# Senate Committee on Finance: DOE and ERC - September 17, 2026

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwxKPCkk4tw

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**[00:19:23.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000041)  
The entire energy, DOE attached agencies and corporations, welcome.

**[00:19:30.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000042)  
As you all know, we had our extensive briefing two days ago, and most of your heads have been meeting with my staff as well. So today, our agenda is obviously the proposed budget for 2027 in the NEP. I know some of you, or all of you, have some kind of presentation. Whether you have visual aids, I leave that up to you. We start with DOE Office of the

**[00:20:00.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000043)  
secretary and then ERC and then the NEA NPC Philippine National Oil Company um PNOC Exploration Corporation National Transmission Corporation and PSALM so given our limited capacity I think we also have resource persons online. Tama ba? In case but they won't be presenting right? They're just they're just there if we need some additional information. Um

**[00:20:30.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000044)  
and uh when some of our colleagues start arriving, I will I would like us to continue with the presentation so we don't disrupt the flow and then uh I'll open the floor to questions later on. Um for your information I discussed with the Senate President who's the former chairman of the committee on energy uh that you have some amendments and I already asked for his support. um to so that we can um push for the amendments

**[00:21:00.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000045)  
that I think uh as an energy sector you all you all agree that we we should prioritize so I hope we can make it because he really wanted to attend. So before we proceed um I'd like to acknowledge and put on record some recent developments. We welcome the removal of the VAT on system loss because even when I was still chairman of the committee on energy, marami hong uh dumadaing dito. So alam ko medyo madugo yung process. So, but thank you

**[00:21:30.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000046)  
and congratulations for um making this happen. And then um we do have quite a few issues obviously the supply and I know the secretary will will bring that up. Syempre ang habol natin is energy security. Maybe maybe on a daytoday basis yung mga ordinary folks, ordinary moms out there, mga nanay, tatay na nila kayang isipin yun

**[00:22:00.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000047)  
yung energy ano natin security they rely on us to make sure that that energy security is in place pero yung effect kasi sa kanila as we all know supply and demand 'di ba? So kung konti supply natin ah nagtataas y'yung presyo. So 'yun naman 'yung talagang uh bottom line nung mga kababayan natin. And of course when we speak of security as I mentioned during the briefing, yung concern ko din talaga is yung ah reliable consistent supply sa lalo na sa mga probinsya na um alam pa rin natin na

**[00:22:30.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000048)  
may mga whether it's planned or um intermittent brown outs eh ang goal talaga natin is 24/7 yung access nila sa kuryente. So we do want uh reliable supply we want transmission and distribution um to be in place. Okay. So I'll mention my other concerns later on as we go along but I think we can

**[00:23:00.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000049)  
proceed. Um sana hindi to mahabaan masyado but um I need to remind everyone I'm very conscious of your health. You are free to stand up. Sitting is the new smoking. So you can stand up without my permission. You may go to the restroom without my permission. You can stand up and stretch. Um and please drink water. Um hindi yata kami magse-serve ng food dahil tapos na lunch. But you can eat.

**[00:23:30.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000050)  
Walang problema lahat yan sa akin. Okay? As long as you're available to answer the questions uh when you're called or if you had to step out, just tell your seatmate. You'll be back in 2 minutes. Not a problem. Um and then uh if the principals here need access to their support staff also not a problem pass the notes talk to your principals but if you need them to take the floor then I just need them to uh

**[00:24:00.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000051)  
introduce themselves para ma-record natin kung sino yung nagsasalita. Okay, so we are ready to start. We start with you, Secretary. Secretary Garin, and then after that ERC, be ready, Attorney Juan. Okay, please proceed.

**[00:24:17.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000051-split-2)  
Madam Chair, just for the brevity also, and because most of the companies we have here have their own budgets actually, so if you allow us, it will be just DOE that will report

**[00:24:30.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000052)  
and then you can ask questions if there are some clarifications needed.

**[00:24:36.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000052-split-2)  
Better. We are doing that for most. And then they trust that you will bring to our attention their concerns naman, and our staff is still here even after the hearing if they want to provide more information. But that does make it simple because I also want to be sure if they are raising any concerns, dapat

**[00:25:00.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000053)  
aware din kayo and aligned kayo. So mas okay din talaga sa akin yan. Thank you.

**[00:25:05.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000053-split-2)  
Thank you, Madam Chair. Usec Bacordo will be doing our presentation. Usec Bacordo, please. Usec,

**[00:25:14.970] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000053-split-3)  
Usec.

**[00:25:16.280] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000053-split-4)  
Gracious budget sponsor and chairperson of the subcommittee, Honorable Senator Pia Cayetano, honorable members of the Senate Committee on Finance, chiefs of the government energy family led by our

**[00:25:30.000] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000054)  
hyperactive Secretary Sharon Garin.

**[00:25:32.780] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000055)  
Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon.

**[00:25:35.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000056)  
Allow me to

**[00:25:35.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000057)  
Sir, pa ba na mas hyperactive siya sa akin?

**[00:25:41.980] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000058)  
Allow me to present the Department of Energy's

**[00:25:44.540] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000059)  
major accomplishments along

**[00:25:46.400] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000060)  
with the proposed budget for fiscal year

**[00:25:48.340] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000061)  
2027 and plans and

**[00:25:50.420] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000062)  
programs for the budget year.

**[00:25:52.560] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000063)  
Let me begin with the Department's

**[00:25:54.400] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000064)  
major accomplishments.

**[00:25:56.060] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000065)  
In response to the energy

**[00:25:57.520] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000066)  
emergency caused by the Middle East

**[00:26:00.360] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000067)  
conflict, the DOE

**[00:26:02.200] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000068)  
in coordination with other

**[00:26:04.140] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000069)  
agencies employed the whole of

**[00:26:06.300] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000070)  
government approach in securing fuel

**[00:26:08.180] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000071)  
supply, implementing staggered

**[00:26:10.520] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000072)  
fuel price adjustments, prescribing

**[00:26:12.720] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000073)  
the price adjustments for oil companies,

**[00:26:15.420] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000074)  
fuel subsidy programs,

**[00:26:17.380] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000075)  
preventing hoarding and

**[00:26:18.560] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000076)  
profiteering, enforcing

**[00:26:20.400] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000077)  
energy efficiency and conservation

**[00:26:22.480] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000078)  
measures, and setting up

**[00:26:24.480] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000079)  
support measures for the transport

**[00:26:26.300] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000080)  
and agriculture

**[00:26:27.280] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000081)  
sectors.

**[00:26:28.680] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000082)  
The country maintains an

**[00:26:30.360] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000083)  
average available supply of

**[00:26:32.320] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000084)  
50 days.

**[00:26:34.040] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000085)  
Following the President's directive during

**[00:26:36.160] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000086)  
the 2025 SONA,

**[00:26:38.320] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000087)  
the DOE with NEA and

**[00:26:40.240] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000088)  
ERC restored

**[00:26:41.860] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000089)  
24-7 electricity service

**[00:26:44.080] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000090)  
in Siquijor. The DOE

**[00:26:46.400] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000091)  
also acted decisively

**[00:26:48.260] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000092)  
to address the prolonged

**[00:26:49.900] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000093)  
power interruptions in Catanduanes,

**[00:26:52.680] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000094)  
working closely with

**[00:26:53.840] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000095)  
NPC, NEA, and FISELCO

**[00:26:56.300] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000096)  
to restore

**[00:26:57.280] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000097)  
reliable

**[00:26:57.780] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000098)  
electricity service across

**[00:27:00.020] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000099)  
the province. The Department

**[00:27:02.000] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000100)  
has also been unwavering

**[00:27:03.680] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000101)  
in its disaster response efforts

**[00:27:05.960] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000102)  
to ensure power restoration

**[00:27:08.080] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000103)  
and continuity of fuel supply

**[00:27:10.160] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000104)  
in affected areas.

**[00:27:12.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000105)  
On household electrification,

**[00:27:14.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000106)  
as of August 2026,

**[00:27:17.280] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000107)  
the country's

**[00:27:17.960] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000108)  
household electrification level

**[00:27:19.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000109)  
has reached 95.1%

**[00:27:22.540] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000110)  
with around

**[00:27:23.880] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000111)  
29.2 million households

**[00:27:25.880] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000112)  
energized.

**[00:27:27.280] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000113)  
Out of the 30.7 million

**[00:27:29.020] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000114)  
potential households,

**[00:27:31.660] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000115)  
our renewable energy

**[00:27:33.220] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000116)  
or RE share

**[00:27:34.660] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000117)  
in the generation mix

**[00:27:36.460] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000118)  
increased to 25%

**[00:27:38.560] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000119)  
in 2025, equivalent

**[00:27:41.080] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000120)  
to 31.7 terawatt

**[00:27:43.240] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000121)  
hours of generation.

**[00:27:45.200] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000122)  
Through the Green Energy Auction Program,

**[00:27:47.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000123)  
we have already awarded

**[00:27:48.860] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000124)  
20.7 gigawatts

**[00:27:51.200] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000125)  
of RE capacity

**[00:27:52.460] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000126)  
with another 25 gigawatts

**[00:27:55.640] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000127)  
planned for auction

**[00:27:56.960] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000128)  
from 2027 to 2035.

**[00:27:59.740] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000129)  
The RE sector

**[00:28:01.700] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000130)  
continues to be the leading

**[00:28:03.580] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000131)  
contributor to Green Lane investments

**[00:28:05.660] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000132)  
with 187 endorsed

**[00:28:07.860] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000133)  
projects amounting to

**[00:28:09.720] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000134)  
5.46 trillion

**[00:28:12.120] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000135)  
since 2023,

**[00:28:14.240] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000136)  
accounting for 86%

**[00:28:15.980] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000137)  
of investments under the

**[00:28:17.860] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000138)  
Board of Investments Green Lane

**[00:28:19.880] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000139)  
Program. From July

**[00:28:21.980] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000140)  
2022 to July

**[00:28:23.660] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000141)  
2026, the country's

**[00:28:26.040] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000142)  
power capacity

**[00:28:26.960] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000143)  
continued to grow

**[00:28:28.040] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000144)  
with installed capacity increasing

**[00:28:30.520] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000145)  
by 4,988 megawatts

**[00:28:33.960] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000146)  
or an 18.4%

**[00:28:35.920] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000147)  
increase

**[00:28:36.540] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000148)  
while dependable capacity

**[00:28:38.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000149)  
increased by 5,106

**[00:28:41.680] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000150)  
megawatts

**[00:28:42.360] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000151)  
or a 22.3%

**[00:28:44.480] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000152)  
increase. To further support

**[00:28:46.800] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000153)  
the timely delivery of committed power

**[00:28:48.720] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000154)  
projects and ensure

**[00:28:50.460] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000155)  
that capacity additions are brought

**[00:28:52.700] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000156)  
online as scheduled, the

**[00:28:54.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000157)  
DOE established task force

**[00:28:56.860] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000158)  
200 pursuant to

**[00:28:58.820] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000159)  
the President's pronouncements

**[00:29:00.200] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000160)  
during the 2025 SONA.

**[00:29:03.240] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000161)  
The task force closely

**[00:29:04.960] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000162)  
monitors and facilitates the

**[00:29:06.640] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000163)  
implementation of 200

**[00:29:08.060] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000164)  
committed projects. To date,

**[00:29:11.340] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000165)  
51 power projects

**[00:29:12.840] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000166)  
are now completed and

**[00:29:14.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000167)  
commercially operational,

**[00:29:16.740] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000168)  
adding 1,864.6

**[00:29:19.940] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000169)  
megawatts to the grid.

**[00:29:22.060] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000170)  
This includes

**[00:29:22.680] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000171)  
12 BES projects

**[00:29:24.300] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000172)  
with a combined capacity of

**[00:29:26.860] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000173)  
129.4 megawatts

**[00:29:29.140] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000174)  
that support grid stability

**[00:29:31.140] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000175)  
and frequency regulation.

**[00:29:34.040] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000176)  
In the upstream sector,

**[00:29:35.500] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000177)  
the 14 petroleum

**[00:29:37.460] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000178)  
service contracts recently

**[00:29:39.380] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000179)  
signed by the President will

**[00:29:41.400] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000180)  
generate $324

**[00:29:43.680] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000181)  
million potential

**[00:29:45.580] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000182)  
investments. The successful

**[00:29:47.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000183)  
drilling of Camago 3

**[00:29:48.920] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000184)  
and Malampaya East 1 wells

**[00:29:51.420] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000185)  
under Service Contract 38

**[00:29:53.720] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000186)  
yielded estimated

**[00:29:55.300] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000187)  
reserves of 222

**[00:29:56.860] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000188)  
billion cubic feet of

**[00:29:58.900] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000189)  
gas.

**[00:30:00.000] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000190)  
extending operations to 2034, and providing enough fuel to power 13.1 million households for one year.

**[00:30:09.680] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000191)  
We now present the Department's proposed 2027 budget.

**[00:30:14.380] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000192)  
The DOE's revenue collection for the national government have consistently exceeded its approved budget.

**[00:30:22.640] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000193)  
Collections were driven mainly by the Malampaya Gas Fund.

**[00:30:25.940] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000194)  
Its decline, however, was offset by improved collections from RE sources.

**[00:30:33.160] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000195)  
For 2026, the total projected revenue collection is 6.06 billion.

**[00:30:39.640] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000196)  
For 2027, revenues are projected to reach 23 billion, mainly because of Malampaya Phase 4.

**[00:30:48.060] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000197)  
RE collections are also expected to continue increasing.

**[00:30:52.160] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000198)  
For fiscal year 2027…

**[00:30:54.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000199)  
Sorry, before… Let's…

**[00:30:55.940] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000200)  
Since there's no other senator, I'll just ask my quick questions.

**[00:31:00.080] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000201)  
I think it's interesting to emphasize that the revenues of DOE are predominantly from Malampaya Gas Fund.

**[00:31:10.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000202)  
And then from 2026 to 2027, it's still very high, almost to the 2023 levels.

**[00:31:17.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000203)  
And then your others, what are they?

**[00:31:20.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000204)  
What are your other sources?

**[00:31:23.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000205)  
Other like fee permits.

**[00:31:25.200] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000206)  
So basically…

**[00:31:25.940] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000207)  
Basically, fee permits, no?

**[00:31:27.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000208)  
So talagang ang laking bagay nung sa Malampaya.

**[00:31:30.040] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000209)  
Of course, I have to say that because ako'y nag-sponsor niyan and pinaglaban natin niyan.

**[00:31:34.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000210)  
And in fact, 2028 will likely go up because of the new discovery.

**[00:31:39.040] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000211)  
Okay, that's good.

**[00:31:39.940] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000212)  
Okay.

**[00:31:42.320] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000213)  
Next slide.

**[00:31:43.020] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000214)  
For fiscal year 2027, the DOE's total proposed budget is 5.58 billion, reflecting an increase of 1.14 billion or 25.7%.

**[00:31:55.940] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000215)  
Compared with fiscal year 2026 GA of 4.43 billion.

**[00:32:01.220] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000216)  
From 2022 to 2026, new appropriations generally maintained the largest share in the DOE's total budget, from 59.4 to 68.9%, versus automatic appropriations of about 31.1 to 40.6%.

**[00:32:20.220] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000217)  
But for 2027, new appropriations decreased by ₱935 million.

**[00:32:25.940] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000218)  
And account for only 36.4% of the total recommended budget, while 63.6% comes from the SAGF.

**[00:32:37.580] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000219)  
In other words, the department's budgetary requirements will be heavily supported through the SAGF, sourced from the revenues from energy service contracts and other collections of the department.

**[00:32:51.740] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000220)  
This chart shows the DOE…

**[00:32:54.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000221)  
Before you leave again, I just want to comment.

**[00:32:55.940] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000222)  
So, for the first time since 2022, which is the last six years, the new appropriations will actually be less.

**[00:33:17.480] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000223)  
This is very important because basically, DOE is more self-sustaining than you were in the past.

**[00:33:25.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000224)  
And I think compared to many other agencies, malaking bagay yun na.

**[00:33:28.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000225)  
So, it's really something that I wanted to emphasize.

**[00:33:31.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000226)  
And as you said, the reason is, meron kayong revenues na pumapasok to support this.

**[00:33:38.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000227)  
So, I want to emphasize this because it's a good thing.

**[00:33:41.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000228)  
Hirap naman ang puro bad news.

**[00:33:42.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000229)  
So, may good news naman tayo.

**[00:33:43.620] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000230)  
If you want to add, Secretary?

**[00:33:44.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000231)  
I wanted to add also, hindi pa nabibilang diyan the contributions of our GOCCs because, for example, PSALM is one of the highest contributors in dividends.

**[00:33:53.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000232)  
I think just this…

**[00:33:55.240] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000233)  
This year is about P30 billion.

**[00:33:58.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000234)  
Magkano ba yung contribution mo?

**[00:34:01.180] PSALM President and CEO Dennis Edward de la Serna** (asr-000235)  
Good afternoon, Senator Pia.

**[00:34:04.260] PSALM President and CEO Dennis Edward de la Serna** (asr-000236)  
Secretary, our contribution for this year is about P4 billion.

**[00:34:07.160] PSALM President and CEO Dennis Edward de la Serna** (asr-000237)  
For next year, we're projecting around P30 plus billion.

**[00:34:11.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000238)  
So, the others are also contributing.

**[00:34:13.720] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000239)  
Pero wala siya dyan kasi this is remittance lang sa katina.

**[00:34:18.200] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000240)  
Okay. Thank you. Go ahead.

**[00:34:19.920] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000241)  
Next slide.

**[00:34:20.640] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000242)  
Next slide.

**[00:34:21.240] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000243)  
This chart shows the DOE's budget utilization rate.

**[00:34:25.240] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000244)  
From 2022 to 31 August 2026.

**[00:34:28.760] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000245)  
Upon completion of procurement of the mobile energy system and the DOE automation project, which are already undergoing procurement, the obligation rate will increase to 67%.

**[00:34:40.680] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000246)  
The DOE expects to reach at least 95.89% utilization rate for 2026.

**[00:34:48.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000247)  
The increase in the DOE's recommended 2027 budget from the current year's budget level.

**[00:34:55.240] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000248)  
It's in large part owing to increased funding for these three major projects.

**[00:34:59.820] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000249)  
The Philippine Gradiometry and Seismic Survey Project, or simply the Gradiometry Project, the Mobile Energy Systems, or MES, under the Total Electrification Project, and the ISSP, which includes the DOE Automation Project.

**[00:35:18.920] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000250)  
The Gradiometry Project is the department’s initiative to improve resource mapping and prospect

**[00:35:25.240] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000251)  
identification,

**[00:35:25.820] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000252)  
Reduce exploration risk and help attract greater upstream energy investments in the Philippines by generating higher quality geophysical data across priority petroleum basins.

**[00:35:38.940] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000253)  
The Grid Geometry Project covers 120,000 square kilometers.

**[00:35:43.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000254)  
The area could support up to 120 individual exploration service contracts.

**[00:35:48.900] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000255)  
Using data from the recently awarded exploration contracts,

**[00:35:53.360] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000256)  
just 10% of

**[00:35:55.220] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000257)  
the potential 120 contracts alone would already account for approximately ₱16.8 billion of potential private-sector investments.

**[00:36:04.740] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000258)  
And that is not even counting potential oil and gas discoveries.

**[00:36:11.120] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000259)  
Under the Total Electrification Project, the department is procuring MES that will provide...

**[00:36:17.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000260)  
One last before you go to that again, let's go back to this because I was very interested in this when it was presented.

**[00:36:23.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000261)  
The Philippine Gradiometry and Seismic Survey Project investment is ₱2.7 billion.

**[00:36:31.040] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000262)  
And that's basically to be surveying that area that was blocked off.

**[00:36:35.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000263)  
And I think, Secretary, you explained that even the selection of the area,

**[00:36:41.340] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000264)  
because it's costly to survey the whole area, is very strategic.

**[00:36:46.160] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000265)  
Because these are the areas that there's a big chance of making a discovery, correct?

**[00:36:51.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000266)  
Yes.

**[00:36:53.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000267)  
So you want to be sure that this item is secured in the budget, right?

**[00:36:57.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000268)  
This is not an additional budget you're asking for. It's already in the NEP.

**[00:37:02.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000269)  
Yes, ma'am.

**[00:37:02.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000270)  
Okay.

**[00:37:03.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000271)  
And just briefly, Sandy, our in-house expert on this, can explain why.

**[00:37:10.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000272)  
Yes, explain it very quickly on the record because our briefing is not live.

**[00:37:16.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000273)  
I want people to know that we're investing in this kind of exploration.

**[00:37:22.200] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000274)  
Yes.

**[00:37:23.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000275)  
So, first point really is [unclear] po ng department kung saan natin dadalhin itong bagong acquisition ng data.

**[00:37:31.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000276)  
So, for the information, the last major exercise like this was in the 80s

**[00:37:37.640] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000277)  
na nag-acquire ng data ang Philippine government over our basins.

**[00:37:42.600] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000278)  
And it was funded through a World Bank loan.

**[00:37:45.800] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000279)  
So, major milestone that after so many decades, we are again investing.

**[00:37:53.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000280)  
In our own basins.

**[00:37:55.580] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000281)  
The main criteria why we picked these basins is parang nakalimutan sila because the decision in the 70s and 80s was that these areas were gas-prone.

**[00:38:08.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000282)  
At that time, natural gas po ay mahirap gawing commercial.

**[00:38:13.580] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000283)  
Walang masyadong bumibili.

**[00:38:15.000] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000284)  
When gas became a very valuable commodity beginning in the 2000s and up to the present time.

**[00:38:22.880] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000285)  
And in fact, kailangan ng Pilipinas, [unclear] namin itong mga areas na ito, nakalimutan dahil gas-prone daw.

**[00:38:30.880] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000286)  
But it could really matter to the future of the country if we find more indigenous gas in this what we call forgotten areas.

**[00:38:39.780] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000287)  
Thank you po.

**[00:38:40.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000288)  
Thank you for that.

**[00:38:41.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000289)  
Kasi I remember when I sponsored our bill on NatGas, we put on record that sadly,

**[00:38:51.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000290)  
the height of exploration, investment was in the 70s.

**[00:38:58.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000291)  
And then, hindi na ho naulit yun.

**[00:38:59.920] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000292)  
So, you're tying in that information we have na 80s pala yung last data collection.

**[00:39:06.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000293)  
But it makes sense that at that time, since hindi pa NatGas yung uso, hindi muna tinuloy.

**[00:39:14.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000294)  
Tapos ngayon, kailangan na nating—NatGas is really a very valuable commodity now.

**[00:39:20.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000295)  
So, now's a good time.

**[00:39:21.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000296)  
For this to really be, for this to be the focus.

**[00:39:25.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000297)  
Okay.

**[00:39:26.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000298)  
But later on, you'll also mention the development also and what, exploration for geothermal, no?

**[00:39:33.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000299)  
Kasi malaki din yung investment natin dati.

**[00:39:37.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000300)  
So, later on, I think that's part of your presentation naman.

**[00:39:41.080] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000301)  
Madam Chair, if I may, one last point.

**[00:39:43.920] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000302)  
Actually, when we talk to investors, malaking push din yung nangyari sa NatGas law.

**[00:39:49.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000303)  
Because, ang nangyari doon,

**[00:39:51.140] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000304)  
it really bridged the gap between yung upstream, yung pag-explore,

**[00:39:55.160] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000305)  
and saan natin ibebenta.

**[00:39:57.720] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000306)  
What happened with our NatGas law was the market was assured

**[00:40:01.000] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000307)  
because we said in the law that preference ang indigenous gas.

**[00:40:05.940] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000308)  
So, very important factor when we go out and meet the investors.

**[00:40:09.980] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-000309)  
Thank you po.

**[00:40:10.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000310)  
And for those just following now, I remember the discussion was,

**[00:40:16.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000311)  
the emphasis here, the reality here is it's such a big investment because,

**[00:40:20.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000312)  
yung investors tataya, may makahanap ka ba?

**[00:40:25.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000313)  
Hindi tayo sure, di ba?

**[00:40:26.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000314)  
Hindi tayo sure.

**[00:40:27.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000315)  
So, they may spend a lot and not get anything.

**[00:40:30.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000316)  
So, to be able to tell them that if you do find gas,

**[00:40:33.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000317)  
priority in the Philippines to purchase their own indigenous gas versus yung imported.

**[00:40:39.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000318)  
Importante yun.

**[00:40:39.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000319)  
Kasi, for investors, yun ang hinahanap nila na ano yung return of investment.

**[00:40:44.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000320)  
Pwede kasing zero talaga eh kung walang makita.

**[00:40:46.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000321)  
But, at least we're saying, pag may nakita,

**[00:40:48.600] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000322)  
then, I mean,

**[00:40:50.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000323)  
those who are investing are in the industry naman eh.

**[00:40:53.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000324)  
So, they know the risk.

**[00:40:54.420] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000325)  
But, to be assured that there will be a buyer is a big thing.

**[00:40:58.300] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000326)  
So, yeah.

**[00:40:59.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000327)  
So, I'm glad that you have this investment now for this project to proceed.

**[00:41:07.720] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000328)  
Next slide.

**[00:41:09.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000329)  
Under the total electrification project,

**[00:41:11.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000330)  
the department is procuring MES

**[00:41:13.580] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000331)  
that will provide the renewable,

**[00:41:16.360] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000332)  
rapidly deployable,

**[00:41:17.420] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000333)  
and modular solutions,

**[00:41:19.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000334)  
designed,

**[00:41:20.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000335)  
for immediate,

**[00:41:21.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000336)  
interim,

**[00:41:21.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000337)  
and sustainable electricity access

**[00:41:23.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000338)  
for both disaster response and electrification purposes.

**[00:41:27.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000339)  
For 2026,

**[00:41:29.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000340)  
we are utilizing 500 million from current appropriations

**[00:41:33.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000341)  
and 21 million from continuing appropriations.

**[00:41:37.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000342)  
For 2027,

**[00:41:38.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000343)  
we are proposing 600 million budget

**[00:41:41.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000344)  
for at least 60 additional MES units.

**[00:41:45.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000345)  
For 2027,

**[00:41:47.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000346)  
we propose a budget of ₱950 million for

**[00:41:49.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000347)  
ISSP,

**[00:41:49.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000348)  
of which

**[00:41:51.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000349)  
₱491 million

**[00:41:53.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000350)  
or 52%

**[00:41:55.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000351)  
is for automation,

**[00:41:56.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000352)  
while ₱458 million

**[00:41:58.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000353)  
or 48%

**[00:41:59.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000354)  
is for other ICT

**[00:42:01.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000355)  
requirements.

**[00:42:02.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000356)  
The DOE automation project

**[00:42:04.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000357)  
will transform fragmented

**[00:42:06.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000358)  
stand-alone systems

**[00:42:07.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000359)  
into a unified,

**[00:42:09.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000360)  
streamlined,

**[00:42:10.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000361)  
automated,

**[00:42:12.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000362)  
and AI-enabled enterprise

**[00:42:14.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000363)  
platform.

**[00:42:15.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000364)  
It will improve efficiency and transparency,

**[00:42:17.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000365)  
strengthen accountability,

**[00:42:18.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000366)  
and provide a reliable,

**[00:42:19.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000367)  
and regulatory compliance

**[00:42:22.000] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000368)  
and reduce opportunities

**[00:42:23.580] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000369)  
for discretion, manipulation

**[00:42:25.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000370)  
and corruption.

**[00:42:27.620] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000371)  
Finally, we present a summary

**[00:42:29.720] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000372)  
of the department's major plans and

**[00:42:31.740] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000373)  
programs.

**[00:42:32.550] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000373-split-2)  
Before you proceed, just

**[00:42:33.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000374)  
a quick comment on the automation

**[00:42:35.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000375)  
just to put on record what I also said

**[00:42:37.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000376)  
during the briefing, that make sure

**[00:42:39.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000377)  
that whatever

**[00:42:40.940] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000378)  
system you purchase

**[00:42:43.860] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000379)  
is interoperable

**[00:42:45.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000380)  
to the extent that you

**[00:42:47.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000381)  
may need to be connecting

**[00:42:49.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000382)  
like for example,

**[00:42:50.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000383)  
national ID system.

**[00:42:53.160] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000384)  
Kailangan yung ibang agencies that you may have

**[00:42:55.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000385)  
to be coordinating with.

**[00:42:57.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000386)  
Just a reminder kasi

**[00:42:59.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000387)  
it's not that difficult at this time

**[00:43:01.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000388)  
to make sure that that happens.

**[00:43:03.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000389)  
A few years ago, laging lumalabas na

**[00:43:05.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000390)  
issue yan eh, na hindi

**[00:43:07.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000391)  
aligned yung mga systems

**[00:43:09.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000392)  
ng gobyerno natin. So just be sure.

**[00:43:13.200] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000393)  
Thank you.

**[00:43:14.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000394)  
Go ahead, Chair.

**[00:43:14.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000395)  
Actually, we have

**[00:43:16.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000396)  
a new use sector

**[00:43:17.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000397)  
especially

**[00:43:19.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000398)  
just for automation

**[00:43:20.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000399)  
because we think that this will

**[00:43:22.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000400)  
improve the lives of the

**[00:43:23.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000401)  
people in DOE, make it easier

**[00:43:26.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000402)  
and also make it

**[00:43:28.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000403)  
streamline the process.

**[00:43:30.680] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000404)  
I don't know if Yusexasa still

**[00:43:32.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000405)  
wants to explain but that's the main

**[00:43:34.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000406)  
objective that we want

**[00:43:36.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000407)  
fully integrated

**[00:43:37.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000408)  
among us and also with our

**[00:43:40.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000409)  
stakeholders and also with our

**[00:43:42.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000410)  
GOCCs para

**[00:43:43.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000411)  
mas mabilis na yung trabaho.

**[00:43:46.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000412)  
Maybe later we can make a note na

**[00:43:48.160] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000413)  
pag natapos yung

**[00:43:49.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000414)  
main presentation, then you want to say

**[00:43:50.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000415)  
a few, we will put on record

**[00:43:52.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000416)  
whatever you want to add or

**[00:43:54.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000417)  
if not, then at least give me a paper

**[00:43:56.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000418)  
on it. Thank you.

**[00:43:59.260] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000419)  
Okay.

**[00:44:00.460] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000420)  
Next slide. Finally, we present

**[00:44:02.420] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000421)  
a summary of the department's major plans

**[00:44:04.420] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000422)  
and programs. First,

**[00:44:06.600] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000423)  
we accelerate energy resource development.

**[00:44:09.420] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000424)  
The biggest investment

**[00:44:10.340] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000425)  
of the DOE is on the

**[00:44:12.100] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000426)  
grid geometry project, which is

**[00:44:14.360] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000427)  
expected to significantly increase oil

**[00:44:16.480] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000428)  
and gas explorations in the country.

**[00:44:19.000] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000429)  
We are implementing the

**[00:44:20.460] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000430)  
Philippine Geothermal Derisking Facility

**[00:44:22.700] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000431)  
to revive geothermal

**[00:44:24.480] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000432)  
exploration in the Philippines.

**[00:44:26.420] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000433)  
We are also conducting additional

**[00:44:28.300] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000434)  
green energy auctions

**[00:44:29.760] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000435)  
such as waste to energy,

**[00:44:32.480] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000436)  
onshore and offshore wind,

**[00:44:34.540] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000437)  
geothermal, agro-solar,

**[00:44:37.260] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000438)  
solar on stilts,

**[00:44:38.800] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000439)  
solar on irrigation canals,

**[00:44:40.540] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000440)  
and off-grid areas.

**[00:44:42.380] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000441)  
Nuclear energy remains part of the

**[00:44:44.500] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000442)  
DOE's long-term energy strategy,

**[00:44:47.380] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000443)  
functioning as cheaper

**[00:44:48.500] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000444)  
and more reliable base load

**[00:44:50.340] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000445)  
power. The mid-merit

**[00:44:52.260] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000446)  
natural gas capacity auction

**[00:44:53.980] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000447)  
is targeted to be completed

**[00:44:56.120] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000448)  
by December 2026.

**[00:44:58.500] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000449)  
We also have major plans

**[00:45:00.000] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000450)  
to ensure energy security, including the deployment of MES, establishment of a state-owned strategic fuel reserve,

**[00:45:10.160] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000451)  
formulation of the Visayas, Mindoro, and Palawan energy master plans,

**[00:45:15.840] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000452)  
implementation of policies for generation companies' accountability, review of systems laws-related policies and programs,

**[00:45:23.380] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000453)  
push for government-wide adoption of electric vehicles or EVs, and deployment of EV charging stations.

**[00:45:32.120] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000454)  
We also have several key projects to strengthen governance, including the full digitalization, automation, and AI transformation of DOE,

**[00:45:42.660] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000455)  
the establishment of the DOE Center for Energy Excellence, comprising of the Energy Museum, Energy Academy, and R&D Center,

**[00:45:53.380] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000456)  
the strengthening of DOE Manpower, the modernization of the DOE Nationwide Command Center,

**[00:46:00.480] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000457)  
and the upgrading of DOE facilities to achieve net-zero energy consumption.

**[00:46:06.560] DOE Undersecretary Giovanni Carlo J. Bacordo** (asr-000458)  
Madam Chair, Honorable Members of the Committee, this ends my presentation. Thank you for your kind attention.

**[00:46:14.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000459)  
Thank you. Before we go to Attorney Juan, I just had the—

**[00:46:22.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000460)  
I remembered…

**[00:46:23.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000461)  
In the energy industry, are there specific professions that are required, or even non-professional jobs that we have a shortage of?

**[00:46:38.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000462)  
I ask because, as you probably know, I'm very passionate about education, and one of the things we are lacking is the direct connection between the industry and CHED or TESDA.

**[00:46:50.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000463)  
So, meron ba? I'm just curious.

**[00:46:52.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000464)  
Yes, ma'am.

**[00:46:53.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000465)  
You had mentioned electrical engineers. May kulang. I just assumed it's electrical.

**[00:46:58.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000466)  
I have Usec Guevara, our Dean of UP Engineering.

**[00:47:05.940] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000467)  
Are you a dean?

**[00:47:07.560] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000468)  
I was a dean from 2004 to 2010.

**[00:47:11.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000469)  
Saan na ba yan? Kasi when I was in UP, katabi pa yan ng lot. Hindi na, di ba? Nag-move na. Ah, hindi, yung RQ sa taas ang nag-move.

**[00:47:17.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000470)  
Pinalayas na namin sila.

**[00:47:18.340] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000471)  
May sarili nang building. Kasi UP Arki yung anak ko.

**[00:47:22.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000472)  
At doon pala sila.

**[00:47:23.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000473)  
May 6 na bago, pero kayo doon pa rin.

**[00:47:24.920] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000474)  
Doon pa rin.

**[00:47:25.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000474-split-2)  
Ah, okay.

**[00:47:25.880] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000475)  
May 6 na bagong buildings din po kami.

**[00:47:27.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000476)  
Ah, really?

**[00:47:28.320] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000477)  
Yes.

**[00:47:28.580] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000478)  
In the area?

**[00:47:29.540] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000479)  
In the science and engineering area on Velasquez Street.

**[00:47:34.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000480)  
Okay, okay. Anyway, go ahead.

**[00:47:35.900] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000481)  
Anyway, depending on the technologies, for example, nuclear, because all our engineers left in 1987, the faculty members and so on, so we have to rebuild.

**[00:47:49.100] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000482)  
Fortunately, DOST started about 5 years ago.

**[00:47:51.820] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000483)  
They've sent people for PhD.

**[00:47:53.380] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000484)  
Masters and so on.

**[00:47:55.300] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000485)  
And then, for the offshore wind, this is the new technology among the renewables.

**[00:48:00.800] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000486)  
Yes.

**[00:48:01.140] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000487)  
So, we have a deal with the CHED and TESDA because there's specific job descriptions, no?

**[00:48:07.960] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000488)  
That we need to convert perhaps a mechanical engineer into an offshore wind engineer and so on.

**[00:48:13.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000489)  
Mga bridge programs.

**[00:48:15.040] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000490)  
Yes.

**[00:48:15.620] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000491)  
So, they're working that out with the universities?

**[00:48:18.100] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000492)  
Yes.

**[00:48:18.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000493)  
Okay.

**[00:48:19.140] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000494)  
And then, we also have—

**[00:48:21.240] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000495)  
We just discovered that many of our plants, coal-fired power plants, gas plants, and so on, are maintained by foreigners.

**[00:48:32.420] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000496)  
So, every time there's a breakdown in a plant, we have to wait for the foreigner to come and do the repairs or assess, even the assessment.

**[00:48:40.980] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000497)  
And we have what we call the maintenance program for these plants.

**[00:48:45.080] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000498)  
And once we schedule it for a year, we cannot move the dates because they have to reserve the plants.

**[00:48:51.240] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000499)  
Ahead of time.

**[00:48:52.960] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000500)  
So, we need to develop that ability again in the Philippines.

**[00:48:57.220] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000501)  
Otherwise, we cannot fix our plants right away.

**[00:49:02.900] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000502)  
So, in terms of human resource, we do have a lot of engineers.

**[00:49:06.520] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000503)  
And in fact, those foreign experts, when they come, sometimes they are Filipinos.

**[00:49:12.140] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000504)  
We are not able to keep them, Madam Chair.

**[00:49:15.140] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000505)  
So, we do have the talent pool.

**[00:49:18.780] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000506)  
We have a lot of engineering graduates.

**[00:49:21.240] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000507)  
We cannot retain them.

**[00:49:23.600] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000508)  
Just a quick response.

**[00:49:25.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000509)  
I'm actually happy with the bulk of your response because you're already communicating with Ched.

**[00:49:32.340] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000510)  
And that must be because of your experience as a dean.

**[00:49:34.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000511)  
Because in many other sectors that I talked to, parang wala.

**[00:49:38.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000512)  
So, you're already ahead.

**[00:49:40.260] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000513)  
And I'm happy to hear that.

**[00:49:41.200] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000514)  
Ito na bang yung maintenance na lang talaga.

**[00:49:42.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000515)  
So, Secretary, I'm happy to work with whoever will take over USEC Guevara's...

**[00:49:51.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000516)  
Ayan, sige.

**[00:49:52.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000517)  
No, because I want to be sure.

**[00:49:54.300] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000518)  
I want to be sure you get that done.

**[00:49:56.260] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000519)  
I mean, even among how many coal plants are there.

**[00:49:59.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000520)  
How many are there?

**[00:50:00.420] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000521)  
Di ba sila pwedeng mag-unite?

**[00:50:02.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000522)  
And I mean, it's just a matter of getting it done.

**[00:50:05.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000523)  
Di ba?

**[00:50:06.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000524)  
We, actually, just timely enough.

**[00:50:08.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000525)  
We just had a meeting with the...

**[00:50:10.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000526)  
Anong tawag ko dun?

**[00:50:11.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000527)  
Yeah.

**[00:50:12.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000528)  
We are trying to do capacity building projects also with them.

**[00:50:16.940] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000529)  
Para may pool tayo na accredited to do those things.

**[00:50:20.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000530)  
But that's still in the initial stages.

**[00:50:23.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-000531)  
But yes, there's a...

**[00:50:23.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000532)  
Because I remember when we visited the rig in Palawan, Malampaya,

**[00:50:29.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000533)  
when I visited it, what, almost two years ago, a year and a half ago,

**[00:50:34.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000534)  
that was also the issue that if we don't get assurance that there will be a continuity,

**[00:50:42.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000535)  
we'll also lose that very capable manpower that we have.

**[00:50:47.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000536)  
And there are all Filipino crew pa naman.

**[00:50:49.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000537)  
So...

**[00:50:50.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000538)  
So, let's get this going and let's try to maintain na talaga.

**[00:50:55.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000539)  
And yeah, the idea is later on when they're so good, sila naman...

**[00:50:58.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000540)  
Well, nangyari na nga.

**[00:50:59.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000541)  
Umalis na lahat dati.

**[00:51:00.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000542)  
So, let's rebuild again.

**[00:51:03.080] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000543)  
Okay.

**[00:51:03.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000544)  
So, we'll go now.

**[00:51:04.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000545)  
I think, wait, before I go to Attorney Juan, just very quick questions.

**[00:51:08.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000546)  
Very quick.

**[00:51:11.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000547)  
What's our current energy mix?

**[00:51:17.440] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000548)  
We are currently coal.

**[00:51:19.720] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000549)  
Is about 62%.

**[00:51:20.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000550)  
Okay.

**[00:51:22.040] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000551)  
And then, renewables is about 25%.

**[00:51:24.680] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000552)  
And then, you have the rest, the oil and gas and so on, as well as the others.

**[00:51:30.680] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000553)  
And also, BES, battery energy storage system.

**[00:51:35.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000554)  
So, with the top two, that's already equivalent to 87%, no?

**[00:51:40.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000555)  
But I'll give you a minute to tell me how RE is doing.

**[00:51:45.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000556)  
Because we do know that RE use is going up and even the cost of RE is going down.

**[00:51:50.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000557)  
So, can you...

**[00:51:50.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000558)  
Can you make your little, you know, make that statement about it?

**[00:51:53.860] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000559)  
Because this is what so many environmentalists have been waiting to happen.

**[00:51:57.940] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000560)  
And it has happened in our lifetime.

**[00:52:01.200] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000561)  
Madam Chair.

**[00:52:02.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000562)  
Let me just acknowledge Senator Erwin Tulfo.

**[00:52:05.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000563)  
Sir, I'll give you a minute to make an opening statement if you want.

**[00:52:08.260] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000564)  
I'll just let her finish this question.

**[00:52:10.020] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000565)  
Go ahead.

**[00:52:10.680] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000566)  
I don't have any opening statement, Madam Chair.

**[00:52:13.920] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000567)  
Sige.

**[00:52:14.420] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000568)  
So, go ahead and answer the question lang.

**[00:52:16.640] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000569)  
Madam Chair, from 2022 to 2024,

**[00:52:19.040] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000570)  
our renewable energy in the generation mix in megawatt hours was 22%.

**[00:52:24.720] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000571)  
Last year, 2025, it jumped to 25%.

**[00:52:28.940] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000572)  
It's a 3% increase.

**[00:52:31.300] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000573)  
So, we figured based on our plans and the green energy auction results,

**[00:52:37.300] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000574)  
by 2030, we will reach 35% of renewable energy in the generation mix.

**[00:52:44.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000575)  
And that's the target?

**[00:52:46.820] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000576)  
Yes, ma'am.

**[00:52:47.340] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000577)  
Okay.

**[00:52:47.980] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000578)  
And in terms of pricing,

**[00:52:49.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000580)  
banggitin mo na,

**[00:52:50.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000581)  
kasi on record.

**[00:52:52.460] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000582)  
Dati po yung coal, mas mura siya kesa sa solar.

**[00:52:55.520] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000583)  
Ngayon, solar is cheaper than coal already.

**[00:52:59.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000584)  
So, I'll repeat.

**[00:53:00.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000585)  
Solar is now cheaper than coal.

**[00:53:02.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000586)  
So, in our desire to push for more RE, more renewables, more sustainable,

**[00:53:09.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000587)  
we are on track and it should happen because hindi na madaling sabihin na

**[00:53:15.200] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000588)  
mas mura ang coal, kailangan natin umasa sa coal.

**[00:53:17.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000589)  
And can you also add to the discussion?

**[00:53:19.040] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000590)  
So, people understand, no?

**[00:53:21.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000591)  
Because it's very rare that you get a full picture.

**[00:53:25.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000592)  
One of the reasons why RE, renewable energy, was difficult to push was because of the storage.

**[00:53:32.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000593)  
So, kung walang araw, hindi mo na-store yung na-collect mong energy,

**[00:53:36.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000594)  
wala kang magagamit, diba?

**[00:53:38.160] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000595)  
So, hindi siya nagagamit for base load.

**[00:53:41.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000596)  
But now, maybe you can update us on what is the scenario now with the batteries?

**[00:53:49.040] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000597)  
Today, even households can have solar and battery.

**[00:53:52.780] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000598)  
Solar para mag-charge siya ng battery.

**[00:53:55.180] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000599)  
Para pati sa gabi, renewable siya.

**[00:53:57.260] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000600)  
Because battery prices have gone down by 90% in the past 10 years.

**[00:54:02.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000601)  
Okay.

**[00:54:03.080] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000602)  
And Madam Chair, to also add, yung pong ating mga renewables ngayon,

**[00:54:07.360] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000603)  
people are worried na ang mahal naman niyang bagong technology na yan.

**[00:54:11.060] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000604)  
I would like to remind people that when we started solar as fit in 2015,

**[00:54:17.000] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000605)  
the price was ₱9.68

**[00:54:19.560] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000606)  
per kilowatt hour.

**[00:54:20.620] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000607)  
Okay.

**[00:54:21.040] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000608)  
And today, it's 4.5.

**[00:54:22.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000609)  
Wow.

**[00:54:23.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000610)  
So, from 9.68 to 4.5.

**[00:54:27.240] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000611)  
4.5.

**[00:54:28.200] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000612)  
So, we would like to encourage people not to be afraid of the initial high price of new technologies

**[00:54:33.300] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000613)  
because it will really go down.

**[00:54:35.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000614)  
Okay. Thank you for that, ma'am.

**[00:54:38.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000615)  
So, energy mix.

**[00:54:39.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000616)  
And then, my other question is, what's the fastest growing?

**[00:54:43.080] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000617)  
So, solar na nga.

**[00:54:44.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000618)  
Solar.

**[00:54:44.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000619)  
So, yung aasahan ko sana dyan is geothermal din, no?

**[00:54:48.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000620)  
Sana.

**[00:54:48.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000621)  
Sana. Pero hindi pa.

**[00:54:49.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000622)  
Kasi sabi niyo, yung presentation kanina is binabalik pa lang natin ulit eh.

**[00:54:56.080] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000623)  
We are going to borrow money from Asian Development Bank,

**[00:55:00.340] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000624)  
$170 million to de-risk the exploration of wells for geothermal.

**[00:55:06.460] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000625)  
Yun po kasi yung pinaka-risky part eh.

**[00:55:09.220] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000626)  
Kailangan mong mag-drill ng tatlong wells, $6 to $8 million each.

**[00:55:12.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000627)  
Okay.

**[00:55:13.120] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000628)  
Lahat sila successful bago mo sabihin na,

**[00:55:15.660] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000629)  
bakit di ako mag-drill dito?

**[00:55:17.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000630)  
Okay.

**[00:55:17.320] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000631)  
And since 2012, when we sold our geothermal plants,

**[00:55:22.420] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000632)  
we have not had greenfield.

**[00:55:24.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000633)  
Since 2012.

**[00:55:26.040] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000634)  
Because the private sector is afraid of the risk.

**[00:55:28.840] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000635)  
So, the geothermal de-risking facility that we are borrowing from ADB

**[00:55:32.500] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000636)  
will basically say, 50% of the risk will be taken by the government.

**[00:55:37.520] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000637)  
So, land bank, our partner, will lend money for exploration, drilling wells.

**[00:55:43.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000638)  
Okay.

**[00:55:43.440] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000639)  
If the geothermal developer is successful,

**[00:55:47.320] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000640)  
repay land bank.

**[00:55:49.060] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000641)  
If they're not successful, it's a grant from the Philippine government.

**[00:55:52.620] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000642)  
So, tumaya ka, but 50% of that is secure ka.

**[00:55:57.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000643)  
So, yung risk mo is just 50%.

**[00:56:01.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000644)  
And it's a loan from ADB by the government?

**[00:56:06.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000645)  
Is that what it is?

**[00:56:07.660] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-000646)  
Yes. Sovereign guaranteed loan.

**[00:56:09.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000647)  
Okay. So, that means, basically, yung government yung tumataya.

**[00:56:11.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000648)  
It's just that tinulungan tayo ng ADB to provide the funding.

**[00:56:16.160] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000649)  
Okay.

**[00:56:17.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000650)  
So, just for your information, Senator Tulfo,

**[00:56:21.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000651)  
there are just two presentations.

**[00:56:22.980] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000652)  
The first one is done by DOE.

**[00:56:25.080] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000653)  
The second one is going to be presented to us by Attorney Juan for ERC.

**[00:56:30.420] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000654)  
And then, after that, I'll open it to questions.

**[00:56:32.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000655)  
So, are you okay with that?

**[00:56:33.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000656)  
Dalawa lang naman tayo, no?

**[00:56:35.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000657)  
Yes, Madam Chair.

**[00:56:36.460] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000658)  
Okay. So, Attorney Juan, please proceed. Thank you.

**[00:56:41.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000659)  
Thank you, Madam Chair, Honorable Senator Erwin Tulfo,

**[00:56:46.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000660)  
and my Secretary Sharon Garin, and my colleagues in the Energy Family.

**[00:56:51.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000661)  
I am Attorney Juan, Chairperson and CEO of the ERC.

**[00:56:56.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000662)  
And with me are the Commissioners of ERC, Commissioner Floresinda Baldo-Digal,

**[00:57:04.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000663)  
Commissioner Amante Liberato, and Commissioner Paris Real.

**[00:57:09.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000664)  
Our mandate in EPIRA is very clear, and that is to promote competition,

**[00:57:15.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000665)  
ensure

**[00:57:16.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000666)  
consumer choice, protect consumer interests,

**[00:57:19.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000667)  
and keep retail rates based on prudent and reasonable cost recovery,

**[00:57:24.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000668)  
and penalize abuse of market power.

**[00:57:28.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000669)  
Slide three.

**[00:57:29.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000670)  
We regulate the full electricity value chain, the regulated sectors,

**[00:57:34.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000671)  
transmission and distribution, and the competitive sector generation and supply.

**[00:57:39.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000672)  
So, there can be better appreciation of the following slides as regards the ERC accomplishments

**[00:57:46.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000673)  
Let me just describe briefly how we regulate the transmission and distribution sector.

**[00:57:52.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000674)  
Basically, we set the rates and performance standards for our transmission utility, the NGCP,

**[00:58:00.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000675)  
and our distribution utilities, both the private utilities and the electric cooperatives.

**[00:58:08.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000676)  
For our monitoring and oversight over the competitive sector, namely the generation and supply,

**[00:58:14.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000677)  
we basically license it.

**[00:58:16.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000678)  
These entities, the generation companies, through the issuance of certificates of compliance, as well as license the retail electricity suppliers through the issuance of the RES licenses to them.

**[00:58:30.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000679)  
At the same time, we issue regulations that will govern the sector short of setting or regulating the prices at which these entities offer to their respective customers.

**[00:58:46.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000680)  
Except that for generation companies that are selling to distribution utilities for their captive market, we review the power supply agreements.

**[00:59:00.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000681)  
that they enter into, as well as for ancillary service providers that are offering ancillary services to the transmission service provider. We likewise review and approve the ancillary service procurement agreements or ASPAs that they enter into. Slide four: the industry we regulate is valued at ₱4.19 trillion, with the DOE projecting around

**[00:59:30.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000682)  
₱20 to ₱31 trillion in investment needs through 2050, and with this it is anticipated that 1.8 million jobs will be created. So this is the scale of the energy sector that our proposed budget of ₱940 million must support. Next slide, the ERC has awoken from its slumber: 5,149 decisions

**[01:00:00.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000683)  
and orders issued in the period which is more than double the 2,411 issued in the same months

**[01:00:09.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000684)  
a year earlier. With the National Lifeline Subsidy Program that ERC developed last year

**[01:00:16.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000685)  
in consultation with the DOE and the DSWD, lifeline rate subsidy coverage is up 85.33 percent.

**[01:00:25.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000686)  
It now reaches 620,000 qualified marginalized end users. Net metering registrations are up

**[01:00:33.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000687)  
51.77 percent under the streamlined licensing procedures that ERC implemented also last year.

**[01:00:42.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000688)  
Worthy to mention also is the completed rate reset of NGCP both for the fourth regulatory period

**[01:00:50.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000689)  
and the fifth regulatory period. This happened in 2024.

**[01:00:55.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000690)  
And this happened after more than a decade of delays.

**[01:01:01.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000691)  
And together with the rate reset of NGCP was the approval of 1,602 CAPEX projects worth 290 billion.

**[01:01:13.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000692)  
Next slide.

**[01:01:14.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000693)  
The ERC also approved 71.3 billion in refunds as of August 2026.

**[01:01:21.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000694)  
More than triple the 21.3 billion.

**[01:01:25.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000695)  
A year earlier, including the 69.95 billion that Meralco was asked to refund

**[01:01:34.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000696)  
under the true-up mechanism or the actual weighted average tariff mechanism that ERC devised

**[01:01:44.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000697)  
so it can address the period during which there were no rate reset that was conducted for our private distribution.

**[01:01:55.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000698)  
So it is Meralco that was directed but soon because the ERC also directed other private distribution utilities

**[01:02:04.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000699)  
to file similar petitions, we will be acting on the other private distribution utilities' AWAT applications.

**[01:02:15.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000700)  
The ERC also approved last year 292 power supply agreement applications, up from a mere

**[01:02:25.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000701)  
71

**[01:02:25.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000702)  
a year

**[01:02:26.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000703)  
earlier,

**[01:02:27.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000704)  
and 184

**[01:02:28.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000705)  
of those

**[01:02:29.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000706)  
with final

**[01:02:30.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000707)  
authority or decision.

**[01:02:31.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000708)  
Average

**[01:02:32.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000709)  
competitive retail

**[01:02:33.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000710)  
electricity

**[01:02:34.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000711)  
market, or this is the generation

**[01:02:36.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000712)  
charge that is usually

**[01:02:37.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000713)  
offered by

**[01:02:40.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000714)  
retail electricity suppliers

**[01:02:42.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000715)  
to contestable customers,

**[01:02:44.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000716)  
the CREM rates are

**[01:02:46.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000717)  
₱5.33

**[01:02:48.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000718)  
to ₱5.73

**[01:02:50.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000719)  
per kilowatt-hour.

**[01:02:52.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000720)  
So, all in all, we

**[01:02:54.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000721)  
estimate that the CREM

**[01:02:55.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000722)  
delivered 19.87

**[01:02:58.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000723)  
billion in consumer

**[01:03:00.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000724)  
savings in 2025.

**[01:03:02.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000725)  
And related to the

**[01:03:04.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000726)  
CREM is the lowering

**[01:03:05.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000727)  
of the threshold. That happened

**[01:03:08.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000728)  
also last year.

**[01:03:10.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000729)  
From the threshold of

**[01:03:12.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000730)  
500 kilowatt, we lowered

**[01:03:14.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000731)  
the contestability threshold

**[01:03:16.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000732)  
to 100 kilowatt,

**[01:03:18.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000733)  
and then we started,

**[01:03:19.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000734)  
and we restarted

**[01:03:21.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000735)  
the performance-based

**[01:03:22.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000736)  
rate setting for the private

**[01:03:25.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000737)  
distribution utilities

**[01:03:26.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000738)  
after more than

**[01:03:29.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000739)  
a decade of delays

**[01:03:31.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000740)  
and made our

**[01:03:32.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000741)  
filing

**[01:03:34.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000742)  
mandatory, as I mentioned,

**[01:03:36.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000743)  
for all private distribution

**[01:03:38.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000744)  
utilities. In support

**[01:03:40.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000745)  
also of the targets of the

**[01:03:41.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000746)  
Department of Energy for

**[01:03:44.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000747)  
the greater renewable

**[01:03:46.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000748)  
energy share in our total

**[01:03:48.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000749)  
generation mix, we set

**[01:03:50.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000750)  
the green energy auction reserve

**[01:03:52.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000751)  
price for offshore wind and

**[01:03:54.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000752)  
pioneer waste-to-energy projects.

**[01:03:57.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000753)  
We updated

**[01:03:57.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000754)  
the AMI rules or the advanced

**[01:04:00.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000755)  
metering infrastructure rules

**[01:04:01.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000756)  
for smart grid modernization,

**[01:04:04.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000757)  
and addressed long-standing

**[01:04:06.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000758)  
generation sector issues,

**[01:04:08.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000759)  
including the public

**[01:04:10.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000760)  
offering requirement,

**[01:04:12.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000761)  
the PSA and ASPA delayed

**[01:04:14.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000762)  
approvals, point-to-point

**[01:04:16.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000763)  
transmission delayed approvals,

**[01:04:18.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000764)  
fit adjustment, and

**[01:04:20.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000765)  
UCME.

**[01:04:21.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000766)  
Every one of these was delivered

**[01:04:23.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000767)  
within our existing budget.

**[01:04:26.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000768)  
Now, for our

**[01:04:28.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000769)  
priorities for 2027,

**[01:04:31.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000770)  
they remain

**[01:04:31.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000771)  
one, fair

**[01:04:34.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000772)  
and evidence-based

**[01:04:36.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000773)  
rate setting, two,

**[01:04:38.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000774)  
timely resolution of pending

**[01:04:40.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000775)  
cases, three,

**[01:04:42.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000776)  
robust oversight to foster

**[01:04:44.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000777)  
competition, and four,

**[01:04:46.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000778)  
a stable and enhanced regulatory

**[01:04:47.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000779)  
environment to attract

**[01:04:49.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000780)  
investment. All of these

**[01:04:52.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000781)  
are anchored in our most important

**[01:04:53.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000782)  
thrust, which is five, a proactive

**[01:04:56.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000783)  
consumer-focused leadership.

**[01:04:59.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000784)  
Next slide.

**[01:05:00.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000785)  
Under these five major

**[01:05:01.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000786)  
trusts are these activities,

**[01:05:04.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000787)  
one, we will set

**[01:05:05.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000788)  
the reserve

**[01:05:08.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000789)  
prices for emerging technologies

**[01:05:10.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000790)  
under the Green Energy Auction

**[01:05:12.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000791)  
Program of the Department

**[01:05:14.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000792)  
of Energy whenever required,

**[01:05:16.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000793)  
both for on-grid and off-grid,

**[01:05:18.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000794)  
and build the framework

**[01:05:20.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000795)  
for the natural gas

**[01:05:22.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000796)  
auction and

**[01:05:24.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000797)  
possibly nuclear technology

**[01:05:26.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000798)  
in the future, and force

**[01:05:28.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000799)  
the distribution utilities

**[01:05:29.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000800)  
least-cost supply obligations,

**[01:05:32.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000801)  
including

**[01:05:33.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000804)  
More timely audits of their

**[01:05:35.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000805)  
pass-through charges, including

**[01:05:36.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000806)  
a fuel audit of

**[01:05:38.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000807)  
their pass-through fuel charges.

**[01:05:41.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000808)  
And restart and complete

**[01:05:42.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000809)  
the regulatory rate reset

**[01:05:44.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000810)  
proceedings for all regulated

**[01:05:47.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000811)  
entities, both

**[01:05:48.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000812)  
the private distribution utilities

**[01:05:50.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000813)  
and the electric cooperatives,

**[01:05:53.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000814)  
both on-grid and off-grid.

**[01:05:55.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000815)  
By the way, for the electric cooperatives,

**[01:05:57.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000816)  
we have not had any

**[01:05:59.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000817)  
rate reset or rate adjustment

**[01:06:01.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000818)  
for our electric cooperatives.

**[01:06:02.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000819)  
For more,

**[01:06:03.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000820)  
for more than a dozen

**[01:06:05.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000821)  
years. And so it is high time

**[01:06:08.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000822)  
that we look into their rates, especially

**[01:06:10.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000823)  
with the mandate of the

**[01:06:12.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000824)  
president now for these electric cooperatives

**[01:06:14.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000825)  
to shape up, operate more

**[01:06:16.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000826)  
efficiently, and bring down their

**[01:06:17.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000827)  
system losses.

**[01:06:19.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000828)  
We also intend

**[01:06:21.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000829)  
in 2027 to

**[01:06:23.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000830)  
consolidate our ERCify

**[01:06:25.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000831)  
and other apps into one ERC

**[01:06:28.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000832)  
app, ensure full compliance

**[01:06:30.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000833)  
with the EVOSS Act

**[01:06:31.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000834)  
timelines and the

**[01:06:33.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000835)  
135-day

**[01:06:35.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000836)  
Microgrid Systems Act

**[01:06:38.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000837)  
deadline. By the way, as far

**[01:06:40.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000838)  
as our performance in the EVOSS,

**[01:06:42.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000839)  
we are delivering

**[01:06:43.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000840)  
on-time approvals for

**[01:06:45.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000841)  
all the cases and matters under

**[01:06:48.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000842)  
EVOSS. We further

**[01:06:49.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000843)  
streamline our processes

**[01:06:51.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000844)  
under the 2026

**[01:06:54.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000845)  
Rules of Practice and

**[01:06:55.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000846)  
Procedure of the ERC,

**[01:06:57.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000847)  
which we just approved yesterday,

**[01:06:59.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000848)  
and strengthen the monitoring and

**[01:07:01.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000849)  
enforcement for RPS,

**[01:07:03.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000850)  
net metering, DUR, FIT

**[01:07:05.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000851)  
allowance, and JEA allowance

**[01:07:07.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000852)  
compliance. We will again

**[01:07:09.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000853)  
support the ASEAN

**[01:07:11.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000854)  
Power Grid and push for EPIRA amendments

**[01:07:13.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000855)  
to strengthen the ERC's

**[01:07:16.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000856)  
authority, issue

**[01:07:17.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000857)  
regulations and regulatory frameworks

**[01:07:19.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000858)  
where there are gaps,

**[01:07:22.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000859)  
and align them

**[01:07:23.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000860)  
with the amendments to the

**[01:07:25.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000861)  
RE Act and EPIRA, including

**[01:07:27.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000862)  
the roadmap for

**[01:07:29.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000863)  
removing the system loss charge,

**[01:07:31.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000864)  
and ensure timely resolution

**[01:07:33.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000865)  
of all DU and

**[01:07:35.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000866)  
NGCP rate cases,

**[01:07:37.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000867)  
PSA, ASPA, KPEX

**[01:07:39.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000868)  
applications, dispute resolutions,

**[01:07:42.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000869)  
and consumer complaints.

**[01:07:44.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000870)  
We will

**[01:07:45.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000871)  
soon have the new

**[01:07:47.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000872)  
or the 2026 Philippine

**[01:07:49.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000873)  
Grid Code, and

**[01:07:51.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000874)  
with this,

**[01:07:53.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000875)  
we will also enforce

**[01:07:55.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000876)  
the new Magna Carta for

**[01:07:57.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000877)  
Electricity Consumers, backed

**[01:07:59.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000878)  
by a more vigorous information

**[01:08:01.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000879)  
campaign on the new rights that

**[01:08:03.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000880)  
we've defined under this new

**[01:08:05.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000881)  
Magna Carta. We'll also

**[01:08:07.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000882)  
pursue and amend our rules on

**[01:08:09.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000883)  
redistribution, and

**[01:08:11.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000884)  
pursue ISO certification

**[01:08:13.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000885)  
for the Commission.

**[01:08:15.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000886)  
We will also enhance the consumer

**[01:08:17.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000887)  
complaints ticketing system, strengthen

**[01:08:19.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000888)  
the ERC's energy prices

**[01:08:21.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000889)  
response capability, and

**[01:08:23.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000890)  
fully implement and monitor the

**[01:08:25.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000891)  
100 kilowatt retail competition

**[01:08:27.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000892)  
and open access threshold

**[01:08:29.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000893)  
with continuous public

**[01:08:31.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000894)  
education to encourage broader

**[01:08:33.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000895)  
participation. We

**[01:08:35.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000896)  
integrate this threshold into the

**[01:08:37.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000897)  
retail market roadmap

**[01:08:39.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000898)  
alongside the Green Energy

**[01:08:41.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000899)  
Option Program and the Retail

**[01:08:43.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000900)  
Aggregation Program to lay the

**[01:08:45.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000901)  
groundwork for eventual household sector

**[01:08:47.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000902)  
inclusion and

**[01:08:49.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000903)  
support electric vehicle adoption

**[01:08:51.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000904)  
including, hopefully, in

**[01:08:53.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000905)  
ERC's own fleet.

**[01:08:55.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000906)  
For our budget, our GAA

**[01:08:57.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000907)  
grew modestly from

**[01:08:59.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000908)  
911 million in

**[01:09:01.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000909)  
2024 to 931

**[01:09:03.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000910)  
million in 2026.

**[01:09:05.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000911)  
Our proposal for

**[01:09:07.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000912)  
2027 is 1.7

**[01:09:09.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000913)  
billion. It is significantly

**[01:09:11.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000914)  
higher, but it reflects

**[01:09:13.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000915)  
the workload, activities,

**[01:09:15.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000916)  
and the mandate that we just presented.

**[01:09:18.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000917)  
Next slide.

**[01:09:19.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000918)  
Our 2027

**[01:09:21.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000919)  
budget is

**[01:09:22.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000920)  
1.7 billion.

**[01:09:25.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000921)  
However, the NEP

**[01:09:26.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000922)  
only reflects

**[01:09:28.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000923)  
944 million, or

**[01:09:31.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000924)  
a reduction of 44.6

**[01:09:33.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000925)  
percent.

**[01:09:35.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000926)  
That disallowance is mainly

**[01:09:37.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000927)  
in MOOE and

**[01:09:39.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000928)  
capital outlay, the very items

**[01:09:41.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000929)  
that will be funding our rate reset

**[01:09:43.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000930)  
consultancies,

**[01:09:45.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000931)  
ICT modernization, and case

**[01:09:47.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000932)  
resolution capacity.

**[01:09:49.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000933)  
This is the increase we

**[01:09:50.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000934)  
respectfully ask or request of

**[01:09:53.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000935)  
the Honorable Committee

**[01:09:54.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000936)  
to consider.

**[01:09:56.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000937)  
Our overall utilization rate

**[01:09:59.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000938)  
for the first half of each year

**[01:10:00.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000939)  
has climbed steadily from

**[01:10:02.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000940)  
28.08 percent

**[01:10:04.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000941)  
in June of 2021

**[01:10:06.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000942)  
up to 46.81

**[01:10:09.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000943)  
percent in June

**[01:10:10.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000944)  
2026. So this is

**[01:10:12.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000945)  
evidence of stronger absorptive

**[01:10:14.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000946)  
capacity by the ERC

**[01:10:16.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000947)  
to responsibly manage a larger

**[01:10:18.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000948)  
budget. The full

**[01:10:20.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000949)  
year utilization

**[01:10:22.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000950)  
has also strengthened

**[01:10:24.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000951)  
84.2

**[01:10:26.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000952)  
percent by end of 2025.

**[01:10:29.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000953)  
This is up from

**[01:10:30.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000954)  
a low of 62.0%

**[01:10:32.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000955)  
in 2023.

**[01:10:36.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000956)  
For in

**[01:10:36.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000957)  
2025, the

**[01:10:38.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000958)  
ERC generated

**[01:10:39.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000959)  
2.354 billion

**[01:10:42.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000960)  
in revenue,

**[01:10:44.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000961)  
a 121 percent increase

**[01:10:46.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000962)  
over our ₱1.065

**[01:10:48.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000963)  
billion projection,

**[01:10:50.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000964)  
and above our entire budget

**[01:10:52.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000965)  
allocation for two years,

**[01:10:54.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000966)  
2025 and 2026.

**[01:10:57.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000967)  
As of June 30,

**[01:10:58.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000968)  
2026, we have already

**[01:11:00.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000969)  
collected ₱958.3

**[01:11:02.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000970)  
million.

**[01:11:06.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000971)  
And the bulk of the

**[01:11:08.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000972)  
SRF or supervision

**[01:11:10.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000973)  
and regulatory fee collections

**[01:11:12.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000974)  
are expected by end of

**[01:11:14.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000975)  
September 2026.

**[01:11:16.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000976)  
So we are expecting

**[01:11:18.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000977)  
that we will surpass the

**[01:11:20.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000978)  
2.3 billion revenue

**[01:11:22.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000979)  
for the entire year.

**[01:11:24.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000980)  
So as you can see, the ERC

**[01:11:26.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000981)  
is a net revenue generator,

**[01:11:28.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000982)  
a cash machine for the government.

**[01:11:31.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000983)  
This budget request

**[01:11:32.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000984)  
of 1.7 billion is more

**[01:11:34.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000985)  
than offset by what we

**[01:11:36.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000986)  
return to the

**[01:11:38.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000987)  
Treasury. That will be the end

**[01:11:40.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000988)  
of my presentation, Madam Chair,

**[01:11:42.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-000989)  
Honorable Senators.

**[01:11:49.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000990)  
Thank you so much,

**[01:11:52.580] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000991)  
Attorney Wan. I want to recognize

**[01:11:54.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000992)  
our Senate President,

**[01:11:56.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000993)  
Senator Sherwin Gatchalian,

**[01:11:58.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000994)  
former Chairman also of the Committee on Energy,

**[01:12:01.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000995)  
and of course, our Majority Floor Leader,

**[01:12:02.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000996)  
also former Senate President,

**[01:12:05.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000997)  
Migz Zubiri. Hindi pa naman

**[01:12:06.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000998)  
naging Chairman ng Committee on Energy.

**[01:12:07.860] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-000999)  
But on that note,

**[01:12:11.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001000)  
Senator Subiri would like to make

**[01:12:12.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001001)  
some remarks.

**[01:12:32.880] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001002)  
Okay, better.

**[01:12:36.940] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001003)  
Much better. Thank you.

**[01:12:38.320] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001004)  
I'm just here. I'm not going to ask any questions

**[01:12:40.700] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001005)  
to the DOE and

**[01:12:41.620] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001006)  
of course to ERC.

**[01:12:44.020] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001007)  
As far as I'm concerned, they're doing the best

**[01:12:46.180] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001008)  
that they can with whatever we have

**[01:12:48.140] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001009)  
going on around the world

**[01:12:50.140] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001010)  
nowadays with the war

**[01:12:52.300] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001011)  
in the Middle East.

**[01:12:53.740] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001012)  
I'd just like to greet Secretary Sharon

**[01:12:56.100] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001013)  
Garin. A pleasant good afternoon,

**[01:12:58.180] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001014)  
Madam. Of course,

**[01:13:00.400] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001015)  
to the head of the ERC and all the

**[01:13:02.120] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001016)  
members of the ERC.

**[01:13:02.880] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001017)  
All the undersecretaries of the DOE.

**[01:13:06.340] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001018)  
Just maybe one,

**[01:13:08.400] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001019)  
'Yung Philatom

**[01:13:09.520] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001020)  
hindi po sa kanila, Madam. There's a new

**[01:13:11.780] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001021)  
agency called Philatom,

**[01:13:13.740] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001022)  
and I know I'm assisting

**[01:13:15.720] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001023)  
the DOE

**[01:13:18.400] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001024)  
on certain

**[01:13:19.580] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001025)  
treaties, which is

**[01:13:22.040] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001026)  
the nuclear treaties, the four

**[01:13:23.960] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001027)  
nuclear treaties, but we had to

**[01:13:25.900] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001028)  
suspend, Secretary, we had to suspend

**[01:13:28.000] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001029)  
the deliberation because the questions

**[01:13:30.100] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001030)  
were actually on Philatom, and

**[01:13:31.960] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001031)  
since we don't have yet, I think we don't have yet

**[01:13:34.200] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001032)  
a, yeah, maybe we recognize

**[01:13:35.800] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001033)  
Secretary, really just quick answer.

**[01:13:38.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001034)  
Madam Chair, the Philatom

**[01:13:39.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001035)  
ay naipasa nang batas,

**[01:13:42.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001036)  
but the commissioners haven't been

**[01:13:44.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001037)  
appointed yet. Technically,

**[01:13:46.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001038)  
it's under

**[01:13:47.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001039)  
the Office of the President.

**[01:13:50.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001040)  
What's the role of DOE

**[01:13:52.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001041)  
on this? DOE is involved

**[01:13:54.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001042)  
because it is the chair of

**[01:13:56.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001043)  
the NEPYAC,

**[01:13:57.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001044)  
Nuclear Energy Program Interagency

**[01:14:00.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001045)  
Committee, and the,

**[01:14:01.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001046)  
the NEPYAC

**[01:14:03.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001047)  
is the one overseeing

**[01:14:05.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001048)  
everything that's nuclear-related. So, this is

**[01:14:07.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001049)  
nuclear-related. We also,

**[01:14:10.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001050)  
only to the extent of, like,

**[01:14:11.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001051)  
capacity building, organizing the whole thing,

**[01:14:13.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001052)  
but the appointments and the internals

**[01:14:16.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001053)  
and the Philatom, that's not within the

**[01:14:17.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001054)  
DOE. Maybe more of the OST path

**[01:14:19.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001055)  
than DOE.

**[01:14:20.560] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001055-split-2)  
Okay, thank you.

**[01:14:21.960] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001056)  
Yeah, just, we'll have to remind, I guess,

**[01:14:23.900] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001057)  
the executive that there's

**[01:14:25.780] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001058)  
that law created Philatom, and

**[01:14:27.880] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001059)  
we need to appoint

**[01:14:28.640] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001060)  
the head of Philatom as soon as possible,

**[01:14:31.960] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001061)  
so that we can discuss all these other

**[01:14:33.740] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001062)  
policies. Yeah.

**[01:14:35.480] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001063)  
Mahirap yun, ha? Napakahirap maghanap kaya ng

**[01:14:37.760] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001064)  
nuclear physicist or

**[01:14:39.320] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001065)  
some sort of expert on, what do you

**[01:14:42.040] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001066)  
think? Wala akong kaibigan, actually.

**[01:14:43.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001067)  
Ako din, wala din akong kilala.

**[01:14:45.840] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001068)  
But,

**[01:14:46.180] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001069)  
except for Congressman

**[01:14:49.780] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001070)  
Mark Cojuangco, who is a nuclear

**[01:14:51.440] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001071)  
proponent. He's the only one

**[01:14:53.980] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001072)  
I know whenever I think nuclear.

**[01:14:56.120] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001073)  
But, yes, so that's it.

**[01:14:57.920] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001074)  
But I'm here to support the budget of the DOE.

**[01:15:00.000] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001075)  
to support them, not only

**[01:15:02.360] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001076)  
financial support but also

**[01:15:04.640] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001077)  
moral support because I know it's a difficult

**[01:15:06.680] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001078)  
time and they're being

**[01:15:08.400] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001079)  
ganged up but

**[01:15:10.220] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001080)  
at no fault of theirs

**[01:15:12.300] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001081)  
because really, we cannot control

**[01:15:14.600] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001082)  
the factors that are happening in the Middle East

**[01:15:16.560] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001083)  
Your Honors, and I'd like

**[01:15:18.560] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001084)  
to also support the budget of the

**[01:15:20.500] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001085)  
ERC and all the other attached agencies

**[01:15:22.580] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001086)  
of the Department of Energy. Just

**[01:15:24.460] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001087)  
ano lang, Madam Chair, really quick,

**[01:15:26.540] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001088)  
this is for my Bukidnon Airport,

**[01:15:28.560] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001089)  
we put funds, Sania.

**[01:15:30.940] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001090)  
Good to see you, Chairman

**[01:15:32.520] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001091)  
Administrator Almeda.

**[01:15:34.680] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001092)  
Permission to respond, Ma'am.

**[01:15:38.540] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001093)  
Sen,

**[01:15:39.060] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001094)  
just to give you a

**[01:15:40.800] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001095)  
update,

**[01:15:43.340] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001096)  
FIBEKO already

**[01:15:44.320] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001097)  
procured a 10

**[01:15:46.580] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001098)  
MVA substation

**[01:15:48.300] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001099)  
that will be situated in

**[01:15:50.640] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001100)  
Don Carlos, dedicated

**[01:15:52.560] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001101)  
to the Bukidnon Airport.

**[01:15:55.500] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001102)  
The congressional

**[01:15:56.540] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001103)  
initiative of 20 million

**[01:15:58.400] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001104)  
is about to be approved already

**[01:16:00.020] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001105)  
so about to be implemented

**[01:16:02.000] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001106)  
so initially, there was

**[01:16:04.540] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001107)  
a

**[01:16:04.920] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001108)  
there was a

**[01:16:07.920] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001109)  
forecast of

**[01:16:09.700] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001110)  
initial load projection of

**[01:16:11.760] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001111)  
3 megawatts and

**[01:16:14.480] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001112)  
eventually to increase to

**[01:16:16.220] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001113)  
5 megawatts. Let me assure you that

**[01:16:18.280] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001114)  
FIBEKO is ready to accommodate

**[01:16:20.160] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001115)  
the load demand.

**[01:16:22.480] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001116)  
Thank you, Madam Chair,

**[01:16:24.000] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001117)  
Sir Almeda. That's what you

**[01:16:26.300] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001118)  
call the good initiatives done by the

**[01:16:28.320] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001119)  
Senate. We put the

**[01:16:30.320] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001120)  
funds just last year for

**[01:16:32.220] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001121)  
20 million to the construction of

**[01:16:34.260] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001122)  
distribution line for Bukidnon Airport.

**[01:16:36.280] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001123)  
Thank you for that update. More power

**[01:16:38.420] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001124)  
to you, Sir, and hopefully we can land.

**[01:16:40.560] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001125)  
I will invite all of you to land there

**[01:16:42.140] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001126)  
pag natapos na yung aming Bukidnon Airport.

**[01:16:44.540] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001127)  
Thank you, Pa. Kung kailangan niyong

**[01:16:45.960] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001128)  
bumisita ng North Cotabato,

**[01:16:48.020] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001129)  
ng Wao, Lanosur,

**[01:16:50.480] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001130)  
or even the southern part of

**[01:16:52.380] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001131)  
Davao, which is the Buda area,

**[01:16:55.260] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001132)  
dyan na po kayo mag-landing

**[01:16:56.400] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001133)  
sa amin. So, once again,

**[01:16:58.320] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001134)  
may salamat. I have nothing but

**[01:16:59.920] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001135)  
full support to the budgets of these

**[01:17:01.860] Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri** (asr-001136)  
departments. Thank you.

**[01:17:03.260] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001137)  
Thank you. The Majority Floor

**[01:17:06.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001138)  
Leader might have to leave soon. So, before

**[01:17:08.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001139)  
I give the floor to the Chairman of the

**[01:17:10.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001140)  
Committee on Energy, sabi niya full support.

**[01:17:12.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001141)  
So, sasabihin ko na sa kanya at habang

**[01:17:13.980] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001142)  
nandito ang Senate President, ang

**[01:17:16.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001143)  
current Chairman ng Committee on Energy, and the

**[01:17:18.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001144)  
Majority Floor Leader, ako na magsasabi

**[01:17:20.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001145)  
para mabilis yung inyong mga budgetary requests.

**[01:17:22.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001146)  
Okay? Huwag kayong maingay

**[01:17:24.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001147)  
para full attention sila.

**[01:17:26.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001148)  
So, mas malaki ng

**[01:17:28.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001149)  
konti ito sa 20 milyon.

**[01:17:30.460] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001150)  
Yung sa, ano, NEA,

**[01:17:32.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001151)  
kay, ano, kay

**[01:17:33.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001152)  
Chairman Almeda,

**[01:17:36.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001153)  
they need 7 billion

**[01:17:37.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001154)  
for, to implement the Systems

**[01:17:40.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001155)  
Loss Reduction Program, kasi

**[01:17:41.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001156)  
tatamaan talaga dito yung mga

**[01:17:43.580] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001157)  
cooperatives. Now, this is

**[01:17:45.980] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001158)  
for the removal,

**[01:17:48.460] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001159)  
reduction of the non-technical

**[01:17:49.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001160)  
systems losses. And then, in

**[01:17:51.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001161)  
addition, they have a 3 billion request

**[01:17:54.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001162)  
for line enhancement of ailing

**[01:17:56.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001163)  
electric cooperatives. We can

**[01:17:57.960] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001164)  
ask later for details na lang. I'm just putting

**[01:18:00.040] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001165)  
it here now habang kumpleto

**[01:18:02.160] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001166)  
pa 'tong powerhouse natin.

**[01:18:04.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001167)  
And then,

**[01:18:06.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001168)  
ERC, nabanggit na, pero

**[01:18:08.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001169)  
uulitin ko na lang, it's

**[01:18:10.040] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001170)  
728 million lang naman.

**[01:18:12.160] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001171)  
Hindi man lang umabot sa billion

**[01:18:13.600] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001172)  
para, ano, magawa

**[01:18:16.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001173)  
nila lahat nitong, nothing

**[01:18:18.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001174)  
new, but yung mga kailangan nilang gawin.

**[01:18:20.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001175)  
This is for MOOE and

**[01:18:21.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001176)  
capital outlay. Hindi ko na iisahin,

**[01:18:24.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001177)  
pero the letter, I can

**[01:18:26.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001178)  
give everyone a copy. It's addressed to

**[01:18:27.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001179)  
Chairman J.V.

**[01:18:30.040] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001180)  
Ejercito. And then,

**[01:18:33.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001181)  
NPC, meron ba sa mga

**[01:18:35.980] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001182)  
GIDAS and ano?

**[01:18:37.980] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001183)  
Or may pera ka na?

**[01:18:39.340] NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles** (asr-001184)  
Wala pong pera. Hiningi sa special

**[01:18:42.020] NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles** (asr-001185)  
provision po.

**[01:18:42.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001185-split-2)  
Ah, special provision.

**[01:18:44.320] NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles** (asr-001186)  
Susulat po kami.

**[01:18:45.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001186-split-2)  
But with the special

**[01:18:46.200] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001187)  
provision, okay na.

**[01:18:47.700] NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles** (asr-001188)  
Just the special provision para lang

**[01:18:49.540] NAPOCOR President and CEO Jericho Jonas B. Nograles** (asr-001189)  
mga chairperson.

**[01:18:51.050] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001189-split-2)  
Madali yun.

**[01:18:51.960] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001190)  
Okay. So, on that note, that's on

**[01:18:54.040] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001191)  
record. I will now give the floor

**[01:18:56.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001192)  
to the Chairperson.

**[01:18:57.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001193)  
Chairman of the Committee on Energy, Senator

**[01:18:59.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001194)  
Ay, did I forget something?

**[01:19:01.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001195)  
Senator Tulfo, you have the floor.

**[01:19:03.480] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001196)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[01:19:05.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001197)  
I would just like to direct my question first.

**[01:19:08.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001198)  
Dito po sa

**[01:19:08.680] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001199)  
Administrator ng National

**[01:19:11.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001200)  
Electrification Administration.

**[01:19:14.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001201)  
Mr. Administrator,

**[01:19:16.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001202)  
Almeda, yung pong

**[01:19:17.680] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001203)  
7 billion, ano ho ito?

**[01:19:19.600] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001204)  
Is this ikang

**[01:19:21.220] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001205)  
subsidy? Is it a grant that you're

**[01:19:23.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001206)  
asking? Or ito po ba ipatautang

**[01:19:25.860] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001207)  
sa mga cooperative natin?

**[01:19:27.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001208)  
Para saan po ito? Pakipaliwanag nga.

**[01:19:30.640] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001209)  
Your Honors,

**[01:19:31.880] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001210)  
the 7 billion is

**[01:19:33.700] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001211)  
a fund

**[01:19:34.940] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001212)  
in addition to the

**[01:19:37.640] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001213)  
loan equity fund of the

**[01:19:39.820] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001214)  
National Electrification Administration

**[01:19:41.840] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001215)  
to loan to the

**[01:19:44.020] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001216)  
electric cooperatives to cushion

**[01:19:45.920] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001217)  
the effect

**[01:19:47.880] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001218)  
of the elimination of the

**[01:19:49.900] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001219)  
non-technical system losses.

**[01:19:52.400] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001220)  
The elimination

**[01:19:54.040] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001221)  
of the non-technical system losses

**[01:19:55.760] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001222)  
would entail a lot of

**[01:19:57.440] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001223)  
expenditures.

**[01:19:59.940] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001224)  
Case in point,

**[01:20:01.740] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001225)  
the electric cooperatives will have

**[01:20:03.600] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001226)  
to do a lot of metering

**[01:20:05.400] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001227)  
requirements. May metrohan

**[01:20:07.820] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001228)  
po yung lahat ng walang metro.

**[01:20:10.420] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001229)  
Lahat ho ng nagnanakaw

**[01:20:11.960] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001230)  
ay puputulan at lalagyan

**[01:20:13.640] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001231)  
ho ng panibagong metro.

**[01:20:15.800] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001232)  
Yun po ang aming

**[01:20:17.060] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001233)  
na-design yung plano

**[01:20:19.040] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001234)  
that will be involved

**[01:20:21.520] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001235)  
in four stages.

**[01:20:23.660] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001236)  
And the implementation

**[01:20:25.800] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001237)  
will be in phases.

**[01:20:27.320] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001238)  
Kinantify po namin

**[01:20:29.920] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001239)  
ang funding requirement

**[01:20:32.820] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001240)  
para maka-cope up

**[01:20:34.100] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001241)  
ang mga electric cooperatives

**[01:20:35.600] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001242)  
on phase 1, which will be

**[01:20:38.220] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001243)  
the reduction of the

**[01:20:40.020] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001244)  
non-technical system losses to 25%,

**[01:20:42.600] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001245)  
it will entail

**[01:20:43.780] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001246)  
more or less about

**[01:20:45.620] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001247)  
4 billion

**[01:20:46.440] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001248)  
in capital

**[01:20:50.820] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001249)  
expenditure.

**[01:20:53.380] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001250)  
Phase 2,

**[01:20:54.580] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001251)  
pagdating po ng phase 2,

**[01:20:57.160] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001252)  
ang pag-aaral,

**[01:20:57.320] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001253)  
ang projection po namin ay pwede

**[01:20:58.880] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001254)  
nang bawasan ng 50%

**[01:21:00.480] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001255)  
ang non-technical system losses.

**[01:21:02.580] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001256)  
It will again entail about 1 billion

**[01:21:04.900] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001257)  
of capital and expenditure.

**[01:21:08.020] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001258)  
And phase 3,

**[01:21:09.620] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001259)  
pagdumating na po sa phase 3,

**[01:21:11.320] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001260)  
pwede na po natin tanggalin ng 75%

**[01:21:13.960] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001261)  
ng non-technical system losses.

**[01:21:16.420] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001262)  
Another 1 billion.

**[01:21:18.120] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001263)  
And at the last phase,

**[01:21:19.580] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001264)  
where there will be a total elimination

**[01:21:21.740] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001265)  
of the non-technical system losses,

**[01:21:23.640] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001266)  
meaning 100% na po ang tatanggalin natin,

**[01:21:26.160] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001267)  
it will entail

**[01:21:27.200] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001268)  
another 1.5 billion.

**[01:21:28.760] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-001269)  
A total of 7.5 billion, sir.

**[01:21:31.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001270)  
Thank you po,

**[01:21:33.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001271)  
Administrator Almeda.

**[01:21:35.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001272)  
Now, when I came in,

**[01:21:36.960] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001273)  
it was Yusek Ruena Guevara

**[01:21:39.340] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001274)  
making a presentation

**[01:21:41.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001275)  
about solar energy.

**[01:21:42.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001276)  
Undersecretary,

**[01:21:44.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001277)  
what is the lifetime of solar panels?

**[01:21:48.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001278)  
Kasi mukhang

**[01:21:48.980] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001279)  
papunta na po tayo doon eh.

**[01:21:51.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001280)  
So ano po ang

**[01:21:52.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001281)  
lifetime

**[01:21:54.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001282)  
ng existence

**[01:21:56.440] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001283)  
ng solar panels?

**[01:21:57.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001284)  
Senator, yung mga bagong labas

**[01:22:00.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001285)  
ay mga 25 years po.

**[01:22:02.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001286)  
Okay. Kasi ma'am,

**[01:22:04.920] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001287)  
meron na po ba tayong

**[01:22:06.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001288)  
pinag-aaralan, how do we

**[01:22:08.480] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001289)  
dispose them kung hindi

**[01:22:10.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001290)  
natin ma-reuse? Because I was

**[01:22:12.420] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001291)  
just talking to some Japanese

**[01:22:14.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001292)  
legislators kanina

**[01:22:15.860] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001293)  
and he is assigned with

**[01:22:18.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001294)  
the Committee on Energy nila

**[01:22:20.220] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001295)  
sa Senate. And ito po yung

**[01:22:21.980] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001296)  
pinag-aaralan ng Senate nila,

**[01:22:23.920] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001297)  
how to dispose them properly?

**[01:22:25.820] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001298)  
Kasi nga may life,

**[01:22:27.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001299)  
time lang po eh. Hindi naman daw po ito

**[01:22:29.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001300)  
basta-basta ibabaon lang sa lupa

**[01:22:31.160] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001301)  
o itapon lang.

**[01:22:33.240] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001302)  
Kaya they're looking for ways.

**[01:22:35.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001303)  
Are we doing that now? Are we studying?

**[01:22:37.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001304)  
Paano pag 25 years

**[01:22:39.240] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001305)  
tapos na ito, kailangan ko na palitan,

**[01:22:40.860] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001306)  
itapon ito. Tatapon lang ba ito?

**[01:22:43.480] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001307)  
Ibabaon? Pinag-aaralan nyo na

**[01:22:45.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001308)  
at this point, how you will,

**[01:22:47.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001309)  
how we will dispose all of

**[01:22:49.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001310)  
this solar panels, ma'am?

**[01:22:51.900] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001311)  
Thank you for that question.

**[01:22:53.360] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001312)  
Meron po tayong Renewable Energy

**[01:22:55.120] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001313)  
Trust Fund wherein we fund

**[01:22:57.080] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001314)  
studies. May dalawa pong

**[01:22:59.260] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001315)  
universities na mag-uumpisang mag-aral

**[01:23:01.460] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001316)  
po niyan sometime before the

**[01:23:03.280] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001317)  
end of the year po. Tamang-tama,

**[01:23:05.600] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001318)  
2015 kasi po tayo nag-start

**[01:23:07.240] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001319)  
ng solar. Ay mga lifetime

**[01:23:09.180] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001320)  
ng mga yan, 15 to 20.

**[01:23:11.100] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001321)  
So by 2030, in place na po yung technologies

**[01:23:13.600] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001322)  
na gagamitin natin for

**[01:23:15.220] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001323)  
sometimes yung ibang parts kasi

**[01:23:17.120] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001324)  
pwedeng i-reuse. Yung ibang

**[01:23:19.120] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001325)  
parts pwedeng i-recycle. Tapos

**[01:23:21.320] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001326)  
yung ibang parts, you have to do something

**[01:23:23.320] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001327)  
else to change the form po.

**[01:23:26.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001328)  
Yung something,

**[01:23:27.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001329)  
something else, anong gagawin doon?

**[01:23:28.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001330)  
Yung reuse, okay po tayo.

**[01:23:31.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001331)  
Yung ika nga, recycle. Pero

**[01:23:32.960] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001332)  
yung other parts na hindi mo pwedeng i-reuse,

**[01:23:35.440] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001333)  
i-recycle, ano po mangyayari?

**[01:23:36.860] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001334)  
Hindi naman natin pwedeng ibaon sa lupa

**[01:23:39.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001335)  
o i-tapon.

**[01:23:39.920] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001335-split-2)  
Ang gagawin po

**[01:23:41.160] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001336)  
doon sa dalawang studies ay

**[01:23:42.900] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001337)  
ang tawag nila green

**[01:23:44.540] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001338)  
processing. Ipa-process po

**[01:23:46.880] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001339)  
para ma-extract yung mga

**[01:23:48.760] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001340)  
iba't ibang chemicals

**[01:23:50.840] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001341)  
na present doon sa hindi

**[01:23:52.700] DOE Undersecretary Rowena Cristina L. Guevara** (asr-001342)  
ma-recycle at hindi ma-reuse.

**[01:23:54.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001343)  
Alright, thank you Yusef.

**[01:23:57.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001344)  
I'll direct my question now to

**[01:23:59.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001345)  
Secretary Garin. Secretary,

**[01:24:01.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001346)  
the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company

**[01:24:03.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001347)  
is

**[01:24:05.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001348)  
and na-mention ko

**[01:24:07.700] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001349)  
ito sa last hearing po natin,

**[01:24:09.240] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001350)  
is really volunteering to

**[01:24:11.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001351)  
put up storage facilities.

**[01:24:13.760] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001352)  
As a matter of fact,

**[01:24:14.600] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001353)  
sa three main islands natin, isa sa

**[01:24:17.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001354)  
Luzon, isa sa Visayas,

**[01:24:19.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001355)  
sa Mindanao, ang kailangan

**[01:24:21.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001356)  
lang nila po sa atin ay yung lupa

**[01:24:23.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001357)  
kung saan sila maglalagay.

**[01:24:25.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001358)  
And I was talking to them initially,

**[01:24:27.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001359)  
they're saying they can put up like about

**[01:24:28.760] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001360)  
50 million

**[01:24:30.720] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001361)  
barrels

**[01:24:33.340] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001362)  
dito po storage

**[01:24:35.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001363)  
per area.

**[01:24:37.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001364)  
Ang lupa, alam po kailangan, pero

**[01:24:38.820] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001365)  
they will pay for all of it, construction,

**[01:24:41.600] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001366)  
pati po yung paglalagay ng laman.

**[01:24:44.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001367)  
And then sabi ko, what do we

**[01:24:45.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001368)  
get out of that? Sabi nila,

**[01:24:47.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001369)  
well, you will be, kung magkakaproblema

**[01:24:49.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001370)  
man sa mga oil, kagaya nang

**[01:24:51.020] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001371)  
nangyari ngayon, kayo ang unang

**[01:24:52.720] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001372)  
makikinabang because nandyan sa lugar

**[01:24:55.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001373)  
ninyo, it's a storage facility.

**[01:24:57.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001374)  
Kung 50 million

**[01:24:58.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001375)  
barrels, actually,

**[01:25:01.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001376)  
that's about 150

**[01:25:03.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001377)  
million po

**[01:25:03.980] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001378)  
storage. And we consume

**[01:25:07.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001379)  
about 450,000

**[01:25:08.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001380)  
barrels per day. So,

**[01:25:10.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001381)  
madiyak malaki ho. And then

**[01:25:12.920] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001382)  
Saudi Arabia is also interested.

**[01:25:15.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001383)  
Ano na ho nangyayari doon, ma'am?

**[01:25:17.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001384)  
Madam Chair,

**[01:25:19.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001385)  
yes,

**[01:25:20.940] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001386)  
numerous yung

**[01:25:22.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001387)  
advantages of having our own

**[01:25:25.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001388)  
reserve or being a regional

**[01:25:26.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001389)  
reserve also for

**[01:25:28.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001390)  
ASEAN or ASIA.

**[01:25:31.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001391)  
There are many advantages,

**[01:25:33.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001392)  
not only for energy security, pero

**[01:25:35.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001393)  
medyo protected tayo

**[01:25:37.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001394)  
sa mga inflation, sa mga

**[01:25:39.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001395)  
currency exchange na impact niyan.

**[01:25:42.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001396)  
As to the

**[01:25:43.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001397)  
interest, we are not

**[01:25:45.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001398)  
lacking in interest in putting

**[01:25:47.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001399)  
up the stockpiling

**[01:25:49.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001400)  
here. I'll have, if

**[01:25:51.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001401)  
you,

**[01:25:53.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001402)  
Sandy Salas, can answer the rest of the

**[01:25:55.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001403)  
question.

**[01:25:56.880] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001404)  
Yes, sir. Maraming

**[01:25:59.460] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001405)  
ang interesado. In fact,

**[01:26:02.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001406)  
ang

**[01:26:02.720] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001407)  
nag-meet po tayo with

**[01:26:05.620] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001408)  
Adnok at saka si Saudi

**[01:26:07.580] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001409)  
Aramco through the efforts din

**[01:26:09.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001410)  
ng Japanese government

**[01:26:10.820] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001411)  
na nagkaroon ng

**[01:26:13.620] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001412)  
separate meetings with Japan

**[01:26:15.680] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001413)  
sitting in as

**[01:26:17.720] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001414)  
the third party.

**[01:26:19.920] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001415)  
So, nakausap na natin ang

**[01:26:21.320] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001416)  
Saudi and the Saudi Aramco

**[01:26:23.340] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001417)  
for the second meeting kahapon lang po.

**[01:26:25.740] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001418)  
Nire-iterate po nila.

**[01:26:27.900] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001419)  
And then, in-schedule natin yung

**[01:26:29.460] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001420)  
second meeting with Adnok.

**[01:26:32.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001421)  
Along the same lines, ang

**[01:26:33.600] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001422)  
kanilang mga proposal na

**[01:26:35.700] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001423)  
maglagay ng forward

**[01:26:37.380] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001424)  
storage. This will

**[01:26:39.740] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001425)  
be their commercial storage

**[01:26:41.580] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001426)  
na mabibenta nila around the region

**[01:26:43.840] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001427)  
and they will

**[01:26:45.380] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001428)  
spend for the

**[01:26:46.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001429)  
setting up the facility

**[01:26:49.420] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001430)  
and yung produkto na

**[01:26:51.560] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001431)  
ilalagay sa mga tangke.

**[01:26:53.260] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001432)  
At ang ating

**[01:26:55.180] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001433)  
interest will be

**[01:26:57.400] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001434)  
it gives us the flexibility

**[01:26:59.780] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001435)  
for how we handle

**[01:27:01.900] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001436)  
yung ating National Strategic

**[01:27:03.820] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001437)  
Petroleum Reserve

**[01:27:05.100] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001438)  
because we could build alongside

**[01:27:07.880] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001439)  
para makatipid sa

**[01:27:09.320] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001440)  
sarili nating tangke

**[01:27:11.600] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001441)  
or we could just

**[01:27:13.120] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001442)  
have arrangement with them

**[01:27:15.180] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001443)  
to have access sa product

**[01:27:17.900] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001444)  
so hindi na tayo gagasto

**[01:27:19.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001445)  
sa tangke mismo.

**[01:27:22.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001446)  
Ang principal na

**[01:27:23.360] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001447)  
trabaho natin,

**[01:27:25.180] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001448)  
na ginagawa namin ngayon is

**[01:27:27.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001449)  
i-scout yung available

**[01:27:29.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001450)  
na lupa. Kasi

**[01:27:31.160] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001451)  
malaking lupa yung kailangan.

**[01:27:33.840] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001452)  
So normally, sa malalaking

**[01:27:35.460] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001453)  
tank, baka 1 million

**[01:27:37.040] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001454)  
barrels, mga 10 hectares po

**[01:27:39.060] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001455)  
ang kailangan because may mga

**[01:27:41.040] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001456)  
safety

**[01:27:42.100] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001457)  
considerations, yung layo nila,

**[01:27:45.580] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001458)  
magkakanal sa gitna

**[01:27:46.940] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001459)  
between the tanks. So

**[01:27:48.900] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001460)  
when you talk about that volume,

**[01:27:51.400] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001461)  
yung 50 million, malaking

**[01:27:53.340] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001462)  
area po yun. But we can

**[01:27:55.260] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001463)  
assure the committee

**[01:27:56.860] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001464)  
that yung interest

**[01:27:59.120] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001465)  
is very high and we are continually

**[01:28:01.100] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001466)  
engaging.

**[01:28:05.160] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001467)  
As per yung direction natin

**[01:28:07.260] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001468)  
ngayon, meron po ng

**[01:28:08.860] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001469)  
working group ang department,

**[01:28:11.900] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001470)  
DOE and PNOC,

**[01:28:13.800] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001471)  
which eventually

**[01:28:14.740] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001472)  
will be the implementing arm

**[01:28:17.380] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001473)  
para sa ating

**[01:28:18.260] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001474)  
petroleum reserve. In fact,

**[01:28:20.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001475)  
PNOC has already

**[01:28:22.320] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001476)  
spearheaded

**[01:28:24.560] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001477)  
even without pa itong

**[01:28:27.020] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001478)  
mga agreements natin sa foreign

**[01:28:29.080] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001479)  
crude oil suppliers,

**[01:28:31.000] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001480)  
they are committing to build a 1 million

**[01:28:33.100] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001481)  
barrel facility sa lupa

**[01:28:35.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001482)  
po nila sa Bataan,

**[01:28:37.360] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001483)  
which strategically po

**[01:28:39.080] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001484)  
e katabi ng refinery

**[01:28:40.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001485)  
sa Bataan din.

**[01:28:43.080] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001486)  
So maganda yung strategic position.

**[01:28:45.720] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001487)  
It was one of the points of

**[01:28:47.060] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001488)  
discussion po kahapon sa

**[01:28:48.760] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001489)  
Saudi Aramco about

**[01:28:51.240] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001490)  
also using yung

**[01:28:53.600] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001491)  
area ni PNOC.

**[01:28:56.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001492)  
Unfortunately,

**[01:28:58.440] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001493)  
yung interesting doon, pero

**[01:28:59.400] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001494)  
for the big 50 million,

**[01:29:02.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001495)  
maliit po yung lupa

**[01:29:04.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001496)  
ng PNOC kasi 150

**[01:29:06.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001497)  
hectares lang

**[01:29:07.860] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001498)  
ang available.

**[01:29:10.020] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001499)  
So if we just

**[01:29:11.700] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001500)  
ballpark 50 million

**[01:29:14.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001501)  
barrels, 10 hectares

**[01:29:16.340] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001502)  
per million barrels,

**[01:29:18.200] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001503)  
500 hectares po

**[01:29:20.160] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001504)  
para sa

**[01:29:21.080] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001505)  
50 million.

**[01:29:23.120] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001506)  
Hindi naman po sila, in our

**[01:29:25.360] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001507)  
mind, not mutually exclusive

**[01:29:27.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001508)  
kung gusto ni Saudi Aramco,

**[01:29:30.460] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001509)  
pwede pa rin si

**[01:29:31.260] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001510)  
Adnoc kasi ang

**[01:29:32.680] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001511)  
initial vision naman nila is

**[01:29:35.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001512)  
commercial storage nila to sell

**[01:29:37.340] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001513)  
product. So

**[01:29:38.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001514)  
these are not mutually

**[01:29:40.760] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001515)  
exclusive for the two

**[01:29:43.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001516)  
entities.

**[01:29:45.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001517)  
My next question is,

**[01:29:47.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001518)  
kailan ho kaya ito mangyayari? Because

**[01:29:49.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001519)  
these people are

**[01:29:50.480] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001520)  
volunteering na, they're just waiting

**[01:29:52.700] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001521)  
for us kung makapag-provide

**[01:29:55.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001522)  
po tayo ng land. Alam nyo naman

**[01:29:56.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001523)  
siguro, ano yung

**[01:29:58.740] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001524)  
ibig sabihin yan?

**[01:30:00.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001525)  
meron tayong storage facilities

**[01:30:01.520] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001526)  
ng mga Dubai

**[01:30:03.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001527)  
dito ng Saudi Arabia,

**[01:30:06.340] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001528)  
eh di na ho, magkagyera

**[01:30:07.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001529)  
man doon, magbombahan sa

**[01:30:09.120] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001530)  
Strait of Hormuz, sa

**[01:30:10.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001531)  
Arabian Sea, etc.

**[01:30:13.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001532)  
Eh meron ho tayong, ikang nandyan

**[01:30:15.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001533)  
na sa ating lupa,

**[01:30:17.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001534)  
di na ho tayong mangangamba,

**[01:30:19.220] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001535)  
matataranta si Secretary Garin

**[01:30:20.920] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001536)  
pag meron namang gyera na makikiusap

**[01:30:23.520] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001537)  
magpapalimos, eh meron na tayo

**[01:30:25.520] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001538)  
dito. And the assurance

**[01:30:27.560] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001539)  
from this government, like,

**[01:30:29.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001540)  
kayo yung una pagbibintahan namin.

**[01:30:31.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001541)  
So, hindi tayo kakaba-kaba.

**[01:30:32.700] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001542)  
So, when do you think this will be possible,

**[01:30:35.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001543)  
Yusef?

**[01:30:36.800] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001544)  
Yes, uh, una, sir,

**[01:30:39.120] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001545)  
yung paghanap ng lupa, and we

**[01:30:41.000] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001546)  
are actively, ang una namin

**[01:30:42.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001547)  
tinignan actually was somewhere in

**[01:30:44.860] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001548)  
Northern Mindanao, but mukhang

**[01:30:46.840] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001549)  
hindi makukuha ng Department of Energy.

**[01:30:50.060] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001550)  
So, we have,

**[01:30:51.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001551)  
we're now looking at another

**[01:30:53.160] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001552)  
area in Zamboanga,

**[01:30:55.140] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001553)  
much larger. So,

**[01:30:57.880] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001554)  
pupuntahan na rin namin

**[01:30:59.020] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001555)  
jointly with the PNOC.

**[01:31:01.340] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001556)  
But ang agreement namin is

**[01:31:03.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001557)  
to fast-track, because meron po,

**[01:31:05.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001558)  
tama po kayo, may interested party.

**[01:31:08.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001559)  
So, pina-fast-track namin

**[01:31:09.840] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001560)  
yung identification at acquisition

**[01:31:12.120] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001561)  
ng lupa, para

**[01:31:13.620] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001562)  
mailagay po itong mga

**[01:31:15.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001563)  
strategic reserves

**[01:31:17.400] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001564)  
sa bansa po natin.

**[01:31:19.600] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001565)  
Right, thank you. Let me now direct my next

**[01:31:21.780] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001566)  
question, if you would please, Madam Chair.

**[01:31:24.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001567)  
Uh, Attorney Juan.

**[01:31:26.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001568)  
Sir, ang SAMELCO I,

**[01:31:27.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001569)  
dito sa Samar,

**[01:31:29.020] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001570)  
regarding the WESM,

**[01:31:31.660] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001571)  
particular po yung

**[01:31:32.680] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001572)  
exorbitant unjust pricing po.

**[01:31:36.680] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001573)  
So, what are you doing

**[01:31:37.700] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001574)  
with this? Ito po yung nakarating na ho ba

**[01:31:39.960] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001575)  
sa inyo?

**[01:31:42.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001576)  
Madam Chair,

**[01:31:43.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001577)  
yes po, nakarating sa atin.

**[01:31:45.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001578)  
Dalawa yung naging kadahilanan

**[01:31:47.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001579)  
ng mataas na

**[01:31:48.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001580)  
singilan sa WESM these past

**[01:31:50.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001581)  
few months.

**[01:31:53.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001582)  
And for the case of Samelco

**[01:31:55.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001583)  
and the other

**[01:31:55.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001584)  
Visayas distribution utilities,

**[01:31:59.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001585)  
for the past few years,

**[01:32:01.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001586)  
whenever there's the congestion

**[01:32:03.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001587)  
of the interconnection lines,

**[01:32:05.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001588)  
ito po yung line rental or yung

**[01:32:07.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001589)  
line loss and congestion charge

**[01:32:09.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001590)  
issue. And

**[01:32:10.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001591)  
more recently, because of

**[01:32:13.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001592)  
the yellow and red alerts

**[01:32:14.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001593)  
in the Visayas and

**[01:32:16.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001594)  
Mindanao regions,

**[01:32:19.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001595)  
the spike in WESM prices

**[01:32:21.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001596)  
that reached 18

**[01:32:23.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001597)  
pesos

**[01:32:24.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001598)  
for Mindanao, and

**[01:32:27.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001599)  
19 pesos for

**[01:32:28.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001600)  
Visayas. So,

**[01:32:31.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001601)  
we've actually acted

**[01:32:32.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001602)  
quickly in

**[01:32:34.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001603)  
that case of

**[01:32:37.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001604)  
the WESM spikes.

**[01:32:38.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001605)  
We directed

**[01:32:41.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001606)  
the implementation

**[01:32:42.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001607)  
of the secondary

**[01:32:44.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001608)  
price cap by region

**[01:32:47.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001609)  
instead of system-wide

**[01:32:49.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001610)  
so that we were

**[01:32:51.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001611)  
able to temper WESM prices

**[01:32:53.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001612)  
from as high as 19 pesos

**[01:32:55.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001613)  
down to around 8 pesos

**[01:32:57.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001614)  
for Visayas.

**[01:32:58.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001615)  
We've directed IEMOP

**[01:33:00.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001616)  
to recalculate

**[01:33:02.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001617)  
the WESM clearing

**[01:33:04.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001618)  
prices for the August billing, and

**[01:33:06.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001619)  
we intend to continue that

**[01:33:08.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001620)  
for September since we

**[01:33:10.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001621)  
anticipate that there'll still be some

**[01:33:12.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001622)  
supply deficit happening

**[01:33:15.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001623)  
in September for the Visayas.

**[01:33:17.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001624)  
So, para po matemper

**[01:33:19.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001625)  
yung WESM prices.

**[01:33:21.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001626)  
Pagdating po dun sa line rentals

**[01:33:23.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001627)  
or bilateral line

**[01:33:24.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001628)  
loss and congestion charges,

**[01:33:26.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001629)  
we've issued the August 13th

**[01:33:28.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001630)  
order asking

**[01:33:30.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001631)  
also IEMOP

**[01:33:32.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001632)  
to recalculate the

**[01:33:34.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001633)  
line rentals and NSS

**[01:33:36.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001634)  
allocations. Pagka meron po

**[01:33:38.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001635)  
kasing line rentals,

**[01:33:41.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001636)  
meron din na

**[01:33:43.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001637)  
kukompute

**[01:33:44.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001638)  
na net settlement surplus,

**[01:33:47.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001639)  
and supposedly this is

**[01:33:48.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001640)  
return flow back to the

**[01:33:50.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001641)  
customers that paid

**[01:33:52.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001642)  
these higher

**[01:33:54.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001643)  
line rentals in the proportion of

**[01:33:56.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001644)  
their contribution. We've seen

**[01:33:58.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001645)  
some

**[01:33:59.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001646)  
inequity in the

**[01:34:02.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001647)  
way the system, the

**[01:34:04.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001648)  
CRSS that is used in

**[01:34:06.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001649)  
WESM, computes for

**[01:34:08.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001650)  
the NSS allocation.

**[01:34:10.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001651)  
So, with that recalculation and

**[01:34:12.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001652)  
the audit that will happen

**[01:34:14.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001653)  
on the line rentals

**[01:34:16.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001654)  
paid by the distribution

**[01:34:19.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001655)  
utilities, particularly in the

**[01:34:20.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001656)  
Visayas, we anticipate

**[01:34:23.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001657)  
that there'll be some distribution

**[01:34:24.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001658)  
utilities, including Samelcoan,

**[01:34:27.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001659)  
that may,

**[01:34:28.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001660)  
may be entitled

**[01:34:29.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001661)  
to a reduction

**[01:34:31.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001662)  
or in this case, a refund

**[01:34:34.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001663)  
for whatever they have

**[01:34:36.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001664)  
paid earlier to

**[01:34:37.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001665)  
WESM.

**[01:34:39.640] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001666)  
Siguro, sir, ang unahong

**[01:34:41.960] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001667)  
ninyong basahin, silipin,

**[01:34:44.980] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001668)  
i-check po yung

**[01:34:45.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001669)  
WESM. I'll tell you why later.

**[01:34:48.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001670)  
Pero my next question is,

**[01:34:50.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001671)  
bakit po lumundag ang

**[01:34:51.560] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001672)  
LLCC, ito pong

**[01:34:53.860] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001673)  
line loss and congestion cost

**[01:34:55.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001674)  
noong July 2026,

**[01:34:58.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001675)  
from P277

**[01:35:00.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001676)  
million noong June,

**[01:35:02.560] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001677)  
in one month's time,

**[01:35:04.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001678)  
100% ang tinaas,

**[01:35:06.920] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001679)  
P277 million

**[01:35:08.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001680)  
to P570 million in July?

**[01:35:10.980] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001681)  
Ano nangyari? I mean,

**[01:35:12.740] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001682)  
ano yung line ba na yun?

**[01:35:14.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001683)  
Dinto ang dinaanan ng kuryente

**[01:35:16.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001684)  
na kailangan 100%?

**[01:35:19.600] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001685)  
P277

**[01:35:20.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001686)  
to P570

**[01:35:22.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001687)  
million July billing

**[01:35:24.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001688)  
in just 30 days,

**[01:35:25.440] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001689)  
Mr. Chairman?

**[01:35:28.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001690)  
Yung pong line rental,

**[01:35:30.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001691)  
actually, hindi ito yung

**[01:35:31.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001692)  
bayad para doon sa

**[01:35:33.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001693)  
linya. This is just

**[01:35:35.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001694)  
the terminology that

**[01:35:37.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001695)  
was initially used, but this was changed

**[01:35:39.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001696)  
to line loss and congestion charge.

**[01:35:42.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001697)  
Ang

**[01:35:43.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001698)  
impact po ng

**[01:35:44.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001699)  
LLCC depends

**[01:35:47.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001700)  
on each customer,

**[01:35:49.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001701)  
where it is located, and where

**[01:35:51.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001702)  
it is sourcing its

**[01:35:53.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001703)  
power bilaterally.

**[01:35:55.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001704)  
Ang nangyayari po kasi,

**[01:35:57.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001705)  
since yung

**[01:35:58.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001706)  
WESM rules natin, provided for

**[01:36:00.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001707)  
locational marginal pricing,

**[01:36:02.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001708)  
and this can be, you can

**[01:36:04.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001709)  
research about locational marginal

**[01:36:06.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001710)  
pricing, ito yung gold standard

**[01:36:07.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001711)  
nung mga energy

**[01:36:10.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001712)  
markets all

**[01:36:11.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001713)  
over the world,

**[01:36:14.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001714)  
yung locational marginal pricing.

**[01:36:16.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001715)  
Dahil po, like in the case

**[01:36:18.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001716)  
of Samelco, siguro po yan,

**[01:36:20.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001717)  
meron siyang kakontrata

**[01:36:22.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001718)  
from another region.

**[01:36:24.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001719)  
Yung region, halimbawa, ay

**[01:36:25.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001720)  
from Visayas,

**[01:36:28.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001721)  
meron siyang kakontrata from Mindanao.

**[01:36:30.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001722)  
Doon po sa locational marginal pricing,

**[01:36:33.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001723)  
yung po kakontrata niya in Mindanao,

**[01:36:35.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001724)  
iba yung

**[01:36:36.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001725)  
LMP niya, kaysa doon sa

**[01:36:39.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001726)  
LMP where it is connected,

**[01:36:41.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001727)  
o yung customer node.

**[01:36:43.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001728)  
Yung pong line rental,

**[01:36:46.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001729)  
nakocompute po yan,

**[01:36:48.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001730)  
ang

**[01:36:48.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001731)  
binagamit na konsiderasyon,

**[01:36:51.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001732)  
ay yung difference nung

**[01:36:52.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001733)  
LMP ng generator

**[01:36:54.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001734)  
node, at saka yung

**[01:36:56.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001735)  
LMP ng customer node.

**[01:36:58.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001736)  
At kung ganito nga po

**[01:37:00.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001737)  
ang sitwasyon ng isang distribution utility,

**[01:37:03.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001738)  
malaki yung

**[01:37:04.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001739)  
ibabaya niya, kasi mas malaki

**[01:37:07.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001740)  
na lumabas yung

**[01:37:08.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001741)  
locational marginal price niya,

**[01:37:11.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001742)  
at ito ang basis

**[01:37:12.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001743)  
ng trading amount na

**[01:37:14.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001744)  
sisingilin sa kanya ng

**[01:37:16.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001745)  
IEMOP or ng WESM operator.

**[01:37:18.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001746)  
Pero po, supposedly,

**[01:37:20.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001747)  
kung ano man niyang kinolekta sa kanya,

**[01:37:23.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001748)  
hindi naman necessarily yun

**[01:37:24.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001749)  
ang ibabaya doon sa generator

**[01:37:26.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001750)  
na kakontrata niya,

**[01:37:28.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001751)  
which will be paid based on

**[01:37:29.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001752)  
the generator LMP.

**[01:37:31.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001753)  
Kung mas mababa yung generator LMP,

**[01:37:34.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001754)  
talagang magkakaroon at magkakaroon

**[01:37:36.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001755)  
ng mas malaking

**[01:37:38.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001756)  
line rental na kukolektahin sa kanya,

**[01:37:40.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001757)  
pero magkakaroon ito ng

**[01:37:41.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001758)  
surplus. At itong net settlement

**[01:37:43.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001759)  
surplus na ito, dapat ay malaki

**[01:37:46.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001760)  
ang balik sa kanya. Kaya lang,

**[01:37:48.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001761)  
hindi po yun

**[01:37:49.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001762)  
ang nangyari

**[01:37:51.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001763)  
doon sa kaso nung

**[01:37:54.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001764)  
mga nakalipas na taon,

**[01:37:55.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001765)  
na every time na nagkakaroon

**[01:37:58.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001766)  
ng price separation, o ibig sabihin,

**[01:38:00.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001767)  
iba yung nagiging system

**[01:38:02.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001768)  
marginal price sa Mindanao,

**[01:38:04.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001769)  
iba yung system marginal price sa

**[01:38:05.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001770)  
Visayas, hindi po ganun

**[01:38:07.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001771)  
ang naging NSS

**[01:38:09.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001772)  
allocation as intended sana

**[01:38:11.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001773)  
based on our rules.

**[01:38:13.780] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001774)  
Alright, Mr. Chair. Let's move

**[01:38:15.980] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001775)  
on now. How many

**[01:38:18.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001776)  
percent itong mga

**[01:38:20.020] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001777)  
power generators natin,

**[01:38:21.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001778)  
power generation companies,

**[01:38:24.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001779)  
ilang percent po ang gumagamit

**[01:38:26.120] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001780)  
sa kanila ng coal?

**[01:38:27.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001781)  
How many?

**[01:38:28.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001782)  
How many percent using coal?

**[01:38:30.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001783)  
And how many percent using

**[01:38:31.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001784)  
bunker fuel? How many percent

**[01:38:34.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001785)  
gumagamit na renewable energy?

**[01:38:36.720] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001786)  
Do you have the breakdown,

**[01:38:38.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001787)  
Mr. Chair?

**[01:38:58.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001788)  
I don't know.

**[01:39:10.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001789)  
I'm just following. Were you asking for a specific

**[01:39:12.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001790)  
area? Is that in an area?

**[01:39:13.720] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001791)  
No, ma'am. Actually, in

**[01:39:15.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001792)  
general, Madam Chair.

**[01:39:17.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001793)  
I can answer it 62 and 25.

**[01:39:20.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-001794)  
O ba't ikalap niyo pa?

**[01:39:21.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001795)  
Okay. Yeah. Well,

**[01:39:24.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001796)  
I appreciate that, Madam Chair.

**[01:39:26.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001797)  
Kaya ako po natanong, Madam Chair,

**[01:39:28.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001798)  
is that may problema

**[01:39:30.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001799)  
tayo. Meron po akong natalisod.

**[01:39:33.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001800)  
I don't know

**[01:39:34.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001801)  
kung nakita rin ng ERC

**[01:39:36.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001802)  
o ng DOE ang problema.

**[01:39:38.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001803)  
Problema po natin pala, nasa

**[01:39:39.780] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001804)  
WESM, if I'm not mistaken.

**[01:39:42.760] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001805)  
Sa WESM po, correct me

**[01:39:44.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001806)  
if I'm wrong. Hindi po ba ang WESM ay parang

**[01:39:45.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001807)  
spot market po yan? Diyan tayo,

**[01:39:47.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001808)  
yung mga generation companies,

**[01:39:49.820] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001809)  
diyan po bumibili ng power. Tama po.

**[01:39:52.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001810)  
Okay. 60 percent

**[01:39:54.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001811)  
ang karaniwang bumibili. 60 percent

**[01:39:56.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001812)  
ng kuryente natin are

**[01:39:58.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001813)  
through coal.

**[01:40:00.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001814)  
Tama po ba?

**[01:40:02.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001815)  
62 percent. Alright.

**[01:40:04.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001816)  
Where do we get our coal,

**[01:40:06.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001817)  
Madam Secretary?

**[01:40:07.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001817-split-2)  
Madam Chair,

**[01:40:08.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001818)  
our coal is

**[01:40:10.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001819)  
more than 90 percent

**[01:40:12.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001820)  
of that comes from Indonesia.

**[01:40:14.600] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001821)  
Madam Chair. What about

**[01:40:16.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001822)  
Semirara? Hindi po ba

**[01:40:18.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001823)  
Semirara also produces coal?

**[01:40:20.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001824)  
And then Semirara even

**[01:40:22.220] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001825)  
exports coal. Bakit

**[01:40:24.620] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001826)  
nage-export ang Semirara?

**[01:40:26.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001827)  
I mean, I don't see the logic.

**[01:40:28.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001828)  
Nage-export itong Filipino

**[01:40:29.960] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001829)  
company na ito sa abroad.

**[01:40:32.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001830)  
Bakit hindi nila natin gamitin

**[01:40:34.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001831)  
yung coal ng Semirara? Can it

**[01:40:36.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001832)  
supply? My next question to you, Madam

**[01:40:38.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001833)  
Secretary, Attorney Juan.

**[01:40:40.160] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001834)  
Can Semirara's production

**[01:40:42.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001835)  
fulfill the needs

**[01:40:44.520] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001836)  
or the need of the

**[01:40:46.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001837)  
Filipino generation

**[01:40:47.940] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001838)  
companies? Can it fulfill?

**[01:40:51.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001839)  
Madam Chair,

**[01:40:52.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001840)  
Semirara, kung uubusin

**[01:40:54.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001841)  
siyang gagamitin sa Pilipinas,

**[01:40:56.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001842)  
I think it can only,

**[01:40:58.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001843)  
supply around 10 percent

**[01:40:59.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001844)  
and konti lang.

**[01:41:03.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001845)  
Hindi siya ganun

**[01:41:03.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001846)  
kasi marami tayong

**[01:41:06.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001847)  
coal plants.

**[01:41:08.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001848)  
Can it be used

**[01:41:09.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001849)  
in our coal plants?

**[01:41:14.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001850)  
It depends on the coal

**[01:41:16.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001851)  
plant, pero generally

**[01:41:18.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001852)  
ang design ng ating

**[01:41:20.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001853)  
mga, lalo ng mga lumang

**[01:41:22.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001854)  
coal plants are designed for, let's say,

**[01:41:25.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001855)  
Indonesian kind of

**[01:41:26.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001856)  
coal. Now,

**[01:41:28.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001857)  
we're trying to study that,

**[01:41:30.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001858)  
Madam Chair. That's why

**[01:41:32.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001859)  
we've been discussing

**[01:41:33.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001860)  
about having a terminal or a

**[01:41:36.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001861)  
blending, coal blending facility

**[01:41:38.220] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001862)  
here. Kasi pwede mo siya imix

**[01:41:40.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001863)  
ang Philippine coal

**[01:41:42.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001864)  
with something else para

**[01:41:43.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001865)  
parang maging Indonesian type of

**[01:41:46.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001866)  
coal na rin siya. So that's what we're

**[01:41:48.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001867)  
exploring now. Para hindi tayo

**[01:41:49.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001868)  
learning from this din, Madam Chair,

**[01:41:52.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001869)  
about what happened this past few

**[01:41:54.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001870)  
months about our lack

**[01:41:56.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001871)  
of energy security and fuel.

**[01:41:58.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001872)  
So we're trying to build that up,

**[01:42:00.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001873)  
looking for areas na rin kung saan siya

**[01:42:01.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001874)  
ilalagay and getting some investors in.

**[01:42:04.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001875)  
Pero yes, that's why

**[01:42:06.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001876)  
I'm sorry, but that's why

**[01:42:07.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001877)  
yes, I do agree na dapat yung coal

**[01:42:10.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001878)  
natin as much as possible

**[01:42:12.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001879)  
we use it domestically.

**[01:42:14.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001880)  
Thank you, Secretary.

**[01:42:17.420] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001881)  
I don't

**[01:42:18.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001882)  
know if Secretary Juan can answer

**[01:42:20.020] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001883)  
this. Sir, magkano po ang coal

**[01:42:22.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001884)  
na galing po sa Indonesia?

**[01:42:24.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001885)  
How much do they purchase it?

**[01:42:26.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001886)  
How much does it cost?

**[01:42:28.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001887)  
How much po ang landed cost dito

**[01:42:30.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001888)  
sa ating bayan?

**[01:42:33.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001889)  
Madam Chair, we'll check

**[01:42:34.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001890)  
with our... Sandy, do you have it

**[01:42:35.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-001891)  
in your... Go ahead po, Yusek Salas.

**[01:42:38.380] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001892)  
Just from the...

**[01:42:39.800] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001893)  
Normally,

**[01:42:42.580] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001894)  
okay, two types po.

**[01:42:44.720] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001895)  
So, ang gamit po

**[01:42:46.540] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001896)  
natin, yung ginagamit po ng karamihan

**[01:42:48.180] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001897)  
ng pricing po will be

**[01:42:49.980] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001898)  
normally $60

**[01:42:51.760] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001899)  
pero FOB sa

**[01:42:54.240] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001900)  
Kalimantan.

**[01:42:55.510] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001900-split-2)  
$16 po?

**[01:42:57.020] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001901)  
$60.

**[01:42:58.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001902)  
$60 ang coal po natin

**[01:43:00.420] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001903)  
per metric ton.

**[01:43:04.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001904)  
60 US

**[01:43:05.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001905)  
dots.

**[01:43:05.520] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001906)  
Kung i-divide nyo po yan

**[01:43:07.440] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001907)  
through kilowatt hour, ilan po yan?

**[01:43:10.940] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001908)  
I want you to

**[01:43:11.480] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001909)  
divide it in kilowatt hour

**[01:43:13.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001910)  
yung 60 metric ton. Kasi po,

**[01:43:16.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001911)  
kung i-divide mo yan sa pesos,

**[01:43:17.740] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001912)  
correct me if I'm wrong,

**[01:43:19.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001913)  
kung may mga mathematicians po tayo dito,

**[01:43:22.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001914)  
it will run to around

**[01:43:23.620] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001915)  
4 to 5 pesos per

**[01:43:25.420] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001916)  
kilowatt hour. Landed

**[01:43:27.520] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001917)  
cost po natin, shipping,

**[01:43:29.820] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001918)  
taxes, etc. Kung anuman po yan.

**[01:43:32.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001919)  
Sabihin na natin, maximum

**[01:43:33.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001920)  
is 8 pesos per kilowatt hour.

**[01:43:36.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001921)  
Lagi patong pa

**[01:43:37.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001922)  
ng kumpanya, yung kanyang

**[01:43:39.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001923)  
tubo dyan, aabot po siya ng

**[01:43:41.420] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001924)  
10 pesos per kilowatt hour.

**[01:43:43.760] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001925)  
Ngayon, ang tanong ko po, sir,

**[01:43:45.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001926)  
sa WESM naman tayo,

**[01:43:47.640] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001927)  
bakit pag tumaas po

**[01:43:49.440] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001928)  
ang banker fuel

**[01:43:51.440] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001929)  
nung nagkagyera sa

**[01:43:53.160] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001930)  
Middle East,

**[01:43:55.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001931)  
tumaas din ang

**[01:43:56.640] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001932)  
ang coal? Eh dapat hindi po,

**[01:43:59.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001933)  
diba? Because it came from Indonesia.

**[01:44:01.560] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001934)  
Hindi naman po kasamang Indonesia

**[01:44:03.120] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001935)  
sa gera. Ang pinag-uusapan

**[01:44:05.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001936)  
natin is Middle East. Sige,

**[01:44:07.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001937)  
banker fuel, diesel, etc.

**[01:44:09.660] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001938)  
Dandong galing, straight of

**[01:44:11.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001939)  
Hormuz. But this is coming

**[01:44:13.120] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001940)  
from Indonesia, sir. Bakit?

**[01:44:15.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001941)  
Pag binenta rito,

**[01:44:17.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001942)  
tumaas ng 32 yata. At one point,

**[01:44:19.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001943)  
tumabot pa ng 32. Pati

**[01:44:21.120] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001944)  
yung coal natin, tumabot ng 32

**[01:44:23.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001945)  
yung galing sa Indonesia. Correct me

**[01:44:25.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001946)  
if I'm wrong, sir.

**[01:44:26.640] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001947)  
Sa time, pumantay sila eh.

**[01:44:29.120] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001948)  
Eh hindi naman po mas mura ang coal

**[01:44:31.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001949)  
sa banker fuel,

**[01:44:32.780] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001950)  
Yusek.

**[01:44:34.440] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001951)  
Tama po kayo. Ang effect dun sa coal

**[01:44:36.760] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001952)  
was mainly sa shipping cost.

**[01:44:39.860] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001953)  
So, kasi

**[01:44:41.020] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001954)  
tumaas yung diesel,

**[01:44:42.920] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001955)  
so yung shipping cost, yun ang main effect.

**[01:44:45.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001956)  
Pero hindi ganun kalaki

**[01:44:46.880] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001957)  
dahil maliit na portion

**[01:44:49.080] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001958)  
yung shipping cost. So nakikita

**[01:44:51.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001959)  
natin, yung mga ini-import dati,

**[01:44:53.820] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001960)  
ang FOB nila

**[01:44:55.360] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001961)  
a little below.

**[01:44:56.640] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001962)  
60 US dollars

**[01:44:58.140] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001963)  
per metric ton.

**[01:45:00.000] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001964)  
Ito po yung karamihan na quality ng coal na ginagamit natin, which is 4,200 kilocalories per ton.

**[01:45:11.060] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001965)  
So, nung nagkaroon ng gera, yung FOB pricing almost remains the same, nasa low 60s.

**[01:45:19.600] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001966)  
Pero ang landed cost, nadagdagan lang po doon sa shipping cost.

**[01:45:24.400] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001967)  
And kung titignan nga, historically, ang component ng fuel sa isang coal thermal plant is mga 3 to 4 pesos, pero fuel component lang po yun.

**[01:45:39.200] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001968)  
Sa mga coal-fired plants, normally, baka 40% of running or generating yung kuryente galing sa fuel, kasi mataas po ang maintenance cost ng mga coal plants.

**[01:45:52.240] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001969)  
So, tama po.

**[01:45:53.920] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001970)  
So, pwedeng umabot yung binibentang kuryente ng coal plant, depende sa condition, time of the year, pwedeng umabot ng 7 pesos, 8 pesos, pero ang fuel component noon, yung coal, mga 3 to 4 pesos lang.

**[01:46:10.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001971)  
Who monitors this, sir? Yung mga pricing neto, yung mga mix neto? Is it ERC? Is it DOE? Who monitors it?

**[01:46:19.440] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-001972)  
If it's the price of electricity, that would be ERC.

**[01:46:22.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001973)  
ERC.

**[01:46:23.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001974)  
Sir, how often do you check dito sa WESM? Kasi parang palengke ito, correct me if I'm wrong, di po ba ang WESM is like palengke?

**[01:46:30.640] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001975)  
Iikot si generator, maghahanap doon sino may pinakamurang coal dito na binibenta. Di po ba? So, tama po ba yun yung explanation sa akin?

**[01:46:40.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001976)  
Madam Chair, it's for parang stock exchange.

**[01:46:43.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001977)  
Exactly, ma'am. So, my point is, bakit hindi maghanap si generator ng mas mura? Ito mas mura dito, di ba?

**[01:46:53.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001978)  
Sa stock market naman, baligtad. Yung I mean, mura, di ba? Tapos alam mo na it will go up.

**[01:46:58.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001979)  
The question is, hindi po ba natin na mamonitor yan na mas mura? Kasi doon na lang po kagad question mark eh.

**[01:47:04.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001980)  
Bakit itong coal is very, very cheap, itong banker mahal, pero pumapantay po siya?

**[01:47:10.980] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001981)  
E doon po tayo kaya sinasabi natin, and I found out yesterday, and I'm still doing my research right now, na kaya pala tayo,

**[01:47:20.720] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001982)  
eh, we have the most expensive electricity rate in Southeast Asia because pumapayag tayo na yung coal,

**[01:47:30.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001983)  
kung titignan mo 3 pesos per kilowatt hour, 6 pesos, hindi na nating 10 pesos per kilowatt hour, pero pumapayag tayo ng sobra.

**[01:47:39.160] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001984)  
I'll give you an example also, sir. Bakit sa Visayas, Mindanao, 1859 per kilowatt hour.

**[01:47:48.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001985)  
This is, we assume this is coal.

**[01:47:50.720] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001986)  
Powered plant. Tama po ba? Itong 18.59 sa Visayas, 19.56 sa Mindanao?

**[01:48:00.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001987)  
Ito po yung average na market clearing prices during this billing month of August.

**[01:48:10.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001988)  
Bakit po sa Pampanga, sila doon, nasa 9 pesos lang po per kilowatt hour. Why is that?

**[01:48:17.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001989)  
Bakit po sa Visayas, Mindanao, napakamahal?

**[01:48:20.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001990)  
Sa Pampanga?

**[01:48:20.720] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001991)  
Pampanga, nasa 9 pesos. Dito sa Metro Manila, hindi ko na alam. Magkano po ba ang singil sa atin sa Metro Manila, sir, per kilowatt hour?

**[01:48:29.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001992)  
Depende na po yan doon sa utility at kung saan kumukuha yung utility.

**[01:48:34.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001993)  
Yes, totoo po na nakita natin in August, yung lumabas nga na presyo market clearing sa Luzon is at around 4 pesos.

**[01:48:45.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001994)  
And yet, doon sa Visayas and Mindanao, mabot ng 18.19.

**[01:48:50.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001995)  
Yun pong ating WESM, ito po, bukod doon sa prinsipyo ng locational marginal pricing, meron po tayo yung tinatawag na gross pool.

**[01:49:00.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001996)  
Ibig sabihin po, lahat ng generators obligado sila to offer yung kanilang available capacity sa WESM at kung ang offer nila ay papasok doon sa mga offers na makakasama sa dispatch schedule,

**[01:49:17.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001997)  
depende kasi naman niya doon sa demand at that moment.

**[01:49:20.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001998)  
Sila ay makakasama sa dispatch o doon sa mga ipapatakbo ng SO na mga planta.

**[01:49:27.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-001999)  
Pero po ang bayaran sa kanila ay hindi base doon sa presyo necessarily na lalabas sa merkado dahil yung mga ibang generators dito ay contracted bilaterally.

**[01:49:37.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002000)  
Kaya't yung kanilang naibentang or naisupply na kuryente during that interval, kung pwedeng ang presyo niyan ay yung kanilang bilateral contract with an off-taker and it will be settled.

**[01:49:50.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002001)  
At pagdating naman po sa offers natin, wala po tayo yung nire-require na yung kanilang offer ay dapat base doon sa kanilang cost.

**[01:49:59.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002002)  
Ito po ay kanilang desisyon na kung ano ang kanilang i-offer but normally in a competitive market, kung ikaw ay mag-offer at ang gusto mo ay makabawi ng at least yung marginal cost.

**[01:50:13.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002003)  
So mag-offer ka ng at least yung fuel and operating cost.

**[01:50:20.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002004)  
Ay mabawi mo itong gagastusin mo kapag ka ikaw ay natawag at nag-generate ng kuryente, yung iyong capital cost maaaring hindi mo mabawi.

**[01:50:30.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002005)  
Pero during times naman na yung mag-clear na presyo ay mas mataas kaysa doon sa marginal cost mo at mas mataas kaysa dito na meron pang kasama na po pwedeng makarecover ka ng capital fee mo or cost mo, doon yung mga panahon na ikaw ay nakakarecover.

**[01:50:46.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002006)  
Kaya't meron po tayong mga ilang coal plants na maaaring ang kanilang...

**[01:50:50.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002007)  
Ang presyo during the time na sila ay nakasama doon sa dispatch schedule ay mas mataas kaysa doon sa kanilang all-in na presyo nasa 6 o 7 dahil ang nag-clear na presyo ay mas mataas dito, mabot ng 32 which is our primary cap in WESM.

**[01:51:08.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002008)  
Pero hindi necessarily na yun ang ibabayad sa kanila dahil po maaaring sila naman as sa baseload plants, kakailanganin naman po nila ng kontrata.

**[01:51:18.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002009)  
Nang sa ganon, masisiguro nila na lagi silang kinakailangan tumakbo dahil hindi naman po sila po pwede na magpatay sinde ng kanilang planta at ito naman po ang makakapekto sa operasyon nila.

**[01:51:29.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002010)  
Kaya't sisiguruhin nila na sila ay lagi makakasama doon sa dispatch dahil sila ay meron mga kontrata rin na kailangan servisyohan po.

**[01:51:37.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002011)  
Tama po kayo pero will you agree with me na this is all market driven?

**[01:51:43.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002012)  
Kung ano kasi the demand is great?

**[01:51:47.420] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002013)  
Talagang tumakbo.

**[01:51:48.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002014)  
Maski hindi naman po kinakailangan, wala pong iniwan. Parang po karne ng manok, karne ng baboy. May African swine fever isang lugar pero kailangan mo magdala doon dahil walang supply ng baboy so tataas ang baboy when in fact it's not supposed to.

**[01:52:03.920] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002015)  
Or isang lugar na galunggong is so mura dahil walang supply ng galunggong pero may dumating na galunggong so tataas yung presyo because the demand is great.

**[01:52:13.940] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002016)  
Yung po yung sinasabi ko Chairperson Juan and Madam Secretary, we have to check itong WESM. So po pwede ho eh kung titignan ho natin, pag-aralan lang ho siguro ninyo, take time na pag-aralan ho itong po ang problema natin sa generation, hindi po sa distribution.

**[01:52:31.980] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002017)  
It's not Meralco, it's not Samelco, it's not the cooperative but the generator yung nagpo-produce ng kuryente para for distribution. Doon po ang problema because sobrang sipa ng presyo kagaya po niyan, full siya but then again parang banker fuel ang presyo niya.

**[01:52:51.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002018)  
Sa sabihin po, barko. Kailangan pumantay dahil doon sa fuel ng barko kaya sobrang taas. Masyado pong exorbitant.

**[01:53:00.700] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002019)  
I think once in a while you have to look into this siguro Atty. Juan kasi parang ang kawaba po dito yung mga tao. Kailangan lang po nalaga natin, imonitor siguro Atty. Juan para ikang pag-alam ng WESM na minomonitor sila, chinecheck sila, then siyempre magdadahan-dahan kasi po kailangan po natin ang goal po natin lahat tayo dito, si Chairperson Pia, si Senate President, we're all looking for ways.

**[01:53:30.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002020)  
How to bring our electricity rate down. Lahat naman po tayo kasi tayo po pinakamahal sa Southeast Asia. I mean meron naman pa lang, meron pong pamamaraan. I know there's a way. If we just look, we just do natin simulan sa power generation.

**[01:53:48.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002021)  
Huwag po natin sisihin ang Meralco, huwag po natin sisihin itong mga electric cooperatives dahil bumibili lang po sila ng power. Yung po nagma-manufacture. Doon po yun eh.

**[01:53:57.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002022)  
Kasi 4 pesos, 5 pesos versus bunker fuel. I understand what Secretary Garin is saying. Noong nagkagira, tataas talaga pero coal galing ng Jakarta, coal galing ng Semirara dyan sa Antique. Why don't we use all this para po bumaba yung presyo natin? Siguro we can do something about it. That's all for me for now, Chairperson Pia. Thank you for your forgiveness.

**[01:54:26.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002023)  
I understand because the WESM is really unusually high now. We anticipated that also. Ang problema kasi talaga, it's unregulated ang generation. So maybe once we revisit the EPIRA, we have to do something about it.

**[01:54:45.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002024)  
But for now, Madam Chair, when the war happened, we did an intervention because of the emergency powers. We had a mandate. Nag-suspend kami ng market.

**[01:54:56.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002025)  
Para yung mauna yung mga mas mura mabenta. So we've been studying this. Actually, we just had a meeting yesterday na rin kung ano pang pwedeng intervention. But good enough, ERC already issued a price cap. So from 18 magiging 11 na lang yata siya. Magiging 8 pesos.

**[01:55:19.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002026)  
But still, the abuse of the market should not. Because these are public service.

**[01:55:26.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002027)  
So in fact, hindi lang coal, Madam Chairman, kundi pati hydro, naging mahal na rin because they know there's lack of supply. So they can sell whatever they sell. So medyo may abuse rin. And we're checking what are the recourse na pwede natin gawin to put discipline in the market also.

**[01:55:45.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002028)  
May pahabol ako, Madam Chairperson. Thank you po, Attorney Juan, for doing that. It's ika nga kahit papaano, you're looking for ways right now para matulungan po ang kababayan natin.

**[01:55:56.780] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002029)  
Kasi yung mga arawan po ng mga kababayan natin, minimum wage below minimum wage. Parang hirap po magbayad ng kuryente. And kuryente should not be. It is already a necessity, hindi po luxury. Siguro noong dekada 80, noong college tayo, Secretary Garin, luxury ang kuryente. Pero ngayon po, it's a necessity. Kahit na po yung nakatira sa barong-barong, kailangan niya ng kuryente. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you po.

**[01:56:23.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-002030)  
Thank you.

**[01:56:26.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-002031)  
Chairman, Senator Erwin Tulfo. And now we'll give the floor to our Senate President. Are you ready for your questions? Okay.

**[01:56:34.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002032)  
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Sundan ko lang po yung sinabi ni mga tanong ni Chairman Erwin Tulfo. Tama po siya, no? Dahil pag titignan po natin in WESM rates from July 26 to August, no?

**[01:56:56.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002033)  
Ang Luzon is only 4.80 pesos. Ang Visayas is 18 pesos. 18.59 pesos. And Mindanao is 19.56. So kung saan pa mataas ang poverty rates natin, sila pa yung nagbabayad ng pinakamataas na presyo ng kuryente. Paano nagkaganon?

**[01:57:20.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002034)  
Obviously, shortage ng power. Kaya tumataas. Pero inimbestigahan ba natin kung sinasadyang nagkakaroon ng shortage? Dahil ang layo naman ng discrepancy from 4 pesos to 19 pesos.

**[01:57:36.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002035)  
And ito yung actually tanong ko.

**[01:57:50.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002036)  
In fact, in the last six months, 96 yellow alerts and 33 red alerts sa Visayas. This is Visayas lang alone.

**[01:58:16.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002037)  
And paano nagkaganon?

**[01:58:20.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002038)  
Yes, go ahead, Sekretary.

**[01:58:24.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002039)  
Sir Senate President, first off, there are currently one, two, three, six plants that are down that are related to this.

**[01:58:36.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002040)  
Ang Indalao, medyo naayos na siya. Pero as of today, TVI unit is still down at 169.

**[01:58:50.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002041)  
Sa Ilo, 150 megawatt.

**[01:58:52.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002042)  
SEDC sa Cebu is 82.

**[01:58:55.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002043)  
Tapos sa Mindanao, meron tayong tatlong units, TSI 150, GNPK 103, and TSI 150.

**[01:59:02.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002044)  
Why are these relevant?

**[01:59:04.940] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002045)  
Kasi nag-i-import ang, first off, kulang si Visayas. In general, kulang siya.

**[01:59:11.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002046)  
Walang enough base load sa Visayas.

**[01:59:14.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002047)  
So what does it do? It imports 450 megawatts from Mindanao and then 250 from...

**[01:59:20.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002048)  
So now, nag-down itong mga Mindanao na planta.

**[01:59:26.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002049)  
So wala na siya mapapadala. So kumulang siya.

**[01:59:29.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002050)  
So ginawa ng system operator natin, nag-red and yellow alert siya.

**[01:59:37.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002051)  
And it continues until these plants are back on.

**[01:59:41.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002052)  
So it's really the lack of supply.

**[01:59:44.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002053)  
Two things, no?

**[01:59:46.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002054)  
Obviously, yung presyo sumisipa sa market because court.

**[01:59:50.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002055)  
Kulang ng supply. It's a supply issue.

**[01:59:53.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002056)  
Pero meron rin tayong, sa ERC, meron na rin na promulgate before.

**[01:59:58.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002057)  
Yung mga...

**[02:00:00.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002058)  
reliability index ng planta.

**[02:00:01.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002059)  
Kasi time and memorial na itong

**[02:00:03.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002060)  
problema natin sa

**[02:00:05.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002061)  
reliability ng planta.

**[02:00:07.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002062)  
We can just say,

**[02:00:09.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002063)  
ito nangyari na ito in the past rin.

**[02:00:11.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002064)  
We cannot just say na pumalian planta,

**[02:00:14.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002065)  
nag-force outage.

**[02:00:15.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002066)  
They have to maintain their plants.

**[02:00:18.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002067)  
And ERC,

**[02:00:20.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002068)  
meron na rin mga resolutions

**[02:00:21.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002069)  
in the past.

**[02:00:23.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002070)  
Even though deregulated ang

**[02:00:25.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002071)  
generation, alam naman natin deregulated

**[02:00:28.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002072)  
yan. But we cannot rely

**[02:00:29.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002073)  
so much on them

**[02:00:31.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002074)  
maintaining

**[02:00:33.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002075)  
the plants

**[02:00:34.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002076)  
regularly.

**[02:00:39.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002077)  
Because

**[02:00:40.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002078)  
kung ganitong nagkakaroon ng

**[02:00:41.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002079)  
outage, force outage,

**[02:00:44.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002080)  
tayo naman lahat ang

**[02:00:45.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002081)  
tinatamaan dito.

**[02:00:48.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002082)  
Naimbestigahan ba kung meron, number one,

**[02:00:50.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002083)  
may anti-competitive

**[02:00:51.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002084)  
behavior, meron bang collusion,

**[02:00:54.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002085)  
meron bang gaming the system.

**[02:00:56.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002086)  
And then number two,

**[02:00:58.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002087)  
napag-aralan ba kung nami-maintain

**[02:00:59.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002088)  
yung planta nila? Is it within the

**[02:01:01.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002089)  
reliability index?

**[02:01:03.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002090)  
We have to compel these plants to maintain

**[02:01:05.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002091)  
their plants. Dahil

**[02:01:06.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002092)  
wala ka nang...

**[02:01:08.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002093)  
Yan, tanong ng ating mga kababayan, Senator Erwin.

**[02:01:11.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002094)  
Wala nang ang kuryente. 19 pesos pa yung binabayaran.

**[02:01:16.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002095)  
Sir Chair,

**[02:01:17.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002096)  
the plants,

**[02:01:21.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002097)  
ang mga planta na ito, inisa-isa

**[02:01:23.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002098)  
na talaga, the Joint Task Force of

**[02:01:25.680] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002099)  
DOE and ERC,

**[02:01:27.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002100)  
they're going around

**[02:01:29.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002101)  
nasa mga planta,

**[02:01:31.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002102)  
inisa-isa nila, visiting it

**[02:01:33.720] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002103)  
and confirming kung ano ba talaga

**[02:01:35.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002104)  
nangyayari.

**[02:01:36.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002105)  
And

**[02:01:36.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002106)  
there are

**[02:01:40.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002107)  
some issues,

**[02:01:42.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002108)  
for example, na

**[02:01:43.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002109)  
most of the maintenance

**[02:01:46.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002110)  
or even the repairs,

**[02:01:51.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002111)  
kailangan pa

**[02:01:51.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002112)  
magpapasok sila ng

**[02:01:53.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002113)  
foreign equipments or foreign

**[02:01:55.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002114)  
personnel para mag-ayos

**[02:01:58.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002115)  
ng mga

**[02:01:59.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002116)  
turbina nila or ng planta nila.

**[02:02:01.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002117)  
And that really delays us. For example,

**[02:02:03.680] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002118)  
one company had to send in

**[02:02:05.720] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002119)  
their

**[02:02:06.240] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002120)  
team from India

**[02:02:09.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002121)  
para lang ayusin ito.

**[02:02:11.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002122)  
So, that's what we have been

**[02:02:13.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002123)  
checking kung there's something really

**[02:02:15.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002124)  
intrinsically wrong in the how

**[02:02:17.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002125)  
we do this. So,

**[02:02:19.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002126)  
capacity building and all that. Pero,

**[02:02:21.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002127)  
given that,

**[02:02:23.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002128)  
I would

**[02:02:25.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002129)  
based on the

**[02:02:27.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002130)  
results of the visits,

**[02:02:29.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002131)  
wala naman siyang collusion. It's just

**[02:02:31.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002132)  
that

**[02:02:32.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002133)  
na-overwork din natin yung mga planta,

**[02:02:35.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002134)  
especially during the times

**[02:02:37.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002135)  
ng crisis and also with the

**[02:02:39.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002136)  
summer, na dapat magpahinga

**[02:02:41.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002137)  
na siya, pinapatuloy-tuloy

**[02:02:44.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002138)  
pa rin natin. So,

**[02:02:45.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002139)  
there are reforms in the policies that

**[02:02:47.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002140)  
we have done and we are doing

**[02:02:48.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002141)  
right now. Ang isa sa mga

**[02:02:51.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002142)  
major reforms namin is

**[02:02:52.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002143)  
genco-accountability because there

**[02:02:54.940] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002144)  
has never been any

**[02:02:56.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002145)  
penalty on the side

**[02:02:58.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002152)  
of DOE kung

**[02:03:00.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002153)  
palagi kang nawawala

**[02:03:02.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002154)  
or hindi ka-compliance sa mga requirements mo.

**[02:03:04.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002155)  
So, we're doing that.

**[02:03:06.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002156)  
And then, I think ERC is also

**[02:03:08.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002157)  
doing some

**[02:03:09.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002158)  
their own

**[02:03:12.680] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002159)  
policies para mag-stricter

**[02:03:14.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002160)  
yung performance nila.

**[02:03:16.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002161)  
Kasi,

**[02:03:17.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002162)  
you're correct,

**[02:03:20.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002163)  
Sir Cher, na talagang

**[02:03:21.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002164)  
people are suffering because of their

**[02:03:24.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002165)  
inefficiency.

**[02:03:27.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002166)  
Yes.

**[02:03:28.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002167)  
Yes.

**[02:03:31.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002168)  
We have the reliability

**[02:03:33.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002169)  
indices and based on

**[02:03:35.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002170)  
our resolution

**[02:03:38.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002171)  
and monitoring of the

**[02:03:39.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002172)  
outages, a lot of the

**[02:03:42.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002173)  
plants on

**[02:03:43.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002174)  
outage have already exceeded

**[02:03:45.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002175)  
the

**[02:03:47.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002176)  
allowance for them.

**[02:03:50.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002177)  
And we've issued

**[02:03:51.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002178)  
notices

**[02:03:52.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002179)  
of

**[02:03:55.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002180)  
non-compliance to these

**[02:03:57.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002181)  
generating facilities.

**[02:04:00.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002182)  
And after these notices

**[02:04:02.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002183)  
based on our rules, we will shortly be

**[02:04:04.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002184)  
issuing at the end of the year

**[02:04:06.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002185)  
the show cost because our

**[02:04:08.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002186)  
reckoning of the outage

**[02:04:09.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002187)  
allowance compliance

**[02:04:12.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002188)  
is on an annual basis.

**[02:04:15.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002189)  
So, on the

**[02:04:16.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002190)  
market behavior

**[02:04:18.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002191)  
of the participants,

**[02:04:21.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002192)  
together with

**[02:04:22.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002193)  
our solution on

**[02:04:24.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002194)  
mitigating the

**[02:04:26.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002195)  
extraordinarily high

**[02:04:28.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002196)  
WESM prices in the Visayas and Mindanao,

**[02:04:31.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002197)  
we have directed the governance

**[02:04:33.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002198)  
body for WESM

**[02:04:35.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002199)  
which is PEMC.

**[02:04:37.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002200)  
Attached to the PEMC

**[02:04:38.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002201)  
to the BEM Board is the Market

**[02:04:41.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002202)  
Surveillance Committee. We've

**[02:04:43.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002203)  
asked help from the Market Surveillance

**[02:04:45.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002204)  
Committee for us to be able to

**[02:04:47.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002205)  
validate yung behavior,

**[02:04:49.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002206)  
yung conduct of the market

**[02:04:51.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002207)  
participants to

**[02:04:52.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002208)  
verify really if

**[02:04:55.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002209)  
there was no

**[02:04:56.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002210)  
market power abuse that was

**[02:04:58.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002211)  
committed during this period.

**[02:05:00.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002212)  
Two things, Chairman.

**[02:05:03.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002213)  
One,

**[02:05:05.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002214)  
yung mga, ano ba

**[02:05:06.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002215)  
ang

**[02:05:07.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002216)  
fine or penalty

**[02:05:10.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002217)  
kung nag-exceed sa

**[02:05:12.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002218)  
allowable allowance?

**[02:05:15.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002219)  
That's number one. And then number

**[02:05:16.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002220)  
two, after

**[02:05:18.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002221)  
alerting the IEMOP,

**[02:05:22.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002222)  
kailan natin

**[02:05:22.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002223)  
malalaman kung merong

**[02:05:24.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002224)  
collusion o walang collusion? Kasi

**[02:05:26.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002225)  
manipis na ngayon ang

**[02:05:28.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002226)  
supply. So napakadaling

**[02:05:31.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002227)  
i-manipulate yung market

**[02:05:33.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002228)  
kasi manipis yung supply sa

**[02:05:34.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002229)  
Vismin. So

**[02:05:36.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002230)  
wala naman akong sinasabi

**[02:05:38.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002231)  
na merong

**[02:05:40.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002232)  
nagkukulud or may anti-competitive

**[02:05:43.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002233)  
behavior. But in the same manner,

**[02:05:45.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002234)  
we want to get the comfort

**[02:05:46.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002235)  
na walang nag-game

**[02:05:48.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002236)  
ng system, walang

**[02:05:49.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002237)  
inaabuso yung

**[02:05:52.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002238)  
yung merkado. So we want to

**[02:05:54.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002239)  
rule that out. May

**[02:05:56.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002240)  
process of elimination, we want to rule that

**[02:05:58.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002241)  
out.

**[02:06:00.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002242)  
Yes, Mr. Chair. Karaniwan

**[02:06:02.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002243)  
in the

**[02:06:04.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002244)  
analysis,

**[02:06:07.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002245)  
ang tinitingnan po

**[02:06:08.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002246)  
ay yung mga pivotal

**[02:06:09.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002247)  
suppliers o yung mga marginal plants

**[02:06:12.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002248)  
that are able to set the prices

**[02:06:14.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002249)  
during times when there's

**[02:06:16.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002250)  
shortage. And what

**[02:06:18.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002251)  
is being analyzed is

**[02:06:20.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002252)  
kung merong mga

**[02:06:21.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002253)  
consortium or mga

**[02:06:23.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002254)  
generation,

**[02:06:26.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002255)  
companies that are

**[02:06:27.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002256)  
owned in common by

**[02:06:30.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002257)  
some entities

**[02:06:32.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002258)  
and see if the

**[02:06:34.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002259)  
prices that are set by the

**[02:06:36.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002260)  
pivotal supplier benefit

**[02:06:38.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002261)  
the other members

**[02:06:40.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002262)  
of the group. Yun po

**[02:06:42.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002263)  
yung

**[02:06:42.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002264)  
tinitingnan din doon sa aming

**[02:06:46.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002265)  
analysis. So we can

**[02:06:48.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002266)  
rule out nga if

**[02:06:49.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002267)  
some of, if there is

**[02:06:51.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002268)  
anyone doing

**[02:06:54.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002269)  
some market

**[02:06:56.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002270)  
manipulation, setting

**[02:06:58.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002271)  
the prices high so that

**[02:06:59.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002272)  
other generators,

**[02:07:02.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002273)  
not necessarily the pivotal supplier,

**[02:07:04.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002274)  
would be able to

**[02:07:05.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002275)  
benefit from the higher

**[02:07:08.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002276)  
prices.

**[02:07:10.020] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002277)  
Mr. President, if I may

**[02:07:12.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002278)  
be allowed, I have

**[02:07:14.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002279)  
another, I have a budget briefing for

**[02:07:16.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002280)  
another agency in my office. I would like

**[02:07:18.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002281)  
to be excused, but I just want to

**[02:07:20.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002282)  
inform the Secretary,

**[02:07:21.680] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002283)  
Attorney Juan,

**[02:07:23.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002284)  
Chairman Almeda, that I support,

**[02:07:26.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002285)  
po, the budget request of

**[02:07:28.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002286)  
the Department of Energy and all

**[02:07:30.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002287)  
its attached agencies.

**[02:07:31.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002288)  
I will support it. Kung meron pong

**[02:07:33.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002289)  
kailangang idagdag sa plenary, I'll

**[02:07:36.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002290)  
work on it. Tutulong

**[02:07:38.160] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002291)  
po tayo based

**[02:07:40.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002292)  
on sinabi po ng chairperson natin

**[02:07:42.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002293)  
na I'm

**[02:07:44.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002294)  
full support po ako, just like our

**[02:07:46.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002295)  
majority floor leader. Thank you po.

**[02:07:48.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002296)  
Mr. Chair,

**[02:07:50.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002297)  
I just tanalang we would

**[02:07:52.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002298)  
like to invite the two

**[02:07:53.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002299)  
honorable senators

**[02:07:55.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002300)  
to our Palawan meeting

**[02:07:57.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002301)  
which will involve all the

**[02:07:59.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002302)  
LGUs, including the congressmen

**[02:08:02.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002303)  
and all the agencies

**[02:08:03.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002304)  
because together with

**[02:08:05.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002305)  
NEA, NAPO, CORE, TRANSCO, we

**[02:08:07.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002306)  
have already formulated a

**[02:08:09.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002307)  
master plan for Palawan to

**[02:08:11.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002308)  
be completed first quarter

**[02:08:13.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002309)  
of 2028 or last quarter

**[02:08:15.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002310)  
of 2027. Fix

**[02:08:17.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002311)  
all the generation distribution and

**[02:08:19.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002312)  
transmission and your support

**[02:08:22.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002313)  
would be really appreciated. It will

**[02:08:23.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002314)  
be on September 25.

**[02:08:25.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002315)  
Definitely, Secretary, we will be

**[02:08:27.760] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002316)  
there. We will support

**[02:08:29.560] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002317)  
just as I

**[02:08:31.780] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002318)  
have stated earlier

**[02:08:33.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002319)  
for us,

**[02:08:35.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002320)  
Chairman Administrator Almeda.

**[02:08:38.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002321)  
Like I said, I told the Secretary

**[02:08:39.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002322)  
and Chairman Juan,

**[02:08:41.940] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002323)  
this

**[02:08:42.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002324)  
representation is

**[02:08:45.740] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002325)  
in full support for the budget

**[02:08:47.600] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002326)  
request of the DOE

**[02:08:49.920] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002327)  
and all its attached agencies.

**[02:08:51.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002328)  
Marami salamat po. I have to go because

**[02:08:53.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002329)  
I have to be brief.

**[02:08:55.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002330)  
Another agency. Thank you po and good afternoon.

**[02:08:58.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002331)  
Thank you,

**[02:08:59.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002332)  
Chairman Erwin.

**[02:09:02.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002333)  
So going back,

**[02:09:03.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002334)  
ang naging dahilan

**[02:09:06.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002335)  
is shortage. Maraming pumaliak

**[02:09:08.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002336)  
kaya sumi pa yung presyo.

**[02:09:10.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002337)  
Just submit to the

**[02:09:11.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002338)  
committee,

**[02:09:13.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002339)  
Chairman Juan, yung results

**[02:09:15.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002340)  
ng kanyong inyong investigation

**[02:09:18.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002341)  
to rule out anti-competitive

**[02:09:20.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002342)  
behaviors kung mayroong collusion.

**[02:09:23.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002343)  
Yung mga ganito ka lang,

**[02:09:24.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002344)  
tignan lahat eh.

**[02:09:25.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002345)  
Not just say na pumaliang

**[02:09:27.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002346)  
yung planta tapos

**[02:09:28.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002347)  
we leave the prices to go up.

**[02:09:31.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002348)  
Hindi pwedeng ganun eh. Kailangan i-rule out

**[02:09:33.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002349)  
one by one. And then second,

**[02:09:36.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002350)  
just also

**[02:09:37.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002351)  
yung penalty

**[02:09:40.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002352)  
and

**[02:09:41.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002353)  
fines. How much is the

**[02:09:43.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002354)  
penalty and fines to those

**[02:09:45.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002355)  
who exceed the limit?

**[02:09:48.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002356)  
Our base

**[02:09:49.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002357)  
penalties would range

**[02:09:51.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002358)  
from P50,000 to P200,000.

**[02:09:55.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002359)  
Depending on the size of

**[02:09:57.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002360)  
the generation

**[02:09:59.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002361)  
facility. And aside from

**[02:10:01.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002362)  
the base, on top of that,

**[02:10:04.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002363)  
for every day

**[02:10:05.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002364)  
of non-compliance, because

**[02:10:07.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002365)  
there's the outage allowance, and every

**[02:10:09.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002366)  
day that they exceed that, there will

**[02:10:11.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002367)  
be a penalty of

**[02:10:13.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002368)  
10% of the base

**[02:10:15.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002369)  
price. So

**[02:10:17.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002370)  
we are able

**[02:10:19.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002371)  
to impose now a

**[02:10:21.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002372)  
higher penalty based on

**[02:10:23.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002373)  
our amended resolution.

**[02:10:25.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002374)  
By

**[02:10:26.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002375)  
considering in the

**[02:10:29.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002376)  
calculation of the penalty, the

**[02:10:31.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002377)  
duration of

**[02:10:32.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002378)  
the non-compliance. So

**[02:10:35.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002379)  
we believe that

**[02:10:37.100] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002380)  
this addresses the earlier

**[02:10:39.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002381)  
issue of our

**[02:10:40.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002382)  
penalties not being

**[02:10:42.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002383)  
commensurate

**[02:10:43.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002384)  
enough for the violations.

**[02:10:47.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002385)  
So na-increase

**[02:10:49.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002386)  
na in other words?

**[02:10:51.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002387)  
Opo. And that will incentivize

**[02:10:53.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002388)  
them to as much as possible.

**[02:10:55.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002389)  
Limit their outages

**[02:10:57.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002390)  
to the allowance because every

**[02:10:59.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002391)  
day of

**[02:11:00.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002392)  
addition to that

**[02:11:03.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002393)  
allowance is

**[02:11:05.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002394)  
10% of the base

**[02:11:07.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002395)  
penalty. Since the

**[02:11:09.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002396)  
promulgation itong reliability

**[02:11:11.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002397)  
index, meron ba napatawan

**[02:11:13.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002398)  
na ng fines?

**[02:11:16.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002399)  
Meron na.

**[02:11:17.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002400)  
I assume yung revenues

**[02:11:19.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002401)  
nyo, malaking part of that will be

**[02:11:21.460] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002402)  
fines and penalties.

**[02:11:23.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002403)  
This will be the first

**[02:11:25.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002404)  
year when we will

**[02:11:27.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002405)  
implement these new penalties.

**[02:11:30.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002406)  
And as I mentioned earlier,

**[02:11:31.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002407)  
our process is

**[02:11:33.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002408)  
we first call the attention of

**[02:11:35.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002409)  
the generation facility by issuing

**[02:11:37.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002410)  
the notice of non-compliance within

**[02:11:39.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002411)  
the year. And so they

**[02:11:41.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002412)  
will be aware that they've already

**[02:11:43.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002413)  
exceeded the outage

**[02:11:45.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002414)  
allowance. And then at

**[02:11:47.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002415)  
the end of the year, we

**[02:11:48.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002416)  
start issuing the show cause so we

**[02:11:51.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002417)  
can proceed with the

**[02:11:52.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002418)  
imposition of the penalties.

**[02:11:55.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002419)  
And this time, we will be using

**[02:11:57.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002420)  
the new penalties. But in the past, meron na

**[02:11:58.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002421)  
na-fine? Meron na napatawan

**[02:12:01.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002422)  
ng fine? Yes.

**[02:12:03.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002423)  
Have you ever imposed fines and penalties?

**[02:12:05.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002424)  
Meron na. We were able to impose.

**[02:12:07.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002425)  
Pero obviously, hindi

**[02:12:08.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002426)  
nag-effect. Kasi mababa

**[02:12:11.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002427)  
siguro. Yes, Mr. Chair.

**[02:12:12.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002428)  
So ngayon, tinaasan nyo na and this year

**[02:12:15.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002429)  
will be the first time you will

**[02:12:17.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002430)  
impose using the higher

**[02:12:19.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002431)  
fines.

**[02:12:21.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002432)  
Per day, that will be

**[02:12:22.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002433)  
10% of the base penalty.

**[02:12:25.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002434)  
Okay. So just submit to us a report

**[02:12:27.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002435)  
particularly

**[02:12:29.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002436)  
on this Vismin. And I would

**[02:12:31.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002437)  
assume itong Vismin, may mga

**[02:12:32.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002438)  
mapapatawan ng fine to.

**[02:12:36.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002439)  
So far, yes. Based

**[02:12:37.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002440)  
on our notice of non-compliance,

**[02:12:39.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-002441)  
we have several generation

**[02:12:41.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002442)  
facilities. Merong candidates to be

**[02:12:43.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002443)  
fined. Yes, Mr. Chair. Okay. So

**[02:12:45.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002444)  
just submit to us a

**[02:12:46.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002445)  
report on that. But the bottom line

**[02:12:49.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002446)  
here is we cannot allow

**[02:12:51.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002447)  
18 pesos, 19 pesos,

**[02:12:53.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002448)  
20 pesos.

**[02:12:55.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002449)  
Mamamatay ang consumers

**[02:12:56.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002450)  
natin sa ganyan. Papamatay

**[02:12:58.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002451)  
negosyo, actually. I don't

**[02:13:00.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002452)  
think businesses can

**[02:13:02.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002453)  
survive with that kind

**[02:13:04.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002454)  
of prices.

**[02:13:06.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002455)  
Pagkausap mo nga yung mga negosyante,

**[02:13:08.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002456)  
ang parating reaction nila,

**[02:13:10.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002457)  
nagtatrabaho sila para doon sa

**[02:13:12.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002458)  
utility na lang. Wala

**[02:13:14.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002459)  
nang natitirang kita sa kanila kasi

**[02:13:16.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002460)  
almost 40, 50, 60% of

**[02:13:18.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002461)  
their

**[02:13:19.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002462)  
cost goes

**[02:13:22.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002463)  
to paying electricity.

**[02:13:24.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002464)  
So,

**[02:13:25.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002465)  
we cannot allow that.

**[02:13:26.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002466)  
Basa ko rin na nag-impose na kayo

**[02:13:29.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002467)  
ng CAP, albeit

**[02:13:31.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002468)  
medyo late na. But

**[02:13:33.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002469)  
nevertheless,

**[02:13:34.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002470)  
importante rin na magkaroon ng

**[02:13:36.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002471)  
disiplina among the generators.

**[02:13:39.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002472)  
Matagal ng problema ito, Chairman.

**[02:13:41.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002473)  
We need to make sure that there's

**[02:13:43.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002474)  
also discipline. Alam ko, deregulated

**[02:13:45.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002475)  
sila. But

**[02:13:46.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002476)  
we cannot avoid it.

**[02:13:49.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002477)  
Kung recurring na lang itong mga

**[02:13:50.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002478)  
ganitong problema, we cannot avoid

**[02:13:52.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002479)  
imposing rules.

**[02:13:55.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002480)  
And then...

**[02:13:56.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002481)  
Mr. Chair, we're actually

**[02:13:58.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002482)  
checking the data so that we can

**[02:14:00.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002483)  
pass it to PCC

**[02:14:02.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002484)  
or market abuse if ever

**[02:14:05.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002485)  
there is.

**[02:14:06.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002486)  
Thank you for that, Secretary Chairman. I'll go to some

**[02:14:08.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002487)  
items in the budget.

**[02:14:10.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002488)  
I saw,

**[02:14:12.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002489)  
Secretary Garin, na

**[02:14:14.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002490)  
lumaki yung inyong special

**[02:14:16.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002491)  
account.

**[02:14:18.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002492)  
In 2025, it's only 800

**[02:14:20.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002493)  
million. And then in

**[02:14:22.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002494)  
2027, it's now

**[02:14:24.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002495)  
3.7 billion.

**[02:14:26.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002496)  
What is the reason for the

**[02:14:28.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002497)  
increase?

**[02:14:32.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002498)  
Ano ito? Malampaya?

**[02:14:35.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002499)  
Royalty? Siguro ito eh, no?

**[02:14:38.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002500)  
Mr. Chair, you mean

**[02:14:40.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002501)  
for what it will be used?

**[02:14:42.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002502)  
No, no. Anong source?

**[02:14:44.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002503)  
Source niya. Ah, yung

**[02:14:45.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002504)  
nag-increase.

**[02:14:46.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002505)  
Sorry, siya.

**[02:14:48.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002506)  
Hindi ko nakita.

**[02:14:50.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002507)  
It's okay. It's malampaya.

**[02:14:52.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002508)  
It's malampaya.

**[02:14:54.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002509)  
And, um...

**[02:14:57.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002510)  
Sa reko ba?

**[02:15:00.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002511)  
at the other fees also that we collect

**[02:15:03.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002512)  
kasi technically it's supposed to be

**[02:15:05.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002513)  
like 20% of the

**[02:15:07.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002514)  
of the collections

**[02:15:08.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002515)  
but majority of that is at

**[02:15:11.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002516)  
itong

**[02:15:12.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002517)  
isa yan

**[02:15:17.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002518)  
I think other collections

**[02:15:19.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002519)  
no

**[02:15:19.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002520)  
okay

**[02:15:25.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002521)  
and

**[02:15:26.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002522)  
and the reason for that

**[02:15:30.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002523)  
that's the new well

**[02:15:31.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002524)  
the increase

**[02:15:33.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002525)  
yes sir

**[02:15:34.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002526)  
pero there's also the increase

**[02:15:35.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002527)  
on the renewable energy

**[02:15:36.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002528)  
sa mga collections namin

**[02:15:38.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002529)  
kasi dumadami din yung mga gen

**[02:15:40.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002530)  
but this is

**[02:15:42.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002531)  
what is this

**[02:15:49.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002532)  
this is

**[02:15:54.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002533)  
this is the collection

**[02:15:55.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002534)  
pero hindi pa

**[02:15:56.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002535)  
net

**[02:15:56.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002536)  
net to government

**[02:15:57.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002537)  
yun diba

**[02:15:57.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002538)  
is that net to government

**[02:16:00.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002539)  
yan yan yan

**[02:16:02.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002540)  
bakit lumaki siya

**[02:16:04.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002541)  
for 2027

**[02:16:07.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002542)  
it's more than your

**[02:16:08.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002543)  
new appropriation

**[02:16:10.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002544)  
more than your

**[02:16:11.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002545)  
appropriation

**[02:16:12.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002546)  
sir

**[02:16:13.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002547)  
it's more of a

**[02:16:14.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002548)  
DBM

**[02:16:14.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002549)  
ano na

**[02:16:16.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002550)  
ni

**[02:16:16.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002551)  
ni reallocate

**[02:16:18.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002552)  
ang mga budget namin

**[02:16:19.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002553)  
sa special account

**[02:16:20.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002554)  
which is

**[02:16:21.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002555)  
anong source

**[02:16:22.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002556)  
our collections

**[02:16:25.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002557)  
our collections

**[02:16:26.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002558)  
our collections

**[02:16:26.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002559)  
sir

**[02:16:27.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002560)  
so yung slide na kanina

**[02:16:28.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002561)  
yun yung source

**[02:16:29.220] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002562)  
part of it

**[02:16:29.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002563)  
yes

**[02:16:30.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002564)  
part of it

**[02:16:31.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002565)  
and

**[02:16:31.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002566)  
ang tanong ko

**[02:16:33.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002567)  
is that because

**[02:16:34.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002568)  
of the new discovery

**[02:16:35.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002569)  
is that

**[02:16:36.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002570)  
is that the reason

**[02:16:37.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002571)  
kasi tingnan nyo

**[02:16:38.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002572)  
dati 30% lang

**[02:16:40.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002573)  
ang automatic

**[02:16:41.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002574)  
automatic includes

**[02:16:42.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002575)  
ano dyan eh

**[02:16:43.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002576)  
yung retirement

**[02:16:44.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002577)  
parli

**[02:16:45.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002578)  
pero malaki dito

**[02:16:47.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002579)  
nakita ko special account

**[02:16:48.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002580)  
so

**[02:16:48.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002581)  
but I don't have the breakdown

**[02:16:49.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002582)  
technically kasi

**[02:16:50.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002583)  
that's a source of funding

**[02:16:52.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002584)  
pero

**[02:16:53.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002585)  
what will qualify

**[02:16:54.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002586)  
under that special account

**[02:16:56.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002587)  
or certain projects lang

**[02:16:58.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002588)  
yes yes

**[02:16:58.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002589)  
I understand

**[02:16:58.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002590)  
but those certain projects

**[02:17:00.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002591)  
are continuing

**[02:17:01.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002592)  
or nag-increase

**[02:17:03.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002593)  
ng budget siya

**[02:17:04.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002594)  
ah

**[02:17:04.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002595)  
manap chair

**[02:17:06.460] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002596)  
yes I understand

**[02:17:07.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002597)  
what is the driver

**[02:17:08.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002598)  
of that

**[02:17:09.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002599)  
increase

**[02:17:10.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002600)  
is it malampaya

**[02:17:11.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002601)  
is it

**[02:17:12.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002602)  
geothermal

**[02:17:13.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002603)  
is it

**[02:17:14.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002604)  
it's mostly malampaya

**[02:17:16.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002605)  
kasi

**[02:17:16.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002606)  
because of the new discovery

**[02:17:18.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002607)  
that's a new discovery

**[02:17:18.940] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002608)  
it's slowly

**[02:17:19.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002609)  
going up

**[02:17:20.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002610)  
bumaba siya ng konti

**[02:17:21.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002611)  
sa 26

**[02:17:22.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002612)  
ah sa 25

**[02:17:24.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002613)  
tapos paakyat na yun naman siya

**[02:17:26.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002614)  
by

**[02:17:26.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002615)  
by 27

**[02:17:27.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002616)  
28

**[02:17:27.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002617)  
I think it will hit

**[02:17:28.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002618)  
it will

**[02:17:29.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002619)  
keep on increasing

**[02:17:30.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002620)  
so it's it's

**[02:17:31.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002621)  
the new discovery

**[02:17:33.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002622)  
ang

**[02:17:33.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002623)  
ang

**[02:17:35.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002624)  
driver

**[02:17:36.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002625)  
tama

**[02:17:37.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002626)  
yes

**[02:17:38.220] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002627)  
the projections of the new discovery

**[02:17:40.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002628)  
yes

**[02:17:40.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002629)  
yeah because yung new appropriations

**[02:17:42.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002630)  
stable siya 2 billion

**[02:17:44.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002631)  
pero the

**[02:17:45.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002632)  
the

**[02:17:46.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002633)  
itong automatic appropriations

**[02:17:50.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002634)  
ang nakita kong lumalaki

**[02:17:51.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002635)  
okay

**[02:17:52.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002636)  
um

**[02:17:53.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002637)  
sige

**[02:17:56.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002638)  
next will be

**[02:17:57.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002639)  
ito na

**[02:17:58.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002640)  
pag-usapan natin

**[02:17:59.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002641)  
last year

**[02:17:59.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002642)  
um

**[02:18:00.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002643)  
pero

**[02:18:06.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002644)  
ito galing sa

**[02:18:08.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002645)  
LBR mo

**[02:18:09.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002646)  
yung automatic

**[02:18:10.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002647)  
automatic appropriations

**[02:18:12.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002648)  
does not include

**[02:18:13.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002649)  
malampaya

**[02:18:14.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002650)  
...

**[02:18:21.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002651)  
...

**[02:18:22.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002652)  
...

**[02:18:56.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002653)  
In the previous years,

**[02:18:58.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002654)  
we weren't given

**[02:19:00.720] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002655)  
although by law

**[02:19:04.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002656)  
we should have like 20% of that

**[02:19:06.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002657)  
but this is like the first time na

**[02:19:08.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002658)  
hindi lang sa fees kami

**[02:19:11.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002659)  
kundi pati sa malampaya

**[02:19:12.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002660)  
kaya nag-increase siya.

**[02:19:13.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002661)  
Ah, okay. Baka

**[02:19:15.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002662)  
hindi pa recorded.

**[02:19:54.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002669)  
nakita ko kasi dito

**[02:19:57.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002670)  
secretary may mga

**[02:19:59.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002671)  
may mga fees, mostly fees

**[02:20:03.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002672)  
and then

**[02:20:05.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002673)  
the other one is

**[02:20:07.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002674)  
share from national wealth which is

**[02:20:09.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002675)  
royalties.

**[02:20:12.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002676)  
Kasama dito

**[02:20:13.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002677)  
iba-iba. May geothermal,

**[02:20:15.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002678)  
wind, hydro, solar,

**[02:20:17.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002679)  
malampaya.

**[02:20:19.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002680)  
Just submit lang to us.

**[02:20:21.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002681)  
I just want to understand bakit

**[02:20:23.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002682)  
biglang lumaki,

**[02:20:24.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002683)  
wind jump

**[02:20:25.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002684)  
from an average

**[02:20:28.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002685)  
is about 800 million to 3 billion.

**[02:20:32.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002686)  
And then next is

**[02:20:34.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002687)  
ito na pag-usapan natin yung

**[02:20:36.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002688)  
Philippine

**[02:20:37.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002689)  
Gradiometry and Seismic Survey.

**[02:20:41.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002690)  
We funded it last year

**[02:20:42.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002691)  
I think about

**[02:20:44.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002692)  
600 million.

**[02:20:46.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002693)  
Tama ba?

**[02:20:48.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002694)  
627 million.

**[02:20:50.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002695)  
And then this year, there's a funding of

**[02:20:52.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002696)  
1.3 billion.

**[02:20:54.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002697)  
So,

**[02:20:54.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002698)  
can you give us an update kung ano nang

**[02:20:57.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002699)  
nangyari dito sa

**[02:20:57.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002700)  
627?

**[02:21:00.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002701)  
I support this.

**[02:21:01.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002702)  
Tatama kayo, secretary, dahil

**[02:21:03.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002703)  
mahirap naman mang benta kung wala tayong

**[02:21:05.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002704)  
data.

**[02:21:07.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002705)  
This is actually an

**[02:21:08.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002706)  
insertion, sasabihin ko sa

**[02:21:10.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002707)  
amendment.

**[02:21:11.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002708)  
Amendment from the

**[02:21:14.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002709)  
magandang insertion.

**[02:21:16.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002710)  
No, it's a good

**[02:21:17.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002711)  
addition.

**[02:21:19.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002712)  
Senator P, magandang insertion

**[02:21:21.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002713)  
slash amendment to dahil

**[02:21:22.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002714)  
this will give us

**[02:21:24.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002715)  
data. Itong mga, here, no?

**[02:21:27.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002716)  
Binigyan tayo ng data so that

**[02:21:29.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002717)  
we can go to the market

**[02:21:30.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002718)  
and sell the

**[02:21:32.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002719)  
service contracts right away. Dati kasi

**[02:21:34.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002720)  
tatanungin nila kung may laman o wala.

**[02:21:36.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002721)  
Hindi naman natin alam. So, ngayon,

**[02:21:38.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002722)  
meron na tayong information and data.

**[02:21:41.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002723)  
But I want to learn

**[02:21:42.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002724)  
kung anong nangyari.

**[02:21:44.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002725)  
First time kasi natin pinunduhan yan, eh, no?

**[02:21:47.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002726)  
So, successful ba siya?

**[02:21:49.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002727)  
Hindi successful? And I guess

**[02:21:50.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002728)  
it's successful because we're

**[02:21:52.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002729)  
also funding 1.3 billion.

**[02:21:54.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002730)  
Madam Chair, again,

**[02:21:57.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002731)  
we've been working

**[02:21:59.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002732)  
on this budget

**[02:22:01.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002733)  
since, well, as far as

**[02:22:03.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002734)  
I'm concerned, since 2022.

**[02:22:05.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002735)  
And this is the first time

**[02:22:07.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002736)  
after three years it was funded.

**[02:22:09.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002737)  
And we're very happy

**[02:22:11.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002738)  
with the progress of this. And

**[02:22:13.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002739)  
Yusex Halas will

**[02:22:15.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002740)  
explain the progress and where

**[02:22:17.160] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002741)  
we are at now. But this really

**[02:22:19.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002742)  
gives us a boost on the interest

**[02:22:21.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002743)  
of the international investors,

**[02:22:23.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002744)  
especially since the

**[02:22:24.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002745)  
announcement.

**[02:22:24.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002746)  
of the new discovery of

**[02:22:26.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002747)  
Malampaya. In addition

**[02:22:28.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002748)  
to this, we are

**[02:22:30.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002749)  
in the map now for exploration.

**[02:22:32.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002750)  
Go ahead.

**[02:22:33.920] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002751)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[02:22:37.480] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002752)  
With regards sa ating

**[02:22:38.900] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002753)  
Philippine Gradiometry

**[02:22:40.380] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002754)  
Survey, approved na and we are

**[02:22:42.320] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002755)  
implementing this year. So, yung

**[02:22:44.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002756)  
proseso humaba doon sa

**[02:22:45.920] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002757)  
pag-bid kasi the first time

**[02:22:48.620] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002758)  
we're bidding this magnitude and

**[02:22:50.640] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002759)  
all the bidders

**[02:22:51.980] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002760)  
were foreign bidders. So, we wanted

**[02:22:54.480] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002761)  
to be very extra careful.

**[02:22:56.580] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002762)  
The contract was awarded in

**[02:22:58.540] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002763)  
August. The airplane that's

**[02:23:00.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002764)  
going to be used in the survey

**[02:23:02.460] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002765)  
is currently finishing a job

**[02:23:04.760] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002766)  
in Japan. So,

**[02:23:06.700] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002767)  
ang scheduled arrival nung

**[02:23:08.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002768)  
equipment, the airplane,

**[02:23:10.500] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002769)  
is ngayon sometimes

**[02:23:12.040] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002770)  
before the end of September.

**[02:23:15.740] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002771)  
So,

**[02:23:17.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002772)  
they can start

**[02:23:18.220] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002773)  
October. Yung 40,000

**[02:23:21.000] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002774)  
square kilometers po

**[02:23:22.360] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002775)  
na popondohan itong 20,000.

**[02:23:24.480] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002776)  
So, by the end of the year,

**[02:23:25.240] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002777)  
ay matatapos ang

**[02:23:26.660] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002778)  
acquisition. Approximately

**[02:23:28.820] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002779)  
three months po. So, by the end

**[02:23:30.780] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002780)  
of the year, na-acquire yung data.

**[02:23:33.440] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002781)  
But the data now

**[02:23:34.840] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002782)  
has to be processed. So, yung processing

**[02:23:36.860] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002783)  
nito, mga another

**[02:23:38.500] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002784)  
three months. So, by the

**[02:23:40.420] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002785)  
end of the first quarter next year, yung

**[02:23:42.580] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002786)  
final product, makikita

**[02:23:44.880] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002787)  
na po at madideliver na po

**[02:23:46.460] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002788)  
sa Pilipinas.

**[02:23:48.720] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002789)  
And in fact, yung ating

**[02:23:50.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002790)  
pinopropose ngayon, which was part of the

**[02:23:52.560] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002791)  
original phase program,

**[02:23:54.480] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002792)  
is double the size.

**[02:23:56.980] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002793)  
So, ito po ay 80,000

**[02:23:58.660] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002794)  
square kilometers, located

**[02:24:00.420] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002795)  
in Central Visayas

**[02:24:02.380] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002796)  
region. And we have explained

**[02:24:04.680] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002797)  
why we chose those two regions

**[02:24:06.680] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002798)  
dahil ito yung mga parang

**[02:24:08.420] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002799)  
forgotten areas natin. Dahil

**[02:24:10.620] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002800)  
dati, inisip ng mga

**[02:24:12.680] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002801)  
geologists na

**[02:24:14.100] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002802)  
gas-prone niyang mga yan.

**[02:24:16.940] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002803)  
So, hindi pinag-aksayahan ng

**[02:24:18.540] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002804)  
panahon, noong 70s at 80s.

**[02:24:20.800] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002805)  
Ngayon, alam natin, importante ang

**[02:24:22.580] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002806)  
gas. So, nag-acquire.

**[02:24:24.480] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002807)  
Tayo dito sa dalawang lugar.

**[02:24:26.800] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002808)  
To jumpstart po yung

**[02:24:28.080] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002809)  
2027, we plan to do

**[02:24:30.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002810)  
early procurement.

**[02:24:32.360] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002811)  
Kasi merong, ang maganda doon ito

**[02:24:34.380] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002812)  
sa ginagawa natin, walang weather

**[02:24:36.180] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002813)  
window sa Mindanao, they can shoot

**[02:24:37.980] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002814)  
October, November, December.

**[02:24:40.540] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002815)  
Pero sa Central Visayas, we

**[02:24:42.240] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002816)  
want them to start shooting by

**[02:24:44.380] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002817)  
as early as

**[02:24:46.400] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002818)  
March para

**[02:24:47.660] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002819)  
nasa good weather window po

**[02:24:50.060] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002820)  
itong 2027 program

**[02:24:52.500] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002821)  
natin.

**[02:24:54.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002822)  
Ito ba, Usec, may third-party contractor?

**[02:24:57.600] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002822-split-2)  
Meron po, there are a limited

**[02:24:59.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002823)  
number of companies in the world

**[02:25:01.880] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002824)  
na ginagawa itong ganitong klaseng

**[02:25:04.100] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002825)  
acquisition

**[02:25:06.020] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002826)  
ng airborne data.

**[02:25:08.460] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002827)  
So, we contract them and

**[02:25:09.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002828)  
they bring in their airplane.

**[02:25:11.340] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002828-split-2)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:25:12.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002829)  
And then they do the survey and

**[02:25:14.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002830)  
pati analysis.

**[02:25:16.600] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002831)  
Part of it, interpretation

**[02:25:18.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002832)  
but mag-onboard ang ating

**[02:25:20.180] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002833)  
mga tao sa DOE when

**[02:25:22.080] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002834)  
they process and interpret.

**[02:25:24.480] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002835)  
So, may part nung

**[02:25:26.120] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002836)  
ating agreement with

**[02:25:28.400] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002837)  
them. And in fact, if

**[02:25:30.340] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002838)  
I may just

**[02:25:31.140] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002839)  
point out

**[02:25:33.980] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002840)  
at this committee, maiksilang

**[02:25:36.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002841)  
sir, having done this

**[02:25:38.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002842)  
now, na gobyerno

**[02:25:40.160] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002843)  
ang nag-acquire, nakita namin na

**[02:25:42.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002844)  
mas marami palang

**[02:25:44.320] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002845)  
benepiso yung contractor natin

**[02:25:46.400] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002846)  
kesa pag gobyerno po ang

**[02:25:48.140] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002847)  
gumawa. Kasi

**[02:25:49.980] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002848)  
pag contractor ang gumawa, under

**[02:25:52.140] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002849)  
the law, tax-free lahat ang

**[02:25:54.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002850)  
importasyon.

**[02:25:56.500] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002851)  
So, ngayon... May reimburse them,

**[02:25:58.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002852)  
di ba? Kasama yan sa

**[02:25:59.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002853)  
reimbursement. They have to recover the cost,

**[02:26:02.020] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002854)  
in other words. No, I mean, pasok

**[02:26:04.260] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002855)  
mong equipment, hindi po papatawa

**[02:26:06.180] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002856)  
ng customs, duties, and taxes.

**[02:26:08.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002857)  
So, tax-free. Then, i-re-re-export

**[02:26:10.680] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002858)  
naman yan after project.

**[02:26:12.200] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002859)  
Pero ngayon,

**[02:26:13.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002860)  
sabi ng DOE sa amin,

**[02:26:16.100] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002861)  
walang legal basis na DOE

**[02:26:18.520] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002862)  
ang kakontrata,

**[02:26:21.200] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002863)  
tax-free and

**[02:26:22.320] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002864)  
duty-free ang importasyon.

**[02:26:24.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002865)  
So, baka patawang kami ng...

**[02:26:27.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002866)  
But this is

**[02:26:28.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002867)  
purely service naman, di ba?

**[02:26:29.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002868)  
We pay them to do a

**[02:26:32.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002869)  
service for us.

**[02:26:34.140] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002870)  
Pero yung physical equipment,

**[02:26:36.380] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002871)  
importasyon ng aeroplano,

**[02:26:38.540] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002872)  
may tax and duties yun.

**[02:26:40.960] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002873)  
Which

**[02:26:41.280] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002874)  
contractor po natin ang gumawa,

**[02:26:44.560] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002875)  
under law,

**[02:26:46.460] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002876)  
exempted sila. Hindi sila magbabayad.

**[02:26:49.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002877)  
Sige. That's a different

**[02:26:50.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002878)  
discussion. Pero

**[02:26:52.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002879)  
meron na ba

**[02:26:54.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002880)  
tayong na-bid out na service contract

**[02:26:56.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002881)  
na meron nitong mga

**[02:26:57.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002882)  
geo...

**[02:27:00.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002883)  
gradiometer surveys?

**[02:27:02.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002884)  
Meron na ba tayong... And how's the reception?

**[02:27:05.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002885)  
Tumaas ba yung

**[02:27:06.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002886)  
presyo ng service contract?

**[02:27:08.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002887)  
Bidding to eh. Di ba?

**[02:27:10.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002888)  
Meron na bang ganyan?

**[02:27:12.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002889)  
This is the first time

**[02:27:13.600] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002890)  
nag-acquire yung mga

**[02:27:15.940] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002891)  
contractor natin dati.

**[02:27:18.260] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002892)  
So, hawak na nila yung kontrata.

**[02:27:20.000] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002893)  
They used the technique. Inacquire nila.

**[02:27:22.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002894)  
Yes, sir. Ibig sabihin itong

**[02:27:23.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002895)  
studies na ginagawa na natin

**[02:27:25.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002896)  
na gamit na ba

**[02:27:27.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002897)  
natin ito in our

**[02:27:29.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002898)  
auctions? Hindi pa po.

**[02:27:31.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002899)  
Wala pa. When do we

**[02:27:33.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002900)  
use that?

**[02:27:35.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002901)  
When na natin mag-agap?

**[02:27:36.860] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002902)  
Final na process na. So, the earliest time,

**[02:27:39.760] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002903)  
itong first set natin,

**[02:27:41.480] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002904)  
end of first quarter next year.

**[02:27:44.360] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002905)  
So, available na. Final na yung

**[02:27:45.900] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002906)  
product. Then we can

**[02:27:47.400] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002907)  
use that in the...

**[02:27:49.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002908)  
So, by second quarter next year.

**[02:27:51.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002909)  
Yes, sir. Makikita na natin yan sa...

**[02:27:53.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002910)  
Philippine Conventional

**[02:27:56.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002911)  
Energy Contracting

**[02:27:56.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002912)  
program natin.

**[02:28:00.300] DOE Undersecretary Alessandro O. Sales** (asr-002913)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:28:00.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002913-split-2)  
Okay.

**[02:28:02.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002914)  
Alright. And

**[02:28:03.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002915)  
my other question

**[02:28:07.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002916)  
to DOE is

**[02:28:09.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002917)  
the only way we can get

**[02:28:13.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002918)  
out of this

**[02:28:14.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002919)  
itong oil shock

**[02:28:19.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002920)  
na nakikita natin is

**[02:28:21.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002921)  
promotion of electric vehicles.

**[02:28:23.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002922)  
And I saw in the news

**[02:28:25.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002923)  
na nag-allocate ng

**[02:28:27.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002924)  
amounts to encourage manufacturing

**[02:28:29.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002925)  
here in

**[02:28:31.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002926)  
our country, which I support.

**[02:28:33.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002927)  
So, I want to

**[02:28:35.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002928)  
understand from DOE,

**[02:28:38.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002929)  
merong ano na ba ang

**[02:28:39.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002930)  
strategies natin

**[02:28:41.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002931)  
to improve the

**[02:28:43.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002932)  
adoption of electric vehicles?

**[02:28:45.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002933)  
That's the only way.

**[02:28:46.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002934)  
If we want to get

**[02:28:48.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002935)  
out of our addiction

**[02:28:50.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002936)  
to oil, imported oil, we need to

**[02:28:52.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002937)  
adopt electric vehicles.

**[02:28:53.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002938)  
Electric vehicles as quick as possible.

**[02:28:55.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002939)  
That's the only way. Wala naman ng ibang paraan.

**[02:28:57.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002940)  
So, I want to understand from DOE,

**[02:29:00.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002941)  
ano na ba yung mga strategies natin?

**[02:29:02.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002942)  
And I remember during the

**[02:29:03.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002943)  
LEDOC, Secretary, you were there.

**[02:29:06.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002944)  
The President was

**[02:29:07.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002945)  
going to issue an executive order

**[02:29:10.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002946)  
to

**[02:29:11.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002947)  
only allow electric

**[02:29:13.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002948)  
vehicles for new

**[02:29:15.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002949)  
purchases of government.

**[02:29:18.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002950)  
Kumusta na yung

**[02:29:19.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002951)  
ION na yun? So, that

**[02:29:21.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002952)  
government itself,

**[02:29:23.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002953)  
will be mandated to buy

**[02:29:25.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002954)  
electric vehicles?

**[02:29:27.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002955)  
First off, Madam Chair,

**[02:29:30.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002956)  
transportation

**[02:29:31.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002957)  
uses, is the

**[02:29:33.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002958)  
biggest consumer of

**[02:29:35.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002959)  
petroleum. It's 60%.

**[02:29:38.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002960)  
So, tama yung

**[02:29:40.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002961)  
direction na i-electrify siya.

**[02:29:42.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002962)  
Right now, we have

**[02:29:44.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002963)  
submitted a proposal

**[02:29:46.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002964)  
to the Office of the President for the

**[02:29:48.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002965)  
executive order na

**[02:29:49.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002966)  
future procurement of the

**[02:29:52.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002967)  
national government, except for some of the other things.

**[02:29:53.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002968)  
cases na dapat

**[02:29:56.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002969)  
ano na siya, electric

**[02:29:57.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002970)  
vehicles na siya.

**[02:30:00.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002971)  
There has been an upsurge in the sales of electric vehicles this past, this recent months.

**[02:30:09.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-002972)  
And I think if Madam Chair, Director Patrick can further explain what have we been doing and what we plan to do to build this momentum also.

**[02:30:23.240] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002973)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[02:30:26.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002974)  
In relation to what the Secretary has said, we've been monitoring the increasing number of sales.

**[02:30:32.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002975)  
We ended 2025 with more than 60,000 registered motor vehicles per the DOTR LTO, Land Transportation Office.

**[02:30:41.060] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002976)  
This time, as of the end of August, we've reached already more than 60,000 electric vehicles by way of sales.

**[02:30:48.940] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002977)  
This is the combined sales figures coming from the CAMPI as well as EVA.

**[02:30:53.480] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002978)  
So we expect to end 2026.

**[02:30:56.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002979)  
With more than 100,000 registered electric vehicles.

**[02:31:01.600] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002980)  
If you're inquiring as to the breakdown of the electric vehicles for sale, the one out of four, around 25% of the 60,000 that has been sold in 2026 is already battery electric vehicles.

**[02:31:15.980] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002981)  
The next share would be our hybrid electric vehicles, around 31%.

**[02:31:21.680] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002982)  
And the remaining balance is the hybrid electric vehicles, Mr. Chair.

**[02:31:26.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002983)  
With the permission of the Secretary, we are constantly monitoring the developments right now.

**[02:31:31.780] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002984)  
We take note of the recent pronouncement on the part of a private shipping company on barring electric vehicles.

**[02:31:40.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-002985)  
I was going to ask that in Montenegro lines.

**[02:31:43.200] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002986)  
What we'd like to indicate, Mr. Chair, is that we've already coordinated with Marina on the matter.

**[02:31:50.300] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002987)  
There's an ongoing review at the interagency level to update the rules.

**[02:31:56.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002988)  
And regulations with respect to the transport of electric vehicles.

**[02:32:00.540] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002989)  
Right now, the existing regulations doesn't specifically prohibit the transport of electric vehicles.

**[02:32:07.420] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002990)  
It falls within the ambit of hazardous transport materials.

**[02:32:11.480] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002991)  
So we are now working with Marina for the issuance of specific regulations so that our shipping lines would be properly guided.

**[02:32:19.320] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002992)  
We also take note of the recent incident, I think, in Quezon City.

**[02:32:24.560] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002993)  
We're in a townhome.

**[02:32:26.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002994)  
It was possibly been subject to a fire due to an electric scooter.

**[02:32:32.600] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002995)  
We'd like to take this opportunity to put on record that we are in coordination using the Evida Technical Working Group with the Bureau of Fire Protection.

**[02:32:41.320] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002996)  
And today, the Bureau of Fire Protection, with DOE participating and other stakeholders, is presently updating the fire code implementing rules and guidelines

**[02:32:51.360] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002997)  
so that our fire protection personnel will also be able to reach the airport.

**[02:32:56.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002998)  
be appropriately guided for

**[02:32:58.180] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-002999)  
those instances, Mr. Chair.

**[02:33:00.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003000)  
And then for the manufacturing,

**[02:33:03.180] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003001)  
we take note that

**[02:33:04.180] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003002)  
the President about a month ago

**[02:33:05.760] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003003)  
issued the Electric Vehicle

**[02:33:08.080] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003004)  
Incentive Strategy under Executive

**[02:33:10.340] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003005)  
Order 121.

**[02:33:12.740] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003006)  
The DOE is a member

**[02:33:14.240] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003007)  
of the Interagency Committee

**[02:33:16.040] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003008)  
under that, and we are

**[02:33:18.000] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003009)  
poised to convene with the designation

**[02:33:20.020] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003010)  
of the other agency heads

**[02:33:21.900] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003011)  
for that, Mr. Chair. We expect

**[02:33:24.220] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003012)  
that if the EVIS

**[02:33:26.320] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003013)  
is implemented in the

**[02:33:28.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003014)  
next two years, maximum

**[02:33:29.960] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003015)  
assistance for

**[02:33:31.340] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003016)  
end users, if it's

**[02:33:34.040] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003017)  
passed on to end users, will be up to

**[02:33:36.060] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003018)  
200,000 for locally

**[02:33:38.160] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003019)  
manufactured electric vehicles

**[02:33:40.240] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003020)  
in the country. The program

**[02:33:42.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003021)  
is good for three

**[02:33:44.200] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003022)  
companies, a maximum of two

**[02:33:46.140] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003023)  
models each.

**[02:33:48.940] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003024)  
With your permission,

**[02:33:50.260] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003025)  
I think you can inquire with the Board of

**[02:33:51.980] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003026)  
Investments being the lead agency,

**[02:33:53.840] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003027)  
but they have already

**[02:33:55.020] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003028)  
signified that at least one

**[02:33:57.440] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003029)  
car manufacturer is

**[02:33:59.780] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003030)  
interested in availing one or more

**[02:34:01.700] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003031)  
of the models for the EV

**[02:34:03.660] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003032)  
Incentive Strategy, Mr. Chair.

**[02:34:05.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003033)  
Just two more questions,

**[02:34:08.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003034)  
Director Patrick.

**[02:34:09.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003035)  
Yes, please. Before you leave the

**[02:34:11.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003036)  
topic on EVs, I don't know

**[02:34:13.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003037)  
if I missed it.

**[02:34:15.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003038)  
Did you mention anything

**[02:34:17.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003039)  
specifically on PUVs

**[02:34:19.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003040)  
or EVs lang in general?

**[02:34:22.960] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003041)  
Madam Chair,

**[02:34:23.840] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003042)  
for the PUV,

**[02:34:25.660] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003043)  
there is an ongoing updating

**[02:34:27.540] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003044)  
of the

**[02:34:29.620] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003045)  
plan from the

**[02:34:31.780] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003046)  
DOTR, the program, so that

**[02:34:33.820] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003047)  
the incentives provided

**[02:34:35.820] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003048)  
for the

**[02:34:37.640] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003049)  
modernization matches

**[02:34:39.700] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003050)  
the cost for public transport.

**[02:34:42.420] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003051)  
We also take note, based on

**[02:34:43.860] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003052)  
the monitoring, that

**[02:34:45.500] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003053)  
recently the Land Transportation

**[02:34:47.500] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003054)  
Franchising Regulatory Board,

**[02:34:49.440] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003055)  
LTFRB, issued

**[02:34:51.380] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003056)  
a call

**[02:34:53.220] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003057)  
for

**[02:34:53.840] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003058)  
7,000 to 8,000 franchises

**[02:34:56.140] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003059)  
exclusively for electric

**[02:34:57.800] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003060)  
vehicles in compliance with

**[02:34:59.560] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003061)  
the EVIDA itself that says

**[02:35:01.900] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003062)  
to provide preferential

**[02:35:03.460] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003063)  
licensing for electric

**[02:35:06.080] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003064)  
vehicles, Madam Chair.

**[02:35:07.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003065)  
So the lead agency is DOTR?

**[02:35:10.600] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003066)  
Madam Chair, for the

**[02:35:11.920] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003067)  
franchising, yes, but

**[02:35:13.940] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003068)  
for the EVIDA itself, it's

**[02:35:15.760] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003069)  
DOE. That's why we're able to report on this.

**[02:35:18.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003070)  
Thank you.

**[02:35:18.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003071)  
Yeah, and it's very thorough. Thank you for that.

**[02:35:21.260] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003072)  
I just want to

**[02:35:22.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003073)  
mention,

**[02:35:23.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003074)  
to you, and

**[02:35:25.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003075)  
I might have taken this up with

**[02:35:27.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003076)  
DOTR and not here, so

**[02:35:29.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003077)  
just remind me, Secretary Garin, if you've

**[02:35:31.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003078)  
heard me talk about this, but

**[02:35:33.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003079)  
this is

**[02:35:36.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003080)  
my other hat as a

**[02:35:37.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003081)  
former, ah, former

**[02:35:39.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003082)  
ba ko? Am I still the culture

**[02:35:41.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003083)  
and arts? Am I? No, I'm not. I'm former.

**[02:35:44.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003084)  
...

**[02:35:46.420] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003085)  
Okay, so I am handling the budget

**[02:35:47.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003086)  
of culture and arts. Di ko na maalala kung ano.

**[02:35:51.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003087)  
I wanted to ensure, and I've

**[02:35:53.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003088)  
discussed it in the past, that yung

**[02:35:55.600] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003089)  
jeepneys are a very colorful,

**[02:35:57.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003090)  
meaningful, vibrant

**[02:35:59.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003091)  
part of our

**[02:36:01.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003092)  
heritage and culture.

**[02:36:03.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003093)  
So when we, even before

**[02:36:05.860] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003094)  
talks of EV, yung mga modern,

**[02:36:07.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003095)  
wala na, hindi na inaabala,

**[02:36:09.580] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003096)  
nalagyan ng mga, ano,

**[02:36:11.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003097)  
ng mga artwork, yung mga

**[02:36:13.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003098)  
yung kapalit ng,

**[02:36:15.920] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003099)  
in fact, kahit yung ibang jeep nga, parang

**[02:36:17.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003100)  
stainless lang, pangit-pangit, and

**[02:36:19.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003101)  
there's enough evidence that tells us,

**[02:36:23.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003102)  
that when we see beautiful things, it makes us

**[02:36:25.580] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003103)  
happy. So nastuck ka na nga sa traffic,

**[02:36:28.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003104)  
lumanghap ka na nga sa katutak na

**[02:36:29.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003105)  
usok, at least may makita kang magagandang

**[02:36:31.960] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003106)  
kulay, di ba? So

**[02:36:33.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003107)  
can you make sure that's part of the

**[02:36:35.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003108)  
agenda? Because, and then

**[02:36:37.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003109)  
we'll employ local artists, so on

**[02:36:39.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003110)  
and so forth. Second point,

**[02:36:41.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003111)  
I read an article recently

**[02:36:43.860] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003112)  
that

**[02:36:45.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003113)  
there's a

**[02:36:47.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003114)  
jeepney manufacturer,

**[02:36:49.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003115)  
there's just a few in the country, no?

**[02:36:51.620] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003116)  
But not them pa nga.

**[02:36:53.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003117)  
The one I'm more familiar with, kasi it really

**[02:36:55.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003118)  
died na, is

**[02:36:57.420] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003119)  
a town in Cavite, na

**[02:36:59.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003120)  
known talaga. Like, it

**[02:37:01.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003121)  
was so inspiring,

**[02:37:03.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003122)  
President, kasi, I don't know if it

**[02:37:05.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003123)  
was 30, 50 years ago, like

**[02:37:07.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003124)  
the whole town was involved from

**[02:37:09.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003125)  
the, from those who can

**[02:37:11.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003126)  
have the funding to invest in the

**[02:37:13.460] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003127)  
manufacture to the specialization on

**[02:37:15.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003128)  
the machine and everything. They produced

**[02:37:17.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003129)  
jeepneys, tapos unti-unti nang namatay.

**[02:37:20.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003130)  
So it would be a great way,

**[02:37:21.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003131)  
you know, I think we have to, I'll

**[02:37:23.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003132)  
be happy to initiate talks

**[02:37:25.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003133)  
with DTI, pero I'm just

**[02:37:27.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003134)  
parking it with you. I'll tell you the name of the town later

**[02:37:29.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003135)  
kasi best friend ng son ko

**[02:37:31.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003136)  
dun, taga doon sa town na yan.

**[02:37:34.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003137)  
Na buhayin naman natin yung

**[02:37:35.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003138)  
industry na yun, diba? Kasi

**[02:37:37.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003139)  
the only, I mean the, what do you

**[02:37:39.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003140)  
call it, the hard shell of the

**[02:37:41.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003141)  
vehicle shouldn't really change,

**[02:37:43.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003142)  
right? And so anyway, I'm

**[02:37:45.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003143)  
just parking that because

**[02:37:46.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003144)  
these small economies,

**[02:37:49.980] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003145)  
you know, rely on our

**[02:37:51.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003146)  
vision to thrive. And in

**[02:37:53.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003147)  
this case, namatay na, buhayin natin ulit

**[02:37:55.580] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003148)  
in the same way na binubuhayin nyo yung geothermal,

**[02:37:58.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003149)  
yung natural gas,

**[02:38:00.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003150)  
dibuhayin din natin yung industry

**[02:38:01.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003151)  
na to. So yun lang.

**[02:38:03.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003152)  
Yes, Madam Chair.

**[02:38:05.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003153)  
For example,

**[02:38:07.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003154)  
DOST is developing

**[02:38:09.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003155)  
a technology na pwede nilang

**[02:38:11.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003156)  
how do you call that?

**[02:38:13.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003157)  
I-retrofit

**[02:38:14.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003158)  
yung mga tricycle natin

**[02:38:17.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003159)  
into electric.

**[02:38:20.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003160)  
DOST is developing

**[02:38:21.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003161)  
a technology na may kit sila,

**[02:38:23.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003162)  
may i-retrofit mo yung tricycle mo

**[02:38:25.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003163)  
into electric without changing the

**[02:38:27.720] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003164)  
whole image.

**[02:38:29.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003165)  
We'll coordinate with DOST and maybe

**[02:38:31.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003166)  
developing it for jeepneys also.

**[02:38:36.140] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003167)  
My senior staff is reminding me,

**[02:38:39.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003168)  
yes, exactly, that was my amendment pala.

**[02:38:41.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003169)  
So I was, I

**[02:38:42.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003170)  
I'm trying to recall because

**[02:38:45.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003171)  
when I remember doing the amendment, then I

**[02:38:47.480] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003172)  
park it with the agencies, remind them of

**[02:38:49.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003173)  
it, and yan, binubuhay ko lang.

**[02:38:51.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003174)  
Naalala mo pa kaysa sa akin. Yes,

**[02:38:53.480] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003175)  
thank you. So nasa batas yan, required

**[02:38:55.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003176)  
yan. And the

**[02:38:57.200] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003177)  
agency to coordinate with is NCCA

**[02:38:59.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003178)  
kasi sila naman yung expert, hindi naman ako.

**[02:39:02.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003179)  
Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead,

**[02:39:03.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003180)  
SP. Thank you,

**[02:39:05.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003181)  
Chairperson

**[02:39:07.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003182)  
Pia. Two things

**[02:39:09.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003183)  
lang, Director

**[02:39:10.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003184)  
Patrick. Itong

**[02:39:12.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003185)  
itong nangyari

**[02:39:15.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003186)  
sa Montenegro lines, isolated

**[02:39:17.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003187)  
case to. It's a policy

**[02:39:19.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003188)  
na bawal ang EV sa mga

**[02:39:21.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003189)  
RORO. Kasi we're, our

**[02:39:23.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003190)  
nation eh. Lahat dito

**[02:39:25.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003191)  
gumagamit ng RORO, lalo na sa

**[02:39:27.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003192)  
probinsya. E kung pagbabawalan

**[02:39:29.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003193)  
ng EV, disincentive

**[02:39:31.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003194)  
yun sa mga bibili sa

**[02:39:33.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003195)  
probinsya. Is this an isolated case?

**[02:39:35.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003196)  
May policy ba ang

**[02:39:37.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003197)  
Marina sa ganyan?

**[02:39:40.200] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003198)  
Mr. Chair, as I mentioned,

**[02:39:42.240] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003199)  
the guidelines

**[02:39:43.600] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003200)  
right now of Marina doesn't have specific

**[02:39:45.700] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003201)  
rules for electric

**[02:39:47.340] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003202)  
vehicles. That's why we're

**[02:39:49.760] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003203)  
coordinating with them to come out

**[02:39:51.480] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003204)  
with a new guidance specifically

**[02:39:53.360] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003205)  
to address this concern.

**[02:39:55.600] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003206)  
Incidentally, Mr. Chair,

**[02:39:57.220] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003207)  
Madam Chair, this is not the first instance

**[02:39:59.620] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003208)  
wherein a shipping line has issued

**[02:40:01.560] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003209)  
something similar.

**[02:40:03.080] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003210)  
We saw this happen about a year

**[02:40:05.600] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003211)  
ago with another

**[02:40:07.480] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003212)  
shipping line as a knee-jerk

**[02:40:09.600] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003213)  
reaction whenever there is a fire.

**[02:40:12.260] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003214)  
I think the fire being referred

**[02:40:13.660] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003215)  
to here, Mr. Chair, for the

**[02:40:15.520] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003216)  
record is the one that happened

**[02:40:17.500] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003217)  
in Coron, but that is not

**[02:40:19.580] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003218)  
a vessel owned by Montenegro.

**[02:40:21.940] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003219)  
Based on our coordination,

**[02:40:23.360] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003220)  
the investigation is still ongoing.

**[02:40:26.060] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003221)  
What is factual

**[02:40:27.640] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003222)  
in that instance

**[02:40:28.680] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003223)  
for the committee and for the rest of the appreciation

**[02:40:31.620] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003224)  
is that there was an electric

**[02:40:33.560] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003225)  
vehicle in the vessel

**[02:40:35.760] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003226)  
in Coron, but there were also

**[02:40:37.420] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003227)  
internal combustion engines.

**[02:40:40.120] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003228)  
That's why there is no finding yet

**[02:40:41.620] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003229)  
that the fire

**[02:40:43.260] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003230)  
was caused by the electric vehicle.

**[02:40:45.720] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003231)  
But in any event, Mr. Chair,

**[02:40:47.480] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003232)  
the DOE, through the

**[02:40:49.060] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003233)  
EVIDA Technical Working Group, is coordinating

**[02:40:51.040] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003234)  
with Marina and the Bureau of Fire Protection.

**[02:40:53.360] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003235)  
To come out with updated guidance

**[02:40:55.440] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003236)  
so that all of our

**[02:40:57.320] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003237)  
government is aware on how to proceed

**[02:40:59.600] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003238)  
on this.

**[02:41:00.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003239)  
Thank you for that. Itong binabasa ko yung Montenegro lines.

**[02:41:05.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003240)  
Wherein the

**[02:41:07.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003241)  
initial investigation indicates

**[02:41:09.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003242)  
that the explosion might have

**[02:41:11.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003243)  
originated, may have originated

**[02:41:13.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003244)  
from an electric vehicle.

**[02:41:15.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003245)  
So I think yun yung, yun ba

**[02:41:17.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003246)  
ang initial investigation? Parang yun ang

**[02:41:19.360] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003247)  
That's based on

**[02:41:21.220] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003248)  
our coordination, Mr. Chair.

**[02:41:23.360] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003249)  
Is that, what is an established

**[02:41:25.220] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003250)  
fact is there was an electric vehicle

**[02:41:27.300] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003251)  
but that particular

**[02:41:29.140] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003252)  
portion has not yet come out

**[02:41:31.460] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003253)  
in any official government

**[02:41:33.140] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003254)  
investigation. So it's a, I think

**[02:41:35.220] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003255)  
a proactive approach of Montenegro

**[02:41:37.080] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003256)  
for their vessel safety and

**[02:41:39.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003257)  
the riding. Well, hindi natin pwede

**[02:41:41.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003258)  
isalang-alang yung safety

**[02:41:43.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003259)  
ng mga pasahero. That's number one.

**[02:41:45.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003260)  
But it's important to get

**[02:41:47.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003261)  
clarity

**[02:41:48.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003262)  
dahil nga

**[02:41:50.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003263)  
iniisip ko buong,

**[02:41:53.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003264)  
sa Cebu, Panay Island,

**[02:41:55.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003265)  
lahat yan puro ro-ro eh.

**[02:41:56.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003266)  
Buhol. It will be a

**[02:41:59.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003267)  
disincentive to many buyers kung

**[02:42:01.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003268)  
hindi sila papayagan.

**[02:42:03.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003269)  
So ano lang, let's

**[02:42:05.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003270)  
clear the

**[02:42:06.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003271)  
investigation.

**[02:42:09.240] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003272)  
Copy po, Mr. Chair.

**[02:42:10.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003273)  
My second is the charging stations.

**[02:42:14.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003274)  
Dahil under the law,

**[02:42:16.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003275)  
hindi talaga binigyan

**[02:42:17.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003276)  
ng timetable yung rollout ng

**[02:42:19.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003277)  
charging station. You know this, Director.

**[02:42:21.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003278)  
We gave the power to the DOE.

**[02:42:23.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003279)  
At marami na akong nakukuhang

**[02:42:25.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003280)  
mga comments sa mga

**[02:42:27.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003281)  
electric vehicle

**[02:42:29.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003282)  
owners na yung

**[02:42:31.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003283)  
condominium nila kulang ng

**[02:42:32.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003284)  
charging station. Sa mall,

**[02:42:35.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003285)  
kulang ng charging stations.

**[02:42:38.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003286)  
The reason

**[02:42:39.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003287)  
why we gave the DOE that power

**[02:42:41.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003288)  
because we don't know how fast,

**[02:42:43.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003289)  
how slow the adoption will

**[02:42:45.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003290)  
be. Depending yan on

**[02:42:47.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003291)  
the situation and many things.

**[02:42:49.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003292)  
So we didn't put in

**[02:42:51.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003293)  
the law the rollout of the

**[02:42:53.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003294)  
charging station. We gave that power to

**[02:42:55.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003295)  
the DOE. But right now, wala pa tayong

**[02:42:57.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003296)  
ganun na circular.

**[02:42:58.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003297)  
But now, I think we're in a point

**[02:43:01.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003298)  
right now that people are looking for charging stations.

**[02:43:03.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003299)  
And we can mandate

**[02:43:05.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003300)  
under the law, DOE can mandate

**[02:43:06.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003301)  
the installation of charging stations.

**[02:43:11.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003302)  
After the circular is

**[02:43:12.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003303)  
just

**[02:43:13.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003304)  
about to be released,

**[02:43:17.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003305)  
we just need to consider some

**[02:43:19.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003306)  
comments lang because some

**[02:43:21.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003307)  
of the commercial,

**[02:43:23.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003308)  
commercial establishments need

**[02:43:24.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003309)  
a little more grace period

**[02:43:27.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003310)  
because of the cost of

**[02:43:28.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003311)  
installing it also. So that's

**[02:43:31.220] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003312)  
just the only part that we're considering.

**[02:43:33.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003313)  
But the rest on the condominiums

**[02:43:34.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003314)  
and all the other establishments,

**[02:43:36.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003315)  
okay na siya. A few more months.

**[02:43:39.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003316)  
A few more days.

**[02:43:40.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003317)  
Let's follow up

**[02:43:43.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003318)  
ko lang yung circular na yan.

**[02:43:45.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003319)  
Again, I talked to

**[02:43:46.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003320)  
the industry and

**[02:43:48.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003321)  
meron na tayo kasing momentum.

**[02:43:50.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003322)  
So ang hesitating

**[02:43:53.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003323)  
na lang nung further

**[02:43:55.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003324)  
momentum is the charging station.

**[02:43:57.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003325)  
Kasi pila-pila raw sa

**[02:43:58.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003326)  
kondo nila dahil iisa lang. So

**[02:44:00.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003327)  
I think it's about time to

**[02:44:02.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003328)  
already use that power so that

**[02:44:04.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003329)  
establishments can

**[02:44:06.460] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003330)  
be mandated.

**[02:44:09.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003331)  
Also my condominium

**[02:44:11.040] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003332)  
doesn't.

**[02:44:12.080] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003333)  
With the permission po of the secretary,

**[02:44:15.260] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003334)  
I'll just state the figures po.

**[02:44:17.180] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003335)  
We now have

**[02:44:17.680] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003336)  
1,926 EV charging points

**[02:44:21.000] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003337)  
as of today.

**[02:44:22.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003338)  
And our

**[02:44:23.140] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003339)  
target is

**[02:44:24.820] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003340)  
7,000 before

**[02:44:26.780] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003341)  
2028. So we're almost 25%

**[02:44:29.900] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003342)  
of the way there.

**[02:44:31.380] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003343)  
We expect with the issuance

**[02:44:33.360] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003344)  
of the joint memorandum circular

**[02:44:35.060] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003345)  
with DILG, ARTA,

**[02:44:37.840] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003346)  
DPWH and DOE

**[02:44:39.340] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003347)  
on the streamline permitting

**[02:44:40.780] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003348)  
and operation

**[02:44:42.680] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003349)  
for the electric vehicle charging station,

**[02:44:46.080] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003350)  
mas bibilis po yung

**[02:44:47.140] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003351)  
pag-rollout ng charging station,

**[02:44:49.620] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003352)  
Madam Chair.

**[02:44:50.620] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003353)  
Madam Chair,

**[02:44:51.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003354)  
we're

**[02:44:53.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003355)  
we're doing several things just to build

**[02:44:55.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003356)  
on the momentum.

**[02:44:57.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003357)  
We're doing, we plan to have

**[02:44:59.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003358)  
CARAB

**[02:45:00.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003359)  
funds for the EVs, and we're

**[02:45:02.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003360)  
rolling out more

**[02:45:03.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003361)  
government-funded

**[02:45:05.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003362)  
charging stations, especially on

**[02:45:07.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003363)  
SLEX and NLEX areas.

**[02:45:10.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003364)  
We're allotting

**[02:45:11.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003365)  
more funding for that from the

**[02:45:13.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003366)  
DOE budget.

**[02:45:16.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003367)  
And then also, we

**[02:45:17.220] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003368)  
are trying to, we are entering

**[02:45:19.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003369)  
into agreements with the LGUs

**[02:45:21.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003370)  
because, for example, in

**[02:45:23.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003371)  
Bataan, they had an

**[02:45:26.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003372)  
exclusive agreement

**[02:45:27.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003373)  
with one company, and the company will

**[02:45:29.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003374)  
be the one putting up the

**[02:45:31.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003375)  
charging stations, but at the same time,

**[02:45:33.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003376)  
they procure their vehicles.

**[02:45:35.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003377)  
But it works like that, and we're trying to find

**[02:45:37.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003378)  
more LGUs that will be willing,

**[02:45:39.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003379)  
especially here in Metro Manila.

**[02:45:41.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003380)  
So, we're pushing and pushing

**[02:45:43.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003381)  
because

**[02:45:44.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003382)  
it's difficult to say at what

**[02:45:47.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003383)  
point, how many

**[02:45:49.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003384)  
charging stations do you need

**[02:45:52.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003385)  
to have? Because

**[02:45:53.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003386)  
in some areas, they charge at home.

**[02:45:56.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003387)  
They don't need

**[02:45:57.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003388)  
charging stations.

**[02:45:59.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003389)  
We're just pushing lang sa mga highways

**[02:46:01.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003390)  
lang muna, yung mga major

**[02:46:03.240] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003391)  
thoroughfares, para they won't

**[02:46:05.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003392)  
fear traveling to Baguio or going

**[02:46:07.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003393)  
to Batangas.

**[02:46:10.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003394)  
But I think

**[02:46:11.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003395)  
at a certain point, it

**[02:46:13.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003396)  
will be organically the,

**[02:46:15.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003397)  
also the private stakeholders that

**[02:46:17.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003398)  
will put it up.

**[02:46:20.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003399)  
Well, yun na lang ang kulang,

**[02:46:22.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003400)  
that circular. Ako, I believe

**[02:46:24.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003401)  
once you release that circular,

**[02:46:26.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003402)  
magkakaroon ng mas marami

**[02:46:28.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003403)  
ng charging stations sa mga

**[02:46:29.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003404)  
bahay, building, mall,

**[02:46:31.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003405)  
offices, and that will encourage

**[02:46:33.460] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003406)  
further adoption

**[02:46:35.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003407)  
of electric vehicles.

**[02:46:39.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003408)  
Thank you.

**[02:46:40.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003409)  
Thank you, Secretary.

**[02:46:41.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003410)  
I'll wait for my second round.

**[02:46:44.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003411)  
Chairperson,

**[02:46:45.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003412)  
makinig muna ako

**[02:46:48.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003413)  
sa iyo.

**[02:46:51.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003414)  
Ganito din eh.

**[02:46:55.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003415)  
Okay na ako sa madaling salita.

**[02:46:57.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003416)  
Okay na ako.

**[02:46:59.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003417)  
Kuklosing lang ako. Pagtapos ka na.

**[02:47:02.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003418)  
Sige, tuloy ko na,

**[02:47:04.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003419)  
Chairperson.

**[02:47:06.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003420)  
I just had a question.

**[02:47:08.580] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003421)  
Follow up lang ako sa inyo.

**[02:47:13.620] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003422)  
Do we have

**[02:47:14.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003423)  
the numbers

**[02:47:16.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003424)  
of

**[02:47:17.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003425)  
during, ever since the crisis started,

**[02:47:21.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003426)  
do we know

**[02:47:21.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003427)  
how much fuel

**[02:47:24.080] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003428)  
we have saved

**[02:47:25.480] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003429)  
by virtue of those who are

**[02:47:28.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003430)  
using EVs, whether high

**[02:47:29.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003431)  
hybrid or not? If we do, it would be great.

**[02:47:31.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003432)  
If not, maybe you can find it. Because

**[02:47:33.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003433)  
you know, it's numbers that

**[02:47:35.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003434)  
support

**[02:47:36.300] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003435)  
this more sustainable lifestyle.

**[02:47:40.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003436)  
Do you have it?

**[02:47:40.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003437)  
We'll generate.

**[02:47:43.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003438)  
You can estimate that naman, diba?

**[02:47:45.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003439)  
Kasi I was also asking my staff ito.

**[02:47:48.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003440)  
Ito yung tanong ko at ito yung sagot.

**[02:47:50.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003441)  
So, a hybrid car

**[02:47:52.020] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003442)  
typically cuts consumption by

**[02:47:53.960] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003443)  
35,000 pesos.

**[02:47:58.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003444)  
Tama ba?

**[02:47:59.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003445)  
35,000 pesos.

**[02:47:59.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003446)  
35,000 to 45,000 per year.

**[02:48:01.460] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003447)  
So, that's basically 3,000 to 4,000

**[02:48:03.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003448)  
pesos a month. And that's big

**[02:48:05.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003449)  
for a family or for

**[02:48:07.600] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003450)  
an individual. So,

**[02:48:09.920] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003451)  
with that in mind, on an individual

**[02:48:11.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003452)  
basis,

**[02:48:12.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003453)  
this is

**[02:48:14.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003454)  
meaningful and then we want to see it collectively

**[02:48:17.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003455)  
because it also helps you.

**[02:48:19.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003456)  
Yung stockpile mo na

**[02:48:21.480] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003457)  
45 days

**[02:48:23.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003458)  
or 50 days, how many yung na-extend

**[02:48:25.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003459)  
doon dahil nag-i-EV yung mga tao?

**[02:48:27.880] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003460)  
Diba?

**[02:48:28.430] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003460-split-2)  
Madam Chair,

**[02:48:29.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003461)  
pre-wire

**[02:48:31.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003462)  
the savings of

**[02:48:33.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003463)  
electric vehicle, the cost

**[02:48:36.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003464)  
per kilometer of electric vehicle

**[02:48:38.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003465)  
is one-third, na?

**[02:48:39.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003466)  
One-third compared to diesel?

**[02:48:42.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003467)  
Is that correct?

**[02:48:43.480] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003468)  
Correct. Just for the exact figures,

**[02:48:47.060] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003469)  
Madam Chair,

**[02:48:48.580] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003470)  
if we say

**[02:48:49.720] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003471)  
5 pesos per kilometer using an

**[02:48:51.660] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003472)  
internal combustion engine,

**[02:48:53.920] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003473)  
for a battery

**[02:48:55.760] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003474)  
electric vehicle,

**[02:48:57.820] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003475)  
that's only 1 pesos

**[02:48:59.660] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003476)  
and 50 centavos

**[02:49:01.620] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003477)  
to run, more or less.

**[02:49:03.840] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003478)  
And then for the PHEV

**[02:49:05.840] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003479)  
or HEV, it's about 3 pesos and

**[02:49:07.720] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003480)  
50 centavos per kilometer.

**[02:49:10.380] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003481)  
So, there's clearly savings as

**[02:49:11.840] DOE EUMB Director Patrick T. Aquino** (asr-003482)  
mentioned by the Secretary.

**[02:49:13.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003483)  
I think to have,

**[02:49:15.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003484)  
you know those regular

**[02:49:17.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003485)  
tricycle na pag sa probinsya nakita mo,

**[02:49:19.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003486)  
parang sampu yung nakasakay doon. Parang mukha na

**[02:49:21.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003487)  
siyang mini-jeep, diba?

**[02:49:23.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003488)  
[unclear] na din EV

**[02:49:25.440] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003489)  
tricycle? Is it some? And if not,

**[02:49:27.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003490)  
these are things that we should really be

**[02:49:29.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003491)  
pushing. Kasi, when I talk about this,

**[02:49:31.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003492)  
sadly, this is probably

**[02:49:33.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003493)  
pang isang tao, yung nagda-drive

**[02:49:35.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003494)  
to work, at best, mag-asawa,

**[02:49:38.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003495)  
best, best, best case

**[02:49:39.580] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003496)  
scenario, pati mga anak hinahatin, sulit na yun,

**[02:49:41.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003497)  
apat sila, diba? Pero yung

**[02:49:43.420] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003498)  
sulit talaga is yung tricycle na pang

**[02:49:45.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003499)  
sampung tao.

**[02:49:46.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003500)  
We do understand. And I think

**[02:49:49.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003501)  
it will come. Because there are many

**[02:49:51.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003502)  
companies with

**[02:49:53.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003503)  
they have to design kasi yung mga,

**[02:49:57.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003504)  
whether it's battery swapping or charging,

**[02:49:59.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003505)  
stations, kailangan whole package yan eh.

**[02:50:02.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003506)  
Kakausapin mo yung toda

**[02:50:03.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003507)  
para doon sila magcha-charge and

**[02:50:05.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003508)  
the facilities have to be

**[02:50:07.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003509)  
there. So, I think it's coming because

**[02:50:09.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003510)  
a few companies are already here

**[02:50:11.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003511)  
exploring that concept.

**[02:50:13.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003512)  
So, I just want to make sure we

**[02:50:15.520] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003513)  
create that ecosystem that makes it easy

**[02:50:17.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003514)  
for them. Like, pati yung sa LGU,

**[02:50:19.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003515)  
equip sila with the knowledge to

**[02:50:21.600] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003516)  
help, you know, support yung mga

**[02:50:23.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003517)  
toda. Kasi, LGUs yung mga

**[02:50:25.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003518)  
nakatutok dyan sa mga toda, diba?

**[02:50:27.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003519)  
So, pag hindi rin nila alam kung paano,

**[02:50:29.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003520)  
matatagalan din. So, let's just

**[02:50:31.420] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003521)  
support. Okay, anyway, go ahead

**[02:50:33.460] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003522)  
and answer.

**[02:50:33.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003522-split-2)  
Just as an example,

**[02:50:36.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003523)  
it's with the

**[02:50:37.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003524)  
initiative of the private stakeholders.

**[02:50:40.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003525)  
For example, they're offering

**[02:50:41.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003526)  
no down payment

**[02:50:42.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003527)  
for buses

**[02:50:44.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003528)  
na pwede nilang gamitin.

**[02:50:47.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003529)  
So, that's, I mean, there

**[02:50:49.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003530)  
are many packages now coming

**[02:50:51.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003531)  
out. So, I think it's

**[02:50:53.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003532)  
just a matter of time na

**[02:50:55.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003533)  
magka-catch up na yung industry

**[02:50:57.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003534)  
natin, yung transport industry. Because,

**[02:50:59.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003535)  
local,

**[02:51:02.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003536)  
domestic, and international

**[02:51:03.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003537)  
companies are coming in, trying to explore

**[02:51:05.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003538)  
where are the opportunities for electric

**[02:51:07.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003539)  
vehicles.

**[02:51:11.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003540)  
Thank you. Thank you, Chairperson.

**[02:51:15.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003541)  
Autonomous

**[02:51:15.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003542)  
vehicle na nga pinag-uusapan natin

**[02:51:17.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003543)  
ngayon sa ibang bansa.

**[02:51:19.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003544)  
So, pero hindi kaya

**[02:51:21.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003545)  
dito. Loko-loko

**[02:51:23.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003546)  
mga driver dito, mababangga lang.

**[02:51:29.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003547)  
I'll go to

**[02:51:31.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003548)  
PNOC. I saw some

**[02:51:33.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003549)  
items in the budget. Sino na ba

**[02:51:35.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003550)  
ang presidente?

**[02:51:38.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003551)  
Mother.

**[02:51:40.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003552)  
That would be

**[02:51:41.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003553)  
President Chikoy.

**[02:51:43.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003554)  
President Chikoy. I saw

**[02:51:45.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003555)  
some items in the budget.

**[02:51:47.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003556)  
Meron dito sa

**[02:51:48.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003557)  
2027 NEP.

**[02:51:51.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003558)  
Storage tank farm

**[02:51:53.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003559)  
project with Maharlika Investment Corporation.

**[02:51:56.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003560)  
8 billion.

**[02:51:59.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003561)  
And then, there's also

**[02:52:01.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003562)  
strategic petroleum

**[02:52:04.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003563)  
reserve study with

**[02:52:06.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003564)  
Japan Meti.

**[02:52:09.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003565)  
8 billion.

**[02:52:10.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003566)  
Can we get details

**[02:52:12.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003567)  
on

**[02:52:13.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003568)  
8 billion yung feasibility study?

**[02:52:17.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003569)  
Mahal, ah?

**[02:52:19.460] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003570)  
Is that the amount?

**[02:52:21.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003571)  
8 billion na feasibility

**[02:52:22.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003572)  
study? Madam Chair,

**[02:52:25.760] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003573)  
Senate President, wala na po

**[02:52:26.880] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003574)  
yung study na po na 8 billion.

**[02:52:28.500] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003575)  
Yung 8 billion po na yan, gagamitin na lang po

**[02:52:29.520] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003576)  
para dun sa

**[02:52:30.740] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003577)  
storage tank farm na

**[02:52:32.120] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003578)  
first phase po na magiging 1 million

**[02:52:34.740] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003579)  
barrels po.

**[02:52:36.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003580)  
So, wala na itong

**[02:52:37.020] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003581)  
itong Meti?

**[02:52:39.140] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003582)  
Wala na po, Madam Chair.

**[02:52:41.140] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003583)  
Nilagay lang po yan dyan para pwede pong magamit dun

**[02:52:43.220] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003584)  
kung kailangan for the study.

**[02:52:45.460] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003585)  
And pwede rin siya gamitin for the

**[02:52:46.940] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003586)  
storage tank farm.

**[02:52:48.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003587)  
We recognize the presence of the

**[02:52:50.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003588)  
Chairman of the Finance Committee

**[02:52:52.920] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003589)  
na hilong-hilo na.

**[02:52:57.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003590)  
Chairman JV Ejercito.

**[02:52:59.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003591)  
Chairman Alvarez, itong 8 billion tank farm, a project with Maharlika, this is a joint project with Maharlika Investment Fund.

**[02:53:11.860] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003592)  
Supposed to be, Madam Chair, pero gagawin po namin yan, mauna na po yung PNOC kasi kung mag-aantayan pa po kami ng Maharlika matagal po.

**[02:53:21.600] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003593)  
So, ang gagawin yan, mauna na po ang PNOC and then kung gusto po mag-buy in or pumasok ni Maharlika, pwede po siya na pumasok.

**[02:53:28.640] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003594)  
Pero uunahan na po.

**[02:53:29.520] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003595)  
So, ang gagawin na po ng PNOC para gumalaw na po tayo.

**[02:53:31.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003596)  
Meron ba kayong, can you describe to us,

**[02:53:33.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003597)  
tayo magpapatayo ng

**[02:53:34.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003598)  
farm, tayo bibili

**[02:53:37.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003599)  
ng inventory, tayo magbebenta

**[02:53:39.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003600)  
ng inventory, how does that work?

**[02:53:42.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003601)  
Alam mo yung presyo

**[02:53:43.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003602)  
ng langis, up and down, up and down yan.

**[02:53:45.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003603)  
Pag bumili ka ng mataas,

**[02:53:47.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003604)  
bumaba yan, lugi ka agad gobyerno.

**[02:53:49.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003605)  
So, we need to,

**[02:53:51.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003606)  
this is a very specialized

**[02:53:53.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003607)  
business. I do agree na

**[02:53:55.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003608)  
kailangan may reserve, but the

**[02:53:57.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003609)  
model of how to do the reserve is a

**[02:53:59.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003610)  
very tricky one. Kaya nasabi

**[02:54:01.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003611)  
kanina ni

**[02:54:02.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003612)  
Senator Erwin, kung mayroong mamumuhunan,

**[02:54:05.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003613)  
silang magbibili, silang maglalagay doon,

**[02:54:08.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003614)  
may access lang tayo tuwing

**[02:54:09.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003615)  
may merong aberration or may shock.

**[02:54:14.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003616)  
I think that's a workable

**[02:54:15.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003617)  
model. Pero yung tayo bibili, tayo

**[02:54:17.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003618)  
mag-hold, that's a very

**[02:54:19.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003619)  
risky, that 8 billion

**[02:54:21.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003620)  
pwede mawala yan overnight.

**[02:54:23.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003621)  
So, we need to study that carefully.

**[02:54:25.240] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003622)  
Sir Chair,

**[02:54:26.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003623)  
drawing from the experience of the oil,

**[02:54:29.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003624)  
oil crisis,

**[02:54:32.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003625)  
we bought our own

**[02:54:35.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003626)  
reserves, let's say,

**[02:54:38.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003627)  
for about, almost about

**[02:54:39.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003628)  
20 billion. Hindi naman naubos

**[02:54:42.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003629)  
yan. But

**[02:54:43.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003630)  
since we don't have any tanks,

**[02:54:45.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003631)  
we had to resort to renting

**[02:54:47.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003632)  
or using the tanks of the

**[02:54:49.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003633)  
private companies. And that's

**[02:54:51.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003634)  
costly also.

**[02:54:53.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003635)  
So,

**[02:54:54.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003636)  
having learned

**[02:54:58.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003637)  
na dapat talaga,

**[02:54:59.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003638)  
government, or even a reserve

**[02:55:01.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003639)  
should be optimized.

**[02:55:05.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003640)  
Hence, we need

**[02:55:06.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003641)  
tanks, the government itself.

**[02:55:08.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003642)  
Kaya lang, sobrang siyang

**[02:55:10.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003643)  
very, it's a very expensive endeavor.

**[02:55:12.680] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003644)  
So, the idea is to have

**[02:55:14.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003645)  
our own reserves, at least to

**[02:55:15.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003646)  
target about

**[02:55:17.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003647)  
60 plus 60 days.

**[02:55:20.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003648)  
60 days.

**[02:55:22.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003649)  
60 days.

**[02:55:23.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003650)  
That will come over time because

**[02:55:25.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003651)  
1 million is only 5 days.

**[02:55:28.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003652)  
So, but we can

**[02:55:29.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003653)  
scale it up over time.

**[02:55:31.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003654)  
Para magkaroon tayo ng total

**[02:55:33.480] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003655)  
of 60 days na

**[02:55:35.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003656)  
reserve dito sa

**[02:55:37.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003657)  
Aten. And then,

**[02:55:39.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003658)  
including also

**[02:55:41.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003659)  
the private

**[02:55:43.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003660)  
reserve also. So, a total of

**[02:55:45.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003661)  
60. Hopefully, we can scale that.

**[02:55:47.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003662)  
So, as

**[02:55:48.720] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003663)  
the entity na bagay

**[02:55:51.440] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003664)  
dito, kasi it's Philippine National Oil Company,

**[02:55:54.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003665)  
it's mandated for

**[02:55:55.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003666)  
energy security. Hence, we

**[02:55:57.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003667)  
assigned it to PNOC,

**[02:55:59.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003668)  
my mother.

**[02:56:00.720] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003669)  
At coincidentally, they have the

**[02:56:03.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003670)  
property na rin. So, ang gagawin

**[02:56:05.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003671)  
ng

**[02:56:05.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003672)  
basic purpose ng reserve

**[02:56:09.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003673)  
is just really to secure ourselves

**[02:56:11.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003674)  
whenever things like this happens.

**[02:56:13.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003675)  
And other countries are already doing that.

**[02:56:16.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003676)  
They do it

**[02:56:17.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003677)  
in crude oil

**[02:56:19.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003678)  
or in petroleum products.

**[02:56:21.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003679)  
We can do both

**[02:56:23.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003680)  
because it's right beside the

**[02:56:25.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003681)  
refinery of Petron.

**[02:56:26.720] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003682)  
So, pwede siya maging crude na walang

**[02:56:28.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003683)  
expiration.

**[02:56:29.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003684)  
And part of it can be petroleum

**[02:56:31.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003685)  
also. But that can come later

**[02:56:33.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003686)  
nalang the decision of that.

**[02:56:34.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003687)  
MIC can come in, but

**[02:56:36.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003688)  
at the same time, we can also

**[02:56:39.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003689)  
welcome Adnoc or Masdar

**[02:56:41.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003690)  
or any other companies to partner

**[02:56:43.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003691)  
with PNOC.

**[02:56:44.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003692)  
Will it sell?

**[02:56:47.220] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003693)  
Will it do the commercial?

**[02:56:49.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003694)  
I think it will be more of

**[02:56:51.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003695)  
renting it out rather than doing

**[02:56:53.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003696)  
the commercial side of it na

**[02:56:54.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003697)  
si PNOC mismo yung magiging

**[02:56:56.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003698)  
core business siya yung magbibenta ng petroleum.

**[02:56:59.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003699)  
I think it's more of the storage facility

**[02:57:01.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003700)  
rather than the trading of it.

**[02:57:04.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003701)  
Is that the reason bakit

**[02:57:05.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003702)  
nasa contingency fund siya?

**[02:57:08.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003703)  
Mr. Chair, we requested

**[02:57:10.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003704)  
that kasi

**[02:57:11.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003705)  
if PNOC

**[02:57:14.260] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003706)  
kasi can only

**[02:57:15.200] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003707)  
access it if it's under

**[02:57:17.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003708)  
the GAA.

**[02:57:20.340] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003709)  
So, para wala na kaming

**[02:57:21.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003710)  
hihingin sa GAA, i-access na lang nila

**[02:57:23.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003711)  
yung corporate funds.

**[02:57:25.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003712)  
Kasi ang kanyang

**[02:57:26.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003713)  
ah

**[02:57:27.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003714)  
ah

**[02:57:29.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003715)  
categories contingency fund eh.

**[02:57:33.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003716)  
8 billion

**[02:57:33.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003717)  
contingency fund.

**[02:57:43.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003718)  
But

**[02:57:44.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003719)  
contingency fund siya?

**[02:57:46.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003720)  
It's already in a capital outlay. Parang baka

**[02:57:48.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003721)  
baka hindi lang updated sa

**[02:57:50.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003722)  
Ah, okay.

**[02:57:51.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003723)  
Yes. It's already in a capital

**[02:57:53.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003724)  
outlay of PNOC.

**[02:57:55.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003725)  
Tama ba?

**[02:57:56.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003726)  
Not by me?

**[02:57:59.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003727)  
Sorry.

**[02:58:01.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003728)  
Hindi, pero nasa

**[02:58:02.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003729)  
Capital outlay.

**[02:58:05.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003730)  
Capital outlay pa rin yung

**[02:58:07.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003731)  
object niya. Pero

**[02:58:08.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003732)  
contingency fund will work.

**[02:58:11.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003733)  
Okay.

**[02:58:12.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003734)  
Okay.

**[02:58:15.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003735)  
Bakit contingency fund?

**[02:58:17.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003736)  
What are we

**[02:58:18.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003737)  
preparing for?

**[02:58:21.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003738)  
Diba? Contingency ko.

**[02:58:22.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003739)  
So,

**[02:58:22.900] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003740)  
capital outlay siya sir, under capital outlay?

**[02:58:29.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003741)  
Okay. Hindi, dapat investment siya, hindi siya contingency.

**[02:58:32.300] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003742)  
Investment outlay yung object niya.

**[02:58:33.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003743)  
Okay.

**[02:58:35.080] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003744)  
Madam Chair, ah, hindi na po siya kasi, ah,

**[02:58:37.620] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003745)  
contingency fund, nasa NEP level na po siya.

**[02:58:40.840] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003746)  
So, ah, baka luma pa po yung nakalagay po diyan, ah,

**[02:58:45.780] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003747)  
ah, Mr. Senate President.

**[02:58:47.460] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003748)  
So, hindi, kasi nasa capital outlay siya. So, bibili ka ng asset, diba?

**[02:58:52.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003749)  
Ayun pa.

**[02:58:52.460] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003750)  
So, bakit siyang contingency ang kanyang category?

**[02:58:56.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003751)  
Eh, hindi na?

**[02:58:57.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003752)  
Hindi na siya contingency.

**[02:58:58.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003753)  
Ah, okay.

**[02:58:58.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003754)  
So, bibili tayo ng asset, ah, and that, those are the tanks.

**[02:59:03.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003755)  
Tama?

**[02:59:03.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003756)  
We are, we're, we're spending 8 billion to build tanks in the PNOC facility.

**[02:59:10.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003757)  
Yes, Madam Chair.

**[02:59:11.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003758)  
So, ah, tanks, the port, everything else that's needed.

**[02:59:14.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003759)  
And how many, ah, barrels of oil are we thinking of holding?

**[02:59:21.300] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003760)  
Um, initially po, um, Madam Chair, diyan po sa, ah, 8 billion,

**[02:59:26.080] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003761)  
makakagawa po tayo ng 1 million barrels po.

**[02:59:28.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003762)  
1 million?

**[02:59:28.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003763)  
1 million barrels, ah, in any given time?

**[02:59:32.800] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003764)  
Ah, yes, ma'am.

**[02:59:33.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003765)  
An ang consumption natin?

**[02:59:36.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003766)  
So, nga, ba 200?

**[02:59:38.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003767)  
Ma 200?

**[02:59:39.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003768)  
300?

**[02:59:42.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003769)  
200,000?

**[02:59:44.860] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003770)  
400 a day?

**[02:59:49.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003771)  
So, we're just talking about, ah, 2 days, 3 days, no?

**[02:59:54.840] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003772)  
Okay.

**[02:59:55.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-003773)  
Yes.

**[02:59:56.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003774)  
And, yeah, alam ko mahal, no?

**[02:59:58.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003775)  
I, I know it's, ah.

**[03:00:00.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003776)  
So, it's a hindi maliit na bagay yan.

**[03:00:04.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003777)  
But I'm thinking we're spending 8 billion to have an inventory of 2 days, 3 days.

**[03:00:09.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003778)  
Is that a wise decision?

**[03:00:15.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003779)  
8 billion kasi malaking amount.

**[03:00:17.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003780)  
But in oil terms, maliit yung amount.

**[03:00:19.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003781)  
So, I don't know how 2 days, 3 days worth of inventory can help.

**[03:00:24.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003782)  
Madam Chair, eventually, the private stakeholders can build it.

**[03:00:32.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003783)  
Okay.

**[03:00:34.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003784)  
We are hoping that eventually, this will give the government its own storage.

**[03:00:41.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003785)  
But we want to develop the Philippines as one of the regional hubs for oil.

**[03:00:48.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003786)  
But they come in, they can build their own tanks, or we can build a tank for them.

**[03:00:53.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003787)  
And they rent.

**[03:00:54.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003788)  
So, there are many possibilities with this project.

**[03:00:59.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003789)  
Pwede sila yung, pwede naman mag-partner si PNOC with some of the supplier countries,

**[03:01:05.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003790)  
or we can partner with MIC.

**[03:01:07.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003791)  
But what we wanted is just to prove a concept that we can do it in the Philippines

**[03:01:12.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003792)  
and we can develop more because PNOC has the area naman in Bataan.

**[03:01:20.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003793)  
Thank you for that.

**[03:01:21.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003794)  
But submit na lang kasi we've been talking about this.

**[03:01:24.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003795)  
Strategic Petroleum Reserve or Reserve for a very long time.

**[03:01:28.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003796)  
And medyo nabulaga tayo nung Iran conflict.

**[03:01:31.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003797)  
And now, I can see that we're doing some concrete actions to build actual tanks this coming year.

**[03:01:39.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003798)  
This coming 2027.

**[03:01:40.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003799)  
The target of Chico is 2020, ano?

**[03:01:46.400] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003800)  
June 30, 2028.

**[03:01:48.160] PNOC President and CEO Franz Josef George E. Alvarez** (asr-003801)  
At least one tank by the end of next year po.

**[03:01:50.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003802)  
So, just submit to us a write-up.

**[03:01:54.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003803)  
A concept paper on this Strategic Petroleum Reserve that will be built by PNOC.

**[03:02:05.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003804)  
Lastly, sa PNOC, gusto ko lang mag...

**[03:02:11.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003805)  
I just want to commend PNOC.

**[03:02:13.460] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003806)  
Then finally, yung RC na parang limang...

**[03:02:18.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003807)  
Chairperson P, parang six years ako naging chairman ng energy family.

**[03:02:24.560] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003808)  
At parati kong sinasabi, itong PNOC, RC, i-wind down na dahil nalulugi.

**[03:02:30.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003809)  
After six years, nangyari na rin.

**[03:02:34.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003810)  
So, but I would like to commend PNOC for moving for that.

**[03:02:39.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003811)  
Sayang eh. Sayang yung pera.

**[03:02:41.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003812)  
We're losing 200, 300 million a year.

**[03:02:44.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003813)  
Sayang yung pera.

**[03:02:46.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003814)  
So, with that, I'll yield to our chairperson, our chairman, Chairman JV Ejercito.

**[03:02:54.560] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003815)  
Thank you, Sir President, Madam Chair.

**[03:02:58.680] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003816)  
Anyway, I'm here, of course, to...

**[03:03:00.780] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003817)  
I guess all the issues were already discussed extensively.

**[03:03:07.440] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003818)  
At aputan ko naman yung issue about the reserves, which are...

**[03:03:14.700] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003819)  
I'm also interested to wait for yung inyong study or yung inyong special...

**[03:03:24.560] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003820)  
Also, yung special provision that you would need, no?

**[03:03:26.900] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003821)  
Alam ko ano kailangan ito.

**[03:03:27.940] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003822)  
So that it can...

**[03:03:29.220] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003823)  
So that the budget of the PNOC can be utilized, no?

**[03:03:33.660] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003824)  
Para magamit ito for the use of the reserve.

**[03:03:37.100] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003825)  
Yun lang siguro.

**[03:03:37.880] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003826)  
Siguro, quickly lang, Sec.

**[03:03:40.480] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003827)  
So, yung ating reserve, no?

**[03:03:41.920] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003828)  
Bago nung oil crisis, pag-usapan niya, mga 60 days ang total natin, no?

**[03:03:45.640] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003829)  
Meron.

**[03:03:46.020] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003830)  
So, with this, yung inyong pong plan, to add some more,

**[03:03:50.520] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003831)  
ilan yung magiging total natin, yung target natin in the coming year,

**[03:03:54.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003832)  
Actually, our proposal in Congress on their bill kasi is 60 plus 60.

**[03:04:03.680] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003833)  
30 plus 60.

**[03:04:05.740] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003834)  
30 sa private, 60 sa government.

**[03:04:09.240] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003835)  
That's the long-term objective.

**[03:04:13.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003836)  
If we build...

**[03:04:15.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003837)  
So, now we're asking the private na i-30 nila kasi iba niyan 15 lang eh.

**[03:04:19.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003838)  
So, gagawin na nalang 30.

**[03:04:21.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003839)  
Pumayag na sila.

**[03:04:23.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003840)  
Ang gobyerno nalang.

**[03:04:24.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003841)  
Magbibuild up.

**[03:04:25.400] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003842)  
Now, we cannot build 60 days of reserve.

**[03:04:27.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003843)  
We don't have the funds for that.

**[03:04:30.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003844)  
We will use the interest, no?

**[03:04:33.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003845)  
May interested companies na gusto nila magpatayo.

**[03:04:36.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003846)  
We will help them build their tanks here.

**[03:04:39.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003847)  
And with the condition na in case of times like the crisis,

**[03:04:44.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003848)  
there's a preferential treatment to the host country.

**[03:04:48.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003849)  
Yun yung ini-envision namin for this project.

**[03:04:51.860] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003850)  
So, we start with the...

**[03:04:54.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003851)  
2-3 days muna na sa reserve.

**[03:04:56.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003852)  
And then we'll build it up over the years once magkaroon ng funding or investors that come in.

**[03:05:04.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003853)  
So, mga 40, 50 tayo on average now.

**[03:05:09.240] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003854)  
So, hopefully, we reach double that someday.

**[03:05:12.700] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003855)  
Yes, because as you all know, we found out how important it was, no?

**[03:05:18.300] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003856)  
Especially during itong start ng Middle East conflict.

**[03:05:23.400] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003857)  
And now,

**[03:05:24.560] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003858)  
but kasi we really have to be prepared for this, no?

**[03:05:27.940] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003859)  
Hindi natin alam kung anong magiging gising na naman ni Trump kasi, no?

**[03:05:32.340] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003860)  
So, we really have to prepare for this and be...

**[03:05:37.900] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003861)  
We have to do it already.

**[03:05:39.420] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003862)  
Kaya nga kung kinakailangan natin gawin ito.

**[03:05:41.940] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003863)  
Hindi naman kaya naman agad-agad ito because we know that it entails a big amount, no?

**[03:05:49.420] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003864)  
But kung kaya natin i-multi-year ganon or at least to start,

**[03:05:54.560] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003865)  
because these are things that we really need to do, no?

**[03:05:59.040] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003866)  
So, I support yung sinabi na ating Senate President to give us so that we can review.

**[03:06:04.600] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003867)  
In the same manner, parang ano tayo lagi eh.

**[03:06:06.540] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003868)  
That, ano, talagang nag-reactive tayo lagi, no?

**[03:06:15.260] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003869)  
And the same, kakagali ko lang rin sa NIA na meron pa lang yung mga,

**[03:06:19.600] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003870)  
for example, yung pagwan-pagawa sila ng kung ano-anong ma-irrigation,

**[03:06:23.360] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003871)  
pero wala naman tayong bulk water.

**[03:06:24.560] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003872)  
Kasi kailangan natin retention, no?

**[03:06:30.080] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003873)  
During the dry days.

**[03:06:31.680] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003874)  
Hindi ginagawa.

**[03:06:32.720] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003875)  
Ngayon lang gagawin.

**[03:06:33.880] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003876)  
Dapat should have been done years ago.

**[03:06:36.280] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003877)  
So, that's in the same way that kung kahit balik,

**[03:06:39.900] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003878)  
but if we really have to do it,

**[03:06:41.960] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003879)  
if we can start on it already,

**[03:06:45.100] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003880)  
sabihin nyo lang kung next, kung 2027,

**[03:06:47.460] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003881)  
if we have to at least start the ball rolling already.

**[03:06:52.240] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003882)  
Madam Chair,

**[03:06:53.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003883)  
the good thing about this project is it will not be from GAA.

**[03:06:57.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003884)  
It will be from the corporate funds of PNOC, kaya hindi siya dagdag.

**[03:07:01.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003885)  
But at the same time, there is a huge possibility na

**[03:07:05.500] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003886)  
private investors ang papasok eventually.

**[03:07:08.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003887)  
So, we'll put it at a minimum cost to the government

**[03:07:13.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003888)  
on the national coffers, no?

**[03:07:16.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003889)  
Para hindi siya magagagastos ng government.

**[03:07:18.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003890)  
Because this is a very good commercial activity anyway

**[03:07:22.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003891)  
for those.

**[03:07:23.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003892)  
So, I'm most interested to put it here in the Philippines.

**[03:07:25.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003893)  
But yes, we have assessed as a reaction also to the Middle East, guys.

**[03:07:30.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003894)  
We are insecure in terms of our fuel,

**[03:07:34.900] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003895)  
specifically on petroleum products,

**[03:07:37.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003896)  
even on gas,

**[03:07:39.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003897)  
and on coal.

**[03:07:42.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003898)  
So, those are the three fuels na

**[03:07:44.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003899)  
we're trying to develop some kind of terminal or storage

**[03:07:48.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003900)  
so that we can have at least some security

**[03:07:53.060] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003901)  
for a certain number of days when things happen like this.

**[03:07:56.140] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003902)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[03:07:57.700] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003903)  
Thank you, Sigur.

**[03:07:58.380] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003904)  
Just two points, Madam Chair.

**[03:07:59.880] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003905)  
Yung siguro, ano lang naman,

**[03:08:02.680] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003906)  
just to give us an idea,

**[03:08:04.040] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003907)  
ilang power plants na madadagdag

**[03:08:05.360] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003908)  
bago matapos yung termino ng Presidente.

**[03:08:07.360] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003909)  
Kasi during the,

**[03:08:08.880] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003910)  
I remember during the height of the crisis,

**[03:08:10.840] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003911)  
this was this,

**[03:08:12.780] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003912)  
I mean, we discussed this earlier

**[03:08:15.260] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003913)  
in previous hearings, no?

**[03:08:17.300] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003914)  
Na 31 projects pa lang yung ginagawa

**[03:08:19.400] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003915)  
out of the 200 generation projects

**[03:08:23.060] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003916)  
that are intended to be started, no?

**[03:08:29.520] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003917)  
So, update na lang po, Sig.

**[03:08:32.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003918)  
Yes, Madam Chair.

**[03:08:34.840] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003919)  
We started with 200, no?

**[03:08:38.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003920)  
And then, where are we now?

**[03:08:57.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003932)  
About 48.

**[03:08:59.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003933)  
But we're quite confident, Madam Chair,

**[03:09:02.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003934)  
that we will complete the 200

**[03:09:03.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003935)  
before the end of this administration

**[03:09:07.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003936)  
because most of these are actually renewable energy

**[03:09:11.800] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003937)  
in a total of 10 gigawatts.

**[03:09:17.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003938)  
So, this is highly possible.

**[03:09:20.220] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003939)  
Just as an example, Madam Chair,

**[03:09:22.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003940)  
Tera Solar by itself is 3,500.

**[03:09:26.520] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003941)  
So, it will complete by next year.

**[03:09:30.620] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003942)  
So, this is very feasible, yung 10 gigawatts

**[03:09:34.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003943)  
by the end of this term, Madam Chair.

**[03:09:37.640] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003944)  
According also to NGCP,

**[03:09:39.600] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003945)  
18 power plants are operating on derated capacity

**[03:09:45.440] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003946)  
at present.

**[03:09:47.100] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003947)  
So, any updates on the rehab plans and measures

**[03:09:50.780] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003948)  
with regards to these power plants?

**[03:09:55.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003949)  
Madam Chair, hindi lang derated.

**[03:09:57.240] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003950)  
Yung iba are not working.

**[03:10:00.920] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003951)  
Hence, for the problem in Visayas,

**[03:10:03.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003952)  
there are currently,

**[03:10:04.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003953)  
there are about six plants,

**[03:10:07.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003954)  
big plants,

**[03:10:08.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003955)  
that are still under repair.

**[03:10:10.960] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003956)  
And we have already set out a schedule

**[03:10:13.360] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003957)  
kung kailan sila babalik.

**[03:10:14.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003958)  
The latest return,

**[03:10:16.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003959)  
the last plan to return is November 27.

**[03:10:19.380] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003960)  
And that's very,

**[03:10:20.820] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003961)  
very critical for Visayas and Mindanao.

**[03:10:23.120] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003962)  
So, we are,

**[03:10:26.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003963)  
ERC is doing its monitoring and policing also.

**[03:10:29.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003964)  
They can discuss that.

**[03:10:30.680] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003965)  
But on the side of DOE,

**[03:10:33.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003966)  
we are currently monitoring,

**[03:10:34.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003967)  
actually going around the plants

**[03:10:36.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003968)  
and as a relief

**[03:10:40.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003969)  
until all the plants are back.

**[03:10:43.940] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003970)  
We are bringing in some barges

**[03:10:46.560] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003971)  
and some batteries to the area of Visayas.

**[03:10:49.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003972)  
But yes, it is true.

**[03:10:50.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003973)  
It's true that many of our plants,

**[03:10:52.640] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003974)  
it's either,

**[03:10:53.080] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003975)  
it's not just the age.

**[03:10:54.780] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003976)  
It's, I think,

**[03:10:55.700] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003977)  
it's also has to,

**[03:10:57.980] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003978)  
something to do about their maintenance and operation.

**[03:11:01.180] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003979)  
So, that,

**[03:11:03.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003980)  
because I think for the engineers,

**[03:11:07.540] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003981)  
kahit ano mang age yan,

**[03:11:09.000] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003982)  
kung well-maintained,

**[03:11:10.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003983)  
a 10% or 20% deration is not really,

**[03:11:14.280] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003984)  
should not happen.

**[03:11:15.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003985)  
So, we're investigating and monitoring.

**[03:11:18.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003986)  
But yes,

**[03:11:19.420] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003987)  
this is still reactive.

**[03:11:20.600] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003988)  
In that sense,

**[03:11:22.100] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-003989)  
Madam Chair.

**[03:11:24.000] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003990)  
Okay, thank you.

**[03:11:25.000] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003991)  
Guys, that's about it.

**[03:11:26.460] Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito** (asr-003992)  
Madam Chair.

**[03:11:28.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003993)  
Chair,

**[03:11:28.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003994)  
I just have a few questions to ERC.

**[03:11:31.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003995)  
I think,

**[03:11:32.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003996)  
just to follow up lang questions.

**[03:11:36.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003997)  
To ERC,

**[03:11:37.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003998)  
yung RCOA natin,

**[03:11:39.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-003999)  
right now,

**[03:11:41.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004000)  
we are 100 kilowatts

**[03:11:43.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004001)  
contestability.

**[03:11:46.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004002)  
So, isong plano na after

**[03:11:48.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004003)  
Chairman,

**[03:11:50.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004004)  
because ako nakikita ko isang paraan para bumaba talaga ang presyo ng kuryente sa atin is to allow us,

**[03:12:00.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004005)  
the consumers to choose our generators.

**[03:12:04.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004006)  
Ginagawa na yan sa Singapore,

**[03:12:05.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004007)  
ginagawa na yan sa UK,

**[03:12:07.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004008)  
ginagawa na yan sa Amerika.

**[03:12:10.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004009)  
So,

**[03:12:11.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004010)  
and yan talaga we bring true competition literally to the doorsteps of our household,

**[03:12:19.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004011)  
to our consumers.

**[03:12:20.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004012)  
Sila nalang pumili

**[03:12:21.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004013)  
ng kanilang generator.

**[03:12:24.120] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004014)  
I know it's a very technical

**[03:12:25.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004015)  
endeavor.

**[03:12:27.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004016)  
It's not as easy as what

**[03:12:28.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004017)  
we think.

**[03:12:30.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004018)  
But,

**[03:12:31.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004019)  
I just want to see

**[03:12:32.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004020)  
and to hear

**[03:12:33.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004021)  
kung ano bang plano natin

**[03:12:34.420] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004022)  
to

**[03:12:35.300] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004023)  
achieve true competition

**[03:12:37.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004024)  
almost to the household level.

**[03:12:43.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004025)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[03:12:44.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004026)  
As regards our

**[03:12:45.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004027)  
plans,

**[03:12:47.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004028)  
one is

**[03:12:48.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004029)  
we are

**[03:12:49.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004030)  
currently evaluating the performance of the

**[03:12:53.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004031)  
CREM

**[03:12:54.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004032)  
with the

**[03:12:55.700] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004033)  
lowering of the threshold

**[03:12:57.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004034)  
to 100 kilowatt

**[03:12:59.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004035)  
and the switch became effective

**[03:13:01.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004036)  
June 26.

**[03:13:03.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004037)  
We are also

**[03:13:04.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004038)  
at the moment

**[03:13:06.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004039)  
drafting

**[03:13:09.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004040)  
the roadmap

**[03:13:11.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004041)  
so we can

**[03:13:13.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004042)  
provide guidance

**[03:13:15.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004043)  
to the entire industry

**[03:13:16.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004044)  
as to

**[03:13:18.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004045)  
what will happen

**[03:13:20.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004046)  
after the 100 kilowatt threshold

**[03:13:24.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004047)  
has commenced.

**[03:13:26.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004048)  
And together with that roadmap

**[03:13:29.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004049)  
would be the updating of our Omnibus retail rules.

**[03:13:34.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004050)  
And to complement the updating of our Omnibus retail rules

**[03:13:40.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004051)  
would be the rollout of the proposed CAPEX projects of our utilities.

**[03:13:49.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004055)  
Right now,

**[03:13:49.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004056)  
we're doing the rate reset

**[03:13:51.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004057)  
of the Group A

**[03:13:53.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004058)  
of

**[03:13:53.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004059)  
under the power

**[03:13:55.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004060)  
under the performance-based regulation

**[03:13:57.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004061)  
and we're seeing right now

**[03:13:59.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004062)  
the proposed CAPEX

**[03:14:00.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004063)  
of our Group A utilities

**[03:14:02.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004064)  
dealing with

**[03:14:03.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004065)  
their AMI and smart grid

**[03:14:06.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004066)  
because this will be important also

**[03:14:08.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004067)  
in

**[03:14:09.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004068)  
the implementation

**[03:14:12.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004069)  
of the

**[03:14:14.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004070)  
RCOA

**[03:14:15.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004071)  
down to the household level.

**[03:14:17.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004072)  
We have already

**[03:14:19.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004073)  
the infrastructure

**[03:14:20.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004074)  
and the metering

**[03:14:22.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004075)  
for the utilities

**[03:14:23.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004076)  
to be able to

**[03:14:25.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004077)  
accommodate

**[03:14:26.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004078)  
the increasing number

**[03:14:27.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004079)  
of contestable

**[03:14:29.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004080)  
market.

**[03:14:30.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004081)  
We're also

**[03:14:31.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004082)  
addressing

**[03:14:32.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004083)  
or looking for ways

**[03:14:34.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004084)  
to address the issue

**[03:14:36.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004085)  
of the stranded

**[03:14:37.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004086)  
contract capacities

**[03:14:39.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004087)  
of our distribution utilities

**[03:14:41.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004088)  
coupled with

**[03:14:43.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004089)  
of course

**[03:14:44.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004090)  
the

**[03:14:44.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004091)  
possible

**[03:14:45.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004092)  
increase

**[03:14:47.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004093)  
in the

**[03:14:47.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004094)  
export

**[03:14:48.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004095)  
energy

**[03:14:50.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004096)  
coming from

**[03:14:51.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004097)  
those with

**[03:14:52.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004098)  
net metering

**[03:14:53.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004099)  
and distributed

**[03:14:54.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004100)  
energy resources

**[03:14:55.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004101)  
because this may also add

**[03:14:57.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004102)  
to

**[03:14:58.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004103)  
these

**[03:14:59.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004104)  
stranded

**[03:15:00.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004105)  
contract capacities

**[03:15:02.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004106)  
of distribution utilities

**[03:15:04.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004107)  
and one

**[03:15:05.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004108)  
possible

**[03:15:07.140] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004109)  
alternative to the distribution

**[03:15:10.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004110)  
utility having to absorb

**[03:15:12.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004111)  
the export energy from the

**[03:15:14.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004112)  
self-gen and the DER

**[03:15:16.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004113)  
would be to

**[03:15:18.560] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004114)  
allow for the aggregation

**[03:15:20.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004115)  
or the purchase of this

**[03:15:22.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004116)  
export energy by third parties

**[03:15:24.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004117)  
like an

**[03:15:26.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004118)  
RES for their

**[03:15:28.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004119)  
requirements to supply

**[03:15:30.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004120)  
to their contestable market

**[03:15:32.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004121)  
and also for their RPS

**[03:15:34.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004122)  
compliance.

**[03:15:36.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004123)  
Can you give us a sneak peek of

**[03:15:38.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004124)  
that roadmap?

**[03:15:40.980] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004125)  
Like from

**[03:15:41.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004126)  
100 kilowatt this year,

**[03:15:45.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004127)  
mayroon bang

**[03:15:45.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004128)  
how much

**[03:15:49.080] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004129)  
is the reduction next year and how much

**[03:15:50.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004130)  
is the reduction the following year?

**[03:15:54.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004131)  
Kasi malaking bagay yan ngayon, mga

**[03:15:56.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004132)  
hospitals, schools, office,

**[03:15:58.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004133)  
manufacturing

**[03:16:00.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004134)  
can now choose their own

**[03:16:02.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004135)  
generator.

**[03:16:06.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004136)  
I'm getting good feedback rin.

**[03:16:08.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004137)  
Talagang nakakatulong sa negosyo.

**[03:16:11.880] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004138)  
I'm getting good feedback.

**[03:16:13.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004139)  
So, in other words,

**[03:16:14.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004140)  
if you really

**[03:16:15.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004141)  
want true competition,

**[03:16:19.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004142)  
dapat in household may capability

**[03:16:21.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004143)  
rin to choose their own generators.

**[03:16:23.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004144)  
Again, it's easier

**[03:16:25.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004145)  
said than that. Alam ko may

**[03:16:26.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004146)  
mga technicalities. That's why

**[03:16:28.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004148)  
I agree that it should be done

**[03:16:30.700] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004149)  
in a very

**[03:16:32.220] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004150)  
orderly manner,

**[03:16:36.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004151)  
technically.

**[03:16:38.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004152)  
Yes,

**[03:16:39.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004153)  
the phase in

**[03:16:41.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004154)  
that we're looking at

**[03:16:43.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004155)  
is lowering the threshold

**[03:16:45.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004156)  
further to 50 kilowatts

**[03:16:48.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004157)  
until

**[03:16:49.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004158)  
we reach the

**[03:16:51.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004159)  
household level and everyone

**[03:16:53.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004160)  
would have the right of choice

**[03:16:56.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004161)  
after that. So, we're

**[03:16:57.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004162)  
just trying to

**[03:16:58.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004163)  
firm up as the when

**[03:17:00.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004164)  
the readiness of the

**[03:17:03.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004165)  
stakeholders, of all

**[03:17:05.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004166)  
stakeholders to be able to

**[03:17:07.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004167)  
manage the switch

**[03:17:09.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004168)  
or the migration of the captive

**[03:17:11.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004169)  
customers to

**[03:17:12.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004170)  
contestable market. And it is

**[03:17:15.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004171)  
true, Madam Chair, that we're

**[03:17:17.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004172)  
looking at actual cost savings

**[03:17:19.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004173)  
by those that are able to

**[03:17:21.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004174)  
switch now. And that is

**[03:17:23.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004175)  
actually not limited to the 100

**[03:17:25.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004176)  
kilowatt. If we take into account

**[03:17:27.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004177)  
those

**[03:17:28.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004178)  
that are able to

**[03:17:30.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004179)  
aggregate and avail of the

**[03:17:32.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004180)  
retail aggregation program,

**[03:17:34.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004181)  
where even households,

**[03:17:36.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004182)  
ordinary households, if they are

**[03:17:38.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004183)  
located in a continuous area

**[03:17:41.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004184)  
or in a subdivision,

**[03:17:44.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004185)  
if they aggregate

**[03:17:46.380] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004186)  
themselves and they are

**[03:17:48.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004187)  
able to look for a

**[03:17:51.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004188)  
supplier, they are able to

**[03:17:53.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004189)  
avail of

**[03:17:55.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004190)  
much lower generation charges

**[03:17:57.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004191)  
than those

**[03:17:58.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004192)  
being offered to their

**[03:18:00.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004193)  
neighbors. Like in one case,

**[03:18:02.940] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004194)  
we've come across the average

**[03:18:05.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004195)  
generation charge of the utility

**[03:18:07.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004196)  
is at 8 pesos, but the charge

**[03:18:11.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004197)  
of the RES to these

**[03:18:14.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004198)  
households that were able to enroll

**[03:18:16.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004199)  
in the program would be at

**[03:18:18.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004200)  
around 5 pesos to 6 pesos or

**[03:18:20.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004201)  
a percentage or a discount

**[03:18:23.040] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004202)  
to the existing generation charge

**[03:18:25.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004203)  
of the utility which, by itself,

**[03:18:28.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004204)  
already cost savings for these

**[03:18:30.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004205)  
CREM or RAP

**[03:18:32.280] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004206)  
participants.

**[03:18:33.720] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004207)  
By next year, kaya na ba to 50 kilowatt

**[03:18:37.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004208)  
2027?

**[03:18:40.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004209)  
Are you looking at that possibility?

**[03:18:49.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004210)  
Yes, Madam Chair.

**[03:18:50.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004211)  
It is possible

**[03:18:52.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004212)  
because as we have seen

**[03:18:54.660] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004213)  
in the lowering

**[03:18:56.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004214)  
of the 100 kilowatt

**[03:18:58.000] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004215)  
the switch doesn't

**[03:19:00.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004216)  
happen all at once for

**[03:19:02.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004217)  
all those that will

**[03:19:03.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004218)  
be

**[03:19:05.300] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004219)  
within the threshold as we've seen.

**[03:19:10.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004220)  
The switch would

**[03:19:12.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004221)  
initially be

**[03:19:14.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004222)  
slow until there is

**[03:19:16.820] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004223)  
that experience

**[03:19:18.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004224)  
that is

**[03:19:19.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004225)  
broadcasted

**[03:19:25.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004226)  
among those that may

**[03:19:26.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004227)  
be able to

**[03:19:27.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004228)  
also participate and that will

**[03:19:29.900] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004229)  
now

**[03:19:30.460] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004230)  
increase

**[03:19:33.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004231)  
the switch

**[03:19:35.120] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004232)  
in time and as we

**[03:19:37.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004233)  
move forward since we are

**[03:19:39.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004234)  
able to address

**[03:19:41.440] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004235)  
the metering requirements

**[03:19:43.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004236)  
now with the CAPEX approvals

**[03:19:45.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004237)  
the rate resets that we're also

**[03:19:47.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004238)  
doing for the utilities

**[03:19:49.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004239)  
including the

**[03:19:51.220] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004240)  
electric cooperatives

**[03:19:53.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004241)  
by early next year they'll have

**[03:19:55.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004242)  
their new rates.

**[03:19:57.640] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004243)  
And they'll be able to

**[03:19:59.240] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004244)  
update their

**[03:20:00.980] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004245)  
metering facilities to be able

**[03:20:03.320] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004246)  
to cater to the

**[03:20:05.200] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004247)  
contestable market including

**[03:20:07.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004248)  
those that will belong to the

**[03:20:08.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004249)  
lower threshold of 50 kilowatts.

**[03:20:10.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004250)  
We'll wait na lang for that

**[03:20:13.180] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004251)  
reduction next year and

**[03:20:14.820] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004252)  
once you have that

**[03:20:16.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004253)  
roadmap, pasubmit na lang sa

**[03:20:18.160] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004254)  
committee, Chairman.

**[03:20:20.420] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004255)  
Yes, Mr. Chair.

**[03:20:21.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004256)  
Ito na open up ko na last time

**[03:20:22.780] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004257)  
yung fuel audit, no?

**[03:20:23.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004258)  
And I heard in your presentation

**[03:20:25.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004259)  
kanina that

**[03:20:26.960] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004260)  
it's part of your activity.

**[03:20:28.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004261)  
So where are we now in the

**[03:20:30.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004262)  
fuel audit?

**[03:20:33.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004263)  
After our hearing,

**[03:20:36.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004264)  
one of the hearings of the Committee

**[03:20:37.720] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004265)  
on Energy, we formed

**[03:20:39.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004266)  
an audit, fuel

**[03:20:41.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004267)  
audit TWG

**[03:20:44.480] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004268)  
within ERC headed by

**[03:20:46.360] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004269)  
our Executive Director and

**[03:20:48.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004270)  
we came out with the

**[03:20:50.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004271)  
audit procedure for how

**[03:20:52.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004272)  
we will be able to conduct

**[03:20:54.740] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004273)  
such audit and

**[03:20:56.960] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004274)  
for our audit procedure,

**[03:20:58.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004275)  
we will be doing it in batches

**[03:21:01.160] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004276)  
and we have started already

**[03:21:02.680] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004277)  
with the first batch and

**[03:21:04.840] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004278)  
the TWG is just completing

**[03:21:08.060] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004279)  
the report to be submitted

**[03:21:10.920] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004280)  
to the Commission.

**[03:21:12.080] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004281)  
And as soon as this report

**[03:21:13.880] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004282)  
is submitted, we will submit

**[03:21:15.580] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004283)  
that also to the Senate.

**[03:21:17.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004284)  
Ang resolution, there's a

**[03:21:19.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004285)  
mechanism and a resolution

**[03:21:20.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004286)  
on how to conduct.

**[03:21:22.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004287)  
Yes, Madam Chair, we have

**[03:21:23.540] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004288)  
already come out with the audit procedure.

**[03:21:26.800] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004289)  
And included in that is the data request. So our team has already identified the first batch and issued out the letters directing them to submit.

**[03:21:40.500] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004290)  
And some of those that were issued the letters already submitted so they proceeded with the audit now of those.

**[03:21:48.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004291)  
Mayroon rin ng mga corresponding penalties or fines if ever di mag-cooperate? Kasi this is a very, you'll rely on the information that they will give eh. Tama?

**[03:22:03.020] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004292)  
Yes.

**[03:22:03.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004293)  
So paano kung hindi sila magbigay ng information?

**[03:22:06.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004294)  
Next time we will make sure that they will be compelled if they will not voluntarily give these documents or we will consider,

**[03:22:16.620] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004295)  
we will not consider any.

**[03:22:18.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004296)  
Any allowable cost for those without any supporting document. So that by itself will be their penalty because they will have to absorb that later on when we do their confirmation of their pass-through charges.

**[03:22:30.340] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004297)  
So mayroon na yun, kumpleto na. May penalties, fines, mechanism, when to submit, how the audit procedures, kumpleto na yun.

**[03:22:38.340] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004298)  
Yes po. We issued that and informed the utilities of this audit procedure.

**[03:22:45.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004299)  
Okay. And also the GENCOs?

**[03:22:46.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004300)  
Yes.

**[03:22:48.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004301)  
Everyone?

**[03:22:49.180] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004302)  
Oo.

**[03:22:51.500] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004303)  
I filed a resolution to that effect, Resolution 581. So once na may movement na doon sa audit, hingi kami ng update and information.

**[03:23:03.620] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004304)  
So we want to see. Ang importante, Chairman, kung mayroon man nakita kayong discrepancy, meaning the fuel is only this much but it's passed on 2, 3, 4 times higher,

**[03:23:18.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004305)  
what will be the penalty to that?

**[03:23:22.540] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004306)  
Ano bang penalty pag ganoon?

**[03:23:25.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004307)  
First, we will disallow the cost that is not duly supported.

**[03:23:31.780] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004308)  
And second, we'll issue the show cause against the erring entity if it is the generation that is at fault that submitted their cost or supporting documents that are falsified.

**[03:23:48.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004309)  
But can they do the refund?

**[03:23:50.600] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004310)  
Yes.

**[03:23:51.240] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004311)  
And so far,

**[03:23:52.060] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004312)  
Diba?

**[03:23:52.400] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004313)  
Yes, pwede.

**[03:23:53.100] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004314)  
You can command a refund because it's the price they passed on is exorbitant.

**[03:23:57.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004315)  
Yes. Yes, SPN. We will make sure that they will refund on top of the imposition of the penalties.

**[03:24:06.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004316)  
Thank you. Thank you for that. And last question, Madam Chairperson. Ano na ang weighted average cost of capital natin, yung sa WACC?

**[03:24:18.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004317)  
Kasi that's also another way of lowering down electricity. One number has a far-reaching effect in lowering down electricity.

**[03:24:30.140] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004318)  
Matagal yan na pa ako sa mataas eh. So, because hindi nagre-reset, hindi nare-revisit, but ngayon nakita ko nagre-reset na tayo. So, how much is it right now? What is it?

**[03:24:41.260] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004319)  
Yes, the last, before we were able to finally complete one rate reset for Group A.

**[03:24:48.860] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004320)  
Just a few weeks ago, we, the WACC that was being implemented based on the last rate reset set more than a decade ago was 14.57.

**[03:25:01.760] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004321)  
But in our last decision for one of the Group A DUs, the WACC that we approved was only 13.79.

**[03:25:13.640] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004322)  
Pagkaunti lang binawas, dapat single digit na yan.

**[03:25:18.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004323)  
It reflects the current cost. It reflects the current cost of capital we have now.

**[03:25:31.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004324)  
Because that's a factor on what return do we give, what return the government allows the utility to make.

**[03:25:38.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004325)  
So, dapat reasonable lang naman. Dapat may return sila, but it should be reasonable within the market range.

**[03:25:48.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004326)  
Yes, Madam Chair. It is within the market range, except that in the past few months, we've seen interest rates go up and also the cost of capital for equity brought about by a lot of the uncertainties and risks that the investors...

**[03:26:09.600] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004327)  
I hope na umabot yan to single digit. Andito yung mga commissioners natin.

**[03:26:14.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004328)  
So, kompleto ba yung mga commissioners?

**[03:26:18.520] ERC Chairperson and CEO Francis Saturnino C. Juan** (asr-004329)  
One who's on sick leave.

**[03:26:21.760] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004330)  
Ako yung usap ko, mapababain natin to single digit.

**[03:26:26.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004331)  
Tingin ko kaya.

**[03:26:28.680] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004332)  
If you talk about T-bills, that's 4-5%.

**[03:26:33.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004333)  
Country risk, about 7, maybe another 2-3%.

**[03:26:38.040] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004334)  
So, that's about 8%.

**[03:26:40.360] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004335)  
Sabihin mo ng Philippines has more risk, so about 9%.

**[03:26:45.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004336)  
So, I think kaya.

**[03:26:48.520] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004337)  
I think kaya.

**[03:26:50.000] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004338)  
So, just put that on the table para pag-aralan lang ng regulator.

**[03:26:55.940] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004339)  
Because that's one of the fastest way to lower down electricity rates.

**[03:27:01.840] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004340)  
Madam Chair.

**[03:27:02.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004341)  
Thank you.

**[03:27:02.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004342)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[03:27:04.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004343)  
Thank you for the opportunity to propound questions.

**[03:27:07.900] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004344)  
Thank you.

**[03:27:08.200] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004345)  
Thank you, Mr. Senate President, for being here because I need your help with the budgetary support.

**[03:27:18.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004346)  
So, you have the energy sector needs.

**[03:27:21.040] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004347)  
So, on that note, everyone, I know with the crisis, you have somehow been in survival mode.

**[03:27:28.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004348)  
But I want to take the opportunity to thank you and congratulate you for navigating.

**[03:27:38.240] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004349)  
May kuryente pa naman tayo.

**[03:27:39.600] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004350)  
But of course, the goal is to really make it 24-7.

**[03:27:44.160] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004351)  
Even without the energy crisis, they have their...

**[03:27:48.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004352)  
were challenges.

**[03:27:50.260] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004353)  
But I would be remiss in my

**[03:27:52.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004354)  
job as

**[03:27:53.820] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004355)  
the chairman of the committee on sustainable

**[03:27:56.260] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004356)  
development goals, innovation, and futures

**[03:27:58.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004357)  
thinking if I don't

**[03:28:00.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004358)  
bring up and emphasize

**[03:28:01.860] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004359)  
and end this hearing on

**[03:28:04.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004360)  
an SDG note. And

**[03:28:05.980] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004361)  
SDG 7 is

**[03:28:07.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004362)  
mag-exam ba ako? Mag-quiz ba

**[03:28:10.340] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004363)  
ako? Kung alam nyo kung ano yun, ha?

**[03:28:12.080] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004364)  
Clean and affordable energy.

**[03:28:14.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004365)  
So SDG 7 is clean and

**[03:28:16.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004366)  
affordable energy, everyone.

**[03:28:17.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004367)  
And I think we are on track

**[03:28:20.100] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004368)  
for the clean, no?

**[03:28:22.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004369)  
So congratulations

**[03:28:23.600] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004370)  
for that. I mean, it's not just something

**[03:28:25.860] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004371)  
atin lang kasi the same

**[03:28:27.780] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004372)  
way we're so affected by what happens

**[03:28:29.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004373)  
globally, yun nga yung pagbabaan ng presyo

**[03:28:31.620] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004374)  
ng battery, ng solar,

**[03:28:34.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004375)  
we benefit

**[03:28:35.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004376)  
from it. So dapat pababain pa

**[03:28:37.340] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004377)  
natin to the consumer.

**[03:28:39.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004378)  
Pero yung affordable,

**[03:28:42.800] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004379)  
medyo dyan

**[03:28:43.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004380)  
pa tayo pwedeng

**[03:28:44.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004381)  
mag-improve

**[03:28:46.620] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004382)  
kasi yung mix,

**[03:28:47.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004383)  
nga natin, it's not purely

**[03:28:49.460] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004384)  
renewable. If it was purely renewable, then

**[03:28:51.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004385)  
we're on track for clean and affordable,

**[03:28:53.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004386)  
correct? But it is not purely

**[03:28:55.560] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004387)  
renewable. We still have 62%

**[03:28:57.400] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004388)  
of coal. So

**[03:28:59.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004389)  
and then the remaining balance

**[03:29:01.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004390)  
is, what, mga 17%

**[03:29:03.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004391)  
of others. So we can still

**[03:29:05.620] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004392)  
improve on that.

**[03:29:11.340] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004393)  
For energy security, it's not enough

**[03:29:13.680] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004394)  
that we are in survival mode, no?

**[03:29:15.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004395)  
We have to really look into the future.

**[03:29:17.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004396)  
And I need us to see

**[03:29:19.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004397)  
and I'd like you to submit this to me.

**[03:29:21.260] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004398)  
Nothing fancy,

**[03:29:22.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004399)  
because you do have the energy plan.

**[03:29:25.720] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004400)  
10, 20, 30,

**[03:29:27.540] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004401)  
50 years, because if you haven't

**[03:29:29.120] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004402)  
heard me say this before,

**[03:29:31.080] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004403)  
there are countries that have a plan

**[03:29:33.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004404)  
for seven generations

**[03:29:35.340] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004405)  
to come.

**[03:29:37.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004406)  
So kahit hindi naman siguro seven generations,

**[03:29:39.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004407)  
kahit two to three,

**[03:29:40.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004408)  
hindi na talaga natin naabutan yun, but siguro

**[03:29:43.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004409)  
that's what our grandchildren,

**[03:29:44.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004410)  
something like that.

**[03:29:47.180] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004411)  
It's being done.

**[03:29:48.280] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004412)  
So it's not something I'm inventing.

**[03:29:51.220] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004413)  
That is a practice of countries that

**[03:29:53.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004414)  
are truly

**[03:29:54.080] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004415)  
future-proofing their country.

**[03:29:57.920] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004416)  
So

**[03:30:00.000] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004417)  
By investing in long-term security, then we'll have to make tough decisions. That's for sure. And we'll have to allocate limited funds. That's also sure that limited lang yung funds natin. But these are for the programs that will ensure that the average Filipino has, again, access to clean and affordable energy.

**[03:30:19.760] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004418)  
So, on that note, Mr. President, I am happy to [unclear] siguro, no? Wala nang? Yes, Secretary.

**[03:30:30.240] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004419)  
Before you wrap up, I know we have sent a letter with all the possible requests for funding. This includes the system loss for NEA and all that.

**[03:30:43.660] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004420)  
But as a priority, Madam Chair, we would rather have?

**[03:30:49.760] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004421)  
If there's available funding, then that the increase in the ERC funding be done.

**[03:30:56.580] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004422)  
Because sila yung kailangan nila ng faster resolution of all the issues will help also.

**[03:31:04.480] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004423)  
That's the 720 million. We noted that.

**[03:31:07.060] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004424)  
Yun lang yung…

**[03:31:07.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004425)  
And kayang-kaya ni SP yan, saka ni Chairman.

**[03:31:11.880] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004426)  
We'll give way to them first. Kung may natirapay, then we can request.

**[03:31:18.380] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004427)  
Quick question lang.

**[03:31:19.280] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004428)  
Yung system loss, non-technical yun sa NEA?

**[03:31:22.320] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004429)  
Non-technical, yeah.

**[03:31:23.320] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004430)  
Non-technical. And so, the concept, gobyerno mag-absorb yung non-technical?

**[03:31:29.400] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004431)  
Saka pa-absorb rin ng private sector sa atin, private DU sa atin.

**[03:31:34.740] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004432)  
Libre nga.

**[03:31:36.040] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004433)  
SP, the non-technical system loss fund request was to add up to the equity loan facility of NEA

**[03:31:45.600] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004434)  
to extend loans to electric cooperatives.

**[03:31:49.280] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004435)  
Hindi po subsidy yun. Yun po ay pandagdag sa equity loan namin para maipautang namin sa mga electric cooperatives

**[03:31:58.300] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004436)  
to upgrade their facilities mainly on their metering requirements.

**[03:32:06.040] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004437)  
So, we found it palatable na hindi po namin ibibigay as a subsidy.

**[03:32:10.800] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004438)  
Pautangin po nila as their CAPEX requirement to upgrade their facility para mawala ho yung non-technical system loss.

**[03:32:18.200] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004439)  
Non-technical yun.

**[03:32:18.640] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004440)  
Sa non-technical po.

**[03:32:20.580] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004441)  
Non-technical is pilferage, di ba?

**[03:32:22.660] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004442)  
Well, nung previous hearings po, prinisinta namin, meron po kasi kaming isang case in point na isang electric cooperative

**[03:32:33.080] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004443)  
na napakataas ng system loss, total system loss.

**[03:32:37.460] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004444)  
And we identified po, much of that is non-technical pilferage.

**[03:32:41.460] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004445)  
I am talking about referring to Zamboanga City Electric Cooperative.

**[03:32:44.660] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004446)  
So, when we implemented it,

**[03:32:48.640] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004447)  
a pilot plan from January to July, from 23%, we brought it down to 13%.

**[03:32:56.700] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004448)  
Ang ginawa lang ho namin, hinanap lang ho namin yung walang metro at saka yung mga koneksyon na iligal, minetrohan ho namin.

**[03:33:05.180] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004449)  
So, the same formula po, yun ang gagawin ho namin sa mga ibang electric cooperative.

**[03:33:10.660] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004450)  
Pilferage, in other words, lalagyan ng metro para magbayad.

**[03:33:15.560] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004451)  
Opo.

**[03:33:15.820] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004452)  
Opo.

**[03:33:16.260] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004453)  
Okay.

**[03:33:17.480] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004454)  
Ganun kasimple lang.

**[03:33:18.400] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004455)  
Ganun.

**[03:33:18.640] NEA Administrator Antonio Mariano C. Almeda** (asr-004456)  
Ganun kasimple lang.

**[03:33:19.440] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004457)  
Okay.

**[03:33:19.800] Senator Sherwin "Win" T. Gatchalian** (asr-004458)  
Thank you.

**[03:33:20.300] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004459)  
Thank you, Madam Chair.

**[03:33:21.140] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004460)  
Madam Chair, on your comment on the future proofing, we can submit, other than the Philippine

**[03:33:30.460] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004461)  
energy plan, we also have recently finished the fuel transition plan that will give us

**[03:33:38.020] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004462)  
energy security in a sense na less dependence in petroleum products.

**[03:33:42.040] DOE Secretary Sharon S. Garin** (asr-004463)  
So, we'll submit it to your office also.

**[03:33:45.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004464)  
Thank you.

**[03:33:46.500] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004465)  
So, with no more questions.

**[03:33:48.640] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004466)  
The budget of DOE and its attached corporations and the ERC are deemed submitted to plenary

**[03:33:55.320] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004467)  
subject to, of course, any of our colleagues, if they have questions, we'll facilitate so

**[03:34:01.080] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004468)  
you can provide answers to them.

**[03:34:03.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004469)  
So, on that note, congratulations, everyone.

**[03:34:05.700] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004470)  
Be ready for the plenary.

**[03:34:09.360] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004471)  
Dahil ako na yung sasagot doon.

**[03:34:10.740] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004472)  
So, be ready na ready ako.

**[03:34:12.660] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004473)  
Thank you.

**[03:34:13.380] Senator Pia S. Cayetano** (asr-004474)  
Thank you, Mr. President.