# Senate Committee on Finance: CFO and PRA - September 22, 2026

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**[01:07:18.760] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000143)  
I apologize for the delay. I know we should have started at around three, but we had to go to the session hall because I had to sponsor several measures before the floor.

**[01:07:30.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000144)  
So I do apologize and thank you for your patience and understanding. Well, let us now begin. Magandang hapon po sa ating lahat. The budget briefing for fiscal year 2007 proposed budgets of the Commission on Filipinos Overseas and the Philippine Reclamation Authority is hereby called to order. We will be joined by several of our colleagues later on.

**[01:08:00.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000145)  
I would also like to thank and acknowledge the presence of CFO Secretary Dante Ang and PRA Chairman Alexander Lopez. At this juncture, may I ask the Committee Secretary to acknowledge our other resource persons in today's budget briefing?

**[01:08:23.900] Committee Secretary** (asr-000145-split-2)  
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. The Committee on Finance, Subcommittee H, would like to acknowledge the presence of the following:

**[01:08:31.120] Committee Secretary** (asr-000146)  
From the Commission on Filipinos Overseas, earlier acknowledged by the Chairman, we have Secretary Dante Francis Ang II. Good afternoon po. We also have Undersecretary Maria [unclear] Borja. From the Philippine Reclamation Authority, also earlier acknowledged by Chairman Senator Erwin Tulfo:

**[01:09:00.000] Committee Secretary** (asr-000147)  
Attorney Alexander Lopez, Engineer Cesar Siador Jr., Director Elio [unclear], Director Anthony Peter Crisologo, Attorney Jose Ferrer Jr., and Attorney Joselito Gonzalez.

**[01:09:30.000] Committee Secretary** (asr-000148)  
Attorney Joseph John [unclear]. From the Commission on Audit for the Commission on Filipinos Overseas,

**[01:09:40.000] Committee Secretary** (asr-000158)  
we have Mr. Fahad bin Abdul Malik Tumawis.

**[01:09:50.000] Committee Secretary** (asr-000168)  
From the Commission on Audit for the Philippine Reclamation Authority, we have Mr. Marlon Marcadia. Good afternoon, sir.

**[01:09:59.000] Committee Secretary** (asr-000177)  
From the Department of Budget and Management for Commission on Filipinas Overseas, we have Ms. Mary Rose Aguilar, good afternoon ma'am.

**[01:10:09.200] Committee Secretary** (asr-000178)  
And also from the Department of Budget and Management for Philippine Reclamation Authority, we have Ms. Lulu Vizpo, good afternoon po.

**[01:10:19.160] Committee Secretary** (asr-000179)  
I think that is all, Mr. Chair.

**[01:10:21.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000180)  
Thank you, Committee Secretary. I would like to acknowledge the presence of our Minority Leader, Senator Alan Peter Cayetano. Thank you, sir, for joining us this afternoon.

**[01:10:33.820] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000181)  
Anyway, for today, the Finance Subcommittee H will deliberate on the fiscal year 2027 proposed budgets of the Commission on Filipinos Overseas and the Philippine Reclamation Authority.

**[01:10:47.760] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000182)  
As we deliberate on the 2027 budget,

**[01:10:51.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000183)  
let us remember that every peso appropriated is a peso entrusted to us by the people.

**[01:10:58.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000184)  
Kaya dapat malinaw po saan napupunta ang ating pondo, ano ang resulta, at sino ang tunay na makikinabang.

**[01:11:05.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000185)  
For the CFO, our starting point is equally clear.

**[01:11:08.760] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000186)  
Hindi lamang remittance ang ambag ng ating mga kababayan sa abroad.

**[01:11:12.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000187)  
They bring skills, investments, ideas, networks, and most importantly, a continuing connection to the Philippines.

**[01:11:20.240] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000188)  
For the PRA,

**[01:11:21.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000189)  
we will look closely at the balance between development and environmental stewardship.

**[01:11:27.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000190)  
Reclamation and the development of public lands must be anchored on sound planning,

**[01:11:33.500] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000191)  
economic value, climate resilience, and the long-term interests of Filipino people.

**[01:11:39.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000192)  
Hindi po sapat na may proyekto.

**[01:11:41.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000193)  
Dapat malinaw kung may tunay na pakinabang sa publiko.

**[01:11:50.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000194)  
At the end of this deliberation,

**[01:11:51.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000195)  
our standards should be clear:

**[01:11:53.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000196)  
Translate into public value, measurable results, and meaningful services to the Filipino people.

**[01:11:59.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000197)  
This is how we uphold fiscal responsibility and more importantly, maintain the trust that our people place in government.

**[01:12:06.500] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000198)  
Let this hearing therefore be candid, constructive, and focused on the outcomes.

**[01:12:12.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000199)  
Ang budget ay hindi lamang po numero sa papel.

**[01:12:15.140] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000200)  
Ito ay salamin ng ating mga prioridad at pananagutan sa mamamayan.

**[01:12:19.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000201)  
Thank you.

**[01:12:21.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000202)  
Let's proceed.

**[01:12:21.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000203)  
But before we do that,

**[01:12:23.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000204)  
I would like to ask our minority leader, Senator Cayetano, if he has any opening statement.

**[01:12:30.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000205)  
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

**[01:12:32.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000206)  
I will follow your lead.

**[01:12:34.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000207)  
You said to keep it clear, focused, professional.

**[01:12:40.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000208)  
So, sa akin lang po yung biblical principle, kung anong ating itatanim, yan ang ating aanihin.

**[01:12:46.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000209)  
And in that spirit, after the chairman, may I ask one or two questions?

**[01:12:51.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000210)  
To the Honourable Secretary Dante, about Filipinos overseas.

**[01:12:56.880] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000211)  
Thank you, Mayor.

**[01:12:59.720] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000212)  
With that, let us proceed with our budget hearing.

**[01:13:04.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000213)  
We will open the floor now for the Commission on Filipinos Overseas, if they have any or if they want to make any presentation.

**[01:13:13.740] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000214)  
Secretary Ang, go ahead.

**[01:13:16.980] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000215)  
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Honourable Members of the Committee.

**[01:13:19.560] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000216)  
With your permission.

**[01:13:21.060] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000217)  
Sirs, I have a two-page opening statement and a five-minute video, if that would be okay.

**[01:13:28.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000218)  
Go ahead.

**[01:13:28.940] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000219)  
Salamat po.

**[01:13:30.020] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000220)  
Whenever stakeholders hear us, it is often followed by questions about our connection to our other migrant-serving counterparts and our scope of work.

**[01:13:40.120] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000221)  
Put simply, the CFO's mandate is to foster diaspora engagement through programs and policies

**[01:13:47.760] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000222)  
that involve and empower our non-resident Filipinos.

**[01:13:51.060] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000223)  
To participate in national development.

**[01:13:55.740] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000224)  
NRF is our term for permanent migrants, expatriates, dual citizens, marriage migrants, as well as all their descendants and cultural exchange program participants in the U.S. and Europe.

**[01:14:10.360] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000225)  
They are the reason why the CFO exists under Batas Pambansa 79 to serve migrating Filipinos and lead in the Brain Gain initiatives.

**[01:14:21.060] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000226)  
The CFO ensures that NRFs are connected to the Philippines politically, economically, and culturally.

**[01:14:28.480] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000227)  
The Philippines enjoys a competitive advantage.

**[01:14:32.700] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000228)  
But Filipinos overseas need programs and policies that enable them to participate in development.

**[01:14:38.980] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000229)  
First, the CFO serves the largest segment of our migrants.

**[01:14:43.220] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000230)  
About 60% of the estimated 10.7 million Filipinos residing overseas fall under the CFO's

**[01:14:51.060] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000231)  
specific purview and require government services.

**[01:14:54.980] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000232)  
This is more than half of the population, and they are vital resources for the Philippines.

**[01:15:00.000] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000233)  
The diaspora, despite migrating long-term, continues to identify with being Filipino

**[01:15:08.240] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000234)  
and expresses an earnest desire to be involved in the country. Second is its economic significance.

**[01:15:15.440] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000235)  
just like ofws our nrfs bring in a significant amount of remittances but they are hardly

**[01:15:22.640] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000236)  
recognized for this contribution. Our flagship diaspora program, Lingkod sa Kapwa Pilipino (LINKAPIL),

**[01:15:30.320] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000237)  
has facilitated more than 3.4 billion pesos in contributions over the decades.

**[01:15:36.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000238)  
in relation the cfo's constituents not only give back economically as the chairman said

**[01:15:42.400] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000239)  
but they also provide knowledge and skills transfer to communities

**[01:15:46.320] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000240)  
we have done medical mission they have done medical missions capacity building workshops

**[01:15:50.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000241)  
and consultations with our partners

**[01:15:53.280] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000242)  
The LINKAPIL economic engagement program is one through which NRFs can help SMEs in

**[01:15:58.480] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000243)  
the philippines and support small-scale infrastructure third is harnessing political

**[01:16:04.080] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000244)  
and social capital. Our NRFs serve as informal ambassadors of our country,

**[01:16:10.320] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000245)  
imbued with soft power some diaspora members are not only community leaders but they also

**[01:16:16.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000246)  
serve in key positions in governments overseas the cfo collaborates with these important

**[01:16:22.400] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000247)  
figures

**[01:16:22.640] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000248)  
and opens the way for business, social, and tourism ventures in the Philippines.

**[01:16:28.320] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000249)  
the creation of the cfo in 1980 signaled a clear recognition that international migration

**[01:16:34.720] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000250)  
extended beyond labor mobility and required focused attention on immigrant populations

**[01:16:40.080] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000251)  
and transnational engagement our filipino diaspora summit last june brought together

**[01:16:46.640] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000252)  
nrfs from around the world and echoed the same sentiment it proved that the diaspora

**[01:16:52.400] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000253)  
is not seeking engagement the philippines in the abstract but rather with specific concrete

**[01:16:57.920] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000254)  
development opportunities provided by the cfo thus it are it is our intention to continue our mission

**[01:17:04.960] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000255)  
and ensure that the contributions welfare and interests of our permanent and long-term

**[01:17:09.360] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000256)  
migrants are not neglected. To facilitate our plans, the CFO is proposing a budget of 195.2 million pesos. Forty-eight percent,

**[01:17:20.720] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000257)  
or 93.898 million pesos,

**[01:17:22.400] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000258)  
will be allocated to personnel services, while 52 percent, or 101.302 million pesos,

**[01:17:30.720] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000259)  
will be allocated for maintenance and other operating expenses, or MOOE.

**[01:17:35.520] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000260)  
in terms of distribution by major program activity or project

**[01:17:39.600] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000261)  
73.26 million will be allocated to general administration and support or gas

**[01:17:46.160] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000262)  
the cfo assures that the budget shall be maximized to its fullest potential as evidenced by a previous

**[01:17:52.400] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000263)  
performance in 2025 we were able to obligate 91.36 percent of our of our budget with a

**[01:18:00.080] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000264)  
disbursement rate of 92.6 percent in the last seven years the cfo has maintained more than a 90

**[01:18:07.760] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000265)  
disbursement rate. In 2027, the CFO will not only maintain its regular programs such as BaLinkBayan,

**[01:18:15.600] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000266)  
YouLeaD, Ugnayan, but also intensify campaigns for further diaspora engagement for national development.

**[01:18:23.040] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000267)  
we plan to conduct outreach to overseas filipino organizations

**[01:18:27.280] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000268)  
create development focus modules for the youth intensify our anti-human trafficking efforts

**[01:18:33.120] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000269)  
and bolster partnerships with other migration and development stakeholders

**[01:18:37.440] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000270)  
to help achieve our new goals we are also requesting an additional 88 million 764 000

**[01:18:44.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000271)  
for the cfo mismo baling buy-in project continuing cost office productivity and our newly created for

**[01:18:52.400] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000272)  
filipino diaspora volunteer program supporting the cfo means strengthening our commitment to

**[01:18:58.240] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000273)  
every filipino whether they are at home or abroad so with your permission mr chairman i now show

**[01:19:04.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000274)  
a brief video to summarize all of these proposals

**[01:19:32.190] Presentation video** (asr-000275)  
Around the world, millions of Filipinos have built lives, careers, and communities. With them is a vast reservoir of knowledge, expertise, networks, resources, and a continuing desire to contribute to the Philippines.

**[01:19:45.120] Presentation video** (asr-000276)  
For many, the question is

**[01:19:47.240] Presentation video** (asr-000277)  
not whether

**[01:19:48.240] Presentation video** (asr-000278)  
they want to help,

**[01:19:49.200] Presentation video** (asr-000279)  
but how, where,

**[01:19:50.200] Presentation video** (asr-000280)  
and with whom

**[01:19:51.280] Presentation video** (asr-000281)  
they can make a meaningful contribution.

**[01:19:52.320] Presentation video** (asr-000282)  
This is where the Commission on Filipinos Overseas, or CFO, comes in.

**[01:19:56.220] Presentation video** (asr-000283)  
CFO connects Filipinos overseas with credible programs, communities, government institutions, and partners

**[01:20:03.500] Presentation video** (asr-000284)  
through which they can remain engaged and contribute to the country's development.

**[01:20:07.400] Presentation video** (asr-000285)  
Around 6 million non-resident Filipinos or NRFs live across the world

**[01:20:12.540] Presentation video** (asr-000286)  
as permanent residents, naturalized and dual citizens, spouses and partners of foreign nationals,

**[01:20:19.120] Presentation video** (asr-000287)  
descendants of Filipino migrants, exchange visitors, and other migrants under the Commission's mandate.

**[01:20:26.180] Presentation video** (asr-000288)  
Across countries, citizenships, and generations, one bond endures.

**[01:20:31.460] Presentation video** (asr-000289)  
Dugong Pinoy

**[01:20:32.160] Presentation video** (asr-000290)  
CFO strengthens the political, economic, and cultural ties of Filipinos overseas with the Philippines

**[01:20:39.200] Presentation video** (asr-000291)  
and facilitates their meaningful participation in national development.

**[01:20:43.700] Presentation video** (asr-000292)  
For Filipinos overseas who want to remain connected and contribute to the Philippines,

**[01:20:49.120] Presentation video** (asr-000293)  
CFO provides concrete ways to take part.

**[01:20:52.260] Presentation video** (asr-000294)  
LINKAPIL connects NRFs who want to give back with channels for supporting local development.

**[01:20:57.780] Presentation video** (asr-000295)  
In 2025, the program facilitated 14.4 million pesos in donations from 2,835 overseas donors,

**[01:21:07.380] Presentation video** (asr-000296)  
benefiting 17,698 Filipinos in 17 provinces and the National Capital Region.

**[01:21:14.500] Presentation video** (asr-000297)  
Beyond immediate assistance, CFO encourages contributions

**[01:21:18.300] Presentation video** (asr-000298)  
that address

**[01:21:19.120] Presentation video** (asr-000299)  
longer-term development needs

**[01:21:21.120] Presentation video** (asr-000300)  
and strengthen community resilience,

**[01:21:23.720] Presentation video** (asr-000301)  
turning bayanihan across borders into concrete action.

**[01:21:27.100] Presentation video** (asr-000302)  
BaLinkBayan

**[01:21:27.880] Presentation video** (asr-000303)  
reconnects Filipinos overseas with their places of origin,

**[01:21:32.140] Presentation video** (asr-000304)  
working with LGUs to link diaspora investments, expertise, community initiatives,

**[01:21:38.300] Presentation video** (asr-000305)  
and other forms of participation with local development needs.

**[01:21:42.460] Presentation video** (asr-000306)  
CFO also engages succeeding generations through Philippine schools overseas,

**[01:21:48.060] Presentation video** (asr-000307)  
YouLeaD,

**[01:21:49.100] Presentation video** (asr-000310)  
and the Virtual Centro Rizal, strengthening Filipino identity and their connection to the homeland.

**[01:21:54.620] Presentation video** (asr-000311)  
Ugnayan brings CFO services, programs, and diaspora engagement initiatives directly to Filipino communities overseas.

**[01:22:04.140] Presentation video** (asr-000312)  
CFO also brings NRF perspectives into policymaking,

**[01:22:08.380] Presentation video** (asr-000313)  
helping ensure that diaspora concerns are reflected in government policy and migration governance.

**[01:22:14.300] Presentation video** (asr-000314)  
PESO Sense strengthens financial literacy, supported by a digital community of 3.9 million followers and nearly 800,000 SAVERS Group members.

**[01:22:25.940] Presentation video** (asr-000315)  
Together, these programs represent one of CFO's defining roles, our second frontline,

**[01:22:31.840] Presentation video** (asr-000316)  
which continues after Filipinos have established lives overseas.

**[01:22:35.720] Presentation video** (asr-000317)  
Here, CFO helps reconnect the diaspora with the Philippines and channel their knowledge, skills, networks, investments,

**[01:22:44.620] Presentation video** (asr-000318)  
philanthropy, and other resources toward national and local development.

**[01:22:49.280] Presentation video** (asr-000319)  
In this way, migration becomes a continuing circulation of knowledge and resources,

**[01:22:54.620] Presentation video** (asr-000320)  
helping transform brain drain into brain gain through diaspora engagement.

**[01:22:59.380] Presentation video** (asr-000321)  
CFO's work also begins before migration.

**[01:23:02.000] Presentation video** (asr-000322)  
At our first frontline, we prepare and support Filipinos as they build new lives overseas.

**[01:23:08.200] Presentation video** (asr-000323)  
In 2025, CFO served 81,859 Filipino migrants,

**[01:23:14.060] Presentation video** (asr-000324)  
and program participants across its pre-departure, counseling, au pair, and exchange visitor programs.

**[01:23:21.060] Presentation video** (asr-000325)  
CFO also protects migrants through the 1343 Action Line and its advocacy and coordination work against trafficking in persons.

**[01:23:30.220] Presentation video** (asr-000326)  
As migration continues to evolve, so must the way government reaches and engages Filipinos overseas.

**[01:23:36.380] Presentation video** (asr-000327)  
CFO is strengthening its digital services, BaLinkBayan, critical information systems, and overseas reach

**[01:23:43.480] Presentation video** (asr-000328)  
through

**[01:23:44.060] Presentation video** (asr-000329)  
honorary diaspora representatives in selected communities.

**[01:23:48.060] Presentation video** (asr-000330)  
These initiatives will make government services more accessible and enable more Filipinos abroad to connect, participate, and contribute to the Philippines.

**[01:23:56.820] Presentation video** (asr-000331)  
As the Filipino diaspora continues to grow and evolve,

**[01:24:00.180] Presentation video** (asr-000332)  
so does the importance of keeping the Philippines connected to Filipinos wherever they may be.

**[01:24:05.780] Presentation video** (asr-000333)  
CFO brings the global Filipino community closer to the country's development needs,

**[01:24:11.380] Presentation video** (asr-000334)  
and brings credible avenues for participation,

**[01:24:14.060] Presentation video** (asr-000335)  
closer to Filipinos wherever they are.

**[01:24:17.060] Presentation video** (asr-000336)  
CFO translates public resources into programs and services for Filipinos overseas.

**[01:24:23.060] Presentation video** (asr-000337)  
In 2025, the Commission posted a 91.36% obligation rate and a 92.60% disbursement rate.

**[01:24:32.060] Presentation video** (asr-000338)  
For Fiscal Year 2027, the CFO has a proposed budget of P195.2 million under the National Expenditure Program.

**[01:24:42.060] Presentation video** (asr-000339)  
Additional resources

**[01:24:44.060] Presentation video** (asr-000340)  
will allow CFO to reach more Filipinos overseas,

**[01:24:48.060] Presentation video** (asr-000341)  
strengthen program delivery,

**[01:24:50.060] Presentation video** (asr-000342)  
expand digital access,

**[01:24:52.060] Presentation video** (asr-000343)  
and deepen diaspora engagement for national and local development.

**[01:25:00.060] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000344)  
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

**[01:25:01.060] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000345)  
We can take questions now.

**[01:25:03.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000346)  
Thank you, Secretary.

**[01:25:05.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000347)  
Let me turn over the mic now to our Minority Leader,

**[01:25:08.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000348)  
Senator Allan Cayetano.

**[01:25:10.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000349)  
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

**[01:25:11.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000350)  
As we were discussing, Mr. Chairman,

**[01:25:13.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000351)  
together also with Senator Rafi Tulfo,

**[01:25:17.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000352)  
we were discussing the Department of Migrant Workers, Secretary Dante.

**[01:25:21.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000353)  
The original version that, at least the one I filed,

**[01:25:25.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000354)  
first in the Senate and then in the House of Representatives,

**[01:25:28.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000355)  
when it was passed, I was in the House of Representatives.

**[01:25:32.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000356)  
The original version was not Department of Migrant Workers.

**[01:25:36.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000357)  
It's a department for overseas Filipinos.

**[01:25:40.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000358)  
Okay.

**[01:25:41.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000359)  
The idea then was God works in mysterious ways.

**[01:25:46.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000360)  
So 2008 or 2009, I visited the UK.

**[01:25:50.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000361)  
A very good finance person and ambassador, Ambassador Espiritu, entertained me.

**[01:25:57.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000362)  
His joke was that he was fired because of GMA after I visited him.

**[01:26:03.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000363)  
He brought in a couple of young people.

**[01:26:07.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000364)  
And realistically, if you saw them,

**[01:26:09.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000365)  
maybe one looked very Filipino.

**[01:26:13.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000366)  
Two, may hint ka na tatay, nanay, lola nito Pilipino.

**[01:26:18.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000367)  
Yung tatlo akala mo Indian, British Indian.

**[01:26:23.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000368)  
Yung isa akala mo Chinese, British.

**[01:26:27.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000369)  
But all of them had Filipino blood.

**[01:26:30.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000370)  
Then he said to me,

**[01:26:31.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000371)  
Senator, these are the ones who have money.

**[01:26:36.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000372)  
Because they are the grandchildren.

**[01:26:38.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000373)  
So yung migrants, yung lola nila, nurses, engineers,

**[01:26:43.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000374)  
may [unclear] diyan.

**[01:26:45.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000375)  
Talagang lahat ng klaseng hirap.

**[01:26:47.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000376)  
Pero yung magulang nila nakapag-aral na sa mga UK schools,

**[01:26:52.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000377)  
British universities,

**[01:26:53.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000378)  
with a good salary.

**[01:26:55.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000379)  
But these ones, they are in the top schools.

**[01:26:58.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000380)  
At yung mga graduate nito, pinag-aagawan na.

**[01:27:01.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000381)  
So they are in good company.

**[01:27:02.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000382)  
But most of them have never visited the Philippines.

**[01:27:06.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000383)  
So he wanted to point out,

**[01:27:08.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000384)  
he thought of a program.

**[01:27:10.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000385)  
He said, yes, it's a good program.

**[01:27:12.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000386)  
Let's say in Hong Kong,

**[01:27:14.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000387)  
if your boss wants to join,

**[01:27:17.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000388)  
it's a plus one visitor.

**[01:27:19.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000389)  
And Hong Kong is just nearby.

**[01:27:21.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000390)  
Or if you're an engineer in Saudi,

**[01:27:23.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000391)  
and you want to sell a different vacation spot from the usual,

**[01:27:31.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000392)  
Eh marami din namang Muslim Filipino,

**[01:27:33.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000393)  
so kino-consider din.

**[01:27:35.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000394)  
But compared, for example, to Dubai,

**[01:27:37.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000395)  
Indonesia, Malaysia,

**[01:27:39.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000396)  
medyo hindi tayo first, second, third choice.

**[01:27:44.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000397)  
So we put that in the bill.

**[01:27:46.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000398)  
Unfortunately, some members at that time,

**[01:27:49.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000399)  
even in the budget,

**[01:27:52.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000400)  
I'm looking at your budget,

**[01:27:54.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000401)  
one particular person,

**[01:27:56.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000402)  
I won't name him because he just has an idea.

**[01:27:58.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000403)  
He's not here in the Senate.

**[01:28:00.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000404)  
He said,

**[01:28:02.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000405)  
why should we spend for people

**[01:28:04.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000406)  
who are no longer Filipinos?

**[01:28:06.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000407)  
Right?

**[01:28:07.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000408)  
Without,

**[01:28:08.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000409)  
he didn't see the flip side.

**[01:28:10.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000410)  
He didn't choose,

**[01:28:13.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000411)  
when he was born,

**[01:28:15.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000412)  
that they are now apos,

**[01:28:17.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000413)  
and their parents

**[01:28:19.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000414)  
are no longer Filipinos by citizenship,

**[01:28:22.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000415)  
but Filipinos by blood.

**[01:28:24.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000416)  
And later on,

**[01:28:25.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000417)  
the dual citizenship was passed.

**[01:28:28.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000418)  
And to some who do not own,

**[01:28:30.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000419)  
or have no land here,

**[01:28:32.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000420)  
and his whole family is in the US,

**[01:28:34.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000421)  
in Europe,

**[01:28:35.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000422)  
in Japan,

**[01:28:36.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000423)  
in Korea,

**[01:28:38.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000424)  
there was really no incentive

**[01:28:40.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000425)  
to have dual citizenship.

**[01:28:41.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000426)  
And there are some countries,

**[01:28:43.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000427)  
like Japan,

**[01:28:46.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000428)  
I know a Filipino-Japanese,

**[01:28:48.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000429)  
he said,

**[01:28:49.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000430)  
Sir,

**[01:28:50.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000431)  
here,

**[01:28:51.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000432)  
when we ask,

**[01:28:52.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000433)  
we need to answer in Japanese.

**[01:28:53.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000434)  
Unlike in the US or the Philippines,

**[01:28:55.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000435)  
when you ask,

**[01:28:56.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000436)  
you can say that you are a dual citizen.

**[01:28:58.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000437)  
Okay.

**[01:28:59.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000438)  
So my point,

**[01:29:00.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000439)  
Mr. Secretary,

**[01:29:01.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000440)  
is that

**[01:29:02.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000441)  
at the end of this year,

**[01:29:04.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000442)  
the law creating the

**[01:29:07.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000443)  
Department of Migrant Workers

**[01:29:09.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000444)  
will trigger for early next year

**[01:29:12.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000445)  
a review.

**[01:29:14.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000446)  
And both Senator Tulfos have said

**[01:29:16.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000447)  
that they will spend time on that.

**[01:29:18.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000448)  
And I just want to lay that on your feet

**[01:29:20.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000449)  
because you're in the cabinet.

**[01:29:22.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000450)  
Look at the interplay of

**[01:29:24.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000451)  
because it's complicated enough

**[01:29:26.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000452)  
what is with the migrant workers,

**[01:29:28.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000453)  
what is with the DFA.

**[01:29:30.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000454)  
Then you will add more Filipinos

**[01:29:33.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000455)  
overseas.

**[01:29:34.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000456)  
And I was looking at your programs,

**[01:29:36.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000457)  
magaganda,

**[01:29:37.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000458)  
katulad nung mga pre-depart,

**[01:29:39.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000459)  
yung PIDOS,

**[01:29:41.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000460)  
yung sa DFA,

**[01:29:43.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000461)  
may paos din sila aside from PIDOS.

**[01:29:46.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000462)  
But if I look at the flip side,

**[01:29:48.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000463)  
I'd like you to,

**[01:29:49.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000464)  
I'd like you to have programs

**[01:29:51.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000465)  
in the US,

**[01:29:52.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000466)  
in the UK,

**[01:29:53.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000467)  
in France,

**[01:29:54.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000468)  
getting these young Filipinos

**[01:29:56.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000469)  
to get to know their country by black.

**[01:30:00.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000470)  
by origin. And you'll be surprised

**[01:30:02.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000471)  
Senator Tulfo, there's

**[01:30:03.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000472)  
what year was that?

**[01:30:06.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000473)  
If I'm not mistaken, I was

**[01:30:08.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000474)  
either a new senator or congressman

**[01:30:10.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000475)  
pa ako. So around 2007-2008

**[01:30:13.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000476)  
we went to South Africa

**[01:30:14.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000477)  
and the embassy

**[01:30:16.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000478)  
brought Filipinos to us

**[01:30:18.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000479)  
and they were there since

**[01:30:20.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000480)  
late 1800s

**[01:30:21.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000481)  
and they were asked

**[01:30:23.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000482)  
how did your ninunos

**[01:30:26.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000483)  
get here? Sabi na sir

**[01:30:28.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000484)  
1800s pa lang

**[01:30:31.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000485)  
nagsustokwa na

**[01:30:32.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000486)  
yung mga Pilipino sa mga ships

**[01:30:34.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000487)  
tapos kung saan may opportunity

**[01:30:37.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000488)  
doon. So yung mga lolot-lola

**[01:30:40.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000489)  
namin, nasa mga

**[01:30:42.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000490)  
ships, galleon trade, whatever

**[01:30:44.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000491)  
it is. Alam naman

**[01:30:46.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000492)  
natin galleon trade

**[01:30:47.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000493)  
Mexico, through Mexico

**[01:30:50.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000494)  
then Spain. But

**[01:30:51.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000495)  
may mga ganun talaga. But

**[01:30:54.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000496)  
because the embassy there

**[01:30:55.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000497)  
tuwing may bibisita na

**[01:30:58.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000498)  
Philippine delegation, ipapakilala

**[01:31:00.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000499)  
but sa iba, nawawala

**[01:31:02.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000500)  
yung institutional memory.

**[01:31:04.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000501)  
I remember in 2007-2008

**[01:31:07.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000502)  
or 2009

**[01:31:08.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000503)  
first time ko sa Ukraine

**[01:31:10.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000504)  
very very different

**[01:31:12.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000505)  
when we went to a new hotel

**[01:31:14.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000506)  
may gumaganon na chef

**[01:31:16.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000507)  
kasi nasa gitna, yung open yung kitchen

**[01:31:18.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000508)  
nasa gitna ng hotel, gumaganon

**[01:31:20.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000509)  
takan-taka yung mga tao

**[01:31:22.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000510)  
tapos sabi nung honorary consul

**[01:31:24.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000511)  
no no, we have about five

**[01:31:26.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000512)  
uh

**[01:31:28.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000513)  
Filipinos here.

**[01:31:30.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000514)  
How did they get here? Well, some went

**[01:31:32.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000515)  
to Europe, some went to Russia

**[01:31:34.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000516)  
basta somehow Filipinos find

**[01:31:36.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000517)  
the way. Parang tubig

**[01:31:37.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000518)  
kahit anong harang mo sa dam

**[01:31:40.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000519)  
and everything, hahanap yung Pilipino.

**[01:31:42.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000520)  
So I promise the chairman, maikli lang

**[01:31:44.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000521)  
So I do

**[01:31:46.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000522)  
want you to have the budget you need

**[01:31:48.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000523)  
but vis-a-vis

**[01:31:49.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000524)  
the programs that will

**[01:31:52.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000525)  
bring in

**[01:31:53.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000526)  
not only funds

**[01:31:56.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000527)  
not only

**[01:31:58.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000528)  
uh put it another way, no?

**[01:32:00.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000529)  
If there's gonna be a revival

**[01:32:02.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000530)  
of Filipino culture in the same

**[01:32:04.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000531)  
way that nung nagkaroon ng K-drama

**[01:32:06.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000532)  
K-pop, di ba?

**[01:32:08.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000533)  
Nung I remember

**[01:32:10.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000534)  
when I was a new congressman

**[01:32:12.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000535)  
1998, pagpunta ka ng

**[01:32:14.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000536)  
Malaysia, Thailand, yung mga DVD

**[01:32:16.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000537)  
or VCD pa ba yung pirated nun?

**[01:32:18.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000538)  
Mga dinab na Filipino

**[01:32:20.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000539)  
movies, di ba? Then sumikat

**[01:32:22.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000540)  
ang Bollywood and then

**[01:32:24.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000541)  
later on sumikat na yung Korea

**[01:32:26.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000542)  
but one of these days, whether it's

**[01:32:27.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000543)  
Filipino food, whether it's yung

**[01:32:29.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000544)  
ube ngayon abroad,

**[01:32:31.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000545)  
whether it's

**[01:32:33.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000546)  
our traditional hilot

**[01:32:35.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000547)  
in the massage,

**[01:32:37.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000548)  
whether it's our family

**[01:32:39.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000549)  
oriented culture,

**[01:32:41.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000550)  
one of these days, magkakaroon

**[01:32:43.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000551)  
ng renaissance din ng

**[01:32:45.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000552)  
what is Filipino and with more than

**[01:32:47.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000553)  
10 million Filipinos abroad,

**[01:32:49.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000554)  
I think your

**[01:32:51.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000555)  
commission

**[01:32:53.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000556)  
needs an

**[01:32:55.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000557)  
upgrade all around.

**[01:32:57.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000558)  
Personal, resources,

**[01:32:59.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000559)  
programs, etc. So sa

**[01:33:01.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000560)  
US alone,

**[01:33:03.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000561)  
at least when I was in DFA, they said 6 million

**[01:33:05.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000562)  
ang tingin nilang

**[01:33:07.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000563)  
may Filipino heritage.

**[01:33:09.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000564)  
Halo na daw yun na

**[01:33:11.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000565)  
TNT

**[01:33:13.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000566)  
totally Americano na

**[01:33:15.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000567)  
dual citizen and everything.

**[01:33:17.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000568)  
So that's not a small number.

**[01:33:19.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000569)  
Can you imagine if 10% of them

**[01:33:21.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000570)  
travel to the Philippines,

**[01:33:23.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000571)  
that's 600,000. If each

**[01:33:25.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000572)  
of them may isang anak or may isang asawa,

**[01:33:27.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000573)  
na hindi

**[01:33:29.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000574)  
of Filipino descent,

**[01:33:31.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000575)  
that's 1.2 million. Ang highest

**[01:33:33.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000576)  
atin-atin sa tourism is

**[01:33:35.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000577)  
around 1.6 million, which is

**[01:33:37.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000578)  
I don't know if it's Koreans now or the Japanese.

**[01:33:39.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000579)  
But my point is

**[01:33:41.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000580)  
for every tourist that comes in, for every

**[01:33:43.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000581)  
two tourists, two to three,

**[01:33:45.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000582)  
one Filipino job is created here.

**[01:33:47.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000583)  
And like me,

**[01:33:49.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000584)  
on my

**[01:33:51.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000585)  
mother's side, my grandfather

**[01:33:53.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000586)  
is German

**[01:33:55.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000587)  
American, but I've never

**[01:33:57.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000588)  
been to the island which is in the

**[01:33:59.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000589)  
boundary of

**[01:34:01.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000590)  
France and Germany.

**[01:34:03.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000591)  
I've never been there.

**[01:34:05.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000592)  
I've never been in Germany per se.

**[01:34:07.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000593)  
But if the German government

**[01:34:09.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000594)  
had a program

**[01:34:11.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000595)  
and I got to go there 30 years

**[01:34:13.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000596)  
ago, maybe every five years

**[01:34:15.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000597)  
pumupunta.

**[01:34:17.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000598)  
Wala pa akong nakitang pute

**[01:34:19.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000599)  
na turista na may

**[01:34:21.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000600)  
opportunity na pumunta ng Pilipinas once

**[01:34:23.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000601)  
na hindi bumalik.

**[01:34:25.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000602)  
In fact, if you look at let's say si Becoming

**[01:34:27.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000603)  
Filipino, si Kulas,

**[01:34:29.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000604)  
he opted not to

**[01:34:31.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000605)  
leave anymore.

**[01:34:33.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000606)  
We have a number of US personnel

**[01:34:35.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000607)  
when we had US bases.

**[01:34:37.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000608)  
They married here

**[01:34:39.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000609)  
or some remarried

**[01:34:41.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000610)  
and did not leave anymore.

**[01:34:43.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000611)  
I know at least a few

**[01:34:45.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000612)  
ambassadors who

**[01:34:47.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000613)  
got married to a

**[01:34:49.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000614)  
Filipina after their assignment here

**[01:34:51.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000615)  
but they plan to

**[01:34:53.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000616)  
come back. So I leave it

**[01:34:55.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000617)  
at that thought na

**[01:34:57.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000618)  
if you can have a program to get

**[01:34:59.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000619)  
people of

**[01:35:01.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000620)  
Filipino blood

**[01:35:03.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000621)  
to be more conscious of their

**[01:35:05.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000622)  
motherland than to get

**[01:35:07.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000623)  
them here, I think we shouldn't

**[01:35:09.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000624)  
be short-sighted in parang ano yung

**[01:35:11.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000625)  
immediate na babalik sa atin.

**[01:35:13.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000626)  
Di ba kasi magtatanim ka talaga ng

**[01:35:15.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000627)  
matagal-tagal.

**[01:35:17.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000628)  
I mean if you look at the Tulfos for example,

**[01:35:19.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000629)  
I grew up knowing

**[01:35:21.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000630)  
yung eldest nyo si

**[01:35:23.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000631)  
Mon Tulfo at

**[01:35:25.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000632)  
the time hindi pa SOCMED. It was really

**[01:35:27.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000633)  
inquirer ba?

**[01:35:29.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000634)  
Di ba inquirer?

**[01:35:31.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000635)  
But parang sa bilis ng panahon suddenly

**[01:35:33.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000636)  
silang magkakapatid. Ibat-ibang shows

**[01:35:35.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000637)  
pero suddenly popular

**[01:35:37.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000638)  
sa lahat. Di ba? So

**[01:35:39.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000639)  
tanim lang ng tanim eh. Then you wake

**[01:35:41.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000640)  
up one day nandoon.

**[01:35:43.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000641)  
So you might be the right. May timing

**[01:35:45.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000642)  
din eh. May timing. I mean

**[01:35:47.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000643)  
what I'm saying now is not original.

**[01:35:49.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000644)  
It's probably also from people

**[01:35:51.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000645)  
in your commission who I heard

**[01:35:53.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000646)  
years ago or

**[01:35:55.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000647)  
people from DFA who gave a couple

**[01:35:57.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000648)  
of ideas.

**[01:35:59.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000649)  
The last point I wanna make is that

**[01:36:01.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000650)  
the few trips that I did

**[01:36:03.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000651)  
make as DFA Secretary,

**[01:36:05.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000652)  
ang dami pala talagang official na

**[01:36:07.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000653)  
Pilipino. Di ba? Whether sa

**[01:36:09.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000654)  
US ay met nun yung Soljen

**[01:36:11.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000655)  
who was

**[01:36:13.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000656)  
Filipino din. Of course

**[01:36:15.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000657)  
yung mga actors

**[01:36:17.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000658)  
and sports, baseball,

**[01:36:19.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000659)  
basketball marami. But

**[01:36:21.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000660)  
sa New Zealand

**[01:36:23.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000661)  
di ba meron isa na tumakbo

**[01:36:25.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000662)  
sa Parliament.

**[01:36:27.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000663)  
I don't know now. But ang point ko

**[01:36:29.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000664)  
lang sir, mahirap

**[01:36:31.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000665)  
makialam sa politika ng ibang bansa.

**[01:36:33.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000666)  
But just connecting

**[01:36:35.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000667)  
whether it's New York City, Daly City,

**[01:36:37.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000668)  
whether it's in Hawaii na maraming

**[01:36:39.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000669)  
Pilipino. I think that's

**[01:36:41.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000670)  
invaluable para sa

**[01:36:43.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000671)  
sa atin. So dati kasi

**[01:36:45.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000672)  
susulat ka pa, te-telegrama, mahirap

**[01:36:47.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000673)  
makontakt. Ngayon ma-meet mo

**[01:36:49.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000674)  
lang at may relationship ka. Whether sa messenger,

**[01:36:51.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000675)  
WhatsApp, Viber,

**[01:36:53.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000676)  
you can keep in touch. Yung iba nagro-group

**[01:36:55.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000677)  
chat pa. And the younger they are,

**[01:36:57.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000678)  
the more open they are to

**[01:36:59.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000679)  
to

**[01:37:01.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000680)  
to keeping in

**[01:37:03.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000681)  
touch and then to visiting each other's

**[01:37:05.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000682)  
country. So I did

**[01:37:07.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000683)  
most of the talking but I'd like to support

**[01:37:09.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000684)  
a bigger budget in the plenary.

**[01:37:11.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000685)  
But I think to do that

**[01:37:13.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000686)  
and para hindi tayo

**[01:37:15.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000687)  
ma-accus ng insertion yun,

**[01:37:17.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000688)  
there has to be a program.

**[01:37:19.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000689)  
But I really think whether it's

**[01:37:21.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000690)  
basta kung saan pinakamaraming Pinoy

**[01:37:23.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000691)  
was looking nandito sa

**[01:37:25.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000692)  
whether it's

**[01:37:27.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000693)  
US or yung

**[01:37:29.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000694)  
Pinoy pero

**[01:37:31.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000695)  
how do I put it?

**[01:37:33.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000696)  
Tinatarget natin sila na

**[01:37:35.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000697)  
visit the Philippines pero

**[01:37:37.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000698)  
hindi sila necessarily

**[01:37:39.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000699)  
gagastusan mo kasi pupunta rin

**[01:37:41.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000700)  
naman sila ngayon. So obviously

**[01:37:43.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000701)  
if OFW sila, may

**[01:37:45.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000702)  
programa na sa kanilang POEA or

**[01:37:47.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000703)  
whatever. So

**[01:37:49.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000704)  
Mr. Chairman, yun lang yung aking

**[01:37:51.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000705)  
input and

**[01:37:53.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000706)  
my way of supporting

**[01:37:55.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000707)  
the present programs by talking about

**[01:37:57.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000708)  
the other side, aside from

**[01:37:59.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000709)  
yung...

**[01:38:01.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000710)  
We do have a...

**[01:38:03.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000711)  
So like my mother,

**[01:38:05.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000712)  
she didn't take Filipino citizenship

**[01:38:07.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000713)  
pero nag-retiree.

**[01:38:09.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000714)  
So

**[01:38:11.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000715)  
and for example, Dumaguete

**[01:38:13.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000716)  
is always in the top five,

**[01:38:15.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000717)  
top three, top five

**[01:38:17.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000718)  
best place to retire in the world.

**[01:38:19.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000719)  
Habang paganda ng paganda

**[01:38:21.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000720)  
yung Clark, I think

**[01:38:23.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000721)  
pala...

**[01:38:25.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000722)  
So many places in the Philippines that could really

**[01:38:27.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000723)  
be place for retirement

**[01:38:29.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000724)  
or even for young people to

**[01:38:31.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000725)  
study, baka pwede din sa commission

**[01:38:33.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000726)  
nyo yun na parang

**[01:38:35.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000727)  
study in the Philippines or

**[01:38:37.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000728)  
do a summer in the Philippines or

**[01:38:39.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000729)  
put up a business in the

**[01:38:41.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000730)  
Philippines, retire in the Philippines. Thank you

**[01:38:43.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000731)  
Mr. Chairman.

**[01:38:45.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000732)  
Thank you, Majority...Minority

**[01:38:47.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000733)  
Leader. Isang question

**[01:38:49.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000734)  
lang po, Secretary. I wanted to question

**[01:38:51.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000735)  
how many have you

**[01:38:53.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000736)  
served the CFO? How many

**[01:38:55.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000737)  
Filipinos or

**[01:38:57.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000738)  
permanent residents have you served

**[01:38:59.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000739)  
last year?

**[01:39:01.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000740)  
Mr. Chair,

**[01:39:03.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000741)  
about 70,000 po go

**[01:39:05.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000742)  
through our office for the pre-departure orientation

**[01:39:07.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000743)  
seminar. But as our

**[01:39:09.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000744)  
presentation showed po,

**[01:39:11.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000745)  
we are looking to see how

**[01:39:13.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000746)  
the Honorable Minority Leader said,

**[01:39:15.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000747)  
how we can also engage them to

**[01:39:17.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000748)  
come back to the Philippines in various ways.

**[01:39:19.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000749)  
I'm glad po the Minority Leader

**[01:39:21.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000750)  
brought up that very interesting program

**[01:39:23.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000751)  
and he may be

**[01:39:25.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000752)  
glad to know po that the CFO

**[01:39:27.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000753)  
has the youth leaders in the

**[01:39:29.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000754)  
diaspora program. This has been a decades

**[01:39:31.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000755)  
long program where

**[01:39:33.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000756)  
we invite young

**[01:39:35.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000757)  
members of the Filipino diaspora

**[01:39:37.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000758)  
to come to the Philippines

**[01:39:39.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000759)  
to learn about our culture

**[01:39:41.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000760)  
and heritage.

**[01:39:43.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000761)  
Nagsimula po yung program na yan

**[01:39:45.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000762)  
sa Lakbay Aral. Pero

**[01:39:47.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000763)  
over the years po, we

**[01:39:49.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000764)  
inserted leadership

**[01:39:51.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000765)  
training components

**[01:39:53.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000766)  
so that hindi lang po siya po

**[01:39:55.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000767)  
to resume.

**[01:39:57.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000768)  
But importante rin po yan.

**[01:39:59.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000769)  
So,

**[01:40:01.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000770)  
we haven't yet quantified po yung

**[01:40:03.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000771)  
pabalik, but the ones outgoing po,

**[01:40:05.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000772)  
about 70,000 po.

**[01:40:07.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000773)  
Okay, thank you.

**[01:40:09.800] CFO Chairperson Dante Francis M. Ang II** (asr-000774)  
Thank you.

**[01:40:11.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000775)  
Do you have any more questions? You're good.

**[01:40:13.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000776)  
Well, anyway, there being no

**[01:40:15.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000777)  
other questions, the fiscal

**[01:40:17.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000778)  
year 2027 proposed budget

**[01:40:19.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000779)  
of the Commission on Filipino Overseas

**[01:40:21.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000780)  
is now being submitted for

**[01:40:23.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000781)  
consideration, subject to

**[01:40:25.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000782)  
the discussions and submission of

**[01:40:27.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000783)  
requested documents. Thank you,

**[01:40:29.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000784)  
Secretary. And the CFO delegation

**[01:40:31.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000785)  
is now permitted to leave the venue.

**[01:40:33.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000786)  
This budget briefing of

**[01:40:35.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000787)  
the CFO is now over. Thank you.

**[01:40:39.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000788)  
Budget briefing is suspended.

**[01:46:30.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000801)  
exclude ourselves to 80,000 events that have more than 20,000 participants, because the biggest exhibition center we have now is 18,000. Yung MOA po, ang PICC is 10,000, of course on two venues, and ang World Trade is

**[01:47:00.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000802)  
14,000. Yun naman pong Philippine Arena, wala pong hotel, hindi maka-attract po ng international MICE events. So this will be colossal trade fairs. From the past and now, we had to turn away events because of the lack of facilities. Marami ho tayong tine-turn away. We will open ourselves and unlock the ability to host world rotating

**[01:47:30.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000803)  
association congresses and global trade fairs. It will be a 140,000-square-meter main venue. The building will be [unclear] square meters and will be the biggest in Southeast Asia. For example, Singapore Trade Expo has a 120,000

**[01:48:00.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000804)  
square-meter area, but they attracted 1.5 million participants. A 140,000-square-meter venue at an industry standard 50 to 60 percent utilization rate could reasonably attract an additional 300,000 to 500,000 delegates.

**[01:48:30.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000805)  
Nung nagpe-present po kami sa Nether Board, tinanong po, "Malaki naman yung halaga ng building ninyo. Bakit hindi na natin ibigay sa Department of Tourism yan?" Sabi po ng Department of Tourism, sila na sumagot para sa amin: "Your Honor, we would rather have the PIEC that will bring in the tourists." Right now, a regular tourist spends 6,000 per night, per day.

**[01:49:00.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000806)  
Karamihan po ngayon ng tourists, mga backpackers, mga estudyante. But a tourist will bring in 30,000 dahil funded po sila ng korporasyon nila, ng gobyerno nila, and they will set up booths. This influx would represent a [unclear] increase over pre-pandemic baseline arrivals, [unclear] the Philippines into a top

**[01:49:30.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000807)  
global destination. Ngayon po tayo sa [unclear] because we only get [unclear] tourists. PIEC's return on investment is [unclear]. One is PIEC's economic effects. The PIEC is designed to generate economic value beyond

**[01:50:00.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000808)  
its immediate project. It will be a powerful catalyst for growth across sectors: commerce, tourism, real estate, transport, [unclear], services, IT, hotels,

**[01:50:30.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000809)  
shopping, restaurants, transport. It will not only [unclear] national taxes but local taxes. Number two, the PIEC will hasten real estate growth. We anticipate significant [unclear] from local and [unclear] partners, increasing appraisal of our own

**[01:51:00.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000810)  
real estate. Alam niyo po dito sa MOA, Financial at Entertainment City, it took us 49 years for [unclear] casinos, [unclear] hotels, tens of thousands of units and millions of square [unclear] for commercial and cultural purposes. May simbahan po, etc.

**[01:51:30.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000811)  
Hindi na po natin [unclear] 49 years. This will be an anchor tenant, and we believe we are already attracting inquiries from hotel owners. From 62,000 per square [unclear] ang valuation ng lupa two years ago when we conceived PIEC, at nalaman po internationally,

**[01:52:00.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000812)  
the value po ngayon, the last sale in the newly reclaimed area is already [unclear]. Sa appraisal value pa lang po ng Republika ng Pilipinas, the Republic owns [unclear] of the newly reclaimed land and about 400,000 [unclear].

**[01:52:30.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000813)  
So it is a total of about [unclear]. This appreciation in land value, the PIEC's ability to [unclear] property assets, enhance [unclear], create jobs and generate a stream of government revenue, a strong foundation for future investments and broader tax base and urban development.

**[01:53:00.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000814)  
As one of PBBM's legacy and flagship projects and infrastructure, PIEC is set to be a substantial source of government revenue stream over the next 50 years, a conservative estimate contribution to the national government of at least P422 billion based on PRA projections confirmed by the DOF, the NEDA, and the ICC.

**[01:53:27.640] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000815)  
This is conservative. The Ways and Means has estimated a higher value, the Congress Ways and Means Committee, which we are gladly to give you.

**[01:53:42.720] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000816)  
This long-term revenue position, PIEC, as a sustainable revenue source for government, reinforcing the financial infrastructure needed to fund essential government services.

**[01:53:55.720] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000817)  
Ngayon po,

**[01:53:56.920] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000818)  
when we assumed office, 38 billion lang po noong November 2023, 38 billion lang po ang assets ng PRA.

**[01:54:10.120] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000819)  
Ngayon po, 228 billion na.

**[01:54:14.780] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000820)  
And soon, we project it to be 400 billion.

**[01:54:17.840] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000821)  
And when we reach the full potential, that is when, kasi hindi naman natin pwede ibenta ng wala sa halagang ang lupa natin.

**[01:54:26.920] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000822)  
So when it reaches full potential, maybe two, three years from now, then doon po talaga makikinabang ang Republika ng Pilipinas.

**[01:54:35.840] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000823)  
So, impact on future generations.

**[01:54:38.400] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000824)  
The PIEC will serve as a foundation for job creation across various industries and forge stronger partnership within and across the border.

**[01:54:47.220] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000825)  
By delivering large-scale and integrated paradigm for development, the PIEC will broaden the landscape of office.

**[01:54:54.220] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000826)  
The PIEC will broaden the landscape of office.

**[01:54:56.300] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000827)  
The PIEC will broaden the landscape of office.

**[01:54:56.920] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000828)  
and showcase our greatest assets, our people, our culture, and stand as an enduring testament and its endeavors.

**[01:55:09.740] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000829)  
The project will be located on 81,000 square meters, owned by the PRA within the Pasay City Harbor Reclamation,

**[01:55:17.980] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000830)  
a newly reclaimed land within Pasay City, and it's part of a Pasay Eco-City coastal development,

**[01:55:25.720] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000831)  
which is about 6.5 million square meters.

**[01:55:28.840] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000832)  
Ang natituluhan na ho dito, 135 hectares.

**[01:55:34.480] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000833)  
This year, we expect another 225.

**[01:55:37.960] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000834)  
And next year, the balance of 3 million square meters po.

**[01:55:41.940] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000835)  
We are growing very fast, completing the projects very fast.

**[01:55:47.380] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000836)  
It will be connected to the mainland by 15 bridges that will be construed to be fully funded,

**[01:55:55.540] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000837)  
by the private sector, wala pong gastos ang gobyerno rito.

**[01:56:00.420] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000838)  
It will have 88 kilometers of road, it will have 120 kilometers of sewer lines and flood control,

**[01:56:09.880] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000839)  
and 22 kilometers of revetment.

**[01:56:16.320] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000840)  
So yung sinasabi po nila, mawawala yung dagat po, yung isa pong project natin, yung SM,

**[01:56:24.400] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000841)  
pinaatras po ni Presidente ng 500 meters para magkaroon po ng gap between Sofitel area

**[01:56:32.280] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000842)  
and the newly reclaimed area.

**[01:56:34.180] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000843)  
Kaya makikita niyo po that we will have 22 kilometers of new coastline.

**[01:56:41.480] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000844)  
And lahat po ito, libre sa gobyerno.

**[01:56:44.280] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000845)  
We will have 88 kilometers of bike lane, sidewalk, free electricity and water lines to the government's

**[01:56:50.740] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000846)  
3 million 100 square meters.

**[01:56:54.400] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000847)  
We will have 312,000 square meters of parks and green spaces, all free of charge.

**[01:57:01.160] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000848)  
This is made possible by the funding of the private sectors.

**[01:57:04.840] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000849)  
The immediate implementations of these projects have been accelerated through the construction

**[01:57:10.880] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000850)  
of the PIEC.

**[01:57:12.580] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000851)  
Dahil may deadline po tayong minimit, lahat po nag-a-apport ngayon.

**[01:57:17.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000852)  
Makikita niyo sa mga pictures, nandyan na po yung mga tulay, ginagawa na po.

**[01:57:21.820] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000853)  
Nandyan na yung mga kalye, ginagawa na po.

**[01:57:24.400] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000854)  
Seven of these bridges will be completed before the targeted date, completion date

**[01:57:29.580] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000855)  
of the PIEC.

**[01:57:30.620] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000856)  
As for before, wala ho silang date.

**[01:57:33.320] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000857)  
Ngayon po, binilisan po namin para ma-jumpstart at umabot sa PIEC.

**[01:57:38.860] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000858)  
Currently, we can benchmark PIEC against Singapore's 1.5 million tourists, Expo-level utilization,

**[01:57:48.080] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000859)  
Canton-style trade orientation.

**[01:57:50.320] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000860)  
Of course, we cannot compare because they have a huge, huge competition.

**[01:57:54.400] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000861)  
Canton Exhibition Center and Bangkok Po, which has 1.2 million exhibitors last year.

**[01:58:02.020] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000862)  
Through the infrastructure presented earlier, we can develop PIEC and its immediate environs

**[01:58:09.700] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000863)  
including transport, utilities.

**[01:58:12.880] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000864)  
The PIEC is an exhibition and convention center envisioned to capture the growing demand

**[01:58:19.840] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000865)  
for meetings, incentives, conventions, and exhibitions.

**[01:58:24.400] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000866)  
Tourism in Southeast Asia.

**[01:58:27.280] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000867)  
Kami po sa PRA, we are positioning ourselves not to be a mice for Philippine products and

**[01:58:33.800] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000868)  
people and events and meetings, but we want to steal some of the, sorry for the word po,

**[01:58:40.060] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000869)  
we want to take some of the tourism from Singapore, which has 1.5 million mice participants

**[01:58:48.820] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000870)  
in Singapore Expo alone in Thailand.

**[01:58:51.720] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000871)  
We are confident we can do this.

**[01:58:54.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000872)  
One quick question, Mr. Chairman.

**[01:58:57.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000873)  
Ano po ang specific competitive advantage ng PIEC natin na wala sa existing convention and exhibition facilities

**[01:59:08.680] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000874)  
sa isang bangsa?

**[01:59:11.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000875)  
At ano po magiging dahilan para piliin ng international organizers ang PIEC natin

**[01:59:18.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000876)  
kaysa sa ibang venue sa Southeast Asia, Singapore, Thailand?

**[01:59:24.400] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000877)  
Sorry.

**[01:59:25.360] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000878)  
Unang-una po, mura po ang labor dito.

**[01:59:30.980] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000879)  
Mas mura ang hotel natin sa Singapore at sa Thailand, lalo na pag nadatingan na ho yung mga mice tourists.

**[01:59:38.540] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000880)  
Ang nagtatayo po ng boots dito, mura po.

**[01:59:41.660] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000881)  
And this will be a novelty for this exhibition.

**[01:59:45.260] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000882)  
Alam nyo naman, marami ho dito sa nag-e-exhibition po, junket ang hinahanap.

**[01:59:51.220] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000883)  
Hindi naman pwede puro Thailand, Singapore.

**[01:59:54.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000884)  
At Japan at China lang sila.

**[01:59:56.440] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000885)  
So marami po rito nag-o-open.

**[01:59:58.680] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000886)  
In fact, we have already had...

**[02:00:00.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000887)  
Some inquiries on this, no?

**[02:00:01.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000888)  
Patanong ko lang din po, Mr. Chairman.

**[02:00:04.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000889)  
May projected number na po ba ang international conventions, exhibitions, events na inaasahan po natin na dadalhin po ng PIEC kada taon?

**[02:00:15.820] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000890)  
Ano po ang assumption at saan nyo po nakuha itong projections na ito?

**[02:00:19.460] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000891)  
Ang projections po namin, nakuha namin sa Department of Tourism po at data from Singapore and Thailand po.

**[02:00:27.680] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000892)  
1.5 million po ang nakuha po ng Singapore Expo last year.

**[02:00:36.780] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000893)  
And Singapore Expo is only 120,000 square meters.

**[02:00:44.060] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000894)  
And Thailand which is 240,000 square meters, nakakuha po ng 1.2 million.

**[02:00:50.760] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000895)  
Of course, these are developed, we cannot compare.

**[02:00:53.880] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000896)  
So we go at a very low level sa umpisa po.

**[02:00:57.200] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000897)  
Kasi 140,000 po ang makakuha lang tayo ng isa o dalawang event na kalahati po noon.

**[02:01:05.120] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000898)  
Di 140,000 tourists na po.

**[02:01:07.820] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000899)  
Spending at an average of 30,000, malaki na po.

**[02:01:13.580] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000900)  
So, this will be the largest in Southeast Asia with 243,000 square meters.

**[02:01:22.220] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000901)  
And we would like to thank the President for his vision.

**[02:01:26.440] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000902)  
In thinking of...

**[02:01:27.200] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000903)  
To engage in MICE.

**[02:01:29.720] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000904)  
So, at least we are thinking big in economics.

**[02:01:33.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000905)  
So, it aims to represent the country as a nation that is international in its outlook and ambitions

**[02:01:39.880] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000906)  
with a desire to engage with the global community and foster connection.

**[02:01:46.380] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000907)  
The PIEC aims to be a catalyst, not only of MICE events, but a meeting place to showcase not only Philippine products,

**[02:01:54.840] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000908)  
culture, arts, history, and culture.

**[02:01:57.200] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000909)  
But also the Philippines' plan to position itself as a meeting place and trading center of Asian products, culture, people, history, and tradition.

**[02:02:09.960] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000910)  
The PIEC being the biggest exhibition center in Southeast Asia and having the cheapest cost, skilled labor, friendly and English-speaking population,

**[02:02:20.780] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000911)  
and cheap booth construction, and cost to produce.

**[02:02:27.200] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000912)  
These events, for MICE events, among countries with big exhibition center, enhances the reputation of our Southeast Asia.

**[02:02:38.880] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000913)  
Alam niyo po, we had recently signed with the late Docs Kua a memorandum for the League of Governors to give all the provinces 50 square meters to exhibit their indigenous products.

**[02:02:57.200] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000914)  
And we are signing with the cultural center dahil kulang daw sila ng exhibition spaces.

**[02:03:03.080] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000915)  
And with the PIEC, PICC, another MOA po para po makapag-exhibit ang cultural center.

**[02:03:14.160] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000916)  
Mr. Chairman, let me cut you there.

**[02:03:18.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000917)  
Dito lang po ba nakasentro sa inyong presentation sa PIEC na project, ang inyong presentation this afternoon.

**[02:03:25.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000918)  
Otherwise, if we will just be...

**[02:03:27.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000919)  
We will be centered on spend most of our time explaining PIEC.

**[02:03:32.040] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000920)  
Ako pa tatanungin nyo, buhay benta po ito.

**[02:03:34.740] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000921)  
I mean, mabenta po sa akin.

**[02:03:36.480] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000922)  
Kung tatanungin nyo, okay po ito.

**[02:03:38.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000923)  
But I have a few questions and of course, our minority leader would also ask questions.

**[02:03:43.360] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000924)  
We will be happy to answer.

**[02:03:45.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000925)  
Mabilisan lang ito. I hope pa, hindi na po tayo tatagal sa PIEC.

**[02:03:48.640] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000926)  
Maganda po yan.

**[02:03:49.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000927)  
Yung kanina po nag-usap tayo, pinipresent yun sa atin.

**[02:03:53.200] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000928)  
It's a pride of our country, sir.

**[02:03:55.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000929)  
Tanong ko lang po.

**[02:03:57.200] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000930)  
Is it expected po ba na self-sustaining itong PIEC o kailangan pa rin natin na annual government subsidy?

**[02:04:03.360] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000931)  
Wala na po. Wala na pong government subsidy.

**[02:04:05.440] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000932)  
In fact, ang sagot lang po ng national government dito ay yung building lang po.

**[02:04:14.800] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000933)  
Yung pang-furnitures, fixtures, yung mga equipment, yung mga ano, will be shouldered by PRA, yung parking lot po.

**[02:04:25.760] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000934)  
Not the personnel.

**[02:04:26.800] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000935)  
Of course, kailangan po natin mga electricity dyan, water, personnel, pasweldo.

**[02:04:36.100] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000936)  
Ilan tao po ang kakailanganin nyo dyan?

**[02:04:39.240] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000937)  
Dapat po lahat ito, naka-breakdown.

**[02:04:41.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000938)  
On a small scale, all the exhibition centers naman make money.

**[02:04:45.760] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000939)  
Kasi talagang in demand po, katulad po nung eskwelahan po ng misis ko po, in Lyceum,

**[02:04:52.160] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000940)  
they only have 3,000 graduates.

**[02:04:56.800] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000941)  
Hindi sila makapag-graduate po ng sabay-sabay.

**[02:05:01.520] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000942)  
At iniimbita nila isa lang po.

**[02:05:04.260] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000943)  
Kasi wala po tayong exhibition center.

**[02:05:07.020] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000944)  
At malaki po ang binabayad ng bawat isa po na makapaupa po.

**[02:05:13.700] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000945)  
And you multiply this all over, baka sa Pilipinas lang po, fully jump-pack na po ito.

**[02:05:20.420] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000946)  
Kasi ang dami talagang, kulang talaga tayo ng events places.

**[02:05:23.700] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000947)  
As you will know, CSM po.

**[02:05:26.800] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000948)  
Yung opisina po nila, kinalahati nila, giniba nila para makapagtayo ng another exhibition center.

**[02:05:34.560] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000949)  
Yan, makikita nyo po. Manggaling dito, papunta sa Moa.

**[02:05:40.180] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000950)  
Giniba po nila yung offices nila para makapagtayo po ng exhibition center.

**[02:05:45.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000951)  
Ganun po kalaki ang demand na exhibition.

**[02:05:47.780] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000952)  
At ang pangulo po natin ay hindi magpapahuli.

**[02:05:50.620] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000953)  
At nauna po, with this vision, we commend him for...

**[02:05:56.800] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000954)  
for coming up with this project and we are supporting it po.

**[02:06:01.020] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000955)  
Alright, Mr. Chairman. With the indulgence of our minority leader, okay na po sa inyo.

**[02:06:05.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000956)  
Para sa akin eh. Okay na po itong presentation ng PIEC or you have questions pa about PIEC?

**[02:06:11.100] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000957)  
20 pages na lang po.

**[02:06:13.220] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000958)  
Joke. Joke pa, boss.

**[02:06:16.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-000959)  
Go ahead po. Go ahead po, minority leader.

**[02:06:18.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000960)  
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

**[02:06:19.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000961)  
Actually, yung questions ko ay para kay GM at assistant GM.

**[02:06:23.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000962)  
But on this lang, sir.

**[02:06:25.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000963)  
Um...

**[02:06:26.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000964)  
First, eto, public service din. Parang radio program ni Senator Tulfo. May nagpapatanong.

**[02:06:33.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000965)  
Yung Las Piñas wetland park land title, kailan daw po itatransfer ng PRA to DENR?

**[02:06:43.360] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000966)  
See, there was a bill.

**[02:06:45.660] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000967)  
There was a bill to have it transferred.

**[02:06:48.180] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000968)  
And I think it was passed by Congress and the Senate.

**[02:06:53.340] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000969)  
But the President po vetoed the bill.

**[02:06:56.480] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000970)  
At hindi na po itatransfer.

**[02:06:58.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000971)  
So, it will be kept by PRA?

**[02:07:01.980] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000972)  
Opo.

**[02:07:02.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000973)  
Sige. So, malamang yung follow-up question neto sa plenary na, Mr. Chair.

**[02:07:06.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000974)  
At least natanong ko lang.

**[02:07:07.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000975)  
Second, Chair.

**[02:07:09.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000976)  
Sir Chairman, so tama po ba ako?

**[02:07:11.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000977)  
So, yung iniingin yung total na 27 billion will be doon sa development netong PIEC?

**[02:07:18.480] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000978)  
The building lang po.

**[02:07:19.980] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000979)  
At this budget, dumaan lang sa amin as a subsidy.

**[02:07:25.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000980)  
Kasi kami ang may-ari.

**[02:07:27.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000981)  
So, kayo may-ari nung lupa?

**[02:07:29.720] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000982)  
Hindi lang ng lupa. Pati ho nung project.

**[02:07:31.940] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000983)  
Hindi nung mga kami ang magpupuno dahil may konti nga kaming cash.

**[02:07:36.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000984)  
So, that's what I wanted to clarify.

**[02:07:37.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000985)  
Yung lupa na na-reclaim is yung share nyo sa ibang projects.

**[02:07:41.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000986)  
So, rather than flipping it or selling it or bidding it out,

**[02:07:48.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000987)  
you want to see if, yun nga, given such a ambitious good project,

**[02:07:54.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000988)  
you can...

**[02:07:55.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-000989)  
you can do it this way.

**[02:07:57.160] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000990)  
With your indulgence, not only that,

**[02:08:00.760] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000991)  
biglahong tumaas ang presyo po ng lupa namin.

**[02:08:03.700] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000992)  
Kasi this is only 80,000 square.

**[02:08:06.460] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000993)  
We still have 3 million.

**[02:08:08.260] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000994)  
Nung nilagay namin ito...

**[02:08:09.460] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000995)  
And even the other developments.

**[02:08:11.040] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000996)  
Kasi kahit sabihin mong competitor sila,

**[02:08:13.440] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000997)  
pag ganyang kaganda yung katabi,

**[02:08:15.820] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000998)  
tumataas.

**[02:08:16.520] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-000999)  
Diba? Like when ginawa yung Santa Rosa or ginawa BGC,

**[02:08:20.500] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001000)  
ginawa Rockwell,

**[02:08:22.020] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001001)  
automatically tumataas din yung mga katabi.

**[02:08:24.440] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001002)  
64.

**[02:08:25.060] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001003)  
24,000 nga po, two years ago, ang appraisal sa amin.

**[02:08:29.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001004)  
Ngayon po, ang appraisal, 300,000 na po.

**[02:08:31.640] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001005)  
Marami na pong bumili.

**[02:08:32.920] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001006)  
24 hectares na po ang nabili after we have a...

**[02:08:37.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001007)  
So, last two questions.

**[02:08:38.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001008)  
May...

**[02:08:39.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001009)  
Just to support your question kanina,

**[02:08:43.080] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001010)  
Senator Caetano.

**[02:08:45.680] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001011)  
Yung sinasabing nyo po na 27 billion,

**[02:08:48.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001012)  
for your information, minority leader,

**[02:08:50.860] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001013)  
actually, 6 billion po ang inilabas

**[02:08:53.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001014)  
sa unprogrammed appropriations po ng 2024 GAA,

**[02:08:54.780] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001015)  
some appropriations po ng 2024, ga-a.

**[02:08:57.920] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001016)  
Tapos, nagdagdaga ng 6 billion naman,

**[02:09:00.520] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001017)  
contingency fund ng 2026, ga-a.

**[02:09:03.820] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001018)  
So, total na po,

**[02:09:04.920] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001019)  
tapos sumingi po kayo nga ng 5 billion for 2027.

**[02:09:08.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001020)  
So, that will be 17 billion.

**[02:09:10.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001021)  
Ang estimate po, 27.

**[02:09:12.280] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001022)  
So, kulang pa po ng 10 billion.

**[02:09:14.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001023)  
Is that what you're saying?

**[02:09:15.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001024)  
Nasaan na po tayo ngayon sa construction?

**[02:09:18.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001025)  
Ilang percent?

**[02:09:18.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001026)  
Madagdag-dagdagan ko lang po yung katabi.

**[02:09:20.540] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001027)  
We are...

**[02:09:21.360] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001028)  
Alam nyo naman po,

**[02:09:22.200] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001029)  
construction is an S-curve.

**[02:09:23.900] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001030)  
Mabagal po.

**[02:09:24.780] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001031)  
Ang akyat niyan,

**[02:09:26.340] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001032)  
nasa 11% po tayo.

**[02:09:28.960] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001033)  
But the DPWH,

**[02:09:30.800] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001034)  
we have a program of expenditures

**[02:09:33.100] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001035)  
signed by the DPWH.

**[02:09:35.820] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001036)  
Hiningan po namin sila.

**[02:09:38.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001037)  
Sila po ang nagsabi nitong pangangailangan na to.

**[02:09:41.800] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001038)  
Sila ang nagprogram sa amin

**[02:09:43.960] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001039)  
kasi kami, daanan lang ng pera.

**[02:09:47.280] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001040)  
Hindi ko malaman, sila nag-bid.

**[02:09:48.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001041)  
I think what the chairman means is,

**[02:09:50.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001042)  
so how much do you need for 2027?

**[02:09:53.360] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001043)  
Five lang po.

**[02:09:54.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001044)  
Five.

**[02:09:54.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001045)  
And then 2028, five ulit.

**[02:09:57.540] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001046)  
Ten po.

**[02:09:58.580] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001047)  
Pero according to DBM and to Secretary of Public Works,

**[02:10:05.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001048)  
and upon my request,

**[02:10:06.880] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001049)  
ililipat na ho namin sa kanila

**[02:10:08.560] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001050)  
kasi tumatagal yung ikot.

**[02:10:10.060] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001051)  
Although three days lang sa amin,

**[02:10:11.440] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001052)  
ayaw namin hawakan ho yung pera.

**[02:10:13.460] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001053)  
Kasi gusto namin talaga maging successful ang uto

**[02:10:17.460] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001054)  
kasi napakaganda po sa bayan ito.

**[02:10:19.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001055)  
What's the completion date nito, Mr. Chairman?

**[02:10:21.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001056)  
When are we looking at?

**[02:10:23.660] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001057)  
April.

**[02:10:24.780] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001058)  
April 2028.

**[02:10:26.360] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001059)  
So we have already several events lined up

**[02:10:29.120] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001060)  
for April and May 2028.

**[02:10:32.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001061)  
No, on that point,

**[02:10:34.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001062)  
hindi madali maghanap ng pera.

**[02:10:36.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001063)  
But on that point,

**[02:10:38.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001064)  
kung hinahabol ng April 2028,

**[02:10:40.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001065)  
hindi ba too late kung yung 10B 2028 pa ibibigay?

**[02:10:44.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001066)  
Kasi given certain delays and everything,

**[02:10:47.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001067)  
katulad ngayon, it's September.

**[02:10:49.540] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001068)  
Malaki po dito retention po, sir.

**[02:10:52.780] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001069)  
They will have retention

**[02:10:54.120] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001070)  
and I think the construction's final billing

**[02:10:57.020] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001071)  
will not be released

**[02:10:58.500] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001072)  
until they have fully completed.

**[02:11:01.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001073)  
So in your estimation, walang delay

**[02:11:03.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001074)  
basta't mabigay yung 5B in 2027?

**[02:11:07.140] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001075)  
Opo. At kung kakapusin man,

**[02:11:09.300] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001076)  
ay mangungutang po kami,

**[02:11:11.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001077)  
babayaran na lang po nung makukuha ang budget sa 2028.

**[02:11:14.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001078)  
So the next question I was going to ask is,

**[02:11:17.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001079)  
in general, I know there are a lot of components,

**[02:11:19.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001080)  
but are you saying,

**[02:11:20.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001081)  
and of course, kayo naman ang Philippine Reclamation,

**[02:11:24.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001082)  
authority,

**[02:11:26.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001083)  
that okay naman ang reclamation,

**[02:11:28.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001084)  
basta't number one, it's for public purpose,

**[02:11:31.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001085)  
two, it's sustainable,

**[02:11:32.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001086)  
and it follows with the environment?

**[02:11:34.460] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001087)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:11:34.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001088)  
Hindi lang sa pasa yan?

**[02:11:36.060] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001089)  
Hindi po.

**[02:11:36.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001090)  
I'm sure, kahit nasaan ka, private sector, PRA,

**[02:11:39.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001091)  
mal na mal mo ang siyudad mo ng Manila.

**[02:11:41.680] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001092)  
Opo.

**[02:11:42.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001093)  
So basta't public, sustainable?

**[02:11:44.140] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001094)  
Opo.

**[02:11:44.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001095)  
Kahit sa tagig?

**[02:11:45.480] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001096)  
Opo.

**[02:11:46.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001097)  
Okay, very good.

**[02:11:47.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001098)  
So after that, Mr. President,

**[02:11:49.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001099)  
I have some questions for the GM.

**[02:11:51.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001100)  
Go ahead.

**[02:11:52.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001101)  
With your permission, Chairman.

**[02:11:54.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001102)  
Mamaya na ako sa second round.

**[02:11:55.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001103)  
The reason why I want to ask the Chairman,

**[02:11:57.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001104)  
just because sila yung pumirman ng mga letters and everything.

**[02:12:03.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001105)  
So magandang hapon sa PRA family.

**[02:12:06.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001106)  
Congressman Crisologo, nice to see you again.

**[02:12:10.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001107)  
Sir, takidefine lang ang reclamation.

**[02:12:15.900] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001108)  
Your Honor,

**[02:12:16.800] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001109)  
sa aking pagkaintindi po sa reclamation ay isa pong pamamaraan na

**[02:12:21.280] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001110)  
tinatambakan po yung tubig at makikita,

**[02:12:24.120] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001111)  
magkikreate po tayo ng lupa para ito ay gamitin for a certain postponement.

**[02:12:29.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001112)  
Okay.

**[02:12:30.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001113)  
I won't argue with that, Tinagalog mo,

**[02:12:32.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001114)  
but actually sa NEDA-PRA Joint Order No. 01-2015,

**[02:12:38.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001115)  
January 12, 2015,

**[02:12:40.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001116)  
PRA's EO No. 74, Series 2019,

**[02:12:43.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001117)  
the deliberate process of converting foreshore land,

**[02:12:46.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001118)  
submerged areas of bodies of water,

**[02:12:48.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001119)  
into land by filling or other means using dredge fill

**[02:12:52.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001120)  
and other suitable materials,

**[02:12:53.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001121)  
for specific purposes.

**[02:12:55.480] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001122)  
Correct.

**[02:12:56.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001123)  
Okay.

**[02:12:58.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001124)  
Next question po.

**[02:13:05.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001125)  
Are you familiar with the West of Manggahan flood control project?

**[02:13:11.360] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001126)  
What's it?

**[02:13:14.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001127)  
Flood control project.

**[02:13:15.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001128)  
Okay.

**[02:13:15.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001129)  
So you are not familiar with that.

**[02:13:18.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001130)  
That is a March 1997 project.

**[02:13:23.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001131)  
Okay. That is a March 1997 project.

**[02:13:23.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001132)  
That is a 9.411 billion yen ODA project.

**[02:13:29.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001133)  
Is the PRA familiar with the Taguig C6 road dike project?

**[02:13:39.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001134)  
Your Honor,

**[02:13:40.580] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001135)  
pangatloon taong po ko pa ito kasi hindi ko pa po alam kung

**[02:13:43.980] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001136)  
nung pumasok ako dito ay meron na po yan mga control project.

**[02:13:48.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001137)  
Okay.

**[02:13:48.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001138)  
So are you familiar of the development of the Taguig C6,

**[02:13:53.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001139)  
26 road dike and West of Manggahan project

**[02:13:56.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001140)  
between 2007 to 2009?

**[02:13:59.620] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001141)  
Pasit siya na po, Your Honor.

**[02:14:00.720] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001142)  
Hindi po ako familiar.

**[02:14:01.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001143)  
Are you familiar of the opening of the roads

**[02:14:04.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001144)  
and the development of the retaining channels

**[02:14:09.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001145)  
and the pumping stations during Pinoy's time from 2010 to 2016?

**[02:14:15.880] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001146)  
Hindi po, Your Honor.

**[02:14:17.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001147)  
Are you familiar that Secretary Vince Dizon,

**[02:14:21.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001148)  
Secretary Mark Vigilar,

**[02:14:23.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001149)  
Secretary Diokno visited and went in one of the landing sites

**[02:14:29.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001150)  
in that project and said napakaganda nito doblehin natin

**[02:14:33.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001151)  
from two lanes gawin natin four lanes in 2018?

**[02:14:37.220] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001152)  
Your Honor, kung yun po ang sinasabi po ng ating Department of Public Works and Highways,

**[02:14:44.420] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001153)  
sumasangayon po ang PRA sa mga development.

**[02:14:47.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001154)  
Okay.

**[02:14:47.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001155)  
So are you familiar that in the year 2020 kasama si Congressman Crisolo,

**[02:14:53.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001156)  
there was a 14 billion allotment?

**[02:15:00.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001163)  
Para gumawa ng right-of-way or flyover from the Laguna Lake going to a certain highway of the San Miguel Corp.

**[02:15:17.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001164)  
That was unacceptable to Taguigenos because more than 10,000 houses would have been demolished and there are more than 1,000 ancestors.

**[02:15:28.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001165)  
Are you familiar with that?

**[02:15:30.460] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001166)  
Your Honor, again, hindi po ako familiar.

**[02:15:34.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001167)  
Okay sa akin kung hindi ka familiar doon.

**[02:15:36.760] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001168)  
Meron po kaming kasama dito po si Attorney Literal na siya pong nauna sa amin dito sa kanyang...

**[02:15:42.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001169)  
Okay, I will transfer to him. Please feel free to interject anytime.

**[02:15:45.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001170)  
But siguro ang unang lesson sa inyo, huwag kayong pipirma ng sulat or magsasalita kung hindi ka familiar.

**[02:15:54.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001171)  
Di ba? Di sana ang sumulat at ang magsalita ay yung siya.

**[02:15:59.760] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001172)  
Noted.

**[02:16:00.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001173)  
Atty. Joseph Literal, sir, are you familiar with the West of Manggahan project?

**[02:16:08.400] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001174)  
Sir, yung sa flood?

**[02:16:13.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001175)  
Yes, it's a ODAF project sealed by Secretary Vigilar and then implemented during GMA's time na.

**[02:16:25.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001176)  
Secretary Datumanong, are you familiar?

**[02:16:28.060] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001177)  
Yes, sir, pero hindi po.

**[02:16:30.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001178)  
As PRA po.

**[02:16:30.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001179)  
Okay.

**[02:16:31.100] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001180)  
But I'm familiar.

**[02:16:31.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001181)  
You're familiar.

**[02:16:32.720] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001182)  
Opo.

**[02:16:33.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001183)  
Kasi, but sir, kayo galing kayo DNR, di ba?

**[02:16:36.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001184)  
Sino pong galing DNR?

**[02:16:39.140] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001185)  
Your Honor.

**[02:16:40.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001186)  
Kailan ka nag-NCR, sir?

**[02:16:42.940] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001187)  
DNR po, 1986 po.

**[02:16:47.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001188)  
Oh, matagal ka na.

**[02:16:47.960] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001189)  
Pero sa Environmental Management Bureau po ako natin.

**[02:16:50.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001190)  
Okay, okay.

**[02:16:52.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001191)  
So, sir, are you familiar that there were three possible alignments of the Manggahan floodway?

**[02:17:00.000] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001192)  
Sir, I'm just familiar with what is existing.

**[02:17:05.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001193)  
So, the three alignments was inland, tapos yung sa tubig, tapos doon sa yung present alignment ngayon.

**[02:17:15.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001194)  
So, are you familiar with the present alignment ngayon?

**[02:17:18.000] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001195)  
The C6, Your Honor?

**[02:17:21.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001196)  
Yes.

**[02:17:22.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001197)  
Ilan hektarya ng existing land, hindi for land.

**[02:17:26.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001198)  
Existing land is outside the dike.

**[02:17:30.000] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001199)  
Hindi pa ako familiar sa exacto.

**[02:17:35.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001200)  
Pero ang dami nang lumalabas sa news na iniimbestigahan niyo, 90 hectares, 170 hectares, hindi niyo man lang kinokorek ang media.

**[02:17:45.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001201)  
How many hectares is outside the dike?

**[02:17:48.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001202)  
Your Honor, actually, we have used the GIS.

**[02:17:55.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001203)  
Since when yung GIS?

**[02:17:58.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001204)  
Ginamit niyo yung ano, di ba?

**[02:17:59.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001205)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:18:00.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001206)  
From when?

**[02:18:02.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001207)  
Sir, we're doing...

**[02:18:03.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001208)  
Yes, what date?

**[02:18:04.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001209)  
Since early 2000 until present.

**[02:18:09.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001210)  
Okay. Ano ang sinabi sa akin ni Secretary Vigilar nung 1999? Do you know?

**[02:18:15.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001211)  
Hindi. Not aware.

**[02:18:17.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001212)  
So, he told me, hindi ko muna sasabihin sa iyo kung ilan daan hektarya, na pag ginawa yung dike as is, mag-eerode yung lupa. Kasi nasa labas siya ng dike.

**[02:18:28.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001213)  
So, will your aerial show the historical land-ownings of LLDA or will it only give you a partial picture?

**[02:18:44.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001214)  
Your Honor, actually, the GIS and the satellite viewing using the backtracking on the years,

**[02:18:56.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001215)  
it would only show not what is shore land or other areas but only what has been submerged before and what is now covered.

**[02:19:07.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001216)  
Yes, noong 2000.

**[02:19:08.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001217)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:19:09.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001218)  
O ano bang taon ang batas ng LLDA? 1960s, 1970s? O gano kalalim ang lake ng 1960s? Alam mo? O more or less 30 feet, more or less 10 meters. Gano kalalim ang Laguna Lake ngayon?

**[02:19:25.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001219)  
Sir, about 3 or 4 meters.

**[02:19:27.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001220)  
Gano kadaming puno na naputol sa Laguna at saka sa Luizal?

**[02:19:31.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001221)  
Honestly, wala po.

**[02:19:34.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001222)  
Gano karami na nag-eerode?

**[02:19:36.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001223)  
So, tanungin ko sa inyo ngayon, are you familiar with torrents, land titling?

**[02:19:42.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001224)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:19:43.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001225)  
So, kung nagkaroon ng torrents, meron siyang land title 30 years ago, walang nag-dispute, walang problema.

**[02:19:51.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001226)  
Dahil nagka dike, tumaas yung torrents.

**[02:19:54.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001227)  
Tumaas yung tubig, nakuha yung part ng tubig. Is that now not a titled land anymore?

**[02:20:00.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001228)  
Sir, it's still a titled land.

**[02:20:02.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001229)  
But sa media, anong pinapalabas?

**[02:20:08.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001230)  
Did you make those qualifications sa media na we're still looking, na marami kaming hindi alam dyan?

**[02:20:15.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001231)  
Sir, we just gave an estimate on the area which were previously underwater,

**[02:20:22.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001232)  
which are now dry land, Mr. Chair.

**[02:20:28.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001233)  
Vis-a-vis what? You don't even know how many dry land was there historically.

**[02:20:34.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001234)  
Nandun sa papeles ng JICA, sinubmit sa JICA, 27 years ago, 1,300 hectares.

**[02:20:43.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001235)  
There is 1,300 hectares of land outside the lake.

**[02:20:49.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001236)  
I do not know how much is titled or not because hindi naman ako LRA.

**[02:20:55.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001237)  
Diba? O, let me continue.

**[02:20:59.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001238)  
So, do you agree with the definition of the GM dun sa reclamation?

**[02:21:08.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001239)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[02:21:09.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001240)  
Okay. Yung binasa ko, tama?

**[02:21:11.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001241)  
That's under our policy, Your Honor.

**[02:21:14.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001242)  
So, are you familiar with the 2007 construction of the C6?

**[02:21:19.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001243)  
Sa road dike?

**[02:21:20.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001244)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[02:21:21.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001245)  
Okay. Are you, 2013, panahon ni Pinoy, are you familiar with the development there?

**[02:21:28.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001246)  
With the project, the lakeshore project which did not push through, yes, Sir, Your Honor.

**[02:21:35.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001247)  
Diba pa yun? 2015 yun. Yun yung C6 na 8 lanes, diba?

**[02:21:40.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001248)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:21:41.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001249)  
Kumuha ba ng permit sa PRA yun?

**[02:21:45.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001250)  
Binid yun, diba? Hindi lang natuloy.

**[02:21:47.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001251)  
Yes, Po.

**[02:21:48.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001252)  
Kumuha ba ng permit sa PRA?

**[02:21:50.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001253)  
Hindi, Po.

**[02:21:51.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001254)  
How about yung Manggahan-Cladway? Kumuha ba ng permit sa PRA yun?

**[02:21:55.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001255)  
Hindi rin, Po.

**[02:21:56.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001256)  
Pero do you classify that as a reclamation?

**[02:21:58.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001257)  
Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir.

**[02:22:01.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001258)  
Pero hindi kumuha ng permit sa inyo?

**[02:22:02.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001259)  
Yes, Po.

**[02:22:03.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001260)  
Okay. So, sa yung panahon ni Pinoy na hindi rin kumuha?

**[02:22:07.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001261)  
Hindi, Po.

**[02:22:08.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001262)  
Okay. Sa House of Representatives, tinanong sa inyo whether or not in other parts of the Laguna Lake, Rizal, Laguna,

**[02:22:16.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001263)  
kung kumuha ng permit sa inyo sa reclamation, meron ba?

**[02:22:19.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001264)  
Wala, Po.

**[02:22:20.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001265)  
Wala? As of now, wala?

**[02:22:22.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001266)  
Wala, Po.

**[02:22:23.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001267)  
Okay. So, pero pag meron reclamation doon, na nakita niyo ngayon, kahit siya ay sa gobyerno, you will ask the DPWH to stop it?

**[02:22:35.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001268)  
No, that's part of our complete stop work, Your Honor. Hingi po kami ng records and then we'll have them comply.

**[02:22:43.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001269)  
Oh, did you ask the DPWH for the records for the Tagalog?

**[02:22:45.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001270)  
Yes, Your Honor.

**[02:22:48.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001271)  
And then, kailan niyo sinabing cease and desist?

**[02:22:52.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001272)  
Even before that, Sir, meron na po kaming show cause on the Laguna Lakeshore Road Network.

**[02:23:03.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001273)  
Kanino niyo in-issue, Sir, ang show cause?

**[02:23:05.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001274)  
Sa DPWH, Po.

**[02:23:07.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001275)  
Do you have a copy?

**[02:23:09.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001276)  
We have a letter since 2024.

**[02:23:12.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001277)  
2020?

**[02:23:13.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001278)  
Four.

**[02:23:14.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001279)  
Two?

**[02:23:15.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001280)  
2024?

**[02:23:16.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001281)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:23:17.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001282)  
So, kay Secretary Bonoan pa lang?

**[02:23:18.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001283)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:23:19.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001284)  
Okay. So, pinatigil niyo rin ba yung Laguna Lake Road Network?

**[02:23:25.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001285)  
Your Honor, we asked for the details and whether there is a reclamation and then they answered that it's just a road network and they are making sure through PRA that there would be no reclamation.

**[02:23:40.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001286)  
Very good. Can I see the picture of the LLRN?

**[02:23:45.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001287)  
Kaming po dito.

**[02:23:47.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001288)  
So, take note, Mr. Chairman, Mr. GM. Sabi ng Deputy GM niyo, kapag katagig, kailangan may complete staff work. Kailangan kunin lahat. Pero pag ibang part ng Laguna Lake, okay lang yung sabi-sabi ng DPWH. Hindi niya hiningi yung papers eh. Sinabi niya, okay lang sa inyo na tanungin lang sila.

**[02:24:11.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001289)  
At ang sinabi daw, there is no reclamation.

**[02:24:14.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001290)  
Ano tawag mo sa kulay pula at kulay blue na yun? Which is about anywhere between 100 to 100 meters from the shoreline to 1 kilometer from the shoreline. Ano tawag mo dyan? 8 lanes yan sa tubig gagawin. Hindi reclamation yan?

**[02:24:35.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001291)  
Actually, Your Honor…

**[02:24:38.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001292)  
Nasa website yan ng LLDA.

**[02:24:40.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001293)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:24:41.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001294)  
Nasa website yan ng DPWH.

**[02:24:42.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001295)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:24:43.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001296)  
So, hindi reclamation yan?

**[02:24:45.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001297)  
Reclamation.

**[02:24:46.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001298)  
Sa definition niyo, reclamation yan, di ba?

**[02:24:48.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001299)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:24:49.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001300)  
So, sa iyo hindi reclamation yan?

**[02:24:50.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001301)  
Reclamation, Sir.

**[02:24:51.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001302)  
Bakit hindi niyo in-issue ng cease of business?

**[02:24:53.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001303)  
Sir, there is…

**[02:24:54.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001304)  
Kasi hindi tagig yan?

**[02:24:55.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001305)  
Ano, Sir?

**[02:24:56.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001306)  
Sabi mo kanina eh, kapag meron kayong nakita, ipapa-full staff work niyo. Sabi niyo, ang tagig, pinul staff work niyo.

**[02:25:03.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001307)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:25:04.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001308)  
Nung tinanong ko sa iyo, paano naman yung Laguna Lake Road Network, tinanong mo lang sa DPWH. At sinagot na walang reclamation. Ano tawag mo?

**[02:25:12.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001309)  
Sir, there is…

**[02:25:13.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001310)  
Ano tawag mo diyan, Sir? Sagutin mo nalang tanong ko, please. Ano tawag mo diyan? Hindi ba reclamation yan?

**[02:25:19.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001311)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:25:20.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001312)  
O, under your definition, reclamation yan?

**[02:25:22.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001313)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:25:23.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001314)  
O, ba't hindi niyo isis and desis?

**[02:25:24.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001315)  
Actually, Sir, they have committed to realign, redesign the project…

**[02:25:29.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001316)  
They're not. They're building it already.

**[02:25:31.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001317)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:25:32.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001318)  
O, they're building it already.

**[02:25:33.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001319)  
Sir, yes, Sir.

**[02:25:34.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001320)  
How many times bigger yan, yung pinag-uusapan natin sa tagig?

**[02:25:38.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001321)  
Sir, they would be complying with our requirements.

**[02:25:41.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001322)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:25:42.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001323)  
How will they comply with your requirements? While they're doing it now, they're building.

**[02:25:48.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001324)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:25:49.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001325)  
Hindi ba requirement niyo bago mag-reclaim, kailangan kompleto pati sa checklist?

**[02:25:53.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001326)  
That's for regular reclamation, Your Honor.

**[02:25:56.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001327)  
O, ano ba itong tawag sakali?

**[02:25:58.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001328)  
But there are instances wherein this had been approved by the government, but because they did not go through the PRA process, they would have a post facto compliance.

**[02:26:09.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001329)  
No, no, no, Sir. Huwag mo akong bulahin.

**[02:26:11.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001330)  
Huwag mo akong bulahin. Yung post niyo, binasa ko yung rules niyo.

**[02:26:15.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001331)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:26:16.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001332)  
Ang sinasabi dito, kapag ka ang national government or local government ay nag-reclaim at unauthorized, pwede silang mag-apply na mapunta sa kanila. Hindi ibig sabihin na pag wala silang permit, pwede lang ituloy-tuloy.

**[02:26:28.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001333)  
So, you have to decide now. Do you have jurisdiction over LLDA or not? If you have, then you have to stop all of the illegal reclamation.

**[02:26:38.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001334)  
Ongoing ngayon yung DPWH project.

**[02:26:40.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001335)  
Na damuhala ang laki compared sa tagig. Na hindi nag-submit sa inyo ng feasibility study. Na hindi nag-submit sa inyo ng environmental study. So, you will ignore that? Bakit?

**[02:26:54.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001336)  
No, Sir.

**[02:26:55.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001337)  
No, you're ignoring it now. You're not asking them to stop it.

**[02:26:58.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001338)  
Sir, we are now coordinating.

**[02:27:00.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001339)  
No, no, no, no. You're not coordinating. You do not have a letter to cease and desist. You do not have a letter to show cause.

**[02:27:05.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001340)  
Sir, we have a letter with the DPWH.

**[02:27:08.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001341)  
Telling them to stop it.

**[02:27:09.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001342)  
Telling them to stop it.

**[02:27:10.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001343)  
And then they also filed, Sir, the information about the LLRN, Your Honor. It's part of our CSW at present.

**[02:27:20.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001344)  
Okay. Sundan ko, Honorable Board, sundan ko logic ng inyong deputy. So, kung yan ang gawin ng tagig, wala na tayong problema?

**[02:27:30.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001345)  
Sir, yes, Sir.

**[02:27:32.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001346)  
So, pag sinubmit nila yung information, tapos pinakita nila ng gobyerno.

**[02:27:35.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001347)  
Sir, we'll go through the process, Your Honor.

**[02:27:37.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001348)  
Of the regularization of the unauthorized projects.

**[02:27:42.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001349)  
Okay. So, I'll ask you. Hindi sinasubmit sa inyo ng DPWH kasi sa Friday nandito sila. Sino proponent ng LLRN?

**[02:27:50.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001350)  
Sir, it's Laguna Lake Development Authority and DPWH.

**[02:27:53.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001351)  
No, no, no. No, it's DPWH.

**[02:27:55.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001352)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:27:56.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001353)  
Okay. O, sino ang proponent ng mga sinisist and desist nyo sa tagig?

**[02:28:00.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001354)  
DPWH also, Your Honor.

**[02:28:01.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001355)  
O, sila din eh.

**[02:28:02.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001356)  
Kaya po.

**[02:28:03.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001357)  
O, so you're, no. I want to get information from you now.

**[02:28:05.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001358)  
So that I can confirm.

**[02:28:06.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001359)  
So that I can confront them on Friday.

**[02:28:08.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001360)  
So, you're telling me now sa LLRN.

**[02:28:12.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001361)  
Sila po.

**[02:28:13.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001362)  
Nagko-coordinate sila. Pero sa tagig projects hindi sila nagko-coordinate.

**[02:28:16.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001363)  
Sir, nagko-coordinate din po sila.

**[02:28:17.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001364)  
O, eh bakit mo sinisist and desist yung isa? Nagko-coordinate na pala eh.

**[02:28:20.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001365)  
Sir, that's part of the cease and desist order.

**[02:28:24.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001366)  
No, I'm trying to see, Sir.

**[02:28:25.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001367)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:28:26.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001368)  
If you're doing selective justice here. You have two projects. One is more than ten times bigger. One is ten times smaller. Same proponent.

**[02:28:36.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001369)  
One is even more useful than the other. May gumagamit na ba nung highway ngayon?

**[02:28:41.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001370)  
Nung LLRN, Sir?

**[02:28:42.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001371)  
Oo.

**[02:28:43.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001372)  
Wala pa po.

**[02:28:44.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001373)  
Oo. So, wala pang public use yun?

**[02:28:45.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001374)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:28:46.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001375)  
Sir, with your permission, Mr. Chairman. This is a one-minute video. Can you show the one-minute video?

**[02:29:02.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001376)  
Yes?

**[02:29:06.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001377)  
Yes, Sir.

**[02:29:13.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001378)  
O, Mr. Literal. That is the linear park na ginagawa ngayon. That is public use. Hindi private yan.

**[02:29:25.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001379)  
Pag Christmas, 30,000 people a night dun sa 2 hectare na yan. Pwera pa dun. Okay. Hindi ba yan ay public use?

**[02:29:36.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001380)  
Hindi.

**[02:29:37.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001381)  
Okay. Yung tinap niyo, shophouses.

**[02:29:41.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001382)  
Ano pa?

**[02:29:42.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001383)  
Shophouses. Singapore. Lahat ng Pilipino sinasabi, sanang may ganito tayo sa Pilipinas. Ginagawa ngayon. Yung katabi, I'm not at liberty to tell you who designed it. He's one of the best designers in the country na environmentalist na ginagamit ng national government.

**[02:30:00.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001384)  
Ang katabi na susunod na gagawin ay yung parang fund to make sure na walang erosion para sa environment.

**[02:30:07.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001385)  
Did you know that yun ang isang STINAP niya?

**[02:30:12.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001386)  
Did you know that?

**[02:30:13.400] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001387)  
No, sir.

**[02:30:15.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001388)  
Have you ever written the city of Taguig to ask about the project?

**[02:30:20.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001389)  
Sir, we have written the city of Taguig last October 2025.

**[02:30:23.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001390)  
No, no, that's not my question. My question is, have you ever written the city of Taguig to ask them about the projects?

**[02:30:31.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001391)  
About the lots.

**[02:30:32.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001392)  
Okay. Ang sinasabi mo, nagsalita ka sa bilyonaryo, ang sabi niyo po, sir, may show cost order kayo sa city.

**[02:30:44.160] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001393)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:30:45.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001394)  
Can you show me sa letter, saan nakalagay dito show cost?

**[02:30:49.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001395)  
Binasa ko yung letter pa ulit-ulit. Ang nakalagay dito, ma'am, pakibigay yung mga tito.

**[02:30:53.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001396)  
Ang nakalagay dito, ma'am, ano yung project? Wala pong nakalagay dito show cost. Wala po.

**[02:31:02.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001397)  
Ang nakalagay dito, itong mga lupa na ito may titolo, pakita titolo sa PRA.

**[02:31:07.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001398)  
Ang nakapirma po dito, sir, kayo po. Kaya kayo po tinatanong kasi taga-DNR po kayo.

**[02:31:13.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001399)  
So, balikan ko yun, sir, ha?

**[02:31:15.260] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001400)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:31:15.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001401)  
Sir, kung magtatanong tayo ng titolo, saan po tayo magtatanong?

**[02:31:21.360] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001402)  
Ang mga titolo po ay hinahawakan.

**[02:31:23.980] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001403)  
Hinahawakan po ng Land Management Bureau.

**[02:31:27.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001404)  
Okay. So, alam nyo ba, sir, na inibitahan ng staff ko si chairman sa opisina ko nung sinulat nyo ito?

**[02:31:33.380] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001405)  
Opo.

**[02:31:34.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001406)  
Alam nyo kung anong sinabi namin?

**[02:31:36.220] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001407)  
Hindi ko po alam, sir.

**[02:31:37.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001408)  
Sabi namin, ayaw namin magmukakay yung incompetent sa PRA.

**[02:31:41.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001409)  
Kasi, sino ang susulat sa mayor para humingi ng titolo?

**[02:31:44.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001410)  
Hindi naman po registrar of deeds ang asawa ko, eh.

**[02:31:48.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001411)  
Ang mayor po, hindi naman na ano, eh.

**[02:31:50.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001412)  
Ito po, project ng DPWH.

**[02:31:52.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001413)  
Lahat ng lupa po na nandyan ay pagmamay-ari ng LLDA under a Republic Act.

**[02:32:01.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001414)  
Kaya nung pagdaan ni chairman, if you remember, chairman, sa plenary wala po kayo.

**[02:32:09.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001415)  
So, hinanap ko po kayo.

**[02:32:11.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001416)  
Dahil matagal na kaming magkaibigan nung pamilya ni chairman, pati nung tatay niya ay kaibigan na kaibigan ng tatay ko.

**[02:32:18.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001417)  
Ang kapatid niya ay kabatch ko, di ba?

**[02:32:22.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001418)  
Ang mga pinsan niya, kaibigan ko.

**[02:32:24.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001419)  
Pagdaan sa office ko, tinanong lang, sir, ano problema?

**[02:32:28.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001420)  
At tinanong ko ng staff ko, sir, ba't kayo nagtatanong ng titolo sa mayor at may problema ba dito?

**[02:32:34.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001421)  
Kaya sabi niya, hindi, mag-coordinate na lang.

**[02:32:36.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001422)  
At sinabi ng staff ko, sir, ang magko-coordinate, DPWH, kasi hindi naman po project ng tagig yan, eh.

**[02:32:43.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001423)  
Project ng DPWH.

**[02:32:44.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001424)  
Kaya ang tinanong pa nga ni chairman, kailangan ko ba maghintay dahil birthday nung anak niya?

**[02:32:49.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001425)  
At tinawagan ako ng staff ko, sabi ko, hindi, hindi.

**[02:32:52.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001426)  
Kaya ako lang sila gusto makausap para linawin sa budget, pero kung namamadali at kung mag-uusap-usap naman lahat ng opisina natin, bakit hindi?

**[02:33:00.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001427)  
Tama, chairman? More or less?

**[02:33:02.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001428)  
More or less lang, di ba?

**[02:33:04.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001429)  
Oh, so meron po ba akong pananakot sa PRA?

**[02:33:08.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001430)  
With the indulgence of the minority leader.

**[02:33:11.160] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001431)  
I just have two quick questions.

**[02:33:12.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001432)  
Oh, go ahead.

**[02:33:13.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001433)  
Very quick lang.

**[02:33:14.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001434)  
I would like to address this to the PRA.

**[02:33:17.180] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001435)  
When is the approval of PRA needed for reclamation project?

**[02:33:22.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001436)  
Can any one of you answer that?

**[02:33:25.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001437)  
Attorney literal.

**[02:33:26.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001438)  
Kailan ika nga ang kailangan ng approval ng PRA para sa isang reclamation project?

**[02:33:33.760] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001439)  
When?

**[02:33:34.680] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001440)  
Sir, under our present, they need approval in all types of reclamations for whatever purpose, Mr.

**[02:33:43.500] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001441)  
Okay.

**[02:33:44.640] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001442)  
So, actually, lahat kailangan.

**[02:33:46.820] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001443)  
Hindi kailangan na yung approval ng DA, hindi kailangan.

**[02:33:50.620] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001444)  
Kailangan lahat.

**[02:33:52.060] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001445)  
Pag reclamation.

**[02:33:53.020] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001446)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:33:53.480] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001447)  
Alright.

**[02:33:54.000] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001448)  
One last quick question.

**[02:33:56.320] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-001449)  
What does Taguig need para ikang malift yung ikang cease and desist order?

**[02:34:05.120] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001450)  
Sir, wala.

**[02:34:06.280] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001451)  
Sir, may CDO po kami sa DPWH.

**[02:34:10.620] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001452)  
Sa Taguig City po, yun lang pong letter na yun, Mr. Chair.

**[02:34:14.760] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001453)  
And your honor.

**[02:34:15.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001454)  
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

**[02:34:17.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001455)  
Pasensya na po kayo.

**[02:34:18.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001456)  
I'm not emotional at you.

**[02:34:22.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001457)  
Ang tagigin nyo, more than 500 years na.

**[02:34:28.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001458)  
Before 2003, even nung impeachment ni President Erap, kumulan ng October hanggang January, baha kami.

**[02:34:37.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001459)  
Wala kaming mga main road.

**[02:34:40.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001460)  
Buti ang Makati, may Buendia, may Makati Avenue, may Pasay.

**[02:34:47.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001461)  
Diba?

**[02:34:47.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001462)  
Nagawa lang yung Cayetano Boulevard.

**[02:34:49.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001463)  
Tapos itong General Santos.

**[02:34:50.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001464)  
Doon sa tinatanong ko sa inyo, kung pamilyar kayo doon sa isa.

**[02:34:55.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001465)  
So, pag pinag-usapan ang syudad namin, you can investigate.

**[02:35:00.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001466)  
Everyone is open.

**[02:35:02.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001467)  
Actually, Mr. Chairman, I'll take the opportunity, kahit sa colleagues natin.

**[02:35:06.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001468)  
I'd like to be magnanimous.

**[02:35:07.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001469)  
I thank them for bringing up this issue.

**[02:35:10.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001470)  
Ang issue ko ay sa DPWH at LLDA at saka sa inyo, tatlo kayong gobyerno.

**[02:35:15.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001471)  
Ba't hindi kayo mag-usap?

**[02:35:16.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001472)  
So, attorney, nakausap mo na ba si Secretary Vince Dizon?

**[02:35:21.700] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001473)  
Yes po.

**[02:35:22.600] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001474)  
Actually, sir, hindi.

**[02:35:23.640] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001475)  
Yung USEC po.

**[02:35:24.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001476)  
Sinong USEC po?

**[02:35:26.440] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001477)  
Sir, for the LLRN, it's USEC sa Dain.

**[02:35:29.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001478)  
For the Taguig Project.

**[02:35:30.540] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001479)  
For the Taguig Project, it's the USEC for the District Engineer, sir.

**[02:35:36.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001480)  
Hindi pa kayo nagkaayos?

**[02:35:37.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001481)  
Hindi pa nasubmit lahat?

**[02:35:38.880] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001482)  
Sir, nasubmit na po sa amin.

**[02:35:40.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001483)  
Eh, bakit? Meron pang cease and desist order.

**[02:35:43.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001484)  
By the way, Mr. Chairman, walang pondo yun.

**[02:35:46.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001485)  
Kaya kahit hindi nyo sinis and desist, may isa lang na tinatapos na project doon.

**[02:35:50.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001486)  
At yung nasa dyaryo na nag-aayos, bumagyo kasi, nagpaalam sila sa DP na ayusin para hindi bumaksak.

**[02:35:58.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001487)  
Kasi tinanong ko rin eh, sa DP, ano nangyayari sa inyo?

**[02:36:03.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001488)  
Kaya yung sinabi ni Secretary Dizon na I'm ordering cease and desist, inorderan niya, sarili niyang tao eh.

**[02:36:09.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001489)  
Kayo ang nag-order sa kanya.

**[02:36:11.680] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001490)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:36:12.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001491)  
Diba?

**[02:36:12.640] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001492)  
Sir, sa amin, sir, sa DP daw.

**[02:36:13.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001493)  
Agree.

**[02:36:14.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001494)  
So, kalukuhan yung pag-order niya sa sarili niyang tao kasi siya ang inorderan nyo.

**[02:36:19.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001495)  
Okay, number two.

**[02:36:20.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001496)  
So, wala naman siyang isi-cease and desist doon sa haba na pinapakita sa media.

**[02:36:25.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001497)  
Kasi hanggang ngayon, yung 2026 budget, hindi nila binibid at hindi nila nilalabas.

**[02:36:31.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001498)  
So, wala rin siyang umumpisahan kasi wala rin kontratista na natutuloy doon sa ibang project riyon.

**[02:36:36.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001499)  
Having said that, sir, what about sa City of Muntinlupa?

**[02:36:40.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001500)  
Did you write them also?

**[02:36:42.440] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001501)  
Yes, yes.

**[02:36:43.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001502)  
When did you write them, sir?

**[02:36:44.540] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001503)  
Sir, the report was part of the...

**[02:36:50.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001504)  
More or less lang, sir.

**[02:36:52.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001505)  
More or less lang.

**[02:36:53.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001506)  
Anong year yun?

**[02:36:54.600] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001507)  
September 2 ng 2025.

**[02:36:58.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001508)  
How about the part...

**[02:37:00.400] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001509)  
Sir, 2026, sir.

**[02:37:01.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001510)  
2026.

**[02:37:02.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001511)  
Okay, 2026.

**[02:37:03.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001512)  
So, in anong year?

**[02:37:06.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001513)  
So, in 2015, 2010, 2020, hindi nyo sila sinulatan?

**[02:37:13.200] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001514)  
Sorry, sir. Wala pa ako po.

**[02:37:14.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001515)  
Hindi nyo ba check-in muna bago nyo sulatan ng isang syudad?

**[02:37:20.240] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001516)  
Sir...

**[02:37:20.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001517)  
Do you have any institutional memory?

**[02:37:23.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001518)  
Meron ba ditong sa legal nyo na napakatagal na nandyan sa PRA?

**[02:37:27.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001519)  
Di ba ang PRA, ang batas nyo, 1977?

**[02:37:32.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001520)  
So, before 2025, sumusulat ba kayo sa anywhere in Laguna Lake?

**[02:37:40.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001521)  
I will go to my point, Mr. Chairman.

**[02:37:42.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001522)  
To your memory.

**[02:37:48.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001523)  
Hmm.

**[02:37:50.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001524)  
Meron ba, sirs, ma'am?

**[02:37:53.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001525)  
Institutional memory.

**[02:37:55.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001526)  
So, we can go back to that, ha?

**[02:37:58.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001527)  
Pasig rehabilitation.

**[02:37:59.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001528)  
Sinulatan nyo to stop?

**[02:38:02.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001529)  
To get a permit?

**[02:38:04.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001530)  
Tingnan nga natin yung picture ng Pasig Rehabilitation.

**[02:38:11.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001531)  
Pasig River Rehabilitation Project.

**[02:38:16.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001532)  
O, yung part na yan na hanging over the water.

**[02:38:20.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001533)  
Di ba?

**[02:38:20.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001534)  
Di ba?

**[02:38:20.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001535)  
Di ba?

**[02:38:20.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001536)  
Under your definition, reclamation yan?

**[02:38:23.160] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001537)  
Sir, kapag naka-stilts, hindi po.

**[02:38:25.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001538)  
O.

**[02:38:26.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001539)  
San sa regulation yung nakalagay?

**[02:38:29.280] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001540)  
Kasi wala, sir, permanent dumping, ano, lahok filling up.

**[02:38:33.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001541)  
Eh, yung stilts?

**[02:38:33.980] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001542)  
Hindi po siya, hindi po siya, ano, doon sa definition ng filling up po.

**[02:38:38.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001543)  
O, so, anything na stilts, hindi?

**[02:38:41.280] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001544)  
Hindi po.

**[02:38:41.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001545)  
Okay.

**[02:38:42.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001546)  
Eh, yung part na, ano, in-extend from the side ng river.

**[02:38:47.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001547)  
Kung one meter lang yun.

**[02:38:48.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001548)  
Assuming, assuming one meter.

**[02:38:49.880] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001549)  
Sir.

**[02:38:50.520] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001550)  
Um, ang kailangan po namin muna, your honor, is yung, kung, yung survey.

**[02:38:57.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001551)  
Kaya nga.

**[02:38:57.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001552)  
Because sometimes.

**[02:38:58.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001553)  
Kina ba kumuha ng permit sa inyo?

**[02:39:00.200] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001554)  
Ano po?

**[02:39:00.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001555)  
Kumuha ba ang Pasig Rehabilitation?

**[02:39:03.040] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001556)  
Ah, hindi po.

**[02:39:03.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001557)  
Hindi.

**[02:39:04.040] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001558)  
Hindi rin po.

**[02:39:04.840] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001559)  
Hindi rin po.

**[02:39:05.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001560)  
So, by the way, Mr. Chairman, ha, baka magkamali, ha.

**[02:39:08.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001561)  
I support the LLRN.

**[02:39:10.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001562)  
I support the Pasig, the, the Malacanang is doing a very good job in that.

**[02:39:15.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001563)  
This is what I want to point out.

**[02:39:17.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001564)  
Pagka tagig lakeshore,

**[02:39:18.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001565)  
sinisilip nyo lahat.

**[02:39:22.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001566)  
Pero pag Pasig River, hindi.

**[02:39:25.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001567)  
Pag ibang parts ng Laguna Lake, hindi.

**[02:39:29.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001568)  
So, balik tayo sa Laguna Lake.

**[02:39:32.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001569)  
Sino ang may jurisdiction sa Laguna Lake?

**[02:39:35.520] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001570)  
Sir, actually, sir, we have overlapping jurisdiction with LLDA.

**[02:39:39.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001571)  
Sige po.

**[02:39:40.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001572)  
Kayo, sir, lawyer, di ba?

**[02:39:41.640] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001573)  
Yes po.

**[02:39:42.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001574)  
Okay.

**[02:39:42.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001575)  
When you have overlapping jurisdiction, you look at its source.

**[02:39:47.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001576)  
Tama, sir?

**[02:39:47.880] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001577)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:39:48.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001578)  
So, your source is your law and the law ng LLDA?

**[02:39:52.040] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001579)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:39:52.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001580)  
Okay.

**[02:39:53.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001581)  
And has LLDA in the past ever signified that they have exclusive jurisdiction over the Laguna Lake?

**[02:40:04.100] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001582)  
Sir, they have, sir.

**[02:40:04.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001583)  
They have, di ba?

**[02:40:05.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001584)  
And has PRA respected that?

**[02:40:09.280] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001585)  
Actually, we secured opinions from…

**[02:40:11.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001586)  
No, no.

**[02:40:11.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001587)  
Sagutin mo muna tanong ko, then we'll go to that.

**[02:40:14.280] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001588)  
No, sir.

**[02:40:14.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001589)  
So, it is only in 2025 that you first…

**[02:40:18.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001590)  
When you first started to write everyone to try to assert jurisdiction, tama po ba?

**[02:40:25.100] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001591)  
Hindi po.

**[02:40:25.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001592)  
Kailan po?

**[02:40:26.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001593)  
Before 2025, kailan kayo sumulat?

**[02:40:29.180] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001594)  
Actually, sir, ano yung OGCC?

**[02:40:35.480] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001595)  
Sir, as early as 1995, we already, because of the overlapping jurisdiction, we already secured an OGCC opinion.

**[02:40:43.820] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001596)  
Because we're both clients of the OGCC.

**[02:40:45.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001597)  
Okay.

**[02:40:46.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001598)  
What about the DOJ?

**[02:40:47.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001599)  
Okay. Between an OGCC and DOJ opinion, what will prevail?

**[02:40:55.220] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001600)  
Sir, DOJ.

**[02:40:56.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001601)  
Okay. So, what does the DO… May DOJ opinion na ba?

**[02:40:59.700] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001602)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:41:00.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001603)  
Ano sabi ng DOJ?

**[02:41:02.440] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001604)  
Sir, kailangan, sir, i-harmonize. There are no conflicting provision. Kailangan lang, sir, harmonization ng tulos.

**[02:41:10.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001605)  
Which one yun? Anong resolution ang sinasabi mo sa DOJ?

**[02:41:15.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001606)  
Sir?

**[02:41:15.720] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001607)  
Sir, sir, sa DOJ opinion pala, such being the case, the two provisions being in pari materia, yun nga.

**[02:41:24.140] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001608)  
Sir, sa DOJ opinion, first, opinion number 106, series of 1995, no substantial conflict exists between the provisions of Section 4I of the LLDA Act and Section 4A of the PEA Charter.

**[02:41:39.560] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001609)  
Such being the case, the two provisions being in pari materia, the rule that the special law shall remain as an exception.

**[02:41:45.880] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001612)  
To the general law applies exproprio vigore.

**[02:41:51.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001613)  
Explain to your colleagues kasi yung iba sa kanila yung mga engineer.

**[02:41:56.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001614)  
So, that means, tama ba ako? That since special law ang LLDA, LLDA ang may jurisdiction sa Laguna Lake pagdating ng reclamation, hindi kayo?

**[02:42:06.720] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001615)  
No, sir.

**[02:42:07.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001616)  
Yun ang ibig sabi niya, ayan o.

**[02:42:09.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001617)  
In the instant case, no substantial conflict exists between provisions of 4-1.

**[02:42:15.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001618)  
Such being the case, the two provisions being in pari materia, the rule that the special law shall remain as an exception.

**[02:42:15.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001619)  
So, that being the case, the two provisions are in pari materia, the rule above stated, the special law shall remain as an exception to the general law.

**[02:42:25.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001620)  
The general law is the PRA law.

**[02:42:27.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001621)  
The special law is the LLDA law.

**[02:42:30.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001622)  
The LLDA law says they can reclaim.

**[02:42:33.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001623)  
They passed a resolution of their own in 1995 saying that they have exclusive jurisdiction in reclamation in LLDA.

**[02:42:44.000] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001624)  
Your Honor, can I explain?

**[02:42:45.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001625)  
Go ahead, yes.

**[02:42:46.560] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001626)  
Actually, the exclusive jurisdiction over sa general and special is over Laguna Lake.

**[02:42:54.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001627)  
Yes.

**[02:42:55.340] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001628)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:42:56.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001629)  
And reclamation in Laguna Lake.

**[02:42:57.920] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001630)  
But on the reclamation, sir, nagbaliktad, sir.

**[02:43:01.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001631)  
Nasaan nakalagay yun?

**[02:43:03.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001632)  
Nasaan nakalagay dito sa October 12, 1995?

**[02:43:06.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001633)  
Okay, fine.

**[02:43:13.020] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001634)  
Sir, doon sa DOJ opinion.

**[02:43:15.700] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001635)  
Nang 12 October, sir, yun yung sinabi na wala na special.

**[02:43:22.040] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001636)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:43:22.880] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001637)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:43:23.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001638)  
It's a special law.

**[02:43:24.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001639)  
And the special law sabi, they have the power to reclaim.

**[02:43:27.260] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001640)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:43:27.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001641)  
And they passed a board resolution.

**[02:43:29.360] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001642)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:43:29.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001643)  
Said that they have exclusive right to reclaim.

**[02:43:32.580] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001644)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:43:33.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001645)  
Oh.

**[02:43:33.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001646)  
And you never questioned that.

**[02:43:36.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001647)  
Reclaim ng reclaim ang gobyerno through the LLDA.

**[02:43:40.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001648)  
Oh.

**[02:43:42.360] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001649)  
Sir, can I read the...

**[02:43:43.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001650)  
Yes, go ahead, please.

**[02:43:44.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001651)  
Pareho naman tayong hapang.

**[02:43:45.300] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001652)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:43:45.560] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001653)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:43:45.700] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001654)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:43:46.300] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001655)  
Sir, doon sa last paragraph, sir, nung DOJ opinion.

**[02:43:49.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001656)  
Yes, yun ang binasa ko.

**[02:43:50.500] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001657)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:43:51.320] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001658)  
The rule above stated, special law shall remain as an exception.

**[02:43:57.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001659)  
So, ibig sabihin, the general rule is, basta't reclamation, PRA.

**[02:44:00.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001660)  
What is the exception?

**[02:44:02.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001661)  
The special law, Laguna Lake.

**[02:44:04.620] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001662)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:44:05.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001663)  
Oh.

**[02:44:06.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001664)  
Tinawagan ko rin ang PRA nung panahon ni PRRD.

**[02:44:10.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001665)  
Yun din ang sinabi.

**[02:44:11.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001666)  
Na hindi kayo nakikialam sa Laguna Lake because nga, they have a special law.

**[02:44:15.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001667)  
And pareho kayong kumukuha ng NEDA approval, di ba?

**[02:44:21.100] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001668)  
No, sir.

**[02:44:22.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001669)  
Ngayon, may delegated kayo.

**[02:44:23.740] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001670)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:44:24.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001671)  
Pero may iba-iba kayo, di ba?

**[02:44:25.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001672)  
You were under...

**[02:44:27.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001673)  
If you follow the history, you were under DPWH.

**[02:44:31.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001674)  
Before.

**[02:44:31.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001675)  
Tapos, binalik kayo doon.

**[02:44:33.640] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001676)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:44:34.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001677)  
Nag-DNR and OP ngayon.

**[02:44:35.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001678)  
Then, you have to have the president's approval.

**[02:44:38.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001679)  
Then, NEDA approval.

**[02:44:39.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001680)  
Then, now you can approve for the president.

**[02:44:41.640] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001681)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:44:42.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001682)  
Oh, kasi general law kayo.

**[02:44:43.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001683)  
You can do that anywhere in the Philippines.

**[02:44:45.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001684)  
Except where there is a special law.

**[02:44:49.040] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001685)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:44:50.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001686)  
And assuming, assuming, assuming you want to challenge that right now.

**[02:44:55.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001687)  
Assuming, Mr. Chairman.

**[02:44:56.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001688)  
Assuming for the sake of order, whatever.

**[02:45:00.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001689)  
You think that you can do a better job. That's your call. Pero ano, apektohan yung public service ng mga parks, madi-delay yung pag-construct. So can you again show the picture of the Laguna Lake Highway?

**[02:45:16.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001690)  
Thank you very much. That's what I want to highlight, Mr. Chairman, Chairman Lopez. Walang problema kung every year nag-aaway kayo ng LLDA, eh siyempre inutos ng DPWH, kumuha na lang kayo ng permit sa ano. Pero kung 20 years na, 15 years na nagko-construct sa side namin at may problema ang PRA...

**[02:45:46.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001691)  
LLDA, kahit kami ang maiipit sa gitna. Tapos ang DPWH na mas malaki ang project, hindi maiipit.

**[02:45:53.860] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001692)  
Hindi naman po namin iniipit ang mga project po. We were just asked for their compliances according to our rules.

**[02:46:05.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001693)  
That is if every single year ginagawa nyo. Sinasabi ko nga sa inyo, 20 years na may project yan, hindi naman kayo sumusulat doon.

**[02:46:15.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001694)  
Tapos pagsulat nyo ongoing yung project, hindi nyo ako tinanong. Dalawa senador na taga-tagig dyan, hindi nyo tinanong yung mayor, hindi nyo tinanong yung dalawang congressman.

**[02:46:26.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001695)  
Tapos ang DPWH takot sumagot sa inyo. So hindi ba naipit? So ngayon, kung sa City of Manila, may project dyan na pinapakinabangan ng napakaraming tao, hindi private yan, public.

**[02:46:37.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001696)  
Because may dalawang ahensya na hindi magkasundo kung sino. Biglang matigil, hindi ba naipit yun?

**[02:46:45.320] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001697)  
We will call their attention po to regularize.

**[02:46:49.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001698)  
Yes, sir. But sinis and desist eh. Wala namang additional reclamation. Kung pumunta lang kayo doon at inimbitahan namin lahat na pumunta doon at nakita nyo, pinapalitadahan lang yung isang project, hindi na kayo gumawa ng gulo at nag-issue ng cease and desist. Hindi ba?

**[02:47:08.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001699)  
Kung nagpatawag kayo ng meeting ng DPWH at LLDA, kung inimbitahan nyo yung congressman doon sa lugar na yon,

**[02:47:15.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001700)  
kung inimbitahan nyo yung local government, kung inimbitahan nyo yung mga barangay involved, nangyari pa ba itong lahat na to?

**[02:47:24.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001701)  
Kung kapaligtarin ko, kung ganyan ko kayo ituring, hindi na dito tayo mag-usap, kung sa media ko nilabas itong lahat, every week, every ngan, magkakaintindihan ba tayo, sir?

**[02:47:37.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001702)  
Yung project nyo, yung PIEC, kung hindi ko pakinggan ngayon at banatang ko na lang every week,

**[02:47:45.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001703)  
tapos kawawa ang Pilipinas pag na-delay kasi maganda naman pala. Will you appreciate that, Mr. Chairman?

**[02:47:54.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001704)  
Wala kaming problema kung may anomalya dyan, kung may titles. Sir, are you aware, sir, taga DNR, are you aware na napakaraming fake titles dyan?

**[02:48:07.080] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001705)  
Totoo po yun, Mr. Your Honor.

**[02:48:09.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001706)  
So what does myself, what does Mayor Lani, what does Taguig have to do?

**[02:48:15.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001707)  
Kung may fake titles dyan.

**[02:48:19.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001708)  
Sabi ni-imbestigahan nyo.

**[02:48:21.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001709)  
Di-imbestigahan nyo with LRA, wala kaming problema dun, sir.

**[02:48:27.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001710)  
Wala kaming problema dun.

**[02:48:29.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001711)  
O sabi nyo may nireclaim illegally, mapupunta sa gobyerno.

**[02:48:33.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001712)  
Lahat tunong makikita nyo dyan sa gobyerno eh.

**[02:48:35.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001713)  
So ano ang kukunin nyo para sa gobyerno?

**[02:48:39.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001714)  
Sir, sa interview nyo, paulit-ulit kayo, kukunin namin yan.

**[02:48:43.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001715)  
Anong kukunin nyo po? Eh sa gobyerno naman po.

**[02:48:45.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001716)  
Anong kukunin nyo po yan?

**[02:48:47.120] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001717)  
Your Honor, actually we're not stopping the construction.

**[02:48:53.120] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001718)  
I just want to clarify, Your Honor, what we have questioned with the DPWH

**[02:48:59.340] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001719)  
is the filling up of the area which is enclosed by the, with the slope protection and the C6.

**[02:49:10.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001720)  
And you didn't explain it?

**[02:49:13.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001721)  
Sir, eto ah.

**[02:49:15.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001722)  
Ay Secretary Dizon ang nagpapaliwanag.

**[02:49:17.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001723)  
Alam nyo po bakit, sir?

**[02:49:19.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001724)  
Kasi nung panahon ni President Pinoy, chief of staff ko siya.

**[02:49:23.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001725)  
So familiar siya dyan.

**[02:49:25.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001726)  
Nung panahon ni PRD, presidential advisor on flagship program siya.

**[02:49:33.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001727)  
At parati niyang kasama ang DOTR at DPWH.

**[02:49:37.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001728)  
At nandyan siya nung napag-usapan yung project.

**[02:49:40.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001729)  
Kaya alam niya.

**[02:49:41.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001730)  
Eto, sir, na kulay blue at kulay pula.

**[02:49:44.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001731)  
Yan ang re-alignance.

**[02:49:45.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001732)  
Yan ang re-alignance ngayon dahil kailangan ilayo ng 1 kilometer from the lakeshore.

**[02:49:51.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001733)  
Because kung hindi, sir, yung 1,300 hectares namin aano rin na.

**[02:49:57.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001734)  
At kung hindi gagawan ng lake ng park, sir, ano nangyayari pagka tapos tubig na?

**[02:50:03.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001735)  
In your experience?

**[02:50:05.280] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001736)  
Erosion.

**[02:50:06.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001737)  
Aside from erosion, binabahayan, di ba, ng tao?

**[02:50:09.240] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001738)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:50:09.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001739)  
Aside from binabahayan, tinatapo na ng basura, di ba, sir?

**[02:50:12.800] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001740)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:50:13.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001741)  
Pero pag may park, sir?

**[02:50:15.320] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001742)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:50:16.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001743)  
Completed na?

**[02:50:17.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001744)  
Completed lahat, di ba, sir?

**[02:50:19.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001745)  
May CR, walang nagda-dump sa tubig.

**[02:50:21.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001746)  
Yan yung purpose niyon, sir.

**[02:50:22.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001747)  
Ang tawag diyan, linear park.

**[02:50:25.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001748)  
So, I don't take it against anyone who wants to investigate, who asks, may project.

**[02:50:30.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001749)  
Ang hinihingi ko lang, Mr. Chairman, I'll, I'll, ano, dahil I'm taking up too much time.

**[02:50:35.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001750)  
Hindi pa pwede mag-usap yung gobyerno.

**[02:50:38.460] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001751)  
Sir, we will, your honor.

**[02:50:39.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001752)  
So, sa Friday, nandito si Secretary Vince Dizon.

**[02:50:42.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001753)  
Can someone of authority sa inyo attend?

**[02:50:45.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001754)  
Para kayo mag-usap?

**[02:50:47.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001755)  
In front of all of us, para hindi kayo, di ba, he said this, he said this.

**[02:50:54.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001756)  
Kaya kayo mag-usap.

**[02:50:56.420] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001757)  
Your honor, if I may?

**[02:50:57.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001758)  
Yes, go ahead.

**[02:50:58.800] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001759)  
Actually, tama po kayo kung, kung finilap nyo, hindi po matatamba ka ng basura.

**[02:51:06.860] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001760)  
Going back lang po doon sa 2018 incident,

**[02:51:10.060] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001761)  
actually, ang una po namin na, na, na, stop.

**[02:51:15.320] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001762)  
Is a filling up doon sa portion nung dulo po, na may basura po.

**[02:51:20.260] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-001763)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:51:21.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001764)  
I don't know where I remember you from eh, but your name is very familiar or you just have one of those names that are nice and easy to pronounce and everything.

**[02:51:30.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001765)  
But, this goes to everyone.

**[02:51:33.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001766)  
Hindi ba reputation is important?

**[02:51:36.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001767)  
Di ba?

**[02:51:37.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001768)  
Kaya kami ni Senator Tulfo nagbabanatan din minsan, pero, you know, we try to then, we talk.

**[02:51:43.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001769)  
Why?

**[02:51:44.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001770)  
His reputation.

**[02:51:45.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001771)  
is important to him.

**[02:51:46.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001772)  
My reputation is important to him.

**[02:51:48.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001773)  
Who will speak for the city of Taguig?

**[02:51:52.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001774)  
So, pag sinabing may anomalya dyan, may titulo dyan, and this is dyan, et cetera, hindi po tao yung city eh.

**[02:52:00.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001775)  
Kaya ko tinanong, chairman, di ba, kung Manila yun, whether official ka o hindi, pag sinabing Manila ganito, Manila ganyan.

**[02:52:07.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001776)  
So, yun ang problema, sir, kasi ang dami na sinabi about our city.

**[02:52:11.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001777)  
So, like, halimbawa, sir, sa titling, no, I mean, maybe si engineer.

**[02:52:15.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001778)  
Does the city have any, any, ano, participation in land titling?

**[02:52:24.460] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001779)  
Sa proseso po, your honor, ay kailangan po namin ng concurrence po ng, ano, halimbawa yung city po, katulad po ng nangyayari.

**[02:52:33.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001780)  
No, but I'm saying, sir, di ba, if I'm a private, magpapatitulo ako, di ba, I either go to LRA or to court, di ba?

**[02:52:41.760] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001781)  
Opo.

**[02:52:42.020] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001782)  
Opo.

**[02:52:42.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001783)  
Wala namang participation yung city, di ba?

**[02:52:45.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001784)  
Ang city ba nagpapatitulo?

**[02:52:47.640] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001785)  
Your honor, bahagi po ng proseso ng pagtitulo po ay yung kailangan po na may SOP yan.

**[02:52:53.780] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001786)  
At kung ito ay pag-aay po.

**[02:52:55.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001787)  
Sir, sabihin niyo yung SOP kasi sa media may ibang ibig sabihin ng SOP.

**[02:53:00.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001788)  
Pakisabi, sir.

**[02:53:00.740] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001789)  
Survey, survey po.

**[02:53:01.780] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001790)  
May survey.

**[02:53:02.620] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001791)  
May survey.

**[02:53:03.740] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001792)  
At in-administer po ito ng lisensyado pong judetic engineer.

**[02:53:07.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001793)  
Yes, not the city.

**[02:53:08.700] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001794)  
So, gagawa po ng plano yan.

**[02:53:09.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001795)  
Sir, not the city.

**[02:53:10.480] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001796)  
At pag natapos po dito.

**[02:53:11.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001797)  
Yes.

**[02:53:12.220] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001798)  
Of course po, may pipirman po ng city.

**[02:53:14.360] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001799)  
Okay, kasi sa kanila po yung lupa.

**[02:53:16.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001800)  
Sorry po.

**[02:53:17.300] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001801)  
May pipirman po yung plano.

**[02:53:18.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001802)  
No, no.

**[02:53:19.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001803)  
You're talking about land that city owns.

**[02:53:21.920] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001804)  
Yes po.

**[02:53:22.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001805)  
No, I'm talking about land titling in general.

**[02:53:25.500] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001806)  
Ganon din po.

**[02:53:26.600] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001807)  
Yung plano po ng lupa, kailangan po pirmahan nila, mag-concur po sila sa ginawa po ng judetic engineer.

**[02:53:31.760] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001808)  
So, may concurrence.

**[02:53:32.920] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001809)  
At yun po ang isasabit natin doon po sa DINR po, sa Land Management Bureau.

**[02:53:38.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001810)  
Sino ang pipirma sa city para sa land?

**[02:53:41.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001811)  
I have not.

**[02:53:43.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001812)  
Hindi pa ako nagpapatitulo.

**[02:53:44.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001813)  
Nagpapatitulo ng lupa.

**[02:53:46.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001814)  
Sa media kasi, it's being communicated na para bang ang city ang gumagawa ng titlo.

**[02:53:57.960] PRA General Manager and CEO Cesar S. Siador Jr.** (asr-001815)  
Your Honor, as per advice po na kasama ko, na dati ko rin kasamahan sa DINR, ay yung assessor po ang normally pumipirma po para sa titlo po ng lupa.

**[02:54:06.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001816)  
Yes, because the assessor, if you do not have a title yet, but you're paying the taxes,

**[02:54:12.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001817)  
then you will get the tax deck.

**[02:54:16.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001818)  
Diba?

**[02:54:16.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001819)  
And if you go, for example, sa Fort Bonifacio, nung binenta yan, there were several having tax decks for the same lupa.

**[02:54:25.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001820)  
Ganon din, may mga fake titles nun.

**[02:54:27.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001821)  
Diba?

**[02:54:29.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001822)  
So, what I'm saying is that, if you're saying they're part of the process in the sense that you have to get the tax deck and you have to sign,

**[02:54:38.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001823)  
diba?

**[02:54:39.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001824)  
But, regardless, itabi mo yan.

**[02:54:42.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001825)  
So, what does the city have to do kung may mga titlo dun?

**[02:54:47.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001826)  
Familiar ba kayo ng land titling sa Laguna Lake?

**[02:54:50.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001827)  
This is the second to my final, ano.

**[02:54:52.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001828)  
Sir, are you familiar with the land titlings upon the Laguna Lake area?

**[02:54:59.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001829)  
Di po, sir.

**[02:55:00.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001830)  
Okay. I will familiarize you guys, para lang malinaw, pati sa media.

**[02:55:04.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001831)  
60s, 70s, napasay yung Laguna Lake, diba?

**[02:55:08.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001832)  
Martial law, pwede kang PD, presidential decree.

**[02:55:12.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001833)  
Ang PD is the effect of law.

**[02:55:15.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001834)  
Diba? Because of Proclamation No. 3.

**[02:55:18.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001835)  
Okay.

**[02:55:18.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001836)  
Sabi sa LLDA law, pag mababa sa 12.5 meters, automatically, it is owned by LLDA.

**[02:55:25.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001837)  
It's under their jurisdiction.

**[02:55:27.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001838)  
At pag may lupa dun, sa kanila yun.

**[02:55:30.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001839)  
Nasa law yun.

**[02:55:31.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001840)  
Pero, even under PD 3, even under martial law, may constitution tayo.

**[02:55:37.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001841)  
And the constitution says, you cannot take land without payment.

**[02:55:41.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001842)  
So, any...

**[02:55:42.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001843)  
Anyone who already had title nun, ay hindi pwedeng kunin ng LLDA unless babayaran nila.

**[02:55:48.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001844)  
Diba? Kasi may title ka na eh.

**[02:55:50.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001845)  
So, isang tabi na natin yun.

**[02:55:52.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001846)  
Yung mga may title before the LLDA law.

**[02:55:55.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001847)  
Okay.

**[02:55:56.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001848)  
After that, nasubaybayan ko yan over the years.

**[02:55:59.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001849)  
1992, I was 21 years old.

**[02:56:01.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001850)  
Conceal na ako sa tagi.

**[02:56:03.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001851)  
Ang nangyayari dyan usually, pag may nag-file sa RTC for title,

**[02:56:09.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001852)  
kwe-question yun ng LLDA dahil sa batas nila.

**[02:56:12.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001853)  
But, pag na-prove nung may-ari na sa kanya yun at na-grant ng RTC,

**[02:56:20.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001854)  
nung araw, inaabot pa ng Supreme Court.

**[02:56:23.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001855)  
But, I don't know when, if it was 80s or 90s,

**[02:56:27.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001856)  
naging desisyon ng LLDA,

**[02:56:29.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001857)  
pag nanalo sa RTC, huwag na natin habulin hanggang Supreme Court.

**[02:56:32.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001858)  
Kasi, talo na tayo sa RTC.

**[02:56:34.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001859)  
So, meron talagang mga titulo dyan.

**[02:56:38.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001860)  
Again, I ask the question,

**[02:56:40.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001861)  
unless yung city ang nagpapasili...

**[02:56:42.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001862)  
What does the city have to do with all the titles there?

**[02:56:46.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001863)  
Kaya, nasabi ko sa media,

**[02:56:49.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001864)  
kung babawiin nyo lahat ng titulo ng lahat sa Laguna Lake,

**[02:56:53.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001865)  
pabor sa amin yun kasi gobyerno ngayon yun.

**[02:56:55.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001866)  
Pero, magkakagulo tayo sa lahat ng...

**[02:56:58.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001867)  
sa Torrens title.

**[02:57:00.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001868)  
Kasi, yung iba dyan, 20, 30, 40 years,

**[02:57:03.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001869)  
puwera yung fake.

**[02:57:05.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001870)  
Yung fake at any time,

**[02:57:10.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001871)  
ano ba ang...

**[02:57:11.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001872)  
ang...

**[02:57:11.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001873)  
pagka-fraudulent yung title?

**[02:57:14.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001874)  
Dalawa, di ba?

**[02:57:15.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001875)  
Pagka yung fake, as in it's hindi totoo,

**[02:57:18.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001876)  
any time yun.

**[02:57:19.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001877)  
Wala yun.

**[02:57:20.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001878)  
Wala yun.

**[02:57:21.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001879)  
It's null and void.

**[02:57:22.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001880)  
Di ba?

**[02:57:23.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001881)  
Pero, if you have a real title,

**[02:57:25.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001882)  
but through fraudulent means,

**[02:57:27.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001883)  
nakuha mo,

**[02:57:29.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001884)  
is it four years?

**[02:57:30.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001885)  
Four years from discovery?

**[02:57:31.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001886)  
Isa sa inyo is a broker, eh.

**[02:57:33.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001887)  
Nakita ko sa...

**[02:57:34.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001888)  
sa ano nyo.

**[02:57:35.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001889)  
Sino yung broker sa...

**[02:57:37.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001890)  
Isa sa board nyo...

**[02:57:38.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001891)  
Hindi, oh.

**[02:57:38.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001892)  
Mr. El Defonso is the director of the Bureau of Land,

**[02:57:41.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001893)  
for the longest of time.

**[02:57:43.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001894)  
So, maybe you can answer.

**[02:57:44.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001895)  
So, sir, pagka...

**[02:57:45.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001896)  
ano,

**[02:57:46.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001897)  
tunay yung title,

**[02:57:47.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001898)  
pero fraudulent yung pagkuha,

**[02:57:48.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001899)  
di ba you can question it pa?

**[02:57:50.200] PRA Director Eligio T. Ildefonso** (asr-001900)  
Yeah, yes.

**[02:57:51.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001901)  
Isa.

**[02:57:52.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001902)  
For how long, sir?

**[02:57:53.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001903)  
Four years pa?

**[02:57:54.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001904)  
Or eight years, di ba?

**[02:57:55.080] PRA Director Eligio T. Ildefonso** (asr-001905)  
Walang prescription.

**[02:57:57.140] PRA Director Eligio T. Ildefonso** (asr-001906)  
As far as I know.

**[02:57:58.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001907)  
So, I'll go through it, sir.

**[02:58:00.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001908)  
Pag everything is legit,

**[02:58:03.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001909)  
na-inform lahat ng katabi mo,

**[02:58:05.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001910)  
nasunod mo lahat,

**[02:58:05.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001911)  
may right ka talaga doon,

**[02:58:07.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001912)  
nagkatitulo ka,

**[02:58:08.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001913)  
everyone has one year

**[02:58:10.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001914)  
from the issue,

**[02:58:11.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001915)  
one student title,

**[02:58:12.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001916)  
that is,

**[02:58:13.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001917)  
that is,

**[02:58:15.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001918)  
what do you call this,

**[02:58:16.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001919)  
publicized.

**[02:58:17.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001920)  
You have one year.

**[02:58:18.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001921)  
Kung hindi,

**[02:58:19.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001922)  
hindi mo na madi-dispute,

**[02:58:21.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001923)  
di ba?

**[02:58:21.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001924)  
The exception is,

**[02:58:23.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001925)  
if you got it through fraudulent means,

**[02:58:26.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001926)  
then from discovery,

**[02:58:27.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001927)  
you have a time period,

**[02:58:28.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001928)  
I'm not sure,

**[02:58:29.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001929)  
four years.

**[02:58:30.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001930)  
There's a third kind,

**[02:58:31.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001931)  
fake title.

**[02:58:32.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001932)  
Walang prescription yun,

**[02:58:34.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001933)  
kasi null and void yun.

**[02:58:35.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001934)  
Fake yun.

**[02:58:36.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001935)  
Hindi totoo.

**[02:58:37.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001936)  
Di ba?

**[02:58:39.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001937)  
Oo.

**[02:58:39.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001938)  
So, yun ang sinasabi ko,

**[02:58:41.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001939)  
Mr. Chairman.

**[02:58:41.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001940)  
Pasensya na.

**[02:58:43.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001941)  
If fake titles are going around

**[02:58:45.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001942)  
and sasabihin yung

**[02:58:46.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001943)  
there's a hundred hectares

**[02:58:48.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001944)  
underwater na gano'n

**[02:58:49.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001945)  
and that's a fake title,

**[02:58:51.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001946)  
kawawa naman mga taga LRA.

**[02:58:53.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001947)  
Kawawa naman yung assessor.

**[02:58:55.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001948)  
Kawawa naman yung

**[02:58:55.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001949)  
legitimate owners.

**[02:58:57.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001950)  
Nag-iisip sila lahat.

**[02:58:58.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001951)  
Kaya nung sinabing

**[02:58:59.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001952)  
17 hectares,

**[02:59:01.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001953)  
180 ba yun,

**[02:59:02.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001954)  
70?

**[02:59:03.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001955)  
Hinahanap nung lahat eh.

**[02:59:05.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001956)  
Hinahanap nung lahat.

**[02:59:06.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001957)  
Pati,

**[02:59:07.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001958)  
meron yung titulo dyan

**[02:59:08.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001959)  
na 18.

**[02:59:10.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001960)  
Hindi mga sumusulat formal,

**[02:59:11.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001961)  
kasi kasabihin,

**[02:59:13.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001962)  
nakikialam.

**[02:59:14.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001963)  
Alam mo kanino ako

**[02:59:15.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001964)  
nagtatanong sa brokers?

**[02:59:17.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001965)  
Kasi sila nagbebente.

**[02:59:18.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001966)  
May bentahan ba dyan

**[02:59:20.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001967)  
na last 5 years

**[02:59:20.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001968)  
o na last 10 years

**[02:59:22.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001969)  
nung 18?

**[02:59:23.000] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001970)  
Mr. Senator,

**[02:59:24.040] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001971)  
Hindi po namin sinasabing

**[02:59:26.500] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001972)  
fake title.

**[02:59:28.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001973)  
Wala akong kami sinasabing gano'n.

**[02:59:29.500] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001974)  
Ang sinasabi lang namin,

**[02:59:30.940] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-001975)  
unauthorized po.

**[02:59:32.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001976)  
Yes, sir.

**[02:59:33.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001977)  
Ang problema, sir,

**[02:59:34.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001978)  
sa mga interviews,

**[02:59:36.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001979)  
sinasabi,

**[02:59:37.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001980)  
nagahalo na kasi.

**[02:59:39.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001981)  
Tapos,

**[02:59:39.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001982)  
sasabihin,

**[02:59:40.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001983)  
nakita na ng PRA.

**[02:59:41.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001984)  
30 hectares.

**[02:59:44.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001985)  
Nakita na ng PRA,

**[02:59:45.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001986)  
170 hectares.

**[02:59:47.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001987)  
Nakita na ng PRA,

**[02:59:48.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001988)  
may titulo,

**[02:59:49.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001989)  
underwater.

**[02:59:51.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001990)  
And hindi natin alam

**[02:59:52.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001991)  
kung tunay yung titulo na yan.

**[02:59:54.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001992)  
In the meantime,

**[02:59:55.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001993)  
bugbog na bugbog

**[02:59:56.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001994)  
yung reputation ng city namin.

**[02:59:58.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001995)  
Again, I ask you the question.

**[03:00:00.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001996)  
who will talk for our city?

**[03:00:03.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001997)  
Diba?

**[03:00:03.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001998)  
So, sana na-realize nyo lang yung problema ngayon

**[03:00:06.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-001999)  
and sana we're all just,

**[03:00:07.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002000)  
how do I put it, circumspect.

**[03:00:09.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002001)  
Now, kung totoo, sir, crucify.

**[03:00:12.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002002)  
Kung totoo, kung sino

**[03:00:13.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002003)  
man ito manon, kahit na ako yun,

**[03:00:16.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002004)  
kahit na yung mayor, yung congressman,

**[03:00:18.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002005)  
kahit na sa first

**[03:00:19.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002006)  
family, kung may gumagawa ng anomalya

**[03:00:21.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002007)  
dyan, go ahead, sir. Pero habang

**[03:00:23.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002008)  
iniimbestiga, baka pwedeng

**[03:00:25.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002009)  
may konti tayong circumspection,

**[03:00:28.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002010)  
diba? And then, secondly,

**[03:00:30.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002011)  
sana nga, sir, between,

**[03:00:32.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002012)  
I mean, although

**[03:00:33.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002013)  
ang LLDA now is under

**[03:00:35.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002014)  
DNR, tama ba,

**[03:00:38.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002015)  
sir, na once upon a time, it was under

**[03:00:39.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002016)  
OP din?

**[03:00:42.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002017)  
Ang LLDA?

**[03:00:45.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002018)  
Alam ko, nag-ano din yun, eh. Umiikot din yun, eh.

**[03:00:48.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002019)  
But ang point ko is, once

**[03:00:49.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002020)  
upon a time, you were under OP.

**[03:00:52.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002021)  
Ang LLDA,

**[03:00:53.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002022)  
I think it was, I'm not sure, ah,

**[03:00:55.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002023)  
pero ngayon, under DNR. Tapos, ang

**[03:00:57.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002024)  
chairman ng board is the

**[03:00:59.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002025)  
DNR secretary. So, pareho

**[03:01:01.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002026)  
naman kayong gobyerno, lahat naman kami magkukumplay, eh.

**[03:01:05.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002027)  
Pero,

**[03:01:06.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002028)  
i-synchronize nyo yung

**[03:01:07.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002029)  
rules nyo. Hindi pwedeng sinasabi

**[03:01:09.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002030)  
ng LLDA sa amin,

**[03:01:12.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002031)  
kami, sabi nyo, tapos

**[03:01:13.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002032)  
may ipit. Last question.

**[03:01:16.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002033)  
Assuming,

**[03:01:18.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002034)  
kung sino man may jurisdiction,

**[03:01:20.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002035)  
under both rules

**[03:01:21.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002036)  
of the LLDA and

**[03:01:23.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002037)  
the DNR,

**[03:01:25.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002038)  
sino ang dapat kumuha ng permit?

**[03:01:27.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002039)  
Okay.

**[03:01:29.700] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002040)  
Sa reclamation permit, sir?

**[03:01:34.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002041)  
Reclamation and infrastructure

**[03:01:35.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002042)  
that came about because of

**[03:01:37.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002043)  
the unauthorized

**[03:01:38.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002044)  
reclamation.

**[03:01:40.520] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002044-split-2)  
Sir, for the reclamation, sir,

**[03:01:41.940] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002045)  
it's the proponents.

**[03:01:43.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002045-split-2)  
Yes.

**[03:01:44.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002046)  
And in this case, in Taguig,

**[03:01:46.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002047)  
we're talking about who?

**[03:01:47.740] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002048)  
DPWH.

**[03:01:48.290] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002048-split-2)  
DPWH.

**[03:01:49.080] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002048-split-3)  
Yes, sir.

**[03:01:49.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002049)  
So, ang ugat ng problema natin,

**[03:01:52.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002050)  
hindi ang city, hindi

**[03:01:53.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002051)  
ako,

**[03:01:55.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002052)  
hindi ko sino man, kung hindi, ang

**[03:01:57.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002053)  
kakulangan ng DPWH.

**[03:01:59.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002054)  
Pero, nung tinatanong namin sila, sabi kasi

**[03:02:01.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002055)  
nila, sir, 20 years na kasi kaming

**[03:02:03.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002056)  
eto yung proseso.

**[03:02:06.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002057)  
Pero, syempre, umaangal din

**[03:02:07.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002058)  
yung LLDA. Pero, may hawak ako dito, eh.

**[03:02:10.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002059)  
Nag-issue din

**[03:02:11.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002060)  
ng LLDA ng MOA

**[03:02:13.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002061)  
between Taguig City,

**[03:02:16.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002062)  
LLDA,

**[03:02:18.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002063)  
DPWH, MMDA.

**[03:02:21.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002064)  
Meron din

**[03:02:21.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002065)  
project ang Taguig City with LLDA

**[03:02:23.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002066)  
and Department of Agriculture or the Bureau of

**[03:02:25.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002067)  
Fisheries on the water.

**[03:02:27.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002068)  
Pero, hindi siguro reclaimed yun.

**[03:02:29.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002069)  
Kasi, high-tech fish pen.

**[03:02:32.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002070)  
Di ba? But, ang point ko, sir,

**[03:02:33.920] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002071)  
ba't naman hindi susunod lahat

**[03:02:35.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002072)  
kung kayong magkaayos?

**[03:02:38.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002073)  
Pero, kung hindi,

**[03:02:40.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002074)  
so, for example,

**[03:02:41.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002075)  
sabi nyo sa budget hearing na to,

**[03:02:43.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002076)  
last na to, chairman, no? Sabi nyo sa budget

**[03:02:45.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002077)  
hearing na to, hindi kami magkasundo.

**[03:02:49.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002078)  
So, hindi muna kami gagawa ng project

**[03:02:51.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002079)  
ng isang taon.

**[03:02:54.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002080)  
Pababaya namin mapuno ng basura

**[03:02:55.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002081)  
or ng informal squatters yung area.

**[03:02:57.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002082)  
No? Sir, kung taga,

**[03:02:59.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002083)  
sa DNR kayo at sir,

**[03:03:01.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002084)  
yung medyo familiar ka, alam nyo ba yung

**[03:03:03.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002085)  
I'll close with this. Alam nyo yung

**[03:03:05.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002086)  
lupang-ariyanda?

**[03:03:07.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002087)  
Have you heard of that?

**[03:03:10.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002088)  
Lupang-ariyanda?

**[03:03:12.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002089)  
Ha? Sir, yeah.

**[03:03:13.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002090)  
Go ahead, sir. So, that

**[03:03:15.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002091)  
lupang-ariyanda is squatted

**[03:03:17.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002092)  
area. Maraming mga informal

**[03:03:19.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002093)  
So, chairman, ganito yun.

**[03:03:21.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002094)  
Bago pala ang congressman.

**[03:03:24.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002095)  
May dispute kasi ang Rizal,

**[03:03:26.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002096)  
Taytay at Taguig.

**[03:03:27.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002097)  
Paglampas ng Rizal,

**[03:03:29.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002098)  
Pasig River. Sabi nila Rizal na yun.

**[03:03:31.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002099)  
Sabi ng Taguig, pareho naman tayong Rizal eh.

**[03:03:34.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002100)  
Naging Metro Manila. So, meron din kami

**[03:03:36.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002101)  
dyan. Ang ginawa,

**[03:03:39.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002102)  
naglalagay ng

**[03:03:40.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002103)  
stilts.

**[03:03:42.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002104)  
Tapos ang basura, sinusunog.

**[03:03:44.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002105)  
Sasabihin filling material,

**[03:03:46.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002106)  
nilalagay. So, naglakad ako

**[03:03:48.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002107)  
doon.

**[03:03:50.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002108)  
Five minutes na ako naglalakad.

**[03:03:52.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002109)  
Kasi naman nagtatambak dito.

**[03:03:53.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002110)  
Sabi, sir, tingnan mo yung doon.

**[03:03:55.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002111)  
Pagpunta ko doon, wala pang bahay.

**[03:03:57.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002112)  
Stilts.

**[03:03:59.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002113)  
So, lampas tuhod.

**[03:04:02.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002114)  
May tubig pa, basura.

**[03:04:05.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002115)  
Tinatapon doon.

**[03:04:06.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002116)  
Sabi ko, oh, ang liit naman ito.

**[03:04:08.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002117)  
Sir, lahat ng nilakaran mo

**[03:04:10.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002118)  
for the last ten minutes, ganito yan.

**[03:04:12.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002119)  
Natamba ka na.

**[03:04:14.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002120)  
Okay.

**[03:04:15.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002121)  
The next time na nabalita yan,

**[03:04:18.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002122)  
nagbangka. Bumaha doon

**[03:04:20.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002123)  
ng grabe. Nagbangka doon si

**[03:04:21.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002124)  
Senator Biason.

**[03:04:24.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002125)  
Iinanap ko eh, kung nasa YouTube pa.

**[03:04:25.820] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002126)  
Kung ina ako nagkakamali, that was sometime

**[03:04:28.120] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002127)  
2001. That was

**[03:04:29.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002128)  
25 years ago.

**[03:04:31.760] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002129)  
I'm not sure now if that's

**[03:04:33.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002130)  
50, 100, 150 hectares.

**[03:04:35.740] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002131)  
So, gentlemen, pag hindi

**[03:04:37.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002132)  
inayos yung lakeshore,

**[03:04:40.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002133)  
ganyan ang nangyayari.

**[03:04:41.960] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002134)  
And not only in the Philippines.

**[03:04:43.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002135)  
You go to Southeast Asian, any

**[03:04:45.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002136)  
archipelago, kapag ka may

**[03:04:47.840] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002137)  
kahirapan, ang tubig

**[03:04:49.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002138)  
is one of the target areas

**[03:04:51.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002139)  
na either

**[03:04:54.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002140)  
nakastilts or ngayon

**[03:04:55.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002141)  
na may pinagtatambakan.

**[03:04:57.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002142)  
So, actually, ang nangyayari sa tagig

**[03:04:59.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002143)  
is to protect the lakeshore.

**[03:05:01.900] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002144)  
Kung hindi, puno na rin ang tao yun

**[03:05:03.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002145)  
katulad nung nangyayari

**[03:05:05.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002146)  
sa areyenda.

**[03:05:07.080] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002147)  
I won't say the barangay, but I can point to you

**[03:05:09.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002148)  
a barangay na nangyayari pa rin hanggang

**[03:05:11.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002149)  
ngayon yun. Whether it's in

**[03:05:13.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002150)  
Taguig or Rizal or

**[03:05:14.520] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002151)  
anywhere else.

**[03:05:17.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002152)  
So, thank you for this time, Mr. Chairman.

**[03:05:19.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002153)  
But I just wanted to say,

**[03:05:21.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002154)  
we can get to the bottom of any problem

**[03:05:23.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002155)  
when we talk.

**[03:05:24.580] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002156)  
Diba?

**[03:05:25.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002157)  
Pero, wala man lang

**[03:05:28.000] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002158)  
nag-reach out sa inyo. Pag ako naman,

**[03:05:29.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002159)  
mag-reach out, baka sabihin,

**[03:05:31.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002160)  
tinatakot ko kayo.

**[03:05:33.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002161)  
Onyx, never naman kita tinakot.

**[03:05:35.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002162)  
Takot nga ako sa tatay mo.

**[03:05:37.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002163)  
Diba?

**[03:05:38.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002164)  
So, anyway, I'm not gonna

**[03:05:41.460] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002165)  
blame anyone and

**[03:05:42.780] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002166)  
I do know emotions were high here in the

**[03:05:45.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002167)  
Senate and it's time

**[03:05:47.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002168)  
to move on and solve bigger problems

**[03:05:49.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002169)  
of our country, including problems with our

**[03:05:51.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002170)  
economy. But sana nga,

**[03:05:53.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002171)  
you can send someone, Mr. Chairman.

**[03:05:55.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002172)  
I won't tell you to do this or to do that.

**[03:05:57.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002173)  
I'll just tell you, do the right thing.

**[03:05:59.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002174)  
Pero yun nga, sana, in the quickest

**[03:06:01.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002175)  
possible time,

**[03:06:03.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002176)  
with the

**[03:06:05.700] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002177)  
LLDA and si

**[03:06:07.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002178)  
Secretary Vince Dizon. Kasi ang

**[03:06:09.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002179)  
LLDA, baliktad naman.

**[03:06:12.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002180)  
Meeting ng meeting sa amin,

**[03:06:13.720] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002181)  
meeting ng meeting

**[03:06:14.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002182)  
sa DPWH at saka

**[03:06:17.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002183)  
sa city, ngayon magbabudget

**[03:06:19.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002184)  
hearing, ayaw na nila makipag-usap.

**[03:06:23.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002185)  
Hindi ko alam bakit.

**[03:06:25.040] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002186)  
Diba?

**[03:06:25.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002187)  
Go ahead, sir.

**[03:06:27.240] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002188)  
Your Honor, we...

**[03:06:29.360] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002189)  
We're happy to

**[03:06:31.240] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002190)  
inform the Chair and

**[03:06:33.260] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002191)  
your Honor that we'll be having

**[03:06:35.400] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002192)  
a coordination meeting with

**[03:06:36.980] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002193)  
both LLDA, DNR

**[03:06:39.520] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002194)  
and DPWH.

**[03:06:41.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002195)  
Open ba sa lahat yan?

**[03:06:43.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002196)  
Hindi ba dapat meron din

**[03:06:45.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002197)  
taga-city? Let's invite

**[03:06:46.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002198)  
everybody. Sir,

**[03:06:48.030] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002198-split-2)  
yes sir. You're welcome, sir.

**[03:06:49.560] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002199)  
We will welcome the participation

**[03:06:51.280] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002200)  
of the LGUs. Your staff po is

**[03:06:53.220] PRA Assistant General Manager Joseph John M. Literal** (asr-002201)  
most welcome.

**[03:06:53.770] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002201-split-2)  
If there's anyone

**[03:06:54.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002202)  
objective, bring them. Kasi

**[03:06:56.880] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002203)  
kaso sa, diba? Ako,

**[03:06:59.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002204)  
kahit wala staff ko, pero yung city naman

**[03:07:01.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002205)  
siguro, nung nangyari yung

**[03:07:03.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002206)  
flood control scam, yung

**[03:07:05.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002207)  
buong sinasabi ng

**[03:07:07.100] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002208)  
national government, sana in-involve

**[03:07:09.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002209)  
natin yung lokal.

**[03:07:11.180] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002210)  
Ngayon, parang

**[03:07:12.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002211)  
ayaw natin yung involve yung

**[03:07:15.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002212)  
yung lokal.

**[03:07:17.640] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002213)  
Eh, sila naman nakataalam

**[03:07:19.060] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002214)  
doon,

**[03:07:21.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002215)  
sir. Diba? Okay. Kasi

**[03:07:23.160] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002216)  
sir, I think it's

**[03:07:25.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002217)  
about time because if you're

**[03:07:27.240] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002218)  
aware, before the pandemic,

**[03:07:29.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002219)  
muntik nang magkaroon

**[03:07:31.480] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002220)  
ng reclamation project ng between

**[03:07:33.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002221)  
200 to 2,000

**[03:07:35.320] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002222)  
hectares sa Muntinlupa

**[03:07:37.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002223)  
and Taguig side ng Laguna Lake.

**[03:07:39.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002224)  
Meron pre-proposed dyan na

**[03:07:41.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002225)  
si, I think

**[03:07:43.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002226)  
si Architect Palafox,

**[03:07:45.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002227)  
pero Rizal side na

**[03:07:47.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002228)  
airport. Binubuhay yun

**[03:07:49.980] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002229)  
before binag-usapan yung

**[03:07:51.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002230)  
Bulacan, I think it was

**[03:07:53.200] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002231)  
packaged as possible, possibly

**[03:07:55.420] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002232)  
a Manipakyao airport

**[03:07:57.560] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002233)  
at the time. Pano ni

**[03:07:59.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002234)  
Speaker Alvarez.

**[03:08:01.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002235)  
And then, etong 2021-

**[03:08:03.680] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002236)  
2022-23,

**[03:08:06.140] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002237)  
may lumalapit

**[03:08:07.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002238)  
na gustong mag-present. So,

**[03:08:09.280] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002239)  
eventually, there's gonna be a proposal.

**[03:08:12.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002240)  
And,

**[03:08:14.020] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002241)  
kung sino man mas magaling sa inyo

**[03:08:15.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002242)  
ng LLDA in assessing

**[03:08:16.860] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002243)  
sustainability, public

**[03:08:19.440] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002244)  
use, etc., okay sa amin yun.

**[03:08:22.600] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002245)  
Diba? So, Mr.

**[03:08:23.380] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002246)  
Chairman, I'll leave it at that and thank you

**[03:08:25.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002247)  
for this. And I hope

**[03:08:27.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002248)  
the ladies and gentlemen appreciate

**[03:08:29.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002249)  
diba, yung

**[03:08:30.800] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002250)  
ano to, July pa,

**[03:08:33.400] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002251)  
September na. Diba?

**[03:08:35.220] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002252)  
Kawawa naman yung mga taong

**[03:08:36.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002253)  
napabanggit,

**[03:08:39.340] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002254)  
naiipit, at kawawa naman

**[03:08:41.300] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002255)  
yung seating hindi nakakapagsalita para

**[03:08:43.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002256)  
sa, siguro eto, last na

**[03:08:45.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002257)  
last na talaga. Nag-BBGC ba

**[03:08:47.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002258)  
kayo?

**[03:08:49.620] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002259)  
Pumapasyal ba kayo sa BGC?

**[03:08:51.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002260)  
Tagig, oh. Siguro naman nage-enjoy

**[03:08:53.260] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002261)  
kayo sa city namin. Kaya si

**[03:08:54.660] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002262)  
siguro naman, konting malasakit

**[03:08:57.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002263)  
din pabalik sa isang siyudad.

**[03:08:59.360] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002264)  
Na nagmamalasakit

**[03:09:01.500] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002265)  
din sa lahat. Thank you, Mr.

**[03:09:02.940] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002266)  
Thank you, Chairman Lopez.

**[03:09:05.540] Senator Alan Peter S. Cayetano** (asr-002267)  
Po.

**[03:09:05.970] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-002267-split-2)  
Thank you and

**[03:09:07.040] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-002268)  
sorry for any inconvenience

**[03:09:09.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-002269)  
in the miscommunication, if any.

**[03:09:12.860] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002270)  
Thank you.

**[03:09:14.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002271)  
Thank you,

**[03:09:15.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002272)  
Minority Leader. Thank you.

**[03:09:18.300] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002273)  
Anyway, there

**[03:09:19.400] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002274)  
being no other questions,

**[03:09:21.640] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002275)  
the fiscal year 2027

**[03:09:23.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002276)  
proposed budget of the

**[03:09:25.380] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002277)  
Philippine Reclamation Authority

**[03:09:26.940] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002278)  
is now or will be submitted.

**[03:09:29.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002279)  
So, plenary consideration.

**[03:09:31.540] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002280)  
Subject, of course, to discussions

**[03:09:33.420] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002281)  
and questions from my

**[03:09:35.620] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002282)  
colleagues in the plenary.

**[03:09:37.340] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002283)  
I hope you'll be prepared by then.

**[03:09:39.800] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002284)  
And submission of

**[03:09:41.500] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002285)  
requested documents. Thank you.

**[03:09:43.240] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-002286)  
Thank you, Senator Erwin.

**[03:09:45.440] PRA Chair Alex Lopez** (asr-002287)  
Thank you so much.

**[03:09:46.440] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002287-split-2)  
Yes, I would like to thank

**[03:09:47.600] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002288)  
the officials and employees of the

**[03:09:49.520] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002289)  
Philippine Reclamation Authority

**[03:09:51.260] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002290)  
for their budget briefing to this committee.

**[03:09:53.900] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002291)  
And I would like to thank Senator

**[03:09:55.580] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002292)  
Cayetano for

**[03:09:57.460] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002293)  
attending this budget briefing. Thank you.

**[03:09:59.360] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002294)  
This budget briefing is hereby suspended.

**[03:10:01.840] Senator Erwin Tulfo** (asr-002295)  
Maraming salamat po.