WEBVTT asr-000001 00:27:17.900 --> 00:27:21.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: The expenditure program of the Commission on Audit is hereby called to order. asr-000002 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I would like to acknowledge the presence of Senator Migz Zubiri. asr-000003 00:27:26.500 --> 00:27:28.180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Our Majority Leader is here at the back. asr-000004 00:27:28.340 --> 00:27:29.840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: He'll be joining us in a while. asr-000005 00:27:32.060 --> 00:27:37.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At this juncture, let me direct the Committee Secretary to acknowledge our resource person. asr-000006 00:27:37.760 --> 00:27:40.620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes, our Majority Leader is present for the day. asr-000007 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:43.880 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I'm here to give my full support to the budget of the COA. asr-000008 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.160 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: More power to you, ladies and gentlemen. asr-000009 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.300 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I think we should give them all the budgetary support that they need, Your Honor. asr-000010 00:27:49.800 --> 00:27:53.860 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Whatever they need, you have my vote for the additional budget. asr-000011 00:27:54.360 --> 00:27:55.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator. asr-000012 00:27:55.280 --> 00:27:56.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, our Majority Leader. asr-000013 00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:58.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you for the support. asr-000014 00:27:59.120 --> 00:28:04.420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At this juncture, again, I'd like to direct the Committee Secretary to acknowledge the resource persons present for the day. asr-000015 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:06.200 Committee Secretary: Thank you, Mr. Chair. asr-000016 00:28:06.260 --> 00:28:06.780 Committee Secretary: Good afternoon. asr-000017 00:28:07.100 --> 00:28:12.140 Committee Secretary: For the briefing on the proposed FY2027 budget of the Commission on Audit or COA, asr-000018 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.640 Committee Secretary: we would like to acknowledge our resource persons. asr-000019 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:15.800 Committee Secretary: From the Commission on Audit, asr-000020 00:28:15.800 --> 00:28:18.200 Committee Secretary: we have Chairperson Gamaliel Cordova, asr-000021 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.020 Committee Secretary: Commissioner Douglas Michael Malilin, asr-000022 00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.300 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Alexander Juliano, asr-000023 00:28:23.760 --> 00:28:25.700 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Nilda Plaras, asr-000024 00:28:25.860 --> 00:28:28.020 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Martha Rosana Sese, asr-000025 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.460 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabotchan, asr-000026 00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:32.700 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Roy Ursal, asr-000027 00:28:33.120 --> 00:28:35.220 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Joel Estolatan, asr-000028 00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:37.400 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Lito Martin, asr-000029 00:28:38.060 --> 00:28:40.080 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Brasilo Sabaldan, asr-000030 00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:42.640 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Lucilas Isidro, asr-000031 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:44.860 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Sofia Guimora, asr-000032 00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:45.640 Committee Secretary: and Assistant Commissioner Estela Mercado. asr-000033 00:28:45.800 --> 00:29:02.940 Committee Secretary: From the Department of Budget and Management, we have Director Elena Regina Brillantes, Ms. Siti Nor Ayma Dimapanat, Ms. Patricia Arabella Villamin, Ms. Christine Love Morales, Ms. Najla Marie Kawaling, and Mr. Clarence Ivar Odsinada. Thank you, Mr. Chair. asr-000034 00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:18.020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, our Committee Secretary. At this juncture, the Chair would like to give his opening statement. Today, we take up the proposed 2027 budget of the Commission Audit, our Constitutional Guardian of Public Funds. asr-000035 00:29:18.020 --> 00:29:32.840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At a time when public confidence in government spending is being tested, COA must be equipped to detect wrongdoing early, verify that projects exist, and work as intended. asr-000036 00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:46.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And hold accountable those who misuse public money. We also want to recognize the men and women of COA who carry out this difficult mandate every day. Their work is often difficult, technical, and done away from public attention. asr-000037 00:29:47.400 --> 00:30:00.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Audit observations and notices of disallowance are not always well received, but are part of the checks and balances that protect public funds. Government agencies should see them not as an attack, but as asr-000038 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:05.920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: an opportunity to explain, correct deficiencies, strengthen internal controls, and improve asr-000039 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the use of public funds. asr-000040 00:30:07.840 --> 00:30:13.080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We want to know whether the funding level under 2027 NEP is enough for the job we expect asr-000041 00:30:13.080 --> 00:30:14.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA to perform. asr-000042 00:30:14.860 --> 00:30:20.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We will look closely at your capacity for fraud and performance audits, field inspections, asr-000043 00:30:21.120 --> 00:30:28.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: information system audits, citizen participation, staffing, and the timely resolution of audit asr-000044 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:28.660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: findings. asr-000045 00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:31.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At the same time, accountability must begin at home. asr-000046 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA itself must meet the same standards of sound financial management, transparency, asr-000047 00:30:37.180 --> 00:30:40.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and internal control that it requires from every government agency. asr-000048 00:30:40.860 --> 00:30:42.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Our objective is simple. asr-000049 00:30:42.540 --> 00:30:48.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Every peso we provide to COA should help protect many more pesos from waste, irregularity, asr-000050 00:30:48.380 --> 00:30:49.980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and corruption. asr-000051 00:30:51.360 --> 00:30:56.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At this point, since our colleagues are not yet here, we'll just ask them for their asr-000052 00:30:56.360 --> 00:30:58.500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: manifestations and their queries later. asr-000053 00:30:58.660 --> 00:31:06.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, may we request the Commission on Audit to brief us on the proposed fiscal year 2027 asr-000054 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: National Expenditure Program. asr-000055 00:31:08.600 --> 00:31:14.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I ask the indulgence of the others to allow the Commission to present and complete their asr-000056 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:14.680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: presentation. asr-000057 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:19.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes, Chairman Gamaliel Cordoba, you now have the floor. asr-000058 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:25.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Opo. Good afternoon to the Honorable Chairperson of the Committee on Finance, Senator JV asr-000059 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ejercito, and to the personnel and officials of asr-000060 00:31:28.660 --> 00:31:31.160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the Committee on Finance of the Senate. asr-000061 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you very much for having us this afternoon. asr-000062 00:31:36.840 --> 00:31:44.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: May I ask Nilda Plaras to present the details of our budget. asr-000063 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:45.680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you very much. asr-000064 00:31:46.220 --> 00:31:51.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes, Assistant Commissioner Nilda Plaras, you now have the floor for the presentation. asr-000065 00:31:52.220 --> 00:31:56.480 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Good afternoon, Chairperson of the Committee on Finance. asr-000066 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:57.620 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Good afternoon, everyone. asr-000067 00:31:57.620 --> 00:32:00.520 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: My fellow COAns and public servants. asr-000068 00:32:02.140 --> 00:32:09.500 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: At this point, I will present to you the major accomplishments of the Commission on Audit asr-000069 00:32:09.500 --> 00:32:19.340 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for fiscal year 2025 and first semester of fiscal year 2026, as well as the budget of asr-000070 00:32:19.340 --> 00:32:23.220 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: the Commission on Audit for fiscal year 2027. asr-000071 00:32:23.740 --> 00:32:28.250 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Under the financial performance. asr-000072 00:32:28.430 --> 00:32:55.120 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As of December 31, 2025, the Commission on Audit received a total allotment of $15.1 billion, and out of this total allotment, 97.36%, or $14.7 billion, was obligated. asr-000073 00:32:55.120 --> 00:33:21.740 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And out of this total obligations incurred of $14.7 billion, 97.33%, or $14.3 billion, was disbursed, resulting to the balances of unobligated allotment of $398 million, and unpaid obligations of $392 million. asr-000074 00:33:21.740 --> 00:33:47.950 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the first semester of fiscal year 2026, COA has an allotment, a total allotment of $15.7 billion, and out of this $15.7 billion, 51.06%, or $8 billion, was obligated. asr-000075 00:33:47.950 --> 00:33:52.950 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And out of this total obligations incurred, 97.3%. asr-000076 00:33:52.990 --> 00:33:58.610 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And out of this total obligations incurred, 97.45%, or $7.8 billion, was disbursed. asr-000077 00:33:59.210 --> 00:34:06.830 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Excuse me, Assistant Commissioner. Our Blue Ribbon Chair, Senator Erwin Tulfo, has joined us. asr-000078 00:34:06.950 --> 00:34:09.410 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, sir, for joining us. Please continue. asr-000079 00:34:09.730 --> 00:34:10.650 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Good afternoon, sir. asr-000080 00:34:11.650 --> 00:34:22.130 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to our fiscal performance under the government auditing program, the COA was able to transmit to the audited agencies, asr-000081 00:34:22.130 --> 00:34:24.590 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: the following reports. asr-000082 00:34:25.250 --> 00:34:40.610 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For fiscal year 2025, 2,663 annual audit reports, 43 fraud audit reports, 10 special audit reports, and 3 performance audit reports. asr-000083 00:34:40.610 --> 00:34:50.350 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the first semester of fiscal year 2026, 2,605 annual audit reports, 10 fraud audit reports, asr-000084 00:34:50.350 --> 00:34:56.210 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 4 special audit reports, and 3 performance audit reports. asr-000085 00:34:56.690 --> 00:35:05.380 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Still under the government auditing program, COA was able to publish in our COA website, asr-000086 00:35:06.060 --> 00:35:10.420 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: the annual audit reports for fiscal year 2025. asr-000087 00:35:11.540 --> 00:35:16.480 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: There were 2,255 annual audit reports. asr-000088 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.460 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the first semester of fiscal year 2026, none. asr-000089 00:35:21.720 --> 00:35:22.480 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Since the... asr-000090 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:31.120 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: The deadline of the transmittal of our annual audit reports to the audited agency was June 30. asr-000091 00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:45.500 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And within 60 days from receipt of the COA annual audit report, the audit agencies are required to submit the status report on the actions taken on the audit observations and recommendations. asr-000092 00:35:45.500 --> 00:35:52.460 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And this status report shall be published together with the annual audit reports. asr-000093 00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:57.780 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: until October 31 of the year. asr-000094 00:35:59.860 --> 00:36:11.960 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the government accountancy program, COA was able to submit reports to the Office of the President, House of Representatives, and Senate. asr-000095 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.960 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For 2025, we submitted... asr-000096 00:36:16.680 --> 00:36:21.960 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 2025 and 2026, we were able to transmit annual reports. asr-000097 00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:27.300 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the report of appropriations, allotments, obligations, and disbursements. asr-000098 00:36:27.860 --> 00:36:38.540 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the annual financial reports of local government, national government, and government corporations, we submitted for fiscal year 2025. asr-000099 00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:44.400 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For 2026, our deadline for submission will be on September 30. asr-000100 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:52.840 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the government accountancy program, COA was able to issue... asr-000101 00:36:53.940 --> 00:36:58.000 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Two circular, COA circulars for fiscal year 2025. asr-000102 00:36:58.660 --> 00:37:04.700 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Two COA circulars for the first semester of first fiscal year 2026. asr-000103 00:37:04.700 --> 00:37:19.720 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the agency users trained and assisted, for fiscal year 2025, we were able to train 3,817 users. asr-000104 00:37:19.720 --> 00:37:23.720 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And for the first semester of fiscal year 2026, asr-000105 00:37:24.460 --> 00:37:29.320 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: we were able to train 2,148 agency users. asr-000106 00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:33.060 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the government financial adjudication program, asr-000107 00:37:33.060 --> 00:37:34.040 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for fiscal year 2025, asr-000108 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:43.600 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: there were 811 cases decided by the Commission proper, asr-000109 00:37:43.600 --> 00:37:48.480 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 587 cases by the national government audit sector, asr-000110 00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:53.600 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 188 cases for the corporate government audit sector, asr-000116 00:37:53.600 --> 00:38:02.560 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: and 571 cases for the local government audit sector. For the first semester asr-000117 00:38:02.560 --> 00:38:12.600 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: of fiscal year 2026, 448 cases were decided by the Commission proper, 116 cases by the national asr-000118 00:38:12.600 --> 00:38:21.120 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: government audit sector, 42 by the corporate government audit sector, and 224 cases for the asr-000119 00:38:21.120 --> 00:38:30.720 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: local government sector. As to our budget under the fiscal year 2027 national expenditure program, asr-000120 00:38:30.720 --> 00:38:43.100 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: we have as approved under the NEP of $16,046,527,000 to be exact. asr-000121 00:38:44.640 --> 00:38:52.500 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And this consists of the agency-specific budget, asr-000122 00:38:52.620 --> 00:39:02.620 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: of $14.77 billion, and retirement and life insurance premium of $1.272 billion. asr-000123 00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:16.760 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Out of this, for the agency-specific budget, it consists of the personal services of $14.036 billion asr-000124 00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:22.420 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: and $737.977 million. asr-000125 00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:27.580 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So we have no capital outlay. asr-000126 00:39:27.720 --> 00:39:37.060 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So the last slide is the comparative data between the NEP as against our budget proposal asr-000127 00:39:37.060 --> 00:39:39.160 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for fiscal year 2027. asr-000128 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:48.060 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the personal services, there is an increase of 1.17%. asr-000129 00:39:48.060 --> 00:39:52.260 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And this is due to the increase in our authorized asr-000130 00:39:52.620 --> 00:39:58.900 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: plantilla positions, and inclusion of the fourth tranche of the Salary Standardization Law. asr-000131 00:39:59.540 --> 00:40:09.380 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Then for the MOOE, 34.48% decrease, and this is pertaining to the first year implementation asr-000132 00:40:09.380 --> 00:40:18.740 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: of the COA ISSP, and additional funding for our citizen participatory audit, MOE requirements. asr-000133 00:40:18.740 --> 00:40:26.280 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Then, zero for, I mean, 100% decrease for our capital outlay. asr-000134 00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:30.900 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So, that's all for the presentation. Thank you very much. asr-000135 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:38.820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Assistant Commissioner Nilda Plaras. I'll ask my colleague, Senator Tulfo, our asr-000136 00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:43.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Blue Ribbon Chair, if he might have a statement or some queries. asr-000137 00:40:43.620 --> 00:40:46.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Just a few quick questions. asr-000138 00:40:46.100 --> 00:40:55.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chair, una po sa lahat kay ASCOM Plaras, ba't wala pong capital outlay? I noticed. asr-000139 00:40:56.620 --> 00:40:59.560 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Wala po sa NEP, although we proposed. asr-000140 00:40:59.820 --> 00:41:01.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Magkano po yung proposal po ninyo? asr-000141 00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:09.450 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 1.177 billion. asr-000142 00:41:09.830 --> 00:41:12.230 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Billion. Para saan po ito? Ano po ang purpose sana? asr-000143 00:41:12.230 --> 00:41:22.770 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the capital outlay, we have the building and other structures. asr-000144 00:41:23.090 --> 00:41:24.990 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Marami pong composition, sir. asr-000145 00:41:26.130 --> 00:41:32.170 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Modernization of our COA building, fire protection works, renovation of our profession. asr-000146 00:41:32.170 --> 00:41:33.390 Senator Erwin Tulfo: When you say, ma'am, I'm sorry. asr-000147 00:41:33.770 --> 00:41:38.030 Senator Erwin Tulfo: When you say modernization of your building, you're building here, your main office, asr-000148 00:41:38.150 --> 00:41:39.610 Senator Erwin Tulfo: malapit sa Sandigan? asr-000149 00:41:39.850 --> 00:41:41.290 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yes, the building one and two po. asr-000150 00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:42.450 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yung old one po. asr-000151 00:41:42.450 --> 00:41:44.370 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Anong year ho ba 'yan naitayo? asr-000152 00:41:44.470 --> 00:41:47.470 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 1970. asr-000153 00:41:47.770 --> 00:41:49.410 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Late sixties po, Your Honor. asr-000154 00:41:49.650 --> 00:41:50.750 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Late sixties, Chairman. asr-000155 00:41:51.050 --> 00:41:51.870 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Opo. asr-000156 00:41:51.870 --> 00:41:52.230 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Opo. asr-000157 00:41:53.230 --> 00:41:59.070 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: With the indulgence of Senator Tulfo, meron lang akong nakita, just to clarify, last year, meron akong asr-000158 00:41:59.070 --> 00:42:02.930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: phase 2 doon sa new four-story building with a basement. asr-000159 00:42:03.350 --> 00:42:08.390 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So tanong ko lang, what's the status, or meron pa tayong phase 3 for this? asr-000160 00:42:08.430 --> 00:42:09.310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ito ba yung one billion? asr-000161 00:42:10.130 --> 00:42:11.410 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Is it part of the phase 3? asr-000162 00:42:11.410 --> 00:42:12.090 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Hindi po, sir. asr-000179 00:42:13.790 --> 00:42:18.510 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yung new building po, yung another na, it's not the old one. asr-000180 00:42:18.590 --> 00:42:19.570 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: We have a new building. asr-000181 00:42:20.010 --> 00:42:21.930 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: That's the 370 po. asr-000182 00:42:22.530 --> 00:42:23.310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ano po status niya? asr-000183 00:42:24.250 --> 00:42:27.050 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Under construction, or nagawa naman po? asr-000184 00:42:27.290 --> 00:42:34.270 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: We are preparing now the plan for phase 2 po. asr-000185 00:42:34.770 --> 00:42:37.090 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ah, so ano pala ito? Phase 2? asr-000186 00:42:37.510 --> 00:42:38.070 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yes po. asr-000187 00:42:38.910 --> 00:42:39.290 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay. asr-000189 00:42:39.710 --> 00:42:41.990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So last year merong 370 million. asr-000190 00:42:42.110 --> 00:42:43.570 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So this year, asr-000191 00:42:43.790 --> 00:42:46.570 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to finish it, is this enough already? asr-000192 00:42:46.870 --> 00:42:47.730 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Wala po, sir. asr-000193 00:42:48.590 --> 00:42:50.450 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Hindi siya kasama dito. asr-000194 00:42:50.650 --> 00:42:51.530 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Sa old building po ito, asr-000195 00:42:52.230 --> 00:42:53.470 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: yung modernization. asr-000196 00:42:54.930 --> 00:42:56.010 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So may facelift pa ba ito? asr-000197 00:42:56.730 --> 00:42:57.270 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Wala na po. asr-000198 00:42:57.650 --> 00:42:57.950 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Wala na. asr-000199 00:42:58.130 --> 00:42:58.550 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ito lang. asr-000200 00:42:59.550 --> 00:43:03.910 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Idagdag ko lang po, Mr. Chair, Senator Tulfo. asr-000201 00:43:04.910 --> 00:43:12.450 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: The old building po, we retrofitted it kasi po natatakot kami because it was made during the asr-000202 00:43:12.450 --> 00:43:13.310 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: old building code pa po. asr-000206 00:43:13.790 --> 00:43:15.370 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So baka po hindi na up to standard. asr-000207 00:43:16.630 --> 00:43:19.630 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I understand where you're coming from. asr-000208 00:43:19.750 --> 00:43:22.690 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sabay ho yata itinayo sa DSWD at saka sa inyo. asr-000209 00:43:23.190 --> 00:43:26.130 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kaya nung mag-earthquake ho, umuuga-uga kami sa DSWD. asr-000210 00:43:26.270 --> 00:43:27.230 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I was the secretary then. asr-000211 00:43:27.730 --> 00:43:28.250 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Number two, sir. asr-000212 00:43:28.270 --> 00:43:31.930 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Baka hindi pa kaya naubos ninyo yung 600 million na inallocate sa inyo last year, asr-000213 00:43:31.970 --> 00:43:33.550 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kaya ayaw ho kayong bigyan. asr-000214 00:43:33.750 --> 00:43:38.050 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Meron kayong 650 million para sa capital outlay? asr-000215 00:43:38.290 --> 00:43:38.610 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes po. asr-000216 00:43:39.130 --> 00:43:40.550 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Have you already utilized that? asr-000217 00:43:40.550 --> 00:43:42.590 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yung 370 million, sir. asr-000218 00:43:42.910 --> 00:43:43.550 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: We're waiting asr-000219 00:43:43.790 --> 00:43:49.470 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for the transfer of the building from DPWH kasi it is implemented by the asr-000220 00:43:49.470 --> 00:43:49.770 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: DPWH. asr-000221 00:43:50.390 --> 00:43:55.390 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So our GSO is now preparing for phase 2. asr-000222 00:43:56.010 --> 00:44:01.210 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Once the building will be transferred, that's the time na ma-implement na po. asr-000223 00:44:01.510 --> 00:44:06.030 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Itong request ho ninyo for this year, is it really a must, Mr. Chairman? asr-000224 00:44:06.630 --> 00:44:08.070 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kailangang-kailangan ba ito? asr-000225 00:44:08.070 --> 00:44:13.670 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kung kailangang-kailangan at hindi nga maibibigay, pero ano ho yung asr-000226 00:44:13.670 --> 00:44:16.230 Senator Erwin Tulfo: medyo malapit-lapit sa realization sa hingi ninyo na one billion? asr-000227 00:44:16.350 --> 00:44:17.730 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ano yung pwedeng malapit-lapit man lang? asr-000228 00:44:18.010 --> 00:44:18.450 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ah. asr-000229 00:44:19.630 --> 00:44:20.770 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Si ASCOM Nilda na po ang sasagot. asr-000230 00:44:21.350 --> 00:44:23.290 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Go ahead, ASCOM Plaras. asr-000231 00:44:24.250 --> 00:44:29.310 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: First, sir, ang pinakaimportante namin is the information and communication technology asr-000232 00:44:29.310 --> 00:44:30.530 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: equipment and software. asr-000233 00:44:32.350 --> 00:44:35.790 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Ang pinaka-last nga namin yung sa modernization of the building. asr-000234 00:44:37.310 --> 00:44:41.470 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Then the second for us is the semi-expendable ICT items. asr-000235 00:44:42.190 --> 00:44:42.530 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: This is the... asr-000236 00:44:42.530 --> 00:44:46.590 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So yung priority po ninyo, information and communication? asr-000237 00:44:47.590 --> 00:44:51.670 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How much is the total of that information and communication sa breakdown? asr-000238 00:44:52.110 --> 00:44:54.550 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 297.6 million po. asr-000239 00:44:55.410 --> 00:44:57.250 Senator Erwin Tulfo: 297.6 million. asr-000240 00:44:57.490 --> 00:44:57.670 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yes po. asr-000241 00:44:58.150 --> 00:44:59.950 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Part of the capital outlay? asr-000242 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung susunod po, ano? asr-000243 00:45:02.080 --> 00:45:04.280 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Part of the MOE, which is asr-000244 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.740 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Communication Equipment asr-000245 00:45:06.740 --> 00:45:08.560 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: and Software Subscription asr-000246 00:45:08.560 --> 00:45:10.420 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: and asr-000247 00:45:10.420 --> 00:45:12.680 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Internet asr-000248 00:45:12.680 --> 00:45:14.220 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Subscription para sa asr-000249 00:45:14.220 --> 00:45:16.540 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Provincial Satellite Auditing Offices asr-000250 00:45:16.540 --> 00:45:17.220 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: po namin. asr-000251 00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:20.760 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So yun ang MOE part po, sir. asr-000252 00:45:20.860 --> 00:45:22.140 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Pero yung pinakaimportante po, yung asr-000253 00:45:22.140 --> 00:45:23.440 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: information and communication. asr-000254 00:45:24.080 --> 00:45:26.400 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: It is a priority. asr-000255 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.400 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Alright. Thank you, asr-000256 00:45:28.500 --> 00:45:29.760 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ASCOM Plaras. asr-000257 00:45:30.500 --> 00:45:32.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chair, I have another asr-000258 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:34.140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: question, pero please proceed asr-000259 00:45:34.140 --> 00:45:36.640 Senator Erwin Tulfo: to the budget-related. I just want to ask asr-000260 00:45:36.640 --> 00:45:38.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Chairman Cordova. asr-000261 00:45:38.600 --> 00:45:39.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sir, what have you done asr-000262 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: after all these asr-000263 00:45:42.060 --> 00:45:44.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: investigations by the Blue asr-000264 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ribbon last year? Yung ating asr-000265 00:45:46.220 --> 00:45:48.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung ating mga COA personnel, medyo may mga asr-000266 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:49.740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ikang asr-000267 00:45:49.740 --> 00:45:52.460 Senator Erwin Tulfo: pagkukulang din na lumusot po asr-000268 00:45:52.460 --> 00:45:54.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa kanila. Have you made any asr-000269 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.720 Senator Erwin Tulfo: changes para hindi na po maulit asr-000270 00:45:56.720 --> 00:45:58.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: para hindi malusutan asr-000271 00:45:58.580 --> 00:45:59.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung ating COA personnel? asr-000272 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Or hindi maging kasabwat asr-000273 00:46:02.220 --> 00:46:03.140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa ikang asr-000274 00:46:03.140 --> 00:46:06.420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: nefarious asr-000275 00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:08.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: activities? Have you done asr-000276 00:46:08.040 --> 00:46:09.160 Senator Erwin Tulfo: something about this? asr-000277 00:46:09.620 --> 00:46:11.600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you for the question, Mr. Chair, asr-000278 00:46:11.740 --> 00:46:13.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Sen. Tulfo. Ang ginawa po natin asr-000279 00:46:13.900 --> 00:46:16.180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay unang-una, yung po mga areas asr-000280 00:46:16.180 --> 00:46:17.680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kung saan po nangyari yung mga asr-000281 00:46:17.680 --> 00:46:20.500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: problem sa flood control asr-000282 00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:22.220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay nagpa-fraud audit po tayo. asr-000283 00:46:22.580 --> 00:46:24.340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So that's number one. Number two po asr-000284 00:46:24.340 --> 00:46:26.280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay yung mga personnel na asr-000285 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: doon nakasign ay nilipat na po asr-000286 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:29.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: natin. Tinanggal po natin doon. asr-000287 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:30.820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And then asr-000288 00:46:30.820 --> 00:46:33.960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: nag-file po kami ng cases against asr-000289 00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:34.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: them, Your Honors. asr-000290 00:46:35.420 --> 00:46:37.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How often po ang ikang asr-000291 00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:39.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: rotation? Do you rotate asr-000292 00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:41.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: your people? For example, asr-000293 00:46:41.820 --> 00:46:43.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: itong auditor na ito sa asr-000294 00:46:43.560 --> 00:46:45.280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bulacan, 1st District, asr-000295 00:46:45.740 --> 00:46:47.640 Senator Erwin Tulfo: how long will he or she stay there? asr-000296 00:46:47.780 --> 00:46:49.660 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Or hanggang sa magretiro siya asr-000297 00:46:49.660 --> 00:46:51.680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: o you rotate them para walang asr-000298 00:46:51.680 --> 00:46:53.600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: familiarization ng mga officials, asr-000299 00:46:53.900 --> 00:46:55.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: etc.? As a general asr-000300 00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:57.540 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: rule po, three years po, Your Honors. asr-000301 00:46:57.540 --> 00:46:59.200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Three years. Then they get rotated? asr-000302 00:46:59.300 --> 00:46:59.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes po. asr-000303 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Kiniikot po sila. asr-000304 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:02.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chair, one last question. asr-000305 00:47:04.060 --> 00:47:05.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ongoing po ang aming asr-000306 00:47:05.300 --> 00:47:07.680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: impeachment trial, asr-000307 00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:09.820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ang sinasabi po, ongoing asr-000308 00:47:09.820 --> 00:47:11.320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: din po ang inyong mga review asr-000309 00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.660 Senator Erwin Tulfo: doon po sa mga motion asr-000310 00:47:13.660 --> 00:47:15.620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: for reconsideration sa Office of the asr-000311 00:47:15.620 --> 00:47:17.680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Vice President, and ganoon din asr-000312 00:47:17.680 --> 00:47:19.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: po yung when she was with the Education asr-000313 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:21.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Department. Ano na ho asr-000314 00:47:21.560 --> 00:47:22.440 Senator Erwin Tulfo: status nito? asr-000315 00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:25.240 Senator Erwin Tulfo: We want to find out kasi asr-000316 00:47:25.240 --> 00:47:28.000 Senator Erwin Tulfo: her people, asr-000317 00:47:28.700 --> 00:47:29.580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: mga former asr-000318 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.660 Senator Erwin Tulfo: officials, they're pointing to you na asr-000319 00:47:31.660 --> 00:47:33.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: they're just waiting. Sinagot naman daw nila asr-000320 00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:35.460 Senator Erwin Tulfo: po yung mga AOMs ninyo, asr-000321 00:47:36.100 --> 00:47:37.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: discrepancies, so they're asr-000322 00:47:37.780 --> 00:47:39.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: waiting. Ano ho ang status na nito? asr-000323 00:47:39.680 --> 00:47:42.060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: And if kailan po asr-000324 00:47:42.060 --> 00:47:43.320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: natin malalaman, asr-000325 00:47:43.560 --> 00:47:45.700 Senator Erwin Tulfo: your ruling or your decision na asr-000326 00:47:45.700 --> 00:47:47.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: acceptable yung mga asr-000327 00:47:47.540 --> 00:47:48.600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ikang asr-000328 00:47:48.600 --> 00:47:51.620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: evidence that they asr-000329 00:47:51.620 --> 00:47:53.760 Senator Erwin Tulfo: filed or ikang asr-000330 00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:55.820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: reasons that they submitted asr-000331 00:47:55.820 --> 00:47:57.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: to your office to qualify asr-000332 00:47:57.980 --> 00:47:59.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: or justify yung asr-000333 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kanila pong expenses, lalo na po asr-000334 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:03.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa Confidential Fund asr-000335 00:48:03.120 --> 00:48:05.600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng agency, Chairman. asr-000336 00:48:06.260 --> 00:48:07.660 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you, Your Honors. asr-000337 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:09.580 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yung pong tungkol po asr-000338 00:48:09.580 --> 00:48:11.360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa Confidential Funds po ng asr-000339 00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:12.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Office of the Vice President, asr-000340 00:48:13.580 --> 00:48:15.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: galing po doon sa Fraud Audit asr-000341 00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:17.420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Office, nagkaroon na po ng asr-000342 00:48:17.420 --> 00:48:19.100 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ND doon, inakyat na po nila. asr-000343 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:19.680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: They had asr-000344 00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:23.680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: six months to bring it up asr-000345 00:48:23.680 --> 00:48:25.860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to the Commission, so inakyat na po asr-000346 00:48:25.860 --> 00:48:27.620 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa amin ng Office of the Vice President, and we asr-000347 00:48:27.620 --> 00:48:29.680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: actually decided on it already, Your Honors. asr-000348 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We denied po asr-000349 00:48:31.700 --> 00:48:33.840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the appeal of the asr-000350 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:35.460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: OVP doon po sa asr-000351 00:48:35.460 --> 00:48:37.480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: office of the Vice President, asr-000352 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:39.920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: but they filed a motion for reconsideration. asr-000353 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:41.680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yun po ang pending po sa amin ngayon. asr-000354 00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:43.620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, the asr-000355 00:48:43.620 --> 00:48:45.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: first motion was denied. asr-000356 00:48:46.040 --> 00:48:46.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes po. asr-000356-split-2 00:48:46.700 --> 00:48:47.480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, nasa second asr-000357 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:48.500 Senator Erwin Tulfo: motion. asr-000357-split-2 00:48:48.500 --> 00:48:49.100 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Opo. asr-000358 00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:51.820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: The appeal po was denied, so they asr-000359 00:48:51.820 --> 00:48:53.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: filed a motion for reconsideration. asr-000360 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:55.620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: After this, sir, asr-000361 00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:57.940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung sakasakali, kung whatever happens asr-000362 00:48:57.940 --> 00:48:59.740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: like it's still unacceptable, asr-000363 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I mean, we're not so sure, whatever asr-000364 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:03.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: your decisions, baka may mga additional asr-000365 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:05.980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: evidence po sila, documents to asr-000366 00:49:05.980 --> 00:49:08.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: present, sabihin na natin na asr-000367 00:49:08.120 --> 00:49:09.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ganun pa rin po. What's going asr-000368 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to happen na? Then they can go to asr-000369 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:13.640 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the Supreme Court po, Your Honor, asr-000370 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: on Rule 64 of the Rules of Court po. asr-000371 00:49:16.660 --> 00:49:17.500 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Okay. So, asr-000372 00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:20.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: the last recourse nila asr-000373 00:49:20.040 --> 00:49:21.140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: will be the Supreme Court. asr-000373-split-2 00:49:21.140 --> 00:49:21.860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, Your Honor. asr-000374 00:49:22.020 --> 00:49:23.840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Is it possible po ba, or is it asr-000375 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: confidential that, can you publish asr-000376 00:49:26.260 --> 00:49:26.800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: our asr-000377 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: the impeachment court, asr-000378 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:31.920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: documentations about this, asr-000379 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I mean, about your reports, kung sakasakaling asr-000380 00:49:34.100 --> 00:49:36.040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: lumabas na kayo after it's asr-000381 00:49:36.040 --> 00:49:37.600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: a motion for reconsideration? asr-000382 00:49:37.700 --> 00:49:40.080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yeah, we will do that po. Actually po, asr-000383 00:49:40.240 --> 00:49:42.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Your Honor, we can submit a copy of asr-000384 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the decision nung nauna, asr-000385 00:49:44.060 --> 00:49:45.520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: at saka po yung motion for asr-000386 00:49:45.520 --> 00:49:48.140 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: reconsideration na desisyon namin pag lumabas na po. asr-000387 00:49:48.260 --> 00:49:49.560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How many more months asr-000388 00:49:49.560 --> 00:49:51.820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: you have to make a decision on do sa asr-000389 00:49:51.820 --> 00:49:53.270 Senator Erwin Tulfo: MR po nila? asr-000389-split-2 00:49:53.270 --> 00:49:54.080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Siguro po mga asr-000390 00:49:54.080 --> 00:49:55.720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: a month or so lang po, Your Honor. asr-000391 00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:57.030 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Tapusin na po namin. asr-000391-split-2 00:49:57.030 --> 00:49:57.780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Another month or so? asr-000392 00:49:57.880 --> 00:49:58.230 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, sir. asr-000392-split-2 00:49:58.230 --> 00:49:59.540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you po, Mr. Chairman po. asr-000393 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Idagdag ko lang po, Your Honor, yung pong sa asr-000394 00:50:01.720 --> 00:50:04.260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Office of the DepEd naman po, asr-000395 00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:06.400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: nung pong nilabas asr-000396 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:07.560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ng ND, yung asr-000397 00:50:07.560 --> 00:50:10.320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Intelligence and Confidential Funds asr-000398 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:11.840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Audit Office, yung pong ND, asr-000399 00:50:12.500 --> 00:50:13.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: they have until October asr-000400 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: this year, October 5 asr-000401 00:50:16.240 --> 00:50:18.400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po, this year, to file an appeal. asr-000402 00:50:18.620 --> 00:50:19.600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, wala pa po ina-ante. asr-000402-split-2 00:50:19.600 --> 00:50:20.240 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, yung sa asr-000403 00:50:20.240 --> 00:50:21.260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: DepEd, di ba po sila nag-appeal? asr-000403-split-2 00:50:21.260 --> 00:50:22.280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Di pa po. asr-000404 00:50:22.300 --> 00:50:23.050 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung sa OVP lang? asr-000404-split-2 00:50:23.050 --> 00:50:23.800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes. asr-000405 00:50:23.900 --> 00:50:26.300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung giving them asr-000406 00:50:26.300 --> 00:50:26.960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: one more month? asr-000406-split-2 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:27.520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes. asr-000406-split-3 00:50:27.520 --> 00:50:28.120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Alright. asr-000407 00:50:28.460 --> 00:50:29.880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you po. Thank you po, Mr. Chair. asr-000408 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator Tulfo. asr-000409 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:33.880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you for your questions. That will be asr-000410 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: helpful also in our asr-000411 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for the impeachment. asr-000412 00:50:40.520 --> 00:50:42.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Just a few questions. asr-000413 00:50:43.720 --> 00:50:45.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Verificatory questions. asr-000414 00:50:45.620 --> 00:50:48.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Under your support to operations, asr-000415 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:50.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: may 169 million na nakalaan asr-000416 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for legal assistance services. asr-000417 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:53.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sino-sino po ba ang asr-000418 00:50:53.860 --> 00:50:55.440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: nag-avail ng legal assistance na ito? asr-000419 00:50:56.060 --> 00:50:57.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasama po ba rito yung mga asr-000420 00:50:57.520 --> 00:50:59.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA auditors and personnel who face asr-000421 00:50:59.860 --> 00:51:01.940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: harassment, intimidation asr-000422 00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:03.420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or legal action simply because asr-000423 00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:06.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: they perform their duties, particularly asr-000424 00:51:06.120 --> 00:51:08.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: after issuing audit reports asr-000425 00:51:08.240 --> 00:51:09.760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or notices of asr-000426 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: disallowance. I raise this asr-000427 00:51:12.020 --> 00:51:13.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: because we have seen COA personnel testify asr-000428 00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:16.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: even in high-profile asr-000429 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:17.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: proceedings, tulad ng impeachment, asr-000430 00:51:18.520 --> 00:51:19.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: including the asr-000431 00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kapag ang isang auditor ay nanindigan asr-000432 00:51:22.260 --> 00:51:23.780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa kanyang findings at ginawa asr-000433 00:51:23.780 --> 00:51:25.780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: lamang kanyang trabaho, dapat bang asr-000434 00:51:25.780 --> 00:51:27.740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: may assurance siya na hindi siya asr-000435 00:51:27.740 --> 00:51:29.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: pababayaan ng institusyon. So, what legal? asr-000436 00:51:29.860 --> 00:51:30.760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And institutional asr-000437 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: protection does COA provide asr-000438 00:51:33.100 --> 00:51:35.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to the auditors who face retaliation asr-000439 00:51:35.380 --> 00:51:37.660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: because of their official findings asr-000440 00:51:37.660 --> 00:51:39.660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or testimonies? asr-000441 00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:41.300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you, Your Honors. asr-000442 00:51:42.140 --> 00:51:43.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ascom Sabaldan po will answer that. asr-000443 00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:45.320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: He's the head of our legal service. asr-000444 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ascom Sabaldan, please. asr-000445 00:51:48.820 --> 00:51:49.720 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: Good morning, Your Honor. asr-000446 00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:51.840 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: Good morning, Senator Tulfo. asr-000447 00:51:52.560 --> 00:51:53.520 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: COA has asr-000448 00:51:53.520 --> 00:51:55.720 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: the so-called prosecution asr-000449 00:51:55.720 --> 00:51:57.140 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: and litigation office, asr-000450 00:51:57.140 --> 00:51:59.200 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: one of which functions is asr-000451 00:51:59.200 --> 00:52:01.300 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: to assist our auditors asr-000452 00:52:01.300 --> 00:52:03.420 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: in case of asr-000453 00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:05.200 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: harassment suits asr-000454 00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:07.320 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: or retaliatory suits asr-000455 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:08.380 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: against them. asr-000456 00:52:10.060 --> 00:52:11.080 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: Budgetary-wise, asr-000457 00:52:11.220 --> 00:52:13.360 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: we also have budget line item, asr-000458 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.360 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: the so-called legal assistance asr-000459 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.600 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: fund, which will asr-000460 00:52:17.600 --> 00:52:19.220 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: cover, asr-000461 00:52:20.020 --> 00:52:20.920 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: say, for example, asr-000462 00:52:21.160 --> 00:52:22.540 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: if our asr-000463 00:52:22.540 --> 00:52:25.280 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: auditors or if our asr-000464 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:26.820 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: former auditors will asr-000465 00:52:26.820 --> 00:52:29.080 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: secure the assistance of a private asr-000466 00:52:29.080 --> 00:52:31.260 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: private lawyers. asr-000467 00:52:32.160 --> 00:52:34.500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, yung pong asr-000468 00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:36.740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 169 million allocation, asr-000469 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:38.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: is it sufficient to provide asr-000470 00:52:38.560 --> 00:52:40.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for the protection of our COA asr-000471 00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:41.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: auditors and personnel? asr-000472 00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.140 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: I think so, sir. Pwede po. asr-000473 00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:45.440 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: Sufficient po yan. asr-000474 00:52:45.860 --> 00:52:48.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi talaga, recently, talagang with the asr-000475 00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:49.440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: high-profile cases, asr-000476 00:52:49.640 --> 00:52:51.920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the COA auditors have been asr-000477 00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:53.480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: asked to testify. asr-000478 00:52:55.140 --> 00:52:56.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi na ako magtatanong asr-000479 00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:57.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kasi baka sub judice tayo. asr-000480 00:52:58.100 --> 00:53:00.340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But I think very familiar yung mga pangalan, asr-000481 00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: nyo, recently. asr-000482 00:53:03.180 --> 00:53:03.500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, asr-000483 00:53:04.560 --> 00:53:06.080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: pagdating dito sa flood control, asr-000484 00:53:06.380 --> 00:53:08.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: fraud audits, and the continued investigation, asr-000485 00:53:08.420 --> 00:53:09.820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: dahil itong pinakamainit, the biggest asr-000486 00:53:09.820 --> 00:53:10.740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: corruption asr-000487 00:53:10.740 --> 00:53:14.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: scandal in the history of our government, asr-000488 00:53:15.640 --> 00:53:16.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the government asr-000489 00:53:16.300 --> 00:53:18.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: has confirmed the investigations into alleged asr-000490 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: flood control anomalies remain ongoing. asr-000491 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:22.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sabi rin ng Office of the Ombudsman kanina, asr-000492 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:23.740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: tuloy-tuloy ang filing of cases asr-000493 00:53:23.740 --> 00:53:25.940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: after a year or so. asr-000494 00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:28.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ngayon, nagpa-file, asr-000495 00:53:28.300 --> 00:53:29.960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: tuloy-tuloy pa rin po yung kanilang, asr-000496 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:32.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: preliminary investigations asr-000497 00:53:32.860 --> 00:53:34.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and subsequent filing asr-000498 00:53:34.540 --> 00:53:35.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of cases. asr-000499 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:37.760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, ang ano natin, asr-000500 00:53:39.160 --> 00:53:39.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ito, ongoing, asr-000501 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:42.320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yung mga projects that maybe go asr-000502 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:44.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: substandard or ineffective, tuloy-tuloy pa yung asr-000503 00:53:44.520 --> 00:53:46.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: investigations ng COA, as you mentioned. asr-000504 00:53:46.780 --> 00:53:48.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA has the constitutional asr-000505 00:53:48.600 --> 00:53:50.500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: mandate to audit public expenditures asr-000506 00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:52.320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and a dedicated special audit asr-000507 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: subprogram for fraud, special asr-000508 00:53:54.660 --> 00:53:55.840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and performance audit. asr-000509 00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:58.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, what is COA asr-000510 00:53:58.040 --> 00:54:00.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: doing now? Kanina, partially, nasagot nyo naman na po. asr-000511 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kung ano po yung ginawa nyo rin sa mga asr-000512 00:54:02.520 --> 00:54:04.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: auditors asr-000513 00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:06.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or personnel who were involved in asr-000514 00:54:06.380 --> 00:54:08.760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the flood control scandal sa ghost projects. asr-000515 00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:10.160 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Some were charged, asr-000516 00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:11.960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: as you mentioned, Chairman. asr-000517 00:54:12.580 --> 00:54:14.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, what is COA doing now on a nationwide asr-000518 00:54:14.540 --> 00:54:16.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: basis to identify and act on asr-000519 00:54:16.240 --> 00:54:18.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: anomalous flood control and other asr-000520 00:54:18.300 --> 00:54:19.420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: infrastructure projects? asr-000521 00:54:21.120 --> 00:54:21.980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mr. Chair, asr-000522 00:54:22.120 --> 00:54:24.500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang una pong tinutuunan namin ng pansin ngayon, asr-000523 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:26.360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: we are coordinating with the asr-000524 00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:28.320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Office of the Ombudsman asr-000525 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: dahil yun pong aming mga auditors, asr-000526 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa mga region, sa mga asr-000527 00:54:32.240 --> 00:54:34.280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: probinsya, sila po ang nagiging witness po asr-000528 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:36.340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ng Office of the Ombudsman sa mga cases filed asr-000529 00:54:36.340 --> 00:54:38.180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: in the Sandigan Bayan asr-000530 00:54:38.180 --> 00:54:40.340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: or in the RTC or during preliminary asr-000531 00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:42.380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: investigation. Also, Your Honor, asr-000532 00:54:42.460 --> 00:54:44.420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa aming pong Fraud Audit Office, so far, asr-000533 00:54:44.640 --> 00:54:46.180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: medyo busy po sila. asr-000534 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:48.480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Nakatapos na po kami ng almost asr-000535 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:50.520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: 50 na fraud audit asr-000536 00:54:50.520 --> 00:54:51.440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: reports. asr-000537 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:53.640 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And ito pong lahat, asr-000538 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:56.020 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mr. Chairman, has already been submitted asr-000539 00:54:56.020 --> 00:54:58.300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to the Office of the Ombudsman asr-000540 00:54:58.300 --> 00:55:00.320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and ginagamit naman po nila ito dun sa asr-000541 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: mga preliminary investigation asr-000542 00:55:02.200 --> 00:55:03.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: lalo na sa mga cases that they filed. asr-000543 00:55:04.040 --> 00:55:06.240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, tuloy-tuloy lang po kami, and hindi asr-000544 00:55:06.240 --> 00:55:08.360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: naman po kahihinto, tuloy-tuloy lang asr-000545 00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:10.060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po hanggang sa makover po namin lahat. asr-000546 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:11.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But of course, Your Honors, asr-000547 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:13.820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang aming pong kinonsentratan asr-000548 00:55:13.820 --> 00:55:15.920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa ngayon ay yung asr-000549 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: province of Bulacan because dito po talaga asr-000550 00:55:18.120 --> 00:55:19.600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang parang lumalabas na asr-000551 00:55:19.600 --> 00:55:22.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ground zero of this asr-000552 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:23.400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: flood control projects. asr-000553 00:55:25.160 --> 00:55:25.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, sir. asr-000554 00:55:26.380 --> 00:55:27.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, thank you. Chairman asr-000555 00:55:27.720 --> 00:55:30.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Gamaliel Cordoba, asr-000556 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so what is the process asr-000557 00:55:32.040 --> 00:55:33.980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and expected timeline for elevating asr-000558 00:55:33.980 --> 00:55:35.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: itong mga audit findings or fraud asr-000559 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: indicators to the Ombudsman? May timeline na kayo? asr-000560 00:55:38.340 --> 00:55:39.200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po, Your Honors, asr-000561 00:55:39.720 --> 00:55:42.300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: after matapos po asr-000562 00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:43.400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: namin, we already, asr-000563 00:55:43.780 --> 00:55:44.820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: pagka-issue po ng asr-000564 00:55:44.820 --> 00:55:48.060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: fraud audit report, kasama na po ang notice of asr-000565 00:55:48.060 --> 00:55:49.960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: disallowance, we filed it po right away asr-000566 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:51.380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: with the Office of the Ombudsman. asr-000567 00:55:52.720 --> 00:55:53.920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Pagkatapos po, binibigay na po namin asr-000568 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.020 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: agad sa kanila, and then ginagamit asr-000569 00:55:56.020 --> 00:55:57.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po nila ito sa pag-imbestiga, asr-000570 00:55:58.020 --> 00:56:00.080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: preliminary investigation, and filing of cases. asr-000571 00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:01.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po yun pong aming mga asr-000572 00:56:01.700 --> 00:56:04.060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: fraud auditors ay ginagamitin po nila asr-000573 00:56:04.060 --> 00:56:05.800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: as witnesses doon po sa mga cases asr-000574 00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:07.840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: filed before the asr-000575 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:09.860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: preliminary investigation asr-000576 00:56:09.860 --> 00:56:12.080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa kanila pong, sa cases asr-000577 00:56:12.080 --> 00:56:13.720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa Sandigan Bayan at sa RTC po. asr-000578 00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:15.300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Humaharap na po kami doon, Your Honor. asr-000579 00:56:15.740 --> 00:56:17.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, thank you. Lastly, we'll go up asr-000580 00:56:17.860 --> 00:56:19.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to a published consolidated findings asr-000581 00:56:19.720 --> 00:56:21.740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or a public status report so asr-000582 00:56:21.740 --> 00:56:23.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Congress can track the scope, asr-000583 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: results, and disposition of these audits. asr-000584 00:56:26.540 --> 00:56:27.780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We'll do that po, Your Honors, asr-000585 00:56:27.900 --> 00:56:30.240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: but we will submit to you po. asr-000586 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:35.190 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We will issue asr-000587 00:56:35.190 --> 00:56:36.610 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ano po, yung pong mga asr-000588 00:56:36.610 --> 00:56:38.290 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: annual audit reports asr-000589 00:56:38.290 --> 00:56:40.950 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay nagpapadala po kami asr-000590 00:56:40.950 --> 00:56:42.690 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa Senate at sa asr-000591 00:56:42.690 --> 00:56:44.690 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: House of Representatives, but we'll also asr-000592 00:56:44.690 --> 00:56:46.590 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: publish it po as of asr-000593 00:56:46.590 --> 00:56:48.270 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: October, until asr-000594 00:56:48.270 --> 00:56:51.030 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: October 31. Pero yung pong fraud audit asr-000595 00:56:51.030 --> 00:56:52.730 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay magpapadala po kami sa inyo ng asr-000596 00:56:52.730 --> 00:56:54.730 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: physical copies dahil asr-000597 00:56:54.730 --> 00:56:57.030 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: mas madali po ninyong magagamit asr-000598 00:56:57.030 --> 00:56:57.450 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po ito. asr-000599 00:56:58.290 --> 00:57:00.730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Then I came across earlier asr-000600 00:57:00.730 --> 00:57:02.930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: parang news article, itong asr-000601 00:57:03.010 --> 00:57:04.430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kay COA Commissioner, former asr-000602 00:57:04.430 --> 00:57:06.530 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Commissioner Heidi Mendoza issued a statement asr-000603 00:57:06.530 --> 00:57:08.710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: recently about urging COA asr-000604 00:57:08.710 --> 00:57:10.430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to pursue criminal cases against asr-000605 00:57:10.430 --> 00:57:12.690 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: government officials implicated asr-000606 00:57:12.690 --> 00:57:14.730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in the misuse of public funds instead asr-000607 00:57:14.730 --> 00:57:16.750 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of limiting its action to asr-000608 00:57:16.750 --> 00:57:18.250 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: issuing notices of asr-000609 00:57:18.250 --> 00:57:20.850 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: disallowance. So may I know the reaction asr-000610 00:57:20.850 --> 00:57:22.650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of COA about this? asr-000611 00:57:23.090 --> 00:57:24.850 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po, Your Honors, paglabas po asr-000612 00:57:24.850 --> 00:57:26.490 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: namin ng notice of disallowance, asr-000613 00:57:26.930 --> 00:57:28.730 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: we also endorse asr-000614 00:57:28.730 --> 00:57:30.330 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: it to the Office of the Ombudsman po. asr-000615 00:57:30.790 --> 00:57:32.770 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Copy-furnish po sila para po if asr-000616 00:57:33.010 --> 00:57:34.330 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: they deem fit to asr-000617 00:57:34.330 --> 00:57:37.250 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: use the notices of disallowance asr-000618 00:57:37.250 --> 00:57:38.330 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and our actions asr-000619 00:57:38.330 --> 00:57:40.850 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to pursue cases, ay asr-000620 00:57:40.850 --> 00:57:42.770 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: pwede po nilang gawin. And ready naman po kami asr-000621 00:57:42.770 --> 00:57:44.810 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: makipag-cooperate and be witnesses asr-000622 00:57:44.810 --> 00:57:45.830 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kung kailangan po. asr-000623 00:57:46.950 --> 00:57:48.890 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: In other words po, parang kami na rin po asr-000624 00:57:48.890 --> 00:57:50.890 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang nagpo-file sa Office of the Ombudsman, Your Honor. asr-000625 00:57:51.750 --> 00:57:52.670 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, thank you. asr-000626 00:57:53.350 --> 00:57:54.930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: With regards to manpower asr-000627 00:57:54.930 --> 00:57:56.870 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: complement, in terms of staffing, asr-000628 00:57:57.050 --> 00:57:57.830 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA has asr-000629 00:57:57.830 --> 00:58:00.850 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 13,378 authorized asr-000630 00:58:00.850 --> 00:58:02.970 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: permanent positions as of June 13, asr-000631 00:58:03.010 --> 00:58:04.490 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 2026. asr-000632 00:58:05.050 --> 00:58:07.010 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 8,693 positions asr-000633 00:58:07.010 --> 00:58:08.910 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or 65% of the total asr-000634 00:58:08.910 --> 00:58:10.470 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: are filled, leaving asr-000635 00:58:10.470 --> 00:58:12.790 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 4,685 positions asr-000636 00:58:12.790 --> 00:58:14.990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: vacant. May I request an update on the current asr-000637 00:58:14.990 --> 00:58:16.350 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: number of positions filled, asr-000638 00:58:17.330 --> 00:58:18.830 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: including the total number of state asr-000639 00:58:18.830 --> 00:58:20.510 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: auditors currently employed by COA. asr-000640 00:58:21.490 --> 00:58:22.670 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Given the current asr-000641 00:58:22.670 --> 00:58:24.730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: staffing level, does the existing manpower asr-000642 00:58:24.730 --> 00:58:26.910 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sufficiently address COA's workload asr-000643 00:58:26.910 --> 00:58:28.650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and enable it to fulfill its mandate asr-000644 00:58:28.650 --> 00:58:30.810 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: as a guardian of public funds? asr-000645 00:58:31.810 --> 00:58:32.370 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, ito po. asr-000646 00:58:33.010 --> 00:58:34.710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Can you give us the status? asr-000647 00:58:34.930 --> 00:58:36.810 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Itong ano, may 4,685 asr-000648 00:58:36.810 --> 00:58:40.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: positions vacant po tayo. asr-000649 00:58:40.560 --> 00:58:41.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tapos, ano pa, no? asr-000650 00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:43.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: During the budget hearing at the House, asr-000651 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: it was noted that some auditors leave COA asr-000652 00:58:45.940 --> 00:58:47.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for higher salaries. asr-000653 00:58:47.780 --> 00:58:50.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ito yung mga problema natin: greener asr-000654 00:58:50.060 --> 00:58:51.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: pastures, asr-000655 00:58:52.040 --> 00:58:54.020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: More flexible work arrangements, transfers asr-000656 00:58:54.020 --> 00:58:55.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to other agencies or retirement. asr-000657 00:58:56.420 --> 00:58:57.920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, what measures or initiatives asr-000658 00:58:57.920 --> 00:58:59.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: is COA proposing to improve asr-000659 00:58:59.560 --> 00:59:01.960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: retention, ensure the continued service asr-000660 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:03.620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of our experienced auditors? asr-000661 00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:07.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mr. Chair, may I respectfully ask asr-000662 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan asr-000663 00:59:10.600 --> 00:59:12.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to answer the question po. asr-000664 00:59:12.080 --> 00:59:14.160 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Assistant Commissioner Cabochan, asr-000665 00:59:14.500 --> 00:59:14.880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: you have the floor. asr-000666 00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:16.460 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Mr. Chair, good afternoon. asr-000667 00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:19.000 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, based on our asr-000668 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:20.440 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: report on the asr-000669 00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:22.260 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: accession and separation asr-000670 00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:24.420 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: and exit surveys, asr-000671 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:26.760 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: show that the high separation asr-000672 00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:28.780 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: rates outpace asr-000673 00:59:28.780 --> 00:59:31.020 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: the momentum of our recruitment cycle. asr-000674 00:59:32.020 --> 00:59:32.960 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And of asr-000675 00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:34.300 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 4,544 asr-000676 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.340 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: total vacant asr-000677 00:59:36.340 --> 00:59:38.480 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: positions, asr-000678 00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:40.460 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 82% asr-000679 00:59:40.460 --> 00:59:41.780 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: are auditor positions. asr-000680 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:44.440 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, notably po, asr-000681 00:59:44.940 --> 00:59:46.440 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: ito po yung parang asr-000682 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:49.100 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: based on the system ranking of positions po, asr-000683 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:50.820 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: meron pong category ito. asr-000684 00:59:51.220 --> 00:59:52.640 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: May entry level ng asr-000685 00:59:52.640 --> 00:59:54.840 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: state auditing examiner asr-000686 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:56.600 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: examiner 2, which is the asr-000687 00:59:56.600 --> 00:59:58.520 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: entry level. Then, asr-000688 00:59:58.680 --> 00:59:59.840 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: after a year, asr-000689 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.100 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: you are to be promoted to State Auditor 1, 2, 3, 4, up to 5. asr-000690 01:00:06.660 --> 01:00:13.560 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So based on our records, the State Auditing Examiner 2 out of the unfilled positions asr-000691 01:00:13.560 --> 01:00:19.000 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: consists of 832, and this is the entry level. asr-000692 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:23.980 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So we have already utilized it for 68% na po ito. asr-000693 01:00:23.980 --> 01:00:30.060 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Kasi we cannot promote, we have to follow administrative rules asr-000694 01:00:30.060 --> 01:00:32.220 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: in terms of the ranking of positions. asr-000695 01:00:33.060 --> 01:00:39.200 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So after the entry level of State Auditing Examiner, after a year, asr-000696 01:00:39.940 --> 01:00:43.580 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: this can be promoted na po sa State Auditor 1, asr-000697 01:00:43.580 --> 01:00:48.840 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: and after, we have to follow po yung system ranking of positions. asr-000698 01:00:49.140 --> 01:00:50.620 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So we're doing that po. asr-000699 01:00:51.140 --> 01:00:53.780 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So it will take, notably po, it will take, asr-000700 01:00:53.980 --> 01:01:01.260 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: a span of months because of the compliance with the administrative rules of the Civil Service po. asr-000701 01:01:02.200 --> 01:01:07.060 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, but we, for the past years po, for the last three years po, asr-000702 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:11.780 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: we have already conducted substantial recruitment. asr-000703 01:01:12.120 --> 01:01:18.440 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: However, yung pong separation po, medyo mas, majority of the percentage po, asr-000704 01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:20.180 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: goes to mandatory po. asr-000705 01:01:20.260 --> 01:01:23.940 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Ang dami na po ngayong nag-re-retire. asr-000706 01:01:23.980 --> 01:01:29.400 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Upon reaching 60, they wouldn't like to be staying hanggang 65 po. asr-000707 01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:34.220 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And yung pong mga less than, yung mga newly recruits naman po natin, asr-000708 01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:40.520 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: mostly yung mga less than 10 years, are transferring to private, yes po. asr-000709 01:01:41.660 --> 01:01:45.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, siguro, Chairman, I can ask also Commissioner Cabochan, asr-000710 01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:50.820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: are there any specific plans to enhance compensation, improve the benefits, asr-000711 01:01:50.820 --> 01:01:53.960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para yung working conditions, to improve the working conditions, asr-000712 01:01:53.980 --> 01:01:57.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to address these concerns na meron. asr-000713 01:01:57.260 --> 01:02:02.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sabi nyo nga na, na outpace tayo nung pag-retire sa yung recruitment, asr-000714 01:02:03.500 --> 01:02:07.820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: tsaka yung retention, no, marami lumilipat ng ibang ahensya, asr-000715 01:02:08.220 --> 01:02:10.100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or go to private practice. asr-000716 01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:11.180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, what are we doing? asr-000717 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:15.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Any plans to enhance the compensation benefits? asr-000718 01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:20.120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po, your honors, ang atin pong kasing challenge is that the commission audit is, asr-000719 01:02:20.120 --> 01:02:23.120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: we have to follow the salary standardization. asr-000720 01:02:23.980 --> 01:02:27.220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, naka ano po tayo doon. asr-000721 01:02:27.260 --> 01:02:31.840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But as much as we can, ginagandahan naman po namin yung mga pwedeng ibigay sa tao. asr-000722 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:40.080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Like, for example, for this year, we were able to bid out and finish the contract for the HMO, asr-000723 01:02:40.300 --> 01:02:43.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: yung pong sa aming medical benefits ng aming pong tao. asr-000724 01:02:44.040 --> 01:02:51.140 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Tinaasan po namin yung, what's this, yung pong limits and coverage sa hospitals. asr-000725 01:02:51.620 --> 01:02:53.280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, maganda naman po yun. asr-000726 01:02:53.420 --> 01:02:53.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And then, asr-000727 01:02:53.980 --> 01:03:03.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But co-workers are authorized to fix and determine your salaries, allowances, and other benefits for your personnel. asr-000728 01:03:03.620 --> 01:03:04.520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ano po, we are, asr-000729 01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:10.500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Hindi po, we are, ano sir, we are, we have to follow the salary standardization. asr-000730 01:03:10.500 --> 01:03:18.820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Kung mapapansin niyo po, your honor, yung pong aming budget for 2027 is actually salaries po talaga. asr-000731 01:03:19.600 --> 01:03:22.800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Maliitan po yung MOE and then no capital expenditure po. asr-000732 01:03:27.820 --> 01:03:30.620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, now, we'll wait for the other centers to come, no? asr-000733 01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:33.760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But I'll ask that questions nonetheless. asr-000734 01:03:35.080 --> 01:03:35.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes. asr-000735 01:03:42.100 --> 01:03:50.980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At this juncture, we acknowledge the arrival of our Deputy Majority Leader, Senator Joel Villanueva. asr-000736 01:03:51.740 --> 01:03:53.480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, sir, for joining us. asr-000737 01:03:54.140 --> 01:03:54.540 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. asr-000738 01:03:54.620 --> 01:03:56.400 Senator Joel Villanueva: Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. asr-000739 01:03:56.560 --> 01:03:57.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm here to support. asr-000740 01:03:58.560 --> 01:04:02.040 Senator Joel Villanueva: And as I have said, I am your backup guy here. asr-000741 01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:03.820 Senator Joel Villanueva: And, of course, we welcome. asr-000742 01:04:03.900 --> 01:04:13.900 Senator Joel Villanueva: Our COA family, headed by our good friend, Chairperson Del Cordoba, and our commissioners, of course, Commissioner Douglas is here. asr-000743 01:04:14.080 --> 01:04:14.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. asr-000744 01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:17.280 Senator Joel Villanueva: Katatanong ko lang yung lagi po tinatanong sa mga ahensya. asr-000745 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:20.560 Senator Joel Villanueva: Medyo malaki yung kanilang vacancies, no? asr-000746 01:04:20.680 --> 01:04:21.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung unfilled position. asr-000747 01:04:22.020 --> 01:04:28.700 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, probably, COA continues to carry a large number of vacancies. asr-000748 01:04:29.560 --> 01:04:31.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, what is the realistic hiring? asr-000749 01:04:31.640 --> 01:04:33.640 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pero nabanggit kanina ni Commissioner Cabochan. asr-000750 01:04:33.900 --> 01:04:35.520 Senator Joel Villanueva: But yan kanina yung mga, ano eh, no? asr-000751 01:04:36.020 --> 01:04:43.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung mga dilema nila na they're losing to retirement, to private practice. asr-000752 01:04:44.680 --> 01:04:49.000 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, meron na rin sila ginagawa to improve the benefits and other, ano. asr-000753 01:04:49.120 --> 01:04:50.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, siguro, briefly lang. asr-000754 01:04:51.100 --> 01:04:54.140 Senator Joel Villanueva: Alam ko concern ng aking kaibigang kasama yan. asr-000755 01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:57.620 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Okay. asr-000756 01:04:57.620 --> 01:05:05.460 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: A while ago po, we discussed that the data or the rate of the accession and separation asr-000757 01:05:05.460 --> 01:05:06.040 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: and exit surveys. asr-000758 01:05:06.200 --> 01:05:12.420 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: It showed that the high separation rates outpaced the momentum of our recruitment asr-000759 01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:13.460 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: cycle po. asr-000760 01:05:14.020 --> 01:05:23.920 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Of the 4,544 po, this attributed to 82% po na vacant positions for auditors. asr-000761 01:05:24.220 --> 01:05:25.020 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Auditors positions. asr-000762 01:05:25.080 --> 01:05:26.160 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Sorry, how many again? asr-000763 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:28.940 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 4,544. asr-000764 01:05:28.940 --> 01:05:29.240 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 4,544. asr-000765 01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:35.940 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And out of this po, 82%, which is 3,727, are auditor positions. asr-000766 01:05:36.200 --> 01:05:45.120 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Then po, dito po sa ano natin, ang auditor positions po are categorized into several asr-000767 01:05:45.120 --> 01:05:46.080 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: levels po. asr-000768 01:05:46.540 --> 01:05:51.100 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: The entry position po is State Auditing Examiner 2 po. asr-000769 01:05:51.740 --> 01:05:57.980 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, entry level po yun, after po performance of one year, you can be promoted to State asr-000770 01:05:57.980 --> 01:06:03.020 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Auditor 1, State Auditor 2, State Auditor 3, hanggang 5 po. asr-000771 01:06:03.020 --> 01:06:05.720 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, this is basically based po. asr-000772 01:06:05.720 --> 01:06:10.140 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Sa compliance po ng administrative rules ng civil service. asr-000773 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:13.800 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, we follow the system ranking of positions. asr-000774 01:06:14.980 --> 01:06:21.900 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, basically, the State Auditing Examiner 2, which is the entry level, comprises po asr-000775 01:06:21.900 --> 01:06:28.720 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: ng 832 lang and we already utilize 68% of this. asr-000776 01:06:28.720 --> 01:06:35.700 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: But upon entry po, we have to follow po muna bago po maipromote sila. asr-000777 01:06:35.720 --> 01:06:37.800 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, that's why state auditor one. asr-000778 01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:41.020 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: After a while, state auditor two po. asr-000779 01:06:41.020 --> 01:06:50.590 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yun po yung comprising noon 3,727. asr-000780 01:06:50.590 --> 01:06:52.510 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, yeah. asr-000781 01:06:52.510 --> 01:06:55.950 Senator Joel Villanueva: That's all of Mr. Chair. asr-000782 01:06:55.950 --> 01:06:57.050 Senator Joel Villanueva: Go ahead, Senator Villanueva. asr-000783 01:06:57.050 --> 01:06:59.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: I've been raising this particular issue for quite some time. asr-000784 01:06:59.870 --> 01:07:02.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: I think I sound like a broken record. asr-000785 01:07:02.130 --> 01:07:07.010 Senator Joel Villanueva: I think for every single budget deliberation here in the Senate. asr-000786 01:07:07.010 --> 01:07:07.430 Senator Joel Villanueva: I would raise it. asr-000790 01:07:07.850 --> 01:07:14.230 Senator Joel Villanueva: It has been growing, you know. I remember when I started doing this as a congressman, asr-000791 01:07:14.230 --> 01:07:24.190 Senator Joel Villanueva: they're only about 250 000 uh contract of uh service job orders in the country now it's about asr-000792 01:07:24.190 --> 01:07:30.170 Senator Joel Villanueva: a million about a million all over the country including the lgs of course the biggest the asr-000793 01:07:30.170 --> 01:07:35.710 Senator Joel Villanueva: biggest violator is the local government units and that's why every time we talk about the issue of asr-000794 01:07:35.710 --> 01:07:42.850 Senator Joel Villanueva: security of tenure it's quite hard if not almost impossible to convince the private sector asr-000795 01:07:42.850 --> 01:07:56.570 Senator Joel Villanueva: and now in koa i was looking at this uh data you have is this correct 4540 for unfilled positions asr-000796 01:07:56.570 --> 01:08:03.730 Senator Joel Villanueva: and then this unfilled position nevertheless you provide a lump sum in filling up asr-000797 01:08:03.730 --> 01:08:05.210 Senator Joel Villanueva: uh asr-000798 01:08:05.710 --> 01:08:07.450 Senator Joel Villanueva: dispositions right so asr-000799 01:08:07.450 --> 01:08:16.010 Senator Joel Villanueva: uh right now you were saying 82 percent of the 4544 are asr-000800 01:08:16.010 --> 01:08:20.630 Senator Joel Villanueva: so these positions are asr-000801 01:08:20.630 --> 01:08:25.570 Senator Joel Villanueva: it's either asr-000802 01:08:25.570 --> 01:08:35.170 Senator Joel Villanueva: or hindi hindi talaga viable for instance i was in tesda and uh asr-000803 01:08:35.710 --> 01:08:45.310 Senator Joel Villanueva: chairman liel knows about this we had this only one position for legal um uh legal services asr-000804 01:08:45.310 --> 01:08:50.350 Senator Joel Villanueva: namin iisa yung abogado and then salary grade i forgot the salary grade pero asr-000805 01:08:50.350 --> 01:09:01.390 Senator Joel Villanueva: pang ano talaga pang uh pang uh sg 23 yun po pang nagtitinda ng ano uh dyan sa kalye no asr-000806 01:09:01.390 --> 01:09:04.910 Senator Joel Villanueva: eh abogado yun so talagang papasok no so asr-000807 01:09:05.710 --> 01:09:11.930 Senator Joel Villanueva: lagyan ko yung mga naging problema in the past years we were able to uh touch on this and then asr-000808 01:09:11.930 --> 01:09:20.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: there came the government's optimization program the the build that i actually uh authored as well asr-000809 01:09:20.130 --> 01:09:28.290 Senator Joel Villanueva: it's now a law in fact chairman jv would would uh would know this very well because i was being the asr-000810 01:09:28.290 --> 01:09:34.650 Senator Joel Villanueva: vice chairman of this committee i was given the task to somehow uh sponsor the budget of asr-000811 01:09:34.830 --> 01:09:35.550 Senator Joel Villanueva: optical media asr-000812 01:09:35.710 --> 01:09:42.710 Senator Joel Villanueva: job board and the commission on filipinos overseas which i believe should be abolished asr-000813 01:09:42.710 --> 01:09:52.370 Senator Joel Villanueva: i have been pushing for it i was the author of the migrant workers act establishing the asr-000814 01:09:52.370 --> 01:09:59.210 Senator Joel Villanueva: department of migrant workers and we did not include the commission on filipinos overseas asr-000815 01:09:59.210 --> 01:10:05.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: for that particular reason and then the omv i don't know every year i've been saying this asr-000816 01:10:05.090 --> 01:10:14.770 Senator Joel Villanueva: but but but the db in the in the tbcc hearing conducted by by senator jv the executive already asr-000817 01:10:14.770 --> 01:10:23.410 Senator Joel Villanueva: made mention about their plans no and one or top five perhaps would be the omv and the cfo of asr-000818 01:10:23.410 --> 01:10:28.930 Senator Joel Villanueva: course we are not against uh we are definitely for the protection of their workers and do asr-000819 01:10:28.930 --> 01:10:34.330 Senator Joel Villanueva: naman yun meron naman tayong magandang program at plan para sa kanila ang sakin lang in every asr-000820 01:10:34.330 --> 01:10:34.850 Senator Joel Villanueva: agency asr-000821 01:10:34.850 --> 01:10:41.970 Senator Joel Villanueva: in every department may kanya kanya iba iba yung position nila so in koa ano yung pinaka main asr-000822 01:10:41.970 --> 01:10:48.050 Senator Joel Villanueva: problem why we couldn't fill this up because last year one out of ten one out of ten in all asr-000823 01:10:48.050 --> 01:10:54.690 Senator Joel Villanueva: government positions unfilled ngayon nag improve pero hindi ganun kalaki one out of 13 but i'm asr-000824 01:10:54.690 --> 01:11:03.970 Senator Joel Villanueva: still monitoring it uh unfortunately uh buong buhay ko sa sa test da sa senado parang hindi asr-000825 01:11:04.850 --> 01:11:10.690 Senator Joel Villanueva: usang a-pitat to define yung gusto kong puntakan but at least someone is looking at it and uh asr-000826 01:11:10.690 --> 01:11:17.210 Senator Joel Villanueva: nagagawa naman na unte-unte na na bibigyan solution ng problema may we know again yung asr-000827 01:11:17.210 --> 01:11:20.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: root cause dito sa unfilled positions uh ma'am asr-000827-split-2 01:11:20.500 --> 01:11:25.030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: yes po for our records will show you po though asr-000828 01:11:25.030 --> 01:11:28.090 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: we have conducted significant efforts on the asr-000829 01:11:28.090 --> 01:11:29.730 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: hiring po, but asr-000830 01:11:29.730 --> 01:11:31.890 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: definitely po mas na-outweigh asr-000831 01:11:31.890 --> 01:11:32.930 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: po yung separation. asr-000832 01:11:32.930 --> 01:11:34.950 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Like for, asr-000833 01:11:34.950 --> 01:11:36.930 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: nakapag-hire po kami asr-000834 01:11:36.930 --> 01:11:38.910 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: for the last five years asr-000835 01:11:38.910 --> 01:11:41.070 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: dito na two thousand, yes po, asr-000836 01:11:41.410 --> 01:11:43.270 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: for better opportunities po, asr-000837 01:11:43.530 --> 01:11:44.750 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: for higher pay, asr-000838 01:11:45.130 --> 01:11:47.490 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: and yung proximity sa residence po. asr-000839 01:11:47.510 --> 01:11:48.810 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: At di mapag-tay pang makasuhan. asr-000840 01:11:49.630 --> 01:11:50.050 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yes. asr-000841 01:11:50.770 --> 01:11:52.950 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And yung pong alternative work arrangement asr-000842 01:11:52.950 --> 01:11:54.790 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: din po, council at po, asr-000843 01:11:55.190 --> 01:11:57.070 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: on the decision to asr-000844 01:11:57.070 --> 01:11:58.410 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: transfer to other, asr-000845 01:11:58.890 --> 01:12:01.130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: yes, to other offices po. asr-000846 01:12:01.130 --> 01:12:03.030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, yung po yung nakakasuhan. asr-000847 01:12:03.030 --> 01:12:04.670 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Separation yung ngayon, yung umahalis. asr-000848 01:12:05.570 --> 01:12:06.710 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Okay, sir. Ito po, asr-000849 01:12:06.810 --> 01:12:08.350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: meron akong data rito. asr-000850 01:12:09.330 --> 01:12:11.030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: The data for the asr-000851 01:12:11.030 --> 01:12:12.450 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: last five years po. asr-000852 01:12:12.690 --> 01:12:14.830 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Interested. Yes po. We have asr-000853 01:12:14.830 --> 01:12:16.870 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: the accession is about two thousand asr-000854 01:12:16.870 --> 01:12:17.850 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: five hundred twelve. asr-000855 01:12:18.730 --> 01:12:20.550 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And the separation po is asr-000856 01:12:20.550 --> 01:12:22.810 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: two thousand one hundred ninety-three. asr-000857 01:12:23.330 --> 01:12:25.030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And basically po, dito lang asr-000858 01:12:25.030 --> 01:12:26.530 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: po kami sa last year, asr-000859 01:12:26.990 --> 01:12:28.650 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: twenty-twenty-five, nagkaroon ng asr-000860 01:12:28.650 --> 01:12:31.070 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: positive rate. Dun lang asr-000861 01:12:31.070 --> 01:12:32.910 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: po. Pero talaga asr-000862 01:12:32.910 --> 01:12:34.570 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: pong, ang ano po nito, asr-000863 01:12:34.710 --> 01:12:36.670 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: ang mandatory po, na mga asr-000864 01:12:36.670 --> 01:12:39.310 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: separation namin is five hundred seventy-five. asr-000865 01:12:39.630 --> 01:12:40.850 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Optional po is asr-000866 01:12:40.850 --> 01:12:42.790 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: eight hundred eighty-six. asr-000867 01:12:44.410 --> 01:12:45.130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Resignation asr-000868 01:12:45.130 --> 01:12:46.970 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: four hundred twenty-two asr-000869 01:12:46.970 --> 01:12:48.450 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: po. Ito po yung mga asr-000870 01:12:48.450 --> 01:12:51.010 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: lumilipat. Yes. asr-000871 01:12:51.170 --> 01:12:52.770 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: For greener pasture po. asr-000872 01:12:52.850 --> 01:12:54.630 Senator Joel Villanueva: I asked that question, ma'am, kasi it's asr-000873 01:12:54.630 --> 01:12:57.030 Senator Joel Villanueva: it could be asr-000874 01:12:57.030 --> 01:12:58.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: bothering. It should be bothering asr-000875 01:12:58.870 --> 01:13:01.050 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the leadership. asr-000876 01:13:01.070 --> 01:13:01.850 Senator Joel Villanueva: As well, because asr-000877 01:13:01.850 --> 01:13:05.190 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know, maybe it shows asr-000878 01:13:05.190 --> 01:13:07.190 Senator Joel Villanueva: that they are asr-000879 01:13:07.190 --> 01:13:09.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: not being compensated well, or asr-000880 01:13:09.070 --> 01:13:11.230 Senator Joel Villanueva: are we at par when you talk asr-000881 01:13:11.230 --> 01:13:12.010 Senator Joel Villanueva: about, Chairman, asr-000882 01:13:12.310 --> 01:13:14.950 Senator Joel Villanueva: benefits and salaries with other asr-000883 01:13:14.950 --> 01:13:15.550 Senator Joel Villanueva: countries? asr-000884 01:13:16.950 --> 01:13:18.630 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you, Mr. Chair, asr-000885 01:13:18.790 --> 01:13:20.910 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Senator Joel. Actually po, asr-000886 01:13:21.430 --> 01:13:23.130 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang isang malaking factor po would be asr-000887 01:13:23.130 --> 01:13:25.030 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the work in other countries. Dahil yung asr-000888 01:13:25.030 --> 01:13:26.890 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po kasing work ng accountant asr-000889 01:13:26.890 --> 01:13:28.910 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay madali po silang asr-000890 01:13:28.910 --> 01:13:30.850 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: makakuha din ng trabaho po sa ibang asr-000891 01:13:31.070 --> 01:13:32.950 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa. And of course, yung mga private asr-000892 01:13:32.950 --> 01:13:34.850 Senator Joel Villanueva: salaries that we're talking about. asr-000893 01:13:35.070 --> 01:13:36.450 Senator Joel Villanueva: I mean, how do we compare our asr-000894 01:13:36.450 --> 01:13:38.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm sure we're not at par, but asr-000895 01:13:38.870 --> 01:13:41.050 Senator Joel Villanueva: how big is the asr-000896 01:13:41.050 --> 01:13:41.310 Senator Joel Villanueva: gap? asr-000897 01:13:41.310 --> 01:13:41.830 Senator Joel Villanueva: Wala po. asr-000898 01:13:42.350 --> 01:13:45.190 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Okay. We follow asr-000899 01:13:45.190 --> 01:13:46.830 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: the standardization law po. asr-000900 01:13:46.990 --> 01:13:49.130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So our entry level is state asr-000901 01:13:49.130 --> 01:13:51.010 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: auditing examiner 2, which is asr-000902 01:13:51.010 --> 01:13:52.610 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: around SG 13. asr-000903 01:13:53.270 --> 01:13:54.390 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Around thirty asr-000904 01:13:54.390 --> 01:13:57.150 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: thirty-six thousand. asr-000905 01:13:57.850 --> 01:13:58.630 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Your Honor, asr-000906 01:13:58.850 --> 01:14:00.090 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: thirty-six thousand po. asr-000907 01:14:01.070 --> 01:14:03.350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Then CPA ka po, and the risk asr-000908 01:14:03.350 --> 01:14:05.270 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: of being an auditor when you asr-000909 01:14:05.270 --> 01:14:07.190 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: will be hearing a lot of news asr-000910 01:14:07.190 --> 01:14:09.370 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: na si auditor ganito, ganito. asr-000911 01:14:09.990 --> 01:14:11.630 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, maybe po, asr-000912 01:14:11.830 --> 01:14:13.290 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: yung po yung medyo hindi asr-000913 01:14:13.290 --> 01:14:15.350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: nakaka-entice for asr-000914 01:14:15.350 --> 01:14:17.030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: the newly CPAs po na asr-000915 01:14:17.030 --> 01:14:19.230 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: pumasok to be asr-000916 01:14:19.230 --> 01:14:21.430 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: included in their dream to be asr-000917 01:14:21.430 --> 01:14:22.810 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: part of our workforce. asr-000918 01:14:22.850 --> 01:14:24.990 Senator Joel Villanueva: Part dyan, yung mental health asr-000919 01:14:24.990 --> 01:14:27.790 Senator Joel Villanueva: dapat hindi ka kinakalawang asr-000920 01:14:27.790 --> 01:14:28.890 Senator Joel Villanueva: na asr-000921 01:14:28.890 --> 01:14:31.030 Senator Joel Villanueva: matibay ka, matigas ang asr-000922 01:14:31.070 --> 01:14:33.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: matigas din ang ulo mo. asr-000923 01:14:33.710 --> 01:14:34.290 Senator Joel Villanueva: But anyway, asr-000924 01:14:35.110 --> 01:14:37.170 Senator Joel Villanueva: and then if you compare it to asr-000925 01:14:37.170 --> 01:14:38.510 Senator Joel Villanueva: other countries, like asr-000926 01:14:38.510 --> 01:14:39.970 Senator Joel Villanueva: in a government asr-000927 01:14:39.970 --> 01:14:42.950 Senator Joel Villanueva: position, may idea po kayo? asr-000928 01:14:43.210 --> 01:14:43.430 Senator Joel Villanueva: Why? asr-000929 01:14:45.090 --> 01:14:46.590 Senator Joel Villanueva: Para lang ano natin, no? Kasi asr-000930 01:14:46.590 --> 01:14:48.310 Senator Joel Villanueva: tinitignan natin yung asr-000931 01:14:48.310 --> 01:14:51.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung kalagayan ng ating asr-000932 01:14:51.070 --> 01:14:52.810 Senator Joel Villanueva: mga manggagawa. Chairperson tayo ng asr-000933 01:14:52.810 --> 01:14:53.710 Senator Joel Villanueva: Committee on Labor. asr-000934 01:14:54.110 --> 01:14:56.750 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So far po, Your Honor, wala po akong asr-000935 01:14:56.750 --> 01:14:58.790 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: idea, pero definitely po kasi asr-000936 01:14:58.790 --> 01:14:59.990 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: yung may asr-000937 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:01.700 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: niece is employed asr-000938 01:15:01.700 --> 01:15:04.840 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: sa Dubai asr-000939 01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:06.060 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: an accountant asr-000940 01:15:06.060 --> 01:15:08.600 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 300,000 asr-000941 01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:10.360 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: if you convert it asr-000942 01:15:10.360 --> 01:15:11.920 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: sa niece ko po yun asr-000943 01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:13.300 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: na nandun siya asr-000944 01:15:13.300 --> 01:15:15.360 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: That's in the private sector? asr-000945 01:15:15.480 --> 01:15:16.500 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yeah, it's a private sector. asr-000946 01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: But still, you're looking at about 10% asr-000947 01:15:19.240 --> 01:15:21.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: 10% nung kinikita asr-000948 01:15:21.440 --> 01:15:22.920 Senator Joel Villanueva: nung nandun sa abroad asr-000949 01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:24.840 Senator Joel Villanueva: so that's the asr-000950 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:26.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: primary reason why asr-000951 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:28.460 Senator Joel Villanueva: why asr-000952 01:15:28.460 --> 01:15:30.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: why this asr-000953 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:32.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: our human resources asr-000954 01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:35.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: would go for greener pastures asr-000955 01:15:35.100 --> 01:15:36.740 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman asr-000956 01:15:36.740 --> 01:15:38.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you, sorry for interrupting asr-000957 01:15:38.420 --> 01:15:41.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Likewise, as mentioned by Chairperson asr-000958 01:15:41.260 --> 01:15:42.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Gamaliel Cordoba earlier asr-000959 01:15:42.580 --> 01:15:44.880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: they're improving asr-000960 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:46.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa HMO at this yung health asr-000961 01:15:46.360 --> 01:15:48.760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: benefits so probably you can asr-000962 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:50.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: briefly you can asr-000963 01:15:50.400 --> 01:15:52.680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: inform asr-000964 01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:55.100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of what you have done for the health asr-000965 01:15:55.100 --> 01:15:56.340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: benefits asr-000966 01:15:56.340 --> 01:15:58.340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ang isa po kunwari asr-000967 01:15:58.340 --> 01:16:00.400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: na inayos namin would be for asr-000968 01:16:00.400 --> 01:16:01.520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: we already asr-000969 01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:03.940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: got an HMO asr-000970 01:16:03.940 --> 01:16:06.200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: medyo mataas po ang coverage asr-000971 01:16:06.200 --> 01:16:07.500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: for our employees asr-000972 01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:09.780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and then of course asr-000973 01:16:09.780 --> 01:16:12.100 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: tuloy-tuloy naman po yung asr-000974 01:16:12.100 --> 01:16:13.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: yung ibang ginagawa namin asr-000975 01:16:13.700 --> 01:16:14.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: like asr-000976 01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:19.240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: pero ito po sana meron kaming asr-000977 01:16:19.240 --> 01:16:21.360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: proposal kung kami po inyong matutulungan asr-000978 01:16:21.360 --> 01:16:22.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ayan na, Mr. Chairman asr-000979 01:16:22.240 --> 01:16:24.840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Meron po kasi kaming asr-000980 01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:27.200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: proposed law asr-000981 01:16:27.200 --> 01:16:29.240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: on the exemption from the SSL asr-000982 01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:31.940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and retirement system of the Commission on Audit asr-000983 01:16:31.940 --> 01:16:34.260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kung ano po yung magpapatulong kami sa inyo asr-000984 01:16:34.260 --> 01:16:36.220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kasi po very important lang yung work po asr-000985 01:16:36.220 --> 01:16:37.300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ng aming mga accountants asr-000986 01:16:37.300 --> 01:16:39.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: I would support that, Mr. Chairman asr-000987 01:16:39.080 --> 01:16:41.280 Senator Joel Villanueva: and I'd be happy to push for it asr-000988 01:16:41.280 --> 01:16:43.660 Senator Joel Villanueva: Your Honor, Mr. Chairman asr-000989 01:16:43.660 --> 01:16:46.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: I really think with all these asr-000990 01:16:46.260 --> 01:16:48.000 Senator Joel Villanueva: things that we're talking about asr-000991 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.700 Senator Joel Villanueva: the percentage of workers asr-000992 01:16:50.700 --> 01:16:52.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: that lives asr-000993 01:16:52.200 --> 01:16:54.320 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman asr-000994 01:16:54.320 --> 01:16:56.580 Senator Joel Villanueva: na-experience namin yan sa TESDA asr-000995 01:16:56.580 --> 01:16:58.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: during those times when we were trying asr-000996 01:16:58.720 --> 01:16:59.640 Senator Joel Villanueva: to get as much asr-000997 01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:00.980 Senator Joel Villanueva: as we can asr-000998 01:17:00.980 --> 01:17:03.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: a number of assessors asr-000999 01:17:03.260 --> 01:17:04.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: teachers asr-001000 01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:06.920 Senator Joel Villanueva: for example, yung master welders asr-001001 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:08.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: master carpenters asr-001002 01:17:08.100 --> 01:17:11.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: after training for quite some time asr-001003 01:17:11.080 --> 01:17:12.880 Senator Joel Villanueva: we give scholarships pa asr-001004 01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:15.060 Senator Joel Villanueva: pagkatapos nilang gumraduate asr-001005 01:17:15.060 --> 01:17:16.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: they would go abroad, definitely asr-001006 01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:18.880 Senator Joel Villanueva: because 300,000 versus asr-001007 01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:21.000 Senator Joel Villanueva: 30,000, it's so easy to make asr-001008 01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:21.640 Senator Joel Villanueva: that decision asr-001009 01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:24.900 Senator Joel Villanueva: for a blue-collar job asr-001010 01:17:24.900 --> 01:17:26.920 Senator Joel Villanueva: so, ang problema nun asr-001011 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:28.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung mga schools asr-001012 01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:29.480 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung mga test asr-001013 01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:34.380 Senator Joel Villanueva: regulated asr-001014 01:17:34.380 --> 01:17:36.520 Senator Joel Villanueva: not regulated, everything is regulated by TESDA asr-001015 01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:37.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: TESDA asr-001016 01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:40.400 Senator Joel Villanueva: TEIs asr-001017 01:17:40.400 --> 01:17:41.220 Senator Joel Villanueva: TESDA asr-001018 01:17:41.220 --> 01:17:43.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: what do you call that? asr-001019 01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:46.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung mga hawak ng TESDA asr-001020 01:17:46.620 --> 01:17:49.120 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung directly being administered asr-001021 01:17:49.120 --> 01:17:50.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: TESDA administered schools asr-001022 01:17:50.500 --> 01:17:52.580 Senator Joel Villanueva: TESDA administered schools asr-001023 01:17:52.580 --> 01:17:53.840 Senator Joel Villanueva: nauubusan ng guro asr-001024 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:55.660 Senator Joel Villanueva: nauubusan ng guro asr-001025 01:17:55.660 --> 01:17:58.380 Senator Joel Villanueva: in the middle of the program asr-001026 01:17:58.380 --> 01:17:59.660 Senator Joel Villanueva: mag-aabroad asr-001027 01:17:59.680 --> 01:18:02.340 Senator Joel Villanueva: itong nakaraang mga World Cup asr-001028 01:18:02.340 --> 01:18:03.320 Senator Joel Villanueva: lahat yan asr-001029 01:18:03.320 --> 01:18:05.860 Senator Joel Villanueva: until now nga may tumatawag sa akin asr-001030 01:18:05.860 --> 01:18:07.160 Senator Joel Villanueva: for example, yung METI asr-001031 01:18:07.160 --> 01:18:10.700 Senator Joel Villanueva: Middle East Institute of Technology asr-001032 01:18:10.700 --> 01:18:12.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: tumawag po sa akin asr-001033 01:18:12.940 --> 01:18:13.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: senador na po ako asr-001034 01:18:13.940 --> 01:18:17.160 Senator Joel Villanueva: he was looking for 4,000 welders asr-001035 01:18:17.160 --> 01:18:19.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: akala niya nasa TESDA pa asr-001036 01:18:19.240 --> 01:18:20.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: I connected with TESDA asr-001037 01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:23.380 Senator Joel Villanueva: they were only able to give asr-001038 01:18:23.380 --> 01:18:26.340 Senator Joel Villanueva: parang less than 800 names asr-001039 01:18:26.340 --> 01:18:27.120 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman asr-001040 01:18:27.120 --> 01:18:29.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: and that's the main reason asr-001041 01:18:29.100 --> 01:18:29.560 Senator Joel Villanueva: why? asr-001042 01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:31.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: why there's a big gap asr-001043 01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:34.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: dun sa skill sets ng mga gumagraduates asr-001044 01:18:34.440 --> 01:18:36.480 Senator Joel Villanueva: tsaka yung kailangan ng industry asr-001045 01:18:36.480 --> 01:18:37.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: and in this case asr-001046 01:18:37.440 --> 01:18:38.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: I really think na asr-001047 01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:41.460 Senator Joel Villanueva: we cannot afford to asr-001048 01:18:41.460 --> 01:18:43.060 Senator Joel Villanueva: to lose our human resources asr-001049 01:18:43.060 --> 01:18:46.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't think asr-001050 01:18:46.440 --> 01:18:47.860 Senator Joel Villanueva: kailangan umasa na tayo asr-001051 01:18:47.860 --> 01:18:48.640 Senator Joel Villanueva: at this time asr-001052 01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:50.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: kumasa na tayo sa robots lahat asr-001053 01:18:50.240 --> 01:18:52.060 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman asr-001054 01:18:52.060 --> 01:18:55.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator Villanueva asr-001055 01:18:55.120 --> 01:18:56.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: siguro updating lang asr-001056 01:18:56.580 --> 01:18:57.460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa guidelines dun asr-001057 01:18:57.460 --> 01:18:59.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa mga confidentialities asr-001058 01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:00.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and intelligence fund asr-001059 01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:02.080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: total, ano kasi ito eh asr-001060 01:19:02.080 --> 01:19:03.900 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: very hot issue asr-001061 01:19:03.900 --> 01:19:04.920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: very hot topic asr-001062 01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:05.880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: just to clarify asr-001063 01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:06.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para lang ba asr-001064 01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:07.920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yung mga asr-001065 01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:09.740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: at least yung mga issues asr-001066 01:19:09.740 --> 01:19:10.420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and confusion asr-001067 01:19:10.420 --> 01:19:11.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: can be addressed asr-001068 01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:13.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I can ask such a person asr-001069 01:19:13.540 --> 01:19:14.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Coro, ma'am asr-001070 01:19:14.580 --> 01:19:15.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Assistant Commissioner asr-001071 01:19:15.580 --> 01:19:16.440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Nilda Plaras asr-001072 01:19:16.440 --> 01:19:17.840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kasi medyo familiar asr-001073 01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:19.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yung pangalan nyo ngayon lately asr-001074 01:19:19.060 --> 01:19:20.620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: tanong ko lang asr-001075 01:19:20.620 --> 01:19:21.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ha? asr-001076 01:19:21.460 --> 01:19:21.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ilan ba? asr-001077 01:19:22.420 --> 01:19:22.760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: oo nga asr-001078 01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:23.760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ilang notices asr-001079 01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of disallowance asr-001080 01:19:25.440 --> 01:19:26.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: na-issue ninyo na? asr-001081 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:27.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ah, isa lang po asr-001082 01:19:27.120 --> 01:19:27.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: okay po asr-001083 01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:28.080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sige po asr-001084 01:19:28.080 --> 01:19:28.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: okay po asr-001085 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:29.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: okay po asr-001086 01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:30.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: we understand that asr-001087 01:19:30.200 --> 01:19:31.180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the guidelines of asr-001088 01:19:31.180 --> 01:19:32.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: governing the entitlement asr-001089 01:19:32.860 --> 01:19:34.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: release, use, reporting asr-001090 01:19:34.280 --> 01:19:35.080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and audit asr-001091 01:19:35.080 --> 01:19:36.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of confidential intelligence funds asr-001092 01:19:36.580 --> 01:19:37.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: are contained asr-001093 01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:38.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in the joint circular asr-001094 01:19:38.860 --> 01:19:41.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: issued on January 8, 2015 asr-001095 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:42.720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: as I mentioned asr-001096 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:43.440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: consider the issues asr-001097 01:19:43.440 --> 01:19:43.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and conditions asr-001098 01:19:43.860 --> 01:19:45.500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that have arisen asr-001099 01:19:45.500 --> 01:19:47.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: particularly on compliance asr-001100 01:19:47.040 --> 01:19:48.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: with the guidelines asr-001101 01:19:48.040 --> 01:19:48.980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and the use of asr-001102 01:19:48.980 --> 01:19:50.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: special disbursing asr-001103 01:19:50.060 --> 01:19:51.020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: officers asr-001104 01:19:51.020 --> 01:19:51.940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or SDOs asr-001105 01:19:51.940 --> 01:19:52.620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in handling asr-001106 01:19:52.620 --> 01:19:53.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and liquidating asr-001107 01:19:53.400 --> 01:19:54.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: these funds asr-001108 01:19:54.040 --> 01:19:55.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: do you think asr-001109 01:19:55.060 --> 01:19:56.080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: it is time to review asr-001110 01:19:56.080 --> 01:19:56.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and update asr-001111 01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:57.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the joint circular? asr-001112 01:19:57.900 --> 01:19:58.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: if yes asr-001113 01:19:58.560 --> 01:19:59.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: what specific provisions asr-001114 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:00.680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: should be clarified asr-001115 01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:01.440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or strengthened asr-001116 01:20:01.440 --> 01:20:02.820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: particularly asr-001117 01:20:02.820 --> 01:20:03.980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: on the designation asr-001118 01:20:03.980 --> 01:20:05.160 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: responsibilities asr-001119 01:20:05.160 --> 01:20:06.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and accountability asr-001120 01:20:06.220 --> 01:20:07.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of SDOs asr-001121 01:20:07.060 --> 01:20:08.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: as well as the documentation asr-001122 01:20:08.240 --> 01:20:09.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: liquidation asr-001123 01:20:09.580 --> 01:20:10.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and audit asr-001124 01:20:10.220 --> 01:20:11.020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of confidential asr-001125 01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:12.320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and intelligence funds asr-001126 01:20:12.320 --> 01:20:13.940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ah, thank you asr-001127 01:20:13.940 --> 01:20:14.600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mr. Chair asr-001128 01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:16.060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ah, ang sasagot po asr-001129 01:20:16.060 --> 01:20:16.800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: on our side asr-001130 01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:17.180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay si asr-001131 01:20:17.180 --> 01:20:18.340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Commissioner Douglas asr-001132 01:20:18.340 --> 01:20:18.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mallillin po asr-001133 01:20:18.900 --> 01:20:19.460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: salamat asr-001134 01:20:19.460 --> 01:20:20.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yes, Commissioner Malilin asr-001135 01:20:20.540 --> 01:20:21.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ah, please asr-001136 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:22.960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: you now have the floor asr-001137 01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:24.720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, good afternoon asr-001138 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:25.620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, Mr. Chair asr-001139 01:20:25.620 --> 01:20:27.500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, Senator Villanueva asr-001140 01:20:27.500 --> 01:20:29.080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, we have asr-001141 01:20:29.080 --> 01:20:31.000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, after asr-001142 01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:32.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, all the concerns asr-001143 01:20:32.420 --> 01:20:33.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and issues that were raised asr-001144 01:20:33.540 --> 01:20:35.100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: regarding the confidential fund asr-001145 01:20:35.100 --> 01:20:37.280 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, we were taking a look asr-001146 01:20:37.280 --> 01:20:38.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at the joint memorandum circular asr-001147 01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:40.360 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which was issued in 2015 asr-001148 01:20:40.360 --> 01:20:42.080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: practically 11 years ago asr-001149 01:20:42.080 --> 01:20:43.160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and asr-001150 01:20:43.160 --> 01:20:44.500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the asr-001151 01:20:44.500 --> 01:20:46.340 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: last asr-001152 01:20:46.340 --> 01:20:47.780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: circular that was issued asr-001153 01:20:47.780 --> 01:20:48.300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: by COA asr-001154 01:20:48.300 --> 01:20:49.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: was also in 1992 asr-001155 01:20:49.540 --> 01:20:50.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and asr-001156 01:20:50.700 --> 01:20:51.920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, we find that asr-001157 01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:53.320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: there are certain revisions asr-001158 01:20:53.320 --> 01:20:54.360 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that need to be asr-001159 01:20:54.360 --> 01:20:55.000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, asr-001160 01:20:56.100 --> 01:20:56.600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: modified asr-001161 01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:57.440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: or revised asr-001162 01:20:57.440 --> 01:20:58.100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: as far as the asr-001163 01:20:58.100 --> 01:20:58.920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: joint memorandum circular asr-001164 01:20:59.080 --> 01:21:00.560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: if I may asr-001165 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:02.460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the joint circular is asr-001166 01:21:02.460 --> 01:21:03.820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, was issued asr-001167 01:21:03.820 --> 01:21:05.140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: not solely by COA asr-001168 01:21:05.140 --> 01:21:06.120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: this was with asr-001169 01:21:06.120 --> 01:21:07.320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the DBM asr-001170 01:21:07.320 --> 01:21:09.340 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the Department of National Defense asr-001171 01:21:09.340 --> 01:21:10.200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the DILG asr-001172 01:21:10.200 --> 01:21:11.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the asr-001173 01:21:11.420 --> 01:21:13.800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the GCG as well asr-001174 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:14.720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: so asr-001175 01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:16.580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: this covers asr-001176 01:21:16.580 --> 01:21:17.680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the intelligence funds asr-001177 01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:18.780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the confidential funds asr-001178 01:21:18.780 --> 01:21:20.160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and we have identified asr-001179 01:21:20.160 --> 01:21:21.880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: certain areas asr-001180 01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:23.060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that need asr-001181 01:21:23.060 --> 01:21:24.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, further looking into asr-001182 01:21:24.700 --> 01:21:25.740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we will be sitting down asr-001183 01:21:25.740 --> 01:21:26.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: with these agencies asr-001184 01:21:26.700 --> 01:21:28.920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, with regard to asr-001185 01:21:29.080 --> 01:21:30.660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: what supporting documents asr-001186 01:21:30.660 --> 01:21:32.040 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: or what has been termed asr-001187 01:21:32.040 --> 01:21:32.960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: as the documents asr-001188 01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:34.040 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: evidencing payment asr-001189 01:21:34.040 --> 01:21:36.000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: as far as their contents asr-001190 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:36.920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: specific asr-001191 01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:38.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the specific data asr-001192 01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:39.960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that should be contained therein asr-001193 01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:42.240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: how we should be able asr-001194 01:21:42.240 --> 01:21:43.280 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to identify asr-001195 01:21:43.280 --> 01:21:44.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: assuming asr-001196 01:21:44.540 --> 01:21:46.080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: aliases or code names asr-001197 01:21:46.080 --> 01:21:46.600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: are asr-001198 01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:47.740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: allowed asr-001199 01:21:47.740 --> 01:21:49.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, there may be asr-001200 01:21:49.400 --> 01:21:50.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a certain item asr-001201 01:21:50.540 --> 01:21:51.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: or a certain requirement asr-001202 01:21:51.700 --> 01:21:52.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: where we have asr-001203 01:21:52.760 --> 01:21:53.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a single person asr-001204 01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:55.020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: who has knowledge asr-001205 01:21:55.020 --> 01:21:56.300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the actual identities asr-001206 01:21:56.300 --> 01:21:57.200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of these persons asr-001207 01:21:57.200 --> 01:21:57.900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: as done asr-001208 01:21:57.900 --> 01:21:58.560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: in foreign jurisdictions asr-001209 01:21:59.080 --> 01:22:00.360 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: then asr-001210 01:22:00.360 --> 01:22:02.020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the lack of asr-001211 01:22:02.020 --> 01:22:03.680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: evidence of success asr-001212 01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:04.860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the causal links asr-001213 01:22:04.860 --> 01:22:07.140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which is a very critical feature asr-001214 01:22:07.140 --> 01:22:07.660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: on asr-001215 01:22:07.660 --> 01:22:09.140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the matter of rewards asr-001216 01:22:09.140 --> 01:22:10.320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: rewards being asr-001217 01:22:10.320 --> 01:22:10.820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a asr-001218 01:22:10.820 --> 01:22:12.500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: part of the enumeration asr-001219 01:22:12.500 --> 01:22:13.000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of what asr-001220 01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:14.140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: confidential funds asr-001221 01:22:14.140 --> 01:22:15.340 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and intelligent funds asr-001222 01:22:15.340 --> 01:22:16.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, can be spent for asr-001223 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: then the more critical is asr-001224 01:22:19.420 --> 01:22:20.820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which is a point of concern asr-001225 01:22:20.820 --> 01:22:22.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: is how to protect asr-001226 01:22:22.540 --> 01:22:23.240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the identity asr-001227 01:22:23.240 --> 01:22:23.880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of asr-001228 01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:25.180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the informants asr-001229 01:22:25.180 --> 01:22:26.160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and asr-001230 01:22:26.160 --> 01:22:27.340 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, as well as asr-001231 01:22:27.340 --> 01:22:28.960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: from whom asr-001232 01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:29.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we purchase asr-001233 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:30.500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: information from asr-001234 01:22:30.500 --> 01:22:31.380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: however asr-001235 01:22:31.380 --> 01:22:33.300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: there should be a balance asr-001236 01:22:33.300 --> 01:22:34.380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: between protecting asr-001237 01:22:34.380 --> 01:22:35.120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the identity asr-001238 01:22:35.120 --> 01:22:36.180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but also asr-001239 01:22:36.180 --> 01:22:36.900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a point of asr-001240 01:22:36.900 --> 01:22:38.160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: where COA asr-001241 01:22:38.160 --> 01:22:39.960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: based on certain clearances asr-001242 01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:40.780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: can actually asr-001243 01:22:40.780 --> 01:22:41.440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, asr-001244 01:22:42.340 --> 01:22:42.920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: take a look asr-001245 01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:43.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at the identity asr-001246 01:22:43.700 --> 01:22:44.260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the person asr-001247 01:22:44.260 --> 01:22:45.260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: without compromising asr-001248 01:22:45.260 --> 01:22:46.260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: national security asr-001249 01:22:46.260 --> 01:22:47.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the confidentiality asr-001250 01:22:47.700 --> 01:22:48.720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the activity asr-001251 01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:50.520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: there is also asr-001252 01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:50.980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a need asr-001253 01:22:50.980 --> 01:22:51.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to take a look asr-001254 01:22:51.700 --> 01:22:52.120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at asr-001255 01:22:52.120 --> 01:22:52.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, asr-001256 01:22:52.760 --> 01:22:54.300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: storage asr-001257 01:22:54.300 --> 01:22:55.300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the documents asr-001258 01:22:55.300 --> 01:22:56.440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, COA asr-001259 01:22:56.440 --> 01:22:57.500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the other agencies asr-001260 01:22:57.500 --> 01:22:58.160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: are also asr-001261 01:22:58.160 --> 01:22:58.820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: taking a look asr-001262 01:22:58.820 --> 01:22:59.320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at asr-001263 01:22:59.320 --> 01:23:00.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the process asr-001264 01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:01.080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of asr-001265 01:23:01.080 --> 01:23:02.200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: issuing the asr-001266 01:23:02.200 --> 01:23:02.980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: credit notices asr-001267 01:23:02.980 --> 01:23:04.160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and asr-001268 01:23:04.160 --> 01:23:05.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: how the notice asr-001269 01:23:05.420 --> 01:23:06.180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of disallowance asr-001270 01:23:06.180 --> 01:23:06.900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: should actually asr-001271 01:23:06.900 --> 01:23:07.680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: be dealt with asr-001272 01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:10.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and we have asr-001273 01:23:10.420 --> 01:23:11.100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a few more asr-001274 01:23:11.100 --> 01:23:12.120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but we deem asr-001275 01:23:12.120 --> 01:23:12.940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: this to be minor asr-001276 01:23:12.940 --> 01:23:13.600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but overall asr-001277 01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:14.220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, asr-001278 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:15.160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we discussed asr-001279 01:23:15.160 --> 01:23:15.940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the major points asr-001280 01:23:15.940 --> 01:23:16.680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that we're looking asr-001281 01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:17.040 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at asr-001282 01:23:17.040 --> 01:23:18.180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: reforming asr-001283 01:23:18.180 --> 01:23:19.060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the joint circular asr-001284 01:23:19.060 --> 01:23:19.880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: thank you po asr-001285 01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:21.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, asr-001286 01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:23.520 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know asr-001287 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:24.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: how to start asr-001288 01:23:24.260 --> 01:23:25.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: Commissioner asr-001289 01:23:25.240 --> 01:23:26.660 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mallillin asr-001290 01:23:26.660 --> 01:23:26.980 Senator Joel Villanueva: and asr-001291 01:23:26.980 --> 01:23:27.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, asr-001292 01:23:28.820 --> 01:23:29.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: you yourself asr-001293 01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:30.580 Senator Joel Villanueva: made mention asr-001294 01:23:30.580 --> 01:23:31.340 Senator Joel Villanueva: that this has been asr-001295 01:23:31.340 --> 01:23:32.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: around for 11 years now asr-001296 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:33.520 Senator Joel Villanueva: and ah, asr-001297 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:35.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm sure you're monitoring asr-001298 01:23:35.260 --> 01:23:35.920 Senator Joel Villanueva: what's happening asr-001299 01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:36.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: in the ah, asr-001300 01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:37.580 Senator Joel Villanueva: during the impeachment asr-001301 01:23:37.580 --> 01:23:38.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, asr-001302 01:23:38.200 --> 01:23:38.740 Senator Joel Villanueva: proceedings asr-001303 01:23:38.740 --> 01:23:39.160 Senator Joel Villanueva: no? asr-001304 01:23:39.700 --> 01:23:40.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: and ah, asr-001305 01:23:40.900 --> 01:23:41.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: me as a lawyer asr-001306 01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:43.760 Senator Joel Villanueva: as a non-lawyer asr-001307 01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:45.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: would always asr-001308 01:23:45.200 --> 01:23:46.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: ask questions asr-001309 01:23:46.180 --> 01:23:47.480 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa mga abogado asr-001310 01:23:47.480 --> 01:23:48.360 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano ba yung ganito asr-001311 01:23:48.360 --> 01:23:49.220 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano ba yung ganyan asr-001312 01:23:49.220 --> 01:23:50.320 Senator Joel Villanueva: and ah, asr-001313 01:23:50.320 --> 01:23:51.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: it's good that asr-001314 01:23:51.080 --> 01:23:51.580 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, asr-001315 01:23:51.700 --> 01:23:52.980 Senator Joel Villanueva: you are here asr-001316 01:23:52.980 --> 01:23:54.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: because we wanted asr-001317 01:23:54.100 --> 01:23:55.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: to get more information asr-001318 01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:56.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: so we can asr-001319 01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:57.120 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, asr-001320 01:23:57.480 --> 01:23:58.480 Senator Joel Villanueva: be adept asr-001321 01:23:58.480 --> 01:23:58.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: in asr-001322 01:23:58.820 --> 01:24:17.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: scrutinizing what has been going on. For example, the difference of disbursement or disbursing and transferring. You made mention also of the use of aliases. I'm not sure asr-001323 01:24:17.620 --> 01:24:18.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: if anyone asr-001324 01:24:18.100 --> 01:24:18.360 Senator Joel Villanueva: of asr-001325 01:24:18.360 --> 01:24:18.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: anyone asr-001326 01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:19.560 Senator Joel Villanueva: perhaps asr-001327 01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:20.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: assistant asr-001328 01:24:20.260 --> 01:24:21.280 Senator Joel Villanueva: Commissioner asr-001329 01:24:21.280 --> 01:24:21.760 Senator Joel Villanueva: Plaras asr-001330 01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:22.640 Senator Joel Villanueva: knows about this asr-001331 01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:23.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: with regard asr-001332 01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:24.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the AOMs asr-001333 01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:25.640 Senator Joel Villanueva: that were asr-001334 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:26.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: issued asr-001335 01:24:26.420 --> 01:24:27.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: notice of asr-001336 01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:28.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: suspension asr-001337 01:24:28.500 --> 01:24:28.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: and asr-001338 01:24:28.820 --> 01:24:29.460 Senator Joel Villanueva: notice of asr-001339 01:24:29.460 --> 01:24:30.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: disallowance asr-001340 01:24:30.180 --> 01:24:30.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: of course asr-001341 01:24:30.440 --> 01:24:30.880 Senator Joel Villanueva: we don't asr-001342 01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:31.160 Senator Joel Villanueva: we don't asr-001343 01:24:31.160 --> 01:24:31.540 Senator Joel Villanueva: want to talk asr-001344 01:24:31.540 --> 01:24:32.140 Senator Joel Villanueva: about the asr-001345 01:24:32.140 --> 01:24:33.360 Senator Joel Villanueva: the case asr-001346 01:24:33.360 --> 01:24:33.860 Senator Joel Villanueva: per se asr-001347 01:24:33.860 --> 01:24:34.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: but asr-001348 01:24:34.180 --> 01:24:35.360 Senator Joel Villanueva: but asr-001349 01:24:35.360 --> 01:24:35.760 Senator Joel Villanueva: in asr-001350 01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:36.060 Senator Joel Villanueva: in asr-001351 01:24:36.060 --> 01:24:36.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: in asr-001352 01:24:36.440 --> 01:24:36.760 Senator Joel Villanueva: in asr-001353 01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:36.980 Senator Joel Villanueva: in asr-001354 01:24:36.980 --> 01:24:37.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: this asr-001355 01:24:37.180 --> 01:24:37.820 Senator Joel Villanueva: particular asr-001356 01:24:37.820 --> 01:24:38.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, asr-001357 01:24:39.120 --> 01:24:39.920 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, asr-001358 01:24:40.220 --> 01:24:40.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, asr-001359 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:41.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: proceedings asr-001360 01:24:41.440 --> 01:24:42.880 Senator Joel Villanueva: no one asr-001361 01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:43.520 Senator Joel Villanueva: actually brought asr-001362 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:44.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: the aliases asr-001363 01:24:44.240 --> 01:24:44.480 Senator Joel Villanueva: eh asr-001364 01:24:44.480 --> 01:24:45.120 Senator Joel Villanueva: dun sa mga asr-001365 01:24:45.120 --> 01:24:46.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: decisions asr-001366 01:24:46.020 --> 01:24:46.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: I mean asr-001367 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:47.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: the COA asr-001368 01:24:47.260 --> 01:24:48.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, asr-001369 01:24:49.220 --> 01:24:50.400 Senator Joel Villanueva: COA AOMs asr-001370 01:24:50.400 --> 01:24:50.820 Senator Joel Villanueva: NS asr-001371 01:24:50.820 --> 01:24:51.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: and asr-001372 01:24:51.180 --> 01:24:51.880 Senator Joel Villanueva: NDs asr-001373 01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:52.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: no? asr-001374 01:24:52.480 --> 01:24:52.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: but asr-001375 01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:53.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: it's really asr-001376 01:24:53.620 --> 01:24:53.980 Senator Joel Villanueva: the asr-001377 01:24:53.980 --> 01:24:54.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: the asr-001378 01:24:54.500 --> 01:24:55.780 Senator Joel Villanueva: the protocol asr-001379 01:24:55.780 --> 01:24:56.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: para lang alam namin asr-001380 01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:58.400 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa paggamit asr-001381 01:24:58.400 --> 01:24:58.660 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng asr-001382 01:24:58.660 --> 01:24:59.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: alias asr-001383 01:24:59.440 --> 01:25:02.210 Senator Joel Villanueva: and asr-001384 01:25:02.210 --> 01:25:03.450 Senator Joel Villanueva: your self-commissioner asr-001385 01:25:03.450 --> 01:25:04.430 Senator Joel Villanueva: may mention na asr-001386 01:25:04.430 --> 01:25:06.210 Senator Joel Villanueva: pwede mong gamitin asr-001387 01:25:06.210 --> 01:25:07.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: pero asr-001388 01:25:07.090 --> 01:25:08.690 Senator Joel Villanueva: at the same time asr-001389 01:25:08.690 --> 01:25:10.250 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah asr-001390 01:25:10.250 --> 01:25:11.290 Senator Joel Villanueva: you protect asr-001391 01:25:11.290 --> 01:25:12.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: the information asr-001392 01:25:12.070 --> 01:25:12.830 Senator Joel Villanueva: you protect asr-001393 01:25:12.830 --> 01:25:13.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: the informants asr-001394 01:25:13.870 --> 01:25:14.410 Senator Joel Villanueva: but asr-001395 01:25:14.410 --> 01:25:15.750 Senator Joel Villanueva: but asr-001396 01:25:15.750 --> 01:25:17.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: hindi po pwede asr-001397 01:25:17.070 --> 01:25:17.610 Senator Joel Villanueva: na asr-001398 01:25:17.610 --> 01:25:20.590 Senator Joel Villanueva: na para-para lang asr-001399 01:25:20.590 --> 01:25:21.830 Senator Joel Villanueva: na sasabihin mo lang asr-001400 01:25:21.830 --> 01:25:22.610 Senator Joel Villanueva: at wala kang asr-001401 01:25:22.610 --> 01:25:23.330 Senator Joel Villanueva: kahit anong asr-001402 01:25:23.330 --> 01:25:24.050 Senator Joel Villanueva: pruweba asr-001403 01:25:24.050 --> 01:25:25.150 Senator Joel Villanueva: and in this asr-001404 01:25:25.150 --> 01:25:26.710 Senator Joel Villanueva: and at this point asr-001405 01:25:26.710 --> 01:25:27.410 Senator Joel Villanueva: I wanted to ask asr-001406 01:25:27.410 --> 01:25:28.490 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano yung pruweba asr-001407 01:25:28.490 --> 01:25:28.950 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano yung asr-001408 01:25:28.950 --> 01:25:29.770 Senator Joel Villanueva: yahanapin asr-001409 01:25:29.770 --> 01:25:30.770 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng COA asr-001410 01:25:30.770 --> 01:25:32.470 Senator Joel Villanueva: would AR asr-001411 01:25:32.470 --> 01:25:33.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: suffice asr-001412 01:25:33.070 --> 01:25:34.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: when would be AR asr-001413 01:25:34.070 --> 01:25:34.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: suffice asr-001414 01:25:34.870 --> 01:25:35.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: diba? asr-001415 01:25:35.390 --> 01:25:36.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: and again asr-001416 01:25:36.130 --> 01:25:37.250 Senator Joel Villanueva: for the sake asr-001417 01:25:37.250 --> 01:25:37.910 Senator Joel Villanueva: of asr-001418 01:25:37.910 --> 01:25:39.670 Senator Joel Villanueva: the public asr-001419 01:25:39.670 --> 01:25:40.750 Senator Joel Villanueva: we are not talking about asr-001420 01:25:40.750 --> 01:25:41.850 Senator Joel Villanueva: a particular case here asr-001421 01:25:41.850 --> 01:25:42.530 Senator Joel Villanueva: we are talking about asr-001422 01:25:42.530 --> 01:25:43.270 Senator Joel Villanueva: the general asr-001423 01:25:43.270 --> 01:25:45.030 Senator Joel Villanueva: auditing asr-001424 01:25:45.030 --> 01:25:46.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: policies asr-001425 01:25:46.130 --> 01:25:47.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: in all asr-001426 01:25:47.870 --> 01:25:48.950 Senator Joel Villanueva: the asr-001427 01:25:48.950 --> 01:25:49.730 Senator Joel Villanueva: intelligence asr-001428 01:25:49.730 --> 01:25:50.370 Senator Joel Villanueva: funds asr-001429 01:25:50.370 --> 01:25:52.370 Senator Joel Villanueva: na asr-001430 01:25:52.370 --> 01:25:53.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: nagsimula asr-001431 01:25:53.130 --> 01:25:53.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: noong 2015 asr-001432 01:25:53.870 --> 01:25:54.610 Senator Joel Villanueva: Commissioner asr-001433 01:25:54.610 --> 01:25:55.370 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yes asr-001434 01:25:55.370 --> 01:25:55.770 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: please asr-001435 01:25:55.770 --> 01:25:56.310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Commissioner asr-001436 01:25:56.310 --> 01:25:57.890 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: maganda ho yan asr-001437 01:25:57.890 --> 01:25:59.330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so it can be clarified asr-001438 01:25:59.330 --> 01:25:59.650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kasi hindi na po asr-001439 01:25:59.650 --> 01:26:00.510 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: hindi naman pwede sabihin asr-001440 01:26:00.510 --> 01:26:00.870 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: na asr-001441 01:26:00.870 --> 01:26:02.030 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa WNW asr-001442 01:26:02.030 --> 01:26:03.190 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: na pag sinabing asr-001443 01:26:03.190 --> 01:26:04.170 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: confidential asr-001444 01:26:04.170 --> 01:26:05.310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or intelligence fund asr-001445 01:26:05.310 --> 01:26:06.470 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: hindi na accountable asr-001446 01:26:06.470 --> 01:26:07.510 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so can you asr-001447 01:26:07.510 --> 01:26:08.210 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: make it asr-001448 01:26:08.210 --> 01:26:09.610 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: can you clarify asr-001449 01:26:09.610 --> 01:26:10.410 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para at least asr-001450 01:26:10.410 --> 01:26:10.770 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ngayon po asr-001451 01:26:10.770 --> 01:26:11.770 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: mas pang malinaw na asr-001452 01:26:11.770 --> 01:26:12.990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: especially now asr-001453 01:26:12.990 --> 01:26:13.990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that our policy asr-001454 01:26:13.990 --> 01:26:14.730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: now in this asr-001455 01:26:14.730 --> 01:26:15.650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: budget asr-001456 01:26:15.650 --> 01:26:17.750 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: hearings asr-001457 01:26:17.750 --> 01:26:18.630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: now that we will asr-001458 01:26:18.630 --> 01:26:19.090 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: only asr-001459 01:26:19.090 --> 01:26:20.950 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: give asr-001460 01:26:20.950 --> 01:26:21.630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: confidential asr-001461 01:26:21.630 --> 01:26:22.630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and intelligence fund asr-001462 01:26:22.630 --> 01:26:23.110 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to those asr-001463 01:26:23.110 --> 01:26:23.990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that are involved asr-001464 01:26:23.990 --> 01:26:25.550 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in law enforcement asr-001465 01:26:25.550 --> 01:26:26.730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: national security asr-001466 01:26:26.730 --> 01:26:27.890 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and investigations asr-001467 01:26:27.890 --> 01:26:28.930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: no asr-001468 01:26:28.930 --> 01:26:29.350 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and asr-001469 01:26:29.650 --> 01:26:30.430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the civilian agencies asr-001470 01:26:30.430 --> 01:26:31.970 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: will not be given asr-001471 01:26:31.970 --> 01:26:32.350 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: anymore asr-001472 01:26:32.350 --> 01:26:32.950 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so siguro asr-001473 01:26:32.950 --> 01:26:34.650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: just for clarity asr-001474 01:26:34.650 --> 01:26:35.630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para maklarify lang asr-001475 01:26:35.630 --> 01:26:36.470 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: maganda yung ano ni asr-001476 01:26:36.470 --> 01:26:37.010 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Senator Villanueva asr-001477 01:26:37.010 --> 01:26:37.330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: please asr-001478 01:26:37.330 --> 01:26:39.230 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: maraming salamat po asr-001479 01:26:39.230 --> 01:26:40.910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung tanong nyo po asr-001480 01:26:40.910 --> 01:26:42.730 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang sinabi po namin asr-001481 01:26:42.730 --> 01:26:43.370 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kanina is asr-001482 01:26:43.370 --> 01:26:44.530 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: something moving forward asr-001483 01:26:44.530 --> 01:26:46.410 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: if we were to revise asr-001484 01:26:46.410 --> 01:26:47.570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the joint memorandum asr-001485 01:26:47.570 --> 01:26:48.030 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: circular asr-001486 01:26:48.030 --> 01:26:48.810 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na asr-001487 01:26:48.810 --> 01:26:50.710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: tandaan ho natin asr-001488 01:26:50.710 --> 01:26:51.510 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na the joint asr-001489 01:26:51.510 --> 01:26:52.450 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: memorandum circular asr-001490 01:26:52.450 --> 01:26:53.170 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: was asr-001491 01:26:53.170 --> 01:26:54.030 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a draft asr-001492 01:26:54.030 --> 01:26:54.910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: was drafted asr-001493 01:26:54.910 --> 01:26:56.570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: by multiple agencies asr-001494 01:26:56.570 --> 01:26:56.930 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po asr-001495 01:26:56.930 --> 01:26:58.290 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: gustuhin man ho asr-001496 01:26:58.290 --> 01:26:58.790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ng COA asr-001497 01:26:58.790 --> 01:26:59.490 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at the time asr-001498 01:26:59.490 --> 01:26:59.630 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na asr-001499 01:26:59.650 --> 01:27:01.470 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pwede wala po kami asr-001500 01:27:01.470 --> 01:27:02.070 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ni chairman asr-001501 01:27:02.070 --> 01:27:03.250 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nung panahon na yun asr-001502 01:27:03.250 --> 01:27:05.170 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na ilagay ho lahat asr-001503 01:27:05.170 --> 01:27:05.550 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ng asr-001504 01:27:05.550 --> 01:27:06.630 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: prueba asr-001505 01:27:06.630 --> 01:27:08.290 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: o substantial asr-001506 01:27:08.290 --> 01:27:09.190 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: documentation asr-001507 01:27:09.190 --> 01:27:10.910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we also asr-001508 01:27:10.910 --> 01:27:12.330 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: respected the views asr-001509 01:27:12.330 --> 01:27:13.410 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the other agencies asr-001510 01:27:13.410 --> 01:27:14.470 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: who dealt with asr-001511 01:27:14.470 --> 01:27:15.070 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: this type of asr-001512 01:27:15.070 --> 01:27:15.750 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the activity asr-001513 01:27:15.750 --> 01:27:16.950 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which is intelligence asr-001514 01:27:16.950 --> 01:27:17.890 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and confidential asr-001515 01:27:17.890 --> 01:27:19.170 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activities asr-001516 01:27:19.170 --> 01:27:21.090 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but moving forward po asr-001517 01:27:21.090 --> 01:27:22.410 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: moving forward po asr-001518 01:27:22.410 --> 01:27:24.790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we find it asr-001519 01:27:24.790 --> 01:27:25.910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: very important asr-001520 01:27:25.910 --> 01:27:27.310 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: because the asr-001521 01:27:27.310 --> 01:27:27.790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: accountability asr-001522 01:27:27.790 --> 01:27:28.990 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: substantiation asr-001523 01:27:28.990 --> 01:27:29.490 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: identification asr-001524 01:27:29.490 --> 01:27:30.850 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: is now a critical asr-001525 01:27:30.850 --> 01:27:31.870 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: part of the activity asr-001526 01:27:31.870 --> 01:27:33.850 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: so moving forward po asr-001527 01:27:33.850 --> 01:27:35.090 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but ang problema asr-001528 01:27:35.090 --> 01:27:36.830 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho natin sa ngayon po asr-001529 01:27:36.830 --> 01:27:39.090 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: without dealing asr-001530 01:27:39.090 --> 01:27:40.150 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: with the specifics po asr-001531 01:27:40.150 --> 01:27:41.690 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the present joint asr-001532 01:27:41.690 --> 01:27:42.970 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: memorandum circular po asr-001533 01:27:42.970 --> 01:27:43.930 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: does not asr-001534 01:27:43.930 --> 01:27:45.710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: exactly prohibit asr-001535 01:27:45.710 --> 01:27:47.430 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nor does it asr-001536 01:27:47.430 --> 01:27:48.310 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: really asr-001537 01:27:48.310 --> 01:27:49.710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: straightforwardly asr-001538 01:27:49.710 --> 01:27:50.150 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: allow asr-001539 01:27:50.150 --> 01:27:50.910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the use of asr-001540 01:27:50.910 --> 01:27:51.350 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: aliases asr-001541 01:27:51.350 --> 01:27:53.110 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang critical nga po asr-001542 01:27:53.110 --> 01:27:53.870 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dito is asr-001543 01:27:53.870 --> 01:27:54.810 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: on the part of asr-001544 01:27:54.810 --> 01:27:55.570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the operational asr-001545 01:27:55.570 --> 01:27:56.170 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: agencies asr-001546 01:27:56.170 --> 01:27:57.210 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: is asr-001547 01:27:57.210 --> 01:27:58.430 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the matter of asr-001548 01:27:58.430 --> 01:27:59.470 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the asr-001549 01:27:59.490 --> 01:28:00.370 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: program itself asr-001550 01:28:00.370 --> 01:28:01.390 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: behind asr-001551 01:28:01.390 --> 01:28:02.490 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the confidential asr-001552 01:28:02.490 --> 01:28:03.330 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: expenses asr-001553 01:28:03.330 --> 01:28:03.790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: or the asr-001554 01:28:03.790 --> 01:28:05.010 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: intelligence expenses asr-001555 01:28:05.010 --> 01:28:06.590 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yun po asr-001556 01:28:06.590 --> 01:28:07.710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang nakikita namin asr-001557 01:28:07.710 --> 01:28:08.770 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: importante asr-001558 01:28:08.770 --> 01:28:10.050 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: based on the asr-001559 01:28:10.050 --> 01:28:10.570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: present asr-001560 01:28:10.570 --> 01:28:12.830 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: drafting asr-001561 01:28:12.830 --> 01:28:13.710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the circular asr-001562 01:28:13.710 --> 01:28:14.890 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but moving forward po asr-001563 01:28:14.890 --> 01:28:16.030 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: napapansin po namin asr-001564 01:28:16.030 --> 01:28:17.250 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that further asr-001565 01:28:17.250 --> 01:28:17.790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: controls asr-001566 01:28:17.790 --> 01:28:18.410 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: has to be asr-001567 01:28:18.410 --> 01:28:19.190 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: placed on this asr-001568 01:28:19.190 --> 01:28:20.230 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: because asr-001569 01:28:20.230 --> 01:28:21.990 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: if COA comes in asr-001570 01:28:21.990 --> 01:28:22.710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and looks for asr-001571 01:28:22.710 --> 01:28:23.710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: certain identities asr-001572 01:28:23.710 --> 01:28:24.390 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: tulad ho ng asr-001573 01:28:24.390 --> 01:28:25.110 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sinasabing asr-001574 01:28:25.110 --> 01:28:25.590 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: vault asr-001575 01:28:25.590 --> 01:28:27.610 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: baka ho yung asr-001576 01:28:27.610 --> 01:28:28.570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: auditor ho namin asr-001577 01:28:28.570 --> 01:28:29.370 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang mapasok ko sa asr-001578 01:28:29.370 --> 01:28:29.470 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: vault asr-001579 01:28:29.490 --> 01:28:32.430 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pero biro lang po asr-001580 01:28:32.430 --> 01:28:32.970 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: I know asr-001581 01:28:32.970 --> 01:28:34.230 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: are certain asr-001582 01:28:34.230 --> 01:28:35.330 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sensitivities po asr-001583 01:28:35.330 --> 01:28:36.870 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: regarding identity asr-001584 01:28:36.870 --> 01:28:38.570 Senator Joel Villanueva: I will not put you asr-001585 01:28:38.570 --> 01:28:39.370 Senator Joel Villanueva: on the spot asr-001586 01:28:39.370 --> 01:28:40.330 Senator Joel Villanueva: Commissioner asr-001587 01:28:40.330 --> 01:28:41.270 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mallillin asr-001588 01:28:41.270 --> 01:28:41.530 Senator Joel Villanueva: but asr-001589 01:28:41.530 --> 01:28:43.770 Senator Joel Villanueva: when I was asr-001590 01:28:43.770 --> 01:28:44.830 Senator Joel Villanueva: listening to the asr-001591 01:28:44.830 --> 01:28:45.890 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the asr-001592 01:28:45.890 --> 01:28:48.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the asr-001593 01:28:48.070 --> 01:28:49.170 Senator Joel Villanueva: explanation asr-001594 01:28:49.170 --> 01:28:50.550 Senator Joel Villanueva: and asr-001595 01:28:50.550 --> 01:28:50.990 Senator Joel Villanueva: the asr-001596 01:28:50.990 --> 01:28:51.730 Senator Joel Villanueva: provisions asr-001597 01:28:51.730 --> 01:28:52.770 Senator Joel Villanueva: behind the asr-001598 01:28:52.770 --> 01:28:54.290 Senator Joel Villanueva: joint memorandum asr-001599 01:28:54.290 --> 01:28:56.750 Senator Joel Villanueva: without asr-001600 01:28:56.750 --> 01:28:57.590 Senator Joel Villanueva: without going asr-001601 01:28:57.590 --> 01:28:57.950 Senator Joel Villanueva: through asr-001602 01:28:57.950 --> 01:28:58.470 Senator Joel Villanueva: or asr-001603 01:28:58.470 --> 01:28:58.510 Senator Joel Villanueva: or asr-001604 01:28:58.510 --> 01:28:58.930 Senator Joel Villanueva: or asr-001605 01:28:58.930 --> 01:28:59.470 Senator Joel Villanueva: or asr-001606 01:28:59.490 --> 01:29:00.150 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know asr-001607 01:29:00.150 --> 01:29:00.670 Senator Joel Villanueva: talking about asr-001608 01:29:00.670 --> 01:29:02.970 Senator Joel Villanueva: any particular case asr-001609 01:29:02.970 --> 01:29:04.170 Senator Joel Villanueva: I find it asr-001610 01:29:04.170 --> 01:29:04.890 Senator Joel Villanueva: I find it asr-001611 01:29:04.890 --> 01:29:05.290 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano eh asr-001612 01:29:05.290 --> 01:29:07.750 Senator Joel Villanueva: I think there are asr-001613 01:29:07.750 --> 01:29:08.630 Senator Joel Villanueva: some loopholes asr-001614 01:29:08.630 --> 01:29:10.670 Senator Joel Villanueva: in that particular asr-001615 01:29:10.670 --> 01:29:12.330 Senator Joel Villanueva: joint memorandum asr-001616 01:29:12.330 --> 01:29:13.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: circular asr-001617 01:29:13.090 --> 01:29:14.450 Senator Joel Villanueva: and asr-001618 01:29:14.450 --> 01:29:16.910 Senator Joel Villanueva: and you yourself asr-001619 01:29:16.910 --> 01:29:17.590 Senator Joel Villanueva: were saying asr-001620 01:29:17.590 --> 01:29:22.510 Senator Joel Villanueva: and I wanted to ask you asr-001621 01:29:22.510 --> 01:29:23.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: you think asr-001622 01:29:23.070 --> 01:29:24.330 Senator Joel Villanueva: because I strongly believe asr-001623 01:29:24.330 --> 01:29:25.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: that it should be asr-001624 01:29:25.090 --> 01:29:25.610 Senator Joel Villanueva: revisited asr-001625 01:29:25.610 --> 01:29:26.490 Senator Joel Villanueva: do you think that asr-001626 01:29:26.490 --> 01:29:27.470 Senator Joel Villanueva: it should be revisited asr-001627 01:29:27.470 --> 01:29:28.690 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yes po asr-001628 01:29:28.690 --> 01:29:29.370 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we agree po asr-001629 01:29:29.370 --> 01:29:29.650 Senator Joel Villanueva: yeah asr-001630 01:29:29.650 --> 01:29:30.890 Senator Joel Villanueva: because there's a problem asr-001631 01:29:30.890 --> 01:29:31.350 Senator Joel Villanueva: there eh asr-001632 01:29:31.350 --> 01:29:31.950 Senator Joel Villanueva: for example asr-001633 01:29:31.950 --> 01:29:32.770 Senator Joel Villanueva: dun sa asr-001634 01:29:32.770 --> 01:29:35.590 Senator Joel Villanueva: role of a asr-001635 01:29:35.590 --> 01:29:36.710 Senator Joel Villanueva: disbursement asr-001636 01:29:36.710 --> 01:29:37.610 Senator Joel Villanueva: officer asr-001637 01:29:37.610 --> 01:29:38.570 Senator Joel Villanueva: siya ba talaga asr-001638 01:29:38.570 --> 01:29:39.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung asr-001639 01:29:39.070 --> 01:29:40.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: tanging asr-001640 01:29:40.090 --> 01:29:41.190 Senator Joel Villanueva: nag-iisa asr-001641 01:29:41.190 --> 01:29:43.030 Senator Joel Villanueva: na magdi-disburse asr-001642 01:29:43.030 --> 01:29:43.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: lahat ng funds asr-001643 01:29:43.870 --> 01:29:44.590 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa lahat ng asr-001644 01:29:44.590 --> 01:29:45.210 Senator Joel Villanueva: informants asr-001645 01:29:45.210 --> 01:29:45.910 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa buong Pilipinas asr-001646 01:29:45.910 --> 01:29:46.650 Senator Joel Villanueva: you don't expect asr-001647 01:29:46.650 --> 01:29:47.750 Senator Joel Villanueva: I mean I don't think asr-001648 01:29:47.750 --> 01:29:48.730 Senator Joel Villanueva: COA is expecting asr-001649 01:29:48.730 --> 01:29:49.550 Senator Joel Villanueva: a asr-001650 01:29:49.550 --> 01:29:51.150 Senator Joel Villanueva: single individual asr-001651 01:29:51.150 --> 01:29:52.250 Senator Joel Villanueva: who would do that asr-001652 01:29:52.250 --> 01:29:53.530 Senator Joel Villanueva: or asr-001653 01:29:53.530 --> 01:29:54.270 Senator Joel Villanueva: pupwede ba asr-001654 01:29:54.270 --> 01:29:54.810 Senator Joel Villanueva: up to asr-001655 01:29:54.810 --> 01:29:56.050 Senator Joel Villanueva: what extent asr-001656 01:29:56.050 --> 01:29:57.530 Senator Joel Villanueva: the disbursement asr-001657 01:29:57.530 --> 01:29:58.670 Senator Joel Villanueva: officer asr-001658 01:29:58.670 --> 01:29:59.990 Senator Joel Villanueva: would be able asr-001659 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:02.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: to delegate asr-001660 01:30:02.100 --> 01:30:04.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: dahil dun sa memorandum asr-001661 01:30:04.200 --> 01:30:05.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: hindi. And asr-001662 01:30:05.420 --> 01:30:07.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: you know, I'm also asr-001663 01:30:07.200 --> 01:30:09.780 Senator Joel Villanueva: interested on this particular asr-001664 01:30:09.780 --> 01:30:11.360 Senator Joel Villanueva: issues because asr-001665 01:30:11.360 --> 01:30:13.920 Senator Joel Villanueva: ang mga LGUs mayroon din eh. asr-001666 01:30:14.340 --> 01:30:16.280 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mga local government units. And I think asr-001667 01:30:16.280 --> 01:30:18.320 Senator Joel Villanueva: you know, during asr-001668 01:30:18.320 --> 01:30:19.860 Senator Joel Villanueva: the hearings asr-001669 01:30:19.860 --> 01:30:22.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: may mga LGU officials asr-001670 01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:24.060 Senator Joel Villanueva: asking or texting me asr-001671 01:30:24.060 --> 01:30:26.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: parang takot na takot na din asr-001672 01:30:26.260 --> 01:30:28.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: sila. How do they use asr-001673 01:30:28.020 --> 01:30:29.760 Senator Joel Villanueva: their intelligence funds, etc. asr-001674 01:30:30.300 --> 01:30:32.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung iba ayaw na. Yung iba asr-001675 01:30:32.200 --> 01:30:34.000 Senator Joel Villanueva: sinasabi naman na hindi namin asr-001676 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:35.860 Senator Joel Villanueva: afford na hindi gamitin. asr-001677 01:30:36.240 --> 01:30:37.780 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kailangan talaga namin, etc. asr-001678 01:30:38.700 --> 01:30:39.540 Senator Joel Villanueva: Sir, please. asr-001679 01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:41.040 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Magandang tanong ho yun. asr-001680 01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:42.900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ganito po. asr-001681 01:30:44.120 --> 01:30:45.720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Sa Joint Memorandum Circular, asr-001682 01:30:45.980 --> 01:30:47.840 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang requirement po, asr-001683 01:30:48.040 --> 01:30:50.220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the SDO must be the one personally asr-001684 01:30:50.220 --> 01:30:52.600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to hand over the cash asr-001685 01:30:52.600 --> 01:30:54.020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dun sa recipient asr-001686 01:30:54.020 --> 01:30:56.020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dahil po at the end asr-001687 01:30:56.020 --> 01:30:56.850 Senator Joel Villanueva: End user to no? asr-001687-split-2 01:30:56.850 --> 01:30:57.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Yes po. asr-001688 01:30:57.480 --> 01:30:59.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Exactly. Because po, asr-001689 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:01.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: magbibigay po itong asr-001690 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:03.300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: SDO ng certification asr-001691 01:31:03.300 --> 01:31:05.860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na inabot nga po niya asr-001692 01:31:05.860 --> 01:31:07.380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung pera sa tao na to. asr-001693 01:31:08.380 --> 01:31:09.780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Wala pong limitasyon asr-001694 01:31:09.780 --> 01:31:11.180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kung ilang SDO po asr-001695 01:31:11.180 --> 01:31:13.780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang pwedeng gamitin asr-001696 01:31:13.780 --> 01:31:15.520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po ng isang opisina. Kung asr-001697 01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:17.620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: lokasyon po ang problema, tulad asr-001698 01:31:17.620 --> 01:31:19.560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho nung simula po Aparri asr-001699 01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:21.440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: hanggang Jolo, ang asr-001700 01:31:21.440 --> 01:31:22.460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kailangan hong bigyan, asr-001701 01:31:23.300 --> 01:31:25.740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nasa head of agency o nasa ahensya asr-001702 01:31:25.740 --> 01:31:27.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po, ang pamamaraan kung asr-001703 01:31:27.760 --> 01:31:29.580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sino ang assigned SDO. asr-001704 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:32.000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang importante asr-001705 01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:33.600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: lang po sa SDO ay asr-001706 01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:36.120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: may mga requirements po eh. asr-001707 01:31:36.820 --> 01:31:37.980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Accountable officer, asr-001708 01:31:38.360 --> 01:31:38.780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: bonded, asr-001709 01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:42.060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at ang wala naman po asr-001710 01:31:42.060 --> 01:31:43.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sinatawag tayong asr-001711 01:31:43.540 --> 01:31:45.240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang iisa lang po pwede. asr-001712 01:31:46.340 --> 01:31:47.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang ginagawa po ay asr-001713 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:49.520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to make everyone accountable. asr-001714 01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:52.120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Lalong-lalong na po kung malaki-laki asr-001715 01:31:52.120 --> 01:31:52.860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho yung pera. asr-001716 01:31:53.800 --> 01:31:55.740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Iba-ibang SDO dahil iba-iba asr-001717 01:31:55.740 --> 01:31:56.860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: naman po yung programa. asr-001718 01:31:57.720 --> 01:31:58.860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Maraming agencies. asr-001719 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:02.200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Based with the SDOs po asr-001720 01:32:02.200 --> 01:32:04.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: because ang importante po asr-001721 01:32:04.400 --> 01:32:06.380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ay maparating ho yung asr-001722 01:32:06.380 --> 01:32:07.920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pondo at yung asr-001723 01:32:07.920 --> 01:32:10.360 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: SDO po, dapat kakilala rin po asr-001724 01:32:10.360 --> 01:32:11.520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: niya yung pinagbibigyan. asr-001725 01:32:12.100 --> 01:32:14.000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Dahil yung magbibigay ho ng asr-001726 01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:16.320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: acknowledgement receipt o yung tinatawag asr-001727 01:32:16.320 --> 01:32:18.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: naming documents evidencing asr-001728 01:32:18.400 --> 01:32:20.120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: payment ay yung mismo pong asr-001729 01:32:20.120 --> 01:32:20.820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kaharap niya. asr-001730 01:32:23.080 --> 01:32:23.940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Meron pa nga hong asr-001731 01:32:23.940 --> 01:32:25.800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pangalawang dokumento o libro asr-001732 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:27.660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na nire-require sa SDO po. asr-001733 01:32:27.820 --> 01:32:29.800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Hindi lang po yung tinatawag asr-001734 01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:32.060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: naming acknowledgement receipt. asr-001735 01:32:32.780 --> 01:32:34.240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ito po yung, meron pong asr-001736 01:32:34.240 --> 01:32:35.920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: journal requirement po yan eh asr-001737 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:37.980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na tinatago niya, nilalagay sa vault. asr-001738 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:40.480 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Nasa Joint Memorandum asr-001739 01:32:40.480 --> 01:32:41.100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Circular po. asr-001740 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:43.800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pati si asr-001741 01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:44.780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: IF. asr-001742 01:32:45.540 --> 01:32:47.000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: IF only. asr-001743 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:48.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pati sa asr-001744 01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:50.560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: military. asr-001745 01:32:51.820 --> 01:32:53.580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Sa military po, iba ang asr-001746 01:32:53.580 --> 01:32:56.380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: proseso ng mga dokumento. asr-001747 01:32:57.160 --> 01:32:58.160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pero meron pong libro asr-001748 01:32:58.160 --> 01:32:59.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na requirement na asr-001749 01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:00.880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sige. asr-001750 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:02.480 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Yung, yun lang po. asr-001751 01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:04.220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Basta, yung SDO po asr-001752 01:33:04.220 --> 01:33:05.180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: can be multiple. asr-001753 01:33:05.460 --> 01:33:06.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: There is no limit. asr-001754 01:33:07.120 --> 01:33:08.820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: As long as proper management asr-001755 01:33:08.820 --> 01:33:10.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and proper bonding and asr-001756 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:11.880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: accountability can be had. asr-001757 01:33:11.900 --> 01:33:12.840 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yes, because it would be asr-001758 01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:14.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: extremely impossible asr-001759 01:33:14.620 --> 01:33:16.480 Senator Joel Villanueva: for just one person to asr-001760 01:33:16.480 --> 01:33:17.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: distribute all these asr-001761 01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:21.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: funds nationwide. asr-001762 01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:22.360 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, yun. asr-001763 01:33:22.820 --> 01:33:24.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ano ho, sa akin yun, no? asr-001764 01:33:24.480 --> 01:33:25.700 Senator Joel Villanueva: Game changer yun. asr-001765 01:33:25.740 --> 01:33:26.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung nasabi nyo, hindi naman asr-001766 01:33:26.940 --> 01:33:27.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: kailangan isa lang. asr-001767 01:33:28.440 --> 01:33:29.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: And another thing that I'd like asr-001768 01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:30.460 Senator Joel Villanueva: to ask. asr-001769 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:32.380 Senator Joel Villanueva: In the Joint Memorandum asr-001770 01:33:32.380 --> 01:33:33.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Circular, asr-001771 01:33:35.100 --> 01:33:36.920 Senator Joel Villanueva: on the issue of rewards, asr-001772 01:33:37.920 --> 01:33:40.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung successful asr-001773 01:33:40.020 --> 01:33:41.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: dapat bago bigyan ng asr-001774 01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:42.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: reward, no? asr-001775 01:33:43.660 --> 01:33:44.000 Senator Joel Villanueva: And, asr-001776 01:33:44.040 --> 01:33:46.580 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa militar, asr-001777 01:33:47.020 --> 01:33:48.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa LGUs, asr-001778 01:33:49.480 --> 01:33:50.840 Senator Joel Villanueva: as a matter of policy, asr-001779 01:33:51.440 --> 01:33:52.640 Senator Joel Villanueva: when you're buying an asr-001780 01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:53.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: information, definitely, asr-001781 01:33:54.440 --> 01:33:56.740 Senator Joel Villanueva: you don't expect them to asr-001782 01:33:56.740 --> 01:33:58.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: give you an official receipt. asr-001783 01:33:58.840 --> 01:33:59.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Unlike if it is, asr-001784 01:33:59.960 --> 01:34:01.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: medicine or asr-001785 01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:03.040 Senator Joel Villanueva: equipment asr-001786 01:34:03.040 --> 01:34:05.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: or gamit, office asr-001787 01:34:05.200 --> 01:34:06.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: equipment, no? asr-001788 01:34:07.120 --> 01:34:07.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: But if you're asr-001789 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:10.060 Senator Joel Villanueva: trying to get information, asr-001790 01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:12.860 Senator Joel Villanueva: yeah, I would assume yung asr-001791 01:34:12.860 --> 01:34:14.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: acknowledgement receipt is asr-001792 01:34:14.180 --> 01:34:16.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: will suffice. asr-001793 01:34:17.540 --> 01:34:18.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: But, asr-001794 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:20.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: can you use it asr-001795 01:34:20.420 --> 01:34:22.360 Senator Joel Villanueva: for reward system? asr-001796 01:34:22.500 --> 01:34:23.660 Senator Joel Villanueva: Because the asr-001797 01:34:23.660 --> 01:34:25.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: joint circular asr-001798 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:28.160 Senator Joel Villanueva: is very strict on the use asr-001799 01:34:28.160 --> 01:34:29.880 Senator Joel Villanueva: of the category, asr-001800 01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:31.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: reward, na dapat asr-001801 01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:34.340 Senator Joel Villanueva: successful. And then, how do you define asr-001802 01:34:34.340 --> 01:34:36.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: successful? When you prevent something asr-001803 01:34:36.420 --> 01:34:38.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: from happening, a bad asr-001804 01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:40.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: thing that would happen, na prevent asr-001805 01:34:40.440 --> 01:34:42.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng information, etc. asr-001806 01:34:44.820 --> 01:34:45.860 Senator Joel Villanueva: That's considered asr-001807 01:34:45.860 --> 01:34:48.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: successful. Pero, who would asr-001808 01:34:48.240 --> 01:34:49.280 Senator Joel Villanueva: also say na asr-001809 01:34:49.280 --> 01:34:51.300 Senator Joel Villanueva: successful? asr-001810 01:34:52.260 --> 01:34:54.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: I mean, I'm sorry, I have asr-001811 01:34:54.420 --> 01:34:56.380 Senator Joel Villanueva: multiple questions there, but I think asr-001812 01:34:56.380 --> 01:34:58.440 Senator Joel Villanueva: you get my point. And I just want to be asr-001813 01:34:58.440 --> 01:34:59.400 Senator Joel Villanueva: clarified as to, asr-001814 01:34:59.960 --> 01:35:02.040 Senator Joel Villanueva: what we can do and how we can asr-001815 01:35:02.040 --> 01:35:03.740 Senator Joel Villanueva: improve and asr-001816 01:35:03.740 --> 01:35:05.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: clearly explain to the public asr-001817 01:35:05.940 --> 01:35:07.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: our current policy. asr-001818 01:35:09.340 --> 01:35:10.120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Thank you for asr-001819 01:35:10.120 --> 01:35:10.800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the question, po. asr-001820 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:13.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Our present joint memorandum asr-001821 01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:15.440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: circular, po, under asr-001822 01:35:15.440 --> 01:35:17.660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: clause 4.8, asr-001823 01:35:18.160 --> 01:35:19.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dito po nakalista kung saan asr-001824 01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:21.780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pwedeng gastusin ang confidential funds. asr-001825 01:35:23.060 --> 01:35:23.660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Magkaibang asr-001826 01:35:23.660 --> 01:35:25.720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: magkaiba po ang purchase asr-001827 01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:27.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of information. Ito po yung asr-001828 01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:29.600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: unang paragraph, yung unang numero. asr-001829 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:31.840 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Yung payment of asr-001830 01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:33.860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: rewards to informers, kakaibang asr-001831 01:35:33.860 --> 01:35:35.020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: gastus po. asr-001832 01:35:36.100 --> 01:35:37.800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pag tinignan po nyo yung payment asr-001833 01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:38.840 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to informants, asr-001834 01:35:40.180 --> 01:35:41.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: simpleng-simple lang po ito. asr-001835 01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:43.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Kailangan lang po ito para asr-001836 01:35:43.700 --> 01:35:45.460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pag-formulate ng programa, asr-001837 01:35:46.060 --> 01:35:47.980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: mga aktividades at mga proyekto asr-001838 01:35:47.980 --> 01:35:49.580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: for the national asr-001839 01:35:49.580 --> 01:35:51.380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: security and for peace and order. asr-001840 01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:55.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pag reward po ang pinag-uusapan asr-001841 01:35:55.700 --> 01:35:56.680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po natin, kakaiba. asr-001842 01:35:57.680 --> 01:35:59.500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pag sinabi po natin reward, asr-001843 01:35:59.500 --> 01:36:01.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: may kaakibat na success. asr-001844 01:36:01.500 --> 01:36:04.100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: At mas mahigpit po asr-001845 01:36:04.100 --> 01:36:05.440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang pag-audit ng reward. asr-001846 01:36:06.140 --> 01:36:06.960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang sinasabi po, asr-001847 01:36:07.780 --> 01:36:09.460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the moment we pay rewards to asr-001848 01:36:09.460 --> 01:36:10.260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: informers, asr-001849 01:36:11.420 --> 01:36:13.600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang unang condition po, hindi po asr-001850 01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:15.240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pwedeng empleyado ito ng ahensya. asr-001851 01:36:16.700 --> 01:36:17.480 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: So dapat po asr-001852 01:36:17.480 --> 01:36:19.660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: outside the agency. asr-001853 01:36:20.280 --> 01:36:21.720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang pangalawang condition po, asr-001854 01:36:22.500 --> 01:36:23.620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dapat approve po ito asr-001855 01:36:23.620 --> 01:36:25.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ng ulo ng ahensya or the head asr-001856 01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:26.560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the agency, asr-001857 01:36:28.780 --> 01:36:30.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and if it is a GOCC, asr-001858 01:36:30.540 --> 01:36:32.660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung chairman po ng kanyang asr-001859 01:36:32.660 --> 01:36:34.680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: board. Yung pangalawang asr-001860 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:36.520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: requirement po, it is asr-001861 01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:38.120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: supported with documents asr-001862 01:36:38.120 --> 01:36:40.300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: evidencing the success of the asr-001863 01:36:40.300 --> 01:36:42.560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: information gathering and asr-001864 01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:43.940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: surveillance activities. asr-001865 01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:46.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Hindi ho ito limitado asr-001866 01:36:46.540 --> 01:36:47.960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sa pag-aresto, asr-001867 01:36:48.420 --> 01:36:50.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dahil kaya nga ho nabigan na reward. asr-001868 01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:52.740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Hindi kailangan na makonvict asr-001869 01:36:52.740 --> 01:36:53.900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: bago may bigay reward. asr-001870 01:36:54.680 --> 01:36:56.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Importante lang po, may positibong asr-001871 01:36:56.640 --> 01:36:58.440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nangyari, at asr-001872 01:36:58.440 --> 01:37:00.440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung reward, kaya ho inaabot. asr-001873 01:37:01.440 --> 01:37:02.580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pag wala pa hong asr-001874 01:37:02.580 --> 01:37:04.620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: success, assuming gusto asr-001875 01:37:04.620 --> 01:37:06.640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: lang ho natin ayusin asr-001876 01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:08.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung programa o yung confidential asr-001877 01:37:08.400 --> 01:37:10.520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activity, hindi po reward yun. asr-001878 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:11.900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Payment of information. asr-001879 01:37:13.020 --> 01:37:14.900 Senator Joel Villanueva: Explain further yung third asr-001880 01:37:14.900 --> 01:37:15.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: ninyo. asr-001881 01:37:16.480 --> 01:37:18.480 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung binanggit po ninyo, I'm sorry, asr-001882 01:37:18.940 --> 01:37:20.480 Senator Joel Villanueva: I might not be able to catch asr-001883 01:37:20.480 --> 01:37:22.760 Senator Joel Villanueva: some phrases you mentioned. Dun sa third, asr-001884 01:37:23.360 --> 01:37:24.660 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung sa una, yung asr-001885 01:37:24.660 --> 01:37:26.700 Senator Joel Villanueva: success, not an employee, head of asr-001886 01:37:26.700 --> 01:37:28.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: the agency approving the asr-001887 01:37:28.180 --> 01:37:30.520 Senator Joel Villanueva: reward. asr-001888 01:37:30.740 --> 01:37:31.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: And then yung third? asr-001889 01:37:31.420 --> 01:37:31.540 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung third? asr-001890 01:37:32.580 --> 01:37:37.180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: It must be supported asr-001891 01:37:37.180 --> 01:37:39.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: with documents evidencing asr-001892 01:37:39.540 --> 01:37:41.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the success of the information asr-001893 01:37:41.420 --> 01:37:43.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: gathering or surveillance asr-001894 01:37:43.700 --> 01:37:45.680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activities on account asr-001895 01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:47.520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the information given by asr-001896 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:48.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the informer. asr-001897 01:37:49.540 --> 01:37:51.320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: So, kailangan asr-001898 01:37:51.320 --> 01:37:53.140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: may preba ng success. asr-001899 01:37:53.860 --> 01:37:55.560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Kung very general po yung asr-001900 01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:56.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: wording ng success, asr-001901 01:37:57.640 --> 01:37:58.220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: medyo asr-001902 01:37:58.220 --> 01:38:01.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: proof there. Diyan sa asr-001903 01:38:01.020 --> 01:38:02.120 Senator Joel Villanueva: latest asr-001904 01:38:02.580 --> 01:38:04.300 Senator Joel Villanueva: statement, the proof there would be asr-001905 01:38:04.300 --> 01:38:05.780 Senator Joel Villanueva: nothing happened. asr-001906 01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:08.500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Sabihin lang po natin, we're looking at asr-001907 01:38:08.500 --> 01:38:08.960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: PDEA. asr-001908 01:38:11.040 --> 01:38:12.960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Nag-surveillance. asr-001909 01:38:14.040 --> 01:38:14.800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Binigyan ho niyan, asr-001910 01:38:15.900 --> 01:38:17.460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nung una, nagbigay ho siya ng asr-001911 01:38:17.460 --> 01:38:19.820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: payment for information. asr-001912 01:38:21.020 --> 01:38:22.260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: So, based on that, asr-001913 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:24.480 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: may natiktikan po silang asr-001914 01:38:24.480 --> 01:38:26.560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: let's say po, courier or asr-001915 01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:26.900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pusher. asr-001916 01:38:28.180 --> 01:38:30.580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: The moment po, based on that information, asr-001917 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:32.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nahuli po yung pusher. asr-001918 01:38:32.580 --> 01:38:34.760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang mangyayari po dyan, asr-001919 01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:37.060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: so, may payment asr-001920 01:38:37.060 --> 01:38:37.740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of success, asr-001921 01:38:38.580 --> 01:38:40.820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang preba ho could be affidavits asr-001922 01:38:40.820 --> 01:38:42.720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of arrest of police asr-001923 01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:43.300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: personnel, asr-001924 01:38:44.240 --> 01:38:46.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: detention, mga litrato asr-001925 01:38:46.700 --> 01:38:48.720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po na nangyari to nung panahon asr-001926 01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:50.620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na to, nahuli to dahil sa asr-001927 01:38:50.620 --> 01:38:51.460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: impormasyon na to. asr-001928 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:53.960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Hindi, kung asr-001929 01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:56.380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: acknowledgement receipt lang po ang binigay natin asr-001930 01:38:56.380 --> 01:38:58.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: for reward, it will asr-001931 01:38:58.540 --> 01:39:00.240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: not comply po with this. asr-001932 01:39:00.540 --> 01:39:02.500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: So, ang mangyayari asr-001933 01:39:02.500 --> 01:39:04.280 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho dyan, disallowed ho kaagad, dahil asr-001934 01:39:04.280 --> 01:39:06.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: hindi ho napatunayan asr-001935 01:39:06.400 --> 01:39:07.100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung success. asr-001936 01:39:07.760 --> 01:39:10.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: In that particular situation and asr-001937 01:39:10.260 --> 01:39:12.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: example that you have given us, asr-001938 01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:13.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: kahit hindi mahuli, pero asr-001939 01:39:13.940 --> 01:39:16.380 Senator Joel Villanueva: nalaman, natuntun, this is the same asr-001940 01:39:16.380 --> 01:39:18.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: group that they are after, kahit asr-001941 01:39:18.180 --> 01:39:20.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: hindi nahuli, nakatakas, pero alam, asr-001942 01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:22.480 Senator Joel Villanueva: tama yung information na nakuha, asr-001943 01:39:23.060 --> 01:39:24.360 Senator Joel Villanueva: that's, ano, pwedeng asr-001944 01:39:24.360 --> 01:39:25.280 Senator Joel Villanueva: bigyan ng reward yun. asr-001945 01:39:25.580 --> 01:39:28.500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Magkakaroon po ng documentation ngayon asr-001946 01:39:28.500 --> 01:39:30.880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na natunugan yung asr-001947 01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:31.200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: grupo. asr-001948 01:39:32.500 --> 01:39:34.160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Tapos, sabihin ho natin, asr-001949 01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:34.940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: surveillance. asr-001950 01:39:36.540 --> 01:39:37.380 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yes. asr-001950-split-2 01:39:37.380 --> 01:39:38.400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: At the same time po, asr-001951 01:39:38.860 --> 01:39:40.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: magkakaroon ng mga dokumento asr-001952 01:39:40.700 --> 01:39:42.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho yan. But, importante asr-001953 01:39:42.540 --> 01:39:44.740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung dokumento na yun. May pang-apat po. asr-001954 01:39:45.900 --> 01:39:46.560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: It must be asr-001955 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:48.440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: directly related to the conduct asr-001956 01:39:48.440 --> 01:39:50.260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the specific confidential asr-001957 01:39:50.260 --> 01:39:52.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activities of authorized agencies. asr-001958 01:39:54.700 --> 01:39:56.420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Kaya nga po, kung titinan ho nyo asr-001959 01:39:56.420 --> 01:39:58.000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung kabuuan ng confidential asr-001960 01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:00.600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activities, meron ho ang proposal asr-001961 01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:01.820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which is the program. asr-001962 01:40:02.500 --> 01:40:04.280 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang kasunod po nun ay, asr-001963 01:40:05.040 --> 01:40:06.700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ito, mandato ng ahensya. asr-001964 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:08.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang kasunod po nun, asr-001965 01:40:09.020 --> 01:40:10.860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kung hindi po konektado at napakalayo asr-001966 01:40:10.860 --> 01:40:11.380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: naman po, asr-001967 01:40:12.240 --> 01:40:14.540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we might be violating po, the last asr-001968 01:40:14.540 --> 01:40:16.220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: condition for payment of asr-001969 01:40:16.220 --> 01:40:17.080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: rewards po. asr-001970 01:40:25.580 --> 01:40:27.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Related to their programs or advocacies asr-001971 01:40:27.940 --> 01:40:29.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: or mandate of the asr-001972 01:40:29.500 --> 01:40:30.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: agency. asr-001973 01:40:30.980 --> 01:40:32.220 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. asr-001974 01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:35.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman, if I will go to asr-001975 01:40:35.500 --> 01:40:37.840 Senator Joel Villanueva: another topic, asr-001976 01:40:38.100 --> 01:40:39.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: if we... asr-001977 01:40:39.500 --> 01:40:41.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Meron lang ano, singit lang asr-001978 01:40:41.300 --> 01:40:43.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Senator Villanueva, your indulgence. asr-001979 01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:45.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Question from media, ano na daw asr-001980 01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:47.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ang status ni COA Commissioner asr-001981 01:40:47.120 --> 01:40:49.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Mario Lipana na sumabit asr-001982 01:40:49.580 --> 01:40:50.960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: din sa flood control scandal? asr-001983 01:40:51.740 --> 01:40:53.840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Update lang, and then si Senator Villanueva na. asr-001984 01:40:54.420 --> 01:40:55.660 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yeah, Mr. Chair, asr-001985 01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:57.040 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Senator Villanueva, si asr-001986 01:40:57.040 --> 01:40:59.560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: si ano po, si Commissioner Lipana asr-001987 01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:01.680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: is naka-leave po siya asr-001988 01:41:01.680 --> 01:41:03.500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: because of medical... asr-001989 01:41:07.410 --> 01:41:08.330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pero matagal na, no? asr-001990 01:41:08.530 --> 01:41:10.090 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Medyo matagal na yung kanyang condition, no? asr-001991 01:41:10.090 --> 01:41:11.850 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, pero sometimes po, asr-001992 01:41:12.290 --> 01:41:13.770 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: pumapasok naman siya, sometimes hindi. asr-001993 01:41:14.270 --> 01:41:15.430 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Because he goes to asr-001994 01:41:15.430 --> 01:41:17.650 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Singapore po ata for asr-001995 01:41:17.650 --> 01:41:19.830 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: for treatment. asr-001996 01:41:23.670 --> 01:41:25.290 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Up to when is the authorized na no? asr-001997 01:41:25.410 --> 01:41:26.350 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yung kanyang medical leave? asr-001998 01:41:27.730 --> 01:41:29.190 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: I just don't have the asr-001999 01:41:29.190 --> 01:41:30.230 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: details. Pero asr-002000 01:41:30.230 --> 01:41:33.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: hanggang next week. asr-002001 01:41:34.240 --> 01:41:36.120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Hanggang next week po, your honors. asr-002002 01:41:36.360 --> 01:41:37.440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: September 7 po. asr-002003 01:41:38.380 --> 01:41:40.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: September 9, sorry. So it's September 9. asr-002004 01:41:41.420 --> 01:41:42.640 Senator Joel Villanueva: You know, I... asr-002005 01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:45.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: It's kind of asr-002006 01:41:48.080 --> 01:41:49.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: something that asr-002007 01:41:49.180 --> 01:41:51.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: is very dear to my heart, itong asr-002008 01:41:51.620 --> 01:41:52.740 Senator Joel Villanueva: flood control asr-002009 01:41:52.740 --> 01:41:55.840 Senator Joel Villanueva: issues, especially in my asr-002010 01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:57.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: beloved province. asr-002011 01:41:57.820 --> 01:41:59.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: And Senator JV would attest to this. asr-002012 01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:02.160 Senator Joel Villanueva: I have been raising this particular issue asr-002013 01:42:02.160 --> 01:42:03.820 Senator Joel Villanueva: for quite asr-002014 01:42:03.820 --> 01:42:05.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: some time since 2020. asr-002015 01:42:06.040 --> 01:42:07.700 Senator Joel Villanueva: And every year, and just recently, asr-002016 01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:09.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: I stood again in the plenary to asr-002017 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:11.840 Senator Joel Villanueva: deliver a privileged speech on this particular asr-002018 01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:13.860 Senator Joel Villanueva: topic. I am not asr-002019 01:42:13.860 --> 01:42:15.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: in any way asr-002020 01:42:15.080 --> 01:42:17.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: leaving. asr-002021 01:42:18.080 --> 01:42:19.920 Senator Joel Villanueva: On this particular topic asr-002022 01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:22.120 Senator Joel Villanueva: because this is one of the main reasons asr-002023 01:42:22.120 --> 01:42:24.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: why I run for the Senate. asr-002024 01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:26.220 Senator Joel Villanueva: And unfortunately, asr-002025 01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:27.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: ito nga ho yung nangyari. asr-002026 01:42:28.460 --> 01:42:30.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: Just recently, baha ho asr-002027 01:42:30.020 --> 01:42:31.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa loob mismo ng bahay namin, asr-002028 01:42:31.740 --> 01:42:32.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman. asr-002029 01:42:33.260 --> 01:42:35.160 Senator Joel Villanueva: And it's getting worse. asr-002030 01:42:35.940 --> 01:42:38.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung mga lugar na... asr-002031 01:42:39.280 --> 01:42:40.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ako, maniwala asr-002032 01:42:40.100 --> 01:42:42.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: kahit sa hindi, 50 anos na ako. asr-002033 01:42:42.620 --> 01:42:44.040 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pero in 50 years, di ko pa asr-002034 01:42:44.040 --> 01:42:45.580 Senator Joel Villanueva: nakitang pinasok yung asr-002035 01:42:45.580 --> 01:42:47.360 Senator Joel Villanueva: ilang mga lugar sa amin, asr-002036 01:42:48.080 --> 01:42:50.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: aming probinsya. So, this is asr-002037 01:42:50.020 --> 01:42:52.000 Senator Joel Villanueva: the worst. I am asr-002038 01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:53.320 Senator Joel Villanueva: telling you, this is the worst. asr-002039 01:42:54.900 --> 01:42:55.840 Senator Joel Villanueva: Of course, hindi lang asr-002040 01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:58.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: ang sinisisi natin asr-002041 01:42:58.020 --> 01:43:00.120 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung flood control projects. asr-002042 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:01.920 Senator Joel Villanueva: Merong issue ng asr-002043 01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:03.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: basura, may issue ng asr-002044 01:43:03.200 --> 01:43:06.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: global warming, asr-002045 01:43:06.220 --> 01:43:07.820 Senator Joel Villanueva: etc. Siyempre, main yung asr-002046 01:43:07.820 --> 01:43:09.720 Senator Joel Villanueva: flood control asr-002047 01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:11.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: projects. And I've been asr-002048 01:43:11.620 --> 01:43:13.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: sounding like a broken asr-002049 01:43:13.940 --> 01:43:15.900 Senator Joel Villanueva: record. Palpak yung mga asr-002050 01:43:15.900 --> 01:43:17.380 Senator Joel Villanueva: flood control projects. asr-002051 01:43:18.080 --> 01:43:19.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: I can show you all the asr-002052 01:43:19.800 --> 01:43:22.040 Senator Joel Villanueva: TSNs here. In this particular asr-002053 01:43:22.040 --> 01:43:24.040 Senator Joel Villanueva: room, ilang beses na nag-hearing dito. asr-002054 01:43:24.360 --> 01:43:25.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: Paulit-ulit po ako. asr-002055 01:43:26.280 --> 01:43:27.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: Hindi integrated yung asr-002056 01:43:27.680 --> 01:43:29.900 Senator Joel Villanueva: walang master plan, hindi integrated, asr-002057 01:43:30.060 --> 01:43:32.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: etc. So, ang tatanong ko sa COA, asr-002058 01:43:32.240 --> 01:43:34.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: I remember na asr-002059 01:43:34.080 --> 01:43:35.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: kayo po ay nagko-conduct asr-002060 01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:37.640 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng mga fraud audits asr-002061 01:43:37.640 --> 01:43:40.000 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa, particularly ho, asr-002062 01:43:40.100 --> 01:43:41.420 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa probinsya namin. And asr-002063 01:43:41.420 --> 01:43:43.560 Senator Joel Villanueva: please, no holds barred po ito. asr-002064 01:43:44.060 --> 01:43:45.620 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pwede nyo po bang sabihin kung asr-002065 01:43:45.620 --> 01:43:47.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano ho yung naging resulta? asr-002066 01:43:48.080 --> 01:43:50.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pwede nyo rin sabihin, kahit sa asr-002067 01:43:50.080 --> 01:43:51.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: harap ni Chairman JV, hindi po ako asr-002068 01:43:51.960 --> 01:43:54.120 Senator Joel Villanueva: mahihiya sabihin kung asr-002069 01:43:54.120 --> 01:43:56.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: si Joel Villanueva ba asr-002070 01:43:56.100 --> 01:43:58.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: kasama dyan sa mga projects asr-002071 01:43:58.260 --> 01:43:59.560 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng flood control, asr-002072 01:44:00.140 --> 01:44:01.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa mga nakita po ng COA. asr-002073 01:44:01.980 --> 01:44:04.020 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know if this has been asr-002074 01:44:04.020 --> 01:44:06.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: publicized already. Mr. Chairman, asr-002075 01:44:06.380 --> 01:44:07.300 Senator Joel Villanueva: if we can, thank you. asr-002076 01:44:07.320 --> 01:44:09.080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, asr-002077 01:44:10.340 --> 01:44:11.460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Senator Villanueva. asr-002078 01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:14.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Okay, i-reiterate ko lang po asr-002079 01:44:14.700 --> 01:44:16.220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: yung reason kung ba't sa Bulacan po kami asr-002080 01:44:16.220 --> 01:44:16.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: nag-start. asr-002081 01:44:18.080 --> 01:44:22.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: 98 billion or 18% asr-002082 01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:24.040 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: of the total worth of asr-002083 01:44:24.040 --> 01:44:25.780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: flood control projects implemented by asr-002084 01:44:25.780 --> 01:44:27.940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: DPWH from 2022 to 2025 asr-002085 01:44:27.940 --> 01:44:29.420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay sa Bulacan po napunta. asr-002086 01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:31.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: 18, almost 20%. asr-002087 01:44:31.900 --> 01:44:34.060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And then, ah sorry, region 3 asr-002088 01:44:34.060 --> 01:44:34.980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po pala, region 3. asr-002089 01:44:36.140 --> 01:44:37.360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, opo. And then asr-002090 01:44:37.360 --> 01:44:39.820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: almost 50% of that asr-002091 01:44:39.820 --> 01:44:41.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: or 45% to be exact asr-002092 01:44:41.760 --> 01:44:44.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay nasa Bulacan po. asr-002093 01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:45.740 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, dun po talaga kami asr-002094 01:44:45.740 --> 01:44:48.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: nag-concentrate. So, as of asr-002095 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: today, nagkaroon po kami asr-002096 01:44:50.120 --> 01:44:50.560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ng... asr-002097 01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:53.900 Senator Joel Villanueva: How many projects? Kung ilan po ito? asr-002097-split-2 01:44:53.900 --> 01:44:54.980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Marami po ito. asr-002098 01:44:55.620 --> 01:44:56.020 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Marami. asr-002099 01:44:56.100 --> 01:44:57.960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Marami po ito. But so far asr-002100 01:44:57.960 --> 01:44:59.800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang fraud audit po namin, tuloy-tuloy asr-002101 01:44:59.800 --> 01:44:59.940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: naman. asr-002102 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So far, nasa almost 50 na po kami. asr-002103 01:45:02.860 --> 01:45:03.660 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Almost 50. asr-002104 01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:05.860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And then, iba-iba po yung nakita namin. asr-002105 01:45:06.020 --> 01:45:10.300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But marami po sa kanila talagang defective or non-existent. asr-002106 01:45:10.520 --> 01:45:16.440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, yun po ang aming naging conclusion doon sa fraud audit. asr-002107 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:18.740 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, we issued notice of disallowances. asr-002108 01:45:19.420 --> 01:45:25.140 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And we already submitted this to the Office of the Ombudsman. asr-002109 01:45:25.140 --> 01:45:30.220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Dati po, nung nandiyan pa po yung ICI, we submitted the ICI to the Office of the Ombudsman also. asr-002110 01:45:31.020 --> 01:45:35.540 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Now, doon po kasi sa mga NDs that we issued and sa flood control projects, asr-002111 01:45:35.540 --> 01:45:40.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: meron po kasi dyan tinatawag na persons liable. asr-002112 01:45:41.820 --> 01:45:47.840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, makikita po namin, we can submit it to you, we can submit it to the Honorable Finance Committee. asr-002113 01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:51.120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: At makikita po nyo yung mga persons liable, nandoon naman po. asr-002114 01:45:51.240 --> 01:45:54.860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: It's really the DPWH people yung po nag-i-implement. asr-002115 01:45:54.860 --> 01:45:59.540 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Because it's the budget of the DPWH and it's their personnel po sa Bulacan. asr-002116 01:46:00.020 --> 01:46:05.960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Wala naman po si Sen. Joel doon at hindi naman siya implement or he's a legislator. asr-002117 01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:16.000 Senator Joel Villanueva: Would you know if there are projects being pushed by politicians in these particular areas na inaudit ninyo? asr-002118 01:46:16.420 --> 01:46:18.300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Wala po kaming nakikita eh. asr-002119 01:46:18.440 --> 01:46:22.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But what we see is yung implementing agency which is the DPWH po. asr-002120 01:46:22.900 --> 01:46:25.920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Nasa JA po kasi yun. asr-002121 01:46:25.940 --> 01:46:33.760 Senator Joel Villanueva: Can we also ask, dito sa 50 fraudulent, I mean 50 fraud audits, yung breakdown po binabanggit nyo, asr-002122 01:46:33.860 --> 01:46:38.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: some were ghosts, some were, do we have a breakdown already? asr-002123 01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:49.560 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kung ilan doon yung talagang ghosts, yung ilan doon yung substandard, extremely substandard materials yung ginamit? asr-002124 01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:52.080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We don't have it right now but we can submit po. asr-002125 01:46:52.900 --> 01:46:54.780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So far po, majority po, wala po siya. asr-002126 01:46:55.220 --> 01:47:03.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: With the indulgence of Sen. Villanueva, siguro Chairman Lielo, we would like to, can you submit to the committee asr-002127 01:47:03.540 --> 01:47:12.420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yung list ng inyo pong investigation on which projects are found to be irregular, yung pong may ghosts, asr-002128 01:47:12.420 --> 01:47:22.420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or basta hindi po substandard because our policy right now in this budget hearings is to resume flood asr-002129 01:47:22.900 --> 01:47:26.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: control projects to complete the uncompleted ones. asr-002130 01:47:26.380 --> 01:47:29.100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi nakita naman natin ang naging epekto ngayon. asr-002131 01:47:29.320 --> 01:47:39.660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Because for 2026 talagang ziniro, flood control, ang nangyari tuloy talagang may mga puwang, may mga gaps, mga uncompleted. asr-002132 01:47:39.860 --> 01:47:44.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So which were said, kasi naipon mo yung tubig pero puwapasok naman yung tubig. asr-002133 01:47:44.960 --> 01:47:52.880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So our instruction is also to complete the uncompleted projects, tapusin yung mga dapat tapusin, close the gap, asr-002134 01:47:52.900 --> 01:48:00.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: but we would want a list of these projects which we would, yung inyo pong nag-undergo ng investigation asr-002135 01:48:00.860 --> 01:48:12.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: which are found to be fraudulent, yung pong substandard para po sa amin pong pag-review asr-002136 01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:17.180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and then we will only allow those uncompleted projects that are not irregular or fraudulent. asr-002137 01:48:17.180 --> 01:48:22.180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So we appreciate the submission of this investigation. asr-002138 01:48:22.900 --> 01:48:26.600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We commit to submit that, Your Honor. asr-002139 01:48:26.700 --> 01:48:33.360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Lahat po ng aming fraud audit reports, we'll also summarize it po para po mas madali makita. asr-002140 01:48:33.860 --> 01:48:38.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And at the same time, we'll also submit the report na comprehensive per item. asr-002141 01:48:40.040 --> 01:48:45.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Idagdag ko lang din po na as early as 2016, Your Honors, the Commission Audit in charge of the DPWH asr-002142 01:48:45.900 --> 01:48:51.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: has already issued an observation po na wala po kasing... asr-002143 01:48:52.900 --> 01:48:56.380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: master plan yung pong paggawa ng pong flood control. asr-002144 01:48:56.560 --> 01:49:00.740 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So kumbaga po kanya-kanya po siya, but I think it has to be closed. asr-002145 01:49:00.860 --> 01:49:02.560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Tama po kayo, nagkaroon ng gaps eh. asr-002146 01:49:02.660 --> 01:49:03.940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So kasi po wala master plan. asr-002147 01:49:04.700 --> 01:49:08.480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So there has to be a master plan and para lahat po nakasarado. asr-002148 01:49:08.660 --> 01:49:11.320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Otherwise po, ang nangyari po kasi... asr-002149 01:49:11.320 --> 01:49:21.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sir, I'm a witness. My colleague here has been ranting about this year in and year out ever since 3-4 years ago. asr-002150 01:49:21.400 --> 01:49:25.340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang problema talaga, we were going back. asr-002151 01:49:26.080 --> 01:49:31.680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I had a post 2014 on the importance of a master plan for all projects. asr-002152 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:41.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi lang flood control, but I have been advocating a master plan for infrastructure and national development asr-002153 01:49:41.060 --> 01:49:45.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: which would include transport modernization, yung sa power, sa energy. asr-002154 01:49:45.940 --> 01:49:50.740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasaba na rin po yung water management and flood control. asr-002155 01:49:50.740 --> 01:49:51.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang nangyari dito... asr-002156 01:49:51.280 --> 01:49:51.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang nangyari dito... asr-002157 01:49:51.400 --> 01:49:56.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Siguro, Chairman Liel, yung ibang projects, sorry na lang po. asr-002158 01:49:56.600 --> 01:50:03.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kahit walang Regional Development Council approval, kahit wala sa master plan, kahit walang convergence, kahit hindi kailangan, asr-002159 01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:06.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: talagang isinagawa para pagkakitaan. asr-002160 01:50:06.160 --> 01:50:09.180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Mukhang gano'n na lumalabas, lalo rin sa mga nag-ghost. asr-002161 01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:14.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So in order, I think we would need your [unclear]. asr-002162 01:50:16.260 --> 01:50:21.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: You'll be a big factor in how we will be able to bring back that confidence asr-002163 01:50:21.280 --> 01:50:25.620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and trust, especially in this budget season, by providing us with this list. asr-002164 01:50:26.080 --> 01:50:27.420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yung pong hinihingi na api kanina. asr-002165 01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:29.880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tsaka yung pong, siguro yung pong isa tungkol sa master plan. asr-002166 01:50:30.540 --> 01:50:36.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Do you think, Chairman Liel, that in case we push itong talagang may master plan pa, asr-002167 01:50:36.080 --> 01:50:44.840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: this will definitely prevent occurrence of projects that are not needed and are intended only to, alam nyo na, asr-002168 01:50:45.300 --> 01:50:47.460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to enrich some people's pockets. asr-002169 01:50:48.220 --> 01:50:49.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi kailangan eh. asr-002170 01:50:49.040 --> 01:50:51.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So what are what we want now? asr-002171 01:50:51.280 --> 01:50:57.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We want RDC approval or at least a provincial approval to make sure that these projects are needed. asr-002172 01:50:58.280 --> 01:51:00.780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi yung basta lang po project eh para pagkakitaan. asr-002173 01:51:01.060 --> 01:51:07.480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So I'm asking your guidance also and what you think na amin pong sinasagawa. asr-002174 01:51:07.680 --> 01:51:08.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ito po yung hinihingi natin. asr-002175 01:51:09.200 --> 01:51:18.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: RDC approval, program of works, tapos basta po nasa flood-prone, top 10 flood-prone provinces asr-002176 01:51:18.140 --> 01:51:20.880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or it can be used as justification. asr-002177 01:51:21.280 --> 01:51:28.080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: There are 18 major river basins in the absence of a master plan. asr-002178 01:51:28.220 --> 01:51:35.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So siguro these are the considerations that we would have in order for us to approve flood control projects this time. asr-002179 01:51:36.600 --> 01:51:37.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So yung pong ano namin. asr-002180 01:51:37.460 --> 01:51:39.680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Siguro, ano na po, your thoughts, Chairperson? asr-002181 01:51:39.940 --> 01:51:42.500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We agree po, Your Honors. asr-002182 01:51:42.500 --> 01:51:49.560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually, sabi ko nga po sa inyo, as early as 2016, nag-issue na po ng observation ng Commission on Audit on that. asr-002183 01:51:50.160 --> 01:51:50.500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And just to mention... asr-002184 01:51:51.280 --> 01:51:58.580 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: I understand when you were mayor po of San Juan, kasi dati po ang San Juan binabahat. asr-002185 01:51:58.700 --> 01:52:02.480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So I think when you were there, marami po kayong nagawa, kaya po nabawasan ito ng... asr-002186 01:52:02.480 --> 01:52:10.920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Actually, siguro, if flood control, if done right, can really be effective. asr-002187 01:52:10.920 --> 01:52:12.920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Not to... asr-002188 01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:17.080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi ko naman siya inaangat sa sarili. asr-002189 01:52:17.320 --> 01:52:20.780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But you know, ano to, sinasabi ko, Sen. Villanueva, ano yung sa Navotas, asr-002190 01:52:21.280 --> 01:52:24.980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: under, ano to, below sea level. asr-002191 01:52:25.620 --> 01:52:35.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pero by placing strategic pumping stations in strategic areas, natanggal nila Toby Tiangco yung baha. asr-002192 01:52:36.060 --> 01:52:37.940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Naginaya po namin sa San Juan. asr-002193 01:52:38.120 --> 01:52:42.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We have about five or six barangays that are low-lying areas. asr-002194 01:52:42.740 --> 01:52:47.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Basin, na kahit dalawang linggo nang walang ulan, baha pa rin. asr-002195 01:52:47.260 --> 01:52:49.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dati, 15 to 20 feet, ang lalim. asr-002196 01:52:49.320 --> 01:52:51.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pero ngayon, halos na wala. asr-002197 01:52:51.280 --> 01:52:54.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Unfortunately, may isa na lang doon na naiwan, na inirata. asr-002198 01:52:55.080 --> 01:52:58.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Na nirequest ko kay Bonoan at kay Bernardo noon na hindi pinagbigyan. asr-002199 01:52:58.900 --> 01:53:01.620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ayaw kasi nung congressman namin dahil ayaw nung mayor. asr-002200 01:53:02.320 --> 01:53:04.080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So may isa na lang doon nababaha. asr-002201 01:53:04.240 --> 01:53:06.980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kung meron, yun na lang yung naiwan doon. asr-002202 01:53:06.980 --> 01:53:12.360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So sabi ako, nagkiusap ko sa DPWH sila na kung ano pa mangyari, basta gawin nyo na lang. asr-002203 01:53:13.200 --> 01:53:17.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So thank you for that, for yung pong sa San Juan na mention nyo. asr-002204 01:53:17.700 --> 01:53:20.100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And I think it was the Navotas that we followed. asr-002205 01:53:21.280 --> 01:53:25.020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Naging yung Bombastik pumps nila na kami pong ginaya. asr-002206 01:53:25.180 --> 01:53:25.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you. asr-002207 01:53:26.220 --> 01:53:27.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sige po, please continue. asr-002208 01:53:27.820 --> 01:53:28.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: San Juan. asr-002209 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:30.500 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. asr-002210 01:53:30.720 --> 01:53:38.380 Senator Joel Villanueva: And let me put on record that I am a living testimony of what you have been espousing here in the Senate. asr-002211 01:53:38.380 --> 01:53:47.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: And since the time you were the mayor of the great city of San Juan, yung pinupush po ninyo na master plan. asr-002212 01:53:47.740 --> 01:53:51.240 Senator Joel Villanueva: At you're not only supporting me with the master plan ng flood control. asr-002213 01:53:51.280 --> 01:53:57.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: But yun nga po, ako, lagi akong supportive doon sa mga gusto nyo yung mga infrastructure projects, asr-002214 01:53:57.900 --> 01:54:01.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: especially doon sa transportation, sa railways, etc. asr-002215 01:54:01.500 --> 01:54:08.280 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kaya mapalad kayo, Senator JV, at nagawan ng paraan yung San Juan. asr-002216 01:54:08.700 --> 01:54:14.760 Senator Joel Villanueva: At kami hanggang ngayon sa Bulacan, still suffering. asr-002217 01:54:15.900 --> 01:54:21.260 Senator Joel Villanueva: Literally, figuratively, physically, mentally, and sometimes spiritually. asr-002218 01:54:21.260 --> 01:54:35.460 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman, just to put on record, Mr. Chairman, and I'd like to give this information to our COA family headed by Chairman Cordoba. asr-002219 01:54:36.080 --> 01:54:43.040 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung po sa amin sa Bulacan, for example, doon sa Paumbong, sa Paumbong, sa Barangay Cruz, asr-002220 01:54:43.040 --> 01:54:51.170 Senator Joel Villanueva: tsaka Barangay Masukol, eh hindi na po baha yung problema nila. asr-002221 01:54:51.350 --> 01:54:53.310 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kasi nasanay na po sila. asr-002222 01:54:53.530 --> 01:54:59.990 Senator Joel Villanueva: Na hanggang dibdib, lagpas tao, at kahit summer, bumabaha po sa kanila. asr-002223 01:55:00.450 --> 01:55:07.010 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ang problema po nila ngayon, unti-unti nang kinakain nung dagat, yung lupa, nung barangay. asr-002224 01:55:07.450 --> 01:55:14.310 Senator Joel Villanueva: Itong Barangay Santa Cruz, tsaka Barangay Masukol, about 3,000 siguro yung mga residents po dyan. asr-002225 01:55:14.590 --> 01:55:19.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: At unfortunately, sabi nga nila, hindi na yung baha problema namin. asr-002226 01:55:19.230 --> 01:55:21.830 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kasi kinakain na ng lupa, mabuburan na kami sa mapa. asr-002227 01:55:21.830 --> 01:55:28.790 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ganon din po yung kalagayan sa Hagonoy, Bulacan, sa Barangay Pugad at Barangay Tibagin. asr-002228 01:55:28.930 --> 01:55:31.350 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ano naman yung nangyari dito sa dalawang barangay na ito? asr-002229 01:55:32.030 --> 01:55:39.590 Senator Joel Villanueva: Before the fiasco, before this erupted, the kasuklam-suklam na mga pangyayari about flood control, asr-002230 01:55:40.450 --> 01:55:47.010 Senator Joel Villanueva: meron pong breakwater at seawall dyan sa dalawang barangay na yan. asr-002231 01:55:48.450 --> 01:55:49.390 Senator Joel Villanueva: Meron na po siya. asr-002232 01:55:49.390 --> 01:55:58.350 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pero dahil gagawin at palalakihin, patitibayin, i-strengthenin yung seawall, binakbak na po nila. asr-002233 01:55:58.470 --> 01:56:00.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: Sisimulan na eh, gagawin na po. asr-002234 01:56:00.630 --> 01:56:04.450 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nung gagawin na po, natigil lahat ngayon ng flood control. asr-002235 01:56:04.970 --> 01:56:05.950 Senator Joel Villanueva: So ano nangyari? asr-002236 01:56:06.350 --> 01:56:19.030 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nung binakbak, nasira lalo dahil bawal ang flood control, dahil maraming siraulong kurakot na dapat dyan. asr-002237 01:56:19.030 --> 01:56:24.990 Senator Joel Villanueva: Talagang ako, fight ako sa firing squad eh, sa mga taong ganyan eh. asr-002238 01:56:26.610 --> 01:56:28.150 Senator Joel Villanueva: Eh, hindi po ginawa. asr-002239 01:56:28.390 --> 01:56:37.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nung hindi po ginawa, hanggang ngayon ho, ilang taon na, na wala ho ni Pondo or anything, Mr. Chairman, wala ho at hindi na gagawa. asr-002240 01:56:37.830 --> 01:56:41.210 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nagsimula na rin pong kainin ng dagat yung lupa. asr-002241 01:56:41.810 --> 01:56:46.450 Senator Joel Villanueva: To cut the story short, ito hong mga barangay na ito, sa barangay Paumbong, asr-002242 01:56:47.150 --> 01:56:48.350 Senator Joel Villanueva: at barangay... asr-002243 01:56:48.350 --> 01:56:52.470 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ah, dun po sa bayan ng Paumbong, barangay Santa Cruz, barangay Masukol, asr-002244 01:56:52.890 --> 01:56:56.150 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa Hagunoy, barangay Pugat, barangay Tibagin, sa Hagunoy. asr-002245 01:56:56.730 --> 01:56:58.250 Senator Joel Villanueva: Eh, hindi na po problema nila yung ba. asr-002246 01:56:58.330 --> 01:57:02.570 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ang problema nila, mawawala na po sa mapa yung kanilang mga barangay. asr-002247 01:57:03.090 --> 01:57:06.450 Senator Joel Villanueva: There's one in barangay, Mr. Chairman, in Hagunoy, asr-002248 01:57:06.930 --> 01:57:12.310 Senator Joel Villanueva: na I have to call the attention of the DPWH Secretary because asr-002249 01:57:12.310 --> 01:57:16.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: I forgot the name of barangay. asr-002250 01:57:16.070 --> 01:57:17.270 Senator Joel Villanueva: I think Santa Cruz also. asr-002251 01:57:17.270 --> 01:57:25.230 Senator Joel Villanueva: In Hagunoy, meron naman po doon kasama doon sa problema na may kaso. asr-002252 01:57:26.370 --> 01:57:29.390 Senator Joel Villanueva: And according to them, may gate po eh, may gate. asr-002253 01:57:29.510 --> 01:57:32.350 Senator Joel Villanueva: Hindi ho magamit yung gate. Bumabaha na po. asr-002254 01:57:32.470 --> 01:57:36.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: Dahil ang sabi lang daw ay hindi po pwedeng galawin yan dahil may kaso yan. asr-002255 01:57:38.230 --> 01:57:45.410 Senator Joel Villanueva: The good thing, I don't know the real situation and ayokong makialam doon sa mga kaso-kasong ganyan asr-002256 01:57:45.410 --> 01:57:47.190 Senator Joel Villanueva: dahil ngayon pag nakialam, asr-002257 01:57:47.270 --> 01:57:48.370 Senator Joel Villanueva: kaya nadadamay ka eh. asr-002258 01:57:50.130 --> 01:57:56.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: Si Secretary Vince, nagutos right away, the next day ho, naggalaw po yung gate. asr-002259 01:57:56.550 --> 01:58:01.730 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know kung nakipag-coordinate po yata sa COA or other agencies in the government. asr-002260 01:58:01.870 --> 01:58:04.470 Senator Joel Villanueva: But thanks to Sec. Vince, naggalaw po yun. asr-002261 01:58:04.990 --> 01:58:06.310 Senator Joel Villanueva: Malaking naging ginhawa. asr-002262 01:58:06.790 --> 01:58:09.150 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kasi imagine, yung gate lang, ibababa lang po, di ba? asr-002263 01:58:10.150 --> 01:58:12.510 Senator Joel Villanueva: Dahil lang daw po may kaso, hindi po ginawa. asr-002264 01:58:12.510 --> 01:58:16.510 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, nag-suffer yung buong barangay. asr-002265 01:58:17.270 --> 01:58:19.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yun lang po yung mga maliliit na bagay na gano'n. asr-002266 01:58:19.990 --> 01:58:23.650 Senator Joel Villanueva: And I hope, ang COA naman natin, hindi naman in the box yan. asr-002267 01:58:23.750 --> 01:58:28.170 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't think yung COA natin, extremist yung mga COA auditors natin asr-002268 01:58:28.170 --> 01:58:36.490 Senator Joel Villanueva: para yung mga ganitong bagay na ito, hindi matulungan yung mga kababayan po natin. asr-002269 01:58:36.570 --> 01:58:41.750 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, yun lang po, Mr. Chairman, gusto kong ipaabot sa ating mga kasama sa COA asr-002270 01:58:41.750 --> 01:58:46.430 Senator Joel Villanueva: na malaking tulong ang kailangan ng mga kababayan natin. asr-002271 01:58:46.430 --> 01:58:50.770 Senator Joel Villanueva: Lalo na po doon sa mga apektado ng baha. asr-002272 01:58:51.530 --> 01:58:58.810 Senator Joel Villanueva: Dahil nakakasunog ang apoy, hindi na po tayo magluluto at papatayin natin sa gutom yung ating mga kababayan. asr-002273 01:58:59.130 --> 01:59:06.430 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm really not happy na wala hong flood control the past year program kahit na ito'y nararapat. asr-002274 01:59:07.370 --> 01:59:08.850 Senator Joel Villanueva: And records will bail me out. asr-002275 01:59:09.590 --> 01:59:14.650 Senator Joel Villanueva: Hindi ako sumuporta sa mga flood control programs because hindi ko nakikita na ito'y integrated asr-002276 01:59:14.650 --> 01:59:16.350 Senator Joel Villanueva: at may master plan. asr-002277 01:59:16.430 --> 01:59:17.490 Senator Joel Villanueva: That's the only reason. asr-002278 01:59:17.490 --> 01:59:25.750 Senator Joel Villanueva: And these committees in the Senate, mga senador nakasama ko at mga nakatrabaho ko, asr-002279 01:59:25.870 --> 01:59:31.450 Senator Joel Villanueva: alam po yung dahilan kung bakit ganito yung aking adhikain dito sa usapin nito. asr-002280 01:59:31.530 --> 01:59:32.510 Senator Joel Villanueva: Maraming salamat, Mr. Chair. asr-002281 01:59:33.130 --> 01:59:34.570 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator Villanueva. asr-002282 01:59:35.270 --> 01:59:41.490 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Actually, sa totoo lang, that's why we wanted also to resume the flood control projects. asr-002283 01:59:42.370 --> 01:59:43.710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: The uncompleted one, that is. asr-002284 01:59:43.710 --> 01:59:45.710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Because we have seen that... asr-002285 01:59:46.430 --> 01:59:49.170 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dito sa monsoon rains, wala pa ngang bagyo ito. asr-002286 01:59:49.710 --> 01:59:54.970 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tuloy-tuloy na ulan, lubog ang Metro Manila, lubog ang Bulacan, lubog ang Pampanga, hanggang Tarlac. asr-002287 01:59:55.770 --> 01:59:56.710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, ano eh. asr-002288 01:59:57.350 --> 01:59:59.950 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Well, iba na rin talaga yung climate change. asr-002289 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:09.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But still, we need to resume the flood-mitigating projects, especially the complete, the uncompleted. asr-002290 02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:16.940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Siguro wala namang masama roon, Chairman, di ba, as long as these projects are not found to be irregular or substandard. asr-002291 02:00:17.700 --> 02:00:27.880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I think this will be more beneficial as it would prevent the further suffering of the people in Bulacan and Pampanga and even Metro Manila and Tarlac. asr-002292 02:00:27.880 --> 02:00:35.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At least kung ma-mitigate natin, mabawasan natin yung pagbabaha, masara natin yung gaps, kasi mas masama yung may puwang eh. asr-002293 02:00:36.020 --> 02:00:38.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tubig yan. Maghahanap talaga ng papasukan yan. asr-002294 02:00:38.440 --> 02:00:42.580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tapos pinipigilan mo namang mawala yung tubig para mawala yung baha. asr-002295 02:00:42.660 --> 02:00:45.500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So parang naging ano siya. asr-002296 02:00:45.700 --> 02:00:48.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ang ano natin is to close the gaps. asr-002297 02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:55.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And also, if I would, magsimula tayo, Senator Villanueva, yung NIA and DPWH. asr-002298 02:00:55.680 --> 02:00:56.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dapat dito, asr-002299 02:00:56.220 --> 02:01:00.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in the absence of a master plan, convergence na. asr-002300 02:01:00.760 --> 02:01:04.700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And then sa taas pa lang dapat meron nang water impounding. asr-002301 02:01:05.940 --> 02:01:10.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tapos nakaano yan ng flood control, water impounding. asr-002302 02:01:10.940 --> 02:01:12.700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi pag tag-ulan, sobra-sobra ulan natin. asr-002303 02:01:13.080 --> 02:01:14.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pag tagtuyot naman, walang-wala tayo, di ba? asr-002304 02:01:15.760 --> 02:01:22.120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So I think we should change yung view, yung view eh na yung tubig hindi dapat perwisyo. asr-002305 02:01:22.240 --> 02:01:24.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dapat treated as a resource. asr-002306 02:01:24.060 --> 02:01:25.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pero gawin natin. asr-002307 02:01:26.220 --> 02:01:29.180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kailangan natin ng tamang flood water management, I think. asr-002308 02:01:29.400 --> 02:01:32.340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yun ang atin pong direksyon, di ba? asr-002309 02:01:33.140 --> 02:01:34.900 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sige, Chairperson Cordoba. asr-002310 02:01:35.060 --> 02:01:37.200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you for, salamat po sa lahat ng binanggit ninyo. asr-002311 02:01:37.740 --> 02:01:42.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po, Your Honors, if may mga kailangan po na i-cover sila DPWH, asr-002312 02:01:42.940 --> 02:01:45.280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kagaya po nung binabanggit ninyo, kasi may kaso, hindi pwedeng gawin. asr-002313 02:01:45.400 --> 02:01:51.520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Kung kailangan po, we're willing to sit down on an item per item with the DPWH. asr-002314 02:01:51.640 --> 02:01:52.560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And actually, we're doing it po. asr-002315 02:01:53.400 --> 02:01:54.860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Pagka po may mga question sila, asr-002316 02:01:54.860 --> 02:01:56.200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: tinutulungan namin sila para asr-002317 02:01:56.320 --> 02:02:04.440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: magawa po nila kahit po may mga pending na kaso, pending na mga legalities. asr-002318 02:02:04.660 --> 02:02:07.380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But importante po yung public service ay tuloy-tuloy. asr-002319 02:02:07.540 --> 02:02:08.720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Hindi po siya dapat huminto. asr-002320 02:02:08.980 --> 02:02:09.400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Salamat po. asr-002321 02:02:10.920 --> 02:02:12.060 Senator Joel Villanueva: One last issue. asr-002322 02:02:12.880 --> 02:02:17.040 Senator Joel Villanueva: If there's nothing more about the flood control program. asr-002323 02:02:17.040 --> 02:02:22.520 Senator Joel Villanueva: Tinitingnan ko lang po kasi itong COA's Technical Services and Systems Audit Subprogram asr-002324 02:02:23.280 --> 02:02:26.080 Senator Joel Villanueva: that targets only 18 ISIT audit or asr-002325 02:02:26.200 --> 02:02:37.520 Senator Joel Villanueva: evaluation reports in 2027. Is that level of coverage sufficient given government's accelerating digitalization asr-002326 02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:41.800 Senator Joel Villanueva: and growing cybersecurity and information system risk? asr-002327 02:02:42.920 --> 02:02:49.680 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nakita ko lang ho yung 2027 target, 18 ISIT audit or evaluation reports. asr-002328 02:02:51.920 --> 02:02:52.980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Sandali lang po. asr-002329 02:02:53.160 --> 02:02:53.960 Senator Joel Villanueva: Sige, please. asr-002330 02:02:53.960 --> 02:02:54.960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, sorry. asr-002331 02:02:57.640 --> 02:03:06.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: We just want to be clarified on this, how it prioritizes systems for audit and whether existing personnel asr-002332 02:03:06.600 --> 02:03:14.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: and technology ay sufficient po dito to cover yung high-risk government information systems? asr-002333 02:03:15.060 --> 02:03:18.280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you for the question, Mr. Chair, Sen. Villanueva. asr-002334 02:03:18.720 --> 02:03:21.860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Si Ascom Isidro po ang sasagot po. asr-002335 02:03:22.440 --> 02:03:22.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you. asr-002336 02:03:22.760 --> 02:03:26.500 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Sen. Villanueva. asr-002337 02:03:26.500 --> 02:03:27.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Please proceed. asr-002338 02:03:27.640 --> 02:03:54.350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: We have an office called the Internal Information Technology Audit Office under the Systems and Technical Services sector that does the IS audit and IT technical evaluation of procurement contracts and other contracts. asr-002339 02:03:54.350 --> 02:03:59.710 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: At present, we have only 64 warm bodies. asr-002340 02:04:00.550 --> 02:04:12.910 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: But ideally, the office needs 164 manpower with an existing approved plantelia of 81 plantelia positions. asr-002341 02:04:12.910 --> 02:04:29.510 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: And these 64 warm bodies consist of auditors and administrative personnel, including... asr-002342 02:04:29.510 --> 02:04:31.510 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: We also have... asr-002343 02:04:32.150 --> 02:04:34.410 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Certified Information Systems Auditor. asr-002344 02:04:35.510 --> 02:04:51.190 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: We have Public Procurement Specialist, Certified Fraud Examiner, Certified Public Accountants, and other disciplines consisting the office. asr-002345 02:04:51.190 --> 02:04:59.410 Senator Joel Villanueva: So ito, magandang problema yata ito, kasi you have 64 but you have 81 available. asr-002346 02:05:00.470 --> 02:05:02.030 Senator Joel Villanueva: Tama ba yung pagkakaintindi ko, ma?am? asr-002347 02:05:02.150 --> 02:05:02.370 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Yes po. asr-002348 02:05:02.930 --> 02:05:03.430 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Yes po. asr-002349 02:05:03.430 --> 02:05:04.530 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Per our record, ma?am. asr-002350 02:05:04.530 --> 02:05:09.790 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pero hindi ninyo ma-fill up at the same problem that you are talking about? asr-002351 02:05:10.690 --> 02:05:18.090 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: For the Information Systems Auditors, there is a certain criteria that need to be satisfied. asr-002352 02:05:18.390 --> 02:05:20.130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Like, they need to be... asr-002353 02:05:20.130 --> 02:05:23.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm sure. I was the head of agency before. asr-002354 02:05:23.530 --> 02:05:26.150 Senator Joel Villanueva: So hindi ma-satisfy yun, kaya hindi ma-fill up? asr-002355 02:05:26.810 --> 02:05:29.190 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: At present po, hindi po ma-satisfy po. asr-002356 02:05:29.670 --> 02:05:31.990 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yun yung dahilan kung bakit asr-002357 02:05:31.990 --> 02:05:34.110 Senator Joel Villanueva: ko tinatanong yung questions ko kanina. asr-002358 02:05:34.110 --> 02:05:38.430 Senator Joel Villanueva: Is there a way that we can somehow adjust? asr-002359 02:05:39.430 --> 02:05:41.250 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yun talaga kasi yung kailangan? asr-002360 02:05:41.890 --> 02:05:44.690 Senator Joel Villanueva: At wala talaga tayong makikita? asr-002361 02:05:45.070 --> 02:05:47.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: Hahanap ba tayo sa Milky Way Galaxy? asr-002362 02:05:49.010 --> 02:05:50.950 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mag-train tayo sa TESDA? asr-002363 02:05:52.810 --> 02:05:56.950 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Your Honor, it's really... asr-002364 02:05:58.030 --> 02:05:58.950 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: We are... asr-002365 02:05:58.950 --> 02:05:59.270 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: We are... asr-002366 02:05:59.270 --> 02:06:07.250 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Dependent po kasi talagang sa compliance ng administrative rules ng civil service. asr-002367 02:06:07.730 --> 02:06:13.210 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, kaya nga po kasi nasa standardization law po kami under. asr-002368 02:06:13.670 --> 02:06:18.130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, we really need to follow yung system ranking oppositions. asr-002369 02:06:18.990 --> 02:06:20.710 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, hindi po kami ka... asr-002370 02:06:20.710 --> 02:06:23.150 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yung higher levels po kasi, for example, asr-002371 02:06:23.750 --> 02:06:26.350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: as yung entry level is so low, asr-002372 02:06:26.350 --> 02:06:28.310 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: pero you cannot hire po. asr-002373 02:06:29.270 --> 02:06:38.430 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Maglulundag ka ng salary grades kasi that is against dun sa administrative rules po ng civil service. asr-002374 02:06:38.430 --> 02:06:46.190 Senator Joel Villanueva: And that will be addressed dun sa binabanggit ni Chairman na panukalang batas na ipupush po namin. asr-002375 02:06:46.370 --> 02:06:46.830 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yes po. asr-002376 02:06:47.030 --> 02:06:48.550 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: If we are to be exempted sa standardization. asr-002377 02:06:48.550 --> 02:06:54.630 Senator Joel Villanueva: Because otherwise, kahit ilang Pasko yung dumating, hindi ninyo ma-fill up-an. asr-002378 02:06:54.890 --> 02:06:57.990 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yes, even po na meron ka talagang qualified. asr-002379 02:06:57.990 --> 02:06:58.990 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yan yung mga hinaharap. asr-002380 02:06:59.270 --> 02:07:04.790 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: At the bottom, hindi ko po makakapag more than three salary grades. asr-002381 02:07:04.790 --> 02:07:07.290 Senator Joel Villanueva: I got that. I know where you're coming from. asr-002382 02:07:07.470 --> 02:07:10.930 Senator Joel Villanueva: I experienced that personally when I was with TESDA. asr-002383 02:07:11.470 --> 02:07:12.570 Senator Joel Villanueva: Anyway, one last. asr-002384 02:07:14.050 --> 02:07:20.310 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung financial management, nakita ko lang COA's own 2025 audit. asr-002385 02:07:20.710 --> 02:07:25.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: You identified accounting deficiencies involving approximately 5.1 billion pesos. asr-002386 02:07:25.870 --> 02:07:28.870 Senator Joel Villanueva: What accounts for the scale of... asr-002387 02:07:29.270 --> 02:07:32.710 Senator Joel Villanueva: of these deficiencies, and what corrective measures? asr-002388 02:07:33.010 --> 02:07:39.530 Senator Joel Villanueva: May independent audit eh, in-identify various accounting deficiencies totaling 5.1 billion. asr-002389 02:07:40.550 --> 02:07:46.130 Senator Joel Villanueva: The amount does not by itself mean funds siguro that were lost or misused. asr-002390 02:07:46.670 --> 02:07:53.050 Senator Joel Villanueva: But it is significant enough to perhaps get an explanation what this is. asr-002391 02:08:06.230 --> 02:08:09.030 Senator Joel Villanueva: I got this from our LBRMO. asr-002392 02:08:10.250 --> 02:08:15.450 Senator Joel Villanueva: Sa page 17, number 4. asr-002393 02:08:15.790 --> 02:08:24.250 Senator Joel Villanueva: Various accounting deficiencies noted amounted to 5.101 billion as at year-end. asr-002394 02:08:27.390 --> 02:08:29.830 Senator Joel Villanueva: LBRMO. Dito po, sa Senado po ito. asr-002395 02:08:30.930 --> 02:08:34.430 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kaya nung nakita ko, sabi ko i-raise ko ito eh. asr-002396 02:08:34.490 --> 02:08:35.410 Senator Joel Villanueva: You're not aware of this? asr-002397 02:08:35.590 --> 02:08:36.330 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Hindi po, your honor. asr-002398 02:08:37.250 --> 02:08:37.690 Senator Joel Villanueva: Okay. asr-002399 02:08:38.890 --> 02:08:39.490 Senator Joel Villanueva: Okay, I'll set it. asr-002400 02:08:40.250 --> 02:08:50.660 Senator Joel Villanueva: This is part of the audit report ng COA. asr-002401 02:08:55.060 --> 02:08:57.880 Senator Joel Villanueva: Audit observation number 4. asr-002402 02:08:58.520 --> 02:09:01.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: But anyway, I will just furnish a copy nito. asr-002403 02:09:02.400 --> 02:09:02.740 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. asr-002404 02:09:02.760 --> 02:09:07.520 Senator Joel Villanueva: Just wanted to make sure that we'll be able to clarify this. asr-002405 02:09:07.620 --> 02:09:09.940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kasi nagulat lang ako dun sa 5 billion eh. asr-002406 02:09:10.160 --> 02:09:14.820 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm sure wala namang meaning where they're... asr-002407 02:09:14.820 --> 02:09:18.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: May misuse or loss of funds. asr-002408 02:09:18.240 --> 02:09:21.180 Senator Joel Villanueva: It's just that I think we need to explain this further asr-002409 02:09:21.180 --> 02:09:25.860 Senator Joel Villanueva: para lang maset natin yung high standards ng COA. asr-002410 02:09:26.300 --> 02:09:27.200 Senator Joel Villanueva: Salamat, Mr. Chairman. asr-002411 02:09:27.320 --> 02:09:28.060 Senator Joel Villanueva: That will be all. asr-002412 02:09:28.280 --> 02:09:32.700 Senator Joel Villanueva: And again, let me put on record my sincerest thanks and gratitude asr-002413 02:09:32.700 --> 02:09:38.300 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the men and women of COA for your service. asr-002414 02:09:39.040 --> 02:09:42.740 Senator Joel Villanueva: And most of all, I'd like to put on record my full support asr-002415 02:09:42.740 --> 02:09:43.700 Senator Joel Villanueva: for the... asr-002416 02:09:44.820 --> 02:09:50.840 Senator Joel Villanueva: approval of this briefing so that we can proceed asr-002417 02:09:50.840 --> 02:09:55.600 Senator Joel Villanueva: for plenary action of their budget, Mr. Chairman. asr-002418 02:09:55.740 --> 02:09:56.100 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. asr-002419 02:09:56.460 --> 02:09:58.680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator Villanueva, for your support asr-002420 02:09:58.680 --> 02:10:03.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to our Commission on Audit. asr-002421 02:10:04.240 --> 02:10:06.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Alam mo, ang hirap ng Commission on Audit, asr-002422 02:10:06.700 --> 02:10:09.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ang tingin sa mga auditor, madalas, kontrabida eh. asr-002423 02:10:10.340 --> 02:10:12.320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Parang pag nakikita ito, lalo ng mga LG, asr-002424 02:10:12.400 --> 02:10:13.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: nako, ito na naman ito, mga kontrabida. asr-002425 02:10:13.980 --> 02:10:14.660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But you know, this... asr-002426 02:10:14.820 --> 02:10:18.460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Auditors, state auditors, provide the checks and balances. asr-002427 02:10:19.180 --> 02:10:22.840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Make sure that money is well spent in government, diba? asr-002428 02:10:22.940 --> 02:10:25.340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kaya kailangan namin kayo dito, especially in our... asr-002429 02:10:25.340 --> 02:10:31.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in our trust to bring back the confidence of people in government, no? asr-002430 02:10:31.380 --> 02:10:34.280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Na napakalaking bagay, lalo na dito sa ating budgeting. asr-002431 02:10:35.500 --> 02:10:38.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Before we end, I would like to ask some questions from our... asr-002432 02:10:38.860 --> 02:10:42.660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kasi iniinvolve namin yung civil society organizations, no? asr-002433 02:10:43.980 --> 02:10:44.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So that... asr-002434 02:10:44.820 --> 02:10:48.100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ito mga watchdogs can help us because we cannot... asr-002435 02:10:48.100 --> 02:10:53.100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sabi ko, it's humanly impossible for us to appreciate everything asr-002436 02:10:53.100 --> 02:10:55.960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in so short a time during the budget season, no? asr-002437 02:10:57.180 --> 02:11:01.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Gabundok yung ibang volumes yun na pinapadala, line items. asr-002438 02:11:01.460 --> 02:11:05.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So we are involving the civil society organizations, watchdogs, asr-002439 02:11:05.300 --> 02:11:06.340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and everybody else. asr-002440 02:11:06.820 --> 02:11:10.020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pag may nakita sila na irregular, to let us know asr-002441 02:11:10.020 --> 02:11:12.460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so that we can already confront the agencies, no? asr-002442 02:11:12.540 --> 02:11:14.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ito po, from the CSO, asr-002443 02:11:14.820 --> 02:11:17.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: naging concerned po ng maraming CSOs and groups asr-002444 02:11:17.640 --> 02:11:20.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: na nagmo-monitor ng budget process sa mga nakaraang taon asr-002445 02:11:20.600 --> 02:11:24.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ang delays ng publication ng COA's annual audit reports, asr-002446 02:11:25.320 --> 02:11:28.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: particularly for the fiscal year 2023 asr-002447 02:11:28.240 --> 02:11:31.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: at sa ibang agency sa fiscal year 2024. asr-002448 02:11:32.280 --> 02:11:36.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: To address this under Section 107 of the 2026 GAA asr-002449 02:11:36.380 --> 02:11:42.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sets an October 31 deadline for the publication of annual audit reports. asr-002450 02:11:42.620 --> 02:11:44.180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang tanong, kumusta po ang asr-002451 02:11:44.820 --> 02:11:47.620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: implementation nito? Have all fiscal year 2024 asr-002452 02:11:47.620 --> 02:11:51.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: annual audit reports already been published on your website? asr-002453 02:11:52.580 --> 02:11:54.860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Published na po. Okay. Complete. asr-002454 02:11:55.540 --> 02:11:59.500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ito pong, is it on track to make all 2025 naman po asr-002455 02:11:59.500 --> 02:12:01.840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: audit reports available by October 31. asr-002456 02:12:02.620 --> 02:12:04.140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, so ongoing. asr-002457 02:12:04.620 --> 02:12:06.200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Idagdag ko lang po, Mr. Chair. asr-002458 02:12:06.200 --> 02:12:12.840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Kasi nung 2023 for 2024, nakalagay po kasi sa GAA na December, asr-002459 02:12:13.620 --> 02:12:14.640 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: end of December po. asr-002460 02:12:14.820 --> 02:12:16.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Last day. Kaya po, na-delay din talaga. asr-002461 02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:18.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ngayon, October 31 na? asr-002462 02:12:18.220 --> 02:12:19.260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: October 31 na po. asr-002463 02:12:19.860 --> 02:12:22.660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sa follow-up, Chairman, would it be feasible for COA asr-002464 02:12:22.660 --> 02:12:25.100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to publish the annual audit reports earlier? asr-002465 02:12:25.700 --> 02:12:27.480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang request nila, July 30, asr-002466 02:12:27.580 --> 02:12:32.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so that Congress will have sufficient time to consider the audit findings. asr-002467 02:12:33.180 --> 02:12:37.400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi during the budget process, wala pa yung ano nyo, October 31. asr-002468 02:12:37.620 --> 02:12:40.560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, ang ano lang nila, kung kaya yung July 31, asr-002469 02:12:40.760 --> 02:12:44.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para po meron silang time to consider the audit findings. asr-002470 02:12:44.820 --> 02:12:47.460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: During the budget process, is it feasible? asr-002471 02:12:49.460 --> 02:12:56.360 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Sir, pursuant to Section 107 of the GAA 2027, asr-002472 02:12:56.360 --> 02:13:01.940 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: may requirement kasi po, upon the receipt of the annual audit report asr-002473 02:13:01.940 --> 02:13:06.840 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: by the audited agency, required sila to submit the status of actions taken asr-002474 02:13:06.840 --> 02:13:09.360 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: on the audit observations and memorandum. asr-002475 02:13:09.740 --> 02:13:14.360 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So within 60 days, isasabit nila yan doon sa COA for asr-002476 02:13:14.820 --> 02:13:17.960 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for the publication together with the annual audit report. asr-002477 02:13:18.120 --> 02:13:23.160 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So, June 30 ang deadline of the transmittal plus 60. asr-002478 02:13:23.880 --> 02:13:26.380 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So, talagang, tapos gagawin pa yan ng COA, asr-002479 02:13:26.940 --> 02:13:29.060 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: iko-confirm pa yan, i-evaluate. asr-002480 02:13:29.800 --> 02:13:32.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, talagang October 31? asr-002481 02:13:33.920 --> 02:13:34.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sige, Chairman. asr-002482 02:13:34.840 --> 02:13:36.760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ang ginagawa naman po namin, as soon as matapos, asr-002483 02:13:36.760 --> 02:13:37.960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kasi hindi naman po sabay-sabay, asr-002484 02:13:38.380 --> 02:13:43.680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: as soon as matapos, pinapadala po namin agad sa inyo pong office. asr-002485 02:13:43.680 --> 02:13:44.780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, may mga hard copies po. asr-002486 02:13:44.820 --> 02:13:45.880 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, pinapauna na po namin. asr-002487 02:13:45.880 --> 02:13:48.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: That would help a lot, especially during the budget process. asr-002488 02:13:48.540 --> 02:13:49.540 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Pinapadala po namin agad. asr-002489 02:13:49.640 --> 02:13:51.420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Basta po matapos, hindi lang po sabay-sabay. asr-002490 02:13:52.040 --> 02:13:53.040 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: As it comes lang po. asr-002491 02:13:54.920 --> 02:13:55.260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We sent it to... asr-002492 02:13:55.260 --> 02:13:58.040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kinaaano kasi nila concerning availability raw sa public. asr-002493 02:13:58.220 --> 02:14:02.700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, if we can make it earlier nalang siguro, the earliest possible time. asr-002494 02:14:02.740 --> 02:14:03.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yung kaya lang naman po. asr-002495 02:14:05.200 --> 02:14:08.600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA describes the citizen participatory audit as a mechanism asr-002496 02:14:08.600 --> 02:14:12.440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that brings citizens and civil society organizations into the audit process. asr-002497 02:14:12.940 --> 02:14:14.440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Nagamit na rin ito natin. asr-002498 02:14:14.820 --> 02:14:21.700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: In previous audits, including in relation to the flood control master plan sa Kamanawa area. asr-002499 02:14:21.840 --> 02:14:29.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: For 2027, COA requested 40.7 million for CPA requirements under Tier 2, asr-002500 02:14:29.140 --> 02:14:32.380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: but this was not included in the NEP. asr-002501 02:14:33.100 --> 02:14:36.260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, on follow-up, we have also received reports that in the past engagements, asr-002502 02:14:36.480 --> 02:14:41.740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that citizen partners may be receiving only 250 pesos in logistical support. asr-002503 02:14:41.740 --> 02:14:44.060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Can COA confirm whether this is accurate? asr-002504 02:14:44.240 --> 02:14:44.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Is that 250? asr-002505 02:14:44.980 --> 02:14:48.960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Provided per day, proactively, or to the entire audit engagement? asr-002506 02:14:49.980 --> 02:14:51.700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Na-increase na po yan, Your Honor. asr-002507 02:14:51.800 --> 02:14:53.960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But actually nga po, nasimulan na po namin yan. asr-002508 02:14:54.040 --> 02:14:55.460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yan po binabanggit ko sa inyo kanina, asr-002509 02:14:56.100 --> 02:14:59.740 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: na one of the observations po na nakita doon sa citizen participatory asr-002510 02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:02.020 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: audit asr-002511 02:15:02.140 --> 02:15:04.160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ayun pong wala pong master plan. asr-002512 02:15:04.880 --> 02:15:06.080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, actually po, asr-002513 02:15:06.120 --> 02:15:08.040 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: malaking bagay po yan because para po siyang asr-002514 02:15:08.040 --> 02:15:10.240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: aming multiplier po ng tao asr-002515 02:15:10.240 --> 02:15:12.160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and there would be people asr-002516 02:15:12.160 --> 02:15:13.860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: on the ground na makakatulong po sa amin. asr-002517 02:15:13.980 --> 02:15:16.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But hindi po lang sinama asr-002518 02:15:16.000 --> 02:15:18.260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: this year, ah, for next year. asr-002519 02:15:18.820 --> 02:15:20.280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But, tuloy-tuloy asr-002520 02:15:20.280 --> 02:15:20.800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: naman po kami. asr-002521 02:15:22.380 --> 02:15:23.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kung hindi po ma-restore yung asr-002522 02:15:23.640 --> 02:15:26.000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 40 million, 40.7 million asr-002523 02:15:26.000 --> 02:15:28.240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa mga planned CPA engagements ang mababawasan, asr-002524 02:15:28.240 --> 02:15:29.700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: maantala, or hindi matutuloy? asr-002525 02:15:30.000 --> 02:15:31.300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ah, sige. asr-002526 02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:33.700 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Hindi naman po, sir. We will asr-002527 02:15:33.700 --> 02:15:35.800 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: get that from our regular asr-002528 02:15:35.800 --> 02:15:37.780 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: MOOE. Kaya medyo asr-002529 02:15:37.780 --> 02:15:39.740 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: malaki. Especially this asr-002530 02:15:39.740 --> 02:15:41.600 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: year, we already disbursed asr-002531 02:15:41.600 --> 02:15:43.540 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 10 million for the CPA asr-002532 02:15:43.540 --> 02:15:44.880 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: all over the regions. asr-002533 02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:49.800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, paano po pinipili? asr-002534 02:15:49.860 --> 02:15:51.220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Last na po ito sa mga civil, asr-002535 02:15:51.440 --> 02:15:53.520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: from the CSOs. Paano po pinipili ng COA asr-002536 02:15:53.520 --> 02:15:55.540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ang civil society partners nito asr-002537 02:15:55.540 --> 02:15:57.460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: at ano ang safeguards para asr-002538 02:15:57.460 --> 02:15:59.200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: masiguro na hindi maapektuhan ang asr-002539 02:15:59.200 --> 02:16:01.100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: independence and integrity asr-002540 02:16:01.100 --> 02:16:01.640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of audit? asr-002541 02:16:01.920 --> 02:16:03.980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually, there's an office asr-002542 02:16:03.980 --> 02:16:05.940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: in the COA that asr-002543 02:16:05.940 --> 02:16:07.420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: does this po, ano, asr-002544 02:16:08.500 --> 02:16:10.000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: invitation po. asr-002545 02:16:10.600 --> 02:16:11.900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And, actually po, asr-002546 02:16:12.020 --> 02:16:13.720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang may mga, asr-002547 02:16:13.840 --> 02:16:15.720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: meron naman po yan mga, what's this, asr-002548 02:16:15.780 --> 02:16:17.560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: criteria, and then asr-002549 02:16:17.560 --> 02:16:19.480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: in coordination naman po yan with asr-002550 02:16:19.480 --> 02:16:22.240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the NGOs asr-002551 02:16:22.240 --> 02:16:22.960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and asr-002552 02:16:22.960 --> 02:16:25.440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: yung pong mga asr-002553 02:16:25.440 --> 02:16:28.280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: civil society groups po. asr-002554 02:16:28.460 --> 02:16:29.380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Nagpapatulong po kami. asr-002555 02:16:29.380 --> 02:16:31.220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually nga po, ang isang inisip namin asr-002556 02:16:31.220 --> 02:16:31.840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: would be, asr-002557 02:16:31.920 --> 02:16:33.160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: through the CBCP po. asr-002558 02:16:34.080 --> 02:16:34.400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Jonas. asr-002559 02:16:37.830 --> 02:16:39.430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, so that's about it. asr-002560 02:16:39.530 --> 02:16:41.910 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Since there's no more queries asr-002561 02:16:41.910 --> 02:16:42.910 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: from our colleagues, asr-002562 02:16:45.270 --> 02:16:46.110 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: siguro, asr-002563 02:16:46.250 --> 02:16:47.870 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I'll solicit a motion from my asr-002564 02:16:47.870 --> 02:16:49.430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: colleague to asr-002565 02:16:49.430 --> 02:16:52.130 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: have the budget of the commission asr-002566 02:16:52.130 --> 02:16:53.610 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: audit be submitted. asr-002567 02:16:54.470 --> 02:16:56.090 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yes, Mr. Chairman, at this asr-002568 02:16:56.090 --> 02:16:58.070 Senator Joel Villanueva: juncture, again, let me reiterate my asr-002569 02:16:58.070 --> 02:17:00.210 Senator Joel Villanueva: full support to the budget of asr-002570 02:17:00.210 --> 02:17:01.250 Senator Joel Villanueva: COA asr-002571 02:17:01.250 --> 02:17:03.690 Senator Joel Villanueva: with the caveat of asr-002572 02:17:04.450 --> 02:17:08.790 Senator Joel Villanueva: moving also if they need asr-002573 02:17:08.790 --> 02:17:10.630 Senator Joel Villanueva: additional assistance, but then asr-002574 02:17:10.630 --> 02:17:13.010 Senator Joel Villanueva: I can see a lot of asr-002575 02:17:13.010 --> 02:17:15.030 Senator Joel Villanueva: challenges that they asr-002576 02:17:15.030 --> 02:17:16.750 Senator Joel Villanueva: are facing and it will also be asr-002577 02:17:16.750 --> 02:17:17.650 Senator Joel Villanueva: addressed by asr-002578 02:17:17.650 --> 02:17:20.690 Senator Joel Villanueva: exempting them from asr-002579 02:17:20.690 --> 02:17:22.910 Senator Joel Villanueva: salary standardization. So with that, asr-002580 02:17:22.970 --> 02:17:24.630 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman, I move that we asr-002581 02:17:24.630 --> 02:17:27.010 Senator Joel Villanueva: consider the budget of asr-002582 02:17:27.010 --> 02:17:28.230 Senator Joel Villanueva: COA asr-002583 02:17:28.230 --> 02:17:30.810 Senator Joel Villanueva: for approval for plenary action. asr-002584 02:17:31.130 --> 02:17:32.230 Senator Joel Villanueva: I so move, Mr. Chair. asr-002585 02:17:32.570 --> 02:17:33.690 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you. So, asr-002586 02:17:34.450 --> 02:17:36.310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: there's a motion by asr-002587 02:17:36.310 --> 02:17:37.610 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Senator Villanueva asr-002588 02:17:37.610 --> 02:17:40.670 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for the budget of the commission audit asr-002589 02:17:40.670 --> 02:17:42.570 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to be submitted for the plenary asr-002590 02:17:42.570 --> 02:17:44.750 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: consideration subject to asr-002591 02:17:44.750 --> 02:17:46.890 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: discussion and submission of documents requested. asr-002592 02:17:47.690 --> 02:17:48.890 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, since there's no objection, asr-002593 02:17:49.570 --> 02:17:50.630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: it is hereby approved. And the asr-002594 02:17:50.630 --> 02:17:52.730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: committee chair would like to thank everyone, especially asr-002595 02:17:52.730 --> 02:17:54.330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: our esteemed resource persons, asr-002596 02:17:54.910 --> 02:17:56.770 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Chairman Gamaliel Cordoba, asr-002597 02:17:56.970 --> 02:17:58.490 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: our assistant commissioners, asr-002598 02:17:58.590 --> 02:18:00.530 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the whole COA family. asr-002599 02:18:01.430 --> 02:18:02.430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Minsan, okay lang maging, asr-002600 02:18:02.850 --> 02:18:04.430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kailangan din ang kontrabida sa buong asr-002601 02:18:04.450 --> 02:18:06.190 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: buhay. Yan ang asr-002602 02:18:06.190 --> 02:18:08.250 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: check and balance asr-002603 02:18:08.250 --> 02:18:10.330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ng ating pong gobyerno at nagpapanatiling asr-002604 02:18:10.330 --> 02:18:11.870 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: malinis ating gobyerno. asr-002605 02:18:12.250 --> 02:18:12.930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Huwag na sobrang. asr-002606 02:18:14.290 --> 02:18:16.030 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: This briefing is hereby suspended. asr-002607 02:18:16.190 --> 02:18:18.270 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, gentlemen and ladies asr-002608 02:18:18.270 --> 02:18:20.670 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of COA. Thank you. Maraming salamat po.