02:55:39.340 --> 02:55:41.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: including also asr-003659 02:55:41.540 --> 02:55:43.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the private asr-003660 02:55:43.400 --> 02:55:45.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserve also. So, a total of asr-003661 02:55:45.440 --> 02:55:47.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 60. Hopefully, we can scale that. asr-003662 02:55:47.900 --> 02:55:48.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, as asr-003663 02:55:48.720 --> 02:55:51.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the entity na bagay asr-003664 02:55:51.440 --> 02:55:53.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: dito, kasi it's Philippine National Oil Company, asr-003665 02:55:54.140 --> 02:55:55.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's mandated for asr-003666 02:55:55.340 --> 02:55:57.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: energy security. Hence, we asr-003667 02:55:57.340 --> 02:55:59.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: assigned it to PNOC, asr-003668 02:55:59.400 --> 02:55:59.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: my mother. asr-003669 02:56:00.720 --> 02:56:03.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: At coincidentally, they have the asr-003670 02:56:03.280 --> 02:56:05.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: property na rin. So, ang gagawin asr-003671 02:56:05.340 --> 02:56:05.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ng asr-003672 02:56:05.580 --> 02:56:09.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: basic purpose ng reserve asr-003673 02:56:09.420 --> 02:56:11.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: is just really to secure ourselves asr-003674 02:56:11.540 --> 02:56:13.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: whenever things like this happens. asr-003675 02:56:13.640 --> 02:56:15.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And other countries are already doing that. asr-003676 02:56:16.000 --> 02:56:17.000 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: They do it asr-003677 02:56:17.000 --> 02:56:19.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in crude oil asr-003678 02:56:19.300 --> 02:56:20.680 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or in petroleum products. asr-003679 02:56:21.620 --> 02:56:23.100 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We can do both asr-003680 02:56:23.100 --> 02:56:25.180 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because it's right beside the asr-003681 02:56:25.180 --> 02:56:26.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: refinery of Petron. asr-003682 02:56:26.720 --> 02:56:28.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, pwede siya maging crude na walang asr-003683 02:56:28.880 --> 02:56:29.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: expiration. asr-003684 02:56:29.400 --> 02:56:31.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And part of it can be petroleum asr-003685 02:56:31.320 --> 02:56:33.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: also. But that can come later asr-003686 02:56:33.300 --> 02:56:34.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nalang the decision of that. asr-003687 02:56:34.980 --> 02:56:36.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: MIC can come in, but asr-003688 02:56:36.340 --> 02:56:39.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: at the same time, we can also asr-003689 02:56:39.200 --> 02:56:41.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: welcome Adnoc or Masdar asr-003690 02:56:41.120 --> 02:56:43.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or any other companies to partner asr-003691 02:56:43.040 --> 02:56:43.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with PNOC. asr-003692 02:56:44.960 --> 02:56:46.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Will it sell? asr-003693 02:56:47.220 --> 02:56:48.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Will it do the commercial? asr-003694 02:56:49.540 --> 02:56:51.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think it will be more of asr-003695 02:56:51.020 --> 02:56:53.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: renting it out rather than doing asr-003696 02:56:53.200 --> 02:56:54.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the commercial side of it na asr-003697 02:56:54.760 --> 02:56:56.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: si PNOC mismo yung magiging asr-003698 02:56:56.960 --> 02:56:58.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: core business siya yung magbibenta ng petroleum. asr-003699 02:56:59.400 --> 02:57:01.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think it's more of the storage facility asr-003700 02:57:01.380 --> 02:57:03.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: rather than the trading of it. asr-003701 02:57:04.400 --> 02:57:05.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Is that the reason bakit asr-003702 02:57:05.640 --> 02:57:07.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nasa contingency fund siya? asr-003703 02:57:08.800 --> 02:57:10.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Mr. Chair, we requested asr-003704 02:57:10.080 --> 02:57:11.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that kasi asr-003705 02:57:11.300 --> 02:57:14.260 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: if PNOC asr-003706 02:57:14.260 --> 02:57:15.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi can only asr-003707 02:57:15.200 --> 02:57:17.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: access it if it's under asr-003708 02:57:17.880 --> 02:57:18.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the GAA. asr-003709 02:57:20.340 --> 02:57:21.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, para wala na kaming asr-003710 02:57:21.820 --> 02:57:23.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: hihingin sa GAA, i-access na lang nila asr-003711 02:57:23.820 --> 02:57:24.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yung corporate funds. asr-003712 02:57:25.520 --> 02:57:26.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi ang kanyang asr-003713 02:57:26.860 --> 02:57:27.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ah asr-003714 02:57:27.480 --> 02:57:28.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ah asr-003715 02:57:29.400 --> 02:57:31.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: categories contingency fund eh. asr-003716 02:57:33.000 --> 02:57:33.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion asr-003717 02:57:33.600 --> 02:57:34.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: contingency fund. asr-003718 02:57:43.760 --> 02:57:44.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But asr-003719 02:57:44.480 --> 02:57:46.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: contingency fund siya? asr-003720 02:57:46.060 --> 02:57:48.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It's already in a capital outlay. Parang baka asr-003721 02:57:48.320 --> 02:57:50.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: baka hindi lang updated sa asr-003722 02:57:50.340 --> 02:57:51.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ah, okay. asr-003723 02:57:51.300 --> 02:57:53.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes. It's already in a capital asr-003724 02:57:53.120 --> 02:57:54.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: outlay of PNOC. asr-003725 02:57:55.940 --> 02:57:56.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tama ba? asr-003726 02:57:56.980 --> 02:57:57.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Not by me? asr-003727 02:57:59.400 --> 02:58:00.400 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sorry. asr-003728 02:58:01.640 --> 02:58:02.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi, pero nasa asr-003729 02:58:02.980 --> 02:58:03.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Capital outlay. asr-003730 02:58:05.360 --> 02:58:07.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Capital outlay pa rin yung asr-003731 02:58:07.220 --> 02:58:08.720 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: object niya. Pero asr-003732 02:58:08.720 --> 02:58:10.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: contingency fund will work. asr-003733 02:58:11.980 --> 02:58:12.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. asr-003734 02:58:12.820 --> 02:58:13.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. asr-003735 02:58:15.800 --> 02:58:17.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Bakit contingency fund? asr-003736 02:58:17.440 --> 02:58:18.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: What are we asr-003737 02:58:18.540 --> 02:58:20.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: preparing for? asr-003738 02:58:21.380 --> 02:58:22.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Diba? Contingency ko. asr-003739 02:58:22.780 --> 02:58:22.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, asr-003740 02:58:22.900 --> 02:58:28.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: capital outlay siya sir, under capital outlay? asr-003741 02:58:29.400 --> 02:58:32.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. Hindi, dapat investment siya, hindi siya contingency. asr-003742 02:58:32.300 --> 02:58:33.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Investment outlay yung object niya. asr-003743 02:58:33.540 --> 02:58:33.740 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-003744 02:58:35.080 --> 02:58:37.620 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Madam Chair, ah, hindi na po siya kasi, ah, asr-003745 02:58:37.620 --> 02:58:40.840 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: contingency fund, nasa NEP level na po siya. asr-003746 02:58:40.840 --> 02:58:44.940 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: So, ah, baka luma pa po yung nakalagay po diyan, ah, asr-003747 02:58:45.780 --> 02:58:46.860 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: ah, Mr. Senate President. asr-003748 02:58:47.460 --> 02:58:51.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, hindi, kasi nasa capital outlay siya. So, bibili ka ng asset, diba? asr-003749 02:58:52.000 --> 02:58:52.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ayun pa. asr-003750 02:58:52.460 --> 02:58:55.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, bakit siyang contingency ang kanyang category? asr-003751 02:58:56.740 --> 02:58:57.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Eh, hindi na? asr-003752 02:58:57.740 --> 02:58:58.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi na siya contingency. asr-003753 02:58:58.400 --> 02:58:58.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ah, okay. asr-003754 02:58:58.900 --> 02:59:02.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, bibili tayo ng asset, ah, and that, those are the tanks. asr-003755 02:59:03.420 --> 02:59:03.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tama? asr-003756 02:59:03.880 --> 02:59:10.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We are, we're, we're spending 8 billion to build tanks in the PNOC facility. asr-003757 02:59:10.600 --> 02:59:11.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, Madam Chair. asr-003758 02:59:11.520 --> 02:59:14.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, ah, tanks, the port, everything else that's needed. asr-003759 02:59:14.440 --> 02:59:20.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And how many, ah, barrels of oil are we thinking of holding? asr-003760 02:59:21.300 --> 02:59:25.900 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Um, initially po, um, Madam Chair, diyan po sa, ah, 8 billion, asr-003761 02:59:26.080 --> 02:59:28.140 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: makakagawa po tayo ng 1 million barrels po. asr-003762 02:59:28.140 --> 02:59:28.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 1 million? asr-003763 02:59:28.900 --> 02:59:31.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 1 million barrels, ah, in any given time? asr-003764 02:59:32.800 --> 02:59:33.280 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Ah, yes, ma'am. asr-003765 02:59:33.340 --> 02:59:34.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: An ang consumption natin? asr-003766 02:59:36.280 --> 02:59:37.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, nga, ba 200? asr-003767 02:59:38.340 --> 02:59:38.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ma 200? asr-003768 02:59:39.160 --> 02:59:39.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 300? asr-003769 02:59:42.440 --> 02:59:43.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 200,000? asr-003770 02:59:44.860 --> 02:59:47.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 400 a day? asr-003771 02:59:49.260 --> 02:59:54.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, we're just talking about, ah, 2 days, 3 days, no? asr-003772 02:59:54.840 --> 02:59:55.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. asr-003773 02:59:55.800 --> 02:59:56.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes. asr-003774 02:59:56.100 --> 02:59:58.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And, yeah, alam ko mahal, no? asr-003775 02:59:58.900 --> 02:59:59.920 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I, I know it's, ah. asr-003776 03:00:00.000 --> 03:00:04.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, it's a hindi maliit na bagay yan. asr-003777 03:00:04.580 --> 03:00:09.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But I'm thinking we're spending 8 billion to have an inventory of 2 days, 3 days. asr-003778 03:00:09.740 --> 03:00:14.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Is that a wise decision? asr-003779 03:00:15.060 --> 03:00:16.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion kasi malaking amount. asr-003780 03:00:17.260 --> 03:00:19.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But in oil terms, maliit yung amount. asr-003781 03:00:19.620 --> 03:00:24.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, I don't know how 2 days, 3 days worth of inventory can help. asr-003782 03:00:24.560 --> 03:00:32.560 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, eventually, the private stakeholders can build it. asr-003783 03:00:32.880 --> 03:00:33.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. asr-003784 03:00:34.100 --> 03:00:41.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We are hoping that eventually, this will give the government its own storage. asr-003785 03:00:41.840 --> 03:00:47.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But we want to develop the Philippines as one of the regional hubs for oil. asr-003786 03:00:48.320 --> 03:00:53.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But they come in, they can build their own tanks, or we can build a tank for them. asr-003787 03:00:53.740 --> 03:00:54.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And they rent. asr-003788 03:00:54.560 --> 03:00:58.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, there are many possibilities with this project. asr-003789 03:00:59.580 --> 03:01:05.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Pwede sila yung, pwede naman mag-partner si PNOC with some of the supplier countries, asr-003790 03:01:05.800 --> 03:01:07.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or we can partner with MIC. asr-003791 03:01:07.820 --> 03:01:12.960 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But what we wanted is just to prove a concept that we can do it in the Philippines asr-003792 03:01:12.960 --> 03:01:18.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and we can develop more because PNOC has the area naman in Bataan. asr-003793 03:01:20.060 --> 03:01:21.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you for that. asr-003794 03:01:21.240 --> 03:01:24.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But submit na lang kasi we've been talking about this. asr-003795 03:01:24.560 --> 03:01:27.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Strategic Petroleum Reserve or Reserve for a very long time. asr-003796 03:01:28.740 --> 03:01:31.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And medyo nabulaga tayo nung Iran conflict. asr-003797 03:01:31.720 --> 03:01:38.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And now, I can see that we're doing some concrete actions to build actual tanks this coming year. asr-003798 03:01:39.360 --> 03:01:40.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: This coming 2027. asr-003799 03:01:40.540 --> 03:01:46.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: The target of Chico is 2020, ano? asr-003800 03:01:46.400 --> 03:01:48.120 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: June 30, 2028. asr-003801 03:01:48.160 --> 03:01:50.180 PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: At least one tank by the end of next year po. asr-003802 03:01:50.500 --> 03:01:53.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, just submit to us a write-up. asr-003803 03:01:54.560 --> 03:02:04.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: A concept paper on this Strategic Petroleum Reserve that will be built by PNOC. asr-003804 03:02:05.960 --> 03:02:10.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Lastly, sa PNOC, gusto ko lang mag... asr-003805 03:02:11.260 --> 03:02:12.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I just want to commend PNOC. asr-003806 03:02:13.460 --> 03:02:18.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Then finally, yung RC na parang limang... asr-003807 03:02:18.400 --> 03:02:24.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairperson P, parang six years ako naging chairman ng energy family. asr-003808 03:02:24.560 --> 03:02:30.400 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: At parati kong sinasabi, itong PNOC, RC, i-wind down na dahil nalulugi. asr-003809 03:02:30.960 --> 03:02:32.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: After six years, nangyari na rin. asr-003810 03:02:34.260 --> 03:02:39.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, but I would like to commend PNOC for moving for that. asr-003811 03:02:39.900 --> 03:02:40.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sayang eh. Sayang yung pera. asr-003812 03:02:41.040 --> 03:02:43.380 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We're losing 200, 300 million a year. asr-003813 03:02:44.620 --> 03:02:46.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sayang yung pera. asr-003814 03:02:46.420 --> 03:02:53.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, with that, I'll yield to our chairperson, our chairman, Chairman JV Ejercito. asr-003815 03:02:54.560 --> 03:02:58.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Sir President, Madam Chair. asr-003816 03:02:58.680 --> 03:03:00.780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Anyway, I'm here, of course, to... asr-003817 03:03:00.780 --> 03:03:07.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I guess all the issues were already discussed extensively. asr-003818 03:03:07.440 --> 03:03:14.700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At aputan ko naman yung issue about the reserves, which are... asr-003819 03:03:14.700 --> 03:03:23.700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I'm also interested to wait for yung inyong study or yung inyong special... asr-003820 03:03:24.560 --> 03:03:26.820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Also, yung special provision that you would need, no? asr-003821 03:03:26.900 --> 03:03:27.840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Alam ko ano kailangan ito. asr-003822 03:03:27.940 --> 03:03:29.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So that it can... asr-003823 03:03:29.220 --> 03:03:33.620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So that the budget of the PNOC can be utilized, no? asr-003824 03:03:33.660 --> 03:03:36.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Para magamit ito for the use of the reserve. asr-003825 03:03:37.100 --> 03:03:37.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yun lang siguro. asr-003826 03:03:37.880 --> 03:03:39.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Siguro, quickly lang, Sec. asr-003827 03:03:40.480 --> 03:03:41.880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, yung ating reserve, no? asr-003828 03:03:41.920 --> 03:03:45.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Bago nung oil crisis, pag-usapan niya, mga 60 days ang total natin, no? asr-003829 03:03:45.640 --> 03:03:46.020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Meron. asr-003830 03:03:46.020 --> 03:03:50.460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, with this, yung inyong pong plan, to add some more, asr-003831 03:03:50.520 --> 03:03:54.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ilan yung magiging total natin, yung target natin in the coming year, asr-003832 03:03:54.560 --> 03:04:02.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Actually, our proposal in Congress on their bill kasi is 60 plus 60. asr-003833 03:04:03.680 --> 03:04:05.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 30 plus 60. asr-003834 03:04:05.740 --> 03:04:08.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 30 sa private, 60 sa government. asr-003835 03:04:09.240 --> 03:04:12.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: That's the long-term objective. asr-003836 03:04:13.600 --> 03:04:15.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: If we build... asr-003837 03:04:15.020 --> 03:04:19.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, now we're asking the private na i-30 nila kasi iba niyan 15 lang eh. asr-003838 03:04:19.880 --> 03:04:21.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, gagawin na nalang 30. asr-003839 03:04:21.540 --> 03:04:22.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Pumayag na sila. asr-003840 03:04:23.000 --> 03:04:24.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Ang gobyerno nalang. asr-003841 03:04:24.560 --> 03:04:25.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Magbibuild up. asr-003842 03:04:25.400 --> 03:04:27.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Now, we cannot build 60 days of reserve. asr-003843 03:04:27.900 --> 03:04:29.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We don't have the funds for that. asr-003844 03:04:30.640 --> 03:04:32.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We will use the interest, no? asr-003845 03:04:33.040 --> 03:04:35.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: May interested companies na gusto nila magpatayo. asr-003846 03:04:36.180 --> 03:04:39.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We will help them build their tanks here. asr-003847 03:04:39.080 --> 03:04:44.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And with the condition na in case of times like the crisis, asr-003848 03:04:44.920 --> 03:04:47.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there's a preferential treatment to the host country. asr-003849 03:04:48.360 --> 03:04:51.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yun yung ini-envision namin for this project. asr-003850 03:04:51.860 --> 03:04:54.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we start with the... asr-003851 03:04:54.560 --> 03:04:56.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 2-3 days muna na sa reserve. asr-003852 03:04:56.820 --> 03:05:02.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And then we'll build it up over the years once magkaroon ng funding or investors that come in. asr-003853 03:05:04.180 --> 03:05:08.780 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, mga 40, 50 tayo on average now. asr-003854 03:05:09.240 --> 03:05:11.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, hopefully, we reach double that someday. asr-003855 03:05:12.700 --> 03:05:18.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes, because as you all know, we found out how important it was, no? asr-003856 03:05:18.300 --> 03:05:23.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Especially during itong start ng Middle East conflict. asr-003857 03:05:23.400 --> 03:05:23.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And now, asr-003858 03:05:24.560 --> 03:05:26.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: but kasi we really have to be prepared for this, no? asr-003859 03:05:27.940 --> 03:05:31.480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi natin alam kung anong magiging gising na naman ni Trump kasi, no? asr-003860 03:05:32.340 --> 03:05:36.900 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, we really have to prepare for this and be... asr-003861 03:05:37.900 --> 03:05:39.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We have to do it already. asr-003862 03:05:39.420 --> 03:05:41.420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kaya nga kung kinakailangan natin gawin ito. asr-003863 03:05:41.940 --> 03:05:48.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi naman kaya naman agad-agad ito because we know that it entails a big amount, no? asr-003864 03:05:49.420 --> 03:05:53.900 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But kung kaya natin i-multi-year ganon or at least to start, asr-003865 03:05:54.560 --> 03:05:58.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: because these are things that we really need to do, no? asr-003866 03:05:59.040 --> 03:06:03.940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, I support yung sinabi na ating Senate President to give us so that we can review. asr-003867 03:06:04.600 --> 03:06:06.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: In the same manner, parang ano tayo lagi eh. asr-003868 03:06:06.540 --> 03:06:14.740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: That, ano, talagang nag-reactive tayo lagi, no? asr-003869 03:06:15.260 --> 03:06:19.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And the same, kakagali ko lang rin sa NIA na meron pa lang yung mga, asr-003870 03:06:19.600 --> 03:06:23.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for example, yung pagwan-pagawa sila ng kung ano-anong ma-irrigation, asr-003871 03:06:23.360 --> 03:06:24.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: pero wala naman tayong bulk water. asr-003872 03:06:24.560 --> 03:06:29.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi kailangan natin retention, no? asr-003873 03:06:30.080 --> 03:06:31.320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: During the dry days. asr-003874 03:06:31.680 --> 03:06:32.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi ginagawa. asr-003875 03:06:32.720 --> 03:06:33.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ngayon lang gagawin. asr-003876 03:06:33.880 --> 03:06:35.900 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dapat should have been done years ago. asr-003877 03:06:36.280 --> 03:06:39.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, that's in the same way that kung kahit balik, asr-003878 03:06:39.900 --> 03:06:41.480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: but if we really have to do it, asr-003879 03:06:41.960 --> 03:06:44.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: if we can start on it already, asr-003880 03:06:45.100 --> 03:06:46.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sabihin nyo lang kung next, kung 2027, asr-003881 03:06:47.460 --> 03:06:51.180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: if we have to at least start the ball rolling already. asr-003882 03:06:52.240 --> 03:06:53.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, asr-003883 03:06:53.060 --> 03:06:57.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the good thing about this project is it will not be from GAA. asr-003884 03:06:57.380 --> 03:07:01.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It will be from the corporate funds of PNOC, kaya hindi siya dagdag. asr-003885 03:07:01.980 --> 03:07:05.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But at the same time, there is a huge possibility na asr-003886 03:07:05.500 --> 03:07:08.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: private investors ang papasok eventually. asr-003887 03:07:08.300 --> 03:07:13.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we'll put it at a minimum cost to the government asr-003888 03:07:13.300 --> 03:07:16.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on the national coffers, no? asr-003889 03:07:16.180 --> 03:07:18.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Para hindi siya magagagastos ng government. asr-003890 03:07:18.460 --> 03:07:22.140 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Because this is a very good commercial activity anyway asr-003891 03:07:22.140 --> 03:07:23.040 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for those. asr-003892 03:07:23.060 --> 03:07:25.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, I'm most interested to put it here in the Philippines. asr-003893 03:07:25.600 --> 03:07:30.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But yes, we have assessed as a reaction also to the Middle East, guys. asr-003894 03:07:30.800 --> 03:07:34.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We are insecure in terms of our fuel, asr-003895 03:07:34.900 --> 03:07:37.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: specifically on petroleum products, asr-003896 03:07:37.980 --> 03:07:39.280 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: even on gas, asr-003897 03:07:39.840 --> 03:07:41.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and on coal. asr-003898 03:07:42.360 --> 03:07:44.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, those are the three fuels na asr-003899 03:07:44.420 --> 03:07:48.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we're trying to develop some kind of terminal or storage asr-003900 03:07:48.580 --> 03:07:52.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: so that we can have at least some security asr-003901 03:07:53.060 --> 03:07:55.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for a certain number of days when things happen like this. asr-003902 03:07:56.140 --> 03:07:56.900 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Madam Chair. asr-003903 03:07:57.700 --> 03:07:58.320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Sigur. asr-003904 03:07:58.380 --> 03:07:59.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Just two points, Madam Chair. asr-003905 03:07:59.880 --> 03:08:02.020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yung siguro, ano lang naman, asr-003906 03:08:02.680 --> 03:08:03.900 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: just to give us an idea, asr-003907 03:08:04.040 --> 03:08:05.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ilang power plants na madadagdag asr-003908 03:08:05.360 --> 03:08:07.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: bago matapos yung termino ng Presidente. asr-003909 03:08:07.360 --> 03:08:08.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi during the, asr-003910 03:08:08.880 --> 03:08:10.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I remember during the height of the crisis, asr-003911 03:08:10.840 --> 03:08:11.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: this was this, asr-003912 03:08:12.780 --> 03:08:15.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I mean, we discussed this earlier asr-003913 03:08:15.260 --> 03:08:17.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in previous hearings, no? asr-003914 03:08:17.300 --> 03:08:19.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Na 31 projects pa lang yung ginagawa asr-003915 03:08:19.400 --> 03:08:22.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: out of the 200 generation projects asr-003916 03:08:23.060 --> 03:08:29.340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that are intended to be started, no? asr-003917 03:08:29.520 --> 03:08:31.820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, update na lang po, Sig. asr-003918 03:08:32.280 --> 03:08:33.900 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, Madam Chair. asr-003919 03:08:34.840 --> 03:08:37.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We started with 200, no? asr-003920 03:08:38.300 --> 03:08:40.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And then, where are we now? asr-003932 03:08:57.020 --> 03:08:58.240 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: About 48. asr-003933 03:08:59.020 --> 03:09:01.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But we're quite confident, Madam Chair, asr-003934 03:09:02.000 --> 03:09:03.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that we will complete the 200 asr-003935 03:09:03.800 --> 03:09:07.420 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: before the end of this administration asr-003936 03:09:07.420 --> 03:09:11.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because most of these are actually renewable energy asr-003937 03:09:11.800 --> 03:09:16.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in a total of 10 gigawatts. asr-003938 03:09:17.580 --> 03:09:19.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, this is highly possible. asr-003939 03:09:20.220 --> 03:09:22.120 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Just as an example, Madam Chair, asr-003940 03:09:22.120 --> 03:09:25.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Tera Solar by itself is 3,500. asr-003941 03:09:26.520 --> 03:09:29.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, it will complete by next year. asr-003942 03:09:30.620 --> 03:09:34.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, this is very feasible, yung 10 gigawatts asr-003943 03:09:34.540 --> 03:09:36.340 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: by the end of this term, Madam Chair. asr-003944 03:09:37.640 --> 03:09:39.460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: According also to NGCP, asr-003945 03:09:39.600 --> 03:09:45.440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 18 power plants are operating on derated capacity asr-003946 03:09:45.440 --> 03:09:46.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: at present. asr-003947 03:09:47.100 --> 03:09:50.780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, any updates on the rehab plans and measures asr-003948 03:09:50.780 --> 03:09:54.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: with regards to these power plants? asr-003949 03:09:55.180 --> 03:09:57.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, hindi lang derated. asr-003950 03:09:57.240 --> 03:09:59.820 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yung iba are not working. asr-003951 03:10:00.920 --> 03:10:03.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Hence, for the problem in Visayas, asr-003952 03:10:03.540 --> 03:10:04.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there are currently, asr-003953 03:10:04.760 --> 03:10:06.320 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there are about six plants, asr-003954 03:10:07.000 --> 03:10:07.720 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: big plants, asr-003955 03:10:08.000 --> 03:10:10.520 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that are still under repair. asr-003956 03:10:10.960 --> 03:10:13.360 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And we have already set out a schedule asr-003957 03:10:13.360 --> 03:10:14.700 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kung kailan sila babalik. asr-003958 03:10:14.820 --> 03:10:16.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: The latest return, asr-003959 03:10:16.700 --> 03:10:19.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the last plan to return is November 27. asr-003960 03:10:19.380 --> 03:10:20.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And that's very, asr-003961 03:10:20.820 --> 03:10:22.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: very critical for Visayas and Mindanao. asr-003962 03:10:23.120 --> 03:10:24.540 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we are, asr-003963 03:10:26.280 --> 03:10:29.060 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ERC is doing its monitoring and policing also. asr-003964 03:10:29.420 --> 03:10:30.580 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: They can discuss that. asr-003965 03:10:30.680 --> 03:10:32.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But on the side of DOE, asr-003966 03:10:33.040 --> 03:10:34.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we are currently monitoring, asr-003967 03:10:34.880 --> 03:10:36.560 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: actually going around the plants asr-003968 03:10:36.560 --> 03:10:40.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and as a relief asr-003969 03:10:40.640 --> 03:10:43.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: until all the plants are back. asr-003970 03:10:43.940 --> 03:10:46.560 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We are bringing in some barges asr-003971 03:10:46.560 --> 03:10:49.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and some batteries to the area of Visayas. asr-003972 03:10:49.760 --> 03:10:50.600 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But yes, it is true. asr-003973 03:10:50.600 --> 03:10:52.500 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It's true that many of our plants, asr-003974 03:10:52.640 --> 03:10:52.980 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's either, asr-003975 03:10:53.080 --> 03:10:54.080 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's not just the age. asr-003976 03:10:54.780 --> 03:10:55.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It's, I think, asr-003977 03:10:55.700 --> 03:10:56.840 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's also has to, asr-003978 03:10:57.980 --> 03:11:00.760 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: something to do about their maintenance and operation. asr-003979 03:11:01.180 --> 03:11:02.940 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, that, asr-003980 03:11:03.140 --> 03:11:05.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because I think for the engineers, asr-003981 03:11:07.540 --> 03:11:08.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kahit ano mang age yan, asr-003982 03:11:09.000 --> 03:11:09.920 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kung well-maintained, asr-003983 03:11:10.020 --> 03:11:13.400 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a 10% or 20% deration is not really, asr-003984 03:11:14.280 --> 03:11:15.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: should not happen. asr-003985 03:11:15.760 --> 03:11:18.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we're investigating and monitoring. asr-003986 03:11:18.460 --> 03:11:19.300 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But yes, asr-003987 03:11:19.420 --> 03:11:20.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: this is still reactive. asr-003988 03:11:20.600 --> 03:11:21.640 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: In that sense, asr-003989 03:11:22.100 --> 03:11:22.620 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair. asr-003990 03:11:24.000 --> 03:11:24.660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, thank you. asr-003991 03:11:25.000 --> 03:11:26.160 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Guys, that's about it. asr-003992 03:11:26.460 --> 03:11:27.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Madam Chair. asr-003993 03:11:28.420 --> 03:11:28.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chair, asr-003994 03:11:28.980 --> 03:11:31.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I just have a few questions to ERC. asr-003995 03:11:31.840 --> 03:11:32.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think, asr-003996 03:11:32.300 --> 03:11:34.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: just to follow up lang questions. asr-003997 03:11:36.420 --> 03:11:37.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: To ERC, asr-003998 03:11:37.720 --> 03:11:39.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung RCOA natin, asr-003999 03:11:39.940 --> 03:11:41.020 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: right now, asr-004000 03:11:41.100 --> 03:11:42.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we are 100 kilowatts asr-004001 03:11:43.520 --> 03:11:45.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: contestability. asr-004002 03:11:46.800 --> 03:11:48.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, isong plano na after asr-004003 03:11:48.180 --> 03:11:49.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman, asr-004004 03:11:50.600 --> 03:12:00.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: because ako nakikita ko isang paraan para bumaba talaga ang presyo ng kuryente sa atin is to allow us, asr-004005 03:12:00.600 --> 03:12:03.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the consumers to choose our generators. asr-004006 03:12:04.160 --> 03:12:05.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ginagawa na yan sa Singapore, asr-004007 03:12:05.720 --> 03:12:07.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ginagawa na yan sa UK, asr-004008 03:12:07.240 --> 03:12:09.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ginagawa na yan sa Amerika. asr-004009 03:12:10.080 --> 03:12:10.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, asr-004010 03:12:11.960 --> 03:12:19.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and yan talaga we bring true competition literally to the doorsteps of our household, asr-004011 03:12:19.120 --> 03:12:20.240 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to our consumers. asr-004012 03:12:20.240 --> 03:12:21.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sila nalang pumili asr-004013 03:12:21.200 --> 03:12:23.560 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng kanilang generator. asr-004014 03:12:24.120 --> 03:12:25.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I know it's a very technical asr-004015 03:12:25.580 --> 03:12:26.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: endeavor. asr-004016 03:12:27.200 --> 03:12:28.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: It's not as easy as what asr-004017 03:12:28.900 --> 03:12:30.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we think. asr-004018 03:12:30.440 --> 03:12:31.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But, asr-004019 03:12:31.140 --> 03:12:32.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I just want to see asr-004020 03:12:32.060 --> 03:12:33.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and to hear asr-004021 03:12:33.080 --> 03:12:34.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kung ano bang plano natin asr-004022 03:12:34.420 --> 03:12:35.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to asr-004023 03:12:35.300 --> 03:12:37.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: achieve true competition asr-004024 03:12:37.740 --> 03:12:41.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: almost to the household level. asr-004025 03:12:43.040 --> 03:12:44.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Thank you, Madam Chair. asr-004026 03:12:44.900 --> 03:12:45.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: As regards our asr-004027 03:12:45.860 --> 03:12:46.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: plans, asr-004028 03:12:47.680 --> 03:12:48.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: one is asr-004029 03:12:48.940 --> 03:12:49.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we are asr-004030 03:12:49.840 --> 03:12:53.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: currently evaluating the performance of the asr-004031 03:12:53.360 --> 03:12:54.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: CREM asr-004032 03:12:54.360 --> 03:12:55.700 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the asr-004033 03:12:55.700 --> 03:12:57.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: lowering of the threshold asr-004034 03:12:57.420 --> 03:12:59.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to 100 kilowatt asr-004035 03:12:59.280 --> 03:13:01.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the switch became effective asr-004036 03:13:01.920 --> 03:13:03.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: June 26. asr-004037 03:13:03.060 --> 03:13:04.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We are also asr-004038 03:13:04.660 --> 03:13:06.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: at the moment asr-004039 03:13:06.280 --> 03:13:09.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: drafting asr-004040 03:13:09.260 --> 03:13:11.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the roadmap asr-004041 03:13:11.160 --> 03:13:13.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: so we can asr-004042 03:13:13.280 --> 03:13:15.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: provide guidance asr-004043 03:13:15.300 --> 03:13:16.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the entire industry asr-004044 03:13:16.920 --> 03:13:18.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: as to asr-004045 03:13:18.120 --> 03:13:20.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: what will happen asr-004046 03:13:20.680 --> 03:13:24.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: after the 100 kilowatt threshold asr-004047 03:13:24.640 --> 03:13:26.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: has commenced. asr-004048 03:13:26.080 --> 03:13:29.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And together with that roadmap asr-004049 03:13:29.120 --> 03:13:34.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would be the updating of our Omnibus retail rules. asr-004050 03:13:34.080 --> 03:13:40.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And to complement the updating of our Omnibus retail rules asr-004051 03:13:40.640 --> 03:13:49.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would be the rollout of the proposed CAPEX projects of our utilities. asr-004055 03:13:49.480 --> 03:13:49.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Right now, asr-004056 03:13:49.920 --> 03:13:51.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we're doing the rate reset asr-004057 03:13:51.560 --> 03:13:53.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the Group A asr-004058 03:13:53.320 --> 03:13:53.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of asr-004059 03:13:53.720 --> 03:13:55.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the power asr-004060 03:13:55.120 --> 03:13:57.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the performance-based regulation asr-004061 03:13:57.640 --> 03:13:59.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and we're seeing right now asr-004062 03:13:59.140 --> 03:14:00.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the proposed CAPEX asr-004063 03:14:00.640 --> 03:14:02.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of our Group A utilities asr-004064 03:14:02.540 --> 03:14:03.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: dealing with asr-004065 03:14:03.660 --> 03:14:06.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: their AMI and smart grid asr-004066 03:14:06.500 --> 03:14:08.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: because this will be important also asr-004067 03:14:08.600 --> 03:14:09.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in asr-004068 03:14:09.120 --> 03:14:12.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the implementation asr-004069 03:14:12.680 --> 03:14:14.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the asr-004070 03:14:14.080 --> 03:14:15.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: RCOA asr-004071 03:14:15.520 --> 03:14:17.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: down to the household level. asr-004072 03:14:17.480 --> 03:14:19.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We have already asr-004073 03:14:19.620 --> 03:14:20.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the infrastructure asr-004074 03:14:20.620 --> 03:14:22.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the metering asr-004075 03:14:22.140 --> 03:14:23.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the utilities asr-004076 03:14:23.800 --> 03:14:25.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to be able to asr-004077 03:14:25.060 --> 03:14:26.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: accommodate asr-004078 03:14:26.120 --> 03:14:27.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the increasing number asr-004079 03:14:27.860 --> 03:14:29.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of contestable asr-004080 03:14:29.480 --> 03:14:30.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: market. asr-004081 03:14:30.940 --> 03:14:31.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We're also asr-004082 03:14:31.580 --> 03:14:32.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: addressing asr-004083 03:14:32.900 --> 03:14:34.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or looking for ways asr-004084 03:14:34.500 --> 03:14:36.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to address the issue asr-004085 03:14:36.200 --> 03:14:37.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the stranded asr-004086 03:14:37.380 --> 03:14:39.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: contract capacities asr-004087 03:14:39.360 --> 03:14:41.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of our distribution utilities asr-004088 03:14:41.820 --> 03:14:43.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: coupled with asr-004089 03:14:43.180 --> 03:14:44.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of course asr-004090 03:14:44.080 --> 03:14:44.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the asr-004091 03:14:44.520 --> 03:14:45.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: possible asr-004092 03:14:45.760 --> 03:14:47.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: increase asr-004093 03:14:47.220 --> 03:14:47.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the asr-004094 03:14:47.480 --> 03:14:48.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: export asr-004095 03:14:48.320 --> 03:14:50.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: energy asr-004096 03:14:50.460 --> 03:14:51.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: coming from asr-004097 03:14:51.660 --> 03:14:52.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: those with asr-004098 03:14:52.720 --> 03:14:53.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: net metering asr-004099 03:14:53.720 --> 03:14:54.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and distributed asr-004100 03:14:54.580 --> 03:14:55.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: energy resources asr-004101 03:14:55.780 --> 03:14:57.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: because this may also add asr-004102 03:14:57.780 --> 03:14:58.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to asr-004103 03:14:58.140 --> 03:14:59.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: these asr-004104 03:14:59.240 --> 03:15:00.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: stranded asr-004105 03:15:00.000 --> 03:15:02.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: contract capacities asr-004106 03:15:02.540 --> 03:15:04.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of distribution utilities asr-004107 03:15:04.540 --> 03:15:05.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and one asr-004108 03:15:05.360 --> 03:15:07.140 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: possible asr-004109 03:15:07.140 --> 03:15:10.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: alternative to the distribution asr-004110 03:15:10.720 --> 03:15:12.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: utility having to absorb asr-004111 03:15:12.500 --> 03:15:14.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the export energy from the asr-004112 03:15:14.640 --> 03:15:16.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: self-gen and the DER asr-004113 03:15:16.600 --> 03:15:18.560 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would be to asr-004114 03:15:18.560 --> 03:15:20.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allow for the aggregation asr-004115 03:15:20.820 --> 03:15:22.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or the purchase of this asr-004116 03:15:22.580 --> 03:15:24.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: export energy by third parties asr-004117 03:15:24.720 --> 03:15:26.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: like an asr-004118 03:15:26.800 --> 03:15:28.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: RES for their asr-004119 03:15:28.740 --> 03:15:30.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: requirements to supply asr-004120 03:15:30.400 --> 03:15:32.860 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to their contestable market asr-004121 03:15:32.860 --> 03:15:34.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and also for their RPS asr-004122 03:15:34.500 --> 03:15:35.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: compliance. asr-004123 03:15:36.640 --> 03:15:38.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Can you give us a sneak peek of asr-004124 03:15:38.760 --> 03:15:40.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: that roadmap? asr-004125 03:15:40.980 --> 03:15:41.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Like from asr-004126 03:15:41.880 --> 03:15:44.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 100 kilowatt this year, asr-004127 03:15:45.240 --> 03:15:45.600 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mayroon bang asr-004128 03:15:45.600 --> 03:15:49.080 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: how much asr-004129 03:15:49.080 --> 03:15:50.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is the reduction next year and how much asr-004130 03:15:50.960 --> 03:15:52.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is the reduction the following year? asr-004131 03:15:54.740 --> 03:15:56.800 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi malaking bagay yan ngayon, mga asr-004132 03:15:56.800 --> 03:15:58.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: hospitals, schools, office, asr-004133 03:15:58.740 --> 03:16:00.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: manufacturing asr-004134 03:16:00.720 --> 03:16:02.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: can now choose their own asr-004135 03:16:02.360 --> 03:16:05.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: generator. asr-004136 03:16:06.640 --> 03:16:08.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I'm getting good feedback rin. asr-004137 03:16:08.800 --> 03:16:11.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Talagang nakakatulong sa negosyo. asr-004138 03:16:11.880 --> 03:16:12.980 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I'm getting good feedback. asr-004139 03:16:13.160 --> 03:16:14.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, in other words, asr-004140 03:16:14.780 --> 03:16:15.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: if you really asr-004141 03:16:15.340 --> 03:16:18.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: want true competition, asr-004142 03:16:19.240 --> 03:16:21.040 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: dapat in household may capability asr-004143 03:16:21.040 --> 03:16:22.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: rin to choose their own generators. asr-004144 03:16:23.520 --> 03:16:25.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Again, it's easier asr-004145 03:16:25.060 --> 03:16:26.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: said than that. Alam ko may asr-004146 03:16:26.780 --> 03:16:28.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mga technicalities. That's why asr-004148 03:16:28.740 --> 03:16:30.700 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I agree that it should be done asr-004149 03:16:30.700 --> 03:16:32.220 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: in a very asr-004150 03:16:32.220 --> 03:16:35.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: orderly manner, asr-004151 03:16:36.140 --> 03:16:36.760 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: technically. asr-004152 03:16:38.460 --> 03:16:39.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, asr-004153 03:16:39.480 --> 03:16:41.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the phase in asr-004154 03:16:41.340 --> 03:16:43.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that we're looking at asr-004155 03:16:43.740 --> 03:16:45.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is lowering the threshold asr-004156 03:16:45.800 --> 03:16:48.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: further to 50 kilowatts asr-004157 03:16:48.780 --> 03:16:49.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: until asr-004158 03:16:49.420 --> 03:16:51.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we reach the asr-004159 03:16:51.580 --> 03:16:53.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: household level and everyone asr-004160 03:16:53.640 --> 03:16:56.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would have the right of choice asr-004161 03:16:56.120 --> 03:16:57.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: after that. So, we're asr-004162 03:16:57.900 --> 03:16:58.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: just trying to asr-004163 03:16:58.740 --> 03:17:00.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: firm up as the when asr-004164 03:17:00.840 --> 03:17:03.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the readiness of the asr-004165 03:17:03.300 --> 03:17:05.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: stakeholders, of all asr-004166 03:17:05.300 --> 03:17:07.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: stakeholders to be able to asr-004167 03:17:07.460 --> 03:17:09.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: manage the switch asr-004168 03:17:09.660 --> 03:17:11.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or the migration of the captive asr-004169 03:17:11.760 --> 03:17:12.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: customers to asr-004170 03:17:12.740 --> 03:17:15.780 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: contestable market. And it is asr-004171 03:17:15.780 --> 03:17:17.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: true, Madam Chair, that we're asr-004172 03:17:17.460 --> 03:17:19.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: looking at actual cost savings asr-004173 03:17:19.840 --> 03:17:21.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: by those that are able to asr-004174 03:17:21.840 --> 03:17:23.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: switch now. And that is asr-004175 03:17:23.500 --> 03:17:25.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: actually not limited to the 100 asr-004176 03:17:25.800 --> 03:17:27.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kilowatt. If we take into account asr-004177 03:17:27.900 --> 03:17:28.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: those asr-004178 03:17:28.740 --> 03:17:30.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that are able to asr-004179 03:17:30.340 --> 03:17:32.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: aggregate and avail of the asr-004180 03:17:32.740 --> 03:17:34.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: retail aggregation program, asr-004181 03:17:34.740 --> 03:17:36.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: where even households, asr-004182 03:17:36.840 --> 03:17:38.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ordinary households, if they are asr-004183 03:17:38.980 --> 03:17:41.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: located in a continuous area asr-004184 03:17:41.340 --> 03:17:44.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or in a subdivision, asr-004185 03:17:44.380 --> 03:17:46.380 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: if they aggregate asr-004186 03:17:46.380 --> 03:17:48.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: themselves and they are asr-004187 03:17:48.220 --> 03:17:51.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: able to look for a asr-004188 03:17:51.080 --> 03:17:53.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: supplier, they are able to asr-004189 03:17:53.520 --> 03:17:55.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: avail of asr-004190 03:17:55.600 --> 03:17:57.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: much lower generation charges asr-004191 03:17:57.920 --> 03:17:58.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: than those asr-004192 03:17:58.640 --> 03:18:00.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: being offered to their asr-004193 03:18:00.200 --> 03:18:02.940 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: neighbors. Like in one case, asr-004194 03:18:02.940 --> 03:18:05.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we've come across the average asr-004195 03:18:05.960 --> 03:18:07.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generation charge of the utility asr-004196 03:18:07.840 --> 03:18:11.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is at 8 pesos, but the charge asr-004197 03:18:11.040 --> 03:18:14.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the RES to these asr-004198 03:18:14.040 --> 03:18:16.260 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: households that were able to enroll asr-004199 03:18:16.260 --> 03:18:18.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the program would be at asr-004200 03:18:18.040 --> 03:18:20.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: around 5 pesos to 6 pesos or asr-004201 03:18:20.520 --> 03:18:23.040 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a percentage or a discount asr-004202 03:18:23.040 --> 03:18:25.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the existing generation charge asr-004203 03:18:25.200 --> 03:18:28.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the utility which, by itself, asr-004204 03:18:28.640 --> 03:18:30.400 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: already cost savings for these asr-004205 03:18:30.400 --> 03:18:32.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: CREM or RAP asr-004206 03:18:32.280 --> 03:18:33.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: participants. asr-004207 03:18:33.720 --> 03:18:37.000 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: By next year, kaya na ba to 50 kilowatt asr-004208 03:18:37.000 --> 03:18:38.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 2027? asr-004209 03:18:40.400 --> 03:18:42.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Are you looking at that possibility? asr-004210 03:18:49.300 --> 03:18:50.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Madam Chair. asr-004211 03:18:50.500 --> 03:18:52.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: It is possible asr-004212 03:18:52.200 --> 03:18:54.660 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: because as we have seen asr-004213 03:18:54.660 --> 03:18:56.420 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the lowering asr-004214 03:18:56.420 --> 03:18:58.000 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the 100 kilowatt asr-004215 03:18:58.000 --> 03:19:00.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the switch doesn't asr-004216 03:19:00.580 --> 03:19:02.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: happen all at once for asr-004217 03:19:02.440 --> 03:19:03.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: all those that will asr-004218 03:19:03.720 --> 03:19:05.300 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: be asr-004219 03:19:05.300 --> 03:19:08.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: within the threshold as we've seen. asr-004220 03:19:10.260 --> 03:19:12.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: The switch would asr-004221 03:19:12.600 --> 03:19:14.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: initially be asr-004222 03:19:14.620 --> 03:19:16.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: slow until there is asr-004223 03:19:16.820 --> 03:19:18.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that experience asr-004224 03:19:18.580 --> 03:19:19.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that is asr-004225 03:19:19.920 --> 03:19:24.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: broadcasted asr-004226 03:19:25.160 --> 03:19:26.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: among those that may asr-004227 03:19:26.600 --> 03:19:27.640 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: be able to asr-004228 03:19:27.640 --> 03:19:29.900 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: also participate and that will asr-004229 03:19:29.900 --> 03:19:30.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: now asr-004230 03:19:30.460 --> 03:19:33.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: increase asr-004231 03:19:33.060 --> 03:19:35.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the switch asr-004232 03:19:35.120 --> 03:19:37.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in time and as we asr-004233 03:19:37.840 --> 03:19:39.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: move forward since we are asr-004234 03:19:39.760 --> 03:19:41.440 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: able to address asr-004235 03:19:41.440 --> 03:19:43.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the metering requirements asr-004236 03:19:43.600 --> 03:19:45.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: now with the CAPEX approvals asr-004237 03:19:45.680 --> 03:19:47.500 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the rate resets that we're also asr-004238 03:19:47.500 --> 03:19:49.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: doing for the utilities asr-004239 03:19:49.060 --> 03:19:51.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: including the asr-004240 03:19:51.220 --> 03:19:53.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: electric cooperatives asr-004241 03:19:53.540 --> 03:19:55.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: by early next year they'll have asr-004242 03:19:55.620 --> 03:19:57.180 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: their new rates. asr-004243 03:19:57.640 --> 03:19:59.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And they'll be able to asr-004244 03:19:59.240 --> 03:20:00.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: update their asr-004245 03:20:00.980 --> 03:20:03.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: metering facilities to be able asr-004246 03:20:03.320 --> 03:20:05.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to cater to the asr-004247 03:20:05.200 --> 03:20:07.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: contestable market including asr-004248 03:20:07.020 --> 03:20:08.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: those that will belong to the asr-004249 03:20:08.720 --> 03:20:10.620 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: lower threshold of 50 kilowatts. asr-004250 03:20:10.620 --> 03:20:13.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We'll wait na lang for that asr-004251 03:20:13.180 --> 03:20:14.820 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reduction next year and asr-004252 03:20:14.820 --> 03:20:16.320 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: once you have that asr-004253 03:20:16.320 --> 03:20:18.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: roadmap, pasubmit na lang sa asr-004254 03:20:18.160 --> 03:20:20.420 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: committee, Chairman. asr-004255 03:20:20.420 --> 03:20:21.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Mr. Chair. asr-004256 03:20:21.200 --> 03:20:22.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ito na open up ko na last time asr-004257 03:20:22.780 --> 03:20:23.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung fuel audit, no? asr-004258 03:20:23.900 --> 03:20:25.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And I heard in your presentation asr-004259 03:20:25.740 --> 03:20:26.960 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kanina that asr-004260 03:20:26.960 --> 03:20:28.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: it's part of your activity. asr-004261 03:20:28.900 --> 03:20:30.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So where are we now in the asr-004262 03:20:30.620 --> 03:20:33.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fuel audit? asr-004263 03:20:33.520 --> 03:20:36.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: After our hearing, asr-004264 03:20:36.020 --> 03:20:37.720 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: one of the hearings of the Committee asr-004265 03:20:37.720 --> 03:20:39.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on Energy, we formed asr-004266 03:20:39.880 --> 03:20:41.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: an audit, fuel asr-004267 03:20:41.800 --> 03:20:44.480 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: audit TWG asr-004268 03:20:44.480 --> 03:20:46.360 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: within ERC headed by asr-004269 03:20:46.360 --> 03:20:48.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our Executive Director and asr-004270 03:20:48.920 --> 03:20:50.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we came out with the asr-004271 03:20:50.840 --> 03:20:52.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: audit procedure for how asr-004272 03:20:52.740 --> 03:20:54.740 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we will be able to conduct asr-004273 03:20:54.740 --> 03:20:56.960 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: such audit and asr-004274 03:20:56.960 --> 03:20:58.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for our audit procedure, asr-004275 03:20:58.840 --> 03:21:01.160 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we will be doing it in batches asr-004276 03:21:01.160 --> 03:21:02.680 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and we have started already asr-004277 03:21:02.680 --> 03:21:04.840 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the first batch and asr-004278 03:21:04.840 --> 03:21:08.060 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the TWG is just completing asr-004279 03:21:08.060 --> 03:21:10.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the report to be submitted asr-004280 03:21:10.920 --> 03:21:12.080 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the Commission. asr-004281 03:21:12.080 --> 03:21:13.880 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And as soon as this report asr-004282 03:21:13.880 --> 03:21:15.580 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is submitted, we will submit asr-004283 03:21:15.580 --> 03:21:17.320 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that also to the Senate. asr-004284 03:21:17.320 --> 03:21:19.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ang resolution, there's a asr-004285 03:21:19.060 --> 03:21:20.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mechanism and a resolution asr-004286 03:21:20.540 --> 03:21:22.180 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: on how to conduct. asr-004287 03:21:22.180 --> 03:21:23.540 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Madam Chair, we have asr-004288 03:21:23.540 --> 03:21:26.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: already come out with the audit procedure. asr-004289 03:21:26.800 --> 03:21:39.920 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And included in that is the data request. So our team has already identified the first batch and issued out the letters directing them to submit. asr-004290 03:21:40.500 --> 03:21:48.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And some of those that were issued the letters already submitted so they proceeded with the audit now of those. asr-004291 03:21:48.520 --> 03:22:02.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Mayroon rin ng mga corresponding penalties or fines if ever di mag-cooperate? Kasi this is a very, you'll rely on the information that they will give eh. Tama? asr-004292 03:22:03.020 --> 03:22:03.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes. asr-004293 03:22:03.580 --> 03:22:06.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So paano kung hindi sila magbigay ng information? asr-004294 03:22:06.520 --> 03:22:16.120 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Next time we will make sure that they will be compelled if they will not voluntarily give these documents or we will consider, asr-004295 03:22:16.620 --> 03:22:18.520 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we will not consider any. asr-004296 03:22:18.520 --> 03:22:30.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Any allowable cost for those without any supporting document. So that by itself will be their penalty because they will have to absorb that later on when we do their confirmation of their pass-through charges. asr-004297 03:22:30.340 --> 03:22:38.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So mayroon na yun, kumpleto na. May penalties, fines, mechanism, when to submit, how the audit procedures, kumpleto na yun. asr-004298 03:22:38.340 --> 03:22:44.800 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes po. We issued that and informed the utilities of this audit procedure. asr-004299 03:22:45.060 --> 03:22:46.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. And also the GENCOs? asr-004300 03:22:46.780 --> 03:22:47.460 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes. asr-004301 03:22:48.520 --> 03:22:48.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Everyone? asr-004302 03:22:49.180 --> 03:22:49.280 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Oo. asr-004303 03:22:51.500 --> 03:23:03.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I filed a resolution to that effect, Resolution 581. So once na may movement na doon sa audit, hingi kami ng update and information. asr-004304 03:23:03.620 --> 03:23:17.880 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So we want to see. Ang importante, Chairman, kung mayroon man nakita kayong discrepancy, meaning the fuel is only this much but it's passed on 2, 3, 4 times higher, asr-004305 03:23:18.520 --> 03:23:21.160 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: what will be the penalty to that? asr-004306 03:23:22.540 --> 03:23:24.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ano bang penalty pag ganoon? asr-004307 03:23:25.260 --> 03:23:31.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: First, we will disallow the cost that is not duly supported. asr-004308 03:23:31.780 --> 03:23:48.200 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And second, we'll issue the show cause against the erring entity if it is the generation that is at fault that submitted their cost or supporting documents that are falsified. asr-004309 03:23:48.520 --> 03:23:49.900 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But can they do the refund? asr-004310 03:23:50.600 --> 03:23:51.020 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes. asr-004311 03:23:51.240 --> 03:23:51.720 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And so far, asr-004312 03:23:52.060 --> 03:23:52.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Diba? asr-004313 03:23:52.400 --> 03:23:52.980 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, pwede. asr-004314 03:23:53.100 --> 03:23:56.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: You can command a refund because it's the price they passed on is exorbitant. asr-004315 03:23:57.260 --> 03:24:06.220 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes. Yes, SPN. We will make sure that they will refund on top of the imposition of the penalties. asr-004316 03:24:06.580 --> 03:24:13.860 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you. Thank you for that. And last question, Madam Chairperson. Ano na ang weighted average cost of capital natin, yung sa WACC? asr-004317 03:24:18.520 --> 03:24:28.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi that's also another way of lowering down electricity. One number has a far-reaching effect in lowering down electricity. asr-004318 03:24:30.140 --> 03:24:41.260 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Matagal yan na pa ako sa mataas eh. So, because hindi nagre-reset, hindi nare-revisit, but ngayon nakita ko nagre-reset na tayo. So, how much is it right now? What is it? asr-004319 03:24:41.260 --> 03:24:48.340 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, the last, before we were able to finally complete one rate reset for Group A. asr-004320 03:24:48.860 --> 03:25:01.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Just a few weeks ago, we, the WACC that was being implemented based on the last rate reset set more than a decade ago was 14.57. asr-004321 03:25:01.760 --> 03:25:12.820 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: But in our last decision for one of the Group A DUs, the WACC that we approved was only 13.79. asr-004322 03:25:13.640 --> 03:25:18.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pagkaunti lang binawas, dapat single digit na yan. asr-004323 03:25:18.520 --> 03:25:30.240 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: It reflects the current cost. It reflects the current cost of capital we have now. asr-004324 03:25:31.660 --> 03:25:38.940 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Because that's a factor on what return do we give, what return the government allows the utility to make. asr-004325 03:25:38.940 --> 03:25:48.480 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, dapat reasonable lang naman. Dapat may return sila, but it should be reasonable within the market range. asr-004326 03:25:48.520 --> 03:26:09.600 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Madam Chair. It is within the market range, except that in the past few months, we've seen interest rates go up and also the cost of capital for equity brought about by a lot of the uncertainties and risks that the investors... asr-004327 03:26:09.600 --> 03:26:14.840 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I hope na umabot yan to single digit. Andito yung mga commissioners natin. asr-004328 03:26:14.840 --> 03:26:18.500 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, kompleto ba yung mga commissioners? asr-004329 03:26:18.520 --> 03:26:21.760 ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: One who's on sick leave. asr-004330 03:26:21.760 --> 03:26:24.620 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ako yung usap ko, mapababain natin to single digit. asr-004331 03:26:26.380 --> 03:26:27.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tingin ko kaya. asr-004332 03:26:28.680 --> 03:26:32.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: If you talk about T-bills, that's 4-5%. asr-004333 03:26:33.040 --> 03:26:37.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Country risk, about 7, maybe another 2-3%. asr-004334 03:26:38.040 --> 03:26:39.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, that's about 8%. asr-004335 03:26:40.360 --> 03:26:45.520 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sabihin mo ng Philippines has more risk, so about 9%. asr-004336 03:26:45.520 --> 03:26:47.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, I think kaya. asr-004337 03:26:48.520 --> 03:26:49.060 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think kaya. asr-004338 03:26:50.000 --> 03:26:54.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, just put that on the table para pag-aralan lang ng regulator. asr-004339 03:26:55.940 --> 03:27:00.120 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Because that's one of the fastest way to lower down electricity rates. asr-004340 03:27:01.840 --> 03:27:02.340 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Madam Chair. asr-004341 03:27:02.440 --> 03:27:02.740 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you. asr-004342 03:27:02.740 --> 03:27:04.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Madam Chair. asr-004343 03:27:04.320 --> 03:27:07.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you for the opportunity to propound questions. asr-004344 03:27:07.900 --> 03:27:08.200 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you. asr-004345 03:27:08.200 --> 03:27:18.380 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you, Mr. Senate President, for being here because I need your help with the budgetary support. asr-004346 03:27:18.380 --> 03:27:20.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, you have the energy sector needs. asr-004347 03:27:21.040 --> 03:27:28.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, on that note, everyone, I know with the crisis, you have somehow been in survival mode. asr-004348 03:27:28.720 --> 03:27:37.420 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But I want to take the opportunity to thank you and congratulate you for navigating. asr-004349 03:27:38.240 --> 03:27:39.460 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: May kuryente pa naman tayo. asr-004350 03:27:39.600 --> 03:27:44.160 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But of course, the goal is to really make it 24-7. asr-004351 03:27:44.160 --> 03:27:48.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Even without the energy crisis, they have their... asr-004352 03:27:48.380 --> 03:27:49.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: were challenges. asr-004353 03:27:50.260 --> 03:27:52.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But I would be remiss in my asr-004354 03:27:52.320 --> 03:27:53.820 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: job as asr-004355 03:27:53.820 --> 03:27:56.260 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the chairman of the committee on sustainable asr-004356 03:27:56.260 --> 03:27:58.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: development goals, innovation, and futures asr-004357 03:27:58.500 --> 03:28:00.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: thinking if I don't asr-004358 03:28:00.360 --> 03:28:01.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: bring up and emphasize asr-004359 03:28:01.860 --> 03:28:04.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and end this hearing on asr-004360 03:28:04.220 --> 03:28:05.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: an SDG note. And asr-004361 03:28:05.980 --> 03:28:07.400 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: SDG 7 is asr-004362 03:28:07.400 --> 03:28:10.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: mag-exam ba ako? Mag-quiz ba asr-004363 03:28:10.340 --> 03:28:11.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ako? Kung alam nyo kung ano yun, ha? asr-004364 03:28:12.080 --> 03:28:13.940 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Clean and affordable energy. asr-004365 03:28:14.560 --> 03:28:16.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So SDG 7 is clean and asr-004366 03:28:16.220 --> 03:28:17.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: affordable energy, everyone. asr-004367 03:28:17.680 --> 03:28:20.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I think we are on track asr-004368 03:28:20.100 --> 03:28:21.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for the clean, no? asr-004369 03:28:22.320 --> 03:28:23.600 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So congratulations asr-004370 03:28:23.600 --> 03:28:25.860 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for that. I mean, it's not just something asr-004371 03:28:25.860 --> 03:28:27.780 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: atin lang kasi the same asr-004372 03:28:27.780 --> 03:28:29.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: way we're so affected by what happens asr-004373 03:28:29.640 --> 03:28:31.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: globally, yun nga yung pagbabaan ng presyo asr-004374 03:28:31.620 --> 03:28:33.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ng battery, ng solar, asr-004375 03:28:34.120 --> 03:28:35.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we benefit asr-004376 03:28:35.680 --> 03:28:37.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: from it. So dapat pababain pa asr-004377 03:28:37.340 --> 03:28:38.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: natin to the consumer. asr-004378 03:28:39.760 --> 03:28:41.900 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Pero yung affordable, asr-004379 03:28:42.800 --> 03:28:43.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: medyo dyan asr-004380 03:28:43.700 --> 03:28:44.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pa tayo pwedeng asr-004381 03:28:44.700 --> 03:28:46.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: mag-improve asr-004382 03:28:46.620 --> 03:28:47.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kasi yung mix, asr-004383 03:28:47.680 --> 03:28:49.460 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nga natin, it's not purely asr-004384 03:28:49.460 --> 03:28:51.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: renewable. If it was purely renewable, then asr-004385 03:28:51.540 --> 03:28:53.520 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we're on track for clean and affordable, asr-004386 03:28:53.740 --> 03:28:55.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: correct? But it is not purely asr-004387 03:28:55.560 --> 03:28:57.400 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: renewable. We still have 62% asr-004388 03:28:57.400 --> 03:28:59.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: of coal. So asr-004389 03:28:59.500 --> 03:29:01.700 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and then the remaining balance asr-004390 03:29:01.700 --> 03:29:03.540 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: is, what, mga 17% asr-004391 03:29:03.540 --> 03:29:05.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: of others. So we can still asr-004392 03:29:05.620 --> 03:29:06.580 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: improve on that. asr-004393 03:29:11.340 --> 03:29:13.680 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: For energy security, it's not enough asr-004394 03:29:13.680 --> 03:29:15.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that we are in survival mode, no? asr-004395 03:29:15.360 --> 03:29:17.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: We have to really look into the future. asr-004396 03:29:17.180 --> 03:29:19.280 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I need us to see asr-004397 03:29:19.280 --> 03:29:21.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and I'd like you to submit this to me. asr-004398 03:29:21.260 --> 03:29:21.980 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Nothing fancy, asr-004399 03:29:22.700 --> 03:29:24.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: because you do have the energy plan. asr-004400 03:29:25.720 --> 03:29:27.380 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 10, 20, 30, asr-004401 03:29:27.540 --> 03:29:29.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 50 years, because if you haven't asr-004402 03:29:29.120 --> 03:29:30.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: heard me say this before, asr-004403 03:29:31.080 --> 03:29:33.360 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there are countries that have a plan asr-004404 03:29:33.360 --> 03:29:35.340 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for seven generations asr-004405 03:29:35.340 --> 03:29:36.040 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to come. asr-004406 03:29:37.360 --> 03:29:39.140 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So kahit hindi naman siguro seven generations, asr-004407 03:29:39.320 --> 03:29:40.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kahit two to three, asr-004408 03:29:40.640 --> 03:29:43.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: hindi na talaga natin naabutan yun, but siguro asr-004409 03:29:43.180 --> 03:29:44.640 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that's what our grandchildren, asr-004410 03:29:44.640 --> 03:29:46.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: something like that. asr-004411 03:29:47.180 --> 03:29:48.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: It's being done. asr-004412 03:29:48.280 --> 03:29:51.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So it's not something I'm inventing. asr-004413 03:29:51.220 --> 03:29:53.060 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: That is a practice of countries that asr-004414 03:29:53.060 --> 03:29:54.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: are truly asr-004415 03:29:54.080 --> 03:29:57.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: future-proofing their country. asr-004416 03:29:57.920 --> 03:29:58.100 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So asr-004417 03:30:00.000 --> 03:30:19.760 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: By investing in long-term security, then we'll have to make tough decisions. That's for sure. And we'll have to allocate limited funds. That's also sure that limited lang yung funds natin. But these are for the programs that will ensure that the average Filipino has, again, access to clean and affordable energy. asr-004418 03:30:19.760 --> 03:30:30.240 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, on that note, Mr. President, I am happy to [unclear] siguro, no? Wala nang? Yes, Secretary. asr-004419 03:30:30.240 --> 03:30:43.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Before you wrap up, I know we have sent a letter with all the possible requests for funding. This includes the system loss for NEA and all that. asr-004420 03:30:43.660 --> 03:30:49.660 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But as a priority, Madam Chair, we would rather have? asr-004421 03:30:49.760 --> 03:30:56.440 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: If there's available funding, then that the increase in the ERC funding be done. asr-004422 03:30:56.580 --> 03:31:04.480 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Because sila yung kailangan nila ng faster resolution of all the issues will help also. asr-004423 03:31:04.480 --> 03:31:07.020 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: That's the 720 million. We noted that. asr-004424 03:31:07.060 --> 03:31:07.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yun lang yung… asr-004425 03:31:07.660 --> 03:31:11.180 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And kayang-kaya ni SP yan, saka ni Chairman. asr-004426 03:31:11.880 --> 03:31:18.380 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We'll give way to them first. Kung may natirapay, then we can request. asr-004427 03:31:18.380 --> 03:31:19.280 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Quick question lang. asr-004428 03:31:19.280 --> 03:31:22.300 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yung system loss, non-technical yun sa NEA? asr-004429 03:31:22.320 --> 03:31:23.160 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Non-technical, yeah. asr-004430 03:31:23.320 --> 03:31:27.100 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Non-technical. And so, the concept, gobyerno mag-absorb yung non-technical? asr-004431 03:31:29.400 --> 03:31:33.460 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Saka pa-absorb rin ng private sector sa atin, private DU sa atin. asr-004432 03:31:34.740 --> 03:31:35.580 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Libre nga. asr-004433 03:31:36.040 --> 03:31:45.600 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: SP, the non-technical system loss fund request was to add up to the equity loan facility of NEA asr-004434 03:31:45.600 --> 03:31:49.100 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to extend loans to electric cooperatives. asr-004435 03:31:49.280 --> 03:31:58.300 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Hindi po subsidy yun. Yun po ay pandagdag sa equity loan namin para maipautang namin sa mga electric cooperatives asr-004436 03:31:58.300 --> 03:32:03.940 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to upgrade their facilities mainly on their metering requirements. asr-004437 03:32:06.040 --> 03:32:10.360 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: So, we found it palatable na hindi po namin ibibigay as a subsidy. asr-004438 03:32:10.800 --> 03:32:18.200 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Pautangin po nila as their CAPEX requirement to upgrade their facility para mawala ho yung non-technical system loss. asr-004439 03:32:18.200 --> 03:32:18.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Non-technical yun. asr-004440 03:32:18.640 --> 03:32:20.240 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Sa non-technical po. asr-004441 03:32:20.580 --> 03:32:22.660 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Non-technical is pilferage, di ba? asr-004442 03:32:22.660 --> 03:32:33.080 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Well, nung previous hearings po, prinisinta namin, meron po kasi kaming isang case in point na isang electric cooperative asr-004443 03:32:33.080 --> 03:32:37.340 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: na napakataas ng system loss, total system loss. asr-004444 03:32:37.460 --> 03:32:40.660 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: And we identified po, much of that is non-technical pilferage. asr-004445 03:32:41.460 --> 03:32:44.660 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: I am talking about referring to Zamboanga City Electric Cooperative. asr-004446 03:32:44.660 --> 03:32:48.600 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: So, when we implemented it, asr-004447 03:32:48.640 --> 03:32:56.700 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: a pilot plan from January to July, from 23%, we brought it down to 13%. asr-004448 03:32:56.700 --> 03:33:05.000 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Ang ginawa lang ho namin, hinanap lang ho namin yung walang metro at saka yung mga koneksyon na iligal, minetrohan ho namin. asr-004449 03:33:05.180 --> 03:33:09.720 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: So, the same formula po, yun ang gagawin ho namin sa mga ibang electric cooperative. asr-004450 03:33:10.660 --> 03:33:15.540 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pilferage, in other words, lalagyan ng metro para magbayad. asr-004451 03:33:15.560 --> 03:33:15.820 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Opo. asr-004452 03:33:15.820 --> 03:33:15.960 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Opo. asr-004453 03:33:16.260 --> 03:33:16.780 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. asr-004454 03:33:17.480 --> 03:33:18.360 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ganun kasimple lang. asr-004455 03:33:18.400 --> 03:33:18.620 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Ganun. asr-004456 03:33:18.640 --> 03:33:19.300 NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Ganun kasimple lang. asr-004457 03:33:19.440 --> 03:33:19.640 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. asr-004458 03:33:19.800 --> 03:33:20.140 Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you. asr-004459 03:33:20.300 --> 03:33:20.800 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Thank you, Madam Chair. asr-004460 03:33:21.140 --> 03:33:30.460 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, on your comment on the future proofing, we can submit, other than the Philippine asr-004461 03:33:30.460 --> 03:33:38.020 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: energy plan, we also have recently finished the fuel transition plan that will give us asr-004462 03:33:38.020 --> 03:33:41.880 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: energy security in a sense na less dependence in petroleum products. asr-004463 03:33:42.040 --> 03:33:44.200 DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we'll submit it to your office also. asr-004464 03:33:45.700 --> 03:33:46.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. asr-004465 03:33:46.500 --> 03:33:48.500 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, with no more questions. asr-004466 03:33:48.640 --> 03:33:55.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The budget of DOE and its attached corporations and the ERC are deemed submitted to plenary asr-004467 03:33:55.320 --> 03:34:01.080 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: subject to, of course, any of our colleagues, if they have questions, we'll facilitate so asr-004468 03:34:01.080 --> 03:34:03.220 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you can provide answers to them. asr-004469 03:34:03.380 --> 03:34:05.560 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, on that note, congratulations, everyone. asr-004470 03:34:05.700 --> 03:34:09.160 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Be ready for the plenary. asr-004471 03:34:09.360 --> 03:34:10.620 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Dahil ako na yung sasagot doon. asr-004472 03:34:10.740 --> 03:34:12.120 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, be ready na ready ako. asr-004473 03:34:12.660 --> 03:34:13.320 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. asr-004474 03:34:13.380 --> 03:34:14.660 Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you, Mr. President.