1 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:21,560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: The expenditure program of the Commission on Audit is hereby called to order. 2 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I would like to acknowledge the presence of Senator Migz Zubiri. 3 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:28,180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Our Majority Leader is here at the back. 4 00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:29,840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: He'll be joining us in a while. 5 00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:37,640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At this juncture, let me direct the Committee Secretary to acknowledge our resource person. 6 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes, our Majority Leader is present for the day. 7 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,880 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I'm here to give my full support to the budget of the COA. 8 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,160 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: More power to you, ladies and gentlemen. 9 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,300 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: I think we should give them all the budgetary support that they need, Your Honor. 10 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,860 Senator Juan Miguel "Migz" F. Zubiri: Whatever they need, you have my vote for the additional budget. 11 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:55,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator. 12 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, our Majority Leader. 13 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you for the support. 14 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:04,420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At this juncture, again, I'd like to direct the Committee Secretary to acknowledge the resource persons present for the day. 15 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,200 Committee Secretary: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 16 00:28:06,260 --> 00:28:06,780 Committee Secretary: Good afternoon. 17 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:12,140 Committee Secretary: For the briefing on the proposed FY2027 budget of the Commission on Audit or COA, 18 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,640 Committee Secretary: we would like to acknowledge our resource persons. 19 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,800 Committee Secretary: From the Commission on Audit, 20 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,200 Committee Secretary: we have Chairperson Gamaliel Cordova, 21 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,020 Committee Secretary: Commissioner Douglas Michael Malilin, 22 00:28:21,180 --> 00:28:23,300 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Alexander Juliano, 23 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,700 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Nilda Plaras, 24 00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:28,020 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Martha Rosana Sese, 25 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,460 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabotchan, 26 00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:32,700 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Roy Ursal, 27 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,220 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Joel Estolatan, 28 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,400 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Lito Martin, 29 00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:40,080 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Brasilo Sabaldan, 30 00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:42,640 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Lucilas Isidro, 31 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,860 Committee Secretary: Assistant Commissioner Sofia Guimora, 32 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:45,640 Committee Secretary: and Assistant Commissioner Estela Mercado. 33 00:28:45,800 --> 00:29:02,940 Committee Secretary: From the Department of Budget and Management, we have Director Elena Regina Brillantes, Ms. Siti Nor Ayma Dimapanat, Ms. Patricia Arabella Villamin, Ms. Christine Love Morales, Ms. Najla Marie Kawaling, and Mr. Clarence Ivar Odsinada. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 34 00:29:02,940 --> 00:29:18,020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, our Committee Secretary. At this juncture, the Chair would like to give his opening statement. Today, we take up the proposed 2027 budget of the Commission Audit, our Constitutional Guardian of Public Funds. 35 00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:32,840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At a time when public confidence in government spending is being tested, COA must be equipped to detect wrongdoing early, verify that projects exist, and work as intended. 36 00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:46,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And hold accountable those who misuse public money. We also want to recognize the men and women of COA who carry out this difficult mandate every day. Their work is often difficult, technical, and done away from public attention. 37 00:29:47,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Audit observations and notices of disallowance are not always well received, but are part of the checks and balances that protect public funds. Government agencies should see them not as an attack, but as 38 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: an opportunity to explain, correct deficiencies, strengthen internal controls, and improve 39 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the use of public funds. 40 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We want to know whether the funding level under 2027 NEP is enough for the job we expect 41 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA to perform. 42 00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:20,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We will look closely at your capacity for fraud and performance audits, field inspections, 43 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:28,200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: information system audits, citizen participation, staffing, and the timely resolution of audit 44 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:28,660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: findings. 45 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:31,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At the same time, accountability must begin at home. 46 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA itself must meet the same standards of sound financial management, transparency, 47 00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:40,140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and internal control that it requires from every government agency. 48 00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:42,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Our objective is simple. 49 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:48,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Every peso we provide to COA should help protect many more pesos from waste, irregularity, 50 00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:49,980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and corruption. 51 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At this point, since our colleagues are not yet here, we'll just ask them for their 52 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: manifestations and their queries later. 53 00:30:58,660 --> 00:31:06,720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, may we request the Commission on Audit to brief us on the proposed fiscal year 2027 54 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: National Expenditure Program. 55 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:14,200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I ask the indulgence of the others to allow the Commission to present and complete their 56 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:14,680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: presentation. 57 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes, Chairman Gamaliel Cordoba, you now have the floor. 58 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Opo. Good afternoon to the Honorable Chairperson of the Committee on Finance, Senator JV 59 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ejercito, and to the personnel and officials of 60 00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:31,160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the Committee on Finance of the Senate. 61 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you very much for having us this afternoon. 62 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:44,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: May I ask Nilda Plaras to present the details of our budget. 63 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you very much. 64 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:51,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes, Assistant Commissioner Nilda Plaras, you now have the floor for the presentation. 65 00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:56,480 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Good afternoon, Chairperson of the Committee on Finance. 66 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,620 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Good afternoon, everyone. 67 00:31:57,620 --> 00:32:00,520 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: My fellow COAns and public servants. 68 00:32:02,140 --> 00:32:09,500 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: At this point, I will present to you the major accomplishments of the Commission on Audit 69 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:19,340 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for fiscal year 2025 and first semester of fiscal year 2026, as well as the budget of 70 00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:23,220 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: the Commission on Audit for fiscal year 2027. 71 00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:28,250 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Under the financial performance. 72 00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:55,120 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As of December 31, 2025, the Commission on Audit received a total allotment of $15.1 billion, and out of this total allotment, 97.36%, or $14.7 billion, was obligated. 73 00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:21,740 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And out of this total obligations incurred of $14.7 billion, 97.33%, or $14.3 billion, was disbursed, resulting to the balances of unobligated allotment of $398 million, and unpaid obligations of $392 million. 74 00:33:21,740 --> 00:33:47,950 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the first semester of fiscal year 2026, COA has an allotment, a total allotment of $15.7 billion, and out of this $15.7 billion, 51.06%, or $8 billion, was obligated. 75 00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:52,950 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And out of this total obligations incurred, 97.3%. 76 00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:58,610 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And out of this total obligations incurred, 97.45%, or $7.8 billion, was disbursed. 77 00:33:59,210 --> 00:34:06,830 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Excuse me, Assistant Commissioner. Our Blue Ribbon Chair, Senator Erwin Tulfo, has joined us. 78 00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:09,410 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, sir, for joining us. Please continue. 79 00:34:09,730 --> 00:34:10,650 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Good afternoon, sir. 80 00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:22,130 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to our fiscal performance under the government auditing program, the COA was able to transmit to the audited agencies, 81 00:34:22,130 --> 00:34:24,590 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: the following reports. 82 00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:40,610 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For fiscal year 2025, 2,663 annual audit reports, 43 fraud audit reports, 10 special audit reports, and 3 performance audit reports. 83 00:34:40,610 --> 00:34:50,350 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the first semester of fiscal year 2026, 2,605 annual audit reports, 10 fraud audit reports, 84 00:34:50,350 --> 00:34:56,210 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 4 special audit reports, and 3 performance audit reports. 85 00:34:56,690 --> 00:35:05,380 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Still under the government auditing program, COA was able to publish in our COA website, 86 00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:10,420 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: the annual audit reports for fiscal year 2025. 87 00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:16,480 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: There were 2,255 annual audit reports. 88 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,460 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the first semester of fiscal year 2026, none. 89 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:22,480 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Since the... 90 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:31,120 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: The deadline of the transmittal of our annual audit reports to the audited agency was June 30. 91 00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:45,500 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And within 60 days from receipt of the COA annual audit report, the audit agencies are required to submit the status report on the actions taken on the audit observations and recommendations. 92 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:52,460 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And this status report shall be published together with the annual audit reports. 93 00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:57,780 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: until October 31 of the year. 94 00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:11,960 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the government accountancy program, COA was able to submit reports to the Office of the President, House of Representatives, and Senate. 95 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,960 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For 2025, we submitted... 96 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,960 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 2025 and 2026, we were able to transmit annual reports. 97 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:27,300 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the report of appropriations, allotments, obligations, and disbursements. 98 00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:38,540 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the annual financial reports of local government, national government, and government corporations, we submitted for fiscal year 2025. 99 00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:44,400 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For 2026, our deadline for submission will be on September 30. 100 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:52,840 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the government accountancy program, COA was able to issue... 101 00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:58,000 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Two circular, COA circulars for fiscal year 2025. 102 00:36:58,660 --> 00:37:04,700 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Two COA circulars for the first semester of first fiscal year 2026. 103 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:19,720 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the agency users trained and assisted, for fiscal year 2025, we were able to train 3,817 users. 104 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:23,720 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And for the first semester of fiscal year 2026, 105 00:37:24,460 --> 00:37:29,320 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: we were able to train 2,148 agency users. 106 00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:33,060 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: As to the government financial adjudication program, 107 00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:34,040 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for fiscal year 2025, 108 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:43,600 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: there were 811 cases decided by the Commission proper, 109 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,480 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 587 cases by the national government audit sector, 110 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,600 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 188 cases for the corporate government audit sector, 111 00:37:53,600 --> 00:38:02,560 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: and 571 cases for the local government audit sector. For the first semester 112 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:12,600 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: of fiscal year 2026, 448 cases were decided by the Commission proper, 116 cases by the national 113 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:21,120 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: government audit sector, 42 by the corporate government audit sector, and 224 cases for the 114 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:30,720 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: local government sector. As to our budget under the fiscal year 2027 national expenditure program, 115 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:43,100 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: we have as approved under the NEP of $16,046,527,000 to be exact. 116 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:52,500 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And this consists of the agency-specific budget, 117 00:38:52,620 --> 00:39:02,620 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: of $14.77 billion, and retirement and life insurance premium of $1.272 billion. 118 00:39:03,820 --> 00:39:16,760 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Out of this, for the agency-specific budget, it consists of the personal services of $14.036 billion 119 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:22,420 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: and $737.977 million. 120 00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:27,580 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So we have no capital outlay. 121 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:37,060 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So the last slide is the comparative data between the NEP as against our budget proposal 122 00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:39,160 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for fiscal year 2027. 123 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:48,060 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the personal services, there is an increase of 1.17%. 124 00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:52,260 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: And this is due to the increase in our authorized 125 00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:58,900 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: plantilla positions, and inclusion of the fourth tranche of the Salary Standardization Law. 126 00:39:59,540 --> 00:40:09,380 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Then for the MOOE, 34.48% decrease, and this is pertaining to the first year implementation 127 00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:18,740 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: of the COA ISSP, and additional funding for our citizen participatory audit, MOE requirements. 128 00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:26,280 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Then, zero for, I mean, 100% decrease for our capital outlay. 129 00:40:26,980 --> 00:40:30,900 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So, that's all for the presentation. Thank you very much. 130 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:38,820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Assistant Commissioner Nilda Plaras. I'll ask my colleague, Senator Tulfo, our 131 00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:43,200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Blue Ribbon Chair, if he might have a statement or some queries. 132 00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:46,100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Just a few quick questions. 133 00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:55,880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chair, una po sa lahat kay ASCOM Plaras, ba't wala pong capital outlay? I noticed. 134 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:59,560 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Wala po sa NEP, although we proposed. 135 00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:01,300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Magkano po yung proposal po ninyo? 136 00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:09,450 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 1.177 billion. 137 00:41:09,830 --> 00:41:12,230 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Billion. Para saan po ito? Ano po ang purpose sana? 138 00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:22,770 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: For the capital outlay, we have the building and other structures. 139 00:41:23,090 --> 00:41:24,990 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Marami pong composition, sir. 140 00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:32,170 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Modernization of our COA building, fire protection works, renovation of our profession. 141 00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:33,390 Senator Erwin Tulfo: When you say, ma'am, I'm sorry. 142 00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:38,030 Senator Erwin Tulfo: When you say modernization of your building, you're building here, your main office, 143 00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:39,610 Senator Erwin Tulfo: malapit sa Sandigan? 144 00:41:39,850 --> 00:41:41,290 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yes, the building one and two po. 145 00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:42,450 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yung old one po. 146 00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:44,370 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Anong year ho ba 'yan naitayo? 147 00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:47,470 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 1970. 148 00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:49,410 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Late sixties po, Your Honor. 149 00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:50,750 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Late sixties, Chairman. 150 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:51,870 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Opo. 151 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:52,230 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Opo. 152 00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:59,070 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: With the indulgence of Senator Tulfo, meron lang akong nakita, just to clarify, last year, meron akong 153 00:41:59,070 --> 00:42:02,930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: phase 2 doon sa new four-story building with a basement. 154 00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:08,390 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So tanong ko lang, what's the status, or meron pa tayong phase 3 for this? 155 00:42:08,430 --> 00:42:09,310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ito ba yung one billion? 156 00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:11,410 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Is it part of the phase 3? 157 00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:12,090 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Hindi po, sir. 158 00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:18,510 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yung new building po, yung another na, it's not the old one. 159 00:42:18,590 --> 00:42:19,570 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: We have a new building. 160 00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:21,930 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: That's the 370 po. 161 00:42:22,530 --> 00:42:23,310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ano po status niya? 162 00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:27,050 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Under construction, or nagawa naman po? 163 00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:34,270 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: We are preparing now the plan for phase 2 po. 164 00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:37,090 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ah, so ano pala ito? Phase 2? 165 00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:38,070 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yes po. 166 00:42:38,910 --> 00:42:39,290 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay. 167 00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:41,990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So last year merong 370 million. 168 00:42:42,110 --> 00:42:43,570 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So this year, 169 00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:46,570 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to finish it, is this enough already? 170 00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:47,730 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Wala po, sir. 171 00:42:48,590 --> 00:42:50,450 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Hindi siya kasama dito. 172 00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:51,530 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Sa old building po ito, 173 00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:53,470 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: yung modernization. 174 00:42:54,930 --> 00:42:56,010 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So may facelift pa ba ito? 175 00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:57,270 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Wala na po. 176 00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:57,950 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Wala na. 177 00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:58,550 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ito lang. 178 00:42:59,550 --> 00:43:03,910 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Idagdag ko lang po, Mr. Chair, Senator Tulfo. 179 00:43:04,910 --> 00:43:12,450 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: The old building po, we retrofitted it kasi po natatakot kami because it was made during the 180 00:43:12,450 --> 00:43:13,310 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: old building code pa po. 181 00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:15,370 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So baka po hindi na up to standard. 182 00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:19,630 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I understand where you're coming from. 183 00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:22,690 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sabay ho yata itinayo sa DSWD at saka sa inyo. 184 00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:26,130 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kaya nung mag-earthquake ho, umuuga-uga kami sa DSWD. 185 00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:27,230 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I was the secretary then. 186 00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:28,250 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Number two, sir. 187 00:43:28,270 --> 00:43:31,930 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Baka hindi pa kaya naubos ninyo yung 600 million na inallocate sa inyo last year, 188 00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:33,550 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kaya ayaw ho kayong bigyan. 189 00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:38,050 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Meron kayong 650 million para sa capital outlay? 190 00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:38,610 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes po. 191 00:43:39,130 --> 00:43:40,550 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Have you already utilized that? 192 00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:42,590 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yung 370 million, sir. 193 00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:43,550 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: We're waiting 194 00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:49,470 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for the transfer of the building from DPWH kasi it is implemented by the 195 00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:49,770 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: DPWH. 196 00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:55,390 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So our GSO is now preparing for phase 2. 197 00:43:56,010 --> 00:44:01,210 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Once the building will be transferred, that's the time na ma-implement na po. 198 00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:06,030 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Itong request ho ninyo for this year, is it really a must, Mr. Chairman? 199 00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:08,070 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kailangang-kailangan ba ito? 200 00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:13,670 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Kung kailangang-kailangan at hindi nga maibibigay, pero ano ho yung 201 00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:16,230 Senator Erwin Tulfo: medyo malapit-lapit sa realization sa hingi ninyo na one billion? 202 00:44:16,350 --> 00:44:17,730 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ano yung pwedeng malapit-lapit man lang? 203 00:44:18,010 --> 00:44:18,450 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ah. 204 00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:20,770 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Si ASCOM Nilda na po ang sasagot. 205 00:44:21,350 --> 00:44:23,290 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Go ahead, ASCOM Plaras. 206 00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:29,310 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: First, sir, ang pinakaimportante namin is the information and communication technology 207 00:44:29,310 --> 00:44:30,530 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: equipment and software. 208 00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:35,790 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Ang pinaka-last nga namin yung sa modernization of the building. 209 00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:41,470 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Then the second for us is the semi-expendable ICT items. 210 00:44:42,190 --> 00:44:42,530 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: This is the... 211 00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:46,590 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So yung priority po ninyo, information and communication? 212 00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:51,670 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How much is the total of that information and communication sa breakdown? 213 00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:54,550 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 297.6 million po. 214 00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:57,250 Senator Erwin Tulfo: 297.6 million. 215 00:44:57,490 --> 00:44:57,670 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Yes po. 216 00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:59,950 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Part of the capital outlay? 217 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung susunod po, ano? 218 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,280 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Part of the MOE, which is 219 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,740 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Communication Equipment 220 00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:08,560 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: and Software Subscription 221 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,420 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: and 222 00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:12,680 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Internet 223 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,220 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Subscription para sa 224 00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:16,540 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Provincial Satellite Auditing Offices 225 00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:17,220 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: po namin. 226 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,760 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So yun ang MOE part po, sir. 227 00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:22,140 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Pero yung pinakaimportante po, yung 228 00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:23,440 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: information and communication. 229 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,400 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: It is a priority. 230 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,400 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Alright. Thank you, 231 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:29,760 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ASCOM Plaras. 232 00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:32,480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chair, I have another 233 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: question, pero please proceed 234 00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:36,640 Senator Erwin Tulfo: to the budget-related. I just want to ask 235 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Chairman Cordova. 236 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Sir, what have you done 237 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: after all these 238 00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:44,480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: investigations by the Blue 239 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ribbon last year? Yung ating 240 00:45:46,220 --> 00:45:48,880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung ating mga COA personnel, medyo may mga 241 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ikang 242 00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:52,460 Senator Erwin Tulfo: pagkukulang din na lumusot po 243 00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:54,480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa kanila. Have you made any 244 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,720 Senator Erwin Tulfo: changes para hindi na po maulit 245 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: para hindi malusutan 246 00:45:58,580 --> 00:45:59,980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: yung ating COA personnel? 247 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,220 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Or hindi maging kasabwat 248 00:46:02,220 --> 00:46:03,140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa ikang 249 00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:06,420 Senator Erwin Tulfo: nefarious 250 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:08,040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: activities? Have you done 251 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,160 Senator Erwin Tulfo: something about this? 252 00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:11,600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you for the question, Mr. Chair, 253 00:46:11,740 --> 00:46:13,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Sen. Tulfo. Ang ginawa po natin 254 00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:16,180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay unang-una, yung po mga areas 255 00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:17,680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kung saan po nangyari yung mga 256 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: problem sa flood control 257 00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay nagpa-fraud audit po tayo. 258 00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:24,340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So that's number one. Number two po 259 00:46:24,340 --> 00:46:26,280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay yung mga personnel na 260 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: doon nakasign ay nilipat na po 261 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: natin. Tinanggal po natin doon. 262 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:30,820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And then 263 00:46:30,820 --> 00:46:33,960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: nag-file po kami ng cases against 264 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:34,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: them, Your Honors. 265 00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:37,980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How often po ang ikang 266 00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:39,880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: rotation? Do you rotate 267 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: your people? For example, 268 00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:43,560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: itong auditor na ito sa 269 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,280 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Bulacan, 1st District, 270 00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:47,640 Senator Erwin Tulfo: how long will he or she stay there? 271 00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:49,660 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Or hanggang sa magretiro siya 272 00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:51,680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: o you rotate them para walang 273 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: familiarization ng mga officials, 274 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:55,880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: etc.? As a general 275 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,540 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: rule po, three years po, Your Honors. 276 00:46:57,540 --> 00:46:59,200 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Three years. Then they get rotated? 277 00:46:59,300 --> 00:46:59,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes po. 278 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Kiniikot po sila. 279 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Mr. Chair, one last question. 280 00:47:04,060 --> 00:47:05,300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Ongoing po ang aming 281 00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:07,680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: impeachment trial, 282 00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:09,820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ang sinasabi po, ongoing 283 00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:11,320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: din po ang inyong mga review 284 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,660 Senator Erwin Tulfo: doon po sa mga motion 285 00:47:13,660 --> 00:47:15,620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: for reconsideration sa Office of the 286 00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:17,680 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Vice President, and ganoon din 287 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: po yung when she was with the Education 288 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Department. Ano na ho 289 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:22,440 Senator Erwin Tulfo: status nito? 290 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,240 Senator Erwin Tulfo: We want to find out kasi 291 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,000 Senator Erwin Tulfo: her people, 292 00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:29,580 Senator Erwin Tulfo: mga former 293 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,660 Senator Erwin Tulfo: officials, they're pointing to you na 294 00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:33,880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: they're just waiting. Sinagot naman daw nila 295 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,460 Senator Erwin Tulfo: po yung mga AOMs ninyo, 296 00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: discrepancies, so they're 297 00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:39,520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: waiting. Ano ho ang status na nito? 298 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,060 Senator Erwin Tulfo: And if kailan po 299 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:43,320 Senator Erwin Tulfo: natin malalaman, 300 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,700 Senator Erwin Tulfo: your ruling or your decision na 301 00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:47,540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: acceptable yung mga 302 00:47:47,540 --> 00:47:48,600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ikang 303 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: evidence that they 304 00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:53,760 Senator Erwin Tulfo: filed or ikang 305 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: reasons that they submitted 306 00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:57,980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: to your office to qualify 307 00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:59,940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: or justify yung 308 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kanila pong expenses, lalo na po 309 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: sa Confidential Fund 310 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ng agency, Chairman. 311 00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:07,660 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you, Your Honors. 312 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,580 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yung pong tungkol po 313 00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:11,360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa Confidential Funds po ng 314 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Office of the Vice President, 315 00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:15,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: galing po doon sa Fraud Audit 316 00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:17,420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Office, nagkaroon na po ng 317 00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:19,100 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ND doon, inakyat na po nila. 318 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:19,680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: They had 319 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: six months to bring it up 320 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to the Commission, so inakyat na po 321 00:48:25,860 --> 00:48:27,620 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa amin ng Office of the Vice President, and we 322 00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:29,680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: actually decided on it already, Your Honors. 323 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We denied po 324 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:33,840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the appeal of the 325 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: OVP doon po sa 326 00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:37,480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: office of the Vice President, 327 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: but they filed a motion for reconsideration. 328 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yun po ang pending po sa amin ngayon. 329 00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:43,620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, the 330 00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:45,840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: first motion was denied. 331 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:46,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes po. 332 00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:47,480 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, nasa second 333 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,500 Senator Erwin Tulfo: motion. 334 00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:49,100 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Opo. 335 00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:51,820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: The appeal po was denied, so they 336 00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:53,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: filed a motion for reconsideration. 337 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,620 Senator Erwin Tulfo: After this, sir, 338 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,940 Senator Erwin Tulfo: kung sakasakali, kung whatever happens 339 00:48:57,940 --> 00:48:59,740 Senator Erwin Tulfo: like it's still unacceptable, 340 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I mean, we're not so sure, whatever 341 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: your decisions, baka may mga additional 342 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,980 Senator Erwin Tulfo: evidence po sila, documents to 343 00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:08,120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: present, sabihin na natin na 344 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: ganun pa rin po. What's going 345 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to happen na? Then they can go to 346 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,640 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the Supreme Court po, Your Honor, 347 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: on Rule 64 of the Rules of Court po. 348 00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:17,500 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Okay. So, 349 00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:20,040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: the last recourse nila 350 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,140 Senator Erwin Tulfo: will be the Supreme Court. 351 00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:21,860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, Your Honor. 352 00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:23,840 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Is it possible po ba, or is it 353 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: confidential that, can you publish 354 00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:26,800 Senator Erwin Tulfo: our 355 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,520 Senator Erwin Tulfo: the impeachment court, 356 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,920 Senator Erwin Tulfo: documentations about this, 357 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,100 Senator Erwin Tulfo: I mean, about your reports, kung sakasakaling 358 00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:36,040 Senator Erwin Tulfo: lumabas na kayo after it's 359 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,600 Senator Erwin Tulfo: a motion for reconsideration? 360 00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:40,080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yeah, we will do that po. Actually po, 361 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Your Honor, we can submit a copy of 362 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the decision nung nauna, 363 00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:45,520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: at saka po yung motion for 364 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,140 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: reconsideration na desisyon namin pag lumabas na po. 365 00:49:48,260 --> 00:49:49,560 Senator Erwin Tulfo: How many more months 366 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,820 Senator Erwin Tulfo: you have to make a decision on do sa 367 00:49:51,820 --> 00:49:53,270 Senator Erwin Tulfo: MR po nila? 368 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:54,080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Siguro po mga 369 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: a month or so lang po, Your Honor. 370 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,030 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Tapusin na po namin. 371 00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:57,780 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Another month or so? 372 00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,230 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, sir. 373 00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:59,540 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you po, Mr. Chairman po. 374 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Idagdag ko lang po, Your Honor, yung pong sa 375 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Office of the DepEd naman po, 376 00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:06,400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: nung pong nilabas 377 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ng ND, yung 378 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Intelligence and Confidential Funds 379 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Audit Office, yung pong ND, 380 00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:13,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: they have until October 381 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: this year, October 5 382 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po, this year, to file an appeal. 383 00:50:18,620 --> 00:50:19,600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, wala pa po ina-ante. 384 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,240 Senator Erwin Tulfo: So, yung sa 385 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:21,260 Senator Erwin Tulfo: DepEd, di ba po sila nag-appeal? 386 00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:22,280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Di pa po. 387 00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:23,050 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung sa OVP lang? 388 00:50:23,050 --> 00:50:23,800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes. 389 00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,300 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Yung giving them 390 00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:26,960 Senator Erwin Tulfo: one more month? 391 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:27,520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes. 392 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,120 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Alright. 393 00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:29,880 Senator Erwin Tulfo: Thank you po. Thank you po, Mr. Chair. 394 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator Tulfo. 395 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you for your questions. That will be 396 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: helpful also in our 397 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for the impeachment. 398 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Just a few questions. 399 00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:45,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Verificatory questions. 400 00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:48,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Under your support to operations, 401 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: may 169 million na nakalaan 402 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for legal assistance services. 403 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sino-sino po ba ang 404 00:50:53,860 --> 00:50:55,440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: nag-avail ng legal assistance na ito? 405 00:50:56,060 --> 00:50:57,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasama po ba rito yung mga 406 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA auditors and personnel who face 407 00:50:59,860 --> 00:51:01,940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: harassment, intimidation 408 00:51:01,940 --> 00:51:03,420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or legal action simply because 409 00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:06,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: they perform their duties, particularly 410 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: after issuing audit reports 411 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:09,760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or notices of 412 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: disallowance. I raise this 413 00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:13,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: because we have seen COA personnel testify 414 00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:16,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: even in high-profile 415 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: proceedings, tulad ng impeachment, 416 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: including the 417 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kapag ang isang auditor ay nanindigan 418 00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:23,780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa kanyang findings at ginawa 419 00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:25,780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: lamang kanyang trabaho, dapat bang 420 00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:27,740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: may assurance siya na hindi siya 421 00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:29,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: pababayaan ng institusyon. So, what legal? 422 00:51:29,860 --> 00:51:30,760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And institutional 423 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: protection does COA provide 424 00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:35,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to the auditors who face retaliation 425 00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:37,660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: because of their official findings 426 00:51:37,660 --> 00:51:39,660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or testimonies? 427 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you, Your Honors. 428 00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:43,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ascom Sabaldan po will answer that. 429 00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:45,320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: He's the head of our legal service. 430 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ascom Sabaldan, please. 431 00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:49,720 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: Good morning, Your Honor. 432 00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:51,840 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: Good morning, Senator Tulfo. 433 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,520 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: COA has 434 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,720 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: the so-called prosecution 435 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,140 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: and litigation office, 436 00:51:57,140 --> 00:51:59,200 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: one of which functions is 437 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,300 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: to assist our auditors 438 00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:03,420 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: in case of 439 00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:05,200 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: harassment suits 440 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,320 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: or retaliatory suits 441 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,380 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: against them. 442 00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:11,080 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: Budgetary-wise, 443 00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:13,360 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: we also have budget line item, 444 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,360 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: the so-called legal assistance 445 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,600 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: fund, which will 446 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,220 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: cover, 447 00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:20,920 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: say, for example, 448 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,540 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: if our 449 00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:25,280 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: auditors or if our 450 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,820 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: former auditors will 451 00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:29,080 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: secure the assistance of a private 452 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,260 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: private lawyers. 453 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, yung pong 454 00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:36,740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 169 million allocation, 455 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: is it sufficient to provide 456 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for the protection of our COA 457 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: auditors and personnel? 458 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,140 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: I think so, sir. Pwede po. 459 00:52:44,460 --> 00:52:45,440 COA Assistant Commissioner Bresilo R. Sabaldan: Sufficient po yan. 460 00:52:45,860 --> 00:52:48,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi talaga, recently, talagang with the 461 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: high-profile cases, 462 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the COA auditors have been 463 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: asked to testify. 464 00:52:55,140 --> 00:52:56,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi na ako magtatanong 465 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kasi baka sub judice tayo. 466 00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:00,340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But I think very familiar yung mga pangalan, 467 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: nyo, recently. 468 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:03,500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, 469 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: pagdating dito sa flood control, 470 00:53:06,380 --> 00:53:08,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: fraud audits, and the continued investigation, 471 00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:09,820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: dahil itong pinakamainit, the biggest 472 00:53:09,820 --> 00:53:10,740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: corruption 473 00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:14,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: scandal in the history of our government, 474 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the government 475 00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:18,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: has confirmed the investigations into alleged 476 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: flood control anomalies remain ongoing. 477 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sabi rin ng Office of the Ombudsman kanina, 478 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: tuloy-tuloy ang filing of cases 479 00:53:23,740 --> 00:53:25,940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: after a year or so. 480 00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:28,300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ngayon, nagpa-file, 481 00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:29,960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: tuloy-tuloy pa rin po yung kanilang, 482 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: preliminary investigations 483 00:53:32,860 --> 00:53:34,540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and subsequent filing 484 00:53:34,540 --> 00:53:35,200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of cases. 485 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, ang ano natin, 486 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:39,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ito, ongoing, 487 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yung mga projects that maybe go 488 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: substandard or ineffective, tuloy-tuloy pa yung 489 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: investigations ng COA, as you mentioned. 490 00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:48,600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA has the constitutional 491 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: mandate to audit public expenditures 492 00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:52,320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and a dedicated special audit 493 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: subprogram for fraud, special 494 00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:55,840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and performance audit. 495 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, what is COA 496 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: doing now? Kanina, partially, nasagot nyo naman na po. 497 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kung ano po yung ginawa nyo rin sa mga 498 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: auditors 499 00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:06,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or personnel who were involved in 500 00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:08,760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the flood control scandal sa ghost projects. 501 00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:10,160 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Some were charged, 502 00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:11,960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: as you mentioned, Chairman. 503 00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:14,540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, what is COA doing now on a nationwide 504 00:54:14,540 --> 00:54:16,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: basis to identify and act on 505 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: anomalous flood control and other 506 00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:19,420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: infrastructure projects? 507 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:21,980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mr. Chair, 508 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang una pong tinutuunan namin ng pansin ngayon, 509 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: we are coordinating with the 510 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Office of the Ombudsman 511 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: dahil yun pong aming mga auditors, 512 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa mga region, sa mga 513 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: probinsya, sila po ang nagiging witness po 514 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ng Office of the Ombudsman sa mga cases filed 515 00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:38,180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: in the Sandigan Bayan 516 00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:40,340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: or in the RTC or during preliminary 517 00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:42,380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: investigation. Also, Your Honor, 518 00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:44,420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa aming pong Fraud Audit Office, so far, 519 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: medyo busy po sila. 520 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Nakatapos na po kami ng almost 521 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: 50 na fraud audit 522 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: reports. 523 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:53,640 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And ito pong lahat, 524 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,020 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mr. Chairman, has already been submitted 525 00:54:56,020 --> 00:54:58,300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to the Office of the Ombudsman 526 00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:00,320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and ginagamit naman po nila ito dun sa 527 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: mga preliminary investigation 528 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: lalo na sa mga cases that they filed. 529 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, tuloy-tuloy lang po kami, and hindi 530 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: naman po kahihinto, tuloy-tuloy lang 531 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po hanggang sa makover po namin lahat. 532 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But of course, Your Honors, 533 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang aming pong kinonsentratan 534 00:55:13,820 --> 00:55:15,920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa ngayon ay yung 535 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: province of Bulacan because dito po talaga 536 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang parang lumalabas na 537 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ground zero of this 538 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: flood control projects. 539 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:25,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, sir. 540 00:55:26,380 --> 00:55:27,720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, thank you. Chairman 541 00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Gamaliel Cordoba, 542 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so what is the process 543 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and expected timeline for elevating 544 00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:35,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: itong mga audit findings or fraud 545 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: indicators to the Ombudsman? May timeline na kayo? 546 00:55:38,340 --> 00:55:39,200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po, Your Honors, 547 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: after matapos po 548 00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:43,400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: namin, we already, 549 00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:44,820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: pagka-issue po ng 550 00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:48,060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: fraud audit report, kasama na po ang notice of 551 00:55:48,060 --> 00:55:49,960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: disallowance, we filed it po right away 552 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: with the Office of the Ombudsman. 553 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:53,920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Pagkatapos po, binibigay na po namin 554 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,020 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: agad sa kanila, and then ginagamit 555 00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:57,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po nila ito sa pag-imbestiga, 556 00:55:58,020 --> 00:56:00,080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: preliminary investigation, and filing of cases. 557 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po yun pong aming mga 558 00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:04,060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: fraud auditors ay ginagamitin po nila 559 00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:05,800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: as witnesses doon po sa mga cases 560 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: filed before the 561 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: preliminary investigation 562 00:56:09,860 --> 00:56:12,080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa kanila pong, sa cases 563 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa Sandigan Bayan at sa RTC po. 564 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Humaharap na po kami doon, Your Honor. 565 00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:17,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, thank you. Lastly, we'll go up 566 00:56:17,860 --> 00:56:19,720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to a published consolidated findings 567 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:21,740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or a public status report so 568 00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:23,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Congress can track the scope, 569 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: results, and disposition of these audits. 570 00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:27,780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We'll do that po, Your Honors, 571 00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:30,240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: but we will submit to you po. 572 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:35,190 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We will issue 573 00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:36,610 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ano po, yung pong mga 574 00:56:36,610 --> 00:56:38,290 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: annual audit reports 575 00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:40,950 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay nagpapadala po kami 576 00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:42,690 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa Senate at sa 577 00:56:42,690 --> 00:56:44,690 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: House of Representatives, but we'll also 578 00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:46,590 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: publish it po as of 579 00:56:46,590 --> 00:56:48,270 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: October, until 580 00:56:48,270 --> 00:56:51,030 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: October 31. Pero yung pong fraud audit 581 00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:52,730 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay magpapadala po kami sa inyo ng 582 00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:54,730 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: physical copies dahil 583 00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:57,030 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: mas madali po ninyong magagamit 584 00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:57,450 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po ito. 585 00:56:58,290 --> 00:57:00,730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Then I came across earlier 586 00:57:00,730 --> 00:57:02,930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: parang news article, itong 587 00:57:03,010 --> 00:57:04,430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kay COA Commissioner, former 588 00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:06,530 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Commissioner Heidi Mendoza issued a statement 589 00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:08,710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: recently about urging COA 590 00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:10,430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to pursue criminal cases against 591 00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:12,690 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: government officials implicated 592 00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:14,730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in the misuse of public funds instead 593 00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:16,750 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of limiting its action to 594 00:57:16,750 --> 00:57:18,250 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: issuing notices of 595 00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:20,850 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: disallowance. So may I know the reaction 596 00:57:20,850 --> 00:57:22,650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of COA about this? 597 00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:24,850 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po, Your Honors, paglabas po 598 00:57:24,850 --> 00:57:26,490 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: namin ng notice of disallowance, 599 00:57:26,930 --> 00:57:28,730 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: we also endorse 600 00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:30,330 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: it to the Office of the Ombudsman po. 601 00:57:30,790 --> 00:57:32,770 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Copy-furnish po sila para po if 602 00:57:33,010 --> 00:57:34,330 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: they deem fit to 603 00:57:34,330 --> 00:57:37,250 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: use the notices of disallowance 604 00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:38,330 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and our actions 605 00:57:38,330 --> 00:57:40,850 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to pursue cases, ay 606 00:57:40,850 --> 00:57:42,770 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: pwede po nilang gawin. And ready naman po kami 607 00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:44,810 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: makipag-cooperate and be witnesses 608 00:57:44,810 --> 00:57:45,830 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kung kailangan po. 609 00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:48,890 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: In other words po, parang kami na rin po 610 00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:50,890 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang nagpo-file sa Office of the Ombudsman, Your Honor. 611 00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:52,670 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, thank you. 612 00:57:53,350 --> 00:57:54,930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: With regards to manpower 613 00:57:54,930 --> 00:57:56,870 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: complement, in terms of staffing, 614 00:57:57,050 --> 00:57:57,830 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA has 615 00:57:57,830 --> 00:58:00,850 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 13,378 authorized 616 00:58:00,850 --> 00:58:02,970 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: permanent positions as of June 13, 617 00:58:03,010 --> 00:58:04,490 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 2026. 618 00:58:05,050 --> 00:58:07,010 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 8,693 positions 619 00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:08,910 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or 65% of the total 620 00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:10,470 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: are filled, leaving 621 00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:12,790 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 4,685 positions 622 00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:14,990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: vacant. May I request an update on the current 623 00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:16,350 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: number of positions filled, 624 00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:18,830 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: including the total number of state 625 00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:20,510 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: auditors currently employed by COA. 626 00:58:21,490 --> 00:58:22,670 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Given the current 627 00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:24,730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: staffing level, does the existing manpower 628 00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:26,910 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sufficiently address COA's workload 629 00:58:26,910 --> 00:58:28,650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and enable it to fulfill its mandate 630 00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:30,810 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: as a guardian of public funds? 631 00:58:31,810 --> 00:58:32,370 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, ito po. 632 00:58:33,010 --> 00:58:34,710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Can you give us the status? 633 00:58:34,930 --> 00:58:36,810 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Itong ano, may 4,685 634 00:58:36,810 --> 00:58:40,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: positions vacant po tayo. 635 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:41,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tapos, ano pa, no? 636 00:58:41,820 --> 00:58:43,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: During the budget hearing at the House, 637 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: it was noted that some auditors leave COA 638 00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:47,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for higher salaries. 639 00:58:47,780 --> 00:58:50,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ito yung mga problema natin: greener 640 00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:51,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: pastures, 641 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: More flexible work arrangements, transfers 642 00:58:54,020 --> 00:58:55,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to other agencies or retirement. 643 00:58:56,420 --> 00:58:57,920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, what measures or initiatives 644 00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: is COA proposing to improve 645 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: retention, ensure the continued service 646 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of our experienced auditors? 647 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mr. Chair, may I respectfully ask 648 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan 649 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: to answer the question po. 650 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,160 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Assistant Commissioner Cabochan, 651 00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:14,880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: you have the floor. 652 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,460 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Mr. Chair, good afternoon. 653 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,000 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, based on our 654 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,440 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: report on the 655 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,260 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: accession and separation 656 00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:24,420 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: and exit surveys, 657 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,760 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: show that the high separation 658 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,780 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: rates outpace 659 00:59:28,780 --> 00:59:31,020 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: the momentum of our recruitment cycle. 660 00:59:32,020 --> 00:59:32,960 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And of 661 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,300 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 4,544 662 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,340 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: total vacant 663 00:59:36,340 --> 00:59:38,480 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: positions, 664 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,460 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 82% 665 00:59:40,460 --> 00:59:41,780 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: are auditor positions. 666 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,440 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, notably po, 667 00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:46,440 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: ito po yung parang 668 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,100 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: based on the system ranking of positions po, 669 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,820 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: meron pong category ito. 670 00:59:51,220 --> 00:59:52,640 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: May entry level ng 671 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,840 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: state auditing examiner 672 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,600 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: examiner 2, which is the 673 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,520 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: entry level. Then, 674 00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:59,840 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: after a year, 675 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,100 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: you are to be promoted to State Auditor 1, 2, 3, 4, up to 5. 676 01:00:06,660 --> 01:00:13,560 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So based on our records, the State Auditing Examiner 2 out of the unfilled positions 677 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:19,000 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: consists of 832, and this is the entry level. 678 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,980 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So we have already utilized it for 68% na po ito. 679 01:00:23,980 --> 01:00:30,060 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Kasi we cannot promote, we have to follow administrative rules 680 01:00:30,060 --> 01:00:32,220 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: in terms of the ranking of positions. 681 01:00:33,060 --> 01:00:39,200 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So after the entry level of State Auditing Examiner, after a year, 682 01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:43,580 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: this can be promoted na po sa State Auditor 1, 683 01:00:43,580 --> 01:00:48,840 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: and after, we have to follow po yung system ranking of positions. 684 01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:50,620 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So we're doing that po. 685 01:00:51,140 --> 01:00:53,780 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So it will take, notably po, it will take, 686 01:00:53,980 --> 01:01:01,260 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: a span of months because of the compliance with the administrative rules of the Civil Service po. 687 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:07,060 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, but we, for the past years po, for the last three years po, 688 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,780 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: we have already conducted substantial recruitment. 689 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:18,440 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: However, yung pong separation po, medyo mas, majority of the percentage po, 690 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,180 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: goes to mandatory po. 691 01:01:20,260 --> 01:01:23,940 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Ang dami na po ngayong nag-re-retire. 692 01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:29,400 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Upon reaching 60, they wouldn't like to be staying hanggang 65 po. 693 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:34,220 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And yung pong mga less than, yung mga newly recruits naman po natin, 694 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:40,520 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: mostly yung mga less than 10 years, are transferring to private, yes po. 695 01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:45,720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, siguro, Chairman, I can ask also Commissioner Cabochan, 696 01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:50,820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: are there any specific plans to enhance compensation, improve the benefits, 697 01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:53,960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para yung working conditions, to improve the working conditions, 698 01:01:53,980 --> 01:01:57,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to address these concerns na meron. 699 01:01:57,260 --> 01:02:02,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sabi nyo nga na, na outpace tayo nung pag-retire sa yung recruitment, 700 01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:07,820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: tsaka yung retention, no, marami lumilipat ng ibang ahensya, 701 01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:10,100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or go to private practice. 702 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:11,180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, what are we doing? 703 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Any plans to enhance the compensation benefits? 704 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po, your honors, ang atin pong kasing challenge is that the commission audit is, 705 01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: we have to follow the salary standardization. 706 01:02:23,980 --> 01:02:27,220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, naka ano po tayo doon. 707 01:02:27,260 --> 01:02:31,840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But as much as we can, ginagandahan naman po namin yung mga pwedeng ibigay sa tao. 708 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:40,080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Like, for example, for this year, we were able to bid out and finish the contract for the HMO, 709 01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:43,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: yung pong sa aming medical benefits ng aming pong tao. 710 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:51,140 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Tinaasan po namin yung, what's this, yung pong limits and coverage sa hospitals. 711 01:02:51,620 --> 01:02:53,280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, maganda naman po yun. 712 01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:53,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And then, 713 01:02:53,980 --> 01:03:03,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But co-workers are authorized to fix and determine your salaries, allowances, and other benefits for your personnel. 714 01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:04,520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ano po, we are, 715 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:10,500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Hindi po, we are, ano sir, we are, we have to follow the salary standardization. 716 01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:18,820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Kung mapapansin niyo po, your honor, yung pong aming budget for 2027 is actually salaries po talaga. 717 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Maliitan po yung MOE and then no capital expenditure po. 718 01:03:27,820 --> 01:03:30,620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, now, we'll wait for the other centers to come, no? 719 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But I'll ask that questions nonetheless. 720 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:35,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yes. 721 01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:50,980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At this juncture, we acknowledge the arrival of our Deputy Majority Leader, Senator Joel Villanueva. 722 01:03:51,740 --> 01:03:53,480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, sir, for joining us. 723 01:03:54,140 --> 01:03:54,540 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. 724 01:03:54,620 --> 01:03:56,400 Senator Joel Villanueva: Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. 725 01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:57,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm here to support. 726 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,040 Senator Joel Villanueva: And as I have said, I am your backup guy here. 727 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:03,820 Senator Joel Villanueva: And, of course, we welcome. 728 01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:13,900 Senator Joel Villanueva: Our COA family, headed by our good friend, Chairperson Del Cordoba, and our commissioners, of course, Commissioner Douglas is here. 729 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:14,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. 730 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,280 Senator Joel Villanueva: Katatanong ko lang yung lagi po tinatanong sa mga ahensya. 731 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,560 Senator Joel Villanueva: Medyo malaki yung kanilang vacancies, no? 732 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:21,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung unfilled position. 733 01:04:22,020 --> 01:04:28,700 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, probably, COA continues to carry a large number of vacancies. 734 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, what is the realistic hiring? 735 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,640 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pero nabanggit kanina ni Commissioner Cabochan. 736 01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:35,520 Senator Joel Villanueva: But yan kanina yung mga, ano eh, no? 737 01:04:36,020 --> 01:04:43,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung mga dilema nila na they're losing to retirement, to private practice. 738 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:49,000 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, meron na rin sila ginagawa to improve the benefits and other, ano. 739 01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, siguro, briefly lang. 740 01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:54,140 Senator Joel Villanueva: Alam ko concern ng aking kaibigang kasama yan. 741 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:57,620 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Okay. 742 01:04:57,620 --> 01:05:05,460 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: A while ago po, we discussed that the data or the rate of the accession and separation 743 01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:06,040 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: and exit surveys. 744 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:12,420 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: It showed that the high separation rates outpaced the momentum of our recruitment 745 01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:13,460 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: cycle po. 746 01:05:14,020 --> 01:05:23,920 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Of the 4,544 po, this attributed to 82% po na vacant positions for auditors. 747 01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:25,020 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Auditors positions. 748 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,160 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Sorry, how many again? 749 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,940 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 4,544. 750 01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:29,240 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 4,544. 751 01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:35,940 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And out of this po, 82%, which is 3,727, are auditor positions. 752 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:45,120 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Then po, dito po sa ano natin, ang auditor positions po are categorized into several 753 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,080 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: levels po. 754 01:05:46,540 --> 01:05:51,100 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: The entry position po is State Auditing Examiner 2 po. 755 01:05:51,740 --> 01:05:57,980 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, entry level po yun, after po performance of one year, you can be promoted to State 756 01:05:57,980 --> 01:06:03,020 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Auditor 1, State Auditor 2, State Auditor 3, hanggang 5 po. 757 01:06:03,020 --> 01:06:05,720 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, this is basically based po. 758 01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:10,140 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Sa compliance po ng administrative rules ng civil service. 759 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,800 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, we follow the system ranking of positions. 760 01:06:14,980 --> 01:06:21,900 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, basically, the State Auditing Examiner 2, which is the entry level, comprises po 761 01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:28,720 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: ng 832 lang and we already utilize 68% of this. 762 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:35,700 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: But upon entry po, we have to follow po muna bago po maipromote sila. 763 01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,800 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, that's why state auditor one. 764 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,020 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: After a while, state auditor two po. 765 01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:50,590 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yun po yung comprising noon 3,727. 766 01:06:50,590 --> 01:06:52,510 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, yeah. 767 01:06:52,510 --> 01:06:55,950 Senator Joel Villanueva: That's all of Mr. Chair. 768 01:06:55,950 --> 01:06:57,050 Senator Joel Villanueva: Go ahead, Senator Villanueva. 769 01:06:57,050 --> 01:06:59,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: I've been raising this particular issue for quite some time. 770 01:06:59,870 --> 01:07:02,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: I think I sound like a broken record. 771 01:07:02,130 --> 01:07:07,010 Senator Joel Villanueva: I think for every single budget deliberation here in the Senate. 772 01:07:07,010 --> 01:07:07,430 Senator Joel Villanueva: I would raise it. 773 01:07:07,850 --> 01:07:14,230 Senator Joel Villanueva: It has been growing, you know. I remember when I started doing this as a congressman, 774 01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:24,190 Senator Joel Villanueva: they're only about 250 000 uh contract of uh service job orders in the country now it's about 775 01:07:24,190 --> 01:07:30,170 Senator Joel Villanueva: a million about a million all over the country including the lgs of course the biggest the 776 01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:35,710 Senator Joel Villanueva: biggest violator is the local government units and that's why every time we talk about the issue of 777 01:07:35,710 --> 01:07:42,850 Senator Joel Villanueva: security of tenure it's quite hard if not almost impossible to convince the private sector 778 01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:56,570 Senator Joel Villanueva: and now in koa i was looking at this uh data you have is this correct 4540 for unfilled positions 779 01:07:56,570 --> 01:08:03,730 Senator Joel Villanueva: and then this unfilled position nevertheless you provide a lump sum in filling up 780 01:08:03,730 --> 01:08:05,210 Senator Joel Villanueva: uh 781 01:08:05,710 --> 01:08:07,450 Senator Joel Villanueva: dispositions right so 782 01:08:07,450 --> 01:08:16,010 Senator Joel Villanueva: uh right now you were saying 82 percent of the 4544 are 783 01:08:16,010 --> 01:08:20,630 Senator Joel Villanueva: so these positions are 784 01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:25,570 Senator Joel Villanueva: it's either 785 01:08:25,570 --> 01:08:35,170 Senator Joel Villanueva: or hindi hindi talaga viable for instance i was in tesda and uh 786 01:08:35,710 --> 01:08:45,310 Senator Joel Villanueva: chairman liel knows about this we had this only one position for legal um uh legal services 787 01:08:45,310 --> 01:08:50,350 Senator Joel Villanueva: namin iisa yung abogado and then salary grade i forgot the salary grade pero 788 01:08:50,350 --> 01:09:01,390 Senator Joel Villanueva: pang ano talaga pang uh pang uh sg 23 yun po pang nagtitinda ng ano uh dyan sa kalye no 789 01:09:01,390 --> 01:09:04,910 Senator Joel Villanueva: eh abogado yun so talagang papasok no so 790 01:09:05,710 --> 01:09:11,930 Senator Joel Villanueva: lagyan ko yung mga naging problema in the past years we were able to uh touch on this and then 791 01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:20,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: there came the government's optimization program the the build that i actually uh authored as well 792 01:09:20,130 --> 01:09:28,290 Senator Joel Villanueva: it's now a law in fact chairman jv would would uh would know this very well because i was being the 793 01:09:28,290 --> 01:09:34,650 Senator Joel Villanueva: vice chairman of this committee i was given the task to somehow uh sponsor the budget of 794 01:09:34,830 --> 01:09:35,550 Senator Joel Villanueva: optical media 795 01:09:35,710 --> 01:09:42,710 Senator Joel Villanueva: job board and the commission on filipinos overseas which i believe should be abolished 796 01:09:42,710 --> 01:09:52,370 Senator Joel Villanueva: i have been pushing for it i was the author of the migrant workers act establishing the 797 01:09:52,370 --> 01:09:59,210 Senator Joel Villanueva: department of migrant workers and we did not include the commission on filipinos overseas 798 01:09:59,210 --> 01:10:05,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: for that particular reason and then the omv i don't know every year i've been saying this 799 01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:14,770 Senator Joel Villanueva: but but but the db in the in the tbcc hearing conducted by by senator jv the executive already 800 01:10:14,770 --> 01:10:23,410 Senator Joel Villanueva: made mention about their plans no and one or top five perhaps would be the omv and the cfo of 801 01:10:23,410 --> 01:10:28,930 Senator Joel Villanueva: course we are not against uh we are definitely for the protection of their workers and do 802 01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:34,330 Senator Joel Villanueva: naman yun meron naman tayong magandang program at plan para sa kanila ang sakin lang in every 803 01:10:34,330 --> 01:10:34,850 Senator Joel Villanueva: agency 804 01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:41,970 Senator Joel Villanueva: in every department may kanya kanya iba iba yung position nila so in koa ano yung pinaka main 805 01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:48,050 Senator Joel Villanueva: problem why we couldn't fill this up because last year one out of ten one out of ten in all 806 01:10:48,050 --> 01:10:54,690 Senator Joel Villanueva: government positions unfilled ngayon nag improve pero hindi ganun kalaki one out of 13 but i'm 807 01:10:54,690 --> 01:11:03,970 Senator Joel Villanueva: still monitoring it uh unfortunately uh buong buhay ko sa sa test da sa senado parang hindi 808 01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:10,690 Senator Joel Villanueva: usang a-pitat to define yung gusto kong puntakan but at least someone is looking at it and uh 809 01:11:10,690 --> 01:11:17,210 Senator Joel Villanueva: nagagawa naman na unte-unte na na bibigyan solution ng problema may we know again yung 810 01:11:17,210 --> 01:11:20,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: root cause dito sa unfilled positions uh ma'am 811 01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:25,030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: yes po for our records will show you po though 812 01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:28,090 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: we have conducted significant efforts on the 813 01:11:28,090 --> 01:11:29,730 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: hiring po, but 814 01:11:29,730 --> 01:11:31,890 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: definitely po mas na-outweigh 815 01:11:31,890 --> 01:11:32,930 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: po yung separation. 816 01:11:32,930 --> 01:11:34,950 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Like for, 817 01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:36,930 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: nakapag-hire po kami 818 01:11:36,930 --> 01:11:38,910 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: for the last five years 819 01:11:38,910 --> 01:11:41,070 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: dito na two thousand, yes po, 820 01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:43,270 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: for better opportunities po, 821 01:11:43,530 --> 01:11:44,750 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: for higher pay, 822 01:11:45,130 --> 01:11:47,490 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: and yung proximity sa residence po. 823 01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:48,810 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: At di mapag-tay pang makasuhan. 824 01:11:49,630 --> 01:11:50,050 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yes. 825 01:11:50,770 --> 01:11:52,950 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And yung pong alternative work arrangement 826 01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:54,790 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: din po, council at po, 827 01:11:55,190 --> 01:11:57,070 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: on the decision to 828 01:11:57,070 --> 01:11:58,410 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: transfer to other, 829 01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:01,130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: yes, to other offices po. 830 01:12:01,130 --> 01:12:03,030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, yung po yung nakakasuhan. 831 01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:04,670 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Separation yung ngayon, yung umahalis. 832 01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:06,710 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Okay, sir. Ito po, 833 01:12:06,810 --> 01:12:08,350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: meron akong data rito. 834 01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:11,030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: The data for the 835 01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:12,450 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: last five years po. 836 01:12:12,690 --> 01:12:14,830 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Interested. Yes po. We have 837 01:12:14,830 --> 01:12:16,870 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: the accession is about two thousand 838 01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:17,850 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: five hundred twelve. 839 01:12:18,730 --> 01:12:20,550 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And the separation po is 840 01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:22,810 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: two thousand one hundred ninety-three. 841 01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:25,030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: And basically po, dito lang 842 01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:26,530 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: po kami sa last year, 843 01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:28,650 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: twenty-twenty-five, nagkaroon ng 844 01:12:28,650 --> 01:12:31,070 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: positive rate. Dun lang 845 01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:32,910 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: po. Pero talaga 846 01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:34,570 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: pong, ang ano po nito, 847 01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:36,670 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: ang mandatory po, na mga 848 01:12:36,670 --> 01:12:39,310 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: separation namin is five hundred seventy-five. 849 01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:40,850 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Optional po is 850 01:12:40,850 --> 01:12:42,790 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: eight hundred eighty-six. 851 01:12:44,410 --> 01:12:45,130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Resignation 852 01:12:45,130 --> 01:12:46,970 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: four hundred twenty-two 853 01:12:46,970 --> 01:12:48,450 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: po. Ito po yung mga 854 01:12:48,450 --> 01:12:51,010 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: lumilipat. Yes. 855 01:12:51,170 --> 01:12:52,770 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: For greener pasture po. 856 01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:54,630 Senator Joel Villanueva: I asked that question, ma'am, kasi it's 857 01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:57,030 Senator Joel Villanueva: it could be 858 01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:58,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: bothering. It should be bothering 859 01:12:58,870 --> 01:13:01,050 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the leadership. 860 01:13:01,070 --> 01:13:01,850 Senator Joel Villanueva: As well, because 861 01:13:01,850 --> 01:13:05,190 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know, maybe it shows 862 01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:07,190 Senator Joel Villanueva: that they are 863 01:13:07,190 --> 01:13:09,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: not being compensated well, or 864 01:13:09,070 --> 01:13:11,230 Senator Joel Villanueva: are we at par when you talk 865 01:13:11,230 --> 01:13:12,010 Senator Joel Villanueva: about, Chairman, 866 01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:14,950 Senator Joel Villanueva: benefits and salaries with other 867 01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:15,550 Senator Joel Villanueva: countries? 868 01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:18,630 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you, Mr. Chair, 869 01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:20,910 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Senator Joel. Actually po, 870 01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:23,130 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang isang malaking factor po would be 871 01:13:23,130 --> 01:13:25,030 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the work in other countries. Dahil yung 872 01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:26,890 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po kasing work ng accountant 873 01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:28,910 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay madali po silang 874 01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:30,850 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: makakuha din ng trabaho po sa ibang 875 01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:32,950 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: sa. And of course, yung mga private 876 01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:34,850 Senator Joel Villanueva: salaries that we're talking about. 877 01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:36,450 Senator Joel Villanueva: I mean, how do we compare our 878 01:13:36,450 --> 01:13:38,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm sure we're not at par, but 879 01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:41,050 Senator Joel Villanueva: how big is the 880 01:13:41,050 --> 01:13:41,310 Senator Joel Villanueva: gap? 881 01:13:41,310 --> 01:13:41,830 Senator Joel Villanueva: Wala po. 882 01:13:42,350 --> 01:13:45,190 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Okay. We follow 883 01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:46,830 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: the standardization law po. 884 01:13:46,990 --> 01:13:49,130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So our entry level is state 885 01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:51,010 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: auditing examiner 2, which is 886 01:13:51,010 --> 01:13:52,610 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: around SG 13. 887 01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:54,390 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Around thirty 888 01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:57,150 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: thirty-six thousand. 889 01:13:57,850 --> 01:13:58,630 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Your Honor, 890 01:13:58,850 --> 01:14:00,090 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: thirty-six thousand po. 891 01:14:01,070 --> 01:14:03,350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Then CPA ka po, and the risk 892 01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:05,270 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: of being an auditor when you 893 01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:07,190 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: will be hearing a lot of news 894 01:14:07,190 --> 01:14:09,370 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: na si auditor ganito, ganito. 895 01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:11,630 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, maybe po, 896 01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:13,290 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: yung po yung medyo hindi 897 01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:15,350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: nakaka-entice for 898 01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:17,030 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: the newly CPAs po na 899 01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:19,230 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: pumasok to be 900 01:14:19,230 --> 01:14:21,430 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: included in their dream to be 901 01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:22,810 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: part of our workforce. 902 01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:24,990 Senator Joel Villanueva: Part dyan, yung mental health 903 01:14:24,990 --> 01:14:27,790 Senator Joel Villanueva: dapat hindi ka kinakalawang 904 01:14:27,790 --> 01:14:28,890 Senator Joel Villanueva: na 905 01:14:28,890 --> 01:14:31,030 Senator Joel Villanueva: matibay ka, matigas ang 906 01:14:31,070 --> 01:14:33,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: matigas din ang ulo mo. 907 01:14:33,710 --> 01:14:34,290 Senator Joel Villanueva: But anyway, 908 01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:37,170 Senator Joel Villanueva: and then if you compare it to 909 01:14:37,170 --> 01:14:38,510 Senator Joel Villanueva: other countries, like 910 01:14:38,510 --> 01:14:39,970 Senator Joel Villanueva: in a government 911 01:14:39,970 --> 01:14:42,950 Senator Joel Villanueva: position, may idea po kayo? 912 01:14:43,210 --> 01:14:43,430 Senator Joel Villanueva: Why? 913 01:14:45,090 --> 01:14:46,590 Senator Joel Villanueva: Para lang ano natin, no? Kasi 914 01:14:46,590 --> 01:14:48,310 Senator Joel Villanueva: tinitignan natin yung 915 01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:51,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung kalagayan ng ating 916 01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:52,810 Senator Joel Villanueva: mga manggagawa. Chairperson tayo ng 917 01:14:52,810 --> 01:14:53,710 Senator Joel Villanueva: Committee on Labor. 918 01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:56,750 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So far po, Your Honor, wala po akong 919 01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:58,790 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: idea, pero definitely po kasi 920 01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:59,990 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: yung may 921 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,700 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: niece is employed 922 01:15:01,700 --> 01:15:04,840 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: sa Dubai 923 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,060 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: an accountant 924 01:15:06,060 --> 01:15:08,600 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: 300,000 925 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,360 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: if you convert it 926 01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:11,920 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: sa niece ko po yun 927 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,300 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: na nandun siya 928 01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:15,360 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: That's in the private sector? 929 01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:16,500 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yeah, it's a private sector. 930 01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: But still, you're looking at about 10% 931 01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: 10% nung kinikita 932 01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:22,920 Senator Joel Villanueva: nung nandun sa abroad 933 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,840 Senator Joel Villanueva: so that's the 934 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: primary reason why 935 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,460 Senator Joel Villanueva: why 936 01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:30,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: why this 937 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: our human resources 938 01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: would go for greener pastures 939 01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:36,740 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman 940 01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:38,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you, sorry for interrupting 941 01:15:38,420 --> 01:15:41,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Likewise, as mentioned by Chairperson 942 01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:42,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Gamaliel Cordoba earlier 943 01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:44,880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: they're improving 944 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa HMO at this yung health 945 01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: benefits so probably you can 946 01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: briefly you can 947 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: inform 948 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of what you have done for the health 949 01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:56,340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: benefits 950 01:15:56,340 --> 01:15:58,340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ang isa po kunwari 951 01:15:58,340 --> 01:16:00,400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: na inayos namin would be for 952 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:01,520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: we already 953 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: got an HMO 954 01:16:03,940 --> 01:16:06,200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: medyo mataas po ang coverage 955 01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:07,500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: for our employees 956 01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:09,780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and then of course 957 01:16:09,780 --> 01:16:12,100 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: tuloy-tuloy naman po yung 958 01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:13,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: yung ibang ginagawa namin 959 01:16:13,700 --> 01:16:14,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: like 960 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:19,240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: pero ito po sana meron kaming 961 01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: proposal kung kami po inyong matutulungan 962 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:22,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ayan na, Mr. Chairman 963 01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Meron po kasi kaming 964 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: proposed law 965 01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: on the exemption from the SSL 966 01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and retirement system of the Commission on Audit 967 01:16:31,940 --> 01:16:34,260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kung ano po yung magpapatulong kami sa inyo 968 01:16:34,260 --> 01:16:36,220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kasi po very important lang yung work po 969 01:16:36,220 --> 01:16:37,300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ng aming mga accountants 970 01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:39,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: I would support that, Mr. Chairman 971 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,280 Senator Joel Villanueva: and I'd be happy to push for it 972 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,660 Senator Joel Villanueva: Your Honor, Mr. Chairman 973 01:16:43,660 --> 01:16:46,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: I really think with all these 974 01:16:46,260 --> 01:16:48,000 Senator Joel Villanueva: things that we're talking about 975 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,700 Senator Joel Villanueva: the percentage of workers 976 01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:52,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: that lives 977 01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,320 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman 978 01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,580 Senator Joel Villanueva: na-experience namin yan sa TESDA 979 01:16:56,580 --> 01:16:58,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: during those times when we were trying 980 01:16:58,720 --> 01:16:59,640 Senator Joel Villanueva: to get as much 981 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:00,980 Senator Joel Villanueva: as we can 982 01:17:00,980 --> 01:17:03,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: a number of assessors 983 01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:04,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: teachers 984 01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:06,920 Senator Joel Villanueva: for example, yung master welders 985 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: master carpenters 986 01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:11,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: after training for quite some time 987 01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:12,880 Senator Joel Villanueva: we give scholarships pa 988 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,060 Senator Joel Villanueva: pagkatapos nilang gumraduate 989 01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:16,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: they would go abroad, definitely 990 01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:18,880 Senator Joel Villanueva: because 300,000 versus 991 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,000 Senator Joel Villanueva: 30,000, it's so easy to make 992 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:21,640 Senator Joel Villanueva: that decision 993 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,900 Senator Joel Villanueva: for a blue-collar job 994 01:17:24,900 --> 01:17:26,920 Senator Joel Villanueva: so, ang problema nun 995 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung mga schools 996 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:29,480 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung mga test 997 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:34,380 Senator Joel Villanueva: regulated 998 01:17:34,380 --> 01:17:36,520 Senator Joel Villanueva: not regulated, everything is regulated by TESDA 999 01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:37,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: TESDA 1000 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,400 Senator Joel Villanueva: TEIs 1001 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:41,220 Senator Joel Villanueva: TESDA 1002 01:17:41,220 --> 01:17:43,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: what do you call that? 1003 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung mga hawak ng TESDA 1004 01:17:46,620 --> 01:17:49,120 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung directly being administered 1005 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: TESDA administered schools 1006 01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:52,580 Senator Joel Villanueva: TESDA administered schools 1007 01:17:52,580 --> 01:17:53,840 Senator Joel Villanueva: nauubusan ng guro 1008 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,660 Senator Joel Villanueva: nauubusan ng guro 1009 01:17:55,660 --> 01:17:58,380 Senator Joel Villanueva: in the middle of the program 1010 01:17:58,380 --> 01:17:59,660 Senator Joel Villanueva: mag-aabroad 1011 01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,340 Senator Joel Villanueva: itong nakaraang mga World Cup 1012 01:18:02,340 --> 01:18:03,320 Senator Joel Villanueva: lahat yan 1013 01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,860 Senator Joel Villanueva: until now nga may tumatawag sa akin 1014 01:18:05,860 --> 01:18:07,160 Senator Joel Villanueva: for example, yung METI 1015 01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,700 Senator Joel Villanueva: Middle East Institute of Technology 1016 01:18:10,700 --> 01:18:12,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: tumawag po sa akin 1017 01:18:12,940 --> 01:18:13,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: senador na po ako 1018 01:18:13,940 --> 01:18:17,160 Senator Joel Villanueva: he was looking for 4,000 welders 1019 01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: akala niya nasa TESDA pa 1020 01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:20,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: I connected with TESDA 1021 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,380 Senator Joel Villanueva: they were only able to give 1022 01:18:23,380 --> 01:18:26,340 Senator Joel Villanueva: parang less than 800 names 1023 01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:27,120 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman 1024 01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: and that's the main reason 1025 01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:29,560 Senator Joel Villanueva: why? 1026 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: why there's a big gap 1027 01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: dun sa skill sets ng mga gumagraduates 1028 01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:36,480 Senator Joel Villanueva: tsaka yung kailangan ng industry 1029 01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:37,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: and in this case 1030 01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:38,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: I really think na 1031 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,460 Senator Joel Villanueva: we cannot afford to 1032 01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:43,060 Senator Joel Villanueva: to lose our human resources 1033 01:18:43,060 --> 01:18:46,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't think 1034 01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:47,860 Senator Joel Villanueva: kailangan umasa na tayo 1035 01:18:47,860 --> 01:18:48,640 Senator Joel Villanueva: at this time 1036 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: kumasa na tayo sa robots lahat 1037 01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,060 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman 1038 01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:55,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator Villanueva 1039 01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: siguro updating lang 1040 01:18:56,580 --> 01:18:57,460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa guidelines dun 1041 01:18:57,460 --> 01:18:59,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa mga confidentialities 1042 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:00,600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and intelligence fund 1043 01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: total, ano kasi ito eh 1044 01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,900 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: very hot issue 1045 01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:04,920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: very hot topic 1046 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:05,880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: just to clarify 1047 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:06,720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para lang ba 1048 01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:07,920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yung mga 1049 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: at least yung mga issues 1050 01:19:09,740 --> 01:19:10,420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and confusion 1051 01:19:10,420 --> 01:19:11,560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: can be addressed 1052 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I can ask such a person 1053 01:19:13,540 --> 01:19:14,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Coro, ma'am 1054 01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:15,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Assistant Commissioner 1055 01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:16,440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Nilda Plaras 1056 01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:17,840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kasi medyo familiar 1057 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yung pangalan nyo ngayon lately 1058 01:19:19,060 --> 01:19:20,620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: tanong ko lang 1059 01:19:20,620 --> 01:19:21,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ha? 1060 01:19:21,460 --> 01:19:21,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ilan ba? 1061 01:19:22,420 --> 01:19:22,760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: oo nga 1062 01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:23,760 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ilang notices 1063 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of disallowance 1064 01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:26,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: na-issue ninyo na? 1065 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:27,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ah, isa lang po 1066 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:27,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: okay po 1067 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sige po 1068 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:28,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: okay po 1069 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:29,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: okay po 1070 01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:30,200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: we understand that 1071 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the guidelines of 1072 01:19:31,180 --> 01:19:32,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: governing the entitlement 1073 01:19:32,860 --> 01:19:34,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: release, use, reporting 1074 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:35,080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and audit 1075 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:36,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of confidential intelligence funds 1076 01:19:36,580 --> 01:19:37,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: are contained 1077 01:19:37,380 --> 01:19:38,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in the joint circular 1078 01:19:38,860 --> 01:19:41,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: issued on January 8, 2015 1079 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,720 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: as I mentioned 1080 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:43,440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: consider the issues 1081 01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:43,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and conditions 1082 01:19:43,860 --> 01:19:45,500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that have arisen 1083 01:19:45,500 --> 01:19:47,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: particularly on compliance 1084 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: with the guidelines 1085 01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:48,980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and the use of 1086 01:19:48,980 --> 01:19:50,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: special disbursing 1087 01:19:50,060 --> 01:19:51,020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: officers 1088 01:19:51,020 --> 01:19:51,940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or SDOs 1089 01:19:51,940 --> 01:19:52,620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in handling 1090 01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:53,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and liquidating 1091 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:54,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: these funds 1092 01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: do you think 1093 01:19:55,060 --> 01:19:56,080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: it is time to review 1094 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:56,640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and update 1095 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the joint circular? 1096 01:19:57,900 --> 01:19:58,560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: if yes 1097 01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:59,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: what specific provisions 1098 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:00,680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: should be clarified 1099 01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:01,440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or strengthened 1100 01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:02,820 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: particularly 1101 01:20:02,820 --> 01:20:03,980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: on the designation 1102 01:20:03,980 --> 01:20:05,160 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: responsibilities 1103 01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:06,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and accountability 1104 01:20:06,220 --> 01:20:07,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of SDOs 1105 01:20:07,060 --> 01:20:08,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: as well as the documentation 1106 01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:09,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: liquidation 1107 01:20:09,580 --> 01:20:10,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and audit 1108 01:20:10,220 --> 01:20:11,020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of confidential 1109 01:20:11,020 --> 01:20:12,320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and intelligence funds 1110 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ah, thank you 1111 01:20:13,940 --> 01:20:14,600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mr. Chair 1112 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ah, ang sasagot po 1113 01:20:16,060 --> 01:20:16,800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: on our side 1114 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:17,180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay si 1115 01:20:17,180 --> 01:20:18,340 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Commissioner Douglas 1116 01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:18,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Mallillin po 1117 01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:19,460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: salamat 1118 01:20:19,460 --> 01:20:20,540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yes, Commissioner Malilin 1119 01:20:20,540 --> 01:20:21,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ah, please 1120 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:22,960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: you now have the floor 1121 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, good afternoon 1122 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, Mr. Chair 1123 01:20:25,620 --> 01:20:27,500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, Senator Villanueva 1124 01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:29,080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, we have 1125 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, after 1126 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, all the concerns 1127 01:20:32,420 --> 01:20:33,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and issues that were raised 1128 01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:35,100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: regarding the confidential fund 1129 01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:37,280 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, we were taking a look 1130 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:38,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at the joint memorandum circular 1131 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,360 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which was issued in 2015 1132 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: practically 11 years ago 1133 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and 1134 01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:44,500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the 1135 01:20:44,500 --> 01:20:46,340 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: last 1136 01:20:46,340 --> 01:20:47,780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: circular that was issued 1137 01:20:47,780 --> 01:20:48,300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: by COA 1138 01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:49,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: was also in 1992 1139 01:20:49,540 --> 01:20:50,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and 1140 01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:51,920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, we find that 1141 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: there are certain revisions 1142 01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:54,360 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that need to be 1143 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, 1144 01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:56,600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: modified 1145 01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:57,440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: or revised 1146 01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:58,100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: as far as the 1147 01:20:58,100 --> 01:20:58,920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: joint memorandum circular 1148 01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: if I may 1149 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the joint circular is 1150 01:21:02,460 --> 01:21:03,820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, was issued 1151 01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:05,140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: not solely by COA 1152 01:21:05,140 --> 01:21:06,120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: this was with 1153 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the DBM 1154 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,340 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the Department of National Defense 1155 01:21:09,340 --> 01:21:10,200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the DILG 1156 01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:11,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the 1157 01:21:11,420 --> 01:21:13,800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the GCG as well 1158 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: so 1159 01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: this covers 1160 01:21:16,580 --> 01:21:17,680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the intelligence funds 1161 01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:18,780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the confidential funds 1162 01:21:18,780 --> 01:21:20,160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and we have identified 1163 01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:21,880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: certain areas 1164 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:23,060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that need 1165 01:21:23,060 --> 01:21:24,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, further looking into 1166 01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:25,740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we will be sitting down 1167 01:21:25,740 --> 01:21:26,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: with these agencies 1168 01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:28,920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, with regard to 1169 01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:30,660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: what supporting documents 1170 01:21:30,660 --> 01:21:32,040 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: or what has been termed 1171 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:32,960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: as the documents 1172 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,040 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: evidencing payment 1173 01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: as far as their contents 1174 01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:36,920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: specific 1175 01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the specific data 1176 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:39,960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that should be contained therein 1177 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: how we should be able 1178 01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:43,280 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to identify 1179 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:44,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: assuming 1180 01:21:44,540 --> 01:21:46,080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: aliases or code names 1181 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:46,600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: are 1182 01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:47,740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: allowed 1183 01:21:47,740 --> 01:21:49,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, there may be 1184 01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:50,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a certain item 1185 01:21:50,540 --> 01:21:51,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: or a certain requirement 1186 01:21:51,700 --> 01:21:52,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: where we have 1187 01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:53,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a single person 1188 01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: who has knowledge 1189 01:21:55,020 --> 01:21:56,300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the actual identities 1190 01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:57,200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of these persons 1191 01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:57,900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: as done 1192 01:21:57,900 --> 01:21:58,560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: in foreign jurisdictions 1193 01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:00,360 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: then 1194 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the lack of 1195 01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:03,680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: evidence of success 1196 01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:04,860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the causal links 1197 01:22:04,860 --> 01:22:07,140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which is a very critical feature 1198 01:22:07,140 --> 01:22:07,660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: on 1199 01:22:07,660 --> 01:22:09,140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the matter of rewards 1200 01:22:09,140 --> 01:22:10,320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: rewards being 1201 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:10,820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a 1202 01:22:10,820 --> 01:22:12,500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: part of the enumeration 1203 01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:13,000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of what 1204 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: confidential funds 1205 01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:15,340 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and intelligent funds 1206 01:22:15,340 --> 01:22:16,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, can be spent for 1207 01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: then the more critical is 1208 01:22:19,420 --> 01:22:20,820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which is a point of concern 1209 01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:22,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: is how to protect 1210 01:22:22,540 --> 01:22:23,240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the identity 1211 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:23,880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of 1212 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, the informants 1213 01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:26,160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and 1214 01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:27,340 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, as well as 1215 01:22:27,340 --> 01:22:28,960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: from whom 1216 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:29,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we purchase 1217 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:30,500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: information from 1218 01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:31,380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: however 1219 01:22:31,380 --> 01:22:33,300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: there should be a balance 1220 01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:34,380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: between protecting 1221 01:22:34,380 --> 01:22:35,120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the identity 1222 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but also 1223 01:22:36,180 --> 01:22:36,900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a point of 1224 01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:38,160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: where COA 1225 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:39,960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: based on certain clearances 1226 01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:40,780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: can actually 1227 01:22:40,780 --> 01:22:41,440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, 1228 01:22:42,340 --> 01:22:42,920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: take a look 1229 01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:43,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at the identity 1230 01:22:43,700 --> 01:22:44,260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the person 1231 01:22:44,260 --> 01:22:45,260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: without compromising 1232 01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:46,260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: national security 1233 01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:47,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the confidentiality 1234 01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:48,720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the activity 1235 01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: there is also 1236 01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:50,980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a need 1237 01:22:50,980 --> 01:22:51,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to take a look 1238 01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:52,120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at 1239 01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:52,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, 1240 01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: storage 1241 01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:55,300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the documents 1242 01:22:55,300 --> 01:22:56,440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, COA 1243 01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:57,500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and the other agencies 1244 01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:58,160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: are also 1245 01:22:58,160 --> 01:22:58,820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: taking a look 1246 01:22:58,820 --> 01:22:59,320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at 1247 01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:00,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the process 1248 01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:01,080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of 1249 01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:02,200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: issuing the 1250 01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:02,980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: credit notices 1251 01:23:02,980 --> 01:23:04,160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and 1252 01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:05,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: how the notice 1253 01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:06,180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of disallowance 1254 01:23:06,180 --> 01:23:06,900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: should actually 1255 01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:07,680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: be dealt with 1256 01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and we have 1257 01:23:10,420 --> 01:23:11,100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a few more 1258 01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:12,120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but we deem 1259 01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:12,940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: this to be minor 1260 01:23:12,940 --> 01:23:13,600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but overall 1261 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:14,220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ah, 1262 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:15,160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we discussed 1263 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:15,940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the major points 1264 01:23:15,940 --> 01:23:16,680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that we're looking 1265 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:17,040 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at 1266 01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: reforming 1267 01:23:18,180 --> 01:23:19,060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the joint circular 1268 01:23:19,060 --> 01:23:19,880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: thank you po 1269 01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:21,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, 1270 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,520 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know 1271 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:24,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: how to start 1272 01:23:24,260 --> 01:23:25,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: Commissioner 1273 01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:26,660 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mallillin 1274 01:23:26,660 --> 01:23:26,980 Senator Joel Villanueva: and 1275 01:23:26,980 --> 01:23:27,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, 1276 01:23:28,820 --> 01:23:29,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: you yourself 1277 01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:30,580 Senator Joel Villanueva: made mention 1278 01:23:30,580 --> 01:23:31,340 Senator Joel Villanueva: that this has been 1279 01:23:31,340 --> 01:23:32,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: around for 11 years now 1280 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:33,520 Senator Joel Villanueva: and ah, 1281 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:35,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm sure you're monitoring 1282 01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:35,920 Senator Joel Villanueva: what's happening 1283 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:36,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: in the ah, 1284 01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:37,580 Senator Joel Villanueva: during the impeachment 1285 01:23:37,580 --> 01:23:38,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, 1286 01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:38,740 Senator Joel Villanueva: proceedings 1287 01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:39,160 Senator Joel Villanueva: no? 1288 01:23:39,700 --> 01:23:40,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: and ah, 1289 01:23:40,900 --> 01:23:41,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: me as a lawyer 1290 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,760 Senator Joel Villanueva: as a non-lawyer 1291 01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: would always 1292 01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:46,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: ask questions 1293 01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:47,480 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa mga abogado 1294 01:23:47,480 --> 01:23:48,360 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano ba yung ganito 1295 01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:49,220 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano ba yung ganyan 1296 01:23:49,220 --> 01:23:50,320 Senator Joel Villanueva: and ah, 1297 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:51,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: it's good that 1298 01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:51,580 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, 1299 01:23:51,700 --> 01:23:52,980 Senator Joel Villanueva: you are here 1300 01:23:52,980 --> 01:23:54,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: because we wanted 1301 01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:55,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: to get more information 1302 01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:56,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: so we can 1303 01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:57,120 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, 1304 01:23:57,480 --> 01:23:58,480 Senator Joel Villanueva: be adept 1305 01:23:58,480 --> 01:23:58,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: in 1306 01:23:58,820 --> 01:24:17,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: scrutinizing what has been going on. For example, the difference of disbursement or disbursing and transferring. You made mention also of the use of aliases. I'm not sure 1307 01:24:17,620 --> 01:24:18,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: if anyone 1308 01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:18,360 Senator Joel Villanueva: of 1309 01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:18,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: anyone 1310 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:19,560 Senator Joel Villanueva: perhaps 1311 01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:20,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: assistant 1312 01:24:20,260 --> 01:24:21,280 Senator Joel Villanueva: Commissioner 1313 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:21,760 Senator Joel Villanueva: Plaras 1314 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:22,640 Senator Joel Villanueva: knows about this 1315 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:23,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: with regard 1316 01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:24,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the AOMs 1317 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:25,640 Senator Joel Villanueva: that were 1318 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:26,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: issued 1319 01:24:26,420 --> 01:24:27,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: notice of 1320 01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:28,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: suspension 1321 01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:28,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: and 1322 01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:29,460 Senator Joel Villanueva: notice of 1323 01:24:29,460 --> 01:24:30,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: disallowance 1324 01:24:30,180 --> 01:24:30,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: of course 1325 01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:30,880 Senator Joel Villanueva: we don't 1326 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:31,160 Senator Joel Villanueva: we don't 1327 01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:31,540 Senator Joel Villanueva: want to talk 1328 01:24:31,540 --> 01:24:32,140 Senator Joel Villanueva: about the 1329 01:24:32,140 --> 01:24:33,360 Senator Joel Villanueva: the case 1330 01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:33,860 Senator Joel Villanueva: per se 1331 01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:34,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: but 1332 01:24:34,180 --> 01:24:35,360 Senator Joel Villanueva: but 1333 01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:35,760 Senator Joel Villanueva: in 1334 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:36,060 Senator Joel Villanueva: in 1335 01:24:36,060 --> 01:24:36,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: in 1336 01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:36,760 Senator Joel Villanueva: in 1337 01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:36,980 Senator Joel Villanueva: in 1338 01:24:36,980 --> 01:24:37,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: this 1339 01:24:37,180 --> 01:24:37,820 Senator Joel Villanueva: particular 1340 01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:38,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, 1341 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:39,920 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, 1342 01:24:40,220 --> 01:24:40,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, 1343 01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:41,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: proceedings 1344 01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:42,880 Senator Joel Villanueva: no one 1345 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:43,520 Senator Joel Villanueva: actually brought 1346 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:44,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: the aliases 1347 01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:44,480 Senator Joel Villanueva: eh 1348 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:45,120 Senator Joel Villanueva: dun sa mga 1349 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: decisions 1350 01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:46,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: I mean 1351 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:47,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: the COA 1352 01:24:47,260 --> 01:24:48,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah, 1353 01:24:49,220 --> 01:24:50,400 Senator Joel Villanueva: COA AOMs 1354 01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:50,820 Senator Joel Villanueva: NS 1355 01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:51,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: and 1356 01:24:51,180 --> 01:24:51,880 Senator Joel Villanueva: NDs 1357 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:52,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: no? 1358 01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:52,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: but 1359 01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:53,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: it's really 1360 01:24:53,620 --> 01:24:53,980 Senator Joel Villanueva: the 1361 01:24:53,980 --> 01:24:54,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: the 1362 01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:55,780 Senator Joel Villanueva: the protocol 1363 01:24:55,780 --> 01:24:56,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: para lang alam namin 1364 01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,400 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa paggamit 1365 01:24:58,400 --> 01:24:58,660 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng 1366 01:24:58,660 --> 01:24:59,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: alias 1367 01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:02,210 Senator Joel Villanueva: and 1368 01:25:02,210 --> 01:25:03,450 Senator Joel Villanueva: your self-commissioner 1369 01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:04,430 Senator Joel Villanueva: may mention na 1370 01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:06,210 Senator Joel Villanueva: pwede mong gamitin 1371 01:25:06,210 --> 01:25:07,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: pero 1372 01:25:07,090 --> 01:25:08,690 Senator Joel Villanueva: at the same time 1373 01:25:08,690 --> 01:25:10,250 Senator Joel Villanueva: ah 1374 01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:11,290 Senator Joel Villanueva: you protect 1375 01:25:11,290 --> 01:25:12,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: the information 1376 01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:12,830 Senator Joel Villanueva: you protect 1377 01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:13,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: the informants 1378 01:25:13,870 --> 01:25:14,410 Senator Joel Villanueva: but 1379 01:25:14,410 --> 01:25:15,750 Senator Joel Villanueva: but 1380 01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:17,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: hindi po pwede 1381 01:25:17,070 --> 01:25:17,610 Senator Joel Villanueva: na 1382 01:25:17,610 --> 01:25:20,590 Senator Joel Villanueva: na para-para lang 1383 01:25:20,590 --> 01:25:21,830 Senator Joel Villanueva: na sasabihin mo lang 1384 01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:22,610 Senator Joel Villanueva: at wala kang 1385 01:25:22,610 --> 01:25:23,330 Senator Joel Villanueva: kahit anong 1386 01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:24,050 Senator Joel Villanueva: pruweba 1387 01:25:24,050 --> 01:25:25,150 Senator Joel Villanueva: and in this 1388 01:25:25,150 --> 01:25:26,710 Senator Joel Villanueva: and at this point 1389 01:25:26,710 --> 01:25:27,410 Senator Joel Villanueva: I wanted to ask 1390 01:25:27,410 --> 01:25:28,490 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano yung pruweba 1391 01:25:28,490 --> 01:25:28,950 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano yung 1392 01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:29,770 Senator Joel Villanueva: yahanapin 1393 01:25:29,770 --> 01:25:30,770 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng COA 1394 01:25:30,770 --> 01:25:32,470 Senator Joel Villanueva: would AR 1395 01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:33,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: suffice 1396 01:25:33,070 --> 01:25:34,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: when would be AR 1397 01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:34,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: suffice 1398 01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:35,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: diba? 1399 01:25:35,390 --> 01:25:36,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: and again 1400 01:25:36,130 --> 01:25:37,250 Senator Joel Villanueva: for the sake 1401 01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:37,910 Senator Joel Villanueva: of 1402 01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:39,670 Senator Joel Villanueva: the public 1403 01:25:39,670 --> 01:25:40,750 Senator Joel Villanueva: we are not talking about 1404 01:25:40,750 --> 01:25:41,850 Senator Joel Villanueva: a particular case here 1405 01:25:41,850 --> 01:25:42,530 Senator Joel Villanueva: we are talking about 1406 01:25:42,530 --> 01:25:43,270 Senator Joel Villanueva: the general 1407 01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:45,030 Senator Joel Villanueva: auditing 1408 01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:46,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: policies 1409 01:25:46,130 --> 01:25:47,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: in all 1410 01:25:47,870 --> 01:25:48,950 Senator Joel Villanueva: the 1411 01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:49,730 Senator Joel Villanueva: intelligence 1412 01:25:49,730 --> 01:25:50,370 Senator Joel Villanueva: funds 1413 01:25:50,370 --> 01:25:52,370 Senator Joel Villanueva: na 1414 01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:53,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: nagsimula 1415 01:25:53,130 --> 01:25:53,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: noong 2015 1416 01:25:53,870 --> 01:25:54,610 Senator Joel Villanueva: Commissioner 1417 01:25:54,610 --> 01:25:55,370 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yes 1418 01:25:55,370 --> 01:25:55,770 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: please 1419 01:25:55,770 --> 01:25:56,310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Commissioner 1420 01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:57,890 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: maganda ho yan 1421 01:25:57,890 --> 01:25:59,330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so it can be clarified 1422 01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:59,650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kasi hindi na po 1423 01:25:59,650 --> 01:26:00,510 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: hindi naman pwede sabihin 1424 01:26:00,510 --> 01:26:00,870 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: na 1425 01:26:00,870 --> 01:26:02,030 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa WNW 1426 01:26:02,030 --> 01:26:03,190 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: na pag sinabing 1427 01:26:03,190 --> 01:26:04,170 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: confidential 1428 01:26:04,170 --> 01:26:05,310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or intelligence fund 1429 01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:06,470 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: hindi na accountable 1430 01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:07,510 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so can you 1431 01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:08,210 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: make it 1432 01:26:08,210 --> 01:26:09,610 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: can you clarify 1433 01:26:09,610 --> 01:26:10,410 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para at least 1434 01:26:10,410 --> 01:26:10,770 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ngayon po 1435 01:26:10,770 --> 01:26:11,770 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: mas pang malinaw na 1436 01:26:11,770 --> 01:26:12,990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: especially now 1437 01:26:12,990 --> 01:26:13,990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that our policy 1438 01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:14,730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: now in this 1439 01:26:14,730 --> 01:26:15,650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: budget 1440 01:26:15,650 --> 01:26:17,750 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: hearings 1441 01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:18,630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: now that we will 1442 01:26:18,630 --> 01:26:19,090 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: only 1443 01:26:19,090 --> 01:26:20,950 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: give 1444 01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:21,630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: confidential 1445 01:26:21,630 --> 01:26:22,630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and intelligence fund 1446 01:26:22,630 --> 01:26:23,110 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to those 1447 01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:23,990 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that are involved 1448 01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:25,550 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in law enforcement 1449 01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:26,730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: national security 1450 01:26:26,730 --> 01:26:27,890 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and investigations 1451 01:26:27,890 --> 01:26:28,930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: no 1452 01:26:28,930 --> 01:26:29,350 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and 1453 01:26:29,650 --> 01:26:30,430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the civilian agencies 1454 01:26:30,430 --> 01:26:31,970 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: will not be given 1455 01:26:31,970 --> 01:26:32,350 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: anymore 1456 01:26:32,350 --> 01:26:32,950 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so siguro 1457 01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:34,650 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: just for clarity 1458 01:26:34,650 --> 01:26:35,630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para maklarify lang 1459 01:26:35,630 --> 01:26:36,470 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: maganda yung ano ni 1460 01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:37,010 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Senator Villanueva 1461 01:26:37,010 --> 01:26:37,330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: please 1462 01:26:37,330 --> 01:26:39,230 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: maraming salamat po 1463 01:26:39,230 --> 01:26:40,910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung tanong nyo po 1464 01:26:40,910 --> 01:26:42,730 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang sinabi po namin 1465 01:26:42,730 --> 01:26:43,370 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kanina is 1466 01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:44,530 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: something moving forward 1467 01:26:44,530 --> 01:26:46,410 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: if we were to revise 1468 01:26:46,410 --> 01:26:47,570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the joint memorandum 1469 01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:48,030 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: circular 1470 01:26:48,030 --> 01:26:48,810 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na 1471 01:26:48,810 --> 01:26:50,710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: tandaan ho natin 1472 01:26:50,710 --> 01:26:51,510 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na the joint 1473 01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:52,450 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: memorandum circular 1474 01:26:52,450 --> 01:26:53,170 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: was 1475 01:26:53,170 --> 01:26:54,030 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: a draft 1476 01:26:54,030 --> 01:26:54,910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: was drafted 1477 01:26:54,910 --> 01:26:56,570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: by multiple agencies 1478 01:26:56,570 --> 01:26:56,930 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po 1479 01:26:56,930 --> 01:26:58,290 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: gustuhin man ho 1480 01:26:58,290 --> 01:26:58,790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ng COA 1481 01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:59,490 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at the time 1482 01:26:59,490 --> 01:26:59,630 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na 1483 01:26:59,650 --> 01:27:01,470 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pwede wala po kami 1484 01:27:01,470 --> 01:27:02,070 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ni chairman 1485 01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:03,250 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nung panahon na yun 1486 01:27:03,250 --> 01:27:05,170 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na ilagay ho lahat 1487 01:27:05,170 --> 01:27:05,550 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ng 1488 01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:06,630 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: prueba 1489 01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:08,290 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: o substantial 1490 01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:09,190 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: documentation 1491 01:27:09,190 --> 01:27:10,910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we also 1492 01:27:10,910 --> 01:27:12,330 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: respected the views 1493 01:27:12,330 --> 01:27:13,410 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the other agencies 1494 01:27:13,410 --> 01:27:14,470 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: who dealt with 1495 01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:15,070 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: this type of 1496 01:27:15,070 --> 01:27:15,750 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the activity 1497 01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:16,950 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which is intelligence 1498 01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:17,890 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and confidential 1499 01:27:17,890 --> 01:27:19,170 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activities 1500 01:27:19,170 --> 01:27:21,090 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but moving forward po 1501 01:27:21,090 --> 01:27:22,410 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: moving forward po 1502 01:27:22,410 --> 01:27:24,790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we find it 1503 01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:25,910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: very important 1504 01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:27,310 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: because the 1505 01:27:27,310 --> 01:27:27,790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: accountability 1506 01:27:27,790 --> 01:27:28,990 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: substantiation 1507 01:27:28,990 --> 01:27:29,490 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: identification 1508 01:27:29,490 --> 01:27:30,850 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: is now a critical 1509 01:27:30,850 --> 01:27:31,870 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: part of the activity 1510 01:27:31,870 --> 01:27:33,850 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: so moving forward po 1511 01:27:33,850 --> 01:27:35,090 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but ang problema 1512 01:27:35,090 --> 01:27:36,830 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho natin sa ngayon po 1513 01:27:36,830 --> 01:27:39,090 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: without dealing 1514 01:27:39,090 --> 01:27:40,150 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: with the specifics po 1515 01:27:40,150 --> 01:27:41,690 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the present joint 1516 01:27:41,690 --> 01:27:42,970 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: memorandum circular po 1517 01:27:42,970 --> 01:27:43,930 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: does not 1518 01:27:43,930 --> 01:27:45,710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: exactly prohibit 1519 01:27:45,710 --> 01:27:47,430 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nor does it 1520 01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:48,310 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: really 1521 01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:49,710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: straightforwardly 1522 01:27:49,710 --> 01:27:50,150 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: allow 1523 01:27:50,150 --> 01:27:50,910 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the use of 1524 01:27:50,910 --> 01:27:51,350 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: aliases 1525 01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:53,110 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang critical nga po 1526 01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:53,870 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dito is 1527 01:27:53,870 --> 01:27:54,810 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: on the part of 1528 01:27:54,810 --> 01:27:55,570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the operational 1529 01:27:55,570 --> 01:27:56,170 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: agencies 1530 01:27:56,170 --> 01:27:57,210 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: is 1531 01:27:57,210 --> 01:27:58,430 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the matter of 1532 01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:59,470 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the 1533 01:27:59,490 --> 01:28:00,370 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: program itself 1534 01:28:00,370 --> 01:28:01,390 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: behind 1535 01:28:01,390 --> 01:28:02,490 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the confidential 1536 01:28:02,490 --> 01:28:03,330 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: expenses 1537 01:28:03,330 --> 01:28:03,790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: or the 1538 01:28:03,790 --> 01:28:05,010 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: intelligence expenses 1539 01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:06,590 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yun po 1540 01:28:06,590 --> 01:28:07,710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang nakikita namin 1541 01:28:07,710 --> 01:28:08,770 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: importante 1542 01:28:08,770 --> 01:28:10,050 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: based on the 1543 01:28:10,050 --> 01:28:10,570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: present 1544 01:28:10,570 --> 01:28:12,830 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: drafting 1545 01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:13,710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the circular 1546 01:28:13,710 --> 01:28:14,890 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: but moving forward po 1547 01:28:14,890 --> 01:28:16,030 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: napapansin po namin 1548 01:28:16,030 --> 01:28:17,250 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: that further 1549 01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:17,790 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: controls 1550 01:28:17,790 --> 01:28:18,410 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: has to be 1551 01:28:18,410 --> 01:28:19,190 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: placed on this 1552 01:28:19,190 --> 01:28:20,230 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: because 1553 01:28:20,230 --> 01:28:21,990 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: if COA comes in 1554 01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:22,710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and looks for 1555 01:28:22,710 --> 01:28:23,710 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: certain identities 1556 01:28:23,710 --> 01:28:24,390 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: tulad ho ng 1557 01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:25,110 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sinasabing 1558 01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:25,590 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: vault 1559 01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:27,610 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: baka ho yung 1560 01:28:27,610 --> 01:28:28,570 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: auditor ho namin 1561 01:28:28,570 --> 01:28:29,370 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang mapasok ko sa 1562 01:28:29,370 --> 01:28:29,470 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: vault 1563 01:28:29,490 --> 01:28:32,430 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pero biro lang po 1564 01:28:32,430 --> 01:28:32,970 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: I know 1565 01:28:32,970 --> 01:28:34,230 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: are certain 1566 01:28:34,230 --> 01:28:35,330 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sensitivities po 1567 01:28:35,330 --> 01:28:36,870 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: regarding identity 1568 01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:38,570 Senator Joel Villanueva: I will not put you 1569 01:28:38,570 --> 01:28:39,370 Senator Joel Villanueva: on the spot 1570 01:28:39,370 --> 01:28:40,330 Senator Joel Villanueva: Commissioner 1571 01:28:40,330 --> 01:28:41,270 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mallillin 1572 01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:41,530 Senator Joel Villanueva: but 1573 01:28:41,530 --> 01:28:43,770 Senator Joel Villanueva: when I was 1574 01:28:43,770 --> 01:28:44,830 Senator Joel Villanueva: listening to the 1575 01:28:44,830 --> 01:28:45,890 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the 1576 01:28:45,890 --> 01:28:48,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the 1577 01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:49,170 Senator Joel Villanueva: explanation 1578 01:28:49,170 --> 01:28:50,550 Senator Joel Villanueva: and 1579 01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:50,990 Senator Joel Villanueva: the 1580 01:28:50,990 --> 01:28:51,730 Senator Joel Villanueva: provisions 1581 01:28:51,730 --> 01:28:52,770 Senator Joel Villanueva: behind the 1582 01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:54,290 Senator Joel Villanueva: joint memorandum 1583 01:28:54,290 --> 01:28:56,750 Senator Joel Villanueva: without 1584 01:28:56,750 --> 01:28:57,590 Senator Joel Villanueva: without going 1585 01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:57,950 Senator Joel Villanueva: through 1586 01:28:57,950 --> 01:28:58,470 Senator Joel Villanueva: or 1587 01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:58,510 Senator Joel Villanueva: or 1588 01:28:58,510 --> 01:28:58,930 Senator Joel Villanueva: or 1589 01:28:58,930 --> 01:28:59,470 Senator Joel Villanueva: or 1590 01:28:59,490 --> 01:29:00,150 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know 1591 01:29:00,150 --> 01:29:00,670 Senator Joel Villanueva: talking about 1592 01:29:00,670 --> 01:29:02,970 Senator Joel Villanueva: any particular case 1593 01:29:02,970 --> 01:29:04,170 Senator Joel Villanueva: I find it 1594 01:29:04,170 --> 01:29:04,890 Senator Joel Villanueva: I find it 1595 01:29:04,890 --> 01:29:05,290 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano eh 1596 01:29:05,290 --> 01:29:07,750 Senator Joel Villanueva: I think there are 1597 01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:08,630 Senator Joel Villanueva: some loopholes 1598 01:29:08,630 --> 01:29:10,670 Senator Joel Villanueva: in that particular 1599 01:29:10,670 --> 01:29:12,330 Senator Joel Villanueva: joint memorandum 1600 01:29:12,330 --> 01:29:13,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: circular 1601 01:29:13,090 --> 01:29:14,450 Senator Joel Villanueva: and 1602 01:29:14,450 --> 01:29:16,910 Senator Joel Villanueva: and you yourself 1603 01:29:16,910 --> 01:29:17,590 Senator Joel Villanueva: were saying 1604 01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:22,510 Senator Joel Villanueva: and I wanted to ask you 1605 01:29:22,510 --> 01:29:23,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: you think 1606 01:29:23,070 --> 01:29:24,330 Senator Joel Villanueva: because I strongly believe 1607 01:29:24,330 --> 01:29:25,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: that it should be 1608 01:29:25,090 --> 01:29:25,610 Senator Joel Villanueva: revisited 1609 01:29:25,610 --> 01:29:26,490 Senator Joel Villanueva: do you think that 1610 01:29:26,490 --> 01:29:27,470 Senator Joel Villanueva: it should be revisited 1611 01:29:27,470 --> 01:29:28,690 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yes po 1612 01:29:28,690 --> 01:29:29,370 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we agree po 1613 01:29:29,370 --> 01:29:29,650 Senator Joel Villanueva: yeah 1614 01:29:29,650 --> 01:29:30,890 Senator Joel Villanueva: because there's a problem 1615 01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:31,350 Senator Joel Villanueva: there eh 1616 01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:31,950 Senator Joel Villanueva: for example 1617 01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:32,770 Senator Joel Villanueva: dun sa 1618 01:29:32,770 --> 01:29:35,590 Senator Joel Villanueva: role of a 1619 01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:36,710 Senator Joel Villanueva: disbursement 1620 01:29:36,710 --> 01:29:37,610 Senator Joel Villanueva: officer 1621 01:29:37,610 --> 01:29:38,570 Senator Joel Villanueva: siya ba talaga 1622 01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:39,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung 1623 01:29:39,070 --> 01:29:40,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: tanging 1624 01:29:40,090 --> 01:29:41,190 Senator Joel Villanueva: nag-iisa 1625 01:29:41,190 --> 01:29:43,030 Senator Joel Villanueva: na magdi-disburse 1626 01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:43,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: lahat ng funds 1627 01:29:43,870 --> 01:29:44,590 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa lahat ng 1628 01:29:44,590 --> 01:29:45,210 Senator Joel Villanueva: informants 1629 01:29:45,210 --> 01:29:45,910 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa buong Pilipinas 1630 01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:46,650 Senator Joel Villanueva: you don't expect 1631 01:29:46,650 --> 01:29:47,750 Senator Joel Villanueva: I mean I don't think 1632 01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:48,730 Senator Joel Villanueva: COA is expecting 1633 01:29:48,730 --> 01:29:49,550 Senator Joel Villanueva: a 1634 01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:51,150 Senator Joel Villanueva: single individual 1635 01:29:51,150 --> 01:29:52,250 Senator Joel Villanueva: who would do that 1636 01:29:52,250 --> 01:29:53,530 Senator Joel Villanueva: or 1637 01:29:53,530 --> 01:29:54,270 Senator Joel Villanueva: pupwede ba 1638 01:29:54,270 --> 01:29:54,810 Senator Joel Villanueva: up to 1639 01:29:54,810 --> 01:29:56,050 Senator Joel Villanueva: what extent 1640 01:29:56,050 --> 01:29:57,530 Senator Joel Villanueva: the disbursement 1641 01:29:57,530 --> 01:29:58,670 Senator Joel Villanueva: officer 1642 01:29:58,670 --> 01:29:59,990 Senator Joel Villanueva: would be able 1643 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: to delegate 1644 01:30:02,100 --> 01:30:04,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: dahil dun sa memorandum 1645 01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:05,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: hindi. And 1646 01:30:05,420 --> 01:30:07,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: you know, I'm also 1647 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,780 Senator Joel Villanueva: interested on this particular 1648 01:30:09,780 --> 01:30:11,360 Senator Joel Villanueva: issues because 1649 01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,920 Senator Joel Villanueva: ang mga LGUs mayroon din eh. 1650 01:30:14,340 --> 01:30:16,280 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mga local government units. And I think 1651 01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,320 Senator Joel Villanueva: you know, during 1652 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:19,860 Senator Joel Villanueva: the hearings 1653 01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:22,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: may mga LGU officials 1654 01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,060 Senator Joel Villanueva: asking or texting me 1655 01:30:24,060 --> 01:30:26,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: parang takot na takot na din 1656 01:30:26,260 --> 01:30:28,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: sila. How do they use 1657 01:30:28,020 --> 01:30:29,760 Senator Joel Villanueva: their intelligence funds, etc. 1658 01:30:30,300 --> 01:30:32,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung iba ayaw na. Yung iba 1659 01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,000 Senator Joel Villanueva: sinasabi naman na hindi namin 1660 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,860 Senator Joel Villanueva: afford na hindi gamitin. 1661 01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:37,780 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kailangan talaga namin, etc. 1662 01:30:38,700 --> 01:30:39,540 Senator Joel Villanueva: Sir, please. 1663 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,040 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Magandang tanong ho yun. 1664 01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:42,900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ganito po. 1665 01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:45,720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Sa Joint Memorandum Circular, 1666 01:30:45,980 --> 01:30:47,840 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang requirement po, 1667 01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the SDO must be the one personally 1668 01:30:50,220 --> 01:30:52,600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to hand over the cash 1669 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dun sa recipient 1670 01:30:54,020 --> 01:30:56,020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dahil po at the end 1671 01:30:56,020 --> 01:30:56,850 Senator Joel Villanueva: End user to no? 1672 01:30:56,850 --> 01:30:57,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Yes po. 1673 01:30:57,480 --> 01:30:59,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Exactly. Because po, 1674 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: magbibigay po itong 1675 01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: SDO ng certification 1676 01:31:03,300 --> 01:31:05,860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na inabot nga po niya 1677 01:31:05,860 --> 01:31:07,380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung pera sa tao na to. 1678 01:31:08,380 --> 01:31:09,780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Wala pong limitasyon 1679 01:31:09,780 --> 01:31:11,180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kung ilang SDO po 1680 01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:13,780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang pwedeng gamitin 1681 01:31:13,780 --> 01:31:15,520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po ng isang opisina. Kung 1682 01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: lokasyon po ang problema, tulad 1683 01:31:17,620 --> 01:31:19,560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho nung simula po Aparri 1684 01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:21,440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: hanggang Jolo, ang 1685 01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:22,460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kailangan hong bigyan, 1686 01:31:23,300 --> 01:31:25,740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nasa head of agency o nasa ahensya 1687 01:31:25,740 --> 01:31:27,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po, ang pamamaraan kung 1688 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sino ang assigned SDO. 1689 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang importante 1690 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: lang po sa SDO ay 1691 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: may mga requirements po eh. 1692 01:31:36,820 --> 01:31:37,980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Accountable officer, 1693 01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:38,780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: bonded, 1694 01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: at ang wala naman po 1695 01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:43,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sinatawag tayong 1696 01:31:43,540 --> 01:31:45,240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang iisa lang po pwede. 1697 01:31:46,340 --> 01:31:47,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang ginagawa po ay 1698 01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to make everyone accountable. 1699 01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Lalong-lalong na po kung malaki-laki 1700 01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:52,860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho yung pera. 1701 01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Iba-ibang SDO dahil iba-iba 1702 01:31:55,740 --> 01:31:56,860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: naman po yung programa. 1703 01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:58,860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Maraming agencies. 1704 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Based with the SDOs po 1705 01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: because ang importante po 1706 01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ay maparating ho yung 1707 01:32:06,380 --> 01:32:07,920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pondo at yung 1708 01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,360 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: SDO po, dapat kakilala rin po 1709 01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:11,520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: niya yung pinagbibigyan. 1710 01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:14,000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Dahil yung magbibigay ho ng 1711 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: acknowledgement receipt o yung tinatawag 1712 01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: naming documents evidencing 1713 01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: payment ay yung mismo pong 1714 01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:20,820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kaharap niya. 1715 01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:23,940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Meron pa nga hong 1716 01:32:23,940 --> 01:32:25,800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pangalawang dokumento o libro 1717 01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na nire-require sa SDO po. 1718 01:32:27,820 --> 01:32:29,800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Hindi lang po yung tinatawag 1719 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: naming acknowledgement receipt. 1720 01:32:32,780 --> 01:32:34,240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ito po yung, meron pong 1721 01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:35,920 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: journal requirement po yan eh 1722 01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na tinatago niya, nilalagay sa vault. 1723 01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,480 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Nasa Joint Memorandum 1724 01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:41,100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Circular po. 1725 01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:43,800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pati si 1726 01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:44,780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: IF. 1727 01:32:45,540 --> 01:32:47,000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: IF only. 1728 01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:48,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pati sa 1729 01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: military. 1730 01:32:51,820 --> 01:32:53,580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Sa military po, iba ang 1731 01:32:53,580 --> 01:32:56,380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: proseso ng mga dokumento. 1732 01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:58,160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pero meron pong libro 1733 01:32:58,160 --> 01:32:59,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na requirement na 1734 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:00,880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sige. 1735 01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:02,480 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Yung, yun lang po. 1736 01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Basta, yung SDO po 1737 01:33:04,220 --> 01:33:05,180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: can be multiple. 1738 01:33:05,460 --> 01:33:06,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: There is no limit. 1739 01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:08,820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: As long as proper management 1740 01:33:08,820 --> 01:33:10,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and proper bonding and 1741 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:11,880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: accountability can be had. 1742 01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:12,840 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yes, because it would be 1743 01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:14,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: extremely impossible 1744 01:33:14,620 --> 01:33:16,480 Senator Joel Villanueva: for just one person to 1745 01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:17,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: distribute all these 1746 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: funds nationwide. 1747 01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:22,360 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, yun. 1748 01:33:22,820 --> 01:33:24,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ano ho, sa akin yun, no? 1749 01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:25,700 Senator Joel Villanueva: Game changer yun. 1750 01:33:25,740 --> 01:33:26,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung nasabi nyo, hindi naman 1751 01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:27,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: kailangan isa lang. 1752 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:29,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: And another thing that I'd like 1753 01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:30,460 Senator Joel Villanueva: to ask. 1754 01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,380 Senator Joel Villanueva: In the Joint Memorandum 1755 01:33:32,380 --> 01:33:33,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Circular, 1756 01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:36,920 Senator Joel Villanueva: on the issue of rewards, 1757 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung successful 1758 01:33:40,020 --> 01:33:41,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: dapat bago bigyan ng 1759 01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:42,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: reward, no? 1760 01:33:43,660 --> 01:33:44,000 Senator Joel Villanueva: And, 1761 01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,580 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa militar, 1762 01:33:47,020 --> 01:33:48,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa LGUs, 1763 01:33:49,480 --> 01:33:50,840 Senator Joel Villanueva: as a matter of policy, 1764 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:52,640 Senator Joel Villanueva: when you're buying an 1765 01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:53,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: information, definitely, 1766 01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:56,740 Senator Joel Villanueva: you don't expect them to 1767 01:33:56,740 --> 01:33:58,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: give you an official receipt. 1768 01:33:58,840 --> 01:33:59,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Unlike if it is, 1769 01:33:59,960 --> 01:34:01,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: medicine or 1770 01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,040 Senator Joel Villanueva: equipment 1771 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: or gamit, office 1772 01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:06,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: equipment, no? 1773 01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:07,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: But if you're 1774 01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,060 Senator Joel Villanueva: trying to get information, 1775 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:12,860 Senator Joel Villanueva: yeah, I would assume yung 1776 01:34:12,860 --> 01:34:14,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: acknowledgement receipt is 1777 01:34:14,180 --> 01:34:16,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: will suffice. 1778 01:34:17,540 --> 01:34:18,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: But, 1779 01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:20,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: can you use it 1780 01:34:20,420 --> 01:34:22,360 Senator Joel Villanueva: for reward system? 1781 01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:23,660 Senator Joel Villanueva: Because the 1782 01:34:23,660 --> 01:34:25,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: joint circular 1783 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,160 Senator Joel Villanueva: is very strict on the use 1784 01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:29,880 Senator Joel Villanueva: of the category, 1785 01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:31,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: reward, na dapat 1786 01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,340 Senator Joel Villanueva: successful. And then, how do you define 1787 01:34:34,340 --> 01:34:36,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: successful? When you prevent something 1788 01:34:36,420 --> 01:34:38,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: from happening, a bad 1789 01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:40,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: thing that would happen, na prevent 1790 01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:42,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng information, etc. 1791 01:34:44,820 --> 01:34:45,860 Senator Joel Villanueva: That's considered 1792 01:34:45,860 --> 01:34:48,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: successful. Pero, who would 1793 01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:49,280 Senator Joel Villanueva: also say na 1794 01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,300 Senator Joel Villanueva: successful? 1795 01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:54,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: I mean, I'm sorry, I have 1796 01:34:54,420 --> 01:34:56,380 Senator Joel Villanueva: multiple questions there, but I think 1797 01:34:56,380 --> 01:34:58,440 Senator Joel Villanueva: you get my point. And I just want to be 1798 01:34:58,440 --> 01:34:59,400 Senator Joel Villanueva: clarified as to, 1799 01:34:59,960 --> 01:35:02,040 Senator Joel Villanueva: what we can do and how we can 1800 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:03,740 Senator Joel Villanueva: improve and 1801 01:35:03,740 --> 01:35:05,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: clearly explain to the public 1802 01:35:05,940 --> 01:35:07,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: our current policy. 1803 01:35:09,340 --> 01:35:10,120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Thank you for 1804 01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:10,800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the question, po. 1805 01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:13,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Our present joint memorandum 1806 01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: circular, po, under 1807 01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:17,660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: clause 4.8, 1808 01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:19,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dito po nakalista kung saan 1809 01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,780 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pwedeng gastusin ang confidential funds. 1810 01:35:23,060 --> 01:35:23,660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Magkaibang 1811 01:35:23,660 --> 01:35:25,720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: magkaiba po ang purchase 1812 01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of information. Ito po yung 1813 01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: unang paragraph, yung unang numero. 1814 01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:31,840 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Yung payment of 1815 01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: rewards to informers, kakaibang 1816 01:35:33,860 --> 01:35:35,020 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: gastus po. 1817 01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:37,800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pag tinignan po nyo yung payment 1818 01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:38,840 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: to informants, 1819 01:35:40,180 --> 01:35:41,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: simpleng-simple lang po ito. 1820 01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:43,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Kailangan lang po ito para 1821 01:35:43,700 --> 01:35:45,460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pag-formulate ng programa, 1822 01:35:46,060 --> 01:35:47,980 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: mga aktividades at mga proyekto 1823 01:35:47,980 --> 01:35:49,580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: for the national 1824 01:35:49,580 --> 01:35:51,380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: security and for peace and order. 1825 01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pag reward po ang pinag-uusapan 1826 01:35:55,700 --> 01:35:56,680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po natin, kakaiba. 1827 01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pag sinabi po natin reward, 1828 01:35:59,500 --> 01:36:01,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: may kaakibat na success. 1829 01:36:01,500 --> 01:36:04,100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: At mas mahigpit po 1830 01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:05,440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang pag-audit ng reward. 1831 01:36:06,140 --> 01:36:06,960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang sinasabi po, 1832 01:36:07,780 --> 01:36:09,460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the moment we pay rewards to 1833 01:36:09,460 --> 01:36:10,260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: informers, 1834 01:36:11,420 --> 01:36:13,600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang unang condition po, hindi po 1835 01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pwedeng empleyado ito ng ahensya. 1836 01:36:16,700 --> 01:36:17,480 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: So dapat po 1837 01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:19,660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: outside the agency. 1838 01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:21,720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang pangalawang condition po, 1839 01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:23,620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dapat approve po ito 1840 01:36:23,620 --> 01:36:25,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ng ulo ng ahensya or the head 1841 01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:26,560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the agency, 1842 01:36:28,780 --> 01:36:30,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: and if it is a GOCC, 1843 01:36:30,540 --> 01:36:32,660 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung chairman po ng kanyang 1844 01:36:32,660 --> 01:36:34,680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: board. Yung pangalawang 1845 01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:36,520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: requirement po, it is 1846 01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,120 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: supported with documents 1847 01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: evidencing the success of the 1848 01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:42,560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: information gathering and 1849 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:43,940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: surveillance activities. 1850 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Hindi ho ito limitado 1851 01:36:46,540 --> 01:36:47,960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: sa pag-aresto, 1852 01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:50,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: dahil kaya nga ho nabigan na reward. 1853 01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:52,740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Hindi kailangan na makonvict 1854 01:36:52,740 --> 01:36:53,900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: bago may bigay reward. 1855 01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Importante lang po, may positibong 1856 01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nangyari, at 1857 01:36:58,440 --> 01:37:00,440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung reward, kaya ho inaabot. 1858 01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:02,580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Pag wala pa hong 1859 01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:04,620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: success, assuming gusto 1860 01:37:04,620 --> 01:37:06,640 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: lang ho natin ayusin 1861 01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:08,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung programa o yung confidential 1862 01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activity, hindi po reward yun. 1863 01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:11,900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Payment of information. 1864 01:37:13,020 --> 01:37:14,900 Senator Joel Villanueva: Explain further yung third 1865 01:37:14,900 --> 01:37:15,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: ninyo. 1866 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,480 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung binanggit po ninyo, I'm sorry, 1867 01:37:18,940 --> 01:37:20,480 Senator Joel Villanueva: I might not be able to catch 1868 01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:22,760 Senator Joel Villanueva: some phrases you mentioned. Dun sa third, 1869 01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:24,660 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung sa una, yung 1870 01:37:24,660 --> 01:37:26,700 Senator Joel Villanueva: success, not an employee, head of 1871 01:37:26,700 --> 01:37:28,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: the agency approving the 1872 01:37:28,180 --> 01:37:30,520 Senator Joel Villanueva: reward. 1873 01:37:30,740 --> 01:37:31,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: And then yung third? 1874 01:37:31,420 --> 01:37:31,540 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung third? 1875 01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:37,180 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: It must be supported 1876 01:37:37,180 --> 01:37:39,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: with documents evidencing 1877 01:37:39,540 --> 01:37:41,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the success of the information 1878 01:37:41,420 --> 01:37:43,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: gathering or surveillance 1879 01:37:43,700 --> 01:37:45,680 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activities on account 1880 01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:47,520 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the information given by 1881 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:48,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: the informer. 1882 01:37:49,540 --> 01:37:51,320 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: So, kailangan 1883 01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,140 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: may preba ng success. 1884 01:37:53,860 --> 01:37:55,560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Kung very general po yung 1885 01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:56,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: wording ng success, 1886 01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:58,220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: medyo 1887 01:37:58,220 --> 01:38:01,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: proof there. Diyan sa 1888 01:38:01,020 --> 01:38:02,120 Senator Joel Villanueva: latest 1889 01:38:02,580 --> 01:38:04,300 Senator Joel Villanueva: statement, the proof there would be 1890 01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:05,780 Senator Joel Villanueva: nothing happened. 1891 01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Sabihin lang po natin, we're looking at 1892 01:38:08,500 --> 01:38:08,960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: PDEA. 1893 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:12,960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Nag-surveillance. 1894 01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:14,800 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Binigyan ho niyan, 1895 01:38:15,900 --> 01:38:17,460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nung una, nagbigay ho siya ng 1896 01:38:17,460 --> 01:38:19,820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: payment for information. 1897 01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:22,260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: So, based on that, 1898 01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,480 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: may natiktikan po silang 1899 01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:26,560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: let's say po, courier or 1900 01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:26,900 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: pusher. 1901 01:38:28,180 --> 01:38:30,580 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: The moment po, based on that information, 1902 01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: nahuli po yung pusher. 1903 01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:34,760 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang mangyayari po dyan, 1904 01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:37,060 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: so, may payment 1905 01:38:37,060 --> 01:38:37,740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of success, 1906 01:38:38,580 --> 01:38:40,820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ang preba ho could be affidavits 1907 01:38:40,820 --> 01:38:42,720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of arrest of police 1908 01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:43,300 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: personnel, 1909 01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: detention, mga litrato 1910 01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:48,720 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: po na nangyari to nung panahon 1911 01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,620 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na to, nahuli to dahil sa 1912 01:38:50,620 --> 01:38:51,460 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: impormasyon na to. 1913 01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:53,960 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Hindi, kung 1914 01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: acknowledgement receipt lang po ang binigay natin 1915 01:38:56,380 --> 01:38:58,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: for reward, it will 1916 01:38:58,540 --> 01:39:00,240 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: not comply po with this. 1917 01:39:00,540 --> 01:39:02,500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: So, ang mangyayari 1918 01:39:02,500 --> 01:39:04,280 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho dyan, disallowed ho kaagad, dahil 1919 01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: hindi ho napatunayan 1920 01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:07,100 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung success. 1921 01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: In that particular situation and 1922 01:39:10,260 --> 01:39:12,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: example that you have given us, 1923 01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:13,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: kahit hindi mahuli, pero 1924 01:39:13,940 --> 01:39:16,380 Senator Joel Villanueva: nalaman, natuntun, this is the same 1925 01:39:16,380 --> 01:39:18,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: group that they are after, kahit 1926 01:39:18,180 --> 01:39:20,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: hindi nahuli, nakatakas, pero alam, 1927 01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:22,480 Senator Joel Villanueva: tama yung information na nakuha, 1928 01:39:23,060 --> 01:39:24,360 Senator Joel Villanueva: that's, ano, pwedeng 1929 01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:25,280 Senator Joel Villanueva: bigyan ng reward yun. 1930 01:39:25,580 --> 01:39:28,500 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Magkakaroon po ng documentation ngayon 1931 01:39:28,500 --> 01:39:30,880 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: na natunugan yung 1932 01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:31,200 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: grupo. 1933 01:39:32,500 --> 01:39:34,160 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Tapos, sabihin ho natin, 1934 01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:34,940 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: surveillance. 1935 01:39:36,540 --> 01:39:37,380 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yes. 1936 01:39:37,380 --> 01:39:38,400 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: At the same time po, 1937 01:39:38,860 --> 01:39:40,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: magkakaroon ng mga dokumento 1938 01:39:40,700 --> 01:39:42,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ho yan. But, importante 1939 01:39:42,540 --> 01:39:44,740 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung dokumento na yun. May pang-apat po. 1940 01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:46,560 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: It must be 1941 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:48,440 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: directly related to the conduct 1942 01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:50,260 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: of the specific confidential 1943 01:39:50,260 --> 01:39:52,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activities of authorized agencies. 1944 01:39:54,700 --> 01:39:56,420 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Kaya nga po, kung titinan ho nyo 1945 01:39:56,420 --> 01:39:58,000 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: yung kabuuan ng confidential 1946 01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,600 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: activities, meron ho ang proposal 1947 01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:01,820 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: which is the program. 1948 01:40:02,500 --> 01:40:04,280 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang kasunod po nun ay, 1949 01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:06,700 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: ito, mandato ng ahensya. 1950 01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:08,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: Ang kasunod po nun, 1951 01:40:09,020 --> 01:40:10,860 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: kung hindi po konektado at napakalayo 1952 01:40:10,860 --> 01:40:11,380 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: naman po, 1953 01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,540 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: we might be violating po, the last 1954 01:40:14,540 --> 01:40:16,220 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: condition for payment of 1955 01:40:16,220 --> 01:40:17,080 COA Commissioner Douglas Michael N. Mallillin: rewards po. 1956 01:40:25,580 --> 01:40:27,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Related to their programs or advocacies 1957 01:40:27,940 --> 01:40:29,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: or mandate of the 1958 01:40:29,500 --> 01:40:30,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: agency. 1959 01:40:30,980 --> 01:40:32,220 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. 1960 01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman, if I will go to 1961 01:40:35,500 --> 01:40:37,840 Senator Joel Villanueva: another topic, 1962 01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:39,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: if we... 1963 01:40:39,500 --> 01:40:41,300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Meron lang ano, singit lang 1964 01:40:41,300 --> 01:40:43,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Senator Villanueva, your indulgence. 1965 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Question from media, ano na daw 1966 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ang status ni COA Commissioner 1967 01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:49,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Mario Lipana na sumabit 1968 01:40:49,580 --> 01:40:50,960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: din sa flood control scandal? 1969 01:40:51,740 --> 01:40:53,840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Update lang, and then si Senator Villanueva na. 1970 01:40:54,420 --> 01:40:55,660 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yeah, Mr. Chair, 1971 01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:57,040 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Senator Villanueva, si 1972 01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:59,560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: si ano po, si Commissioner Lipana 1973 01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:01,680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: is naka-leave po siya 1974 01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: because of medical... 1975 01:41:07,410 --> 01:41:08,330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pero matagal na, no? 1976 01:41:08,530 --> 01:41:10,090 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Medyo matagal na yung kanyang condition, no? 1977 01:41:10,090 --> 01:41:11,850 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, pero sometimes po, 1978 01:41:12,290 --> 01:41:13,770 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: pumapasok naman siya, sometimes hindi. 1979 01:41:14,270 --> 01:41:15,430 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Because he goes to 1980 01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:17,650 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Singapore po ata for 1981 01:41:17,650 --> 01:41:19,830 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: for treatment. 1982 01:41:23,670 --> 01:41:25,290 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Up to when is the authorized na no? 1983 01:41:25,410 --> 01:41:26,350 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yung kanyang medical leave? 1984 01:41:27,730 --> 01:41:29,190 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: I just don't have the 1985 01:41:29,190 --> 01:41:30,230 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: details. Pero 1986 01:41:30,230 --> 01:41:33,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: hanggang next week. 1987 01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Hanggang next week po, your honors. 1988 01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:37,440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: September 7 po. 1989 01:41:38,380 --> 01:41:40,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: September 9, sorry. So it's September 9. 1990 01:41:41,420 --> 01:41:42,640 Senator Joel Villanueva: You know, I... 1991 01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:45,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: It's kind of 1992 01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:49,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: something that 1993 01:41:49,180 --> 01:41:51,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: is very dear to my heart, itong 1994 01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:52,740 Senator Joel Villanueva: flood control 1995 01:41:52,740 --> 01:41:55,840 Senator Joel Villanueva: issues, especially in my 1996 01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:57,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: beloved province. 1997 01:41:57,820 --> 01:41:59,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: And Senator JV would attest to this. 1998 01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,160 Senator Joel Villanueva: I have been raising this particular issue 1999 01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:03,820 Senator Joel Villanueva: for quite 2000 01:42:03,820 --> 01:42:05,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: some time since 2020. 2001 01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:07,700 Senator Joel Villanueva: And every year, and just recently, 2002 01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:09,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: I stood again in the plenary to 2003 01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:11,840 Senator Joel Villanueva: deliver a privileged speech on this particular 2004 01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:13,860 Senator Joel Villanueva: topic. I am not 2005 01:42:13,860 --> 01:42:15,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: in any way 2006 01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: leaving. 2007 01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:19,920 Senator Joel Villanueva: On this particular topic 2008 01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:22,120 Senator Joel Villanueva: because this is one of the main reasons 2009 01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:24,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: why I run for the Senate. 2010 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:26,220 Senator Joel Villanueva: And unfortunately, 2011 01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:27,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: ito nga ho yung nangyari. 2012 01:42:28,460 --> 01:42:30,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: Just recently, baha ho 2013 01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:31,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa loob mismo ng bahay namin, 2014 01:42:31,740 --> 01:42:32,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman. 2015 01:42:33,260 --> 01:42:35,160 Senator Joel Villanueva: And it's getting worse. 2016 01:42:35,940 --> 01:42:38,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung mga lugar na... 2017 01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:40,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ako, maniwala 2018 01:42:40,100 --> 01:42:42,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: kahit sa hindi, 50 anos na ako. 2019 01:42:42,620 --> 01:42:44,040 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pero in 50 years, di ko pa 2020 01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:45,580 Senator Joel Villanueva: nakitang pinasok yung 2021 01:42:45,580 --> 01:42:47,360 Senator Joel Villanueva: ilang mga lugar sa amin, 2022 01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:50,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: aming probinsya. So, this is 2023 01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:52,000 Senator Joel Villanueva: the worst. I am 2024 01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:53,320 Senator Joel Villanueva: telling you, this is the worst. 2025 01:42:54,900 --> 01:42:55,840 Senator Joel Villanueva: Of course, hindi lang 2026 01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: ang sinisisi natin 2027 01:42:58,020 --> 01:43:00,120 Senator Joel Villanueva: yung flood control projects. 2028 01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:01,920 Senator Joel Villanueva: Merong issue ng 2029 01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:03,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: basura, may issue ng 2030 01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:06,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: global warming, 2031 01:43:06,220 --> 01:43:07,820 Senator Joel Villanueva: etc. Siyempre, main yung 2032 01:43:07,820 --> 01:43:09,720 Senator Joel Villanueva: flood control 2033 01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:11,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: projects. And I've been 2034 01:43:11,620 --> 01:43:13,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: sounding like a broken 2035 01:43:13,940 --> 01:43:15,900 Senator Joel Villanueva: record. Palpak yung mga 2036 01:43:15,900 --> 01:43:17,380 Senator Joel Villanueva: flood control projects. 2037 01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: I can show you all the 2038 01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,040 Senator Joel Villanueva: TSNs here. In this particular 2039 01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,040 Senator Joel Villanueva: room, ilang beses na nag-hearing dito. 2040 01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:25,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: Paulit-ulit po ako. 2041 01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:27,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: Hindi integrated yung 2042 01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,900 Senator Joel Villanueva: walang master plan, hindi integrated, 2043 01:43:30,060 --> 01:43:32,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: etc. So, ang tatanong ko sa COA, 2044 01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:34,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: I remember na 2045 01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: kayo po ay nagko-conduct 2046 01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:37,640 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng mga fraud audits 2047 01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,000 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa, particularly ho, 2048 01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:41,420 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa probinsya namin. And 2049 01:43:41,420 --> 01:43:43,560 Senator Joel Villanueva: please, no holds barred po ito. 2050 01:43:44,060 --> 01:43:45,620 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pwede nyo po bang sabihin kung 2051 01:43:45,620 --> 01:43:47,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: ano ho yung naging resulta? 2052 01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pwede nyo rin sabihin, kahit sa 2053 01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:51,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: harap ni Chairman JV, hindi po ako 2054 01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,120 Senator Joel Villanueva: mahihiya sabihin kung 2055 01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:56,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: si Joel Villanueva ba 2056 01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:58,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: kasama dyan sa mga projects 2057 01:43:58,260 --> 01:43:59,560 Senator Joel Villanueva: ng flood control, 2058 01:44:00,140 --> 01:44:01,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa mga nakita po ng COA. 2059 01:44:01,980 --> 01:44:04,020 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know if this has been 2060 01:44:04,020 --> 01:44:06,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: publicized already. Mr. Chairman, 2061 01:44:06,380 --> 01:44:07,300 Senator Joel Villanueva: if we can, thank you. 2062 01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:09,080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, 2063 01:44:10,340 --> 01:44:11,460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Senator Villanueva. 2064 01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:14,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Okay, i-reiterate ko lang po 2065 01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:16,220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: yung reason kung ba't sa Bulacan po kami 2066 01:44:16,220 --> 01:44:16,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: nag-start. 2067 01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:22,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: 98 billion or 18% 2068 01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:24,040 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: of the total worth of 2069 01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:25,780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: flood control projects implemented by 2070 01:44:25,780 --> 01:44:27,940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: DPWH from 2022 to 2025 2071 01:44:27,940 --> 01:44:29,420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay sa Bulacan po napunta. 2072 01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:31,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: 18, almost 20%. 2073 01:44:31,900 --> 01:44:34,060 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And then, ah sorry, region 3 2074 01:44:34,060 --> 01:44:34,980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: po pala, region 3. 2075 01:44:36,140 --> 01:44:37,360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, opo. And then 2076 01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,820 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: almost 50% of that 2077 01:44:39,820 --> 01:44:41,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: or 45% to be exact 2078 01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ay nasa Bulacan po. 2079 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:45,740 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, dun po talaga kami 2080 01:44:45,740 --> 01:44:48,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: nag-concentrate. So, as of 2081 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: today, nagkaroon po kami 2082 01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:50,560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ng... 2083 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:53,900 Senator Joel Villanueva: How many projects? Kung ilan po ito? 2084 01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:54,980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Marami po ito. 2085 01:44:55,620 --> 01:44:56,020 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Marami. 2086 01:44:56,100 --> 01:44:57,960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Marami po ito. But so far 2087 01:44:57,960 --> 01:44:59,800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang fraud audit po namin, tuloy-tuloy 2088 01:44:59,800 --> 01:44:59,940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: naman. 2089 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,180 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So far, nasa almost 50 na po kami. 2090 01:45:02,860 --> 01:45:03,660 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Almost 50. 2091 01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:05,860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And then, iba-iba po yung nakita namin. 2092 01:45:06,020 --> 01:45:10,300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But marami po sa kanila talagang defective or non-existent. 2093 01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:16,440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, yun po ang aming naging conclusion doon sa fraud audit. 2094 01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:18,740 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, we issued notice of disallowances. 2095 01:45:19,420 --> 01:45:25,140 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And we already submitted this to the Office of the Ombudsman. 2096 01:45:25,140 --> 01:45:30,220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Dati po, nung nandiyan pa po yung ICI, we submitted the ICI to the Office of the Ombudsman also. 2097 01:45:31,020 --> 01:45:35,540 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Now, doon po kasi sa mga NDs that we issued and sa flood control projects, 2098 01:45:35,540 --> 01:45:40,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: meron po kasi dyan tinatawag na persons liable. 2099 01:45:41,820 --> 01:45:47,840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, makikita po namin, we can submit it to you, we can submit it to the Honorable Finance Committee. 2100 01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,120 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: At makikita po nyo yung mga persons liable, nandoon naman po. 2101 01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:54,860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: It's really the DPWH people yung po nag-i-implement. 2102 01:45:54,860 --> 01:45:59,540 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Because it's the budget of the DPWH and it's their personnel po sa Bulacan. 2103 01:46:00,020 --> 01:46:05,960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Wala naman po si Sen. Joel doon at hindi naman siya implement or he's a legislator. 2104 01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:16,000 Senator Joel Villanueva: Would you know if there are projects being pushed by politicians in these particular areas na inaudit ninyo? 2105 01:46:16,420 --> 01:46:18,300 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Wala po kaming nakikita eh. 2106 01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:22,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But what we see is yung implementing agency which is the DPWH po. 2107 01:46:22,900 --> 01:46:25,920 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Nasa JA po kasi yun. 2108 01:46:25,940 --> 01:46:33,760 Senator Joel Villanueva: Can we also ask, dito sa 50 fraudulent, I mean 50 fraud audits, yung breakdown po binabanggit nyo, 2109 01:46:33,860 --> 01:46:38,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: some were ghosts, some were, do we have a breakdown already? 2110 01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:49,560 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kung ilan doon yung talagang ghosts, yung ilan doon yung substandard, extremely substandard materials yung ginamit? 2111 01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:52,080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We don't have it right now but we can submit po. 2112 01:46:52,900 --> 01:46:54,780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So far po, majority po, wala po siya. 2113 01:46:55,220 --> 01:47:03,540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: With the indulgence of Sen. Villanueva, siguro Chairman Lielo, we would like to, can you submit to the committee 2114 01:47:03,540 --> 01:47:12,420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: yung list ng inyo pong investigation on which projects are found to be irregular, yung pong may ghosts, 2115 01:47:12,420 --> 01:47:22,420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or basta hindi po substandard because our policy right now in this budget hearings is to resume flood 2116 01:47:22,900 --> 01:47:26,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: control projects to complete the uncompleted ones. 2117 01:47:26,380 --> 01:47:29,100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi nakita naman natin ang naging epekto ngayon. 2118 01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:39,660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Because for 2026 talagang ziniro, flood control, ang nangyari tuloy talagang may mga puwang, may mga gaps, mga uncompleted. 2119 01:47:39,860 --> 01:47:44,640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So which were said, kasi naipon mo yung tubig pero puwapasok naman yung tubig. 2120 01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:52,880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So our instruction is also to complete the uncompleted projects, tapusin yung mga dapat tapusin, close the gap, 2121 01:47:52,900 --> 01:48:00,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: but we would want a list of these projects which we would, yung inyo pong nag-undergo ng investigation 2122 01:48:00,860 --> 01:48:12,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: which are found to be fraudulent, yung pong substandard para po sa amin pong pag-review 2123 01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:17,180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and then we will only allow those uncompleted projects that are not irregular or fraudulent. 2124 01:48:17,180 --> 01:48:22,180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So we appreciate the submission of this investigation. 2125 01:48:22,900 --> 01:48:26,600 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We commit to submit that, Your Honor. 2126 01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:33,360 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Lahat po ng aming fraud audit reports, we'll also summarize it po para po mas madali makita. 2127 01:48:33,860 --> 01:48:38,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And at the same time, we'll also submit the report na comprehensive per item. 2128 01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:45,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Idagdag ko lang din po na as early as 2016, Your Honors, the Commission Audit in charge of the DPWH 2129 01:48:45,900 --> 01:48:51,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: has already issued an observation po na wala po kasing... 2130 01:48:52,900 --> 01:48:56,380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: master plan yung pong paggawa ng pong flood control. 2131 01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:00,740 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So kumbaga po kanya-kanya po siya, but I think it has to be closed. 2132 01:49:00,860 --> 01:49:02,560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Tama po kayo, nagkaroon ng gaps eh. 2133 01:49:02,660 --> 01:49:03,940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So kasi po wala master plan. 2134 01:49:04,700 --> 01:49:08,480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So there has to be a master plan and para lahat po nakasarado. 2135 01:49:08,660 --> 01:49:11,320 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Otherwise po, ang nangyari po kasi... 2136 01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:21,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sir, I'm a witness. My colleague here has been ranting about this year in and year out ever since 3-4 years ago. 2137 01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:25,340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang problema talaga, we were going back. 2138 01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:31,680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I had a post 2014 on the importance of a master plan for all projects. 2139 01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:41,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi lang flood control, but I have been advocating a master plan for infrastructure and national development 2140 01:49:41,060 --> 01:49:45,300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: which would include transport modernization, yung sa power, sa energy. 2141 01:49:45,940 --> 01:49:50,740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasaba na rin po yung water management and flood control. 2142 01:49:50,740 --> 01:49:51,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang nangyari dito... 2143 01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:51,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang nangyari dito... 2144 01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:56,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Siguro, Chairman Liel, yung ibang projects, sorry na lang po. 2145 01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:03,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kahit walang Regional Development Council approval, kahit wala sa master plan, kahit walang convergence, kahit hindi kailangan, 2146 01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: talagang isinagawa para pagkakitaan. 2147 01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:09,180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Mukhang gano'n na lumalabas, lalo rin sa mga nag-ghost. 2148 01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:14,300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So in order, I think we would need your [unclear]. 2149 01:50:16,260 --> 01:50:21,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: You'll be a big factor in how we will be able to bring back that confidence 2150 01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:25,620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and trust, especially in this budget season, by providing us with this list. 2151 01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:27,420 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yung pong hinihingi na api kanina. 2152 01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:29,880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tsaka yung pong, siguro yung pong isa tungkol sa master plan. 2153 01:50:30,540 --> 01:50:36,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Do you think, Chairman Liel, that in case we push itong talagang may master plan pa, 2154 01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:44,840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: this will definitely prevent occurrence of projects that are not needed and are intended only to, alam nyo na, 2155 01:50:45,300 --> 01:50:47,460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to enrich some people's pockets. 2156 01:50:48,220 --> 01:50:49,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi kailangan eh. 2157 01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:51,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So what are what we want now? 2158 01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:57,640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We want RDC approval or at least a provincial approval to make sure that these projects are needed. 2159 01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:00,780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi yung basta lang po project eh para pagkakitaan. 2160 01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:07,480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So I'm asking your guidance also and what you think na amin pong sinasagawa. 2161 01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:08,540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ito po yung hinihingi natin. 2162 01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:18,140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: RDC approval, program of works, tapos basta po nasa flood-prone, top 10 flood-prone provinces 2163 01:51:18,140 --> 01:51:20,880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: or it can be used as justification. 2164 01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:28,080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: There are 18 major river basins in the absence of a master plan. 2165 01:51:28,220 --> 01:51:35,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So siguro these are the considerations that we would have in order for us to approve flood control projects this time. 2166 01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:37,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So yung pong ano namin. 2167 01:51:37,460 --> 01:51:39,680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Siguro, ano na po, your thoughts, Chairperson? 2168 01:51:39,940 --> 01:51:42,500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We agree po, Your Honors. 2169 01:51:42,500 --> 01:51:49,560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually, sabi ko nga po sa inyo, as early as 2016, nag-issue na po ng observation ng Commission on Audit on that. 2170 01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:50,500 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And just to mention... 2171 01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:58,580 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: I understand when you were mayor po of San Juan, kasi dati po ang San Juan binabahat. 2172 01:51:58,700 --> 01:52:02,480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So I think when you were there, marami po kayong nagawa, kaya po nabawasan ito ng... 2173 01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:10,920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Actually, siguro, if flood control, if done right, can really be effective. 2174 01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:12,920 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Not to... 2175 01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:17,080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Hindi ko naman siya inaangat sa sarili. 2176 01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:20,780 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But you know, ano to, sinasabi ko, Sen. Villanueva, ano yung sa Navotas, 2177 01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:24,980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: under, ano to, below sea level. 2178 01:52:25,620 --> 01:52:35,600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pero by placing strategic pumping stations in strategic areas, natanggal nila Toby Tiangco yung baha. 2179 01:52:36,060 --> 01:52:37,940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Naginaya po namin sa San Juan. 2180 01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:42,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: We have about five or six barangays that are low-lying areas. 2181 01:52:42,740 --> 01:52:47,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Basin, na kahit dalawang linggo nang walang ulan, baha pa rin. 2182 01:52:47,260 --> 01:52:49,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dati, 15 to 20 feet, ang lalim. 2183 01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:51,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pero ngayon, halos na wala. 2184 01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:54,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Unfortunately, may isa na lang doon na naiwan, na inirata. 2185 01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:58,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Na nirequest ko kay Bonoan at kay Bernardo noon na hindi pinagbigyan. 2186 01:52:58,900 --> 01:53:01,620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ayaw kasi nung congressman namin dahil ayaw nung mayor. 2187 01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:04,080 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So may isa na lang doon nababaha. 2188 01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:06,980 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kung meron, yun na lang yung naiwan doon. 2189 01:53:06,980 --> 01:53:12,360 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So sabi ako, nagkiusap ko sa DPWH sila na kung ano pa mangyari, basta gawin nyo na lang. 2190 01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:17,560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So thank you for that, for yung pong sa San Juan na mention nyo. 2191 01:53:17,700 --> 01:53:20,100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And I think it was the Navotas that we followed. 2192 01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:25,020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Naging yung Bombastik pumps nila na kami pong ginaya. 2193 01:53:25,180 --> 01:53:25,540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you. 2194 01:53:26,220 --> 01:53:27,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sige po, please continue. 2195 01:53:27,820 --> 01:53:28,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: San Juan. 2196 01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,500 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 2197 01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:38,380 Senator Joel Villanueva: And let me put on record that I am a living testimony of what you have been espousing here in the Senate. 2198 01:53:38,380 --> 01:53:47,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: And since the time you were the mayor of the great city of San Juan, yung pinupush po ninyo na master plan. 2199 01:53:47,740 --> 01:53:51,240 Senator Joel Villanueva: At you're not only supporting me with the master plan ng flood control. 2200 01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:57,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: But yun nga po, ako, lagi akong supportive doon sa mga gusto nyo yung mga infrastructure projects, 2201 01:53:57,900 --> 01:54:01,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: especially doon sa transportation, sa railways, etc. 2202 01:54:01,500 --> 01:54:08,280 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kaya mapalad kayo, Senator JV, at nagawan ng paraan yung San Juan. 2203 01:54:08,700 --> 01:54:14,760 Senator Joel Villanueva: At kami hanggang ngayon sa Bulacan, still suffering. 2204 01:54:15,900 --> 01:54:21,260 Senator Joel Villanueva: Literally, figuratively, physically, mentally, and sometimes spiritually. 2205 01:54:21,260 --> 01:54:35,460 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman, just to put on record, Mr. Chairman, and I'd like to give this information to our COA family headed by Chairman Cordoba. 2206 01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:43,040 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung po sa amin sa Bulacan, for example, doon sa Paumbong, sa Paumbong, sa Barangay Cruz, 2207 01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:51,170 Senator Joel Villanueva: tsaka Barangay Masukol, eh hindi na po baha yung problema nila. 2208 01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:53,310 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kasi nasanay na po sila. 2209 01:54:53,530 --> 01:54:59,990 Senator Joel Villanueva: Na hanggang dibdib, lagpas tao, at kahit summer, bumabaha po sa kanila. 2210 01:55:00,450 --> 01:55:07,010 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ang problema po nila ngayon, unti-unti nang kinakain nung dagat, yung lupa, nung barangay. 2211 01:55:07,450 --> 01:55:14,310 Senator Joel Villanueva: Itong Barangay Santa Cruz, tsaka Barangay Masukol, about 3,000 siguro yung mga residents po dyan. 2212 01:55:14,590 --> 01:55:19,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: At unfortunately, sabi nga nila, hindi na yung baha problema namin. 2213 01:55:19,230 --> 01:55:21,830 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kasi kinakain na ng lupa, mabuburan na kami sa mapa. 2214 01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:28,790 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ganon din po yung kalagayan sa Hagonoy, Bulacan, sa Barangay Pugad at Barangay Tibagin. 2215 01:55:28,930 --> 01:55:31,350 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ano naman yung nangyari dito sa dalawang barangay na ito? 2216 01:55:32,030 --> 01:55:39,590 Senator Joel Villanueva: Before the fiasco, before this erupted, the kasuklam-suklam na mga pangyayari about flood control, 2217 01:55:40,450 --> 01:55:47,010 Senator Joel Villanueva: meron pong breakwater at seawall dyan sa dalawang barangay na yan. 2218 01:55:48,450 --> 01:55:49,390 Senator Joel Villanueva: Meron na po siya. 2219 01:55:49,390 --> 01:55:58,350 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pero dahil gagawin at palalakihin, patitibayin, i-strengthenin yung seawall, binakbak na po nila. 2220 01:55:58,470 --> 01:56:00,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: Sisimulan na eh, gagawin na po. 2221 01:56:00,630 --> 01:56:04,450 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nung gagawin na po, natigil lahat ngayon ng flood control. 2222 01:56:04,970 --> 01:56:05,950 Senator Joel Villanueva: So ano nangyari? 2223 01:56:06,350 --> 01:56:19,030 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nung binakbak, nasira lalo dahil bawal ang flood control, dahil maraming siraulong kurakot na dapat dyan. 2224 01:56:19,030 --> 01:56:24,990 Senator Joel Villanueva: Talagang ako, fight ako sa firing squad eh, sa mga taong ganyan eh. 2225 01:56:26,610 --> 01:56:28,150 Senator Joel Villanueva: Eh, hindi po ginawa. 2226 01:56:28,390 --> 01:56:37,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nung hindi po ginawa, hanggang ngayon ho, ilang taon na, na wala ho ni Pondo or anything, Mr. Chairman, wala ho at hindi na gagawa. 2227 01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:41,210 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nagsimula na rin pong kainin ng dagat yung lupa. 2228 01:56:41,810 --> 01:56:46,450 Senator Joel Villanueva: To cut the story short, ito hong mga barangay na ito, sa barangay Paumbong, 2229 01:56:47,150 --> 01:56:48,350 Senator Joel Villanueva: at barangay... 2230 01:56:48,350 --> 01:56:52,470 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ah, dun po sa bayan ng Paumbong, barangay Santa Cruz, barangay Masukol, 2231 01:56:52,890 --> 01:56:56,150 Senator Joel Villanueva: sa Hagunoy, barangay Pugat, barangay Tibagin, sa Hagunoy. 2232 01:56:56,730 --> 01:56:58,250 Senator Joel Villanueva: Eh, hindi na po problema nila yung ba. 2233 01:56:58,330 --> 01:57:02,570 Senator Joel Villanueva: Ang problema nila, mawawala na po sa mapa yung kanilang mga barangay. 2234 01:57:03,090 --> 01:57:06,450 Senator Joel Villanueva: There's one in barangay, Mr. Chairman, in Hagunoy, 2235 01:57:06,930 --> 01:57:12,310 Senator Joel Villanueva: na I have to call the attention of the DPWH Secretary because 2236 01:57:12,310 --> 01:57:16,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: I forgot the name of barangay. 2237 01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:17,270 Senator Joel Villanueva: I think Santa Cruz also. 2238 01:57:17,270 --> 01:57:25,230 Senator Joel Villanueva: In Hagunoy, meron naman po doon kasama doon sa problema na may kaso. 2239 01:57:26,370 --> 01:57:29,390 Senator Joel Villanueva: And according to them, may gate po eh, may gate. 2240 01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:32,350 Senator Joel Villanueva: Hindi ho magamit yung gate. Bumabaha na po. 2241 01:57:32,470 --> 01:57:36,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: Dahil ang sabi lang daw ay hindi po pwedeng galawin yan dahil may kaso yan. 2242 01:57:38,230 --> 01:57:45,410 Senator Joel Villanueva: The good thing, I don't know the real situation and ayokong makialam doon sa mga kaso-kasong ganyan 2243 01:57:45,410 --> 01:57:47,190 Senator Joel Villanueva: dahil ngayon pag nakialam, 2244 01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:48,370 Senator Joel Villanueva: kaya nadadamay ka eh. 2245 01:57:50,130 --> 01:57:56,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: Si Secretary Vince, nagutos right away, the next day ho, naggalaw po yung gate. 2246 01:57:56,550 --> 01:58:01,730 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't know kung nakipag-coordinate po yata sa COA or other agencies in the government. 2247 01:58:01,870 --> 01:58:04,470 Senator Joel Villanueva: But thanks to Sec. Vince, naggalaw po yun. 2248 01:58:04,990 --> 01:58:06,310 Senator Joel Villanueva: Malaking naging ginhawa. 2249 01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:09,150 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kasi imagine, yung gate lang, ibababa lang po, di ba? 2250 01:58:10,150 --> 01:58:12,510 Senator Joel Villanueva: Dahil lang daw po may kaso, hindi po ginawa. 2251 01:58:12,510 --> 01:58:16,510 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, nag-suffer yung buong barangay. 2252 01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:19,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yun lang po yung mga maliliit na bagay na gano'n. 2253 01:58:19,990 --> 01:58:23,650 Senator Joel Villanueva: And I hope, ang COA naman natin, hindi naman in the box yan. 2254 01:58:23,750 --> 01:58:28,170 Senator Joel Villanueva: I don't think yung COA natin, extremist yung mga COA auditors natin 2255 01:58:28,170 --> 01:58:36,490 Senator Joel Villanueva: para yung mga ganitong bagay na ito, hindi matulungan yung mga kababayan po natin. 2256 01:58:36,570 --> 01:58:41,750 Senator Joel Villanueva: So, yun lang po, Mr. Chairman, gusto kong ipaabot sa ating mga kasama sa COA 2257 01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:46,430 Senator Joel Villanueva: na malaking tulong ang kailangan ng mga kababayan natin. 2258 01:58:46,430 --> 01:58:50,770 Senator Joel Villanueva: Lalo na po doon sa mga apektado ng baha. 2259 01:58:51,530 --> 01:58:58,810 Senator Joel Villanueva: Dahil nakakasunog ang apoy, hindi na po tayo magluluto at papatayin natin sa gutom yung ating mga kababayan. 2260 01:58:59,130 --> 01:59:06,430 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm really not happy na wala hong flood control the past year program kahit na ito'y nararapat. 2261 01:59:07,370 --> 01:59:08,850 Senator Joel Villanueva: And records will bail me out. 2262 01:59:09,590 --> 01:59:14,650 Senator Joel Villanueva: Hindi ako sumuporta sa mga flood control programs because hindi ko nakikita na ito'y integrated 2263 01:59:14,650 --> 01:59:16,350 Senator Joel Villanueva: at may master plan. 2264 01:59:16,430 --> 01:59:17,490 Senator Joel Villanueva: That's the only reason. 2265 01:59:17,490 --> 01:59:25,750 Senator Joel Villanueva: And these committees in the Senate, mga senador nakasama ko at mga nakatrabaho ko, 2266 01:59:25,870 --> 01:59:31,450 Senator Joel Villanueva: alam po yung dahilan kung bakit ganito yung aking adhikain dito sa usapin nito. 2267 01:59:31,530 --> 01:59:32,510 Senator Joel Villanueva: Maraming salamat, Mr. Chair. 2268 01:59:33,130 --> 01:59:34,570 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator Villanueva. 2269 01:59:35,270 --> 01:59:41,490 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Actually, sa totoo lang, that's why we wanted also to resume the flood control projects. 2270 01:59:42,370 --> 01:59:43,710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: The uncompleted one, that is. 2271 01:59:43,710 --> 01:59:45,710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Because we have seen that... 2272 01:59:46,430 --> 01:59:49,170 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dito sa monsoon rains, wala pa ngang bagyo ito. 2273 01:59:49,710 --> 01:59:54,970 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tuloy-tuloy na ulan, lubog ang Metro Manila, lubog ang Bulacan, lubog ang Pampanga, hanggang Tarlac. 2274 01:59:55,770 --> 01:59:56,710 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, ano eh. 2275 01:59:57,350 --> 01:59:59,950 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Well, iba na rin talaga yung climate change. 2276 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But still, we need to resume the flood-mitigating projects, especially the complete, the uncompleted. 2277 02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:16,940 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Siguro wala namang masama roon, Chairman, di ba, as long as these projects are not found to be irregular or substandard. 2278 02:00:17,700 --> 02:00:27,880 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I think this will be more beneficial as it would prevent the further suffering of the people in Bulacan and Pampanga and even Metro Manila and Tarlac. 2279 02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:35,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: At least kung ma-mitigate natin, mabawasan natin yung pagbabaha, masara natin yung gaps, kasi mas masama yung may puwang eh. 2280 02:00:36,020 --> 02:00:38,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tubig yan. Maghahanap talaga ng papasukan yan. 2281 02:00:38,440 --> 02:00:42,580 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tapos pinipigilan mo namang mawala yung tubig para mawala yung baha. 2282 02:00:42,660 --> 02:00:45,500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So parang naging ano siya. 2283 02:00:45,700 --> 02:00:48,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ang ano natin is to close the gaps. 2284 02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:55,560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And also, if I would, magsimula tayo, Senator Villanueva, yung NIA and DPWH. 2285 02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:56,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dapat dito, 2286 02:00:56,220 --> 02:01:00,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in the absence of a master plan, convergence na. 2287 02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:04,700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: And then sa taas pa lang dapat meron nang water impounding. 2288 02:01:05,940 --> 02:01:10,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Tapos nakaano yan ng flood control, water impounding. 2289 02:01:10,940 --> 02:01:12,700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi pag tag-ulan, sobra-sobra ulan natin. 2290 02:01:13,080 --> 02:01:14,540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pag tagtuyot naman, walang-wala tayo, di ba? 2291 02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:22,120 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So I think we should change yung view, yung view eh na yung tubig hindi dapat perwisyo. 2292 02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:24,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Dapat treated as a resource. 2293 02:01:24,060 --> 02:01:25,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pero gawin natin. 2294 02:01:26,220 --> 02:01:29,180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kailangan natin ng tamang flood water management, I think. 2295 02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:32,340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yun ang atin pong direksyon, di ba? 2296 02:01:33,140 --> 02:01:34,900 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sige, Chairperson Cordoba. 2297 02:01:35,060 --> 02:01:37,200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you for, salamat po sa lahat ng binanggit ninyo. 2298 02:01:37,740 --> 02:01:42,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually po, Your Honors, if may mga kailangan po na i-cover sila DPWH, 2299 02:01:42,940 --> 02:01:45,280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kagaya po nung binabanggit ninyo, kasi may kaso, hindi pwedeng gawin. 2300 02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:51,520 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Kung kailangan po, we're willing to sit down on an item per item with the DPWH. 2301 02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:52,560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And actually, we're doing it po. 2302 02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:54,860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Pagka po may mga question sila, 2303 02:01:54,860 --> 02:01:56,200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: tinutulungan namin sila para 2304 02:01:56,320 --> 02:02:04,440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: magawa po nila kahit po may mga pending na kaso, pending na mga legalities. 2305 02:02:04,660 --> 02:02:07,380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But importante po yung public service ay tuloy-tuloy. 2306 02:02:07,540 --> 02:02:08,720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Hindi po siya dapat huminto. 2307 02:02:08,980 --> 02:02:09,400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Salamat po. 2308 02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:12,060 Senator Joel Villanueva: One last issue. 2309 02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:17,040 Senator Joel Villanueva: If there's nothing more about the flood control program. 2310 02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:22,520 Senator Joel Villanueva: Tinitingnan ko lang po kasi itong COA's Technical Services and Systems Audit Subprogram 2311 02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:26,080 Senator Joel Villanueva: that targets only 18 ISIT audit or 2312 02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:37,520 Senator Joel Villanueva: evaluation reports in 2027. Is that level of coverage sufficient given government's accelerating digitalization 2313 02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:41,800 Senator Joel Villanueva: and growing cybersecurity and information system risk? 2314 02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:49,680 Senator Joel Villanueva: Nakita ko lang ho yung 2027 target, 18 ISIT audit or evaluation reports. 2315 02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:52,980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Sandali lang po. 2316 02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:53,960 Senator Joel Villanueva: Sige, please. 2317 02:02:53,960 --> 02:02:54,960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yes, sorry. 2318 02:02:57,640 --> 02:03:06,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: We just want to be clarified on this, how it prioritizes systems for audit and whether existing personnel 2319 02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:14,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: and technology ay sufficient po dito to cover yung high-risk government information systems? 2320 02:03:15,060 --> 02:03:18,280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you for the question, Mr. Chair, Sen. Villanueva. 2321 02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:21,860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Si Ascom Isidro po ang sasagot po. 2322 02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:22,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Thank you. 2323 02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:26,500 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Sen. Villanueva. 2324 02:03:26,500 --> 02:03:27,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Please proceed. 2325 02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:54,350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: We have an office called the Internal Information Technology Audit Office under the Systems and Technical Services sector that does the IS audit and IT technical evaluation of procurement contracts and other contracts. 2326 02:03:54,350 --> 02:03:59,710 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: At present, we have only 64 warm bodies. 2327 02:04:00,550 --> 02:04:12,910 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: But ideally, the office needs 164 manpower with an existing approved plantelia of 81 plantelia positions. 2328 02:04:12,910 --> 02:04:29,510 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: And these 64 warm bodies consist of auditors and administrative personnel, including... 2329 02:04:29,510 --> 02:04:31,510 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: We also have... 2330 02:04:32,150 --> 02:04:34,410 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Certified Information Systems Auditor. 2331 02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:51,190 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: We have Public Procurement Specialist, Certified Fraud Examiner, Certified Public Accountants, and other disciplines consisting the office. 2332 02:04:51,190 --> 02:04:59,410 Senator Joel Villanueva: So ito, magandang problema yata ito, kasi you have 64 but you have 81 available. 2333 02:05:00,470 --> 02:05:02,030 Senator Joel Villanueva: Tama ba yung pagkakaintindi ko, ma?am? 2334 02:05:02,150 --> 02:05:02,370 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Yes po. 2335 02:05:02,930 --> 02:05:03,430 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Yes po. 2336 02:05:03,430 --> 02:05:04,530 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Per our record, ma?am. 2337 02:05:04,530 --> 02:05:09,790 Senator Joel Villanueva: Pero hindi ninyo ma-fill up at the same problem that you are talking about? 2338 02:05:10,690 --> 02:05:18,090 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: For the Information Systems Auditors, there is a certain criteria that need to be satisfied. 2339 02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:20,130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: Like, they need to be... 2340 02:05:20,130 --> 02:05:23,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm sure. I was the head of agency before. 2341 02:05:23,530 --> 02:05:26,150 Senator Joel Villanueva: So hindi ma-satisfy yun, kaya hindi ma-fill up? 2342 02:05:26,810 --> 02:05:29,190 COA Assistant Commissioner Lucila M. Isidro: At present po, hindi po ma-satisfy po. 2343 02:05:29,670 --> 02:05:31,990 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yun yung dahilan kung bakit 2344 02:05:31,990 --> 02:05:34,110 Senator Joel Villanueva: ko tinatanong yung questions ko kanina. 2345 02:05:34,110 --> 02:05:38,430 Senator Joel Villanueva: Is there a way that we can somehow adjust? 2346 02:05:39,430 --> 02:05:41,250 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yun talaga kasi yung kailangan? 2347 02:05:41,890 --> 02:05:44,690 Senator Joel Villanueva: At wala talaga tayong makikita? 2348 02:05:45,070 --> 02:05:47,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: Hahanap ba tayo sa Milky Way Galaxy? 2349 02:05:49,010 --> 02:05:50,950 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mag-train tayo sa TESDA? 2350 02:05:52,810 --> 02:05:56,950 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Your Honor, it's really... 2351 02:05:58,030 --> 02:05:58,950 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: We are... 2352 02:05:58,950 --> 02:05:59,270 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: We are... 2353 02:05:59,270 --> 02:06:07,250 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Dependent po kasi talagang sa compliance ng administrative rules ng civil service. 2354 02:06:07,730 --> 02:06:13,210 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, kaya nga po kasi nasa standardization law po kami under. 2355 02:06:13,670 --> 02:06:18,130 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, we really need to follow yung system ranking oppositions. 2356 02:06:18,990 --> 02:06:20,710 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: So, hindi po kami ka... 2357 02:06:20,710 --> 02:06:23,150 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yung higher levels po kasi, for example, 2358 02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:26,350 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: as yung entry level is so low, 2359 02:06:26,350 --> 02:06:28,310 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: pero you cannot hire po. 2360 02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:38,430 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Maglulundag ka ng salary grades kasi that is against dun sa administrative rules po ng civil service. 2361 02:06:38,430 --> 02:06:46,190 Senator Joel Villanueva: And that will be addressed dun sa binabanggit ni Chairman na panukalang batas na ipupush po namin. 2362 02:06:46,370 --> 02:06:46,830 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yes po. 2363 02:06:47,030 --> 02:06:48,550 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: If we are to be exempted sa standardization. 2364 02:06:48,550 --> 02:06:54,630 Senator Joel Villanueva: Because otherwise, kahit ilang Pasko yung dumating, hindi ninyo ma-fill up-an. 2365 02:06:54,890 --> 02:06:57,990 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yes, even po na meron ka talagang qualified. 2366 02:06:57,990 --> 02:06:58,990 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: Yan yung mga hinaharap. 2367 02:06:59,270 --> 02:07:04,790 COA Assistant Commissioner Lorna Cabochan: At the bottom, hindi ko po makakapag more than three salary grades. 2368 02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:07,290 Senator Joel Villanueva: I got that. I know where you're coming from. 2369 02:07:07,470 --> 02:07:10,930 Senator Joel Villanueva: I experienced that personally when I was with TESDA. 2370 02:07:11,470 --> 02:07:12,570 Senator Joel Villanueva: Anyway, one last. 2371 02:07:14,050 --> 02:07:20,310 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yung financial management, nakita ko lang COA's own 2025 audit. 2372 02:07:20,710 --> 02:07:25,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: You identified accounting deficiencies involving approximately 5.1 billion pesos. 2373 02:07:25,870 --> 02:07:28,870 Senator Joel Villanueva: What accounts for the scale of... 2374 02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:32,710 Senator Joel Villanueva: of these deficiencies, and what corrective measures? 2375 02:07:33,010 --> 02:07:39,530 Senator Joel Villanueva: May independent audit eh, in-identify various accounting deficiencies totaling 5.1 billion. 2376 02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:46,130 Senator Joel Villanueva: The amount does not by itself mean funds siguro that were lost or misused. 2377 02:07:46,670 --> 02:07:53,050 Senator Joel Villanueva: But it is significant enough to perhaps get an explanation what this is. 2378 02:08:06,230 --> 02:08:09,030 Senator Joel Villanueva: I got this from our LBRMO. 2379 02:08:10,250 --> 02:08:15,450 Senator Joel Villanueva: Sa page 17, number 4. 2380 02:08:15,790 --> 02:08:24,250 Senator Joel Villanueva: Various accounting deficiencies noted amounted to 5.101 billion as at year-end. 2381 02:08:27,390 --> 02:08:29,830 Senator Joel Villanueva: LBRMO. Dito po, sa Senado po ito. 2382 02:08:30,930 --> 02:08:34,430 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kaya nung nakita ko, sabi ko i-raise ko ito eh. 2383 02:08:34,490 --> 02:08:35,410 Senator Joel Villanueva: You're not aware of this? 2384 02:08:35,590 --> 02:08:36,330 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Hindi po, your honor. 2385 02:08:37,250 --> 02:08:37,690 Senator Joel Villanueva: Okay. 2386 02:08:38,890 --> 02:08:39,490 Senator Joel Villanueva: Okay, I'll set it. 2387 02:08:40,250 --> 02:08:50,660 Senator Joel Villanueva: This is part of the audit report ng COA. 2388 02:08:55,060 --> 02:08:57,880 Senator Joel Villanueva: Audit observation number 4. 2389 02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:01,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: But anyway, I will just furnish a copy nito. 2390 02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:02,740 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. 2391 02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:07,520 Senator Joel Villanueva: Just wanted to make sure that we'll be able to clarify this. 2392 02:09:07,620 --> 02:09:09,940 Senator Joel Villanueva: Kasi nagulat lang ako dun sa 5 billion eh. 2393 02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:14,820 Senator Joel Villanueva: I'm sure wala namang meaning where they're... 2394 02:09:14,820 --> 02:09:18,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: May misuse or loss of funds. 2395 02:09:18,240 --> 02:09:21,180 Senator Joel Villanueva: It's just that I think we need to explain this further 2396 02:09:21,180 --> 02:09:25,860 Senator Joel Villanueva: para lang maset natin yung high standards ng COA. 2397 02:09:26,300 --> 02:09:27,200 Senator Joel Villanueva: Salamat, Mr. Chairman. 2398 02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:28,060 Senator Joel Villanueva: That will be all. 2399 02:09:28,280 --> 02:09:32,700 Senator Joel Villanueva: And again, let me put on record my sincerest thanks and gratitude 2400 02:09:32,700 --> 02:09:38,300 Senator Joel Villanueva: to the men and women of COA for your service. 2401 02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:42,740 Senator Joel Villanueva: And most of all, I'd like to put on record my full support 2402 02:09:42,740 --> 02:09:43,700 Senator Joel Villanueva: for the... 2403 02:09:44,820 --> 02:09:50,840 Senator Joel Villanueva: approval of this briefing so that we can proceed 2404 02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:55,600 Senator Joel Villanueva: for plenary action of their budget, Mr. Chairman. 2405 02:09:55,740 --> 02:09:56,100 Senator Joel Villanueva: Thank you. 2406 02:09:56,460 --> 02:09:58,680 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, Senator Villanueva, for your support 2407 02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:03,140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to our Commission on Audit. 2408 02:10:04,240 --> 02:10:06,640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Alam mo, ang hirap ng Commission on Audit, 2409 02:10:06,700 --> 02:10:09,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ang tingin sa mga auditor, madalas, kontrabida eh. 2410 02:10:10,340 --> 02:10:12,320 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Parang pag nakikita ito, lalo ng mga LG, 2411 02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:13,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: nako, ito na naman ito, mga kontrabida. 2412 02:10:13,980 --> 02:10:14,660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: But you know, this... 2413 02:10:14,820 --> 02:10:18,460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Auditors, state auditors, provide the checks and balances. 2414 02:10:19,180 --> 02:10:22,840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Make sure that money is well spent in government, diba? 2415 02:10:22,940 --> 02:10:25,340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kaya kailangan namin kayo dito, especially in our... 2416 02:10:25,340 --> 02:10:31,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in our trust to bring back the confidence of people in government, no? 2417 02:10:31,380 --> 02:10:34,280 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Na napakalaking bagay, lalo na dito sa ating budgeting. 2418 02:10:35,500 --> 02:10:38,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Before we end, I would like to ask some questions from our... 2419 02:10:38,860 --> 02:10:42,660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kasi iniinvolve namin yung civil society organizations, no? 2420 02:10:43,980 --> 02:10:44,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So that... 2421 02:10:44,820 --> 02:10:48,100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ito mga watchdogs can help us because we cannot... 2422 02:10:48,100 --> 02:10:53,100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sabi ko, it's humanly impossible for us to appreciate everything 2423 02:10:53,100 --> 02:10:55,960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: in so short a time during the budget season, no? 2424 02:10:57,180 --> 02:11:01,300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Gabundok yung ibang volumes yun na pinapadala, line items. 2425 02:11:01,460 --> 02:11:05,200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So we are involving the civil society organizations, watchdogs, 2426 02:11:05,300 --> 02:11:06,340 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: and everybody else. 2427 02:11:06,820 --> 02:11:10,020 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Pag may nakita sila na irregular, to let us know 2428 02:11:10,020 --> 02:11:12,460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so that we can already confront the agencies, no? 2429 02:11:12,540 --> 02:11:14,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ito po, from the CSO, 2430 02:11:14,820 --> 02:11:17,640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: naging concerned po ng maraming CSOs and groups 2431 02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:20,600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: na nagmo-monitor ng budget process sa mga nakaraang taon 2432 02:11:20,600 --> 02:11:24,560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ang delays ng publication ng COA's annual audit reports, 2433 02:11:25,320 --> 02:11:28,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: particularly for the fiscal year 2023 2434 02:11:28,240 --> 02:11:31,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: at sa ibang agency sa fiscal year 2024. 2435 02:11:32,280 --> 02:11:36,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: To address this under Section 107 of the 2026 GAA 2436 02:11:36,380 --> 02:11:42,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sets an October 31 deadline for the publication of annual audit reports. 2437 02:11:42,620 --> 02:11:44,180 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang tanong, kumusta po ang 2438 02:11:44,820 --> 02:11:47,620 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: implementation nito? Have all fiscal year 2024 2439 02:11:47,620 --> 02:11:51,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: annual audit reports already been published on your website? 2440 02:11:52,580 --> 02:11:54,860 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Published na po. Okay. Complete. 2441 02:11:55,540 --> 02:11:59,500 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ito pong, is it on track to make all 2025 naman po 2442 02:11:59,500 --> 02:12:01,840 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: audit reports available by October 31. 2443 02:12:02,620 --> 02:12:04,140 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, so ongoing. 2444 02:12:04,620 --> 02:12:06,200 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Idagdag ko lang po, Mr. Chair. 2445 02:12:06,200 --> 02:12:12,840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Kasi nung 2023 for 2024, nakalagay po kasi sa GAA na December, 2446 02:12:13,620 --> 02:12:14,640 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: end of December po. 2447 02:12:14,820 --> 02:12:16,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Last day. Kaya po, na-delay din talaga. 2448 02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:18,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So ngayon, October 31 na? 2449 02:12:18,220 --> 02:12:19,260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: October 31 na po. 2450 02:12:19,860 --> 02:12:22,660 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sa follow-up, Chairman, would it be feasible for COA 2451 02:12:22,660 --> 02:12:25,100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to publish the annual audit reports earlier? 2452 02:12:25,700 --> 02:12:27,480 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ang request nila, July 30, 2453 02:12:27,580 --> 02:12:32,600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: so that Congress will have sufficient time to consider the audit findings. 2454 02:12:33,180 --> 02:12:37,400 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kasi during the budget process, wala pa yung ano nyo, October 31. 2455 02:12:37,620 --> 02:12:40,560 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, ang ano lang nila, kung kaya yung July 31, 2456 02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:44,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: para po meron silang time to consider the audit findings. 2457 02:12:44,820 --> 02:12:47,460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: During the budget process, is it feasible? 2458 02:12:49,460 --> 02:12:56,360 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Sir, pursuant to Section 107 of the GAA 2027, 2459 02:12:56,360 --> 02:13:01,940 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: may requirement kasi po, upon the receipt of the annual audit report 2460 02:13:01,940 --> 02:13:06,840 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: by the audited agency, required sila to submit the status of actions taken 2461 02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:09,360 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: on the audit observations and memorandum. 2462 02:13:09,740 --> 02:13:14,360 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So within 60 days, isasabit nila yan doon sa COA for 2463 02:13:14,820 --> 02:13:17,960 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: for the publication together with the annual audit report. 2464 02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:23,160 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So, June 30 ang deadline of the transmittal plus 60. 2465 02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:26,380 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: So, talagang, tapos gagawin pa yan ng COA, 2466 02:13:26,940 --> 02:13:29,060 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: iko-confirm pa yan, i-evaluate. 2467 02:13:29,800 --> 02:13:32,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, talagang October 31? 2468 02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:34,600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Sige, Chairman. 2469 02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:36,760 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Ang ginagawa naman po namin, as soon as matapos, 2470 02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:37,960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: kasi hindi naman po sabay-sabay, 2471 02:13:38,380 --> 02:13:43,680 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: as soon as matapos, pinapadala po namin agad sa inyo pong office. 2472 02:13:43,680 --> 02:13:44,780 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, may mga hard copies po. 2473 02:13:44,820 --> 02:13:45,880 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, pinapauna na po namin. 2474 02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:48,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: That would help a lot, especially during the budget process. 2475 02:13:48,540 --> 02:13:49,540 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Pinapadala po namin agad. 2476 02:13:49,640 --> 02:13:51,420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Basta po matapos, hindi lang po sabay-sabay. 2477 02:13:52,040 --> 02:13:53,040 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: As it comes lang po. 2478 02:13:54,920 --> 02:13:55,260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: We sent it to... 2479 02:13:55,260 --> 02:13:58,040 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kinaaano kasi nila concerning availability raw sa public. 2480 02:13:58,220 --> 02:14:02,700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, if we can make it earlier nalang siguro, the earliest possible time. 2481 02:14:02,740 --> 02:14:03,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Yung kaya lang naman po. 2482 02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:08,600 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: COA describes the citizen participatory audit as a mechanism 2483 02:14:08,600 --> 02:14:12,440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that brings citizens and civil society organizations into the audit process. 2484 02:14:12,940 --> 02:14:14,440 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Nagamit na rin ito natin. 2485 02:14:14,820 --> 02:14:21,700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: In previous audits, including in relation to the flood control master plan sa Kamanawa area. 2486 02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:29,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: For 2027, COA requested 40.7 million for CPA requirements under Tier 2, 2487 02:14:29,140 --> 02:14:32,380 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: but this was not included in the NEP. 2488 02:14:33,100 --> 02:14:36,260 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, on follow-up, we have also received reports that in the past engagements, 2489 02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:41,740 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: that citizen partners may be receiving only 250 pesos in logistical support. 2490 02:14:41,740 --> 02:14:44,060 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Can COA confirm whether this is accurate? 2491 02:14:44,240 --> 02:14:44,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Is that 250? 2492 02:14:44,980 --> 02:14:48,960 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Provided per day, proactively, or to the entire audit engagement? 2493 02:14:49,980 --> 02:14:51,700 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Na-increase na po yan, Your Honor. 2494 02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:53,960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But actually nga po, nasimulan na po namin yan. 2495 02:14:54,040 --> 02:14:55,460 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Yan po binabanggit ko sa inyo kanina, 2496 02:14:56,100 --> 02:14:59,740 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: na one of the observations po na nakita doon sa citizen participatory 2497 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,020 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: audit 2498 02:15:02,140 --> 02:15:04,160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ayun pong wala pong master plan. 2499 02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:06,080 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: So, actually po, 2500 02:15:06,120 --> 02:15:08,040 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: malaking bagay po yan because para po siyang 2501 02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:10,240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: aming multiplier po ng tao 2502 02:15:10,240 --> 02:15:12,160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and there would be people 2503 02:15:12,160 --> 02:15:13,860 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: on the ground na makakatulong po sa amin. 2504 02:15:13,980 --> 02:15:16,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But hindi po lang sinama 2505 02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:18,260 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: this year, ah, for next year. 2506 02:15:18,820 --> 02:15:20,280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: But, tuloy-tuloy 2507 02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:20,800 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: naman po kami. 2508 02:15:22,380 --> 02:15:23,640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Kung hindi po ma-restore yung 2509 02:15:23,640 --> 02:15:26,000 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: 40 million, 40.7 million 2510 02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:28,240 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: sa mga planned CPA engagements ang mababawasan, 2511 02:15:28,240 --> 02:15:29,700 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: maantala, or hindi matutuloy? 2512 02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:31,300 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Ah, sige. 2513 02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:33,700 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: Hindi naman po, sir. We will 2514 02:15:33,700 --> 02:15:35,800 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: get that from our regular 2515 02:15:35,800 --> 02:15:37,780 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: MOOE. Kaya medyo 2516 02:15:37,780 --> 02:15:39,740 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: malaki. Especially this 2517 02:15:39,740 --> 02:15:41,600 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: year, we already disbursed 2518 02:15:41,600 --> 02:15:43,540 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: 10 million for the CPA 2519 02:15:43,540 --> 02:15:44,880 COA Assistant Commissioner Nilda B. Plaras: all over the regions. 2520 02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:49,800 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, paano po pinipili? 2521 02:15:49,860 --> 02:15:51,220 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Last na po ito sa mga civil, 2522 02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:53,520 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: from the CSOs. Paano po pinipili ng COA 2523 02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:55,540 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ang civil society partners nito 2524 02:15:55,540 --> 02:15:57,460 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: at ano ang safeguards para 2525 02:15:57,460 --> 02:15:59,200 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: masiguro na hindi maapektuhan ang 2526 02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:01,100 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: independence and integrity 2527 02:16:01,100 --> 02:16:01,640 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of audit? 2528 02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:03,980 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually, there's an office 2529 02:16:03,980 --> 02:16:05,940 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: in the COA that 2530 02:16:05,940 --> 02:16:07,420 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: does this po, ano, 2531 02:16:08,500 --> 02:16:10,000 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: invitation po. 2532 02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:11,900 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: And, actually po, 2533 02:16:12,020 --> 02:16:13,720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: ang may mga, 2534 02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:15,720 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: meron naman po yan mga, what's this, 2535 02:16:15,780 --> 02:16:17,560 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: criteria, and then 2536 02:16:17,560 --> 02:16:19,480 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: in coordination naman po yan with 2537 02:16:19,480 --> 02:16:22,240 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: the NGOs 2538 02:16:22,240 --> 02:16:22,960 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: and 2539 02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:25,440 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: yung pong mga 2540 02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:28,280 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: civil society groups po. 2541 02:16:28,460 --> 02:16:29,380 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Nagpapatulong po kami. 2542 02:16:29,380 --> 02:16:31,220 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Actually nga po, ang isang inisip namin 2543 02:16:31,220 --> 02:16:31,840 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: would be, 2544 02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:33,160 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: through the CBCP po. 2545 02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:34,400 COA Chairperson Gamaliel A. Cordoba: Jonas. 2546 02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:39,430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Okay, so that's about it. 2547 02:16:39,530 --> 02:16:41,910 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Since there's no more queries 2548 02:16:41,910 --> 02:16:42,910 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: from our colleagues, 2549 02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:46,110 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: siguro, 2550 02:16:46,250 --> 02:16:47,870 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: I'll solicit a motion from my 2551 02:16:47,870 --> 02:16:49,430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: colleague to 2552 02:16:49,430 --> 02:16:52,130 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: have the budget of the commission 2553 02:16:52,130 --> 02:16:53,610 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: audit be submitted. 2554 02:16:54,470 --> 02:16:56,090 Senator Joel Villanueva: Yes, Mr. Chairman, at this 2555 02:16:56,090 --> 02:16:58,070 Senator Joel Villanueva: juncture, again, let me reiterate my 2556 02:16:58,070 --> 02:17:00,210 Senator Joel Villanueva: full support to the budget of 2557 02:17:00,210 --> 02:17:01,250 Senator Joel Villanueva: COA 2558 02:17:01,250 --> 02:17:03,690 Senator Joel Villanueva: with the caveat of 2559 02:17:04,450 --> 02:17:08,790 Senator Joel Villanueva: moving also if they need 2560 02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:10,630 Senator Joel Villanueva: additional assistance, but then 2561 02:17:10,630 --> 02:17:13,010 Senator Joel Villanueva: I can see a lot of 2562 02:17:13,010 --> 02:17:15,030 Senator Joel Villanueva: challenges that they 2563 02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:16,750 Senator Joel Villanueva: are facing and it will also be 2564 02:17:16,750 --> 02:17:17,650 Senator Joel Villanueva: addressed by 2565 02:17:17,650 --> 02:17:20,690 Senator Joel Villanueva: exempting them from 2566 02:17:20,690 --> 02:17:22,910 Senator Joel Villanueva: salary standardization. So with that, 2567 02:17:22,970 --> 02:17:24,630 Senator Joel Villanueva: Mr. Chairman, I move that we 2568 02:17:24,630 --> 02:17:27,010 Senator Joel Villanueva: consider the budget of 2569 02:17:27,010 --> 02:17:28,230 Senator Joel Villanueva: COA 2570 02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:30,810 Senator Joel Villanueva: for approval for plenary action. 2571 02:17:31,130 --> 02:17:32,230 Senator Joel Villanueva: I so move, Mr. Chair. 2572 02:17:32,570 --> 02:17:33,690 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you. So, 2573 02:17:34,450 --> 02:17:36,310 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: there's a motion by 2574 02:17:36,310 --> 02:17:37,610 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Senator Villanueva 2575 02:17:37,610 --> 02:17:40,670 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: for the budget of the commission audit 2576 02:17:40,670 --> 02:17:42,570 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: to be submitted for the plenary 2577 02:17:42,570 --> 02:17:44,750 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: consideration subject to 2578 02:17:44,750 --> 02:17:46,890 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: discussion and submission of documents requested. 2579 02:17:47,690 --> 02:17:48,890 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: So, since there's no objection, 2580 02:17:49,570 --> 02:17:50,630 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: it is hereby approved. And the 2581 02:17:50,630 --> 02:17:52,730 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: committee chair would like to thank everyone, especially 2582 02:17:52,730 --> 02:17:54,330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: our esteemed resource persons, 2583 02:17:54,910 --> 02:17:56,770 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Chairman Gamaliel Cordoba, 2584 02:17:56,970 --> 02:17:58,490 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: our assistant commissioners, 2585 02:17:58,590 --> 02:18:00,530 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: the whole COA family. 2586 02:18:01,430 --> 02:18:02,430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Minsan, okay lang maging, 2587 02:18:02,850 --> 02:18:04,430 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: kailangan din ang kontrabida sa buong 2588 02:18:04,450 --> 02:18:06,190 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: buhay. Yan ang 2589 02:18:06,190 --> 02:18:08,250 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: check and balance 2590 02:18:08,250 --> 02:18:10,330 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: ng ating pong gobyerno at nagpapanatiling 2591 02:18:10,330 --> 02:18:11,870 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: malinis ating gobyerno. 2592 02:18:12,250 --> 02:18:12,930 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Huwag na sobrang. 2593 02:18:14,290 --> 02:18:16,030 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: This briefing is hereby suspended. 2594 02:18:16,190 --> 02:18:18,270 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: Thank you, gentlemen and ladies 2595 02:18:18,270 --> 02:18:20,670 Senator Joseph Victor "JV" G. Ejercito: of COA. Thank you. Maraming salamat po.