# House Committee on Appropriations: DOJ Part 1 - August 24, 2026

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e7AbUQ8f3k

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**[00:00:58.450] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000001)  
and the resource persons present today.

**[00:01:01.310] Committee Secretary** (asr-000002)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, Your Honors.

**[00:01:05.940] Committee Secretary** (asr-000003)  
May we acknowledge the following members.

**[00:01:08.420] Committee Secretary** (asr-000004)  
We have Vice Chair Keith Micah "Mike" Tan,

**[00:01:11.400] Committee Secretary** (asr-000005)  
Vice Chair Gerryboy Espina,

**[00:01:16.200] Committee Secretary** (asr-000006)  
Vice Chair Francisco Matugas,

**[00:01:20.800] Committee Secretary** (asr-000007)  
Representative Solomon Chungalao,

**[00:01:23.660] Committee Secretary** (asr-000008)  
Representative John J.P. Padernos,

**[00:01:26.820] Committee Secretary** (asr-000009)  
Representative Henry Oaminal,

**[00:01:28.700] Committee Secretary** (asr-000010)  
Representative Dada Kiram Ismula,

**[00:01:34.220] Committee Secretary** (asr-000011)  
Representative Chel Diokno,

**[00:01:37.040] Committee Secretary** (asr-000012)  
Representative Reynante Michael Tan,

**[00:01:39.780] Committee Secretary** (asr-000013)  
Representative Stephen James Tan.

**[00:01:43.680] Committee Secretary** (asr-000014)  
May we also acknowledge our guests from the Department of Justice.

**[00:01:48.740] Committee Secretary** (asr-000015)  
We have Secretary Fredderick A. Vida,

**[00:01:51.900] Committee Secretary** (asr-000016)  
Undersecretary Garney Candelaria,

**[00:01:55.700] Committee Secretary** (asr-000017)  
Undersecretary Ian Norman Dato,

**[00:01:58.700] Committee Secretary** (asr-000018)  
Undersecretary Majken Anika Gran-Ong,

**[00:02:04.020] Committee Secretary** (asr-000019)  
Undersecretary Margarita Gutierrez,

**[00:02:07.720] Committee Secretary** (asr-000020)  
Undersecretary Deo Marco,

**[00:02:10.800] Committee Secretary** (asr-000021)  
Undersecretary Nicholas Felix Ty,

**[00:02:14.760] Committee Secretary** (asr-000022)  
Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon,

**[00:02:19.380] Committee Secretary** (asr-000023)  
Chief State Counsel Dennis Arvin Chan,

**[00:02:23.900] Committee Secretary** (asr-000024)  
Assistant Secretary Jose Marino Bernardez of the Witness Protection Program,

**[00:02:28.700] Committee Secretary** (asr-000025)  
Executive Director Hannah Lizette Manalili from the Inter-Agency Council Against Trafficking,

**[00:02:37.320] Committee Secretary** (asr-000026)  
Chairman Miguel Gudio Jr. from the Board of Claims,

**[00:02:42.560] Committee Secretary** (asr-000027)  
Director General Gregorio Pio Catapang Jr. from the Bureau of Corrections,

**[00:02:49.580] Committee Secretary** (asr-000028)  
from the Bureau of Immigration, Commissioner Joel Anthony Viado,

**[00:02:54.120] Committee Secretary** (asr-000029)  
from the Land Registration Authority Administrator,

**[00:02:58.700] Committee Secretary** (asr-000030)  
Gerardo Sirios,

**[00:03:02.600] Committee Secretary** (asr-000031)  
National Bureau of Investigation Director Melvin Matibag,

**[00:03:09.100] Committee Secretary** (asr-000032)  
Executive Director Jose Maria Palaganas,

**[00:03:12.660] Committee Secretary** (asr-000033)  
from the Office for Alternative Dispute Resolution,

**[00:03:16.600] Committee Secretary** (asr-000034)  
Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz,

**[00:03:20.340] Committee Secretary** (asr-000035)  
Assistant Secretary Jose Arturo Malvar,

**[00:03:24.480] Committee Secretary** (asr-000036)  
Assistant Secretary Shanon Christopher Gaerlan,

**[00:03:28.380] Committee Secretary** (asr-000037)  
Assistant Secretary Robert Nomar,

**[00:03:31.520] Committee Secretary** (asr-000038)  
Leyretana,

**[00:03:33.820] Committee Secretary** (asr-000039)  
Assistant Secretary Maria Elisa Germar,

**[00:03:39.640] Committee Secretary** (asr-000040)  
from the Office of the Government Corporate Counsel,

**[00:03:42.620] Committee Secretary** (asr-000041)  
Government Corporate Counsel Solomon Hermosura,

**[00:03:47.060] Committee Secretary** (asr-000042)  
Office of the Solicitor General,

**[00:03:48.760] Committee Secretary** (asr-000043)  
Solicitor General Darlene Marie Berberabe,

**[00:03:52.720] Committee Secretary** (asr-000044)  
Administrator Bienvenido Benitez Jr. from the Parole and Probation Administration,

**[00:03:59.060] Committee Secretary** (asr-000045)  
Chairperson Melchor Quirino Sadang,

**[00:04:01.840] Committee Secretary** (asr-000046)  
Presidential Commission on Good Government,

**[00:04:04.200] Committee Secretary** (asr-000047)  
Assistant Secretary Maria Charina Dy Po,

**[00:04:10.000] Committee Secretary** (asr-000048)  
and Chief Public Attorney Persida V. Rueda-Acosta from the Public Attorney's Office.

**[00:04:16.960] Committee Secretary** (asr-000049)  
That's all.

**[00:04:17.620] Committee Secretary** (asr-000050)  
Thank you.

**[00:04:18.500] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000051)  
Thank you.

**[00:04:19.860] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000052)  
Honorable members, distinguished colleagues and esteemed guests, good afternoon.

**[00:04:25.800] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000053)  
We welcome our guests from the Department of Justice,

**[00:04:28.660] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000054)  
led by Secretary Fredderick A. Vida,

**[00:04:30.980] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000055)  
together with the heads of its attached agencies.

**[00:04:33.480] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000056)  
Today, we deliberate on the proposed

**[00:04:35.520] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000057)  
budget of the Department of Justice

**[00:04:37.160] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000058)  
and its attached agencies for fiscal year 2027

**[00:04:41.000] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000059)  
with a total obligation budget of 46.435 billion pesos,

**[00:04:47.360] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000060)  
inclusive of automatic appropriations.

**[00:04:50.740] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000061)  
This represents only 0.68% of the 7.2 trillion peso national budget

**[00:04:56.560] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000062)  
and is about 2% higher than the previous budget.

**[00:05:01.840] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000063)  
In 2025, the DOJ recorded important operational gains.

**[00:05:05.520] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000064)  
The National Prosecution Service handled 428,779 cases and disposed or resolved 395,780, a 99.12% disposition rate, while the prosecution success rate improved to 90.84%. The NBI also conducted 56,212 investigations

**[00:05:31.120] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000065)  
and processed 6.62 million clearance applications.

**[00:05:36.320] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000066)  
While the PCGG reported about 1.57 billion pesos in recoveries

**[00:05:41.460] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000067)  
and income from surrendered or sequestered assets.

**[00:05:46.660] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000068)  
These gains, however, must be sustained amid significant resource pressures.

**[00:05:51.840] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000069)  
Under the fiscal year 2027 NEP,

**[00:05:54.600] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000070)  
the Bureau of Immigration budget is reduced by 35.8%,

**[00:05:58.840] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000071)  
the NBI by 22.3%,

**[00:06:01.740] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000072)  
and the Office for Alternative Dispute Resolution,

**[00:06:05.520] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000073)  
by 16.3%.

**[00:06:07.220] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000074)  
In DOJ OSEC,

**[00:06:10.940] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000075)  
funding for the

**[00:06:11.900] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000076)  
Special Enforcement and Protection Subprogram

**[00:06:14.720] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000077)  
is reduced by almost half,

**[00:06:17.100] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000078)  
including lower allocations for anti-trafficking,

**[00:06:19.940] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000079)  
anti-cybercrime,

**[00:06:21.420] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000080)  
and OSAEC-CSAEM.

**[00:06:23.860] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000081)  
The corrections program also faces a 21.05% reduction,

**[00:06:28.540] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000082)  
including a cut in victims' compensation services

**[00:06:31.900] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000083)  
from 19 million to 8 million pesos.

**[00:06:35.520] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000084)  
At the same time,

**[00:06:36.860] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000085)  
68.32% of the Department's

**[00:06:40.720] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000086)  
fiscal year 2027 budget is for

**[00:06:42.780] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000087)  
personal services,

**[00:06:44.500] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000088)  
while leaving 24.42% for MOOE

**[00:06:48.280] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000089)  
and only 7.26% for capital outlay.

**[00:06:53.300] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000090)  
The Committee must therefore determine

**[00:06:54.880] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000091)  
whether the proposed budget can preserve

**[00:06:56.920] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000092)  
the DOJ's 2025 gains

**[00:06:58.940] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000093)  
while addressing heavy caseloads,

**[00:07:02.920] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000094)  
prison decongestion,

**[00:07:04.360] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000095)  
border control,

**[00:07:05.020] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000096)  
investigative capacity,

**[00:07:06.440] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000097)  
cybercrime and trafficking,

**[00:07:08.880] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000098)  
victim compensation,

**[00:07:10.180] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000099)  
and access to justice.

**[00:07:11.400] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000100)  
We look forward to the Department's

**[00:07:12.760] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000101)  
clarification of these challenges,

**[00:07:14.240] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000102)  
its priorities for fiscal year 2027,

**[00:07:17.280] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000103)  
and the measurable results

**[00:07:18.800] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000104)  
it expects to deliver

**[00:07:20.460] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000105)  
with the resources proposed.

**[00:07:23.140] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000106)  
Thank you po.

**[00:07:24.960] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000107)  
Secretary Vida,

**[00:07:26.760] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000108)  
you may now proceed with your presentation po.

**[00:07:28.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000109)  
Thank you very much.

**[00:07:32.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000110)  
With your permission,

**[00:07:35.060] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000111)  
Congressman Mike Tan,

**[00:07:37.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000112)  
thank you very much.

**[00:07:39.780] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000113)  
May I proceed?

**[00:07:40.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000114)  
Good afternoon,

**[00:07:41.600] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000115)  
honorable members of the Committee.

**[00:07:44.940] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000116)  
On behalf of the entire DOJ family,

**[00:07:47.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000117)  
I am pleased to present to you

**[00:07:49.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000118)  
the proposed budget

**[00:07:50.860] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000119)  
for fiscal year 2027

**[00:07:53.100] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000120)  
of the Department of Justice,

**[00:07:55.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000121)  
including that of its constituent

**[00:07:57.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000122)  
and attached agencies.

**[00:07:59.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000123)  
This is based on the President's budget

**[00:08:01.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000124)  
or the National Expenditure Program.

**[00:08:04.620] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000125)  
With me today are my undersecretaries,

**[00:08:06.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000126)  
and Assistant Secretaries.

**[00:08:07.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000127)  
and Assistant Secretaries.

**[00:08:08.980] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000128)  
And as earlier mentioned,

**[00:08:10.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000129)  
all of the heads of agencies

**[00:08:12.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000130)  
and their relevant officers

**[00:08:14.020] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000131)  
and personnel are available.

**[00:08:16.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000132)  
These are here this afternoon

**[00:08:18.140] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000133)  
to provide answers or details

**[00:08:20.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000134)  
on any query

**[00:08:21.420] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000135)  
that the members of the Committee may raise.

**[00:08:25.300] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000136)  
The 10 agencies

**[00:08:26.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000137)  
under the Department of Justice

**[00:08:30.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000138)  
are one,

**[00:08:31.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000139)  
the Office of the Solicitor General,

**[00:08:34.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000140)  
second,

**[00:08:35.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000141)  
the Bureau of Corrections,

**[00:08:37.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000142)  
the Bureau of Immigration,

**[00:08:39.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000143)  
the Land Registration Authority,

**[00:08:42.380] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000144)  
the National Bureau of Investigation,

**[00:08:45.060] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000145)  
the Office of the Government Corporate Counsel,

**[00:08:48.500] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000146)  
the Parole and Probation Administration,

**[00:08:51.820] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000147)  
the Presidential Commission on Good Government,

**[00:08:55.540] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000148)  
the Public Attorney's Office,

**[00:08:57.680] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000149)  
and the Office for Alternative Dispute Resolution.

**[00:09:01.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000150)  
With your permission,

**[00:09:02.660] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000151)  
your honors,

**[00:09:03.820] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000152)  
my colleague,

**[00:09:05.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000153)  
Undersecretary Majken Anika

**[00:09:07.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000154)  
S. Gran-Ong, will continue with our presentation.

**[00:09:12.080] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000155)  
You may proceed, Usec.

**[00:09:15.250] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000156)  
Good afternoon.

**[00:09:16.990] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000157)  
The Department's overarching framework

**[00:09:19.510] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000158)  
is defined by its core mandate

**[00:09:21.850] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000159)  
to uphold the rule of law

**[00:09:23.630] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000160)  
and serve as the Department's principal law agency.

**[00:09:27.330] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000161)  
In pursuit of its vision

**[00:09:28.870] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000162)  
to foster a just and peaceful society

**[00:09:31.810] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000163)  
rooted in transparency,

**[00:09:33.970] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000164)  
accountability,

**[00:09:35.210] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000165)  
fairness, and truth,

**[00:09:36.190] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000166)  
the Department executes its mission,

**[00:09:38.790] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000167)  
by delivering an effective,

**[00:09:41.150] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000168)  
efficient,

**[00:09:42.150] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000169)  
and equitable administration of justice nationwide.

**[00:09:45.790] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000170)  
The Department

**[00:09:46.590] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000171)  
administers the criminal justice system

**[00:09:49.270] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000172)  
through the investigation of crimes,

**[00:09:51.870] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000173)  
the prosecution of offenders,

**[00:09:53.290] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000174)  
and the administration of the correctional system.

**[00:09:57.130] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000175)  
Beyond criminal justice,

**[00:09:59.030] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000176)  
the Department also maintains oversight

**[00:10:01.850] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000177)  
over immigration,

**[00:10:03.710] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000178)  
citizenship,

**[00:10:04.710] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000179)  
and land titling system.

**[00:10:06.870] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000180)  
Above all,

**[00:10:08.070] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000181)  
the Department,

**[00:10:08.790] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000182)  
guarantees social justice

**[00:10:10.390] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000183)  
by extending free legal assistance

**[00:10:12.690] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000184)  
to our most vulnerable

**[00:10:14.150] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000185)  
indigent citizens.

**[00:10:16.350] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000186)  
In the next few slides, we will highlight

**[00:10:18.570] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000187)  
some of the key operational accomplishments

**[00:10:20.550] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000188)  
of the Department.

**[00:10:22.350] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000189)  
The Department, through the National Prosecution

**[00:10:24.630] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000190)  
Service, or NPS,

**[00:10:26.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000191)  
consistently demonstrated

**[00:10:28.730] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000192)  
enhanced prosecutorial output

**[00:10:30.870] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000193)  
and case management efficiency

**[00:10:33.010] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000194)  
over the past five years.

**[00:10:35.670] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000195)  
More significantly,

**[00:10:37.030] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000196)  
in 2025,

**[00:10:38.790] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000197)  
the NPS handled a heavy total

**[00:10:41.070] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000198)  
caseload of

**[00:10:42.290] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000199)  
428,779

**[00:10:47.030] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000200)  
cases. By year end,

**[00:10:49.450] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000201)  
395,780

**[00:10:52.050] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000202)  
of these

**[00:10:52.670] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000203)  
were disposed and resolved,

**[00:10:55.070] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000204)  
resulting in 99.12%

**[00:10:57.570] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000205)  
of cases resolved within the

**[00:10:59.110] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000206)  
prescribed 120 days,

**[00:11:01.370] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000207)  
improving upon the 99%

**[00:11:03.530] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000208)  
accomplishment recorded in

**[00:11:05.090] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000209)  
2024. The

**[00:11:07.030] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000210)  
resolved cases include all those

**[00:11:08.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000211)  
complaints under preliminary investigation,

**[00:11:11.750] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000212)  
inquest, and motion for

**[00:11:12.970] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000213)  
reconsideration.

**[00:11:14.750] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000214)  
Turning to court dispositions,

**[00:11:16.670] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000215)  
the Department has consistently

**[00:11:19.010] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000216)  
sustained high prosecution

**[00:11:20.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000217)  
success rates, or PSR,

**[00:11:22.850] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000218)  
over the past five years.

**[00:11:25.150] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000219)  
At present, the prosecution

**[00:11:26.890] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000220)  
success rate measures the proportion

**[00:11:29.110] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000221)  
of convictions

**[00:11:30.430] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000222)  
in relation to total convictions

**[00:11:32.810] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000223)  
and acquittals. The PSR

**[00:11:35.130] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000224)  
excludes other court dispositions,

**[00:11:37.790] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000225)  
such as dismissal,

**[00:11:38.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000226)  
files, archivals, and successful

**[00:11:40.610] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000227)  
mediation. As shown in

**[00:11:42.750] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000228)  
this slide, the Department

**[00:11:44.370] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000229)  
posts an upward trajectory

**[00:11:46.690] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000230)  
in terms of PSR.

**[00:11:49.350] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000231)  
The PSR rose to

**[00:11:50.650] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000232)  
90.84% in

**[00:11:52.530] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000233)  
2025 from 90.14%

**[00:11:56.090] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000234)  
in 2024.

**[00:11:57.870] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000235)  
This performance

**[00:11:59.010] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000236)  
reflects concrete results

**[00:12:00.710] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000237)  
of the Department's institutional reforms,

**[00:12:03.510] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000238)  
especially in strengthening

**[00:12:04.730] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000239)  
pre-trial case build-up,

**[00:12:06.550] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000240)  
tightening evidence standards,

**[00:12:08.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000241)  
and adopting a proactive role

**[00:12:10.830] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000242)  
in criminal investigation.

**[00:12:13.290] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000243)  
Moving on to our

**[00:12:14.670] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000244)  
overall agency performance,

**[00:12:16.950] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000245)  
the succeeding slides show

**[00:12:18.530] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000246)  
our agency physical performance

**[00:12:20.890] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000247)  
2025

**[00:12:22.350] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000248)  
and first

**[00:12:24.810] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000249)  
semester of 2026.

**[00:12:27.070] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000250)  
Under the prosecution sub-program,

**[00:12:29.490] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000251)  
we maintained high

**[00:12:30.570] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000252)  
operational output. The

**[00:12:32.570] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000253)  
NPS attained a PSR of

**[00:12:34.630] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000254)  
90.84% in

**[00:12:36.590] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000255)  
2025, which is furthered

**[00:12:38.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000256)  
to 91.38% in the first semester

**[00:12:41.070] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000257)  
of 2026. Further, case disposition rate

**[00:12:47.230] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000258)  
remained high at 99.12% in 2025.

**[00:12:50.930] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000259)  
As of first semester, case disposition rate

**[00:12:54.170] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000260)  
has reached 97.94%, which is expected to

**[00:12:59.050] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000261)  
increase further by year-end. For our

**[00:13:02.530] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000262)  
witness protection sub-program, we achieved

**[00:13:05.110] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000263)  
a 100% success rate across all three key

**[00:13:08.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000264)  
indicators in the first semester of

**[00:13:10.750] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000265)  
2026. Further,

**[00:13:13.370] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000266)  
through our special

**[00:13:14.850] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000267)  
enforcement and protection sub

**[00:13:16.910] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000268)  
program, we have attained

**[00:13:18.730] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000269)  
95.16%

**[00:13:20.890] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000270)  
successful prosecution on

**[00:13:22.930] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000271)  
monitored cases in 2025.

**[00:13:25.330] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000272)  
As of the first semester,

**[00:13:27.030] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000273)  
responsible units have already attained

**[00:13:28.950] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000274)  
94.23%,

**[00:13:30.950] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000275)  
which is anticipated to trend

**[00:13:32.870] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000276)  
upward by year end.

**[00:13:35.470] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000277)  
The special enforcement cluster

**[00:13:37.050] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000278)  
reported an improvement

**[00:13:38.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000279)  
completion rate of

**[00:13:40.950] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000280)  
95.76%

**[00:13:43.530] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000281)  
as of the first semester,

**[00:13:45.050] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000282)  
a slight increase

**[00:13:46.550] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000283)  
from 95.34%

**[00:13:49.170] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000284)  
in 2025.

**[00:13:51.290] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000285)  
Under our corrections

**[00:13:53.110] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000286)  
program, the agency

**[00:13:54.990] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000287)  
has issued 100% of

**[00:13:57.050] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000288)  
parole and executive clemency

**[00:13:58.850] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000289)  
resolutions in 2025

**[00:14:00.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000290)  
and in the first half of 2026.

**[00:14:04.270] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000291)  
Similarly,

**[00:14:05.370] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000292)  
all applications and requests

**[00:14:07.050] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000293)  
for victim compensation

**[00:14:08.490] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000294)  
claims in 2025

**[00:14:09.930] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000295)  
and the first half of 2026

**[00:14:12.710] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000296)  
were acted upon during the period.

**[00:14:14.830] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000297)  
The legal services program

**[00:14:16.870] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000298)  
recorded an improved efficiency

**[00:14:18.970] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000299)  
rate, attaining

**[00:14:20.550] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000300)  
99.12% of legal

**[00:14:22.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000301)  
service requests acted upon

**[00:14:24.890] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000302)  
in the first semester of this year,

**[00:14:26.990] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000303)  
an increase from 99.05%

**[00:14:30.550] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000304)  
in 2025.

**[00:14:32.590] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000305)  
Relative to our law enforcement

**[00:14:34.690] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000306)  
services, the National Bureau

**[00:14:36.830] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000307)  
of Investigation conducted a

**[00:14:38.490] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000308)  
and acted upon

**[00:14:40.030] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000309)  
32,419 investigations

**[00:14:43.350] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000310)  
in the first semester

**[00:14:44.890] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000311)  
this year, tracking

**[00:14:46.630] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000312)  
steadily against the full year

**[00:14:48.630] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000313)  
total of 56,212

**[00:14:51.330] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000314)  
in 2025.

**[00:14:53.170] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000315)  
For clearance applications,

**[00:14:55.290] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000316)  
the NBI was able to

**[00:14:56.790] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000317)  
process 99.28%

**[00:14:59.890] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000322)  
of requests within the prescribed time of 10 minutes in 2025.

**[00:15:05.400] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000323)  
This year, as of the first semester, the NBI has already reached an efficiency

**[00:15:11.540] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000324)  
rate of 98.79 percent and may surpass previous year's performance by year end.

**[00:15:18.060] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000325)  
On the other hand, the Bureau of Immigration cleared 99.9 percent

**[00:15:23.740] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000326)  
of foreign arrivals and departures in 2025, which is the same as of the first

**[00:15:29.280] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000327)  
semester this year. For the first half of this year, the BI already achieved

**[00:15:35.380] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000328)  
96.02 per cent of intelligence case disposition within 60 days.

**[00:15:40.940] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000329)  
This has already exceeded its annual budget target of 95.91 percent

**[00:15:47.580] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000330)  
by 0.51 percent. The BI commits to sustain its performance by year-end.

**[00:15:53.820] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000331)  
In terms of Corrections Administration, the average daily number

**[00:15:58.780] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000332)  
of PDLs

**[00:15:59.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000333)  
managed and safe-kept by the Bureau of Corrections stood at 52,708 in the first semester,

**[00:16:08.280] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000334)  
down to 53,972 in 2025.

**[00:16:13.040] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000335)  
This indicates steady progress in prison decongestion.

**[00:16:17.280] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000336)  
PDL engagement in reformation rehabilitation programs rose to 98.60% in the first semester this year,

**[00:16:26.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000337)  
from 97.97% in 2025.

**[00:16:30.620] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000338)  
Moreover, client compliance with probation and parole conditions increased to 99.46% in the first half of 2026,

**[00:16:41.460] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000339)  
compared to 98.96% in 2025.

**[00:16:46.440] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000340)  
Additionally, participation of probationers and parolees in community-based rehabilitation programs of the PPA

**[00:16:53.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000341)  
reached 98.69% in 2025.

**[00:16:56.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000342)  
And 98.75% in the first semester, but is expected to improve by the end of the year.

**[00:17:05.140] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000343)  
The performance metrics on this slide shows operational efficiency

**[00:17:09.060] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000344)  
and high client satisfaction in the provision of legal services.

**[00:17:14.340] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000345)  
The Public Attorney's Office sustained high disposition rates of cases with favorable judgment,

**[00:17:20.220] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000346)  
both in 2025 and 2026.

**[00:17:22.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000347)  
At the same time, the PAO was able to improve its performance metrics in 2025 and 2026.

**[00:17:26.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000348)  
The PAO was able to achieve high success rates on alternative dispute resolution for the year 2025 at 91.43%.

**[00:17:35.140] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000349)  
The Office of the Solicitor General acted on 98.3% of the cases it handled in 2025,

**[00:17:44.060] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000350)  
which increased to 98.6% in 2026.

**[00:17:48.400] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000351)  
Across the assessment periods, the agency was also able to act on 100% of petitions for naturalization,

**[00:17:56.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000352)  
the high-performance results led to excellent satisfaction ratings from their client agencies.

**[00:18:03.740] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000353)  
Similarly, from 2025 up to 2026, the Office of the Government Corporate Counsel, or OGCC,

**[00:18:10.740] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000354)  
was able to file 100% of its pleadings within the prescribed period.

**[00:18:16.480] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000355)  
Meanwhile, as of the first semester of this year,

**[00:18:19.880] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000356)  
88% of contracts were reviewed and legal opinions were rendered by the OGCC

**[00:18:25.560] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000357)  
within the prescribed period.

**[00:18:26.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000358)  
A significant increase of 8% from its accomplishment rate in 2025.

**[00:18:34.280] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000359)  
In the case of the Land Registration Authority,

**[00:18:37.160] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000360)  
the agency has surpassed its accomplishments in 2025,

**[00:18:41.900] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000361)  
with 93.94% titles issued and 95.67% of deeds annotated within 20 days from receipt of complete documents.

**[00:18:53.400] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000362)  
Meanwhile, the Presidential Commission on Good Government,

**[00:18:56.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000363)  
reported around $1.57 billion of recovered amount and proceeds

**[00:19:02.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000364)  
from the administration of fully taken over sequestered assets in 2025.

**[00:19:07.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000365)  
The Commission is expected to remit the same amount to the Treasury by the end of this year.

**[00:19:12.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000366)  
Lastly, the Office of the Alternative Dispute Resolution continuously advances the use of ADR mechanisms,

**[00:19:20.260] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000367)  
having trained 3,392 practitioners and implementers in 2025.

**[00:19:27.580] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000371)  
It has also acted upon all applications for accreditation and approval of ADR training programs for 2025 and 2026.

**[00:19:38.360] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000372)  
Overall, the whole Department remains steadfast and optimistic and sustaining,

**[00:19:43.660] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000373)  
if not surpassing its high performance results.

**[00:19:47.000] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000374)  
The total proposed budget of the DOJ, including its constituent and attached agencies for 2027,

**[00:19:54.160] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000375)  
amounts to 46.435 billion

**[00:19:58.960] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000376)  
as compared with fiscal year 2026 approved budget of 45.525 billion.

**[00:20:06.940] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000377)  
As you may note, the DOJ budget for 2027 is retained at 0.64 percent or less than 1 percent

**[00:20:15.580] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000378)  
of the published total NEP budget of 7.2 trillion. Overall, for the FY2027 NEP-based budget,

**[00:20:24.160] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000379)  
68.32 percent is for personal services, including salaries and other compensation of employees.

**[00:20:32.440] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000380)  
Only 24.42 percent is programmed for maintenance and other operating expenses, while 7.26 percent

**[00:20:41.240] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000381)  
accounts for the capital outlay of select agencies of the department. The slight increase in the

**[00:20:48.120] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000382)  
overall NEP budget of the DOJ is attributed mainly to the increased funding requirements

**[00:20:54.140] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000383)  
for personal salaries and other compensation. For 2027, the department-wide budget proposal

**[00:21:03.180] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000384)  
amounts to 121.63 billion, but the total budget recommended in the 2027 NEP is only 46.35 billion,

**[00:21:16.660] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000385)  
or only 38.18 percent of the submitted proposed budget.

**[00:21:24.140] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000386)  
This slide shows our comparative budget for 2026 and 2027 by allotment class in millions pesos.

**[00:21:33.900] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000387)  
Details of these figures will be shown later. With the permission of the honorable members

**[00:21:39.120] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000388)  
of the committee, please allow me to present the DOJ OSSEC budget in the next several slides.

**[00:21:47.590] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000389)  
For 2027, the Office of the Secretary is provided with a total budget of 13.93 billion,

**[00:21:55.710] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000392)  
wherein 70.67% is for PS, 12.47% for MOOE,

**[00:22:01.430] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000393)  
and 16.86% for CO.

**[00:22:04.770] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000394)  
For our law enforcement program, the budget of the National Prosecution Service

**[00:22:09.350] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000395)  
increased by 7.64%, on the contrary, with substantial reductions in the budgets for

**[00:22:16.710] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000396)  
anti-trafficking in persons, anti-cyber crime, and OSEC-CISCM. The budget for special enforcement and

**[00:22:24.670] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000397)  
sub-program is reduced by almost half in 2027 at 204 million compared to the

**[00:22:31.690] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000398)  
current appropriations of 402 million. For 2027, the target disposition rate of

**[00:22:37.990] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000399)  
criminal complaints handled by the NPS is set at 97 percent. The

**[00:22:43.390] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000400)  
Department, through the Witness Protection Program, aims to act on all

**[00:22:47.050] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000401)  
applications for witness coverage and that 95.34 percent of

**[00:22:52.210] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000402)  
investigations undertaken by special enforcement units must be completed. The

**[00:22:58.450] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000403)  
total recommended appropriations for our corrections program in 2027 is reduced

**[00:23:04.090] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000404)  
by 21.05 percent. Compared to our current year's approved funding, the

**[00:23:10.270] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000405)  
recommended budget for our pardons and parole services is slightly reduced by

**[00:23:15.610] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000406)  
2.63 percent at 37 million. On the other hand, the recommended budget for victim

**[00:23:22.190] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000407)  
compensation service is cut by more than half from 19 million in 2026 to 8

**[00:23:29.090] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000408)  
million in 2027. With significantly reduced budgets for next year, the Board

**[00:23:35.310] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000409)  
of Pardons and Parole will ensure that 99.72 percent of appropriations for

**[00:23:41.030] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000410)  
parole and executive clemency are acted upon and that 100 percent of board

**[00:23:46.070] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000411)  
resolutions on the grant of parole and executive clemency are issued within the

**[00:23:50.930] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000412)  
prescribed period.

**[00:23:52.190] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000413)  
Moreover, the Board of Claims will have to act upon all applications for victim

**[00:23:56.570] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000414)  
compensation next year. For 2027, the legal staff shall ensure that 97.07

**[00:24:03.950] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000415)  
percent of requests for legal services are acted upon with a working budget of

**[00:24:09.590] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000416)  
205 million, which is 4.59 percent higher than the 2026 budget. For attached and

**[00:24:17.090] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000417)  
constituent agencies, we start with the Bureau of Corrections.

**[00:24:21.650] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000418)  
Their 2027 budget, recommended budget, amounts to 11.93 billion, which is 9.66

**[00:24:29.510] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000419)  
percent higher than the appropriations of the current year. On average, the

**[00:24:34.790] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000420)  
Bucor is committed to maintaining safekeep around 56,454 PDLs daily and to ensure that 98.13 percent of PDLs participate in their rehabilitation programs. For the Bureau of Immigration, their 2027 budget is

**[00:24:51.650] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000421)  
recommended budget is 2.98

**[00:24:54.210] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000422)  
billion, which is 35.8

**[00:24:57.450] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000423)  
percent lower than the 2026 budget. Given this, the BI is set to clear the

**[00:25:03.870] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000424)  
arrival or departure of 99.99 percent of foreign passengers.

**[00:25:09.210] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000425)  
Further, the BI needs to dispose, within 60 days, 95.91 percent of their

**[00:25:16.490] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000426)  
intelligence cases.

**[00:25:19.510] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000427)  
For the Land Registration Authority,

**[00:25:20.930] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000428)  
Authority, the 2027 recommended budget amounts to 3.28 billion, which is 13.70 percent higher

**[00:25:30.450] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000429)  
than the 2.88 billion budget in 2026. Given this, the LRA will be able to provide land

**[00:25:37.570] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000430)  
registration services. Particularly, the agency shall ensure that at least 93.62 percent of titles

**[00:25:45.130] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000431)  
will be issued and 95.64 percent of deeds are annotated within 20 days after the submission

**[00:25:52.370] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000432)  
of complete documents. For the National Bureau of Investigation, their 2027 recommended budget

**[00:25:58.610] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000433)  
is 22.34 percent lower at 3.03 billion from 3.9 billion in 2026. For that said 2027 budget,

**[00:26:10.390] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000434)  
the NBI should be able to process more than 6.6 million clearance

**[00:26:15.110] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000435)  
applications, of which at least 98 percent should be issued within 10 minutes from receipt of

**[00:26:20.450] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000436)  
requests. The NBI committed to act upon the conduct and conduct at least 50,000 investigations

**[00:26:29.370] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000437)  
next year. On behalf of the Government Corporate Council, the 2027 recommended budget amounts

**[00:26:36.830] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000438)  
to 310 million, which is 2.21 percent lower than the 316 million budget in 2026. For the

**[00:26:45.110] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000439)  
next year, the OGCC shall ensure that 100 percent of all court pleadings will be filed

**[00:26:51.870] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000440)  
within the prescribed period and that 82 percent of all contracts will be reviewed and legal

**[00:26:58.110] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000441)  
opinions will be rendered within the prescribed period. For the Office of the Solicitor General,

**[00:27:04.290] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000442)  
the 2027 recommended budget is increased to 2.14 billion from 1.9 billion this year, with

**[00:27:11.270] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000443)  
a positive variance of 13.15 percent in their budget.

**[00:27:15.110] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000444)  
The OSG aims to act upon at least 98 percent of referred cases in 2027, out of which 99

**[00:27:22.450] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000445)  
percent are acted upon within 30 days. For resolution of petitions for naturalization,

**[00:27:28.710] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000446)  
the OSG intends to resolve 100 percent by the end of the year. For the PPA, the 2027

**[00:27:37.190] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000447)  
recommended budget amounts to 1.25 billion, which is about 3.61 percent lower than the

**[00:27:43.590] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000448)  
1.3 billion approved budget in 2026.

**[00:27:46.360] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000450)  
With their 2027 NEP-based budget, PPA will ensure that 98.96 percent of clients will

**[00:27:53.970] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000451)  
be compliant with the terms of their probation and or parole conditions, and that 98.69 percent

**[00:28:03.010] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000452)  
will participate in its rehabilitation programs.

**[00:28:06.810] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000453)  
For the Presidential Commission on Good Government, their recommended budget under the 2027 NEP

**[00:28:13.190] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000454)  
amounts to 339 million.

**[00:28:15.110] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000455)  
which is 9.35 percent higher than their current-year appropriations of 310 million. For 2027, the PCGG targets at least 846 million of surrendered or sequestered assets to be submitted to the Bureau of the Treasury. For the Public Attorney's Office, its 2027 recommended budget amounts to 7.101 billion, which is

**[00:28:40.730] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000456)  
6.10 percent higher

**[00:28:43.320] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000457)  
than its 6.693

**[00:28:46.160] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000458)  
billion budget for 2026.

**[00:28:48.880] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000459)  
With this recommended budget, the PAO will be able to achieve 83.05 percent

**[00:28:54.480] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000460)  
favorable judgments for its disposed cases, including appeals, in 2027.

**[00:29:02.120] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000461)  
The office will also ensure that all requests for nonjudicial services in 2027 will be acted upon within two hours.

**[00:29:10.560] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000462)  
Lastly, for the Office for Alternative Dispute Resolution, the

**[00:29:15.880] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000463)  
2027 recommended budget amounts to 139 million, which is 16.27 percent lower than its current year's appropriation.

**[00:29:26.550] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000464)  
Despite the reduced funding, the OADR will ensure that 1,880 ADR practitioners and implementers will be trained

**[00:29:36.510] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000465)  
and 100% of applications for accreditation will be acted upon in 2027.

**[00:29:42.350] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000466)  
This concludes our presentation of the 2027 department-wide budget.

**[00:29:48.630] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000467)  
At this point, we are ready to address any questions, comments, or requests for clarification the committee may wish to raise.

**[00:29:57.090] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000468)  
We earnestly seek favorable consideration.

**[00:30:00.000] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000469)  
consideration of our budgets as we continue to effectively and efficiently carry out our

**[00:30:06.620] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000470)  
mandates and strengthen the delivery of compassionate and humane justice services.

**[00:30:13.120] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000471)  
With your continued support, we remain committed to upholding the rule of law, protecting the

**[00:30:18.120] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000472)  
rights of our people and the general public, and advancing justice reforms that are responsible

**[00:30:24.460] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000473)  
to the changing times and the needs of the Filipino people.

**[00:30:28.200] DOJ Undersecretary Majken Anika S. Gran-Ong** (asr-000474)  
Thank you very much for your kind attention.

**[00:30:29.450] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000475)  
Thank you, Usec.

**[00:30:30.600] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000476)  
Comsec, please acknowledge our additional members who are present here today.

**[00:30:36.858] Committee Secretary** (asr-000477)  
Additional members present: Representative Ann Matibag, Representative Loreto Amante,

**[00:30:44.519] Committee Secretary** (asr-000478)  
Representative Brian Poe, Representative Jonathan Keith Flores, Representative Reynante Arrogancia,

**[00:30:52.399] Committee Secretary** (asr-000479)  
Representative Renee Co, and Representative Allan Ty.

**[00:30:57.080] Committee Secretary** (asr-000481)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[00:31:00.432] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000482)  
Thank you, Comsec.

**[00:31:01.399] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000483)  
May I remind our distinguished colleagues that each member is given five minutes for

**[00:31:07.480] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000484)  
questioning or interpellation, excluding the response of the research persons.

**[00:31:12.039] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000485)  
And when you hear the bell sound, it means you only have 30 seconds to wind up your questions.

**[00:31:19.923] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000486)  
As part of a longstanding and respected tradition of the House of Representatives to accord

**[00:31:26.039] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000487)  
preferential treatment to the minority.

**[00:31:31.039] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000488)  
treatment to the minority members of the House, followed by the independent

**[00:31:34.760] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000489)  
and majority members in an alternating manner. The Chair now recognizes from the minority,

**[00:31:41.438] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000490)  
Representative Dada Kiram Ismula.

**[00:31:43.970] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-000491)  
Mr. Chair, excuse me.

**[00:31:45.360] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-000492)  
Good afternoon.

**[00:31:46.754] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-000493)  
Mr. Chair.

**[00:31:47.460] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000494)  
Yes.

**[00:31:48.290] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-000495)  
This is Representative Leila de Lima.

**[00:31:51.360] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-000496)  
I think you missed my name earlier.

**[00:31:53.440] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000497)  
Okay.

**[00:31:54.039] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-000498)  
I just want to be registered as present.

**[00:31:56.120] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-000499)  
Thank you.

**[00:31:56.710] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000500)  
Okay.

**[00:31:57.039] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000501)  
Thank you, Hon. Leila de Lima.

**[00:32:00.320] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000506)  
Your presence is acknowledged.

**[00:32:02.701] Committee Secretary** (asr-000507)  
Mr. Chair, Akbayan Representative Perci Cendaña is also present.

**[00:32:05.760] Committee Secretary** (asr-000508)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[00:32:08.084] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000509)  
Thank you, Representative Cendaña.

**[00:32:11.159] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000510)  
I would like to acknowledge Representative Iris Montes and Representative Sara Jane

**[00:32:17.720] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000511)  
Ilago also.

**[00:32:19.660] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000512)  
So, Representative Dada Ismula, you are now recognized for your interpellation.

**[00:32:24.773] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000513)  
Maraming salamat Mr. Chair.

**[00:32:27.080] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000514)  
Um magandang hapon po sa ating mga resource person for today.

**[00:32:32.120] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000515)  
Um dediretsuhin ko na po kasi may limang minuto lamang kami.

**[00:32:36.440] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000516)  
Ah Mr. Chair, Mr.

**[00:32:37.880] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000517)  
Secretary, thank you for your presentation po.

**[00:32:41.960] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000518)  
Um, unang katanungan po, what have been the findings

**[00:32:45.799] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000519)  
of the DOJ on the reach of nihilistic

**[00:32:49.159] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000520)  
violent extremism in the Philippines with regards to the school shootings?

**[00:32:54.600] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000521)  
Regarding the Tacloban

**[00:32:56.480] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000522)  
school shooting case in June, may nakasuhan na po

**[00:32:59.799] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000523)  
ba ang may-ari ng baril?

**[00:33:03.080] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000524)  
At ano po ang ginawa ng inyong ahensya para ma-identify

**[00:33:08.720] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000525)  
ang different groups po at ang kanilang

**[00:33:10.480] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000526)  
next moves? Salamat po.

**[00:33:15.668] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000527)  
Maraming salamat po. Good afternoon everyone.

**[00:33:19.399] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000528)  
Of course, very real-time. As of today,

**[00:33:25.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000529)  
the owner of the gun in the Tacloban shooting—

**[00:33:29.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000530)  
our local prosecutor's office in Tacloban

**[00:33:33.919] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000531)  
already issued the resolution indicting the

**[00:33:38.919] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000532)  
owner of the gun for criminal negligence.

**[00:33:43.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000533)  
no so uh second

**[00:33:48.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000534)  
findings that are relevant to our law enforcement agencies.

**[00:33:52.559] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000535)  
This has been conveyed and relayed to our law enforcement agencies.

**[00:33:58.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000536)  
Uh meron po kasi tayong nakikita no na pattern.

**[00:34:01.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000537)  
I think I discussed this in one of the interviews.

**[00:34:05.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000538)  
Maliban po doon sa mga yung mga naglalaro po yung mga anak natin or yung nagpa-participate

**[00:34:11.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000539)  
sa games, merong invitation sa kanila to join a separate

**[00:34:15.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000540)  
uh a separate chat room.

**[00:34:19.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000541)  
Kung saan ang nakikita po nating pattern, may mga groomers po na tinatawag doon

**[00:34:25.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000542)  
where they are enhanced yung yung level of violence

**[00:34:29.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000543)  
yung level of getting more points but this is

**[00:34:33.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000544)  
uh on particular details po this is subject of

**[00:34:38.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000545)  
ongoing law enforcement activities. But up to that extent,

**[00:34:43.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000546)  
I can share with you, with the members of the

**[00:34:47.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000547)  
committee, that definitely there's an issue there

**[00:34:52.359] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000548)  
that we need to work on yung mga tinatawag po nilang groomers no

**[00:34:57.160] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000549)  
na uh the exact the exact

**[00:35:01.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000550)  
extent the exact motivation for these groomers inviting

**[00:35:06.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000551)  
yung mga ano natin kaya ang appeal nga ho namin sa publiko is

**[00:35:10.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000552)  
let's watch our kids let's watch uh people we love

**[00:35:15.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000553)  
ah regarding yung sa engagement nila in all these games.

**[00:35:19.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000554)  
Apparently uh benign walang ano walang ano walang ano but but

**[00:35:24.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000555)  
when they are uh invited into these chat rooms no ah

**[00:35:29.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000556)  
doon na po nag-i-start iyong engagement, and this is really disturbing po.

**[00:35:34.972] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000557)  
Just a follow-up on that, Mr. Chair, Mr. Secretary.

**[00:35:39.960] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000558)  
Na-identify na po ba ninyo kung anong groups ito?

**[00:35:43.160] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000559)  
Dahil ah nasabi niyo nga po kanina na may mga invitations po na napapadala sa mga chat rooms?

**[00:35:50.024] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000560)  
Ma'am, if you may, we will just submit a confidential report kasi

**[00:35:54.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000561)  
we don't want to stymie any ongoing

**[00:35:58.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000562)  
investigations we're doing and other law enforcement activities we're doing.

**[00:36:03.018] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000563)  
Yes, please, Mr. Chair. I would like to receive that report as well, kung okay lang po, Mr. Chair.

**[00:36:09.110] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000564)  
With your permission also, the director from the National Bureau of Investigation would add to that.

**[00:36:17.446] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000565)  
Good afternoon. May I proceed, Mr. Chair? On that question,

**[00:36:22.880] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000566)  
uh on Wednesday a group from the Philippines will go also to

**[00:36:28.440] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000567)  
Singapore to talk to the meta officials. It will be composed of the office

**[00:36:34.359] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000568)  
of the DICT, the uh office of the executive secretary

**[00:36:39.920] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000569)  
um and uh myself and also a representative from the office of the speaker.

**[00:36:45.680] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000570)  
So this is one of the topics that we will discuss regarding this and in addition

**[00:36:51.000] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000571)  
to what Secretary Vida mentioned we are on track we are naka-surveillance

**[00:36:56.760] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000572)  
po kami dito sa sa grupo na to as early as doon sa event nung Tacloban so we

**[00:37:02.440] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000573)  
we treated it as not an isolated case, but it is designed na

**[00:37:08.000] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000574)  
ganyan talaga na gagawin nila and we monitor that meron pang mga naka-schedule sila

**[00:37:13.680] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000575)  
na mga [unclear] attacks in the coming months. In fact, there is a group chat na mayroon

**[00:37:19.240] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000576)  
sila that uh we used to monitor pero nag-disband sila no so ah

**[00:37:24.880] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000577)  
Also, as the Secretary mentioned, we cannot mention all the details because we are

**[00:37:30.920] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000578)  
on the point of investigating and looking for the principals nitong group na ito.

**[00:37:37.062] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000579)  
Mr. Chair, maraming salamat, Mr. Secretary and to the NBI director.

**[00:37:41.880] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000580)  
Um isa na lang po para sa follow-up diyan.

**[00:37:44.800] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000581)  
Kung may na-identify na po kayong mga grupo tungkol dito, maaari ko po

**[00:37:50.800] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000582)  
bang malaman kung itong mga na-identify ninyong group, mayroon na po

**[00:37:55.200] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000583)  
ba dito sa Pilipinas or nagkukuta na rin po ba sila dito sa Pilipinas?

**[00:38:00.991] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000584)  
Meron po kaming personalities na na-identify at ah we already know

**[00:38:06.319] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-000585)  
kung saan but we have to be certain before we do our reactions. Ano po.

**[00:38:12.061] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000586)  
Sige po. Maraming salamat po. Mr.

**[00:38:14.839] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000587)  
Chair, I just have one more. Ah, Mr.

**[00:38:18.240] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000588)  
Secretary, paano niyo nasisiguro na walang religious

**[00:38:22.680] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000589)  
profiling or double standard sa magiging ganitong

**[00:38:26.400] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000590)  
insidente lalo na yung nangyari sa Zamboanga City case

**[00:38:30.040] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000591)  
recently, especially in sensitive cases like this.

**[00:38:35.804] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000592)  
Well, the Department of Justice would be consistent with all this.

**[00:38:39.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000593)  
Wala po ditong labeling, walang ano.

**[00:38:42.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000594)  
We will just look at where the evidence will lead us.

**[00:38:46.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000595)  
We will look at this uh guided by the Lady Blind Justice.

**[00:38:50.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000596)  
Kung ano lang po iyong ebidensya.

**[00:38:52.240] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000597)  
Wala pong dagdag, wala hong kulang doon sa aming gagawin pong imbestigasyon.

**[00:38:57.674] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000598)  
Sana nga po, Mr.

**[00:38:59.040] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000599)  
Chair, at gusto ko lamang pong ma-manifest dito na kaming

**[00:39:04.200] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000600)  
mga Muslim we are against extremism and

**[00:39:07.400] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000601)  
terrorism influencing our children.

**[00:39:10.880] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000602)  
But we have to ask DOJ on our law

**[00:39:13.599] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000603)  
enforcement agencies to ensure that religious

**[00:39:16.960] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000604)  
profiling is avoided as it could also put

**[00:39:20.280] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000605)  
Muslim communities in danger of human rights violation.

**[00:39:24.400] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000606)  
Pag Muslim sinasabing terorista pero

**[00:39:26.760] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000607)  
pag Katoliko o iba pang mga relihiyon, hindi sinasabi, di ba?

**[00:39:30.640] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000608)  
So sana iniiwasan po natin

**[00:39:33.319] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000609)  
na ma-include yung religion.

**[00:39:35.640] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000610)  
Instead of focusing on the religion, let's focus on the problem itself.

**[00:39:40.119] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000611)  
Hindi po religion ang problema dito.

**[00:39:42.839] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000612)  
Anyway, magko-continue po ako, Mr. Chair.

**[00:39:46.440] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000613)  
Nagkaroon po kami ng consultations patungkol sa

**[00:39:49.359] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000614)  
budget at may mga ilang mga katutubo

**[00:39:52.680] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000615)  
ang inilapit sa amin ang mga concerns na ito.

**[00:39:57.040] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000616)  
Um, may mga reklamo ang ating mga

**[00:39:58.839] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000617)  
IPs at ICCs na nagkaroon ng

**[00:40:02.000] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000618)  
overlap ng titles kung saan patuloy pa ring

**[00:40:05.480] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000619)  
nag-i-issue ang LRA ng transfer certificate of titles.

**[00:40:10.560] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000620)  
Um, kahit sa mga

**[00:40:11.760] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000621)  
lupang may certificate of ancestral domain titles

**[00:40:15.200] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000622)  
na in-issue na ng NCIP na nirehistro

**[00:40:18.240] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000623)  
sa Registry of Deeds.

**[00:40:20.839] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000624)  
Unang katanungan po patungkol dito.

**[00:40:23.839] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000625)  
Um ano ang konkretong hakbang o programa ng

**[00:40:27.839] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000626)  
LRA upang matigil na ang ganitong overlap?

**[00:40:33.524] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000627)  
With your permission, may I ask Administrator Jerry Sirios to respond?

**[00:40:39.363] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000628)  
Magandang hapon po sa inyong lahat, Mr. Chair.

**[00:40:43.359] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000629)  
Kami po sa

**[00:40:47.119] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000630)  
LRA ay kamakailan ay nakipag-ugnayan po

**[00:40:51.240] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000631)  
sa National Commission on Indigenous Peoples

**[00:40:55.000] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000632)  
sa pangunguna ni Chairperson Catamco, and

**[00:40:59.359] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000633)  
uh kasama rin nilang nagpunta sa amin nung nakaraang

**[00:41:02.920] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000634)  
linggo ay ang counterpart nila sa BARMM po.

**[00:41:07.800] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000635)  
I think they have a ministry for indigenous peoples po in the BARMMM region.

**[00:41:12.839] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000636)  
So kami po ay nakikipag-ugnayan ngayon

**[00:41:15.040] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000637)  
at kami po ay bumabalangkas ng isang memorandum

**[00:41:18.760] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000638)  
of agreement upang maayos po ang registration

**[00:41:22.680] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000639)  
ng mga ini-issue na certificate of ancestral domain

**[00:41:26.480] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000640)  
title and certificate of ancestral land

**[00:41:30.720] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000641)  
title sa nasasakupang lugar po nila.

**[00:41:36.417] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000642)  
Paano naman po kapag hindi sa BARMM? Other

**[00:41:40.920] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000643)  
areas that are not in BARMM na nagkakaroon ng problema sa overlapping po?

**[00:41:46.053] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000644)  
Opo. Kami rin po ay nakikipag-ugnayan

**[00:41:50.640] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000645)  
sa, tulad ng nabanggit ko po,

**[00:41:54.319] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000646)  
NCIP and also sa DENR and

**[00:41:58.720] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000647)  
sa LMB po upang maiwasan ang overlapping.

**[00:42:03.640] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000648)  
Ang LRA through the Registry of Deeds ay

**[00:42:07.480] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000649)  
ang huli po sa proseso ng ah issuance ng title.

**[00:42:12.240] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000650)  
Sa amin lang po inirerehistro.

**[00:42:14.480] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000651)  
But ang issuance po ng title ay nanggagaling po sa tatlong tanggapan po.

**[00:42:21.119] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000652)  
Una, ang DENR sa pamamagitan ng LMB.

**[00:42:24.240] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000653)  
Nag-i-issue po ng patents. Pangalawa, sa DAR

**[00:42:28.720] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000654)  
po na natigil na rin ngayon ang issuance ng mga emancipation patent and CLOA.

**[00:42:34.400] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000655)  
And pangatlo po yung NCIP tulad ng

**[00:42:37.240] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000656)  
nabanggit ko kanina po at ang ikaapat ang judicial titling process.

**[00:42:41.680] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000657)  
kung saan dumadaan sa ating mga korte at kami ay dina-direct upang makipag

**[00:42:46.079] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000658)  
ah makapag-issue ng isang decree at ng titulo.

**[00:42:49.760] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000659)  
Pero sa lahat ng proseso po ng pagtitulo, ang LRA po sa

**[00:42:54.480] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000660)  
pamamagitan ng RD ang huling ahensya po na humahawak sa titulo.

**[00:42:59.408] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000661)  
Sige follow up question po Mr. Chair.

**[00:43:02.160] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000662)  
Mayroon po ba kayong specific program diyan sa LRA para tugunan ang ganitong

**[00:43:08.280] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000663)  
problema at kung sakaling mayroon, magkano naman po ang allocation ninyo sa NEP?

**[00:43:17.127] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000664)  
Sa kasalukuyan po, kami po ay nakikipag-ugnayan tulad ng nabanggit ko. Pero ang solusyon po nito ay ang

**[00:43:23.760] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000665)  
pagkakaroon po ng mga ah applications, programs na makakatulong upang maiwasan ang overlapping.

**[00:43:30.720] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000666)  
Sa kasalukuyan, mayroon po tayong ine-evaluate na public-private partnership, subalit

**[00:43:37.920] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000667)  
nasa proseso kami ng negotiations. But maliban po

**[00:43:44.680] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000668)  
dito kami po ay masusing nakikipag-usap na ho sa ibang ahensya upang mailatag

**[00:43:51.760] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000669)  
po namin yung iba't ibang titles na nai-issue na at malaman kung ano-ano ang mga meron pong overlapping.

**[00:43:59.348] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000670)  
Sige po, Mr. Chair.

**[00:44:00.599] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000671)  
Um, aware po kayo sa JAO No. 1?

**[00:44:03.520] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000672)  
Tama po ba?

**[00:44:04.715] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000673)  
Opo. Opo.

**[00:44:05.727] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000674)  
Ano pong definition nitong JAO No. 1?

**[00:44:08.461] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000675)  
Iyong pong JAO, naabutan ko po ito.

**[00:44:10.640] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000676)  
Ito po ay interagency issuance po.

**[00:44:14.200] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000677)  
Patungkol po ito, kung hindi po ako nagkakamali, dito po

**[00:44:18.920] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000678)  
sa DAR sa DAR kung saan

**[00:44:22.520] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000679)  
nagkaroon ng ah

**[00:44:25.960] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000680)  
ugnayan para makapag-issue po ng mga

**[00:44:29.800] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000681)  
titulo ho sa ilalim ng DAR.

**[00:44:36.085] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000682)  
Okay. Linawin ko lang, ang JAO No. 1 ay ito iyong mga ahensya na involved patungkol sa

**[00:44:45.800] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000683)  
pagbibigay ng titulo sa mga lupain. Kasama na diyan ang NCIP, DENR, DAR, at ang alam ko po ay kasama rin ang LRA dito.

**[00:44:55.319] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000684)  
Opo.

**[00:44:55.760] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000685)  
Okay. Now, follow-up question po. Ano po iyong ginagawa ninyo kasalukuyan diyan bilang parte po kayo ng JAO para masiguro na hindi na nagkakaroon ng overlapping dahil itong tatlong ahensya ay hindi nagkakasundo?

**[00:45:10.848] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000686)  
Opo. Iyong pong JAO No. 1, lumabas po doon ang NCIP. Nagkaroon po tayo ng panibagong pag-uusap sa ilalim ng leadership ng dati nating kalihim ng Katarungan.

**[00:45:25.359] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000687)  
Nagkaroon ho ng ugnayan dito pero hindi ho nagbunga sa panibagong usapin ano ho but sa kasalukuyan tinutuloy po namin ang usapin para magkaroon tayo ng konkretong aksyon o policy regarding po itong overlapping of titles po.

**[00:45:43.298] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000688)  
Mr. Chair, sana nga po magkaroon kayo ng commitment. Kung maaari, ma-commit ninyo rin po ngayon na sana ipagpatuloy

**[00:45:52.000] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000689)  
natin iyong pag-coordinate dito sa mga ahensyang ito, nang sa gayon, pagdating po diyan sa LRA, wala na po siyang problema.

**[00:46:02.200] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000690)  
So anyway, dadako naman po ako kasi may 30 seconds na lang po ako. Dadako ako sa isa pang katanungan.

**[00:46:08.640] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000691)  
Noong July 16, 2026, nakipagpulong po sa inyo si Datu Rolando Anglao ng Manobo Pulangiyon in Bukidnon.

**[00:46:18.960] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000692)  
Ayon sa kanyang pagkaunawa, kayang ilabas ng inyong tanggapan ang

**[00:46:25.720] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000693)  
certificate of no overlap o CNO para sa CADT 261 ng Manobo Pulangiyon sa loob ng buwang ito.

**[00:46:33.359] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000694)  
Batid nating malinis na ang lots 1 at 2 at ang tanging hinahabol ng NCIP ay ang maisama ang lot 3 upang mabuo na ang 1,111 ektarya ng kanilang ancestral domain.

**[00:46:43.040] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000695)  
Kaya ba ninyong i-issue ang CNO ngayong buwan?

**[00:46:51.777] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000696)  
Ang lilinawin ko lang po, iyong certificate of lot status po, mayroon po kaming dependency rin po sa DENR.

**[00:47:00.680] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000697)  
Assuming po na makapagbigay po sa amin ng hinihiling naming mga technical description or records from DENR, maaari po naming mailabas iyan.

**[00:47:11.774] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000698)  
Ibig sabihin po, kaya ninyong maibigay ngayong buwan?

**[00:47:14.575] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-000699)  
Pipilitin po natin.

**[00:47:15.900] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000700)  
Okay po. Sige po. At sana nga po, Mr.

**[00:47:19.040] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000701)  
Chair ma-providan niyo rin po kami ng update

**[00:47:21.839] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000702)  
patungkol diyan kasi last ah budget cycle pa po yan namin fina-follow up.

**[00:47:26.880] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000703)  
Sana nga po ay maka-receive kami.

**[00:47:29.400] Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula** (asr-000704)  
Anyway, Mr. Chair, maraming salamat po.

**[00:47:31.450] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000705)  
Thank you, Rep. Ismula.

**[00:47:33.599] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000706)  
Reminder lang iyong mga reports po na hinihingi po ni Representative Ismula.

**[00:47:38.960] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000707)  
kindly furnish the committee and her office po of the report po.

**[00:47:47.060] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000708)  
Next in line from the majority, Representative J.P. Padernos.

**[00:48:00.430] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000709)  
Magandang hapon po sa inyong lahat sa ating Department of Justice,

**[00:48:05.900] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000710)  
headed by our Secretary Vida, and all attached agencies.

**[00:48:11.370] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000711)  
Magandang hapon po.

**[00:48:15.910] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000712)  
Mr. Chair, magtatanong lang po ako per agency para mas concrete.

**[00:48:22.070] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000713)  
I'll start with the Bureau of Corrections.

**[00:48:24.280] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000714)  
Is DG Katapang here?

**[00:48:27.060] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000715)  
Ayan.

**[00:48:27.220] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000716)  
I want to discuss yung facility decongestion and regionalization program ng DOJ.

**[00:48:37.630] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000717)  
Pangangailangan po kasi ng BUCOR ang humigit kumulang 55 billion para sa regional facilities,

**[00:48:44.520] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000718)  
pero 676 million lang po ang capital outlay nito habang nasa 387% ang overcrowding sa NBP.

**[00:48:54.610] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000719)  
Sa ganitong pondo, paano po?

**[00:48:56.840] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000720)  
Maabot ang target na full closure ng NBP by 2028?

**[00:49:01.900] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000721)  
Mr. Chair, Congressman Padernos,

**[00:49:07.740] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000722)  
nabigyan naman po kami ng pondo ng ating gobyerno.

**[00:49:12.020] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000723)  
Pag pinagsama-sama, simula ng 2022 hanggang ngayon,

**[00:49:16.330] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000724)  
sama pa rin yung hopefully maipasa po yung 472 capital outlay for the...

**[00:49:26.910] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000725)  
maximum security sa [unclear].

**[00:49:30.090] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000726)  
Pag sinama-sama po yun, more than 5 billion po yun.

**[00:49:34.000] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000727)  
At ang capacity po na mangyayari na madadagdag is 11,390 additional PDL capacity.

**[00:49:43.800] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000728)  
So itong 2025, nadagdagan tayo ng capacity na 1,000.

**[00:49:52.120] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000729)  
2026, 2005.

**[00:49:55.070] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000730)  
2027, 6,000.

**[00:49:56.890] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000731)  
210.

**[00:49:58.070] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000732)  
And 2028, 1,600.

**[00:50:01.910] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000733)  
Alam po namin na hindi po kayang ibigay lahat ang kailangan namin para lang ma-address yung decongestion.

**[00:50:10.670] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000734)  
Pero ang maganda pong nangyayari, nire-repair po namin yung mga sira naming kulungan at nakakatulong po.

**[00:50:20.100] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000735)  
Ang report po na sinasite nyo is yung last year pa po yan.

**[00:50:23.760] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000736)  
Pero ngayon, sa NBP po,

**[00:50:28.860] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000737)  
from 350%, ngayon po, 180% na lang ang congestion.

**[00:50:34.740] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000738)  
So, kaya nga po,

**[00:50:36.990] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000739)  
iniimbitahan namin kayo para makita nyo kung saan na pupunta yung sinusuporta nyo sa amin.

**[00:50:42.990] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000740)  
And surely, we will also look for other ways.

**[00:50:47.410] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000741)  
Yung aming property po dito sa New Bilibid Prison,

**[00:50:50.670] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000742)  
sa Muntinlupa, humihingi po kami ng permission na ipa-lease na.

**[00:50:58.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000744)  
Kasi po, yung Muntinlupa po, it should be repurposed.

**[00:51:06.520] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000745)  
Napaikutan na po kami ng mga first-class subdivision.

**[00:51:10.440] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000746)  
So, ang inisip namin ay gamitin ito for better use para tumakbo ang economy.

**[00:51:17.710] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000747)  
And hopefully, may mga targets kaming ine-expect na kung mapapa-lease namin ito for the next five years, makaka-generate kami ng 8 billion.

**[00:51:28.830] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000749)  
So, yung po, ang ginagawa namin.

**[00:51:32.790] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000750)  
Alam po namin na hindi kaya ng ating gobyerno ibigay lahat ang kailangan ng Bucor.

**[00:51:38.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000751)  
Pero, I think we are doing our best.

**[00:51:41.580] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000752)  
For the past four years, we have already turned around the congestion problem in Bucor.

**[00:51:49.590] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000753)  
Mr. Chair, napakagandang balita po niyan.

**[00:51:52.580] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000754)  
So, can you repeat lang, DG Katapang?

**[00:51:56.350] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000755)  
Yung from...

**[00:51:58.330] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000756)  
Ilan po?

**[00:51:58.800] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000757)  
From 387% overcrowding, nasa 187 na lang po?

**[00:52:04.620] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000758)  
Opo, sa NBP po.

**[00:52:06.280] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000759)  
Kasi, kailangan po talagang dahan-dahanin ko na ang paglipat.

**[00:52:11.050] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000760)  
So, yung mga napagawa naman natin na outside Metro Manila, doon po sila nililipat.

**[00:52:18.190] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000761)  
So, but overall, sa buong pagsamasamahin lahat yung ating mga kulungan, 204 na lang po ang congestion rate.

**[00:52:27.400] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000762)  
Sana lang po, Mr.

**[00:52:28.520] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000763)  
Mr. Chair, tulad po nang nabanggit ko last year sa ating budget deliberation,

**[00:52:33.810] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000764)  
let's keep in mind lang po sana yung mga pamilya na siyempre karamihan naman po ng mga nade-detain is from NCR.

**[00:52:45.120] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000765)  
So, sana po hindi sila ma-displace in other parts of the country, especially yung sa Palawan po.

**[00:52:51.790] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000766)  
Diba, papunta na po doon yung main facility.

**[00:52:54.990] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000767)  
Kamakailan po, binigyan po kami ni Governor Umali

**[00:52:58.560] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000768)  
dito po sa Nueva Ecija

**[00:53:02.440] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000769)  
ng 60 hectares. Doon po namin ililipat yung reception and diagnostic center.

**[00:53:13.030] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000770)  
At yung po rin magiging mga tiga Metro Manila, north of Metro Manila, yung po ang aming target na magiging kulungan nila.

**[00:53:22.460] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000771)  
And then south of Metro Manila, meron po kami tinitignan na property.

**[00:53:26.340] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000772)  
Magsaswapping po kami ng isang institusyon.

**[00:53:30.610] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000773)  
May lupa raw sila sa Laguna ng mga 8,000 hectares na hindi naman nila masyadong ginagamit.

**[00:53:37.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000774)  
And in exchange, bibigyan po namin sila ng 500 hectares sa Palawan para itayo yung kanilang eskwelahan sa Palawan.

**[00:53:45.460] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000775)  
So, pag nangyari po yun, lahat ng tiga Luzon ay hindi na maililipat sa outside Luzon.

**[00:53:53.330] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000776)  
Yung mga tiga Luzon, sa Luzon ang makakukulong.

**[00:53:55.570] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000777)  
And then lately rin po, yung nakita rin namin na mas marami pa lang tiga Cebu ang mga nakukulong sa Bisaya.

**[00:54:04.680] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000778)  
So, we are also coordinating with the governor, the good governor, na bigyan din po kami ng kulungan doon sa lugar

**[00:54:12.590] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000779)  
para yung tuloy-tuloy po natin magiging regionalization yung ating mga PDL.

**[00:54:20.340] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-000780)  
Salamat po.

**[00:54:21.090] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000781)  
Maraming salamat po, DG Katapang.

**[00:54:22.990] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000782)  
Mr. Chair.

**[00:54:23.590] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000783)  
Napansin ko po doon sa report kanina ng ating department, mostly yung kanilang performance indicators,

**[00:54:33.390] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000784)  
but wala po dito yung utilization po ng budget from last year.

**[00:54:40.100] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000785)  
So, maybe we can request our department or the DOJ to provide committee the utilization po ng budget.

**[00:54:53.650] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000786)  
As of today po.

**[00:54:56.660] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000787)  
If it is available, please furnish Representative Padernos and a copy to the committee.

**[00:55:02.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000788)  
Yes, we will furnish, Your Honor.

**[00:55:04.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000789)  
Your Honor, if I may add lang, doon sa decongestion.

**[00:55:08.470] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000790)  
Dalwa ho to, lutong bibingka.

**[00:55:10.950] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000791)  
Ang isa ho yung nagdadagdag tayo ng facilities, no?

**[00:55:14.850] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000792)  
Basically, ang isa pa rin ho, pinabibilis din natin yung release natin.

**[00:55:18.870] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000793)  
Na nagawa na po natin ng medyo maganda na po ang proseso natin.

**[00:55:23.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000794)  
Lalo na po yung mga may GCTA nating mga...

**[00:55:27.420] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000795)  
Alam naman po natin yung mga kababayan na natin na naligaw ng landas.

**[00:55:31.370] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000796)  
Pero lahat naman po may opportunity ng second chance.

**[00:55:34.590] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000797)  
Pag naka-comply na ho sila doon sa requirements ng batas, mag-comply sila sa GCTA,

**[00:55:40.990] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000798)  
buong yabang din ho namin pinagmamalaki na ang BUCOR po,

**[00:55:46.340] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000799)  
kakibat ang PAO, kakibat po yung ating PPA,

**[00:55:51.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000800)  
nakapagpa-release na ho tayo ng...

**[00:55:52.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000801)  
From 2022, 32,932 PDLs.

**[00:56:00.730] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000802)  
So kasama po nito, mas mabilis na po natin na pro-proseso.

**[00:56:05.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000803)  
Gumamit na rin po tayo dito ng teknolohiya, no?

**[00:56:08.380] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000804)  
So ngayon yung mga karpeta, wala na ho yung pagala-gala o nawawalang karpeta.

**[00:56:13.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000805)  
Ngayon ho sa BUCOR, lahat po, bago pa lang sila pumasok,

**[00:56:17.250] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000806)  
naka-digitize na ho. May redundancy plan na ho tayo

**[00:56:20.950] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000807)  
na hindi mawawala yung karpeta.

**[00:56:22.950] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000808)  
Kaya po, mas na-anticipate na natin.

**[00:56:26.990] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000809)  
At tumataas din yung pag-asa ng ating mga kapatid na nakakulong

**[00:56:31.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000810)  
na pag ako'y nagbait dito sa loob, makakalaya na ako sa ganitong panahon.

**[00:56:36.500] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000811)  
So, ano ho, dalawang inisyatibo ho,

**[00:56:41.570] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000812)  
padamihin yung regional prisons facility natin

**[00:56:44.450] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000813)  
at ang isa, pabilisin din yung releases natin dun sa qualified na po.

**[00:56:49.570] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000814)  
Kasi po, ang ayaw po natin ay yung nakakulong,

**[00:56:52.980] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000815)  
nakakakuha lang ng abogado ang nare-release.

**[00:56:55.940] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000816)  
Dahil sila lang yung nakakapag-file ng writ of habeas corpus.

**[00:57:00.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000817)  
Kaya po, sa ngayon ho, updated po yung ating releases.

**[00:57:04.150] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000818)  
Ang target po ng DOJ diyan ay not a day longer.

**[00:57:09.230] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000819)  
Not a day longer if, of course, it's not a perfect system.

**[00:57:13.450] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000820)  
We're working on it, we're striving hard para po,

**[00:57:16.500] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000821)  
not a day longer yung ating pong mga kapatid na PDLs.

**[00:57:19.660] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000822)  
Ito po ang dahilan kaya 180% po.

**[00:57:23.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000823)  
As of this time po, pero we're working hard para po

**[00:57:26.490] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000824)  
makamit natin yung ideal number po para sa ating mga nakakulong.

**[00:57:31.690] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000825)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[00:57:34.270] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000826)  
For my next question is on, with regard to the ano po,

**[00:57:38.760] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000827)  
I'd also like to request from the DOJ yung ating vacancies in every department,

**[00:57:45.770] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000828)  
every agencies, attached agencies,

**[00:57:47.830] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000829)  
para po malaman natin saan po ba kailangan na lagyan ng,

**[00:57:53.300] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000830)  
ano po yung mga open for applications.

**[00:57:55.690] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000831)  
Kasi may plantilya na po yung mga yan,

**[00:57:57.690] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000832)  
sayang naman po kung hindi ma-fill up yung ating vacancies.

**[00:58:01.590] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000833)  
Mayroon po ba tayong brief report on our vacancies?

**[00:58:13.060] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000834)  
We will submit a comprehensive report,

**[00:58:15.220] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000835)  
but as a summary, Your Honor,

**[00:58:17.660] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000836)  
out of the 7,651 authorized plantilya positions

**[00:58:23.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000837)  
for the Office of the Secretary, that's the Department of Justice,

**[00:58:27.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000838)  
we have 6,145 filled up.

**[00:58:30.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000839)  
And 1,506 unfilled positions.

**[00:58:35.860] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000840)  
So, and we would also be happy to report to you na,

**[00:58:43.450] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000841)  
nung nag-start po ng administration na to,

**[00:58:45.590] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000842)  
especially po yung mga presidential appointees,

**[00:58:48.370] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000843)  
we started with a timeline na almost 2 years, yung mga piskal po natin.

**[00:58:53.190] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000844)  
Now, with cooperation with DBM and the Office of the President,

**[00:58:56.810] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000845)  
na-shorten na po natin to 4 to 5 months po,

**[00:59:00.490] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000846)  
yung mga piskal po natin, yung mga prosecutor positions.

**[00:59:04.050] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000847)  
And we're also happy to report to this committee

**[00:59:06.630] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000848)  
that since the start of this administration,

**[00:59:10.530] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000849)  
from 2,966 prosecutorial position,

**[00:59:15.210] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000850)  
the DBM has created additional 1,002.

**[00:59:19.430] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000851)  
So, we're now 3,968 prosecutorial positions.

**[00:59:25.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000852)  
And ang take-up po nito sa public, maganda po.

**[00:59:27.660] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000853)  
Meron po kaming mga posisyon, mga Your Honors,

**[00:59:30.500] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000854)  
isang posisyon, 103 applicants.

**[00:59:33.260] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000855)  
So, we're able to recruit, hopefully, the best and the brightest

**[00:59:38.700] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000856)  
from those in the legal sector so that they join the workforce po

**[00:59:44.300] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000857)  
ng ating National Prosecution Service.

**[00:59:47.560] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000858)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[00:59:49.720] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000859)  
Gusto ko lang din pong i-discuss yung ating mga petition for review under the DOJ

**[00:59:55.030] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000860)  
kasi based on my experience,

**[00:59:57.540] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000861)  
my experience even before when I was practicing, dun po talaga nagkakaroon ng parang patong-patong

**[01:00:07.360] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000862)  
na kaso. Ano na po bang status doon and paano po na-address ngayon ng ating bagong

**[01:00:14.480] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000863)  
kalihim itong problema na to po?

**[01:00:18.660] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000864)  
Of course, when I assumed as acting secretary November 11, sometime in this year po, early

**[01:00:30.590] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000865)  
this year, I issued a department circular. Pag nakita ninyo po yung docket namin, total po iyan ng

**[01:00:37.620] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000866)  
27,000 sa Office of the Secretary, petitions for review, starting as old as panahon pa po

**[01:00:44.530] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000867)  
ni Secretary Raul Gonzalez.

**[01:00:47.130] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000868)  
So what happens?

**[01:00:48.450] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000869)  
What I did, I issued the department circular. So commencing po November 12, 2025, all petitions

**[01:00:56.310] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000870)  
for review filed starting November 12, I have delegated, I've given authority to all the

**[01:01:02.030] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000871)  
undersecretaries to review them and to ensure na 100% ang clearance rate. Ang nakikita po

**[01:01:09.120] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000872)  
namin, Your Honors, around 200 per week po yung nagpe-petition for review. So around 800

**[01:01:15.490] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000873)  
per month. With eight undersecretaries.

**[01:01:18.230] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000874)  
Ang mandate ko po sa kanila is hopefully we clear everything that goes in starting November

**[01:01:25.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000875)  
11. Naka-delegate na po sa undersecretaries. Ano naman po ang gagawin ni Secretary ng department

**[01:01:31.570] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000876)  
for those pending November 11 and prior years. So nag-cut off po kami ng January 1, 2022-November 11, 2025.

**[01:01:40.350] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000877)  
November 11, 2025. Yan po yung nasa opisina ko and I have certain task forces helping me

**[01:01:47.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000878)  
out.

**[01:01:48.020] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000879)  
On that, para po ma-resolve siya, ma-resolve siya, different reviewing legal teams po.

**[01:01:54.510] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000880)  
And so far po, from those pending from 2020 to 2025, that's around 16,000. That's around

**[01:02:04.990] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000881)  
16,000 po cases. My office has resolved almost 500 na po thus far. But we continue the work.

**[01:02:13.070] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000882)  
We continue the work.

**[01:02:15.340] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000883)  
For the older ones, yung prior to 2020.

**[01:02:17.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000884)  
We also have a... We also issued publications to litigants who are parties to those petitions

**[01:02:26.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000885)  
for review and we've asked them, basically, to confirm or not to confirm yung interest

**[01:02:34.100] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000886)  
sila on those cases yet. And hopefully, by end of this quarter, Your Honors, no? And

**[01:02:41.910] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000887)  
we will gladly share with the committee how we are moving forward with all these cases.

**[01:02:47.050] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000889)  
This is basically po, ang tawag nga po sa mga practitioner dyan, pag pumasok daw sa DOJ, parang black hole.

**[01:02:55.130] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000890)  
Hindi na alam kung ano yung nangyari ng petition for review.

**[01:02:58.110] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000891)  
But we're trying to address this because this is a check and balance mechanism sa mga field offices po natin.

**[01:03:04.860] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000892)  
For everyone's information, we have 250 offices nationwide.

**[01:03:09.330] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000893)  
Ito po yung city prosecutor's office, provincial prosecutor's office, regional prosecutor's office.

**[01:03:15.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000894)  
And also the office of the Secretary of Justice Prosecutorial Service, which is in Padre Faura.

**[01:03:21.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000895)  
Of all this, the litigant has a remedy going to the Secretary of Justice.

**[01:03:26.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000896)  
And we're trying to put up a system here so that we resolve them in time.

**[01:03:33.100] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000897)  
The problem po is, based on time and motion, talaga pong may challenge ang Department of Justice.

**[01:03:38.740] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000898)  
But we cannot naman prohibit filing of these petitions for review.

**[01:03:43.900] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000899)  
So it's basically...

**[01:03:45.430] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000900)  
It's basically driven din po from the litigants po na nagpa-file ng petitions sa amin.

**[01:03:52.870] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000901)  
But I think, Your Honor, we're in the right direction.

**[01:03:57.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000902)  
Hopefully, we improve as the months, as the days go by.

**[01:04:02.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000903)  
Your Honor.

**[01:04:03.750] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000904)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[01:04:06.820] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000905)  
Pasadaan ko lang po sa ating Bureau of Immigration naman on the status of our e-gates and modernization.

**[01:04:13.270] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000906)  
Ilang e-gates na po bang...

**[01:04:15.180] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000907)  
Ang fully operational ngayon sa Naia, Clark, Mactan, Cebu, at Davao.

**[01:04:21.310] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000908)  
Anong procurement status po nung natitirang units for Phase 1, 1.976 billion,

**[01:04:27.510] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000909)  
at Phase 2, 1.347 billion?

**[01:04:31.490] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000910)  
May service level agreement po standards ba tayo sa IT providers natin pag nagka-downtime?

**[01:04:38.000] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000911)  
At nakasingil na po ba tayo ng penalties laban sa mga kontraktor?

**[01:04:42.920] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000912)  
Yes, sir.

**[01:04:43.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000913)  
Magandang hapon po.

**[01:04:44.570] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000914)  
Mr. Chairman and Congressman Padernos and Honorable Members of the House of Representatives.

**[01:04:50.150] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000915)  
Pagdating po sa e-gates po natin, sa Terminal 1 po,

**[01:04:54.190] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000916)  
ang total po currently is 18, 12 para sa arrival, at for departure, 6 na e-gates po.

**[01:05:01.930] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000917)  
Para naman po sa T3, ang arrival po, meron pong tatlumpu, or 30.

**[01:05:07.480] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000918)  
Sa departure po, tatlumpu rin po, or 30.

**[01:05:10.390] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000919)  
So ang total po sa Terminals 1 and 3 is 78.

**[01:05:14.710] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000920)  
Pagdating naman po sa Cebu International—Clark, I'm sorry po—Clark International Airport, meron pong tatlo.

**[01:05:24.720] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000921)  
Dito naman po sa Mactan Cebu, tatlong rin po.

**[01:05:27.720] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000922)  
Sa Davao International Airport, dalawa po.

**[01:05:31.490] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000923)  
So yun po ang total number po ng e-gates po natin, not only sa T1 and T3, but sa ibang international airports po, sa labas po ng Metro Manila.

**[01:05:42.390] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000924)  
Ngayon, pagdating naman po sa...

**[01:05:44.860] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000925)  
status po nung ating e-gates project,

**[01:05:51.120] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000926)  
yun pong sa Phase 1, na awarded po nung 2025, 1.5 billion po yun.

**[01:05:58.330] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000927)  
Continuing po ang aming procurement, Your Honor.

**[01:06:01.570] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000928)  
Nakatipid po tayo doon sa intended budget na 1.9 billion, ng 400 million.

**[01:06:06.210] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000929)  
Pagdating naman po sa Phase 2 po ng proyekto,

**[01:06:09.890] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000930)  
ang terms of reference po para dito sa Phase 2 ng proyekto, worth 1.3 billion,

**[01:06:15.320] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000931)  
underway na po sa Departamento.

**[01:06:16.800] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000932)  
The Department of Justice, yung pong listahan po ng mga terms of reference.

**[01:06:22.130] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000933)  
Pagdating naman po sa Phase 3, 565 million po yun.

**[01:06:26.090] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000934)  
Ang commitment po namin, at we're on track, na on budget po for 2025, meron po kaming catch-up plan,

**[01:06:33.100] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000935)  
magiging fully obligated na po by November 2026.

**[01:06:36.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000936)  
Kasama na po dyan yung sa e-gates Phase 1 project.

**[01:06:40.480] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000937)  
At ang Phase 2 po ng e-gates project, worth 1.3 billion, magiging fully obligated na rin po by November.

**[01:06:46.950] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000938)  
As a matter of fact, Your Honor, we have been conducting weekly meetings

**[01:06:52.210] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000939)  
para po malaman ng ahensya kung ano na po ang status ng ating proyekto.

**[01:06:59.850] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000940)  
Pagdating naman po, Your Honor, sa service agreements, meron po tayong service agreements,

**[01:07:03.690] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000941)  
but those are constantly under review.

**[01:07:05.840] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000942)  
Kasama po sa service agreements, hinihingi po namin ng commitment sa mapuprovide po dito ng mga kumpanya, Your Honors.

**[01:07:24.900] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000943)  
Follow-up question lang po.

**[01:07:28.900] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000944)  
So okay na po lahat. So kailan po matatapos yung Phase 2?

**[01:07:32.340] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-000945)  
Ang Phase 2 po, matatapos po by November 2026. Fully obligated na po yan by that time.

**[01:07:38.760] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000946)  
So I'd just like to commend, Mr. Chair, yung efforts po ng ating Bureau of Immigration.

**[01:07:43.840] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000947)  
If you notice, ating mga kababayan, mas mabilis na ngayon yung proseso pag nasa airport.

**[01:07:50.060] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000948)  
Of course, with their partnership also with...

**[01:07:54.470] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000949)  
Airport operator.

**[01:07:56.300] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000950)  
Sa ano naman po ako, sa PCGG po. Saan po ba ang PCGG?

**[01:08:03.280] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000951)  
Nandiyan po ba ang PCGG?

**[01:08:05.010] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000953)  
Ayan.

**[01:08:05.230] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000954)  
Justice.

**[01:08:06.090] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000955)  
Justice po.

**[01:08:06.670] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000956)  
Mr. Chair, gusto ko lang po sanang itanong. What is the current budget vis-a-vis total remittance of PCGG?

**[01:08:13.790] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000957)  
And with that contribution, they have a specific...

**[01:08:17.800] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000958)  
Does PCGG have a specific proposal which will not entail additional funding from Congress?

**[01:08:28.060] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000959)  
Mr. Chair, members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity.

**[01:08:36.800] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000960)  
Just for historical context, your honors, in the past 40 years, the PCGG has recovered a total amount of 183 billion in cash,

**[01:08:54.290] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000961)  
125 billion in assets.

**[01:08:57.270] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000962)  
And as of now, during the current administration, the PCGG was able to recover

**[01:09:09.080] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000963)  
8.3 billion worth of assets. As far as budget is concerned, historically, the budget of

**[01:09:20.770] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000964)  
the PCGG has always been below 200 million. So, given that we have already, that it has

**[01:09:28.520] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000965)  
remitted 8.3 billion during the current administration, I would say that the budget of PCGG was really

**[01:09:38.410] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000966)  
given us good returns.

**[01:09:48.200] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000967)  
Maraming salamat po. Meron pa po kayong maidadagdag?

**[01:09:52.740] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000968)  
The additional funding from Congress.

**[01:09:59.110] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000969)  
Ano po iyon?

**[01:10:00.320] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000970)  
We have a bigger budget now, Your Honors, because PCGG will start paying rent for office

**[01:10:13.630] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000971)  
space. Because before, our office space was free. As one of the conditions, when we sold

**[01:10:21.680] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000972)  
an asset, which is in front of Mega Mall along EDSA, we sold that for 800 million pesos.

**[01:10:28.270] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000973)  
And the buyer was San Miguel. And they have a building, which we are now occupying, and

**[01:10:35.670] PCGG Chairperson Melchor Quirino C. Sadang** (asr-000974)  
they gave us a part of the building for occupation.

**[01:10:40.160] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000976)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Quick manifestation na lang, Mr. Chair. So, base naman po sa report

**[01:10:47.160] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000977)  
ng ating DOJ, res ipsa loquitur. The numbers speak for themselves. Case disposition rate

**[01:10:54.280] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000978)  
po, napakataas, 99%.

**[01:10:56.490] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000979)  
Ang success rate nila ng prosecution, also 90 plus percent. And lahat po ng ating mga

**[01:11:05.210] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000980)  
performance indicators, it would appear na the DOJ is really doing their job and exceeding

**[01:11:14.480] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000981)  
our expectation. So, with that said, I would like to manifest my full support for the proposed

**[01:11:22.710] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000982)  
budget. Actually, edit po natin yan.

**[01:11:27.270] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000983)  
I manifest that not just my full support for the proposed budget of the Department of

**[01:11:33.650] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000984)  
Justice, but also the increase of its budget, especially for the NBI and BI, kasi nakita ko

**[01:11:40.520] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000985)  
po ang NBI at BI, 33 percent and 27 percent decrease. Meron po ba tayong brief lang na

**[01:11:48.480] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000986)  
explanation kung bakit po nabawasan ng sobrang taas yung dalawang agencies na yan? But with

**[01:11:56.050] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000987)  
that said, yun lang po, Mr. Chair.

**[01:11:59.660] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000988)  
I believe this would be relative to the absorptive capacity ng agency. This was, of course, this

**[01:12:08.910] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000989)  
is the DBM's call, no? But it was assessed by the DBM yung absorptive capacity of the

**[01:12:13.570] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000990)  
two agencies. That's why we have catch-up plans for 2026, so that they are able to cope

**[01:12:19.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000991)  
with the budget releases for the two respective agencies. But thank you very much, Your Honor,

**[01:12:24.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-000992)  
for the support.

**[01:12:25.530] Rep. Jan "Atty. JP" Padiernos** (asr-000993)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[01:12:26.510] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000994)  
Thank you, Representative Padernos. And may we direct the ComSec to acknowledge additional

**[01:12:33.550] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-000995)  
members who are present?

**[01:12:37.160] Committee Secretary** (asr-000996)  
Additional members present: Representative Jose "Bong" J. Teves Jr., Representative Alyssa Michaela "Mica" Gonzales,

**[01:12:45.580] Committee Secretary** (asr-000997)  
Representative Robert Nazal, Representative Ma. Cristina Talavera-Lopez, Representative Salvador

**[01:12:52.030] Committee Secretary** (asr-000998)  
Pleyto, Representative Katrina Reiko Chua-Tai,

**[01:12:55.830] Committee Secretary** (asr-000999)  
Representative Ferdinand Hernandez.

**[01:12:56.860] Committee Secretary** (asr-001000)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[01:13:00.580] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001001)  
Thank you. Next in line to interpellate from the minority, Representative Chel Diokno.

**[01:13:08.380] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001002)  
Maraming salamat po, Chair Mike, at magandang hapon po sa DOJ family.

**[01:13:14.200] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001003)  
Sisimulan ko po sa isang letter C. Hindi po ito Chel, kundi corruption ang dapat nating

**[01:13:20.840] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001004)  
pag-usapan.

**[01:13:22.240] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001005)  
I noticed that there was a recent article attributed to the DOJ.

**[01:13:27.400] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001006)  
which stated that the over 841 million pesos

**[01:13:32.800] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001007)  
ay naibalik na sa ating treasury from flood control projects.

**[01:13:39.160] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001008)  
Mula sa apat na nasangkot sa flood control cases na naging state witness,

**[01:13:45.520] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001009)  
I think this would refer to Henry Alcantara, former USEC Bernardo, 500 million,

**[01:13:52.440] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001010)  
Henry Alcantara, 181 million, Engineer Opulencia, 140 million, and Sally Santos, 20 million.

**[01:14:02.400] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001011)  
Una ko pong tanong kay Secretary Vida, good morning po.

**[01:14:06.640] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001012)  
Voluntary po itong pagbabalik nila?

**[01:14:09.310] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001013)  
Opo, voluntary po ito.

**[01:14:11.100] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001014)  
Meron bang na-file na mga forfeiture cases against any of these four individuals

**[01:14:16.920] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001015)  
to ensure na baka naman meron pa silang tinatago na hindi pa nila binibigay

**[01:14:21.880] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001016)  
o binabalik sa gobyerno?

**[01:14:24.570] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001017)  
Actually, kaakibat po ito sa kondisyon nung kanilang pagpasok bilang state witness, Your Honor.

**[01:14:30.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001018)  
At sa ngayon nga po, nagagamit sila ngayon ng Office of the Ombudsman

**[01:14:35.120] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001019)  
sa patuloy na paglilitis ng mga kasong nakasalang ngayon sa Sandiganbayan at sa RTC.

**[01:14:42.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001020)  
Kaya po ang patuloy nilang pagganap dun sa terms and conditions

**[01:14:47.680] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001021)  
ng kanilang pagiging state witness, ito po ang kabahagi nun.

**[01:14:51.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001022)  
Your Honor.

**[01:14:52.360] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001023)  
Did you rely just on their word, or did you also

**[01:14:55.840] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001024)  
coordinate with AMLA, get bank secrecy waivers, and do other checking

**[01:15:02.560] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001025)  
para masiguro natin na lahat ng sinasabi nilang ibinalik ay yun na po yun?

**[01:15:08.240] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001026)  
Ang naging estratehiya po niyan para makita po yung mga commitment nilang amounts,

**[01:15:14.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001027)  
tandaan po natin, paalala lang po pala, yung pagiging state witness nila ay case-specific lang ho.

**[01:15:22.680] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001028)  
Kaya yung kanilang immunity, dun sa kasong yun lang ho.

**[01:15:25.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001029)  
Kaya yung may disclosure sila na sila kesyo ay may kinita dun sa project na yun,

**[01:15:33.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001030)  
yun lamang po sila absuwelto.

**[01:15:35.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001031)  
Kaya po pag may nadiskubre ang Office of the Ombudsman, ang DOJ, o kung ano mang ahensya,

**[01:15:41.600] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001032)  
na ibang bagay na sila'y sangkot pa rin, hindi ho yun saklaw.

**[01:15:45.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001033)  
Kaya po ang atin po, tinakda po natin yung pagtatalaga nung amount na to,

**[01:15:50.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001034)  
nagsimula pa po ito panahon ni Secretary, now Ombudsman, Boying Remulla,

**[01:15:55.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001035)  
na project-specific lang.

**[01:15:58.160] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001036)  
Yung sinabi nyo lang na kayo ay sangkot at kayo ay involved,

**[01:16:03.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001037)  
pero yung immunity mo, dun lang sa particular na project na yun.

**[01:16:07.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001038)  
Kaya pag may nakita po tayo, tingin ko ho, protektado ang bayan dito.

**[01:16:11.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001039)  
Pag may nakita ho tayo sa apat na to, sa kanilang apat na individual,

**[01:16:15.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001040)  
na walang disclosure o may tinago sa atin, pwede pa ho natin silang habulin dun.

**[01:16:20.120] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001041)  
Of course, iba po yung sa pananaw ng Office of the Ombudsman.

**[01:16:23.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001042)  
Iba pong usapin.

**[01:16:25.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001043)  
Sa amin po, yung pagiging state witness sila under the Witness Protection Program.

**[01:16:29.660] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001044)  
Thank you, Secretary Vida.

**[01:16:31.840] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001045)  
Doon sa very impressive yung inyong report, lalong-lalo na yung tinatawag ninyong

**[01:16:38.160] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001046)  
prosecutorial success rate, or PSR,

**[01:16:40.720] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001047)  
na ngayon na taon na ito, o 2025, ay nasa 90.8%.

**[01:16:46.120] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001048)  
Do you have a figure for your PSR for graft and corruption cases?

**[01:16:54.640] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001049)  
Kasi yun na yun po

**[01:16:55.320] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001050)  
ang tinututukan ng taong bayan ngayon.

**[01:16:57.640] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001051)  
Gusto naming malaman kung yung mga graft and corruption cases ba

**[01:17:01.880] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001052)  
nabibigyan ng top priority ng ating pamahalaan.

**[01:17:06.240] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001053)  
Karamihan ba ng mga nasasangkot ay nakakasuhan at nako-convict?

**[01:17:11.460] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001054)  
Opo, opo, Your Honor. We need to disaggregate our data, yung available po sa amin.

**[01:17:18.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001055)  
And we will submit to the committee, Your Honors, if you may.

**[01:17:23.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001056)  
We need to disaggregate yung data namin.

**[01:17:25.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001057)  
And of course, this data doesn't involve cases handled by the Office of the Ombudsman.

**[01:17:30.920] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001058)  
Yes.

**[01:17:31.800] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001059)  
In fact, I'll go back to that point later.

**[01:17:34.600] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001060)  
But I'm just curious, because in 2022, when Secretary, now Ombudsman, Remulla

**[01:17:41.160] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001061)  
occupied the Office of Secretary of Justice,

**[01:17:44.320] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001062)  
nabanggit niya na ang conviction rate, hindi po ito PSR, kundi conviction rate,

**[01:17:49.440] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001063)  
ay nasa 25% lang.

**[01:17:51.400] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001064)  
In fact, he expressed dismay over it.

**[01:17:54.640] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001065)  
Now,

**[01:17:55.360] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001066)  
your figure of 90% is very impressive,

**[01:17:58.520] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001067)  
but it may give the wrong impression to the public

**[01:18:04.240] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001068)  
that we have already overcome our issues with convictions.

**[01:18:08.560] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001069)  
So, may I know, does the DOJ keep a separate tab on conviction rate aside from PSR?

**[01:18:15.520] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001070)  
O na-abandonan po ninyo yan?

**[01:18:20.600] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001071)  
Actually, hindi po namin.

**[01:18:22.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001072)  
The prosecution success rate, mix po ito.

**[01:18:26.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001073)  
Yung conviction ng kaso, kasama na rin po dito yung tinatawag po na nagkaroon po ng compromise agreement.

**[01:18:35.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001074)  
And based on that compromise, nagkaroon pa rin ng hatol yung husgado sa isang particular na kaso.

**[01:18:42.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001075)  
Ito po yung pumapasok.

**[01:18:44.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001076)  
Pero batid po namin, yung 20%, if I recall it right, that would be more particular po.

**[01:18:51.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001077)  
Yung frustration po ni Secretary Boying at the time was more in the drug cases.

**[01:18:57.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001078)  
Yung after po, yung after nung 2022, na lumabas na po yung mga tunay na proseso na kahit fiscal ka o judge ka,

**[01:19:11.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001079)  
na nag-dismiss ka ng kaso base sa ebidensya, hindi ka li-labelan na protector ng droga.

**[01:19:19.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001080)  
Tapos, ang isa pa rin ho, ito po yung pagtataas namin nung antas, yung from probable cause,

**[01:19:24.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001081)  
tinaas po ng DOJ, yung antas po ng ebidensya na kailangan natin ngayon,

**[01:19:29.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001082)  
yung prima facie evidence with reasonable certainty of conviction.

**[01:19:35.160] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001083)  
Ang isa pong nakikita naming ehemplo dito ay yung sa, pag nakita po natin yung mga sa United States po,

**[01:19:45.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001084)  
ang taas po ng kanilang plea bargaining.

**[01:19:47.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001085)  
Dahil pag plea bargaining, mas mabilis po ang proseso, mas maliit ang resources ng gobyerno.

**[01:19:54.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001086)  
So, dahil matitibay yung kasong fina-file.

**[01:19:57.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001087)  
And we see ho the benefit now of our case buildup, Your Honors, with the data we're getting.

**[01:20:05.140] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001088)  
Tama po ba, Secretary Vida, na pagdating sa prosecutorial success rate,

**[01:20:12.360] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001089)  
hindi po kasama doon sa computation yung mga nadi-dismiss na kaso

**[01:20:16.840] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001090)  
dahil let's say, hindi dumating yung mga testigo, let's say drug case,

**[01:20:21.240] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001091)  
yung mga pulis na dapat humarap ay hindi humarap,

**[01:20:24.320] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001092)  
kaya nadismiss na agad ang kaso.

**[01:20:27.840] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001093)  
Is that captured by the PSR?

**[01:20:45.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001094)  
Is that captured?

**[01:20:48.220] DOJ representative** (asr-001095)  
Not captured in the data.

**[01:20:52.240] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001096)  
We need to check. We will submit, Your Honor.

**[01:20:55.270] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001097)  
Well, yeah, yeah.

**[01:20:57.320] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001098)  
Kasi the data would seem to be parang...

**[01:21:01.200] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001099)  
Kaya ako po tinatanong yung, Secretary,

**[01:21:03.840] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001100)  
ay dahil sa experience ko, hindi lang sa drug cases, pati na rin sa corruption cases.

**[01:21:09.320] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001101)  
Yung isang lusot na ginagamit ng mga corrupt at ng

**[01:21:12.360] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001102)  
mga criminal, ay they will influence, intimidate, or purchase the witnesses for the prosecution,

**[01:21:19.960] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001103)  
hindi na sila haharap, at kung hindi naka-capture yan ng PSR,

**[01:21:24.200] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001104)  
then malaking bagay po iyon na hindi natin namo-monitor,

**[01:21:28.360] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001105)  
which I think is very important for the DOJ to monitor.

**[01:21:33.730] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001106)  
Completely agree with that, Your Honor.

**[01:21:35.680] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001107)  
We will do that, Your Honor.

**[01:21:37.260] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001108)  
Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

**[01:21:39.080] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001109)  
I think I have a minute and 18 seconds left.

**[01:21:42.760] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001110)  
Nabanggit niyo kanina na hindi lang naman ninyo trabaho yung anti-corruption,

**[01:21:46.440] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001111)  
and tama-tama po kayo doon.

**[01:21:48.360] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001112)  
It's also the job of the Office of the Ombudsman, as well as the Anti-Money Laundering Council, among others.

**[01:21:54.560] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001113)  
Kayo po ba ay nag-uusap?

**[01:21:56.520] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001114)  
Do you have a coordination committee or anything like that that discusses, for example, budget that all of you need,

**[01:22:05.600] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001115)  
that discusses things that are needed by the government,

**[01:22:10.640] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001116)  
beyond yung particular...

**[01:22:11.720] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001117)  
department po ninyo, DOJ?

**[01:22:14.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001118)  
What we have now, our engagement with the Office of the Ombudsman,

**[01:22:18.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001119)  
is an existing memorandum of agreement

**[01:22:21.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001120)  
relative to investigation of cases and filing of cases

**[01:22:25.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001121)  
for those salary grade 27 and above

**[01:22:29.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001122)  
for the Office of the Ombudsman and those below

**[01:22:32.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001123)  
to be handled by the Department of Justice.

**[01:22:35.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001124)  
Ang isa pa ho naming engagement with the Office of the Ombudsman now is

**[01:22:39.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001125)  
the possibility of coming up with a code on anti-corruption.

**[01:22:44.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001126)  
This would basically be seeing the learnings that we saw in the recent past,

**[01:22:52.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001127)  
kung paano natin talaga mas mapapatibay yung mga batas natin on anti-corruption.

**[01:22:58.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001128)  
We have an ongoing engagement on that.

**[01:23:01.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001129)  
We have a technical working group, Your Honors,

**[01:23:03.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001130)  
on possibly doing work on possible legislation

**[01:23:08.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001131)  
on coming up with a code on anti-corruption, Your Honors.

**[01:23:11.720] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001132)  
So bale, sa kasalukuyan ay ad hoc lang po

**[01:23:15.040] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001133)  
ang pakikipag-usap ninyo ng AMLA at ng OMB.

**[01:23:19.800] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001134)  
Kaya ako tinatanong yan, because way back in, I think it was 2006,

**[01:23:25.880] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001135)  
I was informed, I learned that there was a study made of the corruption cases

**[01:23:32.320] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001136)  
that went through the Sandiganbayan, at ang nalaman po nila noon

**[01:23:37.400] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001137)  
ay out of 110 persons convicted of graft and corruption cases,

**[01:23:43.320] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001138)  
sa sampu lang, only 10 were found to have been actually inside the jail serving their sentence.

**[01:23:51.360] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001139)  
Ito po yung mga convicted of graft and corruption by final judgment.

**[01:23:56.400] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001140)  
Now, is there, to your knowledge, may I just finish my question, Mr. Chair?

**[01:24:01.880] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001141)  
To your knowledge, is there any centralized system or database

**[01:24:06.560] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001142)  
of the government that is there to keep track na kung yung isang tao ay na-convict ng graft and corruption?

**[01:24:14.120] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001143)  
Kahit sabihin natin, ibang mga criminal cases, at in-appeal niya yung kanyang conviction,

**[01:24:23.560] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001144)  
later na-affirm yung kanyang conviction, namu-monitor ba natin kung talagang nakukulong yung nakonvict?

**[01:24:29.840] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001145)  
Kaya ako po, let me just finish. The reason I ask is because not one agency can keep track of this.

**[01:24:35.680] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001146)  
Hindi kaya ng DOJ yan, hindi kaya ng Ombudsman, hindi kaya ng NBP or ng ating nasa DILG.

**[01:24:43.680] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001147)  
So, shouldn't there be a consolidated effort by our government?

**[01:24:49.800] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001148)  
Because sayang naman yung milyong-milyones na ginagastos niyo pang-prosecute ng isang tao kung hindi naman pala nakukulong?

**[01:24:56.800] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001149)  
Hindi po ba?

**[01:24:57.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001150)  
Yes, I completely agree po. Sa particular directive or legal framework should be brought out

**[01:25:04.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001152)  
so that those... I completely agree, Your Honor. Ang isa po namin, from our end, which I've initiated po,

**[01:25:12.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001153)  
we just had a meeting with my regional prosecutors and si PG Dong, is basically to monitor yung mga sinampahan namin ng kaso,

**[01:25:23.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001154)  
alin yung mga naka-archive doon, dahil at large yung mga akusado. That's something we can look within the DOJ.

**[01:25:32.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001155)  
Kaya po, nasa poder ko po yun. Pero I completely agree with you, Your Honor.

**[01:25:37.600] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001156)  
We need to look at yung mga convictions, kung sino talaga yung nahatulan ng sentensya at nakakulong.

**[01:25:45.440] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001157)  
Thank you so much, Secretary Vida. Sana kayo po ang maging pambato nitong talagang kinakailangan natin pagdating sa corruption.

**[01:25:52.600] Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno** (asr-001158)  
Thank you so much, Chair Mike.

**[01:25:55.180] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001159)  
Thank you po, Representative Chel Diokno. Next in line from the majority, Representative Brian Poe.

**[01:26:03.880] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001160)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I'd like to start with some questions for the NBI.

**[01:26:11.270] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001161)  
Mr. Chair, I want to ask the NBI, if the NBI has any funding for representatives or attaches in embassies abroad.

**[01:26:26.060] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001162)  
Based on RA 10867, Section 7F, the NBI is allowed to have an attaché or representative.

**[01:26:35.560] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001164)  
However, the funding, according to the law, must come from the NBI.

**[01:26:41.900] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001165)  
I want to ask if in this year's budget, is there an allocation for the NBI?

**[01:26:47.400] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001166)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Wala po. And I'm very thankful that you raised that issue because that is one of the future plans that the NBI is looking at,

**[01:26:57.740] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001167)  
that we put NBI attachés in at least yung selected po muna na mga areas.

**[01:27:02.430] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001168)  
Because dito po sa atin, sa Pilipinas.

**[01:27:04.310] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001169)  
Yung mga embassies from Europe and the U.S. Embassy itself, meron po silang mga counterparts.

**[01:27:11.830] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001170)  
It's been helping us to address transnational crimes.

**[01:27:14.650] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001171)  
So thank you for raising that issue.

**[01:27:17.470] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001172)  
And kasama po sana sa wish list namin iyan na mapalagay po.

**[01:27:22.170] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001173)  
And I'll take advantage also to request because we want to increase the number of agents.

**[01:27:27.810] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001174)  
Because if we will comply with that, we need additional agents.

**[01:27:31.560] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001175)  
Right now, for the benefit of this committee po and everybody,

**[01:27:36.260] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-001176)  
I'd like to tell you that ang NBI agents po namin sa buong Pilipinas is only about 300 persons lang po.

**[01:27:45.660] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001177)  
Mr. Chair, this is quite alarming, no?

**[01:27:50.580] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001178)  
Na our NBI doesn't have funding for any international agents or representatives to be attached to any of our embassies.

**[01:27:59.430] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001179)  
Mr. Chair, if I could remind the committee.

**[01:28:01.390] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001180)  
If I could remind the committee of all the responsibilities of the NBI going after

**[01:28:05.330] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001181)  
POGOs, scam networks, cyber fraud, online gambling, Interpol cases, human trafficking,

**[01:28:12.210] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001182)  
online sexual exploitation of children, the list goes on.

**[01:28:16.150] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001183)  
And yet we haven't given a single centavo for a single attaché representative abroad.

**[01:28:22.050] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001184)  
That's absolutely ridiculous, Mr. Chair.

**[01:28:25.000] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001185)  
And I feel that it's something that we should look into as we continue on this.

**[01:28:30.900] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001186)  
This deliberation on the appropriations for the Department of Justice.

**[01:28:34.830] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001187)  
Because, as our colleague here Representative Chel Diokno was saying about accountability and investigation,

**[01:28:42.700] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001188)  
how are we supposed to go after international fugitives if we don't even have funding for NBI representatives abroad?

**[01:28:50.560] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001189)  
Mr. Chair, I feel that this is one thing that we should take into consideration for this budget season.

**[01:28:56.460] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001190)  
Thank you, NBI Director po.

**[01:29:00.400] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001191)  
Next is I'd like to ask about what we're doing for our kababayans who don't have access to legal aid.

**[01:29:09.250] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001192)  
I believe meron tayong, and we were able to fund it last year, I believe, around 8 million pesos more or less

**[01:29:16.130] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001193)  
for the DOJ Action Center or yung tinatawag natin Katarungan Caravan.

**[01:29:22.030] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001194)  
Based on my numbers, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Secretary, you're currently at around 15,000 people who have been

**[01:29:29.900] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001195)  
served so far in 2026.

**[01:29:31.870] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001196)  
This is well on its way to surpassing the numbers from last year of 25,000 served.

**[01:29:37.770] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001197)  
Is this correct?

**[01:29:39.730] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001198)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[01:29:41.700] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001199)  
Basically, this is the access to legal services.

**[01:29:44.660] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001200)  
But of course, the primary agency is the Public Attorney's Office, na nagpapasalamat kami.

**[01:29:52.550] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001201)  
Pero nakita po natin kasi yung puwang sa serbisyo.

**[01:29:56.900] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001202)  
At siguro, ang lagi ko hong binibigay niyan—I was interviewed—bakit naging verb yung Tulfo?

**[01:30:06.900] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001203)  
'Ipapa-Tulfo kita.' And I give credit to the Tulfo siblings kasi meron pong kulang na serbisyo.

**[01:30:14.740] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001204)  
At ito po yung pilit na pinupunuan. Kabahagi po dito yung DOJ Katarungan Caravan.

**[01:30:21.470] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001205)  
Sa atin pong pag-ikot sa buong Pilipinas para ilapit yung serbisyo on legal services sa ating mga kababayan,

**[01:30:30.860] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001206)  
nakita natin na meron talagang puwang na pwedeng punuan.

**[01:30:35.290] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001207)  
Pero para ho maging resilient at saka maging permanent po yung sistema ng serbisyo,

**[01:30:43.300] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001208)  
ang plano po natin ay, maliban na lang siya na parang ad hoc o task force, yung DOJ Katarungan Caravan

**[01:30:49.850] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001209)  
maging permanente ito sa bawat opisina ng DOJ.

**[01:30:53.930] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001210)  
Ito po yung sa ating 250 prosecutorial offices nationwide na na-establish.

**[01:31:00.500] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001211)  
ang pinipilit po namin ngayon ay mag-set up kami ng protocols on this legal service

**[01:31:06.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001212)  
para po yung bawat opisina sa bawat probinsya, sa bawat city at sa bawat region

**[01:31:12.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001213)  
ay may madudulugan na yung ating mga kababayan. Yung serbisyo,

**[01:31:19.430] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001214)  
yung puwang na iyon na free legal service.

**[01:31:21.340] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001215)  
Kaya nga po sa pagdedesign namin ng mga opisina ngayon, Your Honor,

**[01:31:25.230] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001216)  
pinipilit namin na kasama natin sa design yung DOJ Action Center

**[01:31:31.790] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001217)  
or ang gusto nga ho namin sanang matawag ito ay para ho may ownership yung mga kababayan natin

**[01:31:37.140] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001218)  
ay DOJ Katarungan Office o DOJKO.

**[01:31:40.900] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001219)  
Kasi sa dulo po itong serbisyong ito sa kababayan naman natin ito

**[01:31:44.910] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001220)  
para ho mas mapalapit natin yung serbisyo, Your Honor.

**[01:31:49.670] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001221)  
Mr. Chair,

**[01:31:52.080] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001222)  
I was asking about this program kasi para sa mga kababayan natin,

**[01:31:55.880] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001223)  
malaking gastos po to go to their lawyers,

**[01:31:59.460] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001224)  
to go to centers of commerce where they can access legal services.

**[01:32:04.000] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001225)  
Kaya maganda yung programa ng DOJ and the fact that the DOJ, I believe,

**[01:32:07.920] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001226)  
has opened around nine new Katarungan regional centers.

**[01:32:13.160] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001227)  
Are we going to be opening more in the years to come?

**[01:32:16.390] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001228)  
Do we have funding for this, Secretary?

**[01:32:18.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001229)  
Yes.

**[01:32:19.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001230)  
This is part.

**[01:32:20.350] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001231)  
Actually, yung ating optimization plan for the Department of Justice

**[01:32:25.100] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001232)  
so that it's rather than a secretary-initiated program,

**[01:32:31.150] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001233)  
inilatag na po namin ito sa DBM

**[01:32:34.460] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001234)  
for the optimization plan for the Department of Justice

**[01:32:40.540] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001235)  
para may kaukulang plantilya, may kaukulang resources

**[01:32:45.970] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001236)  
para nga po yung 250 field offices natin

**[01:32:49.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001237)  
magkaroon po ng ganitong serbisyo.

**[01:32:52.600] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001238)  
Mr. Chair, the reason why I'm bringing this up also is

**[01:32:55.400] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001239)  
because with such a limited budget of only around 8 million pesos

**[01:32:58.450] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001240)  
under the office of the Secretary

**[01:33:00.120] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001241)  
for the Katarungan Caravan and the DOJ Action Center,

**[01:33:04.520] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001242)  
they've been able to help more than 15,000 people as of date now.

**[01:33:08.550] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001243)  
They're on track to help more than 25,000 people by the end of the year.

**[01:33:12.490] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001244)  
Mr. Chair, you realize that per person,

**[01:33:14.180] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001245)  
that means that the government is only,

**[01:33:16.060] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001246)  
spending about 250 to 300 pesos per person for legal assistance.

**[01:33:20.390] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001247)  
The average lawyer would charge you more than 1,000 to 3,000 pesos an hour.

**[01:33:25.410] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001248)  
The government is doing good for the people with such a limited fund.

**[01:33:29.140] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001249)  
I'm hoping that in this year's budget,

**[01:33:31.240] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001250)  
we will be able to increase the Secretary's capability

**[01:33:33.930] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001251)  
to touch base with the poorest of the poor

**[01:33:35.880] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001252)  
and help them with legal services.

**[01:33:37.980] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001253)  
And with that, Mr. Chair,

**[01:33:38.940] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001254)  
I only have one last set of questions.

**[01:33:42.790] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001255)  
I have a question for the Public Attorney's Office.

**[01:33:44.570] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001256)  
So, for PAO.

**[01:33:46.360] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001257)  
For PAO, this is really the bedrock of our public service.

**[01:33:50.810] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001258)  
I believe currently our goal is one attorney, one court.

**[01:33:55.270] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001259)  
Are we able to uphold that with our current budget?

**[01:34:16.570] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001260)  
Thank you for your question, Mr. Chair.

**[01:34:19.560] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001261)  
We have now some district offices

**[01:34:23.560] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001262)  
which I can deploy one-to-one per court,

**[01:34:27.550] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001263)  
but we're still lacking,

**[01:34:29.550] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001264)  
because PAO doesn't handle only criminal cases.

**[01:34:32.540] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001265)  
We have labor cases.

**[01:34:33.540] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001266)  
We have counterparts also served by the Office of the Solicitor General.

**[01:34:38.530] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001267)  
We have preliminary investigation cases.

**[01:34:41.520] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001268)  
And we are asking for additional 559 items.

**[01:34:46.510] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001269)  
And we hope the son of my friend, Senator Grace Poe,

**[01:34:51.500] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001270)  
will request the august halls of Congress

**[01:34:56.490] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001271)  
to fulfill this deficiency.

**[01:34:58.490] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001272)  
And we are very supportive of the Katarungan Caravan

**[01:35:01.480] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001273)  
because we're sending lawyers to assist

**[01:35:03.480] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001274)  
our honorable Undersecretary Margarita Gutierrez,

**[01:35:06.480] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001275)  
who happened to be my student at Ateneo Law School

**[01:35:09.470] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001276)  
and one of my best students.

**[01:35:12.460] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001277)  
So, we are requesting that this hall will insert this deficiency

**[01:35:19.450] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001278)  
because we have not only two agencies which are our counterparts,

**[01:35:24.440] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001279)  
OSG, NPS, but also the private practitioners

**[01:35:28.430] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001280)  
who are worthy opponents of PAO.

**[01:35:30.430] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001281)  
And I'm very happy that the question was propounded today.

**[01:35:34.420] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001282)  
Thank you.

**[01:35:35.780] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001283)  
Thank you.

**[01:35:36.760] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001284)  
Mr. Chair, the reason why I asked about that

**[01:35:38.730] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001285)  
is because PAO's budget for fiscal year 2026

**[01:35:42.670] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001286)  
was 6.6 billion, more or less.

**[01:35:45.620] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001287)  
This year, in the NEP, it's 7.1 billion.

**[01:35:48.570] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001288)  
There's an increase of about 400 million pesos.

**[01:35:51.520] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001289)  
Is this for the items that you requested?

**[01:35:55.440] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001290)  
I'm sorry, sir.

**[01:35:57.340] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001291)  
That's not the purpose of those increases.

**[01:36:00.200] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001292)  
But the mandatory increases of SSL VI,

**[01:36:03.050] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001293)  
also, I think there are...

**[01:36:07.810] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001294)  
for the lawyers in addition to the 87 lawyers that were included last year.

**[01:36:13.470] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001295)  
So, these are not new creations but past creations by the DBM.

**[01:36:18.320] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001296)  
So, it's just funding for your past creations?

**[01:36:21.220] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001297)  
Yes, deficiencies, Your Honor.

**[01:36:22.330] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001298)  
Ah, okay.

**[01:36:23.450] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001299)  
So, that's why there's an increase of 400 million?

**[01:36:25.680] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001300)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[01:36:26.650] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001301)  
Because the salary now of our lawyers being hired

**[01:36:30.510] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001302)  
is at par with the new prosecutors,

**[01:36:33.400] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001303)  
around six digits per month

**[01:36:35.330] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001304)  
because of the number of cases we're handling.

**[01:36:38.230] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001305)  
In fact, we're happy to tell you that we have served

**[01:36:40.160] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001306)  
16 million Filipino people last year.

**[01:36:42.090] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001307)  
And now, about, I think, 6 million Filipino people as of June.

**[01:36:49.600] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001308)  
Mr. Chair, the reason why I'm asking

**[01:36:51.580] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001309)  
whether or not there's sufficient funding,

**[01:36:53.570] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001310)  
if we're asking for additional items pa,

**[01:36:55.550] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001311)  
kulang pa itong budget na nakita natin sa NEP, no?

**[01:36:59.520] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001312)  
We actually need to increase it.

**[01:37:01.510] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001313)  
Hopefully, and I do hope that the PAO is able to assign more

**[01:37:06.470] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001314)  
to the Katarungan Caravan and to our outreach services through the DOJ.

**[01:37:11.430] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001315)  
Hopefully, yung mga additional items po natin

**[01:37:13.420] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001316)  
can be assigned to grassroots work na kailangan na kailangan na mga kababayan natin.

**[01:37:19.960] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001317)  
Yes, Your Honor, we commit to that.

**[01:37:21.960] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001318)  
And we are also serving the DMW.

**[01:37:24.960] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001319)  
And the OWWA.

**[01:37:26.970] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001320)  
Because we are called upon by these two departments and agencies

**[01:37:29.970] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-001321)  
to assist our OFWs abroad, personally by our PAO lawyers.

**[01:37:34.410] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001322)  
Nako, Mr. Chair, I'm so happy to hear that PAO is going to be working closely

**[01:37:39.280] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001323)  
with the DOJAC to be able to provide more for kababayans with legal assistance.

**[01:37:44.160] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001324)  
Mr. Chair, I just want to reiterate my support

**[01:37:47.080] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001325)  
for the budget of the Department of Justice.

**[01:37:50.010] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001326)  
I feel that this is one of the ways that we can really make our presence felt.

**[01:37:53.910] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001327)  
Para sa mga kababayan natin.

**[01:37:55.860] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001328)  
Through their legal aid, legal services,

**[01:37:58.780] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001329)  
and through the protection of our mga kababayan

**[01:38:01.700] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001330)  
who are affected by scams, fraud, sexual violence, etc.

**[01:38:06.580] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001331)  
Mr. Chair, with that being said, I also want to point out that

**[01:38:10.480] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001332)  
I'm glad that I'm able to work with PAO in this capacity

**[01:38:14.380] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001333)  
because once upon a time, I was a reporter in her office back in 2013.

**[01:38:19.250] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001334)  
So it's good to see that she hasn't given up her drive for public service.

**[01:38:23.150] Rep. Brian Poe** (asr-001335)  
Thank you.

**[01:38:26.770] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001336)  
Thank you po, Representative Brian Poe.

**[01:38:30.280] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001337)  
Next in line, from the minority, Representative Renee Louise Co.

**[01:38:36.946] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001338)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[01:38:40.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001339)  
here today. At gusto ko lang din pong mag-take off sa

**[01:38:44.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001340)  
line of questioning that was already established no iyung

**[01:38:48.239] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001341)  
essentially paano natin na-insensure naba-balance nabibilang

**[01:38:52.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001342)  
yung convictions given iyung mga cases that we've filed.

**[01:38:56.560] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001343)  
No, we note that may bagong evidentiary standard for

**[01:38:59.560] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001344)  
prosecutors since 2024. dati probable cause

**[01:39:03.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001345)  
dapat yung um evidentially threshold bago

**[01:39:07.880] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001346)  
dumulog sa korte yung kaso pero ngayon it's reasonable certainty

**[01:39:11.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001347)  
of conviction and tama po ba ah kasi this was in your press release

**[01:39:15.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001348)  
as well this was changed because of longstanding

**[01:39:19.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001349)  
challenges in the justice system iyung weak cases that overburden

**[01:39:22.960] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001350)  
trials and erode public trust. Is this correct?

**[01:39:28.398] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001351)  
Opo. Maraming salamat po sa katanungan. your honor. Ah, tama po kayo na ang

**[01:39:33.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001352)  
layunin po nito ay para bago magsampa ng kaso ang sinumang

**[01:39:37.719] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001353)  
fiscal sa Pilipinas, ibig sabihin handa na ang prosecution.

**[01:39:42.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001354)  
handa ng prosecution na manalo. At may isa pa hong kadahilanan dito.

**[01:39:46.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001355)  
Ang napansin po kasi natin sa nakaraang kasaysayan natin about

**[01:39:51.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001356)  
filing cases sa mga may kakayanang kasing kumuha ng

**[01:39:55.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001357)  
abogado dahil probable cause yung ano pwede kang maging biktima

**[01:40:00.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001358)  
lang ng pagfa-file ng maraming kaso. Pero dahil dito po sa

**[01:40:05.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001359)  
mas may wider latitude ang ating mga fiskal, ang ating mga prosecutors

**[01:40:10.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001360)  
to fully assess na ang isasampalang kaso ay yung kayang

**[01:40:14.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001361)  
ipanalo or malamang mananalo sa korte.

**[01:40:18.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001362)  
Hindi ngayon nagiging game kasi ang napakahirap po ngayon ay yung kumuha ng abogado.

**[01:40:23.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001363)  
Mahal po kumuha ng abogado. So kung ikaw ay bibiktimahin ng isang

**[01:40:28.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001364)  
individwal o isang grupo na may kakayanang kumuha ng abogado,

**[01:40:33.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001365)  
dehado ka na dahil sa probable cause. Pero dahil dito po sa

**[01:40:38.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001366)  
Freema Fachi evidence with reasonable certainty of conviction, medyo

**[01:40:42.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001367)  
nabalanse po natin. At ito po ay kinilala na ng ating korte

**[01:40:46.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001368)  
suprema na ito ay kaakibat sa mandato ng DOJ bilang

**[01:40:51.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001369)  
executive na nasa poder ng DOJ ang mag

**[01:40:56.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001370)  
ah maghusga kung aling kaso ang itutuloy

**[01:41:01.199] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001371)  
at aling kasong krimen ang hindi itutuloy. Maraming salamat po.

**[01:41:05.665] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001372)  
Ah Mr. Chair, napansin natin sa

**[01:41:08.119] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001373)  
kanilang report na merong disposition rate.

**[01:41:11.199] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001374)  
May changes po ba in for example

**[01:41:13.119] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001375)  
filing rates or conviction rates?

**[01:41:15.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001376)  
Dahil nga po sinabi na medyo ma-stricter iyung standard.

**[01:41:18.639] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001377)  
Is there less there are there

**[01:41:20.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001378)  
less cases filed in court now?

**[01:41:23.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001379)  
Mas mataas po ba ang conviction rate? Mr. Chair,

**[01:41:26.624] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001380)  
If I may ask the Prosecutor General to respond.

**[01:41:33.205] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001381)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

**[01:41:39.560] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001382)  
filed, mas kokunti po ang umaakyat na kaso ngayon dahil ang ginagawa po ng inyong Department of Justice

**[01:41:45.960] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001383)  
ay bago pa ho ito maisampa sa amin, hindi naman po kaagad yan dina-docket kaagad sa

**[01:41:52.000] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001384)  
isang criminal case. Ini-evaluate muna to at kung kulang po ang ebidensya, ito po'y ibinabalik namin para

**[01:41:58.520] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001385)  
buuin ang ebidensya. Kung kami naman po ay uh sa tingin po ng after evaluation

**[01:42:04.440] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001386)  
makikita po na sapat na ang ebidensya parang ito'y masampa, saka pa lamang po namin yan iaakyat sa hhusgado.

**[01:42:11.719] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001387)  
Ang kagandahan po nito ay dahil sa sa maagang panahon, ang inyong prosecution

**[01:42:17.320] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001388)  
service at ang ating mga law enforcement ay nag-uusap na po para malaman kung ano yung mga

**[01:42:23.239] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001389)  
kailangang ebidensya na maipresenta sa hhusgado para pagdating po nito sa hhusgado, natitiyak po natin

**[01:42:29.920] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001390)  
na itong kaso na pong ito ay tatagal at ito po ay kayang makakuha ng conviction.

**[01:42:35.639] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001391)  
So there are fewer cases which are actually being filed but these are I would call and classify them as quality cases. Ma'am

**[01:42:43.186] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001392)  
Mr. Chair, puwede po bang makakuha ng numbers tungkol dito?

**[01:42:47.719] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001393)  
May disposition rate naman na po. So siguro conviction rates and filing rates to supplement yung

**[01:42:53.080] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001394)  
ganon numbers. Meron po ba or can this be submitted to the committee? Mr. Chair?

**[01:42:58.660] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001395)  
Yes, your honor. Ah, iyung cases na binanggit namin iyong 395,000, ito po iyung preliminary investigation.

**[01:43:06.880] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001396)  
After a resolution for a preliminary investigation, meron pong for filing at merong for dismissal.

**[01:43:14.159] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001397)  
We will share that data. We will we need to disaggregate iyung data po namin na available. Yes, we will make that available your honor. Okay.

**[01:43:20.851] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001398)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I share the concern ano uh from the Department of Justice. Ayaw natin na may mga kaso

**[01:43:29.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001399)  
na essentially madi-dismiss lang din naman. Sayang po sa oras, sayang po sa pera. And I have to raise yung mga ilang cases that

**[01:43:37.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001400)  
have been uh notified to my office no na ah ang dulo po nito maraming na-disms, no?

**[01:43:44.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001401)  
Marami pong to our knowledge terrorist financing cases that despite it being filed by the court, filed by the officer of

**[01:43:53.239] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001402)  
This year, iyong case ng CERNET, it was dismissed because of lack of jurisdiction.

**[01:44:01.880] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001403)  
People v. Muñoz, People v. Aliques, People v. Estolioso, People v. Lemita—marami po sa kanila may defects.

**[01:44:09.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001404)  
Muñoz people versus Aliquez people versus Estolioso people versus Lamita na marami po sa kanila may defects

**[01:44:17.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001405)  
on uh jurisdiction and in the last case I mention po um yung prosecutor ni-request na mag-submit ng additional

**[01:44:26.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001406)  
data at hindi po ito na ibigay and wala pong additional communication so dinismiss na lang po ng court. So ang tanong ko po Mr.

**[01:44:34.239] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001407)  
Chair ah bakit po ganito nangyayari no? May mas mataas ng um threshold, evidentially

**[01:44:42.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001408)  
threshhold and the court will dismiss them no? Because hindi naman na-meet or walang primafch case at all.

**[01:44:55.250] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001409)  
Mr.

**[01:44:57.199] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001410)  
Chair, there are instances ho talaga

**[01:44:59.320] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001411)  
na kahit na po sa tingin ng prosecutor

**[01:45:01.199] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001412)  
after evaluating the evidence that it is

**[01:45:03.000] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001413)  
sufficient, we're still looking

**[01:45:05.360] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001414)  
at a variable which is how the court would view it.

**[01:45:08.400] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001415)  
There are so many factors

**[01:45:09.400] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001416)  
that can be considered when a case

**[01:45:11.360] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001417)  
and how a case will be decided.

**[01:45:13.639] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001418)  
We in the prosecution are

**[01:45:15.119] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001419)  
convinced with the evidence that we present

**[01:45:17.119] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001420)  
before the court that it will meet the standard

**[01:45:19.239] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001421)  
of proof beyond reasonable doubt.

**[01:45:21.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001422)  
Pero meron pong mga factors talaga

**[01:45:23.400] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001423)  
na hindi po or beyond our

**[01:45:25.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001424)  
control and which becomes the basis

**[01:45:27.440] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001425)  
of the court when rendering judgment.

**[01:45:29.960] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001426)  
But uh also

**[01:45:31.320] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001427)  
Ma'am,

**[01:45:32.960] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001428)  
uh ma'am that

**[01:45:35.360] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001429)  
in this particular there are instances

**[01:45:37.400] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001430)  
wherein there are really cases na

**[01:45:39.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001431)  
halimbawa ho naisampa dumating

**[01:45:41.440] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001432)  
ho sa hhusgado pero nadi-disms.

**[01:45:44.239] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001433)  
Marami hong dahilan diyan.

**[01:45:45.719] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001434)  
Hindi ho sumisipot ang testigo.

**[01:45:47.880] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001435)  
Wala na pong ebidensya

**[01:45:49.199] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001436)  
because I have to point out

**[01:45:51.040] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001437)  
also that the prosecutor is only as

**[01:45:53.159] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001438)  
good as the evidence that he has on hand.

**[01:45:55.800] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001439)  
So kaya nga gusto po namin

**[01:45:57.440] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001440)  
habang sa pinakamaagang

**[01:45:58.840] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001441)  
pagkakataon hawak na po natin 'yung

**[01:46:01.199] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001442)  
ebidensya ng kung sa gayon pagdating sa

**[01:46:03.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001443)  
hhusgado kung ito'y hihingi

**[01:46:05.360] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001444)  
ng ating hukom ito

**[01:46:07.199] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001445)  
po y agad-agad nating maipresinta.

**[01:46:10.715] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001446)  
Ang napansin ko rin po Mr.

**[01:46:12.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001447)  
Chair, in this recent string

**[01:46:14.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001448)  
of cases that were dismissed,

**[01:46:16.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001449)  
um there is one legal

**[01:46:18.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001450)  
argument na pinanghawakan

**[01:46:20.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001451)  
na in

**[01:46:22.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001452)  
one ruling ay the court

**[01:46:24.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001453)  
said hindi po ito

**[01:46:26.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001454)  
magfa-fly na legal argument and

**[01:46:28.719] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001455)  
I think this string of cases yun na

**[01:46:30.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001456)  
po iyung argument sa kanila

**[01:46:32.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001457)  
no na walang jurisdiction etc.

**[01:46:34.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001458)  
So I guess my question would

**[01:46:36.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001459)  
be given na may gann ng

**[01:46:38.560] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001460)  
uh findings yung courts,

**[01:46:40.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001461)  
will the DOJ

**[01:46:42.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001462)  
dismiss or withdraw cases

**[01:46:44.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001463)  
that are allegedly lacking

**[01:46:46.199] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001464)  
insufficient legal basis or

**[01:46:48.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001465)  
founded on fabricated evidence?

**[01:46:50.159] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001466)  
Lalo na for example these cases

**[01:46:52.119] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001467)  
were filed before nagbago

**[01:46:54.239] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001468)  
iyung standard no?

**[01:46:55.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001469)  
Hindi na reasonable uh

**[01:46:58.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001470)  
certainty of conviction pero

**[01:46:59.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001471)  
ngayon binago, chineck parang

**[01:47:02.080] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001472)  
hindi naman pumapasa doon.

**[01:47:04.080] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001473)  
Will the DOJ uh

**[01:47:06.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001474)  
dismiss or withdraw these cases?

**[01:47:09.338] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001475)  
In answer to your question, Ma'am,

**[01:47:11.520] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001476)  
Definitely if these cases

**[01:47:13.119] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001477)  
were filed before the

**[01:47:14.920] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001478)  
department adopted the new quantum

**[01:47:16.679] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001479)  
of evidence, we will certainly scrutinize

**[01:47:18.760] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001480)  
it before it actually

**[01:47:20.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001481)  
is elevated to court.

**[01:47:22.400] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001482)  
There is of course during the evaluation

**[01:47:24.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001483)  
the opportunity to assert

**[01:47:25.840] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001484)  
whether we will elevate it or

**[01:47:27.679] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001485)  
we will send it back for purposes of

**[01:47:29.560] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001486)  
gathering additional evidence.

**[01:47:31.360] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001487)  
So you can be assured madam

**[01:47:33.000] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001488)  
uh uh madam

**[01:47:34.719] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001489)  
that when we do evaluate our

**[01:47:36.840] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001490)  
cases we will look at the evidence which

**[01:47:38.639] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001491)  
is on hand at the time of the

**[01:47:40.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001492)  
filing and then on the basis

**[01:47:42.400] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001493)  
of the same make our assessment whether

**[01:47:44.360] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001494)  
it will be sufficient to bring

**[01:47:46.040] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001495)  
it forward to the court.

**[01:47:47.639] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001496)  
If we find that the evidence is insufficient

**[01:47:49.840] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001497)  
rest assured that the department

**[01:47:51.639] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001498)  
will not also elevate these cases

**[01:47:53.480] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001499)  
we have to meet.

**[01:47:56.183] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001500)  
How about Mr.

**[01:47:57.239] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001501)  
Chair yung mga cases that are currently pending with the

**[01:48:00.199] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001502)  
court pero upon review ay hindi

**[01:48:02.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001503)  
naman na po papasa doon sa bagong

**[01:48:04.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001504)  
evidentiary threshold.

**[01:48:06.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001505)  
At siguro I'd like to thank the

**[01:48:07.960] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001506)  
DOJ last year nag-request

**[01:48:10.239] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001507)  
tayo ng data kung ano na po yung mga

**[01:48:12.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001508)  
na-file na or ano na po

**[01:48:14.239] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001509)  
iyong status ng cases under the

**[01:48:16.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001510)  
DOG task force on

**[01:48:18.199] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001511)  
counterterrorism.

**[01:48:19.560] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001512)  
Shineer po na kalahati niyan ay pending no.

**[01:48:23.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001513)  
Pero may some

**[01:48:24.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001514)  
1/5 that were dismissed

**[01:48:26.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001515)  
because of insufficiency of evidence.

**[01:48:28.880] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001516)  
So that was before

**[01:48:30.119] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001517)  
iyung standard na to no.

**[01:48:31.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001518)  
So but there's still half no.

**[01:48:33.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001519)  
And these are people na sa

**[01:48:36.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001520)  
pag kausap sa

**[01:48:38.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001521)  
kanila, you know, from

**[01:48:40.199] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001522)  
marginalized sectors, marginalized communities,

**[01:48:42.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001523)  
tumutulong sa kapwa communities and may na

**[01:48:44.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001524)  
masama yung ganito.

**[01:48:45.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001525)  
So ayaw lang nating maipit at mas mahirapan

**[01:48:48.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001526)  
pa yung tuloy-tuloy nilang

**[01:48:50.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001527)  
ah pagkabuhay

**[01:48:52.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001528)  
and mas nahihirapan pa

**[01:48:54.199] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001529)  
ng overburdensome

**[01:48:56.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001530)  
na court proceedings.

**[01:48:58.119] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001531)  
So will the DOJ, Mr.

**[01:49:00.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001532)  
chair no review spending cases

**[01:49:02.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001533)  
kahit hindi pa siya for elevation. M

**[01:49:04.561] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001534)  
well definitely it's a challenge po

**[01:49:06.599] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001535)  
for the department na when there are

**[01:49:08.440] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001536)  
cases which are already pending in

**[01:49:10.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001537)  
court prior to the adoption of the

**[01:49:12.480] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001538)  
new quantum of evidence because it's not something

**[01:49:14.599] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001539)  
that you can just withdraw

**[01:49:16.679] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001540)  
especially when the proceedings are already ongoing.

**[01:49:19.679] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001541)  
Now ang sa amin

**[01:49:20.480] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001542)  
naman po dito is that hindi naman

**[01:49:22.560] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001543)  
po basta basta sinasampa yung kaso.

**[01:49:24.679] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001544)  
Ang gusto nating maunawaan ng ating mga

**[01:49:26.440] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001545)  
kababayan, Madam Sherry, is that

**[01:49:28.560] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001546)  
ah yun ho ang

**[01:49:30.400] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001547)  
problema naging problema natin dun sa

**[01:49:32.320] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001548)  
dating quantum of evidence.

**[01:49:34.000] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001549)  
probable cause. Ang ang ibig sabihin lang

**[01:49:36.480] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001550)  
po niyan may posibilidad

**[01:49:38.679] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001551)  
na yung taong inaakusahan

**[01:49:40.360] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001552)  
ay may kinalaman doon sa ginawang krimen.

**[01:49:43.360] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001553)  
Dahil itinaas po

**[01:49:44.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001554)  
natin yung antas no ng

**[01:49:46.119] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001555)  
ah ebidensya na kailangan,

**[01:49:48.400] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001556)  
mas masusi na pong natitingnan ngayon.

**[01:49:50.719] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001557)  
At least masasabi po namin

**[01:49:52.480] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001558)  
yan tungkol doon sa mga

**[01:49:54.199] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001559)  
kasong isinasampa ngayon.

**[01:49:56.199] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001560)  
For those cases which are in court, yes, we

**[01:49:58.320] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001561)  
will of course take into

**[01:50:00.520] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001562)  
consideration kung ano man po ang

**[01:50:02.199] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001563)  
naging obserbasyon ng hhusgado.

**[01:50:04.320] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001564)  
Pero may nabanggit po kayo kanina

**[01:50:06.280] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001565)  
ma'am like for example yung sa

**[01:50:08.080] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001566)  
Sirnet no na

**[01:50:10.119] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001567)  
yes that was the decision of the regional

**[01:50:12.400] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001568)  
trial court but of course the

**[01:50:14.119] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001569)  
department also has other options

**[01:50:16.440] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001570)  
which is to elevate the matter on

**[01:50:18.440] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001571)  
surchay if we feel

**[01:50:20.239] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001572)  
that there was a mistake no

**[01:50:22.080] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001573)  
or grave abuse committed by the court.

**[01:50:24.639] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001574)  
So those are things which are

**[01:50:26.320] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001575)  
available to us at ginagamit po ng

**[01:50:28.199] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001576)  
department para matiyak

**[01:50:29.920] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001577)  
natin na iyung tamang

**[01:50:32.080] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001578)  
hustisya ang makuha ng kung sino man.

**[01:50:35.618] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001579)  
Thank you for your answer.

**[01:50:38.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001580)  
And I ang dulo naman

**[01:50:39.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001581)  
po nito, I hope na ma-consider iyon.

**[01:50:41.920] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001582)  
Ah and siguro

**[01:50:43.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001583)  
ah given that I have lacking

**[01:50:45.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001584)  
30 seconds left na lang po.

**[01:50:47.279] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001585)  
Last question na, Rep. Renee.

**[01:50:48.359] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001586)  
Okay. Uh my last question.

**[01:50:50.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001587)  
Uh this is in relation to data submitted by the DOJ

**[01:50:53.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001588)  
din last year.

**[01:50:55.199] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001596)  
Uh manghingi lang din po ako ng update dahil to

**[01:50:58.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001597)  
uh discuss there's like 106 cases

**[01:51:01.719] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001598)  
daw filed by the DOJ on

**[01:51:04.679] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001599)  
by that DOG task force on counterterrorism

**[01:51:06.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001600)  
and terrorism financing.

**[01:51:08.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001601)  
So kung may increase po ng cases na to, wed like to receive

**[01:51:12.239] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001602)  
an update and even iyung breakdown uh

**[01:51:14.880] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001603)  
whether it's dismissed or pending

**[01:51:17.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001604)  
investigation etc. And ang question ko na lang po Mr.

**[01:51:20.960] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001605)  
Chair dito um

**[01:51:23.079] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001606)  
beyond yung task force ng DOJ, is

**[01:51:25.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001607)  
the DOJ working with other government

**[01:51:27.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001608)  
agencies ah para ma

**[01:51:30.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001609)  
magawa yung mga functions in relation to this?

**[01:51:33.679] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001610)  
May joint task force po ba on

**[01:51:36.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001611)  
terrorism or counterterrorism? Mr. Chair.

**[01:51:45.177] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001612)  
Well, our prosecutors, Ma'am, coordinate with the Anti-Terrorism Council,

**[01:51:50.000] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001613)  
counterparts in the military that we uh talk to together with the other

**[01:51:55.920] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001614)  
the intelligence community, no? In helping make sure that the evidence which is actually

**[01:52:00.840] Prosecutor General Richard Anthony Fadullon** (asr-001615)  
gathered and which is brought forward as basis for the filing of these cases are actually sufficient and existing.

**[01:52:07.030] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001616)  
Mr.

**[01:52:07.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001617)  
SH if you would allow me a brief time to reply

**[01:52:10.239] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001618)  
and then maybe make my last question.

**[01:52:12.719] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001619)  
Mr. Chair, you

**[01:52:13.358] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001620)  
You may, Rep. Renee.

**[01:52:15.805] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001621)  
you for your indulgence, Mr. Chair. Mr.

**[01:52:18.079] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001622)  
I'd like to bring up a certain case

**[01:52:19.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001623)  
study dahil

**[01:52:20.960] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001624)  
po it was flagged to

**[01:52:23.560] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001625)  
us na merong isang

**[01:52:25.880] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001626)  
uh Filipino American

**[01:52:28.159] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001627)  
that was here

**[01:52:29.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001628)  
and supposedly uh

**[01:52:31.719] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001629)  
meron pong mga agents of the

**[01:52:33.679] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001630)  
Bureau of Immigration

**[01:52:35.679] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001631)  
that uh

**[01:52:37.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001632)  
sought to arrest her no and then they were

**[01:52:39.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001633)  
wearing vests na nakalagay antiterror

**[01:52:42.119] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001634)  
task force.

**[01:52:43.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001635)  
So this is beyond

**[01:52:45.679] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001636)  
yung DOJ no.

**[01:52:47.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001637)  
meron ng buo of immigration

**[01:52:49.960] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001638)  
and aside from that

**[01:52:51.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001639)  
no inassure siya na

**[01:52:53.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001640)  
overstaying lang iyung charge

**[01:52:55.639] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001641)  
niya but pagdating po sa

**[01:52:57.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001642)  
prosecution naging frustrated

**[01:52:59.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001643)  
murder so

**[01:53:01.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001644)  
ang question natin dito

**[01:53:03.560] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001645)  
mr chair ay ah

**[01:53:06.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001646)  
yun nga po ano

**[01:53:07.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001647)  
po bang mga

**[01:53:10.159] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001648)  
iba't ibang processes

**[01:53:11.639] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001649)  
or even iba't ibang agencies involved

**[01:53:13.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001650)  
sa operations ng DOJ task

**[01:53:15.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001651)  
force ah meron Meron po bang ibang joint

**[01:53:17.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001652)  
task force and ano pong guidelines yung

**[01:53:19.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001653)  
sinusunod nila and paano nila in-ensure na

**[01:53:21.719] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001654)  
yung mga mamamayan or mga taong

**[01:53:23.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001655)  
bayan natin hindi po naa-unburden

**[01:53:25.800] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001656)  
yung kanilang observance of

**[01:53:27.719] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001657)  
Okay.

**[01:53:30.410] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001658)  
Ang ultimate

**[01:53:32.719] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001659)  
salamat po ah your honor.

**[01:53:34.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001660)  
Ang ang pinakabasehan lang naman

**[01:53:36.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001661)  
nito kung ano yung ebidensya at ano yung

**[01:53:38.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001662)  
rule of law, ano yung batas.

**[01:53:40.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001663)  
So sa mga proseso hindi

**[01:53:43.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001664)  
ho perpekto sistema natin

**[01:53:45.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001665)  
syempre sa lahat na yyan tulad ho ngayon

**[01:53:47.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001666)  
sa antiterrorism task force ang DOJ

**[01:53:49.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001667)  
po ang technical ang head ng technical

**[01:53:51.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001668)  
working group doon sa designation

**[01:53:54.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001669)  
pag law enforcement

**[01:53:55.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001670)  
activities marami na pong iba't ibang ahensya

**[01:53:57.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001671)  
diyan tulad ng nabanggit niyo po meron

**[01:53:59.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001672)  
pong ahente ang BI meron

**[01:54:01.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001673)  
pong ahente ang PNP meron

**[01:54:04.199] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001674)  
din pong ahente ang ating NBI

**[01:54:06.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001675)  
na gumaganap sa ganitong iba't

**[01:54:08.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001676)  
ibang tungkulin ang aming pong

**[01:54:10.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001677)  
masisigurado sa Department of

**[01:54:12.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001678)  
Justice no ah kung ito

**[01:54:14.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001679)  
man ay papasok sa aming mandato,

**[01:54:16.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001680)  
titiyakin namin na ito ay base lamang sa ebidensya.

**[01:54:19.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001681)  
Tulad do ngbanggit niyo

**[01:54:21.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001682)  
kanina, sinabi

**[01:54:22.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001683)  
ay ang tinitiyak

**[01:54:25.199] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001684)  
nung immigration

**[01:54:26.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001685)  
officers na ang ano lang is

**[01:54:28.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001686)  
overstaying, then biglang ang naging

**[01:54:31.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001687)  
kaso na ay ah frustrated.

**[01:54:34.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001688)  
Ito naman po ay base lang sa ebidensya.

**[01:54:36.719] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001689)  
Kung kung may

**[01:54:37.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001690)  
pagmamalabis man po yung ating mga

**[01:54:39.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001691)  
ahente ng ah na

**[01:54:41.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001692)  
kapatid natin sa paglilingkod bayan,

**[01:54:44.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001693)  
meron naman pong recourse.

**[01:54:45.639] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001694)  
Pwede pong magsumbong sa Secretary of Justice, sa

**[01:54:48.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001695)  
Bureo, sa Commissioner ng ating

**[01:54:50.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001696)  
Bureau para po ma-correct

**[01:54:52.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001697)  
yung yung maaaring pagkakamali.

**[01:54:55.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001698)  
Pero hindi ko ho masasabi na may

**[01:54:56.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001699)  
pagkakamali na kaagad dahil sa

**[01:54:58.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001700)  
bawat po pagganap namin dun sa tungkulin,

**[01:55:01.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001701)  
syempre kanya-kanya pong

**[01:55:02.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001702)  
pag-appreciate ng kanya-kanyang ebidensya.

**[01:55:06.023] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001703)  
Thank you for yung reply, Mr. Chair.

**[01:55:08.159] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001704)  
Mr. Chair, yung request na lang po natin sa data.

**[01:55:10.599] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001705)  
Sana po ay ma-submit through committee and

**[01:55:12.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001706)  
we will um uh

**[01:55:14.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-001707)  
coordinate po doon sa request natin.

**[01:55:16.823] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001708)  
We will submit, Your Honor.

**[01:55:18.578] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001709)  
Thank you very much.

**[01:55:20.079] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001710)  
Thank you, Rep. Renee Co.

**[01:55:21.400] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001711)  
Next in line from the majority,

**[01:55:24.040] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-001712)  
Representative Jonathan Keith Flores.

**[01:55:27.252] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001713)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr.

**[01:55:28.320] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001714)  
Chair, I would like to direct my question to

**[01:55:31.320] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001715)  
to Asec. Lapuz.

**[01:55:32.679] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001716)  
Chair, uh

**[01:55:34.800] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001717)  
I noticed that uh the budgets

**[01:55:36.560] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001718)  
for anti-trafficking

**[01:55:38.320] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001719)  
persons enforcement, the

**[01:55:40.400] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001720)  
cyber crime enforcement

**[01:55:42.280] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001721)  
and the online sexual abuse

**[01:55:44.119] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001722)  
and exploitation of children

**[01:55:46.119] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001723)  
were drastically

**[01:55:47.880] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001724)  
reduced dito sa 2027 NEP.

**[01:55:50.719] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001725)  
Anong masasabi niyo po

**[01:55:51.639] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001726)  
Asec. Lapuz?

**[01:55:54.843] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001727)  
With the indulgence of our secretary.

**[01:55:57.679] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001728)  
Thank you, Sec.

**[01:55:59.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001729)  
Thank you, um,

**[01:56:01.159] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001730)  
Cong. Flores, for that question.

**[01:56:03.560] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001731)  
Of course we

**[01:56:04.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001732)  
are concerned

**[01:56:07.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001733)  
about this drastic

**[01:56:09.040] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001734)  
um decrease or slashing

**[01:56:11.000] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001735)  
of our cluster's budget

**[01:56:12.800] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001736)  
the human security and privacy

**[01:56:14.760] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001737)  
cluster of the department of

**[01:56:16.199] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001738)  
justice under which is the

**[01:56:18.440] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001739)  
interagency council against trafficking

**[01:56:20.480] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001740)  
Secretariat, the NCC-

**[01:56:22.360] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001741)  
OSAEC-CSAEM Secretariat, and the

**[01:56:24.520] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001742)  
Office of Cybercrime.

**[01:56:27.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001743)  
We've

**[01:56:27.719] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001744)  
seen uh rising

**[01:56:30.520] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001745)  
number of cases related

**[01:56:32.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001746)  
to sextortion,

**[01:56:34.840] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001747)  
online scam,

**[01:56:36.199] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001748)  
osaec, online illegal

**[01:56:38.119] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001749)  
recruitment as well as NVE

**[01:56:40.360] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001750)  
as mentioned a while ago but by

**[01:56:42.280] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001751)  
one of the representatives

**[01:56:44.040] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001752)  
present this afternoon.

**[01:56:45.599] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001753)  
All of these are

**[01:56:47.760] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001754)  
technology facilitated crimes

**[01:56:50.199] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001755)  
or the misuse of

**[01:56:51.520] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001756)  
technology to commit these crimes.

**[01:56:54.920] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001757)  
And

**[01:56:56.040] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001758)  
we feel that there is a

**[01:56:57.880] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001759)  
misapprehension of the scope

**[01:57:00.000] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001760)  
of the problem because

**[01:57:01.719] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001761)  
if for example the

**[01:57:03.960] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001762)  
committee deliberating on our

**[01:57:05.880] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001763)  
budget would appreciate the

**[01:57:07.599] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001764)  
gravity and the urgency by which

**[01:57:09.760] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001765)  
we need to respond to

**[01:57:11.639] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001766)  
these crimes, then they would

**[01:57:13.840] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001767)  
at the very least restore

**[01:57:15.920] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001768)  
our budget to the

**[01:57:17.960] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001769)  
uh 2026

**[01:57:19.840] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001770)  
levels. Mr.

**[01:57:25.951] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001771)  
Yes. I saw kasi na

**[01:57:28.079] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001772)  
41%

**[01:57:29.599] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001773)  
sa anti-trafficking in persons,

**[01:57:31.560] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001774)  
71%

**[01:57:33.719] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001775)  
reduction in cyber

**[01:57:35.400] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001776)  
crime at saka 58%

**[01:57:38.199] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001777)  
in uh OSAEC.

**[01:57:40.400] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001778)  
No.

**[01:57:40.840] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001779)  
Um, were there issues on uh your ano

**[01:57:43.880] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001780)  
ba absorbtive capacity?

**[01:57:47.990] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001781)  
Mr. Chair, thank you again for that question.

**[01:57:50.760] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001782)  
If if

**[01:57:51.679] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001783)  
absorptive capacity you mean um two things.

**[01:57:54.800] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001784)  
First our

**[01:57:56.000] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001785)  
ability to procure

**[01:57:58.159] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001786)  
certain um

**[01:57:59.719] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001787)  
certain high level

**[01:58:01.800] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001788)  
uh programs and initiatives

**[01:58:03.719] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001789)  
as well as absorptive capacity

**[01:58:05.760] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001790)  
of our local task forces to

**[01:58:07.880] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001791)  
act on cases.

**[01:58:09.159] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001792)  
Yes, there are limitations.

**[01:58:11.760] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001793)  
However, we can't stop

**[01:58:13.679] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001794)  
building on these capacities now

**[01:58:15.679] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001795)  
by slashing our budget.

**[01:58:17.119] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001796)  
all the more that we should push for

**[01:58:19.719] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001797)  
um sustained efforts to

**[01:58:21.639] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001798)  
create capacity both at the level

**[01:58:23.760] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001799)  
of the national program as well

**[01:58:25.679] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001800)  
as our local task forces.

**[01:58:28.270] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001801)  
Well, is it correct ba

**[01:58:30.040] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001802)  
na na-include ba sa

**[01:58:32.079] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001803)  
LEDAC bills 'yung amendments

**[01:58:34.159] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001804)  
ng OSAEC law?

**[01:58:35.510] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001805)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[01:58:36.151] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001806)  
if it is part of the LEDAC priority

**[01:58:38.040] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001807)  
no tapos you're going to be

**[01:58:39.719] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001808)  
having a 58.93%

**[01:58:41.079] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001809)  
93% reduction in the budget.

**[01:58:43.320] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001810)  
How will that parang affect

**[01:58:45.400] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001811)  
the activities

**[01:58:47.000] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001812)  
of uh the NCC-OSAEC-CSAEM?

**[01:58:49.432] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001813)  
Um your honor, it will really

**[01:58:51.440] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001814)  
um take us two or three steps

**[01:58:53.679] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001815)  
back on our initiatives.

**[01:58:55.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001816)  
We have just rolled out the National Strategic

**[01:58:58.040] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001817)  
Action Plan Against OSAEC and CSAEM,

**[01:58:59.599] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001818)  
and we want to

**[01:59:01.679] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001819)  
maintain the Tier 1 status of

**[01:59:03.840] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001820)  
the Philippines in the U.S. TIP

**[01:59:05.880] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001821)  
Report, because if we lose

**[01:59:07.840] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001822)  
that standing then there will be economic

**[01:59:10.360] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001823)  
implications against the

**[01:59:11.840] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001824)  
Philippines.

**[01:59:13.400] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001825)  
Second, yes, it

**[01:59:16.199] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001826)  
is a LEDAC priority,

**[01:59:18.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001827)  
and our capacity

**[01:59:19.840] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001828)  
to respond to emerging threats

**[01:59:22.520] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001829)  
of OSAEC, CSAEM, and VE,

**[01:59:24.400] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001830)  
and the other crimes I mentioned a

**[01:59:26.480] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001831)  
while ago must be

**[01:59:28.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001832)  
um leveled up because

**[01:59:30.719] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001833)  
in order for us to maintain Tier 1

**[01:59:32.960] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001834)  
status they need to see a

**[01:59:34.880] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001835)  
constant improvement in

**[01:59:36.560] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001836)  
our response mechanisms.

**[01:59:39.040] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001837)  
So hindi lang po kung ano 'yung ginawa

**[01:59:41.040] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001838)  
natin last year, gagawin din natin ngayon.

**[01:59:43.199] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001839)  
What is important is we

**[01:59:44.840] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001840)  
improve the response and

**[01:59:47.239] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001841)  
at the very least restoration of

**[01:59:49.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001842)  
our budget will ensure

**[01:59:51.239] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001843)  
um sufficient support for that goal.

**[01:59:54.012] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001844)  
And itong cyber crime din ba we always see nowadays na karamihan ng crimes are perpetrated through the internet and the use of other gadgets no.

**[02:00:04.440] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001845)  
So, anong impact naman nito na may 71% reduction sa budget ng anti-cybercrime enforcement?

**[02:00:13.385] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001846)  
Uh your honor, a lot of these cyber enabled crimes are already perpetrated by

**[02:00:19.440] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001847)  
AI um systems. So we need to catch up in our response.

**[02:00:25.000] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001848)  
Um, yung hinihingi po naming restoration to the levels of the 2026 budget for the OOC, it's just to maintain

**[02:00:32.119] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001849)  
our pace, no, to respond to these emerging threats. As I mentioned a while ago, we need to build

**[02:00:37.800] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001850)  
our capacity both on the IT infrastructure, capability building of our personnel,

**[02:00:44.000] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001851)  
increased personnel both on the investigative agents as well as the policy determination

**[02:00:50.360] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001852)  
arm of the Office of Cybercrime.

**[02:00:56.760] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001853)  
And especially the international cooperation mechanism, because timely international

**[02:01:02.760] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001854)  
exchange of information leads to timely rescue operations and mas marami po tayong naa-identify na victims and

**[02:01:08.520] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001855)  
perpetrators so we could create that nexus and that web of investigative leads.

**[02:01:15.232] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001856)  
Let me understand lang is this nangyari to because you're

**[02:01:19.599] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001857)  
unable to procure certain things ba or what ba ang use ng budget

**[02:01:23.800] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001858)  
niyo before kasi medyo malaki yung budget niyo last year eh no

**[02:01:28.000] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001859)  
from 119, ginawang 70; from 119, ginawang

**[02:01:31.840] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001860)  
34; 112, ginawang 46. Ano, what's wrong?

**[02:01:36.815] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001861)  
Um, in terms po of the procurement side, naka-earmark naman na po 'yung

**[02:01:42.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001862)  
mga high ticket or high level programs So it's just a matter of ensuring that the procurement

**[02:01:48.480] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001863)  
process would be undertaken timely within the year. Um meron pong um instance

**[02:01:54.480] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001864)  
na nagkaroon po ng issuance din ang Malacañang um with a directive of

**[02:01:59.960] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001865)  
decreasing MOOE expenses by 20%. So isang bagay din po yon.

**[02:02:05.440] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001866)  
And third, yung uh napi-pinpoint po naming need to create um alternative modes of

**[02:02:11.800] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001867)  
procurement such as um maybe establishing and empowering our regional bids

**[02:02:17.920] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001868)  
and awards committee to increase the absorptive capacity in that sense to be able to keep

**[02:02:23.639] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001869)  
abreast with the needs to procure with the need to procure these high level um programs.

**[02:02:29.903] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001870)  
Are are these uh offices currently undergoing

**[02:02:33.239] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001871)  
uh siguro manpower issues ba? Kulang ba kayo ng tao?

**[02:02:37.193] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001872)  
Kulang na kulang po, Your Honor. Actually, sa

**[02:02:41.520] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001873)  
NCC-OSAEC-CSAEM, the plantilla positions created by the DBM are already completely

**[02:02:47.239] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001874)  
filled up.

**[02:02:50.440] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001875)  
So we need to create more plantilla positions for NCC-OSAEC-CSAEM.

**[02:02:54.880] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001876)  
However, even our temporary measure of hiring JOs and COS, hindi

**[02:02:59.440] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001877)  
rin po pinayagan ng DBM. So we have to make do with

**[02:03:03.800] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001878)  
um resources in terms of manpower but at the same time

**[02:03:08.320] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001879)  
'yun pong secondary trauma and um uh effect naman

**[02:03:12.800] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001880)  
po on the people that we have now 'yun din po yung binabantayan natin.

**[02:03:16.400] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001881)  
So with your support we hope that we could also advocate for the creation of

**[02:03:21.480] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-001882)  
79 or so plantilla positions for NCC-OSAEC-CSAEM.

**[02:03:26.806] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001883)  
Thank you, Asec. Lapuz.

**[02:03:27.880] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001884)  
Secretary Vida.

**[02:03:29.400] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001885)  
Secretary Vida,

**[02:03:30.040] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001886)  
paano

**[02:03:30.639] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001887)  
po ba natin

**[02:03:31.360] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001888)  
ma-address ang issues nila?

**[02:03:32.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001889)  
Yes.

**[02:03:34.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001890)  
Uh, I—we

**[02:03:36.639] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001891)  
propose for a

**[02:03:38.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001892)  
parallel, basically

**[02:03:40.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001893)  
mirroring 'yung 2026.

**[02:03:41.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001894)  
But if you look at

**[02:03:44.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001895)  
the numbers, Your Honor,

**[02:03:45.639] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001896)  
po kasing 'yung SICA last

**[02:03:47.199] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001897)  
which uh yun yung nawala

**[02:03:49.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001898)  
po.

**[02:03:50.639] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001899)  
So I don't want to

**[02:03:52.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001900)  
speculate how the DBM did

**[02:03:54.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001901)  
it but apparently

**[02:03:56.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001902)  
it's it's that figure that was

**[02:03:58.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001903)  
lost

**[02:04:00.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001904)  
No, 'yung SICA ng

**[02:04:02.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001905)  
budget ng 2026

**[02:04:04.079] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001906)  
yun po yung hindi

**[02:04:05.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001907)  
minirror for 2027

**[02:04:08.774] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001908)  
All right. Now, 'di ba,

**[02:04:10.480] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001909)  
kasi ang mangyayari po is

**[02:04:12.440] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001910)  
if they're supposed to be

**[02:04:13.800] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001911)  
procuring these things

**[02:04:15.360] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001912)  
last year at tinanggal

**[02:04:17.079] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001913)  
sa budget this year mas lalong hindi nila mapro-procure.

**[02:04:19.800] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001914)  
Tama po ba?

**[02:04:21.042] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001915)  
Ah hindi naman po.

**[02:04:22.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001916)  
Ah kasi may may mga bagay po na

**[02:04:25.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001917)  
recurring expense eh.

**[02:04:27.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001918)  
'Yung recurring expense, 'yun po ang problema.

**[02:04:30.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001919)  
Ah kung kung ito

**[02:04:31.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001920)  
po ay one time expense ah tapos na.

**[02:04:34.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001921)  
Pero yung

**[02:04:34.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001922)  
paulit-ulit na gastos no

**[02:04:37.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001923)  
na pumapasok ang karamihan ng

**[02:04:39.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001924)  
MOOE natin at saka yung personal

**[02:04:41.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001925)  
services yun po ang problema.

**[02:04:43.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001926)  
So ang nakikita

**[02:04:45.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001927)  
lang po namin ah pero basically

**[02:04:47.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001928)  
that's what the figures say.

**[02:04:49.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001929)  
'Yung SICA last year na dinagdag

**[02:04:51.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001930)  
ng HGAB, no?

**[02:04:53.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001931)  
Nadagdagan kami sa HGAB kasi nung

**[02:04:55.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001932)  
nag-budget hearing and

**[02:04:57.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001933)  
also nung nakarating sa Senate

**[02:04:59.719] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001934)  
ah yun yung nawala ngayon for

**[02:05:01.719] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001935)  
nep 2027

**[02:05:04.079] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001936)  
so ah baka

**[02:05:05.199] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001937)  
po I don't baka po walang

**[02:05:07.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001938)  
kinalaman doon sa absorptive capacity

**[02:05:09.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001939)  
kundi may kinalaman lang doon

**[02:05:11.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001940)  
sa kung ano lang yung

**[02:05:13.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001941)  
NEP 2026 yun din

**[02:05:15.559] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001942)  
ang itinawid na NEP

**[02:05:17.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001943)  
2027 7 without

**[02:05:19.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001944)  
considering yung idinagdag

**[02:05:21.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001945)  
na ng Congress, for

**[02:05:24.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001946)  
for—na

**[02:05:25.719] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001947)  
naging GAA 2026.

**[02:05:27.867] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001948)  
So, 'yung original NEP niyo,

**[02:05:29.239] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001949)  
without the HGAB?

**[02:05:30.679] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001950)  
Ah, okay, 'yun lang ang pinasa.

**[02:05:33.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001951)  
Tingin ko po, 'yun po 'yung lumalabas sa data.

**[02:05:35.920] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001952)  
Right, but would you agree

**[02:05:37.920] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001953)  
with Asec. Lapuz na

**[02:05:40.280] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-001954)  
kailangan maibalik at least to that level?

**[02:05:42.559] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001955)  
Definitely po.

**[02:05:43.559] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001956)  
Lalo na po yung pag-maintenance natin sa tier one.

**[02:05:46.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001957)  
Malaking bagay po to.

**[02:05:47.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001958)  
At saka yung engagement natin, benchmarking

**[02:05:49.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001959)  
natin internationally.

**[02:05:51.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001960)  
Tulad po ngayon, patuloy po ang pakikipag-uusap

**[02:05:53.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001961)  
natin sa kanila ah

**[02:05:55.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001962)  
the registry of sex offenders.

**[02:05:57.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001963)  
Of course, the European countries have very

**[02:05:59.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001964)  
strict data privacy.

**[02:06:01.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001965)  
Hirap na hirap akong ma-extract sa kanila.

**[02:06:03.199] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001966)  
Bigyan niyo kami ng data.

**[02:06:04.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001967)  
Baka kasi mga Pilipino na nabibiktima,

**[02:06:07.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001968)  
we're continuously engaging with them.

**[02:06:10.079] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001969)  
Ah, posible ba

**[02:06:11.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001970)  
through police assistance, the mutual

**[02:06:12.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001971)  
legal assistance agreements

**[02:06:15.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001972)  
with other countries?

**[02:06:17.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001973)  
Possible.

**[02:06:18.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001974)  
Pero dun sa direct lang po na

**[02:06:21.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001975)  
direct lang po extraction

**[02:06:22.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001976)  
or us to be able to harvest 'yung data

**[02:06:25.079] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001977)  
nila ng foreign

**[02:06:26.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001978)  
sex offenders na traveling in the

**[02:06:28.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001979)  
Philippines, issue na po sa atin

**[02:06:30.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001980)  
yun kasi they have data

**[02:06:32.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001981)  
privacy laws that prohibit their

**[02:06:34.719] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001982)  
authorities from uh

**[02:06:36.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001983)  
sharing that data and

**[02:06:38.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001984)  
information with us.

**[02:06:40.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001985)  
But we're working on

**[02:06:42.440] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001986)  
this uh various

**[02:06:44.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001987)  
engagements with counterparts po natin.

**[02:06:47.199] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001988)  
Kaya your honor

**[02:06:48.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001989)  
napakalaga ho 'yung continuing engagement

**[02:06:50.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001990)  
ng teams natin, particularly

**[02:06:52.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001991)  
our NCC-OSAEC-CSAEM.

**[02:06:54.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001992)  
'Yung counterparts nila.

**[02:06:56.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001993)  
Because a bigger part of the work

**[02:06:58.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001994)  
is the human to human

**[02:07:00.639] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001995)  
networking.

**[02:07:02.199] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001996)  
Pag may kaibigan ka na po doon sa

**[02:07:04.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001997)  
counterpart mo mas dumadali po

**[02:07:06.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001998)  
yung yung sharing po ng data at saka yung work po.

**[02:07:09.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-001999)  
Mas dumadali po

**[02:07:11.294] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002000)  
Thank you, Sec. Mr.

**[02:07:13.199] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002001)  
Chair narinig po natin no na hopefully we

**[02:07:15.280] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002002)  
can do something about it kahit man lang ma-restore

**[02:07:17.360] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002003)  
lang to the 2026 levels po Mr.

**[02:07:20.400] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002004)  
Chair.

**[02:07:21.239] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002005)  
Anyway, another topic, Secretary Vida.

**[02:07:22.960] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002006)  
Secretary Vida, 'di ba,

**[02:07:25.079] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002007)  
for every creation of a new

**[02:07:27.199] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002008)  
court, dapat may isang fiscal din kayo?

**[02:07:30.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002009)  
Opo.

**[02:07:31.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002010)  
actually uh under the law uh for every

**[02:07:34.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002011)  
regional trial court two

**[02:07:36.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002012)  
prosecutors for

**[02:07:37.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002013)  
every municipal or first

**[02:07:39.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002014)  
level court the city courts

**[02:07:42.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002015)  
it should be one is to one.

**[02:07:44.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002016)  
One MTC,

**[02:07:45.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002017)  
one prosecutor position.

**[02:07:47.187] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002018)  
okay now ah pagpasa po

**[02:07:49.079] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002019)  
ba ng law

**[02:07:50.599] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002020)  
creating that particular court dapat

**[02:07:52.440] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002021)  
may prosecutors na kayong nilalagay

**[02:07:54.629] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002022)  
ah based on our agreement with the

**[02:07:56.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002023)  
DBM it should be after the court

**[02:07:58.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002024)  
has been organized pero mabilis

**[02:08:00.719] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002025)  
na po ang DBM ngayon uh they are

**[02:08:02.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002026)  
able to catch up once they organize the

**[02:08:04.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002027)  
court already Congress creates

**[02:08:07.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002028)  
the court then the Supreme

**[02:08:08.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002029)  
Court through after administrative

**[02:08:10.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002030)  
processes they organize the court

**[02:08:13.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002031)  
nakaka-trigger na rin po iyun ng request

**[02:08:15.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002032)  
namin for new prosecutorial position

**[02:08:17.039] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002033)  
yeah but that's my issue with ano eh the

**[02:08:19.159] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002034)  
Supreme Court eh usually we create

**[02:08:21.119] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002035)  
courts pagpasa ng bill namin

**[02:08:23.119] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002036)  
average of 5 years bago

**[02:08:25.159] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002037)  
nila ma-organize yung ano kahit na

**[02:08:26.920] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002038)  
funded na yun for the for the first

**[02:08:28.920] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002039)  
5 years ha tsaka tsaka pa

**[02:08:31.000] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002040)  
nila nao-organize 5 years ang minimum

**[02:08:32.960] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002041)  
ha minsan more than that pa

**[02:08:35.119] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002042)  
no so do you wait

**[02:08:36.480] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002043)  
until uh it's organized

**[02:08:39.360] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002044)  
bago kayo kukuha ng fiscals?

**[02:08:41.018] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002045)  
yes uh that's the

**[02:08:43.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002046)  
that's a trigger uh

**[02:08:45.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002047)  
time that's a trigger event

**[02:08:46.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002048)  
for the DBM to issue us the

**[02:08:48.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002049)  
prosecutorial—'yung ano ho, 'yung

**[02:08:50.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002050)  
NOSCA. Bago nila kami bigyan

**[02:08:53.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002051)  
ng NOSCA,

**[02:08:54.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002052)  
inaantay nila na organized na 'yung court.

**[02:08:57.083] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002053)  
So, we all wait for the Supreme Court to organize it.

**[02:08:59.559] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002054)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:09:00.119] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002055)  
Even if it's already funded, it's already ano for the past years.

**[02:09:03.239] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002056)  
Alam naman natin, 'di

**[02:09:03.960] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002057)  
ba, usually that's what happens, eh.

**[02:09:05.840] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002058)  
It's always my pet peeve. Every time

**[02:09:07.840] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002059)  
they sila pa mismo nag ah sa-suggest

**[02:09:10.320] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002060)  
minsan na dagdagan 'yung courts etc etc

**[02:09:12.360] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002061)  
but then they don't fill it up naman

**[02:09:14.239] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002062)  
and it takes them a long time before it's filled up.

**[02:09:16.440] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002063)  
So sayang din yung pondo na

**[02:09:18.119] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002064)  
pumupunta doon for the unorganized courts.

**[02:09:21.417] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002065)  
Totoo po 'yan. Real issue po on the ground.

**[02:09:24.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002066)  
It's true naman, 'di ba?

**[02:09:25.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002067)  
Yeah. Oo.

**[02:09:26.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002068)  
Ah ang maganda lang po your honor eh the law

**[02:09:29.320] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002069)  
the NPS law was enacted

**[02:09:31.639] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002070)  
2010.

**[02:09:33.079] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002071)  
Nag-start lang tayo ng actual

**[02:09:35.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002072)  
implementation noong 2024.

**[02:09:37.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002073)  
So kaya po ito 'yung

**[02:09:39.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002074)  
creation na ng 1,000 new

**[02:09:40.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002075)  
prosecutorial positions.

**[02:09:42.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002076)  
We advocated that with the DBM.

**[02:09:45.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002077)  
We pushed for that.

**[02:09:47.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002078)  
Now, it's ongoing.

**[02:09:49.280] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002079)  
Wait. You said 2024 lang.

**[02:09:51.559] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002080)  
Opo.

**[02:09:51.960] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002081)  
So nag-catch up pa kayo?

**[02:09:53.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002082)  
Opo.

**[02:09:54.199] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002083)  
Actually ilang courts yun? From 2010 to 2024.

**[02:09:57.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002084)  
Wala pong na-create

**[02:10:00.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002085)  
na prosecutorial position. That's 14 years. Opo.

**[02:10:03.199] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002086)  
Eh, marami-rami iyon.

**[02:10:04.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002087)  
Opo.

**[02:10:05.679] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002088)  
That's why the journey po is from

**[02:10:08.079] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002089)  
2,700 to

**[02:10:10.639] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002090)  
4,600.

**[02:10:12.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002091)  
And uh the target timeline po

**[02:10:14.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002092)  
is before the end of

**[02:10:16.199] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002093)  
the term of the

**[02:10:18.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002094)  
President, before June 2028 po.

**[02:10:21.000] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002095)  
Okay. Thank you, Secretary Vida.

**[02:10:23.040] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002096)  
Uh Mr. Chair again I would like to reiterate

**[02:10:24.760] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002097)  
my request po sana na

**[02:10:26.639] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002098)  
and with the prayer of also

**[02:10:28.400] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002099)  
Secretary Vida na kahit man

**[02:10:30.280] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002100)  
lang ma-restore 'yung budget for the

**[02:10:32.280] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002101)  
anti-trafficking persons,

**[02:10:34.400] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002102)  
the cyber crime enforcement

**[02:10:36.440] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002103)  
and OSAEC to the 2026

**[02:10:38.960] Rep. Jonathan Keith T. Flores** (asr-002104)  
levels. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[02:10:40.443] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002105)  
The request is noted.

**[02:10:43.239] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002106)  
Thank you,

**[02:10:44.679] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002107)  
Representative Jonathan Keith Flores.

**[02:10:46.719] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002108)  
Actually,

**[02:10:48.400] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002109)  
Actually marami pong request para po

**[02:10:50.719] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002110)  
ma-fully operationalize

**[02:10:52.719] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002111)  
yung mandato po ng DOJ.

**[02:10:55.280] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002112)  
So at the proper time

**[02:10:56.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002113)  
we'll tackle it rin dito sa committee.

**[02:11:00.559] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002114)  
So next in line,

**[02:11:01.991] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002115)  
Representative Allan Ty,

**[02:11:03.265] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002116)  
from the minority po.

**[02:11:04.400] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002117)  
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To

**[02:11:06.416] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002118)  
Secretary Vida, based

**[02:11:08.772] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002119)  
on your performance indicators,

**[02:11:11.428] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002120)  
percentage of criminal

**[02:11:12.625] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002121)  
complaints resolved during the

**[02:11:14.841] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002122)  
period for FY 2025

**[02:11:17.038] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002123)  
is 99.12%.

**[02:11:18.874] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002124)  
For first semester,

**[02:11:20.971] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002125)  
for the first semester of 2026. Can you kindly

**[02:11:23.027] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002126)  
confirm?

**[02:11:25.063] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002127)  
Yes, I do confirm, Your Honor.

**[02:11:26.920] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002128)  
Percentage of cases pending within

**[02:11:29.160] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002129)  
120 days. Fiscal

**[02:11:31.217] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002130)  
year 2025, it's 89.35%.

**[02:11:34.415] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002131)  
And

**[02:11:35.351] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002132)  
for first semester of 2026,

**[02:11:37.612] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002133)  
it's 85.25%.

**[02:11:39.954] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002134)  
Can you kindly confirm?

**[02:11:42.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002135)  
Yes, I

**[02:11:43.359] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002136)  
do confirm, Your Honor.

**[02:11:45.476] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002137)  
Mr. Secretary, do these percentages

**[02:11:46.461] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002138)  
represent cases before the

**[02:11:48.560] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002139)  
National Prosecution Service

**[02:11:50.129] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002140)  
and/or

**[02:11:52.392] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002141)  
cases pending before the

**[02:11:54.217] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002142)  
Office of the Secretary,

**[02:11:56.187] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002143)  
the Petition for Review?

**[02:12:00.430] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002144)  
These are the

**[02:12:01.532] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002145)  
cases pending in the field offices, sir.

**[02:12:03.927] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002146)  
Under the National Prosecution Service?

**[02:12:05.791] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002147)  
Yes.

**[02:12:08.038] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002148)  
How about the performance indicators for Petition

**[02:12:10.263] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002149)  
for Review? Can I get,

**[02:12:12.191] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002150)  
can you tell us the percentage

**[02:12:14.141] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002151)  
of those resolved cases

**[02:12:16.366] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002152)  
pending before your office?

**[02:12:22.013] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002153)  
We can't

**[02:12:22.854] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002154)  
say that, sir. Earlier, I have a ballpark

**[02:12:24.997] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002155)  
figure since

**[02:12:26.439] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002156)  
I assumed office, Your Honor.

**[02:12:31.526] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002157)  
I have resolved

**[02:12:32.468] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002158)  
more or less 400

**[02:12:34.170] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002159)  
petitions for review cases.

**[02:12:36.773] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002160)  
Out of 16,000

**[02:12:38.396] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002161)  
petitions for review, as you earlier mentioned. Am I correct?

**[02:12:41.059] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002162)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[02:12:42.762] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002163)  
What is the percentage of that

**[02:12:44.825] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002164)  
400 cases

**[02:12:46.968] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002165)  
against 16,000 cases?

**[02:12:50.853] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002166)  
That would be just around

**[02:12:52.616] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002167)  
2.5%, Your Honor.

**[02:12:54.599] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002168)  
Only 2.5%?

**[02:12:56.482] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002169)  
Mr. Secretary, so can you

**[02:12:58.705] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002170)  
please tell, can you put a

**[02:13:00.788] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002171)  
breakdown as to the year

**[02:13:02.731] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002172)  
they were filed or elevated

**[02:13:04.734] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002173)  
before the Department, the 16,000 cases?

**[02:13:06.917] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002174)  
Yes. These 16,000

**[02:13:08.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002175)  
cases pending before the Office

**[02:13:10.743] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002176)  
of the Secretary were those filed

**[02:13:12.686] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002177)  
from January 1, 2020

**[02:13:14.268] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002178)  
to November 11, 2025.

**[02:13:17.313] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002179)  
How about for those prior years?

**[02:13:19.106] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002180)  
Let's say 10 years back,

**[02:13:20.879] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002181)  
five years old,

**[02:13:22.632] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002182)  
ten years old. Do you have a breakdown of the case?

**[02:13:24.743] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002183)  
Yes, we can

**[02:13:26.596] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002184)  
submit to you, Your Honor. But it's

**[02:13:28.767] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002185)  
approximately 10,000 cases,

**[02:13:31.237] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002186)  
all cases prior to

**[02:13:32.651] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002187)  
January 1, 2020.

**[02:13:34.643] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002188)  
So roughly, Mr. Secretary, how

**[02:13:36.316] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002189)  
many, percentage-wise,

**[02:13:38.162] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002190)  
how many cases do you resolve in one

**[02:13:39.886] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002191)  
year for petition for review?

**[02:13:44.043] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002192)  
There's a mix depending on

**[02:13:47.214] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002193)  
Your Honor. But for my

**[02:13:49.506] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002194)  
particular timeline, Your Honor,

**[02:13:51.584] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002195)  
starting in

**[02:13:52.656] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002196)  
February this year

**[02:13:55.891] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002197)  
up to

**[02:13:57.091] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002198)  
today, Your Honor, I've resolved

**[02:14:00.111] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002199)  
more than 400 cases.

**[02:14:02.211] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002200)  
So basically, on a year-to-year,

**[02:14:04.846] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002201)  
we can submit that, Your Honor.

**[02:14:06.453] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002202)  
Correct. But as you mentioned also,

**[02:14:08.730] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002203)  
that's only 2.5%.

**[02:14:10.301] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002204)  
So you have still

**[02:14:12.659] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002205)  
a long way to go

**[02:14:14.895] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002206)  
to dispose all the

**[02:14:16.608] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002207)  
petitions for review. Thank you,

**[02:14:18.583] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002208)  
Mr. Secretary. Mr. Secretary,

**[02:14:22.411] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002209)  
is there no timeline

**[02:14:24.406] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002210)  
provided under the

**[02:14:25.776] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002211)  
rules on

**[02:14:28.637] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002212)  
petition for review that the

**[02:14:30.551] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002213)  
Office of the Secretary must resolve

**[02:14:32.324] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002214)  
those pending petitions for review?

**[02:14:34.621] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002215)  
If we

**[02:14:36.535] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002216)  
do look at, if we

**[02:14:38.067] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002217)  
coordinate

**[02:14:40.686] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002218)  
it with the rules of court, basically,

**[02:14:43.043] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002219)  
pag tinignan po natin, may

**[02:14:44.736] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002220)  
60 days po na dini-defer ng court

**[02:14:46.852] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002221)  
yung case. But time

**[02:14:48.866] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002222)  
and motion will tell you, hindi ho

**[02:14:50.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002223)  
talaga kaya ng 60 days.

**[02:14:53.903] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002225)  
Dahil na rin po sa dami.

**[02:14:55.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002226)  
Tulad po ng nabanggit, ang nakikita po naming datos,

**[02:14:58.706] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002227)  
200 per week petitions pina-file ho dito.

**[02:15:02.194] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002228)  
Since I assumed as Secretary.

**[02:15:04.256] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002229)  
Kaya nga po, ang amin pong strategy doon is,

**[02:15:08.362] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002230)  
my eight undersecretaries have been deputized and authorized to resolve those cases.

**[02:15:13.556] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002231)  
So if it's 800 per month,

**[02:15:15.599] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002232)  
ang tina-target po naming clearance rate for every undersecretary is 100 per month.

**[02:15:20.624] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002233)  
So that's still a...

**[02:15:23.913] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002234)  
Kasi this is in addition to their other duties and tasks.

**[02:15:29.722] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002235)  
So yung 16,000 po, most probably, kailan nyo po mareresolve?

**[02:15:34.800] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002236)  
Given the timeline that you just stated.

**[02:15:43.180] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002237)  
With our current system, especially with the publication we made for the older cases,

**[02:15:48.874] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002238)  
what we're targeting is from February,

**[02:15:51.342] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002239)  
hopefully po, after the first quarter of next year, we have a clearer picture po.

**[02:15:58.767] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002240)  
On the 16,000.

**[02:16:00.798] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002241)  
So can you please provide this committee the breakdown of all those pending cases per year?

**[02:16:06.113] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002242)  
We will, Your Honor.

**[02:16:13.606] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002243)  
Mr. Secretary, can you go over your budget, proposed budget,

**[02:16:17.435] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002244)  
under MOOE for fiscal year 2027?

**[02:16:20.686] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002245)  
There is a sub-expense labeled as other maintenance and operating expenses.

**[02:16:29.756] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002246)  
What expenses are covered by this account?

**[02:16:38.644] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002247)  
Under object of expenditure.

**[02:16:40.569] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002248)  
Mr. Secretary.

**[02:17:09.158] DOJ budget representative** (asr-002249)  
For the proposed budget for fiscal year 2027,

**[02:17:16.721] DOJ budget representative** (asr-002250)  
Other maintenance and operating expenses would amount to 114,309,000.

**[02:17:22.523] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002251)  
Mr. Secretary, I'm not asking about the amount.

**[02:17:24.964] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002252)  
I'm asking about the expenses covered by other MOOE.

**[02:17:59.598] DOJ budget representative** (asr-002253)  
This would cover advertising expenses,

**[02:18:02.943] DOJ budget representative** (asr-002254)  
Printing and publication expenses, representation expenses,

**[02:18:07.489] DOJ budget representative** (asr-002255)  
transportation and delivery expenses, rent for buildings and structures and rents for equipment,

**[02:18:14.720] DOJ budget representative** (asr-002256)  
then ICT software subscription and other subscription expenses, Your Honor.

**[02:18:19.747] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002257)  
There is a sub-label similar to other maintenance and operating expenses.

**[02:18:26.453] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002258)  
Can you confirm?

**[02:18:30.665] DOJ budget representative** (asr-002259)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[02:18:32.605] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002260)  
What possible expenses are covered by this similar?

**[02:18:36.087] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002261)  
Similar label, aside from what you have already mentioned.

**[02:18:54.330] DOJ budget representative** (asr-002262)  
Other similar expenses would be [unclear].

**[02:19:12.751] DOJ budget representative** (asr-002263)  
This would basically cover possible increases of those similar objects of expenditure, Your Honor, I would assume.

**[02:19:23.281] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002264)  
Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

**[02:19:24.812] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002265)  
To Commissioner Viado.

**[02:19:27.731] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002266)  
Commissioner.

**[02:19:28.445] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002267)  
Good afternoon, sir.

**[02:19:28.760] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002268)  
Good afternoon.

**[02:19:29.322] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002269)  
Commissioner, could you explain what the border,

**[02:19:32.188] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002270)  
border management information system, or BMIS, is?

**[02:19:39.278] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002271)  
Sir, good afternoon.

**[02:19:40.810] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002272)  
Thank you very much, Congressman Ty, for giving us the opportunity to explain and to build trust with the Filipino people concerning this matter.

**[02:19:50.808] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002273)  
The large-scale border security system is needed at this point

**[02:19:58.670] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002274)  
because this pertains to a technology-driven, AI-driven,

**[02:20:04.697] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002275)  
biometric-driven kind of border control, Your Honor.

**[02:20:08.930] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002276)  
The concept really is to extend our borders beyond the actual physical border of the Philippines.

**[02:20:15.381] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002277)  
We plan to institute a system wherein even if a passenger is in another country and is not qualified to enter the Philippines,

**[02:20:26.468] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002278)  
he will be prevented from doing so using this technology-driven system, Your Honor.

**[02:20:33.160] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002279)  
What is the total project?

**[02:20:34.741] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002280)  
What is the total project cost of BMIS?

**[02:20:37.345] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002281)  
The total project cost—this is a PPP project, Your Honor.

**[02:20:41.678] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002282)  
The total project cost for the first five years will be shouldered by the private proponent, amounting to about 10.7 billion, Your Honor.

**[02:20:51.423] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002283)  
But in the next 20 years, they will put in additional capital and maintenance expenses, amounting to about 52.5 billion, Your Honor.

**[02:21:03.873] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002284)  
How much is that?

**[02:21:04.665] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002285)  
How much is the national government share?

**[02:21:06.218] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002286)  
The government share would amount to, for passengers, the cost would be about $4, Your Honor.

**[02:21:14.380] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002287)  
$3.80 will go to the private proponent and $0.20 will go to the Philippine government, Your Honor.

**[02:21:19.482] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002288)  
Is there no allocations made to BMIS by the national government?

**[02:21:26.114] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002289)  
At this point, Your Honor, the intention really is to adopt a stepladder approach.

**[02:21:34.281] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002290)  
Any budget that has been allocated by government at this point, sad to say, in a way, is lacking.

**[02:21:45.512] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002291)  
So this PVP project will make up for any differences or any shortfalls that we might have as far as border control is concerned, Your Honor.

**[02:21:56.742] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002292)  
Based on your 2024 GAA, there's an allocation of four-point-something billion for BMIS.

**[02:22:04.734] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002293)  
Can you kindly confirm?

**[02:22:06.732] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002294)  
For the year 2024, I think it was 1.9 billion, Your Honor, for the e-Gates project.

**[02:22:17.667] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002295)  
So there is a government fund used for the BMIS project?

**[02:22:23.118] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002296)  
That's correct, Your Honor, for the E-Gates project.

**[02:22:26.140] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002297)  
Initially, it was funded at around 1.9 billion, but eventually it was reduced.

**[02:22:32.185] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002298)  
The winning bidder submitted a proposal.

**[02:22:35.208] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002299)  
Which was eventually accepted, which amounted to 1.5 billion.

**[02:22:39.238] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002300)  
But, Your Honor, this only pertains to the E-Gates project.

**[02:22:43.268] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002301)  
It does not pertain to any total border control system, which the private proponent is proposing, Your Honor.

**[02:22:50.320] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002302)  
So the total appropriation release of 1.5 billion, as you mentioned, how much has been obligated?

**[02:22:57.526] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002303)  
And how much has been disbursed?

**[02:22:59.585] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002304)  
I will confer with my colleague, Your Honor.

**[02:23:01.019] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002305)  
The allotment originally, Your Honor, was 1.9 billion.

**[02:23:09.119] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002306)  
But what has been obligated is 1.5 billion, Your Honor.

**[02:23:13.428] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002307)  
But DBM released the SARO corresponding to the 1.9 billion.

**[02:23:22.045] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002308)  
So how much still remains unobligated?

**[02:23:29.774] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002309)  
Your Honor, at this point, what is unobligated is the 1.3, which is the second phase of the project.

**[02:23:36.625] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002310)  
Mr. Commissioner, I'm asking you first, the first phase.

**[02:23:39.638] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002311)  
Don't jump on the second phase. I haven't asked you yet on the second phase.

**[02:23:42.650] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002312)  
It has been fully obligated, Your Honor.

**[02:23:45.687] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002315)  
How much has been released?

**[02:23:46.753] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002316)  
Your Honor, as stated, the original amount was 1.9, but we have a savings of 400.

**[02:24:02.160] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002317)  
So what has been released is 1.5 billion, Your Honor.

**[02:24:04.115] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002318)  
How about for fiscal year 2025?

**[02:24:05.687] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002319)  
How much of the Bureau's appropriations remain unused for this particular project?

**[02:24:12.940] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002320)  
1.3, Your Honor.

**[02:24:15.785] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002321)  
How much has been obligated?

**[02:24:27.976] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002322)  
Your Honor, it has not yet been obligated because the terms of reference

**[02:24:32.532] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002323)  
for the phase of this project will still be transmitted to the Department of Justice

**[02:24:37.088] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002324)  
for further review, Your Honor.

**[02:24:38.911] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002325)  
But it has been released?

**[02:24:40.818] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002326)  
The SARO has been released by the DBM?

**[02:24:42.725] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002327)  
Yes, Your Honor. It has been released.

**[02:24:44.632] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002328)  
So can you go over your 2025 budget?

**[02:24:49.062] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002329)  
Based on the expenditure program appropriation by obligation,

**[02:24:53.492] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002330)  
you have an unobligated allotment of 4 billion.

**[02:24:57.922] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002331)  
Can you please state what these unobligated

**[02:25:02.352] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002332)  
allotments are?

**[02:25:05.675] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002333)  
Primarily, Your Honor, it pertains to the E-Gates project.

**[02:25:09.774] Bureau of Immigration budget representative** (asr-002334)  
It's unobligated.

**[02:25:11.142] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002335)  
You mentioned a while ago that you have obligated 1.5 billion.

**[02:25:16.241] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002336)  
The only unobligated amount is only 400 million.

**[02:25:19.300] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002337)  
How come you have 4.071 billion unobligated in 2025?

**[02:25:25.418] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002338)  
Your Honor, if I may read the summary, Your Honor.

**[02:25:29.437] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002339)  
The implementation schedule for

**[02:25:32.450] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002340)  
the E-Gates projects Phase 1, 2, and 3

**[02:25:35.464] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002341)  
was affected by circumstances beyond the Bureau's control.

**[02:25:38.478] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002342)  
So Phase 1, which was funded under the Fiscal Year 2024 GAA

**[02:25:42.497] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002343)  
in the amount of 1.5 billion,

**[02:25:45.511] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002344)  
was timely subjected to competitive bidding

**[02:25:47.520] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002345)  
but was declared a failure of bidding.

**[02:25:49.529] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002346)  
It necessitated, Your Honor, a rebidding process.

**[02:25:52.543] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002347)  
And during the rebidding process,

**[02:25:54.552] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002348)  
the Bureau received the donation of E-Gates

**[02:25:56.562] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002349)  
from the new NAIA Infrastructure Corporation

**[02:25:59.576] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002350)  
for NAIA Terminals 1 and 3,

**[02:26:01.585] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002351)  
which required the revision

**[02:26:03.594] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002352)  
of the approved technical specifications and deployment plan

**[02:26:06.608] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002353)  
to avoid any duplication of procurement

**[02:26:09.622] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002354)  
and maximize the utilization of government resources.

**[02:26:12.636] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002355)  
Consequently, the contract was awarded in December 2025.

**[02:26:16.654] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002356)  
Now, as the project is being implemented in phases,

**[02:26:19.668] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002357)  
the delay in Phase 1 necessarily affected

**[02:26:21.677] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002358)  
the procurement schedule of Phase 2.

**[02:26:24.691] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002359)  
For Fiscal Year 2025, amounting to 1.3 billion.

**[02:26:28.710] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002360)  
And Phase 3, Fiscal Year 2026,

**[02:26:30.719] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002361)  
amounting to 565 million.

**[02:26:33.733] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002362)  
The Bureau has since completed the required revisions

**[02:26:37.752] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002363)  
revisions and is expediting, Your Honor,

**[02:26:39.761] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002364)  
the remaining procurement activities.

**[02:26:42.775] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002365)  
And the Bureau assures that it will be able to award Phase 2

**[02:26:45.789] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002366)  
and other Fiscal Year 2025 and 2026 funded projects

**[02:26:49.807] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002367)  
within the current year

**[02:26:50.812] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002368)  
and commits to fully implementing the modernization program

**[02:26:53.826] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-002369)  
as scheduled, Your Honor.

**[02:26:55.835] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002370)  
Last question, Cong. Allan.

**[02:26:58.163] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002371)  
I have...

**[02:27:00.205] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002372)  
I'll do my second round, Mr. Chairman.

**[02:27:02.247] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002373)  
Okay.

**[02:27:03.085] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-002374)  
Yes, sir. Thank you.

**[02:27:08.240] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002375)  
Next in line, from the majority,

**[02:27:12.303] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002376)  
Representative Solomon Chungalao.

**[02:27:15.439] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002377)  
Thank you, Chairman.

**[02:27:17.453] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002378)  
I just ask one question.

**[02:27:21.482] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002379)  
My major question.

**[02:27:23.496] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002380)  
One or two, perhaps.

**[02:27:25.510] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002381)  
Hypothetical.

**[02:27:27.525] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002382)  
It pertains to the right of the government

**[02:27:31.553] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002383)  
to expropriate private property

**[02:27:33.568] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002384)  
for public use.

**[02:27:35.582] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002385)  
Now, if an agency exercises

**[02:27:38.603] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002386)  
the power of expropriation,

**[02:27:42.632] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002387)  
acquires private property

**[02:27:44.646] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002388)  
for public use,

**[02:27:46.661] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002389)  
but it's a private corporation

**[02:27:48.675] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002390)  
pays the value,

**[02:27:51.696] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002391)  
is there a proper exercise

**[02:27:53.711] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002392)  
of the power of expropriation,

**[02:27:55.725] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002393)  
Secretary?

**[02:28:03.359] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002394)  
Elements for the proper exercise

**[02:28:06.512] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002395)  
of expropriate...

**[02:28:08.614] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002396)  
the right of eminent domain.

**[02:28:10.716] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002397)  
One, public purpose.

**[02:28:12.818] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002398)  
Second, it's a...

**[02:28:14.919] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002399)  
it's a...

**[02:28:17.021] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002400)  
public purpose of the ano, no?

**[02:28:19.123] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002401)  
And it would be utilizing public funds.

**[02:28:22.276] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002402)  
But, Your Honor,

**[02:28:24.378] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002403)  
as in prior projects, no?

**[02:28:26.480] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002404)  
There have been projects that

**[02:28:28.582] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002405)  
there are engagements by the government

**[02:28:30.684] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002406)  
entering into

**[02:28:32.786] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002407)  
various contractual agreements

**[02:28:35.939] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002408)  
with the private sector

**[02:28:38.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002409)  
and it would be possible, no,

**[02:28:40.142] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002410)  
it would be possible

**[02:28:41.193] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002411)  
that private funds might be used

**[02:28:44.346] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002412)  
to procure portions

**[02:28:46.448] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002413)  
of the right-of-way, Your Honor.

**[02:28:48.560] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002414)  
So, it's possible that you can use

**[02:28:53.288] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002415)  
private funds to pay

**[02:28:55.160] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002416)  
just compensation?

**[02:28:57.969] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002417)  
It's...

**[02:28:59.841] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002418)  
I'll be direct with the Secretary.

**[02:29:05.702] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002419)  
I raised this in the 18th Congress.

**[02:29:08.511] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002420)  
Kasi sa amin,

**[02:29:09.447] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002421)  
NIA exercises expropriation.

**[02:29:12.256] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002422)  
They acquired property

**[02:29:14.128] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002423)  
of farmers around

**[02:29:16.000] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002424)  
the Magat Dam

**[02:29:17.873] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002425)  
for public use.

**[02:29:19.745] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002426)  
But the one who paid it

**[02:29:20.681] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002427)  
is a private corporation.

**[02:29:22.554] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002428)  
Pwede ba 'yon?

**[02:29:29.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002429)  
I don't think that's within the realm

**[02:29:32.118] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002430)  
of our legal system, Your Honor.

**[02:29:35.354] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002431)  
Private funds cannot be used

**[02:29:37.512] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002432)  
in that manner, Your Honor.

**[02:29:39.680] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002433)  
That, in that case,

**[02:29:42.085] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002434)  
is the private...

**[02:29:44.491] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002435)  
is the public...

**[02:29:46.896] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002436)  
public corporation

**[02:29:48.099] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002437)  
or the public entity

**[02:29:50.505] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002438)  
liable for anything?

**[02:29:52.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002439)  
Yes. We have to check the circumstances, Your Honor. Yes, possible po, Your Honor.

**[02:29:59.439] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002440)  
What would be the liability, any administrative or criminal liability?

**[02:30:09.399] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002441)  
Your Honor, if you may, we need additional factual circumstances to make a determination on that matter, Your Honor.

**[02:30:20.800] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002442)  
Well, I'm laying the facts. The facts are simple.

**[02:30:27.412] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002443)  
They raised the level of the dam to the level that it acquired private properties, supposedly for irrigation.

**[02:30:43.698] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002444)  
But when they were supposed to pay for the just compensation, it was a private corporation who wanted to pay and paid them, pero hindi patas.

**[02:30:59.773] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002445)  
Is there anything wrong in that case?

**[02:31:10.403] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002446)  
Secretary? Ano 'yung right—anong ROW 'yun?

**[02:31:11.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002447)  
Under the existing ROW Act, Your Honor, if I get the briefing right, what will be used for expropriation should be public funds.

**[02:31:22.586] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002448)  
So any violation of that law would make the person liable if it violates that particular law, Your Honor.

**[02:31:32.160] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002449)  
The agency, the agency—

**[02:31:34.566] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002450)  
NIA violated the law.

**[02:31:38.926] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002451)  
What is the crime? What is the liability of NIA, administratively or criminally?

**[02:31:48.488] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002452)  
That's what I'm asking.

**[02:31:50.924] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002453)  
Kasi hindi inayos 'to, eh. Oo, hindi kasi...

**[02:31:53.279] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002454)  
Your Honor, we, my apologies, but if you will allow the department, we can give you the proper briefing on that.

**[02:32:03.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002455)  
We can give you the report on that.

**[02:32:06.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002456)  
But for any action of an individual, it can arise...

**[02:32:10.040] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002459)  
It can arise to criminal or administrative liability.

**[02:32:13.619] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002460)  
That's possible.

**[02:32:14.607] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002461)  
And also from a criminal act, a civil liability will also ensue.

**[02:32:18.957] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002462)  
So based on the particular act, Your Honor, we need to see with more particularity the circumstances, Your Honor.

**[02:32:27.023] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002463)  
My apologies, Your Honor.

**[02:32:28.200] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002464)  
Okay, I will just ask perhaps your office for your legal opinion.

**[02:32:32.520] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002465)  
Because the farmers are complaining.

**[02:32:35.560] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002466)  
I brought this out in the 18th Congress.

**[02:32:38.240] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002467)  
I told them.

**[02:32:38.800] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002468)  
Ayusin ninyo 'yan. Pero hindi inayos hanggang ngayon. So the farmers are coming back. Ang ginagawa nila kasi, binabarat 'yung iba, binabayaran 'yung iba. Hindi naman puwede 'yun, 'di ba?

**[02:32:54.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002469)  
Yes, Your Honor. The ultimate basis for everything is fairness and justice.

**[02:32:58.770] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002470)  
So flowing from that, if there's something unfair, probably there's a violation of the law.

**[02:33:04.481] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002471)  
So if it's an unfair act, then there's a law violated.

**[02:33:12.381] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002472)  
So we'll just coordinate with your office, Your Honor.

**[02:33:15.439] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002473)  
Okay, I'll just write your office.

**[02:33:17.709] Rep. Solomon R. Chungalao** (asr-002474)  
I will limit myself to allow my other colleagues to be able to ask questions.

**[02:33:23.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002475)  
Thank you very much.

**[02:33:25.439] Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan** (asr-002476)  
May I interject, Mr. Chairman?

**[02:33:29.325] Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan** (asr-002477)  
On the issue of just compensation, related to the question, Mr. Chairman.

**[02:33:36.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002478)  
Yes, Congressman Domogan, it's the time of Cong. Chungalao.

**[02:33:41.753] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002479)  
There are a lot of other interpellators waiting.

**[02:33:45.810] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002480)  
Maybe we can bring it up on your time.

**[02:33:49.847] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002481)  
May time pa siya.

**[02:33:54.548] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002482)  
Maybe you can bring it up on your time, Congressman Domogan.

**[02:33:57.960] Rep. Mauricio G. Domogan** (asr-002483)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[02:34:01.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002484)  
Thank you, Cong. Sol Chungalao.

**[02:34:04.418] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002485)  
With the indulgence of Cong Sarah Elago, we needed to...

**[02:34:08.497] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002486)  
At least let Cong. Tinio come first because he has other obligations to go to.

**[02:34:17.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002487)  
Mr. Chair, thank you.

**[02:34:18.010] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002488)  
Unang-una, nagpapasalamat ako kay Congresswoman Sarah Elago for being so generous and yielding her time.

**[02:34:22.378] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002489)  
I thought I was going to ask questions after Congressman Ty.

**[02:34:24.603] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002490)  
Apparently not.

**[02:34:26.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002491)  
Anyway, a few questions here.

**[02:34:29.581] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002492)  
Unang-una, doon ho tayo kay Administrator Benitez

**[02:34:36.947] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002493)  
ng Parole and Probation Administration. Meron ho kayong panukalang batas na itinutulak dito sa Kongreso para i-modernize ang PPA.

**[02:34:45.690] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002494)  
At iyan ay bilang tugon sa mga problemang hinaharap ng PPA, tama po ba?

**[02:34:51.000] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002495)  
With the indulgence of the Secretary, yes, sir.

**[02:34:54.723] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002496)  
Maaari ho bang i-outline lang o banggitin ano iyong mga problemang iyon?

**[02:34:59.520] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002497)  
Ang problema po namin ay tungkol sa modernization.

**[02:35:03.765] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002498)  
Mga entry-level salaries

**[02:35:05.180] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002499)  
Entry-level salaries.

**[02:35:08.148] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002500)  
ng aming probation

**[02:35:09.131] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002501)  
officers ay mababa.

**[02:35:09.780] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002502)  
parang 30 years

**[02:35:12.983] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002503)  
behind po kami

**[02:35:13.986] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002504)  
sa SG level nila

**[02:35:16.167] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002505)  
bukod po dyan

**[02:35:18.152] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002506)  
Bukod po diyan, meron po kayong mga kliyente.

**[02:35:20.943] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002507)  
pag sinasabing kliente tinutukoy po

**[02:35:22.830] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002508)  
natin dyan yung mga probationers

**[02:35:24.678] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002509)  
natin diyan iyong mga probationers, parolees, conditional pardonees

**[02:35:26.958] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002510)  
at qualified offenders.

**[02:35:28.628] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002511)  
tama po ba?

**[02:35:30.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002512)  
meron po bang ideal ratio

**[02:35:32.930] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002513)  
sa classroom

**[02:35:34.427] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002514)  
may ratio na ideal

**[02:35:35.661] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002515)  
one teacher to 30 students

**[02:35:38.816] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002516)  
ano po ba yung ideal ratio?

**[02:35:41.203] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002517)  
for the information of the committee

**[02:35:42.720] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002518)  
last 2025

**[02:35:44.256] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002519)  
we processed 175,000

**[02:35:48.045] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002520)  
probationers

**[02:35:49.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002521)  
ilan po yung staff?

**[02:35:51.847] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002522)  
yung staff po namin

**[02:35:52.824] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002523)  
more or less mga

**[02:35:54.329] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002524)  
875

**[02:35:56.381] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002525)  
ang case load ng isang

**[02:35:58.570] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002526)  
probation officer ay

**[02:36:00.583] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002527)  
1 is to 400

**[02:36:01.853] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002528)  
1 is to 400, ano po yung ideal ratio

**[02:36:04.824] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002529)  
sa pagkakaalam ninyo?

**[02:36:05.664] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002530)  
ideal ratio po ay 1 is to 50

**[02:36:07.755] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002531)  
sino po nagsabi ng ideal ratio na yan?

**[02:36:10.355] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002532)  
UNODC po,

**[02:36:11.488] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002533)  
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.

**[02:36:13.638] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002534)  
so medyo hindi po tayo

**[02:36:15.925] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002535)  
nagko-comply don

**[02:36:17.449] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002536)  
at paano po ito nakakapekto sa trabaho

**[02:36:19.912] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002537)  
at servisyo sa lipunan?

**[02:36:22.120] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002538)  
during my term as the

**[02:36:23.799] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002539)  
administrator of the PPA

**[02:36:25.558] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002540)  
we identified problems

**[02:36:27.457] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002541)  
within the system

**[02:36:29.856] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002542)  
and we identified

**[02:36:31.035] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002543)  
55,000

**[02:36:32.694] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002544)  
unaccounted for or not

**[02:36:35.433] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002545)  
in the system

**[02:36:37.412] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002546)  
and we gave this message

**[02:36:41.190] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002547)  
to the Secretary of Justice

**[02:36:42.729] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002548)  
and the Philippine anti-drugs

**[02:36:45.388] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002549)  
PADS

**[02:36:46.987] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002550)  
supported us with

**[02:36:48.426] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002551)  
50 million per year

**[02:36:50.285] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002552)  
it is now a tier 1

**[02:36:52.964] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002553)  
expense

**[02:36:53.803] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002554)  
we are on our second year

**[02:36:55.703] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002555)  
and ngayon po 1 is to

**[02:36:57.901] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002556)  
320 na lang po ang case load

**[02:37:00.520] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002557)  
but still behind the 1 is to 50

**[02:37:02.518] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002558)  
na sinasabi nyo

**[02:37:03.722] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002559)  
so insufficient staffing

**[02:37:05.292] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002560)  
isang problema, tinukoy nyo

**[02:37:06.760] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002561)  
excessive cases

**[02:37:07.229] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002562)  
case load.

**[02:37:08.983] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002563)  
Organizationally, mayroon problem tayo

**[02:37:11.246] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002564)  
sa structure?

**[02:37:13.000] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002565)  
Because we promoted about

**[02:37:15.478] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002566)  
300 individuals

**[02:37:17.207] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002567)  
and these 300 individuals

**[02:37:19.727] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002568)  
including probation officers

**[02:37:21.705] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002569)  
shed their level

**[02:37:23.975] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002570)  
kaya may vacant pa rin po kami na

**[02:37:25.933] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002571)  
three hundred—about 275.

**[02:37:28.453] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002572)  
Tapos binanggit nyo na

**[02:37:30.369] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002573)  
iyong benepisyo

**[02:37:32.014] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002574)  
mababa.

**[02:37:34.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002575)  
What about the technological

**[02:37:36.321] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002576)  
systems? Kamusta po tayo

**[02:37:38.305] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002577)  
diyan?

**[02:37:40.003] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002578)  
I'm happy to inform the committee that our

**[02:37:41.472] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002579)  
computer system is

**[02:37:43.532] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002580)  
at par dun sa

**[02:37:45.345] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002581)  
NJIS, and

**[02:37:47.443] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002582)  
anytime that they turn on the computer

**[02:37:49.542] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002583)  
system, we will be compliant.

**[02:37:51.240] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002584)  
Okay, so binanggit nyo yung ratio

**[02:37:53.067] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002585)  
na hindi medyo

**[02:37:54.969] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002586)  
talagang dehado yung mga staff

**[02:37:56.983] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002587)  
dahil sa dami po ng kliyente.

**[02:37:59.034] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002588)  
Isang tugon diyan ay

**[02:38:00.488] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002589)  
either paramihin—pag pinarami

**[02:38:02.539] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002590)  
po yung staff, pinalaki yung staff, lalaki

**[02:38:04.199] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002591)  
iyong gastos.

**[02:38:04.628] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002592)  
Isang bahagi dyan ay

**[02:38:07.518] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002593)  
kung hindi mo mapapalaki,

**[02:38:08.991] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002594)  
i-upskill na lang sila. Tama?

**[02:38:10.520] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002595)  
Tama po yun.

**[02:38:11.565] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002596)  
Okay. Pag may upskilling, may gastos din.

**[02:38:14.678] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002597)  
May gastos po.

**[02:38:16.450] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002598)  
So ang tanong ko po, alam po, excited

**[02:38:18.995] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002599)  
kayo sumagot, pero yung gastos po ba

**[02:38:21.699] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002600)  
for upskilling dahil hindi kayo nabigyan

**[02:38:23.812] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002601)  
karagdagan na pwesto para sa staff,

**[02:38:26.516] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002602)  
ay nakapaloob ba sa

**[02:38:27.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002603)  
budget na pino-propose?

**[02:38:30.470] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002604)  
Nasa wish list po namin

**[02:38:32.133] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002605)  
ang improvement ng mga skills

**[02:38:34.739] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002606)  
at

**[02:38:36.125] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002607)  
mga probation officers.

**[02:38:38.250] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002608)  
Magkano po iyon?

**[02:38:39.192] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002609)  
Ito po ay ladderized three-year

**[02:38:41.206] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002610)  
probation officer development program

**[02:38:43.442] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002611)  
na 8,198,000.

**[02:38:46.399] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002612)  
Hindi napagbigyan?

**[02:38:48.120] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002613)  
Hindi po.

**[02:38:49.727] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002614)  
Wish list pa po namin.

**[02:38:51.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002615)  
Sana po sa ating

**[02:38:53.125] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002616)  
mapag-isipan yan

**[02:38:56.222] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002617)  
at kung maaari,

**[02:38:57.433] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002618)  
nakita ninyo naman, napakahirap ng laban nila,

**[02:38:59.557] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002619)  
napakaraming kliyente na sineservisyuhan.

**[02:39:01.820] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002620)  
Kung hindi po mapaparami ang mga pwesto,

**[02:39:03.746] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002621)  
dapat at least dagdagan po

**[02:39:05.493] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002622)  
ang training programs para

**[02:39:07.399] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002623)  
i-upskill sila at magampanan nila

**[02:39:09.364] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002624)  
iyong katungkulan sa batas.

**[02:39:11.250] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002625)  
At bukod doon, napansin ko, ang laki po

**[02:39:12.997] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002626)  
ng binaba ng budget ninyo.

**[02:39:15.022] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002627)  
Kung titingnan iyong General Administration Support Services,

**[02:39:17.504] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002628)  
mababa ng 35.97%.

**[02:39:20.680] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002629)  
Opo.

**[02:39:21.257] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002630)  
Majority po yun ay because we are

**[02:39:23.247] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002631)  
compliant with the ISSP

**[02:39:25.277] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002632)  
tungkol po sa computer

**[02:39:27.148] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002633)  
system.

**[02:39:29.576] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002634)  
Oo, pero ibig sabihin din iyon, bagamat compliant kayo sa computer

**[02:39:31.267] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002635)  
system, ibig sabihin po ninyo, yung ibang

**[02:39:33.098] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002636)  
kahilingan ninyo tungkol doon sa

**[02:39:35.148] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002637)  
pagmamodernize ng PPA, na nakapaloob

**[02:39:37.456] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002638)  
po doon sa mga panukalang

**[02:39:39.327] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002639)  
batas na sinusunod ninyo, hindi po

**[02:39:41.317] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002640)  
napondohan. Tama?

**[02:39:42.750] PPA Administrator Bienvenido E. Benitez Jr.** (asr-002641)  
Tama po yun.

**[02:39:43.655] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002642)  
Okay.

**[02:39:45.439] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002643)  
Next question po. Dito naman po

**[02:39:48.026] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002644)  
tayo sa

**[02:39:48.772] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002645)  
public attorney's office.

**[02:39:53.399] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002646)  
Thank you, sir.

**[02:39:54.680] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002647)  
Kay Chief Persida Acosta, aking

**[02:39:56.442] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002648)  
kababayan

**[02:39:58.944] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002649)  
sa Bataan.

**[02:40:01.247] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002650)  
Unang-una, nagpapasalamat sa tulong

**[02:40:03.109] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002651)  
ng PAO.

**[02:40:05.071] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002652)  
Nakakatuwa na lumaki iyong salary

**[02:40:07.393] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002653)  
ng PAO at dahil diyan, marahil

**[02:40:09.115] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002654)  
marami na kayong applications.

**[02:40:11.217] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002655)  
Kumusta naman po iyong caseload ng bawat PAO?

**[02:40:13.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002656)  
Alam ko, nakakatugon

**[02:40:15.982] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002657)  
ho ba kayo? Feeling nyo ho ba?

**[02:40:17.924] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002658)  
You're spread too thin?

**[02:40:19.466] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002659)  
At ano ho ang tugon nyo doon?

**[02:40:23.640] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002660)  
With the permission of the

**[02:40:24.726] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002661)  
chair, ang bawat abogado

**[02:40:26.544] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002662)  
po ay humahawak ng

**[02:40:28.203] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002663)  
315 cases per month.

**[02:40:31.166] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002664)  
Is that sa inyong

**[02:40:32.371] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002665)  
tantiya? Iyan po ba

**[02:40:34.287] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002666)  
ay sobra?

**[02:40:36.243] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002667)  
Sakto lang o kulang?

**[02:40:38.100] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002668)  
Sobrang overwork po ang PAO.

**[02:40:39.875] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002669)  
Kaya pag naka-five years, nagpipiskal,

**[02:40:42.155] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002670)  
nag-MTC judge,

**[02:40:43.830] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002671)  
nagiging training officer lang po ako ng mga

**[02:40:45.948] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002672)  
public attorneys. Para maging justice

**[02:40:48.329] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002673)  
din. May mga justice na rin po tayo sa

**[02:40:50.145] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002674)  
Supreme Court dalawa galing sa PAO.

**[02:40:53.292] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002675)  
Yung budget nyo,

**[02:40:54.664] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002676)  
na po na ko, tumaas?

**[02:40:56.359] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002677)  
Tumaas po dahil mayroon pong

**[02:40:58.134] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002678)  
dati pang added 87

**[02:41:00.333] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002679)  
items, ngayon po lang napondohan.

**[02:41:03.319] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002680)  
Meron po bang

**[02:41:04.346] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002681)  
yung sinasabi yung kakulangan sa

**[02:41:06.287] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002682)  
amin ng abogado para tugunan yung

**[02:41:08.038] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002683)  
caseload, lumalaking caseload,

**[02:41:09.997] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002684)  
yun po ba meron pong response

**[02:41:11.767] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002685)  
na nakapaloob at sinasalamin

**[02:41:13.936] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002686)  
ng budget? In other words, tumaas na to,

**[02:41:16.086] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002687)  
tumaas dahil sa yung mga

**[02:41:17.646] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002688)  
problema binanggit nyo. Mandatory

**[02:41:19.377] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002689)  
increases lang po yun. Mandatory

**[02:41:21.337] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002690)  
increases. So hindi pa rin nabibigyang-pansin.

**[02:41:23.924] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002691)  
Meron po ba kayong wish

**[02:41:25.218] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002692)  
na sa wish list na hindi napagbigyan?

**[02:41:27.920] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002693)  
Meron pa po kaming wishlist.

**[02:41:29.949] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002694)  
Humihingi po kami ng

**[02:41:30.821] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002695)  
559 additional.

**[02:41:33.526] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002696)  
Dahil gaya ng sinabi ko po kanina,

**[02:41:35.839] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002697)  
counterpart po namin na

**[02:41:37.802] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002698)  
prosecutors, SolGen,

**[02:41:40.245] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002699)  
labor cases may hawak din

**[02:41:42.013] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002700)  
ng PAO. Meron din po kami

**[02:41:43.845] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002701)  
mediation and arbitration.

**[02:41:46.332] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002702)  
Dahil meron tayong PAO versus

**[02:41:48.404] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002703)  
PAO cases, mini-mediate na lang namin

**[02:41:50.739] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002704)  
para mawala ang conflict.

**[02:41:53.160] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002705)  
Tapos meron pa rin tayong counterpart,

**[02:41:55.169] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002706)  
mga private lawyers from the IBP

**[02:41:57.118] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002707)  
at saka regular private lawyers.

**[02:41:59.343] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002708)  
May preliminary investigation,

**[02:42:01.155] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002709)  
may inquest duties po,

**[02:42:02.986] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002710)  
may barangay outreach,

**[02:42:04.266] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002711)  
at marami po kaming trabaho

**[02:42:06.294] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002712)  
talaga sa PAO.

**[02:42:07.062] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002713)  
Legal counseling.

**[02:42:08.441] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002714)  
Tina-tap na rin kami ng DMW at OWWA

**[02:42:11.040] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002715)  
para sa mga OFWs abroad.

**[02:42:13.639] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002716)  
Nagpapalipad po tayo ng mga PAO lawyers

**[02:42:15.550] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002717)  
pag may caravan.

**[02:42:17.164] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002718)  
Tumutulong din po tayo sa katarungan

**[02:42:19.291] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002719)  
pambarangay caravan ng ating DOJ,

**[02:42:21.851] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002720)  
Serbisyo Caravan.

**[02:42:23.525] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002721)  
Napakaraming pong gawa ng ating PAO.

**[02:42:25.651] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002722)  
Meron din tayong legal counseling

**[02:42:27.089] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002723)  
by text, messenger, viber.

**[02:42:29.767] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002724)  
Nagbibigay po tayo ng 500 pesos

**[02:42:31.913] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002725)  
per month para sa ating lawyers

**[02:42:33.469] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002726)  
para makapag-counseling din sila

**[02:42:35.576] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002727)  
via social media.

**[02:42:36.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002728)  
Pero hindi po nakumbinsi ang DBM, ano?

**[02:42:39.399] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002729)  
Nakaintindihan po namin

**[02:42:40.262] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002730)  
ang kakulangan ng pondo

**[02:42:41.504] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002731)  
pero nakita natin iyong PAO kanina

**[02:42:43.524] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002732)  
parang kudlit lang ang budget

**[02:42:45.818] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002733)  
ng DOJ

**[02:42:46.660] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002734)  
at nakiki-commiserate po ako sa mga kasama

**[02:42:50.090] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002735)  
ko sa DOJ, gaya ng NBI,

**[02:42:52.973] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002736)  
PPA, mga nabawasan,

**[02:42:54.741] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002737)  
sana po ibalik.

**[02:42:56.193] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002738)  
Lalo ang NBI, gusto ko pong sana

**[02:42:57.940] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002739)  
dagdagan po ng intel dahil napakasipag

**[02:43:00.381] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002740)  
po ng mga NBI natin.

**[02:43:01.560] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002741)  
Ay, masipag po talaga yan. Dapat talagang lakihin ang kanilang pondo.

**[02:43:04.138] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002742)  
Agree po ako diyan.

**[02:43:06.040] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002743)  
Kaya nila, technical service, talagang

**[02:43:08.286] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002744)  
labor of love po.

**[02:43:10.187] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002745)  
O, kayo rin po, labor of love.

**[02:43:12.002] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002746)  
At dahil dyan, dapat mahalin kayo, dagdagan ang inyong pondo.

**[02:43:15.760] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002747)  
Tama po.

**[02:43:16.232] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002748)  
Ang unang-unang sumusuporta ang PAO yan po.

**[02:43:18.062] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002749)  
Pag nasa lalawigan kayo,

**[02:43:20.030] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002750)  
nakakasalamuha iyong mga constituents ninyo,

**[02:43:22.706] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002751)  
and dapat abogado po kayo.

**[02:43:24.713] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002752)  
Katulad ko po, lumalapit sa akin,

**[02:43:26.543] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002753)  
dumadaing, at nangakailangan po talagang

**[02:43:28.767] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002754)  
na serbisyo legal mula sa PAO.

**[02:43:30.006] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002755)  
Mayroon po tayong bagong project noong taong ito

**[02:43:31.836] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002756)  
para sa indigenous peoples.

**[02:43:33.962] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002757)  
Nakarating na po ako sa Benguet,

**[02:43:36.421] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002758)  
Visayas, Mindanao, Mangyan.

**[02:43:38.527] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002759)  
Talagang kailangan po hanggang sa kabundukan

**[02:43:40.455] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002760)  
ng mga public attorneys.

**[02:43:42.167] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002761)  
At pangarap ko sana, bawat embahada,

**[02:43:44.863] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002762)  
hindi lang may NBI agent doon,

**[02:43:46.771] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002763)  
may PAO lawyer din, tutulong

**[02:43:48.405] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002764)  
sa ating OFWs, makipag-coordinate

**[02:43:50.313] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002765)  
sa counterparts, para

**[02:43:51.927] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002766)  
mabawasan ang nakukulong

**[02:43:53.836] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002767)  
ng mga OFWs po.

**[02:43:55.980] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002768)  
Additional 500 million po ang hinahanap ninyo?

**[02:43:58.499] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002769)  
Hindi naman ho, pero

**[02:43:59.719] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002770)  
kung ano lang pong kaya sana ng gobyerno,

**[02:44:02.238] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002771)  
kung napupondohan yung iba,

**[02:44:03.910] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002772)  
tapos napupunta lamang sa scandal,

**[02:44:05.937] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002773)  
sana yun talagang nagwo-work po

**[02:44:08.338] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002774)  
ang mabigyan ng pondo.

**[02:44:10.502] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002775)  
Subok po ang NBI.

**[02:44:11.939] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002776)  
Tsaka mga kasama ko sa department, mga piskal,

**[02:44:14.576] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002777)  
mahal ko po sila dahil mga dati

**[02:44:16.110] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002778)  
PAO ko po karamihan. 80% ng mga

**[02:44:17.842] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002779)  
prosecutors galing po sa akin.

**[02:44:19.849] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002780)  
Sa PAO, naging mentor po nila ako.

**[02:44:22.683] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002781)  
Kaya nalulungkot po ako

**[02:44:23.981] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002782)  
pag nakikita ko may bawas po ang budget

**[02:44:25.870] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002783)  
ng mga ahensya ng DOJ.

**[02:44:27.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002784)  
Sige po. Hayaan ninyo, susuportahan namin

**[02:44:30.023] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002785)  
yung pagdagdag ng

**[02:44:31.175] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002786)  
budget ng PAO.

**[02:44:33.760] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-002787)  
Opo.

**[02:44:37.990] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002788)  
Sa LRA, andyan po ba

**[02:44:40.409] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002789)  
ang LRA?

**[02:44:42.597] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002790)  
Sir, napansin ko yung support for operations nyo,

**[02:44:44.995] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002791)  
lumobo ng 86.15%.

**[02:44:47.414] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002792)  
Ano po dahilan para dyan?

**[02:44:58.720] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002793)  
Sir, iyong pong support for services na nasa ICTD po namin, sa improvement po ng aming services on technology ho.

**[02:45:07.120] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002794)  
With the improvement in services, gaganda ho ba at bibilis iyong pag-i-issue ng mga titulo na kinakailangan?

**[02:45:13.439] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002795)  
Inaasahan ho namin sa pagkakaroon ng makabagong teknolohiya, maaari ho natin mapabilis na ho talaga.

**[02:45:19.437] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002796)  
At maiwasan na rin ho ang pagkakaroon ng mga pekeng titulo rin ho.

**[02:45:23.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002797)  
Kasi isang hinaing doon po ng marami, lalo na ng mga magsasaka na naghihintay ng CLOA, na mabagal po iyong pag-i-issue ng mga titulo.

**[02:45:33.571] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002798)  
Kasi may mga anomalya ring nangyayari. Ano hong ginagawa ng ahensya para imbestigahan ang mga ito at mapabilis ang paglabas ng titulo?

**[02:45:41.399] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002799)  
Sa usapin po ng mga CLOA, kami po ay mahigpit na nakikipag-ugnayan ho sa Department of Agrarian Reform.

**[02:45:51.751] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002800)  
Sa opisina ni Secretary Conrado Estrella po.

**[02:45:53.684] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002801)  
So unti-unti ho namin na natatapos at naaayos ang mga issue sa usapin sa mga CLOWA po.

**[02:46:03.472] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002802)  
At kami po ngayon ay nagsasagawa ho ng programa para mapabilis na ho ang distribution ng ating CLOA.

**[02:46:12.373] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002803)  
Meron pong ina-undertake na programa si Secretary Conrado na amin pong tinutulungan, ang DAR SPLIT Program po.

**[02:46:21.113] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002804)  
So sa programang iyon ay iyong mga collective CLOA, nababasag ho natin into individual CLOAs and napagdi-distribute po sa ating mga agrarian reform beneficiaries.

**[02:46:33.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002805)  
Siguro naman ho, susukatin ninyo iyong bilis kung iyan po ang target ninyo—susukatin ninyo kung naging matagumpay ang inyong inisyatibo. Tama po?

**[02:46:41.960] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002806)  
Opo, hindi lang pong bilis pati po yung bilang po ng ating mga titulo na naipamimigay po.

**[02:46:48.217] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-002807)  
Ang target ho natin ay isang milyong titulo ang maibibigay natin sa ating mga kababayan, at sa aking tantiya nasa 200,000 na ho ang naibibigay po.

**[02:46:59.000] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002808)  
Next question po. Kaya para sa last set of questions, patapos na ho.

**[02:47:05.006] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002809)  
Ay tapos na, last question.

**[02:47:07.399] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002811)  
So, to the OSG, to Solicitor General Berberabe, I note that lumaki po iyong inyong budget for General Administration Support Services.

**[02:47:17.597] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002812)  
I know previously...

**[02:47:19.523] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-002813)  
Nagkaroon kayo ng problema sa caseload, tama? Pero naremedyuhan ninyo. To what extent po iyong dagdag na budget ninyo ay bilang pagtugon sa mga problemang babanggitin ninyo sa amin ngayon?

**[02:47:32.640] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-002814)  
Okay. Salamat po sa attention po sa OSG. With regard po sa increase ng budget, substantial portion po nito ay mapupunta sa building po ng OSG.

**[02:47:48.520] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-002815)  
So sa ngayon po, yung OSG main building, 49 years old na po ito. Ilang dekada na po na pinag-uusapan. In fact, kakalahati na lang po ang occupants ng OSG sapagkat medyo kahit po dumadaan lang ay mga sasakyan para pong may lindol sa loob ng OSG.

**[02:48:05.160] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-002816)  
So iilan na lang po kaming opisina na natitira sa OSG main.

**[02:48:15.200] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-002818)  
Ang unang taon ng installment. Ang sinuggest po sa amin ng DBM Secretary at saka ng DOF Secretary, imbes po na bumili o magpagawa from scratch, ay humanap po ng building na ready-made at lease-to-own po.

**[02:48:32.840] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-002819)  
So dadaan po kami sa GSIS, Government Financial Institution, sila po ang bibili at kami naman po ay magbabayad ng sampung taon.

**[02:48:44.120] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-002820)  
So iyon po sana ang aming pakiusap na kung ma-approve po sa GAA, iyong kasama na rin sa proposal ng NEP, ay matutuloy po, mabibigyan kami ng MYCA at makakalipat po, sapagkat 2022 pa po ang report na ang structural integrity po ng building ay talagang tagilid na po ang estado.

**[02:49:05.800] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-002821)  
Pero yun naman po ay ibebenta ang building na iyon at mapupunta po ang pagbebentahan sa Bureau of Treasury.

**[02:49:14.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002822)  
Thank you, Cong. Tony.

**[02:49:18.080] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-002823)  
Next in line from the minority, Representative Sarah Elago.

**[02:49:24.520] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002824)  
Maraming salamat, Mr. Chair.

**[02:49:26.903] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002825)  
We in Gabriela Women's Party likewise express grave concern over the proposed massive budget cuts in the budget of the Special Enforcement and Protection Subprogram,

**[02:49:38.908] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002826)  
particularly in anti-trafficking in persons enforcement, anti-cybercrime enforcement, as well as the NCC-OSAEC-CSAEM.

**[02:49:45.415] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002828)  
Now, Mr. Chair, may we know the 2027 proposed funding for these particular programs?

**[02:49:52.379] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002829)  
Natalakay po kanina kung magkano yung gusto nating ma-restore na cuts, pero gusto ko lang din ho malaman kung magkano ba yung kinakailangan para maabot yung mga kinakailangan nilang magawa para sa susunod na taon.

**[02:50:08.967] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002830)  
Lalong-lalo na hindi naman po bumababa ang mga kaso.

**[02:50:13.641] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002831)  
Sa katunayan, Mr. Chair,

**[02:50:16.023] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002832)  
Marami ring mga kaso na hindi na talaga nagtutuloy doon sa mismong pagfa-file ng complaint dahil sa laganap pa rin na victim blaming, shaming, o yung takot na wala rin namang mananagot kapag sila ay nagsumbong.

**[02:50:33.069] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002833)  
May we hear, Mr. Chair, from the DOJ or those in charge in the particular programs?

**[02:50:40.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002834)  
If I may ask, Asec. Michelle, can you elucidate?

**[02:50:45.880] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002835)  
Thank you, Secretary.

**[02:50:48.365] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002836)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[02:50:51.495] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002837)  
Ma'am, for 2026, if I may just clarify, the budget of the NCC-OSAEC-CSAEM Secretariat for 2026 is a total of 111.5 million.

**[02:51:06.236] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002838)  
In the 2027 NEP, it's only 35.6 million.

**[02:51:11.946] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002839)  
So it is our proposal or request that

**[02:51:17.657] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002840)  
we increase this by 75.9 million to restore to the 2026 levels.

**[02:51:25.947] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002841)  
For the Inter-Agency Council Against Trafficking Secretariat, in 2026, the total budget of the IACAT Secretariat is 119 million.

**[02:51:38.753] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002842)  
For the 2027 NEP, it's down to 70 million.

**[02:51:45.108] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002843)  
So we're requesting...

**[02:51:47.594] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002844)  
for more or less 50 million, or 49 million to be exact.

**[02:51:55.884] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002845)  
And for the Office of Cybercrime, in 2026, it had a total budget of 102.2 million.

**[02:52:06.755] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002846)  
For the 2027 NEP, it's reduced to 12.273 million.

**[02:52:13.120] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002847)  
12.273

**[02:52:14.060] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002848)  
million. So yung 90% po yung na-reduce from 2026.

**[02:52:18.118] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002849)  
Mr. Chair, mas mababa pa

**[02:52:20.617] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002850)  
pala, no? Mas malalim pa pala yung mga binawas pagdating sa mga

**[02:52:25.844] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002851)  
programa na ito. Ibig sabihin, yung original proposed budget ninyo ay pareho lang ng 2026 GAA o mas mataas pa?

**[02:52:34.200] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002852)  
As to your ask, Mr. Chair, for the original proposed budget for

**[02:52:41.619] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002853)  
2027: for the original proposed budget po, we were constrained to limit our proposals, Madam

**[02:52:50.754] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002854)  
Chair. However, we want to take this opportunity to impress that the real operational need of these units

**[02:53:01.608] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002855)  
are at the level of the same 2026 budget.

**[02:53:07.319] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002856)  
Mr. Chair, we know why

**[02:53:10.290] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002857)  
the

**[02:53:11.324] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002858)  
bodies

**[02:53:12.358] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002859)  
in charge are limited to impose a particular ceiling based on the 2026 GAA on their

**[02:53:20.655] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002860)  
proposals. Hindi ba dapat na, kumbaga, kung ano yung mga kailangan at yung mga dapat para magawa

**[02:53:29.436] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002861)  
yung trabaho ninyo, iyon

**[02:53:31.922] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002862)  
yung ipo-propose natin? Anyhow, meron pa namang pagdadaanan na

**[02:53:36.830] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002863)  
DBM, no? Para, kumbaga, kung ano lang yung batay sa utilization, kung

**[02:53:43.190] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002864)  
ano lang yung batay sa absorptive capacity, iyon lang yung maaaring maibigay.

**[02:53:49.560] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002865)  
Thank you, ma'am, for that question and for echoing our concern as well. Given din po

**[02:53:57.130] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002866)  
yung limitation on the absorptive capacity, as was raised a while ago, na-mention na

**[02:54:03.822] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002867)  
po namin na kailangan ding dagdagan yung ability to conduct timely and reliable procurement processes, as well as

**[02:54:12.269] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002868)  
yung need po for additional plantilla

**[02:54:15.451] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002869)  
positions. Because the

**[02:54:17.318] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002870)  
NCC-OSAEC-CSAEM, IACAT, and OOC budgets are part of a bigger budget po under

**[02:54:23.571] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002871)  
the Office of the Secretary. So kaya

**[02:54:27.192] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002872)  
po constrained din po kami in relation doon sa kabuuang

**[02:54:32.129] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002873)  
budget na hinihingi po under the Office of the

**[02:54:36.628] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002874)  
Secretary. But we

**[02:54:38.494] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002875)  
appreciate and take this opportunity to underscore the real

**[02:54:42.993] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002876)  
operational need

**[02:54:44.420] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002877)  
ng mga divisions

**[02:54:46.286] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-002878)  
and units po na ito.

**[02:54:49.040] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002879)  
Yes, Mr. Chair.

**[02:54:50.849] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002880)  
Hingin na lang ho natin yung original

**[02:54:54.336] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002881)  
proposal ng mga nabanggit

**[02:54:56.565] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002882)  
na subprograms, mga particular bodies na nangangailangan

**[02:55:00.053] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002883)  
at may trabaho pagdating sa special enforcement and protection. Ngayon,

**[02:55:04.799] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002884)  
Mr. Chair, nais ko

**[02:55:07.028] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002885)  
hong magtanong tungkol sa pag-decongest ng NBP. Nabigyan tayo kanina ng update that

**[02:55:13.033] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002886)  
BuCor is still on track for

**[02:55:16.101] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002887)  
its 2028 target for the decongestion of the New Bilibid Prison.

**[02:55:21.267] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002888)  
May we know, Mr. Chair, if there are any

**[02:55:25.594] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002889)  
complaints or concerns with regard

**[02:55:28.242] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002890)  
to the transfer raised before the Bureau? For instance, Mr. Chair, we've

**[02:55:33.828] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002891)  
received reports na, kumbaga,

**[02:55:36.056] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002892)  
ang request po sana ay mas malapit doon

**[02:55:39.964] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002893)  
sa mga lugar

**[02:55:41.772] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002894)  
kung saan ang kanilang mga minamahal at

**[02:55:45.260] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002895)  
kanilang mga pamilya, doon ho dapat mailipat yung mga

**[02:55:49.587] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002896)  
PDL. May natanggap ho ba na

**[02:55:52.655] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002897)  
mga ganitong tipo ng concern, at ano

**[02:55:56.142] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002898)  
ang ginawa ng BuCor sa pagtugon sa mga ito?

**[02:56:00.479] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002899)  
With the permission of Secretary...

**[02:56:04.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-002900)  
Yes, you may.

**[02:56:04.810] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002901)  
Mr. Chair,

**[02:56:07.040] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002902)  
Ang ginagawa po ngayon sa BuCor,

**[02:56:10.100] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002903)  
for as long as we can hold on doon sa may nagre-request

**[02:56:15.670] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002904)  
na huwag muna silang ilipat, they are

**[02:56:19.149] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002905)  
given, they are allowed. Opo. And

**[02:56:22.209] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002906)  
then,

**[02:56:23.177] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002907)  
of course, ang time frame po natin is 2028,

**[02:56:27.493] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002908)  
where masasara na po natin itong New

**[02:56:30.971] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002909)  
Bilibid. That's why nabigyan po tayo ng

**[02:56:34.450] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002910)  
ating gobyerno ng about

**[02:56:36.673] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002911)  
5 billion to spread

**[02:56:38.897] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002912)  
the regionalization. Meron na po

**[02:56:41.538] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002913)  
tayo sa

**[02:56:42.925] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002914)  
Davao,

**[02:56:43.893] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002915)  
sa Zamboanga, Leyte,

**[02:56:45.698] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002916)  
sa Mindoro, and

**[02:56:47.504] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002917)  
then Palawan. And then,

**[02:56:49.727] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002918)  
of course, ang plano po kasi namin sa mga PDL ay bigyan talaga

**[02:56:55.716] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002919)  
sila ng bagong

**[02:56:57.521] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002920)  
buhay, bagong pag-asa.

**[02:56:59.326] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002921)  
And itong

**[02:57:00.712] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002922)  
Palawan po, 32,000 hectares. Ang balak po natin diyan

**[02:57:05.028] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002923)  
gawing PEZA zone para lahat

**[02:57:07.669] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002924)  
ng mga PDL na

**[02:57:09.893] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002925)  
mailipat, mga 70%

**[02:57:11.698] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002926)  
na mailipat doon, doon

**[02:57:13.921] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002927)  
na po magtatrabaho.

**[02:57:15.726] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002928)  
They will be serving as employees ng mga PEZA zone, pero

**[02:57:20.878] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002929)  
PDL pa rin po sila.

**[02:57:23.520] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002930)  
And then paglaya nila, they

**[02:57:26.162] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002931)  
will be hired as regular employees. And then

**[02:57:30.059] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002932)  
meron din pong naibigay na lupa na 1,700 hectares para talagang

**[02:57:35.211] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002933)  
bigyan na

**[02:57:36.597] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002934)  
rin yung mga PDL; paglaya nila, bibigyan

**[02:57:40.076] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002935)  
na rin po

**[02:57:41.881] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002936)  
sila ng sariling lupa na puwede na po

**[02:57:45.778] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002937)  
sila doon tumira. But kung gusto

**[02:57:48.838] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002938)  
talaga nilang nasa Luzon lang sila, lately po binigyan tayo

**[02:57:53.572] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002939)  
ni Governor Umali ng Nueva Ecija ng

**[02:57:57.050] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002940)  
60 hectares para doon po ilipat yung

**[02:58:00.529] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002941)  
mga kababayan niya. And of course, kaya

**[02:58:04.007] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002942)  
rin naman siguro

**[02:58:05.812] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002943)  
mag-absorb, for those who are north of Metro

**[02:58:09.709] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002944)  
Manila, doon na po

**[02:58:11.932] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002945)  
mailagay sa Nueva

**[02:58:13.738] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002946)  
Ecija. Pero south of Metro Manila,

**[02:58:16.798] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002947)  
may tinitingnan din po tayo

**[02:58:19.439] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002948)  
dito sa lupa ng UP Land Grant

**[02:58:22.918] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002949)  
na nire-request namin na mag-swapping kami ng

**[02:58:26.396] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002950)  
500 hectares,

**[02:58:27.783] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002951)  
kasi may lupa sila

**[02:58:30.007] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002952)  
na 8,000 hectares

**[02:58:31.812] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002953)  
na nasa

**[02:58:33.198] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002954)  
Siniloan at meron naman kaming lupa

**[02:58:36.259] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002955)  
sa Palawan

**[02:58:37.645] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002956)  
na napakalaki. So mag-swap,

**[02:58:39.869] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002957)  
makapagtayo din ang University of the

**[02:58:42.929] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002958)  
Philippines sa Palawan. And then,

**[02:58:45.571] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002959)  
of course, yung mga south of

**[02:58:48.631] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002960)  
Metro Manila,

**[02:58:50.017] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002961)  
doon naman mailagay ang mga

**[02:58:52.659] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002962)  
PDL. Lately po, sa assessment

**[02:58:55.301] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002963)  
namin, karamihan po ng taga-Visayas na

**[02:58:58.361] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002964)  
mga nakakulong sa BuCor ay

**[02:59:01.003] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002965)  
taga-Cebu. Kaya nag-a-appeal din po kami

**[02:59:04.063] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002966)  
sa Cebu para sa ganoon, yung

**[02:59:07.123] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002967)  
karamihan ng taga-Cebu doon na rin

**[02:59:10.183] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002968)  
po makatira. Pero dito po sa Mindanao,

**[02:59:13.662] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002969)  
meron na po tayo sa Davao at mayroon na

**[02:59:17.977] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002970)  
rin po tayo sa Zamboanga. Pero tumitingin

**[02:59:21.456] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002971)  
po kami sa Central

**[02:59:23.679] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002972)  
Mindanao at saka sa Sasa Farm

**[02:59:26.739] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002973)  
para sa ganoon, yung ating mga PDL

**[02:59:30.218] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002974)  
na gustong makabalik din sa Mindanao ay

**[02:59:33.696] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002975)  
doon na rin po makulong.

**[02:59:38.296] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002976)  
Na-raise natin, Mr. Chair,

**[02:59:40.343] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002977)  
ang usapin na ito dahil

**[02:59:42.765] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002978)  
may commitment din ang Pilipinas pagdating

**[02:59:45.560] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002979)  
sa adherence niya

**[02:59:47.233] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002980)  
sa Mandela

**[02:59:48.532] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002981)  
Rules, sa ating

**[02:59:50.205] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002982)  
Standard Minimum Rules

**[02:59:51.878] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002983)  
for the Treatment of Prisoners.

**[02:59:54.299] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002984)  
Rule 59: prisoners

**[02:59:55.972] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002985)  
shall be allocated, to

**[02:59:58.019] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002986)  
the extent possible, to prisons close to their

**[03:00:01.564] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002987)  
homes or their places of social rehabilitation. So kung

**[03:00:05.482] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002988)  
may mga ganito pa na mga concerns, Mr. Chair, tayo ho

**[03:00:10.149] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002989)  
ay makikipag-ugnayan sa BuCor para matugunan ang mga ito.

**[03:00:14.068] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002990)  
Isa pa hong concern sa BuCor pa

**[03:00:17.238] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002991)  
rin ho, Mr. Chair, ang naipaulat ho

**[03:00:20.408] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002992)  
na nawawala na nasa 6 to 7 million sa trust funds ng mga PDL sa

**[03:00:26.573] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002993)  
Correctional Institution for Women. So imbes daw

**[03:00:29.743] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002994)  
po na 13 million ang naka-cash ay 6 million na lang ang natitira. May

**[03:00:35.533] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-002995)  
update na po ba tungkol sa investigation na may kinalaman dito?

**[03:00:40.244] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002996)  
Mr. Chair, under investigation po.

**[03:00:43.729] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002997)  
Ang pinagawa ko muna, ni-relieve ko iyong deputy at saka iyong head

**[03:00:51.322] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002998)  
ng office. Pati ni-relieve ko rin yung humahawak ng pera. And

**[03:00:58.328] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-002999)  
then, of course, iyon ang ina-account po namin. We just concluded

**[03:01:05.334] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003000)  
the investigation last Saturday. We are awaiting the

**[03:01:10.579] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003001)  
report. Ang unaccounted po na pera is

**[03:01:15.238] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003002)  
6,454,405. And ito po kasi hindi

**[03:01:19.309] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003003)  
naman po pera ng gobyerno; pera po ito ng mga PDL.

**[03:01:26.316] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003004)  
Kaya po masusing pag-iimbestiga ang aming ginagawa dito.

**[03:01:33.113] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003005)  
Mr. Chair, maganda nga na natapos na ho yung investigation at

**[03:01:38.019] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003006)  
manghihingi ho tayo ng pinakahuling ulat dito ng BuCor.

**[03:01:42.134] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003007)  
At nabanggit na rin po ni DG na-relieve nga po

**[03:01:46.644] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003008)  
yung ating superintendent at

**[03:01:48.778] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003009)  
ang Deputy for Administration habang hindi pa po

**[03:01:52.497] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003010)  
final itong investigation. Ngunit nabalitaan din

**[03:01:55.423] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003011)  
ho natin na na-reassign naman po sila

**[03:01:58.745] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003012)  
sa Office of the Deputy DG for Administration, to the BuCor National

**[03:02:04.048] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003013)  
Headquarters. Ang kinababahala ho natin dito ay hindi ba mako-compromise o

**[03:02:08.954] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003014)  
maaaring makompromiso yung ating ginagawang investigation dahil po nagkaroon lamang ng reassignment,

**[03:02:14.257] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003017)  
at sa national office

**[03:02:16.391] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003018)  
pa. Anong masasabi dito ng BuCor?

**[03:02:21.697] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003019)  
Ang pagka-attach na assignment nila is for them to be present for the

**[03:02:27.647] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003020)  
investigation. And I think iyan po ang isa pang tinitingnan ko dito sa BuCor. Hindi lang ito

**[03:02:35.260] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003021)  
mga PDL na mga pasaway, kundi

**[03:02:38.302] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003022)  
pati mga tauhan ko rin.

**[03:02:40.929] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003023)  
Kasi po talagang marami [unclear], pero hindi naman

**[03:02:44.803] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003024)  
po malaking porsyento, na after

**[03:02:47.430] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003025)  
four

**[03:02:48.395] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003026)  
years

**[03:02:49.361] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003027)  
of stay dito sa BuCor, may

**[03:02:52.403] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003028)  
mga tao talagang recalcitrant,

**[03:02:54.615] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003029)  
recidivist, incorrigible,

**[03:02:55.996] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003030)  
at saka

**[03:02:57.376] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003031)  
scalawag. So

**[03:02:58.757] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003032)  
dinismiss ko

**[03:03:00.138] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003033)  
na po talaga sa serbisyo,

**[03:03:02.765] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003034)  
43;

**[03:03:03.731] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003035)  
sinuspend ko, 137;

**[03:03:05.527] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003036)  
and nireprimand ko,

**[03:03:07.323] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003037)  
41. So I

**[03:03:09.119] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003038)  
will be very strict on

**[03:03:11.746] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003039)  
this. Kahit po mga matataas

**[03:03:14.374] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003040)  
silang opisyal,

**[03:03:15.754] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003041)  
pananagutin

**[03:03:16.720] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003042)  
ko sila, at kung kailangang ikulong,

**[03:03:19.762] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003043)  
ipakukulong ko rin sila.

**[03:03:22.463] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003044)  
Just a few questions, Mr. Chair, related to this

**[03:03:25.548] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003045)  
issue. Last question: may

**[03:03:27.224] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003046)  
proposal din daw ho na

**[03:03:29.182] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003047)  
magkaroon ng collection from

**[03:03:30.859] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003048)  
3 pesos kada 5 minutes

**[03:03:32.817] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003049)  
sa mga tawag to 5

**[03:03:34.775] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003050)  
pesos kada 5

**[03:03:36.170] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003051)  
minuto sa mga tawag.

**[03:03:37.846] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003052)  
Mangyayari pa rin ho ba ito?

**[03:03:40.086] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003053)  
At sa tingin ko ho, dapat hindi natin

**[03:03:42.889] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003054)  
ito payagan, na yung

**[03:03:44.566] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003055)  
mga PDL na ang

**[03:03:46.242] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003056)  
naagrabyado, na ngayon ay nawawala

**[03:03:48.200] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003057)  
ho yung hindi ma-account na

**[03:03:50.159] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003058)  
pera, eh sila pa ho ang

**[03:03:52.398] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003059)  
magshu-shoulder nung mas malaking

**[03:03:54.075] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003060)  
mga bayarin pagdating sa

**[03:03:55.751] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003061)  
mga pag-contact at pagtawag

**[03:03:57.428] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003062)  
sa kanila hong mga pamilya.

**[03:04:00.213] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003063)  
Mr. Chair,

**[03:04:01.488] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003064)  
pinaimbestigahan ko po iyan kasi

**[03:04:03.850] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003065)  
bawal po iyan, kahit

**[03:04:05.849] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003066)  
magkano o tataasan pa

**[03:04:07.849] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003067)  
at ipapasa, kasi dapat

**[03:04:09.848] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003068)  
meron naman po tayong e-dalaw,

**[03:04:12.210] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003069)  
o

**[03:04:13.123] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003070)  
meron silang sariling

**[03:04:14.760] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003071)  
oras para tumawag sa

**[03:04:16.759] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003072)  
mga kamag-anak nila.

**[03:04:18.396] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003073)  
Hindi po tino-tolerate iyan.

**[03:04:20.396] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003074)  
Bawal po iyan, kaya pinapaimbestigahan

**[03:04:22.758] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003075)  
ko rin iyan.

**[03:04:25.171] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003076)  
Mr. Chair, yung konkretong plano

**[03:04:27.413] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003077)  
ng BuCor para maibalik yung

**[03:04:29.656] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003078)  
nawawalang pera. Hindi po biro iyan,

**[03:04:32.237] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003079)  
yung 6 million plus na

**[03:04:34.479] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003080)  
nawawalang pera. Paano ho iyan

**[03:04:36.722] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003081)  
maibabalik doon sa mga

**[03:04:38.626] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003082)  
PDL na lubos na umaasa doon

**[03:04:41.206] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003083)  
sa pinapadala sa kanilang pera para sa

**[03:04:44.126] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003084)  
mga pang-araw-araw nila na mga

**[03:04:46.368] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003085)  
gastusin, mga pangangailangang medikal, at

**[03:04:48.611] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003086)  
marami pa hong ibang mga

**[03:04:50.853] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003087)  
pinagkakagastusan para sa

**[03:04:52.419] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003088)  
kanilang kalusugan?

**[03:04:53.646] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003089)  
At ano yung

**[03:04:55.211] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003090)  
seryosong effort para ho

**[03:04:57.115] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003091)  
mabuwag na yung

**[03:04:58.680] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003092)  
ganitong cashless system

**[03:05:00.246] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003093)  
na nagiging pugad pa ng korupsyon

**[03:05:02.827] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003094)  
o nagiging pugad pa ng [unclear]

**[03:05:05.408] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003095)  
at mga potensyal na abuso

**[03:05:07.650] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003096)  
sa kapangyarihan?

**[03:05:09.569] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003097)  
Mr. Chair,

**[03:05:10.971] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003098)  
seryoso po tayo diyan. Kung mapapatunayan

**[03:05:14.077] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003099)  
na tinangay nila yung mga

**[03:05:16.756] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003100)  
pera ng

**[03:05:18.158] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003101)  
PDL, kakasuhan sila at

**[03:05:20.412] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003102)  
siguro i-garnish kung anumang

**[03:05:22.666] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003103)  
ari-arian meron sila. And then, of

**[03:05:25.772] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003104)  
course, ito pong

**[03:05:27.600] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003105)  
cashless system,

**[03:05:29.001] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003106)  
talagang medyo

**[03:05:30.403] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003107)  
masalimuot. Nung isang araw

**[03:05:32.657] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003108)  
lang, nagpa-raid

**[03:05:34.059] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003109)  
ako sa

**[03:05:35.461] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003110)  
NBP

**[03:05:36.437] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003111)  
at nakakuha naman ako ng

**[03:05:39.117] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003112)  
2 million na

**[03:05:40.945] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003113)  
cash na

**[03:05:42.347] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003114)  
nakakalat

**[03:05:43.323] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003115)  
o hawak ng mga PDL.

**[03:05:46.002] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003116)  
Ang PDL po, authorized humawak lang

**[03:05:49.108] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003117)  
ng 2,000 kada isang linggo,

**[03:05:51.788] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003118)  
or

**[03:05:52.764] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003119)  
8,000 per

**[03:05:54.166] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003120)  
month. Pero yung nakuha po

**[03:05:56.845] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003121)  
natin na 2

**[03:05:58.673] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003122)  
million, kinumpiska ko po iyon. Kaya

**[03:06:01.779] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003123)  
kasi pag naman in-allow natin

**[03:06:04.459] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003124)  
sila na may pera,

**[03:06:06.713] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003125)  
magsusugal po

**[03:06:08.115] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003126)  
iyan, maglilibang, ay

**[03:06:09.942] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003127)  
magkakagulo na naman.

**[03:06:11.770] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003128)  
Dahil tandaan natin, yung last

**[03:06:14.450] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003129)  
2023, nagkagulo kasi

**[03:06:16.278] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003130)  
nagsusugal sila.

**[03:06:17.680] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003131)  
So talaga pong

**[03:06:19.508] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003132)  
kailangang pag-aralan kung papaano

**[03:06:21.762] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003133)  
ang sistema na may pera

**[03:06:24.441] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003134)  
sila na tag-2,000 lang.

**[03:06:26.695] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003135)  
At yung wala, kahit

**[03:06:28.949] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003136)  
sino

**[03:06:29.925] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003137)  
man naman nagpapadala, kasi

**[03:06:32.179] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003138)  
yung iba naman nasa abroad,

**[03:06:34.859] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003139)  
hindi naman puwedeng every week magpapadala

**[03:06:37.964] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003140)  
ng 2,000;

**[03:06:39.366] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003141)  
nag-iiwan ng malaki. Pero

**[03:06:41.620] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003142)  
dapat talagang may system. Ang

**[03:06:44.300] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003143)  
pinakasistema diyan, pagka

**[03:06:46.128] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003144)  
nagbigay ng pera,

**[03:06:47.956] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003145)  
ide-deposit sa cashier

**[03:06:49.783] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003146)  
at hindi puwedeng hawakan

**[03:06:52.037] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003147)  
ng mga individual na tao.

**[03:06:55.105] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003148)  
Mr. Chair, hindi pa rin ho

**[03:06:57.461] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003149)  
malinaw kung kailan ibabalik yung

**[03:06:59.515] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003150)  
pera. Kailan po ibabalik itong pera na

**[03:07:02.172] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003151)  
ito na kailangang-kailangan ng ating mga

**[03:07:04.527] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003152)  
PDL? Marami po dito may mga

**[03:07:06.883] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003153)  
sakit at nakasalalay po

**[03:07:08.637] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003154)  
sila, kumbaga, doon sa mga

**[03:07:10.691] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003155)  
pinapadala sa kanilang

**[03:07:12.144] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003156)  
pera. May we know the stand of the

**[03:07:15.101] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003157)  
Secretary on

**[03:07:16.253] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003158)  
this? Hayaan na lang ba natin na nawawala

**[03:07:19.211] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003159)  
ito, o magkaroon tayo ng malinaw

**[03:07:21.566] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003160)  
na commitment

**[03:07:22.718] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003161)  
kung kailan dapat maibalik

**[03:07:24.472] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003162)  
ang unaccounted

**[03:07:25.624] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003163)  
na mga nawawalang milyon-milyon na ito

**[03:07:27.979] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003164)  
sa PDL Trust Fund?

**[03:07:29.800] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003165)  
Unang-una po, aalamin natin kung sino-sino

**[03:07:32.175] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003166)  
sila talagang nawalan ng pera.

**[03:07:34.246] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003167)  
Kaya lang ang problema dito,

**[03:07:36.317] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003168)  
[unclear] natin dahil

**[03:07:37.779] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003169)  
about 3,000 po iyang mga PDL na

**[03:07:40.458] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003170)  
nawalan ng

**[03:07:41.617] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003171)  
pera. Hindi natin alam kung

**[03:07:43.687] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003172)  
magkano ang individual na nawalan ng

**[03:07:46.062] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003173)  
pera bawat

**[03:07:47.221] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003174)  
isa. So that's the first

**[03:07:49.292] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003175)  
step. We will give you an update

**[03:07:51.971] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003176)  
po,

**[03:07:52.825] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003177)  
Congresswoman, kung paano ginagawa

**[03:07:54.592] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003178)  
ito, at ginagarantiya ko po

**[03:07:56.662] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003179)  
na gagawin kong lahat ng paraan

**[03:07:59.037] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003180)  
para mabawi po ng mga PDL

**[03:08:01.412] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003181)  
iyang kanilang mga pera.

**[03:08:03.398] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003182)  
Yes po, Mr. Chair.

**[03:08:04.778] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003183)  
Sana bago ho ang ating plenaryo

**[03:08:06.572] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003184)  
ay magkaroon na ng malinaw na timeline

**[03:08:08.574] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003185)  
kung paano maibabalik

**[03:08:09.747] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003186)  
at

**[03:08:10.504] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003187)  
mabuwag na po sana

**[03:08:11.884] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003188)  
itong ganitong sistema

**[03:08:13.056] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003189)  
na may nawawalang pera,

**[03:08:14.436] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003190)  
nagiging pugad ng korupsyon, at

**[03:08:16.023] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003191)  
matiyak na mapabuti natin yung

**[03:08:17.611] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003192)  
mga serbisyo. Dahil

**[03:08:18.783] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003193)  
ako rin ho

**[03:08:19.955] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003194)  
ay kasama,

**[03:08:20.920] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003195)  
hindi lang sa pagre-restore

**[03:08:22.300] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003196)  
ng cuts

**[03:08:23.265] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003197)  
nung mga nawalan ho

**[03:08:24.644] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003198)  
ng pondo,

**[03:08:25.609] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003199)  
kundi pagtitiyak din

**[03:08:26.782] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003200)  
na meron tayong sapat na pondo

**[03:08:28.576] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003201)  
para sa hinahangad natin

**[03:08:29.956] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003202)  
na rehabilitation,

**[03:08:30.921] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003203)  
pagtitiyak ng restorative justice,

**[03:08:32.301] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003204)  
at pagpapalakas ng sistema

**[03:08:33.680] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003205)  
ng hustisya sa bansa.

**[03:08:35.060] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-003206)  
Maraming salamat, Mr. Chair.

**[03:08:36.575] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003207)  
Thank you, Cong. Elago.

**[03:08:38.636] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003208)  
So ganoon lang po,

**[03:08:40.697] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003209)  
DG Catapang.

**[03:08:42.003] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003210)  
At least

**[03:08:43.308] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003211)  
provide the office of

**[03:08:45.370] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003212)  
Cong. Sarah yung

**[03:08:47.053] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003213)  
status po ng investigation

**[03:08:49.114] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003214)  
regarding that

**[03:08:50.420] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003215)  
case. Next in

**[03:08:52.103] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003216)  
line from the

**[03:08:53.787] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003217)  
majority: Cong. Mika,

**[03:08:55.470] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003218)  
Cong. Salvador,

**[03:08:56.775] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003219)  
Cong. Dinand,

**[03:08:58.081] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003220)  
Cong. Christina

**[03:08:59.387] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003221)  
Talavera Lopez po.

**[03:09:01.080] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003222)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[03:09:04.279] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003223)  
Good afternoon,

**[03:09:05.270] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003224)  
Secretary Vida.

**[03:09:06.782] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003225)  
My question is for the

**[03:09:08.025] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003226)  
Office of the Solicitor General.

**[03:09:10.359] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003227)  
Ma'am, good afternoon po.

**[03:09:11.617] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003228)  
With regards to the budget

**[03:09:14.861] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003229)  
for the Law of the Sea program,

**[03:09:17.181] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003230)  
is it included in your MOOE?

**[03:09:19.560] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003231)  
And according to your office,

**[03:09:21.016] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003232)  
the amount of 10 million pesos

**[03:09:22.510] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003233)  
was allocated for fiscal year

**[03:09:24.956] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003234)  
2026 for this program.

**[03:09:27.570] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003235)  
Is that correct, ma’am?

**[03:09:28.560] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003236)  
Tama po.

**[03:09:29.037] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003237)  
At iyan po ay kasama sa hirit last year.

**[03:09:30.926] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003238)  
Salamat po sa pagdagdag ng 10 million

**[03:09:31.600] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003239)  
Thank you for adding 10 million

**[03:09:34.688] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003240)  
for the Law of the Sea

**[03:09:36.400] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003241)  
training and capability

**[03:09:38.643] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003242)  
upgrade for OSG.

**[03:09:41.948] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003243)  
Ma’am, my question is,

**[03:09:44.188] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003244)  
is this amount lumped with

**[03:09:45.636] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003245)  
training and scholarship expense

**[03:09:47.470] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003246)  
or any other expenses

**[03:09:49.671] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003247)  
under your office MOOE?

**[03:09:52.200] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003248)  
Kahiwalay po.

**[03:09:53.363] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003249)  
So mula po noong natanggap

**[03:09:55.003] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003250)  
namin iyong na-allocate

**[03:09:56.914] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003251)  
ng Kongreso na 10 million,

**[03:09:59.759] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003252)  
ang OSG po

**[03:10:01.981] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003253)  
this year nag-set up

**[03:10:04.452] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003254)  
a separate committee

**[03:10:06.155] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003255)  
on the Law of the Sea

**[03:10:07.588] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003256)  
para iyong training po ay nakahiwalay

**[03:10:10.101] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003257)  
doon sa capacity

**[03:10:12.115] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003258)  
building program

**[03:10:13.091] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003259)  
na halo-halo po iyong mga ibang trainings doon.

**[03:10:15.479] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003260)  
So there's a separate one now.

**[03:10:17.525] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003261)  
Okay.

**[03:10:18.267] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003262)  
I'm raising this because

**[03:10:20.213] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003263)  
if it’s lumped with TSE,

**[03:10:23.643] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003264)  
then we are not training

**[03:10:24.887] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003265)  
the government lawyers enough po

**[03:10:26.733] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003266)  
on maritime issues.

**[03:10:28.859] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003267)  
And also, we are not sending enough

**[03:10:30.704] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003268)  
lawyers to participate in

**[03:10:32.670] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003269)  
negotiation relating to maritime concerns.

**[03:10:35.820] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003270)  
According to your office, ma'am,

**[03:10:37.284] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003271)  
the actual obligation

**[03:10:38.327] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003272)  
of the Law of the Sea program

**[03:10:40.935] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003273)  
is only 422,000

**[03:10:42.319] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003274)  
out of 10 million.

**[03:10:44.908] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003275)  
So ibig sabihin po,

**[03:10:45.551] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003276)  
ang utilization rate pa lang po natin

**[03:10:48.639] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003277)  
as of now is 5%.

**[03:10:50.800] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003278)  
Tama po ba iyon, ma’am?

**[03:10:51.960] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003279)  
Tama po. Sapagkat iyong 10 million

**[03:10:54.220] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003280)  
na hiningi po ng OSG

**[03:10:56.149] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003281)  
is more or less

**[03:10:58.556] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003282)  
related to our celebration

**[03:11:00.265] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003283)  
of the 10th

**[03:11:01.827] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003284)  
anniversary for the

**[03:11:03.590] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003285)  
arbitral ruling.

**[03:11:04.766] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003286)  
The 10th anniversary

**[03:11:06.016] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003287)  
ay pumapatak sa July.

**[03:11:08.239] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003288)  
So,

**[03:11:09.816] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003289)  
naka-align po sa

**[03:11:11.159] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003290)  
projects or programs ng DFA.

**[03:11:14.910] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003291)  
So, marami po sa 10 million

**[03:11:16.509] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003292)  
ay nandito sa second semester.

**[03:11:18.811] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003293)  
So meron po tayo sa

**[03:11:20.111] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003294)  
September na

**[03:11:22.157] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003295)  
training with a foreign

**[03:11:24.459] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003296)  
provider. Meron po tayo sa October

**[03:11:27.060] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003297)  
na joint project

**[03:11:29.404] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003298)  
with the UP Institute for

**[03:11:31.280] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003299)  
Maritime and Law

**[03:11:33.497] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003300)  
of the Sea. And meron din po

**[03:11:35.564] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003301)  
tayo sa November na training

**[03:11:37.610] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003302)  
for around

**[03:11:38.783] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003303)  
80 scholars po ng

**[03:11:41.788] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003304)  
ng OSG. So, agree po ako

**[03:11:44.559] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003305)  
dun sa una nyo pong nasabi.

**[03:11:46.200] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003306)  
Kaya po gusto ko pong

**[03:11:47.801] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003307)  
ulitin at i-emphasize na

**[03:11:49.831] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003308)  
kahiwalay na po ang Law of the Sea

**[03:11:51.712] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003309)  
at saka yung capacity building

**[03:11:53.127] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003310)  
for more specialized training

**[03:11:55.343] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003311)  
for our lawyers.

**[03:11:57.000] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003312)  
Okay, ma'am. Kasi po, kung

**[03:11:58.892] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003313)  
titignan po natin, as of today, may

**[03:12:01.091] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003314)  
95% pa po kayong available.

**[03:12:03.641] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003315)  
And then we have only

**[03:12:05.615] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003316)  
four months left po for this

**[03:12:07.876] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003317)  
year. So paano ninyo po gagamitin

**[03:12:10.015] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003318)  
iyong pondong natitira sa

**[03:12:11.659] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003319)  
10 million pesos?

**[03:12:13.880] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003320)  
Opo, Representative. So bale

**[03:12:16.123] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003321)  
naka-schedule po siya. Meron po

**[03:12:17.961] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003322)  
sa September, Thought Series

**[03:12:19.779] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003323)  
Thought Leaders

**[03:12:21.881] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003324)  
Series. Sa October

**[03:12:23.941] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003325)  
po, with the UP project.

**[03:12:26.406] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003326)  
Sa October to November

**[03:12:27.962] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003327)  
po, meron po kaming workshop

**[03:12:29.699] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003328)  
on pleadings, practice and

**[03:12:31.841] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003329)  
programs

**[03:12:34.427] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003330)  
with the Max Planck

**[03:12:35.862] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003331)  
Institute. And then, meron din po

**[03:12:38.023] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003332)  
tayong, napapasama na po

**[03:12:39.822] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003333)  
ang OSG sa mga negotiation,

**[03:12:42.004] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003334)  
consultation with international

**[03:12:43.822] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003335)  
bodies, such as the UN

**[03:12:45.701] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003336)  
Commission for

**[03:12:47.964] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003337)  
Commission on the Limits of the Continental

**[03:12:50.247] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003338)  
Shelf, at saka sa UNCLOS po.

**[03:12:52.469] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003339)  
So at least iyong kaunting

**[03:12:54.229] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003340)  
budget na naibigay po

**[03:12:56.158] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003341)  
ninyo, at least may

**[03:12:57.750] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003342)  
naka-upgrade po nang kaunti

**[03:12:59.510] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003343)  
sa participation po ng OSG.

**[03:13:02.600] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003344)  
Okay, thank you po, ma'am.

**[03:13:03.659] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003345)  
Kasi, siyempre po,

**[03:13:05.717] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003346)  
if the Congress grants your request

**[03:13:07.316] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003347)  
for the retention of LOS program

**[03:13:09.634] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003348)  
for allocation

**[03:13:11.413] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003349)  
for 2027,

**[03:13:13.871] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003350)  
how can your office assure

**[03:13:15.469] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003351)  
the Congress that government

**[03:13:17.608] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003352)  
lawyers will be fully trained

**[03:13:19.446] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003353)  
on maritime issues and help

**[03:13:21.405] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003354)  
the government in battling the rampant

**[03:13:23.743] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003355)  
disinformation regarding our

**[03:13:25.521] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003356)  
territorial claims?

**[03:13:26.880] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003357)  
Representative, maraming salamat po talaga

**[03:13:29.582] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003358)  
sa atensyon na nabibigay po ninyo.

**[03:13:31.350] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003359)  
Napaka-importante po. Kasi nung nanalo tayo

**[03:13:33.337] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003360)  
ng arbitral ruling, nung 2016

**[03:13:35.801] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003361)  
na ito po'y kinikilala ng international

**[03:13:37.549] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003362)  
community, simula po

**[03:13:39.357] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003363)  
ng 2017, talagang nagkaroon

**[03:13:41.304] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003364)  
na po ng focused training

**[03:13:42.973] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003365)  
on law of the sea. And this year po,

**[03:13:45.357] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003366)  
gawa noong inyong additional

**[03:13:46.788] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003367)  
na ibinigay kahit po maliit,

**[03:13:49.331] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003368)  
very meaningful and impactful po

**[03:13:51.298] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003369)  
sa OSG. So,

**[03:13:53.463] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003370)  
in fact, ang direksyon

**[03:13:55.370] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003371)  
po natin sa OSG ay magkaroon

**[03:13:57.337] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003372)  
ng specialized track

**[03:13:58.808] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003373)  
for our lawyers who are

**[03:14:00.933] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003374)  
interested in undertaking

**[03:14:03.377] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003375)  
scholarship for the law of the sea

**[03:14:04.967] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003376)  
because this is a very specialized

**[03:14:06.576] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-003377)  
practice of law po, Representative.

**[03:14:09.417] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003378)  
Thank you for the information.

**[03:14:11.190] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003379)  
Solgen. Lastly,

**[03:14:13.401] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003380)  
Mr. Chair, I would like to make a

**[03:14:15.362] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003381)  
manifestation of full support

**[03:14:17.156] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003382)  
for the increase of budget

**[03:14:18.950] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003383)  
of Department of Justice,

**[03:14:21.328] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003384)  
siyempre po kay Sec Vida.

**[03:14:23.539] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003385)  
And also, I would like to

**[03:14:24.936] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003386)  
advocate for the increase of MOOE

**[03:14:27.982] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003387)  
for Solgen.

**[03:14:29.984] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003388)  
Sana po mangyari na po itong mga wishlist

**[03:14:32.091] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003389)  
ninyo. Looking forward po

**[03:14:34.010] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003390)  
for 2027,

**[03:14:36.096] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003391)  
mas ma-improve pa po natin ang services

**[03:14:37.848] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003392)  
ng Office of the Solicitor General

**[03:14:39.892] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003393)  
and the rest of the Department of Justice.

**[03:14:42.479] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003394)  
Maraming maraming salamat po.

**[03:14:43.222] Rep. Ma. Cristina Talavera Lopez** (asr-003395)  
Thank you po.

**[03:14:43.943] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003396)  
Thank you, Cong. Tina Talavera Lopez.

**[03:14:46.610] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003397)  
Next in line from the minority

**[03:14:48.311] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003398)  
representative.

**[03:14:49.715] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003399)  
Representative Perci Cendana.

**[03:14:56.279] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003400)  
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

**[03:14:57.581] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003401)  
Good afternoon, Secretary Vida and to the DOJ family.

**[03:15:01.558] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003402)  
I'd just like to follow through, if I may, Mr. Secretary,

**[03:15:04.840] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003403)  
on the issues that were raised, particularly on online sexual abuse and exploitation of children,

**[03:15:10.467] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003404)  
kasama po iyong CSEAEM at iyong ating massive budget cuts.

**[03:15:13.439] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003405)  
May I direct the questions po? Diretso na po ba kay Asec. Lapuz?

**[03:15:17.600] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003406)  
Yes, of course, Your Honor.

**[03:15:19.000] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003407)  
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

**[03:15:22.233] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003408)  
Secretary Vida, given the massive cuts in your programs and budget items,

**[03:15:31.199] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003409)  
what does this mean in terms of you doing your job?

**[03:15:35.390] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003410)  
Kasi nakita ko po ang range po ng cuts ay from 71%, 58%,

**[03:15:42.696] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003411)  
14%. So ano po ang magiging epekto nito sa ating trabaho?

**[03:15:46.960] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003412)  
Thank you, Your Honor, for the question.

**[03:15:50.202] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003413)  
First of all,

**[03:15:51.080] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003414)  
mapapabagal iyong national response po natin against OSAEC and against trafficking.

**[03:15:59.528] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003415)  
Meron po kaming nakalatag ngayon na National Strategic Action Plan.

**[03:16:04.350] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003416)  
It's a four-year plan.

**[03:16:06.154] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003417)  
And with the massive budget cuts,

**[03:16:09.074] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003418)  
meron pong mga priority programs na maaaring hindi ma-implement.

**[03:16:15.523] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003419)  
And alam naman po natin, pag sinasabi nating strategic action plan,

**[03:16:20.482] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003420)  
kailangan naka-step by step iyan.

**[03:16:22.560] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003421)  
Hindi ka maka-proceed to other important programs

**[03:16:26.284] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003422)  
unless you build the foundations first.

**[03:16:28.597] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003423)  
Ang maganda po dito, despite limitations in resources,

**[03:16:33.439] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003424)  
nakabuo na po tayo ng magandang mechanism for local task forces

**[03:16:38.865] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003425)  
to do responses on the ground.

**[03:16:42.924] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003426)  
Pero kulang na kulang po iyong capability by these local task forces

**[03:16:48.930] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003427)  
because,

**[03:16:50.815] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003428)  
una, kulang po iyong budget allocations.

**[03:16:55.185] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003429)  
At the same time,

**[03:16:56.924] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003430)  
fragmented pa rin po iyong response.

**[03:17:00.259] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003431)  
Kailangan itawid iyong national program

**[03:17:03.199] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003432)  
at i-localize po siya sa mga strategic local governments

**[03:17:09.040] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003433)  
and local task forces that are already in place.

**[03:17:12.395] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003434)  
However, if we don't have enough resources

**[03:17:15.377] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003435)  
to support the operations of these mechanisms,

**[03:17:18.276] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003436)  
mapapabagal po iyong rescue operations.

**[03:17:21.880] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003437)  
Important po iyong rescue operations

**[03:17:25.681] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003438)  
because this leads to victim identification.

**[03:17:29.377] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003439)  
If we identify victims,

**[03:17:31.214] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003440)  
then we know how to get to them,

**[03:17:34.445] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003441)  
where they are,

**[03:17:35.395] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003442)  
who they are.

**[03:17:36.177] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003443)  
We can rescue them.

**[03:17:37.507] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003444)  
We can take a child out of an abusive situation

**[03:17:42.280] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003445)  
the soonest possible time.

**[03:17:43.800] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003446)  
So we are really advocating po to, at the very least,

**[03:17:47.459] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003447)  
restore the budget levels of NCC-OSAEC and IACAT to the 2026 levels.

**[03:17:52.840] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003448)  
Mr. Chair, I am extremely alarmed

**[03:17:56.529] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003449)  
at the scenario we're looking at

**[03:17:58.935] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003450)  
to the budget levels for the special enforcement

**[03:18:02.920] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003451)  
and protection sub-program

**[03:18:04.971] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003452)  
remain at the current levels as proposed.

**[03:18:08.127] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003453)  
Ibig sabihin po nito, parang sinasabi natin,

**[03:18:10.869] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003454)  
okay lang na hindi ma-rescue ang mga biktima.

**[03:18:14.479] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003455)  
Okay lang na bumagal ang ating proseso

**[03:18:17.487] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003456)  
para tiyakin na maililigtas sila.

**[03:18:19.650] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003457)  
We usually say that the budget

**[03:18:21.381] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003458)  
is the most concrete,

**[03:18:22.403] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003459)  
expression of an administration's priority.

**[03:18:25.844] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003460)  
So ibig sabihin po ba nito dito sa massive budget cuts na ito,

**[03:18:29.521] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003461)  
hindi priority ng gobyerno ang pagliligtas sa mga biktima ng OSAEC.

**[03:18:35.420] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003462)  
Hindi priority ng gobyerno ang pag-rescue sa lalong madaling panahon

**[03:18:40.591] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003463)  
sa pinakamabilis na paraan ito pong mga biktima po.

**[03:18:45.015] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003464)  
Nito pong napakalaking, masasabi nating, sindikato

**[03:18:51.405] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003465)  
na nag-ooperate.

**[03:18:52.880] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003466)  
Earlier you mentioned that now we're not just talking about individuals

**[03:18:55.880] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003467)  
but we're also talking about how AI is being used.

**[03:18:59.380] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003468)  
With this massive budget cuts,

**[03:19:00.880] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003469)  
how will you be able to respond to this much bigger problem?

**[03:19:05.880] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003470)  
We need to catch up, sir, on our mechanisms.

**[03:19:10.004] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003471)  
Dahil nga po, constantly evolving

**[03:19:12.581] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003472)  
and nagiging mas complicated yung modus operandi

**[03:19:16.705] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003473)  
ng mga gumagawa po ng illegal recruitment, for example,

**[03:19:20.829] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003474)  
or grooming,

**[03:19:21.695] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003475)  
na-mention po kanina ni Secretary of Justice

**[03:19:25.303] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003476)  
iyong groomers behind iyong mga nihilistic violent extremism incidents po.

**[03:19:32.520] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003477)  
Now we don't even need an actual person conducting the enticement of our youth.

**[03:19:39.394] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003478)  
It could be an AI agent doing that.

**[03:19:43.813] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003479)  
And if we don't put in place the foundations of our IT infrastructure

**[03:19:50.687] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003480)  
for the proper, timely, and commensurate response to the threat,

**[03:19:57.561] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003481)  
the AI po being used to perpetrate these crimes,

**[03:20:01.980] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003482)  
that is the threat.

**[03:20:03.453] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003483)  
And we need to provide for a corresponding response to the threat.

**[03:20:11.800] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003484)  
So we need to consider yung constantly evolving mechanisms po

**[03:20:16.308] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003485)  
of how these crimes are being perpetrated.

**[03:20:18.562] DOJ Assistant Secretary Michelle Anne Lapuz** (asr-003486)  
For us to be able to be one, two, three steps ahead of the threats.

**[03:20:22.618] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003487)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[03:20:23.520] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003488)  
Thank you, Usec.

**[03:20:24.720] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003489)  
Asec.

**[03:20:26.520] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003490)  
So hindi lamang po pala yung mga masasamang elementong ito ang threat

**[03:20:31.315] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003491)  
sa kaligtasan ng ating mga kabataan.

**[03:20:33.712] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003492)  
Yung mismo pong budget na pinutol at tinanggal

**[03:20:36.589] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003493)  
is also a threat to the safety of our children.

**[03:20:38.986] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003494)  
Again, we support you in restoring your budget to the 2026 levels.

**[03:20:43.301] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003495)  
And kahit po kami ay bahagi ng minority, kasama niyo po kami.

**[03:20:47.617] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003496)  
We support your advocacy para po sa lalong madaling panahon ma-restore to 2026 levels.

**[03:20:51.932] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003497)  
Deserve po ng ating mga bata na maprotektahan.

**[03:20:55.288] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003498)  
At yung mga nasa peligro na po,

**[03:20:57.685] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003499)  
deserve na deserve nila ang immediate rescue at assistance.

**[03:21:03.439] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003500)  
Mr. Chair, let me direct my next set of questions to the Bureau of Immigration.

**[03:21:12.000] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003501)  
Magandang hapon po, Commissioner Viado.

**[03:21:13.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003502)  
Magandang hapon po, Congressman Cendana.

**[03:21:16.720] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003503)  
Magandang hapon po.

**[03:21:17.678] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003504)  
Ito po ay tungkol po sa usapin ng

**[03:21:19.595] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003505)  
Nung mga paggamit ng blacklist at entry restrictions as a political tool.

**[03:21:25.346] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003506)  
Nakita po natin yan noong nakaraang administrasyon.

**[03:21:28.221] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003507)  
Ginamit itong mga blacklist at entry restrictions laban sa mga advocates,

**[03:21:33.971] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003508)  
laban sa mga aktibista, at laban sa mismong kinatawan ng United Nations

**[03:21:38.763] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003509)  
na human rights advocate.

**[03:21:40.680] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003510)  
Ginamit ito in aid of violence and impunity.

**[03:21:44.737] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003511)  
Noong 2026 po, sinabi ng Amnesty International Philippines,

**[03:21:48.794] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003512)  
nananatiling mayroong entry ban si Amnesty International Secretary General Agnès Callamard

**[03:21:54.880] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003513)  
as a result of her previous work as, again, UN Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial Killings.

**[03:22:00.965] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003514)  
Nagsimula po ang ban na ito noong 2018, bunga ng public attack ni former President Rodrigo Duterte.

**[03:22:07.051] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003515)  
Kaya mahalaga pong malaman natin meron po bang sapat na safeguards ang BI

**[03:22:12.122] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003516)  
upang matiyak na hindi ito nagagamit arbitrarily, hindi ito naweweaponize,

**[03:22:17.193] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003517)  
at para po tiyakin na hindi ito ginagamit laban sa human rights work and peaceful advocacy.

**[03:22:23.279] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003518)  
The first question, Mr. Chair: maaari po bang kumpirmahin ng BI ang kasalukuyang status ng entry restriction kay Ms. Agnès Callamard?

**[03:22:32.960] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003519)  
If I may confirm with my colleague, Your Honor.

**[03:22:50.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003520)  
Your Honors, ang lahat po ng desisyon ng Bureau of Immigration ay dumaan po sa proseso, unang-una.

**[03:22:57.667] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003521)  
Ang information po na nakalap namin ay hindi lang po galing sa vetting na ginawa ng Bureau of Immigration,

**[03:22:59.297] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003524)  
but galing po sa ibang mga ahensya,

**[03:23:00.926] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003525)  
dito po and internationally.

**[03:23:01.741] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003526)  
We refer to Interpol lists, we refer to fugitive status of individuals bago po kami umaksyon.

**[03:23:05.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003527)  
And internally, Your Honor, bago po kami mag-issue ng any blacklist, dumadaan po iyan sa proseso

**[03:23:11.165] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003528)  
kung saan ang legal division, ang amin hong mga abogado sa legal division,

**[03:23:17.331] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003529)  
and eventually iyong mga Board of Special Inquiry at Board of Commissioners.

**[03:23:20.845] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003530)  
Dinadaanan po iyan ng hindi lang maikling proseso pero mahaba-haba po, Your Honor.

**[03:23:27.319] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003531)  
So we can assure po, Your Honors, na any decision, any order concerning any blacklist

**[03:23:33.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003532)  
ay dumaan po sa tamang proseso at legal na pamamaraan po, Your Honor.

**[03:23:37.204] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003533)  
Hindi po arbitrary, hindi po

**[03:23:45.720] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003534)  
at the behest of any individual. Ito po ay ginagawa po sa level po ng aming bureau.

**[03:23:49.198] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003535)  
So the question again, Mr. Chair, ano po ang status ng entry restriction kay Ms. Agnès Callamard?

**[03:23:56.560] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003536)  
Again po, si Ms. Agnès Callamard po, sigurado ako wala po iyan sa blacklist ng Interpol.

**[03:24:05.937] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003537)  
She is former United Nations Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial Killings.

**[03:24:16.960] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003538)  
We are confirming po iyong status ni Special Rapporteur Callamard.

**[03:24:20.885] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003539)  
But kung base po dito sa information po na nakalap namin ngayon, galing po dito sa honorable body na ito,

**[03:24:25.625] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003540)  
we are willing to also review the status of the Special Rapporteur.

**[03:24:29.120] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003541)  
Because we are in favor of human rights, we are in favor of other persons from other countries coming into our country

**[03:24:37.994] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003542)  
and to see how we have gone forward as far as human rights are concerned, Your Honor.

**[03:24:43.319] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003543)  
Mr. Chair, thank you very much, Commissioner Viado, for that response.

**[03:24:47.164] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003544)  
And we welcome your willingness to review your guidelines, no?

**[03:24:50.195] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003545)  
Lalo na po pagdating sa mga human rights defenders, international advocates, journalists,

**[03:24:55.525] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003546)  
academics, and especially UN officials.

**[03:24:58.800] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003547)  
Sa proseso po noong pag-review, inaasahan po natin na hindi na ito magagamit as a political weapon

**[03:25:05.146] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003548)  
against voices of dissent, against voices of human rights.

**[03:25:08.960] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003549)  
Nagawa na po ito noong madilim na panahon ng Rehimen Duterte, huwag na po nating hayaang maulit.

**[03:25:14.527] Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña** (asr-003550)  
That will be all, Mr. Chair. Marami pong salamat sa DOJ family.

**[03:25:18.560] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003551)  
Thank you rin po, Your Honor.

**[03:25:19.840] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003552)  
Thank you, Congressman Cendana.

**[03:25:21.618] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003553)  
Next in line from the majority.

**[03:25:26.000] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003554)  
Rep. Ann Matibag.

**[03:25:34.593] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003555)  
Ann Matibag. Thank you. Um, I just want to interject also,

**[03:25:39.880] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003556)  
no, after what my good friend Cong. Perci

**[03:25:45.080] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003557)  
has conveyed, especially to the OSAEC cases. We are really disheartened on

**[03:25:50.040] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003558)  
what happened with the deduction of your budget, and

**[03:25:55.439] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003559)  
with the OSAEC cases, we were more surprised

**[03:26:00.399] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003560)  
that much in the Department, 'yung mga law enforcement pa,

**[03:26:05.319] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003561)  
'yung mas nabawasan din, no, like the Bureau of Immigration and the National

**[03:26:10.720] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003562)  
Bureau of Investigation. So I just want to commend Mr.

**[03:26:14.920] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003563)  
Chair, Secretary Vida, and your whole team.

**[03:26:20.040] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003564)  
We were in New York, in the United Nations, last March. I am with Usec. Majken Anika, and

**[03:26:25.800] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003565)  
I want to commend their program, which is the Revised CANE+D

**[03:26:30.600] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003566)  
Protocol, which is intended to provide a more standardized and coordinated

**[03:26:36.040] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003567)  
way of handling cases such as this of violence against women and children.

**[03:26:41.279] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003568)  
So this emphasizes the clarity on the responsibilities of the agencies involved,

**[03:26:46.000] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003569)  
coordinating among them, and a more child-sensitive approach to investigation

**[03:26:51.160] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003570)  
and prosecution. So this is not just a policy in paper. I just want to

**[03:26:56.760] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003571)  
tell—and I'm just so proud of this program of the Department

**[03:27:01.680] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003572)  
of Justice—and this has already begun

**[03:27:06.720] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003573)  
bringing the Revised Protocol to the local level. I remember when

**[03:27:12.279] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003574)  
my group, my social organization, Zonta Club of Laguna,

**[03:27:16.920] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003575)  
went to the office of Secretary Vida, and he was very happy to tell us that

**[03:27:22.239] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003576)  
this is not just laws. This is not just a memorandum or any piece of paper or

**[03:27:27.399] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003577)  
a policy, but they already launched nationally in August

**[03:27:32.439] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003578)  
2025, followed by the provincial implementation in Cavite in

**[03:27:37.479] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003579)  
March 2026 and in Cebu in July 2026.

**[03:27:41.680] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003580)  
So for me, this is exactly the kind of program that deserves support in the

**[03:27:47.319] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003581)  
2027 budget, especially I'm the chairperson of the Committee on Women and Gender

**[03:27:53.080] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003582)  
Equality, and I'm with Cong. Sarah Elago and Cong. Perci,

**[03:27:58.160] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003583)  
who are members of my committee. Rest assured that I just want to manifest my

**[03:28:02.960] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003584)  
support, that we will make sure that your budget will not only be increased,

**[03:28:08.640] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003585)  
but with what you wish and hope for to have, especially to the department

**[03:28:13.800] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003586)  
of the wife of Cong. Keith—she's the director—so we

**[03:28:18.720] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003587)  
are in support of that. And maybe before the plenary session, we can

**[03:28:23.600] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003588)  
huddle and think things together, and maybe discuss on

**[03:28:29.040] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003589)  
how we can really explain

**[03:28:33.920] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003590)  
and discuss this budget that we need to really

**[03:28:39.359] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003591)  
bring it back to the DOJ's wish. And I am very happy to

**[03:28:44.319] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003592)  
see everyone here. DOJ, special po kayo dahil

**[03:28:49.040] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003593)  
ako'y pinalaki ng isang fiscal—ang tatay ko.

**[03:28:54.399] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003594)  
Especially now that NBI here is very,

**[03:28:59.560] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003595)  
very responsive to the needs of being a law enforcement for women and children.

**[03:29:04.720] Rep. Ann Matibag** (asr-003596)  
So, maraming-maraming salamat po. You have my support and respect. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[03:29:11.099] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003597)  
Thank you, Cong. Ann Matibag, sa suporta po sa ating pong ahensya.

**[03:29:15.760] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003598)  
Next in line from the minority, Representative Leila de Lima.

**[03:29:24.720] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003599)  
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

**[03:29:26.359] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003600)  
Good afternoon to my colleagues.

**[03:29:27.493] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003601)  
And good afternoon to Secretary Vida and the DOJ family.

**[03:29:31.986] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003602)  
Kumusta po kayo?

**[03:29:34.010] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003603)  
Okay.

**[03:29:35.021] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003604)  
Let me start by manifesting not only my support for the budget, the department-wide budget

**[03:29:44.048] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003605)  
of the DOJ, but also support for the push for the restoration of some of the areas of

**[03:29:49.512] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003606)  
the DOJ.

**[03:29:50.160] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003613)  
some of the budget that was cut, including the ones for OSAEC and also

**[03:29:55.819] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003614)  
for IACAT. And we do note very much the significant cuts, of course, in the

**[03:30:04.095] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003615)  
DOJ-wide budget, a 61.82% cut, and then the biggest among the agencies is the

**[03:30:12.553] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003616)  
Bucor by 84.18% cut. I'm talking about the NEP as against the proposed budget

**[03:30:22.168] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003617)  
and then also NBI as 65.84%. So ang gusto ko pong i-ano ngayon, lalo na dyan sa Bucor and sa NBI, if you wish to

**[03:30:35.596] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003618)  
insist about or for more in your wish list for increase in the budget, please

**[03:30:42.127] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003619)  
tell us.

**[03:30:43.486] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003621)  
But specific items in the budget for Bucor, for DOJ, for NBI, and even the

**[03:30:50.058] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003622)  
others, OSG and even PAO, so that we can help you out, at least put back the

**[03:30:58.172] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003623)  
priority, your priority programs that were actually cut in the NEP.

**[03:31:06.265] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003625)  
Now, I wish to direct my questions first to BI.

**[03:31:16.224] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003627)  
then to Bucor and the DOJ proper.

**[03:31:25.920] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003628)  
I would wish also to pursue further the case of Dr. Calamard.

**[03:31:29.912] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003629)  
Yes, ma'am.

**[03:31:30.937] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003630)  
It struck me what you said, that it was not at any behest when you make any blacklisting.

**[03:31:36.138] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003631)  
Yes, ma'am.

**[03:31:36.797] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003632)  
Sa case ho ba ni Dr. Callamard, ganoon? It was at no one’s behest.

**[03:31:41.833] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003633)  
As far as I know, Your Honor.

**[03:31:43.444] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003634)  
We want to understand further.

**[03:31:46.576] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003635)  
What was the legal basis for the blacklisting of Dr. Calamard?

**[03:31:49.359] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003636)  
Your Honor, based on the record, it was a national security concern, Your Honor.

**[03:31:55.119] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003637)  
A national security concern?

**[03:31:56.708] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003638)  
Yes.

**[03:31:57.701] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003639)  
Do you have any specific explanation for that?

**[03:32:01.673] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003640)  
National security concern?

**[03:32:03.659] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003641)  
Meron ho bang security threat?

**[03:32:05.645] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003642)  
There was no crime committed, correct?

**[03:32:07.631] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003643)  
There was no crime committed?

**[03:32:09.617] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003644)  
As far as I know, Your Honor, no.

**[03:32:11.604] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003645)  
And there was no immigration violation?

**[03:32:13.590] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003646)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:32:14.583] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003647)  
Immigration laws violation?

**[03:32:15.615] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003648)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:32:16.609] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003649)  
Immigration laws violation committed.

**[03:32:17.602] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003650)  
But what you are saying now is a national security threat.

**[03:32:20.581] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003651)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:32:21.574] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003652)  
But isn’t she the one who investigated the drug-war killings as the former UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial killings?

**[03:32:32.497] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003653)  
Your Honor, yes.

**[03:32:33.491] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003654)  
That is based on the records available, Your Honor, to us at the moment, Your Honor.

**[03:32:39.449] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003655)  
I can dig deeper into this matter, Your Honor, because this matter, I think, was...

**[03:32:45.407] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003656)  
occurred even before we came into, you know, we were appointed to the Bureau of Immigration.

**[03:32:52.359] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003657)  
But if...

**[03:32:55.338] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003658)  
So hanggang ngayon po, hindi ninyo talaga alam exactly kung anong naging basehan?

**[03:33:01.296] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003659)  
Ang basehan po is based on reports from a national security agency, Your Honor.

**[03:33:07.255] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003660)  
But I can give you the details and the other facts and issues concerning this matter.

**[03:33:15.199] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003661)  
If you can give us a chance, Your Honor, we can give you a full detailed report on that matter.

**[03:33:19.122] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003662)  
Hindi ho ba merong motion for reconsideration with respect to that?

**[03:33:23.044] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003663)  
As far back as August 2026, there is this motion for reconsideration on the blacklisting of Dr. Calamard.

**[03:33:29.909] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003664)  
For the lifting, Your Honor?

**[03:33:30.890] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003665)  
For the lifting, for the lifting of the blacklist.

**[03:33:34.813] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003666)  
And isn’t it that under the BI Omnibus Rules, the commissioner is supposed to resolve a lifting petition within 15 working days?

**[03:33:44.620] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003667)  
Your Honor...

**[03:33:45.600] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003668)  
Bakit napakatagal na iyong ginagawa ninyong review about the case of Dr. Callamard?

**[03:33:49.523] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003669)  
Your Honor, as far as I know, there is no pending matter involving this.

**[03:33:53.446] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003670)  
But once we get back to the office, Your Honor, we will act on it right away.

**[03:33:57.368] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003671)  
How soon can we expect that?

**[03:33:59.330] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003672)  
Because this is, you know, this matter is being monitored, actually, by certain UN officials.

**[03:34:07.175] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003673)  
Yes, Your Honor. We understand, Your Honor.

**[03:34:09.137] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003674)  
We will act on it right away by tomorrow, Your Honor.

**[03:34:12.079] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003675)  
Okay.

**[03:34:14.040] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003676)  
Okay. Doon naman po sa CAIS.

**[03:34:18.189] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003677)  
That’s the CAIS, Your Honor.

**[03:34:19.227] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003678)  
The CAIS.

**[03:34:20.264] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003679)  
Yes.

**[03:34:21.301] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003680)  
May pino-propose kayong additional P480 fee.

**[03:34:24.413] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003681)  
That's correct, Your Honor.

**[03:34:25.451] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003682)  
For the CAISS.

**[03:34:27.525] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003683)  
Bago ho ninyo na-propose itong fee na ito, was there any alternative funding source being considered?

**[03:34:34.787] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003684)  
Considering, Your Honor, that this is a public-private partnership program, Your Honor, there was no alternative discussed.

**[03:34:44.123] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003685)  
This is an unsolicited proposal which came from a private proponent.

**[03:34:49.309] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003686)  
Yes. So why should—I mean, I’m just wondering—why should the cost of modernizing immigration infrastructure be passed on to the traveling public, even if it’s covered by a PPP?

**[03:35:00.720] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003687)  
Your Honor, first and foremost, we need a more integrative program which covers

**[03:35:12.482] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003688)  
a border security platform with biometrics, advanced analytics, and passenger information system, actually, to enhance national security and immigration control, Your Honor.

**[03:35:19.343] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003689)  
At the moment, there is no particular program which can be funded by the national government at this level.

**[03:35:29.145] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003690)  
The private proponent proposes to put the capitalization in the amount of 10.7 billion for the next five years.

**[03:35:38.947] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003691)  
And with the constant upgrade of the system every four years

**[03:35:41.888] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003692)  
for the next 20-year period, Your Honor, at no cost to the government.

**[03:35:46.788] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003693)  
At no cost to the government.

**[03:35:47.769] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003694)  
At no cost to the government, Your Honor.

**[03:35:49.729] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003695)  
But you’re still insisting on the P480 fee, because that is what is being demanded.

**[03:35:56.590] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003696)  
Actually, Your Honor, it is P240 per ticket.

**[03:36:02.471] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003697)  
So if it’s a round-trip ticket, Your Honor, it’s P480.

**[03:36:07.372] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003698)  
Compared to other countries, this is way below.

**[03:36:09.333] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003699)  
This is actually the practice in other countries.

**[03:36:11.293] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003700)  
The US, Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan have been doing this at costs which is much higher than what we are proposing.

**[03:36:22.075] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003701)  
As a matter of fact, Your Honor, if you can compare, Australia charges about 2,600 pesos per passenger.

**[03:36:31.877] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003702)  
Singapore charges 2,400.

**[03:36:34.817] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003703)  
Japan charges about 1,200.

**[03:36:38.738] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003704)  
Hong Kong charges about 1,500.

**[03:36:40.698] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003705)  
Thailand charges about 1,500.

**[03:36:42.659] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003706)  
And Thailand charges about 1,800, Your Honor.

**[03:36:47.560] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003707)  
So it stays?

**[03:36:49.520] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003708)  
I'm sorry, Your Honor.

**[03:36:50.565] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003709)  
The imposition of that fee would stay?

**[03:36:52.654] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003710)  
I'm sorry, Your Honor?

**[03:36:53.698] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003711)  
It would stay?

**[03:36:55.788] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003712)  
It is still under review, Your Honor.

**[03:36:57.877] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003713)  
The contract is still under review, yes.

**[03:36:59.966] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003714)  
We have not signed any contract.

**[03:37:03.100] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003715)  
It is still under review by the DOF.

**[03:37:07.278] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003716)  
The DOJ finished the review already.

**[03:37:09.368] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-003717)  
It is still under review by the Department of Finance and other concerned government agencies, Your Honor.

**[03:37:16.680] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003718)  
Sa BuCor naman po, nasaan na po ngayon si retired Major General Jovito Palparan?

**[03:37:23.801] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003719)  
Is he still physically present and confined at the moment at the maximum security compound?

**[03:37:29.904] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003720)  
With the permission of our Secretary, yes.

**[03:37:32.956] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003721)  
Ma'am, General Palparan is still with us.

**[03:37:38.042] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003722)  
He is confined in New Bilibid Prison.

**[03:37:41.094] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003723)  
Why were there reports that there were notices addressed to Palparan from the Supreme Court

**[03:37:50.249] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003724)  
and then was returned or they were returned unserved because prison authorities refused to receive them,

**[03:37:59.404] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003725)  
stating that Palparan was no longer detained there?

**[03:38:02.455] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003726)  
In fact, the envelopes of these notices bear a specific annotation.

**[03:38:07.542] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003727)  
It says,

**[03:38:08.559] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003728)  
Moved out, transferred to BuCor, Baguio.

**[03:38:11.610] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003729)  
In a separate envelope, moved out to PMA, Baguio.

**[03:38:15.679] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003730)  
So which is which?

**[03:38:17.714] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003731)  
I think...

**[03:38:18.731] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003732)  
Ang bilis naman po ng five minutes.

**[03:38:22.800] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003733)  
Hinold ninyo ho ba iyong sasagot?

**[03:38:26.440] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003734)  
But anyway, please answer that.

**[03:38:28.260] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003735)  
Mr. Chair,

**[03:38:30.079] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003736)  
General Palparan has never been moved out from New Bilibid Prison.

**[03:38:33.719] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003737)  
from New Bilibid Prison.

**[03:38:35.539] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003738)  
The one who...

**[03:38:37.359] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003739)  
The post-office officials are now being investigated

**[03:38:41.310] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003740)  
because they are the ones who are at fault.

**[03:38:45.260] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003741)  
Sila po ang may kasalanan niyan na nag-report sila na hindi kami in-inform.

**[03:38:50.199] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003742)  
Kaya po inimbestigahan?

**[03:38:52.174] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003743)  
Actually, tinanggal na sila at iniimbestigahan po ngayon.

**[03:38:57.112] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003744)  
So under investigation?

**[03:38:58.100] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003745)  
Under investigation.

**[03:38:59.087] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003746)  
Kasi bakit sila maglalagay ng ganoong annotation kung hindi totoo?

**[03:39:02.050] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003747)  
Iyon nga po.

**[03:39:03.038] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003748)  
Obviously,

**[03:39:04.026] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003749)  
oversight po ng mga tauhan iyan.

**[03:39:06.001] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003750)  
Iyan po iyong problema sa BuCor.

**[03:39:08.964] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003751)  
May mga tao diyan talaga na

**[03:39:11.927] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003752)  
incorrigible,

**[03:39:13.902] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003753)  
recidivist,

**[03:39:14.890] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003754)  
iyong mga hindi talaga seryoso sa trabaho.

**[03:39:17.853] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003755)  
That is...

**[03:39:18.840] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003756)  
You’re talking about the BuCor employees themselves?

**[03:39:20.816] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003757)  
Yes. Opo.

**[03:39:21.803] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003758)  
That's why I...

**[03:39:22.791] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003759)  
Kung binabago natin iyong pamamalakad sa mga PDL,

**[03:39:27.729] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003760)  
binabago din natin iyong pamamalakad natin sa mga tauhan.

**[03:39:31.680] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003761)  
So on your word, Director General,

**[03:39:32.829] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003762)  
Major General Palparan was never actually transferred to any facility?

**[03:39:40.871] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003763)  
Never.

**[03:39:42.020] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003764)  
Never.

**[03:39:43.168] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003765)  
May I ask one more question on Bucor?

**[03:39:46.615] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003766)  
Ask a question.

**[03:39:47.764] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003767)  
Okay.

**[03:39:48.913] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003768)  
Although I have several more, but this one.

**[03:39:52.359] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003769)  
There’s still illegal drug trade going on within your facilities,

**[03:39:58.344] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003770)  
including the New Bilibid Prison, NBP.

**[03:40:02.334] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003771)  
Yes.

**[03:40:03.332] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003772)  
I must admit, Your Honor.

**[03:40:06.324] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003773)  
Ano ho ba ang nagiging problema?

**[03:40:08.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003774)  
Ang problema po, iyong mga PDL.

**[03:40:11.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003775)  
Unang-una, hindi sila na-rehab; dinala sa amin.

**[03:40:15.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003776)  
So may withdrawal symptoms sila.

**[03:40:18.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003777)  
Pag tinanong sila ng bibisitahin,

**[03:40:20.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003778)  
“Ano bang gusto ninyong ibigay,

**[03:40:23.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003779)  
dalhin, pasalubong o pagkain?”

**[03:40:24.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003780)  
What do you want to eat?

**[03:40:26.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003781)  
Ang hinihingi po, drugs.

**[03:40:27.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003782)  
So...

**[03:40:28.319] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003783)  
At bakit ho nakakalusot ang drugs?

**[03:40:30.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003784)  
Kasi po nilalagay sa private parts, eh.

**[03:40:32.319] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003785)  
But you have inspection procedures, correct?

**[03:40:36.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003786)  
Yes, ma'am.

**[03:40:37.319] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003787)  
And based on reports,

**[03:40:38.319] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003788)  
you have actually tightened those inspection procedures.

**[03:40:42.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003789)  
Yes, ma'am.

**[03:40:43.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003790)  
May nakakalusot pong pailan-ilan

**[03:40:45.235] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003791)  
kasi talaga pong nasa private parts.

**[03:40:49.068] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003792)  
And then, of course,

**[03:40:50.026] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003793)  
may mga tao tayong in connivance with PDLs.

**[03:40:54.817] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003794)  
So I must admit.

**[03:40:55.775] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003795)  
Kaya iyan po iyong nire-report ko sa inyo,

**[03:40:58.649] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003796)  
na isipin ninyo.

**[03:41:00.566] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003797)  
Think about it.

**[03:41:01.524] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003798)  
Isang nurse

**[03:41:02.482] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003799)  
nagpasok ng pandesal

**[03:41:05.356] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003800)  
na may shabu—

**[03:41:07.273] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003801)  
pandesal, pandeshal.

**[03:41:08.231] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003802)  
Shabu.

**[03:41:09.189] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003803)  
Pandeshal.

**[03:41:10.147] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003804)  
So...

**[03:41:11.105] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003805)  
So nakasuhan po iyon.

**[03:41:12.063] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003806)  
Tanggal na sa serbisyo iyon.

**[03:41:13.979] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003807)  
So...

**[03:41:14.938] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003808)  
Ang mga na-dismiss po diyan

**[03:41:15.896] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003809)  
ay 43.

**[03:41:17.812] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003810)  
Suspended, 137.

**[03:41:20.686] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003811)  
And of course,

**[03:41:21.645] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003812)  
reprimanded, 41.

**[03:41:23.561] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003813)  
So, ma'am,

**[03:41:24.519] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003814)  
hindi po katulad dito ng military.

**[03:41:26.435] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003815)  
Outright,

**[03:41:27.393] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003816)  
puwede ko,

**[03:41:28.352] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003817)  
using the Articles of War,

**[03:41:30.268] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003818)  
tanggal ka na sa serbisyo.

**[03:41:32.184] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003819)  
Pero dito po,

**[03:41:34.100] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003820)  
But here,

**[03:41:35.059] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003821)  
hindi puwede.

**[03:41:36.017] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003822)  
Dadaan sa Civil Service;

**[03:41:36.975] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003823)  
ang daming proseso.

**[03:41:38.891] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003824)  
Hindi po tayo makakapag-weed out

**[03:41:39.849] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003825)  
ng mga bulok na tauhan

**[03:41:40.807] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003826)  
that are coming from

**[03:41:41.766] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003827)  
ng BuCor kaagad-agad.

**[03:41:44.640] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003828)  
Follow-up lang po ito.

**[03:41:46.854] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003829)  
Iyong mga tina-transfer ninyo,

**[03:41:47.961] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003830)  
we know na meron kayong mga tina-transfer

**[03:41:49.067] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003831)  
sa mga penal colonies

**[03:41:52.388] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003832)  
na mga PDLs.

**[03:41:53.495] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003833)  
That's correct.

**[03:41:54.602] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003834)  
Nababantayan ho ba talaga iyon?

**[03:41:56.815] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003835)  
Ang ginawa ko, for the longest time, iyong Chinese drug lords sa NBP, nilipat ko lahat sa Mindoro, sa Supermax.

**[03:42:08.880] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003836)  
At iyong report naman namin, we will submit to you, na drastically nabawasan na natin ang pagpasok ng mga drugs.

**[03:42:17.263] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003837)  
May mga nangyayari po. Iyong bibisitang misis may dala-dalang drugs, nilalagay sa private parts.

**[03:42:30.123] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003838)  
Meron ngang kuwento sa akin iyong mga guard, nagbibiro: nahuli raw nila kasi iyong cellphone nag-ring.

**[03:42:37.781] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003839)  
And then nakuha doon sa private parts niya, may cellphone, may adaptor, meron pang drugs.

**[03:42:43.306] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003840)  
So napakaliit na babae.

**[03:42:45.345] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003841)  
Opo. Totoo po.

**[03:42:45.840] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003842)  
Yes, that's true.

**[03:42:46.202] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003843)  
Paano po iyon?

**[03:42:47.250] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003844)  
Meron pong nangyaring ganoon.

**[03:42:49.479] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003845)  
Kaya talaga po, pagka ayaw nilang magpa-inspection, hindi na po namin puwedeng mag-conjugal visit kung ayaw magpa-inspect noong misis.

**[03:43:01.762] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003846)  
Tinatanong ko rin po iyan kasi iyong mga so-called witnesses doon sa kaso ko, those who gave perjurious testimonies,

**[03:43:09.467] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003847)  
iyong mga nai-transfer na po, iyon ho ba iyong mga nababantayan?

**[03:43:13.602] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003848)  
They were watched.

**[03:43:15.034] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003849)  
That's why.

**[03:43:15.881] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003850)  
You know who I’m referring to?

**[03:43:17.858] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003851)  
All those drug lords, those witnesses who testified in my cases—they were supposed to be transferred.

**[03:43:24.473] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003852)  
Nandoon po sila sa Mindoro?

**[03:43:26.954] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003853)  
Yes.

**[03:43:27.640] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003854)  
Pag bumibisita ako, nagno-noise barrage sila.

**[03:43:30.543] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003855)  
Tapos sabi ko, “Picturan mo lahat iyong nag-iingay.”

**[03:43:33.127] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003856)  
Hahanapan ko pa ng isang isla iyan. Ilagay ko sa isang isla na separate branch.

**[03:43:38.196] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003857)  
Kasi nagrereklamo sila.

**[03:43:41.059] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003858)  
Nagrereklamo po kasi nilipat sila doon sa Mindoro.

**[03:43:44.399] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003859)  
So, really...

**[03:43:45.254] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003860)  
They would want back to New Bilibid Prison.

**[03:43:48.037] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003861)  
Sa New Bilibid po, medyo mahirap po talagang ma-secure dahil—

**[03:43:52.709] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003862)  
kaya kailangan po isara na po natin iyang New Bilibid Prison dahil napaka-crowded po talaga.

**[03:43:59.548] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003863)  
At regional na lang.

**[03:44:00.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-003864)  
Yes.

**[03:44:04.000] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003865)  
I have no time anymore.

**[03:44:05.992] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003866)  
I have questions supposedly to DOJ proper, but I have no time.

**[03:44:08.825] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003867)  
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

**[03:44:11.040] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003868)  
Thank you, Cong. Leila.

**[03:44:11.404] Rep. Leila M. de Lima** (asr-003869)  
Maraming salamat po.

**[03:44:12.914] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003870)  
Next in line...

**[03:44:13.781] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003871)  
Next in line…

**[03:44:16.800] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-003872)  
Of course, my predecessor, previous sponsor of the DOJ budget, Cong Rufus Rodriguez.

**[03:44:26.560] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003873)  
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

**[03:44:28.236] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003874)  
Good afternoon to my distinguished colleagues and our valued resource persons this afternoon.

**[03:44:34.502] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003875)  
So I am here because I am here to support the budget of the OSEC and all the departments

**[03:44:43.740] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003876)  
and attached agencies of the Department of Justice.

**[03:44:47.411] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003877)  
Why?

**[03:44:47.711] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003878)  
Why?

**[03:44:49.267] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003879)  
I finished my undergraduate studies in De La Salle because I was able to get the salary of my father,

**[03:44:58.905] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003880)  
who was for 20 years provincial fiscal of Misamis Oriental.

**[03:45:03.235] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003881)  
And I would go to the, you know, La Salle, and then we go by jeepney to Padre Faura and get it.

**[03:45:10.917] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003882)  
So thank you again.

**[03:45:12.832] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003883)  
My life, therefore, has a history of support from the Department of Justice,

**[03:45:17.641] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003884)  
and we can never, our family can never forget that.

**[03:45:21.612] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003885)  
So first questions will be—these questions are leading questions—

**[03:45:30.142] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003886)  
To increase the budget of the OSEC.

**[03:45:32.536] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003887)  
Mr. Secretary, Frederick Vida.

**[03:45:35.210] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003888)  
Yes, sir.

**[03:45:35.689] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003889)  
The OSEC, while it looks like there is an increase,

**[03:45:39.680] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003890)  
however, your MOOE has been reduced from 1.9 to only 1.6,

**[03:45:47.841] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003891)  
so that 203.

**[03:45:49.717] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003892)  
million decrease. What is your wish on this, Mr. Secretary?

**[03:45:58.117] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003893)  
Your Honor, to meet the levels of 2026, to be restored to that level,

**[03:46:05.280] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003894)  
so that the department would have sufficient resources to fulfill its mandate, Your Honor.

**[03:46:12.683] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003895)  
Thank you.

**[03:46:13.142] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003896)  
So we will work on that in the BARC, in our Committee of Vice Chairpersons,

**[03:46:18.370] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003897)  
and then hopefully in the BICAM.

**[03:46:21.263] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003898)  
So thank you.

**[03:46:21.961] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003899)  
So restoration of 2.9.

**[03:46:23.358] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003900)  
2.3 for Secretary of Justice Vida.

**[03:46:26.391] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003901)  
Is that all?

**[03:46:31.200] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003902)  
Of course, Your Honor.

**[03:46:32.802] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003903)  
We made mention earlier of the request,

**[03:46:36.087] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003904)  
so particularly on the reduction of the NEP 2027

**[03:46:41.375] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003905)  
from the proposed budget for the Office of the Cybercrime,

**[03:46:45.902] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003906)  
the NCC-OSAEC and the IACAT.

**[03:46:50.249] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003907)  
Those are of particular importance,

**[03:46:52.693] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003908)  
which we do not want to lose the momentum that we have now, Your Honor.

**[03:46:57.059] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003909)  
How much for the three agencies?

**[03:47:00.164] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003910)  
Similarly, Your Honor, to be restored to the levels of 2026.

**[03:47:04.330] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003911)  
Which is?

**[03:47:05.352] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003912)  
Which is?

**[03:47:07.475] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003913)  
Take note, because we're going to work for this.

**[03:47:12.893] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003914)  
Forty-five, seventy.

**[03:47:18.862] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003915)  
Approximately 130 million, Your Honor.

**[03:47:21.787] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003916)  
Only?

**[03:47:22.528] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003917)  
For the three agencies?

**[03:47:24.351] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003918)  
Yes, for...

**[03:47:25.693] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003919)  
Please, please note down, because we’re going to make sure that it will be restored.

**[03:47:28.717] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003920)  
To meet the 2026 level.

**[03:47:29.558] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003921)  
Yes, at least 2026 level.

**[03:47:32.263] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003922)  
Anything else, Secretary?

**[03:47:35.618] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003923)  
Of course, particular interest would be on the request of the NBI

**[03:47:41.587] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003924)  
on their pursuit and in the particular challenge in addressing cybercrime

**[03:47:49.839] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003925)  
in pursuit of their investigation and their push

**[03:47:56.109] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003926)  
so that the requested budget from the DBM be restored on the ICT projects and programs.

**[03:48:03.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-003927)  
Thank you, Your Honor.

**[03:48:04.722] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003928)  
Yes, good that you've mentioned, because I'm going to go one by one,

**[03:48:08.648] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003929)  
those who were reduced in their 2027 NEP.

**[03:48:12.934] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003930)  
And we're going now to NBI, because mentioned already.

**[03:48:16.800] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003931)  
Director Melvin Matibag,

**[03:48:20.950] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003932)  
is it correct that your agency,

**[03:48:25.239] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003933)  
the National Bureau of Investigation,

**[03:48:27.294] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003934)  
from 3.791 million,

**[03:48:31.024] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003935)  
it is now only 2.9 billion?

**[03:48:33.578] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003936)  
All right.

**[03:48:33.698] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003937)  
It’s a decrease of 882 million, 23.2 percent.

**[03:48:39.742] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003938)  
Is that correct?

**[03:48:41.059] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003939)  
Yes, sir.

**[03:48:42.176] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003940)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:48:43.114] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003941)  
How can they do that to you?

**[03:48:45.767] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003942)  
I have no idea.

**[03:48:47.363] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003943)  
Just to be clear, I think the reason why is the utilization at that time,

**[03:48:52.610] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003944)  
because there are some ICT projects that need to be aligned,

**[03:48:58.017] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003945)  
be completed.

**[03:48:58.475] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003946)  
But right now, we have recognized the reasons for that,

**[03:49:03.622] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003947)  
and I think the...

**[03:49:06.356] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003948)  
The catch-up plan, right?

**[03:49:07.553] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003949)  
That's correct.

**[03:49:08.311] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003950)  
So you finish everything by December 31?

**[03:49:10.525] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003951)  
By December, we will have 98 percent utilization.

**[03:49:13.677] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003952)  
The remaining 2 percent will be for the maintenance of the ICT that we will be installing,

**[03:49:19.483] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003953)  
which has already been obligated by this time, Your Honor.

**[03:49:22.734] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003954)  
Very good.

**[03:49:23.373] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003955)  
So assuming, because we will assume that you will do it.

**[03:49:26.784] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003956)  
You’re a very good director.

**[03:49:28.261] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003957)  
Thank you.

**[03:49:28.580] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003958)  
So you will be able...

**[03:49:30.874] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003959)  
Can you place here a restoration of 880?

**[03:49:33.547] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003960)  
882 million, correct?

**[03:49:36.201] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003961)  
Yes.

**[03:49:36.819] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003962)  
And you're satisfied with that?

**[03:49:38.176] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003963)  
Well, I have a specific request, Mr. Chair.

**[03:49:42.186] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003964)  
Say that now.

**[03:49:43.702] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003965)  
It will not be counted against my time.

**[03:49:45.457] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003966)  
Our agents right now is getting a hazard pay of only 4,000 pesos monthly.

**[03:49:52.739] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003967)  
So we are requesting at least we can be leveled with the other law enforcements,

**[03:49:57.108] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003968)  
which is probably the reasonable amount will be 15,000 monthly for them to operate properly,

**[03:50:03.472] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003969)  
our agents has been transferred from one province to another,

**[03:50:07.123] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003970)  
and they’ve been operating 24/7, like the concern on the issue of OSAEC.

**[03:50:13.188] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003971)  
Records will reveal that we have so many operations and apprehensions on OSAEC

**[03:50:17.776] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003972)  
and other crimes, cyber crimes also, which we've been addressing.

**[03:50:23.063] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003973)  
So I'm respectfully requesting that the hazard pay of our agents from 4,000 be increased to 15,000 at least.

**[03:50:30.784] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003974)  
15,000?

**[03:50:31.641] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003975)  
Yes.

**[03:50:32.160] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003976)  
Approved.

**[03:50:32.579] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003977)  
Thank you.

**[03:50:33.397] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003978)  
From me, from me.

**[03:50:35.232] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003979)  
Okay.

**[03:50:37.367] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003980)  
Work for that.

**[03:50:38.464] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-003981)  
Salamat po.

**[03:50:40.200] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003982)  
The NBI director is my good, you know, our cherished faculty member.

**[03:50:45.585] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003983)  
I was dean of San Sebastian College of Law, and I personally requested President Rueda to teach,

**[03:50:51.869] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003984)  
and he was there for quite some time with me.

**[03:50:54.422] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003985)  
And so now to Chief Rueda-Acosta, what do you need?

**[03:50:58.072] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003986)  
I think it will be about the opening of more, you know,

**[03:51:02.939] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003987)  
PAO.

**[03:51:03.318] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-003988)  
PAO lawyers because of the ratio of courts vis-a-vis the PAO attorneys.

**[03:51:12.912] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-003989)  
We need 559 lawyers, Your Honor.

**[03:51:16.343] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-003990)  
We are amenable to half the number.

**[03:51:18.776] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003991)  
How much is 500?

**[03:51:20.950] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-003992)  
Yes, 500.

**[03:51:22.027] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003993)  
How much is that?

**[03:51:23.603] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-003994)  
One billion, Your Honor.

**[03:51:25.538] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003995)  
You just know it.

**[03:51:27.393] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-003996)  
Because of the high salary.

**[03:51:30.125] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-003997)  
We are amenable to half.

**[03:51:31.741] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-003998)  
How much is one half?

**[03:51:33.237] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-003999)  
Half, only, Your Honor.

**[03:51:35.671] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004000)  
Maybe 225 new lawyers.

**[03:51:38.463] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004001)  
But give us 400 staff.

**[03:51:40.258] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004002)  
We have no staff.

**[03:51:42.093] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004003)  
There is no creation of staff position.

**[03:51:44.148] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004004)  
How much will be the total of that?

**[03:51:46.820] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004005)  
Meaning both the PAO lawyers and the staff?

**[03:51:50.471] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004006)  
200 lawyers, maybe, and 400 staff.

**[03:51:53.842] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004007)  
That may be around 600 million.

**[03:51:57.093] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004008)  
Reasonable?

**[03:51:58.948] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004009)  
Around 700 million.

**[03:52:00.623] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004010)  
Oh, reasonable also.

**[03:52:01.561] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004011)  
So 700.

**[03:52:03.156] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004012)  
700 million.

**[03:52:04.154] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004013)  
We try to have that.

**[03:52:05.151] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004014)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:52:06.148] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004015)  
Because the Department of Justice and our PAO should support it.

**[03:52:09.140] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004016)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:52:10.138] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004017)  
Thank you, Your Honor.

**[03:52:11.135] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004018)  
Remember, I worked hard for this last year.

**[03:52:12.132] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004019)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:52:13.130] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004020)  
They knew.

**[03:52:14.127] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004021)  
But fortunately, there was no...

**[03:52:15.124] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004022)  
There is continuous creation of courts, branches of courts.

**[03:52:18.116] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004023)  
That's correct.

**[03:52:19.113] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004024)  
That's correct.

**[03:52:20.111] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004025)  
So we need fiscals and PAO lawyers at the same time, Your Honor.

**[03:52:23.103] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004026)  
Thank you.

**[03:52:24.100] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004027)  
And then, of course, my favorite, Commissioner of the Bureau of Immigration, where I was once

**[03:52:30.565] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004028)  
one of the Bureau.

**[03:52:31.556] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004029)  
That's correct.

**[03:52:32.548] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004030)  
Commissioner, I understand here in your office, the BI has been greatly reduced by

**[03:52:41.471] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004031)  
1.6 billion.

**[03:52:44.446] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004032)  
How is that, Commissioner Viado, with your very outstanding performance there?

**[03:52:49.404] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004033)  
You're doing so well.

**[03:52:50.395] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004034)  
Why are they reducing that?

**[03:52:52.378] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004035)  
I don't know the reason why, Your Honor.

**[03:52:55.353] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004036)  
But thank you very much for the endorsement.

**[03:52:57.336] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004037)  
And we will increase the additional budget.

**[03:53:01.302] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004038)  
Yeah.

**[03:53:02.293] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004039)  
What will be the more important priority budget you would request from the committee?

**[03:53:07.251] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004040)  
Thank you very much, Your Honor.

**[03:53:09.234] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004041)  
First and foremost, we would like to inform the committee and, of course, the honorable

**[03:53:16.175] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004042)  
Representative, Congressman Rodriguez, that we already moved to our new building, Your

**[03:53:22.124] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004043)  
Honor.

**[03:53:23.115] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004044)  
So we would...

**[03:53:24.107] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004045)  
Yes.

**[03:53:25.098] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004046)  
And we would need the budget for capital outlay for the post-construction of the new BI building.

**[03:53:30.056] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004047)  
It was removed, Your Honor.

**[03:53:31.047] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004048)  
How much is that?

**[03:53:32.039] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004049)  
In the amount of 276,280,000, Your Honor.

**[03:53:33.030] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004050)  
Okay.

**[03:53:34.022] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004051)  
What else?

**[03:53:35.013] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004052)  
And we would also like to ask for the capital outlay for the locally funded projects for

**[03:53:45.920] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004053)  
the development, enhancement, and procurement of IT systems and infrastructures, not only

**[03:53:50.878] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004054)  
within the main building, the new BI building, but also our support offices, Your Honor.

**[03:53:56.827] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004055)  
So the amount is...

**[03:53:57.818] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004056)  
Total is 1,200,527,811, Your Honor.

**[03:53:58.810] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004057)  
Okay.

**[03:53:59.801] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004058)  
527,811, Your Honor.

**[03:54:00.793] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004059)  
Of that for you to be able to perform.

**[03:54:01.784] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004060)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:54:02.776] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004061)  
And I was in your new building with Secretary Rimulya at the time.

**[03:54:03.767] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004062)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:54:04.759] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004063)  
And it’s a very good building right there on Macapagal Avenue.

**[03:54:05.751] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004064)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:54:06.742] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004065)  
Thank you.

**[03:54:07.734] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004066)  
Anything else?

**[03:54:08.725] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004067)  
That's all, Your Honor.

**[03:54:09.717] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004068)  
Thank you very much.

**[03:54:10.708] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004069)  
Thank you very much.

**[03:54:11.700] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004070)  
Thank you.

**[03:54:12.691] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004071)  
We will work on this.

**[03:54:13.683] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004072)  
Thank you.

**[03:54:14.674] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004073)  
And then next, we will have the OSG.

**[03:54:15.666] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004074)  
Solicitor General Darlene Marie Berberabe is here.

**[03:54:16.657] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004075)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:54:31.530] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004089)  
You have an increase, but do you need more?

**[03:54:32.531] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004090)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[03:54:33.531] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004091)  
The increase of 248 million, I think 255 will go to the first-year installment for the building

**[03:54:47.740] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004092)  
that OSG will procure through the GSIS lease-to-own financing framework.

**[03:54:58.227] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004093)  
So . . .

**[03:54:59.228] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004094)  
Iyon po iyong nasa ISSP, 123 million.

**[03:55:03.830] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004095)  
How much is the entire building? Because the Ombudsman is buying, GSIS also.

**[03:55:08.113] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004096)  
Yung sa OSG po, total of 4.5 billion pesos for the whole OSG,

**[03:55:15.118] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004097)  
and may balik din po naman sa government,

**[03:55:18.039] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004098)  
sapagkat ibebenta po yung OSG main building now sa Amor Solo Street,

**[03:55:22.622] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004099)  
so babalik po yun.

**[03:55:24.043] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004100)  
So around maybe 800 million to 1 billion pesos din po yun.

**[03:55:27.966] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004101)  
And then, ang hiningi lang po namin ay dahil through the MYCA,

**[03:55:32.469] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004102)  
so 255 million will go to the first year installment to be paid to GSIS.

**[03:55:39.053] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004103)  
250 million?

**[03:55:40.994] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004104)  
First year?

**[03:55:42.035] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004105)  
First year. So iyon po iyong nakalagay sa NEP.

**[03:55:44.736] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004106)  
Has the DBM approved your MYCA proposal?

**[03:55:47.718] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004107)  
Because if it is there, every year we'll be able to put a budget.

**[03:55:52.441] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004108)  
Yes, ang nailagay po ng DBM dahil ang timeline po namin,

**[03:55:57.985] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004109)  
six months pa to kung makonfirm, then mafifit out po yung building.

**[03:56:03.128] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004110)  
So half year lang po.

**[03:56:05.790] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004111)  
Ang nawala po yung sa computerization, sa digital transformation program po yung 100 million.

**[03:56:12.734] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004112)  
Very important. How much is that?

**[03:56:14.875] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004113)  
123 million po.

**[03:56:16.757] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004114)  
Computerization, we need that very much.

**[03:56:18.758] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004115)  
Yes.

**[03:56:19.298] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004116)  
Plus the building, 250 for the year, next year.

**[03:56:22.220] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004117)  
Iyong pong building, nandoon na po iyon sa NEP.

**[03:56:25.582] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004118)  
So ang medyo inihihirit po yung...

**[03:56:28.004] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004119)  
na-exclude po, gawa ng isiningit po yung sa building.

**[03:56:31.686] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004120)  
Okay. Digitalization is very important.

**[03:56:34.768] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004121)  
Thank you.

**[03:56:35.448] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004122)  
So anything else?

**[03:56:37.610] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004123)  
Our solicitor general, who is doing a very good job in the Supreme Court of the Republic of the Philippines.

**[03:56:44.114] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004124)  
Thank you. Thank you po.

**[03:56:45.335] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004125)  
Na-iraos na po natin ang GAA oral argument sa Supreme Court.

**[03:56:52.019] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004126)  
Thank you, Congressman Rufus.

**[03:56:53.900] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004127)  
And we have the office of the ADR reduced also.

**[03:56:58.022] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004128)  
Very small part, reduced pa. Where is the OADR head?

**[03:57:02.723] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004129)  
Here, sir. Good afternoon, sir.

**[03:57:06.265] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004130)  
Here.

**[03:57:07.625] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004131)  
Yes, sir.

**[03:57:08.805] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004132)  
It was reduced by 26 million.

**[03:57:12.547] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004133)  
That's right.

**[03:57:14.748] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004134)  
What is your wish?

**[03:57:16.088] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004135)  
Well, you are like some other official saying, I just scolded the CDA representative in that hearing just recently

**[03:57:24.351] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004136)  
with the Department of Industry.

**[03:57:28.033] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004137)  
Because he said, he said, this budget will do.

**[03:57:32.854] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004138)  
Can you imagine that?

**[03:57:35.475] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004139)  
He will agree to the small budget.

**[03:57:37.836] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004140)  
He will never say that in a budget hearing that we will make do with the budget.

**[03:57:42.198] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004141)  
You fight always so that you will have an increase in your budget.

**[03:57:46.739] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004142)  
What do you say?

**[03:57:48.300] OADR Executive Director Jose Maria Palaganas** (asr-004143)  
That's correct, Your Honor.

**[03:57:49.540] OADR Executive Director Jose Maria Palaganas** (asr-004144)  
Rufus.

**[03:57:50.021] OADR Executive Director Jose Maria Palaganas** (asr-004145)  
We would like to propose restoring it to the original 168 million for 2027.

**[03:57:58.044] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004146)  
So we restore 26 million, correct?

**[03:58:04.206] OADR Executive Director Jose Maria Palaganas** (asr-004147)  
That's right.

**[03:58:04.666] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004148)  
OADR, right?

**[03:58:05.506] OADR Executive Director Jose Maria Palaganas** (asr-004149)  
That's right.

**[03:58:06.407] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004150)  
Oh, OGCC also reduced.

**[03:58:09.748] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004151)  
Please say your piece.

**[03:58:15.900] Office of the Government Corporate Counsel representative** (asr-004152)  
Mr. Chairman, we will defer to the judgment of the DBM, Your Honor.

**[03:58:23.743] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004153)  
You never defer to the judgment.

**[03:58:25.364] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004154)  
They always lower everything.

**[03:58:27.945] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004155)  
Anyway, Mr. Chairman.

**[03:58:29.685] Office of the Government Corporate Counsel representative** (asr-004156)  
Mr. Chairman, we have an optimization plan that we presented to the DBM and we hope they will...

**[03:58:40.069] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004157)  
So, we will work also for you.

**[03:58:43.290] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004158)  
And then, my second-to-the-last question is the Parole and Probation Administration.

**[03:58:50.873] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004159)  
My goodness.

**[03:58:52.194] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004160)  
Your budget is small.

**[03:58:53.854] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004161)  
Reduced by 49 million.

**[03:58:57.195] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004162)  
What can you say?

**[03:58:58.396] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004163)  
Administrator Benitez,

**[03:58:59.696] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004164)  
Where are you?

**[03:59:05.098] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004165)  
Ah, yes.

**[03:59:07.099] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004166)  
For...

**[03:59:07.939] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004167)  
Bukor.

**[03:59:08.780] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004168)  
Ah, Bukor.

**[03:59:09.400] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004169)  
Bukor, let me see.

**[03:59:12.841] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004170)  
Ah, you were increased.

**[03:59:14.942] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004171)  
So, are you thanking the DBM for that?

**[03:59:17.863] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004172)  
We are requesting more for next year.

**[03:59:23.525] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004173)  
But hopefully, this budget will not anymore be touched.

**[03:59:27.807] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004174)  
It will never be reduced, but it will be increased.

**[03:59:30.648] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004175)  
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

**[03:59:32.168] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004176)  
How about the...

**[03:59:33.809] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004177)  
Administrator Benitez.

**[03:59:35.910] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004178)  
Ah, you are Administrator Benitez.

**[03:59:36.850] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004179)  
Yes, sir.

**[03:59:37.785] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004180)  
How about the Parole and Probation Administration?

**[03:59:39.676] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004181)  
Your Honor.

**[03:59:40.671] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004182)  
Sino?

**[03:59:41.667] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004183)  
Parole Probation?

**[03:59:42.841] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004184)  
Yeah.

**[03:59:43.836] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004185)  
You are General?

**[03:59:45.249] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004186)  
Bienvenido, sir.

**[03:59:47.100] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004187)  
Yes, sir.

**[03:59:48.120] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004188)  
So I have a wrong addressee.

**[03:59:50.940] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004189)  
So I have some letter for you.

**[03:59:54.200] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004190)  
So the parole probation, again, was reduced by 49 million.

**[04:00:00.840] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004191)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:00:01.300] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004192)  
So what are the important items to be restored?

**[04:00:04.840] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004193)  
In our case, we were reduced by 49 million,

**[04:00:08.880] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004194)  
pero po kasi intact na po kami sa ISSP computerization namin.

**[04:00:14.160] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004195)  
Ang wish list po namin ay para sa probation officers’ ladderized

**[04:00:20.320] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004196)  
three-year improvement program for their major competencies po.

**[04:00:26.420] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004197)  
This is about 8,198,000 for a three-year period.

**[04:00:36.100] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004198)  
Eight million?

**[04:00:38.100] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004199)  
So not billion?

**[04:00:39.700] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004200)  
Very small?

**[04:00:41.120] Parole and Probation Administration representative** (asr-004201)  
Yes, sir.

**[04:00:41.540] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004202)  
Eight million.

**[04:00:42.660] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004203)  
So we'll try to work on that.

**[04:00:44.160] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004204)  
Any other agency not called?

**[04:00:45.540] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004205)  
Because I think I called everybody already.

**[04:00:51.340] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004206)  
I'll just, okay.

**[04:00:53.520] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004207)  
Lahat naman yata nakuha na, no?

**[04:00:55.820] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004208)  
PCGG, yes?

**[04:00:57.960] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004209)  
PCGG.

**[04:00:59.040] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004210)  
Yeah.

**[04:01:00.060] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004211)  
Well, you have an increase here.

**[04:01:02.120] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004212)  
But what is the wish of PCGG?

**[04:01:03.740] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004213)  
Ang wish po namin, eto talagang wish po, is more institutional rather than budgetary.

**[04:01:14.380] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004214)  
Okay.

**[04:01:14.800] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004215)  
Okay.

**[04:01:15.440] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004216)  
So our wish is that the mandate of the PCGG will be expanded, but this requires a law po kasi.

**[04:01:22.960] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004217)  
Because presently po, our mandate is limited.

**[04:01:28.080] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004218)  
It's limited to a few individuals only.

**[04:01:32.620] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004219)  
And so we would like to expand sana yung mandate ng PCGG to include all public officials.

**[04:01:43.600] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004220)  
Right now po,

**[04:01:45.440] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004221)  
Mandate namin is to file civil forfeiture cases.

**[04:01:50.360] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004222)  
So as far as corruption is concerned, that is the template that has been used by the PCGG for the past 40 years.

**[04:01:58.680] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004223)  
And we were able to recover more than 300 billion only through civil forfeiture.

**[04:02:05.700] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004224)  
Wala po kaming naipakulong, pero we were able to recover that much.

**[04:02:10.900] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004225)  
And so gusto po sana namin ma-expand yung mandate.

**[04:02:14.360] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004226)  
Perhaps we can now give way to a new mandate.

**[04:02:19.280] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004227)  
I understand there's already a bill for that.

**[04:02:21.660] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004228)  
Yes po.

**[04:02:22.320] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004229)  
So I will be a co-author.

**[04:02:24.420] PCGG Chairperson** (asr-004230)  
Yes po.

**[04:02:24.820] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004231)  
For that, so that you will be able to expand your powers.

**[04:02:30.660] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004232)  
With that, Mr. Chairman, I thank you for being lenient with me.

**[04:02:34.800] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004233)  
I congratulate Secretary Vida for an outstanding performance as Secretary of Justice.

**[04:02:41.360] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004234)  
And all of our attached agencies.

**[04:02:43.720] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004235)  
Again, you have our support here in Congress.

**[04:02:46.580] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004236)  
For after all, justice is an important component of a democracy and development of our nation.

**[04:02:54.420] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004237)  
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for your leniency in my time.

**[04:02:57.700] Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez** (asr-004238)  
Thank you.

**[04:02:58.319] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-004239)  
Thank you, Kong Rufus.

**[04:02:59.359] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-004240)  
Thank you for emphasizing the needs of the DOJ and its attached agencies

**[04:03:10.760] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-004241)  
para po mas maganda pa po yung operations na magawa po nila.

**[04:03:16.880] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-004242)  
Next in line from the minority.

**[04:03:17.920] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-004243)  
Representative Egay Erice.

**[04:03:23.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004244)  
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

**[04:03:24.439] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004245)  
Good afternoon, Secretary Vida and the DOJ family.

**[04:03:29.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004246)  
We in the minority strongly supports the promises of Congressman Rufus.

**[04:03:36.199] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004247)  
And I think we can assure fiscal space by reducing the appropriations of the House of Representatives.

**[04:03:46.479] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004248)  
Anyway.

**[04:03:54.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004256)  
Ang first question ko po, Secretary, para po sa ating immigration.

**[04:03:58.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004257)  
And this is about the CAIS, the Civil Aviation Immigration Security Services Project.

**[04:04:04.040] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004258)  
Good afternoon, Your Honor.

**[04:04:04.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004259)  
I would like to maybe appraise of what's the status of the project na.

**[04:04:10.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004260)  
The current status, Your Honor, po, it is under contract review.

**[04:04:14.680] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004261)  
And the final screening will be made by the Department of Finance, the OSG, and the PPP Center, po, Your Honor.

**[04:04:22.960] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004262)  
But the contract was already signed?

**[04:04:24.720] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004263)  
No contract has been signed, Your Honor.

**[04:04:28.199] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004264)  
So can you just brief us on what's in particular is the contract?

**[04:04:38.720] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004265)  
This is a build, train, maintain, transfer modality?

**[04:04:45.680] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004266)  
That's correct, Your Honor.

**[04:04:47.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004267)  
Build, train, maintain, and transfer modality, it is a public-private partnership proposed

**[04:04:52.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004268)  
by SIGRIPORT and delivers an integrated aviation and border security platform.

**[04:04:58.960] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004269)  
Combining biometrics, merong advanced analytics.

**[04:05:02.319] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004270)  
When you say, Your Honor, advanced analytics, kahit po yung behavior ng isang tao at the

**[04:05:08.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004271)  
point wherein kinukuha yung information regarding him, any nervous stick, any facial contortion

**[04:05:17.560] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004272)  
can be read by the system to determine kung high risk po siya at malaking probability

**[04:05:24.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004273)  
that he will cause havoc when entering the Philippines.

**[04:05:28.960] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004274)  
And it also integrates passenger information systems with the ultimate objective of enhancing

**[04:05:36.439] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004275)  
national security and immigration control.

**[04:05:39.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004276)  
The features of this program include access to billions of facial images.

**[04:05:47.080] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004277)  
Yung categorization po and then risk scoring, meaning kaya po na nabanggit ko kanina, kung

**[04:05:54.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004278)  
high risk po yung pasahero na lagi intend na pumasok ng Pilipinas, then ma-analyze po

**[04:06:00.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004279)  
at mabibigyan po ng proper tool ang aming immigration officer to decide whether or not

**[04:06:05.920] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004280)  
to allow this person to enter.

**[04:06:08.120] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004281)  
Meron din pong biographic comparison against criminal and sanctions databases, meaning

**[04:06:13.880] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004282)  
ang interpol po, may access po tayo dyan sa kanilang...

**[04:06:17.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004283)  
system, not only sa Central, but all 194 countries sa konektado po sa Interpol.

**[04:06:24.680] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004284)  
Meron din pong deception detection analytics based on mga nabanggit ko po, involuntary

**[04:06:32.159] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004285)  
and physical cues.

**[04:06:34.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004286)  
And nandyan din po ang AI-assisted open source intelligence, meaning kung nagkataon po na

**[04:06:41.120] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004287)  
let's say 15, 20 years ago, on Facebook, meron po kayong nasabi, which would

**[04:06:47.080] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004288)  
be the system would read as amounting to or gearing towards terrorism.

**[04:06:54.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004289)  
Mababasa rin po yan, Your Honor.

**[04:06:56.359] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004290)  
Ang target po nito, Your Honor, is to increase, expand the borders, meaning hindi na lang po

**[04:07:04.760] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004291)  
border natin o physical border po ng Pilipinas ang babantayan.

**[04:07:09.040] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004292)  
Na-expand po natin yan pagating sa ibang bansa.

**[04:07:11.120] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004293)  
Ngayon po, kung ang isang pasahero nagsusubok pumunta ng Pilipinas, based po sa...

**[04:07:17.560] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004294)  
pagkuhan niya ng ticket, pagkuhan niya ng kanyang passenger reference number, mariread

**[04:07:23.800] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004295)  
po ito, and then even before boarding ng aeroplano, kung sa tingin po ng sistema na hindi po siya

**[04:07:32.880] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004296)  
dapat sumakay o pumasok ng Pilipinas, ibabato po yung information na po na yun in real time

**[04:07:39.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004297)  
sa immigration officers po natin dito sa Pilipinas.

**[04:07:43.119] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004298)  
So, that would also...

**[04:07:46.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004299)  
down to the benefit of the airlines, kasi hindi na po sila gagastos para pabalikin pa po ang isang tao

**[04:07:51.560] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004300)  
na hindi naman po pa papasukin dito sa ating bansa.

**[04:07:54.439] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004301)  
So, yan po ang features po.

**[04:07:56.800] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004302)  
And then, Your Honor, we also have to take into account that the system being resorted to,

**[04:08:03.800] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004303)  
or systems being resorted to, schemes, if I may call it that, resorted to by terrorists, criminals, are ever evolving.

**[04:08:13.720] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004304)  
So, itong sistema po na ito...

**[04:08:15.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004305)  
aims to combat, or help, or be a tool to help our immigration officers in combating human trafficking,

**[04:08:23.960] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004306)  
smuggling, drug and weapon smuggling, terrorism, money laundering, tax evasion, and organized crime.

**[04:08:30.840] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004307)  
Yan po. Yan po yung sistema, Your Honor.

**[04:08:32.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004308)  
Ano na-propose po yung Secure Reports Limited?

**[04:08:36.760] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004309)  
That's correct, Your Honor. Secure Reports Limited.

**[04:08:38.319] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004310)  
Sino pong mayari nito? Porin or Pilipino?

**[04:08:41.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004311)  
Ano po? Ang Secure Report po is a company incorporated in the United States.

**[04:08:45.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004312)  
It's way back in 2000. Hindi po Philippine Corporation po yan.

**[04:08:50.520] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004313)  
They gave an unsolicited proposal.

**[04:08:53.159] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004314)  
Two years in the making na po, Your Honor, ang pag-review po ng iba't-iba ahensya ng gobyerno dito sa proposal po nila.

**[04:09:01.279] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004315)  
It went through the PPP Center, it went to the DOJ, it went through the Bureau of Immigration.

**[04:09:10.520] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004316)  
So, dalawang taon na po, Your Honor, na...

**[04:09:12.159] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004317)  
So, but...

**[04:09:14.080] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004318)  
Do you mean that...

**[04:09:15.319] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004319)  
Your Honor, a sovereign company will have an access to the data of...

**[04:09:20.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004320)  
Your Honor, a sovereign function at control po dito sa datos po na ito is retained by the Philippine government.

**[04:09:27.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004321)  
But how about the servers?

**[04:09:31.520] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004322)  
Tayo po may control dyan, Your Honor.

**[04:09:33.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004323)  
They only provide the tools and teach our people how to operate those.

**[04:09:37.720] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004324)  
But ultimately, ang control po...

**[04:09:40.199] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004325)  
Initially, they will be accessing these datas.

**[04:09:44.159] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004326)  
Yes.

**[04:09:45.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004327)  
They will help us provide...

**[04:09:47.279] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004328)  
They will help provide the tools...

**[04:09:48.159] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004329)  
Initially.

**[04:09:49.439] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004330)  
Yes or no?

**[04:09:52.199] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004331)  
As far as I know, Your Honor, no.

**[04:09:55.520] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004332)  
They will not have control over the data.

**[04:09:58.439] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004333)  
They will have no control...

**[04:09:59.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004334)  
They will have no control over the data, Your Honor.

**[04:10:01.680] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004335)  
Okay.

**[04:10:02.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004336)  
Control is maintained by us.

**[04:10:02.880] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004337)  
Because I filed a resolution to investigate this particular contract.

**[04:10:08.439] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004338)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:10:08.720] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004339)  
Aside from the...

**[04:10:09.520] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004340)  
Yes.

**[04:10:10.279] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004341)  
Aside from the...

**[04:10:11.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004342)  
Kasi po, diba, yung tinanggal nga ng gobyerno, yung tinatanggal ngayon ng gobyerno, yung...

**[04:10:16.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004343)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:10:16.520] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004344)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:10:16.880] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004345)  
So, parang ano, parang yung policy decision ng presidente ay tanggalan ng bawasan yung gastos ng mga pasahero.

**[04:10:29.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004346)  
Pero ito dadagdagan.

**[04:10:31.119] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004347)  
Opo, Your Honor.

**[04:10:31.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004348)  
Your Honor, ito po kasi, hindi po ito form ng tax, Your Honor.

**[04:10:34.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004349)  
Ito po ay service fee.

**[04:10:36.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004350)  
So, hindi naman...

**[04:10:37.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004351)  
Yes, but that's the function of government.

**[04:10:39.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004352)  
That's why we are collecting taxes, diba, from our people to provide services.

**[04:10:44.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004353)  
And that's...

**[04:10:46.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004354)  
Immigration service yan, yung...

**[04:10:48.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004355)  
Yes, Your Honor, we...

**[04:10:50.040] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004356)  
Cyber security.

**[04:10:51.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004357)  
Yes, po.

**[04:10:51.439] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004358)  
So, ang concern ko po dito, parang magkakontra yung policy.

**[04:10:57.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004359)  
In fact, dito po sa travel tax, exempted na yung mga OFWs.

**[04:11:04.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004360)  
Pero dito, kasama.

**[04:11:07.159] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004361)  
So, yung mga OFWs natin na nagdadala ng dolyar dito sa ating bansa, dadagdagan pa natin ng gastos.

**[04:11:14.359] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004362)  
Samantalang, yung revenue na nare-raise natin sa kanila, eh, pwede nating gastosin for this purpose.

**[04:11:21.560] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004363)  
We understand, Your Honor, and we fully agree po with your position.

**[04:11:25.159] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004364)  
As I've stated, this is a secure...

**[04:11:27.080] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004365)  
Ano po?

**[04:11:27.479] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004366)  
Service fee po ito, Your Honor.

**[04:11:29.479] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004367)  
Meaning, hindi po namin pwede ipasa sa madlang bayan, taong bayan, sa ordinary taxpayer po, ang pag-gastos po dito.

**[04:11:37.040] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004368)  
Ang gagastos po dito ay ang mga taong nagka-travel.

**[04:11:40.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004369)  
Hindi po lahat ng...

**[04:11:40.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004370)  
Pag-Ws.

**[04:11:42.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004371)  
Your Honor, admittedly po, sa kanila po, ang mga...

**[04:11:44.439] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004372)  
Ang mga pung-ticket, isasama po ang gastosin dito.

**[04:11:46.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004373)  
Kaya nga, kaya nga.

**[04:11:47.840] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004374)  
Your Honor, but if I may continue, Your Honor.

**[04:11:49.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004375)  
Your Honor, ang gastosin po pagdating sa ticket, hindi po sinasagot po yan ng OFWs.

**[04:11:55.560] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004376)  
Sagot po yan ng mga employers nila.

**[04:11:57.680] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004377)  
Ang employers po, under an executive order, and under various agreements with other countries,

**[04:12:04.119] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004378)  
ang sumasagot po yan ng gastosin po sa pamasahe, at including na po, kung sakali ma-approvean po ito,

**[04:12:11.920] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004379)  
yung service fee po na ito, ay sasagotin ng...

**[04:12:14.319] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004380)  
So hindi OFWs po natin ang sasagot.

**[04:12:22.080] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004381)  
Ito po yung mga kumpanyang kukuha po sa kanila ang sasagot dito.

**[04:12:25.319] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004382)  
And if I may, Your Honor, ito pong sistema po na ito, ginagamit na po yan worldwide.

**[04:12:31.040] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004383)  
Hindi lang po natin siguro napapansin, pero ang ibang bansa po, nilalagay po yan, nakasama ng gastosin sa mga ticket po.

**[04:12:37.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004384)  
As I've stated earlier, Your Honor, ang Australia po, charges about 2,600...

**[04:12:42.960] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004385)  
Sir, you said Hong Kong is doing this.

**[04:12:44.439] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004386)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:12:45.760] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004387)  
I've been traveling to Hong Kong for quite some time, pero wala akong nakikita ng gano'n.

**[04:12:51.199] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004388)  
Baka po sa breakdown, makikita po natin, Your Honor.

**[04:12:54.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004389)  
Yan po, Hong Kong charges 1,800, Japan charges 1,200, Singapore charges 2,400, Australia charges 2,600.

**[04:13:05.040] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004390)  
We charge 240 pesos. So ganyan po yung comparison po, Your Honor.

**[04:13:10.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004391)  
The total project cost is 10,740,000.

**[04:13:15.479] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004392)  
Your Honor, for the first five years po yan, 10.7 billion, Your Honor.

**[04:13:19.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004393)  
But ang security report po promised a technology maintenance upgrade po.

**[04:13:26.279] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004394)  
Upgrade not only of the systems, but also of the training for people every four years over the 20-year period.

**[04:13:33.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004395)  
Kasama po dito sa 10 billion?

**[04:13:34.720] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004396)  
Hindi po, Your Honor.

**[04:13:35.680] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004397)  
So another increase?

**[04:13:37.159] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004398)  
Hindi po, Your Honor.

**[04:13:38.439] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004399)  
Ang commitment po nila is during the lifetime of the...

**[04:13:44.760] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004400)  
The agreement sa 20 years po na yan, ganyan lang po naka napag-usapan po namin na charges nila.

**[04:13:51.199] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004401)  
Ano po ang capex nila for the whole project?

**[04:13:53.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004402)  
For the whole project po, over the 20-year period, so 10.7 initially, additional, I think, 52.5 billion over the 20-year period po.

**[04:14:02.880] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004403)  
So 62 point...

**[04:14:03.600] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004404)  
It is in the proposed contract?

**[04:14:07.479] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004405)  
It is. Everything is under the proposed contract and under review by all pertinent government agencies.

**[04:14:14.239] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004406)  
The total estimated collection is about 202 billion.

**[04:14:21.199] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004407)  
Probably, Your Honor.

**[04:14:22.439] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004408)  
And the share of the private corporation is 192 billion.

**[04:14:25.960] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004409)  
Ang breakdown po, if I may, Your Honor, is per kada apat na dolyar po, 380 goes to the proponent, 20 cents goes to the Philippine government.

**[04:14:34.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004410)  
5%.

**[04:14:35.479] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004411)  
5% share.

**[04:14:38.199] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004412)  
Yes.

**[04:14:38.880] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004413)  
So this is about 10 billion.

**[04:14:40.680] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004414)  
Tama po, 5%.

**[04:14:41.279] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004415)  
95% of the collections will go to the private.

**[04:14:44.279] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004416)  
A provider.

**[04:14:45.720] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004417)  
Yes.

**[04:14:46.439] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004418)  
And only 5%.

**[04:14:49.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004419)  
To the government.

**[04:14:50.279] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004420)  
Sir, why are you still giving this to the government?

**[04:14:54.040] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004421)  
Sorry, sir.

**[04:14:54.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004422)  
Sorry, Your Honor.

**[04:14:55.199] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004423)  
This is your service, immigration, to our people.

**[04:14:57.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004424)  
Why are you still giving this to the government?

**[04:14:58.840] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004425)  
It will fund the projects of the Bureau of Immigration.

**[04:15:04.359] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004426)  
And yes, sir.

**[04:15:06.680] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004427)  
Immigration, projects of immigration for this?

**[04:15:10.560] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004428)  
Will also return to the benefit of the government, Your Honor.

**[04:15:13.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004429)  
Why would you fund another project out of this particular project?

**[04:15:19.479] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004430)  
But this will go to the National Treasury, Your Honor.

**[04:15:22.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004431)  
That's it.

**[04:15:23.439] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004432)  
And then, since we are the agency...

**[04:15:27.319] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004433)  
So this is still a business of the government?

**[04:15:30.159] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004434)  
There's a profit.

**[04:15:32.279] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004435)  
The service is what the business does.

**[04:15:35.760] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004436)  
No, Your Honor.

**[04:15:37.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004437)  
We are charging...

**[04:15:38.159] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004438)  
It's 5% profit.

**[04:15:40.319] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004439)  
It's not...

**[04:15:41.800] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004440)  
It's the share between...

**[04:15:43.439] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004441)  
Private proponent and the government, Your Honor.

**[04:15:46.199] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004442)  
Is this a part of the Swiss Challenge?

**[04:15:49.199] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004443)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:15:50.319] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004444)  
There was a comparative challenge, which is the Swiss Challenge, which...

**[04:15:53.600] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004445)  
Who gave the comparative challenge?

**[04:15:58.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004446)  
We sent out notices, Your Honor.

**[04:16:01.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004447)  
But no one came?

**[04:16:02.040] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004448)  
No one challenged, Your Honor.

**[04:16:03.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004449)  
Usually, that's the case.

**[04:16:05.479] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004450)  
Usually, that's the case.

**[04:16:06.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004451)  
Anyway, can we give a copy before the plenary of the proposed contract?

**[04:16:13.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004452)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:16:13.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004453)  
And the terms of reference and the proposal of the company and the resolution of your PBAC, the bidding committee.

**[04:16:31.080] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004454)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:16:31.680] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004455)  
We will provide all the necessary documents to you.

**[04:16:34.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004456)  
Before the plenary?

**[04:16:37.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004457)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:16:37.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004458)  
From the PPP, DOJ, Bureau of Immigration.

**[04:16:42.279] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004459)  
All of that.

**[04:16:43.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004460)  
Your Honor, we will provide it to you as requested, Your Honor.

**[04:16:47.960] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004461)  
Another topic.

**[04:16:50.720] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004462)  
Last question.

**[04:16:51.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004463)  
My last question.

**[04:16:52.479] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004464)  
Thank you.

**[04:16:53.960] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004465)  
Still on immigration.

**[04:16:55.399] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004466)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:16:55.680] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004467)  
There are a lot of issues with you.

**[04:16:57.479] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004468)  
Joseph C. has been in jail for a year.

**[04:16:59.920] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004469)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:17:01.199] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004470)  
What is the case of Joseph C.?

**[04:17:03.199] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004471)  
Joseph C., Your Honor, is a fake Filipino, Your Honor.

**[04:17:08.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004472)  
Yes.

**[04:17:09.359] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004473)  
Maybe around 100,000 here in the Philippines.

**[04:17:12.080] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004474)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:17:14.239] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004475)  
Maybe around 100,000 here in the Philippines.

**[04:17:15.119] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004476)  
100,000.

**[04:17:15.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004477)  
If you arrest all the big businessmen, our economy will collapse.

**[04:17:21.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004478)  
Your Honor, based on intelligence information that we gathered, Joseph C. is attending the communist party meetings in China.

**[04:17:31.439] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004479)  
Well, I asked during the budget hearing last year, I asked Secretary Año kung spy si Joseph C.

**[04:17:38.080] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004480)  
Sabi niya sa akin, negosyante lang 'yan. Wala kaming information.

**[04:17:43.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004481)  
Your Honor, ang pinaglalaban din po namin...

**[04:17:46.479] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004482)  
What is your basis for saying that?

**[04:17:48.760] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004483)  
Your Honor, intelligence information from government agencies.

**[04:17:52.479] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004484)  
From?

**[04:17:52.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004485)  
From what government agency?

**[04:17:53.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004486)  
From?

**[04:17:54.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004487)  
What government agency?

**[04:17:56.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004488)  
Because I talked to Secretary Año, tinanong ko.

**[04:17:59.199] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004489)  
Kilala ko kasi, matagal na si...

**[04:18:00.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004490)  
Siguro mga 15 years ko nang kilala si Joseph C.

**[04:18:03.560] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004491)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:18:04.279] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004492)  
So kilala ko naman na negosyante.

**[04:18:07.159] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004493)  
Nagbabayad naman ng buwis dito sa Pilipinas.

**[04:18:12.960] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004494)  
The information I can relate to you after this meeting, Your Honor.

**[04:18:17.760] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004495)  
What agency?

**[04:18:19.439] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004496)  
I can relate it to you, Your Honor.

**[04:18:21.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004497)  
Alam ko lang na agency na nagtatanong diyan, Senate, eh.

**[04:18:25.159] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004498)  
Hindi po, Your Honor. Hindi po Senate.

**[04:18:28.239] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004499)  
But ang amin naman pong, Your Honor, pinaglalaban din pagdating naman po sa fake Filipinos

**[04:18:33.800] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004500)  
is 'yung sistema natin ng pag-issue ng mga documents na pinanghahawakan po natin bilang Pilipino,

**[04:18:43.000] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004501)  
like 'yung pasaporte, 'yung mga birth certificates na nababayaran na po, Your Honor.

**[04:18:48.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004502)  
Alam niyo po, I've been talking to the Filipino-Chinese Chamber of Commerce, the officers.

**[04:18:55.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004503)  
In fact, I filed a proposal to amend the immigration law.

**[04:19:00.080] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004504)  
Kasi po mahigit, baka 200,000 'yung mga illegal aliens dito,

**[04:19:07.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004505)  
pero mostly Chinese.

**[04:19:09.080] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004506)  
Pumapasok po sila dito using fake documents,

**[04:19:12.439] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004507)  
marriage certificates, birth certificates.

**[04:19:14.239] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004508)  
So nagpo-provide din 'yung mga agencies natin.

**[04:19:16.880] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004509)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:19:17.600] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004510)  
They facilitate for certain fees.

**[04:19:20.880] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004511)  
At ang gusto nila talaga, kung at least mga seven, ten years na sila dito,

**[04:19:25.479] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004512)  
wala naman silang criminal record, wala naman silang...

**[04:19:29.040] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004513)  
and they're willing to pay ten million.

**[04:19:31.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004514)  
Yes, sir.

**[04:19:32.399] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004515)  
And that will amount to billions of revenue,

**[04:19:36.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004516)  
kaysa daw po tuwing Pasko, dinadaanan sila ng mga immigration agents diyan sa Binondo

**[04:19:42.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004517)  
at hinihingan sila.

**[04:19:44.760] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004518)  
Eh mag-one-time legitimize na nila 'yung kanilang status.

**[04:19:51.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004519)  
Alam niyo, ang masama dito, may pinag-interesan 'yung property nung isang Chinese,

**[04:19:57.040] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004520)  
o, huhulihin.

**[04:19:59.119] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004521)  
'Di ba? Ganoon ang mangyayari.

**[04:20:01.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004522)  
Ganoon ang mangyayari.

**[04:20:04.159] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004523)  
Bakit hindi natin i-legitimize?

**[04:20:06.279] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004524)  
'Yung ngang ibang mga Chinese, 'yung mga taipans dito, mga tycoons,

**[04:20:11.080] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004525)  
they are more Filipino than

**[04:20:12.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004526)  
many of us

**[04:20:14.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004527)  
in terms of contributing to the national economy.

**[04:20:19.199] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004528)  
Bakit hindi natin ayusin ito?

**[04:20:20.640] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004529)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:20:21.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004530)  
Maybe Secretary Bida can...

**[04:20:23.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004531)  
Yes.

**[04:20:26.279] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004532)  
Yes.

**[04:20:27.319] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004533)  
Actually, we have a pending for the amendment of the Immigration Act.

**[04:20:32.159] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004534)  
So that their additional powers can enter here.

**[04:20:36.439] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004535)  
Additional powers to address this.

**[04:20:37.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004536)  
It also reached us that we have one...

**[04:20:42.439] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004537)  
It also reached us that we have one municipality that manufactures birth certificates, right?

**[04:20:51.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004538)  
Yes.

**[04:20:51.560] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004539)  
In Mineralo.

**[04:20:52.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004540)  
Yes.

**[04:20:52.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004541)  
These are the things that, when we see it,

**[04:20:56.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004542)  
for moving forward, I completely agree with you,

**[04:20:59.279] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004543)  
so that there won't be opportunities for enterprising so-called public servants.

**[04:21:08.399] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004544)  
Yes.

**[04:21:09.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004545)  
Because we should send a message that...

**[04:21:12.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004546)  
that there should be a cut-clear criteria for us to look at this,

**[04:21:18.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004547)  
whether you're qualified or not.

**[04:21:19.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004548)  
Then, you enter here.

**[04:21:21.119] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004549)  
When you enter, then we're able.

**[04:21:23.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004550)  
Of course, a consequential benefit would be collection of the proper fees.

**[04:21:28.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004551)  
Alam niyo, sa Caloocan, motorcycle...

**[04:21:30.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004552)  
Sa district ko po, Grace Park, Motorcycle Capital of Luzon.

**[04:21:36.279] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004553)  
At karamihan po ng mga Chinese businessman doon, 'yung mga maliliit na businessman,

**[04:21:40.840] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004554)  
nagtitinda ng motor parts.

**[04:21:42.800] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004555)  
Matagal na po sila diyan, pero talagang illegal po 'yung entry nila.

**[04:21:48.159] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004556)  
Mga fake documents.

**[04:21:51.560] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004557)  
At dahil po dito sa nangyayaring ito, marami pong umaalis, eh.

**[04:21:55.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004558)  
Umaalis na.

**[04:21:55.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004559)  
May mga asawa po 'yan na Pilipina

**[04:22:00.760] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004560)  
na minsan naiiwan na nila.

**[04:22:03.119] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004561)  
At kung aalis po lahat 'yung mga illegals doon sa lugar namin,

**[04:22:09.640] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004562)  
babagsak talaga 'yung ekonomiya ng lugar namin.

**[04:22:12.279] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004563)  
Kaya nga po siguro, kung ayos naman, may NBI clearance,

**[04:22:19.000] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004564)  
mayroong national security clearance,

**[04:22:21.760] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004565)  
wala naman pong mga kaso,

**[04:22:23.960] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004566)  
at matagal na sila dito,

**[04:22:26.119] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004567)  
eh baka puwede na nating i-legitimize 'yung kanilang stay.

**[04:22:29.880] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004568)  
Katulad din naman 'yan ng mga Pilipino sa America,

**[04:22:33.680] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004569)  
mga TNT na nale-legitimize.

**[04:22:37.439] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004570)  
At hindi naman natin gawin 'yan dito sa mga kapitbahay natin,

**[04:22:42.279] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004571)  
na Filipino-Chinese.

**[04:22:45.319] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004572)  
Maybe the DOJ can work on that.

**[04:22:47.439] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004573)  
With your permission, Your Honor,

**[04:22:49.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004574)  
we will properly come up with a roadmap on this.

**[04:22:53.439] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004575)  
Because so that it won't go back and forth.

**[04:22:55.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004576)  
Because just like what I've mentioned,

**[04:22:58.760] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004577)  
we don't want to...

**[04:22:59.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004578)  
Because we have a lot of work to do.

**[04:23:01.439] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004579)  
I want it to be over.

**[04:23:03.359] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004580)  
So that this problem will be over.

**[04:23:05.479] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004581)  
With your permission, with permission of everyone,

**[04:23:08.080] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004582)  
we will duly consult you.

**[04:23:10.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004583)  
Of course, we need your...

**[04:23:11.960] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004584)  
We need your learnings on the ground.

**[04:23:14.439] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004585)  
We need your know-how.

**[04:23:15.600] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004586)  
You need to be more aware of the movements of those...

**[04:23:18.439] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004587)  
You said it, right?

**[04:23:20.319] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004588)  
Those who have become friends.

**[04:23:21.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004589)  
We're happy with the development of our economy.

**[04:23:24.800] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004590)  
So I'll be tasking...

**[04:23:27.080] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004591)  
Yes. Thank you.

**[04:23:28.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004592)  
Together with the BI,

**[04:23:30.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004593)  
once and for all, of course,

**[04:23:32.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004594)  
we need the former commissioner,

**[04:23:34.520] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004595)  
the wisdom of the former commissioner.

**[04:23:35.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004596)  
I consulted also...

**[04:23:36.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004597)  
So that we can see.

**[04:23:39.000] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004598)  
So that it won't go back and forth.

**[04:23:41.720] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004601)  
And we can raise a lot of revenue

**[04:23:45.640] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004602)  
from these people.

**[04:23:48.840] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004603)  
Yes. Everything, Your Honor,

**[04:23:49.920] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004604)  
within the legal framework.

**[04:23:51.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004605)  
Yes, sir.

**[04:23:51.920] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004606)  
Thank you.

**[04:23:52.119] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004607)  
Thank you, Secretary.

**[04:23:53.520] Rep. Edgar R. Erice** (asr-004608)  
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

**[04:23:56.439] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-004609)  
Thank you very much. So iyon.

**[04:23:57.660] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-004610)  
Thank you, Cong. Egay Erice.

**[04:23:59.741] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-004611)  
Next in line from the majority:

**[04:24:02.503] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-004612)  
Representative Kaloy Bolilia.

**[04:24:06.385] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004613)  
Good afternoon.

**[04:24:07.486] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004614)  
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

**[04:24:08.926] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004615)  
And good afternoon,

**[04:24:11.268] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004616)  
my esteemed colleagues,

**[04:24:12.308] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004617)  
and, of course, the all other guests,

**[04:24:15.550] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004618)  
the heads of the attached agencies

**[04:24:17.892] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004619)  
of the Department of Justice.

**[04:24:20.573] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004620)  
Good afternoon, Secretary.

**[04:24:23.595] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004621)  
Following the line of questioning

**[04:24:26.137] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004622)  
of my colleague,

**[04:24:29.118] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004623)  
Kong Egay Erice.

**[04:24:30.619] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004624)  
I will continue that

**[04:24:31.500] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004625)  
in the Bureau of Immigration.

**[04:24:35.162] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004626)  
Commissioner.

**[04:24:35.982] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004627)  
Good afternoon, sir.

**[04:24:36.783] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004628)  
Good afternoon, sir.

**[04:24:39.324] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004629)  
May POGO pa ba dito sa Pilipinas?

**[04:24:42.326] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004630)  
Yung pong

**[04:24:43.327] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004631)  
malalaking grupo

**[04:24:44.367] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004632)  
ng POGO, nabaklas na

**[04:24:46.569] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004633)  
po iyon, Your Honor.

**[04:24:49.791] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004634)  
As far as we know,

**[04:24:51.652] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004635)  
wala na pong malalaking grupo. Ngayon

**[04:24:54.874] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004636)  
po, pagdating sa mga

**[04:24:56.254] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004637)  
maliliit na splinter groups,

**[04:24:58.135] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004638)  
there's a probability, Your Honor—there's

**[04:24:59.696] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004639)  
a possibility—but we

**[04:25:00.677] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004640)  
are always going after them once

**[04:25:02.918] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004641)  
we gather the intelligence information which

**[04:25:05.840] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004642)  
would warrant us to

**[04:25:07.941] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004643)  
detain them and

**[04:25:08.742] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004644)  
to deport them accordingly.

**[04:25:10.843] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004645)  
We do that, Your Honor.

**[04:25:12.344] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004646)  
Mr. Immigration Commissioner, kilala po ba ninyo si Mr. Kim Wong?

**[04:25:20.989] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004647)  
Sino po si Mr. Wong, sir?

**[04:25:23.791] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004648)  
Kasi ho pag naggo-golf ako sa Philippine Navy, pag ang kalaban ko'y mga abogadong naglilingkod din sa

**[04:25:32.576] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004649)  
bayan, sabi nila, ‘Aha, magaling ka na mag-golf dahil kaibigan mo siguro si Kim

**[04:25:38.819] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004650)  
Wong.’ Kaya nagtataka

**[04:25:39.700] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004651)  
ako. Iyan sa Navy, hindi sa ibang golf courses.

**[04:25:41.781] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004652)  
Yes, sir.

**[04:25:42.862] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004653)  
So hindi mo siya kilala, o kilala mo siya?

**[04:25:45.143] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004654)  
Mr. Wong, I know him from the business community, but we don't talk.

**[04:25:53.488] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004655)  
Nagkaroon ba ng pagkakataon na magkasama kayo?

**[04:25:57.150] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004656)  
No, Your Honor, hindi po kami magkasama.

**[04:26:00.292] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004657)  
Probably in social functions, but not official.

**[04:26:04.675] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004658)  
Mabuti naman.

**[04:26:05.255] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004659)  
Are you aware na may POGO pa ring nag-e-exist sa Barangay Multinational?

**[04:26:12.379] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004660)  
At this point, Your Honor, I am not aware, but once I get information from you, we will act on it accordingly, Your Honor.

**[04:26:24.887] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004661)  
I'm quite sure of the presence or existence of POGO in Multinational.

**[04:26:31.771] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004662)  
For whatever reason, whoever protects this, it's for you to find out because you have an intelligence fund to address my concern.

**[04:26:42.897] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004663)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:26:44.098] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004664)  
So ngayon, may decrease sa inyong budget request. Dapat matulungan iyan because we need to strengthen especially

**[04:26:56.946] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004665)  
border control. Ano po ang epekto nitong budget sa ating border control, sa ating approach sa

**[04:27:08.913] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004666)  
human trafficking issues, at, of

**[04:27:12.415] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004667)  
course, sa undesirable aliens na unti-unting pumapasok sa ating bansa?

**[04:27:14.916] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004668)  
Admittedly, Your Honor, yung decrease po ng budget namin would affect our

**[04:27:22.461] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004669)  
operations sa lahat. Ngayon po, pagdating sa ni-request ko po kanina, kung maaari pong sa aming border offices—border control offices—and then sa main office po, i-computerize po.

**[04:27:30.946] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004670)  
Malaking tulong po iyan sa aming efforts. Ngayon po, pagdating naman po

**[04:27:34.448] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004671)  
sa computerization, iyan din po ang aming habol, and automation iyan

**[04:27:39.531] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004672)  
din po ang habol namin. And

**[04:27:41.552] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004673)  
then nabanggit po kanina ni Congressman Erice yung tungkol po doon sa aming advance passenger information system. Malaking

**[04:27:49.497] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004674)  
magiging tulong po iyon, Your Honor, sa pag-expand po ng ating borders and for us to have a holistic approach,

**[04:27:57.221] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004675)  
intelligence-driven approach, pagdating ho sa border control, Your Honor.

**[04:28:01.624] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004676)  
Maraming salamat doon sa inyong magandang kasagutan.

**[04:28:05.326] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004677)  
Eh tinignan na ho ako ni Cong. Rufus Rodriguez, ibig sabihin, dahil si former Commissioner Rufus Rodriguez,

**[04:28:12.530] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004678)  
ibig sabihin huwag na raw ako magtanong, kaya that would be all.

**[04:28:16.072] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004679)  
Thank you very much, Your Honor.

**[04:28:17.473] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004680)  
Idol ho ng lahat ho iyan.

**[04:28:19.054] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004681)  
Again, maraming salamat po, Commissioner.

**[04:28:21.075] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-004682)  
Thank you rin po, Your Honor.

**[04:28:22.136] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004683)  
Next is Bucor.

**[04:28:25.218] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004684)  
Sa Bucor ho, ayan, may binubulong na si Chairman.

**[04:28:33.182] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004685)  
There was, of course, obviously, there was a funding gap para sa mga...

**[04:28:36.785] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004686)  
inmates po natin, General Catapang.

**[04:28:40.087] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004687)  
Yes, Mr. Chairman.

**[04:28:40.707] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004688)  
Tama po ba na sa 100 na subsistence allowance at 20 pesos na medicine allowance?

**[04:28:48.632] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004689)  
Ito ba ba'y sapat na para tumugon sa ating mga PDLs na sa kasalukuyan ay nasa jail facility ng National Penitentiary?

**[04:29:01.319] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004690)  
Nagsimula po yan sa 70 pesos.

**[04:29:04.081] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004691)  
Tapos last year or two years ago, ginawang 100.

**[04:29:06.802] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004692)  
Pero masasabi natin na dahil tumaas na naman po yung mga bilihin, eh baka hindi po sapat yung 100 pesos na sa isang araw na pagkain.

**[04:29:18.329] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004693)  
So, bakit po yung isang daang piso ngayon, ay yun po bang mga bidders natin doon sa Bucor,

**[04:29:28.035] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004694)  
eh nandun pa ba yung mga Chinese na kumokontrol ng bidding ng pagkain sa ating facility?

**[04:29:36.820] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004695)  
Ah, wala po kong alam na Chinese po na...

**[04:29:40.322] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004696)  
Wala na po.

**[04:29:40.922] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004697)  
Opo.

**[04:29:41.523] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004698)  
Kasi mabuti kung wala na po, kasi po iyon ang sumasabotahe sa ating

**[04:29:46.536] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004699)  
mga bidding o budget o

**[04:29:48.337] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004700)  
food requirements sa ating facility.

**[04:29:49.918] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004701)  
Director,

**[04:29:52.239] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004702)  
ano po yung congestion

**[04:29:55.401] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004703)  
rate natin sa kasalukuyan?

**[04:29:57.322] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004704)  
Sa ngayon po,

**[04:29:58.563] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004705)  
naibaba na po natin sa

**[04:30:01.004] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004706)  
204% congestion rate po.

**[04:30:02.525] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004707)  
So meaning?

**[04:30:03.966] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004708)  
Nung umupo ako, 350%; naging 204% na po.

**[04:30:07.548] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004709)  
So meaning?

**[04:30:08.169] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004710)  
Nung 350

**[04:30:09.329] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004711)  
nung umupo ako,

**[04:30:12.371] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004712)  
350%

**[04:30:13.872] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004713)  
naging 204 na po.

**[04:30:15.413] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004714)  
Meaning malaki po ang iniluwag

**[04:30:17.674] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004715)  
pero ganun pa man

**[04:30:19.615] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004716)  
nagsisikipan pa rin

**[04:30:22.357] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004717)  
po ang mga

**[04:30:23.358] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004718)  
PDL natin.

**[04:30:27.160] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004719)  
So wala na po tayong tinatawag na mga kubol

**[04:30:30.222] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004720)  
na napapanood natin

**[04:30:32.063] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004721)  
on national TV?

**[04:30:33.864] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004722)  
Wala na po kasi

**[04:30:34.824] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004723)  
ang alam ko

**[04:30:36.365] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004724)  
5,500 kubols

**[04:30:39.047] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004725)  
ang na-dismantle natin

**[04:30:40.968] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004726)  
for the last two years.

**[04:30:43.730] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004727)  
So for the record

**[04:30:45.190] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004728)  
siguro tanging kayo lamang

**[04:30:46.571] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004729)  
ang BuCor director na nakapagpaalis noon.

**[04:30:49.753] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004730)  
Opo,

**[04:30:50.313] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004731)  
malaking bagay po na

**[04:30:52.575] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004732)  
through of course nung

**[04:30:54.156] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004733)  
decisive po kasi

**[04:30:56.597] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004734)  
ang Department of Justice

**[04:30:58.218] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004735)  
na ipagiba lahat ang mga kubol

**[04:31:00.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004736)  
sinunod ko lang po ang kanilang utos.

**[04:31:03.241] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004737)  
For that I truly commend

**[04:31:04.582] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004738)  
the performance of your office

**[04:31:06.743] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004739)  
and so far as

**[04:31:07.844] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004740)  
the welfare,

**[04:31:10.766] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004741)  
yung mga

**[04:31:12.106] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004742)  
kagalingan ng ating PDLs

**[04:31:14.728] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004743)  
is concerned.

**[04:31:15.208] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004744)  
Maraming salamat po, Direktor.

**[04:31:17.129] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004745)  
Maraming salamat din po, SOJ,

**[04:31:19.291] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-004746)  
sa suporta ninyo.

**[04:31:20.691] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004747)  
Of course, siguro

**[04:31:22.873] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004748)  
hinihintay ako ni Director General

**[04:31:25.174] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004749)  
Acosta dahil kaya si

**[04:31:26.735] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004750)  
Mam,

**[04:31:28.856] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004751)  
hanggang ngayon po ay

**[04:31:30.217] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004752)  
ako'y bata pa pero

**[04:31:32.678] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004753)  
ang kagandahan nyo

**[04:31:34.940] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004754)  
hindi nagbabago.

**[04:31:37.261] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004755)  
Sir, thank you po. Gulay po

**[04:31:38.882] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004756)  
saka prutas.

**[04:31:40.063] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004757)  
Saka maging mabait po.

**[04:31:41.864] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004758)  
Ha?

**[04:31:42.564] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004759)  
Mabait.

**[04:31:45.226] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004760)  
Sa inyo po bang karanasan

**[04:31:48.188] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004761)  
bilang Director General

**[04:31:49.969] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004762)  
ng Public Attorney's Office,

**[04:31:52.430] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004763)  
ano po ba yung mga

**[04:31:54.391] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004764)  
nakikita nyo kakulangan

**[04:31:56.813] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004765)  
ng inyong tanggapan?

**[04:31:59.274] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004766)  
Lalo na sa mga

**[04:32:00.195] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004767)  
welfare ng inyong mga abugadong

**[04:32:02.116] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004768)  
naglilingkot sa bayan.

**[04:32:05.228] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004769)  
Matagal nang walang creation ng staff.

**[04:32:08.310] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004770)  
Yung lawyer po,

**[04:32:09.530] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004771)  
siya rin ang staff sa mga distrito.

**[04:32:11.631] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004772)  
Kaya nakikiusap kami na

**[04:32:13.513] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004773)  
magdagdag ng 400 staff

**[04:32:15.794] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004774)  
kahit mabababang

**[04:32:16.714] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004775)  
item lang para lang

**[04:32:17.775] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004776)  
may tao po sa opisina

**[04:32:19.056] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004777)  
pag naghe-hearing yung mga abogado.

**[04:32:21.757] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004778)  
Kaya ako po, naitanong ko kay

**[04:32:23.018] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004779)  
Mr. Good Secretary to address

**[04:32:25.360] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004780)  
the, to help the

**[04:32:26.640] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004781)  
PAO office. Kasi nga po,

**[04:32:28.942] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004782)  
doon sa distrito ko, sa Batangas,

**[04:32:31.463] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004783)  
eh talagang kawawa yung

**[04:32:32.804] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004784)  
mga PAO lawyers natin. Parang

**[04:32:34.725] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004785)  
alam mo, parang

**[04:32:36.686] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004786)  
empleyado lang nung isang

**[04:32:38.587] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004787)  
nag-

**[04:32:40.008] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004788)  
nag-online selling.

**[04:32:42.990] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004789)  
Siksikan at walang...

**[04:32:44.791] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004790)  
Kaya nga, I'm just trying to provide

**[04:32:46.732] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004791)  
an office for them

**[04:32:48.633] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004792)  
dahil kailangan talaga.

**[04:32:50.354] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004793)  
Kaya ho, naitanong ko yun. Siyempre,

**[04:32:52.736] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004794)  
baka ho,

**[04:32:53.916] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004795)  
hindi natin napapagtuunan

**[04:32:56.658] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004796)  
ng pansin. Tama po yung sinasabi

**[04:32:58.279] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004797)  
ni Director General Acosta

**[04:33:00.901] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004798)  
na there is really a need

**[04:33:02.662] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004799)  
for a funding

**[04:33:04.423] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004800)  
insertion sa kanyang

**[04:33:06.764] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004801)  
departamento.

**[04:33:10.416] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004802)  
Aha, first time ko nakarinig ng buzzer.

**[04:33:13.358] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004803)  
Sige, bigyan mo lang akong

**[04:33:14.198] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004804)  
dalawang minuto. Minsan lang naman magtanong eh.

**[04:33:16.080] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004805)  
Actually, kung dumating agad si Congressman

**[04:33:18.241] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004806)  
Tinio, hindi na ako magtatanong.

**[04:33:20.802] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004807)  
Sige ho, maraming salamat.

**[04:33:22.703] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004808)  
Basta ako ho, bilang

**[04:33:24.044] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004809)  
naniniwala sa ginagawa

**[04:33:26.366] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004810)  
ng inyong mga lawyers,

**[04:33:28.007] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004811)  
I truly believe na, Sekretary,

**[04:33:30.228] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004812)  
kailangan sa susunod na

**[04:33:32.029] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004813)  
sa mga darating panahon, bigyan nyo

**[04:33:34.010] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004814)  
ng kaukulang pansin yung welfare

**[04:33:35.671] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004815)  
ng ating mga abogado sa public

**[04:33:38.093] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004816)  
attorney's office. Maraming salamat po.

**[04:33:39.714] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004817)  
Mabuhay po kayo. Salamat din po

**[04:33:42.075] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004818)  
sa suporta ninyo sa mga distrito natin

**[04:33:43.836] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004819)  
sa Batangas. Kailangan namin po

**[04:33:46.297] PAO Chief Persida V. Rueda-Acosta** (asr-004820)  
kayo.

**[04:33:48.259] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004821)  
Basta sabi ho sa Batangas, ‘Tan-aw.’ Basta

**[04:33:50.180] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004822)  
dala ko ho ang wallet, malakas ho ang loob ko.

**[04:33:53.262] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004823)  
Thank you po.

**[04:33:54.782] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004824)  
Thank you, thank you. And again,

**[04:33:56.423] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004825)  
another Batangueña, sasamantalahin ko

**[04:33:58.385] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004826)  
na sa ating

**[04:34:00.486] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004827)  
magandang

**[04:34:01.686] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004828)  
OSG

**[04:34:03.488] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004829)  
SolGen Darlene

**[04:34:06.269] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004830)  
Berberabe. Actually,

**[04:34:08.070] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004831)  
tatanong ko sana eh.

**[04:34:10.952] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004832)  
Anyways,

**[04:34:12.933] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004833)  
tayo ba eh,

**[04:34:14.554] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004834)  
we are into

**[04:34:16.575] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004835)  
digitalization.

**[04:34:17.336] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004836)  
Tayo ba eh,

**[04:34:18.276] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004837)  
merong effective case management

**[04:34:20.358] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004838)  
system to track every

**[04:34:22.179] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004839)  
case that the OSG is handling?

**[04:34:24.360] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004840)  
Tama po. Iyon po yung

**[04:34:25.360] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004841)  
Tama po yun po yung kaninang aking naidulog

**[04:34:28.522] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004842)  
sapagkat

**[04:34:29.183] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004843)  
on one hand na kami po'y natutuwa

**[04:34:32.605] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004844)  
na i-na-approve naman

**[04:34:34.486] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004845)  
sa DBM side

**[04:34:36.247] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004846)  
yun pong pagbili

**[04:34:38.188] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004847)  
ng building ng OSG sapagkat

**[04:34:40.229] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004848)  
49 years old na po yung

**[04:34:42.190] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004849)  
OSG main building at

**[04:34:43.971] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004850)  
medyo lumilindol po kahit walang lindol

**[04:34:46.413] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004851)  
Ang natanggal po

**[04:34:48.294] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004852)  
ay yung budget po na nakalaan

**[04:34:48.794] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004853)  
sa aming IISP,

**[04:34:51.216] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004854)  
na nakaprograma po sana

**[04:34:53.757] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004855)  
yung upgrading

**[04:34:55.438] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004856)  
ng docket management.

**[04:34:58.320] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004857)  
So ang docket po ng OSG

**[04:34:59.961] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004858)  
ngayon ay 460,000 cases.

**[04:35:02.082] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004859)  
po ng OSG ngayon ay

**[04:35:03.543] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004860)  
460,000 cases.

**[04:35:07.345] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004861)  
So, kaya po

**[04:35:08.146] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004862)  
malaking bagay kung yun po

**[04:35:10.247] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004863)  
sana ang aming hirit ay

**[04:35:11.988] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004864)  
mapapagbigyan kung makakahanap

**[04:35:14.510] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004865)  
pa po ng fiscal space.

**[04:35:16.991] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004866)  
Thank you,

**[04:35:18.312] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004867)  
Darlene.

**[04:35:19.653] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004868)  
Sa totoo lang as member of the

**[04:35:21.574] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004869)  
committee on APRO, that's one

**[04:35:23.755] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004870)  
thing na I'll look into

**[04:35:25.576] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004871)  
and as member ng budget

**[04:35:27.457] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004872)  
review committee. Maraming salamat po.

**[04:35:29.799] Solicitor General Darlene Marie B. Berberabe** (asr-004873)  
Maraming salamat po. Thank you.

**[04:35:31.139] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004874)  
Isa na lang. Isa na lang.

**[04:35:33.000] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004875)  
Sa ating nagtetext na

**[04:35:34.681] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004876)  
GOCC sa Office of the

**[04:35:37.543] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004877)  
Government Corporate Counsel. There was this

**[04:35:39.644] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004878)  
meeting

**[04:35:40.925] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004879)  
between this representation and

**[04:35:43.507] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004880)  
the president of SSS

**[04:35:44.988] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004881)  
and ilang commissioners

**[04:35:47.349] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004882)  
just

**[04:35:48.329] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004883)  
a month ago.

**[04:35:49.770] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004884)  
Sila po ay namomroblema. I guess

**[04:35:51.691] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004885)  
it falls under your

**[04:35:53.773] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004886)  
office.

**[04:35:55.954] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004887)  
Siyempre mayroon sariling charter.

**[04:35:58.095] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004888)  
Eto, sekretary, maraming

**[04:36:00.217] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004889)  
pera pinakamayaman sa

**[04:36:01.837] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004890)  
GOCC ng bansang Pilipinas.

**[04:36:04.779] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004891)  
Alam mo, iyong problema na

**[04:36:06.000] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004892)  
i-brought out niya sa akin.

**[04:36:08.361] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004893)  
There is a need

**[04:36:10.302] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004894)  
to fill in,

**[04:36:12.144] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004895)  
maglagay ng mga district offices

**[04:36:13.985] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004896)  
ng SSS.

**[04:36:16.026] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004897)  
Unfortunately for them,

**[04:36:17.227] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004898)  
antagal na daw po sa

**[04:36:18.187] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004899)  
tanggapan ng, ewan ko kung sa inyo

**[04:36:20.629] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004900)  
ngayong right office na concerned,

**[04:36:22.830] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004901)  
sabi niya, boss, may pondo kami.

**[04:36:24.831] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004902)  
Available. At marami.

**[04:36:27.052] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004903)  
We need to hire

**[04:36:27.933] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004904)  
2,000 to 3,000 personnel.

**[04:36:31.275] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004905)  
Nasa inyo daw pong tanggapan.

**[04:36:32.836] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004906)  
Ano po ba ang

**[04:36:34.557] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004907)  
masasabi ninyo? Hindi ko

**[04:36:36.478] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004908)  
sinasabing nade-delay. Baka may

**[04:36:38.559] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004909)  
technicalities o may guidelines

**[04:36:40.380] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004910)  
na dapat i-comply. I'm just asking

**[04:36:42.722] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004911)  
and I just wanted to be

**[04:36:44.343] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004912)  
enlightened by your office

**[04:36:46.304] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004913)  
with regards to the query,

**[04:36:48.205] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004914)  
of a president

**[04:36:50.046] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004915)  
of GOCC.

**[04:36:51.727] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004916)  
I'm not sure if it's with us po.

**[04:36:54.769] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004917)  
So hindi po sa inyo.

**[04:36:55.949] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004918)  
But I will check po.

**[04:36:57.891] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004919)  
So pakicheck na lang po. Kaya nga sabi ko, I'm not

**[04:37:00.012] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004920)  
sure, but kaya nga

**[04:37:02.153] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004921)  
in-address ko. Para, kasi para

**[04:37:04.214] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004922)  
tayo magkatulungan. Baka

**[04:37:06.055] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004923)  
it falls under your

**[04:37:07.196] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004924)  
office. I have the

**[04:37:10.438] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004925)  
our

**[04:37:11.819] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004926)  
head for the

**[04:37:13.700] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004927)  
head for the SSS team here po.

**[04:37:16.201] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004928)  
Wala daw po sa amin.

**[04:37:18.223] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004929)  
So maigi naman, pero

**[04:37:20.284] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004930)  
sige, hanapin ko na lang. Kasi nga

**[04:37:22.065] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004931)  
I was

**[04:37:24.146] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004932)  
elected to be

**[04:37:26.928] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004933)  
the chair of civil service.

**[04:37:28.589] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004934)  
Akala niya sa akin,

**[04:37:30.290] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004935)  
sabi niya sa government

**[04:37:32.111] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004936)  
OCG yata yun. So kung hindi po

**[04:37:34.592] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004937)  
sa inyong office,

**[04:37:36.333] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004938)  
ipapacheck ko na lang po sa aking

**[04:37:37.894] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004939)  
COS. Anyways po,

**[04:37:40.876] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004940)  
marami pong salamat sa inyong

**[04:37:42.177] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004941)  
pagtugon. Panghuli na lang, Secretary,

**[04:37:44.678] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004942)  
sa aking isa pang kababayan,

**[04:37:47.360] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004943)  
sa kay director,

**[04:37:47.960] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004944)  
Matibag. I would like to

**[04:37:50.121] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004945)  
commend his performance. Simula nang maging

**[04:37:52.043] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004946)  
NBI director, hangang-hanga ako.

**[04:37:54.064] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004947)  
Mas guwapo pa sa akin.

**[04:37:56.565] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004948)  
Alam mo, pag nakikita kita

**[04:37:57.966] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004949)  
ng Director, hindi ka ba

**[04:38:00.087] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004950)  
nahirapan sa pagpa-interview? Dahil

**[04:38:02.008] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004951)  
umaga tanghali hapon, laman ka ng

**[04:38:04.050] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004952)  
television. Naiingit ako

**[04:38:06.151] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004953)  
sa iyo. Feeling ko talagang mas guwapo

**[04:38:08.012] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004954)  
ka na sa akin.

**[04:38:10.513] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-004955)  
Hindi naman po. Mas guwapo

**[04:38:12.194] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-004956)  
pa rin po kayo.

**[04:38:13.675] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004957)  
Anyways, for the record,

**[04:38:16.217] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004958)  
I would like personally to commend

**[04:38:17.978] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004959)  
The

**[04:38:18.478] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004960)  
accomplishments ng National Bureau of Investigation

**[04:38:22.260] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004961)  
under the helm of

**[04:38:23.941] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004962)  
NBI Director Matibag.

**[04:38:26.183] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004963)  
At sa inyo pong lahat ng mga offices

**[04:38:28.164] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004964)  
attached offices ng DOJ,

**[04:38:30.045] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004965)  
sa pangunguna ni Secretary.

**[04:38:32.466] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004966)  
Sekretary, napakaganda po

**[04:38:34.027] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004967)  
ng ginagawa ninyo sa bansang Pilipinas.

**[04:38:36.469] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004968)  
Magandang hapon po at maraming salamat

**[04:38:37.950] Rep. Amado Carlos A. Bolilia IV** (asr-004969)  
sa inyo lahat.

**[04:38:38.520] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004970)  
Thank you, Kong Kaloy.

**[04:38:41.455] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004971)  
Next in line from the minority,

**[04:38:44.413] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004972)  
Kong

**[04:38:44.736] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-004973)  
Antonio Tini po.

**[04:38:51.160] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004974)  
Salamat, Chair.

**[04:38:52.894] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004975)  
Chair, ang tanong ko po ay

**[04:38:54.967] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004976)  
kaugnay sa

**[04:38:55.844] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004977)  
confidential funds ng Department

**[04:38:59.193] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004978)  
of Justice. So,

**[04:39:01.426] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004979)  
lumabas na po ito sa balita, no?

**[04:39:02.921] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004980)  
Yung paglobo

**[04:39:05.433] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004981)  
ng confidential funds

**[04:39:07.067] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004982)  
ng Office of the

**[04:39:09.300] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004983)  
Secretary, in particular,

**[04:39:11.233] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004984)  
in 2025. Pero bago yun,

**[04:39:14.064] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004985)  
2024,

**[04:39:16.316] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004986)  
makikita po natin

**[04:39:17.373] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004987)  
yung datos.

**[04:39:21.061] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004988)  
2024, sa GAA,

**[04:39:22.456] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004989)  
168 million

**[04:39:24.031] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004990)  
ang approved

**[04:39:26.224] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004991)  
na confidential expenses.

**[04:39:28.735] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004992)  
But the actual, it is reported,

**[04:39:31.008] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004993)  
naging 271.6 million.

**[04:39:34.795] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004994)  
Paki-explain po,

**[04:39:35.991] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-004995)  
paano nangyari yun?

**[04:39:39.639] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004996)  
Kung yung particular po na bagay,

**[04:39:41.931] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004997)  
kasi meron po tayong

**[04:39:43.267] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004998)  
sa akin nung pagkakaunawa,

**[04:39:45.838] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-004999)  
yung COA Circular

**[04:39:47.015] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005000)  
2015, ito po ang

**[04:39:49.347] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005001)  
nagbibigay ng kalatas,

**[04:39:50.961] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005002)  
kung paano po natin pwedeng

**[04:39:52.895] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005003)  
gastusin yung confidential fund.

**[04:39:54.729] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005004)  
At sino lamang, anong mga

**[04:39:56.623] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005005)  
activities lamang ang pinapayagan.

**[04:39:59.573] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005006)  
Pangalwa, sa nasabi rin

**[04:40:01.546] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005007)  
nung circular,

**[04:40:03.061] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005008)  
nakalagay din po kung paano po ino-augment

**[04:40:05.194] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005009)  
at sinusupplement

**[04:40:06.948] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005010)  
yung confidential fund

**[04:40:08.344] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005011)  
or intelligence fund.

**[04:40:11.174] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005012)  
Ito po ay nakapaloob

**[04:40:12.570] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005013)  
dito rin sa circular na to

**[04:40:14.742] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005014)  
ng Commission on Audit po.

**[04:40:16.995] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005015)  
So, ang klaro po,

**[04:40:18.370] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005016)  
first of all,

**[04:40:19.746] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005017)  
confidential,

**[04:40:20.862] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005018)  
ito hindi intelligence fund.

**[04:40:22.178] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005019)  
Wala kayong intelligence fund.

**[04:40:23.713] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005020)  
Pang-military po yun.

**[04:40:26.085] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005021)  
So, yung sinasabi nyo ng 2024,

**[04:40:29.354] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005022)  
in-augment ang inyong confidential funds?

**[04:40:31.786] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005023)  
Kasi, ang GAA,

**[04:40:33.381] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005024)  
168M, million,

**[04:40:36.191] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005025)  
pero sa budget documents,

**[04:40:38.783] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005026)  
ang actual na confidential

**[04:40:40.337] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005027)  
expenses nyo,

**[04:40:41.314] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005028)  
271 million, lumagpas by

**[04:40:43.766] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005029)  
more than

**[04:40:44.962] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005030)  
102 million pesos.

**[04:40:50.763] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005031)  
Pase po sa pinasa po na records, nung 2023 po, meron pong SICA na tinatawag for the confidential fund na 215 million, ito po ay naging continuing, kaya tumawid po siya ng 2024, kaya bahagi po nung 2024 ay nanggaling po dun sa SICA na ipinasok po nung 2023.

**[04:41:45.471] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005032)  
Paki-explain po, ano yung SICA?

**[04:41:46.847] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005033)  
Ito po yung Congressional

**[04:41:48.900] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005034)  
Initiative,

**[04:41:50.235] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005035)  
ito po yung

**[04:41:52.807] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005036)  
pagpumasok na po, ang pagkakaalam

**[04:41:54.999] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005037)  
ko po, nagsisimula po sa

**[04:41:56.754] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005038)  
NET, di ba?

**[04:41:58.428] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005039)  
Pagkatapos, merong HGAB, no?

**[04:42:00.880] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005040)  
So, meron tayong House

**[04:42:02.734] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005041)  
General Appropriations Bill.

**[04:42:05.186] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005042)  
At bago, bago

**[04:42:06.860] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005043)  
po, bago po aproban,

**[04:42:09.192] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005044)  
ito po yung mga Congressional

**[04:42:10.548] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005045)  
Initiative na source po.

**[04:42:12.541] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005046)  
Congress introduced changes and adjustments.

**[04:42:16.747] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005047)  
Insertion, ba? Yung tinatawag na

**[04:42:18.920] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005048)  
Congressional insertion.

**[04:42:20.913] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005049)  
Okay? So, you're saying

**[04:42:22.847] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005050)  
nung 2024 may dinagdag

**[04:42:24.721] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005051)  
sa inyong

**[04:42:25.478] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005052)  
ganun ba yun?

**[04:42:32.924] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005053)  
Pagal na rin po ako sa Kongreso,

**[04:42:34.359] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005054)  
ngayon ko lang po narinig yung SICA, ano yung

**[04:42:36.033] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005055)  
ibig sabihin nun?

**[04:42:37.588] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005056)  
Congress introduced

**[04:42:40.459] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005057)  
changes and adjustments.

**[04:42:43.508] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005058)  
Ito po yung

**[04:42:44.086] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005059)  
CICA.

**[04:42:45.183] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005060)  
CICA po.

**[04:42:46.937] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005061)  
Okay, thank you.

**[04:42:48.133] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005062)  
Ito po ay base po sa

**[04:42:50.007] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005063)  
record ng aming

**[04:42:51.083] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005064)  
finance department po.

**[04:42:53.814] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005065)  
Nagkaroon po ang...

**[04:42:54.572] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005066)  
That CICA was for 2024?

**[04:42:57.861] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005067)  
For 2023.

**[04:42:59.495] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005068)  
For 2023. Tapos,

**[04:43:02.944] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005069)  
ginastos nyo for 2024.

**[04:43:04.798] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005070)  
Opo, kasi allowed po

**[04:43:06.173] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005071)  
yung budget allocation

**[04:43:07.708] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005072)  
for MOE is allowed

**[04:43:10.160] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005073)  
to be used for the two years po.

**[04:43:12.911] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005074)  
May may expiry po siya.

**[04:43:14.944] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005075)  
Okay, ngayon...

**[04:43:15.801] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005076)  
So, tumawid.

**[04:43:17.974] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005077)  
Okay.

**[04:43:19.908] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005078)  
On 2025 GAA,

**[04:43:22.918] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005079)  
yung

**[04:43:23.476] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005080)  
confidential funds ng

**[04:43:25.788] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005081)  
Secretary of Justice

**[04:43:27.562] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005082)  
naging 1.524

**[04:43:30.014] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005083)  
billion pesos.

**[04:43:31.868] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005084)  
So, 2024, 168

**[04:43:34.320] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005085)  
million.

**[04:43:35.675] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005086)  
2025, 1.5 billion.

**[04:43:37.828] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005087)  
Almost 10 times

**[04:43:39.582] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005088)  
ang nilaki sa isang

**[04:43:41.735] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005089)  
taon.

**[04:43:44.027] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005090)  
Pakipaliwanag po. Paano nangyari yun?

**[04:43:46.041] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005091)  
Tapos naman, pagdating ng

**[04:43:47.536] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005092)  
2026, 729.

**[04:43:49.808] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005093)  
So, ano ang

**[04:43:51.602] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005094)  
kapabalaghan ang nangyari

**[04:43:55.410] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005095)  
sa 2025 na lumobo

**[04:43:57.682] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005096)  
ng sampung beses ang confidential

**[04:43:59.556] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005097)  
funds ninyo?

**[04:44:03.901] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005098)  
Base po sa record,

**[04:44:05.935] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005099)  
yung 1.5 na confidential fund

**[04:44:08.426] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005100)  
ng Department of Justice

**[04:44:10.380] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005101)  
ay

**[04:44:11.197] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005102)  
may ilan component to.

**[04:44:14.367] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005103)  
Yung sa Office of the Secretary

**[04:44:16.041] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005104)  
proper, 1.184,

**[04:44:18.752] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005105)  
which is 1 billion

**[04:44:20.347] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005106)  
184 million.

**[04:44:22.360] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005107)  
Yung sa WPP po, yung sa

**[04:44:24.393] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005108)  
Witness Protection, ito po

**[04:44:26.646] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005109)  
ay 319 million.

**[04:44:29.277] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005110)  
Tapos yung sa Iyakat po

**[04:44:30.692] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005111)  
ay 15 million.

**[04:44:32.746] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005112)  
Yung sa Office of the Cybercrime

**[04:44:34.580] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005113)  
po, 475,000.

**[04:44:37.271] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005114)  
Tapos yung NCC

**[04:44:38.467] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005115)  
o SAIC po ay 5 million pesos.

**[04:44:41.198] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005116)  
Sa kabuhan, ito po ay

**[04:44:42.354] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005117)  
1.5

**[04:44:43.291] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005118)  
1.1 billion

**[04:44:46.141] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005119)  
pesos.

**[04:44:46.400] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005120)  
1,524,000,000 po.

**[04:44:49.271] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005121)  
At tama po yan.

**[04:44:51.444] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005122)  
Yan po ang nasa record ng DOJ.

**[04:44:53.576] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005123)  
At for 2026,

**[04:44:55.490] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005124)  
ito naman po ay mula po sa 1.5,

**[04:44:58.460] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005125)  
bumaba po sa 729,946,000.

**[04:45:04.460] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005126)  
At ang breakdown naman po nito ay

**[04:45:06.633] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005127)  
sa Office of the Secretary po,

**[04:45:09.005] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005128)  
214,000,000.

**[04:45:10.899] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005129)  
Yung sa Witness Protection Program po,

**[04:45:13.391] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005130)  
500,000,000.

**[04:45:15.145] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005131)  
Sa Iyakat po,

**[04:45:16.540] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005132)  
dun sa Interagency,

**[04:45:18.553] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005133)  
Interagency Council Against Trafficking,

**[04:45:22.461] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005134)  
10,000,000.

**[04:45:23.617] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005135)  
Yung Office of the Cybercrime,

**[04:45:25.211] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005136)  
475,000.

**[04:45:27.304] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005137)  
At yung NCC o SAEK o SAEM,

**[04:45:29.876] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005138)  
5,000,000 pa rin po.

**[04:45:31.650] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005139)  
Okay, salamat po sa mga breakdown.

**[04:45:33.701] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005140)  
Of course, ang pinakamalaki dun sa binanggit nyo,

**[04:45:36.190] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005141)  
yung 1.5 billion nung 2025,

**[04:45:38.918] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005142)  
1 billion nun,

**[04:45:40.750] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005143)  
ay sa Office of the Secretary.

**[04:45:42.741] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005144)  
Opo.

**[04:45:43.279] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005145)  
Okay.

**[04:45:44.394] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005146)  
So,

**[04:45:46.186] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005147)  
ano ang,

**[04:45:47.480] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005148)  
naubos ba yun?

**[04:45:48.974] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005149)  
For 2025?

**[04:45:50.547] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005150)  
Base po sa records namin,

**[04:45:52.239] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005151)  
opo,

**[04:45:52.677] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005152)  
fully obligated and liquidated po.

**[04:45:54.967] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005153)  
Of course,

**[04:45:55.565] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005154)  
sunod na tanong ko,

**[04:45:56.580] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005155)  
paano naubos ng Office of the Secretary,

**[04:45:59.766] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005156)  
1 billion in confidential funds,

**[04:46:02.156] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005157)  
1 billion,

**[04:46:03.709] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005158)  
when in previous years,

**[04:46:06.317] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005159)  
hindi ganon,

**[04:46:07.313] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005160)  
10 times less

**[04:46:08.926] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005161)  
ang inyo.

**[04:46:10.818] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005162)  
Okay, of course,

**[04:46:11.455] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005163)  
nasabihin nyo na,

**[04:46:12.032] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005164)  
confidential nga,

**[04:46:12.789] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005165)  
eh bakit mo tinatanong?

**[04:46:13.924] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005166)  
Diba, ganon?

**[04:46:14.880] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005167)  
O,

**[04:46:15.358] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005168)  
however,

**[04:46:16.054] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005169)  
kahit yung Office of the President,

**[04:46:18.504] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005170)  
may general na paliwanag,

**[04:46:20.236] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005171)  
kasi sila may 4 billion plus confidential.

**[04:46:23.283] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005172)  
Sabi ng Office of the President,

**[04:46:25.234] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005173)  
ginagamit daw for

**[04:46:26.489] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005174)  
Coast Watch,

**[04:46:28.161] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005175)  
for their drug monitoring program,

**[04:46:31.168] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005176)  
and number of others.

**[04:46:33.597] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005177)  
Tinatanong ko ngayon,

**[04:46:34.732] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005178)  
ang Department of Justice,

**[04:46:36.027] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005179)  
1 billion pisong cash yan.

**[04:46:37.839] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005180)  
Alam na natin,

**[04:46:38.535] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005181)  
ang confidential funds,

**[04:46:39.830] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005182)  
dinidisburst in cash.

**[04:46:41.244] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005183)  
We're talking about 1 billion pesos.

**[04:46:43.474] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005184)  
So, quarterly,

**[04:46:45.923] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005185)  
tiga to 250 million at least.

**[04:46:49.368] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005186)  
No?

**[04:46:50.025] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005187)  
Okay.

**[04:46:51.140] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005188)  
Saan nyo naman ginamit to?

**[04:46:53.271] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005189)  
At ano ang naging bunga?

**[04:46:56.158] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005190)  
Dito po nakapaloob lahat po nung activities po.

**[04:47:00.578] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005191)  
Of course,

**[04:47:01.096] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005192)  
nung panahon po ito,

**[04:47:02.171] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005193)  
si Ombudsman,

**[04:47:04.123] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005194)  
then Secretary Boeing,

**[04:47:05.417] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005195)  
rimulya po ang Secretary.

**[04:47:08.404] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005196)  
Pero base po sa record namin,

**[04:47:10.455] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005197)  
ito po lahat ay disversed and liquidated

**[04:47:12.605] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005198)  
pursuant to the COA circular po.

**[04:47:15.791] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005199)  
Okay.

**[04:47:18.061] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005200)  
Wala naman itong mga notice of disallowance?

**[04:47:21.924] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005201)  
Wala po.

**[04:47:22.820] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005202)  
Wala po.

**[04:47:23.657] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005203)  
Wala.

**[04:47:24.334] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005204)  
Wala po.

**[04:47:24.871] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005205)  
Okay.

**[04:47:25.250] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005206)  
Wala.

**[04:47:25.987] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005207)  
Okay.

**[04:47:26.783] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005208)  
Pero alam,

**[04:47:27.659] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005209)  
I mean,

**[04:47:28.495] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005210)  
you know,

**[04:47:29.790] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005211)  
ngayon,

**[04:47:30.746] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005212)  
ang hinihingi niyong confidential funds,

**[04:47:33.892] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005213)  
2026 is 729,

**[04:47:36.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005214)  
and for this year,

**[04:47:37.775] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005215)  
it's supposed to be 364 million.

**[04:47:42.115] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005216)  
Tama po?

**[04:47:43.828] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005217)  
Opo.

**[04:47:45.660] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005218)  
Base sa NEP 2027, 364 million.

**[04:47:48.906] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005219)  
Okay.

**[04:47:49.344] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005220)  
Teka mo na, balikan ko pala yung tanong ko.

**[04:47:51.434] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005221)  
Saan niyo pala ginamit?

**[04:47:53.904] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005222)  
For what?

**[04:47:55.337] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005223)  
Ano yung particular na gamit ng 1 billion?

**[04:47:58.503] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005224)  
Bakit lumaki ng gano'n sa particular na taon na yun?

**[04:48:03.143] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005225)  
Tapos,

**[04:48:04.497] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005226)  
2026, hindi na kailangan.

**[04:48:06.628] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005227)  
2027, mukhang lalong hindi niyo kailangan.

**[04:48:09.634] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005228)  
So, saan ginamit?

**[04:48:11.426] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005229)  
In very general terms,

**[04:48:13.019] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005230)  
hindi ako humihingi ng detalyo,

**[04:48:15.528] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005231)  
hindi ako humihingi ng detalyo,

**[04:48:16.325] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005232)  
na mag-i-expose ng inyong mga,

**[04:48:19.352] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005233)  
of course,

**[04:48:20.467] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005234)  
that will compromise law enforcement and so on.

**[04:48:25.066] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005235)  
Give us an idea.

**[04:48:26.381] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005236)  
The taxpayers deserve to hear,

**[04:48:29.168] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005237)  
isang bilyong pisong confidential funds,

**[04:48:31.697] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005238)  
inubos niyo sa isang taon,

**[04:48:34.087] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005239)  
anong pakinabang niya ng taong bayan,

**[04:48:36.058] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005240)  
kung meron man?

**[04:48:38.746] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005241)  
Marami po.

**[04:48:39.782] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005242)  
At ang pagsunod po dito,

**[04:48:42.032] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005243)  
mahal na congressman,

**[04:48:43.704] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005244)  
ay,

**[04:48:44.262] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005245)  
base pa rin po sa panuntunan ng circular po ng COA.

**[04:48:48.483] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005246)  
Ito po ay gagamitin lamang sa confidential activities,

**[04:48:52.764] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005247)  
of course,

**[04:48:53.262] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005248)  
yung pag-gather po ng informasyon.

**[04:48:56.787] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005249)  
Ito po yung mga bagay,

**[04:48:58.141] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005250)  
kasi ang sa pagkakabatid ko po,

**[04:49:00.132] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005251)  
ito po ang pagkakaiba nung confidential funds sa regular funding.

**[04:49:03.915] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005252)  
May exemption siya doon sa procurement activities.

**[04:49:08.674] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005253)  
At meron din siyang peculiar na pamamaraan ng pagliliquidate.

**[04:49:13.254] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005254)  
Na ito po ang lahat,

**[04:49:13.931] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005255)  
lahat ay sinunod po ng Department of Justice,

**[04:49:16.301] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005256)  
Your Honor.

**[04:49:17.356] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005257)  
Natumbok mo.

**[04:49:18.392] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005258)  
Buti po sinabi ni Secretary,

**[04:49:20.283] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005259)  
yun talaga ang totoo dyan.

**[04:49:22.334] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005260)  
Exempted from normal procurement rules.

**[04:49:27.193] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005261)  
So,

**[04:49:28.268] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005262)  
kaya ngayon ang concern natin dito,

**[04:49:30.180] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005263)  
Madam Chair,

**[04:49:32.350] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005264)  
Madam Chair?

**[04:49:33.326] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005265)  
Mr. Chair pala,

**[04:49:34.640] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005266)  
and I will wind up.

**[04:49:35.715] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005267)  
O, Madam Chair is here.

**[04:49:37.229] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005268)  
Okay.

**[04:49:38.164] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005269)  
Na,

**[04:49:38.981] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005270)  
unfortunately,

**[04:49:39.937] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005271)  
the pattern of

**[04:49:41.271] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005272)  
bloating

**[04:49:42.326] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005273)  
um,

**[04:49:43.800] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005274)  
um,

**[04:49:44.795] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005275)  
confidential and confidential funds as well as intelligence funds uh,

**[04:49:50.152] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005276)  
to unreasonable proportion sa kaso po ng DOJ nung twenty twenty five naging naging almost fifteen percent of the total agency budget no nang OSEC ay confidential okay sa kaso ng office of the president.

**[04:50:09.925] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005277)  
Okay.

**[04:50:11.916] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005278)  
Sa kaso ng office of the president.

**[04:50:13.111] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005279)  
Sa kaso ng office of the president.

**[04:50:14.106] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005280)  
Almost fifty percent

**[04:50:15.898] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005281)  
of the budget of the office of the president

**[04:50:18.865] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005282)  
confidential and intelligence funds.

**[04:50:21.593] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005283)  
Exempted.

**[04:50:22.250] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005284)  
Sabi nyo nga,

**[04:50:22.907] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005285)  
tama yun.

**[04:50:23.983] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005286)  
Sabi nyo,

**[04:50:24.441] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005287)  
exempted sa procurement.

**[04:50:26.512] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005288)  
Wala nang,

**[04:50:27.228] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005289)  
wala nang mga,

**[04:50:28.642] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005290)  
you know,

**[04:50:28.921] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005291)  
the safeguards and that.

**[04:50:30.255] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005292)  
Kaya napakadali pong

**[04:50:31.490] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005293)  
maabuso.

**[04:50:33.600] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005294)  
Kaya,

**[04:50:34.098] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005295)  
ma,

**[04:50:34.337] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005296)  
ma,

**[04:50:35.173] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005297)  
to the chairs,

**[04:50:36.786] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005298)  
ah,

**[04:50:37.165] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005299)  
yan po ang panawagan natin.

**[04:50:39.275] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005300)  
Let's bring,

**[04:50:40.550] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005301)  
nagsimula po ang ganitong

**[04:50:42.103] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005302)  
sobrang paglulog.

**[04:50:42.979] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005303)  
Paglulog po ng

**[04:50:43.397] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005304)  
confidential intelligence funds

**[04:50:44.811] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005305)  
sa ilalim ng

**[04:50:45.966] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005306)  
Duterte

**[04:50:46.523] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005307)  
presidency.

**[04:50:48.535] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005308)  
Unfortunately,

**[04:50:49.869] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005309)  
pinagpatuloy

**[04:50:50.625] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005310)  
at pinalala pa

**[04:50:51.601] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005311)  
ng Marcos Jr.

**[04:50:54.030] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005312)  
administration

**[04:50:54.707] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005313)  
katulad nang sa kaso

**[04:50:56.500] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005314)  
ng DOJ.

**[04:50:58.331] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005315)  
Tama po ba?

**[04:50:58.889] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005316)  
Walang kapangtay tong

**[04:50:59.964] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005317)  
1.5 billion

**[04:51:01.896] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005318)  
na confidential funds nyo

**[04:51:04.006] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005319)  
in 2025.

**[04:51:05.420] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005320)  
That is a

**[04:51:05.958] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005321)  
historic high.

**[04:51:06.953] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005322)  
Correct?

**[04:51:08.069] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005323)  
Base po sa records,

**[04:51:09.323] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005324)  
Sir Honor.

**[04:51:09.841] DOJ Secretary Fredderick A. Vida** (asr-005325)  
Correct.

**[04:51:10.578] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005326)  
Times 10.

**[04:51:11.912] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005327)  
So,

**[04:51:12.210] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005328)  
malala na po ito,

**[04:51:14.779] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005329)  
Mr. Chair.

**[04:51:15.436] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005330)  
Let's bring back,

**[04:51:16.611] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005331)  
you know,

**[04:51:17.129] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005332)  
rationality

**[04:51:18.045] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005333)  
to the budgeting

**[04:51:20.016] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005334)  
of agencies.

**[04:51:21.310] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005335)  
Hindi pwedeng

**[04:51:21.868] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005336)  
dahil sabihin mo

**[04:51:23.302] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005337)  
national security

**[04:51:24.377] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005338)  
or,

**[04:51:25.631] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005339)  
you know,

**[04:51:26.049] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005340)  
law enforcement

**[04:51:26.886] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005341)  
and so on,

**[04:51:27.782] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005342)  
confidential

**[04:51:28.339] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005343)  
intelligence.

**[04:51:30.430] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005344)  
Pwede,

**[04:51:31.286] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005345)  
I would,

**[04:51:32.441] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005346)  
kung may procurement

**[04:51:33.317] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005347)  
na kailangan,

**[04:51:34.194] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005348)  
hindi naman pong

**[04:51:34.791] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005349)  
dumaan to sa,

**[04:51:35.946] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005350)  
you know,

**[04:51:36.882] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005351)  
you can classify

**[04:51:38.076] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005352)  
what needs to be

**[04:51:39.630] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005353)  
classified,

**[04:51:40.207] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005354)  
pero hindi pwede

**[04:51:41.143] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005355)  
yung parang

**[04:51:41.720] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005356)  
blanket exemptions

**[04:51:43.333] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005357)  
on massive amounts.

**[04:51:46.101] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005358)  
Dati medyo,

**[04:51:47.057] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005359)  
sabihin mo na,

**[04:51:47.833] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005360)  
maliit pa,

**[04:51:48.371] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005361)  
reasonable pa yung

**[04:51:49.188] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005362)  
confidential.

**[04:51:50.064] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005363)  
Ngayon po,

**[04:51:50.960] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005364)  
sobrang laki.

**[04:51:52.214] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005365)  
15% of their budget

**[04:51:53.747] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005366)  
to 50%

**[04:51:54.982] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005367)  
of the President's budget.

**[04:51:57.073] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005368)  
This Congress

**[04:51:57.690] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005369)  
might put a stop

**[04:51:59.283] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005370)  
to this abuse.

**[04:52:00.518] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005371)  
Yun po ang

**[04:52:00.876] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005372)  
posisyon natin.

**[04:52:01.971] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005373)  
Thank you.

**[04:52:03.046] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005374)  
Wala na pong oras.

**[04:52:03.823] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005375)  
Maraming salamat po.

**[04:52:05.120] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005376)  
Thank you,

**[04:52:05.844] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005377)  
Rep. Tinio.

**[04:52:06.684] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005378)  
Maraming salamat po,

**[04:52:07.804] Rep. Antonio L. Tinio** (asr-005379)  
Your Honor.

**[04:52:08.761] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005380)  
Thank you po.

**[04:52:10.442] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005381)  
The concern is noted

**[04:52:12.123] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005382)  
and the

**[04:52:13.010] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005383)  
Chair is here

**[04:52:13.617] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005384)  
to discuss

**[04:52:15.764] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005385)  
with everyone

**[04:52:17.305] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005386)  
in the committee

**[04:52:18.589] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005387)  
kung ano po

**[04:52:19.663] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005388)  
yung pwedeng magawa po

**[04:52:20.783] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005389)  
dito sa kantitong concern.

**[04:52:23.234] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005390)  
For the

**[04:52:24.541] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005391)  
second round,

**[04:52:27.768] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005392)  
from the minority,

**[04:52:28.841] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005393)  
we would like to

**[04:52:29.934] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005394)  
call on

**[04:52:31.997] Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing** (asr-005395)  
Representative Allan Ty.

**[04:52:36.917] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005396)  
Thank you again,

**[04:52:38.051] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005397)  
Mr. Chairman.

**[04:52:39.557] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005398)  
To Commissioner Viado.

**[04:52:42.012] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005399)  
Tapto nung po,

**[04:52:42.610] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005400)  
Your Honor.

**[04:52:43.353] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005401)  
Good afternoon.

**[04:52:45.663] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005402)  
Let me be

**[04:52:46.921] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005403)  
project specific,

**[04:52:49.087] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005404)  
Commissioner.

**[04:52:49.355] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005405)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:52:50.469] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005406)  
Under the

**[04:52:50.902] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005407)  
General Appropriation Act

**[04:52:52.635] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005408)  
of Fiscal Year 2024,

**[04:52:55.647] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005409)  
there's a program

**[04:52:56.410] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005410)  
enhancement of

**[04:52:57.730] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005411)  
border management

**[04:52:58.720] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005412)  
information system.

**[04:53:01.278] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005413)  
How much was allocated?

**[04:53:06.394] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005414)  
I believe that's

**[04:53:07.384] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005415)  
1.9 billion,

**[04:53:10.272] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005416)  
Your Honor.

**[04:53:11.716] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005417)  
Based on my record,

**[04:53:12.974] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005418)  
Commissioner,

**[04:53:13.779] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005419)  
the amount is

**[04:53:14.707] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005420)  
2.6 billion.

**[04:53:16.687] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005421)  
Can you please refer to

**[04:53:17.966] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005422)  
GAA 2024?

**[04:53:21.555] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005423)  
If I may refer to this.

**[04:53:24.154] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005424)  
Your Honor,

**[04:53:41.616] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005425)  
yung sa E-Gates po,

**[04:53:43.761] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005426)  
that's 1.9 billion.

**[04:53:46.216] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005427)  
Yung 700 million po

**[04:53:48.279] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005428)  
pertains to

**[04:53:49.516] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005429)  
information,

**[04:53:51.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005430)  
computerization and technology

**[04:53:53.023] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005431)  
project na related din po

**[04:53:56.262] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005432)  
sa E-Gates,

**[04:53:56.942] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005433)  
Your Honor.

**[04:53:57.891] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005434)  
So it is under one

**[04:53:59.232] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005435)  
program,

**[04:54:00.697] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005436)  
am I correct?

**[04:54:05.503] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005437)  
It pertains to one program,

**[04:54:07.153] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005438)  
Your Honor.

**[04:54:07.896] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005439)  
Thank you.

**[04:54:08.680] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005440)  
How about for

**[04:54:09.711] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005441)  
GAA 2025?

**[04:54:11.836] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005442)  
How much was allocated?

**[04:54:13.135] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005443)  
Under the same program?

**[04:54:15.012] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005444)  
For 2025,

**[04:54:37.270] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005445)  
Your Honor,

**[04:54:38.322] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005446)  
it's 2.1 billion,

**[04:54:40.405] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005447)  
Your Honor.

**[04:54:41.210] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005448)  
Can you please again

**[04:54:41.993] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005449)  
refer to the GAA?

**[04:54:43.871] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005450)  
It's the amount

**[04:54:44.943] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005451)  
reflected

**[04:54:45.830] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005452)  
is 3.825 billion.

**[04:54:54.875] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005453)  
Your Honor,

**[04:54:55.494] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005454)  
that includes

**[04:54:56.402] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005455)  
the E-Gates

**[04:54:57.186] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005456)  
phase 2

**[04:54:57.970] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005457)  
of 1.3,

**[04:54:59.290] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005458)  
Your Honor.

**[04:55:00.548] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005459)  
Correct.

**[04:55:00.878] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005460)  
So the total amount

**[04:55:01.703] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005461)  
is 3.8,

**[04:55:02.735] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005462)  
am I correct,

**[04:55:04.096] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005463)  
Mr. Commissioner?

**[04:55:04.962] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005464)  
That's correct,

**[04:55:05.561] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005465)  
Your Honor,

**[04:55:05.767] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005466)  
3.8.

**[04:55:06.345] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005467)  
So we are talking

**[04:55:06.943] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005468)  
about one program,

**[04:55:08.263] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005469)  
all right?

**[04:55:09.150] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005470)  
Based on the GAA,

**[04:55:10.037] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005471)  
that's how it is presented.

**[04:55:13.049] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005472)  
How about for

**[04:55:13.832] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005473)  
2026?

**[04:55:15.153] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005474)  
How much is allocated?

**[04:55:24.404] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005475)  
For 2026,

**[04:55:25.766] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005476)  
it's 697,542,000,

**[04:55:29.293] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005477)  
Your Honor.

**[04:55:29.932] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005478)  
Thank you.

**[04:55:31.479] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005479)  
So in 2024,

**[04:55:33.336] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005480)  
how much was obligated?

**[04:55:35.811] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005481)  
How much?

**[04:55:37.688] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005482)  
In 2024,

**[04:55:47.126] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005483)  
Your Honor,

**[04:55:47.662] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005484)  
almost 98%

**[04:55:48.714] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005485)  
was obligated.

**[04:55:49.580] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005486)  
How much was released

**[04:55:50.550] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005487)  
out of the 2.6 billion?

**[04:55:58.688] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005488)  
2024.

**[04:55:59.636] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005489)  
For 2024?

**[04:56:15.984] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005490)  
Let me check the figures

**[04:56:17.366] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005491)  
first, Your Honor.

**[04:56:18.356] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005492)  
I may ask you

**[04:56:50.288] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005493)  
and then I'll...

**[04:56:50.680] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005494)  
Sorry, Your Honor,

**[04:56:53.289] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005495)  
for taking up your time.

**[04:56:54.238] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005496)  
If we may be allowed

**[04:56:55.125] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005497)  
to give the figures

**[04:56:57.745] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005498)  
later, Your Honor,

**[04:56:59.024] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005499)  
for 2024, Your Honor.

**[04:57:02.366] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005500)  
What do you mean later,

**[04:57:03.624] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005501)  
Commissioner?

**[04:57:04.531] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005502)  
We still have to go

**[04:57:05.418] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005503)  
through our records.

**[04:57:07.646] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005504)  
My apologies

**[04:57:08.368] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005505)  
for making you wait,

**[04:57:09.503] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005506)  
Your Honor.

**[04:57:09.957] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005507)  
Oh, no, it's all right.

**[04:57:11.009] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005508)  
So I can ask

**[04:57:11.813] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005509)  
other questions?

**[04:57:13.113] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005510)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:57:13.731] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005511)  
All right.

**[04:57:14.330] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005512)  
So how about

**[04:57:14.825] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005513)  
for 2026?

**[04:57:18.146] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005514)  
For 2026?

**[04:57:27.923] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005515)  
Obligated.

**[04:57:28.707] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005516)  
Yeah, obligated.

**[04:57:29.821] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005517)  
Ay, for 2026,

**[04:57:33.194] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005518)  
walang kusay.

**[04:57:33.813] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005519)  
Kuna kusay obligated.

**[04:57:39.506] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005520)  
For 2026, Your Honor,

**[04:57:41.280] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005521)  
we have not...

**[04:57:43.755] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005522)  
It has not been

**[04:57:44.952] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005523)  
obligated, Your Honor.

**[04:57:46.169] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005524)  
Zero pa po.

**[04:57:47.200] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005525)  
Capital outlay.

**[04:57:47.922] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005526)  
Capital outlay, Your Honor.

**[04:57:50.088] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005527)  
All right.

**[04:57:50.500] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005528)  
So do you already

**[04:57:51.181] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005529)  
have a figure

**[04:57:51.800] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005530)  
for 2025?

**[04:57:54.296] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005531)  
For 2025,

**[04:58:02.372] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005532)  
no obligation po

**[04:58:03.609] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005533)  
also, Your Honor.

**[04:58:07.106] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005534)  
Can you refer

**[04:58:07.725] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005535)  
to your proposed

**[04:58:08.900] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005536)  
expenditure program

**[04:58:09.973] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005537)  
for fiscal year 2027?

**[04:58:12.077] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005538)  
In 2025,

**[04:58:13.294] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005539)  
appropriation

**[04:58:13.934] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005540)  
is not required.

**[04:58:14.264] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005541)  
You have an

**[04:58:16.430] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005542)  
unobligated

**[04:58:17.420] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005543)  
allotment of

**[04:58:18.245] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005544)  
4.071.

**[04:58:20.246] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005545)  
Can you confirm?

**[04:58:22.927] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005546)  
We confirm, Your Honor.

**[04:58:24.227] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005547)  
And this pertains

**[04:58:25.403] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005548)  
to this,

**[04:58:26.125] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005549)  
the program

**[04:58:26.620] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005550)  
that I just mentioned,

**[04:58:28.043] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005551)  
enhancement

**[04:58:28.765] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005552)  
of border

**[04:58:30.291] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005553)  
management

**[04:58:31.013] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005554)  
information system?

**[04:58:32.581] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005555)  
Yes, it pertains

**[04:58:33.901] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005556)  
to that, Your Honor.

**[04:58:35.366] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005557)  
Also, in

**[04:58:36.129] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005558)  
2026,

**[04:58:38.811] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005559)  
you have an

**[04:58:39.553] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005560)  
unobligated

**[04:58:40.461] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005561)  
appropriation

**[04:58:41.513] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005562)  
sa

**[04:58:42.111] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005563)  
, under

**[04:58:45.205] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005564)  
unobligated

**[04:58:46.319] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005565)  
allotment of

**[04:58:47.124] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005566)  
3.558

**[04:58:48.609] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005567)  
billion.

**[04:58:49.764] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005568)  
Am I correct?

**[04:58:51.373] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005569)  
Yes, we confirm that,

**[04:58:52.487] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005570)  
Your Honor.

**[04:58:53.498] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005571)  
May I ask,

**[04:58:54.178] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005572)  
what's the reason

**[04:58:54.777] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005573)  
behind the

**[04:58:56.303] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005574)  
unobligated allotment

**[04:58:57.561] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005575)  
for this particular

**[04:58:58.655] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005576)  
program?

**[04:59:03.131] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005577)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[04:59:04.616] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005578)  
Bulk of it

**[04:59:05.256] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005579)  
sa EGIDS po,

**[04:59:06.143] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005580)  
Your Honor.

**[04:59:07.855] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005581)  
The bulk of it

**[04:59:08.535] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005582)  
pertains to the

**[04:59:09.237] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005583)  
EGIDS project,

**[04:59:10.062] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005584)  
Your Honor.

**[04:59:10.165] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005585)  
But what are the

**[04:59:11.217] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005586)  
reasons why it's

**[04:59:12.207] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005587)  
still unobligated?

**[04:59:13.053] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005588)  
To this date?

**[04:59:14.559] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005589)  
Your Honor,

**[04:59:15.363] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005590)  
as I've stated po,

**[04:59:16.766] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005591)  
no latter part of

**[04:59:17.591] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005592)  
2024,

**[04:59:19.200] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005593)  
nag-declare po kami

**[04:59:20.355] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005594)  
ng failure of bidding.

**[04:59:22.005] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005595)  
So, kami po ay,

**[04:59:23.635] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005596)  
nagkaroon po nung

**[04:59:24.543] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005597)  
we went through

**[04:59:25.182] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005598)  
a rebidding process.

**[04:59:28.235] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005599)  
Nung 2025 na lang po

**[04:59:29.596] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005600)  
na yan natapos.

**[04:59:32.175] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005601)  
So,

**[04:59:33.351] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005602)  
yan po ay

**[04:59:33.887] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005603)  
several months,

**[04:59:34.774] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005604)  
admittedly,

**[04:59:35.599] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005605)  
Your Honor,

**[04:59:35.929] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005606)  
na-delay because of

**[04:59:36.878] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005607)  
that issue.

**[04:59:39.195] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005608)  
Ayan po ang,

**[04:59:39.920] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005609)  
but,

**[04:59:40.274] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005610)  
as I've stated,

**[04:59:41.406] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005611)  
we commit to

**[04:59:42.060] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005612)  
make a full obligation

**[04:59:42.980] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005613)  
by November

**[04:59:44.324] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005614)  
of this year po.

**[04:59:45.297] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005615)  
Tatapusin na po namin yan,

**[04:59:46.199] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005616)  
Your Honor.

**[04:59:46.871] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005617)  
As a matter of fact,

**[04:59:47.667] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005618)  
we have been

**[04:59:48.163] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005619)  
conducting meetings

**[04:59:49.171] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005620)  
every week po

**[04:59:50.586] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005621)  
para ho makapagbigay lang po

**[04:59:52.001] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005622)  
ng report sa akin

**[04:59:52.779] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005623)  
sa Bureau po

**[04:59:54.406] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005624)  
yung mga

**[04:59:54.919] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005625)  
nanunungkulan

**[04:59:55.821] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005626)  
para ho matapos na namin

**[04:59:56.741] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005627)  
yung obligasyon namin,

**[04:59:57.502] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005628)  
Your Honor.

**[04:59:57.988] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005629)  
Is this program different from what Congressman Erice mentioned a while ago?

**[05:00:04.373] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005630)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[05:00:05.063] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005631)  
The E-Gates project is different from the Enhanced Border Control System

**[05:00:09.856] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005632)  
that is being proposed under the Public-Private Partnership arrangement.

**[05:00:16.224] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005633)  
May we request everyone to please settle down?

**[05:00:21.680] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005634)  
So can you make the distinction, Commissioner?

**[05:00:23.803] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005635)  
Your Honor, with the E-Gates project,

**[05:00:26.120] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005636)  
we aim to integrate that with the CAIS project.

**[05:00:31.745] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005637)  
The CAIS project is a more holistic approach

**[05:00:34.398] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005638)  
because it does not only pertain to the E-Gates,

**[05:00:37.051] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005639)  
but also to our integration with the systems of Interpol,

**[05:00:41.137] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005640)  
as well as the Advanced Passenger Information System,

**[05:00:44.002] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005641)  
and biometrics.

**[05:00:46.142] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005642)  
We also can log in to a billion facial images.

**[05:00:52.634] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005645)  
And we also have, under the CAIS program,

**[05:00:55.976] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005646)  
the reactive screening based on facial contortions

**[05:01:02.910] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005647)  
or in reaction to certain forms of questioning.

**[05:01:06.430] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005648)  
And we can also access open source intelligence.

**[05:01:09.808] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005649)  
Not only can we access the 194 countries that are members of Interpol,

**[05:01:13.876] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005650)  
their databases,

**[05:01:14.584] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005651)  
we can access that.

**[05:01:16.600] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005652)  
But also, we can access,

**[05:01:19.165] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005653)  
we can access any information from open sources,

**[05:01:22.189] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005654)  
meaning over the internet.

**[05:01:24.206] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005655)  
Facebook, that can be accessed, Your Honor.

**[05:01:26.841] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005656)  
So this is under the PPP program?

**[05:01:28.840] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005657)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[05:01:29.583] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005658)  
Thank you, Commissioner Viado.

**[05:01:31.917] BI Commissioner Joel Anthony M. Viado** (asr-005659)  
Thank you, Your Honor.

**[05:01:32.766] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005660)  
Let me go to LRA Administrator.

**[05:01:36.649] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005661)  
Mr. Administrator,

**[05:01:39.355] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005662)  
in your proposed 2027 budget,

**[05:01:42.380] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005663)  
proposed budget,

**[05:01:43.600] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005664)  
how much is under special account?

**[05:01:46.678] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005665)  
What budget?

**[05:01:51.436] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005666)  
Your Honor, it's $1.8 billion.

**[05:02:03.329] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005667)  
$1.780 billion?

**[05:02:05.328] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005668)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[05:02:06.468] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005669)  
What is the source of your special account in the general fund, Mr. Administrator?

**[05:02:09.946] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005670)  
Your Honor, the special account is Fund 151.

**[05:02:14.543] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005671)  
It is a special account provided by PD 1529,

**[05:02:20.060] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005672)  
where, from our collections, we are allowed to retain 20% of our earnings, Paul.

**[05:02:26.836] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005673)  
Your Honor.

**[05:02:28.116] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005674)  
Please settle down.

**[05:02:32.503] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005675)  
Quiet, please.

**[05:02:36.141] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005676)  
Where does the 80% of the collection go?

**[05:02:38.700] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005677)  
How about the balance of 80%?

**[05:02:40.819] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005678)  
Where does it go?

**[05:02:41.518] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005679)  
Your Honor, the 80% goes directly to the National Treasury,

**[05:02:45.656] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005680)  
and we retain 20% subject to the approval of the DBM on the releases of the 20%.

**[05:02:52.392] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005681)  
So the 20% in the amount of 1.7,

**[05:02:57.830] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005682)  
can we use that amount?

**[05:03:00.308] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005683)  
To pay for titling of free patents issued by the DENR?

**[05:03:06.185] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005684)  
Your Honor, the 1.7 billion is 15% only out of the 20% it represents.

**[05:03:18.978] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005685)  
Your Honor, we believe that it can be used for it.

**[05:03:52.240] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005686)  
The coverage of the special account refers to MOOE accounts and capital outlay.

**[05:03:58.436] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005687)  
Because, Administrator, there are thousands of unclaimed free patents before the Registry of Deeds all over the Philippines.

**[05:04:06.672] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005688)  
So, probably, can you account for the free patents, unclaimed free patents, in all the Registry of Deeds all over the Philippines?

**[05:04:15.707] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005689)  
Yes, Your Honor, you are correct.

**[05:04:17.106] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005690)  
We have made that observation in our visits to the different Registers of Deeds.

**[05:04:21.724] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005691)  
We have observed several, if not thousands, of unregistered patents previously.

**[05:04:27.860] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005692)  
This was covered by an agreement with the DENR, which paid for the registration of the patents.

**[05:04:38.615] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005693)  
Subsequently, they removed that funding.

**[05:04:42.612] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005694)  
So, perhaps with the approval of the DBM, we can utilize it in registering some of these, or all the remaining patents issued.

**[05:04:54.966] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005695)  
To be taken from the special account?

**[05:04:57.844] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005696)  
Yes, Your Honor, if we can maximize the utilization to 20%.

**[05:05:02.581] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005697)  
Thank you.

**[05:05:03.661] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005698)  
So, on the other matter, Mr. Administrator, what is the legal responsibility of the

**[05:05:09.678] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005699)  
Registry of Deeds and the LRA for the safekeeping maintenance of Certificate of Titles?

**[05:05:15.714] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005700)  
Please, quiet down.

**[05:05:16.614] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005701)  
Your Honour, under PD 1529, the function of the main function of the Registers of Deeds is the main repository of all the

**[05:05:32.725] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005702)  
titles and supporting documents.

**[05:05:34.844] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005703)  
So it's a registry of deeds?

**[05:05:36.523] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005704)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[05:05:37.502] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005705)  
Is the registry of deeds required to prepare an inventory of titles which have been lost,

**[05:05:44.958] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005706)  
destroyed, or rendered unusable by deterioration?

**[05:05:48.436] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005707)  
Your Honor, under PD 1529, the RDs are obliged to conduct an inventory annually.

**[05:05:56.372] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005708)  
I would suppose that would also include all titles, whether it has been lost or damaged in their custody.

**[05:06:05.227] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005709)  
In case of lost administrator of title, who has the legal responsibility for judicial reconstitution?

**[05:06:14.322] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005710)  
Your Honor, unfortunately, when the title is lost, the RD copy is lost.

**[05:06:19.420] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005711)  
Under RA 26, as amended by RA 6732,

**[05:06:25.176] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005712)  
the responsibility is given to the owner of the title.

**[05:06:30.633] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005713)  
The responsibility was taken away from the RD.

**[05:06:34.871] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005714)  
Previously, the RD was allowed to initiate reconstitution cases,

**[05:06:39.828] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005715)  
but because of the passage of the law and because of a Supreme Court decision involving the RD of Malabon or Mandaluyong,

**[05:06:48.164] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005716)  
the Supreme Court said that the RDs cannot undertake the filing.

**[05:06:55.160] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005717)  
Under the reconstitution case.

**[05:06:57.679] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005718)  
Sir Administrator, is there no exception to the rule under RA 6732?

**[05:07:03.695] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005719)  
Under RA 26, as amended by RA 6732,

**[05:07:09.772] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005720)  
administrative reconstitution can be undertaken by the LRA

**[05:07:14.330] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005721)  
if the Administrator has evaluated that at least 10% of the titles in the RD has been lost,

**[05:07:25.144] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005722)  
But in no case should it be less than 500 titles.

**[05:07:30.601] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005723)  
As you mentioned earlier, Mr. Administrator, you said the Registry of Deeds are required or mandated to have an inventory of lost titles.

**[05:07:41.355] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005724)  
So based on the submission, did the Registry of Deeds make the submission?

**[05:07:47.392] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005725)  
They are required to conduct an inventory which should also include all lost titles.

**[05:07:51.030] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005726)  
Some of the RDs have complied with the provisions of the law, and we are closely monitoring also the other RDs, Your Honor.

**[05:08:00.245] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005727)  
Let's say in case the administrative threshold is not met, what can your office do to assist those lost titles, individual lost titles,

**[05:08:18.295] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005728)  
considering that the loss?

**[05:08:21.013] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005729)  
Loss was in the Registry of Deeds, am I not correct?

**[05:08:26.390] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005730)  
Your Honor, it is quite unfortunate that the burden is given to the registered owner in undertaking the registration or reconstitution of lost titles.

**[05:08:37.964] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005731)  
And on our part, what we can do is only provide them with the assistance of providing some of the necessary documents that they will need

**[05:08:47.179] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005732)  
in filing the appropriate constitution case with the courts, Your Honor.

**[05:08:50.997] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005733)  
Let's go to Friar Lands.

**[05:08:52.996] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005734)  
In case of loss of Friar Lands or has been lost or destroyed, and the DNR issued subsequent deed of conveyance,

**[05:09:03.990] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005735)  
what will happen to the registration of the deed of conveyance before the Registry of Deeds?

**[05:09:10.986] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005736)  
Thank you, Your Honor, for bringing it up.

**[05:09:12.985] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005737)  
We have several Friar Lands across the country.

**[05:09:16.983] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005738)  
We have the OCDC.

**[05:09:20.961] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005742)  
We have the OCDC, which is supposedly in the custody of the Registers of Deeds.

**[05:09:25.958] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005743)  
And the owner's copy is supposedly with the LMB.

**[05:09:29.956] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005744)  
It is unfortunate that some of the RDs have been destroyed or damaged, which included the titles also.

**[05:09:41.949] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005745)  
And it is also unfortunate that LMB has also been burned.

**[05:09:47.946] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005746)  
Their head office in Binondo was burned.

**[05:09:50.425] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005747)  
So they have also lost some of the owner's copies of these titles.

**[05:09:55.422] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005748)  
But I would like to inform Your Honor that we are currently talking to the LMB,

**[05:10:03.417] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005749)  
since they have lifted the moratorium on the issuance of deeds of conveyance,

**[05:10:08.415] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005750)  
to explore administrative remedies so that we can also help the awardees or claimants of these Friar Lands.

**[05:10:18.409] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005751)  
What administrative remedies?

**[05:10:19.409] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005752)  
What administrative remedies you are referring to on the part of the DNR?

**[05:10:23.407] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005753)  
We will still be discussing with the LMB, Your Honor.

**[05:10:26.405] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005754)  
In fact, we were supposed to have a meeting last week, but because of the weather, it did not permit it.

**[05:10:33.401] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005755)  
But we will be meeting with them soon.

**[05:10:35.400] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005756)  
Perhaps, Your Honor, also with your help, you can also talk to the LMB to meet with us soon on this matter.

**[05:10:46.360] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005757)  
I think the DNR is scheduled.

**[05:10:52.240] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005758)  
We will have a budget hearing on Wednesday.

**[05:10:56.160] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005759)  
Maybe, Administrator, if you can commit to us that you can be present here on Wednesday in the afternoon.

**[05:11:02.878] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-005760)  
I will come, Your Honor.

**[05:11:04.638] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005761)  
Thank you, Mr. Administrator.

**[05:11:15.000] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005762)  
Okay, I will have my third round.

**[05:11:18.440] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005763)  
I defer to Kong Reni.

**[05:11:22.240] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-005764)  
Thank you, Your Honor.

**[05:11:23.280] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-005765)  
Thank you, Kong Alan.

**[05:11:24.440] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-005766)  
Next in line from the minority again, Rep. Renee Co.

**[05:11:30.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005767)  
Thank you very much, Chair.

**[05:11:31.680] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005768)  
And thank you again for DOJ for continuing to be here.

**[05:11:35.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005769)  
My next questions would be in relation to the supposed closure or nearing closure of the New Bilibid Prison.

**[05:11:45.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005770)  
So it's been on the news that the Bureau of Corrections transferred 15,730 inmates ahead of the closure.

**[05:11:53.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005771)  
Puwede pong matanong, since this is a huge endeavor,

**[05:11:58.558] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005772)  
Logistically, ano pong budgetary provisions?

**[05:12:03.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005773)  
Paano po napondohan ng DOJ 'yung pagpapalipat po ng mga inmates, mass transfer operation, transportation, security, etc. po?

**[05:12:17.280] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005774)  
With the permission of the Secretary, Mr. Chair, the transfer of the PDLs, ginagawa po 'yan yearly.

**[05:12:26.360] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005775)  
And it's with the support of the budget of Bucor using its MOE.

**[05:12:34.480] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005776)  
So pag nag-transfer po ng isang PDL, it costs us about 15,000 to 20,000.

**[05:12:43.240] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005777)  
And that's the way we are slowly transferring ng mga PDL.

**[05:12:52.920] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005778)  
And of course, alam niyo naman po sa New Bilibid Prison,

**[05:12:56.160] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005779)  
na 300% congested siya nung dumating ako diyan,

**[05:13:03.160] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005780)  
and now we have reduced it to almost 200% congestion na lang po.

**[05:13:09.520] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005781)  
Puwede po bang ma-confirm, Mr. Chair, na may mga PDLs na mata-transfer to, aside from itong penal colony in Zamboanga?

**[05:13:23.160] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005782)  
Meron daw pong reports na lilipat din po sa Sablayan, Mindoro;

**[05:13:25.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005783)  
Iwahig, Palawan; San Ramon, Zamboanga del Sur;

**[05:13:32.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005784)  
Abuyog, Leyte; at saka po sa Davao del Norte.

**[05:13:35.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005785)  
Tama po ba?

**[05:13:35.600] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005786)  
So malilipat din galing New Bilibid papunta dito sa ibang mga penal colonies?

**[05:13:40.240] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005787)  
Yes po.

**[05:13:42.200] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005788)  
Mr. Chair, puwede po bang makakuha ng full list?

**[05:13:45.280] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005789)  
Yes. We will submit to you the number of PDLs transferred for each operating prison and penal farm

**[05:13:52.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005790)  
outside the

**[05:13:54.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005791)  
NBP.

**[05:13:55.958] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005792)  
Okay.

**[05:13:57.160] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005793)  
'Yung concern ko po, Mr. Chair, ay, well, ang DOJ, ang BuCor, nagsabi that they are observant of the Mandela Rules,

**[05:14:05.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005794)  
the Nelson Mandela Rules, ahead of any legislation, any parang law that would really mandate 'yung pag-observe noon.

**[05:14:13.798] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005795)  
But Rule 59 says that prisoners should be assigned to prisons close to their homes or their places of social rehabilitation.

**[05:14:21.718] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005796)  
So ang concern ko po, 'yung mga lilipat,

**[05:14:24.080] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005797)  
baka po malayo doon sa kanilang mga pamilya, lalo na kung galing Luzon,

**[05:14:27.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005798)  
tapos ililipat po sa Davao del Norte or sa Zamboanga del Sur, malalayo.

**[05:14:31.638] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005799)  
Meron po bang way para i-ensure na hindi naman ganito—hindi malalayo sa pamilya,

**[05:14:37.958] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005800)  
from legal counsel or even support networks kung saan po sila matatagpuan?

**[05:14:42.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005801)  
Based on our records,

**[05:14:43.920] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005802)  
na records po, yung mga

**[05:14:45.798] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005803)  
binibisita sa Muntinlupa,

**[05:14:48.240] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005804)  
hindi po namin nililipat.

**[05:14:50.600] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005805)  
Pero yung karamihan

**[05:14:51.440] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005806)  
po noon, 20,000

**[05:14:54.000] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005807)  
pa po nandoon sa NBP,

**[05:14:55.760] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005808)  
wala pong bisita.

**[05:14:57.798] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005809)  
Kaya gusto rin po nilang malipat

**[05:14:59.958] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005810)  
dahil alam nila, mas

**[05:15:02.120] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005811)  
maaliwalas, mas secured,

**[05:15:03.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005812)  
mas

**[05:15:04.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005813)  
presko ang malilipatan nila

**[05:15:07.878] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005814)  
kesa dito po sila nandito sa

**[05:15:09.760] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005815)  
NBP na nagsisiksikan.

**[05:15:12.120] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005816)  
At nasertify naman po ba

**[05:15:13.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005817)  
Mr. Chair, na yung mga

**[05:15:15.878] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005818)  
lilipatang penal colonies nila,

**[05:15:18.200] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005819)  
adequate habitable infrastructure,

**[05:15:20.638] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005820)  
yung nariyan, medical services,

**[05:15:23.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005821)  
may staff, bago po

**[05:15:23.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005822)  
makareceive ng

**[05:15:25.240] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005823)  
influx ng thousands of inmates

**[05:15:28.000] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005824)  
din po kung tuloy

**[05:15:29.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005825)  
yung pagtatransfer per year.

**[05:15:32.520] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005826)  
Opo, Mr. Chair,

**[05:15:34.080] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005827)  
tinatanong po namin 'yung magiging

**[05:15:35.400] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005828)  
recipient na mga kolonya

**[05:15:38.000] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005829)  
kung kaya nilang iabsorb.

**[05:15:40.080] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005830)  
At sila naman po ang

**[05:15:41.360] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005831)  
nagsasabi sa amin na

**[05:15:42.600] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005832)  
puwede pa silang mag-absorb.

**[05:15:45.240] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005833)  
Kaya't hindi naman po

**[05:15:47.718] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005834)  
nahihirapan yung mga

**[05:15:49.080] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005835)  
tumatanggap na bagong

**[05:15:51.400] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005836)  
mga prison and penal farms

**[05:15:53.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005837)  
outside Metro Manila.

**[05:15:55.878] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005838)  
May kailangan po bang additional items

**[05:15:57.638] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005839)  
or additional budget

**[05:15:59.240] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005840)  
para po kung anong absorption

**[05:16:01.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005841)  
yung kailangan ay hindi po

**[05:16:03.240] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005842)  
makompromise yung pagbigay po

**[05:16:05.558] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005843)  
ng mga servisyo ng mga

**[05:16:07.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005844)  
penal colonies sa mga inmates?

**[05:16:09.878] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005845)  
Nandito po ba yun sa proposal?

**[05:16:10.798] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005846)  
ng Bucor?

**[05:16:13.120] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005847)  
Maganda pong tanong yan kasi

**[05:16:14.760] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005848)  
kaya ang importante yung support

**[05:16:16.718] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005849)  
services. Kaya natutuwa

**[05:16:19.320] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005850)  
naman po kami pag lumipat kami

**[05:16:21.280] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005851)  
sa nilipat namin yung mga PDL

**[05:16:23.920] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005852)  
nagbibigay po

**[05:16:25.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005853)  
ng mga sasakyan

**[05:16:27.120] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005854)  
para just in case na

**[05:16:29.400] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005855)  
mangailangan ng

**[05:16:30.878] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005856)  
malaking hospital na

**[05:16:32.480] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005857)  
pag-checkup nila, naitatransport

**[05:16:35.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005858)  
naman po sila. Kaya't

**[05:16:36.440] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005859)  
sinisigurado po namin na

**[05:16:41.400] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005860)  
hindi sila mahihirapan

**[05:16:43.320] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005861)  
sa

**[05:16:43.680] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005862)  
bagong lugar na lilipatan

**[05:16:46.958] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005863)  
nila. At

**[05:16:49.638] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005864)  
nakatutok lang po kami

**[05:16:51.520] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005865)  
sa mga bagong

**[05:16:52.760] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005866)  
facilities na

**[05:16:54.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005867)  
habang

**[05:16:56.160] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005868)  
nakoconstruct. Kasi nagsimula

**[05:16:58.920] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005869)  
po tayo ng 2022

**[05:17:01.000] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005870)  
na construction hanggang

**[05:17:02.718] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005871)  
ongoing ngayon.

**[05:17:04.920] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005872)  
We expect by

**[05:17:06.638] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005873)  
2028 additional

**[05:17:08.878] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005874)  
11,000 plus.

**[05:17:10.920] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005875)  
na PDL

**[05:17:12.798] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005876)  
dormitories na

**[05:17:14.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005877)  
ma-absorb. Kaya tuloy-tuloy po

**[05:17:16.958] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005878)  
at hindi naman po sila

**[05:17:18.240] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005879)  
nahihirapan.

**[05:17:22.200] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005880)  
Pero tama po ba na

**[05:17:24.638] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005881)  
so meron pa rin pong mga

**[05:17:26.558] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005882)  
inmates or PDLs na

**[05:17:28.240] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005883)  
magsistay sa New Bilibid Prison?

**[05:17:31.160] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005884)  
Or completely po bang

**[05:17:32.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005885)  
pinapaalis na po lahat because of

**[05:17:34.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005886)  
kung anumang plans doon sa land?

**[05:17:37.040] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005887)  
Ang time frame po natin

**[05:17:38.160] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005888)  
kung talaga nating kakayanin

**[05:17:40.080] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005889)  
is by 2028.

**[05:17:42.480] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005890)  
Masasara na po

**[05:17:44.558] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005891)  
yung

**[05:17:44.920] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005892)  
BuCor, pero hindi natin

**[05:17:48.638] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005893)  
pipwersahin.

**[05:17:51.600] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005894)  
Kung wala naman silang

**[05:17:52.718] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005895)  
malilipatan,

**[05:17:54.320] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005896)  
ay mananatili po.

**[05:17:56.400] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005897)  
Pero siguro,

**[05:17:57.878] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005898)  
ang first na masasara natin

**[05:18:00.480] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005899)  
kasi may property po tayo

**[05:18:02.040] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005900)  
doon sa may bukana ng

**[05:18:04.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005901)  
Daanghari.

**[05:18:06.760] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005902)  
Prime lot po yun.

**[05:18:08.360] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005903)  
Ang medium

**[05:18:10.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005904)  
security compound na po yun.

**[05:18:11.760] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005905)  
Yung mga nakakulong po doon

**[05:18:16.878] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005906)  
more or less 5,000

**[05:18:18.480] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005907)  
pwede nating maisara yun

**[05:18:19.958] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005908)  
and maiwan muna yung

**[05:18:22.480] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005909)  
minimum at saka maximum

**[05:18:27.120] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005910)  
na compounds

**[05:18:28.798] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005911)  
na nandito po sa looban

**[05:18:30.520] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005912)  
ng Bucor.

**[05:18:32.680] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005913)  
If we can free up about

**[05:18:33.840] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005914)  
200 hectares

**[05:18:36.798] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005915)  
na pwede nang ipalis

**[05:18:37.718] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005916)  
malaking bagay po yun

**[05:18:41.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005917)  
kasi makakatulong po yun.

**[05:18:42.280] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005918)  
Sa pagpapagawa

**[05:18:44.600] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005919)  
ng kulungan at pagpapalipat

**[05:18:46.360] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005920)  
ng mga PDL. Hindi po namin

**[05:18:48.160] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005921)  
pipwersahin ang issue.

**[05:18:50.920] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005922)  
Importante po yung

**[05:18:52.080] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005923)  
kalagayan at kaayusan

**[05:18:54.600] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005924)  
ng ating mga PDL.

**[05:18:56.600] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005925)  
Aware po ba yung Bucor, Mr. Chair,

**[05:18:58.480] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005926)  
na meron po kasing petisyon

**[05:19:00.718] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005927)  
na pinirmahan ng

**[05:19:02.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005928)  
mga 45 PDLs

**[05:19:04.558] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005929)  
na ang hiling nila

**[05:19:07.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005930)  
ay

**[05:19:08.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005931)  
yung retention ng kanilang

**[05:19:10.200] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005932)  
detention sa NBP at hindi po

**[05:19:12.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005933)  
na maitransfer sa

**[05:19:14.200] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005934)  
ibang penal colony.

**[05:19:16.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005935)  
Ito po ay filed through Human Rights Organization

**[05:19:18.558] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005936)  
kapatid. So aware po ba ang

**[05:19:20.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005937)  
Bucor dito?

**[05:19:20.920] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005938)  
Aware po kami at sasagutin po namin

**[05:19:24.440] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005939)  
na talagang siguro kung

**[05:19:26.680] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005940)  
sila na po ang huli

**[05:19:28.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005941)  
sa mga PDL na ililipat

**[05:19:31.040] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005942)  
kasi nga po meron na kaming

**[05:19:32.600] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005943)  
nakuhang lilipatan

**[05:19:35.400] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005944)  
north of Metro Manila

**[05:19:36.638] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005945)  
sa Nueva Ecija.

**[05:19:38.360] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005946)  
Nabigyan po kami ni Governor

**[05:19:40.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005947)  
Umali na 60 hectares.

**[05:19:42.520] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005948)  
Na pwede namin ilipat doon

**[05:19:44.360] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005949)  
yung mga ibang PDL

**[05:19:45.878] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005950)  
na

**[05:19:47.480] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005951)  
taga-Luzon. And then

**[05:19:49.878] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005952)  
nine-negotiate po namin dito

**[05:19:52.240] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005953)  
sa Siniluan, Laguna

**[05:19:53.200] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005954)  
about 500 hectares

**[05:19:56.240] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005955)  
na makakuha rin kami

**[05:19:58.400] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005956)  
para those who are

**[05:20:00.320] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005957)  
from south of Luzon,

**[05:20:01.718] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005958)  
Metro Manila, doon naman po

**[05:20:03.958] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-005959)  
mailagay.

**[05:20:06.080] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005960)  
Maraming salamat po sa pagsagot.

**[05:20:08.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005961)  
Yung pagtatanong po natin,

**[05:20:10.040] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005962)  
ginagawa natin to ensure na, syempre,

**[05:20:11.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005963)  
in observance of the rule of law

**[05:20:14.600] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005964)  
and the processes involved therein,

**[05:20:17.160] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005965)  
at some point, may tension,

**[05:20:18.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005966)  
may conflict yan doon

**[05:20:20.360] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005967)  
sa paano ino-observe 'yung human rights

**[05:20:22.558] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005968)  
ng mga tao.

**[05:20:24.280] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005969)  
So, ini-ensure lang natin, to the greatest

**[05:20:25.760] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005970)  
extent, the widest latitude possible,

**[05:20:28.558] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005971)  
ay nirerespeto po 'yung mga karapatan na 'to.

**[05:20:30.638] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005972)  
Including, of course,

**[05:20:32.440] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005973)  
yung may preference sila

**[05:20:33.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005974)  
sa Mandela Rules, ay nae-exercise,

**[05:20:36.240] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005975)  
nare-respeto po 'yun. And among din 'yun po 'yung

**[05:20:38.320] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005976)  
sa mga tanong natin kanina.

**[05:20:40.400] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005977)  
Maraming salamat po sa pagsagot.

**[05:20:41.878] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005978)  
sa pagsagot ng DOJ at ng BuCor.

**[05:20:43.840] Rep. Renee Louise M. Co** (asr-005979)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[05:20:46.520] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-005980)  
Thank you, Rep. Renee Co. Next in line

**[05:20:49.185] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-005981)  
from the minority:

**[05:20:51.489] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-005982)  
Representative Sarah Elago.

**[05:20:57.369] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005983)  
Maraming salamat, Mr. Chair.

**[05:20:59.132] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005984)  
One of the recommendations of the

**[05:21:01.275] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005985)  
Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination

**[05:21:03.359] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005986)  
Against Women, in

**[05:21:05.603] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005987)  
its concluding observations

**[05:21:07.646] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005988)  
in the

**[05:21:09.349] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005989)  
Ninth Periodic Report of the Philippines

**[05:21:11.653] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005990)  
in 2023, is to

**[05:21:13.456] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005991)  
ensure that all in

**[05:21:15.179] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005992)  
law

**[05:21:17.463] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005993)  
enforcement have training on gender-sensitive

**[05:21:20.008] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005994)  
investigation and interrogation.

**[05:21:21.750] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005995)  
May

**[05:21:22.772] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005996)  
we know

**[05:21:25.797] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005997)  
if the NBI

**[05:21:27.861] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005998)  
has a particular line item for

**[05:21:29.965] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-005999)  
this? Meron po ba

**[05:21:32.128] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006000)  
kayong mga training sa

**[05:21:33.130] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006001)  
pagtitiyak na hindi

**[05:21:36.095] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006002)  
lang

**[05:21:36.696] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006003)  
po ang ating Division

**[05:21:39.842] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006004)  
on Violence Against Women

**[05:21:41.805] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006005)  
and Their Children, pero lahat

**[05:21:43.708] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006006)  
po ng mga

**[05:21:45.231] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006007)  
nagsasagawa ng

**[05:21:47.515] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006008)  
interviews, investigation,

**[05:21:50.780] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006009)  
yung

**[05:21:52.644] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006010)  
course ng interrogation,

**[05:21:53.565] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006011)  
ay mayroong

**[05:21:55.388] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006012)  
gender-sensitive training

**[05:21:57.913] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006013)  
or gender-sensitivity training?

**[05:22:00.657] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006014)  
Thank you,

**[05:22:01.839] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006015)  
Mr. Chair.

**[05:22:03.602] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006016)  
Those programs, we included in our program

**[05:22:05.706] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006017)  
in GAD so that we can utilize

**[05:22:07.790] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006018)  
the allocation for

**[05:22:09.633] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006019)  
that purpose. In

**[05:22:11.356] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006020)  
addition to that, we have a budget for the academy,

**[05:22:13.800] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006021)  
and those

**[05:22:15.182] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006022)  
who will be entering the academy will

**[05:22:17.566] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006023)  
undergo that training as well. And

**[05:22:19.289] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006024)  
there are a lot of international

**[05:22:20.511] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006025)  
trainings that we are sending our

**[05:22:23.436] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006026)  
agents to in

**[05:22:25.280] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006027)  
relation to this

**[05:22:26.442] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006028)  
issue.

**[05:22:29.567] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006029)  
Mr. Chair, para lang ba ito doon sa mga

**[05:22:31.470] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006030)  
nasa national office? Paano po yung

**[05:22:33.674] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006031)  
mga nasa regions natin?

**[05:22:35.497] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006032)  
Paano yung pondo nila para diyan?

**[05:22:37.601] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006033)  
Sa GAD din po kinukuha?

**[05:22:39.324] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006034)  
Kasama po lahat. That applies to

**[05:22:41.688] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006035)  
all the members of

**[05:22:43.210] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006036)  
the National Bureau of

**[05:22:45.675] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006037)  
Investigation, particularly yung mga

**[05:22:47.618] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006038)  
agents po natin.

**[05:22:49.201] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006039)  
Mr. Chair, meron din bang binibigay, halimbawa,

**[05:22:52.426] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006040)  
mga critical

**[05:22:53.107] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006041)  
incident stress debriefing

**[05:22:55.672] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006042)  
para po doon sa ating mga

**[05:22:57.595] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006043)  
personnel

**[05:22:59.378] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006044)  
doon sa ating VAWCD? Kasi po

**[05:23:01.963] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006045)  
napakahalaga niyan.

**[05:23:03.445] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006046)  
Sila po usually, bagama't

**[05:23:05.288] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006047)  
iyon ang

**[05:23:07.532] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006048)  
nangyayari, yung mga nakakakuha ng mga

**[05:23:09.415] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006049)  
reports—halimbawa, sa

**[05:23:11.259] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006050)  
CICC, meron silang hotline, nagre-refer

**[05:23:13.863] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006051)  
din sila sa NBI for

**[05:23:15.265] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006052)  
investigation—pero may mga kababayan

**[05:23:17.409] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006053)  
din po tayo na dumidiretso na sa

**[05:23:19.573] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006054)  
NBI. So yung mga

**[05:23:21.757] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006055)  
first responders po ba natin sa ating

**[05:23:23.800] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006056)  
bureau, nakakakuha

**[05:23:25.503] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006057)  
ng ganoong tipo ng mga

**[05:23:27.526] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006058)  
debriefing sa panahon na sila po ay

**[05:23:29.570] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006059)  
humaharap sa ganitong mga tipo ng kaso?

**[05:23:31.373] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006060)  
Yes, ma'am. We have the AHTRAD,

**[05:23:33.397] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006061)  
the Anti-Human Trafficking Division,

**[05:23:35.340] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006062)  
and also the VAWCD.

**[05:23:37.584] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006063)  
Then we have the

**[05:23:39.207] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006064)  
Behavioral Science Unit also that's

**[05:23:40.990] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006065)  
doing that training

**[05:23:42.713] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006066)  
and the

**[05:23:44.135] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006067)  
correspondence. Tuloy-tuloy po iyon.

**[05:23:47.461] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006068)  
And with

**[05:23:48.803] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006069)  
the help also of the social workers,

**[05:23:51.067] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006070)  
iyon pong aming mga nagiging

**[05:23:53.271] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006071)  
na-encounter na cases, we

**[05:23:55.815] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006072)  
are always in coordination with

**[05:23:57.278] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006073)  
the social workers po, depending

**[05:23:59.121] NBI Director Melvin Matibag** (asr-006074)  
kung saang area po iyon, ma'am.

**[05:24:01.705] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006075)  
Maraming salamat, Mr. Chair.

**[05:24:03.108] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006076)  
Manghihingi na lang po tayo ng pinakahuling

**[05:24:05.392] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006077)  
ulat ng mga kaso

**[05:24:07.435] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006078)  
na nakuha ng

**[05:24:08.797] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006079)  
NBI VAWCD, lalong-lalo

**[05:24:11.542] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006080)  
na po yung may kinalaman, Mr. Chair, sa

**[05:24:13.385] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006081)  
technology-facilitated gender-based violence

**[05:24:15.289] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006082)  
at iba't

**[05:24:17.512] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006083)  
ibang cybercrimes

**[05:24:19.576] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006084)  
na may kinalaman po sa

**[05:24:21.139] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006085)  
karapatan, hindi lang po ng mga kababaihan

**[05:24:23.803] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006086)  
at ng mga bata, kundi po

**[05:24:25.626] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006087)  
kung paano ginagamit yung teknolohiya

**[05:24:27.670] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006088)  
para sa

**[05:24:29.733] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006089)  
iba't ibang tipo ng

**[05:24:32.578] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006090)  
krimen. Ngayon naman, Mr.

**[05:24:34.141] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006091)  
Chair, sa BuCor po, pahabol ko lang

**[05:24:37.487] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006092)  
po. Would it

**[05:24:38.008] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006093)  
be possible to direct

**[05:24:39.630] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006094)  
the Internal Audit Service

**[05:24:42.014] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006095)  
to investigate

**[05:24:43.557] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006096)  
not just the cashless system in CIW

**[05:24:46.021] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006097)  
but in all

**[05:24:47.404] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006098)  
other prison and penal

**[05:24:49.567] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006099)  
farms under the BuCor?

**[05:24:52.152] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006100)  
Mr. Chair, we are

**[05:24:53.494] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006101)  
already doing it. Pinapa-inventory

**[05:24:55.978] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006102)  
ko lahat ng mga

**[05:24:57.802] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006103)  
PDL funds

**[05:24:59.404] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006104)  
sa lahat ng mga

**[05:25:00.747] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006105)  
kolonya. As a matter

**[05:25:03.672] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006106)  
of fact, iyon nga po, meron

**[05:25:07.097] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006107)  
po kaming kinumpiska

**[05:25:07.839] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006108)  
na two million pesos

**[05:25:09.922] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006109)  
na hawak-hawak ng

**[05:25:12.407] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006110)  
mga PDL, and

**[05:25:13.488] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006111)  
just

**[05:25:14.310] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006112)  
to make sure na ito ay

**[05:25:17.455] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006113)  
magagamit nila

**[05:25:20.020] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006114)  
para hindi na po mawala.

**[05:25:23.906] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006115)  
Mr. Chair, maisasama na ba nila iyan

**[05:25:25.569] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006116)  
sa isusumite nilang report sa atin

**[05:25:27.452] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006117)  
bago ang plenaryo, o mangailangan pa po

**[05:25:29.476] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006118)  
ng mas mahabang panahon?

**[05:25:31.079] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006119)  
We will do it next week.

**[05:25:33.423] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006120)  
Isa-submit po namin, Mr. Chair.

**[05:25:36.348] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006121)  
Okay. Bukod po diyan,

**[05:25:37.630] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006122)  
Mr. Chair, hingin na rin po

**[05:25:39.413] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006123)  
natin kung meron na

**[05:25:42.037] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006124)  
tayong uniform po ba

**[05:25:43.680] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006125)  
or harmonized na governing policy

**[05:25:45.904] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006126)  
pagdating po sa mga

**[05:25:47.447] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006127)  
cashless systems natin sa

**[05:25:49.570] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006128)  
loob po ng ating mga

**[05:25:51.594] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006129)  
prison and penal farms.

**[05:25:54.178] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006130)  
Madam Chair.

**[05:25:55.561] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006131)  
Mr. Chair, meron na po kaming

**[05:25:57.204] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006132)  
policy guidelines and

**[05:25:59.608] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006133)  
procedures on operations and management

**[05:26:01.771] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006134)  
of BuCor's Inmate Post Exchange

**[05:26:04.095] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006135)  
through cashless transaction.

**[05:26:06.319] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006136)  
Na-submit na po namin ito sa

**[05:26:07.621] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006137)  
UP Law Center,

**[05:26:09.084] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006138)  
and it's now effective,

**[05:26:11.809] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006139)  
para sa ganoon

**[05:26:13.892] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006140)  
may prosesong gagawin na

**[05:26:15.675] BuCor Director General Gregorio Pio P. Catapang Jr.** (asr-006141)  
susundan.

**[05:26:16.276] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006142)  
Okay. Maraming salamat

**[05:26:17.498] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006143)  
po. At sana mabigyan din po

**[05:26:18.440] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006144)  
ang ating Committee on Appropriations

**[05:26:19.722] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006145)  
ng copy niyan. Iyon lamang

**[05:26:22.327] Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago** (asr-006146)  
sa ngayon, Mr. Chair. Maraming salamat.

**[05:26:24.280] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006147)  
Thank you, Representative

**[05:26:26.763] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006148)  
Sarah Elago.

**[05:26:28.501] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006149)  
Next in line

**[05:26:30.984] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006150)  
again. Before that, may we acknowledge the presence

**[05:26:37.188] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006151)  
of [unclear],

**[05:26:38.926] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006152)  
and briefly our [unclear],

**[05:26:42.153] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006153)  
Speaker Bojie

**[05:26:43.892] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006154)  
Dy. For

**[05:26:45.630] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006155)  
the third round,

**[05:26:48.113] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006156)  
kay Representative

**[05:26:49.852] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006157)  
Allan Ty.

**[05:26:51.590] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006158)  
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

**[05:26:53.681] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006159)  
To the

**[05:26:54.851] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006160)  
LRA Administrator:

**[05:26:56.022] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006161)  
if the original Friar Land

**[05:26:58.573] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006162)  
title was already subdivided

**[05:27:00.664] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006163)  
and approved before the original

**[05:27:03.215] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006164)  
title was lost,

**[05:27:04.845] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006165)  
can the approved subdivision plan

**[05:27:07.396] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006166)  
and technical descriptions

**[05:27:09.027] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006167)  
be used as evidence for

**[05:27:11.578] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006168)  
reconstitution and issuance

**[05:27:13.209] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006169)  
of resulting titles or

**[05:27:15.300] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006170)  
derivative titles?

**[05:27:16.480] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006171)  
Your Honor, under

**[05:27:18.252] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006172)  
R.A. 26,

**[05:27:19.516] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006173)  
as amended by

**[05:27:21.288] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006174)  
R.A. 6732, mayroon

**[05:27:23.059] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006175)  
pong listing ng mga documents

**[05:27:25.845] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006176)  
that can be used

**[05:27:28.124] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006177)  
to support iyong ating

**[05:27:30.403] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006178)  
reconstitution. Wala pong

**[05:27:32.175] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006179)  
naka-mention doon na subdivision

**[05:27:34.454] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006180)  
plan po.

**[05:27:35.718] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006181)  
So kailangan po ba talaga yung original

**[05:27:41.439] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006182)  
title?

**[05:27:42.480] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006183)  
Opo. Mayroon pong hierarchy. Kapag

**[05:27:45.018] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006184)  
administrative reconstitution, dapat

**[05:27:46.640] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006185)  
na nandoon po yung

**[05:27:48.720] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006186)  
owner's duplicate copy.

**[05:27:50.343] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006187)  
Kung wala naman po,

**[05:27:52.423] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006188)  
mayroon pong copy,

**[05:27:54.046] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006189)  
photocopy ng nasa

**[05:27:55.669] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006190)  
mortgagee. Kapag naisanla, iyon

**[05:27:57.749] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006191)  
pong copy ng

**[05:27:59.371] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006192)  
mortgagee puwede pong gamitin as

**[05:28:01.909] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006193)  
proof of reconstitution.

**[05:28:03.532] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006194)  
There are, I think, five

**[05:28:06.069] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006195)  
copies po

**[05:28:07.234] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006196)  
that are permitted under

**[05:28:09.315] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006197)  
the law na puwedeng

**[05:28:11.395] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006198)  
supporting document po sa ating reconstitution.

**[05:28:14.390] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006199)  
How about for Friar Lands

**[05:28:15.927] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006200)  
na wala pang na-issue na derivative

**[05:28:17.722] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006201)  
titles?

**[05:28:18.240] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006202)  
Yung pong OCT po

**[05:28:20.955] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006203)  
ang kailangang

**[05:28:22.438] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006204)  
ma-reconstitute po.

**[05:28:23.920] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006205)  
How about where there are already

**[05:28:27.074] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006206)  
derivative portions of the

**[05:28:29.260] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006207)  
Friar Lands—a derivative title

**[05:28:31.447] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006208)  
has been issued already—and

**[05:28:33.633] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006209)  
subsequently the DENR

**[05:28:35.335] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006210)  
issued a deed of conveyance?

**[05:28:38.005] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006211)  
Can the

**[05:28:39.223] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006212)  
derivative titles that

**[05:28:40.925] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006213)  
have been issued be used as

**[05:28:44.079] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006214)  
a basis for issuance

**[05:28:46.266] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006215)  
of title to

**[05:28:47.968] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006216)  
portions of the

**[05:28:49.670] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006217)  
original Friar

**[05:28:50.888] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006218)  
Land? Puwede po ba iyon?

**[05:28:53.558] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006219)  
We will explore po the possibility

**[05:28:56.335] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006220)  
of making use of the

**[05:28:58.690] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006221)  
derivative titles that

**[05:29:00.203] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006222)  
have been issued already, coming from

**[05:29:02.980] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006223)  
the OCT po, kung

**[05:29:04.914] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006224)  
magagawa po ng

**[05:29:06.428] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006225)  
administrative remedy.

**[05:29:07.520] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006226)  
Under what particular

**[05:29:08.932] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006227)  
law are you referring to?

**[05:29:11.120] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006228)  
We will check po, because the

**[05:29:13.829] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006229)  
only existing law when it comes

**[05:29:16.539] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006230)  
to reconstitution is

**[05:29:18.019] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006231)  
R.A. 26, as amended

**[05:29:19.908] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006232)  
by R.A. 6732 po.

**[05:29:21.798] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006233)  
So my question now, Mr.

**[05:29:23.976] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006234)  
Administrator, is: why should

**[05:29:25.768] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006235)  
the loss or deterioration

**[05:29:27.561] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006236)  
of the original Friar Land

**[05:29:29.738] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006237)  
title prevent the issuance of titles

**[05:29:32.302] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006238)  
to subsequent owners when

**[05:29:34.094] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006239)  
their respective rights are supported

**[05:29:36.272] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006240)  
by a valid

**[05:29:37.679] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006241)  
deed of conveyance and approved

**[05:29:39.857] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006242)  
subdivision documents?

**[05:29:40.878] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006243)  
Opo. The law po

**[05:29:43.125] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006244)  
kasi, especially P.D. 1529, requires that the owner's duplicate copy must be surrendered

**[05:29:49.863] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006245)  
po. So that is the problem right now. What should have happened was, when they subdivided the Friar Lands, it should have been totally cancelled already—wala na hong naiiwan—and

**[05:30:04.588] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006246)  
the remaining lots that have not yet been awarded should have been issued titles in the name of the Republic para mas

**[05:30:15.819] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006247)  
madali po. What happened right now is that there is partial

**[05:30:21.559] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006248)  
cancellation. So it leaves us with portions of the Friar Land na wala pong titles.

**[05:30:29.296] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006249)  
So iyon po ang aming dilemma ngayon.

**[05:30:33.040] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006250)  
So can you say what

**[05:30:36.497] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006251)  
Registries of Deeds, or what provinces, have Friar Lands problems?

**[05:30:43.160] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006252)  
As far as I recall, Your Honor, the RDs in Cavite—I think there are four Friar Lands in Cavite—and also the RD in Cebu Province. There's

**[05:30:56.191] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006253)  
also one particular RD which I'm aware of where the copy of the OCT has been lost.

**[05:31:04.798] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006254)  
So,

**[05:31:05.489] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006255)  
Mr. Administrator, since you already committed to attend the budget hearing of the DENR on Wednesday, August 26 at 11:00 a.m.,

**[05:31:15.008] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006256)  
can you also bring your Registries of Deeds of Cavite to join us in our meeting?

**[05:31:22.320] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006257)  
Yes, Your Honor, I will.

**[05:31:24.220] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006258)  
And also, if you would like, I'd also invite the RD from Cebu.

**[05:31:28.760] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006259)  
Thank you.

**[05:31:29.080] LRA Administrator Gerardo P. Sirios** (asr-006260)  
There are similar issues concerned.

**[05:31:31.920] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006261)  
Thank you.

**[05:31:32.627] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006262)  
That's all, Mr. Chairman.

**[05:31:33.792] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006263)  
Thank you very much.

**[05:31:34.958] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006264)  
Thank you.

**[05:31:35.665] Rep. Allan U. Ty** (asr-006265)  
Thank you, Mr. Administrator.

**[05:31:36.840] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006266)  
Thank you, Cong. Allan Ty.

**[05:31:39.440] Rep. Keith Micah "Atty. Mike" D.L. Tan** (asr-006267)  
[unclear] ba natin muna, ah, suspend the hearing briefing po muna.