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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: budget ninyo puro press release, puro cuts.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So sa pinakasimpleng paraan po Madam Chair, kung

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pwede po bang ipaliwanag ng DBM, papaano nasasabi na makatao at dapat maging makatao ang budget natin for 2027?

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Second.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, Your Honor,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: patungkol

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po doon sa ating budget

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allocation for social sector. Nabanggit po natin kanina na ito pa rin po ang nananatiling

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pinakamataas na sektor sa ating budget. Budget, bagamat kung titignan po natin,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mayroon pong mga departments na nominally ay kinakitaan po natin ng pagbaba,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: patulad ng DepEd, DOH, at DSWD.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po ay alinsunod doon po sa ating consideration sa kanilang mga ongoing implementation ng

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanilang 2026 GAA.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kabilang na nga po dyan, ang malaking bahagi po halimbawa sa Department of Education ay

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung kanila pong astil. Hindi pa nagagamit na pondo para sa mga classroom.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya kasama po doon sa ating consideration, dahil alam po natin na ito ay

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ipagpapatuloy pa nila hanggang 2027,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nagkaroon po tayo ng evaluation kung magkano lang po muna sa classroom, pero definitely hindi po zero yung classroom provision for 2027.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At isang factor nga din po dyan,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dahil hindi naman po natin idinadagdag doon sa comparison ng DepEd budget for instance, yung

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nabanggit ko po kanina na nakalatag na PPP project for

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: construction of classroom building. So ito po ay nakalatag din na i-implement sa 2027. So

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung atin pong susumahin at isasama po ito sa equation,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay karagdagan pa rin po ito sa DepEd budget.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Patungkol po sa DOH, gayon din po sa DA,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun pong bahagi ng pagbaba ng kanilang budget ay attributable.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Doon din po sa kanilang mga infrastructure. Ito po ang mga infrastructure projects na under 2026,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: katulad po ng kanilang HFEP ng DOH at ng

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: farm-to-market roads ng DA na

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: during the time that the budget was being prepared ay hindi pa nila nasisimulang i-implement.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So the DBM has decided na i-maintain yung kanilang level

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kahalintulad nung level ng HFEP at DA sa 2026 NEP dahil

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po batid natin na yung kanilang implementasyon ng HFEP at DOH

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa 2026 NEP. So yung plan sa

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Farm-to-Market Road ay magsi-spillover hanggang sa 2027. Pero patungkol po doon sa ating

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mga kaguruan, sa ating mga health workers, buo po yung ating provisions,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kabilang na po dyan yung patuloy na pag-create ng mga additional positions,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: both teaching and non-teaching, yung ating expanded career progression,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: gayon din po yung ating health workforce allocation ay nananatili pong buo po ang ating supporta po dyan.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, your honor, yung nominal decrease po on the

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of these social departments are primarily attributable to the continuing

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allocation po nila galing sa 2026. Dahil hindi pa nga po nila ito nasisimulan,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: inaasahan po natin na mag-spill over po ito

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hanggang sa 2027.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Patungkol po doon sa budget ng ating mga state universities and colleges, talaga

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: naman po yung ating

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: atensyon ay nandyan. In fact, kung babalikan po natin, Madam Chair, your honor,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung ating top 10 departments for this year,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: if you may have noticed, sabi ko nga po sa aking mga kasama sa DBM, this might be

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the first, if not the few times, that

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education is reflected separately from basic education.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Pinapakita lang po nito na

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi po natin kinailangang ilamp yung totals ng education sector. Para lang masabi natin na

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ito ay yung may pinakamataas na alokasyon sa GAA. So ibig sabihin, basic education itself,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: malaki po yung ibinuhos natin dyan,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dagdag pa dito yung ating higher education. At katulad po kanina, nung sinasabi nating example,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: minsan po kasi hindi lang yung GAA or NEP allocation yung mahalagang tignan. Sa

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education po kasi, meron tayong tinatawag na special account in the general fund na

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ginagamit natin o yung HEDF para pang suporta, karagdagang suporta sa

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ating mga HUCs and colleges. Kaya nga po, we would like to share to the committee rin po na sa

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tulong po ng GAA ng 2026 na naipasa.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: In fact, we have already released yun pong SARO

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: para po masettle na natin yung free

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education arrears na naipo natin for the last three academic years. We

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: would like to report to Congress na nai-release na po namin ang SARO nito. Sa

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Commission on Higher Education,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kaya po makakaasa po yung ating mga state universities and colleges na

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: matatanggap na po nila ito mula sa CHED. Hindi lamang po ito galing sa GAA dahil

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bahagi po nung nirelease natin na halos

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 10 billion pesos na pambayad ng arrears natin sa FHE ay

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nanggaling po dun sa special account na Higher

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Education Trust Fund. So ito po ay on top of what was allocated into

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the GAA. Ito po tayo ay masasabi nating

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nagbayad ng utang na tatlong taon po sa ating mga state universities and colleges.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po ay karagdagan na kanila pong magagamit, hindi lang po hanggang December,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kundi magpapatuloy po ito hanggang 2027 para

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po matustusan yung kanilang mga pangangailangan sa operation ng mga state universities and colleges,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: makapagdagdag ng additional na infrastructure,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: academic buildings, laboratories, and equipment.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So ito pong 10 billion. Na atin pong inauthorized na ma-release as of last

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: week ay inaasahan po natin na maida-download

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ng CHED sa ating 108 state universities and colleges

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: starting probably this week dahil nasa kanila na po yung authority to spend for this.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, your honor.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Madam Chair. Sa hinabahaba po ng sinabi ni Secretary,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lumalabas pa rin po na sa 2027 NEP natin,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nandyan pa rin po yung mga budget cuts at huwag niyo po kaming dadaanin doon. sa press release natin na dapat ang

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: budget makatao dahil malinaw po na hindi yan nire-reflect doon

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa NEP natin.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Susunod ko po na katanungan, Madam Chair, nakapatungkol po sa DepDev.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Paulit-ulit po na sinasabi at pangako ni Pangulong Bongbong Marcos,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: magaganda nga po yung adjective na ginagamit nyo eh.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: More jobs, quality jobs,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: better jobs. Bago po tayo pumunta doon sa mga datos, po pwede nyo po bang ipaliwanag o i-characterize itong mga trabaho. Pwede nyo po na lilikhain o nililikha ng budget na ito at ng sariling plano ng gobyerno?

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yeah,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: okay, thank you, Madam Chair.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The data that we

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: presented are

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: based on nationally representative

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: surveys that

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: periodically compile and do through the Philippine Statistics Authority.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And they

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: show us, these surveys show us different types of work and different types of workers. Kaya

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: makikita mo rito dito yung mga

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: klaseng trabaho na nag-i-improve at pinag-i-improve.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: At

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sa kabuuan, gaya ng pinagkita ko this morning,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if you look at the last 15 years, so yung matagalan na nag

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -i-improve yung labor

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: market conditions natin in terms of bumaba yung employment,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: underemployment.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yung nga lang, yung as I said, showed also this morning, yung the

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: last three quarters medyo,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: umakyat uli yung unemployment, but we

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: believe that is transitory as we are,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and we go back to the long-term trend

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: soon as we recover from the sharp slowdown.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, yun ba,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hindi gawa-gawa yun ho, base sa data.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ngayon,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yung budget

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: na we presented also this morning,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: aims to improve upon that by focusing on

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sectors

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that when they improve, when they do well, they do better, could improve the quality of jobs.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Kaya kanina mag

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -focus tayo, sabi ko sa

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: balikan natin yung industriya para

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: makapag-create ng jobs, balikan natin yung ability natin to compete internationally by

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: focusing on our exports, because doon tayo

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: dehado compared sa other, sa

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mga neighbors natin.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And if

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you look at these types of industries, ito yung mga nakakadala

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sa quality of jobs that I was referring to.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you po, Madam Chair.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Magandang nabuksan po yan ni Secretary Balisacan.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Dahil po, kahit yung pangako na better jobs, more jobs, quality jobs, eh hindi rin po totoo yan sa

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kasalukuyang sitwasyon.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sa PDP po, the government plan. To generate 336,000 to 396,000 jobs

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: in manufacturing jobs in 2025 alone.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero po, Madam Chair, lumalabas mismo sa report,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: manufacturing employment,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: minus 177,000.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Industry employment,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: minus 226,000.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Tapos yung services, nakita po natin, merong uptick by

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 413,000.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So lumalabas po, Madam Chair,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi totoo yung pangako. Ito yung pangako

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ng administration sa pag-provide ng jobs. Kasi dapat natin itanong, hindi lang dapat lumilikha ng trabaho,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kundi anong klaseng trabaho ang nililikha. At lumalabas po ngayon, Madam Chair,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dun sa mga datos na nakikita natin, eh walang quality jobs na nakikreate. Mostly retail trade at

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: elementary low-paying jobs. Tama po ba ito, Secretary Balisakan?

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kung pwede po bang, kung pwede niyo po bang banggitin sa amin, retail jobs, retail trade jobs, at mga low-paying elementary jobs?

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Dun sa statistics natin, na kino-compile

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: natin,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we make

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yung wage and salary workers kasi na classification.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ito usually na what we consider better

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: quality jobs. Kasi dito,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: these are usually in

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: regular,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: more permanent. Hindi yung mga types of jobs that are

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: available only for 3 hours or 4 hours a day.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and if you look at that data, ito,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: nag-i-improve yan,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yung quality ng workers na yan.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: In terms of the proportion of those type of workers, in

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ito

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: namang mga sales and trade na

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: clerks, the service workers, and ito. As alam natin, mga panito, kung minsan, mga

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: clerks, half

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a day lang nag-u-work yan,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mga service workers,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yun ang kinakapture ng data natin na underemployed.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But even there, if you look at the data ng underemployment natin, kasi na pinakita ko kaninang umaga,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in the last 15 years, or even if you focus on the last 5

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: nag-i-improve yan.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ang exception nga lang, itong last 2 quarters and 3 quarters nga na. As you're right, pwede dati,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: tumaas.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But I said,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if we are able to succeed in recovering from the sharp slowdown and

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: get the economy growing fast again, we should be able to recover those losses. And that's the trust of the entire

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: proposed budget to

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Madam Chair, maganda po na nabanggit ni Secretary Balisacan yung percentage of wage and salaried workers in private establishments to

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: total employment. Employed workers increased.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meron din pong bangga agad doon sa targets and accomplishments.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So una, yung target, unambitious na nga.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yung actual pa,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So for 2025, ang target, 51.4 to 52.4. The actual is 50.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So ang ibig sabihin lang naman ito, Madam Chair, itong datos na lumalabas,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: eh hindi talaga lumilikha ng mga trabaho na

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: dekalidad, may

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: maayos na sahod,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: merong security of tenure yung gobyerno natin.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Marami po sa mga trabaho na yan ay retail trade at elementary low-paying jobs.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yun po yung pinatutungkulan natin.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ngayon, maganda po na binabanggit ni Secretary Balisakan, merong mga proposed na

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mga reforma para lumikha talaga tayo ng mga trabaho. At doon po patungo

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: yung questioning natin, Madam Chair.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ano ba yung... ang focus relative

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: to the 2027 budget? Ano ba ang focus ng gobyerno para lumikha ng mga industriya para

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: gumawa ng mga trabaho na dekalidad,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: hindi low-paying, hindi elementary, kundi mga high-value na mga trabaho? Kasi hindi naman po natin, Madam Chair, po pwedeng laging sabihin merong

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: trabaho, trabaho, trabaho.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang punto natin dito, hindi lang sapat na merong trabaho, kundi yung trabaho ay dapat nagbabayad ng maayos sa ating mga manggagawa at

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: talagang nakakapagambag sa development ng mga industriya natin.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, last clarification, Madam Chair, kay Secretary Balisakan.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yes.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much. That will be the last question for Cong. San Fernando.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Arsi

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: please.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's where I completely, we completely agree with you, Your

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Honor, that

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what we need for

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: this country, to move

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: forward is the generation of

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: quality jobs, better quality jobs. And

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: precisely,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what we

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of this administration is

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a faster execution of

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: programs and projects, particularly those

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: programs and projects that are so critical to

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the generation of jobs.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Una na doon is...

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yung

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: If the cost of energy, Your

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Honor,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is high,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: there's no way that you could generate a lot of jobs, a high quality of jobs, because your manufacturing would not be able to

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: enough employment, and especially for exports.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, we

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: need to address the,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what we call the critical constraints to investment and growth.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Infrastructure, number one, is doing business, number two. Then this, what we call this, the loss of confidence and trust in our institutions.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that's what we are trying to recover from. Kaya, yung budget is precisely...

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: frame to speed up our

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: recovery.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that's what

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: should... And

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: recovery means that, you know, business and consumer confidence will also

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: improve.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you. Thank you, Your Honor.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mr.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Chair, mabilis na mabilis na po. Thank you very much. Mabilis na mabilis na po, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pwede po sa next round, kasi marami po... Yes po,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: magpapalist na po ako sa second round. Mabilis na po, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: It would be unfair to our colleagues.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kanina, Mr. Chair, may nag-extend. Mabilis

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: na po.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Mabilis na po, Mr. Chair. Okay

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lang po.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang pupuntuhin ko lang naman po, Mr. Chair, maganda po na admission from the DepDev yun.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Na ang rason kung bakit mababa ang investor's confidence dito sa bansa natin,

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mataas ang utilities, at grabe, laganap ang korupsyon.

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So maganda po yun. So yun

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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: lang naman po, Mr. Chair, ang gusto kong ipoint at magpapalista po ako for second round. Okay.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Kong San Fernando.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Back to the majority.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May we call on Congressman Arnan

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Panaligan.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: You have the floor.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Thank

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: you very much, Vice Chair. This is a question addressed probably to our

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: DepDev.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: In your presentation earlier this morning, you mentioned that one

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: of the problems

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: or the weakness

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: in our economy is structural. Because we are more reliant on services.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Rather than industry. In fact, agriculture industry lag

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: behind the

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: services sector. And

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: that could be the reason why we

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: cannot provide better

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: quality and better paying jobs to our people.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So some economists refer to this as premature

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: deindustrialization.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: That is, we leapfrog from agrarian economy to

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: services. So

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we skip that part,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: that portion of industrialization.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: We know that manufacturing provides more

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: jobs, better jobs, better

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: paying jobs and quality jobs. But we skip that.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: considering that situation,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: do

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we have a clear program, a road map,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: an industrial policy to

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: reindustrialize or

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: to pursue industrialization and

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: manufacturing? So

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we can provide better jobs to our people.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Such as shipbuilding.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: We

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: buy our auto-ships from China.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Our steel, we don't have an integrated steel mill.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Even in pharmaceuticals, we import our drug

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: requirements.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: And all

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: our basic necessities are

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: imported. I remember when I was young, 1970s, laking

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: sa mga produkto natin, made in the Philippines. Made

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: in China, made in Thailand, made in Indonesia.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So ano ang produkto? So ano

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: ang

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: programa natin to reindustrialize? If we deindustrialize, as some economists said,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: ano yung ating klarong road map to

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: boost industrialization para

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: maging matiba yung ating structure ng ating ekonomiya?

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: At

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: hindi tayo reliant lamang sa services sector.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that if we try

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to understand closely why our

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: manufacturing, our industry,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: failed

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to catch up with our neighbors,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what becomes clear is that we,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: over decades, have failed to address those structural issues that I mentioned that

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: makes our industries, our exports, quite

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: uncompetitive.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And ito lang nga, I think it was emphasized, the issues on

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: poor

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: quality of infrastructure,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yung sa backlogs

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: lang natin sa connectivity.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: example, when

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I say connectivity, the

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: physical connectivity as well as the digital connectivity.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Whereas,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: those services are very costly in our country compared

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to our neighbors.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Partly because we haven't

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: invested enough,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: but secondly, the

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: quality of that investment is not good enough, so they did not last long,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: maintenance cost

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Number

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: two is, I

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think that

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: all

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: various chambers have been telling us about the cost of doing business in

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our country, we

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: have improved quite a bit, as I showed earlier this morning,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: but we need to improve much faster

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: than our neighbors so that we'll be able to catch up.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: just luck. Ang lang ko sa permitting, getting permits to start a business or to close a business, it takes weeks, according to the report, to some studies, to do it here, and only a day or two in some

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: countries like Singapore or Australia or even Thailand.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, those are the structural issues that I am talking about.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I believe that if we address those structural issues,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we don't even have to push

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: industrial policy in

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the way that our neighbors did.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Now, we choose champions because by

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: addressing those structural issues, you essentially make industry more competitive, more profitable, and

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: even our local industrialists should be able to grow.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, yan ho. But I think I also mentioned, the need for a better and much more improved coordination

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: between the public and the private sector,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as well as across government.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think the public-private partnership is the way to go,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: especially in times when our fiscal issues

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are severe enough because of the so many development needs that we have to address all at the same time. Okay.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: As presented this morning by BSP, our banks

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are awash with cash, with liquidity.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Why are they not being invested?

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Why is this cash not

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: being invested for factories?

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: because, perhaps,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: it's not profitable to do so unless

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we address these structural difficulties.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And so that's what will create jobs, if you are able to

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: address those difficulties, Madam Chair.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Yes, I agree with you, Secretary.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: You have to address the

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: bottlenecks in infrastructure, the

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: high

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: cost of energy,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: doing business, etc.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: But unless and until we address that, we

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: will not have a strong

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: industrial base. We will be trapped forever in

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: this system. We will be trapped

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: forever

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: in an economy that is import-dependent, where

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we will be given low-paying jobs. I

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: hope we will be aggressive in

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: promoting industrialization as

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: a way to escape poverty.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Anyway, thank you, Secretary.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Going to the PBM,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: although our budget increased from 6

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: .7 trillion in 2026 to 7.2 trillion for

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: 2027, there

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: are reductions in the major sectors, like

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: agriculture. Culture,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: health, social services,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: education.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: What is the reason,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: considering that the proposed budget has increased from

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: 6.7 to 7.2 trillion,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: but the major sectors suffered, that

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: have a direct impact on

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: poverty reduction?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, yun pong noted reduction

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nabanggit po ng

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maga department ay

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bunga rin po ng assessment ng kanilang paggamit ng 2026 GAA

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: may malaki pa rin pong bahagi ng kanilang current budget ang hind pa nila nagagamit

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: so in consideration of their absorptive capacity, ginamit po natin 'yon

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in determining

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: how

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: much of that level, particularly po yung kanilang mga infrastructure projects. But definitely not zero, Your Honor, Madam Chair.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ginamit lang po natin yung absorptive capacity nila para mag-recommend ng mas mababang amount

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung ikukumpara po sa 2026 GAA

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: although

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung titignan po natin yung 2026 NEP,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ito po ay halos kaparehong amount po para sa kanilang mga infrastructure projects.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So, would you say na meron parang, as of now, may underspending sila?

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Malaki pa ang kanilang mga balanse, kaya hindi sila binigyan.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So, parang may underspending.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: And, would

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: you agree na because of their failure to spend, or obligate to spend yung kanilang mga allocation for this year,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: eh, reason

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: yun kung

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: bakit,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: ang ating growth rate,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: 2.6 lamang noong quarter 1, and 2.3 noong quarter 2?

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Whereas, kung nailabas ang perang yan,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: nabusa na ang ating ekonomiya?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor, Madam Chair, bahagi po iyon, no, na kung ito po ay kanilang ma-implement sa

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mas

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lalong maagang panahon, ito rin po ay magkocontribute sa ating economic growth.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So, they should ramp up spending for the last two quarters, no?

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: that we can meet yung ating target.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Another question, no?

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Hopefully, the last,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: of the 50

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: billion peso unprogrammed appropriations for the AFP modernization program for

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: 2026,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: how much has been actually released, if any?

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Because, last,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: for this year,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: the appropriation for the AFP modernization is 40

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: billion.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: It's a regular appropriations

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: and 50 billion unprogrammed.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: So, I just want to know

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: if there

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: has been a release from

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: that 50 billion, 50 billion peso unprogrammed appropriations.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, sa ngayon po, wala pa pong release for the revised AFP modernization program under the 2026 unprogrammed appropriations.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: And will there be a release

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: before the end of the year?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, dalawa po yung consideration. Number one po, presence po ng trigger, which is excess revenue. And pangalawa po,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung may pangangailangan pa po, dahil, syempre po, inuuna po natin gamitin, ngayon, yung programmed appropriations for

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the revised AFP modernization program.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: But would you agree that

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: spending for the AFP modernization should

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: not be viewed as a financial burden to

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: the government, ano?

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Dahil, for

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: example, we

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: have

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: vast maritime areas,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: may marine wealth dyan,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: pagkain, source of food,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: aquatic resources that could have fed millions

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: of our fisher folk and those living in coastal communities where poverty is

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: quite high. Also,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: our maritime areas contain

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: natural

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: gas or oil deposits. But

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we cannot explore them because

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: somebody is claiming that.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: With a strong navy,

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: we can secure our maritime areas, our maritime wealth.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: And that

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: could help

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: in alleviating poverty. So would you agree that spending for naval modernization is

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: a way also of

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: enabling us to explore our maritime wealth in our areas?

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Thank you very much.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: you very much, Cong Arnan. That will be the last question. Salamat po.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim, please reply.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, Your Honor, yes po. And we evaluate naman po, not only the Navy, but the entire AFP, the request as soon as we receive them with complete documentation, Your Honor.

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Rep. Arnan C. Panaligan: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, maraming salamat po.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Next on our list, we go back to the minority.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now call Congressman Edgar

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Erice

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ericek.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sir, kayo na po.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Asensya na po, ginugulo ako ni Tonypet

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Anyway,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: good afternoon. My first question is to the Chair.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Can

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: you explain to us

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: what is particularly, basically the role of the DBCC in rationalizing the National Independence Program,

548
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: particularly on public

549
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: policy standards, on alignment

550
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: with the Philippines,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: on development plan,

552
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: and

553
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: maintaining an equitable distribution of the program?

554
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, the DBCC as a committee considers,

555
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: approves and recommends to the President yun

556
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pong ating medium to long term fiscal program, Kabilang po dyan yung ating

557
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: projected deficit and fixing as well the

558
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ceiling, the expenditure program. At yun po yung ginagamit ng DBM naman Naman, kapag na-fix na po ng DBCC yung ating magiging ceiling ng expenditure program, yun po yung ginagamit na ng DBM sa pag-assess ng bawat isang proposal ng mga ahensya. At sa DBM na po nangyayari yung pag

559
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -assess po natin ng alignment with our priority development plans and implementation readiness of the proposal.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: And you do have parameters, For example, assessing

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: projects, department, can you name it?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. Yes, Your Madam Honor, Chair, Among others, unang

563
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -una po kapag meron pong proposal, yung completion po ng supporting documents. So meron po tayong mga nakalatag ng mga budget preparation. forms na

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: makakapag-prove po ng tinatawag naming implementation readiness. Dahil kung implementation ready po yung isang proyekto, ibig sabihin po, consistent din po dun sa ating

565
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GAS release order, mabilis pong ma-implement yung project pagkapasa pa lamang po ng

566
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GAA. Kasama rin po dun sa ating assessment, yun po kanilang

567
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: utilization rate. Gaya po nang nabanggit po kanina, ito po yung dahilan.

568
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ilang department po na medyo bumaba dahil may mga continuing pa po silang mga pondo from 2026.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: With that, how can you explain that 1.45 trillion of

570
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the national budget of the 19th Congress were re-aligned

571
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: to projects that were not really meant to be?

572
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Paano po na-implement the 1.45 trillion in the insertions, diversions, amendments without

573
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the knowledge of

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the President and without the

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: interference from the Department of Budget and Management?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor, Madam Chair, ito po ay sa 2026 po.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: No.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Upang hindi na maulit ngayon,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: bakit nakalusot? Kasi dapat

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: malaman natin, paano nakalusot sa inyo?

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Paano nakalusot sa Presidente yung 1.45 trillion

583
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na

584
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: halos pinalitan ng Kongreso, yung President's Budget, yung Philippine Development Plan? Paano nakalusot sa inyo yan?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Uh

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair. Your Honor, marahil po ito po yung mga changes that was introduced doon po sa ating 2026 GAA.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito rin po yung dahilan kung bakit po doon sa veto message ng ating Presidente,

588
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sinubject niya po ito doon sa further documentation at pagbibigay po sa amin,

589
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bago po ma-release ng DBM yung karampatang allotment, ma

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -substantiate at ma-document po muna ng mga ahensya kung saan po nakalatag

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung mga changes na na-introduce po, bago po namin i-release yung mga changes.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ibig po sabihin na vet nyo na lahat ng mga projects, for example, lalo na sa Department of Public Works, dahil may naging controversy, we

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: should learn from our lessons.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Have you learned your lesson?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, yes po. For 2027, talaga pong sinusuportahan po ng complete documentation, including

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po yung Program of Works, ang bawat isa pong proyekto na nasa 2027 National Expenditure Program.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Wala po bang Leadership Fund allowed?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Wala po at hindi po kami aware, Your Honor, kasi po we only evaluate the proposals submitted by the Department.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ibig sabihin yung 1.45 trillion na pinalitan ng mga leaders ng Kongreso na nakaraan, di nyo alam sa

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: DBM?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, ang projects po ay nakikita po namin after the NEP, the GAA, the Enrolled Bill was submitted after the bicam.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: National

603
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Budget, pinalitan.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2024,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pinalitan.

606
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2025,

607
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pinalitan.

608
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ibig sabihin,

609
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: wala po kayo monitoring yung

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: DBM po. Hindi nyo ba pinaratingin sa Presidente na ganito yun ang nangyayari?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Madam Chair, patungkol po doon sa mga, although yun nga po, I'm not personally privy on that particular items,

612
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mayroon pong pagbabago naman po doon sa NEP to GAA ay

613
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang comparison lang po nito once we receive the Enrolled Bill

614
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bago po tayo mag-recommend. At yun nga po ang naging karampatang rekomendasyon was

615
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to subject kung meron man pong changes na na-introduce or new projects,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay isubstantiate po ng mga departments bago tuluyang ma-implement.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Pero ang Secretary po ng DBM, isa lang yan. Marami po kayong mga staff na matatagal na dyan.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano ba nangyari? Bakit pumayag?

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Hindi nyo ba brinief yung

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ating Executive, yung ating Presidente na

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ganyan

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang ginagawa ng Kongreso?

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: O

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: wala na lang

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kayong kibo? Ganun po ba?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, isa po sa observation na parati naman po na ipaparating din po is yung effect po ng mga changes na ito, particularly sa implementation ng iba pang mga priority projects.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kabila nga po sa ilang naapektuhan, would

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: be some of the foreign-assisted projects na priority rin po ng administration. And this is regularly reported.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, priority po yung flood control?

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung 1.45 insertions in 3

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: years? Priority po ba yan?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya po, Your Honor, Madam Chair, nandun po sa veto message na ito po mga changes in the budget as introduced, including among others, the flood control projects, ay

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dapat po na sumailalim sa

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: determination ng department, substantiation po nila ng details itong mga proyekto na ito,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: including other applicable

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget rules po, Your Honor,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yun pong

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: tungkol naman sa

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: unprogrammed appropriations for your

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2027 711.984 billion,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang pinakamalaki po dito ay DPWH

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: When you submit all

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: the projects,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: stated by the

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: different implementations.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At ano pong status dito mga ito? Ito ba mga,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kasi po nakalagay dito, support to foreign-assisted projects,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: hindi sinabing foreign-assisted projects.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, ano po yung mga items na ito? At ano pong status ng mga foreign-assisted projects na ito? So, aprobado na ba ito?

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung hindi pa,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: gaano katagal ito

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: mapoprocess?

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kung aprobado na, bakit nasa unprogrammed, bakit hindi sa programmed?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, lahat po ng foreign-assisted projects na nasa unprogrammed appropriations for 2027 ay sumasa ilalim pa po sa necessary approval sa ICC at

656
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa ED Council

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At lahat po ng mga ongoing or aprobado na pong mga foreign-assisted projects ay nasa loob po ng

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: programmed appropriations. We will submit

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the Committee on Appropriations, Madam Chair, Your Honor, the breakdown of the support. Foreign-assisted projects na

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lahat po ay sumasa ilalim pa sa review ng ICC at ng ED County.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Can you submit it at least one week or two weeks before the plenary?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will do, Your Honor.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you. And my next question

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: is

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: to

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Secretary Frederick Go

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Noong nagsasalita po kayo kanina, parang ang tingin ko napakaganda ng ekonomiya ng Pilipinas.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: You said that

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang debt to GDP ratio natin is 56%. Tama po ba yan?

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Sir, the general

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: government debt to

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: GDP is

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: currently at 58.6%.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Is

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: there any other parameter? Yung general debt? Meron pa po ba ang hindi general?

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, sir. National government debt.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yan po. Ang tinatanong ko ay national government debt to GDP ratio,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: which is more

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: appropriate.

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: That is 64.9%, Your Honor.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 64.9%. And it was announced by

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: your

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: office in February 3. Tama po?

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: cannot remember the date we announced. But that's the number po. 64.9% for national government debt to GDP.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Salamat po sa

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Department of kay Secretary, kababayan ko, Ilocano. Secretary Balisacan

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Napaka, meron

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: po kayong mga

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: projections dito na pagtaas sa 2027-28.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Nung ating GDP. Nung pagbabaan ng inflation. Ano pong basis nito?

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Well, the primary

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: driver for the sharp slowdown in the last three quarters is one, the governance

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: issues,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: right? Two,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Middle East conflict.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: led to sharp increases in oil prices that

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: drove inflation sharply.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And those combinations caused a

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: taming or

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a deterioration of the consumer and business confidence. So yung

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: domestic demand,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: slowdown.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Significantly.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Now,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so moving forward,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and what we are

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: trying to convey here is

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that we

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: must address those issues.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Of

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: course, we cannot do much about the

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Middle East conflict,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: but we should be able to respond through the appropriate tools in our

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hands to

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: moderate the impact of those. And that's what we did under the Uplift program, for example.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: With respect to the other one, this governance and corruption. issues that

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: impacted on

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our domestic

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sentiments, business and consumer sentiments, that

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: requires a lot

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of reforms from us, including

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: those reforms that would have to come from Congress.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I outlined this morning, for example, some of the

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: laws that we must pass. to establish or re-establish trust in our institutions and governance,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: but we also can do a lot of things like

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: speeding up the implementation of

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: programs, particularly those overly delayed projects,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that the services of these projects can now be felt by ordinary Filipinos. Those, I think, will establish confidence and move us to move forward, will

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: speed up our recovery.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that would enable us to

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: achieve the 3.5 to 4

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: .5

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: growth for next year, for this year, and 5 to

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 6

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for next year.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Would you agree po na

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ang pinakamalaking dahilan dito ay yung pagpagsak ng ekonomiya natin

743
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: ay

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung budget and flood control scandal?

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kasi po,

746
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: wala pa namang Middle East crisis noong

747
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: late

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 2025, pero bumagsak na ng... 3

749
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung

750
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: GDP natin, from

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: as

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: high as 5%, di ba? Mahigit 5%

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: There were already, even before the Middle East conflict, of course, there were already some other disturbances,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: like there

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: was a surge in global trade

756
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: uncertainty because of the, well, part

757
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: because of the tariff, changing tariff regime in

758
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the U.S. That happened way before the...

759
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Middle East conflict, and that affected trade

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: flows and investment flows around the world.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And then, of course, as we were trying to recover from that, including the effects of, remember, we also had unfortunate climate

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -related issues during the last quarters of 2024 and

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: early 2025.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are trying, or we are recovering from that when the Middle East conflict coming in. So,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: those combinations really

767
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: dented

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our business

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and consumer confidence, and that's why the domestic demand, you could see, it's particularly consumption.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: do you think confidence will return?

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I believe

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so. We believe so. So, if you are, you know... So,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kung hindi po nare-resolve yung governance issue?

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I believe so. We have to work as a whole of government, I don't think that any one sector, any

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: one branch of government can resolve that issue. We have to work as an

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: entire government, Congress, the executive, and even

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our judiciary. This is an issue that we, as

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a nation, we have to face.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And, of course, there must be a public policy on that.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And I think the executive department should lead the

782
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: public

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: policy. On the

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: resolution of this governance issue.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Ano po ba ang gagawin ng

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: executive department dito sa pag-re-resolve nito, public policy issue?

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yes, for those in the executive that we have control of, for example, I

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mentioned about the execution. This is faster execution of

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: government programs, particularly infrastructure.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that we can do,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that's what we are trying. We are now addressing.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Because, you know, the

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: two quarters

795
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of under

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -spending,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if we can mobilize that in

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the second

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: half of the year,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that could

801
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: drive growth substantially.

802
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that is what we are working on, speeding up the implementation. In the meantime,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Congress has also had to pass

804
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: those... Those

805
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: urgent laws that we have identified as key

806
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to re

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: -establishing confidence in

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our institutions, particularly addressing the structural issues that I

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also mentioned earlier.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you. I don't want to belabor the point, but my

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: opinion is that the President should

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: really mean it

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: to resolve these issues of budget and floodgates.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Control, infrastructure, scandal, to

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: be able to regain the confidence of investors, businessmen, and even our foreign investors. Thank you.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Last question

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That will be the last question.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Mayroon pa.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Mayroon na.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Mayroon pa.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Last question. Last question, Cong Egay.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Maigsing-maigsi

823
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Sinabi kanina ni Secretary Frederick Go

824
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Kailangan po talaga may discipline yung spending natin sa

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kinakaharap natin

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na

827
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 1.6 trillion na deficit for this

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: year?

829
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So, importante na yung gagastusin natin,

830
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: magpapaunlad sa atin.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Tama po,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Secretary.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung po bang katakot-takot, nakita ko po yung pag-angat ng maraming mga

834
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: programa, katakot-takot po ayuda.

835
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: In fact, kahit sa ayuda,

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pagdating po sa

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: social,

838
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: sa livelihood project

839
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: na makapagpaangat ng kabuhayan, mas maliit kaysa dun sa talagang ayuda na pamigay lang para

840
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: masinasaboy lang yung pera

841
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: sa kalsada. For example,

842
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: yung...

843
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: For example, bigyan ko yun ng example.

844
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung po ba, wise utilization of resources? Yung...

845
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 8 billion pinamigay ng presidente sa

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 42,000

847
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: baranggays.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 20,000 pesos

849
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: sa limang eskolar.

850
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: At 100,000 para sa mga proyekto ng

851
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: baranggay. Do

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: you have enough

853
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: absorptive capacity to monitor kung saan napunta itong 8 billion na ito? Sa amin o, sa kaloocan. Yung

854
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: 100,000 para sa iskolar, pinaghahati-hati, ginawang tiglilimang-libo

855
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Yung 100,000, mayroon

856
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: pa ako gumawa ng project, yung stud sa

857
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: kalsada, yung

858
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: nilalagay.

859
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: So,

860
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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: paano na mamonitor ito? Paano natin ma-account itong 8 billion na ito?

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you for that last question, Cong Egay.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I think that question was addressed to...

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sa address, kay Sec. Kim.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor. Kung ito po ay mga proyektong ini-implement po ng LGU galing po sa national government, meron po tayong standing agreement with DILG, bukod pa po ito sa regular audit function po ng Commission on Audit. So, DILG, Your Honor, is in charge po of monitoring the

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proper implementation of these projects vis-a-vis the guidelines for the utilization. But we'll take note of that particular concern, Your Honor.

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Rep. Edgar R. Erice: Thank you.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong Egay. Thank you, Sec. Kim.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now go back to the majority.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May we call on Congressman Romeo

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Momo.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sir, you have the floor.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maraming salamat po.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Mr. Chairman, I don't know where to address this question, but anyway.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: In the government's medium-term policy

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: on infrastructure spending,

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: the proposed budget allocation should be... between 5 to 6 percent of the GDP.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: I think this policy is consistent with all other emerging economies in the world.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: My question is, in

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: our 2027 budget,

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: how much had been... how

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: many percent had

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: been allocated for infrastructure

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: development versus

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: the projected GDP for 2027?

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, Cong

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Momo, are you addressing to the question... to any particular agency?

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Anybody who can answer that, Mr. Chairman.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Chair Momo, if I may direct that question to the DBM.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, what is the

893
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: infrastructure budget relative to the GDP?

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Yes, Madam Chair.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor. Infrastructure projects in the 2027 NEP is at 4.4 percent of our GDP.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: 4.4 percent is 1.467

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: trillion. I think.

898
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Madam

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, Your Honor.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Which is way far behind 1.66

901
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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: trillion if our GDP

902
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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: is 33 trillion in

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: 2027. Tama ba ako, Madam

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Chair, na 33 trillion ang ating projected GDP for

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: 2027?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Madam Chair, Your Honor.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: So, therefore, ang 5 percent sana is 1.66, di ba, Madam Chairman? So, malayo pa pa po tayo doon.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Bakit po hindi natin binuo na lang ng buong 5 percent?

909
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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: So that we can catch up with all other countries in Asia or in the world.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: In terms of the infrastructure development.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Actually, Madam Chair, Your Honor, yung isa pong consideration natin.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, yung benchmark po na nabanggit po ng Honorable Congressman Momo,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi pa po kasama doon sa binanggit po natin actually our ongoing public-private partnership. So, yung 4.4 percent po natin ay

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pawang yung nandun pa lang po sa National Expenditure Program. At meron pa po tayong mga infrastructure projects which we intend to undertake through PPP.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Hopefully, pag in-add up po natin ito,

916
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: can push up yung ating ratio of infraspending as a percentage of GDP higher close to the 5 percent benchmark.

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Yes, Madam Chair. Well,

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: in the distribution of

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Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: infra projects in 2027 by agencies,

920
00:52:17,730 --> 00:52:18,650
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: DPWH

921
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:22,210
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: garnered 42.2 percent of the total share.

922
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:26,630
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ang DOTR is second, is 16.9.

923
00:52:26,850 --> 00:52:33,830
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ang nagtataka lang ako, Madam Chair, ano ho itong GOCC's infrastructure program?

924
00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:38,130
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ano mga klaseng infrastruktura pa ito?

925
00:52:39,850 --> 00:52:46,370
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, yun pong nakatag sa infrastructure projects under BSGC or GOCCs.

926
00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:46,930
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito

927
00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:51,510
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po yung ating subsidy para po sa mga GOCC's na mag-iimplement ng

928
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:57,110
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: iba't ibang infrastructure project. Nangunguna na po diyan yung National Irrigation Administration, which

929
00:52:57,110 --> 00:53:02,010
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is a GOCC na mag-iimplement po ng various irrigation projects nationwide.

930
00:53:03,570 --> 00:53:08,110
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kasama rin po diyan yung mga fish port projects under the Philippine

931
00:53:08,110 --> 00:53:11,250
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Fisheries Development Authority as

932
00:53:11,250 --> 00:53:14,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: well as, among others, Your Honor.

933
00:53:16,850 --> 00:53:21,610
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Madam Chair, in putting up an amount in its agencies

934
00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:25,030
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: of government, I think one of the consideration is

935
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:26,150
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: the absorptive capacity.

936
00:53:26,970 --> 00:53:28,730
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Am I right, Madam Chair?

937
00:53:29,070 --> 00:53:30,450
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: It's one of the parameters.

938
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:33,070
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. Madam Chair, among others.

939
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:37,790
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Do you agree that, or

940
00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:40,430
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: are we in agreement na

941
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:42,350
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: ang DepEd, which

942
00:53:42,350 --> 00:53:52,370
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: will have a 36.6 billion pesos for 2027, ang 2026 nga, hindi pa nila na-umpisahan,

943
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:55,870
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: maubos kaya nila ito, Madam Chair?

944
00:53:57,370 --> 00:54:10,876
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, that's one of the reasons kung bakit po ang recommended level for DPID classrooms ay 36.6 dahil po yung kanila pong 2026 appropriations ay currently pa lang po nila sinisimulang i

945
00:54:10,876 --> 00:54:19,410
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -implement, i-procure o kabilang na po yung pagda-download sa mga LGUs as one of the modalities chosen by DepEd, Your Honor.

946
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:24,210
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: The same is true in the Department of Agriculture, Madam Chairman. The

947
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:31,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: amount is 37.99%, which is 2.6 share of the total infra budget.

948
00:54:32,610 --> 00:54:33,090
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ah,

949
00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:42,150
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: hindi mo ba, hindi ba alam din ng lahat na ang Department of Agriculture's projects in my, in our region is not yet started until now?

950
00:54:43,290 --> 00:54:44,250
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: For 2026.

951
00:54:44,810 --> 00:54:46,370
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Wala pa po hindi pa na-umpisahan.

952
00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:50,010
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: So magpa-pile up lang po itong mga allocations ng ito.

953
00:54:53,290 --> 00:55:03,648
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, we are aware po of the status of implementation of the Farm to Market Roads, kaya po ang narecommenda po naming level is less than the amount

954
00:55:03,648 --> 00:55:03,982
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in

955
00:55:03,982 --> 00:55:10,390
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the budget. originally proposed by the agency dahil po sa kanilang patuloy pa pong implementation of their 2026 project.

956
00:55:10,810 --> 00:55:12,150
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: I was wondering, Madam Chairman,

957
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:15,950
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: when DPWH is the engineering arm of the government,

958
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:18,210
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: bakit hindi natin ginamit sila ngayon?

959
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:23,250
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Bakit maliit lang ang ilagay natin sa kanila when we all

960
00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:30,270
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: believe that the absorptive capacity is of DPWH is even higher than the rest of the agencies

961
00:55:31,410 --> 00:55:33,290
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: implementing infra-projects?

962
00:55:34,650 --> 00:55:40,550
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, isa rin po ito sa naging consideration ng DPWH at nung sila po ay ating

963
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:44,030
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tinanong during the budget preparation,

964
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:45,590
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mas nag

965
00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:54,030
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -favor po sila na implement ito ng mga respective implementing agencies, pagamat available pa rin naman po na option kung

966
00:55:54,030 --> 00:55:59,210
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung implementing agency po ay pipili na gamitin ang DPWH as a partner,

967
00:55:59,430 --> 00:56:04,010
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: posibleng pa rin naman po ito subject to entering a memorandum of agreement for the purpose.

968
00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:08,910
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ah, yes, okay. The next question, Madam Chairman,

969
00:56:09,090 --> 00:56:10,290
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: is in the regional

970
00:56:11,790 --> 00:56:12,450
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: allocation,

971
00:56:13,660 --> 00:56:15,410
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: yung regionalized budget natin.

972
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:18,470
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: For the longest time in many budgets that I have seen,

973
00:56:20,170 --> 00:56:21,390
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: lagi ho ang

974
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:30,430
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: CAR at saka yung Caraga receives the lowest percentage here in terms of

975
00:56:31,590 --> 00:56:32,910
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: regionalized allocation.

976
00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:45,590
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Ah, these regions are belong to the poorer regions in the country. Hindi ba magiging magandang polisiya sana na yung medyo mahirap na region ay tulungan natin para

977
00:56:45,590 --> 00:56:49,830
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: at least maka-catch up naman sa neighboring regions?

978
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:05,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Madam Chair, while we confirm po the figures referred to by the Honorable Momo is on the

979
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:06,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: percent

980
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:07,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: share,

981
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:14,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we would also like to submit na kung titignan din po natin yung per capita allocation nitong pong mga region, the region cited,

982
00:57:14,740 --> 00:57:18,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: which is CAR and Caraga actually has higher per

983
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:20,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: capita allocation kung

984
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:23,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ikukumpara po natin sa average po ng bawat rehiyon.

985
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:27,840
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Per capita allocation I think is one of your criteria but

986
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,180
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: land area is also one, di ba?

987
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,940
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: And then the absence of infrastructure projects.

988
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:40,520
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Hindi ba kaya, hindi ba niyo tinitingnan din na itong mga ito ay

989
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:41,540
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: talagang

990
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:49,300
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: kulang na kulang in terms of infrastructure and then yung land area is mas malaki pa kaysa iba siguro mga regions.

991
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:51,920
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: I mean,

992
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:56,280
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: it's better to revisit siguro in your next planning yung

993
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,800
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: mga ganoon na mga criterias kasi

994
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:05,800
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: lagi na lang in almost all budget that I have attended, laging kulilat ang mga regions na ito.

995
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,400
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Kaya hindi sila maka-take off.

996
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:13,827
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: They cannot catch up with the other regional offices. The regional

997
00:58:13,827 --> 00:58:18,760
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: centers because the assistance given by the government is not that much.

998
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:35,490
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, we thank the Honorable Momo for that suggestion and definitely as we revisit po yung aming planning and budgeting linkage processes, isasama po namin yan sa aming improvement of the budget process.

999
00:58:35,810 --> 00:58:38,970
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: And please look into also the

1000
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:40,850
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: absence of infra as against

1001
00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:43,230
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: the area.

1002
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:46,410
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: There is such parameter, as road

1003
00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:47,310
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: length versus area.

1004
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:49,590
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Kung tingnan nyo, ang Mindanao talaga

1005
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:51,770
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: kulang, malaking area ang Mindanao,

1006
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:53,570
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: particularly Caraga.

1007
00:58:55,310 --> 00:58:59,730
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: Pero tingnan mo, medyo kulang, na kulang ang

1008
00:59:00,970 --> 00:59:03,280
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: infrastructure development sa area na yan.

1009
00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:04,820
Rep. Romeo S. Momo Sr.: That's all, Madam Chair.

1010
00:59:05,140 --> 00:59:07,310
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Cong. Momo,

1011
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:08,680
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: for

1012
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,960
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: strictly and religiously sticking

1013
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,270
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: sticking with the time allotted.

1014
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:17,070
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Mayroon bang pending questions?

1015
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:19,930
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat po. So, now we go to the next

1016
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:22,800
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: representative.

1017
00:59:24,050 --> 00:59:26,510
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Back to the minority. May

1018
00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:29,380
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on Congresswoman Dadah Ismula.

1019
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:31,300
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ma'am, you have the floor.

1020
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:35,910
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Magandang. Maraming salamat po, Mr. Chair, Madam Chair.

1021
00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:37,730
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Assalamualaikum.

1022
00:59:39,730 --> 00:59:40,850
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Maulan at

1023
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:43,490
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: maayong hapon sa atong tanan.

1024
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:49,950
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Mayroon lamang po kong mga ilang katanungan para sa DBM po.

1025
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:55,670
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Una, sa initial na assessment ng Akbayan sa ating NEP

1026
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:59,450
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: for fiscal year 2027,

1027
00:59:59,450 --> 01:00:08,370
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: We found that there is a 17.3 increase in the budget allocation for debt interest payments from last year.

1028
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:19,190
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: The 1.1 trillion peso para sa debt service for 2027 is 15 15.5 of the total proposed budget.

1029
01:00:19,550 --> 01:00:33,210
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Kung baga, ang binabayad natin sa mga utang halos katumbas sa bina-budget natin sa LGU sa buong bansa. for next next year. Ganon po siya kalaki, no?

1030
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:44,120
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: So, to DBM, what specific programs or investments were deprioritized to accommodate the debt service burden po?

1031
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:10,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Madam Chair, as to specific projects, kung ikukumpara po, kung babalikan po natin siguro po, no, from the original submission pa lamang ng mga ahensya, that's

1032
01:01:10,860 --> 01:01:12,020
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 11.9 trillion

1033
01:01:12,020 --> 01:01:18,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, dun pa lamang po, meron po tayong level of prioritization na ginawa at even

1034
01:01:18,340 --> 01:01:23,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po yung proposal ng mga agencies in implementing the foreign assisted projects ay hindi po natin

1035
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: naman ibinigay lahat dahil in-assess din po natin yung

1036
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kakayahan nila to actually spend it during the fiscal

1037
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:34,660
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: year. But with the indulgence of the good Congresswoman,

1038
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:59,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: medyo wala po kaming maibibigay na one specific project na hindi na naisama dahil po dun sa atin. which is actually an automatic appropriation po. But on a comparison, just on an aggregate level, from the proposal to the NEP, meron po talagang certain different projects na hindi po nakasama because of the limited fiscal space that we have.

1039
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:05,060
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: So ibig sabihin po, hindi ninyo maibibigay na specific kung ano yung na

1040
01:02:05,060 --> 01:02:10,240
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: deprioritize ninyo para lang ma-accommodate yung debt service natin or debt

1041
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,240
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: service burden natin.

1042
01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:15,860
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Dahil gineneralize ninyo na

1043
01:02:15,860 --> 01:02:19,440
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: bawat ahensya, may

1044
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,880
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: mga ilang proyekto kayong hindi

1045
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,040
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: inaprubahan. Tama ba?

1046
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:40,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Madam Chair, Your Honor, that is correct. Kasi po halos lahat naman po ay may mas mahabang listahan kaysa po dun sa actual na naibigay sa NEP. So, hindi lamang po siguro ito a handful of projects if that would be the question of Your Honor.

1047
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:41,280
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Yeah.

1048
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:49,153
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Actually kahit hindi nyo po sabihin, nakikita naman po namin sa NEP kung ano yung mga

1049
01:02:49,153 --> 01:02:50,954
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: hindi na-accommodate. Pero

1050
01:02:50,954 --> 01:02:54,106
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: dahil dyan, hindi ko na po bubusisiin,

1051
01:02:54,106 --> 01:02:58,608
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: nakita naman po namin, nabanggit kasi kanina ang mga foreign

1052
01:02:58,608 --> 01:03:01,760
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: assisted projects na nakapaloob sa unprogrammed appropriations.

1053
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:06,080
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Can you confirm po kung hindi na-meet

1054
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:25,780
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: na or hindi na-me-meet ng gobyerno ang ating counterpart funding obligation? At hindi ito na-implement. May mga kaakibat na commitment fees, penalty, charges, o non-utilization fees na binabayaran mula sa budget ng bayan sa mga lenders. Tama po ba?

1055
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:32,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Tama po, Your Honor, as to commitment fees kung hindi po natin na-utilize yung ating loan.

1056
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:39,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya po, priority natin na inilagay po ito ngayon sa programed appropriations, lalo na po sa mga ongoing projects.

1057
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:41,120
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Can

1058
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:51,740
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: you tell us po? How much the fees and penalties have been incurred from these delayed projects transferred to the UA since 2022 po?

1059
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, may we defer to DOF?

1060
01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:03,060
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Can DOF reply?

1061
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:05,600
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Madam

1062
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:06,360
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Chair,

1063
01:04:06,540 --> 01:04:14,620
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for commitment fees incurred, we have incurred a total of 3.4 billion pesos during

1064
01:04:14,620 --> 01:04:15,580
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the Marcos administration.

1065
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,580
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Mula 2022 up to the present?

1066
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,300
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, ma'am.

1067
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:28,360
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Okay, salamat po. Can you confirm that these penalties and fees form part of the debt interest payment category for this year?

1068
01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:31,940
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, can I clarify?

1069
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,100
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: What I gave you is not penalties, it's commitment fees.

1070
01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:45,460
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Yung tanong ko po kasi sa inyo, sir, is yung ano to, can you tell us how much fees and penalties have incurred from

1071
01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:53,380
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: these... penalties have been incurred from projects transferred to UAE mula 2022 po.

1072
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:58,450
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Hindi po yung commitment fees po.

1073
01:04:58,490 --> 01:05:01,230
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Kasi, Your Honor, Madam Chair, if I can explain.

1074
01:05:01,230 --> 01:05:03,970
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Go ahead.

1075
01:05:04,510 --> 01:05:06,670
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: There's technically no penalty. These are the commitment fees you pay.

1076
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:13,910
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: If the project does not go ahead, you lose the commitment fee you paid. So there's technically no penalty.

1077
01:05:14,690 --> 01:05:17,270
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But this is the total commitment fees we've paid.

1078
01:05:18,290 --> 01:05:29,530
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Hindi po ba na kapag meron tayong foreign-assisted programs, na kapag hindi po natin nai-utilize, eh, meron po sa kontrata na nakalagay na mape-penalty tayo?

1079
01:05:29,790 --> 01:05:33,570
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Can you confirm lang po? Kung mali po ako, that's fine. Just tell us po.

1080
01:05:34,370 --> 01:05:38,870
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Ma'am, yeah, I think, Your Honor, Madam Chair, yes, I may have to

1081
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:42,210
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: confirm that there is no penalties.

1082
01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:47,950
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think, Madam Chair, what the Honorable Congressman is referring to,

1083
01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:55,710
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: are the contracts of, say, DOTR or DPWH, those have penalties. But from the point of view of DOF, ma'am, we have no penalties.

1084
01:05:57,250 --> 01:05:58,770
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: So commitment fees lang?

1085
01:05:59,010 --> 01:05:59,270
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes.

1086
01:05:59,610 --> 01:05:59,990
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Okay po.

1087
01:06:01,890 --> 01:06:07,130
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Pwede, salamat po sa naging response ninyo, Mr. Secretary, Madam Chair,

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Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Tatalon po ako ulit sa DBM. Patungkol po ito sa effects of El Nino.

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01:06:16,590 --> 01:06:17,660
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Base sa

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Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: 193rd DBCC Statement ng Medium Term Macroeconomic Assumptions posted on the DBM website na identify po ninyo ang effects ng El Nino na pwedeng risk sa ating economic growth.

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Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Ang budget ba na-prinopose para sa 2027, hinahanda ba ang taong

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Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: bayan sa panahon ng ulan, baha at tagtuyot?

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01:06:46,310 --> 01:06:53,210
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Kasi medyo nakita. Nakita po kasi namin na pareho ang budget ng Calamity Fund this year at last year. So

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01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:55,270
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: hinahanda ba natin ito?

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01:06:55,710 --> 01:06:57,810
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Dahil may na-presume na tayo na

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01:06:57,810 --> 01:07:01,210
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: effects ng El Nino.

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01:07:01,770 --> 01:07:07,490
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, your honor, bukod po dun sa nabanggit na Calamity Fund at na

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01:07:07,490 --> 01:07:20,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nakaantabay po sa ating budget, kung pinag-uusapan po ang El Nino, kasama pa rin po dito yung mga regular programs ng mga departamento, katulad na po ng DA. Meron po silang mga provision for

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01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:24,290
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: instance fertilizers as well as yun

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01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:29,830
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pong mga irrigation projects, solar irrigation projects na maaari pong makatulong na

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01:07:29,830 --> 01:07:34,610
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: makapag-improve ng agricultural productivity. So hindi lamang po yung lump sum, your honor,

1103
01:07:34,810 --> 01:07:40,610
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung maaaring gamitin po ng mga ahensya sa pag-respond po sa risk ng El Nino.

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01:07:40,770 --> 01:07:41,390
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Opo,

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01:07:41,470 --> 01:07:53,430
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: naintindihan ko po yun. Kaso lang po, doon po sa posted ninyo sa inyong website po, meron kayong assumptions na tataas nga yung effect po by 2027.

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01:07:53,970 --> 01:08:04,870
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: So yung pinagtatakan lang po kasi namin, bakit pareho yung Calamity Fund natin ng taong ito at saka ng 2027? Yun po kasi yung gusto namin makita.

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01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:08,170
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, your honor, to respond po.

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01:08:08,170 --> 01:08:09,410
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please reply.

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01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:21,070
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Bukod po doon sa nabanggit po na lump sum na Calamity Fund, yung pag-respond din po kasi sa El Nino, in fact, ay naging bahagi na rin po nung konsiderasyon ng uplift program this year.

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01:08:21,230 --> 01:08:23,730
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So hindi lamang po yung Calamity Fund next year,

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01:08:23,870 --> 01:08:26,350
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron din po tayong mga ibinibigay na

1112
01:08:26,350 --> 01:08:35,390
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: karagdagang tulong po sa DA para mapaghandaan po yung papasok na El Nino na hindi po kailangan hintayin yung 2027.

1113
01:08:36,970 --> 01:08:38,990
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Sa unprogrammed din po ba yun po?

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01:08:39,930 --> 01:08:52,350
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, hindi po sa unprogrammed appropriations kasama po bilang uplift, yung paggamit po ng mga na-identify na savings para po maitulong po doon sa mga ahensya na mag-implement ng uplift program.

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01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:53,670
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Yes.

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01:08:53,670 --> 01:08:59,910
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Maraming salamat po. Mr. Chair, one last question po para po sa ating dep-dev naman po.

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01:09:00,590 --> 01:09:02,950
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Pagbigyan nyo na po ko, Madam Chair. Yes,

1118
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:03,870
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: please go ahead, ma'am.

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01:09:04,210 --> 01:09:10,410
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Unemployment is projected to rise to 5.3 to 5.8 percent in

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Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: 2026, a

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01:09:12,010 --> 01:09:14,890
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: full point above 2025. Before

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01:09:14,890 --> 01:09:19,390
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: easing to 4 to 5 percent in 2027 because

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Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: the DBCC identified slower OFW remittances dahil sa Middle East tensions at economic growth risk.

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01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:32,530
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Handa ba ang 2027 budget na

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01:09:32,530 --> 01:09:42,990
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: tugunan ang pangangailangan ng ating mga OFWs, hindi lang para sa repatriation pero pag-generate din ng jobs para sa gustong bumalik sa bansa?

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01:09:44,370 --> 01:09:57,490
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: Bukod doon, can you also explain to the committee in plain and simple terms how many industry sectors jobs the NEP 2027 will generate po?

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01:09:58,150 --> 01:09:59,650
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much,

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Dada. Dep-dev, Sec Arsi, please reply.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: issue

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01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,800
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: about OFWs is

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: being tackled under the uplift program. For the government, this

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01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:21,440
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: involves assistance and reintegration of displaced

1134
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,020
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: workers and I

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01:10:23,020 --> 01:10:23,860
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think

1136
01:10:23,860 --> 01:10:25,820
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: when

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01:10:25,820 --> 01:10:27,220
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the

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01:10:27,220 --> 01:10:32,200
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Department of Migrant Workers will be here,

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01:10:32,340 --> 01:10:35,260
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: they could provide more details about what

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01:10:35,260 --> 01:10:36,920
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: assistance

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,040
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: they provided, Madam Chair.

1142
01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:39,920
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I

1143
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,700
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: don't have with me those details.

1144
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:44,280
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: With respect to the...

1145
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:50,580
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: How the budget for 2027 creates

1146
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:52,220
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: jobs,

1147
01:10:53,700 --> 01:10:57,200
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: higher quality jobs, particularly in industry,

1148
01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:02,120
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we haven't

1149
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,280
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: crossed the numbers but if

1150
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,620
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we spend the budget

1151
01:11:09,620 --> 01:11:13,980
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and tailor the budget in the way we discussed

1152
01:11:13,980 --> 01:11:16,440
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: this morning, it's currently framed,

1153
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,320
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: meaning addressing

1154
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the high

1155
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,260
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: priorities for recovering economic growth

1156
01:11:23,260 --> 01:11:24,840
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to

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01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,220
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: higher levels because the

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01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:32,800
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: numbers that the increase in the number of workers and the unemployed workers that you

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01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:38,880
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mentioned, Madam Chairs, is precisely because of the slowdown, sharp slowdown.

1160
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:39,680
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And

1161
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:40,680
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our

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01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,840
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hope is that we are able to recover quickly.

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01:11:45,140 --> 01:11:48,640
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Through the deployment, proper deployment of the budget next year.

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01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:49,620
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you

1165
01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:54,760
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: varaming salamat, Mr. Chair, Madam Chair, at maraming salamat din po

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01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:55,060
Rep. Dadah Kiram Ismula: DepDev

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01:11:55,900 --> 01:11:59,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat po, Cong. Dada and Sec Arsi.

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01:11:59,980 --> 01:12:03,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Now, back to the majority, may we call on

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01:12:03,220 --> 01:12:05,680
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congresswoman Gila.

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01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,080
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: You

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01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:07,560
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: have the floor.

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01:12:08,780 --> 01:12:11,220
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

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01:12:11,980 --> 01:12:15,680
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Magandang-magandang hapon na po sa ating lahat. Policy question,

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01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,440
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Mr. Chair, to DBM and to Dep-Dev.

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01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,420
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: In terms of bottom-up

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01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:26,480
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: and top-down approach in terms of our budget process.

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01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:40,700
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Ako po ay kinatawan ng ikatlong distrito ng Lalawigan ng Bataan. So, yung mandato ko po ay galing sa constituents ng probinsya ng apat na munisipyo up to barangay and sectoral

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01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:46,100
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: representatives ng aking distrito. I

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01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:57,580
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: advocate bottom-up approach in terms of the budget process kasi syempre alam natin yung baseline, alam natin yung pangangailangan, and through consultation,

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01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,500
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: dumadaan po sa Barangay Development Council,

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01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:02,740
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Municipal Development Council,

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01:13:03,620 --> 01:13:08,440
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Provincial Development Council, and then Regional Development Council.

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01:13:09,020 --> 01:13:09,660
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: So,

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01:13:09,820 --> 01:13:12,040
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: yung

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01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:13,900
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: prosesong yun, medyo clear po.

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01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:16,040
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Sa atin,

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01:13:16,060 --> 01:13:21,740
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: may observation lang po ako na gusto ko po sanang i-clarify na

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01:13:21,740 --> 01:13:23,580
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: from

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Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Regional Development Council,

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01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:27,540
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: pupunta

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01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:33,320
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: po siya sa Central Agencies and Central Dep-Dev, and nandito po tayo sa DBCC,

1192
01:13:33,460 --> 01:13:37,240
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: parang meron pong blind spot in

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01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,140
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: terms of yung

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01:13:39,140 --> 01:13:43,140
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: mga PPAs proposed and approved up to Regional Development Council.

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01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:53,585
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Hindi po. Hindi po klaro sino po yung nagbibigay o nag-set ng ceilings, sino po

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01:13:53,585 --> 01:14:00,220
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: yung finally nagde-determine ng PPAs na lumalabas po sa NEP.

1197
01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:03,160
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: At siguro itong blind spot na ito,

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01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:16,520
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: parang kung tatanongin yung mga regions, malalaman na lang po nila kung ano po yung PPAs na lumabas sa NEP pagkalabas po ng NEP. So, parang meron po tayong gap in

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01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,480
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: terms of a

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01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:31,820
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: disruptive in a positive way discussion na sana napagkakasunduan, napag-uusapan, napag-aawayan, napag

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01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:35,820
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: -didiskusyonan yung talagang pangangailangan. At

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01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:40,900
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: yun pong kung yun talagang limitadong budget at napag

1203
01:14:40,900 --> 01:14:42,120
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: -diskusyonan.

1204
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:51,920
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Ito talaga yung budget. Alam lang po sana natin yung talagang pangangailangan sa baba, which is yun po yung

1205
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,520
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: pinakamahalaga na yung

1206
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,860
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: bottom-up and top-down ay

1207
01:14:57,860 --> 01:15:01,020
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: nagkakaisa

1208
01:15:01,020 --> 01:15:07,620
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: sa ating budget process. So, parang, Mr. Chair, there's

1209
01:15:07,620 --> 01:15:14,340
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: an observation and I'm identifying that this gap, this blind spot, needs to be rectified

1210
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:17,260
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: para

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01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:33,140
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: talagang yung trabaho natin, yung implement ng executive, ay base sa baseline needs, objectives, at sinusukat natin dapat ang performance ng bawat ahensya in relation

1212
01:15:33,140 --> 01:15:39,260
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: to yung mga LGU performances natin. Yun po yung first question, Mr. Chair.

1213
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:43,020
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. Sec. Kim, please reply.

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01:15:43,420 --> 01:15:50,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, pagamat po merong isang budget form, yun po yung tinatawag na Form C na dapat pong

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01:15:50,820 --> 01:15:59,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in-accomplish ng mga Regional Development Council para masiguro na yun pong mga proposal ay talagang dumaan at nabet ng mga RDC,

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01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:03,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we acknowledge po yung naging observation po ng ating Good

1217
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:09,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Congresswoman from Bataan at isa po ito sa nakikita sa emerging po naming findings din.

1218
01:16:09,140 --> 01:16:12,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kasi hindi po natapos dun sa paglalagay. Nung form,

1219
01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:15,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung aming pong pagsiguro na align po yung ating NEP sa

1220
01:16:15,980 --> 01:16:23,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pangangailangan po ng ating mga kababayan. Kaya po ngayon, ongoing po yung aming pakikipag-ugnayan sa Dep-Dev kung

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01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:28,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: papaano pa po natin ma-link further, mas ma-improve yung linkage ng planning and budgeting.

1222
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kasama na po dyan, pati po yung pag-harmonize nung calendar,

1223
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:40,660
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: both ng investment programming at ng budgeting, at yung pag-harmonize po nung dalawa po naming submission portal

1224
01:16:41,980 --> 01:16:43,880
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ng sa gayon ay magkaroon

1225
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:51,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po ng seamless o ma-harmonize po yung dalawa naming portal sa pag-investment programming and budget

1226
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:59,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: preparation. So, ilan lang po yan, Your Honor, sa mga ongoing measures that we hope that we can implement in the next budget cycle, Your Honor.

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01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:01,500
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank

1228
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:04,520
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: you, Sec. Kim. Cong. Gila, please, you may continue.

1229
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,280
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Follow-up question po, Sec. So, currently,

1230
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:24,900
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: natutuwa po ako na narecognize din. Ito sa discussions nyo with the regional Dep-Devs and regional directors. Pero currently po, may we inquire, sino

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01:17:24,900 --> 01:17:26,760
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: po yung sa

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01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,380
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: ngayon nagsiset ng ceiling, sino po sa ngayon

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01:17:30,380 --> 01:17:31,320
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: yung

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01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,280
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: nag-a-approve nung

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01:17:34,280 --> 01:18:07,420
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: ano yung naipasa sa Regional Development Council? Because I believe, at least sa Central Luzon po, I know na on-time po yung submission sa kalendar, on-time po yung approval ng Regional Development Council for the budget call for the next year. So, parang yun nga pong gap na sino po yung nagde-determine ng ceiling, bawat ahensya, bawat region, bawat lalawigan, and ano yung mga proyekto na lalabas po sa NEP?

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01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:09,520
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec.

1237
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:10,520
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kim, please, you reply

1238
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:17,830
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, sa ngayon po, under the... budget call for this 2027 budget, ang ceiling po lamang ay per

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01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:19,490
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: department or per agency.

1240
01:18:19,890 --> 01:18:27,550
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At gayon din po, ang nagde-determine po kung anong projects yung ultimately makakasama sa agency proposal papunt ng DBM ay

1241
01:18:27,550 --> 01:18:35,530
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung agency central offices. Kaya po, isa po ito sa emerging na napag-uusapan po ng DBM at ng Dep-Dev, kung ma-harmonize po yung

1242
01:18:35,530 --> 01:18:39,210
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget calendar at ma-move po yung pag-issue ng ceiling earlier,

1243
01:18:39,570 --> 01:18:41,290
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maaari pong magamit ng

1244
01:18:41,290 --> 01:18:47,650
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agency central offices, yung ceiling, para makapagbigay din po kahit papano ng indicative amount na

1245
01:18:47,650 --> 01:18:51,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maaaring ma-allocate po sa bawat isang Regional Development Council. So, isa po yan,

1246
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:59,770
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, sa kinukonsider po natin ngayon na improvement between investment programming and budgeting.

1247
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Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Mr. Chair, just a manifestation bago po yung susunod ko pong katanungan. So, isa lang po siguro na pagpuna dito

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Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: sa...

1249
01:19:13,450 --> 01:19:15,570
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: gap na ito na

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01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:18,090
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: matagal

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Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: na naman po natin ginagawa yung ating budget call, yung process and timelines po ay nakakalendaryo

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Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: at nakakapanghinayang lang po na kung sakali masyadong centralized po yung pag-tugon sa pangangailangan na nanggaling po sa mga

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Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: barangay, sa mga munisipyo, sa mga probinsya.

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Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: At

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01:19:41,310 --> 01:19:47,490
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: sana po ay... Hindi ko po alam ngayon, 2027 or sa 2028 po, sana po ay

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01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:50,890
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: maganap po natin at matugunan na itong malaking

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01:19:50,890 --> 01:19:53,890
Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: discrepancy na ito.

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Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Mr. Chair, last question lang, kung pwede.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Your time is up, Cong.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Gila.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pwede pang next round.

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Rep. Maria Angela S. Garcia: Sige po, may I request for a second round.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, thank you, Cong. Gila.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, may... will Sec. Kim reply to the last comment to Cong. Gila.

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01:20:16,030 --> 01:20:17,450
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, wala nang comment.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay, thank you. So,

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: let's move to the next...

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair?

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ah yes Sec. Arsi

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: May I add just on my colleague's

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: response? And I think it is a very good question.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Indeed, just to put

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: context,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of the RDC priorities identified at the...

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: various regional levels,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of those priorities, about

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 30 to 35 percent are

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reflected in the GAA when

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the GAA comes. So, it's a bit low. And

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hence, what my colleague mentioned, that

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are strengthening the harmonization of the

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01:21:11,710 --> 01:21:14,510
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: RDC investment programming and

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the...

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: budgeting at the Central and DBM offices so that we can

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: improve that

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: proportion.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think that if we can hit 66 percent man lang,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that will be a major improvement.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you very much,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Tech RC, for that. And if I may add,

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01:21:40,420 --> 01:21:43,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: kasama po ito dun sa bill ngayon, yung budget code,

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01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to codify everything and to... like what Sec. Kim said,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: really organize the calendar para talaga ma-harmonize yun lahat.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, thank you.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Next, on our list, we go back to our colleagues in the minority.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May I call on Congresswoman Iris Montes.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Ilang katanungan lamang mula sa kababaihan, kabaligatan para sa kapakanan at kaunlaran ng bayan, particularly po sa DBM.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: The government has repeatedly committed to strengthening the universal health care.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: How much of the 2027 budget is actually directed towards expanding health financing and health service capacity rather than maintaining existing programs?

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim?

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01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:48,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, for the 2027 National Expenditure Program,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: a total of P362.73 billion, is provided to the health sector to

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: support the implementation of the UHC Act. Ito po ay nahahati sa allocation of the Department

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of Health na 270.98,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: gayon din po sa 74.45 billion na ating subsidy sa

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Philippine Health Insurance Corporation.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Maraming salamat.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: So, ibig sabihin po, given your answer, I would like to assume that the government will still again rely on the members' contribution of PhilHealth

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01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:28,550
Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: and... and the

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: share from sin taxes. Ito po yata yung 74.5 na sinasabi ninyo. Ang sunod ko pong tanong, will there be no other additional allocations through the national budget that will be given to PhilHealth?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, your honor, actually, for PhilHealth po, sa PhilHealth na po natin ibinigay yung karagdagang allocation for the expansion of the

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Zero Balance Billing Program to cover not only national hospitals but also amongst local hospitals, local government units. But ito pong figure, ma'am,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, is on the GAA levels

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: alone. Hindi pa po kasama dito yung Corporate Operating Budget ng PhilHealth for 2027.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: That's included in the 74.45 billion. Is that correct?

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01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,560
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor. That's only the GAA subsidy to PhilHealth.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: But the GAA subsidy, the 74.4 is coming from the sin tax collection. Is that correct also?

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01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor.

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01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:48,020
Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: So in other words, aside from the sin tax collection, wala pong additional from the national government. Kasi mandated naman po ito ng batas eh. Ano po, tama. For the information of the Secretary, last budget hearing,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: nagkwentahan po kami on the floor exactly magkano ang kakulangan ng national government sa PhilHealth, sa share ng sin taxes. In the proper time, Mr. Chair, sa proper time, magkikwentahan po ulit tayo, Secretary. Thank you. Moving

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: on to the next question. Para naman po ulit ito sa...

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Sorry ha, nawala.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: My next question would be for the DBM na lang ulit.

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01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:39,020
Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: The DBCC itself admitted that corruption heavily impacted on our economic growth. So, aside from nabanggit niyo po earlier on

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: infrastructure projects na gaginawanin niyong bago katulad ng

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: pagsisiguro na complete, may readiness yung project, complete yung documents, what other reforms have the DBM instituted para hindi po maulit ang mga korupsyon at mga wastage ng public funds na nangyari in the past several years?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, bukod po doon sa mas  masusing pagsusuri po na ginawa natin sa mga proposal which is primary reform po na masasabi natin. Dahil doon pa lang po

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: masisiguro natin na hindi,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maiiwasan na maging ghost projects po.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Marami pa pong mga nakaabang na reform kapagka nagsimula na po tayong mag

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -implement. So, kasama na po dyan yung early procurement. Dahil isa po sa naging

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: suliranin natin ngayon ay dahil late po na-implement yung mga infrastructure projects, naka-apekto po ito. Sa ating economic activities during the first half.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: During the procurement po, hindi lang po early procurement,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa ilalim po ng new government procurement act, mas bukas po yung ating mga

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: procurement activities. Kasama po dyan yung pag-livestream ng ating mga

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: procurement activities, pagpo-post po ng lahat ng detalye ng ating mga procurement upang mas masubaybayan po ng ating mga kababayan at ng ating mga kasama, even sa civil society. Lahat

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po ng ating mga procurement activities. In terms of transparency, Your Honor,

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01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:12,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tayo po sa DBM ay

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01:27:12,820 --> 01:27:16,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: patuloy po natin ginagawa yung agency performance review.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Inulunsa din po natin yung DBM Compass, which you can access po at compass.dbm.gov.ph kung saan masusubaybayan po natin ang

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bawat isang release ng allotment.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po ay

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: isusupplement naman ng tinatawag naming project dime, kung

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: saan hindi lamang po kami magre-rely on documentary submission na accomplishment report,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lalo na po sa ating mga infrastructure projects. Gagamit po tayo ng teknolohiya,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: satellite imagery, upang ma-validate kung yung talaga pong na-report ay accomplished, ay talaga pong nagawa at nakikita sa ating mga satellite images, Your Honor.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Maraming salamat po. That leads me to my next question.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Para sa DepDev dito, because in your handouts, sa handout po ng DepDev you

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: made the listing of the priority bills that you want Congress to support or pass with regard to corruption and transparency and governance.

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01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:30,520
Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Curiously po, hindi po nakapaloob doon, wala po doon yung Cadena Act. Hindi po ba supportive ang DepDev sa Cadena Act?

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Also, I would also want to direct that question to the DBM because to my mind, yung if we are to talk about transparency, more than that, yung Cadena pa, it will ensure citizen participation. So, hindi po ba ninyo nire-recommend ang

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Cadena Act as one of your reforms na gustong isunong?

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01:28:57,330 --> 01:29:04,120
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair, the list of measures that I flashed this morning, is

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a partial list.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: From the

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: point of view of

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: economic development, those are the ones that we believe will

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: help

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: us recover quickly.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But the LEDAC has a longer list of

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: over

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 50 measures,

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and and

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Cadena is one of those. So, I think that we

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: continue to push for that, Mr.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, And I think that's an important

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: measure.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Thank you, Secretary. May I now ask the Secretary of DBM? Kasi may mga nabanggit po siya kanina. I asked earlier, what reforms have have you made in the budget process this time? So, what is your take on the Cadena Act?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, while we echo the statement of the Secretary of DepDev that it's still indeed in the list,

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01:30:02,350 --> 01:30:05,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tayo po naman, whatever modality na

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: available or technology, ay atin pong lahat pinukonsidera para lalo pong mapalakas yung transparency ng ating budget. Isa lamang din po dun sa ating consideration would be the

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: applicability of technology and access of all the government agencies. Dahil alam naman po natin,

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01:30:22,860 --> 01:30:31,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as an archipelagic nation, minsan lalo po kapag ka ganitong umuulan, naaapektuhan naapektuhan po yung ating signal, etc., et cetera, and internet access.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, we have to consider all of this,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: para po masiguro na yung mapipili po natin na final na platform would be usable, reliable, at accessible po para sa lahat.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Thank you, Secretary De Leon.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: My next question, madami po pa sana, Mr. Chair, pero last ko na lang po ito. For the DOF,

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: in your handout also, na it ano lang po ako, it says there, yung last page

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: ng inyong handout, our national budget can work

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: harder when we invest in high multiplier programs and projects that create lasting economic value.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Can you please be specific what example or two perhaps of your proposed, in the proposed 2027 budget? Can, will really create lasting economic value?

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, I

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think the specific example to your question would have to be infrastructure.

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: For several reasons, infrastructure projects

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: have the highest multiplier effect,

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: meaning for every peso we spend on

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: infrastructure, there's a

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: multiplier effect of probably three to six times.

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And also, infrastructure leaves

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: a lasting

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: legacy, if you will, that can be used by future generations for a long period

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: of time.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: Last na po, Mr. Chair. Halimbawa po, ano pong mga specific infrastructure projects that we have for the 2027 budget?

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The rails, for example.

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The Metro Manila...

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Line,

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the north-south commuter line, and of course, numerous DPWH projects,

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: but I'm not, I wouldn't know the specifics.

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Rep. Iris Marie Demesa Montes: That would be all for now, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you.

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01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Next to interpolate, Representative Albert Garcia.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Madam Chair, and good afternoon once again to our DBCC family.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Just a few questions, Madam Chair, na gusto ko lang ng konting kalinawan

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, as we all know, and based on the JICA study, we are losing 3.5 billion pesos a day.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, ngayon po, maghahapon na, just

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01:33:06,380 --> 01:33:08,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: like that, we lost 3.5

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01:33:08,220 --> 01:33:10,140
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: billion pesos based

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: on the study.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Because of traffic, congestion, time wasted, work-life balance compromised, pollution, and so on and so forth. So, na-measure po ito ng JICA to the tune of 3.5 billion. 3.5 billion pesos a day.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And if it's not solved or addressed by 2030, it

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: will rise up to 5.4 billion pesos a day.

1415
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:36,320
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, ganun po, kagrabe po ito.

1416
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:41,800
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And ang total po niyan sa isang taon is around 1.2 trillion.

1417
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:47,660
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, I guess, Madam Chair, yun na po yung pinag-uusapan nating capital outlay.

1418
01:33:48,540 --> 01:33:51,700
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kasi yung PS, hindi na naman natin pwedeng galawin.

1419
01:33:53,180 --> 01:33:54,800
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, with MOE.

1420
01:33:55,450 --> 01:33:59,660
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, ito na po lahat na negate lang nitong losses per day.

1421
01:34:00,350 --> 01:34:05,020
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And to date, just to give you a context,

1422
01:34:06,210 --> 01:34:14,380
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: in-add po natin to date, ang nawala na po sa ating ekonomiya is 13.7 trillion pesos.

1423
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:19,460
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Double our existing national

1424
01:34:19,460 --> 01:34:21,200
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: budget. Ganun po, kagrabe.

1425
01:34:21,670 --> 01:34:32,680
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And since kayo... Kayo po yung economic managers, I want to ask, what are we doing to address this? Nang sa ganun, ay hindi na umabot ng 5.4 billion pesos a day.

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01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:34,240
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair.

1427
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:46,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor, parahin malaking bahagi po nung loss na yun ay productivity loss due to, of course, as we know, traffic in

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01:34:46,060 --> 01:34:55,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: rapidly urbanizing areas. Kaya naman po, kung papansin po natin sa ating National Expenditure Program, talagang priority po yung investment natin for

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01:34:55,120 --> 01:35:00,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: more available transportation options para sa ating mga kababayan,

1430
01:35:00,140 --> 01:35:03,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mass transportation options para sa mga urbanizing area,

1431
01:35:03,860 --> 01:35:21,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: urban and urbanizing area, hindi lamang po sa NCR, kundi maging po sa mga karatig region, gayon din po may investment din tayo for mass transportation sa Visayas and Mindanao. So, ito rin naman po ang direktiba ng Presidente na masiguro na matapos,

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01:35:22,740 --> 01:35:23,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: na

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01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: practical yung mga

1434
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:39,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proyektong ito upang agad pong mapakinabangan ng mga kababayan natin at makabawas po doon sa nabanggit po ng kagalang-galang na kinatawa ng mga productivity loss due to traffic, among many others, Madam Chair.

1435
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:41,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Thank you, Madam Chair.

1436
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:53,760
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pero ang strategy po natin to build more in the urban area and the more we build, the more we create traffic. We build on top. We build under.

1437
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,840
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Dapat tinitignan din po natin yung periphery.

1438
01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:03,420
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, how we can manage the traffic or the congestion even

1439
01:36:03,420 --> 01:36:04,980
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: better? Kasi puro linear.

1440
01:36:06,220 --> 01:36:06,860
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So,

1441
01:36:06,860 --> 01:36:10,560
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: may I ask for a reply, Madam Chair?

1442
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:13,700
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: May I, Mr.

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01:36:13,980 --> 01:36:14,160
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair?

1444
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:23,600
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The overall plan is to improve the connectivity. So, the

1445
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:30,780
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: country, both physical and digital. Connectivity meaning connecting our rapidly

1446
01:36:30,780 --> 01:36:35,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: urbanizing or highly urbanized areas to other

1447
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:39,100
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: areas, particularly lagging areas of the country. And

1448
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:43,600
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that may involve mass transit as a focus, for example.

1449
01:36:44,770 --> 01:36:45,160
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And

1450
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:49,160
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that will allow mobility

1451
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,980
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: at lesser cost for both. For

1452
01:36:52,980 --> 01:36:56,800
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: people and the movement of goods and services.

1453
01:36:57,420 --> 01:36:58,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, the

1454
01:36:58,540 --> 01:37:00,580
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: law

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01:37:00,580 --> 01:37:02,960
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that you just passed, which created the

1456
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:07,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: DEPDEM, and we

1457
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,980
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: are that agency, Mr. Chair,

1458
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:23,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: entrusted us to coordinate the development of a long-term master plan for infrastructure, especially transport infrastructure. So, we are working closely with... our

1459
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:29,240
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: transport agencies, our infrastructure agencies, like DOTR and DPWH, for

1460
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,760
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the development of that long-term master plan for

1461
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:34,180
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: infrastructure.

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01:37:35,820 --> 01:37:37,340
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Thank you, Madam Chair.

1463
01:37:37,740 --> 01:37:42,860
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Just for a suggestion, aside from building

1464
01:37:42,860 --> 01:37:52,520
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: linear north-south, let's also consider east-west para off the overly beaten path, so to speak, at

1465
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:53,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: mas ma

1466
01:37:53,220 --> 01:37:55,440
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: -divert

1467
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:59,420
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: natin yung traffic from the overly congested

1468
01:37:59,420 --> 01:38:02,100
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: north and south, especially in Metro Manila.

1469
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,460
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And, Madam Chair, very quickly,

1470
01:38:05,620 --> 01:38:11,360
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: in the spirit of first principles thinking in solving a problem,

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: alam po ba natin kung ano talaga ang root cause nitong problema na itong 3.5 billion pesos a day of losses?

1472
01:38:24,970 --> 01:38:29,290
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yeah, Mr. Chair. As I said, I think the

1473
01:38:29,290 --> 01:38:36,990
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: underdevelopment of our connectivity infrastructure is key.

1474
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:40,010
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's so well known that we have

1475
01:38:40,010 --> 01:38:45,230
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: severely underinvested in infrastructure,

1476
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:47,290
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: particularly mass transit.

1477
01:38:49,330 --> 01:38:55,350
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, we should have developed mass transit long ago, but we

1478
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:56,910
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: preferred instead to develop...

1479
01:38:58,230 --> 01:39:02,830
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: highways and more roads. So,

1480
01:39:02,890 --> 01:39:13,770
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that allowed the rapid growth of regions like NCR and prevented the

1481
01:39:13,770 --> 01:39:18,670
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: concentration of growth, as well as

1482
01:39:18,670 --> 01:39:24,350
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: hindering the development of other growth areas.

1483
01:39:25,130 --> 01:39:26,810
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: There is no...

1484
01:39:28,910 --> 01:39:31,970
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reason why other

1485
01:39:31,970 --> 01:39:46,930
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: regions, other areas of the country should not grow as fast as Metro Manila if we build a proper ecosystem for these areas. So, the rapid migration to Metro Manila contributed part

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01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:52,670
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of that problem, and then we failed to develop the mass transit that compounded the problem.

1487
01:39:53,570 --> 01:39:54,150
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, the

1488
01:39:54,150 --> 01:40:01,310
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: trust of our development plan, our long-term vision, as well as the PDP, is to

1489
01:40:01,310 --> 01:40:04,910
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: build that connectivity so that

1490
01:40:04,910 --> 01:40:14,570
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: growing areas, rapidly growing areas, are connected with lagging areas so that there will be more inclusive development across the country.

1491
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:23,330
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Sec. Arsi. I think, in my humble opinion, you hit the nail right on the head.

1492
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:28,530
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: It is the in-country migration that is unmanaged. So,

1493
01:40:28,650 --> 01:40:29,150
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: do

1494
01:40:29,150 --> 01:40:31,050
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we have any plan to

1495
01:40:31,050 --> 01:40:34,470
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: manage the in-country migration, aside from growing the regions?

1496
01:40:34,910 --> 01:40:36,170
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Because it

1497
01:40:36,170 --> 01:40:43,570
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: will take time to grow the regions. In the meantime, people are looking for jobs, so they go to the center, aside from growing abroad.

1498
01:40:44,530 --> 01:40:45,090
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So,

1499
01:40:45,090 --> 01:40:48,950
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: in the meantime that we're developing the infra, which will take a

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01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:50,850
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: lot of time, mayroon ba tayong

1501
01:40:50,850 --> 01:40:59,490
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: plan to manage the in-country migration that really contributed? To the 3.5 billion pesos a day?

1502
01:41:00,210 --> 01:41:07,730
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think we can start with a few areas that have so much potential for rapid

1503
01:41:07,730 --> 01:41:11,210
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: economic growth so that people

1504
01:41:11,210 --> 01:41:15,470
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: don't have to come to Metro Manila as a final

1505
01:41:15,470 --> 01:41:16,410
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: destination for

1506
01:41:16,410 --> 01:41:18,210
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: jobs. For

1507
01:41:18,210 --> 01:41:19,650
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: example, I

1508
01:41:19,650 --> 01:41:22,650
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: look at Iloilo, I look at Cebu, I look at

1509
01:41:22,650 --> 01:41:24,290
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Bohol,

1510
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:30,790
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Pangasinan. There are many of those. Bataan, of course, is a high potential, especially once

1511
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:33,950
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you complete that Cavite-Bataan bridge. I

1512
01:41:33,950 --> 01:41:37,770
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think Bataan will be a magnet for investment.

1513
01:41:38,910 --> 01:41:44,070
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, I think the good news, Mr. Chair, is that

1514
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:50,650
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: population growth has actually come down substantially and fertility is now just 1

1515
01:41:50,650 --> 01:41:52,810
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: .7, I think, or

1516
01:41:52,810 --> 01:41:53,470
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 1.9?

1517
01:41:53,630 --> 01:41:56,470
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 1.7. 1 And.7. so, there

1518
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:59,672
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is now much less... There is less pressure for

1519
01:41:59,672 --> 01:42:05,030
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: migration than, say, 10 years ago because of that rapid

1520
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:07,250
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: decline or population growth.

1521
01:42:09,930 --> 01:42:11,270
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam

1522
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:13,950
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Chair. Thank you, Sec. Arsi. I'm looking forward to

1523
01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:16,830
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: those

1524
01:42:16,830 --> 01:42:22,350
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: plans to really control or manage the in-country migration while we're

1525
01:42:22,350 --> 01:42:26,910
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: growing the regions so that they don't have to go to OFW or

1526
01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:29,650
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: migrate to Metro.

1527
01:42:29,730 --> 01:42:34,530
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Next question, po, is regarding our foreign assisted,

1528
01:42:35,250 --> 01:42:41,550
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: yung mga ODAs. Aside from the commitment fees, ang dami pong na-delay.

1529
01:42:43,810 --> 01:42:44,530
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And

1530
01:42:44,530 --> 01:42:49,630
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: may penalties po ba tayo doon? Kanina sinabi ni Sec. Dec na

1531
01:42:49,630 --> 01:43:02,830
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: it's lodged to those agencies, the OTR, the BWH. So, they pay or we pay penalties because of the long delays of our ODAs or foreign assisted projects?

1532
01:43:03,970 --> 01:43:04,990
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair,

1533
01:43:05,190 --> 01:43:11,090
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: yeah, I did mention earlier that I believe it would be in the implementing agencies'

1534
01:43:11,650 --> 01:43:19,810
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: contracts with their service providers or their contractors that might include a penalty clause if projects are delayed.

1535
01:43:20,650 --> 01:43:22,030
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But the more...

1536
01:43:23,930 --> 01:43:24,610
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: What's

1537
01:43:24,610 --> 01:43:28,490
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: more obvious that always happens when a project is delayed is

1538
01:43:28,490 --> 01:43:29,910
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: that because of the the... time element,

1539
01:43:30,710 --> 01:43:32,810
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the project cost will actually go up.

1540
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:37,390
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Rather than... So, in a way, you can call it a penalty, but it's really in

1541
01:43:37,390 --> 01:43:43,030
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: another form. It's in the form of a cost overrun or additional

1542
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:44,090
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: project cost.

1543
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:47,150
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, we have witnessed that in several

1544
01:43:47,150 --> 01:43:50,170
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: flagship transportation

1545
01:43:50,170 --> 01:43:55,750
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: and DPWH projects that when the project is delayed for years, the

1546
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:57,650
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: project would actually double

1547
01:43:57,650 --> 01:43:58,610
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: in cost.

1548
01:43:59,090 --> 01:43:59,910
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But

1549
01:43:59,910 --> 01:44:01,850
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I believe the penalties might

1550
01:44:01,850 --> 01:44:05,030
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: be embedded in their contracts.

1551
01:44:06,250 --> 01:44:17,330
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, SecDec. And it would be good to know whether from DBCC or sa mga respective agencies to know the total of

1552
01:44:17,330 --> 01:44:28,250
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: penalties or yung mga project cost so that we can really study them. Kasi karamihan po ng delays are the right-of-way issues.

1553
01:44:29,710 --> 01:44:41,270
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, maybe we can re-strategize na katulad sa bottom-up budgeting which was asked by our colleagues na we

1554
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:48,210
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: propose projects that are demand-driven from the local level that are shovel-ready.

1555
01:44:48,570 --> 01:44:56,250
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, baka pwede rin gawin yun somehow with our foreign-assisted projects para hindi magkaroon ng mahabang delay.

1556
01:44:57,080 --> 01:45:00,050
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Na umabot ng 10 years, 15 years, and even more.

1557
01:45:00,190 --> 01:45:01,270
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, I

1558
01:45:01,270 --> 01:45:02,250
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: think my time is up.

1559
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:05,270
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Madam Chair, maraming salamat po. Thank you, Sec. Dec.

1560
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:07,750
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: May I just?

1561
01:45:07,870 --> 01:45:08,250
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, please.

1562
01:45:08,490 --> 01:45:11,330
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Just very quickly. Mr. Chair, ever

1563
01:45:11,330 --> 01:45:16,750
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: since I moved to the Department of Finance, I chaired investment, the ICC.

1564
01:45:17,570 --> 01:45:20,410
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: All the projects now that are coming up for approval,

1565
01:45:20,710 --> 01:45:24,250
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we actually now require that they secure the right-of-way first

1566
01:45:25,170 --> 01:45:28,710
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: because this has become, as you correctly pointed out,

1567
01:45:29,090 --> 01:45:31,510
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: this is the perennial problem of

1568
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:34,010
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the infrastructure projects. They

1569
01:45:34,010 --> 01:45:36,650
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: secure project approval first without

1570
01:45:36,650 --> 01:45:37,950
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: securing the right-of-way.

1571
01:45:38,130 --> 01:45:41,890
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, now we have corrected that sequence. So, we

1572
01:45:41,890 --> 01:45:43,170
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: require the right-of-way first

1573
01:45:43,170 --> 01:45:45,970
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: before the project approval. Thank you.

1574
01:45:46,570 --> 01:45:47,210
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yeah.

1575
01:45:47,870 --> 01:45:55,730
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Well, I thank for that strategic decision done by the ICC, chaired by SecDec. Maraming salamat po.

1576
01:45:56,310 --> 01:46:02,710
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And siguro doon na lang, if kung meron man lang tayong mabigay na amounts, yung cumulative delays.

1577
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:09,230
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maybe the committee can receive that for the benefit

1578
01:46:09,230 --> 01:46:09,870
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: of the members.

1579
01:46:10,490 --> 01:46:11,910
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, SecDec.

1580
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:14,840
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair.

1581
01:46:16,500 --> 01:46:20,320
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Next, to interpelate, Representative Percival Cendaña

1582
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,100
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Thank you, Madam Chair. Good afternoon, everyone.

1583
01:46:24,780 --> 01:46:28,340
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Madam Chair, before we discuss the details of the budget,

1584
01:46:28,660 --> 01:46:36,160
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: I think it is important for us in Congress to understand the fiscal story behind this 7.2 trillion proposal.

1585
01:46:37,260 --> 01:46:41,060
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: The numbers before us today are materially different from

1586
01:46:41,060 --> 01:46:44,580
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: what DBCC presented to Congress only a year ago.

1587
01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:47,600
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Growth expectations have been lowered.

1588
01:46:47,980 --> 01:46:49,980
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: The projected deficit is higher.

1589
01:46:50,300 --> 01:46:59,960
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Revenue expectations have been reduced. Interest payments have crossed 1.1 trillion. And the composition of expenditure appears to be lower.

1590
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:02,680
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: So,

1591
01:47:02,700 --> 01:47:07,880
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: our job is not merely to ask whether 7.2 trillion is enough. We

1592
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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: need to ask whether the assumptions are credible, whether the priorities are correct, and whether taxpayers are receiving sufficient value for every additional peso government spends or borrows. The question Congress must answer is simple.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Given our limited fiscal space, who gets the money? What

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: are we sacrificing to finance it? And what evidence tells us that these are the right choices?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: To say that the fiscal space is narrow is an understatement. I'm sure our economic managers will share this sentiment. But that's for another set of questions. Let me begin with last

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01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:56,600
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: year, DBCC told Congress that the economy could grow by 6 to 7 percent in

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: 2027. You

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01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,279
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: are now projecting only 5 to 6

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: percent. What specifically changed? And I'll also throw in my follow-up question because of the limited time. How much of the downgrade is attributable to external conditions and how much reflects domestic factors such as weak investment, agricultural performance, infrastructure implementation, consumption, or government underspending?

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: If growth is only 4 percent in 2027, what happens to revenue, the deficit, and the debt-to-GDP ratio?

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01:49:02,090 --> 01:49:04,570
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Compared to last year, who

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01:49:04,570 --> 01:49:06,490
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: would have expected that we'd have a

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01:49:06,490 --> 01:49:08,130
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Middle East conflict?

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01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:12,130
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Who would have expected that global trade

1605
01:49:12,130 --> 01:49:13,390
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: uncertainty would

1606
01:49:13,390 --> 01:49:18,550
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: suddenly skyrocket because of these

1607
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: changes

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01:49:20,130 --> 01:49:23,750
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in tariff by the

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01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:24,910
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: U.S. government, for example?

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01:49:25,190 --> 01:49:25,890
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And

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01:49:25,890 --> 01:49:29,450
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: all these geopolitical tensions that are happening.

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01:49:29,710 --> 01:49:31,790
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So we needed to

1613
01:49:33,010 --> 01:49:37,990
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: make our growth targets realistic and our

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01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:45,330
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: approach to addressing our problems more realistic. We believe that even

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01:49:45,330 --> 01:49:50,430
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: though the growth is less next year compared to what we

1616
01:49:50,430 --> 01:49:52,690
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: targeted earlier,

1617
01:49:53,070 --> 01:49:56,830
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: this kind of growth is going to be one

1618
01:49:56,830 --> 01:49:59,370
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that is enduring, meaning that

1619
01:50:00,490 --> 01:50:01,310
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: while

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01:50:01,310 --> 01:50:06,190
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: it's lower, we are building a stronger foundation for a faster growth

1621
01:50:06,190 --> 01:50:10,970
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in the succeeding years. We can't be irresponsible by

1622
01:50:10,970 --> 01:50:11,890
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: trying

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01:50:11,890 --> 01:50:15,110
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to drive high growth when the fundamentals will

1624
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: not support it. That can lead us to even worse problems like the

1625
01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:23,990
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: deficit that you just mentioned, Mr.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair.

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Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Is there a response to my last question about if the growth is only 4 percent in 2027, what

1628
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:38,980
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: happens to revenue, the deficit,

1629
01:50:39,140 --> 01:50:40,720
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: and the debt-to-GDP ratio?

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01:50:42,060 --> 01:50:43,420
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: The DOF, perhaps.

1631
01:50:45,790 --> 01:50:47,570
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you, Mr. Chair, Your Honor.

1632
01:50:48,510 --> 01:50:52,510
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think the answer to your question is

1633
01:50:52,510 --> 01:50:56,050
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: if the GDP assumptions are reduced,

1634
01:50:56,450 --> 01:51:00,870
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the assumptions for tax revenues will also

1635
01:51:00,870 --> 01:51:02,030
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: be reduced as well,

1636
01:51:02,190 --> 01:51:05,670
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: proportionately to the reduction

1637
01:51:05,670 --> 01:51:15,890
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: or changes in the macro-economic assumptions. So, Your Honor, if I may just point out there are several macroeconomic assumptions that we that

1638
01:51:15,890 --> 01:51:21,250
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we take from to come up with our revenue projections. Among

1639
01:51:21,250 --> 01:51:23,050
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: them are inflation rate,

1640
01:51:24,570 --> 01:51:26,350
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: real GDP growth rate,

1641
01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:37,810
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: borrowing rate, foreign exchange rate. I think you correctly noticed that if the GDP growth assumptions,

1642
01:51:38,650 --> 01:51:39,270
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: are lowered,

1643
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: then our revenue numbers are likewise lowered, proportionately.

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01:51:45,690 --> 01:51:51,070
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Madam Chair, may the committee please direct the DBCC to submit a downside

1645
01:51:51,070 --> 01:52:07,070
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: macroeconomic scenario showing the physical consequences of a 4 GDP growth, 65 peso to a dollar exchange rate, higher oil prices and interest rates, 100 basis points above baseline. Madam Chair, can we request the DBCC?

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01:52:07,070 --> 01:52:07,210
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, the

1647
01:52:07,210 --> 01:52:13,390
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: DBCC is so directed. Please submit the documents requested by

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01:52:14,350 --> 01:52:15,250
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong Perci.

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01:52:15,770 --> 01:52:17,170
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

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01:52:17,690 --> 01:52:22,190
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Ganun pa rin po yung kwento, no? Yung iba yung kwento last year, iba dun sa kwento this year.

1651
01:52:22,510 --> 01:52:28,370
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Last year, you told Congress that the deficit would fall to 4.8 of GDP by 2027.

1652
01:52:28,910 --> 01:52:32,230
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Now you are saying 5.1%. Why

1653
01:52:32,230 --> 01:52:34,430
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: has fiscal consolidation been pushed back?

1654
01:52:36,740 --> 01:52:50,620
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: And if I may also throw in my follow-up question just to be sure that I'll be able to cover the questions, how many times can government revise the fiscal consolidation path before Congress should conclude that the original target is no longer credible?

1655
01:52:51,380 --> 01:52:54,980
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: What is the government's actual medium term fiscal anchor?

1656
01:52:55,500 --> 01:52:57,060
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Mr. Chair, to

1657
01:52:59,490 --> 01:53:00,050
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: the DOF.

1658
01:53:03,530 --> 01:53:06,610
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, actually the

1659
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:12,710
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: way it works is the DBCC meets two times a year. And

1660
01:53:12,710 --> 01:53:21,190
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: every time the DBCC meets, the members of the DBCC, namely DEBDEV, DBM, DOF, and the Office of the President,

1661
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:26,130
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: discuss all the macroeconomic assumptions that will be used to

1662
01:53:26,130 --> 01:53:27,210
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: come up with the budget

1663
01:53:28,570 --> 01:53:30,390
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: changes, if you will.

1664
01:53:30,910 --> 01:53:31,510
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So,

1665
01:53:33,230 --> 01:53:33,530
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the

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01:53:35,050 --> 01:53:35,650
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: when

1667
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:42,750
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the war in Iran or the closure of the Strait of Hormuz happened,

1668
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,910
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: it had a severe impact to

1669
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:47,150
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: our inflation rate.

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01:53:47,850 --> 01:53:51,290
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We were projecting an inflation rate of 3 to 4 percent.

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01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:54,030
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: It jumped to over

1672
01:53:54,030 --> 01:53:54,850
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 6 percent.

1673
01:53:55,170 --> 01:54:01,610
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And therefore, real GDP, instead of we expected it to grow by 5

1674
01:54:01,610 --> 01:54:05,470
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to 6 percent, instead only grew by 2.8

1675
01:54:05,470 --> 01:54:05,890
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: percent.

1676
01:54:06,150 --> 01:54:11,090
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, the technical working group of the DBCC had to take into account the reality.

1677
01:54:11,850 --> 01:54:12,230
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Of

1678
01:54:12,230 --> 01:54:14,150
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the situation that

1679
01:54:15,870 --> 01:54:19,070
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: previous macroeconomic assumptions no longer hold.

1680
01:54:19,370 --> 01:54:22,990
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, in coming up with the BESF of 2027,

1681
01:54:23,690 --> 01:54:25,130
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we had to

1682
01:54:25,930 --> 01:54:27,350
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: follow the new

1683
01:54:27,350 --> 01:54:30,870
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: macroeconomic assumptions that were produced

1684
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:32,430
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: by DEBDEV

1685
01:54:32,430 --> 01:54:35,250
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: and DBM. Then we do the revenue side.

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01:54:36,590 --> 01:54:42,650
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Again, may the committee please direct the DBCC to submit a

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01:54:42,650 --> 01:54:46,370
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: reconciliation of the 2025, 2026, and

1688
01:54:46,370 --> 01:54:50,370
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: 2027 BESF medium-term fiscal program,

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01:54:50,590 --> 01:54:52,790
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: showing why each major forecast changed.

1690
01:54:54,130 --> 01:54:56,310
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: The DBCC is so directed.

1691
01:54:56,850 --> 01:54:57,690
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you.

1692
01:54:59,230 --> 01:54:59,910
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: I

1693
01:54:59,910 --> 01:55:05,570
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: still have a minute and 38 seconds. Again, doon po sa kwentong iba last year sa kwento this year, no?

1694
01:55:05,670 --> 01:55:11,030
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: You previously expected 5.366 trillion in revenues for 2027.

1695
01:55:11,850 --> 01:55:14,850
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: You now expect only 5.206

1696
01:55:14,850 --> 01:55:15,190
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: trillion.

1697
01:55:15,610 --> 01:55:19,650
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Where did we lose approximately 161 billion?

1698
01:55:22,010 --> 01:55:23,870
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, the answer is

1699
01:55:25,470 --> 01:55:29,250
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: similar to what I said earlier. If the GDP drops

1700
01:55:29,250 --> 01:55:29,730
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: by

1701
01:55:31,790 --> 01:55:33,990
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 2.5 percentage points,

1702
01:55:34,290 --> 01:55:39,970
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: then we have to assume that the economy is slowing, which means that the tax collections of

1703
01:55:39,970 --> 01:55:42,210
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: our tax collection agencies will

1704
01:55:42,210 --> 01:55:44,250
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: also, be reduced

1705
01:55:44,970 --> 01:55:45,570
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: accordingly.

1706
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:55,970
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Having heard that, would weak revenue collection hinder the proposed adjustment on tax exemption? How about lowering of the VAT or imposing a wealth tax?

1707
01:55:57,390 --> 01:56:05,030
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, we actually have submitted to Congress a bill that we have called PROGRESS.

1708
01:56:05,850 --> 01:56:16,810
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Within PROGRESS, there are two revenue eroding measures, which is one is the increase of personal income tax from 250,000 a year to 350,000 a year.

1709
01:56:16,930 --> 01:56:19,850
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The second is to exempt micro

1710
01:56:19,850 --> 01:56:22,910
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: and small industries from minimum

1711
01:56:22,910 --> 01:56:24,330
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: corporate income tax.

1712
01:56:24,630 --> 01:56:27,550
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And in the same bill, we proposed eight

1713
01:56:27,550 --> 01:56:28,410
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: measures,

1714
01:56:28,710 --> 01:56:31,770
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: revenue enhancing measures, for your consideration.

1715
01:56:32,150 --> 01:56:33,970
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And in those eight

1716
01:56:33,970 --> 01:56:40,670
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: measures, they basically cover social, environmental, and health taxes.

1717
01:56:41,610 --> 01:56:42,310
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So if

1718
01:56:44,010 --> 01:56:52,690
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Congress approves those revenue enhancing measures, it will fully cover for the revenue eroding measures.

1719
01:56:53,570 --> 01:57:04,850
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Mr. Chair, may we direct the DBCC to submit a bridge table reconciling the old 2027 revenue forecast with the new one, Mr. Chair?

1720
01:57:05,190 --> 01:57:08,550
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes. The DBCC is so directed.

1721
01:57:09,710 --> 01:57:11,690
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Thank you. I

1722
01:57:11,690 --> 01:57:14,710
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: have a minute, I believe, Mr. Chair.

1723
01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:15,530
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That is correct.

1724
01:57:16,710 --> 01:57:22,270
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sige po, dun na po tayo sa malapit sa sikmura at sa pinagdadaanan ng mga kababayan natin araw-araw.

1725
01:57:22,730 --> 01:57:43,450
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Eto po, the functional allocation for health falls from approximately 458 billion to 362.7 billion, a decline approaching 96 billion pesos. Please identify program by program what accounts for the roughness of the revenue. The roughly 96 billion decline in health sector allocation

1726
01:57:45,630 --> 01:57:46,230
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: to

1727
01:57:46,230 --> 01:57:46,750
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: the DBM.

1728
01:57:50,580 --> 01:58:12,480
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Sige po, baka it might help in framing the answer. Dugtong ko na po yung aking kasunod na tanong. How much of this is related to PhilHealth? How much reflects one of expenditures in 2026? How much represents an actual reduction in health services? What happens to out-of-pocket health expenditures if government health financing does not keep pace with the demand?

1729
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:16,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor,

1730
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,280
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, one

1731
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:23,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of the at least two items that received when we compare the

1732
01:58:23,100 --> 01:58:25,560
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2027 NEP to the GAA

1733
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:30,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: has a decrease is the Health Facilities Enhancement Program because of the

1734
01:58:30,900 --> 01:58:34,580
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: utilization of the DOH of its 2026 allocation.

1735
01:58:35,330 --> 01:58:37,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The same is true with

1736
01:58:37,500 --> 01:58:41,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the medical

1737
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:45,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: assistance to indigent and financially incapacitated patients which

1738
01:58:45,900 --> 01:58:46,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we retained

1739
01:58:46,820 --> 01:58:49,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to the NEP level of 2026.

1740
01:58:50,140 --> 01:58:53,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But despite the decrease in allocation of the MAIFIP,

1741
01:58:53,600 --> 01:59:01,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the administration and the president has approved that the coverage of the zero balance billing program be expanded under

1742
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:04,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the PhilHealth. That's why they had an additional of

1743
01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:10,280
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 14 billion in subsidy. A notable factor as well, Your

1744
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:14,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor, Mr. Chair, on the decrease of the health sector budget is the one time

1745
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:16,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: return

1746
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:19,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: return of the 60 billion peso fund

1747
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:24,295
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: balance to PhilHealth. So that was part of the 2026 level. So

1748
01:59:24,295 --> 01:59:27,660
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hence, that's a factor when we when compare we the

1749
01:59:27,660 --> 01:59:31,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: compare the health sector health spending sector between spending the between 2026 the GAA 2026 GAA and

1750
01:59:31,680 --> 01:59:33,799
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: and the 2027 2027 NEP. Basically,

1751
01:59:33,799 --> 01:59:34,274
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: those

1752
01:59:34,274 --> 01:59:37,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Basically, three those major three major items, Your Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

1753
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:53,600
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Mr. Chair, may we direct the DBCC to submit to this committee a reconciliation of the DOH, NEP. Of PhilHealth, health facilities and medical assistance, and other health-related appropriations for 2025 to 2027, Mr. Chair.

1754
01:59:53,820 --> 01:59:54,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will provide

1755
01:59:54,340 --> 01:59:54,340
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, Cong. Perci

1756
01:59:54,340 --> 01:59:54,500
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: ...

1757
01:59:54,500 --> 01:59:54,760
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: ...

1758
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:55,040
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: ...

1759
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:55,500
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: Your Honor.

1760
01:59:55,500 --> 01:59:58,314
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: The DBCC is so directed.

1761
01:59:58,314 --> 01:59:59,118
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you

1762
01:59:59,118 --> 01:59:59,520
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: ...

1763
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:35,560
Rep. Percival "Perci" Cendaña: A very brief manifestation as my time has ended. Nakakalungkot po at nakababahala na dito sa mismong budget, kita ang pagkamanhit pagkamanhid ng gobyerno sa pinagdadaan ng hirap na ating mga mamamayan. Kung makikita po natin yung mga top losers, top five losers, pag tininan po natin yung budget ng mga ahensya, karamihan po dito ay social services na kailangan-kailangan sa panahon na ng lulunod sa taas. Mas presyo at hirap ng buhay ang ating mga kababayan. Sabi po kanina, ang DPM dapat budget makatao. Pero habang binabasa ko po ang NEP, ang aking natanong, di ba manhid? Marami pong salamat.

1764
02:00:37,140 --> 02:00:38,820
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat, Cong. Perci.

1765
02:00:40,020 --> 02:00:43,180
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Next, we go back to the majority. May

1766
02:00:43,180 --> 02:00:43,860
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on?

1767
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:46,140
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congresswoman Deth

1768
02:00:46,140 --> 02:00:47,060
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Escudero.

1769
02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:48,420
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Please go

1770
02:00:48,420 --> 02:00:49,280
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please go ahead, ma'am.

1771
02:00:50,380 --> 02:00:52,960
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Good afternoon to everyone present here today.

1772
02:00:53,500 --> 02:00:55,560
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: My question is for the DBM.

1773
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:58,640
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Mr. Secretary,

1774
02:00:58,640 --> 02:00:59,320
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: good afternoon.

1775
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:07,920
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Last year, as DOT's budget sponsor, I advocated to revise the special provisions to help augment our tourism promotion budget.

1776
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:14,220
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: If you will notice po, ang budget po ng Department of Tourism hindi

1777
02:01:14,220 --> 02:01:17,380
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: ganun kataas as compared to the other agencies. So at that time,

1778
02:01:17,460 --> 02:01:21,800
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: naghanap po ako ng ibang ways to augment the

1779
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:22,940
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: budget of the DOT.

1780
02:01:24,020 --> 02:01:27,960
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Natanong ko na rin po ito, but hindi po kami nagkaroon ng agreement with the DBM.

1781
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:33,560
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Given that the Tourism Development Fund and Tourism

1782
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:38,660
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Promotions Fund are already earmarked by law and treated as automatically appropriated in

1783
02:01:38,660 --> 02:01:42,280
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: the Special Account in the General Fund or SAGF under

1784
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:48,620
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: PD No. 1234, ang tanong ko lang po, bakit po kailangan pa ng separate budget request ng DOT bago

1785
02:01:48,620 --> 02:01:52,540
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: po ito magamit? Is the DBM simply verifying the available balance?

1786
02:01:53,540 --> 02:01:58,680
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: The purpose? Or is there another layer of approval before mabigay or ma-release ang funds?

1787
02:02:00,540 --> 02:02:13,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, for the Special Account in the General Fund, and this is applicable across all the departments naman po. Utilization of any amounts from the Special Account requires the submission of

1788
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:17,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: their respective special budget request so

1789
02:02:17,220 --> 02:02:19,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that we can determine particularly, no,

1790
02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:22,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: whether kung in

1791
02:02:22,060 --> 02:02:25,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: line po yung kanilang proposal. Yes, expenditure dun sa purpose

1792
02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:27,464
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of the Special Account

1793
02:02:27,464 --> 02:02:29,644
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as well as to check

1794
02:02:29,644 --> 02:02:32,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po because we are subjecting the

1795
02:02:32,260 --> 02:02:36,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: use of the Special Account sa atin pong fiscal programming.

1796
02:02:36,980 --> 02:02:39,580
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, in the NEP, the

1797
02:02:39,580 --> 02:02:45,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DBM has actually determined the portion of the actual balance of the SAGF that

1798
02:02:45,940 --> 02:02:52,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the agency can actually utilize during the fiscal year. So, yun lamang naman po yung gusto nating ma-determine, your honor,

1799
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:57,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa pag-requirement. wire sa agency sa pag-release nung kanilang funds from the special account?

1800
02:02:59,340 --> 02:03:03,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Can the department provide us with the actual SAGF balance,

1801
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:19,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: amount released, amount obligated, and the unreleased balance of both the Tourism Development Fund and the Tourism Promotions Fund for the last at least three years? And I think this will help us better understand whether available tourism funds can be released more efficiently.

1802
02:03:20,740 --> 02:03:22,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And also, I noticed din po,

1803
02:03:23,860 --> 02:03:28,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in the 2026 General Appropriations Act,

1804
02:03:28,220 --> 02:03:30,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: under the special provisions,

1805
02:03:30,860 --> 02:03:32,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: naka-earmark

1806
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:40,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung 1,339,608 for tourism promotion, but

1807
02:03:40,820 --> 02:03:41,180
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for

1808
02:03:43,180 --> 02:03:50,320
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2027, nagbago po yung special provision, if I'm not mistaken. So, it says that, it

1809
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:53,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: says here the amount chargeable against the SAGF in

1810
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:57,580
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: BEF Table B.15 under

1811
02:03:57,580 --> 02:03:59,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: year 2027

1812
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:14,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proposed expenditures shall be used for tourism promotions and marketing activities of the Tourism Promotions Board. Anyway, I won't read the whole thing, but wala na pong nakalagay talaga na exact amount for year 2027. May I ask po kung

1813
02:04:17,240 --> 02:04:20,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ano po yung rationale for this change in the special provisions?

1814
02:04:23,540 --> 02:04:32,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, well, number one po on the balances that is included po in Table B.15 of the BESF, the balances of December 2025.

1815
02:04:33,380 --> 02:04:37,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And that is also the reason, Madam Chair, the answer for the second question,

1816
02:04:37,880 --> 02:04:42,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: na it's just a different style of presenting the special provision. It's

1817
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:45,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: actually the same special provision, Madam, Your

1818
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:45,420
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor,

1819
02:04:45,620 --> 02:04:52,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: but the amount, instead of it being reflected as an amount, referred to the table itself. But the

1820
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:57,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: table, actually, includes the same amount which is being programmed for 2027. Ah,

1821
02:04:58,060 --> 02:04:59,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: so parehas lang po

1822
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:00,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: na amount.

1823
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:15,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For the, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, for the Tourism Development Fund,

1824
02:05:15,780 --> 02:05:18,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 4.578.

1825
02:05:19,140 --> 02:05:22,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ang expenditure po, program

1826
02:05:22,100 --> 02:05:25,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for the special account of, this is DOT.

1827
02:05:29,950 --> 02:05:33,930
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May I just clarify, Your Honor, if the question for the program is TPB?

1828
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:39,930
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: I'm sorry, it's TPF.

1829
02:05:40,590 --> 02:05:40,670
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Yeah.

1830
02:05:42,290 --> 02:05:44,310
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Tourism Promotions Fund.

1831
02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:49,150
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, for the Tourism Promotions Fund of

1832
02:05:49,150 --> 02:05:54,190
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the utilization of the Tourism Promotions Board, as stated in Table B15,

1833
02:05:54,610 --> 02:05:59,010
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the programmed expenditures for 2027 is 1

1834
02:05:59,010 --> 02:06:00,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .119

1835
02:06:01,150 --> 02:06:03,150
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: billion pesos. So

1836
02:06:03,150 --> 02:06:08,350
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: it decreased po from the 1.339 from

1837
02:06:08,350 --> 02:06:09,410
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: 2026.

1838
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:13,730
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: There is a slight reduction, Your Honor.

1839
02:06:13,950 --> 02:06:21,850
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: May I ask po, what's the reason for this? Because, as I said, isa na po sa pinakamababa talagang budget ang DOT.

1840
02:06:22,890 --> 02:06:26,610
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: For 2026, I believe it's 19.3 of

1841
02:06:28,310 --> 02:06:29,670
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: yung total collections.

1842
02:06:30,770 --> 02:06:35,950
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: And now, it came down for year 2027 to 16.1%.

1843
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:58,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, per available data, not to mention, number one, the utilization rate of TPB for 2026. We have also considered that for 2026, there are committed activities, part of that authorized level intended for ASEAN hosting,

1844
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:01,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: which is only a one-off event this year.

1845
02:07:05,890 --> 02:07:13,390
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: At the appropriate time, Mr. Secretary, I hope we can revisit these special provisions so we can work

1846
02:07:13,390 --> 02:07:19,130
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: together for a more efficient mechanism so that these earmarked tourism funds can be utilized. Kasi po, itong, for

1847
02:07:19,130 --> 02:07:28,850
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: me po, itong budget na po ito, talagang kinolect talaga ito at inappropriate for the Department of Tourism. So, yun lang po talaga yung concern ko na sana magamit talaga

1848
02:07:28,850 --> 02:07:32,210
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: itong pondo na ito for the Department.

1849
02:07:33,850 --> 02:07:37,070
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor would be happy to work with Your

1850
02:07:37,070 --> 02:07:38,790
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor on that particular item.

1851
02:07:39,610 --> 02:07:48,610
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: And also, Mr. Chair, this actually goes beyond tourism. If the government already has collected revenue, specifically earmarked for a

1852
02:07:48,610 --> 02:07:51,590
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: particular public purpose, should we not establish a uniform

1853
02:07:52,290 --> 02:07:56,570
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: risk-based mechanism for the SAGF so that

1854
02:07:56,570 --> 02:08:03,530
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: agencies can access these funds efficiently while retaining DBM, Treasury, and of course COA safeguards?

1855
02:08:05,210 --> 02:08:14,150
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, special accounts in the general fund are actually automatic appropriations. And what the DBM is doing is to program a

1856
02:08:14,150 --> 02:08:19,510
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: portion of the SAGF, which can actually be utilized by these agencies during

1857
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:23,690
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the fiscal year. So, that's part of our judicial-fiscal programming so

1858
02:08:23,690 --> 02:08:26,070
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as not to also contribute to

1859
02:08:26,070 --> 02:08:32,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: increase in deficit if we'll be able to program more than what the agency actually needs or what it can actually spend.

1860
02:08:32,890 --> 02:08:34,490
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But we'll be happy to work with the

1861
02:08:34,490 --> 02:08:39,650
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: good sponsor for the tourism budget and we'll be happy to share our notes as well

1862
02:08:40,250 --> 02:08:42,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on what were the basis in coming up with those levels.

1863
02:08:43,590 --> 02:08:45,970
Rep. Marie Bernadette G. Escudero: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Secretary.

1864
02:08:48,340 --> 02:08:51,480
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, thank you very much, Congresswoman Deth.

1865
02:08:52,020 --> 02:08:53,540
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And now,

1866
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:56,940
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: may we call on Congresswoman Sarah Elago.

1867
02:08:58,200 --> 02:08:59,620
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed, ma'am.

1868
02:09:00,580 --> 02:09:02,440
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, maraming salamat, Mr. Chair.

1869
02:09:03,420 --> 02:09:08,260
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Hindi maganda ang araw sa maraming humarap sa malakas na buhos ng ulan at lumusang sa baha.

1870
02:09:08,460 --> 02:09:18,180
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayong umaga, mga commuters at mga manggagawa, lalo ng mga transport sector workers na nananatiling stranded sa daan, mga lumikas na, at

1871
02:09:18,180 --> 02:09:31,120
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: saka sa lukuyan na sa evacuation centers na, at marami naghihintay pa ng rescue at tulong. Hindi lang mga bahay at daan ang mga binabaha. Binabaha rin ang problema ang ordinaryong mamamayan. Lubog ang agrikultura at manupaktura,

1872
02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:35,880
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kaya kulang na kulang ang regular at disenting trabaho at kabuhayan.

1873
02:09:36,220 --> 02:09:40,980
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Lubog sa utang ang marami sa taas ng presyo ng bilihin at napakababang sahod.

1874
02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:53,440
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Lubog rin sa pambansang utang dahil sa pagkataas-taas ng pambansang utang na umabot na sa P1.1 trillion pesos o nasa 64.9 na laki ng utang na umabot na sa

1875
02:09:55,360 --> 02:10:07,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nakumpara doon sa buong halaga ng mga produkto at servisyo na ginagawa ng bansa. This is the highest in 22 years, Mr. Chair. Ang utang ay pataas ng pataas imbes na bumababa.

1876
02:10:08,280 --> 02:10:12,580
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Una, magkano po ba yung balak na utangin ng pamahalaan sa susunod na taon

1877
02:10:12,580 --> 02:10:14,400
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: upang pondohan ang

1878
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:18,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kulang sa ating budget sa 2027? Ang ating fiscal deficit.

1879
02:10:19,220 --> 02:10:35,360
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ah diretsuhin ko na po sa inyong presentation, it's at 3.304 trillion pesos. Pwede po bang mag-submit ang ating DBCC ng list at breakdown ng lahat ng domestic at external sources sa committee and appropriations?

1880
02:10:36,430 --> 02:10:42,420
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, the DBCC is directed to submit said document

1881
02:10:42,420 --> 02:10:44,960
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: requested by Congresswoman Sara.

1882
02:10:45,780 --> 02:11:02,180
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Mr. Chair. Dahil dito, bawat isang Pilipino ngayon may tinataya na na 166,000 77 pesos at tataas pa maski ang mga hindi pa pinapanganak at susunod na salinlahi, lubog na lubog na agad sa pambansang utang. Doon po sa 7.2 trillion budget,

1883
02:11:02,500 --> 02:11:06,220
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ang debt interest payments nasa 1.1

1884
02:11:06,780 --> 02:11:08,000
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: trillion pesos.

1885
02:11:08,640 --> 02:11:10,980
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit magkano po yung para pa sa principal

1886
02:11:10,980 --> 02:11:13,880
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: amortization na babayaran natin?

1887
02:11:27,010 --> 02:11:30,070
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Sara, your question is directed to

1888
02:11:31,610 --> 02:11:32,710
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: which agency?

1889
02:11:33,070 --> 02:11:34,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, for the DBM, DOF?

1890
02:11:34,100 --> 02:11:35,130
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: DBM?

1891
02:11:35,650 --> 02:11:37,210
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: DBM can answer the

1892
02:11:37,210 --> 02:11:38,470
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: amount

1893
02:11:38,470 --> 02:11:40,910
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: for principal amortization payment

1894
02:11:40,910 --> 02:11:42,010
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: for this year.

1895
02:11:42,230 --> 02:11:46,730
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Can you repeat the question, Cong. Sara? Kakapasok lang po muli ni Sec. Dec.

1896
02:11:47,790 --> 02:11:56,190
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Magkano ang ating total debt service expenditure? Kanina na-report na sa 1.1 yung para sa debt interest payment.

1897
02:11:56,470 --> 02:11:58,690
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: What about for principal amortization?

1898
02:12:01,350 --> 02:12:05,870
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: For this year, the difference between would

1899
02:12:05,870 --> 02:12:09,330
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: be we can compute it now.

1900
02:12:12,110 --> 02:12:14,900
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 1.6 trillion principal

1901
02:12:14,900 --> 02:12:15,740
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: amortization.

1902
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:21,200
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yan, Mr. Chair, ang hindi po natin masyado na pag-uusapan dito. Sa katunayan,

1903
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:24,920
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nasa 2.7 trillion pesos yung ating total

1904
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:27,140
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: debt service expenditure na

1905
02:12:27,140 --> 02:12:41,220
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa totoo lang ay pagkataas-taas po. Mas mataas pa sa lahat ng mga gagastusin natin. Social services, sa economic at lahat ng napakarami pang mga pangangailangan ng ating mga kababayan. At malaking bahagi din po dyan talagang

1906
02:12:41,220 --> 02:12:41,660
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: automatic

1907
02:12:41,660 --> 02:12:52,760
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: appropriations, hindi na po dumadaan sa masusing pagdedebate, imbes na ginagastus natin. At tulad na lang dun sa maraming panawagan ng ating mga kababayan para

1908
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:55,140
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa mas mataas na podo sa kalusugan, sa

1909
02:12:55,140 --> 02:12:57,300
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: edukasyon, at marami pang iba. Ang

1910
02:12:57,300 --> 02:12:57,720
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ngayon,

1911
02:12:58,480 --> 02:12:59,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair,

1912
02:12:59,980 --> 02:13:02,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: 19 billion din ng ating

1913
02:13:02,340 --> 02:13:05,520
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: foreign-assisted projects ay para sa flood control.

1914
02:13:06,550 --> 02:13:12,260
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Di po ba ito maaaring mailagay na lang dun sa marami ding makakaranas na budget cut? Halimbawa ho,

1915
02:13:12,690 --> 02:13:17,220
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: sa Department of Agriculture, wala pa rin pondo yung agricultural

1916
02:13:17,220 --> 02:13:18,480
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: production subsidy.

1917
02:13:19,220 --> 02:13:20,600
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pagdating naman sa

1918
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:32,160
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: DOLE, wala pa rin pong pondo para dun sa mas pang matagalan na job creation. At bulk pa rin ang budget niya nasa tupad o nasa short term lang na

1919
02:13:32,340 --> 02:13:33,860
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: tulong sa trabaho.

1920
02:13:35,640 --> 02:13:36,300
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ano ho ba?

1921
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:42,000
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Bakit po patuloy pa rin natin na billion-billion yung nilalagay sa flood control imbis po

1922
02:13:43,300 --> 02:13:45,140
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ilagay sa mga servisyong ito?

1923
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:47,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair,

1924
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:58,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: your honor, yun pong 19 billion that was mentioned by the good congressman intended, congresswoman for flood control under the DPWH budget ay

1925
02:13:58,300 --> 02:14:01,200
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mga project loans, your honor. Specifically,

1926
02:14:02,340 --> 02:14:09,420
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: secured for the purpose na nakalagay po sa ating national expenditure program. So consistent po dun sa nature ng project loan,

1927
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:19,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi po natin maaaring gamitin yung loan for any other purpose than what is intended po dun sa ating, pinirmahan sa ating development partner.

1928
02:14:20,920 --> 02:14:21,520
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes.

1929
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:25,600
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Bukod sa budget cut, Mr. Chair, nandyan din halimbawa yung

1930
02:14:25,600 --> 02:14:30,660
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: masyado po natin minamaliit yung bilang ng mga may hirap sa ating bansa.

1931
02:14:30,980 --> 02:14:37,200
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Dito po sa kanilang, report na na-lift na daw po yung 8.8 million Filipinos na

1932
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:38,740
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mas

1933
02:14:38,740 --> 02:14:40,260
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: maangat ang buhay. Ang

1934
02:14:40,260 --> 02:14:45,900
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: basis po ng kanilang poverty threshold ay nasa 2017 pa rin po na value. Tama po ba?

1935
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:48,200
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa DepDep po at saka sa PSA.

1936
02:14:49,340 --> 02:14:55,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ito po ay nakabatay pa rin dun sa food poverty threshold na nasa 63 pesos o nasa 21

1937
02:14:56,700 --> 02:14:57,260
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: pesos

1938
02:14:57,260 --> 02:14:57,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: per day.

1939
02:14:58,060 --> 02:14:59,700
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair, the

1940
02:15:00,500 --> 02:15:01,560
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: whenever we,

1941
02:15:02,340 --> 02:15:06,240
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we compute the new poverty, we

1942
02:15:06,240 --> 02:15:08,940
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also adjust the threshold

1943
02:15:08,940 --> 02:15:10,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for the

1944
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:12,160
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: purchasing power, that is inflation.

1945
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:13,180
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So...

1946
02:15:13,180 --> 02:15:16,060
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Magkano na ho ngayon, Mr. Chair, ang ating

1947
02:15:16,060 --> 02:15:19,120
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: current na poverty threshold at food poverty threshold?

1948
02:15:23,060 --> 02:15:24,660
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Sa NCR,

1949
02:15:26,040 --> 02:15:30,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: it's now 16,842 for

1950
02:15:30,540 --> 02:15:31,580
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a family of five.

1951
02:15:32,340 --> 02:15:32,600
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ah,

1952
02:15:34,160 --> 02:15:35,020
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair.

1953
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:38,580
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair, sa labas ng NCR?

1954
02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:43,660
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For the rest of the country, our national average is 14

1955
02:15:43,660 --> 02:15:46,120
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: ,634 pesos.

1956
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:48,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: And the food poverty threshold is about what

1957
02:15:48,940 --> 02:15:49,500
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: percentage?

1958
02:15:49,660 --> 02:15:50,374
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For a

1959
02:15:50,374 --> 02:15:52,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: family of five members also. Okay.

1960
02:15:52,700 --> 02:15:53,320
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Per month.

1961
02:15:53,580 --> 02:15:55,500
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: So, magkano ho ito kada araw?

1962
02:15:55,800 --> 02:15:57,700
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Per meal sa ating mga kababayan?

1963
02:15:57,820 --> 02:16:01,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yung matutugunan yung kanilang mga basic nutritional requirements?

1964
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:02,520
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: ...

1965
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:09,680
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For NCR, it's 554 per day.

1966
02:16:10,720 --> 02:16:10,890
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: ...

1967
02:16:10,890 --> 02:16:11,230
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But

1968
02:16:11,230 --> 02:16:11,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: let me

1969
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:13,640
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: stress again,

1970
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:15,360
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr.

1971
02:16:16,160 --> 02:16:20,020
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, because this has been pointed out so many times, that

1972
02:16:20,020 --> 02:16:21,860
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the intention of this

1973
02:16:23,940 --> 02:16:26,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: poverty line was

1974
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:29,940
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to monitor the progress we are making in

1975
02:16:29,940 --> 02:16:33,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reducing poverty from year to year, even

1976
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:35,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as we adjust the norm for

1977
02:16:36,260 --> 02:16:36,600
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: inflation.

1978
02:16:37,980 --> 02:16:40,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: That's the only purpose. So that we can,

1979
02:16:41,320 --> 02:16:43,660
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we'll be able to say whether

1980
02:16:44,380 --> 02:16:53,340
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we are making progress in reducing poverty, whether our programs and projects and policies are able to reduce poverty.

1981
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:54,680
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Union,

1982
02:16:54,860 --> 02:16:56,220
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and incidentally,

1983
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:59,500
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair, the the the

1984
02:16:59,500 --> 02:17:01,340
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: norm,

1985
02:17:02,500 --> 02:17:07,820
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: regardless of, actually, if you can adapt a higher norm, if that's the point,

1986
02:17:08,020 --> 02:17:09,980
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you can adapt a higher norm,

1987
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:11,440
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: higher poverty threshold,

1988
02:17:12,620 --> 02:17:13,720
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: or even lower.

1989
02:17:14,500 --> 02:17:16,060
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But if you apply that

1990
02:17:16,820 --> 02:17:17,320
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: consistently

1991
02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:21,820
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: over time, and here we are talking about

1992
02:17:22,700 --> 02:17:25,300
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the time from 2021 to

1993
02:17:26,640 --> 02:17:27,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 2025,

1994
02:17:28,820 --> 02:17:30,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: all these thresholds

1995
02:17:30,400 --> 02:17:34,360
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: would lead, would show a decrease in in

1996
02:17:34,360 --> 02:17:35,380
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: poverty.

1997
02:17:35,940 --> 02:17:40,040
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that's the whole exercise. It's not so much to say

1998
02:17:40,580 --> 02:17:42,340
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that a

1999
02:17:42,340 --> 02:17:47,160
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: threshold like 554 is enough to

2000
02:17:48,600 --> 02:17:49,320
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: meet

2001
02:17:49,320 --> 02:17:51,740
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a a decent

2002
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:52,960
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: living.

2003
02:17:54,620 --> 02:18:01,200
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Mr. Chair, just to clarify, 554, sana hindi na po mabawas sa time ko, 554 is for a family of five na

2004
02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:02,780
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ginagamit po natin sa datos na ito.

2005
02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:05,093
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: For a family of five.

2006
02:18:05,093 --> 02:18:07,340
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: OK, maraming salamat Mr. Chair. Ngayon po

2007
02:18:07,340 --> 02:18:15,780
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakasaad ho dun sa report ng DepDev din na isa sa ating long-term measures ay pag-posisyon sa Pilipinas bilang AI manufacturing hub.

2008
02:18:16,180 --> 02:18:20,800
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa plano na ito, kasama po ba ang US-led Pax Silica initiative?

2009
02:18:23,150 --> 02:18:27,150
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At dito, Mr. Chair, matanong na rin ho natin ang DOF at ibang

2010
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:31,530
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: agencies kung magkano ang gagastusin natin sa

2011
02:18:31,530 --> 02:18:34,330
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: plano na may kinalaman dito sa ngayon.

2012
02:18:35,850 --> 02:18:40,270
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Itong, again, to put this in context, Mr. Chair, I

2013
02:18:40,270 --> 02:18:42,510
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: said this morning that we need to

2014
02:18:42,510 --> 02:18:46,970
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mobilize other drivers of growth, particularly out

2015
02:18:46,970 --> 02:18:47,190
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of

2016
02:18:47,870 --> 02:18:52,410
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to complement services. And here, I stress

2017
02:18:52,410 --> 02:18:54,590
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: industry, industry

2018
02:18:54,590 --> 02:18:56,810
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and revitalizing agriculture.

2019
02:18:57,990 --> 02:18:58,130
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Now,

2020
02:18:59,810 --> 02:19:06,330
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if Pax Silica is intended to do that, or could help achieve that, then that's good.

2021
02:19:06,670 --> 02:19:08,170
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And so far as we know,

2022
02:19:08,450 --> 02:19:10,690
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and by the way, this

2023
02:19:12,170 --> 02:19:17,470
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: initiative is a very young one. It became only

2024
02:19:18,250 --> 02:19:22,230
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: known to us, I think we just joined last December.

2025
02:19:24,390 --> 02:19:26,770
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, it is a

2026
02:19:27,990 --> 02:19:28,430
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: concept in,

2027
02:19:29,570 --> 02:19:31,010
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that's evolving.

2028
02:19:31,570 --> 02:19:38,690
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And the representation of the relevant agencies to us is that

2029
02:19:40,750 --> 02:19:44,370
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the intention is to attract

2030
02:19:46,030 --> 02:19:49,950
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: industries that deliver higher value to our

2031
02:19:49,950 --> 02:19:54,850
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: goods and services, particularly for

2032
02:19:55,710 --> 02:19:59,110
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: advanced technologies like conductors and electronics.

2033
02:20:00,090 --> 02:20:00,630
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And

2034
02:20:00,630 --> 02:20:08,910
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that is very consistent with what I was saying earlier, that we need to attract industries that bring

2035
02:20:08,910 --> 02:20:11,110
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the quality of jobs higher.

2036
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:15,130
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Because that, in the longer term, is the only one, is the

2037
02:20:15,900 --> 02:20:19,050
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: single most effective way of raising living

2038
02:20:19,050 --> 02:20:20,910
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: standards, especially for our workers.

2039
02:20:23,240 --> 02:20:31,080
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Mr. Chair. Ah, hindi pa po nasagot po yung tanong ko. Sana hindi po mabawa sa oras. Nagtanong po ako kung meron pong budget requirement for this year.

2040
02:20:32,940 --> 02:20:35,560
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa po, nababanggit niyo po sa mga pahayag.

2041
02:20:36,200 --> 02:20:39,480
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Halimbawa ang BCDA ay

2042
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:47,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: merong, kumbaga, role pagdating po sa pagtitiyak ng property na gagamitin for this initiative.

2043
02:20:47,500 --> 02:20:48,360
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Can we ask DBM?

2044
02:20:50,380 --> 02:20:51,180
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair.

2045
02:20:51,560 --> 02:20:52,340
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Can I take the question?

2046
02:20:52,460 --> 02:20:52,860
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay.

2047
02:20:53,260 --> 02:20:55,380
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes. Please go ahead,

2048
02:20:55,500 --> 02:20:55,900
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: SecDec.

2049
02:20:55,960 --> 02:20:56,100
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yeah.

2050
02:20:56,220 --> 02:20:59,220
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think I think

2051
02:20:59,220 --> 02:21:02,300
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: there's to be to clarify,

2052
02:21:04,060 --> 02:21:09,040
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: if indeed an industrial hub will be built in New Clark City,

2053
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:12,980
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: there is no budget requirement from us. They will pay us rent.

2054
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:16,180
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it is a revenue enhancing project.

2055
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:18,500
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I I'm

2056
02:21:18,500 --> 02:21:20,760
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: not aware of any budget

2057
02:21:21,500 --> 02:21:23,680
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: requirement that it might entail.

2058
02:21:24,780 --> 02:21:32,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair, ang BCDA ho ang magiging property manager nito. As you said, multiple times. So as the property manager, of course, it would also entail

2059
02:21:32,940 --> 02:21:34,900
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: personnel and other,

2060
02:21:37,380 --> 02:21:40,440
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: meron din pong mga kaugnay na conversion, halimbawa,

2061
02:21:40,520 --> 02:21:43,700
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng lands na gagamitin for this particular use.

2062
02:21:44,900 --> 02:21:48,060
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, I think in a normal business condition,

2063
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:53,100
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: you should not be spending more than you earn, right? So I think I

2064
02:21:53,100 --> 02:21:56,420
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think definitely the revenue should far outweigh

2065
02:21:57,160 --> 02:22:01,200
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: any project management expense, like in any other real estate venture.

2066
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:05,906
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes. So sa ngayon, wala pong masasagot pa sa atin dito. Thank you.

2067
02:22:05,906 --> 02:22:08,240
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Last question na po, Congresswoman Sara.

2068
02:22:08,520 --> 02:22:10,240
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mr. Chair, how about sa DICT?

2069
02:22:10,380 --> 02:22:17,820
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Sa DICT, kasi hindi po nasasagot talaga yung tanong. Sinasabi din na pwede yung revenues can far outweigh kung ano man po na

2070
02:22:18,220 --> 02:22:26,060
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ma-offset man kung ano yung mga particular budget requirements, kung meron man na ilalabas. Pero gusto po natin mahinag na tayo. At

2071
02:22:26,420 --> 02:22:29,960
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: dadalhin po natin yung discussion sa BCDA once they're here.

2072
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:31,240
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Mainam po.

2073
02:22:31,620 --> 02:22:38,460
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Pati po sa DICT, may nakita po kaming malaking jump sa kanilang digital infrastructure development and management.

2074
02:22:39,460 --> 02:22:40,140
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yung

2075
02:22:40,140 --> 02:22:44,980
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: pondo nila from 502 million last year to 1.3 trillion pesos next year.

2076
02:22:45,720 --> 02:22:50,760
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Meron po bang kinalaman itong development ng AI manufacturing hub?

2077
02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:55,420
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nakalagak po ang pondo sa DICT o wala?

2078
02:22:56,420 --> 02:23:00,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Congresswoman Sara. That will be the last question. Sec Dec, please reply.

2079
02:23:00,420 --> 02:23:03,380
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: To my knowledge, nothing. But you should confirm with DICT po.

2080
02:23:03,560 --> 02:23:07,180
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But I don't think... Ma'am, can I just clarify? This

2081
02:23:07,180 --> 02:23:16,300
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: industrial hub is a proposed industrial hub. So, one thing's for sure. There's nothing in the budget that

2082
02:23:16,300 --> 02:23:20,720
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: will spend for this proposed industrial hub because nothing has been signed po.

2083
02:23:22,280 --> 02:23:23,880
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, it's still a

2084
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:25,620
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: discussion.

2085
02:23:26,300 --> 02:23:32,660
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, I'm pretty sure the DBM will not put any budget line item, expense line item for a

2086
02:23:33,630 --> 02:23:33,900
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for

2087
02:23:33,900 --> 02:23:37,200
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: a something that is in very preliminary

2088
02:23:37,670 --> 02:23:37,940
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: discussion.

2089
02:23:39,630 --> 02:23:40,120
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you.

2090
02:23:40,480 --> 02:23:41,200
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you.

2091
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:43,060
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Isa na lang kasi wala pa daw po

2092
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:44,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: napirmahan.

2093
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:47,410
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Very briefly, please.

2094
02:23:47,410 --> 02:23:48,660
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Mr. Chair.

2095
02:23:49,060 --> 02:23:56,160
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ah na-raise ko itong concern na ito kasi nagpapakita siguro ng urgency at necessity na pagtalakay din sa mga resolusyon na

2096
02:23:56,160 --> 02:24:06,160
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kaugnay sa mga commitment ng Pilipinas sa Pax Silica initiative. At may sa... Last, Mr. Chair, may sasabihin daw po yung DBM. Baka pwede po natin pakinggan tungkol sa matter na ito.

2097
02:24:06,240 --> 02:24:11,170
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Just go ahead.

2098
02:24:11,170 --> 02:24:16,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, just wanted... Just wanted to confirm na wala pong any allocation in the NEP intended for Pax Silica. The amounts mentioned by the good Congresswoman under DICT is

2099
02:24:16,100 --> 02:24:22,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: intended for the implementation of a new mandate under a law enacted by Congress which is the E-Government Law, Your Honor.

2100
02:24:23,300 --> 02:24:23,600
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay.

2101
02:24:23,880 --> 02:24:24,140
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you.

2102
02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:27,200
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat, Congresswoman Sara.

2103
02:24:27,820 --> 02:24:31,460
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Sec. Kim and Sec. Dec.

2104
02:24:32,180 --> 02:24:33,880
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now move to the next

2105
02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:40,960
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: colleague that will ask questions just in time.

2106
02:24:41,620 --> 02:24:46,540
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Nandito po si... May we call on Congresswoman... Ah, Congressman Rufus Rodriguez.

2107
02:24:47,180 --> 02:24:48,100
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Thank you,

2108
02:24:48,100 --> 02:24:48,460
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mr.

2109
02:24:48,760 --> 02:24:49,140
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Chairman.

2110
02:24:50,660 --> 02:24:55,580
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Distinguished colleagues and our resource persons for today, the

2111
02:24:55,580 --> 02:24:58,360
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: members of the Development Budget

2112
02:24:58,360 --> 02:25:01,040
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Coordinating Committee. We

2113
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:02,000
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: should now change that.

2114
02:25:02,360 --> 02:25:04,560
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: The development is

2115
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:08,740
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: not needed. Surplus age. We always work for the development of the country for

2116
02:25:08,740 --> 02:25:09,160
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the budget.

2117
02:25:09,340 --> 02:25:10,740
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We should now rename it

2118
02:25:10,740 --> 02:25:12,580
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: as National Budget

2119
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Coordinating Committee.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Correct?

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Don't

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you agree?

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Because the development budget,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: this is awful development.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Did you agree, Sec. Go?

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yeah. I'm sorry. But tagal na ako dito eh. Six terms na. Puro development budget. There's you know, surplus age because we're all working, especially the budget, for the development of our beloved country. Correct, Mr. Chairman?

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: You're absolutely correct, Your Honor.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Thank you. So

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: in the next hearing next year, we should call it the National

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Budget Coordinating Committee.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Okay.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Now, I hope that will not be taken against my time.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Second

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the motion, Mr. Chair.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sec. Balisacan, Dep Dev, good afternoon.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sec. Kim De Leon, DBM,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sec. Frederick Go of Department of Finance, our outstanding Europe Customs Commissioner, Ariel Fernandez, and this very good gentleman who is now the man of the hour because

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: of the income tax return,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Commissioner Mendoza, lawyer, a great lawyer, and of course, Yusec Adriano, always, you know, very outstanding in our hearings, especially because he always wants to increase very exorbitant

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: taxes.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: But anyway, and then of course, Deputy Governor Zeno Abinoha, and all our resource persons.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: My answer, my question is pertaining to page 12.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Of

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the National Expenditure Program, page 12, if you can look at it,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: fiscal year 2027 proposed budget by region. I represent

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Cagayan de Oro, the city of golden friendship in

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao, the

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: land of

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: is being fulfilled already, the promise.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: But this will show that it is still a land of promise.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mr. Chairman, you know why? Let

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02:27:17,730 --> 02:27:18,450
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: us take a look.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We have the budget per region,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: and the share.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: NCR, which

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02:27:27,740 --> 02:27:28,720
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: is very much developed,

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02:27:29,160 --> 02:27:31,960
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: receives 15.4 percent of

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the pie,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the 7.2.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Balance rubles on the more,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 23 percent.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao, Mr. Chairman, is only 15.1 percent.

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02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:50,520
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And you see, Mindanao has a population of 27 million, or 22.3 percent of

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: our population of the Republic of the Philippines.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao, through our pineapples, coconut, corn, and all the products, even mining,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: gives 18 to 19 percent of the gross national product, 18 to 19.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Population,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 22.3 percent.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And the recent

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Philippine Statistics Authority, Mr. Chairman,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: on the 10 poorest provinces of the country,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: list Mindanao 7 out of 10. Very poor. The first 6

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao provinces.

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02:28:31,220 --> 02:28:32,660
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, Mr. Chairman,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: I'm just going to ask,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: there is still a chance, I don't know how we are going to address the issue, and

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: who will answer this question. I think we could ask each one.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Because the four of the National

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Budget Coordinating Council

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Committee, because if you will look here, you know,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 15.1.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Malayo sa GDP contribution ng 18 percent.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Malayo sa population ng 22.3. Malayo, Mr. Chairman.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: sa poorest

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: poorest provinces of the Philippines, there has to be affirmative action for Mindanao. I appeal, therefore, to

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: this National Budget Coordinating Committee to

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: take a look again on how we are able to improve the

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 15 percent Four

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: of years Mindanao. ago, Four years 16 ago, percent na.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Panahon ni President President GMA, like nag 17 percent na, because the biggest budget for infrastructure under GMA was Mindanao.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: That's why medyo na, simento na doon, malaking development. So now, I'd like to ask, starting from our gentleman, from of course, the DepDev,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: please Please tell us, why only 15.1? And the figures show the contribution of the people of Mindanao to

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: our country.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong. Rufus. May we request Sec. Kim to

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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: to answer?

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your Honor, while we took took note of the observation of the good

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: good congressman,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we would like to submit that, number one, we continue

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to work on improving the regional allocation of the budget by, one, working with DepDev, on

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: putting premium on the

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: projects endorsed by the regional development councils, improving the linkage between budgeting and planning, Two, as we have discussed a while ago.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Second, we are actually discussing right now, your Honor, because one factor is still the presence of non

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -regionalized budget items. So this means these are probably items

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lodged within the respective central offices or

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: probably lump sum funds, some of which might be intended really for areas like Visayas and Mindanao, which cannot be attributed during the preparation of So the NEP. So that's also something that

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we can look at. to improve as well the allocation for Mindanao.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But we would just like to manifest and add, because the slide we presented this morning did

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: not include a comparative from last year.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As a matter of fact, Your Honor, Mr. Chair,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: outside NCR, the average increase

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: from 2026 to 2027 is actually the highest average

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in Mindanao.

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So we actually saw a... Particularly, for instance, to the good representatives, our region actually

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: had an increase of 10.6 as

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: compared to the 2026 level. But this is a work in progress, Your Honor. We will continue to make the necessary evaluation

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of how budgets can be more presented accurately in terms of their

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: intended regional beneficiaries. Because as I have said a while ago,

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there are still centrally managed items. Or those lodged within the respective central

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: offices, which may be actually intended to be distributed

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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: across the regions during implementation, Your Honor.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Three reasons given by the Honorable Kim de Leon,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: a very young DBM.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And so he wouldn't tell a lie because only us old people has

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: been used to, you know, giving half-truths.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Secretary Kim,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you said that

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you only depend on

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the submission.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: From the RDC and the other

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: agencies.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We should be proactive.

2235
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We should be... The DBM should go out of its way to

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: be able to ask and to be able to secure documents from Mindanao. Malayo kasi kami. So, matagal dumating yung mga request dito.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: It's too expensive for Mindanao people to come here. That's number one,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: in answer to your, you know, comment.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: The second one is lamsam. Precisely, huwag na tayo maglalamsam.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Kasi alam mo, lamsam becomes the pork barrel of the secretaries.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yeah.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sinong malapit secretary of, hindi ko naman i-mention.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Sinong malapit nun, yun makakuha na maraming share. All our cabinet members are from Luzon.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: walang chance kami sa Mindanao.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Oh, kaya na mo,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: don't look

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: at the line agencies. So, yung lamsam, na-favor na naman ang mayayam. Naman ang mga

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: probinsya sa Luzon.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: In fact, Visayas, you

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: know, very pithy. You know, Visayas, only

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 10%.

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02:33:36,230 --> 02:33:38,310
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: But I will not complain on

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02:33:38,310 --> 02:33:40,010
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: this because we have congressmen here.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: From the Visayas who should be able to complain.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mine is Mindanao.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, yung lamsam,

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: DBM Secretary Kim, you're young, you're new.

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02:33:49,830 --> 02:33:52,050
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, huwag na natin yung the old system.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Ibigyan natin affirmative action. You know what I say? Continue. Mindanao will continue to be poor. 7 out of 10 provinces. That next 3 are in the Visayas.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So, yan ang request ko.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Okay. So, that is why these are in answer to your statements. But I like the word, work in progress.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Because there is a chance,

2264
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: before the HGAB,

2265
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the HGAB is approved that

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you are going to increase this to

2267
02:34:22,650 --> 02:34:23,410
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 20%.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: That is, we met.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: In, Mr.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Chairman.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We met. Yes, I

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: will wind up.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We met at Usami City. All the 6 regional development councils from the BARM,

2274
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: from regions 9 to 13.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: 6.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We passed a resolution. I don't know if the DBM got a copy of this because I'm going to ask Secretary Balisakan, you received that because that was the RDC.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: The 6 regions. Mindanao met the

2278
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: directors, the heads of the officers of the RDC. 6 of the regions, all represented there.

2279
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: And what did we pass?

2280
02:35:08,670 --> 02:35:11,510
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: We passed a resolution requesting

2281
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the national government to

2282
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: at least give 20

2283
02:35:16,250 --> 02:35:16,730
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: man lang.

2284
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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So that, you know,

2285
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:20,870
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Mindanao is part of the Philippines. Are we?

2286
02:35:21,830 --> 02:35:37,270
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yeah, we're very much part of the Philippines. Pero over the years, yun lang ang magbigay sa amin. So we passed unanimously all the officers of the 6 RDCs. Secretary Balisakan, did you receive that?

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: That we just asked.

2288
02:35:39,450 --> 02:35:40,090
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That will

2289
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: be the last question.

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02:35:43,010 --> 02:35:43,330
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: That will be second to the last question. Thank you.

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02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:46,790
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Time is up na po. Pwede pa naman next round.

2292
02:35:47,510 --> 02:35:52,010
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong. Rufus. Sec. Arsi, please reply.

2293
02:35:52,010 --> 02:35:53,330
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yeah, did you receive our

2294
02:35:53,330 --> 02:35:56,430
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Secretary of DepDev

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02:35:56,790 --> 02:36:10,930
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: This resolution from six, all the regions of Mindanao, 9 to 13 plus BARMM, requesting na maski 20 man lang. Malayo pa rin yan sa 25 or one-third.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Three regions, Luzon, Visayas, Mindanao. Malayo pa rin. But we can start with 20%. Pero 15.1, masyadong maliit. Yes, Secretary Balisacan.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yes, Mr. Chair, we confirm that we received the resolution.

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Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: So we expected you to be fighting it at all for us. But if you will allow me, Mr. Chair, to put some...

2299
02:36:30,550 --> 02:36:31,030
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please answer Sec. Arsi

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02:36:31,410 --> 02:36:31,970
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Put

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02:36:31,970 --> 02:36:33,390
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: context here.

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think because it's a very important issue.

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02:36:38,470 --> 02:36:43,350
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It goes back to the prioritization issue and the

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02:36:43,350 --> 02:36:48,610
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: translation of regional priorities to actual

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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: priorities

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02:36:50,170 --> 02:36:53,530
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as represented in the GAA.

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02:36:54,390 --> 02:36:56,870
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Please note that... Earlier,

2308
02:36:57,250 --> 02:37:01,890
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 50 of the RDC priorities are reflected in the NEP.

2309
02:37:02,930 --> 02:37:05,450
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Alright, 50%. But

2310
02:37:05,450 --> 02:37:08,810
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: when it comes out in the SGA, only

2311
02:37:08,810 --> 02:37:11,410
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 30 to 35 of that now

2312
02:37:11,410 --> 02:37:12,210
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is

2313
02:37:12,210 --> 02:37:13,130
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: consistent with

2314
02:37:13,130 --> 02:37:17,010
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: regional priorities. So I

2315
02:37:17,010 --> 02:37:18,190
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: guess there's something...

2316
02:37:18,190 --> 02:37:19,590
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's not just the executive,

2317
02:37:19,770 --> 02:37:23,910
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Your

2318
02:37:23,910 --> 02:37:28,830
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Honor. I think that... Internally also, we have to have

2319
02:37:28,830 --> 02:37:34,290
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: better coordination between the executive and the legislative as well.

2320
02:37:34,650 --> 02:37:38,810
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay, thank you for the reply, Sec. Arsi.

2321
02:37:38,810 --> 02:37:40,830
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Yes, I now request for

2322
02:37:40,830 --> 02:37:41,930
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: the next round.

2323
02:37:42,150 --> 02:37:42,610
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes.

2324
02:37:42,610 --> 02:37:43,250
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: Thank

2325
02:37:43,250 --> 02:37:44,110
Rep. Rufus B. Rodriguez: you, Mr. Chairman.

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02:37:44,490 --> 02:37:47,470
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay noted, Cong. Rufus. Maraming salamat po.

2327
02:37:50,090 --> 02:37:52,870
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now go to the next colleague

2328
02:37:52,870 --> 02:37:54,370
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: that will ask questions.

2329
02:37:55,550 --> 02:37:56,730
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May we call on...

2330
02:37:57,470 --> 02:37:57,610
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Rep.

2331
02:37:58,170 --> 02:37:59,790
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sergio Dagooc.

2332
02:38:00,090 --> 02:38:01,370
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sir, you have the floor.

2333
02:38:02,150 --> 02:38:03,590
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2334
02:38:04,530 --> 02:38:06,410
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Magandang hapon po sa ating lahat.

2335
02:38:08,050 --> 02:38:08,870
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Unang-una.

2336
02:38:10,290 --> 02:38:15,530
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Gusto ko lang bigyan ng ibang kahulugan yung sabi ni DBM

2337
02:38:15,530 --> 02:38:17,630
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Secretary kanina. Dapat ang budget

2338
02:38:17,630 --> 02:38:19,030
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: makatao.

2339
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:21,150
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So may

2340
02:38:21,150 --> 02:38:22,690
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: mga proposals po ako dito.

2341
02:38:23,710 --> 02:38:24,290
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Dapat

2342
02:38:24,290 --> 02:38:26,650
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kayong nagbabudget, hindi manhid.

2343
02:38:27,570 --> 02:38:31,270
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung aim is hindi manhed. Kasi pang

2344
02:38:31,270 --> 02:38:38,530
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: -pitong taon ko na dito, parang tinatapos lang natin yung hearing. After the hearing, walang nangyari doon sa mga proposals.

2345
02:38:39,670 --> 02:38:40,310
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So

2346
02:38:40,310 --> 02:38:42,770
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I would like to emphasize that

2347
02:38:45,370 --> 02:38:49,590
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: baka pwedeng pagtuunan ninyo ng pansin sa DOF.

2348
02:38:51,780 --> 02:38:54,320
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung mga proposals,

2349
02:38:54,700 --> 02:39:03,560
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: lalong-lalo na kami sa Ways and Means, yung taxes yun. I am very appreciative of the presentation ni...

2350
02:39:05,630 --> 02:39:07,210
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kanina tong presentation?

2351
02:39:07,730 --> 02:39:08,610
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: DBM ba to?

2352
02:39:11,930 --> 02:39:14,850
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Parang kay Secretary Arsi to.

2353
02:39:15,650 --> 02:39:22,250
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: That you admit na yung high energy cost is one of the constraints sa

2354
02:39:22,250 --> 02:39:23,290
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: pag-unlad natin.

2355
02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:27,030
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero inconsistently,

2356
02:39:28,250 --> 02:39:31,970
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: nilagay nyo sa long-term, yung solusyon.

2357
02:39:33,640 --> 02:39:35,520
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: May I ask PSA?

2358
02:39:37,540 --> 02:39:40,160
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: What percent yung

2359
02:39:40,160 --> 02:39:42,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: cost of electricity sa production

2360
02:39:42,840 --> 02:39:45,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: natin at saka sa household spending?

2361
02:39:49,740 --> 02:39:51,420
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Production and

2362
02:39:51,420 --> 02:39:52,240
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: services.

2363
02:39:53,710 --> 02:39:56,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: What is the percentage cost of electricity?

2364
02:39:57,040 --> 02:39:58,520
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please reply, Sec. Arsi.

2365
02:39:59,060 --> 02:39:59,840
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: As

2366
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:01,280
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I noted earlier, Mr. Chair,

2367
02:40:02,120 --> 02:40:05,220
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: electricity expenditure by households,

2368
02:40:05,880 --> 02:40:10,240
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: represent about 5.3 percent of their total spending.

2369
02:40:10,700 --> 02:40:12,140
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 3 to 5 percent?

2370
02:40:12,220 --> 02:40:14,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 5.3 percent.

2371
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:14,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 5.3 percent.

2372
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:15,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: That's national average.

2373
02:40:16,960 --> 02:40:20,940
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sa cost of products and services, anong

2374
02:40:20,940 --> 02:40:21,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: percentage siya?

2375
02:40:22,140 --> 02:40:27,200
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sa pag-produce ng products, what percentage is the cost component of electricity?

2376
02:40:27,820 --> 02:40:31,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sa pagbigay ng serbisyo across

2377
02:40:31,980 --> 02:40:35,080
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: all sectors, anong percent yung cost of electricity?

2378
02:40:37,120 --> 02:40:43,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I don't have that data with me right now, Mr. Chair. But I could provide that. I think we could extract that from our

2379
02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:44,600
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: database.

2380
02:40:45,240 --> 02:40:47,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I hope, Mr. Chair, kung

2381
02:40:47,780 --> 02:40:49,220
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ikaw ay doktor,

2382
02:40:49,420 --> 02:40:52,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: dapat alam

2383
02:40:52,780 --> 02:40:59,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: mo yung parameters na yun. Yun yung inaalboroto ko dito. I am very frustrated of my seven years.

2384
02:40:59,700 --> 02:41:06,200
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Like that VAT on systems loss. 2019 ko pa fi-nile yan. Kung

2385
02:41:06,200 --> 02:41:14,480
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: hindi binanggit ni Presidente, saka lang tayo nagkandara pa. Pero that is not all. Systems loss ay napakaliit. Ngayon sinabi dito ni

2386
02:41:14,480 --> 02:41:17,460
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Secretary Arsi,

2387
02:41:17,740 --> 02:41:21,420
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: isa sa mga problema niya is high cost of energy.

2388
02:41:22,420 --> 02:41:30,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Driven by the list in implementing energy contracts, particularly renewable unlimited competition in the electricity market.

2389
02:41:31,340 --> 02:41:35,400
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pero pagdating dito sa solusyon, amendment of EPIRA,

2390
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:45,080
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: wala man lang kayong sinabi kung anong provision ng EPIRA ang i-amend. Can the Secretary inform

2391
02:41:45,080 --> 02:41:53,260
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: this representation? Ano bang specific na provision ng EPIRA ang amyendahan natin to solve the problem that you have admitted?

2392
02:41:54,620 --> 02:41:57,340
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think we have

2393
02:41:57,340 --> 02:42:02,460
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: a study on that, Mr.

2394
02:42:02,580 --> 02:42:05,140
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. But one is about the

2395
02:42:05,140 --> 02:42:07,740
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: strengthening,

2396
02:42:08,020 --> 02:42:09,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the need to strengthen ERC.

2397
02:42:10,260 --> 02:42:12,680
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The second is to

2398
02:42:12,680 --> 02:42:14,920
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: strengthen

2399
02:42:14,920 --> 02:42:17,980
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the coordination between the ERC

2400
02:42:17,980 --> 02:42:27,440
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and the Philippine Competition Commission. So that it is more effective in going after market abuse or abuse of market power by

2401
02:42:27,440 --> 02:42:33,860
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: any participant in the electricity market. We

2402
02:42:33,860 --> 02:42:41,860
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: decided in the last congress, LEDAC decided in the last congress, Mr. Chair, if I may mention,

2403
02:42:42,140 --> 02:42:46,500
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to approach the EPIRA amendments by

2404
02:42:46,500 --> 02:42:52,800
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: segments. First, with respect to the

2405
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:57,020
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: PSALM, extending the life of PSALM. Second,

2406
02:42:57,920 --> 02:42:58,360
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is

2407
02:42:58,360 --> 02:43:01,800
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reforming the strengthening

2408
02:43:01,800 --> 02:43:03,200
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: ERC. And

2409
02:43:03,200 --> 02:43:06,900
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: third is the strengthening of the

2410
02:43:06,900 --> 02:43:10,680
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: competition mandates of both ERC and

2411
02:43:10,680 --> 02:43:12,460
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: PCC.

2412
02:43:12,600 --> 02:43:16,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Because the sense then of the LEDAC members,

2413
02:43:16,680 --> 02:43:17,780
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr.

2414
02:43:17,800 --> 02:43:18,500
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, is that

2415
02:43:20,200 --> 02:43:26,220
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: EPIRA amendment is likely going to be quite complex

2416
02:43:26,220 --> 02:43:28,240
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: because of the many issues involved.

2417
02:43:28,560 --> 02:43:30,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And so they preferred

2418
02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:33,660
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to... proceed sequentially.

2419
02:43:35,240 --> 02:43:41,120
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you for the answer, Secretary. Yun bang sagot mo sa akin ay galing sa puso mo?

2420
02:43:42,340 --> 02:43:44,240
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Of course. I

2421
02:43:44,240 --> 02:43:44,920
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: was a...

2422
02:43:45,540 --> 02:43:49,640
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Before I assumed this office, Mr. Chair, I was a chair

2423
02:43:49,640 --> 02:43:52,380
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of the Philippine Competition Commission. And our

2424
02:43:52,380 --> 02:43:56,960
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: office then undertook a study on the state of

2425
02:43:56,960 --> 02:44:00,600
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: competition

2426
02:44:00,600 --> 02:44:04,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: policy

2427
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:07,040
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in the country. And we believe that the

2428
02:44:07,040 --> 02:44:11,500
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: high cost, part of the high cost of electricity, is due

2429
02:44:11,500 --> 02:44:13,720
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to the structural issues in the industry.

2430
02:44:14,060 --> 02:44:15,420
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: You're correct, Mr. Secretary.

2431
02:44:16,180 --> 02:44:18,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: So you recommend, sa LEDAC,

2432
02:44:19,020 --> 02:44:22,080
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: amendment ng EPIRA, you should be specific.

2433
02:44:22,520 --> 02:44:23,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Cross-ownership provision,

2434
02:44:24,400 --> 02:44:26,560
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: section 43F, section

2435
02:44:26,560 --> 02:44:28,920
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 47, and section 45.

2436
02:44:29,280 --> 02:44:33,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Then yung open access. Kasi yan po yung laman ng

2437
02:44:33,780 --> 02:44:35,360
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: mga sinasabi mo, which you failed

2438
02:44:35,360 --> 02:44:36,200
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: to

2439
02:44:36,200 --> 02:44:37,600
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: enumerate. Now,

2440
02:44:37,680 --> 02:44:40,260
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: dito sa high

2441
02:44:40,260 --> 02:44:41,000
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: energy cost,

2442
02:44:41,280 --> 02:44:54,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I doubt kung hundred percent tama yung hinala ninyo na ang dahilan ay delay in the implementation of energy contracts, particularly your renewable. Sana,

2443
02:44:54,940 --> 02:45:03,240
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mr. Chair, ay ibawas mo to sa... Kasi this is supposed to be silang magsagot. Pero ano,

2444
02:45:03,400 --> 02:45:07,560
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ako na lang ang magsagot. Parang point of information, Mr. Chair.

2445
02:45:08,780 --> 02:45:22,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi I have still at least three important issues na ang sagot sa ating budget nandito lang sa presentation ni Secretary Arsi kung isasa puso natin at dibdibin.

2446
02:45:23,500 --> 02:45:37,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pag renewable kasi, Mr. Secretary, I am not against it. I am always supportive on it. Since the time Renewable Energy Act was enacted, hindi pa po ako kong member ng house. But the problem is,

2447
02:45:38,200 --> 02:45:40,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kung lakihan

2448
02:45:40,100 --> 02:45:40,920
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: mo kaagad

2449
02:45:40,920 --> 02:45:42,160
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: yung

2450
02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:54,060
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: portfolio ng renewable, you need to upgrade the line. Now, remember, ang objective natin is the lower... to lower the cost of electricity.

2451
02:45:54,640 --> 02:46:02,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Pag lakihan mo yung portfolio ng renewable, hindi mo magamit 24 hours, nilakihan mo ngayon yung transmission line, in-upgrade mo,

2452
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:05,320
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: babayaran natin lahat yung transmission.

2453
02:46:06,800 --> 02:46:07,360
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Then,

2454
02:46:07,360 --> 02:46:19,140
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: babayaran mo yung renewable na na-inject mo, na ginagamit mo lang ng ilang oras sa isang araw. Mag-kontrata ka na naman ngayon ng ancillary, backup na planta. Ilan na yung binabayaran mo? Tatlo na.

2455
02:46:19,740 --> 02:46:23,600
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Yung renewable, yung ancillary, yung

2456
02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:26,540
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: transmission. Kaya, you

2457
02:46:26,540 --> 02:46:32,640
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: can revisit that. Maybe, mag-uusap kayo ni DOE na yung

2458
02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:39,360
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: just transition, baka magiging unjust yan pag hindi sila makinig.

2459
02:46:39,500 --> 02:46:46,820
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Now, finally, Mr. Chair, sana kunting ano na lang, kasi for me, this is very... Ito yung,

2460
02:46:46,820 --> 02:46:51,200
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: paulit-ulit to, yung taxation natin sa electricity,

2461
02:46:52,440 --> 02:47:07,940
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: that drives high electricity cost. Kasi, pag tumaas yung generation, dahil yung coal na inaangkat natin, ay may excise tax, may customs duties. Pagdating sa planta, paglabas niya, one kilowatt hour, generation,

2462
02:47:08,500 --> 02:47:10,540
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 12. Dadaan sa transmission,

2463
02:47:10,900 --> 02:47:12,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 12. Dadaan sa distribution,

2464
02:47:13,080 --> 02:47:25,700
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: 12. Pati yung systems loss, losses na, may tax pa. Pati mga subsidies, lifeline, ambag na nga namin sa gobyerno yun. Yung hindi sa availer, tinatax pa ninyo. We should review that.

2465
02:47:26,380 --> 02:47:31,500
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ako po yung principal author ng ERC strengthening. Tapos na po yun.

2466
02:47:32,060 --> 02:47:40,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Apat na oras ko dinefend yun sa floor. Binigyan natin ng budget si ERC doon sa collection office nila na 50

2467
02:47:40,760 --> 02:47:41,260
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: percent i-retain.

2468
02:47:41,500 --> 02:47:45,380
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Si Congressman Rufus ang nagpatagal sa akin kasi ayaw. I

2469
02:47:45,380 --> 02:47:48,700
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: agree with you, we should strengthen yung

2470
02:47:48,700 --> 02:47:51,960
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ERC. Tama po kayo dyan. So ang

2471
02:47:51,960 --> 02:47:55,900
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: i-review natin yung parang multiple taxes yun.

2472
02:47:56,060 --> 02:47:57,040
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi pag

2473
02:47:57,040 --> 02:48:19,720
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: halimbawa nag-benchmark si ERC ng 6 pesos per kilowatt hour sa coal. Pag taas ng panggatong, aabot yan ng 8-9. Tataas din yung VAT kasi naka-fix yung VAT natin. What I am suggesting, baka pwedeng pagtuunan ninyong pansin kung ano yung basis ni BIR sa target revenue.

2474
02:48:21,160 --> 02:48:45,500
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Halimbawa 6 pesos yung benchmark, kukuliktahin natin yung 6 pesos. Pero pag lumampas yan ng 6, there are times na mag-ano si Indonesia. Kung tataas ng 10 pesos, baka pwedeng iba na yung i-ano natin doon sa in-excess doon sa 6 pesos. Win-win po yan kasi wala pong nawala na revenue sa atin. Baka tataas pa kasi ang

2475
02:48:45,500 --> 02:48:56,720
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: spending hindi magtitipid ng ano. Tataas yung energy sales natin, mababawi din yun. Anyway, yun din naman pong natipid nila.

2476
02:48:58,140 --> 02:49:18,780
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Ibibili din naman ang pagkain yun. Ibibili din ang mga goods. May 12 percent po tayo doon. So, I hope na makinig kayo konti kahit hindi kami economist. Kasi kami sa power sector, tinitingnan namin saan yung bottleneck. Talagang yung tax natin ang nagpabigat.

2477
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:20,520
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Buti nga lang,

2478
02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:24,320
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: minention ni Presidente yung systems loss na VAT

2479
02:49:24,320 --> 02:49:26,740
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ngayon nagkukumuhog tayo. But,

2480
02:49:26,840 --> 02:49:35,840
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: napakaliit po yan. I hope, titignan din natin yung other taxes. Lalong-lalo na yung GI all, FIT all.

2481
02:49:36,880 --> 02:49:40,760
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I hope, wala nang sana all na sisingilin.

2482
02:49:41,280 --> 02:49:58,460
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Huwag na nating i-ano yun. Baka i-forego na natin yun. Kasi ang kaakibat naman doon, dagdag na mga planta, dagdag na trabaho. May tax na naman tayo sa mga nagtatrabaho. Dagdag na negosyo. Kasi investment ang tama

2483
02:49:58,460 --> 02:50:05,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: po kayo dito. Pero, may kunti akong reservation sa mga ibang mga sinasabi nyo kung paano i-resolve.

2484
02:50:05,540 --> 02:50:08,040
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Kasi in the real sense sa power industry,

2485
02:50:08,460 --> 02:50:10,600
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: lalong tataas tayo

2486
02:50:10,600 --> 02:50:12,220
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: dito pag lakihan

2487
02:50:12,220 --> 02:50:14,280
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: natin kaagad-agad yung renewable.

2488
02:50:14,820 --> 02:50:18,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I hope, magkausap tayo. So, Mr. Secretary, with your team,

2489
02:50:19,240 --> 02:50:24,080
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: itanong ko nga sana, bakit ibinta natin yung Caliraya, kumikita yan?

2490
02:50:24,500 --> 02:50:24,980
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Bakit

2491
02:50:24,980 --> 02:50:29,100
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: ibinta na naman natin yung Agos and Pulangi, na

2492
02:50:29,100 --> 02:50:29,920
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kumikita yan?

2493
02:50:30,540 --> 02:50:40,180
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Sa palagay ko, no person in his right mind na yung asset niya na kumikita ay kanyang i-privatize. Wala na tayong control. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2494
02:50:40,200 --> 02:50:41,400
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong. Dagooc.

2495
02:50:41,400 --> 02:50:42,440
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We share your

2496
02:50:42,440 --> 02:50:45,980
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: passion for lowering our electricity rates.

2497
02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:49,800
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pwede pa rin po next round, Kong Dago.

2498
02:50:51,120 --> 02:50:55,260
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Mahaba yun, Mr. Chair. Ang gusto ko lang sana, if we can sit down with

2499
02:50:55,260 --> 02:51:03,320
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: BIR, kahit hindi lang ako, kahit wish and means. If we can sit down with Secretary Arsi,

2500
02:51:04,660 --> 02:51:15,160
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: kasi natumbok nga eh. Natumbok nga yung currency, number one. Pero medyo may mga ako na baka pwede niyang pakinggan with BIR, with DOF. We

2501
02:51:15,160 --> 02:51:21,340
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: can do that, Cong. Dagooc. Maraming salamat po. And would Sec. Arsi want to reply before

2502
02:51:21,340 --> 02:51:23,720
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we move to the next representative?

2503
02:51:24,220 --> 02:51:26,680
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We'll be happy to sit down with the Honorable Congressman.

2504
02:51:27,020 --> 02:51:27,420
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay.

2505
02:51:27,560 --> 02:51:28,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat po.

2506
02:51:29,160 --> 02:51:30,020
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: Thank you, Sec.

2507
02:51:30,080 --> 02:51:32,020
Rep. Sergio C. Dagooc: I hope na ma-arrange natin.

2508
02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:34,140
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr. Chair.

2509
02:51:34,140 --> 02:51:34,320
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr. Chair.

2510
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:35,080
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: ...

2511
02:51:35,300 --> 02:51:35,460
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: ...

2512
02:51:36,480 --> 02:51:37,620
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, Cong. Mark?

2513
02:51:38,280 --> 02:51:40,760
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: May I be included in

2514
02:51:40,760 --> 02:51:42,140
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: that group that

2515
02:51:42,140 --> 02:51:44,260
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: is going to meet with the Congressman?

2516
02:51:44,540 --> 02:51:45,360
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes. Yes, absolutely.

2517
02:51:45,980 --> 02:51:47,500
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Yes, thank you. Thank

2518
02:51:47,500 --> 02:51:48,200
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Cong. Mark.

2519
02:51:48,780 --> 02:51:52,160
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So next, may we call on...

2520
02:52:00,190 --> 02:52:01,490
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Tony Roman.

2521
02:52:02,230 --> 02:52:02,880
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2522
02:52:02,880 --> 02:52:03,530
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: The floor is yours.

2523
02:52:05,050 --> 02:52:12,370
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: A question regarding the NTA. Before I propel the question, just to contextualize, there's a bit of good news

2524
02:52:12,370 --> 02:52:16,130
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: that was reported on the floor earlier, that

2525
02:52:16,130 --> 02:52:18,650
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the NTA allocation from

2526
02:52:18,650 --> 02:52:21,150
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 2026 to 2027 increased.

2527
02:52:21,630 --> 02:52:23,490
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: That's a good sign.

2528
02:52:23,750 --> 02:52:27,750
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: But my concern relates to the distribution of the NTA.

2529
02:52:28,130 --> 02:52:30,230
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So perhaps may

2530
02:52:30,230 --> 02:52:33,050
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: I ask the Department of Finance to

2531
02:52:33,050 --> 02:52:33,810
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: help

2532
02:52:33,810 --> 02:52:37,570
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: elucidate on

2533
02:52:37,570 --> 02:52:38,270
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: that distribution?

2534
02:52:39,550 --> 02:52:41,730
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So currently, under

2535
02:52:41,730 --> 02:52:44,070
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the local government code, the

2536
02:52:44,070 --> 02:52:45,770
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: formula provides

2537
02:52:45,770 --> 02:52:46,850
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: that

2538
02:52:46,850 --> 02:52:49,170
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 23 percent goes

2539
02:52:49,170 --> 02:52:55,070
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: to cities, 20 percent goes to provinces, 34 percent  goes to municipalities, and 20 percent to barangays. Tama po ba?

2540
02:52:56,030 --> 02:52:56,870
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: It's correct?

2541
02:52:57,270 --> 02:52:57,930
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes.

2542
02:52:58,930 --> 02:53:00,650
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes. But there

2543
02:53:00,650 --> 02:53:04,850
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: are 149 cities sharing

2544
02:53:04,850 --> 02:53:08,610
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: in the 23 allocation for cities. Do

2545
02:53:08,610 --> 02:53:08,890
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: you confirm?

2546
02:53:12,510 --> 02:53:13,170
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes.

2547
02:53:13,810 --> 02:53:20,240
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And there are 1,493 municipalities sharing in the 34 that goes to municipalities.

2548
02:53:21,320 --> 02:53:24,920
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, I think DBM should be the one replying to the honorable congressman

2549
02:53:25,220 --> 02:53:27,160
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes. I turn to

2550
02:53:27,160 --> 02:53:27,560
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: DBM.

2551
02:53:28,300 --> 02:53:29,740
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor.

2552
02:53:29,940 --> 02:53:30,720
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please reply.

2553
02:53:31,260 --> 02:53:31,660
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Tama.

2554
02:53:31,820 --> 02:53:38,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As to the number of municipalities, we have 1,491, Your Honor, in 2025.

2555
02:53:38,760 --> 02:53:38,940
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Ninety-one.

2556
02:53:38,940 --> 02:53:39,120
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Okay.

2557
02:53:39,480 --> 02:53:42,100
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So from those statistics alone,

2558
02:53:44,100 --> 02:53:44,740
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: do

2559
02:53:44,740 --> 02:53:48,340
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: you agree that municipalities get less than cities?

2560
02:53:51,320 --> 02:54:02,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. Just considering the percentage of allocation and the number of LGUs, municipalities tend to receive less shares than the cities, Your Honor.

2561
02:54:02,720 --> 02:54:06,640
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yung mga cities po mas mayayaman sa municipalities. Tama po ba?

2562
02:54:08,790 --> 02:54:15,470
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes. Your Honor, considering higher tax base and higher capacity to levy taxes as well.

2563
02:54:15,470 --> 02:54:18,350
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And despite that, mas maliit po'y napupunta sa municipalities.

2564
02:54:20,250 --> 02:54:25,070
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is because of the allocation provided for under the Local Government Code, Your Honor.

2565
02:54:25,330 --> 02:54:25,590
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Okay.

2566
02:54:27,030 --> 02:54:30,450
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Do you also agree that there are more people in municipalities than in cities?

2567
02:54:35,480 --> 02:54:41,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, depending on municipality, that may not be absolute, Your Honor.

2568
02:54:41,940 --> 02:54:51,120
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: In general, if you lump together, group together all the municipalities, there are more people in municipalities than in cities. If there are 1,491 municipalities and

2569
02:54:51,120 --> 02:54:58,000
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: there are only 149 cities, it stands to reason that there are more people in 1,491 municipalities than there are in

2570
02:54:58,000 --> 02:54:59,700
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 149 cities. Tama po ba?

2571
02:54:59,940 --> 02:55:06,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If you're looking at the aggregate, Mr. Chair, Your Honor, of all municipalities, then the answer would be yes, Your Honor.

2572
02:55:06,440 --> 02:55:09,580
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: But as a group, they only get 34%, correct?

2573
02:55:09,900 --> 02:55:12,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on the formula of the Local Government Code, Your Honor.

2574
02:55:12,680 --> 02:55:13,040
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Okay.

2575
02:55:13,580 --> 02:55:15,280
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And do you agree that

2576
02:55:15,280 --> 02:55:16,680
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the...

2577
02:55:17,740 --> 02:55:18,960
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: utilization rate,

2578
02:55:19,080 --> 02:55:25,400
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the NTA utilization rate of municipalities is around 85 to 90

2579
02:55:32,500 --> 02:55:38,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As to utilization, Your Honor, we may have to confirm the actual rates.

2580
02:55:38,780 --> 02:55:41,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We just don't have the figures with us right now, Your Honor.

2581
02:55:41,500 --> 02:55:49,400
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Okay. Let me try this. With respect to the NTA utilization rate of cities, is it around 60 percent?

2582
02:55:53,820 --> 02:55:58,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We don't have the exact data of NTA utilization rate, Your Honor.

2583
02:55:59,300 --> 02:56:01,740
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Masasabi niyo ba na utilization rate,

2584
02:56:01,880 --> 02:56:05,280
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: para hindi na tayo eksakto, hindi na natin tinayang mga numero,

2585
02:56:05,520 --> 02:56:09,900
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: masasabi niyo ba sa abot ng inyong kaalaman na

2586
02:56:09,900 --> 02:56:15,440
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: utilization rate ng mga municipalities ay mas mataas kaysa utilization rate ng mga cities?

2587
02:56:19,270 --> 02:56:25,010
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, the closest that we can actually infer to is probably NTA dependence.

2588
02:56:25,590 --> 02:56:27,121
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes.

2589
02:56:27,121 --> 02:56:27,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So if we use that as an indicator,

2590
02:56:27,710 --> 02:56:31,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes. the NTA dependence is higher in municipalities than cities, Your Honor.

2591
02:56:32,050 --> 02:56:35,170
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Di ba, pagka mas mataas yung dependence, mas dapat binibigyan?

2592
02:56:36,270 --> 02:56:37,910
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: You don't have to feel defensive, ah?

2593
02:56:38,630 --> 02:56:42,230
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. We're just following, Your Honor, the formula of the local government code.

2594
02:56:42,450 --> 02:56:46,750
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Oo, tama. Pag politiko lang, pag mas mataas yung dependence, mas dapat binibigyan.

2595
02:56:51,870 --> 02:56:54,430
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: NTA dependence, as

2596
02:56:54,430 --> 02:56:55,190
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: a matter of policy.

2597
02:57:00,670 --> 02:57:11,110
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, on the statement na kapag mas mataas yung dependence, dapat mas binibigyan, we're looking at also, as we have mentioned a while ago, quality of spending as well.

2598
02:57:11,170 --> 02:57:11,650
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: No. Ceteris

2599
02:57:11,650 --> 02:57:12,090
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Paribus.

2600
02:57:12,970 --> 02:57:13,870
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Ceteris Paribus.

2601
02:57:15,030 --> 02:57:17,430
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Everything else being equal, if

2602
02:57:17,430 --> 02:57:20,210
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the NTA dependence is higher, that is reason to give that

2603
02:57:20,210 --> 02:57:21,370
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: entity more.

2604
02:57:29,390 --> 02:57:35,530
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Considering the allocation, Your Honor, then if there is ability to provide in addition to

2605
02:57:35,530 --> 02:57:41,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: those LGUs who will be needing more, then the answer would be a yes.

2606
02:57:41,990 --> 02:57:42,270
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes, okay.

2607
02:57:44,610 --> 02:57:53,950
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Ngayon po, after the NTA is distributed, following the formula provided by the local government code of

2608
02:57:53,950 --> 02:57:55,890
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 1991, tama po ba, 1991?

2609
02:57:56,670 --> 02:57:57,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor.

2610
02:57:57,870 --> 02:58:02,190
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Meron tong horizontal distribution formula na ginagamit, tama?

2611
02:58:03,070 --> 02:58:04,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor.

2612
02:58:04,870 --> 02:58:06,910
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And as I understand,

2613
02:58:07,250 --> 02:58:09,910
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 50 percent is based of the allocation, is based,

2614
02:58:11,170 --> 02:58:16,630
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: ito yung pagsabing horizontal within the category of municipalities, paano hahatiin ang mga municipalities,

2615
02:58:17,150 --> 02:58:17,410
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: tama?

2616
02:58:18,250 --> 02:58:19,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor.

2617
02:58:19,650 --> 02:58:20,070
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And

2618
02:58:20,070 --> 02:58:23,730
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: based on the formula, 50 percent goes to population,

2619
02:58:24,030 --> 02:58:24,350
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: tama?

2620
02:58:24,850 --> 02:58:26,030
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor.

2621
02:58:26,210 --> 02:58:27,590
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And 25

2622
02:58:27,970 --> 02:58:29,110
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: goes to land area, correct?

2623
02:58:29,710 --> 02:58:30,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor.

2624
02:58:31,510 --> 02:58:33,710
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: And then 25 equal distribution?

2625
02:58:34,750 --> 02:58:36,090
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor. Meaning,

2626
02:58:36,270 --> 02:58:38,550
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: yung 25 nalalalabi, to

2627
02:58:38,550 --> 02:58:41,290
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: be divided equally among and

2628
02:58:41,290 --> 02:58:41,910
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: by municipalities,

2629
02:58:42,230 --> 02:58:42,410
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: tama?

2630
02:58:42,570 --> 02:58:43,670
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor.

2631
02:58:44,830 --> 02:58:46,590
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Is there correlation between

2632
02:58:46,590 --> 02:58:52,270
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: population and income, so that the more populous a municipality is, the higher the income?

2633
02:59:09,680 --> 02:59:11,580
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yes Secretary Go

2634
02:59:11,580 --> 02:59:12,760
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I may help my

2635
02:59:12,760 --> 02:59:13,940
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please go ahead

2636
02:59:13,940 --> 02:59:14,300
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please go ahead

2637
02:59:14,300 --> 02:59:14,540
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: fellow Cabinet secretary

2638
02:59:14,540 --> 02:59:15,740
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think the

2639
02:59:16,380 --> 02:59:23,260
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I've actually in my short time at the Department of Finance, I actually noted everything

2640
02:59:23,260 --> 02:59:25,200
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: you are saying now.

2641
02:59:25,200 --> 02:59:26,740
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And so I looked into it.

2642
02:59:26,880 --> 02:59:28,120
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And I

2643
02:59:28,120 --> 02:59:29,440
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think

2644
02:59:29,440 --> 02:59:34,020
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the answers of my colleague from DBM is correct. We're just following the law.

2645
02:59:34,360 --> 02:59:34,900
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Tama.

2646
02:59:36,500 --> 02:59:37,980
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I noted, however,

2647
02:59:38,220 --> 02:59:40,620
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: exactly the two things you mentioned.

2648
02:59:41,240 --> 02:59:46,420
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So we actually had a discussion with the World Bank to

2649
02:59:46,420 --> 02:59:50,100
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: To take a look at this law and

2650
02:59:50,100 --> 02:59:53,560
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And to see if it was, if it needs to be, shall we say, updated.

2651
02:59:54,640 --> 02:59:57,100
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Or looked into. And

2652
02:59:57,100 --> 02:59:59,720
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: specifically with two other criteria in mind.

2653
02:59:59,920 --> 03:00:01,160
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: One was poverty.

2654
03:00:02,260 --> 03:00:04,140
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The incidence of poverty.

2655
03:00:04,400 --> 03:00:07,980
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And secondly, the absorptive capacity. Which

2656
03:00:07,980 --> 03:00:10,760
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: is, I think, exactly what you are leading towards

2657
03:00:10,760 --> 03:00:12,340
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: in the beginning of your

2658
03:00:12,340 --> 03:00:19,140
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: statements. So I actually have been, I

2659
03:00:19,140 --> 03:00:23,800
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: have actually taken a look at this. And I actually share your points

2660
03:00:23,800 --> 03:00:29,240
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: of view. But we're really just at this point following the law. So I think what we will do is we'll work with World Bank.

2661
03:00:29,500 --> 03:00:33,320
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: See if there are adjustments that can be made. And then maybe we will recommend it

2662
03:00:33,320 --> 03:00:36,860
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for the legislature's consideration.

2663
03:00:36,860 --> 03:00:40,060
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Opo. And another possible, another

2664
03:00:40,060 --> 03:00:44,500
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: criterion possibly that should be considered is also based on merit.

2665
03:00:46,300 --> 03:00:49,820
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Meritocracy such as outcomes. Or

2666
03:00:49,820 --> 03:00:53,140
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: SGLG

2667
03:00:53,140 --> 03:00:53,460
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: perhaps.

2668
03:00:54,700 --> 03:00:58,660
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So we have a more reliable, rational

2669
03:00:58,660 --> 03:01:01,200
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: way of distributing the NTA.

2670
03:01:01,340 --> 03:01:02,400
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: But let

2671
03:01:02,400 --> 03:01:03,420
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: me now turn to

2672
03:01:03,420 --> 03:01:06,020
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the LGSF.

2673
03:01:07,860 --> 03:01:11,520
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: I think, and for this question, I turn to the DBM.

2674
03:01:12,680 --> 03:01:15,400
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Ay, naubusan akong time. Is that 15 seconds left?

2675
03:01:15,980 --> 03:01:17,000
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes.

2676
03:01:17,000 --> 03:01:17,480
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Oh my gosh

2677
03:01:17,480 --> 03:01:17,880
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Last question, Cong. Tony.

2678
03:01:18,520 --> 03:01:20,520
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Then I will ask a compound question.

2679
03:01:22,140 --> 03:01:27,040
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: You say LGSF, I noticed the disbursement, it was dispersed more to cities.

2680
03:01:27,340 --> 03:01:27,900
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Why?

2681
03:01:28,400 --> 03:01:30,240
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Given the purpose of the LGSF.

2682
03:01:30,460 --> 03:01:32,440
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: The other one is

2683
03:01:32,440 --> 03:01:34,500
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: the unused appropriation from

2684
03:01:34,500 --> 03:01:37,920
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: 2010 to 2022. It's about 300 billion

2685
03:01:37,920 --> 03:01:40,100
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: pesos per year.

2686
03:01:41,600 --> 03:01:43,640
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: This could have been given to municipalities.

2687
03:01:44,340 --> 03:01:45,180
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Do you agree?

2688
03:01:45,820 --> 03:01:47,300
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So those are the last two questions.

2689
03:01:47,700 --> 03:01:51,560
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Cong. Tony, for those last two questions.

2690
03:01:52,180 --> 03:01:53,740
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim, please reply.

2691
03:01:54,000 --> 03:02:01,560
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, insofar as the 2026 LGSF, Financial Assistance to LGUs are concerned,

2692
03:02:02,180 --> 03:02:04,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the observation that more

2693
03:02:04,620 --> 03:02:14,280
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: releases were given to... cities. This is primarily because of the RICE Program as being rolled out currently by the President where

2694
03:02:14,280 --> 03:02:15,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it is based on population.

2695
03:02:16,120 --> 03:02:19,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So the population, actually, the share

2696
03:02:19,100 --> 03:02:20,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of...

2697
03:02:20,660 --> 03:02:24,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the larger population of municipalities were actually given to provinces

2698
03:02:25,880 --> 03:02:30,800
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Separate po yung binigay na allocation directly to cities. So that explains why

2699
03:02:30,800 --> 03:02:35,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher shares were given to cities but

2700
03:02:35,000 --> 03:02:36,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for the rest, there's a share between

2701
03:02:37,160 --> 03:02:39,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the province and the respective municipalities.

2702
03:02:40,880 --> 03:02:42,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on population, Your Honor.

2703
03:02:42,380 --> 03:02:43,860
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat.

2704
03:02:43,860 --> 03:02:45,160
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: The other question wasn't responded to.

2705
03:02:45,640 --> 03:02:48,780
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Yung second question. I already

2706
03:02:48,780 --> 03:03:00,180
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: asked it so don't take this against me. The unused appropriation on average from 2010 to 2022 is about 300 billion, give or take.

2707
03:03:02,580 --> 03:03:03,860
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: This, in

2708
03:03:03,860 --> 03:03:09,940
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: terms of putting together the budget and realigning it, this could have been given more to perhaps to help municipalities?

2709
03:03:10,960 --> 03:03:13,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Sorry, Your Honor. May we clarify the budget item?

2710
03:03:14,420 --> 03:03:15,580
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: Unused appropriation.

2711
03:03:16,400 --> 03:03:19,100
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: So there's an appropriation because of underutilization,

2712
03:03:19,440 --> 03:03:20,000
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: right?

2713
03:03:20,060 --> 03:03:20,980
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: There's a remaining budget.

2714
03:03:22,830 --> 03:03:24,030
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If you look at it,

2715
03:03:24,110 --> 03:03:25,890
Rep. Antonino B. Roman III: it's around 300 billion.

2716
03:03:27,550 --> 03:03:40,170
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Maybe, Your Honor, if you're referring to unused appropriations, if the funds are still valid for another fiscal year, that carry over to the next fiscal year. Otherwise, that reverts to the

2717
03:03:42,250 --> 03:03:44,770
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: unappropriated surplus of the general fund, Your Honor.

2718
03:03:44,970 --> 03:03:45,470
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay.

2719
03:03:45,730 --> 03:03:47,290
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat. Cong. Tony

2720
03:03:47,450 --> 03:03:49,090
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: pwede pa naman next round?

2721
03:03:51,450 --> 03:03:52,730
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Sec. Kim

2722
03:03:53,170 --> 03:03:54,690
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So we go to the next

2723
03:03:56,210 --> 03:03:58,910
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: colleague that will propound

2724
03:03:58,910 --> 03:04:01,310
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: his questions. May we call on

2725
03:04:02,990 --> 03:04:04,690
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Representative Chel Diokno

2726
03:04:05,650 --> 03:04:07,390
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sir, you have the floor. Please proceed.

2727
03:04:07,690 --> 03:04:10,990
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Magandang hapon po sa atin lahat.

2728
03:04:11,230 --> 03:04:17,810
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Bago po ako bawasan ng oras, I have a point of clarification that I would like to bring up with the Chair

2729
03:04:17,810 --> 03:04:18,770
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: if I could.

2730
03:04:19,230 --> 03:04:24,470
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Huwag sana po muna akong tanggalan ng seconds ko diyan. Last year,

2731
03:04:24,570 --> 03:04:27,170
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: I think it was very clear that our civil society

2732
03:04:28,190 --> 03:04:30,590
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: friends were given a

2733
03:04:30,590 --> 03:04:36,510
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: status in the budget process. Kinilala po sila, bagamat mga observers lang po sila,

2734
03:04:36,930 --> 03:04:38,470
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: they were able to participate.

2735
03:04:39,070 --> 03:04:44,310
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: But I understand that for this budget cycle, wala pa pong malinaw na

2736
03:04:45,090 --> 03:04:48,210
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: polisiya pagdating sa ating mga CSOs. I

2737
03:04:48,210 --> 03:04:49,850
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: would just like to bring this up

2738
03:04:49,850 --> 03:04:51,650
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: with the Chair

2739
03:04:51,650 --> 03:04:55,350
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: and ask for clear guidelines so that they can participate.

2740
03:04:57,460 --> 03:04:59,020
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2741
03:04:59,020 --> 03:05:00,180
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you for the question,

2742
03:05:01,320 --> 03:05:05,680
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Representative Diokno. So tomorrow, there is a coordination meeting.

2743
03:05:06,260 --> 03:05:07,640
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: With the civil

2744
03:05:09,320 --> 03:05:10,660
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: society and the

2745
03:05:11,500 --> 03:05:12,180
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: CPPRD.

2746
03:05:12,940 --> 03:05:20,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And they will finalize the guidelines on how the civil society can actively participate in

2747
03:05:20,220 --> 03:05:22,280
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: this year's budget process.

2748
03:05:22,780 --> 03:05:24,560
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you so much, Mr. Chair.

2749
03:05:24,660 --> 03:05:24,880
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: My

2750
03:05:24,880 --> 03:05:30,820
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: questions are primarily addressed to the Chair of the Department of Budget and Management. However,

2751
03:05:31,080 --> 03:05:34,900
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: other members of the DBCC may chime in if

2752
03:05:34,900 --> 03:05:36,860
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: you would like to contribute as well.

2753
03:05:37,200 --> 03:05:43,880
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Napansin po natin na tumaas nga ang budget for this year based on the proposed budget by

2754
03:05:43,880 --> 03:05:45,700
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 6%. Pero

2755
03:05:45,700 --> 03:05:46,860
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: tila,

2756
03:05:46,860 --> 03:05:47,740
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: parang

2757
03:05:47,740 --> 03:05:49,320
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: nabawasan naman ang pondo

2758
03:05:49,320 --> 03:05:53,280
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: para sa mga ahensyang direktang namumuhunan sa ating mga tao.

2759
03:05:53,500 --> 03:05:55,500
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: I'm referring to the budgets for

2760
03:05:55,500 --> 03:05:57,360
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: education, for

2761
03:05:57,360 --> 03:06:00,680
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: health, skills development, and social protection.

2762
03:06:01,180 --> 03:06:03,640
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: For example, sa edukasyon,

2763
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:05,080
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: bumaba na from

2764
03:06:06,180 --> 03:06:13,060
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 961.3 billion ang DepEd budget ay naging 916.7 B

2765
03:06:13,060 --> 03:06:13,500
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: na lang.

2766
03:06:13,860 --> 03:06:18,740
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Sa SUCs naman, mula 137.9 B naging

2767
03:06:18,740 --> 03:06:20,520
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 134.5.

2768
03:06:21,000 --> 03:06:26,820
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Sa CHED, mula 47.5 billion, bumaba sa 34.6 billion.

2769
03:06:27,060 --> 03:06:28,460
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: At sa TESDA, from

2770
03:06:28,460 --> 03:06:30,020
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 26 billion,

2771
03:06:30,280 --> 03:06:32,480
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: it went down to 20.8.

2772
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:35,620
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: And the same would apply to the Department of Health.

2773
03:06:35,740 --> 03:06:36,960
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: It went down a

2774
03:06:36,960 --> 03:06:39,420
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: substantial amount as well, around 30 billion.

2775
03:06:40,020 --> 03:06:41,100
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: PhilHealth also

2776
03:06:41,100 --> 03:06:44,140
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: went down by roughly more

2777
03:06:44,140 --> 03:06:45,800
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: than 50 billion. The

2778
03:06:45,800 --> 03:06:49,860
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: same would apply as well to the DSWD. Kaya ang tanong ko po sa

2779
03:06:49,860 --> 03:06:51,840
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: DBM at sa DBCC,

2780
03:06:52,520 --> 03:06:53,520
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: bakit tila

2781
03:06:53,520 --> 03:06:57,420
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: ayaw mamuhunan ng gobyerno natin sa sarili natin mga mamamayan?

2782
03:06:59,740 --> 03:07:06,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, yun pong mga naobserbahan po na decrease into the

2783
03:07:06,300 --> 03:07:10,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mentioned departments took into account the

2784
03:07:10,040 --> 03:07:15,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: absorptive capacity of these agencies and their capacity to implement their current programs.

2785
03:07:15,420 --> 03:07:18,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Gaya po nang nabanggit natin, halimbawa po sa DepEd,

2786
03:07:18,600 --> 03:07:23,420
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang decrease po na 39.346 billion ay

2787
03:07:23,420 --> 03:07:28,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dahil po sa kanilang mababang utilization or ongoing utilization ng

2788
03:07:28,240 --> 03:07:30,560
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanilang kasalukuyang budget for

2789
03:07:30,560 --> 03:07:36,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the school building program. And in 2027, kasama rin po sa ating consideration,

2790
03:07:37,340 --> 03:07:39,420
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay yun pong school

2791
03:07:39,420 --> 03:07:43,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: buildings that will be funded not only by the National

2792
03:07:43,160 --> 03:07:49,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Expenditure Program, but also through existing public-private partnerships na kasalukuyang pong

2793
03:07:49,640 --> 03:07:52,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ina-assess or in-evaluate.

2794
03:07:52,680 --> 03:07:57,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ganon din po, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, ang naging dahilan sa

2795
03:07:57,460 --> 03:07:58,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOH,

2796
03:07:58,380 --> 03:07:59,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lalo na po sa kanilang

2797
03:07:59,920 --> 03:08:02,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Health Facilities Enhancement Fund, na

2798
03:08:02,820 --> 03:08:04,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kasalukuyang hindi pa po nila

2799
03:08:04,640 --> 03:08:07,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: naia-award. Kasalukuyang pa lang pong pinoprocure.

2800
03:08:08,020 --> 03:08:10,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At yun pong Medical Assistance to Indigent

2801
03:08:10,680 --> 03:08:17,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Patients ay ibinalik din po natin sa NEP level, hindi dahil ayaw po natin bigyan ang

2802
03:08:17,720 --> 03:08:25,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ating mga kababayan ng tulong, kundi ito po kasi ay iko-cover na supposedly ng Expanded Zero Balance Billing Program na

2803
03:08:25,700 --> 03:08:29,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sinoportahan naman po natin sa ilalim ng PhilHealth.

2804
03:08:29,240 --> 03:08:34,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As for the other agencies, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, aside from budget utilization,

2805
03:08:35,180 --> 03:08:42,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron din pong mga one-time capital expenditure, katulad po ng ating mga state universities and colleges na

2806
03:08:42,940 --> 03:08:49,800
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi naman po mauulit sa 2027. Gayon din po yung mga release na ating kinoconsider outside the GAA,

2807
03:08:50,480 --> 03:08:54,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: katulad na lamang po yung pag-settle natin ngayon lamang buwan na ito ng

2808
03:08:54,640 --> 03:08:57,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: almost 10 billion in arrears from

2809
03:08:57,960 --> 03:09:00,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: free higher education na

2810
03:09:00,240 --> 03:09:05,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: magagamit po ng ating mga SUCs, hindi lamang po ngayong taon kundi maging hanggang

2811
03:09:05,000 --> 03:09:12,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2027 para sa patuloy nilang operasyon at pagpapaunlad po ng kanilang mga pasilidad at serbisyo, Your Honor.

2812
03:09:14,060 --> 03:09:19,800
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Kung ganun po, if that is the case, well then my next question would be why

2813
03:09:19,800 --> 03:09:31,600
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: is it that the budget for DPWH was increased by 112 billion when I understand that there are similar issues with absorptive capacity and

2814
03:09:31,600 --> 03:09:36,340
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: underutilization, among others not including issues of corruption with

2815
03:09:36,340 --> 03:09:37,020
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: the DPWH.

2816
03:09:39,480 --> 03:09:44,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, dito po sa DPWH, these

2817
03:09:44,380 --> 03:09:49,800
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: are different, not only different set of projects that are also non-recurring pero

2818
03:09:49,800 --> 03:09:55,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nakita po natin that these projects are implementation ready at gaya po nang nabanggit kanina

2819
03:09:55,820 --> 03:09:56,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: will

2820
03:09:56,480 --> 03:10:02,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: also contribute or will have a greater multiplier effect that's why the overall direction as

2821
03:10:02,520 --> 03:10:05,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: part of the Build Better More program was to support

2822
03:10:05,120 --> 03:10:09,560
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: also this infrastructure project so if taken side by with side, with the

2823
03:10:09,560 --> 03:10:15,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DepEd and HPEP yung po kasing capacity ng agencies to absorb or implement additional programs,

2824
03:10:15,900 --> 03:10:20,020
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: additional funds for additional infrastructure projects ay

2825
03:10:20,020 --> 03:10:25,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kasama po dun sa atin pong consideration sa evaluation Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

2826
03:10:25,940 --> 03:10:28,240
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you. Thank you for your inputs.

2827
03:10:28,600 --> 03:10:29,740
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Isa pa pong tanong,

2828
03:10:30,620 --> 03:10:34,120
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: napansin din namin na sabay-sabay bumaba ang budget

2829
03:10:34,540 --> 03:10:37,520
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: for DepEd, CHED, SUCs,

2830
03:10:37,680 --> 03:10:39,600
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: TESDA, DOH,

2831
03:10:39,680 --> 03:10:42,860
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: PhilHealth, and DSWD and

2832
03:10:42,860 --> 03:10:44,780
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: this is all happening within

2833
03:10:44,780 --> 03:10:46,120
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: the same budget cycle

2834
03:10:47,260 --> 03:10:51,140
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Napag-usapan ba ito? Is there a policy rationale for

2835
03:10:51,140 --> 03:10:53,560
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: bringing down the budgets for these

2836
03:10:54,080 --> 03:10:57,080
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: frontline departments of our government?

2837
03:10:57,940 --> 03:11:15,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, wala pong isang straightforward reason or policy na bawasan po itong mga nabanggit na departments Again, dumaan po sa evaluation yung bawat isang programa po ng bawat isang department Again, for PhilHealth,

2838
03:11:15,280 --> 03:11:20,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, kung atin pong ikukumpara yung kanilang 2027 NEP

2839
03:11:20,100 --> 03:11:27,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: from the 2026 GAA, nasa 2026 GAA po kasi yung pagbabalik ng 60 billion na

2840
03:11:28,100 --> 03:11:33,180
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: iniutos po ng Supreme Court That is why that's really a contributor, a one-time

2841
03:11:33,180 --> 03:11:36,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: return of the 60 billion to PhilHealth

2842
03:11:36,060 --> 03:11:37,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Pagdating naman po sa

2843
03:11:38,620 --> 03:11:45,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DA, ganun din po yung naging consideration yung kanila pong implementation na kanilang farm-to-market roads and

2844
03:11:45,780 --> 03:11:51,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for the DSWD po ay ibinalik lamang po natin sa NEP level yung

2845
03:11:51,000 --> 03:11:53,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanila pong provision for their

2846
03:11:53,240 --> 03:11:58,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: AIC sa program. But there is no singular or unilateral rule, Your Honor na

2847
03:11:58,520 --> 03:12:01,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bawasan po yung mga budget po ng nabanggit na department,

2848
03:12:02,300 --> 03:12:08,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dumaan lamang po dun sa ating po evaluation and tinignan po natin yung status ang implementation ng

2849
03:12:08,520 --> 03:12:12,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanila pong budget for the current year, Your Honor Mr. Chair.

2850
03:12:14,970 --> 03:12:16,370
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Isa pa pong tanong.

2851
03:12:17,110 --> 03:12:21,390
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: I saw in the slide presentation that you gave the

2852
03:12:22,100 --> 03:12:24,910
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: members of the committee this morning that

2853
03:12:24,910 --> 03:12:26,810
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: your computation of

2854
03:12:26,810 --> 03:12:30,790
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: the budget allocation for education ay

2855
03:12:30,790 --> 03:12:34,090
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: nasa 3.99 percent ng GDP

2856
03:12:35,230 --> 03:12:36,030
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: but

2857
03:12:36,030 --> 03:12:37,050
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: sa

2858
03:12:37,050 --> 03:12:40,090
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: aming mismong pag-estima ang

2859
03:12:40,090 --> 03:12:44,170
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: nakita lang po namin is it only reaches around 3.3 percent

2860
03:12:46,110 --> 03:12:51,370
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: May I know how you came out with this 3.99 of

2861
03:12:51,370 --> 03:12:52,670
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: GDP number?

2862
03:12:54,620 --> 03:12:58,240
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Ano pong mga isinama niyong mga items

2863
03:12:58,240 --> 03:12:58,760
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: doon?

2864
03:12:59,320 --> 03:13:06,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor kabilang po sa nakatag po under the education sector budget is aside po doon sa

2865
03:13:07,180 --> 03:13:10,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget ng kani-kanyang mga national government agencies

2866
03:13:11,220 --> 03:13:12,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Nandyan din po yung budget

2867
03:13:13,740 --> 03:13:21,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allocated for education from the block grant that we are giving to the Bangsamoro Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao

2868
03:13:21,400 --> 03:13:23,740
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Gayon din po yung bahagi ng

2869
03:13:23,740 --> 03:13:30,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: national tax allotment to the local government units that we can attribute to education as

2870
03:13:30,520 --> 03:13:37,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: well as internally generated funds that are being retained by our state universities and colleges that are not remitted to

2871
03:13:37,380 --> 03:13:45,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the national treasury but they can actually spend it for education by 2027 Your Honor.

2872
03:13:45,100 --> 03:13:52,440
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: So kasama rin po dyan ang mga halimbawa PNP Academy Philippine Military Academy

2873
03:13:52,440 --> 03:13:54,880
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Local Government Academies.

2874
03:13:54,880 --> 03:14:02,560
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor for 2027 hindi po kasama dito yung pong inyong nabanggit na Philippine Military Academy

2875
03:14:03,160 --> 03:14:08,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Local Government Academy so we only included agencies directly connected

2876
03:14:08,760 --> 03:14:10,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to basic and

2877
03:14:10,440 --> 03:14:14,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education including that implemented by our local government units

2878
03:14:17,700 --> 03:14:21,720
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: I'm happy to hear that but I am still a bit

2879
03:14:21,720 --> 03:14:26,120
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: disappointed that the computation does not only cover the

2880
03:14:26,120 --> 03:14:27,240
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: core education

2881
03:14:27,240 --> 03:14:29,840
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: agencies because if we were to compute it

2882
03:14:29,840 --> 03:14:35,000
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: based on the core education agencies, sa tingin ko hindi po aabot ng

2883
03:14:35,000 --> 03:14:38,340
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: 3.99 percent of the GDP yung

2884
03:14:38,340 --> 03:14:39,980
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: computation na yan Mr.

2885
03:14:40,140 --> 03:14:47,740
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair while we can submit po the detailed list on how we came up with the 3.99 percent meron po kasing mga

2886
03:14:47,740 --> 03:14:50,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: programa na at na

2887
03:14:50,000 --> 03:15:00,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kaakibat po ng basic education but were actually lodged directly sa iba pong mga ahensya katulad na lamang po ng school based feeding program ng DepEd hindi

2888
03:15:00,100 --> 03:15:04,151
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: lamang po ang DepEd ang may component po sa school based feeding program meron po

2889
03:15:04,151 --> 03:15:05,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: din po sa ilalim ng

2890
03:15:07,000 --> 03:15:20,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: National Dairy Authority, ganun din po sa Philippine Carabao Center bilang bahagi po ng school based feeding program but we'd be happy to submit your honor Mr. Chair the detailed breakdown of the education sector budget.

2891
03:15:20,980 --> 03:15:27,540
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Thank you Mr. Chair we would welcome that just in closing we urge the committee to review and reprioritize funding

2892
03:15:28,160 --> 03:15:31,080
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: for our schools, state universities, health

2893
03:15:31,080 --> 03:15:32,740
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: services and social protection.

2894
03:15:33,080 --> 03:15:35,380
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: Ang tunay na po sa foundation po

2895
03:15:35,380 --> 03:15:35,687
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: ng

2896
03:15:35,687 --> 03:15:37,840
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: isang mas matatag at maunlad na bansa

2897
03:15:38,240 --> 03:15:41,300
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: ay ang pamumuhunan sa ating mga mamamayan, sa

2898
03:15:41,300 --> 03:15:43,120
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: ating mga estudyante manggagawa,

2899
03:15:43,220 --> 03:15:46,220
Rep. Jose Manuel Tadeo "Chel" I. Diokno: pamilya at komunidad. Maraming salamat Mr. Chair

2900
03:15:47,720 --> 03:15:50,580
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat Representative Diokno

2901
03:15:51,620 --> 03:15:53,920
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now move to our next

2902
03:15:55,160 --> 03:15:55,840
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: colleague

2903
03:15:56,260 --> 03:15:58,400
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: from the majority may

2904
03:15:58,400 --> 03:15:59,140
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on

2905
03:16:00,080 --> 03:16:01,440
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congressman Javi

2906
03:16:01,440 --> 03:16:02,300
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Benitez

2907
03:16:03,400 --> 03:16:05,440
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: please proceed

2908
03:16:07,430 --> 03:16:08,250
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Thank you Mr. Chair

2909
03:16:09,190 --> 03:16:13,090
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and good day to our honorable secretaries so

2910
03:16:13,090 --> 03:16:14,250
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: this

2911
03:16:14,250 --> 03:16:19,890
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: representation I'd like to raise on a matter that is at heart and about keeping a promise so

2912
03:16:19,890 --> 03:16:24,470
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: last year the Philippine creative economy was valued at 2.12 trillion pesos

2913
03:16:25,390 --> 03:16:29,830
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: that is 7.6 percent of our gross domestic product it

2914
03:16:29,830 --> 03:16:33,270
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: supported 8.71 million jobs or

2915
03:16:34,290 --> 03:16:35,314
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 17.8 percent

2916
03:16:35,314 --> 03:16:38,386
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: of

2917
03:16:38,386 --> 03:16:40,270
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: all Filipino workers

2918
03:16:41,150 --> 03:16:46,310
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: so these are the figures from the PSA for 2025 which reported growth of 6.9 percent

2919
03:16:47,090 --> 03:16:50,950
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: from 1.98 trillion pesos the year before and

2920
03:16:50,950 --> 03:16:56,830
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: yet Madam, Mr. Chair when I opened the 2027 national expenditure program I

2921
03:16:56,830 --> 03:16:58,430
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: see the opposite of ambition

2922
03:16:59,250 --> 03:17:04,890
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the cultural center of the Philippines falls from 755.5 million this year to

2923
03:17:04,890 --> 03:17:08,290
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 452 million next year the

2924
03:17:08,290 --> 03:17:12,710
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: film development council falls to 311.7 million the

2925
03:17:12,710 --> 03:17:17,690
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: national commission for culture and the arts drops from 775.7 million to

2926
03:17:17,690 --> 03:17:20,450
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 152.9 million

2927
03:17:21,210 --> 03:17:26,970
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the national book development board goes down to 165.2 million the

2928
03:17:26,970 --> 03:17:30,610
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: design center to 199.9 million and

2929
03:17:30,610 --> 03:17:33,510
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the Malikhaing Pinoy program the flagship of

2930
03:17:33,510 --> 03:17:34,070
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: our

2931
03:17:34,070 --> 03:17:40,650
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: administration once funded 360 million then 100 million then

2932
03:17:40,650 --> 03:17:42,070
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 50 million then

2933
03:17:42,070 --> 03:17:46,210
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: now Mr. Chair carries no line item at all zero

2934
03:17:46,950 --> 03:17:52,750
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: so all the creative agencies we track up add to 2.24 billion pesos that

2935
03:17:52,750 --> 03:17:55,170
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: is roughly three hundredths of

2936
03:17:55,170 --> 03:17:56,630
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 1 percent of

2937
03:17:56,630 --> 03:17:58,690
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: a 7.2 trillion peso budget

2938
03:17:59,550 --> 03:18:06,270
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and this brings me to the promise Mr. Chair Republic Act 12023 says in plain language that 5 percent of

2939
03:18:06,270 --> 03:18:11,270
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the incremental revenue from the VAT on digital service providers shall be allocated and

2940
03:18:11,270 --> 03:18:12,790
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: used exclusively for

2941
03:18:12,790 --> 03:18:18,670
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the development of the creative industries as defined by Republic Act 11904 for the first five years

2942
03:18:19,990 --> 03:18:20,670
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and

2943
03:18:20,670 --> 03:18:21,450
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: I hold a certification

2944
03:18:21,450 --> 03:18:22,010
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: from

2945
03:18:22,010 --> 03:18:26,530
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the Bureau of Internal Revenue dated March 2, 2026 transmitted

2946
03:18:26,530 --> 03:18:30,610
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: to Secretary Go by the Commissioner it

2947
03:18:30,610 --> 03:18:43,190
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: certifies that from August to December 2025 the BIR collected 6.361 billion pesos and 85 centavos in VAT from non-resident digital services providers on

2948
03:18:43,190 --> 03:18:44,590
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: business to consumer transactions

2949
03:18:45,190 --> 03:18:49,730
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the 5 percent share for the creative industries is certified at 318 million

2950
03:18:49,730 --> 03:18:56,330
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 82,096 pesos and 74 centavos so

2951
03:18:56,330 --> 03:19:05,670
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: during last year's DBCC briefing Mr. Chair this representation secured commitments on the record that this 5 percent share would be implemented ang

2952
03:19:05,670 --> 03:19:09,190
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: sabi po nila marireflect po ito sa NEP 2027 I

2953
03:19:09,190 --> 03:19:12,770
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: will not name names today and I will only ask what we

2954
03:19:13,330 --> 03:19:14,510
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: what we

2955
03:19:14,510 --> 03:19:16,650
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: honor what was said so

2956
03:19:16,650 --> 03:19:24,190
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: allow me respectfully to ask a few questions first to the Department of Finance to Secretary Go who

2957
03:19:24,190 --> 03:19:29,290
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: is actually a good friend of my father's they played badminton before and I'd

2958
03:19:29,290 --> 03:19:33,690
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: like to respectfully ask will the Department validate on the record that

2959
03:19:33,690 --> 03:19:36,830
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 318,082,096 pesos

2960
03:19:37,330 --> 03:19:40,770
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: has been collected and certified

2961
03:19:41,330 --> 03:20:00,170
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and will you state that the total digital VAT collected to date including 2026 and the running 5 share the creative industries are owed so basically Mr. Secretary if you can confirm that certification from BIR and what is the number of collections to date.

2962
03:20:02,630 --> 03:20:07,490
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you Mr. Chair Your Honor will verify just before I confirm

2963
03:20:10,760 --> 03:20:11,400
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: ...

2964
03:20:29,730 --> 03:20:34,370
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your honor, I think could we kindly indulge you to repeat the number just so that I

2965
03:20:34,370 --> 03:20:36,230
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think there's some confusion

2966
03:20:36,230 --> 03:20:37,410
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Yes

2967
03:20:39,070 --> 03:20:43,110
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 318,082,096 pesos has

2968
03:20:43,110 --> 03:20:45,190
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: been collected and certified so this is

2969
03:20:46,830 --> 03:20:49,530
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Chair let me pull up the certification

2970
03:20:50,330 --> 03:20:50,970
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I

2971
03:20:59,840 --> 03:21:02,700
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think your number sounds correct

2972
03:21:02,700 --> 03:21:03,300
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I'm

2973
03:21:03,300 --> 03:21:05,000
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: sorry but we don't have a document to

2974
03:21:05,660 --> 03:21:07,360
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: that has that exact number

2975
03:21:08,260 --> 03:21:10,290
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Chair, Secretary Go...

2976
03:21:10,290 --> 03:21:12,320
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes here

2977
03:21:12,320 --> 03:21:14,420
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 318 million 082

2978
03:21:15,380 --> 03:21:16,880
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 096

2979
03:21:16,880 --> 03:21:22,160
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Yes from August to December 2025 there is certification signed by

2980
03:21:22,160 --> 03:21:24,460
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes we are confirming, we are confirming, 318 million

2981
03:21:25,270 --> 03:21:32,620
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and may we also have the number from because it's only until December 2025 the running collections to date

2982
03:21:33,130 --> 03:21:34,620
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: even half a year if there's any

2983
03:21:37,730 --> 03:21:41,040
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: so 5 percent of 9.4 billion

2984
03:21:41,860 --> 03:21:42,288
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Okay

2985
03:21:42,288 --> 03:21:43,572
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: thank you Mr.

2986
03:21:43,572 --> 03:21:44,680
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Chair, second

2987
03:21:44,680 --> 03:21:50,680
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: has a special account in the general fund for this been earmarked and created

2988
03:21:51,920 --> 03:21:59,960
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: as of this hearing I can find no issuance from the DBM DOF or the treasury that creates it and I'll be happy to be corrected

2989
03:22:00,640 --> 03:22:05,760
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Secretary Mr. Chair I believe may we also ask Mr.

2990
03:22:07,240 --> 03:22:08,700
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Secretary of DBM

2991
03:22:09,620 --> 03:22:15,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair your Honor based on records we are currently working with DTI for

2992
03:22:15,040 --> 03:22:22,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the setting up of the respective UACS code so that the SAGF for this account to be properly established so

2993
03:22:22,980 --> 03:22:26,660
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we're working with DTI on this matter your Honor

2994
03:22:26,660 --> 03:22:37,100
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Thank you Mr. Chair and thank you Secretary Kim Once the account exists I just want to put on record that to

2995
03:22:37,100 --> 03:22:40,240
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: answer to this will the 5 percent share flow

2996
03:22:40,240 --> 03:22:44,960
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: as automatic appropriations given that it is a statutory earmark of

2997
03:22:44,960 --> 03:22:46,740
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: a special fund if

2998
03:22:46,740 --> 03:22:53,060
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the position of the DBM is that it requires annual appropriations cover I ask you to cite the legal basis please and

2999
03:22:53,060 --> 03:22:55,980
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: to commit to reflecting the full amount either way so

3000
03:22:55,980 --> 03:23:09,280
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: basically Mr. Chair the collections of this nakalagay po sa ating batas na dapat ilagay sa special fund na may special automatic appropriations pero nakolek po siya pero hindi pa na like

3001
03:23:09,680 --> 03:23:11,300
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: create ang fund so

3002
03:23:11,860 --> 03:23:21,000
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: we are asking our good Honorable Secretaries if they can commit that this will be created and if this will be funded automatically

3003
03:23:23,020 --> 03:23:25,640
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please respond.

3004
03:23:30,280 --> 03:23:37,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair your Honor will be conferring with our colleagues with DOF on the proper booking but we are also referring to

3005
03:23:38,340 --> 03:23:46,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: section 19 of the law which created the creative industry development fund

3006
03:23:47,120 --> 03:23:53,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: which refers to where possibly the funds will accrue but definitely your Honor we'll

3007
03:23:53,160 --> 03:24:01,740
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: finalize as well and collaborate with our colleagues from the BTR and DOF to finalize the arrangement for the fund your Honor so

3008
03:24:03,270 --> 03:24:07,870
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Chair I'd like to invite our colleagues on this ito

3009
03:24:07,870 --> 03:24:11,710
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: po ay hindi tungkol sa gastos mismo pero

3010
03:24:11,710 --> 03:24:15,030
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: ito tungkol sa ating talino at

3011
03:24:15,030 --> 03:24:16,990
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: sa sining ng ating Pilipino

3012
03:24:17,870 --> 03:24:27,810
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: I believe that we are a creative nation and if we invest in our creative industries as mentioned of gaano kalaki ang binibigay ng ating mga creative workforces

3013
03:24:27,810 --> 03:24:29,870
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: from in

3014
03:24:29,870 --> 03:24:31,650
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: all creative

3015
03:24:31,650 --> 03:24:36,610
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: industries malaki po ang mabibigay na halaga para sa ating bansa para

3016
03:24:36,610 --> 03:24:40,910
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: sama-sama nating isulong ang mas malikhaing kinabukasan para sa Pilipinas

3017
03:24:41,690 --> 03:24:42,410
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you

3018
03:24:42,410 --> 03:24:43,030
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Thank you

3019
03:24:43,790 --> 03:24:47,010
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Benitez your time is up

3020
03:24:47,870 --> 03:24:49,410
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: and we

3021
03:24:49,410 --> 03:24:53,450
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: will monitor the creation of such fund as

3022
03:24:55,610 --> 03:24:59,290
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: said by Secretary Kim maraming salamat po

3023
03:25:00,290 --> 03:25:03,050
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: so next can

3024
03:25:03,050 --> 03:25:04,610
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on the Honorable

3025
03:25:05,570 --> 03:25:07,630
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Leila de Lima

3026
03:25:07,630 --> 03:25:08,350
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ma'am please proceed

3027
03:25:08,350 --> 03:25:10,510
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: maraming salamat po Mr. Chair good afternoon

3028
03:25:11,910 --> 03:25:16,610
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: I'll start with unprogrammed appropriations just a few questions on

3029
03:25:17,870 --> 03:25:21,450
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: UA items before I go to other items

3030
03:25:21,450 --> 03:25:23,230
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: So sa UA, why does

3031
03:25:24,480 --> 03:25:27,840
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the Executive Department insist on including

3032
03:25:28,840 --> 03:25:31,220
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations in its annual NEP

3033
03:25:31,220 --> 03:25:32,380
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: despite

3034
03:25:33,120 --> 03:25:35,840
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: serious constitutional issues involved

3035
03:25:36,840 --> 03:25:41,420
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: I think you are aware of the pending petitions before the Supreme Court there are four

3036
03:25:41,420 --> 03:25:47,700
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: consolidated petitions before the Supreme Court questioning the constitutionality of

3037
03:25:47,700 --> 03:25:50,540
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations so

3038
03:25:50,540 --> 03:25:53,980
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: why is it always the mindset of

3039
03:25:53,980 --> 03:25:56,280
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the Executive Department to include

3040
03:25:57,120 --> 03:26:04,760
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations is the core position of the economic managers or the DBCC that

3041
03:26:04,760 --> 03:26:08,960
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations are an

3042
03:26:08,960 --> 03:26:09,920
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: absolute necessity

3043
03:26:13,450 --> 03:26:14,590
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: kailangan po ba talaga

3044
03:26:15,490 --> 03:26:21,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair your honor the inclusion of the unprogrammed appropriations in the

3045
03:26:21,490 --> 03:26:24,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: National Expenditure Program recognizes both the

3046
03:26:25,490 --> 03:26:31,490
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: need for the projects to be funded under the unprogrammed appropriations which by the very nature are

3047
03:26:31,490 --> 03:26:39,970
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: still contingent and depending on the triggers as we have proposed in the NEP while we are cognizant that there are

3048
03:26:39,970 --> 03:26:44,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: petitions being heard or heard by the Supreme Court the

3049
03:26:44,950 --> 03:26:48,890
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Executive maintains but upon submission of the UA has

3050
03:26:48,890 --> 03:26:49,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: limited the

3051
03:26:49,870 --> 03:26:54,290
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proposed uses of the unprogrammed appropriations to

3052
03:26:54,290 --> 03:26:55,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: only those which

3053
03:26:55,870 --> 03:26:58,530
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: are really necessity for 2027 among

3054
03:26:59,190 --> 03:27:03,170
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: others we have limited the proposed use to only four including

3055
03:27:03,170 --> 03:27:07,750
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: those for foreign assisted projects that are not yet approved by

3056
03:27:07,750 --> 03:27:10,690
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the ED Council at the time the budget was prepared

3057
03:27:11,050 --> 03:27:12,370
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as well as for some

3058
03:27:13,190 --> 03:27:17,230
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: contingency for risk management for our PPP projects and

3059
03:27:17,230 --> 03:27:22,570
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the partial restoration of the fund balance of the PDIC Your Honor Mr. Chair

3060
03:27:22,630 --> 03:27:26,430
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Yes, this representation does note the fact that comparatively compared

3061
03:27:26,430 --> 03:27:30,470
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: with the UAs in the previous years the

3062
03:27:30,470 --> 03:27:37,150
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: items now are lesser it seems that the Executive is now more circumspect about

3063
03:27:37,150 --> 03:27:41,470
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the inclusion of unprogrammed appropriations in the in

3064
03:27:41,470 --> 03:27:48,130
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the NEP because you know since the 2026 NEP deliberations this representation has

3065
03:27:48,130 --> 03:27:50,330
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: been consistently opposing

3066
03:27:51,390 --> 03:27:59,590
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: unprogrammed appropriations just to be very clear hindi ko po sinasabi na bawasan ito, hindi ko rin po sinasabi na i-zero ito

3067
03:27:59,590 --> 03:28:04,970
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: pero ang pinaka-position ko po ay kailangan ho ay tanggalin nang tuluyan

3068
03:28:04,970 --> 03:28:06,070
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: pero meron pa rin ho

3069
03:28:06,070 --> 03:28:09,510
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: you know in the 2027 NEP we

3070
03:28:09,510 --> 03:28:16,310
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: have the 57 billion for restoring the fund balances of the Philippine Deposit Insurance Corporation we

3071
03:28:16,310 --> 03:28:20,490
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: have also the 42.553 billion for

3072
03:28:20,490 --> 03:28:27,750
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: support to foreign assisted projects meron din po yung 3.6 billion for the program on risk management

3073
03:28:27,750 --> 03:28:30,690
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Doon po sa restoring the fund balances of the PDIC

3074
03:28:31,170 --> 03:28:33,090
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: hindi po ba fixed na po ang halaga nito?

3075
03:28:33,550 --> 03:28:37,370
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Alam na po ang purpose, walang tanong, walang haka-haka

3076
03:28:37,370 --> 03:28:42,890
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: so bakit po  hindi ito nakalagay sa programmed appropriations na lang?

3077
03:28:42,890 --> 03:28:43,911
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Since nandyan na

3078
03:28:45,030 --> 03:28:53,582
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Is there any particular reason why you chose to put them in the unpaid in the unprogrammed appropriations item

3079
03:28:53,582 --> 03:28:53,878
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Ganoon din po

3080
03:28:53,878 --> 03:28:59,190
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: sa support to foreign assisted projects. Alin po sa mga proyekto nito ang

3081
03:28:59,190 --> 03:29:02,940
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: perfected loan agreement na at

3082
03:29:02,940 --> 03:29:06,360
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: ilan po ang inaasahang magiging be effective sa loob ng 2027

3083
03:29:06,360 --> 03:29:08,960
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: fiscal year

3084
03:29:08,960 --> 03:29:10,910
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 2027

3085
03:29:10,910 --> 03:29:13,750
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: kung identified na po ang proyekto

3086
03:29:13,750 --> 03:29:14,540
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: bakit

3087
03:29:14,540 --> 03:29:19,380
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: hindi na lang ito ilagay ang funding directly sa the budget ng

3088
03:29:19,380 --> 03:29:21,490
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: implementing agency

3089
03:29:21,490 --> 03:29:22,330
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: I

3090
03:29:22,330 --> 03:29:24,820
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: have really very serious constitutional question

3091
03:29:24,820 --> 03:29:32,530
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: about unprogrammed appropriations foremost of which is an undue delegation of the Congress's  power

3092
03:29:32,530 --> 03:29:35,120
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: of the purse and

3093
03:29:35,120 --> 03:29:39,410
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: isa pang tanong ko po bago nyo po sagutin yung mga una kong

3094
03:29:39,410 --> 03:29:42,540
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: tanong paano po ba

3095
03:29:42,540 --> 03:29:43,890
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: kung

3096
03:29:43,890 --> 03:29:46,620
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: na-enact na po

3097
03:29:46,620 --> 03:29:49,440
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 2027 GAA tapos

3098
03:29:49,440 --> 03:29:53,000
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: ipawalang bisa o paliitin ng

3099
03:29:53,000 --> 03:29:54,480
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: korte ang

3100
03:29:54,480 --> 03:29:56,030
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: UA mechanism ano

3101
03:29:56,030 --> 03:30:00,970
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: po ba ang contingency ng executive para sa budget execution may

3102
03:30:00,970 --> 03:30:06,140
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the naihanda DBM in coordination with DOF

3103
03:30:06,140 --> 03:30:07,340
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the

3104
03:30:07,340 --> 03:30:10,200
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: alternative funding pathway have

3105
03:30:11,540 --> 03:30:15,000
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: you thought of

3106
03:30:15,000 --> 03:30:16,940
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: that possible

3107
03:30:16,940 --> 03:30:17,090
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: scenario

3108
03:30:17,820 --> 03:30:20,110
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim, please reply

3109
03:30:20,170 --> 03:30:35,590
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair your honor as to the purposes mentioned by Your honor ito po ay nakabatay unlike po halimbawa sa PDIC Unlike sa PhilHealth po na meron na pong po ang directive ang Supreme Court, ito po ay isang standby lamang po na kung sakaling there will be a

3110
03:30:35,590 --> 03:30:43,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: directive and the executive would stand ready to comply kung kailangan na po pong isauli ito pong fund

3111
03:30:43,220 --> 03:30:46,110
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fund balances from PDIC as

3112
03:30:46,110 --> 03:30:50,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to the observations of Your Honor on the foreign assisted projects, kung

3113
03:30:50,600 --> 03:30:55,390
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mapapansin po ninyo sa National Expenditure program at nabanggit po namin kanina, the

3114
03:30:55,390 --> 03:31:00,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: projects included here are the loan proceeds components of projects that are

3115
03:31:00,060 --> 03:31:04,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: still under assessment of the ICC, the

3116
03:31:04,600 --> 03:31:08,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ED Council, or those pending actual signing of the loan agreement.

3117
03:31:09,040 --> 03:31:13,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: However, we wish to note, bagamat tama po ang observation ni Honorable De Lima na

3118
03:31:13,940 --> 03:31:17,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: identified naman po yung projects covered by this one,

3119
03:31:18,180 --> 03:31:31,446
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kaya yun po yung dahilan kung bakit po yung GOP or Government of the Philippines counterpart ay nasa loob na po ng program budget. Ito po ay para, yun nga po, maumpisahan na po

3120
03:31:31,446 --> 03:31:35,029
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung mga necessary preliminary works, design works, kung sakaling mapirmahan na po

3121
03:31:35,029 --> 03:31:38,200
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung loan agreement anytime by 2027. Pero bakit nga po ba

3122
03:31:38,200 --> 03:31:42,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: inilagay pa muna po natin sa unprogrammed appropriations,

3123
03:31:42,760 --> 03:31:45,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ito pong mga foreign assisted projects na wala pang

3124
03:31:45,860 --> 03:31:51,660
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pirmadong loan agreement at the time we prepared the NEP. Kasi ito po without the certainty kung

3125
03:31:51,660 --> 03:31:55,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kailan po mapipirmahan yung loan agreement by placing it inside the program,

3126
03:31:55,920 --> 03:31:59,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: definitely may mababump off po ulit.

3127
03:31:59,120 --> 03:32:00,880
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Because this is a zero-sum game,

3128
03:32:01,080 --> 03:32:03,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it will still be part of the 7.2. Kung

3129
03:32:03,960 --> 03:32:08,740
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hindi pa naman po ganun ka-certain kung kailan talaga mapipirmahan yung loan agreement,

3130
03:32:09,080 --> 03:32:13,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay inilagay po muna siya doon sa unprogrammed appropriations. Dahil po yung

3131
03:32:13,980 --> 03:32:24,580
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: inilagay po natin sa programmed appropriations, ay yun pong mga pirmado, ongoing na po, nating mga foreign assisted projects. As to the question, Your Honor, Mr. Chair,

3132
03:32:24,780 --> 03:32:26,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: whether we

3133
03:32:26,860 --> 03:32:33,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: are ready, kung magkaroon, man po ng desisyon ang Supreme Court, definitely po, the executive stands ready to

3134
03:32:33,380 --> 03:32:36,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: comply with whatever decision

3135
03:32:36,600 --> 03:32:41,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the Supreme Court will have on the pending case relative

3136
03:32:41,120 --> 03:32:43,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to unprogrammed appropriations.

3137
03:32:43,960 --> 03:32:51,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Gaya nga po ng nasabi natin, for instance, halimbawa, Mr. Chair, sa foreign assisted projects, yun naman pong ating

3138
03:32:51,260 --> 03:33:02,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GOP counterpart para po dito sa mga proyektong nasa unprogrammed ay nandun po sa respective agency budget. So makapagsisimula pa rin naman po ng mga paunang gawain, what

3139
03:33:02,040 --> 03:33:07,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we will have to work out, Your Honor, and prepare for is for the loan proceeds component because

3140
03:33:07,040 --> 03:33:09,580
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: once the loan agreements are signed,

3141
03:33:09,780 --> 03:33:13,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the respective loans will be deemed active at

3142
03:33:13,860 --> 03:33:19,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kailangan din po nating maisagawa. Yun pong mga proyektong na i-commit po natin, Your Honor.

3143
03:33:20,080 --> 03:33:24,500
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: So wala pa po mga perfected loan agreements,

3144
03:33:24,740 --> 03:33:27,800
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: itong nandito ngayon sa 2027 NEP.

3145
03:33:27,800 --> 03:33:37,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For projects under the unprogrammed appropriations, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, yun po yung wala pa pong signed loan agreement. Those under the UA, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3146
03:33:37,780 --> 03:33:40,640
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Tungkol naman po sa UA releases in the past years,

3147
03:33:41,300 --> 03:33:46,860
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: sinabi po ng DBCC sa fiscal risk statement na

3148
03:33:46,860 --> 03:33:52,060
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: delayed ang mga foreign assisted projects dahil nilagay sila sa UA. Meron ho bang ganon?

3149
03:33:53,860 --> 03:33:58,051
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Ano po ba yung mga foreign assisted projects

3150
03:33:58,051 --> 03:33:59,425
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: na na-delay dahil

3151
03:33:59,425 --> 03:34:02,840
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: nilagay sila sa UA? Are there situations like that?

3152
03:34:03,120 --> 03:34:11,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, isa po sa pinaka mabilis po na example that we can cite doon po sa naapektuhan yung implementation na

3153
03:34:11,720 --> 03:34:16,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: foreign assisted project, ay yun pong dalawang railway projects being implemented by

3154
03:34:16,640 --> 03:34:20,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the DOTR. Dahil po sa pagbaba noon pong

3155
03:34:20,140 --> 03:34:23,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allocation authorized in the GAA sa

3156
03:34:23,780 --> 03:34:25,880
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: loan proceeds at sa

3157
03:34:25,880 --> 03:34:31,360
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GOP counterpart, naka-apekto po ito doon po sa timely implementation of the projects.

3158
03:34:31,600 --> 03:34:36,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mas malaki po, Your Honor, yung epekto nung pagbaba ng GOP counterpart dahil

3159
03:34:36,400 --> 03:34:39,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kapag yung mga right-of-way acquisition necessary

3160
03:34:39,440 --> 03:34:43,660
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for the implementation of the projects, Your Honor, yun pong maa-apektuhan,

3161
03:34:43,860 --> 03:34:45,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it will cause a further delay.

3162
03:34:46,040 --> 03:34:52,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Dahil kung hindi po ma-acquire yung right-of-way, hindi po makakapag-umpisa yung construction at

3163
03:34:52,060 --> 03:34:55,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: makaka-apekto po ito sa overall status of the projects,

3164
03:34:55,880 --> 03:34:56,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor.

3165
03:34:56,100 --> 03:34:56,320
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: So they remain delayed?

3166
03:34:59,040 --> 03:35:12,880
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya po may delay po itong mga projects ito. And that is also the reason why, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, if I may, yun po yung reason kung bakit talaga pong mataas din ngayon yung proposed level for

3167
03:35:12,880 --> 03:35:15,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOTRs, NSCR, and MMSP para

3168
03:35:15,960 --> 03:35:20,020
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nga po maisakatuparan yun pong ating target na partial operability,

3169
03:35:20,160 --> 03:35:23,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: particularly of NSCR North segment by

3170
03:35:23,720 --> 03:35:26,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: end of 2027, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3171
03:35:27,020 --> 03:35:27,520
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Thank you for that.

3172
03:35:27,700 --> 03:35:33,060
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Let's go to fiscal transfers to LGUs on top of the NTA or

3173
03:35:33,060 --> 03:35:34,400
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the National Tax Allotment.

3174
03:35:35,100 --> 03:35:38,720
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Mr. Chair, the NTA rises

3175
03:35:38,720 --> 03:35:41,960
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: from 1.19 trillion in

3176
03:35:41,960 --> 03:35:44,160
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the 2026 GAA to

3177
03:35:44,160 --> 03:35:47,420
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 1.32 trillion in the 2027 NEP.

3178
03:35:48,000 --> 03:35:50,200
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: And of course, that is a statutory share.

3179
03:35:50,560 --> 03:35:52,980
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: That is a statutory mandate.

3180
03:35:53,200 --> 03:35:54,280
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: We understand that to be.

3181
03:35:55,120 --> 03:35:56,340
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: But on top of that,

3182
03:35:57,020 --> 03:36:04,640
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: the NEP carries 58.5 billion under the LGSF. Ito na lang po yung mga magiging tanong ko for this

3183
03:36:04,640 --> 03:36:06,340
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: round.

3184
03:36:06,660 --> 03:36:09,460
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 9.7 billion for NTF-ELCAC.

3185
03:36:09,960 --> 03:36:12,440
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 37.5 billion for FALGU.

3186
03:36:12,840 --> 03:36:15,220
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: 10.3 billion for the GEF.

3187
03:36:15,720 --> 03:36:19,320
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: The GEF meaning the Growth Equity Fund.

3188
03:36:20,000 --> 03:36:21,980
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Wala po sa mga batas ang mga ito.

3189
03:36:23,100 --> 03:36:24,300
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: They're discretionary.

3190
03:36:24,360 --> 03:36:34,460
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: But of course, if they are part of the GAA, then they are part of the law because GAA is a law, a general law. But before that, wala pong batas para sa mga ito.

3191
03:36:34,840 --> 03:36:39,260
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Over and above what the Constitution and the Local Government Code already guarantee.

3192
03:36:40,060 --> 03:36:43,340
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Sa inyo pong 2026 Fiscal Risk Statement,

3193
03:36:44,340 --> 03:36:50,500
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: you can correct me po if I'm wrong, sinabi po nyo doon na sobra na ang mga pondo ng mga LGUs.

3194
03:36:51,100 --> 03:36:52,240
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Tama po ba ito?

3195
03:36:53,580 --> 03:36:55,740
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Honorable.

3196
03:36:56,500 --> 03:36:59,600
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: De Lima, that will be the last question for this round.

3197
03:37:00,200 --> 03:37:02,380
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Secretary Kim, please reply.

3198
03:37:04,200 --> 03:37:11,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, relative to the observation of the Honorable De Lima on additional fiscal transfers to LGUs on

3199
03:37:11,720 --> 03:37:12,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: top of NTA,

3200
03:37:12,900 --> 03:37:20,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: bagamat meron po tayong ma-obserbahan na pattern that probably for some higher income LGUs, there might be some

3201
03:37:20,080 --> 03:37:24,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: possible surpluses or excess revenue or income.

3202
03:37:25,380 --> 03:37:31,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yung inequality pa rin po across LGUs yung isang importante nating mapagtuunan ng pansin.

3203
03:37:31,180 --> 03:37:34,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As a matter of fact, sa ngayon po, meron pa rin tayong mga

3204
03:37:34,340 --> 03:37:37,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 4th and 5th class municipalities. That's why

3205
03:37:37,300 --> 03:37:45,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kahit po nagkaroon po ng pagtaas ng NTA dahil sa ating implementasyon ng Mandanas-Garcia ruling ng Supreme Court,

3206
03:37:45,660 --> 03:37:51,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nananatili pong hindi sapat ang national tax allotments po ng ating mga 4th and 5th class

3207
03:37:51,100 --> 03:37:54,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: local government units. Ito po yung reason, Mr.

3208
03:37:54,600 --> 03:37:55,420
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, Your Honor,

3209
03:37:56,500 --> 03:37:58,320
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung bakit meron tayong growth equity fund.

3210
03:37:58,520 --> 03:38:04,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po yung isang mekanismo under the executive order implementing the Mandanas-Garcia ruling para

3211
03:38:04,460 --> 03:38:07,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: atin pong matulungan yung

3212
03:38:07,440 --> 03:38:15,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: atin pong mga 4th and 5th class LGUs na matugunan yung mga actual devolved functions. As to the other

3213
03:38:15,220 --> 03:38:17,200
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: items under the local...

3214
03:38:17,200 --> 03:38:19,460
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: So you're not confirming na

3215
03:38:19,460 --> 03:38:22,420
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: sumusobra ng pondo para sa mga LGUs?

3216
03:38:22,900 --> 03:38:38,740
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Well, we are not saying that in general, Your Honor, because... probably at an aggregate level, pero pag titignan po natin at hihimayin on a per-income classification, definitely the lower income LGUs still require some level of assistance from

3217
03:38:38,740 --> 03:38:41,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the national government. Even the transition po

3218
03:38:41,140 --> 03:38:48,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: under the executive order is different for those 4th and 5th class local government units, Mr. Chair, Your Honor.

3219
03:38:49,040 --> 03:38:49,640
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: Thank

3220
03:38:49,640 --> 03:38:50,280
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: you. My time

3221
03:38:50,280 --> 03:38:50,740
Rep. Leila M. de Lima: is up.

3222
03:38:51,180 --> 03:38:51,960
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat po.

3223
03:38:52,260 --> 03:38:53,060
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Salamat po.

3224
03:38:54,000 --> 03:38:57,160
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Honorable De Lima. Thank you, Secretary Kim.

3225
03:38:57,780 --> 03:39:01,300
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We now move to the next congressman

3226
03:39:02,620 --> 03:39:07,160
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: that will ask questions. May we call on Representative

3227
03:39:07,160 --> 03:39:09,240
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Mark Cojuangco?

3228
03:39:12,450 --> 03:39:12,990
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Mark?

3229
03:39:14,880 --> 03:39:15,400
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Sorry.

3230
03:39:15,660 --> 03:39:16,680
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed.

3231
03:39:16,920 --> 03:39:17,560
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Thank you.

3232
03:39:20,630 --> 03:39:26,050
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Comments from Secretary Frederick Go of DOF,

3233
03:39:26,870 --> 03:39:28,590
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Kim Delin of DBM,

3234
03:39:29,370 --> 03:39:33,490
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Secretary Kim Delin, Secretary Arsenio Balisacan, of

3235
03:39:33,490 --> 03:39:34,290
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: DepDev

3236
03:39:35,150 --> 03:39:36,410
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Question ko po,

3237
03:39:37,550 --> 03:39:39,670
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: nabanggit po yung right of way

3238
03:39:39,670 --> 03:39:40,470
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: kanina.

3239
03:39:43,720 --> 03:39:45,700
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: If a congressman

3240
03:39:45,700 --> 03:39:50,360
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: wants to concentrate on right of way so

3241
03:39:50,360 --> 03:39:52,860
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: that all his

3242
03:39:52,860 --> 03:39:56,360
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: intended projects already

3243
03:39:56,360 --> 03:39:57,660
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: have right of way

3244
03:39:57,660 --> 03:40:00,540
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: for succeeding years,

3245
03:40:01,240 --> 03:40:02,340
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: is it possible?

3246
03:40:02,640 --> 03:40:03,120
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Can...

3247
03:40:03,600 --> 03:40:04,080
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Can...

3248
03:40:04,100 --> 03:40:08,600
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Can the budget be made to... Because real

3249
03:40:08,600 --> 03:40:11,760
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: estate values are going up all

3250
03:40:11,760 --> 03:40:12,320
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the time.

3251
03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:17,640
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: And eventually, it becomes too expensive, no? For

3252
03:40:17,640 --> 03:40:19,300
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the project to be viable.

3253
03:40:20,020 --> 03:40:21,360
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Second question is,

3254
03:40:22,060 --> 03:40:24,440
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: what about open spaces for

3255
03:40:24,440 --> 03:40:25,920
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: barangays?

3256
03:40:26,760 --> 03:40:30,640
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Will the DOF and the DBM allow this?

3257
03:40:32,660 --> 03:40:35,120
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Yun lang muna. Yun lang muna, Mr. Chair.

3258
03:40:36,670 --> 03:40:37,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes.

3259
03:40:37,220 --> 03:40:37,480
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ah

3260
03:40:37,480 --> 03:40:37,860
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim

3261
03:40:38,220 --> 03:40:49,320
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, as to right of way acquisition, yun pong ating dalawang pinakamalaking infrastructure agencies, particularly DPWH and DOTR,

3262
03:40:49,420 --> 03:40:56,020
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ay meron pong karampatang appropriations every year for right of way acquisition precisely

3263
03:40:56,020 --> 03:40:57,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to prepare for

3264
03:40:57,840 --> 03:41:01,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the projects that it intends to implement. Sa akibat po ito ng kanilang

3265
03:41:01,940 --> 03:41:11,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: site development and preparation, kasabay na rin po kung meron pong karampatang feasibility studies to prepare for the respective projects. Hindi

3266
03:41:11,380 --> 03:41:16,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po ganun ang naging implementation in past years.

3267
03:41:17,180 --> 03:41:21,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ang nangyari po, binabarat ang right

3268
03:41:21,060 --> 03:41:21,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of way.

3269
03:41:22,160 --> 03:41:24,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Meron ngang may

3270
03:41:24,060 --> 03:41:29,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: civil works na walang right of way. So, hindi implementable ang

3271
03:41:29,340 --> 03:41:29,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: project.

3272
03:41:30,580 --> 03:41:35,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, we want to reverse that situation. We want, if

3273
03:41:35,920 --> 03:41:40,180
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the representative of the district wants to

3274
03:41:40,180 --> 03:41:44,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: buy all the right of way before any

3275
03:41:44,040 --> 03:41:48,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: appropriations are made for civil works, is that a possibility?

3276
03:41:50,850 --> 03:41:58,130
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As to possibility, Your Honor, yun po yung idea. Na ready po dapat yung right of way. Baka po ang problema is if the

3277
03:41:58,130 --> 03:42:09,250
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: issue is a matter of settling or paying for the right of way, meron po kasi tayong sinusunod na batas. On how government will acquire right of way in the valuation. That's not

3278
03:42:09,250 --> 03:42:10,190
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the problem, sir.

3279
03:42:10,190 --> 03:42:12,030
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: The problem was in previous

3280
03:42:12,030 --> 03:42:17,730
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: GAA discussions in Congress,

3281
03:42:18,850 --> 03:42:24,010
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: DPWH always insisted that only a certain percentage of

3282
03:42:24,010 --> 03:42:27,630
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: total project costs could be allocated to right of way.

3283
03:42:28,250 --> 03:42:28,970
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So now,

3284
03:42:29,230 --> 03:42:34,290
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: this representation wants to ascertain that

3285
03:42:34,290 --> 03:42:35,710
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: that's open. Then,

3286
03:42:35,710 --> 03:42:38,170
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: it's up to the initiative of the

3287
03:42:38,170 --> 03:42:39,530
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: representation

3288
03:42:42,190 --> 03:42:42,790
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: what

3289
03:42:42,790 --> 03:42:45,930
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: he wants to do with public

3290
03:42:45,930 --> 03:42:50,010
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: works. Is it okay for him to buy ahead

3291
03:42:50,010 --> 03:42:52,090
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the

3292
03:42:52,090 --> 03:42:52,730
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: right of way?

3293
03:42:57,470 --> 03:43:07,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That specific example, Your Honor, of buying ahead a right of way before DPWH implements, I'm afraid we cannot...

3294
03:43:07,630 --> 03:43:07,710
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: No, no,

3295
03:43:07,710 --> 03:43:08,190
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: no, sir.

3296
03:43:08,590 --> 03:43:10,510
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: You misunderstand me

3297
03:43:11,030 --> 03:43:13,550
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Is it okay for the representative

3298
03:43:13,550 --> 03:43:15,110
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: to

3299
03:43:15,110 --> 03:43:19,950
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: request that his budget for his district has

3300
03:43:19,950 --> 03:43:28,170
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: an item for DPWH to buy the right of way even if there is no civil works component

3301
03:43:28,170 --> 03:43:29,430
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: of it?

3302
03:43:30,130 --> 03:43:38,710
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, the right of way budget of DPWH, as we have always proposed naman po, is a lump sum. So, it depends on the

3303
03:43:38,710 --> 03:43:47,650
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DPWH. As to the prioritization, kung ano po yung mauunahin po nila. However, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, may we just highlight that

3304
03:43:47,650 --> 03:43:48,390
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: historically,

3305
03:43:48,930 --> 03:43:51,790
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: baka po isa rin kasi po sa reason kung bakit po may

3306
03:43:51,790 --> 03:43:57,430
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: issue during implementation dahil po nababawasan po yung right of way funds from

3307
03:43:57,430 --> 03:44:00,090
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the NEP level that we proposed as

3308
03:44:00,090 --> 03:44:06,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to the final level po that is approved when the GAA is passed. So, marahil isa po yun sa consideration.

3309
03:44:06,630 --> 03:44:10,590
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: And in fact, Mr. Secretary, it may be lacking.

3310
03:44:11,310 --> 03:44:16,970
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, what is wrong with increasing the allocation for right of way?

3311
03:44:17,970 --> 03:44:24,150
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We fully support, Your Honor. In fact, we are proposing higher level of right of way every year under the NEP.

3312
03:44:24,610 --> 03:44:29,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Unfortunately, Your Honor, nababawasan po every year din po yung right of way from

3313
03:44:29,450 --> 03:44:31,430
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: our initial proposal for DPWH.

3314
03:44:32,590 --> 03:44:37,390
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, yes, at least we agree in principle, Mr. Secretary.

3315
03:44:38,090 --> 03:44:42,230
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: What about spaces, open spaces in barangays.

3316
03:44:42,650 --> 03:44:56,530
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: We see monies being appropriated for multipurpose buildings, gymnasiums, schoolhouses, barangay halls, and there's no place to build them.

3317
03:44:56,970 --> 03:45:01,070
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: And so, maski na papaano na lang sinisingit

3318
03:45:01,070 --> 03:45:05,750
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: yung mga structures in a very haphazard way,

3319
03:45:05,990 --> 03:45:07,970
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr. Secretary.

3320
03:45:08,350 --> 03:45:09,610
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: ...

3321
03:45:09,610 --> 03:45:34,910
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor. Our capacity to assist our local government units, not only barangays, but all levels of local government units, makikita po natin yan in the form of the infra projects. However, we're very constrained in providing support for land acquisition because of local autonomy. So, hindi po nagpupondo ang national government ng land acquisition for the use of our local government.

3322
03:45:34,910 --> 03:45:39,083
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: This representation doesn't see the rationale for that. But, Your

3323
03:45:39,083 --> 03:45:43,650
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Honor, so maybe that can be a topic for discussion.

3324
03:45:48,100 --> 03:45:48,950
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr. Chairman,

3325
03:45:49,250 --> 03:45:53,790
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: next question would be for DOF and DEPDEV.

3326
03:45:54,850 --> 03:46:01,430
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Is energy generation or electricity generation classified as infrastructure?

3327
03:46:08,290 --> 03:46:15,430
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yes, it is. But it is under our system. This is largely a private sector.

3328
03:46:16,870 --> 03:46:18,070
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Investment, Mr.

3329
03:46:18,170 --> 03:46:18,370
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair.

3330
03:46:18,790 --> 03:46:22,570
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Which it doesn't have to be. We are legislators here.

3331
03:46:22,790 --> 03:46:24,570
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, we can write a new law.

3332
03:46:25,030 --> 03:46:27,090
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, it doesn't have to be.

3333
03:46:28,550 --> 03:46:29,150
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: May

3334
03:46:29,150 --> 03:46:32,670
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: I know what is the multiplier effect of

3335
03:46:32,670 --> 03:46:34,290
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: electric

3336
03:46:34,290 --> 03:46:35,510
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: generating

3337
03:46:35,510 --> 03:46:36,250
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: capacity?

3338
03:46:37,790 --> 03:46:40,710
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Is this not among the highest?

3339
03:46:42,390 --> 03:46:48,190
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Does this not have among the highest multiplier effect? Because electricity

3340
03:46:48,190 --> 03:46:52,590
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: is an enabler of economic activity?

3341
03:46:56,590 --> 03:47:01,510
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I would think so. As I indicated this morning,

3342
03:47:01,830 --> 03:47:03,210
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr.

3343
03:47:03,830 --> 03:47:09,250
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, one of the most binding constraints to growth to industrialization,

3344
03:47:09,850 --> 03:47:12,910
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: as pointed out by many state investors,

3345
03:47:13,850 --> 03:47:16,710
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is the high cost of electricity.

3346
03:47:17,110 --> 03:47:18,321
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So, if we can,

3347
03:47:18,321 --> 03:47:21,490
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if the investment, is able to reduce that cost,

3348
03:47:21,830 --> 03:47:25,170
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: then the multiplier effects on the economy would be expected to be high.

3349
03:47:28,090 --> 03:47:28,770
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Mr.

3350
03:47:28,770 --> 03:47:29,450
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Chairman,

3351
03:47:30,170 --> 03:47:33,410
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: this representation would like for

3352
03:47:33,410 --> 03:47:36,810
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the information of all our colleagues who are here,

3353
03:47:37,490 --> 03:47:39,730
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: for them to know that

3354
03:47:39,730 --> 03:47:41,710
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: we

3355
03:47:41,710 --> 03:47:44,150
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: used to be ahead of Vietnam in

3356
03:47:44,150 --> 03:47:46,090
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: terms of total generating capacity.

3357
03:47:47,110 --> 03:47:48,470
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Vietnam has

3358
03:47:48,470 --> 03:47:51,274
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: a slightly smaller, smaller population than

3359
03:47:51,274 --> 03:47:53,490
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the Philippines. But

3360
03:47:53,490 --> 03:47:57,270
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: did you know that Vietnam today has

3361
03:47:57,270 --> 03:47:59,610
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: over three times our

3362
03:47:59,610 --> 03:48:01,930
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: generating capacity at

3363
03:48:01,930 --> 03:48:03,870
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: 68,000 megawatts?

3364
03:48:04,290 --> 03:48:05,070
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Tayo po,

3365
03:48:05,210 --> 03:48:09,210
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: nasa around 22,000 megawatts lang.

3366
03:48:09,970 --> 03:48:12,630
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, napag-iwanan na po tayo.

3367
03:48:13,250 --> 03:48:15,790
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: And this is, in

3368
03:48:15,790 --> 03:48:18,630
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: my observation, a

3369
03:48:18,630 --> 03:48:19,570
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: greater,

3370
03:48:19,690 --> 03:48:22,090
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: effect of the EPIRA law.

3371
03:48:22,350 --> 03:48:26,150
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: So, EPIRA has failed the Philippines from

3372
03:48:26,150 --> 03:48:27,350
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the time it was

3373
03:48:27,350 --> 03:48:29,010
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: conceived of.

3374
03:48:29,910 --> 03:48:32,130
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: It is time to write

3375
03:48:32,130 --> 03:48:34,010
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: laws that

3376
03:48:34,010 --> 03:48:37,330
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: maybe should consider 100 percent

3377
03:48:39,570 --> 03:48:45,450
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: government ownership for generating capacity, especially for

3378
03:48:45,450 --> 03:48:47,810
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: nuclear generating capacity.

3379
03:48:48,210 --> 03:48:51,070
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: I would like to, I

3380
03:48:51,070 --> 03:48:51,570
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: am

3381
03:48:51,570 --> 03:48:55,150
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: announcing that I am available for

3382
03:48:55,150 --> 03:48:56,210
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: the

3383
03:48:56,210 --> 03:48:58,530
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: executive to discuss this matter.

3384
03:48:59,270 --> 03:49:00,390
Rep. Mark O. Cojuangco: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

3385
03:49:00,730 --> 03:49:03,190
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Cong. Mark.

3386
03:49:04,070 --> 03:49:05,630
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And can Sec. Arsi

3387
03:49:07,070 --> 03:49:09,610
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: reply to the last comment.

3388
03:49:09,830 --> 03:49:10,550
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We

3389
03:49:10,550 --> 03:49:16,750
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: will welcome to hear the discussion with the Honorable Congressman.

3390
03:49:17,110 --> 03:49:19,570
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I also would like to to

3391
03:49:19,570 --> 03:49:20,930
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mention,

3392
03:49:21,670 --> 03:49:23,970
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair, that a

3393
03:49:23,970 --> 03:49:29,170
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: few weeks ago, World Bank just released a report,

3394
03:49:29,390 --> 03:49:32,450
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: an update on the Philippine economy with a special section on

3395
03:49:32,450 --> 03:49:35,270
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: electricity and power

3396
03:49:35,270 --> 03:49:36,190
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: market.

3397
03:49:36,470 --> 03:49:39,950
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And they identified, that study identified

3398
03:49:40,730 --> 03:49:44,890
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: where this high cost of power in the Philippines are coming from.

3399
03:49:45,650 --> 03:49:52,090
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Which, what is contributed by generating or what is contributed by delays in the

3400
03:49:52,090 --> 03:49:54,030
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: implementation

3401
03:49:54,650 --> 03:49:56,610
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of projects,

3402
03:49:57,030 --> 03:50:00,970
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: whether these are for generating capacity or distribution. And

3403
03:50:00,970 --> 03:50:01,430
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what is

3404
03:50:01,430 --> 03:50:04,130
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also might

3405
03:50:04,130 --> 03:50:09,350
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: have be contributed by the lack or the abuse of market power, particularly the

3406
03:50:09,350 --> 03:50:15,250
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: lack of the in complete implementation

3407
03:50:15,630 --> 03:50:21,370
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of the retail competition or competition of the retail competition, in the retail end of the market. So

3408
03:50:21,370 --> 03:50:22,150
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think that

3409
03:50:22,150 --> 03:50:28,090
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is I think a very good study that we should look at and should inform the kind of

3410
03:50:29,410 --> 03:50:33,270
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reforms in the EPIRA because the details are there.

3411
03:50:34,270 --> 03:50:35,370
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair thank you.

3412
03:50:35,430 --> 03:50:38,190
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you Sec. Arsi. Can you

3413
03:50:38,580 --> 03:50:43,830
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: give us a copy of this World Bank report so the committee can study it further?

3414
03:50:44,250 --> 03:50:45,550
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I will, Mr. Chair.

3415
03:50:45,870 --> 03:50:47,010
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat po.

3416
03:50:49,290 --> 03:50:49,890
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So,

3417
03:50:49,890 --> 03:50:51,390
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: next may we

3418
03:50:53,230 --> 03:50:56,730
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: call on Representative Robert Nazal.

3419
03:50:57,170 --> 03:51:00,430
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Mr. Chair, just a quick manifestation before my time starts.

3420
03:51:02,130 --> 03:51:08,970
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Before I proceed with my questions to the DBCC, I would like to manifest my support for the proposal of Cong. Toby Tiangco and

3421
03:51:08,970 --> 03:51:12,990
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Cong. Egay Erice for an open and transparent discussion of the budget of

3422
03:51:12,990 --> 03:51:13,950
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the House of Representatives.

3423
03:51:14,670 --> 03:51:20,330
Rep. Roberto Nazal: We should subject our own budget to the same scrutiny we require of other government agencies.

3424
03:51:20,810 --> 03:51:21,850
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3425
03:51:22,230 --> 03:51:23,670
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, to the DBM,

3426
03:51:24,710 --> 03:51:26,370
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I'd like to proceed with my question.

3427
03:51:27,210 --> 03:51:32,650
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Does the President's veto message itself contain all the additional release conditions imposed

3428
03:51:33,290 --> 03:51:35,890
Rep. Roberto Nazal: by NBC 595 on

3429
03:51:35,890 --> 03:51:37,410
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the Congress introduced amendments?

3430
03:51:38,790 --> 03:51:42,690
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung pwede pong yes or no, please, para mapabilis lang tayo.

3431
03:51:45,430 --> 03:51:50,010
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, may we ask for the good congressman to repeat the question, please?

3432
03:51:50,150 --> 03:51:54,230
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung doon po ba sa veto message ni

3433
03:51:54,230 --> 03:51:59,150
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Presidente for the budget of 2025,

3434
03:52:01,010 --> 03:52:05,730
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nakakalagay po ba doon yung additional release conditions imposed by NBC 595?

3435
03:52:06,750 --> 03:52:14,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: On the veto message, Your Honor, it stated that the release is subject to usual DBM rules and regulations, Your Honor.

3436
03:52:15,190 --> 03:52:18,430
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero wala po yung specifics nung NBC 595?

3437
03:52:20,150 --> 03:52:26,830
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, because the NBC was issued precisely to implement the veto message, Your Honor.

3438
03:52:26,830 --> 03:52:30,490
Rep. Roberto Nazal: What is the legal basis for adding that, those specifics?

3439
03:52:30,930 --> 03:52:34,050
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung mga dinagdag po natin doon sa NBC 595?

3440
03:52:34,650 --> 03:52:40,590
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, the documents listed in the National Budget Circular are the usual

3441
03:52:40,590 --> 03:52:46,390
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: documents that proves the implementation readiness of the project. As we may note,

3442
03:52:46,610 --> 03:52:51,170
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: this was imposed because these are projects, that were not originally

3443
03:52:52,090 --> 03:52:54,790
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: evaluated during the budget preparation process.

3444
03:52:55,110 --> 03:52:59,590
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's why the DBM is requiring the agencies to submit the same for

3445
03:52:59,590 --> 03:53:01,250
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: projects that were not

3446
03:53:01,250 --> 03:53:06,410
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: vetted during the NEP, but were included in the final GAA, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3447
03:53:06,610 --> 03:53:15,530
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So marami pong, ang sinasabi nyo po, maraming hindi na-comply, kaya natin nilagay doon sa NBC. Anyway, I won't dwell on that for now.

3448
03:53:16,210 --> 03:53:20,850
Rep. Roberto Nazal: What is the specific legal basis for placing under FISA projects

3449
03:53:20,850 --> 03:53:25,110
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that were already specific line items in the Fiscal

3450
03:53:25,110 --> 03:53:26,990
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Year 2026 NEP and

3451
03:53:26,990 --> 03:53:31,230
Rep. Roberto Nazal: were retained in the Fiscal Year 2026 GAA since

3452
03:53:31,230 --> 03:53:34,810
Rep. Roberto Nazal: they were neither Congressional Amendments nor lump sum items,

3453
03:53:35,110 --> 03:53:36,570
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nor had

3454
03:53:36,570 --> 03:53:37,990
Rep. Roberto Nazal: conditions attached to it

3455
03:53:37,990 --> 03:53:39,510
Rep. Roberto Nazal: doon sa GAA.

3456
03:53:39,710 --> 03:53:43,770
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So what prevented their comprehensive release and

3457
03:53:43,770 --> 03:53:45,190
Rep. Roberto Nazal: required a separate SARO?

3458
03:53:46,390 --> 03:53:51,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, if this is specifically for 2026,

3459
03:53:52,570 --> 03:53:58,890
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there were changes specifically for the coordinates introduced for these projects, Your Honor,

3460
03:53:59,070 --> 03:54:01,650
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: different from the NEP.

3461
03:54:01,870 --> 03:54:09,490
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's why it has to be vetted again before the respective allotment orders were released by the DBM. Mr. Chair, Your Honor.

3462
03:54:09,670 --> 03:54:11,870
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, coordinates lang po yung naging

3463
03:54:13,370 --> 03:54:14,410
Rep. Roberto Nazal: issue, nagbago?

3464
03:54:14,630 --> 03:54:21,370
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Among others, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, project title, meron po kasing yung iba, nagbago po yung barangay o yung munisipal?

3465
03:54:21,370 --> 03:54:22,250
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Papano po yung hindi?

3466
03:54:22,590 --> 03:54:24,330
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Papano yung wala naman nagbago?

3467
03:54:25,510 --> 03:54:26,510
Rep. Roberto Nazal: There were no

3468
03:54:27,850 --> 03:54:28,430
Rep. Roberto Nazal: changes.

3469
03:54:31,800 --> 03:54:32,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi naman po

3470
03:54:32,860 --> 03:54:38,120
Rep. Roberto Nazal: siya lump sum, hindi siya amend, wala siya, hindi siya Congressional Amendment, tapos walang condition attached.

3471
03:54:38,520 --> 03:54:39,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero hindi

3472
03:54:39,900 --> 03:54:40,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pa rin

3473
03:54:41,340 --> 03:54:42,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: siya na-release.

3474
03:54:43,220 --> 03:54:48,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, there are also types such as those with increased allocation.

3475
03:54:49,460 --> 03:54:53,800
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So that's also one of the reasons. Kung bakit po siya na-subject to FISARO. And

3476
03:54:53,800 --> 03:54:54,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there are also some

3477
03:54:54,720 --> 03:55:03,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: provisions that really requires compliance with the respective special provisions. Kaya rin po ito naka-identify as FISARO items.

3478
03:55:03,660 --> 03:55:03,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Anyway, Mr.

3479
03:55:05,220 --> 03:55:08,640
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Secretary, Mr. Chair, may we request for a list

3480
03:55:09,440 --> 03:55:13,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: from the DBM kung ano po yung specific na dahilan kung bakit

3481
03:55:13,620 --> 03:55:15,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: na-classify siya as FISARO?

3482
03:55:15,940 --> 03:55:18,280
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will submit, Mr. Chair.

3483
03:55:18,320 --> 03:55:24,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Anyway, next question. Since the DBM's subsequently issued SAROs for these FLRs,

3484
03:55:24,680 --> 03:55:26,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: specifically on March 2025,

3485
03:55:27,280 --> 03:55:29,460
Rep. Roberto Nazal: meron po tayo mga ni

3486
03:55:29,460 --> 03:55:30,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: -release na FLR.

3487
03:55:30,660 --> 03:55:33,920
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Meaning na-comply po ang requirements sa NBC 595.

3488
03:55:34,900 --> 03:55:40,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Tama po ba na may approval ng Presidente at may DPWH certification na shovel-ready or

3489
03:55:40,580 --> 03:55:43,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: implementation-ready ang mga projects na ito?

3490
03:55:44,580 --> 03:55:53,360
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, based on records, the release of these items were facilitated upon compliance of DPWH doon po sa ating mga requirements,

3491
03:55:53,720 --> 03:55:58,180
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: including the necessary approval from the President, Your Honor.

3492
03:55:58,240 --> 03:56:01,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, na-attain po lahat nung requirements doon sa NBC 595?

3493
03:56:02,700 --> 03:56:04,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For these items?

3494
03:56:04,480 --> 03:56:04,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: For

3495
03:56:04,600 --> 03:56:05,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: those specific items?

3496
03:56:06,060 --> 03:56:09,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on records, meron pong submission ng DPWH, Your Honor.

3497
03:56:10,580 --> 03:56:16,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Once a SARO is issued, the allotment and obligational authority have already been released. Is that correct?

3498
03:56:17,700 --> 03:56:21,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The SARO is the obligational authority, Your Honor.

3499
03:56:22,380 --> 03:56:22,900
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So,

3500
03:56:22,900 --> 03:56:25,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pwede pa ba sabihin ng ahensya na walang pondo ito?

3501
03:56:26,040 --> 03:56:28,420
Rep. Roberto Nazal: From the standpoint of an allotment authority?

3502
03:56:32,330 --> 03:56:34,150
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, yung... Once a SARO

3503
03:56:34,150 --> 03:56:34,550
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is released.

3504
03:56:34,750 --> 03:56:43,570
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yung allotment po kasi, Mr. Chair, Your Honor, is already the obligational authority. So, on the part of DBM, it is considered released na po.

3505
03:56:43,870 --> 03:56:44,910
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Okay. To the agency.

3506
03:56:45,210 --> 03:56:45,570
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So,

3507
03:56:45,630 --> 03:56:51,850
Rep. Roberto Nazal: next question. Is an NCA required before a department can issue a SARO to the implementing office?

3508
03:56:54,890 --> 03:57:07,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As a matter, of policy, Your Honor, a SARO is a sub-allotment advice. So, this pertains to allotment authority. And an NCA is different because that is an authority to disperse.

3509
03:57:08,290 --> 03:57:09,450
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, hindi po siya required

3510
03:57:10,150 --> 03:57:12,230
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for a department to issue a SARO?

3511
03:57:13,970 --> 03:57:26,073
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: It would depend, Your Honor, on the internal guidelines of the department. But for us, SARO, again, is an allotment document. And an NCA is a disbursement document, Your

3512
03:57:26,073 --> 03:57:26,357
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor.

3513
03:57:26,357 --> 03:57:29,850
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I agree. So, para i-award po ang project, kailangan ba ng NCA?

3514
03:57:33,390 --> 03:57:38,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The requisite for the award of a project, Your Honor, is an obligational authority.

3515
03:57:39,210 --> 03:57:40,490
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, SARO lang?

3516
03:57:41,530 --> 03:57:44,770
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: SARO or EGARO, whichever is applicable, Your Honor.

3517
03:57:45,930 --> 03:57:49,150
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, ang NCA is principally for

3518
03:57:49,150 --> 03:57:52,230
Rep. Roberto Nazal: actual cash disbursement or payment?

3519
03:57:53,290 --> 03:57:54,530
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: You are correct, Your Honor.

3520
03:57:55,910 --> 03:58:02,270
Rep. Roberto Nazal: There were a lot of projects po, in DPWH, that had already been bid out and were awaiting award.

3521
03:58:02,650 --> 03:58:05,670
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero we were informed that they could not be awarded because

3522
03:58:05,670 --> 03:58:09,670
Rep. Roberto Nazal: DPWH Central Office has not issued the necessary SAA.

3523
03:58:11,090 --> 03:58:12,830
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Once the SARO has been issued,

3524
03:58:13,150 --> 03:58:21,290
Rep. Roberto Nazal: is there any additional DBM fund release authority required before DPWH can issue the SAA and proceed with the award?

3525
03:58:22,170 --> 03:58:29,330
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: When we talk about obligational authority, Your Honor, the last obligational authority, should be the SARO, Your Honor.

3526
03:58:30,610 --> 03:58:31,310
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, if

3527
03:58:31,310 --> 03:58:36,950
Rep. Roberto Nazal: an NCA is not required for the issuance of the SAA or

3528
03:58:36,950 --> 03:58:39,490
Rep. Roberto Nazal: for the award and obligation of the project,

3529
03:58:39,750 --> 03:58:41,790
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi po ito rason para

3530
03:58:41,790 --> 03:58:43,770
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi mag-issue ng SAA or

3531
03:58:43,770 --> 03:58:45,230
Rep. Roberto Nazal: para hindi i-award ang project?

3532
03:58:46,750 --> 03:58:49,030
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Because, on our record, Your Honor, the

3533
03:58:49,610 --> 03:58:52,770
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: obligational authority has already been given to the agency.

3534
03:58:53,030 --> 03:58:57,450
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hanggang dun lang po ba kayo? Your obligation ends when the SARO is issued?

3535
03:58:58,430 --> 03:59:07,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: They are already given authority to obligate. But then again, Your Honor, as to the details, because this might entail several projects,

3536
03:59:08,120 --> 03:59:12,660
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: so we are not that privy on the specific details of the projects that

3537
03:59:12,660 --> 03:59:13,210
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: may be

3538
03:59:13,210 --> 03:59:15,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: covered by the situation, Your Honor.

3539
03:59:15,930 --> 03:59:24,600
Rep. Roberto Nazal: In your opinion, Mr. Secretary, is there any valid reason, budgetary or otherwise, why an SAA can be withheld, considering this

3540
03:59:24,600 --> 03:59:26,350
Rep. Roberto Nazal: has already passed through the

3541
03:59:26,350 --> 03:59:29,450
Rep. Roberto Nazal: process specified in NBC 595?

3542
03:59:30,220 --> 03:59:41,850
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, since the issuance of a SAA is an internal process within a department, we respectfully defer to the department concerned to provide guidance and clarity

3543
03:59:41,850 --> 03:59:42,610
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on the matter.

3544
03:59:44,360 --> 03:59:48,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero ang nangyayari po kasi, meron

3545
03:59:48,740 --> 03:59:49,860
Rep. Roberto Nazal: po kaming pinagtanungan,

3546
03:59:49,860 --> 03:59:51,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: ang sinasabi nila,

3547
03:59:51,460 --> 03:59:53,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: DBM daw ang

3548
03:59:53,140 --> 03:59:56,730
Rep. Roberto Nazal: nagsasabi na hindi pwedeng ituloy.

3549
03:59:58,260 --> 04:00:00,060
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Dahil wala daw NCA.

3550
04:00:01,710 --> 04:00:08,110
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, as a matter of policy, cash availability is supposedly

3551
04:00:08,110 --> 04:00:14,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: not a hindrance for procurement or incurrence of an obligation because cash is

3552
04:00:14,460 --> 04:00:16,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: being released and programmed based

3553
04:00:16,600 --> 04:00:18,690
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on actual need

3554
04:00:18,690 --> 04:00:24,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: and or progress billings for infrastructure projects. Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3555
04:00:24,490 --> 04:00:28,700
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you for clearing that up, Mr. Chair. Mr. Secretary,

3556
04:00:28,980 --> 04:00:30,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can

3557
04:00:30,780 --> 04:00:34,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: a department simply just withhold this for no reason to prevent an award?

3558
04:00:34,770 --> 04:00:35,690
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung NCA?

3559
04:00:37,090 --> 04:00:38,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ay yung SAA.

3560
04:00:39,090 --> 04:00:43,890
Rep. Roberto Nazal: If no SAA was issued and the projects consequently remained unawarded

3561
04:00:43,890 --> 04:00:44,990
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and unobligated,

3562
04:00:45,250 --> 04:00:51,250
Rep. Roberto Nazal: would the corresponding amounts remain unobligated allotments because of the department's failure to issue a SAA?

3563
04:00:52,050 --> 04:01:02,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, since again, the issuance of SAA and the manner of sub-allotting is something that is peculiar within an agency, we respectfully defer to the agency concerned, Your Honor.

3564
04:01:03,280 --> 04:01:03,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So,

3565
04:01:03,900 --> 04:01:09,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: parang ang nangyayari po, yung department na ang nagdi-desisyon whether ma-obligate o hindi?

3566
04:01:10,520 --> 04:01:21,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Sa amin po kasi, Your Honor, again, the allotments have been issued and it's already reflected in their respective reports that they have released allotments subject for their respective obligation.

3567
04:01:22,080 --> 04:01:27,560
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Does the DBM's responsibility end there sa pag-issue po ng SARO?

3568
04:01:27,700 --> 04:01:29,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Once na to obligate the funds?

3569
04:01:31,040 --> 04:01:32,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Well, regularly, Your Honor,

3570
04:01:32,880 --> 04:01:41,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, agencies are required to send their quarterly financial accountability report. So, dito po nakikita natin yung

3571
04:01:41,540 --> 04:01:45,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanilang utilization of the respective allotments issued to them.

3572
04:01:46,100 --> 04:01:48,480
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can we not compel them to

3573
04:01:48,480 --> 04:01:49,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: proceed

3574
04:01:49,840 --> 04:01:54,380
Rep. Roberto Nazal: with the project kung lahat po ng documents and documentation based on your

3575
04:01:54,380 --> 04:01:56,160
Rep. Roberto Nazal: NBC were complied with?

3576
04:01:56,900 --> 04:02:01,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The actual implementation... The actual implementation, Your Honor, of the projects kasi is a rest

3577
04:02:01,960 --> 04:02:07,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: upon the technical expertise of the respective departments. So, they actually have their

3578
04:02:07,640 --> 04:02:13,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: final determination as part of their mandate. So, kami po pumapasok po kami once they

3579
04:02:13,480 --> 04:02:21,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: request na po for cash, we will just check on how they were able to obligate and award the contracts as initially programmed.

3580
04:02:22,300 --> 04:02:28,940
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero hindi niyo po ba pwedeng i-flag sila once you obligate sila? Na-issuehan

3581
04:02:28,940 --> 04:02:31,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: niyo ng SARO, nakita niyo, kumpleto yung

3582
04:02:31,300 --> 04:02:33,580
Rep. Roberto Nazal: compliance.

3583
04:02:34,480 --> 04:02:38,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Dumaan sa inyo, dumaan sa NBC, pinirmahan uli ng presidente.

3584
04:02:39,020 --> 04:02:39,840
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Kung baga,

3585
04:02:39,860 --> 04:02:41,760
Rep. Roberto Nazal: sa

3586
04:02:41,760 --> 04:02:46,400
Rep. Roberto Nazal: GAA po, pinirmahan na ng presidente, in-authorize na naman ng presidente pagkatapos ng NBC.

3587
04:02:46,800 --> 04:02:47,320
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Tapos,

3588
04:02:47,320 --> 04:02:50,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: lahat technically feasible, lahat complied with.

3589
04:02:50,720 --> 04:02:53,140
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Pero dahil ang gusto nila,

3590
04:02:53,260 --> 04:02:56,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: hindi sila mag-i-issue ng SAA, hindi matutuloy yung project.

3591
04:02:57,080 --> 04:02:57,620
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And,

3592
04:02:57,620 --> 04:02:59,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: pupunta

3593
04:02:59,240 --> 04:03:00,100
Rep. Roberto Nazal: po tayo later on.

3594
04:03:00,300 --> 04:03:03,500
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yan po ang probably isang malaking dahilan kung bakit

3595
04:03:03,500 --> 04:03:07,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: mababa ang ating utilization at mababa ang ating government spending.

3596
04:03:08,560 --> 04:03:16,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, lumalabas po iyan sa pag-conduct ng DBM ng mid-year at saka year-end

3597
04:03:16,680 --> 04:03:16,681
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: performance.

3598
04:03:16,681 --> 04:03:16,880
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Yung

3599
04:03:16,880 --> 04:03:18,380
Rep. Roberto Nazal: oras ko, yung oras ko, please.

3600
04:03:18,860 --> 04:03:21,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Year-end and mid-year annual performance.

3601
04:03:21,060 --> 04:03:21,561
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Tumatakbo yung oras ko.

3602
04:03:25,560 --> 04:03:27,360
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Sorry, sorry, sorry, Secretary.

3603
04:03:28,960 --> 04:03:35,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, ito po ay kasama po doon sa nagiging findings

3604
04:03:35,140 --> 04:03:38,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ng DBM kapag po ginagawa natin yung mid-year

3605
04:03:38,920 --> 04:03:41,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agency performance review.

3606
04:03:41,500 --> 04:03:49,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But, at the end of the day po, yung final determination as to per project, kasi po ang APR naman po, nakikita natin yan, aggregate eh.

3607
04:03:49,560 --> 04:03:54,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But, on a per project level, it's still upon the final determination of the agency,

3608
04:03:54,460 --> 04:03:56,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor.

3609
04:03:57,440 --> 04:04:07,000
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Can DBM confirm? Can DBM confirm that this fiscal year 2025 capital outlay allotments remain valid for release and obligation until December 31, 2026?

3610
04:04:08,180 --> 04:04:14,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Consistent with the GAA, Your Honor, the allotment is valid for obligation until end of 2026.

3611
04:04:15,820 --> 04:04:18,660
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, therefore po, funds that have not lapsed,

3612
04:04:18,660 --> 04:04:27,240
Rep. Roberto Nazal: so pwede po ba ma-release na ang saa and pwede i-award ang projects and i-obligate yung allotments? Tama po ba?

3613
04:04:27,640 --> 04:04:35,673
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Well, subject po. Well, subject po, Your Honor, sa determination ni agency because as we have said earlier, we are not privy on the complete

3614
04:04:35,673 --> 04:04:36,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: details surrounding this project.

3615
04:04:37,400 --> 04:04:39,380
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Hindi pa na

3616
04:04:39,380 --> 04:04:41,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: -i

3617
04:04:41,180 --> 04:04:44,180
Rep. Roberto Nazal: -issue and hindi pa nagla-lapse yung ano.

3618
04:04:45,060 --> 04:04:50,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Valid naman po, Your Honor, and wala naman pong ibang restrictions prohibiting, the

3619
04:04:50,240 --> 04:04:53,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agency may still validly

3620
04:04:53,520 --> 04:04:57,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: obligate because the appropriation is still valid, consistent with the GAA.

3621
04:04:57,680 --> 04:04:58,800
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Ano

3622
04:05:02,200 --> 04:05:06,820
Rep. Roberto Nazal: po eh, this is not, ito pong pinag-uusapan natin, this is not merely a technical budget issue.

3623
04:05:07,080 --> 04:05:14,200
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Our GDP growth fell from 5.7 in 2024 to 4.4 in 2025 and

3624
04:05:14,200 --> 04:05:16,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: to only 2.6 in

3625
04:05:16,740 --> 04:05:18,300
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the first half of 2026.

3626
04:05:19,560 --> 04:05:24,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: CPBRD projects full year growth of 2.3 to 2.6 while

3627
04:05:24,780 --> 04:05:28,440
Rep. Roberto Nazal: gross capital formation contracted by 9.2 in

3628
04:05:28,440 --> 04:05:29,780
Rep. Roberto Nazal: quarter 2 of 2026.

3629
04:05:31,080 --> 04:05:34,540
Rep. Roberto Nazal: And poor budget execution where SAROs are released but

3630
04:05:34,540 --> 04:05:38,340
Rep. Roberto Nazal: projects remain unimplemented be contributing to weak economic growth.

3631
04:05:39,060 --> 04:05:40,460
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much,

3632
04:05:40,500 --> 04:05:43,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Cong. Nazal. That is the last question.

3633
04:05:43,560 --> 04:05:44,280
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Mr. Chair,

3634
04:05:44,440 --> 04:05:48,720
Rep. Roberto Nazal: meron lang po akong i-ano kasi yung aking time eh, bumilang.

3635
04:05:48,840 --> 04:05:50,220
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Actually, nadagdagan na kanina.

3636
04:05:50,680 --> 04:05:57,740
Rep. Roberto Nazal: I will just, ika-cluster ko na lang yung last question ko. And then, just one...

3637
04:06:04,230 --> 04:06:04,630
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please.

3638
04:06:06,870 --> 04:06:09,670
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Wind up, last question, Cong. Robert. Thank you.

3639
04:06:13,010 --> 04:06:14,290
Rep. Roberto Nazal: So, anyway,

3640
04:06:14,410 --> 04:06:15,330
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Mr. Chair, Secretary,

3641
04:06:15,770 --> 04:06:18,010
Rep. Roberto Nazal: slow spending is not a harmless delay.

3642
04:06:18,250 --> 04:06:20,930
Rep. Roberto Nazal: At the time of weak growth in contracting investment,

3643
04:06:21,450 --> 04:06:23,530
Rep. Roberto Nazal: every release but

3644
04:06:23,530 --> 04:06:26,190
Rep. Roberto Nazal: unimplemented project means lost jobs,

3645
04:06:26,530 --> 04:06:27,910
Rep. Roberto Nazal: lost economic activity,

3646
04:06:28,190 --> 04:06:31,070
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and delayed public services, while

3647
04:06:31,070 --> 04:06:34,710
Rep. Roberto Nazal: government continues to carry the fiscal and debt burden of the budget.

3648
04:06:35,410 --> 04:06:36,170
Rep. Roberto Nazal: More seriously,

3649
04:06:36,870 --> 04:06:40,643
Rep. Roberto Nazal: if a project remains unobligated because the SAA was withheld

3650
04:06:40,643 --> 04:06:41,020
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and

3651
04:06:41,020 --> 04:06:44,038
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that balance is later declared a savings and

3652
04:06:44,038 --> 04:06:45,170
Rep. Roberto Nazal: used for augmentation,

3653
04:06:45,570 --> 04:06:47,770
Rep. Roberto Nazal: that is no longer mere

3654
04:06:47,770 --> 04:06:48,750
Rep. Roberto Nazal: underspending.

3655
04:06:49,110 --> 04:06:52,230
Rep. Roberto Nazal: It raises the possibility of manufactured savings.

3656
04:06:52,910 --> 04:06:54,650
Rep. Roberto Nazal: We will take this up in

3657
04:06:54,650 --> 04:06:56,270
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the second round or in plenary.

3658
04:06:57,310 --> 04:07:00,450
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Malamang hindi na po tayo. Ewan ko kung may second round pa ba tayo.

3659
04:07:01,710 --> 04:07:02,610
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: This evening?

3660
04:07:03,610 --> 04:07:04,890
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Anyway, we

3661
04:07:04,890 --> 04:07:06,650
Rep. Roberto Nazal: want to know whether this

3662
04:07:06,650 --> 04:07:09,055
Rep. Roberto Nazal: all... ...also happened in other agencies,

3663
04:07:09,055 --> 04:07:11,677
Rep. Roberto Nazal: whether funds placed under FISARO were

3664
04:07:11,677 --> 04:07:13,862
Rep. Roberto Nazal: later declared a savings and

3665
04:07:13,862 --> 04:07:16,550
Rep. Roberto Nazal: transferred to other projects. Who

3666
04:07:16,550 --> 04:07:17,910
Rep. Roberto Nazal: approved this and

3667
04:07:17,910 --> 04:07:19,550
Rep. Roberto Nazal: where the money ultimately went?

3668
04:07:20,230 --> 04:07:28,310
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Mr. Chair, I will submit a formal letter to DBM detailing the documents and project status information we

3669
04:07:28,310 --> 04:07:29,730
Rep. Roberto Nazal: require on

3670
04:07:29,730 --> 04:07:33,310
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the fiscal year 2025 and fiscal year 2026

3671
04:07:33,310 --> 04:07:35,570
Rep. Roberto Nazal: FISARO projects, including

3672
04:07:35,570 --> 04:07:38,150
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the specific projects we have identified.

3673
04:07:38,470 --> 04:07:41,250
Rep. Roberto Nazal: May the letter be made part of the committee record,

3674
04:07:41,570 --> 04:07:45,330
Rep. Roberto Nazal: and may DBM be directed to submit a complete response within

3675
04:07:45,330 --> 04:07:46,150
Rep. Roberto Nazal: the next two weeks.

3676
04:07:46,310 --> 04:07:47,330
Rep. Roberto Nazal: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3677
04:07:48,270 --> 04:07:51,280
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, the committee will do so, and for DBM, please comply.

3678
04:07:51,280 --> 04:07:52,155
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will comply, Your Honor,

3679
04:07:52,155 --> 04:07:53,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as soon as we receive the details.

3680
04:07:54,230 --> 04:07:57,510
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat. Thank you, Cong. Robert and

3681
04:07:57,510 --> 04:07:58,410
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sec. Kim.

3682
04:07:59,030 --> 04:08:05,150
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So next, may we call on the Deputy Speaker, Chedeng Alvarez. Chedeng Alvarez. Please proceed.

3683
04:08:05,390 --> 04:08:06,610
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3684
04:08:07,330 --> 04:08:10,650
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Good evening to everyone, to Sec. Kim De Leon,

3685
04:08:10,930 --> 04:08:15,590
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Sec. Balisacan, to Sec. Go, and to everyone, maayong gabi sa inyo nga tanan.

3686
04:08:17,570 --> 04:08:22,570
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: My question is very simple, actually, but as

3687
04:08:22,570 --> 04:08:23,630
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: a form of introduction,

3688
04:08:24,030 --> 04:08:30,610
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: I'm actually one of the principal authors of Republic Act 12000, or the law that created the Negros Island Region.

3689
04:08:31,150 --> 04:08:37,530
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So it was signed last June 2020. It has been more than two years, and

3690
04:08:37,530 --> 04:08:40,430
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: the people of the three provinces of this new

3691
04:08:40,430 --> 04:08:45,010
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: region, namely Negros Occidental, Negros Oriental, and Siquijor, are

3692
04:08:45,010 --> 04:08:49,910
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: eager to see a fully functional, funded, staffed region.

3693
04:08:50,390 --> 04:09:00,930
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So before my actual question, Mr. Chair, I hope that the agencies here tonight have actually, or kinamusta nyo kaya yung

3694
04:09:00,930 --> 04:09:04,330
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: mga tao ninyo sa Negros Island Region? Do

3695
04:09:04,330 --> 04:09:07,030
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: they have offices already? Or

3696
04:09:07,030 --> 04:09:19,850
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: are they still squatting at the mercy of LGUs? Do they have vehicles? Or do they have complete staffs? So my question mainly is for DBM, is that why

3697
04:09:19,850 --> 04:09:30,510
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: is the establishment of these regional offices and the creation of plantilla positions are still at the varying stages of evaluation, finalization, and approval?

3698
04:09:31,150 --> 04:09:36,384
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: There are also reports. There are reports of reduction of the

3699
04:09:36,384 --> 04:09:41,390
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: original proposed 2027 budgets of some of these offices. So

3700
04:09:41,390 --> 04:09:43,410
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: we

3701
04:09:43,410 --> 04:09:46,530
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: in Negros Island Region would like to know why

3702
04:09:46,530 --> 04:09:47,370
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: the delay.

3703
04:09:47,610 --> 04:09:49,230
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, thank you.

3704
04:09:49,230 --> 04:09:50,810
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. Sec. Kim, please reply.

3705
04:09:51,050 --> 04:10:00,190
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, as for the Negros Island Region, we have particularly noted that when we were internally hearing the proposals of the agencies,

3706
04:10:01,090 --> 04:10:09,890
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we gave higher premium on agency proposals, supporting the establishment of the respective offices in the NIR. However,

3707
04:10:10,170 --> 04:10:19,710
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there is still some level of prioritization, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, that we did in order to support the operations of our agencies. For example,

3708
04:10:20,070 --> 04:10:25,590
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mas inuna po natin yung pag-setup ng kanilang mga office, or yung iba po ay

3709
04:10:25,590 --> 04:10:33,850
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: rent expense, dahil nga po yung iba ay nakikipanuluyan po sa ibang mga mga agencies. either SUCs or LGUs. So we give priority to that

3710
04:10:33,850 --> 04:10:37,990
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: including some of the necessary office equipment that they

3711
04:10:37,990 --> 04:10:41,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: need in order to operate. That's also why

3712
04:10:41,970 --> 04:10:53,750
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the regional allocation for NIR for 2027 is higher when compared to the other regions. As for the approval of the plantilia, Your Honor, because there's no one-size-fits-all

3713
04:10:54,430 --> 04:10:58,670
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: formula for the structure and staffing of each of the respective

3714
04:11:00,050 --> 04:11:00,650
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agencies,

3715
04:11:00,650 --> 04:11:07,730
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kailangan po kasing mag-emanate ito din sa kanilang mga respective proposal. That's why as of as

3716
04:11:07,730 --> 04:11:09,090
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: early

3717
04:11:09,090 --> 04:11:11,990
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: as August last year, Your Honor, Mr. Chair,

3718
04:11:12,190 --> 04:11:17,550
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: marami na po tayong ibang mga ahensya na nakreate na ng position, subject of course, to

3719
04:11:17,550 --> 04:11:18,990
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: our available

3720
04:11:18,990 --> 04:11:23,330
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: miscellaneous personnel benefits fund. Dahil doon lamang naman po natin

3721
04:11:23,330 --> 04:11:25,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kukunin or pagkukuhanan yung

3722
04:11:25,950 --> 04:11:26,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: budget to fund

3723
04:11:27,770 --> 04:11:31,170
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: these positions. As of July 28 of 2026,

3724
04:11:31,490 --> 04:11:35,490
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 30 national government agencies na po, Your Honor, Mr. Chair,

3725
04:11:35,690 --> 04:11:37,330
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang meron na pong mga approved

3726
04:11:38,170 --> 04:11:41,750
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: plantilia positions and offices for their Negros Island regional

3727
04:11:41,750 --> 04:11:43,830
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: office. So far, we are we

3728
04:11:43,830 --> 04:11:46,550
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: have received a request from additional eight

3729
04:11:47,790 --> 04:11:49,670
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agencies which we are currently

3730
04:11:50,230 --> 04:11:58,290
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: evaluating. Yung iba po kasi, Your Honor, meron lang pong isang technical side na kailangan nilang makomply with the which is yung tinatawag po nating

3731
04:11:59,670 --> 04:12:04,150
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: UACS code para po talagang magkaroon ng personality yung

3732
04:12:04,150 --> 04:12:05,970
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: regional office doon po sa

3733
04:12:05,970 --> 04:12:10,350
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ating NEP. But rest assured na this is being given priority and

3734
04:12:10,350 --> 04:12:11,430
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: hopefully by

3735
04:12:11,430 --> 04:12:15,850
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: definitely before the end of the year, ito pong mga remaining

3736
04:12:16,530 --> 04:12:22,330
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: plantilia position requests for NIR will be properly acted upon, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3737
04:12:22,770 --> 04:12:35,990
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, I'd like to know where does this code as well as proposals come from? Does it come from the central offices of these agencies? But I'd like to congratulate you, Secretary, because as of June of

3738
04:12:35,990 --> 04:12:53,330
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: this year, there are only 25 out of 30. But as you have reported just now, you have already completed almost all of the 30 agencies because 30 agencies yung nakalista sa Republic Act. So where does this proposal come from? Is it from the regional offices or from the central office?

3739
04:12:53,730 --> 04:12:55,850
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As a matter of procedure, Your Honor,

3740
04:12:56,550 --> 04:13:02,850
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, all the requests will have to be endorsed by the head of agency from the central office, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3741
04:13:03,250 --> 04:13:14,290
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Because as an example from the information that I got, for example, the Bureau of Local Government Finance as well as the Bureau of Treasury under the DOF has yet to submit a proposal.

3742
04:13:14,890 --> 04:13:15,410
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So

3743
04:13:15,410 --> 04:13:15,930
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: where

3744
04:13:16,570 --> 04:13:21,190
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: does the delay come from? Is it from the region or from the central office?

3745
04:13:22,770 --> 04:13:24,770
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So maybe DOF can answer.

3746
04:13:35,020 --> 04:13:35,780
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Apologies, Mr.

3747
04:13:36,080 --> 04:13:50,320
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Chair. I really have to ask this because you know, the congressmen of NIR, we constantly talk to the to your staff in the region. So we ask them kung kamusta po sila? May opisina po ba? May sasakyan po ba sila? Kasi minsan yung iba walang sasakyan.

3748
04:13:50,800 --> 04:13:54,060
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Regional directors ninyo sumasakay sa Ceres na bus.

3749
04:13:54,860 --> 04:13:55,520
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So and

3750
04:13:55,520 --> 04:14:03,220
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: we see other regions being acquired new vehicles. But your staff in NIR are,

3751
04:14:03,360 --> 04:14:06,180
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: well, hindi naman sila siguro nagsasuffer. Pero

3752
04:14:06,180 --> 04:14:07,520
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: medyo

3753
04:14:08,100 --> 04:14:10,280
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: hindi po ata sila nabigyan ng priority.

3754
04:14:31,100 --> 04:14:34,840
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, this is

3755
04:14:34,840 --> 04:14:40,720
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: new to me. I'll admit. I will ensure that we talk to BLGF tomorrow

3756
04:14:40,720 --> 04:14:43,440
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to find out why they have not submitted.

3757
04:14:47,370 --> 04:14:54,790
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Actually, Mr. Chair, that's the point of my question. Where does the delay emanate from? Is it with the central office or

3758
04:14:54,790 --> 04:14:56,890
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: with the regional office, these proposals?

3759
04:15:01,400 --> 04:15:01,920
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: BTR.

3760
04:15:02,480 --> 04:15:04,860
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: For BTR, the treasurer will answer.

3761
04:15:09,180 --> 04:15:13,160
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: Thank you, Madam Chair. For treasury, we are

3762
04:15:13,940 --> 04:15:15,300
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: looking at the

3763
04:15:16,140 --> 04:15:16,780
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: creation.

3764
04:15:18,060 --> 04:15:22,080
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: Right now, even though we don't have a regional office in

3765
04:15:22,080 --> 04:15:25,180
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: Negros, we have provincial offices that

3766
04:15:25,180 --> 04:15:30,200
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: are actually present in the region. So definitely, we will be looking

3767
04:15:30,200 --> 04:15:30,920
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: at the

3768
04:15:32,380 --> 04:15:36,920
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: reorganization because there are an implication on the

3769
04:15:37,880 --> 04:15:40,760
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: budget, an implication for the

3770
04:15:40,760 --> 04:15:43,940
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: budget of the entire Bureau of the Treasury. But definitely, Madam Chair,

3771
04:15:44,120 --> 04:15:44,800
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: we will

3772
04:15:45,380 --> 04:15:47,720
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: review and revisit the

3773
04:15:47,720 --> 04:15:49,120
Treasurer of the Philippines Sharon P. Almanza: creation. Thank you.

3774
04:15:49,660 --> 04:16:03,100
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, I understand that there is an implication in the budget, but there is also an implication in the delivery of services. For example, in the case of the Bureau of Local Government Finance, this is where all of the local government units deal with

3775
04:16:03,100 --> 04:16:03,300
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: their

3776
04:16:04,180 --> 04:16:04,700
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: concerns.

3777
04:16:05,460 --> 04:16:07,680
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: As well as with the Bureau of Treasury. So,

3778
04:16:07,680 --> 04:16:09,880
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: actually,

3779
04:16:10,160 --> 04:16:13,420
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, I'm just asking where the

3780
04:16:13,420 --> 04:16:13,980
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: delay

3781
04:16:13,980 --> 04:16:14,800
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: comes from.

3782
04:16:14,960 --> 04:16:18,360
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, our BLGF ED is present.

3783
04:16:19,480 --> 04:16:20,140
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Good

3784
04:16:20,140 --> 04:16:22,680
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: afternoon, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, Your Honor.

3785
04:16:23,260 --> 04:16:25,280
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: For the BLGF,

3786
04:16:26,980 --> 04:16:32,980
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: there was already a designated interim head for the NIR who

3787
04:16:32,980 --> 04:16:36,460
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: is concurrently the regional director of Region 6, yes.

3788
04:16:36,640 --> 04:16:38,220
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: And, in

3789
04:16:38,220 --> 04:16:39,940
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: fact, we

3790
04:16:39,940 --> 04:16:42,920
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: are already providing them, I

3791
04:16:42,920 --> 04:16:44,240
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: mean the NIR region,

3792
04:16:45,140 --> 04:16:49,720
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: with vehicles. And we already proposed in

3793
04:16:49,720 --> 04:16:51,120
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: our budget

3794
04:16:51,120 --> 04:16:52,660
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: for

3795
04:16:52,660 --> 04:16:54,560
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: the funding for

3796
04:16:54,560 --> 04:16:56,240
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: the establishment of the NIR.

3797
04:16:56,900 --> 04:16:58,600
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Our main

3798
04:16:58,600 --> 04:17:01,900
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: concern right now is that the

3799
04:17:01,900 --> 04:17:03,980
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Negros Islands are

3800
04:17:03,980 --> 04:17:05,500
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: far, far from

3801
04:17:05,500 --> 04:17:06,160
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: one another.

3802
04:17:06,840 --> 04:17:10,140
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: So, there is a proposal also that a

3803
04:17:10,140 --> 04:17:12,780
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: satellite office will

3804
04:17:12,780 --> 04:17:17,100
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: be established in Dumaguete City. Those were the concerns of particularly

3805
04:17:17,100 --> 04:17:19,620
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Negros Oriental.

3806
04:17:20,520 --> 04:17:31,980
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, just a correction. Negros Island is only one main island and Siquijor is like 20 minutes away. So, it is not composed of many islands, Mr. Chair.

3807
04:17:32,280 --> 04:17:36,040
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. Madam Chair, what

3808
04:17:36,040 --> 04:17:38,720
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: I mean is that the

3809
04:17:38,720 --> 04:17:40,720
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: chosen place

3810
04:17:40,720 --> 04:17:45,040
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: for the regional office is in

3811
04:17:46,340 --> 04:17:48,000
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Occidental. And

3812
04:17:48,000 --> 04:17:51,840
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: they say that it is quite far from

3813
04:17:51,840 --> 04:18:02,560
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Oriental and Siquijor. So, we are also looking into the possibility of establishing a satellite office in Dumagueta City.

3814
04:18:02,980 --> 04:18:10,660
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Of course, Mr. Chair, we welcome you. From the establishment of satellite offices. But maybe, Mr. Chair, I'd like to take this opportunity to invite

3815
04:18:10,660 --> 04:18:14,320
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: our departments to visit Negros Island to

3816
04:18:14,320 --> 04:18:18,800
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: see and talk to your regional staff so

3817
04:18:18,800 --> 04:18:21,580
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: that you will really know what they really need, Mr. Chair.

3818
04:18:21,780 --> 04:18:26,720
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: Your Honor, I would like to inform that we just came from the NIR and

3819
04:18:26,720 --> 04:18:32,900
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: in fact, I was able to talk also to the mayor of Dumaguete City at that time and

3820
04:18:32,900 --> 04:18:35,160
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: he raised that concern. And

3821
04:18:35,160 --> 04:18:38,320
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: he's even willing to provide a

3822
04:18:38,320 --> 04:18:46,240
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: free space for the BLGF satellite office. So, we are all considering this and once

3823
04:18:46,240 --> 04:18:55,700
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: we fill up the positions, we hope that by next year, then our regional office will normalize.

3824
04:18:56,820 --> 04:19:05,920
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Okay. Is there a problem with the budget or with your proposals? Because according to the Department of Budget and Management, before

3825
04:19:05,920 --> 04:19:07,700
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: the end of this year, it

3826
04:19:07,700 --> 04:19:09,260
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: will be fully functional.

3827
04:19:09,600 --> 04:19:12,380
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: But you're now saying that by next year.

3828
04:19:13,020 --> 04:19:14,060
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: So, what will it be?

3829
04:19:14,080 --> 04:19:15,840
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: We already submitted our proposal

3830
04:19:16,740 --> 04:19:19,080
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: even last year.

3831
04:19:19,680 --> 04:19:23,520
BLGF Executive Director Consolacion Q. Agcaoili: So, I think they are doing it by phase, Your Honor.

3832
04:19:24,720 --> 04:19:48,080
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, for expediency and of course, since it's almost 7 o'clock, maybe I'd like to request the following from the departments. Year by year breakdown of budget allocated of all agencies from 2024-2025 to the present as well as the proposed 2027. PS, MOE as well as the capital outlay.

3833
04:19:48,180 --> 04:20:00,080
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: At the same time, Mr. Chair, a number of approved positions, funded and unfunded. And of course, more importantly, DBM's definite timeline as

3834
04:20:00,080 --> 04:20:03,860
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: to the full fiscal and organizational operations of NIR

3835
04:20:04,580 --> 04:20:05,880
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair,

3836
04:20:08,460 --> 04:20:10,180
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we will comply, Your Honor.

3837
04:20:11,180 --> 04:20:14,700
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Mr. Chair, may I know when will I receive that compliance?

3838
04:20:25,570 --> 04:20:32,390
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May we request, Your Honor, at least a week to collate all this information and submit it to Your Honor through the Committee on Appropriations.

3839
04:20:33,870 --> 04:20:35,830
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Is that okay, DS Chedeng?

3840
04:20:35,990 --> 04:20:39,270
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Yes, Mr. Chair. With it after one week.

3841
04:20:39,470 --> 04:20:39,970
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: If

3842
04:20:39,970 --> 04:20:45,290
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: it won't arrive after one week, will the Chairman allow me?

3843
04:20:46,030 --> 04:20:47,530
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: To ask questions in plenary?

3844
04:20:49,810 --> 04:20:50,330
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I

3845
04:20:50,330 --> 04:20:55,250
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: think the Secretary of DBM guarantees that within one week, it will arrive. Thank you.

3846
04:20:56,050 --> 04:21:11,930
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I do apologize to the departments here. It's just that I've always been in the ground and I've been talking to your regional staff and I've heard all of their concerns. So, I am just airing out their concerns at the same time.

3847
04:21:12,450 --> 04:21:34,330
Deputy Speaker Mercedes K. Alvarez: The reason why we came up with Republic Act 12,000 is to make everything convenient for our constituents. And especially now that it is happening, Mount Kanlaon erupts every other day and more other problems are SSI in the sugarcane industry. So, we really need your help and we need the prioritization of the national government. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3848
04:21:35,210 --> 04:21:37,470
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, DS Chedeng.

3849
04:21:37,950 --> 04:21:39,830
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And we will expect the

3850
04:21:40,530 --> 04:21:43,590
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: submission of Secretary Kim within one week.

3851
04:21:43,750 --> 04:21:44,510
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you.

3852
04:21:46,640 --> 04:21:47,900
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, next,

3853
04:21:49,280 --> 04:21:52,020
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we will go back to the minority.

3854
04:21:52,440 --> 04:21:55,160
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: May we call on Representative

3855
04:21:55,160 --> 04:21:56,280
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Allan Ty

3856
04:21:57,040 --> 04:21:58,120
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed.

3857
04:21:58,380 --> 04:21:59,720
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

3858
04:22:00,400 --> 04:22:02,540
Rep. Allan U. Ty: To the Secretary of

3859
04:22:02,540 --> 04:22:03,420
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Finance,

3860
04:22:04,180 --> 04:22:05,080
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary Go,

3861
04:22:05,640 --> 04:22:08,020
Rep. Allan U. Ty: can you please state the amount transferred by

3862
04:22:08,020 --> 04:22:11,840
Rep. Allan U. Ty: PDIC to the Bureau of Treasury pursuant

3863
04:22:11,840 --> 04:22:14,380
Rep. Allan U. Ty: to Special Provision 1D Volume

3864
04:22:14,380 --> 04:22:15,980
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 1-E of

3865
04:22:15,980 --> 04:22:18,720
Rep. Allan U. Ty: the General Appropriations Act Fiscal Year 2024

3866
04:22:18,720 --> 04:22:22,000
Rep. Allan U. Ty: categorized as fund balance?

3867
04:22:22,580 --> 04:22:25,840
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The amount is 107.23 billion pesos.

3868
04:22:27,100 --> 04:22:30,480
Rep. Allan U. Ty: And may I ask, who proposed the transfer, Mr. Secretary?

3869
04:22:31,420 --> 04:22:34,620
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The Department of Finance in

3870
04:22:34,620 --> 04:22:39,820
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: implementing the Special Provision 1D of the 2024 General Appropriations Act

3871
04:22:41,140 --> 04:22:41,980
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: requested

3872
04:22:43,300 --> 04:22:46,080
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: PDIC to remit that

3873
04:22:46,080 --> 04:22:46,920
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: fund balance.

3874
04:22:47,960 --> 04:22:53,380
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, the determination was made by the DOF under Department Circular Number 003

3875
04:22:54,080 --> 04:22:56,360
Rep. Allan U. Ty: of 2024. Am I correct?

3876
04:22:56,700 --> 04:22:57,480
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: That's correct.

3877
04:22:58,200 --> 04:23:00,800
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, did the Board approve the

3878
04:23:00,800 --> 04:23:01,820
Rep. Allan U. Ty: amount as

3879
04:23:01,820 --> 04:23:04,420
Rep. Allan U. Ty: determined by the Department of Finance in

3880
04:23:04,420 --> 04:23:06,880
Rep. Allan U. Ty: the amount of 107.23 billion?

3881
04:23:07,260 --> 04:23:11,040
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: That was approved by the Board of PDIC,

3882
04:23:11,540 --> 04:23:14,300
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: not the Board of the Department of Finance, but yes, sir.

3883
04:23:14,380 --> 04:23:15,840
Rep. Allan U. Ty: I stand corrected, Mr. Secretary,

3884
04:23:15,920 --> 04:23:17,380
Rep. Allan U. Ty: by the PDIC.

3885
04:23:17,580 --> 04:23:19,540
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, sir. Yes, Your Honor.

3886
04:23:21,480 --> 04:23:23,960
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Was it approved by the Board unanimously?

3887
04:23:24,760 --> 04:23:26,680
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Sorry? Was it

3888
04:23:26,680 --> 04:23:29,060
Rep. Allan U. Ty: approved unanimously by the PDIC Board?

3889
04:23:32,770 --> 04:23:34,910
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Sorry, I was not Secretary at that time.

3890
04:23:34,970 --> 04:23:40,490
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Yes, I'm aware of that, Mr. Secretary. Probably the alternate member at that time can answer to that.

3891
04:23:44,720 --> 04:23:48,600
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think we have to find out the answer to that question.

3892
04:23:49,940 --> 04:23:51,300
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: It's a different Board.

3893
04:23:54,690 --> 04:23:57,370
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Don't you have the alternate member present at

3894
04:23:57,370 --> 04:23:59,510
Rep. Allan U. Ty: that time? Who's the alternate member?

3895
04:23:59,750 --> 04:24:06,250
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Ah, no. The alternate member was Yusek Rolly Tumpalan, who's no longer with the DOF. He's now with the ADB.

3896
04:24:07,290 --> 04:24:07,890
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So,

3897
04:24:07,890 --> 04:24:11,230
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, may I ask whether the amount of

3898
04:24:11,230 --> 04:24:13,890
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 107.23 billion was

3899
04:24:13,890 --> 04:24:15,950
Rep. Allan U. Ty: taken from the Deposit

3900
04:24:15,950 --> 04:24:16,890
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Insurance Fund,

3901
04:24:17,010 --> 04:24:17,850
Rep. Allan U. Ty: or DIF?

3902
04:24:29,840 --> 04:24:34,060
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: My understanding, based on what I have been informed,

3903
04:24:34,740 --> 04:24:39,420
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: is that the 107.23 billion was taken from the unrestricted portion.

3904
04:24:39,940 --> 04:24:42,300
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Of the Deposit Insurance Fund.

3905
04:24:45,000 --> 04:24:46,220
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, it

3906
04:24:46,220 --> 04:24:49,360
Rep. Allan U. Ty: was not taken from the Deposit Insurance Fund?

3907
04:24:50,060 --> 04:24:52,680
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Or does it form part of the Deposit Insurance Fund?

3908
04:24:52,920 --> 04:24:54,880
Rep. Allan U. Ty: The unrestricted retained earnings?

3909
04:25:07,410 --> 04:25:11,310
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The way it has been explained to me is

3910
04:25:12,050 --> 04:25:17,290
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: because it was considered an excess from the Deposit Insurance Fund. So,

3911
04:25:17,290 --> 04:25:20,450
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: technically, it was not from the Deposit Insurance Fund.

3912
04:25:24,070 --> 04:25:29,470
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, it's different from the dividends that the GOCC is

3913
04:25:29,470 --> 04:25:31,250
Rep. Allan U. Ty: remitting to the national government.

3914
04:25:32,900 --> 04:25:34,510
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: You can say that.

3915
04:25:34,670 --> 04:25:35,130
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes.

3916
04:25:38,270 --> 04:25:39,960
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, the

3917
04:25:39,960 --> 04:25:45,340
Rep. Allan U. Ty: amount of 107 is separate from the dividends that was given

3918
04:25:45,340 --> 04:25:46,540
Rep. Allan U. Ty: to the national government.

3919
04:25:47,460 --> 04:25:48,280
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes.

3920
04:25:48,620 --> 04:25:50,720
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you. So, did the

3921
04:25:52,500 --> 04:25:53,320
Rep. Allan U. Ty: PDIC

3922
04:25:54,160 --> 04:25:57,380
Rep. Allan U. Ty: consider whether the transfer could

3923
04:25:57,380 --> 04:25:58,740
Rep. Allan U. Ty: have an adverse effect?

3924
04:25:59,780 --> 04:26:05,900
Rep. Allan U. Ty: To the PDIC's ability to respond in case of bank failures to protect our depositors?

3925
04:26:06,100 --> 04:26:10,240
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes. The way it was explained to me that this was clearly over and above

3926
04:26:10,600 --> 04:26:11,540
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: what they needed

3927
04:26:12,240 --> 04:26:15,120
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to address any eventuality

3928
04:26:16,600 --> 04:26:24,240
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: of depositors insurance. So, it's over and beyond. So, they did take that into account. That's why they considered it an excess.

3929
04:26:25,140 --> 04:26:26,720
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

3930
04:26:27,140 --> 04:26:27,456
Rep. Allan U. Ty: To

3931
04:26:27,456 --> 04:26:28,720
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary Kim.

3932
04:26:29,780 --> 04:26:32,440
Rep. Allan U. Ty: What percentage of the fiscal

3933
04:26:32,440 --> 04:26:36,480
Rep. Allan U. Ty: year 2027 budget is represented by the unprogrammed appropriations?

3934
04:26:37,820 --> 04:26:48,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, the unprogrammed appropriations in the 2027 NEP are just 1.56% of the total expenditure program.

3935
04:26:49,540 --> 04:26:52,060
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Can you provide a

3936
04:26:52,060 --> 04:26:56,840
Rep. Allan U. Ty: historical data of the level of percentages of unprogrammed funds for

3937
04:26:56,840 --> 04:26:59,760
Rep. Allan U. Ty: the past five years, 2022 to 2026?

3938
04:27:02,270 --> 04:27:07,230
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May we request for a minute so that we can retrieve the information,

3939
04:27:07,510 --> 04:27:08,370
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor?

3940
04:27:36,640 --> 04:27:47,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, you are referring to NEP level or GAA level of UA versus expenditure program level for 2022 to 2026?

3941
04:27:48,880 --> 04:27:53,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For 2022, that is 5.01%.

3942
04:27:54,480 --> 04:27:57,280
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2023 is 15.32%.

3943
04:27:58,720 --> 04:27:59,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2024

3944
04:27:59,860 --> 04:28:03,020
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is 12.68%.

3945
04:28:03,700 --> 04:28:05,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2025 is

3946
04:28:05,720 --> 04:28:07,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 5.74%.

3947
04:28:08,100 --> 04:28:14,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And 2026 after the vetoed portion is 2.22%, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3948
04:28:16,900 --> 04:28:23,960
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, Mr. Secretary, what is the maximum percentage level of unprogrammed funds in the FY2027 budget

3949
04:28:24,900 --> 04:28:29,120
Rep. Allan U. Ty: consistent with the generally accepted fiscal principles or

3950
04:28:29,120 --> 04:28:32,120
Rep. Allan U. Ty: benchmark? I think it's limited by multilateral institutions.

3951
04:28:39,100 --> 04:28:45,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, for 2027, our proposed level is only at 1.56%

3952
04:28:45,680 --> 04:28:47,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of the expenditure program.

3953
04:28:48,360 --> 04:28:50,820
Rep. Allan U. Ty: But what is the maximum level allowable?

3954
04:28:52,500 --> 04:28:54,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: There's actually no maximum level.

3955
04:28:54,400 --> 04:29:00,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor. The international benchmark actually is also

3956
04:29:00,580 --> 04:29:12,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: depends on the definition of contingency that we refer to, but technically, unprogrammed appropriations do not have any existing benchmark internationally, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3957
04:29:13,000 --> 04:29:17,220
Rep. Allan U. Ty: But based on your NEP, it states there around four to five percent,

3958
04:29:17,220 --> 04:29:19,080
Rep. Allan U. Ty: as presented in your NEP,

3959
04:29:19,220 --> 04:29:20,780
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary.

3960
04:29:29,020 --> 04:29:29,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based

3961
04:29:29,540 --> 04:29:31,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on

3962
04:29:31,260 --> 04:29:31,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: information,

3963
04:29:31,880 --> 04:29:36,395
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, that's the figure, that's the range of the proposed

3964
04:29:36,395 --> 04:29:39,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: UA under

3965
04:29:39,300 --> 04:29:40,158
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the NEP.

3966
04:29:40,158 --> 04:29:46,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But if we also refer, Your Honor, to the Philippine Budgeting Code, we're actually referring to about two

3967
04:29:46,840 --> 04:29:51,880
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to three percent, depending on the version of the Philippine Budgeting Code, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3968
04:29:52,280 --> 04:29:54,980
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Around 3 to 4 percent, correct?

3969
04:29:55,800 --> 04:30:02,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: In the versions of the Philippine Budgeting Code, it's about 2 or 3 percent, maximum, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3970
04:30:02,300 --> 04:30:02,780
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Okay.

3971
04:30:03,000 --> 04:30:05,120
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, did you not consider

3972
04:30:06,420 --> 04:30:12,980
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, did you not consider the full restoration of the PDIC fund transfer of 107

3973
04:30:12,980 --> 04:30:21,400
Rep. Allan U. Ty: .23 billion, considering that amount is still way below the recommended threshold, as you mentioned, of 3 percent?

3974
04:30:26,130 --> 04:30:45,570
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, since we're all also so mindful of the possible sourcing where the restoration of the PDIC remittances will would be sourced from, so kahit po ilagay namin yung mas mataas, kung hindi naman po mamimit yung trigger for us to be able to settle this, which is excess revenue,

3975
04:30:45,910 --> 04:30:50,190
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: malilimit din po yung capacity ng executive branch to fully restore.

3976
04:30:50,450 --> 04:30:55,010
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's why we even planned from the start that we can restore this if also

3977
04:30:55,010 --> 04:31:01,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the Supreme Court orders the executive to do so, at least in two tranches. Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

3978
04:31:02,330 --> 04:31:07,129
Rep. Allan U. Ty: May I ask the Governor of Banco Central if it's acceptable? Is it

3979
04:31:07,129 --> 04:31:12,323
Rep. Allan U. Ty: acceptable to him as to the amount allocated under the

3980
04:31:12,323 --> 04:31:15,439
Rep. Allan U. Ty: unprogrammed appropriation of 50.7 for

3981
04:31:15,439 --> 04:31:16,997
Rep. Allan U. Ty: restoration of PDIC

3982
04:31:16,997 --> 04:31:17,517
Rep. Allan U. Ty: fund?

3983
04:31:17,517 --> 04:31:19,075
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Is it acceptable

3984
04:31:19,075 --> 04:31:23,230
Rep. Allan U. Ty: to BSP as ex-officio chairman of PDIC?

3985
04:31:36,100 --> 04:31:43,280
BSP Governor Eli M. Remolona Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Chair. We will have to confer with PDIC. Although we are chair of the

3986
04:31:43,280 --> 04:31:44,260
BSP Governor Eli M. Remolona Jr.: board,

3987
04:31:44,540 --> 04:31:48,520
BSP Governor Eli M. Remolona Jr.: this is something that the PDIC is looking into very closely.

3988
04:31:49,980 --> 04:31:50,580
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank

3989
04:31:50,580 --> 04:31:54,460
Rep. Allan U. Ty: you. How about the Secretary of Finance as

3990
04:31:54,460 --> 04:31:54,880
Rep. Allan U. Ty: board

3991
04:31:54,880 --> 04:31:56,220
Rep. Allan U. Ty: member of PDIC?

3992
04:32:05,040 --> 04:32:09,900
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think the DBM is in the best position to evaluate

3993
04:32:09,900 --> 04:32:12,680
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: how much fiscal space we might have.

3994
04:32:13,180 --> 04:32:16,640
Rep. Allan U. Ty: They already evaluated it at 50.7, Mr. Secretary.

3995
04:32:17,360 --> 04:32:17,960
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes.

3996
04:32:19,400 --> 04:32:20,000
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 57

3997
04:32:20,000 --> 04:32:20,600
Rep. Allan U. Ty: billion,

3998
04:32:20,800 --> 04:32:21,960
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary. There

3999
04:32:21,960 --> 04:32:23,740
Rep. Allan U. Ty: was already an evaluation made.

4000
04:32:23,960 --> 04:32:26,920
Rep. Allan U. Ty: I'm just asking if it's acceptable on your end, Mr. Secretary.

4001
04:32:30,850 --> 04:32:31,450
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I

4002
04:32:31,450 --> 04:32:35,330
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: think it's a question that really should be asked of perhaps

4003
04:32:35,330 --> 04:32:36,250
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: not us.

4004
04:32:37,170 --> 04:32:39,690
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, you sit in the board of PDIC.

4005
04:32:43,480 --> 04:32:44,280
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think,

4006
04:32:44,280 --> 04:32:45,640
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor,

4007
04:32:48,860 --> 04:32:58,760
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think it's up to the DBM to really estimate how much. And I think if the number they came up with is 57 billion, then that's the fiscal space that

4008
04:32:58,760 --> 04:33:01,800
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: they can afford to return

4009
04:33:01,800 --> 04:33:02,760
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to

4010
04:33:02,760 --> 04:33:04,160
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the PDIC. This year,

4011
04:33:04,400 --> 04:33:12,320
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think it's with the understanding that in perhaps next year or if needed in another year, but

4012
04:33:12,320 --> 04:33:16,340
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: hopefully maybe by next year, it can be fully returned to

4013
04:33:16,340 --> 04:33:16,960
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: PDIC.

4014
04:33:18,580 --> 04:33:19,180
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So

4015
04:33:19,180 --> 04:33:22,420
Rep. Allan U. Ty: the amount is acceptable to you, Mr. Secretary, of

4016
04:33:22,420 --> 04:33:23,380
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 57 billion.

4017
04:33:24,880 --> 04:33:26,280
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

4018
04:33:26,780 --> 04:33:28,180
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, Secretary Kim,

4019
04:33:28,340 --> 04:33:31,180
Rep. Allan U. Ty: how much budget is allocated for the executive branch,

4020
04:33:31,480 --> 04:33:34,420
Rep. Allan U. Ty: legislative branch? And the judiciary?

4021
04:33:34,720 --> 04:33:38,320
Rep. Allan U. Ty: And what is the percentage to the total expenditures program?

4022
04:33:45,450 --> 04:33:48,150
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, just to check, we are

4023
04:33:48,150 --> 04:33:52,910
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: requested for information as to the budget for the executive, the

4024
04:33:52,910 --> 04:33:57,050
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: legislative, and the judiciary as an aggregate. Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4025
04:33:58,720 --> 04:34:00,220
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Can you break down the amount?

4026
04:34:01,400 --> 04:34:02,980
Rep. Allan U. Ty: And as to the percentage?

4027
04:34:31,540 --> 04:34:37,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, for Congress, Your Honor, Congress referring to Senate and

4028
04:34:37,820 --> 04:34:41,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the House of Representatives. The total proposed budget in the NEP is

4029
04:34:41,940 --> 04:34:45,880
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 27.892 billion pesos.

4030
04:34:46,710 --> 04:34:50,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For the judiciary, the entire judiciary, Your Honor,

4031
04:34:50,500 --> 04:34:54,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, consistent with the Judicial Fiscal Autonomy Act,

4032
04:34:54,780 --> 04:34:56,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the total amount

4033
04:34:56,100 --> 04:34:59,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: proposed by the judiciary, which is included in the NEP,

4034
04:34:59,540 --> 04:35:04,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is 86.270 billion

4035
04:35:04,160 --> 04:35:06,360
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pesos, Your Honor.

4036
04:35:07,220 --> 04:35:16,520
Rep. Allan U. Ty: And the rest? Of the 7.2 trillion, net of lump sums and interest payments and automatic appropriations, for the executive branch.

4037
04:35:17,000 --> 04:35:21,900
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, Mr. Secretary, in terms of percentage, Congress of the Philippines'

4038
04:35:22,200 --> 04:35:29,820
Rep. Allan U. Ty: percentage to the total expenditure program is only 0.4 percent. Am I correct?

4039
04:35:30,080 --> 04:35:31,440
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Or less than 0

4040
04:35:31,440 --> 04:35:33,160
Rep. Allan U. Ty: .5 percent?

4041
04:35:42,770 --> 04:35:43,310
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based

4042
04:35:43,310 --> 04:35:50,250
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: on my quick calculation, Your Honor, it's about 0.4 percent, if it's correct,

4043
04:35:50,450 --> 04:35:52,190
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: versus

4044
04:35:52,190 --> 04:35:53,610
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: TEP.

4045
04:35:56,700 --> 04:36:00,880
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Magkaiba po kami ng calculator, Your Honor. Chicheck ko lang po yung brand. Mr. Secretary.

4046
04:36:11,220 --> 04:36:11,456
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Makaiba

4047
04:36:11,456 --> 04:36:17,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po kami ng brand ng calculator, Your Honor. For Congress, it's just about 0.39 percent.

4048
04:36:17,540 --> 04:36:18,900
Rep. Allan U. Ty: How about for judiciary?

4049
04:36:19,300 --> 04:36:22,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For judiciary, it's about 0.36.

4050
04:36:27,680 --> 04:36:30,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's about 1

4051
04:36:30,680 --> 04:36:32,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .19 percent, Your Honor.

4052
04:36:33,720 --> 04:36:36,300
Rep. Allan U. Ty: And the rest is for the executive branch.

4053
04:36:36,740 --> 04:36:38,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Including interest payments and other

4054
04:36:38,680 --> 04:36:39,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: automatic

4055
04:36:39,040 --> 04:36:40,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: appropriations, Your Honor.

4056
04:36:40,060 --> 04:36:41,120
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Correct, Mr. Secretary.

4057
04:36:42,140 --> 04:36:46,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, the rest. But with the exception of

4058
04:36:46,820 --> 04:36:51,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: constitutional commissions, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4059
04:36:52,440 --> 04:36:59,280
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Secretary. So, what is the approved disbursement program for fiscal year 2026?

4060
04:37:06,130 --> 04:37:16,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 2026, Your Honor, the latest DBCC-approved disbursement program is at 6.465 trillion pesos,

4061
04:37:16,550 --> 04:37:17,790
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor.

4062
04:37:18,850 --> 04:37:23,730
Rep. Allan U. Ty: How about for fiscal year 2027? What is the proposed disbursement program?

4063
04:37:23,990 --> 04:37:29,710
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For fiscal year 2027, that is 6.9 trillion pesos, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4064
04:37:33,470 --> 04:37:39,968
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Of the FY2026 disbursement program, how much is expected to be

4065
04:37:39,968 --> 04:37:42,890
Rep. Allan U. Ty: used for the settlement of outstanding accounts payable?

4066
04:37:43,650 --> 04:37:45,610
Rep. Allan U. Ty: And how much are accounts payable?

4067
04:37:47,350 --> 04:37:54,690
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, accounts payable is actually a moving figure, including current and prior years.

4068
04:37:55,330 --> 04:37:58,410
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If the Honorable

4069
04:37:58,410 --> 04:38:10,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Congressman and Chair would allow, we can submit that information to the Committee on Appropriations. As we will have to validate again. Exactly. Which portion of the disbursement program will go to accounts payables?

4070
04:38:10,730 --> 04:38:16,230
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, can you not go over your derivation of the FY2026 cash appropriations?

4071
04:38:16,650 --> 04:38:22,650
Rep. Allan U. Ty: It states here that in 2026, you have around accounts payable of 1.190 billion.

4072
04:38:24,170 --> 04:38:27,070
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Honorable T.

4073
04:38:27,650 --> 04:38:32,170
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That will be the last question. Secretary Kim, please reply.

4074
04:38:32,910 --> 04:38:34,310
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Then the other will be submitted.

4075
04:38:35,950 --> 04:38:37,110
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Honorable T, thank you.

4076
04:38:37,590 --> 04:38:50,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, we will do submit the details because apparently we don't have that figure right now in any of our briefing materials. But we'll definitely submit or get back to the Honorable Representative as soon as we get the information.

4077
04:38:51,670 --> 04:38:53,210
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Is that okay with the Honorable Ty?

4078
04:38:53,210 --> 04:38:53,570
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Yes, and

4079
04:38:53,570 --> 04:38:58,030
Rep. Allan U. Ty: also for the projected disbursement program for FY2027.

4080
04:38:58,930 --> 04:39:03,090
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will do, Your Honor, part of the accounts payables for 2027.

4081
04:39:03,910 --> 04:39:05,170
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much.

4082
04:39:05,950 --> 04:39:07,270
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Honorable Allan,

4083
04:39:07,530 --> 04:39:08,110
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: so

4084
04:39:08,110 --> 04:39:09,310
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I'll

4085
04:39:09,310 --> 04:39:10,590
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: reserve for the second round.

4086
04:39:11,810 --> 04:39:13,750
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So we go back to the majority.

4087
04:39:15,470 --> 04:39:17,550
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Tatawagin ko po yung katabi ko, si

4088
04:39:17,550 --> 04:39:18,630
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Chairman,

4089
04:39:18,910 --> 04:39:20,850
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Representative Miro

4090
04:39:20,850 --> 04:39:21,250
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Quimbo.

4091
04:39:22,610 --> 04:39:23,630
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed.

4092
04:39:25,150 --> 04:39:29,090
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Maraming salamat. Magandang gabi, Senior

4093
04:39:29,090 --> 04:39:32,990
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Vice Chairman Abet and to the members of the committee,

4094
04:39:33,810 --> 04:39:35,190
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: as well as our resource persons.

4095
04:39:36,970 --> 04:39:42,610
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: My question is very, very quick, very short. I'm sure everybody says that, but anyway.

4096
04:39:44,030 --> 04:39:46,630
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Secretary Kim, congratulations on your appointment.

4097
04:39:47,170 --> 04:39:48,610
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I've always been

4098
04:39:48,610 --> 04:39:52,130
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: telling my colleagues that I've worked with somebody with

4099
04:39:52,130 --> 04:39:54,150
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: you in the past and you're

4100
04:39:54,150 --> 04:39:59,790
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: certainly somebody who finds solutions instead of raising problems, which

4101
04:39:59,790 --> 04:40:00,750
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I think is very, very important.

4102
04:40:02,230 --> 04:40:02,830
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Ang

4103
04:40:02,830 --> 04:40:04,950
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: tanong ko is relative to underspending.

4104
04:40:06,350 --> 04:40:06,830
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I

4105
04:40:06,830 --> 04:40:09,470
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: do not know if you have the figures at least for 2025.

4106
04:40:10,730 --> 04:40:13,670
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Would it be too premature to ask for 2026?

4107
04:40:14,750 --> 04:40:17,330
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: What is our underspending relative to

4108
04:40:17,330 --> 04:40:20,350
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: year-on-year? Or kaya na ba yun

4109
04:40:20,350 --> 04:40:22,210
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: makalculate?

4110
04:40:22,610 --> 04:40:25,170
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Kasi two years yan, di ba, ang ating effectivity?

4111
04:40:27,390 --> 04:40:35,750
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, the closest that we can probably get when we talk about underspending would be actual disbursement based on program.

4112
04:40:37,250 --> 04:40:39,390
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: This is for 2026, correct?

4113
04:40:44,330 --> 04:40:48,930
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Disbursement as of June 30, Your Honor, that we can actually secure.

4114
04:40:50,190 --> 04:40:55,750
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Can you provide me, just provide me in writing, but if you have it,

4115
04:40:55,910 --> 04:40:59,730
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: you have it by department or

4116
04:40:59,730 --> 04:41:00,470
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: in general?

4117
04:41:00,630 --> 04:41:09,250
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: By department, Your Honor, we will submit by department actual disbursement as of end of 2025, full year, including that of...

4118
04:41:09,950 --> 04:41:13,530
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mid-year of 2026 as well. We can provide that, Your Honor.

4119
04:41:13,770 --> 04:41:17,170
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: What is the general figure? What do you have in terms of underspending?

4120
04:41:23,670 --> 04:41:25,570
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Kahit for 2025 na lang?

4121
04:41:29,930 --> 04:41:33,690
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Full year 2025, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, the

4122
04:41:33,690 --> 04:41:40,030
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: program disbursement for 2025 is 6.082 trillions and

4123
04:41:40,030 --> 04:41:44,510
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the actual spending is 6.030 trillion,

4124
04:41:44,750 --> 04:41:46,070
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: about 52

4125
04:41:46,070 --> 04:41:48,110
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion

4126
04:41:48,110 --> 04:41:50,910
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: short from the program. Your Honor.

4127
04:41:52,010 --> 04:41:54,950
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: And for 2026, you have a mid-year figure?

4128
04:41:55,470 --> 04:41:55,810
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For

4129
04:41:59,140 --> 04:42:05,200
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For 2026, Your Honor, our mid-year program is about 3—

4130
04:42:05,200 --> 04:42:05,640
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Excuse me, my

4131
04:42:05,640 --> 04:42:08,820
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: time is still moving. Go ahead, Secretary.

4132
04:42:09,600 --> 04:42:16,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Our mid-year program for expenditure, Your Honor, is 3.176 and

4133
04:42:16,860 --> 04:42:25,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: our actual disbursement is about 3.175. So, only about 1 billion short from our program, Your Honor.

4134
04:42:26,360 --> 04:42:28,600
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: How do you define spending?

4135
04:42:28,960 --> 04:42:31,020
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Is that obligated or

4136
04:42:31,020 --> 04:42:33,680
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: binayad na talaga yan?

4137
04:42:33,700 --> 04:42:36,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Actual disbursement po ito, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4138
04:42:37,120 --> 04:42:37,560
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Okay.

4139
04:42:39,580 --> 04:42:40,020
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So,

4140
04:42:40,020 --> 04:42:43,640
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: am I accurate to say that we are practically not

4141
04:42:43,640 --> 04:42:45,360
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: underspending today? Tama ba?

4142
04:42:45,740 --> 04:42:46,900
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: That's news to us, ha?

4143
04:42:49,150 --> 04:42:55,010
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on the latest figures as of June, Your Honor, we're just 1 billion short of our programmed expenditure.

4144
04:42:56,610 --> 04:42:57,810
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Okay. Just

4145
04:42:57,810 --> 04:43:00,570
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: provide us by department in writing na lang.

4146
04:43:00,730 --> 04:43:02,370
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor, we'll provide.

4147
04:43:02,370 --> 04:43:06,350
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, having said that, at least with that 1 billion that we're referring to or talking about,

4148
04:43:07,150 --> 04:43:10,650
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: you do recognize that underspending is a major sin.

4149
04:43:10,990 --> 04:43:12,510
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Meaning, when

4150
04:43:12,510 --> 04:43:14,710
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: you set aside money and it doesn't happen,

4151
04:43:15,290 --> 04:43:20,170
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: there are cascading effects. To us laymen, what is the effect when that happens?

4152
04:43:21,070 --> 04:43:28,610
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor, as we have seen, of course, economic activity, we're also limited and even our growth was affected if government itself

4153
04:43:28,610 --> 04:43:32,090
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: was not able to spend what was appropriated.

4154
04:43:32,530 --> 04:43:37,230
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And plus the fact that when the projects were actually funded,

4155
04:43:37,410 --> 04:43:40,830
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there were other projects that were not funded as well. So, these were

4156
04:43:40,830 --> 04:43:48,910
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: put into sideline to prioritize these projects. So, we really would like these projects to be implemented, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4157
04:43:50,410 --> 04:43:54,670
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I state that, Secretary, because one of the reasons why there is... is

4158
04:43:54,670 --> 04:43:57,870
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: underspending at least for public works is

4159
04:43:57,870 --> 04:44:03,310
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: primarily because of a number of requirements, which today we are also facing relative

4160
04:44:03,310 --> 04:44:06,770
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: to the issuance of the or the NEP

4161
04:44:06,770 --> 04:44:07,290
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: results.

4162
04:44:08,210 --> 04:44:10,270
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Meron kasing isa dun is yung...

4163
04:44:11,030 --> 04:44:15,370
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: One of the reasons why things don't get implemented is

4164
04:44:15,370 --> 04:44:18,050
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: the lack of support on the part of the local government.

4165
04:44:18,730 --> 04:44:19,710
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, isa yun eh.

4166
04:44:19,950 --> 04:44:22,270
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Pag hindi nakakuha ng building permit,

4167
04:44:22,610 --> 04:44:23,850
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: location plan,

4168
04:44:24,470 --> 04:44:26,130
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: ng demolition permit,

4169
04:44:26,410 --> 04:44:28,810
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: talagang walang magawa eh.

4170
04:44:29,090 --> 04:44:36,710
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, today it's now a basic requirement for any new item in the budget of the DPWH. What

4171
04:44:36,710 --> 04:44:40,950
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: is the remedy when that happens? We have to provide a remedy when the

4172
04:44:40,950 --> 04:44:43,790
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: LGU itself becomes the stumbling block.

4173
04:44:44,150 --> 04:44:45,490
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Ano bang recourse natin dyan?

4174
04:44:46,590 --> 04:44:56,730
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I think number one, Mr. Chair, this is insofar as actual implementation is concerned, definitely yun pong permitting is... Already after the allotment was issued,

4175
04:44:56,950 --> 04:45:00,650
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we are not requiring those permits prior to the release of the

4176
04:45:00,650 --> 04:45:04,890
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allotment. And that is also why we put premium, Your Honor, dun po sa

4177
04:45:04,890 --> 04:45:08,190
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: early coordination at

4178
04:45:08,190 --> 04:45:12,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the very beginning of the planning. And even the departments, we actually require

4179
04:45:12,950 --> 04:45:15,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: them during budget preparation. Ito pong for 2027,

4180
04:45:16,210 --> 04:45:21,330
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there's already this manifestation that we require from the agencies. Ito pong mga ganitong

4181
04:45:21,330 --> 04:45:28,310
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: coordination with the respective local... localities sa pagkuha po ng mga necessary permits, including national government,

4182
04:45:28,650 --> 04:45:35,690
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: are actually tapos na or taken care of so that we avoid a similar occurrence for 2027, Your Honor.

4183
04:45:36,330 --> 04:45:40,830
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: But what happens kung sa CDC level pa lang, hindi siya tine-take up or in-approve?

4184
04:45:41,050 --> 04:45:42,570
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: And that's pre-budgeting.

4185
04:45:42,770 --> 04:45:44,210
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, anong recourse?

4186
04:45:44,450 --> 04:45:49,330
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Ibig ba sabihin, if there's a political dynamics within a local

4187
04:45:49,330 --> 04:45:52,370
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: government, wala nang talagang pag-asa makakuha ng pondo

4188
04:45:52,370 --> 04:45:54,840
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: galing sa national government? What is the

4189
04:45:54,840 --> 04:45:55,950
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: recourse, Secretary Kim?

4190
04:45:58,570 --> 04:46:08,110
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Isa po kasi, Your Honor, sa kinukonsider natin is also a provision of the local government code on coordination, of course, with the local

4191
04:46:08,110 --> 04:46:10,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: government units. But definitely,

4192
04:46:10,670 --> 04:46:17,590
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in ideal sense, Your Honor, what we envision is dapat po aligned yung

4193
04:46:17,590 --> 04:46:27,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: development plans, both at the local level, napapanig po sa regional development plan, at kung ano man po yung pupondohan ng national government, is actually in line with

4194
04:46:27,950 --> 04:46:30,430
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the requirements of the local

4195
04:46:30,430 --> 04:46:32,010
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: government unit. So,

4196
04:46:32,030 --> 04:46:40,190
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the coordination part on the part of the national government agency who will implement the project is very

4197
04:46:40,190 --> 04:46:44,070
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: crucial dun po sa subject matter, subject

4198
04:46:44,070 --> 04:46:46,430
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: project that we are discussing, Your Honor.

4199
04:46:46,630 --> 04:46:48,370
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: It is crucial, but

4200
04:46:48,370 --> 04:46:48,790
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: is it

4201
04:46:48,790 --> 04:46:50,870
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: critical? Ibig ko sabihin,

4202
04:46:50,990 --> 04:46:54,870
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: what if na, Secretary, that that's a situation on the ground?

4203
04:46:56,010 --> 04:46:56,563
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: It's not uncommon,

4204
04:46:56,730 --> 04:46:59,190
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: because I'm speaking from my own experience.

4205
04:46:59,950 --> 04:47:00,990
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: What is the remedy?

4206
04:47:01,210 --> 04:47:02,150
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Do we just

4207
04:47:02,150 --> 04:47:05,730
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: write? I mean, anong sumulat na kami sa

4208
04:47:05,730 --> 04:47:13,810
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: lahat, anti-red tape, pero wala eh. Anong remedy for development in a particular district?

4209
04:47:15,270 --> 04:47:22,510
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I think while prior consultation with the local government code is something that is enshrined in the

4210
04:47:22,510 --> 04:47:29,430
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: local government code, ito po ay mga priority. Ito po ay mga priority projects ng national government. So, I believe we really have to

4211
04:47:29,430 --> 04:47:34,310
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: exhaust these remedies to make sure that the projects gets implemented, kasi

4212
04:47:34,310 --> 04:47:38,930
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sayang naman po yung resources allocated for these projects that will also

4213
04:47:38,930 --> 04:47:46,830
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: redound to benefits ng ating mga kababayan in that specific locality. Nevertheless, Your Honor, if

4214
04:47:46,830 --> 04:47:55,770
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there is a specific project, then probably we can also call the attention of the anti-red tape authority, given that these are also national projects.

4215
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Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: We've done it, and they have been callous relative to that.

4216
04:47:59,510 --> 04:48:00,310
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Sir Kim,

4217
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Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: yun lang naman ang tanong natin eh. Sa barangay, okay siya lahat, particularly for highly urbanized cities, we have no other requires higher than that authority.

4218
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Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: If I accept that answer, then that's not local autonomy, that's local

4219
04:48:13,230 --> 04:48:17,150
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: authority monopoly. Hindi naman yun ang ini-envision ng batas.

4220
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Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Because power is meant to be shared equally, because hindi naman yung isang may repository of the truth eh.

4221
04:48:23,430 --> 04:48:29,430
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: So, yun ang hinihingi kung ano ang pwedeng, kung ano ang magagawa sa ganyang pagkakataon. There has to be a solution, guys.

4222
04:48:31,750 --> 04:48:36,290
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, since the project is enacted

4223
04:48:36,290 --> 04:48:43,050
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in the GAA and hindi natin simply mapapalitan yung project, the other recourse that we are also top

4224
04:48:43,050 --> 04:48:48,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of mind is we seek the intervention of the Department of Interior and Local Government,

4225
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: who has the power of supervision over the local government units, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4226
04:48:54,890 --> 04:48:57,890
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Hindi yung problema kasi. Hindi natin sa CDC pa lang eh, sa

4227
04:48:57,890 --> 04:49:01,990
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: pre-budget eh. So, sa post, okay yun, pero yung pre, anong recourse?

4228
04:49:02,150 --> 04:49:06,210
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Kung hindi kami makadaan sa CDC, na hindi kami ma-agenda, paano yun?

4229
04:49:35,180 --> 04:49:42,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, since these are actually more internal in terms of local government operations, may we respectfully defer to the

4230
04:49:42,760 --> 04:49:46,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DILG on other possible recourse on that particular instance?

4231
04:49:47,640 --> 04:49:50,980
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I will have to seek your intervention.

4232
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Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Because this is a budget matter.

4233
04:49:54,200 --> 04:49:59,600
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Whether it is putting it in the GAA itself, at least on the implementation side, saying that

4234
04:49:59,600 --> 04:50:08,440
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: items or permits are deemed approved, if submitted, complete within 30 days, and still there is no action, that's one recourse that we have.

4235
04:50:08,640 --> 04:50:10,480
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: But it is the pre-budget that

4236
04:50:10,480 --> 04:50:13,540
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: is my source of concern, which is really plaguing us,

4237
04:50:13,760 --> 04:50:17,520
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: and especially with the requirements that you have come up with. Anong gagawin namin?

4238
04:50:17,720 --> 04:50:20,260
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Mag-aantay kami ng isang taon, dalawang taon,

4239
04:50:20,300 --> 04:50:25,080
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: bago kami magkaroon ng line item sa budget? We

4240
04:50:26,520 --> 04:50:32,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We fully recognize that, Your Honor, especially its implications in succeeding projects for particular localities.

4241
04:50:32,780 --> 04:50:38,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: localities. And we'll also check and sit down with the DILG on particular

4242
04:50:38,220 --> 04:50:42,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: recourse or actions that we can take. We'd be happy to work with Your

4243
04:50:42,640 --> 04:50:44,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Honor on this particular matter.

4244
04:50:45,420 --> 04:50:48,480
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: I will normally never accept

4245
04:50:48,480 --> 04:50:50,920
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: that answer, but today I will accept it.

4246
04:50:51,020 --> 04:50:53,420
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Because we cannot allow that

4247
04:50:53,420 --> 04:50:56,560
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: there is political domination. It's the defense of our district.

4248
04:50:56,760 --> 04:50:58,720
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Hindi talaga katanggap-tanggap. Kailangan

4249
04:50:58,720 --> 04:51:00,400
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: mahanapin siya ng solusyon.

4250
04:51:01,020 --> 04:51:03,180
Rep. Atty. Miro S. Quimbo: Thank you very much, SBC.

4251
04:51:04,040 --> 04:51:06,240
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat, Kong Miro.

4252
04:51:07,180 --> 04:51:09,740
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And I hope DBM

4253
04:51:09,740 --> 04:51:12,660
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: with DILG and the representative of

4254
04:51:12,660 --> 04:51:16,400
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Marikina resolves this issue very, very soon.

4255
04:51:16,880 --> 04:51:17,360
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you.

4256
04:51:17,900 --> 04:51:19,380
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, for

4257
04:51:19,380 --> 04:51:22,140
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the last representative,

4258
04:51:22,400 --> 04:51:23,460
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: for the first round,

4259
04:51:24,940 --> 04:51:29,200
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Marikina. Who would propound her questions, may we call on

4260
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congresswoman Renee Co.

4261
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Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Chair.

4262
04:51:35,920 --> 04:51:37,980
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: First questions ko po for DBM.

4263
04:51:38,560 --> 04:51:44,220
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Na-mention po kanina yung free higher education deficiency. And yung update din po, Mr. Chair,

4264
04:51:44,400 --> 04:51:52,060
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: that may 9.75 billion na nga pong released from the free higher education deficiency. So, I'm happy to hear that.

4265
04:51:52,200 --> 04:52:15,960
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: May 12 billion kasi pong na-promise. From last year's budget deliberations. Dahil may deficiency na hindi na-release to the SUCs. And na-pinpoint actually yung cause of that. May several questions po ako para ma-ensure na hindi na po ulit mangyari ito. Una po, nakalagay

4266
04:52:15,960 --> 04:52:25,920
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: po kasi sa RA 10931 na dapat po ang basihan ng formula ng budget ng SUC ay yung projected number of enrollees for each academic year. Since

4267
04:52:25,920 --> 04:52:35,200
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: 2022, nung nalipat po sa DBM yung pag-calculate ng budget neto, ang nakuha nating report ay naging based

4268
04:52:35,200 --> 04:52:43,840
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: po on actual number of enrollees of the previous academic year. Ito po yung naging root cause ultimately kung bakit merong 12 billion higher

4269
04:52:43,840 --> 04:52:45,400
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: education

4270
04:52:45,400 --> 04:52:48,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: deficiency. So, can

4271
04:52:48,480 --> 04:52:57,200
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: I ask the good secretary kung resolved na po ba ito? Ano po ba yung formula na gamit nyo ngayon para i-calculate? Yung budget ng SUCs.

4272
04:53:00,360 --> 04:53:06,880
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, your honor, in calculating for particularly for the 2027 level

4273
04:53:06,880 --> 04:53:07,740
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for

4274
04:53:07,740 --> 04:53:10,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the free

4275
04:53:10,060 --> 04:53:17,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: higher education, we have used the average actual enrollment including the growth over the past three years so

4276
04:53:17,780 --> 04:53:23,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that at the very least we can apply hindi lang po yung actual but even yung projected growth based on historical

4277
04:53:23,960 --> 04:53:26,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: figure. So, this way,

4278
04:53:26,580 --> 04:53:33,580
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: medyo mas malapit po ito. Hopefully, mas malapit po ito because you already factored in potential average growth rate.

4279
04:53:33,700 --> 04:53:38,020
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Hindi na lang po siya yung actual as of last academic year.

4280
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: In addition, continues po, your honor, Mr. Chair, yung aming discussion with CHED and UNIFAST para po mas mai-align

4281
04:53:46,960 --> 04:53:52,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung programming for the universal access for quality tertiary education. In

4282
04:53:52,140 --> 04:53:56,420
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fact, meron pong ongoing study on the normative formula for

4283
04:53:56,420 --> 04:53:59,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: our state universities and colleges. And meron po kaming

4284
04:53:59,380 --> 04:54:03,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: scheduled meeting this week kung hindi po makancel

4285
04:54:03,380 --> 04:54:05,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dahil sa malakas

4286
04:54:05,120 --> 04:54:08,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pong pag-ulan. We are scheduled to meet po with CHED, UNIFAST, and some

4287
04:54:08,840 --> 04:54:14,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: representatives of our SUCs to discuss the proposed normative financing moving forward.

4288
04:54:14,700 --> 04:54:46,760
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Mr. Chair, Secretary, magkukompang question na rin ako dahil marami tayong gustong itanong. So, una po, actually, yung unang nirequest natin last year nung kinampanya po ito kasama yung SUC administrators and student leaders, ay 15 billion po yung FHE deficiency na isagot dahil po inaasahan natin na meron pa rin deficiency from 2025 to 2026 dahil hindi nga po nagbago yung calculation. So, can I ask po, okay, from yung 12 billion covering up to 2025,

4289
04:54:47,360 --> 04:54:53,660
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ano po ba yung deficiency from 2025 to 2026, if any, Secretary, Mr. Chair?

4290
04:54:59,840 --> 04:55:14,840
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And to add na lang din po, dahil noong kinokontrol, kung consult po natin yung state universities and college, they're reporting na meron pa rin. Lumiit, pero meron pa rin pong deficiency. So, syempre, we'd like to ask, paano po yun? And paano po syempre i-cover yun?

4291
04:55:15,220 --> 04:55:22,420
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on latest data available to DBM, Your Honor, we don't have yet information on the supposed deficiency.

4292
04:55:22,920 --> 04:55:29,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And we stand ready and we continuously coordinate with CHED and UNIFAST so that we can secure the data so

4293
04:55:29,960 --> 04:55:33,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that once we go back to Congress, we can at least find some solution. There's

4294
04:55:33,980 --> 04:55:38,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: funding deficiency and where we can source them in the event there's a deficiency for

4295
04:55:38,780 --> 04:55:40,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the latest academic year, Your Honor.

4296
04:55:41,400 --> 04:55:46,960
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But that's for the latest, no? Pero meron tayong previous academic years na hindi po na-cover ng 12 billion.

4297
04:55:47,300 --> 04:55:49,460
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: But anyway, we have data rin po, Secretary,

4298
04:55:49,880 --> 04:56:18,620
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Mr. Chair. We can submit that para po ma-insure na kung ano man pong kailangan may pondo ay mapondohan sa pinakakagyat. Next question po, regarding din sa operation ng SUCs. We are aware. We are aware that DBM, in a memo, required different government agencies to essentially ibalik 20% ng kanilang MOOE para po sa uplift, I assume. And ang

4299
04:56:18,620 --> 04:56:33,740
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ating SUCs ay nag-submit ng kanilang posesyon na sana hindi po gawin for SUCs. Kulang na kulang na nga po yung budget sa operations, matatanggalan pa rin po. May I ask DBM kung meron na po ba silang response doon? Doon sa kanilang concern.

4300
04:56:35,900 --> 04:56:49,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, we confirm that we have received that request from our SUCs for exemption from the implementation of NBC 906, 602 and 603. However, we are constrained

4301
04:56:49,960 --> 04:56:54,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: because there is no such provision for any exemption. What we clarified sa

4302
04:56:54,940 --> 04:56:57,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: atin pong mga SUCs, Your Honor, Mr. Chair,

4303
04:56:57,680 --> 04:57:01,280
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is not, it's just that we are not asking for,

4304
04:57:01,980 --> 04:57:03,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 20% of their MOOE.

4305
04:57:03,700 --> 04:57:11,180
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The coverage of the circular is actually 20% of unobligated MOOE, which is different from 20%

4306
04:57:11,620 --> 04:57:12,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of MOOE.

4307
04:57:12,960 --> 04:57:16,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Because, of course, we don't calculate and get savings from

4308
04:57:16,700 --> 04:57:21,740
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allotments already obligated. So that's two different figures. And we

4309
04:57:21,740 --> 04:57:24,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: thank, of course, those SUCs who have heeded the call.

4310
04:57:24,560 --> 04:57:33,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May mga nakapag-submit naman po ng savings nila in accordance sa NBC 602. And 603, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4311
04:57:34,040 --> 04:57:44,860
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Mr. Chair, may isa pa rin po tayong nakuhang concern from SUCs na meron po silang mga MOOEs requested for extension campuses na hindi po nag-agrant.

4312
04:57:45,180 --> 04:58:06,420
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And dahil po doon napapwersang kumuha ng piece of the pie sa MOOE ng main campuses para po mapondohan lang yung operations ng extension campuses. We can discuss this po. Would the good secretary be amenable to a dialogue or a discussion para po ma-insure na hindi po, kung mangyari ito para po pondo and continuous yung operations ng lahat ng SUCs natin?

4313
04:58:07,200 --> 04:58:15,800
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We fully recognize that, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, in fact, we're maintaining an inventory of all recent legislations as well,

4314
04:58:17,020 --> 04:58:23,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: institutionalizing satellite campuses or annexes so that this can be factored in in our programming,

4315
04:58:23,240 --> 04:58:29,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: but also cognizant of available resources din po sa ating mga SUCs, kabilang na nga rin po itong

4316
04:58:29,120 --> 04:58:34,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: latest release natin in settling our arrears for free higher education. But we'd be happy to sit

4317
04:58:34,620 --> 04:58:38,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: with Your Honor to strategize how we'll be able to

4318
04:58:38,960 --> 04:58:41,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: settle

4319
04:58:41,060 --> 04:58:47,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ito pong ating mga funding requirements for satellite units and extension campuses.

4320
04:58:48,060 --> 04:58:56,220
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Happy to hear that, Secretary, lalo na po, as it stands, may mga kawawa po talagang legislated extension campuses dahil wala pong pondo. Next

4321
04:58:56,220 --> 04:58:59,820
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: question ko po ay on confidential and intelligence funds.

4322
04:59:01,140 --> 04:59:16,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: According to—during our turnover, you mentioned po na yung mga ahensya lang pong legally authorized ang merong CIF this 2027. Can I ask, ano pong mga ahensya ang legally authorized to have CIF? Is there a list that DBM has?

4323
04:59:18,220 --> 04:59:28,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, the following po are the agencies with confidential expenses in the proposed 2027 NEP.

4324
04:59:31,280 --> 04:59:32,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Can

4325
04:59:32,480 --> 04:59:41,740
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: I ask, Mr. Chair, so yan po ay for 2027, every year po ba that changes according to which agency requests for confidential funds?

4326
04:59:42,420 --> 04:59:47,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Not necessarily, Your Honor. In fact, for 2027, we

4327
04:59:47,300 --> 04:59:50,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: reverted to the

4328
04:59:50,780 --> 04:59:57,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: same agencies na meron pong confidential and intelligence funds under the 2026 NEP. So

4329
04:59:57,160 --> 04:59:58,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: these are practically same

4330
04:59:58,960 --> 05:00:03,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agencies when we refer to the NEP. Although the levels are lower

4331
05:00:03,520 --> 05:00:07,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: than the 2026 GAA, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4332
05:00:08,480 --> 05:00:14,240
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So there's no one list? Na ito lang pong pwedeng mga ahensya may CIF, yung

4333
05:00:14,240 --> 05:00:14,820
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: iba hindi?

4334
05:00:16,000 --> 05:00:26,601
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ito po yung list, Your Honor, If that is what we refer to as the one list, then these are the agencies who are legally authorized and historically provided for with confidential and intelligence funds.

4335
05:00:27,300 --> 05:00:30,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: in the GAA, Your Honor.

4336
05:00:33,520 --> 05:00:35,280
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Should I mention the agencies?

4337
05:00:35,280 --> 05:00:36,168
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Yes, if you could, Secretary.

4338
05:00:42,190 --> 05:00:44,225
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So we start with

4339
05:00:44,225 --> 05:00:45,242
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the confidential funds.

4340
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For confidential funds, Your Honor: the Office of the President; DENR-OSEC;

4341
05:00:49,820 --> 05:00:50,837
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOF-BOC;

4342
05:00:50,837 --> 05:00:53,150
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOF-BIR;

4343
05:00:53,380 --> 05:00:54,397
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DILG-OSEC;

4344
05:00:54,397 --> 05:00:58,466
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOJ-OSEC;

4345
05:00:58,466 --> 05:00:58,975
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: [unclear agency name];

4346
05:01:05,950 --> 05:01:09,470
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Bureau of Immigration, DOJ NBI,

4347
05:01:09,850 --> 05:01:12,450
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOJ Office

4348
05:01:12,450 --> 05:01:13,610
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of the Solicitor General,

4349
05:01:14,010 --> 05:01:16,150
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DND OSEC,

4350
05:01:16,270 --> 05:01:20,830
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DSWD OSEC,

4351
05:01:20,890 --> 05:01:25,470
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DOTR Office of Transportation Security, the

4352
05:01:25,470 --> 05:01:27,050
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Anti-Money Laundering Council,

4353
05:01:28,030 --> 05:01:29,810
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Games and Amusement Board,

4354
05:01:30,150 --> 05:01:34,230
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: National Intelligence Coordinating Agency, National Security Council,

4355
05:01:34,710 --> 05:01:36,110
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: OPAPRU, PIDEA,

4356
05:01:36,330 --> 05:01:41,150
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: COA, the Ombudsman, Commission on Human Rights. Basically, your honor, those

4357
05:01:41,150 --> 05:01:46,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: with mandate in conduct of surveillance activities, counterintelligence, and investigation.

4358
05:01:47,150 --> 05:01:49,330
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For intelligence funds, your honor,

4359
05:01:49,530 --> 05:01:53,250
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it's limited to the Office of the President, the

4360
05:01:53,250 --> 05:01:54,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Philippine National Police,

4361
05:01:55,110 --> 05:01:55,710
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the

4362
05:01:55,710 --> 05:01:56,930
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DND OSEC,

4363
05:01:57,090 --> 05:02:00,190
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the Armed Forces of the Philippines, the

4364
05:02:00,190 --> 05:02:04,290
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Philippine Coast Guard and NICA, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4365
05:02:04,910 --> 05:02:13,070
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So kung may ahensya po bang gustong may confidential activities or gustong maipa confidential expenses, they have to ask DBM?

4366
05:02:13,530 --> 05:02:19,030
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Does DBM have the power to say, sige, pwede, and then ilagay natin sa budget?

4367
05:02:19,690 --> 05:02:26,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Any request for the grant of confidential expenses, your honor, will have to be... will be evaluated based on their mandate.

4368
05:02:26,450 --> 05:02:29,170
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If the agency has the mandate in conducting

4369
05:02:29,170 --> 05:02:31,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: surveillance

4370
05:02:31,630 --> 05:02:35,830
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: and counter-surveillance activities, yun lamang po yung magiging basis

4371
05:02:35,830 --> 05:02:39,070
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: natin sa pag-propose ng

4372
05:02:39,070 --> 05:02:43,430
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential expenses. But then again, your honor, Mr. Chair, in the 2027 budget,

4373
05:02:43,710 --> 05:02:46,890
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nanatili po yung same list ng mga agencies na

4374
05:02:46,890 --> 05:02:50,330
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron pong confidential and intelligence funds.

4375
05:02:50,830 --> 05:02:55,130
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And wala po ang Department of Education and OVP. Dito sa list na ito.

4376
05:02:55,270 --> 05:03:01,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We confirm, your honor, wala po ang Department of Education and Office of the Vice President sa

4377
05:03:01,630 --> 05:03:03,110
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: listahan po ng

4378
05:03:03,110 --> 05:03:06,670
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mayroong confidential and intelligence funds for 2027.

4379
05:03:07,150 --> 05:03:09,690
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Or historically, have they never been in the list?

4380
05:03:19,390 --> 05:03:23,030
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on this table, your honor, Mr. Chair,

4381
05:03:23,350 --> 05:03:28,010
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there was one year kung saan po nagkaroon po ng confidential

4382
05:03:28,010 --> 05:03:29,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fund ang

4383
05:03:29,870 --> 05:03:34,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Office of the Vice President and DepEd. And that was in... In 2023,

4384
05:03:35,650 --> 05:03:36,770
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: your honor, Mr. Chair.

4385
05:03:38,190 --> 05:03:38,830
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So,

4386
05:03:38,830 --> 05:03:42,850
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: if they request again, maaaring i

4387
05:03:42,850 --> 05:03:54,230
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: -evaluate pa rin ang DBM. So, I guess, this is of... I'm asking this dahil mataas po yung public interest dito. Currently, there's concurrent processes

4388
05:03:54,230 --> 05:04:02,530
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in the Senate, tinitignan yung mandato ng DepEd and OVP to actually maghawak ng confidential and intelligence funds. It's been found that...

4389
05:04:03,470 --> 05:04:10,770
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: It was used on tree planting activities, parties, other events. So, actually, my question would

4390
05:04:10,770 --> 05:04:14,070
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: like to go a little bit in detail if the Chair will allow me.

4391
05:04:14,210 --> 05:04:18,510
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Last question, Congresswoman Rennie. Pwede pa naman next round.

4392
05:04:18,810 --> 05:04:20,110
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you. Mr. Chair,

4393
05:04:20,330 --> 05:04:22,430
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: can the DBM check the physical and

4394
05:04:22,430 --> 05:04:33,050
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: financial plan? Ito po ay annex sa lahat ng mga agencies na nag-request at mag-share ng kanilang mga confidential expenses.

4395
05:04:41,960 --> 05:04:51,860
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Can the DBM check and maybe deny yung request for confidential expenses based on the physical and financial plan kung na-check nila na hindi pala

4396
05:04:51,860 --> 05:04:54,100
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in line sa mandate nila?

4397
05:04:54,420 --> 05:05:07,660
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Well, sa umpisa pa lang po kasi, your honor, Mr. Chair, yun pong pagkakaroon ng confidential and intelligence funds, babalik po muli tayo dun sa mandate. Pagdating po dun sa physical and financial plan,

4398
05:05:07,840 --> 05:05:11,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang DBM po, nire-review po natin yan. But our... Our

4399
05:05:11,920 --> 05:05:17,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: visibility is also limited kasi nga po yung detalye siyempre po nung paggagamitan actually ay

4400
05:05:17,500 --> 05:05:23,580
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential as well. So, yun po yung nagiging bahagi natin sa evaluation.

4401
05:05:24,300 --> 05:05:34,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yun pong actual na pinagagamitan po, doon na po pumapasok yung role po ng COA sa pag-audit kung saan actually dinala yung confidential and intelligence funds ng mga ahensya. Mr.

4402
05:05:34,380 --> 05:05:36,440
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Chair, I make this manifestation because

4403
05:05:36,440 --> 05:05:38,240
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: ayaw

4404
05:05:38,240 --> 05:05:51,620
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: nating maulit yung nangyayari ngayon. Na ito... It took spending and then pagbubut-but ng COA and then years after, makikita kung gaano kadami yung anomalies bago makita na

4405
05:05:51,620 --> 05:06:05,760
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: hindi pala tama, kailangan ibalik sa kaban ng bayan yung maling nagasta. So, if sa level pa lang po ng DBM, ay kaya na po pala siyang ma-check, may some level of discretion, may some level of

4406
05:06:05,760 --> 05:06:07,400
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: accountability

4407
05:06:07,400 --> 05:06:29,420
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: at that level, kaya na pong mangyari. We'd like to... We'd like to see kung pwedeng mas i-exercise ng DBM yun. And I'm asking this also dahil in 2018, nagkaroon po ng... or 2017, nagkaroon po ng sudden increase yung confidential expenses ng Office of the President. From 2016, 500 million, naging 2.5 billion na po.

4408
05:06:29,540 --> 05:06:31,080
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: And up

4409
05:06:31,080 --> 05:06:59,500
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: until now, we don't have transparent reasons kung bakit, except noong 2017, may limang agencies and purposes na dinescribe. Kung saan po pwedeng pumunta tong 2.5 billion na ito. So may I ask, last question, Mr. Chair, this 2.5 billion pesos na ganito kalaki na confidential expenses ng Office of the President, may kaalaman po ba yung DBM kung saan po ito napupunta? Mayroon pong five purposes na nilista before.

4410
05:07:00,340 --> 05:07:00,980
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Presidential

4411
05:07:00,980 --> 05:07:05,020
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Anti-Organized Crime Commission, Philippine Center on Transnational Crime,

4412
05:07:05,280 --> 05:07:11,740
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: etc. Pero hindi rin po detalyado. Walang specific budget allocation. Okay,

4413
05:07:11,840 --> 05:07:14,600
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: so that will be the last question, Congresswoman Rene.

4414
05:07:15,100 --> 05:07:17,080
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat. Secretary Kim,

4415
05:07:17,120 --> 05:07:17,420
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: please

4416
05:07:17,420 --> 05:07:18,520
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: reply.

4417
05:07:18,780 --> 05:07:23,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, as to evaluating, we would continue evaluating any request. In fact,

4418
05:07:23,960 --> 05:07:29,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for 2027, mayroon po kaming mga na-receive na request for confidential funds.

4419
05:07:30,000 --> 05:07:37,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But upon evaluation, nakita po namin na po pwede namang hindi confidential yung nature ng expenses. At doon na lang po namin

4420
05:07:37,120 --> 05:07:43,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: probably i-dadagdag. Instead of it being a confidential. So bahagi po yun nung ating evaluation.

4421
05:07:43,600 --> 05:07:47,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: As to the details kung saan po yung actual na paggamitan ng

4422
05:07:47,920 --> 05:07:52,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential and intelligence funds, considering the nature of these funds, Your Honor,

4423
05:07:52,660 --> 05:08:08,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: nandun lang po kami sa overall program or overall strategies kung saan po ito maaaring mapunta. Consistent din po doon sa joint circular that is issued on how intelligence and confidential funds are authorized to be disbursed. Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4424
05:08:08,720 --> 05:08:10,200
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4425
05:08:10,200 --> 05:08:13,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Congresswoman Renee. And thank you very much,

4426
05:08:13,320 --> 05:08:14,480
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Secretary Kim.

4427
05:08:14,880 --> 05:08:17,540
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That ends our first round.

4428
05:08:18,270 --> 05:08:21,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And we will proceed immediately to

4429
05:08:21,220 --> 05:08:28,180
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: our second round. At dito po sa second round, wala na pong majority-minority independent. Kung

4430
05:08:28,180 --> 05:08:29,880
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: sino po yung unang nag-register,

4431
05:08:30,080 --> 05:08:31,720
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: sila po yung unang

4432
05:08:31,720 --> 05:08:32,640
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: tatawagin.

4433
05:08:32,720 --> 05:08:34,100
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, may

4434
05:08:34,100 --> 05:08:34,860
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: we call on

4435
05:08:34,860 --> 05:08:38,660
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Representative Antonio Tinio to

4436
05:08:38,660 --> 05:08:40,140
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: begin our second round.

4437
05:08:40,300 --> 05:08:40,840
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you.

4438
05:08:41,420 --> 05:08:42,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Thank you, Chair.

4439
05:08:42,580 --> 05:08:46,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Chair, babalikan ko yung pera, personal economic relief allowance.

4440
05:08:47,720 --> 05:08:51,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kanina, tama po ba ang intindi ko? Sabi ni Secretary

4441
05:08:51,500 --> 05:08:52,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kim,

4442
05:08:52,240 --> 05:08:53,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay may

4443
05:08:53,080 --> 05:08:55,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: study ngayon and

4444
05:08:55,200 --> 05:08:57,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: then they will hopefully

4445
05:08:57,060 --> 05:09:00,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: recommend to the President that by 2027,

4446
05:09:01,140 --> 05:09:03,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ay mag-implement ng increase sa

4447
05:09:03,620 --> 05:09:08,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pera o personal economic relief allowance. Tama po ba ang intindi ko?

4448
05:09:08,680 --> 05:09:10,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Yun ang sinabi niyo kanina.

4449
05:09:10,640 --> 05:09:13,180
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4450
05:09:13,340 --> 05:09:14,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Touch move na yan.

4451
05:09:16,000 --> 05:09:20,180
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ibig sabihin, ang plano talaga or recommendation is by

4452
05:09:20,180 --> 05:09:22,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2027, may

4453
05:09:22,900 --> 05:09:26,900
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: increase sa pera. At matutuwa po ang lahat

4454
05:09:26,900 --> 05:09:29,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng mga government employees na nandito, yung mga regular.

4455
05:09:30,540 --> 05:09:31,140
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dahil

4456
05:09:31,140 --> 05:09:35,240
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pinag-uusapan natin yung additional 2,000 a month na

4457
05:09:35,240 --> 05:09:35,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: matagal ng

4458
05:09:35,820 --> 05:09:37,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: napako.

4459
05:09:39,680 --> 05:09:40,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Of course,

4460
05:09:40,160 --> 05:09:43,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang tanong kagad dyan ay magkano?

4461
05:09:44,240 --> 05:09:49,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kung increase, magkano? At may budget ba yan sa pinropose nyo?

4462
05:09:51,040 --> 05:09:56,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, actually yun po yung bahagi ng pag-aaral. Kung magkano po yung maire-recommendang increase.

4463
05:09:57,640 --> 05:10:01,320
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: At yung pangalawa pong factor din is hopefully,

4464
05:10:01,500 --> 05:10:06,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po yung magiging source po dito ay yung Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund,

4465
05:10:06,480 --> 05:10:21,740
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun din po sana yung hinahabol natin. Na hanggat maaari ay hindi po mabawasan dahil yun po yung makakaapekto doon sa kakayahan nating makapag-implement nung any increase doon po sa ating pera allowance para sa ating mga government

4466
05:10:21,740 --> 05:10:22,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: employees.

4467
05:10:22,820 --> 05:10:29,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay. Kaya ako po tinatanong yan kasi nga 55 billion pesos ang nasa MPBF. Isang lump sum po yan.

4468
05:10:29,880 --> 05:10:31,600
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At sabi nyo, dyan maaaring kunin.

4469
05:10:31,780 --> 05:10:36,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And earlier, in my interpretation earlier, sinabi ko historically, yung

4470
05:10:36,700 --> 05:10:38,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: MPBF isa sa mga ginagalaw.

4471
05:10:39,740 --> 05:10:51,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Binabawasan to make room for congressional insertion. So, kaya gusto ko pong i-diin, Mr. Chair, na malinaw na, no, ang plano dito sa

4472
05:10:51,500 --> 05:10:53,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 55 billion ay

4473
05:10:53,360 --> 05:10:54,260
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pang pondo

4474
05:10:54,260 --> 05:10:56,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: sa pera

4475
05:10:56,160 --> 05:10:56,820
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng

4476
05:10:56,820 --> 05:11:02,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: mga government employees. So, dapat hindi na ito galawin at bawasan ng

4477
05:11:02,580 --> 05:11:03,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kongreso.

4478
05:11:03,540 --> 05:11:05,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kung para

4479
05:11:05,680 --> 05:11:07,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: magkaroon lang tayo ng idea, Mr. Chair,

4480
05:11:08,720 --> 05:11:13,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: magkano ba ang, for a 1,000 peso increase in the

4481
05:11:13,120 --> 05:11:14,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pera, yung

4482
05:11:14,520 --> 05:11:16,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 2,000 maging 3,000, magkano ang kailangan?

4483
05:11:18,460 --> 05:11:26,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kung, Mr. Chair, Your Honor, based on our estimate, kung 1,000 ang i-increase po ng pera, representing 50% increase,

4484
05:11:27,220 --> 05:11:32,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it will have an annual funding requirement of about 24 billion pesos, Your Honor.

4485
05:11:33,560 --> 05:11:38,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, 24 billion pesos, 55 billion ang MPBF.

4486
05:11:39,780 --> 05:11:40,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So,

4487
05:11:40,380 --> 05:11:42,560
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: maximum, kaya ng 2,000.

4488
05:11:42,940 --> 05:11:43,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba?

4489
05:11:44,780 --> 05:11:53,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Although, Your Honor, we have to note as well that yung pong Miscellaneous Personnel Benefits Fund ay bukod po doon, ay may iba pa pong mga pinaggamitan.

4490
05:11:53,680 --> 05:11:54,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: We understand.

4491
05:11:54,500 --> 05:11:56,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Nandito rin po yung performance-based bonus.

4492
05:11:57,040 --> 05:12:02,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Opo. Yun pong ating funding for vacancies in the executive branch at kung meron man pong

4493
05:12:02,640 --> 05:12:07,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mga changes in organizational staffing po ng ating mga government agencies.

4494
05:12:08,940 --> 05:12:09,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

4495
05:12:09,420 --> 05:12:15,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Noted. Of course po. Ang sinasabi lang natin, it can accommodate up to 2,000.

4496
05:12:15,100 --> 05:12:17,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: In other words, a doubling of the

4497
05:12:17,320 --> 05:12:19,760
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: current pera.

4498
05:12:20,340 --> 05:12:23,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: I-note ko lang po, yung subsistence allowance ng militar,

4499
05:12:23,760 --> 05:12:29,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: from 150 a day, ginawa niyong 350 a day. That's more than double.

4500
05:12:30,920 --> 05:12:33,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama po ba? At magkano ang nakalaang pondo doon?

4501
05:12:51,400 --> 05:12:59,085
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Actually, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, yun pong pondo for the adjusted subsistence allowance ng ating military and uniformed personnel,

4502
05:12:59,085 --> 05:13:06,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: dahil ito po ay nakafix na, alinsunod po doon sa EO, nasa respective agency budgets na po ito nakalodge.

4503
05:13:06,460 --> 05:13:12,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ang total subsistence allowance po for our MUPs for 2027 is

4504
05:13:12,000 --> 05:13:15,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: about 74

4505
05:13:15,040 --> 05:13:19,560
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion na nakadistribute na po, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, sa kanikanyang

4506
05:13:19,560 --> 05:13:21,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: agency-specific budgets.

4507
05:13:23,020 --> 05:13:29,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, ang pinupunto ko lang ay ganong kalaki po ang nilaan for the increase in subsistence allowance, bali

4508
05:13:29,040 --> 05:13:29,380
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: second

4509
05:13:29,380 --> 05:13:31,420
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: year na po ito. Tama ba?

4510
05:13:31,760 --> 05:13:36,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, kailangan na pong ihabol natin yung sa Sibilyan, which is pera.

4511
05:13:36,300 --> 05:13:39,940
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So, wala na pong galawan. Yun lang sinasabi, babantayan na po natin ito.

4512
05:13:40,140 --> 05:13:40,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

4513
05:13:42,940 --> 05:13:44,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Next question ko po,

4514
05:13:44,880 --> 05:13:48,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: marami akong gustong itanong, pero nabanggit

4515
05:13:48,120 --> 05:13:50,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung confidential and intelligence funds.

4516
05:13:50,520 --> 05:13:51,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay.

4517
05:13:54,240 --> 05:13:58,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Una po, malinaw sa confidential and intelligence. Intelligence funds, 10

4518
05:13:58,780 --> 05:14:01,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: .8 billion total ang nasa budget. Tama po.

4519
05:14:02,720 --> 05:14:05,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At 4.56 billion nito,

4520
05:14:05,180 --> 05:14:08,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: o halos

4521
05:14:08,300 --> 05:14:11,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kalahati, ay nasa Office of the President.

4522
05:14:12,320 --> 05:14:12,640
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: At

4523
05:14:12,640 --> 05:14:20,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: yung 4.56 billion na confidential and intelligence funds ng Office of the President constitutes

4524
05:14:20,540 --> 05:14:26,280
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: 44.9% of the Office of the President's budget. Tama po ba? No?

4525
05:14:28,060 --> 05:14:31,020
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sumusunod ba yan sa, sabi nga, sound

4526
05:14:31,020 --> 05:14:35,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: principles of budgeting na

4527
05:14:35,700 --> 05:14:36,920
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang

4528
05:14:36,920 --> 05:14:44,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: halos kalahati ng kanyang budget, ng agency budget, ay confidential and intelligence funds?

4529
05:14:47,360 --> 05:14:54,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, ito pong confidential and intelligence funds ng Office of the President has been at that level

4530
05:14:54,100 --> 05:15:06,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: since—almost at that level since 2020. At ito po ay bahagi ng functions ng ating Pangulo bilang Commander-in-Chief ng ating Armed Forces, Your Honor, Mr. Chair.

4531
05:15:09,320 --> 05:15:09,680
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sinagot, no?

4532
05:15:12,160 --> 05:15:12,545
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang

4533
05:15:12,545 --> 05:15:16,398
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tanong ko po ay, alinsunod ba sa mga prinsipyo ng,

4534
05:15:16,398 --> 05:15:19,095
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: you know, good governance ng isang ahensya,

4535
05:15:19,095 --> 05:15:19,481
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: halos

4536
05:15:19,481 --> 05:15:26,547
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kalahati ng kanyang budget,

4537
05:15:26,547 --> 05:15:29,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: confidential, secret, hindi transparent?

4538
05:15:31,330 --> 05:15:31,556
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair,

4539
05:15:31,556 --> 05:15:33,210
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor,

4540
05:15:33,210 --> 05:15:37,850
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Dahil ang opisina po ng Pangulo ay may mandato, kaya po yung

4541
05:15:37,850 --> 05:15:41,410
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: provision niya for confidential and intelligence funds ay

4542
05:15:41,410 --> 05:15:46,830
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tingin po natin na ay naaayon, kaya po kasama po yan sa ating National Expenditure Program.

4543
05:15:47,930 --> 05:15:53,430
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Sinabi niyo 2020 lang nangyari yan. So historically hindi po ganyan. Abnormal po ito.

4544
05:15:53,450 --> 05:15:55,070
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So yun ang pinapoint out natin.

4545
05:15:55,070 --> 05:15:55,770
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now,

4546
05:15:55,870 --> 05:16:00,170
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: tanong ko po, yung confidential and intelligence funds,

4547
05:16:00,770 --> 05:16:03,390
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: item po ba yan?

4548
05:16:03,490 --> 05:16:06,150
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Is that a line item in the budget?

4549
05:16:09,230 --> 05:16:10,910
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Definition of item is

4550
05:16:10,910 --> 05:16:12,610
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: activity

4551
05:16:14,400 --> 05:16:16,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: or project, di ba?

4552
05:16:17,600 --> 05:16:20,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yun po, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, yun pong

4553
05:16:20,380 --> 05:16:26,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential expenses at intelligence expenses ay mga object of expenditure.

4554
05:16:26,660 --> 05:16:29,020
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So may katapat po itong mga...

4555
05:16:29,940 --> 05:16:30,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ...PAP.

4556
05:16:30,520 --> 05:16:33,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya po dapat ito ay directly connected

4557
05:16:33,720 --> 05:16:38,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: sa mandato po ng opisina dahil doon po nakapailalim sa PAP na yun,

4558
05:16:38,340 --> 05:16:43,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun pong object of expenditure na confidential expenses at intelligence expenses.

4559
05:16:44,020 --> 05:16:45,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So in short, hindi siya item?

4560
05:16:50,040 --> 05:16:52,440
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama, object of expenditure, di ba?

4561
05:16:52,600 --> 05:16:59,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Object of expenditure po siya, Your Honor, Mr. Chair, pero bahagi po siya ng isang PAP at yun po yung item of expenditure.

4562
05:17:01,040 --> 05:17:10,980
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay, hindi. Kaya nga... Actually, in the budget, the actual term that appears is confidential and intelligence expenses, di

4563
05:17:10,980 --> 05:17:11,120
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ba?

4564
05:17:11,860 --> 05:17:16,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Pero walang hiwalay na item na confidential and intelligence funds.

4565
05:17:17,160 --> 05:17:24,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: There's a difference. And why do I raise this? Gusto ko po i-raise ito para sa committee rin at para sa

4566
05:17:24,000 --> 05:17:25,480
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: DBM,

4567
05:17:25,740 --> 05:17:26,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: no?

4568
05:17:26,660 --> 05:17:32,720
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ang termino talaga is confidential and intelligence expenses. However, pinag-ahalo...

4569
05:17:33,260 --> 05:17:37,740
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: And kahit sa inyong joint circular, nakalagay d'yon, confidential and intelligence funds.

4570
05:17:38,680 --> 05:17:40,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Making it appear as if

4571
05:17:40,360 --> 05:17:42,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: hiwalay na pondo,

4572
05:17:42,100 --> 05:17:47,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: parang stand-alone item ang confidential and intelligence funds.

4573
05:17:47,780 --> 05:17:51,100
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Now, why am I insisting on this distinction?

4574
05:17:52,040 --> 05:17:54,620
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Kasi may implication po, pag tinrato n'yong parang item,

4575
05:17:54,980 --> 05:17:56,500
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang item po

4576
05:17:56,500 --> 05:18:01,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwedeng i-augment from savings. And

4577
05:18:01,000 --> 05:18:01,460
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: in fact,

4578
05:18:01,580 --> 05:18:08,700
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: your guidelines... Allow for that. Di ba? Yung intelligence fund pwedeng i-augment from savings. Tama, mali.

4579
05:18:09,280 --> 05:18:11,540
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay, that will be the last question.

4580
05:18:11,940 --> 05:18:12,540
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Continue.

4581
05:18:13,260 --> 05:18:16,780
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much. Kim, please reply.

4582
05:18:18,320 --> 05:18:25,280
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, Mr. Chair, since yun nga pong intelligence or confidential expenses ay object of expenditure,

4583
05:18:25,680 --> 05:18:31,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun pong eligible for augmentation, use of savings, is yung PAP.

4584
05:18:31,320 --> 05:18:40,817
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yung PAP po yung eligible. Yung PAP po yung eligible for augmentation, but subject still to compliance po with the requisites under the general provision and the approvals

4585
05:18:40,817 --> 05:18:42,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: provided for under the GAA.

4586
05:18:42,900 --> 05:18:43,300
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Okay,

4587
05:18:43,420 --> 05:18:50,160
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: maraming salamat. Pwedeng i-augment, pero yung authorization for confidential expenses,

4588
05:18:50,720 --> 05:18:51,320
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: hindi

4589
05:18:51,320 --> 05:18:52,060
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: pwedeng i-augment.

4590
05:18:53,180 --> 05:18:55,080
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Di ba? At hindi pwedeng gawin ng

4591
05:18:55,080 --> 05:18:56,520
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: lagpasan

4592
05:18:56,520 --> 05:18:57,960
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ng executive.

4593
05:18:58,960 --> 05:18:59,800
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Tama ba?

4594
05:19:00,000 --> 05:19:01,520
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Sec. Tino.

4595
05:19:01,780 --> 05:19:04,720
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: [unclear], time is up po.

4596
05:19:04,720 --> 05:19:06,840
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Ako lang po ang sinasabi ko. May mali po

4597
05:19:06,840 --> 05:19:10,780
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: kahit sa patakaran ng

4598
05:19:10,780 --> 05:19:17,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: DBM at sa joint circular ng DBM na tinatrato bilang parang hiwalay na pondo o item

4599
05:19:18,080 --> 05:19:22,040
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: ang confidential and intelligence funds and

4600
05:19:22,040 --> 05:19:23,200
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: the

4601
05:19:23,200 --> 05:19:27,540
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: rules themselves allow for augmentation from savings na parang item.

4602
05:19:28,880 --> 05:19:29,580
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: So

4603
05:19:29,580 --> 05:19:41,880
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: may mga, I mean, limited ang oras ko. Pero may marami pong mga implikasyon nito na kailangang wastoin po ito. They are expenses. They are not items. They cannot be augmented from savings, among others.

4604
05:19:42,300 --> 05:19:45,360
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Hindi po ba? Can I get a response from?

4605
05:19:46,460 --> 05:19:49,000
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Mali ito at dapat wastoin na ito.

4606
05:19:49,620 --> 05:19:51,340
Rep. Antonio L. Tinio: Dahil iyan ang inaabuso.

4607
05:19:51,340 --> 05:20:01,940
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, continue. Maybe a quick response from Sec. Kim. Tapos kung gusto ninyo, an expanded response, maybe in writing. Submit to the committee and we will give a copy to—

4608
05:20:02,460 --> 05:20:02,780
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Continue.

4609
05:20:04,500 --> 05:20:09,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yun pong, ang ino-augment naman po talaga as in any case, hindi lang po yung

4610
05:20:09,260 --> 05:20:12,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential and intelligence na line item. Hindi po yung line item.

4611
05:20:13,200 --> 05:20:15,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yun pong PAP,

4612
05:20:15,180 --> 05:20:22,560
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun pong ino-augment natin. If DIMP deficient at kailangan po talagang i-augment. Yun pong confidential expenses and

4613
05:20:22,560 --> 05:20:26,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: intelligence expenses are object of expenditure, Your Honor.

4614
05:20:26,360 --> 05:20:26,780
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay.

4615
05:20:26,840 --> 05:20:36,360
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much. Tapos paki-expound na lang in writing para lahat ng details, masagot sa tanong ni Congressman Tinio.

4616
05:20:36,360 --> 05:20:37,660
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: We will submit, Your Honor.

4617
05:20:37,660 --> 05:20:42,000
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much. So next is—

4618
05:20:43,640 --> 05:20:47,720
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Congressman Edgar Erice still here?

4619
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Parang wala na?

4620
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Okay. So we will proceed to the next

4621
05:20:52,980 --> 05:20:55,000
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: representative.

4622
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: We call on Congressman Elijah San Fernando.

4623
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Please proceed.

4624
05:21:01,160 --> 05:21:02,480
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Salamat po.

4625
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Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Secretary Balisacan,

4626
05:21:05,340 --> 05:21:09,380
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kanina po natapos tayo doon sa usapin ng mga trabaho.

4627
05:21:10,460 --> 05:21:13,680
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Meron po kayong prinesent kanina at ito binabanggit nyo pa po,

4628
05:21:13,760 --> 05:21:15,300
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: kanina pa, na

4629
05:21:15,300 --> 05:21:20,840
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: merong mga persistent constraints kung bakit hindi tayo makapaglikha ng mga industriya, ng

4630
05:21:20,840 --> 05:21:22,760
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: mga quality jobs, better paying jobs.

4631
05:21:23,540 --> 05:21:29,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And some of these factors, alimbawa itong sa economic and market factors, alimbawa high energy cost,

4632
05:21:30,160 --> 05:21:32,640
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Alam niyo, may pwede naman po tayong gawin agad dito.

4633
05:21:33,680 --> 05:21:35,100
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Halimbawa, we can remove,

4634
05:21:35,200 --> 05:21:38,740
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: or if not, reduce value-added tax on electricity.

4635
05:21:39,440 --> 05:21:42,800
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So would you agree with me dito, Secretary Balisakan?

4636
05:21:46,370 --> 05:21:51,710
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Yes, of course, there are things that you can do in the short term, in the near term,

4637
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr.

4638
05:21:54,150 --> 05:21:54,570
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair.

4639
05:21:56,210 --> 05:22:02,510
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And of course, taxes could be one. But again, tax

4640
05:22:02,510 --> 05:22:02,950
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: issues are

4641
05:22:04,770 --> 05:22:11,010
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: More complex than that, because

4642
05:22:11,010 --> 05:22:15,330
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: there are broader concerns that we have to also take into account.

4643
05:22:16,730 --> 05:22:17,730
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And

4644
05:22:17,730 --> 05:22:33,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so, for example, given the fiscal

4645
05:22:33,540 --> 05:22:33,857
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: space

4646
05:22:33,857 --> 05:22:34,490
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: use

4647
05:22:34,750 --> 05:22:35,032
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and the

4648
05:22:35,032 --> 05:22:38,810
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so much need for other development investments, you really have to identify a

4649
05:22:38,810 --> 05:22:47,590
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: replacement for those revenues that will be sacrificed as a result. So, it's easy to remove, but

4650
05:22:47,590 --> 05:22:52,150
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we have to be mindful of the consequences

4651
05:22:52,150 --> 05:22:55,890
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for other sectors and other agencies.

4652
05:22:56,510 --> 05:22:58,230
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Salamat po.

4653
05:22:58,930 --> 05:23:07,050
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, punta po sa Department of Finance. Is it the position of Department of Finance to oppose any discussion

4654
05:23:07,050 --> 05:23:10,330
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: about the removal or reduction of value-added tax on electricity?

4655
05:23:15,770 --> 05:23:21,450
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: In general, the position of the Department of Finance is that everything is fungible.

4656
05:23:22,050 --> 05:23:25,110
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: If you want to remove VAT

4657
05:23:25,110 --> 05:23:25,990
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: from

4658
05:23:25,990 --> 05:23:27,550
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: electricity, but

4659
05:23:27,550 --> 05:23:29,730
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: you can show another

4660
05:23:29,730 --> 05:23:32,370
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: revenue source of taxes,

4661
05:23:32,790 --> 05:23:35,190
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we're neutral. But the

4662
05:23:35,190 --> 05:23:41,803
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Department of Finance would naturally be opposed to the removal of any tax

4663
05:23:41,803 --> 05:23:42,273
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: without a replacement

4664
05:23:42,273 --> 05:23:42,430
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: tax.

4665
05:23:42,750 --> 05:23:43,110
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So,

4666
05:23:43,110 --> 05:23:47,250
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: categorical position, Secretary Go?

4667
05:23:47,370 --> 05:23:54,870
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yeah, our categorical position is we are not opposed to the removal of any tax as long as there is a replacement revenue source.

4668
05:23:55,270 --> 05:24:06,530
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, we can do something about this, the reduction po ng energy cost. Isa rin po sa example dito sa mga factors kung bakit hindi pumapasok yung mga, hindi tayo nakakapagbuo ng industriya,

4669
05:24:06,530 --> 05:24:08,150
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: itong fragmented coordination.

4670
05:24:09,450 --> 05:24:11,090
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ganito na ang problema ng gobyerno eh.

4671
05:24:11,650 --> 05:24:15,310
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sabog-sabog po kasi ang implementation ng gobyerno. Would you agree with me, Secretary?

4672
05:24:18,530 --> 05:24:20,670
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Hindi naman lahat ng mga

4673
05:24:20,670 --> 05:24:24,090
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: projects

4674
05:24:24,090 --> 05:24:25,410
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: and programs are ganon.

4675
05:24:27,430 --> 05:24:28,090
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But

4676
05:24:28,090 --> 05:24:32,950
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think for some projects like those by

4677
05:24:32,950 --> 05:24:37,610
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: DPWH, for example, of course, you have seen the consequences of lack

4678
05:24:37,610 --> 05:24:42,630
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: of coordination, for example, between the national government and local government. Kanina

4679
05:24:42,630 --> 05:24:45,570
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: pinag-uusapan natin yung right of way, that's one of those. So,

4680
05:24:45,590 --> 05:24:50,030
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: yun ang mga dapat maayos for efficient implementation.

4681
05:24:50,190 --> 05:24:50,711
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yes, Secretary.

4682
05:24:50,790 --> 05:24:52,030
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: At least

4683
05:24:52,030 --> 05:24:59,390
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: may admission on that part of the government po na talagang merong mga plano tayo pero walang group chat yung mga ahensya ng gobyerno. Kaya

4684
05:24:59,390 --> 05:25:02,510
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: pagdating sa implementation, kandalabo-labo na.

4685
05:25:03,130 --> 05:25:09,350
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kaya ako po natanong itong mga constraints na to. Gusto ko lang po kayo i-quote kanina about industrial policy.

4686
05:25:09,990 --> 05:25:15,790
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: We don't have to push. Industrial policy the way our neighbors did it. Ito po yung sabi niyo kanina.

4687
05:25:16,050 --> 05:25:22,530
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero ginagamit po natin madalas na benchmark yung mga kapitbahay natin na nag-implement ng industrial policy.

4688
05:25:22,790 --> 05:25:27,050
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Such as Vietnam, South Korea, Taiwan, even China.

4689
05:25:27,790 --> 05:25:34,790
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Alam niyo po, itong mga binabanggit dito, yung pinapresent niyo po ng mga persistent constraints, present po lahat to doon

4690
05:25:34,790 --> 05:25:42,590
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sa mga bansa gaya ng South Korea, Taiwan, China, Vietnam. Present po lahat yan. In fact, South Korea. South Korea was very corrupt.

4691
05:25:43,030 --> 05:25:47,690
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: One party state. Yung ibang bansa pa nga dito, one party state. Very corrupt.

4692
05:25:48,030 --> 05:25:52,530
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero hindi naging hadlang itong mga same problems that

4693
05:25:52,530 --> 05:25:58,070
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: we are facing and experiencing for them to implement industrial policy.

4694
05:25:58,860 --> 05:26:05,390
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Yan pong mga problemang yan, nalagpasan ng mga kapitbahay natin. Alam niyo po, the only difference between us and them,

4695
05:26:05,570 --> 05:26:07,350
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: sila po may ambisyon eh.

4696
05:26:08,330 --> 05:26:09,690
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Sila po may ambisyon.

4697
05:26:09,850 --> 05:26:17,990
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: They want to build. And strengthen their industrial base. Tapos ang maririnig po natin sa DepDev, eh

4698
05:26:17,990 --> 05:26:29,530
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: we don't have to push industrial policy like our neighbors. So yun po ang kaibahan. If I may encapsulate this, Mr. Chair, sa kung pa paano natin

4699
05:26:29,530 --> 05:26:34,110
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: tinitignan tong industrial policy, sa

4700
05:26:34,110 --> 05:26:37,310
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: ating economic managers po, eh tayo

4701
05:26:37,310 --> 05:26:40,090
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: walang ambisyon, unambitious po tayo eh.

4702
05:26:40,090 --> 05:26:46,190
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pagdating sa industrial policy, duwag po tayo, Sekretary, pagdating po sa industrial policy.

4703
05:26:46,650 --> 05:26:54,290
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Kasi these countries, our neighbors, South Korea, Vietnam, lagi po natin, lagi natin ginagamit na benchmark eh.

4704
05:26:54,750 --> 05:27:00,930
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And coming from you, eh parang opposed po kayo sa industrial policy. Now, how are we going to make

4705
05:27:00,930 --> 05:27:09,990
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: use of the remaining two years of the PBBM administration? No other than the President has already said that. Sabi niya, kailangan gamitin natin ang natitirang panahon.

4706
05:27:11,730 --> 05:27:15,750
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Para maglumikha ng mga trabaho, dekalidad na trabaho, better paying jobs.

4707
05:27:16,050 --> 05:27:21,030
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So how are we going to do that? Or how are we going to make use of the two years remaining in

4708
05:27:21,030 --> 05:27:22,150
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: PBBM administration?

4709
05:27:23,030 --> 05:27:27,410
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Para maging ganap ito pong mga pinag-uusapan natin about quality jobs. Mr. Chair.

4710
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair,

4711
05:27:29,890 --> 05:27:31,130
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I, with

4712
05:27:31,130 --> 05:27:32,430
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: due respect to our

4713
05:27:32,430 --> 05:27:33,850
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: honorable congressman,

4714
05:27:35,150 --> 05:27:39,430
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I disagree that we don't have an ambition for this country.

4715
05:27:40,470 --> 05:27:44,470
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: DEPDev, the former NEDA, crafted Ambisyon Natin 2040,

4716
05:27:44,710 --> 05:27:47,070
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: which would

4717
05:27:47,070 --> 05:27:48,810
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: have allowed us to

4718
05:27:48,810 --> 05:27:53,730
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: reach a high-

4719
05:27:53,730 --> 05:27:55,430
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: income country by

4720
05:27:55,430 --> 05:28:01,270
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 2040 if things were not interrupted as they

4721
05:28:01,270 --> 05:28:03,270
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: did. And we were able to do quite

4722
05:28:03,270 --> 05:28:06,750
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: well. And we did quite well in the last 15 years. As

4723
05:28:06,750 --> 05:28:08,150
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I presented earlier this morning.

4724
05:28:10,090 --> 05:28:16,130
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Moving, doing a lot of the things that we should have been doing over the last 50 years.

4725
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: So

4726
05:28:17,770 --> 05:28:20,530
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: my argument, Mr. Chair, is that

4727
05:28:20,530 --> 05:28:23,230
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: not

4728
05:28:23,230 --> 05:28:27,190
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: even industrial policy would work if

4729
05:28:27,190 --> 05:28:29,210
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you can't address the

4730
05:28:29,210 --> 05:28:29,790
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: kind of

4731
05:28:29,790 --> 05:28:33,850
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: issues, structural issues that we have. Fix the energy problem,

4732
05:28:34,170 --> 05:28:42,830
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: high energy problem. No amount of industrial policy would give you a high level of development without fixing

4733
05:28:42,830 --> 05:28:43,130
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that.

4734
05:28:44,290 --> 05:28:57,270
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Fix your roads and connectivity. Your internet that does not connect lagging areas and leading areas. Those are the kind of things that I was referring to,

4735
05:28:57,470 --> 05:28:59,170
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr.

4736
05:28:59,350 --> 05:29:06,410
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. And I completely agree with industrial policy. I do think it works, But we need to do the basic

4737
05:29:06,410 --> 05:29:08,750
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: things To do the basic things that

4738
05:29:08,750 --> 05:29:10,200
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: other countries have. done.

4739
05:29:10,850 --> 05:29:11,290
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Thank

4740
05:29:11,290 --> 05:29:12,170
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: you, Mr. Chair.

4741
05:29:12,960 --> 05:29:15,210
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: This is a question of either-or kasi, Secretary.

4742
05:29:16,030 --> 05:29:22,140
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Pero I think we can do that. We can do industrial policy, but at the same time address din itong mga problema natin.

4743
05:29:22,380 --> 05:29:26,930
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Ang hirap lang na marinig, coming from the Secretary of DEPDev, na

4744
05:29:26,930 --> 05:29:30,370
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: we don't have to do industrial policy like what our neighbors did.

4745
05:29:30,580 --> 05:29:33,980
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So very defeatist po iyan, Secretary. And sa

4746
05:29:33,980 --> 05:29:35,880
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: point, Mr. Chair, ni Secretary is that

4747
05:29:35,880 --> 05:29:36,750
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: meron namang

4748
05:29:36,750 --> 05:29:38,410
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: nagawa in the recent years.

4749
05:29:38,810 --> 05:29:43,930
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Secretary, kitang-kita naman po sa datos: we have de-industrialized.

4750
05:29:44,060 --> 05:29:52,130
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Nauubos yung manufacturing jobs natin, nauubos yung industry jobs natin. We don't have any industry for

4751
05:29:52,130 --> 05:29:55,770
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: that matter. Lahat nandun sa servisyo. Kaya nga ang trabaho na meron sa atin,

4752
05:29:55,830 --> 05:29:57,060
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: retail trade,

4753
05:29:57,360 --> 05:30:13,620
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: low-paying, elementary jobs. Kaya po, pinupush natin itong industrial policy na mapag-usapan at maipush natin sa remaining two years of the PBBM administration. Kasi po ang naririnig natin, Mr. Chair, sa mga economic managers natin, is the same old.

4754
05:30:13,980 --> 05:30:19,830
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: 30 years. Tatlong dekada na natin paulit-ulit ginagawa yung palpak na

4755
05:30:19,830 --> 05:30:25,010
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: development model natin, Mr. Chair. Just, I'm winding up, Mr. Chair.

4756
05:30:26,580 --> 05:30:28,600
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: Even the World Bank has

4757
05:30:28,600 --> 05:30:33,220
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: already admitted that the neoliberal economic framework has failed.

4758
05:30:33,850 --> 05:30:35,490
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: And yet we are doing the same.

4759
05:30:36,070 --> 05:30:41,450
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So yun po ang punto ko dito, Mr. Chair, Secretary. Maybe it is high time to

4760
05:30:41,450 --> 05:30:50,230
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: push for meaningful reforms. Maybe it is high time for us to discuss and really take industrial policy very seriously.

4761
05:30:50,840 --> 05:30:53,120
Rep. Elijah Rumbaoa San Fernando: So, yun po, Mr. Chair, maraming salamat.

4762
05:30:53,130 --> 05:30:54,830
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Maraming salamat, Kong Elijah.

4763
05:30:55,430 --> 05:30:57,890
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: SecRC, please briefly reply.

4764
05:30:58,720 --> 05:30:59,440
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I

4765
05:30:59,440 --> 05:31:01,200
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think I've done my share,

4766
05:31:01,520 --> 05:31:02,340
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr.

4767
05:31:02,420 --> 05:31:02,660
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair.

4768
05:31:02,860 --> 05:31:07,760
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I always, our honorable congressman, would

4769
05:31:07,760 --> 05:31:10,840
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: bother to look at the Philippine Development Plan.

4770
05:31:11,120 --> 05:31:12,660
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And essentially, you

4771
05:31:12,660 --> 05:31:14,440
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: can see industrial policy there.

4772
05:31:14,780 --> 05:31:15,500
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And

4773
05:31:15,500 --> 05:31:16,420
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: also

4774
05:31:16,420 --> 05:31:22,100
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: look at even the updated Philippine Development Plan.

4775
05:31:22,900 --> 05:31:25,620
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: It's very clear there what our...

4776
05:31:25,620 --> 05:31:28,840
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Our program

4777
05:31:28,840 --> 05:31:32,260
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for the country. And I, as

4778
05:31:32,260 --> 05:31:36,440
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we have seen, we look at the data, Mr.

4779
05:31:36,500 --> 05:31:47,980
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair, we have done quite well in the last 15 years. No less than the World Bank. All the mother agents, important development agencies, have

4780
05:31:47,980 --> 05:31:51,260
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: commended the country for a

4781
05:31:51,260 --> 05:31:53,520
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: major transition. That

4782
05:31:53,520 --> 05:31:54,340
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: was not possible in the

4783
05:31:55,620 --> 05:31:58,480
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: two, three decades before that. So,

4784
05:31:58,540 --> 05:32:01,780
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: let's not undermine our ability to also

4785
05:32:01,780 --> 05:32:02,180
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: grow.

4786
05:32:02,500 --> 05:32:03,360
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think

4787
05:32:03,360 --> 05:32:13,940
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: what we needed to do to sustain the momentum, I stressed that that morning. To sustain the momentum, but to argue that we are not doing it and we have not been

4788
05:32:13,940 --> 05:32:16,660
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: moving the country, I think that's so unfair.

4789
05:32:17,400 --> 05:32:19,040
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: The evidence is very clear.

4790
05:32:20,120 --> 05:32:21,940
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I end my case, Mr. Chair.

4791
05:32:22,320 --> 05:32:24,560
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, SecRC.

4792
05:32:25,780 --> 05:32:26,640
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Madam Chair.

4793
05:32:27,040 --> 05:32:35,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Senior Vice Chair Albert Garcia. Next to interpellate for the second round is our Senior Vice Chair Albert Garcia. You are recognized,

4794
05:32:35,940 --> 05:32:36,260
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: SPC.

4795
05:32:36,420 --> 05:32:42,300
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Just a few quick questions. Hindi umabot kanina sa time limit.

4796
05:32:42,460 --> 05:32:44,500
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, I'll try to breeze through it

4797
05:32:44,500 --> 05:32:46,700
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: dito sa second round.

4798
05:32:47,000 --> 05:32:51,840
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: First of all, if you watch the Blue Ribbon Committee hearing

4799
05:32:51,840 --> 05:32:58,480
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: on the ghost projects ng flood control, sinabi, when the DBM was asked,

4800
05:32:58,680 --> 05:33:07,980
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: ano yung mga pwedeng remedies para hindi na maulit ito? And one of the important things na binanggit is that yung bottoms-up budgeting.

4801
05:33:08,540 --> 05:33:13,760
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kasi kung demand-driven and from the local level or the ground, yung identification,

4802
05:33:15,280 --> 05:33:17,620
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: malabo maging ghost project po ito

4803
05:33:17,620 --> 05:33:22,520
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: dahil aabangan po ito nung mga nag-request dahil solution sa problema nila.

4804
05:33:22,740 --> 05:33:30,020
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So, and this is what a lot of our representatives, did for the 2027 budget.

4805
05:33:31,180 --> 05:33:37,920
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Sumunod sila sa PIP, PIPOL, AIP, PDC, RDC.

4806
05:33:38,640 --> 05:33:40,200
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pero paglabas nung NEP,

4807
05:33:40,320 --> 05:33:53,000
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: parang hindi na-consider or very, very minimal yung na-consider. Dapat din natin isipin na itong mga bagay nito ay trabaho ng congressman, ng

4808
05:33:53,000 --> 05:33:56,760
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: representative based on the constitution. As the direct

4809
05:33:56,760 --> 05:33:59,460
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: representative of the people.

4810
05:34:00,100 --> 05:34:26,940
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: That's why all appropriations measures like the budget emanates from the house as a direct representative of the people. So, dahil sa nangyari na ito, hindi na-represent yung mga kailangan nung distrito or nung mga barangay at mga munisipyo. So, may we hear a response from the chair of the DBC? Kay Sec.

4811
05:34:27,160 --> 05:34:27,780
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kim?

4812
05:34:28,420 --> 05:34:40,040
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, it's an observation that we also share. At kaya nga po nung aming dinideliberate yung mga proyekto sa 2027 NEP,

4813
05:34:40,180 --> 05:34:43,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: talaga pong nag-zero-in kami doon sa mismong proseso.

4814
05:34:43,980 --> 05:34:48,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kasi sabi nga po namin, mababaliwala yung mga RDC review

4815
05:34:48,500 --> 05:34:52,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: process na talaga naman pong binubuhusan ng oras, panahon at talento,

4816
05:34:52,860 --> 05:34:55,601
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kung hindi naman po mako-consider na Sa ito.

4817
05:34:55,940 --> 05:35:01,880
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: deliberation. Ang limitasyon nga lang po, Madam Chair, your honor,

4818
05:35:02,080 --> 05:35:04,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: is that doon sa existing process,

4819
05:35:04,740 --> 05:35:09,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ang huli po kasing submission ay yung agency central office pa rin.

4820
05:35:09,880 --> 05:35:15,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Kaya nga po kami ay nag-one step back at ngayon, gaya po nang nabanggit namin kanina,

4821
05:35:15,260 --> 05:35:21,320
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: palakasin po talaga namin yung interconnectivity nung people system, nung RDC endorsement,

4822
05:35:21,420 --> 05:35:26,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: even nung aming budget proposal submission system. Para

4823
05:35:26,340 --> 05:35:28,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po, isa lang po dapat yung flow.

4824
05:35:28,640 --> 05:35:32,580
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Hindi po maraming pinanggagalingan ng mga proposal para

4825
05:35:32,580 --> 05:35:44,180
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mas madali po nating matutukan ano ba yung talagang nanggaling mula sa local development council, papanik ng RDC, papanik ng agency central office bago pumunta po sa amin sa

4826
05:35:44,180 --> 05:35:50,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DBM. So hindi po kami dapat matapos lang doon sa may Form C at saka Form D na

4827
05:35:50,000 --> 05:35:57,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: maaaring makita ng iba na pwedeng compliance. Kundi talagang tututukan po natin. And this is a commitment we're working with DepDEP

4828
05:35:57,860 --> 05:36:01,680
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kasi isa po itong mahalagang commitment din ng ating pamahalaan,

4829
05:36:01,700 --> 05:36:08,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung improving plan, investment, programming, planning, budgeting linkage doon po sa ating medium term

4830
05:36:08,400 --> 05:36:15,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: PFM reform road map. So ang target po talaga natin dito is we can do something including yun

4831
05:36:15,480 --> 05:36:17,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pong pagsabay

4832
05:36:17,460 --> 05:36:26,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: doon sa local budgeting calendar and local planning calendar para wala pong mahuhulog along the way doon po sa prosesong iyon. Your Honor, Madam Chair.

4833
05:36:26,980 --> 05:36:32,100
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Secretary Kim. And I hope with the efforts ng DBCC and

4834
05:36:32,100 --> 05:36:32,480
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the

4835
05:36:32,480 --> 05:36:37,180
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: passage of the budget code, sana maayos na talaga ito,

4836
05:36:37,260 --> 05:36:40,820
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: so that the representatives can really represent

4837
05:36:41,800 --> 05:36:42,540
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the people

4838
05:36:42,540 --> 05:36:44,460
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: pagdating sa national budget

4839
05:36:44,460 --> 05:36:48,340
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: in addressing their needs and their needs of the locality.

4840
05:36:48,640 --> 05:36:56,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And we acknowledge your honor's assistance as well in championing the Philippine budget code. In Congress, maraming salamat po.

4841
05:36:56,540 --> 05:36:58,720
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Sec. Kim. Next question,

4842
05:36:58,980 --> 05:37:01,080
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: sinabi

4843
05:37:01,080 --> 05:37:06,280
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: ni Charlie Munger, if you know him, yung partner SecDec ni Warren Buffett.

4844
05:37:06,840 --> 05:37:10,980
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Very wise man. Show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome.

4845
05:37:11,540 --> 05:37:34,920
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So this has a lot to do with meritocracy. And in the former life of SecDec, he was a very successful individual in the private sector. And I'm sure, hindi magiging successful kung walang meritocracy. So in government, do we have a very effective system of meritocracy?

4846
05:37:37,110 --> 05:37:42,310
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Mr. Chair, Your Honor, aside from the usual principles of meritocracy in appointment,

4847
05:37:42,730 --> 05:37:50,930
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kami po sa DBM, meron po tayong minomonitor ng mga indicators under the PREXI system.

4848
05:37:51,450 --> 05:37:55,750
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Bagamat ito nga po ay kabilang din sa DBM. Dapat na rin po nating

4849
05:37:55,750 --> 05:37:57,270
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: tignan muli

4850
05:37:57,270 --> 05:37:59,530
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to check whether ito

4851
05:37:59,530 --> 05:38:04,690
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po ay nananatiling effective in pushing our agencies to perform better. In

4852
05:38:04,690 --> 05:38:13,470
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fact, sa atin pong pagkasagawa ng mid-year and year-end performance review ng bawat ahensya. So may mga metrics po tayong ginagamit.

4853
05:38:13,530 --> 05:38:19,750
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But there is actually a technical working group right now, Your Honor, Madam Chair, na

4854
05:38:19,750 --> 05:38:33,950
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: binoo under EO61, precisely para tignan muli itong mga metrics. So may mga parameters or principles na ginagamit natin to assess agency performance. Dati po, ito po yung kilala, Your Honor, Madam Chair,

4855
05:38:34,170 --> 05:38:46,690
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: na dating RBPMS. O ito po yung nakakabit po dun sa performance-based bonus. So nire-revisit po ngayon ng EO61 Technical Working Group kung yung metrics or parameters na

4856
05:38:46,690 --> 05:38:55,550
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: ginagamit po doon ay akma pa o kailangan po nating mag-introduce ng pagbabago to be recommended to the President by the Technical Working Group. Your Honor.

4857
05:38:56,130 --> 05:38:58,890
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. If possible, Madam Chair,

4858
05:38:59,150 --> 05:39:07,010
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: may we coordinate with the Technical Working Group because there's some initiative in the House to really unify and

4859
05:39:07,010 --> 05:39:08,470
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: align and

4860
05:39:08,470 --> 05:39:18,490
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: institute a clear system of meritocracy for the national and local governments and all the instrumentalities. So kung pwedeng mag

4861
05:39:18,510 --> 05:39:22,810
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Definitely, Your Honor, bahagi po ang DBM ng EO61 Technical Working Group.

4862
05:39:22,850 --> 05:39:23,770
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you. And

4863
05:39:23,770 --> 05:39:25,470
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: very,

4864
05:39:25,570 --> 05:39:26,110
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: very quickly,

4865
05:39:26,250 --> 05:39:28,050
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: as

4866
05:39:28,050 --> 05:39:29,350
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: an observation,

4867
05:39:30,050 --> 05:39:34,750
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: palaki ng palaki yung ating population, yung ating bansa, at yung ating gobyerno.

4868
05:39:34,950 --> 05:39:48,310
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And kung sumobra na yung laki, sometimes there are a lot of inefficiencies. And minsan, ang ginagawa ng ating national government is to centralize more.

4869
05:39:48,870 --> 05:39:51,530
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Kung minsan, top-heavy na po. So

4870
05:39:51,530 --> 05:39:54,210
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: just like what we did with CreateMore,

4871
05:39:54,450 --> 05:40:24,970
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: ni-rationalize natin yung fiscal and non-fiscal incentives. Ginawa nating one-size-fits-all para rationalize. But the world doesn't work that way. It's a very competitive world out there. Pero pinasa pa rin natin, again, some of the recommendations of the investment promotion agencies na sila yung frontliner pagdating sa pag-attract ng investment. So I'd like to ask, how did it work for us, ito pong CreateMore?

4872
05:40:28,020 --> 05:40:30,960
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Mr. Chair, I actually want to,

4873
05:40:30,960 --> 05:40:35,280
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: if I may rephrase,

4874
05:40:35,460 --> 05:40:37,280
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I'm

4875
05:40:37,280 --> 05:40:41,940
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: not sure it's not called rephrase. I need to, I think, correct the term.

4876
05:40:42,180 --> 05:40:44,480
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The problem was created by Create.

4877
05:40:44,700 --> 05:40:46,580
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So we created CreateMore.

4878
05:40:46,880 --> 05:40:49,800
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So CreateMore solved the problems of Create.

4879
05:40:50,400 --> 05:40:57,000
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Because Create centralized the approval among all the investment promotion agencies into the Fiscal Incentives Review Board.

4880
05:40:57,160 --> 05:40:59,780
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: In CreateMore, we devolved it again.

4881
05:41:00,780 --> 05:41:03,440
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So CreateMore solved the problems of Create.

4882
05:41:03,980 --> 05:41:05,960
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Devolved up to a certain limit po.

4883
05:41:06,040 --> 05:41:07,160
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, that's right.

4884
05:41:07,340 --> 05:41:07,820
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Pero still,

4885
05:41:08,080 --> 05:41:11,780
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: when it's a huge investment, centralized pa rin.

4886
05:41:11,840 --> 05:41:12,160
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes.

4887
05:41:12,240 --> 05:41:13,360
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Plus yung incentives,

4888
05:41:13,840 --> 05:41:15,940
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: one-size-fits-all pa rin.

4889
05:41:16,580 --> 05:41:21,280
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: No, no. If I may correct that also as well, Mr. Chair.

4890
05:41:21,280 --> 05:41:21,680
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yes, please.

4891
05:41:21,680 --> 05:41:29,380
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The incentives in Create, the investor has a choice. He can avail of the Special Corporate Income Tax, the

4892
05:41:29,380 --> 05:41:32,400
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: so-called SCIT or 5% of gross income earned.

4893
05:41:32,600 --> 05:41:35,360
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Or he can avail of the Enhanced Deduction Regime,

4894
05:41:35,480 --> 05:41:36,560
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the EDD.

4895
05:41:37,680 --> 05:41:41,920
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it's not a one-size-fits-all. The investor can actually choose.

4896
05:41:43,160 --> 05:41:44,680
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Secondly also, the

4897
05:41:44,680 --> 05:41:50,720
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: investments are also controlled. Customizable, if your investment is over 50 billion pesos,

4898
05:41:51,040 --> 05:41:53,780
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: you can customize it,

4899
05:41:53,920 --> 05:41:58,060
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: which we did with Samsung. When

4900
05:41:58,060 --> 05:42:00,060
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Samsung applied

4901
05:42:00,060 --> 05:42:05,500
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for an investment of a 50 billion multi-layer ceramic capacitor factory in Laguna,

4902
05:42:05,660 --> 05:42:08,400
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we approved a customized

4903
05:42:08,400 --> 05:42:11,980
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: package for him because his investment was over 50 billion pesos.

4904
05:42:12,280 --> 05:42:17,840
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it's not one-size-fits-all. I really think that Create more solved the problems of Create.

4905
05:42:18,000 --> 05:42:20,800
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And also, when you talk about the threshold that

4906
05:42:20,800 --> 05:42:29,160
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: goes up to FIRB, I think that's probably 5%. That means 95%, the Investment Promotion Agency can approve 90

4907
05:42:29,360 --> 05:42:30,720
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: to 95% of all

4908
05:42:30,720 --> 05:42:34,400
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: applications that go through them. And only 5% to 10% go up.

4909
05:42:34,580 --> 05:42:36,320
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So whoever said that,

4910
05:42:36,500 --> 05:42:40,180
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I will challenge him in front of you anytime, any day.

4911
05:42:41,920 --> 05:42:46,160
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, SecDec. Thank you, SecDec, for that answer. Pero the fact remains,

4912
05:42:46,520 --> 05:42:51,660
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: after we passed Create more, lumaki ba yung ating FDI?

4913
05:42:52,000 --> 05:42:59,660
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Yes, yes. As a matter of fact, in 2024 and in 2025, the registered investments in all IPAs went

4914
05:42:59,660 --> 05:43:07,080
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: over 1.9 trillion pesos. That's first in our history. All the registered investments in all our IPAs has

4915
05:43:07,080 --> 05:43:12,980
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: never been anywhere close to that. So in 2024 and 2025, 1.9 trillion pesos.

4916
05:43:13,680 --> 05:43:14,680
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Got registered.

4917
05:43:15,100 --> 05:43:18,500
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Relative to our neighbors in the ASEAN.

4918
05:43:18,740 --> 05:43:20,600
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We're behind. Yun nga.

4919
05:43:20,740 --> 05:43:21,400
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Yun nga.

4920
05:43:22,180 --> 05:43:22,740
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But

4921
05:43:22,740 --> 05:43:28,900
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Create more brought it up from wherever it used to be. Probably 1.1 trillion, 1 trillion.

4922
05:43:29,920 --> 05:43:34,760
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it jumped to 1.9 trillion. But yes, I will accept that we're

4923
05:43:34,760 --> 05:43:37,560
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: far behind our neighbors, which is why we

4924
05:43:37,560 --> 05:43:39,880
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: really had to correct Create.

4925
05:43:40,200 --> 05:43:42,500
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Because Create really made

4926
05:43:42,500 --> 05:43:42,920
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: it work.

4927
05:43:44,440 --> 05:43:45,800
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, SecDec.

4928
05:43:45,960 --> 05:43:50,660
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Tapos another example na nag-centralize na naman po tayo is

4929
05:43:50,660 --> 05:43:51,680
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: with the PPP code.

4930
05:43:52,560 --> 05:43:56,500
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Before the code was passed, ang daming PPP on the local level.

4931
05:43:56,920 --> 05:44:19,820
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: And in the local government code, I think we discussed this one time, SecDec. Local government code, may corporate powers yung mga local government units. Pero dahil sin-centralize na naman, very stringent. And I want to know, bottom line, after the passage of the code, did we end up with more PPPs or wala?

4932
05:44:21,160 --> 05:44:23,380
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Can we ask the dev-dev?

4933
05:44:25,530 --> 05:44:30,850
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We have here, Mr. Chair, we have here the Chair of the Executive

4934
05:44:30,850 --> 05:44:34,490
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Director of the Philippine PPP

4935
05:44:34,490 --> 05:44:37,210
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Center.

4936
05:44:38,430 --> 05:44:38,990
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr.

4937
05:44:39,430 --> 05:44:41,510
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair. And she has the data. And

4938
05:44:41,510 --> 05:44:45,070
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: PPPs undertaken

4939
05:44:45,070 --> 05:44:46,190
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: by the LGUs.

4940
05:44:48,940 --> 05:44:53,160
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: Yes, hello. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just to respond to the question.

4941
05:44:54,520 --> 05:45:06,760
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: Yes, we did receive a lot of PPP proposals for local government units. As a matter of fact, just for the first six months of this year, I think we received

4942
05:45:06,760 --> 05:45:10,380
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: about 50 unsolicited proposals for LGUs.

4943
05:45:11,900 --> 05:45:14,220
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: How many were consummated?

4944
05:45:16,360 --> 05:45:26,400
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: These proposals are undergoing different stages of review and negotiation which are actually being done by the local government units.

4945
05:45:27,640 --> 05:45:31,680
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So before the code, when I was governor, ang dami namin PPP.

4946
05:45:32,300 --> 05:45:34,660
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Ngayon, parang

4947
05:45:34,660 --> 05:45:40,340
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: nahihirapan sa process as was discussed before with the SecDec. So

4948
05:45:40,340 --> 05:45:40,660
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I

4949
05:45:40,660 --> 05:45:52,720
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: guess we have to review our policies. Maybe we have to decentralize a little bit. In some countries that grew very, very fast, they decentralized economic powers as well.

4950
05:45:53,340 --> 05:46:05,880
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: So I think we have to look at that if we want to grow our economy very, very fast while we are at our demographic sweet spot. Kasi pag wala na yun, baka

4951
05:46:05,880 --> 05:46:09,800
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: wala na tayong growth. We have missed our boat. Thank you. Yes, ma'am.

4952
05:46:09,840 --> 05:46:19,100
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: Yes, Mr. Chair. If I may address that: actually, the review, negotiation, and approval power for PPPs in LGUs are decentralized.

4953
05:46:20,080 --> 05:46:29,680
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: These are actually being done at the LGU level. What has been centralized are the requirements that need to be passed to

4954
05:46:29,680 --> 05:46:32,600
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: the PPP center for the completeness check.

4955
05:46:32,840 --> 05:46:40,105
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: The intention of that is actually to make sure that we have that. That competitive level

4956
05:46:40,105 --> 05:46:46,700
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: among the proponents and among LGUs across all sectors. But the review,

4957
05:46:46,960 --> 05:46:51,420
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: negotiation, and approval remains to be at the LGU level.

4958
05:46:52,440 --> 05:47:00,560
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair. Pero up to now, walang bagong consummated PPP contract.

4959
05:47:01,100 --> 05:47:09,620
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: Sorry, if I may just correct myself. In the first quarter of this year, we have awarded three local PPP contracts.

4960
05:47:10,540 --> 05:47:17,440
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Can we compare that with the pre-PPP code era?

4961
05:47:18,200 --> 05:47:23,700
PPP Center Executive Director Rizza Blanco-Latorre: I just don't have the data at the moment, Mr. Chair, but we are committing to submit that.

4962
05:47:24,260 --> 05:47:27,760
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you, Madam Chair. Maraming salamat po sa ating PPP center.

4963
05:47:28,960 --> 05:47:38,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you. SVC Albert Garcia will now move to the next interpellator for the second round. From the minority, Representative Sarah Elago.

4964
05:47:47,470 --> 05:47:53,230
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Madam Chair. Manghihingi lang po ako unang-una nung report ng GAD compliance ng

4965
05:47:53,230 --> 05:47:57,870
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mga agencies natin. Kung kasama po ang DBM sa nag

4966
05:47:57,870 --> 05:47:59,950
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: -check ng proper

4967
05:47:59,950 --> 05:48:02,550
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: utilization ng Gender and Development Fund.

4968
05:48:03,130 --> 05:48:05,130
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Para po ba sa 2025,

4969
05:48:06,690 --> 05:48:07,930
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: magkano po yung

4970
05:48:07,930 --> 05:48:11,830
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: buong nagamit para sa gender and development ng

4971
05:48:11,830 --> 05:48:12,990
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ating mga agencies?

4972
05:48:15,270 --> 05:48:23,050
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor. Unfortunately, we don't have the figure with us right now, but we will coordinate with the Philippine Commission on Women so

4973
05:48:23,050 --> 05:48:27,230
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that we can get the data and submit to Your Honor through the Committee on Appropriation.

4974
05:48:28,650 --> 05:48:29,150
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes,

4975
05:48:29,150 --> 05:48:32,510
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: maraming salamat, Madam Chair. At hihingin din po natin yung,

4976
05:48:32,510 --> 05:48:36,350
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: hindi lang yung submission, pero kung meron na po kayong assessment,

4977
05:48:36,710 --> 05:48:38,430
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kung paano

4978
05:48:38,430 --> 05:48:41,550
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nagagamit ng mga agencies bilang hindi po hiwalay

4979
05:48:41,550 --> 05:48:44,030
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na expenses,

4980
05:48:44,030 --> 05:48:52,490
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: expenditure, pero kung paano nila natitiyak na sa bawat programa, sa bawat aktibidad, sa bawat proyekto ay meron tayong

4981
05:48:52,490 --> 05:49:04,370
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nakikita at pagkilala sa halaga ng pantay na karapatan ng bawat isa at paglama din sa diskriminasyon. Hindi lang po sa kababaihan, pero sa kahit saan man, or kahit

4982
05:49:04,370 --> 05:49:06,090
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ano man na kasarihan.

4983
05:49:06,690 --> 05:49:10,270
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngayon, Madam Chair, gusto ko lang pong humingi

4984
05:49:10,270 --> 05:49:16,230
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng clarification mula sa DepDev, dun sa binanggit nila kanina na figures ng poverty

4985
05:49:16,230 --> 05:49:22,130
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: threshold. Ang sabi po nila kanina for NCR, meron tayong 16,842 pesos.

4986
05:49:22,770 --> 05:49:26,490
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At sa labas ng NCR, 14,634.

4987
05:49:27,010 --> 05:49:31,030
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At kung titignan yung daily sa

4988
05:49:31,030 --> 05:49:33,490
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: NCR, ang sabi nila kanina 554.

4989
05:49:33,930 --> 05:49:41,330
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ngunit kung idedivide po yung figure na binigay nila monthly, nasa 561 pesos po ito, mas mataas.

4990
05:49:42,210 --> 05:49:44,110
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At kung sa outside NCR,

4991
05:49:44,410 --> 05:49:48,490
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nasa 488 pesos. Pwede po ba itong makumpirma ng DepDev?

4992
05:49:55,970 --> 05:50:02,570
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ang divisor na ginagamit natin is 30.4 days. Sa average,

4993
05:50:02,590 --> 05:50:04,730
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 30

4994
05:50:06,360 --> 05:50:09,080
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: .4 days per month ang

4995
05:50:09,080 --> 05:50:10,280
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: average na ginagamit.

4996
05:50:11,340 --> 05:50:13,680
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: 30.4 days.

4997
05:50:14,360 --> 05:50:15,000
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Okay,

4998
05:50:15,100 --> 05:50:17,040
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: so tama po kanina yung 554.

4999
05:50:17,900 --> 05:50:20,940
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Okay. At sa labas po ng NCR,

5000
05:50:21,160 --> 05:50:23,900
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: nasa 460, 470 plus.

5001
05:50:24,580 --> 05:50:25,180
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At

5002
05:50:25,180 --> 05:50:26,400
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: natanong ko ito ulit,

5003
05:50:26,400 --> 05:50:28,440
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Madam

5004
05:50:28,440 --> 05:50:29,740
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Chair, dahil kung

5005
05:50:29,740 --> 05:50:37,640
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: titignan natin yung pamantayan ng poverty threshold na binanggit sa atin ng DepDev,

5006
05:50:37,780 --> 05:50:40,820
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: meron po tayong isa,

5007
05:50:40,820 --> 05:50:42,860
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: dalawa, tatlo, apat, lima,

5008
05:50:42,860 --> 05:50:46,040
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: anim at pito na mga regyon

5009
05:50:46,420 --> 05:50:50,800
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na ang mga minimum wage po. Ay nasa ilalim na ng poverty threshold.

5010
05:50:51,780 --> 05:50:53,980
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya ho, concerning, dahil

5011
05:50:53,980 --> 05:50:57,680
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ibig sabihin nito, Madam Chair, hindi na lang talaga sapat

5012
05:50:57,680 --> 05:50:58,580
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: na isa

5013
05:50:58,580 --> 05:51:00,280
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: yung kumikita sa

5014
05:51:00,280 --> 05:51:03,520
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kada pamilya para masuportahan yung

5015
05:51:03,520 --> 05:51:05,360
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: family of five. Kaya ho,

5016
05:51:05,440 --> 05:51:10,480
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: isa rin ito sa mga dahilan kung bakit dito sa Kongreso, nagsusulong tayo

5017
05:51:10,480 --> 05:51:12,200
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ng pag

5018
05:51:12,200 --> 05:51:15,880
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: -aaral sa pagpapatupad ng isang national

5019
05:51:15,880 --> 05:51:17,920
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: minimum wage system. At

5020
05:51:17,920 --> 05:51:21,040
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kung paano rin mapapababa yung presyo ng mga bilihin.

5021
05:51:21,280 --> 05:51:26,980
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Nabanggit na rin ho kanina yung iba't ibang mga proposals para tanggalin yung value-added tax.

5022
05:51:27,360 --> 05:51:33,140
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Dahil patong-patong yung VAT sa pagkain, sa kuryente, sa langis at

5023
05:51:33,140 --> 05:51:36,380
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mga batayang pangailangan ng ating mga kababayan.

5024
05:51:36,780 --> 05:51:45,160
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kaya gusto rin ho natin hinga ng update ang DOF. Matagal na rin po natin na pinopropose sa kanila na ma

5025
05:51:45,160 --> 05:51:53,700
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: -review yung suspension. O pagbaba man lang ng value-added tax. Bilang dagdag pa dun sa current

5026
05:51:53,700 --> 05:51:56,720
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: powers na ng President na pwede

5027
05:51:56,720 --> 05:51:59,780
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: silang mag-suspend, mag-reduce ng excise tax sa oil.

5028
05:52:00,340 --> 05:52:06,620
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Marami hong nagsasabi rin sa atin na hindi sapat na bawasan yung excise tax sa LPG at kerosene.

5029
05:52:06,760 --> 05:52:11,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kung pwedeng bawasan o suspindihin na rin yung excise tax sa

5030
05:52:11,320 --> 05:52:20,420
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: diesel at sa iba pang mga petroleum products. At kung maaari nararapat lang sa hirap ng buhay ngayon, mababa nga yung sahod, mataas ang presyo ng bilihin,

5031
05:52:20,500 --> 05:52:36,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: dagdag pa po ang mga sunod-sunod na calamities, ay tingnan na rin, suriin na rin yung pagtanggal mismo sa value-added tax. Meron na po bang update mula sa DOF ng inyong proposal sa uplift? Napag-uusapan ho ba ito?

5032
05:52:36,660 --> 05:52:48,600
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: At ano ho yung plano natin for the next months? Lalong-lalo na may mga reported din po na, na windfall revenues ng government from VAT collection sa oil and petroleum products?

5033
05:52:52,660 --> 05:52:54,900
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Madam Chair, Your Honor,

5034
05:52:55,240 --> 05:52:56,580
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I

5035
05:52:56,580 --> 05:52:59,820
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: mentioned it earlier that

5036
05:52:59,820 --> 05:53:02,580
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: my categorical position on any tax

5037
05:53:02,580 --> 05:53:06,700
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: removal is I'm not opposed to any tax removal

5038
05:53:07,360 --> 05:53:11,100
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: for as long as a replacement revenue source is identified.

5039
05:53:12,800 --> 05:53:13,560
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I

5040
05:53:13,560 --> 05:53:15,080
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: am neutral to

5041
05:53:15,080 --> 05:53:17,320
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: all the tax removals. But we

5042
05:53:17,320 --> 05:53:24,400
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: do have a national expenditure budget of 7.2 trillion, which we have to fund.

5043
05:53:24,620 --> 05:53:28,120
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So if we remove any tax measure,

5044
05:53:28,580 --> 05:53:31,940
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: the request is that

5045
05:53:31,940 --> 05:53:32,580
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your

5046
05:53:32,580 --> 05:53:35,160
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Honor identify another tax

5047
05:53:35,160 --> 05:53:36,040
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: source.

5048
05:53:36,500 --> 05:53:37,180
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But

5049
05:53:37,180 --> 05:53:40,080
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I'll tackle VAT in particular.

5050
05:53:40,980 --> 05:53:47,960
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Our VAT rate is actually 12 percent. But our effective rate... VAT rate is only half. It's only six.

5051
05:53:48,440 --> 05:53:52,140
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Because there are so many exemptions on VAT.

5052
05:53:53,440 --> 05:54:00,480
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I will not name them, but the list is very long for all the exemptions. So our real effective VAT rate is actually only half.

5053
05:54:02,960 --> 05:54:03,880
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: And the

5054
05:54:03,880 --> 05:54:07,240
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: discussion always in the

5055
05:54:07,240 --> 05:54:24,720
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: DBCC, which was the entity that made the recommendation for which taxes to remove, was similar. If we remove this revenue source, what would the replacement be? Or at what expense to government services,

5056
05:54:25,440 --> 05:54:26,180
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: ayuda,

5057
05:54:26,620 --> 05:54:28,900
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: infrastructure, classrooms,

5058
05:54:29,220 --> 05:54:30,620
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: etc.?

5059
05:54:30,620 --> 05:54:31,800
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Yes, Madam Chair.

5060
05:54:32,020 --> 05:54:34,720
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Parehong question sa DOF.

5061
05:54:34,780 --> 05:54:38,600
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Kasi natanong po natin nung sila ay nagpunta dito para mag-present.

5062
05:54:39,020 --> 05:54:41,700
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Maganda naman na meron tayong MCIT

5063
05:54:41,700 --> 05:54:46,980
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: exemption, meron din tayong pagtataas ng personal income tax exemption

5064
05:54:46,980 --> 05:54:48,560
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: to P350,000.

5065
05:54:49,720 --> 05:55:08,120
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Samantalang, nandyan din yung mga revenue generating reforms from the e-cigarettes, novel tobacco, excise tax on plastics, increase and expansion of sweet and beverage taxes, excise tax on alcohol, ano. Pero ang hinanap po namin, paano naman yung mga sobrang-sobrang yaman, yung

5066
05:55:08,120 --> 05:55:21,103
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mga super-bilyonaryo? Meron ba kayong mga proposals, no, galing mismo sa inyo, no? Kasi kayo nga yung pinaka-nakakakita sa ngayon ng [unclear] na kalagayan ng ating bayan. At napakatindi na talaga ng

5067
05:55:21,103 --> 05:55:30,820
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: layo yung agwat ng sobrang-sobrang yaman, mga bilyonaryo, doon sa mga pinakamahihirap nating mga kababayan. Kaya ho, ayun na lang yung

5068
05:55:31,180 --> 05:55:39,420
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: katanungan ko, Madam Chair, no. Bagama't meron tayong mga relief, no, measures na sinabi ko na rin po, 350,000 is just an

5069
05:55:39,420 --> 05:55:40,660
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: inflation

5070
05:55:40,660 --> 05:55:41,720
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: -adjusted

5071
05:55:41,720 --> 05:55:43,100
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: um, value, no.

5072
05:55:43,100 --> 05:55:44,880
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ah, hindi talaga

5073
05:55:44,880 --> 05:55:47,280
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: ito yung parang mas malaki pa, no, substantially

5074
05:55:47,280 --> 05:55:51,180
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: um, helpful, no, na relief sa ating mga kababayan

5075
05:55:51,180 --> 05:55:53,920
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: pero sana naman, ah, pag-isipan din ho natin

5076
05:55:53,920 --> 05:55:54,640
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: kung paano

5077
05:55:54,640 --> 05:55:57,740
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mapapasan din ng mga sobrang-sobrang yaman

5078
05:55:57,740 --> 05:56:02,280
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: at mga malalaking korporasyon yung kinakailangan na

5079
05:56:02,280 --> 05:56:08,540
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: mabuo natin na revenues for health, education, agriculture and social services.

5080
05:56:08,860 --> 05:56:10,060
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Ayun lang, Madam Chair.

5081
05:56:11,860 --> 05:56:13,540
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Madam Chair, can I answer?

5082
05:56:13,900 --> 05:56:15,340
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Go ahead po.

5083
05:56:15,340 --> 05:56:17,900
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, it is in the Progress Bill.

5084
05:56:19,380 --> 05:56:22,000
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: There are several tax

5085
05:56:22,000 --> 05:56:23,940
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: measures there that

5086
05:56:23,940 --> 05:56:30,300
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: cover exactly what you said. For example, we were proposing a higher tax for automobiles in the luxury segment.

5087
05:56:30,800 --> 05:56:34,020
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: There's also a proposal to tax private planes.

5088
05:56:34,780 --> 05:56:36,880
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: There's also a measure to...

5089
05:56:39,960 --> 05:56:47,580
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: GMT. We also have this global minimum tax that we want to tax the global multinationals that are doing operations in our country.

5090
05:56:47,740 --> 05:56:49,420
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So it's there. A

5091
05:56:49,420 --> 05:56:50,240
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: short answer.

5092
05:56:52,260 --> 05:56:54,980
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: What about, Madam Chair, the billionaire's tax?

5093
05:56:55,840 --> 05:56:56,080
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: We

5094
05:56:56,080 --> 05:56:56,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: have

5095
05:56:56,320 --> 05:56:57,771
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: a lot here. We

5096
05:56:57,771 --> 05:57:01,580
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: haven't filed any yet, in particular. But there

5097
05:57:01,580 --> 05:57:05,220
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: are proposals here that we are currently studying.

5098
05:57:05,260 --> 05:57:07,320
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: Each one has

5099
05:57:07,320 --> 05:57:10,440
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: 1 billion taxable income. There's an increase of 1

5100
05:57:11,020 --> 05:57:13,000
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: contribution.

5101
05:57:15,810 --> 05:57:19,910
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think that we can continue that discussion internally.

5102
05:57:21,450 --> 05:57:24,270
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: But I think the global

5103
05:57:24,270 --> 05:57:26,330
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: standard for that is...

5104
05:57:27,490 --> 05:57:29,630
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Well, we will study that internally.

5105
05:57:30,990 --> 05:57:32,810
Rep. Sarah Jane I. Elago: That's all for now, Madam Chair. Thank you very much.

5106
05:57:33,430 --> 05:57:35,330
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Representative Elago.

5107
05:57:35,790 --> 05:57:42,130
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Next to interpellate for the second round, Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand Hernandez.

5108
05:57:42,670 --> 05:57:45,870
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: This is my first round, Madam Chair. Thank

5109
05:57:45,870 --> 05:57:46,390
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: you, Madam Chair.

5110
05:57:47,030 --> 05:57:49,030
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: To DOF. Sorry, Sec.

5111
05:57:49,690 --> 05:57:50,010
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Madali

5112
05:57:50,010 --> 05:57:50,290
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: lang 'to.

5113
05:57:54,440 --> 05:57:57,520
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: The Chair of Ways and Means and I filed

5114
05:57:57,520 --> 05:57:59,420
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: a bill for

5115
05:57:59,420 --> 05:58:02,520
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: the removal of VAT on system loss.

5116
05:58:03,840 --> 05:58:09,740
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: And I just feel, based on discussion, that

5117
05:58:09,740 --> 05:58:11,080
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: we don't need a legislation.

5118
05:58:12,100 --> 05:58:12,780
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: I

5119
05:58:12,780 --> 05:58:14,020
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: totally agree with your

5120
05:58:14,020 --> 05:58:19,160
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: position that when you ask for a removal of, let's

5121
05:58:19,160 --> 05:58:24,360
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: say, VAT, you have to identify another source when it is legitimately imposed.

5122
05:58:25,400 --> 05:58:25,740
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: However,

5123
05:58:26,640 --> 05:58:32,020
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: dun sa systems loss kasi, I'll just read this, Sec.

5124
05:58:33,500 --> 05:58:35,800
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: No consumption, no

5125
05:58:35,800 --> 05:58:36,120
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: VAT.

5126
05:58:37,800 --> 05:58:45,540
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Electricity loss before it reaches the consumer should not be treated as the same manner as electricity actually delivered and consumed.

5127
05:58:46,740 --> 05:58:50,360
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Removing VAT on system loss, therefore, aligns the

5128
05:58:50,360 --> 05:58:54,200
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: tax treatment with the consumption-based character of VAT and

5129
05:58:54,200 --> 05:58:57,980
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: prevents consumer from paying a tax on electricity never

5130
05:58:57,980 --> 05:58:59,220
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: actually used.

5131
05:58:59,600 --> 05:59:00,120
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: So,

5132
05:59:00,180 --> 05:59:03,140
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: nag-impose tayo ng VAT on

5133
05:59:03,140 --> 05:59:04,720
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: consumption.

5134
05:59:05,280 --> 05:59:07,580
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Ito kasi, they're

5135
05:59:07,580 --> 05:59:09,840
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: paying already the system loss.

5136
05:59:12,500 --> 05:59:13,400
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Kumbaga,

5137
05:59:13,480 --> 05:59:18,720
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: pinasa na yung sa system loss sa consumer, ninagdagan pa ng VAT na

5138
05:59:18,720 --> 05:59:21,460
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: hindi naman dapat i-impose because it's not consumption.

5139
05:59:22,120 --> 05:59:26,960
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: So, this is different from VAT on electricity, only on the

5140
05:59:26,960 --> 05:59:30,360
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: system loss. So, what is the position now of

5141
05:59:30,360 --> 05:59:33,500
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: DOF and BIR? Kasi, nakikita namin,

5142
05:59:34,440 --> 05:59:37,480
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: You can come up with your

5143
05:59:37,480 --> 05:59:46,320
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: own rules and regulation. And you've cited several times, na ito yung mga VAT exempt.

5144
05:59:46,620 --> 05:59:51,240
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: And it covers even previous imposition and then

5145
05:59:51,240 --> 05:59:52,380
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: later on,

5146
05:59:52,480 --> 05:59:54,840
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: sinasabi nyo na VAT exempt to. So,

5147
05:59:54,840 --> 05:59:57,440
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: what we're asking

5148
05:59:57,440 --> 05:59:59,400
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: is that I

5149
05:59:59,400 --> 06:00:02,860
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: don't think we need the legislation. All we need is new,

5150
06:00:02,860 --> 06:00:05,480
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: probably rules and regulation

5151
06:00:05,500 --> 06:00:08,840
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: exempting VAT on system loss.

5152
06:00:10,280 --> 06:00:17,012
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Your Honor, thank you very much. It's a point well taken. With

5153
06:00:17,012 --> 06:00:21,380
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: your permission, I will ask our BIR Commissioner, Charlie Mendoza, to respond.

5154
06:00:22,920 --> 06:00:23,460
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Yes.

5155
06:00:23,460 --> 06:00:29,340
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Madam Chair, tama po iyon. Recently, we issued a revenue memorandum circular

5156
06:00:29,340 --> 06:00:31,000
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: exempting some

5157
06:00:31,000 --> 06:00:33,140
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: charges from VAT.

5158
06:00:33,300 --> 06:00:39,040
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Iyan po ay iyong Green Energy Auction Allowance at iyong Lifeline Subsidy. We

5159
06:00:39,040 --> 06:00:42,460
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: issued a revenue memorandum circular categorically stating that

5160
06:00:42,480 --> 06:00:44,700
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: they should not be subject to VAT

5161
06:00:44,700 --> 06:00:47,780
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: because these are clearly mandated pass-

5162
06:00:47,780 --> 06:00:48,560
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: through charges.

5163
06:00:49,100 --> 06:00:52,920
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: So, the current problem po kasi with system loss charge is

5164
06:00:53,400 --> 06:00:56,453
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: that it is bundled

5165
06:00:56,453 --> 06:00:58,699
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: with the gross sales

5166
06:00:58,699 --> 06:00:59,821
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: of the companies,

5167
06:00:59,821 --> 06:01:02,066
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: of the distributor.

5168
06:01:02,066 --> 06:01:14,040
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: So, it becomes part of the gross sale and therefore, it forms part of the tax base of the VAT base. That is why it is currently being subject to VAT.

5169
06:01:14,180 --> 06:01:18,680
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: But we are closely working with ERC on this, Madam Chair.

5170
06:01:18,880 --> 06:01:20,200
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Nag-uusap po kami.

5171
06:01:21,620 --> 06:01:22,220
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: At

5172
06:01:22,220 --> 06:01:26,320
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: tinitingnan po namin kung paano natin mare-resolve itong concern na ito.

5173
06:01:26,480 --> 06:01:29,080
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: In fact, as far as I know, they have a draft

5174
06:01:29,080 --> 06:01:31,940
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: regulation addressing

5175
06:01:31,940 --> 06:01:32,480
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: this.

5176
06:01:32,760 --> 06:01:36,080
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: At ang pagkakaalam ko po is it will go

5177
06:01:36,080 --> 06:01:38,440
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: through a public consultation next

5178
06:01:38,440 --> 06:01:40,300
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: week. And then, titingnan po namin doon

5179
06:01:40,300 --> 06:01:43,340
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: based doon sa regulation na ilalabas ng ERC.

5180
06:01:43,520 --> 06:01:46,740
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: Pero maliwanag naman po ang posisyon ng BIR dyan kung

5181
06:01:46,740 --> 06:01:53,360
BIR Commissioner Charlito Martin R. Mendoza: iyan po ay hindi part ng gross sales, kung iyan po ay mandated pass-through charge lang, iyan po ay hindi dapat ma-subject sa VAT.

5182
06:01:54,340 --> 06:01:58,360
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: So, Sek, this is important, no? Kasi para

5183
06:01:58,360 --> 06:01:59,660
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: malaman ng taong bayan,

5184
06:01:59,700 --> 06:02:02,400
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: meron naman pwedeng gawin na hindi na kailangan ng legislation.

5185
06:02:02,920 --> 06:02:05,060
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: And they've been asking for this. The

5186
06:02:05,060 --> 06:02:07,680
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: President mentioned this during SONA na

5187
06:02:07,680 --> 06:02:09,680
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: merong solusyon na hindi na kailangan tumagal.

5188
06:02:10,100 --> 06:02:13,700
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: All it takes is for BIR at ERC to sit down and

5189
06:02:13,700 --> 06:02:14,620
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: come up with a new

5190
06:02:14,620 --> 06:02:18,940
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: list or items that are chargeable and

5191
06:02:18,940 --> 06:02:19,800
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: removing VAT.

5192
06:02:19,920 --> 06:02:22,420
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Kasi in system loss, meron pang...

5193
06:02:23,520 --> 06:02:28,720
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Technical and non-technical. And there's no issue on the non-technical. But

5194
06:02:28,720 --> 06:02:34,380
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: as far as VAT, whether it's technical or non-technical, dapat talaga hindi na ma-impose yung VAT.

5195
06:02:35,780 --> 06:02:41,220
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, your points are very well taken. I think what our

5196
06:02:41,220 --> 06:02:47,260
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: BIR Commissioner mentioned is that there is light at the end of the tunnel, but

5197
06:02:47,260 --> 06:02:51,160
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: there needs to be certain conditions that need to be satisfied.

5198
06:02:52,240 --> 06:02:53,980
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We enumerated two. But

5199
06:02:53,980 --> 06:03:00,200
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: I think the good news is there is light at the end of the tunnel on this one, I think. So

5200
06:03:00,200 --> 06:03:03,620
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: we probably,

5201
06:03:03,840 --> 06:03:07,180
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: if the ERC ever comes in front of your

5202
06:03:07,180 --> 06:03:10,780
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: committee, you can raise the same issue

5203
06:03:10,780 --> 06:03:11,200
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: with them.

5204
06:03:11,760 --> 06:03:13,540
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: I think we've met with the

5205
06:03:13,540 --> 06:03:14,880
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Commissioner

5206
06:03:14,880 --> 06:03:21,160
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: and ERC and they're working on it. And I hope that it can be resolved soon para sa taong bayan.

5207
06:03:22,520 --> 06:03:23,440
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Another question.

5208
06:03:25,900 --> 06:03:27,660
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Again, the

5209
06:03:27,660 --> 06:03:30,200
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Chairman of Ways and Means and I filed

5210
06:03:30,200 --> 06:03:30,800
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: a bill

5211
06:03:30,800 --> 06:03:32,560
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: for

5212
06:03:32,560 --> 06:03:36,300
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: the suspension of

5213
06:03:36,300 --> 06:03:40,200
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: the Real Property Valuation and Assessment Reform Act.

5214
06:03:41,580 --> 06:03:42,600
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Because of,

5215
06:03:42,660 --> 06:03:43,700
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: number one,

5216
06:03:43,780 --> 06:03:45,080
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: we are in crisis.

5217
06:03:45,600 --> 06:03:47,900
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Number two, the

5218
06:03:47,900 --> 06:03:49,480
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: unabated increase in prices.

5219
06:03:49,960 --> 06:03:51,880
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: So parang, at

5220
06:03:51,880 --> 06:03:52,580
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: this time...

5221
06:03:53,460 --> 06:04:01,060
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: I don't think you have enough data and you've done consultation. And to impose this at this time,

5222
06:04:01,160 --> 06:04:08,840
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: baka napaka-detrimental sa taong bayan. So what's the position of DOF on this?

5223
06:04:09,440 --> 06:04:12,640
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Your Honor, Madam Chair, if

5224
06:04:12,640 --> 06:04:14,500
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Congress

5225
06:04:14,500 --> 06:04:19,020
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: will legislate a postponement of RPVARA, we will comply.

5226
06:04:21,100 --> 06:04:22,700
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Yes, we will do it.

5227
06:04:22,780 --> 06:04:23,360
Senior Deputy Speaker Ferdinand L. Hernandez: Thank you.

5228
06:04:24,320 --> 06:04:24,800
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: Thank you.

5229
06:04:36,220 --> 06:04:43,190
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, SDS Dinand. We'll now move to the next interpellator for the second round, from

5230
06:04:53,910 --> 06:04:55,870
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the Minority, Rep. Allan Ty.

5231
06:04:58,830 --> 06:04:59,780
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Madam Chair.

5232
06:05:00,120 --> 06:05:02,020
Rep. Allan U. Ty: To Secretary Kim

5233
06:05:02,020 --> 06:05:02,400
Rep. Allan U. Ty: de Leon,

5234
06:05:02,660 --> 06:05:03,380
Rep. Allan U. Ty: what

5235
06:05:08,220 --> 06:05:16,400
Rep. Allan U. Ty: was the total budget for the Local Government Support Fund, or LGSF, in fiscal year 2025 and

5236
06:05:16,400 --> 06:05:18,380
Rep. Allan U. Ty: for fiscal year 2026?

5237
06:05:33,660 --> 06:05:35,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, Your Honor.

5238
06:05:36,970 --> 06:05:37,550
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ah.

5239
06:05:38,370 --> 06:05:40,624
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Are we referring to the

5240
06:05:40,624 --> 06:05:44,230
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: total LGSF, Your Honor, across the different uses?

5241
06:05:44,750 --> 06:05:47,890
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For 2026, that is 57

5242
06:05:47,890 --> 06:05:53,430
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .872 billion pesos, Your Honor. And

5243
06:05:53,430 --> 06:05:57,810
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: for 2027, that is 58.532

5244
06:05:57,810 --> 06:05:59,190
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion pesos.

5245
06:06:00,010 --> 06:06:00,910
Rep. Allan U. Ty: For 2025,

5246
06:06:01,370 --> 06:06:01,910
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary.

5247
06:06:03,070 --> 06:06:03,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Sixty.

5248
06:06:04,190 --> 06:06:04,990
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Twenty

5249
06:06:04,990 --> 06:06:05,670
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -twenty-five.

5250
06:06:10,360 --> 06:06:14,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor, we'll just... We'll just retrieve the level for 2025.

5251
06:06:38,920 --> 06:06:41,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Twenty-twenty-five, Your Honor.

5252
06:06:46,700 --> 06:06:47,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Ga

5253
06:06:52,750 --> 06:06:53,170
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -a level.

5254
06:06:53,510 --> 06:06:54,250
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The

5255
06:06:57,870 --> 06:07:04,590
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: GAA level for 2025 for LGSF is 22.999 billion pesos, Your Honor.

5256
06:07:05,310 --> 06:07:08,770
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, may I refer you to Volume

5257
06:07:10,080 --> 06:07:11,500
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 3 of

5258
06:07:11,500 --> 06:07:14,600
Rep. Allan U. Ty: the NEP 2027, page

5259
06:07:14,600 --> 06:07:15,980
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 887.

5260
06:07:17,700 --> 06:07:19,180
Rep. Allan U. Ty: On... On...

5261
06:07:19,180 --> 06:07:20,020
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Letter D,

5262
06:07:20,220 --> 06:07:24,280
Rep. Allan U. Ty: as to unreleased

5263
06:07:24,280 --> 06:07:25,540
Rep. Allan U. Ty: appropriation for

5264
06:07:25,540 --> 06:07:27,480
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 2025, you

5265
06:07:27,480 --> 06:07:30,160
Rep. Allan U. Ty: have 10.936 billion, am I correct?

5266
06:07:32,500 --> 06:07:35,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: May we confirm, Your Honor, Volume 3?

5267
06:07:39,000 --> 06:07:40,280
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Page 887,

5268
06:07:40,680 --> 06:07:41,360
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary.

5269
06:07:42,000 --> 06:07:45,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's on LGSF, presumably, Your Honor.

5270
06:07:45,560 --> 06:07:48,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Page 887, unreleased, apro. So,

5271
06:07:49,020 --> 06:07:53,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we confirm that figure, Your Honor, 10.936 in unreleased, apro.

5272
06:07:53,720 --> 06:07:56,200
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Yes. So, it was carried to

5273
06:07:56,200 --> 06:07:58,120
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 2026, am I correct?

5274
06:08:00,180 --> 06:08:02,280
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: The validity... That is correct,

5275
06:08:02,520 --> 06:08:03,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your Honor.

5276
06:08:03,440 --> 06:08:07,760
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, the total available appropriation is around 68.8

5277
06:08:07,760 --> 06:08:09,100
Rep. Allan U. Ty: billion pesos,

5278
06:08:09,360 --> 06:08:10,000
Rep. Allan U. Ty: am I correct?

5279
06:08:10,980 --> 06:08:14,360
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Based on that page of the NEP, Your Honor, that is correct.

5280
06:08:15,560 --> 06:08:22,580
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So, how much has been appropriated for fiscal year 2026 out of 68.8 billion?

5281
06:08:22,580 --> 06:08:35,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For the releases, as of 2026, your honor, we're just pulling up the slides, the figures. So

5282
06:08:37,780 --> 06:08:42,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the cumulative, your honor, from 2026, we have

5283
06:08:44,790 --> 06:08:56,350
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 50.9 plus the continuing 3.7. So that's about 50

5284
06:08:58,080 --> 06:09:00,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .9,

5285
06:09:00,520 --> 06:09:05,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: almost 54 billion pesos as of July

5286
06:09:05,400 --> 06:09:07,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 31, your honor, Madam Chair.

5287
06:09:08,680 --> 06:09:10,800
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So Mr. Secretary, how much still

5288
06:09:10,800 --> 06:09:12,620
Rep. Allan U. Ty: remains

5289
06:09:12,620 --> 06:09:18,840
Rep. Allan U. Ty: available or unreleased from fiscal year 2026?

5290
06:09:19,400 --> 06:09:33,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: This is as of July 31, your honor, although there are... There were releases made during the first two weeks of August. So that's about a

5291
06:09:37,360 --> 06:09:39,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: little over 7

5292
06:09:39,940 --> 06:09:42,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion, your honor, Madam Chair.

5293
06:09:42,860 --> 06:09:44,480
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr.

5294
06:09:44,480 --> 06:09:44,740
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary.

5295
06:09:45,760 --> 06:09:47,640
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary, can

5296
06:09:47,640 --> 06:09:49,060
Rep. Allan U. Ty: you distinguish between

5297
06:09:49,060 --> 06:09:53,360
Rep. Allan U. Ty: unreleased appropriations from

5298
06:09:53,360 --> 06:09:55,620
Rep. Allan U. Ty: unobligated allotments?

5299
06:09:56,840 --> 06:10:06,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair. Unreleased appropriations. Unreleased appropriations pertains to appropriations authorized in the GAA, which we have not yet released any form

5300
06:10:06,380 --> 06:10:07,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: of obligation and authority.

5301
06:10:08,140 --> 06:10:21,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: While unobligated allotments, your honor, Madam Chair, pertains to allotments already released to the corresponding departments or agencies but are yet to be obligated by

5302
06:10:21,000 --> 06:10:23,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the respective departments or agencies, your honor.

5303
06:10:23,820 --> 06:10:24,700
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr.

5304
06:10:24,780 --> 06:10:25,100
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary.

5305
06:10:25,380 --> 06:10:33,920
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So my question now, Mr. Secretary, about the declaration. What will be your legal basis on the declaration of savings?

5306
06:10:34,360 --> 06:10:46,800
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, pursuant to the pertinent general provisions and corresponding jurisprudence on the declaration of savings, your honor, Madam Chair. The

5307
06:10:46,800 --> 06:10:52,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: first basis is to refer to released allotments, your honor.

5308
06:10:54,120 --> 06:10:55,800
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: And from

5309
06:10:55,800 --> 06:11:00,433
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: these released allotments... The proper determination,

5310
06:11:00,433 --> 06:11:12,649
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: whether the projects are already deemed abandoned, completed, or discontinued, that's the enumerated basis in the general provision as to when a project

5311
06:11:12,649 --> 06:11:21,980
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: or a PAP can be declared as savings, your honor. But it has to be released allotment, your honor, Madam Chair.

5312
06:11:23,000 --> 06:11:25,040
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Correct. I agree with you, Mr. Secretary.

5313
06:11:25,380 --> 06:11:30,240
Rep. Allan U. Ty: So in fiscal year 2025, you did declare... Clear savings, am I correct?

5314
06:11:32,950 --> 06:11:39,870
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For, do we refer to the period, your honor, the last fiscal year, during fiscal year 2025?

5315
06:11:40,390 --> 06:11:40,850
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Yes.

5316
06:11:41,130 --> 06:11:46,510
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I will have to confirm that period, your honor, because that's something I am not personally privy about.

5317
06:12:05,050 --> 06:12:14,850
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, subject to the final determination, the initial response that we had is during the period of 2025,

5318
06:12:15,650 --> 06:12:23,990
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: there was no declaration of savings. But definitely, we'll have to double-check with our figures as well, your honor, on

5319
06:12:23,990 --> 06:12:26,650
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the particular timing of that declaration of savings.

5320
06:12:28,170 --> 06:12:28,730
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr.

5321
06:12:28,790 --> 06:12:35,110
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary, are you familiar with National Budget Circular No. 603, dated May 4, 2026?

5322
06:12:35,850 --> 06:12:41,670
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor. That is issued in response to the Middle East oil crisis.

5323
06:12:42,110 --> 06:12:45,810
Rep. Allan U. Ty: And it also provides for the agencies to

5324
06:12:45,810 --> 06:12:47,910
Rep. Allan U. Ty: identify savings, am I

5325
06:12:47,910 --> 06:12:48,170
Rep. Allan U. Ty: correct?

5326
06:12:49,010 --> 06:12:51,630
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, your honor. But that's

5327
06:12:51,630 --> 06:12:58,050
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: why I clarified on the period because NBC-603 was issued in 2026, your honor.

5328
06:12:58,570 --> 06:13:02,170
Rep. Allan U. Ty: No, Mr. Secretary, can you please go

5329
06:13:02,170 --> 06:13:07,390
Rep. Allan U. Ty: over it again? NBC Circular No. 603 refers to fiscal year 2025.

5330
06:13:08,090 --> 06:13:13,290
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct. We confirm that, your honor. We issued that in 2026, but

5331
06:13:13,290 --> 06:13:21,990
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: covering available release allotments that may be declared as savings, under the fiscal year 2025, continuing appropriations.

5332
06:13:23,640 --> 06:13:25,700
Rep. Allan U. Ty: You also issued

5333
06:13:25,700 --> 06:13:28,580
Rep. Allan U. Ty: NBC Circular No. 602,

5334
06:13:28,580 --> 06:13:30,700
Rep. Allan U. Ty: dated

5335
06:13:30,700 --> 06:13:33,740
Rep. Allan U. Ty: April 23, 2026,

5336
06:13:34,060 --> 06:13:35,640
Rep. Allan U. Ty: covering fiscal year

5337
06:13:35,640 --> 06:13:37,500
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 2026, am I correct?

5338
06:13:37,780 --> 06:13:43,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That is correct, your honor. For fiscal year 2026, GAA release allotments, your honor.

5339
06:13:49,000 --> 06:13:54,800
Rep. Allan U. Ty: May I refer to you to your program adjustments for January 1 to July 31?

5340
06:14:08,020 --> 06:14:13,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor. I'm holding the said report, your honor, Madam Chair.

5341
06:14:16,190 --> 06:14:17,270
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Based on the

5342
06:14:17,270 --> 06:14:21,470
Rep. Allan U. Ty: FY2026 program adjustments, there

5343
06:14:21,470 --> 06:14:24,310
Rep. Allan U. Ty: was already a declaration of savings in the amount of 3

5344
06:14:24,310 --> 06:14:28,250
Rep. Allan U. Ty: .24 billion

5345
06:14:28,250 --> 06:14:28,910
Rep. Allan U. Ty: pesos.

5346
06:14:30,170 --> 06:14:30,790
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Am

5347
06:14:30,790 --> 06:14:31,670
Rep. Allan U. Ty: I correct?

5348
06:14:33,310 --> 06:14:33,930
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Or

5349
06:14:33,930 --> 06:14:35,490
Rep. Allan U. Ty: rather, amount

5350
06:14:39,550 --> 06:14:42,970
Rep. Allan U. Ty: of 12.287 billion.

5351
06:14:43,930 --> 06:14:45,530
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Out of the fiscal year

5352
06:14:45,530 --> 06:14:46,610
Rep. Allan U. Ty: 2025,

5353
06:14:47,110 --> 06:14:47,410
Rep. Allan U. Ty: GAA.

5354
06:15:08,100 --> 06:15:08,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I

5355
06:15:08,380 --> 06:15:12,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: apologize, your honor. We're trying to find that same figure that your honor has mentioned.

5356
06:15:20,970 --> 06:15:26,570
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, the figure you mentioned was 12.658

5357
06:15:26,570 --> 06:15:27,850
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: billion pesos.

5358
06:15:29,110 --> 06:15:34,110
Rep. Allan U. Ty: The amount is around 12.287199 billion.

5359
06:15:34,490 --> 06:15:35,050
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: I

5360
06:16:15,750 --> 06:16:22,550
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: apologize, your honor, if you can point us further to which department. Because apparently, in the adjustment

5361
06:16:22,550 --> 06:16:27,470
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that we have in front of us, we cannot seem to find that same figure that you cited.

5362
06:16:27,850 --> 06:16:32,630
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Madam Chair, may I approach the Secretary to confer with him about

5363
06:16:32,630 --> 06:16:34,290
Rep. Allan U. Ty: the figure on

5364
06:16:34,290 --> 06:16:34,890
Rep. Allan U. Ty: my possession?

5365
06:16:38,900 --> 06:16:47,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Go ahead, po. ComSec, please stop the time while Representative Ty is conferring with Sec. Kim.

5366
06:17:05,240 --> 06:17:09,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor. We can now confirm the figure. The figure,

5367
06:17:09,340 --> 06:17:21,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 12.287 billion, initially declared as savings by the respective agencies from the fiscal year 2025, GAA, pursuant to National Budget Circular

5368
06:17:21,460 --> 06:17:24,400
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: 603. Your honor, Madam Chair.

5369
06:17:26,160 --> 06:17:28,480
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Was the amount allocated already,

5370
06:17:28,780 --> 06:17:32,080
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Mr. Secretary? And to which department was it allocated?

5371
06:17:32,600 --> 06:17:39,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Madam Chair, your honor. In compliance with the rule on declaration of savings, it is imperative.

5372
06:17:41,580 --> 06:17:44,360
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: That's why the recipient PAP,

5373
06:17:44,540 --> 06:17:52,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the recipient agencies are the following, 11.287119 to the Department of Social Welfare and Development,

5374
06:17:52,860 --> 06:17:56,220
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: and 1 billion pesos to DMW OWA to

5375
06:17:56,220 --> 06:18:00,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: implement measures under the Uplift Program, your honor, Madam Chair.

5376
06:18:01,820 --> 06:18:05,280
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr. Secretary. How about for 2026?

5377
06:18:06,800 --> 06:18:14,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: For 20, under the 2026 GAA, your honor, Madam Chair, the offered

5378
06:18:14,240 --> 06:18:25,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: savings amounts to 4.087801, initially, your honor,

5379
06:18:27,440 --> 06:18:30,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: corresponding to amounts

5380
06:18:30,460 --> 06:18:34,340
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: released as well to DMW OSEC at 3 billion and additional 1

5381
06:18:34,340 --> 06:18:37,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: .087 billion for

5382
06:18:37,140 --> 06:18:41,497
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: DSWD. And we add to that as well, the amount

5383
06:18:42,700 --> 06:18:45,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Some earmarked amounts for DA at 2 billion.

5384
06:18:46,280 --> 06:18:52,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So that gives us about 6.1 billion pesos from under 2026 GAA, your honor.

5385
06:18:53,680 --> 06:18:54,560
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Thank you, Mr.

5386
06:18:54,660 --> 06:18:54,900
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Secretary.

5387
06:18:55,900 --> 06:18:56,460
Rep. Allan U. Ty: I

5388
06:18:56,460 --> 06:18:57,180
Rep. Allan U. Ty: have no more questions,

5389
06:18:58,000 --> 06:18:58,560
Rep. Allan U. Ty: Madam Chair.

5390
06:19:01,100 --> 06:19:06,120
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Representative Ty. Next to interpellate for the second round, Representative Renee Co.

5391
06:19:09,820 --> 06:19:20,340
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Chair. Just to get back also on free higher education, Madam Chair, this representation would like to share

5392
06:19:20,340 --> 06:19:38,720
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: its appreciation na may attention finally doon sa pag-disburse at paglabas ng pondo para po sa free higher education deficiency. And the Secretary made mention of their updated formula in relation sa pag

5393
06:19:38,720 --> 06:19:49,320
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: -calculate ano yung SUC budget. May this representation be furnished a copy of how the DBM now calculates the budget?

5394
06:19:52,840 --> 06:19:56,760
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, your honor, Madam Chair, would be glad to share with the

5395
06:19:57,540 --> 06:20:04,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: good Congresswoman the basis for the computation of the FHE allocation as presented in the 2027 NEP.

5396
06:20:05,380 --> 06:20:22,580
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Okay. And just a practical question po, Madam Chair. Section 4 po kasi provides that the basis should be the projected number of enrollees for each academic year. Pero mukhang nag-share po ng DBM. Parang actual number of enrollees for the

5397
06:20:22,580 --> 06:20:28,000
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: average of three years. Paano po i-reconcile ng DBM yun?

5398
06:20:29,220 --> 06:20:38,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, that is the reason why we used some proxy indicator to approximate the probable increase because historically,

5399
06:20:38,400 --> 06:20:39,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the

5400
06:20:39,060 --> 06:20:44,160
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: reason why there were arrears because the old enrollment figures were used.

5401
06:20:44,340 --> 06:20:48,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: But this time, we used the three

5402
06:20:48,060 --> 06:20:53,033
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: -year estimate. So, the average growth of the enrollment so that we

5403
06:20:53,033 --> 06:20:59,080
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: can approximate the level of increase for 2027. As for any variance that may arise,

5404
06:20:59,380 --> 06:21:02,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: even if we have already applied this average growth rate,

5405
06:21:03,180 --> 06:21:08,520
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: that is something that will have to be calculated with CHED and UNIFA so that we can

5406
06:21:08,520 --> 06:21:13,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: identify the amount and the possible corresponding source, your honor.

5407
06:21:14,700 --> 06:21:20,920
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you po, Madam Chair. And syempre, tuloy-tuloyin namang BWM. Pagkabantayan ng representasyong ito yung

5408
06:21:20,920 --> 06:21:25,540
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: implementation ng RA 10931. At paano, syempre, pinupondohan

5409
06:21:25,540 --> 06:21:31,260
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yung pagkakaroon ng libre legalidad abot kamay na edukasyon para sa kabataan.

5410
06:21:31,920 --> 06:21:37,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Just to add as well, your honor, Madam Chair, in relation to the almost 10 billion that we have released, the

5411
06:21:37,920 --> 06:21:42,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: release actually has a small portion or small allowance that will allow CHED

5412
06:21:42,860 --> 06:21:52,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: to entertain possible appeals from SUCs in case there will be some discrepancies. In terms of the enrollment being claimed. So that can be

5413
06:21:52,060 --> 06:21:56,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: handled very well by CHED. And we maintain close coordination, your honor, to

5414
06:21:56,920 --> 06:22:00,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: fully settle our FHE careers to our SUCs.

5415
06:22:01,540 --> 06:22:16,360
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you, Madam Chair. Last na lang po on confidential funds. Dahil may nirelease lang din po today, or a few days ago na article yung Rappler, detailing how even at the local government level,

5416
06:22:16,960 --> 06:22:44,040
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: meron ding increases in... confidential funds na nire-report ang mga LGUs. Is there an explanation for this? Bakit po dumadami yung mga pondong nire-request that confidentially ginagamit? Ayun nga po, bumabalik tayo doon sa prinsipyo na ideally, transparent yung mekanismo ng pag-report ng spending ng public funds, pero dumadami yung ganitong instances.

5417
06:22:47,220 --> 06:22:47,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam

5418
06:22:47,900 --> 06:22:49,940
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Chair, your honor, number one. May time po.

5419
06:22:50,340 --> 06:22:51,240
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Thank you.

5420
06:22:51,620 --> 06:22:55,800
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: On the confidential funds of LGUs, number one, meron pong

5421
06:22:55,800 --> 06:23:01,840
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: guidelines na sinusunod ang ating mga local government units in the preparation of the respective

5422
06:23:01,840 --> 06:23:05,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: LGU budgets. At in fact,

5423
06:23:05,620 --> 06:23:14,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron pong limitation din po ang pagkakaroon ng confidential funds sa ating mga local government units dahil

5424
06:23:14,000 --> 06:23:17,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: patid po natin that they also perform peace and order mandate.

5425
06:23:17,800 --> 06:23:23,060
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So meron po tayong issued na joint... Kabilang po ito doon sa issued joint circular on

5426
06:23:23,060 --> 06:23:28,180
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the limitation and use of confidential funds, kabilang po yung proper documentation na

5427
06:23:28,180 --> 06:23:32,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: necessary to support the same. At sa atin pong mga local government units,

5428
06:23:33,380 --> 06:23:35,700
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kailangan pong ma-aprubahan ng

5429
06:23:35,700 --> 06:23:38,020
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanilang respective local

5430
06:23:38,020 --> 06:23:40,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: peace and order council, number one.

5431
06:23:40,780 --> 06:23:56,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Dapat po may covering local peace and order council approval, yung proposed allocation. Ngayon din, dahil ito po ay appropriation sa level ng... Dapat din po itong ma-aprubahan ng kanilang mga respective sanggunian, your honor, Madam Chair.

5432
06:23:57,340 --> 06:24:01,200
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So does DBM look at these resolutions?

5433
06:24:03,200 --> 06:24:14,180
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Meron po bang nakikitang trends? Bakit po ba dumadagdag yung spending? And sa dulo po ba nito, ano po bang pwedeng magawa pa ng DBM to ensure na

5434
06:24:14,180 --> 06:24:20,120
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: nagagamit sa tama, hindi nahulog sa maling paggasta ang confidential funds?

5435
06:24:20,700 --> 06:24:30,620
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Number one po, your honor, Madam Chair, at the level of the DBM, ang dumarating po sa amin for review and approval ng mga LGU budgets, ay yun pong para sa mga

5436
06:24:30,620 --> 06:24:36,720
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: provinces and highly urbanized cities. Dahil po yung iba pong level under the local government code,

5437
06:24:36,880 --> 06:24:39,460
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: meron pong iba't-ibang nagre-review. So for DBM,

5438
06:24:39,720 --> 06:24:44,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we review and approve the budgets of provinces and highly

5439
06:24:44,140 --> 06:24:48,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: urbanized city at tinitingnan po natin sa ating pag-review yung

5440
06:24:48,300 --> 06:24:54,109
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: kanila pong compliance sa iba't-ibang paratong budget. So yung parameters on local budgets, kapilang na

5441
06:24:54,109 --> 06:24:57,878
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po dyan yung limitation on the allocation for

5442
06:24:57,878 --> 06:24:59,960
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: confidential fund. As to the utilization,

5443
06:25:00,520 --> 06:25:05,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: your honor, we fully submit that it is within, nandoon na nga po sa Joint Circular,

5444
06:25:05,420 --> 06:25:09,780
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yun po kasing report ng actual na paggamit ng confidential fund ay hindi

5445
06:25:09,780 --> 06:25:12,260
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: po sa DBM actually sinasubmit.

5446
06:25:12,360 --> 06:25:15,300
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: It's being submitted to the Commission on Audit for their

5447
06:25:15,300 --> 06:25:21,120
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: post-audit and determination whether the same is actually used in accordance. With the

5448
06:25:21,120 --> 06:25:28,320
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: approved peace and order plan endorsed by the respective local peace and order councils of their LGUs, your honor.

5449
06:25:28,480 --> 06:25:29,180
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So

5450
06:25:29,180 --> 06:25:30,060
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: to clarify,

5451
06:25:30,540 --> 06:25:34,160
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: siyempre labas na yung post

5452
06:25:34,160 --> 06:25:46,400
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: -allocation dahil ang COA po ang gumagawa. Pero prior po or during sa pag-submit po ng budget, maaari po bang tignan ng DBM at mag-disapprove ng

5453
06:25:46,400 --> 06:25:49,080
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: plan ng paggasta kung may na-flag?

5454
06:25:50,400 --> 06:25:54,860
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, sa review po kasi ng mga regional offices ng DBM ng budget.

5455
06:25:54,860 --> 06:26:03,320
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: To clarify po, Madam Chair, we're also including din sana yung national government agencies, NGAs, sana, and hindi lang po LGUs.

5456
06:26:04,180 --> 06:26:06,120
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: In your answer, supposedly, Secretary.

5457
06:26:06,560 --> 06:26:19,600
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Your honor, Madam Chair, in evaluating, sorry po if I have to differentiate kasi magkaiba po kasi yung proseso. For the local government units, our regional offices that reviews local government units' budgets,

5458
06:26:20,340 --> 06:26:26,900
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: primarily, ang tinitingnan po dito, well, number one, if it does not exceed the ceiling provided for under existing

5459
06:26:26,900 --> 06:26:30,320
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: guidelines, and if these are properly supported

5460
06:26:30,320 --> 06:26:32,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: by the requisite

5461
06:26:32,140 --> 06:26:38,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mentioned documents dun po sa ating joint circular. So one po yung ceiling, pangalawa po yung

5462
06:26:38,480 --> 06:26:41,000
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: presence ng resolution endorsement ng

5463
06:26:41,000 --> 06:26:44,100
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: local peace and order council, gayon din po

5464
06:26:44,100 --> 06:26:46,380
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: yung supporting certification

5465
06:26:46,380 --> 06:26:52,480
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: from the PNP chief regarding the peace and order situation, that actually necessitates yung

5466
06:26:52,480 --> 06:26:55,540
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: pangangailangan po sa confidential fund ng isang LGU.

5467
06:26:55,680 --> 06:26:58,640
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So dun po sa level na yun pumapasok yung role ng DBM.

5468
06:26:58,880 --> 06:27:02,500
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Pagdating po sa national government agency, again, similarly,

5469
06:27:03,000 --> 06:27:12,560
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: mandato po ng ahensya yung una nating tinitingnan, and as to amount, we have practically limited yung amount po ng confidential and intelligence funds to

5470
06:27:12,560 --> 06:27:24,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: the NEP level, at hindi po tayo halos nagbigay or nag-entertain ng any request for increase or new confidential funds, na civilian agencies na lalo na po kung wala pong mandato na

5471
06:27:24,140 --> 06:27:28,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: magsagawa ng intelligence, counterintelligence, or security operations, Your Honor. So

5472
06:27:28,920 --> 06:27:39,520
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Chair, ang naririnig ko po ba ay, correct me if I'm wrong, yes, may power ang DBM na gawin yun. Kung malabas po sa mandato, maaari niyang i-disprove yung

5473
06:27:39,520 --> 06:27:45,460
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sinubmit na budget request, or para ma-include po sa national budget,

5474
06:27:45,620 --> 06:27:49,440
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: yung confidential expenses na gustong gamitin, gastahin.

5475
06:27:49,580 --> 06:27:50,920
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Yes, Your Honor. Okay,

5476
06:27:50,980 --> 06:27:53,440
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: thank you Madam Chair. My

5477
06:27:53,440 --> 06:27:56,780
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: next question po would be to DepDev,

5478
06:27:56,940 --> 06:27:57,840
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: in

5479
06:27:57,840 --> 06:27:59,480
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: relation po sa kanyang presentation

5480
06:27:59,480 --> 06:28:00,680
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: po

5481
06:28:00,680 --> 06:28:01,220
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: nila earlier.

5482
06:28:04,230 --> 06:28:04,870
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: This

5483
06:28:04,870 --> 06:28:14,050
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: was in the presentation earlier kung saan, taking off from the points of Representative Eli San Fernando, nakita po na the

5484
06:28:14,050 --> 06:28:15,210
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: economy remains heavily

5485
06:28:15,210 --> 06:28:21,930
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: reliant on consumption and services, constraining faster, more durable, and inclusive growth.

5486
06:28:22,450 --> 06:28:26,630
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Na-mention din po ni PBBM sa kanyang SONA that

5487
06:28:26,630 --> 06:28:34,430
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: there will be a product of the, may product of a 23-member strong and US-led PAC-SILICA initiative, which

5488
06:28:34,430 --> 06:28:40,190
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: will accelerate industrial competitiveness and revitalize our economy.

5489
06:28:41,890 --> 06:28:46,490
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: So ang tanong po natin ng representation na ito, is

5490
06:28:46,490 --> 06:28:53,470
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: PAC-SILICA part of the industrial growth strategy, the broadening of sources of growth? Now,

5491
06:28:57,080 --> 06:29:01,960
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if PAC-SILICA will involve the

5492
06:29:01,960 --> 06:29:07,160
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: industries like manufacturing of

5493
06:29:07,160 --> 06:29:14,247
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: say semiconductors, electronics, high-value manufacturing,

5494
06:29:14,247 --> 06:29:19,200
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: then indeed that's what would

5495
06:29:19,200 --> 06:29:22,380
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: be beneficial and be supportive of our industrialization.

5496
06:29:22,760 --> 06:29:29,311
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But then again, recall that, as shared

5497
06:29:29,311 --> 06:29:31,676
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: by our colleagues earlier is

5498
06:29:31,676 --> 06:29:33,568
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that this is still

5499
06:29:33,568 --> 06:29:34,514
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: an evolving

5500
06:29:34,514 --> 06:29:35,460
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: concept, no?

5501
06:29:36,600 --> 06:29:43,500
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Wala pa namang mga specific industries

5502
06:29:43,500 --> 06:29:46,960
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: na nandun or companies,

5503
06:29:47,240 --> 06:29:47,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: no?

5504
06:29:47,520 --> 06:29:48,920
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: But clearly,

5505
06:29:49,160 --> 06:29:50,640
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if it's about

5506
06:29:50,640 --> 06:29:53,860
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: setting up an industrial hub that

5507
06:29:53,860 --> 06:29:54,800
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: will create jobs,

5508
06:29:54,960 --> 06:30:04,100
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that will bring in the kind of technologies that will increase higher value or adding value to our local production,

5509
06:30:04,420 --> 06:30:17,340
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: then that's what I meant or could be supportive of what I suggested earlier that we need to diversify the sources of growth.

5510
06:30:17,700 --> 06:30:21,620
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Chair, according to PBBM-SAête it

5511
06:30:21,620 --> 06:30:34,780
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: will be in part the Luzon Economic Corridor and it will be an advanceduary manufacturing and logistics center in the global AI and technology value chain. So I'm asking these questions because just yesterday, the

5512
06:30:34,780 --> 06:31:09,680
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: U.S. State Department recognized a leak of internal documents, including a draft letter to be addressed to dozens of countries. And it says that countries must pick sides in the artificial intelligence race between the U.S.-led Paxilica and China. Sabi ng draft, signature of the Paxilica declaration is not merely a membership subscription, but commitment, and that U.S. hopes to limit China's access to resources needed to develop increasingly sophisticated AI to be used for military and economic dominance. Madam Chair, ang tanong ko po, are

5513
06:31:09,680 --> 06:31:16,700
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: we signing up to be a pawn in an AI development race by competing superpowers? Is that what's at play here,

5514
06:31:16,880 --> 06:31:19,140
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: or is it quote-unquote development?

5515
06:31:21,720 --> 06:31:25,340
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: What we are pushing is development for the Philippines.

5516
06:31:27,960 --> 06:31:31,020
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And whether it is that

5517
06:31:31,020 --> 06:31:36,740
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is China or that's the U.S. or that's Europe or that's U.K. for so long as they

5518
06:31:36,740 --> 06:31:39,240
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: come in and that

5519
06:31:39,240 --> 06:31:43,220
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: is consistent with our interest and

5520
06:31:43,220 --> 06:31:49,380
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: meeting our objectives. So it is, I

5521
06:31:49,380 --> 06:31:54,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: define it as creating opportunities for Filipinos.

5522
06:31:55,000 --> 06:32:01,240
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Then those kind of... Those kind of investment would be encouraged. So

5523
06:32:01,240 --> 06:32:07,760
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: we look at it as a part of our strategy

5524
06:32:07,760 --> 06:32:09,920
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: to industrialize the country.

5525
06:32:12,000 --> 06:32:12,900
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And

5526
06:32:12,900 --> 06:32:19,980
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the bottom line is they improve the mix of our industries

5527
06:32:19,980 --> 06:32:28,320
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: so that we are able to provide high quality jobs. For Filipinos.

5528
06:32:29,560 --> 06:32:41,300
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Madam Chair, a final manifestation perhaps in response to the answer of our good Secretary. I have to ask, development for whom? Development at what cost?

5529
06:32:41,480 --> 06:32:41,880
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: Because

5530
06:32:41,880 --> 06:32:49,080
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: sa dulo po nito, mukhang kung the United States who leads this initiative will

5531
06:32:49,080 --> 06:32:54,360
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: be making this kind of ultimatum, pick a side. And sa

5532
06:32:54,360 --> 06:33:03,680
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: dulo din nito, ang pagtatayo ng hub ay marami pa pong questions kung sino pa ang magbe-bear ng cost na ito—land-wise, environmental-wise, electricity

5533
06:33:03,680 --> 06:33:35,160
Rep. Renee Louise M. Co: -wise, water-wise, even the rights of indigenous peoples kung paano po ito marirespeto. These are questions and kailangan pong itimbang kung kaya at gusto ba natin at makakaambag po ba sa develop natin or development for others yung pagsama natin sa Paxilica. That's all, Madam Chair. I'm out of time. But nonetheless, these are questions naman nga na pending. Anyway, may mga stances naman po ang representation na ito when it comes to paano pa natin may ensure yung development for the people. Thank you, Madam Chair.

5534
06:33:35,800 --> 06:33:37,880
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Representative Renee Co.

5535
06:33:38,720 --> 06:33:42,560
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Is there anyone else who wishes to interpellate our agencies?

5536
06:33:44,260 --> 06:33:50,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: If not, I'll reserve. I haven't asked any question.

5537
06:33:53,500 --> 06:33:57,600
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay, before I ask my questions, Representative Javi Benitez.

5538
06:34:01,390 --> 06:34:06,470
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Madam Chair, thank you so much. Pasensya lang. Alam ko ang haba ng araw na ito. But gusto

5539
06:34:06,470 --> 06:34:08,630
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: lang itanong para sa ating

5540
06:34:08,630 --> 06:34:10,830
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Honorable Secretary of DEPDev.

5541
06:34:13,250 --> 06:34:15,870
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Honorable Secretary, kapwa

5542
06:34:15,870 --> 06:34:19,030
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: ako po yung ginawang Technical Working Group Head for the Circular Economy.

5543
06:34:19,750 --> 06:34:24,010
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And just to give some context that July

5544
06:34:24,010 --> 06:34:25,930
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: and August, we

5545
06:34:25,930 --> 06:34:30,570
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: felt that the flood water is in our streets and floating in it our own garbage.

5546
06:34:31,490 --> 06:34:35,930
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So the trash that we... collected sa pumping stations had

5547
06:34:35,930 --> 06:34:38,330
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 526 tons and

5548
06:34:38,330 --> 06:34:40,570
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 600 tons of garbage in five days.

5549
06:34:42,290 --> 06:34:48,430
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So I know we spent billions on flood control and plastic disables, the very pumps meant to save.

5550
06:34:49,290 --> 06:34:53,590
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And I want to share that truth, that

5551
06:34:53,590 --> 06:34:56,750
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the Philippines is the world's number one contributor of

5552
06:34:56,750 --> 06:34:57,850
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: plastic waste to the ocean.

5553
06:34:59,150 --> 06:34:59,470
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And

5554
06:35:01,130 --> 06:35:01,970
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: that in

5555
06:35:01,970 --> 06:35:05,990
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: 2021, It was found by Science Advances that

5556
06:35:05,990 --> 06:35:08,590
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: we account for 36% of

5557
06:35:08,590 --> 06:35:10,950
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the plastics that rivers carry into the sea.

5558
06:35:11,090 --> 06:35:14,850
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And that Pasig River is the single most polluting river on the planet,

5559
06:35:15,010 --> 06:35:20,610
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: about 63,000 tons a year, and 7 of the world's top 10 hour hours.

5560
06:35:23,650 --> 06:35:28,790
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So this is also money we are throwing away because the World Bank found that we lose upwards to 890

5561
06:35:28,790 --> 06:35:34,670
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: million US dollars a year in material value because we discard plastic instead of recycling it.

5562
06:35:35,290 --> 06:35:37,810
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: We recycled only 28% of our key plastics.

5563
06:35:38,510 --> 06:35:41,910
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So this representation has a threshold question for the Circular Economy Bill,

5564
06:35:42,070 --> 06:35:46,410
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: which I again have the honor of being the Technical Working Group Chair.

5565
06:35:46,870 --> 06:35:49,770
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So which agency should chair the Interagency Council?

5566
06:35:50,210 --> 06:35:52,550
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: The instinct is DNR, but

5567
06:35:52,550 --> 06:35:58,730
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: the Circular Economy is not a waste program. It's a growth strategy about resource productivity and

5568
06:35:58,730 --> 06:35:59,950
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: industrial competitiveness.

5569
06:36:00,290 --> 06:36:04,910
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: If DNR chairs it, we will treat it as just a waste problem. If

5570
06:36:04,910 --> 06:36:07,410
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: DepDev chairs it, we treat it as an

5571
06:36:07,410 --> 06:36:09,770
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: economic strategy for

5572
06:36:09,770 --> 06:36:10,490
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: our country.

5573
06:36:13,480 --> 06:36:17,100
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So DepDev cannot say that this is not just a mandate. It was

5574
06:36:17,100 --> 06:36:23,080
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: NEDA, and now DepDev, that wrote the Philippine Action Plan for Sustainable Consumption and Production in 2019.

5575
06:36:24,940 --> 06:36:31,020
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And it's also DepDev that carries Circular Economy in the Philippine Development Plan under RA 12145.

5576
06:36:31,200 --> 06:36:36,440
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: And its charter now expressly covers long-term strategic planning across the whole economy.

5577
06:36:36,980 --> 06:36:37,500
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: The

5578
06:36:37,500 --> 06:36:42,140
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Extended Producer Responsibility Law helps, but it only covers big companies and

5579
06:36:42,140 --> 06:36:43,120
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: only chases recovery,

5580
06:36:43,420 --> 06:36:46,680
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: not reduction. And it's not yet a circular economy.

5581
06:36:47,400 --> 06:36:49,860
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So let me ask on record, Mr. Secretary,

5582
06:36:50,120 --> 06:36:50,960
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: kasi

5583
06:36:50,960 --> 06:36:55,560
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: nagpadala po kami every Technical Working Group, apat na beses po. Ang

5584
06:36:55,560 --> 06:37:00,020
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: lagi pong sinasabi sa amin is ayaw po ng DepDev mag-chair po. And

5585
06:37:00,020 --> 06:37:02,920
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: nagiging

5586
06:37:02,920 --> 06:37:05,600
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: yung mga stakeholders namin nagsasabi,

5587
06:37:06,960 --> 06:37:07,560
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: So,

5588
06:37:07,560 --> 06:37:12,420
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Mr. Secretary, will DepDev accept the chairmanship of the Circular Economy Council?

5589
06:37:12,720 --> 06:37:17,920
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: If not, why not? And what would it take for you to say yes, Mr. Secretary?

5590
06:37:22,740 --> 06:37:26,100
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: If it is, Mr.

5591
06:37:27,600 --> 06:37:27,820
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Chair,

5592
06:37:28,100 --> 06:37:30,420
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if

5593
06:37:30,420 --> 06:37:31,760
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: it's

5594
06:37:31,760 --> 06:37:38,720
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: mainstream as part of our mandate,

5595
06:37:42,800 --> 06:37:45,200
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: if it has clear

5596
06:37:45,200 --> 06:37:47,160
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: implications

5597
06:37:47,160 --> 06:37:50,540
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: for our development

5598
06:37:50,540 --> 06:37:51,080
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: planning,

5599
06:37:53,180 --> 06:37:57,040
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: monitoring, and then

5600
06:37:57,040 --> 06:37:58,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: I think we could

5601
06:37:58,000 --> 06:38:00,380
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: consider

5602
06:38:00,380 --> 06:38:01,220
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: that. But I

5603
06:38:01,220 --> 06:38:04,400
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: think over

5604
06:38:04,400 --> 06:38:10,000
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the last couple of years,

5605
06:38:10,400 --> 06:38:11,160
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: there

5606
06:38:11,160 --> 06:38:16,320
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: have been so many... additional tasks given to the agency without

5607
06:38:16,320 --> 06:38:17,640
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: corresponding

5608
06:38:17,640 --> 06:38:21,080
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: support

5609
06:38:21,080 --> 06:38:24,520
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in terms of manpower, for example.

5610
06:38:24,980 --> 06:38:27,260
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: And that's basically our constraint.

5611
06:38:27,580 --> 06:38:29,820
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: We've become the Secretariat for

5612
06:38:29,820 --> 06:38:32,860
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Trabaho Para sa Bayan,

5613
06:38:33,620 --> 06:38:33,980
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the

5614
06:38:33,980 --> 06:38:36,680
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: latest on the Innovation Council,

5615
06:38:37,380 --> 06:38:37,720
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the...

5616
06:38:37,720 --> 06:38:39,060
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Ang

5617
06:38:39,060 --> 06:38:39,560
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: dami ho.

5618
06:38:39,880 --> 06:38:40,600
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Na...

5619
06:38:42,680 --> 06:38:44,180
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: bagong batas na

5620
06:38:44,180 --> 06:38:48,160
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: tinatapon

5621
06:38:48,160 --> 06:38:49,860
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: sa amin to

5622
06:38:49,860 --> 06:38:51,820
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: serve as the Secretariat without

5623
06:38:51,820 --> 06:38:56,560
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: complementary support staff

5624
06:38:56,560 --> 06:38:58,020
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: or structure.

5625
06:38:58,480 --> 06:39:01,140
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: If you give us, if you put in that law,

5626
06:39:02,720 --> 06:39:05,580
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: the complementary support

5627
06:39:05,580 --> 06:39:06,080
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: staff,

5628
06:39:07,700 --> 06:39:13,080
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: then it would be feasible for us to

5629
06:39:13,080 --> 06:39:15,640
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: absorb that responsibility,

5630
06:39:16,420 --> 06:39:17,420
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Mr. Chair.

5631
06:39:18,920 --> 06:39:21,800
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: Madam Chair, nakita po natin ang

5632
06:39:21,800 --> 06:39:24,540
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: pwedeng gawin na pwede

5633
06:39:24,540 --> 06:39:42,580
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: nating... ang ating mga batas, which is ang EPR, PENCAS, circular economy, at alam ko mayroon ding carbon credits na kailangan pong i-synthesize. So with that, Madam Chair, we will ensure that the bill will... include...

5634
06:39:42,580 --> 06:39:43,900
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: that...

5635
06:39:43,900 --> 06:40:00,740
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: I'm synthesizing all of this together but also requiring that the bill be funding few levels of plantilla positions for the Circular Economy Council. So with that, maraming salamat po, Madam Chair. And sana

5636
06:40:00,740 --> 06:40:10,660
Rep. Javier Miguel Lopez Benitez: po ang ating mga colleagues ay mag-focus din dito dahil tayo ay number one sa ating pag-pollute ng plastic sa buong mundo. Thank you.

5637
06:40:15,200 --> 06:40:43,720
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Representative Javi Benitez. If you would allow me to ask questions, I haven't asked questions all day. So I just want to pose a few questions to the DBCC family. And one of the main intentions of doing the DBCC is for us to be able to check whether the assumptions underlying the sources of financing that feed into the BESF are sound. So medyo doon lang po ako magfo-focus in the discussion.

5638
06:40:44,120 --> 06:40:48,740
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So... I would like to pose the question whether

5639
06:40:48,740 --> 06:41:05,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the DBM family or the DOF family would answer my question. Just going back to the 2026 BESF, may I ask, just to validate, what was the underlying assumption in terms of the collections?

5640
06:41:07,300 --> 06:41:08,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So the revenues?

5641
06:41:09,920 --> 06:41:16,580
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sorry, I'm setting the context lang for my question for the 2026 BESF. So

5642
06:41:22,310 --> 06:41:30,710
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: out of the 6.8 trillion that was in the 2026 budget

5643
06:41:30,710 --> 06:41:32,430
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: or NEP, what

5644
06:41:32,430 --> 06:41:33,310
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: proportion of that

5645
06:41:33,660 --> 06:41:36,470
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: would come from collections as

5646
06:41:39,990 --> 06:41:41,190
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a nominal value?

5647
06:41:44,000 --> 06:41:53,040
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, for the revenues for 2026, the emerging revenue is 4.8 trillion pesos for this year.

5648
06:41:53,540 --> 06:41:54,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: For the

5649
06:41:54,780 --> 06:42:01,620
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: BESF? So, going back to the 2026 BESF, the 4.8 is actually not—

5650
06:42:01,620 --> 06:42:06,300
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: For the 2026 BESF, it is 4.983.

5651
06:42:06,520 --> 06:42:21,480
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There you go. Yeah. That's the figure that I have here. So may I, for the record, ask the DOF family, what is the actual—sorry, not yet actual—but what is the revised projection for the collections in 2026?

5652
06:42:22,660 --> 06:42:27,040
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in effect, that would feed into your projections for the 2027 BESF?

5653
06:42:27,040 --> 06:42:33,500
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: For 2026, based on the 2027 BESF document submitted to the

5654
06:42:33,500 --> 06:42:37,020
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: committee, it's 4.807 trillion

5655
06:42:37,020 --> 06:42:38,520
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: pesos for this year.

5656
06:42:38,740 --> 06:42:45,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Usec. Karlo. I use that to set the context for my questioning. Because based

5657
06:42:45,980 --> 06:42:57,610
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: off that, there's roughly 180 billion in shortfall between the assumed level of collections in the 2026 BASF. And the projected

5658
06:42:57,610 --> 06:43:10,690
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actual, projected actual? Projected collections for 2026. So yun po siguro yung tanong ko. Because I believe

5659
06:43:10,690 --> 06:43:20,270
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this has been asked by one of my colleagues before. But that 180 billion peso shortfall, is that primarily driven by, I

5660
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: guess, which lever? Is it tax revenues? Non-tax revenues? Where does the shortfall lie? What was the main driver for the 180 billion shortfall?

5661
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, it's mainly from the tax revenues, which is highly correlated to the macro assumptions, macroeconomic assumptions. Is

5662
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: it correct? I would assume because you have different components within your revenue collections, given that it's tied with the macroeconomic assumptions, the current circumstances, we're looking at a dip in your consumption driven. Taxes.

5663
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Yes, Madam Chair. So just to provide some context, ginawa po natin yung ating NEP last year,

5664
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: basically June.

5665
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: So wala pa po yung mga crisis na dinadanas po natin ngayon. Kaya po,

5666
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: when we reviewed the macro assumption, there were some revisions, and because of those revisions, bumaba rin po yung projected revenues for the year.

5667
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Usec. Karlo. May I ask, out of the 180 billion shortfall, what is the biggest contributor to the shortfall?

5668
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we

5669
06:44:24,007 --> 06:44:25,680
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: can do to reduce the

5670
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: What shortfall? is the biggest

5671
06:44:27,340 --> 06:44:29,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: contributor to the shortfall? Among

5672
06:44:29,860 --> 06:44:44,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the different types of sources, tax revenues, non-tax revenues, within tax revenues, are we looking at government remittances, sorry, government expenditure related revenues or taxes,

5673
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: VAT?

5674
06:44:47,370 --> 06:44:51,430
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: What is the biggest contributor to that 180 billion shortfall?

5675
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, one of the biggest contributor in the decline in tax revenue, are the consumption taxes. One

5676
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: of which will be the VAT,

5677
06:45:03,730 --> 06:45:11,930
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: wherein if you take a look, the BSF 2026 and the BSF 2027, that's around 175 billion

5678
06:45:11,930 --> 06:45:15,590
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: shortfall compared to what was submitted last year.

5679
06:45:15,910 --> 06:45:22,250
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: So those are all related to consumption taxes and all related to macro economic assumptions.

5680
06:45:22,910 --> 06:45:53,970
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Usec. Karlo. Again, it's as expected, given the fuel crisis

5681
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: context and situation.

5682
06:45:58,570 --> 06:46:08,390
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: nakikita naman po natin na mayroong ganong real possibility even until 2027 so I just would like to understand from the DBCC family how

5683
06:46:08,390 --> 06:46:16,470
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that sort of context, that macroeconomic context as well as our experience in a

5684
06:46:16,470 --> 06:46:33,330
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: very sizable shortfall between the 2026 target, sorry 2026 estimate and yung actual fed into how you develop the assumptions for the 2027 BSF. So I'm looking at the BSF here

5685
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: so

5686
06:46:37,130 --> 06:46:48,890
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: is it correct that for the 2027 BSF the assumed, sorry the projected total revenues is 5.2 trillion

5687
06:46:48,890 --> 06:46:49,270
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: pesos?

5688
06:46:49,710 --> 06:46:51,310
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Yes Madam Chair, you're correct.

5689
06:46:51,930 --> 06:47:08,370
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Based off your presentation earlier today, the 5.2 trillion pesos, if you compare it to the 4.8 trillion pesos as is the revised target for 2026, represents an 8.3

5690
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: growth. Is that correct?

5691
06:47:12,410 --> 06:47:15,890
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sa ano po? In your presentation earlier today.

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06:47:18,110 --> 06:47:21,990
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Yes Madam Chair, you're correct. 8.3 growth based

5693
06:47:21,990 --> 06:47:23,850
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: on the 4.8 trillion revenues.

5694
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you.

5695
06:47:25,910 --> 06:47:37,190
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So looking at the components of that 5.2 trillion, sorry mahihimay lang ako ng konti. I'm seeing here that there is an assumption that there would be a

5696
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 100, roughly 180 billion increase in the taxes on domestic goods and services, which was the main driver for the shortfall for 2026. So may I know, given that we have

5697
06:47:53,730 --> 06:48:12,450
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: already seen that in 2026, that was the main driver of the shortfall, why is it that in 2000, that when we made the, sorry, when you made the projections for the 5.2 trillion, why did we assume that taxes on domestic goods and services would increase by 180 billion?

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06:48:13,550 --> 06:48:15,170
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'm just doing a

5699
06:48:16,110 --> 06:48:17,410
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: what do you, like a

5700
06:48:18,030 --> 06:48:19,010
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: what's the term?

5701
06:48:21,110 --> 06:48:26,750
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Stress test on the levers that feed into the 5.2 trillion assumption.

5702
06:48:27,830 --> 06:48:29,010
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair,

5703
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: our data shows that for instance for VAT, if you compare the

5704
06:48:34,810 --> 06:48:37,850
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: 2027 projection

5705
06:48:37,850 --> 06:48:44,690
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: today compared to last year, it's around 243 billion lower.

5706
06:48:46,170 --> 06:48:55,490
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: So, in terms of sales taxes, VAT, and licenses, basically the consumption taxes, it's actually 250 billion lower compared

5707
06:48:55,490 --> 06:48:58,550
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: to the BSF 2026 numbers.

5708
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, we can

5709
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: submit this.

5710
06:49:03,530 --> 06:49:05,990
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'd like to refer to page

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 463 of the BSF.

5712
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, in 2026,

5713
06:49:11,270 --> 06:49:20,270
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the taxes of domestic goods and services totaled to in the 2026 program totaled to 1.57 trillion.

5714
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: But in the 2027 projection,

5715
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the

5716
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: assumption built in is that taxes on domestic goods and services would be 1.75 trillion.

5717
06:49:31,030 --> 06:49:34,030
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, that represents a 180 billion increase.

5718
06:49:34,930 --> 06:49:56,910
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, yun lang siguro yung gusto kong i-challenge at i-stress test if we've already seen in 2026 that given the macroeconomic context and situation, may shortfall tayo ng 2026. Why is it that we're assuming that there would be a 180 billion increase? Come 2027?

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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, I have to check your numbers. But based on what I have right now, for instance, for tax revenue, given the lower base in 2026, tax revenue will be short by around 240 billion compared to the BSF 2026

5720
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: submission.

5721
06:50:19,330 --> 06:50:21,290
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: This is for 2027.

5722
06:50:22,640 --> 06:50:32,990
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: And again, based on our data, for instance, VAT is lower by around 243 billion in 2027. This is due to the changes in the macro assumptions plus

5723
06:50:32,990 --> 06:50:35,170
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: the base effect in 2026.

5724
06:50:35,810 --> 06:50:39,090
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Usec. Karlo, sorry, it's table C1 in

5725
06:50:39,090 --> 06:50:40,530
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the BSF page

5726
06:50:40,530 --> 06:50:41,670
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: 463.

5727
06:50:45,240 --> 06:50:52,220
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: It shows the breakdown of the different components that total 5.2 trillion pesos.

5728
06:50:53,580 --> 06:51:10,380
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yun siguro, yun yung malaking difference because I'm trying to see how it would be, be possible to increase total revenues from 4.8 trillion to 5.2 trillion. So that's a 400 billion peso increase. So I'm trying to see where we're

5729
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: assuming the growth would come from.

5730
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Madam Chair, I think this is the year-on-year change.

5731
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: So for instance, for

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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: 2026, it is projected to be at 1.574

5733
06:51:25,160 --> 06:51:25,800
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: trillion.

5734
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: And in 2027, it will grow to 1.751 trillion. This is because you have a nominal growth, nominal GDP growth and other macro assumptions. So there will be

5735
06:51:38,300 --> 06:51:47,600
DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: the usual growth in collection from these items. But if you compare it to the BSF 2026 numbers, it

5736
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: should be lower.

5737
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So despite the situation, despite the updated projections and assumptions, we're still expecting 180 billion increase. In taxes on domestic goods and services?

5738
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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: Yes, Madam Chair, because in terms of nominal GDP that came from the debt-debt assumption, we will still be growing by

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DOF Undersecretary Karlo Fermin S. Adriano: around 9 in 2027.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay. So, sorry, it's like ours. So it's regardless of what

5741
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: happens with all the external volatilities, it's

5742
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: still going to be the same projection.

5743
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I

5744
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: guess

5745
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this is what is being referred to is in nominal terms, right?

5746
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Is it in nominal terms? In nominal

5747
06:52:39,150 --> 06:52:43,590
DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: terms, yeah. The projections and the revenue are in nominal terms. The

5748
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: projection and growth are in real terms.

5749
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Percentage.

5750
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Now, I think that happens because

5751
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: in 2026, we're assuming and the

5752
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: revenue forecast is partly

5753
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: based on the assumption that the economy for 2026 will grow only at 3.5 to 4.5% in real terms.

5754
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: Whereas, we are assuming that for 2027,

5755
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: our economy will grow at

5756
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: 5 to 6 in real terms. In nominal terms,

5757
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: you add another 5 or 6 for inflation to that. So that's

5758
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: more or less like a 10

5759
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DEPDev Secretary Arsenio M. Balisacan: increase.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'm looking at the slide again from earlier today. So if you would, that's actually consistent with what SecRC said. So, if you look at the growth in tax revenues, revenues alone, that's a 9.21 increase between 2027 and 2026. So,

5761
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: okay.

5762
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And then, let's move to another component, which is the privatization revenues.

5763
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, the assumption built into the 2027 projection is that there would be 101.5 billion in

5764
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: privatization revenues. Which, if you would look at it historically, in 2025, the actual revenues only stand at 2

5765
06:54:09,410 --> 06:54:09,830
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: billion.

5766
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: In 2026, 38 billion. Then, in 2027, 101.5 billion. So, again, that is a big

5767
06:54:20,270 --> 06:54:28,570
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: contributor to the 400 billion increase. So, I would just like to ask our DOF family as to where

5768
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that assumption came from.

5769
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We have several privatization efforts that are ongoing,

5770
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: probably the most publicized in the media recently,

5771
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: SEMIRARA.

5772
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: We also have the privatization of the CBK of

5773
06:54:50,760 --> 06:54:53,000
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 36 billion that we

5774
06:54:53,840 --> 06:54:55,560
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: privatized actually in

5775
06:54:55,560 --> 06:54:58,440
DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: previous years, but we will only get the money next year.

5776
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, other than 100, we're going to get 36 from CBK, and then there's the SEMIRARA, as well as other projects that we are looking at.

5777
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, Sekdek, just, wanted to test it because this is the highest it's ever been. This is three times the actual

5778
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: privatization revenues in previous years. So, medyo staggering looking at the assumptions and looking at the historical revenues from privatization. Medyo stand out po talaga yung 101 billion. So, we just wanted to test whether, again, I'm just doing this stress test because we all know what happens when there's a shortfall between the sources of financing as

5779
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: what you call this, as what feeds into the BSF versus the actual. Nakakaroon po ng cash management issues come implementation time. So, I'm just stress testing the different assumptions that feed into the BSF sources of financing.

5780
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sekdek?

5781
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I'm

5782
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: going to say, totally share your sentiment.

5783
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: The pressure is on me when

5784
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: 100 billion was put in the privatization.

5785
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DOF Secretary Frederick D. Go: So, I'm on your side.

5786
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Sec. Deck. Actually, I also want to, because the problem is, iyon po kasi talaga iyong nangyari. When there's, for example, in 2026, a 180 billion shortfall between what was put into the BESF and what is projected to be collected this year, ang hirap po i-bridge noong gap. So, I know it's a joint headache for both the DOF and the DBM on how to manage it from a cash management standpoint. So, I just want to make sure po that as much as possible, we would not have that sort of shortfall in the 2027 budget. So, please bear with me po. Sorry, Sec. I just wanted to do

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: a stress test because I was going through scrutinizing the components of the BSF. So, yun lang po. Again, I also want to make sure na hindi po sasakit ang ulo ni SekDec at saka ni SekKim come 2027 once we implement this budget. But, yeah,

5788
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: actually that actually

5789
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: suffices for me. Thank you for explaining to me that it's tied to the nominal growth, that growth rate of the GDP as projected by the

5790
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: DBCC. So,

5791
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: okay.

5792
06:57:35,540 --> 06:57:46,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Next question. Sorry po. Sek, Kim, just wanted to ask, given that, given our experience in the 2026 budget where there is that huge

5793
06:57:46,420 --> 06:57:53,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: shortfall, again, 180 billion, I keep on repeating that, do we have contingencies built into

5794
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the budget to be able to

5795
06:57:56,920 --> 06:58:03,240
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: respond quickly to extraordinary circumstances? For example, this year, it's

5796
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: the fuel crisis. And meron pang upcoming na sana hindi na naman talaga mangyari sa awan na Diyos. But, if the El Nino does materialize, that would require

5797
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: resources that were not planned for. We do have the NDRM, we have the NDRRMF, we have contingency funds. But,

5798
06:58:24,980 --> 06:58:30,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I guess the contingency funds that were built into the 2026 budget were not,

5799
06:58:30,980 --> 06:58:38,980
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we weren't anticipating this much of an external shock. So, the question is, for the 2020, 27 budget,

5800
06:58:39,960 --> 06:58:43,280
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: do we have those contingencies built into the NEP?

5801
06:58:44,380 --> 06:58:48,820
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: Madam Chair, aside from the lump sums that you have mentioned, the number one for

5802
06:58:48,820 --> 06:59:07,140
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: El Niño, it's something that we are also preparing for as early as now. Under UPLIFT, there are funds coming out from savings generated from NBC 602-603 that are actually intended for DA in preparation for El Niño, at least in anticipation.

5803
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: So, in fact, we have some

5804
06:59:10,240 --> 06:59:20,240
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: allotment releases for them to already start assisting farmers in preparation for the upcoming El Niño. So, that's something that we are

5805
06:59:20,240 --> 06:59:23,440
Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: taking action as early as now.

5806
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: If and when there is, of course, we don't want another oil crisis to happen, what we always say is that, number one,

5807
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: it's the very same line items of expenditures of each of the agencies that we are utilizing right now. It's not an extraordinary new item. So, those items are actually flexible to respond if needed. So, more of baka kailangan lang natin i-frontload, mag-prioritize ng beneficiaries among many others. But, of course, we still have that option na

5808
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: just like what we did under NBC 602-603,

5809
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Acting DBM Secretary Kim Robert C. De Leon: we can also reprioritize during budget execution, probably defer some other activities, if there is a need to prioritize some other interventions to assist those who are most vulnerable or those who need it the most.

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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, Sec. Kim. Sorry, just to pose a question to Ma'am Sharon. Sorry po. And Sec. Deck, so in cases like that, like when I

5811
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: don't know whether—

5812
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Hindi, okay lang. Sige.

5813
07:00:31,620 --> 07:01:16,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sorry. I've been working with the DOF for a long time, in their budget and with all the ways and means measures. So, sige. I won't ask it anymore. But siguro iyon lang, we need to be able to balance lang. In cases where there are shortfalls, di ba, we need to strike the balance between the need to borrow to fill the gap versus just managing it, seeing what we can defer. So, iyon lang naman. I know we have the best economic team to be able to do that. But again, for the BESF—sorry, for the 2027 budget—sana as much as possible, we don't have that huge,

5814
07:01:16,480 --> 07:01:31,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: that big of a shortfall as is the case for 2026. So, I just wanted to make sure that the assumptions are sound and also we have contingencies built in place if that does happen.

5815
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay.

5816
07:01:34,580 --> 07:01:35,180
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yeah.

5817
07:01:35,840 --> 07:01:40,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Wala na yung questions, I guess. I feel like tayo na lang yung

5818
07:01:40,580 --> 07:01:51,020
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I believe that work has been suspended. For six hours already since we, is it, or more. So, again,

5819
07:01:51,240 --> 07:01:51,660
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: ha?

5820
07:01:53,240 --> 07:01:58,420
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Nine hours? Twelve nun ba nag-suspend? So, 9 a.m.?

5821
07:01:58,420 --> 07:02:05,200
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, we've been working for 12 hours after the suspension was announced. So, again,

5822
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: I would like to take

5823
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: this opportunity to express our gratitude to our DBCC family. Of course, to the DEPDev family headed by our Honorable Secretary Arsenio Balisacan; to our DBM family headed by Secretary Kim Robert de Leon; to our DOF family headed by Secretary Frederick Go; to our BSP family headed by Governor Eli Remolona. I really appreciate him taking the time earlier today. Thank you to everyone for staying for 12 more hours after the work suspension was announced. And thank you for answering all the queries of our

5824
07:02:52,120 --> 07:03:07,860
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: distinguished colleagues in the House. That was really helpful in helping us understand the macroeconomic assumptions that fed into the development of the 2027 National Expenditure Program. So, excited na nagpa-pack up na lahat?

5825
07:03:08,880 --> 07:03:11,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Sure kayo wala na kaming tanong?

5826
07:03:11,780 --> 07:03:13,780
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Medyo ang dami pa namin dito.

5827
07:03:15,040 --> 07:03:59,920
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: We would also like to thank, of course, our colleagues in the House for your very valuable questions. It was very helpful for all of the other members for us to be able to understand the questions, the reservations with regard to the budget. And ito pa lang naman pa, panimula pa lang po natin ito. This is the first day of two months of budget deliberations for the House. And we thank our partners in the Executive Branch. We thank our colleagues in the House for making this briefing of the DBCC a very fruitful one for everyone. So, before we end,

5828
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: we need to make a motion to formally terminate the DBCC briefing, kasi pag hindi po natin ginawa ito, babalik pa tayo sa mga susunod na araw. So, with that, may I request Senior Vice Chair Abet Garcia to please give the necessary motion.

5829
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, may

5830
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I move that we terminate the budget briefing of

5831
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: the DBCC.

5832
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I so move, Madam Chair.

5833
07:04:26,880 --> 07:04:27,500
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Any second?

5834
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Committee participant (seconding member): Second.

5835
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: There is—nakangiti na kayo lahat. Hindi pa ako nag-rule. But ayan, there is a motion to terminate the budget briefing of the Development Budget Coordination Committee, or the DBCC. It has been duly seconded. The motion is carried.

5836
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you, po.

5837
07:04:54,320 --> 07:04:57,080
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: One more. Last motion na po. We promise.

5838
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: Madam Chair, I

5839
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: move that we suspend the committee proceedings and resume on August 24,

5840
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Rep. Albert S. Garcia: 2026, 9 a.m.

5841
07:05:08,660 --> 07:05:09,980
Rep. Albert S. Garcia: I so move, Madam Chair.

5842
07:05:10,300 --> 07:05:30,900
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: And just to clarify po, there were committee briefings that were originally scheduled for tomorrow, but in light of the work suspension because of the inclement weather, we will be rescheduling the hearings to next Monday, August 24. So, for the—

5843
07:05:32,700 --> 07:05:38,440
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Yes, so that would be... How many days? Monday pa lang ba ngayon? Hindi ko na alam.

5844
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Monday, yes.

5845
07:05:40,740 --> 07:05:41,300
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Okay.

5846
07:05:41,620 --> 07:05:54,140
Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: So, there is a motion to suspend the committee proceedings and resume... August 24, 2026, 9 o'clock in the morning. It has been duly seconded. The motion is carried.

5847
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Rep. Mikaela Angela B. Suansing: Thank you very much po, and please take care and stay safe on your way home. Medyo marami pa daw pong baha sa mga kalsada. So please do take care on your way home. And again, we truly appreciate your presence here. Thank you. Thank you very much po.