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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The entire energy, DOE attached agencies and corporations, welcome.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: As you all know, we had our extensive briefing two days ago, and most of your heads have been meeting with my staff as well. So today, our agenda is obviously the proposed budget for 2027 in the NEP. I know some of you, or all of you, have some kind of presentation. Whether you have visual aids, I leave that up to you. We start with DOE Office of the

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: secretary and then ERC and then the NEA NPC Philippine National Oil Company um PNOC Exploration Corporation National Transmission Corporation and PSALM so given our limited capacity I think we also have resource persons online. Tama ba? In case but they won't be presenting right? They're just they're just there if we need some additional information. Um

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and uh when some of our colleagues start arriving, I will I would like us to continue with the presentation so we don't disrupt the flow and then uh I'll open the floor to questions later on. Um for your information I discussed with the Senate President who's the former chairman of the committee on energy uh that you have some amendments and I already asked for his support. um to so that we can um push for the amendments

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that I think uh as an energy sector you all you all agree that we we should prioritize so I hope we can make it because he really wanted to attend. So before we proceed um I'd like to acknowledge and put on record some recent developments. We welcome the removal of the VAT on system loss because even when I was still chairman of the committee on energy, marami hong uh dumadaing dito. So alam ko medyo madugo yung process. So, but thank you

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and congratulations for um making this happen. And then um we do have quite a few issues obviously the supply and I know the secretary will will bring that up. Syempre ang habol natin is energy security. Maybe maybe on a daytoday basis yung mga ordinary folks, ordinary moms out there, mga nanay, tatay na nila kayang isipin yun

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yung energy ano natin security they rely on us to make sure that that energy security is in place pero yung effect kasi sa kanila as we all know supply and demand 'di ba? So kung konti supply natin ah nagtataas y'yung presyo. So 'yun naman 'yung talagang uh bottom line nung mga kababayan natin. And of course when we speak of security as I mentioned during the briefing, yung concern ko din talaga is yung ah reliable consistent supply sa lalo na sa mga probinsya na um alam pa rin natin na

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: may mga whether it's planned or um intermittent brown outs eh ang goal talaga natin is 24/7 yung access nila sa kuryente. So we do want uh reliable supply we want transmission and distribution um to be in place. Okay. So I'll mention my other concerns later on as we go along but I think we can

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: proceed. Um sana hindi to mahabaan masyado but um I need to remind everyone I'm very conscious of your health. You are free to stand up. Sitting is the new smoking. So you can stand up without my permission. You may go to the restroom without my permission. You can stand up and stretch. Um and please drink water. Um hindi yata kami magse-serve ng food dahil tapos na lunch. But you can eat.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Walang problema lahat yan sa akin. Okay? As long as you're available to answer the questions uh when you're called or if you had to step out, just tell your seatmate. You'll be back in 2 minutes. Not a problem. Um and then uh if the principals here need access to their support staff also not a problem pass the notes talk to your principals but if you need them to take the floor then I just need them to uh

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: introduce themselves para ma-record natin kung sino yung nagsasalita. Okay, so we are ready to start. We start with you, Secretary. Secretary Garin, and then after that ERC, be ready, Attorney Juan. Okay, please proceed.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, just for the brevity also, and because most of the companies we have here have their own budgets actually, so if you allow us, it will be just DOE that will report

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and then you can ask questions if there are some clarifications needed.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Better. We are doing that for most. And then they trust that you will bring to our attention their concerns naman, and our staff is still here even after the hearing if they want to provide more information. But that does make it simple because I also want to be sure if they are raising any concerns, dapat

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: aware din kayo and aligned kayo. So mas okay din talaga sa akin yan. Thank you.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Thank you, Madam Chair. Usec Bacordo will be doing our presentation. Usec Bacordo, please. Usec,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Usec.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Gracious budget sponsor and chairperson of the subcommittee, Honorable Senator Pia Cayetano, honorable members of the Senate Committee on Finance, chiefs of the government energy family led by our

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: hyperactive Secretary Sharon Garin.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Allow me to

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sir, pa ba na mas hyperactive siya sa akin?

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Allow me to present the Department of Energy's

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: major accomplishments along

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with the proposed budget for fiscal year

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 2027 and plans and

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: programs for the budget year.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Let me begin with the Department's

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: major accomplishments.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: In response to the energy

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: conflict, the DOE

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in coordination with other

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: agencies employed the whole of

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: government approach in securing fuel

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: supply, implementing staggered

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: fuel price adjustments, prescribing

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the price adjustments for oil companies,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: fuel subsidy programs,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: preventing hoarding and

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: measures, and setting up

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: support measures for the transport

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: sectors.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The country maintains an

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: average available supply of

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 50 days.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Following the President's directive during

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the 2025 SONA,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the DOE with NEA and

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: ERC restored

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 24-7 electricity service

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in Siquijor. The DOE

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: also acted decisively

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to address the prolonged

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: working closely with

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: NPC, NEA, and FISELCO

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the province. The Department

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: has also been unwavering

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in its disaster response efforts

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to ensure power restoration

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and continuity of fuel supply

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: in affected areas.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: On household electrification,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: has reached 95.1%

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 29.2 million households

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Out of the 30.7 million

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: our renewable energy

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: increased to 25%

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to 31.7 terawatt

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Through the Green Energy Auction Program,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we have already awarded

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 20.7 gigawatts

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with another 25 gigawatts

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: planned for auction

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: from 2027 to 2035.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The RE sector

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: continues to be the leading

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: contributor to Green Lane investments

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with 187 endorsed

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 5.46 trillion

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: accounting for 86%

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Board of Investments Green Lane

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Program. From July

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 2026, the country's

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: continued to grow

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: with installed capacity increasing

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: by 4,988 megawatts

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: or an 18.4%

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: while dependable capacity

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: increased by 5,106

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: or a 22.3%

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: increase. To further support

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the timely delivery of committed power

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: that capacity additions are brought

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: online as scheduled, the

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: DOE established task force

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 200 pursuant to

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the President's pronouncements

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: during the 2025 SONA.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The task force closely

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: monitors and facilitates the

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: implementation of 200

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: committed projects. To date,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 51 power projects

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: are now completed and

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: commercially operational,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: adding 1,864.6

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: This includes

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: 12 BES projects

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: that support grid stability

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and frequency regulation.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: In the upstream sector,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: signed by the President will

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: generate $324

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: investments. The successful

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: reserves of 222

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: extending operations to 2034, and providing enough fuel to power 13.1 million households for one year.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We now present the Department's proposed 2027 budget.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The DOE's revenue collection for the national government have consistently exceeded its approved budget.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Collections were driven mainly by the Malampaya Gas Fund.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Its decline, however, was offset by improved collections from RE sources.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For 2026, the total projected revenue collection is 6.06 billion.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For 2027, revenues are projected to reach 23 billion, mainly because of Malampaya Phase 4.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: RE collections are also expected to continue increasing.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For fiscal year 2027…

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sorry, before… Let's…

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Since there's no other senator, I'll just ask my quick questions.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I think it's interesting to emphasize that the revenues of DOE are predominantly from Malampaya Gas Fund.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then from 2026 to 2027, it's still very high, almost to the 2023 levels.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then your others, what are they?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: What are your other sources?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Other like fee permits.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So basically…

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Basically, fee permits, no?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So talagang ang laking bagay nung sa Malampaya.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Of course, I have to say that because ako'y nag-sponsor niyan and pinaglaban natin niyan.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And in fact, 2028 will likely go up because of the new discovery.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay, that's good.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Next slide.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For fiscal year 2027, the DOE's total proposed budget is 5.58 billion, reflecting an increase of 1.14 billion or 25.7%.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Compared with fiscal year 2026 GA of 4.43 billion.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: From 2022 to 2026, new appropriations generally maintained the largest share in the DOE's total budget, from 59.4 to 68.9%, versus automatic appropriations of about 31.1 to 40.6%.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: But for 2027, new appropriations decreased by ₱935 million.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: And account for only 36.4% of the total recommended budget, while 63.6% comes from the SAGF.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: In other words, the department's budgetary requirements will be heavily supported through the SAGF, sourced from the revenues from energy service contracts and other collections of the department.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: This chart shows the DOE…

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Before you leave again, I just want to comment.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, for the first time since 2022, which is the last six years, the new appropriations will actually be less.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: This is very important because basically, DOE is more self-sustaining than you were in the past.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I think compared to many other agencies, malaking bagay yun na.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, it's really something that I wanted to emphasize.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And as you said, the reason is, meron kayong revenues na pumapasok to support this.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, I want to emphasize this because it's a good thing.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Hirap naman ang puro bad news.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, may good news naman tayo.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: If you want to add, Secretary?

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I wanted to add also, hindi pa nabibilang diyan the contributions of our GOCCs because, for example, PSALM is one of the highest contributors in dividends.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think just this…

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: This year is about P30 billion.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Magkano ba yung contribution mo?

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PSALM President and CEO Dennis Edward de la Serna: Good afternoon, Senator Pia.

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PSALM President and CEO Dennis Edward de la Serna: Secretary, our contribution for this year is about P4 billion.

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PSALM President and CEO Dennis Edward de la Serna: For next year, we're projecting around P30 plus billion.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, the others are also contributing.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Pero wala siya dyan kasi this is remittance lang sa katina.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. Thank you. Go ahead.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Next slide.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Next slide.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: This chart shows the DOE's budget utilization rate.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: From 2022 to 31 August 2026.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Upon completion of procurement of the mobile energy system and the DOE automation project, which are already undergoing procurement, the obligation rate will increase to 67%.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The DOE expects to reach at least 95.89% utilization rate for 2026.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The increase in the DOE's recommended 2027 budget from the current year's budget level.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: It's in large part owing to increased funding for these three major projects.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The Philippine Gradiometry and Seismic Survey Project, or simply the Gradiometry Project, the Mobile Energy Systems, or MES, under the Total Electrification Project, and the ISSP, which includes the DOE Automation Project.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The Gradiometry Project is the department’s initiative to improve resource mapping and prospect

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: identification,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Reduce exploration risk and help attract greater upstream energy investments in the Philippines by generating higher quality geophysical data across priority petroleum basins.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The Grid Geometry Project covers 120,000 square kilometers.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The area could support up to 120 individual exploration service contracts.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Using data from the recently awarded exploration contracts,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: just 10% of

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the potential 120 contracts alone would already account for approximately ₱16.8 billion of potential private-sector investments.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: And that is not even counting potential oil and gas discoveries.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Under the Total Electrification Project, the department is procuring MES that will provide...

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: One last before you go to that again, let's go back to this because I was very interested in this when it was presented.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The Philippine Gradiometry and Seismic Survey Project investment is ₱2.7 billion.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And that's basically to be surveying that area that was blocked off.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I think, Secretary, you explained that even the selection of the area,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: because it's costly to survey the whole area, is very strategic.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because these are the areas that there's a big chance of making a discovery, correct?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So you want to be sure that this item is secured in the budget, right?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: This is not an additional budget you're asking for. It's already in the NEP.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, ma'am.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Okay.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And just briefly, Sandy, our in-house expert on this, can explain why.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes, explain it very quickly on the record because our briefing is not live.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I want people to know that we're investing in this kind of exploration.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, first point really is [unclear] po ng department kung saan natin dadalhin itong bagong acquisition ng data.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, for the information, the last major exercise like this was in the 80s

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na nag-acquire ng data ang Philippine government over our basins.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And it was funded through a World Bank loan.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, major milestone that after so many decades, we are again investing.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: In our own basins.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: The main criteria why we picked these basins is parang nakalimutan sila because the decision in the 70s and 80s was that these areas were gas-prone.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: At that time, natural gas po ay mahirap gawing commercial.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Walang masyadong bumibili.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: When gas became a very valuable commodity beginning in the 2000s and up to the present time.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And in fact, kailangan ng Pilipinas, [unclear] namin itong mga areas na ito, nakalimutan dahil gas-prone daw.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: But it could really matter to the future of the country if we find more indigenous gas in this what we call forgotten areas.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Thank you po.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you for that.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi I remember when I sponsored our bill on NatGas, we put on record that sadly,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the height of exploration, investment was in the 70s.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then, hindi na ho naulit yun.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, you're tying in that information we have na 80s pala yung last data collection.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But it makes sense that at that time, since hindi pa NatGas yung uso, hindi muna tinuloy.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Tapos ngayon, kailangan na nating—NatGas is really a very valuable commodity now.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, now's a good time.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: For this to really be, for this to be the focus.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But later on, you'll also mention the development also and what, exploration for geothermal, no?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi malaki din yung investment natin dati.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, later on, I think that's part of your presentation naman.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Madam Chair, if I may, one last point.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Actually, when we talk to investors, malaking push din yung nangyari sa NatGas law.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Because, ang nangyari doon,

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: it really bridged the gap between yung upstream, yung pag-explore,

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: and saan natin ibebenta.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: What happened with our NatGas law was the market was assured

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: because we said in the law that preference ang indigenous gas.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, very important factor when we go out and meet the investors.

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DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Thank you po.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And for those just following now, I remember the discussion was,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the emphasis here, the reality here is it's such a big investment because,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yung investors tataya, may makahanap ka ba?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Hindi tayo sure, di ba?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Hindi tayo sure.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, they may spend a lot and not get anything.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, to be able to tell them that if you do find gas,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: priority in the Philippines to purchase their own indigenous gas versus yung imported.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Importante yun.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi, for investors, yun ang hinahanap nila na ano yung return of investment.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Pwede kasing zero talaga eh kung walang makita.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But, at least we're saying, pag may nakita,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: those who are investing are in the industry naman eh.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, they know the risk.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But, to be assured that there will be a buyer is a big thing.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, yeah.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, I'm glad that you have this investment now for this project to proceed.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Under the total electrification project,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: that will provide the renewable,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: rapidly deployable,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and modular solutions,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: for immediate,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: interim,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and sustainable electricity access

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: for both disaster response and electrification purposes.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we are utilizing 500 million from current appropriations

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and 21 million from continuing appropriations.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: For 2027,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we are proposing 600 million budget

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: for at least 60 additional MES units.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we propose a budget of ₱950 million for

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: or 52%

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: while ₱458 million

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The DOE automation project

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: will transform fragmented

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: stand-alone systems

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: into a unified,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: It will improve efficiency and transparency,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: strengthen accountability,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and reduce opportunities

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: for discretion, manipulation

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and corruption.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Finally, we present a summary

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: is interoperable

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kailangan yung ibang agencies that you may have

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to be coordinating with.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: it's not that difficult at this time

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to make sure that that happens.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: A few years ago, laging lumalabas na

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: issue yan eh, na hindi

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: aligned yung mga systems

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ng gobyerno natin. So just be sure.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: improve the lives of the

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: people in DOE, make it easier

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and also make it

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: streamline the process.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I don't know if Yusexasa still

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: wants to explain but that's the main

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: objective that we want

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: fully integrated

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: among us and also with our

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: stakeholders and also with our

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: GOCCs para

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: mas mabilis na yung trabaho.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Maybe later we can make a note na

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pag natapos yung

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: main presentation, then you want to say

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: a few, we will put on record

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: whatever you want to add or

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: if not, then at least give me a paper

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: on it. Thank you.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Next slide. Finally, we present

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: a summary of the department's major plans

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and programs. First,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: we accelerate energy resource development.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: The biggest investment

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: of the DOE is on the

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: grid geometry project, which is

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: expected to significantly increase oil

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and gas explorations in the country.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We are implementing the

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Philippine Geothermal Derisking Facility

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to revive geothermal

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: exploration in the Philippines.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We are also conducting additional

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: green energy auctions

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: such as waste to energy,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: onshore and offshore wind,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: geothermal, agro-solar,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: solar on stilts,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: solar on irrigation canals,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and off-grid areas.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Nuclear energy remains part of the

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: DOE's long-term energy strategy,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: functioning as cheaper

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and more reliable base load

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: power. The mid-merit

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: natural gas capacity auction

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: is targeted to be completed

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: by December 2026.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We also have major plans

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: to ensure energy security, including the deployment of MES, establishment of a state-owned strategic fuel reserve,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: formulation of the Visayas, Mindoro, and Palawan energy master plans,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: implementation of policies for generation companies' accountability, review of systems laws-related policies and programs,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: push for government-wide adoption of electric vehicles or EVs, and deployment of EV charging stations.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: We also have several key projects to strengthen governance, including the full digitalization, automation, and AI transformation of DOE,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the establishment of the DOE Center for Energy Excellence, comprising of the Energy Museum, Energy Academy, and R&D Center,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: the strengthening of DOE Manpower, the modernization of the DOE Nationwide Command Center,

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: and the upgrading of DOE facilities to achieve net-zero energy consumption.

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DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo: Madam Chair, Honorable Members of the Committee, this ends my presentation. Thank you for your kind attention.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. Before we go to Attorney Juan, I just had the—

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I remembered…

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: In the energy industry, are there specific professions that are required, or even non-professional jobs that we have a shortage of?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I ask because, as you probably know, I'm very passionate about education, and one of the things we are lacking is the direct connection between the industry and CHED or TESDA.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, meron ba? I'm just curious.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, ma'am.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: You had mentioned electrical engineers. May kulang. I just assumed it's electrical.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I have Usec Guevara, our Dean of UP Engineering.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Are you a dean?

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: I was a dean from 2004 to 2010.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Saan na ba yan? Kasi when I was in UP, katabi pa yan ng lot. Hindi na, di ba? Nag-move na. Ah, hindi, yung RQ sa taas ang nag-move.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Pinalayas na namin sila.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: May sarili nang building. Kasi UP Arki yung anak ko.

438
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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: At doon pala sila.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: May 6 na bago, pero kayo doon pa rin.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Doon pa rin.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ah, okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: May 6 na bagong buildings din po kami.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ah, really?

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: In the area?

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: In the science and engineering area on Velasquez Street.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay, okay. Anyway, go ahead.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Anyway, depending on the technologies, for example, nuclear, because all our engineers left in 1987, the faculty members and so on, so we have to rebuild.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Fortunately, DOST started about 5 years ago.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: They've sent people for PhD.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Masters and so on.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And then, for the offshore wind, this is the new technology among the renewables.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we have a deal with the CHED and TESDA because there's specific job descriptions, no?

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: That we need to convert perhaps a mechanical engineer into an offshore wind engineer and so on.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Mga bridge programs.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, they're working that out with the universities?

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And then, we also have—

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We just discovered that many of our plants, coal-fired power plants, gas plants, and so on, are maintained by foreigners.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, every time there's a breakdown in a plant, we have to wait for the foreigner to come and do the repairs or assess, even the assessment.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And we have what we call the maintenance program for these plants.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And once we schedule it for a year, we cannot move the dates because they have to reserve the plants.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Ahead of time.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we need to develop that ability again in the Philippines.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Otherwise, we cannot fix our plants right away.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, in terms of human resource, we do have a lot of engineers.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And in fact, those foreign experts, when they come, sometimes they are Filipinos.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We are not able to keep them, Madam Chair.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we do have the talent pool.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We have a lot of engineering graduates.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We cannot retain them.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Just a quick response.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I'm actually happy with the bulk of your response because you're already communicating with Ched.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And that must be because of your experience as a dean.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because in many other sectors that I talked to, parang wala.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, you're already ahead.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I'm happy to hear that.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ito na bang yung maintenance na lang talaga.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, Secretary, I'm happy to work with whoever will take over USEC Guevara's...

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ayan, sige.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: No, because I want to be sure.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I want to be sure you get that done.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I mean, even among how many coal plants are there.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: How many are there?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Di ba sila pwedeng mag-unite?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I mean, it's just a matter of getting it done.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Di ba?

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We, actually, just timely enough.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We just had a meeting with the...

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Anong tawag ko dun?

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yeah.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We are trying to do capacity building projects also with them.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Para may pool tayo na accredited to do those things.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But that's still in the initial stages.

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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But yes, there's a...

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because I remember when we visited the rig in Palawan, Malampaya,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: when I visited it, what, almost two years ago, a year and a half ago,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that was also the issue that if we don't get assurance that there will be a continuity,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we'll also lose that very capable manpower that we have.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And there are all Filipino crew pa naman.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So...

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, let's get this going and let's try to maintain na talaga.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And yeah, the idea is later on when they're so good, sila naman...

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Well, nangyari na nga.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Umalis na lahat dati.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, let's rebuild again.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, we'll go now.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I think, wait, before I go to Attorney Juan, just very quick questions.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Very quick.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: What's our current energy mix?

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We are currently coal.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Is about 62%.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And then, renewables is about 25%.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And then, you have the rest, the oil and gas and so on, as well as the others.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And also, BES, battery energy storage system.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, with the top two, that's already equivalent to 87%, no?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But I'll give you a minute to tell me how RE is doing.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because we do know that RE use is going up and even the cost of RE is going down.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, can you...

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Can you make your little, you know, make that statement about it?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because this is what so many environmentalists have been waiting to happen.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And it has happened in our lifetime.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Madam Chair.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Let me just acknowledge Senator Erwin Tulfo.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sir, I'll give you a minute to make an opening statement if you want.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I'll just let her finish this question.

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Senator Erwin Tulfo: Go ahead.

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Senator Erwin Tulfo: I don't have any opening statement, Madam Chair.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sige.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, go ahead and answer the question lang.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Madam Chair, from 2022 to 2024,

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: our renewable energy in the generation mix in megawatt hours was 22%.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Last year, 2025, it jumped to 25%.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: It's a 3% increase.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we figured based on our plans and the green energy auction results,

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: by 2030, we will reach 35% of renewable energy in the generation mix.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And that's the target?

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes, ma'am.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And in terms of pricing,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: banggitin mo na,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kasi on record.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Dati po yung coal, mas mura siya kesa sa solar.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Ngayon, solar is cheaper than coal already.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, I'll repeat.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Solar is now cheaper than coal.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, in our desire to push for more RE, more renewables, more sustainable,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we are on track and it should happen because hindi na madaling sabihin na

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: mas mura ang coal, kailangan natin umasa sa coal.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And can you also add to the discussion?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, people understand, no?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Because it's very rare that you get a full picture.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: One of the reasons why RE, renewable energy, was difficult to push was because of the storage.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, kung walang araw, hindi mo na-store yung na-collect mong energy,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: wala kang magagamit, diba?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, hindi siya nagagamit for base load.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But now, maybe you can update us on what is the scenario now with the batteries?

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Today, even households can have solar and battery.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Solar para mag-charge siya ng battery.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Para pati sa gabi, renewable siya.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Because battery prices have gone down by 90% in the past 10 years.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And Madam Chair, to also add, yung pong ating mga renewables ngayon,

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: people are worried na ang mahal naman niyang bagong technology na yan.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: I would like to remind people that when we started solar as fit in 2015,

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: the price was ₱9.68

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: per kilowatt hour.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And today, it's 4.5.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Wow.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, from 9.68 to 4.5.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: 4.5.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, we would like to encourage people not to be afraid of the initial high price of new technologies

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: because it will really go down.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. Thank you for that, ma'am.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, energy mix.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then, my other question is, what's the fastest growing?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, solar na nga.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Solar.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, yung aasahan ko sana dyan is geothermal din, no?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sana.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sana. Pero hindi pa.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi sabi niyo, yung presentation kanina is binabalik pa lang natin ulit eh.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: We are going to borrow money from Asian Development Bank,

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: $170 million to de-risk the exploration of wells for geothermal.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yun po kasi yung pinaka-risky part eh.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Kailangan mong mag-drill ng tatlong wells, $6 to $8 million each.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Lahat sila successful bago mo sabihin na,

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: bakit di ako mag-drill dito?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: And since 2012, when we sold our geothermal plants,

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: we have not had greenfield.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Since 2012.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Because the private sector is afraid of the risk.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, the geothermal de-risking facility that we are borrowing from ADB

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: will basically say, 50% of the risk will be taken by the government.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So, land bank, our partner, will lend money for exploration, drilling wells.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: If the geothermal developer is successful,

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: repay land bank.

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: If they're not successful, it's a grant from the Philippine government.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, tumaya ka, but 50% of that is secure ka.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, yung risk mo is just 50%.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And it's a loan from ADB by the government?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Is that what it is?

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DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Yes. Sovereign guaranteed loan.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. So, that means, basically, yung government yung tumataya.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: It's just that tinulungan tayo ng ADB to provide the funding.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, just for your information, Senator Tulfo,

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there are just two presentations.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The first one is done by DOE.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The second one is going to be presented to us by Attorney Juan for ERC.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then, after that, I'll open it to questions.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, are you okay with that?

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Dalawa lang naman tayo, no?

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Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yes, Madam Chair.

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Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. So, Attorney Juan, please proceed. Thank you.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Thank you, Madam Chair, Honorable Senator Erwin Tulfo,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and my Secretary Sharon Garin, and my colleagues in the Energy Family.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: I am Attorney Juan, Chairperson and CEO of the ERC.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And with me are the Commissioners of ERC, Commissioner Floresinda Baldo-Digal,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Commissioner Amante Liberato, and Commissioner Paris Real.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our mandate in EPIRA is very clear, and that is to promote competition,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ensure

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consumer choice, protect consumer interests,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and keep retail rates based on prudent and reasonable cost recovery,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and penalize abuse of market power.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Slide three.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We regulate the full electricity value chain, the regulated sectors,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: transmission and distribution, and the competitive sector generation and supply.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, there can be better appreciation of the following slides as regards the ERC accomplishments

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Let me just describe briefly how we regulate the transmission and distribution sector.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Basically, we set the rates and performance standards for our transmission utility, the NGCP,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and our distribution utilities, both the private utilities and the electric cooperatives.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: For our monitoring and oversight over the competitive sector, namely the generation and supply,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we basically license it.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: These entities, the generation companies, through the issuance of certificates of compliance, as well as license the retail electricity suppliers through the issuance of the RES licenses to them.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: At the same time, we issue regulations that will govern the sector short of setting or regulating the prices at which these entities offer to their respective customers.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Except that for generation companies that are selling to distribution utilities for their captive market, we review the power supply agreements.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that they enter into, as well as for ancillary service providers that are offering ancillary services to the transmission service provider. We likewise review and approve the ancillary service procurement agreements or ASPAs that they enter into. Slide four: the industry we regulate is valued at ₱4.19 trillion, with the DOE projecting around

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ₱20 to ₱31 trillion in investment needs through 2050, and with this it is anticipated that 1.8 million jobs will be created. So this is the scale of the energy sector that our proposed budget of ₱940 million must support. Next slide, the ERC has awoken from its slumber: 5,149 decisions

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and orders issued in the period which is more than double the 2,411 issued in the same months

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a year earlier. With the National Lifeline Subsidy Program that ERC developed last year

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in consultation with the DOE and the DSWD, lifeline rate subsidy coverage is up 85.33 percent.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: It now reaches 620,000 qualified marginalized end users. Net metering registrations are up

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 51.77 percent under the streamlined licensing procedures that ERC implemented also last year.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Worthy to mention also is the completed rate reset of NGCP both for the fourth regulatory period

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the fifth regulatory period. This happened in 2024.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And this happened after more than a decade of delays.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And together with the rate reset of NGCP was the approval of 1,602 CAPEX projects worth 290 billion.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Next slide.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: The ERC also approved 71.3 billion in refunds as of August 2026.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: More than triple the 21.3 billion.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: A year earlier, including the 69.95 billion that Meralco was asked to refund

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the true-up mechanism or the actual weighted average tariff mechanism that ERC devised

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: so it can address the period during which there were no rate reset that was conducted for our private distribution.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So it is Meralco that was directed but soon because the ERC also directed other private distribution utilities

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to file similar petitions, we will be acting on the other private distribution utilities' AWAT applications.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: The ERC also approved last year 292 power supply agreement applications, up from a mere

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 71

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a year

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: earlier,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and 184

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of those

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with final

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: authority or decision.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Average

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: competitive retail

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: electricity

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: market, or this is the generation

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: charge that is usually

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: offered by

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: retail electricity suppliers

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to contestable customers,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the CREM rates are

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ₱5.33

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to ₱5.73

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: per kilowatt-hour.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, all in all, we

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: estimate that the CREM

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: delivered 19.87

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: billion in consumer

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: savings in 2025.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And related to the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: CREM is the lowering

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the threshold. That happened

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: also last year.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: From the threshold of

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 500 kilowatt, we lowered

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the contestability threshold

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to 100 kilowatt,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and then we started,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and we restarted

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the performance-based

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: rate setting for the private

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: distribution utilities

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: after more than

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a decade of delays

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and made our

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: filing

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: mandatory, as I mentioned,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for all private distribution

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: utilities. In support

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: also of the targets of the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Department of Energy for

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the greater renewable

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: energy share in our total

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generation mix, we set

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the green energy auction reserve

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: price for offshore wind and

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pioneer waste-to-energy projects.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We updated

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the AMI rules or the advanced

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: metering infrastructure rules

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for smart grid modernization,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and addressed long-standing

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generation sector issues,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: including the public

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: offering requirement,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the PSA and ASPA delayed

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: approvals, point-to-point

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: transmission delayed approvals,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: fit adjustment, and

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: UCME.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Every one of these was delivered

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: within our existing budget.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Now, for our

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: priorities for 2027,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: they remain

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: one, fair

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and evidence-based

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: rate setting, two,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: timely resolution of pending

741
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: cases, three,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: robust oversight to foster

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: competition, and four,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a stable and enhanced regulatory

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: environment to attract

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: investment. All of these

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: are anchored in our most important

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: thrust, which is five, a proactive

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consumer-focused leadership.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Next slide.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Under these five major

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: trusts are these activities,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: one, we will set

754
01:05:05,740 --> 01:05:08,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the reserve

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: prices for emerging technologies

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the Green Energy Auction

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Program of the Department

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of Energy whenever required,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: both for on-grid and off-grid,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and build the framework

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the natural gas

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: auction and

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: possibly nuclear technology

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the future, and force

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the distribution utilities

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: least-cost supply obligations,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: including

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: More timely audits of their

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pass-through charges, including

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a fuel audit of

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: their pass-through fuel charges.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And restart and complete

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the regulatory rate reset

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: proceedings for all regulated

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: entities, both

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the private distribution utilities

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the electric cooperatives,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: both on-grid and off-grid.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: By the way, for the electric cooperatives,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we have not had any

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: rate reset or rate adjustment

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01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for our electric cooperatives.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: For more,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for more than a dozen

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: years. And so it is high time

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that we look into their rates, especially

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the mandate of the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: president now for these electric cooperatives

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to shape up, operate more

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: efficiently, and bring down their

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: system losses.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We also intend

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in 2027 to

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consolidate our ERCify

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and other apps into one ERC

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: app, ensure full compliance

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the EVOSS Act

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: timelines and the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 135-day

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Microgrid Systems Act

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: deadline. By the way, as far

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: as our performance in the EVOSS,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we are delivering

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on-time approvals for

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: all the cases and matters under

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: EVOSS. We further

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: streamline our processes

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the 2026

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Rules of Practice and

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Procedure of the ERC,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: which we just approved yesterday,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and strengthen the monitoring and

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: enforcement for RPS,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: net metering, DUR, FIT

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance, and JEA allowance

816
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: compliance. We will again

817
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: support the ASEAN

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Power Grid and push for EPIRA amendments

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to strengthen the ERC's

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: authority, issue

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: regulations and regulatory frameworks

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: where there are gaps,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and align them

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the amendments to the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: RE Act and EPIRA, including

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the roadmap for

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: removing the system loss charge,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and ensure timely resolution

829
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of all DU and

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: NGCP rate cases,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: PSA, ASPA, KPEX

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: applications, dispute resolutions,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and consumer complaints.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We will

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: soon have the new

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or the 2026 Philippine

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Grid Code, and

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with this,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we will also enforce

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the new Magna Carta for

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Electricity Consumers, backed

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: by a more vigorous information

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: campaign on the new rights that

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we've defined under this new

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Magna Carta. We'll also

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pursue and amend our rules on

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: redistribution, and

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pursue ISO certification

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the Commission.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We will also enhance the consumer

851
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: complaints ticketing system, strengthen

852
01:08:19,460 --> 01:08:21,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the ERC's energy prices

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: response capability, and

854
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: fully implement and monitor the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 100 kilowatt retail competition

856
01:08:27,140 --> 01:08:29,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and open access threshold

857
01:08:29,340 --> 01:08:31,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with continuous public

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: education to encourage broader

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: participation. We

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: integrate this threshold into the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: retail market roadmap

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: alongside the Green Energy

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Option Program and the Retail

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Aggregation Program to lay the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: groundwork for eventual household sector

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: inclusion and

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: support electric vehicle adoption

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: including, hopefully, in

869
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ERC's own fleet.

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01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:57,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: For our budget, our GAA

871
01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:59,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: grew modestly from

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01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 911 million in

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2024 to 931

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: million in 2026.

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01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our proposal for

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2027 is 1.7

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: billion. It is significantly

878
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: higher, but it reflects

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the workload, activities,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the mandate that we just presented.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Next slide.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our 2027

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01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:22,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: budget is

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 1.7 billion.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: However, the NEP

886
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: only reflects

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 944 million, or

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a reduction of 44.6

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01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: percent.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: That disallowance is mainly

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in MOOE and

892
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: capital outlay, the very items

893
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that will be funding our rate reset

894
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:44,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consultancies,

895
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ICT modernization, and case

896
01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:48,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: resolution capacity.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: This is the increase we

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: respectfully ask or request of

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the Honorable Committee

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to consider.

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01:09:56,940 --> 01:09:59,380
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our overall utilization rate

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the first half of each year

903
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: has climbed steadily from

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 28.08 percent

905
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in June of 2021

906
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: up to 46.81

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: percent in June

908
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2026. So this is

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: evidence of stronger absorptive

910
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: capacity by the ERC

911
01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:18,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to responsibly manage a larger

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01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: budget. The full

913
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: year utilization

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: has also strengthened

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 84.2

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: percent by end of 2025.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: This is up from

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a low of 62.0%

919
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in 2023.

920
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:36,860
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: For in

921
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2025, the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ERC generated

923
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2.354 billion

924
01:10:42,540 --> 01:10:43,900
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in revenue,

925
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:46,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a 121 percent increase

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: over our ₱1.065

927
01:10:48,940 --> 01:10:49,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: billion projection,

928
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and above our entire budget

929
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:53,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allocation for two years,

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01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:56,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2025 and 2026.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: As of June 30,

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2026, we have already

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: collected ₱958.3

934
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: million.

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And the bulk of the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: SRF or supervision

937
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and regulatory fee collections

938
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: are expected by end of

939
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: September 2026.

940
01:11:16,620 --> 01:11:18,480
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So we are expecting

941
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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that we will surpass the

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ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 2.3 billion revenue

943
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the entire year.

944
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:26,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So as you can see, the ERC

945
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:28,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is a net revenue generator,

946
01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:30,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a cash machine for the government.

947
01:11:31,740 --> 01:11:32,820
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: This budget request

948
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,820
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of 1.7 billion is more

949
01:11:34,820 --> 01:11:36,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: than offset by what we

950
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: return to the

951
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Treasury. That will be the end

952
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:42,480
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of my presentation, Madam Chair,

953
01:11:42,780 --> 01:11:43,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Honorable Senators.

954
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you so much,

955
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:54,880
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Attorney Wan. I want to recognize

956
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: our Senate President,

957
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,540
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Senator Sherwin Gatchalian,

958
01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:00,820
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: former Chairman also of the Committee on Energy,

959
01:12:01,220 --> 01:12:02,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and of course, our Majority Floor Leader,

960
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,600
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: also former Senate President,

961
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:06,500
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Migz Zubiri. Hindi pa naman

962
01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:07,600
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: naging Chairman ng Committee on Energy.

963
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:10,840
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But on that note,

964
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Senator Subiri would like to make

965
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,400
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: some remarks.

966
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,760
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Okay, better.

967
01:12:36,940 --> 01:12:37,820
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Much better. Thank you.

968
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,700
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I'm just here. I'm not going to ask any questions

969
01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:41,620
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to the DOE and

970
01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:44,020
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: of course to ERC.

971
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:46,180
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: As far as I'm concerned, they're doing the best

972
01:12:46,180 --> 01:12:48,140
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: that they can with whatever we have

973
01:12:48,140 --> 01:12:50,140
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: going on around the world

974
01:12:50,140 --> 01:12:52,300
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: nowadays with the war

975
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:53,020
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: in the Middle East.

976
01:12:53,740 --> 01:12:56,100
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I'd just like to greet Secretary Sharon

977
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:58,040
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Garin. A pleasant good afternoon,

978
01:12:58,180 --> 01:13:00,240
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Madam. Of course,

979
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,120
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to the head of the ERC and all the

980
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:02,800
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: members of the ERC.

981
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,940
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: All the undersecretaries of the DOE.

982
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:08,060
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Just maybe one,

983
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,340
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: 'Yung Philatom

984
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,780
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: hindi po sa kanila, Madam. There's a new

985
01:13:11,780 --> 01:13:13,260
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: agency called Philatom,

986
01:13:13,740 --> 01:13:15,720
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: and I know I'm assisting

987
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,400
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the DOE

988
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:19,580
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: on certain

989
01:13:19,580 --> 01:13:22,040
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: treaties, which is

990
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:23,960
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the nuclear treaties, the four

991
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,900
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: nuclear treaties, but we had to

992
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:28,000
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: suspend, Secretary, we had to suspend

993
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,100
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the deliberation because the questions

994
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:31,960
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: were actually on Philatom, and

995
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,200
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: since we don't have yet, I think we don't have yet

996
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:35,800
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: a, yeah, maybe we recognize

997
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,580
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Secretary, really just quick answer.

998
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:39,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, the Philatom

999
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ay naipasa nang batas,

1000
01:13:42,020 --> 01:13:44,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: but the commissioners haven't been

1001
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: appointed yet. Technically,

1002
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:47,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's under

1003
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the Office of the President.

1004
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: What's the role of DOE

1005
01:13:52,380 --> 01:13:54,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on this? DOE is involved

1006
01:13:54,460 --> 01:13:56,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because it is the chair of

1007
01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:57,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the NEPYAC,

1008
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Nuclear Energy Program Interagency

1009
01:14:00,340 --> 01:14:01,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Committee, and the,

1010
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the NEPYAC

1011
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: is the one overseeing

1012
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:07,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: everything that's nuclear-related. So, this is

1013
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nuclear-related. We also,

1014
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:11,740
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: only to the extent of, like,

1015
01:14:11,780 --> 01:14:13,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: capacity building, organizing the whole thing,

1016
01:14:13,900 --> 01:14:16,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: but the appointments and the internals

1017
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and the Philatom, that's not within the

1018
01:14:17,900 --> 01:14:19,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOE. Maybe more of the OST path

1019
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:20,560
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: than DOE.

1020
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:21,640
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Okay, thank you.

1021
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,820
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Yeah, just, we'll have to remind, I guess,

1022
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:25,780
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the executive that there's

1023
01:14:25,780 --> 01:14:27,880
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: that law created Philatom, and

1024
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:28,640
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: we need to appoint

1025
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,940
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the head of Philatom as soon as possible,

1026
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:33,740
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: so that we can discuss all these other

1027
01:14:33,740 --> 01:14:34,500
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: policies. Yeah.

1028
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:37,760
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Mahirap yun, ha? Napakahirap maghanap kaya ng

1029
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,320
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: nuclear physicist or

1030
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,040
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: some sort of expert on, what do you

1031
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:43,360
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: think? Wala akong kaibigan, actually.

1032
01:14:43,740 --> 01:14:45,240
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ako din, wala din akong kilala.

1033
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:46,060
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: But,

1034
01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:49,780
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: except for Congressman

1035
01:14:49,780 --> 01:14:51,440
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Mark Cojuangco, who is a nuclear

1036
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:53,980
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: proponent. He's the only one

1037
01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:55,340
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I know whenever I think nuclear.

1038
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,680
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: But, yes, so that's it.

1039
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,900
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: But I'm here to support the budget of the DOE.

1040
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,360
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to support them, not only

1041
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,640
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: financial support but also

1042
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,680
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: moral support because I know it's a difficult

1043
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,400
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: time and they're being

1044
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,220
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: ganged up but

1045
01:15:10,220 --> 01:15:12,300
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: at no fault of theirs

1046
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,600
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: because really, we cannot control

1047
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,560
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: the factors that are happening in the Middle East

1048
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,560
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Your Honors, and I'd like

1049
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,500
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to also support the budget of the

1050
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:22,580
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: ERC and all the other attached agencies

1051
01:15:22,580 --> 01:15:24,460
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: of the Department of Energy. Just

1052
01:15:24,460 --> 01:15:26,000
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: ano lang, Madam Chair, really quick,

1053
01:15:26,540 --> 01:15:28,560
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: this is for my Bukidnon Airport,

1054
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,380
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: we put funds, Sania.

1055
01:15:30,940 --> 01:15:32,520
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Good to see you, Chairman

1056
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:33,700
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Administrator Almeda.

1057
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,040
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Permission to respond, Ma'am.

1058
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:38,920
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Sen,

1059
01:15:39,060 --> 01:15:40,800
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: just to give you a

1060
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:41,700
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: update,

1061
01:15:43,340 --> 01:15:44,320
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: FIBEKO already

1062
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,580
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: procured a 10

1063
01:15:46,580 --> 01:15:48,300
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: MVA substation

1064
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:50,640
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: that will be situated in

1065
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,560
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Don Carlos, dedicated

1066
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,700
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to the Bukidnon Airport.

1067
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:56,540
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: The congressional

1068
01:15:56,540 --> 01:15:58,400
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: initiative of 20 million

1069
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,020
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: is about to be approved already

1070
01:16:00,020 --> 01:16:02,000
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: so about to be implemented

1071
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,540
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: so initially, there was

1072
01:16:04,540 --> 01:16:04,920
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: a

1073
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,920
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: there was a

1074
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:09,700
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: forecast of

1075
01:16:09,700 --> 01:16:11,760
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: initial load projection of

1076
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,480
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: 3 megawatts and

1077
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:16,220
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: eventually to increase to

1078
01:16:16,220 --> 01:16:18,280
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: 5 megawatts. Let me assure you that

1079
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,160
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: FIBEKO is ready to accommodate

1080
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:21,960
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the load demand.

1081
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:23,860
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Thank you, Madam Chair,

1082
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,300
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Sir Almeda. That's what you

1083
01:16:26,300 --> 01:16:28,320
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: call the good initiatives done by the

1084
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,320
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Senate. We put the

1085
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,220
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: funds just last year for

1086
01:16:32,220 --> 01:16:34,260
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: 20 million to the construction of

1087
01:16:34,260 --> 01:16:35,820
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: distribution line for Bukidnon Airport.

1088
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,420
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Thank you for that update. More power

1089
01:16:38,420 --> 01:16:40,460
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: to you, Sir, and hopefully we can land.

1090
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,140
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I will invite all of you to land there

1091
01:16:42,140 --> 01:16:44,060
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: pag natapos na yung aming Bukidnon Airport.

1092
01:16:44,540 --> 01:16:45,960
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Thank you, Pa. Kung kailangan niyong

1093
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,720
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: bumisita ng North Cotabato,

1094
01:16:48,020 --> 01:16:50,340
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: ng Wao, Lanosur,

1095
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:52,380
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: or even the southern part of

1096
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:54,660
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Davao, which is the Buda area,

1097
01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:56,400
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: dyan na po kayo mag-landing

1098
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,060
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: sa amin. So, once again,

1099
01:16:58,320 --> 01:16:59,920
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: may salamat. I have nothing but

1100
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:01,860
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: full support to the budgets of these

1101
01:17:01,860 --> 01:17:03,100
Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: departments. Thank you.

1102
01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:06,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. The Majority Floor

1103
01:17:06,220 --> 01:17:08,240
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Leader might have to leave soon. So, before

1104
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,100
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I give the floor to the Chairman of the

1105
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:12,240
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Committee on Energy, sabi niya full support.

1106
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,980
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, sasabihin ko na sa kanya at habang

1107
01:17:13,980 --> 01:17:16,000
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nandito ang Senate President, ang

1108
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: current Chairman ng Committee on Energy, and the

1109
01:17:18,020 --> 01:17:20,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Majority Floor Leader, ako na magsasabi

1110
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:22,160
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: para mabilis yung inyong mga budgetary requests.

1111
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay? Huwag kayong maingay

1112
01:17:24,020 --> 01:17:25,480
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: para full attention sila.

1113
01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:28,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, mas malaki ng

1114
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,440
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: konti ito sa 20 milyon.

1115
01:17:30,460 --> 01:17:32,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yung sa, ano, NEA,

1116
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:33,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kay, ano, kay

1117
01:17:33,660 --> 01:17:35,740
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Chairman Almeda,

1118
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:37,780
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: they need 7 billion

1119
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:40,060
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for, to implement the Systems

1120
01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:41,880
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Loss Reduction Program, kasi

1121
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,580
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: tatamaan talaga dito yung mga

1122
01:17:43,580 --> 01:17:45,980
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: cooperatives. Now, this is

1123
01:17:45,980 --> 01:17:48,240
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for the removal,

1124
01:17:48,460 --> 01:17:49,900
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: reduction of the non-technical

1125
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:51,900
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: systems losses. And then, in

1126
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:54,280
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: addition, they have a 3 billion request

1127
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for line enhancement of ailing

1128
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,960
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: electric cooperatives. We can

1129
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,040
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ask later for details na lang. I'm just putting

1130
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,160
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: it here now habang kumpleto

1131
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:03,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pa 'tong powerhouse natin.

1132
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:05,000
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And then,

1133
01:18:06,220 --> 01:18:08,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ERC, nabanggit na, pero

1134
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,040
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: uulitin ko na lang, it's

1135
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:11,980
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 728 million lang naman.

1136
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:13,600
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Hindi man lang umabot sa billion

1137
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: para, ano, magawa

1138
01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:18,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nila lahat nitong, nothing

1139
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,100
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: new, but yung mga kailangan nilang gawin.

1140
01:18:20,180 --> 01:18:21,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: This is for MOOE and

1141
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,940
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: capital outlay. Hindi ko na iisahin,

1142
01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:26,060
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pero the letter, I can

1143
01:18:26,060 --> 01:18:27,800
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: give everyone a copy. It's addressed to

1144
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,960
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Chairman J.V.

1145
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:31,780
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ejercito. And then,

1146
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,980
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: NPC, meron ba sa mga

1147
01:18:35,980 --> 01:18:37,440
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: GIDAS and ano?

1148
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:38,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Or may pera ka na?

1149
01:18:39,340 --> 01:18:42,020
NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: Wala pong pera. Hiningi sa special

1150
01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:42,820
NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: provision po.

1151
01:18:42,820 --> 01:18:44,300
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ah, special provision.

1152
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:45,100
NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: Susulat po kami.

1153
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:46,200
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But with the special

1154
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:47,240
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: provision, okay na.

1155
01:18:47,700 --> 01:18:49,540
NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: Just the special provision para lang

1156
01:18:49,540 --> 01:18:51,050
NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles: mga chairperson.

1157
01:18:51,050 --> 01:18:51,880
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Madali yun.

1158
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,040
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay. So, on that note, that's on

1159
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,000
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: record. I will now give the floor

1160
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to the Chairperson.

1161
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,320
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Chairman of the Committee on Energy, Senator

1162
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:00,900
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ay, did I forget something?

1163
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:02,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Senator Tulfo, you have the floor.

1164
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:04,960
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you, Madam Chair.

1165
01:19:05,260 --> 01:19:07,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I would just like to direct my question first.

1166
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:08,680
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Dito po sa

1167
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Administrator ng National

1168
01:19:11,540 --> 01:19:13,820
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Electrification Administration.

1169
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Administrator,

1170
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:17,680
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Almeda, yung pong

1171
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,500
Senator Erwin Tulfo: 7 billion, ano ho ito?

1172
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,220
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Is this ikang

1173
01:19:21,220 --> 01:19:23,580
Senator Erwin Tulfo: subsidy? Is it a grant that you're

1174
01:19:23,580 --> 01:19:25,860
Senator Erwin Tulfo: asking? Or ito po ba ipatautang

1175
01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:27,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa mga cooperative natin?

1176
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,200
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Para saan po ito? Pakipaliwanag nga.

1177
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:31,380
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Your Honors,

1178
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,700
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the 7 billion is

1179
01:19:33,700 --> 01:19:34,940
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: a fund

1180
01:19:34,940 --> 01:19:37,640
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: in addition to the

1181
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,820
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: loan equity fund of the

1182
01:19:39,820 --> 01:19:41,840
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: National Electrification Administration

1183
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,020
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to loan to the

1184
01:19:44,020 --> 01:19:45,920
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: electric cooperatives to cushion

1185
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,880
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the effect

1186
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,900
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: of the elimination of the

1187
01:19:49,900 --> 01:19:51,480
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: non-technical system losses.

1188
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,040
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: The elimination

1189
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,760
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: of the non-technical system losses

1190
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,440
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: would entail a lot of

1191
01:19:57,440 --> 01:19:58,520
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: expenditures.

1192
01:19:59,940 --> 01:20:01,220
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Case in point,

1193
01:20:01,740 --> 01:20:03,600
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the electric cooperatives will have

1194
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,400
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to do a lot of metering

1195
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,820
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: requirements. May metrohan

1196
01:20:07,820 --> 01:20:09,660
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: po yung lahat ng walang metro.

1197
01:20:10,420 --> 01:20:11,960
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Lahat ho ng nagnanakaw

1198
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,640
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ay puputulan at lalagyan

1199
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:14,940
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ho ng panibagong metro.

1200
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,060
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Yun po ang aming

1201
01:20:17,060 --> 01:20:19,040
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: na-design yung plano

1202
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,520
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: that will be involved

1203
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:22,640
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: in four stages.

1204
01:20:23,660 --> 01:20:25,800
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: And the implementation

1205
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:27,320
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: will be in phases.

1206
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,920
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Kinantify po namin

1207
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,820
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang funding requirement

1208
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:34,100
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: para maka-cope up

1209
01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:35,600
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang mga electric cooperatives

1210
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,220
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: on phase 1, which will be

1211
01:20:38,220 --> 01:20:40,020
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: the reduction of the

1212
01:20:40,020 --> 01:20:42,600
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: non-technical system losses to 25%,

1213
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:43,780
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: it will entail

1214
01:20:43,780 --> 01:20:45,620
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: more or less about

1215
01:20:45,620 --> 01:20:46,440
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: 4 billion

1216
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:50,820
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: in capital

1217
01:20:50,820 --> 01:20:52,900
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: expenditure.

1218
01:20:53,380 --> 01:20:53,980
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Phase 2,

1219
01:20:54,580 --> 01:20:56,020
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: pagdating po ng phase 2,

1220
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:57,300
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang pag-aaral,

1221
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:58,880
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang projection po namin ay pwede

1222
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,480
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: nang bawasan ng 50%

1223
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:02,180
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ang non-technical system losses.

1224
01:21:02,580 --> 01:21:04,900
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: It will again entail about 1 billion

1225
01:21:04,900 --> 01:21:07,160
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: of capital and expenditure.

1226
01:21:08,020 --> 01:21:09,060
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: And phase 3,

1227
01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:11,160
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: pagdumating na po sa phase 3,

1228
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,320
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: pwede na po natin tanggalin ng 75%

1229
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,860
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: ng non-technical system losses.

1230
01:21:16,420 --> 01:21:17,520
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Another 1 billion.

1231
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:19,280
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: And at the last phase,

1232
01:21:19,580 --> 01:21:21,740
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: where there will be a total elimination

1233
01:21:21,740 --> 01:21:23,520
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: of the non-technical system losses,

1234
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,160
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: meaning 100% na po ang tatanggalin natin,

1235
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,200
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: it will entail

1236
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:28,660
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: another 1.5 billion.

1237
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,740
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: A total of 7.5 billion, sir.

1238
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:32,860
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you po,

1239
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,720
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Administrator Almeda.

1240
01:21:35,140 --> 01:21:36,880
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Now, when I came in,

1241
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,340
Senator Erwin Tulfo: it was Yusek Ruena Guevara

1242
01:21:39,340 --> 01:21:41,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: making a presentation

1243
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:42,260
Senator Erwin Tulfo: about solar energy.

1244
01:21:42,900 --> 01:21:43,920
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Undersecretary,

1245
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: what is the lifetime of solar panels?

1246
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:48,980
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kasi mukhang

1247
01:21:48,980 --> 01:21:50,720
Senator Erwin Tulfo: papunta na po tayo doon eh.

1248
01:21:51,260 --> 01:21:52,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: So ano po ang

1249
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,140
Senator Erwin Tulfo: lifetime

1250
01:21:54,140 --> 01:21:56,440
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng existence

1251
01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:57,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng solar panels?

1252
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,580
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Senator, yung mga bagong labas

1253
01:22:00,580 --> 01:22:02,220
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ay mga 25 years po.

1254
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,400
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Okay. Kasi ma'am,

1255
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,380
Senator Erwin Tulfo: meron na po ba tayong

1256
01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:08,480
Senator Erwin Tulfo: pinag-aaralan, how do we

1257
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,580
Senator Erwin Tulfo: dispose them kung hindi

1258
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:12,420
Senator Erwin Tulfo: natin ma-reuse? Because I was

1259
01:22:12,420 --> 01:22:14,280
Senator Erwin Tulfo: just talking to some Japanese

1260
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:15,860
Senator Erwin Tulfo: legislators kanina

1261
01:22:15,860 --> 01:22:18,360
Senator Erwin Tulfo: and he is assigned with

1262
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,220
Senator Erwin Tulfo: the Committee on Energy nila

1263
01:22:20,220 --> 01:22:21,980
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa Senate. And ito po yung

1264
01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:23,500
Senator Erwin Tulfo: pinag-aaralan ng Senate nila,

1265
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,820
Senator Erwin Tulfo: how to dispose them properly?

1266
01:22:25,820 --> 01:22:27,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kasi nga may life,

1267
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,300
Senator Erwin Tulfo: time lang po eh. Hindi naman daw po ito

1268
01:22:29,300 --> 01:22:31,160
Senator Erwin Tulfo: basta-basta ibabaon lang sa lupa

1269
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:32,700
Senator Erwin Tulfo: o itapon lang.

1270
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,220
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kaya they're looking for ways.

1271
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:37,300
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Are we doing that now? Are we studying?

1272
01:22:37,460 --> 01:22:39,240
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Paano pag 25 years

1273
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:40,760
Senator Erwin Tulfo: tapos na ito, kailangan ko na palitan,

1274
01:22:40,860 --> 01:22:43,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: itapon ito. Tatapon lang ba ito?

1275
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:45,260
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ibabaon? Pinag-aaralan nyo na

1276
01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:47,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: at this point, how you will,

1277
01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:49,300
Senator Erwin Tulfo: how we will dispose all of

1278
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:51,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: this solar panels, ma'am?

1279
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:52,880
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Thank you for that question.

1280
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,120
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Meron po tayong Renewable Energy

1281
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,080
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Trust Fund wherein we fund

1282
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,260
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: studies. May dalawa pong

1283
01:22:59,260 --> 01:23:01,460
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: universities na mag-uumpisang mag-aral

1284
01:23:01,460 --> 01:23:03,280
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: po niyan sometime before the

1285
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,420
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: end of the year po. Tamang-tama,

1286
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,240
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: 2015 kasi po tayo nag-start

1287
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,180
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: ng solar. Ay mga lifetime

1288
01:23:09,180 --> 01:23:10,760
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: ng mga yan, 15 to 20.

1289
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:13,600
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: So by 2030, in place na po yung technologies

1290
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,220
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: na gagamitin natin for

1291
01:23:15,220 --> 01:23:17,120
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: sometimes yung ibang parts kasi

1292
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,120
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: pwedeng i-reuse. Yung ibang

1293
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,320
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: parts pwedeng i-recycle. Tapos

1294
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,320
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: yung ibang parts, you have to do something

1295
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:24,940
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: else to change the form po.

1296
01:23:26,180 --> 01:23:27,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung something,

1297
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,580
Senator Erwin Tulfo: something else, anong gagawin doon?

1298
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung reuse, okay po tayo.

1299
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,960
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung ika nga, recycle. Pero

1300
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung other parts na hindi mo pwedeng i-reuse,

1301
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:36,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: i-recycle, ano po mangyayari?

1302
01:23:36,860 --> 01:23:39,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Hindi naman natin pwedeng ibaon sa lupa

1303
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:39,920
Senator Erwin Tulfo: o i-tapon.

1304
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,160
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: Ang gagawin po

1305
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,900
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: doon sa dalawang studies ay

1306
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:44,540
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: ang tawag nila green

1307
01:23:44,540 --> 01:23:46,880
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: processing. Ipa-process po

1308
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:48,760
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: para ma-extract yung mga

1309
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,840
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: iba't ibang chemicals

1310
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:52,700
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: na present doon sa hindi

1311
01:23:52,700 --> 01:23:54,540
DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara: ma-recycle at hindi ma-reuse.

1312
01:23:54,540 --> 01:23:55,940
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Alright, thank you Yusef.

1313
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,000
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I'll direct my question now to

1314
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,800
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Secretary Garin. Secretary,

1315
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,400
Senator Erwin Tulfo: the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company

1316
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,200
Senator Erwin Tulfo: is

1317
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,700
Senator Erwin Tulfo: and na-mention ko

1318
01:24:07,700 --> 01:24:09,160
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ito sa last hearing po natin,

1319
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: is really volunteering to

1320
01:24:11,180 --> 01:24:13,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: put up storage facilities.

1321
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:14,480
Senator Erwin Tulfo: As a matter of fact,

1322
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa three main islands natin, isa sa

1323
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,000
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Luzon, isa sa Visayas,

1324
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa Mindanao, ang kailangan

1325
01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:23,320
Senator Erwin Tulfo: lang nila po sa atin ay yung lupa

1326
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,800
Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung saan sila maglalagay.

1327
01:24:25,300 --> 01:24:26,920
Senator Erwin Tulfo: And I was talking to them initially,

1328
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,760
Senator Erwin Tulfo: they're saying they can put up like about

1329
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,720
Senator Erwin Tulfo: 50 million

1330
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,340
Senator Erwin Tulfo: barrels

1331
01:24:33,340 --> 01:24:35,300
Senator Erwin Tulfo: dito po storage

1332
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:36,260
Senator Erwin Tulfo: per area.

1333
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,820
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ang lupa, alam po kailangan, pero

1334
01:24:38,820 --> 01:24:41,200
Senator Erwin Tulfo: they will pay for all of it, construction,

1335
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: pati po yung paglalagay ng laman.

1336
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:45,280
Senator Erwin Tulfo: And then sabi ko, what do we

1337
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:46,680
Senator Erwin Tulfo: get out of that? Sabi nila,

1338
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,580
Senator Erwin Tulfo: well, you will be, kung magkakaproblema

1339
01:24:49,580 --> 01:24:51,020
Senator Erwin Tulfo: man sa mga oil, kagaya nang

1340
01:24:51,020 --> 01:24:52,720
Senator Erwin Tulfo: nangyari ngayon, kayo ang unang

1341
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,280
Senator Erwin Tulfo: makikinabang because nandyan sa lugar

1342
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,060
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ninyo, it's a storage facility.

1343
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:58,900
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kung 50 million

1344
01:24:58,900 --> 01:25:00,360
Senator Erwin Tulfo: barrels, actually,

1345
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:03,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: that's about 150

1346
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:03,980
Senator Erwin Tulfo: million po

1347
01:25:03,980 --> 01:25:07,380
Senator Erwin Tulfo: storage. And we consume

1348
01:25:07,380 --> 01:25:08,900
Senator Erwin Tulfo: about 450,000

1349
01:25:08,900 --> 01:25:10,720
Senator Erwin Tulfo: barrels per day. So,

1350
01:25:10,900 --> 01:25:12,920
Senator Erwin Tulfo: madiyak malaki ho. And then

1351
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,980
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Saudi Arabia is also interested.

1352
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:16,960
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ano na ho nangyayari doon, ma'am?

1353
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair,

1354
01:25:19,580 --> 01:25:19,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes,

1355
01:25:20,940 --> 01:25:22,740
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: numerous yung

1356
01:25:22,740 --> 01:25:25,180
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: advantages of having our own

1357
01:25:25,180 --> 01:25:26,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserve or being a regional

1358
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserve also for

1359
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,240
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ASEAN or ASIA.

1360
01:25:31,180 --> 01:25:33,220
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: There are many advantages,

1361
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:35,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: not only for energy security, pero

1362
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: medyo protected tayo

1363
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:39,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sa mga inflation, sa mga

1364
01:25:39,340 --> 01:25:41,700
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: currency exchange na impact niyan.

1365
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:43,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: As to the

1366
01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: interest, we are not

1367
01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:47,560
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: lacking in interest in putting

1368
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,860
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: up the stockpiling

1369
01:25:49,860 --> 01:25:51,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: here. I'll have, if

1370
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: you,

1371
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:55,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sandy Salas, can answer the rest of the

1372
01:25:55,620 --> 01:25:56,180
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: question.

1373
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,460
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Yes, sir. Maraming

1374
01:25:59,460 --> 01:26:01,420
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang interesado. In fact,

1375
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:02,720
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang

1376
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,620
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: nag-meet po tayo with

1377
01:26:05,620 --> 01:26:07,580
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Adnok at saka si Saudi

1378
01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:09,520
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Aramco through the efforts din

1379
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:10,820
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng Japanese government

1380
01:26:10,820 --> 01:26:13,620
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na nagkaroon ng

1381
01:26:13,620 --> 01:26:15,680
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: separate meetings with Japan

1382
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,720
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sitting in as

1383
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,420
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: the third party.

1384
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,320
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, nakausap na natin ang

1385
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,340
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Saudi and the Saudi Aramco

1386
01:26:23,340 --> 01:26:25,740
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: for the second meeting kahapon lang po.

1387
01:26:25,740 --> 01:26:27,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Nire-iterate po nila.

1388
01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:29,460
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And then, in-schedule natin yung

1389
01:26:29,460 --> 01:26:31,600
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: second meeting with Adnok.

1390
01:26:32,220 --> 01:26:33,600
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Along the same lines, ang

1391
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,700
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: kanilang mga proposal na

1392
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:37,380
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: maglagay ng forward

1393
01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:39,740
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: storage. This will

1394
01:26:39,740 --> 01:26:41,580
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: be their commercial storage

1395
01:26:41,580 --> 01:26:43,840
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na mabibenta nila around the region

1396
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,380
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: and they will

1397
01:26:45,380 --> 01:26:46,960
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: spend for the

1398
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,420
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: setting up the facility

1399
01:26:49,420 --> 01:26:51,560
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: and yung produkto na

1400
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ilalagay sa mga tangke.

1401
01:26:53,260 --> 01:26:55,180
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: At ang ating

1402
01:26:55,180 --> 01:26:57,400
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: interest will be

1403
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,780
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: it gives us the flexibility

1404
01:26:59,780 --> 01:27:01,900
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: for how we handle

1405
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:03,820
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung ating National Strategic

1406
01:27:03,820 --> 01:27:05,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Petroleum Reserve

1407
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:07,880
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: because we could build alongside

1408
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,320
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: para makatipid sa

1409
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,600
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sarili nating tangke

1410
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,120
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: or we could just

1411
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,180
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: have arrangement with them

1412
01:27:15,180 --> 01:27:17,900
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: to have access sa product

1413
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:19,960
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: so hindi na tayo gagasto

1414
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:21,720
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa tangke mismo.

1415
01:27:22,220 --> 01:27:23,360
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Ang principal na

1416
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:24,720
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: trabaho natin,

1417
01:27:25,180 --> 01:27:27,300
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na ginagawa namin ngayon is

1418
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:29,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: i-scout yung available

1419
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,160
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na lupa. Kasi

1420
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: malaking lupa yung kailangan.

1421
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,460
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So normally, sa malalaking

1422
01:27:35,460 --> 01:27:37,040
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tank, baka 1 million

1423
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,060
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: barrels, mga 10 hectares po

1424
01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:41,040
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang kailangan because may mga

1425
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: safety

1426
01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:45,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: considerations, yung layo nila,

1427
01:27:45,580 --> 01:27:46,940
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: magkakanal sa gitna

1428
01:27:46,940 --> 01:27:48,900
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: between the tanks. So

1429
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:51,220
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: when you talk about that volume,

1430
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,340
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung 50 million, malaking

1431
01:27:53,340 --> 01:27:55,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: area po yun. But we can

1432
01:27:55,260 --> 01:27:56,860
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: assure the committee

1433
01:27:56,860 --> 01:27:59,120
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: that yung interest

1434
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: is very high and we are continually

1435
01:28:01,100 --> 01:28:01,940
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: engaging.

1436
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: As per yung direction natin

1437
01:28:07,260 --> 01:28:08,860
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ngayon, meron po ng

1438
01:28:08,860 --> 01:28:11,220
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: working group ang department,

1439
01:28:11,900 --> 01:28:13,560
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: DOE and PNOC,

1440
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:14,740
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: which eventually

1441
01:28:14,740 --> 01:28:17,380
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: will be the implementing arm

1442
01:28:17,380 --> 01:28:18,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: para sa ating

1443
01:28:18,260 --> 01:28:20,840
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: petroleum reserve. In fact,

1444
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,320
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: PNOC has already

1445
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,560
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: spearheaded

1446
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,020
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: even without pa itong

1447
01:28:27,020 --> 01:28:29,080
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mga agreements natin sa foreign

1448
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,360
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: crude oil suppliers,

1449
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: they are committing to build a 1 million

1450
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:35,300
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: barrel facility sa lupa

1451
01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:36,920
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: po nila sa Bataan,

1452
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,080
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: which strategically po

1453
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:40,960
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: e katabi ng refinery

1454
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,660
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa Bataan din.

1455
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So maganda yung strategic position.

1456
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,060
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: It was one of the points of

1457
01:28:47,060 --> 01:28:48,760
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: discussion po kahapon sa

1458
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,240
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Saudi Aramco about

1459
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,600
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: also using yung

1460
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,880
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: area ni PNOC.

1461
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:57,440
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Unfortunately,

1462
01:28:58,440 --> 01:28:59,400
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung interesting doon, pero

1463
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,040
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: for the big 50 million,

1464
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,220
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: maliit po yung lupa

1465
01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:06,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng PNOC kasi 150

1466
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:07,860
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: hectares lang

1467
01:29:07,860 --> 01:29:08,720
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang available.

1468
01:29:10,020 --> 01:29:11,700
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So if we just

1469
01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:14,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ballpark 50 million

1470
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,340
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: barrels, 10 hectares

1471
01:29:16,340 --> 01:29:18,020
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: per million barrels,

1472
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,160
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: 500 hectares po

1473
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:21,080
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: para sa

1474
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:22,020
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: 50 million.

1475
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,360
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Hindi naman po sila, in our

1476
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,520
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mind, not mutually exclusive

1477
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,780
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: kung gusto ni Saudi Aramco,

1478
01:29:30,460 --> 01:29:31,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pwede pa rin si

1479
01:29:31,260 --> 01:29:32,680
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Adnoc kasi ang

1480
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,300
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: initial vision naman nila is

1481
01:29:35,300 --> 01:29:37,340
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: commercial storage nila to sell

1482
01:29:37,340 --> 01:29:38,960
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: product. So

1483
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,760
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: these are not mutually

1484
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: exclusive for the two

1485
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:44,160
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: entities.

1486
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: My next question is,

1487
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: kailan ho kaya ito mangyayari? Because

1488
01:29:49,180 --> 01:29:50,480
Senator Erwin Tulfo: these people are

1489
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:52,700
Senator Erwin Tulfo: volunteering na, they're just waiting

1490
01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:55,360
Senator Erwin Tulfo: for us kung makapag-provide

1491
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:56,900
Senator Erwin Tulfo: po tayo ng land. Alam nyo naman

1492
01:29:56,900 --> 01:29:58,740
Senator Erwin Tulfo: siguro, ano yung

1493
01:29:58,740 --> 01:29:59,740
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ibig sabihin yan?

1494
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: meron tayong storage facilities

1495
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng mga Dubai

1496
01:30:03,540 --> 01:30:05,620
Senator Erwin Tulfo: dito ng Saudi Arabia,

1497
01:30:06,340 --> 01:30:07,580
Senator Erwin Tulfo: eh di na ho, magkagyera

1498
01:30:07,580 --> 01:30:09,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: man doon, magbombahan sa

1499
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:10,880
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Strait of Hormuz, sa

1500
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,440
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Arabian Sea, etc.

1501
01:30:13,180 --> 01:30:15,320
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Eh meron ho tayong, ikang nandyan

1502
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:16,940
Senator Erwin Tulfo: na sa ating lupa,

1503
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,760
Senator Erwin Tulfo: di na ho tayong mangangamba,

1504
01:30:19,220 --> 01:30:20,920
Senator Erwin Tulfo: matataranta si Secretary Garin

1505
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: pag meron namang gyera na makikiusap

1506
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: magpapalimos, eh meron na tayo

1507
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,560
Senator Erwin Tulfo: dito. And the assurance

1508
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,060
Senator Erwin Tulfo: from this government, like,

1509
01:30:29,060 --> 01:30:31,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: kayo yung una pagbibintahan namin.

1510
01:30:31,260 --> 01:30:32,560
Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, hindi tayo kakaba-kaba.

1511
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:35,200
Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, when do you think this will be possible,

1512
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:36,220
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yusef?

1513
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,980
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Yes, uh, una, sir,

1514
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,000
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung paghanap ng lupa, and we

1515
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,960
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: are actively, ang una namin

1516
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:44,860
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tinignan actually was somewhere in

1517
01:30:44,860 --> 01:30:46,840
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Northern Mindanao, but mukhang

1518
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: hindi makukuha ng Department of Energy.

1519
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:51,140
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, we have,

1520
01:30:51,300 --> 01:30:53,160
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: we're now looking at another

1521
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:54,740
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: area in Zamboanga,

1522
01:30:55,140 --> 01:30:56,940
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: much larger. So,

1523
01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,020
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pupuntahan na rin namin

1524
01:30:59,020 --> 01:31:00,940
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: jointly with the PNOC.

1525
01:31:01,340 --> 01:31:03,220
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: But ang agreement namin is

1526
01:31:03,220 --> 01:31:05,360
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: to fast-track, because meron po,

1527
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,600
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tama po kayo, may interested party.

1528
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:09,840
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, pina-fast-track namin

1529
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,120
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung identification at acquisition

1530
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:13,620
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng lupa, para

1531
01:31:13,620 --> 01:31:15,300
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mailagay po itong mga

1532
01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:17,400
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: strategic reserves

1533
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,020
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa bansa po natin.

1534
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Right, thank you. Let me now direct my next

1535
01:31:21,780 --> 01:31:23,860
Senator Erwin Tulfo: question, if you would please, Madam Chair.

1536
01:31:24,460 --> 01:31:25,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Uh, Attorney Juan.

1537
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:27,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sir, ang SAMELCO I,

1538
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:28,600
Senator Erwin Tulfo: dito sa Samar,

1539
01:31:29,020 --> 01:31:31,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: regarding the WESM,

1540
01:31:31,660 --> 01:31:32,680
Senator Erwin Tulfo: particular po yung

1541
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:36,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: exorbitant unjust pricing po.

1542
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:37,700
Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, what are you doing

1543
01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:39,960
Senator Erwin Tulfo: with this? Ito po yung nakarating na ho ba

1544
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:40,320
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa inyo?

1545
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:43,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Madam Chair,

1546
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yes po, nakarating sa atin.

1547
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Dalawa yung naging kadahilanan

1548
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ng mataas na

1549
01:31:48,220 --> 01:31:50,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: singilan sa WESM these past

1550
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:52,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: few months.

1551
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:55,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And for the case of Samelco

1552
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:55,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the other

1553
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Visayas distribution utilities,

1554
01:31:59,020 --> 01:32:01,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the past few years,

1555
01:32:01,060 --> 01:32:03,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: whenever there's the congestion

1556
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the interconnection lines,

1557
01:32:05,140 --> 01:32:07,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ito po yung line rental or yung

1558
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,100
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: line loss and congestion charge

1559
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:10,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: issue. And

1560
01:32:10,700 --> 01:32:13,160
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: more recently, because of

1561
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:14,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the yellow and red alerts

1562
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the Visayas and

1563
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:18,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Mindanao regions,

1564
01:32:19,260 --> 01:32:21,160
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the spike in WESM prices

1565
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that reached 18

1566
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:24,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pesos

1567
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for Mindanao, and

1568
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:28,860
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 19 pesos for

1569
01:32:28,860 --> 01:32:30,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Visayas. So,

1570
01:32:31,420 --> 01:32:32,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we've actually acted

1571
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: quickly in

1572
01:32:34,700 --> 01:32:37,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that case of

1573
01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:38,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the WESM spikes.

1574
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We directed

1575
01:32:41,060 --> 01:32:42,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the implementation

1576
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the secondary

1577
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:46,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: price cap by region

1578
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,420
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: instead of system-wide

1579
01:32:49,420 --> 01:32:51,100
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: so that we were

1580
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:53,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: able to temper WESM prices

1581
01:32:53,140 --> 01:32:55,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: from as high as 19 pesos

1582
01:32:55,300 --> 01:32:57,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: down to around 8 pesos

1583
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:58,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for Visayas.

1584
01:32:58,860 --> 01:33:00,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We've directed IEMOP

1585
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:02,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to recalculate

1586
01:33:02,500 --> 01:33:04,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the WESM clearing

1587
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: prices for the August billing, and

1588
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,380
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we intend to continue that

1589
01:33:08,380 --> 01:33:10,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for September since we

1590
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: anticipate that there'll still be some

1591
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: supply deficit happening

1592
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in September for the Visayas.

1593
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, para po matemper

1594
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:20,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung WESM prices.

1595
01:33:21,180 --> 01:33:23,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pagdating po dun sa line rentals

1596
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:24,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or bilateral line

1597
01:33:24,980 --> 01:33:26,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: loss and congestion charges,

1598
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we've issued the August 13th

1599
01:33:28,860 --> 01:33:30,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: order asking

1600
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: also IEMOP

1601
01:33:32,580 --> 01:33:34,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to recalculate the

1602
01:33:34,540 --> 01:33:36,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: line rentals and NSS

1603
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allocations. Pagka meron po

1604
01:33:38,940 --> 01:33:41,100
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kasing line rentals,

1605
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: meron din na

1606
01:33:43,140 --> 01:33:44,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kukompute

1607
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:46,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: na net settlement surplus,

1608
01:33:47,020 --> 01:33:48,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and supposedly this is

1609
01:33:48,440 --> 01:33:50,160
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: return flow back to the

1610
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: customers that paid

1611
01:33:52,220 --> 01:33:54,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: these higher

1612
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: line rentals in the proportion of

1613
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:58,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: their contribution. We've seen

1614
01:33:58,300 --> 01:33:59,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: some

1615
01:33:59,140 --> 01:34:02,820
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: inequity in the

1616
01:34:02,820 --> 01:34:04,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: way the system, the

1617
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:06,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: CRSS that is used in

1618
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: WESM, computes for

1619
01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:10,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the NSS allocation.

1620
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, with that recalculation and

1621
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,860
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the audit that will happen

1622
01:34:14,860 --> 01:34:16,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on the line rentals

1623
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: paid by the distribution

1624
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: utilities, particularly in the

1625
01:34:20,780 --> 01:34:23,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Visayas, we anticipate

1626
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that there'll be some distribution

1627
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: utilities, including Samelcoan,

1628
01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:28,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that may,

1629
01:34:28,300 --> 01:34:29,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: may be entitled

1630
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to a reduction

1631
01:34:31,460 --> 01:34:34,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or in this case, a refund

1632
01:34:34,260 --> 01:34:36,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for whatever they have

1633
01:34:36,220 --> 01:34:37,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: paid earlier to

1634
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:38,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: WESM.

1635
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,960
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Siguro, sir, ang unahong

1636
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ninyong basahin, silipin,

1637
01:34:44,980 --> 01:34:45,880
Senator Erwin Tulfo: i-check po yung

1638
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:47,900
Senator Erwin Tulfo: WESM. I'll tell you why later.

1639
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:49,800
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Pero my next question is,

1640
01:34:50,260 --> 01:34:51,560
Senator Erwin Tulfo: bakit po lumundag ang

1641
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,860
Senator Erwin Tulfo: LLCC, ito pong

1642
01:34:53,860 --> 01:34:55,900
Senator Erwin Tulfo: line loss and congestion cost

1643
01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:57,980
Senator Erwin Tulfo: noong July 2026,

1644
01:34:58,300 --> 01:35:00,840
Senator Erwin Tulfo: from P277

1645
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: million noong June,

1646
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:03,940
Senator Erwin Tulfo: in one month's time,

1647
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: 100% ang tinaas,

1648
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,380
Senator Erwin Tulfo: P277 million

1649
01:35:08,380 --> 01:35:10,640
Senator Erwin Tulfo: to P570 million in July?

1650
01:35:10,980 --> 01:35:12,260
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ano nangyari? I mean,

1651
01:35:12,740 --> 01:35:14,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ano yung line ba na yun?

1652
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,380
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Dinto ang dinaanan ng kuryente

1653
01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:18,800
Senator Erwin Tulfo: na kailangan 100%?

1654
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:20,320
Senator Erwin Tulfo: P277

1655
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,000
Senator Erwin Tulfo: to P570

1656
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: million July billing

1657
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:25,440
Senator Erwin Tulfo: in just 30 days,

1658
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:27,320
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chairman?

1659
01:35:28,300 --> 01:35:30,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yung pong line rental,

1660
01:35:30,440 --> 01:35:31,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: actually, hindi ito yung

1661
01:35:31,660 --> 01:35:33,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: bayad para doon sa

1662
01:35:33,220 --> 01:35:35,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: linya. This is just

1663
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the terminology that

1664
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: was initially used, but this was changed

1665
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,480
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to line loss and congestion charge.

1666
01:35:42,980 --> 01:35:43,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ang

1667
01:35:43,340 --> 01:35:44,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: impact po ng

1668
01:35:44,780 --> 01:35:47,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LLCC depends

1669
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:49,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on each customer,

1670
01:35:49,820 --> 01:35:51,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: where it is located, and where

1671
01:35:51,660 --> 01:35:53,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: it is sourcing its

1672
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:54,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: power bilaterally.

1673
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:57,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ang nangyayari po kasi,

1674
01:35:57,300 --> 01:35:58,100
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: since yung

1675
01:35:58,100 --> 01:36:00,160
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: WESM rules natin, provided for

1676
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:01,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: locational marginal pricing,

1677
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and this can be, you can

1678
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: research about locational marginal

1679
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:07,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pricing, ito yung gold standard

1680
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: nung mga energy

1681
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:11,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: markets all

1682
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:13,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: over the world,

1683
01:36:14,220 --> 01:36:16,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung locational marginal pricing.

1684
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:18,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Dahil po, like in the case

1685
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of Samelco, siguro po yan,

1686
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,420
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: meron siyang kakontrata

1687
01:36:22,420 --> 01:36:23,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: from another region.

1688
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:25,900
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yung region, halimbawa, ay

1689
01:36:25,900 --> 01:36:27,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: from Visayas,

1690
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:30,160
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: meron siyang kakontrata from Mindanao.

1691
01:36:30,820 --> 01:36:33,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Doon po sa locational marginal pricing,

1692
01:36:33,260 --> 01:36:35,160
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung po kakontrata niya in Mindanao,

1693
01:36:35,480 --> 01:36:36,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: iba yung

1694
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,020
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LMP niya, kaysa doon sa

1695
01:36:39,020 --> 01:36:40,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LMP where it is connected,

1696
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:42,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: o yung customer node.

1697
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yung pong line rental,

1698
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:47,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: nakocompute po yan,

1699
01:36:48,440 --> 01:36:48,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang

1700
01:36:48,740 --> 01:36:50,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: binagamit na konsiderasyon,

1701
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:52,520
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ay yung difference nung

1702
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LMP ng generator

1703
01:36:54,740 --> 01:36:56,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: node, at saka yung

1704
01:36:56,660 --> 01:36:57,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: LMP ng customer node.

1705
01:36:58,100 --> 01:37:00,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: At kung ganito nga po

1706
01:37:00,500 --> 01:37:02,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang sitwasyon ng isang distribution utility,

1707
01:37:03,420 --> 01:37:04,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: malaki yung

1708
01:37:04,460 --> 01:37:07,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ibabaya niya, kasi mas malaki

1709
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:08,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: na lumabas yung

1710
01:37:08,440 --> 01:37:11,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: locational marginal price niya,

1711
01:37:11,780 --> 01:37:12,860
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: at ito ang basis

1712
01:37:12,860 --> 01:37:14,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ng trading amount na

1713
01:37:14,700 --> 01:37:16,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: sisingilin sa kanya ng

1714
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:18,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: IEMOP or ng WESM operator.

1715
01:37:18,980 --> 01:37:20,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pero po, supposedly,

1716
01:37:20,620 --> 01:37:23,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kung ano man niyang kinolekta sa kanya,

1717
01:37:23,480 --> 01:37:24,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: hindi naman necessarily yun

1718
01:37:24,940 --> 01:37:26,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang ibabaya doon sa generator

1719
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:28,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: na kakontrata niya,

1720
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:29,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: which will be paid based on

1721
01:37:29,940 --> 01:37:31,380
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the generator LMP.

1722
01:37:31,780 --> 01:37:34,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Kung mas mababa yung generator LMP,

1723
01:37:34,420 --> 01:37:36,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: talagang magkakaroon at magkakaroon

1724
01:37:36,340 --> 01:37:38,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ng mas malaking

1725
01:37:38,060 --> 01:37:40,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: line rental na kukolektahin sa kanya,

1726
01:37:40,420 --> 01:37:41,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pero magkakaroon ito ng

1727
01:37:41,980 --> 01:37:43,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: surplus. At itong net settlement

1728
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:46,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: surplus na ito, dapat ay malaki

1729
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:48,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang balik sa kanya. Kaya lang,

1730
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:49,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: hindi po yun

1731
01:37:49,300 --> 01:37:51,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang nangyari

1732
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,480
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: doon sa kaso nung

1733
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:55,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: mga nakalipas na taon,

1734
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: na every time na nagkakaroon

1735
01:37:58,100 --> 01:38:00,100
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ng price separation, o ibig sabihin,

1736
01:38:00,620 --> 01:38:02,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: iba yung nagiging system

1737
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:03,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: marginal price sa Mindanao,

1738
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:05,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: iba yung system marginal price sa

1739
01:38:05,940 --> 01:38:07,820
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Visayas, hindi po ganun

1740
01:38:07,820 --> 01:38:09,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang naging NSS

1741
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:11,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allocation as intended sana

1742
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,020
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: based on our rules.

1743
01:38:13,780 --> 01:38:15,980
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Alright, Mr. Chair. Let's move

1744
01:38:15,980 --> 01:38:18,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: on now. How many

1745
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,020
Senator Erwin Tulfo: percent itong mga

1746
01:38:20,020 --> 01:38:21,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: power generators natin,

1747
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,560
Senator Erwin Tulfo: power generation companies,

1748
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ilang percent po ang gumagamit

1749
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:27,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa kanila ng coal?

1750
01:38:27,180 --> 01:38:28,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: How many?

1751
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:30,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: How many percent using coal?

1752
01:38:30,460 --> 01:38:31,840
Senator Erwin Tulfo: And how many percent using

1753
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,400
Senator Erwin Tulfo: bunker fuel? How many percent

1754
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,240
Senator Erwin Tulfo: gumagamit na renewable energy?

1755
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:37,960
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Do you have the breakdown,

1756
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:38,800
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chair?

1757
01:38:58,100 --> 01:39:10,100
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I don't know.

1758
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:12,180
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I'm just following. Were you asking for a specific

1759
01:39:12,180 --> 01:39:13,540
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: area? Is that in an area?

1760
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,840
Senator Erwin Tulfo: No, ma'am. Actually, in

1761
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,320
Senator Erwin Tulfo: general, Madam Chair.

1762
01:39:17,540 --> 01:39:20,160
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I can answer it 62 and 25.

1763
01:39:20,660 --> 01:39:21,480
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: O ba't ikalap niyo pa?

1764
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,800
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Okay. Yeah. Well,

1765
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,200
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I appreciate that, Madam Chair.

1766
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kaya ako po natanong, Madam Chair,

1767
01:39:28,100 --> 01:39:30,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: is that may problema

1768
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:32,420
Senator Erwin Tulfo: tayo. Meron po akong natalisod.

1769
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:34,200
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I don't know

1770
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:36,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung nakita rin ng ERC

1771
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:37,420
Senator Erwin Tulfo: o ng DOE ang problema.

1772
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:39,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Problema po natin pala, nasa

1773
01:39:39,780 --> 01:39:41,800
Senator Erwin Tulfo: WESM, if I'm not mistaken.

1774
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa WESM po, correct me

1775
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:45,900
Senator Erwin Tulfo: if I'm wrong. Hindi po ba ang WESM ay parang

1776
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:47,720
Senator Erwin Tulfo: spot market po yan? Diyan tayo,

1777
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,740
Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung mga generation companies,

1778
01:39:49,820 --> 01:39:51,480
Senator Erwin Tulfo: diyan po bumibili ng power. Tama po.

1779
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Okay. 60 percent

1780
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ang karaniwang bumibili. 60 percent

1781
01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:58,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng kuryente natin are

1782
01:39:58,100 --> 01:39:59,920
Senator Erwin Tulfo: through coal.

1783
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:00,740
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Tama po ba?

1784
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:03,660
Senator Erwin Tulfo: 62 percent. Alright.

1785
01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:05,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Where do we get our coal,

1786
01:40:06,380 --> 01:40:07,400
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Madam Secretary?

1787
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:08,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair,

1788
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:10,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: our coal is

1789
01:40:10,300 --> 01:40:12,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: more than 90 percent

1790
01:40:12,460 --> 01:40:14,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of that comes from Indonesia.

1791
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:16,360
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Madam Chair. What about

1792
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:18,280
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Semirara? Hindi po ba

1793
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:20,160
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Semirara also produces coal?

1794
01:40:20,540 --> 01:40:22,220
Senator Erwin Tulfo: And then Semirara even

1795
01:40:22,220 --> 01:40:24,620
Senator Erwin Tulfo: exports coal. Bakit

1796
01:40:24,620 --> 01:40:26,420
Senator Erwin Tulfo: nage-export ang Semirara?

1797
01:40:26,580 --> 01:40:27,900
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I mean, I don't see the logic.

1798
01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:29,960
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Nage-export itong Filipino

1799
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:31,940
Senator Erwin Tulfo: company na ito sa abroad.

1800
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,060
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bakit hindi nila natin gamitin

1801
01:40:34,060 --> 01:40:36,200
Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung coal ng Semirara? Can it

1802
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: supply? My next question to you, Madam

1803
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:39,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Secretary, Attorney Juan.

1804
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,060
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Can Semirara's production

1805
01:40:42,060 --> 01:40:44,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: fulfill the needs

1806
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:46,140
Senator Erwin Tulfo: or the need of the

1807
01:40:46,140 --> 01:40:47,940
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Filipino generation

1808
01:40:47,940 --> 01:40:50,280
Senator Erwin Tulfo: companies? Can it fulfill?

1809
01:40:51,700 --> 01:40:52,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair,

1810
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:54,100
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Semirara, kung uubusin

1811
01:40:54,700 --> 01:40:56,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: siyang gagamitin sa Pilipinas,

1812
01:40:56,340 --> 01:40:57,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think it can only,

1813
01:40:58,100 --> 01:40:59,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: supply around 10 percent

1814
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and konti lang.

1815
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:03,740
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Hindi siya ganun

1816
01:41:03,740 --> 01:41:06,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi marami tayong

1817
01:41:06,020 --> 01:41:06,740
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: coal plants.

1818
01:41:08,260 --> 01:41:09,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Can it be used

1819
01:41:09,900 --> 01:41:12,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in our coal plants?

1820
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:16,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It depends on the coal

1821
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: plant, pero generally

1822
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:20,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ang design ng ating

1823
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,180
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: mga, lalo ng mga lumang

1824
01:41:22,180 --> 01:41:24,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: coal plants are designed for, let's say,

1825
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:26,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Indonesian kind of

1826
01:41:26,260 --> 01:41:27,560
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: coal. Now,

1827
01:41:28,100 --> 01:41:29,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we're trying to study that,

1828
01:41:30,300 --> 01:41:32,100
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair. That's why

1829
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:33,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we've been discussing

1830
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: about having a terminal or a

1831
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,220
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: blending, coal blending facility

1832
01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:40,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: here. Kasi pwede mo siya imix

1833
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ang Philippine coal

1834
01:41:42,540 --> 01:41:43,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with something else para

1835
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:46,100
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: parang maging Indonesian type of

1836
01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:48,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: coal na rin siya. So that's what we're

1837
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: exploring now. Para hindi tayo

1838
01:41:49,620 --> 01:41:51,980
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: learning from this din, Madam Chair,

1839
01:41:52,100 --> 01:41:54,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: about what happened this past few

1840
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: months about our lack

1841
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:57,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of energy security and fuel.

1842
01:41:58,100 --> 01:41:59,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So we're trying to build that up,

1843
01:42:00,060 --> 01:42:01,860
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: looking for areas na rin kung saan siya

1844
01:42:01,860 --> 01:42:04,240
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ilalagay and getting some investors in.

1845
01:42:04,620 --> 01:42:06,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Pero yes, that's why

1846
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:07,980
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I'm sorry, but that's why

1847
01:42:07,980 --> 01:42:10,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes, I do agree na dapat yung coal

1848
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:12,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: natin as much as possible

1849
01:42:12,260 --> 01:42:13,780
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we use it domestically.

1850
01:42:14,300 --> 01:42:16,240
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you, Secretary.

1851
01:42:17,420 --> 01:42:18,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I don't

1852
01:42:18,180 --> 01:42:20,020
Senator Erwin Tulfo: know if Secretary Juan can answer

1853
01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:22,360
Senator Erwin Tulfo: this. Sir, magkano po ang coal

1854
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:23,940
Senator Erwin Tulfo: na galing po sa Indonesia?

1855
01:42:24,380 --> 01:42:26,260
Senator Erwin Tulfo: How much do they purchase it?

1856
01:42:26,260 --> 01:42:27,800
Senator Erwin Tulfo: How much does it cost?

1857
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:30,260
Senator Erwin Tulfo: How much po ang landed cost dito

1858
01:42:30,260 --> 01:42:31,360
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa ating bayan?

1859
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:34,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, we'll check

1860
01:42:34,340 --> 01:42:35,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with our... Sandy, do you have it

1861
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in your... Go ahead po, Yusek Salas.

1862
01:42:38,380 --> 01:42:39,800
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Just from the...

1863
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,240
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Normally,

1864
01:42:42,580 --> 01:42:44,080
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: okay, two types po.

1865
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:46,540
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, ang gamit po

1866
01:42:46,540 --> 01:42:48,180
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: natin, yung ginagamit po ng karamihan

1867
01:42:48,180 --> 01:42:49,980
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng pricing po will be

1868
01:42:49,980 --> 01:42:51,760
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: normally $60

1869
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,240
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pero FOB sa

1870
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:55,510
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Kalimantan.

1871
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:56,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: $16 po?

1872
01:42:57,020 --> 01:42:57,380
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: $60.

1873
01:42:58,100 --> 01:43:00,420
Senator Erwin Tulfo: $60 ang coal po natin

1874
01:43:00,420 --> 01:43:02,820
Senator Erwin Tulfo: per metric ton.

1875
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:05,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: 60 US

1876
01:43:05,180 --> 01:43:05,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: dots.

1877
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:07,440
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kung i-divide nyo po yan

1878
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:09,680
Senator Erwin Tulfo: through kilowatt hour, ilan po yan?

1879
01:43:10,940 --> 01:43:11,480
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I want you to

1880
01:43:11,480 --> 01:43:13,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: divide it in kilowatt hour

1881
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,640
Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung 60 metric ton. Kasi po,

1882
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:17,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung i-divide mo yan sa pesos,

1883
01:43:17,740 --> 01:43:18,860
Senator Erwin Tulfo: correct me if I'm wrong,

1884
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,480
Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung may mga mathematicians po tayo dito,

1885
01:43:22,140 --> 01:43:23,620
Senator Erwin Tulfo: it will run to around

1886
01:43:23,620 --> 01:43:25,420
Senator Erwin Tulfo: 4 to 5 pesos per

1887
01:43:25,420 --> 01:43:27,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: kilowatt hour. Landed

1888
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,160
Senator Erwin Tulfo: cost po natin, shipping,

1889
01:43:29,820 --> 01:43:31,920
Senator Erwin Tulfo: taxes, etc. Kung anuman po yan.

1890
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:33,580
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sabihin na natin, maximum

1891
01:43:33,580 --> 01:43:35,560
Senator Erwin Tulfo: is 8 pesos per kilowatt hour.

1892
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:37,280
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Lagi patong pa

1893
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:39,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng kumpanya, yung kanyang

1894
01:43:39,540 --> 01:43:41,420
Senator Erwin Tulfo: tubo dyan, aabot po siya ng

1895
01:43:41,420 --> 01:43:43,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: 10 pesos per kilowatt hour.

1896
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,200
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ngayon, ang tanong ko po, sir,

1897
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:47,300
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa WESM naman tayo,

1898
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,440
Senator Erwin Tulfo: bakit pag tumaas po

1899
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:51,440
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ang banker fuel

1900
01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:53,160
Senator Erwin Tulfo: nung nagkagyera sa

1901
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:54,760
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Middle East,

1902
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:56,640
Senator Erwin Tulfo: tumaas din ang

1903
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ang coal? Eh dapat hindi po,

1904
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:01,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: diba? Because it came from Indonesia.

1905
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Hindi naman po kasamang Indonesia

1906
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,260
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa gera. Ang pinag-uusapan

1907
01:44:05,260 --> 01:44:07,020
Senator Erwin Tulfo: natin is Middle East. Sige,

1908
01:44:07,140 --> 01:44:09,420
Senator Erwin Tulfo: banker fuel, diesel, etc.

1909
01:44:09,660 --> 01:44:11,460
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Dandong galing, straight of

1910
01:44:11,460 --> 01:44:13,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Hormuz. But this is coming

1911
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:14,740
Senator Erwin Tulfo: from Indonesia, sir. Bakit?

1912
01:44:15,300 --> 01:44:16,500
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Pag binenta rito,

1913
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: tumaas ng 32 yata. At one point,

1914
01:44:19,260 --> 01:44:21,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: tumabot pa ng 32. Pati

1915
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:23,300
Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung coal natin, tumabot ng 32

1916
01:44:23,300 --> 01:44:25,060
Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung galing sa Indonesia. Correct me

1917
01:44:25,060 --> 01:44:25,840
Senator Erwin Tulfo: if I'm wrong, sir.

1918
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:28,840
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa time, pumantay sila eh.

1919
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Eh hindi naman po mas mura ang coal

1920
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:32,460
Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa banker fuel,

1921
01:44:32,780 --> 01:44:33,500
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yusek.

1922
01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:36,760
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Tama po kayo. Ang effect dun sa coal

1923
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:38,800
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: was mainly sa shipping cost.

1924
01:44:39,860 --> 01:44:41,020
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, kasi

1925
01:44:41,020 --> 01:44:42,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tumaas yung diesel,

1926
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,940
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: so yung shipping cost, yun ang main effect.

1927
01:44:45,220 --> 01:44:46,880
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero hindi ganun kalaki

1928
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,080
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: dahil maliit na portion

1929
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,220
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: yung shipping cost. So nakikita

1930
01:44:51,220 --> 01:44:53,220
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: natin, yung mga ini-import dati,

1931
01:44:53,820 --> 01:44:55,360
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang FOB nila

1932
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:56,600
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: a little below.

1933
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:58,140
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: 60 US dollars

1934
01:44:58,140 --> 01:44:59,940
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: per metric ton.

1935
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:09,680
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Ito po yung karamihan na quality ng coal na ginagamit natin, which is 4,200 kilocalories per ton.

1936
01:45:11,060 --> 01:45:19,240
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, nung nagkaroon ng gera, yung FOB pricing almost remains the same, nasa low 60s.

1937
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:24,400
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero ang landed cost, nadagdagan lang po doon sa shipping cost.

1938
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:38,560
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And kung titignan nga, historically, ang component ng fuel sa isang coal thermal plant is mga 3 to 4 pesos, pero fuel component lang po yun.

1939
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:52,240
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Sa mga coal-fired plants, normally, baka 40% of running or generating yung kuryente galing sa fuel, kasi mataas po ang maintenance cost ng mga coal plants.

1940
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:53,920
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, tama po.

1941
01:45:53,920 --> 01:46:10,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, pwedeng umabot yung binibentang kuryente ng coal plant, depende sa condition, time of the year, pwedeng umabot ng 7 pesos, 8 pesos, pero ang fuel component noon, yung coal, mga 3 to 4 pesos lang.

1942
01:46:10,460 --> 01:46:17,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Who monitors this, sir? Yung mga pricing neto, yung mga mix neto? Is it ERC? Is it DOE? Who monitors it?

1943
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:22,540
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: If it's the price of electricity, that would be ERC.

1944
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:23,400
Senator Erwin Tulfo: ERC.

1945
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:30,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sir, how often do you check dito sa WESM? Kasi parang palengke ito, correct me if I'm wrong, di po ba ang WESM is like palengke?

1946
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:40,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Iikot si generator, maghahanap doon sino may pinakamurang coal dito na binibenta. Di po ba? So, tama po ba yun yung explanation sa akin?

1947
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Madam Chair, it's for parang stock exchange.

1948
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:51,520
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Exactly, ma'am. So, my point is, bakit hindi maghanap si generator ng mas mura? Ito mas mura dito, di ba?

1949
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:58,060
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa stock market naman, baligtad. Yung I mean, mura, di ba? Tapos alam mo na it will go up.

1950
01:46:58,460 --> 01:47:03,980
Senator Erwin Tulfo: The question is, hindi po ba natin na mamonitor yan na mas mura? Kasi doon na lang po kagad question mark eh.

1951
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:10,980
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bakit itong coal is very, very cheap, itong banker mahal, pero pumapantay po siya?

1952
01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:20,720
Senator Erwin Tulfo: E doon po tayo kaya sinasabi natin, and I found out yesterday, and I'm still doing my research right now, na kaya pala tayo,

1953
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:30,460
Senator Erwin Tulfo: eh, we have the most expensive electricity rate in Southeast Asia because pumapayag tayo na yung coal,

1954
01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:38,740
Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung titignan mo 3 pesos per kilowatt hour, 6 pesos, hindi na nating 10 pesos per kilowatt hour, pero pumapayag tayo ng sobra.

1955
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:48,460
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I'll give you an example also, sir. Bakit sa Visayas, Mindanao, 1859 per kilowatt hour.

1956
01:47:48,460 --> 01:47:50,460
Senator Erwin Tulfo: This is, we assume this is coal.

1957
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:58,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Powered plant. Tama po ba? Itong 18.59 sa Visayas, 19.56 sa Mindanao?

1958
01:48:00,900 --> 01:48:08,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ito po yung average na market clearing prices during this billing month of August.

1959
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:16,880
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bakit po sa Pampanga, sila doon, nasa 9 pesos lang po per kilowatt hour. Why is that?

1960
01:48:17,180 --> 01:48:20,000
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bakit po sa Visayas, Mindanao, napakamahal?

1961
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:20,560
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa Pampanga?

1962
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:27,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Pampanga, nasa 9 pesos. Dito sa Metro Manila, hindi ko na alam. Magkano po ba ang singil sa atin sa Metro Manila, sir, per kilowatt hour?

1963
01:48:29,260 --> 01:48:33,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Depende na po yan doon sa utility at kung saan kumukuha yung utility.

1964
01:48:34,740 --> 01:48:45,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, totoo po na nakita natin in August, yung lumabas nga na presyo market clearing sa Luzon is at around 4 pesos.

1965
01:48:45,540 --> 01:48:50,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And yet, doon sa Visayas and Mindanao, mabot ng 18.19.

1966
01:48:50,720 --> 01:49:00,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yun pong ating WESM, ito po, bukod doon sa prinsipyo ng locational marginal pricing, meron po tayo yung tinatawag na gross pool.

1967
01:49:00,540 --> 01:49:17,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ibig sabihin po, lahat ng generators obligado sila to offer yung kanilang available capacity sa WESM at kung ang offer nila ay papasok doon sa mga offers na makakasama sa dispatch schedule,

1968
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:20,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: depende kasi naman niya doon sa demand at that moment.

1969
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:27,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Sila ay makakasama sa dispatch o doon sa mga ipapatakbo ng SO na mga planta.

1970
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:37,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pero po ang bayaran sa kanila ay hindi base doon sa presyo necessarily na lalabas sa merkado dahil yung mga ibang generators dito ay contracted bilaterally.

1971
01:49:37,740 --> 01:49:50,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Kaya't yung kanilang naibentang or naisupply na kuryente during that interval, kung pwedeng ang presyo niyan ay yung kanilang bilateral contract with an off-taker and it will be settled.

1972
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:58,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: At pagdating naman po sa offers natin, wala po tayo yung nire-require na yung kanilang offer ay dapat base doon sa kanilang cost.

1973
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:13,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ito po ay kanilang desisyon na kung ano ang kanilang i-offer but normally in a competitive market, kung ikaw ay mag-offer at ang gusto mo ay makabawi ng at least yung marginal cost.

1974
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:19,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So mag-offer ka ng at least yung fuel and operating cost.

1975
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:30,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ay mabawi mo itong gagastusin mo kapag ka ikaw ay natawag at nag-generate ng kuryente, yung iyong capital cost maaaring hindi mo mabawi.

1976
01:50:30,180 --> 01:50:46,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pero during times naman na yung mag-clear na presyo ay mas mataas kaysa doon sa marginal cost mo at mas mataas kaysa dito na meron pang kasama na po pwedeng makarecover ka ng capital fee mo or cost mo, doon yung mga panahon na ikaw ay nakakarecover.

1977
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:50,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Kaya't meron po tayong mga ilang coal plants na maaaring ang kanilang...

1978
01:50:50,720 --> 01:51:08,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Ang presyo during the time na sila ay nakasama doon sa dispatch schedule ay mas mataas kaysa doon sa kanilang all-in na presyo nasa 6 o 7 dahil ang nag-clear na presyo ay mas mataas dito, mabot ng 32 which is our primary cap in WESM.

1979
01:51:08,940 --> 01:51:18,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Pero hindi necessarily na yun ang ibabayad sa kanila dahil po maaaring sila naman as sa baseload plants, kakailanganin naman po nila ng kontrata.

1980
01:51:18,540 --> 01:51:29,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Nang sa ganon, masisiguro nila na lagi silang kinakailangan tumakbo dahil hindi naman po sila po pwede na magpatay sinde ng kanilang planta at ito naman po ang makakapekto sa operasyon nila.

1981
01:51:29,660 --> 01:51:37,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Kaya't sisiguruhin nila na sila ay lagi makakasama doon sa dispatch dahil sila ay meron mga kontrata rin na kailangan servisyohan po.

1982
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:42,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Tama po kayo pero will you agree with me na this is all market driven?

1983
01:51:43,540 --> 01:51:47,220
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kung ano kasi the demand is great?

1984
01:51:47,420 --> 01:51:48,400
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Talagang tumakbo.

1985
01:51:48,540 --> 01:52:03,920
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Maski hindi naman po kinakailangan, wala pong iniwan. Parang po karne ng manok, karne ng baboy. May African swine fever isang lugar pero kailangan mo magdala doon dahil walang supply ng baboy so tataas ang baboy when in fact it's not supposed to.

1986
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:13,940
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Or isang lugar na galunggong is so mura dahil walang supply ng galunggong pero may dumating na galunggong so tataas yung presyo because the demand is great.

1987
01:52:13,940 --> 01:52:31,980
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung po yung sinasabi ko Chairperson Juan and Madam Secretary, we have to check itong WESM. So po pwede ho eh kung titignan ho natin, pag-aralan lang ho siguro ninyo, take time na pag-aralan ho itong po ang problema natin sa generation, hindi po sa distribution.

1988
01:52:31,980 --> 01:52:51,540
Senator Erwin Tulfo: It's not Meralco, it's not Samelco, it's not the cooperative but the generator yung nagpo-produce ng kuryente para for distribution. Doon po ang problema because sobrang sipa ng presyo kagaya po niyan, full siya but then again parang banker fuel ang presyo niya.

1989
01:52:51,540 --> 01:53:00,700
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sa sabihin po, barko. Kailangan pumantay dahil doon sa fuel ng barko kaya sobrang taas. Masyado pong exorbitant.

1990
01:53:00,700 --> 01:53:30,260
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I think once in a while you have to look into this siguro Atty. Juan kasi parang ang kawaba po dito yung mga tao. Kailangan lang po nalaga natin, imonitor siguro Atty. Juan para ikang pag-alam ng WESM na minomonitor sila, chinecheck sila, then siyempre magdadahan-dahan kasi po kailangan po natin ang goal po natin lahat tayo dito, si Chairperson Pia, si Senate President, we're all looking for ways.

1991
01:53:30,260 --> 01:53:47,960
Senator Erwin Tulfo: How to bring our electricity rate down. Lahat naman po tayo kasi tayo po pinakamahal sa Southeast Asia. I mean meron naman pa lang, meron pong pamamaraan. I know there's a way. If we just look, we just do natin simulan sa power generation.

1992
01:53:48,140 --> 01:53:57,900
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Huwag po natin sisihin ang Meralco, huwag po natin sisihin itong mga electric cooperatives dahil bumibili lang po sila ng power. Yung po nagma-manufacture. Doon po yun eh.

1993
01:53:57,900 --> 01:54:26,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kasi 4 pesos, 5 pesos versus bunker fuel. I understand what Secretary Garin is saying. Noong nagkagira, tataas talaga pero coal galing ng Jakarta, coal galing ng Semirara dyan sa Antique. Why don't we use all this para po bumaba yung presyo natin? Siguro we can do something about it. That's all for me for now, Chairperson Pia. Thank you for your forgiveness.

1994
01:54:26,780 --> 01:54:45,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I understand because the WESM is really unusually high now. We anticipated that also. Ang problema kasi talaga, it's unregulated ang generation. So maybe once we revisit the EPIRA, we have to do something about it.

1995
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:55,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But for now, Madam Chair, when the war happened, we did an intervention because of the emergency powers. We had a mandate. Nag-suspend kami ng market.

1996
01:54:56,780 --> 01:55:19,140
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Para yung mauna yung mga mas mura mabenta. So we've been studying this. Actually, we just had a meeting yesterday na rin kung ano pang pwedeng intervention. But good enough, ERC already issued a price cap. So from 18 magiging 11 na lang yata siya. Magiging 8 pesos.

1997
01:55:19,140 --> 01:55:26,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But still, the abuse of the market should not. Because these are public service.

1998
01:55:26,780 --> 01:55:45,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So in fact, hindi lang coal, Madam Chairman, kundi pati hydro, naging mahal na rin because they know there's lack of supply. So they can sell whatever they sell. So medyo may abuse rin. And we're checking what are the recourse na pwede natin gawin to put discipline in the market also.

1999
01:55:45,380 --> 01:55:55,360
Senator Erwin Tulfo: May pahabol ako, Madam Chairperson. Thank you po, Attorney Juan, for doing that. It's ika nga kahit papaano, you're looking for ways right now para matulungan po ang kababayan natin.

2000
01:55:56,780 --> 01:56:23,660
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kasi yung mga arawan po ng mga kababayan natin, minimum wage below minimum wage. Parang hirap po magbayad ng kuryente. And kuryente should not be. It is already a necessity, hindi po luxury. Siguro noong dekada 80, noong college tayo, Secretary Garin, luxury ang kuryente. Pero ngayon po, it's a necessity. Kahit na po yung nakatira sa barong-barong, kailangan niya ng kuryente. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you po.

2001
01:56:23,660 --> 01:56:26,000
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you.

2002
01:56:26,780 --> 01:56:34,300
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Chairman, Senator Erwin Tulfo. And now we'll give the floor to our Senate President. Are you ready for your questions? Okay.

2003
01:56:34,300 --> 01:56:56,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Sundan ko lang po yung sinabi ni mga tanong ni Chairman Erwin Tulfo. Tama po siya, no? Dahil pag titignan po natin in WESM rates from July 26 to August, no?

2004
01:56:56,780 --> 01:57:20,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ang Luzon is only 4.80 pesos. Ang Visayas is 18 pesos. 18.59 pesos. And Mindanao is 19.56. So kung saan pa mataas ang poverty rates natin, sila pa yung nagbabayad ng pinakamataas na presyo ng kuryente. Paano nagkaganon?

2005
01:57:20,700 --> 01:57:36,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Obviously, shortage ng power. Kaya tumataas. Pero inimbestigahan ba natin kung sinasadyang nagkakaroon ng shortage? Dahil ang layo naman ng discrepancy from 4 pesos to 19 pesos.

2006
01:57:36,820 --> 01:57:41,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And ito yung actually tanong ko.

2007
01:57:50,700 --> 01:58:16,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: In fact, in the last six months, 96 yellow alerts and 33 red alerts sa Visayas. This is Visayas lang alone.

2008
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And paano nagkaganon?

2009
01:58:20,700 --> 01:58:22,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yes, go ahead, Sekretary.

2010
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:36,280
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sir Senate President, first off, there are currently one, two, three, six plants that are down that are related to this.

2011
01:58:36,820 --> 01:58:48,280
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Ang Indalao, medyo naayos na siya. Pero as of today, TVI unit is still down at 169.

2012
01:58:50,700 --> 01:58:52,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sa Ilo, 150 megawatt.

2013
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: SEDC sa Cebu is 82.

2014
01:58:55,120 --> 01:59:02,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Tapos sa Mindanao, meron tayong tatlong units, TSI 150, GNPK 103, and TSI 150.

2015
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:04,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Why are these relevant?

2016
01:59:04,940 --> 01:59:10,740
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Kasi nag-i-import ang, first off, kulang si Visayas. In general, kulang siya.

2017
01:59:11,700 --> 01:59:14,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Walang enough base load sa Visayas.

2018
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:20,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So what does it do? It imports 450 megawatts from Mindanao and then 250 from...

2019
01:59:20,700 --> 01:59:25,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So now, nag-down itong mga Mindanao na planta.

2020
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:29,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So wala na siya mapapadala. So kumulang siya.

2021
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:37,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So ginawa ng system operator natin, nag-red and yellow alert siya.

2022
01:59:37,700 --> 01:59:41,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And it continues until these plants are back on.

2023
01:59:41,180 --> 01:59:43,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So it's really the lack of supply.

2024
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:45,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Two things, no?

2025
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:50,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Obviously, yung presyo sumisipa sa market because court.

2026
01:59:50,700 --> 01:59:53,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kulang ng supply. It's a supply issue.

2027
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:58,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pero meron rin tayong, sa ERC, meron na rin na promulgate before.

2028
01:59:58,900 --> 01:59:59,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yung mga...

2029
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reliability index ng planta.

2030
02:00:01,980 --> 02:00:03,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi time and memorial na itong

2031
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:05,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: problema natin sa

2032
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:07,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reliability ng planta.

2033
02:00:07,860 --> 02:00:08,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We can just say,

2034
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:11,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ito nangyari na ito in the past rin.

2035
02:00:11,660 --> 02:00:13,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We cannot just say na pumalian planta,

2036
02:00:14,020 --> 02:00:15,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nag-force outage.

2037
02:00:15,780 --> 02:00:17,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: They have to maintain their plants.

2038
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:20,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And ERC,

2039
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:21,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron na rin mga resolutions

2040
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:22,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: in the past.

2041
02:00:23,340 --> 02:00:25,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Even though deregulated ang

2042
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:28,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: generation, alam naman natin deregulated

2043
02:00:28,100 --> 02:00:29,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yan. But we cannot rely

2044
02:00:29,860 --> 02:00:31,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: so much on them

2045
02:00:31,700 --> 02:00:33,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: maintaining

2046
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:34,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the plants

2047
02:00:34,700 --> 02:00:37,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: regularly.

2048
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:40,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Because

2049
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:41,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kung ganitong nagkakaroon ng

2050
02:00:41,820 --> 02:00:44,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: outage, force outage,

2051
02:00:44,620 --> 02:00:45,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tayo naman lahat ang

2052
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:47,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tinatamaan dito.

2053
02:00:48,040 --> 02:00:49,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Naimbestigahan ba kung meron, number one,

2054
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:51,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: may anti-competitive

2055
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:53,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: behavior, meron bang collusion,

2056
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron bang gaming the system.

2057
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then number two,

2058
02:00:58,100 --> 02:00:59,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: napag-aralan ba kung nami-maintain

2059
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:01,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung planta nila? Is it within the

2060
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:03,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reliability index?

2061
02:01:03,540 --> 02:01:05,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We have to compel these plants to maintain

2062
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:06,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: their plants. Dahil

2063
02:01:06,900 --> 02:01:08,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: wala ka nang...

2064
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:11,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yan, tanong ng ating mga kababayan, Senator Erwin.

2065
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:14,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Wala nang ang kuryente. 19 pesos pa yung binabayaran.

2066
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:17,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sir Chair,

2067
02:01:17,980 --> 02:01:21,280
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the plants,

2068
02:01:21,580 --> 02:01:23,280
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ang mga planta na ito, inisa-isa

2069
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:25,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na talaga, the Joint Task Force of

2070
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:27,220
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOE and ERC,

2071
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:29,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: they're going around

2072
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:31,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nasa mga planta,

2073
02:01:31,740 --> 02:01:33,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: inisa-isa nila, visiting it

2074
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:35,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and confirming kung ano ba talaga

2075
02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:36,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nangyayari.

2076
02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:36,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And

2077
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:40,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there are

2078
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:42,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: some issues,

2079
02:01:42,620 --> 02:01:43,860
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for example, na

2080
02:01:43,860 --> 02:01:46,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: most of the maintenance

2081
02:01:46,340 --> 02:01:50,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or even the repairs,

2082
02:01:51,160 --> 02:01:51,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kailangan pa

2083
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:53,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: magpapasok sila ng

2084
02:01:53,580 --> 02:01:55,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: foreign equipments or foreign

2085
02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:58,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: personnel para mag-ayos

2086
02:01:58,540 --> 02:01:59,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ng mga

2087
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:01,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: turbina nila or ng planta nila.

2088
02:02:01,900 --> 02:02:03,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And that really delays us. For example,

2089
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:05,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: one company had to send in

2090
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:06,240
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: their

2091
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:09,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: team from India

2092
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:11,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: para lang ayusin ito.

2093
02:02:11,660 --> 02:02:13,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, that's what we have been

2094
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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: checking kung there's something really

2095
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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: intrinsically wrong in the how

2096
02:02:17,380 --> 02:02:19,220
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we do this. So,

2097
02:02:19,660 --> 02:02:21,220
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: capacity building and all that. Pero,

2098
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:22,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: given that,

2099
02:02:23,500 --> 02:02:25,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I would

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02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:27,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: based on the

2101
02:02:27,460 --> 02:02:28,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: results of the visits,

2102
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DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: wala naman siyang collusion. It's just

2103
02:02:31,420 --> 02:02:32,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that

2104
02:02:32,460 --> 02:02:35,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na-overwork din natin yung mga planta,

2105
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:37,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: especially during the times

2106
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:39,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ng crisis and also with the

2107
02:02:39,260 --> 02:02:41,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: summer, na dapat magpahinga

2108
02:02:41,380 --> 02:02:44,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na siya, pinapatuloy-tuloy

2109
02:02:44,060 --> 02:02:44,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pa rin natin. So,

2110
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:47,100
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there are reforms in the policies that

2111
02:02:47,100 --> 02:02:48,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we have done and we are doing

2112
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: right now. Ang isa sa mga

2113
02:02:51,200 --> 02:02:52,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: major reforms namin is

2114
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:54,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: genco-accountability because there

2115
02:02:54,940 --> 02:02:56,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: has never been any

2116
02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:58,240
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: penalty on the side

2117
02:02:58,540 --> 02:03:00,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of DOE kung

2118
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:02,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: palagi kang nawawala

2119
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:04,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or hindi ka-compliance sa mga requirements mo.

2120
02:03:04,740 --> 02:03:05,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we're doing that.

2121
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:08,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And then, I think ERC is also

2122
02:03:08,420 --> 02:03:09,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: doing some

2123
02:03:09,580 --> 02:03:12,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: their own

2124
02:03:12,680 --> 02:03:14,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: policies para mag-stricter

2125
02:03:14,460 --> 02:03:16,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yung performance nila.

2126
02:03:16,780 --> 02:03:16,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Kasi,

2127
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:19,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: you're correct,

2128
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:21,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sir Cher, na talagang

2129
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:24,180
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: people are suffering because of their

2130
02:03:24,180 --> 02:03:24,780
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: inefficiency.

2131
02:03:27,960 --> 02:03:28,480
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes.

2132
02:03:28,540 --> 02:03:28,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes.

2133
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:33,480
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We have the reliability

2134
02:03:33,480 --> 02:03:35,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: indices and based on

2135
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:38,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our resolution

2136
02:03:38,060 --> 02:03:39,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and monitoring of the

2137
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:42,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: outages, a lot of the

2138
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:43,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: plants on

2139
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:45,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: outage have already exceeded

2140
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:47,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the

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02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:50,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance for them.

2142
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:51,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And we've issued

2143
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:52,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: notices

2144
02:03:52,540 --> 02:03:55,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of

2145
02:03:55,740 --> 02:03:57,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: non-compliance to these

2146
02:03:57,440 --> 02:04:00,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generating facilities.

2147
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:02,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And after these notices

2148
02:04:02,460 --> 02:04:04,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: based on our rules, we will shortly be

2149
02:04:04,540 --> 02:04:06,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: issuing at the end of the year

2150
02:04:06,140 --> 02:04:08,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the show cost because our

2151
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:09,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: reckoning of the outage

2152
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:12,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance compliance

2153
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:14,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is on an annual basis.

2154
02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:16,820
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So, on the

2155
02:04:16,820 --> 02:04:18,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: market behavior

2156
02:04:18,460 --> 02:04:21,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the participants,

2157
02:04:21,700 --> 02:04:22,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: together with

2158
02:04:22,660 --> 02:04:24,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our solution on

2159
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:26,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: mitigating the

2160
02:04:26,460 --> 02:04:28,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: extraordinarily high

2161
02:04:28,640 --> 02:04:31,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: WESM prices in the Visayas and Mindanao,

2162
02:04:31,300 --> 02:04:33,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we have directed the governance

2163
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:35,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: body for WESM

2164
02:04:35,780 --> 02:04:36,900
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: which is PEMC.

2165
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:38,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Attached to the PEMC

2166
02:04:38,540 --> 02:04:41,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the BEM Board is the Market

2167
02:04:41,260 --> 02:04:43,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Surveillance Committee. We've

2168
02:04:43,220 --> 02:04:45,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: asked help from the Market Surveillance

2169
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:47,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Committee for us to be able to

2170
02:04:47,260 --> 02:04:49,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: validate yung behavior,

2171
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:51,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung conduct of the market

2172
02:04:51,140 --> 02:04:52,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: participants to

2173
02:04:52,240 --> 02:04:55,100
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: verify really if

2174
02:04:55,100 --> 02:04:56,420
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: there was no

2175
02:04:56,420 --> 02:04:58,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: market power abuse that was

2176
02:04:58,060 --> 02:05:00,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: committed during this period.

2177
02:05:00,060 --> 02:05:02,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Two things, Chairman.

2178
02:05:03,580 --> 02:05:03,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: One,

2179
02:05:05,020 --> 02:05:06,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung mga, ano ba

2180
02:05:06,620 --> 02:05:07,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang

2181
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fine or penalty

2182
02:05:10,240 --> 02:05:12,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kung nag-exceed sa

2183
02:05:12,220 --> 02:05:14,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: allowable allowance?

2184
02:05:15,020 --> 02:05:16,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: That's number one. And then number

2185
02:05:16,500 --> 02:05:18,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: two, after

2186
02:05:18,300 --> 02:05:20,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: alerting the IEMOP,

2187
02:05:22,260 --> 02:05:22,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kailan natin

2188
02:05:22,860 --> 02:05:24,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: malalaman kung merong

2189
02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:26,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: collusion o walang collusion? Kasi

2190
02:05:26,420 --> 02:05:28,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: manipis na ngayon ang

2191
02:05:28,380 --> 02:05:31,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: supply. So napakadaling

2192
02:05:31,220 --> 02:05:33,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: i-manipulate yung market

2193
02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:34,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kasi manipis yung supply sa

2194
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:36,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Vismin. So

2195
02:05:36,060 --> 02:05:38,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: wala naman akong sinasabi

2196
02:05:38,980 --> 02:05:40,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na merong

2197
02:05:40,580 --> 02:05:43,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nagkukulud or may anti-competitive

2198
02:05:43,100 --> 02:05:44,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: behavior. But in the same manner,

2199
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:46,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we want to get the comfort

2200
02:05:46,580 --> 02:05:48,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na walang nag-game

2201
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:49,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng system, walang

2202
02:05:49,980 --> 02:05:52,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: inaabuso yung

2203
02:05:52,540 --> 02:05:54,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung merkado. So we want to

2204
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: rule that out. May

2205
02:05:56,420 --> 02:05:58,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: process of elimination, we want to rule that

2206
02:05:58,500 --> 02:05:58,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: out.

2207
02:06:00,500 --> 02:06:02,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Mr. Chair. Karaniwan

2208
02:06:02,660 --> 02:06:04,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the

2209
02:06:04,700 --> 02:06:06,380
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: analysis,

2210
02:06:07,400 --> 02:06:08,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ang tinitingnan po

2211
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:09,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ay yung mga pivotal

2212
02:06:09,960 --> 02:06:12,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: suppliers o yung mga marginal plants

2213
02:06:12,260 --> 02:06:14,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that are able to set the prices

2214
02:06:14,220 --> 02:06:16,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: during times when there's

2215
02:06:16,300 --> 02:06:18,420
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: shortage. And what

2216
02:06:18,420 --> 02:06:20,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is being analyzed is

2217
02:06:20,300 --> 02:06:21,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kung merong mga

2218
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:23,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: consortium or mga

2219
02:06:23,740 --> 02:06:25,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generation,

2220
02:06:26,420 --> 02:06:27,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: companies that are

2221
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:30,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: owned in common by

2222
02:06:30,180 --> 02:06:32,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: some entities

2223
02:06:32,340 --> 02:06:34,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and see if the

2224
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:36,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: prices that are set by the

2225
02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:38,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: pivotal supplier benefit

2226
02:06:38,340 --> 02:06:40,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the other members

2227
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:42,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the group. Yun po

2228
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:42,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: yung

2229
02:06:42,720 --> 02:06:46,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: tinitingnan din doon sa aming

2230
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:48,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: analysis. So we can

2231
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:49,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: rule out nga if

2232
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:51,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: some of, if there is

2233
02:06:51,960 --> 02:06:54,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: anyone doing

2234
02:06:54,180 --> 02:06:56,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: some market

2235
02:06:56,140 --> 02:06:58,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: manipulation, setting

2236
02:06:58,140 --> 02:06:59,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the prices high so that

2237
02:06:59,700 --> 02:07:02,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: other generators,

2238
02:07:02,260 --> 02:07:04,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: not necessarily the pivotal supplier,

2239
02:07:04,280 --> 02:07:05,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would be able to

2240
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:08,020
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: benefit from the higher

2241
02:07:08,020 --> 02:07:08,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: prices.

2242
02:07:10,020 --> 02:07:12,320
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. President, if I may

2243
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:14,280
Senator Erwin Tulfo: be allowed, I have

2244
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:16,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: another, I have a budget briefing for

2245
02:07:16,080 --> 02:07:18,180
Senator Erwin Tulfo: another agency in my office. I would like

2246
02:07:18,180 --> 02:07:20,060
Senator Erwin Tulfo: to be excused, but I just want to

2247
02:07:20,060 --> 02:07:21,240
Senator Erwin Tulfo: inform the Secretary,

2248
02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:23,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Attorney Juan,

2249
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:26,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Chairman Almeda, that I support,

2250
02:07:26,140 --> 02:07:28,260
Senator Erwin Tulfo: po, the budget request of

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02:07:28,260 --> 02:07:30,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: the Department of Energy and all

2252
02:07:30,080 --> 02:07:31,300
Senator Erwin Tulfo: its attached agencies.

2253
02:07:31,880 --> 02:07:33,840
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I will support it. Kung meron pong

2254
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:36,100
Senator Erwin Tulfo: kailangang idagdag sa plenary, I'll

2255
02:07:36,100 --> 02:07:38,160
Senator Erwin Tulfo: work on it. Tutulong

2256
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:40,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: po tayo based

2257
02:07:40,040 --> 02:07:42,280
Senator Erwin Tulfo: on sinabi po ng chairperson natin

2258
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:44,140
Senator Erwin Tulfo: na I'm

2259
02:07:44,140 --> 02:07:46,140
Senator Erwin Tulfo: full support po ako, just like our

2260
02:07:46,140 --> 02:07:48,040
Senator Erwin Tulfo: majority floor leader. Thank you po.

2261
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:49,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Mr. Chair,

2262
02:07:50,280 --> 02:07:52,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I just tanalang we would

2263
02:07:52,120 --> 02:07:53,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: like to invite the two

2264
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:55,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: honorable senators

2265
02:07:55,300 --> 02:07:57,980
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to our Palawan meeting

2266
02:07:57,980 --> 02:07:59,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: which will involve all the

2267
02:07:59,900 --> 02:08:02,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: LGUs, including the congressmen

2268
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:03,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and all the agencies

2269
02:08:03,460 --> 02:08:05,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because together with

2270
02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:07,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: NEA, NAPO, CORE, TRANSCO, we

2271
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:09,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: have already formulated a

2272
02:08:09,900 --> 02:08:11,860
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: master plan for Palawan to

2273
02:08:11,860 --> 02:08:13,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: be completed first quarter

2274
02:08:13,820 --> 02:08:15,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of 2028 or last quarter

2275
02:08:15,580 --> 02:08:17,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of 2027. Fix

2276
02:08:17,900 --> 02:08:19,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: all the generation distribution and

2277
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:22,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: transmission and your support

2278
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:23,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: would be really appreciated. It will

2279
02:08:23,820 --> 02:08:25,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: be on September 25.

2280
02:08:25,300 --> 02:08:27,760
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Definitely, Secretary, we will be

2281
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:29,560
Senator Erwin Tulfo: there. We will support

2282
02:08:29,560 --> 02:08:31,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: just as I

2283
02:08:31,780 --> 02:08:33,080
Senator Erwin Tulfo: have stated earlier

2284
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:35,000
Senator Erwin Tulfo: for us,

2285
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:37,780
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Chairman Administrator Almeda.

2286
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:39,840
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Like I said, I told the Secretary

2287
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:40,940
Senator Erwin Tulfo: and Chairman Juan,

2288
02:08:41,940 --> 02:08:42,280
Senator Erwin Tulfo: this

2289
02:08:42,280 --> 02:08:45,740
Senator Erwin Tulfo: representation is

2290
02:08:45,740 --> 02:08:47,600
Senator Erwin Tulfo: in full support for the budget

2291
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:49,920
Senator Erwin Tulfo: request of the DOE

2292
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:51,380
Senator Erwin Tulfo: and all its attached agencies.

2293
02:08:51,380 --> 02:08:53,300
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Marami salamat po. I have to go because

2294
02:08:53,300 --> 02:08:55,120
Senator Erwin Tulfo: I have to be brief.

2295
02:08:55,300 --> 02:08:57,640
Senator Erwin Tulfo: Another agency. Thank you po and good afternoon.

2296
02:08:58,980 --> 02:08:59,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you,

2297
02:08:59,940 --> 02:09:01,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman Erwin.

2298
02:09:02,540 --> 02:09:03,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So going back,

2299
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:06,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang naging dahilan

2300
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is shortage. Maraming pumaliak

2301
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:09,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kaya sumi pa yung presyo.

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02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:11,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Just submit to the

2303
02:09:11,940 --> 02:09:12,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: committee,

2304
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:15,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman Juan, yung results

2305
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:18,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng kanyong inyong investigation

2306
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:20,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to rule out anti-competitive

2307
02:09:20,140 --> 02:09:21,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: behaviors kung mayroong collusion.

2308
02:09:23,160 --> 02:09:24,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yung mga ganito ka lang,

2309
02:09:24,220 --> 02:09:24,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tignan lahat eh.

2310
02:09:25,300 --> 02:09:27,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Not just say na pumaliang

2311
02:09:27,740 --> 02:09:28,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung planta tapos

2312
02:09:28,840 --> 02:09:31,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we leave the prices to go up.

2313
02:09:31,780 --> 02:09:33,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi pwedeng ganun eh. Kailangan i-rule out

2314
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:35,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: one by one. And then second,

2315
02:09:36,060 --> 02:09:37,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: just also

2316
02:09:37,660 --> 02:09:40,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung penalty

2317
02:09:40,380 --> 02:09:41,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and

2318
02:09:41,100 --> 02:09:43,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fines. How much is the

2319
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:45,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: penalty and fines to those

2320
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:47,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: who exceed the limit?

2321
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:49,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Our base

2322
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:51,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: penalties would range

2323
02:09:51,300 --> 02:09:54,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: from P50,000 to P200,000.

2324
02:09:55,300 --> 02:09:57,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Depending on the size of

2325
02:09:57,180 --> 02:09:59,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the generation

2326
02:09:59,560 --> 02:10:01,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: facility. And aside from

2327
02:10:01,780 --> 02:10:03,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the base, on top of that,

2328
02:10:04,020 --> 02:10:05,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for every day

2329
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:07,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of non-compliance, because

2330
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:09,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: there's the outage allowance, and every

2331
02:10:09,940 --> 02:10:11,900
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: day that they exceed that, there will

2332
02:10:11,900 --> 02:10:13,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: be a penalty of

2333
02:10:13,340 --> 02:10:15,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 10% of the base

2334
02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:17,380
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: price. So

2335
02:10:17,380 --> 02:10:19,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we are able

2336
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:21,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to impose now a

2337
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:23,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: higher penalty based on

2338
02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:25,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our amended resolution.

2339
02:10:25,300 --> 02:10:26,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: By

2340
02:10:26,200 --> 02:10:29,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: considering in the

2341
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:31,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: calculation of the penalty, the

2342
02:10:31,180 --> 02:10:32,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: duration of

2343
02:10:32,780 --> 02:10:35,020
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the non-compliance. So

2344
02:10:35,020 --> 02:10:37,100
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we believe that

2345
02:10:37,100 --> 02:10:39,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: this addresses the earlier

2346
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:40,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: issue of our

2347
02:10:40,980 --> 02:10:42,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: penalties not being

2348
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:43,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: commensurate

2349
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:47,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: enough for the violations.

2350
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:49,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So na-increase

2351
02:10:49,540 --> 02:10:50,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na in other words?

2352
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:53,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Opo. And that will incentivize

2353
02:10:53,340 --> 02:10:55,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: them to as much as possible.

2354
02:10:55,260 --> 02:10:57,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Limit their outages

2355
02:10:57,640 --> 02:10:59,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the allowance because every

2356
02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:00,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: day of

2357
02:11:00,340 --> 02:11:03,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: addition to that

2358
02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:05,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance is

2359
02:11:05,320 --> 02:11:07,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 10% of the base

2360
02:11:07,260 --> 02:11:09,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: penalty. Since the

2361
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:11,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: promulgation itong reliability

2362
02:11:11,100 --> 02:11:13,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: index, meron ba napatawan

2363
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:14,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na ng fines?

2364
02:11:16,660 --> 02:11:17,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron na.

2365
02:11:17,120 --> 02:11:19,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I assume yung revenues

2366
02:11:19,380 --> 02:11:21,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nyo, malaking part of that will be

2367
02:11:21,460 --> 02:11:23,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fines and penalties.

2368
02:11:23,740 --> 02:11:25,160
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: This will be the first

2369
02:11:25,260 --> 02:11:27,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: year when we will

2370
02:11:27,260 --> 02:11:29,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: implement these new penalties.

2371
02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:31,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And as I mentioned earlier,

2372
02:11:31,980 --> 02:11:33,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our process is

2373
02:11:33,240 --> 02:11:35,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we first call the attention of

2374
02:11:35,220 --> 02:11:37,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the generation facility by issuing

2375
02:11:37,180 --> 02:11:39,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the notice of non-compliance within

2376
02:11:39,220 --> 02:11:41,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the year. And so they

2377
02:11:41,180 --> 02:11:43,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: will be aware that they've already

2378
02:11:43,080 --> 02:11:45,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: exceeded the outage

2379
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:47,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allowance. And then at

2380
02:11:47,220 --> 02:11:48,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the end of the year, we

2381
02:11:48,580 --> 02:11:51,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: start issuing the show cause so we

2382
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:52,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: can proceed with the

2383
02:11:52,760 --> 02:11:55,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: imposition of the penalties.

2384
02:11:55,260 --> 02:11:57,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And this time, we will be using

2385
02:11:57,180 --> 02:11:58,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the new penalties. But in the past, meron na

2386
02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:01,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na-fine? Meron na napatawan

2387
02:12:01,340 --> 02:12:03,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng fine? Yes.

2388
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:05,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Have you ever imposed fines and penalties?

2389
02:12:05,800 --> 02:12:07,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Meron na. We were able to impose.

2390
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:08,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pero obviously, hindi

2391
02:12:08,700 --> 02:12:11,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nag-effect. Kasi mababa

2392
02:12:11,180 --> 02:12:12,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: siguro. Yes, Mr. Chair.

2393
02:12:12,940 --> 02:12:15,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So ngayon, tinaasan nyo na and this year

2394
02:12:15,100 --> 02:12:17,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: will be the first time you will

2395
02:12:17,220 --> 02:12:19,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: impose using the higher

2396
02:12:19,420 --> 02:12:21,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fines.

2397
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:22,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Per day, that will be

2398
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:24,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: 10% of the base penalty.

2399
02:12:25,260 --> 02:12:27,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. So just submit to us a report

2400
02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:29,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: particularly

2401
02:12:29,220 --> 02:12:31,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: on this Vismin. And I would

2402
02:12:31,260 --> 02:12:32,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: assume itong Vismin, may mga

2403
02:12:32,640 --> 02:12:35,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mapapatawan ng fine to.

2404
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:37,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: So far, yes. Based

2405
02:12:37,320 --> 02:12:39,520
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on our notice of non-compliance,

2406
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:41,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we have several generation

2407
02:12:41,320 --> 02:12:43,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: facilities. Merong candidates to be

2408
02:12:43,200 --> 02:12:45,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fined. Yes, Mr. Chair. Okay. So

2409
02:12:45,200 --> 02:12:46,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: just submit to us a

2410
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:49,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: report on that. But the bottom line

2411
02:12:49,140 --> 02:12:51,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: here is we cannot allow

2412
02:12:51,140 --> 02:12:53,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 18 pesos, 19 pesos,

2413
02:12:53,560 --> 02:12:54,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 20 pesos.

2414
02:12:55,260 --> 02:12:56,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Mamamatay ang consumers

2415
02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:58,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: natin sa ganyan. Papamatay

2416
02:12:58,420 --> 02:13:00,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: negosyo, actually. I don't

2417
02:13:00,440 --> 02:13:02,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: think businesses can

2418
02:13:02,300 --> 02:13:04,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: survive with that kind

2419
02:13:04,500 --> 02:13:05,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: of prices.

2420
02:13:06,260 --> 02:13:08,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pagkausap mo nga yung mga negosyante,

2421
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:10,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang parating reaction nila,

2422
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:12,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nagtatrabaho sila para doon sa

2423
02:13:12,180 --> 02:13:14,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: utility na lang. Wala

2424
02:13:14,220 --> 02:13:16,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nang natitirang kita sa kanila kasi

2425
02:13:16,020 --> 02:13:18,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: almost 40, 50, 60% of

2426
02:13:18,220 --> 02:13:19,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: their

2427
02:13:19,820 --> 02:13:22,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: cost goes

2428
02:13:22,180 --> 02:13:23,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to paying electricity.

2429
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:24,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So,

2430
02:13:25,260 --> 02:13:26,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we cannot allow that.

2431
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:29,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Basa ko rin na nag-impose na kayo

2432
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:31,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng CAP, albeit

2433
02:13:31,220 --> 02:13:33,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: medyo late na. But

2434
02:13:33,020 --> 02:13:33,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nevertheless,

2435
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:36,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: importante rin na magkaroon ng

2436
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:38,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: disiplina among the generators.

2437
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:40,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Matagal ng problema ito, Chairman.

2438
02:13:41,140 --> 02:13:43,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We need to make sure that there's

2439
02:13:43,120 --> 02:13:45,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: also discipline. Alam ko, deregulated

2440
02:13:45,300 --> 02:13:46,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sila. But

2441
02:13:46,620 --> 02:13:48,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we cannot avoid it.

2442
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:50,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kung recurring na lang itong mga

2443
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:52,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ganitong problema, we cannot avoid

2444
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:54,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: imposing rules.

2445
02:13:55,260 --> 02:13:56,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then...

2446
02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:58,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Mr. Chair, we're actually

2447
02:13:58,640 --> 02:14:00,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: checking the data so that we can

2448
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:02,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pass it to PCC

2449
02:14:02,520 --> 02:14:05,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or market abuse if ever

2450
02:14:05,060 --> 02:14:06,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there is.

2451
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:08,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you for that, Secretary Chairman. I'll go to some

2452
02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:09,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: items in the budget.

2453
02:14:10,720 --> 02:14:11,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I saw,

2454
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:14,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Secretary Garin, na

2455
02:14:14,620 --> 02:14:16,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: lumaki yung inyong special

2456
02:14:16,740 --> 02:14:17,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: account.

2457
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:20,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: In 2025, it's only 800

2458
02:14:20,940 --> 02:14:22,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: million. And then in

2459
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:24,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 2027, it's now

2460
02:14:24,620 --> 02:14:25,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 3.7 billion.

2461
02:14:26,700 --> 02:14:28,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: What is the reason for the

2462
02:14:28,820 --> 02:14:29,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: increase?

2463
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:33,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ano ito? Malampaya?

2464
02:14:35,080 --> 02:14:36,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Royalty? Siguro ito eh, no?

2465
02:14:38,440 --> 02:14:40,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Mr. Chair, you mean

2466
02:14:40,460 --> 02:14:42,280
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for what it will be used?

2467
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:43,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: No, no. Anong source?

2468
02:14:44,420 --> 02:14:45,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Source niya. Ah, yung

2469
02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:46,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nag-increase.

2470
02:14:46,820 --> 02:14:47,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sorry, siya.

2471
02:14:48,380 --> 02:14:49,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi ko nakita.

2472
02:14:50,120 --> 02:14:51,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It's okay. It's malampaya.

2473
02:14:52,340 --> 02:14:53,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: It's malampaya.

2474
02:14:54,620 --> 02:14:56,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And, um...

2475
02:14:57,900 --> 02:14:58,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sa reko ba?

2476
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:03,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: at the other fees also that we collect

2477
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:05,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi technically it's supposed to be

2478
02:15:05,620 --> 02:15:07,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: like 20% of the

2479
02:15:07,060 --> 02:15:08,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of the collections

2480
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:11,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: but majority of that is at

2481
02:15:11,060 --> 02:15:12,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong

2482
02:15:12,260 --> 02:15:17,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: isa yan

2483
02:15:17,200 --> 02:15:19,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think other collections

2484
02:15:19,620 --> 02:15:19,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: no

2485
02:15:19,880 --> 02:15:25,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: okay

2486
02:15:25,740 --> 02:15:26,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and

2487
02:15:26,340 --> 02:15:30,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and the reason for that

2488
02:15:30,740 --> 02:15:31,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: that's the new well

2489
02:15:31,640 --> 02:15:33,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the increase

2490
02:15:33,560 --> 02:15:34,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes sir

2491
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:35,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pero there's also the increase

2492
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:36,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on the renewable energy

2493
02:15:36,820 --> 02:15:38,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sa mga collections namin

2494
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:40,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi dumadami din yung mga gen

2495
02:15:40,920 --> 02:15:42,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: but this is

2496
02:15:42,520 --> 02:15:49,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: what is this

2497
02:15:49,540 --> 02:15:50,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: this is

2498
02:15:54,440 --> 02:15:55,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: this is the collection

2499
02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:56,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pero hindi pa

2500
02:15:56,180 --> 02:15:56,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: net

2501
02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:57,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: net to government

2502
02:15:57,040 --> 02:15:57,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yun diba

2503
02:15:57,540 --> 02:16:00,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is that net to government

2504
02:16:00,660 --> 02:16:02,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yan yan yan

2505
02:16:02,780 --> 02:16:04,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: bakit lumaki siya

2506
02:16:04,180 --> 02:16:07,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: for 2027

2507
02:16:07,060 --> 02:16:08,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: it's more than your

2508
02:16:08,100 --> 02:16:10,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: new appropriation

2509
02:16:10,480 --> 02:16:11,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: more than your

2510
02:16:11,500 --> 02:16:12,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: appropriation

2511
02:16:12,820 --> 02:16:13,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sir

2512
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:14,280
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's more of a

2513
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:14,860
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DBM

2514
02:16:14,860 --> 02:16:16,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ano na

2515
02:16:16,460 --> 02:16:16,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ni

2516
02:16:16,900 --> 02:16:18,180
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ni reallocate

2517
02:16:18,180 --> 02:16:19,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ang mga budget namin

2518
02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:20,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sa special account

2519
02:16:20,340 --> 02:16:21,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: which is

2520
02:16:21,740 --> 02:16:22,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: anong source

2521
02:16:22,420 --> 02:16:25,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: our collections

2522
02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:26,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: our collections

2523
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:26,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: our collections

2524
02:16:26,820 --> 02:16:27,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sir

2525
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:28,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: so yung slide na kanina

2526
02:16:28,520 --> 02:16:29,220
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yun yung source

2527
02:16:29,220 --> 02:16:29,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: part of it

2528
02:16:29,880 --> 02:16:30,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes

2529
02:16:30,260 --> 02:16:31,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: part of it

2530
02:16:31,060 --> 02:16:31,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and

2531
02:16:31,900 --> 02:16:33,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang tanong ko

2532
02:16:33,400 --> 02:16:34,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is that because

2533
02:16:34,020 --> 02:16:35,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: of the new discovery

2534
02:16:35,720 --> 02:16:36,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is that

2535
02:16:36,300 --> 02:16:37,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is that the reason

2536
02:16:37,160 --> 02:16:38,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kasi tingnan nyo

2537
02:16:38,720 --> 02:16:40,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: dati 30% lang

2538
02:16:40,060 --> 02:16:41,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang automatic

2539
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:42,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: automatic includes

2540
02:16:42,680 --> 02:16:43,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ano dyan eh

2541
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:44,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung retirement

2542
02:16:44,660 --> 02:16:45,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: parli

2543
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:47,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pero malaki dito

2544
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:48,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nakita ko special account

2545
02:16:48,280 --> 02:16:48,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: so

2546
02:16:48,500 --> 02:16:49,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: but I don't have the breakdown

2547
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:50,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: technically kasi

2548
02:16:50,540 --> 02:16:52,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that's a source of funding

2549
02:16:52,520 --> 02:16:53,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pero

2550
02:16:53,420 --> 02:16:54,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: what will qualify

2551
02:16:54,880 --> 02:16:56,140
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: under that special account

2552
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:58,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or certain projects lang

2553
02:16:58,000 --> 02:16:58,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yes yes

2554
02:16:58,300 --> 02:16:58,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I understand

2555
02:16:58,900 --> 02:17:00,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: but those certain projects

2556
02:17:00,460 --> 02:17:01,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: are continuing

2557
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:03,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or nag-increase

2558
02:17:03,040 --> 02:17:04,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ng budget siya

2559
02:17:04,260 --> 02:17:04,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ah

2560
02:17:04,700 --> 02:17:06,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: manap chair

2561
02:17:06,460 --> 02:17:07,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yes I understand

2562
02:17:07,240 --> 02:17:08,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: what is the driver

2563
02:17:08,780 --> 02:17:09,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: of that

2564
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:10,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: increase

2565
02:17:10,220 --> 02:17:11,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is it malampaya

2566
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:12,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is it

2567
02:17:12,060 --> 02:17:13,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: geothermal

2568
02:17:13,620 --> 02:17:14,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is it

2569
02:17:14,360 --> 02:17:16,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's mostly malampaya

2570
02:17:16,020 --> 02:17:16,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi

2571
02:17:16,360 --> 02:17:18,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because of the new discovery

2572
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:18,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that's a new discovery

2573
02:17:18,940 --> 02:17:19,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's slowly

2574
02:17:19,260 --> 02:17:20,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: going up

2575
02:17:20,440 --> 02:17:21,980
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: bumaba siya ng konti

2576
02:17:21,980 --> 02:17:22,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: sa 26

2577
02:17:22,900 --> 02:17:24,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ah sa 25

2578
02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:26,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: tapos paakyat na yun naman siya

2579
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:26,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: by

2580
02:17:26,320 --> 02:17:27,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: by 27

2581
02:17:27,160 --> 02:17:27,700
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 28

2582
02:17:27,700 --> 02:17:28,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think it will hit

2583
02:17:28,660 --> 02:17:29,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it will

2584
02:17:29,620 --> 02:17:30,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: keep on increasing

2585
02:17:30,580 --> 02:17:31,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: so it's it's

2586
02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:33,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the new discovery

2587
02:17:33,400 --> 02:17:33,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang

2588
02:17:33,800 --> 02:17:35,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang

2589
02:17:35,320 --> 02:17:36,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: driver

2590
02:17:36,860 --> 02:17:37,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tama

2591
02:17:37,620 --> 02:17:38,220
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes

2592
02:17:38,220 --> 02:17:40,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the projections of the new discovery

2593
02:17:40,120 --> 02:17:40,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yes

2594
02:17:40,680 --> 02:17:42,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yeah because yung new appropriations

2595
02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:44,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: stable siya 2 billion

2596
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:45,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pero the

2597
02:17:45,380 --> 02:17:46,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the

2598
02:17:46,860 --> 02:17:50,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong automatic appropriations

2599
02:17:50,380 --> 02:17:51,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang nakita kong lumalaki

2600
02:17:51,820 --> 02:17:52,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: okay

2601
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:53,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: um

2602
02:17:53,940 --> 02:17:55,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sige

2603
02:17:56,000 --> 02:17:57,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: next will be

2604
02:17:57,340 --> 02:17:58,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ito na

2605
02:17:58,060 --> 02:17:59,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pag-usapan natin

2606
02:17:59,120 --> 02:17:59,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: last year

2607
02:17:59,860 --> 02:18:00,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: um

2608
02:18:00,380 --> 02:18:06,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pero

2609
02:18:06,900 --> 02:18:08,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ito galing sa

2610
02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:09,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: LBR mo

2611
02:18:09,300 --> 02:18:10,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung automatic

2612
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:12,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: automatic appropriations

2613
02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:13,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: does not include

2614
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:14,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: malampaya

2615
02:18:14,780 --> 02:18:21,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ...

2616
02:18:21,580 --> 02:18:22,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ...

2617
02:18:22,040 --> 02:18:22,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ...

2618
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:58,240
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: In the previous years,

2619
02:18:58,560 --> 02:19:00,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we weren't given

2620
02:19:00,720 --> 02:19:04,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: although by law

2621
02:19:04,500 --> 02:19:06,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we should have like 20% of that

2622
02:19:06,380 --> 02:19:08,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: but this is like the first time na

2623
02:19:08,340 --> 02:19:11,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: hindi lang sa fees kami

2624
02:19:11,060 --> 02:19:12,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kundi pati sa malampaya

2625
02:19:12,500 --> 02:19:13,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kaya nag-increase siya.

2626
02:19:13,660 --> 02:19:15,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ah, okay. Baka

2627
02:19:15,020 --> 02:19:16,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: hindi pa recorded.

2628
02:19:54,820 --> 02:19:57,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nakita ko kasi dito

2629
02:19:57,680 --> 02:19:59,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: secretary may mga

2630
02:19:59,100 --> 02:20:03,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: may mga fees, mostly fees

2631
02:20:03,940 --> 02:20:05,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and then

2632
02:20:05,440 --> 02:20:07,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the other one is

2633
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:09,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: share from national wealth which is

2634
02:20:09,500 --> 02:20:10,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: royalties.

2635
02:20:12,520 --> 02:20:13,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasama dito

2636
02:20:13,720 --> 02:20:15,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: iba-iba. May geothermal,

2637
02:20:15,740 --> 02:20:16,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: wind, hydro, solar,

2638
02:20:17,340 --> 02:20:17,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: malampaya.

2639
02:20:19,880 --> 02:20:21,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Just submit lang to us.

2640
02:20:21,780 --> 02:20:23,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I just want to understand bakit

2641
02:20:23,400 --> 02:20:24,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: biglang lumaki,

2642
02:20:24,820 --> 02:20:25,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: wind jump

2643
02:20:25,320 --> 02:20:28,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: from an average

2644
02:20:28,820 --> 02:20:31,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is about 800 million to 3 billion.

2645
02:20:32,660 --> 02:20:34,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then next is

2646
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:36,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ito na pag-usapan natin yung

2647
02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:37,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Philippine

2648
02:20:37,820 --> 02:20:40,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Gradiometry and Seismic Survey.

2649
02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:42,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We funded it last year

2650
02:20:42,980 --> 02:20:44,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think about

2651
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:46,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 600 million.

2652
02:20:46,580 --> 02:20:46,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tama ba?

2653
02:20:48,060 --> 02:20:49,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 627 million.

2654
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:52,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then this year, there's a funding of

2655
02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:54,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 1.3 billion.

2656
02:20:54,180 --> 02:20:54,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So,

2657
02:20:54,820 --> 02:20:57,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: can you give us an update kung ano nang

2658
02:20:57,180 --> 02:20:57,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nangyari dito sa

2659
02:20:57,980 --> 02:20:59,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 627?

2660
02:21:00,220 --> 02:21:01,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I support this.

2661
02:21:01,480 --> 02:21:03,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tatama kayo, secretary, dahil

2662
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:05,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mahirap naman mang benta kung wala tayong

2663
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:05,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: data.

2664
02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:08,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: This is actually an

2665
02:21:08,600 --> 02:21:10,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: insertion, sasabihin ko sa

2666
02:21:10,560 --> 02:21:11,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: amendment.

2667
02:21:11,820 --> 02:21:14,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Amendment from the

2668
02:21:14,620 --> 02:21:16,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: magandang insertion.

2669
02:21:16,860 --> 02:21:17,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: No, it's a good

2670
02:21:17,720 --> 02:21:18,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: addition.

2671
02:21:19,700 --> 02:21:21,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Senator P, magandang insertion

2672
02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:22,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: slash amendment to dahil

2673
02:21:22,900 --> 02:21:24,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: this will give us

2674
02:21:24,660 --> 02:21:26,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: data. Itong mga, here, no?

2675
02:21:27,480 --> 02:21:29,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Binigyan tayo ng data so that

2676
02:21:29,060 --> 02:21:30,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we can go to the market

2677
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:32,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and sell the

2678
02:21:32,020 --> 02:21:34,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: service contracts right away. Dati kasi

2679
02:21:34,600 --> 02:21:36,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tatanungin nila kung may laman o wala.

2680
02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:38,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi naman natin alam. So, ngayon,

2681
02:21:38,840 --> 02:21:40,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron na tayong information and data.

2682
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:42,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But I want to learn

2683
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:44,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kung anong nangyari.

2684
02:21:44,860 --> 02:21:46,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: First time kasi natin pinunduhan yan, eh, no?

2685
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:49,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, successful ba siya?

2686
02:21:49,340 --> 02:21:50,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi successful? And I guess

2687
02:21:50,760 --> 02:21:52,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: it's successful because we're

2688
02:21:52,660 --> 02:21:54,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: also funding 1.3 billion.

2689
02:21:54,660 --> 02:21:56,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, again,

2690
02:21:57,920 --> 02:21:59,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we've been working

2691
02:21:59,020 --> 02:22:01,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on this budget

2692
02:22:01,660 --> 02:22:03,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: since, well, as far as

2693
02:22:03,300 --> 02:22:04,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I'm concerned, since 2022.

2694
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:07,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And this is the first time

2695
02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:08,860
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: after three years it was funded.

2696
02:22:09,620 --> 02:22:11,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And we're very happy

2697
02:22:11,400 --> 02:22:13,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with the progress of this. And

2698
02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:15,140
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yusex Halas will

2699
02:22:15,140 --> 02:22:17,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: explain the progress and where

2700
02:22:17,160 --> 02:22:19,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we are at now. But this really

2701
02:22:19,260 --> 02:22:21,100
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: gives us a boost on the interest

2702
02:22:21,100 --> 02:22:22,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of the international investors,

2703
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:24,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: especially since the

2704
02:22:24,480 --> 02:22:24,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: announcement.

2705
02:22:24,660 --> 02:22:26,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of the new discovery of

2706
02:22:26,520 --> 02:22:28,860
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Malampaya. In addition

2707
02:22:28,860 --> 02:22:30,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to this, we are

2708
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:32,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in the map now for exploration.

2709
02:22:32,840 --> 02:22:33,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Go ahead.

2710
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:36,940
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Thank you, Madam Chair.

2711
02:22:37,480 --> 02:22:38,900
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: With regards sa ating

2712
02:22:38,900 --> 02:22:40,380
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Philippine Gradiometry

2713
02:22:40,380 --> 02:22:42,320
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Survey, approved na and we are

2714
02:22:42,320 --> 02:22:44,300
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: implementing this year. So, yung

2715
02:22:44,300 --> 02:22:45,920
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: proseso humaba doon sa

2716
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:48,620
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pag-bid kasi the first time

2717
02:22:48,620 --> 02:22:50,640
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: we're bidding this magnitude and

2718
02:22:50,640 --> 02:22:51,980
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: all the bidders

2719
02:22:51,980 --> 02:22:54,480
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: were foreign bidders. So, we wanted

2720
02:22:54,480 --> 02:22:55,920
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: to be very extra careful.

2721
02:22:56,580 --> 02:22:58,540
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: The contract was awarded in

2722
02:22:58,540 --> 02:23:00,520
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: August. The airplane that's

2723
02:23:00,520 --> 02:23:02,460
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: going to be used in the survey

2724
02:23:02,460 --> 02:23:04,760
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: is currently finishing a job

2725
02:23:04,760 --> 02:23:06,640
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: in Japan. So,

2726
02:23:06,700 --> 02:23:08,520
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang scheduled arrival nung

2727
02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:10,500
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: equipment, the airplane,

2728
02:23:10,500 --> 02:23:12,040
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: is ngayon sometimes

2729
02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:14,800
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: before the end of September.

2730
02:23:15,740 --> 02:23:15,880
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So,

2731
02:23:17,220 --> 02:23:18,220
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: they can start

2732
02:23:18,220 --> 02:23:21,000
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: October. Yung 40,000

2733
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:22,360
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: square kilometers po

2734
02:23:22,360 --> 02:23:24,460
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na popondohan itong 20,000.

2735
02:23:24,480 --> 02:23:25,240
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, by the end of the year,

2736
02:23:25,240 --> 02:23:26,660
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ay matatapos ang

2737
02:23:26,660 --> 02:23:28,820
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: acquisition. Approximately

2738
02:23:28,820 --> 02:23:30,780
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: three months po. So, by the end

2739
02:23:30,780 --> 02:23:32,720
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: of the year, na-acquire yung data.

2740
02:23:33,440 --> 02:23:34,840
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: But the data now

2741
02:23:34,840 --> 02:23:36,860
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: has to be processed. So, yung processing

2742
02:23:36,860 --> 02:23:38,500
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: nito, mga another

2743
02:23:38,500 --> 02:23:40,420
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: three months. So, by the

2744
02:23:40,420 --> 02:23:42,580
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: end of the first quarter next year, yung

2745
02:23:42,580 --> 02:23:44,880
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: final product, makikita

2746
02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:46,460
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na po at madideliver na po

2747
02:23:46,460 --> 02:23:48,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa Pilipinas.

2748
02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:50,300
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: And in fact, yung ating

2749
02:23:50,300 --> 02:23:52,560
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pinopropose ngayon, which was part of the

2750
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:54,220
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: original phase program,

2751
02:23:54,480 --> 02:23:56,360
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: is double the size.

2752
02:23:56,980 --> 02:23:58,660
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, ito po ay 80,000

2753
02:23:58,660 --> 02:24:00,420
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: square kilometers, located

2754
02:24:00,420 --> 02:24:02,380
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: in Central Visayas

2755
02:24:02,380 --> 02:24:04,680
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: region. And we have explained

2756
02:24:04,680 --> 02:24:06,680
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: why we chose those two regions

2757
02:24:06,680 --> 02:24:08,420
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: dahil ito yung mga parang

2758
02:24:08,420 --> 02:24:10,620
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: forgotten areas natin. Dahil

2759
02:24:10,620 --> 02:24:12,680
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: dati, inisip ng mga

2760
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:14,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: geologists na

2761
02:24:14,100 --> 02:24:16,780
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: gas-prone niyang mga yan.

2762
02:24:16,940 --> 02:24:18,540
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, hindi pinag-aksayahan ng

2763
02:24:18,540 --> 02:24:20,520
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: panahon, noong 70s at 80s.

2764
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:22,580
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Ngayon, alam natin, importante ang

2765
02:24:22,580 --> 02:24:24,440
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: gas. So, nag-acquire.

2766
02:24:24,480 --> 02:24:26,080
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Tayo dito sa dalawang lugar.

2767
02:24:26,800 --> 02:24:28,080
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: To jumpstart po yung

2768
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:30,300
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: 2027, we plan to do

2769
02:24:30,300 --> 02:24:31,560
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: early procurement.

2770
02:24:32,360 --> 02:24:34,380
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Kasi merong, ang maganda doon ito

2771
02:24:34,380 --> 02:24:36,180
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sa ginagawa natin, walang weather

2772
02:24:36,180 --> 02:24:37,980
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: window sa Mindanao, they can shoot

2773
02:24:37,980 --> 02:24:39,660
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: October, November, December.

2774
02:24:40,540 --> 02:24:42,240
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero sa Central Visayas, we

2775
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:44,380
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: want them to start shooting by

2776
02:24:44,380 --> 02:24:46,400
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: as early as

2777
02:24:46,400 --> 02:24:47,660
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: March para

2778
02:24:47,660 --> 02:24:50,060
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: nasa good weather window po

2779
02:24:50,060 --> 02:24:52,500
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: itong 2027 program

2780
02:24:52,500 --> 02:24:52,980
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: natin.

2781
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:57,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ito ba, Usec, may third-party contractor?

2782
02:24:57,600 --> 02:24:59,960
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Meron po, there are a limited

2783
02:24:59,960 --> 02:25:01,880
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: number of companies in the world

2784
02:25:01,880 --> 02:25:04,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: na ginagawa itong ganitong klaseng

2785
02:25:04,100 --> 02:25:06,020
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: acquisition

2786
02:25:06,020 --> 02:25:08,040
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng airborne data.

2787
02:25:08,460 --> 02:25:09,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, we contract them and

2788
02:25:09,960 --> 02:25:11,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: they bring in their airplane.

2789
02:25:11,340 --> 02:25:11,980
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Yes, sir.

2790
02:25:12,100 --> 02:25:14,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then they do the survey and

2791
02:25:14,060 --> 02:25:15,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pati analysis.

2792
02:25:16,600 --> 02:25:18,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Part of it, interpretation

2793
02:25:18,280 --> 02:25:20,180
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: but mag-onboard ang ating

2794
02:25:20,180 --> 02:25:22,080
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mga tao sa DOE when

2795
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:24,100
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: they process and interpret.

2796
02:25:24,480 --> 02:25:26,120
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, may part nung

2797
02:25:26,120 --> 02:25:28,400
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ating agreement with

2798
02:25:28,400 --> 02:25:30,340
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: them. And in fact, if

2799
02:25:30,340 --> 02:25:31,140
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: I may just

2800
02:25:31,140 --> 02:25:33,980
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: point out

2801
02:25:33,980 --> 02:25:36,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: at this committee, maiksilang

2802
02:25:36,280 --> 02:25:38,300
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sir, having done this

2803
02:25:38,300 --> 02:25:40,160
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: now, na gobyerno

2804
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:42,520
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang nag-acquire, nakita namin na

2805
02:25:42,520 --> 02:25:44,320
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mas marami palang

2806
02:25:44,320 --> 02:25:46,400
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: benepiso yung contractor natin

2807
02:25:46,400 --> 02:25:48,140
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: kesa pag gobyerno po ang

2808
02:25:48,140 --> 02:25:49,980
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: gumawa. Kasi

2809
02:25:49,980 --> 02:25:52,140
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: pag contractor ang gumawa, under

2810
02:25:52,140 --> 02:25:54,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: the law, tax-free lahat ang

2811
02:25:54,280 --> 02:25:55,340
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: importasyon.

2812
02:25:56,500 --> 02:25:58,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, ngayon... May reimburse them,

2813
02:25:58,380 --> 02:25:59,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: di ba? Kasama yan sa

2814
02:25:59,960 --> 02:26:01,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reimbursement. They have to recover the cost,

2815
02:26:02,020 --> 02:26:04,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: in other words. No, I mean, pasok

2816
02:26:04,260 --> 02:26:06,180
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: mong equipment, hindi po papatawa

2817
02:26:06,180 --> 02:26:08,260
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ng customs, duties, and taxes.

2818
02:26:08,520 --> 02:26:10,680
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, tax-free. Then, i-re-re-export

2819
02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:11,940
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: naman yan after project.

2820
02:26:12,200 --> 02:26:13,180
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero ngayon,

2821
02:26:13,960 --> 02:26:16,000
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: sabi ng DOE sa amin,

2822
02:26:16,100 --> 02:26:18,520
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: walang legal basis na DOE

2823
02:26:18,520 --> 02:26:20,380
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: ang kakontrata,

2824
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:22,320
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: tax-free and

2825
02:26:22,320 --> 02:26:24,000
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: duty-free ang importasyon.

2826
02:26:24,280 --> 02:26:26,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, baka patawang kami ng...

2827
02:26:27,780 --> 02:26:28,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But this is

2828
02:26:28,320 --> 02:26:29,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: purely service naman, di ba?

2829
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:32,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We pay them to do a

2830
02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:33,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: service for us.

2831
02:26:34,140 --> 02:26:35,660
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Pero yung physical equipment,

2832
02:26:36,380 --> 02:26:38,000
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: importasyon ng aeroplano,

2833
02:26:38,540 --> 02:26:39,740
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: may tax and duties yun.

2834
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:41,280
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Which

2835
02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:44,060
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: contractor po natin ang gumawa,

2836
02:26:44,560 --> 02:26:45,180
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: under law,

2837
02:26:46,460 --> 02:26:48,580
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: exempted sila. Hindi sila magbabayad.

2838
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:50,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sige. That's a different

2839
02:26:50,480 --> 02:26:52,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: discussion. Pero

2840
02:26:52,220 --> 02:26:54,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron na ba

2841
02:26:54,200 --> 02:26:56,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tayong na-bid out na service contract

2842
02:26:56,260 --> 02:26:57,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na meron nitong mga

2843
02:26:57,540 --> 02:27:00,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: geo...

2844
02:27:00,100 --> 02:27:02,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: gradiometer surveys?

2845
02:27:02,320 --> 02:27:04,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron na ba tayong... And how's the reception?

2846
02:27:05,660 --> 02:27:06,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tumaas ba yung

2847
02:27:06,420 --> 02:27:08,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: presyo ng service contract?

2848
02:27:08,260 --> 02:27:09,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Bidding to eh. Di ba?

2849
02:27:10,640 --> 02:27:11,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron na bang ganyan?

2850
02:27:12,220 --> 02:27:13,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: This is the first time

2851
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:15,940
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: nag-acquire yung mga

2852
02:27:15,940 --> 02:27:18,020
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: contractor natin dati.

2853
02:27:18,260 --> 02:27:19,820
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, hawak na nila yung kontrata.

2854
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:22,140
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: They used the technique. Inacquire nila.

2855
02:27:22,480 --> 02:27:23,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yes, sir. Ibig sabihin itong

2856
02:27:23,860 --> 02:27:25,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: studies na ginagawa na natin

2857
02:27:25,940 --> 02:27:27,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na gamit na ba

2858
02:27:27,980 --> 02:27:29,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: natin ito in our

2859
02:27:29,660 --> 02:27:31,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: auctions? Hindi pa po.

2860
02:27:31,780 --> 02:27:33,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Wala pa. When do we

2861
02:27:33,740 --> 02:27:34,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: use that?

2862
02:27:35,400 --> 02:27:36,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: When na natin mag-agap?

2863
02:27:36,860 --> 02:27:39,640
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Final na process na. So, the earliest time,

2864
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:40,900
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: itong first set natin,

2865
02:27:41,480 --> 02:27:44,040
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: end of first quarter next year.

2866
02:27:44,360 --> 02:27:45,900
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: So, available na. Final na yung

2867
02:27:45,900 --> 02:27:47,400
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: product. Then we can

2868
02:27:47,400 --> 02:27:49,420
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: use that in the...

2869
02:27:49,420 --> 02:27:51,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, by second quarter next year.

2870
02:27:51,740 --> 02:27:53,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yes, sir. Makikita na natin yan sa...

2871
02:27:53,860 --> 02:27:56,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Philippine Conventional

2872
02:27:56,040 --> 02:27:56,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Energy Contracting

2873
02:27:56,980 --> 02:28:00,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: program natin.

2874
02:28:00,300 --> 02:28:00,680
DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales: Yes, sir.

2875
02:28:00,680 --> 02:28:01,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay.

2876
02:28:02,180 --> 02:28:03,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Alright. And

2877
02:28:03,740 --> 02:28:07,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: my other question

2878
02:28:07,840 --> 02:28:09,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to DOE is

2879
02:28:09,480 --> 02:28:13,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the only way we can get

2880
02:28:13,820 --> 02:28:14,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: out of this

2881
02:28:14,540 --> 02:28:19,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong oil shock

2882
02:28:19,740 --> 02:28:21,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na nakikita natin is

2883
02:28:21,340 --> 02:28:23,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: promotion of electric vehicles.

2884
02:28:23,860 --> 02:28:25,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And I saw in the news

2885
02:28:25,140 --> 02:28:27,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na nag-allocate ng

2886
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:29,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: amounts to encourage manufacturing

2887
02:28:29,800 --> 02:28:31,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: here in

2888
02:28:31,320 --> 02:28:33,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: our country, which I support.

2889
02:28:33,980 --> 02:28:35,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, I want to

2890
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:37,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: understand from DOE,

2891
02:28:38,100 --> 02:28:39,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: merong ano na ba ang

2892
02:28:39,480 --> 02:28:41,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: strategies natin

2893
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:43,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to improve the

2894
02:28:43,360 --> 02:28:45,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: adoption of electric vehicles?

2895
02:28:45,500 --> 02:28:46,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: That's the only way.

2896
02:28:46,380 --> 02:28:48,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: If we want to get

2897
02:28:48,440 --> 02:28:50,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: out of our addiction

2898
02:28:50,400 --> 02:28:52,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to oil, imported oil, we need to

2899
02:28:52,340 --> 02:28:53,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: adopt electric vehicles.

2900
02:28:53,860 --> 02:28:55,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Electric vehicles as quick as possible.

2901
02:28:55,580 --> 02:28:57,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: That's the only way. Wala naman ng ibang paraan.

2902
02:28:57,960 --> 02:28:59,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, I want to understand from DOE,

2903
02:29:00,140 --> 02:29:02,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ano na ba yung mga strategies natin?

2904
02:29:02,580 --> 02:29:03,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And I remember during the

2905
02:29:03,940 --> 02:29:05,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: LEDOC, Secretary, you were there.

2906
02:29:06,020 --> 02:29:07,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: The President was

2907
02:29:07,580 --> 02:29:10,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: going to issue an executive order

2908
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:11,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to

2909
02:29:11,300 --> 02:29:13,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: only allow electric

2910
02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:15,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: vehicles for new

2911
02:29:15,820 --> 02:29:16,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: purchases of government.

2912
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:19,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kumusta na yung

2913
02:29:19,940 --> 02:29:21,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ION na yun? So, that

2914
02:29:21,540 --> 02:29:23,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: government itself,

2915
02:29:23,860 --> 02:29:25,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: will be mandated to buy

2916
02:29:25,720 --> 02:29:27,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: electric vehicles?

2917
02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:29,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: First off, Madam Chair,

2918
02:29:30,660 --> 02:29:31,180
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: transportation

2919
02:29:31,180 --> 02:29:33,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: uses, is the

2920
02:29:33,580 --> 02:29:35,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: biggest consumer of

2921
02:29:35,880 --> 02:29:38,740
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: petroleum. It's 60%.

2922
02:29:38,740 --> 02:29:40,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, tama yung

2923
02:29:40,120 --> 02:29:41,980
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: direction na i-electrify siya.

2924
02:29:42,760 --> 02:29:44,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Right now, we have

2925
02:29:44,380 --> 02:29:46,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: submitted a proposal

2926
02:29:46,320 --> 02:29:48,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to the Office of the President for the

2927
02:29:48,320 --> 02:29:49,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: executive order na

2928
02:29:49,500 --> 02:29:52,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: future procurement of the

2929
02:29:52,040 --> 02:29:53,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: national government, except for some of the other things.

2930
02:29:53,860 --> 02:29:56,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: cases na dapat

2931
02:29:56,320 --> 02:29:57,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ano na siya, electric

2932
02:29:57,840 --> 02:29:58,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: vehicles na siya.

2933
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:09,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: There has been an upsurge in the sales of electric vehicles this past, this recent months.

2934
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:20,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And I think if Madam Chair, Director Patrick can further explain what have we been doing and what we plan to do to build this momentum also.

2935
02:30:23,240 --> 02:30:26,120
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Thank you, Madam Chair.

2936
02:30:26,120 --> 02:30:31,620
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: In relation to what the Secretary has said, we've been monitoring the increasing number of sales.

2937
02:30:32,120 --> 02:30:40,600
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We ended 2025 with more than 60,000 registered motor vehicles per the DOTR LTO, Land Transportation Office.

2938
02:30:41,060 --> 02:30:48,480
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: This time, as of the end of August, we've reached already more than 60,000 electric vehicles by way of sales.

2939
02:30:48,940 --> 02:30:53,480
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: This is the combined sales figures coming from the CAMPI as well as EVA.

2940
02:30:53,480 --> 02:30:55,480
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: So we expect to end 2026.

2941
02:30:56,120 --> 02:31:01,120
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: With more than 100,000 registered electric vehicles.

2942
02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:15,460
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: If you're inquiring as to the breakdown of the electric vehicles for sale, the one out of four, around 25% of the 60,000 that has been sold in 2026 is already battery electric vehicles.

2943
02:31:15,980 --> 02:31:21,120
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: The next share would be our hybrid electric vehicles, around 31%.

2944
02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:25,320
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And the remaining balance is the hybrid electric vehicles, Mr. Chair.

2945
02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:31,340
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: With the permission of the Secretary, we are constantly monitoring the developments right now.

2946
02:31:31,780 --> 02:31:40,540
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We take note of the recent pronouncement on the part of a private shipping company on barring electric vehicles.

2947
02:31:40,580 --> 02:31:43,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I was going to ask that in Montenegro lines.

2948
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:49,660
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: What we'd like to indicate, Mr. Chair, is that we've already coordinated with Marina on the matter.

2949
02:31:50,300 --> 02:31:56,100
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: There's an ongoing review at the interagency level to update the rules.

2950
02:31:56,120 --> 02:32:00,420
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And regulations with respect to the transport of electric vehicles.

2951
02:32:00,540 --> 02:32:07,200
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Right now, the existing regulations doesn't specifically prohibit the transport of electric vehicles.

2952
02:32:07,420 --> 02:32:11,000
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: It falls within the ambit of hazardous transport materials.

2953
02:32:11,480 --> 02:32:19,320
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: So we are now working with Marina for the issuance of specific regulations so that our shipping lines would be properly guided.

2954
02:32:19,320 --> 02:32:24,020
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We also take note of the recent incident, I think, in Quezon City.

2955
02:32:24,560 --> 02:32:25,640
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We're in a townhome.

2956
02:32:26,120 --> 02:32:31,960
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: It was possibly been subject to a fire due to an electric scooter.

2957
02:32:32,600 --> 02:32:41,320
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We'd like to take this opportunity to put on record that we are in coordination using the Evida Technical Working Group with the Bureau of Fire Protection.

2958
02:32:41,320 --> 02:32:51,360
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And today, the Bureau of Fire Protection, with DOE participating and other stakeholders, is presently updating the fire code implementing rules and guidelines

2959
02:32:51,360 --> 02:32:55,400
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: so that our fire protection personnel will also be able to reach the airport.

2960
02:32:56,120 --> 02:32:58,180
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: be appropriately guided for

2961
02:32:58,180 --> 02:32:59,300
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: those instances, Mr. Chair.

2962
02:33:00,120 --> 02:33:02,360
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And then for the manufacturing,

2963
02:33:03,180 --> 02:33:04,180
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: we take note that

2964
02:33:04,180 --> 02:33:05,760
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the President about a month ago

2965
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:08,080
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: issued the Electric Vehicle

2966
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:10,340
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Incentive Strategy under Executive

2967
02:33:10,340 --> 02:33:11,960
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Order 121.

2968
02:33:12,740 --> 02:33:14,240
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: The DOE is a member

2969
02:33:14,240 --> 02:33:16,040
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the Interagency Committee

2970
02:33:16,040 --> 02:33:18,000
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: under that, and we are

2971
02:33:18,000 --> 02:33:20,020
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: poised to convene with the designation

2972
02:33:20,020 --> 02:33:21,900
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the other agency heads

2973
02:33:21,900 --> 02:33:24,220
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for that, Mr. Chair. We expect

2974
02:33:24,220 --> 02:33:26,320
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: that if the EVIS

2975
02:33:26,320 --> 02:33:28,120
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: is implemented in the

2976
02:33:28,120 --> 02:33:29,960
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: next two years, maximum

2977
02:33:29,960 --> 02:33:31,340
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: assistance for

2978
02:33:31,340 --> 02:33:34,040
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: end users, if it's

2979
02:33:34,040 --> 02:33:36,060
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: passed on to end users, will be up to

2980
02:33:36,060 --> 02:33:38,160
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 200,000 for locally

2981
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:40,240
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: manufactured electric vehicles

2982
02:33:40,240 --> 02:33:42,120
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in the country. The program

2983
02:33:42,120 --> 02:33:44,200
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: is good for three

2984
02:33:44,200 --> 02:33:46,140
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: companies, a maximum of two

2985
02:33:46,140 --> 02:33:47,460
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: models each.

2986
02:33:48,940 --> 02:33:50,080
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: With your permission,

2987
02:33:50,260 --> 02:33:51,980
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: I think you can inquire with the Board of

2988
02:33:51,980 --> 02:33:53,840
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Investments being the lead agency,

2989
02:33:53,840 --> 02:33:55,020
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: but they have already

2990
02:33:55,020 --> 02:33:57,440
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: signified that at least one

2991
02:33:57,440 --> 02:33:59,780
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: car manufacturer is

2992
02:33:59,780 --> 02:34:01,700
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: interested in availing one or more

2993
02:34:01,700 --> 02:34:03,660
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the models for the EV

2994
02:34:03,660 --> 02:34:05,060
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Incentive Strategy, Mr. Chair.

2995
02:34:05,900 --> 02:34:07,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Just two more questions,

2996
02:34:08,080 --> 02:34:08,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Director Patrick.

2997
02:34:09,780 --> 02:34:11,700
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes, please. Before you leave the

2998
02:34:11,700 --> 02:34:13,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: topic on EVs, I don't know

2999
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:14,500
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: if I missed it.

3000
02:34:15,780 --> 02:34:17,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Did you mention anything

3001
02:34:17,560 --> 02:34:19,440
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: specifically on PUVs

3002
02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:21,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: or EVs lang in general?

3003
02:34:22,960 --> 02:34:23,820
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair,

3004
02:34:23,840 --> 02:34:25,380
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the PUV,

3005
02:34:25,660 --> 02:34:27,540
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: there is an ongoing updating

3006
02:34:27,540 --> 02:34:29,620
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the

3007
02:34:29,620 --> 02:34:31,780
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: plan from the

3008
02:34:31,780 --> 02:34:33,820
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: DOTR, the program, so that

3009
02:34:33,820 --> 02:34:35,820
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the incentives provided

3010
02:34:35,820 --> 02:34:37,640
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the

3011
02:34:37,640 --> 02:34:39,700
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: modernization matches

3012
02:34:39,700 --> 02:34:41,920
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the cost for public transport.

3013
02:34:42,420 --> 02:34:43,860
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We also take note, based on

3014
02:34:43,860 --> 02:34:45,500
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the monitoring, that

3015
02:34:45,500 --> 02:34:47,500
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: recently the Land Transportation

3016
02:34:47,500 --> 02:34:49,340
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Franchising Regulatory Board,

3017
02:34:49,440 --> 02:34:51,380
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: LTFRB, issued

3018
02:34:51,380 --> 02:34:53,220
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: a call

3019
02:34:53,220 --> 02:34:53,780
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for

3020
02:34:53,840 --> 02:34:56,140
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 7,000 to 8,000 franchises

3021
02:34:56,140 --> 02:34:57,800
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: exclusively for electric

3022
02:34:57,800 --> 02:34:59,560
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: vehicles in compliance with

3023
02:34:59,560 --> 02:35:01,900
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the EVIDA itself that says

3024
02:35:01,900 --> 02:35:03,460
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: to provide preferential

3025
02:35:03,460 --> 02:35:06,080
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: licensing for electric

3026
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:07,020
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: vehicles, Madam Chair.

3027
02:35:07,660 --> 02:35:09,620
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So the lead agency is DOTR?

3028
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:11,920
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair, for the

3029
02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:13,940
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: franchising, yes, but

3030
02:35:13,940 --> 02:35:15,760
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the EVIDA itself, it's

3031
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:17,900
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: DOE. That's why we're able to report on this.

3032
02:35:18,020 --> 02:35:18,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you.

3033
02:35:18,220 --> 02:35:20,480
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yeah, and it's very thorough. Thank you for that.

3034
02:35:21,260 --> 02:35:22,060
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I just want to

3035
02:35:22,060 --> 02:35:23,700
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: mention,

3036
02:35:23,840 --> 02:35:25,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to you, and

3037
02:35:25,220 --> 02:35:27,720
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I might have taken this up with

3038
02:35:27,720 --> 02:35:29,280
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: DOTR and not here, so

3039
02:35:29,280 --> 02:35:31,840
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: just remind me, Secretary Garin, if you've

3040
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:33,720
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: heard me talk about this, but

3041
02:35:33,720 --> 02:35:36,000
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: this is

3042
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:37,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: my other hat as a

3043
02:35:37,560 --> 02:35:39,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: former, ah, former

3044
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:41,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ba ko? Am I still the culture

3045
02:35:41,660 --> 02:35:43,880
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and arts? Am I? No, I'm not. I'm former.

3046
02:35:44,380 --> 02:35:45,320
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ...

3047
02:35:46,420 --> 02:35:47,820
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay, so I am handling the budget

3048
02:35:47,820 --> 02:35:49,840
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: of culture and arts. Di ko na maalala kung ano.

3049
02:35:51,560 --> 02:35:53,800
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I wanted to ensure, and I've

3050
02:35:53,840 --> 02:35:55,600
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: discussed it in the past, that yung

3051
02:35:55,600 --> 02:35:57,500
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: jeepneys are a very colorful,

3052
02:35:57,880 --> 02:35:59,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: meaningful, vibrant

3053
02:35:59,760 --> 02:36:01,380
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: part of our

3054
02:36:01,380 --> 02:36:03,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: heritage and culture.

3055
02:36:03,660 --> 02:36:05,860
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So when we, even before

3056
02:36:05,860 --> 02:36:07,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: talks of EV, yung mga modern,

3057
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:09,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: wala na, hindi na inaabala,

3058
02:36:09,580 --> 02:36:11,340
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nalagyan ng mga, ano,

3059
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:13,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ng mga artwork, yung mga

3060
02:36:13,360 --> 02:36:15,920
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yung kapalit ng,

3061
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:17,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: in fact, kahit yung ibang jeep nga, parang

3062
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:19,540
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: stainless lang, pangit-pangit, and

3063
02:36:19,540 --> 02:36:23,800
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there's enough evidence that tells us,

3064
02:36:23,840 --> 02:36:25,580
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that when we see beautiful things, it makes us

3065
02:36:25,580 --> 02:36:27,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: happy. So nastuck ka na nga sa traffic,

3066
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:29,700
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: lumanghap ka na nga sa katutak na

3067
02:36:29,700 --> 02:36:31,960
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: usok, at least may makita kang magagandang

3068
02:36:31,960 --> 02:36:33,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kulay, di ba? So

3069
02:36:33,560 --> 02:36:35,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: can you make sure that's part of the

3070
02:36:35,560 --> 02:36:37,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: agenda? Because, and then

3071
02:36:37,120 --> 02:36:39,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we'll employ local artists, so on

3072
02:36:39,660 --> 02:36:40,700
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and so forth. Second point,

3073
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:43,860
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I read an article recently

3074
02:36:43,860 --> 02:36:45,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that

3075
02:36:45,560 --> 02:36:47,140
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there's a

3076
02:36:47,140 --> 02:36:49,520
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: jeepney manufacturer,

3077
02:36:49,660 --> 02:36:50,940
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there's just a few in the country, no?

3078
02:36:51,620 --> 02:36:53,140
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But not them pa nga.

3079
02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:55,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The one I'm more familiar with, kasi it really

3080
02:36:55,760 --> 02:36:57,420
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: died na, is

3081
02:36:57,420 --> 02:36:59,780
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: a town in Cavite, na

3082
02:36:59,780 --> 02:37:01,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: known talaga. Like, it

3083
02:37:01,660 --> 02:37:02,820
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: was so inspiring,

3084
02:37:03,000 --> 02:37:05,800
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: President, kasi, I don't know if it

3085
02:37:05,800 --> 02:37:07,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: was 30, 50 years ago, like

3086
02:37:07,660 --> 02:37:09,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the whole town was involved from

3087
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:11,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the, from those who can

3088
02:37:11,560 --> 02:37:13,460
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: have the funding to invest in the

3089
02:37:13,460 --> 02:37:15,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: manufacture to the specialization on

3090
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:17,700
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the machine and everything. They produced

3091
02:37:17,700 --> 02:37:19,940
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: jeepneys, tapos unti-unti nang namatay.

3092
02:37:20,380 --> 02:37:21,800
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So it would be a great way,

3093
02:37:21,900 --> 02:37:23,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you know, I think we have to, I'll

3094
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:25,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: be happy to initiate talks

3095
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:27,520
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: with DTI, pero I'm just

3096
02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:29,720
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: parking it with you. I'll tell you the name of the town later

3097
02:37:29,720 --> 02:37:31,540
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kasi best friend ng son ko

3098
02:37:31,540 --> 02:37:33,400
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: dun, taga doon sa town na yan.

3099
02:37:34,120 --> 02:37:35,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Na buhayin naman natin yung

3100
02:37:35,640 --> 02:37:37,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: industry na yun, diba? Kasi

3101
02:37:37,220 --> 02:37:39,800
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the only, I mean the, what do you

3102
02:37:39,800 --> 02:37:41,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: call it, the hard shell of the

3103
02:37:41,560 --> 02:37:43,780
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: vehicle shouldn't really change,

3104
02:37:43,820 --> 02:37:45,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: right? And so anyway, I'm

3105
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:46,840
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: just parking that because

3106
02:37:46,840 --> 02:37:49,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: these small economies,

3107
02:37:49,980 --> 02:37:51,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you know, rely on our

3108
02:37:51,680 --> 02:37:53,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: vision to thrive. And in

3109
02:37:53,640 --> 02:37:55,580
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: this case, namatay na, buhayin natin ulit

3110
02:37:55,580 --> 02:37:57,740
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: in the same way na binubuhayin nyo yung geothermal,

3111
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:00,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yung natural gas,

3112
02:38:00,100 --> 02:38:01,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: dibuhayin din natin yung industry

3113
02:38:01,660 --> 02:38:03,160
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: na to. So yun lang.

3114
02:38:03,380 --> 02:38:04,140
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, Madam Chair.

3115
02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:06,100
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: For example,

3116
02:38:07,380 --> 02:38:09,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOST is developing

3117
02:38:09,340 --> 02:38:11,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a technology na pwede nilang

3118
02:38:11,900 --> 02:38:13,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: how do you call that?

3119
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:14,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I-retrofit

3120
02:38:14,480 --> 02:38:17,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yung mga tricycle natin

3121
02:38:17,500 --> 02:38:18,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: into electric.

3122
02:38:20,020 --> 02:38:21,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOST is developing

3123
02:38:21,460 --> 02:38:23,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a technology na may kit sila,

3124
02:38:23,640 --> 02:38:25,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: may i-retrofit mo yung tricycle mo

3125
02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:27,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: into electric without changing the

3126
02:38:27,720 --> 02:38:28,980
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: whole image.

3127
02:38:29,340 --> 02:38:31,740
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We'll coordinate with DOST and maybe

3128
02:38:31,740 --> 02:38:33,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: developing it for jeepneys also.

3129
02:38:36,140 --> 02:38:39,500
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: My senior staff is reminding me,

3130
02:38:39,560 --> 02:38:41,420
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yes, exactly, that was my amendment pala.

3131
02:38:41,540 --> 02:38:42,780
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So I was, I

3132
02:38:42,780 --> 02:38:45,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I'm trying to recall because

3133
02:38:45,560 --> 02:38:47,480
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: when I remember doing the amendment, then I

3134
02:38:47,480 --> 02:38:49,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: park it with the agencies, remind them of

3135
02:38:49,560 --> 02:38:51,700
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: it, and yan, binubuhay ko lang.

3136
02:38:51,780 --> 02:38:53,480
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Naalala mo pa kaysa sa akin. Yes,

3137
02:38:53,480 --> 02:38:55,440
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: thank you. So nasa batas yan, required

3138
02:38:55,440 --> 02:38:57,200
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: yan. And the

3139
02:38:57,200 --> 02:38:59,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: agency to coordinate with is NCCA

3140
02:38:59,640 --> 02:39:01,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kasi sila naman yung expert, hindi naman ako.

3141
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:03,340
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead,

3142
02:39:03,680 --> 02:39:04,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: SP. Thank you,

3143
02:39:05,740 --> 02:39:07,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairperson

3144
02:39:07,620 --> 02:39:09,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pia. Two things

3145
02:39:09,500 --> 02:39:10,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: lang, Director

3146
02:39:10,380 --> 02:39:12,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Patrick. Itong

3147
02:39:12,940 --> 02:39:15,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong nangyari

3148
02:39:15,660 --> 02:39:17,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sa Montenegro lines, isolated

3149
02:39:17,580 --> 02:39:19,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: case to. It's a policy

3150
02:39:19,420 --> 02:39:21,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na bawal ang EV sa mga

3151
02:39:21,480 --> 02:39:23,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: RORO. Kasi we're, our

3152
02:39:23,480 --> 02:39:25,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nation eh. Lahat dito

3153
02:39:25,480 --> 02:39:27,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: gumagamit ng RORO, lalo na sa

3154
02:39:27,200 --> 02:39:29,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: probinsya. E kung pagbabawalan

3155
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:31,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng EV, disincentive

3156
02:39:31,700 --> 02:39:33,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yun sa mga bibili sa

3157
02:39:33,380 --> 02:39:35,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: probinsya. Is this an isolated case?

3158
02:39:35,420 --> 02:39:37,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: May policy ba ang

3159
02:39:37,400 --> 02:39:39,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Marina sa ganyan?

3160
02:39:40,200 --> 02:39:41,680
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Mr. Chair, as I mentioned,

3161
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:43,600
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the guidelines

3162
02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:45,700
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: right now of Marina doesn't have specific

3163
02:39:45,700 --> 02:39:47,340
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: rules for electric

3164
02:39:47,340 --> 02:39:49,760
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: vehicles. That's why we're

3165
02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:51,480
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: coordinating with them to come out

3166
02:39:51,480 --> 02:39:53,360
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: with a new guidance specifically

3167
02:39:53,360 --> 02:39:54,680
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: to address this concern.

3168
02:39:55,600 --> 02:39:56,980
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Incidentally, Mr. Chair,

3169
02:39:57,220 --> 02:39:59,620
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair, this is not the first instance

3170
02:39:59,620 --> 02:40:01,560
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: wherein a shipping line has issued

3171
02:40:01,560 --> 02:40:02,380
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: something similar.

3172
02:40:03,080 --> 02:40:05,600
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We saw this happen about a year

3173
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:07,480
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: ago with another

3174
02:40:07,480 --> 02:40:09,600
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: shipping line as a knee-jerk

3175
02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:11,700
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: reaction whenever there is a fire.

3176
02:40:12,260 --> 02:40:13,660
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: I think the fire being referred

3177
02:40:13,660 --> 02:40:15,520
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: to here, Mr. Chair, for the

3178
02:40:15,520 --> 02:40:17,500
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: record is the one that happened

3179
02:40:17,500 --> 02:40:19,580
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in Coron, but that is not

3180
02:40:19,580 --> 02:40:21,360
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: a vessel owned by Montenegro.

3181
02:40:21,940 --> 02:40:23,280
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Based on our coordination,

3182
02:40:23,360 --> 02:40:25,140
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the investigation is still ongoing.

3183
02:40:26,060 --> 02:40:27,640
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: What is factual

3184
02:40:27,640 --> 02:40:28,680
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in that instance

3185
02:40:28,680 --> 02:40:31,620
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the committee and for the rest of the appreciation

3186
02:40:31,620 --> 02:40:33,560
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: is that there was an electric

3187
02:40:33,560 --> 02:40:35,760
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: vehicle in the vessel

3188
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:37,420
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in Coron, but there were also

3189
02:40:37,420 --> 02:40:39,340
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: internal combustion engines.

3190
02:40:40,120 --> 02:40:41,620
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: That's why there is no finding yet

3191
02:40:41,620 --> 02:40:43,260
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: that the fire

3192
02:40:43,260 --> 02:40:45,320
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: was caused by the electric vehicle.

3193
02:40:45,720 --> 02:40:47,040
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: But in any event, Mr. Chair,

3194
02:40:47,480 --> 02:40:49,060
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: the DOE, through the

3195
02:40:49,060 --> 02:40:51,040
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: EVIDA Technical Working Group, is coordinating

3196
02:40:51,040 --> 02:40:53,100
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: with Marina and the Bureau of Fire Protection.

3197
02:40:53,360 --> 02:40:55,440
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: To come out with updated guidance

3198
02:40:55,440 --> 02:40:57,320
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: so that all of our

3199
02:40:57,320 --> 02:40:59,600
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: government is aware on how to proceed

3200
02:40:59,600 --> 02:40:59,960
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: on this.

3201
02:41:00,540 --> 02:41:03,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you for that. Itong binabasa ko yung Montenegro lines.

3202
02:41:05,740 --> 02:41:07,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Wherein the

3203
02:41:07,380 --> 02:41:09,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: initial investigation indicates

3204
02:41:09,220 --> 02:41:11,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: that the explosion might have

3205
02:41:11,320 --> 02:41:13,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: originated, may have originated

3206
02:41:13,420 --> 02:41:15,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: from an electric vehicle.

3207
02:41:15,500 --> 02:41:17,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So I think yun yung, yun ba

3208
02:41:17,160 --> 02:41:19,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang initial investigation? Parang yun ang

3209
02:41:19,360 --> 02:41:21,220
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: That's based on

3210
02:41:21,220 --> 02:41:23,180
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: our coordination, Mr. Chair.

3211
02:41:23,360 --> 02:41:25,220
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Is that, what is an established

3212
02:41:25,220 --> 02:41:27,300
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: fact is there was an electric vehicle

3213
02:41:27,300 --> 02:41:29,140
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: but that particular

3214
02:41:29,140 --> 02:41:31,460
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: portion has not yet come out

3215
02:41:31,460 --> 02:41:33,140
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: in any official government

3216
02:41:33,140 --> 02:41:35,220
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: investigation. So it's a, I think

3217
02:41:35,220 --> 02:41:37,080
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: a proactive approach of Montenegro

3218
02:41:37,080 --> 02:41:39,100
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for their vessel safety and

3219
02:41:39,100 --> 02:41:41,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the riding. Well, hindi natin pwede

3220
02:41:41,240 --> 02:41:43,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: isalang-alang yung safety

3221
02:41:43,260 --> 02:41:45,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng mga pasahero. That's number one.

3222
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:47,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But it's important to get

3223
02:41:47,260 --> 02:41:48,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: clarity

3224
02:41:48,920 --> 02:41:50,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: dahil nga

3225
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:53,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: iniisip ko buong,

3226
02:41:53,360 --> 02:41:55,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sa Cebu, Panay Island,

3227
02:41:55,580 --> 02:41:56,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: lahat yan puro ro-ro eh.

3228
02:41:56,940 --> 02:41:59,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Buhol. It will be a

3229
02:41:59,300 --> 02:42:01,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: disincentive to many buyers kung

3230
02:42:01,400 --> 02:42:03,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: hindi sila papayagan.

3231
02:42:03,580 --> 02:42:05,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So ano lang, let's

3232
02:42:05,180 --> 02:42:06,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: clear the

3233
02:42:06,620 --> 02:42:08,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: investigation.

3234
02:42:09,240 --> 02:42:10,740
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Copy po, Mr. Chair.

3235
02:42:10,840 --> 02:42:13,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: My second is the charging stations.

3236
02:42:14,140 --> 02:42:15,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Dahil under the law,

3237
02:42:16,340 --> 02:42:17,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: hindi talaga binigyan

3238
02:42:17,340 --> 02:42:19,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng timetable yung rollout ng

3239
02:42:19,060 --> 02:42:20,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: charging station. You know this, Director.

3240
02:42:21,220 --> 02:42:22,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We gave the power to the DOE.

3241
02:42:23,360 --> 02:42:25,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: At marami na akong nakukuhang

3242
02:42:25,320 --> 02:42:27,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mga comments sa mga

3243
02:42:27,520 --> 02:42:29,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: electric vehicle

3244
02:42:29,640 --> 02:42:31,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: owners na yung

3245
02:42:31,160 --> 02:42:32,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: condominium nila kulang ng

3246
02:42:32,900 --> 02:42:35,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: charging station. Sa mall,

3247
02:42:35,100 --> 02:42:36,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kulang ng charging stations.

3248
02:42:38,240 --> 02:42:39,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: The reason

3249
02:42:39,300 --> 02:42:41,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: why we gave the DOE that power

3250
02:42:41,440 --> 02:42:43,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: because we don't know how fast,

3251
02:42:43,320 --> 02:42:45,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: how slow the adoption will

3252
02:42:45,320 --> 02:42:47,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: be. Depending yan on

3253
02:42:47,020 --> 02:42:49,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the situation and many things.

3254
02:42:49,500 --> 02:42:51,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So we didn't put in

3255
02:42:51,300 --> 02:42:53,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the law the rollout of the

3256
02:42:53,140 --> 02:42:55,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: charging station. We gave that power to

3257
02:42:55,080 --> 02:42:57,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the DOE. But right now, wala pa tayong

3258
02:42:57,480 --> 02:42:58,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ganun na circular.

3259
02:42:58,920 --> 02:43:01,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But now, I think we're in a point

3260
02:43:01,080 --> 02:43:03,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: right now that people are looking for charging stations.

3261
02:43:03,760 --> 02:43:05,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And we can mandate

3262
02:43:05,000 --> 02:43:06,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: under the law, DOE can mandate

3263
02:43:06,780 --> 02:43:09,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the installation of charging stations.

3264
02:43:11,180 --> 02:43:12,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: After the circular is

3265
02:43:12,820 --> 02:43:13,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: just

3266
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:16,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: about to be released,

3267
02:43:17,320 --> 02:43:19,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we just need to consider some

3268
02:43:19,000 --> 02:43:21,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: comments lang because some

3269
02:43:21,040 --> 02:43:23,100
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of the commercial,

3270
02:43:23,140 --> 02:43:24,780
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: commercial establishments need

3271
02:43:24,780 --> 02:43:27,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a little more grace period

3272
02:43:27,300 --> 02:43:28,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because of the cost of

3273
02:43:28,900 --> 02:43:31,220
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: installing it also. So that's

3274
02:43:31,220 --> 02:43:32,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: just the only part that we're considering.

3275
02:43:33,080 --> 02:43:34,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But the rest on the condominiums

3276
02:43:34,820 --> 02:43:36,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and all the other establishments,

3277
02:43:36,980 --> 02:43:39,240
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: okay na siya. A few more months.

3278
02:43:39,400 --> 02:43:40,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: A few more days.

3279
02:43:40,560 --> 02:43:43,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Let's follow up

3280
02:43:43,120 --> 02:43:44,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ko lang yung circular na yan.

3281
02:43:45,280 --> 02:43:46,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Again, I talked to

3282
02:43:46,960 --> 02:43:48,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the industry and

3283
02:43:48,840 --> 02:43:50,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: meron na tayo kasing momentum.

3284
02:43:50,880 --> 02:43:52,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So ang hesitating

3285
02:43:53,140 --> 02:43:55,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na lang nung further

3286
02:43:55,040 --> 02:43:56,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: momentum is the charging station.

3287
02:43:57,420 --> 02:43:58,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi pila-pila raw sa

3288
02:43:58,820 --> 02:44:00,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kondo nila dahil iisa lang. So

3289
02:44:00,720 --> 02:44:02,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think it's about time to

3290
02:44:02,900 --> 02:44:04,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: already use that power so that

3291
02:44:04,860 --> 02:44:06,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: establishments can

3292
02:44:06,460 --> 02:44:07,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: be mandated.

3293
02:44:09,640 --> 02:44:11,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Also my condominium

3294
02:44:11,040 --> 02:44:11,400
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: doesn't.

3295
02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:14,720
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: With the permission po of the secretary,

3296
02:44:15,260 --> 02:44:17,080
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: I'll just state the figures po.

3297
02:44:17,180 --> 02:44:17,680
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We now have

3298
02:44:17,680 --> 02:44:21,000
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 1,926 EV charging points

3299
02:44:21,000 --> 02:44:22,060
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: as of today.

3300
02:44:22,060 --> 02:44:23,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And our

3301
02:44:23,140 --> 02:44:24,820
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: target is

3302
02:44:24,820 --> 02:44:26,780
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 7,000 before

3303
02:44:26,780 --> 02:44:29,900
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 2028. So we're almost 25%

3304
02:44:29,900 --> 02:44:30,960
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the way there.

3305
02:44:31,380 --> 02:44:33,360
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: We expect with the issuance

3306
02:44:33,360 --> 02:44:35,060
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: of the joint memorandum circular

3307
02:44:35,060 --> 02:44:37,300
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: with DILG, ARTA,

3308
02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:39,340
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: DPWH and DOE

3309
02:44:39,340 --> 02:44:40,780
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: on the streamline permitting

3310
02:44:40,780 --> 02:44:42,680
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: and operation

3311
02:44:42,680 --> 02:44:45,500
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for the electric vehicle charging station,

3312
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:47,140
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: mas bibilis po yung

3313
02:44:47,140 --> 02:44:48,860
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: pag-rollout ng charging station,

3314
02:44:49,620 --> 02:44:50,060
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair.

3315
02:44:50,620 --> 02:44:51,580
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair,

3316
02:44:51,580 --> 02:44:53,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we're

3317
02:44:53,140 --> 02:44:55,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we're doing several things just to build

3318
02:44:55,580 --> 02:44:56,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on the momentum.

3319
02:44:57,180 --> 02:44:59,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We're doing, we plan to have

3320
02:44:59,620 --> 02:45:00,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: CARAB

3321
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: funds for the EVs, and we're

3322
02:45:02,060 --> 02:45:03,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: rolling out more

3323
02:45:03,340 --> 02:45:05,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: government-funded

3324
02:45:05,500 --> 02:45:07,780
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: charging stations, especially on

3325
02:45:07,780 --> 02:45:09,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: SLEX and NLEX areas.

3326
02:45:10,520 --> 02:45:11,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We're allotting

3327
02:45:11,820 --> 02:45:13,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: more funding for that from the

3328
02:45:13,900 --> 02:45:15,240
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: DOE budget.

3329
02:45:16,020 --> 02:45:17,220
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And then also, we

3330
02:45:17,220 --> 02:45:19,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: are trying to, we are entering

3331
02:45:19,820 --> 02:45:21,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: into agreements with the LGUs

3332
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:23,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because, for example, in

3333
02:45:23,920 --> 02:45:26,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Bataan, they had an

3334
02:45:26,060 --> 02:45:27,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: exclusive agreement

3335
02:45:27,840 --> 02:45:29,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with one company, and the company will

3336
02:45:29,800 --> 02:45:31,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: be the one putting up the

3337
02:45:31,620 --> 02:45:33,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: charging stations, but at the same time,

3338
02:45:33,820 --> 02:45:35,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: they procure their vehicles.

3339
02:45:35,640 --> 02:45:37,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But it works like that, and we're trying to find

3340
02:45:37,760 --> 02:45:39,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: more LGUs that will be willing,

3341
02:45:39,820 --> 02:45:41,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: especially here in Metro Manila.

3342
02:45:41,500 --> 02:45:43,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we're pushing and pushing

3343
02:45:43,020 --> 02:45:44,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because

3344
02:45:44,420 --> 02:45:47,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's difficult to say at what

3345
02:45:47,880 --> 02:45:49,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: point, how many

3346
02:45:49,920 --> 02:45:52,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: charging stations do you need

3347
02:45:52,060 --> 02:45:53,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to have? Because

3348
02:45:53,360 --> 02:45:56,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in some areas, they charge at home.

3349
02:45:56,780 --> 02:45:57,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: They don't need

3350
02:45:57,840 --> 02:45:58,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: charging stations.

3351
02:45:59,800 --> 02:46:01,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We're just pushing lang sa mga highways

3352
02:46:01,960 --> 02:46:03,240
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: lang muna, yung mga major

3353
02:46:03,240 --> 02:46:05,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: thoroughfares, para they won't

3354
02:46:05,900 --> 02:46:07,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: fear traveling to Baguio or going

3355
02:46:07,880 --> 02:46:09,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: to Batangas.

3356
02:46:10,440 --> 02:46:11,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But I think

3357
02:46:11,960 --> 02:46:13,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: at a certain point, it

3358
02:46:13,900 --> 02:46:15,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: will be organically the,

3359
02:46:15,740 --> 02:46:17,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: also the private stakeholders that

3360
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:18,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: will put it up.

3361
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:22,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Well, yun na lang ang kulang,

3362
02:46:22,120 --> 02:46:24,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: that circular. Ako, I believe

3363
02:46:24,120 --> 02:46:25,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: once you release that circular,

3364
02:46:26,980 --> 02:46:28,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: magkakaroon ng mas marami

3365
02:46:28,220 --> 02:46:29,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng charging stations sa mga

3366
02:46:29,680 --> 02:46:31,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: bahay, building, mall,

3367
02:46:31,860 --> 02:46:33,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: offices, and that will encourage

3368
02:46:33,460 --> 02:46:35,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: further adoption

3369
02:46:35,980 --> 02:46:38,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: of electric vehicles.

3370
02:46:39,740 --> 02:46:40,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you.

3371
02:46:40,580 --> 02:46:41,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Secretary.

3372
02:46:41,780 --> 02:46:43,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I'll wait for my second round.

3373
02:46:44,760 --> 02:46:45,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairperson,

3374
02:46:45,620 --> 02:46:48,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: makinig muna ako

3375
02:46:48,320 --> 02:46:48,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: sa iyo.

3376
02:46:51,400 --> 02:46:52,480
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ganito din eh.

3377
02:46:55,840 --> 02:46:57,880
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay na ako sa madaling salita.

3378
02:46:57,880 --> 02:46:58,780
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay na ako.

3379
02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:01,840
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kuklosing lang ako. Pagtapos ka na.

3380
02:47:02,980 --> 02:47:04,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sige, tuloy ko na,

3381
02:47:04,700 --> 02:47:05,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairperson.

3382
02:47:06,060 --> 02:47:07,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I just had a question.

3383
02:47:08,580 --> 02:47:10,180
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Follow up lang ako sa inyo.

3384
02:47:13,620 --> 02:47:14,380
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Do we have

3385
02:47:14,380 --> 02:47:16,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the numbers

3386
02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:17,180
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: of

3387
02:47:17,180 --> 02:47:20,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: during, ever since the crisis started,

3388
02:47:21,020 --> 02:47:21,900
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: do we know

3389
02:47:21,900 --> 02:47:24,080
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: how much fuel

3390
02:47:24,080 --> 02:47:25,480
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we have saved

3391
02:47:25,480 --> 02:47:28,100
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: by virtue of those who are

3392
02:47:28,100 --> 02:47:29,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: using EVs, whether high

3393
02:47:29,660 --> 02:47:31,460
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: hybrid or not? If we do, it would be great.

3394
02:47:31,540 --> 02:47:33,280
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: If not, maybe you can find it. Because

3395
02:47:33,280 --> 02:47:35,240
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you know, it's numbers that

3396
02:47:35,240 --> 02:47:36,300
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: support

3397
02:47:36,300 --> 02:47:39,780
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: this more sustainable lifestyle.

3398
02:47:40,440 --> 02:47:40,960
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Do you have it?

3399
02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:42,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We'll generate.

3400
02:47:43,560 --> 02:47:45,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: You can estimate that naman, diba?

3401
02:47:45,720 --> 02:47:47,620
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Kasi I was also asking my staff ito.

3402
02:47:48,180 --> 02:47:50,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Ito yung tanong ko at ito yung sagot.

3403
02:47:50,700 --> 02:47:52,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, a hybrid car

3404
02:47:52,020 --> 02:47:53,960
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: typically cuts consumption by

3405
02:47:53,960 --> 02:47:57,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 35,000 pesos.

3406
02:47:58,100 --> 02:47:58,860
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Tama ba?

3407
02:47:59,280 --> 02:47:59,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 35,000 pesos.

3408
02:47:59,660 --> 02:48:01,340
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 35,000 to 45,000 per year.

3409
02:48:01,460 --> 02:48:03,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, that's basically 3,000 to 4,000

3410
02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:05,280
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pesos a month. And that's big

3411
02:48:05,280 --> 02:48:07,600
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for a family or for

3412
02:48:07,600 --> 02:48:09,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: an individual. So,

3413
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:11,740
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: with that in mind, on an individual

3414
02:48:11,740 --> 02:48:12,280
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: basis,

3415
02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:14,740
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: this is

3416
02:48:14,740 --> 02:48:17,740
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: meaningful and then we want to see it collectively

3417
02:48:17,740 --> 02:48:19,080
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: because it also helps you.

3418
02:48:19,660 --> 02:48:21,480
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yung stockpile mo na

3419
02:48:21,480 --> 02:48:23,740
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 45 days

3420
02:48:23,740 --> 02:48:25,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: or 50 days, how many yung na-extend

3421
02:48:25,660 --> 02:48:27,880
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: doon dahil nag-i-EV yung mga tao?

3422
02:48:27,880 --> 02:48:28,430
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Diba?

3423
02:48:28,430 --> 02:48:29,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair,

3424
02:48:29,660 --> 02:48:31,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: pre-wire

3425
02:48:31,500 --> 02:48:33,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the savings of

3426
02:48:33,520 --> 02:48:36,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: electric vehicle, the cost

3427
02:48:36,120 --> 02:48:38,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: per kilometer of electric vehicle

3428
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:39,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: is one-third, na?

3429
02:48:39,580 --> 02:48:41,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: One-third compared to diesel?

3430
02:48:42,880 --> 02:48:43,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Is that correct?

3431
02:48:43,480 --> 02:48:46,000
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Correct. Just for the exact figures,

3432
02:48:47,060 --> 02:48:48,080
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: Madam Chair,

3433
02:48:48,580 --> 02:48:49,720
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: if we say

3434
02:48:49,720 --> 02:48:51,660
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 5 pesos per kilometer using an

3435
02:48:51,660 --> 02:48:53,320
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: internal combustion engine,

3436
02:48:53,920 --> 02:48:55,760
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: for a battery

3437
02:48:55,760 --> 02:48:57,360
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: electric vehicle,

3438
02:48:57,820 --> 02:48:59,520
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: that's only 1 pesos

3439
02:48:59,660 --> 02:49:01,620
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: and 50 centavos

3440
02:49:01,620 --> 02:49:03,700
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: to run, more or less.

3441
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:05,840
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: And then for the PHEV

3442
02:49:05,840 --> 02:49:07,720
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: or HEV, it's about 3 pesos and

3443
02:49:07,720 --> 02:49:10,120
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: 50 centavos per kilometer.

3444
02:49:10,380 --> 02:49:11,840
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: So, there's clearly savings as

3445
02:49:11,840 --> 02:49:12,780
DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino: mentioned by the Secretary.

3446
02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:15,080
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: I think to have,

3447
02:49:15,800 --> 02:49:17,900
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you know those regular

3448
02:49:17,900 --> 02:49:19,720
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: tricycle na pag sa probinsya nakita mo,

3449
02:49:19,780 --> 02:49:21,820
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: parang sampu yung nakasakay doon. Parang mukha na

3450
02:49:21,820 --> 02:49:22,860
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: siyang mini-jeep, diba?

3451
02:49:23,440 --> 02:49:25,440
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: [unclear] na din EV

3452
02:49:25,440 --> 02:49:27,420
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: tricycle? Is it some? And if not,

3453
02:49:27,720 --> 02:49:29,540
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: these are things that we should really be

3454
02:49:29,540 --> 02:49:31,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pushing. Kasi, when I talk about this,

3455
02:49:31,800 --> 02:49:33,240
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: sadly, this is probably

3456
02:49:33,240 --> 02:49:35,500
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pang isang tao, yung nagda-drive

3457
02:49:35,500 --> 02:49:38,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to work, at best, mag-asawa,

3458
02:49:38,680 --> 02:49:39,580
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: best, best, best case

3459
02:49:39,580 --> 02:49:41,720
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: scenario, pati mga anak hinahatin, sulit na yun,

3460
02:49:41,780 --> 02:49:43,420
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: apat sila, diba? Pero yung

3461
02:49:43,420 --> 02:49:45,380
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: sulit talaga is yung tricycle na pang

3462
02:49:45,380 --> 02:49:46,040
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: sampung tao.

3463
02:49:46,800 --> 02:49:49,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We do understand. And I think

3464
02:49:49,500 --> 02:49:51,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it will come. Because there are many

3465
02:49:51,660 --> 02:49:53,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: companies with

3466
02:49:53,400 --> 02:49:57,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: they have to design kasi yung mga,

3467
02:49:57,360 --> 02:49:59,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: whether it's battery swapping or charging,

3468
02:49:59,540 --> 02:50:01,700
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: stations, kailangan whole package yan eh.

3469
02:50:02,460 --> 02:50:03,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Kakausapin mo yung toda

3470
02:50:03,480 --> 02:50:05,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: para doon sila magcha-charge and

3471
02:50:05,600 --> 02:50:07,700
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the facilities have to be

3472
02:50:07,700 --> 02:50:09,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there. So, I think it's coming because

3473
02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:11,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a few companies are already here

3474
02:50:11,480 --> 02:50:13,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: exploring that concept.

3475
02:50:13,840 --> 02:50:15,520
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, I just want to make sure we

3476
02:50:15,520 --> 02:50:17,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: create that ecosystem that makes it easy

3477
02:50:17,640 --> 02:50:19,740
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for them. Like, pati yung sa LGU,

3478
02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:21,600
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: equip sila with the knowledge to

3479
02:50:21,600 --> 02:50:23,540
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: help, you know, support yung mga

3480
02:50:23,540 --> 02:50:25,320
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: toda. Kasi, LGUs yung mga

3481
02:50:25,320 --> 02:50:27,320
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nakatutok dyan sa mga toda, diba?

3482
02:50:27,320 --> 02:50:29,520
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, pag hindi rin nila alam kung paano,

3483
02:50:29,540 --> 02:50:31,420
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: matatagalan din. So, let's just

3484
02:50:31,420 --> 02:50:33,460
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: support. Okay, anyway, go ahead

3485
02:50:33,460 --> 02:50:33,980
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and answer.

3486
02:50:33,980 --> 02:50:35,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Just as an example,

3487
02:50:36,180 --> 02:50:37,100
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's with the

3488
02:50:37,100 --> 02:50:39,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: initiative of the private stakeholders.

3489
02:50:40,400 --> 02:50:41,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: For example, they're offering

3490
02:50:41,640 --> 02:50:42,980
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: no down payment

3491
02:50:42,980 --> 02:50:44,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for buses

3492
02:50:44,360 --> 02:50:47,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na pwede nilang gamitin.

3493
02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:49,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, that's, I mean, there

3494
02:50:49,400 --> 02:50:51,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: are many packages now coming

3495
02:50:51,420 --> 02:50:53,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: out. So, I think it's

3496
02:50:53,440 --> 02:50:55,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: just a matter of time na

3497
02:50:55,800 --> 02:50:57,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: magka-catch up na yung industry

3498
02:50:57,500 --> 02:50:59,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: natin, yung transport industry. Because,

3499
02:50:59,540 --> 02:51:01,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: local,

3500
02:51:02,200 --> 02:51:03,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: domestic, and international

3501
02:51:03,480 --> 02:51:05,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: companies are coming in, trying to explore

3502
02:51:05,500 --> 02:51:07,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: where are the opportunities for electric

3503
02:51:07,420 --> 02:51:07,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: vehicles.

3504
02:51:11,620 --> 02:51:13,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you. Thank you, Chairperson.

3505
02:51:15,160 --> 02:51:15,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Autonomous

3506
02:51:15,760 --> 02:51:17,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: vehicle na nga pinag-uusapan natin

3507
02:51:17,680 --> 02:51:18,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ngayon sa ibang bansa.

3508
02:51:19,440 --> 02:51:21,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, pero hindi kaya

3509
02:51:21,480 --> 02:51:23,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: dito. Loko-loko

3510
02:51:23,280 --> 02:51:25,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mga driver dito, mababangga lang.

3511
02:51:29,540 --> 02:51:31,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I'll go to

3512
02:51:31,580 --> 02:51:33,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: PNOC. I saw some

3513
02:51:33,640 --> 02:51:35,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: items in the budget. Sino na ba

3514
02:51:35,740 --> 02:51:37,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ang presidente?

3515
02:51:38,960 --> 02:51:39,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Mother.

3516
02:51:40,700 --> 02:51:41,740
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: That would be

3517
02:51:41,740 --> 02:51:42,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: President Chikoy.

3518
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:45,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: President Chikoy. I saw

3519
02:51:45,900 --> 02:51:47,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: some items in the budget.

3520
02:51:47,640 --> 02:51:48,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron dito sa

3521
02:51:48,480 --> 02:51:50,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 2027 NEP.

3522
02:51:51,780 --> 02:51:53,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Storage tank farm

3523
02:51:53,440 --> 02:51:56,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: project with Maharlika Investment Corporation.

3524
02:51:56,020 --> 02:51:57,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion.

3525
02:51:59,540 --> 02:52:01,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And then, there's also

3526
02:52:01,140 --> 02:52:04,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: strategic petroleum

3527
02:52:04,820 --> 02:52:06,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reserve study with

3528
02:52:06,340 --> 02:52:08,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Japan Meti.

3529
02:52:09,000 --> 02:52:09,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion.

3530
02:52:10,540 --> 02:52:12,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Can we get details

3531
02:52:12,580 --> 02:52:13,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: on

3532
02:52:13,160 --> 02:52:16,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion yung feasibility study?

3533
02:52:17,940 --> 02:52:18,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Mahal, ah?

3534
02:52:19,460 --> 02:52:20,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Is that the amount?

3535
02:52:21,360 --> 02:52:22,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion na feasibility

3536
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:24,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: study? Madam Chair,

3537
02:52:25,760 --> 02:52:26,880
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Senate President, wala na po

3538
02:52:26,880 --> 02:52:28,360
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: yung study na po na 8 billion.

3539
02:52:28,500 --> 02:52:29,520
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Yung 8 billion po na yan, gagamitin na lang po

3540
02:52:29,520 --> 02:52:30,740
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: para dun sa

3541
02:52:30,740 --> 02:52:32,120
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: storage tank farm na

3542
02:52:32,120 --> 02:52:34,740
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: first phase po na magiging 1 million

3543
02:52:34,740 --> 02:52:35,420
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: barrels po.

3544
02:52:36,100 --> 02:52:37,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, wala na itong

3545
02:52:37,020 --> 02:52:38,440
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: itong Meti?

3546
02:52:39,140 --> 02:52:41,040
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Wala na po, Madam Chair.

3547
02:52:41,140 --> 02:52:43,220
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Nilagay lang po yan dyan para pwede pong magamit dun

3548
02:52:43,220 --> 02:52:45,340
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: kung kailangan for the study.

3549
02:52:45,460 --> 02:52:46,940
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: And pwede rin siya gamitin for the

3550
02:52:46,940 --> 02:52:47,880
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: storage tank farm.

3551
02:52:48,300 --> 02:52:50,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We recognize the presence of the

3552
02:52:50,720 --> 02:52:52,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman of the Finance Committee

3553
02:52:52,920 --> 02:52:54,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: na hilong-hilo na.

3554
02:52:57,260 --> 02:52:58,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman JV Ejercito.

3555
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:10,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman Alvarez, itong 8 billion tank farm, a project with Maharlika, this is a joint project with Maharlika Investment Fund.

3556
02:53:11,860 --> 02:53:21,060
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Supposed to be, Madam Chair, pero gagawin po namin yan, mauna na po yung PNOC kasi kung mag-aantayan pa po kami ng Maharlika matagal po.

3557
02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:27,860
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: So, ang gagawin yan, mauna na po ang PNOC and then kung gusto po mag-buy in or pumasok ni Maharlika, pwede po siya na pumasok.

3558
02:53:28,640 --> 02:53:29,500
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Pero uunahan na po.

3559
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:31,400
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: So, ang gagawin na po ng PNOC para gumalaw na po tayo.

3560
02:53:31,500 --> 02:53:33,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Meron ba kayong, can you describe to us,

3561
02:53:33,360 --> 02:53:34,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: tayo magpapatayo ng

3562
02:53:34,860 --> 02:53:37,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: farm, tayo bibili

3563
02:53:37,620 --> 02:53:39,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng inventory, tayo magbebenta

3564
02:53:39,520 --> 02:53:41,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng inventory, how does that work?

3565
02:53:42,700 --> 02:53:43,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Alam mo yung presyo

3566
02:53:43,700 --> 02:53:45,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng langis, up and down, up and down yan.

3567
02:53:45,500 --> 02:53:46,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pag bumili ka ng mataas,

3568
02:53:47,300 --> 02:53:49,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: bumaba yan, lugi ka agad gobyerno.

3569
02:53:49,800 --> 02:53:50,680
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, we need to,

3570
02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:53,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: this is a very specialized

3571
02:53:53,080 --> 02:53:55,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: business. I do agree na

3572
02:53:55,600 --> 02:53:57,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kailangan may reserve, but the

3573
02:53:57,480 --> 02:53:59,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: model of how to do the reserve is a

3574
02:53:59,400 --> 02:54:01,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: very tricky one. Kaya nasabi

3575
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:02,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kanina ni

3576
02:54:02,300 --> 02:54:05,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Senator Erwin, kung mayroong mamumuhunan,

3577
02:54:05,660 --> 02:54:07,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: silang magbibili, silang maglalagay doon,

3578
02:54:08,060 --> 02:54:09,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: may access lang tayo tuwing

3579
02:54:09,620 --> 02:54:13,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: may merong aberration or may shock.

3580
02:54:14,140 --> 02:54:15,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think that's a workable

3581
02:54:15,580 --> 02:54:17,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: model. Pero yung tayo bibili, tayo

3582
02:54:17,480 --> 02:54:19,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mag-hold, that's a very

3583
02:54:19,660 --> 02:54:21,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: risky, that 8 billion

3584
02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:22,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: pwede mawala yan overnight.

3585
02:54:23,280 --> 02:54:25,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, we need to study that carefully.

3586
02:54:25,240 --> 02:54:25,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Sir Chair,

3587
02:54:26,920 --> 02:54:28,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: drawing from the experience of the oil,

3588
02:54:29,400 --> 02:54:31,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: oil crisis,

3589
02:54:32,360 --> 02:54:35,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we bought our own

3590
02:54:35,820 --> 02:54:37,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserves, let's say,

3591
02:54:38,000 --> 02:54:39,780
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for about, almost about

3592
02:54:39,780 --> 02:54:42,140
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 20 billion. Hindi naman naubos

3593
02:54:42,140 --> 02:54:43,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yan. But

3594
02:54:43,260 --> 02:54:45,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: since we don't have any tanks,

3595
02:54:45,640 --> 02:54:47,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we had to resort to renting

3596
02:54:47,420 --> 02:54:49,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or using the tanks of the

3597
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:51,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: private companies. And that's

3598
02:54:51,900 --> 02:54:53,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: costly also.

3599
02:54:53,780 --> 02:54:54,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So,

3600
02:54:54,120 --> 02:54:58,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: having learned

3601
02:54:58,300 --> 02:54:59,180
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: na dapat talaga,

3602
02:54:59,400 --> 02:55:01,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: government, or even a reserve

3603
02:55:01,320 --> 02:55:03,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: should be optimized.

3604
02:55:05,140 --> 02:55:06,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Hence, we need

3605
02:55:06,260 --> 02:55:08,180
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: tanks, the government itself.

3606
02:55:08,840 --> 02:55:10,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Kaya lang, sobrang siyang

3607
02:55:10,420 --> 02:55:12,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: very, it's a very expensive endeavor.

3608
02:55:12,680 --> 02:55:14,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, the idea is to have

3609
02:55:14,320 --> 02:55:15,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: our own reserves, at least to

3610
02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:17,860
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: target about

3611
02:55:17,860 --> 02:55:19,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 60 plus 60 days.

3612
02:55:20,360 --> 02:55:21,860
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 60 days.

3613
02:55:22,300 --> 02:55:23,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 60 days.

3614
02:55:23,780 --> 02:55:25,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: That will come over time because

3615
02:55:25,500 --> 02:55:27,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 1 million is only 5 days.

3616
02:55:28,040 --> 02:55:29,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, but we can

3617
02:55:29,400 --> 02:55:30,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: scale it up over time.

3618
02:55:31,500 --> 02:55:33,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Para magkaroon tayo ng total

3619
02:55:33,480 --> 02:55:35,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: of 60 days na

3620
02:55:35,300 --> 02:55:37,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserve dito sa

3621
02:55:37,320 --> 02:55:39,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Aten. And then,

3622
02:55:39,340 --> 02:55:41,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: including also

3623
02:55:41,540 --> 02:55:43,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the private

3624
02:55:43,400 --> 02:55:45,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: reserve also. So, a total of

3625
02:55:45,440 --> 02:55:47,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 60. Hopefully, we can scale that.

3626
02:55:47,900 --> 02:55:48,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, as

3627
02:55:48,720 --> 02:55:51,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the entity na bagay

3628
02:55:51,440 --> 02:55:53,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: dito, kasi it's Philippine National Oil Company,

3629
02:55:54,140 --> 02:55:55,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's mandated for

3630
02:55:55,340 --> 02:55:57,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: energy security. Hence, we

3631
02:55:57,340 --> 02:55:59,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: assigned it to PNOC,

3632
02:55:59,400 --> 02:55:59,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: my mother.

3633
02:56:00,720 --> 02:56:03,280
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: At coincidentally, they have the

3634
02:56:03,280 --> 02:56:05,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: property na rin. So, ang gagawin

3635
02:56:05,340 --> 02:56:05,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ng

3636
02:56:05,580 --> 02:56:09,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: basic purpose ng reserve

3637
02:56:09,420 --> 02:56:11,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: is just really to secure ourselves

3638
02:56:11,540 --> 02:56:13,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: whenever things like this happens.

3639
02:56:13,640 --> 02:56:15,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And other countries are already doing that.

3640
02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:17,000
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: They do it

3641
02:56:17,000 --> 02:56:19,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in crude oil

3642
02:56:19,300 --> 02:56:20,680
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or in petroleum products.

3643
02:56:21,620 --> 02:56:23,100
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We can do both

3644
02:56:23,100 --> 02:56:25,180
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because it's right beside the

3645
02:56:25,180 --> 02:56:26,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: refinery of Petron.

3646
02:56:26,720 --> 02:56:28,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, pwede siya maging crude na walang

3647
02:56:28,880 --> 02:56:29,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: expiration.

3648
02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:31,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And part of it can be petroleum

3649
02:56:31,320 --> 02:56:33,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: also. But that can come later

3650
02:56:33,300 --> 02:56:34,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: nalang the decision of that.

3651
02:56:34,980 --> 02:56:36,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: MIC can come in, but

3652
02:56:36,340 --> 02:56:39,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: at the same time, we can also

3653
02:56:39,200 --> 02:56:41,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: welcome Adnoc or Masdar

3654
02:56:41,120 --> 02:56:43,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or any other companies to partner

3655
02:56:43,040 --> 02:56:43,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: with PNOC.

3656
02:56:44,960 --> 02:56:46,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Will it sell?

3657
02:56:47,220 --> 02:56:48,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Will it do the commercial?

3658
02:56:49,540 --> 02:56:51,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think it will be more of

3659
02:56:51,020 --> 02:56:53,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: renting it out rather than doing

3660
02:56:53,200 --> 02:56:54,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the commercial side of it na

3661
02:56:54,760 --> 02:56:56,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: si PNOC mismo yung magiging

3662
02:56:56,960 --> 02:56:58,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: core business siya yung magbibenta ng petroleum.

3663
02:56:59,400 --> 02:57:01,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: I think it's more of the storage facility

3664
02:57:01,380 --> 02:57:03,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: rather than the trading of it.

3665
02:57:04,400 --> 02:57:05,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Is that the reason bakit

3666
02:57:05,640 --> 02:57:07,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: nasa contingency fund siya?

3667
02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:10,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Mr. Chair, we requested

3668
02:57:10,080 --> 02:57:11,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that kasi

3669
02:57:11,300 --> 02:57:14,260
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: if PNOC

3670
02:57:14,260 --> 02:57:15,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kasi can only

3671
02:57:15,200 --> 02:57:17,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: access it if it's under

3672
02:57:17,880 --> 02:57:18,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the GAA.

3673
02:57:20,340 --> 02:57:21,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, para wala na kaming

3674
02:57:21,820 --> 02:57:23,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: hihingin sa GAA, i-access na lang nila

3675
02:57:23,820 --> 02:57:24,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: yung corporate funds.

3676
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:26,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi ang kanyang

3677
02:57:26,860 --> 02:57:27,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ah

3678
02:57:27,480 --> 02:57:28,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ah

3679
02:57:29,400 --> 02:57:31,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: categories contingency fund eh.

3680
02:57:33,000 --> 02:57:33,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion

3681
02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:34,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: contingency fund.

3682
02:57:43,760 --> 02:57:44,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But

3683
02:57:44,480 --> 02:57:46,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: contingency fund siya?

3684
02:57:46,060 --> 02:57:48,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It's already in a capital outlay. Parang baka

3685
02:57:48,320 --> 02:57:50,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: baka hindi lang updated sa

3686
02:57:50,340 --> 02:57:51,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ah, okay.

3687
02:57:51,300 --> 02:57:53,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes. It's already in a capital

3688
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:54,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: outlay of PNOC.

3689
02:57:55,940 --> 02:57:56,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tama ba?

3690
02:57:56,980 --> 02:57:57,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Not by me?

3691
02:57:59,400 --> 02:58:00,400
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Sorry.

3692
02:58:01,640 --> 02:58:02,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi, pero nasa

3693
02:58:02,980 --> 02:58:03,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Capital outlay.

3694
02:58:05,360 --> 02:58:07,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Capital outlay pa rin yung

3695
02:58:07,220 --> 02:58:08,720
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: object niya. Pero

3696
02:58:08,720 --> 02:58:10,620
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: contingency fund will work.

3697
02:58:11,980 --> 02:58:12,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay.

3698
02:58:12,820 --> 02:58:13,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay.

3699
02:58:15,800 --> 02:58:17,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Bakit contingency fund?

3700
02:58:17,440 --> 02:58:18,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: What are we

3701
02:58:18,540 --> 02:58:20,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: preparing for?

3702
02:58:21,380 --> 02:58:22,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Diba? Contingency ko.

3703
02:58:22,780 --> 02:58:22,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So,

3704
02:58:22,900 --> 02:58:28,860
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: capital outlay siya sir, under capital outlay?

3705
02:58:29,400 --> 02:58:32,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. Hindi, dapat investment siya, hindi siya contingency.

3706
02:58:32,300 --> 02:58:33,540
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Investment outlay yung object niya.

3707
02:58:33,540 --> 02:58:33,740
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

3708
02:58:35,080 --> 02:58:37,620
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Madam Chair, ah, hindi na po siya kasi, ah,

3709
02:58:37,620 --> 02:58:40,840
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: contingency fund, nasa NEP level na po siya.

3710
02:58:40,840 --> 02:58:44,940
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: So, ah, baka luma pa po yung nakalagay po diyan, ah,

3711
02:58:45,780 --> 02:58:46,860
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: ah, Mr. Senate President.

3712
02:58:47,460 --> 02:58:51,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, hindi, kasi nasa capital outlay siya. So, bibili ka ng asset, diba?

3713
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:52,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ayun pa.

3714
02:58:52,460 --> 02:58:55,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, bakit siyang contingency ang kanyang category?

3715
02:58:56,740 --> 02:58:57,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Eh, hindi na?

3716
02:58:57,740 --> 02:58:58,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Hindi na siya contingency.

3717
02:58:58,400 --> 02:58:58,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ah, okay.

3718
02:58:58,900 --> 02:59:02,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, bibili tayo ng asset, ah, and that, those are the tanks.

3719
02:59:03,420 --> 02:59:03,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tama?

3720
02:59:03,880 --> 02:59:10,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We are, we're, we're spending 8 billion to build tanks in the PNOC facility.

3721
02:59:10,600 --> 02:59:11,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, Madam Chair.

3722
02:59:11,520 --> 02:59:14,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, ah, tanks, the port, everything else that's needed.

3723
02:59:14,440 --> 02:59:20,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And how many, ah, barrels of oil are we thinking of holding?

3724
02:59:21,300 --> 02:59:25,900
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Um, initially po, um, Madam Chair, diyan po sa, ah, 8 billion,

3725
02:59:26,080 --> 02:59:28,140
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: makakagawa po tayo ng 1 million barrels po.

3726
02:59:28,140 --> 02:59:28,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 1 million?

3727
02:59:28,900 --> 02:59:31,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 1 million barrels, ah, in any given time?

3728
02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:33,280
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: Ah, yes, ma'am.

3729
02:59:33,340 --> 02:59:34,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: An ang consumption natin?

3730
02:59:36,280 --> 02:59:37,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, nga, ba 200?

3731
02:59:38,340 --> 02:59:38,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ma 200?

3732
02:59:39,160 --> 02:59:39,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 300?

3733
02:59:42,440 --> 02:59:43,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 200,000?

3734
02:59:44,860 --> 02:59:47,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 400 a day?

3735
02:59:49,260 --> 02:59:54,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, we're just talking about, ah, 2 days, 3 days, no?

3736
02:59:54,840 --> 02:59:55,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Okay.

3737
02:59:55,800 --> 02:59:56,100
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yes.

3738
02:59:56,100 --> 02:59:58,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And, yeah, alam ko mahal, no?

3739
02:59:58,900 --> 02:59:59,920
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I, I know it's, ah.

3740
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, it's a hindi maliit na bagay yan.

3741
03:00:04,580 --> 03:00:09,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But I'm thinking we're spending 8 billion to have an inventory of 2 days, 3 days.

3742
03:00:09,740 --> 03:00:14,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Is that a wise decision?

3743
03:00:15,060 --> 03:00:16,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 8 billion kasi malaking amount.

3744
03:00:17,260 --> 03:00:19,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But in oil terms, maliit yung amount.

3745
03:00:19,620 --> 03:00:24,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, I don't know how 2 days, 3 days worth of inventory can help.

3746
03:00:24,560 --> 03:00:32,560
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, eventually, the private stakeholders can build it.

3747
03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:33,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay.

3748
03:00:34,100 --> 03:00:41,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We are hoping that eventually, this will give the government its own storage.

3749
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:47,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But we want to develop the Philippines as one of the regional hubs for oil.

3750
03:00:48,320 --> 03:00:53,280
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But they come in, they can build their own tanks, or we can build a tank for them.

3751
03:00:53,740 --> 03:00:54,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And they rent.

3752
03:00:54,560 --> 03:00:58,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, there are many possibilities with this project.

3753
03:00:59,580 --> 03:01:05,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Pwede sila yung, pwede naman mag-partner si PNOC with some of the supplier countries,

3754
03:01:05,800 --> 03:01:07,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: or we can partner with MIC.

3755
03:01:07,820 --> 03:01:12,960
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But what we wanted is just to prove a concept that we can do it in the Philippines

3756
03:01:12,960 --> 03:01:18,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and we can develop more because PNOC has the area naman in Bataan.

3757
03:01:20,060 --> 03:01:21,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you for that.

3758
03:01:21,240 --> 03:01:24,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But submit na lang kasi we've been talking about this.

3759
03:01:24,560 --> 03:01:27,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Strategic Petroleum Reserve or Reserve for a very long time.

3760
03:01:28,740 --> 03:01:31,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And medyo nabulaga tayo nung Iran conflict.

3761
03:01:31,720 --> 03:01:38,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And now, I can see that we're doing some concrete actions to build actual tanks this coming year.

3762
03:01:39,360 --> 03:01:40,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: This coming 2027.

3763
03:01:40,540 --> 03:01:46,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: The target of Chico is 2020, ano?

3764
03:01:46,400 --> 03:01:48,120
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: June 30, 2028.

3765
03:01:48,160 --> 03:01:50,180
PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez: At least one tank by the end of next year po.

3766
03:01:50,500 --> 03:01:53,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, just submit to us a write-up.

3767
03:01:54,560 --> 03:02:04,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: A concept paper on this Strategic Petroleum Reserve that will be built by PNOC.

3768
03:02:05,960 --> 03:02:10,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Lastly, sa PNOC, gusto ko lang mag...

3769
03:02:11,260 --> 03:02:12,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I just want to commend PNOC.

3770
03:02:13,460 --> 03:02:18,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Then finally, yung RC na parang limang...

3771
03:02:18,400 --> 03:02:24,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairperson P, parang six years ako naging chairman ng energy family.

3772
03:02:24,560 --> 03:02:30,400
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: At parati kong sinasabi, itong PNOC, RC, i-wind down na dahil nalulugi.

3773
03:02:30,960 --> 03:02:32,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: After six years, nangyari na rin.

3774
03:02:34,260 --> 03:02:39,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, but I would like to commend PNOC for moving for that.

3775
03:02:39,900 --> 03:02:40,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sayang eh. Sayang yung pera.

3776
03:02:41,040 --> 03:02:43,380
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We're losing 200, 300 million a year.

3777
03:02:44,620 --> 03:02:46,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sayang yung pera.

3778
03:02:46,420 --> 03:02:53,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, with that, I'll yield to our chairperson, our chairman, Chairman JV Ejercito.

3779
03:02:54,560 --> 03:02:58,520
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Sir President, Madam Chair.

3780
03:02:58,680 --> 03:03:00,780
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Anyway, I'm here, of course, to...

3781
03:03:00,780 --> 03:03:07,140
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I guess all the issues were already discussed extensively.

3782
03:03:07,440 --> 03:03:14,700
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At aputan ko naman yung issue about the reserves, which are...

3783
03:03:14,700 --> 03:03:23,700
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I'm also interested to wait for yung inyong study or yung inyong special...

3784
03:03:24,560 --> 03:03:26,820
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Also, yung special provision that you would need, no?

3785
03:03:26,900 --> 03:03:27,840
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Alam ko ano kailangan ito.

3786
03:03:27,940 --> 03:03:29,220
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So that it can...

3787
03:03:29,220 --> 03:03:33,620
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So that the budget of the PNOC can be utilized, no?

3788
03:03:33,660 --> 03:03:36,140
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Para magamit ito for the use of the reserve.

3789
03:03:37,100 --> 03:03:37,720
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yun lang siguro.

3790
03:03:37,880 --> 03:03:39,860
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Siguro, quickly lang, Sec.

3791
03:03:40,480 --> 03:03:41,880
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, yung ating reserve, no?

3792
03:03:41,920 --> 03:03:45,640
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Bago nung oil crisis, pag-usapan niya, mga 60 days ang total natin, no?

3793
03:03:45,640 --> 03:03:46,020
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Meron.

3794
03:03:46,020 --> 03:03:50,460
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, with this, yung inyong pong plan, to add some more,

3795
03:03:50,520 --> 03:03:54,540
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ilan yung magiging total natin, yung target natin in the coming year,

3796
03:03:54,560 --> 03:04:02,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Actually, our proposal in Congress on their bill kasi is 60 plus 60.

3797
03:04:03,680 --> 03:04:05,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 30 plus 60.

3798
03:04:05,740 --> 03:04:08,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 30 sa private, 60 sa government.

3799
03:04:09,240 --> 03:04:12,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: That's the long-term objective.

3800
03:04:13,600 --> 03:04:15,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: If we build...

3801
03:04:15,020 --> 03:04:19,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, now we're asking the private na i-30 nila kasi iba niyan 15 lang eh.

3802
03:04:19,880 --> 03:04:21,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, gagawin na nalang 30.

3803
03:04:21,540 --> 03:04:22,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Pumayag na sila.

3804
03:04:23,000 --> 03:04:24,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Ang gobyerno nalang.

3805
03:04:24,560 --> 03:04:25,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Magbibuild up.

3806
03:04:25,400 --> 03:04:27,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Now, we cannot build 60 days of reserve.

3807
03:04:27,900 --> 03:04:29,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We don't have the funds for that.

3808
03:04:30,640 --> 03:04:32,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We will use the interest, no?

3809
03:04:33,040 --> 03:04:35,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: May interested companies na gusto nila magpatayo.

3810
03:04:36,180 --> 03:04:39,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We will help them build their tanks here.

3811
03:04:39,080 --> 03:04:44,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And with the condition na in case of times like the crisis,

3812
03:04:44,920 --> 03:04:47,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there's a preferential treatment to the host country.

3813
03:04:48,360 --> 03:04:51,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yun yung ini-envision namin for this project.

3814
03:04:51,860 --> 03:04:54,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we start with the...

3815
03:04:54,560 --> 03:04:56,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: 2-3 days muna na sa reserve.

3816
03:04:56,820 --> 03:05:02,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And then we'll build it up over the years once magkaroon ng funding or investors that come in.

3817
03:05:04,180 --> 03:05:08,780
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, mga 40, 50 tayo on average now.

3818
03:05:09,240 --> 03:05:11,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, hopefully, we reach double that someday.

3819
03:05:12,700 --> 03:05:18,300
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes, because as you all know, we found out how important it was, no?

3820
03:05:18,300 --> 03:05:23,200
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Especially during itong start ng Middle East conflict.

3821
03:05:23,400 --> 03:05:23,640
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And now,

3822
03:05:24,560 --> 03:05:26,860
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: but kasi we really have to be prepared for this, no?

3823
03:05:27,940 --> 03:05:31,480
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi natin alam kung anong magiging gising na naman ni Trump kasi, no?

3824
03:05:32,340 --> 03:05:36,900
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, we really have to prepare for this and be...

3825
03:05:37,900 --> 03:05:39,260
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We have to do it already.

3826
03:05:39,420 --> 03:05:41,420
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kaya nga kung kinakailangan natin gawin ito.

3827
03:05:41,940 --> 03:05:48,720
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi naman kaya naman agad-agad ito because we know that it entails a big amount, no?

3828
03:05:49,420 --> 03:05:53,900
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But kung kaya natin i-multi-year ganon or at least to start,

3829
03:05:54,560 --> 03:05:58,540
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: because these are things that we really need to do, no?

3830
03:05:59,040 --> 03:06:03,940
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, I support yung sinabi na ating Senate President to give us so that we can review.

3831
03:06:04,600 --> 03:06:06,540
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: In the same manner, parang ano tayo lagi eh.

3832
03:06:06,540 --> 03:06:14,740
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: That, ano, talagang nag-reactive tayo lagi, no?

3833
03:06:15,260 --> 03:06:19,140
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And the same, kakagali ko lang rin sa NIA na meron pa lang yung mga,

3834
03:06:19,600 --> 03:06:23,200
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for example, yung pagwan-pagawa sila ng kung ano-anong ma-irrigation,

3835
03:06:23,360 --> 03:06:24,540
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: pero wala naman tayong bulk water.

3836
03:06:24,560 --> 03:06:29,720
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi kailangan natin retention, no?

3837
03:06:30,080 --> 03:06:31,320
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: During the dry days.

3838
03:06:31,680 --> 03:06:32,540
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi ginagawa.

3839
03:06:32,720 --> 03:06:33,540
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ngayon lang gagawin.

3840
03:06:33,880 --> 03:06:35,900
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dapat should have been done years ago.

3841
03:06:36,280 --> 03:06:39,860
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, that's in the same way that kung kahit balik,

3842
03:06:39,900 --> 03:06:41,480
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: but if we really have to do it,

3843
03:06:41,960 --> 03:06:44,540
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: if we can start on it already,

3844
03:06:45,100 --> 03:06:46,560
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sabihin nyo lang kung next, kung 2027,

3845
03:06:47,460 --> 03:06:51,180
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: if we have to at least start the ball rolling already.

3846
03:06:52,240 --> 03:06:53,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair,

3847
03:06:53,060 --> 03:06:57,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the good thing about this project is it will not be from GAA.

3848
03:06:57,380 --> 03:07:01,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It will be from the corporate funds of PNOC, kaya hindi siya dagdag.

3849
03:07:01,980 --> 03:07:05,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But at the same time, there is a huge possibility na

3850
03:07:05,500 --> 03:07:08,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: private investors ang papasok eventually.

3851
03:07:08,300 --> 03:07:13,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we'll put it at a minimum cost to the government

3852
03:07:13,300 --> 03:07:16,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: on the national coffers, no?

3853
03:07:16,180 --> 03:07:18,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Para hindi siya magagagastos ng government.

3854
03:07:18,460 --> 03:07:22,140
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Because this is a very good commercial activity anyway

3855
03:07:22,140 --> 03:07:23,040
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for those.

3856
03:07:23,060 --> 03:07:25,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, I'm most interested to put it here in the Philippines.

3857
03:07:25,600 --> 03:07:30,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But yes, we have assessed as a reaction also to the Middle East, guys.

3858
03:07:30,800 --> 03:07:34,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We are insecure in terms of our fuel,

3859
03:07:34,900 --> 03:07:37,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: specifically on petroleum products,

3860
03:07:37,980 --> 03:07:39,280
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: even on gas,

3861
03:07:39,840 --> 03:07:41,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and on coal.

3862
03:07:42,360 --> 03:07:44,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, those are the three fuels na

3863
03:07:44,420 --> 03:07:48,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we're trying to develop some kind of terminal or storage

3864
03:07:48,580 --> 03:07:52,980
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: so that we can have at least some security

3865
03:07:53,060 --> 03:07:55,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: for a certain number of days when things happen like this.

3866
03:07:56,140 --> 03:07:56,900
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Madam Chair.

3867
03:07:57,700 --> 03:07:58,320
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Sigur.

3868
03:07:58,380 --> 03:07:59,720
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Just two points, Madam Chair.

3869
03:07:59,880 --> 03:08:02,020
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yung siguro, ano lang naman,

3870
03:08:02,680 --> 03:08:03,900
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: just to give us an idea,

3871
03:08:04,040 --> 03:08:05,360
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ilang power plants na madadagdag

3872
03:08:05,360 --> 03:08:07,240
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: bago matapos yung termino ng Presidente.

3873
03:08:07,360 --> 03:08:08,200
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi during the,

3874
03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:10,600
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I remember during the height of the crisis,

3875
03:08:10,840 --> 03:08:11,520
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: this was this,

3876
03:08:12,780 --> 03:08:15,260
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I mean, we discussed this earlier

3877
03:08:15,260 --> 03:08:17,300
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in previous hearings, no?

3878
03:08:17,300 --> 03:08:19,400
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Na 31 projects pa lang yung ginagawa

3879
03:08:19,400 --> 03:08:22,300
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: out of the 200 generation projects

3880
03:08:23,060 --> 03:08:29,340
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that are intended to be started, no?

3881
03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:31,820
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, update na lang po, Sig.

3882
03:08:32,280 --> 03:08:33,900
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yes, Madam Chair.

3883
03:08:34,840 --> 03:08:37,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We started with 200, no?

3884
03:08:38,300 --> 03:08:40,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And then, where are we now?

3885
03:08:57,020 --> 03:08:58,240
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: About 48.

3886
03:08:59,020 --> 03:09:01,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But we're quite confident, Madam Chair,

3887
03:09:02,000 --> 03:09:03,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that we will complete the 200

3888
03:09:03,800 --> 03:09:07,420
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: before the end of this administration

3889
03:09:07,420 --> 03:09:11,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because most of these are actually renewable energy

3890
03:09:11,800 --> 03:09:16,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: in a total of 10 gigawatts.

3891
03:09:17,580 --> 03:09:19,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, this is highly possible.

3892
03:09:20,220 --> 03:09:22,120
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Just as an example, Madam Chair,

3893
03:09:22,120 --> 03:09:25,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Tera Solar by itself is 3,500.

3894
03:09:26,520 --> 03:09:29,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, it will complete by next year.

3895
03:09:30,620 --> 03:09:34,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, this is very feasible, yung 10 gigawatts

3896
03:09:34,540 --> 03:09:36,340
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: by the end of this term, Madam Chair.

3897
03:09:37,640 --> 03:09:39,460
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: According also to NGCP,

3898
03:09:39,600 --> 03:09:45,440
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 18 power plants are operating on derated capacity

3899
03:09:45,440 --> 03:09:46,600
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: at present.

3900
03:09:47,100 --> 03:09:50,780
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, any updates on the rehab plans and measures

3901
03:09:50,780 --> 03:09:54,200
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: with regards to these power plants?

3902
03:09:55,180 --> 03:09:57,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, hindi lang derated.

3903
03:09:57,240 --> 03:09:59,820
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Yung iba are not working.

3904
03:10:00,920 --> 03:10:03,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Hence, for the problem in Visayas,

3905
03:10:03,540 --> 03:10:04,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there are currently,

3906
03:10:04,760 --> 03:10:06,320
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: there are about six plants,

3907
03:10:07,000 --> 03:10:07,720
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: big plants,

3908
03:10:08,000 --> 03:10:10,520
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: that are still under repair.

3909
03:10:10,960 --> 03:10:13,360
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And we have already set out a schedule

3910
03:10:13,360 --> 03:10:14,700
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kung kailan sila babalik.

3911
03:10:14,820 --> 03:10:16,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: The latest return,

3912
03:10:16,700 --> 03:10:19,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: the last plan to return is November 27.

3913
03:10:19,380 --> 03:10:20,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: And that's very,

3914
03:10:20,820 --> 03:10:22,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: very critical for Visayas and Mindanao.

3915
03:10:23,120 --> 03:10:24,540
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we are,

3916
03:10:26,280 --> 03:10:29,060
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: ERC is doing its monitoring and policing also.

3917
03:10:29,420 --> 03:10:30,580
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: They can discuss that.

3918
03:10:30,680 --> 03:10:32,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But on the side of DOE,

3919
03:10:33,040 --> 03:10:34,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: we are currently monitoring,

3920
03:10:34,880 --> 03:10:36,560
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: actually going around the plants

3921
03:10:36,560 --> 03:10:40,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and as a relief

3922
03:10:40,640 --> 03:10:43,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: until all the plants are back.

3923
03:10:43,940 --> 03:10:46,560
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We are bringing in some barges

3924
03:10:46,560 --> 03:10:49,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: and some batteries to the area of Visayas.

3925
03:10:49,760 --> 03:10:50,600
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But yes, it is true.

3926
03:10:50,600 --> 03:10:52,500
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It's true that many of our plants,

3927
03:10:52,640 --> 03:10:52,980
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's either,

3928
03:10:53,080 --> 03:10:54,080
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's not just the age.

3929
03:10:54,780 --> 03:10:55,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: It's, I think,

3930
03:10:55,700 --> 03:10:56,840
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: it's also has to,

3931
03:10:57,980 --> 03:11:00,760
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: something to do about their maintenance and operation.

3932
03:11:01,180 --> 03:11:02,940
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, that,

3933
03:11:03,140 --> 03:11:05,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: because I think for the engineers,

3934
03:11:07,540 --> 03:11:08,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kahit ano mang age yan,

3935
03:11:09,000 --> 03:11:09,920
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: kung well-maintained,

3936
03:11:10,020 --> 03:11:13,400
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: a 10% or 20% deration is not really,

3937
03:11:14,280 --> 03:11:15,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: should not happen.

3938
03:11:15,760 --> 03:11:18,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we're investigating and monitoring.

3939
03:11:18,460 --> 03:11:19,300
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But yes,

3940
03:11:19,420 --> 03:11:20,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: this is still reactive.

3941
03:11:20,600 --> 03:11:21,640
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: In that sense,

3942
03:11:22,100 --> 03:11:22,620
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair.

3943
03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:24,660
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, thank you.

3944
03:11:25,000 --> 03:11:26,160
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Guys, that's about it.

3945
03:11:26,460 --> 03:11:27,140
Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Madam Chair.

3946
03:11:28,420 --> 03:11:28,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chair,

3947
03:11:28,980 --> 03:11:31,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I just have a few questions to ERC.

3948
03:11:31,840 --> 03:11:32,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think,

3949
03:11:32,300 --> 03:11:34,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: just to follow up lang questions.

3950
03:11:36,420 --> 03:11:37,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: To ERC,

3951
03:11:37,720 --> 03:11:39,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung RCOA natin,

3952
03:11:39,940 --> 03:11:41,020
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: right now,

3953
03:11:41,100 --> 03:11:42,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we are 100 kilowatts

3954
03:11:43,520 --> 03:11:45,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: contestability.

3955
03:11:46,800 --> 03:11:48,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, isong plano na after

3956
03:11:48,180 --> 03:11:49,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Chairman,

3957
03:11:50,600 --> 03:12:00,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: because ako nakikita ko isang paraan para bumaba talaga ang presyo ng kuryente sa atin is to allow us,

3958
03:12:00,600 --> 03:12:03,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: the consumers to choose our generators.

3959
03:12:04,160 --> 03:12:05,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ginagawa na yan sa Singapore,

3960
03:12:05,720 --> 03:12:07,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ginagawa na yan sa UK,

3961
03:12:07,240 --> 03:12:09,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ginagawa na yan sa Amerika.

3962
03:12:10,080 --> 03:12:10,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So,

3963
03:12:11,960 --> 03:12:19,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and yan talaga we bring true competition literally to the doorsteps of our household,

3964
03:12:19,120 --> 03:12:20,240
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to our consumers.

3965
03:12:20,240 --> 03:12:21,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sila nalang pumili

3966
03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:23,560
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: ng kanilang generator.

3967
03:12:24,120 --> 03:12:25,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I know it's a very technical

3968
03:12:25,580 --> 03:12:26,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: endeavor.

3969
03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:28,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: It's not as easy as what

3970
03:12:28,900 --> 03:12:30,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: we think.

3971
03:12:30,440 --> 03:12:31,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But,

3972
03:12:31,140 --> 03:12:32,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I just want to see

3973
03:12:32,060 --> 03:12:33,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: and to hear

3974
03:12:33,080 --> 03:12:34,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kung ano bang plano natin

3975
03:12:34,420 --> 03:12:35,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: to

3976
03:12:35,300 --> 03:12:37,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: achieve true competition

3977
03:12:37,740 --> 03:12:41,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: almost to the household level.

3978
03:12:43,040 --> 03:12:44,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Thank you, Madam Chair.

3979
03:12:44,900 --> 03:12:45,860
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: As regards our

3980
03:12:45,860 --> 03:12:46,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: plans,

3981
03:12:47,680 --> 03:12:48,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: one is

3982
03:12:48,940 --> 03:12:49,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we are

3983
03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:53,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: currently evaluating the performance of the

3984
03:12:53,360 --> 03:12:54,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: CREM

3985
03:12:54,360 --> 03:12:55,700
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the

3986
03:12:55,700 --> 03:12:57,420
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: lowering of the threshold

3987
03:12:57,420 --> 03:12:59,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to 100 kilowatt

3988
03:12:59,280 --> 03:13:01,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the switch became effective

3989
03:13:01,920 --> 03:13:03,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: June 26.

3990
03:13:03,060 --> 03:13:04,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We are also

3991
03:13:04,660 --> 03:13:06,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: at the moment

3992
03:13:06,280 --> 03:13:09,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: drafting

3993
03:13:09,260 --> 03:13:11,160
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the roadmap

3994
03:13:11,160 --> 03:13:13,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: so we can

3995
03:13:13,280 --> 03:13:15,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: provide guidance

3996
03:13:15,300 --> 03:13:16,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the entire industry

3997
03:13:16,920 --> 03:13:18,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: as to

3998
03:13:18,120 --> 03:13:20,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: what will happen

3999
03:13:20,680 --> 03:13:24,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: after the 100 kilowatt threshold

4000
03:13:24,640 --> 03:13:26,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: has commenced.

4001
03:13:26,080 --> 03:13:29,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And together with that roadmap

4002
03:13:29,120 --> 03:13:34,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would be the updating of our Omnibus retail rules.

4003
03:13:34,080 --> 03:13:40,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And to complement the updating of our Omnibus retail rules

4004
03:13:40,640 --> 03:13:49,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would be the rollout of the proposed CAPEX projects of our utilities.

4005
03:13:49,480 --> 03:13:49,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Right now,

4006
03:13:49,920 --> 03:13:51,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we're doing the rate reset

4007
03:13:51,560 --> 03:13:53,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the Group A

4008
03:13:53,320 --> 03:13:53,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of

4009
03:13:53,720 --> 03:13:55,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the power

4010
03:13:55,120 --> 03:13:57,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: under the performance-based regulation

4011
03:13:57,640 --> 03:13:59,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and we're seeing right now

4012
03:13:59,140 --> 03:14:00,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the proposed CAPEX

4013
03:14:00,640 --> 03:14:02,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of our Group A utilities

4014
03:14:02,540 --> 03:14:03,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: dealing with

4015
03:14:03,660 --> 03:14:06,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: their AMI and smart grid

4016
03:14:06,500 --> 03:14:08,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: because this will be important also

4017
03:14:08,600 --> 03:14:09,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in

4018
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:12,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the implementation

4019
03:14:12,680 --> 03:14:14,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the

4020
03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:15,520
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: RCOA

4021
03:14:15,520 --> 03:14:17,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: down to the household level.

4022
03:14:17,480 --> 03:14:19,620
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We have already

4023
03:14:19,620 --> 03:14:20,620
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the infrastructure

4024
03:14:20,620 --> 03:14:22,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and the metering

4025
03:14:22,140 --> 03:14:23,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for the utilities

4026
03:14:23,800 --> 03:14:25,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to be able to

4027
03:14:25,060 --> 03:14:26,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: accommodate

4028
03:14:26,120 --> 03:14:27,860
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the increasing number

4029
03:14:27,860 --> 03:14:29,480
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of contestable

4030
03:14:29,480 --> 03:14:30,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: market.

4031
03:14:30,940 --> 03:14:31,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: We're also

4032
03:14:31,580 --> 03:14:32,900
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: addressing

4033
03:14:32,900 --> 03:14:34,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or looking for ways

4034
03:14:34,500 --> 03:14:36,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to address the issue

4035
03:14:36,200 --> 03:14:37,380
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the stranded

4036
03:14:37,380 --> 03:14:39,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: contract capacities

4037
03:14:39,360 --> 03:14:41,820
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of our distribution utilities

4038
03:14:41,820 --> 03:14:43,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: coupled with

4039
03:14:43,180 --> 03:14:44,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of course

4040
03:14:44,080 --> 03:14:44,520
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the

4041
03:14:44,520 --> 03:14:45,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: possible

4042
03:14:45,760 --> 03:14:47,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: increase

4043
03:14:47,220 --> 03:14:47,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the

4044
03:14:47,480 --> 03:14:48,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: export

4045
03:14:48,320 --> 03:14:50,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: energy

4046
03:14:50,460 --> 03:14:51,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: coming from

4047
03:14:51,660 --> 03:14:52,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: those with

4048
03:14:52,720 --> 03:14:53,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: net metering

4049
03:14:53,720 --> 03:14:54,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and distributed

4050
03:14:54,580 --> 03:14:55,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: energy resources

4051
03:14:55,780 --> 03:14:57,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: because this may also add

4052
03:14:57,780 --> 03:14:58,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to

4053
03:14:58,140 --> 03:14:59,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: these

4054
03:14:59,240 --> 03:15:00,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: stranded

4055
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:02,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: contract capacities

4056
03:15:02,540 --> 03:15:04,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of distribution utilities

4057
03:15:04,540 --> 03:15:05,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and one

4058
03:15:05,360 --> 03:15:07,140
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: possible

4059
03:15:07,140 --> 03:15:10,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: alternative to the distribution

4060
03:15:10,720 --> 03:15:12,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: utility having to absorb

4061
03:15:12,500 --> 03:15:14,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the export energy from the

4062
03:15:14,640 --> 03:15:16,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: self-gen and the DER

4063
03:15:16,600 --> 03:15:18,560
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would be to

4064
03:15:18,560 --> 03:15:20,820
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: allow for the aggregation

4065
03:15:20,820 --> 03:15:22,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or the purchase of this

4066
03:15:22,580 --> 03:15:24,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: export energy by third parties

4067
03:15:24,720 --> 03:15:26,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: like an

4068
03:15:26,800 --> 03:15:28,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: RES for their

4069
03:15:28,740 --> 03:15:30,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: requirements to supply

4070
03:15:30,400 --> 03:15:32,860
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to their contestable market

4071
03:15:32,860 --> 03:15:34,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and also for their RPS

4072
03:15:34,500 --> 03:15:35,420
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: compliance.

4073
03:15:36,640 --> 03:15:38,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Can you give us a sneak peek of

4074
03:15:38,760 --> 03:15:40,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: that roadmap?

4075
03:15:40,980 --> 03:15:41,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Like from

4076
03:15:41,880 --> 03:15:44,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 100 kilowatt this year,

4077
03:15:45,240 --> 03:15:45,600
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mayroon bang

4078
03:15:45,600 --> 03:15:49,080
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: how much

4079
03:15:49,080 --> 03:15:50,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is the reduction next year and how much

4080
03:15:50,960 --> 03:15:52,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: is the reduction the following year?

4081
03:15:54,740 --> 03:15:56,800
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi malaking bagay yan ngayon, mga

4082
03:15:56,800 --> 03:15:58,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: hospitals, schools, office,

4083
03:15:58,740 --> 03:16:00,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: manufacturing

4084
03:16:00,720 --> 03:16:02,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: can now choose their own

4085
03:16:02,360 --> 03:16:05,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: generator.

4086
03:16:06,640 --> 03:16:08,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I'm getting good feedback rin.

4087
03:16:08,800 --> 03:16:11,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Talagang nakakatulong sa negosyo.

4088
03:16:11,880 --> 03:16:12,980
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I'm getting good feedback.

4089
03:16:13,160 --> 03:16:14,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, in other words,

4090
03:16:14,780 --> 03:16:15,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: if you really

4091
03:16:15,340 --> 03:16:18,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: want true competition,

4092
03:16:19,240 --> 03:16:21,040
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: dapat in household may capability

4093
03:16:21,040 --> 03:16:22,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: rin to choose their own generators.

4094
03:16:23,520 --> 03:16:25,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Again, it's easier

4095
03:16:25,060 --> 03:16:26,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: said than that. Alam ko may

4096
03:16:26,780 --> 03:16:28,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mga technicalities. That's why

4097
03:16:28,740 --> 03:16:30,700
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I agree that it should be done

4098
03:16:30,700 --> 03:16:32,220
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: in a very

4099
03:16:32,220 --> 03:16:35,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: orderly manner,

4100
03:16:36,140 --> 03:16:36,760
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: technically.

4101
03:16:38,460 --> 03:16:39,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes,

4102
03:16:39,480 --> 03:16:41,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the phase in

4103
03:16:41,340 --> 03:16:43,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that we're looking at

4104
03:16:43,740 --> 03:16:45,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is lowering the threshold

4105
03:16:45,800 --> 03:16:48,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: further to 50 kilowatts

4106
03:16:48,780 --> 03:16:49,420
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: until

4107
03:16:49,420 --> 03:16:51,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we reach the

4108
03:16:51,580 --> 03:16:53,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: household level and everyone

4109
03:16:53,640 --> 03:16:56,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: would have the right of choice

4110
03:16:56,120 --> 03:16:57,900
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: after that. So, we're

4111
03:16:57,900 --> 03:16:58,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: just trying to

4112
03:16:58,740 --> 03:17:00,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: firm up as the when

4113
03:17:00,840 --> 03:17:03,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the readiness of the

4114
03:17:03,300 --> 03:17:05,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: stakeholders, of all

4115
03:17:05,300 --> 03:17:07,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: stakeholders to be able to

4116
03:17:07,460 --> 03:17:09,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: manage the switch

4117
03:17:09,660 --> 03:17:11,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or the migration of the captive

4118
03:17:11,760 --> 03:17:12,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: customers to

4119
03:17:12,740 --> 03:17:15,780
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: contestable market. And it is

4120
03:17:15,780 --> 03:17:17,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: true, Madam Chair, that we're

4121
03:17:17,460 --> 03:17:19,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: looking at actual cost savings

4122
03:17:19,840 --> 03:17:21,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: by those that are able to

4123
03:17:21,840 --> 03:17:23,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: switch now. And that is

4124
03:17:23,500 --> 03:17:25,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: actually not limited to the 100

4125
03:17:25,800 --> 03:17:27,900
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: kilowatt. If we take into account

4126
03:17:27,900 --> 03:17:28,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: those

4127
03:17:28,740 --> 03:17:30,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that are able to

4128
03:17:30,340 --> 03:17:32,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: aggregate and avail of the

4129
03:17:32,740 --> 03:17:34,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: retail aggregation program,

4130
03:17:34,740 --> 03:17:36,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: where even households,

4131
03:17:36,840 --> 03:17:38,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: ordinary households, if they are

4132
03:17:38,980 --> 03:17:41,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: located in a continuous area

4133
03:17:41,340 --> 03:17:44,380
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: or in a subdivision,

4134
03:17:44,380 --> 03:17:46,380
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: if they aggregate

4135
03:17:46,380 --> 03:17:48,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: themselves and they are

4136
03:17:48,220 --> 03:17:51,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: able to look for a

4137
03:17:51,080 --> 03:17:53,520
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: supplier, they are able to

4138
03:17:53,520 --> 03:17:55,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: avail of

4139
03:17:55,600 --> 03:17:57,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: much lower generation charges

4140
03:17:57,920 --> 03:17:58,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: than those

4141
03:17:58,640 --> 03:18:00,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: being offered to their

4142
03:18:00,200 --> 03:18:02,940
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: neighbors. Like in one case,

4143
03:18:02,940 --> 03:18:05,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we've come across the average

4144
03:18:05,960 --> 03:18:07,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: generation charge of the utility

4145
03:18:07,840 --> 03:18:11,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is at 8 pesos, but the charge

4146
03:18:11,040 --> 03:18:14,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the RES to these

4147
03:18:14,040 --> 03:18:16,260
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: households that were able to enroll

4148
03:18:16,260 --> 03:18:18,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the program would be at

4149
03:18:18,040 --> 03:18:20,520
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: around 5 pesos to 6 pesos or

4150
03:18:20,520 --> 03:18:23,040
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: a percentage or a discount

4151
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:25,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the existing generation charge

4152
03:18:25,200 --> 03:18:28,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the utility which, by itself,

4153
03:18:28,640 --> 03:18:30,400
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: already cost savings for these

4154
03:18:30,400 --> 03:18:32,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: CREM or RAP

4155
03:18:32,280 --> 03:18:33,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: participants.

4156
03:18:33,720 --> 03:18:37,000
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: By next year, kaya na ba to 50 kilowatt

4157
03:18:37,000 --> 03:18:38,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: 2027?

4158
03:18:40,400 --> 03:18:42,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Are you looking at that possibility?

4159
03:18:49,300 --> 03:18:50,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Madam Chair.

4160
03:18:50,500 --> 03:18:52,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: It is possible

4161
03:18:52,200 --> 03:18:54,660
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: because as we have seen

4162
03:18:54,660 --> 03:18:56,420
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in the lowering

4163
03:18:56,420 --> 03:18:58,000
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: of the 100 kilowatt

4164
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:00,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the switch doesn't

4165
03:19:00,580 --> 03:19:02,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: happen all at once for

4166
03:19:02,440 --> 03:19:03,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: all those that will

4167
03:19:03,720 --> 03:19:05,300
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: be

4168
03:19:05,300 --> 03:19:08,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: within the threshold as we've seen.

4169
03:19:10,260 --> 03:19:12,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: The switch would

4170
03:19:12,600 --> 03:19:14,620
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: initially be

4171
03:19:14,620 --> 03:19:16,820
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: slow until there is

4172
03:19:16,820 --> 03:19:18,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that experience

4173
03:19:18,580 --> 03:19:19,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that is

4174
03:19:19,920 --> 03:19:24,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: broadcasted

4175
03:19:25,160 --> 03:19:26,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: among those that may

4176
03:19:26,600 --> 03:19:27,640
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: be able to

4177
03:19:27,640 --> 03:19:29,900
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: also participate and that will

4178
03:19:29,900 --> 03:19:30,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: now

4179
03:19:30,460 --> 03:19:33,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: increase

4180
03:19:33,060 --> 03:19:35,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the switch

4181
03:19:35,120 --> 03:19:37,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: in time and as we

4182
03:19:37,840 --> 03:19:39,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: move forward since we are

4183
03:19:39,760 --> 03:19:41,440
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: able to address

4184
03:19:41,440 --> 03:19:43,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the metering requirements

4185
03:19:43,600 --> 03:19:45,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: now with the CAPEX approvals

4186
03:19:45,680 --> 03:19:47,500
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the rate resets that we're also

4187
03:19:47,500 --> 03:19:49,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: doing for the utilities

4188
03:19:49,060 --> 03:19:51,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: including the

4189
03:19:51,220 --> 03:19:53,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: electric cooperatives

4190
03:19:53,540 --> 03:19:55,620
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: by early next year they'll have

4191
03:19:55,620 --> 03:19:57,180
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: their new rates.

4192
03:19:57,640 --> 03:19:59,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And they'll be able to

4193
03:19:59,240 --> 03:20:00,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: update their

4194
03:20:00,980 --> 03:20:03,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: metering facilities to be able

4195
03:20:03,320 --> 03:20:05,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to cater to the

4196
03:20:05,200 --> 03:20:07,020
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: contestable market including

4197
03:20:07,020 --> 03:20:08,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: those that will belong to the

4198
03:20:08,720 --> 03:20:10,620
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: lower threshold of 50 kilowatts.

4199
03:20:10,620 --> 03:20:13,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: We'll wait na lang for that

4200
03:20:13,180 --> 03:20:14,820
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: reduction next year and

4201
03:20:14,820 --> 03:20:16,320
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: once you have that

4202
03:20:16,320 --> 03:20:18,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: roadmap, pasubmit na lang sa

4203
03:20:18,160 --> 03:20:20,420
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: committee, Chairman.

4204
03:20:20,420 --> 03:20:21,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Mr. Chair.

4205
03:20:21,200 --> 03:20:22,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ito na open up ko na last time

4206
03:20:22,780 --> 03:20:23,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: yung fuel audit, no?

4207
03:20:23,900 --> 03:20:25,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And I heard in your presentation

4208
03:20:25,740 --> 03:20:26,960
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: kanina that

4209
03:20:26,960 --> 03:20:28,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: it's part of your activity.

4210
03:20:28,900 --> 03:20:30,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So where are we now in the

4211
03:20:30,620 --> 03:20:33,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: fuel audit?

4212
03:20:33,520 --> 03:20:36,020
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: After our hearing,

4213
03:20:36,020 --> 03:20:37,720
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: one of the hearings of the Committee

4214
03:20:37,720 --> 03:20:39,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: on Energy, we formed

4215
03:20:39,880 --> 03:20:41,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: an audit, fuel

4216
03:20:41,800 --> 03:20:44,480
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: audit TWG

4217
03:20:44,480 --> 03:20:46,360
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: within ERC headed by

4218
03:20:46,360 --> 03:20:48,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: our Executive Director and

4219
03:20:48,920 --> 03:20:50,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we came out with the

4220
03:20:50,840 --> 03:20:52,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: audit procedure for how

4221
03:20:52,740 --> 03:20:54,740
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we will be able to conduct

4222
03:20:54,740 --> 03:20:56,960
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: such audit and

4223
03:20:56,960 --> 03:20:58,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: for our audit procedure,

4224
03:20:58,840 --> 03:21:01,160
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we will be doing it in batches

4225
03:21:01,160 --> 03:21:02,680
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: and we have started already

4226
03:21:02,680 --> 03:21:04,840
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: with the first batch and

4227
03:21:04,840 --> 03:21:08,060
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the TWG is just completing

4228
03:21:08,060 --> 03:21:10,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: the report to be submitted

4229
03:21:10,920 --> 03:21:12,080
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: to the Commission.

4230
03:21:12,080 --> 03:21:13,880
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And as soon as this report

4231
03:21:13,880 --> 03:21:15,580
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: is submitted, we will submit

4232
03:21:15,580 --> 03:21:17,320
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: that also to the Senate.

4233
03:21:17,320 --> 03:21:19,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ang resolution, there's a

4234
03:21:19,060 --> 03:21:20,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: mechanism and a resolution

4235
03:21:20,540 --> 03:21:22,180
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: on how to conduct.

4236
03:21:22,180 --> 03:21:23,540
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Madam Chair, we have

4237
03:21:23,540 --> 03:21:26,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: already come out with the audit procedure.

4238
03:21:26,800 --> 03:21:39,920
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And included in that is the data request. So our team has already identified the first batch and issued out the letters directing them to submit.

4239
03:21:40,500 --> 03:21:48,520
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And some of those that were issued the letters already submitted so they proceeded with the audit now of those.

4240
03:21:48,520 --> 03:22:02,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Mayroon rin ng mga corresponding penalties or fines if ever di mag-cooperate? Kasi this is a very, you'll rely on the information that they will give eh. Tama?

4241
03:22:03,020 --> 03:22:03,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes.

4242
03:22:03,580 --> 03:22:06,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So paano kung hindi sila magbigay ng information?

4243
03:22:06,520 --> 03:22:16,120
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Next time we will make sure that they will be compelled if they will not voluntarily give these documents or we will consider,

4244
03:22:16,620 --> 03:22:18,520
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: we will not consider any.

4245
03:22:18,520 --> 03:22:30,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Any allowable cost for those without any supporting document. So that by itself will be their penalty because they will have to absorb that later on when we do their confirmation of their pass-through charges.

4246
03:22:30,340 --> 03:22:38,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So mayroon na yun, kumpleto na. May penalties, fines, mechanism, when to submit, how the audit procedures, kumpleto na yun.

4247
03:22:38,340 --> 03:22:44,800
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes po. We issued that and informed the utilities of this audit procedure.

4248
03:22:45,060 --> 03:22:46,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay. And also the GENCOs?

4249
03:22:46,780 --> 03:22:47,460
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes.

4250
03:22:48,520 --> 03:22:48,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Everyone?

4251
03:22:49,180 --> 03:22:49,280
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Oo.

4252
03:22:51,500 --> 03:23:03,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I filed a resolution to that effect, Resolution 581. So once na may movement na doon sa audit, hingi kami ng update and information.

4253
03:23:03,620 --> 03:23:17,880
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So we want to see. Ang importante, Chairman, kung mayroon man nakita kayong discrepancy, meaning the fuel is only this much but it's passed on 2, 3, 4 times higher,

4254
03:23:18,520 --> 03:23:21,160
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: what will be the penalty to that?

4255
03:23:22,540 --> 03:23:24,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ano bang penalty pag ganoon?

4256
03:23:25,260 --> 03:23:31,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: First, we will disallow the cost that is not duly supported.

4257
03:23:31,780 --> 03:23:48,200
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: And second, we'll issue the show cause against the erring entity if it is the generation that is at fault that submitted their cost or supporting documents that are falsified.

4258
03:23:48,520 --> 03:23:49,900
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: But can they do the refund?

4259
03:23:50,600 --> 03:23:51,020
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes.

4260
03:23:51,240 --> 03:23:51,720
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: And so far,

4261
03:23:52,060 --> 03:23:52,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Diba?

4262
03:23:52,400 --> 03:23:52,980
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, pwede.

4263
03:23:53,100 --> 03:23:56,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: You can command a refund because it's the price they passed on is exorbitant.

4264
03:23:57,260 --> 03:24:06,220
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes. Yes, SPN. We will make sure that they will refund on top of the imposition of the penalties.

4265
03:24:06,580 --> 03:24:13,860
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you. Thank you for that. And last question, Madam Chairperson. Ano na ang weighted average cost of capital natin, yung sa WACC?

4266
03:24:18,520 --> 03:24:28,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Kasi that's also another way of lowering down electricity. One number has a far-reaching effect in lowering down electricity.

4267
03:24:30,140 --> 03:24:41,260
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Matagal yan na pa ako sa mataas eh. So, because hindi nagre-reset, hindi nare-revisit, but ngayon nakita ko nagre-reset na tayo. So, how much is it right now? What is it?

4268
03:24:41,260 --> 03:24:48,340
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, the last, before we were able to finally complete one rate reset for Group A.

4269
03:24:48,860 --> 03:25:01,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Just a few weeks ago, we, the WACC that was being implemented based on the last rate reset set more than a decade ago was 14.57.

4270
03:25:01,760 --> 03:25:12,820
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: But in our last decision for one of the Group A DUs, the WACC that we approved was only 13.79.

4271
03:25:13,640 --> 03:25:18,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pagkaunti lang binawas, dapat single digit na yan.

4272
03:25:18,520 --> 03:25:30,240
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: It reflects the current cost. It reflects the current cost of capital we have now.

4273
03:25:31,660 --> 03:25:38,940
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Because that's a factor on what return do we give, what return the government allows the utility to make.

4274
03:25:38,940 --> 03:25:48,480
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, dapat reasonable lang naman. Dapat may return sila, but it should be reasonable within the market range.

4275
03:25:48,520 --> 03:26:09,600
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: Yes, Madam Chair. It is within the market range, except that in the past few months, we've seen interest rates go up and also the cost of capital for equity brought about by a lot of the uncertainties and risks that the investors...

4276
03:26:09,600 --> 03:26:14,840
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I hope na umabot yan to single digit. Andito yung mga commissioners natin.

4277
03:26:14,840 --> 03:26:18,500
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, kompleto ba yung mga commissioners?

4278
03:26:18,520 --> 03:26:21,760
ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan: One who's on sick leave.

4279
03:26:21,760 --> 03:26:24,620
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ako yung usap ko, mapababain natin to single digit.

4280
03:26:26,380 --> 03:26:27,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Tingin ko kaya.

4281
03:26:28,680 --> 03:26:32,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: If you talk about T-bills, that's 4-5%.

4282
03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:37,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Country risk, about 7, maybe another 2-3%.

4283
03:26:38,040 --> 03:26:39,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, that's about 8%.

4284
03:26:40,360 --> 03:26:45,520
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Sabihin mo ng Philippines has more risk, so about 9%.

4285
03:26:45,520 --> 03:26:47,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, I think kaya.

4286
03:26:48,520 --> 03:26:49,060
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: I think kaya.

4287
03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:54,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: So, just put that on the table para pag-aralan lang ng regulator.

4288
03:26:55,940 --> 03:27:00,120
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Because that's one of the fastest way to lower down electricity rates.

4289
03:27:01,840 --> 03:27:02,340
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Madam Chair.

4290
03:27:02,440 --> 03:27:02,740
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you.

4291
03:27:02,740 --> 03:27:04,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you, Madam Chair.

4292
03:27:04,320 --> 03:27:07,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you for the opportunity to propound questions.

4293
03:27:07,900 --> 03:27:08,200
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you.

4294
03:27:08,200 --> 03:27:18,380
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you, Mr. Senate President, for being here because I need your help with the budgetary support.

4295
03:27:18,380 --> 03:27:20,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, you have the energy sector needs.

4296
03:27:21,040 --> 03:27:28,060
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, on that note, everyone, I know with the crisis, you have somehow been in survival mode.

4297
03:27:28,720 --> 03:27:37,420
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But I want to take the opportunity to thank you and congratulate you for navigating.

4298
03:27:38,240 --> 03:27:39,460
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: May kuryente pa naman tayo.

4299
03:27:39,600 --> 03:27:44,160
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But of course, the goal is to really make it 24-7.

4300
03:27:44,160 --> 03:27:48,240
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Even without the energy crisis, they have their...

4301
03:27:48,380 --> 03:27:49,320
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: were challenges.

4302
03:27:50,260 --> 03:27:52,320
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: But I would be remiss in my

4303
03:27:52,320 --> 03:27:53,820
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: job as

4304
03:27:53,820 --> 03:27:56,260
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: the chairman of the committee on sustainable

4305
03:27:56,260 --> 03:27:58,500
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: development goals, innovation, and futures

4306
03:27:58,500 --> 03:28:00,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: thinking if I don't

4307
03:28:00,360 --> 03:28:01,860
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: bring up and emphasize

4308
03:28:01,860 --> 03:28:04,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and end this hearing on

4309
03:28:04,220 --> 03:28:05,980
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: an SDG note. And

4310
03:28:05,980 --> 03:28:07,400
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: SDG 7 is

4311
03:28:07,400 --> 03:28:10,340
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: mag-exam ba ako? Mag-quiz ba

4312
03:28:10,340 --> 03:28:11,780
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ako? Kung alam nyo kung ano yun, ha?

4313
03:28:12,080 --> 03:28:13,940
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Clean and affordable energy.

4314
03:28:14,560 --> 03:28:16,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So SDG 7 is clean and

4315
03:28:16,220 --> 03:28:17,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: affordable energy, everyone.

4316
03:28:17,680 --> 03:28:20,100
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I think we are on track

4317
03:28:20,100 --> 03:28:21,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for the clean, no?

4318
03:28:22,320 --> 03:28:23,600
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So congratulations

4319
03:28:23,600 --> 03:28:25,860
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for that. I mean, it's not just something

4320
03:28:25,860 --> 03:28:27,780
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: atin lang kasi the same

4321
03:28:27,780 --> 03:28:29,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: way we're so affected by what happens

4322
03:28:29,640 --> 03:28:31,620
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: globally, yun nga yung pagbabaan ng presyo

4323
03:28:31,620 --> 03:28:33,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: ng battery, ng solar,

4324
03:28:34,120 --> 03:28:35,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we benefit

4325
03:28:35,680 --> 03:28:37,340
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: from it. So dapat pababain pa

4326
03:28:37,340 --> 03:28:38,980
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: natin to the consumer.

4327
03:28:39,760 --> 03:28:41,900
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Pero yung affordable,

4328
03:28:42,800 --> 03:28:43,700
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: medyo dyan

4329
03:28:43,700 --> 03:28:44,700
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: pa tayo pwedeng

4330
03:28:44,700 --> 03:28:46,620
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: mag-improve

4331
03:28:46,620 --> 03:28:47,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kasi yung mix,

4332
03:28:47,680 --> 03:28:49,460
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: nga natin, it's not purely

4333
03:28:49,460 --> 03:28:51,540
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: renewable. If it was purely renewable, then

4334
03:28:51,540 --> 03:28:53,520
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: we're on track for clean and affordable,

4335
03:28:53,740 --> 03:28:55,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: correct? But it is not purely

4336
03:28:55,560 --> 03:28:57,400
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: renewable. We still have 62%

4337
03:28:57,400 --> 03:28:59,500
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: of coal. So

4338
03:28:59,500 --> 03:29:01,700
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and then the remaining balance

4339
03:29:01,700 --> 03:29:03,540
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: is, what, mga 17%

4340
03:29:03,540 --> 03:29:05,620
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: of others. So we can still

4341
03:29:05,620 --> 03:29:06,580
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: improve on that.

4342
03:29:11,340 --> 03:29:13,680
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: For energy security, it's not enough

4343
03:29:13,680 --> 03:29:15,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that we are in survival mode, no?

4344
03:29:15,360 --> 03:29:17,180
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: We have to really look into the future.

4345
03:29:17,180 --> 03:29:19,280
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And I need us to see

4346
03:29:19,280 --> 03:29:21,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: and I'd like you to submit this to me.

4347
03:29:21,260 --> 03:29:21,980
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Nothing fancy,

4348
03:29:22,700 --> 03:29:24,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: because you do have the energy plan.

4349
03:29:25,720 --> 03:29:27,380
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 10, 20, 30,

4350
03:29:27,540 --> 03:29:29,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: 50 years, because if you haven't

4351
03:29:29,120 --> 03:29:30,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: heard me say this before,

4352
03:29:31,080 --> 03:29:33,360
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: there are countries that have a plan

4353
03:29:33,360 --> 03:29:35,340
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: for seven generations

4354
03:29:35,340 --> 03:29:36,040
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: to come.

4355
03:29:37,360 --> 03:29:39,140
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So kahit hindi naman siguro seven generations,

4356
03:29:39,320 --> 03:29:40,060
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: kahit two to three,

4357
03:29:40,640 --> 03:29:43,180
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: hindi na talaga natin naabutan yun, but siguro

4358
03:29:43,180 --> 03:29:44,640
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: that's what our grandchildren,

4359
03:29:44,640 --> 03:29:46,100
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: something like that.

4360
03:29:47,180 --> 03:29:48,080
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: It's being done.

4361
03:29:48,280 --> 03:29:51,060
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So it's not something I'm inventing.

4362
03:29:51,220 --> 03:29:53,060
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: That is a practice of countries that

4363
03:29:53,060 --> 03:29:54,080
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: are truly

4364
03:29:54,080 --> 03:29:57,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: future-proofing their country.

4365
03:29:57,920 --> 03:29:58,100
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So

4366
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:19,760
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: By investing in long-term security, then we'll have to make tough decisions. That's for sure. And we'll have to allocate limited funds. That's also sure that limited lang yung funds natin. But these are for the programs that will ensure that the average Filipino has, again, access to clean and affordable energy.

4367
03:30:19,760 --> 03:30:30,240
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, on that note, Mr. President, I am happy to [unclear] siguro, no? Wala nang? Yes, Secretary.

4368
03:30:30,240 --> 03:30:43,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Before you wrap up, I know we have sent a letter with all the possible requests for funding. This includes the system loss for NEA and all that.

4369
03:30:43,660 --> 03:30:49,660
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: But as a priority, Madam Chair, we would rather have?

4370
03:30:49,760 --> 03:30:56,440
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: If there's available funding, then that the increase in the ERC funding be done.

4371
03:30:56,580 --> 03:31:04,480
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Because sila yung kailangan nila ng faster resolution of all the issues will help also.

4372
03:31:04,480 --> 03:31:07,020
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: That's the 720 million. We noted that.

4373
03:31:07,060 --> 03:31:07,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Yun lang yung…

4374
03:31:07,660 --> 03:31:11,180
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: And kayang-kaya ni SP yan, saka ni Chairman.

4375
03:31:11,880 --> 03:31:18,380
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: We'll give way to them first. Kung may natirapay, then we can request.

4376
03:31:18,380 --> 03:31:19,280
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Quick question lang.

4377
03:31:19,280 --> 03:31:22,300
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Yung system loss, non-technical yun sa NEA?

4378
03:31:22,320 --> 03:31:23,160
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Non-technical, yeah.

4379
03:31:23,320 --> 03:31:27,100
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Non-technical. And so, the concept, gobyerno mag-absorb yung non-technical?

4380
03:31:29,400 --> 03:31:33,460
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Saka pa-absorb rin ng private sector sa atin, private DU sa atin.

4381
03:31:34,740 --> 03:31:35,580
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Libre nga.

4382
03:31:36,040 --> 03:31:45,600
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: SP, the non-technical system loss fund request was to add up to the equity loan facility of NEA

4383
03:31:45,600 --> 03:31:49,100
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to extend loans to electric cooperatives.

4384
03:31:49,280 --> 03:31:58,300
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Hindi po subsidy yun. Yun po ay pandagdag sa equity loan namin para maipautang namin sa mga electric cooperatives

4385
03:31:58,300 --> 03:32:03,940
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: to upgrade their facilities mainly on their metering requirements.

4386
03:32:06,040 --> 03:32:10,360
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: So, we found it palatable na hindi po namin ibibigay as a subsidy.

4387
03:32:10,800 --> 03:32:18,200
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Pautangin po nila as their CAPEX requirement to upgrade their facility para mawala ho yung non-technical system loss.

4388
03:32:18,200 --> 03:32:18,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Non-technical yun.

4389
03:32:18,640 --> 03:32:20,240
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Sa non-technical po.

4390
03:32:20,580 --> 03:32:22,660
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Non-technical is pilferage, di ba?

4391
03:32:22,660 --> 03:32:33,080
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Well, nung previous hearings po, prinisinta namin, meron po kasi kaming isang case in point na isang electric cooperative

4392
03:32:33,080 --> 03:32:37,340
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: na napakataas ng system loss, total system loss.

4393
03:32:37,460 --> 03:32:40,660
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: And we identified po, much of that is non-technical pilferage.

4394
03:32:41,460 --> 03:32:44,660
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: I am talking about referring to Zamboanga City Electric Cooperative.

4395
03:32:44,660 --> 03:32:48,600
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: So, when we implemented it,

4396
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:56,700
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: a pilot plan from January to July, from 23%, we brought it down to 13%.

4397
03:32:56,700 --> 03:33:05,000
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Ang ginawa lang ho namin, hinanap lang ho namin yung walang metro at saka yung mga koneksyon na iligal, minetrohan ho namin.

4398
03:33:05,180 --> 03:33:09,720
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: So, the same formula po, yun ang gagawin ho namin sa mga ibang electric cooperative.

4399
03:33:10,660 --> 03:33:15,540
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Pilferage, in other words, lalagyan ng metro para magbayad.

4400
03:33:15,560 --> 03:33:15,820
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Opo.

4401
03:33:15,820 --> 03:33:15,960
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Opo.

4402
03:33:16,260 --> 03:33:16,780
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay.

4403
03:33:17,480 --> 03:33:18,360
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Ganun kasimple lang.

4404
03:33:18,400 --> 03:33:18,620
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Ganun.

4405
03:33:18,640 --> 03:33:19,300
NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda: Ganun kasimple lang.

4406
03:33:19,440 --> 03:33:19,640
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Okay.

4407
03:33:19,800 --> 03:33:20,140
Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian: Thank you.

4408
03:33:20,300 --> 03:33:20,800
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Thank you, Madam Chair.

4409
03:33:21,140 --> 03:33:30,460
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: Madam Chair, on your comment on the future proofing, we can submit, other than the Philippine

4410
03:33:30,460 --> 03:33:38,020
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: energy plan, we also have recently finished the fuel transition plan that will give us

4411
03:33:38,020 --> 03:33:41,880
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: energy security in a sense na less dependence in petroleum products.

4412
03:33:42,040 --> 03:33:44,200
DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin: So, we'll submit it to your office also.

4413
03:33:45,700 --> 03:33:46,500
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you.

4414
03:33:46,500 --> 03:33:48,500
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, with no more questions.

4415
03:33:48,640 --> 03:33:55,320
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: The budget of DOE and its attached corporations and the ERC are deemed submitted to plenary

4416
03:33:55,320 --> 03:34:01,080
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: subject to, of course, any of our colleagues, if they have questions, we'll facilitate so

4417
03:34:01,080 --> 03:34:03,220
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: you can provide answers to them.

4418
03:34:03,380 --> 03:34:05,560
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, on that note, congratulations, everyone.

4419
03:34:05,700 --> 03:34:09,160
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Be ready for the plenary.

4420
03:34:09,360 --> 03:34:10,620
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Dahil ako na yung sasagot doon.

4421
03:34:10,740 --> 03:34:12,120
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: So, be ready na ready ako.

4422
03:34:12,660 --> 03:34:13,320
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you.

4423
03:34:13,380 --> 03:34:14,660
Senator Pia S. Cayetano: Thank you, Mr. President.