WEBVTT h2r5-turn-000001 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: budget ninyo puro press release, puro cuts. h2r5-turn-000002 00:00:02.490 --> 00:00:05.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So sa pinakasimpleng paraan po Madam Chair, kung h2r5-turn-000003 00:00:05.800 --> 00:00:14.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pwede po bang ipaliwanag ng DBM, papaano nasasabi na makatao at dapat maging makatao ang budget natin for 2027? h2r5-turn-000004 00:00:14.920 --> 00:00:15.540 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Second. h2r5-turn-000005 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:16.360 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam h2r5-turn-000006 00:00:16.360 --> 00:00:17.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-000007 00:00:17.420 --> 00:00:18.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: patungkol h2r5-turn-000008 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:20.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po doon sa ating budget h2r5-turn-000009 00:00:20.660 --> 00:00:25.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allocation for social sector. Nabanggit po natin kanina na ito pa rin po ang nananatiling h2r5-turn-000010 00:00:25.580 --> 00:00:30.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pinakamataas na sektor sa ating budget. Budget, bagamat kung titignan po natin, h2r5-turn-000011 00:00:30.740 --> 00:00:36.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mayroon pong mga departments na nominally ay kinakitaan po natin ng pagbaba, h2r5-turn-000012 00:00:36.400 --> 00:00:40.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: patulad ng DepEd, DOH, at DSWD. h2r5-turn-000013 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:47.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po ay alinsunod doon po sa ating consideration sa kanilang mga ongoing implementation ng h2r5-turn-000014 00:00:47.900 --> 00:00:50.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanilang 2026 GAA. h2r5-turn-000015 00:00:50.300 --> 00:00:56.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kabilang na nga po dyan, ang malaking bahagi po halimbawa sa Department of Education ay h2r5-turn-000016 00:00:56.340 --> 00:01:01.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung kanila pong astil. Hindi pa nagagamit na pondo para sa mga classroom. h2r5-turn-000017 00:01:01.440 --> 00:01:06.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya kasama po doon sa ating consideration, dahil alam po natin na ito ay h2r5-turn-000018 00:01:06.160 --> 00:01:09.360 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ipagpapatuloy pa nila hanggang 2027, h2r5-turn-000019 00:01:10.660 --> 00:01:19.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nagkaroon po tayo ng evaluation kung magkano lang po muna sa classroom, pero definitely hindi po zero yung classroom provision for 2027. h2r5-turn-000020 00:01:19.980 --> 00:01:21.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At isang factor nga din po dyan, h2r5-turn-000021 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:28.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dahil hindi naman po natin idinadagdag doon sa comparison ng DepEd budget for instance, yung h2r5-turn-000022 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:32.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nabanggit ko po kanina na nakalatag na PPP project for h2r5-turn-000023 00:01:32.220 --> 00:01:38.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: construction of classroom building. So ito po ay nakalatag din na i-implement sa 2027. So h2r5-turn-000024 00:01:38.980 --> 00:01:41.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung atin pong susumahin at isasama po ito sa equation, h2r5-turn-000025 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay karagdagan pa rin po ito sa DepEd budget. h2r5-turn-000026 00:01:46.380 --> 00:01:49.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Patungkol po sa DOH, gayon din po sa DA, h2r5-turn-000027 00:01:50.140 --> 00:01:55.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun pong bahagi ng pagbaba ng kanilang budget ay attributable. h2r5-turn-000028 00:01:55.700 --> 00:02:01.428 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Doon din po sa kanilang mga infrastructure. Ito po ang mga infrastructure projects na under 2026, h2r5-turn-000029 00:02:01.428 --> 00:02:04.795 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: katulad po ng kanilang HFEP ng DOH at ng h2r5-turn-000030 00:02:04.795 --> 00:02:07.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: farm-to-market roads ng DA na h2r5-turn-000031 00:02:07.780 --> 00:02:13.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: during the time that the budget was being prepared ay hindi pa nila nasisimulang i-implement. h2r5-turn-000032 00:02:13.880 --> 00:02:17.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So the DBM has decided na i-maintain yung kanilang level h2r5-turn-000033 00:02:17.980 --> 00:02:23.467 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kahalintulad nung level ng HFEP at DA sa 2026 NEP dahil h2r5-turn-000034 00:02:23.467 --> 00:02:27.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po batid natin na yung kanilang implementasyon ng HFEP at DOH h2r5-turn-000035 00:02:27.060 --> 00:02:29.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa 2026 NEP. So yung plan sa h2r5-turn-000036 00:02:29.460 --> 00:02:35.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Farm-to-Market Road ay magsi-spillover hanggang sa 2027. Pero patungkol po doon sa ating h2r5-turn-000037 00:02:35.160 --> 00:02:39.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mga kaguruan, sa ating mga health workers, buo po yung ating provisions, h2r5-turn-000038 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:45.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kabilang na po dyan yung patuloy na pag-create ng mga additional positions, h2r5-turn-000039 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:49.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: both teaching and non-teaching, yung ating expanded career progression, h2r5-turn-000040 00:02:49.860 --> 00:02:57.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: gayon din po yung ating health workforce allocation ay nananatili pong buo po ang ating supporta po dyan. h2r5-turn-000041 00:02:58.060 --> 00:03:01.200 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, your honor, yung nominal decrease po on the h2r5-turn-000042 00:03:01.200 --> 00:03:02.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget h2r5-turn-000043 00:03:02.180 --> 00:03:07.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of these social departments are primarily attributable to the continuing h2r5-turn-000044 00:03:07.220 --> 00:03:13.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allocation po nila galing sa 2026. Dahil hindi pa nga po nila ito nasisimulan, h2r5-turn-000045 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: inaasahan po natin na mag-spill over po ito h2r5-turn-000046 00:03:16.380 --> 00:03:18.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hanggang sa 2027. h2r5-turn-000047 00:03:19.020 --> 00:03:24.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Patungkol po doon sa budget ng ating mga state universities and colleges, talaga h2r5-turn-000048 00:03:24.720 --> 00:03:25.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: naman po yung ating h2r5-turn-000049 00:03:25.940 --> 00:03:30.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: atensyon ay nandyan. In fact, kung babalikan po natin, Madam Chair, your honor, h2r5-turn-000050 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:34.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung ating top 10 departments for this year, h2r5-turn-000051 00:03:34.700 --> 00:03:39.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: if you may have noticed, sabi ko nga po sa aking mga kasama sa DBM, this might be h2r5-turn-000052 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:43.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the first, if not the few times, that h2r5-turn-000053 00:03:43.900 --> 00:03:48.200 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education is reflected separately from basic education. h2r5-turn-000054 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Pinapakita lang po nito na h2r5-turn-000055 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:59.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi po natin kinailangang ilamp yung totals ng education sector. Para lang masabi natin na h2r5-turn-000056 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:04.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ito ay yung may pinakamataas na alokasyon sa GAA. So ibig sabihin, basic education itself, h2r5-turn-000057 00:04:04.500 --> 00:04:06.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: malaki po yung ibinuhos natin dyan, h2r5-turn-000058 00:04:06.940 --> 00:04:12.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dagdag pa dito yung ating higher education. At katulad po kanina, nung sinasabi nating example, h2r5-turn-000059 00:04:13.060 --> 00:04:18.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: minsan po kasi hindi lang yung GAA or NEP allocation yung mahalagang tignan. Sa h2r5-turn-000060 00:04:18.220 --> 00:04:23.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education po kasi, meron tayong tinatawag na special account in the general fund na h2r5-turn-000061 00:04:23.640 --> 00:04:29.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ginagamit natin o yung HEDF para pang suporta, karagdagang suporta sa h2r5-turn-000062 00:04:29.640 --> 00:04:34.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ating mga HUCs and colleges. Kaya nga po, we would like to share to the committee rin po na sa h2r5-turn-000063 00:04:34.900 --> 00:04:38.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tulong po ng GAA ng 2026 na naipasa. h2r5-turn-000064 00:04:39.020 --> 00:04:43.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: In fact, we have already released yun pong SARO h2r5-turn-000065 00:04:43.060 --> 00:04:46.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: para po masettle na natin yung free h2r5-turn-000066 00:04:46.260 --> 00:04:51.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education arrears na naipo natin for the last three academic years. We h2r5-turn-000067 00:04:51.740 --> 00:04:56.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: would like to report to Congress na nai-release na po namin ang SARO nito. Sa h2r5-turn-000068 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:57.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Commission on Higher Education, h2r5-turn-000069 00:04:58.140 --> 00:05:03.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kaya po makakaasa po yung ating mga state universities and colleges na h2r5-turn-000070 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:08.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: matatanggap na po nila ito mula sa CHED. Hindi lamang po ito galing sa GAA dahil h2r5-turn-000071 00:05:08.540 --> 00:05:10.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bahagi po nung nirelease natin na halos h2r5-turn-000072 00:05:10.960 --> 00:05:16.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 10 billion pesos na pambayad ng arrears natin sa FHE ay h2r5-turn-000073 00:05:16.280 --> 00:05:19.200 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nanggaling po dun sa special account na Higher h2r5-turn-000074 00:05:19.200 --> 00:05:24.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Education Trust Fund. So ito po ay on top of what was allocated into h2r5-turn-000075 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:28.036 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the GAA. Ito po tayo ay masasabi nating h2r5-turn-000076 00:05:28.036 --> 00:05:33.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nagbayad ng utang na tatlong taon po sa ating mga state universities and colleges. h2r5-turn-000077 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:37.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po ay karagdagan na kanila pong magagamit, hindi lang po hanggang December, h2r5-turn-000078 00:05:38.100 --> 00:05:42.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kundi magpapatuloy po ito hanggang 2027 para h2r5-turn-000079 00:05:42.080 --> 00:05:47.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po matustusan yung kanilang mga pangangailangan sa operation ng mga state universities and colleges, h2r5-turn-000080 00:05:47.640 --> 00:05:50.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: makapagdagdag ng additional na infrastructure, h2r5-turn-000081 00:05:50.960 --> 00:05:53.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: academic buildings, laboratories, and equipment. h2r5-turn-000082 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:59.506 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So ito pong 10 billion. Na atin pong inauthorized na ma-release as of last h2r5-turn-000083 00:05:59.506 --> 00:06:02.487 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: week ay inaasahan po natin na maida-download h2r5-turn-000084 00:06:02.487 --> 00:06:05.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ng CHED sa ating 108 state universities and colleges h2r5-turn-000085 00:06:05.840 --> 00:06:11.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: starting probably this week dahil nasa kanila na po yung authority to spend for this. h2r5-turn-000086 00:06:11.440 --> 00:06:12.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam h2r5-turn-000087 00:06:12.020 --> 00:06:12.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, your honor. h2r5-turn-000088 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Chair. Sa hinabahaba po ng sinabi ni Secretary, h2r5-turn-000089 00:06:17.320 --> 00:06:21.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lumalabas pa rin po na sa 2027 NEP natin, h2r5-turn-000090 00:06:21.260 --> 00:06:28.000 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nandyan pa rin po yung mga budget cuts at huwag niyo po kaming dadaanin doon. sa press release natin na dapat ang h2r5-turn-000091 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: budget makatao dahil malinaw po na hindi yan nire-reflect doon h2r5-turn-000092 00:06:31.880 --> 00:06:32.820 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa NEP natin. h2r5-turn-000093 00:06:33.060 --> 00:06:36.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Susunod ko po na katanungan, Madam Chair, nakapatungkol po sa DepDev. h2r5-turn-000094 00:06:36.760 --> 00:06:40.260 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Paulit-ulit po na sinasabi at pangako ni Pangulong Bongbong Marcos, h2r5-turn-000095 00:06:40.420 --> 00:06:42.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: magaganda nga po yung adjective na ginagamit nyo eh. h2r5-turn-000096 00:06:42.980 --> 00:06:45.280 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: More jobs, quality jobs, h2r5-turn-000097 00:06:46.260 --> 00:07:00.820 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: better jobs. Bago po tayo pumunta doon sa mga datos, po pwede nyo po bang ipaliwanag o i-characterize itong mga trabaho. Pwede nyo po na lilikhain o nililikha ng budget na ito at ng sariling plano ng gobyerno? h2r5-turn-000098 00:07:03.950 --> 00:07:04.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yeah, h2r5-turn-000099 00:07:04.370 --> 00:07:06.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: okay, thank you, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-000100 00:07:06.710 --> 00:07:08.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The data that we h2r5-turn-000101 00:07:08.790 --> 00:07:09.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: presented are h2r5-turn-000102 00:07:09.890 --> 00:07:12.630 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: based on nationally representative h2r5-turn-000103 00:07:12.630 --> 00:07:14.870 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: surveys that h2r5-turn-000104 00:07:14.870 --> 00:07:15.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we h2r5-turn-000105 00:07:15.450 --> 00:07:20.110 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: periodically compile and do through the Philippine Statistics Authority. h2r5-turn-000106 00:07:20.510 --> 00:07:21.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And they h2r5-turn-000107 00:07:21.270 --> 00:07:29.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: show us, these surveys show us different types of work and different types of workers. Kaya h2r5-turn-000108 00:07:29.030 --> 00:07:30.870 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: makikita mo rito dito yung mga h2r5-turn-000109 00:07:30.870 --> 00:07:34.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: klaseng trabaho na nag-i-improve at pinag-i-improve. h2r5-turn-000110 00:07:34.570 --> 00:07:34.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: At h2r5-turn-000111 00:07:34.910 --> 00:07:36.930 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sa kabuuan, gaya ng pinagkita ko this morning, h2r5-turn-000112 00:07:37.210 --> 00:07:42.050 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if you look at the last 15 years, so yung matagalan na nag h2r5-turn-000113 00:07:42.050 --> 00:07:45.390 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -i-improve yung labor h2r5-turn-000114 00:07:45.390 --> 00:07:49.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: market conditions natin in terms of bumaba yung employment, h2r5-turn-000115 00:07:50.170 --> 00:07:50.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: underemployment. h2r5-turn-000116 00:07:51.030 --> 00:07:55.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yung nga lang, yung as I said, showed also this morning, yung the h2r5-turn-000117 00:07:55.350 --> 00:07:57.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: last three quarters medyo, h2r5-turn-000118 00:07:58.350 --> 00:08:01.750 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: umakyat uli yung unemployment, but we h2r5-turn-000119 00:08:01.750 --> 00:08:05.230 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: believe that is transitory as we are, h2r5-turn-000120 00:08:06.390 --> 00:08:08.550 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and we go back to the long-term trend h2r5-turn-000121 00:08:08.550 --> 00:08:09.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as h2r5-turn-000122 00:08:09.450 --> 00:08:12.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: soon as we recover from the sharp slowdown. h2r5-turn-000123 00:08:14.310 --> 00:08:15.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, yun ba, h2r5-turn-000124 00:08:15.570 --> 00:08:19.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hindi gawa-gawa yun ho, base sa data. h2r5-turn-000125 00:08:20.430 --> 00:08:21.070 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ngayon, h2r5-turn-000126 00:08:21.070 --> 00:08:24.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yung budget h2r5-turn-000127 00:08:24.150 --> 00:08:27.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: na we presented also this morning, h2r5-turn-000128 00:08:27.290 --> 00:08:32.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: aims to improve upon that by focusing on h2r5-turn-000129 00:08:32.270 --> 00:08:35.050 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sectors h2r5-turn-000130 00:08:35.050 --> 00:08:43.390 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that when they improve, when they do well, they do better, could improve the quality of jobs. h2r5-turn-000131 00:08:43.690 --> 00:08:44.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Kaya kanina mag h2r5-turn-000132 00:08:44.890 --> 00:08:46.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -focus tayo, sabi ko sa h2r5-turn-000133 00:08:46.170 --> 00:08:49.830 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: balikan natin yung industriya para h2r5-turn-000134 00:08:49.830 --> 00:08:55.250 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: makapag-create ng jobs, balikan natin yung ability natin to compete internationally by h2r5-turn-000135 00:08:55.250 --> 00:08:57.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: focusing on our exports, because doon tayo h2r5-turn-000136 00:08:57.810 --> 00:09:00.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: dehado compared sa other, sa h2r5-turn-000137 00:09:00.350 --> 00:09:01.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mga neighbors natin. h2r5-turn-000138 00:09:01.430 --> 00:09:02.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And if h2r5-turn-000139 00:09:02.490 --> 00:09:06.510 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you look at these types of industries, ito yung mga nakakadala h2r5-turn-000140 00:09:06.510 --> 00:09:09.110 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sa quality of jobs that I was referring to. h2r5-turn-000141 00:09:10.650 --> 00:09:12.250 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you po, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-000142 00:09:12.650 --> 00:09:15.610 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Magandang nabuksan po yan ni Secretary Balisacan. h2r5-turn-000143 00:09:16.250 --> 00:09:22.970 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Dahil po, kahit yung pangako na better jobs, more jobs, quality jobs, eh hindi rin po totoo yan sa h2r5-turn-000144 00:09:22.970 --> 00:09:24.330 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kasalukuyang sitwasyon. h2r5-turn-000145 00:09:24.790 --> 00:09:31.753 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sa PDP po, the government plan. To generate 336,000 to 396,000 jobs h2r5-turn-000146 00:09:31.753 --> 00:09:34.650 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in manufacturing jobs in 2025 alone. h2r5-turn-000147 00:09:35.050 --> 00:09:37.890 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero po, Madam Chair, lumalabas mismo sa report, h2r5-turn-000148 00:09:38.190 --> 00:09:39.670 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: manufacturing employment, h2r5-turn-000149 00:09:40.030 --> 00:09:42.690 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: minus 177,000. h2r5-turn-000150 00:09:42.850 --> 00:09:44.230 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Industry employment, h2r5-turn-000151 00:09:44.550 --> 00:09:46.630 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: minus 226,000. h2r5-turn-000152 00:09:46.850 --> 00:09:50.370 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Tapos yung services, nakita po natin, merong uptick by h2r5-turn-000153 00:09:50.370 --> 00:09:51.750 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 413,000. h2r5-turn-000154 00:09:52.010 --> 00:09:54.290 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So lumalabas po, Madam Chair, h2r5-turn-000155 00:09:54.590 --> 00:09:59.054 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi totoo yung pangako. Ito yung pangako h2r5-turn-000156 00:09:59.054 --> 00:10:05.610 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng administration sa pag-provide ng jobs. Kasi dapat natin itanong, hindi lang dapat lumilikha ng trabaho, h2r5-turn-000157 00:10:05.730 --> 00:10:11.310 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kundi anong klaseng trabaho ang nililikha. At lumalabas po ngayon, Madam Chair, h2r5-turn-000158 00:10:11.650 --> 00:10:19.290 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dun sa mga datos na nakikita natin, eh walang quality jobs na nakikreate. Mostly retail trade at h2r5-turn-000159 00:10:19.290 --> 00:10:22.550 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: elementary low-paying jobs. Tama po ba ito, Secretary Balisakan? h2r5-turn-000160 00:10:23.490 --> 00:10:31.290 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kung pwede po bang, kung pwede niyo po bang banggitin sa amin, retail jobs, retail trade jobs, at mga low-paying elementary jobs? h2r5-turn-000161 00:10:33.010 --> 00:10:38.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Dun sa statistics natin, na kino-compile h2r5-turn-000162 00:10:38.170 --> 00:10:38.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: natin, h2r5-turn-000163 00:10:40.090 --> 00:10:41.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we make h2r5-turn-000164 00:10:41.890 --> 00:10:45.230 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a distinction between wage and salary workers, h2r5-turn-000165 00:10:46.110 --> 00:10:46.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and h2r5-turn-000166 00:10:46.790 --> 00:10:49.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: other types of workers, h2r5-turn-000167 00:10:50.150 --> 00:10:50.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: lalo na yung mga h2r5-turn-000168 00:10:50.970 --> 00:10:53.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: informal, retail, h2r5-turn-000169 00:10:53.790 --> 00:10:54.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and trade. h2r5-turn-000170 00:10:56.430 --> 00:10:58.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yung wage and salary workers kasi na classification. h2r5-turn-000171 00:11:00.770 --> 00:11:01.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Or h2r5-turn-000172 00:11:01.030 --> 00:11:01.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: type of workers. h2r5-turn-000173 00:11:02.050 --> 00:11:04.830 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ito usually na what we consider better h2r5-turn-000174 00:11:04.830 --> 00:11:06.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: quality jobs. Kasi dito, h2r5-turn-000175 00:11:06.570 --> 00:11:08.390 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: these are usually in h2r5-turn-000176 00:11:08.390 --> 00:11:10.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: organized sectors, h2r5-turn-000177 00:11:10.970 --> 00:11:13.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: jobs at 8 h2r5-turn-000178 00:11:13.970 --> 00:11:16.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to 5, o mga more h2r5-turn-000179 00:11:16.770 --> 00:11:19.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: regular, h2r5-turn-000180 00:11:19.490 --> 00:11:22.050 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: more permanent. Hindi yung mga types of jobs that are h2r5-turn-000181 00:11:22.050 --> 00:11:25.210 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: available only for 3 hours or 4 hours a day. h2r5-turn-000182 00:11:27.850 --> 00:11:28.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, h2r5-turn-000183 00:11:28.570 --> 00:11:30.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and if you look at that data, ito, h2r5-turn-000184 00:11:30.850 --> 00:11:32.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in h2r5-turn-000185 00:11:32.790 --> 00:11:34.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the last 5 h2r5-turn-000186 00:11:34.950 --> 00:11:35.830 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to 10 years, h2r5-turn-000187 00:11:36.070 --> 00:11:37.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: nag-i-improve yan, h2r5-turn-000188 00:11:37.310 --> 00:11:40.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yung quality ng workers na yan. h2r5-turn-000189 00:11:41.070 --> 00:11:44.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: In terms of the proportion of those type of workers, in h2r5-turn-000190 00:11:44.850 --> 00:11:47.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the total workforce, h2r5-turn-000191 00:11:48.070 --> 00:11:50.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we can provide you the data to support that. h2r5-turn-000192 00:11:52.170 --> 00:11:52.730 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ito h2r5-turn-000193 00:11:52.730 --> 00:11:55.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: namang mga sales and trade na h2r5-turn-000194 00:11:55.810 --> 00:11:57.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sinasabi natin, these are usually the h2r5-turn-000195 00:11:57.950 --> 00:12:03.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: clerks, the service workers, and ito. As alam natin, mga panito, kung minsan, mga h2r5-turn-000196 00:12:03.410 --> 00:12:04.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: clerks, half h2r5-turn-000197 00:12:04.770 --> 00:12:05.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a day lang nag-u-work yan, h2r5-turn-000198 00:12:06.570 --> 00:12:08.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mga service workers, h2r5-turn-000199 00:12:09.550 --> 00:12:12.670 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yun ang kinakapture ng data natin na underemployed. h2r5-turn-000200 00:12:12.830 --> 00:12:18.390 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But even there, if you look at the data ng underemployment natin, kasi na pinakita ko kaninang umaga, h2r5-turn-000201 00:12:18.880 --> 00:12:22.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in the last 15 years, or even if you focus on the last 5 h2r5-turn-000202 00:12:22.970 --> 00:12:23.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: years, h2r5-turn-000203 00:12:23.730 --> 00:12:24.870 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: nag-i-improve yan. h2r5-turn-000204 00:12:25.270 --> 00:12:31.530 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ang exception nga lang, itong last 2 quarters and 3 quarters nga na. As you're right, pwede dati, h2r5-turn-000205 00:12:31.530 --> 00:12:32.110 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: tumaas. h2r5-turn-000206 00:12:32.640 --> 00:12:33.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But I said, h2r5-turn-000207 00:12:33.470 --> 00:12:38.650 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if we are able to succeed in recovering from the sharp slowdown and h2r5-turn-000208 00:12:38.650 --> 00:12:45.230 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: get the economy growing fast again, we should be able to recover those losses. And that's the trust of the entire h2r5-turn-000209 00:12:45.230 --> 00:12:48.630 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: proposed budget to h2r5-turn-000210 00:12:48.630 --> 00:12:51.750 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: recover us faster from the sharp h2r5-turn-000211 00:12:51.750 --> 00:12:52.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: slowdown. h2r5-turn-000212 00:12:52.750 --> 00:13:00.050 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Chair, maganda po na nabanggit ni Secretary Balisacan yung percentage of wage and salaried workers in private establishments to h2r5-turn-000213 00:13:00.050 --> 00:13:01.990 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: total employment. Employed workers increased. h2r5-turn-000214 00:13:03.750 --> 00:13:07.830 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meron din pong bangga agad doon sa targets and accomplishments. h2r5-turn-000215 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.610 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So una, yung target, unambitious na nga. h2r5-turn-000216 00:13:12.060 --> 00:13:13.010 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yung actual pa, h2r5-turn-000217 00:13:13.130 --> 00:13:14.070 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: stagnant. h2r5-turn-000218 00:13:14.190 --> 00:13:20.370 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So for 2025, ang target, 51.4 to 52.4. The actual is 50. h2r5-turn-000219 00:13:21.300 --> 00:13:25.090 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So ang ibig sabihin lang naman ito, Madam Chair, itong datos na lumalabas, h2r5-turn-000220 00:13:25.130 --> 00:13:28.630 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: eh hindi talaga lumilikha ng mga trabaho na h2r5-turn-000221 00:13:28.630 --> 00:13:29.950 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dekalidad, may h2r5-turn-000222 00:13:29.950 --> 00:13:31.350 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maayos na sahod, h2r5-turn-000223 00:13:31.750 --> 00:13:34.530 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: merong security of tenure yung gobyerno natin. h2r5-turn-000224 00:13:35.290 --> 00:13:40.590 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Marami po sa mga trabaho na yan ay retail trade at elementary low-paying jobs. h2r5-turn-000225 00:13:40.930 --> 00:13:42.790 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun po yung pinatutungkulan natin. h2r5-turn-000226 00:13:42.970 --> 00:13:47.410 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, maganda po na binabanggit ni Secretary Balisakan, merong mga proposed na h2r5-turn-000227 00:13:47.410 --> 00:13:51.410 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mga reforma para lumikha talaga tayo ng mga trabaho. At doon po patungo h2r5-turn-000228 00:13:51.410 --> 00:13:56.010 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung questioning natin, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-000229 00:13:57.290 --> 00:14:01.019 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ano ba yung... ang focus relative h2r5-turn-000230 00:14:01.019 --> 00:14:10.390 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to the 2027 budget? Ano ba ang focus ng gobyerno para lumikha ng mga industriya para h2r5-turn-000231 00:14:10.390 --> 00:14:12.730 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: gumawa ng mga trabaho na dekalidad, h2r5-turn-000232 00:14:12.990 --> 00:14:23.370 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi low-paying, hindi elementary, kundi mga high-value na mga trabaho? Kasi hindi naman po natin, Madam Chair, po pwedeng laging sabihin merong h2r5-turn-000233 00:14:23.370 --> 00:14:24.910 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: trabaho, trabaho, trabaho. h2r5-turn-000234 00:14:25.350 --> 00:14:34.410 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang punto natin dito, hindi lang sapat na merong trabaho, kundi yung trabaho ay dapat nagbabayad ng maayos sa ating mga manggagawa at h2r5-turn-000235 00:14:34.410 --> 00:14:37.990 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: talagang nakakapagambag sa development ng mga industriya natin. h2r5-turn-000236 00:14:38.210 --> 00:14:41.810 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, last clarification, Madam Chair, kay Secretary Balisakan. h2r5-turn-000237 00:14:42.050 --> 00:14:42.530 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yes. h2r5-turn-000238 00:14:42.790 --> 00:14:46.670 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much. That will be the last question for Cong. San Fernando. h2r5-turn-000239 00:14:47.190 --> 00:14:47.750 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Arsi h2r5-turn-000240 00:14:47.750 --> 00:14:49.630 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: please. h2r5-turn-000241 00:14:49.790 --> 00:14:55.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's where I completely, we completely agree with you, Your h2r5-turn-000242 00:14:55.170 --> 00:14:56.110 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Honor, that h2r5-turn-000243 00:14:56.110 --> 00:14:58.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what we need for h2r5-turn-000244 00:14:58.170 --> 00:15:00.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: this country, to move h2r5-turn-000245 00:15:00.790 --> 00:15:02.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: forward is the generation of h2r5-turn-000246 00:15:02.910 --> 00:15:05.870 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: quality jobs, better quality jobs. And h2r5-turn-000247 00:15:05.870 --> 00:15:06.230 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: precisely, h2r5-turn-000248 00:15:06.610 --> 00:15:08.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what we h2r5-turn-000249 00:15:08.310 --> 00:15:09.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are h2r5-turn-000250 00:15:09.030 --> 00:15:09.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: doing, h2r5-turn-000251 00:15:10.010 --> 00:15:12.070 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: focusing h2r5-turn-000252 00:15:12.070 --> 00:15:12.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for the last h2r5-turn-000253 00:15:12.970 --> 00:15:14.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: years h2r5-turn-000254 00:15:14.850 --> 00:15:16.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of this administration is h2r5-turn-000255 00:15:16.790 --> 00:15:18.750 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a faster execution of h2r5-turn-000256 00:15:18.750 --> 00:15:22.250 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: programs and projects, particularly those h2r5-turn-000257 00:15:22.250 --> 00:15:25.630 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: programs and projects that are so critical to h2r5-turn-000258 00:15:25.630 --> 00:15:26.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the generation of jobs. h2r5-turn-000259 00:15:27.110 --> 00:15:28.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Una na doon is... h2r5-turn-000260 00:15:28.850 --> 00:15:29.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yung h2r5-turn-000261 00:15:29.570 --> 00:15:30.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: quality h2r5-turn-000262 00:15:30.570 --> 00:15:31.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of infrastructure, h2r5-turn-000263 00:15:32.010 --> 00:15:34.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: particularly h2r5-turn-000264 00:15:34.310 --> 00:15:35.710 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sa energy, for example. h2r5-turn-000265 00:15:36.170 --> 00:15:40.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: If the cost of energy, Your h2r5-turn-000266 00:15:40.450 --> 00:15:40.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Honor, h2r5-turn-000267 00:15:42.250 --> 00:15:43.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is high, h2r5-turn-000268 00:15:44.230 --> 00:15:50.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: there's no way that you could generate a lot of jobs, a high quality of jobs, because your manufacturing would not be able to h2r5-turn-000269 00:15:50.990 --> 00:15:54.110 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: generate good h2r5-turn-000270 00:15:54.110 --> 00:15:57.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: enough employment, and especially for exports. h2r5-turn-000271 00:15:58.850 --> 00:15:59.590 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, we h2r5-turn-000272 00:15:59.590 --> 00:16:01.250 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: need to address the, h2r5-turn-000273 00:16:01.270 --> 00:16:05.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what we call the critical constraints to investment and growth. h2r5-turn-000274 00:16:06.890 --> 00:16:19.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Infrastructure, number one, is doing business, number two. Then this, what we call this, the loss of confidence and trust in our institutions. h2r5-turn-000275 00:16:22.820 --> 00:16:29.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that's what we are trying to recover from. Kaya, yung budget is precisely... h2r5-turn-000276 00:16:30.550 --> 00:16:32.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: frame to speed up our h2r5-turn-000277 00:16:32.890 --> 00:16:33.710 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: recovery. h2r5-turn-000278 00:16:34.530 --> 00:16:35.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that's what h2r5-turn-000279 00:16:35.490 --> 00:16:36.630 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we h2r5-turn-000280 00:16:36.630 --> 00:16:37.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: should... And h2r5-turn-000281 00:16:37.570 --> 00:16:41.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: recovery means that, you know, business and consumer confidence will also h2r5-turn-000282 00:16:41.430 --> 00:16:44.390 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: improve. h2r5-turn-000283 00:16:45.050 --> 00:16:46.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you. Thank you, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-000284 00:16:46.490 --> 00:16:46.641 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr. h2r5-turn-000285 00:16:46.641 --> 00:16:49.390 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Chair, mabilis na mabilis na po. Thank you very much. Mabilis na mabilis na po, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-000286 00:16:49.390 --> 00:16:50.970 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pwede po sa next round, kasi marami po... Yes po, h2r5-turn-000287 00:16:51.050 --> 00:16:55.010 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: magpapalist na po ako sa second round. Mabilis na po, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-000288 00:16:55.430 --> 00:16:57.470 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: It would be unfair to our colleagues. h2r5-turn-000289 00:16:57.890 --> 00:17:00.010 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kanina, Mr. Chair, may nag-extend. Mabilis h2r5-turn-000290 00:17:00.010 --> 00:17:00.250 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na po. h2r5-turn-000291 00:17:00.450 --> 00:17:02.550 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mabilis na po, Mr. Chair. Okay h2r5-turn-000292 00:17:02.550 --> 00:17:02.830 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lang po. h2r5-turn-000293 00:17:04.410 --> 00:17:08.830 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang pupuntuhin ko lang naman po, Mr. Chair, maganda po na admission from the DepDev yun. h2r5-turn-000294 00:17:09.590 --> 00:17:15.810 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na ang rason kung bakit mababa ang investor's confidence dito sa bansa natin, h2r5-turn-000295 00:17:16.310 --> 00:17:19.910 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mataas ang utilities, at grabe, laganap ang korupsyon. h2r5-turn-000296 00:17:20.350 --> 00:17:22.730 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So maganda po yun. So yun h2r5-turn-000297 00:17:22.730 --> 00:17:26.570 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lang naman po, Mr. Chair, ang gusto kong ipoint at magpapalista po ako for second round. Okay. h2r5-turn-000298 00:17:26.710 --> 00:17:28.830 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Kong San Fernando. h2r5-turn-000299 00:17:30.450 --> 00:17:31.130 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Back to the majority. h2r5-turn-000300 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:34.350 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May we call on Congressman Arnan h2r5-turn-000301 00:17:34.350 --> 00:17:35.510 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Panaligan. h2r5-turn-000302 00:17:37.570 --> 00:17:38.360 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: You have the floor. h2r5-turn-000303 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:39.000 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Thank h2r5-turn-000304 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:43.900 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: you very much, Vice Chair. This is a question addressed probably to our h2r5-turn-000305 00:17:43.900 --> 00:17:46.420 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: DepDev. h2r5-turn-000306 00:17:47.040 --> 00:17:51.600 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: In your presentation earlier this morning, you mentioned that one h2r5-turn-000307 00:17:51.600 --> 00:17:53.840 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: of the problems h2r5-turn-000308 00:17:53.840 --> 00:17:55.420 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: or the weakness h2r5-turn-000309 00:17:55.420 --> 00:18:00.700 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: in our economy is structural. Because we are more reliant on services. h2r5-turn-000310 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.560 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Rather than industry. In fact, agriculture industry lag h2r5-turn-000311 00:18:05.560 --> 00:18:06.760 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: behind the h2r5-turn-000312 00:18:06.760 --> 00:18:08.320 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: services sector. And h2r5-turn-000313 00:18:08.320 --> 00:18:10.780 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: that could be the reason why we h2r5-turn-000314 00:18:10.780 --> 00:18:12.560 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: cannot provide better h2r5-turn-000315 00:18:12.560 --> 00:18:15.920 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: quality and better paying jobs to our people. h2r5-turn-000316 00:18:16.780 --> 00:18:19.800 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So some economists refer to this as premature h2r5-turn-000317 00:18:19.800 --> 00:18:22.280 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: deindustrialization. h2r5-turn-000318 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.540 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: That is, we leapfrog from agrarian economy to h2r5-turn-000319 00:18:26.540 --> 00:18:28.140 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: services. So h2r5-turn-000320 00:18:28.140 --> 00:18:29.100 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we skip that part, h2r5-turn-000321 00:18:29.220 --> 00:18:31.340 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: that portion of industrialization. h2r5-turn-000322 00:18:31.760 --> 00:18:34.940 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: We know that manufacturing provides more h2r5-turn-000323 00:18:34.940 --> 00:18:36.180 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: jobs, better jobs, better h2r5-turn-000324 00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:39.480 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: paying jobs and quality jobs. But we skip that. h2r5-turn-000325 00:18:41.760 --> 00:18:42.360 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So h2r5-turn-000326 00:18:42.360 --> 00:18:44.260 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: considering that situation, h2r5-turn-000327 00:18:44.840 --> 00:18:46.280 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: do h2r5-turn-000328 00:18:46.280 --> 00:18:48.380 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we have a clear program, a road map, h2r5-turn-000329 00:18:48.560 --> 00:18:51.380 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: an industrial policy to h2r5-turn-000330 00:18:51.380 --> 00:18:52.920 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: reindustrialize or h2r5-turn-000331 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.200 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: to pursue industrialization and h2r5-turn-000332 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:57.940 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: manufacturing? So h2r5-turn-000333 00:18:57.940 --> 00:18:59.720 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we can provide better jobs to our people. h2r5-turn-000334 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:01.220 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Such as shipbuilding. h2r5-turn-000335 00:19:01.760 --> 00:19:02.260 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: We h2r5-turn-000336 00:19:02.260 --> 00:19:04.040 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: buy our auto-ships from China. h2r5-turn-000337 00:19:05.060 --> 00:19:07.660 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Our steel, we don't have an integrated steel mill. h2r5-turn-000338 00:19:09.280 --> 00:19:12.800 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Even in pharmaceuticals, we import our drug h2r5-turn-000339 00:19:12.800 --> 00:19:13.280 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: requirements. h2r5-turn-000340 00:19:13.780 --> 00:19:14.900 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: And all h2r5-turn-000341 00:19:14.900 --> 00:19:16.820 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: our basic necessities are h2r5-turn-000342 00:19:16.820 --> 00:19:25.980 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: imported. I remember when I was young, 1970s, laking h2r5-turn-000343 00:19:25.980 --> 00:19:28.680 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: sa mga produkto natin, made in the Philippines. Made h2r5-turn-000344 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:30.480 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: in China, made in Thailand, made in Indonesia. h2r5-turn-000345 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:32.480 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So ano ang produkto? So ano h2r5-turn-000346 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:32.840 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: ang h2r5-turn-000347 00:19:32.840 --> 00:19:36.960 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: programa natin to reindustrialize? If we deindustrialize, as some economists said, h2r5-turn-000348 00:19:37.100 --> 00:19:39.780 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: ano yung ating klarong road map to h2r5-turn-000349 00:19:39.780 --> 00:19:42.120 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: boost industrialization para h2r5-turn-000350 00:19:42.120 --> 00:19:44.860 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: maging matiba yung ating structure ng ating ekonomiya? h2r5-turn-000351 00:19:45.100 --> 00:19:45.780 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: At h2r5-turn-000352 00:19:45.780 --> 00:19:47.720 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: hindi tayo reliant lamang sa services sector. h2r5-turn-000353 00:19:50.360 --> 00:19:54.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that if we try h2r5-turn-000354 00:19:54.980 --> 00:19:57.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to understand closely why our h2r5-turn-000355 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.080 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: manufacturing, our industry, h2r5-turn-000356 00:20:00.280 --> 00:20:01.380 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: failed h2r5-turn-000357 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:02.900 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to catch up with our neighbors, h2r5-turn-000358 00:20:04.060 --> 00:20:07.140 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what becomes clear is that we, h2r5-turn-000359 00:20:07.300 --> 00:20:14.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: over decades, have failed to address those structural issues that I mentioned that h2r5-turn-000360 00:20:14.980 --> 00:20:18.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: makes our industries, our exports, quite h2r5-turn-000361 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:19.580 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: uncompetitive. h2r5-turn-000362 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:25.140 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And ito lang nga, I think it was emphasized, the issues on h2r5-turn-000363 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:27.060 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: poor h2r5-turn-000364 00:20:27.060 --> 00:20:28.060 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: quality of infrastructure, h2r5-turn-000365 00:20:29.760 --> 00:20:32.180 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yung sa backlogs h2r5-turn-000366 00:20:32.180 --> 00:20:34.040 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: lang natin sa connectivity. h2r5-turn-000367 00:20:34.060 --> 00:20:34.820 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For h2r5-turn-000368 00:20:34.820 --> 00:20:36.360 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: example, when h2r5-turn-000369 00:20:36.360 --> 00:20:37.960 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I say connectivity, the h2r5-turn-000370 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.380 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: physical connectivity as well as the digital connectivity. h2r5-turn-000371 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:42.560 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Whereas, h2r5-turn-000372 00:20:42.700 --> 00:20:47.620 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: those services are very costly in our country compared h2r5-turn-000373 00:20:47.620 --> 00:20:48.480 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to our neighbors. h2r5-turn-000374 00:20:49.560 --> 00:20:51.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Partly because we haven't h2r5-turn-000375 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:52.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: invested enough, h2r5-turn-000376 00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:55.080 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: but secondly, the h2r5-turn-000377 00:20:55.080 --> 00:20:59.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: quality of that investment is not good enough, so they did not last long, h2r5-turn-000378 00:20:59.500 --> 00:21:01.060 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: maintenance cost h2r5-turn-000379 00:21:01.060 --> 00:21:02.900 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: was high, and so on. h2r5-turn-000380 00:21:04.080 --> 00:21:04.700 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Number h2r5-turn-000381 00:21:04.700 --> 00:21:05.960 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: two is, I h2r5-turn-000382 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:06.600 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think that h2r5-turn-000383 00:21:06.600 --> 00:21:09.460 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: all h2r5-turn-000384 00:21:09.460 --> 00:21:12.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what h2r5-turn-000385 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:17.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: various chambers have been telling us about the cost of doing business in h2r5-turn-000386 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:19.640 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our country, we h2r5-turn-000387 00:21:21.530 --> 00:21:26.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: have improved quite a bit, as I showed earlier this morning, h2r5-turn-000388 00:21:26.290 --> 00:21:29.550 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: but we need to improve much faster h2r5-turn-000389 00:21:29.550 --> 00:21:32.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: than our neighbors so that we'll be able to catch up. h2r5-turn-000390 00:21:34.150 --> 00:21:34.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's h2r5-turn-000391 00:21:34.770 --> 00:21:53.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: just luck. Ang lang ko sa permitting, getting permits to start a business or to close a business, it takes weeks, according to the report, to some studies, to do it here, and only a day or two in some h2r5-turn-000392 00:21:53.150 --> 00:21:57.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: countries like Singapore or Australia or even Thailand. h2r5-turn-000393 00:21:57.990 --> 00:22:01.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, those are the structural issues that I am talking about. h2r5-turn-000394 00:22:02.090 --> 00:22:04.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I believe that if we address those structural issues, h2r5-turn-000395 00:22:05.950 --> 00:22:08.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we don't even have to push h2r5-turn-000396 00:22:08.310 --> 00:22:11.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: industrial policy in h2r5-turn-000397 00:22:11.190 --> 00:22:14.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the way that our neighbors did. h2r5-turn-000398 00:22:14.990 --> 00:22:18.510 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Now, we choose champions because by h2r5-turn-000399 00:22:18.510 --> 00:22:28.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: addressing those structural issues, you essentially make industry more competitive, more profitable, and h2r5-turn-000400 00:22:28.030 --> 00:22:32.050 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: even our local industrialists should be able to grow. h2r5-turn-000401 00:22:33.550 --> 00:22:39.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, yan ho. But I think I also mentioned, the need for a better and much more improved coordination h2r5-turn-000402 00:22:40.130 --> 00:22:42.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: between the public and the private sector, h2r5-turn-000403 00:22:42.650 --> 00:22:44.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as well as across government. h2r5-turn-000404 00:22:45.870 --> 00:22:49.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think the public-private partnership is the way to go, h2r5-turn-000405 00:22:49.930 --> 00:22:54.550 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: especially in times when our fiscal issues h2r5-turn-000406 00:22:54.550 --> 00:23:04.090 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are severe enough because of the so many development needs that we have to address all at the same time. Okay. h2r5-turn-000407 00:23:05.950 --> 00:23:10.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: As presented this morning by BSP, our banks h2r5-turn-000408 00:23:10.270 --> 00:23:12.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are awash with cash, with liquidity. h2r5-turn-000409 00:23:13.410 --> 00:23:14.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Why are they not being invested? h2r5-turn-000410 00:23:15.750 --> 00:23:18.050 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Why is this cash not h2r5-turn-000411 00:23:18.050 --> 00:23:21.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: being invested for factories? h2r5-turn-000412 00:23:23.730 --> 00:23:24.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's h2r5-turn-000413 00:23:24.490 --> 00:23:25.530 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: because, perhaps, h2r5-turn-000414 00:23:25.830 --> 00:23:29.650 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: it's not profitable to do so unless h2r5-turn-000415 00:23:29.650 --> 00:23:33.510 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we address these structural difficulties. h2r5-turn-000416 00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:38.750 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And so that's what will create jobs, if you are able to h2r5-turn-000417 00:23:38.750 --> 00:23:42.370 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: address those difficulties, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-000418 00:23:43.230 --> 00:23:44.970 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Yes, I agree with you, Secretary. h2r5-turn-000419 00:23:46.010 --> 00:23:47.330 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: You have to address the h2r5-turn-000420 00:23:47.330 --> 00:23:50.030 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: bottlenecks in infrastructure, the h2r5-turn-000421 00:23:50.030 --> 00:23:50.910 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: high h2r5-turn-000422 00:23:50.910 --> 00:23:51.630 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: cost of energy, h2r5-turn-000423 00:23:52.050 --> 00:23:54.030 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: doing business, etc. h2r5-turn-000424 00:23:54.410 --> 00:23:56.750 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: But unless and until we address that, we h2r5-turn-000425 00:23:56.750 --> 00:23:58.990 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: will not have a strong h2r5-turn-000426 00:23:58.990 --> 00:24:02.030 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: industrial base. We will be trapped forever in h2r5-turn-000427 00:24:02.030 --> 00:24:04.257 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: this system. We will be trapped h2r5-turn-000428 00:24:04.257 --> 00:24:04.443 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: forever h2r5-turn-000429 00:24:04.443 --> 00:24:06.210 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: in an economy that is import-dependent, where h2r5-turn-000430 00:24:06.210 --> 00:24:08.770 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we will be given low-paying jobs. I h2r5-turn-000431 00:24:08.770 --> 00:24:10.530 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: hope we will be aggressive in h2r5-turn-000432 00:24:10.530 --> 00:24:14.230 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: promoting industrialization as h2r5-turn-000433 00:24:14.230 --> 00:24:15.390 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: a way to escape poverty. h2r5-turn-000434 00:24:16.610 --> 00:24:17.770 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Anyway, thank you, Secretary. h2r5-turn-000435 00:24:18.510 --> 00:24:21.490 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Going to the PBM, h2r5-turn-000436 00:24:21.790 --> 00:24:25.410 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: although our budget increased from 6 h2r5-turn-000437 00:24:25.410 --> 00:24:29.070 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: .7 trillion in 2026 to 7.2 trillion for h2r5-turn-000438 00:24:29.070 --> 00:24:30.650 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: 2027, there h2r5-turn-000439 00:24:30.650 --> 00:24:33.150 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: are reductions in the major sectors, like h2r5-turn-000440 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:33.610 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: agriculture. Culture, h2r5-turn-000441 00:24:34.550 --> 00:24:35.950 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: health, social services, h2r5-turn-000442 00:24:36.330 --> 00:24:37.710 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: education. h2r5-turn-000443 00:24:38.650 --> 00:24:40.366 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: What is the reason, h2r5-turn-000444 00:24:40.366 --> 00:24:43.797 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: considering that the proposed budget has increased from h2r5-turn-000445 00:24:43.797 --> 00:24:46.370 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: 6.7 to 7.2 trillion, h2r5-turn-000446 00:24:46.650 --> 00:24:49.750 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: but the major sectors suffered, that h2r5-turn-000447 00:24:49.750 --> 00:24:52.510 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: have a direct impact on h2r5-turn-000448 00:24:52.510 --> 00:24:53.490 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: poverty reduction? h2r5-turn-000449 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, yun pong noted reduction h2r5-turn-000450 00:25:00.940 --> 00:25:02.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nabanggit po ng h2r5-turn-000451 00:25:02.060 --> 00:25:04.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maga department ay h2r5-turn-000452 00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:10.200 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bunga rin po ng assessment ng kanilang paggamit ng 2026 GAA h2r5-turn-000453 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:14.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: may malaki pa rin pong bahagi ng kanilang current budget ang hind pa nila nagagamit h2r5-turn-000454 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:19.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: so in consideration of their absorptive capacity, ginamit po natin 'yon h2r5-turn-000455 00:25:19.780 --> 00:25:21.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in determining h2r5-turn-000456 00:25:21.560 --> 00:25:22.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: how h2r5-turn-000457 00:25:22.300 --> 00:25:29.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: much of that level, particularly po yung kanilang mga infrastructure projects. But definitely not zero, Your Honor, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-000458 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:35.086 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ginamit lang po natin yung absorptive capacity nila para mag-recommend ng mas mababang amount h2r5-turn-000459 00:25:35.086 --> 00:25:35.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung ikukumpara po sa 2026 GAA h2r5-turn-000460 00:25:35.290 --> 00:25:40.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: although h2r5-turn-000461 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung titignan po natin yung 2026 NEP, h2r5-turn-000462 00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:47.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ito po ay halos kaparehong amount po para sa kanilang mga infrastructure projects. h2r5-turn-000463 00:25:48.080 --> 00:25:51.600 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So, would you say na meron parang, as of now, may underspending sila? h2r5-turn-000464 00:25:52.040 --> 00:25:54.860 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Malaki pa ang kanilang mga balanse, kaya hindi sila binigyan. h2r5-turn-000465 00:25:54.980 --> 00:25:56.220 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So, parang may underspending. h2r5-turn-000466 00:25:56.460 --> 00:25:57.400 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: And, would h2r5-turn-000467 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:02.780 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: you agree na because of their failure to spend, or obligate to spend yung kanilang mga allocation for this year, h2r5-turn-000468 00:26:03.060 --> 00:26:04.460 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: eh, reason h2r5-turn-000469 00:26:04.460 --> 00:26:05.160 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: yun kung h2r5-turn-000470 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:05.440 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: bakit, h2r5-turn-000471 00:26:05.800 --> 00:26:07.000 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: ang ating growth rate, h2r5-turn-000472 00:26:07.100 --> 00:26:11.280 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: 2.6 lamang noong quarter 1, and 2.3 noong quarter 2? h2r5-turn-000473 00:26:12.220 --> 00:26:13.840 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Whereas, kung nailabas ang perang yan, h2r5-turn-000474 00:26:14.040 --> 00:26:15.500 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: nabusa na ang ating ekonomiya? h2r5-turn-000475 00:26:16.260 --> 00:26:21.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor, Madam Chair, bahagi po iyon, no, na kung ito po ay kanilang ma-implement sa h2r5-turn-000476 00:26:21.140 --> 00:26:22.200 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mas h2r5-turn-000477 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lalong maagang panahon, ito rin po ay magkocontribute sa ating economic growth. h2r5-turn-000478 00:26:26.560 --> 00:26:29.820 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So, they should ramp up spending for the last two quarters, no? h2r5-turn-000479 00:26:30.040 --> 00:26:30.440 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So h2r5-turn-000480 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:31.960 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: that we can meet yung ating target. h2r5-turn-000481 00:26:33.340 --> 00:26:34.280 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Another question, no? h2r5-turn-000482 00:26:34.600 --> 00:26:35.420 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Hopefully, the last, h2r5-turn-000483 00:26:35.800 --> 00:26:38.020 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: of the 50 h2r5-turn-000484 00:26:38.020 --> 00:26:43.300 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: billion peso unprogrammed appropriations for the AFP modernization program for h2r5-turn-000485 00:26:43.300 --> 00:26:44.120 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: 2026, h2r5-turn-000486 00:26:44.870 --> 00:26:47.000 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: how much has been actually released, if any? h2r5-turn-000487 00:26:47.810 --> 00:26:49.540 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Because, last, h2r5-turn-000488 00:26:49.840 --> 00:26:50.540 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: for this year, h2r5-turn-000489 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.180 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: the appropriation for the AFP modernization is 40 h2r5-turn-000490 00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:54.560 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: billion. h2r5-turn-000491 00:26:54.820 --> 00:26:57.010 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: It's a regular appropriations h2r5-turn-000492 00:26:57.010 --> 00:26:59.200 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: and 50 billion unprogrammed. h2r5-turn-000493 00:26:59.590 --> 00:27:00.980 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So, I just want to know h2r5-turn-000494 00:27:00.980 --> 00:27:02.780 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: if there h2r5-turn-000495 00:27:02.780 --> 00:27:04.300 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: has been a release from h2r5-turn-000496 00:27:04.300 --> 00:27:07.760 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: that 50 billion, 50 billion peso unprogrammed appropriations. h2r5-turn-000497 00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:18.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, sa ngayon po, wala pa pong release for the revised AFP modernization program under the 2026 unprogrammed appropriations. h2r5-turn-000498 00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:20.560 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: And will there be a release h2r5-turn-000499 00:27:21.380 --> 00:27:23.560 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: before the end of the year? h2r5-turn-000500 00:27:24.140 --> 00:27:31.360 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, dalawa po yung consideration. Number one po, presence po ng trigger, which is excess revenue. And pangalawa po, h2r5-turn-000501 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:38.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung may pangangailangan pa po, dahil, syempre po, inuuna po natin gamitin, ngayon, yung programmed appropriations for h2r5-turn-000502 00:27:38.180 --> 00:27:40.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the revised AFP modernization program. h2r5-turn-000503 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:42.960 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: But would you agree that h2r5-turn-000504 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.900 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: spending for the AFP modernization should h2r5-turn-000505 00:27:46.900 --> 00:27:49.300 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: not be viewed as a financial burden to h2r5-turn-000506 00:27:49.300 --> 00:27:50.200 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: the government, ano? h2r5-turn-000507 00:27:50.740 --> 00:27:52.180 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Dahil, for h2r5-turn-000508 00:27:52.180 --> 00:27:53.460 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: example, we h2r5-turn-000509 00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:53.640 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: have h2r5-turn-000510 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.100 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: vast maritime areas, h2r5-turn-000511 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:56.820 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: may marine wealth dyan, h2r5-turn-000512 00:27:56.980 --> 00:27:58.420 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: pagkain, source of food, h2r5-turn-000513 00:27:58.540 --> 00:28:01.000 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: aquatic resources that could have fed millions h2r5-turn-000514 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:05.300 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: of our fisher folk and those living in coastal communities where poverty is h2r5-turn-000515 00:28:05.300 --> 00:28:06.620 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: quite high. Also, h2r5-turn-000516 00:28:07.040 --> 00:28:09.040 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: our maritime areas contain h2r5-turn-000517 00:28:09.040 --> 00:28:10.060 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: natural h2r5-turn-000518 00:28:10.060 --> 00:28:11.840 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: gas or oil deposits. But h2r5-turn-000519 00:28:11.840 --> 00:28:13.480 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we cannot explore them because h2r5-turn-000520 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:14.600 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: somebody is claiming that. h2r5-turn-000521 00:28:14.760 --> 00:28:15.820 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: With a strong navy, h2r5-turn-000522 00:28:16.040 --> 00:28:19.480 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we can secure our maritime areas, our maritime wealth. h2r5-turn-000523 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:21.440 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: And that h2r5-turn-000524 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:22.060 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: could help h2r5-turn-000525 00:28:22.060 --> 00:28:28.400 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: in alleviating poverty. So would you agree that spending for naval modernization is h2r5-turn-000526 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:29.980 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: a way also of h2r5-turn-000527 00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:33.680 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: enabling us to explore our maritime wealth in our areas? h2r5-turn-000528 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:35.400 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Thank you very much. h2r5-turn-000529 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:36.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank h2r5-turn-000530 00:28:36.380 --> 00:28:39.320 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: you very much, Cong Arnan. That will be the last question. Salamat po. h2r5-turn-000531 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:41.240 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim, please reply. h2r5-turn-000532 00:28:41.580 --> 00:28:41.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam h2r5-turn-000533 00:28:41.740 --> 00:28:51.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, Your Honor, yes po. And we evaluate naman po, not only the Navy, but the entire AFP, the request as soon as we receive them with complete documentation, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-000534 00:28:52.120 --> 00:28:54.300 Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-000535 00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:59.020 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, maraming salamat po. h2r5-turn-000536 00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:02.900 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Next on our list, we go back to the minority. h2r5-turn-000537 00:29:04.300 --> 00:29:06.740 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now call Congressman Edgar h2r5-turn-000538 00:29:06.740 --> 00:29:08.020 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Erice h2r5-turn-000539 00:29:08.020 --> 00:29:08.120 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ericek. h2r5-turn-000540 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:11.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sir, kayo na po. h2r5-turn-000541 00:29:11.980 --> 00:29:12.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. h2r5-turn-000542 00:29:16.410 --> 00:29:19.370 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Asensya na po, ginugulo ako ni Tonypet h2r5-turn-000543 00:29:19.550 --> 00:29:20.230 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Anyway, h2r5-turn-000544 00:29:20.510 --> 00:29:24.290 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: good afternoon. My first question is to the Chair. h2r5-turn-000545 00:29:26.420 --> 00:29:27.100 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Can h2r5-turn-000546 00:29:27.100 --> 00:29:27.980 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: you explain to us h2r5-turn-000547 00:29:27.980 --> 00:29:36.800 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: what is particularly, basically the role of the DBCC in rationalizing the National Independence Program, h2r5-turn-000548 00:29:37.780 --> 00:29:40.340 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: particularly on public h2r5-turn-000549 00:29:40.340 --> 00:29:43.360 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: policy standards, on alignment h2r5-turn-000550 00:29:45.280 --> 00:29:47.000 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: with the Philippines, h2r5-turn-000551 00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:47.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: on development plan, h2r5-turn-000552 00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:50.300 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: and h2r5-turn-000553 00:29:50.300 --> 00:29:54.680 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: maintaining an equitable distribution of the program? h2r5-turn-000554 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.360 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, the DBCC as a committee considers, h2r5-turn-000555 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: approves and recommends to the President yun h2r5-turn-000556 00:30:04.180 --> 00:30:09.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pong ating medium to long term fiscal program, Kabilang po dyan yung ating h2r5-turn-000557 00:30:09.080 --> 00:30:13.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: projected deficit and fixing as well the h2r5-turn-000558 00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:33.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ceiling, the expenditure program. At yun po yung ginagamit ng DBM naman Naman, kapag na-fix na po ng DBCC yung ating magiging ceiling ng expenditure program, yun po yung ginagamit na ng DBM sa pag-assess ng bawat isang proposal ng mga ahensya. At sa DBM na po nangyayari yung pag h2r5-turn-000559 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:39.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -assess po natin ng alignment with our priority development plans and implementation readiness of the proposal. h2r5-turn-000560 00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:43.420 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: And you do have parameters, For example, assessing h2r5-turn-000561 00:30:43.420 --> 00:30:47.440 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: projects, department, can you name it? h2r5-turn-000562 00:30:47.780 --> 00:30:52.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. Yes, Your Madam Honor, Chair, Among others, unang h2r5-turn-000563 00:30:52.080 --> 00:31:00.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -una po kapag meron pong proposal, yung completion po ng supporting documents. So meron po tayong mga nakalatag ng mga budget preparation. forms na h2r5-turn-000564 00:31:00.700 --> 00:31:10.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: makakapag-prove po ng tinatawag naming implementation readiness. Dahil kung implementation ready po yung isang proyekto, ibig sabihin po, consistent din po dun sa ating h2r5-turn-000565 00:31:10.320 --> 00:31:15.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GAS release order, mabilis pong ma-implement yung project pagkapasa pa lamang po ng h2r5-turn-000566 00:31:15.740 --> 00:31:20.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GAA. Kasama rin po dun sa ating assessment, yun po kanilang h2r5-turn-000567 00:31:20.260 --> 00:31:24.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: utilization rate. Gaya po nang nabanggit po kanina, ito po yung dahilan. h2r5-turn-000568 00:31:26.180 --> 00:31:31.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ilang department po na medyo bumaba dahil may mga continuing pa po silang mga pondo from 2026. h2r5-turn-000569 00:31:32.500 --> 00:31:36.100 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: With that, how can you explain that 1.45 trillion of h2r5-turn-000570 00:31:36.100 --> 00:31:38.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the national budget of the 19th Congress were re-aligned h2r5-turn-000571 00:31:38.860 --> 00:31:42.880 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: to projects that were not really meant to be? h2r5-turn-000572 00:31:44.760 --> 00:31:50.280 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Paano po na-implement the 1.45 trillion in the insertions, diversions, amendments without h2r5-turn-000573 00:31:50.280 --> 00:31:52.560 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the knowledge of h2r5-turn-000574 00:31:52.560 --> 00:31:54.020 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the President and without the h2r5-turn-000575 00:31:54.020 --> 00:31:57.440 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: interference from the Department of Budget and Management? h2r5-turn-000576 00:31:58.860 --> 00:31:59.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your h2r5-turn-000577 00:32:00.940 --> 00:32:04.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor, Madam Chair, ito po ay sa 2026 po. h2r5-turn-000578 00:32:07.260 --> 00:32:07.900 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: No. h2r5-turn-000579 00:32:09.340 --> 00:32:11.260 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Upang hindi na maulit ngayon, h2r5-turn-000580 00:32:11.260 --> 00:32:14.240 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: bakit nakalusot? Kasi dapat h2r5-turn-000581 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.240 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: malaman natin, paano nakalusot sa inyo? h2r5-turn-000582 00:32:17.300 --> 00:32:21.340 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Paano nakalusot sa Presidente yung 1.45 trillion h2r5-turn-000583 00:32:21.340 --> 00:32:21.720 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na h2r5-turn-000584 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:28.700 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: halos pinalitan ng Kongreso, yung President's Budget, yung Philippine Development Plan? Paano nakalusot sa inyo yan? h2r5-turn-000585 00:32:31.830 --> 00:32:32.165 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Uh h2r5-turn-000586 00:32:32.165 --> 00:32:39.810 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair. Your Honor, marahil po ito po yung mga changes that was introduced doon po sa ating 2026 GAA. h2r5-turn-000587 00:32:40.290 --> 00:32:45.250 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito rin po yung dahilan kung bakit po doon sa veto message ng ating Presidente, h2r5-turn-000588 00:32:45.250 --> 00:32:50.770 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sinubject niya po ito doon sa further documentation at pagbibigay po sa amin, h2r5-turn-000589 00:32:50.870 --> 00:32:54.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bago po ma-release ng DBM yung karampatang allotment, ma h2r5-turn-000590 00:32:54.690 --> 00:32:59.750 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -substantiate at ma-document po muna ng mga ahensya kung saan po nakalatag h2r5-turn-000591 00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:03.391 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung mga changes na na-introduce po, bago po namin i-release yung mga changes. h2r5-turn-000592 00:33:05.350 --> 00:33:13.450 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig po sabihin na vet nyo na lahat ng mga projects, for example, lalo na sa Department of Public Works, dahil may naging controversy, we h2r5-turn-000593 00:33:13.450 --> 00:33:14.590 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: should learn from our lessons. h2r5-turn-000594 00:33:15.130 --> 00:33:16.570 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Have you learned your lesson? h2r5-turn-000595 00:33:17.630 --> 00:33:25.890 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, yes po. For 2027, talaga pong sinusuportahan po ng complete documentation, including h2r5-turn-000596 00:33:25.890 --> 00:33:31.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po yung Program of Works, ang bawat isa pong proyekto na nasa 2027 National Expenditure Program. h2r5-turn-000597 00:33:33.470 --> 00:33:36.990 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Wala po bang Leadership Fund allowed? h2r5-turn-000598 00:33:38.010 --> 00:33:44.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Wala po at hindi po kami aware, Your Honor, kasi po we only evaluate the proposals submitted by the Department. h2r5-turn-000599 00:33:44.630 --> 00:33:51.450 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ibig sabihin yung 1.45 trillion na pinalitan ng mga leaders ng Kongreso na nakaraan, di nyo alam sa h2r5-turn-000600 00:33:51.450 --> 00:33:53.290 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: DBM? h2r5-turn-000601 00:33:55.690 --> 00:34:04.730 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, ang projects po ay nakikita po namin after the NEP, the GAA, the Enrolled Bill was submitted after the bicam. h2r5-turn-000602 00:34:08.610 --> 00:34:09.290 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: National h2r5-turn-000603 00:34:09.290 --> 00:34:10.690 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Budget, pinalitan. h2r5-turn-000604 00:34:11.730 --> 00:34:12.410 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2024, h2r5-turn-000605 00:34:12.910 --> 00:34:13.490 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pinalitan. h2r5-turn-000606 00:34:14.150 --> 00:34:14.830 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2025, h2r5-turn-000607 00:34:15.430 --> 00:34:16.570 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pinalitan. h2r5-turn-000608 00:34:17.130 --> 00:34:18.130 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ibig sabihin, h2r5-turn-000609 00:34:18.290 --> 00:34:21.430 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: wala po kayo monitoring yung h2r5-turn-000610 00:34:21.430 --> 00:34:25.710 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: DBM po. Hindi nyo ba pinaratingin sa Presidente na ganito yun ang nangyayari? h2r5-turn-000611 00:34:36.040 --> 00:34:43.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Madam Chair, patungkol po doon sa mga, although yun nga po, I'm not personally privy on that particular items, h2r5-turn-000612 00:34:45.220 --> 00:34:49.261 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mayroon pong pagbabago naman po doon sa NEP to GAA ay h2r5-turn-000613 00:34:49.261 --> 00:34:53.303 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang comparison lang po nito once we receive the Enrolled Bill h2r5-turn-000614 00:34:53.303 --> 00:34:58.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bago po tayo mag-recommend. At yun nga po ang naging karampatang rekomendasyon was h2r5-turn-000615 00:34:58.900 --> 00:35:02.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to subject kung meron man pong changes na na-introduce or new projects, h2r5-turn-000616 00:35:03.180 --> 00:35:06.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay isubstantiate po ng mga departments bago tuluyang ma-implement. h2r5-turn-000617 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:12.120 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pero ang Secretary po ng DBM, isa lang yan. Marami po kayong mga staff na matatagal na dyan. h2r5-turn-000618 00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:14.640 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano ba nangyari? Bakit pumayag? h2r5-turn-000619 00:35:15.220 --> 00:35:17.560 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi nyo ba brinief yung h2r5-turn-000620 00:35:17.560 --> 00:35:20.840 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ating Executive, yung ating Presidente na h2r5-turn-000621 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:21.860 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ganyan h2r5-turn-000622 00:35:21.860 --> 00:35:23.160 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang ginagawa ng Kongreso? h2r5-turn-000623 00:35:25.220 --> 00:35:25.780 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: O h2r5-turn-000624 00:35:25.780 --> 00:35:26.560 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: wala na lang h2r5-turn-000625 00:35:26.560 --> 00:35:28.720 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kayong kibo? Ganun po ba? h2r5-turn-000626 00:35:31.540 --> 00:35:44.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, isa po sa observation na parati naman po na ipaparating din po is yung effect po ng mga changes na ito, particularly sa implementation ng iba pang mga priority projects. h2r5-turn-000627 00:35:45.240 --> 00:35:48.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kabila nga po sa ilang naapektuhan, would h2r5-turn-000628 00:35:48.140 --> 00:35:53.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: be some of the foreign-assisted projects na priority rin po ng administration. And this is regularly reported. h2r5-turn-000629 00:35:55.560 --> 00:35:57.960 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, priority po yung flood control? h2r5-turn-000630 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:02.220 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung 1.45 insertions in 3 h2r5-turn-000631 00:36:02.220 --> 00:36:03.680 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: years? Priority po ba yan? h2r5-turn-000632 00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:14.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya po, Your Honor, Madam Chair, nandun po sa veto message na ito po mga changes in the budget as introduced, including among others, the flood control projects, ay h2r5-turn-000633 00:36:14.740 --> 00:36:16.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dapat po na sumailalim sa h2r5-turn-000634 00:36:16.540 --> 00:36:23.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: determination ng department, substantiation po nila ng details itong mga proyekto na ito, h2r5-turn-000635 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: including other applicable h2r5-turn-000636 00:36:26.780 --> 00:36:29.420 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget rules po, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-000637 00:36:29.540 --> 00:36:30.360 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-000638 00:36:33.910 --> 00:36:34.710 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yun pong h2r5-turn-000639 00:36:34.710 --> 00:36:35.550 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: tungkol naman sa h2r5-turn-000640 00:36:35.550 --> 00:36:38.230 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: unprogrammed appropriations for your h2r5-turn-000641 00:36:38.230 --> 00:36:41.930 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2027 711.984 billion, h2r5-turn-000642 00:36:42.370 --> 00:36:46.130 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang pinakamalaki po dito ay DPWH h2r5-turn-000643 00:36:47.290 --> 00:36:49.350 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: When you submit all h2r5-turn-000644 00:36:49.350 --> 00:36:49.930 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the projects, h2r5-turn-000645 00:36:50.070 --> 00:36:53.770 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: stated by the h2r5-turn-000646 00:36:53.770 --> 00:36:54.810 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: different implementations. h2r5-turn-000647 00:36:55.870 --> 00:36:58.330 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At ano pong status dito mga ito? Ito ba mga, h2r5-turn-000648 00:36:58.430 --> 00:37:01.610 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kasi po nakalagay dito, support to foreign-assisted projects, h2r5-turn-000649 00:37:01.890 --> 00:37:04.110 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: hindi sinabing foreign-assisted projects. h2r5-turn-000650 00:37:04.830 --> 00:37:10.930 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ano po yung mga items na ito? At ano pong status ng mga foreign-assisted projects na ito? So, aprobado na ba ito? h2r5-turn-000651 00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:12.270 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung hindi pa, h2r5-turn-000652 00:37:12.410 --> 00:37:14.030 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: gaano katagal ito h2r5-turn-000653 00:37:14.030 --> 00:37:16.730 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: mapoprocess? h2r5-turn-000654 00:37:17.290 --> 00:37:20.250 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung aprobado na, bakit nasa unprogrammed, bakit hindi sa programmed? h2r5-turn-000655 00:37:21.870 --> 00:37:33.250 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, lahat po ng foreign-assisted projects na nasa unprogrammed appropriations for 2027 ay sumasa ilalim pa po sa necessary approval sa ICC at h2r5-turn-000656 00:37:33.250 --> 00:37:34.030 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa ED Council h2r5-turn-000657 00:37:34.350 --> 00:37:39.890 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At lahat po ng mga ongoing or aprobado na pong mga foreign-assisted projects ay nasa loob po ng h2r5-turn-000658 00:37:39.890 --> 00:37:42.570 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: programmed appropriations. We will submit h2r5-turn-000659 00:37:42.570 --> 00:37:43.090 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to h2r5-turn-000660 00:37:43.090 --> 00:37:48.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the Committee on Appropriations, Madam Chair, Your Honor, the breakdown of the support. Foreign-assisted projects na h2r5-turn-000661 00:37:48.950 --> 00:37:53.230 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lahat po ay sumasa ilalim pa sa review ng ICC at ng ED County. h2r5-turn-000662 00:37:53.410 --> 00:37:57.350 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Can you submit it at least one week or two weeks before the plenary? h2r5-turn-000663 00:37:57.630 --> 00:37:58.590 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will do, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-000664 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.100 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you. And my next question h2r5-turn-000665 00:38:02.100 --> 00:38:02.700 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: is h2r5-turn-000666 00:38:02.700 --> 00:38:04.200 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: to h2r5-turn-000667 00:38:04.200 --> 00:38:06.440 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Secretary Frederick Go h2r5-turn-000668 00:38:09.870 --> 00:38:14.230 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Noong nagsasalita po kayo kanina, parang ang tingin ko napakaganda ng ekonomiya ng Pilipinas. h2r5-turn-000669 00:38:15.130 --> 00:38:16.030 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: You said that h2r5-turn-000670 00:38:18.390 --> 00:38:23.010 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang debt to GDP ratio natin is 56%. Tama po ba yan? h2r5-turn-000671 00:38:26.390 --> 00:38:28.530 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Sir, the general h2r5-turn-000672 00:38:28.530 --> 00:38:30.230 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: government debt to h2r5-turn-000673 00:38:30.230 --> 00:38:32.210 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: GDP is h2r5-turn-000674 00:38:32.210 --> 00:38:35.270 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: currently at 58.6%. h2r5-turn-000675 00:38:36.110 --> 00:38:36.770 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Is h2r5-turn-000676 00:38:36.770 --> 00:38:41.630 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: there any other parameter? Yung general debt? Meron pa po ba ang hindi general? h2r5-turn-000677 00:38:42.170 --> 00:38:44.710 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, sir. National government debt. h2r5-turn-000678 00:38:45.640 --> 00:38:49.370 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yan po. Ang tinatanong ko ay national government debt to GDP ratio, h2r5-turn-000679 00:38:49.610 --> 00:38:50.590 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: which is more h2r5-turn-000680 00:38:50.590 --> 00:38:51.050 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: appropriate. h2r5-turn-000681 00:38:51.390 --> 00:38:53.790 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: That is 64.9%, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-000682 00:38:54.070 --> 00:38:57.050 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 64.9%. And it was announced by h2r5-turn-000683 00:38:57.050 --> 00:38:58.090 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: your h2r5-turn-000684 00:38:58.090 --> 00:39:00.310 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: office in February 3. Tama po? h2r5-turn-000685 00:39:01.510 --> 00:39:02.150 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I h2r5-turn-000686 00:39:02.150 --> 00:39:08.090 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: cannot remember the date we announced. But that's the number po. 64.9% for national government debt to GDP. h2r5-turn-000687 00:39:10.150 --> 00:39:11.210 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Salamat po sa h2r5-turn-000688 00:39:11.210 --> 00:39:18.230 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Department of kay Secretary, kababayan ko, Ilocano. Secretary Balisacan h2r5-turn-000689 00:39:18.590 --> 00:39:20.410 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Napaka, meron h2r5-turn-000690 00:39:20.410 --> 00:39:20.890 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: po kayong mga h2r5-turn-000691 00:39:20.890 --> 00:39:24.190 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: projections dito na pagtaas sa 2027-28. h2r5-turn-000692 00:39:24.650 --> 00:39:29.210 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Nung ating GDP. Nung pagbabaan ng inflation. Ano pong basis nito? h2r5-turn-000693 00:39:33.220 --> 00:39:37.840 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Well, the primary h2r5-turn-000694 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:50.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: driver for the sharp slowdown in the last three quarters is one, the governance h2r5-turn-000695 00:39:51.550 --> 00:39:52.010 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: issues, h2r5-turn-000696 00:39:52.390 --> 00:39:53.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: right? Two, h2r5-turn-000697 00:39:55.970 --> 00:39:56.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the h2r5-turn-000698 00:39:56.290 --> 00:39:59.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Middle East conflict. h2r5-turn-000699 00:40:00.730 --> 00:40:04.710 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: led to sharp increases in oil prices that h2r5-turn-000700 00:40:04.710 --> 00:40:08.370 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: drove inflation sharply. h2r5-turn-000701 00:40:08.590 --> 00:40:12.090 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And those combinations caused a h2r5-turn-000702 00:40:12.090 --> 00:40:13.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: taming or h2r5-turn-000703 00:40:13.170 --> 00:40:25.630 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a deterioration of the consumer and business confidence. So yung h2r5-turn-000704 00:40:25.630 --> 00:40:28.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: domestic demand, h2r5-turn-000705 00:40:28.410 --> 00:40:30.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: slowdown. h2r5-turn-000706 00:40:31.250 --> 00:40:31.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Significantly. h2r5-turn-000707 00:40:32.010 --> 00:40:32.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Now, h2r5-turn-000708 00:40:32.690 --> 00:40:33.930 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so moving forward, h2r5-turn-000709 00:40:34.190 --> 00:40:34.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and what we are h2r5-turn-000710 00:40:34.970 --> 00:40:38.070 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: trying to convey here is h2r5-turn-000711 00:40:38.070 --> 00:40:39.210 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that we h2r5-turn-000712 00:40:39.210 --> 00:40:40.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: must address those issues. h2r5-turn-000713 00:40:41.130 --> 00:40:41.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Of h2r5-turn-000714 00:40:41.410 --> 00:40:43.330 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: course, we cannot do much about the h2r5-turn-000715 00:40:43.330 --> 00:40:44.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Middle East conflict, h2r5-turn-000716 00:40:44.270 --> 00:40:47.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: but we should be able to respond through the appropriate tools in our h2r5-turn-000717 00:40:47.890 --> 00:40:49.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hands to h2r5-turn-000718 00:40:49.850 --> 00:40:55.090 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: moderate the impact of those. And that's what we did under the Uplift program, for example. h2r5-turn-000719 00:40:56.210 --> 00:41:02.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: With respect to the other one, this governance and corruption. issues that h2r5-turn-000720 00:41:02.410 --> 00:41:03.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also h2r5-turn-000721 00:41:03.150 --> 00:41:06.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: impacted on h2r5-turn-000722 00:41:06.190 --> 00:41:09.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our domestic h2r5-turn-000723 00:41:09.950 --> 00:41:13.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sentiments, business and consumer sentiments, that h2r5-turn-000724 00:41:13.350 --> 00:41:18.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: requires a lot h2r5-turn-000725 00:41:18.290 --> 00:41:20.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of reforms from us, including h2r5-turn-000726 00:41:20.950 --> 00:41:24.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: those reforms that would have to come from Congress. h2r5-turn-000727 00:41:24.510 --> 00:41:28.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I outlined this morning, for example, some of the h2r5-turn-000728 00:41:28.470 --> 00:41:36.250 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: laws that we must pass. to establish or re-establish trust in our institutions and governance, h2r5-turn-000729 00:41:36.730 --> 00:41:40.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: but we also can do a lot of things like h2r5-turn-000730 00:41:40.170 --> 00:41:42.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: speeding up the implementation of h2r5-turn-000731 00:41:42.490 --> 00:41:47.590 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: programs, particularly those overly delayed projects, h2r5-turn-000732 00:41:48.090 --> 00:41:49.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so h2r5-turn-000733 00:41:49.470 --> 00:41:57.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that the services of these projects can now be felt by ordinary Filipinos. Those, I think, will establish confidence and move us to move forward, will h2r5-turn-000734 00:41:57.770 --> 00:41:59.250 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: speed up our recovery. h2r5-turn-000735 00:42:00.730 --> 00:42:02.778 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that would enable us to h2r5-turn-000736 00:42:02.778 --> 00:42:05.167 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: achieve the 3.5 to 4 h2r5-turn-000737 00:42:05.167 --> 00:42:05.508 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: .5 h2r5-turn-000738 00:42:05.849 --> 00:42:09.604 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: growth for next year, for this year, and 5 to h2r5-turn-000739 00:42:09.604 --> 00:42:09.945 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 6 h2r5-turn-000740 00:42:10.286 --> 00:42:11.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for next year. h2r5-turn-000741 00:42:11.570 --> 00:42:13.934 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Would you agree po na h2r5-turn-000742 00:42:13.934 --> 00:42:18.661 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang pinakamalaking dahilan dito ay yung pagpagsak ng ekonomiya natin h2r5-turn-000743 00:42:18.661 --> 00:42:19.134 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ay h2r5-turn-000744 00:42:19.134 --> 00:42:21.970 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung budget and flood control scandal? h2r5-turn-000745 00:42:22.310 --> 00:42:23.010 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kasi po, h2r5-turn-000746 00:42:23.110 --> 00:42:27.290 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: wala pa namang Middle East crisis noong h2r5-turn-000747 00:42:27.290 --> 00:42:28.310 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: late h2r5-turn-000748 00:42:28.310 --> 00:42:31.069 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2025, pero bumagsak na ng... 3 h2r5-turn-000749 00:42:31.408 --> 00:42:31.746 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung h2r5-turn-000750 00:42:31.746 --> 00:42:32.763 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: GDP natin, from h2r5-turn-000751 00:42:32.763 --> 00:42:33.102 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: as h2r5-turn-000752 00:42:33.102 --> 00:42:36.151 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: high as 5%, di ba? Mahigit 5% h2r5-turn-000753 00:42:38.540 --> 00:42:43.900 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: There were already, even before the Middle East conflict, of course, there were already some other disturbances, h2r5-turn-000754 00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:47.760 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: like there h2r5-turn-000755 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.320 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: was a surge in global trade h2r5-turn-000756 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: uncertainty because of the, well, part h2r5-turn-000757 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.920 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: because of the tariff, changing tariff regime in h2r5-turn-000758 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the U.S. That happened way before the... h2r5-turn-000759 00:43:04.140 --> 00:43:08.800 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Middle East conflict, and that affected trade h2r5-turn-000760 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:11.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: flows and investment flows around the world. h2r5-turn-000761 00:43:12.180 --> 00:43:23.960 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And then, of course, as we were trying to recover from that, including the effects of, remember, we also had unfortunate climate h2r5-turn-000762 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:30.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -related issues during the last quarters of 2024 and h2r5-turn-000763 00:43:30.240 --> 00:43:30.860 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: early 2025. h2r5-turn-000764 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:33.280 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We h2r5-turn-000765 00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.860 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are trying, or we are recovering from that when the Middle East conflict coming in. So, h2r5-turn-000766 00:43:37.900 --> 00:43:40.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: those combinations really h2r5-turn-000767 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: dented h2r5-turn-000768 00:43:44.540 --> 00:43:47.140 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our business h2r5-turn-000769 00:43:47.140 --> 00:43:52.300 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and consumer confidence, and that's why the domestic demand, you could see, it's particularly consumption. h2r5-turn-000770 00:43:54.600 --> 00:43:55.080 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, h2r5-turn-000771 00:43:55.140 --> 00:43:58.020 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: do you think confidence will return? h2r5-turn-000772 00:43:58.840 --> 00:43:59.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I believe h2r5-turn-000773 00:43:59.500 --> 00:44:01.360 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so. We believe so. So, if you are, you know... So, h2r5-turn-000774 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:02.840 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kung hindi po nare-resolve yung governance issue? h2r5-turn-000775 00:44:03.240 --> 00:44:10.403 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I believe so. We have to work as a whole of government, I don't think that any one sector, any h2r5-turn-000776 00:44:10.403 --> 00:44:13.880 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: one branch of government can resolve that issue. We have to work as an h2r5-turn-000777 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:18.520 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: entire government, Congress, the executive, and even h2r5-turn-000778 00:44:18.520 --> 00:44:20.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our judiciary. This is an issue that we, as h2r5-turn-000779 00:44:20.980 --> 00:44:22.100 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a nation, we have to face. h2r5-turn-000780 00:44:23.240 --> 00:44:25.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And, of course, there must be a public policy on that. h2r5-turn-000781 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.960 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And I think the executive department should lead the h2r5-turn-000782 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:31.300 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: public h2r5-turn-000783 00:44:31.300 --> 00:44:32.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: policy. On the h2r5-turn-000784 00:44:32.660 --> 00:44:34.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: resolution of this governance issue. h2r5-turn-000785 00:44:35.240 --> 00:44:36.960 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano po ba ang gagawin ng h2r5-turn-000786 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:41.240 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: executive department dito sa pag-re-resolve nito, public policy issue? h2r5-turn-000787 00:44:41.380 --> 00:44:48.620 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yes, for those in the executive that we have control of, for example, I h2r5-turn-000788 00:44:48.620 --> 00:44:52.480 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mentioned about the execution. This is faster execution of h2r5-turn-000789 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: government programs, particularly infrastructure. h2r5-turn-000790 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that we can do, h2r5-turn-000791 00:44:59.560 --> 00:44:59.760 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and h2r5-turn-000792 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.700 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that's what we are trying. We are now addressing. h2r5-turn-000793 00:45:03.340 --> 00:45:04.560 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Because, you know, the h2r5-turn-000794 00:45:04.560 --> 00:45:07.080 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: two quarters h2r5-turn-000795 00:45:07.080 --> 00:45:09.060 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of under h2r5-turn-000796 00:45:09.060 --> 00:45:09.520 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -spending, h2r5-turn-000797 00:45:09.740 --> 00:45:13.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if we can mobilize that in h2r5-turn-000798 00:45:13.240 --> 00:45:15.040 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the second h2r5-turn-000799 00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:16.260 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: half of the year, h2r5-turn-000800 00:45:16.500 --> 00:45:17.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that could h2r5-turn-000801 00:45:17.680 --> 00:45:20.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: drive growth substantially. h2r5-turn-000802 00:45:21.220 --> 00:45:27.120 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that is what we are working on, speeding up the implementation. In the meantime, h2r5-turn-000803 00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:30.260 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Congress has also had to pass h2r5-turn-000804 00:45:30.260 --> 00:45:31.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: those... Those h2r5-turn-000805 00:45:31.680 --> 00:45:37.280 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: urgent laws that we have identified as key h2r5-turn-000806 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:38.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to re h2r5-turn-000807 00:45:38.680 --> 00:45:40.780 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -establishing confidence in h2r5-turn-000808 00:45:40.780 --> 00:45:45.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our institutions, particularly addressing the structural issues that I h2r5-turn-000809 00:45:45.660 --> 00:45:47.480 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also mentioned earlier. h2r5-turn-000810 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.600 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you. I don't want to belabor the point, but my h2r5-turn-000811 00:45:51.600 --> 00:45:53.720 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: opinion is that the President should h2r5-turn-000812 00:45:53.720 --> 00:45:54.800 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: really mean it h2r5-turn-000813 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.960 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: to resolve these issues of budget and floodgates. h2r5-turn-000814 00:46:00.980 --> 00:46:04.180 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Control, infrastructure, scandal, to h2r5-turn-000815 00:46:04.180 --> 00:46:12.120 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: be able to regain the confidence of investors, businessmen, and even our foreign investors. Thank you. h2r5-turn-000816 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:13.640 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Last question h2r5-turn-000817 00:46:13.640 --> 00:46:16.080 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That will be the last question. h2r5-turn-000818 00:46:16.580 --> 00:46:17.420 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Mayroon pa. h2r5-turn-000819 00:46:18.140 --> 00:46:18.900 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Mayroon na. h2r5-turn-000820 00:46:19.180 --> 00:46:19.740 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Mayroon pa. h2r5-turn-000821 00:46:20.140 --> 00:46:23.580 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Last question. Last question, Cong Egay. h2r5-turn-000822 00:46:25.350 --> 00:46:26.570 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Maigsing-maigsi h2r5-turn-000823 00:46:29.570 --> 00:46:32.470 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sinabi kanina ni Secretary Frederick Go h2r5-turn-000824 00:46:33.990 --> 00:46:37.590 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kailangan po talaga may discipline yung spending natin sa h2r5-turn-000825 00:46:37.590 --> 00:46:38.730 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kinakaharap natin h2r5-turn-000826 00:46:38.730 --> 00:46:40.610 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na h2r5-turn-000827 00:46:40.610 --> 00:46:45.730 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 1.6 trillion na deficit for this h2r5-turn-000828 00:46:45.730 --> 00:46:46.050 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: year? h2r5-turn-000829 00:46:46.270 --> 00:46:48.650 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, importante na yung gagastusin natin, h2r5-turn-000830 00:46:48.650 --> 00:46:50.830 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: magpapaunlad sa atin. h2r5-turn-000831 00:46:51.460 --> 00:46:52.090 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po, h2r5-turn-000832 00:46:52.190 --> 00:46:52.950 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Secretary. h2r5-turn-000833 00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:58.590 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung po bang katakot-takot, nakita ko po yung pag-angat ng maraming mga h2r5-turn-000834 00:46:58.590 --> 00:47:01.910 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: programa, katakot-takot po ayuda. h2r5-turn-000835 00:47:03.250 --> 00:47:04.790 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: In fact, kahit sa ayuda, h2r5-turn-000836 00:47:04.990 --> 00:47:06.510 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pagdating po sa h2r5-turn-000837 00:47:06.510 --> 00:47:07.950 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: social, h2r5-turn-000838 00:47:08.170 --> 00:47:11.630 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: sa livelihood project h2r5-turn-000839 00:47:11.630 --> 00:47:18.350 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na makapagpaangat ng kabuhayan, mas maliit kaysa dun sa talagang ayuda na pamigay lang para h2r5-turn-000840 00:47:18.350 --> 00:47:19.830 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: masinasaboy lang yung pera h2r5-turn-000841 00:47:19.830 --> 00:47:23.410 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: sa kalsada. For example, h2r5-turn-000842 00:47:23.690 --> 00:47:23.950 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung... h2r5-turn-000843 00:47:24.770 --> 00:47:26.550 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: For example, bigyan ko yun ng example. h2r5-turn-000844 00:47:27.710 --> 00:47:31.230 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung po ba, wise utilization of resources? Yung... h2r5-turn-000845 00:47:31.910 --> 00:47:35.850 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 8 billion pinamigay ng presidente sa h2r5-turn-000846 00:47:35.850 --> 00:47:37.550 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 42,000 h2r5-turn-000847 00:47:37.550 --> 00:47:38.810 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: baranggays. h2r5-turn-000848 00:47:39.530 --> 00:47:41.630 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 20,000 pesos h2r5-turn-000849 00:47:41.630 --> 00:47:43.750 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: sa limang eskolar. h2r5-turn-000850 00:47:44.770 --> 00:47:48.810 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At 100,000 para sa mga proyekto ng h2r5-turn-000851 00:47:48.810 --> 00:47:50.190 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: baranggay. Do h2r5-turn-000852 00:47:50.190 --> 00:47:51.090 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: you have enough h2r5-turn-000853 00:47:51.090 --> 00:48:00.410 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: absorptive capacity to monitor kung saan napunta itong 8 billion na ito? Sa amin o, sa kaloocan. Yung h2r5-turn-000854 00:48:00.410 --> 00:48:04.250 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 100,000 para sa iskolar, pinaghahati-hati, ginawang tiglilimang-libo h2r5-turn-000855 00:48:05.570 --> 00:48:08.330 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung 100,000, mayroon h2r5-turn-000856 00:48:08.330 --> 00:48:11.150 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pa ako gumawa ng project, yung stud sa h2r5-turn-000857 00:48:11.150 --> 00:48:11.930 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kalsada, yung h2r5-turn-000858 00:48:11.930 --> 00:48:13.410 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: nilalagay. h2r5-turn-000859 00:48:14.270 --> 00:48:14.610 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, h2r5-turn-000860 00:48:14.630 --> 00:48:19.390 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: paano na mamonitor ito? Paano natin ma-account itong 8 billion na ito? h2r5-turn-000861 00:48:20.070 --> 00:48:23.570 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you for that last question, Cong Egay. h2r5-turn-000862 00:48:24.010 --> 00:48:27.350 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I think that question was addressed to... h2r5-turn-000863 00:48:29.510 --> 00:48:30.810 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sa address, kay Sec. Kim. h2r5-turn-000864 00:48:31.310 --> 00:48:31.790 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, h2r5-turn-000865 00:48:31.850 --> 00:48:32.130 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. h2r5-turn-000866 00:48:32.750 --> 00:48:33.230 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, h2r5-turn-000867 00:48:33.330 --> 00:48:49.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor. Kung ito po ay mga proyektong ini-implement po ng LGU galing po sa national government, meron po tayong standing agreement with DILG, bukod pa po ito sa regular audit function po ng Commission on Audit. So, DILG, Your Honor, is in charge po of monitoring the h2r5-turn-000868 00:48:49.150 --> 00:48:55.990 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proper implementation of these projects vis-a-vis the guidelines for the utilization. But we'll take note of that particular concern, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-000869 00:48:58.010 --> 00:48:58.330 Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you. h2r5-turn-000870 00:48:59.510 --> 00:49:01.410 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong Egay. Thank you, Sec. Kim. h2r5-turn-000871 00:49:02.270 --> 00:49:04.110 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now go back to the majority. h2r5-turn-000872 00:49:05.370 --> 00:49:08.690 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May we call on Congressman Romeo h2r5-turn-000873 00:49:08.690 --> 00:49:09.670 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Momo. h2r5-turn-000874 00:49:10.030 --> 00:49:11.270 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sir, you have the floor. h2r5-turn-000875 00:49:13.340 --> 00:49:15.740 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maraming salamat po. h2r5-turn-000876 00:49:16.680 --> 00:49:20.160 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Mr. Chairman, I don't know where to address this question, but anyway. h2r5-turn-000877 00:49:21.640 --> 00:49:25.000 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: In the government's medium-term policy h2r5-turn-000878 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.660 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: on infrastructure spending, h2r5-turn-000879 00:49:28.300 --> 00:49:32.940 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: the proposed budget allocation should be... between 5 to 6 percent of the GDP. h2r5-turn-000880 00:49:34.060 --> 00:49:38.980 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: I think this policy is consistent with all other emerging economies in the world. h2r5-turn-000881 00:49:40.420 --> 00:49:42.580 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: My question is, in h2r5-turn-000882 00:49:42.580 --> 00:49:43.900 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: our 2027 budget, h2r5-turn-000883 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.160 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: how much had been... how h2r5-turn-000884 00:49:47.160 --> 00:49:49.280 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: many percent had h2r5-turn-000885 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.360 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: been allocated for infrastructure h2r5-turn-000886 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:53.980 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: development versus h2r5-turn-000887 00:49:53.980 --> 00:49:56.200 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: the projected GDP for 2027? h2r5-turn-000888 00:49:58.380 --> 00:49:59.980 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, Cong h2r5-turn-000889 00:49:59.980 --> 00:50:04.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Momo, are you addressing to the question... to any particular agency? h2r5-turn-000890 00:50:05.580 --> 00:50:07.840 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Anybody who can answer that, Mr. Chairman. h2r5-turn-000891 00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:12.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Chair Momo, if I may direct that question to the DBM. h2r5-turn-000892 00:50:12.860 --> 00:50:14.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, what is the h2r5-turn-000893 00:50:14.060 --> 00:50:16.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: infrastructure budget relative to the GDP? h2r5-turn-000894 00:50:17.380 --> 00:50:18.280 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Yes, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-000895 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:25.420 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor. Infrastructure projects in the 2027 NEP is at 4.4 percent of our GDP. h2r5-turn-000896 00:50:28.540 --> 00:50:31.300 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: 4.4 percent is 1.467 h2r5-turn-000897 00:50:31.300 --> 00:50:32.957 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: trillion. I think. h2r5-turn-000898 00:50:32.957 --> 00:50:33.574 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Madam h2r5-turn-000899 00:50:33.574 --> 00:50:34.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-000900 00:50:34.900 --> 00:50:38.180 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Which is way far behind 1.66 h2r5-turn-000901 00:50:38.180 --> 00:50:44.040 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: trillion if our GDP h2r5-turn-000902 00:50:44.040 --> 00:50:45.700 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: is 33 trillion in h2r5-turn-000903 00:50:45.700 --> 00:50:50.420 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: 2027. Tama ba ako, Madam h2r5-turn-000904 00:50:50.420 --> 00:50:53.920 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Chair, na 33 trillion ang ating projected GDP for h2r5-turn-000905 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:55.100 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: 2027? h2r5-turn-000906 00:50:57.300 --> 00:50:59.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Madam Chair, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-000907 00:50:59.220 --> 00:51:04.440 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: So, therefore, ang 5 percent sana is 1.66, di ba, Madam Chairman? So, malayo pa pa po tayo doon. h2r5-turn-000908 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:09.500 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Bakit po hindi natin binuo na lang ng buong 5 percent? h2r5-turn-000909 00:51:10.220 --> 00:51:14.080 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: So that we can catch up with all other countries in Asia or in the world. h2r5-turn-000910 00:51:14.720 --> 00:51:16.760 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: In terms of the infrastructure development. h2r5-turn-000911 00:51:19.120 --> 00:51:22.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Actually, Madam Chair, Your Honor, yung isa pong consideration natin. h2r5-turn-000912 00:51:24.730 --> 00:51:30.510 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, yung benchmark po na nabanggit po ng Honorable Congressman Momo, h2r5-turn-000913 00:51:31.190 --> 00:51:40.210 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi pa po kasama doon sa binanggit po natin actually our ongoing public-private partnership. So, yung 4.4 percent po natin ay h2r5-turn-000914 00:51:40.210 --> 00:51:48.710 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pawang yung nandun pa lang po sa National Expenditure Program. At meron pa po tayong mga infrastructure projects which we intend to undertake through PPP. h2r5-turn-000915 00:51:49.210 --> 00:51:52.090 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Hopefully, pag in-add up po natin ito, h2r5-turn-000916 00:51:52.090 --> 00:52:00.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: can push up yung ating ratio of infraspending as a percentage of GDP higher close to the 5 percent benchmark. h2r5-turn-000917 00:52:03.470 --> 00:52:06.290 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Yes, Madam Chair. Well, h2r5-turn-000918 00:52:06.370 --> 00:52:08.770 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: in the distribution of h2r5-turn-000919 00:52:08.770 --> 00:52:13.230 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: infra projects in 2027 by agencies, h2r5-turn-000920 00:52:17.730 --> 00:52:18.650 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: DPWH h2r5-turn-000921 00:52:18.650 --> 00:52:22.210 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: garnered 42.2 percent of the total share. h2r5-turn-000922 00:52:22.730 --> 00:52:26.630 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ang DOTR is second, is 16.9. h2r5-turn-000923 00:52:26.850 --> 00:52:33.830 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ang nagtataka lang ako, Madam Chair, ano ho itong GOCC's infrastructure program? h2r5-turn-000924 00:52:34.730 --> 00:52:38.130 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ano mga klaseng infrastruktura pa ito? h2r5-turn-000925 00:52:39.850 --> 00:52:46.370 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, yun pong nakatag sa infrastructure projects under BSGC or GOCCs. h2r5-turn-000926 00:52:46.510 --> 00:52:46.930 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito h2r5-turn-000927 00:52:46.930 --> 00:52:51.510 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po yung ating subsidy para po sa mga GOCC's na mag-iimplement ng h2r5-turn-000928 00:52:51.510 --> 00:52:57.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: iba't ibang infrastructure project. Nangunguna na po diyan yung National Irrigation Administration, which h2r5-turn-000929 00:52:57.110 --> 00:53:02.010 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is a GOCC na mag-iimplement po ng various irrigation projects nationwide. h2r5-turn-000930 00:53:03.570 --> 00:53:08.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kasama rin po diyan yung mga fish port projects under the Philippine h2r5-turn-000931 00:53:08.110 --> 00:53:11.250 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Fisheries Development Authority as h2r5-turn-000932 00:53:11.250 --> 00:53:14.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: well as, among others, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-000933 00:53:16.850 --> 00:53:21.610 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Madam Chair, in putting up an amount in its agencies h2r5-turn-000934 00:53:21.610 --> 00:53:25.030 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: of government, I think one of the consideration is h2r5-turn-000935 00:53:25.030 --> 00:53:26.150 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: the absorptive capacity. h2r5-turn-000936 00:53:26.970 --> 00:53:28.730 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Am I right, Madam Chair? h2r5-turn-000937 00:53:29.070 --> 00:53:30.450 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: It's one of the parameters. h2r5-turn-000938 00:53:31.030 --> 00:53:33.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. Madam Chair, among others. h2r5-turn-000939 00:53:34.970 --> 00:53:37.790 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Do you agree that, or h2r5-turn-000940 00:53:37.790 --> 00:53:40.430 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: are we in agreement na h2r5-turn-000941 00:53:40.430 --> 00:53:42.350 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: ang DepEd, which h2r5-turn-000942 00:53:42.350 --> 00:53:52.370 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: will have a 36.6 billion pesos for 2027, ang 2026 nga, hindi pa nila na-umpisahan, h2r5-turn-000943 00:53:52.710 --> 00:53:55.870 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: maubos kaya nila ito, Madam Chair? h2r5-turn-000944 00:53:57.370 --> 00:54:10.876 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, that's one of the reasons kung bakit po ang recommended level for DPID classrooms ay 36.6 dahil po yung kanila pong 2026 appropriations ay currently pa lang po nila sinisimulang i h2r5-turn-000945 00:54:10.876 --> 00:54:19.410 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -implement, i-procure o kabilang na po yung pagda-download sa mga LGUs as one of the modalities chosen by DepEd, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-000946 00:54:19.530 --> 00:54:24.210 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: The same is true in the Department of Agriculture, Madam Chairman. The h2r5-turn-000947 00:54:24.210 --> 00:54:31.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: amount is 37.99%, which is 2.6 share of the total infra budget. h2r5-turn-000948 00:54:32.610 --> 00:54:33.090 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ah, h2r5-turn-000949 00:54:33.450 --> 00:54:42.150 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: hindi mo ba, hindi ba alam din ng lahat na ang Department of Agriculture's projects in my, in our region is not yet started until now? h2r5-turn-000950 00:54:43.290 --> 00:54:44.250 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: For 2026. h2r5-turn-000951 00:54:44.810 --> 00:54:46.370 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Wala pa po hindi pa na-umpisahan. h2r5-turn-000952 00:54:47.010 --> 00:54:50.010 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: So magpa-pile up lang po itong mga allocations ng ito. h2r5-turn-000953 00:54:53.290 --> 00:55:03.648 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, we are aware po of the status of implementation of the Farm to Market Roads, kaya po ang narecommenda po naming level is less than the amount h2r5-turn-000954 00:55:03.648 --> 00:55:03.982 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in h2r5-turn-000955 00:55:03.982 --> 00:55:10.390 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the budget. originally proposed by the agency dahil po sa kanilang patuloy pa pong implementation of their 2026 project. h2r5-turn-000956 00:55:10.810 --> 00:55:12.150 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: I was wondering, Madam Chairman, h2r5-turn-000957 00:55:12.470 --> 00:55:15.950 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: when DPWH is the engineering arm of the government, h2r5-turn-000958 00:55:16.230 --> 00:55:18.210 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: bakit hindi natin ginamit sila ngayon? h2r5-turn-000959 00:55:19.270 --> 00:55:23.250 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Bakit maliit lang ang ilagay natin sa kanila when we all h2r5-turn-000960 00:55:23.250 --> 00:55:30.270 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: believe that the absorptive capacity is of DPWH is even higher than the rest of the agencies h2r5-turn-000961 00:55:31.410 --> 00:55:33.290 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: implementing infra-projects? h2r5-turn-000962 00:55:34.650 --> 00:55:40.550 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, isa rin po ito sa naging consideration ng DPWH at nung sila po ay ating h2r5-turn-000963 00:55:42.010 --> 00:55:44.030 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tinanong during the budget preparation, h2r5-turn-000964 00:55:44.930 --> 00:55:45.590 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mas nag h2r5-turn-000965 00:55:45.590 --> 00:55:54.030 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -favor po sila na implement ito ng mga respective implementing agencies, pagamat available pa rin naman po na option kung h2r5-turn-000966 00:55:54.030 --> 00:55:59.210 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung implementing agency po ay pipili na gamitin ang DPWH as a partner, h2r5-turn-000967 00:55:59.430 --> 00:56:04.010 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: posibleng pa rin naman po ito subject to entering a memorandum of agreement for the purpose. h2r5-turn-000968 00:56:04.830 --> 00:56:08.910 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ah, yes, okay. The next question, Madam Chairman, h2r5-turn-000969 00:56:09.090 --> 00:56:10.290 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: is in the regional h2r5-turn-000970 00:56:11.790 --> 00:56:12.450 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: allocation, h2r5-turn-000971 00:56:13.660 --> 00:56:15.410 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: yung regionalized budget natin. h2r5-turn-000972 00:56:15.650 --> 00:56:18.470 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: For the longest time in many budgets that I have seen, h2r5-turn-000973 00:56:20.170 --> 00:56:21.390 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: lagi ho ang h2r5-turn-000974 00:56:23.690 --> 00:56:30.430 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: CAR at saka yung Caraga receives the lowest percentage here in terms of h2r5-turn-000975 00:56:31.590 --> 00:56:32.910 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: regionalized allocation. h2r5-turn-000976 00:56:33.690 --> 00:56:45.590 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ah, these regions are belong to the poorer regions in the country. Hindi ba magiging magandang polisiya sana na yung medyo mahirap na region ay tulungan natin para h2r5-turn-000977 00:56:45.590 --> 00:56:49.830 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: at least maka-catch up naman sa neighboring regions? h2r5-turn-000978 00:56:59.100 --> 00:57:05.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Madam Chair, while we confirm po the figures referred to by the Honorable Momo is on the h2r5-turn-000979 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:06.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: percent h2r5-turn-000980 00:57:06.780 --> 00:57:07.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: share, h2r5-turn-000981 00:57:07.560 --> 00:57:14.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we would also like to submit na kung titignan din po natin yung per capita allocation nitong pong mga region, the region cited, h2r5-turn-000982 00:57:14.740 --> 00:57:18.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: which is CAR and Caraga actually has higher per h2r5-turn-000983 00:57:18.380 --> 00:57:20.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: capita allocation kung h2r5-turn-000984 00:57:20.900 --> 00:57:23.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ikukumpara po natin sa average po ng bawat rehiyon. h2r5-turn-000985 00:57:24.140 --> 00:57:27.840 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Per capita allocation I think is one of your criteria but h2r5-turn-000986 00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:30.180 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: land area is also one, di ba? h2r5-turn-000987 00:57:30.600 --> 00:57:33.940 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: And then the absence of infrastructure projects. h2r5-turn-000988 00:57:34.740 --> 00:57:40.520 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Hindi ba kaya, hindi ba niyo tinitingnan din na itong mga ito ay h2r5-turn-000989 00:57:40.520 --> 00:57:41.540 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: talagang h2r5-turn-000990 00:57:41.540 --> 00:57:49.300 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: kulang na kulang in terms of infrastructure and then yung land area is mas malaki pa kaysa iba siguro mga regions. h2r5-turn-000991 00:57:51.300 --> 00:57:51.920 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: I mean, h2r5-turn-000992 00:57:51.980 --> 00:57:56.280 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: it's better to revisit siguro in your next planning yung h2r5-turn-000993 00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:57.800 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: mga ganoon na mga criterias kasi h2r5-turn-000994 00:57:59.020 --> 00:58:05.800 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: lagi na lang in almost all budget that I have attended, laging kulilat ang mga regions na ito. h2r5-turn-000995 00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:08.400 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Kaya hindi sila maka-take off. h2r5-turn-000996 00:58:09.160 --> 00:58:13.827 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: They cannot catch up with the other regional offices. The regional h2r5-turn-000997 00:58:13.827 --> 00:58:18.760 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: centers because the assistance given by the government is not that much. h2r5-turn-000998 00:58:21.710 --> 00:58:35.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, we thank the Honorable Momo for that suggestion and definitely as we revisit po yung aming planning and budgeting linkage processes, isasama po namin yan sa aming improvement of the budget process. h2r5-turn-000999 00:58:35.810 --> 00:58:38.970 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: And please look into also the h2r5-turn-001000 00:58:38.970 --> 00:58:40.850 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: absence of infra as against h2r5-turn-001001 00:58:42.030 --> 00:58:43.230 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: the area. h2r5-turn-001002 00:58:44.150 --> 00:58:46.410 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: There is such parameter, as road h2r5-turn-001003 00:58:46.410 --> 00:58:47.310 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: length versus area. h2r5-turn-001004 00:58:47.670 --> 00:58:49.590 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Kung tingnan nyo, ang Mindanao talaga h2r5-turn-001005 00:58:49.590 --> 00:58:51.770 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: kulang, malaking area ang Mindanao, h2r5-turn-001006 00:58:51.890 --> 00:58:53.570 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: particularly Caraga. h2r5-turn-001007 00:58:55.310 --> 00:58:59.730 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Pero tingnan mo, medyo kulang, na kulang ang h2r5-turn-001008 00:59:00.970 --> 00:59:03.280 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: infrastructure development sa area na yan. h2r5-turn-001009 00:59:03.460 --> 00:59:04.820 Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: That's all, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-001010 00:59:05.140 --> 00:59:07.310 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Cong. Momo, h2r5-turn-001011 00:59:07.560 --> 00:59:08.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: for h2r5-turn-001012 00:59:08.680 --> 00:59:12.960 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: strictly and religiously sticking h2r5-turn-001013 00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:14.270 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: sticking with the time allotted. h2r5-turn-001014 00:59:15.750 --> 00:59:17.070 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Mayroon bang pending questions? h2r5-turn-001015 00:59:17.620 --> 00:59:19.930 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat po. So, now we go to the next h2r5-turn-001016 00:59:19.930 --> 00:59:22.800 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: representative. h2r5-turn-001018 00:59:24.050 --> 00:59:26.510 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Back to the minority. May h2r5-turn-001019 00:59:26.510 --> 00:59:29.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on Congresswoman Dadah Ismula. h2r5-turn-001020 00:59:29.990 --> 00:59:31.300 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ma'am, you have the floor. h2r5-turn-001021 00:59:32.210 --> 00:59:35.910 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Magandang. Maraming salamat po, Mr. Chair, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-001022 00:59:37.170 --> 00:59:37.730 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Assalamualaikum. h2r5-turn-001023 00:59:39.730 --> 00:59:40.850 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Maulan at h2r5-turn-001024 00:59:41.550 --> 00:59:43.490 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: maayong hapon sa atong tanan. h2r5-turn-001025 00:59:45.470 --> 00:59:49.950 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Mayroon lamang po kong mga ilang katanungan para sa DBM po. h2r5-turn-001026 00:59:50.470 --> 00:59:55.670 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Una, sa initial na assessment ng Akbayan sa ating NEP h2r5-turn-001027 00:59:55.670 --> 00:59:59.450 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: for fiscal year 2027, h2r5-turn-001028 00:59:59.450 --> 01:00:08.370 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: We found that there is a 17.3 increase in the budget allocation for debt interest payments from last year. h2r5-turn-001029 01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:19.190 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: The 1.1 trillion peso para sa debt service for 2027 is 15 15.5 of the total proposed budget. h2r5-turn-001030 01:00:19.550 --> 01:00:33.210 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Kung baga, ang binabayad natin sa mga utang halos katumbas sa bina-budget natin sa LGU sa buong bansa. for next next year. Ganon po siya kalaki, no? h2r5-turn-001031 01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:44.120 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: So, to DBM, what specific programs or investments were deprioritized to accommodate the debt service burden po? h2r5-turn-001032 01:01:00.200 --> 01:01:10.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Madam Chair, as to specific projects, kung ikukumpara po, kung babalikan po natin siguro po, no, from the original submission pa lamang ng mga ahensya, that's h2r5-turn-001033 01:01:10.860 --> 01:01:12.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 11.9 trillion h2r5-turn-001034 01:01:12.020 --> 01:01:18.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, dun pa lamang po, meron po tayong level of prioritization na ginawa at even h2r5-turn-001035 01:01:18.340 --> 01:01:23.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po yung proposal ng mga agencies in implementing the foreign assisted projects ay hindi po natin h2r5-turn-001036 01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:27.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: naman ibinigay lahat dahil in-assess din po natin yung h2r5-turn-001037 01:01:27.040 --> 01:01:30.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kakayahan nila to actually spend it during the fiscal h2r5-turn-001038 01:01:30.380 --> 01:01:34.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: year. But with the indulgence of the good Congresswoman, h2r5-turn-001039 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:59.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: medyo wala po kaming maibibigay na one specific project na hindi na naisama dahil po dun sa atin. which is actually an automatic appropriation po. But on a comparison, just on an aggregate level, from the proposal to the NEP, meron po talagang certain different projects na hindi po nakasama because of the limited fiscal space that we have. h2r5-turn-001040 01:01:59.160 --> 01:02:05.060 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: So ibig sabihin po, hindi ninyo maibibigay na specific kung ano yung na h2r5-turn-001041 01:02:05.060 --> 01:02:10.240 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: deprioritize ninyo para lang ma-accommodate yung debt service natin or debt h2r5-turn-001042 01:02:10.240 --> 01:02:12.240 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: service burden natin. h2r5-turn-001043 01:02:14.020 --> 01:02:15.860 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Dahil gineneralize ninyo na h2r5-turn-001044 01:02:15.860 --> 01:02:19.440 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: bawat ahensya, may h2r5-turn-001045 01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:21.880 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: mga ilang proyekto kayong hindi h2r5-turn-001046 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:24.040 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: inaprubahan. Tama ba? h2r5-turn-001047 01:02:25.040 --> 01:02:40.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Madam Chair, Your Honor, that is correct. Kasi po halos lahat naman po ay may mas mahabang listahan kaysa po dun sa actual na naibigay sa NEP. So, hindi lamang po siguro ito a handful of projects if that would be the question of Your Honor. h2r5-turn-001048 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:41.280 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Yeah. h2r5-turn-001049 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:49.153 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Actually kahit hindi nyo po sabihin, nakikita naman po namin sa NEP kung ano yung mga h2r5-turn-001050 01:02:49.153 --> 01:02:50.954 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: hindi na-accommodate. Pero h2r5-turn-001051 01:02:50.954 --> 01:02:54.106 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: dahil dyan, hindi ko na po bubusisiin, h2r5-turn-001052 01:02:54.106 --> 01:02:58.608 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: nakita naman po namin, nabanggit kasi kanina ang mga foreign h2r5-turn-001053 01:02:58.608 --> 01:03:01.760 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: assisted projects na nakapaloob sa unprogrammed appropriations. h2r5-turn-001054 01:03:02.100 --> 01:03:06.080 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Can you confirm po kung hindi na-meet h2r5-turn-001055 01:03:06.080 --> 01:03:25.780 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: na or hindi na-me-meet ng gobyerno ang ating counterpart funding obligation? At hindi ito na-implement. May mga kaakibat na commitment fees, penalty, charges, o non-utilization fees na binabayaran mula sa budget ng bayan sa mga lenders. Tama po ba? h2r5-turn-001056 01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:32.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Tama po, Your Honor, as to commitment fees kung hindi po natin na-utilize yung ating loan. h2r5-turn-001057 01:03:33.040 --> 01:03:39.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya po, priority natin na inilagay po ito ngayon sa programed appropriations, lalo na po sa mga ongoing projects. h2r5-turn-001058 01:03:40.520 --> 01:03:41.120 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Can h2r5-turn-001059 01:03:41.120 --> 01:03:51.740 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: you tell us po? How much the fees and penalties have been incurred from these delayed projects transferred to the UA since 2022 po? h2r5-turn-001060 01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:59.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, may we defer to DOF? h2r5-turn-001061 01:04:00.540 --> 01:04:03.060 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Can DOF reply? h2r5-turn-001062 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:05.600 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Madam h2r5-turn-001063 01:04:05.600 --> 01:04:06.360 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Chair, h2r5-turn-001064 01:04:06.540 --> 01:04:14.620 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for commitment fees incurred, we have incurred a total of 3.4 billion pesos during h2r5-turn-001065 01:04:14.620 --> 01:04:15.580 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the Marcos administration. h2r5-turn-001066 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.580 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Mula 2022 up to the present? h2r5-turn-001067 01:04:18.720 --> 01:04:20.300 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, ma'am. h2r5-turn-001068 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:28.360 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Okay, salamat po. Can you confirm that these penalties and fees form part of the debt interest payment category for this year? h2r5-turn-001069 01:04:29.260 --> 01:04:31.940 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, can I clarify? h2r5-turn-001070 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:35.100 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: What I gave you is not penalties, it's commitment fees. h2r5-turn-001071 01:04:36.620 --> 01:04:45.460 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Yung tanong ko po kasi sa inyo, sir, is yung ano to, can you tell us how much fees and penalties have incurred from h2r5-turn-001072 01:04:45.460 --> 01:04:53.380 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: these... penalties have been incurred from projects transferred to UAE mula 2022 po. h2r5-turn-001073 01:04:55.750 --> 01:04:58.450 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Hindi po yung commitment fees po. h2r5-turn-001074 01:04:58.490 --> 01:05:01.230 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Kasi, Your Honor, Madam Chair, if I can explain. h2r5-turn-001074-split-2 01:05:01.230 --> 01:05:03.970 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Go ahead. h2r5-turn-001075 01:05:04.510 --> 01:05:06.670 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: There's technically no penalty. These are the commitment fees you pay. h2r5-turn-001076 01:05:07.190 --> 01:05:13.910 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: If the project does not go ahead, you lose the commitment fee you paid. So there's technically no penalty. h2r5-turn-001077 01:05:14.690 --> 01:05:17.270 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But this is the total commitment fees we've paid. h2r5-turn-001078 01:05:18.290 --> 01:05:29.530 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Hindi po ba na kapag meron tayong foreign-assisted programs, na kapag hindi po natin nai-utilize, eh, meron po sa kontrata na nakalagay na mape-penalty tayo? h2r5-turn-001079 01:05:29.790 --> 01:05:33.570 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Can you confirm lang po? Kung mali po ako, that's fine. Just tell us po. h2r5-turn-001080 01:05:34.370 --> 01:05:38.870 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Ma'am, yeah, I think, Your Honor, Madam Chair, yes, I may have to h2r5-turn-001081 01:05:38.870 --> 01:05:42.210 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: confirm that there is no penalties. h2r5-turn-001082 01:05:42.890 --> 01:05:47.950 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think, Madam Chair, what the Honorable Congressman is referring to, h2r5-turn-001083 01:05:48.290 --> 01:05:55.710 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: are the contracts of, say, DOTR or DPWH, those have penalties. But from the point of view of DOF, ma'am, we have no penalties. h2r5-turn-001084 01:05:57.250 --> 01:05:58.770 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: So commitment fees lang? h2r5-turn-001085 01:05:59.010 --> 01:05:59.270 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes. h2r5-turn-001086 01:05:59.610 --> 01:05:59.990 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Okay po. h2r5-turn-001087 01:06:01.890 --> 01:06:07.130 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Pwede, salamat po sa naging response ninyo, Mr. Secretary, Madam Chair, h2r5-turn-001088 01:06:07.390 --> 01:06:09.310 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001089 01:06:10.310 --> 01:06:15.710 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Tatalon po ako ulit sa DBM. Patungkol po ito sa effects of El Nino. h2r5-turn-001090 01:06:16.590 --> 01:06:17.660 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Base sa h2r5-turn-001091 01:06:19.310 --> 01:06:35.210 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: 193rd DBCC Statement ng Medium Term Macroeconomic Assumptions posted on the DBM website na identify po ninyo ang effects ng El Nino na pwedeng risk sa ating economic growth. h2r5-turn-001092 01:06:35.590 --> 01:06:41.870 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Ang budget ba na-prinopose para sa 2027, hinahanda ba ang taong h2r5-turn-001093 01:06:41.870 --> 01:06:46.030 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: bayan sa panahon ng ulan, baha at tagtuyot? h2r5-turn-001094 01:06:46.310 --> 01:06:53.210 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Kasi medyo nakita. Nakita po kasi namin na pareho ang budget ng Calamity Fund this year at last year. So h2r5-turn-001095 01:06:53.210 --> 01:06:55.270 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: hinahanda ba natin ito? h2r5-turn-001096 01:06:55.710 --> 01:06:57.810 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Dahil may na-presume na tayo na h2r5-turn-001097 01:06:57.810 --> 01:07:01.210 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: effects ng El Nino. h2r5-turn-001098 01:07:01.770 --> 01:07:07.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, your honor, bukod po dun sa nabanggit na Calamity Fund at na h2r5-turn-001099 01:07:07.490 --> 01:07:20.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nakaantabay po sa ating budget, kung pinag-uusapan po ang El Nino, kasama pa rin po dito yung mga regular programs ng mga departamento, katulad na po ng DA. Meron po silang mga provision for h2r5-turn-001100 01:07:20.450 --> 01:07:24.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: instance fertilizers as well as yun h2r5-turn-001101 01:07:24.290 --> 01:07:29.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pong mga irrigation projects, solar irrigation projects na maaari pong makatulong na h2r5-turn-001102 01:07:29.830 --> 01:07:34.610 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: makapag-improve ng agricultural productivity. So hindi lamang po yung lump sum, your honor, h2r5-turn-001103 01:07:34.810 --> 01:07:40.610 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung maaaring gamitin po ng mga ahensya sa pag-respond po sa risk ng El Nino. h2r5-turn-001104 01:07:40.770 --> 01:07:41.390 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Opo, h2r5-turn-001105 01:07:41.470 --> 01:07:53.430 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: naintindihan ko po yun. Kaso lang po, doon po sa posted ninyo sa inyong website po, meron kayong assumptions na tataas nga yung effect po by 2027. h2r5-turn-001106 01:07:53.970 --> 01:08:04.870 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: So yung pinagtatakan lang po kasi namin, bakit pareho yung Calamity Fund natin ng taong ito at saka ng 2027? Yun po kasi yung gusto namin makita. h2r5-turn-001107 01:08:06.930 --> 01:08:08.170 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, your honor, to respond po. h2r5-turn-001107-split-2 01:08:08.170 --> 01:08:09.410 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please reply. h2r5-turn-001108 01:08:09.990 --> 01:08:21.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Bukod po doon sa nabanggit po na lump sum na Calamity Fund, yung pag-respond din po kasi sa El Nino, in fact, ay naging bahagi na rin po nung konsiderasyon ng uplift program this year. h2r5-turn-001109 01:08:21.230 --> 01:08:23.730 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So hindi lamang po yung Calamity Fund next year, h2r5-turn-001110 01:08:23.870 --> 01:08:26.350 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron din po tayong mga ibinibigay na h2r5-turn-001111 01:08:26.350 --> 01:08:35.390 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: karagdagang tulong po sa DA para mapaghandaan po yung papasok na El Nino na hindi po kailangan hintayin yung 2027. h2r5-turn-001112 01:08:36.970 --> 01:08:38.990 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Sa unprogrammed din po ba yun po? h2r5-turn-001113 01:08:39.930 --> 01:08:52.350 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, hindi po sa unprogrammed appropriations kasama po bilang uplift, yung paggamit po ng mga na-identify na savings para po maitulong po doon sa mga ahensya na mag-implement ng uplift program. h2r5-turn-001114 01:08:53.110 --> 01:08:53.670 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Yes. h2r5-turn-001115 01:08:53.670 --> 01:08:59.910 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Maraming salamat po. Mr. Chair, one last question po para po sa ating dep-dev naman po. h2r5-turn-001116 01:09:00.590 --> 01:09:02.950 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Pagbigyan nyo na po ko, Madam Chair. Yes, h2r5-turn-001117 01:09:02.950 --> 01:09:03.870 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: please go ahead, ma'am. h2r5-turn-001118 01:09:04.210 --> 01:09:10.410 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Unemployment is projected to rise to 5.3 to 5.8 percent in h2r5-turn-001119 01:09:10.410 --> 01:09:12.010 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: 2026, a h2r5-turn-001120 01:09:12.010 --> 01:09:14.890 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: full point above 2025. Before h2r5-turn-001121 01:09:14.890 --> 01:09:19.390 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: easing to 4 to 5 percent in 2027 because h2r5-turn-001122 01:09:19.390 --> 01:09:28.410 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: the DBCC identified slower OFW remittances dahil sa Middle East tensions at economic growth risk. h2r5-turn-001123 01:09:28.870 --> 01:09:32.530 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Handa ba ang 2027 budget na h2r5-turn-001124 01:09:32.530 --> 01:09:42.990 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: tugunan ang pangangailangan ng ating mga OFWs, hindi lang para sa repatriation pero pag-generate din ng jobs para sa gustong bumalik sa bansa? h2r5-turn-001125 01:09:44.370 --> 01:09:57.490 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Bukod doon, can you also explain to the committee in plain and simple terms how many industry sectors jobs the NEP 2027 will generate po? h2r5-turn-001126 01:09:58.150 --> 01:09:59.650 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, h2r5-turn-001127 01:09:59.730 --> 01:10:03.690 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Dada. Dep-dev, Sec Arsi, please reply. h2r5-turn-001128 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:07.800 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The h2r5-turn-001129 01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:08.640 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: issue h2r5-turn-001130 01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:10.800 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: about OFWs is h2r5-turn-001131 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:16.880 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: being tackled under the uplift program. For the government, this h2r5-turn-001132 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:21.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: involves assistance and reintegration of displaced h2r5-turn-001133 01:10:21.440 --> 01:10:23.020 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: workers and I h2r5-turn-001134 01:10:23.020 --> 01:10:23.860 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think h2r5-turn-001135 01:10:23.860 --> 01:10:25.820 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: when h2r5-turn-001136 01:10:25.820 --> 01:10:27.220 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the h2r5-turn-001137 01:10:27.220 --> 01:10:32.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Department of Migrant Workers will be here, h2r5-turn-001138 01:10:32.340 --> 01:10:35.260 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: they could provide more details about what h2r5-turn-001139 01:10:35.260 --> 01:10:36.920 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: assistance h2r5-turn-001140 01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:39.040 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: they provided, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-001141 01:10:39.220 --> 01:10:39.920 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I h2r5-turn-001142 01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:41.700 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: don't have with me those details. h2r5-turn-001143 01:10:42.700 --> 01:10:44.280 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: With respect to the... h2r5-turn-001144 01:10:45.140 --> 01:10:50.580 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: How the budget for 2027 creates h2r5-turn-001145 01:10:50.580 --> 01:10:52.220 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: jobs, h2r5-turn-001146 01:10:53.700 --> 01:10:57.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: higher quality jobs, particularly in industry, h2r5-turn-001147 01:10:57.480 --> 01:11:02.120 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we haven't h2r5-turn-001148 01:11:02.120 --> 01:11:06.280 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: crossed the numbers but if h2r5-turn-001149 01:11:06.280 --> 01:11:09.620 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we spend the budget h2r5-turn-001150 01:11:09.620 --> 01:11:13.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and tailor the budget in the way we discussed h2r5-turn-001151 01:11:13.980 --> 01:11:16.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: this morning, it's currently framed, h2r5-turn-001152 01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:18.320 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: meaning addressing h2r5-turn-001153 01:11:18.320 --> 01:11:20.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the high h2r5-turn-001154 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.260 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: priorities for recovering economic growth h2r5-turn-001155 01:11:23.260 --> 01:11:24.840 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to h2r5-turn-001156 01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:26.220 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: higher levels because the h2r5-turn-001157 01:11:26.220 --> 01:11:32.800 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: numbers that the increase in the number of workers and the unemployed workers that you h2r5-turn-001158 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:38.880 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mentioned, Madam Chairs, is precisely because of the slowdown, sharp slowdown. h2r5-turn-001159 01:11:39.160 --> 01:11:39.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And h2r5-turn-001160 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:40.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our h2r5-turn-001161 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.840 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hope is that we are able to recover quickly. h2r5-turn-001162 01:11:45.140 --> 01:11:48.640 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Through the deployment, proper deployment of the budget next year. h2r5-turn-001163 01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:49.620 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you h2r5-turn-001164 01:11:49.620 --> 01:11:54.760 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: varaming salamat, Mr. Chair, Madam Chair, at maraming salamat din po h2r5-turn-001165 01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:55.060 Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: DepDev h2r5-turn-001166 01:11:55.900 --> 01:11:59.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat po, Cong. Dada and Sec Arsi. h2r5-turn-001167 01:11:59.980 --> 01:12:03.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Now, back to the majority, may we call on h2r5-turn-001168 01:12:03.220 --> 01:12:05.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congresswoman Gila. h2r5-turn-001169 01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:07.080 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: You h2r5-turn-001170 01:12:07.080 --> 01:12:07.560 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: have the floor. h2r5-turn-001171 01:12:08.780 --> 01:12:11.220 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001172 01:12:11.980 --> 01:12:15.680 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Magandang-magandang hapon na po sa ating lahat. Policy question, h2r5-turn-001173 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:19.440 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Mr. Chair, to DBM and to Dep-Dev. h2r5-turn-001174 01:12:20.200 --> 01:12:22.420 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: In terms of bottom-up h2r5-turn-001175 01:12:22.420 --> 01:12:26.480 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: and top-down approach in terms of our budget process. h2r5-turn-001176 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:40.700 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Ako po ay kinatawan ng ikatlong distrito ng Lalawigan ng Bataan. So, yung mandato ko po ay galing sa constituents ng probinsya ng apat na munisipyo up to barangay and sectoral h2r5-turn-001177 01:12:40.700 --> 01:12:46.100 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: representatives ng aking distrito. I h2r5-turn-001178 01:12:46.100 --> 01:12:57.580 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: advocate bottom-up approach in terms of the budget process kasi syempre alam natin yung baseline, alam natin yung pangangailangan, and through consultation, h2r5-turn-001179 01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:00.500 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: dumadaan po sa Barangay Development Council, h2r5-turn-001180 01:13:01.140 --> 01:13:02.740 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Municipal Development Council, h2r5-turn-001181 01:13:03.620 --> 01:13:08.440 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Provincial Development Council, and then Regional Development Council. h2r5-turn-001182 01:13:09.020 --> 01:13:09.660 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: So, h2r5-turn-001183 01:13:09.820 --> 01:13:12.040 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: yung h2r5-turn-001184 01:13:12.040 --> 01:13:13.900 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: prosesong yun, medyo clear po. h2r5-turn-001185 01:13:15.140 --> 01:13:16.040 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Sa atin, h2r5-turn-001186 01:13:16.060 --> 01:13:21.740 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: may observation lang po ako na gusto ko po sanang i-clarify na h2r5-turn-001187 01:13:21.740 --> 01:13:23.580 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: from h2r5-turn-001188 01:13:23.580 --> 01:13:25.100 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Regional Development Council, h2r5-turn-001189 01:13:25.620 --> 01:13:27.540 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: pupunta h2r5-turn-001190 01:13:27.540 --> 01:13:33.320 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: po siya sa Central Agencies and Central Dep-Dev, and nandito po tayo sa DBCC, h2r5-turn-001191 01:13:33.460 --> 01:13:37.240 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: parang meron pong blind spot in h2r5-turn-001192 01:13:37.240 --> 01:13:39.140 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: terms of yung h2r5-turn-001193 01:13:39.140 --> 01:13:43.140 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: mga PPAs proposed and approved up to Regional Development Council. h2r5-turn-001194 01:13:44.160 --> 01:13:53.585 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Hindi po. Hindi po klaro sino po yung nagbibigay o nag-set ng ceilings, sino po h2r5-turn-001195 01:13:53.585 --> 01:14:00.220 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: yung finally nagde-determine ng PPAs na lumalabas po sa NEP. h2r5-turn-001196 01:14:00.420 --> 01:14:03.160 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: At siguro itong blind spot na ito, h2r5-turn-001197 01:14:03.160 --> 01:14:16.520 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: parang kung tatanongin yung mga regions, malalaman na lang po nila kung ano po yung PPAs na lumabas sa NEP pagkalabas po ng NEP. So, parang meron po tayong gap in h2r5-turn-001198 01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:18.480 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: terms of a h2r5-turn-001199 01:14:18.480 --> 01:14:31.820 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: disruptive in a positive way discussion na sana napagkakasunduan, napag-uusapan, napag-aawayan, napag h2r5-turn-001200 01:14:31.820 --> 01:14:35.820 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: -didiskusyonan yung talagang pangangailangan. At h2r5-turn-001201 01:14:35.820 --> 01:14:40.900 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: yun pong kung yun talagang limitadong budget at napag h2r5-turn-001202 01:14:40.900 --> 01:14:42.120 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: -diskusyonan. h2r5-turn-001203 01:14:43.360 --> 01:14:51.920 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Ito talaga yung budget. Alam lang po sana natin yung talagang pangangailangan sa baba, which is yun po yung h2r5-turn-001204 01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:55.520 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: pinakamahalaga na yung h2r5-turn-001205 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:57.860 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: bottom-up and top-down ay h2r5-turn-001206 01:14:57.860 --> 01:15:01.020 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: nagkakaisa h2r5-turn-001207 01:15:01.020 --> 01:15:07.620 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: sa ating budget process. So, parang, Mr. Chair, there's h2r5-turn-001208 01:15:07.620 --> 01:15:14.340 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: an observation and I'm identifying that this gap, this blind spot, needs to be rectified h2r5-turn-001209 01:15:14.340 --> 01:15:17.260 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: para h2r5-turn-001210 01:15:17.260 --> 01:15:33.140 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: talagang yung trabaho natin, yung implement ng executive, ay base sa baseline needs, objectives, at sinusukat natin dapat ang performance ng bawat ahensya in relation h2r5-turn-001211 01:15:33.140 --> 01:15:39.260 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: to yung mga LGU performances natin. Yun po yung first question, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001212 01:15:39.440 --> 01:15:43.020 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. Sec. Kim, please reply. h2r5-turn-001213 01:15:43.420 --> 01:15:50.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, pagamat po merong isang budget form, yun po yung tinatawag na Form C na dapat pong h2r5-turn-001214 01:15:50.820 --> 01:15:59.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in-accomplish ng mga Regional Development Council para masiguro na yun pong mga proposal ay talagang dumaan at nabet ng mga RDC, h2r5-turn-001215 01:15:59.880 --> 01:16:03.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we acknowledge po yung naging observation po ng ating Good h2r5-turn-001216 01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:09.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Congresswoman from Bataan at isa po ito sa nakikita sa emerging po naming findings din. h2r5-turn-001217 01:16:09.140 --> 01:16:12.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kasi hindi po natapos dun sa paglalagay. Nung form, h2r5-turn-001218 01:16:12.540 --> 01:16:15.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung aming pong pagsiguro na align po yung ating NEP sa h2r5-turn-001219 01:16:15.980 --> 01:16:23.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pangangailangan po ng ating mga kababayan. Kaya po ngayon, ongoing po yung aming pakikipag-ugnayan sa Dep-Dev kung h2r5-turn-001220 01:16:23.160 --> 01:16:28.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: papaano pa po natin ma-link further, mas ma-improve yung linkage ng planning and budgeting. h2r5-turn-001221 01:16:29.280 --> 01:16:32.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kasama na po dyan, pati po yung pag-harmonize nung calendar, h2r5-turn-001222 01:16:33.400 --> 01:16:40.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: both ng investment programming at ng budgeting, at yung pag-harmonize po nung dalawa po naming submission portal h2r5-turn-001223 01:16:41.980 --> 01:16:43.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ng sa gayon ay magkaroon h2r5-turn-001224 01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:51.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po ng seamless o ma-harmonize po yung dalawa naming portal sa pag-investment programming and budget h2r5-turn-001225 01:16:51.480 --> 01:16:59.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: preparation. So, ilan lang po yan, Your Honor, sa mga ongoing measures that we hope that we can implement in the next budget cycle, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-001226 01:17:01.020 --> 01:17:01.500 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank h2r5-turn-001227 01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:04.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: you, Sec. Kim. Cong. Gila, please, you may continue. h2r5-turn-001228 01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:07.280 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Follow-up question po, Sec. So, currently, h2r5-turn-001229 01:17:07.700 --> 01:17:24.900 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: natutuwa po ako na narecognize din. Ito sa discussions nyo with the regional Dep-Devs and regional directors. Pero currently po, may we inquire, sino h2r5-turn-001230 01:17:24.900 --> 01:17:26.760 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: po yung sa h2r5-turn-001231 01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:30.380 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: ngayon nagsiset ng ceiling, sino po sa ngayon h2r5-turn-001232 01:17:30.380 --> 01:17:31.320 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: yung h2r5-turn-001233 01:17:31.320 --> 01:17:34.280 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: nag-a-approve nung h2r5-turn-001234 01:17:34.280 --> 01:18:07.420 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: ano yung naipasa sa Regional Development Council? Because I believe, at least sa Central Luzon po, I know na on-time po yung submission sa kalendar, on-time po yung approval ng Regional Development Council for the budget call for the next year. So, parang yun nga pong gap na sino po yung nagde-determine ng ceiling, bawat ahensya, bawat region, bawat lalawigan, and ano yung mga proyekto na lalabas po sa NEP? h2r5-turn-001235 01:18:09.270 --> 01:18:09.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. h2r5-turn-001236 01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:10.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kim, please, you reply h2r5-turn-001237 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:17.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, sa ngayon po, under the... budget call for this 2027 budget, ang ceiling po lamang ay per h2r5-turn-001238 01:18:17.830 --> 01:18:19.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: department or per agency. h2r5-turn-001239 01:18:19.890 --> 01:18:27.550 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At gayon din po, ang nagde-determine po kung anong projects yung ultimately makakasama sa agency proposal papunt ng DBM ay h2r5-turn-001240 01:18:27.550 --> 01:18:35.530 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung agency central offices. Kaya po, isa po ito sa emerging na napag-uusapan po ng DBM at ng Dep-Dev, kung ma-harmonize po yung h2r5-turn-001241 01:18:35.530 --> 01:18:39.210 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget calendar at ma-move po yung pag-issue ng ceiling earlier, h2r5-turn-001242 01:18:39.570 --> 01:18:41.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maaari pong magamit ng h2r5-turn-001243 01:18:41.290 --> 01:18:47.650 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agency central offices, yung ceiling, para makapagbigay din po kahit papano ng indicative amount na h2r5-turn-001244 01:18:47.650 --> 01:18:51.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maaaring ma-allocate po sa bawat isang Regional Development Council. So, isa po yan, h2r5-turn-001245 01:18:51.970 --> 01:18:59.770 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, sa kinukonsider po natin ngayon na improvement between investment programming and budgeting. h2r5-turn-001246 01:19:01.750 --> 01:19:11.310 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Mr. Chair, just a manifestation bago po yung susunod ko pong katanungan. So, isa lang po siguro na pagpuna dito h2r5-turn-001247 01:19:11.310 --> 01:19:11.770 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: sa... h2r5-turn-001248 01:19:13.450 --> 01:19:15.570 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: gap na ito na h2r5-turn-001249 01:19:15.570 --> 01:19:18.090 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: matagal h2r5-turn-001250 01:19:18.090 --> 01:19:24.830 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: na naman po natin ginagawa yung ating budget call, yung process and timelines po ay nakakalendaryo h2r5-turn-001251 01:19:24.830 --> 01:19:37.570 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: at nakakapanghinayang lang po na kung sakali masyadong centralized po yung pag-tugon sa pangangailangan na nanggaling po sa mga h2r5-turn-001252 01:19:37.570 --> 01:19:40.570 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: barangay, sa mga munisipyo, sa mga probinsya. h2r5-turn-001253 01:19:40.630 --> 01:19:41.310 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: At h2r5-turn-001254 01:19:41.310 --> 01:19:47.490 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: sana po ay... Hindi ko po alam ngayon, 2027 or sa 2028 po, sana po ay h2r5-turn-001255 01:19:47.490 --> 01:19:50.890 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: maganap po natin at matugunan na itong malaking h2r5-turn-001256 01:19:50.890 --> 01:19:53.890 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: discrepancy na ito. h2r5-turn-001257 01:19:54.850 --> 01:19:57.470 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Mr. Chair, last question lang, kung pwede. h2r5-turn-001258 01:19:59.450 --> 01:20:01.990 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Your time is up, Cong. h2r5-turn-001259 01:20:01.990 --> 01:20:02.450 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Gila. h2r5-turn-001260 01:20:03.050 --> 01:20:04.230 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pwede pang next round. h2r5-turn-001261 01:20:04.630 --> 01:20:06.910 Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Sige po, may I request for a second round. h2r5-turn-001262 01:20:07.250 --> 01:20:08.870 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, thank you, Cong. Gila. h2r5-turn-001263 01:20:09.430 --> 01:20:14.030 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, may... will Sec. Kim reply to the last comment to Cong. Gila. h2r5-turn-001264 01:20:16.030 --> 01:20:17.450 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, wala nang comment. h2r5-turn-001265 01:20:17.670 --> 01:20:19.130 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay, thank you. So, h2r5-turn-001266 01:20:19.130 --> 01:20:22.250 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: let's move to the next... h2r5-turn-001267 01:20:22.250 --> 01:20:23.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair? h2r5-turn-001267-split-2 01:20:23.200 --> 01:20:24.150 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ah yes Sec. Arsi h2r5-turn-001268 01:20:24.230 --> 01:20:29.010 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: May I add just on my colleague's h2r5-turn-001269 01:20:29.010 --> 01:20:33.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: response? And I think it is a very good question. h2r5-turn-001270 01:20:34.110 --> 01:20:35.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Indeed, just to put h2r5-turn-001271 01:20:35.490 --> 01:20:36.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: context, h2r5-turn-001272 01:20:38.510 --> 01:20:43.630 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of the RDC priorities identified at the... h2r5-turn-001273 01:20:44.890 --> 01:20:46.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: various regional levels, h2r5-turn-001274 01:20:47.530 --> 01:20:51.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of those priorities, about h2r5-turn-001275 01:20:51.430 --> 01:20:54.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 30 to 35 percent are h2r5-turn-001276 01:20:54.850 --> 01:20:58.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reflected in the GAA when h2r5-turn-001277 01:20:58.570 --> 01:21:02.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the GAA comes. So, it's a bit low. And h2r5-turn-001278 01:21:02.030 --> 01:21:05.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hence, what my colleague mentioned, that h2r5-turn-001279 01:21:05.990 --> 01:21:07.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we h2r5-turn-001280 01:21:07.410 --> 01:21:11.710 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are strengthening the harmonization of the h2r5-turn-001281 01:21:11.710 --> 01:21:14.510 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: RDC investment programming and h2r5-turn-001282 01:21:14.510 --> 01:21:14.870 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the... h2r5-turn-001283 01:21:15.830 --> 01:21:20.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: budgeting at the Central and DBM offices so that we can h2r5-turn-001284 01:21:20.950 --> 01:21:22.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: improve that h2r5-turn-001285 01:21:22.490 --> 01:21:24.730 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: proportion. h2r5-turn-001286 01:21:26.070 --> 01:21:26.710 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I h2r5-turn-001287 01:21:26.710 --> 01:21:30.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think that if we can hit 66 percent man lang, h2r5-turn-001288 01:21:31.030 --> 01:21:33.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that will be a major improvement. h2r5-turn-001289 01:21:35.460 --> 01:21:36.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you very much, h2r5-turn-001290 01:21:37.220 --> 01:21:39.780 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Tech RC, for that. And if I may add, h2r5-turn-001291 01:21:40.420 --> 01:21:43.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: kasama po ito dun sa bill ngayon, yung budget code, h2r5-turn-001292 01:21:44.040 --> 01:21:47.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to codify everything and to... like what Sec. Kim said, h2r5-turn-001293 01:21:47.740 --> 01:21:51.760 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: really organize the calendar para talaga ma-harmonize yun lahat. h2r5-turn-001294 01:21:52.240 --> 01:21:53.020 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, thank you. h2r5-turn-001295 01:21:55.160 --> 01:22:00.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Next, on our list, we go back to our colleagues in the minority. h2r5-turn-001296 01:22:01.820 --> 01:22:05.240 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May I call on Congresswoman Iris Montes. h2r5-turn-001297 01:22:06.040 --> 01:22:07.480 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001298 01:22:08.220 --> 01:22:16.140 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Ilang katanungan lamang mula sa kababaihan, kabaligatan para sa kapakanan at kaunlaran ng bayan, particularly po sa DBM. h2r5-turn-001299 01:22:17.240 --> 01:22:23.460 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: The government has repeatedly committed to strengthening the universal health care. h2r5-turn-001300 01:22:24.060 --> 01:22:35.640 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: How much of the 2027 budget is actually directed towards expanding health financing and health service capacity rather than maintaining existing programs? h2r5-turn-001301 01:22:42.780 --> 01:22:44.260 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim? h2r5-turn-001302 01:22:44.320 --> 01:22:48.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, for the 2027 National Expenditure Program, h2r5-turn-001303 01:22:48.820 --> 01:22:54.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: a total of P362.73 billion, is provided to the health sector to h2r5-turn-001304 01:22:54.880 --> 01:23:01.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: support the implementation of the UHC Act. Ito po ay nahahati sa allocation of the Department h2r5-turn-001305 01:23:01.060 --> 01:23:03.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of Health na 270.98, h2r5-turn-001306 01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:08.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: gayon din po sa 74.45 billion na ating subsidy sa h2r5-turn-001307 01:23:08.120 --> 01:23:09.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Philippine Health Insurance Corporation. h2r5-turn-001308 01:23:12.540 --> 01:23:13.480 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Maraming salamat. h2r5-turn-001309 01:23:16.310 --> 01:23:25.830 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: So, ibig sabihin po, given your answer, I would like to assume that the government will still again rely on the members' contribution of PhilHealth h2r5-turn-001310 01:23:25.830 --> 01:23:28.550 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: and... and the h2r5-turn-001311 01:23:28.550 --> 01:23:40.990 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: share from sin taxes. Ito po yata yung 74.5 na sinasabi ninyo. Ang sunod ko pong tanong, will there be no other additional allocations through the national budget that will be given to PhilHealth? h2r5-turn-001312 01:23:47.380 --> 01:23:55.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, your honor, actually, for PhilHealth po, sa PhilHealth na po natin ibinigay yung karagdagang allocation for the expansion of the h2r5-turn-001313 01:23:55.320 --> 01:24:04.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Zero Balance Billing Program to cover not only national hospitals but also amongst local hospitals, local government units. But ito pong figure, ma'am, h2r5-turn-001314 01:24:05.160 --> 01:24:09.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, is on the GAA levels h2r5-turn-001315 01:24:09.180 --> 01:24:15.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: alone. Hindi pa po kasama dito yung Corporate Operating Budget ng PhilHealth for 2027. h2r5-turn-001316 01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:20.160 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: That's included in the 74.45 billion. Is that correct? h2r5-turn-001317 01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:24.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor. That's only the GAA subsidy to PhilHealth. h2r5-turn-001318 01:24:24.740 --> 01:24:31.760 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: But the GAA subsidy, the 74.4 is coming from the sin tax collection. Is that correct also? h2r5-turn-001319 01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:34.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor. h2r5-turn-001320 01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:48.020 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: So in other words, aside from the sin tax collection, wala pong additional from the national government. Kasi mandated naman po ito ng batas eh. Ano po, tama. For the information of the Secretary, last budget hearing, h2r5-turn-001321 01:24:49.220 --> 01:25:07.360 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: nagkwentahan po kami on the floor exactly magkano ang kakulangan ng national government sa PhilHealth, sa share ng sin taxes. In the proper time, Mr. Chair, sa proper time, magkikwentahan po ulit tayo, Secretary. Thank you. Moving h2r5-turn-001322 01:25:07.360 --> 01:25:12.300 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: on to the next question. Para naman po ulit ito sa... h2r5-turn-001323 01:25:16.140 --> 01:25:18.100 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Sorry ha, nawala. h2r5-turn-001324 01:25:21.380 --> 01:25:26.100 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: My next question would be for the DBM na lang ulit. h2r5-turn-001325 01:25:28.500 --> 01:25:39.020 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: The DBCC itself admitted that corruption heavily impacted on our economic growth. So, aside from nabanggit niyo po earlier on h2r5-turn-001326 01:25:39.020 --> 01:25:43.080 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: infrastructure projects na gaginawanin niyong bago katulad ng h2r5-turn-001327 01:25:43.080 --> 01:26:00.160 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: pagsisiguro na complete, may readiness yung project, complete yung documents, what other reforms have the DBM instituted para hindi po maulit ang mga korupsyon at mga wastage ng public funds na nangyari in the past several years? h2r5-turn-001328 01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:15.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, bukod po doon sa mas masusing pagsusuri po na ginawa natin sa mga proposal which is primary reform po na masasabi natin. Dahil doon pa lang po h2r5-turn-001329 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:17.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: masisiguro natin na hindi, h2r5-turn-001330 01:26:17.620 --> 01:26:19.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maiiwasan na maging ghost projects po. h2r5-turn-001331 01:26:20.160 --> 01:26:24.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Marami pa pong mga nakaabang na reform kapagka nagsimula na po tayong mag h2r5-turn-001332 01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:29.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -implement. So, kasama na po dyan yung early procurement. Dahil isa po sa naging h2r5-turn-001333 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:39.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: suliranin natin ngayon ay dahil late po na-implement yung mga infrastructure projects, naka-apekto po ito. Sa ating economic activities during the first half. h2r5-turn-001334 01:26:39.180 --> 01:26:42.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: During the procurement po, hindi lang po early procurement, h2r5-turn-001335 01:26:43.020 --> 01:26:47.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa ilalim po ng new government procurement act, mas bukas po yung ating mga h2r5-turn-001336 01:26:47.540 --> 01:26:52.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: procurement activities. Kasama po dyan yung pag-livestream ng ating mga h2r5-turn-001337 01:26:52.480 --> 01:27:06.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: procurement activities, pagpo-post po ng lahat ng detalye ng ating mga procurement upang mas masubaybayan po ng ating mga kababayan at ng ating mga kasama, even sa civil society. Lahat h2r5-turn-001338 01:27:06.100 --> 01:27:10.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po ng ating mga procurement activities. In terms of transparency, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-001339 01:27:10.580 --> 01:27:12.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tayo po sa DBM ay h2r5-turn-001340 01:27:12.820 --> 01:27:16.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: patuloy po natin ginagawa yung agency performance review. h2r5-turn-001341 01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:26.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Inulunsa din po natin yung DBM Compass, which you can access po at compass.dbm.gov.ph kung saan masusubaybayan po natin ang h2r5-turn-001342 01:27:26.540 --> 01:27:28.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bawat isang release ng allotment. h2r5-turn-001343 01:27:28.780 --> 01:27:29.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po ay h2r5-turn-001344 01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:34.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: isusupplement naman ng tinatawag naming project dime, kung h2r5-turn-001345 01:27:34.080 --> 01:27:39.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: saan hindi lamang po kami magre-rely on documentary submission na accomplishment report, h2r5-turn-001346 01:27:39.400 --> 01:27:44.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lalo na po sa ating mga infrastructure projects. Gagamit po tayo ng teknolohiya, h2r5-turn-001347 01:27:44.240 --> 01:27:54.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: satellite imagery, upang ma-validate kung yung talaga pong na-report ay accomplished, ay talaga pong nagawa at nakikita sa ating mga satellite images, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-001348 01:27:54.440 --> 01:27:57.980 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Maraming salamat po. That leads me to my next question. h2r5-turn-001349 01:27:59.020 --> 01:28:04.960 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Para sa DepDev dito, because in your handouts, sa handout po ng DepDev you h2r5-turn-001350 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:18.860 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: made the listing of the priority bills that you want Congress to support or pass with regard to corruption and transparency and governance. h2r5-turn-001351 01:28:20.240 --> 01:28:30.520 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Curiously po, hindi po nakapaloob doon, wala po doon yung Cadena Act. Hindi po ba supportive ang DepDev sa Cadena Act? h2r5-turn-001352 01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:48.880 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Also, I would also want to direct that question to the DBM because to my mind, yung if we are to talk about transparency, more than that, yung Cadena pa, it will ensure citizen participation. So, hindi po ba ninyo nire-recommend ang h2r5-turn-001353 01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:52.400 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Cadena Act as one of your reforms na gustong isunong? h2r5-turn-001354 01:28:57.330 --> 01:29:04.120 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair, the list of measures that I flashed this morning, is h2r5-turn-001355 01:29:04.120 --> 01:29:05.020 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a partial list. h2r5-turn-001356 01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:07.260 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: From the h2r5-turn-001357 01:29:07.260 --> 01:29:08.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: point of view of h2r5-turn-001358 01:29:08.200 --> 01:29:14.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: economic development, those are the ones that we believe will h2r5-turn-001359 01:29:14.340 --> 01:29:15.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: help h2r5-turn-001360 01:29:15.450 --> 01:29:16.260 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: us recover quickly. h2r5-turn-001361 01:29:16.690 --> 01:29:21.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But the LEDAC has a longer list of h2r5-turn-001362 01:29:21.270 --> 01:29:22.100 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: over h2r5-turn-001363 01:29:22.100 --> 01:29:23.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 50 measures, h2r5-turn-001364 01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:25.070 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and and h2r5-turn-001365 01:29:25.070 --> 01:29:28.880 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Cadena is one of those. So, I think that we h2r5-turn-001366 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:31.820 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: continue to push for that, Mr. h2r5-turn-001367 01:29:31.940 --> 01:29:35.050 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, And I think that's an important h2r5-turn-001368 01:29:35.050 --> 01:29:35.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: measure. h2r5-turn-001369 01:29:37.170 --> 01:29:54.030 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Thank you, Secretary. May I now ask the Secretary of DBM? Kasi may mga nabanggit po siya kanina. I asked earlier, what reforms have have you made in the budget process this time? So, what is your take on the Cadena Act? h2r5-turn-001370 01:29:54.940 --> 01:30:02.210 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, while we echo the statement of the Secretary of DepDev that it's still indeed in the list, h2r5-turn-001371 01:30:02.350 --> 01:30:05.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tayo po naman, whatever modality na h2r5-turn-001372 01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:17.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: available or technology, ay atin pong lahat pinukonsidera para lalo pong mapalakas yung transparency ng ating budget. Isa lamang din po dun sa ating consideration would be the h2r5-turn-001373 01:30:17.490 --> 01:30:22.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: applicability of technology and access of all the government agencies. Dahil alam naman po natin, h2r5-turn-001374 01:30:22.860 --> 01:30:31.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as an archipelagic nation, minsan lalo po kapag ka ganitong umuulan, naaapektuhan naapektuhan po yung ating signal, etc., et cetera, and internet access. h2r5-turn-001375 01:30:32.170 --> 01:30:34.350 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, we have to consider all of this, h2r5-turn-001376 01:30:34.490 --> 01:30:42.750 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: para po masiguro na yung mapipili po natin na final na platform would be usable, reliable, at accessible po para sa lahat. h2r5-turn-001377 01:30:45.140 --> 01:30:47.090 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Thank you, Secretary De Leon. h2r5-turn-001378 01:30:47.400 --> 01:30:54.600 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: My next question, madami po pa sana, Mr. Chair, pero last ko na lang po ito. For the DOF, h2r5-turn-001379 01:30:54.730 --> 01:31:01.080 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: in your handout also, na it ano lang po ako, it says there, yung last page h2r5-turn-001380 01:31:01.080 --> 01:31:04.220 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: ng inyong handout, our national budget can work h2r5-turn-001381 01:31:04.220 --> 01:31:12.340 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: harder when we invest in high multiplier programs and projects that create lasting economic value. h2r5-turn-001382 01:31:12.780 --> 01:31:26.700 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Can you please be specific what example or two perhaps of your proposed, in the proposed 2027 budget? Can, will really create lasting economic value? h2r5-turn-001383 01:31:29.140 --> 01:31:31.440 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, I h2r5-turn-001384 01:31:31.440 --> 01:31:35.400 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think the specific example to your question would have to be infrastructure. h2r5-turn-001385 01:31:36.300 --> 01:31:40.520 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: For several reasons, infrastructure projects h2r5-turn-001386 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:42.600 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: have the highest multiplier effect, h2r5-turn-001387 01:31:42.780 --> 01:31:45.440 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: meaning for every peso we spend on h2r5-turn-001388 01:31:45.440 --> 01:31:47.340 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: infrastructure, there's a h2r5-turn-001389 01:31:47.340 --> 01:31:51.520 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: multiplier effect of probably three to six times. h2r5-turn-001390 01:31:53.360 --> 01:31:56.520 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And also, infrastructure leaves h2r5-turn-001391 01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:57.200 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: a lasting h2r5-turn-001392 01:31:57.200 --> 01:32:04.720 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: legacy, if you will, that can be used by future generations for a long period h2r5-turn-001393 01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:05.300 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: of time. h2r5-turn-001394 01:32:06.540 --> 01:32:14.900 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Last na po, Mr. Chair. Halimbawa po, ano pong mga specific infrastructure projects that we have for the 2027 budget? h2r5-turn-001395 01:32:16.400 --> 01:32:18.220 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The rails, for example. h2r5-turn-001396 01:32:19.820 --> 01:32:21.420 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The Metro Manila... h2r5-turn-001397 01:32:23.060 --> 01:32:23.540 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Line, h2r5-turn-001398 01:32:23.540 --> 01:32:31.020 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the north-south commuter line, and of course, numerous DPWH projects, h2r5-turn-001399 01:32:31.180 --> 01:32:33.220 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: but I'm not, I wouldn't know the specifics. h2r5-turn-001400 01:32:35.080 --> 01:32:37.640 Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: That would be all for now, Mr. Chair. Thank you. h2r5-turn-001401 01:32:37.820 --> 01:32:38.240 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you. h2r5-turn-001402 01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:42.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Next to interpolate, Representative Albert Garcia. h2r5-turn-001403 01:32:43.940 --> 01:32:48.900 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Madam Chair, and good afternoon once again to our DBCC family. h2r5-turn-001404 01:32:49.500 --> 01:32:52.720 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Just a few questions, Madam Chair, na gusto ko lang ng konting kalinawan h2r5-turn-001405 01:32:54.560 --> 01:33:02.560 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, as we all know, and based on the JICA study, we are losing 3.5 billion pesos a day. h2r5-turn-001406 01:33:03.040 --> 01:33:06.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, ngayon po, maghahapon na, just h2r5-turn-001407 01:33:06.380 --> 01:33:08.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: like that, we lost 3.5 h2r5-turn-001408 01:33:08.220 --> 01:33:10.140 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: billion pesos based h2r5-turn-001409 01:33:10.140 --> 01:33:10.820 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: on the study. h2r5-turn-001410 01:33:11.540 --> 01:33:23.580 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Because of traffic, congestion, time wasted, work-life balance compromised, pollution, and so on and so forth. So, na-measure po ito ng JICA to the tune of 3.5 billion. 3.5 billion pesos a day. h2r5-turn-001411 01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:29.760 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And if it's not solved or addressed by 2030, it h2r5-turn-001412 01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:34.020 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: will rise up to 5.4 billion pesos a day. h2r5-turn-001413 01:33:34.280 --> 01:33:36.320 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, ganun po, kagrabe po ito. h2r5-turn-001414 01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:41.800 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And ang total po niyan sa isang taon is around 1.2 trillion. h2r5-turn-001415 01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:47.660 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, I guess, Madam Chair, yun na po yung pinag-uusapan nating capital outlay. h2r5-turn-001416 01:33:48.540 --> 01:33:51.700 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kasi yung PS, hindi na naman natin pwedeng galawin. h2r5-turn-001417 01:33:53.180 --> 01:33:54.800 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, with MOE. h2r5-turn-001418 01:33:55.450 --> 01:33:59.660 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, ito na po lahat na negate lang nitong losses per day. h2r5-turn-001419 01:34:00.350 --> 01:34:05.020 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And to date, just to give you a context, h2r5-turn-001420 01:34:06.210 --> 01:34:14.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: in-add po natin to date, ang nawala na po sa ating ekonomiya is 13.7 trillion pesos. h2r5-turn-001421 01:34:15.320 --> 01:34:19.460 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Double our existing national h2r5-turn-001422 01:34:19.460 --> 01:34:21.200 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: budget. Ganun po, kagrabe. h2r5-turn-001423 01:34:21.670 --> 01:34:32.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And since kayo... Kayo po yung economic managers, I want to ask, what are we doing to address this? Nang sa ganun, ay hindi na umabot ng 5.4 billion pesos a day. h2r5-turn-001424 01:34:33.180 --> 01:34:34.240 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-001425 01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:46.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, parahin malaking bahagi po nung loss na yun ay productivity loss due to, of course, as we know, traffic in h2r5-turn-001426 01:34:46.060 --> 01:34:55.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: rapidly urbanizing areas. Kaya naman po, kung papansin po natin sa ating National Expenditure Program, talagang priority po yung investment natin for h2r5-turn-001427 01:34:55.120 --> 01:35:00.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: more available transportation options para sa ating mga kababayan, h2r5-turn-001428 01:35:00.140 --> 01:35:03.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mass transportation options para sa mga urbanizing area, h2r5-turn-001429 01:35:03.860 --> 01:35:21.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: urban and urbanizing area, hindi lamang po sa NCR, kundi maging po sa mga karatig region, gayon din po may investment din tayo for mass transportation sa Visayas and Mindanao. So, ito rin naman po ang direktiba ng Presidente na masiguro na matapos, h2r5-turn-001430 01:35:22.740 --> 01:35:23.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: na h2r5-turn-001431 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:24.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: practical yung mga h2r5-turn-001432 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:39.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proyektong ito upang agad pong mapakinabangan ng mga kababayan natin at makabawas po doon sa nabanggit po ng kagalang-galang na kinatawa ng mga productivity loss due to traffic, among many others, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-001433 01:35:40.400 --> 01:35:41.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Thank you, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-001434 01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:53.760 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pero ang strategy po natin to build more in the urban area and the more we build, the more we create traffic. We build on top. We build under. h2r5-turn-001435 01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:57.840 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Dapat tinitignan din po natin yung periphery. h2r5-turn-001436 01:35:58.440 --> 01:36:03.420 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, how we can manage the traffic or the congestion even h2r5-turn-001437 01:36:03.420 --> 01:36:04.980 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: better? Kasi puro linear. h2r5-turn-001438 01:36:06.220 --> 01:36:06.860 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, h2r5-turn-001439 01:36:06.860 --> 01:36:10.560 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: may I ask for a reply, Madam Chair? h2r5-turn-001440 01:36:11.480 --> 01:36:13.700 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: May I, Mr. h2r5-turn-001441 01:36:13.980 --> 01:36:14.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair? h2r5-turn-001442 01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:23.600 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The overall plan is to improve the connectivity. So, the h2r5-turn-001443 01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:30.780 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: country, both physical and digital. Connectivity meaning connecting our rapidly h2r5-turn-001444 01:36:30.780 --> 01:36:35.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: urbanizing or highly urbanized areas to other h2r5-turn-001445 01:36:35.400 --> 01:36:39.100 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: areas, particularly lagging areas of the country. And h2r5-turn-001446 01:36:39.100 --> 01:36:43.600 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that may involve mass transit as a focus, for example. h2r5-turn-001447 01:36:44.770 --> 01:36:45.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And h2r5-turn-001448 01:36:45.160 --> 01:36:49.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that will allow mobility h2r5-turn-001449 01:36:49.160 --> 01:36:52.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: at lesser cost for both. For h2r5-turn-001450 01:36:52.980 --> 01:36:56.800 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: people and the movement of goods and services. h2r5-turn-001451 01:36:57.420 --> 01:36:58.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, the h2r5-turn-001452 01:36:58.540 --> 01:37:00.580 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: law h2r5-turn-001453 01:37:00.580 --> 01:37:02.960 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that you just passed, which created the h2r5-turn-001454 01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:07.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: DEPDEM, and we h2r5-turn-001455 01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:08.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are that agency, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-001456 01:37:10.300 --> 01:37:23.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: entrusted us to coordinate the development of a long-term master plan for infrastructure, especially transport infrastructure. So, we are working closely with... our h2r5-turn-001457 01:37:23.400 --> 01:37:29.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: transport agencies, our infrastructure agencies, like DOTR and DPWH, for h2r5-turn-001458 01:37:29.240 --> 01:37:32.760 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the development of that long-term master plan for h2r5-turn-001459 01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:34.180 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: infrastructure. h2r5-turn-001460 01:37:35.820 --> 01:37:37.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-001461 01:37:37.740 --> 01:37:42.860 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Just for a suggestion, aside from building h2r5-turn-001462 01:37:42.860 --> 01:37:52.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: linear north-south, let's also consider east-west para off the overly beaten path, so to speak, at h2r5-turn-001463 01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:53.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: mas ma h2r5-turn-001464 01:37:53.220 --> 01:37:55.440 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: -divert h2r5-turn-001465 01:37:55.440 --> 01:37:59.420 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: natin yung traffic from the overly congested h2r5-turn-001466 01:37:59.420 --> 01:38:02.100 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: north and south, especially in Metro Manila. h2r5-turn-001467 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:05.460 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And, Madam Chair, very quickly, h2r5-turn-001468 01:38:05.620 --> 01:38:11.360 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: in the spirit of first principles thinking in solving a problem, h2r5-turn-001469 01:38:11.980 --> 01:38:18.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: alam po ba natin kung ano talaga ang root cause nitong problema na itong 3.5 billion pesos a day of losses? h2r5-turn-001470 01:38:24.970 --> 01:38:29.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yeah, Mr. Chair. As I said, I think the h2r5-turn-001471 01:38:29.290 --> 01:38:36.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: underdevelopment of our connectivity infrastructure is key. h2r5-turn-001472 01:38:37.990 --> 01:38:40.010 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's so well known that we have h2r5-turn-001473 01:38:40.010 --> 01:38:45.230 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: severely underinvested in infrastructure, h2r5-turn-001474 01:38:45.830 --> 01:38:47.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: particularly mass transit. h2r5-turn-001475 01:38:49.330 --> 01:38:55.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, we should have developed mass transit long ago, but we h2r5-turn-001476 01:38:55.350 --> 01:38:56.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: preferred instead to develop... h2r5-turn-001477 01:38:58.230 --> 01:39:02.830 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: highways and more roads. So, h2r5-turn-001478 01:39:02.890 --> 01:39:13.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that allowed the rapid growth of regions like NCR and prevented the h2r5-turn-001479 01:39:13.770 --> 01:39:18.670 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: concentration of growth, as well as h2r5-turn-001480 01:39:18.670 --> 01:39:24.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hindering the development of other growth areas. h2r5-turn-001481 01:39:25.130 --> 01:39:26.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: There is no... h2r5-turn-001482 01:39:28.910 --> 01:39:31.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reason why other h2r5-turn-001483 01:39:31.970 --> 01:39:46.930 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: regions, other areas of the country should not grow as fast as Metro Manila if we build a proper ecosystem for these areas. So, the rapid migration to Metro Manila contributed part h2r5-turn-001484 01:39:46.930 --> 01:39:52.670 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of that problem, and then we failed to develop the mass transit that compounded the problem. h2r5-turn-001485 01:39:53.570 --> 01:39:54.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, the h2r5-turn-001486 01:39:54.150 --> 01:40:01.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: trust of our development plan, our long-term vision, as well as the PDP, is to h2r5-turn-001487 01:40:01.310 --> 01:40:04.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: build that connectivity so that h2r5-turn-001488 01:40:04.910 --> 01:40:14.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: growing areas, rapidly growing areas, are connected with lagging areas so that there will be more inclusive development across the country. h2r5-turn-001489 01:40:15.910 --> 01:40:23.330 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Sec. Arsi. I think, in my humble opinion, you hit the nail right on the head. h2r5-turn-001490 01:40:23.590 --> 01:40:28.530 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: It is the in-country migration that is unmanaged. So, h2r5-turn-001491 01:40:28.650 --> 01:40:29.150 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: do h2r5-turn-001492 01:40:29.150 --> 01:40:31.050 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we have any plan to h2r5-turn-001493 01:40:31.050 --> 01:40:34.470 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: manage the in-country migration, aside from growing the regions? h2r5-turn-001494 01:40:34.910 --> 01:40:36.170 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Because it h2r5-turn-001495 01:40:36.170 --> 01:40:43.570 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: will take time to grow the regions. In the meantime, people are looking for jobs, so they go to the center, aside from growing abroad. h2r5-turn-001496 01:40:44.530 --> 01:40:45.090 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, h2r5-turn-001497 01:40:45.090 --> 01:40:48.950 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: in the meantime that we're developing the infra, which will take a h2r5-turn-001498 01:40:48.950 --> 01:40:50.850 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: lot of time, mayroon ba tayong h2r5-turn-001499 01:40:50.850 --> 01:40:59.490 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: plan to manage the in-country migration that really contributed? To the 3.5 billion pesos a day? h2r5-turn-001500 01:41:00.210 --> 01:41:07.730 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think we can start with a few areas that have so much potential for rapid h2r5-turn-001501 01:41:07.730 --> 01:41:11.210 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: economic growth so that people h2r5-turn-001502 01:41:11.210 --> 01:41:15.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: don't have to come to Metro Manila as a final h2r5-turn-001503 01:41:15.470 --> 01:41:16.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: destination for h2r5-turn-001504 01:41:16.410 --> 01:41:18.210 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: jobs. For h2r5-turn-001505 01:41:18.210 --> 01:41:19.650 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: example, I h2r5-turn-001506 01:41:19.650 --> 01:41:22.650 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: look at Iloilo, I look at Cebu, I look at h2r5-turn-001507 01:41:22.650 --> 01:41:24.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Bohol, h2r5-turn-001508 01:41:25.350 --> 01:41:30.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Pangasinan. There are many of those. Bataan, of course, is a high potential, especially once h2r5-turn-001509 01:41:30.790 --> 01:41:33.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you complete that Cavite-Bataan bridge. I h2r5-turn-001510 01:41:33.950 --> 01:41:37.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think Bataan will be a magnet for investment. h2r5-turn-001511 01:41:38.910 --> 01:41:44.070 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, I think the good news, Mr. Chair, is that h2r5-turn-001512 01:41:44.070 --> 01:41:50.650 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: population growth has actually come down substantially and fertility is now just 1 h2r5-turn-001513 01:41:50.650 --> 01:41:52.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: .7, I think, or h2r5-turn-001514 01:41:52.810 --> 01:41:53.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 1.9? h2r5-turn-001515 01:41:53.630 --> 01:41:56.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 1.7. 1 And.7. so, there h2r5-turn-001516 01:41:56.470 --> 01:41:59.672 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is now much less... There is less pressure for h2r5-turn-001517 01:41:59.672 --> 01:42:05.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: migration than, say, 10 years ago because of that rapid h2r5-turn-001518 01:42:05.030 --> 01:42:07.250 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: decline or population growth. h2r5-turn-001519 01:42:09.930 --> 01:42:11.270 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam h2r5-turn-001520 01:42:11.270 --> 01:42:13.950 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Chair. Thank you, Sec. Arsi. I'm looking forward to h2r5-turn-001521 01:42:13.950 --> 01:42:16.830 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: those h2r5-turn-001522 01:42:16.830 --> 01:42:22.350 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: plans to really control or manage the in-country migration while we're h2r5-turn-001523 01:42:22.350 --> 01:42:26.910 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: growing the regions so that they don't have to go to OFW or h2r5-turn-001524 01:42:26.910 --> 01:42:29.650 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: migrate to Metro. h2r5-turn-001525 01:42:29.730 --> 01:42:34.530 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Next question, po, is regarding our foreign assisted, h2r5-turn-001526 01:42:35.250 --> 01:42:41.550 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: yung mga ODAs. Aside from the commitment fees, ang dami pong na-delay. h2r5-turn-001527 01:42:43.810 --> 01:42:44.530 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And h2r5-turn-001528 01:42:44.530 --> 01:42:49.630 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: may penalties po ba tayo doon? Kanina sinabi ni Sec. Dec na h2r5-turn-001529 01:42:49.630 --> 01:43:02.830 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: it's lodged to those agencies, the OTR, the BWH. So, they pay or we pay penalties because of the long delays of our ODAs or foreign assisted projects? h2r5-turn-001530 01:43:03.970 --> 01:43:04.990 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-001531 01:43:05.190 --> 01:43:11.090 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: yeah, I did mention earlier that I believe it would be in the implementing agencies' h2r5-turn-001532 01:43:11.650 --> 01:43:19.810 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: contracts with their service providers or their contractors that might include a penalty clause if projects are delayed. h2r5-turn-001533 01:43:20.650 --> 01:43:22.030 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But the more... h2r5-turn-001534 01:43:23.930 --> 01:43:24.610 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: What's h2r5-turn-001535 01:43:24.610 --> 01:43:28.490 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: more obvious that always happens when a project is delayed is h2r5-turn-001536 01:43:28.490 --> 01:43:29.910 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: that because of the the... time element, h2r5-turn-001537 01:43:30.710 --> 01:43:32.810 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the project cost will actually go up. h2r5-turn-001538 01:43:33.590 --> 01:43:37.390 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Rather than... So, in a way, you can call it a penalty, but it's really in h2r5-turn-001539 01:43:37.390 --> 01:43:43.030 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: another form. It's in the form of a cost overrun or additional h2r5-turn-001540 01:43:43.030 --> 01:43:44.090 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: project cost. h2r5-turn-001541 01:43:44.550 --> 01:43:47.150 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, we have witnessed that in several h2r5-turn-001542 01:43:47.150 --> 01:43:50.170 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: flagship transportation h2r5-turn-001543 01:43:50.170 --> 01:43:55.750 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: and DPWH projects that when the project is delayed for years, the h2r5-turn-001544 01:43:55.750 --> 01:43:57.650 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: project would actually double h2r5-turn-001545 01:43:57.650 --> 01:43:58.610 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: in cost. h2r5-turn-001546 01:43:59.090 --> 01:43:59.910 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But h2r5-turn-001547 01:43:59.910 --> 01:44:01.850 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I believe the penalties might h2r5-turn-001548 01:44:01.850 --> 01:44:05.030 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: be embedded in their contracts. h2r5-turn-001549 01:44:06.250 --> 01:44:17.330 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, SecDec. And it would be good to know whether from DBCC or sa mga respective agencies to know the total of h2r5-turn-001550 01:44:17.330 --> 01:44:28.250 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: penalties or yung mga project cost so that we can really study them. Kasi karamihan po ng delays are the right-of-way issues. h2r5-turn-001551 01:44:29.710 --> 01:44:41.270 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, maybe we can re-strategize na katulad sa bottom-up budgeting which was asked by our colleagues na we h2r5-turn-001552 01:44:41.270 --> 01:44:48.210 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: propose projects that are demand-driven from the local level that are shovel-ready. h2r5-turn-001553 01:44:48.570 --> 01:44:56.250 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, baka pwede rin gawin yun somehow with our foreign-assisted projects para hindi magkaroon ng mahabang delay. h2r5-turn-001554 01:44:57.080 --> 01:45:00.050 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Na umabot ng 10 years, 15 years, and even more. h2r5-turn-001555 01:45:00.190 --> 01:45:01.270 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, I h2r5-turn-001556 01:45:01.270 --> 01:45:02.250 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: think my time is up. h2r5-turn-001557 01:45:02.790 --> 01:45:05.270 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Madam Chair, maraming salamat po. Thank you, Sec. Dec. h2r5-turn-001557-split-2 01:45:05.270 --> 01:45:07.750 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: May I just? h2r5-turn-001558 01:45:07.870 --> 01:45:08.250 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, please. h2r5-turn-001559 01:45:08.490 --> 01:45:11.330 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Just very quickly. Mr. Chair, ever h2r5-turn-001560 01:45:11.330 --> 01:45:16.750 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: since I moved to the Department of Finance, I chaired investment, the ICC. h2r5-turn-001561 01:45:17.570 --> 01:45:20.410 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: All the projects now that are coming up for approval, h2r5-turn-001562 01:45:20.710 --> 01:45:24.250 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we actually now require that they secure the right-of-way first h2r5-turn-001563 01:45:25.170 --> 01:45:28.710 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: because this has become, as you correctly pointed out, h2r5-turn-001564 01:45:29.090 --> 01:45:31.510 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: this is the perennial problem of h2r5-turn-001565 01:45:31.510 --> 01:45:34.010 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the infrastructure projects. They h2r5-turn-001566 01:45:34.010 --> 01:45:36.650 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: secure project approval first without h2r5-turn-001567 01:45:36.650 --> 01:45:37.950 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: securing the right-of-way. h2r5-turn-001568 01:45:38.130 --> 01:45:41.890 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, now we have corrected that sequence. So, we h2r5-turn-001569 01:45:41.890 --> 01:45:43.170 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: require the right-of-way first h2r5-turn-001570 01:45:43.170 --> 01:45:45.970 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: before the project approval. Thank you. h2r5-turn-001571 01:45:46.570 --> 01:45:47.210 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yeah. h2r5-turn-001572 01:45:47.870 --> 01:45:55.730 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Well, I thank for that strategic decision done by the ICC, chaired by SecDec. Maraming salamat po. h2r5-turn-001573 01:45:56.310 --> 01:46:02.710 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And siguro doon na lang, if kung meron man lang tayong mabigay na amounts, yung cumulative delays. h2r5-turn-001574 01:46:04.390 --> 01:46:09.230 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maybe the committee can receive that for the benefit h2r5-turn-001575 01:46:09.230 --> 01:46:09.870 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: of the members. h2r5-turn-001576 01:46:10.490 --> 01:46:11.910 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, SecDec. h2r5-turn-001577 01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:14.840 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-001578 01:46:16.500 --> 01:46:20.320 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Next, to interpelate, Representative Percival Cendaña h2r5-turn-001579 01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:24.100 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Thank you, Madam Chair. Good afternoon, everyone. h2r5-turn-001580 01:46:24.780 --> 01:46:28.340 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Madam Chair, before we discuss the details of the budget, h2r5-turn-001581 01:46:28.660 --> 01:46:36.160 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: I think it is important for us in Congress to understand the fiscal story behind this 7.2 trillion proposal. h2r5-turn-001582 01:46:37.260 --> 01:46:41.060 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: The numbers before us today are materially different from h2r5-turn-001583 01:46:41.060 --> 01:46:44.580 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: what DBCC presented to Congress only a year ago. h2r5-turn-001584 01:46:45.440 --> 01:46:47.600 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Growth expectations have been lowered. h2r5-turn-001585 01:46:47.980 --> 01:46:49.980 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: The projected deficit is higher. h2r5-turn-001586 01:46:50.300 --> 01:46:59.960 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Revenue expectations have been reduced. Interest payments have crossed 1.1 trillion. And the composition of expenditure appears to be lower. h2r5-turn-001587 01:47:01.960 --> 01:47:02.680 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: So, h2r5-turn-001588 01:47:02.700 --> 01:47:07.880 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: our job is not merely to ask whether 7.2 trillion is enough. We h2r5-turn-001589 01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:23.900 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: need to ask whether the assumptions are credible, whether the priorities are correct, and whether taxpayers are receiving sufficient value for every additional peso government spends or borrows. The question Congress must answer is simple. h2r5-turn-001590 01:47:24.360 --> 01:47:29.440 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Given our limited fiscal space, who gets the money? What h2r5-turn-001591 01:47:29.440 --> 01:47:35.480 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: are we sacrificing to finance it? And what evidence tells us that these are the right choices? h2r5-turn-001592 01:47:36.280 --> 01:47:50.080 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: To say that the fiscal space is narrow is an understatement. I'm sure our economic managers will share this sentiment. But that's for another set of questions. Let me begin with last h2r5-turn-001593 01:47:50.080 --> 01:47:56.600 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: year, DBCC told Congress that the economy could grow by 6 to 7 percent in h2r5-turn-001594 01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:58.400 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: 2027. You h2r5-turn-001595 01:47:58.400 --> 01:48:01.279 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: are now projecting only 5 to 6 h2r5-turn-001596 01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:21.960 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: percent. What specifically changed? And I'll also throw in my follow-up question because of the limited time. How much of the downgrade is attributable to external conditions and how much reflects domestic factors such as weak investment, agricultural performance, infrastructure implementation, consumption, or government underspending? h2r5-turn-001597 01:48:22.200 --> 01:48:29.040 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: If growth is only 4 percent in 2027, what happens to revenue, the deficit, and the debt-to-GDP ratio? h2r5-turn-001598 01:49:02.090 --> 01:49:04.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Compared to last year, who h2r5-turn-001599 01:49:04.570 --> 01:49:06.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: would have expected that we'd have a h2r5-turn-001600 01:49:06.490 --> 01:49:08.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Middle East conflict? h2r5-turn-001601 01:49:08.550 --> 01:49:12.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Who would have expected that global trade h2r5-turn-001602 01:49:12.130 --> 01:49:13.390 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: uncertainty would h2r5-turn-001603 01:49:13.390 --> 01:49:18.550 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: suddenly skyrocket because of these h2r5-turn-001604 01:49:18.550 --> 01:49:20.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: changes h2r5-turn-001605 01:49:20.130 --> 01:49:23.750 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in tariff by the h2r5-turn-001606 01:49:23.750 --> 01:49:24.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: U.S. government, for example? h2r5-turn-001607 01:49:25.190 --> 01:49:25.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And h2r5-turn-001608 01:49:25.890 --> 01:49:29.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: all these geopolitical tensions that are happening. h2r5-turn-001609 01:49:29.710 --> 01:49:31.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So we needed to h2r5-turn-001610 01:49:33.010 --> 01:49:37.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: make our growth targets realistic and our h2r5-turn-001611 01:49:37.990 --> 01:49:45.330 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: approach to addressing our problems more realistic. We believe that even h2r5-turn-001612 01:49:45.330 --> 01:49:50.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: though the growth is less next year compared to what we h2r5-turn-001613 01:49:50.430 --> 01:49:52.690 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: targeted earlier, h2r5-turn-001614 01:49:53.070 --> 01:49:56.830 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: this kind of growth is going to be one h2r5-turn-001615 01:49:56.830 --> 01:49:59.370 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that is enduring, meaning that h2r5-turn-001616 01:50:00.490 --> 01:50:01.310 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: while h2r5-turn-001617 01:50:01.310 --> 01:50:06.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: it's lower, we are building a stronger foundation for a faster growth h2r5-turn-001618 01:50:06.190 --> 01:50:10.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in the succeeding years. We can't be irresponsible by h2r5-turn-001619 01:50:10.970 --> 01:50:11.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: trying h2r5-turn-001620 01:50:11.890 --> 01:50:15.110 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to drive high growth when the fundamentals will h2r5-turn-001621 01:50:15.110 --> 01:50:21.050 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: not support it. That can lead us to even worse problems like the h2r5-turn-001622 01:50:21.050 --> 01:50:23.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: deficit that you just mentioned, Mr. h2r5-turn-001623 01:50:25.030 --> 01:50:25.250 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. h2r5-turn-001624 01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:37.200 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Is there a response to my last question about if the growth is only 4 percent in 2027, what h2r5-turn-001625 01:50:37.200 --> 01:50:38.980 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: happens to revenue, the deficit, h2r5-turn-001626 01:50:39.140 --> 01:50:40.720 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: and the debt-to-GDP ratio? h2r5-turn-001627 01:50:42.060 --> 01:50:43.420 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: The DOF, perhaps. h2r5-turn-001628 01:50:45.790 --> 01:50:47.570 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-001629 01:50:48.510 --> 01:50:52.510 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think the answer to your question is h2r5-turn-001630 01:50:52.510 --> 01:50:56.050 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: if the GDP assumptions are reduced, h2r5-turn-001631 01:50:56.450 --> 01:51:00.870 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the assumptions for tax revenues will also h2r5-turn-001632 01:51:00.870 --> 01:51:02.030 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: be reduced as well, h2r5-turn-001633 01:51:02.190 --> 01:51:05.670 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: proportionately to the reduction h2r5-turn-001634 01:51:05.670 --> 01:51:15.890 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: or changes in the macro-economic assumptions. So, Your Honor, if I may just point out there are several macroeconomic assumptions that we that h2r5-turn-001635 01:51:15.890 --> 01:51:21.250 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we take from to come up with our revenue projections. Among h2r5-turn-001636 01:51:21.250 --> 01:51:23.050 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: them are inflation rate, h2r5-turn-001637 01:51:24.570 --> 01:51:26.350 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: real GDP growth rate, h2r5-turn-001638 01:51:27.950 --> 01:51:37.810 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: borrowing rate, foreign exchange rate. I think you correctly noticed that if the GDP growth assumptions, h2r5-turn-001639 01:51:38.650 --> 01:51:39.270 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: are lowered, h2r5-turn-001640 01:51:39.430 --> 01:51:44.350 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: then our revenue numbers are likewise lowered, proportionately. h2r5-turn-001641 01:51:45.690 --> 01:51:51.070 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Madam Chair, may the committee please direct the DBCC to submit a downside h2r5-turn-001642 01:51:51.070 --> 01:52:07.070 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: macroeconomic scenario showing the physical consequences of a 4 GDP growth, 65 peso to a dollar exchange rate, higher oil prices and interest rates, 100 basis points above baseline. Madam Chair, can we request the DBCC? h2r5-turn-001643 01:52:07.070 --> 01:52:07.210 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, the h2r5-turn-001644 01:52:07.210 --> 01:52:13.390 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: DBCC is so directed. Please submit the documents requested by h2r5-turn-001645 01:52:14.350 --> 01:52:15.250 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong Perci. h2r5-turn-001646 01:52:15.770 --> 01:52:17.170 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001647 01:52:17.690 --> 01:52:22.190 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Ganun pa rin po yung kwento, no? Yung iba yung kwento last year, iba dun sa kwento this year. h2r5-turn-001648 01:52:22.510 --> 01:52:28.370 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Last year, you told Congress that the deficit would fall to 4.8 of GDP by 2027. h2r5-turn-001649 01:52:28.910 --> 01:52:32.230 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Now you are saying 5.1%. Why h2r5-turn-001650 01:52:32.230 --> 01:52:34.430 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: has fiscal consolidation been pushed back? h2r5-turn-001651 01:52:36.740 --> 01:52:50.620 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: And if I may also throw in my follow-up question just to be sure that I'll be able to cover the questions, how many times can government revise the fiscal consolidation path before Congress should conclude that the original target is no longer credible? h2r5-turn-001652 01:52:51.380 --> 01:52:54.980 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: What is the government's actual medium term fiscal anchor? h2r5-turn-001653 01:52:55.500 --> 01:52:57.060 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Mr. Chair, to h2r5-turn-001654 01:52:59.490 --> 01:53:00.050 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: the DOF. h2r5-turn-001655 01:53:03.530 --> 01:53:06.610 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, actually the h2r5-turn-001656 01:53:07.350 --> 01:53:12.710 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: way it works is the DBCC meets two times a year. And h2r5-turn-001657 01:53:12.710 --> 01:53:21.190 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: every time the DBCC meets, the members of the DBCC, namely DEBDEV, DBM, DOF, and the Office of the President, h2r5-turn-001658 01:53:21.830 --> 01:53:26.130 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: discuss all the macroeconomic assumptions that will be used to h2r5-turn-001659 01:53:26.130 --> 01:53:27.210 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: come up with the budget h2r5-turn-001660 01:53:28.570 --> 01:53:30.390 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: changes, if you will. h2r5-turn-001661 01:53:30.910 --> 01:53:31.510 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, h2r5-turn-001662 01:53:33.230 --> 01:53:33.530 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the h2r5-turn-001663 01:53:35.050 --> 01:53:35.650 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: when h2r5-turn-001664 01:53:38.310 --> 01:53:42.750 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the war in Iran or the closure of the Strait of Hormuz happened, h2r5-turn-001665 01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:45.910 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: it had a severe impact to h2r5-turn-001666 01:53:45.910 --> 01:53:47.150 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: our inflation rate. h2r5-turn-001667 01:53:47.850 --> 01:53:51.290 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We were projecting an inflation rate of 3 to 4 percent. h2r5-turn-001668 01:53:51.750 --> 01:53:54.030 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: It jumped to over h2r5-turn-001669 01:53:54.030 --> 01:53:54.850 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 6 percent. h2r5-turn-001670 01:53:55.170 --> 01:54:01.610 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And therefore, real GDP, instead of we expected it to grow by 5 h2r5-turn-001671 01:54:01.610 --> 01:54:05.470 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to 6 percent, instead only grew by 2.8 h2r5-turn-001672 01:54:05.470 --> 01:54:05.890 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: percent. h2r5-turn-001673 01:54:06.150 --> 01:54:11.090 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, the technical working group of the DBCC had to take into account the reality. h2r5-turn-001674 01:54:11.850 --> 01:54:12.230 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Of h2r5-turn-001675 01:54:12.230 --> 01:54:14.150 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the situation that h2r5-turn-001676 01:54:15.870 --> 01:54:19.070 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: previous macroeconomic assumptions no longer hold. h2r5-turn-001677 01:54:19.370 --> 01:54:22.990 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, in coming up with the BESF of 2027, h2r5-turn-001678 01:54:23.690 --> 01:54:25.130 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we had to h2r5-turn-001679 01:54:25.930 --> 01:54:27.350 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: follow the new h2r5-turn-001680 01:54:27.350 --> 01:54:30.870 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: macroeconomic assumptions that were produced h2r5-turn-001681 01:54:30.870 --> 01:54:32.430 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: by DEBDEV h2r5-turn-001682 01:54:32.430 --> 01:54:35.250 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: and DBM. Then we do the revenue side. h2r5-turn-001683 01:54:36.590 --> 01:54:42.650 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Again, may the committee please direct the DBCC to submit a h2r5-turn-001684 01:54:42.650 --> 01:54:46.370 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: reconciliation of the 2025, 2026, and h2r5-turn-001685 01:54:46.370 --> 01:54:50.370 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: 2027 BESF medium-term fiscal program, h2r5-turn-001686 01:54:50.590 --> 01:54:52.790 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: showing why each major forecast changed. h2r5-turn-001687 01:54:54.130 --> 01:54:56.310 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: The DBCC is so directed. h2r5-turn-001688 01:54:56.850 --> 01:54:57.690 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. h2r5-turn-001689 01:54:59.230 --> 01:54:59.910 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: I h2r5-turn-001690 01:54:59.910 --> 01:55:05.570 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: still have a minute and 38 seconds. Again, doon po sa kwentong iba last year sa kwento this year, no? h2r5-turn-001691 01:55:05.670 --> 01:55:11.030 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: You previously expected 5.366 trillion in revenues for 2027. h2r5-turn-001692 01:55:11.850 --> 01:55:14.850 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: You now expect only 5.206 h2r5-turn-001693 01:55:14.850 --> 01:55:15.190 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: trillion. h2r5-turn-001694 01:55:15.610 --> 01:55:19.650 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Where did we lose approximately 161 billion? h2r5-turn-001695 01:55:22.010 --> 01:55:23.870 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, the answer is h2r5-turn-001696 01:55:25.470 --> 01:55:29.250 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: similar to what I said earlier. If the GDP drops h2r5-turn-001697 01:55:29.250 --> 01:55:29.730 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: by h2r5-turn-001698 01:55:31.790 --> 01:55:33.990 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 2.5 percentage points, h2r5-turn-001699 01:55:34.290 --> 01:55:39.970 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: then we have to assume that the economy is slowing, which means that the tax collections of h2r5-turn-001700 01:55:39.970 --> 01:55:42.210 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: our tax collection agencies will h2r5-turn-001701 01:55:42.210 --> 01:55:44.250 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: also, be reduced h2r5-turn-001702 01:55:44.970 --> 01:55:45.570 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: accordingly. h2r5-turn-001703 01:55:47.030 --> 01:55:55.970 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Having heard that, would weak revenue collection hinder the proposed adjustment on tax exemption? How about lowering of the VAT or imposing a wealth tax? h2r5-turn-001704 01:55:57.390 --> 01:56:05.030 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, we actually have submitted to Congress a bill that we have called PROGRESS. h2r5-turn-001705 01:56:05.850 --> 01:56:16.810 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Within PROGRESS, there are two revenue eroding measures, which is one is the increase of personal income tax from 250,000 a year to 350,000 a year. h2r5-turn-001706 01:56:16.930 --> 01:56:19.850 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The second is to exempt micro h2r5-turn-001707 01:56:19.850 --> 01:56:22.910 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: and small industries from minimum h2r5-turn-001708 01:56:22.910 --> 01:56:24.330 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: corporate income tax. h2r5-turn-001709 01:56:24.630 --> 01:56:27.550 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And in the same bill, we proposed eight h2r5-turn-001710 01:56:27.550 --> 01:56:28.410 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: measures, h2r5-turn-001711 01:56:28.710 --> 01:56:31.770 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: revenue enhancing measures, for your consideration. h2r5-turn-001712 01:56:32.150 --> 01:56:33.970 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And in those eight h2r5-turn-001713 01:56:33.970 --> 01:56:40.670 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: measures, they basically cover social, environmental, and health taxes. h2r5-turn-001714 01:56:41.610 --> 01:56:42.310 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So if h2r5-turn-001715 01:56:44.010 --> 01:56:52.690 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Congress approves those revenue enhancing measures, it will fully cover for the revenue eroding measures. h2r5-turn-001716 01:56:53.570 --> 01:57:04.850 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Mr. Chair, may we direct the DBCC to submit a bridge table reconciling the old 2027 revenue forecast with the new one, Mr. Chair? h2r5-turn-001717 01:57:05.190 --> 01:57:08.550 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes. The DBCC is so directed. h2r5-turn-001718 01:57:09.710 --> 01:57:11.690 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Thank you. I h2r5-turn-001719 01:57:11.690 --> 01:57:14.710 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: have a minute, I believe, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001720 01:57:14.950 --> 01:57:15.530 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That is correct. h2r5-turn-001721 01:57:16.710 --> 01:57:22.270 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sige po, dun na po tayo sa malapit sa sikmura at sa pinagdadaanan ng mga kababayan natin araw-araw. h2r5-turn-001722 01:57:22.730 --> 01:57:43.450 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Eto po, the functional allocation for health falls from approximately 458 billion to 362.7 billion, a decline approaching 96 billion pesos. Please identify program by program what accounts for the roughness of the revenue. The roughly 96 billion decline in health sector allocation h2r5-turn-001723 01:57:45.630 --> 01:57:46.230 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: to h2r5-turn-001724 01:57:46.230 --> 01:57:46.750 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: the DBM. h2r5-turn-001725 01:57:50.580 --> 01:58:12.480 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sige po, baka it might help in framing the answer. Dugtong ko na po yung aking kasunod na tanong. How much of this is related to PhilHealth? How much reflects one of expenditures in 2026? How much represents an actual reduction in health services? What happens to out-of-pocket health expenditures if government health financing does not keep pace with the demand? h2r5-turn-001726 01:58:15.320 --> 01:58:16.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, h2r5-turn-001727 01:58:16.520 --> 01:58:18.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, one h2r5-turn-001728 01:58:18.280 --> 01:58:23.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of the at least two items that received when we compare the h2r5-turn-001729 01:58:23.100 --> 01:58:25.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2027 NEP to the GAA h2r5-turn-001730 01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:30.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: has a decrease is the Health Facilities Enhancement Program because of the h2r5-turn-001731 01:58:30.900 --> 01:58:34.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: utilization of the DOH of its 2026 allocation. h2r5-turn-001732 01:58:35.330 --> 01:58:37.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The same is true with h2r5-turn-001733 01:58:37.500 --> 01:58:41.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the medical h2r5-turn-001734 01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:45.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: assistance to indigent and financially incapacitated patients which h2r5-turn-001735 01:58:45.900 --> 01:58:46.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we retained h2r5-turn-001736 01:58:46.820 --> 01:58:49.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to the NEP level of 2026. h2r5-turn-001737 01:58:50.140 --> 01:58:53.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But despite the decrease in allocation of the MAIFIP, h2r5-turn-001738 01:58:53.600 --> 01:59:01.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the administration and the president has approved that the coverage of the zero balance billing program be expanded under h2r5-turn-001739 01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:04.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the PhilHealth. That's why they had an additional of h2r5-turn-001740 01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:10.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 14 billion in subsidy. A notable factor as well, Your h2r5-turn-001741 01:59:10.280 --> 01:59:14.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor, Mr. Chair, on the decrease of the health sector budget is the one time h2r5-turn-001742 01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:16.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: return h2r5-turn-001743 01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:19.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: return of the 60 billion peso fund h2r5-turn-001744 01:59:19.960 --> 01:59:24.295 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: balance to PhilHealth. So that was part of the 2026 level. So h2r5-turn-001745 01:59:24.295 --> 01:59:27.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hence, that's a factor when we when compare we the h2r5-turn-001746 01:59:27.660 --> 01:59:31.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: compare the health sector health spending sector between spending the between 2026 the GAA 2026 GAA and h2r5-turn-001747 01:59:31.680 --> 01:59:33.799 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: and the 2027 2027 NEP. Basically, h2r5-turn-001748 01:59:33.799 --> 01:59:34.274 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: those h2r5-turn-001749 01:59:34.274 --> 01:59:37.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Basically, three those major three major items, Your Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001750 01:59:38.160 --> 01:59:53.600 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Mr. Chair, may we direct the DBCC to submit to this committee a reconciliation of the DOH, NEP. Of PhilHealth, health facilities and medical assistance, and other health-related appropriations for 2025 to 2027, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001751 01:59:53.820 --> 01:59:54.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will provide h2r5-turn-001752 01:59:54.340 --> 01:59:54.340 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, Cong. Perci h2r5-turn-001753 01:59:54.340 --> 01:59:54.500 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: ... h2r5-turn-001754 01:59:54.500 --> 01:59:54.760 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: ... h2r5-turn-001755 01:59:54.760 --> 01:59:55.040 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: ... h2r5-turn-001756 01:59:55.040 --> 01:59:55.500 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Your Honor. h2r5-turn-001757 01:59:55.500 --> 01:59:58.314 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: The DBCC is so directed. h2r5-turn-001758 01:59:58.314 --> 01:59:59.118 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you h2r5-turn-001759 01:59:59.118 --> 01:59:59.520 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: ... h2r5-turn-001760 01:59:59.800 --> 02:00:35.560 Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: A very brief manifestation as my time has ended. Nakakalungkot po at nakababahala na dito sa mismong budget, kita ang pagkamanhit pagkamanhid ng gobyerno sa pinagdadaan ng hirap na ating mga mamamayan. Kung makikita po natin yung mga top losers, top five losers, pag tininan po natin yung budget ng mga ahensya, karamihan po dito ay social services na kailangan-kailangan sa panahon na ng lulunod sa taas. Mas presyo at hirap ng buhay ang ating mga kababayan. Sabi po kanina, ang DPM dapat budget makatao. Pero habang binabasa ko po ang NEP, ang aking natanong, di ba manhid? Marami pong salamat. h2r5-turn-001761 02:00:37.140 --> 02:00:38.820 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat, Cong. Perci. h2r5-turn-001762 02:00:40.020 --> 02:00:43.180 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Next, we go back to the majority. May h2r5-turn-001763 02:00:43.180 --> 02:00:43.860 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on? h2r5-turn-001764 02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:46.140 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congresswoman Deth h2r5-turn-001765 02:00:46.140 --> 02:00:47.060 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Escudero. h2r5-turn-001766 02:00:47.560 --> 02:00:48.420 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Please go h2r5-turn-001766-split-2 02:00:48.420 --> 02:00:49.280 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please go ahead, ma'am. h2r5-turn-001767 02:00:50.380 --> 02:00:52.960 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Good afternoon to everyone present here today. h2r5-turn-001768 02:00:53.500 --> 02:00:55.560 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: My question is for the DBM. h2r5-turn-001769 02:00:56.880 --> 02:00:58.640 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Mr. Secretary, h2r5-turn-001770 02:00:58.640 --> 02:00:59.320 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: good afternoon. h2r5-turn-001771 02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:07.920 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Last year, as DOT's budget sponsor, I advocated to revise the special provisions to help augment our tourism promotion budget. h2r5-turn-001772 02:01:09.120 --> 02:01:14.220 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: If you will notice po, ang budget po ng Department of Tourism hindi h2r5-turn-001773 02:01:14.220 --> 02:01:17.380 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: ganun kataas as compared to the other agencies. So at that time, h2r5-turn-001774 02:01:17.460 --> 02:01:21.800 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: naghanap po ako ng ibang ways to augment the h2r5-turn-001775 02:01:21.800 --> 02:01:22.940 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: budget of the DOT. h2r5-turn-001776 02:01:24.020 --> 02:01:27.960 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Natanong ko na rin po ito, but hindi po kami nagkaroon ng agreement with the DBM. h2r5-turn-001777 02:01:29.480 --> 02:01:33.560 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Given that the Tourism Development Fund and Tourism h2r5-turn-001778 02:01:33.560 --> 02:01:38.660 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Promotions Fund are already earmarked by law and treated as automatically appropriated in h2r5-turn-001779 02:01:38.660 --> 02:01:42.280 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: the Special Account in the General Fund or SAGF under h2r5-turn-001780 02:01:42.280 --> 02:01:48.620 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: PD No. 1234, ang tanong ko lang po, bakit po kailangan pa ng separate budget request ng DOT bago h2r5-turn-001781 02:01:48.620 --> 02:01:52.540 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: po ito magamit? Is the DBM simply verifying the available balance? h2r5-turn-001782 02:01:53.540 --> 02:01:58.680 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: The purpose? Or is there another layer of approval before mabigay or ma-release ang funds? h2r5-turn-001783 02:02:00.540 --> 02:02:13.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, for the Special Account in the General Fund, and this is applicable across all the departments naman po. Utilization of any amounts from the Special Account requires the submission of h2r5-turn-001784 02:02:13.520 --> 02:02:17.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: their respective special budget request so h2r5-turn-001785 02:02:17.220 --> 02:02:19.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that we can determine particularly, no, h2r5-turn-001786 02:02:19.960 --> 02:02:22.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: whether kung in h2r5-turn-001787 02:02:22.060 --> 02:02:25.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: line po yung kanilang proposal. Yes, expenditure dun sa purpose h2r5-turn-001788 02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:27.464 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of the Special Account h2r5-turn-001789 02:02:27.464 --> 02:02:29.644 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as well as to check h2r5-turn-001790 02:02:29.644 --> 02:02:32.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po because we are subjecting the h2r5-turn-001791 02:02:32.260 --> 02:02:36.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: use of the Special Account sa atin pong fiscal programming. h2r5-turn-001792 02:02:36.980 --> 02:02:39.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, in the NEP, the h2r5-turn-001793 02:02:39.580 --> 02:02:45.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DBM has actually determined the portion of the actual balance of the SAGF that h2r5-turn-001794 02:02:45.940 --> 02:02:52.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the agency can actually utilize during the fiscal year. So, yun lamang naman po yung gusto nating ma-determine, your honor, h2r5-turn-001795 02:02:52.680 --> 02:02:57.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa pag-requirement. wire sa agency sa pag-release nung kanilang funds from the special account? h2r5-turn-001796 02:02:59.340 --> 02:03:03.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Can the department provide us with the actual SAGF balance, h2r5-turn-001797 02:03:04.680 --> 02:03:19.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: amount released, amount obligated, and the unreleased balance of both the Tourism Development Fund and the Tourism Promotions Fund for the last at least three years? And I think this will help us better understand whether available tourism funds can be released more efficiently. h2r5-turn-001798 02:03:20.740 --> 02:03:22.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And also, I noticed din po, h2r5-turn-001799 02:03:23.860 --> 02:03:28.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in the 2026 General Appropriations Act, h2r5-turn-001800 02:03:28.220 --> 02:03:30.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: under the special provisions, h2r5-turn-001801 02:03:30.860 --> 02:03:32.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: naka-earmark h2r5-turn-001802 02:03:32.240 --> 02:03:40.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung 1,339,608 for tourism promotion, but h2r5-turn-001803 02:03:40.820 --> 02:03:41.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for h2r5-turn-001804 02:03:43.180 --> 02:03:50.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2027, nagbago po yung special provision, if I'm not mistaken. So, it says that, it h2r5-turn-001805 02:03:50.320 --> 02:03:53.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: says here the amount chargeable against the SAGF in h2r5-turn-001806 02:03:53.760 --> 02:03:57.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: BEF Table B.15 under h2r5-turn-001807 02:03:57.580 --> 02:03:59.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: year 2027 h2r5-turn-001808 02:03:59.880 --> 02:04:14.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proposed expenditures shall be used for tourism promotions and marketing activities of the Tourism Promotions Board. Anyway, I won't read the whole thing, but wala na pong nakalagay talaga na exact amount for year 2027. May I ask po kung h2r5-turn-001809 02:04:17.240 --> 02:04:20.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ano po yung rationale for this change in the special provisions? h2r5-turn-001810 02:04:23.540 --> 02:04:32.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, well, number one po on the balances that is included po in Table B.15 of the BESF, the balances of December 2025. h2r5-turn-001811 02:04:33.380 --> 02:04:37.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And that is also the reason, Madam Chair, the answer for the second question, h2r5-turn-001812 02:04:37.880 --> 02:04:42.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: na it's just a different style of presenting the special provision. It's h2r5-turn-001813 02:04:42.400 --> 02:04:45.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: actually the same special provision, Madam, Your h2r5-turn-001814 02:04:45.120 --> 02:04:45.420 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor, h2r5-turn-001815 02:04:45.620 --> 02:04:52.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: but the amount, instead of it being reflected as an amount, referred to the table itself. But the h2r5-turn-001816 02:04:52.840 --> 02:04:57.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: table, actually, includes the same amount which is being programmed for 2027. Ah, h2r5-turn-001817 02:04:58.060 --> 02:04:59.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: so parehas lang po h2r5-turn-001818 02:04:59.120 --> 02:05:00.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: na amount. h2r5-turn-001819 02:05:10.480 --> 02:05:15.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For the, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, for the Tourism Development Fund, h2r5-turn-001820 02:05:15.780 --> 02:05:18.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 4.578. h2r5-turn-001821 02:05:19.140 --> 02:05:22.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ang expenditure po, program h2r5-turn-001822 02:05:22.100 --> 02:05:25.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for the special account of, this is DOT. h2r5-turn-001823 02:05:29.950 --> 02:05:33.930 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May I just clarify, Your Honor, if the question for the program is TPB? h2r5-turn-001824 02:05:38.390 --> 02:05:39.930 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: I'm sorry, it's TPF. h2r5-turn-001825 02:05:40.590 --> 02:05:40.670 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Yeah. h2r5-turn-001826 02:05:42.290 --> 02:05:44.310 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Tourism Promotions Fund. h2r5-turn-001827 02:05:44.310 --> 02:05:49.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, for the Tourism Promotions Fund of h2r5-turn-001828 02:05:49.150 --> 02:05:54.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the utilization of the Tourism Promotions Board, as stated in Table B15, h2r5-turn-001829 02:05:54.610 --> 02:05:59.010 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the programmed expenditures for 2027 is 1 h2r5-turn-001830 02:05:59.010 --> 02:06:00.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .119 h2r5-turn-001831 02:06:01.150 --> 02:06:03.150 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: billion pesos. So h2r5-turn-001832 02:06:03.150 --> 02:06:08.350 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: it decreased po from the 1.339 from h2r5-turn-001833 02:06:08.350 --> 02:06:09.410 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: 2026. h2r5-turn-001834 02:06:11.430 --> 02:06:13.730 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: There is a slight reduction, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-001835 02:06:13.950 --> 02:06:21.850 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: May I ask po, what's the reason for this? Because, as I said, isa na po sa pinakamababa talagang budget ang DOT. h2r5-turn-001836 02:06:22.890 --> 02:06:26.610 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: For 2026, I believe it's 19.3 of h2r5-turn-001837 02:06:28.310 --> 02:06:29.670 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: yung total collections. h2r5-turn-001838 02:06:30.770 --> 02:06:35.950 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: And now, it came down for year 2027 to 16.1%. h2r5-turn-001839 02:06:40.520 --> 02:06:58.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, per available data, not to mention, number one, the utilization rate of TPB for 2026. We have also considered that for 2026, there are committed activities, part of that authorized level intended for ASEAN hosting, h2r5-turn-001840 02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:01.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: which is only a one-off event this year. h2r5-turn-001841 02:07:05.890 --> 02:07:13.390 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: At the appropriate time, Mr. Secretary, I hope we can revisit these special provisions so we can work h2r5-turn-001842 02:07:13.390 --> 02:07:19.130 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: together for a more efficient mechanism so that these earmarked tourism funds can be utilized. Kasi po, itong, for h2r5-turn-001843 02:07:19.130 --> 02:07:28.850 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: me po, itong budget na po ito, talagang kinolect talaga ito at inappropriate for the Department of Tourism. So, yun lang po talaga yung concern ko na sana magamit talaga h2r5-turn-001844 02:07:28.850 --> 02:07:32.210 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: itong pondo na ito for the Department. h2r5-turn-001845 02:07:33.850 --> 02:07:37.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor would be happy to work with Your h2r5-turn-001846 02:07:37.070 --> 02:07:38.790 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor on that particular item. h2r5-turn-001847 02:07:39.610 --> 02:07:48.610 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: And also, Mr. Chair, this actually goes beyond tourism. If the government already has collected revenue, specifically earmarked for a h2r5-turn-001848 02:07:48.610 --> 02:07:51.590 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: particular public purpose, should we not establish a uniform h2r5-turn-001849 02:07:52.290 --> 02:07:56.570 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: risk-based mechanism for the SAGF so that h2r5-turn-001850 02:07:56.570 --> 02:08:03.530 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: agencies can access these funds efficiently while retaining DBM, Treasury, and of course COA safeguards? h2r5-turn-001851 02:08:05.210 --> 02:08:14.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, special accounts in the general fund are actually automatic appropriations. And what the DBM is doing is to program a h2r5-turn-001852 02:08:14.150 --> 02:08:19.510 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: portion of the SAGF, which can actually be utilized by these agencies during h2r5-turn-001853 02:08:19.510 --> 02:08:23.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the fiscal year. So, that's part of our judicial-fiscal programming so h2r5-turn-001854 02:08:23.690 --> 02:08:26.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as not to also contribute to h2r5-turn-001855 02:08:26.070 --> 02:08:32.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: increase in deficit if we'll be able to program more than what the agency actually needs or what it can actually spend. h2r5-turn-001856 02:08:32.890 --> 02:08:34.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But we'll be happy to work with the h2r5-turn-001857 02:08:34.490 --> 02:08:39.650 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: good sponsor for the tourism budget and we'll be happy to share our notes as well h2r5-turn-001858 02:08:40.250 --> 02:08:42.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on what were the basis in coming up with those levels. h2r5-turn-001859 02:08:43.590 --> 02:08:45.970 Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Secretary. h2r5-turn-001860 02:08:48.340 --> 02:08:51.480 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, thank you very much, Congresswoman Deth. h2r5-turn-001861 02:08:52.020 --> 02:08:53.540 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And now, h2r5-turn-001862 02:08:53.640 --> 02:08:56.940 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: may we call on Congresswoman Sarah Elago. h2r5-turn-001863 02:08:58.200 --> 02:08:59.620 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed, ma'am. h2r5-turn-001864 02:09:00.580 --> 02:09:02.440 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, maraming salamat, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001865 02:09:03.420 --> 02:09:08.260 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Hindi maganda ang araw sa maraming humarap sa malakas na buhos ng ulan at lumusang sa baha. h2r5-turn-001866 02:09:08.460 --> 02:09:18.180 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayong umaga, mga commuters at mga manggagawa, lalo ng mga transport sector workers na nananatiling stranded sa daan, mga lumikas na, at h2r5-turn-001867 02:09:18.180 --> 02:09:31.120 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: saka sa lukuyan na sa evacuation centers na, at marami naghihintay pa ng rescue at tulong. Hindi lang mga bahay at daan ang mga binabaha. Binabaha rin ang problema ang ordinaryong mamamayan. Lubog ang agrikultura at manupaktura, h2r5-turn-001868 02:09:31.920 --> 02:09:35.880 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kaya kulang na kulang ang regular at disenting trabaho at kabuhayan. h2r5-turn-001869 02:09:36.220 --> 02:09:40.980 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Lubog sa utang ang marami sa taas ng presyo ng bilihin at napakababang sahod. h2r5-turn-001870 02:09:41.120 --> 02:09:53.440 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Lubog rin sa pambansang utang dahil sa pagkataas-taas ng pambansang utang na umabot na sa P1.1 trillion pesos o nasa 64.9 na laki ng utang na umabot na sa h2r5-turn-001871 02:09:55.360 --> 02:10:07.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nakumpara doon sa buong halaga ng mga produkto at servisyo na ginagawa ng bansa. This is the highest in 22 years, Mr. Chair. Ang utang ay pataas ng pataas imbes na bumababa. h2r5-turn-001872 02:10:08.280 --> 02:10:12.580 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Una, magkano po ba yung balak na utangin ng pamahalaan sa susunod na taon h2r5-turn-001873 02:10:12.580 --> 02:10:14.400 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: upang pondohan ang h2r5-turn-001874 02:10:14.400 --> 02:10:18.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kulang sa ating budget sa 2027? Ang ating fiscal deficit. h2r5-turn-001875 02:10:19.220 --> 02:10:35.360 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ah diretsuhin ko na po sa inyong presentation, it's at 3.304 trillion pesos. Pwede po bang mag-submit ang ating DBCC ng list at breakdown ng lahat ng domestic at external sources sa committee and appropriations? h2r5-turn-001876 02:10:36.430 --> 02:10:42.420 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, the DBCC is directed to submit said document h2r5-turn-001877 02:10:42.420 --> 02:10:44.960 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: requested by Congresswoman Sara. h2r5-turn-001878 02:10:45.780 --> 02:11:02.180 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Mr. Chair. Dahil dito, bawat isang Pilipino ngayon may tinataya na na 166,000 77 pesos at tataas pa maski ang mga hindi pa pinapanganak at susunod na salinlahi, lubog na lubog na agad sa pambansang utang. Doon po sa 7.2 trillion budget, h2r5-turn-001879 02:11:02.500 --> 02:11:06.220 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ang debt interest payments nasa 1.1 h2r5-turn-001880 02:11:06.780 --> 02:11:08.000 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: trillion pesos. h2r5-turn-001881 02:11:08.640 --> 02:11:10.980 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit magkano po yung para pa sa principal h2r5-turn-001882 02:11:10.980 --> 02:11:13.880 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: amortization na babayaran natin? h2r5-turn-001883 02:11:27.010 --> 02:11:30.070 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Sara, your question is directed to h2r5-turn-001884 02:11:31.610 --> 02:11:32.710 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: which agency? h2r5-turn-001885 02:11:33.070 --> 02:11:34.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, for the DBM, DOF? h2r5-turn-001885-split-2 02:11:34.100 --> 02:11:35.130 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: DBM? h2r5-turn-001886 02:11:35.650 --> 02:11:37.210 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: DBM can answer the h2r5-turn-001887 02:11:37.210 --> 02:11:38.470 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: amount h2r5-turn-001888 02:11:38.470 --> 02:11:40.910 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: for principal amortization payment h2r5-turn-001889 02:11:40.910 --> 02:11:42.010 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: for this year. h2r5-turn-001890 02:11:42.230 --> 02:11:46.730 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Can you repeat the question, Cong. Sara? Kakapasok lang po muli ni Sec. Dec. h2r5-turn-001891 02:11:47.790 --> 02:11:56.190 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Magkano ang ating total debt service expenditure? Kanina na-report na sa 1.1 yung para sa debt interest payment. h2r5-turn-001892 02:11:56.470 --> 02:11:58.690 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: What about for principal amortization? h2r5-turn-001893 02:12:01.350 --> 02:12:05.870 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: For this year, the difference between would h2r5-turn-001894 02:12:05.870 --> 02:12:09.330 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: be we can compute it now. h2r5-turn-001895 02:12:12.110 --> 02:12:14.900 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 1.6 trillion principal h2r5-turn-001896 02:12:14.900 --> 02:12:15.740 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: amortization. h2r5-turn-001897 02:12:16.880 --> 02:12:21.200 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yan, Mr. Chair, ang hindi po natin masyado na pag-uusapan dito. Sa katunayan, h2r5-turn-001898 02:12:21.360 --> 02:12:24.920 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nasa 2.7 trillion pesos yung ating total h2r5-turn-001899 02:12:24.920 --> 02:12:27.140 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: debt service expenditure na h2r5-turn-001900 02:12:27.140 --> 02:12:41.220 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa totoo lang ay pagkataas-taas po. Mas mataas pa sa lahat ng mga gagastusin natin. Social services, sa economic at lahat ng napakarami pang mga pangangailangan ng ating mga kababayan. At malaking bahagi din po dyan talagang h2r5-turn-001901 02:12:41.220 --> 02:12:41.660 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: automatic h2r5-turn-001902 02:12:41.660 --> 02:12:52.760 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: appropriations, hindi na po dumadaan sa masusing pagdedebate, imbes na ginagastus natin. At tulad na lang dun sa maraming panawagan ng ating mga kababayan para h2r5-turn-001903 02:12:52.760 --> 02:12:55.140 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa mas mataas na podo sa kalusugan, sa h2r5-turn-001904 02:12:55.140 --> 02:12:57.300 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: edukasyon, at marami pang iba. Ang h2r5-turn-001905 02:12:57.300 --> 02:12:57.720 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ngayon, h2r5-turn-001906 02:12:58.480 --> 02:12:59.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-001907 02:12:59.980 --> 02:13:02.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: 19 billion din ng ating h2r5-turn-001908 02:13:02.340 --> 02:13:05.520 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: foreign-assisted projects ay para sa flood control. h2r5-turn-001909 02:13:06.550 --> 02:13:12.260 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Di po ba ito maaaring mailagay na lang dun sa marami ding makakaranas na budget cut? Halimbawa ho, h2r5-turn-001910 02:13:12.690 --> 02:13:17.220 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa Department of Agriculture, wala pa rin pondo yung agricultural h2r5-turn-001911 02:13:17.220 --> 02:13:18.480 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: production subsidy. h2r5-turn-001912 02:13:19.220 --> 02:13:20.600 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pagdating naman sa h2r5-turn-001913 02:13:21.280 --> 02:13:32.160 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: DOLE, wala pa rin pong pondo para dun sa mas pang matagalan na job creation. At bulk pa rin ang budget niya nasa tupad o nasa short term lang na h2r5-turn-001914 02:13:32.340 --> 02:13:33.860 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: tulong sa trabaho. h2r5-turn-001915 02:13:35.640 --> 02:13:36.300 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ano ho ba? h2r5-turn-001916 02:13:36.800 --> 02:13:42.000 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Bakit po patuloy pa rin natin na billion-billion yung nilalagay sa flood control imbis po h2r5-turn-001917 02:13:43.300 --> 02:13:45.140 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ilagay sa mga servisyong ito? h2r5-turn-001918 02:13:46.560 --> 02:13:47.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-001919 02:13:48.600 --> 02:13:58.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: your honor, yun pong 19 billion that was mentioned by the good congressman intended, congresswoman for flood control under the DPWH budget ay h2r5-turn-001920 02:13:58.300 --> 02:14:01.200 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mga project loans, your honor. Specifically, h2r5-turn-001921 02:14:02.340 --> 02:14:09.420 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: secured for the purpose na nakalagay po sa ating national expenditure program. So consistent po dun sa nature ng project loan, h2r5-turn-001922 02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:19.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi po natin maaaring gamitin yung loan for any other purpose than what is intended po dun sa ating, pinirmahan sa ating development partner. h2r5-turn-001923 02:14:20.920 --> 02:14:21.520 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes. h2r5-turn-001924 02:14:21.920 --> 02:14:25.600 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Bukod sa budget cut, Mr. Chair, nandyan din halimbawa yung h2r5-turn-001925 02:14:25.600 --> 02:14:30.660 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: masyado po natin minamaliit yung bilang ng mga may hirap sa ating bansa. h2r5-turn-001926 02:14:30.980 --> 02:14:37.200 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Dito po sa kanilang, report na na-lift na daw po yung 8.8 million Filipinos na h2r5-turn-001927 02:14:37.200 --> 02:14:38.740 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mas h2r5-turn-001928 02:14:38.740 --> 02:14:40.260 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: maangat ang buhay. Ang h2r5-turn-001929 02:14:40.260 --> 02:14:45.900 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: basis po ng kanilang poverty threshold ay nasa 2017 pa rin po na value. Tama po ba? h2r5-turn-001930 02:14:46.000 --> 02:14:48.200 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa DepDep po at saka sa PSA. h2r5-turn-001931 02:14:49.340 --> 02:14:55.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ito po ay nakabatay pa rin dun sa food poverty threshold na nasa 63 pesos o nasa 21 h2r5-turn-001932 02:14:56.700 --> 02:14:57.260 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: pesos h2r5-turn-001933 02:14:57.260 --> 02:14:57.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: per day. h2r5-turn-001934 02:14:58.060 --> 02:14:59.700 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair, the h2r5-turn-001935 02:15:00.500 --> 02:15:01.560 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: whenever we, h2r5-turn-001936 02:15:02.340 --> 02:15:06.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we compute the new poverty, we h2r5-turn-001937 02:15:06.240 --> 02:15:08.940 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also adjust the threshold h2r5-turn-001938 02:15:08.940 --> 02:15:10.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for the h2r5-turn-001939 02:15:10.400 --> 02:15:12.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: purchasing power, that is inflation. h2r5-turn-001940 02:15:12.880 --> 02:15:13.180 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So... h2r5-turn-001941 02:15:13.180 --> 02:15:16.060 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Magkano na ho ngayon, Mr. Chair, ang ating h2r5-turn-001942 02:15:16.060 --> 02:15:19.120 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: current na poverty threshold at food poverty threshold? h2r5-turn-001943 02:15:23.060 --> 02:15:24.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Sa NCR, h2r5-turn-001944 02:15:26.040 --> 02:15:30.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: it's now 16,842 for h2r5-turn-001945 02:15:30.540 --> 02:15:31.580 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a family of five. h2r5-turn-001946 02:15:32.340 --> 02:15:32.600 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ah, h2r5-turn-001947 02:15:34.160 --> 02:15:35.020 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-001948 02:15:37.000 --> 02:15:38.580 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair, sa labas ng NCR? h2r5-turn-001949 02:15:39.480 --> 02:15:43.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For the rest of the country, our national average is 14 h2r5-turn-001950 02:15:43.660 --> 02:15:46.120 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: ,634 pesos. h2r5-turn-001951 02:15:47.120 --> 02:15:48.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: And the food poverty threshold is about what h2r5-turn-001952 02:15:48.940 --> 02:15:49.500 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: percentage? h2r5-turn-001953 02:15:49.660 --> 02:15:50.374 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For a h2r5-turn-001954 02:15:50.374 --> 02:15:52.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: family of five members also. Okay. h2r5-turn-001955 02:15:52.700 --> 02:15:53.320 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Per month. h2r5-turn-001956 02:15:53.580 --> 02:15:55.500 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: So, magkano ho ito kada araw? h2r5-turn-001957 02:15:55.800 --> 02:15:57.700 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Per meal sa ating mga kababayan? h2r5-turn-001958 02:15:57.820 --> 02:16:01.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yung matutugunan yung kanilang mga basic nutritional requirements? h2r5-turn-001959 02:16:02.000 --> 02:16:02.520 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: ... h2r5-turn-001960 02:16:04.960 --> 02:16:09.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For NCR, it's 554 per day. h2r5-turn-001961 02:16:10.720 --> 02:16:10.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: ... h2r5-turn-001962 02:16:10.890 --> 02:16:11.230 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But h2r5-turn-001963 02:16:11.230 --> 02:16:11.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: let me h2r5-turn-001964 02:16:11.400 --> 02:16:13.640 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: stress again, h2r5-turn-001965 02:16:14.680 --> 02:16:15.360 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. h2r5-turn-001966 02:16:16.160 --> 02:16:20.020 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, because this has been pointed out so many times, that h2r5-turn-001967 02:16:20.020 --> 02:16:21.860 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the intention of this h2r5-turn-001968 02:16:23.940 --> 02:16:26.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: poverty line was h2r5-turn-001969 02:16:26.400 --> 02:16:29.940 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to monitor the progress we are making in h2r5-turn-001970 02:16:29.940 --> 02:16:33.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reducing poverty from year to year, even h2r5-turn-001971 02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:35.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as we adjust the norm for h2r5-turn-001972 02:16:36.260 --> 02:16:36.600 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: inflation. h2r5-turn-001973 02:16:37.980 --> 02:16:40.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: That's the only purpose. So that we can, h2r5-turn-001974 02:16:41.320 --> 02:16:43.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we'll be able to say whether h2r5-turn-001975 02:16:44.380 --> 02:16:53.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we are making progress in reducing poverty, whether our programs and projects and policies are able to reduce poverty. h2r5-turn-001976 02:16:54.000 --> 02:16:54.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Union, h2r5-turn-001977 02:16:54.860 --> 02:16:56.220 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and incidentally, h2r5-turn-001978 02:16:57.200 --> 02:16:59.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair, the the the h2r5-turn-001979 02:16:59.500 --> 02:17:01.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: norm, h2r5-turn-001980 02:17:02.500 --> 02:17:07.820 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: regardless of, actually, if you can adapt a higher norm, if that's the point, h2r5-turn-001981 02:17:08.020 --> 02:17:09.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you can adapt a higher norm, h2r5-turn-001982 02:17:10.120 --> 02:17:11.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: higher poverty threshold, h2r5-turn-001983 02:17:12.620 --> 02:17:13.720 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: or even lower. h2r5-turn-001984 02:17:14.500 --> 02:17:16.060 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But if you apply that h2r5-turn-001985 02:17:16.820 --> 02:17:17.320 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: consistently h2r5-turn-001986 02:17:18.440 --> 02:17:21.820 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: over time, and here we are talking about h2r5-turn-001987 02:17:22.700 --> 02:17:25.300 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the time from 2021 to h2r5-turn-001988 02:17:26.640 --> 02:17:27.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 2025, h2r5-turn-001989 02:17:28.820 --> 02:17:30.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: all these thresholds h2r5-turn-001990 02:17:30.400 --> 02:17:34.360 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: would lead, would show a decrease in in h2r5-turn-001991 02:17:34.360 --> 02:17:35.380 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: poverty. h2r5-turn-001992 02:17:35.940 --> 02:17:40.040 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that's the whole exercise. It's not so much to say h2r5-turn-001993 02:17:40.580 --> 02:17:42.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that a h2r5-turn-001994 02:17:42.340 --> 02:17:47.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: threshold like 554 is enough to h2r5-turn-001995 02:17:48.600 --> 02:17:49.320 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: meet h2r5-turn-001996 02:17:49.320 --> 02:17:51.740 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a a decent h2r5-turn-001997 02:17:52.600 --> 02:17:52.960 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: living. h2r5-turn-001998 02:17:54.620 --> 02:18:01.200 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Mr. Chair, just to clarify, 554, sana hindi na po mabawas sa time ko, 554 is for a family of five na h2r5-turn-001999 02:18:01.200 --> 02:18:02.780 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ginagamit po natin sa datos na ito. h2r5-turn-002000 02:18:03.360 --> 02:18:05.093 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For a family of five. h2r5-turn-002001 02:18:05.093 --> 02:18:07.340 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: OK, maraming salamat Mr. Chair. Ngayon po h2r5-turn-002002 02:18:07.340 --> 02:18:15.780 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakasaad ho dun sa report ng DepDev din na isa sa ating long-term measures ay pag-posisyon sa Pilipinas bilang AI manufacturing hub. h2r5-turn-002003 02:18:16.180 --> 02:18:20.800 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa plano na ito, kasama po ba ang US-led Pax Silica initiative? h2r5-turn-002004 02:18:23.150 --> 02:18:27.150 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At dito, Mr. Chair, matanong na rin ho natin ang DOF at ibang h2r5-turn-002005 02:18:27.990 --> 02:18:31.530 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: agencies kung magkano ang gagastusin natin sa h2r5-turn-002006 02:18:31.530 --> 02:18:34.330 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: plano na may kinalaman dito sa ngayon. h2r5-turn-002007 02:18:35.850 --> 02:18:40.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Itong, again, to put this in context, Mr. Chair, I h2r5-turn-002008 02:18:40.270 --> 02:18:42.510 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: said this morning that we need to h2r5-turn-002009 02:18:42.510 --> 02:18:46.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mobilize other drivers of growth, particularly out h2r5-turn-002010 02:18:46.970 --> 02:18:47.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of h2r5-turn-002011 02:18:47.870 --> 02:18:52.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to complement services. And here, I stress h2r5-turn-002012 02:18:52.410 --> 02:18:54.590 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: industry, industry h2r5-turn-002013 02:18:54.590 --> 02:18:56.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and revitalizing agriculture. h2r5-turn-002014 02:18:57.990 --> 02:18:58.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Now, h2r5-turn-002015 02:18:59.810 --> 02:19:06.330 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if Pax Silica is intended to do that, or could help achieve that, then that's good. h2r5-turn-002016 02:19:06.670 --> 02:19:08.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And so far as we know, h2r5-turn-002017 02:19:08.450 --> 02:19:10.690 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and by the way, this h2r5-turn-002018 02:19:12.170 --> 02:19:17.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: initiative is a very young one. It became only h2r5-turn-002019 02:19:18.250 --> 02:19:22.230 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: known to us, I think we just joined last December. h2r5-turn-002020 02:19:24.390 --> 02:19:26.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, it is a h2r5-turn-002021 02:19:27.990 --> 02:19:28.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: concept in, h2r5-turn-002022 02:19:29.570 --> 02:19:31.010 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that's evolving. h2r5-turn-002023 02:19:31.570 --> 02:19:38.690 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And the representation of the relevant agencies to us is that h2r5-turn-002024 02:19:40.750 --> 02:19:44.370 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the intention is to attract h2r5-turn-002025 02:19:46.030 --> 02:19:49.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: industries that deliver higher value to our h2r5-turn-002026 02:19:49.950 --> 02:19:54.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: goods and services, particularly for h2r5-turn-002027 02:19:55.710 --> 02:19:59.110 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: advanced technologies like conductors and electronics. h2r5-turn-002028 02:20:00.090 --> 02:20:00.630 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And h2r5-turn-002029 02:20:00.630 --> 02:20:08.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that is very consistent with what I was saying earlier, that we need to attract industries that bring h2r5-turn-002030 02:20:08.910 --> 02:20:11.110 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the quality of jobs higher. h2r5-turn-002031 02:20:11.590 --> 02:20:15.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Because that, in the longer term, is the only one, is the h2r5-turn-002032 02:20:15.900 --> 02:20:19.050 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: single most effective way of raising living h2r5-turn-002033 02:20:19.050 --> 02:20:20.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: standards, especially for our workers. h2r5-turn-002034 02:20:23.240 --> 02:20:31.080 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Mr. Chair. Ah, hindi pa po nasagot po yung tanong ko. Sana hindi po mabawa sa oras. Nagtanong po ako kung meron pong budget requirement for this year. h2r5-turn-002035 02:20:32.940 --> 02:20:35.560 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa po, nababanggit niyo po sa mga pahayag. h2r5-turn-002036 02:20:36.200 --> 02:20:39.480 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa ang BCDA ay h2r5-turn-002037 02:20:40.280 --> 02:20:47.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: merong, kumbaga, role pagdating po sa pagtitiyak ng property na gagamitin for this initiative. h2r5-turn-002038 02:20:47.500 --> 02:20:48.360 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Can we ask DBM? h2r5-turn-002039 02:20:50.380 --> 02:20:51.180 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002040 02:20:51.560 --> 02:20:52.340 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Can I take the question? h2r5-turn-002041 02:20:52.460 --> 02:20:52.860 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay. h2r5-turn-002042 02:20:53.260 --> 02:20:55.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes. Please go ahead, h2r5-turn-002043 02:20:55.500 --> 02:20:55.900 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: SecDec. h2r5-turn-002044 02:20:55.960 --> 02:20:56.100 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yeah. h2r5-turn-002045 02:20:56.220 --> 02:20:59.220 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think I think h2r5-turn-002046 02:20:59.220 --> 02:21:02.300 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: there's to be to clarify, h2r5-turn-002047 02:21:04.060 --> 02:21:09.040 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: if indeed an industrial hub will be built in New Clark City, h2r5-turn-002048 02:21:09.760 --> 02:21:12.980 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: there is no budget requirement from us. They will pay us rent. h2r5-turn-002049 02:21:13.400 --> 02:21:16.180 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it is a revenue enhancing project. h2r5-turn-002050 02:21:16.720 --> 02:21:18.500 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I I'm h2r5-turn-002051 02:21:18.500 --> 02:21:20.760 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: not aware of any budget h2r5-turn-002052 02:21:21.500 --> 02:21:23.680 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: requirement that it might entail. h2r5-turn-002053 02:21:24.780 --> 02:21:32.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair, ang BCDA ho ang magiging property manager nito. As you said, multiple times. So as the property manager, of course, it would also entail h2r5-turn-002054 02:21:32.940 --> 02:21:34.900 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: personnel and other, h2r5-turn-002055 02:21:37.380 --> 02:21:40.440 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: meron din pong mga kaugnay na conversion, halimbawa, h2r5-turn-002056 02:21:40.520 --> 02:21:43.700 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng lands na gagamitin for this particular use. h2r5-turn-002057 02:21:44.900 --> 02:21:48.060 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, I think in a normal business condition, h2r5-turn-002058 02:21:49.040 --> 02:21:53.100 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: you should not be spending more than you earn, right? So I think I h2r5-turn-002059 02:21:53.100 --> 02:21:56.420 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think definitely the revenue should far outweigh h2r5-turn-002060 02:21:57.160 --> 02:22:01.200 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: any project management expense, like in any other real estate venture. h2r5-turn-002061 02:22:02.680 --> 02:22:05.906 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes. So sa ngayon, wala pong masasagot pa sa atin dito. Thank you. h2r5-turn-002062 02:22:05.906 --> 02:22:08.240 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Last question na po, Congresswoman Sara. h2r5-turn-002063 02:22:08.520 --> 02:22:10.240 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair, how about sa DICT? h2r5-turn-002064 02:22:10.380 --> 02:22:17.820 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa DICT, kasi hindi po nasasagot talaga yung tanong. Sinasabi din na pwede yung revenues can far outweigh kung ano man po na h2r5-turn-002065 02:22:18.220 --> 02:22:26.060 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ma-offset man kung ano yung mga particular budget requirements, kung meron man na ilalabas. Pero gusto po natin mahinag na tayo. At h2r5-turn-002066 02:22:26.420 --> 02:22:29.960 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: dadalhin po natin yung discussion sa BCDA once they're here. h2r5-turn-002067 02:22:30.400 --> 02:22:31.240 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mainam po. h2r5-turn-002068 02:22:31.620 --> 02:22:38.460 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pati po sa DICT, may nakita po kaming malaking jump sa kanilang digital infrastructure development and management. h2r5-turn-002069 02:22:39.460 --> 02:22:40.140 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yung h2r5-turn-002070 02:22:40.140 --> 02:22:44.980 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: pondo nila from 502 million last year to 1.3 trillion pesos next year. h2r5-turn-002071 02:22:45.720 --> 02:22:50.760 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Meron po bang kinalaman itong development ng AI manufacturing hub? h2r5-turn-002072 02:22:53.120 --> 02:22:55.420 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakalagak po ang pondo sa DICT o wala? h2r5-turn-002073 02:22:56.420 --> 02:23:00.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Congresswoman Sara. That will be the last question. Sec Dec, please reply. h2r5-turn-002074 02:23:00.420 --> 02:23:03.380 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: To my knowledge, nothing. But you should confirm with DICT po. h2r5-turn-002075 02:23:03.560 --> 02:23:07.180 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But I don't think... Ma'am, can I just clarify? This h2r5-turn-002076 02:23:07.180 --> 02:23:16.300 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: industrial hub is a proposed industrial hub. So, one thing's for sure. There's nothing in the budget that h2r5-turn-002077 02:23:16.300 --> 02:23:20.720 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: will spend for this proposed industrial hub because nothing has been signed po. h2r5-turn-002078 02:23:22.280 --> 02:23:23.880 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, it's still a h2r5-turn-002079 02:23:25.080 --> 02:23:25.620 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: discussion. h2r5-turn-002080 02:23:26.300 --> 02:23:32.660 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, I'm pretty sure the DBM will not put any budget line item, expense line item for a h2r5-turn-002081 02:23:33.630 --> 02:23:33.900 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for h2r5-turn-002082 02:23:33.900 --> 02:23:37.200 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: a something that is in very preliminary h2r5-turn-002083 02:23:37.670 --> 02:23:37.940 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: discussion. h2r5-turn-002084 02:23:39.630 --> 02:23:40.120 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. h2r5-turn-002085 02:23:40.480 --> 02:23:41.200 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. h2r5-turn-002086 02:23:41.600 --> 02:23:43.060 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Isa na lang kasi wala pa daw po h2r5-turn-002087 02:23:44.080 --> 02:23:44.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: napirmahan. h2r5-turn-002088 02:23:46.160 --> 02:23:47.410 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Very briefly, please. h2r5-turn-002088-split-2 02:23:47.410 --> 02:23:48.660 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002089 02:23:49.060 --> 02:23:56.160 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ah na-raise ko itong concern na ito kasi nagpapakita siguro ng urgency at necessity na pagtalakay din sa mga resolusyon na h2r5-turn-002090 02:23:56.160 --> 02:24:06.160 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kaugnay sa mga commitment ng Pilipinas sa Pax Silica initiative. At may sa... Last, Mr. Chair, may sasabihin daw po yung DBM. Baka pwede po natin pakinggan tungkol sa matter na ito. h2r5-turn-002091 02:24:06.240 --> 02:24:11.170 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Just go ahead. h2r5-turn-002091-split-2 02:24:11.170 --> 02:24:16.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, just wanted... Just wanted to confirm na wala pong any allocation in the NEP intended for Pax Silica. The amounts mentioned by the good Congresswoman under DICT is h2r5-turn-002092 02:24:16.100 --> 02:24:22.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: intended for the implementation of a new mandate under a law enacted by Congress which is the E-Government Law, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002093 02:24:23.300 --> 02:24:23.600 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay. h2r5-turn-002094 02:24:23.880 --> 02:24:24.140 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. h2r5-turn-002095 02:24:25.600 --> 02:24:27.200 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat, Congresswoman Sara. h2r5-turn-002096 02:24:27.820 --> 02:24:31.460 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Sec. Kim and Sec. Dec. h2r5-turn-002097 02:24:32.180 --> 02:24:33.880 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now move to the next h2r5-turn-002098 02:24:37.200 --> 02:24:40.960 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: colleague that will ask questions just in time. h2r5-turn-002099 02:24:41.620 --> 02:24:46.540 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Nandito po si... May we call on Congresswoman... Ah, Congressman Rufus Rodriguez. h2r5-turn-002100 02:24:47.180 --> 02:24:48.100 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Thank you, h2r5-turn-002101 02:24:48.100 --> 02:24:48.460 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mr. h2r5-turn-002102 02:24:48.760 --> 02:24:49.140 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Chairman. h2r5-turn-002103 02:24:50.660 --> 02:24:55.580 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Distinguished colleagues and our resource persons for today, the h2r5-turn-002104 02:24:55.580 --> 02:24:58.360 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: members of the Development Budget h2r5-turn-002105 02:24:58.360 --> 02:25:01.040 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Coordinating Committee. We h2r5-turn-002106 02:25:01.040 --> 02:25:02.000 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: should now change that. h2r5-turn-002107 02:25:02.360 --> 02:25:04.560 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: The development is h2r5-turn-002108 02:25:04.560 --> 02:25:08.740 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: not needed. Surplus age. We always work for the development of the country for h2r5-turn-002109 02:25:08.740 --> 02:25:09.160 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the budget. h2r5-turn-002110 02:25:09.340 --> 02:25:10.740 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We should now rename it h2r5-turn-002111 02:25:10.740 --> 02:25:12.580 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: as National Budget h2r5-turn-002112 02:25:12.580 --> 02:25:14.720 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Coordinating Committee. h2r5-turn-002113 02:25:14.920 --> 02:25:15.140 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Correct? h2r5-turn-002114 02:25:16.100 --> 02:25:16.407 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Don't h2r5-turn-002115 02:25:16.407 --> 02:25:17.020 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you agree? h2r5-turn-002116 02:25:18.480 --> 02:25:20.580 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Because the development budget, h2r5-turn-002117 02:25:20.740 --> 02:25:22.120 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: this is awful development. h2r5-turn-002118 02:25:22.640 --> 02:25:24.560 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Did you agree, Sec. Go? h2r5-turn-002119 02:25:25.160 --> 02:25:37.900 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yeah. I'm sorry. But tagal na ako dito eh. Six terms na. Puro development budget. There's you know, surplus age because we're all working, especially the budget, for the development of our beloved country. Correct, Mr. Chairman? h2r5-turn-002120 02:25:39.140 --> 02:25:41.295 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: You're absolutely correct, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002120-split-2 02:25:41.295 --> 02:25:41.888 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Thank you. So h2r5-turn-002121 02:25:41.888 --> 02:25:45.980 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: in the next hearing next year, we should call it the National h2r5-turn-002122 02:25:48.060 --> 02:25:49.740 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Budget Coordinating Committee. h2r5-turn-002123 02:25:50.200 --> 02:25:50.680 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Okay. h2r5-turn-002124 02:25:50.980 --> 02:25:54.000 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Now, I hope that will not be taken against my time. h2r5-turn-002125 02:25:54.440 --> 02:25:55.040 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Second h2r5-turn-002126 02:25:55.040 --> 02:25:57.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the motion, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002127 02:25:57.560 --> 02:26:00.320 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sec. Balisacan, Dep Dev, good afternoon. h2r5-turn-002128 02:26:00.700 --> 02:26:02.600 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sec. Kim De Leon, DBM, h2r5-turn-002129 02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:16.840 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sec. Frederick Go of Department of Finance, our outstanding Europe Customs Commissioner, Ariel Fernandez, and this very good gentleman who is now the man of the hour because h2r5-turn-002130 02:26:16.840 --> 02:26:20.140 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: of the income tax return, h2r5-turn-002131 02:26:20.810 --> 02:26:34.320 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Commissioner Mendoza, lawyer, a great lawyer, and of course, Yusec Adriano, always, you know, very outstanding in our hearings, especially because he always wants to increase very exorbitant h2r5-turn-002132 02:26:34.890 --> 02:26:35.260 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: taxes. h2r5-turn-002133 02:26:36.120 --> 02:26:44.080 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: But anyway, and then of course, Deputy Governor Zeno Abinoha, and all our resource persons. h2r5-turn-002134 02:26:44.720 --> 02:26:48.820 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: My answer, my question is pertaining to page 12. h2r5-turn-002135 02:26:49.600 --> 02:26:50.160 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Of h2r5-turn-002136 02:26:50.160 --> 02:26:53.600 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the National Expenditure Program, page 12, if you can look at it, h2r5-turn-002137 02:26:55.490 --> 02:27:02.110 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: fiscal year 2027 proposed budget by region. I represent h2r5-turn-002138 02:27:02.110 --> 02:27:06.030 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Cagayan de Oro, the city of golden friendship in h2r5-turn-002139 02:27:06.030 --> 02:27:07.170 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao, the h2r5-turn-002140 02:27:07.170 --> 02:27:07.970 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: land of h2r5-turn-002141 02:27:08.690 --> 02:27:10.970 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: is being fulfilled already, the promise. h2r5-turn-002142 02:27:11.430 --> 02:27:14.510 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: But this will show that it is still a land of promise. h2r5-turn-002143 02:27:15.410 --> 02:27:17.730 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mr. Chairman, you know why? Let h2r5-turn-002144 02:27:17.730 --> 02:27:18.450 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: us take a look. h2r5-turn-002145 02:27:20.280 --> 02:27:22.700 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We have the budget per region, h2r5-turn-002146 02:27:23.920 --> 02:27:25.100 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: and the share. h2r5-turn-002147 02:27:25.940 --> 02:27:27.740 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: NCR, which h2r5-turn-002148 02:27:27.740 --> 02:27:28.720 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: is very much developed, h2r5-turn-002149 02:27:29.160 --> 02:27:31.960 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: receives 15.4 percent of h2r5-turn-002150 02:27:31.960 --> 02:27:32.380 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the pie, h2r5-turn-002151 02:27:32.620 --> 02:27:34.040 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the 7.2. h2r5-turn-002152 02:27:34.480 --> 02:27:36.500 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Balance rubles on the more, h2r5-turn-002153 02:27:36.700 --> 02:27:38.220 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 23 percent. h2r5-turn-002154 02:27:38.940 --> 02:27:42.560 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao, Mr. Chairman, is only 15.1 percent. h2r5-turn-002155 02:27:43.040 --> 02:27:50.520 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And you see, Mindanao has a population of 27 million, or 22.3 percent of h2r5-turn-002156 02:27:50.520 --> 02:27:53.280 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: our population of the Republic of the Philippines. h2r5-turn-002157 02:27:53.960 --> 02:27:54.680 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And h2r5-turn-002158 02:27:55.980 --> 02:28:02.140 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao, through our pineapples, coconut, corn, and all the products, even mining, h2r5-turn-002159 02:28:02.360 --> 02:28:07.820 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: gives 18 to 19 percent of the gross national product, 18 to 19. h2r5-turn-002160 02:28:08.580 --> 02:28:09.300 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Population, h2r5-turn-002161 02:28:10.060 --> 02:28:11.860 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 22.3 percent. h2r5-turn-002162 02:28:12.340 --> 02:28:13.740 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And the recent h2r5-turn-002163 02:28:13.740 --> 02:28:16.980 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Philippine Statistics Authority, Mr. Chairman, h2r5-turn-002164 02:28:17.180 --> 02:28:20.980 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: on the 10 poorest provinces of the country, h2r5-turn-002165 02:28:22.260 --> 02:28:28.020 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: list Mindanao 7 out of 10. Very poor. The first 6 h2r5-turn-002166 02:28:28.020 --> 02:28:30.280 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao provinces. h2r5-turn-002167 02:28:31.220 --> 02:28:32.660 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, Mr. Chairman, h2r5-turn-002168 02:28:33.400 --> 02:28:35.040 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: I'm just going to ask, h2r5-turn-002169 02:28:35.260 --> 02:28:40.920 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: there is still a chance, I don't know how we are going to address the issue, and h2r5-turn-002170 02:28:40.920 --> 02:28:44.560 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: who will answer this question. I think we could ask each one. h2r5-turn-002171 02:28:44.680 --> 02:28:47.280 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Because the four of the National h2r5-turn-002172 02:28:47.780 --> 02:28:49.120 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Budget Coordinating Council h2r5-turn-002173 02:28:49.780 --> 02:28:52.680 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Committee, because if you will look here, you know, h2r5-turn-002174 02:28:52.740 --> 02:28:54.080 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 15.1. h2r5-turn-002175 02:28:54.340 --> 02:28:57.680 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Malayo sa GDP contribution ng 18 percent. h2r5-turn-002176 02:28:58.180 --> 02:29:02.680 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Malayo sa population ng 22.3. Malayo, Mr. Chairman. h2r5-turn-002177 02:29:02.940 --> 02:29:04.360 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: sa poorest h2r5-turn-002178 02:29:04.360 --> 02:29:11.040 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: poorest provinces of the Philippines, there has to be affirmative action for Mindanao. I appeal, therefore, to h2r5-turn-002179 02:29:11.040 --> 02:29:14.900 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: this National Budget Coordinating Committee to h2r5-turn-002180 02:29:14.900 --> 02:29:20.000 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: take a look again on how we are able to improve the h2r5-turn-002181 02:29:20.000 --> 02:29:22.180 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 15 percent Four h2r5-turn-002182 02:29:22.180 --> 02:29:23.860 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: of years Mindanao. ago, Four years 16 ago, percent na. h2r5-turn-002183 02:29:24.740 --> 02:29:33.140 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Panahon ni President President GMA, like nag 17 percent na, because the biggest budget for infrastructure under GMA was Mindanao. h2r5-turn-002184 02:29:33.500 --> 02:29:43.600 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: That's why medyo na, simento na doon, malaking development. So now, I'd like to ask, starting from our gentleman, from of course, the DepDev, h2r5-turn-002185 02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:52.860 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: please Please tell us, why only 15.1? And the figures show the contribution of the people of Mindanao to h2r5-turn-002186 02:29:52.860 --> 02:29:53.640 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: our country. h2r5-turn-002187 02:29:54.360 --> 02:29:55.520 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. h2r5-turn-002188 02:29:57.240 --> 02:30:03.000 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong. Rufus. May we request Sec. Kim to h2r5-turn-002189 02:30:03.000 --> 02:30:03.560 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: to answer? h2r5-turn-002190 02:30:05.410 --> 02:30:12.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your Honor, while we took took note of the observation of the good h2r5-turn-002191 02:30:12.290 --> 02:30:12.910 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: good congressman, h2r5-turn-002192 02:30:13.010 --> 02:30:17.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we would like to submit that, number one, we continue h2r5-turn-002193 02:30:17.110 --> 02:30:22.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to work on improving the regional allocation of the budget by, one, working with DepDev, on h2r5-turn-002194 02:30:22.690 --> 02:30:24.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: putting premium on the h2r5-turn-002195 02:30:24.270 --> 02:30:32.610 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: projects endorsed by the regional development councils, improving the linkage between budgeting and planning, Two, as we have discussed a while ago. h2r5-turn-002196 02:30:32.970 --> 02:30:38.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Second, we are actually discussing right now, your Honor, because one factor is still the presence of non h2r5-turn-002197 02:30:38.950 --> 02:30:43.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -regionalized budget items. So this means these are probably items h2r5-turn-002198 02:30:43.190 --> 02:30:46.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lodged within the respective central offices or h2r5-turn-002199 02:30:46.290 --> 02:30:58.970 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: probably lump sum funds, some of which might be intended really for areas like Visayas and Mindanao, which cannot be attributed during the preparation of So the NEP. So that's also something that h2r5-turn-002200 02:30:58.970 --> 02:31:02.390 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we can look at. to improve as well the allocation for Mindanao. h2r5-turn-002201 02:31:03.210 --> 02:31:08.570 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But we would just like to manifest and add, because the slide we presented this morning did h2r5-turn-002202 02:31:08.570 --> 02:31:11.130 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: not include a comparative from last year. h2r5-turn-002203 02:31:11.330 --> 02:31:13.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As a matter of fact, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-002204 02:31:14.190 --> 02:31:17.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: outside NCR, the average increase h2r5-turn-002205 02:31:17.070 --> 02:31:23.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: from 2026 to 2027 is actually the highest average h2r5-turn-002206 02:31:23.190 --> 02:31:24.130 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in Mindanao. h2r5-turn-002207 02:31:24.270 --> 02:31:33.030 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So we actually saw a... Particularly, for instance, to the good representatives, our region actually h2r5-turn-002208 02:31:33.030 --> 02:31:36.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: had an increase of 10.6 as h2r5-turn-002209 02:31:36.630 --> 02:31:44.650 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: compared to the 2026 level. But this is a work in progress, Your Honor. We will continue to make the necessary evaluation h2r5-turn-002210 02:31:44.650 --> 02:31:49.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of how budgets can be more presented accurately in terms of their h2r5-turn-002211 02:31:49.070 --> 02:31:53.470 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: intended regional beneficiaries. Because as I have said a while ago, h2r5-turn-002212 02:31:53.670 --> 02:31:58.570 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there are still centrally managed items. Or those lodged within the respective central h2r5-turn-002213 02:31:58.570 --> 02:32:01.890 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: offices, which may be actually intended to be distributed h2r5-turn-002214 02:32:01.890 --> 02:32:05.510 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: across the regions during implementation, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002215 02:32:05.770 --> 02:32:08.890 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Three reasons given by the Honorable Kim de Leon, h2r5-turn-002216 02:32:09.070 --> 02:32:10.930 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: a very young DBM. h2r5-turn-002217 02:32:11.230 --> 02:32:15.810 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And so he wouldn't tell a lie because only us old people has h2r5-turn-002218 02:32:15.810 --> 02:32:18.390 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: been used to, you know, giving half-truths. h2r5-turn-002219 02:32:18.470 --> 02:32:19.110 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, h2r5-turn-002220 02:32:19.110 --> 02:32:21.650 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Secretary Kim, h2r5-turn-002221 02:32:21.830 --> 02:32:23.350 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you said that h2r5-turn-002222 02:32:23.350 --> 02:32:25.230 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you only depend on h2r5-turn-002223 02:32:25.230 --> 02:32:25.790 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the submission. h2r5-turn-002224 02:32:26.390 --> 02:32:28.510 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: From the RDC and the other h2r5-turn-002225 02:32:28.510 --> 02:32:29.530 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: agencies. h2r5-turn-002226 02:32:29.950 --> 02:32:31.450 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We should be proactive. h2r5-turn-002227 02:32:32.540 --> 02:32:36.030 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We should be... The DBM should go out of its way to h2r5-turn-002228 02:32:36.030 --> 02:32:44.450 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: be able to ask and to be able to secure documents from Mindanao. Malayo kasi kami. So, matagal dumating yung mga request dito. h2r5-turn-002229 02:32:44.970 --> 02:32:48.730 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: It's too expensive for Mindanao people to come here. That's number one, h2r5-turn-002230 02:32:48.750 --> 02:32:51.290 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: in answer to your, you know, comment. h2r5-turn-002231 02:32:51.980 --> 02:32:56.050 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: The second one is lamsam. Precisely, huwag na tayo maglalamsam. h2r5-turn-002232 02:32:56.390 --> 02:33:00.970 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Kasi alam mo, lamsam becomes the pork barrel of the secretaries. h2r5-turn-002233 02:33:02.460 --> 02:33:02.750 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yeah. h2r5-turn-002234 02:33:03.270 --> 02:33:06.430 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sinong malapit secretary of, hindi ko naman i-mention. h2r5-turn-002235 02:33:07.030 --> 02:33:13.710 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sinong malapit nun, yun makakuha na maraming share. All our cabinet members are from Luzon. h2r5-turn-002236 02:33:13.810 --> 02:33:14.390 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, h2r5-turn-002237 02:33:14.410 --> 02:33:16.810 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: walang chance kami sa Mindanao. h2r5-turn-002238 02:33:17.650 --> 02:33:19.090 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Oh, kaya na mo, h2r5-turn-002239 02:33:19.190 --> 02:33:20.130 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: don't look h2r5-turn-002240 02:33:20.130 --> 02:33:26.990 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: at the line agencies. So, yung lamsam, na-favor na naman ang mayayam. Naman ang mga h2r5-turn-002241 02:33:26.990 --> 02:33:29.090 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: probinsya sa Luzon. h2r5-turn-002242 02:33:29.710 --> 02:33:32.010 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: In fact, Visayas, you h2r5-turn-002243 02:33:32.010 --> 02:33:34.070 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: know, very pithy. You know, Visayas, only h2r5-turn-002244 02:33:34.070 --> 02:33:35.150 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 10%. h2r5-turn-002245 02:33:36.230 --> 02:33:38.310 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: But I will not complain on h2r5-turn-002246 02:33:38.310 --> 02:33:40.010 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: this because we have congressmen here. h2r5-turn-002247 02:33:40.450 --> 02:33:43.130 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: From the Visayas who should be able to complain. h2r5-turn-002248 02:33:43.630 --> 02:33:44.770 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mine is Mindanao. h2r5-turn-002249 02:33:44.910 --> 02:33:46.150 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, yung lamsam, h2r5-turn-002250 02:33:46.170 --> 02:33:49.470 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: DBM Secretary Kim, you're young, you're new. h2r5-turn-002251 02:33:49.830 --> 02:33:52.050 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, huwag na natin yung the old system. h2r5-turn-002252 02:33:53.070 --> 02:34:02.950 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Ibigyan natin affirmative action. You know what I say? Continue. Mindanao will continue to be poor. 7 out of 10 provinces. That next 3 are in the Visayas. h2r5-turn-002253 02:34:03.590 --> 02:34:05.150 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, yan ang request ko. h2r5-turn-002254 02:34:05.490 --> 02:34:12.570 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Okay. So, that is why these are in answer to your statements. But I like the word, work in progress. h2r5-turn-002255 02:34:13.690 --> 02:34:15.230 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Because there is a chance, h2r5-turn-002256 02:34:15.470 --> 02:34:17.990 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: before the HGAB, h2r5-turn-002257 02:34:18.150 --> 02:34:20.630 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the HGAB is approved that h2r5-turn-002258 02:34:20.630 --> 02:34:22.650 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you are going to increase this to h2r5-turn-002259 02:34:22.650 --> 02:34:23.410 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 20%. h2r5-turn-002260 02:34:24.510 --> 02:34:26.170 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: That is, we met. h2r5-turn-002261 02:34:26.390 --> 02:34:27.590 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: In, Mr. h2r5-turn-002262 02:34:27.690 --> 02:34:27.970 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Chairman. h2r5-turn-002263 02:34:28.370 --> 02:34:30.010 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We met. Yes, I h2r5-turn-002264 02:34:30.010 --> 02:34:30.670 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: will wind up. h2r5-turn-002265 02:34:31.230 --> 02:34:39.010 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We met at Usami City. All the 6 regional development councils from the BARM, h2r5-turn-002266 02:34:39.470 --> 02:34:41.570 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: from regions 9 to 13. h2r5-turn-002267 02:34:42.150 --> 02:34:42.790 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 6. h2r5-turn-002268 02:34:43.690 --> 02:34:52.550 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We passed a resolution. I don't know if the DBM got a copy of this because I'm going to ask Secretary Balisakan, you received that because that was the RDC. h2r5-turn-002269 02:34:53.470 --> 02:34:57.990 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: The 6 regions. Mindanao met the h2r5-turn-002270 02:34:57.990 --> 02:35:06.130 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: directors, the heads of the officers of the RDC. 6 of the regions, all represented there. h2r5-turn-002271 02:35:06.670 --> 02:35:08.030 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And what did we pass? h2r5-turn-002272 02:35:08.670 --> 02:35:11.510 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We passed a resolution requesting h2r5-turn-002273 02:35:11.510 --> 02:35:14.130 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the national government to h2r5-turn-002274 02:35:14.130 --> 02:35:15.730 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: at least give 20 h2r5-turn-002275 02:35:16.250 --> 02:35:16.730 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: man lang. h2r5-turn-002276 02:35:17.270 --> 02:35:18.470 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So that, you know, h2r5-turn-002277 02:35:18.630 --> 02:35:20.870 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao is part of the Philippines. Are we? h2r5-turn-002278 02:35:21.830 --> 02:35:37.270 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yeah, we're very much part of the Philippines. Pero over the years, yun lang ang magbigay sa amin. So we passed unanimously all the officers of the 6 RDCs. Secretary Balisakan, did you receive that? h2r5-turn-002279 02:35:37.990 --> 02:35:39.450 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: That we just asked. h2r5-turn-002279-split-2 02:35:39.450 --> 02:35:40.090 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That will h2r5-turn-002280 02:35:40.090 --> 02:35:42.910 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: be the last question. h2r5-turn-002281 02:35:43.010 --> 02:35:43.330 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: That will be second to the last question. Thank you. h2r5-turn-002282 02:35:44.230 --> 02:35:46.790 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Time is up na po. Pwede pa naman next round. h2r5-turn-002283 02:35:47.510 --> 02:35:52.010 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong. Rufus. Sec. Arsi, please reply. h2r5-turn-002284 02:35:52.010 --> 02:35:53.330 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yeah, did you receive our h2r5-turn-002285 02:35:53.330 --> 02:35:56.430 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Secretary of DepDev h2r5-turn-002286 02:35:56.790 --> 02:36:10.930 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: This resolution from six, all the regions of Mindanao, 9 to 13 plus BARMM, requesting na maski 20 man lang. Malayo pa rin yan sa 25 or one-third. h2r5-turn-002287 02:36:11.330 --> 02:36:20.410 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Three regions, Luzon, Visayas, Mindanao. Malayo pa rin. But we can start with 20%. Pero 15.1, masyadong maliit. Yes, Secretary Balisacan. h2r5-turn-002288 02:36:20.510 --> 02:36:25.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yes, Mr. Chair, we confirm that we received the resolution. h2r5-turn-002289 02:36:25.290 --> 02:36:30.550 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So we expected you to be fighting it at all for us. But if you will allow me, Mr. Chair, to put some... h2r5-turn-002289-split-2 02:36:30.550 --> 02:36:31.030 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please answer Sec. Arsi h2r5-turn-002290 02:36:31.410 --> 02:36:31.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Put h2r5-turn-002291 02:36:31.970 --> 02:36:33.390 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: context here. h2r5-turn-002291-split-2 02:36:33.390 --> 02:36:35.590 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think because it's a very important issue. h2r5-turn-002292 02:36:38.470 --> 02:36:43.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It goes back to the prioritization issue and the h2r5-turn-002293 02:36:43.350 --> 02:36:48.610 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: translation of regional priorities to actual h2r5-turn-002294 02:36:48.610 --> 02:36:50.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: priorities h2r5-turn-002295 02:36:50.170 --> 02:36:53.530 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as represented in the GAA. h2r5-turn-002296 02:36:54.390 --> 02:36:56.870 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Please note that... Earlier, h2r5-turn-002297 02:36:57.250 --> 02:37:01.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 50 of the RDC priorities are reflected in the NEP. h2r5-turn-002298 02:37:02.930 --> 02:37:05.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Alright, 50%. But h2r5-turn-002299 02:37:05.450 --> 02:37:08.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: when it comes out in the SGA, only h2r5-turn-002300 02:37:08.810 --> 02:37:11.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 30 to 35 of that now h2r5-turn-002301 02:37:11.410 --> 02:37:12.210 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is h2r5-turn-002302 02:37:12.210 --> 02:37:13.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: consistent with h2r5-turn-002303 02:37:13.130 --> 02:37:17.010 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: regional priorities. So I h2r5-turn-002304 02:37:17.010 --> 02:37:18.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: guess there's something... h2r5-turn-002305 02:37:18.190 --> 02:37:19.590 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's not just the executive, h2r5-turn-002306 02:37:19.770 --> 02:37:23.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Your h2r5-turn-002307 02:37:23.910 --> 02:37:28.830 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Honor. I think that... Internally also, we have to have h2r5-turn-002308 02:37:28.830 --> 02:37:34.290 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: better coordination between the executive and the legislative as well. h2r5-turn-002309 02:37:34.650 --> 02:37:38.810 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay, thank you for the reply, Sec. Arsi. h2r5-turn-002309-split-2 02:37:38.810 --> 02:37:40.830 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yes, I now request for h2r5-turn-002310 02:37:40.830 --> 02:37:41.930 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the next round. h2r5-turn-002311 02:37:42.150 --> 02:37:42.610 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes. h2r5-turn-002311-split-2 02:37:42.610 --> 02:37:43.250 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Thank h2r5-turn-002312 02:37:43.250 --> 02:37:44.110 Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you, Mr. Chairman. h2r5-turn-002313 02:37:44.490 --> 02:37:47.470 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay noted, Cong. Rufus. Maraming salamat po. h2r5-turn-002314 02:37:50.090 --> 02:37:52.870 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now go to the next colleague h2r5-turn-002315 02:37:52.870 --> 02:37:54.370 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: that will ask questions. h2r5-turn-002316 02:37:55.550 --> 02:37:56.730 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May we call on... h2r5-turn-002317 02:37:57.470 --> 02:37:57.610 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Rep. h2r5-turn-002318 02:37:58.170 --> 02:37:59.790 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sergio Dagooc. h2r5-turn-002319 02:38:00.090 --> 02:38:01.370 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sir, you have the floor. h2r5-turn-002320 02:38:02.150 --> 02:38:03.590 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002321 02:38:04.530 --> 02:38:06.410 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Magandang hapon po sa ating lahat. h2r5-turn-002322 02:38:08.050 --> 02:38:08.870 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Unang-una. h2r5-turn-002323 02:38:10.290 --> 02:38:15.530 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Gusto ko lang bigyan ng ibang kahulugan yung sabi ni DBM h2r5-turn-002324 02:38:15.530 --> 02:38:17.630 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Secretary kanina. Dapat ang budget h2r5-turn-002325 02:38:17.630 --> 02:38:19.030 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: makatao. h2r5-turn-002326 02:38:19.760 --> 02:38:21.150 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So may h2r5-turn-002327 02:38:21.150 --> 02:38:22.690 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: mga proposals po ako dito. h2r5-turn-002328 02:38:23.710 --> 02:38:24.290 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Dapat h2r5-turn-002329 02:38:24.290 --> 02:38:26.650 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kayong nagbabudget, hindi manhid. h2r5-turn-002330 02:38:27.570 --> 02:38:31.270 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung aim is hindi manhed. Kasi pang h2r5-turn-002331 02:38:31.270 --> 02:38:38.530 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: -pitong taon ko na dito, parang tinatapos lang natin yung hearing. After the hearing, walang nangyari doon sa mga proposals. h2r5-turn-002332 02:38:39.670 --> 02:38:40.310 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So h2r5-turn-002333 02:38:40.310 --> 02:38:42.770 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I would like to emphasize that h2r5-turn-002334 02:38:45.370 --> 02:38:49.590 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: baka pwedeng pagtuunan ninyo ng pansin sa DOF. h2r5-turn-002335 02:38:51.780 --> 02:38:54.320 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung mga proposals, h2r5-turn-002336 02:38:54.700 --> 02:39:03.560 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: lalong-lalo na kami sa Ways and Means, yung taxes yun. I am very appreciative of the presentation ni... h2r5-turn-002337 02:39:05.630 --> 02:39:07.210 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kanina tong presentation? h2r5-turn-002338 02:39:07.730 --> 02:39:08.610 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: DBM ba to? h2r5-turn-002339 02:39:11.930 --> 02:39:14.850 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Parang kay Secretary Arsi to. h2r5-turn-002340 02:39:15.650 --> 02:39:22.250 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: That you admit na yung high energy cost is one of the constraints sa h2r5-turn-002341 02:39:22.250 --> 02:39:23.290 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pag-unlad natin. h2r5-turn-002342 02:39:25.510 --> 02:39:27.030 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero inconsistently, h2r5-turn-002343 02:39:28.250 --> 02:39:31.970 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nilagay nyo sa long-term, yung solusyon. h2r5-turn-002344 02:39:33.640 --> 02:39:35.520 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: May I ask PSA? h2r5-turn-002345 02:39:37.540 --> 02:39:40.160 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: What percent yung h2r5-turn-002346 02:39:40.160 --> 02:39:42.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: cost of electricity sa production h2r5-turn-002347 02:39:42.840 --> 02:39:45.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: natin at saka sa household spending? h2r5-turn-002348 02:39:49.740 --> 02:39:51.420 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Production and h2r5-turn-002349 02:39:51.420 --> 02:39:52.240 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: services. h2r5-turn-002350 02:39:53.710 --> 02:39:56.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: What is the percentage cost of electricity? h2r5-turn-002351 02:39:57.040 --> 02:39:58.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please reply, Sec. Arsi. h2r5-turn-002352 02:39:59.060 --> 02:39:59.840 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: As h2r5-turn-002353 02:39:59.840 --> 02:40:01.280 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I noted earlier, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-002354 02:40:02.120 --> 02:40:05.220 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: electricity expenditure by households, h2r5-turn-002355 02:40:05.880 --> 02:40:10.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: represent about 5.3 percent of their total spending. h2r5-turn-002356 02:40:10.700 --> 02:40:12.140 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 3 to 5 percent? h2r5-turn-002357 02:40:12.220 --> 02:40:14.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 5.3 percent. h2r5-turn-002358 02:40:14.000 --> 02:40:14.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 5.3 percent. h2r5-turn-002359 02:40:14.960 --> 02:40:15.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: That's national average. h2r5-turn-002360 02:40:16.960 --> 02:40:20.940 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sa cost of products and services, anong h2r5-turn-002361 02:40:20.940 --> 02:40:21.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: percentage siya? h2r5-turn-002362 02:40:22.140 --> 02:40:27.200 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sa pag-produce ng products, what percentage is the cost component of electricity? h2r5-turn-002363 02:40:27.820 --> 02:40:31.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sa pagbigay ng serbisyo across h2r5-turn-002364 02:40:31.980 --> 02:40:35.080 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: all sectors, anong percent yung cost of electricity? h2r5-turn-002365 02:40:37.120 --> 02:40:43.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I don't have that data with me right now, Mr. Chair. But I could provide that. I think we could extract that from our h2r5-turn-002366 02:40:43.000 --> 02:40:44.600 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: database. h2r5-turn-002367 02:40:45.240 --> 02:40:47.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I hope, Mr. Chair, kung h2r5-turn-002368 02:40:47.780 --> 02:40:49.220 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ikaw ay doktor, h2r5-turn-002369 02:40:49.420 --> 02:40:52.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: dapat alam h2r5-turn-002370 02:40:52.780 --> 02:40:59.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: mo yung parameters na yun. Yun yung inaalboroto ko dito. I am very frustrated of my seven years. h2r5-turn-002371 02:40:59.700 --> 02:41:06.200 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Like that VAT on systems loss. 2019 ko pa fi-nile yan. Kung h2r5-turn-002372 02:41:06.200 --> 02:41:14.480 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: hindi binanggit ni Presidente, saka lang tayo nagkandara pa. Pero that is not all. Systems loss ay napakaliit. Ngayon sinabi dito ni h2r5-turn-002373 02:41:14.480 --> 02:41:17.460 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Secretary Arsi, h2r5-turn-002374 02:41:17.740 --> 02:41:21.420 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: isa sa mga problema niya is high cost of energy. h2r5-turn-002375 02:41:22.420 --> 02:41:30.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Driven by the list in implementing energy contracts, particularly renewable unlimited competition in the electricity market. h2r5-turn-002376 02:41:31.340 --> 02:41:35.400 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero pagdating dito sa solusyon, amendment of EPIRA, h2r5-turn-002377 02:41:35.600 --> 02:41:45.080 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: wala man lang kayong sinabi kung anong provision ng EPIRA ang i-amend. Can the Secretary inform h2r5-turn-002378 02:41:45.080 --> 02:41:53.260 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: this representation? Ano bang specific na provision ng EPIRA ang amyendahan natin to solve the problem that you have admitted? h2r5-turn-002379 02:41:54.620 --> 02:41:57.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think we have h2r5-turn-002380 02:41:57.340 --> 02:42:02.460 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a study on that, Mr. h2r5-turn-002381 02:42:02.580 --> 02:42:05.140 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. But one is about the h2r5-turn-002382 02:42:05.140 --> 02:42:07.740 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: strengthening, h2r5-turn-002383 02:42:08.020 --> 02:42:09.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the need to strengthen ERC. h2r5-turn-002384 02:42:10.260 --> 02:42:12.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The second is to h2r5-turn-002385 02:42:12.680 --> 02:42:14.920 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: strengthen h2r5-turn-002386 02:42:14.920 --> 02:42:17.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the coordination between the ERC h2r5-turn-002387 02:42:17.980 --> 02:42:27.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and the Philippine Competition Commission. So that it is more effective in going after market abuse or abuse of market power by h2r5-turn-002388 02:42:27.440 --> 02:42:33.860 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: any participant in the electricity market. We h2r5-turn-002389 02:42:33.860 --> 02:42:41.860 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: decided in the last congress, LEDAC decided in the last congress, Mr. Chair, if I may mention, h2r5-turn-002390 02:42:42.140 --> 02:42:46.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to approach the EPIRA amendments by h2r5-turn-002391 02:42:46.500 --> 02:42:52.800 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: segments. First, with respect to the h2r5-turn-002392 02:42:52.800 --> 02:42:57.020 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: PSALM, extending the life of PSALM. Second, h2r5-turn-002393 02:42:57.920 --> 02:42:58.360 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is h2r5-turn-002394 02:42:58.360 --> 02:43:01.800 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reforming the strengthening h2r5-turn-002395 02:43:01.800 --> 02:43:03.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: ERC. And h2r5-turn-002396 02:43:03.200 --> 02:43:06.900 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: third is the strengthening of the h2r5-turn-002397 02:43:06.900 --> 02:43:10.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: competition mandates of both ERC and h2r5-turn-002398 02:43:10.680 --> 02:43:12.460 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: PCC. h2r5-turn-002399 02:43:12.600 --> 02:43:16.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Because the sense then of the LEDAC members, h2r5-turn-002400 02:43:16.680 --> 02:43:17.780 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. h2r5-turn-002401 02:43:17.800 --> 02:43:18.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, is that h2r5-turn-002402 02:43:20.200 --> 02:43:26.220 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: EPIRA amendment is likely going to be quite complex h2r5-turn-002403 02:43:26.220 --> 02:43:28.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: because of the many issues involved. h2r5-turn-002404 02:43:28.560 --> 02:43:30.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And so they preferred h2r5-turn-002405 02:43:30.000 --> 02:43:33.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to... proceed sequentially. h2r5-turn-002406 02:43:35.240 --> 02:43:41.120 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you for the answer, Secretary. Yun bang sagot mo sa akin ay galing sa puso mo? h2r5-turn-002407 02:43:42.340 --> 02:43:44.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Of course. I h2r5-turn-002408 02:43:44.240 --> 02:43:44.920 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: was a... h2r5-turn-002409 02:43:45.540 --> 02:43:49.640 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Before I assumed this office, Mr. Chair, I was a chair h2r5-turn-002410 02:43:49.640 --> 02:43:52.380 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of the Philippine Competition Commission. And our h2r5-turn-002411 02:43:52.380 --> 02:43:56.960 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: office then undertook a study on the state of h2r5-turn-002412 02:43:56.960 --> 02:44:00.600 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: competition h2r5-turn-002413 02:44:00.600 --> 02:44:04.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: policy h2r5-turn-002414 02:44:04.000 --> 02:44:07.040 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in the country. And we believe that the h2r5-turn-002415 02:44:07.040 --> 02:44:11.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: high cost, part of the high cost of electricity, is due h2r5-turn-002416 02:44:11.500 --> 02:44:13.720 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to the structural issues in the industry. h2r5-turn-002417 02:44:14.060 --> 02:44:15.420 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: You're correct, Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-002418 02:44:16.180 --> 02:44:18.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So you recommend, sa LEDAC, h2r5-turn-002419 02:44:19.020 --> 02:44:22.080 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: amendment ng EPIRA, you should be specific. h2r5-turn-002420 02:44:22.520 --> 02:44:23.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Cross-ownership provision, h2r5-turn-002421 02:44:24.400 --> 02:44:26.560 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: section 43F, section h2r5-turn-002422 02:44:26.560 --> 02:44:28.920 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 47, and section 45. h2r5-turn-002423 02:44:29.280 --> 02:44:33.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Then yung open access. Kasi yan po yung laman ng h2r5-turn-002424 02:44:33.780 --> 02:44:35.360 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: mga sinasabi mo, which you failed h2r5-turn-002425 02:44:35.360 --> 02:44:36.200 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: to h2r5-turn-002426 02:44:36.200 --> 02:44:37.600 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: enumerate. Now, h2r5-turn-002427 02:44:37.680 --> 02:44:40.260 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: dito sa high h2r5-turn-002428 02:44:40.260 --> 02:44:41.000 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: energy cost, h2r5-turn-002429 02:44:41.280 --> 02:44:54.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I doubt kung hundred percent tama yung hinala ninyo na ang dahilan ay delay in the implementation of energy contracts, particularly your renewable. Sana, h2r5-turn-002430 02:44:54.940 --> 02:45:03.240 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Chair, ay ibawas mo to sa... Kasi this is supposed to be silang magsagot. Pero ano, h2r5-turn-002431 02:45:03.400 --> 02:45:07.560 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ako na lang ang magsagot. Parang point of information, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002432 02:45:08.780 --> 02:45:22.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi I have still at least three important issues na ang sagot sa ating budget nandito lang sa presentation ni Secretary Arsi kung isasa puso natin at dibdibin. h2r5-turn-002433 02:45:23.500 --> 02:45:37.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pag renewable kasi, Mr. Secretary, I am not against it. I am always supportive on it. Since the time Renewable Energy Act was enacted, hindi pa po ako kong member ng house. But the problem is, h2r5-turn-002434 02:45:38.200 --> 02:45:40.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kung lakihan h2r5-turn-002435 02:45:40.100 --> 02:45:40.920 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: mo kaagad h2r5-turn-002436 02:45:40.920 --> 02:45:42.160 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung h2r5-turn-002437 02:45:42.160 --> 02:45:54.060 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: portfolio ng renewable, you need to upgrade the line. Now, remember, ang objective natin is the lower... to lower the cost of electricity. h2r5-turn-002438 02:45:54.640 --> 02:46:02.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pag lakihan mo yung portfolio ng renewable, hindi mo magamit 24 hours, nilakihan mo ngayon yung transmission line, in-upgrade mo, h2r5-turn-002439 02:46:03.680 --> 02:46:05.320 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: babayaran natin lahat yung transmission. h2r5-turn-002440 02:46:06.800 --> 02:46:07.360 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Then, h2r5-turn-002441 02:46:07.360 --> 02:46:19.140 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: babayaran mo yung renewable na na-inject mo, na ginagamit mo lang ng ilang oras sa isang araw. Mag-kontrata ka na naman ngayon ng ancillary, backup na planta. Ilan na yung binabayaran mo? Tatlo na. h2r5-turn-002442 02:46:19.740 --> 02:46:23.600 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung renewable, yung ancillary, yung h2r5-turn-002443 02:46:23.600 --> 02:46:26.540 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: transmission. Kaya, you h2r5-turn-002444 02:46:26.540 --> 02:46:32.640 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: can revisit that. Maybe, mag-uusap kayo ni DOE na yung h2r5-turn-002445 02:46:32.640 --> 02:46:39.360 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: just transition, baka magiging unjust yan pag hindi sila makinig. h2r5-turn-002446 02:46:39.500 --> 02:46:46.820 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Now, finally, Mr. Chair, sana kunting ano na lang, kasi for me, this is very... Ito yung, h2r5-turn-002447 02:46:46.820 --> 02:46:51.200 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: paulit-ulit to, yung taxation natin sa electricity, h2r5-turn-002448 02:46:52.440 --> 02:47:07.940 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: that drives high electricity cost. Kasi, pag tumaas yung generation, dahil yung coal na inaangkat natin, ay may excise tax, may customs duties. Pagdating sa planta, paglabas niya, one kilowatt hour, generation, h2r5-turn-002449 02:47:08.500 --> 02:47:10.540 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 12. Dadaan sa transmission, h2r5-turn-002450 02:47:10.900 --> 02:47:12.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 12. Dadaan sa distribution, h2r5-turn-002451 02:47:13.080 --> 02:47:25.700 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 12. Pati yung systems loss, losses na, may tax pa. Pati mga subsidies, lifeline, ambag na nga namin sa gobyerno yun. Yung hindi sa availer, tinatax pa ninyo. We should review that. h2r5-turn-002452 02:47:26.380 --> 02:47:31.500 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ako po yung principal author ng ERC strengthening. Tapos na po yun. h2r5-turn-002453 02:47:32.060 --> 02:47:40.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Apat na oras ko dinefend yun sa floor. Binigyan natin ng budget si ERC doon sa collection office nila na 50 h2r5-turn-002454 02:47:40.760 --> 02:47:41.260 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: percent i-retain. h2r5-turn-002455 02:47:41.500 --> 02:47:45.380 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Si Congressman Rufus ang nagpatagal sa akin kasi ayaw. I h2r5-turn-002456 02:47:45.380 --> 02:47:48.700 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: agree with you, we should strengthen yung h2r5-turn-002457 02:47:48.700 --> 02:47:51.960 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ERC. Tama po kayo dyan. So ang h2r5-turn-002458 02:47:51.960 --> 02:47:55.900 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: i-review natin yung parang multiple taxes yun. h2r5-turn-002459 02:47:56.060 --> 02:47:57.040 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi pag h2r5-turn-002460 02:47:57.040 --> 02:48:19.720 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: halimbawa nag-benchmark si ERC ng 6 pesos per kilowatt hour sa coal. Pag taas ng panggatong, aabot yan ng 8-9. Tataas din yung VAT kasi naka-fix yung VAT natin. What I am suggesting, baka pwedeng pagtuunan ninyong pansin kung ano yung basis ni BIR sa target revenue. h2r5-turn-002461 02:48:21.160 --> 02:48:45.500 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Halimbawa 6 pesos yung benchmark, kukuliktahin natin yung 6 pesos. Pero pag lumampas yan ng 6, there are times na mag-ano si Indonesia. Kung tataas ng 10 pesos, baka pwedeng iba na yung i-ano natin doon sa in-excess doon sa 6 pesos. Win-win po yan kasi wala pong nawala na revenue sa atin. Baka tataas pa kasi ang h2r5-turn-002462 02:48:45.500 --> 02:48:56.720 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: spending hindi magtitipid ng ano. Tataas yung energy sales natin, mababawi din yun. Anyway, yun din naman pong natipid nila. h2r5-turn-002463 02:48:58.140 --> 02:49:18.780 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ibibili din naman ang pagkain yun. Ibibili din ang mga goods. May 12 percent po tayo doon. So, I hope na makinig kayo konti kahit hindi kami economist. Kasi kami sa power sector, tinitingnan namin saan yung bottleneck. Talagang yung tax natin ang nagpabigat. h2r5-turn-002464 02:49:19.520 --> 02:49:20.520 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Buti nga lang, h2r5-turn-002465 02:49:20.640 --> 02:49:24.320 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: minention ni Presidente yung systems loss na VAT h2r5-turn-002466 02:49:24.320 --> 02:49:26.740 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ngayon nagkukumuhog tayo. But, h2r5-turn-002467 02:49:26.840 --> 02:49:35.840 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: napakaliit po yan. I hope, titignan din natin yung other taxes. Lalong-lalo na yung GI all, FIT all. h2r5-turn-002468 02:49:36.880 --> 02:49:40.760 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I hope, wala nang sana all na sisingilin. h2r5-turn-002469 02:49:41.280 --> 02:49:58.460 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Huwag na nating i-ano yun. Baka i-forego na natin yun. Kasi ang kaakibat naman doon, dagdag na mga planta, dagdag na trabaho. May tax na naman tayo sa mga nagtatrabaho. Dagdag na negosyo. Kasi investment ang tama h2r5-turn-002470 02:49:58.460 --> 02:50:05.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: po kayo dito. Pero, may kunti akong reservation sa mga ibang mga sinasabi nyo kung paano i-resolve. h2r5-turn-002471 02:50:05.540 --> 02:50:08.040 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi in the real sense sa power industry, h2r5-turn-002472 02:50:08.460 --> 02:50:10.600 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: lalong tataas tayo h2r5-turn-002473 02:50:10.600 --> 02:50:12.220 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: dito pag lakihan h2r5-turn-002474 02:50:12.220 --> 02:50:14.280 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: natin kaagad-agad yung renewable. h2r5-turn-002475 02:50:14.820 --> 02:50:18.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I hope, magkausap tayo. So, Mr. Secretary, with your team, h2r5-turn-002476 02:50:19.240 --> 02:50:24.080 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: itanong ko nga sana, bakit ibinta natin yung Caliraya, kumikita yan? h2r5-turn-002477 02:50:24.500 --> 02:50:24.980 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Bakit h2r5-turn-002478 02:50:24.980 --> 02:50:29.100 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ibinta na naman natin yung Agos and Pulangi, na h2r5-turn-002479 02:50:29.100 --> 02:50:29.920 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kumikita yan? h2r5-turn-002480 02:50:30.540 --> 02:50:40.180 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sa palagay ko, no person in his right mind na yung asset niya na kumikita ay kanyang i-privatize. Wala na tayong control. Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002481 02:50:40.200 --> 02:50:41.400 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong. Dagooc. h2r5-turn-002482 02:50:41.400 --> 02:50:42.440 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We share your h2r5-turn-002483 02:50:42.440 --> 02:50:45.980 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: passion for lowering our electricity rates. h2r5-turn-002484 02:50:46.880 --> 02:50:49.800 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pwede pa rin po next round, Kong Dago. h2r5-turn-002485 02:50:51.120 --> 02:50:55.260 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mahaba yun, Mr. Chair. Ang gusto ko lang sana, if we can sit down with h2r5-turn-002486 02:50:55.260 --> 02:51:03.320 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: BIR, kahit hindi lang ako, kahit wish and means. If we can sit down with Secretary Arsi, h2r5-turn-002487 02:51:04.660 --> 02:51:15.160 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kasi natumbok nga eh. Natumbok nga yung currency, number one. Pero medyo may mga ako na baka pwede niyang pakinggan with BIR, with DOF. We h2r5-turn-002488 02:51:15.160 --> 02:51:21.340 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: can do that, Cong. Dagooc. Maraming salamat po. And would Sec. Arsi want to reply before h2r5-turn-002489 02:51:21.340 --> 02:51:23.720 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we move to the next representative? h2r5-turn-002490 02:51:24.220 --> 02:51:26.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We'll be happy to sit down with the Honorable Congressman. h2r5-turn-002491 02:51:27.020 --> 02:51:27.420 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay. h2r5-turn-002492 02:51:27.560 --> 02:51:28.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat po. h2r5-turn-002493 02:51:29.160 --> 02:51:30.020 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Sec. h2r5-turn-002494 02:51:30.080 --> 02:51:32.020 Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I hope na ma-arrange natin. h2r5-turn-002495 02:51:32.800 --> 02:51:34.140 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002496 02:51:34.140 --> 02:51:34.320 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002497 02:51:34.560 --> 02:51:35.080 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: ... h2r5-turn-002498 02:51:35.300 --> 02:51:35.460 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: ... h2r5-turn-002499 02:51:36.480 --> 02:51:37.620 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, Cong. Mark? h2r5-turn-002500 02:51:38.280 --> 02:51:40.760 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: May I be included in h2r5-turn-002501 02:51:40.760 --> 02:51:42.140 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: that group that h2r5-turn-002502 02:51:42.140 --> 02:51:44.260 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: is going to meet with the Congressman? h2r5-turn-002503 02:51:44.540 --> 02:51:45.360 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes. Yes, absolutely. h2r5-turn-002504 02:51:45.980 --> 02:51:47.500 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Yes, thank you. Thank h2r5-turn-002505 02:51:47.500 --> 02:51:48.200 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong. Mark. h2r5-turn-002506 02:51:48.780 --> 02:51:52.160 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So next, may we call on... h2r5-turn-002507 02:52:00.190 --> 02:52:01.490 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Tony Roman. h2r5-turn-002508 02:52:02.230 --> 02:52:02.880 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002508-split-2 02:52:02.880 --> 02:52:03.530 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: The floor is yours. h2r5-turn-002509 02:52:05.050 --> 02:52:12.370 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: A question regarding the NTA. Before I propel the question, just to contextualize, there's a bit of good news h2r5-turn-002510 02:52:12.370 --> 02:52:16.130 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: that was reported on the floor earlier, that h2r5-turn-002511 02:52:16.130 --> 02:52:18.650 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the NTA allocation from h2r5-turn-002512 02:52:18.650 --> 02:52:21.150 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 2026 to 2027 increased. h2r5-turn-002513 02:52:21.630 --> 02:52:23.490 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: That's a good sign. h2r5-turn-002514 02:52:23.750 --> 02:52:27.750 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: But my concern relates to the distribution of the NTA. h2r5-turn-002515 02:52:28.130 --> 02:52:30.230 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So perhaps may h2r5-turn-002516 02:52:30.230 --> 02:52:33.050 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: I ask the Department of Finance to h2r5-turn-002517 02:52:33.050 --> 02:52:33.810 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: help h2r5-turn-002518 02:52:33.810 --> 02:52:37.570 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: elucidate on h2r5-turn-002519 02:52:37.570 --> 02:52:38.270 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: that distribution? h2r5-turn-002520 02:52:39.550 --> 02:52:41.730 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So currently, under h2r5-turn-002521 02:52:41.730 --> 02:52:44.070 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the local government code, the h2r5-turn-002522 02:52:44.070 --> 02:52:45.770 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: formula provides h2r5-turn-002523 02:52:45.770 --> 02:52:46.850 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: that h2r5-turn-002524 02:52:46.850 --> 02:52:49.170 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 23 percent goes h2r5-turn-002525 02:52:49.170 --> 02:52:55.070 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: to cities, 20 percent goes to provinces, 34 percent goes to municipalities, and 20 percent to barangays. Tama po ba? h2r5-turn-002526 02:52:56.030 --> 02:52:56.870 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: It's correct? h2r5-turn-002527 02:52:57.270 --> 02:52:57.930 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes. h2r5-turn-002528 02:52:58.930 --> 02:53:00.650 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes. But there h2r5-turn-002529 02:53:00.650 --> 02:53:04.850 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: are 149 cities sharing h2r5-turn-002530 02:53:04.850 --> 02:53:08.610 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: in the 23 allocation for cities. Do h2r5-turn-002531 02:53:08.610 --> 02:53:08.890 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: you confirm? h2r5-turn-002532 02:53:12.510 --> 02:53:13.170 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes. h2r5-turn-002533 02:53:13.810 --> 02:53:20.240 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And there are 1,493 municipalities sharing in the 34 that goes to municipalities. h2r5-turn-002534 02:53:21.320 --> 02:53:24.920 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, I think DBM should be the one replying to the honorable congressman h2r5-turn-002535 02:53:25.220 --> 02:53:27.160 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes. I turn to h2r5-turn-002536 02:53:27.160 --> 02:53:27.560 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: DBM. h2r5-turn-002537 02:53:28.300 --> 02:53:29.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002538 02:53:29.940 --> 02:53:30.720 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please reply. h2r5-turn-002539 02:53:31.260 --> 02:53:31.660 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Tama. h2r5-turn-002540 02:53:31.820 --> 02:53:38.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As to the number of municipalities, we have 1,491, Your Honor, in 2025. h2r5-turn-002541 02:53:38.760 --> 02:53:38.940 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Ninety-one. h2r5-turn-002542 02:53:38.940 --> 02:53:39.120 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Okay. h2r5-turn-002543 02:53:39.480 --> 02:53:42.100 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So from those statistics alone, h2r5-turn-002544 02:53:44.100 --> 02:53:44.740 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: do h2r5-turn-002545 02:53:44.740 --> 02:53:48.340 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: you agree that municipalities get less than cities? h2r5-turn-002546 02:53:51.320 --> 02:54:02.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. Just considering the percentage of allocation and the number of LGUs, municipalities tend to receive less shares than the cities, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002547 02:54:02.720 --> 02:54:06.640 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yung mga cities po mas mayayaman sa municipalities. Tama po ba? h2r5-turn-002548 02:54:08.790 --> 02:54:15.470 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes. Your Honor, considering higher tax base and higher capacity to levy taxes as well. h2r5-turn-002549 02:54:15.470 --> 02:54:18.350 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And despite that, mas maliit po'y napupunta sa municipalities. h2r5-turn-002550 02:54:20.250 --> 02:54:25.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is because of the allocation provided for under the Local Government Code, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002551 02:54:25.330 --> 02:54:25.590 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Okay. h2r5-turn-002552 02:54:27.030 --> 02:54:30.450 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Do you also agree that there are more people in municipalities than in cities? h2r5-turn-002553 02:54:35.480 --> 02:54:41.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, depending on municipality, that may not be absolute, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002554 02:54:41.940 --> 02:54:51.120 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: In general, if you lump together, group together all the municipalities, there are more people in municipalities than in cities. If there are 1,491 municipalities and h2r5-turn-002555 02:54:51.120 --> 02:54:58.000 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: there are only 149 cities, it stands to reason that there are more people in 1,491 municipalities than there are in h2r5-turn-002556 02:54:58.000 --> 02:54:59.700 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 149 cities. Tama po ba? h2r5-turn-002557 02:54:59.940 --> 02:55:06.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If you're looking at the aggregate, Mr. Chair, Your Honor, of all municipalities, then the answer would be yes, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002558 02:55:06.440 --> 02:55:09.580 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: But as a group, they only get 34%, correct? h2r5-turn-002559 02:55:09.900 --> 02:55:12.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on the formula of the Local Government Code, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002560 02:55:12.680 --> 02:55:13.040 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Okay. h2r5-turn-002561 02:55:13.580 --> 02:55:15.280 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And do you agree that h2r5-turn-002562 02:55:15.280 --> 02:55:16.680 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the... h2r5-turn-002563 02:55:17.740 --> 02:55:18.960 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: utilization rate, h2r5-turn-002564 02:55:19.080 --> 02:55:25.400 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the NTA utilization rate of municipalities is around 85 to 90 h2r5-turn-002565 02:55:32.500 --> 02:55:38.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As to utilization, Your Honor, we may have to confirm the actual rates. h2r5-turn-002566 02:55:38.780 --> 02:55:41.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We just don't have the figures with us right now, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002567 02:55:41.500 --> 02:55:49.400 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Okay. Let me try this. With respect to the NTA utilization rate of cities, is it around 60 percent? h2r5-turn-002568 02:55:53.820 --> 02:55:58.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We don't have the exact data of NTA utilization rate, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002569 02:55:59.300 --> 02:56:01.740 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Masasabi niyo ba na utilization rate, h2r5-turn-002570 02:56:01.880 --> 02:56:05.280 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: para hindi na tayo eksakto, hindi na natin tinayang mga numero, h2r5-turn-002571 02:56:05.520 --> 02:56:09.900 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: masasabi niyo ba sa abot ng inyong kaalaman na h2r5-turn-002572 02:56:09.900 --> 02:56:15.440 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: utilization rate ng mga municipalities ay mas mataas kaysa utilization rate ng mga cities? h2r5-turn-002573 02:56:19.270 --> 02:56:25.010 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, the closest that we can actually infer to is probably NTA dependence. h2r5-turn-002574 02:56:25.590 --> 02:56:27.121 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes. h2r5-turn-002574-split-2 02:56:27.121 --> 02:56:27.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So if we use that as an indicator, h2r5-turn-002575 02:56:27.710 --> 02:56:31.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes. the NTA dependence is higher in municipalities than cities, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002576 02:56:32.050 --> 02:56:35.170 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Di ba, pagka mas mataas yung dependence, mas dapat binibigyan? h2r5-turn-002577 02:56:36.270 --> 02:56:37.910 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: You don't have to feel defensive, ah? h2r5-turn-002578 02:56:38.630 --> 02:56:42.230 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. We're just following, Your Honor, the formula of the local government code. h2r5-turn-002579 02:56:42.450 --> 02:56:46.750 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Oo, tama. Pag politiko lang, pag mas mataas yung dependence, mas dapat binibigyan. h2r5-turn-002580 02:56:51.870 --> 02:56:54.430 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: NTA dependence, as h2r5-turn-002581 02:56:54.430 --> 02:56:55.190 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: a matter of policy. h2r5-turn-002582 02:57:00.670 --> 02:57:11.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, on the statement na kapag mas mataas yung dependence, dapat mas binibigyan, we're looking at also, as we have mentioned a while ago, quality of spending as well. h2r5-turn-002583 02:57:11.170 --> 02:57:11.650 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: No. Ceteris h2r5-turn-002584 02:57:11.650 --> 02:57:12.090 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Paribus. h2r5-turn-002585 02:57:12.970 --> 02:57:13.870 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Ceteris Paribus. h2r5-turn-002586 02:57:15.030 --> 02:57:17.430 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Everything else being equal, if h2r5-turn-002587 02:57:17.430 --> 02:57:20.210 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the NTA dependence is higher, that is reason to give that h2r5-turn-002588 02:57:20.210 --> 02:57:21.370 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: entity more. h2r5-turn-002589 02:57:29.390 --> 02:57:35.530 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Considering the allocation, Your Honor, then if there is ability to provide in addition to h2r5-turn-002590 02:57:35.530 --> 02:57:41.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: those LGUs who will be needing more, then the answer would be a yes. h2r5-turn-002591 02:57:41.990 --> 02:57:42.270 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes, okay. h2r5-turn-002592 02:57:44.610 --> 02:57:53.950 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Ngayon po, after the NTA is distributed, following the formula provided by the local government code of h2r5-turn-002593 02:57:53.950 --> 02:57:55.890 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 1991, tama po ba, 1991? h2r5-turn-002594 02:57:56.670 --> 02:57:57.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002595 02:57:57.870 --> 02:58:02.190 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Meron tong horizontal distribution formula na ginagamit, tama? h2r5-turn-002596 02:58:03.070 --> 02:58:04.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002597 02:58:04.870 --> 02:58:06.910 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And as I understand, h2r5-turn-002598 02:58:07.250 --> 02:58:09.910 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 50 percent is based of the allocation, is based, h2r5-turn-002599 02:58:11.170 --> 02:58:16.630 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: ito yung pagsabing horizontal within the category of municipalities, paano hahatiin ang mga municipalities, h2r5-turn-002600 02:58:17.150 --> 02:58:17.410 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: tama? h2r5-turn-002601 02:58:18.250 --> 02:58:19.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002602 02:58:19.650 --> 02:58:20.070 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And h2r5-turn-002603 02:58:20.070 --> 02:58:23.730 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: based on the formula, 50 percent goes to population, h2r5-turn-002604 02:58:24.030 --> 02:58:24.350 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: tama? h2r5-turn-002605 02:58:24.850 --> 02:58:26.030 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002606 02:58:26.210 --> 02:58:27.590 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And 25 h2r5-turn-002607 02:58:27.970 --> 02:58:29.110 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: goes to land area, correct? h2r5-turn-002608 02:58:29.710 --> 02:58:30.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002609 02:58:31.510 --> 02:58:33.710 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And then 25 equal distribution? h2r5-turn-002610 02:58:34.750 --> 02:58:36.090 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor. Meaning, h2r5-turn-002611 02:58:36.270 --> 02:58:38.550 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: yung 25 nalalalabi, to h2r5-turn-002612 02:58:38.550 --> 02:58:41.290 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: be divided equally among and h2r5-turn-002613 02:58:41.290 --> 02:58:41.910 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: by municipalities, h2r5-turn-002614 02:58:42.230 --> 02:58:42.410 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: tama? h2r5-turn-002615 02:58:42.570 --> 02:58:43.670 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002616 02:58:44.830 --> 02:58:46.590 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Is there correlation between h2r5-turn-002617 02:58:46.590 --> 02:58:52.270 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: population and income, so that the more populous a municipality is, the higher the income? h2r5-turn-002618 02:59:09.680 --> 02:59:11.580 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes Secretary Go h2r5-turn-002619 02:59:11.580 --> 02:59:12.760 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I may help my h2r5-turn-002619-split-2 02:59:12.760 --> 02:59:13.940 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please go ahead h2r5-turn-002620 02:59:13.940 --> 02:59:14.300 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please go ahead h2r5-turn-002621 02:59:14.300 --> 02:59:14.540 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: fellow Cabinet secretary h2r5-turn-002622 02:59:14.540 --> 02:59:15.740 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think the h2r5-turn-002623 02:59:16.380 --> 02:59:23.260 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I've actually in my short time at the Department of Finance, I actually noted everything h2r5-turn-002624 02:59:23.260 --> 02:59:25.200 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: you are saying now. h2r5-turn-002625 02:59:25.200 --> 02:59:26.740 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And so I looked into it. h2r5-turn-002626 02:59:26.880 --> 02:59:28.120 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And I h2r5-turn-002627 02:59:28.120 --> 02:59:29.440 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think h2r5-turn-002628 02:59:29.440 --> 02:59:34.020 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the answers of my colleague from DBM is correct. We're just following the law. h2r5-turn-002629 02:59:34.360 --> 02:59:34.900 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Tama. h2r5-turn-002630 02:59:36.500 --> 02:59:37.980 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I noted, however, h2r5-turn-002631 02:59:38.220 --> 02:59:40.620 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: exactly the two things you mentioned. h2r5-turn-002632 02:59:41.240 --> 02:59:46.420 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So we actually had a discussion with the World Bank to h2r5-turn-002633 02:59:46.420 --> 02:59:50.100 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: To take a look at this law and h2r5-turn-002634 02:59:50.100 --> 02:59:53.560 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And to see if it was, if it needs to be, shall we say, updated. h2r5-turn-002635 02:59:54.640 --> 02:59:57.100 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Or looked into. And h2r5-turn-002636 02:59:57.100 --> 02:59:59.720 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: specifically with two other criteria in mind. h2r5-turn-002637 02:59:59.920 --> 03:00:01.160 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: One was poverty. h2r5-turn-002638 03:00:02.260 --> 03:00:04.140 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The incidence of poverty. h2r5-turn-002639 03:00:04.400 --> 03:00:07.980 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And secondly, the absorptive capacity. Which h2r5-turn-002640 03:00:07.980 --> 03:00:10.760 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: is, I think, exactly what you are leading towards h2r5-turn-002641 03:00:10.760 --> 03:00:12.340 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: in the beginning of your h2r5-turn-002642 03:00:12.340 --> 03:00:19.140 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: statements. So I actually have been, I h2r5-turn-002643 03:00:19.140 --> 03:00:23.800 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: have actually taken a look at this. And I actually share your points h2r5-turn-002644 03:00:23.800 --> 03:00:29.240 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: of view. But we're really just at this point following the law. So I think what we will do is we'll work with World Bank. h2r5-turn-002645 03:00:29.500 --> 03:00:33.320 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: See if there are adjustments that can be made. And then maybe we will recommend it h2r5-turn-002646 03:00:33.320 --> 03:00:36.860 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for the legislature's consideration. h2r5-turn-002647 03:00:36.860 --> 03:00:40.060 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Opo. And another possible, another h2r5-turn-002648 03:00:40.060 --> 03:00:44.500 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: criterion possibly that should be considered is also based on merit. h2r5-turn-002649 03:00:46.300 --> 03:00:49.820 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Meritocracy such as outcomes. Or h2r5-turn-002650 03:00:49.820 --> 03:00:53.140 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: SGLG h2r5-turn-002651 03:00:53.140 --> 03:00:53.460 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: perhaps. h2r5-turn-002652 03:00:54.700 --> 03:00:58.660 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So we have a more reliable, rational h2r5-turn-002653 03:00:58.660 --> 03:01:01.200 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: way of distributing the NTA. h2r5-turn-002654 03:01:01.340 --> 03:01:02.400 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: But let h2r5-turn-002655 03:01:02.400 --> 03:01:03.420 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: me now turn to h2r5-turn-002656 03:01:03.420 --> 03:01:06.020 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the LGSF. h2r5-turn-002657 03:01:07.860 --> 03:01:11.520 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: I think, and for this question, I turn to the DBM. h2r5-turn-002658 03:01:12.680 --> 03:01:15.400 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Ay, naubusan akong time. Is that 15 seconds left? h2r5-turn-002659 03:01:15.980 --> 03:01:17.000 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes. h2r5-turn-002660 03:01:17.000 --> 03:01:17.480 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Oh my gosh h2r5-turn-002661 03:01:17.480 --> 03:01:17.880 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Last question, Cong. Tony. h2r5-turn-002662 03:01:18.520 --> 03:01:20.520 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Then I will ask a compound question. h2r5-turn-002663 03:01:22.140 --> 03:01:27.040 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: You say LGSF, I noticed the disbursement, it was dispersed more to cities. h2r5-turn-002664 03:01:27.340 --> 03:01:27.900 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Why? h2r5-turn-002665 03:01:28.400 --> 03:01:30.240 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Given the purpose of the LGSF. h2r5-turn-002666 03:01:30.460 --> 03:01:32.440 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: The other one is h2r5-turn-002667 03:01:32.440 --> 03:01:34.500 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the unused appropriation from h2r5-turn-002668 03:01:34.500 --> 03:01:37.920 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 2010 to 2022. It's about 300 billion h2r5-turn-002669 03:01:37.920 --> 03:01:40.100 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: pesos per year. h2r5-turn-002670 03:01:41.600 --> 03:01:43.640 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: This could have been given to municipalities. h2r5-turn-002671 03:01:44.340 --> 03:01:45.180 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Do you agree? h2r5-turn-002672 03:01:45.820 --> 03:01:47.300 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So those are the last two questions. h2r5-turn-002673 03:01:47.700 --> 03:01:51.560 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Cong. Tony, for those last two questions. h2r5-turn-002674 03:01:52.180 --> 03:01:53.740 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim, please reply. h2r5-turn-002675 03:01:54.000 --> 03:02:01.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, insofar as the 2026 LGSF, Financial Assistance to LGUs are concerned, h2r5-turn-002676 03:02:02.180 --> 03:02:04.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the observation that more h2r5-turn-002677 03:02:04.620 --> 03:02:14.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: releases were given to... cities. This is primarily because of the RICE Program as being rolled out currently by the President where h2r5-turn-002678 03:02:14.280 --> 03:02:15.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it is based on population. h2r5-turn-002679 03:02:16.120 --> 03:02:19.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So the population, actually, the share h2r5-turn-002680 03:02:19.100 --> 03:02:20.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of... h2r5-turn-002681 03:02:20.660 --> 03:02:24.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the larger population of municipalities were actually given to provinces h2r5-turn-002682 03:02:25.880 --> 03:02:30.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Separate po yung binigay na allocation directly to cities. So that explains why h2r5-turn-002683 03:02:30.800 --> 03:02:35.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher shares were given to cities but h2r5-turn-002684 03:02:35.000 --> 03:02:36.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for the rest, there's a share between h2r5-turn-002685 03:02:37.160 --> 03:02:39.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the province and the respective municipalities. h2r5-turn-002686 03:02:40.880 --> 03:02:42.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on population, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002687 03:02:42.380 --> 03:02:43.860 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat. h2r5-turn-002688 03:02:43.860 --> 03:02:45.160 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: The other question wasn't responded to. h2r5-turn-002689 03:02:45.640 --> 03:02:48.780 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yung second question. I already h2r5-turn-002690 03:02:48.780 --> 03:03:00.180 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: asked it so don't take this against me. The unused appropriation on average from 2010 to 2022 is about 300 billion, give or take. h2r5-turn-002691 03:03:02.580 --> 03:03:03.860 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: This, in h2r5-turn-002692 03:03:03.860 --> 03:03:09.940 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: terms of putting together the budget and realigning it, this could have been given more to perhaps to help municipalities? h2r5-turn-002693 03:03:10.960 --> 03:03:13.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Sorry, Your Honor. May we clarify the budget item? h2r5-turn-002694 03:03:14.420 --> 03:03:15.580 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Unused appropriation. h2r5-turn-002695 03:03:16.400 --> 03:03:19.100 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So there's an appropriation because of underutilization, h2r5-turn-002696 03:03:19.440 --> 03:03:20.000 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: right? h2r5-turn-002697 03:03:20.060 --> 03:03:20.980 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: There's a remaining budget. h2r5-turn-002698 03:03:22.830 --> 03:03:24.030 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If you look at it, h2r5-turn-002699 03:03:24.110 --> 03:03:25.890 Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: it's around 300 billion. h2r5-turn-002700 03:03:27.550 --> 03:03:40.170 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Maybe, Your Honor, if you're referring to unused appropriations, if the funds are still valid for another fiscal year, that carry over to the next fiscal year. Otherwise, that reverts to the h2r5-turn-002701 03:03:42.250 --> 03:03:44.770 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: unappropriated surplus of the general fund, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002702 03:03:44.970 --> 03:03:45.470 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay. h2r5-turn-002703 03:03:45.730 --> 03:03:47.290 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat. Cong. Tony h2r5-turn-002704 03:03:47.450 --> 03:03:49.090 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: pwede pa naman next round? h2r5-turn-002705 03:03:51.450 --> 03:03:52.730 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Sec. Kim h2r5-turn-002706 03:03:53.170 --> 03:03:54.690 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So we go to the next h2r5-turn-002707 03:03:56.210 --> 03:03:58.910 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: colleague that will propound h2r5-turn-002708 03:03:58.910 --> 03:04:01.310 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: his questions. May we call on h2r5-turn-002709 03:04:02.990 --> 03:04:04.690 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Representative Chel Diokno h2r5-turn-002710 03:04:05.650 --> 03:04:07.390 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sir, you have the floor. Please proceed. h2r5-turn-002711 03:04:07.690 --> 03:04:10.990 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Magandang hapon po sa atin lahat. h2r5-turn-002712 03:04:11.230 --> 03:04:17.810 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Bago po ako bawasan ng oras, I have a point of clarification that I would like to bring up with the Chair h2r5-turn-002713 03:04:17.810 --> 03:04:18.770 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: if I could. h2r5-turn-002714 03:04:19.230 --> 03:04:24.470 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Huwag sana po muna akong tanggalan ng seconds ko diyan. Last year, h2r5-turn-002715 03:04:24.570 --> 03:04:27.170 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: I think it was very clear that our civil society h2r5-turn-002716 03:04:28.190 --> 03:04:30.590 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: friends were given a h2r5-turn-002717 03:04:30.590 --> 03:04:36.510 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: status in the budget process. Kinilala po sila, bagamat mga observers lang po sila, h2r5-turn-002718 03:04:36.930 --> 03:04:38.470 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: they were able to participate. h2r5-turn-002719 03:04:39.070 --> 03:04:44.310 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: But I understand that for this budget cycle, wala pa pong malinaw na h2r5-turn-002720 03:04:45.090 --> 03:04:48.210 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: polisiya pagdating sa ating mga CSOs. I h2r5-turn-002721 03:04:48.210 --> 03:04:49.850 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: would just like to bring this up h2r5-turn-002722 03:04:49.850 --> 03:04:51.650 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: with the Chair h2r5-turn-002723 03:04:51.650 --> 03:04:55.350 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: and ask for clear guidelines so that they can participate. h2r5-turn-002724 03:04:57.460 --> 03:04:59.020 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002725 03:04:59.020 --> 03:05:00.180 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you for the question, h2r5-turn-002726 03:05:01.320 --> 03:05:05.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Representative Diokno. So tomorrow, there is a coordination meeting. h2r5-turn-002727 03:05:06.260 --> 03:05:07.640 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: With the civil h2r5-turn-002728 03:05:09.320 --> 03:05:10.660 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: society and the h2r5-turn-002729 03:05:11.500 --> 03:05:12.180 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: CPPRD. h2r5-turn-002730 03:05:12.940 --> 03:05:20.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And they will finalize the guidelines on how the civil society can actively participate in h2r5-turn-002731 03:05:20.220 --> 03:05:22.280 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: this year's budget process. h2r5-turn-002732 03:05:22.780 --> 03:05:24.560 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002733 03:05:24.660 --> 03:05:24.880 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: My h2r5-turn-002734 03:05:24.880 --> 03:05:30.820 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: questions are primarily addressed to the Chair of the Department of Budget and Management. However, h2r5-turn-002735 03:05:31.080 --> 03:05:34.900 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: other members of the DBCC may chime in if h2r5-turn-002736 03:05:34.900 --> 03:05:36.860 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: you would like to contribute as well. h2r5-turn-002737 03:05:37.200 --> 03:05:43.880 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Napansin po natin na tumaas nga ang budget for this year based on the proposed budget by h2r5-turn-002738 03:05:43.880 --> 03:05:45.700 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 6%. Pero h2r5-turn-002739 03:05:45.700 --> 03:05:46.860 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: tila, h2r5-turn-002740 03:05:46.860 --> 03:05:47.740 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: parang h2r5-turn-002741 03:05:47.740 --> 03:05:49.320 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: nabawasan naman ang pondo h2r5-turn-002742 03:05:49.320 --> 03:05:53.280 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: para sa mga ahensyang direktang namumuhunan sa ating mga tao. h2r5-turn-002743 03:05:53.500 --> 03:05:55.500 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: I'm referring to the budgets for h2r5-turn-002744 03:05:55.500 --> 03:05:57.360 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: education, for h2r5-turn-002745 03:05:57.360 --> 03:06:00.680 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: health, skills development, and social protection. h2r5-turn-002746 03:06:01.180 --> 03:06:03.640 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: For example, sa edukasyon, h2r5-turn-002747 03:06:04.080 --> 03:06:05.080 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: bumaba na from h2r5-turn-002748 03:06:06.180 --> 03:06:13.060 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 961.3 billion ang DepEd budget ay naging 916.7 B h2r5-turn-002749 03:06:13.060 --> 03:06:13.500 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: na lang. h2r5-turn-002750 03:06:13.860 --> 03:06:18.740 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Sa SUCs naman, mula 137.9 B naging h2r5-turn-002751 03:06:18.740 --> 03:06:20.520 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 134.5. h2r5-turn-002752 03:06:21.000 --> 03:06:26.820 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Sa CHED, mula 47.5 billion, bumaba sa 34.6 billion. h2r5-turn-002753 03:06:27.060 --> 03:06:28.460 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: At sa TESDA, from h2r5-turn-002754 03:06:28.460 --> 03:06:30.020 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 26 billion, h2r5-turn-002755 03:06:30.280 --> 03:06:32.480 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: it went down to 20.8. h2r5-turn-002756 03:06:32.640 --> 03:06:35.620 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: And the same would apply to the Department of Health. h2r5-turn-002757 03:06:35.740 --> 03:06:36.960 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: It went down a h2r5-turn-002758 03:06:36.960 --> 03:06:39.420 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: substantial amount as well, around 30 billion. h2r5-turn-002759 03:06:40.020 --> 03:06:41.100 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: PhilHealth also h2r5-turn-002760 03:06:41.100 --> 03:06:44.140 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: went down by roughly more h2r5-turn-002761 03:06:44.140 --> 03:06:45.800 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: than 50 billion. The h2r5-turn-002762 03:06:45.800 --> 03:06:49.860 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: same would apply as well to the DSWD. Kaya ang tanong ko po sa h2r5-turn-002763 03:06:49.860 --> 03:06:51.840 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: DBM at sa DBCC, h2r5-turn-002764 03:06:52.520 --> 03:06:53.520 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: bakit tila h2r5-turn-002765 03:06:53.520 --> 03:06:57.420 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: ayaw mamuhunan ng gobyerno natin sa sarili natin mga mamamayan? h2r5-turn-002766 03:06:59.740 --> 03:07:06.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, yun pong mga naobserbahan po na decrease into the h2r5-turn-002767 03:07:06.300 --> 03:07:10.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mentioned departments took into account the h2r5-turn-002768 03:07:10.040 --> 03:07:15.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: absorptive capacity of these agencies and their capacity to implement their current programs. h2r5-turn-002769 03:07:15.420 --> 03:07:18.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Gaya po nang nabanggit natin, halimbawa po sa DepEd, h2r5-turn-002770 03:07:18.600 --> 03:07:23.420 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang decrease po na 39.346 billion ay h2r5-turn-002771 03:07:23.420 --> 03:07:28.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dahil po sa kanilang mababang utilization or ongoing utilization ng h2r5-turn-002772 03:07:28.240 --> 03:07:30.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanilang kasalukuyang budget for h2r5-turn-002773 03:07:30.560 --> 03:07:36.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the school building program. And in 2027, kasama rin po sa ating consideration, h2r5-turn-002774 03:07:37.340 --> 03:07:39.420 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay yun pong school h2r5-turn-002775 03:07:39.420 --> 03:07:43.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: buildings that will be funded not only by the National h2r5-turn-002776 03:07:43.160 --> 03:07:49.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Expenditure Program, but also through existing public-private partnerships na kasalukuyang pong h2r5-turn-002777 03:07:49.640 --> 03:07:52.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ina-assess or in-evaluate. h2r5-turn-002778 03:07:52.680 --> 03:07:57.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ganon din po, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, ang naging dahilan sa h2r5-turn-002779 03:07:57.460 --> 03:07:58.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOH, h2r5-turn-002780 03:07:58.380 --> 03:07:59.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lalo na po sa kanilang h2r5-turn-002781 03:07:59.920 --> 03:08:02.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Health Facilities Enhancement Fund, na h2r5-turn-002782 03:08:02.820 --> 03:08:04.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kasalukuyang hindi pa po nila h2r5-turn-002783 03:08:04.640 --> 03:08:07.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: naia-award. Kasalukuyang pa lang pong pinoprocure. h2r5-turn-002784 03:08:08.020 --> 03:08:10.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At yun pong Medical Assistance to Indigent h2r5-turn-002785 03:08:10.680 --> 03:08:17.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Patients ay ibinalik din po natin sa NEP level, hindi dahil ayaw po natin bigyan ang h2r5-turn-002786 03:08:17.720 --> 03:08:25.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ating mga kababayan ng tulong, kundi ito po kasi ay iko-cover na supposedly ng Expanded Zero Balance Billing Program na h2r5-turn-002787 03:08:25.700 --> 03:08:29.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sinoportahan naman po natin sa ilalim ng PhilHealth. h2r5-turn-002788 03:08:29.240 --> 03:08:34.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As for the other agencies, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, aside from budget utilization, h2r5-turn-002789 03:08:35.180 --> 03:08:42.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron din pong mga one-time capital expenditure, katulad po ng ating mga state universities and colleges na h2r5-turn-002790 03:08:42.940 --> 03:08:49.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi naman po mauulit sa 2027. Gayon din po yung mga release na ating kinoconsider outside the GAA, h2r5-turn-002791 03:08:50.480 --> 03:08:54.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: katulad na lamang po yung pag-settle natin ngayon lamang buwan na ito ng h2r5-turn-002792 03:08:54.640 --> 03:08:57.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: almost 10 billion in arrears from h2r5-turn-002793 03:08:57.960 --> 03:09:00.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: free higher education na h2r5-turn-002794 03:09:00.240 --> 03:09:05.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: magagamit po ng ating mga SUCs, hindi lamang po ngayong taon kundi maging hanggang h2r5-turn-002795 03:09:05.000 --> 03:09:12.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2027 para sa patuloy nilang operasyon at pagpapaunlad po ng kanilang mga pasilidad at serbisyo, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002796 03:09:14.060 --> 03:09:19.800 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Kung ganun po, if that is the case, well then my next question would be why h2r5-turn-002797 03:09:19.800 --> 03:09:31.600 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: is it that the budget for DPWH was increased by 112 billion when I understand that there are similar issues with absorptive capacity and h2r5-turn-002798 03:09:31.600 --> 03:09:36.340 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: underutilization, among others not including issues of corruption with h2r5-turn-002799 03:09:36.340 --> 03:09:37.020 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: the DPWH. h2r5-turn-002800 03:09:39.480 --> 03:09:44.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, dito po sa DPWH, these h2r5-turn-002801 03:09:44.380 --> 03:09:49.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: are different, not only different set of projects that are also non-recurring pero h2r5-turn-002802 03:09:49.800 --> 03:09:55.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nakita po natin that these projects are implementation ready at gaya po nang nabanggit kanina h2r5-turn-002803 03:09:55.820 --> 03:09:56.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: will h2r5-turn-002804 03:09:56.480 --> 03:10:02.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: also contribute or will have a greater multiplier effect that's why the overall direction as h2r5-turn-002805 03:10:02.520 --> 03:10:05.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: part of the Build Better More program was to support h2r5-turn-002806 03:10:05.120 --> 03:10:09.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: also this infrastructure project so if taken side by with side, with the h2r5-turn-002807 03:10:09.560 --> 03:10:15.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DepEd and HPEP yung po kasing capacity ng agencies to absorb or implement additional programs, h2r5-turn-002808 03:10:15.900 --> 03:10:20.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: additional funds for additional infrastructure projects ay h2r5-turn-002809 03:10:20.020 --> 03:10:25.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kasama po dun sa atin pong consideration sa evaluation Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002810 03:10:25.940 --> 03:10:28.240 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you. Thank you for your inputs. h2r5-turn-002811 03:10:28.600 --> 03:10:29.740 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Isa pa pong tanong, h2r5-turn-002812 03:10:30.620 --> 03:10:34.120 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: napansin din namin na sabay-sabay bumaba ang budget h2r5-turn-002813 03:10:34.540 --> 03:10:37.520 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: for DepEd, CHED, SUCs, h2r5-turn-002814 03:10:37.680 --> 03:10:39.600 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: TESDA, DOH, h2r5-turn-002815 03:10:39.680 --> 03:10:42.860 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: PhilHealth, and DSWD and h2r5-turn-002816 03:10:42.860 --> 03:10:44.780 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: this is all happening within h2r5-turn-002817 03:10:44.780 --> 03:10:46.120 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: the same budget cycle h2r5-turn-002818 03:10:47.260 --> 03:10:51.140 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Napag-usapan ba ito? Is there a policy rationale for h2r5-turn-002819 03:10:51.140 --> 03:10:53.560 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: bringing down the budgets for these h2r5-turn-002820 03:10:54.080 --> 03:10:57.080 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: frontline departments of our government? h2r5-turn-002821 03:10:57.940 --> 03:11:15.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, wala pong isang straightforward reason or policy na bawasan po itong mga nabanggit na departments Again, dumaan po sa evaluation yung bawat isang programa po ng bawat isang department Again, for PhilHealth, h2r5-turn-002822 03:11:15.280 --> 03:11:20.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, kung atin pong ikukumpara yung kanilang 2027 NEP h2r5-turn-002823 03:11:20.100 --> 03:11:27.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: from the 2026 GAA, nasa 2026 GAA po kasi yung pagbabalik ng 60 billion na h2r5-turn-002824 03:11:28.100 --> 03:11:33.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: iniutos po ng Supreme Court That is why that's really a contributor, a one-time h2r5-turn-002825 03:11:33.180 --> 03:11:36.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: return of the 60 billion to PhilHealth h2r5-turn-002826 03:11:36.060 --> 03:11:37.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Pagdating naman po sa h2r5-turn-002827 03:11:38.620 --> 03:11:45.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DA, ganun din po yung naging consideration yung kanila pong implementation na kanilang farm-to-market roads and h2r5-turn-002828 03:11:45.780 --> 03:11:51.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for the DSWD po ay ibinalik lamang po natin sa NEP level yung h2r5-turn-002829 03:11:51.000 --> 03:11:53.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanila pong provision for their h2r5-turn-002830 03:11:53.240 --> 03:11:58.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: AIC sa program. But there is no singular or unilateral rule, Your Honor na h2r5-turn-002831 03:11:58.520 --> 03:12:01.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bawasan po yung mga budget po ng nabanggit na department, h2r5-turn-002832 03:12:02.300 --> 03:12:08.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dumaan lamang po dun sa ating po evaluation and tinignan po natin yung status ang implementation ng h2r5-turn-002833 03:12:08.520 --> 03:12:12.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanila pong budget for the current year, Your Honor Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-002834 03:12:14.970 --> 03:12:16.370 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Isa pa pong tanong. h2r5-turn-002835 03:12:17.110 --> 03:12:21.390 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: I saw in the slide presentation that you gave the h2r5-turn-002836 03:12:22.100 --> 03:12:24.910 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: members of the committee this morning that h2r5-turn-002837 03:12:24.910 --> 03:12:26.810 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: your computation of h2r5-turn-002838 03:12:26.810 --> 03:12:30.790 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: the budget allocation for education ay h2r5-turn-002839 03:12:30.790 --> 03:12:34.090 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: nasa 3.99 percent ng GDP h2r5-turn-002840 03:12:35.230 --> 03:12:36.030 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: but h2r5-turn-002841 03:12:36.030 --> 03:12:37.050 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: sa h2r5-turn-002842 03:12:37.050 --> 03:12:40.090 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: aming mismong pag-estima ang h2r5-turn-002843 03:12:40.090 --> 03:12:44.170 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: nakita lang po namin is it only reaches around 3.3 percent h2r5-turn-002844 03:12:46.110 --> 03:12:51.370 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: May I know how you came out with this 3.99 of h2r5-turn-002845 03:12:51.370 --> 03:12:52.670 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: GDP number? h2r5-turn-002846 03:12:54.620 --> 03:12:58.240 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Ano pong mga isinama niyong mga items h2r5-turn-002847 03:12:58.240 --> 03:12:58.760 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: doon? h2r5-turn-002848 03:12:59.320 --> 03:13:06.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor kabilang po sa nakatag po under the education sector budget is aside po doon sa h2r5-turn-002849 03:13:07.180 --> 03:13:10.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget ng kani-kanyang mga national government agencies h2r5-turn-002850 03:13:11.220 --> 03:13:12.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Nandyan din po yung budget h2r5-turn-002851 03:13:13.740 --> 03:13:21.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allocated for education from the block grant that we are giving to the Bangsamoro Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao h2r5-turn-002852 03:13:21.400 --> 03:13:23.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Gayon din po yung bahagi ng h2r5-turn-002853 03:13:23.740 --> 03:13:30.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: national tax allotment to the local government units that we can attribute to education as h2r5-turn-002854 03:13:30.520 --> 03:13:37.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: well as internally generated funds that are being retained by our state universities and colleges that are not remitted to h2r5-turn-002855 03:13:37.380 --> 03:13:45.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the national treasury but they can actually spend it for education by 2027 Your Honor. h2r5-turn-002856 03:13:45.100 --> 03:13:52.440 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: So kasama rin po dyan ang mga halimbawa PNP Academy Philippine Military Academy h2r5-turn-002857 03:13:52.440 --> 03:13:54.880 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Local Government Academies. h2r5-turn-002858 03:13:54.880 --> 03:14:02.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor for 2027 hindi po kasama dito yung pong inyong nabanggit na Philippine Military Academy h2r5-turn-002859 03:14:03.160 --> 03:14:08.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Local Government Academy so we only included agencies directly connected h2r5-turn-002860 03:14:08.760 --> 03:14:10.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to basic and h2r5-turn-002861 03:14:10.440 --> 03:14:14.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education including that implemented by our local government units h2r5-turn-002862 03:14:17.700 --> 03:14:21.720 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: I'm happy to hear that but I am still a bit h2r5-turn-002863 03:14:21.720 --> 03:14:26.120 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: disappointed that the computation does not only cover the h2r5-turn-002864 03:14:26.120 --> 03:14:27.240 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: core education h2r5-turn-002865 03:14:27.240 --> 03:14:29.840 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: agencies because if we were to compute it h2r5-turn-002866 03:14:29.840 --> 03:14:35.000 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: based on the core education agencies, sa tingin ko hindi po aabot ng h2r5-turn-002867 03:14:35.000 --> 03:14:38.340 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 3.99 percent of the GDP yung h2r5-turn-002868 03:14:38.340 --> 03:14:39.980 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: computation na yan Mr. h2r5-turn-002869 03:14:40.140 --> 03:14:47.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair while we can submit po the detailed list on how we came up with the 3.99 percent meron po kasing mga h2r5-turn-002870 03:14:47.740 --> 03:14:50.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: programa na at na h2r5-turn-002871 03:14:50.000 --> 03:15:00.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kaakibat po ng basic education but were actually lodged directly sa iba pong mga ahensya katulad na lamang po ng school based feeding program ng DepEd hindi h2r5-turn-002872 03:15:00.100 --> 03:15:04.151 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lamang po ang DepEd ang may component po sa school based feeding program meron po h2r5-turn-002873 03:15:04.151 --> 03:15:05.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: din po sa ilalim ng h2r5-turn-002874 03:15:07.000 --> 03:15:20.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: National Dairy Authority, ganun din po sa Philippine Carabao Center bilang bahagi po ng school based feeding program but we'd be happy to submit your honor Mr. Chair the detailed breakdown of the education sector budget. h2r5-turn-002875 03:15:20.980 --> 03:15:27.540 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you Mr. Chair we would welcome that just in closing we urge the committee to review and reprioritize funding h2r5-turn-002876 03:15:28.160 --> 03:15:31.080 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: for our schools, state universities, health h2r5-turn-002877 03:15:31.080 --> 03:15:32.740 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: services and social protection. h2r5-turn-002878 03:15:33.080 --> 03:15:35.380 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Ang tunay na po sa foundation po h2r5-turn-002879 03:15:35.380 --> 03:15:35.687 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: ng h2r5-turn-002880 03:15:35.687 --> 03:15:37.840 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: isang mas matatag at maunlad na bansa h2r5-turn-002881 03:15:38.240 --> 03:15:41.300 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: ay ang pamumuhunan sa ating mga mamamayan, sa h2r5-turn-002882 03:15:41.300 --> 03:15:43.120 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: ating mga estudyante manggagawa, h2r5-turn-002883 03:15:43.220 --> 03:15:46.220 Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: pamilya at komunidad. Maraming salamat Mr. Chair h2r5-turn-002884 03:15:47.720 --> 03:15:50.580 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat Representative Diokno h2r5-turn-002885 03:15:51.620 --> 03:15:53.920 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now move to our next h2r5-turn-002886 03:15:55.160 --> 03:15:55.840 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: colleague h2r5-turn-002887 03:15:56.260 --> 03:15:58.400 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: from the majority may h2r5-turn-002888 03:15:58.400 --> 03:15:59.140 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on h2r5-turn-002889 03:16:00.080 --> 03:16:01.440 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congressman Javi h2r5-turn-002890 03:16:01.440 --> 03:16:02.300 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Benitez h2r5-turn-002891 03:16:03.400 --> 03:16:05.440 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: please proceed h2r5-turn-002892 03:16:07.430 --> 03:16:08.250 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Thank you Mr. Chair h2r5-turn-002893 03:16:09.190 --> 03:16:13.090 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and good day to our honorable secretaries so h2r5-turn-002894 03:16:13.090 --> 03:16:14.250 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: this h2r5-turn-002895 03:16:14.250 --> 03:16:19.890 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: representation I'd like to raise on a matter that is at heart and about keeping a promise so h2r5-turn-002896 03:16:19.890 --> 03:16:24.470 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: last year the Philippine creative economy was valued at 2.12 trillion pesos h2r5-turn-002897 03:16:25.390 --> 03:16:29.830 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: that is 7.6 percent of our gross domestic product it h2r5-turn-002898 03:16:29.830 --> 03:16:33.270 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: supported 8.71 million jobs or h2r5-turn-002899 03:16:34.290 --> 03:16:35.314 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 17.8 percent h2r5-turn-002900 03:16:35.314 --> 03:16:38.386 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: of h2r5-turn-002901 03:16:38.386 --> 03:16:40.270 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: all Filipino workers h2r5-turn-002902 03:16:41.150 --> 03:16:46.310 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: so these are the figures from the PSA for 2025 which reported growth of 6.9 percent h2r5-turn-002903 03:16:47.090 --> 03:16:50.950 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: from 1.98 trillion pesos the year before and h2r5-turn-002904 03:16:50.950 --> 03:16:56.830 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: yet Madam, Mr. Chair when I opened the 2027 national expenditure program I h2r5-turn-002905 03:16:56.830 --> 03:16:58.430 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: see the opposite of ambition h2r5-turn-002906 03:16:59.250 --> 03:17:04.890 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the cultural center of the Philippines falls from 755.5 million this year to h2r5-turn-002907 03:17:04.890 --> 03:17:08.290 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 452 million next year the h2r5-turn-002908 03:17:08.290 --> 03:17:12.710 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: film development council falls to 311.7 million the h2r5-turn-002909 03:17:12.710 --> 03:17:17.690 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: national commission for culture and the arts drops from 775.7 million to h2r5-turn-002910 03:17:17.690 --> 03:17:20.450 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 152.9 million h2r5-turn-002911 03:17:21.210 --> 03:17:26.970 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the national book development board goes down to 165.2 million the h2r5-turn-002912 03:17:26.970 --> 03:17:30.610 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: design center to 199.9 million and h2r5-turn-002913 03:17:30.610 --> 03:17:33.510 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the Malikhaing Pinoy program the flagship of h2r5-turn-002914 03:17:33.510 --> 03:17:34.070 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: our h2r5-turn-002915 03:17:34.070 --> 03:17:40.650 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: administration once funded 360 million then 100 million then h2r5-turn-002916 03:17:40.650 --> 03:17:42.070 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 50 million then h2r5-turn-002917 03:17:42.070 --> 03:17:46.210 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: now Mr. Chair carries no line item at all zero h2r5-turn-002918 03:17:46.950 --> 03:17:52.750 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: so all the creative agencies we track up add to 2.24 billion pesos that h2r5-turn-002919 03:17:52.750 --> 03:17:55.170 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: is roughly three hundredths of h2r5-turn-002920 03:17:55.170 --> 03:17:56.630 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 1 percent of h2r5-turn-002921 03:17:56.630 --> 03:17:58.690 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: a 7.2 trillion peso budget h2r5-turn-002922 03:17:59.550 --> 03:18:06.270 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and this brings me to the promise Mr. Chair Republic Act 12023 says in plain language that 5 percent of h2r5-turn-002923 03:18:06.270 --> 03:18:11.270 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the incremental revenue from the VAT on digital service providers shall be allocated and h2r5-turn-002924 03:18:11.270 --> 03:18:12.790 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: used exclusively for h2r5-turn-002925 03:18:12.790 --> 03:18:18.670 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the development of the creative industries as defined by Republic Act 11904 for the first five years h2r5-turn-002926 03:18:19.990 --> 03:18:20.670 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and h2r5-turn-002927 03:18:20.670 --> 03:18:21.450 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: I hold a certification h2r5-turn-002928 03:18:21.450 --> 03:18:22.010 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: from h2r5-turn-002929 03:18:22.010 --> 03:18:26.530 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the Bureau of Internal Revenue dated March 2, 2026 transmitted h2r5-turn-002930 03:18:26.530 --> 03:18:30.610 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: to Secretary Go by the Commissioner it h2r5-turn-002931 03:18:30.610 --> 03:18:43.190 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: certifies that from August to December 2025 the BIR collected 6.361 billion pesos and 85 centavos in VAT from non-resident digital services providers on h2r5-turn-002932 03:18:43.190 --> 03:18:44.590 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: business to consumer transactions h2r5-turn-002933 03:18:45.190 --> 03:18:49.730 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the 5 percent share for the creative industries is certified at 318 million h2r5-turn-002934 03:18:49.730 --> 03:18:56.330 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 82,096 pesos and 74 centavos so h2r5-turn-002935 03:18:56.330 --> 03:19:05.670 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: during last year's DBCC briefing Mr. Chair this representation secured commitments on the record that this 5 percent share would be implemented ang h2r5-turn-002936 03:19:05.670 --> 03:19:09.190 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: sabi po nila marireflect po ito sa NEP 2027 I h2r5-turn-002937 03:19:09.190 --> 03:19:12.770 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: will not name names today and I will only ask what we h2r5-turn-002938 03:19:13.330 --> 03:19:14.510 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: what we h2r5-turn-002939 03:19:14.510 --> 03:19:16.650 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: honor what was said so h2r5-turn-002940 03:19:16.650 --> 03:19:24.190 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: allow me respectfully to ask a few questions first to the Department of Finance to Secretary Go who h2r5-turn-002941 03:19:24.190 --> 03:19:29.290 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: is actually a good friend of my father's they played badminton before and I'd h2r5-turn-002942 03:19:29.290 --> 03:19:33.690 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: like to respectfully ask will the Department validate on the record that h2r5-turn-002943 03:19:33.690 --> 03:19:36.830 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 318,082,096 pesos h2r5-turn-002944 03:19:37.330 --> 03:19:40.770 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: has been collected and certified h2r5-turn-002945 03:19:41.330 --> 03:20:00.170 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and will you state that the total digital VAT collected to date including 2026 and the running 5 share the creative industries are owed so basically Mr. Secretary if you can confirm that certification from BIR and what is the number of collections to date. h2r5-turn-002946 03:20:02.630 --> 03:20:07.490 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you Mr. Chair Your Honor will verify just before I confirm h2r5-turn-002947 03:20:10.760 --> 03:20:11.400 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: ... h2r5-turn-002948 03:20:29.730 --> 03:20:34.370 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your honor, I think could we kindly indulge you to repeat the number just so that I h2r5-turn-002949 03:20:34.370 --> 03:20:36.230 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think there's some confusion h2r5-turn-002950 03:20:36.230 --> 03:20:37.410 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Yes h2r5-turn-002951 03:20:39.070 --> 03:20:43.110 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 318,082,096 pesos has h2r5-turn-002952 03:20:43.110 --> 03:20:45.190 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: been collected and certified so this is h2r5-turn-002953 03:20:46.830 --> 03:20:49.530 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Chair let me pull up the certification h2r5-turn-002954 03:20:50.330 --> 03:20:50.970 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I h2r5-turn-002955 03:20:59.840 --> 03:21:02.700 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think your number sounds correct h2r5-turn-002956 03:21:02.700 --> 03:21:03.300 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I'm h2r5-turn-002957 03:21:03.300 --> 03:21:05.000 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: sorry but we don't have a document to h2r5-turn-002958 03:21:05.660 --> 03:21:07.360 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: that has that exact number h2r5-turn-002959 03:21:08.260 --> 03:21:10.290 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Chair, Secretary Go... h2r5-turn-002959-split-2 03:21:10.290 --> 03:21:12.320 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes here h2r5-turn-002960 03:21:12.320 --> 03:21:14.420 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 318 million 082 h2r5-turn-002961 03:21:15.380 --> 03:21:16.880 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 096 h2r5-turn-002962 03:21:16.880 --> 03:21:22.160 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Yes from August to December 2025 there is certification signed by h2r5-turn-002963 03:21:22.160 --> 03:21:24.460 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes we are confirming, we are confirming, 318 million h2r5-turn-002964 03:21:25.270 --> 03:21:32.620 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and may we also have the number from because it's only until December 2025 the running collections to date h2r5-turn-002965 03:21:33.130 --> 03:21:34.620 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: even half a year if there's any h2r5-turn-002966 03:21:37.730 --> 03:21:41.040 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: so 5 percent of 9.4 billion h2r5-turn-002967 03:21:41.860 --> 03:21:42.288 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Okay h2r5-turn-002968 03:21:42.288 --> 03:21:43.572 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: thank you Mr. h2r5-turn-002969 03:21:43.572 --> 03:21:44.680 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Chair, second h2r5-turn-002970 03:21:44.680 --> 03:21:50.680 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: has a special account in the general fund for this been earmarked and created h2r5-turn-002971 03:21:51.920 --> 03:21:59.960 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: as of this hearing I can find no issuance from the DBM DOF or the treasury that creates it and I'll be happy to be corrected h2r5-turn-002972 03:22:00.640 --> 03:22:05.760 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Secretary Mr. Chair I believe may we also ask Mr. h2r5-turn-002973 03:22:07.240 --> 03:22:08.700 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Secretary of DBM h2r5-turn-002974 03:22:09.620 --> 03:22:15.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair your Honor based on records we are currently working with DTI for h2r5-turn-002975 03:22:15.040 --> 03:22:22.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the setting up of the respective UACS code so that the SAGF for this account to be properly established so h2r5-turn-002976 03:22:22.980 --> 03:22:26.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we're working with DTI on this matter your Honor h2r5-turn-002977 03:22:26.660 --> 03:22:37.100 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Thank you Mr. Chair and thank you Secretary Kim Once the account exists I just want to put on record that to h2r5-turn-002978 03:22:37.100 --> 03:22:40.240 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: answer to this will the 5 percent share flow h2r5-turn-002979 03:22:40.240 --> 03:22:44.960 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: as automatic appropriations given that it is a statutory earmark of h2r5-turn-002980 03:22:44.960 --> 03:22:46.740 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: a special fund if h2r5-turn-002981 03:22:46.740 --> 03:22:53.060 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the position of the DBM is that it requires annual appropriations cover I ask you to cite the legal basis please and h2r5-turn-002982 03:22:53.060 --> 03:22:55.980 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: to commit to reflecting the full amount either way so h2r5-turn-002983 03:22:55.980 --> 03:23:09.280 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: basically Mr. Chair the collections of this nakalagay po sa ating batas na dapat ilagay sa special fund na may special automatic appropriations pero nakolek po siya pero hindi pa na like h2r5-turn-002984 03:23:09.680 --> 03:23:11.300 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: create ang fund so h2r5-turn-002985 03:23:11.860 --> 03:23:21.000 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: we are asking our good Honorable Secretaries if they can commit that this will be created and if this will be funded automatically h2r5-turn-002986 03:23:23.020 --> 03:23:25.640 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please respond. h2r5-turn-002987 03:23:30.280 --> 03:23:37.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair your Honor will be conferring with our colleagues with DOF on the proper booking but we are also referring to h2r5-turn-002988 03:23:38.340 --> 03:23:46.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: section 19 of the law which created the creative industry development fund h2r5-turn-002989 03:23:47.120 --> 03:23:53.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: which refers to where possibly the funds will accrue but definitely your Honor we'll h2r5-turn-002990 03:23:53.160 --> 03:24:01.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: finalize as well and collaborate with our colleagues from the BTR and DOF to finalize the arrangement for the fund your Honor so h2r5-turn-002991 03:24:03.270 --> 03:24:07.870 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Chair I'd like to invite our colleagues on this ito h2r5-turn-002992 03:24:07.870 --> 03:24:11.710 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: po ay hindi tungkol sa gastos mismo pero h2r5-turn-002993 03:24:11.710 --> 03:24:15.030 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: ito tungkol sa ating talino at h2r5-turn-002994 03:24:15.030 --> 03:24:16.990 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: sa sining ng ating Pilipino h2r5-turn-002995 03:24:17.870 --> 03:24:27.810 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: I believe that we are a creative nation and if we invest in our creative industries as mentioned of gaano kalaki ang binibigay ng ating mga creative workforces h2r5-turn-002996 03:24:27.810 --> 03:24:29.870 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: from in h2r5-turn-002997 03:24:29.870 --> 03:24:31.650 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: all creative h2r5-turn-002998 03:24:31.650 --> 03:24:36.610 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: industries malaki po ang mabibigay na halaga para sa ating bansa para h2r5-turn-002999 03:24:36.610 --> 03:24:40.910 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: sama-sama nating isulong ang mas malikhaing kinabukasan para sa Pilipinas h2r5-turn-003000 03:24:41.690 --> 03:24:42.410 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you h2r5-turn-003001 03:24:42.410 --> 03:24:43.030 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Thank you h2r5-turn-003002 03:24:43.790 --> 03:24:47.010 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Benitez your time is up h2r5-turn-003003 03:24:47.870 --> 03:24:49.410 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: and we h2r5-turn-003004 03:24:49.410 --> 03:24:53.450 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: will monitor the creation of such fund as h2r5-turn-003005 03:24:55.610 --> 03:24:59.290 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: said by Secretary Kim maraming salamat po h2r5-turn-003006 03:25:00.290 --> 03:25:03.050 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: so next can h2r5-turn-003007 03:25:03.050 --> 03:25:04.610 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on the Honorable h2r5-turn-003008 03:25:05.570 --> 03:25:07.630 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Leila de Lima h2r5-turn-003009 03:25:07.630 --> 03:25:08.350 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ma'am please proceed h2r5-turn-003010 03:25:08.350 --> 03:25:10.510 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: maraming salamat po Mr. Chair good afternoon h2r5-turn-003011 03:25:11.910 --> 03:25:16.610 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: I'll start with unprogrammed appropriations just a few questions on h2r5-turn-003012 03:25:17.870 --> 03:25:21.450 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: UA items before I go to other items h2r5-turn-003013 03:25:21.450 --> 03:25:23.230 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: So sa UA, why does h2r5-turn-003014 03:25:24.480 --> 03:25:27.840 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the Executive Department insist on including h2r5-turn-003015 03:25:28.840 --> 03:25:31.220 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations in its annual NEP h2r5-turn-003016 03:25:31.220 --> 03:25:32.380 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: despite h2r5-turn-003017 03:25:33.120 --> 03:25:35.840 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: serious constitutional issues involved h2r5-turn-003018 03:25:36.840 --> 03:25:41.420 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: I think you are aware of the pending petitions before the Supreme Court there are four h2r5-turn-003019 03:25:41.420 --> 03:25:47.700 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: consolidated petitions before the Supreme Court questioning the constitutionality of h2r5-turn-003020 03:25:47.700 --> 03:25:50.540 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations so h2r5-turn-003021 03:25:50.540 --> 03:25:53.980 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: why is it always the mindset of h2r5-turn-003022 03:25:53.980 --> 03:25:56.280 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the Executive Department to include h2r5-turn-003023 03:25:57.120 --> 03:26:04.760 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations is the core position of the economic managers or the DBCC that h2r5-turn-003024 03:26:04.760 --> 03:26:08.960 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations are an h2r5-turn-003025 03:26:08.960 --> 03:26:09.920 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: absolute necessity h2r5-turn-003026 03:26:13.450 --> 03:26:14.590 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: kailangan po ba talaga h2r5-turn-003027 03:26:15.490 --> 03:26:21.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair your honor the inclusion of the unprogrammed appropriations in the h2r5-turn-003028 03:26:21.490 --> 03:26:24.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: National Expenditure Program recognizes both the h2r5-turn-003029 03:26:25.490 --> 03:26:31.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: need for the projects to be funded under the unprogrammed appropriations which by the very nature are h2r5-turn-003030 03:26:31.490 --> 03:26:39.970 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: still contingent and depending on the triggers as we have proposed in the NEP while we are cognizant that there are h2r5-turn-003031 03:26:39.970 --> 03:26:44.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: petitions being heard or heard by the Supreme Court the h2r5-turn-003032 03:26:44.950 --> 03:26:48.890 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Executive maintains but upon submission of the UA has h2r5-turn-003033 03:26:48.890 --> 03:26:49.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: limited the h2r5-turn-003034 03:26:49.870 --> 03:26:54.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proposed uses of the unprogrammed appropriations to h2r5-turn-003035 03:26:54.290 --> 03:26:55.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: only those which h2r5-turn-003036 03:26:55.870 --> 03:26:58.530 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: are really necessity for 2027 among h2r5-turn-003037 03:26:59.190 --> 03:27:03.170 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: others we have limited the proposed use to only four including h2r5-turn-003038 03:27:03.170 --> 03:27:07.750 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: those for foreign assisted projects that are not yet approved by h2r5-turn-003039 03:27:07.750 --> 03:27:10.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the ED Council at the time the budget was prepared h2r5-turn-003040 03:27:11.050 --> 03:27:12.370 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as well as for some h2r5-turn-003041 03:27:13.190 --> 03:27:17.230 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: contingency for risk management for our PPP projects and h2r5-turn-003042 03:27:17.230 --> 03:27:22.570 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the partial restoration of the fund balance of the PDIC Your Honor Mr. Chair h2r5-turn-003043 03:27:22.630 --> 03:27:26.430 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Yes, this representation does note the fact that comparatively compared h2r5-turn-003044 03:27:26.430 --> 03:27:30.470 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: with the UAs in the previous years the h2r5-turn-003045 03:27:30.470 --> 03:27:37.150 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: items now are lesser it seems that the Executive is now more circumspect about h2r5-turn-003046 03:27:37.150 --> 03:27:41.470 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the inclusion of unprogrammed appropriations in the in h2r5-turn-003047 03:27:41.470 --> 03:27:48.130 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the NEP because you know since the 2026 NEP deliberations this representation has h2r5-turn-003048 03:27:48.130 --> 03:27:50.330 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: been consistently opposing h2r5-turn-003049 03:27:51.390 --> 03:27:59.590 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations just to be very clear hindi ko po sinasabi na bawasan ito, hindi ko rin po sinasabi na i-zero ito h2r5-turn-003050 03:27:59.590 --> 03:28:04.970 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: pero ang pinaka-position ko po ay kailangan ho ay tanggalin nang tuluyan h2r5-turn-003051 03:28:04.970 --> 03:28:06.070 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: pero meron pa rin ho h2r5-turn-003052 03:28:06.070 --> 03:28:09.510 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: you know in the 2027 NEP we h2r5-turn-003053 03:28:09.510 --> 03:28:16.310 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: have the 57 billion for restoring the fund balances of the Philippine Deposit Insurance Corporation we h2r5-turn-003054 03:28:16.310 --> 03:28:20.490 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: have also the 42.553 billion for h2r5-turn-003055 03:28:20.490 --> 03:28:27.750 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: support to foreign assisted projects meron din po yung 3.6 billion for the program on risk management h2r5-turn-003056 03:28:27.750 --> 03:28:30.690 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Doon po sa restoring the fund balances of the PDIC h2r5-turn-003057 03:28:31.170 --> 03:28:33.090 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: hindi po ba fixed na po ang halaga nito? h2r5-turn-003058 03:28:33.550 --> 03:28:37.370 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Alam na po ang purpose, walang tanong, walang haka-haka h2r5-turn-003059 03:28:37.370 --> 03:28:42.890 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: so bakit po hindi ito nakalagay sa programmed appropriations na lang? h2r5-turn-003060 03:28:42.890 --> 03:28:43.911 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Since nandyan na h2r5-turn-003061 03:28:45.030 --> 03:28:53.582 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Is there any particular reason why you chose to put them in the unpaid in the unprogrammed appropriations item h2r5-turn-003062 03:28:53.582 --> 03:28:53.878 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Ganoon din po h2r5-turn-003063 03:28:53.878 --> 03:28:59.190 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: sa support to foreign assisted projects. Alin po sa mga proyekto nito ang h2r5-turn-003064 03:28:59.190 --> 03:29:02.940 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: perfected loan agreement na at h2r5-turn-003065 03:29:02.940 --> 03:29:06.360 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: ilan po ang inaasahang magiging be effective sa loob ng 2027 h2r5-turn-003066 03:29:06.360 --> 03:29:08.960 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: fiscal year h2r5-turn-003067 03:29:08.960 --> 03:29:10.910 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 2027 h2r5-turn-003068 03:29:10.910 --> 03:29:13.750 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: kung identified na po ang proyekto h2r5-turn-003069 03:29:13.750 --> 03:29:14.540 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: bakit h2r5-turn-003071 03:29:14.540 --> 03:29:19.380 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: hindi na lang ito ilagay ang funding directly sa the budget ng h2r5-turn-003072 03:29:19.380 --> 03:29:21.490 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: implementing agency h2r5-turn-003073 03:29:21.490 --> 03:29:22.330 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: I h2r5-turn-003074 03:29:22.330 --> 03:29:24.820 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: have really very serious constitutional question h2r5-turn-003075 03:29:24.820 --> 03:29:32.530 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: about unprogrammed appropriations foremost of which is an undue delegation of the Congress's power h2r5-turn-003076 03:29:32.530 --> 03:29:35.120 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: of the purse and h2r5-turn-003077 03:29:35.120 --> 03:29:39.410 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: isa pang tanong ko po bago nyo po sagutin yung mga una kong h2r5-turn-003078 03:29:39.410 --> 03:29:42.540 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: tanong paano po ba h2r5-turn-003079 03:29:42.540 --> 03:29:43.890 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: kung h2r5-turn-003080 03:29:43.890 --> 03:29:46.620 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: na-enact na po h2r5-turn-003081 03:29:46.620 --> 03:29:49.440 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 2027 GAA tapos h2r5-turn-003082 03:29:49.440 --> 03:29:53.000 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: ipawalang bisa o paliitin ng h2r5-turn-003083 03:29:53.000 --> 03:29:54.480 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: korte ang h2r5-turn-003084 03:29:54.480 --> 03:29:56.030 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: UA mechanism ano h2r5-turn-003085 03:29:56.030 --> 03:30:00.970 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: po ba ang contingency ng executive para sa budget execution may h2r5-turn-003086 03:30:00.970 --> 03:30:06.140 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the naihanda DBM in coordination with DOF h2r5-turn-003087 03:30:06.140 --> 03:30:07.340 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the h2r5-turn-003088 03:30:07.340 --> 03:30:10.200 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: alternative funding pathway have h2r5-turn-003089 03:30:11.540 --> 03:30:15.000 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: you thought of h2r5-turn-003090 03:30:15.000 --> 03:30:16.940 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: that possible h2r5-turn-003091 03:30:16.940 --> 03:30:17.090 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: scenario h2r5-turn-003092 03:30:17.820 --> 03:30:20.110 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim, please reply h2r5-turn-003093 03:30:20.170 --> 03:30:35.590 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair your honor as to the purposes mentioned by Your honor ito po ay nakabatay unlike po halimbawa sa PDIC Unlike sa PhilHealth po na meron na pong po ang directive ang Supreme Court, ito po ay isang standby lamang po na kung sakaling there will be a h2r5-turn-003094 03:30:35.590 --> 03:30:43.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: directive and the executive would stand ready to comply kung kailangan na po pong isauli ito pong fund h2r5-turn-003095 03:30:43.220 --> 03:30:46.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fund balances from PDIC as h2r5-turn-003096 03:30:46.110 --> 03:30:50.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to the observations of Your Honor on the foreign assisted projects, kung h2r5-turn-003097 03:30:50.600 --> 03:30:55.390 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mapapansin po ninyo sa National Expenditure program at nabanggit po namin kanina, the h2r5-turn-003098 03:30:55.390 --> 03:31:00.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: projects included here are the loan proceeds components of projects that are h2r5-turn-003099 03:31:00.060 --> 03:31:04.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: still under assessment of the ICC, the h2r5-turn-003100 03:31:04.600 --> 03:31:08.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ED Council, or those pending actual signing of the loan agreement. h2r5-turn-003101 03:31:09.040 --> 03:31:13.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: However, we wish to note, bagamat tama po ang observation ni Honorable De Lima na h2r5-turn-003102 03:31:13.940 --> 03:31:17.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: identified naman po yung projects covered by this one, h2r5-turn-003103 03:31:18.180 --> 03:31:31.446 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kaya yun po yung dahilan kung bakit po yung GOP or Government of the Philippines counterpart ay nasa loob na po ng program budget. Ito po ay para, yun nga po, maumpisahan na po h2r5-turn-003104 03:31:31.446 --> 03:31:35.029 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung mga necessary preliminary works, design works, kung sakaling mapirmahan na po h2r5-turn-003105 03:31:35.029 --> 03:31:38.200 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung loan agreement anytime by 2027. Pero bakit nga po ba h2r5-turn-003106 03:31:38.200 --> 03:31:42.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: inilagay pa muna po natin sa unprogrammed appropriations, h2r5-turn-003107 03:31:42.760 --> 03:31:45.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ito pong mga foreign assisted projects na wala pang h2r5-turn-003108 03:31:45.860 --> 03:31:51.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pirmadong loan agreement at the time we prepared the NEP. Kasi ito po without the certainty kung h2r5-turn-003109 03:31:51.660 --> 03:31:55.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kailan po mapipirmahan yung loan agreement by placing it inside the program, h2r5-turn-003110 03:31:55.920 --> 03:31:59.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: definitely may mababump off po ulit. h2r5-turn-003111 03:31:59.120 --> 03:32:00.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Because this is a zero-sum game, h2r5-turn-003112 03:32:01.080 --> 03:32:03.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it will still be part of the 7.2. Kung h2r5-turn-003113 03:32:03.960 --> 03:32:08.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi pa naman po ganun ka-certain kung kailan talaga mapipirmahan yung loan agreement, h2r5-turn-003114 03:32:09.080 --> 03:32:13.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay inilagay po muna siya doon sa unprogrammed appropriations. Dahil po yung h2r5-turn-003115 03:32:13.980 --> 03:32:24.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: inilagay po natin sa programmed appropriations, ay yun pong mga pirmado, ongoing na po, nating mga foreign assisted projects. As to the question, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-003116 03:32:24.780 --> 03:32:26.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: whether we h2r5-turn-003117 03:32:26.860 --> 03:32:33.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: are ready, kung magkaroon, man po ng desisyon ang Supreme Court, definitely po, the executive stands ready to h2r5-turn-003118 03:32:33.380 --> 03:32:36.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: comply with whatever decision h2r5-turn-003119 03:32:36.600 --> 03:32:41.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the Supreme Court will have on the pending case relative h2r5-turn-003120 03:32:41.120 --> 03:32:43.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to unprogrammed appropriations. h2r5-turn-003121 03:32:43.960 --> 03:32:51.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Gaya nga po ng nasabi natin, for instance, halimbawa, Mr. Chair, sa foreign assisted projects, yun naman pong ating h2r5-turn-003122 03:32:51.260 --> 03:33:02.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GOP counterpart para po dito sa mga proyektong nasa unprogrammed ay nandun po sa respective agency budget. So makapagsisimula pa rin naman po ng mga paunang gawain, what h2r5-turn-003123 03:33:02.040 --> 03:33:07.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we will have to work out, Your Honor, and prepare for is for the loan proceeds component because h2r5-turn-003124 03:33:07.040 --> 03:33:09.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: once the loan agreements are signed, h2r5-turn-003125 03:33:09.780 --> 03:33:13.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the respective loans will be deemed active at h2r5-turn-003126 03:33:13.860 --> 03:33:19.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kailangan din po nating maisagawa. Yun pong mga proyektong na i-commit po natin, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003127 03:33:20.080 --> 03:33:24.500 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: So wala pa po mga perfected loan agreements, h2r5-turn-003128 03:33:24.740 --> 03:33:27.800 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: itong nandito ngayon sa 2027 NEP. h2r5-turn-003129 03:33:27.800 --> 03:33:37.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For projects under the unprogrammed appropriations, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, yun po yung wala pa pong signed loan agreement. Those under the UA, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003130 03:33:37.780 --> 03:33:40.640 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Tungkol naman po sa UA releases in the past years, h2r5-turn-003131 03:33:41.300 --> 03:33:46.860 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: sinabi po ng DBCC sa fiscal risk statement na h2r5-turn-003132 03:33:46.860 --> 03:33:52.060 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: delayed ang mga foreign assisted projects dahil nilagay sila sa UA. Meron ho bang ganon? h2r5-turn-003133 03:33:53.860 --> 03:33:58.051 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Ano po ba yung mga foreign assisted projects h2r5-turn-003134 03:33:58.051 --> 03:33:59.425 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: na na-delay dahil h2r5-turn-003135 03:33:59.425 --> 03:34:02.840 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: nilagay sila sa UA? Are there situations like that? h2r5-turn-003136 03:34:03.120 --> 03:34:11.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, isa po sa pinaka mabilis po na example that we can cite doon po sa naapektuhan yung implementation na h2r5-turn-003137 03:34:11.720 --> 03:34:16.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: foreign assisted project, ay yun pong dalawang railway projects being implemented by h2r5-turn-003138 03:34:16.640 --> 03:34:20.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the DOTR. Dahil po sa pagbaba noon pong h2r5-turn-003139 03:34:20.140 --> 03:34:23.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allocation authorized in the GAA sa h2r5-turn-003140 03:34:23.780 --> 03:34:25.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: loan proceeds at sa h2r5-turn-003141 03:34:25.880 --> 03:34:31.360 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GOP counterpart, naka-apekto po ito doon po sa timely implementation of the projects. h2r5-turn-003142 03:34:31.600 --> 03:34:36.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mas malaki po, Your Honor, yung epekto nung pagbaba ng GOP counterpart dahil h2r5-turn-003143 03:34:36.400 --> 03:34:39.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kapag yung mga right-of-way acquisition necessary h2r5-turn-003144 03:34:39.440 --> 03:34:43.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for the implementation of the projects, Your Honor, yun pong maa-apektuhan, h2r5-turn-003145 03:34:43.860 --> 03:34:45.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it will cause a further delay. h2r5-turn-003146 03:34:46.040 --> 03:34:52.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Dahil kung hindi po ma-acquire yung right-of-way, hindi po makakapag-umpisa yung construction at h2r5-turn-003147 03:34:52.060 --> 03:34:55.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: makaka-apekto po ito sa overall status of the projects, h2r5-turn-003148 03:34:55.880 --> 03:34:56.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003148-split-2 03:34:56.100 --> 03:34:56.320 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: So they remain delayed? h2r5-turn-003149 03:34:59.040 --> 03:35:12.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya po may delay po itong mga projects ito. And that is also the reason why, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, if I may, yun po yung reason kung bakit talaga pong mataas din ngayon yung proposed level for h2r5-turn-003150 03:35:12.880 --> 03:35:15.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOTRs, NSCR, and MMSP para h2r5-turn-003151 03:35:15.960 --> 03:35:20.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nga po maisakatuparan yun pong ating target na partial operability, h2r5-turn-003152 03:35:20.160 --> 03:35:23.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: particularly of NSCR North segment by h2r5-turn-003153 03:35:23.720 --> 03:35:26.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: end of 2027, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003154 03:35:27.020 --> 03:35:27.520 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Thank you for that. h2r5-turn-003155 03:35:27.700 --> 03:35:33.060 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Let's go to fiscal transfers to LGUs on top of the NTA or h2r5-turn-003156 03:35:33.060 --> 03:35:34.400 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the National Tax Allotment. h2r5-turn-003157 03:35:35.100 --> 03:35:38.720 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Mr. Chair, the NTA rises h2r5-turn-003158 03:35:38.720 --> 03:35:41.960 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: from 1.19 trillion in h2r5-turn-003159 03:35:41.960 --> 03:35:44.160 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the 2026 GAA to h2r5-turn-003160 03:35:44.160 --> 03:35:47.420 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 1.32 trillion in the 2027 NEP. h2r5-turn-003161 03:35:48.000 --> 03:35:50.200 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: And of course, that is a statutory share. h2r5-turn-003162 03:35:50.560 --> 03:35:52.980 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: That is a statutory mandate. h2r5-turn-003163 03:35:53.200 --> 03:35:54.280 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: We understand that to be. h2r5-turn-003164 03:35:55.120 --> 03:35:56.340 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: But on top of that, h2r5-turn-003165 03:35:57.020 --> 03:36:04.640 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the NEP carries 58.5 billion under the LGSF. Ito na lang po yung mga magiging tanong ko for this h2r5-turn-003166 03:36:04.640 --> 03:36:06.340 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: round. h2r5-turn-003167 03:36:06.660 --> 03:36:09.460 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 9.7 billion for NTF-ELCAC. h2r5-turn-003168 03:36:09.960 --> 03:36:12.440 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 37.5 billion for FALGU. h2r5-turn-003169 03:36:12.840 --> 03:36:15.220 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 10.3 billion for the GEF. h2r5-turn-003170 03:36:15.720 --> 03:36:19.320 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: The GEF meaning the Growth Equity Fund. h2r5-turn-003171 03:36:20.000 --> 03:36:21.980 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Wala po sa mga batas ang mga ito. h2r5-turn-003172 03:36:23.100 --> 03:36:24.300 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: They're discretionary. h2r5-turn-003173 03:36:24.360 --> 03:36:34.460 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: But of course, if they are part of the GAA, then they are part of the law because GAA is a law, a general law. But before that, wala pong batas para sa mga ito. h2r5-turn-003174 03:36:34.840 --> 03:36:39.260 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Over and above what the Constitution and the Local Government Code already guarantee. h2r5-turn-003175 03:36:40.060 --> 03:36:43.340 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Sa inyo pong 2026 Fiscal Risk Statement, h2r5-turn-003176 03:36:44.340 --> 03:36:50.500 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: you can correct me po if I'm wrong, sinabi po nyo doon na sobra na ang mga pondo ng mga LGUs. h2r5-turn-003177 03:36:51.100 --> 03:36:52.240 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Tama po ba ito? h2r5-turn-003178 03:36:53.580 --> 03:36:55.740 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Honorable. h2r5-turn-003179 03:36:56.500 --> 03:36:59.600 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: De Lima, that will be the last question for this round. h2r5-turn-003180 03:37:00.200 --> 03:37:02.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Secretary Kim, please reply. h2r5-turn-003181 03:37:04.200 --> 03:37:11.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, relative to the observation of the Honorable De Lima on additional fiscal transfers to LGUs on h2r5-turn-003182 03:37:11.720 --> 03:37:12.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: top of NTA, h2r5-turn-003183 03:37:12.900 --> 03:37:20.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bagamat meron po tayong ma-obserbahan na pattern that probably for some higher income LGUs, there might be some h2r5-turn-003184 03:37:20.080 --> 03:37:24.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: possible surpluses or excess revenue or income. h2r5-turn-003185 03:37:25.380 --> 03:37:31.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yung inequality pa rin po across LGUs yung isang importante nating mapagtuunan ng pansin. h2r5-turn-003186 03:37:31.180 --> 03:37:34.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As a matter of fact, sa ngayon po, meron pa rin tayong mga h2r5-turn-003187 03:37:34.340 --> 03:37:37.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 4th and 5th class municipalities. That's why h2r5-turn-003188 03:37:37.300 --> 03:37:45.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kahit po nagkaroon po ng pagtaas ng NTA dahil sa ating implementasyon ng Mandanas-Garcia ruling ng Supreme Court, h2r5-turn-003189 03:37:45.660 --> 03:37:51.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nananatili pong hindi sapat ang national tax allotments po ng ating mga 4th and 5th class h2r5-turn-003190 03:37:51.100 --> 03:37:54.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: local government units. Ito po yung reason, Mr. h2r5-turn-003191 03:37:54.600 --> 03:37:55.420 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-003192 03:37:56.500 --> 03:37:58.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung bakit meron tayong growth equity fund. h2r5-turn-003193 03:37:58.520 --> 03:38:04.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po yung isang mekanismo under the executive order implementing the Mandanas-Garcia ruling para h2r5-turn-003194 03:38:04.460 --> 03:38:07.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: atin pong matulungan yung h2r5-turn-003195 03:38:07.440 --> 03:38:15.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: atin pong mga 4th and 5th class LGUs na matugunan yung mga actual devolved functions. As to the other h2r5-turn-003196 03:38:15.220 --> 03:38:17.200 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: items under the local... h2r5-turn-003197 03:38:17.200 --> 03:38:19.460 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: So you're not confirming na h2r5-turn-003198 03:38:19.460 --> 03:38:22.420 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: sumusobra ng pondo para sa mga LGUs? h2r5-turn-003199 03:38:22.900 --> 03:38:38.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Well, we are not saying that in general, Your Honor, because... probably at an aggregate level, pero pag titignan po natin at hihimayin on a per-income classification, definitely the lower income LGUs still require some level of assistance from h2r5-turn-003200 03:38:38.740 --> 03:38:41.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the national government. Even the transition po h2r5-turn-003201 03:38:41.140 --> 03:38:48.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: under the executive order is different for those 4th and 5th class local government units, Mr. Chair, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003202 03:38:49.040 --> 03:38:49.640 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Thank h2r5-turn-003203 03:38:49.640 --> 03:38:50.280 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: you. My time h2r5-turn-003204 03:38:50.280 --> 03:38:50.740 Rep. Leila M. de Lima: is up. h2r5-turn-003205 03:38:51.180 --> 03:38:51.960 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat po. h2r5-turn-003206 03:38:52.260 --> 03:38:53.060 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat po. h2r5-turn-003207 03:38:54.000 --> 03:38:57.160 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Honorable De Lima. Thank you, Secretary Kim. h2r5-turn-003208 03:38:57.780 --> 03:39:01.300 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now move to the next congressman h2r5-turn-003209 03:39:02.620 --> 03:39:07.160 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: that will ask questions. May we call on Representative h2r5-turn-003210 03:39:07.160 --> 03:39:09.240 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Mark Cojuangco? h2r5-turn-003211 03:39:12.450 --> 03:39:12.990 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Mark? h2r5-turn-003212 03:39:14.880 --> 03:39:15.400 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Sorry. h2r5-turn-003213 03:39:15.660 --> 03:39:16.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed. h2r5-turn-003214 03:39:16.920 --> 03:39:17.560 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Thank you. h2r5-turn-003215 03:39:20.630 --> 03:39:26.050 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Comments from Secretary Frederick Go of DOF, h2r5-turn-003216 03:39:26.870 --> 03:39:28.590 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Kim Delin of DBM, h2r5-turn-003217 03:39:29.370 --> 03:39:33.490 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Secretary Kim Delin, Secretary Arsenio Balisacan, of h2r5-turn-003218 03:39:33.490 --> 03:39:34.290 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: DepDev h2r5-turn-003219 03:39:35.150 --> 03:39:36.410 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Question ko po, h2r5-turn-003220 03:39:37.550 --> 03:39:39.670 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: nabanggit po yung right of way h2r5-turn-003221 03:39:39.670 --> 03:39:40.470 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: kanina. h2r5-turn-003222 03:39:43.720 --> 03:39:45.700 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: If a congressman h2r5-turn-003223 03:39:45.700 --> 03:39:50.360 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: wants to concentrate on right of way so h2r5-turn-003224 03:39:50.360 --> 03:39:52.860 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: that all his h2r5-turn-003225 03:39:52.860 --> 03:39:56.360 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: intended projects already h2r5-turn-003226 03:39:56.360 --> 03:39:57.660 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: have right of way h2r5-turn-003227 03:39:57.660 --> 03:40:00.540 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: for succeeding years, h2r5-turn-003228 03:40:01.240 --> 03:40:02.340 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: is it possible? h2r5-turn-003229 03:40:02.640 --> 03:40:03.120 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Can... h2r5-turn-003230 03:40:03.600 --> 03:40:04.080 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Can... h2r5-turn-003231 03:40:04.100 --> 03:40:08.600 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Can the budget be made to... Because real h2r5-turn-003232 03:40:08.600 --> 03:40:11.760 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: estate values are going up all h2r5-turn-003233 03:40:11.760 --> 03:40:12.320 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the time. h2r5-turn-003234 03:40:13.040 --> 03:40:17.640 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: And eventually, it becomes too expensive, no? For h2r5-turn-003235 03:40:17.640 --> 03:40:19.300 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the project to be viable. h2r5-turn-003236 03:40:20.020 --> 03:40:21.360 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Second question is, h2r5-turn-003237 03:40:22.060 --> 03:40:24.440 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: what about open spaces for h2r5-turn-003238 03:40:24.440 --> 03:40:25.920 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: barangays? h2r5-turn-003239 03:40:26.760 --> 03:40:30.640 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Will the DOF and the DBM allow this? h2r5-turn-003240 03:40:32.660 --> 03:40:35.120 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Yun lang muna. Yun lang muna, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003241 03:40:36.670 --> 03:40:37.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes. h2r5-turn-003241-split-2 03:40:37.220 --> 03:40:37.480 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ah h2r5-turn-003242 03:40:37.480 --> 03:40:37.860 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim h2r5-turn-003243 03:40:38.220 --> 03:40:49.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, as to right of way acquisition, yun pong ating dalawang pinakamalaking infrastructure agencies, particularly DPWH and DOTR, h2r5-turn-003244 03:40:49.420 --> 03:40:56.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay meron pong karampatang appropriations every year for right of way acquisition precisely h2r5-turn-003245 03:40:56.020 --> 03:40:57.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to prepare for h2r5-turn-003246 03:40:57.840 --> 03:41:01.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the projects that it intends to implement. Sa akibat po ito ng kanilang h2r5-turn-003247 03:41:01.940 --> 03:41:11.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: site development and preparation, kasabay na rin po kung meron pong karampatang feasibility studies to prepare for the respective projects. Hindi h2r5-turn-003248 03:41:11.380 --> 03:41:16.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po ganun ang naging implementation in past years. h2r5-turn-003249 03:41:17.180 --> 03:41:21.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ang nangyari po, binabarat ang right h2r5-turn-003250 03:41:21.060 --> 03:41:21.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of way. h2r5-turn-003251 03:41:22.160 --> 03:41:24.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Meron ngang may h2r5-turn-003252 03:41:24.060 --> 03:41:29.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: civil works na walang right of way. So, hindi implementable ang h2r5-turn-003253 03:41:29.340 --> 03:41:29.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: project. h2r5-turn-003254 03:41:30.580 --> 03:41:35.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, we want to reverse that situation. We want, if h2r5-turn-003255 03:41:35.920 --> 03:41:40.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the representative of the district wants to h2r5-turn-003256 03:41:40.180 --> 03:41:44.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: buy all the right of way before any h2r5-turn-003257 03:41:44.040 --> 03:41:48.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: appropriations are made for civil works, is that a possibility? h2r5-turn-003258 03:41:50.850 --> 03:41:58.130 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As to possibility, Your Honor, yun po yung idea. Na ready po dapat yung right of way. Baka po ang problema is if the h2r5-turn-003259 03:41:58.130 --> 03:42:09.250 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: issue is a matter of settling or paying for the right of way, meron po kasi tayong sinusunod na batas. On how government will acquire right of way in the valuation. That's not h2r5-turn-003260 03:42:09.250 --> 03:42:10.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the problem, sir. h2r5-turn-003260-split-2 03:42:10.190 --> 03:42:12.030 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: The problem was in previous h2r5-turn-003261 03:42:12.030 --> 03:42:17.730 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: GAA discussions in Congress, h2r5-turn-003262 03:42:18.850 --> 03:42:24.010 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: DPWH always insisted that only a certain percentage of h2r5-turn-003263 03:42:24.010 --> 03:42:27.630 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: total project costs could be allocated to right of way. h2r5-turn-003264 03:42:28.250 --> 03:42:28.970 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So now, h2r5-turn-003265 03:42:29.230 --> 03:42:34.290 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: this representation wants to ascertain that h2r5-turn-003266 03:42:34.290 --> 03:42:35.710 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: that's open. Then, h2r5-turn-003267 03:42:35.710 --> 03:42:38.170 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: it's up to the initiative of the h2r5-turn-003268 03:42:38.170 --> 03:42:39.530 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: representation h2r5-turn-003269 03:42:42.190 --> 03:42:42.790 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: what h2r5-turn-003270 03:42:42.790 --> 03:42:45.930 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: he wants to do with public h2r5-turn-003271 03:42:45.930 --> 03:42:50.010 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: works. Is it okay for him to buy ahead h2r5-turn-003272 03:42:50.010 --> 03:42:52.090 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the h2r5-turn-003273 03:42:52.090 --> 03:42:52.730 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: right of way? h2r5-turn-003274 03:42:57.470 --> 03:43:07.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That specific example, Your Honor, of buying ahead a right of way before DPWH implements, I'm afraid we cannot... h2r5-turn-003274-split-2 03:43:07.630 --> 03:43:07.710 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: No, no, h2r5-turn-003275 03:43:07.710 --> 03:43:08.190 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: no, sir. h2r5-turn-003276 03:43:08.590 --> 03:43:10.510 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: You misunderstand me h2r5-turn-003277 03:43:11.030 --> 03:43:13.550 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Is it okay for the representative h2r5-turn-003278 03:43:13.550 --> 03:43:15.110 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: to h2r5-turn-003279 03:43:15.110 --> 03:43:19.950 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: request that his budget for his district has h2r5-turn-003280 03:43:19.950 --> 03:43:28.170 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: an item for DPWH to buy the right of way even if there is no civil works component h2r5-turn-003281 03:43:28.170 --> 03:43:29.430 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: of it? h2r5-turn-003282 03:43:30.130 --> 03:43:38.710 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, the right of way budget of DPWH, as we have always proposed naman po, is a lump sum. So, it depends on the h2r5-turn-003283 03:43:38.710 --> 03:43:47.650 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DPWH. As to the prioritization, kung ano po yung mauunahin po nila. However, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, may we just highlight that h2r5-turn-003284 03:43:47.650 --> 03:43:48.390 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: historically, h2r5-turn-003285 03:43:48.930 --> 03:43:51.790 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: baka po isa rin kasi po sa reason kung bakit po may h2r5-turn-003286 03:43:51.790 --> 03:43:57.430 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: issue during implementation dahil po nababawasan po yung right of way funds from h2r5-turn-003287 03:43:57.430 --> 03:44:00.090 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the NEP level that we proposed as h2r5-turn-003288 03:44:00.090 --> 03:44:06.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to the final level po that is approved when the GAA is passed. So, marahil isa po yun sa consideration. h2r5-turn-003289 03:44:06.630 --> 03:44:10.590 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: And in fact, Mr. Secretary, it may be lacking. h2r5-turn-003290 03:44:11.310 --> 03:44:16.970 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, what is wrong with increasing the allocation for right of way? h2r5-turn-003291 03:44:17.970 --> 03:44:24.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We fully support, Your Honor. In fact, we are proposing higher level of right of way every year under the NEP. h2r5-turn-003292 03:44:24.610 --> 03:44:29.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Unfortunately, Your Honor, nababawasan po every year din po yung right of way from h2r5-turn-003293 03:44:29.450 --> 03:44:31.430 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: our initial proposal for DPWH. h2r5-turn-003294 03:44:32.590 --> 03:44:37.390 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, yes, at least we agree in principle, Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-003295 03:44:38.090 --> 03:44:42.230 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: What about spaces, open spaces in barangays. h2r5-turn-003296 03:44:42.650 --> 03:44:56.530 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: We see monies being appropriated for multipurpose buildings, gymnasiums, schoolhouses, barangay halls, and there's no place to build them. h2r5-turn-003297 03:44:56.970 --> 03:45:01.070 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: And so, maski na papaano na lang sinisingit h2r5-turn-003298 03:45:01.070 --> 03:45:05.750 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: yung mga structures in a very haphazard way, h2r5-turn-003299 03:45:05.990 --> 03:45:07.970 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-003300 03:45:08.350 --> 03:45:09.610 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: ... h2r5-turn-003300-split-2 03:45:09.610 --> 03:45:34.910 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor. Our capacity to assist our local government units, not only barangays, but all levels of local government units, makikita po natin yan in the form of the infra projects. However, we're very constrained in providing support for land acquisition because of local autonomy. So, hindi po nagpupondo ang national government ng land acquisition for the use of our local government. h2r5-turn-003301 03:45:34.910 --> 03:45:39.083 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: This representation doesn't see the rationale for that. But, Your h2r5-turn-003302 03:45:39.083 --> 03:45:43.650 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Honor, so maybe that can be a topic for discussion. h2r5-turn-003303 03:45:48.100 --> 03:45:48.950 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr. Chairman, h2r5-turn-003304 03:45:49.250 --> 03:45:53.790 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: next question would be for DOF and DEPDEV. h2r5-turn-003305 03:45:54.850 --> 03:46:01.430 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Is energy generation or electricity generation classified as infrastructure? h2r5-turn-003306 03:46:08.290 --> 03:46:15.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yes, it is. But it is under our system. This is largely a private sector. h2r5-turn-003307 03:46:16.870 --> 03:46:18.070 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Investment, Mr. h2r5-turn-003308 03:46:18.170 --> 03:46:18.370 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. h2r5-turn-003309 03:46:18.790 --> 03:46:22.570 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Which it doesn't have to be. We are legislators here. h2r5-turn-003310 03:46:22.790 --> 03:46:24.570 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, we can write a new law. h2r5-turn-003311 03:46:25.030 --> 03:46:27.090 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, it doesn't have to be. h2r5-turn-003312 03:46:28.550 --> 03:46:29.150 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: May h2r5-turn-003313 03:46:29.150 --> 03:46:32.670 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: I know what is the multiplier effect of h2r5-turn-003314 03:46:32.670 --> 03:46:34.290 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: electric h2r5-turn-003315 03:46:34.290 --> 03:46:35.510 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: generating h2r5-turn-003316 03:46:35.510 --> 03:46:36.250 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: capacity? h2r5-turn-003317 03:46:37.790 --> 03:46:40.710 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Is this not among the highest? h2r5-turn-003318 03:46:42.390 --> 03:46:48.190 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Does this not have among the highest multiplier effect? Because electricity h2r5-turn-003319 03:46:48.190 --> 03:46:52.590 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: is an enabler of economic activity? h2r5-turn-003320 03:46:56.590 --> 03:47:01.510 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I would think so. As I indicated this morning, h2r5-turn-003321 03:47:01.830 --> 03:47:03.210 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. h2r5-turn-003322 03:47:03.830 --> 03:47:09.250 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, one of the most binding constraints to growth to industrialization, h2r5-turn-003323 03:47:09.850 --> 03:47:12.910 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as pointed out by many state investors, h2r5-turn-003324 03:47:13.850 --> 03:47:16.710 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is the high cost of electricity. h2r5-turn-003325 03:47:17.110 --> 03:47:18.321 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, if we can, h2r5-turn-003326 03:47:18.321 --> 03:47:21.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if the investment, is able to reduce that cost, h2r5-turn-003327 03:47:21.830 --> 03:47:25.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: then the multiplier effects on the economy would be expected to be high. h2r5-turn-003328 03:47:28.090 --> 03:47:28.770 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr. h2r5-turn-003329 03:47:28.770 --> 03:47:29.450 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Chairman, h2r5-turn-003330 03:47:30.170 --> 03:47:33.410 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: this representation would like for h2r5-turn-003331 03:47:33.410 --> 03:47:36.810 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the information of all our colleagues who are here, h2r5-turn-003332 03:47:37.490 --> 03:47:39.730 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: for them to know that h2r5-turn-003333 03:47:39.730 --> 03:47:41.710 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: we h2r5-turn-003334 03:47:41.710 --> 03:47:44.150 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: used to be ahead of Vietnam in h2r5-turn-003335 03:47:44.150 --> 03:47:46.090 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: terms of total generating capacity. h2r5-turn-003336 03:47:47.110 --> 03:47:48.470 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Vietnam has h2r5-turn-003337 03:47:48.470 --> 03:47:51.274 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: a slightly smaller, smaller population than h2r5-turn-003338 03:47:51.274 --> 03:47:53.490 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the Philippines. But h2r5-turn-003339 03:47:53.490 --> 03:47:57.270 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: did you know that Vietnam today has h2r5-turn-003340 03:47:57.270 --> 03:47:59.610 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: over three times our h2r5-turn-003341 03:47:59.610 --> 03:48:01.930 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: generating capacity at h2r5-turn-003342 03:48:01.930 --> 03:48:03.870 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: 68,000 megawatts? h2r5-turn-003343 03:48:04.290 --> 03:48:05.070 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Tayo po, h2r5-turn-003344 03:48:05.210 --> 03:48:09.210 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: nasa around 22,000 megawatts lang. h2r5-turn-003345 03:48:09.970 --> 03:48:12.630 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, napag-iwanan na po tayo. h2r5-turn-003346 03:48:13.250 --> 03:48:15.790 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: And this is, in h2r5-turn-003347 03:48:15.790 --> 03:48:18.630 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: my observation, a h2r5-turn-003348 03:48:18.630 --> 03:48:19.570 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: greater, h2r5-turn-003349 03:48:19.690 --> 03:48:22.090 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: effect of the EPIRA law. h2r5-turn-003350 03:48:22.350 --> 03:48:26.150 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, EPIRA has failed the Philippines from h2r5-turn-003351 03:48:26.150 --> 03:48:27.350 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the time it was h2r5-turn-003352 03:48:27.350 --> 03:48:29.010 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: conceived of. h2r5-turn-003353 03:48:29.910 --> 03:48:32.130 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: It is time to write h2r5-turn-003354 03:48:32.130 --> 03:48:34.010 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: laws that h2r5-turn-003355 03:48:34.010 --> 03:48:37.330 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: maybe should consider 100 percent h2r5-turn-003356 03:48:39.570 --> 03:48:45.450 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: government ownership for generating capacity, especially for h2r5-turn-003357 03:48:45.450 --> 03:48:47.810 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: nuclear generating capacity. h2r5-turn-003358 03:48:48.210 --> 03:48:51.070 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: I would like to, I h2r5-turn-003359 03:48:51.070 --> 03:48:51.570 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: am h2r5-turn-003360 03:48:51.570 --> 03:48:55.150 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: announcing that I am available for h2r5-turn-003361 03:48:55.150 --> 03:48:56.210 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the h2r5-turn-003362 03:48:56.210 --> 03:48:58.530 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: executive to discuss this matter. h2r5-turn-003363 03:48:59.270 --> 03:49:00.390 Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. h2r5-turn-003364 03:49:00.730 --> 03:49:03.190 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Cong. Mark. h2r5-turn-003365 03:49:04.070 --> 03:49:05.630 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And can Sec. Arsi h2r5-turn-003366 03:49:07.070 --> 03:49:09.610 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: reply to the last comment. h2r5-turn-003367 03:49:09.830 --> 03:49:10.550 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We h2r5-turn-003368 03:49:10.550 --> 03:49:16.750 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: will welcome to hear the discussion with the Honorable Congressman. h2r5-turn-003369 03:49:17.110 --> 03:49:19.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I also would like to to h2r5-turn-003370 03:49:19.570 --> 03:49:20.930 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mention, h2r5-turn-003371 03:49:21.670 --> 03:49:23.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair, that a h2r5-turn-003372 03:49:23.970 --> 03:49:29.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: few weeks ago, World Bank just released a report, h2r5-turn-003373 03:49:29.390 --> 03:49:32.450 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: an update on the Philippine economy with a special section on h2r5-turn-003374 03:49:32.450 --> 03:49:35.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: electricity and power h2r5-turn-003375 03:49:35.270 --> 03:49:36.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: market. h2r5-turn-003376 03:49:36.470 --> 03:49:39.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And they identified, that study identified h2r5-turn-003377 03:49:40.730 --> 03:49:44.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: where this high cost of power in the Philippines are coming from. h2r5-turn-003378 03:49:45.650 --> 03:49:52.090 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Which, what is contributed by generating or what is contributed by delays in the h2r5-turn-003379 03:49:52.090 --> 03:49:54.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: implementation h2r5-turn-003380 03:49:54.650 --> 03:49:56.610 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of projects, h2r5-turn-003381 03:49:57.030 --> 03:50:00.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: whether these are for generating capacity or distribution. And h2r5-turn-003382 03:50:00.970 --> 03:50:01.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what is h2r5-turn-003383 03:50:01.430 --> 03:50:04.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also might h2r5-turn-003384 03:50:04.130 --> 03:50:09.350 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: have be contributed by the lack or the abuse of market power, particularly the h2r5-turn-003385 03:50:09.350 --> 03:50:15.250 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: lack of the in complete implementation h2r5-turn-003386 03:50:15.630 --> 03:50:21.370 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of the retail competition or competition of the retail competition, in the retail end of the market. So h2r5-turn-003387 03:50:21.370 --> 03:50:22.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that h2r5-turn-003388 03:50:22.150 --> 03:50:28.090 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is I think a very good study that we should look at and should inform the kind of h2r5-turn-003389 03:50:29.410 --> 03:50:33.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reforms in the EPIRA because the details are there. h2r5-turn-003390 03:50:34.270 --> 03:50:35.370 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair thank you. h2r5-turn-003391 03:50:35.430 --> 03:50:38.190 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you Sec. Arsi. Can you h2r5-turn-003392 03:50:38.580 --> 03:50:43.830 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: give us a copy of this World Bank report so the committee can study it further? h2r5-turn-003393 03:50:44.250 --> 03:50:45.550 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I will, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003394 03:50:45.870 --> 03:50:47.010 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat po. h2r5-turn-003395 03:50:49.290 --> 03:50:49.890 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, h2r5-turn-003396 03:50:49.890 --> 03:50:51.390 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: next may we h2r5-turn-003397 03:50:53.230 --> 03:50:56.730 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: call on Representative Robert Nazal. h2r5-turn-003398 03:50:57.170 --> 03:51:00.430 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Mr. Chair, just a quick manifestation before my time starts. h2r5-turn-003399 03:51:02.130 --> 03:51:08.970 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Before I proceed with my questions to the DBCC, I would like to manifest my support for the proposal of Cong. Toby Tiangco and h2r5-turn-003400 03:51:08.970 --> 03:51:12.990 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Cong. Egay Erice for an open and transparent discussion of the budget of h2r5-turn-003401 03:51:12.990 --> 03:51:13.950 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the House of Representatives. h2r5-turn-003402 03:51:14.670 --> 03:51:20.330 Rep. Roberto Nazal: We should subject our own budget to the same scrutiny we require of other government agencies. h2r5-turn-003403 03:51:20.810 --> 03:51:21.850 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003404 03:51:22.230 --> 03:51:23.670 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, to the DBM, h2r5-turn-003405 03:51:24.710 --> 03:51:26.370 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'd like to proceed with my question. h2r5-turn-003406 03:51:27.210 --> 03:51:32.650 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Does the President's veto message itself contain all the additional release conditions imposed h2r5-turn-003407 03:51:33.290 --> 03:51:35.890 Rep. Roberto Nazal: by NBC 595 on h2r5-turn-003408 03:51:35.890 --> 03:51:37.410 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the Congress introduced amendments? h2r5-turn-003409 03:51:38.790 --> 03:51:42.690 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung pwede pong yes or no, please, para mapabilis lang tayo. h2r5-turn-003410 03:51:45.430 --> 03:51:50.010 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, may we ask for the good congressman to repeat the question, please? h2r5-turn-003411 03:51:50.150 --> 03:51:54.230 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung doon po ba sa veto message ni h2r5-turn-003412 03:51:54.230 --> 03:51:59.150 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Presidente for the budget of 2025, h2r5-turn-003413 03:52:01.010 --> 03:52:05.730 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nakakalagay po ba doon yung additional release conditions imposed by NBC 595? h2r5-turn-003414 03:52:06.750 --> 03:52:14.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: On the veto message, Your Honor, it stated that the release is subject to usual DBM rules and regulations, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003415 03:52:15.190 --> 03:52:18.430 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero wala po yung specifics nung NBC 595? h2r5-turn-003416 03:52:20.150 --> 03:52:26.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, because the NBC was issued precisely to implement the veto message, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003417 03:52:26.830 --> 03:52:30.490 Rep. Roberto Nazal: What is the legal basis for adding that, those specifics? h2r5-turn-003418 03:52:30.930 --> 03:52:34.050 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung mga dinagdag po natin doon sa NBC 595? h2r5-turn-003419 03:52:34.650 --> 03:52:40.590 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, the documents listed in the National Budget Circular are the usual h2r5-turn-003420 03:52:40.590 --> 03:52:46.390 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: documents that proves the implementation readiness of the project. As we may note, h2r5-turn-003421 03:52:46.610 --> 03:52:51.170 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: this was imposed because these are projects, that were not originally h2r5-turn-003422 03:52:52.090 --> 03:52:54.790 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: evaluated during the budget preparation process. h2r5-turn-003423 03:52:55.110 --> 03:52:59.590 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's why the DBM is requiring the agencies to submit the same for h2r5-turn-003424 03:52:59.590 --> 03:53:01.250 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: projects that were not h2r5-turn-003425 03:53:01.250 --> 03:53:06.410 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: vetted during the NEP, but were included in the final GAA, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003426 03:53:06.610 --> 03:53:15.530 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So marami pong, ang sinasabi nyo po, maraming hindi na-comply, kaya natin nilagay doon sa NBC. Anyway, I won't dwell on that for now. h2r5-turn-003427 03:53:16.210 --> 03:53:20.850 Rep. Roberto Nazal: What is the specific legal basis for placing under FISA projects h2r5-turn-003428 03:53:20.850 --> 03:53:25.110 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that were already specific line items in the Fiscal h2r5-turn-003429 03:53:25.110 --> 03:53:26.990 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Year 2026 NEP and h2r5-turn-003430 03:53:26.990 --> 03:53:31.230 Rep. Roberto Nazal: were retained in the Fiscal Year 2026 GAA since h2r5-turn-003431 03:53:31.230 --> 03:53:34.810 Rep. Roberto Nazal: they were neither Congressional Amendments nor lump sum items, h2r5-turn-003432 03:53:35.110 --> 03:53:36.570 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nor had h2r5-turn-003433 03:53:36.570 --> 03:53:37.990 Rep. Roberto Nazal: conditions attached to it h2r5-turn-003434 03:53:37.990 --> 03:53:39.510 Rep. Roberto Nazal: doon sa GAA. h2r5-turn-003435 03:53:39.710 --> 03:53:43.770 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So what prevented their comprehensive release and h2r5-turn-003436 03:53:43.770 --> 03:53:45.190 Rep. Roberto Nazal: required a separate SARO? h2r5-turn-003437 03:53:46.390 --> 03:53:51.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, if this is specifically for 2026, h2r5-turn-003438 03:53:52.570 --> 03:53:58.890 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there were changes specifically for the coordinates introduced for these projects, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-003439 03:53:59.070 --> 03:54:01.650 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: different from the NEP. h2r5-turn-003440 03:54:01.870 --> 03:54:09.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's why it has to be vetted again before the respective allotment orders were released by the DBM. Mr. Chair, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003441 03:54:09.670 --> 03:54:11.870 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, coordinates lang po yung naging h2r5-turn-003442 03:54:13.370 --> 03:54:14.410 Rep. Roberto Nazal: issue, nagbago? h2r5-turn-003443 03:54:14.630 --> 03:54:21.370 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Among others, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, project title, meron po kasing yung iba, nagbago po yung barangay o yung munisipal? h2r5-turn-003444 03:54:21.370 --> 03:54:22.250 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Papano po yung hindi? h2r5-turn-003445 03:54:22.590 --> 03:54:24.330 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Papano yung wala naman nagbago? h2r5-turn-003446 03:54:25.510 --> 03:54:26.510 Rep. Roberto Nazal: There were no h2r5-turn-003447 03:54:27.850 --> 03:54:28.430 Rep. Roberto Nazal: changes. h2r5-turn-003448 03:54:31.800 --> 03:54:32.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi naman po h2r5-turn-003449 03:54:32.860 --> 03:54:38.120 Rep. Roberto Nazal: siya lump sum, hindi siya amend, wala siya, hindi siya Congressional Amendment, tapos walang condition attached. h2r5-turn-003450 03:54:38.520 --> 03:54:39.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero hindi h2r5-turn-003451 03:54:39.900 --> 03:54:40.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pa rin h2r5-turn-003452 03:54:41.340 --> 03:54:42.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: siya na-release. h2r5-turn-003453 03:54:43.220 --> 03:54:48.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, there are also types such as those with increased allocation. h2r5-turn-003454 03:54:49.460 --> 03:54:53.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So that's also one of the reasons. Kung bakit po siya na-subject to FISARO. And h2r5-turn-003455 03:54:53.800 --> 03:54:54.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there are also some h2r5-turn-003456 03:54:54.720 --> 03:55:03.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: provisions that really requires compliance with the respective special provisions. Kaya rin po ito naka-identify as FISARO items. h2r5-turn-003457 03:55:03.660 --> 03:55:03.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Anyway, Mr. h2r5-turn-003458 03:55:05.220 --> 03:55:08.640 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Secretary, Mr. Chair, may we request for a list h2r5-turn-003459 03:55:09.440 --> 03:55:13.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: from the DBM kung ano po yung specific na dahilan kung bakit h2r5-turn-003460 03:55:13.620 --> 03:55:15.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: na-classify siya as FISARO? h2r5-turn-003461 03:55:15.940 --> 03:55:18.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will submit, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003462 03:55:18.320 --> 03:55:24.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Anyway, next question. Since the DBM's subsequently issued SAROs for these FLRs, h2r5-turn-003463 03:55:24.680 --> 03:55:26.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: specifically on March 2025, h2r5-turn-003464 03:55:27.280 --> 03:55:29.460 Rep. Roberto Nazal: meron po tayo mga ni h2r5-turn-003465 03:55:29.460 --> 03:55:30.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: -release na FLR. h2r5-turn-003466 03:55:30.660 --> 03:55:33.920 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Meaning na-comply po ang requirements sa NBC 595. h2r5-turn-003467 03:55:34.900 --> 03:55:40.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Tama po ba na may approval ng Presidente at may DPWH certification na shovel-ready or h2r5-turn-003468 03:55:40.580 --> 03:55:43.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: implementation-ready ang mga projects na ito? h2r5-turn-003469 03:55:44.580 --> 03:55:53.360 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, based on records, the release of these items were facilitated upon compliance of DPWH doon po sa ating mga requirements, h2r5-turn-003470 03:55:53.720 --> 03:55:58.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: including the necessary approval from the President, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003471 03:55:58.240 --> 03:56:01.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, na-attain po lahat nung requirements doon sa NBC 595? h2r5-turn-003472 03:56:02.700 --> 03:56:04.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For these items? h2r5-turn-003472-split-2 03:56:04.480 --> 03:56:04.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: For h2r5-turn-003473 03:56:04.600 --> 03:56:05.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: those specific items? h2r5-turn-003474 03:56:06.060 --> 03:56:09.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on records, meron pong submission ng DPWH, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003475 03:56:10.580 --> 03:56:16.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Once a SARO is issued, the allotment and obligational authority have already been released. Is that correct? h2r5-turn-003476 03:56:17.700 --> 03:56:21.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The SARO is the obligational authority, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003477 03:56:22.380 --> 03:56:22.900 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, h2r5-turn-003478 03:56:22.900 --> 03:56:25.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pwede pa ba sabihin ng ahensya na walang pondo ito? h2r5-turn-003479 03:56:26.040 --> 03:56:28.420 Rep. Roberto Nazal: From the standpoint of an allotment authority? h2r5-turn-003480 03:56:32.330 --> 03:56:34.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, yung... Once a SARO h2r5-turn-003481 03:56:34.150 --> 03:56:34.550 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is released. h2r5-turn-003482 03:56:34.750 --> 03:56:43.570 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yung allotment po kasi, Mr. Chair, Your Honor, is already the obligational authority. So, on the part of DBM, it is considered released na po. h2r5-turn-003483 03:56:43.870 --> 03:56:44.910 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay. To the agency. h2r5-turn-003484 03:56:45.210 --> 03:56:45.570 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, h2r5-turn-003485 03:56:45.630 --> 03:56:51.850 Rep. Roberto Nazal: next question. Is an NCA required before a department can issue a SARO to the implementing office? h2r5-turn-003486 03:56:54.890 --> 03:57:07.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As a matter, of policy, Your Honor, a SARO is a sub-allotment advice. So, this pertains to allotment authority. And an NCA is different because that is an authority to disperse. h2r5-turn-003487 03:57:08.290 --> 03:57:09.450 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, hindi po siya required h2r5-turn-003488 03:57:10.150 --> 03:57:12.230 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for a department to issue a SARO? h2r5-turn-003489 03:57:13.970 --> 03:57:26.073 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: It would depend, Your Honor, on the internal guidelines of the department. But for us, SARO, again, is an allotment document. And an NCA is a disbursement document, Your h2r5-turn-003490 03:57:26.073 --> 03:57:26.357 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor. h2r5-turn-003490-split-2 03:57:26.357 --> 03:57:29.850 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I agree. So, para i-award po ang project, kailangan ba ng NCA? h2r5-turn-003491 03:57:33.390 --> 03:57:38.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The requisite for the award of a project, Your Honor, is an obligational authority. h2r5-turn-003492 03:57:39.210 --> 03:57:40.490 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, SARO lang? h2r5-turn-003493 03:57:41.530 --> 03:57:44.770 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: SARO or EGARO, whichever is applicable, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003494 03:57:45.930 --> 03:57:49.150 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ang NCA is principally for h2r5-turn-003495 03:57:49.150 --> 03:57:52.230 Rep. Roberto Nazal: actual cash disbursement or payment? h2r5-turn-003496 03:57:53.290 --> 03:57:54.530 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: You are correct, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003497 03:57:55.910 --> 03:58:02.270 Rep. Roberto Nazal: There were a lot of projects po, in DPWH, that had already been bid out and were awaiting award. h2r5-turn-003498 03:58:02.650 --> 03:58:05.670 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero we were informed that they could not be awarded because h2r5-turn-003499 03:58:05.670 --> 03:58:09.670 Rep. Roberto Nazal: DPWH Central Office has not issued the necessary SAA. h2r5-turn-003500 03:58:11.090 --> 03:58:12.830 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Once the SARO has been issued, h2r5-turn-003501 03:58:13.150 --> 03:58:21.290 Rep. Roberto Nazal: is there any additional DBM fund release authority required before DPWH can issue the SAA and proceed with the award? h2r5-turn-003502 03:58:22.170 --> 03:58:29.330 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: When we talk about obligational authority, Your Honor, the last obligational authority, should be the SARO, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003503 03:58:30.610 --> 03:58:31.310 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, if h2r5-turn-003504 03:58:31.310 --> 03:58:36.950 Rep. Roberto Nazal: an NCA is not required for the issuance of the SAA or h2r5-turn-003505 03:58:36.950 --> 03:58:39.490 Rep. Roberto Nazal: for the award and obligation of the project, h2r5-turn-003506 03:58:39.750 --> 03:58:41.790 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po ito rason para h2r5-turn-003507 03:58:41.790 --> 03:58:43.770 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi mag-issue ng SAA or h2r5-turn-003508 03:58:43.770 --> 03:58:45.230 Rep. Roberto Nazal: para hindi i-award ang project? h2r5-turn-003509 03:58:46.750 --> 03:58:49.030 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Because, on our record, Your Honor, the h2r5-turn-003510 03:58:49.610 --> 03:58:52.770 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: obligational authority has already been given to the agency. h2r5-turn-003511 03:58:53.030 --> 03:58:57.450 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hanggang dun lang po ba kayo? Your obligation ends when the SARO is issued? h2r5-turn-003512 03:58:58.430 --> 03:59:07.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: They are already given authority to obligate. But then again, Your Honor, as to the details, because this might entail several projects, h2r5-turn-003513 03:59:08.120 --> 03:59:12.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: so we are not that privy on the specific details of the projects that h2r5-turn-003514 03:59:12.660 --> 03:59:13.210 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: may be h2r5-turn-003515 03:59:13.210 --> 03:59:15.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: covered by the situation, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003516 03:59:15.930 --> 03:59:24.600 Rep. Roberto Nazal: In your opinion, Mr. Secretary, is there any valid reason, budgetary or otherwise, why an SAA can be withheld, considering this h2r5-turn-003517 03:59:24.600 --> 03:59:26.350 Rep. Roberto Nazal: has already passed through the h2r5-turn-003518 03:59:26.350 --> 03:59:29.450 Rep. Roberto Nazal: process specified in NBC 595? h2r5-turn-003519 03:59:30.220 --> 03:59:41.850 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, since the issuance of a SAA is an internal process within a department, we respectfully defer to the department concerned to provide guidance and clarity h2r5-turn-003520 03:59:41.850 --> 03:59:42.610 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on the matter. h2r5-turn-003521 03:59:44.360 --> 03:59:48.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero ang nangyayari po kasi, meron h2r5-turn-003522 03:59:48.740 --> 03:59:49.860 Rep. Roberto Nazal: po kaming pinagtanungan, h2r5-turn-003523 03:59:49.860 --> 03:59:51.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang sinasabi nila, h2r5-turn-003524 03:59:51.460 --> 03:59:53.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: DBM daw ang h2r5-turn-003525 03:59:53.140 --> 03:59:56.730 Rep. Roberto Nazal: nagsasabi na hindi pwedeng ituloy. h2r5-turn-003526 03:59:58.260 --> 04:00:00.060 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Dahil wala daw NCA. h2r5-turn-003527 04:00:01.710 --> 04:00:08.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, as a matter of policy, cash availability is supposedly h2r5-turn-003528 04:00:08.110 --> 04:00:14.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: not a hindrance for procurement or incurrence of an obligation because cash is h2r5-turn-003529 04:00:14.460 --> 04:00:16.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: being released and programmed based h2r5-turn-003530 04:00:16.600 --> 04:00:18.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on actual need h2r5-turn-003531 04:00:18.690 --> 04:00:24.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: and or progress billings for infrastructure projects. Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003532 04:00:24.490 --> 04:00:28.700 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for clearing that up, Mr. Chair. Mr. Secretary, h2r5-turn-003533 04:00:28.980 --> 04:00:30.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can h2r5-turn-003534 04:00:30.780 --> 04:00:34.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: a department simply just withhold this for no reason to prevent an award? h2r5-turn-003535 04:00:34.770 --> 04:00:35.690 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung NCA? h2r5-turn-003536 04:00:37.090 --> 04:00:38.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ay yung SAA. h2r5-turn-003537 04:00:39.090 --> 04:00:43.890 Rep. Roberto Nazal: If no SAA was issued and the projects consequently remained unawarded h2r5-turn-003538 04:00:43.890 --> 04:00:44.990 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and unobligated, h2r5-turn-003539 04:00:45.250 --> 04:00:51.250 Rep. Roberto Nazal: would the corresponding amounts remain unobligated allotments because of the department's failure to issue a SAA? h2r5-turn-003540 04:00:52.050 --> 04:01:02.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, since again, the issuance of SAA and the manner of sub-allotting is something that is peculiar within an agency, we respectfully defer to the agency concerned, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003541 04:01:03.280 --> 04:01:03.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, h2r5-turn-003542 04:01:03.900 --> 04:01:09.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: parang ang nangyayari po, yung department na ang nagdi-desisyon whether ma-obligate o hindi? h2r5-turn-003543 04:01:10.520 --> 04:01:21.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Sa amin po kasi, Your Honor, again, the allotments have been issued and it's already reflected in their respective reports that they have released allotments subject for their respective obligation. h2r5-turn-003544 04:01:22.080 --> 04:01:27.560 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Does the DBM's responsibility end there sa pag-issue po ng SARO? h2r5-turn-003545 04:01:27.700 --> 04:01:29.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Once na to obligate the funds? h2r5-turn-003546 04:01:31.040 --> 04:01:32.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Well, regularly, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-003547 04:01:32.880 --> 04:01:41.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, agencies are required to send their quarterly financial accountability report. So, dito po nakikita natin yung h2r5-turn-003548 04:01:41.540 --> 04:01:45.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanilang utilization of the respective allotments issued to them. h2r5-turn-003549 04:01:46.100 --> 04:01:48.480 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can we not compel them to h2r5-turn-003550 04:01:48.480 --> 04:01:49.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: proceed h2r5-turn-003551 04:01:49.840 --> 04:01:54.380 Rep. Roberto Nazal: with the project kung lahat po ng documents and documentation based on your h2r5-turn-003552 04:01:54.380 --> 04:01:56.160 Rep. Roberto Nazal: NBC were complied with? h2r5-turn-003553 04:01:56.900 --> 04:02:01.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The actual implementation... The actual implementation, Your Honor, of the projects kasi is a rest h2r5-turn-003554 04:02:01.960 --> 04:02:07.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: upon the technical expertise of the respective departments. So, they actually have their h2r5-turn-003555 04:02:07.640 --> 04:02:13.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: final determination as part of their mandate. So, kami po pumapasok po kami once they h2r5-turn-003556 04:02:13.480 --> 04:02:21.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: request na po for cash, we will just check on how they were able to obligate and award the contracts as initially programmed. h2r5-turn-003557 04:02:22.300 --> 04:02:28.940 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero hindi niyo po ba pwedeng i-flag sila once you obligate sila? Na-issuehan h2r5-turn-003558 04:02:28.940 --> 04:02:31.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: niyo ng SARO, nakita niyo, kumpleto yung h2r5-turn-003559 04:02:31.300 --> 04:02:33.580 Rep. Roberto Nazal: compliance. h2r5-turn-003560 04:02:34.480 --> 04:02:38.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Dumaan sa inyo, dumaan sa NBC, pinirmahan uli ng presidente. h2r5-turn-003561 04:02:39.020 --> 04:02:39.840 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung baga, h2r5-turn-003562 04:02:39.860 --> 04:02:41.760 Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa h2r5-turn-003563 04:02:41.760 --> 04:02:46.400 Rep. Roberto Nazal: GAA po, pinirmahan na ng presidente, in-authorize na naman ng presidente pagkatapos ng NBC. h2r5-turn-003564 04:02:46.800 --> 04:02:47.320 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Tapos, h2r5-turn-003565 04:02:47.320 --> 04:02:50.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: lahat technically feasible, lahat complied with. h2r5-turn-003566 04:02:50.720 --> 04:02:53.140 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero dahil ang gusto nila, h2r5-turn-003567 04:02:53.260 --> 04:02:56.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi sila mag-i-issue ng SAA, hindi matutuloy yung project. h2r5-turn-003568 04:02:57.080 --> 04:02:57.620 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And, h2r5-turn-003569 04:02:57.620 --> 04:02:59.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: pupunta h2r5-turn-003570 04:02:59.240 --> 04:03:00.100 Rep. Roberto Nazal: po tayo later on. h2r5-turn-003571 04:03:00.300 --> 04:03:03.500 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yan po ang probably isang malaking dahilan kung bakit h2r5-turn-003572 04:03:03.500 --> 04:03:07.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: mababa ang ating utilization at mababa ang ating government spending. h2r5-turn-003573 04:03:08.560 --> 04:03:16.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, lumalabas po iyan sa pag-conduct ng DBM ng mid-year at saka year-end h2r5-turn-003574 04:03:16.680 --> 04:03:16.681 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: performance. h2r5-turn-003575 04:03:16.681 --> 04:03:16.880 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung h2r5-turn-003576 04:03:16.880 --> 04:03:18.380 Rep. Roberto Nazal: oras ko, yung oras ko, please. h2r5-turn-003577 04:03:18.860 --> 04:03:21.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Year-end and mid-year annual performance. h2r5-turn-003578 04:03:21.060 --> 04:03:21.561 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Tumatakbo yung oras ko. h2r5-turn-003579 04:03:25.560 --> 04:03:27.360 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Sorry, sorry, sorry, Secretary. h2r5-turn-003580 04:03:28.960 --> 04:03:35.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, ito po ay kasama po doon sa nagiging findings h2r5-turn-003581 04:03:35.140 --> 04:03:38.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ng DBM kapag po ginagawa natin yung mid-year h2r5-turn-003582 04:03:38.920 --> 04:03:41.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agency performance review. h2r5-turn-003583 04:03:41.500 --> 04:03:49.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But, at the end of the day po, yung final determination as to per project, kasi po ang APR naman po, nakikita natin yan, aggregate eh. h2r5-turn-003584 04:03:49.560 --> 04:03:54.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But, on a per project level, it's still upon the final determination of the agency, h2r5-turn-003585 04:03:54.460 --> 04:03:56.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003586 04:03:57.440 --> 04:04:07.000 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can DBM confirm? Can DBM confirm that this fiscal year 2025 capital outlay allotments remain valid for release and obligation until December 31, 2026? h2r5-turn-003587 04:04:08.180 --> 04:04:14.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Consistent with the GAA, Your Honor, the allotment is valid for obligation until end of 2026. h2r5-turn-003588 04:04:15.820 --> 04:04:18.660 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, therefore po, funds that have not lapsed, h2r5-turn-003589 04:04:18.660 --> 04:04:27.240 Rep. Roberto Nazal: so pwede po ba ma-release na ang saa and pwede i-award ang projects and i-obligate yung allotments? Tama po ba? h2r5-turn-003590 04:04:27.640 --> 04:04:35.673 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Well, subject po. Well, subject po, Your Honor, sa determination ni agency because as we have said earlier, we are not privy on the complete h2r5-turn-003591 04:04:35.673 --> 04:04:36.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: details surrounding this project. h2r5-turn-003592 04:04:37.400 --> 04:04:39.380 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi pa na h2r5-turn-003593 04:04:39.380 --> 04:04:41.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: -i h2r5-turn-003594 04:04:41.180 --> 04:04:44.180 Rep. Roberto Nazal: -issue and hindi pa nagla-lapse yung ano. h2r5-turn-003595 04:04:45.060 --> 04:04:50.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Valid naman po, Your Honor, and wala naman pong ibang restrictions prohibiting, the h2r5-turn-003596 04:04:50.240 --> 04:04:53.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agency may still validly h2r5-turn-003597 04:04:53.520 --> 04:04:57.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: obligate because the appropriation is still valid, consistent with the GAA. h2r5-turn-003597-split-2 04:04:57.680 --> 04:04:58.800 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano h2r5-turn-003598 04:05:02.200 --> 04:05:06.820 Rep. Roberto Nazal: po eh, this is not, ito pong pinag-uusapan natin, this is not merely a technical budget issue. h2r5-turn-003599 04:05:07.080 --> 04:05:14.200 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Our GDP growth fell from 5.7 in 2024 to 4.4 in 2025 and h2r5-turn-003600 04:05:14.200 --> 04:05:16.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: to only 2.6 in h2r5-turn-003601 04:05:16.740 --> 04:05:18.300 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the first half of 2026. h2r5-turn-003602 04:05:19.560 --> 04:05:24.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: CPBRD projects full year growth of 2.3 to 2.6 while h2r5-turn-003603 04:05:24.780 --> 04:05:28.440 Rep. Roberto Nazal: gross capital formation contracted by 9.2 in h2r5-turn-003604 04:05:28.440 --> 04:05:29.780 Rep. Roberto Nazal: quarter 2 of 2026. h2r5-turn-003605 04:05:31.080 --> 04:05:34.540 Rep. Roberto Nazal: And poor budget execution where SAROs are released but h2r5-turn-003606 04:05:34.540 --> 04:05:38.340 Rep. Roberto Nazal: projects remain unimplemented be contributing to weak economic growth. h2r5-turn-003607 04:05:39.060 --> 04:05:40.460 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, h2r5-turn-003608 04:05:40.500 --> 04:05:43.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Nazal. That is the last question. h2r5-turn-003609 04:05:43.560 --> 04:05:44.280 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-003610 04:05:44.440 --> 04:05:48.720 Rep. Roberto Nazal: meron lang po akong i-ano kasi yung aking time eh, bumilang. h2r5-turn-003611 04:05:48.840 --> 04:05:50.220 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Actually, nadagdagan na kanina. h2r5-turn-003612 04:05:50.680 --> 04:05:57.740 Rep. Roberto Nazal: I will just, ika-cluster ko na lang yung last question ko. And then, just one... h2r5-turn-003613 04:06:04.230 --> 04:06:04.630 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please. h2r5-turn-003614 04:06:06.870 --> 04:06:09.670 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Wind up, last question, Cong. Robert. Thank you. h2r5-turn-003615 04:06:13.010 --> 04:06:14.290 Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, anyway, h2r5-turn-003616 04:06:14.410 --> 04:06:15.330 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Mr. Chair, Secretary, h2r5-turn-003617 04:06:15.770 --> 04:06:18.010 Rep. Roberto Nazal: slow spending is not a harmless delay. h2r5-turn-003618 04:06:18.250 --> 04:06:20.930 Rep. Roberto Nazal: At the time of weak growth in contracting investment, h2r5-turn-003619 04:06:21.450 --> 04:06:23.530 Rep. Roberto Nazal: every release but h2r5-turn-003620 04:06:23.530 --> 04:06:26.190 Rep. Roberto Nazal: unimplemented project means lost jobs, h2r5-turn-003621 04:06:26.530 --> 04:06:27.910 Rep. Roberto Nazal: lost economic activity, h2r5-turn-003622 04:06:28.190 --> 04:06:31.070 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and delayed public services, while h2r5-turn-003623 04:06:31.070 --> 04:06:34.710 Rep. Roberto Nazal: government continues to carry the fiscal and debt burden of the budget. h2r5-turn-003624 04:06:35.410 --> 04:06:36.170 Rep. Roberto Nazal: More seriously, h2r5-turn-003625 04:06:36.870 --> 04:06:40.643 Rep. Roberto Nazal: if a project remains unobligated because the SAA was withheld h2r5-turn-003626 04:06:40.643 --> 04:06:41.020 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and h2r5-turn-003627 04:06:41.020 --> 04:06:44.038 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that balance is later declared a savings and h2r5-turn-003628 04:06:44.038 --> 04:06:45.170 Rep. Roberto Nazal: used for augmentation, h2r5-turn-003629 04:06:45.570 --> 04:06:47.770 Rep. Roberto Nazal: that is no longer mere h2r5-turn-003630 04:06:47.770 --> 04:06:48.750 Rep. Roberto Nazal: underspending. h2r5-turn-003631 04:06:49.110 --> 04:06:52.230 Rep. Roberto Nazal: It raises the possibility of manufactured savings. h2r5-turn-003632 04:06:52.910 --> 04:06:54.650 Rep. Roberto Nazal: We will take this up in h2r5-turn-003633 04:06:54.650 --> 04:06:56.270 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the second round or in plenary. h2r5-turn-003634 04:06:57.310 --> 04:07:00.450 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Malamang hindi na po tayo. Ewan ko kung may second round pa ba tayo. h2r5-turn-003635 04:07:01.710 --> 04:07:02.610 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: This evening? h2r5-turn-003636 04:07:03.610 --> 04:07:04.890 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Anyway, we h2r5-turn-003637 04:07:04.890 --> 04:07:06.650 Rep. Roberto Nazal: want to know whether this h2r5-turn-003638 04:07:06.650 --> 04:07:09.055 Rep. Roberto Nazal: all... ...also happened in other agencies, h2r5-turn-003639 04:07:09.055 --> 04:07:11.677 Rep. Roberto Nazal: whether funds placed under FISARO were h2r5-turn-003640 04:07:11.677 --> 04:07:13.862 Rep. Roberto Nazal: later declared a savings and h2r5-turn-003641 04:07:13.862 --> 04:07:16.550 Rep. Roberto Nazal: transferred to other projects. Who h2r5-turn-003642 04:07:16.550 --> 04:07:17.910 Rep. Roberto Nazal: approved this and h2r5-turn-003643 04:07:17.910 --> 04:07:19.550 Rep. Roberto Nazal: where the money ultimately went? h2r5-turn-003644 04:07:20.230 --> 04:07:28.310 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Mr. Chair, I will submit a formal letter to DBM detailing the documents and project status information we h2r5-turn-003645 04:07:28.310 --> 04:07:29.730 Rep. Roberto Nazal: require on h2r5-turn-003646 04:07:29.730 --> 04:07:33.310 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the fiscal year 2025 and fiscal year 2026 h2r5-turn-003647 04:07:33.310 --> 04:07:35.570 Rep. Roberto Nazal: FISARO projects, including h2r5-turn-003648 04:07:35.570 --> 04:07:38.150 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the specific projects we have identified. h2r5-turn-003649 04:07:38.470 --> 04:07:41.250 Rep. Roberto Nazal: May the letter be made part of the committee record, h2r5-turn-003650 04:07:41.570 --> 04:07:45.330 Rep. Roberto Nazal: and may DBM be directed to submit a complete response within h2r5-turn-003651 04:07:45.330 --> 04:07:46.150 Rep. Roberto Nazal: the next two weeks. h2r5-turn-003652 04:07:46.310 --> 04:07:47.330 Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003653 04:07:48.270 --> 04:07:51.280 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, the committee will do so, and for DBM, please comply. h2r5-turn-003653-split-2 04:07:51.280 --> 04:07:52.155 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will comply, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-003654 04:07:52.155 --> 04:07:53.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as soon as we receive the details. h2r5-turn-003655 04:07:54.230 --> 04:07:57.510 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat. Thank you, Cong. Robert and h2r5-turn-003656 04:07:57.510 --> 04:07:58.410 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim. h2r5-turn-003657 04:07:59.030 --> 04:08:05.150 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So next, may we call on the Deputy Speaker, Chedeng Alvarez. Chedeng Alvarez. Please proceed. h2r5-turn-003658 04:08:05.390 --> 04:08:06.610 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003659 04:08:07.330 --> 04:08:10.650 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Good evening to everyone, to Sec. Kim De Leon, h2r5-turn-003660 04:08:10.930 --> 04:08:15.590 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Sec. Balisacan, to Sec. Go, and to everyone, maayong gabi sa inyo nga tanan. h2r5-turn-003661 04:08:17.570 --> 04:08:22.570 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: My question is very simple, actually, but as h2r5-turn-003662 04:08:22.570 --> 04:08:23.630 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: a form of introduction, h2r5-turn-003663 04:08:24.030 --> 04:08:30.610 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: I'm actually one of the principal authors of Republic Act 12000, or the law that created the Negros Island Region. h2r5-turn-003664 04:08:31.150 --> 04:08:37.530 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So it was signed last June 2020. It has been more than two years, and h2r5-turn-003665 04:08:37.530 --> 04:08:40.430 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: the people of the three provinces of this new h2r5-turn-003666 04:08:40.430 --> 04:08:45.010 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: region, namely Negros Occidental, Negros Oriental, and Siquijor, are h2r5-turn-003667 04:08:45.010 --> 04:08:49.910 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: eager to see a fully functional, funded, staffed region. h2r5-turn-003668 04:08:50.390 --> 04:09:00.930 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So before my actual question, Mr. Chair, I hope that the agencies here tonight have actually, or kinamusta nyo kaya yung h2r5-turn-003669 04:09:00.930 --> 04:09:04.330 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: mga tao ninyo sa Negros Island Region? Do h2r5-turn-003670 04:09:04.330 --> 04:09:07.030 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: they have offices already? Or h2r5-turn-003671 04:09:07.030 --> 04:09:19.850 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: are they still squatting at the mercy of LGUs? Do they have vehicles? Or do they have complete staffs? So my question mainly is for DBM, is that why h2r5-turn-003672 04:09:19.850 --> 04:09:30.510 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: is the establishment of these regional offices and the creation of plantilla positions are still at the varying stages of evaluation, finalization, and approval? h2r5-turn-003673 04:09:31.150 --> 04:09:36.384 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: There are also reports. There are reports of reduction of the h2r5-turn-003674 04:09:36.384 --> 04:09:41.390 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: original proposed 2027 budgets of some of these offices. So h2r5-turn-003675 04:09:41.390 --> 04:09:43.410 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: we h2r5-turn-003676 04:09:43.410 --> 04:09:46.530 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: in Negros Island Region would like to know why h2r5-turn-003677 04:09:46.530 --> 04:09:47.370 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: the delay. h2r5-turn-003678 04:09:47.610 --> 04:09:49.230 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, thank you. h2r5-turn-003679 04:09:49.230 --> 04:09:50.810 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. Sec. Kim, please reply. h2r5-turn-003680 04:09:51.050 --> 04:10:00.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, as for the Negros Island Region, we have particularly noted that when we were internally hearing the proposals of the agencies, h2r5-turn-003681 04:10:01.090 --> 04:10:09.890 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we gave higher premium on agency proposals, supporting the establishment of the respective offices in the NIR. However, h2r5-turn-003682 04:10:10.170 --> 04:10:19.710 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there is still some level of prioritization, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, that we did in order to support the operations of our agencies. For example, h2r5-turn-003683 04:10:20.070 --> 04:10:25.590 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mas inuna po natin yung pag-setup ng kanilang mga office, or yung iba po ay h2r5-turn-003684 04:10:25.590 --> 04:10:33.850 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: rent expense, dahil nga po yung iba ay nakikipanuluyan po sa ibang mga mga agencies. either SUCs or LGUs. So we give priority to that h2r5-turn-003685 04:10:33.850 --> 04:10:37.990 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: including some of the necessary office equipment that they h2r5-turn-003686 04:10:37.990 --> 04:10:41.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: need in order to operate. That's also why h2r5-turn-003687 04:10:41.970 --> 04:10:53.750 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the regional allocation for NIR for 2027 is higher when compared to the other regions. As for the approval of the plantilia, Your Honor, because there's no one-size-fits-all h2r5-turn-003688 04:10:54.430 --> 04:10:58.670 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: formula for the structure and staffing of each of the respective h2r5-turn-003689 04:11:00.050 --> 04:11:00.650 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agencies, h2r5-turn-003690 04:11:00.650 --> 04:11:07.730 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kailangan po kasing mag-emanate ito din sa kanilang mga respective proposal. That's why as of as h2r5-turn-003691 04:11:07.730 --> 04:11:09.090 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: early h2r5-turn-003692 04:11:09.090 --> 04:11:11.990 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as August last year, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-003693 04:11:12.190 --> 04:11:17.550 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: marami na po tayong ibang mga ahensya na nakreate na ng position, subject of course, to h2r5-turn-003694 04:11:17.550 --> 04:11:18.990 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: our available h2r5-turn-003695 04:11:18.990 --> 04:11:23.330 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: miscellaneous personnel benefits fund. Dahil doon lamang naman po natin h2r5-turn-003696 04:11:23.330 --> 04:11:25.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kukunin or pagkukuhanan yung h2r5-turn-003697 04:11:25.950 --> 04:11:26.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget to fund h2r5-turn-003698 04:11:27.770 --> 04:11:31.170 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: these positions. As of July 28 of 2026, h2r5-turn-003699 04:11:31.490 --> 04:11:35.490 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 30 national government agencies na po, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-003700 04:11:35.690 --> 04:11:37.330 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang meron na pong mga approved h2r5-turn-003701 04:11:38.170 --> 04:11:41.750 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: plantilia positions and offices for their Negros Island regional h2r5-turn-003702 04:11:41.750 --> 04:11:43.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: office. So far, we are we h2r5-turn-003703 04:11:43.830 --> 04:11:46.550 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: have received a request from additional eight h2r5-turn-003704 04:11:47.790 --> 04:11:49.670 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agencies which we are currently h2r5-turn-003705 04:11:50.230 --> 04:11:58.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: evaluating. Yung iba po kasi, Your Honor, meron lang pong isang technical side na kailangan nilang makomply with the which is yung tinatawag po nating h2r5-turn-003706 04:11:59.670 --> 04:12:04.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: UACS code para po talagang magkaroon ng personality yung h2r5-turn-003707 04:12:04.150 --> 04:12:05.970 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: regional office doon po sa h2r5-turn-003708 04:12:05.970 --> 04:12:10.350 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ating NEP. But rest assured na this is being given priority and h2r5-turn-003709 04:12:10.350 --> 04:12:11.430 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hopefully by h2r5-turn-003710 04:12:11.430 --> 04:12:15.850 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: definitely before the end of the year, ito pong mga remaining h2r5-turn-003711 04:12:16.530 --> 04:12:22.330 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: plantilia position requests for NIR will be properly acted upon, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003712 04:12:22.770 --> 04:12:35.990 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, I'd like to know where does this code as well as proposals come from? Does it come from the central offices of these agencies? But I'd like to congratulate you, Secretary, because as of June of h2r5-turn-003713 04:12:35.990 --> 04:12:53.330 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: this year, there are only 25 out of 30. But as you have reported just now, you have already completed almost all of the 30 agencies because 30 agencies yung nakalista sa Republic Act. So where does this proposal come from? Is it from the regional offices or from the central office? h2r5-turn-003714 04:12:53.730 --> 04:12:55.850 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As a matter of procedure, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-003715 04:12:56.550 --> 04:13:02.850 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, all the requests will have to be endorsed by the head of agency from the central office, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003716 04:13:03.250 --> 04:13:14.290 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Because as an example from the information that I got, for example, the Bureau of Local Government Finance as well as the Bureau of Treasury under the DOF has yet to submit a proposal. h2r5-turn-003717 04:13:14.890 --> 04:13:15.410 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So h2r5-turn-003718 04:13:15.410 --> 04:13:15.930 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: where h2r5-turn-003719 04:13:16.570 --> 04:13:21.190 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: does the delay come from? Is it from the region or from the central office? h2r5-turn-003720 04:13:22.770 --> 04:13:24.770 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So maybe DOF can answer. h2r5-turn-003721 04:13:35.020 --> 04:13:35.780 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Apologies, Mr. h2r5-turn-003722 04:13:36.080 --> 04:13:50.320 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Chair. I really have to ask this because you know, the congressmen of NIR, we constantly talk to the to your staff in the region. So we ask them kung kamusta po sila? May opisina po ba? May sasakyan po ba sila? Kasi minsan yung iba walang sasakyan. h2r5-turn-003723 04:13:50.800 --> 04:13:54.060 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Regional directors ninyo sumasakay sa Ceres na bus. h2r5-turn-003724 04:13:54.860 --> 04:13:55.520 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So and h2r5-turn-003725 04:13:55.520 --> 04:14:03.220 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: we see other regions being acquired new vehicles. But your staff in NIR are, h2r5-turn-003726 04:14:03.360 --> 04:14:06.180 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: well, hindi naman sila siguro nagsasuffer. Pero h2r5-turn-003727 04:14:06.180 --> 04:14:07.520 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: medyo h2r5-turn-003728 04:14:08.100 --> 04:14:10.280 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: hindi po ata sila nabigyan ng priority. h2r5-turn-003729 04:14:31.100 --> 04:14:34.840 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, this is h2r5-turn-003730 04:14:34.840 --> 04:14:40.720 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: new to me. I'll admit. I will ensure that we talk to BLGF tomorrow h2r5-turn-003731 04:14:40.720 --> 04:14:43.440 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to find out why they have not submitted. h2r5-turn-003732 04:14:47.370 --> 04:14:54.790 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Actually, Mr. Chair, that's the point of my question. Where does the delay emanate from? Is it with the central office or h2r5-turn-003733 04:14:54.790 --> 04:14:56.890 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: with the regional office, these proposals? h2r5-turn-003734 04:15:01.400 --> 04:15:01.920 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: BTR. h2r5-turn-003735 04:15:02.480 --> 04:15:04.860 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: For BTR, the treasurer will answer. h2r5-turn-003736 04:15:09.180 --> 04:15:13.160 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: Thank you, Madam Chair. For treasury, we are h2r5-turn-003737 04:15:13.940 --> 04:15:15.300 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: looking at the h2r5-turn-003738 04:15:16.140 --> 04:15:16.780 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: creation. h2r5-turn-003739 04:15:18.060 --> 04:15:22.080 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: Right now, even though we don't have a regional office in h2r5-turn-003740 04:15:22.080 --> 04:15:25.180 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: Negros, we have provincial offices that h2r5-turn-003741 04:15:25.180 --> 04:15:30.200 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: are actually present in the region. So definitely, we will be looking h2r5-turn-003742 04:15:30.200 --> 04:15:30.920 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: at the h2r5-turn-003743 04:15:32.380 --> 04:15:36.920 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: reorganization because there are an implication on the h2r5-turn-003744 04:15:37.880 --> 04:15:40.760 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: budget, an implication for the h2r5-turn-003745 04:15:40.760 --> 04:15:43.940 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: budget of the entire Bureau of the Treasury. But definitely, Madam Chair, h2r5-turn-003746 04:15:44.120 --> 04:15:44.800 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: we will h2r5-turn-003747 04:15:45.380 --> 04:15:47.720 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: review and revisit the h2r5-turn-003748 04:15:47.720 --> 04:15:49.120 Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: creation. Thank you. h2r5-turn-003749 04:15:49.660 --> 04:16:03.100 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, I understand that there is an implication in the budget, but there is also an implication in the delivery of services. For example, in the case of the Bureau of Local Government Finance, this is where all of the local government units deal with h2r5-turn-003750 04:16:03.100 --> 04:16:03.300 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: their h2r5-turn-003751 04:16:04.180 --> 04:16:04.700 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: concerns. h2r5-turn-003752 04:16:05.460 --> 04:16:07.680 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: As well as with the Bureau of Treasury. So, h2r5-turn-003753 04:16:07.680 --> 04:16:09.880 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: actually, h2r5-turn-003754 04:16:10.160 --> 04:16:13.420 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, I'm just asking where the h2r5-turn-003755 04:16:13.420 --> 04:16:13.980 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: delay h2r5-turn-003756 04:16:13.980 --> 04:16:14.800 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: comes from. h2r5-turn-003757 04:16:14.960 --> 04:16:18.360 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, our BLGF ED is present. h2r5-turn-003758 04:16:19.480 --> 04:16:20.140 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Good h2r5-turn-003759 04:16:20.140 --> 04:16:22.680 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: afternoon, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003760 04:16:23.260 --> 04:16:25.280 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: For the BLGF, h2r5-turn-003761 04:16:26.980 --> 04:16:32.980 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: there was already a designated interim head for the NIR who h2r5-turn-003762 04:16:32.980 --> 04:16:36.460 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: is concurrently the regional director of Region 6, yes. h2r5-turn-003763 04:16:36.640 --> 04:16:38.220 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: And, in h2r5-turn-003764 04:16:38.220 --> 04:16:39.940 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: fact, we h2r5-turn-003765 04:16:39.940 --> 04:16:42.920 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: are already providing them, I h2r5-turn-003766 04:16:42.920 --> 04:16:44.240 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: mean the NIR region, h2r5-turn-003767 04:16:45.140 --> 04:16:49.720 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: with vehicles. And we already proposed in h2r5-turn-003768 04:16:49.720 --> 04:16:51.120 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: our budget h2r5-turn-003769 04:16:51.120 --> 04:16:52.660 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: for h2r5-turn-003770 04:16:52.660 --> 04:16:54.560 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: the funding for h2r5-turn-003771 04:16:54.560 --> 04:16:56.240 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: the establishment of the NIR. h2r5-turn-003772 04:16:56.900 --> 04:16:58.600 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Our main h2r5-turn-003773 04:16:58.600 --> 04:17:01.900 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: concern right now is that the h2r5-turn-003774 04:17:01.900 --> 04:17:03.980 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Negros Islands are h2r5-turn-003775 04:17:03.980 --> 04:17:05.500 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: far, far from h2r5-turn-003776 04:17:05.500 --> 04:17:06.160 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: one another. h2r5-turn-003777 04:17:06.840 --> 04:17:10.140 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: So, there is a proposal also that a h2r5-turn-003778 04:17:10.140 --> 04:17:12.780 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: satellite office will h2r5-turn-003779 04:17:12.780 --> 04:17:17.100 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: be established in Dumaguete City. Those were the concerns of particularly h2r5-turn-003780 04:17:17.100 --> 04:17:19.620 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Negros Oriental. h2r5-turn-003781 04:17:20.520 --> 04:17:31.980 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, just a correction. Negros Island is only one main island and Siquijor is like 20 minutes away. So, it is not composed of many islands, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003782 04:17:32.280 --> 04:17:36.040 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. Madam Chair, what h2r5-turn-003783 04:17:36.040 --> 04:17:38.720 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: I mean is that the h2r5-turn-003784 04:17:38.720 --> 04:17:40.720 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: chosen place h2r5-turn-003785 04:17:40.720 --> 04:17:45.040 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: for the regional office is in h2r5-turn-003786 04:17:46.340 --> 04:17:48.000 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Occidental. And h2r5-turn-003787 04:17:48.000 --> 04:17:51.840 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: they say that it is quite far from h2r5-turn-003788 04:17:51.840 --> 04:18:02.560 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Oriental and Siquijor. So, we are also looking into the possibility of establishing a satellite office in Dumagueta City. h2r5-turn-003789 04:18:02.980 --> 04:18:10.660 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Of course, Mr. Chair, we welcome you. From the establishment of satellite offices. But maybe, Mr. Chair, I'd like to take this opportunity to invite h2r5-turn-003790 04:18:10.660 --> 04:18:14.320 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: our departments to visit Negros Island to h2r5-turn-003791 04:18:14.320 --> 04:18:18.800 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: see and talk to your regional staff so h2r5-turn-003792 04:18:18.800 --> 04:18:21.580 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: that you will really know what they really need, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003793 04:18:21.780 --> 04:18:26.720 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Your Honor, I would like to inform that we just came from the NIR and h2r5-turn-003794 04:18:26.720 --> 04:18:32.900 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: in fact, I was able to talk also to the mayor of Dumaguete City at that time and h2r5-turn-003795 04:18:32.900 --> 04:18:35.160 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: he raised that concern. And h2r5-turn-003796 04:18:35.160 --> 04:18:38.320 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: he's even willing to provide a h2r5-turn-003797 04:18:38.320 --> 04:18:46.240 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: free space for the BLGF satellite office. So, we are all considering this and once h2r5-turn-003798 04:18:46.240 --> 04:18:55.700 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: we fill up the positions, we hope that by next year, then our regional office will normalize. h2r5-turn-003799 04:18:56.820 --> 04:19:05.920 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Okay. Is there a problem with the budget or with your proposals? Because according to the Department of Budget and Management, before h2r5-turn-003800 04:19:05.920 --> 04:19:07.700 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: the end of this year, it h2r5-turn-003801 04:19:07.700 --> 04:19:09.260 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: will be fully functional. h2r5-turn-003802 04:19:09.600 --> 04:19:12.380 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: But you're now saying that by next year. h2r5-turn-003803 04:19:13.020 --> 04:19:14.060 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So, what will it be? h2r5-turn-003804 04:19:14.080 --> 04:19:15.840 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: We already submitted our proposal h2r5-turn-003805 04:19:16.740 --> 04:19:19.080 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: even last year. h2r5-turn-003806 04:19:19.680 --> 04:19:23.520 BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: So, I think they are doing it by phase, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003807 04:19:24.720 --> 04:19:48.080 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, for expediency and of course, since it's almost 7 o'clock, maybe I'd like to request the following from the departments. Year by year breakdown of budget allocated of all agencies from 2024-2025 to the present as well as the proposed 2027. PS, MOE as well as the capital outlay. h2r5-turn-003808 04:19:48.180 --> 04:20:00.080 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: At the same time, Mr. Chair, a number of approved positions, funded and unfunded. And of course, more importantly, DBM's definite timeline as h2r5-turn-003809 04:20:00.080 --> 04:20:03.860 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: to the full fiscal and organizational operations of NIR h2r5-turn-003810 04:20:04.580 --> 04:20:05.880 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-003811 04:20:08.460 --> 04:20:10.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we will comply, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003812 04:20:11.180 --> 04:20:14.700 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, may I know when will I receive that compliance? h2r5-turn-003813 04:20:25.570 --> 04:20:32.390 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May we request, Your Honor, at least a week to collate all this information and submit it to Your Honor through the Committee on Appropriations. h2r5-turn-003814 04:20:33.870 --> 04:20:35.830 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Is that okay, DS Chedeng? h2r5-turn-003815 04:20:35.990 --> 04:20:39.270 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Yes, Mr. Chair. With it after one week. h2r5-turn-003816 04:20:39.470 --> 04:20:39.970 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: If h2r5-turn-003817 04:20:39.970 --> 04:20:45.290 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: it won't arrive after one week, will the Chairman allow me? h2r5-turn-003818 04:20:46.030 --> 04:20:47.530 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: To ask questions in plenary? h2r5-turn-003819 04:20:49.810 --> 04:20:50.330 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I h2r5-turn-003820 04:20:50.330 --> 04:20:55.250 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: think the Secretary of DBM guarantees that within one week, it will arrive. Thank you. h2r5-turn-003821 04:20:56.050 --> 04:21:11.930 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I do apologize to the departments here. It's just that I've always been in the ground and I've been talking to your regional staff and I've heard all of their concerns. So, I am just airing out their concerns at the same time. h2r5-turn-003822 04:21:12.450 --> 04:21:34.330 Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: The reason why we came up with Republic Act 12,000 is to make everything convenient for our constituents. And especially now that it is happening, Mount Kanlaon erupts every other day and more other problems are SSI in the sugarcane industry. So, we really need your help and we need the prioritization of the national government. Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003823 04:21:35.210 --> 04:21:37.470 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, DS Chedeng. h2r5-turn-003824 04:21:37.950 --> 04:21:39.830 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And we will expect the h2r5-turn-003825 04:21:40.530 --> 04:21:43.590 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: submission of Secretary Kim within one week. h2r5-turn-003826 04:21:43.750 --> 04:21:44.510 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. h2r5-turn-003827 04:21:46.640 --> 04:21:47.900 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, next, h2r5-turn-003828 04:21:49.280 --> 04:21:52.020 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we will go back to the minority. h2r5-turn-003829 04:21:52.440 --> 04:21:55.160 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May we call on Representative h2r5-turn-003830 04:21:55.160 --> 04:21:56.280 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Allan Ty h2r5-turn-003831 04:21:57.040 --> 04:21:58.120 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed. h2r5-turn-003832 04:21:58.380 --> 04:21:59.720 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. h2r5-turn-003833 04:22:00.400 --> 04:22:02.540 Rep. Allan U. Ty: To the Secretary of h2r5-turn-003834 04:22:02.540 --> 04:22:03.420 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Finance, h2r5-turn-003835 04:22:04.180 --> 04:22:05.080 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary Go, h2r5-turn-003836 04:22:05.640 --> 04:22:08.020 Rep. Allan U. Ty: can you please state the amount transferred by h2r5-turn-003837 04:22:08.020 --> 04:22:11.840 Rep. Allan U. Ty: PDIC to the Bureau of Treasury pursuant h2r5-turn-003838 04:22:11.840 --> 04:22:14.380 Rep. Allan U. Ty: to Special Provision 1D Volume h2r5-turn-003839 04:22:14.380 --> 04:22:15.980 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 1-E of h2r5-turn-003840 04:22:15.980 --> 04:22:18.720 Rep. Allan U. Ty: the General Appropriations Act Fiscal Year 2024 h2r5-turn-003841 04:22:18.720 --> 04:22:22.000 Rep. Allan U. Ty: categorized as fund balance? h2r5-turn-003842 04:22:22.580 --> 04:22:25.840 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The amount is 107.23 billion pesos. h2r5-turn-003843 04:22:27.100 --> 04:22:30.480 Rep. Allan U. Ty: And may I ask, who proposed the transfer, Mr. Secretary? h2r5-turn-003844 04:22:31.420 --> 04:22:34.620 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The Department of Finance in h2r5-turn-003845 04:22:34.620 --> 04:22:39.820 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: implementing the Special Provision 1D of the 2024 General Appropriations Act h2r5-turn-003846 04:22:41.140 --> 04:22:41.980 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: requested h2r5-turn-003847 04:22:43.300 --> 04:22:46.080 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: PDIC to remit that h2r5-turn-003848 04:22:46.080 --> 04:22:46.920 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: fund balance. h2r5-turn-003849 04:22:47.960 --> 04:22:53.380 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, the determination was made by the DOF under Department Circular Number 003 h2r5-turn-003850 04:22:54.080 --> 04:22:56.360 Rep. Allan U. Ty: of 2024. Am I correct? h2r5-turn-003851 04:22:56.700 --> 04:22:57.480 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: That's correct. h2r5-turn-003852 04:22:58.200 --> 04:23:00.800 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, did the Board approve the h2r5-turn-003853 04:23:00.800 --> 04:23:01.820 Rep. Allan U. Ty: amount as h2r5-turn-003854 04:23:01.820 --> 04:23:04.420 Rep. Allan U. Ty: determined by the Department of Finance in h2r5-turn-003855 04:23:04.420 --> 04:23:06.880 Rep. Allan U. Ty: the amount of 107.23 billion? h2r5-turn-003856 04:23:07.260 --> 04:23:11.040 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: That was approved by the Board of PDIC, h2r5-turn-003857 04:23:11.540 --> 04:23:14.300 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: not the Board of the Department of Finance, but yes, sir. h2r5-turn-003858 04:23:14.380 --> 04:23:15.840 Rep. Allan U. Ty: I stand corrected, Mr. Secretary, h2r5-turn-003859 04:23:15.920 --> 04:23:17.380 Rep. Allan U. Ty: by the PDIC. h2r5-turn-003860 04:23:17.580 --> 04:23:19.540 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, sir. Yes, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-003861 04:23:21.480 --> 04:23:23.960 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Was it approved by the Board unanimously? h2r5-turn-003862 04:23:24.760 --> 04:23:26.680 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Sorry? Was it h2r5-turn-003863 04:23:26.680 --> 04:23:29.060 Rep. Allan U. Ty: approved unanimously by the PDIC Board? h2r5-turn-003864 04:23:32.770 --> 04:23:34.910 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Sorry, I was not Secretary at that time. h2r5-turn-003865 04:23:34.970 --> 04:23:40.490 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Yes, I'm aware of that, Mr. Secretary. Probably the alternate member at that time can answer to that. h2r5-turn-003866 04:23:44.720 --> 04:23:48.600 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think we have to find out the answer to that question. h2r5-turn-003867 04:23:49.940 --> 04:23:51.300 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: It's a different Board. h2r5-turn-003868 04:23:54.690 --> 04:23:57.370 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Don't you have the alternate member present at h2r5-turn-003869 04:23:57.370 --> 04:23:59.510 Rep. Allan U. Ty: that time? Who's the alternate member? h2r5-turn-003870 04:23:59.750 --> 04:24:06.250 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Ah, no. The alternate member was Yusek Rolly Tumpalan, who's no longer with the DOF. He's now with the ADB. h2r5-turn-003871 04:24:07.290 --> 04:24:07.890 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, h2r5-turn-003872 04:24:07.890 --> 04:24:11.230 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, may I ask whether the amount of h2r5-turn-003873 04:24:11.230 --> 04:24:13.890 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 107.23 billion was h2r5-turn-003874 04:24:13.890 --> 04:24:15.950 Rep. Allan U. Ty: taken from the Deposit h2r5-turn-003875 04:24:15.950 --> 04:24:16.890 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Insurance Fund, h2r5-turn-003876 04:24:17.010 --> 04:24:17.850 Rep. Allan U. Ty: or DIF? h2r5-turn-003877 04:24:29.840 --> 04:24:34.060 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: My understanding, based on what I have been informed, h2r5-turn-003878 04:24:34.740 --> 04:24:39.420 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: is that the 107.23 billion was taken from the unrestricted portion. h2r5-turn-003879 04:24:39.940 --> 04:24:42.300 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Of the Deposit Insurance Fund. h2r5-turn-003880 04:24:45.000 --> 04:24:46.220 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, it h2r5-turn-003881 04:24:46.220 --> 04:24:49.360 Rep. Allan U. Ty: was not taken from the Deposit Insurance Fund? h2r5-turn-003882 04:24:50.060 --> 04:24:52.680 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Or does it form part of the Deposit Insurance Fund? h2r5-turn-003883 04:24:52.920 --> 04:24:54.880 Rep. Allan U. Ty: The unrestricted retained earnings? h2r5-turn-003884 04:25:07.410 --> 04:25:11.310 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The way it has been explained to me is h2r5-turn-003885 04:25:12.050 --> 04:25:17.290 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: because it was considered an excess from the Deposit Insurance Fund. So, h2r5-turn-003886 04:25:17.290 --> 04:25:20.450 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: technically, it was not from the Deposit Insurance Fund. h2r5-turn-003887 04:25:24.070 --> 04:25:29.470 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, it's different from the dividends that the GOCC is h2r5-turn-003888 04:25:29.470 --> 04:25:31.250 Rep. Allan U. Ty: remitting to the national government. h2r5-turn-003889 04:25:32.900 --> 04:25:34.510 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: You can say that. h2r5-turn-003890 04:25:34.670 --> 04:25:35.130 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes. h2r5-turn-003891 04:25:38.270 --> 04:25:39.960 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, the h2r5-turn-003892 04:25:39.960 --> 04:25:45.340 Rep. Allan U. Ty: amount of 107 is separate from the dividends that was given h2r5-turn-003893 04:25:45.340 --> 04:25:46.540 Rep. Allan U. Ty: to the national government. h2r5-turn-003894 04:25:47.460 --> 04:25:48.280 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes. h2r5-turn-003895 04:25:48.620 --> 04:25:50.720 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you. So, did the h2r5-turn-003896 04:25:52.500 --> 04:25:53.320 Rep. Allan U. Ty: PDIC h2r5-turn-003897 04:25:54.160 --> 04:25:57.380 Rep. Allan U. Ty: consider whether the transfer could h2r5-turn-003898 04:25:57.380 --> 04:25:58.740 Rep. Allan U. Ty: have an adverse effect? h2r5-turn-003899 04:25:59.780 --> 04:26:05.900 Rep. Allan U. Ty: To the PDIC's ability to respond in case of bank failures to protect our depositors? h2r5-turn-003900 04:26:06.100 --> 04:26:10.240 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes. The way it was explained to me that this was clearly over and above h2r5-turn-003901 04:26:10.600 --> 04:26:11.540 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: what they needed h2r5-turn-003902 04:26:12.240 --> 04:26:15.120 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to address any eventuality h2r5-turn-003903 04:26:16.600 --> 04:26:24.240 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: of depositors insurance. So, it's over and beyond. So, they did take that into account. That's why they considered it an excess. h2r5-turn-003904 04:26:25.140 --> 04:26:26.720 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-003905 04:26:27.140 --> 04:26:27.456 Rep. Allan U. Ty: To h2r5-turn-003906 04:26:27.456 --> 04:26:28.720 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary Kim. h2r5-turn-003907 04:26:29.780 --> 04:26:32.440 Rep. Allan U. Ty: What percentage of the fiscal h2r5-turn-003908 04:26:32.440 --> 04:26:36.480 Rep. Allan U. Ty: year 2027 budget is represented by the unprogrammed appropriations? h2r5-turn-003909 04:26:37.820 --> 04:26:48.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, the unprogrammed appropriations in the 2027 NEP are just 1.56% of the total expenditure program. h2r5-turn-003910 04:26:49.540 --> 04:26:52.060 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Can you provide a h2r5-turn-003911 04:26:52.060 --> 04:26:56.840 Rep. Allan U. Ty: historical data of the level of percentages of unprogrammed funds for h2r5-turn-003912 04:26:56.840 --> 04:26:59.760 Rep. Allan U. Ty: the past five years, 2022 to 2026? h2r5-turn-003913 04:27:02.270 --> 04:27:07.230 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May we request for a minute so that we can retrieve the information, h2r5-turn-003914 04:27:07.510 --> 04:27:08.370 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor? h2r5-turn-003915 04:27:36.640 --> 04:27:47.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, you are referring to NEP level or GAA level of UA versus expenditure program level for 2022 to 2026? h2r5-turn-003916 04:27:48.880 --> 04:27:53.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For 2022, that is 5.01%. h2r5-turn-003917 04:27:54.480 --> 04:27:57.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2023 is 15.32%. h2r5-turn-003919 04:27:58.720 --> 04:27:59.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2024 h2r5-turn-003920 04:27:59.860 --> 04:28:03.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is 12.68%. h2r5-turn-003921 04:28:03.700 --> 04:28:05.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2025 is h2r5-turn-003922 04:28:05.720 --> 04:28:07.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 5.74%. h2r5-turn-003923 04:28:08.100 --> 04:28:14.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And 2026 after the vetoed portion is 2.22%, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003924 04:28:16.900 --> 04:28:23.960 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, Mr. Secretary, what is the maximum percentage level of unprogrammed funds in the FY2027 budget h2r5-turn-003925 04:28:24.900 --> 04:28:29.120 Rep. Allan U. Ty: consistent with the generally accepted fiscal principles or h2r5-turn-003926 04:28:29.120 --> 04:28:32.120 Rep. Allan U. Ty: benchmark? I think it's limited by multilateral institutions. h2r5-turn-003927 04:28:39.100 --> 04:28:45.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, for 2027, our proposed level is only at 1.56% h2r5-turn-003928 04:28:45.680 --> 04:28:47.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of the expenditure program. h2r5-turn-003929 04:28:48.360 --> 04:28:50.820 Rep. Allan U. Ty: But what is the maximum level allowable? h2r5-turn-003930 04:28:52.500 --> 04:28:54.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: There's actually no maximum level. h2r5-turn-003931 04:28:54.400 --> 04:29:00.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor. The international benchmark actually is also h2r5-turn-003932 04:29:00.580 --> 04:29:12.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: depends on the definition of contingency that we refer to, but technically, unprogrammed appropriations do not have any existing benchmark internationally, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003933 04:29:13.000 --> 04:29:17.220 Rep. Allan U. Ty: But based on your NEP, it states there around four to five percent, h2r5-turn-003934 04:29:17.220 --> 04:29:19.080 Rep. Allan U. Ty: as presented in your NEP, h2r5-turn-003935 04:29:19.220 --> 04:29:20.780 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-003937 04:29:29.020 --> 04:29:29.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based h2r5-turn-003938 04:29:29.540 --> 04:29:31.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on h2r5-turn-003939 04:29:31.260 --> 04:29:31.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: information, h2r5-turn-003940 04:29:31.880 --> 04:29:36.395 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, that's the figure, that's the range of the proposed h2r5-turn-003941 04:29:36.395 --> 04:29:39.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: UA under h2r5-turn-003942 04:29:39.300 --> 04:29:40.158 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the NEP. h2r5-turn-003943 04:29:40.158 --> 04:29:46.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But if we also refer, Your Honor, to the Philippine Budgeting Code, we're actually referring to about two h2r5-turn-003944 04:29:46.840 --> 04:29:51.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to three percent, depending on the version of the Philippine Budgeting Code, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003945 04:29:52.280 --> 04:29:54.980 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Around 3 to 4 percent, correct? h2r5-turn-003946 04:29:55.800 --> 04:30:02.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: In the versions of the Philippine Budgeting Code, it's about 2 or 3 percent, maximum, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003947 04:30:02.300 --> 04:30:02.780 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Okay. h2r5-turn-003948 04:30:03.000 --> 04:30:05.120 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, did you not consider h2r5-turn-003949 04:30:06.420 --> 04:30:12.980 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, did you not consider the full restoration of the PDIC fund transfer of 107 h2r5-turn-003950 04:30:12.980 --> 04:30:21.400 Rep. Allan U. Ty: .23 billion, considering that amount is still way below the recommended threshold, as you mentioned, of 3 percent? h2r5-turn-003951 04:30:26.130 --> 04:30:45.570 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, since we're all also so mindful of the possible sourcing where the restoration of the PDIC remittances will would be sourced from, so kahit po ilagay namin yung mas mataas, kung hindi naman po mamimit yung trigger for us to be able to settle this, which is excess revenue, h2r5-turn-003952 04:30:45.910 --> 04:30:50.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: malilimit din po yung capacity ng executive branch to fully restore. h2r5-turn-003953 04:30:50.450 --> 04:30:55.010 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's why we even planned from the start that we can restore this if also h2r5-turn-003954 04:30:55.010 --> 04:31:01.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the Supreme Court orders the executive to do so, at least in two tranches. Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-003955 04:31:02.330 --> 04:31:07.129 Rep. Allan U. Ty: May I ask the Governor of Banco Central if it's acceptable? Is it h2r5-turn-003956 04:31:07.129 --> 04:31:12.323 Rep. Allan U. Ty: acceptable to him as to the amount allocated under the h2r5-turn-003957 04:31:12.323 --> 04:31:15.439 Rep. Allan U. Ty: unprogrammed appropriation of 50.7 for h2r5-turn-003958 04:31:15.439 --> 04:31:16.997 Rep. Allan U. Ty: restoration of PDIC h2r5-turn-003959 04:31:16.997 --> 04:31:17.517 Rep. Allan U. Ty: fund? h2r5-turn-003960 04:31:17.517 --> 04:31:19.075 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Is it acceptable h2r5-turn-003961 04:31:19.075 --> 04:31:23.230 Rep. Allan U. Ty: to BSP as ex-officio chairman of PDIC? h2r5-turn-003962 04:31:36.100 --> 04:31:43.280 BSP Governor Eli M. Remolona Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Chair. We will have to confer with PDIC. Although we are chair of the h2r5-turn-003963 04:31:43.280 --> 04:31:44.260 BSP Governor Eli M. Remolona Jr.: board, h2r5-turn-003964 04:31:44.540 --> 04:31:48.520 BSP Governor Eli M. Remolona Jr.: this is something that the PDIC is looking into very closely. h2r5-turn-003965 04:31:49.980 --> 04:31:50.580 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank h2r5-turn-003966 04:31:50.580 --> 04:31:54.460 Rep. Allan U. Ty: you. How about the Secretary of Finance as h2r5-turn-003967 04:31:54.460 --> 04:31:54.880 Rep. Allan U. Ty: board h2r5-turn-003968 04:31:54.880 --> 04:31:56.220 Rep. Allan U. Ty: member of PDIC? h2r5-turn-003969 04:32:05.040 --> 04:32:09.900 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think the DBM is in the best position to evaluate h2r5-turn-003970 04:32:09.900 --> 04:32:12.680 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: how much fiscal space we might have. h2r5-turn-003971 04:32:13.180 --> 04:32:16.640 Rep. Allan U. Ty: They already evaluated it at 50.7, Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-003972 04:32:17.360 --> 04:32:17.960 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes. h2r5-turn-003973 04:32:19.400 --> 04:32:20.000 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 57 h2r5-turn-003974 04:32:20.000 --> 04:32:20.600 Rep. Allan U. Ty: billion, h2r5-turn-003975 04:32:20.800 --> 04:32:21.960 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary. There h2r5-turn-003976 04:32:21.960 --> 04:32:23.740 Rep. Allan U. Ty: was already an evaluation made. h2r5-turn-003977 04:32:23.960 --> 04:32:26.920 Rep. Allan U. Ty: I'm just asking if it's acceptable on your end, Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-003978 04:32:30.850 --> 04:32:31.450 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I h2r5-turn-003979 04:32:31.450 --> 04:32:35.330 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think it's a question that really should be asked of perhaps h2r5-turn-003980 04:32:35.330 --> 04:32:36.250 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: not us. h2r5-turn-003981 04:32:37.170 --> 04:32:39.690 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, you sit in the board of PDIC. h2r5-turn-003982 04:32:43.480 --> 04:32:44.280 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think, h2r5-turn-003983 04:32:44.280 --> 04:32:45.640 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, h2r5-turn-003984 04:32:48.860 --> 04:32:58.760 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think it's up to the DBM to really estimate how much. And I think if the number they came up with is 57 billion, then that's the fiscal space that h2r5-turn-003985 04:32:58.760 --> 04:33:01.800 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: they can afford to return h2r5-turn-003986 04:33:01.800 --> 04:33:02.760 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to h2r5-turn-003987 04:33:02.760 --> 04:33:04.160 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the PDIC. This year, h2r5-turn-003988 04:33:04.400 --> 04:33:12.320 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think it's with the understanding that in perhaps next year or if needed in another year, but h2r5-turn-003989 04:33:12.320 --> 04:33:16.340 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: hopefully maybe by next year, it can be fully returned to h2r5-turn-003990 04:33:16.340 --> 04:33:16.960 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: PDIC. h2r5-turn-003991 04:33:18.580 --> 04:33:19.180 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So h2r5-turn-003992 04:33:19.180 --> 04:33:22.420 Rep. Allan U. Ty: the amount is acceptable to you, Mr. Secretary, of h2r5-turn-003993 04:33:22.420 --> 04:33:23.380 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 57 billion. h2r5-turn-003994 04:33:24.880 --> 04:33:26.280 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-003995 04:33:26.780 --> 04:33:28.180 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, Secretary Kim, h2r5-turn-003996 04:33:28.340 --> 04:33:31.180 Rep. Allan U. Ty: how much budget is allocated for the executive branch, h2r5-turn-003997 04:33:31.480 --> 04:33:34.420 Rep. Allan U. Ty: legislative branch? And the judiciary? h2r5-turn-003998 04:33:34.720 --> 04:33:38.320 Rep. Allan U. Ty: And what is the percentage to the total expenditures program? h2r5-turn-003999 04:33:45.450 --> 04:33:48.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, just to check, we are h2r5-turn-004000 04:33:48.150 --> 04:33:52.910 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: requested for information as to the budget for the executive, the h2r5-turn-004001 04:33:52.910 --> 04:33:57.050 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: legislative, and the judiciary as an aggregate. Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004002 04:33:58.720 --> 04:34:00.220 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Can you break down the amount? h2r5-turn-004003 04:34:01.400 --> 04:34:02.980 Rep. Allan U. Ty: And as to the percentage? h2r5-turn-004004 04:34:31.540 --> 04:34:37.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, for Congress, Your Honor, Congress referring to Senate and h2r5-turn-004005 04:34:37.820 --> 04:34:41.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the House of Representatives. The total proposed budget in the NEP is h2r5-turn-004006 04:34:41.940 --> 04:34:45.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 27.892 billion pesos. h2r5-turn-004007 04:34:46.710 --> 04:34:50.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For the judiciary, the entire judiciary, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-004008 04:34:50.500 --> 04:34:54.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, consistent with the Judicial Fiscal Autonomy Act, h2r5-turn-004009 04:34:54.780 --> 04:34:56.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the total amount h2r5-turn-004010 04:34:56.100 --> 04:34:59.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proposed by the judiciary, which is included in the NEP, h2r5-turn-004011 04:34:59.540 --> 04:35:04.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is 86.270 billion h2r5-turn-004012 04:35:04.160 --> 04:35:06.360 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pesos, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004014 04:35:07.220 --> 04:35:16.520 Rep. Allan U. Ty: And the rest? Of the 7.2 trillion, net of lump sums and interest payments and automatic appropriations, for the executive branch. h2r5-turn-004015 04:35:17.000 --> 04:35:21.900 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, Mr. Secretary, in terms of percentage, Congress of the Philippines' h2r5-turn-004016 04:35:22.200 --> 04:35:29.820 Rep. Allan U. Ty: percentage to the total expenditure program is only 0.4 percent. Am I correct? h2r5-turn-004017 04:35:30.080 --> 04:35:31.440 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Or less than 0 h2r5-turn-004018 04:35:31.440 --> 04:35:33.160 Rep. Allan U. Ty: .5 percent? h2r5-turn-004022 04:35:42.770 --> 04:35:43.310 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based h2r5-turn-004023 04:35:43.310 --> 04:35:50.250 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on my quick calculation, Your Honor, it's about 0.4 percent, if it's correct, h2r5-turn-004024 04:35:50.450 --> 04:35:52.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: versus h2r5-turn-004025 04:35:52.190 --> 04:35:53.610 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: TEP. h2r5-turn-004026 04:35:56.700 --> 04:36:00.880 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Magkaiba po kami ng calculator, Your Honor. Chicheck ko lang po yung brand. Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-004027 04:36:11.220 --> 04:36:11.456 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Makaiba h2r5-turn-004028 04:36:11.456 --> 04:36:17.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po kami ng brand ng calculator, Your Honor. For Congress, it's just about 0.39 percent. h2r5-turn-004029 04:36:17.540 --> 04:36:18.900 Rep. Allan U. Ty: How about for judiciary? h2r5-turn-004030 04:36:19.300 --> 04:36:22.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For judiciary, it's about 0.36. h2r5-turn-004031 04:36:27.680 --> 04:36:30.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's about 1 h2r5-turn-004032 04:36:30.680 --> 04:36:32.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .19 percent, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004033 04:36:33.720 --> 04:36:36.300 Rep. Allan U. Ty: And the rest is for the executive branch. h2r5-turn-004034 04:36:36.740 --> 04:36:38.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Including interest payments and other h2r5-turn-004035 04:36:38.680 --> 04:36:39.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: automatic h2r5-turn-004036 04:36:39.040 --> 04:36:40.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: appropriations, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004036-split-2 04:36:40.060 --> 04:36:41.120 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Correct, Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-004037 04:36:42.140 --> 04:36:46.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, the rest. But with the exception of h2r5-turn-004038 04:36:46.820 --> 04:36:51.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: constitutional commissions, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004039 04:36:52.440 --> 04:36:59.280 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Secretary. So, what is the approved disbursement program for fiscal year 2026? h2r5-turn-004040 04:37:06.130 --> 04:37:16.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2026, Your Honor, the latest DBCC-approved disbursement program is at 6.465 trillion pesos, h2r5-turn-004041 04:37:16.550 --> 04:37:17.790 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004042 04:37:18.850 --> 04:37:23.730 Rep. Allan U. Ty: How about for fiscal year 2027? What is the proposed disbursement program? h2r5-turn-004043 04:37:23.990 --> 04:37:29.710 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For fiscal year 2027, that is 6.9 trillion pesos, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004044 04:37:33.470 --> 04:37:39.968 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Of the FY2026 disbursement program, how much is expected to be h2r5-turn-004045 04:37:39.968 --> 04:37:42.890 Rep. Allan U. Ty: used for the settlement of outstanding accounts payable? h2r5-turn-004046 04:37:43.650 --> 04:37:45.610 Rep. Allan U. Ty: And how much are accounts payable? h2r5-turn-004047 04:37:47.350 --> 04:37:54.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, accounts payable is actually a moving figure, including current and prior years. h2r5-turn-004048 04:37:55.330 --> 04:37:58.410 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If the Honorable h2r5-turn-004049 04:37:58.410 --> 04:38:10.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Congressman and Chair would allow, we can submit that information to the Committee on Appropriations. As we will have to validate again. Exactly. Which portion of the disbursement program will go to accounts payables? h2r5-turn-004050 04:38:10.730 --> 04:38:16.230 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, can you not go over your derivation of the FY2026 cash appropriations? h2r5-turn-004051 04:38:16.650 --> 04:38:22.650 Rep. Allan U. Ty: It states here that in 2026, you have around accounts payable of 1.190 billion. h2r5-turn-004052 04:38:24.170 --> 04:38:27.070 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Honorable T. h2r5-turn-004053 04:38:27.650 --> 04:38:32.170 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That will be the last question. Secretary Kim, please reply. h2r5-turn-004054 04:38:32.910 --> 04:38:34.310 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Then the other will be submitted. h2r5-turn-004055 04:38:35.950 --> 04:38:37.110 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Honorable T, thank you. h2r5-turn-004056 04:38:37.590 --> 04:38:50.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, we will do submit the details because apparently we don't have that figure right now in any of our briefing materials. But we'll definitely submit or get back to the Honorable Representative as soon as we get the information. h2r5-turn-004057 04:38:51.670 --> 04:38:53.210 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Is that okay with the Honorable Ty? h2r5-turn-004057-split-2 04:38:53.210 --> 04:38:53.570 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Yes, and h2r5-turn-004058 04:38:53.570 --> 04:38:58.030 Rep. Allan U. Ty: also for the projected disbursement program for FY2027. h2r5-turn-004059 04:38:58.930 --> 04:39:03.090 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will do, Your Honor, part of the accounts payables for 2027. h2r5-turn-004060 04:39:03.910 --> 04:39:05.170 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much. h2r5-turn-004061 04:39:05.950 --> 04:39:07.270 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Honorable Allan, h2r5-turn-004062 04:39:07.530 --> 04:39:08.110 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: so h2r5-turn-004063 04:39:08.110 --> 04:39:09.310 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I'll h2r5-turn-004064 04:39:09.310 --> 04:39:10.590 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: reserve for the second round. h2r5-turn-004065 04:39:11.810 --> 04:39:13.750 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So we go back to the majority. h2r5-turn-004066 04:39:15.470 --> 04:39:17.550 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Tatawagin ko po yung katabi ko, si h2r5-turn-004067 04:39:17.550 --> 04:39:18.630 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Chairman, h2r5-turn-004068 04:39:18.910 --> 04:39:20.850 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Representative Miro h2r5-turn-004069 04:39:20.850 --> 04:39:21.250 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Quimbo. h2r5-turn-004070 04:39:22.610 --> 04:39:23.630 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed. h2r5-turn-004071 04:39:25.150 --> 04:39:29.090 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Maraming salamat. Magandang gabi, Senior h2r5-turn-004072 04:39:29.090 --> 04:39:32.990 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Vice Chairman Abet and to the members of the committee, h2r5-turn-004073 04:39:33.810 --> 04:39:35.190 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: as well as our resource persons. h2r5-turn-004074 04:39:36.970 --> 04:39:42.610 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: My question is very, very quick, very short. I'm sure everybody says that, but anyway. h2r5-turn-004075 04:39:44.030 --> 04:39:46.630 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Secretary Kim, congratulations on your appointment. h2r5-turn-004076 04:39:47.170 --> 04:39:48.610 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I've always been h2r5-turn-004077 04:39:48.610 --> 04:39:52.130 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: telling my colleagues that I've worked with somebody with h2r5-turn-004078 04:39:52.130 --> 04:39:54.150 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: you in the past and you're h2r5-turn-004079 04:39:54.150 --> 04:39:59.790 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: certainly somebody who finds solutions instead of raising problems, which h2r5-turn-004080 04:39:59.790 --> 04:40:00.750 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I think is very, very important. h2r5-turn-004081 04:40:02.230 --> 04:40:02.830 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Ang h2r5-turn-004082 04:40:02.830 --> 04:40:04.950 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: tanong ko is relative to underspending. h2r5-turn-004083 04:40:06.350 --> 04:40:06.830 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I h2r5-turn-004084 04:40:06.830 --> 04:40:09.470 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: do not know if you have the figures at least for 2025. h2r5-turn-004085 04:40:10.730 --> 04:40:13.670 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Would it be too premature to ask for 2026? h2r5-turn-004086 04:40:14.750 --> 04:40:17.330 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: What is our underspending relative to h2r5-turn-004087 04:40:17.330 --> 04:40:20.350 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: year-on-year? Or kaya na ba yun h2r5-turn-004088 04:40:20.350 --> 04:40:22.210 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: makalculate? h2r5-turn-004089 04:40:22.610 --> 04:40:25.170 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Kasi two years yan, di ba, ang ating effectivity? h2r5-turn-004090 04:40:27.390 --> 04:40:35.750 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, the closest that we can probably get when we talk about underspending would be actual disbursement based on program. h2r5-turn-004091 04:40:37.250 --> 04:40:39.390 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: This is for 2026, correct? h2r5-turn-004092 04:40:44.330 --> 04:40:48.930 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Disbursement as of June 30, Your Honor, that we can actually secure. h2r5-turn-004093 04:40:50.190 --> 04:40:55.750 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Can you provide me, just provide me in writing, but if you have it, h2r5-turn-004094 04:40:55.910 --> 04:40:59.730 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: you have it by department or h2r5-turn-004095 04:40:59.730 --> 04:41:00.470 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: in general? h2r5-turn-004096 04:41:00.630 --> 04:41:09.250 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: By department, Your Honor, we will submit by department actual disbursement as of end of 2025, full year, including that of... h2r5-turn-004097 04:41:09.950 --> 04:41:13.530 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mid-year of 2026 as well. We can provide that, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004098 04:41:13.770 --> 04:41:17.170 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: What is the general figure? What do you have in terms of underspending? h2r5-turn-004099 04:41:23.670 --> 04:41:25.570 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Kahit for 2025 na lang? h2r5-turn-004100 04:41:29.930 --> 04:41:33.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Full year 2025, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, the h2r5-turn-004101 04:41:33.690 --> 04:41:40.030 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: program disbursement for 2025 is 6.082 trillions and h2r5-turn-004102 04:41:40.030 --> 04:41:44.510 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the actual spending is 6.030 trillion, h2r5-turn-004103 04:41:44.750 --> 04:41:46.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: about 52 h2r5-turn-004104 04:41:46.070 --> 04:41:48.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion h2r5-turn-004105 04:41:48.110 --> 04:41:50.910 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: short from the program. Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004106 04:41:52.010 --> 04:41:54.950 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: And for 2026, you have a mid-year figure? h2r5-turn-004107 04:41:55.470 --> 04:41:55.810 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For h2r5-turn-004108 04:41:59.140 --> 04:42:05.200 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For 2026, Your Honor, our mid-year program is about 3— h2r5-turn-004108-split-2 04:42:05.200 --> 04:42:05.640 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Excuse me, my h2r5-turn-004109 04:42:05.640 --> 04:42:08.820 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: time is still moving. Go ahead, Secretary. h2r5-turn-004110 04:42:09.600 --> 04:42:16.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Our mid-year program for expenditure, Your Honor, is 3.176 and h2r5-turn-004111 04:42:16.860 --> 04:42:25.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: our actual disbursement is about 3.175. So, only about 1 billion short from our program, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004112 04:42:26.360 --> 04:42:28.600 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: How do you define spending? h2r5-turn-004113 04:42:28.960 --> 04:42:31.020 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Is that obligated or h2r5-turn-004114 04:42:31.020 --> 04:42:33.680 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: binayad na talaga yan? h2r5-turn-004115 04:42:33.700 --> 04:42:36.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Actual disbursement po ito, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004116 04:42:37.120 --> 04:42:37.560 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Okay. h2r5-turn-004117 04:42:39.580 --> 04:42:40.020 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, h2r5-turn-004118 04:42:40.020 --> 04:42:43.640 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: am I accurate to say that we are practically not h2r5-turn-004119 04:42:43.640 --> 04:42:45.360 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: underspending today? Tama ba? h2r5-turn-004120 04:42:45.740 --> 04:42:46.900 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: That's news to us, ha? h2r5-turn-004121 04:42:49.150 --> 04:42:55.010 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on the latest figures as of June, Your Honor, we're just 1 billion short of our programmed expenditure. h2r5-turn-004122 04:42:56.610 --> 04:42:57.810 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Okay. Just h2r5-turn-004123 04:42:57.810 --> 04:43:00.570 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: provide us by department in writing na lang. h2r5-turn-004124 04:43:00.730 --> 04:43:02.370 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor, we'll provide. h2r5-turn-004125 04:43:02.370 --> 04:43:06.350 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, having said that, at least with that 1 billion that we're referring to or talking about, h2r5-turn-004126 04:43:07.150 --> 04:43:10.650 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: you do recognize that underspending is a major sin. h2r5-turn-004127 04:43:10.990 --> 04:43:12.510 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Meaning, when h2r5-turn-004128 04:43:12.510 --> 04:43:14.710 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: you set aside money and it doesn't happen, h2r5-turn-004129 04:43:15.290 --> 04:43:20.170 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: there are cascading effects. To us laymen, what is the effect when that happens? h2r5-turn-004130 04:43:21.070 --> 04:43:28.610 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor, as we have seen, of course, economic activity, we're also limited and even our growth was affected if government itself h2r5-turn-004131 04:43:28.610 --> 04:43:32.090 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: was not able to spend what was appropriated. h2r5-turn-004132 04:43:32.530 --> 04:43:37.230 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And plus the fact that when the projects were actually funded, h2r5-turn-004133 04:43:37.410 --> 04:43:40.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there were other projects that were not funded as well. So, these were h2r5-turn-004134 04:43:40.830 --> 04:43:48.910 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: put into sideline to prioritize these projects. So, we really would like these projects to be implemented, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004135 04:43:50.410 --> 04:43:54.670 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I state that, Secretary, because one of the reasons why there is... is h2r5-turn-004136 04:43:54.670 --> 04:43:57.870 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: underspending at least for public works is h2r5-turn-004137 04:43:57.870 --> 04:44:03.310 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: primarily because of a number of requirements, which today we are also facing relative h2r5-turn-004138 04:44:03.310 --> 04:44:06.770 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: to the issuance of the or the NEP h2r5-turn-004139 04:44:06.770 --> 04:44:07.290 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: results. h2r5-turn-004140 04:44:08.210 --> 04:44:10.270 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Meron kasing isa dun is yung... h2r5-turn-004141 04:44:11.030 --> 04:44:15.370 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: One of the reasons why things don't get implemented is h2r5-turn-004142 04:44:15.370 --> 04:44:18.050 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: the lack of support on the part of the local government. h2r5-turn-004143 04:44:18.730 --> 04:44:19.710 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, isa yun eh. h2r5-turn-004144 04:44:19.950 --> 04:44:22.270 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Pag hindi nakakuha ng building permit, h2r5-turn-004145 04:44:22.610 --> 04:44:23.850 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: location plan, h2r5-turn-004146 04:44:24.470 --> 04:44:26.130 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: ng demolition permit, h2r5-turn-004147 04:44:26.410 --> 04:44:28.810 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: talagang walang magawa eh. h2r5-turn-004148 04:44:29.090 --> 04:44:36.710 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, today it's now a basic requirement for any new item in the budget of the DPWH. What h2r5-turn-004149 04:44:36.710 --> 04:44:40.950 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: is the remedy when that happens? We have to provide a remedy when the h2r5-turn-004150 04:44:40.950 --> 04:44:43.790 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: LGU itself becomes the stumbling block. h2r5-turn-004151 04:44:44.150 --> 04:44:45.490 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Ano bang recourse natin dyan? h2r5-turn-004152 04:44:46.590 --> 04:44:56.730 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I think number one, Mr. Chair, this is insofar as actual implementation is concerned, definitely yun pong permitting is... Already after the allotment was issued, h2r5-turn-004153 04:44:56.950 --> 04:45:00.650 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we are not requiring those permits prior to the release of the h2r5-turn-004154 04:45:00.650 --> 04:45:04.890 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allotment. And that is also why we put premium, Your Honor, dun po sa h2r5-turn-004155 04:45:04.890 --> 04:45:08.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: early coordination at h2r5-turn-004156 04:45:08.190 --> 04:45:12.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the very beginning of the planning. And even the departments, we actually require h2r5-turn-004157 04:45:12.950 --> 04:45:15.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: them during budget preparation. Ito pong for 2027, h2r5-turn-004158 04:45:16.210 --> 04:45:21.330 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there's already this manifestation that we require from the agencies. Ito pong mga ganitong h2r5-turn-004159 04:45:21.330 --> 04:45:28.310 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: coordination with the respective local... localities sa pagkuha po ng mga necessary permits, including national government, h2r5-turn-004160 04:45:28.650 --> 04:45:35.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: are actually tapos na or taken care of so that we avoid a similar occurrence for 2027, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004161 04:45:36.330 --> 04:45:40.830 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: But what happens kung sa CDC level pa lang, hindi siya tine-take up or in-approve? h2r5-turn-004162 04:45:41.050 --> 04:45:42.570 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: And that's pre-budgeting. h2r5-turn-004163 04:45:42.770 --> 04:45:44.210 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, anong recourse? h2r5-turn-004164 04:45:44.450 --> 04:45:49.330 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Ibig ba sabihin, if there's a political dynamics within a local h2r5-turn-004165 04:45:49.330 --> 04:45:52.370 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: government, wala nang talagang pag-asa makakuha ng pondo h2r5-turn-004166 04:45:52.370 --> 04:45:54.840 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: galing sa national government? What is the h2r5-turn-004167 04:45:54.840 --> 04:45:55.950 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: recourse, Secretary Kim? h2r5-turn-004168 04:45:58.570 --> 04:46:08.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Isa po kasi, Your Honor, sa kinukonsider natin is also a provision of the local government code on coordination, of course, with the local h2r5-turn-004169 04:46:08.110 --> 04:46:10.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: government units. But definitely, h2r5-turn-004170 04:46:10.670 --> 04:46:17.590 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in ideal sense, Your Honor, what we envision is dapat po aligned yung h2r5-turn-004171 04:46:17.590 --> 04:46:27.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: development plans, both at the local level, napapanig po sa regional development plan, at kung ano man po yung pupondohan ng national government, is actually in line with h2r5-turn-004172 04:46:27.950 --> 04:46:30.430 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the requirements of the local h2r5-turn-004173 04:46:30.430 --> 04:46:32.010 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: government unit. So, h2r5-turn-004174 04:46:32.030 --> 04:46:40.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the coordination part on the part of the national government agency who will implement the project is very h2r5-turn-004175 04:46:40.190 --> 04:46:44.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: crucial dun po sa subject matter, subject h2r5-turn-004176 04:46:44.070 --> 04:46:46.430 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: project that we are discussing, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004177 04:46:46.630 --> 04:46:48.370 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: It is crucial, but h2r5-turn-004178 04:46:48.370 --> 04:46:48.790 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: is it h2r5-turn-004179 04:46:48.790 --> 04:46:50.870 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: critical? Ibig ko sabihin, h2r5-turn-004180 04:46:50.990 --> 04:46:54.870 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: what if na, Secretary, that that's a situation on the ground? h2r5-turn-004181 04:46:56.010 --> 04:46:56.563 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: It's not uncommon, h2r5-turn-004182 04:46:56.730 --> 04:46:59.190 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: because I'm speaking from my own experience. h2r5-turn-004183 04:46:59.950 --> 04:47:00.990 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: What is the remedy? h2r5-turn-004184 04:47:01.210 --> 04:47:02.150 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Do we just h2r5-turn-004185 04:47:02.150 --> 04:47:05.730 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: write? I mean, anong sumulat na kami sa h2r5-turn-004186 04:47:05.730 --> 04:47:13.810 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: lahat, anti-red tape, pero wala eh. Anong remedy for development in a particular district? h2r5-turn-004187 04:47:15.270 --> 04:47:22.510 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I think while prior consultation with the local government code is something that is enshrined in the h2r5-turn-004188 04:47:22.510 --> 04:47:29.430 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: local government code, ito po ay mga priority. Ito po ay mga priority projects ng national government. So, I believe we really have to h2r5-turn-004189 04:47:29.430 --> 04:47:34.310 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: exhaust these remedies to make sure that the projects gets implemented, kasi h2r5-turn-004190 04:47:34.310 --> 04:47:38.930 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sayang naman po yung resources allocated for these projects that will also h2r5-turn-004191 04:47:38.930 --> 04:47:46.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: redound to benefits ng ating mga kababayan in that specific locality. Nevertheless, Your Honor, if h2r5-turn-004192 04:47:46.830 --> 04:47:55.770 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there is a specific project, then probably we can also call the attention of the anti-red tape authority, given that these are also national projects. h2r5-turn-004193 04:47:56.010 --> 04:47:59.170 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: We've done it, and they have been callous relative to that. h2r5-turn-004194 04:47:59.510 --> 04:48:00.310 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Sir Kim, h2r5-turn-004195 04:48:00.750 --> 04:48:08.450 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: yun lang naman ang tanong natin eh. Sa barangay, okay siya lahat, particularly for highly urbanized cities, we have no other requires higher than that authority. h2r5-turn-004196 04:48:08.870 --> 04:48:13.230 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: If I accept that answer, then that's not local autonomy, that's local h2r5-turn-004197 04:48:13.230 --> 04:48:17.150 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: authority monopoly. Hindi naman yun ang ini-envision ng batas. h2r5-turn-004198 04:48:17.250 --> 04:48:23.310 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Because power is meant to be shared equally, because hindi naman yung isang may repository of the truth eh. h2r5-turn-004199 04:48:23.430 --> 04:48:29.430 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, yun ang hinihingi kung ano ang pwedeng, kung ano ang magagawa sa ganyang pagkakataon. There has to be a solution, guys. h2r5-turn-004200 04:48:31.750 --> 04:48:36.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, since the project is enacted h2r5-turn-004201 04:48:36.290 --> 04:48:43.050 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in the GAA and hindi natin simply mapapalitan yung project, the other recourse that we are also top h2r5-turn-004202 04:48:43.050 --> 04:48:48.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of mind is we seek the intervention of the Department of Interior and Local Government, h2r5-turn-004203 04:48:48.630 --> 04:48:53.750 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: who has the power of supervision over the local government units, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004204 04:48:54.890 --> 04:48:57.890 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Hindi yung problema kasi. Hindi natin sa CDC pa lang eh, sa h2r5-turn-004205 04:48:57.890 --> 04:49:01.990 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: pre-budget eh. So, sa post, okay yun, pero yung pre, anong recourse? h2r5-turn-004206 04:49:02.150 --> 04:49:06.210 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Kung hindi kami makadaan sa CDC, na hindi kami ma-agenda, paano yun? h2r5-turn-004207 04:49:35.180 --> 04:49:42.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, since these are actually more internal in terms of local government operations, may we respectfully defer to the h2r5-turn-004208 04:49:42.760 --> 04:49:46.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DILG on other possible recourse on that particular instance? h2r5-turn-004209 04:49:47.640 --> 04:49:50.980 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I will have to seek your intervention. h2r5-turn-004210 04:49:51.680 --> 04:49:53.460 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Because this is a budget matter. h2r5-turn-004211 04:49:54.200 --> 04:49:59.600 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Whether it is putting it in the GAA itself, at least on the implementation side, saying that h2r5-turn-004212 04:49:59.600 --> 04:50:08.440 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: items or permits are deemed approved, if submitted, complete within 30 days, and still there is no action, that's one recourse that we have. h2r5-turn-004213 04:50:08.640 --> 04:50:10.480 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: But it is the pre-budget that h2r5-turn-004214 04:50:10.480 --> 04:50:13.540 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: is my source of concern, which is really plaguing us, h2r5-turn-004215 04:50:13.760 --> 04:50:17.520 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: and especially with the requirements that you have come up with. Anong gagawin namin? h2r5-turn-004216 04:50:17.720 --> 04:50:20.260 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Mag-aantay kami ng isang taon, dalawang taon, h2r5-turn-004217 04:50:20.300 --> 04:50:25.080 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: bago kami magkaroon ng line item sa budget? We h2r5-turn-004218 04:50:26.520 --> 04:50:32.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We fully recognize that, Your Honor, especially its implications in succeeding projects for particular localities. h2r5-turn-004219 04:50:32.780 --> 04:50:38.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: localities. And we'll also check and sit down with the DILG on particular h2r5-turn-004220 04:50:38.220 --> 04:50:42.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: recourse or actions that we can take. We'd be happy to work with Your h2r5-turn-004221 04:50:42.640 --> 04:50:44.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor on this particular matter. h2r5-turn-004222 04:50:45.420 --> 04:50:48.480 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I will normally never accept h2r5-turn-004223 04:50:48.480 --> 04:50:50.920 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: that answer, but today I will accept it. h2r5-turn-004224 04:50:51.020 --> 04:50:53.420 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Because we cannot allow that h2r5-turn-004225 04:50:53.420 --> 04:50:56.560 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: there is political domination. It's the defense of our district. h2r5-turn-004226 04:50:56.760 --> 04:50:58.720 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Hindi talaga katanggap-tanggap. Kailangan h2r5-turn-004227 04:50:58.720 --> 04:51:00.400 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: mahanapin siya ng solusyon. h2r5-turn-004228 04:51:01.020 --> 04:51:03.180 Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Thank you very much, SBC. h2r5-turn-004229 04:51:04.040 --> 04:51:06.240 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat, Kong Miro. h2r5-turn-004230 04:51:07.180 --> 04:51:09.740 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And I hope DBM h2r5-turn-004231 04:51:09.740 --> 04:51:12.660 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: with DILG and the representative of h2r5-turn-004232 04:51:12.660 --> 04:51:16.400 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Marikina resolves this issue very, very soon. h2r5-turn-004233 04:51:16.880 --> 04:51:17.360 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. h2r5-turn-004234 04:51:17.900 --> 04:51:19.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, for h2r5-turn-004235 04:51:19.380 --> 04:51:22.140 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the last representative, h2r5-turn-004236 04:51:22.400 --> 04:51:23.460 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: for the first round, h2r5-turn-004237 04:51:24.940 --> 04:51:29.200 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Marikina. Who would propound her questions, may we call on h2r5-turn-004238 04:51:29.200 --> 04:51:31.960 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congresswoman Renee Co. h2r5-turn-004239 04:51:33.060 --> 04:51:33.940 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Chair. h2r5-turn-004240 04:51:35.920 --> 04:51:37.980 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: First questions ko po for DBM. h2r5-turn-004241 04:51:38.560 --> 04:51:44.220 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Na-mention po kanina yung free higher education deficiency. And yung update din po, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-004242 04:51:44.400 --> 04:51:52.060 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that may 9.75 billion na nga pong released from the free higher education deficiency. So, I'm happy to hear that. h2r5-turn-004243 04:51:52.200 --> 04:52:15.960 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: May 12 billion kasi pong na-promise. From last year's budget deliberations. Dahil may deficiency na hindi na-release to the SUCs. And na-pinpoint actually yung cause of that. May several questions po ako para ma-ensure na hindi na po ulit mangyari ito. Una po, nakalagay h2r5-turn-004244 04:52:15.960 --> 04:52:25.920 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: po kasi sa RA 10931 na dapat po ang basihan ng formula ng budget ng SUC ay yung projected number of enrollees for each academic year. Since h2r5-turn-004245 04:52:25.920 --> 04:52:35.200 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: 2022, nung nalipat po sa DBM yung pag-calculate ng budget neto, ang nakuha nating report ay naging based h2r5-turn-004246 04:52:35.200 --> 04:52:43.840 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: po on actual number of enrollees of the previous academic year. Ito po yung naging root cause ultimately kung bakit merong 12 billion higher h2r5-turn-004247 04:52:43.840 --> 04:52:45.400 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: education h2r5-turn-004248 04:52:45.400 --> 04:52:48.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: deficiency. So, can h2r5-turn-004249 04:52:48.480 --> 04:52:57.200 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: I ask the good secretary kung resolved na po ba ito? Ano po ba yung formula na gamit nyo ngayon para i-calculate? Yung budget ng SUCs. h2r5-turn-004250 04:53:00.360 --> 04:53:06.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, in calculating for particularly for the 2027 level h2r5-turn-004251 04:53:06.880 --> 04:53:07.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for h2r5-turn-004252 04:53:07.740 --> 04:53:10.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the free h2r5-turn-004253 04:53:10.060 --> 04:53:17.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education, we have used the average actual enrollment including the growth over the past three years so h2r5-turn-004254 04:53:17.780 --> 04:53:23.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that at the very least we can apply hindi lang po yung actual but even yung projected growth based on historical h2r5-turn-004255 04:53:23.960 --> 04:53:26.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: figure. So, this way, h2r5-turn-004256 04:53:26.580 --> 04:53:33.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: medyo mas malapit po ito. Hopefully, mas malapit po ito because you already factored in potential average growth rate. h2r5-turn-004257 04:53:33.700 --> 04:53:38.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Hindi na lang po siya yung actual as of last academic year. h2r5-turn-004258 04:53:38.240 --> 04:53:46.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: In addition, continues po, your honor, Mr. Chair, yung aming discussion with CHED and UNIFAST para po mas mai-align h2r5-turn-004259 04:53:46.960 --> 04:53:52.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung programming for the universal access for quality tertiary education. In h2r5-turn-004260 04:53:52.140 --> 04:53:56.420 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fact, meron pong ongoing study on the normative formula for h2r5-turn-004261 04:53:56.420 --> 04:53:59.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: our state universities and colleges. And meron po kaming h2r5-turn-004262 04:53:59.380 --> 04:54:03.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: scheduled meeting this week kung hindi po makancel h2r5-turn-004263 04:54:03.380 --> 04:54:05.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dahil sa malakas h2r5-turn-004264 04:54:05.120 --> 04:54:08.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pong pag-ulan. We are scheduled to meet po with CHED, UNIFAST, and some h2r5-turn-004265 04:54:08.840 --> 04:54:14.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: representatives of our SUCs to discuss the proposed normative financing moving forward. h2r5-turn-004266 04:54:14.700 --> 04:54:46.760 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Mr. Chair, Secretary, magkukompang question na rin ako dahil marami tayong gustong itanong. So, una po, actually, yung unang nirequest natin last year nung kinampanya po ito kasama yung SUC administrators and student leaders, ay 15 billion po yung FHE deficiency na isagot dahil po inaasahan natin na meron pa rin deficiency from 2025 to 2026 dahil hindi nga po nagbago yung calculation. So, can I ask po, okay, from yung 12 billion covering up to 2025, h2r5-turn-004267 04:54:47.360 --> 04:54:53.660 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ano po ba yung deficiency from 2025 to 2026, if any, Secretary, Mr. Chair? h2r5-turn-004268 04:54:59.840 --> 04:55:14.840 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And to add na lang din po, dahil noong kinokontrol, kung consult po natin yung state universities and college, they're reporting na meron pa rin. Lumiit, pero meron pa rin pong deficiency. So, syempre, we'd like to ask, paano po yun? And paano po syempre i-cover yun? h2r5-turn-004269 04:55:15.220 --> 04:55:22.420 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on latest data available to DBM, Your Honor, we don't have yet information on the supposed deficiency. h2r5-turn-004270 04:55:22.920 --> 04:55:29.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And we stand ready and we continuously coordinate with CHED and UNIFAST so that we can secure the data so h2r5-turn-004271 04:55:29.960 --> 04:55:33.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that once we go back to Congress, we can at least find some solution. There's h2r5-turn-004272 04:55:33.980 --> 04:55:38.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: funding deficiency and where we can source them in the event there's a deficiency for h2r5-turn-004273 04:55:38.780 --> 04:55:40.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the latest academic year, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004274 04:55:41.400 --> 04:55:46.960 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But that's for the latest, no? Pero meron tayong previous academic years na hindi po na-cover ng 12 billion. h2r5-turn-004275 04:55:47.300 --> 04:55:49.460 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But anyway, we have data rin po, Secretary, h2r5-turn-004276 04:55:49.880 --> 04:56:18.620 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Mr. Chair. We can submit that para po ma-insure na kung ano man pong kailangan may pondo ay mapondohan sa pinakakagyat. Next question po, regarding din sa operation ng SUCs. We are aware. We are aware that DBM, in a memo, required different government agencies to essentially ibalik 20% ng kanilang MOOE para po sa uplift, I assume. And ang h2r5-turn-004277 04:56:18.620 --> 04:56:33.740 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ating SUCs ay nag-submit ng kanilang posesyon na sana hindi po gawin for SUCs. Kulang na kulang na nga po yung budget sa operations, matatanggalan pa rin po. May I ask DBM kung meron na po ba silang response doon? Doon sa kanilang concern. h2r5-turn-004278 04:56:35.900 --> 04:56:49.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, we confirm that we have received that request from our SUCs for exemption from the implementation of NBC 906, 602 and 603. However, we are constrained h2r5-turn-004279 04:56:49.960 --> 04:56:54.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: because there is no such provision for any exemption. What we clarified sa h2r5-turn-004280 04:56:54.940 --> 04:56:57.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: atin pong mga SUCs, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-004281 04:56:57.680 --> 04:57:01.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is not, it's just that we are not asking for, h2r5-turn-004282 04:57:01.980 --> 04:57:03.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 20% of their MOOE. h2r5-turn-004283 04:57:03.700 --> 04:57:11.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The coverage of the circular is actually 20% of unobligated MOOE, which is different from 20% h2r5-turn-004284 04:57:11.620 --> 04:57:12.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of MOOE. h2r5-turn-004285 04:57:12.960 --> 04:57:16.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Because, of course, we don't calculate and get savings from h2r5-turn-004286 04:57:16.700 --> 04:57:21.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allotments already obligated. So that's two different figures. And we h2r5-turn-004287 04:57:21.740 --> 04:57:24.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: thank, of course, those SUCs who have heeded the call. h2r5-turn-004288 04:57:24.560 --> 04:57:33.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May mga nakapag-submit naman po ng savings nila in accordance sa NBC 602. And 603, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004289 04:57:34.040 --> 04:57:44.860 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Mr. Chair, may isa pa rin po tayong nakuhang concern from SUCs na meron po silang mga MOOEs requested for extension campuses na hindi po nag-agrant. h2r5-turn-004290 04:57:45.180 --> 04:58:06.420 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And dahil po doon napapwersang kumuha ng piece of the pie sa MOOE ng main campuses para po mapondohan lang yung operations ng extension campuses. We can discuss this po. Would the good secretary be amenable to a dialogue or a discussion para po ma-insure na hindi po, kung mangyari ito para po pondo and continuous yung operations ng lahat ng SUCs natin? h2r5-turn-004291 04:58:07.200 --> 04:58:15.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We fully recognize that, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, in fact, we're maintaining an inventory of all recent legislations as well, h2r5-turn-004292 04:58:17.020 --> 04:58:23.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: institutionalizing satellite campuses or annexes so that this can be factored in in our programming, h2r5-turn-004293 04:58:23.240 --> 04:58:29.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: but also cognizant of available resources din po sa ating mga SUCs, kabilang na nga rin po itong h2r5-turn-004294 04:58:29.120 --> 04:58:34.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: latest release natin in settling our arrears for free higher education. But we'd be happy to sit h2r5-turn-004295 04:58:34.620 --> 04:58:38.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: with Your Honor to strategize how we'll be able to h2r5-turn-004296 04:58:38.960 --> 04:58:41.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: settle h2r5-turn-004297 04:58:41.060 --> 04:58:47.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ito pong ating mga funding requirements for satellite units and extension campuses. h2r5-turn-004298 04:58:48.060 --> 04:58:56.220 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Happy to hear that, Secretary, lalo na po, as it stands, may mga kawawa po talagang legislated extension campuses dahil wala pong pondo. Next h2r5-turn-004299 04:58:56.220 --> 04:58:59.820 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: question ko po ay on confidential and intelligence funds. h2r5-turn-004300 04:59:01.140 --> 04:59:16.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: According to—during our turnover, you mentioned po na yung mga ahensya lang pong legally authorized ang merong CIF this 2027. Can I ask, ano pong mga ahensya ang legally authorized to have CIF? Is there a list that DBM has? h2r5-turn-004301 04:59:18.220 --> 04:59:28.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, the following po are the agencies with confidential expenses in the proposed 2027 NEP. h2r5-turn-004303 04:59:31.280 --> 04:59:32.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Can h2r5-turn-004304 04:59:32.480 --> 04:59:41.740 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: I ask, Mr. Chair, so yan po ay for 2027, every year po ba that changes according to which agency requests for confidential funds? h2r5-turn-004305 04:59:42.420 --> 04:59:47.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Not necessarily, Your Honor. In fact, for 2027, we h2r5-turn-004306 04:59:47.300 --> 04:59:50.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: reverted to the h2r5-turn-004307 04:59:50.780 --> 04:59:57.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: same agencies na meron pong confidential and intelligence funds under the 2026 NEP. So h2r5-turn-004308 04:59:57.160 --> 04:59:58.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: these are practically same h2r5-turn-004309 04:59:58.960 --> 05:00:03.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agencies when we refer to the NEP. Although the levels are lower h2r5-turn-004310 05:00:03.520 --> 05:00:07.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: than the 2026 GAA, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004311 05:00:08.480 --> 05:00:14.240 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So there's no one list? Na ito lang pong pwedeng mga ahensya may CIF, yung h2r5-turn-004312 05:00:14.240 --> 05:00:14.820 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: iba hindi? h2r5-turn-004313 05:00:16.000 --> 05:00:26.601 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po yung list, Your Honor, If that is what we refer to as the one list, then these are the agencies who are legally authorized and historically provided for with confidential and intelligence funds. h2r5-turn-004314 05:00:27.300 --> 05:00:30.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in the GAA, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004315 05:00:33.520 --> 05:00:35.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Should I mention the agencies? h2r5-turn-004316 05:00:35.280 --> 05:00:36.168 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Yes, if you could, Secretary. h2r5-turn-004317 05:00:42.190 --> 05:00:44.225 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So we start with h2r5-turn-004318 05:00:44.225 --> 05:00:45.242 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the confidential funds. h2r5-turn-004319 05:00:45.242 --> 05:00:49.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For confidential funds, Your Honor: the Office of the President; DENR-OSEC; h2r5-turn-004320 05:00:49.820 --> 05:00:50.837 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOF-BOC; h2r5-turn-004321 05:00:50.837 --> 05:00:53.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOF-BIR; h2r5-turn-004322 05:00:53.380 --> 05:00:54.397 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DILG-OSEC; h2r5-turn-004323 05:00:54.397 --> 05:00:58.466 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOJ-OSEC; h2r5-turn-004324 05:00:58.466 --> 05:00:58.975 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: [unclear agency name]; h2r5-turn-004330 05:01:05.950 --> 05:01:09.470 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Bureau of Immigration, DOJ NBI, h2r5-turn-004331 05:01:09.850 --> 05:01:12.450 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOJ Office h2r5-turn-004332 05:01:12.450 --> 05:01:13.610 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of the Solicitor General, h2r5-turn-004333 05:01:14.010 --> 05:01:16.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DND OSEC, h2r5-turn-004334 05:01:16.270 --> 05:01:20.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DSWD OSEC, h2r5-turn-004335 05:01:20.890 --> 05:01:25.470 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOTR Office of Transportation Security, the h2r5-turn-004336 05:01:25.470 --> 05:01:27.050 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Anti-Money Laundering Council, h2r5-turn-004337 05:01:28.030 --> 05:01:29.810 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Games and Amusement Board, h2r5-turn-004338 05:01:30.150 --> 05:01:34.230 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: National Intelligence Coordinating Agency, National Security Council, h2r5-turn-004339 05:01:34.710 --> 05:01:36.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: OPAPRU, PIDEA, h2r5-turn-004340 05:01:36.330 --> 05:01:41.150 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: COA, the Ombudsman, Commission on Human Rights. Basically, your honor, those h2r5-turn-004341 05:01:41.150 --> 05:01:46.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: with mandate in conduct of surveillance activities, counterintelligence, and investigation. h2r5-turn-004342 05:01:47.150 --> 05:01:49.330 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For intelligence funds, your honor, h2r5-turn-004343 05:01:49.530 --> 05:01:53.250 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it's limited to the Office of the President, the h2r5-turn-004344 05:01:53.250 --> 05:01:54.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Philippine National Police, h2r5-turn-004345 05:01:55.110 --> 05:01:55.710 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the h2r5-turn-004346 05:01:55.710 --> 05:01:56.930 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DND OSEC, h2r5-turn-004347 05:01:57.090 --> 05:02:00.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the Armed Forces of the Philippines, the h2r5-turn-004348 05:02:00.190 --> 05:02:04.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Philippine Coast Guard and NICA, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004349 05:02:04.910 --> 05:02:13.070 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So kung may ahensya po bang gustong may confidential activities or gustong maipa confidential expenses, they have to ask DBM? h2r5-turn-004350 05:02:13.530 --> 05:02:19.030 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Does DBM have the power to say, sige, pwede, and then ilagay natin sa budget? h2r5-turn-004351 05:02:19.690 --> 05:02:26.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Any request for the grant of confidential expenses, your honor, will have to be... will be evaluated based on their mandate. h2r5-turn-004352 05:02:26.450 --> 05:02:29.170 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If the agency has the mandate in conducting h2r5-turn-004353 05:02:29.170 --> 05:02:31.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: surveillance h2r5-turn-004354 05:02:31.630 --> 05:02:35.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: and counter-surveillance activities, yun lamang po yung magiging basis h2r5-turn-004355 05:02:35.830 --> 05:02:39.070 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: natin sa pag-propose ng h2r5-turn-004356 05:02:39.070 --> 05:02:43.430 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential expenses. But then again, your honor, Mr. Chair, in the 2027 budget, h2r5-turn-004357 05:02:43.710 --> 05:02:46.890 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nanatili po yung same list ng mga agencies na h2r5-turn-004358 05:02:46.890 --> 05:02:50.330 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron pong confidential and intelligence funds. h2r5-turn-004359 05:02:50.830 --> 05:02:55.130 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And wala po ang Department of Education and OVP. Dito sa list na ito. h2r5-turn-004360 05:02:55.270 --> 05:03:01.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We confirm, your honor, wala po ang Department of Education and Office of the Vice President sa h2r5-turn-004361 05:03:01.630 --> 05:03:03.110 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: listahan po ng h2r5-turn-004362 05:03:03.110 --> 05:03:06.670 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mayroong confidential and intelligence funds for 2027. h2r5-turn-004363 05:03:07.150 --> 05:03:09.690 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Or historically, have they never been in the list? h2r5-turn-004364 05:03:19.390 --> 05:03:23.030 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on this table, your honor, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-004365 05:03:23.350 --> 05:03:28.010 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there was one year kung saan po nagkaroon po ng confidential h2r5-turn-004366 05:03:28.010 --> 05:03:29.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fund ang h2r5-turn-004367 05:03:29.870 --> 05:03:34.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Office of the Vice President and DepEd. And that was in... In 2023, h2r5-turn-004368 05:03:35.650 --> 05:03:36.770 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: your honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004369 05:03:38.190 --> 05:03:38.830 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So, h2r5-turn-004370 05:03:38.830 --> 05:03:42.850 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: if they request again, maaaring i h2r5-turn-004371 05:03:42.850 --> 05:03:54.230 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: -evaluate pa rin ang DBM. So, I guess, this is of... I'm asking this dahil mataas po yung public interest dito. Currently, there's concurrent processes h2r5-turn-004372 05:03:54.230 --> 05:04:02.530 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in the Senate, tinitignan yung mandato ng DepEd and OVP to actually maghawak ng confidential and intelligence funds. It's been found that... h2r5-turn-004373 05:04:03.470 --> 05:04:10.770 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: It was used on tree planting activities, parties, other events. So, actually, my question would h2r5-turn-004374 05:04:10.770 --> 05:04:14.070 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: like to go a little bit in detail if the Chair will allow me. h2r5-turn-004375 05:04:14.210 --> 05:04:18.510 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Last question, Congresswoman Rennie. Pwede pa naman next round. h2r5-turn-004376 05:04:18.810 --> 05:04:20.110 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you. Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-004377 05:04:20.330 --> 05:04:22.430 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: can the DBM check the physical and h2r5-turn-004378 05:04:22.430 --> 05:04:33.050 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: financial plan? Ito po ay annex sa lahat ng mga agencies na nag-request at mag-share ng kanilang mga confidential expenses. h2r5-turn-004379 05:04:41.960 --> 05:04:51.860 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Can the DBM check and maybe deny yung request for confidential expenses based on the physical and financial plan kung na-check nila na hindi pala h2r5-turn-004380 05:04:51.860 --> 05:04:54.100 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in line sa mandate nila? h2r5-turn-004381 05:04:54.420 --> 05:05:07.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Well, sa umpisa pa lang po kasi, your honor, Mr. Chair, yun pong pagkakaroon ng confidential and intelligence funds, babalik po muli tayo dun sa mandate. Pagdating po dun sa physical and financial plan, h2r5-turn-004382 05:05:07.840 --> 05:05:11.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang DBM po, nire-review po natin yan. But our... Our h2r5-turn-004383 05:05:11.920 --> 05:05:17.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: visibility is also limited kasi nga po yung detalye siyempre po nung paggagamitan actually ay h2r5-turn-004384 05:05:17.500 --> 05:05:23.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential as well. So, yun po yung nagiging bahagi natin sa evaluation. h2r5-turn-004385 05:05:24.300 --> 05:05:34.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yun pong actual na pinagagamitan po, doon na po pumapasok yung role po ng COA sa pag-audit kung saan actually dinala yung confidential and intelligence funds ng mga ahensya. Mr. h2r5-turn-004386 05:05:34.380 --> 05:05:36.440 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Chair, I make this manifestation because h2r5-turn-004387 05:05:36.440 --> 05:05:38.240 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ayaw h2r5-turn-004388 05:05:38.240 --> 05:05:51.620 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: nating maulit yung nangyayari ngayon. Na ito... It took spending and then pagbubut-but ng COA and then years after, makikita kung gaano kadami yung anomalies bago makita na h2r5-turn-004389 05:05:51.620 --> 05:06:05.760 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: hindi pala tama, kailangan ibalik sa kaban ng bayan yung maling nagasta. So, if sa level pa lang po ng DBM, ay kaya na po pala siyang ma-check, may some level of discretion, may some level of h2r5-turn-004390 05:06:05.760 --> 05:06:07.400 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: accountability h2r5-turn-004391 05:06:07.400 --> 05:06:29.420 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: at that level, kaya na pong mangyari. We'd like to... We'd like to see kung pwedeng mas i-exercise ng DBM yun. And I'm asking this also dahil in 2018, nagkaroon po ng... or 2017, nagkaroon po ng sudden increase yung confidential expenses ng Office of the President. From 2016, 500 million, naging 2.5 billion na po. h2r5-turn-004392 05:06:29.540 --> 05:06:31.080 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And up h2r5-turn-004393 05:06:31.080 --> 05:06:59.500 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: until now, we don't have transparent reasons kung bakit, except noong 2017, may limang agencies and purposes na dinescribe. Kung saan po pwedeng pumunta tong 2.5 billion na ito. So may I ask, last question, Mr. Chair, this 2.5 billion pesos na ganito kalaki na confidential expenses ng Office of the President, may kaalaman po ba yung DBM kung saan po ito napupunta? Mayroon pong five purposes na nilista before. h2r5-turn-004394 05:07:00.340 --> 05:07:00.980 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Presidential h2r5-turn-004395 05:07:00.980 --> 05:07:05.020 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Anti-Organized Crime Commission, Philippine Center on Transnational Crime, h2r5-turn-004396 05:07:05.280 --> 05:07:11.740 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: etc. Pero hindi rin po detalyado. Walang specific budget allocation. Okay, h2r5-turn-004397 05:07:11.840 --> 05:07:14.600 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: so that will be the last question, Congresswoman Rene. h2r5-turn-004398 05:07:15.100 --> 05:07:17.080 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat. Secretary Kim, h2r5-turn-004399 05:07:17.120 --> 05:07:17.420 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: please h2r5-turn-004400 05:07:17.420 --> 05:07:18.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: reply. h2r5-turn-004401 05:07:18.780 --> 05:07:23.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, as to evaluating, we would continue evaluating any request. In fact, h2r5-turn-004402 05:07:23.960 --> 05:07:29.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for 2027, mayroon po kaming mga na-receive na request for confidential funds. h2r5-turn-004403 05:07:30.000 --> 05:07:37.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But upon evaluation, nakita po namin na po pwede namang hindi confidential yung nature ng expenses. At doon na lang po namin h2r5-turn-004404 05:07:37.120 --> 05:07:43.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: probably i-dadagdag. Instead of it being a confidential. So bahagi po yun nung ating evaluation. h2r5-turn-004405 05:07:43.600 --> 05:07:47.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As to the details kung saan po yung actual na paggamitan ng h2r5-turn-004406 05:07:47.920 --> 05:07:52.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential and intelligence funds, considering the nature of these funds, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-004407 05:07:52.660 --> 05:08:08.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nandun lang po kami sa overall program or overall strategies kung saan po ito maaaring mapunta. Consistent din po doon sa joint circular that is issued on how intelligence and confidential funds are authorized to be disbursed. Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004408 05:08:08.720 --> 05:08:10.200 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004409 05:08:10.200 --> 05:08:13.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Congresswoman Renee. And thank you very much, h2r5-turn-004410 05:08:13.320 --> 05:08:14.480 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Secretary Kim. h2r5-turn-004411 05:08:14.880 --> 05:08:17.540 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That ends our first round. h2r5-turn-004412 05:08:18.270 --> 05:08:21.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And we will proceed immediately to h2r5-turn-004413 05:08:21.220 --> 05:08:28.180 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: our second round. At dito po sa second round, wala na pong majority-minority independent. Kung h2r5-turn-004414 05:08:28.180 --> 05:08:29.880 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: sino po yung unang nag-register, h2r5-turn-004415 05:08:30.080 --> 05:08:31.720 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: sila po yung unang h2r5-turn-004416 05:08:31.720 --> 05:08:32.640 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: tatawagin. h2r5-turn-004417 05:08:32.720 --> 05:08:34.100 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, may h2r5-turn-004418 05:08:34.100 --> 05:08:34.860 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on h2r5-turn-004419 05:08:34.860 --> 05:08:38.660 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Representative Antonio Tinio to h2r5-turn-004420 05:08:38.660 --> 05:08:40.140 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: begin our second round. h2r5-turn-004421 05:08:40.300 --> 05:08:40.840 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. h2r5-turn-004422 05:08:41.420 --> 05:08:42.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you, Chair. h2r5-turn-004423 05:08:42.580 --> 05:08:46.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Chair, babalikan ko yung pera, personal economic relief allowance. h2r5-turn-004424 05:08:47.720 --> 05:08:51.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kanina, tama po ba ang intindi ko? Sabi ni Secretary h2r5-turn-004425 05:08:51.500 --> 05:08:52.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kim, h2r5-turn-004426 05:08:52.240 --> 05:08:53.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay may h2r5-turn-004427 05:08:53.080 --> 05:08:55.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: study ngayon and h2r5-turn-004428 05:08:55.200 --> 05:08:57.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: then they will hopefully h2r5-turn-004429 05:08:57.060 --> 05:09:00.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: recommend to the President that by 2027, h2r5-turn-004430 05:09:01.140 --> 05:09:03.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay mag-implement ng increase sa h2r5-turn-004431 05:09:03.620 --> 05:09:08.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pera o personal economic relief allowance. Tama po ba ang intindi ko? h2r5-turn-004432 05:09:08.680 --> 05:09:10.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun ang sinabi niyo kanina. h2r5-turn-004433 05:09:10.640 --> 05:09:13.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004434 05:09:13.340 --> 05:09:14.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Touch move na yan. h2r5-turn-004435 05:09:16.000 --> 05:09:20.180 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ibig sabihin, ang plano talaga or recommendation is by h2r5-turn-004436 05:09:20.180 --> 05:09:22.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2027, may h2r5-turn-004437 05:09:22.900 --> 05:09:26.900 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: increase sa pera. At matutuwa po ang lahat h2r5-turn-004438 05:09:26.900 --> 05:09:29.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng mga government employees na nandito, yung mga regular. h2r5-turn-004439 05:09:30.540 --> 05:09:31.140 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dahil h2r5-turn-004440 05:09:31.140 --> 05:09:35.240 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pinag-uusapan natin yung additional 2,000 a month na h2r5-turn-004441 05:09:35.240 --> 05:09:35.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: matagal ng h2r5-turn-004442 05:09:35.820 --> 05:09:37.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: napako. h2r5-turn-004444 05:09:39.680 --> 05:09:40.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course, h2r5-turn-004445 05:09:40.160 --> 05:09:43.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang tanong kagad dyan ay magkano? h2r5-turn-004446 05:09:44.240 --> 05:09:49.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kung increase, magkano? At may budget ba yan sa pinropose nyo? h2r5-turn-004447 05:09:51.040 --> 05:09:56.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, actually yun po yung bahagi ng pag-aaral. Kung magkano po yung maire-recommendang increase. h2r5-turn-004448 05:09:57.640 --> 05:10:01.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At yung pangalawa pong factor din is hopefully, h2r5-turn-004449 05:10:01.500 --> 05:10:06.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po yung magiging source po dito ay yung Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund, h2r5-turn-004450 05:10:06.480 --> 05:10:21.740 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun din po sana yung hinahabol natin. Na hanggat maaari ay hindi po mabawasan dahil yun po yung makakaapekto doon sa kakayahan nating makapag-implement nung any increase doon po sa ating pera allowance para sa ating mga government h2r5-turn-004451 05:10:21.740 --> 05:10:22.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: employees. h2r5-turn-004452 05:10:22.820 --> 05:10:29.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Kaya ako po tinatanong yan kasi nga 55 billion pesos ang nasa MPBF. Isang lump sum po yan. h2r5-turn-004453 05:10:29.880 --> 05:10:31.600 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At sabi nyo, dyan maaaring kunin. h2r5-turn-004454 05:10:31.780 --> 05:10:36.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And earlier, in my interpretation earlier, sinabi ko historically, yung h2r5-turn-004455 05:10:36.700 --> 05:10:38.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: MPBF isa sa mga ginagalaw. h2r5-turn-004456 05:10:39.740 --> 05:10:51.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Binabawasan to make room for congressional insertion. So, kaya gusto ko pong i-diin, Mr. Chair, na malinaw na, no, ang plano dito sa h2r5-turn-004457 05:10:51.500 --> 05:10:53.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 55 billion ay h2r5-turn-004458 05:10:53.360 --> 05:10:54.260 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pang pondo h2r5-turn-004459 05:10:54.260 --> 05:10:56.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa pera h2r5-turn-004460 05:10:56.160 --> 05:10:56.820 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng h2r5-turn-004461 05:10:56.820 --> 05:11:02.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: mga government employees. So, dapat hindi na ito galawin at bawasan ng h2r5-turn-004462 05:11:02.580 --> 05:11:03.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kongreso. h2r5-turn-004463 05:11:03.540 --> 05:11:05.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kung para h2r5-turn-004464 05:11:05.680 --> 05:11:07.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: magkaroon lang tayo ng idea, Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-004465 05:11:08.720 --> 05:11:13.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: magkano ba ang, for a 1,000 peso increase in the h2r5-turn-004466 05:11:13.120 --> 05:11:14.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pera, yung h2r5-turn-004467 05:11:14.520 --> 05:11:16.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2,000 maging 3,000, magkano ang kailangan? h2r5-turn-004468 05:11:18.460 --> 05:11:26.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kung, Mr. Chair, Your Honor, based on our estimate, kung 1,000 ang i-increase po ng pera, representing 50% increase, h2r5-turn-004469 05:11:27.220 --> 05:11:32.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it will have an annual funding requirement of about 24 billion pesos, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004470 05:11:33.560 --> 05:11:38.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 24 billion pesos, 55 billion ang MPBF. h2r5-turn-004471 05:11:39.780 --> 05:11:40.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, h2r5-turn-004472 05:11:40.380 --> 05:11:42.560 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: maximum, kaya ng 2,000. h2r5-turn-004473 05:11:42.940 --> 05:11:43.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? h2r5-turn-004474 05:11:44.780 --> 05:11:53.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Although, Your Honor, we have to note as well that yung pong Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund ay bukod po doon, ay may iba pa pong mga pinaggamitan. h2r5-turn-004474a 05:11:53.680 --> 05:11:54.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: We understand. h2r5-turn-004475 05:11:54.500 --> 05:11:56.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Nandito rin po yung performance-based bonus. h2r5-turn-004476 05:11:57.040 --> 05:12:02.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Opo. Yun pong ating funding for vacancies in the executive branch at kung meron man pong h2r5-turn-004477 05:12:02.640 --> 05:12:07.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mga changes in organizational staffing po ng ating mga government agencies. h2r5-turn-004478 05:12:08.940 --> 05:12:09.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. h2r5-turn-004479 05:12:09.420 --> 05:12:15.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Noted. Of course po. Ang sinasabi lang natin, it can accommodate up to 2,000. h2r5-turn-004480 05:12:15.100 --> 05:12:17.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In other words, a doubling of the h2r5-turn-004481 05:12:17.320 --> 05:12:19.760 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: current pera. h2r5-turn-004482 05:12:20.340 --> 05:12:23.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I-note ko lang po, yung subsistence allowance ng militar, h2r5-turn-004483 05:12:23.760 --> 05:12:29.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from 150 a day, ginawa niyong 350 a day. That's more than double. h2r5-turn-004484 05:12:30.920 --> 05:12:33.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? At magkano ang nakalaang pondo doon? h2r5-turn-004485 05:12:51.400 --> 05:12:59.085 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Actually, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, yun pong pondo for the adjusted subsistence allowance ng ating military and uniformed personnel, h2r5-turn-004486 05:12:59.085 --> 05:13:06.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dahil ito po ay nakafix na, alinsunod po doon sa EO, nasa respective agency budgets na po ito nakalodge. h2r5-turn-004487 05:13:06.460 --> 05:13:12.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ang total subsistence allowance po for our MUPs for 2027 is h2r5-turn-004488 05:13:12.000 --> 05:13:15.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: about 74 h2r5-turn-004489 05:13:15.040 --> 05:13:19.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion na nakadistribute na po, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, sa kanikanyang h2r5-turn-004490 05:13:19.560 --> 05:13:21.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agency-specific budgets. h2r5-turn-004491 05:13:23.020 --> 05:13:29.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ang pinupunto ko lang ay ganong kalaki po ang nilaan for the increase in subsistence allowance, bali h2r5-turn-004492 05:13:29.040 --> 05:13:29.380 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: second h2r5-turn-004493 05:13:29.380 --> 05:13:31.420 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: year na po ito. Tama ba? h2r5-turn-004494 05:13:31.760 --> 05:13:36.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kailangan na pong ihabol natin yung sa Sibilyan, which is pera. h2r5-turn-004495 05:13:36.300 --> 05:13:39.940 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, wala na pong galawan. Yun lang sinasabi, babantayan na po natin ito. h2r5-turn-004496 05:13:40.140 --> 05:13:40.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. h2r5-turn-004497 05:13:42.940 --> 05:13:44.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next question ko po, h2r5-turn-004498 05:13:44.880 --> 05:13:48.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: marami akong gustong itanong, pero nabanggit h2r5-turn-004499 05:13:48.120 --> 05:13:50.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung confidential and intelligence funds. h2r5-turn-004500 05:13:50.520 --> 05:13:51.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. h2r5-turn-004501 05:13:54.240 --> 05:13:58.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Una po, malinaw sa confidential and intelligence. Intelligence funds, 10 h2r5-turn-004502 05:13:58.780 --> 05:14:01.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: .8 billion total ang nasa budget. Tama po. h2r5-turn-004503 05:14:02.720 --> 05:14:05.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At 4.56 billion nito, h2r5-turn-004504 05:14:05.180 --> 05:14:08.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: o halos h2r5-turn-004505 05:14:08.300 --> 05:14:11.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kalahati, ay nasa Office of the President. h2r5-turn-004506 05:14:12.320 --> 05:14:12.640 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At h2r5-turn-004507 05:14:12.640 --> 05:14:20.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung 4.56 billion na confidential and intelligence funds ng Office of the President constitutes h2r5-turn-004508 05:14:20.540 --> 05:14:26.280 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 44.9% of the Office of the President's budget. Tama po ba? No? h2r5-turn-004509 05:14:28.060 --> 05:14:31.020 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sumusunod ba yan sa, sabi nga, sound h2r5-turn-004510 05:14:31.020 --> 05:14:35.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: principles of budgeting na h2r5-turn-004511 05:14:35.700 --> 05:14:36.920 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang h2r5-turn-004512 05:14:36.920 --> 05:14:44.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: halos kalahati ng kanyang budget, ng agency budget, ay confidential and intelligence funds? h2r5-turn-004513 05:14:47.360 --> 05:14:54.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, ito pong confidential and intelligence funds ng Office of the President has been at that level h2r5-turn-004514 05:14:54.100 --> 05:15:06.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: since—almost at that level since 2020. At ito po ay bahagi ng functions ng ating Pangulo bilang Commander-in-Chief ng ating Armed Forces, Your Honor, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004515 05:15:09.320 --> 05:15:09.680 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sinagot, no? h2r5-turn-004516 05:15:12.160 --> 05:15:12.545 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang h2r5-turn-004517 05:15:12.545 --> 05:15:16.398 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tanong ko po ay, alinsunod ba sa mga prinsipyo ng, h2r5-turn-004518 05:15:16.398 --> 05:15:19.095 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: you know, good governance ng isang ahensya, h2r5-turn-004519 05:15:19.095 --> 05:15:19.481 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: halos h2r5-turn-004520 05:15:19.481 --> 05:15:26.547 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kalahati ng kanyang budget, h2r5-turn-004521 05:15:26.547 --> 05:15:29.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: confidential, secret, hindi transparent? h2r5-turn-004522 05:15:31.330 --> 05:15:31.556 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-004523-split-1 05:15:31.556 --> 05:15:33.210 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, h2r5-turn-004523-split-2 05:15:33.210 --> 05:15:37.850 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Dahil ang opisina po ng Pangulo ay may mandato, kaya po yung h2r5-turn-004524 05:15:37.850 --> 05:15:41.410 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: provision niya for confidential and intelligence funds ay h2r5-turn-004525 05:15:41.410 --> 05:15:46.830 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tingin po natin na ay naaayon, kaya po kasama po yan sa ating National Expenditure Program. h2r5-turn-004526 05:15:47.930 --> 05:15:53.430 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sinabi niyo 2020 lang nangyari yan. So historically hindi po ganyan. Abnormal po ito. h2r5-turn-004527 05:15:53.450 --> 05:15:55.070 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yun ang pinapoint out natin. h2r5-turn-004528 05:15:55.070 --> 05:15:55.770 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, h2r5-turn-004529 05:15:55.870 --> 05:16:00.170 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tanong ko po, yung confidential and intelligence funds, h2r5-turn-004530 05:16:00.770 --> 05:16:03.390 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: item po ba yan? h2r5-turn-004531 05:16:03.490 --> 05:16:06.150 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Is that a line item in the budget? h2r5-turn-004532 05:16:09.230 --> 05:16:10.910 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Definition of item is h2r5-turn-004533 05:16:10.910 --> 05:16:12.610 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: activity h2r5-turn-004534 05:16:14.400 --> 05:16:16.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: or project, di ba? h2r5-turn-004535 05:16:17.600 --> 05:16:20.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yun po, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, yun pong h2r5-turn-004536 05:16:20.380 --> 05:16:26.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential expenses at intelligence expenses ay mga object of expenditure. h2r5-turn-004537 05:16:26.660 --> 05:16:29.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So may katapat po itong mga... h2r5-turn-004538 05:16:29.940 --> 05:16:30.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ...PAP. h2r5-turn-004539 05:16:30.520 --> 05:16:33.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya po dapat ito ay directly connected h2r5-turn-004540 05:16:33.720 --> 05:16:38.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa mandato po ng opisina dahil doon po nakapailalim sa PAP na yun, h2r5-turn-004541 05:16:38.340 --> 05:16:43.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun pong object of expenditure na confidential expenses at intelligence expenses. h2r5-turn-004542 05:16:44.020 --> 05:16:45.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So in short, hindi siya item? h2r5-turn-004543 05:16:50.040 --> 05:16:52.440 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama, object of expenditure, di ba? h2r5-turn-004544 05:16:52.600 --> 05:16:59.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Object of expenditure po siya, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, pero bahagi po siya ng isang PAP at yun po yung item of expenditure. h2r5-turn-004545 05:17:01.040 --> 05:17:10.980 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, hindi. Kaya nga... Actually, in the budget, the actual term that appears is confidential and intelligence expenses, di h2r5-turn-004546 05:17:10.980 --> 05:17:11.120 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ba? h2r5-turn-004547 05:17:11.860 --> 05:17:16.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero walang hiwalay na item na confidential and intelligence funds. h2r5-turn-004548 05:17:17.160 --> 05:17:24.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: There's a difference. And why do I raise this? Gusto ko po i-raise ito para sa committee rin at para sa h2r5-turn-004549 05:17:24.000 --> 05:17:25.480 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: DBM, h2r5-turn-004550 05:17:25.740 --> 05:17:26.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: no? h2r5-turn-004551 05:17:26.660 --> 05:17:32.720 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang termino talaga is confidential and intelligence expenses. However, pinag-ahalo... h2r5-turn-004552 05:17:33.260 --> 05:17:37.740 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And kahit sa inyong joint circular, nakalagay d'yon, confidential and intelligence funds. h2r5-turn-004553 05:17:38.680 --> 05:17:40.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Making it appear as if h2r5-turn-004554 05:17:40.360 --> 05:17:42.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: hiwalay na pondo, h2r5-turn-004555 05:17:42.100 --> 05:17:47.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: parang stand-alone item ang confidential and intelligence funds. h2r5-turn-004556 05:17:47.780 --> 05:17:51.100 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, why am I insisting on this distinction? h2r5-turn-004557 05:17:52.040 --> 05:17:54.620 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kasi may implication po, pag tinrato n'yong parang item, h2r5-turn-004558 05:17:54.980 --> 05:17:56.500 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang item po h2r5-turn-004559 05:17:56.500 --> 05:18:01.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwedeng i-augment from savings. And h2r5-turn-004560 05:18:01.000 --> 05:18:01.460 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in fact, h2r5-turn-004561 05:18:01.580 --> 05:18:08.700 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: your guidelines... Allow for that. Di ba? Yung intelligence fund pwedeng i-augment from savings. Tama, mali. h2r5-turn-004562 05:18:09.280 --> 05:18:11.540 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay, that will be the last question. h2r5-turn-004563 05:18:11.940 --> 05:18:12.540 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Continue. h2r5-turn-004564 05:18:13.260 --> 05:18:16.780 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much. Kim, please reply. h2r5-turn-004565 05:18:18.320 --> 05:18:25.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, since yun nga pong intelligence or confidential expenses ay object of expenditure, h2r5-turn-004566 05:18:25.680 --> 05:18:31.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun pong eligible for augmentation, use of savings, is yung PAP. h2r5-turn-004567 05:18:31.320 --> 05:18:40.817 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yung PAP po yung eligible. Yung PAP po yung eligible for augmentation, but subject still to compliance po with the requisites under the general provision and the approvals h2r5-turn-004568 05:18:40.817 --> 05:18:42.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: provided for under the GAA. h2r5-turn-004569 05:18:42.900 --> 05:18:43.300 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, h2r5-turn-004570 05:18:43.420 --> 05:18:50.160 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: maraming salamat. Pwedeng i-augment, pero yung authorization for confidential expenses, h2r5-turn-004571 05:18:50.720 --> 05:18:51.320 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: hindi h2r5-turn-004572 05:18:51.320 --> 05:18:52.060 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwedeng i-augment. h2r5-turn-004573 05:18:53.180 --> 05:18:55.080 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba? At hindi pwedeng gawin ng h2r5-turn-004574 05:18:55.080 --> 05:18:56.520 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: lagpasan h2r5-turn-004575 05:18:56.520 --> 05:18:57.960 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng executive. h2r5-turn-004576 05:18:58.960 --> 05:18:59.800 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama ba? h2r5-turn-004577 05:19:00.000 --> 05:19:01.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Sec. Tino. h2r5-turn-004578 05:19:01.780 --> 05:19:04.720 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: [unclear], time is up po. h2r5-turn-004578-split-2 05:19:04.720 --> 05:19:06.840 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ako lang po ang sinasabi ko. May mali po h2r5-turn-004579 05:19:06.840 --> 05:19:10.780 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kahit sa patakaran ng h2r5-turn-004580 05:19:10.780 --> 05:19:17.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: DBM at sa joint circular ng DBM na tinatrato bilang parang hiwalay na pondo o item h2r5-turn-004581 05:19:18.080 --> 05:19:22.040 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang confidential and intelligence funds and h2r5-turn-004582 05:19:22.040 --> 05:19:23.200 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the h2r5-turn-004583 05:19:23.200 --> 05:19:27.540 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: rules themselves allow for augmentation from savings na parang item. h2r5-turn-004584 05:19:28.880 --> 05:19:29.580 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So h2r5-turn-004585 05:19:29.580 --> 05:19:41.880 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: may mga, I mean, limited ang oras ko. Pero may marami pong mga implikasyon nito na kailangang wastoin po ito. They are expenses. They are not items. They cannot be augmented from savings, among others. h2r5-turn-004586 05:19:42.300 --> 05:19:45.360 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi po ba? Can I get a response from? h2r5-turn-004587 05:19:46.460 --> 05:19:49.000 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mali ito at dapat wastoin na ito. h2r5-turn-004588 05:19:49.620 --> 05:19:51.340 Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dahil iyan ang inaabuso. h2r5-turn-004588-split-2 05:19:51.340 --> 05:20:01.940 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, continue. Maybe a quick response from Sec. Kim. Tapos kung gusto ninyo, an expanded response, maybe in writing. Submit to the committee and we will give a copy to— h2r5-turn-004589 05:20:02.460 --> 05:20:02.780 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Continue. h2r5-turn-004590 05:20:04.500 --> 05:20:09.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yun pong, ang ino-augment naman po talaga as in any case, hindi lang po yung h2r5-turn-004591 05:20:09.260 --> 05:20:12.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential and intelligence na line item. Hindi po yung line item. h2r5-turn-004592 05:20:13.200 --> 05:20:15.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yun pong PAP, h2r5-turn-004593 05:20:15.180 --> 05:20:22.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun pong ino-augment natin. If DIMP deficient at kailangan po talagang i-augment. Yun pong confidential expenses and h2r5-turn-004594 05:20:22.560 --> 05:20:26.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: intelligence expenses are object of expenditure, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004595 05:20:26.360 --> 05:20:26.780 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay. h2r5-turn-004596 05:20:26.840 --> 05:20:36.360 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much. Tapos paki-expound na lang in writing para lahat ng details, masagot sa tanong ni Congressman Tinio. h2r5-turn-004596-split-2 05:20:36.360 --> 05:20:37.660 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will submit, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004596-split-3 05:20:37.660 --> 05:20:42.000 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much. So next is— h2r5-turn-004597 05:20:43.640 --> 05:20:47.720 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congressman Edgar Erice still here? h2r5-turn-004598 05:20:48.800 --> 05:20:49.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Parang wala na? h2r5-turn-004599 05:20:50.200 --> 05:20:52.980 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay. So we will proceed to the next h2r5-turn-004600 05:20:52.980 --> 05:20:55.000 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: representative. h2r5-turn-004601 05:20:56.700 --> 05:20:59.720 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We call on Congressman Elijah San Fernando. h2r5-turn-004602 05:21:00.180 --> 05:21:01.160 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed. h2r5-turn-004602-split-2 05:21:01.160 --> 05:21:02.480 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Salamat po. h2r5-turn-004603 05:21:04.100 --> 05:21:05.020 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Secretary Balisacan, h2r5-turn-004604 05:21:05.340 --> 05:21:09.380 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kanina po natapos tayo doon sa usapin ng mga trabaho. h2r5-turn-004605 05:21:10.460 --> 05:21:13.680 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meron po kayong prinesent kanina at ito binabanggit nyo pa po, h2r5-turn-004606 05:21:13.760 --> 05:21:15.300 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kanina pa, na h2r5-turn-004607 05:21:15.300 --> 05:21:20.840 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: merong mga persistent constraints kung bakit hindi tayo makapaglikha ng mga industriya, ng h2r5-turn-004608 05:21:20.840 --> 05:21:22.760 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mga quality jobs, better paying jobs. h2r5-turn-004609 05:21:23.540 --> 05:21:29.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And some of these factors, alimbawa itong sa economic and market factors, alimbawa high energy cost, h2r5-turn-004610 05:21:30.160 --> 05:21:32.640 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Alam niyo, may pwede naman po tayong gawin agad dito. h2r5-turn-004611 05:21:33.680 --> 05:21:35.100 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Halimbawa, we can remove, h2r5-turn-004612 05:21:35.200 --> 05:21:38.740 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or if not, reduce value-added tax on electricity. h2r5-turn-004613 05:21:39.440 --> 05:21:42.800 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So would you agree with me dito, Secretary Balisakan? h2r5-turn-004614 05:21:46.370 --> 05:21:51.710 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yes, of course, there are things that you can do in the short term, in the near term, h2r5-turn-004615 05:21:51.750 --> 05:21:54.050 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. h2r5-turn-004616 05:21:54.150 --> 05:21:54.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. h2r5-turn-004617 05:21:56.210 --> 05:22:02.510 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And of course, taxes could be one. But again, tax h2r5-turn-004618 05:22:02.510 --> 05:22:02.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: issues are h2r5-turn-004619 05:22:04.770 --> 05:22:11.010 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: More complex than that, because h2r5-turn-004620 05:22:11.010 --> 05:22:15.330 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: there are broader concerns that we have to also take into account. h2r5-turn-004621 05:22:16.730 --> 05:22:17.730 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And h2r5-turn-004622 05:22:17.730 --> 05:22:33.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so, for example, given the fiscal h2r5-turn-004623 05:22:33.540 --> 05:22:33.857 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: space h2r5-turn-004624 05:22:33.857 --> 05:22:34.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: use h2r5-turn-004625 05:22:34.750 --> 05:22:35.032 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and the h2r5-turn-004626 05:22:35.032 --> 05:22:38.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so much need for other development investments, you really have to identify a h2r5-turn-004627 05:22:38.810 --> 05:22:47.590 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: replacement for those revenues that will be sacrificed as a result. So, it's easy to remove, but h2r5-turn-004628 05:22:47.590 --> 05:22:52.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we have to be mindful of the consequences h2r5-turn-004629 05:22:52.150 --> 05:22:55.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for other sectors and other agencies. h2r5-turn-004630 05:22:56.510 --> 05:22:58.230 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Salamat po. h2r5-turn-004631 05:22:58.930 --> 05:23:07.050 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, punta po sa Department of Finance. Is it the position of Department of Finance to oppose any discussion h2r5-turn-004632 05:23:07.050 --> 05:23:10.330 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: about the removal or reduction of value-added tax on electricity? h2r5-turn-004633 05:23:15.770 --> 05:23:21.450 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: In general, the position of the Department of Finance is that everything is fungible. h2r5-turn-004634 05:23:22.050 --> 05:23:25.110 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: If you want to remove VAT h2r5-turn-004635 05:23:25.110 --> 05:23:25.990 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: from h2r5-turn-004636 05:23:25.990 --> 05:23:27.550 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: electricity, but h2r5-turn-004637 05:23:27.550 --> 05:23:29.730 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: you can show another h2r5-turn-004638 05:23:29.730 --> 05:23:32.370 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: revenue source of taxes, h2r5-turn-004639 05:23:32.790 --> 05:23:35.190 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we're neutral. But the h2r5-turn-004640 05:23:35.190 --> 05:23:41.803 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Department of Finance would naturally be opposed to the removal of any tax h2r5-turn-004641 05:23:41.803 --> 05:23:42.273 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: without a replacement h2r5-turn-004642 05:23:42.273 --> 05:23:42.430 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: tax. h2r5-turn-004643 05:23:42.750 --> 05:23:43.110 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, h2r5-turn-004644 05:23:43.110 --> 05:23:47.250 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: categorical position, Secretary Go? h2r5-turn-004645 05:23:47.370 --> 05:23:54.870 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yeah, our categorical position is we are not opposed to the removal of any tax as long as there is a replacement revenue source. h2r5-turn-004646 05:23:55.270 --> 05:24:06.530 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, we can do something about this, the reduction po ng energy cost. Isa rin po sa example dito sa mga factors kung bakit hindi pumapasok yung mga, hindi tayo nakakapagbuo ng industriya, h2r5-turn-004647 05:24:06.530 --> 05:24:08.150 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: itong fragmented coordination. h2r5-turn-004648 05:24:09.450 --> 05:24:11.090 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ganito na ang problema ng gobyerno eh. h2r5-turn-004649 05:24:11.650 --> 05:24:15.310 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sabog-sabog po kasi ang implementation ng gobyerno. Would you agree with me, Secretary? h2r5-turn-004650 05:24:18.530 --> 05:24:20.670 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Hindi naman lahat ng mga h2r5-turn-004651 05:24:20.670 --> 05:24:24.090 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: projects h2r5-turn-004652 05:24:24.090 --> 05:24:25.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and programs are ganon. h2r5-turn-004653 05:24:27.430 --> 05:24:28.090 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But h2r5-turn-004654 05:24:28.090 --> 05:24:32.950 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think for some projects like those by h2r5-turn-004655 05:24:32.950 --> 05:24:37.610 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: DPWH, for example, of course, you have seen the consequences of lack h2r5-turn-004656 05:24:37.610 --> 05:24:42.630 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of coordination, for example, between the national government and local government. Kanina h2r5-turn-004657 05:24:42.630 --> 05:24:45.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: pinag-uusapan natin yung right of way, that's one of those. So, h2r5-turn-004658 05:24:45.590 --> 05:24:50.030 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yun ang mga dapat maayos for efficient implementation. h2r5-turn-004659 05:24:50.190 --> 05:24:50.711 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yes, Secretary. h2r5-turn-004660 05:24:50.790 --> 05:24:52.030 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At least h2r5-turn-004661 05:24:52.030 --> 05:24:59.390 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: may admission on that part of the government po na talagang merong mga plano tayo pero walang group chat yung mga ahensya ng gobyerno. Kaya h2r5-turn-004662 05:24:59.390 --> 05:25:02.510 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pagdating sa implementation, kandalabo-labo na. h2r5-turn-004663 05:25:03.130 --> 05:25:09.350 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kaya ako po natanong itong mga constraints na to. Gusto ko lang po kayo i-quote kanina about industrial policy. h2r5-turn-004664 05:25:09.990 --> 05:25:15.790 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We don't have to push. Industrial policy the way our neighbors did it. Ito po yung sabi niyo kanina. h2r5-turn-004665 05:25:16.050 --> 05:25:22.530 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero ginagamit po natin madalas na benchmark yung mga kapitbahay natin na nag-implement ng industrial policy. h2r5-turn-004666 05:25:22.790 --> 05:25:27.050 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Such as Vietnam, South Korea, Taiwan, even China. h2r5-turn-004667 05:25:27.790 --> 05:25:34.790 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Alam niyo po, itong mga binabanggit dito, yung pinapresent niyo po ng mga persistent constraints, present po lahat to doon h2r5-turn-004668 05:25:34.790 --> 05:25:42.590 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa mga bansa gaya ng South Korea, Taiwan, China, Vietnam. Present po lahat yan. In fact, South Korea. South Korea was very corrupt. h2r5-turn-004669 05:25:43.030 --> 05:25:47.690 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: One party state. Yung ibang bansa pa nga dito, one party state. Very corrupt. h2r5-turn-004670 05:25:48.030 --> 05:25:52.530 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero hindi naging hadlang itong mga same problems that h2r5-turn-004671 05:25:52.530 --> 05:25:58.070 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: we are facing and experiencing for them to implement industrial policy. h2r5-turn-004672 05:25:58.860 --> 05:26:05.390 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yan pong mga problemang yan, nalagpasan ng mga kapitbahay natin. Alam niyo po, the only difference between us and them, h2r5-turn-004673 05:26:05.570 --> 05:26:07.350 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sila po may ambisyon eh. h2r5-turn-004674 05:26:08.330 --> 05:26:09.690 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sila po may ambisyon. h2r5-turn-004675 05:26:09.850 --> 05:26:17.990 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: They want to build. And strengthen their industrial base. Tapos ang maririnig po natin sa DepDev, eh h2r5-turn-004676 05:26:17.990 --> 05:26:29.530 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: we don't have to push industrial policy like our neighbors. So yun po ang kaibahan. If I may encapsulate this, Mr. Chair, sa kung pa paano natin h2r5-turn-004677 05:26:29.530 --> 05:26:34.110 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: tinitignan tong industrial policy, sa h2r5-turn-004678 05:26:34.110 --> 05:26:37.310 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ating economic managers po, eh tayo h2r5-turn-004679 05:26:37.310 --> 05:26:40.090 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: walang ambisyon, unambitious po tayo eh. h2r5-turn-004680 05:26:40.090 --> 05:26:46.190 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pagdating sa industrial policy, duwag po tayo, Sekretary, pagdating po sa industrial policy. h2r5-turn-004681 05:26:46.650 --> 05:26:54.290 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kasi these countries, our neighbors, South Korea, Vietnam, lagi po natin, lagi natin ginagamit na benchmark eh. h2r5-turn-004682 05:26:54.750 --> 05:27:00.930 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And coming from you, eh parang opposed po kayo sa industrial policy. Now, how are we going to make h2r5-turn-004683 05:27:00.930 --> 05:27:09.990 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: use of the remaining two years of the PBBM administration? No other than the President has already said that. Sabi niya, kailangan gamitin natin ang natitirang panahon. h2r5-turn-004684 05:27:11.730 --> 05:27:15.750 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Para maglumikha ng mga trabaho, dekalidad na trabaho, better paying jobs. h2r5-turn-004685 05:27:16.050 --> 05:27:21.030 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So how are we going to do that? Or how are we going to make use of the two years remaining in h2r5-turn-004686 05:27:21.030 --> 05:27:22.150 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: PBBM administration? h2r5-turn-004687 05:27:23.030 --> 05:27:27.410 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Para maging ganap ito pong mga pinag-uusapan natin about quality jobs. Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004688 05:27:27.930 --> 05:27:28.890 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair, h2r5-turn-004689 05:27:29.890 --> 05:27:31.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I, with h2r5-turn-004690 05:27:31.130 --> 05:27:32.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: due respect to our h2r5-turn-004691 05:27:32.430 --> 05:27:33.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: honorable congressman, h2r5-turn-004692 05:27:35.150 --> 05:27:39.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I disagree that we don't have an ambition for this country. h2r5-turn-004693 05:27:40.470 --> 05:27:44.470 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: DEPDev, the former NEDA, crafted Ambisyon Natin 2040, h2r5-turn-004694 05:27:44.710 --> 05:27:47.070 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: which would h2r5-turn-004695 05:27:47.070 --> 05:27:48.810 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: have allowed us to h2r5-turn-004696 05:27:48.810 --> 05:27:53.730 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reach a high- h2r5-turn-004697 05:27:53.730 --> 05:27:55.430 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: income country by h2r5-turn-004698 05:27:55.430 --> 05:28:01.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 2040 if things were not interrupted as they h2r5-turn-004699 05:28:01.270 --> 05:28:03.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: did. And we were able to do quite h2r5-turn-004700 05:28:03.270 --> 05:28:06.750 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: well. And we did quite well in the last 15 years. As h2r5-turn-004701 05:28:06.750 --> 05:28:08.150 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I presented earlier this morning. h2r5-turn-004702 05:28:10.090 --> 05:28:16.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Moving, doing a lot of the things that we should have been doing over the last 50 years. h2r5-turn-004703 05:28:17.210 --> 05:28:17.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So h2r5-turn-004704 05:28:17.770 --> 05:28:20.530 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: my argument, Mr. Chair, is that h2r5-turn-004705 05:28:20.530 --> 05:28:23.230 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: not h2r5-turn-004706 05:28:23.230 --> 05:28:27.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: even industrial policy would work if h2r5-turn-004707 05:28:27.190 --> 05:28:29.210 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you can't address the h2r5-turn-004708 05:28:29.210 --> 05:28:29.790 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: kind of h2r5-turn-004709 05:28:29.790 --> 05:28:33.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: issues, structural issues that we have. Fix the energy problem, h2r5-turn-004710 05:28:34.170 --> 05:28:42.830 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: high energy problem. No amount of industrial policy would give you a high level of development without fixing h2r5-turn-004711 05:28:42.830 --> 05:28:43.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that. h2r5-turn-004712 05:28:44.290 --> 05:28:57.270 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Fix your roads and connectivity. Your internet that does not connect lagging areas and leading areas. Those are the kind of things that I was referring to, h2r5-turn-004713 05:28:57.470 --> 05:28:59.170 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. h2r5-turn-004714 05:28:59.350 --> 05:29:06.410 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. And I completely agree with industrial policy. I do think it works, But we need to do the basic h2r5-turn-004715 05:29:06.410 --> 05:29:08.750 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: things To do the basic things that h2r5-turn-004716 05:29:08.750 --> 05:29:10.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: other countries have. done. h2r5-turn-004717 05:29:10.850 --> 05:29:11.290 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank h2r5-turn-004718 05:29:11.290 --> 05:29:12.170 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: you, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004719 05:29:12.960 --> 05:29:15.210 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: This is a question of either-or kasi, Secretary. h2r5-turn-004720 05:29:16.030 --> 05:29:22.140 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero I think we can do that. We can do industrial policy, but at the same time address din itong mga problema natin. h2r5-turn-004721 05:29:22.380 --> 05:29:26.930 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang hirap lang na marinig, coming from the Secretary of DEPDev, na h2r5-turn-004722 05:29:26.930 --> 05:29:30.370 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: we don't have to do industrial policy like what our neighbors did. h2r5-turn-004723 05:29:30.580 --> 05:29:33.980 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So very defeatist po iyan, Secretary. And sa h2r5-turn-004724 05:29:33.980 --> 05:29:35.880 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: point, Mr. Chair, ni Secretary is that h2r5-turn-004725 05:29:35.880 --> 05:29:36.750 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: meron namang h2r5-turn-004727 05:29:36.750 --> 05:29:38.410 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nagawa in the recent years. h2r5-turn-004728 05:29:38.810 --> 05:29:43.930 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Secretary, kitang-kita naman po sa datos: we have de-industrialized. h2r5-turn-004729 05:29:44.060 --> 05:29:52.130 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nauubos yung manufacturing jobs natin, nauubos yung industry jobs natin. We don't have any industry for h2r5-turn-004730 05:29:52.130 --> 05:29:55.770 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that matter. Lahat nandun sa servisyo. Kaya nga ang trabaho na meron sa atin, h2r5-turn-004731 05:29:55.830 --> 05:29:57.060 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: retail trade, h2r5-turn-004732 05:29:57.360 --> 05:30:13.620 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: low-paying, elementary jobs. Kaya po, pinupush natin itong industrial policy na mapag-usapan at maipush natin sa remaining two years of the PBBM administration. Kasi po ang naririnig natin, Mr. Chair, sa mga economic managers natin, is the same old. h2r5-turn-004733 05:30:13.980 --> 05:30:19.830 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 30 years. Tatlong dekada na natin paulit-ulit ginagawa yung palpak na h2r5-turn-004734 05:30:19.830 --> 05:30:25.010 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: development model natin, Mr. Chair. Just, I'm winding up, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004735 05:30:26.580 --> 05:30:28.600 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Even the World Bank has h2r5-turn-004736 05:30:28.600 --> 05:30:33.220 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: already admitted that the neoliberal economic framework has failed. h2r5-turn-004737 05:30:33.850 --> 05:30:35.490 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And yet we are doing the same. h2r5-turn-004738 05:30:36.070 --> 05:30:41.450 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So yun po ang punto ko dito, Mr. Chair, Secretary. Maybe it is high time to h2r5-turn-004739 05:30:41.450 --> 05:30:50.230 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: push for meaningful reforms. Maybe it is high time for us to discuss and really take industrial policy very seriously. h2r5-turn-004740 05:30:50.840 --> 05:30:53.120 Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, yun po, Mr. Chair, maraming salamat. h2r5-turn-004741 05:30:53.130 --> 05:30:54.830 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat, Kong Elijah. h2r5-turn-004742 05:30:55.430 --> 05:30:57.890 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: SecRC, please briefly reply. h2r5-turn-004743 05:30:58.720 --> 05:30:59.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I h2r5-turn-004744 05:30:59.440 --> 05:31:01.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think I've done my share, h2r5-turn-004745 05:31:01.520 --> 05:31:02.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. h2r5-turn-004746 05:31:02.420 --> 05:31:02.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. h2r5-turn-004747 05:31:02.860 --> 05:31:07.760 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I always, our honorable congressman, would h2r5-turn-004748 05:31:07.760 --> 05:31:10.840 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: bother to look at the Philippine Development Plan. h2r5-turn-004749 05:31:11.120 --> 05:31:12.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And essentially, you h2r5-turn-004750 05:31:12.660 --> 05:31:14.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: can see industrial policy there. h2r5-turn-004751 05:31:14.780 --> 05:31:15.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And h2r5-turn-004752 05:31:15.500 --> 05:31:16.420 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also h2r5-turn-004753 05:31:16.420 --> 05:31:22.100 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: look at even the updated Philippine Development Plan. h2r5-turn-004754 05:31:22.900 --> 05:31:25.620 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's very clear there what our... h2r5-turn-004755 05:31:25.620 --> 05:31:28.840 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Our program h2r5-turn-004756 05:31:28.840 --> 05:31:32.260 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for the country. And I, as h2r5-turn-004757 05:31:32.260 --> 05:31:36.440 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we have seen, we look at the data, Mr. h2r5-turn-004758 05:31:36.500 --> 05:31:47.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, we have done quite well in the last 15 years. No less than the World Bank. All the mother agents, important development agencies, have h2r5-turn-004759 05:31:47.980 --> 05:31:51.260 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: commended the country for a h2r5-turn-004760 05:31:51.260 --> 05:31:53.520 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: major transition. That h2r5-turn-004761 05:31:53.520 --> 05:31:54.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: was not possible in the h2r5-turn-004762 05:31:55.620 --> 05:31:58.480 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: two, three decades before that. So, h2r5-turn-004763 05:31:58.540 --> 05:32:01.780 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: let's not undermine our ability to also h2r5-turn-004764 05:32:01.780 --> 05:32:02.180 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: grow. h2r5-turn-004765 05:32:02.500 --> 05:32:03.360 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think h2r5-turn-004766 05:32:03.360 --> 05:32:13.940 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what we needed to do to sustain the momentum, I stressed that that morning. To sustain the momentum, but to argue that we are not doing it and we have not been h2r5-turn-004767 05:32:13.940 --> 05:32:16.660 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: moving the country, I think that's so unfair. h2r5-turn-004768 05:32:17.400 --> 05:32:19.040 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The evidence is very clear. h2r5-turn-004769 05:32:20.120 --> 05:32:21.940 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I end my case, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004770 05:32:22.320 --> 05:32:24.560 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, SecRC. h2r5-turn-004771 05:32:25.780 --> 05:32:26.640 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-004772 05:32:27.040 --> 05:32:35.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Senior Vice Chair Albert Garcia. Next to interpellate for the second round is our Senior Vice Chair Albert Garcia. You are recognized, h2r5-turn-004773 05:32:35.940 --> 05:32:36.260 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SPC. h2r5-turn-004774 05:32:36.420 --> 05:32:42.300 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Just a few quick questions. Hindi umabot kanina sa time limit. h2r5-turn-004775 05:32:42.460 --> 05:32:44.500 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, I'll try to breeze through it h2r5-turn-004776 05:32:44.500 --> 05:32:46.700 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: dito sa second round. h2r5-turn-004777 05:32:47.000 --> 05:32:51.840 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: First of all, if you watch the Blue Ribbon Committee hearing h2r5-turn-004778 05:32:51.840 --> 05:32:58.480 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: on the ghost projects ng flood control, sinabi, when the DBM was asked, h2r5-turn-004779 05:32:58.680 --> 05:33:07.980 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: ano yung mga pwedeng remedies para hindi na maulit ito? And one of the important things na binanggit is that yung bottoms-up budgeting. h2r5-turn-004780 05:33:08.540 --> 05:33:13.760 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kasi kung demand-driven and from the local level or the ground, yung identification, h2r5-turn-004781 05:33:15.280 --> 05:33:17.620 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: malabo maging ghost project po ito h2r5-turn-004782 05:33:17.620 --> 05:33:22.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: dahil aabangan po ito nung mga nag-request dahil solution sa problema nila. h2r5-turn-004783 05:33:22.740 --> 05:33:30.020 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, and this is what a lot of our representatives, did for the 2027 budget. h2r5-turn-004784 05:33:31.180 --> 05:33:37.920 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sumunod sila sa PIP, PIPOL, AIP, PDC, RDC. h2r5-turn-004785 05:33:38.640 --> 05:33:40.200 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pero paglabas nung NEP, h2r5-turn-004786 05:33:40.320 --> 05:33:53.000 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: parang hindi na-consider or very, very minimal yung na-consider. Dapat din natin isipin na itong mga bagay nito ay trabaho ng congressman, ng h2r5-turn-004787 05:33:53.000 --> 05:33:56.760 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: representative based on the constitution. As the direct h2r5-turn-004788 05:33:56.760 --> 05:33:59.460 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: representative of the people. h2r5-turn-004789 05:34:00.100 --> 05:34:26.940 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That's why all appropriations measures like the budget emanates from the house as a direct representative of the people. So, dahil sa nangyari na ito, hindi na-represent yung mga kailangan nung distrito or nung mga barangay at mga munisipyo. So, may we hear a response from the chair of the DBC? Kay Sec. h2r5-turn-004790 05:34:27.160 --> 05:34:27.780 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kim? h2r5-turn-004791 05:34:28.420 --> 05:34:40.040 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, it's an observation that we also share. At kaya nga po nung aming dinideliberate yung mga proyekto sa 2027 NEP, h2r5-turn-004792 05:34:40.180 --> 05:34:43.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: talaga pong nag-zero-in kami doon sa mismong proseso. h2r5-turn-004793 05:34:43.980 --> 05:34:48.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kasi sabi nga po namin, mababaliwala yung mga RDC review h2r5-turn-004794 05:34:48.500 --> 05:34:52.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: process na talaga naman pong binubuhusan ng oras, panahon at talento, h2r5-turn-004795 05:34:52.860 --> 05:34:55.601 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung hindi naman po mako-consider na Sa ito. h2r5-turn-004796 05:34:55.940 --> 05:35:01.880 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: deliberation. Ang limitasyon nga lang po, Madam Chair, your honor, h2r5-turn-004797 05:35:02.080 --> 05:35:04.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is that doon sa existing process, h2r5-turn-004798 05:35:04.740 --> 05:35:09.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang huli po kasing submission ay yung agency central office pa rin. h2r5-turn-004799 05:35:09.880 --> 05:35:15.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya nga po kami ay nag-one step back at ngayon, gaya po nang nabanggit namin kanina, h2r5-turn-004800 05:35:15.260 --> 05:35:21.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: palakasin po talaga namin yung interconnectivity nung people system, nung RDC endorsement, h2r5-turn-004801 05:35:21.420 --> 05:35:26.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: even nung aming budget proposal submission system. Para h2r5-turn-004802 05:35:26.340 --> 05:35:28.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po, isa lang po dapat yung flow. h2r5-turn-004803 05:35:28.640 --> 05:35:32.580 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Hindi po maraming pinanggagalingan ng mga proposal para h2r5-turn-004804 05:35:32.580 --> 05:35:44.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mas madali po nating matutukan ano ba yung talagang nanggaling mula sa local development council, papanik ng RDC, papanik ng agency central office bago pumunta po sa amin sa h2r5-turn-004805 05:35:44.180 --> 05:35:50.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DBM. So hindi po kami dapat matapos lang doon sa may Form C at saka Form D na h2r5-turn-004806 05:35:50.000 --> 05:35:57.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maaaring makita ng iba na pwedeng compliance. Kundi talagang tututukan po natin. And this is a commitment we're working with DepDEP h2r5-turn-004807 05:35:57.860 --> 05:36:01.680 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kasi isa po itong mahalagang commitment din ng ating pamahalaan, h2r5-turn-004808 05:36:01.700 --> 05:36:08.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung improving plan, investment, programming, planning, budgeting linkage doon po sa ating medium term h2r5-turn-004809 05:36:08.400 --> 05:36:15.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: PFM reform road map. So ang target po talaga natin dito is we can do something including yun h2r5-turn-004810 05:36:15.480 --> 05:36:17.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pong pagsabay h2r5-turn-004811 05:36:17.460 --> 05:36:26.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: doon sa local budgeting calendar and local planning calendar para wala pong mahuhulog along the way doon po sa prosesong iyon. Your Honor, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-004812 05:36:26.980 --> 05:36:32.100 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Secretary Kim. And I hope with the efforts ng DBCC and h2r5-turn-004813 05:36:32.100 --> 05:36:32.480 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the h2r5-turn-004814 05:36:32.480 --> 05:36:37.180 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: passage of the budget code, sana maayos na talaga ito, h2r5-turn-004815 05:36:37.260 --> 05:36:40.820 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: so that the representatives can really represent h2r5-turn-004816 05:36:41.800 --> 05:36:42.540 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the people h2r5-turn-004817 05:36:42.540 --> 05:36:44.460 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: pagdating sa national budget h2r5-turn-004818 05:36:44.460 --> 05:36:48.340 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: in addressing their needs and their needs of the locality. h2r5-turn-004819 05:36:48.640 --> 05:36:56.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And we acknowledge your honor's assistance as well in championing the Philippine budget code. In Congress, maraming salamat po. h2r5-turn-004820 05:36:56.540 --> 05:36:58.720 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Sec. Kim. Next question, h2r5-turn-004821 05:36:58.980 --> 05:37:01.080 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: sinabi h2r5-turn-004822 05:37:01.080 --> 05:37:06.280 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: ni Charlie Munger, if you know him, yung partner SecDec ni Warren Buffett. h2r5-turn-004823 05:37:06.840 --> 05:37:10.980 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Very wise man. Show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome. h2r5-turn-004824 05:37:11.540 --> 05:37:34.920 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So this has a lot to do with meritocracy. And in the former life of SecDec, he was a very successful individual in the private sector. And I'm sure, hindi magiging successful kung walang meritocracy. So in government, do we have a very effective system of meritocracy? h2r5-turn-004825 05:37:37.110 --> 05:37:42.310 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, aside from the usual principles of meritocracy in appointment, h2r5-turn-004826 05:37:42.730 --> 05:37:50.930 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kami po sa DBM, meron po tayong minomonitor ng mga indicators under the PREXI system. h2r5-turn-004827 05:37:51.450 --> 05:37:55.750 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Bagamat ito nga po ay kabilang din sa DBM. Dapat na rin po nating h2r5-turn-004828 05:37:55.750 --> 05:37:57.270 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tignan muli h2r5-turn-004829 05:37:57.270 --> 05:37:59.530 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to check whether ito h2r5-turn-004830 05:37:59.530 --> 05:38:04.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po ay nananatiling effective in pushing our agencies to perform better. In h2r5-turn-004831 05:38:04.690 --> 05:38:13.470 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fact, sa atin pong pagkasagawa ng mid-year and year-end performance review ng bawat ahensya. So may mga metrics po tayong ginagamit. h2r5-turn-004833 05:38:13.530 --> 05:38:19.750 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But there is actually a technical working group right now, Your Honor, Madam Chair, na h2r5-turn-004834 05:38:19.750 --> 05:38:33.950 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: binoo under EO61, precisely para tignan muli itong mga metrics. So may mga parameters or principles na ginagamit natin to assess agency performance. Dati po, ito po yung kilala, Your Honor, Madam Chair, h2r5-turn-004835 05:38:34.170 --> 05:38:46.690 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: na dating RBPMS. O ito po yung nakakabit po dun sa performance-based bonus. So nire-revisit po ngayon ng EO61 Technical Working Group kung yung metrics or parameters na h2r5-turn-004836 05:38:46.690 --> 05:38:55.550 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ginagamit po doon ay akma pa o kailangan po nating mag-introduce ng pagbabago to be recommended to the President by the Technical Working Group. Your Honor. h2r5-turn-004837 05:38:56.130 --> 05:38:58.890 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. If possible, Madam Chair, h2r5-turn-004838 05:38:59.150 --> 05:39:07.010 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: may we coordinate with the Technical Working Group because there's some initiative in the House to really unify and h2r5-turn-004839 05:39:07.010 --> 05:39:08.470 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: align and h2r5-turn-004840 05:39:08.470 --> 05:39:18.490 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: institute a clear system of meritocracy for the national and local governments and all the instrumentalities. So kung pwedeng mag h2r5-turn-004841 05:39:18.510 --> 05:39:22.810 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Definitely, Your Honor, bahagi po ang DBM ng EO61 Technical Working Group. h2r5-turn-004842 05:39:22.850 --> 05:39:23.770 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. And h2r5-turn-004843 05:39:23.770 --> 05:39:25.470 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: very, h2r5-turn-004844 05:39:25.570 --> 05:39:26.110 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: very quickly, h2r5-turn-004845 05:39:26.250 --> 05:39:28.050 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: as h2r5-turn-004846 05:39:28.050 --> 05:39:29.350 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: an observation, h2r5-turn-004847 05:39:30.050 --> 05:39:34.750 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: palaki ng palaki yung ating population, yung ating bansa, at yung ating gobyerno. h2r5-turn-004848 05:39:34.950 --> 05:39:48.310 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And kung sumobra na yung laki, sometimes there are a lot of inefficiencies. And minsan, ang ginagawa ng ating national government is to centralize more. h2r5-turn-004849 05:39:48.870 --> 05:39:51.530 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kung minsan, top-heavy na po. So h2r5-turn-004850 05:39:51.530 --> 05:39:54.210 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: just like what we did with CreateMore, h2r5-turn-004851 05:39:54.450 --> 05:40:24.970 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: ni-rationalize natin yung fiscal and non-fiscal incentives. Ginawa nating one-size-fits-all para rationalize. But the world doesn't work that way. It's a very competitive world out there. Pero pinasa pa rin natin, again, some of the recommendations of the investment promotion agencies na sila yung frontliner pagdating sa pag-attract ng investment. So I'd like to ask, how did it work for us, ito pong CreateMore? h2r5-turn-004852 05:40:28.020 --> 05:40:30.960 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair, I actually want to, h2r5-turn-004853 05:40:30.960 --> 05:40:35.280 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: if I may rephrase, h2r5-turn-004854 05:40:35.460 --> 05:40:37.280 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I'm h2r5-turn-004855 05:40:37.280 --> 05:40:41.940 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: not sure it's not called rephrase. I need to, I think, correct the term. h2r5-turn-004856 05:40:42.180 --> 05:40:44.480 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The problem was created by Create. h2r5-turn-004857 05:40:44.700 --> 05:40:46.580 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So we created CreateMore. h2r5-turn-004858 05:40:46.880 --> 05:40:49.800 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So CreateMore solved the problems of Create. h2r5-turn-004859 05:40:50.400 --> 05:40:57.000 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Because Create centralized the approval among all the investment promotion agencies into the Fiscal Incentives Review Board. h2r5-turn-004860 05:40:57.160 --> 05:40:59.780 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: In CreateMore, we devolved it again. h2r5-turn-004861 05:41:00.780 --> 05:41:03.440 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So CreateMore solved the problems of Create. h2r5-turn-004862 05:41:03.980 --> 05:41:05.960 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Devolved up to a certain limit po. h2r5-turn-004863 05:41:06.040 --> 05:41:07.160 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, that's right. h2r5-turn-004864 05:41:07.340 --> 05:41:07.820 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pero still, h2r5-turn-004865 05:41:08.080 --> 05:41:11.780 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: when it's a huge investment, centralized pa rin. h2r5-turn-004866 05:41:11.840 --> 05:41:12.160 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes. h2r5-turn-004867 05:41:12.240 --> 05:41:13.360 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Plus yung incentives, h2r5-turn-004868 05:41:13.840 --> 05:41:15.940 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: one-size-fits-all pa rin. h2r5-turn-004869 05:41:16.580 --> 05:41:21.280 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: No, no. If I may correct that also as well, Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-004869-split-2 05:41:21.280 --> 05:41:21.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, please. h2r5-turn-004869-split-3 05:41:21.680 --> 05:41:29.380 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The incentives in Create, the investor has a choice. He can avail of the Special Corporate Income Tax, the h2r5-turn-004870 05:41:29.380 --> 05:41:32.400 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: so-called SCIT or 5% of gross income earned. h2r5-turn-004871 05:41:32.600 --> 05:41:35.360 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Or he can avail of the Enhanced Deduction Regime, h2r5-turn-004872 05:41:35.480 --> 05:41:36.560 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the EDD. h2r5-turn-004873 05:41:37.680 --> 05:41:41.920 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it's not a one-size-fits-all. The investor can actually choose. h2r5-turn-004874 05:41:43.160 --> 05:41:44.680 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Secondly also, the h2r5-turn-004875 05:41:44.680 --> 05:41:50.720 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: investments are also controlled. Customizable, if your investment is over 50 billion pesos, h2r5-turn-004876 05:41:51.040 --> 05:41:53.780 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: you can customize it, h2r5-turn-004877 05:41:53.920 --> 05:41:58.060 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: which we did with Samsung. When h2r5-turn-004878 05:41:58.060 --> 05:42:00.060 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Samsung applied h2r5-turn-004879 05:42:00.060 --> 05:42:05.500 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for an investment of a 50 billion multi-layer ceramic capacitor factory in Laguna, h2r5-turn-004880 05:42:05.660 --> 05:42:08.400 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we approved a customized h2r5-turn-004881 05:42:08.400 --> 05:42:11.980 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: package for him because his investment was over 50 billion pesos. h2r5-turn-004882 05:42:12.280 --> 05:42:17.840 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it's not one-size-fits-all. I really think that Create more solved the problems of Create. h2r5-turn-004883 05:42:18.000 --> 05:42:20.800 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And also, when you talk about the threshold that h2r5-turn-004884 05:42:20.800 --> 05:42:29.160 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: goes up to FIRB, I think that's probably 5%. That means 95%, the Investment Promotion Agency can approve 90 h2r5-turn-004885 05:42:29.360 --> 05:42:30.720 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to 95% of all h2r5-turn-004886 05:42:30.720 --> 05:42:34.400 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: applications that go through them. And only 5% to 10% go up. h2r5-turn-004887 05:42:34.580 --> 05:42:36.320 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So whoever said that, h2r5-turn-004888 05:42:36.500 --> 05:42:40.180 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I will challenge him in front of you anytime, any day. h2r5-turn-004889 05:42:41.920 --> 05:42:46.160 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, SecDec. Thank you, SecDec, for that answer. Pero the fact remains, h2r5-turn-004890 05:42:46.520 --> 05:42:51.660 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: after we passed Create more, lumaki ba yung ating FDI? h2r5-turn-004891 05:42:52.000 --> 05:42:59.660 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, yes. As a matter of fact, in 2024 and in 2025, the registered investments in all IPAs went h2r5-turn-004892 05:42:59.660 --> 05:43:07.080 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: over 1.9 trillion pesos. That's first in our history. All the registered investments in all our IPAs has h2r5-turn-004893 05:43:07.080 --> 05:43:12.980 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: never been anywhere close to that. So in 2024 and 2025, 1.9 trillion pesos. h2r5-turn-004894 05:43:13.680 --> 05:43:14.680 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Got registered. h2r5-turn-004896 05:43:15.100 --> 05:43:18.500 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Relative to our neighbors in the ASEAN. h2r5-turn-004897 05:43:18.740 --> 05:43:20.600 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We're behind. Yun nga. h2r5-turn-004898 05:43:20.740 --> 05:43:21.400 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yun nga. h2r5-turn-004899 05:43:22.180 --> 05:43:22.740 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But h2r5-turn-004900 05:43:22.740 --> 05:43:28.900 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Create more brought it up from wherever it used to be. Probably 1.1 trillion, 1 trillion. h2r5-turn-004901 05:43:29.920 --> 05:43:34.760 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it jumped to 1.9 trillion. But yes, I will accept that we're h2r5-turn-004902 05:43:34.760 --> 05:43:37.560 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: far behind our neighbors, which is why we h2r5-turn-004903 05:43:37.560 --> 05:43:39.880 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: really had to correct Create. h2r5-turn-004904 05:43:40.200 --> 05:43:42.500 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Because Create really made h2r5-turn-004905 05:43:42.500 --> 05:43:42.920 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: it work. h2r5-turn-004906 05:43:44.440 --> 05:43:45.800 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, SecDec. h2r5-turn-004907 05:43:45.960 --> 05:43:50.660 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Tapos another example na nag-centralize na naman po tayo is h2r5-turn-004908 05:43:50.660 --> 05:43:51.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: with the PPP code. h2r5-turn-004909 05:43:52.560 --> 05:43:56.500 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Before the code was passed, ang daming PPP on the local level. h2r5-turn-004910 05:43:56.920 --> 05:44:19.820 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And in the local government code, I think we discussed this one time, SecDec. Local government code, may corporate powers yung mga local government units. Pero dahil sin-centralize na naman, very stringent. And I want to know, bottom line, after the passage of the code, did we end up with more PPPs or wala? h2r5-turn-004911 05:44:21.160 --> 05:44:23.380 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Can we ask the dev-dev? h2r5-turn-004912 05:44:25.530 --> 05:44:30.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We have here, Mr. Chair, we have here the Chair of the Executive h2r5-turn-004913 05:44:30.850 --> 05:44:34.490 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Director of the Philippine PPP h2r5-turn-004914 05:44:34.490 --> 05:44:37.210 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Center. h2r5-turn-004915 05:44:38.430 --> 05:44:38.990 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. h2r5-turn-004916 05:44:39.430 --> 05:44:41.510 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. And she has the data. And h2r5-turn-004917 05:44:41.510 --> 05:44:45.070 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: PPPs undertaken h2r5-turn-004918 05:44:45.070 --> 05:44:46.190 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: by the LGUs. h2r5-turn-004919 05:44:48.940 --> 05:44:53.160 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: Yes, hello. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just to respond to the question. h2r5-turn-004920 05:44:54.520 --> 05:45:06.760 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: Yes, we did receive a lot of PPP proposals for local government units. As a matter of fact, just for the first six months of this year, I think we received h2r5-turn-004921 05:45:06.760 --> 05:45:10.380 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: about 50 unsolicited proposals for LGUs. h2r5-turn-004922 05:45:11.900 --> 05:45:14.220 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: How many were consummated? h2r5-turn-004923 05:45:16.360 --> 05:45:26.400 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: These proposals are undergoing different stages of review and negotiation which are actually being done by the local government units. h2r5-turn-004924 05:45:27.640 --> 05:45:31.680 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So before the code, when I was governor, ang dami namin PPP. h2r5-turn-004925 05:45:32.300 --> 05:45:34.660 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ngayon, parang h2r5-turn-004926 05:45:34.660 --> 05:45:40.340 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: nahihirapan sa process as was discussed before with the SecDec. So h2r5-turn-004927 05:45:40.340 --> 05:45:40.660 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I h2r5-turn-004928 05:45:40.660 --> 05:45:52.720 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: guess we have to review our policies. Maybe we have to decentralize a little bit. In some countries that grew very, very fast, they decentralized economic powers as well. h2r5-turn-004929 05:45:53.340 --> 05:46:05.880 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So I think we have to look at that if we want to grow our economy very, very fast while we are at our demographic sweet spot. Kasi pag wala na yun, baka h2r5-turn-004930 05:46:05.880 --> 05:46:09.800 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: wala na tayong growth. We have missed our boat. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. h2r5-turn-004931 05:46:09.840 --> 05:46:19.100 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: Yes, Mr. Chair. If I may address that: actually, the review, negotiation, and approval power for PPPs in LGUs are decentralized. h2r5-turn-004932 05:46:20.080 --> 05:46:29.680 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: These are actually being done at the LGU level. What has been centralized are the requirements that need to be passed to h2r5-turn-004933 05:46:29.680 --> 05:46:32.600 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: the PPP center for the completeness check. h2r5-turn-004934 05:46:32.840 --> 05:46:40.105 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: The intention of that is actually to make sure that we have that. That competitive level h2r5-turn-004935 05:46:40.105 --> 05:46:46.700 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: among the proponents and among LGUs across all sectors. But the review, h2r5-turn-004936 05:46:46.960 --> 05:46:51.420 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: negotiation, and approval remains to be at the LGU level. h2r5-turn-004937 05:46:52.440 --> 05:47:00.560 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair. Pero up to now, walang bagong consummated PPP contract. h2r5-turn-004940 05:47:01.100 --> 05:47:09.620 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: Sorry, if I may just correct myself. In the first quarter of this year, we have awarded three local PPP contracts. h2r5-turn-004941 05:47:10.540 --> 05:47:17.440 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Can we compare that with the pre-PPP code era? h2r5-turn-004944 05:47:18.200 --> 05:47:23.700 PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: I just don't have the data at the moment, Mr. Chair, but we are committing to submit that. h2r5-turn-004945 05:47:24.260 --> 05:47:27.760 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair. Maraming salamat po sa ating PPP center. h2r5-turn-004946 05:47:28.960 --> 05:47:38.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you. SVC Albert Garcia will now move to the next interpellator for the second round. From the minority, Representative Sarah Elago. h2r5-turn-004947 05:47:47.470 --> 05:47:53.230 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Madam Chair. Manghihingi lang po ako unang-una nung report ng GAD compliance ng h2r5-turn-004948 05:47:53.230 --> 05:47:57.870 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mga agencies natin. Kung kasama po ang DBM sa nag h2r5-turn-004949 05:47:57.870 --> 05:47:59.950 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: -check ng proper h2r5-turn-004950 05:47:59.950 --> 05:48:02.550 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: utilization ng Gender and Development Fund. h2r5-turn-004951 05:48:03.130 --> 05:48:05.130 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para po ba sa 2025, h2r5-turn-004952 05:48:06.690 --> 05:48:07.930 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: magkano po yung h2r5-turn-004953 05:48:07.930 --> 05:48:11.830 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: buong nagamit para sa gender and development ng h2r5-turn-004954 05:48:11.830 --> 05:48:12.990 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ating mga agencies? h2r5-turn-004955 05:48:15.270 --> 05:48:23.050 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor. Unfortunately, we don't have the figure with us right now, but we will coordinate with the Philippine Commission on Women so h2r5-turn-004956 05:48:23.050 --> 05:48:27.230 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that we can get the data and submit to Your Honor through the Committee on Appropriation. h2r5-turn-004957 05:48:28.650 --> 05:48:29.150 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, h2r5-turn-004958 05:48:29.150 --> 05:48:32.510 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: maraming salamat, Madam Chair. At hihingin din po natin yung, h2r5-turn-004959 05:48:32.510 --> 05:48:36.350 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: hindi lang yung submission, pero kung meron na po kayong assessment, h2r5-turn-004960 05:48:36.710 --> 05:48:38.430 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kung paano h2r5-turn-004961 05:48:38.430 --> 05:48:41.550 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nagagamit ng mga agencies bilang hindi po hiwalay h2r5-turn-004962 05:48:41.550 --> 05:48:44.030 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na expenses, h2r5-turn-004963 05:48:44.030 --> 05:48:52.490 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: expenditure, pero kung paano nila natitiyak na sa bawat programa, sa bawat aktibidad, sa bawat proyekto ay meron tayong h2r5-turn-004964 05:48:52.490 --> 05:49:04.370 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nakikita at pagkilala sa halaga ng pantay na karapatan ng bawat isa at paglama din sa diskriminasyon. Hindi lang po sa kababaihan, pero sa kahit saan man, or kahit h2r5-turn-004965 05:49:04.370 --> 05:49:06.090 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ano man na kasarihan. h2r5-turn-004966 05:49:06.690 --> 05:49:10.270 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon, Madam Chair, gusto ko lang pong humingi h2r5-turn-004967 05:49:10.270 --> 05:49:16.230 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng clarification mula sa DepDev, dun sa binanggit nila kanina na figures ng poverty h2r5-turn-004968 05:49:16.230 --> 05:49:22.130 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: threshold. Ang sabi po nila kanina for NCR, meron tayong 16,842 pesos. h2r5-turn-004969 05:49:22.770 --> 05:49:26.490 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At sa labas ng NCR, 14,634. h2r5-turn-004970 05:49:27.010 --> 05:49:31.030 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At kung titignan yung daily sa h2r5-turn-004971 05:49:31.030 --> 05:49:33.490 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: NCR, ang sabi nila kanina 554. h2r5-turn-004972 05:49:33.930 --> 05:49:41.330 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit kung idedivide po yung figure na binigay nila monthly, nasa 561 pesos po ito, mas mataas. h2r5-turn-004973 05:49:42.210 --> 05:49:44.110 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At kung sa outside NCR, h2r5-turn-004974 05:49:44.410 --> 05:49:48.490 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nasa 488 pesos. Pwede po ba itong makumpirma ng DepDev? h2r5-turn-004975 05:49:55.970 --> 05:50:02.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ang divisor na ginagamit natin is 30.4 days. Sa average, h2r5-turn-004976 05:50:02.590 --> 05:50:04.730 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 30 h2r5-turn-004977 05:50:06.360 --> 05:50:09.080 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: .4 days per month ang h2r5-turn-004978 05:50:09.080 --> 05:50:10.280 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: average na ginagamit. h2r5-turn-004979 05:50:11.340 --> 05:50:13.680 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: 30.4 days. h2r5-turn-004980 05:50:14.360 --> 05:50:15.000 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Okay, h2r5-turn-004981 05:50:15.100 --> 05:50:17.040 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: so tama po kanina yung 554. h2r5-turn-004982 05:50:17.900 --> 05:50:20.940 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Okay. At sa labas po ng NCR, h2r5-turn-004983 05:50:21.160 --> 05:50:23.900 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nasa 460, 470 plus. h2r5-turn-004984 05:50:24.580 --> 05:50:25.180 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At h2r5-turn-004985 05:50:25.180 --> 05:50:26.400 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: natanong ko ito ulit, h2r5-turn-004986 05:50:26.400 --> 05:50:28.440 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Madam h2r5-turn-004987 05:50:28.440 --> 05:50:29.740 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Chair, dahil kung h2r5-turn-004988 05:50:29.740 --> 05:50:37.640 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: titignan natin yung pamantayan ng poverty threshold na binanggit sa atin ng DepDev, h2r5-turn-004989 05:50:37.780 --> 05:50:40.820 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: meron po tayong isa, h2r5-turn-004990 05:50:40.820 --> 05:50:42.860 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: dalawa, tatlo, apat, lima, h2r5-turn-004991 05:50:42.860 --> 05:50:46.040 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: anim at pito na mga regyon h2r5-turn-004992 05:50:46.420 --> 05:50:50.800 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na ang mga minimum wage po. Ay nasa ilalim na ng poverty threshold. h2r5-turn-004993 05:50:51.780 --> 05:50:53.980 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya ho, concerning, dahil h2r5-turn-004994 05:50:53.980 --> 05:50:57.680 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ibig sabihin nito, Madam Chair, hindi na lang talaga sapat h2r5-turn-004995 05:50:57.680 --> 05:50:58.580 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na isa h2r5-turn-004996 05:50:58.580 --> 05:51:00.280 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: yung kumikita sa h2r5-turn-004997 05:51:00.280 --> 05:51:03.520 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kada pamilya para masuportahan yung h2r5-turn-004998 05:51:03.520 --> 05:51:05.360 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: family of five. Kaya ho, h2r5-turn-004999 05:51:05.440 --> 05:51:10.480 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: isa rin ito sa mga dahilan kung bakit dito sa Kongreso, nagsusulong tayo h2r5-turn-005000 05:51:10.480 --> 05:51:12.200 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng pag h2r5-turn-005001 05:51:12.200 --> 05:51:15.880 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: -aaral sa pagpapatupad ng isang national h2r5-turn-005002 05:51:15.880 --> 05:51:17.920 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: minimum wage system. At h2r5-turn-005003 05:51:17.920 --> 05:51:21.040 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kung paano rin mapapababa yung presyo ng mga bilihin. h2r5-turn-005004 05:51:21.280 --> 05:51:26.980 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nabanggit na rin ho kanina yung iba't ibang mga proposals para tanggalin yung value-added tax. h2r5-turn-005005 05:51:27.360 --> 05:51:33.140 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Dahil patong-patong yung VAT sa pagkain, sa kuryente, sa langis at h2r5-turn-005006 05:51:33.140 --> 05:51:36.380 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mga batayang pangailangan ng ating mga kababayan. h2r5-turn-005007 05:51:36.780 --> 05:51:45.160 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya gusto rin ho natin hinga ng update ang DOF. Matagal na rin po natin na pinopropose sa kanila na ma h2r5-turn-005008 05:51:45.160 --> 05:51:53.700 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: -review yung suspension. O pagbaba man lang ng value-added tax. Bilang dagdag pa dun sa current h2r5-turn-005009 05:51:53.700 --> 05:51:56.720 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: powers na ng President na pwede h2r5-turn-005010 05:51:56.720 --> 05:51:59.780 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: silang mag-suspend, mag-reduce ng excise tax sa oil. h2r5-turn-005011 05:52:00.340 --> 05:52:06.620 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Marami hong nagsasabi rin sa atin na hindi sapat na bawasan yung excise tax sa LPG at kerosene. h2r5-turn-005012 05:52:06.760 --> 05:52:11.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung pwedeng bawasan o suspindihin na rin yung excise tax sa h2r5-turn-005013 05:52:11.320 --> 05:52:20.420 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: diesel at sa iba pang mga petroleum products. At kung maaari nararapat lang sa hirap ng buhay ngayon, mababa nga yung sahod, mataas ang presyo ng bilihin, h2r5-turn-005014 05:52:20.500 --> 05:52:36.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: dagdag pa po ang mga sunod-sunod na calamities, ay tingnan na rin, suriin na rin yung pagtanggal mismo sa value-added tax. Meron na po bang update mula sa DOF ng inyong proposal sa uplift? Napag-uusapan ho ba ito? h2r5-turn-005015 05:52:36.660 --> 05:52:48.600 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At ano ho yung plano natin for the next months? Lalong-lalo na may mga reported din po na, na windfall revenues ng government from VAT collection sa oil and petroleum products? h2r5-turn-005016 05:52:52.660 --> 05:52:54.900 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Madam Chair, Your Honor, h2r5-turn-005017 05:52:55.240 --> 05:52:56.580 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I h2r5-turn-005018 05:52:56.580 --> 05:52:59.820 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: mentioned it earlier that h2r5-turn-005019 05:52:59.820 --> 05:53:02.580 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: my categorical position on any tax h2r5-turn-005020 05:53:02.580 --> 05:53:06.700 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: removal is I'm not opposed to any tax removal h2r5-turn-005021 05:53:07.360 --> 05:53:11.100 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for as long as a replacement revenue source is identified. h2r5-turn-005022 05:53:12.800 --> 05:53:13.560 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I h2r5-turn-005023 05:53:13.560 --> 05:53:15.080 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: am neutral to h2r5-turn-005024 05:53:15.080 --> 05:53:17.320 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: all the tax removals. But we h2r5-turn-005025 05:53:17.320 --> 05:53:24.400 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: do have a national expenditure budget of 7.2 trillion, which we have to fund. h2r5-turn-005026 05:53:24.620 --> 05:53:28.120 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So if we remove any tax measure, h2r5-turn-005027 05:53:28.580 --> 05:53:31.940 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the request is that h2r5-turn-005028 05:53:31.940 --> 05:53:32.580 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your h2r5-turn-005029 05:53:32.580 --> 05:53:35.160 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Honor identify another tax h2r5-turn-005030 05:53:35.160 --> 05:53:36.040 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: source. h2r5-turn-005031 05:53:36.500 --> 05:53:37.180 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But h2r5-turn-005032 05:53:37.180 --> 05:53:40.080 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I'll tackle VAT in particular. h2r5-turn-005033 05:53:40.980 --> 05:53:47.960 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Our VAT rate is actually 12 percent. But our effective rate... VAT rate is only half. It's only six. h2r5-turn-005034 05:53:48.440 --> 05:53:52.140 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Because there are so many exemptions on VAT. h2r5-turn-005035 05:53:53.440 --> 05:54:00.480 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I will not name them, but the list is very long for all the exemptions. So our real effective VAT rate is actually only half. h2r5-turn-005036 05:54:02.960 --> 05:54:03.880 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And the h2r5-turn-005037 05:54:03.880 --> 05:54:07.240 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: discussion always in the h2r5-turn-005038 05:54:07.240 --> 05:54:24.720 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: DBCC, which was the entity that made the recommendation for which taxes to remove, was similar. If we remove this revenue source, what would the replacement be? Or at what expense to government services, h2r5-turn-005039 05:54:25.440 --> 05:54:26.180 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: ayuda, h2r5-turn-005040 05:54:26.620 --> 05:54:28.900 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: infrastructure, classrooms, h2r5-turn-005041 05:54:29.220 --> 05:54:30.620 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: etc.? h2r5-turn-005042 05:54:30.620 --> 05:54:31.800 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005043 05:54:32.020 --> 05:54:34.720 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Parehong question sa DOF. h2r5-turn-005044 05:54:34.780 --> 05:54:38.600 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kasi natanong po natin nung sila ay nagpunta dito para mag-present. h2r5-turn-005045 05:54:39.020 --> 05:54:41.700 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maganda naman na meron tayong MCIT h2r5-turn-005046 05:54:41.700 --> 05:54:46.980 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: exemption, meron din tayong pagtataas ng personal income tax exemption h2r5-turn-005047 05:54:46.980 --> 05:54:48.560 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: to P350,000. h2r5-turn-005048 05:54:49.720 --> 05:55:08.120 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Samantalang, nandyan din yung mga revenue generating reforms from the e-cigarettes, novel tobacco, excise tax on plastics, increase and expansion of sweet and beverage taxes, excise tax on alcohol, ano. Pero ang hinanap po namin, paano naman yung mga sobrang-sobrang yaman, yung h2r5-turn-005049 05:55:08.120 --> 05:55:21.103 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mga super-bilyonaryo? Meron ba kayong mga proposals, no, galing mismo sa inyo, no? Kasi kayo nga yung pinaka-nakakakita sa ngayon ng [unclear] na kalagayan ng ating bayan. At napakatindi na talaga ng h2r5-turn-005050 05:55:21.103 --> 05:55:30.820 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: layo yung agwat ng sobrang-sobrang yaman, mga bilyonaryo, doon sa mga pinakamahihirap nating mga kababayan. Kaya ho, ayun na lang yung h2r5-turn-005051 05:55:31.180 --> 05:55:39.420 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: katanungan ko, Madam Chair, no. Bagama't meron tayong mga relief, no, measures na sinabi ko na rin po, 350,000 is just an h2r5-turn-005052 05:55:39.420 --> 05:55:40.660 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: inflation h2r5-turn-005053 05:55:40.660 --> 05:55:41.720 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: -adjusted h2r5-turn-005054 05:55:41.720 --> 05:55:43.100 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: um, value, no. h2r5-turn-005055 05:55:43.100 --> 05:55:44.880 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ah, hindi talaga h2r5-turn-005056 05:55:44.880 --> 05:55:47.280 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ito yung parang mas malaki pa, no, substantially h2r5-turn-005057 05:55:47.280 --> 05:55:51.180 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: um, helpful, no, na relief sa ating mga kababayan h2r5-turn-005058 05:55:51.180 --> 05:55:53.920 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: pero sana naman, ah, pag-isipan din ho natin h2r5-turn-005059 05:55:53.920 --> 05:55:54.640 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kung paano h2r5-turn-005060 05:55:54.640 --> 05:55:57.740 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mapapasan din ng mga sobrang-sobrang yaman h2r5-turn-005061 05:55:57.740 --> 05:56:02.280 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: at mga malalaking korporasyon yung kinakailangan na h2r5-turn-005062 05:56:02.280 --> 05:56:08.540 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mabuo natin na revenues for health, education, agriculture and social services. h2r5-turn-005063 05:56:08.860 --> 05:56:10.060 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ayun lang, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005064 05:56:11.860 --> 05:56:13.540 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Madam Chair, can I answer? h2r5-turn-005065 05:56:13.900 --> 05:56:15.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Go ahead po. h2r5-turn-005066 05:56:15.340 --> 05:56:17.900 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, it is in the Progress Bill. h2r5-turn-005067 05:56:19.380 --> 05:56:22.000 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: There are several tax h2r5-turn-005068 05:56:22.000 --> 05:56:23.940 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: measures there that h2r5-turn-005069 05:56:23.940 --> 05:56:30.300 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: cover exactly what you said. For example, we were proposing a higher tax for automobiles in the luxury segment. h2r5-turn-005070 05:56:30.800 --> 05:56:34.020 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: There's also a proposal to tax private planes. h2r5-turn-005071 05:56:34.780 --> 05:56:36.880 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: There's also a measure to... h2r5-turn-005072 05:56:39.960 --> 05:56:47.580 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: GMT. We also have this global minimum tax that we want to tax the global multinationals that are doing operations in our country. h2r5-turn-005073 05:56:47.740 --> 05:56:49.420 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it's there. A h2r5-turn-005074 05:56:49.420 --> 05:56:50.240 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: short answer. h2r5-turn-005075 05:56:52.260 --> 05:56:54.980 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: What about, Madam Chair, the billionaire's tax? h2r5-turn-005076 05:56:55.840 --> 05:56:56.080 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: We h2r5-turn-005077 05:56:56.080 --> 05:56:56.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: have h2r5-turn-005078 05:56:56.320 --> 05:56:57.771 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: a lot here. We h2r5-turn-005079 05:56:57.771 --> 05:57:01.580 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: haven't filed any yet, in particular. But there h2r5-turn-005080 05:57:01.580 --> 05:57:05.220 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: are proposals here that we are currently studying. h2r5-turn-005081 05:57:05.260 --> 05:57:07.320 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Each one has h2r5-turn-005082 05:57:07.320 --> 05:57:10.440 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: 1 billion taxable income. There's an increase of 1 h2r5-turn-005083 05:57:11.020 --> 05:57:13.000 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: contribution. h2r5-turn-005084 05:57:15.810 --> 05:57:19.910 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think that we can continue that discussion internally. h2r5-turn-005085 05:57:21.450 --> 05:57:24.270 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But I think the global h2r5-turn-005086 05:57:24.270 --> 05:57:26.330 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: standard for that is... h2r5-turn-005087 05:57:27.490 --> 05:57:29.630 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Well, we will study that internally. h2r5-turn-005088 05:57:30.990 --> 05:57:32.810 Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: That's all for now, Madam Chair. Thank you very much. h2r5-turn-005089 05:57:33.430 --> 05:57:35.330 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Representative Elago. h2r5-turn-005090 05:57:35.790 --> 05:57:42.130 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Next to interpellate for the second round, Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand Hernandez. h2r5-turn-005091 05:57:42.670 --> 05:57:45.870 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: This is my first round, Madam Chair. Thank h2r5-turn-005092 05:57:45.870 --> 05:57:46.390 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: you, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005093 05:57:47.030 --> 05:57:49.030 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: To DOF. Sorry, Sec. h2r5-turn-005094 05:57:49.690 --> 05:57:50.010 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Madali h2r5-turn-005095 05:57:50.010 --> 05:57:50.290 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: lang 'to. h2r5-turn-005096 05:57:54.440 --> 05:57:57.520 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: The Chair of Ways and Means and I filed h2r5-turn-005097 05:57:57.520 --> 05:57:59.420 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: a bill for h2r5-turn-005098 05:57:59.420 --> 05:58:02.520 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: the removal of VAT on system loss. h2r5-turn-005099 05:58:03.840 --> 05:58:09.740 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: And I just feel, based on discussion, that h2r5-turn-005100 05:58:09.740 --> 05:58:11.080 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: we don't need a legislation. h2r5-turn-005101 05:58:12.100 --> 05:58:12.780 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: I h2r5-turn-005102 05:58:12.780 --> 05:58:14.020 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: totally agree with your h2r5-turn-005103 05:58:14.020 --> 05:58:19.160 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: position that when you ask for a removal of, let's h2r5-turn-005104 05:58:19.160 --> 05:58:24.360 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: say, VAT, you have to identify another source when it is legitimately imposed. h2r5-turn-005105 05:58:25.400 --> 05:58:25.740 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: However, h2r5-turn-005106 05:58:26.640 --> 05:58:32.020 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: dun sa systems loss kasi, I'll just read this, Sec. h2r5-turn-005107 05:58:33.500 --> 05:58:35.800 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: No consumption, no h2r5-turn-005108 05:58:35.800 --> 05:58:36.120 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: VAT. h2r5-turn-005109 05:58:37.800 --> 05:58:45.540 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Electricity loss before it reaches the consumer should not be treated as the same manner as electricity actually delivered and consumed. h2r5-turn-005110 05:58:46.740 --> 05:58:50.360 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Removing VAT on system loss, therefore, aligns the h2r5-turn-005111 05:58:50.360 --> 05:58:54.200 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: tax treatment with the consumption-based character of VAT and h2r5-turn-005112 05:58:54.200 --> 05:58:57.980 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: prevents consumer from paying a tax on electricity never h2r5-turn-005113 05:58:57.980 --> 05:58:59.220 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: actually used. h2r5-turn-005114 05:58:59.600 --> 05:59:00.120 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: So, h2r5-turn-005115 05:59:00.180 --> 05:59:03.140 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: nag-impose tayo ng VAT on h2r5-turn-005116 05:59:03.140 --> 05:59:04.720 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: consumption. h2r5-turn-005117 05:59:05.280 --> 05:59:07.580 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Ito kasi, they're h2r5-turn-005118 05:59:07.580 --> 05:59:09.840 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: paying already the system loss. h2r5-turn-005119 05:59:12.500 --> 05:59:13.400 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Kumbaga, h2r5-turn-005120 05:59:13.480 --> 05:59:18.720 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: pinasa na yung sa system loss sa consumer, ninagdagan pa ng VAT na h2r5-turn-005121 05:59:18.720 --> 05:59:21.460 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: hindi naman dapat i-impose because it's not consumption. h2r5-turn-005122 05:59:22.120 --> 05:59:26.960 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: So, this is different from VAT on electricity, only on the h2r5-turn-005123 05:59:26.960 --> 05:59:30.360 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: system loss. So, what is the position now of h2r5-turn-005124 05:59:30.360 --> 05:59:33.500 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: DOF and BIR? Kasi, nakikita namin, h2r5-turn-005125 05:59:34.440 --> 05:59:37.480 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: You can come up with your h2r5-turn-005126 05:59:37.480 --> 05:59:46.320 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: own rules and regulation. And you've cited several times, na ito yung mga VAT exempt. h2r5-turn-005127 05:59:46.620 --> 05:59:51.240 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: And it covers even previous imposition and then h2r5-turn-005128 05:59:51.240 --> 05:59:52.380 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: later on, h2r5-turn-005129 05:59:52.480 --> 05:59:54.840 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: sinasabi nyo na VAT exempt to. So, h2r5-turn-005130 05:59:54.840 --> 05:59:57.440 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: what we're asking h2r5-turn-005131 05:59:57.440 --> 05:59:59.400 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: is that I h2r5-turn-005132 05:59:59.400 --> 06:00:02.860 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: don't think we need the legislation. All we need is new, h2r5-turn-005133 06:00:02.860 --> 06:00:05.480 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: probably rules and regulation h2r5-turn-005134 06:00:05.500 --> 06:00:08.840 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: exempting VAT on system loss. h2r5-turn-005135 06:00:10.280 --> 06:00:17.012 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Your Honor, thank you very much. It's a point well taken. With h2r5-turn-005136 06:00:17.012 --> 06:00:21.380 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: your permission, I will ask our BIR Commissioner, Charlie Mendoza, to respond. h2r5-turn-005137 06:00:22.920 --> 06:00:23.460 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Yes. h2r5-turn-005138 06:00:23.460 --> 06:00:29.340 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Madam Chair, tama po iyon. Recently, we issued a revenue memorandum circular h2r5-turn-005139 06:00:29.340 --> 06:00:31.000 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: exempting some h2r5-turn-005140 06:00:31.000 --> 06:00:33.140 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: charges from VAT. h2r5-turn-005141 06:00:33.300 --> 06:00:39.040 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Iyan po ay iyong Green Energy Auction Allowance at iyong Lifeline Subsidy. We h2r5-turn-005142 06:00:39.040 --> 06:00:42.460 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: issued a revenue memorandum circular categorically stating that h2r5-turn-005143 06:00:42.480 --> 06:00:44.700 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: they should not be subject to VAT h2r5-turn-005144 06:00:44.700 --> 06:00:47.780 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: because these are clearly mandated pass- h2r5-turn-005145 06:00:47.780 --> 06:00:48.560 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: through charges. h2r5-turn-005146 06:00:49.100 --> 06:00:52.920 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: So, the current problem po kasi with system loss charge is h2r5-turn-005147 06:00:53.400 --> 06:00:56.453 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: that it is bundled h2r5-turn-005148 06:00:56.453 --> 06:00:58.699 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: with the gross sales h2r5-turn-005149 06:00:58.699 --> 06:00:59.821 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: of the companies, h2r5-turn-005150 06:00:59.821 --> 06:01:02.066 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: of the distributor. h2r5-turn-005151 06:01:02.066 --> 06:01:14.040 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: So, it becomes part of the gross sale and therefore, it forms part of the tax base of the VAT base. That is why it is currently being subject to VAT. h2r5-turn-005152 06:01:14.180 --> 06:01:18.680 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: But we are closely working with ERC on this, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005153 06:01:18.880 --> 06:01:20.200 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Nag-uusap po kami. h2r5-turn-005154 06:01:21.620 --> 06:01:22.220 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: At h2r5-turn-005155 06:01:22.220 --> 06:01:26.320 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: tinitingnan po namin kung paano natin mare-resolve itong concern na ito. h2r5-turn-005156 06:01:26.480 --> 06:01:29.080 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: In fact, as far as I know, they have a draft h2r5-turn-005157 06:01:29.080 --> 06:01:31.940 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: regulation addressing h2r5-turn-005158 06:01:31.940 --> 06:01:32.480 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: this. h2r5-turn-005159 06:01:32.760 --> 06:01:36.080 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: At ang pagkakaalam ko po is it will go h2r5-turn-005160 06:01:36.080 --> 06:01:38.440 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: through a public consultation next h2r5-turn-005161 06:01:38.440 --> 06:01:40.300 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: week. And then, titingnan po namin doon h2r5-turn-005162 06:01:40.300 --> 06:01:43.340 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: based doon sa regulation na ilalabas ng ERC. h2r5-turn-005163 06:01:43.520 --> 06:01:46.740 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Pero maliwanag naman po ang posisyon ng BIR dyan kung h2r5-turn-005164 06:01:46.740 --> 06:01:53.360 BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: iyan po ay hindi part ng gross sales, kung iyan po ay mandated pass-through charge lang, iyan po ay hindi dapat ma-subject sa VAT. h2r5-turn-005165 06:01:54.340 --> 06:01:58.360 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: So, Sek, this is important, no? Kasi para h2r5-turn-005166 06:01:58.360 --> 06:01:59.660 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: malaman ng taong bayan, h2r5-turn-005167 06:01:59.700 --> 06:02:02.400 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: meron naman pwedeng gawin na hindi na kailangan ng legislation. h2r5-turn-005168 06:02:02.920 --> 06:02:05.060 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: And they've been asking for this. The h2r5-turn-005169 06:02:05.060 --> 06:02:07.680 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: President mentioned this during SONA na h2r5-turn-005170 06:02:07.680 --> 06:02:09.680 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: merong solusyon na hindi na kailangan tumagal. h2r5-turn-005171 06:02:10.100 --> 06:02:13.700 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: All it takes is for BIR at ERC to sit down and h2r5-turn-005172 06:02:13.700 --> 06:02:14.620 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: come up with a new h2r5-turn-005173 06:02:14.620 --> 06:02:18.940 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: list or items that are chargeable and h2r5-turn-005174 06:02:18.940 --> 06:02:19.800 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: removing VAT. h2r5-turn-005175 06:02:19.920 --> 06:02:22.420 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Kasi in system loss, meron pang... h2r5-turn-005176 06:02:23.520 --> 06:02:28.720 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Technical and non-technical. And there's no issue on the non-technical. But h2r5-turn-005177 06:02:28.720 --> 06:02:34.380 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: as far as VAT, whether it's technical or non-technical, dapat talaga hindi na ma-impose yung VAT. h2r5-turn-005178 06:02:35.780 --> 06:02:41.220 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, your points are very well taken. I think what our h2r5-turn-005179 06:02:41.220 --> 06:02:47.260 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: BIR Commissioner mentioned is that there is light at the end of the tunnel, but h2r5-turn-005180 06:02:47.260 --> 06:02:51.160 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: there needs to be certain conditions that need to be satisfied. h2r5-turn-005181 06:02:52.240 --> 06:02:53.980 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We enumerated two. But h2r5-turn-005182 06:02:53.980 --> 06:03:00.200 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think the good news is there is light at the end of the tunnel on this one, I think. So h2r5-turn-005183 06:03:00.200 --> 06:03:03.620 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we probably, h2r5-turn-005184 06:03:03.840 --> 06:03:07.180 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: if the ERC ever comes in front of your h2r5-turn-005185 06:03:07.180 --> 06:03:10.780 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: committee, you can raise the same issue h2r5-turn-005186 06:03:10.780 --> 06:03:11.200 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: with them. h2r5-turn-005187 06:03:11.760 --> 06:03:13.540 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: I think we've met with the h2r5-turn-005188 06:03:13.540 --> 06:03:14.880 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Commissioner h2r5-turn-005189 06:03:14.880 --> 06:03:21.160 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: and ERC and they're working on it. And I hope that it can be resolved soon para sa taong bayan. h2r5-turn-005190 06:03:22.520 --> 06:03:23.440 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Another question. h2r5-turn-005191 06:03:25.900 --> 06:03:27.660 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Again, the h2r5-turn-005192 06:03:27.660 --> 06:03:30.200 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Chairman of Ways and Means and I filed h2r5-turn-005193 06:03:30.200 --> 06:03:30.800 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: a bill h2r5-turn-005194 06:03:30.800 --> 06:03:32.560 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: for h2r5-turn-005195 06:03:32.560 --> 06:03:36.300 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: the suspension of h2r5-turn-005196 06:03:36.300 --> 06:03:40.200 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: the Real Property Valuation and Assessment Reform Act. h2r5-turn-005197 06:03:41.580 --> 06:03:42.600 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Because of, h2r5-turn-005198 06:03:42.660 --> 06:03:43.700 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: number one, h2r5-turn-005199 06:03:43.780 --> 06:03:45.080 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: we are in crisis. h2r5-turn-005200 06:03:45.600 --> 06:03:47.900 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Number two, the h2r5-turn-005201 06:03:47.900 --> 06:03:49.480 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: unabated increase in prices. h2r5-turn-005202 06:03:49.960 --> 06:03:51.880 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: So parang, at h2r5-turn-005203 06:03:51.880 --> 06:03:52.580 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: this time... h2r5-turn-005204 06:03:53.460 --> 06:04:01.060 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: I don't think you have enough data and you've done consultation. And to impose this at this time, h2r5-turn-005205 06:04:01.160 --> 06:04:08.840 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: baka napaka-detrimental sa taong bayan. So what's the position of DOF on this? h2r5-turn-005206 06:04:09.440 --> 06:04:12.640 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, Madam Chair, if h2r5-turn-005207 06:04:12.640 --> 06:04:14.500 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Congress h2r5-turn-005208 06:04:14.500 --> 06:04:19.020 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: will legislate a postponement of RPVARA, we will comply. h2r5-turn-005209 06:04:21.100 --> 06:04:22.700 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Yes, we will do it. h2r5-turn-005210 06:04:22.780 --> 06:04:23.360 Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Thank you. h2r5-turn-005211 06:04:24.320 --> 06:04:24.800 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you. h2r5-turn-005212 06:04:36.220 --> 06:04:43.190 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, SDS Dinand. We'll now move to the next interpellator for the second round, from h2r5-turn-005213 06:04:53.910 --> 06:04:55.870 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Minority, Rep. Allan Ty. h2r5-turn-005214 06:04:58.830 --> 06:04:59.780 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005215 06:05:00.120 --> 06:05:02.020 Rep. Allan U. Ty: To Secretary Kim h2r5-turn-005216 06:05:02.020 --> 06:05:02.400 Rep. Allan U. Ty: de Leon, h2r5-turn-005217 06:05:02.660 --> 06:05:03.380 Rep. Allan U. Ty: what h2r5-turn-005218 06:05:08.220 --> 06:05:16.400 Rep. Allan U. Ty: was the total budget for the Local Government Support Fund, or LGSF, in fiscal year 2025 and h2r5-turn-005219 06:05:16.400 --> 06:05:18.380 Rep. Allan U. Ty: for fiscal year 2026? h2r5-turn-005220 06:05:33.660 --> 06:05:35.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-005221 06:05:36.970 --> 06:05:37.550 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ah. h2r5-turn-005222 06:05:38.370 --> 06:05:40.624 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Are we referring to the h2r5-turn-005223 06:05:40.624 --> 06:05:44.230 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: total LGSF, Your Honor, across the different uses? h2r5-turn-005224 06:05:44.750 --> 06:05:47.890 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For 2026, that is 57 h2r5-turn-005225 06:05:47.890 --> 06:05:53.430 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .872 billion pesos, Your Honor. And h2r5-turn-005226 06:05:53.430 --> 06:05:57.810 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for 2027, that is 58.532 h2r5-turn-005227 06:05:57.810 --> 06:05:59.190 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion pesos. h2r5-turn-005228 06:06:00.010 --> 06:06:00.910 Rep. Allan U. Ty: For 2025, h2r5-turn-005229 06:06:01.370 --> 06:06:01.910 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-005230 06:06:03.070 --> 06:06:03.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Sixty. h2r5-turn-005231 06:06:04.190 --> 06:06:04.990 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Twenty h2r5-turn-005232 06:06:04.990 --> 06:06:05.670 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -twenty-five. h2r5-turn-005233 06:06:10.360 --> 06:06:14.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, we'll just... We'll just retrieve the level for 2025. h2r5-turn-005234 06:06:38.920 --> 06:06:41.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Twenty-twenty-five, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-005235 06:06:46.700 --> 06:06:47.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ga h2r5-turn-005236 06:06:52.750 --> 06:06:53.170 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -a level. h2r5-turn-005237 06:06:53.510 --> 06:06:54.250 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The h2r5-turn-005238 06:06:57.870 --> 06:07:04.590 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GAA level for 2025 for LGSF is 22.999 billion pesos, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-005239 06:07:05.310 --> 06:07:08.770 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, may I refer you to Volume h2r5-turn-005240 06:07:10.080 --> 06:07:11.500 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 3 of h2r5-turn-005241 06:07:11.500 --> 06:07:14.600 Rep. Allan U. Ty: the NEP 2027, page h2r5-turn-005242 06:07:14.600 --> 06:07:15.980 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 887. h2r5-turn-005243 06:07:17.700 --> 06:07:19.180 Rep. Allan U. Ty: On... On... h2r5-turn-005244 06:07:19.180 --> 06:07:20.020 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Letter D, h2r5-turn-005245 06:07:20.220 --> 06:07:24.280 Rep. Allan U. Ty: as to unreleased h2r5-turn-005246 06:07:24.280 --> 06:07:25.540 Rep. Allan U. Ty: appropriation for h2r5-turn-005247 06:07:25.540 --> 06:07:27.480 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 2025, you h2r5-turn-005248 06:07:27.480 --> 06:07:30.160 Rep. Allan U. Ty: have 10.936 billion, am I correct? h2r5-turn-005249 06:07:32.500 --> 06:07:35.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May we confirm, Your Honor, Volume 3? h2r5-turn-005250 06:07:39.000 --> 06:07:40.280 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Page 887, h2r5-turn-005251 06:07:40.680 --> 06:07:41.360 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-005252 06:07:42.000 --> 06:07:45.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's on LGSF, presumably, Your Honor. h2r5-turn-005253 06:07:45.560 --> 06:07:48.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Page 887, unreleased, apro. So, h2r5-turn-005254 06:07:49.020 --> 06:07:53.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we confirm that figure, Your Honor, 10.936 in unreleased, apro. h2r5-turn-005255 06:07:53.720 --> 06:07:56.200 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Yes. So, it was carried to h2r5-turn-005256 06:07:56.200 --> 06:07:58.120 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 2026, am I correct? h2r5-turn-005257 06:08:00.180 --> 06:08:02.280 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The validity... That is correct, h2r5-turn-005258 06:08:02.520 --> 06:08:03.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor. h2r5-turn-005259 06:08:03.440 --> 06:08:07.760 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, the total available appropriation is around 68.8 h2r5-turn-005260 06:08:07.760 --> 06:08:09.100 Rep. Allan U. Ty: billion pesos, h2r5-turn-005261 06:08:09.360 --> 06:08:10.000 Rep. Allan U. Ty: am I correct? h2r5-turn-005262 06:08:10.980 --> 06:08:14.360 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on that page of the NEP, Your Honor, that is correct. h2r5-turn-005263 06:08:15.560 --> 06:08:22.580 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, how much has been appropriated for fiscal year 2026 out of 68.8 billion? h2r5-turn-005264 06:08:22.580 --> 06:08:35.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For the releases, as of 2026, your honor, we're just pulling up the slides, the figures. So h2r5-turn-005265 06:08:37.780 --> 06:08:42.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the cumulative, your honor, from 2026, we have h2r5-turn-005266 06:08:44.790 --> 06:08:56.350 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 50.9 plus the continuing 3.7. So that's about 50 h2r5-turn-005267 06:08:58.080 --> 06:09:00.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .9, h2r5-turn-005268 06:09:00.520 --> 06:09:05.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: almost 54 billion pesos as of July h2r5-turn-005269 06:09:05.400 --> 06:09:07.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 31, your honor, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005270 06:09:08.680 --> 06:09:10.800 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So Mr. Secretary, how much still h2r5-turn-005271 06:09:10.800 --> 06:09:12.620 Rep. Allan U. Ty: remains h2r5-turn-005272 06:09:12.620 --> 06:09:18.840 Rep. Allan U. Ty: available or unreleased from fiscal year 2026? h2r5-turn-005273 06:09:19.400 --> 06:09:33.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: This is as of July 31, your honor, although there are... There were releases made during the first two weeks of August. So that's about a h2r5-turn-005274 06:09:37.360 --> 06:09:39.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: little over 7 h2r5-turn-005275 06:09:39.940 --> 06:09:42.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion, your honor, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005276 06:09:42.860 --> 06:09:44.480 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. h2r5-turn-005277 06:09:44.480 --> 06:09:44.740 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary. h2r5-turn-005278 06:09:45.760 --> 06:09:47.640 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, can h2r5-turn-005279 06:09:47.640 --> 06:09:49.060 Rep. Allan U. Ty: you distinguish between h2r5-turn-005280 06:09:49.060 --> 06:09:53.360 Rep. Allan U. Ty: unreleased appropriations from h2r5-turn-005281 06:09:53.360 --> 06:09:55.620 Rep. Allan U. Ty: unobligated allotments? h2r5-turn-005282 06:09:56.840 --> 06:10:06.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair. Unreleased appropriations. Unreleased appropriations pertains to appropriations authorized in the GAA, which we have not yet released any form h2r5-turn-005283 06:10:06.380 --> 06:10:07.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of obligation and authority. h2r5-turn-005284 06:10:08.140 --> 06:10:21.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: While unobligated allotments, your honor, Madam Chair, pertains to allotments already released to the corresponding departments or agencies but are yet to be obligated by h2r5-turn-005285 06:10:21.000 --> 06:10:23.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the respective departments or agencies, your honor. h2r5-turn-005286 06:10:23.820 --> 06:10:24.700 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. h2r5-turn-005287 06:10:24.780 --> 06:10:25.100 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary. h2r5-turn-005288 06:10:25.380 --> 06:10:33.920 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So my question now, Mr. Secretary, about the declaration. What will be your legal basis on the declaration of savings? h2r5-turn-005289 06:10:34.360 --> 06:10:46.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, pursuant to the pertinent general provisions and corresponding jurisprudence on the declaration of savings, your honor, Madam Chair. The h2r5-turn-005290 06:10:46.800 --> 06:10:52.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: first basis is to refer to released allotments, your honor. h2r5-turn-005291 06:10:54.120 --> 06:10:55.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And from h2r5-turn-005292 06:10:55.800 --> 06:11:00.433 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: these released allotments... The proper determination, h2r5-turn-005293 06:11:00.433 --> 06:11:12.649 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: whether the projects are already deemed abandoned, completed, or discontinued, that's the enumerated basis in the general provision as to when a project h2r5-turn-005294 06:11:12.649 --> 06:11:21.980 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: or a PAP can be declared as savings, your honor. But it has to be released allotment, your honor, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005295 06:11:23.000 --> 06:11:25.040 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Correct. I agree with you, Mr. Secretary. h2r5-turn-005296 06:11:25.380 --> 06:11:30.240 Rep. Allan U. Ty: So in fiscal year 2025, you did declare... Clear savings, am I correct? h2r5-turn-005297 06:11:32.950 --> 06:11:39.870 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For, do we refer to the period, your honor, the last fiscal year, during fiscal year 2025? h2r5-turn-005298 06:11:40.390 --> 06:11:40.850 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Yes. h2r5-turn-005299 06:11:41.130 --> 06:11:46.510 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I will have to confirm that period, your honor, because that's something I am not personally privy about. h2r5-turn-005300 06:12:05.050 --> 06:12:14.850 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, subject to the final determination, the initial response that we had is during the period of 2025, h2r5-turn-005301 06:12:15.650 --> 06:12:23.990 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there was no declaration of savings. But definitely, we'll have to double-check with our figures as well, your honor, on h2r5-turn-005302 06:12:23.990 --> 06:12:26.650 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the particular timing of that declaration of savings. h2r5-turn-005303 06:12:28.170 --> 06:12:28.730 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. h2r5-turn-005304 06:12:28.790 --> 06:12:35.110 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary, are you familiar with National Budget Circular No. 603, dated May 4, 2026? h2r5-turn-005305 06:12:35.850 --> 06:12:41.670 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor. That is issued in response to the Middle East oil crisis. h2r5-turn-005306 06:12:42.110 --> 06:12:45.810 Rep. Allan U. Ty: And it also provides for the agencies to h2r5-turn-005307 06:12:45.810 --> 06:12:47.910 Rep. Allan U. Ty: identify savings, am I h2r5-turn-005308 06:12:47.910 --> 06:12:48.170 Rep. Allan U. Ty: correct? h2r5-turn-005309 06:12:49.010 --> 06:12:51.630 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, your honor. But that's h2r5-turn-005310 06:12:51.630 --> 06:12:58.050 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: why I clarified on the period because NBC-603 was issued in 2026, your honor. h2r5-turn-005311 06:12:58.570 --> 06:13:02.170 Rep. Allan U. Ty: No, Mr. Secretary, can you please go h2r5-turn-005312 06:13:02.170 --> 06:13:07.390 Rep. Allan U. Ty: over it again? NBC Circular No. 603 refers to fiscal year 2025. h2r5-turn-005313 06:13:08.090 --> 06:13:13.290 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct. We confirm that, your honor. We issued that in 2026, but h2r5-turn-005314 06:13:13.290 --> 06:13:21.990 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: covering available release allotments that may be declared as savings, under the fiscal year 2025, continuing appropriations. h2r5-turn-005315 06:13:23.640 --> 06:13:25.700 Rep. Allan U. Ty: You also issued h2r5-turn-005316 06:13:25.700 --> 06:13:28.580 Rep. Allan U. Ty: NBC Circular No. 602, h2r5-turn-005317 06:13:28.580 --> 06:13:30.700 Rep. Allan U. Ty: dated h2r5-turn-005318 06:13:30.700 --> 06:13:33.740 Rep. Allan U. Ty: April 23, 2026, h2r5-turn-005319 06:13:34.060 --> 06:13:35.640 Rep. Allan U. Ty: covering fiscal year h2r5-turn-005320 06:13:35.640 --> 06:13:37.500 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 2026, am I correct? h2r5-turn-005321 06:13:37.780 --> 06:13:43.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, your honor. For fiscal year 2026, GAA release allotments, your honor. h2r5-turn-005322 06:13:49.000 --> 06:13:54.800 Rep. Allan U. Ty: May I refer to you to your program adjustments for January 1 to July 31? h2r5-turn-005323 06:14:08.020 --> 06:14:13.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor. I'm holding the said report, your honor, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005324 06:14:16.190 --> 06:14:17.270 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Based on the h2r5-turn-005325 06:14:17.270 --> 06:14:21.470 Rep. Allan U. Ty: FY2026 program adjustments, there h2r5-turn-005326 06:14:21.470 --> 06:14:24.310 Rep. Allan U. Ty: was already a declaration of savings in the amount of 3 h2r5-turn-005327 06:14:24.310 --> 06:14:28.250 Rep. Allan U. Ty: .24 billion h2r5-turn-005328 06:14:28.250 --> 06:14:28.910 Rep. Allan U. Ty: pesos. h2r5-turn-005329 06:14:30.170 --> 06:14:30.790 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Am h2r5-turn-005330 06:14:30.790 --> 06:14:31.670 Rep. Allan U. Ty: I correct? h2r5-turn-005331 06:14:33.310 --> 06:14:33.930 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Or h2r5-turn-005332 06:14:33.930 --> 06:14:35.490 Rep. Allan U. Ty: rather, amount h2r5-turn-005333 06:14:39.550 --> 06:14:42.970 Rep. Allan U. Ty: of 12.287 billion. h2r5-turn-005335 06:14:43.930 --> 06:14:45.530 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Out of the fiscal year h2r5-turn-005336 06:14:45.530 --> 06:14:46.610 Rep. Allan U. Ty: 2025, h2r5-turn-005337 06:14:47.110 --> 06:14:47.410 Rep. Allan U. Ty: GAA. h2r5-turn-005338 06:15:08.100 --> 06:15:08.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I h2r5-turn-005339 06:15:08.380 --> 06:15:12.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: apologize, your honor. We're trying to find that same figure that your honor has mentioned. h2r5-turn-005340 06:15:20.970 --> 06:15:26.570 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, the figure you mentioned was 12.658 h2r5-turn-005341 06:15:26.570 --> 06:15:27.850 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion pesos. h2r5-turn-005342 06:15:29.110 --> 06:15:34.110 Rep. Allan U. Ty: The amount is around 12.287199 billion. h2r5-turn-005344 06:15:34.490 --> 06:15:35.050 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I h2r5-turn-005345 06:16:15.750 --> 06:16:22.550 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: apologize, your honor, if you can point us further to which department. Because apparently, in the adjustment h2r5-turn-005346 06:16:22.550 --> 06:16:27.470 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that we have in front of us, we cannot seem to find that same figure that you cited. h2r5-turn-005347 06:16:27.850 --> 06:16:32.630 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Madam Chair, may I approach the Secretary to confer with him about h2r5-turn-005348 06:16:32.630 --> 06:16:34.290 Rep. Allan U. Ty: the figure on h2r5-turn-005349 06:16:34.290 --> 06:16:34.890 Rep. Allan U. Ty: my possession? h2r5-turn-005350 06:16:38.900 --> 06:16:47.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Go ahead, po. ComSec, please stop the time while Representative Ty is conferring with Sec. Kim. h2r5-turn-005351 06:17:05.240 --> 06:17:09.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor. We can now confirm the figure. The figure, h2r5-turn-005352 06:17:09.340 --> 06:17:21.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 12.287 billion, initially declared as savings by the respective agencies from the fiscal year 2025, GAA, pursuant to National Budget Circular h2r5-turn-005353 06:17:21.460 --> 06:17:24.400 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 603. Your honor, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005354 06:17:26.160 --> 06:17:28.480 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Was the amount allocated already, h2r5-turn-005355 06:17:28.780 --> 06:17:32.080 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary? And to which department was it allocated? h2r5-turn-005356 06:17:32.600 --> 06:17:39.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Madam Chair, your honor. In compliance with the rule on declaration of savings, it is imperative. h2r5-turn-005357 06:17:41.580 --> 06:17:44.360 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's why the recipient PAP, h2r5-turn-005358 06:17:44.540 --> 06:17:52.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the recipient agencies are the following, 11.287119 to the Department of Social Welfare and Development, h2r5-turn-005359 06:17:52.860 --> 06:17:56.220 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: and 1 billion pesos to DMW OWA to h2r5-turn-005360 06:17:56.220 --> 06:18:00.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: implement measures under the Uplift Program, your honor, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005361 06:18:01.820 --> 06:18:05.280 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Secretary. How about for 2026? h2r5-turn-005362 06:18:06.800 --> 06:18:14.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For 20, under the 2026 GAA, your honor, Madam Chair, the offered h2r5-turn-005363 06:18:14.240 --> 06:18:25.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: savings amounts to 4.087801, initially, your honor, h2r5-turn-005365 06:18:27.440 --> 06:18:30.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: corresponding to amounts h2r5-turn-005366 06:18:30.460 --> 06:18:34.340 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: released as well to DMW OSEC at 3 billion and additional 1 h2r5-turn-005367 06:18:34.340 --> 06:18:37.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .087 billion for h2r5-turn-005368 06:18:37.140 --> 06:18:41.497 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DSWD. And we add to that as well, the amount h2r5-turn-005370 06:18:42.700 --> 06:18:45.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Some earmarked amounts for DA at 2 billion. h2r5-turn-005371 06:18:46.280 --> 06:18:52.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So that gives us about 6.1 billion pesos from under 2026 GAA, your honor. h2r5-turn-005372 06:18:53.680 --> 06:18:54.560 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. h2r5-turn-005373 06:18:54.660 --> 06:18:54.900 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary. h2r5-turn-005374 06:18:55.900 --> 06:18:56.460 Rep. Allan U. Ty: I h2r5-turn-005375 06:18:56.460 --> 06:18:57.180 Rep. Allan U. Ty: have no more questions, h2r5-turn-005376 06:18:58.000 --> 06:18:58.560 Rep. Allan U. Ty: Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005377 06:19:01.100 --> 06:19:06.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Representative Ty. Next to interpellate for the second round, Representative Renee Co. h2r5-turn-005378 06:19:09.820 --> 06:19:20.340 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Chair. Just to get back also on free higher education, Madam Chair, this representation would like to share h2r5-turn-005379 06:19:20.340 --> 06:19:38.720 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: its appreciation na may attention finally doon sa pag-disburse at paglabas ng pondo para po sa free higher education deficiency. And the Secretary made mention of their updated formula in relation sa pag h2r5-turn-005380 06:19:38.720 --> 06:19:49.320 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: -calculate ano yung SUC budget. May this representation be furnished a copy of how the DBM now calculates the budget? h2r5-turn-005381 06:19:52.840 --> 06:19:56.760 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor, Madam Chair, would be glad to share with the h2r5-turn-005382 06:19:57.540 --> 06:20:04.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: good Congresswoman the basis for the computation of the FHE allocation as presented in the 2027 NEP. h2r5-turn-005383 06:20:05.380 --> 06:20:22.580 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Okay. And just a practical question po, Madam Chair. Section 4 po kasi provides that the basis should be the projected number of enrollees for each academic year. Pero mukhang nag-share po ng DBM. Parang actual number of enrollees for the h2r5-turn-005384 06:20:22.580 --> 06:20:28.000 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: average of three years. Paano po i-reconcile ng DBM yun? h2r5-turn-005385 06:20:29.220 --> 06:20:38.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, that is the reason why we used some proxy indicator to approximate the probable increase because historically, h2r5-turn-005386 06:20:38.400 --> 06:20:39.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the h2r5-turn-005387 06:20:39.060 --> 06:20:44.160 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: reason why there were arrears because the old enrollment figures were used. h2r5-turn-005388 06:20:44.340 --> 06:20:48.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But this time, we used the three h2r5-turn-005389 06:20:48.060 --> 06:20:53.033 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -year estimate. So, the average growth of the enrollment so that we h2r5-turn-005390 06:20:53.033 --> 06:20:59.080 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: can approximate the level of increase for 2027. As for any variance that may arise, h2r5-turn-005391 06:20:59.380 --> 06:21:02.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: even if we have already applied this average growth rate, h2r5-turn-005392 06:21:03.180 --> 06:21:08.520 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that is something that will have to be calculated with CHED and UNIFA so that we can h2r5-turn-005393 06:21:08.520 --> 06:21:13.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: identify the amount and the possible corresponding source, your honor. h2r5-turn-005394 06:21:14.700 --> 06:21:20.920 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you po, Madam Chair. And syempre, tuloy-tuloyin namang BWM. Pagkabantayan ng representasyong ito yung h2r5-turn-005395 06:21:20.920 --> 06:21:25.540 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: implementation ng RA 10931. At paano, syempre, pinupondohan h2r5-turn-005396 06:21:25.540 --> 06:21:31.260 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yung pagkakaroon ng libre legalidad abot kamay na edukasyon para sa kabataan. h2r5-turn-005397 06:21:31.920 --> 06:21:37.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Just to add as well, your honor, Madam Chair, in relation to the almost 10 billion that we have released, the h2r5-turn-005398 06:21:37.920 --> 06:21:42.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: release actually has a small portion or small allowance that will allow CHED h2r5-turn-005399 06:21:42.860 --> 06:21:52.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to entertain possible appeals from SUCs in case there will be some discrepancies. In terms of the enrollment being claimed. So that can be h2r5-turn-005400 06:21:52.060 --> 06:21:56.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: handled very well by CHED. And we maintain close coordination, your honor, to h2r5-turn-005401 06:21:56.920 --> 06:22:00.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fully settle our FHE careers to our SUCs. h2r5-turn-005402 06:22:01.540 --> 06:22:16.360 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Madam Chair. Last na lang po on confidential funds. Dahil may nirelease lang din po today, or a few days ago na article yung Rappler, detailing how even at the local government level, h2r5-turn-005403 06:22:16.960 --> 06:22:44.040 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: meron ding increases in... confidential funds na nire-report ang mga LGUs. Is there an explanation for this? Bakit po dumadami yung mga pondong nire-request that confidentially ginagamit? Ayun nga po, bumabalik tayo doon sa prinsipyo na ideally, transparent yung mekanismo ng pag-report ng spending ng public funds, pero dumadami yung ganitong instances. h2r5-turn-005404 06:22:47.220 --> 06:22:47.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam h2r5-turn-005405 06:22:47.900 --> 06:22:49.940 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, your honor, number one. May time po. h2r5-turn-005406 06:22:50.340 --> 06:22:51.240 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you. h2r5-turn-005407 06:22:51.620 --> 06:22:55.800 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: On the confidential funds of LGUs, number one, meron pong h2r5-turn-005408 06:22:55.800 --> 06:23:01.840 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: guidelines na sinusunod ang ating mga local government units in the preparation of the respective h2r5-turn-005409 06:23:01.840 --> 06:23:05.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: LGU budgets. At in fact, h2r5-turn-005410 06:23:05.620 --> 06:23:14.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron pong limitation din po ang pagkakaroon ng confidential funds sa ating mga local government units dahil h2r5-turn-005411 06:23:14.000 --> 06:23:17.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: patid po natin that they also perform peace and order mandate. h2r5-turn-005412 06:23:17.800 --> 06:23:23.060 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So meron po tayong issued na joint... Kabilang po ito doon sa issued joint circular on h2r5-turn-005413 06:23:23.060 --> 06:23:28.180 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the limitation and use of confidential funds, kabilang po yung proper documentation na h2r5-turn-005414 06:23:28.180 --> 06:23:32.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: necessary to support the same. At sa atin pong mga local government units, h2r5-turn-005415 06:23:33.380 --> 06:23:35.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kailangan pong ma-aprubahan ng h2r5-turn-005416 06:23:35.700 --> 06:23:38.020 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanilang respective local h2r5-turn-005417 06:23:38.020 --> 06:23:40.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: peace and order council, number one. h2r5-turn-005418 06:23:40.780 --> 06:23:56.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Dapat po may covering local peace and order council approval, yung proposed allocation. Ngayon din, dahil ito po ay appropriation sa level ng... Dapat din po itong ma-aprubahan ng kanilang mga respective sanggunian, your honor, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005419 06:23:57.340 --> 06:24:01.200 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So does DBM look at these resolutions? h2r5-turn-005420 06:24:03.200 --> 06:24:14.180 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Meron po bang nakikitang trends? Bakit po ba dumadagdag yung spending? And sa dulo po ba nito, ano po bang pwedeng magawa pa ng DBM to ensure na h2r5-turn-005421 06:24:14.180 --> 06:24:20.120 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: nagagamit sa tama, hindi nahulog sa maling paggasta ang confidential funds? h2r5-turn-005422 06:24:20.700 --> 06:24:30.620 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Number one po, your honor, Madam Chair, at the level of the DBM, ang dumarating po sa amin for review and approval ng mga LGU budgets, ay yun pong para sa mga h2r5-turn-005423 06:24:30.620 --> 06:24:36.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: provinces and highly urbanized cities. Dahil po yung iba pong level under the local government code, h2r5-turn-005424 06:24:36.880 --> 06:24:39.460 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron pong iba't-ibang nagre-review. So for DBM, h2r5-turn-005425 06:24:39.720 --> 06:24:44.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we review and approve the budgets of provinces and highly h2r5-turn-005426 06:24:44.140 --> 06:24:48.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: urbanized city at tinitingnan po natin sa ating pag-review yung h2r5-turn-005427 06:24:48.300 --> 06:24:54.109 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanila pong compliance sa iba't-ibang paratong budget. So yung parameters on local budgets, kapilang na h2r5-turn-005428 06:24:54.109 --> 06:24:57.878 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po dyan yung limitation on the allocation for h2r5-turn-005429 06:24:57.878 --> 06:24:59.960 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential fund. As to the utilization, h2r5-turn-005430 06:25:00.520 --> 06:25:05.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: your honor, we fully submit that it is within, nandoon na nga po sa Joint Circular, h2r5-turn-005431 06:25:05.420 --> 06:25:09.780 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun po kasing report ng actual na paggamit ng confidential fund ay hindi h2r5-turn-005432 06:25:09.780 --> 06:25:12.260 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po sa DBM actually sinasubmit. h2r5-turn-005433 06:25:12.360 --> 06:25:15.300 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: It's being submitted to the Commission on Audit for their h2r5-turn-005434 06:25:15.300 --> 06:25:21.120 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: post-audit and determination whether the same is actually used in accordance. With the h2r5-turn-005435 06:25:21.120 --> 06:25:28.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: approved peace and order plan endorsed by the respective local peace and order councils of their LGUs, your honor. h2r5-turn-005436 06:25:28.480 --> 06:25:29.180 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So h2r5-turn-005437 06:25:29.180 --> 06:25:30.060 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: to clarify, h2r5-turn-005438 06:25:30.540 --> 06:25:34.160 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: siyempre labas na yung post h2r5-turn-005439 06:25:34.160 --> 06:25:46.400 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: -allocation dahil ang COA po ang gumagawa. Pero prior po or during sa pag-submit po ng budget, maaari po bang tignan ng DBM at mag-disapprove ng h2r5-turn-005440 06:25:46.400 --> 06:25:49.080 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: plan ng paggasta kung may na-flag? h2r5-turn-005441 06:25:50.400 --> 06:25:54.860 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, sa review po kasi ng mga regional offices ng DBM ng budget. h2r5-turn-005442 06:25:54.860 --> 06:26:03.320 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: To clarify po, Madam Chair, we're also including din sana yung national government agencies, NGAs, sana, and hindi lang po LGUs. h2r5-turn-005443 06:26:04.180 --> 06:26:06.120 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: In your answer, supposedly, Secretary. h2r5-turn-005444 06:26:06.560 --> 06:26:19.600 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, in evaluating, sorry po if I have to differentiate kasi magkaiba po kasi yung proseso. For the local government units, our regional offices that reviews local government units' budgets, h2r5-turn-005445 06:26:20.340 --> 06:26:26.900 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: primarily, ang tinitingnan po dito, well, number one, if it does not exceed the ceiling provided for under existing h2r5-turn-005446 06:26:26.900 --> 06:26:30.320 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: guidelines, and if these are properly supported h2r5-turn-005447 06:26:30.320 --> 06:26:32.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: by the requisite h2r5-turn-005448 06:26:32.140 --> 06:26:38.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mentioned documents dun po sa ating joint circular. So one po yung ceiling, pangalawa po yung h2r5-turn-005449 06:26:38.480 --> 06:26:41.000 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: presence ng resolution endorsement ng h2r5-turn-005450 06:26:41.000 --> 06:26:44.100 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: local peace and order council, gayon din po h2r5-turn-005451 06:26:44.100 --> 06:26:46.380 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung supporting certification h2r5-turn-005452 06:26:46.380 --> 06:26:52.480 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: from the PNP chief regarding the peace and order situation, that actually necessitates yung h2r5-turn-005453 06:26:52.480 --> 06:26:55.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pangangailangan po sa confidential fund ng isang LGU. h2r5-turn-005454 06:26:55.680 --> 06:26:58.640 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So dun po sa level na yun pumapasok yung role ng DBM. h2r5-turn-005455 06:26:58.880 --> 06:27:02.500 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Pagdating po sa national government agency, again, similarly, h2r5-turn-005456 06:27:03.000 --> 06:27:12.560 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mandato po ng ahensya yung una nating tinitingnan, and as to amount, we have practically limited yung amount po ng confidential and intelligence funds to h2r5-turn-005457 06:27:12.560 --> 06:27:24.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the NEP level, at hindi po tayo halos nagbigay or nag-entertain ng any request for increase or new confidential funds, na civilian agencies na lalo na po kung wala pong mandato na h2r5-turn-005458 06:27:24.140 --> 06:27:28.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: magsagawa ng intelligence, counterintelligence, or security operations, Your Honor. So h2r5-turn-005459 06:27:28.920 --> 06:27:39.520 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Chair, ang naririnig ko po ba ay, correct me if I'm wrong, yes, may power ang DBM na gawin yun. Kung malabas po sa mandato, maaari niyang i-disprove yung h2r5-turn-005460 06:27:39.520 --> 06:27:45.460 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sinubmit na budget request, or para ma-include po sa national budget, h2r5-turn-005461 06:27:45.620 --> 06:27:49.440 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yung confidential expenses na gustong gamitin, gastahin. h2r5-turn-005462 06:27:49.580 --> 06:27:50.920 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. Okay, h2r5-turn-005463 06:27:50.980 --> 06:27:53.440 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: thank you Madam Chair. My h2r5-turn-005464 06:27:53.440 --> 06:27:56.780 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: next question po would be to DepDev, h2r5-turn-005465 06:27:56.940 --> 06:27:57.840 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in h2r5-turn-005466 06:27:57.840 --> 06:27:59.480 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: relation po sa kanyang presentation h2r5-turn-005467 06:27:59.480 --> 06:28:00.680 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: po h2r5-turn-005468 06:28:00.680 --> 06:28:01.220 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: nila earlier. h2r5-turn-005469 06:28:04.230 --> 06:28:04.870 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: This h2r5-turn-005470 06:28:04.870 --> 06:28:14.050 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: was in the presentation earlier kung saan, taking off from the points of Representative Eli San Fernando, nakita po na the h2r5-turn-005471 06:28:14.050 --> 06:28:15.210 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: economy remains heavily h2r5-turn-005472 06:28:15.210 --> 06:28:21.930 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: reliant on consumption and services, constraining faster, more durable, and inclusive growth. h2r5-turn-005473 06:28:22.450 --> 06:28:26.630 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Na-mention din po ni PBBM sa kanyang SONA that h2r5-turn-005474 06:28:26.630 --> 06:28:34.430 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: there will be a product of the, may product of a 23-member strong and US-led PAC-SILICA initiative, which h2r5-turn-005475 06:28:34.430 --> 06:28:40.190 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: will accelerate industrial competitiveness and revitalize our economy. h2r5-turn-005476 06:28:41.890 --> 06:28:46.490 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So ang tanong po natin ng representation na ito, is h2r5-turn-005477 06:28:46.490 --> 06:28:53.470 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: PAC-SILICA part of the industrial growth strategy, the broadening of sources of growth? Now, h2r5-turn-005478 06:28:57.080 --> 06:29:01.960 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if PAC-SILICA will involve the h2r5-turn-005479 06:29:01.960 --> 06:29:07.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: industries like manufacturing of h2r5-turn-005480 06:29:07.160 --> 06:29:14.247 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: say semiconductors, electronics, high-value manufacturing, h2r5-turn-005481 06:29:14.247 --> 06:29:19.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: then indeed that's what would h2r5-turn-005482 06:29:19.200 --> 06:29:22.380 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: be beneficial and be supportive of our industrialization. h2r5-turn-005483 06:29:22.760 --> 06:29:29.311 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But then again, recall that, as shared h2r5-turn-005484 06:29:29.311 --> 06:29:31.676 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: by our colleagues earlier is h2r5-turn-005485 06:29:31.676 --> 06:29:33.568 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that this is still h2r5-turn-005486 06:29:33.568 --> 06:29:34.514 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: an evolving h2r5-turn-005487 06:29:34.514 --> 06:29:35.460 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: concept, no? h2r5-turn-005489 06:29:36.600 --> 06:29:43.500 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Wala pa namang mga specific industries h2r5-turn-005490 06:29:43.500 --> 06:29:46.960 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: na nandun or companies, h2r5-turn-005491 06:29:47.240 --> 06:29:47.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: no? h2r5-turn-005492 06:29:47.520 --> 06:29:48.920 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But clearly, h2r5-turn-005493 06:29:49.160 --> 06:29:50.640 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if it's about h2r5-turn-005494 06:29:50.640 --> 06:29:53.860 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: setting up an industrial hub that h2r5-turn-005495 06:29:53.860 --> 06:29:54.800 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: will create jobs, h2r5-repair-turn-23394-v3-01 06:29:54.960 --> 06:30:04.100 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that will bring in the kind of technologies that will increase higher value or adding value to our local production, h2r5-repair-turn-23394-v3-02 06:30:04.420 --> 06:30:17.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: then that's what I meant or could be supportive of what I suggested earlier that we need to diversify the sources of growth. h2r5-turn-005502 06:30:17.700 --> 06:30:21.620 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Chair, according to PBBM-SAête it h2r5-turn-005503 06:30:21.620 --> 06:30:34.780 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: will be in part the Luzon Economic Corridor and it will be an advanceduary manufacturing and logistics center in the global AI and technology value chain. So I'm asking these questions because just yesterday, the h2r5-turn-005504 06:30:34.780 --> 06:31:09.680 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: U.S. State Department recognized a leak of internal documents, including a draft letter to be addressed to dozens of countries. And it says that countries must pick sides in the artificial intelligence race between the U.S.-led Paxilica and China. Sabi ng draft, signature of the Paxilica declaration is not merely a membership subscription, but commitment, and that U.S. hopes to limit China's access to resources needed to develop increasingly sophisticated AI to be used for military and economic dominance. Madam Chair, ang tanong ko po, are h2r5-turn-005505 06:31:09.680 --> 06:31:16.700 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: we signing up to be a pawn in an AI development race by competing superpowers? Is that what's at play here, h2r5-turn-005506 06:31:16.880 --> 06:31:19.140 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: or is it quote-unquote development? h2r5-turn-005507 06:31:21.720 --> 06:31:25.340 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: What we are pushing is development for the Philippines. h2r5-turn-005508 06:31:27.960 --> 06:31:31.020 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And whether it is that h2r5-turn-005509 06:31:31.020 --> 06:31:36.740 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is China or that's the U.S. or that's Europe or that's U.K. for so long as they h2r5-turn-005510 06:31:36.740 --> 06:31:39.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: come in and that h2r5-turn-005511 06:31:39.240 --> 06:31:43.220 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is consistent with our interest and h2r5-turn-005512 06:31:43.220 --> 06:31:49.380 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: meeting our objectives. So it is, I h2r5-turn-005513 06:31:49.380 --> 06:31:54.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: define it as creating opportunities for Filipinos. h2r5-turn-005514 06:31:55.000 --> 06:32:01.240 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Then those kind of... Those kind of investment would be encouraged. So h2r5-turn-005515 06:32:01.240 --> 06:32:07.760 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we look at it as a part of our strategy h2r5-turn-005516 06:32:07.760 --> 06:32:09.920 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to industrialize the country. h2r5-turn-005517 06:32:12.000 --> 06:32:12.900 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And h2r5-turn-005518 06:32:12.900 --> 06:32:19.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the bottom line is they improve the mix of our industries h2r5-turn-005519 06:32:19.980 --> 06:32:28.320 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so that we are able to provide high quality jobs. For Filipinos. h2r5-turn-005520 06:32:29.560 --> 06:32:41.300 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Chair, a final manifestation perhaps in response to the answer of our good Secretary. I have to ask, development for whom? Development at what cost? h2r5-turn-005521 06:32:41.480 --> 06:32:41.880 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Because h2r5-turn-005522 06:32:41.880 --> 06:32:49.080 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sa dulo po nito, mukhang kung the United States who leads this initiative will h2r5-turn-005523 06:32:49.080 --> 06:32:54.360 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: be making this kind of ultimatum, pick a side. And sa h2r5-turn-005524 06:32:54.360 --> 06:33:03.680 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: dulo din nito, ang pagtatayo ng hub ay marami pa pong questions kung sino pa ang magbe-bear ng cost na ito—land-wise, environmental-wise, electricity h2r5-turn-005525 06:33:03.680 --> 06:33:35.160 Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: -wise, water-wise, even the rights of indigenous peoples kung paano po ito marirespeto. These are questions and kailangan pong itimbang kung kaya at gusto ba natin at makakaambag po ba sa develop natin or development for others yung pagsama natin sa Paxilica. That's all, Madam Chair. I'm out of time. But nonetheless, these are questions naman nga na pending. Anyway, may mga stances naman po ang representation na ito when it comes to paano pa natin may ensure yung development for the people. Thank you, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005526 06:33:35.800 --> 06:33:37.880 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Representative Renee Co. h2r5-turn-005527 06:33:38.720 --> 06:33:42.560 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Is there anyone else who wishes to interpellate our agencies? h2r5-turn-005528 06:33:44.260 --> 06:33:50.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If not, I'll reserve. I haven't asked any question. h2r5-turn-005529 06:33:53.500 --> 06:33:57.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay, before I ask my questions, Representative Javi Benitez. h2r5-turn-005530 06:34:01.390 --> 06:34:06.470 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Madam Chair, thank you so much. Pasensya lang. Alam ko ang haba ng araw na ito. But gusto h2r5-turn-005531 06:34:06.470 --> 06:34:08.630 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: lang itanong para sa ating h2r5-turn-005532 06:34:08.630 --> 06:34:10.830 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Honorable Secretary of DEPDev. h2r5-turn-005533 06:34:13.250 --> 06:34:15.870 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Honorable Secretary, kapwa h2r5-turn-005534 06:34:15.870 --> 06:34:19.030 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: ako po yung ginawang Technical Working Group Head for the Circular Economy. h2r5-turn-005535 06:34:19.750 --> 06:34:24.010 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And just to give some context that July h2r5-turn-005536 06:34:24.010 --> 06:34:25.930 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and August, we h2r5-turn-005537 06:34:25.930 --> 06:34:30.570 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: felt that the flood water is in our streets and floating in it our own garbage. h2r5-turn-005538 06:34:31.490 --> 06:34:35.930 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So the trash that we... collected sa pumping stations had h2r5-turn-005539 06:34:35.930 --> 06:34:38.330 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 526 tons and h2r5-turn-005540 06:34:38.330 --> 06:34:40.570 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 600 tons of garbage in five days. h2r5-turn-005541 06:34:42.290 --> 06:34:48.430 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So I know we spent billions on flood control and plastic disables, the very pumps meant to save. h2r5-turn-005542 06:34:49.290 --> 06:34:53.590 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And I want to share that truth, that h2r5-turn-005543 06:34:53.590 --> 06:34:56.750 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the Philippines is the world's number one contributor of h2r5-turn-005544 06:34:56.750 --> 06:34:57.850 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: plastic waste to the ocean. h2r5-turn-005545 06:34:59.150 --> 06:34:59.470 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And h2r5-turn-005546 06:35:01.130 --> 06:35:01.970 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: that in h2r5-turn-005547 06:35:01.970 --> 06:35:05.990 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 2021, It was found by Science Advances that h2r5-turn-005548 06:35:05.990 --> 06:35:08.590 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: we account for 36% of h2r5-turn-005549 06:35:08.590 --> 06:35:10.950 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the plastics that rivers carry into the sea. h2r5-turn-005550 06:35:11.090 --> 06:35:14.850 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And that Pasig River is the single most polluting river on the planet, h2r5-turn-005551 06:35:15.010 --> 06:35:20.610 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: about 63,000 tons a year, and 7 of the world's top 10 hour hours. h2r5-turn-005552 06:35:23.650 --> 06:35:28.790 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So this is also money we are throwing away because the World Bank found that we lose upwards to 890 h2r5-turn-005553 06:35:28.790 --> 06:35:34.670 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: million US dollars a year in material value because we discard plastic instead of recycling it. h2r5-turn-005554 06:35:35.290 --> 06:35:37.810 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: We recycled only 28% of our key plastics. h2r5-turn-005555 06:35:38.510 --> 06:35:41.910 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So this representation has a threshold question for the Circular Economy Bill, h2r5-turn-005556 06:35:42.070 --> 06:35:46.410 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: which I again have the honor of being the Technical Working Group Chair. h2r5-turn-005557 06:35:46.870 --> 06:35:49.770 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So which agency should chair the Interagency Council? h2r5-turn-005558 06:35:50.210 --> 06:35:52.550 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: The instinct is DNR, but h2r5-turn-005559 06:35:52.550 --> 06:35:58.730 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the Circular Economy is not a waste program. It's a growth strategy about resource productivity and h2r5-turn-005560 06:35:58.730 --> 06:35:59.950 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: industrial competitiveness. h2r5-turn-005561 06:36:00.290 --> 06:36:04.910 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: If DNR chairs it, we will treat it as just a waste problem. If h2r5-turn-005562 06:36:04.910 --> 06:36:07.410 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: DepDev chairs it, we treat it as an h2r5-turn-005563 06:36:07.410 --> 06:36:09.770 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: economic strategy for h2r5-turn-005564 06:36:09.770 --> 06:36:10.490 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: our country. h2r5-turn-005565 06:36:13.480 --> 06:36:17.100 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So DepDev cannot say that this is not just a mandate. It was h2r5-turn-005566 06:36:17.100 --> 06:36:23.080 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: NEDA, and now DepDev, that wrote the Philippine Action Plan for Sustainable Consumption and Production in 2019. h2r5-turn-005567 06:36:24.940 --> 06:36:31.020 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And it's also DepDev that carries Circular Economy in the Philippine Development Plan under RA 12145. h2r5-turn-005568 06:36:31.200 --> 06:36:36.440 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And its charter now expressly covers long-term strategic planning across the whole economy. h2r5-turn-005569 06:36:36.980 --> 06:36:37.500 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: The h2r5-turn-005570 06:36:37.500 --> 06:36:42.140 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Extended Producer Responsibility Law helps, but it only covers big companies and h2r5-turn-005571 06:36:42.140 --> 06:36:43.120 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: only chases recovery, h2r5-turn-005572 06:36:43.420 --> 06:36:46.680 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: not reduction. And it's not yet a circular economy. h2r5-turn-005573 06:36:47.400 --> 06:36:49.860 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So let me ask on record, Mr. Secretary, h2r5-turn-005574 06:36:50.120 --> 06:36:50.960 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: kasi h2r5-turn-005575 06:36:50.960 --> 06:36:55.560 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: nagpadala po kami every Technical Working Group, apat na beses po. Ang h2r5-turn-005576 06:36:55.560 --> 06:37:00.020 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: lagi pong sinasabi sa amin is ayaw po ng DepDev mag-chair po. And h2r5-turn-005577 06:37:00.020 --> 06:37:02.920 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: nagiging h2r5-turn-005578 06:37:02.920 --> 06:37:05.600 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: yung mga stakeholders namin nagsasabi, h2r5-turn-005579 06:37:06.960 --> 06:37:07.560 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So, h2r5-turn-005580 06:37:07.560 --> 06:37:12.420 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Secretary, will DepDev accept the chairmanship of the Circular Economy Council? h2r5-turn-005581 06:37:12.720 --> 06:37:17.920 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: If not, why not? And what would it take for you to say yes, Mr. Secretary? h2r5-turn-005582 06:37:22.740 --> 06:37:26.100 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: If it is, Mr. h2r5-turn-005583 06:37:27.600 --> 06:37:27.820 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, h2r5-turn-005584 06:37:28.100 --> 06:37:30.420 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if h2r5-turn-005585 06:37:30.420 --> 06:37:31.760 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: it's h2r5-turn-005586 06:37:31.760 --> 06:37:38.720 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mainstream as part of our mandate, h2r5-turn-005587 06:37:42.800 --> 06:37:45.200 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if it has clear h2r5-turn-005588 06:37:45.200 --> 06:37:47.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: implications h2r5-turn-005589 06:37:47.160 --> 06:37:50.540 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for our development h2r5-turn-005590 06:37:50.540 --> 06:37:51.080 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: planning, h2r5-turn-005591 06:37:53.180 --> 06:37:57.040 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: monitoring, and then h2r5-turn-005592 06:37:57.040 --> 06:37:58.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think we could h2r5-turn-005593 06:37:58.000 --> 06:38:00.380 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: consider h2r5-turn-005594 06:38:00.380 --> 06:38:01.220 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that. But I h2r5-turn-005595 06:38:01.220 --> 06:38:04.400 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think over h2r5-turn-005596 06:38:04.400 --> 06:38:10.000 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the last couple of years, h2r5-turn-005597 06:38:10.400 --> 06:38:11.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: there h2r5-turn-005598 06:38:11.160 --> 06:38:16.320 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: have been so many... additional tasks given to the agency without h2r5-turn-005599 06:38:16.320 --> 06:38:17.640 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: corresponding h2r5-turn-005600 06:38:17.640 --> 06:38:21.080 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: support h2r5-turn-005601 06:38:21.080 --> 06:38:24.520 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in terms of manpower, for example. h2r5-turn-005602 06:38:24.980 --> 06:38:27.260 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that's basically our constraint. h2r5-turn-005603 06:38:27.580 --> 06:38:29.820 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We've become the Secretariat for h2r5-turn-005604 06:38:29.820 --> 06:38:32.860 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Trabaho Para sa Bayan, h2r5-turn-005605 06:38:33.620 --> 06:38:33.980 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the h2r5-turn-005606 06:38:33.980 --> 06:38:36.680 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: latest on the Innovation Council, h2r5-turn-005607 06:38:37.380 --> 06:38:37.720 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the... h2r5-turn-005608 06:38:37.720 --> 06:38:39.060 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ang h2r5-turn-005609 06:38:39.060 --> 06:38:39.560 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: dami ho. h2r5-turn-005610 06:38:39.880 --> 06:38:40.600 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Na... h2r5-turn-005611 06:38:42.680 --> 06:38:44.180 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: bagong batas na h2r5-turn-005612 06:38:44.180 --> 06:38:48.160 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: tinatapon h2r5-turn-005613 06:38:48.160 --> 06:38:49.860 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sa amin to h2r5-turn-005614 06:38:49.860 --> 06:38:51.820 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: serve as the Secretariat without h2r5-turn-005615 06:38:51.820 --> 06:38:56.560 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: complementary support staff h2r5-turn-005616 06:38:56.560 --> 06:38:58.020 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: or structure. h2r5-turn-005617 06:38:58.480 --> 06:39:01.140 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: If you give us, if you put in that law, h2r5-turn-005618 06:39:02.720 --> 06:39:05.580 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the complementary support h2r5-turn-005619 06:39:05.580 --> 06:39:06.080 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: staff, h2r5-turn-005620 06:39:07.700 --> 06:39:13.080 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: then it would be feasible for us to h2r5-turn-005621 06:39:13.080 --> 06:39:15.640 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: absorb that responsibility, h2r5-turn-005622 06:39:16.420 --> 06:39:17.420 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair. h2r5-turn-005623 06:39:18.920 --> 06:39:21.800 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Madam Chair, nakita po natin ang h2r5-turn-005624 06:39:21.800 --> 06:39:24.540 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: pwedeng gawin na pwede h2r5-turn-005625 06:39:24.540 --> 06:39:42.580 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: nating... ang ating mga batas, which is ang EPR, PENCAS, circular economy, at alam ko mayroon ding carbon credits na kailangan pong i-synthesize. So with that, Madam Chair, we will ensure that the bill will... include... h2r5-turn-005627 06:39:42.580 --> 06:39:43.900 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: that... h2r5-turn-005628 06:39:43.900 --> 06:40:00.740 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: I'm synthesizing all of this together but also requiring that the bill be funding few levels of plantilla positions for the Circular Economy Council. So with that, maraming salamat po, Madam Chair. And sana h2r5-turn-005629 06:40:00.740 --> 06:40:10.660 Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: po ang ating mga colleagues ay mag-focus din dito dahil tayo ay number one sa ating pag-pollute ng plastic sa buong mundo. Thank you. h2r5-turn-005630 06:40:15.200 --> 06:40:43.720 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Representative Javi Benitez. If you would allow me to ask questions, I haven't asked questions all day. So I just want to pose a few questions to the DBCC family. And one of the main intentions of doing the DBCC is for us to be able to check whether the assumptions underlying the sources of financing that feed into the BESF are sound. So medyo doon lang po ako magfo-focus in the discussion. h2r5-turn-005631 06:40:44.120 --> 06:40:48.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So... I would like to pose the question whether h2r5-turn-005632 06:40:48.740 --> 06:41:05.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the DBM family or the DOF family would answer my question. Just going back to the 2026 BESF, may I ask, just to validate, what was the underlying assumption in terms of the collections? h2r5-turn-005633 06:41:07.300 --> 06:41:08.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the revenues? h2r5-turn-005634 06:41:09.920 --> 06:41:16.580 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sorry, I'm setting the context lang for my question for the 2026 BESF. So h2r5-turn-005635 06:41:22.310 --> 06:41:30.710 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: out of the 6.8 trillion that was in the 2026 budget h2r5-turn-005636 06:41:30.710 --> 06:41:32.430 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or NEP, what h2r5-turn-005637 06:41:32.430 --> 06:41:33.310 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: proportion of that h2r5-turn-005638 06:41:33.660 --> 06:41:36.470 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would come from collections as h2r5-turn-005639 06:41:39.990 --> 06:41:41.190 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a nominal value? h2r5-turn-005640 06:41:44.000 --> 06:41:53.040 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, for the revenues for 2026, the emerging revenue is 4.8 trillion pesos for this year. h2r5-turn-005641 06:41:53.540 --> 06:41:54.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For the h2r5-turn-005642 06:41:54.780 --> 06:42:01.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: BESF? So, going back to the 2026 BESF, the 4.8 is actually not— h2r5-turn-005643 06:42:01.620 --> 06:42:06.300 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: For the 2026 BESF, it is 4.983. h2r5-turn-005644 06:42:06.520 --> 06:42:21.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There you go. Yeah. That's the figure that I have here. So may I, for the record, ask the DOF family, what is the actual—sorry, not yet actual—but what is the revised projection for the collections in 2026? h2r5-turn-005645 06:42:22.660 --> 06:42:27.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in effect, that would feed into your projections for the 2027 BESF? h2r5-turn-005646 06:42:27.040 --> 06:42:33.500 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: For 2026, based on the 2027 BESF document submitted to the h2r5-turn-005647 06:42:33.500 --> 06:42:37.020 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: committee, it's 4.807 trillion h2r5-turn-005648 06:42:37.020 --> 06:42:38.520 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: pesos for this year. h2r5-turn-005649 06:42:38.740 --> 06:42:45.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Usec. Karlo. I use that to set the context for my questioning. Because based h2r5-turn-005650 06:42:45.980 --> 06:42:57.610 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: off that, there's roughly 180 billion in shortfall between the assumed level of collections in the 2026 BASF. And the projected h2r5-turn-005651 06:42:57.610 --> 06:43:10.690 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actual, projected actual? Projected collections for 2026. So yun po siguro yung tanong ko. Because I believe h2r5-turn-005652 06:43:10.690 --> 06:43:20.270 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this has been asked by one of my colleagues before. But that 180 billion peso shortfall, is that primarily driven by, I h2r5-turn-005653 06:43:20.270 --> 06:43:28.870 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: guess, which lever? Is it tax revenues? Non-tax revenues? Where does the shortfall lie? What was the main driver for the 180 billion shortfall? h2r5-turn-005654 06:43:31.360 --> 06:43:40.700 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, it's mainly from the tax revenues, which is highly correlated to the macro assumptions, macroeconomic assumptions. Is h2r5-turn-005655 06:43:40.700 --> 06:43:55.620 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it correct? I would assume because you have different components within your revenue collections, given that it's tied with the macroeconomic assumptions, the current circumstances, we're looking at a dip in your consumption driven. Taxes. h2r5-turn-005656 06:43:56.900 --> 06:44:03.860 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Yes, Madam Chair. So just to provide some context, ginawa po natin yung ating NEP last year, h2r5-turn-005657 06:44:04.000 --> 06:44:05.680 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: basically June. h2r5-turn-005658 06:44:06.300 --> 06:44:10.660 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: So wala pa po yung mga crisis na dinadanas po natin ngayon. Kaya po, h2r5-turn-005659 06:44:10.760 --> 06:44:18.460 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: when we reviewed the macro assumption, there were some revisions, and because of those revisions, bumaba rin po yung projected revenues for the year. h2r5-turn-005660 06:44:19.020 --> 06:44:23.764 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Usec. Karlo. May I ask, out of the 180 billion shortfall, what is the biggest contributor to the shortfall? h2r5-turn-005661 06:44:23.764 --> 06:44:24.007 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we h2r5-turn-005662 06:44:24.007 --> 06:44:25.680 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: can do to reduce the h2r5-turn-005663 06:44:25.680 --> 06:44:27.340 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: What shortfall? is the biggest h2r5-turn-005664 06:44:27.340 --> 06:44:29.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: contributor to the shortfall? Among h2r5-turn-005665 06:44:29.860 --> 06:44:44.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the different types of sources, tax revenues, non-tax revenues, within tax revenues, are we looking at government remittances, sorry, government expenditure related revenues or taxes, h2r5-turn-005666 06:44:44.500 --> 06:44:45.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: VAT? h2r5-turn-005667 06:44:47.370 --> 06:44:51.430 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: What is the biggest contributor to that 180 billion shortfall? h2r5-turn-005668 06:44:54.750 --> 06:45:02.010 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, one of the biggest contributor in the decline in tax revenue, are the consumption taxes. One h2r5-turn-005669 06:45:02.010 --> 06:45:03.530 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: of which will be the VAT, h2r5-turn-005670 06:45:03.730 --> 06:45:11.930 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: wherein if you take a look, the BSF 2026 and the BSF 2027, that's around 175 billion h2r5-turn-005671 06:45:11.930 --> 06:45:15.590 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: shortfall compared to what was submitted last year. h2r5-turn-005672 06:45:15.910 --> 06:45:22.250 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: So those are all related to consumption taxes and all related to macro economic assumptions. h2r5-turn-005673 06:45:22.910 --> 06:45:53.970 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Usec. Karlo. Again, it's as expected, given the fuel crisis h2r5-turn-005674 06:45:53.970 --> 06:45:56.350 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: context and situation. h2r5-turn-005675 06:45:58.570 --> 06:46:08.390 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nakikita naman po natin na mayroong ganong real possibility even until 2027 so I just would like to understand from the DBCC family how h2r5-turn-005676 06:46:08.390 --> 06:46:16.470 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that sort of context, that macroeconomic context as well as our experience in a h2r5-turn-005677 06:46:16.470 --> 06:46:33.330 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: very sizable shortfall between the 2026 target, sorry 2026 estimate and yung actual fed into how you develop the assumptions for the 2027 BSF. So I'm looking at the BSF here h2r5-turn-005678 06:46:36.370 --> 06:46:37.130 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so h2r5-turn-005679 06:46:37.130 --> 06:46:48.890 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is it correct that for the 2027 BSF the assumed, sorry the projected total revenues is 5.2 trillion h2r5-turn-005680 06:46:48.890 --> 06:46:49.270 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pesos? h2r5-turn-005681 06:46:49.710 --> 06:46:51.310 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Yes Madam Chair, you're correct. h2r5-turn-005682 06:46:51.930 --> 06:47:08.370 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Based off your presentation earlier today, the 5.2 trillion pesos, if you compare it to the 4.8 trillion pesos as is the revised target for 2026, represents an 8.3 h2r5-turn-005683 06:47:08.670 --> 06:47:10.350 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: growth. Is that correct? h2r5-turn-005684 06:47:12.410 --> 06:47:15.890 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa ano po? In your presentation earlier today. h2r5-turn-005685 06:47:18.110 --> 06:47:21.990 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Yes Madam Chair, you're correct. 8.3 growth based h2r5-turn-005686 06:47:21.990 --> 06:47:23.850 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: on the 4.8 trillion revenues. h2r5-turn-005687 06:47:24.390 --> 06:47:24.870 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you. h2r5-turn-005688 06:47:25.910 --> 06:47:37.190 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So looking at the components of that 5.2 trillion, sorry mahihimay lang ako ng konti. I'm seeing here that there is an assumption that there would be a h2r5-turn-005689 06:47:38.970 --> 06:47:53.730 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 100, roughly 180 billion increase in the taxes on domestic goods and services, which was the main driver for the shortfall for 2026. So may I know, given that we have h2r5-turn-005690 06:47:53.730 --> 06:48:12.450 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: already seen that in 2026, that was the main driver of the shortfall, why is it that in 2000, that when we made the, sorry, when you made the projections for the 5.2 trillion, why did we assume that taxes on domestic goods and services would increase by 180 billion? h2r5-turn-005691 06:48:13.550 --> 06:48:15.170 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'm just doing a h2r5-turn-005692 06:48:16.110 --> 06:48:17.410 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: what do you, like a h2r5-turn-005693 06:48:18.030 --> 06:48:19.010 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: what's the term? h2r5-turn-005694 06:48:21.110 --> 06:48:26.750 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Stress test on the levers that feed into the 5.2 trillion assumption. h2r5-turn-005695 06:48:27.830 --> 06:48:29.010 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, h2r5-turn-005696 06:48:29.850 --> 06:48:34.810 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: our data shows that for instance for VAT, if you compare the h2r5-turn-005697 06:48:34.810 --> 06:48:37.850 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: 2027 projection h2r5-turn-005698 06:48:37.850 --> 06:48:44.690 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: today compared to last year, it's around 243 billion lower. h2r5-turn-005699 06:48:46.170 --> 06:48:55.490 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: So, in terms of sales taxes, VAT, and licenses, basically the consumption taxes, it's actually 250 billion lower compared h2r5-turn-005700 06:48:55.490 --> 06:48:58.550 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: to the BSF 2026 numbers. h2r5-turn-005701 06:49:00.410 --> 06:49:01.550 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, we can h2r5-turn-005702 06:49:01.550 --> 06:49:02.850 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: submit this. h2r5-turn-005703 06:49:03.530 --> 06:49:05.990 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'd like to refer to page h2r5-turn-005704 06:49:05.990 --> 06:49:08.230 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 463 of the BSF. h2r5-turn-005705 06:49:08.530 --> 06:49:10.190 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in 2026, h2r5-turn-005706 06:49:11.270 --> 06:49:20.270 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the taxes of domestic goods and services totaled to in the 2026 program totaled to 1.57 trillion. h2r5-turn-005707 06:49:20.790 --> 06:49:23.390 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But in the 2027 projection, h2r5-turn-005708 06:49:24.230 --> 06:49:24.650 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the h2r5-turn-005709 06:49:24.650 --> 06:49:30.670 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: assumption built in is that taxes on domestic goods and services would be 1.75 trillion. h2r5-turn-005710 06:49:31.030 --> 06:49:34.030 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, that represents a 180 billion increase. h2r5-turn-005711 06:49:34.930 --> 06:49:56.910 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun lang siguro yung gusto kong i-challenge at i-stress test if we've already seen in 2026 that given the macroeconomic context and situation, may shortfall tayo ng 2026. Why is it that we're assuming that there would be a 180 billion increase? Come 2027? h2r5-turn-005712 06:49:58.630 --> 06:50:17.230 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, I have to check your numbers. But based on what I have right now, for instance, for tax revenue, given the lower base in 2026, tax revenue will be short by around 240 billion compared to the BSF 2026 h2r5-turn-005713 06:50:18.070 --> 06:50:18.770 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: submission. h2r5-turn-005714 06:50:19.330 --> 06:50:21.290 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: This is for 2027. h2r5-turn-005715 06:50:22.640 --> 06:50:32.990 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: And again, based on our data, for instance, VAT is lower by around 243 billion in 2027. This is due to the changes in the macro assumptions plus h2r5-turn-005716 06:50:32.990 --> 06:50:35.170 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: the base effect in 2026. h2r5-turn-005717 06:50:35.810 --> 06:50:39.090 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Usec. Karlo, sorry, it's table C1 in h2r5-turn-005718 06:50:39.090 --> 06:50:40.530 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the BSF page h2r5-turn-005719 06:50:40.530 --> 06:50:41.670 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 463. h2r5-turn-005720 06:50:45.240 --> 06:50:52.220 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It shows the breakdown of the different components that total 5.2 trillion pesos. h2r5-turn-005721 06:50:53.580 --> 06:51:10.380 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun siguro, yun yung malaking difference because I'm trying to see how it would be, be possible to increase total revenues from 4.8 trillion to 5.2 trillion. So that's a 400 billion peso increase. So I'm trying to see where we're h2r5-turn-005722 06:51:10.380 --> 06:51:12.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: assuming the growth would come from. h2r5-turn-005723 06:51:13.320 --> 06:51:16.960 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, I think this is the year-on-year change. h2r5-turn-005724 06:51:17.380 --> 06:51:19.720 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: So for instance, for h2r5-turn-005725 06:51:21.040 --> 06:51:24.640 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: 2026, it is projected to be at 1.574 h2r5-turn-005726 06:51:25.160 --> 06:51:25.800 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: trillion. h2r5-turn-005727 06:51:26.720 --> 06:51:37.440 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: And in 2027, it will grow to 1.751 trillion. This is because you have a nominal growth, nominal GDP growth and other macro assumptions. So there will be h2r5-turn-005728 06:51:38.300 --> 06:51:47.600 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: the usual growth in collection from these items. But if you compare it to the BSF 2026 numbers, it h2r5-turn-005729 06:51:47.600 --> 06:51:48.340 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: should be lower. h2r5-turn-005730 06:51:51.470 --> 06:52:03.270 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So despite the situation, despite the updated projections and assumptions, we're still expecting 180 billion increase. In taxes on domestic goods and services? h2r5-turn-005731 06:52:03.670 --> 06:52:11.450 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Yes, Madam Chair, because in terms of nominal GDP that came from the debt-debt assumption, we will still be growing by h2r5-turn-005732 06:52:13.070 --> 06:52:15.790 DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: around 9 in 2027. h2r5-turn-005733 06:52:19.810 --> 06:52:25.510 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay. So, sorry, it's like ours. So it's regardless of what h2r5-turn-005734 06:52:25.510 --> 06:52:29.250 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: happens with all the external volatilities, it's h2r5-turn-005735 06:52:29.250 --> 06:52:30.850 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: still going to be the same projection. h2r5-turn-005736 06:52:31.890 --> 06:52:32.510 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I h2r5-turn-005737 06:52:32.510 --> 06:52:33.030 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: guess h2r5-turn-005738 06:52:33.030 --> 06:52:37.590 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this is what is being referred to is in nominal terms, right? h2r5-turn-005739 06:52:37.830 --> 06:52:39.150 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Is it in nominal terms? In nominal h2r5-turn-005740 06:52:39.150 --> 06:52:43.590 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: terms, yeah. The projections and the revenue are in nominal terms. The h2r5-turn-005741 06:52:43.590 --> 06:52:45.690 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: projection and growth are in real terms. h2r5-turn-005742 06:52:46.310 --> 06:52:46.870 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Percentage. h2r5-turn-005743 06:52:48.510 --> 06:52:50.630 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Now, I think that happens because h2r5-turn-005744 06:52:52.210 --> 06:52:54.850 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in 2026, we're assuming and the h2r5-turn-005745 06:52:56.130 --> 06:52:58.970 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: revenue forecast is partly h2r5-turn-005746 06:53:00.510 --> 06:53:08.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: based on the assumption that the economy for 2026 will grow only at 3.5 to 4.5% in real terms. h2r5-turn-005747 06:53:08.650 --> 06:53:11.770 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Whereas, we are assuming that for 2027, h2r5-turn-005748 06:53:12.470 --> 06:53:14.610 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our economy will grow at h2r5-turn-005749 06:53:14.610 --> 06:53:17.570 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 5 to 6 in real terms. In nominal terms, h2r5-turn-005750 06:53:17.970 --> 06:53:21.210 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you add another 5 or 6 for inflation to that. So that's h2r5-turn-005751 06:53:21.210 --> 06:53:23.130 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: more or less like a 10 h2r5-turn-005752 06:53:23.410 --> 06:53:23.870 DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: increase. h2r5-turn-005753 06:53:26.470 --> 06:53:41.190 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'm looking at the slide again from earlier today. So if you would, that's actually consistent with what SecRC said. So, if you look at the growth in tax revenues, revenues alone, that's a 9.21 increase between 2027 and 2026. So, h2r5-turn-005754 06:53:41.210 --> 06:53:41.790 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: okay. h2r5-turn-005755 06:53:43.070 --> 06:53:48.610 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, let's move to another component, which is the privatization revenues. h2r5-turn-005756 06:53:50.290 --> 06:53:59.050 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, the assumption built into the 2027 projection is that there would be 101.5 billion in h2r5-turn-005757 06:53:59.050 --> 06:54:09.410 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: privatization revenues. Which, if you would look at it historically, in 2025, the actual revenues only stand at 2 h2r5-turn-005758 06:54:09.410 --> 06:54:09.830 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: billion. h2r5-turn-005759 06:54:10.130 --> 06:54:18.790 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In 2026, 38 billion. Then, in 2027, 101.5 billion. So, again, that is a big h2r5-turn-005760 06:54:20.270 --> 06:54:28.570 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: contributor to the 400 billion increase. So, I would just like to ask our DOF family as to where h2r5-turn-005761 06:54:28.570 --> 06:54:29.670 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that assumption came from. h2r5-turn-005762 06:54:35.260 --> 06:54:39.680 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We have several privatization efforts that are ongoing, h2r5-turn-005763 06:54:39.980 --> 06:54:44.120 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: probably the most publicized in the media recently, h2r5-turn-005764 06:54:44.380 --> 06:54:44.940 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: SEMIRARA. h2r5-turn-005765 06:54:45.860 --> 06:54:50.760 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We also have the privatization of the CBK of h2r5-turn-005766 06:54:50.760 --> 06:54:53.000 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 36 billion that we h2r5-turn-005767 06:54:53.840 --> 06:54:55.560 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: privatized actually in h2r5-turn-005768 06:54:55.560 --> 06:54:58.440 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: previous years, but we will only get the money next year. h2r5-turn-005769 06:54:58.940 --> 06:55:06.260 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, other than 100, we're going to get 36 from CBK, and then there's the SEMIRARA, as well as other projects that we are looking at. h2r5-turn-005770 06:55:07.520 --> 06:55:14.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, Sekdek, just, wanted to test it because this is the highest it's ever been. This is three times the actual h2r5-turn-005771 06:55:16.060 --> 06:55:40.760 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: privatization revenues in previous years. So, medyo staggering looking at the assumptions and looking at the historical revenues from privatization. Medyo stand out po talaga yung 101 billion. So, we just wanted to test whether, again, I'm just doing this stress test because we all know what happens when there's a shortfall between the sources of financing as h2r5-turn-005772 06:55:42.180 --> 06:55:56.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: what you call this, as what feeds into the BSF versus the actual. Nakakaroon po ng cash management issues come implementation time. So, I'm just stress testing the different assumptions that feed into the BSF sources of financing. h2r5-turn-005773 06:55:59.460 --> 06:56:00.060 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sekdek? h2r5-turn-005774 06:56:00.340 --> 06:56:00.940 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'm h2r5-turn-005775 06:56:00.940 --> 06:56:03.180 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: going to say, totally share your sentiment. h2r5-turn-005776 06:56:03.800 --> 06:56:05.600 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The pressure is on me when h2r5-turn-005777 06:56:06.900 --> 06:56:09.840 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 100 billion was put in the privatization. h2r5-turn-005778 06:56:11.160 --> 06:56:13.180 DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, I'm on your side. h2r5-turn-005779 06:56:15.400 --> 06:57:00.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Sec. Deck. Actually, I also want to, because the problem is, iyon po kasi talaga iyong nangyari. When there's, for example, in 2026, a 180 billion shortfall between what was put into the BESF and what is projected to be collected this year, ang hirap po i-bridge noong gap. So, I know it's a joint headache for both the DOF and the DBM on how to manage it from a cash management standpoint. So, I just want to make sure po that as much as possible, we would not have that sort of shortfall in the 2027 budget. So, please bear with me po. Sorry, Sec. I just wanted to do h2r5-turn-005780 06:57:00.240 --> 06:57:17.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a stress test because I was going through scrutinizing the components of the BSF. So, yun lang po. Again, I also want to make sure na hindi po sasakit ang ulo ni SekDec at saka ni SekKim come 2027 once we implement this budget. But, yeah, h2r5-turn-005781 06:57:17.940 --> 06:57:20.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually that actually h2r5-turn-005782 06:57:21.860 --> 06:57:31.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: suffices for me. Thank you for explaining to me that it's tied to the nominal growth, that growth rate of the GDP as projected by the h2r5-turn-005783 06:57:32.340 --> 06:57:33.480 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: DBCC. So, h2r5-turn-005784 06:57:33.500 --> 06:57:34.360 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: okay. h2r5-turn-005785 06:57:35.540 --> 06:57:46.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Next question. Sorry po. Sek, Kim, just wanted to ask, given that, given our experience in the 2026 budget where there is that huge h2r5-turn-005786 06:57:46.420 --> 06:57:53.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shortfall, again, 180 billion, I keep on repeating that, do we have contingencies built into h2r5-turn-005787 06:57:53.900 --> 06:57:55.800 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the budget to be able to h2r5-turn-005788 06:57:56.920 --> 06:58:03.240 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: respond quickly to extraordinary circumstances? For example, this year, it's h2r5-turn-005789 06:58:03.240 --> 06:58:15.040 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the fuel crisis. And meron pang upcoming na sana hindi na naman talaga mangyari sa awan na Diyos. But, if the El Nino does materialize, that would require h2r5-turn-005790 06:58:16.900 --> 06:58:24.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: resources that were not planned for. We do have the NDRM, we have the NDRRMF, we have contingency funds. But, h2r5-turn-005791 06:58:24.980 --> 06:58:30.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I guess the contingency funds that were built into the 2026 budget were not, h2r5-turn-005792 06:58:30.980 --> 06:58:38.980 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we weren't anticipating this much of an external shock. So, the question is, for the 2020, 27 budget, h2r5-turn-005793 06:58:39.960 --> 06:58:43.280 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: do we have those contingencies built into the NEP? h2r5-turn-005794 06:58:44.380 --> 06:58:48.820 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, aside from the lump sums that you have mentioned, the number one for h2r5-turn-005795 06:58:48.820 --> 06:59:07.140 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: El Niño, it's something that we are also preparing for as early as now. Under UPLIFT, there are funds coming out from savings generated from NBC 602-603 that are actually intended for DA in preparation for El Niño, at least in anticipation. h2r5-turn-005796 06:59:07.760 --> 06:59:10.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, in fact, we have some h2r5-turn-005797 06:59:10.240 --> 06:59:20.240 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allotment releases for them to already start assisting farmers in preparation for the upcoming El Niño. So, that's something that we are h2r5-turn-005798 06:59:20.240 --> 06:59:23.440 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: taking action as early as now. h2r5-turn-005799 06:59:23.780 --> 06:59:31.700 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If and when there is, of course, we don't want another oil crisis to happen, what we always say is that, number one, h2r5-turn-005800 06:59:31.860 --> 06:59:55.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it's the very same line items of expenditures of each of the agencies that we are utilizing right now. It's not an extraordinary new item. So, those items are actually flexible to respond if needed. So, more of baka kailangan lang natin i-frontload, mag-prioritize ng beneficiaries among many others. But, of course, we still have that option na h2r5-turn-005801 06:59:55.540 --> 06:59:59.540 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: just like what we did under NBC 602-603, h2r5-turn-005802 06:59:59.660 --> 07:00:15.720 Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we can also reprioritize during budget execution, probably defer some other activities, if there is a need to prioritize some other interventions to assist those who are most vulnerable or those who need it the most. h2r5-turn-005803 07:00:16.860 --> 07:00:26.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Sec. Kim. Sorry, just to pose a question to Ma'am Sharon. Sorry po. And Sec. Deck, so in cases like that, like when I h2r5-turn-005804 07:00:26.020 --> 07:00:28.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: don't know whether— h2r5-turn-005805 07:00:29.600 --> 07:00:30.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi, okay lang. Sige. h2r5-turn-005806 07:00:31.620 --> 07:01:16.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sorry. I've been working with the DOF for a long time, in their budget and with all the ways and means measures. So, sige. I won't ask it anymore. But siguro iyon lang, we need to be able to balance lang. In cases where there are shortfalls, di ba, we need to strike the balance between the need to borrow to fill the gap versus just managing it, seeing what we can defer. So, iyon lang naman. I know we have the best economic team to be able to do that. But again, for the BESF—sorry, for the 2027 budget—sana as much as possible, we don't have that huge, h2r5-turn-005807 07:01:16.480 --> 07:01:31.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that big of a shortfall as is the case for 2026. So, I just wanted to make sure that the assumptions are sound and also we have contingencies built in place if that does happen. h2r5-turn-005808 07:01:32.360 --> 07:01:32.960 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay. h2r5-turn-005809 07:01:34.580 --> 07:01:35.180 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yeah. h2r5-turn-005810 07:01:35.840 --> 07:01:40.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Wala na yung questions, I guess. I feel like tayo na lang yung h2r5-turn-005811 07:01:40.580 --> 07:01:51.020 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I believe that work has been suspended. For six hours already since we, is it, or more. So, again, h2r5-turn-005812 07:01:51.240 --> 07:01:51.660 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ha? h2r5-turn-005813 07:01:53.240 --> 07:01:58.420 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nine hours? Twelve nun ba nag-suspend? So, 9 a.m.? h2r5-turn-005814 07:01:58.420 --> 07:02:05.200 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, we've been working for 12 hours after the suspension was announced. So, again, h2r5-turn-005815 07:02:05.360 --> 07:02:07.740 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I would like to take h2r5-turn-005816 07:02:07.740 --> 07:02:52.120 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this opportunity to express our gratitude to our DBCC family. Of course, to the DEPDev family headed by our Honorable Secretary Arsenio Balisacan; to our DBM family headed by Secretary Kim Robert de Leon; to our DOF family headed by Secretary Frederick Go; to our BSP family headed by Governor Eli Remolona. I really appreciate him taking the time earlier today. Thank you to everyone for staying for 12 more hours after the work suspension was announced. And thank you for answering all the queries of our h2r5-turn-005817 07:02:52.120 --> 07:03:07.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleagues in the House. That was really helpful in helping us understand the macroeconomic assumptions that fed into the development of the 2027 National Expenditure Program. So, excited na nagpa-pack up na lahat? h2r5-turn-005818 07:03:08.880 --> 07:03:11.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sure kayo wala na kaming tanong? h2r5-turn-005819 07:03:11.780 --> 07:03:13.780 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo ang dami pa namin dito. h2r5-turn-005820 07:03:15.040 --> 07:03:59.920 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We would also like to thank, of course, our colleagues in the House for your very valuable questions. It was very helpful for all of the other members for us to be able to understand the questions, the reservations with regard to the budget. And ito pa lang naman pa, panimula pa lang po natin ito. This is the first day of two months of budget deliberations for the House. And we thank our partners in the Executive Branch. We thank our colleagues in the House for making this briefing of the DBCC a very fruitful one for everyone. So, before we end, h2r5-turn-005821 07:04:00.160 --> 07:04:16.820 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we need to make a motion to formally terminate the DBCC briefing, kasi pag hindi po natin ginawa ito, babalik pa tayo sa mga susunod na araw. So, with that, may I request Senior Vice Chair Abet Garcia to please give the necessary motion. h2r5-turn-005822 07:04:17.040 --> 07:04:20.420 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, may h2r5-turn-005823 07:04:20.420 --> 07:04:23.520 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I move that we terminate the budget briefing of h2r5-turn-005824 07:04:23.520 --> 07:04:25.060 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the DBCC. h2r5-turn-005825 07:04:25.320 --> 07:04:26.700 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I so move, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005826 07:04:26.880 --> 07:04:27.500 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Any second? h2r5-turn-005827 07:04:28.300 --> 07:04:28.880 Committee participant (seconding member): Second. h2r5-turn-005828 07:04:31.020 --> 07:04:48.520 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There is—nakangiti na kayo lahat. Hindi pa ako nag-rule. But ayan, there is a motion to terminate the budget briefing of the Development Budget Coordination Committee, or the DBCC. It has been duly seconded. The motion is carried. h2r5-turn-005829 07:04:49.820 --> 07:04:50.860 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, po. h2r5-turn-005830 07:04:54.320 --> 07:04:57.080 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: One more. Last motion na po. We promise. h2r5-turn-005831 07:04:57.900 --> 07:04:59.940 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Madam Chair, I h2r5-turn-005832 07:04:59.940 --> 07:05:05.540 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: move that we suspend the committee proceedings and resume on August 24, h2r5-turn-005833 07:05:05.980 --> 07:05:08.340 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: 2026, 9 a.m. h2r5-turn-005834 07:05:08.660 --> 07:05:09.980 Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I so move, Madam Chair. h2r5-turn-005835 07:05:10.300 --> 07:05:30.900 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And just to clarify po, there were committee briefings that were originally scheduled for tomorrow, but in light of the work suspension because of the inclement weather, we will be rescheduling the hearings to next Monday, August 24. So, for the— h2r5-turn-005836 07:05:32.700 --> 07:05:38.440 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, so that would be... How many days? Monday pa lang ba ngayon? Hindi ko na alam. h2r5-turn-005837 07:05:38.980 --> 07:05:40.000 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Monday, yes. h2r5-turn-005838 07:05:40.740 --> 07:05:41.300 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay. h2r5-turn-005839 07:05:41.620 --> 07:05:54.140 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, there is a motion to suspend the committee proceedings and resume... August 24, 2026, 9 o'clock in the morning. It has been duly seconded. The motion is carried. h2r5-turn-005840 07:05:55.940 --> 07:06:12.600 Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po, and please take care and stay safe on your way home. Medyo marami pa daw pong baha sa mga kalsada. So please do take care on your way home. And again, we truly appreciate your presence here. Thank you. Thank you very much po.